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OF AN INCREASE IN THOSE ON[Town Council Work Session on March 13, 2023.]
THE HIGHER END OF THE PAY SCALE.1.7% HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE OF $28,000.
I'M SO HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU GUYS.
UH, YEAH,
UH, SO DID, UH, AS DID WE, UM, THE, UM, UH, WE GOT THOSE FIGURES, UH, JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
UH, THAT IS, UH, UM, ONE OF THE BEST INCREASES THAT I'VE SEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN WITH THE TOWN.
UM, THE, UH, ADMIN ASSISTANT, UH, DEPUTY CLERK COUNCIL FOR PARTIAL YEAR, $40,545.
UH, THE ADDITIONAL CERTIFIED POLICE OFFICER, $68,910.
UH, CONVERSION OF THE PART-TIME, UH, WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT MAINTENANCE TECH.
UH, THAT'S, UM, WHAT THAT $52,000 REPRESENTS IS, IS THE INCREASE, UH, FROM WHAT WE'VE BUDGETED PREVIOUSLY FOR THE PART-TIME POSITION.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY, I THINK 70, $80,000, ALL COMFORT WITH, UH, INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING.
EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION, $4,000 HOLIDAY LUNCHEON, $4,000, AND THEN EMPLOYEE WELLNESS PROGRAM FOR 7,500.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS THERE? ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT BEFORE I MOVE ON? CAN YOU EXPAND ON, UH, THE 1% COLA? UH, LET ME, IT'S, UH, COST LIVING.
I, I, I JUST WANTED TO, SO, INFLATION LAST YEAR, WHERE, WHERE YOU CAME, WHERE YOU CAME UP? SO, INFLATION LAST YEAR WAS 6%, UH, FOR THE CPR.
UM, THE, UM, WE DID HAVE A COMPENSATION STUDY DONE, OBVIOUSLY, UH, PARTIAL WAY THROUGH THE YEAR.
UH, SO BETWEEN THE COLA AND THE AVERAGE MAYOR, IT KIND OF MEETS IT IN THE MIDDLE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, HALF THE YEAR AND 6% FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR, UM, IS THE BASIS.
UM, SO I THINK, UH, BETWEEN THE COLA AND THE AVERAGE MAYOR, IT GETS US HALFWAY THERE.
PLUS, PLUS ALSO INCORPORATING THE COMPENSATION STUDY.
UM, THAT'S GONNA ALSO, UH, INCREASE PEOPLE'S SALARIES AS WELL, SO, AND I, AND DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY ARE.
UM, AND MR. WALTZ HAS A COMPENSATION STUDY WITH ANYBODY LIKE TO MEET WITH THEM.
BUT YEAH, THE, UH, AND THE BIGGEST THING IS, IS WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE OUR PAY SCALE.
UM, NOT MOVING OUR PAY SCALE, YOU KNOW, CREATES PROBLEM FOR US.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, UH, TO THE POINT OF GETTING BELOW MINIMUM WAGE AND MINIMUM WAGE WAS INCREASING.
UM, THE LAST PAY STUDY THAT WE HAD DONE, RECOMMENDED THAT WE, UM, INCREASE THE PAY SCALE, UM, ACCORDING TO A CERTAIN CPI EVERY YEAR.
UM, CPI BEING 6%, UM, YOU KNOW, HALFWAY DONE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WERE MOUNTED TO IT.
WHEN WAS THE LAST COMPENSATION SETTING? 20 16, 20 17.
AND WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T ADJUSTED THE PAY SCALE SINCE THEN.
AND SO THIS COLA IS KIND OF OF AN INITIATIVE TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD SO WE DON'T GET BACK IN A PINCH FIVE YEARS LATER.
AND EVEN THOUGH THE COMPENSATION STUDY WAS DONE IN 2016, 2017, IT WAS PHASED IN OVER TIME.
AND SO I BELIEVE IT WASN'T UNTIL 2020 CORRECT.
THAT THE ACTUAL, UH, THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION STUDY WAS EACH OF THOSE LEVELS, THE REC WAS IMPLEMENTED.
SO WE'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME WE WERE, BY THE TIME WE GOT THE INFORMATION AND INCORPORATED IT, YEAH.
IT'S NOW, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS LATER WE NEED TO DO A NEW COMPENSATION STUDY.
THE 1.7% HEALTH INSURANCES THAT'S WITH THE CURRENT, IS THAT THROUGH? OH, IT'S, UH, WITH A LOCAL CHOICE.
OUR CURRENT PROVIDER IS ANTHEM.
UM, IT'S THROUGH MOST OF, UH, THE STATE ORGANIZATIONS AND LOCALITIES USING IN VIRGINIA, WHICH I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH.
I KNOW WHERE'RE ALL COMING FROM YEAH, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE CUZ UH, WE, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM ALSO OFFERS LOCAL CHOICE.
I BELIEVE A LOT OF PLACES OFFER LOCAL CHOICE, WHICH IS ANTHEM.
AND SO I KNOW THAT THERE PROBABLY IS A CONCERN FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS ANTHEM, UH, READING WHAT VALLEY HEALTH HAS BEEN SAYING.
THAT COULD POSSIBLY MEAN THAT IF YOU USE VALLEY HEALTH, UM, UH, PHYSICIANS, THAT WE COULD, IT COULD BE OUT OF NETWORK.
SO, UH, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT WE HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT IT'S MESSED UP.
IF WE NEED TO REVIEW OTHER OPTIONS, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
WE WERE IN THIS POSITION A FEW YEARS AGO AND WE DID COME UP WITH OPTIONS TO, UH, SUPPORT OUR EMPLOYEES.
UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR, GENERAL HIGHLIGHT GENERAL FUND HIGHLIGHTS.
UM, SO WE HAVE THE DRUG COURT IN THERE FOR $50,000.
THAT'S FOR THE, UH, GENERAL TELEPHONE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE HERE WITH THE TOWN.
UH, POLICE GIS MAINTENANCE, 24, UH, THOUSAND
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300.AND THEN, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS, OH, WE HAVE THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, UH, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THERE, $1,500, UH, FIREWORKS, 12,000, UH, FESTIVAL LEAVES 4,000, HALLOWEEN 4,000.
UM, AND THEN MOVING DOWN TO TOURISM, UH, THE $233,000 DOES REPRESENT THE AMOUNT OF THE, UH, PREVIOUS MOU THAT WE HAD HAD.
UM, UH, THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET IS ONE LUMP SUM RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN ADJUST THAT AS, AS NECESSARY.
WHEN I SAY ADJUST IT, WE CAN TRANSFER FUNDS UP TO SALARIES, TO ADVERTISING, HOWEVER WE SEE FIT.
UM, BUT THAT IS JUST A, UH, A PLACEHOLDER RIGHT NOW FOR THAT.
WITH ALL THAT'S BEEN GOING ON.
WE'VE GOT 4,000 FOR FESTIVAL LEAGUES.
WE'VE GOT 4,000 FOR HALLOWEEN EVENT.
WHILE WE ONLY HAVE 1500 FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
WE GOT SPONSORS FROM THAT, DON'T WE?
PRETTY MUCH COVER EVERYTHING ELSE.
WELL, YEAH, WELL, THE FOUNDATION DID A BUNCH FOUNDATION.
I JUST LEFT THE FOUNDATION, SO I KNOW.
I THINK THE OTHER YEAR WE PUT OUT LIKE 20 SOME HUNDRED DOLLARS.
15 HUNDREDS ABOUT WHAT IT COST US LAST YEAR ALL IN.
SO YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING.
WE NEED TO, NO, CAUSE WE SPENT 2,800 FOR THE FOUNDATION.
SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO UP THAT BUDGET A LITTLE BIT AND WE HAVE SOME MONEY IN TOURISM.
WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, PUT SOME MORE MON FUNDS TO IT IF NEED BE.
UM, UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH.
WELL, AND ANOTHER PROBLEM, SAY ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, I DIDN'T THINK OF THIS WHEN I TALKED TO YOU EARLIER TODAY, SORRY, MET WITH BJ ABOUT BUDGET QUESTIONS.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE FESTIVAL LEAVES AND FIREWORKS, POSSIBLY BOTH OF THOSE, THOSE, THOSE ITEMS COULD, UH, COULD POSSIBLY FALL UNDER TOURISM AS WELL.
FESTIVAL LEAVE, ALL, ALL OF THESE ITEMS COULD FALL UNDER TOURISM.
SO FOR RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE UNDER THE SPECIAL DENSE LINE ITEM.
BUT IF, YOU KNOW, AS TIME GOES ON, IF WE DECIDE THAT THOSE ARE THINGS, THEN WE CAN, UH, WE CAN MOVE THOSE.
WE, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WE CAN ALLOCATE TOWARDS THE END.
WELL, ALSO WE CAN POTENTIALLY, LAST YEAR WE TALKED ABOUT FOR FIREWORKS, GETTING OUTSIDE SPONSORS TO GO IN ON THAT.
SO WE COULD REALLOCATE, DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT IF NEED BE FROM FIREWORKS TO NATIONAL.
THERE, THERE'S WAYS WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN FOR ADDITIONAL.
I, I ASKED, AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT YOUR ANSWER.
UM, SOME OF THOSE COSTS ARE RELATED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, UM, WITH CROWD CONTROL.
THE, UH, SO YEAH, THE POLICING, THE CLEANUP, UM, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY, UH, THE EXPENSES ARE, ARE INCURRED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR BY OUR SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT.
UM, UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE WINE ITEM FOR THOSE.
UM, AND IT'S NOT IN, IT'S NOT INCURRED TO TOURISM.
IT ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS.
UM, SOME OF THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE MORE HEFTY THAN OTHERS.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO THE WINE FESTIVAL AND, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE FOR THE FESTIVAL LEAVES.
UM, AND I KNOW WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF WORK ON THAT YEARS AGO.
I DON'T ACCEPT HOW MUCH SERVE ALCOHOL, BUT, BUT THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT BEHIND THE SCENES, I GUESS DOWN HERE.
WELL, SOMEBODY JUST MENTIONED WHY THE TROLLEY WASN'T UNDER TOURISM AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I CAME ON COUNCIL.
BUT TROLLEY, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION BECAUSE THAT'S PARTIALLY, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO FALL UNDER TOURISM.
DIDN'T WE MOVE IT OUT OF TOURISM LAST YEAR? I'M HAPPY TO PUT IT WHEREVER WE YEAH.
I THINK SEVERAL OF THESE WERE MOVED OUT OF TOURISM.
I THINK WE MOVED THE TROLL OUT OF TOURISM.
WE'LL NEED THAT READS, WE SHOW IT UNDER, UNDER A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE BOTTOM LINE OBVIOUSLY.
TROLLEY WAS DEFINITELY A HOT TOPIC LAST YEAR BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT FELT LIKE, WELL, YOU'RE SAYING TROLLEY, THAT'S NOT REALLY TOURISM BECAUSE THE TROLLEY REALLY SERVICES MORE OF OUR CITIZENS THAN A BIG T OR A LITTLE T.
BUT BJ'S AROUND, I THINK, I THINK IN THE END IT'S JUST WHEREVER IT IS, IT'S STILL 47,000 TOP MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY.
THEY PULLED IT OUT TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY.
THE HIKERS ARE USING IT NOW, RIGHT? LIKE THEY, I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT MAYBE, BUT IF THEY ARE, THEN MAYBE LIMITED AND, AND IT'S ALSO LIMITED IN TIME.
SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THIS STUFF IN TERMS OF WHAT BUCKET WE PUT IT IN.
AND I MEAN, WE CAN, IT CAN CERTAINLY GO UNDER A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT CHARLIE, $47,295 AND THAT IS THE TOWN'S PORTION.
GENERAL FUND CAPITAL AND DEBT EXPENDITURES.
UH, SO WE HAVE THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING.
WHEN I BUILT THE BUDGET, I PUT IN $230,635,000.
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UM, THAT IS, UH, THE, THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE ON THAT IS GOING TO BE AROUND $188,000.UM, THE, UH, THE REMAINDER OF THAT, UM, I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO KEEP IT IN THERE SO WE CAN USE IT FOR THE CLOSING COSTS AND BOND COUNCIL FEES.
UM, THOSE TWO ITEMS ARE APPROXIMATELY $30,000 THEMSELVES.
BODY-WORN CAMERA LEASE FOR 32,440.
WE'RE ON YEAR FOUR FIVE OF THE LEASE.
I KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S ALREADY LOOKING IN TO SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE NEXT STEPS ON THAT.
UM, I'LL STOP YOU THERE BECAUSE TRIED THE, UM, BODY-WORN CAMERA GRANTS THAT HAVE COME OUT.
CHIEF, SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? GRANTS I TRIED.
THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS FOR THE GRANTS THAT HAVE COME OUT.
THE LATEST ONE THAT JUST CAME OUT IS THE ARPA GRANT AND BODY-WORN CAMERAS IS NOT PERMITTED TO BE PURCHASED ON IT.
YEAH, THAT ONE CAME OUT AFTER WE'D ALREADY PURCHASED THE OH, OKAY.
UM, SO THOSE ARE INDEED LEASE.
WE HAVE THE RADIO SYSTEM FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE ON YEAR FIVE OF 10 FOR THAT.
UH, THE CONSTRUCTION DEBT SERVICE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THAT DEBT SERVICE, UH, 358,700 HOURS, UH, ANNUALLY.
UH, THAT NOTE DOES END IN 2031.
UH, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE APPROXIMATELY, UH, IS IT 6 MILLION TO REFINANCE IN 2031? UH, JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, BACK OF OUR HEAD.
UH, REPAYMENT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACCESS GRANT, UH, $216,000 $665, UH, YEAR TWO OF THREE.
UH, THAT IS FOR THE WEST MAIN CONNECTOR.
UH, SO WHEN WE, UH, BUILT THE WEST MAIN CONNECTOR, THERE WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE A, UH, HUGE CAPITAL OUTLAY, UM, UH, FROM A DEVELOPER THERE.
UM, AND THE, UH, GRANT WAS PROVIDED TO US BASED ON THAT, UH, CAPITAL OUTLAY.
CAPITAL OUTLAY IS, DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE TAKING PLACE.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO REPAY THAT $650,000 GRANT HERE IN 20 25, 20 26.
SO WE ARE, UH, PREPARING TO REPAY THAT, UH, ACCESS GRANT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.
UM, UH, CAUSE I HAD ASKED YOUJ TO MAKE SURE THAT HE EXPLAINED THAT WHEN, UM, MORE IN DETAIL BECAUSE I, I'M NOT SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD WHAT, WHAT THAT INVOLVED.
SO WHEN THERE, THERE WAS THE PLAN THAT, UM, A T FEDERAL WAS GONNA COME AND, AND AS HE CALLED A CAPITAL OUTLAY, UH, THAT GRANT WAS RECEIVED WITH THE IDEA THAT THE WEST MAIN CONNECTOR AND WE WOULD'VE NOT PAID BACK.
WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN THE $650,000 TOWARDS THAT.
BUT BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, WE NOW HAVE TO PAY IT BACK.
AND SO THAT'S AN EXPENSE TO THE TOWN, $650,000.
SO, UM, SO LAST YEAR WE STARTED LIKE PUTTING MONEY WHEN WE REALIZED THAT THERE'S MAY NOT THERE LIKELY SLIM COULD HAVE BEEN HAPPENING IS SLIM THAT WE STARTED PUTTING THE MONEY BACK SO THAT IN THREE YEARS WE WEREN'T TRYING TO COME UP WITH $650,000 IN A BUDGET.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
AND I CERTAINLY WANNA MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC WAS AWARE, UM, THAT THE TOWN'S, UM, THE TOWN'S WE'RE JUST ANTICIPATING TO REPAY THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, IF, UM, IF WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THE GRANT FUNDS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REALLOCATE IT.
BUT WE ARE PREPARING, YEAH, SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SPENDS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CAPITAL OUTLAID BEFORE THAT, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO KEEP IT.
NEXT ON LIST IS, UH, WARREN COUNTY V BOND, $148,000.
UH, THAT IS FOR, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION OF LEECH FIRM PARKWAY, UH, THAT WE FINANCED.
UM, THERE'S STILL SOME, UH, CONSTRUCTION EXPENSES THAT WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.
BUT THAT IS FOR THE, UH, THE BOND THAT, UH, THE TOWN ENDS OWES TO WARREN COUNTY STREET SWEEPER LOAN.
UH, $26,685, UH, YEAR SIX OF 10.
MOVING ON HERE, ELECTRIC EXPENDITURE HIGHLIGHTS.
UH, SO WE HAVE, UH, $50,000 ASSOCIATED WITH THE RATE STUDY, UH, FOR OUR ELECTRIC.
UH, LAST ONE WE DID WAS 2018, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO WE'RE COMING UP ON THE FIVE YEAR MARK WHERE WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE DONE.
UH, HAPPY CREEK SUBSTATION EXPANSION, $200,000, YEAR TWO OF FIVE MANASSAS SUBSTATION, UH, $200,000 A YEAR.
TWO OF THREE TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION FOR $200,000.
AND THE AUTOMATED METER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR 300,000.
UH, THE AUTOMATED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE IS SOME SEED MONEY.
UH, WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW MUCH THAT'S GONNA COST US AT THIS POINT.
WE'RE STEADILY PUTTING MONEY ASIDE SO WE CAN TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT LATER DOWN THE ROAD.
THAT ONE IS THE ONE THAT CARRIE CAME AND TALKED TO US ABOUT WHERE WE COULD POS RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONE WHERE WE COULD, COULD POSSIBLY GET SOME GRANT MONEY.
UM, WE'D STILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME OF OUR OWN MONEY MM-HMM.
BUT, BUT, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IS DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S ALSO GONNA SAVE THE TOWN A LOT OF MONEY,
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BUT HAVE AN AUTOMATED INFRASTRUCTURE.UH, SO WE HAVE CLEARWELL, UH, ONE AND TWO REPAIRS OF $50,000.
THAT'S ACTUALLY TO HOPEFULLY FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO REPAIR THESE THINGS, UH, AND GET INTO IT.
HENDRICK TRAVELING SCREEN REPLACEMENTS, UH, $75,000 A YEAR.
1 0 2 REPAIR RAW WATER SETTLING BASIN, $75,000 A YEAR, 1 0 2.
UH, SOME FLOW METERS AT GUARD HILL PUMP STATION, $25,000.
UH, FOUR H WATER STATION UPGRADES.
UH, THE PLANT SECURITY UPGRADES FOR $25,000.
UH, REPLACEMENT OF JAMESTOWN, UH, PRESSURE REDUCING VAULT.
I THINK THAT'S THE LAST ONE, RIGHT, ROBBIE? OKAY.
WE'VE BEEN REPLACING, UH, THE PRB VAULTER FOR A COUP A FEW YEARS.
AND I THINK THIS IS OUR LAST ONE.
SORRY, I GOT THAT ON THERE TWICE.
DOES THAT MEAN WE JUST FOUND $80,000
UH, THIS, UH, GOES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PRIMARY PAVING PLAN.
UH, SO WE KIND OF REALLY NEED TO GET THIS DONE.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE TEARING UP OUR PAVING AFTER WE DO IT.
UM, BUT THAT IS A, UH, A RATHER EXTENSIVE PROJECT.
ZERO EXPENDITURE HIGHLIGHTS, UM, ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AT $25,000.
SO WHAT THAT IS, IT'S A, UM, UH, TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE COME IN HERE AND, UH, KIND OF TELL US WHEN WE NEED TO BE REPLACING OUR, UH, ASSETS FOR, UH, SEWER HERE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DONE IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR SOME GRANTS.
UH, THE CENTRIFUGE BEING ONE OF THE BIGGER GRANTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, WE HAVE APPLIED FOR.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS, IS TO HAVE THAT ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
UH, NUMBER TWO FINAL CLARIFIER DRIVE, $90,000 IS TO DO SOME REPAIRS ON THAT.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE CLARIFIER THAT'S DOWN.
UH, WE HAVE FOUR CLARIFIERS TOTAL.
UM, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THOSE UP.
REPLACE THE MONITORING CABINET FOR $11,300.
AND THEN I, I ABATEMENT $200,000.
THIS I, I ABATEMENT, UH, IS, UH, OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS, UM, ROUGHLY 9 MILLION PROJECT.
UH, THIS IS, UH, KIND OF WORK THAT WE WOULD DO NORMAL ROUTINE WORK.
UM, IT'S OUTSIDE OF, UH, THIS, UH, THE MANHOLE REHABILITATION THAT WE'VE DONE.
THE, UM, WHAT ELSE HAVE WE DONE? MANHOLE REHABILITATION, THE OPEN CUT LININGS, THE OPEN CUT.
UM, HOPEFULLY ALL OF THAT WILL GET US OUT OF THE CONSENT ORDER.
BUT, UH, THIS WILL HELP US KEEP ON TASK FOR NOT GETTING BACK IN THE SITUATION.
DEBT SERVICE, WATER AND SEWER.
SO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN UPGRADE, UH, WE PAY 1.9 MILLION ON THAT ANNUALLY.
AND WE HAVE TWO WATER PLAN UPGRADES, UH, BONDS THAT WE, UH, HAVE.
THE $767,000 ONE ENDS IN 2026, UM, WHICH IS COMING UP HERE IN JUST A COUPLE YEARS.
AND THEN, UH, $204,000 ENDS IN 2034.
SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE BUDGET, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY VEHICLES OR EQUIPMENT BEING REPLACED IN THE CURRENT BUDGET.
UM, WE HAVE BALANCED THIS BUDGET BASED ON OUR CURRENT RATES, UH, FOR SOLID WASTE.
UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS WE'RE GONNA BE SOLICITING A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS TO HAVE A FIRM COME IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT OVERALL SOLID WASTE.
UM, SEE WHAT, UM, WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS THEY HAVE AND WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR SOLID WASTE.
UH, REALLY GET SOMEONE TO HAND HERE AND DO A, A DEEP DIVE FOR US.
UM, AFTER WE GET THOSE, UH, WE, THE CONSULTANTS, UH, RESULTS WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL, UH, WITH PROPOSED OPTIONS AS WELL AS, UH, ANY KIND OF RATE INCREASES AND APPLICABLE BUDGET AMENDMENTS.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS OUR IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN AT THIS POINT.
ANY QUESTIONS? OH, I'M EXCITED FOR THE NEXT FIVE
SO WE HAVE A BRIDGE INSPECTION LOAD RATINGS OF $23,000.
THAT'S INCLUDED, UM, PROSPECT.
THIS IS THE PRIMARY PAVING PLAN THAT BEAT, UH, KIND OF REQUIRES US TO DO, UH, COMMERCE AVENUE.
WE'RE DOING FROM SECOND TO SIXTH STREET, $164,000 COMMERCE AVENUE, SIXTH STREET TO NORTH ROYAL, $136,000.
AND THEN, UM, THE ONE THAT GOES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WATER LINE UPGRADE NORTH ROYAL AVENUE, UH, FROM COMMERCE TO SIXTH STREET OF 134,000.
UM, ALSO HAVE SHANDOO AVENUE STREET LIGHTS.
UH, WE NEED ADDITIONAL PROJECT FUNDING FOR THAT.
UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE PUT SOME MONEY AWAY FOR THE SHANDOO AVENUE STREET LIGHTS TO HAVE THAT DONE.
UM, BEAT OUT REVENUE SHARING, UH, IS GOING TO PAY 50% OF THE PROJECT.
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INCREASED SINCE A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE STARTED THIS.UH, KINDA WANTED TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS FOR THE, UH, EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE.
UM, SO LOOKING FOR ANOTHER HUNDRED $60,000 ON THAT PROSPECT STREET BRIDGE REHABILITATION.
AGAIN, THAT PROJECT HAS INCREASED IN COST AS WELL.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS THING DONE.
WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, GET THIS INTO SOME REVENUE SHARING IF POSSIBLE, TRYING TO, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO TRY TO GET THESE THINGS MOVING FORWARD.
UM, BUT, UH, THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP AND WE'RE TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP AT THIS POINT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? SECONDARY ROADS? NO MONEY IN THERE SHORT.
UM, YEAH, IT'S REALLY ROUGH STREETS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, DID THE BEST WE COULD TO GET THIS THING BALANCED, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF HIT THE CHOPPING BLOCK.
UM, HOPING I'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS.
WELL, I AM GONNA BE COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS, BUT THAT WAY, UM, HERE PROBABLY, UM, IN MAY, UH, REQUESTING A BUDGET AMENDMENT, UH, TO BRING IN SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE.
MAYBE PUTTING IT TO THAT, UH, MAYBE PUTTING SOME MONEY TO TOWARD PAVING.
I'M HOPING FOR AROUND THE HALF A MILLION DOLLAR MARK.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, HOW FAR WOULD THAT GET US IN PAVING? I DON'T KNOW.
AND JUST, I MEAN, JUST A LITTLE, WASN'T BEING HONEST, A LITTLE, UH, DEFENSE HERE IS THAT WE DID HAVE BUDGETED A MILLION DOLLARS LAST YEAR, BUT THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE, UM, WHEN THE STATE CAME BACK AND SAID, THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET THIS MONEY NOW IS IF YOU PUT UP THIS MUCH.
SO WE LITERALLY HAD TO TAKE, YEAH, WE HAD TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TO BE ABLE TO, CUZ IT WAS LIKE, IF WE DIDN'T DO IT, WE WOULD LITERALLY BE LOSING MONEY.
LIKE WE'D BE GIVING AWAY MONEY THAT THEY WERE GONNA GIVE US TO DO IT.
SO WE TOOK MONEY AWAY FROM PAVING, WHICH WAS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO DO, BUT IT WAS KIND OF LIKE ARMS BEHIND BACK.
WE HAD TO DO WHAT YOU HAD TO DO.
AND SO, YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY IT.
AND WE JUST HAD A VERY GOOD MEETING WITH THE ENGINEERS FOR THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE, JUST THE OTHER OH, GOOD.
THAT PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD, UM, AS ANTICIPATED AT THIS POINT.
SO, UM, WELL, AND ALONG THE SAME LINES WE'RE, I MEAN THIS IS HUGE STRIDES, THIS COUNCIL AND THE LAST COUNCIL THAT MADE THE BUDGET FOR LAST YEAR AND EVEN THE YEAR BEFORE THAT, BEFORE I WAS ON THERE.
I MEAN THERE, THIS IS A LOT OF CATCH UP FROM YEARS OF NEGLECT AND PATCHWORK BEING DONE.
SO THIS IS SIGNIFICANT IN MY OPINION.
SO, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT, I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE MONEY INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW FOR SECONDARY PAVING.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF REVENUES FOR NEXT YEAR COME BACK GREATER THAN ANTICIPATED, I WOULD CERTAINLY DO IT AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, BJ, THIS IS ALSO KIND OF A REFLECTION.
ALL THESE STREETS AND THE SECONDARIES NOT BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS BE ADDRESSED, AT LEAST AT THIS TIME AS WE SEE A LOT MORE FOLKS COMING INTO TOWN AND WE SEE A LOT MORE DAILY, UH, WEAR AND TEAR ON OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COMMUNITY STREETS STRESS ON ALL OF THIS.
SO THIS IS FOR MY FIRST BUDGET REVIEW MEETING.
THIS HAS REALLY GIVEN ME GOOD INSIGHTS AS IT IS TODAY.
BUT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD, AREN'T WE? YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING
WOULDN'T THAT BE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE MOVING ON HERE? SO, VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.
UM, SO YOU'LL NEED NOTICE A KIND OF A PATTERN HERE.
UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, UH, KIND OF ANY OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAD ALREADY STARTED ACCRUING FOR, WE'RE TRYING TO CONTINUE WITH THAT.
UM, THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING OR FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING, I'M SORRY, UH, VEHICLE UP THERE.
UH, THIS IS FOR THE SHOP, UH, YOU KNOW, REPLACING, YOU KNOW, YEAR TWO OF THREE FOR $25,000 HORTICULTURE, UH, REPLACEMENTS, UH, UH, WITH THE CREW CAB DUMP TRUCK YEAR TWO OF THREE.
AND THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY NEW VEHICLES ON HERE.
UM, UH, THE, UH, REPLACED THREE OF THEIR, UH, FORD EXPLORERS.
ALL THOSE FORD EXPLORERS DO HAVE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES.
AND WITH THAT I WILL ADD WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP.
YES, WE ARE INDEED PLAYING CATCH UP.
UM, LIKE I BELIEVE CHIEF SAID JUST NOT TOO LONG AGO, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS SINCE WE REPLACED ANY VEHICLES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF AFTER THIS THEY'LL BE STAGGERED AS JOE MENTIONED.
WELL, THIS IS KIND OF THE STAGGERING AS THREE.
I MEAN, UNLESS WE LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS, WHICH WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING DOWN THOSE ROAD.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY FOR MORE OF THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE TOO.
SO WE'RE SAYING THEY'RE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES, BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY CITIZENS THAT ARE SAYING, WELL, MY CAR HAS MORE THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES
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SO JUST LETTING THEM KNOW THAT IF IT READS THERE'S A CERTAIN MILES AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE VEHICLES.UH, WE DO SELL 'EM IN A ONE LINE AUCTION.
UM, AND, UM, UM, YEAH, WE DID, WE JUST SOLD THE REFUGE TRUCKS AND GOT A A, A GOOD AMOUNT FOR THOSE.
AND YEAH, WE WILL DO THE SAME WITH THE, WELL, I TAKE THAT BACK.
UH, WE WILL LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE IN THE FLEET THAT'S MAYBE IF THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT BETTER CONDITION THAN SOMETHING ELSE IN THE FLEET, WE'LL REPLACE THAT.
AND SO WE'LL SELL THE, SELL THE HOLDERS ONE OR THE ONE IN, IN THE ROUGHEST SHAPE.
AND THAT GOES BACK ON THE LINE ITEM WITHIN, UH, OUR VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT.
THE REVENUE, THE REVENUE COMES INTO THE LINE, UH, SEPARATE LINE ITEM.
UM, IT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND OR INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND IT DOESN'T GO SPECIFICALLY BACK TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE IT MAY BE THAT WE END UP SELLING A VEHICLE FROM PLANNING MAYBE OR, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE PURCHASING VEHICLE OR, UM, AND THEY'RE TAKING ON ONE OF THE POLICE VEHICLES.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, YES.
THE, THE, THE FORS FLOORS HAVE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND ROAD MILES ON MM-HMM.
BUT THERE'S PROBABLY 250,000 MOTOR MILES ON 'EM CHIEF OR NO? OH YEAH.
THEY'RE CONSTANTLY ON THE, THEY EQUATE, THEY EQUATE AN HOUR OF ILE FOR EVERY HOUR OF BOTTLE TIMES THE EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT 30 MILES OF DRIVING, SO.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE PARKING THEM OVER THE NIGHT.
AND IT'S NOT MEL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, WE'LL LIKE THAT.
AND JUST ANOTHER ADDITION TO THIS SAME CONVERSATION.
AGAIN, I KNOW I'M NOT CONVINCING ANY OF YOU ALL, YOU'RE ALREADY CONVINCED, I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS MORE FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL, BUT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING BEFORE, I KNOW LAST YEAR THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT, THAT HOW MUCH OUR, LIKE DON AND HIS STAFF KEEP THESE VEHICLES MM-HMM.
NOT NECESSARILY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE OTHER VEHICLES TO STAY ON THE ROAD AS LONG AS THEY ARE, BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING WELL TAKEN CARE OF.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT, YOU INVEST IN THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT'S HELPING YOU WITH THIS.
I, I WANT TO THROW, UH, JUST A, A SHOUT OUT TO THOSE GUYS THAT MAINTAIN THESE VEHICLES.
POLICE DEPART, WHETHER IT BE SOME OF THESE BIG HYDRAULIC PIECES THAT, UH, WE RUN FOR GARBAGE.
THAT SAME GROUP OF GUYS WORKS ON A, UH, ON A FORD EXPLORER THAT WORKS ON THAT HUGE HYDRAULIC, KNOWS THOSE SYSTEMS AND IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING TO SEE, TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THOSE GUYS.
CUZ THEY'RE INCREDIBLY VALUABLE TO HAVE THAT BREADTH OF, OF, UH, SKILL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPENSATION, YEAH.
IT GOES BACK TO OUR COMPENSATION STUDY.
YOU'VE BEEN DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB MAINTAINING OUR FLEET.
UM, UH, WHAT ARE SEWER LINE MAINTENANCE? UH, TRENCH BOXES.
SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE BUDGET, THERE'LL BE $15,000 UNDER THE SEWER LINE MAINTENANCE.
$15,000 UNDER WATER LINE MAINTENANCE.
THEY KIND OF SPLIT, UH, THOSE COSTS UP.
UM, THE, UH, THE UTILITY VAN FOR THEM, $50,000 A YEAR, TWO OF TWO.
UM, A DUMP TRUCK FOR HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE.
UH, $80,000 A YEAR, TWO OF TWO.
UH, THE ASPHALT ROLLER DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT THERE.
UH, $30,000 A YEAR, FIVE OF FIVE.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS ON THESE.
SAME WITH THE RUBBER TIRE LOADER.
UM, SNOW PLOWER REPLACEMENTS, YEAR TWO OF FOUR FOR $20,000.
AND THEN A SALT BRINE MIXER THAT IS, UH, ACTUALLY A NEW EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR US, THE SALT BRINE MIXER.
BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, THAT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I THINK, UH, THEIR VEHICLES, EVERYTHING ELSE, WE'VE, UH, BEEN SETTING THE MONEY ASIDE FOR A FEW YEARS TRYING TO GET THESE THINGS, UH, PAID FOR.
ANY QUESTIONS HERE? SO BACK TO OUR NEXT STEPS, JUST WANTED TO REITERATE, UH, WITH THE TAX RATES, I'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNSEL WITH MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AND HOW WE CAN HANDLE IT, UH, WITH THE ASSESSMENTS.
UM, AGAIN, THIS BUDGET'S BUILT ON EQUALIZATION OF TAX RATES.
UM, I'LL COME WITH, UH, THE INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHAT 1 CENT WILL EQUAL.
IF WE WANTED TO DO SOME OTHER PROJECTS, UM, APRIL 5TH, WE WOULD HAVE OUR ADVERTISEMENT FOR ANNUAL APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE, APRIL 10TH, A WORK SESSION, UH, TO DISCUSS ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT, UH, MAY BE HAD.
AND THEN APRIL 24TH, UH, WOULD BE VOTING, UH, OR THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COUNSEL WOULD VOTE ON THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE AS WELL AS THE CIVIL ORDINANCE, JUST FOR COUNSEL'S KNOWLEDGE.
SO APRIL 5TH, WE HAVE TO KNOW BY THEN WHAT WE'RE ADVERTISING FOR, CORRECT? FOR THE APPROPRIATION.
WE JUST CAN'T GO UP, RIGHT? WELL, THAT YOU'RE NO, BY THEN THAT, THAT'S THE TAX RATE ORDINANCE HERE.
UM, TAX RATES, YOU CAN GO DOWN THE, UH, ANNUAL APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE.
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WITHOUT, UM, UH, CHANGING.UM, BUT THE, UH, THE, THE REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ORDINANCES, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, WHERE YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T GO UP, YOU CAN COME DOWN.
UM, AND, AND WHEN DO WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE THOSE BY? I WANNA SAY IT WASN'T IN MARCH.
THE, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN THE, UM,
UM, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE VOTING ON IT, UH, UH, HERE AT THE END OF MARCH.
UH, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE DELAY IN THE ASSESSMENTS HAS CAUSED SOME HICCUPS.
UM, THE, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DELAY THE DUE DATE OF TAXES OR PENALTY INTEREST AGAIN.
AND THAT'S WHAT I REALLY NEED TO DIG INTO AND GET, UH, UH, GET SOME MORE INFORMATION, SEE WHERE WE STAND.
AND, UM, I MAY REQUEST, UH, IF WE CAN DO A WORK SESSION AFTER, BEFORE OR AFTER THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, BUT I'LL BE GETTING BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.
I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO, TO JOE BJ, THE STAFF DEPARTMENT HEADS, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU ALL HAVE PRESENTED US A BUDGET THAT'S PRETTY STABLE.
AND I KNOW THAT WASN'T EASY FOR ANYBODY AND, AND ALSO MADE SURE THAT WE INCORPORATED, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE COMPENSATION STUDY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL TO, CUZ I KNOW THIS IS A LOT, UH, TO A LOT ON YOUR ALL'S PLATE.
AND, AND LIKE I SAID, DEPARTMENT HEADS TOO.
MY HAT'S OFF TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
THEY COME WITH A, UH, UM, BUDGET.
THEY'RE VERY UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE PRESS WITH.
BUT, UM, WE, I THINK WE'VE DONE A, A GOOD JOB BRINGING A BALANCED BUDGET TO YOU GUYS.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT A LOT OF BELLS AND WHISTLES IN HERE WHATSOEVER, UM, IN MY OPINION.
JUST SECOND THAT YOUR RECORD INFLATION, IT'S REALLY NICE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT COUNSEL AND OUR CONSTITUENTS WITH A BALANCED BUDGET BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE NEED IS ADDED EXPENSES OR MORE TAXES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GOOD JOB.
UM, FEEL FREE TO SHOOT ME AN EMAIL IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS WITH.
UM, I CAN TRY TO BE PREPARED FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A QUESTION, BUT, UH, I DO.
WHEN WAS THE, WHEN WAS THE LAST, UH, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE TRIFECTA STUDY DONE FOR WATER, TRANSPORTATION FOR TRANSPORTATION.
YEAH, I HAVE, THERE WAS ONE DONE IN 2000.
AND, UH, UH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BRUCE.
AND I'M, I'M SITTING HERE WONDERING WHO HAS THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.
OUR TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE ADDRESS TOUCHED ON THIS.
WE ACTUALLY, WHEN I WAS PUTTING TOGETHER YOUR COMP PLAN PRESENTATION, I FOUND THE FORMER DIRECTOR HAS A TRANSPORTATION PLAN FROM 2015 MM-HMM.
I WAS JUST SAY I SEE THE 24 OR 2013 LEASE, BUT YEAH, SO THERE IS ONE IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, AND THEN AGAIN, IT LOOKS LIKE IN 2015, AND THAT'S THE MOST RECENT AND THE, BUT THE TRANSPORTATION HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED.
IT'S NOT AS OLD AS THE COMP LAMB THOUGH, FROM 19
THANKS AGAIN, BJ FOR YOUR NICE, BUT I'VE GOT VERY, VERY, VERY RARE QUESTIONS.
THEY COME UP NEXT TOO, RIGHT?
JUST, UH, JUST A REMINDER, IF COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN, BJ'S GREAT.
ABOUT, AND, AND HE JUST, COUNCILMAN INGRAM WAS STALKING TO HIM.
AND I KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE HAVE EMAIL QUESTIONS, SOME PEOPLE HAVE STOPPED TO SEE HIM.
UM, SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, HE'S MORE THAN WILLING TO ANSWER ANYTHING OR ANYONE.
AND IF IT'S A QUESTION THAT YOU THINK THAT OTHERS MIGHT HAVE, BY ALL MEANS EMAIL IT SO THAT WHEN HE RESPONDS, EVERYBODY GETS IT.
UM, HE RESPONDS TO EMAILS PRETTY QUICK TOO.
YES, HE DOES ALL, HE'S QUICK ON JOB.
THESE ARE THE ITEMS SLATED FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, UM, FOR MARCH 27TH.
SO FIRST UP WE HAVE THE RIVERTON PUMP STATION, UH, RIVERTON PUMP STATION.
THIS IS FOR THE ENGINEERING SERVICES ON THE, UH, RIVERTON PUMP STATION, $162,900.
UH, WE DID PUT OUT AN RFP FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, OOPS.
FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING LAST YEAR.
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WE, UH, UH, KIND OF ALTERNATE BETWEEN THE, UH, COUPLE OF FIRMS. UH, THIS ONE, UH, WOULD BE PATA, UH, ENGINEERING.UM, AND WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS FOR THEM TO, UH, GIVE US THE PLANS, UH, FOR THE RIVERTON PUMP STATION AND KEEP THE PUMPS TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, INTERCHANGEABLE WITH OTHER, OTHER PUMPS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE TOWN.
UM, THESE WERE FROM THE LATE SEVENTIES, EARLY EIGHTIES.
UM, SO, UH, JUST TRYING TO DO A LITTLE PREPARATION AND, AND BASIC FUNCTIONING.
BUT, UM, $162,900 IS JUST FOR THE ENGINEERING OF THESE.
UH, THE PROJECT WILL BE CONSIDERABLY AVAILABLE, MORE PROBABLY CLOSER TO THE 1 MILLION RANGE, AND ALSO THAN NONE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OKAY.
MOVING ON TO B, PROFESSIONAL ANNUAL AUDITING SERVICE AUDITING SERVICES.
SO, JEFF MITCHELL, MITCHELL COMPANY, WHO'S BEEN OUR AUDITOR FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, UH, RETIRED.
I BEGGED DEPLETED FOR HIM TO STAY ON
UM, THE TOWN HAS WON THE G F O A AWARD FOR FINANCIAL EXCELLENCE FOR, UM, 30 PLUS YEARS.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WANT TO CONTINUE THAT.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE TWO RESPONDENTS.
WE INTERVIEWED BOTH RESPONDENTS FOR THIS SERVICES.
UM, OUR EVALUATION COMMITTEE DID FEEL THAT, UH, UH, U H Y, UH, LL P, UH, WAS THE TOP RUNNER.
UM, THEY PRESENTED US WITH A, UH, PROPOSAL FOR, UM, A TOTAL OF FIVE YEARS, UH, THERE, UM, PROVIDING THE FINANCIAL AUDIT, UH, THE TOWN'S FINANCIAL AUDIT, AS WELL AS THE SINGLE AUDIT, SINGLE AUDIT BEING FOR THE FEDERAL MONEY THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE FROM ARPO OR ANYWHERE ELSE.
WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO A SINGLE AUDIT.
AND IF ELECTED, UH, THERE IS A COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING CLAUSE IN THERE.
IF, UH, FRIDA, UH, WOULD LIKE TO USE THEM IN THE FUTURE, THEY COULD CERTAINLY, UH, PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT.
UM, BUT NEED TO GET AN AUDIT SERVICE, UH, IN LINE BECAUSE JUNE 30 IS COMING UP HERE QUICK.
UM, SO NOW I, I WAS, I THINK I SAW SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE.
ARE THEY ONLY DOING A FEW PROGRAMS? YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA DO THE WHOLE, THEY DO THE WHOLE GAMUT, YES.
BUT THEN THEY, WHAT WERE THEY TALKING ABOUT? THE EXTRA PROGRAMS THAT THEY WERE CHARGING FOR, WHAT WAS, IF WE HAD EXTRA, UH, FEDERAL MONEY THAT WE RECEIVED, THEY CAN DO THE EXTRA WORK FOR US.
UM, SOME OF THESE FEDERAL PROGRAMS THAT WE GET INTO REQUIRE SPECIAL AUDITS TO BE DONE RIGHT ON TOP OF THE SINGLE PHASE ON TOP OF THE SINGLE AUDIT.
AND THEY'RE, UH, THEY CAN DO THAT.
UM, UH, A COUPLE OF THEIR MEMBERS ARE ACTUALLY MEMBERS OF THE, UM, UH, THE, UH, THEY DO THE REVIEWS FOR THE G F O A AND THEY ALSO DO, UM, A 1 33 OR WHATEVER.
SO THAT'S CONTINGENT UPON IF WE GET MONEY, YES.
AND IF WE DON'T NEED IT, THEN THEY WOULD, WE WOULD ONLY PAY THEM THE MONEY IN THE COLUMN ON THE LEFT.
AND, UH, THEY WERE, UH, UM, UH, YES.
AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO BE WITH US FOR THE LONG TERM.
UM, THAT'S WHY, UH, YOU DON'T SEE A, A COST INCREASE FROM, UH, YEAR ONE TO YEAR TWO.
YEAR ONE'S GONNA BE A LOT HARDER ON ME AND THEM JUST GETTING THEM, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WORK, HOW THEY WORK.
UM, AND THEN BY YEAR TWO, THEY'RE HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THINGS WILL STABILIZE AND LOT A GOOD UNDERSTANDING HOW WE WORK.
UM, BUT, UM, UH, BUT I DO LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM.
ITEM C IS THE VARIOUS SINGLE PHASE PAD MOUNTED TRANSFORMER.
IT'S VARIOUS TRANSFORMERS THAT WE, UH, NEED TO GET AND KEEP ON HAND.
UM, WHERE WE'RE LUCKY TO GET THESE, I THINK WE PUT THIS OUT FOR BID TWICE, RIGHT, CARRIE
UM, DIDN'T GET A SINGLE BID THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
SO WE GOT, UH, BIDS ON THESE HERE AND, UH, LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD AND TRY TO GET THESE THINGS, UH, HERE FOR US.
JUST, AND THESE ARE, I GUESS, MORE OR LESS BACKUP ONES, RIGHT? YEAH.
MY QUESTION WAS, I KNOW IF I NOTICED THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE IN COSTS BETWEEN THE, I'M, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH WESTGATE AND ANTER.
THINK ABOUT THE, UH, UH, I JUST WANTED TO, THIS IS THE ONE WHERE THE, UH, SOME, UH, THEY WERE REFURBISHED.
ALTHOUGH, YEAH, WE WERE LOOKING TO GET WHATEVER WE COULD BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE AT ALL THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
SO I MEAN, WE WERE TRYING TO GET, YEAH.
UM, THE, THE DEMAND FOR TRANSFORMERS IS UNPRECEDENTED.
WAS IT A 52 WEEK WAIT FOR STUFF THAT WE NEEDED LAST YEAR? THAT BID WE PUT OUT, I THINK FIVE TIMES BEFORE WE FINALLY GOT SOMETHING BACK.
TIME THAT'S, UM, LOOKS LIKE AIRPLANE ENGINE.
AND THEN, UH, KIND OF THE SAME THING WITH THE NEXT ONE LAST YEAR.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO D WHICH IS THE THREE PHASE PAD MOUNTED TRANSCRIPT.
THE, UH, THE SAME THING, BUT THIS ONE DOES HAVE A LEAD TIME OF THREE TO FIVE WEEKS.
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YEAH.UM, AND THIS ONE'S FOR A PARTICULAR BUSINESS, RIGHT? L K OKAY.
SO WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO ONLY HAVE A THREE TO FIVE WEEK TURNAROUND ON THIS ONE.
I BELIEVE THEY PUT IT IN A NEW, AND I USED ONE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
DO WE HAVE A SALES REP FOR THEM THAT YOU WORK WITH? UM, I PERSONALLY DON'T.
YEAH, HE PROBABLY HAVE IN, YEAH, IT'S PUBLIC POWER WRAPS UP.
WHAT'S UP FOR YOU, BJ? I DID HAVE A, WOW.
SO E IS A RESOLUTION OF PROVING THE TOWN'S PARTICIPATION NUMBER FOR THE SETTLEMENT OF OPIOID RELATED CLAIMS AGAINST PHARMACEUTICAL MANUFACTURERS AND DISTRIBUTORS WITH SETTLEMENT FUNDS TO BE USED TO HELP REMEDIATE DAMAGES CAUSED BY THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CALL HOUSEKEEPING ITEM.
IN 2021, COUNSEL PASSED A RESOLUTION, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN THE, UH, OPIOID SETTLEMENT AND ALSO APPROVED AN MOU AT THAT TIME.
SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED, UH, RECENTLY IS WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DEFENDANT, UM, I THINK IT'S FIVE NAME DEFENDANTS.
UM, AND SO THIS IS JUST TO, UH, INCLUDE THOSE DEFENDANTS IN THE SETTLEMENT.
UH, DOES THE TOWN GET THE MONEY? NO, UH,
UH, THE MEAT OF THIS IS, UM, EXPLAINED, LET'S SEE, ABOUT THREE PAGES IN, AND IT STATES, IN ADDITION, SOME TOWNS ARE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENTS AND SUBMIT PARTICIPATION FORMS BECAUSE DUE TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS, TOWNS ABOVE A CERTAIN POPULATION THRESHOLD MUST APPROVE THE SETTLEMENTS AND SUBMIT PARTICIPATION FORMS IN ORDER TO MAXIMIZE THE OVERALL RECOVERY FOR THE COMMONWEALTH AND ITS SUBDIVISIONS.
PARTICIPATING TOWNS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE DIRECT SHARES FROM THE SETTLEMENT FUNDS.
HOWEVER, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR REQUEST OR RECEIVE FUNDS FOR OPIOID ABATEMENT PROGRAMS THROUGH THEIR COUNTIES.
PARTICIPATION BY THESE TOWNS WILL HELP MAXIMIZE THE RECOVERY FOR ALL OF VIRGINIA'S COUNTIES, INCLUDING THE COUNTIES IN WHICH THEY ARE LOCATED.
SO JUST, UM, LITTLE I I FOR EVERYBODY, BECAUSE GEORGE MENTIONED THAT, UM, SO THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL, WHEN, OR WHEN WE WERE ASKED TO JOIN IN ON THIS SUIT, IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN NOT EVEN LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE YEAR BEFORE.
UM, AT THAT TIME, NOBODY WAS REALLY SURE HOW THE MONIES WERE, MONEY WAS GONNA BE DISTRIBUTED.
AND SO WE WERE THINKING WE WOULD GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, THE COUNTY WOULD GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY.
THERE WAS TALK ABOUT USING THAT MONEY TOWARDS THE DRUG COURT.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE SINCE FOUND OUT IS, IS THAT, UM, THE MONEY WILL, ANY OPIOID SETTLEMENT MONEY IS GONNA GO TO THE COUNTY OKAY.
UM, AND, AND THE CAUSE I'M, I, I'M ON THE DRUG COURT COMMITTEE NOW FOR, FOR THE TOWN, UM, THAT IT CANNOT, OH, WHAT'S THE WORD? I CAN'T REMEMBER THE WORD SHE USED, BUT IT CAN'T BE FOR OH, I KNOW.
CAN'T BE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BUDGETED.
SO BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BUDGETED $50,000 TOWARDS THE DRUG COURT AND IT'S ALREADY APPROPRIATED, MAYBE THAT'S THE WORD APP, IS THAT SOUND RIGHT? YES.
BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY APPROPRIATED, WE CAN'T USE THE MONEY FOR THAT.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE GONNA BE MANY OTHER, UH, OPPORTUNITIES AND, UM, THINGS THAT ARE GONNA GO ALONG WITH, UH, THE DRUG COURT, OTHER SERVICES AND RESOURCES THAT'LL BE NEEDED THAT THEY CAN USE THE MONEY FOR.
SO, UM, I THINK THIS, HONESTLY, I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST MORE OF A FORMALITY.
I DON'T THINK ANY TOWNS IN THE COMMONWEALTH, NO TOWN, NO TOWNS IN THE COMMONWEALTH WILL BE RECEIVING ANY, UH, OF THE OPIO OPIOID SETTLEMENT MONEY.
SO, UM, BUT AS JOR AS, AS MR. SONNET SAID, US JOINING IN ON THIS AND PASSING RESOLUTION ALLOWS THE COMMONWEALTH TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET MORE MONEY, WHICH IN TURN BENEFITS ALL THE CITIZENS AND BENEFITS OUR EFFORTS TOWARDS, UM, UH, THE DAMAGES BROUGHT ON FROM, UM, THE OP OPIOID EPIDEMIC.
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BUT IT DOES PROHIBIT US, THOUGH, IF THERE WAS A LAWSUIT LATER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF LAWSUIT WE WOULD HAVE, BUT IT DOES PROHIBIT US FROM GOING AFTER ANY OF THESE GROUPS FOR ANY DAMAGES THAT THE TOWN MIGHT INCUR.BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D PROVE A SPECIFIC DAMAGE IN THAT REGARD, BUT NOR WOULD THE TOWN HAVE THE RESOURCES TO TAKE TO PURSUE A LAWSUIT ITSELF.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? SO GEORGE WILL BE WRITING UP A RESOLUTION, RIGHT? I MEAN, WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THE RESOLUTION'S ALREADY IN HERE, AND SO I'LL FINALIZE IT.
AND THEN ON MARCH 27TH, THIS WOULD BE PART OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST A, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD VOTE AS ONE WHOLE THING UNLESS ANYBODY WANTS TO PULL ANY OF IT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? NOPE.
SO NUMBER F UM, SO THIS WAS SOMETHING I ASKED TO, TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
I WAS ASKED, UM, BY SOME CITIZENS, UH, FOR THE TOWN TO RECOGNIZE, UH, THE FRONT ROYAL KARATE CLUB'S 50TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION.
SO, UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD IT IN YOUR AGENDA, SO YOU'RE AWARE, BUT ON APRIL 7TH, THE FRONT ROW KARATE CLUB WILL BE CELEBRATING 50 YEARS, SAME LOCATION FOR ALL 50 YEARS.
UM, AND, UH, SINCE THEY, UH, DRAGO, UH, IT, IT TELLS YOU ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS, 131 ADULTS.
WHEN THEY SAY 50,000 JUNIORS, THAT PROBABLY IS EVEN, I WOULD SAY, UH, NOT EVEN.
I JUST THINK THERE'S JUST SO MANY PEOPLE.
HE ALSO, UM, HE STILL TEACHES HIS OWN CLASS AND HE'S 82 YEARS OLD.
UH, SO HE STILL WORKS OUT WITH THE STUDENTS.
UM, AND SO COUNSEL, WE, WE JUST, UM, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE WHERE WE'VE RECOGNIZED, UM, A BUSINESS OR CITIZENS FOR THAT MATTER, WHICH IS ANOTHER THING I'M GONNA BE BRINGING TO YOU GUYS IN THE FUTURE ABOUT SOME CITIZENS THAT ARE.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? UM, I THINK THAT'S, YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHERE IT'S LOCATED, RIGHT? YEAH.
I SAY THAT ALLEY, BUT IT USED TO SEEM LIKE IT WAS ALLEY QUITE.
I JUST THINK IT'S SO MARTY DOGO.
SO JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR KIDS AND ADULTS HAVE, UM, HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS OVER THE YEARS.
AND, UM, SO ANYWAY, BUT NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
THAT'LL ALSO BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE I WILL PROBABLY BE ATTENDING THIS, A CELEBRATION FOR THAT.
AND SO NOW NUMBER FOUR WAS THE ITEM THAT WE ADDED TO OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
UM, IT WAS THE TEXT AMENDMENT.
TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE DISCUSSION OF BURIAL GROUNDS AT DYNAMIC OF LIFE.
SO, SO MADAM MAYOR, I ACTUALLY CALLED, UM, LAUREN TODAY IN ZONING, AND LAUREN IS PREPARED TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL.
SO ESSENTIALLY, UH, THIS IS A TIME SENSITIVE MATTER AS I EXPRESSED TO EACH OF YOU TONIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR ADDING IT TO THE AGENDA.
IT WOULD BE, UM, LANGUAGE THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE MISCELLANEOUS SECTION OF THE CODE 1 75 DASH 29.
UM, I KNOW COUNSEL HAD SOME QUESTIONS SURROUNDING IT.
LAUREN, IF YOU WOULD, UM, JUST, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ASK ME SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND I'M PREPARED TO ANSWER THOSE IF NEED BE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO US HEARING THIS AND GETTING THE INFORMATION FROM LAUREN TONIGHT, THE NEXT STEPS IN THE PROCESS WOULD BE THAT THIS HAS TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT'S WHY THERE WAS AN EMPHASIS ON IT.
PLANNING COMMISSION IS SCHEDULED TO MEET THIS WEDNESDAY FOR OUR WORK SESSION.
HOWEVER, THEY WOULD NEED TO HEAR THIS AT A REGULAR MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING AFTER THAT TO VOTE.
IT DOES HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED FOR 14 DAYS.
SO IF WE ADVERTISE IT TODAY, WHICH WE CAN'T BECAUSE IT HASN'T GONE BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE DATE WE COULD VOTE ON THIS WOULD BE THE, THIS MARCH MEETING.
SO HEARING IT TONIGHT PUTS IT AT OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE END OF APRIL, UNLESS, UM, THERE'S WILLINGNESS, UM, FROM PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, I HAVE TALKED TO THE MAYOR ABOUT IT.
WE COULD ADD THIS TO ONE OF OUR WORK SESSIONS EARLIER IN APRIL AS A SPECIAL MEETING AND TAKE ACTION DURING THE SPECIAL MEETING TO KIND OF EXPEDITE THIS PROCESS.
UM, SO WE WOULD NEED, WE WOULD NEED PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO THE CHAIRMAN.
UM, IF, IF THEY CAN ADD THIS FOR A DISCUSSION, THEN THEY WOULD
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HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.UM, AND THEN SEND US THE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, AND AS COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS STATED, EVEN THOUGH WE WOULDN'T BE MEETING AGAIN UNTIL, UM, THE 24TH OF APRIL, BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET IT ON THE MARCH 27TH AGENDA.
UM, BUT IF WE COULD, UM, I COULD CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AT THE END OF ONE OF OUR WORK SESSIONS AND WE CAN TAKE ACTION THAT WAY AS LONG AS WE, AS LONG AS WE GO THROUGH ALL THE OTHER PROPER CHANNELS AND ASSUMING EVERYBODY IS AMENABLE AND, AND IN SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR LAUREN? YES, JOSH SESSION.
AND THIS IS JUST A GENERIC STUPID FROM YOU IS QUESTION.
UM, I DON'T WANNA ASK IT ANYWAYS.
SHOULD WE CALL 'EM GRAVEYARDS OR CEMETERIES? REASON? I'M ASKING BECAUSE CEMETERIES ARE NOT PART OF CHURCHES.
GRAVEYARDS ARE OWN CHURCHES BY DEFINITION.
OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE, IT WAS THE, OKAY.
BUT WE CAN DO IT AS GRAVEYARDS AT THAT POINT.
I WOULD SAY LET'S MAKE AN AMENDMENT IN CASE SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING.
WELL, ARIES BY DEFINITION ARE NOT USUALLY PART OF CHURCH PROPERTY.
WE CAN ADD, IF YOU'RE GOING TO AMEND 1 75 29, WE CAN AMEND 1 75 3, WHICH IS OUR DEFINITION SECTION ZONING BOARDMAN.
YOU CLARIFY GRAVEYARD VERSUS CEMETERIES.
THAT'S ONLY, I JUST FOR THE PUBLIC WATCH AND FROM HOME, CAUSE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT AND FOR COUNSEL AND THE PEOPLE THAT, UM, I TRIED TO CALL EVERYBODY TODAY BEFORE I ADDED DECISION TONIGHT, BUT THE AIM OF THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS TO, IS TO ALLOW FOR PASTOR W CARLTON ROGERS BODY TO BE BURIED ON THE PROPERTY OWNED BY DYNAMIC LIFE MINISTRIES.
AND ITS TAX MAP 28 228 WITH AN ADDRESS OF 1600 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY FARMER, VIRGINIA 20 26 30.
UM, THERE'S MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE TOWN BY DOING THIS.
AND IT'S EXTREMELY COMMON FOR, UH, CHURCHES TO HAVE A CEMETERY ON SITE.
UH, THERE'S NO IMPACT TO ANY WATER OR SEWER SERVICES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND I THINK MOST OF THIS COUNCIL KNOWS HOW I FEEL ABOUT ALLOWING PEOPLE WHO OWN THEIR PROPERTY AND PAY THEIR TAXES TO DO AS THEY WISH WITH IT.
SO I BELIEVE PROPERTY, BUT NOT INTERFERE WITH THAT.
I WOULD ALSO, I WOULD SAY WE MAY WANT CONSIDER, UM, TYPICALLY THROUGHOUT THE STATE YOU HAVE 150 FOOT SETBACK FROM PROPERTY LINES FOR BURIAL.
UM, AND IF THERE'S RESIDENTIAL, THEN YOU INCREASE THAT TYPICALLY TO 200 YARDS, WHICH WON'T BE AN ISSUE EITHER.
BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD TAKE UP.
BUT YOU MAY WANNA INCLUDE THAT.
IS THERE RESIDENTIAL, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT ON THE SIDE OF WE RUN, BUT IS IT ON THE OTHER SIDE? ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? HOW CLOSE ARE THE NEXT 17 ACRE PAR MIGHT, I THINK THERE IS THERE RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO IT, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S BARRING OUT THE WAY.
UM, SO IS IT, IS IT WHITE DOWN FROM THE CHURCH? I COULDN'T TELL FROM THE PICTURE.
I THINK IT'S NEAR THE PLAYGROUND AREA.
SO THERE IS A RESTRICTION ON, UH, THERE'S A RESTRICTION ON DISTANCE FROM THE CHURCH ITSELF FROM THE NO, I WOULD, YOU WOULD PUT THE RESTRICTION ON THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THAT WAY IT ENSURES THAT THIS IS NOT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY CORNER.
COULD, IS THERE A RESTRICTION TO LOCATE, UH, THAT BURIAL SITE ANY DISTANCE FROM THE, THE CHURCH? NOT IN OUR, OKAY.
SO MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THEIR WANTING TO SELECT A SITE, AND I THINK THEY KIND OF DID.
UH, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW CLOSE IT WAS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE NO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
SO IT WOULD BE, LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
AND THERE'S NO, NOTHING IN THE STATE CODE THAT SAYS IT HAS TO BE SO, SO FAR AWAY FROM THE CHURCH SITE OR THINGS LIKE THAT'S WHAT GEORGE AT, GEORGE HAS RAISED HIS HAND, SO HE'S GOT SOMETHING.
JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS, AND I HAVEN'T, UM, REALLY DUG INTO THIS BECAUSE IT'S, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROPOSAL WAS, BUT ST.
LAW DOES HAVE A DEFINITION OF CEMETERY.
SEE MY NAME IS, UM, AND IT'S, UM, COUNCIL CAN CHOOSE TO, AND IT'S THE, IT'S THE MEANING OF CEMETERY FOR PURPOSES OF ZONING.
THE DEFINITION BEING, UM, ANY LANDER STRUCTURE USED FOR, USED OR INTENDED TO BE USED FOR THE INTERNMENT OF HUMAN REMAINS.
UM, THE OTHER CONCERN IS NOTICE TO, UM, NEIGHBORS, UM, WELL WITH THE,
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WHEN IT FALLS WITHIN THE LINE GUIDELINES, WHY DO THEY NEED TO BE NOTIFIED? THAT'S IN THE STATE CODE.WHAT IS THE STATE COMMISSIONS AS THE LOCATION OF CEMETERIES AND AS THE QUALITY OF LAND.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT UH, THAT, UH, IT'S 57 DASH 26 AND IT SAYS NOTICE TO, UM, PERMISSION, UM, UH, NO CEMETERY SHALL BE ESTABLISHED WITHIN 250 YARDS OF ANY RESIDENCE WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE OWNER OF THE LEGAL AND EQUITABLE TITLE OF THE RESIDENCE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE, FROM THE POINT OF THE SITE, IT'S 250 YARDS.
AGAIN, THAT'S A PRELIMINARY OKAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION WILL WE INCORPORATE THAT AS A PERFORMANCE? THAT'S A LOT OF NOTICE, A LOT OF PERMISSION.
UH, WELL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY ARE WITHIN THAT, IF IT APPLIES.
AND SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS JUST CREATE A 1 75 29 1 0.1 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO LAUREN, MY REQUEST TO YOU WOULD BE, UM, THAT THE DIRECTION FOR PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE, TO PLEASE ADD THIS TO THEIR AGENDA FOR THEIR WORK SESSION WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
I KNOW THAT YOU WERE PREPARED FOR THAT.
I KNOW LORI WAS GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE CHAIRMAN AFTER THIS TO DISCUSS PERHAPS A TIMELINE FOR A SPECIAL MEETING SO WE COULD GO AHEAD AND TAKE THIS TO A VOTE.
UM, BUT PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT.
IT HAS TO BE ADVERTISED FOR 14 DAYS, AND THEN IT COULD COME BACK TO COUNSEL, WHICH TIME WE COULD DECIDE IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING.
UM, AND I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT SINCE IT IS TIME SENSITIVE, SO, ABSOLUTELY.
I, I CAN ASK, I CAN CLARIFY WITH GEORGE, TINA, SOMEBODY LATER, BUT, SO FROM THE TIME THAT PLANT PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HOLD, ASSUMING THEY'RE WILLING TO DO ALL THIS, UH, ONCE THEY WOULD HOLD THEIR MEETING TO TAKE ACTION, THEN WE WOULD NEED 14 DAYS FROM THAT TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE FOR OUR SPECIAL MEETING.
SO YOU NEED 14 DAYS FOR ADVERTISEMENT.
WE NEED 14 DAYS FOR ADVERTISEMENT.
THAT'S WHY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TAKES OR HAS A WORK SPECIAL LIST TOO LATE.
UM, THEY WOULD, IF YOU, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, YOU'D HAVE TO ADVERTISE, AND WE COULD, IN THEORY, TWO WEEKS FROM THE WORK SESSION, HOLD THE MEETING OR HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, POTENTIALLY AT THEIR FIRST WORK SESSION OF APRIL.
UM, AND THEN IT COULD COME BACK TO YOU.
WE CAN'T ADVERTISE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
CAUSE THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE, THERE IS STILL ENOUGH DAYS IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS WILLING TO HEAR THIS, TO STILL BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THIS ON OUR APRIL 24TH.
YOU CAN CONCURRENTLY ADVERTISE.
IT GETS A LITTLE STAFF JUST WOULD HAVE TO WORK OUT THE TIMING AND WHEN WE WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT THINGS.
SO JUST, TINA AND CONNIE WOULD NEED TO COORDINATE WHEN WE SEND ADVERTISEMENTS AND NOTIFICATION.
AND GEORGE IS GONNA LOOK INTO THAT NOTIFICATION OF THE NEIGHBORS.
PERMISSION, BUT ONLY, WELL, ONLY WITHIN TWO.
YOU, YOU READ IT AGAIN LATER, BUT YEAH.
I, I THOUGHT IT SOUNDED LIKE ANYBODY THAT HAD RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITHIN 250 YARDS OF THE BURIAL SITE.
BUT LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE THE MM-HMM.
I'M NOT COOKHOUSE, THEY'RE, YEAH, THEY'RE ON, THEY'RE ON THE EAST SIDE.
THE OTHER SIDE OF IT'S LERE PARKWAY.
THE, AND THE BACK OF DYNAMIC LIFE.
BUT I'M, NO, I MEAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LOT OF DYNAMIC LIFE, THIS PART RIGHT OVER HERE, ISN'T THAT, THAT, ISN'T THAT THE HOSPITAL OR IS THAT HEP DAD? IT'S HE DAD.
I MEAN, SHE CAN PROBABLY, RIGHT? NO, NO.
OH, IF WE, IT'S, IT'S THAT SIDE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO ANYWAY, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S FOR ME.
THERE'S NO NEIGHBORS THERE YET.
THERE'S NO HOUSES ON THIS SIDE OF IT.
YET SO AND SO, WELL, HOPEFULLY IT'S DONE BEFORE THERE'S HOUSES, BUT IT HAS BEEN RESERVED FOR THE, UM, LIKE PARKS SPACE.
NO, WHAT I MEANT BY IT IS WE DON'T HAVE TO GET PERMISSION.
NOBODY, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
UM, JOE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, MAYOR.
UM, SO DO I HEAR CORRECTLY YOU WANT TO DUAL ADVERTISEMENT PLANNING COMMISSION ADVERTISE? THAT IS, I WOULD PREFER IF, IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS, IF IS, UM, MR. UH, COUNCILMAN ROGERS, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH.
I'M JUST AMAZED AT HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE.
I JUST WANNA SAY, REMEMBER WHEN I TOLD YOU ALL BEFORE JANUARY BEFORE I TOOK OFFICE, THAT WHEN WE USED TO MEET TWICE A MONTH FOR WORK SESSIONS AND MEET TWICE A MONTH FOR MEETINGS, THAT THERE, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU, YOU WERE MEETING AUSTIN FOR THESE THINGS.
WE'VE ALREADY CORRECTED HAVING TWO WORK SESSIONS A MONTH, WHICH I THINK IS HELPING.
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SO, BUT THIS IS A PER YEAH, MAYBE.THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY IF WE WERE MEETING AGAIN A SECOND TIME, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE IN A, IN A CONSTRAINT.
ALTHOUGH THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION IS, IS A LITTLE UNIQUE.
I THINK IT HAS PRESENTED THOUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH BUREAUCRACY AND GOVERNMENT.
I TOOK SEVERAL PHONE CALLS TODAY IN REGARDS TO THIS, AND I'M GLAD THAT PEOPLE FELT THE NEED TO REACH OUT TO HIM.
I'M GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS HERE.
BUT I MEAN, THE BUREAUCRACY OF, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE SIGNIFICANT LOSS AND, UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO, IT'S, IT'S EVEN FOR ME BEING ON COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, I WAS CALLING PEOPLE AND RUNNING AROUND CHASING DOWN HOW TO GO ABOUT THIS, AND IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATING THAT IT HAS TO GO THROUGH SO MANY LEVELS TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING SUCH AS THIS ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY.
UM, BUT THANK, THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING.
I WOULD'VE ASKED FOR PERMISSION LATER.
SO I RESPECT ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DUAL ADVERTISING? IT, AS LONG AS WE CAN GET PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE BOAT.
IF, IF I CAN JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT THOUGHT.
UM, IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, CEMETERIES ARE ALLOWED, BUT ONLY IN AG ZONE.
SO, SO THAT'S WHAT, SO THIS WILL PERMITTED ALL R THREE, ALL THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT SOMEBODY ON COUNCIL DID HAVE FOR ME IS HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT OTHER CHURCHES, UM, AND THE COMMUNITY.
SO IF YOU WANNA REITERATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, LAUREN, I DON'T KNOW.
SO THIS WOULD BE, IF WE CHANGE THIS TEXT AMENDMENT, THEN THIS WOULD MEAN ANY CHURCH THAT'S IN AN R THREE ZONE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING.
WITH THE SAME WITHIN THE STATE, WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.
YOU HAVE TO COME AND APPLY FOR A ZONING TERM OF THE SENTENCE.
AND THAT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW.
WE, WE WOULD TAKE UP TO TWO WEEKS.
SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK, BECAUSE I WILL SAY THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION YEAH.
UM, IS, IS UNIQUE COMPARED TO OTHER CHURCHES THAT ARE IN OUR THREE AREAS.
THIS CHURCH HAS A LOT MORE, UM, SPACE AROUND IT.
AND SO ANYWAY, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY, JUST KIND OF IN CLOSING, THAT IT'S NOT ONLY SPACE.
THEY'VE GOT A GREAT HISTORY IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WORSHIP AT THAT, AT THAT CHURCH.
UH, IT'S NOT AS IF IT'S, UH, AND, AND I, THIS IS NOT DEROGATORY IN ANY SENSE, BUT SOME CHURCHES COME UP, UH MM-HMM.
THIS IS, UH, THIS IS, THESE ARE FOLKS THAT'LL BE AROUND, RIGHT? YEP.
THANKS FOR EVERYBODY'S HELP TO MOVE THIS ALONG.
UM, NUMBER FIVE IS THE STAFF RETREAT PREPARATION.
UM, AND I BELIEVE ROBBIE IS UP FIRST.
SO PUBLIC WORKS CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, HAVE SOME, UH, I THINK JOE'S PULLING UP FOR COMING.
OH, ROBBIE'S HANDING OUT AND STUFF.
DO YOU HAVE IT ON THE DRIVE? YES, SIR.
BECAUSE HE WANTS TO LOVE
UM, SO JUST GO THROUGH SOME PROJECTS.
UH, SOME OF THESE BJ KEN ALREADY TOUCHED ON EARLIER.
UM, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, SOME OF 'EM, I'VE TRIED TO PUT SOME MORE INFORMATION, UM, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME MORE DETAIL.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN.
ALL THE PROJECTS INCLUDED, UM, IN THE PACKET.
UM, THE FIRST ONE, THE RIVERTON PUMP STATION, UM, DJ WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
UH, WE GOT A PROPOSAL FROM ESSA OUTTA WINCHESTER.
UM, IT WASI DESIGNED IN 1977 AND PUT IN PLACE IN THE EIGHTIES.
UM, THOSE PUMPS ARE ALL ORIGINAL.
UM, GENERATOR, UM, METAL STAIRS, UM, YOU CAN SEE ARE ALL RUSTED UP.
UM, ONE THING I DID WANNA MENTION ABOUT THIS.
SO CROOKED RUN, EVERYTHING COMES OUTTA THE COURT ORDER.
CROOKED RUN GOES TO RIVERTON PUMP STATION.
EVERYTHING OUT OF VISCO CITY CROSSES THE RIVER AND GOES TO RIVERTON PUMP STATION.
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GETS A PILE OF USAGE.LET'S SAID WE GOT OUR MONEY'S BIRTH OUT OF IT ORIGINALLY.
UM, THERE'S CURRENTLY, UH, TWO OR TWO, 2.7 MGD PUMPS.
SO OUR PLAN IS ONCE WE, UH, GET ALL THIS LAID OUT, JUST TO ADD, ADD A THIRD PUMP, UM, TO THAT WE GUYS ON THE UPPER RIGHT MM-HMM.
SO, UH, SO THAT WAY WILL ACTUALLY BE THREE PUMPS.
UH, RIGHT NOW VOTE PUMPS, WE CAN DO ABOUT 1900 GALLONS A MINUTES.
UM, LIKE BJ SAID, THE, UH, THE PROPOSAL TO HAVE THE ENGINEERING DONE IS ON THE 27TH MEETING FOR HUNDRED 62.
UM, A FEW YEARS AGO, THERE WAS SOME MONEY PUT BACK.
SO CURRENTLY HALF, FIVE 70, UM, PUT TOWARDS ENGINEERING, HOPEFULLY TOWARDS STARTING TO GET THE PROJECT, UH, MOVING.
UM, THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S AT THE END OF AVALON SHORES DOWN THERE ALONG THE RIVER IS WHERE THIS IS LOCATED.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, SO THAT, THAT GETS A LOT OF FLOW.
LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN IMAGINE VISCO CITY AND ALL, ALL THE CORRIDOR, UH, INFLOW PUMPS.
UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW TIMES.
UM, SO OF COURSE THESE WERE PUT IN IN 1976.
UM, THERE'S STILL ALL THE ORIGINAL PUMPS.
UM, WE NEEDED ALL FOUR PUMPS ORDERED.
UM, WE DID FIND OUT THE TWO SMALL PUMPS HAVE SHIPPED FROM OVERSEAS.
UM, THE TWO LARGER PUMPS ARE STILL BEING MANUFACTURED.
UM, SO WE'RE HOPING, WE WERE HOPING ALL FORD BE HERE BY THE END OF MARCH.
UM, AT THIS POINT, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY WITH THE BIG ONES.
HOPEFULLY AT LEAST THE TWO SMALL BE HERE.
UM, WE DID GET, UH, THIS IS PAT TESSA COMPLETING SPECS.
THEY ACTUALLY DROPPED THOSE OFF, OF COURSE, FRIDAY AFTERNOON.
UM, SO WE'RE REVIEWING THOSE THIS WEEK.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET ALL THAT DONE AND, UH, HOPEFULLY GET EVERYTHING OUT THE BID SO WE CAN BRING THAT BACK FOR ALL THE, UM, INSTALLATION, ALL THE BDFS CONTROL CABINETS, UM, AND THAT ONE STAIRS, IT NEEDS SOME CONCRETE WORK ON THE FLOOR.
UM, SOME OF THOSE STRUCTURAL THINGS WE CAN GET DONE.
UH, I AND I, UM, THIS ONE, UH, SNYDER ENVIRONMENTAL JUST STARTED.
UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S CLEANING SEWER LINES AND CLEARING.
UM, THEY'RE OUT LIKE, UH, CROOKED RUN.
UM, BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER.
THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF LINE DOWN THERE TO DO WHERE SEWER LINES ARE ON THE CREEK.
UM, SO THIS ONE'S KIND OF SCATTERED OUT, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
UM, THIS ONE'S MOSTLY ALL C IPP LINING.
AND, UH, IT'S EVERYTHING FROM EIGHT INCH, EIGHT INCH LINES TO 12 INCH.
UH, AND THERE IS 192 RESIDENTIAL LATERAL LA LATERALS.
THEY'RE GONNA SEAL THAT'S NOT IN REAL BAD SHAPE IS THE JOINTS ARE LEAKING SO THEY CAN SEAL THEM, UM, WITHOUT HAVING ANY PROBLEMS. UM, OUR PLAN, OUR SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW, WE SHOULD BE DONE, UH, SEPTEMBER 5TH OF THIS YEAR AND HAVE THAT WRAPPED UP.
UM, WE JUST RECEIVED THE BIDS BACK FOR THIS ONE.
UM, WE'RE CHECKING THE REFERENCES NOW.
UM, THIS ONE WILL COME BACK TO COUNSEL ON APRIL 24TH FOR APPROVAL.
UM, THIS ONE IS, UH, LOWER 900,000.
THIS ONE IS TO SEAL 180 SANITARY SEWER MANHOLES.
AND THEN THEY'LL ALSO GET, UH, ORDER TYPE FRAMING COVERS.
UH, ONCE IT'S APPROVED, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS.
UM, PART OF THAT'LL BE WHY THEY'RE SEALING.
UM, THEY CAN GET THE FRAMING COVERS IN THAT.
THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE, UM, AS LONG AS THE FOUNDRY CAN KEEP UP WITH THEM.
UM, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSFORMERS, WE ORDERED SOME MANHOLE RISERS LAST YEAR FOR PAVEMENT IN MAY AND JUNE THAT WE JUST GOT 'EM TWO WEEKS AGO.
SO, SO AS LONG AS THE FOUNDRY CAN KEEP UP, WHICH THEY SAID THEY'RE GETTING BETTER NOW.
SO WE HOPE HOPEFUL THAT, THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT, MAKE THAT WORK.
UM, PRV VAULT, UM, WE DID FINALLY GET THE ONE FOR ROBIN HOOD LANE WITH THE, UH, ROAD GRADE HATCH.
SO THAT'S PUT IN, THAT'S BEEN PUT IN SERVICE.
UM, ROBIN HOOD LANE WORKS IN, IN SENTIMENTS WITH, UH, WEST STER LEACH RUN, UM, RICHMOND ROAD.
SO THAT'S ALL BEEN SET AND WORKING WITH THOSE.
UH, THE ONE FOR RICHMOND ROAD, UM, WE'RE HOPING THE 22ND WE'RE GONNA TO PUT THAT ONE IN.
WE'RE WAITING FOR THE CRANE COMPANY CONFIRM.
UM, BUT AS LONG AS THEY CAN GET A CRANE THAT DAY I START PLAYING AS TO IS TO PUT THAT ONE IN, UH, MARCH 22ND.
SO BOTH OF THOSE WILL BE DONE, UM, LIKE BJ SITTING.
AND THAT'LL ONLY LEAVE JAMESTOWN ROAD, UH, FOR THE OLD P R B VAULTS.
UM, AND THAT'S THE PRESSURE REDUCING BOLT SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THAT IS.
SO THAT TAKES AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE PRESSURES.
YOU COULD BE 140 PSI AND WHEN IT GOES IN, IT'LL COME OUT THE BACKSIDE 70 OR YOU KNOW, 70 SOME POUNDS.
IT'S NOT POPPING OFF POP WATER HEATERS AND MESSING UP APPLIANCES IN THE HOUSE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEY'RE ALSO SET, IF YOU HAVE A WATER BREAK IN ONE AREA, IT'LL KICK IN AND PUSH ORDERS TO THAT AREA TO HELP KEEP THE SYSTEM SUSTAINED.
UM, AND TRY TO KEEP EVERYBODY IN PRESSURE.
UH, BUSH HOME CONTRACT OUTTA WOODSTOCK.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON BRAXTON.
UM, THEY'RE ABOUT 80% DONE, PROBABLY ANOTHER WEEK AND A HALF, TWO WEEKS.
THEY'RE TRANSFER OF WATER SERVICES NOW.
UM, THE 2,600 FEET OF PIPE AND THE 59 SERVICES, THAT'S FOR BRAXTON AND MANASAS.
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BOTH WHEN THEY GET DONE THERE, THEY'RE GONNA HEAD STRAIGHT TO MANASSAS AND START ON THAT.THOSE ARE BOTH TITE WATERLINES.
UM, THEY'RE UPGRADING THESE SERVICES THAT WAS EITHER HALF INCH OR GALVANIZED.
UM, AND THEN THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF BOTH OF THOSE STREETS.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE SEWER.
THEN, UH, BOWMAN AND GRIFFIN, THAT'S THE, UH, PIECE ON JOHN MARSHALL.
THE 12 INCH IN THAT, UH, DID HAVE A PIECE OF EIGHT INCH IN BETWEEN, UM, THE TWO TWELVES.
THERE'S THIS FROM, UH, COLONIAL DOWN TO THE, UH, PRV VAULT.
UH, HE PLANS TO START IN APRIL, UH, ONCE THE ASPHALT PLANTS HAVE OPENS SO HE CAN PATCH THAT AS HE GOES.
UM, THAT WAS PART OF THE WATER MODEL TO HELP WITH THE PRESSURE, SO THAT WAY IT WASN'T RESTRICTED WITH THE EIGHT INCH IN BETWEEN THE TWO TWELVES, UM, FOR THAT.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, CAUSE JOHN MARSHALL, UM, I WAS GONNA ASK HIM, IT'S GONNA BE DONE AT NIGHT OR DO YOU KNOW? UM, SOME OF 'EM ARE, HAVE TO DO AT NIGHT, UM, BECAUSE SOME OF IT, THE, THE CHURCH TIES OFF OF THAT AND HAS THE DAYCARE AND STUFF.
UM, ORIGINALLY WE WANTED TO PUT IT BEHIND THE CURB, BUT THERE'S A STORM DRAIN AND IT'S A FIBER THAT YEAH.
SO A LOT OF THAT WE'LL HAVE TO PROBABLY DO AT NIGHT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FLAG SOME MM-HMM.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE A, YEAH, JUST CUZ IT'S A, IT'S A SUCH A BUSY AREA, ALL THOSE SCHOOLS.
THERE'S WHAT, FOUR SCHOOLS THROUGH THERE? YEAH, BUT I, I MEAN, WHEN ALL THE TRAFFIC COMES, NOT JUST THE SCHOOL, WHEN Y'ALL WERE WORKING OFF OF 66, IT'S JUST ON TOP FIGURE EIGHT.
THERE'S THREE, I GO THROUGH THERE TWICE.
WELL, THERE'S THE MONTESSORI TOO ON THE RIGHT, NOT MONTESSORI ON THE LEFT.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A BUSY AREA.
IT IS, UM, THE REDUNDANT WATER LINE.
SO SNYDER HAS STARTED, UH, THEY'VE DONE ABOUT THREE BLASTING SO FAR FOR ROCK.
UM, THEY HAD BEEN CLEARING, UM, THEY'RE OUT ON 5 22 THIS WEEK CLEARING SOME OF THE EASEMENTS OUT THERE.
UM, THAT'S 26, UH, 26,000 FEET OF PIPE.
UH, THE PIPE'S, UH, STILL PROBABLY ABOUT 15 WEEKS OUT.
UM, THE, UH, MICRO TUNNELING PINT, OR, I'M SORRY, UH, ONE THING WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THERE IS SEVERAL SITES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BORE UNDER.
UM, SO WE HAVE THE RAILROAD TRACKS THERE AT MANASSAS BY THE WASTEWATER PLANT.
UH, 66, UH, WE GOT SEVERAL CREEK CROSSINGS, AND OF COURSE THE MICRO TUNNEL UNDER THE RIVER, UH, THE MICRO TUNNEL, MICRO TUNNELING UNDER THE RIVER.
THEY'RE GONNA LAUNCH FROM THE FRONT ROW, UH, GOLF COURSE.
THEY'RE BEHIND WALMART, UH, OVER TO MARY'S SHADY LANE.
UM, THAT'LL TAKE A COUPLE MONTHS FOR THAT.
AND WE HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 10 FOOT UNDER THE RIVER BOTTOM.
SO THEY SIT ABOUT 40 FOOT, UM, IS WHERE WE GOTTA BE.
UM, CAN I GIVE YOU AN IDEA? WE HAD TO GET, UH, PERMITS FROM ALL THESE AGENCIES.
WE HAD TO GET ONE FROM THE VIRGINIA MARINE RESOURCE CENTER.
UM, THEY'RE THE ONES WITH THE TURTLES AND THE BACKS, UM, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE CLEARING NOW.
WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE TREES DOWN ALONG END OF THE WATER, UM, BY APRIL 1ST FOR THE TIME OF YOUR RESTRICTION FOR THE BATS.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS AN, UH, A MUSCLE AS WELL THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN TIMES FOR THAT TIME OF YOUR RESTRICTIONS.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT ALL THAT IN PLACE.
UM, US ARMY CORPS, I, LIKE ME WAS DARN TERMS. UH, US ARMY CORPS DQ, UH, VDOT OF COURSE BORN UNDER 66 AND SOME OTHER PLACES.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE RAILROAD WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE BORN ON THE RAILROAD.
UM, WE OBTAINED 23 EASEMENTS FOR THAT PROJECT, UM, FOR THE WATER MAIN.
UM, ONE THING I DID WANNA MENTION, WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T THINK BEFORE, IS AS PART OF THAT, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE MAIN LINE IS GOING FROM SIX AND WORSEN OUT TO WALMART FOR THE REDUNDANCY, UM, TO LOOP THAT TOGETHER.
BUT THERE IS FIVE SMALLER SECTIONS, UM, THAT WILL BE PUT IN WITH THAT DURING THAT PROJECT TO LOOP AREAS THAT'S BEEN IN THE CORRIDOR FOR YOURS THAT DIDN'T HAVE REDUNDANCY.
UM, THEY HAVE, THEY ORDER BREAK OUT THERE THAT HAVE TO WEAR, STOP THE TOILETS UP.
UM, THERE'S A SPOT DOWN THERE THAT'S, UH, IF WE TURN THE WATER OFF FRANCISCO AND, UH, SOME INNER BACON AND SOME OF 'EM OUT.
SO THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF, ONCE THIS IS DONE, IT'LL, IT'LL TAKE CARE OF ALL THOSE AREAS.
UM, IT'S ALREADY INSIDE THE CORRIDOR WAR AS WELL.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS FOR FINAL WRAP UP.
UM, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT JULY OF 2024 RIGHT NOW FOR THAT, UH, VDOT PROJECTS.
UM, SO WE, BJ TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE EARLIER, THE CHANDU AVENUE LIGHTING.
UM, SO WHEN THE OLD ENGINEER ORIGINALLY APPLIED FOR THIS WAS BACK IN 2019, UM, IT GOT FUNDED.
UM, OF COURSE COVID HIT, SO IT GOT PUSHED BACK.
UM, IT'S INSTALLED 23 STREET LIGHTS BETWEEN 14TH AND 18TH STREET ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, R K AND K ENGINEERING DID SOME, UH, DESIGN FOR US.
UM, THERE'S OF COURSE A PILE OF UTILITY SITTERS.
WE HAD TO PUT SPECIAL FOOTERS.
UM, THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WAS 600, UM, SINCE IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
UM, WE'RE GONNA REQUEST ANOTHER 130
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FROM, UH, BOP THIS YEAR.WE'RE GONNA APPLY FOR THAT IN MAY, UM, TO COVER THAT SINCE WE'VE ALREADY GOT FUNDING FROM THEN BOARD.
THE GOOD THING IS THAT PUTS US TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE LIST, UM, IN THE REVENUE FOR THAT SINCE WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED PRIOR FUNDING, UM, A STREET BRIDGE.
UM, THIS ONE, UH, LIKE BJ SAID, WE HAD A, UH, MEETING LAST WEEK WITH OUR ENGINEERING FIRM THAT'S GONNA HELP WITH THE DESIGN OF THAT.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY DRAWINGS AT R K K THAT WE FILED WITH THE APPLICATION TO HELP GET FUNDED.
DIDN'T THAT KIND OF LOOK SIMILAR TO CREER ROAD? YEP.
UH, BUT IT'S GONNA BE TALLER, RIGHT? YEP, IT IS.
KREER USED TO BE LIKE A NO, I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME IT'S STILL FLOODS.
YEAH, THERE WERE SOME THINGS DONE TO THAT BRIDGE BEFORE, BUT IT WASN'T.
OH, BUT NOW, YEAH, IT'LL ACTUALLY, IT'LL, UH, WHERE THIS HAS, LIKE YOU CAN SEE IT HAS LIKE 16 CULVERTS MM-HMM.
SO YOU ONLY HAVE MAYBE TWO PLACES IN THE ORDER AND THAT'LL IT'LL CATCH IT.
AND THEN IT'LL A LOT OF STUFF GETTING A LOT OF DEBRIS YET.
UM, WE HAVE ASK THEM IF, IF, DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING, IF WE CAN AFFORD IT ON THE OTHER SIDE TO EXTEND THE SIDEWALK BETWEEN THE COUNTY.
AND THE STADIUM TO MAKE IT A LITTLE SAFER.
AND MAYBE EVEN WE COULD, MAYBE, IF WE AFFORD IT, I LIKE DO THAT LITTLE, LIKE WHAT IS IT A WHEN YOU WALK ON A STRAIGHT LINE OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN, UH, MAYBE GET ACROSS IT.
SO TRY TO MAKE A LITTLE SAFER.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
UM, BUT YES, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT DONE AND GET THAT OUT.
UM, THE ESTIMATED COST, UH, FOR THAT IS 2.8.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TOOK THE MONEY FROM.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE REST, UM, SOUTH STREET.
UH, THIS WAS SMART SCALE, UH, WHICH IS A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED.
UM, THIS IS BETWEEN COMMERCE AND HILL STREET.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A WHILE BACK.
UH, THIS RESTRICT SOME OF THE LEFT HAND TURNS, UM, AND CHANGES SOME OF THAT AROUND TO KEEP THE FLOW BETTER.
UM, ADD SOME POLLENS IN THE MIDDLE TO KEEP PEDESTRIANS SAFER.
UM, THE COST FOR, THAT'S 3,241,000.
UM, THE SURVEYING VDO FINISHED AT, THEY'RE, UH, DOING THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE US AS SET UP PLANS IN THE SPRING, LATE SPRING, EARLY SUMMER TO REVIEW.
UM, BUT THEY'RE SAYING THAT COMPLETELY, UH, DESIGNED THE MAY OF 24 EVEN JUST AESTHETICALLY, NOT EVEN FOR JUST PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, WHICH IS HUGE ON SOUTH STREET, EVEN THOUGH THEY CROSS WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO.
DESPITE ALL THE NEW CROSSWALKS AND LIGHTS, THAT'S OUR MAIN TRAFFIC FLOW FOR LEAF SEASON.
AND SO I THINK THOSE ISLANDS WITH SOME GREENERY, WELL DEFINITELY AESTHETICALLY BE APPEALING TO THE TOWN AND THAT STRETCH OF ROAD.
AND I WILL SAY SHAU AVENUE AND SOUTH STREET, I JUST WANNA THROW A SHOUT OUT TO, UH, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I SERVED WITH MM-HMM.
AND AND SAFETY IS DEFINITELY A, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY.
BOTH OF THOSE PARTICULAR PLACES.
SAFETY IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME TRAGEDIES ON, ON THOSE.
WELL, THAT, THAT WAS, I MEAN, STATUS IS, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS SCORED SO HIGH.
BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY FATALITIES JUST FOR, THIS IS MORE FOR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT SO WHEN THEY APPLY FOR SMART SCALE MONEY, THERE'S LIKE THIS MAJOR APPLICATION AND YOU PUT ALL THIS INFORMATION IN.
AND THEN THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD, I BELIEVE ARE THE ONES THAT LIKE SCORE EVERYTHING.
AND SO, SO DEPENDING ON WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE APPLICATION, YOU GET HIGHER NUMBERS.
AND SAFETY IS ONE OF THE, AS ROBBIE SAID, AND THAT'S WHY
BUT I THINK IF WE REDO OUR APPLICATION AND, AND WE PAY SOME ATTENTION TO THAT, IT MAY, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S KIND OF A, YEAH.
ISN'T IT WRONG FOR TRANSPORTATION.
GENTLEMAN SETS ONE THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR TRANSPORTATION WITH JOSH AND I.
AND, UM, YEAH, THEY SAID HAPPY CREEK DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FATAL.
SO SAD, BUT SO SAD TO HEAR THE CHIEF SPEAKING OF THIS NEW CONNECTOR THAT OPENS UP AN OPPORTUNITY.
SO WE ARE WORKING WITH VDOT TO HAVE AN A STUDY, NOT AN ENGINEERING REPORT, A STUDY, A FREE STUDY.
LAUREN AND THE COUNTY ARE DOING THAT SIMULTANEOUSLY.
HOW A HAPPY, SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
I I JUST THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKSTORY BECAUSE IT TOOK ME A COUPLE YEARS TO, EVEN WHEN Y'ALL KEPT TALKING ABOUT SMART SCALE, I'D BE LIKE, WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THAT? AND IT TOOK ME A WHILE, BUT NOW I GET IT.
AND THIS IS SUPER IMPORTANT THAT, UH, THAT WE GET HELP WITH THESE PROJECTS.
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STRUC OR CONSTRUCTION OF THAT IS SCHEDULED BEGIN IN 25TH OF MARCH AND END OF FEBRUARY OF 26TH.UM, EAST PROSPECT STREET BRIDGE, UM, WAS BUILT IN 1937.
AND THIS JUST KINDA GIVES YOU SOME OF THE STUFF OUTTA THE, UH, FEED OP BRIDGE INSPECTION, UH, REPORT THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, WE DID PUT OUT A BID IN APRIL 22.
UM, WE, WE ARE REQUESTING 300,024.
SO WE CAN APPLY FOR, TRY TO APPLY FOR REVENUE SHARING THROUGH BDOT.
UM, AND TRY TO AT LEAST GET SOMETHING STARTED WITH THAT TO GET SOME FUNDING PUT BACK.
I WISH WE COULD GET PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD TO COME DO A LITTLE FIELD TRIP AND RIDE OVER THAT BRIDGE HARBOR.
MAYBE THEY MIGHT TO SEE WHY THAT'S THE IMPORTANT CONCRETE BRIDGE OR PRECAST DECK.
WOULDN'T IT BE JUST LIKE THE ONE ON STONEWALL? YEAH.
WOULD IT BE LIKE, JUST LIKE THE ONE WE REPLACED ON STONEWALL A, IT'LL STILL BE ONE WAY, ONE LANE, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S GONNA REMAIN ONE LANE IN THE, CAUSE WE'D HAVE TO TEAR ALL THE ABUTS AND EVERYTHING.
BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE A PRECAST DECK.
UM, HAVE BETTER LIKE APPROACH, UH, RAILINGS AND, YOU KNOW, BE A LOT SAFER.
WE LAST YEAR FIELDED SEVERAL CALLS OF POP TIRES FROM THOSE RAILROAD TYPE THINGS STICKING OUT.
SEE, I DON'T KNOW YOU, I DON'T THINK I'M SAYING IS WE CAN'T TAKE FIRE TRUCKS ACROSS THAT BRIDGE.
CAUSE THERE'S A YEAH, THERE'S WEIGHT.
BECAUSE THEY HAD REDUCED IT THE ONE TIME AFTER THE, UH, INSPECTION.
BECAUSE THIS CAUSE FOR NEW BEAMS UNDERNEATH AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT WAY HOPEFULLY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BRING GRAIN BACK UP.
I, I'VE ACTUALLY EXPLAINED, PUT IT THAT WAY.
IT HAS, IT HAS SOME STUFF THERE.
UM, LIKE I SAID, OUT OF 40 LOCALITIES IT RANKED 33.
UM, IT'S SCORED AN 87, UM, OUT OF THE STANTON DISTRICT.
ONLY THE TOP 15 OUT OF THOSE FORTIES, UM, RECEIVED FUNDING FROM THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION.
UM, THE ESTIMATE ORIGINALLY FROM RRK AND K WAS, WAS A LITTLE OVER 12 MILLION.
UM, OF COURSE SMART SCALE FROM THE TIME YOU APPLIED, THE TIME CONSTRUCTION STARTS, IT'S USUALLY ABOUT 10 YEARS.
SO, UH, WHEN VDOT WENT IN AND ADJUSTED THE APPLICATION, TRIED TO HELP US ON, UM, THEY ACTUALLY CHANGED IT AND UPPED IT FOR THE INFLATION TO 16 MILLION, ALMOST 17 MILLION.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE HOPING WITH THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE, AND I GUESS PROBABLY WE NEED TO CALL YOU TO COME TO MAYBE THE NEXT ONE, BUT, UM, WITH THIS VDO C STUDY THAT THE TOWN AND COUNTY OR JOINTLY REQUESTING, THEY SAID IT TYPICALLY THEY HAD SUCCESS OUT ON UM, THREE 40 THE COUNTY LAST YEAR.
BUT TYPICALLY WHEN VDOT COMES IN AND DOES THIS STUDY THAT WE'RE REQUESTING, IT'S TO GO IN CONJUNCTION WITH 6 0 6.
SO PERHAPS EVEN CLOSING THAT ENTRANCE AND MOVING IT DOWN TO BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH LERON PARKWAY WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD.
UM, WHICH MOVES IT CLOSER TO THE HAIRPIN TURN.
BUT THEN WITH THE CONNECTOR ROAD, SO THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, THE JOINT COUNTY, WE HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING.
THERE IS RECORD OF THE MINUTES OF THAT.
UM, BUT I'LL HAVE TO GET WITH YOU ON THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE HOPING THAT THAT WOULD HELP SCORE DIFFERENTLY WITH VDOT GETTING INVOLVED WITH THE STUDY OF THE CONNECTOR AND LANDLOCK AND THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING OVER THERE.
CUZ I GUESS THREE MORE PROPERTIES HAVE CONTACTED THE TOWN AND COUNTY ABOUT DEVELOPMENT YEAH.
SO JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHEN YOU SAY THE STANTON DISTRICT MM-HMM.
BECAUSE WERE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT UM, UH, SOMEBODY ON THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD MENTIONED TO ME THAT, THAT WE OUGHTA GET WITH, UH, THEY EVEN GAVE ME A NAME, SOMEBODY WITH THE STANTON DISTRICT AND SAID YOU REALLY OUGHT TO DISCUSS WITH THEM, LIKE WHAT PART OF YOUR, LIKE WHAT PART OF YOUR APPLICATION DID YOU KNOW, MAYBE WHAT DIDN'T HELP YOU SCORE.
AND MAYBE THERE WAS, MAYBE THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T REALIZE TO PUT ON THERE.
SO I I BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ALREADY IN CONTACT WITH THOSE SAME PEOPLE.
WELL, ADAM, I FORGET WHAT HIS NAME WAS.
ADAM CAMPBELL THAT HELPED US WITH THE SOUTH STREET.
HE HELPS US WITH THIS APPLICATION.
SO WE WERE, WE WERE KIND OF HOPING FOR BETTER, BETTER OUTCOME.
UH, BUT IT CAUSE TO SHOW YOU THERE'S OTHER LOCALITIES THAT MAYBE THEY HAVE MORE SAFETY ISSUES THAN WE DO.
BUT YEAH, THE FATALITIES IN THE, UH, STANTON DISTRICT, THERE'S NINE, IT'S BROKE DOWN INTO NINE DISTRICTS, UM, THAT WE'RE IN.
UM, WE CAN REAPPLY IN 24, UM, FOR, UH, REVENUE SHARING.
I MEAN SMART SCALE, UM, REVENUE SHARING OPENS IN MAY.
SO I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING, TIM WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH 8 MILLION, 8 MILLION.
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CAN YOU FIND A MILLION DOLLARS? YEAH.CAN I ASK A QUESTION THOUGH? CAN YOU, I, I MEAN NOT BE SELFISH, BUT COULD YOU, COULD YOU APPLY FOR REVENUE SHARING? AND IF THEY SAY YES, BUT THEN YOU SAY, WELL HOLD WE WHAT IN 2024 WE'RE GONNA APPLY FOR SMART SCALE AND WHICHEVER ONE IS THE BETTER DEAL.
DOES IT NOT WORK LIKE THAT? WE'LL, HALF FOR REVENUE SHARING, YOU HAVE TO SHOW HALF OF IT UP.
BUT WE DID ASK A QUESTION IF WE COULD APPLY THIS FOR ENGINEERING, IF WE, IF WE WANTED TO DO A FULL SET OF PLANS CUZ THEN WE COULD GET THAT MUCH FUNDED YEAH.
TO, SO WE'RE KIND WAITING ON THAT ANSWER BACK FOR THAT.
BECAUSE THAT WAY IF WE CAN GIVE 'EM TO GIVE US SOME MONEY COUNT LIKE THE LIGHTS, THEN IT KIND MOVES.
I'M ALL ABOUT THAT IN THE RANKING ANGLE WE CAN THINK OF.
WE WORK EVERY ANGLE LIKE THAT.
WELL, AND THAT'S, SO WE DIDN'T REQUEST AN ENGINEERING STUDY.
WARREN AND KAREN ARE REQUESTING A VDOT STUDY THAT'S LIKE LESS IN DEPTH IN THE ENGINEERING STUDY, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE, ENGINEERING HELPS US SCORE BETTER.
AND WHEN R KK DID A ROUGH YEAH.
DRAWING FOR US THAT WE APPLIED WITHIN THE APPLICATION AND IT HAS TO BE FATALITIES FOR THE SAFETY.
AND THEN DEVELOPMENT, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UM, YOU REALLY DON'T GET ANYTHING.
IT HAS TO BE LIKE ALMOST IN THE PHASES OF BEING BUILT LIKE THE HOSPITAL, THE SCHOOL NOW THAT'S COMPLETED MM-HMM.
BUT YEAH, IT DOES, SAFETY'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES OUT OF IT.
THAT'S WHY TRANSPORTATION, YOU DON'T HAVE FATALITIES THERE.
UM, THIS, SORRY, THIS SLIDE BREAKS DOWN THE, UH, STANTON DISTRICT, I MEAN BREAKS DOWN, I'M SORRY.
ALL THE DISTRICTS, UM, WERE IN STANTON.
SO THIS KINDA SHOWS YOU THE FUNDING, UM, WHERE IT WAS BROKE UP.
AS YOU CAN SEE STANTON GOT WAY LESS THAN THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
IT'S A HAMPTON ROADS, YOU KNOW, BURG, LOT OF THOSE AREAS.
UH, BUT CALL'S, NOT THAT CALL RIVER'S, NOT CALL RIVER'S KIND OF RURAL LIKE US.
WELL, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE ONE OF THE BIG HIT, UH, VDI, UH, HEADQUARTERS IS.
UM, THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF THE 15 PROJECTS, UM, THAT DID GET APPROVED IN SMART SCALE.
THERE'S THE 3 46 APPROVED AND IF YOU LOOK MOST OF 'EM SIX, SEVEN, OTHER THAN THERE WAS ONE FOR ABOUT 37, UM, THERE AND FREDERICK COUNTY WINCHESTER, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 30 SOMETHING.
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS ABOUT SIX, SEVEN MEN.
UM, EVEN MARYVILLE ABOUT 4 MILLION.
UM, PRIMARY PAVING, UM, LIKE BJ SAID, WE APPLIED FOR PRIMARY EXTENSIONS.
UH, WE APPLIED FOR A SECTION OF, UH, NORTH ROYAL WHERE WE WANTED TO DO THE WATER.
UM, AND WE APPLIED FOR TWO SECTIONS ON ONE COMMERCE.
UM, THESE TWO SECTIONS, UM, EQUALS OUT FROM UH, COMMERCE AROUND TO FOURTH, SORRY.
UM, ON THE PRIMARY EXTENSIONS YOU CAN ONLY APPLY, ONE HAS TO BE PRIMARY ROADS.
UM, BUT SECOND, THEY SEND YOU A LIST EVERY YEAR BASED OFF THE RATINGS WHEN IT, OR EARLIER WHEN IT COMES OPEN THAT YOU CAN APPLY FOR.
SO YOU CAN'T APPLY FOR JUST ANY PRIMARY.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY, UH, RULE WE TRIED TO APPLY FOR BECAUSE OF THE, UH, WATER LINE.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, COMMERCE, UM, IT, IT COULD USE IT TOO.
SO WE, AND WE HAVE SOME SEWER WORKER TO DO.
SO IF WE CAN GET THAT DONE AFTER THAT WOULD MAKE IT NICE IF THAT WOULD HELP SAVE SOME MONEY WITH THOSE PROJECTS.
SO IF WE WERE TO GET THAT FUNDING, WE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A BUDGET MEMBER REQUEST, THEN WE WOULD TRY TO PUT THAT MONEY TO TOWARDS THE SECONDARY PAVING.
ROBBIE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, ROYAL AVENUE? MM-HMM.
SO THERE'S LIKE A SIGN OUT THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT LIKE THE LARGER TRUCKS AND STUFF IN THE IDEA.
SUPPOSED TO BE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO, I CALL IT THE BYPASS, BUT YEAH.
I, I JUST WAS CURIOUS CUZ UH, SOME PEOPLE MENTIONED TO ME THEY, THEY WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT LIKE HOW SOME OF THESE LARGER VEHICLES STILL KEEP USING RURAL AVENUE AND THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT SEEM LIKE IT OVER TIME, THE WEIGHT OF THAT WEARS DOWN THOSE ROADS VERSUS COMMERCE AVENUE, THE WAY IN WHICH IT WAS BUILT, IT'S SUPPOSED IT IT CAN HANDLE THAT LARGER WEIGHT VEHICLES.
I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THEY'RE, DO YOU, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT THAT MAYBE THAT ADDITIONAL TRUCKS IS HEAVIER AND WAY MORE DOWN
UM, I MEAN LIKE ERIC, WHEN YOU COME DOWN THE HILL AT UH YEAH.
I MEAN THAT IS DEFINITELY FROM, FROM BIGGER VEHICLES, YOU KNOW.
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OLDER AND STARTED PUMPING THERE.UM, AND AND CHIEF, YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THE TRUCK ROUTE IS IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH TOWN, IT'S ONLY IF YOU HAVE A, OR IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ONLY IF YOU HAVE A DELIVERY IN TOWN.
IT'S FUNNY YOU MENTIONED IT CUZ THE TRACTOR AND TRAILER BLEW BY ME AT SUBWAY TODAY AND I'M LIKE, WHAT THE HECK? AND HE WAS NOT, HE WAS LOST.
HE KNEW HE HAD MADE A WRONG TURN CUZ HE COULDN'T TURN TO GET OUT.
AND THE IDEA STILL WHEN THEY'VE GOT DELIVERIES, THEY'RE ALLOWED.
BUT HE DID, IT WAS JUST A DISCOURAGE.
HE KNEW HE WAS MESSED UP CUZ HE GOT A SIXTH STREET LIGHT AND WAS CONFUSED
BUT THEN SOMEBODY SAID TO ME THAT REALLY THE IDEA WAS TOO, THAT THEY WEREN'T, UM, THEY'RE FELT DIFFERENT, THEY WEREN'T WEARING DOWN OUR STREETS AND THAT THAT MAY BE WHY WE, YOU KNOW, ARE HAVING PAVING ISSUES SOONER.
SO I, I JUST WAS CURIOUS IF WE YEAH, IF YOU HAD ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT CUZ MAYBE FORCING THEM TO USE COMMERCE AVENUE MIGHT, MIGHT HELP OVER TIME.
SO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ONE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TRUCK ROUTE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF YOUR PRIMARIES, YOU KNOW, INTERSECTIONS ARE USUALLY BIGGER FOR ONE THAN SECONDARY.
SO THAT HELPS, YOU KNOW, BIG TRUCKS TURNING.
UM, USUALLY YOUR PRIMARIES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MORE OPTIONS THERE.
YOU KNOW, THEY USUALLY GET PAID MORE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY GET MORE TRAFFIC.
UM, WE GET MORE FUNDING TO PUT TOWARDS PAVING, UM, PRIMARY ROADS WE GET 24,000, LIKE THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY, TWO SIXTY FIVE I THINK IT IS PER LANE MILE.
UM, SECONDARIES WE GET LIKE 14,000.
SO IT'S ALWAYS $10,000 MORE PER LANE MILE FOR PRIMARIES COMPARED TO SECONDARIES.
IS COMMERCE AVENUE CONSIDERED? I THOUGHT COMMERCE AVENUE WAS CONSIDERED A BYPASS THOUGH.
WELL IT IS CONSIDERED A PRIMARY THOUGH.
BUT IT IS, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I JUST, SOMEBODY I I I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION, THE PERSON, BUT THEY TOLD ME THAT WHEN COMMERCE AVENUE WAS BUILT, THERE WAS WAS A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE ON LIKE WHATEVER THE WORD, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, LIKE THE UNDER PART OF IT WAS SAY IT PROBABLY HAS MORE BASE.
THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S SO IT WOULDN'T WEAR DOWN AS QUICKLY.
AND SO THE IDEA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THOSE LARGER VEHICLES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING ON COMMERCE, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH TOWN ON ROYAL AVENUE.
SO ANYWAY, JUST THOUGHT I'D BRING IT UP.
A LOT OF YOUR SECONDARIES DON'T HAVE NEAR THE BASE OR THE FOUNDATION AS YOUR PRIMARY.
WE HAD SOME SECONDARY STREETS FLASHING ALL THAT PAVEMENT.
THE ASPHALT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE, ON THE, ON THE DIRT AND WE WENT BACK, YOU KNOW, OVER MILLED AND PUT STONE DOWN CUZ THERE WAS NO, NOTHING UNDER.
UM, UH, WE'LL KNOW WHEN WE SHOULD KNOW IN, UH, DECEMBER, OCTOBER, SORRY, WE APPLIED DECEMBER, WE SHOULD KNOW IN OCTOBER.
UM, IF WE GET THAT FUNDING FOR THAT, LIKE BJ SAID, THEN WE COULD PUT THAT MONEY TOWARDS OTHER PAVING FOR THAT.
UH, SECONDARIES, LIKE BJ SAID RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE.
UH, WE DO HAVE MONEY ON A PO FROM LAST YEAR, UM, FROM WHEN WE FINISHED BRAXTON MANASAS AND JOHN MARSHALL.
WE CAN FINISH PAVING THOSE TO MAKE ALL THOSE NICE AND SMOOTH.
JOHN MARSHALL'S A SECONDARY, UH, PRIMARY.
OH, ACTUALLY NO, THAT'S NOT, THAT SHOULDN'T BE ORDER.
THAT IS, THAT'S A PRIMARY, DON'T FORGET ABOUT THESE SMALLER STREETS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY ON OAK STREET? OAK STREET, UH, SHERWOOD.
ALL THOSE ARE IN THE, THE LANDLINE, UH, THAT IT OH YEAH.
THEY'RE IN THE, UH, PAVING PLAN.
AND ACTUALLY MOST ALL THOSE NEED WATER.
WE DON'T WANNA PAVE 'EM BEFORE THEY HAVE WATER.
ROBBIE, I'M AMAZED AT, I LIVE, UH, ON JACKSON AND LITTLE BIT, AND I'M AMAZED TO SEE 40 FOOT SEMIS COME DOWN.
HOW THE HECK THEY GET FROM ROYAL, UH, COMING EAST, UH, TO INTERSECT WITH COMMERCE AMAZES ME.
THEY'LL, AND THEY, THEY TEAR TREES UP.
I MEAN, WHY ARE THEY, ISN'T THAT, IS THAT SILENT COMING DOWN JACKSON? I MEAN, THERE'S NO, THERE'S THERE'S NO SIGNAGE PREVENTING NO, THERE'S NOT, MAN.
SO MAYBE WE NEED THEY'LL TEAR UP SOME TREES HAPPEN.
THEY HAVE TO USE JACKSON BECAUSE THAT'S DELIVERY, DELIVERY LANE.
SO THEY'RE SOME OF THE FRONTS SURE.
KNOW THAT THE FIRST CAR, ONCE YOU GET OFF OF, OF ROYAL BACK.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JACKSON HERE A WHILE AGO.
STONEWALL'S REALLY BAD TO PUT ALL THE UPPER IN ON, ON THE WEST END.
NO DELIVERIES ARE GOING UP THERE THAN THE L FK CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW THOUGH.
YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
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IT'S BAD.ROBBIE SIGNAGE WILL BE ANOTHER, I DON'T THINK HE MAY HANG QUESTIONS.
THEY GET STARTED TALKING AMONGST, I THINK YOU ROBBIE.
IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS, YOU ASK ROBBIE.
WE'RE GONNA, UM, LAUREN IS GONNA PRESENT TO US ABOUT THE COMPREHEND PLAN OF DAYS.
SO THESE ONE OF, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BACK WHEN I STARTED.
UM, AND SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS IS OUR GUIDING DOCUMENT.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL FRONT ROYAL BE IN THE NEXT 20, 30, 40 YEARS.
THESE ARE ALL BIG PICTURE IDEAS.
UM, BUT THIS PROVIDES THE GUIDE FOR THE PUBLIC, GET THE GUIDE FOR DEVELOPERS AND, UM, ANY STAKEHOLDERS.
UM, AND THIS PLAN IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REWRITE.
AND, UM, IT, IT, IT IS ONE, IT'S IN STATE CODE FRESH TO UPDATE THIS AND RE CERTIFI BY IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
BUT ALSO, UM, A LOT HAS CHANGED, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
UM, SO THIS PROCESS IS JUST BRINGING EVERYTHING UP TO DATE.
UM, THE LAST CONFERENCE PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 1998.
AMENDMENTS WERE MADE IN 2012, AND I BELIEVE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS REVIEWED IT SEVERAL TIMES.
UM, BUT THIS IS A COMPLETE OVERHAULS.
AND THEN THE REASON THAT WE UPDATE THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ALONG WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ARE THE STRONGEST LIKE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE, UM, TO IMPLEMENT IT.
SO IT BRINGS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO FRUITION, AND THIS WILL MAKE SURE THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES HERE IS IN LINE WITH WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT.
SO HERE'S JUST A, A QUICK TIMELINE.
UH, THE FIRST MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH COUNSEL WAS BACK IN AUGUST OR OCTOBER OF 2021.
WE HAD KICKOFF MEETINGS AT THE PAVILION IN NOVEMBER.
UM, AND THEN THE EXIST, WE PUT OUT THE SURVEY AND WE HAD EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT AND SURVEY RESULTS IN THE DECEMBER JANUARY RANGE.
UM, AND THE WAY THIS WORKED IS PLANNING COMMISSION WAS GIVEN THESE PIECES AS WE GOT 'EM.
AND I, I BELIEVE COUNSEL SAW SOME OF THESE AS WELL.
SO ABOUT THE PROCESS, IT WAS LITTLE BITS HERE AND THERE.
AND THEN, UM, WE HELD OUR PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES AND THEN BY JULY WE HAD A DRAFT CONFERENCE, A PLAN THAT WAS PUT ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE AND RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC AND ALSO PLAN COMMISSION AND COUNCIL MET SOMEWHERE IN THERE TOO.
AND PLANNING COMMISSION OR COUNCIL AND FREDA EVEN MET ON IT TOO.
UM, SO BY SEPTEMBER WE HAD REALLY THE FIRST SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE CONFERENCE PLAN, TO THE LAYOUT OF IT.
THIS IS WHERE WE KIND OF MADE THE FIRST CHANGES TO THE VISION STATEMENT.
UM, AND JUST KIND OF LIKE THE, THE HIERARCHY, WHICH I'LL GET TO IN A MINUTE.
UM, BUT IN OCTOBER WE RELEASED ANOTHER DRAFT.
WE HELD ANOTHER PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU ATTENDED.
AND THEN, UM, WE HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING IN NOVEMBER.
AND SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS REQUESTED SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES, UM, AND THE HOPE IS THAT WEDNESDAY NIGHT, THIS WEDNESDAY WE WILL HAVE A WORK SESSION.
AND THEN THE FIRST WEEK OF APRIL WE'LL HAVE THE FINAL WORK SESSION ON THIS.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY THEY WILL CERTIFY IT IN APRIL AND I'LL PUSH IT FORWARD TO YOU GUYS TODAY.
OH, IT HAVE TO BE, MAY THEY NEED TO CERTIFY IT FIRST IN HOME PUBLIC HEARING.
WE CAN GET INTO, UM, THE DIVISION.
SO THIS REALLY, THE VISION WAS DEVELOPED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND FROM THE SURVEY RESULTS AND JUST TAKING FEEDBACK THAT, UH, THE CITIZENS HERE, UH, STATED.
SO THE, THE WHOLE THEME OF THIS CONVERSATION PLAN REALLY REVOLVES AROUND INSTILLING PRIDE IN OUR CITIZENS.
AND THERE, THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF APATHY IN TOWN AND, AND THE WHOLE THING IS TO GET, GET PAST THAT.
SO, UM, IT'S THE, THE TOWN OF PRINT WORLD WILL BE A PLACE RESIDENTS ARE PROUD TO CALL HOME.
IT WILL SERVE THE NEEDS OF ALL CITIZENS BY ARE PROMOTING ECONOMIC PROSPERITY AND ENCOURAGING HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT WHILE PRESERVING SMALL TOWN CHAR.
AND THIS WILL BE AN ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS COMMUNITY THAT PROTECTS ITS NATURAL RESOURCES.
AND SO FROM THIS VISION, WE GET THESE FOUR BIG IDEAS AND THAT IS PRESERVE OUR HISTORY AND CREATE MORE OF THE CHARM THAT WE LOVE.
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OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN OUR FEEDBACK, IT WAS, WE LOVE THE DOWNTOWN.WELL, OUR, OUR CURRENT ZONING REGULATIONS DON'T ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF DOWNTOWN.
THE OTHER FOCUS, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST FOCUS, IS A LIFELONG COMMUNITY.
SO YOU WANT THIS COMMUNITY TO, UM, BE A PLACE WHERE YOUR CHILDREN CAN GROW UP AND STAY OR WHERE PEOPLE CAN AGE IN PLACE.
UM, AND THEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A BIG ISSUE.
WE DO HAVE A BIT OF A HOUSING SHORTAGE HERE AND A, AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROBLEM.
AND THEN ENVIRONMENTAL ACCESS OR SUSTAINABILITY.
WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO, UM, BE LOCATED ON THE SHENANDOAH AND HAVE ACCESS TO SKYLINE.
UM, AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT.
SO THESE BIG IDEAS ARE THEN BROKEN DOWN INTO CORE TOPICS.
UM, AND WITH THE CORE TOPICS, WE HAVE GOALS AND STRATEGIES.
AND THAT'S WHAT, UM, EACH OF THESE ARE.
SO LIKE WITH TOURISM, DEVELOP TOURISM ATTRACTIONS TO FURTHER ELEVATE THE TOWN'S IMAGE.
BUT FOR EACH OF THESE WE HAVE JUST SOMETHING TO FOCUS ON.
UM, AND THEN WE GET TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THIS IS THE GUIDING PORTION FOR LIKE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WITH THIS MAP AND THESE CATEGORIES SHOW US ARE THE AREAS OF TOWN THAT IN THE FUTURE WE WOULD SAY, HEY, WE WANNA HAVE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT HERE.
WE WANT INDUSTRIAL HERE, WE WANT SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL IN THESE PLACES.
AND WE'VE LOOKED AT WHERE IS IT MOST APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THESE? WHERE DO WE HAVE IT NOW? WHERE DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO START SHIFTING THINGS AROUND? AND WHAT YOU'LL ALSO SEE IS THAT HATCHED GREEN AREA THAT IS THE FLOOD, UM, ZONE AND FLOODWAY IN TOWN.
AND SO IN OUR CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE, WE HAVE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY IN THAT AREA.
WE HAVE AN OVERLAY SO THAT DOWN THE ROAD IS BUSINESSES, BUSINESSES CLOSED AND THINGS CHANGE.
UM, WE CAN START JUST PLANNING FOR WHAT WORKS BEST THERE IN THE FUTURE.
UH, ONE, UH, I THOUGHT WE HAD MENTIONED THAT A LONG TIME AGO, BUT THE KEY FOR THAT GREEN SHADED AREA, THE GREEN SLOTTED AREA MM-HMM.
UM, ARE WE STILL KEEPING THAT MIXED USE CORRIDOR? NO.
SO THAT'S WHAT WELL PLANNING COMMISSION IS, UM, HAS REQUESTED THAT THAT COME OFF.
UM, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON WEDNESDAY.
AND THEN I THINK THAT PLANNING COMMISSION WILL ALSO BE, UM, REVIEWING SOME CHANGES TO LIKE THE LIGHT FLEX INDUSTRIAL AND, AND REALLY DEFINING OUT WHAT IS MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED USE LOOK LIKE.
TYPICALLY WE WOULD GET INTO THAT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCES AND SUBDIVISION RATE, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE APPREHENSION HAS BEEN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE MM-HMM.
SO STAFF IS KIND OF GETTING THAT PORTION TOGETHER AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT'LL HELP MOVE SOME THINGS ALONG.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE, THE ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE SMART SCALE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ON THE AREAS THAT WE NEED THE FUNDING.
WE HAVE IT SLATED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE DISCUSSION IS, IS THAT THE BEST USE OF THE LAND? RIGHT.
AND THAT'S PART OF, UM, I THINK THAT'LL BE THE PORTION OF WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
AND THEN THE WORK SESSION ON APRIL 6TH IS WHAT IS APPROPRIATE UP IN THIS, UM, LIKE THE MARSHALL PLANNING AREA OF TOWN.
UM, AND THE NUMBER 12 AND 15, NO, AND MARSHALL, THIS IS OUR UNDEVELOPED, IT'S LARGELY UNDEVELOPED.
SO THESE ARE OUR OPPORTUNITY AREAS TO REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS TOWN.
DO WE KIND OF REMAIN A BEDROOM COMMUNITY? UM, DO WE START TRYING TO FOCUS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE? THAT'S IT WHERE WE NEED
UM, BUT THE PLANNING AREAS, WE HAVE A SECTION ON EACH ONE.
THIS IS JUST ONE OF 'EM, BUT IT, IT GOES INTO DETAIL OF WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE SHOULD BE.
WE OUTLINE OPPORTUNITIES, CHALLENGES, AND THEN WE COME UP WITH ACTION STRATEGIES.
THESE ACTION STRATEGIES, UM, COME TOGETHER TO CREATE THIS IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX.
AND I BELIEVE THIS IS PROVIDED TO COUNSEL IN THEIR PACKETS.
SO THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN GRAY, THESE ARE THE ACTUAL, UM, OBJECTIVES AND THEN THE STRATEGIES ARE LISTED UNDERNEATH.
SO WITH THESE ITEMS WE HAVE THE ACTUAL STRATEGY ITSELF AND THEN SUGGESTED IMPLEMENTATION DATES AND THEN LIKE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT? SO STAFF, IS IT, YOU KNOW, EAC, IS IT FRIDA COUNSEL,
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PC? UM, AND I THINK THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART FOR THIS BODY TO FOCUS.THIS IS CERTAINLY HELPFUL, IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS, I MEAN THIS WEEK.
SO, UM, BUT THIS HAS LIKE SMALL TOWN CHARACTER.
IT HAS TOURISM, TRANSPORTATION.
SO WHEN COUNCIL'S FIGURING OUT YOUR, YOUR BIG GOALS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA GO INTO TRANSPORTATION, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU GO TO THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION AND LOOK AT THESE STRATEGIES AND THE OBJECTIVES AND THEY'LL KIND OF JUST GIVE YOU A STARTING PLACE.
UM, BUT HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, SMALL TOWN CHARACTER, RELIABLE UTILITIES AND SERVICES, ALL OF THE CORE TOPICS THAT ARE MENTIONED IN THIS PLAN, WE HAVE A MATRIX.
SO THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA BE FOLLOWING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AS COUNCIL PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO STAFF TO SAY, HEY, TAKE UP THESE ISSUES.
I START CHECKING THINGS OFF THE BOX.
ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I LOVED IT.
AND THEN SO AFTER WEDNESDAY NIGHT, WE WILL KNOW EVEN MORE WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, WHICH WEEK TWEAKS THEY MAKE.
SO, AND THEN THAT'LL, THIS WILL BE UPDATED AGAIN.
SO I'M WORKING ON A SPREADSHEET.
IT'S PRETTY BIG, BUT WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS TAKE PLANNING COMMISSION LINE BY LINE THROUGH IT AND ON THIS PAGE, YOU KNOW, THIS CHANGE, LIKE I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, JUST TYPOS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THEN I'VE GOT MAP CHANGES.
AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT LAND USE CATEGORY CHANGES.
UM, I KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, SO IN THE PAST PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL.
THIS ESSENTIALLY CREATES A MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL ZONE, BUT THERE'S, THEY WANT THE WORDING CLARIFIED A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, AND AGING IN PLACE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING SOMETHING IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE MOTHER-IN-LAW APARTMENTS TO BE ADDED ON.
UM, OR JUST ALLOWING MORE MULTI-FAMILY OR CONDO YEAH.
THE FEEDBACK I'VE BEEN GENERALLY GETTING OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THERE'S THIS NEGATIVE CONNOTATION AND THIS HUGE FEAR FACTOR WHEN YOU MENTION AFFORDABLE HOUSING PEOPLE LIKE CRINGE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ACTUALLY NOT SOME DISGUSTING OBJECT.
I MEAN IT'S VERY MUCH A NEED AND IT'S VERY MUCH JUST WHAT IT IS.
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S NOT, BUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN, CAN MEAN SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RIGHT, THERE'S SETBACKS OR RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE, BUT EVEN LIKE YOU JUST TALKED LIKE MULTI-FAMILY AND DIFFERENT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT A BUNCH OF $600,000 DEVELOPMENT HOMES ARE WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT STATE ON THERE.
I KNOW PEOPLE ARE VERY OPINIONATED WHEN THEY HEAR THAT TERM.
BUT, BUT THE STATE CODE ALSO REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE PROVISIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING LOW INCOME HOUSING AS WELL.
AND JUST ONE OTHER THING IS NOT LOW INCOME AND IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO PLAN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN WARREN COUNTY.
UNDER U S D A GUIDELINES IS UP TO $130,000 MEDIAN INCOMING A YEAR FOR A FAMILY OF ONE TO FOUR.
SO AFFORDABLE HOUSING'S NOT LOW INCOME.
THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THAT.
JUST AN ADDITIONAL THING FOR COUNCIL, ANYBODY NEW OR MAYBE ISN'T AWARE OF IT, IS THAT WE HIRED A COMPANY THAT HELPED US WITH THIS TWO SUMMIT.
UM, AND SO THEY TOOK, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC'S INPUT AND STAFF'S INPUT AND COUNCIL'S INPUT AND PC'S INPUT AND FRIDA'S INPUT AND, YOU KNOW, UM, AND SO WHEN LAUREN HAS TO GO IN AND CHANGE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE SENT YOU MULTIPLE VERSIONS OF IT AND LAUREN CONTINUES TO, TO, TO UPDATE IT AND SO SOON.
AND THEY, AND THEY ACTUALLY, I THINK WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE DONE WITH THEM BY JANUARY.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE STILL, SO THE INITIAL PLAN WAS THAT THE, UM, COMP PLAN WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED LAST SUMMER AND THEN AT THIS POINT WE WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVING THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
BUT WHEN YOU START GETTING FEEDBACK IN THE COMMUNITY, IT, IT CAN SOMETIMES TAKE LONGER AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
BUT THIS, THESE OBJECTIVES AND THESE GOALS, EVERYTHING IN THIS PLAN ARE DERIVED FROM THE 300 SURVEY RESPONSE, THE 300 PLUS SURVEY RESPONSES WE RECEIVED AND JUST INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO ANYTIME I GET AN EMAIL OR A PHONE CALL, WE RECORD IT AND THEN WE PASS IT ALONG THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE'RE
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TRYING TO DO IT RIGHT FROM THE START.IT'S, IT'S DIALED IN WHERE THE TOWN EVEN KNOWS IF IT'S LOCAL PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONDING.
SO THERE'S AN EMPHASIS ON THAT.
SO LIKE 84% OF THE RESPONDENTS IN THE SURVEY LIVED IN TOWN.
AND THEN, I MEAN, WE HAD SOME RESPONSES LIKE KANSAS
FOR THE MOST PART IT WAS TOWN AND COUNTY AS LONG AS PEOPLE OWNED SECOND OR INVESTMENT HOMES HERE.
AND ALSO THEY GAVE OUT CARDS TOO TO QR CODE.
SO ANYBODY COULD, COULD, UH, GIVE INPUT.
THE LAST THING I WOULD JUST ADD IS I'D LIKE TO IMPOR COUNSEL ANYBODY WHO DIDN'T READ THIS MATRIX FROM PAGE 76 TO PAGE 81, IT IS ALL COVERING TRANSPORTATION.
WE HEARD FROM BJ EARLIER THAT WE HAD TO MOVE THE FUNDS THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR.
COUNCIL DECIDED FOR TRANSPORTATION WERE IMPORTANT.
WHEN YOU THINK OF TRANSPORTATION, IT'S NOT JUST DRIVING THROUGH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
THERE'S THINGS ON HERE REGARDING PARKING, UM, BEING COMPLIANT WITH THE ADA CURBS, RAMPS.
UM, THE VISION FOR PARKING, TRAFFIC, WALKABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY.
I MEAN, TRANSPORTATION IS SOMETHING MUCH LARGER THAN JUST OUR PLANNING AND IT'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
IT'S JUST AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONFINED TO A WHEELCHAIR AND THEIR MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION AROUND THIS ENTIRE TOWN OR OUR SIDEWALKS, RAMPS, ET CETERA.
UM, SO I JUST HEARD SOME FEEDBACK THAT, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION, BUT I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS.
IT'S MUCH LARGER THAN JUST DRIVING AROUND TOWN.
BUT IT'S ALSO, I MEAN, AND, AND THESE GOALS KIND OF OVERLAP.
SO IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ENCOURAGING SENIOR COMMUNITIES IN TOWN, BUT YOU, WHAT YOU ALSO WANNA DO IS LOCATE THEM NEAR TROLLEY STOPS.
WITH TROLLEY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT EXPANSION, QUARTER OF A MILE IS AS THE FARTHEST DISTANCE SOMEBODY IS GONNA WALK.
AND, AND FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER ANYTHING WALKABLE.
SO IF THERE'S NOT A TROLLEY STOP WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE, THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT, THEN IT'S NOT SERVING ITS PURPOSE.
IF THE PURPOSE IS GONNA BE FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION MM-HMM.
THEY'RE GENERAL, BUT THEY'RE HERE.
AND WHAT STAFF WILL DO IS TAKE THESE AND KIND OF TRANSLATE THEM INTO ACTUAL ACTIONS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHEN PC SAYS, UM, DON'T GO AWAY CAUSE I'VE GOT SOMETHING ELSE DURING OPEN, I WANNA BRING UP.
SO NEXT UP IS OPEN, AND I HAVE TWO THINGS.
ONE, UM, SO JUST REMINDING EVERYBODY ABOUT THE RETREAT AND, UM, GETTING YOUR DINNER SELECTION IN, UH, BEFORE YOU LEAVE HERE TONIGHT.
IF YOU HAVEN'T, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND ALSO YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE GETTING SOME QUESTIONS AND EMAIL.
UM, AND THEN ONE LAST THING THAT I, I, AND THEN OPEN TO EVERYBODY, THIS IS AN UNPLEASANT CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST AM FEELING COMPELLED, UM, TO BRING THIS UP.
SO WE ARE JUST GETTING SO MUCH GRIEF THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AND JUST EVERYONE ABOUT VAPE SHOPS IN OUR TOWN.
AND SO, AND, AND I KNOW THAT IF YOU ALL ARE, LIKE, LITERALLY IN THE LAST WEEK I'VE BEEN WITH FRIENDS, FAMILY, AND WHAT'S UP WITH THAT? SO I JUST, AND, AND INSTEAD OF ME HAVING TO REPEAT AND REPEAT AND REPEAT, I WAS HOPING THAT MAYBE ISH COULD JUST GIVE JUST A LITTLE EXPLANATION ABOUT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA IS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE ARE OUT, UM, SOLICITING COME TO TOWN, OR THAT WE CAN IN SOME WAYS SAY YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T.
SO COULD YOU JUST GIVE, COULD YOU JUST, YEAH, FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE NOT SOLICITING, BUT WE ALSO ARE NOT DISCRIMINATING AGAINST IT EITHER.
SO, VAPE STORES FALL UNDER RETAIL USES.
UM, WE CANNOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THAT PRODUCT THAT THEY SELL.
UM, SO THE RECENT VAPE STORES THAT HAVE COME IN, THEY'VE COME IN, THEY'VE GOTTEN THEIR ZONING PERMITS.
I HAVE NO CONTROL, I HAVE TO SIGN OFF OF THESE.
IF THEY, THEY FIT THE ZONING CATEGORY, THEY GET APPROVED, WE HAVE THEM SIGN, UM, SUBMIT PERMITS FOR SIGNAGE.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE THAN THREE SIGNS.
AND THAT INCLUDES POSTERS IN THE WINDOW.
SO IF THOSE, IF THEY HANG POSTERS UP AND THEY HAVE, IF THEY PUT FOUR OF 'EM UP AND THEN THEY'VE STILL GOT A SIGN UP ON TOP, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION AND WE SEND OUT LETTERS, UM, WHEN THEY HANG, IF THEY HANG, LIKE STRING LIGHTS UP THAT VIOLATION IF, YOU KNOW, IF ANYTHING'S FLASHING.
AND WE ADDRESS ALL OF THAT THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, AN ENTRANCE CORRIDOR, THEN ENTRANCE, ANOTHER ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.
SO IN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR, COLORS HAVE TO BE MUTED.
SO IF THEY PAINT SOMETHING AND IT IS A BRIGHT COLOR, UM, THEY
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NEED TO GET APPROVAL.AND, AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT AS WELL.
NOW, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD.
NO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, AND I UNDERSTAND WE ALL UNDERSTAND FREE ENTERPRISE AND WE LOVE IT.
THAT'S WHAT BUILDS THIS COUNTRY.
IT BOTHERS ME THAT THERE ARE SO MANY AND THEY'RE POPPING UP IN ODD PLACES, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEY'RE POPPING UP AS AN ENTRANCE TO OUR COMMUNITY IN BRIGHT COLORS.
I MEAN, YOU COME IN OFF, YOU COME OFF THE, UH, THROUGH RIVERTON NOW ON YOUR, ON THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF, UH, UH, UH, OF THE, OF SHENANDOAH.
THERE, UH, YOU'VE GOT THAT, THAT'S PRETTY BRIGHT.
ANYWAY, IT'S KIND OF EMBARRASSING.
I, YOU GOTTA WONDER WHY THERE'S SO MANY COMING IN HERE.
WELL, WE HAVE RECEIVED FEEDBACK THAT WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A CIGARETTE TAX, WHEREAS OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO.
YEAH, THERE'S A HIGHER SALES TAX.
35% I BELIEVE WE LEARNED LAST YEAR.
I WHAT IT IS, IT IS RATHER CONCERNING THAT THERE ARE SO MANY, SO CONVENIENT.
DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER? CUZ THERE'S UP TO 13.
THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE, THE, THE TOP ONE.
WE GO AND DO IS HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WHERE WE SAY, CERTAINLY TOBACCO ESTABLISHMENTS CAN'T BE WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OR CERTAIN DISTANCE OF A CHURCH, DAYCARE SCHOOL.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN PUT IN THE OWN ORDINANCE.
AND WE VISITED THIS LAST YEAR, SO I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS THIS WEEK ABOUT IT TOO.
PEOPLE THINK THAT COUNCIL APPROVES BUSINESSES.
SO FOR THE PEOPLE WATCHING HOME, THE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT, COUNCIL DOES NOT SEE APPLICATIONS FOR BUSINESS PERMITS.
IF YOU'RE WITHIN THE LAW AND YOU APPLY FOR A BUSINESS PERMIT AND YOU BUY YOUR BUILDING OR RENT YOUR SPACE, WE DON'T SEE AND REGULATE THAT.
UM, BUT WE DID HEAR THIS LAST YEAR, THE REASON IT IS COMING IS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THC TO BE LEGALIZED IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
AND THEY'RE IN LINE FOR THEIR PERMITS TO SELL MARIJUANA.
BUT, AND, AND I'VE HEARD THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT IF YOU THINK EVEN IF THEY LEGALIZED IT, THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN NUMBER PERMITS, THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PERMITS THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS ALREADY SAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE OUT PER LOCALITY.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHEN WE VISITED IT LAST YEAR, WE DIDN'T HAVE SEVEN ON SOUTH STREET.
THERE'S CURRENTLY SEVEN ON SOUTH STREET ALONE RIGHT NOW, AT THE MOMENT.
AND NOW IT, IT'S ALSO VAPE IS NEXT DOOR TO THE MARTIN, UH, GAS STATION.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NEXT DOOR TO MARTIN'S.
BUT ANYWAY, WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, WE VISITED THIS LAST YEAR.
IT WAS IN LAST YEAR'S COUNCIL RETREAT.
THE PROBLEM THAT WE RAN INTO WAS THE ONLY THING WE COULD DO WAS TIGHTEN OUR ZONING REGULATIONS.
BECAUSE AS A PRETTY CONSERVATIVE COUNCIL WHO ALSO ENJOYS FREE ENTERPRISE, AT WHAT POINT DO WE START REGULATING BUSINESSES? AND I'M NOT FINISHED AND SAYING LIKE, AT, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU SAY WE JUST DON'T LIKE YOUR TYPE OF BUSINESS.
AND IT'S, IT'S DISCRIMINATORY.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE IMPLEMENTED THE LIGHT RESTRICTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE DO HAVE SOME PLACES THAT ARE BREAKING THOSE RIGHT NOW.
SOMEBODY SENT ME A VIDEO THE OTHER NIGHT OF THE OLD PIZZA HUT, THE NEW ONE, AND IT'S FLASHING AND THEY'VE, AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE FLASHING.
AND OUR PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT IS DEFINITELY TAKING CARE OF THAT.
SO THAT LET THOSE LETTERS OUT THE NEXT AND WE, YEAH.
SO I'M, I'M JUST GONNA GO AROUND AND SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO OFFER ANYTHING ELSE.
JUST CUZ I WANT EVERYBODY, I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE AGAIN, THE REASON WHY I ASKED MS. KISHK TO SPEAK TO IT IS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT, THAT THE FACTS DON'T ALWAYS GET OUT.
AND I WANTED, I JUST WANT, I MEAN, SKIP SAID IT ABOUT EMBARRASSING.
I WILL SAY THAT, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE I'M, I FEEL LIKE I'M, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SOMEHOW ARE THINKING THERE'S SOME CHOICE ON THIS COUNCIL THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, MOVE ON.
BRUCE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER? ANYTHING DIFFERENT? WELL, I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THIS AND YOU CAN STRENGTHEN YOUR TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSING.
AND, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO THAT.
UH, AS, UH, COUNSEL AND MORRIS, UH, ALLUDED TO, UH, SHE SORT OF MAPPED OUT WHERE THESE PEOPLE, WHERE THESE BUSINESSES ARE, UH, WE COULD BE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE COULD REVIEW, REVIEW THE MODEL LICENSING FOR FEES TO HELP FUND MON MONITORING ENFORCEMENT COSTS.
UH, WE COULD, UH, UH, WE COULD HAVE STRONG, UH, I'M GONNA USE AN ACRONYM, TL POLICIES,
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UH, TO REDUCE THE UNDERAGE SALES TO YOUTH.WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONITORING OF THAT.
UH, UH, WE COULD RESTRICT THE DENSITY AS, UH, AS, UH, LAUREN ALLUDED TO, UH, WE COULD ESTABLISH A CAP ON THE NUMBER OF NEW LINE SYSTEMS BASED ON POPULATION AND GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
UH, WE COULD HAVE POLICIES FOR A LICENSE, UH, REVOCATION AND SUSPENSION, WHICH YOU ALLUDED TO, UM, COULD RESTRICT TOBACCO AND E E UH, CIGARETTE RETAILERS FROM LOCATING NEAR SCHOOLS, UH, AND YOUTH FACILITIES LIKE YOUTH CENTER.
UM, WE COULD, UH, RESTRICT, UH, ANY KIND OF DRUG PARAPHERNALIA THAT COULD BE SOLD IN THERE, LIKE, UH, BONGS.
UH, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT.
UH, I THINK, UH, UH, YOU, YOU CAN, UH, IT'S JUST CAN YOU, BESIDE FOR, UH, PARAPHERNALIA? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE PARAPHERNALIA IS.
BUT IF IT'S DESIGNED TO SMOKE MARIJUANA OUT OF NOT ANYMORE, YOU CAN SMOKE TOBACCO OUT OF IT TOO, THOUGH.
BUT NOW GAS STATION SOLD HARRISON SINCE BEFORE I WAS BORN, BUT NOW THERE'S NOT.
THAT RESTRICTION IS EVEN LESS RESTRICTED, NULL AND VOID.
WELL, AND THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER THING IS LOW, IT'S LOW QUALITY DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR, OF WHAT WE HAVE.
I, I CONSIDER IT TO BE LOW, LOW QUALITY.
THERE COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT COULD GO IN THERE.
NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT LIKE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY, BUT, UM, UH, BUT THEY HAVE TO DO, YOU CAN RESTRICT THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS.
THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER THING.
SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO ADD IT TO A WORK SESSION.
LET'S JUST SOME, SOME, THOSE ARE SOME WINNERS, BULLETS.
SO, UM, YOU HAVE GIVEN IT A LAPTOP.
UH, I HAVE SOME, I HAVE A, UH, ANOTHER THING, BUT IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT VAPE SHOPS, I'LL LET YOU WELL, WE CAN JUST, NO, I'M DONE.
I, I THINK THAT, I THINK, AND I DON'T WANT TO STIFLE ANYBODY ELSE FROM OFFERING.
I JUST WANTED, I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF WHAT OUR POWERS THAT PEOPLE SOMEHOW THINK WE HAVE.
AND I WANTED TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT CUZ THERE'RE, I JUST CAN'T TALK TO ALL 15,000 PEOPLE IN THE TOWN TO EXPLAIN THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE, SOME, THESE ABILITIES.
BUT ALSO, I THINK AMBER SAID IT BEST AND EVERYBODY DID.
IT CAN BE A TOPIC FOR A FUTURE WORK SESSION.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE NEXT, IT CAN BE ON TREATMENT.
BUT MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, TALK, JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE, MAKE THE PUBLIC AWARE THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE AREN'T DOING.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE.
SO UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING EXTRA TO ADD TO IT, WE'LL SAVE IT.
I WANTED TO ASK, UM, TYING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LIKE THAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A PAYDAY LOAN SHOP OR OTHER KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, VERY ATTRACTIVE AND SEEM TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HOW, HOW CAN WE, UM, I KNOW YOU'RE PUTTING SOME THINGS INTO LIKE ZONING OR, OR OTHER THINGS, BUT HOW CAN WE MAKE BUSINESSES TELL THEIR CONSISTENCY WITH THE, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? LIKE IS THERE A WAY TO, TO MAKE THEM JUSTIFY HOW THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT OUR PLAN IS FOR? SO WHAT WE CAN DO, UM, IF THEY NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE, WHICH YOU MEAN THAT THEY WOULD COME BEFORE COUNCIL.
WE CAN PUT CONDITIONS IN THERE RESTRICTING.
YOU CAN RESTRICT HOURS OF OPERATION NOW, UM, IF THEY ARE LOCATED IN THE ENTRANCE COURT OR PLANNING COMMISSION ION RESTRICTIONS IN THEIR, UM, UH, STAFF CAN ENFORCE THAT.
BUT LIKE WITH, LIKE IN THE, UH, COMP PLAN, WE HAVE A, ONE OF THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IS LIKE ENCOURAGE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN.
AND SO WITH THAT, WE LOOK AT IMPLEMENTING, UM, LIKE MY THOUGHT IS I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE FORM-BASED CODE OR HAVE SOME TYPE OF HYBRID FORM-BASED CODE PUT INTO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND THAT ALLOWS US TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT THINGS LOOK LIKE, WHAT KIND OF MATERIALS THEY USE FOR BUILDING WHAT THE FACADE LOOKS LIKE.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IT'S TWO SIDES.
HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT, DOES THIS COUNCIL WANNA REGULATE? RIGHT? BECAUSE WE STILL WANNA ATTRACT NEW BUSINESSES AND WE WANT TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY NOT
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ONLY TO OPEN, BUT TO OPERATE.CUZ THIS WOULD AFFECT EXISTING BUSINESSES AS WELL.
WELL, IT WOULD ONLY, IT AFFECTS THEM IF THEY COME IN AND TRY TO DO LIKE SOME TYPE OF CHANGE, RIGHT? SO WE CAN TIGHTEN UP THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
UM, WE CAN, WE CAN STOP THEM FROM HAVING FLASHING OR ILLUMINATED SIGN WHICH ONE TO THE FLASH WE CAN DO NOW.
UM, BUT IT AGAIN, THE WHOLE, ALL OF THE TINGES ON HOW MUCH DOES THIS BODY WANT TO REGULATE BUSINESSES AND DEVELOPMENT IN THIS TOWN? WELL, THERE'S A DEMAND, OBVIOUSLY.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT I'VE BROUGHT UP.
THE FACT THAT THERE'S DEMAND'S STILL OPERATING AND THEY HAVEN'T SHUT THEIR DOORS AND THEY'RE PAYING THEIR TAXES AND THEY'VE GOT COMPETITION.
THEY'RE PAYING THEIR SALES TAX, THEY'RE PAYING THEIR PROPERTY TAX, THEY'RE PAYING.
SO, AND ALSO THE IDEA LAST YEAR WHEN THERE WERE ONLY FIVE ON SOUTH STREET, WE DISCUSSED THIS AT COUNCIL RETREAT, WE WERE LIKE, HOW MANY MORE COULD REALLY COME, WE'RE RESTRICTING THEM AT THIS POINT.
AND NOW THERE'S SEVEN ON SOUTH STREET STREET.
WELL WE UNFORTUNATELY, DURING A WORK SESSION, WE, IT'S, IT'S JUST COUNSEL'S DISCUSSION.
BUT DEPARTMENT I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT IF THE ATTORNEY, UH, COULD COMMENT ON, UH, THE, THE IDEA OF CANNABIS CAME UP.
IT ISN'T THAT, UM, BY JURISDICTION, UH, IT, IT WILL GO TO A REFERENDUM BY JURISDICTION.
NO, I, THE DEADLINE FOR REFERENDUM WAS LAST YEAR.
THE DEADLINE FOR REFERENDUM WAS LAST YEAR.
SCOTT LLOYD AND I BOTH WERE IN FAVOR OF ADDING A REFERENDUM TO THE BALLOT.
IT WOULD'VE HAD TO HAVE BEEN ON LAST NOVEMBER'S BALLOT.
AND THAT DEADLINE HAS PASSED, I THINK IT WAS MAY OF LAST YEAR.
UM, SO THE REFERENDUM IS NOT AN OPTION ANYMORE AT THIS POINT.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH CONSENSUS TO DO IT.
I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SOME BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN WRITING A JOINT RESOLUTION TO SAY THAT THE TOWN AND COUNTY AREN'T INTERESTED IN THE SALE OR BUSINESS OPERATIONS OF THAT.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THIS COUNCIL HAS AN APPETITE FOR.
BUT AGAIN, WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE IT TO A WORK SESSION.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I'M SORRY.
I DIDN'T REALLY MEAN THIS TO TURN INTO A 30 MINUTE CONVERSATION.
I JUST REALLY WANTED, I JUST REALLY WANTED TO, TO JUST TO BE ABLE TO, TO, UH, EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON, ON WHAT WHAT COUNCIL HAS HAS NOT BEEN DOING, WHICH IS RECRUITING
UM, AND IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO COME OPEN OUR BUSINESS HERE, WE'RE OPEN.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE OPEN, THAT'S A DIFFERENT TOPIC.
UH, THE MEREDITH PROPERTY THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT ON 13TH STREET, WHAT HAS THERE BEEN ANY UPDATE ON THAT? ALL RIGHT.
SO, UM, WE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT AT A FUTURE WORK SESSION.
AND WHAT THAT TOPIC WAS, NOT NECESSARILY THAT PROPERTY, BUT JUST, UH, MAINTENANCE OF ALLEYS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING YOU BROUGHT UP TOO.
WE, WE WILL ADD IT TO A FUTURE WORK SESSION.
AND THE LAST, UH, THING, UH, THAT I HAD WAS, UH, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE, UH, THE SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL TEAM, UH, FOR THEIR EFFORTS.
UH, THE 26TH GAME WINNING STREAK.
AND, UH, UH, A BASKET HERE AND THERE.
AND THEY, THEY WOULD'VE WOULD'VE BEEN IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.
SO WE WERE ALL FOLLOWING IT LAST MONDAY.
SO IF, IF COUNCIL'S AMENABLE TO THAT, UM, THAT'S RIGHT.
WE COULD, UM, WE COULD INCLUDE, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID TO RECOGNIZE THE OTHER SPORTS TEAM, THE SKY WRESTLING TEAM.
I WILL SAY THIS, AND I, I WISH I, I, I WOULD'VE ASKED TINA AND I COULD ASK HER, UM, CUZ I NOTICED THAT THE, UM, FOR THE FRONT ROW KARATE CLUB'S 50TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION, THAT'S CALLED A PROCLAMATION.
GEORGE, COULD YOU JUST, DO YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESOLUTION AND PROCLAMATION? AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF MOVING FORWARD COUNCIL WANTS TO RECOGNIZE THESE TYPES OF ACHIEVEMENTS BY, ESPECIALLY BY OUR YOUTH, WHICH I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT, UM, IT IS THE BEST WAY TO GO WITH THIS, A RESOLUTION OR A PROCLAMATION WHERE WE COULD JUST INVITE THE TEAM, THE COACHES VERSUS WRITING A RESOLUTION EVERY TIME.
WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT? A PROCLAMATION.
BECAUSE A RESOLUTION TAKES A VOTE, RIGHT? UM, IT DOES, YEAH.
AND A PROCLAMATION, A RESOLUTION IS THE SAME AS A MOTION.
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OF COURSE, IT CALLS FOR SOME ACTION.BUT A PROCLAMATION DOES NOT, IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST JUST RECOGNITION.
SO I THINK PROBABLY MOVING FORWARD THAT MIGHT BE, THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY FOR US FRAME.
THE SAME, NOT THAT IT'S ANY LESS, IT JUST MEANS THAT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM OR HAVE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, UNIFORM YEAH.
AND, AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, ANYBODY THAT ASKS, YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH.
SO, SO IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT, IT PROBABLY SHOULD STILL COME TO THE WORK SECTION.
WELL, THERE'S CONSENSUS OF, RIGHT.
SO THEORETICALLY SOMETHING COULD BE PROPOSED THAT'S JUST NOT, SO IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH DOING A PROCLAMATION FOR SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL'S VARSITY BOYS BASKETBALL TEAM, AND THEY'RE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF, OF BEING THE FIRST TEAM IN ALL OF WHERE WE GOT TO PLAY A WARREN COUNTY FINAL TWO GAMES TO SOLD OUT 900 TICKETS.
SO, UH, JOE, WE'LL JUST ADD THAT TO THE, UM, MARCH 27TH, UM, MEETING, WHICH WOULD JUST, AND THAT WOULD GO UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA TOO, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YEAH, I, I MAY THAT, THAT ONE, THAT ONE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE, WE'LL PRESENT THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA FIND OUT FROM THE KARATE CLUB TOO, IF THEY WANT THAT TO BE A SEPARATE PRESENTATION OR IF MY PRESENTATION BY GOING TO THEIR CELEBRATION WOULD BE ENOUGH.
UM, I'LL, I'LL CLARIFY THAT BEFORE WE DO THE AGENDA FOR THE 27TH.
ANYTHING ELSE? EVERYBODY GOOD? JUST ONE QUICK THING.
I MADE HEADWAY ON, UH, OUR WORK.
I WANT TO REALLY RECOGNIZE JOE FOR THE WORK HE DID, PULLING TOGETHER DISCUSSION VERY QUICKLY, UH, WITH THE COUNTY ON THE DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL AND OUR TOURISM, UH, UH, UH, PROGRAM.
I'D LIKE TO ADD, UH, A DISCUSSION ITEM AND MAYBE INVITE, WE HAVE A NEW BOARD, UH, WE HAVE A NEW DIRECTOR.
UH, SO WE HAVE A, A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I, I THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO, TO SHARE NOT ONLY WITH COUNCIL, UH, BUT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, UH, IF THAT'S WHAT WE DO, UH, TO ADD A, TO ADD IT TO A WORK SESSION, TO ADD IT TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, PLEASE.
I CAN, I CAN ADD SOMETHING TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION, BUT I'M FINE WITH THAT.
SOME FORM SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT TOURISM AND, AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAYBE INVITE, UH, THE NEW DIRECTOR OKAY.
UH, TO INTRODUCE HER TO COUNCIL YEP.
AND TO INTRODUCE, UH, THE NEW MEMBERS OF, UH, OF DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL.
I'M, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE'S, SO, ALL RIGHT.
I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO OPEN DISCUSSION ON MY LIST.
I HAVE VAPE SHOPS AND ONE OTHER THING OFF OF GUARD HILL ROAD AND THE TOWN LIMITS, OR I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE TOWN LIMITS, I'M SORRY.
IT'S ON TOWN PROPERTY PERHAPS JOE.
UM, IT'S, THERE'S A CEMETERY THAT'S REFERRED TO AS THE CEDARVILLE CEMETERY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN CEDARVILLE AND THE MCKAY FAMILY.
UM, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE FROM THE MCKAY FAMILY THAT ARE BURIED THERE, AS WELL AS SEVERAL CIVIL WAR GRAVES.
UM, IT'S AT THE PUMP STATION OFF OF GUARD HILL ROAD, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO CLEAN AND PRESERVE AND MAINTAIN THESE.
UM, BUT THE ONLY ACCESS IS THROUGH THE GATE THAT IS TOWN OWNED.
SO THEY ARE SEEKING A WAY TO FIND ACCESS AND THEY, I GUESS, HAVE TRIED FORMALLY AND THEY ASKED ME TO BRING THAT UP.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT NEEDS TO GO TO.
BUT, UM, IT'S FUNNY THAT IT, IT'S NOT FUNNY.
IT'S IRONIC THAT IT CAME UP CONSIDERING, UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE MCKAY FAMILY AND THE MCKAY SPRINGS MM-HMM.
SO THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT, UM, I'VE SAID I WOULD TRY TO FIND EITHER SOME, IF COUNCIL NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING TO ALLOW PERMISSION THROUGH THAT GATE OR FIND SOME WAY TO ACCESS THOSE, UM, GRAVE SITES, WE WOULD DO SO.
UM, WITHOUT TAKING ANY, WITHOUT DOING ANY DUE DILIGENCE.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A WATER TABLE OR WATER SUPPLY FOR THE WHOLE TOWN.
UH, BUT WOULD LET US LOOK INTO IT.
I WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY AROUND IT OR, YEAH, I'LL GET WITH ROBBIE AND WE'LL SEE WHAT, SEE IF WE CAN ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING.
OR AT LEAST RESEARCH, CUZ IT, UH, IT MAY BE, THERE'S SOME CONFUSION.
MAYBE IT'S NOT ON TOWN PROPERTY.
I SAID THE GUARD HILL ONE'S REALLY SMALL.
YEAH, THEY SENT ME SOME PICTURES TOO, BECAUSE THE, SOME OF THE HEADSTONES SAY MCKAY FAMILY.
WE'LL, WE'LL FOLLOW, SO WE'LL LOOK, WE'LL FOLLOW IT.
UH, IT'S, YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH RAMSEY'S PROPERTY.
I JUST GOTTA A CALL ABOUT IT RIGHT BEFORE WE CAME TO COUNCIL TONIGHT.
SOMEBODY WILL DO A LITTLE EX MM.
STAFF WILL DO A LITTLE BIT, BIT OF EXPIRATION.
BUT JOE IS RIGHT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT WATER,
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THE YES.IF, IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE, I'M GOING TO ADJOURN.
SO WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN AND I MUST SEE EVERY, EVERYBODY ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND DON'T FORGET WHAT'S WEDNESDAY NIGHT.