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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE, UH, FRONT[Town Council Work Session on January 9, 2022.]
ROW TOWN COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER FOR MONDAY, JANUARY 9TH.UM, AND MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR CORO.
HOW'S MS. SEAK HERE? OKAY, WE'RE ALL HERE.
OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS FOR THE COUNCIL TO SELECT A DATE FOR HOLDING A SPECIAL ELECTION TO FILL THE COUNCIL SEAT THAT WAS VACATED BY MYSELF, UM, ON JANUARY 1ST, 2023.
SO I, I BELIEVE THIS IS KIND OF MORE OF A FORMALITY, RIGHT? MR. SONNET? WE JUST NEED TO ASK, UH, WE NEED TO ASK THE CIRCUIT COURT RIGHT TO SET THE DATE.
AUTHOR AUTHORIZE TOWN ATTORNEY TO FILE A PETITION AND SPECIFY THE DATE.
SO, UM, I DON'T, DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT THE DATE WOULD BE? THE, THE TWO OPTIONS WERE TO HAVE IT ON THE NEXT ELECTION, WHICH WOULD BE THE REGULAR GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 7TH, OR, YEAH, NOVEMBER 7TH.
UM, IF WE WERE TO CHOOSE TO HAVE IT EARLIER, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO BEAR THE EXPENSE OF HAVING THAT ELECTION.
SO I'M SHARING THAT WITH ALL OF YOU ALL.
SO, UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I DO.
I HAVE A MOTION, RIGHT? NO, I KNOW.
THAT'S WHAT THE ONLY REASON WHY I HAVE IT.
AND ON THIS MOTION, YOU, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION AFTER THE MOTION.
THE LAST PART IS OPTIONAL, DEPENDS ON WHICH WAY.
SO YOU CAN, OFF PART OF THE MOTION, MS. MAYOR, I MOVE THE COUNCIL DIRECT THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO PETITION THE WARREN COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT TO ISSUE ARI OF ELECTION FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE HELD ON THE DATE OF THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION, WHICH IS THE TUESDAY NEXT, AFTER THE FIRST MONDAY IN NOVEMBER, WHICH IS A DATE NO LATER THAN 55 DAYS BEFORE THE DATE OF THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION TO FILL THE CURRENT VACANCY ON COUNCIL.
NOW DISCUSSION NOW, AND WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION.
I JUST, I WAS JUST DOWN AT A MEETING FOR THE 31ST, 31ST LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT COMMITTEE, UH, REGARDING THE UPCOMING NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, THE BUSY YEAR.
UM, AS A CONSERVATIVE, FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE PERSON, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR THE TOWN TO BE PAYING TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION IN THE SPRING WHEN COUNSEL IS PERFECTLY CAPABLE OR THE COURT OF APPOINTING SOMEBODY TO FILL THAT SEAT IN THE INTERIM.
AND THEN TO HAVE THIS ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, LIKE WE TYPICALLY ALWAYS DO.
I BELIEVE, GEORGE, THE COST OF THAT WAS AROUND $30,000.
WE'D HAVE TO INITIATE THE REGISTRAR.
WE'D HAVE TO, TO OPEN THE VOTE IN POLLING PRECINCTS, PAY EMPLOYEES.
UM, IT STILL DOES COST THE TOWN TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION WHEN SOMEBODY VACATES A SEAT, BUT WE'RE HAVING TO HAVE LORI'S MAYOR.
IT ONLY COSTS ABOUT 3000 TO DO IT IN NOVEMBER VERSUS 30,000 TO HAVE IT IN THE SPRING.
SO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ACTUALLY, I'VE WENT THROUGH THREE OF THESE IN MY 14 MONTHS.
I'M SURPRISED THAT IT WOULD COST, I'M SURPRISED IT WOULD COST ANYTHING IF THERE'RE ARE, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, IF THERE'S ALREADY AN ELECTION BEING HELD IN NOVEMBER, BUT WHATEVER, I DON'T MAKE THOSE RULES.
SO IF WE WANTED AN ELECTION IN MARCH, IT WOULD COST US $30,000.
WE HAVE TO OPEN THE, ALL THE POLLING PRECINCTS, HAVE THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE WORK, ALL THE POLL WATCHERS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO WE HAVE FIVE TOWN PRECINCTS.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO DO AN APPOINTMENT.
WE WOULD APPOINT SOMEBODY UNTIL THE SPECIAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.
SO WE'D APPOINT SOMEBODY AT THE END OF JANUARY TO FALL UNTIL THE NOVEMBER.
UM, MUCH LIKE ACTUALLY IN YOUR SITUATION, I WAS GONNA SAY YOU'RE APPOINTED UNTIL, UNTIL NOVEMBER.
AND SO, AND THE SAME THING WITH, UH, ANY FUTURE APPOINTMENT FOR THIS YEAR FOR MY OPEN SEAT.
THEY WOULD, UM, THEY WOULD SERVE IN THAT ROLE UNTIL NOVEMBER, AND THEN THEY WOULD RUN TO FULFILL THAT SEAT, WHICH IS JUST LIKE DECEMBER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE, UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS ABOUT NOT WAITING UNTIL NOVEMBER? ANYBODY, LIKE, WANNA SPEND $30,000 TO DO IT SOONER?
DO WE HAVE THE MONEY BJ, TO SPEND 30?
SO THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.
IS THE FIRST MONDAY IN NOVEMBER, OR THE FIRST
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TUESDAY.SO NEXT UP IS THE APPOINTMENT OF VICE MAYOR.
UM, AND, UH, JUST TO, UH, LET YOU KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL'S REQUESTED TO APPOINT A MEMBER OF COUNCIL AS VICE MAYOR, AND THAT TERM WOULD EXPIRE DECEMBER 31ST, 2025.
WOULDN'T IT JUST BE FOR 23 TO THE END OF 24 AND 24? IT'S A TWO YEAR TERM FOR VICE MAYOR.
SO THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE DECEMBER 30.
SO IF THERE'S A MOTION MADE, IT SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS CORRECT IT TO SAY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
I'M, I'M, I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, WE COULD, WE CAN DO THIS TWO WAYS.
WE CAN DO NOMINATIONS OR IF SOMEBODY JUST WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION.
SO I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO COUNSEL'S PREROGATIVE.
BUT THERE IS A MOTION IN THE PACKET IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO, TO USE THAT.
THEN
SO YOU CAN, UM, THERE'S TWO WAYS WE COULD DO THIS.
WE COULD TAKE NOMINATIONS MM-HMM.
UM, THERE'S A MOTION IN, UM, IN THE AGENDA PACKET THAT SAYS I MOVE THAT.
AND, AND WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY.
WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION AND THEN VOTE, OR WE CAN DO NOMINATIONS.
SO WE CAN MAKE A, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO WHO THE YEP.
YOU MAKE A MOTION, UM, AS TO WHO? YES.
YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AND JUST NEED A SECOND, AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON IT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO RUTH.
LET ME, LET ME GIVE IT TO YOU.
I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPOINT WAYNE SEAK AS VICE MAYOR OF THE TOWN.
IT SAYS 25, RIGHT? YOU PAID, YOU'VE WRITTEN.
WELL, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
SO, MS. PRESLEY, LET'S TAKE A VOTE.
UM, AND MR. SEAK, LET ME JUST SAY, MY INTENT IS NOT TO MISS THE LOT, SO HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK THERE.
UM, THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR US, NUMBER FOUR IS THE SEPARATE ONE.
SET THE ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR THE 2023 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS.
UM, AND SO LET ME JUST SAY THAT, UM, AND THIS IS MORE FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, BUT EACH YEAR WE, UM, SET OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS, AND THAT'S WHERE THINGS CAN BE CHANGED.
WE CAN MOVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS DIFFERENTLY THAN SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE CAN DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
SO, UH, PURSUANT TO TOWN CODE CHAPTER FOUR 19, COUNSEL'S REQUEST TO PROVE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR REGULAR MEDIA AGENDAS OF COUNCIL FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2023, COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY MAKE AMENDMENTS TO WHAT IS PRESENTED, OR THEY MAY APPROVE WHAT IS PRESENTED.
AND THE PRESENTATION'S ACTUALLY IN YOUR PACKET OR IN THE BOX WHERE YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE FINAL PRODUCT, IS WHAT WILL BE VOTED ON.
AND SO THAT IS, UM, ACTUALLY IN YOUR PACKET, BUT I KNOW THE BOX, LET ME JUST SAY, THE BOX IS A, IS AN INTERESTING THING TO NAVIGATE.
SO THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE NEW, ONE THING THAT, ONE THING THAT IT TOOK ME FOREVER TO KNOW IS IF YOU GO TO THE VERY FIRST PAGE AND YOU ACTUALLY TAP ON NUMBER FOUR, IT TAKES YOU RIGHT TO IT.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT THE ORDER OF BUSINESS THAT'S PRESENTED SAYS, MOMENT OF SILENCE.
FIRST, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE ROLL CALL, THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES, ANY ADDITION OR DELETIONS OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA, UH, RECOGNITIONS, AWARDS, REPORTS, PRESENTATIONS, THEN PUBLIC HEARINGS, THEN PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND THEN THE REPORTS OF THE TOWN MANAGER, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND MAYOR.
AND THEN CONSENT, AGENDA ITEMS, BUSINESS ITEMS. AND THEN IF
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THERE IS A NEED FOR A CLOSED MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE IT THEN.SO I'M GONNA ENTERTAIN, UM, THE, UH, A MOTION FOR THIS MS. MAYOR.
I MOVE THAT COUNSEL, APPROVE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR REGULAR COUNSEL MEETINGS FOR 2023 AS PRESENTED IN OUR AGENDA.
SECOND FOR DISCUSSION, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT I HAVE, UM, LOOKED OVER THIS MULTIPLE TIMES AS A CONSTITUENT.
I ATTENDED A LOT OF TOWN COUNCIL MEETINGS.
I OFTEN SPOKE DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, UM, AS A CONSTITUENT.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THE ORDER OF BUSINESS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IS WELL CONDUCTED.
UM, IT ALLOWS FOR BUSINESS TO BE COMPLETED AND ACCOMPLISHED, UM, LAYERED WITHIN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UM, ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AS NUMBER SEVEN VERSUS NUMBER EIGHT, ALLOWS PEOPLE WHO CAME FOR NUMBER EIGHT TO REALIZE THAT WE'RE ALREADY HEARING THEIR COMMENTS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THERE'S NOT A BUNCH OF REDUNDANCY, BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER CAME AND SPOKE AT A MEETING BEFORE WILL COME TO SPEAK, AND THEN THEY'LL REALIZE THAT THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION.
AND I THINK THE WAY THAT IT'S LAID OUT NOW DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SPEAK IN THE APPROPRIATE PLACES AT THE APPROPRIATE TIMES BEFORE THE BUSINESS IS VOTED ON.
YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, AS A FORMER MEMBER OF PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, THIS FOLLOWS THE SAME SUIT THAT I'M USED TO FOLLOWING.
UH, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE HAD OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ON THE OTHER LEVEL, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ADDED TO OUR MINISTERS RECENTLY THAT WAS NEW TO US.
SO TO ME, THIS LOOKS FAMILIAR, VERY PUBLIC.
OURS WAS THE SAME WAY WITH THE BORDER ZONE.
I MEAN, IT WAS THE EXACT SAME WAY AS THIS, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU.
AND IN THE PAST, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS CAME BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND AS, UM, COUNCILWOMAN MOORE SAID, THE ONLY PART ABOUT THAT IS, IS SOMETIMES, UM, PEOPLE WOULD SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WHEN IT WAS REALLY ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT WAS LATER GONNA COME UP AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO IT CAN, IT CAN BE SOMEWHAT CONFUSING.
SO I, I'M, DO YOU ALL HAVE A, A THOUGHT ON THIS DIFFERENTLY? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED ME? I'M HAPPY BOTH.
WE JUST NEED TO TAKE A VOTE THEN.
WE HAD, FIRST, WE HAD, WE HAD A MOTION IN THE SECOND.
SO, UH, READY FOR THE VOTE? OKAY.
COUNCILMAN ROB RAP COURT? YES.
BEFORE WE, UM, END, I JUST WANTED TO ASK HER, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS TO THE AGENDA? YES, MS. MAYOR, I HAVE AN ADDITION TO THE AGENDA.
THE AGENDA ITEM WOULD BE A PROCLAMATION FOR RECOGNITION OF REVEREND JAMES M KILBY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE SUMMARY OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME? UH, YOU CAN READ IT.
THE SUMMARY WOULD BE THAT COUNSEL HAS RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM GENE KILBY TO APPROVE A PROCLAMATION TO RECOGNIZE THE LIFE OF REVEREND JAMES M KELBY, WHO PASSED AWAY ON DECEMBER 30TH, 2022.
AND A CELEBRATION OF LIFE IS SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 10TH, 2023.
MY PROPOSED MOTION IS I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE A PROCLAMATION FOR CLAIMING THAT ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 10TH, 2023, THE COMMUNITY OF FRONT ROYAL WILL CELEBRATE THE LIFE OF REVEREND JAMES M KILBY SECOND.
WE HAVE A FIRST, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, I, I, I HAD SEEN WHERE, UH, REVEREND KBY HAD PASSED AND HE WAS DEFINITELY AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND I WOULD READ THE PROCLAMATION, UM, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL BE SHARED TOMORROW AT HIS FUNERAL.
AND REALLY, I, I, I DON'T WANNA SHARE IT BEFORE THEY'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SHARE IT WITH, UM, HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS TOMORROW AT THE FUNERAL.
SO WOULD THAT BE OKAY, MS. PRESBY? WE JUST DON'T READ IT.
AND, UM, AND AS I SAID, THEY'LL SHARE, UM, THEY'LL SHARE THIS TOMORROW.
UM, AND I KNOW WE SEND OUR PRAYERS WITH THE KILBY FAMILY AND, UM, BE THINKING ABOUT THEM.
WE'VE DISCUSSED, CAN WE VOTE COUNCIL INGRAM? YES.
COUNCILMAN ROGERS COUNCIL? YES.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY ADJOURN OUR SPECIAL MEETING.
I'M GONNA GIVE EVERYBODY LIKE TWO MINUTES IF SOMEBODY NEEDS A QUICK BREAK.
AND THEN WE'LL START ON OUR, UH, WORK SESSION.
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OKAY.THAT WE ARE, WE, WE'LL BE STARTING THE WORK SESSION IN JUST A MOMENT.
UH, MR. BION, CAN YOU JUST ASK IF HE COULD HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET DOWN THE STREET? EVERYBODY IN TWO MINUTES? ANYBODY NEEDS A, A POTTY BREAK OR, UM, OR, UM, ANY OTHER BREAK? SINCE IT'S A WORK SESSION, WE WON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR POTTY BREAKS.
IF YOU HAVE TO GO DURING, LIKE, MY FIRST REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, WE HAD TO VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK ON THE GUYS.
I'M GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE WORK SESSION.
UM, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL AGAIN? MAYOR CORA.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
AND, UM, AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE, WE HAVE A PRETTY PACKED AGENDA HERE.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GO THROUGH THESE.
UM, THE FIRST THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS OUR ITEMS THAT ARE SLATED FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE 23RD.
AND THE FIRST ONE, OP IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 3 0 9 EAST PROSPECT STREET.
AND I'M GONNA LET MS. KISHK, I THINK ACTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT SEVERAL OF THESE FOR A WHILE, MS. WARREN.
SO, AND COUNSEL ALSO HAS, UM, ALL OF THIS IN THEIR AGENDA.
AND AGAIN, I, I APOLOGIZE IF I'M OVEREXPLAINING, BUT, UM, MAINLY FOR NEW PEOPLE TO SEE HOW YOU CAN FLOW THROUGH THIS.
WELL, YOUR FIRST ITEM IS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, AT 3 0 9.
SO THE APPLICANT IS, UH, REQUESTING A, I BELIEVE A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL.
THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R THREE, UM, STAFFED AT AN INSPECTION ON NOVEMBER 30TH.
THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF PARKING AND PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ANY QUESTIONS? UH, DOWN IN THE, UH, THIS SECTION UNDER SPECIFIC, UH, PROPERTY DETAILS MM-HMM.
STATE'S SINGLE TWO-STORY HOUSE WITH HALF BASEMENT LOCATED IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW.
I'M SURE IT MEANS SPRUCE TREE, RIGHT? ALL I'M, I'M, I'M GLAD TO BE HERE.
I LIKE, I LIKE YOUR SPELLING SAVVY
UH, IN THE FRONT YARD, PARTIAL FENCE, BACKYARD HOUSE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM RENTAL.
UM, I'VE FOCUSED ON THE SHORT TERM AND LONG-TERM RENTAL STATEMENT.
THERE AND UM, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING SO THEY DON'T, CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT PLEASE? SO THEY DON'T NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A LONG-TERM RENTAL, BUT THEY DO NEED IT FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS, I THINK THEY WANT THE FLEXIBILITY.
SO IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A LONG-TERM TENANT, I THINK THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
AND VICE VERSA, IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE REVENUE THAT THEY NEED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THEY CAN SWITCH TO LONG TERM.
WELL THIS PROPERTY HAD IT FOR SALE SIGN IN FRONT OF THE OTHER WEEK, IT'S STILL FOR SALE.
WELL THESE PEOPLE PROBABLY BOUGHT, BOUGHT IT.
I LOVE TO SEE THE MIX USE SHORT-TERM, LONG TERM RENTAL PERSONALLY, UM, AS SOMEBODY WHO'S HAD INVESTMENT PROPERTIES, IT IS NICE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A TIME WHERE PEOPLE SIGN LEASES.
ESPECIALLY WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR WORKFORCE OR TEACHERS HERE IN WARREN COUNTY AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT MOVING IN THE WINTER.
USUALLY THEY'RE MOVING IN THE SUMMER BEFORE THEIR CONTRACT STARTS OR ENDS.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE AN OFF PERIOD IN THE FALL OR THE WINTER AND IT'S LEAF SEASON AND VACATION SEASON HERE, UM, THEY CAN DO IT SHORT TERM.
UH, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL HAVE A GOOD LONG-TERM RUNNER IN THERE.
BUT THEN AGAIN, IF THEY HAVE A CRAPPY LONG-TERM RUNNER, THEY CAN KICK 'EM OUT AND GO SHORT TERM.
SO I LOVE TO SEE THE FLEXIBILITY OF IT.
UM, AND THAT'S ALL FELL THAT WARREN, CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT SHORT-TERM IS? IS THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS? UNDER 14 DAYS? SAY AGAIN? UNDER 14 DAYS.
UM, AND THEN ANYTHING BEYOND 30, I WOULD SAY IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE LONG TERM RENTAL.
AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME IN THAT HAVE STARTED DOING THE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT HAVE SAID IT'S JUST NOT AS PROFITABLE AS THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE.
UM, PAST LEAF SEASON, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEMAND.
SO HOW IS THAT MONITORED? SO THE WAY IT WORKS IS ONCE WE ISSUE THE PERMIT AND WE SEND OUT THE APPROVAL LETTER MM-HMM.
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ONLY GO BACK IN, LIKE WE DO AN INSPECTION, IF WE RECEIVE A COMPLAINT, UM, SO IT WOULD BE A, A CITIZEN COMPLAINT MM-HMM.HOWEVER, IF THIS HAS BEEN IS IT'S RECOGNIZING THAT SOMEBODY'S BEEN THERE LONGER THAN 14 DAYS.
CUZ I PICKED UP ON THAT TOO, BRUCE.
I HONESTLY, IN ALL THE APPLICATIONS WE'VE SEEN UP UNTIL NOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN WHERE IT'S SAID SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM.
AND I CIRCLED THAT TOO, LIKE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BUT, SO IF THEY'RE THERE FOR MORE THAN 14 DAYS, IT COULD JUST MEAN THAT THEY'RE RENTING IT FOR A MONTH OR TWO AND AT THAT POINT THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE A LEASE.
UNLESS THERE IS A COMPLAINT FILED.
AND THEN WE'D STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT, DO I HAVE THE JURISDICTION WITH ON PAGE THIS ONE ANYWAY, WHERE SAYS, UH, IN CASE OF EMERGENCY MM-HMM.
YOU'VE GOT THE FRONT ROW POLICE DEPARTMENT NUMBER DOWN, WHICH IS CORRECT ON 9 1 1.
YOU HAVE FRONT ROW FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THAT NUMBER YOU HAVE THERE IS FOR THE FIREHOUSE ITSELF.
THERE'S NOBODY THERE 24 7 ON THE APPLICATION.
DID THE APPLICANT PUT THAT OR DID IT START NO, NO, NO.
IT NEEDS TO BE 4 1 28 FOR THE, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR 9 1 1.
BUT THE 54 IS ACTUALLY THE HOUSE PHONE AND THEY'RE ON A CALL.
THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO ANSWER IT.
I LOVE THEIR EVACUATION DIAGRAM.
IF THEY MADE FOR YOU GUYS, THEY HAVEN'T THEIR CHRISTMAS TREE IN THERE.
AND THEN I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT SHORT TERM VERSUS LONG-TERM RENTALS.
UM, THEY HAVE MORE CHECKED AND THEY'RE PLANNING AND ZONING APPLICATION FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAN MOST LONG-TERM RENTALS DO IN FRONT ROYAL.
SO I MEAN, THE FACT OF THE MATTER HERE IS YOU'VE GOT CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTORS, SMOKE DETECTORS, FIRE EXTINGUISHERS AND EVACUATION PLAN.
I'VE RENTED A HOUSE OR APARTMENT IN FRONT ROYAL LONG TERM THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
SO I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING A REALLY GREAT JOB OF VETTING AND MONITORING THESE.
UM, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS YET.
AND WHO GOVERNS, LIKE TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT MORE THAN SIX PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE FOR A SHORT TERM RENTALS A COMPLAINT BASIS? IT'S, IT'S COMPLAINT BASIS.
SO, UM, WHEN THEY ADVERTISE, WE COULD, AS IN THEORY, WE COULD GO BACK AND CHECK THEIR ADVERTISEMENTS AND SEE IF THEY'RE SAYING IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, EIGHT 10, OUR, SORRY, OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT PERMIT MORE THAN 10 AT ANY GIVEN RESIDENCE.
UM, SO IT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO CHECK IF WE HAD CASE.
SO SINCE COUNCILMAN, UH,
THIS IS PART OF OUR APPLICATION, YES.
AND SO WHERE THEY PUT OCCUPANCY MM-HMM.
BASED ON TWO PER ROOM, TWO PEOPLE PER BEDROOM.
BUT THEN IF YOU GO OVER HERE, UM, UNDER THEIR HOUSE RULES IT SAYS THE MAXIMUM PROPERTY CAPACITY IS EIGHT PEOPLE.
SO THE WAY TO CORRECT THAT WOULD BE WHEN YOU MAKE A MOTION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU CAN PUT A CONDITION ON THERE TO STATE NO MORE THAN TWO OCCUPANTS PER BEDROOM.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, WE JUST RECENTLY APPROVED A SHORT TERM RENTAL ON CHESTER STREET WHERE WE INCLUDED A PULLOUT COUCH IN THE LIVING ROOM FOR TWO OCCUPANTS.
BUT COUNSEL COLLECTIVELY AGREED AT THAT TIME, UM, THAT A PULLOUT COUCH THAT TURNED INTO A BED IN THE LIVING ROOM WOULD ALSO JUSTIFY CONSTITUTE SLEEPING TOO AS WELL.
AND WE DID APPROVE THAT AND PASS THAT.
SO JUST FOR CONSISTENCY AND TRANSPARENCY, SAFE, YOU WANNA THROW THAT OUT THERE? I JUST WAS POINTING IT OUT THAT THEY CONTRADICTED EACH OTHER.
WHAT I, CUZ THIS IS OURS WHERE IT'S SAYS SPECIFIC PROPERTY DETAILS.
WE JUST NEED TO PROB WE JUST NEED TO SPELL SPECIFIC.
WOULD, WOULD WE BE OUT OF ORDER AT THIS POINT TO BRING UP POTENTIAL, UM, RE-LOOKING AT, UH, HOW WE ARE HANDLING RESIDENTIAL, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS IN TERMS OF, UH, POTENTIALLY RE-DISCUSSING NOT AT THIS WORK SESSION, BUT MAYBE AT A FUTURE ONE? SURE.
SO WHAT THE BEST PLACE FOR THAT WOULD BE AT NUMBER EIGHT, WHERE IT'S OPEN DISCUSSION.
THAT'S WHERE WE ADD ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE LIKE WANNA BRING UP.
AND TALK ABOUT LIKE HOW TO GET IN ON ANOTHER AGENDA OR WHATEVER.
SO NUMBER EIGHT, WE'LL COME BACK TO IT.
WE'RE ALSO REWRITING THE, WE'VE STARTED THE, SO IN ORDINANCE REWRITE, THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THERE TOO.
SO IT'LL BE GOOD FOR US TO CHAT WITH.
TWO B AND DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON TWO A?
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I JUST SAY AS I SAW THIS AS PART PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, AND WE, UH, WE SCRUTINIZING IT.SO JUST, JUST SAME WITH WHOEVER WE DO THE OTHER ONES.
AND, AND I THINK THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMENDATION TO RECOMMEND.
SO, SO THAT'LL, THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT ON JANUARY 23RD.
SO WE'LL GO TO, UM, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 3 0 2 BLUE RIDGE AVENUE.
THIS APPLICATION WAS ALSO FOR, UM, A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, I BELIEVE WITH, UM, THE PROPERTY.
IT'S LOCATED IN THE R THREE DISTRICT AND ALSO IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, THE APPLICANT I THINK STATED THAT AT TIMES THERE MAY BE AN OCCUPANT ON THE GROUND FLOOR, BUT THEY DID NOT INDICATE IF THAT WAS, UM, CONSISTENT.
UM, AND PLAN, THIS ONE WAS INSPECTED I THINK ON NOVEMBER 30TH AS WELL.
IT IS IN COMPLETE COMPLIANCE WITH 1 75, 1 51 AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITHOUT ANY COMMISSIONS.
THE IS THE ONE WE SPOKE ABOUT LAST MEETING WHERE THE HOMEOWNER WAS GOING TO ALSO, UH, BE IN THE HOME THAT WAS GOING TO BE AN OWNER OCCUPIED.
ONE OF THE OWNERS IS OCCUPYING A DOWNSTAIRS BEDROOM, I BELIEVE.
I DON'T THINK IT GUARANTEED, BUT CAN I JUST ASK WHY THERE ARE NO OTHER ATTACHMENTS TO THIS ONE? LIKE, LIKE, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN AN ADMISSION ON OUR PART.
WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT FOR THAT THAT WAS SENT TO OKAY.
SO YOU, SO ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITH THE REST OF THE SHORT TERMS, LIKE THEIR, THEIR EVACUATION PLAN YES.
YOU, I HAVE, YOU'VE HAD, YOU HAVE ALL THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, COUNSEL WAS AWARE OF THAT.
I WAS JUST LOOKING THROUGH, I I BELIEVE THIS IS THE HOUSE I JUST SAW YESTERDAY THAT'S BEING ADVERTISED FOR RENT AS THE BIG BIRDHOUSE.
UM, HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THAT? THE MARKETING IS GENIUS.
I LOVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO INVEST AND TAKE CARE OF IT.
UM, CONSIDERING THE WAY THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY MARKETING THIS, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET THIS HOUSE GET OVERRUN OR NASTY.
AND I JUST, I MIGHT RENT THE BIG BIRDHOUSE.
THEY TOOK ME A COUPLE TIMES TO READ THAT.
I THOUGHT, WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? IT'S VERY WELL, COW.
IS THIS LIKE SOME KIND OF BIG INVESTMENT FOR THEM OR SOMETHING ELSE? NO, NO.
THEY'RE TWO DOORS DOWN FOR ME.
THEY, UM, THEY'RE, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA.
THEY'RE NOT TOO FAR FROM YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS ON THE, JUST RIGHT UP STRAIGHT UP STRAIGHT.
UH, SO I BELIEVE THAT THE NEXT THING IS ACTUALLY, UM, TWO C, WHICH IS THE AMENDED PROPERS FOR THE, UH, JUAN ESTATES.
AND THAT'S YOU TOO, LAUREN? YEAH.
SO, UM, HEP TED LLC, THEY, UH, SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO AMEND THEIR PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROFFERS.
THE PROFFERS WERE APPROVED IN 2012, FEBRUARY OF 2012, I BELIEVE.
AND THIS AMENDMENT, UH, REQUESTED A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF TOTAL UNITS.
SO IT WENT FROM 450 DOWN TO 335.
THERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF, I BELIEVE 170 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNITS AND THEN 165, UM, ATTACHED.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT, UH, REQUESTED THEY HAD INITIALLY REQUESTED A REDUCTION IN THE LOT SIZE WHEN THEY SENT THE AMENDED PROFFERS, THEY INCREASED THE LOT SIZE.
UM, AND THEY HAVE ALSO ADDRESSED ANY PLANNING COMMISSION'S, UM, CONDITIONS AND CONCERNS.
AND THAT SHOULD BE IN THE COPY THAT COUNSEL RECEIVED.
UM, THERE WERE A FEW TEXT CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED, A FEW GRAMMATICAL CHANGES, UM, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH THESE CONDITIONS.
I WAS GONNA SAY I'M COMMISSION AND MAYOR NOTICED THAT AS WELL.
SO, SO I'LL JUST GO AROUND, UM, GIVE ANYBODY ANY OPPORTUNITY TO QUESTIONS.
MR. COUNCILMAN RAPORT, I'LL START WITH YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THIS? LOOKS LIKE YOU DO.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU, WELL, I, I, UH, I WROTE SOME NOTES DOWN, UH, IN PARTICULAR, I MAY BE GETTING IN INTO TOO, TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I DO.
YOU HAVE, UM, THE, UH, TOWNHOUSE AREA OF IT MM-HMM.
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I, I HAVE A PROPERTY DOWN IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY THAT'S IN AN HOA.AND, UM, THEY, THEY HAVE ROADS THAT ARE ABOUT, UH, 26 FEET MM-HMM.
USUALLY OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T PERMIT, UM, MORE THAN EIGHT FLUSTERED TOGETHER.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM CLUSTER WOULD BE EIGHT UNITS.
SO, SO, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE SORT OF PACKED IN TO THESE CONFINED AREAS AND, UH, I'M, I'M, UH, MY, MY CONCERN IS THE PARKING MM-HMM.
SO OUR, OUR SUBJECT IS AN ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE THAT THEY PROVIDE AT LEAST TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT, OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE A PARKING AREA.
ALL OF THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT THE SITE, SITE PLAN PROCESS, WHICH PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD ALSO HAVE TO REVIEW.
SO THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY AT SITE PLAN REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A QUESTION.
SO YOU'VE GOT TWO PER HOUSEHOLD MM-HMM.
AND I, I BELIEVE OUR ORDINANCE ALSO REQUIRES, I THINK 18 FEET FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAYS.
SO YOU WOULD IN THEORY, BE ABLE TO STACK TWO CARS OKAY.
BUT I, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK THAT.
UNDER DESIGN GUIDELINES, IT SAYS STAFF COMMENT, THE LOSS OF AREA IS EQUAL TO 250 SQUARE FEET OF LOT SIZE.
AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE ADEQUATE ONSITE PARKING STAFF HAS NO CONCERNS OVER LOT SIZE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT, THAT HAVING THAT ADDED IN ADDRESSES BOTH OF THESE GENTLEMEN.
AND THE APPLICANTS, UH, THEY CALLED AND WHEN THEY SENT OVER THAT NEW SET OF PROFFERS MM-HMM.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT 250 SQUARE FOOT.
IT SAYS REDUCTION LOT SIZE FROM 50 TO 60.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY'VE ACTUALLY GONE BACK TO YEAH.
THIS, SO I BELIEVE THEY INDICATED ALSO THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS WOULD BE 6,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH OTHER REZONING REQUESTS AND OTHER LOT SIZES WE HAVE IN.
NOW, WILL THAT HAVE TO BE IN WRITING BEFORE COUNCIL VOTES ON THAT? ON THE 23RD? IT'S IN THE PROFFERS.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR PUBLIC HEARING, THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS AND, AND BRING UP WITH THE APPLICANT.
BUT IT'LL BE IN THE PROFFERS BEFORE THE 23RD.
WELL, YOU JUST SAID THEY CALLED BACK, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THEY CALLED THAT DAY THAT THEY SENT THEM GOTCHA.
THEY'RE ALSO OFFERING A PARK, A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, I BELIEVE.
AND, UM, THE, THE, UH, THE PARK VALUE IS, UH, BASED AT UH, $350,000.
SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR CREDIT ON THE PROFFERS FOR, FOR THE SCHOOL SCHOOLS, YES.
AND I GUESS FIRE AND THE RESCUE, BUT NOW WHO'S GONNA TAKE THAT? WELL, THE, IS THAT, WILL THE, WILL THE COUNTY TAKE OVER THE PARK AND RESCUE? YES.
THEY WOULD DEDICATE THAT LAND TO, UH, OR THEY WOULD DEDICATE IT FOR EITHER FIRE AND EMS LIKE FIREHOUSE OR THEY WOULD DEDICATED IT AS PARK SPACE AND THE COUNTY WOULD ACCEPT THAT WE'VE GOT A 1998 OR 1999 AGREEMENT WHERE THE COUNTY TOOK ALL OF THAT OVER BACK THEN AND YEAH.
I WONDER JURISDICTION WOULD THE COUNTY, UH, OPT TO NOT TAKE IT AND TAKE THE MONEY FOR THE SCHOOLS AND YEAH, SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GONNA COME IN.
DO HAVE, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, WE'VE BEEN KICKING THE CAN GIVEN EXTENSIONS ON THIS HEP HABITAT STUFF.
UM, BUT MY QUESTIONS FOR PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THAT, I DON'T WANT A $350,000 PARK.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKS IN TOWN.
BUT WE ADDRESSED THIS ON COUNCIL AND I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT IT.
LF K IS CURRENTLY UNDER, I BELIEVE ABOUT A $10 MILLION RENOVATION.
AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY, I THINK EIGHT STUDENTS OVER CAPACITY.
AS IT STANDS, THE RENOVATION ISN'T MAKING THE SCHOOL ANY LARGER.
IT'S ADDRESSING CONCERNS WITH HEATING AND AIR MOLD, UM, NOT HAVING A GEM.
AND, UH, ANYWAYS, ALL OF THAT IS
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FOR THE COUNTY TO ADDRESS, BUT HAVE HAS, HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THE IMPACT STUDY FOR THIS? CUZ I HAVEN'T.AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
I'VE BEEN SCROLLING AND I SCROLLED THROUGH IT BEFORE, BUT, UM, SO THAT WAS, I JUST WANTED TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT.
AND THEN I, THERE WAS, I, AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE SENT IT OR NOT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
WE HAVE AN EMAIL FROM THE WARREN COUNTY, UM, SUPERINTENDENT'S OFFICE STATING THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EDUCATIONAL CAPACITY AND THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF THESE SCHOOLS AND OR EIGHT OVER EDUCATIONAL, NOT MAXIMUM CAPACITY, BUT WE DON'T WANT GET THERE.
AND WE'RE THERE WITH, UM, TWO OF THE OTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
SO JUST CURRENTLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING CRISIS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE MINDFUL THAT WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING ALL OF THESE HOUSES ON LEACH RUN AND WE HAVE ANOTHER PROPOSED PLAN OUT IN SHOWN TO SHORES IN THE TOWN, WE THREE OUT OF WHAT FIVE OF OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE AT OR OVER CAPACITY.
UM, AND SO WE JUST NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
AND THEN I WANTED TO BRING UP ON PAGE 12, IT SAYS STAFF WILL ADDRESS THIS COMMENT WITH A RECOMMENDED CONDITION.
THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST AND INSTALLATION OF STORMWATER MITIGATION ON SITE.
WHEN I RAN FOR COUNSEL MY FIRST TIME, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SEVERELY FRUSTRATED ME WAS ALL OF THE WAIVERS FOR THIS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT IN SEVERAL AREAS.
SOME PLACES WHERE ONLY TWO HOMES WERE BUILT, BUT STORMWATER MITIGATION IS ESSENTIALLY WAIVED OR PASSED ONTO WHOEVER PURCHASES THE HOME, THEN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT.
SO I'D JUST LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
UM, CUZ IT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT.
I CONCUR THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF DRAINAGE DRAWN INTO SOME SORT, I THINK INTENTION, ADEQUATE CURBING IN THE SITE PLAN STAFF WOULD REVIEW THAT, COUNTY STAFF WOULD REVIEW THAT AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MR. ROGERS, DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THE I PARTICULAR ITEM? MR, HOW ABOUT YOU? NO, NO.
MR. MR. NO, NOT AT THIS TIME MAAM.
ONE IS, AND I THINK THE FURTHER I READ, I THINK I GOT MY ANSWER, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
SO WHEN SWAN STATES, WHEN THERE WAS TALK MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN THIS FIRST CAME ABOUT.
UM, YEAH, I'M SURE YOU WERE LITTLE CUZ IT WAS WHEN I FIRST MOVED OVER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND OF COURSE I TEACH AT HILDA J BARBER.
SO, BUT, UM, THE IDEA WAS, IS THAT THE ROAD WAS GONNA COME AND IT WAS GONNA GO, YOU KNOW, IT'S COMING FROM WESTMINSTER WESTMINSTER AND THEN, AND THE HIGH SCHOOL'S HERE AND THE, YOU KNOW, BASEBALL FIELD, SOFTBALL FIELD.
AND THEN IT WAS GONNA GO RIGHT THROUGH THERE AND, YOU KNOW, CONNECT INTO WAN STATE MM-HMM.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THAT DID WAN STATE DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND SO THERE IS NO ROAD COMING OUT OF HILDA.
J BARBER IS, IT'S REALLY AT A, UM, AT A SAFETY ISSUE.
ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT WHEN THINGS HAD HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, UM, SO THE, I THINK WHEN I READ FURTHER IN THERE, I BELIEVE THAT THEY AGREED TO HAVING SWAN STATE'S CONNECT INTO WESTMINSTER.
DOES THAT, I I, I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THAT WAS IN THERE, RIGHT? I I WOULD ASSUME THE COUNTY WOULD WANT THAT AS WELL BECAUSE YES, I I THINK STAFF MADE A COMMENT ABOUT INTER PARCEL CONNECTIVITY YES.
AND THAT CAN ALWAYS BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL ALSO THAT COUNCIL PUTS ON THERE.
SO PUT THAT ON MY LIST OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THERE BECAUSE I, UM, I MEAN THAT WAS REALLY, WHEN THEY BUILT HILDA J BARBER BACK THERE, THERE, THERE REALLY WAS NO INTENT THAT IT WOULD NEVER HAVE ANY WAY OTHER THAN ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT.
UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT A DENSITY BONUS IS? IT TALKS ABOUT THAT MM-HMM.
THAT WASN'T IT, IT TALKED ABOUT A DENSITY BONUS AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT IS THAT PAGE REFERENCE MAYOR? I KNOW, I'M TRYING TO, I KNOW WHAT PAGE I WROTE THE NOTES ON, BUT, UM, IT WAS ON PAGE THREE.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
CLUSTERING EVERYTHING BECAUSE THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE IS NOT SOUTH.
IT SAYS TOWN CODE SECTION 1 75 DASH 37 0 9 PERMIT THE DENSITY OF UP TO SIX, UH, DU PER ACRE IN THE P AND D DISTRICT SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A DENSITY BONUS BY TOWN COUNCIL.
THAT WAS, I BELIEVE, ADDRESSED IN THE 2012 OR WHENEVER THE LAST REZONING WAS.
SO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 2012.
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BUT WHEN THEY WENT FROM, I THINK IT WAS AN RE OR AN R ONE OVER TO THE P AND D ZONING THAT'S GONNA GAVE THEM THAT DENSITY BONUS AND ALLOWED THEM TO GO UP TO SIX DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.AND I THINK HERE THEY'RE GONNA BE AROUND, UH, THREE OR FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA ENCOURAGE.
AND ESPECIALLY ON A SITE LIKE THAT, UM, YOU WANT, YOU WANT AS LITTLE DISTURBANCE AS POSSIBLE.
THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASK IS CUZ THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT SAYS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF AGAINST THE DENSITY BENEFIT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
SO THAT, SO OKAY THEN THAT DIDN'T, SO REALLY THOSE, IT WAS JUST THE WORDING.
ALL RIGHT THEN THERE IS WAY DOWN HERE, UH, I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE ONE SIDE PART.
IT TALKED ABOUT, UM, ALL COMMON AREAS.
THESE ARE NOT, THESE IPADS ARE NOT AS, THESE ARE FRIEND AS PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE, UM, IT BASICALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY WOULD THE HOA, IF I CAN FIND IT ALL RIGHT.
ALL THE WAY UNDER THE SECTION CREATION OF A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS LIKE SIX, 6.1 SAYS A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION SHALL BE CREATED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY UNIT SHALL BE MADE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF ALL COMMON AREAS.
AND THAT KIND OF PIGGYBACKED OFF OF WHAT MR. RAPPAPORT WAS SAYING ABOUT, SO ARE THOSE, IS THAT COMMON AREA? THE PARK, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK GRASSY AREAS? YEP.
THE, OKAY, SO JUST THE GRASSY AREAS, TRAILS, ANYTHING THAT, OKAY.
THAT IS DEEMED COMMON AREA AND THAT'LL BE EXPLAINED AND LAID OUT IN THE DEEDS.
WELL THAT'LL BE SHOWN IN THE SITE SITE AND THAT'LL ALSO BE SHOWN IN THE SITE PLAN OKAY.
AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP WAS BECAUSE WHEN I READ THAT, I THOUGHT WHO KIND OF WHAT MR. REPPER WAS SAYING IS, IS THERE A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? I KNOW YOU SAID THAT, THAT I KNOW NOT THE TOWN, BUT I, I GUESS WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET OUTTA HERE IS THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING THE COUNTY UP FOR A, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOW GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ADDITIONAL PARK AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ALL I LIKE.
ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PARK? ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PARK? I KNOW WE ARE NOT, IT SAYS THE HOAS, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, I KNOW THE HOA AT THE BOTTOM OF MY HOLE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE POND AND THAT'S CREATED A MAJOR ISSUE.
UM, SO SOMETIMES WITH THEM, SO, SO WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PARK AND THEY'RE GONNA WORK IT OUT WITH THE COUNTY.
IT'S GONNA DE WHEN THEY, THEY DO THE SITE PLAN, THE COMMON AREAS THAT I THINK THEY'RE REFERRING TO ARE GONNA BE MORE OF LIKE THE WALKING PATHS, THE GREEN SPACES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF THEY DEDICATE LAND TO THE COUNTY FOR, UH, FIRE STATION OR FOR A COMMUNITY PARK, THAT WILL BE, THAT'LL BE ITS OWN SEPARATE DE ITS OWN SEPARATE DOCUMENT.
AND THAT WILL BE HANDLED WITH THE COUNTY AND THE BOARD OF SUPER SUPERVISORS.
NOT THE TOWN, BUT, AND OUR TOWN STAFF WON'T BE MOWING THE TRAILS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UNLESS THERE'S A ZONING VIOLATION.
I, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO, WHICH WE DO HAVE TO DO.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT TWO C? I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, IT'S ON PAGE FIVE THAT IT TALKS ABOUT THE EXISTING WEST MINISTER DRIVE EXTENSION FOR SWAN STATE DRIVE.
THE REASON I WANTED TO BRING IT UP AND REITERATE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT, IT STATES THAT THE APP APPLICANT PROFFERS TO MAKE ITS BEST EFFORTS TO HAVE THE SCHOOL BOARD DEDICATE THE WEST MINISTER CONNECTOR EASEMENT TO THE TOWN AND BE SIMPLE.
SO THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP IS CUZ LAURA USED A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HILDA J BARBER.
IT'S NO SURPRISE WE'RE HEADED TOWARDS A MILD RECESSION.
THE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, DOWNFALL IS COMING AT THE SECOND HALF OF 2023.
AND I'VE SEEN AS THE DAUGHTER OF A SUPERINTENDENT WHO WORKED FOR A LARGE DEVELOPER HERE LOCALLY, THESE ROADS OFTEN TAKE LAST PRECEDENCE IN THESE PROJECTS.
AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS ALL GET CONSTRUCTED AND BE FINISHED AND THEN NOT HAVE THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE AND NOW THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED DRASTICALLY.
SO I DID SEE ON PAGE FIVE WHERE THAT'S ADDRESSED FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD IN THE TOWN TO ADDRESS AFTER THEY PROFFER THAT.
SO ARE WE RESPONSIBLE TO, I MEAN WILL THAT, THAT WOULD GO TO THE TOWN, RIGHT? SO BUT I'M SAYING AND THAT WOULD HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE OR WOULD THAT BE THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT WOULD, IN THAT INSTANCE THEY WOULD, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DATED, IT WOULD BE SIMPLE.
I BELIEVE THAT THE TOWN WOULD ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY.
WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT ROAD, BRING THAT INTO OUR SYSTEM IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT LANGUAGE.
DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? THAT WE I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE I CAN FOLLOW UP.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE BUT WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT WITH COUNSEL ON THIS OUTSIDE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT OUTSIDE TOWN HAS OUTSIDE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THERE.
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TOWN HAS OUTSIDE RETAINED COUNSEL FOR IT TOO.THEY SAID PRIOR DUE TO A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THE PRIOR TOWN ATTORNEY.
THE TOWN, THE TOWN OUTSIDE COUNCIL.
HE'S STILL ON RETAINER STILL LOOKING AT THIS.
THAT'S, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
ROAD'S ALWAYS COME LAST AND THEN THE MONEY'S GONE.
IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER, IF THE MONEY'S EVEN THERE.
UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
ONE, TWO C HI, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
2D, YOU'RE STILL UP MS. LAUREN, PUBLIC INPUT FOR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL BAR APPEAL.
UM, SO EVERYBODY'S IN THE SUMMARY BUT WE'LL, WE'LL LET YOU TALK.
SO THE APPLICANT, CSU LLC, THEY'RE REQUESTING AN APPEAL TO A DENIED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DEMOLISH AND REMOVE A PORTION OF THE MURPHY THEATER BUILDING.
THIS BUILDING IS AT 1 31 EAST MAIN STREET AND IT IS CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, AND YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A STAFF REPORT, THE DEMOLITION REVIEW GUIDELINES, A LINK TO THAT MEETING AS WELL AS THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING.
UM, AND A PRESERVATION REPORT FROM 1993, WHICH IS THE LAST TIME WE HAD THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN TOWN SURVEYED.
UM, BUT THE ESTIMATED DATE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THE INITIAL METHODIST CHURCH WAS 1879 AND LOOKS AS THOUGH THERE WERE TWO, POSSIBLY THREE TYPES OF MASON RECONSTRUCTION METHODS.
AND THE UM, REAR ADDITION MAY BE A BRICK VENEER OVER CONCRETE BLOCK.
UM, BUT IN 1908 TO 1909 THERE WERE ADDITIONAL THE CORE UNIT OF THE CHURCH AND THAT WAS, UM, WHEN THE CHURCH WAS CONVERTED INTO THE COMMERCIAL SPACE OFFERING STORE.
SO THAT'S WHEN THAT FRONT PORTION, UH, WITH THE GAMBLE ROOFS WERE ADDED.
AND THEN THERE WAS AN ADDITION TO THE UM, BACK, UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT IN 1920 IS WHEN THAT TERRACOTTA, UM, HOLLOW TILE PORTION WAS ADDED.
AND THEN IN THE 1930, OR SORRY 1950S, THEN YOU HAVE THE BACK PORTION THAT IS CURRENTLY USED AS UM, APARTMENTS OR DWELLING UNITS WAS ADDED ON.
SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOS, YOU SEE THE ORIGINAL OUTLINE OF THE, THE METHODIST CHURCH AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE OTHER ADDITIONS OVER TIME.
STAFF WILL NOTE THAT THAT TERRACOTTA TILE WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS.
THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DETERIORATION AND IF YOU WERE ABLE TO VIEW THE 93 SLIDE, UM, POWERPOINT THAT WE GAVE YOU, THERE ARE AERIAL PHOTOS SHOWING CRACKS IN THAT TERRACOTTA TILE UP WITH THE ROOF THAT ARE A COUPLE FEET IN LENGTH MM-HMM.
UM, BUT THIS SUBSTRATE WAS MEANT TO BE AN ACTUAL SUBSTRATE.
IT WAS MEANT TO BE COVERED WITH SOME TYPE OF STUCCO OR SOME TYPE OF CLADDING AND IT WASN'T, UM, SO STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE DETERIORATION OF THAT BUILDING.
AND I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THIS.
I'M GONNA START ON THIS SIDE AND GO AROUND GENTLEMEN, MIX IT UP.
I'M START WITH MR. SEAK, SO I'M GONNA GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO ASK ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK AND OF COURSE ALSO YOU CAN ALWAYS, UM, ASK LATER IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING, BUT THIS IS A GOOD TIME.
SO MS. COUNCILMAN
I MEAN I JUST SAW THIS GO FROM, I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE REQUESTS, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT THE PLAN WAS GONNA BE.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS, IS THIS SEEM TO BE THE, THE FINAL REQUEST THUS FAR OF THE APPLICANT? I MEAN YOU SEEM TO MM-HMM.
ASK, THIS ISN'T FOR NEXT PHASE.
IS THIS, IS THIS STILL GOING? IS THIS LEADING TO THE, TO, TO THE FINAL PLAN? I MEAN I KNOW IT'S GONE BACK AND FORTH QUITE A BIT.
UM, THE APPLICANT, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT.
WELL, LET, LET ME JUST LET HIS INTENTIONS ON.
LET ME JUST ANSWER ONE THING THAT'S, UH, JUST WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE THIS EVENING IS THIS, UH, APP APPLICATION TO BE FOR THE DEMOLITION WENT TO THE BAR AND THE BAR DENIED UH, THE DEMOLITION.
AND I BELIEVE THE REASONING WE HAVE IN OUR NOTES AND WE CAN ALWAYS ASK MS. LAP, UH, KAKI ABOUT THAT.
UM, SO THIS, THE REASON WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT HERE TONIGHT IS BECAUSE THERE'S UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE AN APPEAL TO TOWN COUNCIL, WHICH IS THE ONLY OTHER APP, YOU KNOW, ONCE
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THE BAR DENIED IT, UM, COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THAT DECISION BASICALLY.AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE CAN GATHER INFORMATION TONIGHT THAT THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 23RD AND THEN COUNSEL WOULD VOTE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED TO OVERTURN THE BARR DECISION OR TO, UM, CONFIRM THE BARR DECISION OR IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
SO THEY WOULD VOTE ON THIS IN TWO WEEKS.
SO JOSH WAS YOUR QUESTION I THINK IS YOUR QUESTION SAYING THAT IS IF, IF THERE THE BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE GONNA BE? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING? WELL, I MEAN, UH, YEAH, I MEAN I SEE WHERE, WHERE THE RENDITION WHERE THE ADDITION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR, BUT I JUST, I WAS JUST ASKING IN GENERAL TERMS. RIGHT.
UM, CAUSE I KNOW WE SAW IT AS A PLANNING COMMISSION BRIEFLY FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THAT GOT PULLED AND IT SEEMED TO WENT, WENT, WENT TO THIS AND IT WENT TO THE BAR, THEN WENT TO THIS.
SO IT'S, I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN THE WHOLE THING.
SO I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
MAKING SURE I HAD ALL THE STEPS IN ORDER.
I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
I KNOW LORI, I CALLED YOU WITH SOME OF MINE TODAY SO THEY'RE GONNA BE REDUNDANT FOR YOU.
BUT I AM A MEMBER OF THE, FROM EARLY UNITED METHODIST CHURCH AND I, UH, AM THE FAMILY OF A LOCAL HISTORIAN WHO CONTRIBUTED MUCH OF THE WARREN HERITAGE SOCIETY'S ARCHIVES DOWN THERE.
UM, SO SHE ACTUALLY WORKED OUT OF THERE AS AN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, UH, FOR THE WARREN SENTINEL BACK IN THE DAY.
WE'RE BACK OPPOSED WARREN TIMES IS WHAT IT WENT ON TO BE.
BUT SO LAUREN, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
FIRST, I GUESS THAT IT WAS SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, BY JOHN, THAT COUNSEL SHOULD ONLY SEE THIS AND VOTE ON THIS AS WHAT IT IS, WHICH IS FOR THE DEMOLITION MM-HMM.
AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT SOUNDS LOGICAL, IT'S NOT BECAUSE AFTER IT'S DEMOLISHED WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? AND I THINK THAT UNFORTUNATELY COUNCILS BEFORE ME HAVEN'T HAD THAT VISION FOR WHAT THEY WANT THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL TO BE AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NEXT.
SO MY COMMENT ON THAT WOULD BE TO NOT JUST TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE DEMOLITION WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AND WE HEAR THIS, BUT WHAT COMES NEXT? UH, CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND IT WAS MUCH TO JOSH'S POINT, LIKE IS THIS IT, IS THIS THE FINAL PLAN? BUT NO, WE'RE ONLY OVERHEARING THE APPEAL FOR THE DENIAL TO DEMOLISH IT.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE NEXT STEPS, WHICH THE RENDERINGS LOOK LIKE A VERY PRESTIGIOUS BUILDING AND NOT ONE THAT YOU WOULD FIND IN FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA.
UM, IS IT A NICE BUILDING SHORE? UM, BUT SO WITH THAT, I ALSO HAD A QUESTION.
I GUESS THERE'S A RUMOR THAT IF THIS IS DENIED BY COUNSEL, POTENTIALLY A YEAR FROM NOW, THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS REHEARD AND THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT BY.
SO 1 75 93, SORRY, I DIDN'T TURN THE PAGE.
THIS, THAT'S NOT IN OUR PACKET, RIGHT? NO.
UM, THAT BASICALLY STATES THAT AFTER A YEAR, UM, IF THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS IT ON THE MARKET AND THEY DO NOT RECEIVE APPLICATION, OR SORRY, AN OFFER TO PURCHASE IT, THAT, UM, SAYS THE OWNER OF A HISTORIC LANDMARK BUILDING OR STRUCTURE SHALL, AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
BE ENTITLED TO RAISE OR DEMOLISH SUCH BUILDING OR STRUCTURE PROVIDED THAT ONE HE HAS APPLIED TO COUNSEL FOR SUCH.
UM, AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE YEAR, UM, TIMEFRAME.
SO, AND YOU SAID AN OFFER? YES.
SO THE, THE APPLICANT COULD LIST IT FOR $1 BILLION, BUT IF SOMEBODY MAKES A $200,000 OFFER, IT'S NOT QUALIFIED TO DO WHAT THEY WANT BY.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SLIDING SCALE IN THE ORDINANCE AS TO WHAT THE MINIMUM MINIMUM PRICE IS.
SO 90 OR MORE IS, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS SAYS 12, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT MEANS 12 MONTHS.
SO ANY, UM, LESS THAN 25,000 AND IT SAYS THREE MONTHS, 25,000 TO 39 99 IS FOUR MONTHS.
UM, BUT ANYTHING OVER 90,000, WHICH IS WHAT I'M SURE THIS WOULD BE, WOULD BE 12 MONTHS OR MORE.
LAUREN, DID YOU ALSO SAY THAT AFTER THAT YEAR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD MAKE A DECISION ON MOVING THE OWNER MOVING FORWARD? NO, WE COULDN'T
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MAKE A DECISION.WE'D BE REMOVED FROM THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS AS THE WAY OUR CODE.
AS THE WAY OUR CODE IS RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WHAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO.
1 75 SECTION, WHICH IS AFTER STATE LAW, WHICH IS MODELED AFTER STATE LAW.
UM, WE WOULD, WELL, MONTHS FROM NOW, WE WOULDN'T REALLY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE, UM, A, A GEORGE CRI SPEAK.
IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE PROCEDURE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND UH, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, UH, IF THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER MEETS THE CRITERIA SPELLED OUT, UH, THEN THERE'S A RIGHT TO DEMOLISH.
I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AND, AND, AND, AND I, AND THERE'S AN EXAMPLE, UH, THE PROPERTY NEXT TO THE FORMER JACK EVANS CHEVROLET MM-HMM.
IT'S, IT'S TO MY DAD'S NAME, DOCTOR.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I KNOW I DON'T AT ALL.
THAT'S, THAT'S A SITUATION WHERE DEMOLITION WAS DENIED AND, AND FOLKS THAT JACK EVANS PUT IT ON THE MARKET AND THEY WENT A FULL YEAR AND THERE WAS NO INTEREST IN MO BUYING IT, MOVING IT WHAT, WHATEVER.
AND SO, SO MY NEXT QUESTION, SO THEN THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DEMOLISH IT.
SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR, IS THIS LIKE A GOOD FAITH? LIKE IF THIS IS LISTED FOR SALE BY OWNER, WHO'S TO KNOW IF THERE'S OFFERS THAT ARE REJECTED OR DENIED? I THINK IT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE.
I THINK IT'S ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE, IN OUR ORDINANCE IT STATES THAT UM, IN ORDER TO DEMONSTRATE THE MARKING OF A BONAFIDE OR THE MAKING OF A BONAFIDE OFFER TO SELL, THE OWNER SHALL FILE A NOTICE WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
SO HE WOULD FILE THAT WITH OUR OFFICE.
UM, AND WE WOULD KEEP THAT RECORD AND IT WOULD SAY SAYS IDENTIFYING THE PROPERTY AND STATING THE OFFERING PRICE AND THE NAME OF THE REAL ESTATE AGENT, IF ANY, UM, AND IT SAYS NO TIME PERIOD SET FORTH HEREIN SHALL BEGIN TO RUN UNTIL SAID NOTICE HAS BEEN FILED.
UM, WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF THE RECEIPT, UH, COPIES OF THE NOTICE SHALL BE DELIVERED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO THE MEMBERS OF TOWN COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION TOWN MANAGER.
SO THE MOMENT, UH, THE APPLICANT WERE TO PUT IT UP FOR SALE AND SEND IT TO OUR OFFICE, I WOULD THEN SEND IT TO COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE TOWN MANAGER'S OFFICE.
JUST STUFF LIKE THAT'S NOT ADEQUATELY ADDRESSING MY CONCERN.
I UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE IN IT IS, AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT'S STILL CONFUSED IF IT'S NOT FOR SALE BY AN AGENT, YOU KNOW, AN ALL THAT'S REJECTED OR DENI IS NEVER RATIFIED.
IT'S NEVER LEGALLY BONDING CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT.
SO HOW WOULD WE KNOW, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IN AN ACCUSATORY MANNER, IT'S NOTHING AGAINST THE PROPERTY OWNER, ET CETERA.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THIS IS ANOTHER REASON THAT I RAN FOR COUNCIL OVER A YEAR AGO.
THERE'S SO MUCH BUREAUCRACY AND THERE ARE LIKE, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT KNEW THAT IF WE DENY THIS AGAIN IN A YEAR, YOU CAN BASICALLY DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT.
SO LIKE, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE? SO LIKE WE HAVE ALL OF THESE STATE AND LOCAL CODES AND REGULATIONS THAT ESSENTIALLY MEAN NOTHING.
UM, SORRY, I'M GONNA PUT IT IN IN POLITICALLY CORRECT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S NO GOOD FAITH OFFER MADE? WE DON'T, I MEAN WE WOULD JUST HAVE NOTICE THAT IT'S LISTED FOR SALE, BUT WE WOULDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE OFFERS MADE ON THAT BUILDING.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T, I'M LOOKING HERE.
HAVE ANY RESOURCES, MAYBE YOU CAN SEND THAT LANGUAGE OUT TO US TOO.
AND THEN I WILL SEND THIS OUT.
I'LL PROVIDE THIS TO, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS JUST PRESENTED WITH TODAY.