* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY, [00:00:01] I'D LIKE TO CALL THE, UH, FRONT [Town Council Work Session on January 9, 2022.] ROW TOWN COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER FOR MONDAY, JANUARY 9TH. UM, AND MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR CORO. HERE. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. COUNCILMAN MORRIS? HERE. COUNCILMAN R RAPPAPORT. HERE. COUNCILMAN ROGERS HERE. HOW'S MS. SEAK HERE? OKAY, WE'RE ALL HERE. THAT'S GREAT. UM, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS FOR THE COUNCIL TO SELECT A DATE FOR HOLDING A SPECIAL ELECTION TO FILL THE COUNCIL SEAT THAT WAS VACATED BY MYSELF, UM, ON JANUARY 1ST, 2023. SO I, I BELIEVE THIS IS KIND OF MORE OF A FORMALITY, RIGHT? MR. SONNET? WE JUST NEED TO ASK, UH, WE NEED TO ASK THE CIRCUIT COURT RIGHT TO SET THE DATE. RIGHT. AUTHOR AUTHORIZE TOWN ATTORNEY TO FILE A PETITION AND SPECIFY THE DATE. CORRECT. SO, UM, I DON'T, DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT THE DATE WOULD BE? THE, THE TWO OPTIONS WERE TO HAVE IT ON THE NEXT ELECTION, WHICH WOULD BE THE REGULAR GENERAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 7TH, OR, YEAH, NOVEMBER 7TH. WERE TO HAVE IT EARLIER. UM, IF WE WERE TO CHOOSE TO HAVE IT EARLIER, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO BEAR THE EXPENSE OF HAVING THAT ELECTION. SO I'M SHARING THAT WITH ALL OF YOU ALL. SO, UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I DO. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION, RIGHT? NO, I KNOW. I JUST, I JUST, I, OKAY. THE MOTION WASN'T IN HERE. THAT'S WHAT THE ONLY REASON WHY I HAVE IT. AND ON THIS MOTION, YOU, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION AFTER THE MOTION. THE LAST PART IS OPTIONAL, DEPENDS ON WHICH WAY. GOTCHA. SO YOU CAN, OFF PART OF THE MOTION, MS. MAYOR, I MOVE THE COUNCIL DIRECT THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO PETITION THE WARREN COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT TO ISSUE ARI OF ELECTION FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION TO BE HELD ON THE DATE OF THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION, WHICH IS THE TUESDAY NEXT, AFTER THE FIRST MONDAY IN NOVEMBER, WHICH IS A DATE NO LATER THAN 55 DAYS BEFORE THE DATE OF THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION TO FILL THE CURRENT VACANCY ON COUNCIL. NEED A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. NOW DISCUSSION NOW, AND WE'RE READY FOR DISCUSSION. I JUST, I WAS JUST DOWN AT A MEETING FOR THE 31ST, 31ST LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT COMMITTEE, UH, REGARDING THE UPCOMING NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, THE BUSY YEAR. UM, AS A CONSERVATIVE, FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE PERSON, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR THE TOWN TO BE PAYING TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION IN THE SPRING WHEN COUNSEL IS PERFECTLY CAPABLE OR THE COURT OF APPOINTING SOMEBODY TO FILL THAT SEAT IN THE INTERIM. AND THEN TO HAVE THIS ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, LIKE WE TYPICALLY ALWAYS DO. I BELIEVE, GEORGE, THE COST OF THAT WAS AROUND $30,000. WE'D HAVE TO INITIATE THE REGISTRAR. WE'D HAVE TO, TO OPEN THE VOTE IN POLLING PRECINCTS, PAY EMPLOYEES. UM, IT STILL DOES COST THE TOWN TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION WHEN SOMEBODY VACATES A SEAT, BUT WE'RE HAVING TO HAVE LORI'S MAYOR. IT ONLY COSTS ABOUT 3000 TO DO IT IN NOVEMBER VERSUS 30,000 TO HAVE IT IN THE SPRING. ROUGHLY. YES. SO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ACTUALLY, I'VE WENT THROUGH THREE OF THESE IN MY 14 MONTHS. I'M SURPRISED THAT IT WOULD COST, I'M SURPRISED IT WOULD COST ANYTHING IF THERE'RE ARE, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, IF THERE'S ALREADY AN ELECTION BEING HELD IN NOVEMBER, BUT WHATEVER, I DON'T MAKE THOSE RULES. SO IF WE WANTED AN ELECTION IN MARCH, IT WOULD COST US $30,000. YES, CORRECT. WE HAVE TO OPEN THE, ALL THE POLLING PRECINCTS, HAVE THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE WORK, ALL THE POLL WATCHERS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO WE HAVE FIVE TOWN PRECINCTS. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO DO AN APPOINTMENT. YES. WE WOULD APPOINT SOMEBODY UNTIL THE SPECIAL ELECTION IN NOVEMBER. SO WE'D APPOINT SOMEBODY AT THE END OF JANUARY TO FALL UNTIL THE NOVEMBER. SEE, THAT ONLY COSTS $3,000. GOT IT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. THAT'S HOW, YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S HOW WOULD WORK. UM, MUCH LIKE ACTUALLY IN YOUR SITUATION, I WAS GONNA SAY YOU'RE APPOINTED UNTIL, UNTIL NOVEMBER. NOVEMBER. AND SO, AND THE SAME THING WITH, UH, ANY FUTURE APPOINTMENT FOR THIS YEAR FOR MY OPEN SEAT. THEY WOULD, UM, THEY WOULD SERVE IN THAT ROLE UNTIL NOVEMBER, AND THEN THEY WOULD RUN TO FULFILL THAT SEAT, WHICH IS JUST LIKE DECEMBER. EXACTLY. GOT IT. EXACTLY. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE, UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS ABOUT NOT WAITING UNTIL NOVEMBER? ANYBODY, LIKE, WANNA SPEND $30,000 TO DO IT SOONER? . OKAY. DO WE HAVE THE MONEY BJ, TO SPEND 30? ? ALL RIGHT. SO THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. UM, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON THAT. OKAY. SO MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IS THE FIRST MONDAY IN NOVEMBER, OR THE FIRST [00:05:01] TUESDAY. TUESDAY. THE MONDAY IN NOVEMBER. UM, COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN MORRIS. YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT. YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS. YES. COUNCILMAN ? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT UP IS THE APPOINTMENT OF VICE MAYOR. UM, AND, UH, JUST TO, UH, LET YOU KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL'S REQUESTED TO APPOINT A MEMBER OF COUNCIL AS VICE MAYOR, AND THAT TERM WOULD EXPIRE DECEMBER 31ST, 2025. RIGHT? HOLD ON. 2324. ACTUALLY, THAT IS INCORRECT. WOULDN'T IT JUST BE FOR 23 TO THE END OF 24 AND 24? IT'S A TWO YEAR TERM FOR VICE MAYOR. TWO YEAR. YES. SO THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE DECEMBER 30. YEAH. SO IF THERE'S A MOTION MADE, IT SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS CORRECT IT TO SAY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024. I'M, I'M, I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT, RIGHT. WOULD YOU YES. YES. CORRECT. OKAY. UM, WE COULD, WE CAN DO THIS TWO WAYS. WE CAN DO NOMINATIONS OR IF SOMEBODY JUST WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION. SO I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO COUNSEL'S PREROGATIVE. BUT THERE IS A MOTION IN THE PACKET IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO, TO USE THAT. RIGHTY. THEN IS ANYBODY, CAN YOU, REFR CAN YOU REPHRASE THAT AGAIN? YES. SO YOU CAN, UM, THERE'S TWO WAYS WE COULD DO THIS. WE COULD TAKE NOMINATIONS MM-HMM. AND DISCUSS THAT, OR SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION. UM, THERE'S A MOTION IN, UM, IN THE AGENDA PACKET THAT SAYS I MOVE THAT. AND, AND WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY. THEY CAN MAKE A MOTION. WE CAN HAVE A SECOND. WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION AND THEN VOTE, OR WE CAN DO NOMINATIONS. UM, IT'S OKAY. SO WE CAN MAKE A, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO WHO THE YEP. YOU MAKE A MOTION, UM, AS TO WHO? YES. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AND JUST NEED A SECOND, AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON IT. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO RUTH. LET ME, LET ME GIVE IT TO YOU. THE PACKET, ACTUALLY. YES. I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPOINT WAYNE SEAK AS VICE MAYOR OF THE TOWN. FRONT ROW SAID TERM EXPIRE. DECEMBER 31ST, 2025. 2020. 24. 2012. 20. SORRY. YEAH. IT SAYS 25, RIGHT? YOU PAID, YOU'VE WRITTEN. WELL, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. SO, MS. PRESLEY, LET'S TAKE A VOTE. COUNCILMAN FROM YES. COUNCILMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS. YES. COUNCILMAN SEAK. YES. I GUESS IT WORK. IT WORKS LIKE THAT. UM, AND MR. SEAK, LET ME JUST SAY, MY INTENT IS NOT TO MISS THE LOT, SO HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK THERE. CONGRATULATIONS. THAT'S, THAT'S MY HOPE. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY. UM, THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR US, NUMBER FOUR IS THE SEPARATE ONE. SET THE ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR THE 2023 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS. UM, AND SO LET ME JUST SAY THAT, UM, AND THIS IS MORE FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, BUT EACH YEAR WE, UM, SET OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS, AND THAT'S WHERE THINGS CAN BE CHANGED. WE CAN MOVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS DIFFERENTLY THAN SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE CAN DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS. SO, UH, PURSUANT TO TOWN CODE CHAPTER FOUR 19, COUNSEL'S REQUEST TO PROVE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR REGULAR MEDIA AGENDAS OF COUNCIL FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2023, COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY MAKE AMENDMENTS TO WHAT IS PRESENTED, OR THEY MAY APPROVE WHAT IS PRESENTED. AND THE PRESENTATION'S ACTUALLY IN YOUR PACKET OR IN THE BOX WHERE YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE FINAL PRODUCT, IS WHAT WILL BE VOTED ON. AND SO THAT IS, UM, ACTUALLY IN YOUR PACKET, BUT I KNOW THE BOX, LET ME JUST SAY, THE BOX IS A, IS AN INTERESTING THING TO NAVIGATE. SO THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE NEW, ONE THING THAT, ONE THING THAT IT TOOK ME FOREVER TO KNOW IS IF YOU GO TO THE VERY FIRST PAGE AND YOU ACTUALLY TAP ON NUMBER FOUR, IT TAKES YOU RIGHT TO IT. UM, SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT THE ORDER OF BUSINESS THAT'S PRESENTED SAYS, MOMENT OF SILENCE. FIRST, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE ROLL CALL, THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES, ANY ADDITION OR DELETIONS OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA, UH, RECOGNITIONS, AWARDS, REPORTS, PRESENTATIONS, THEN PUBLIC HEARINGS, THEN PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND THEN THE REPORTS OF THE TOWN MANAGER, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND MAYOR. AND THEN CONSENT, AGENDA ITEMS, BUSINESS ITEMS. AND THEN IF [00:10:01] THERE IS A NEED FOR A CLOSED MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE IT THEN. SO I'M GONNA ENTERTAIN, UM, THE, UH, A MOTION FOR THIS MS. MAYOR. I MOVE THAT COUNSEL, APPROVE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR REGULAR COUNSEL MEETINGS FOR 2023 AS PRESENTED IN OUR AGENDA. SECOND FOR DISCUSSION, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT I HAVE, UM, LOOKED OVER THIS MULTIPLE TIMES AS A CONSTITUENT. I ATTENDED A LOT OF TOWN COUNCIL MEETINGS. I OFTEN SPOKE DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, UM, AS A CONSTITUENT. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THE ORDER OF BUSINESS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IS WELL CONDUCTED. UM, IT ALLOWS FOR BUSINESS TO BE COMPLETED AND ACCOMPLISHED, UM, LAYERED WITHIN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. UM, ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AS NUMBER SEVEN VERSUS NUMBER EIGHT, ALLOWS PEOPLE WHO CAME FOR NUMBER EIGHT TO REALIZE THAT WE'RE ALREADY HEARING THEIR COMMENTS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO THERE'S NOT A BUNCH OF REDUNDANCY, BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER CAME AND SPOKE AT A MEETING BEFORE WILL COME TO SPEAK, AND THEN THEY'LL REALIZE THAT THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. AND I THINK THE WAY THAT IT'S LAID OUT NOW DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SPEAK IN THE APPROPRIATE PLACES AT THE APPROPRIATE TIMES BEFORE THE BUSINESS IS VOTED ON. YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, AS A FORMER MEMBER OF PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, THIS FOLLOWS THE SAME SUIT THAT I'M USED TO FOLLOWING. UH, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE HAD OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ON THE OTHER LEVEL, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ADDED TO OUR MINISTERS RECENTLY THAT WAS NEW TO US. SO TO ME, THIS LOOKS FAMILIAR, VERY PUBLIC. OURS WAS THE SAME WAY WITH THE BORDER ZONE. I MEAN, IT WAS THE EXACT SAME WAY AS THIS, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU. AND IN THE PAST, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS CAME BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND AS, UM, COUNCILWOMAN MOORE SAID, THE ONLY PART ABOUT THAT IS, IS SOMETIMES, UM, PEOPLE WOULD SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WHEN IT WAS REALLY ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT WAS LATER GONNA COME UP AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND SO IT CAN, IT CAN BE SOMEWHAT CONFUSING. SO I, I'M, DO YOU ALL HAVE A, A THOUGHT ON THIS DIFFERENTLY? ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED ME? I'M HAPPY BOTH. OKAY. YES, I'M HAPPY WITH IT. OKAY. SO THERE'S A MOTIONAL BOARD. WE JUST NEED TO TAKE A VOTE THEN. NOT MADAM MAYOR, I'M SORRY. REQUIRES A SECOND. I, I HAD A SECOND. WAYNE SECOND. WE HAD, FIRST, WE HAD, WE HAD A MOTION IN THE SECOND. SO, UH, READY FOR THE VOTE? OKAY. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN ROB RAP COURT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. COUNCILMAN? YES. OKAY. BEFORE WE, UM, END, I JUST WANTED TO ASK HER, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS TO THE AGENDA? YES, MS. MAYOR, I HAVE AN ADDITION TO THE AGENDA. IT WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THE AGENDA ITEM WOULD BE A PROCLAMATION FOR RECOGNITION OF REVEREND JAMES M KILBY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THE SUMMARY OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME? UH, YOU CAN READ IT. THE SUMMARY WOULD BE THAT COUNSEL HAS RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM GENE KILBY TO APPROVE A PROCLAMATION TO RECOGNIZE THE LIFE OF REVEREND JAMES M KELBY, WHO PASSED AWAY ON DECEMBER 30TH, 2022. AND A CELEBRATION OF LIFE IS SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 10TH, 2023. MY PROPOSED MOTION IS I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE A PROCLAMATION FOR CLAIMING THAT ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 10TH, 2023, THE COMMUNITY OF FRONT ROYAL WILL CELEBRATE THE LIFE OF REVEREND JAMES M KILBY SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A FIRST, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, I, I, I HAD SEEN WHERE, UH, REVEREND KBY HAD PASSED AND HE WAS DEFINITELY AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND I WOULD READ THE PROCLAMATION, UM, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL BE SHARED TOMORROW AT HIS FUNERAL. AND REALLY, I, I, I DON'T WANNA SHARE IT BEFORE THEY'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SHARE IT WITH, UM, HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS TOMORROW AT THE FUNERAL. SO WOULD THAT BE OKAY, MS. PRESBY? WE JUST DON'T READ IT. IT'LL BE HERE IN THE MINUTES. AND, UM, AND AS I SAID, THEY'LL SHARE, UM, THEY'LL SHARE THIS TOMORROW. UM, AND I KNOW WE SEND OUR PRAYERS WITH THE KILBY FAMILY AND, UM, BE THINKING ABOUT THEM. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. WE'VE DISCUSSED, CAN WE VOTE COUNCIL INGRAM? YES. COUNCIL MOORE? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS COUNCIL? YES. OKAY. THAT PASSED. UH, WE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY ADJOURN OUR SPECIAL MEETING. DON'T GO ANYWHERE, FOLKS. SPECIAL MEETING. WE'RE GONNA DO ADJOURN. THIS SPECIAL MEETING. I'M GONNA GIVE EVERYBODY LIKE TWO MINUTES IF SOMEBODY NEEDS A QUICK BREAK. AND THEN WE'LL START ON OUR, UH, WORK SESSION. [00:15:01] OKAY. THAT WE ARE, WE, WE'LL BE STARTING THE WORK SESSION IN JUST A MOMENT. UH, MR. BION, CAN YOU JUST ASK IF HE COULD HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET DOWN THE STREET? EVERYBODY IN TWO MINUTES? ANYBODY NEEDS A, A POTTY BREAK OR, UM, OR, UM, ANY OTHER BREAK? SINCE IT'S A WORK SESSION, WE WON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR POTTY BREAKS. IF YOU HAVE TO GO DURING, LIKE, MY FIRST REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, WE HAD TO VOTE UNANIMOUSLY TO TAKE A BATHROOM BREAK ON THE GUYS. YOU'RE GOOD. YOU'RE ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I'M GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE WORK SESSION. UM, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL AGAIN? MAYOR CORA. HERE. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. COUNCILMAN MORRIS? HERE. COUNCILMAN RAPAPORT? HERE. COUNCILMAN ROGERS HERE. COUNCILMAN SEAK HERE. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. AND, UM, AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE, WE HAVE A PRETTY PACKED AGENDA HERE. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GO THROUGH THESE. UM, THE FIRST THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS OUR ITEMS THAT ARE SLATED FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE 23RD. AND THE FIRST ONE, OP IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 3 0 9 EAST PROSPECT STREET. AND I'M GONNA LET MS. KISHK, I THINK ACTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT SEVERAL OF THESE FOR A WHILE, MS. WARREN. SO, AND COUNSEL ALSO HAS, UM, ALL OF THIS IN THEIR AGENDA. AND AGAIN, I, I APOLOGIZE IF I'M OVEREXPLAINING, BUT, UM, MAINLY FOR NEW PEOPLE TO SEE HOW YOU CAN FLOW THROUGH THIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, YOUR FIRST ITEM IS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, AT 3 0 9. UM, EAST PROSPECT STREET. SO THE APPLICANT IS, UH, REQUESTING A, I BELIEVE A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL. THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R THREE, UM, STAFFED AT AN INSPECTION ON NOVEMBER 30TH. IT PASSED. THAT IS IN CONFORMANCE. THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF PARKING AND PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ANY QUESTIONS? UH, DOWN IN THE, UH, THIS SECTION UNDER SPECIFIC, UH, PROPERTY DETAILS MM-HMM. , UM, LET'S SEE. STATE'S SINGLE TWO-STORY HOUSE WITH HALF BASEMENT LOCATED IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW. HUGE. UM, BAR TREE. YEAH, I CALLED THAT TOWN. I'M SURE IT MEANS SPRUCE TREE, RIGHT? ALL I'M, I'M, I'M GLAD TO BE HERE. NO, YOU WERE ME. I LIKE, I LIKE YOUR SPELLING SAVVY . RIGHT. UH, IN THE FRONT YARD, PARTIAL FENCE, BACKYARD HOUSE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM RENTAL. UM, I'VE FOCUSED ON THE SHORT TERM AND LONG-TERM RENTAL STATEMENT. YEAH. THERE AND UM, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING SO THEY DON'T, CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT PLEASE? SO THEY DON'T NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A LONG-TERM RENTAL, BUT THEY DO NEED IT FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS, I THINK THEY WANT THE FLEXIBILITY. SO IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A LONG-TERM TENANT, I THINK THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND VICE VERSA, IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE REVENUE THAT THEY NEED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THEY CAN SWITCH TO LONG TERM. WELL THIS PROPERTY HAD IT FOR SALE SIGN IN FRONT OF THE OTHER WEEK, IT'S STILL FOR SALE. WELL THESE PEOPLE PROBABLY BOUGHT, BOUGHT IT. I LOVE TO SEE THE MIX USE SHORT-TERM, LONG TERM RENTAL PERSONALLY, UM, AS SOMEBODY WHO'S HAD INVESTMENT PROPERTIES, IT IS NICE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A TIME WHERE PEOPLE SIGN LEASES. ESPECIALLY WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR WORKFORCE OR TEACHERS HERE IN WARREN COUNTY AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT MOVING IN THE WINTER. USUALLY THEY'RE MOVING IN THE SUMMER BEFORE THEIR CONTRACT STARTS OR ENDS. SO WHEN YOU HAVE AN OFF PERIOD IN THE FALL OR THE WINTER AND IT'S LEAF SEASON AND VACATION SEASON HERE, UM, THEY CAN DO IT SHORT TERM. UH, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL HAVE A GOOD LONG-TERM RUNNER IN THERE. BUT THEN AGAIN, IF THEY HAVE A CRAPPY LONG-TERM RUNNER, THEY CAN KICK 'EM OUT AND GO SHORT TERM. SO I LOVE TO SEE THE FLEXIBILITY OF IT. UM, AND THAT'S ALL FELL THAT WARREN, CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT SHORT-TERM IS? IS THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS? UNDER 14 DAYS? SAY AGAIN? UNDER 14 DAYS. UNDER 14 DAYS, YEAH. 14 CONSECUTIVE DAYS. UM, AND THEN ANYTHING BEYOND 30, I WOULD SAY IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE LONG TERM RENTAL. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME IN THAT HAVE STARTED DOING THE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT HAVE SAID IT'S JUST NOT AS PROFITABLE AS THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE. UM, PAST LEAF SEASON, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEMAND. SO HOW IS THAT MONITORED? SO THE WAY IT WORKS IS ONCE WE ISSUE THE PERMIT AND WE SEND OUT THE APPROVAL LETTER MM-HMM. , UM, IF WE [00:20:01] ONLY GO BACK IN, LIKE WE DO AN INSPECTION, IF WE RECEIVE A COMPLAINT, UM, SO IT WOULD BE A, A CITIZEN COMPLAINT MM-HMM. COMPLAINT OVER 14 DAYS, LET'S SAY. MM-HMM. . OKAY. GOT IT. HOWEVER, IF THIS HAS BEEN IS IT'S RECOGNIZING THAT SOMEBODY'S BEEN THERE LONGER THAN 14 DAYS. CUZ I PICKED UP ON THAT TOO, BRUCE. I HONESTLY, IN ALL THE APPLICATIONS WE'VE SEEN UP UNTIL NOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN WHERE IT'S SAID SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM. AND I CIRCLED THAT TOO, LIKE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BUT, SO IF THEY'RE THERE FOR MORE THAN 14 DAYS, IT COULD JUST MEAN THAT THEY'RE RENTING IT FOR A MONTH OR TWO AND AT THAT POINT THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE A LEASE. I'M NOT GONNA MONITOR THAT. NO. UNLESS THERE IS A COMPLAINT FILED. AND THEN WE'D STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT, DO I HAVE THE JURISDICTION WITH ON PAGE THIS ONE ANYWAY, WHERE SAYS, UH, IN CASE OF EMERGENCY MM-HMM. YOU'VE GOT THE FRONT ROW POLICE DEPARTMENT NUMBER DOWN, WHICH IS CORRECT ON 9 1 1. YOU HAVE FRONT ROW FIRE DEPARTMENT. THAT NUMBER YOU HAVE THERE IS FOR THE FIREHOUSE ITSELF. THERE'S NOBODY THERE 24 7 ON THE APPLICATION. DID THE APPLICANT PUT THAT OR DID IT START NO, NO, NO. IT'S PRINTED ON THERE. OKAY. IT NEEDS TO BE 4 1 28 FOR THE, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR 9 1 1. BUT THE 54 IS ACTUALLY THE HOUSE PHONE AND THEY'RE ON A CALL. THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO ANSWER IT. I LOVE THEIR EVACUATION DIAGRAM. IF THEY MADE FOR YOU GUYS, THEY HAVEN'T THEIR CHRISTMAS TREE IN THERE. AND THEN I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT SHORT TERM VERSUS LONG-TERM RENTALS. UM, THEY HAVE MORE CHECKED AND THEY'RE PLANNING AND ZONING APPLICATION FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAN MOST LONG-TERM RENTALS DO IN FRONT ROYAL. SO I MEAN, THE FACT OF THE MATTER HERE IS YOU'VE GOT CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTORS, SMOKE DETECTORS, FIRE EXTINGUISHERS AND EVACUATION PLAN. I'VE RENTED A HOUSE OR APARTMENT IN FRONT ROYAL LONG TERM THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE THINGS. SO I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING A REALLY GREAT JOB OF VETTING AND MONITORING THESE. UM, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS YET. UM, SO I'D LOVE TO SEE IT. AND WHO GOVERNS, LIKE TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT MORE THAN SIX PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE FOR A SHORT TERM RENTALS A COMPLAINT BASIS? IT'S, IT'S COMPLAINT BASIS. OKAY. SO, UM, WHEN THEY ADVERTISE, WE COULD, AS IN THEORY, WE COULD GO BACK AND CHECK THEIR ADVERTISEMENTS AND SEE IF THEY'RE SAYING IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, EIGHT 10, OUR, SORRY, OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT PERMIT MORE THAN 10 AT ANY GIVEN RESIDENCE. UM, SO IT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO CHECK IF WE HAD CASE. SO SINCE COUNCILMAN, UH, BROUGHT THAT UP AND I'M, I'M ASSUMING LAUREN, THIS IS OUR PART, RIGHT? THIS IS STILL OUR PART. THIS IS PART OF OUR APPLICATION, YES. OKAY. AND SO WHERE THEY PUT OCCUPANCY MM-HMM. , I THINK THEY HAD EIGHT AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THEY CROSSED IT OUT TO PUT SIX, RIGHT? YEAH. BASED ON TWO PER ROOM, TWO PEOPLE PER BEDROOM. BUT THEN IF YOU GO OVER HERE, UM, UNDER THEIR HOUSE RULES IT SAYS THE MAXIMUM PROPERTY CAPACITY IS EIGHT PEOPLE. SO THE WAY TO CORRECT THAT WOULD BE WHEN YOU MAKE A MOTION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU CAN PUT A CONDITION ON THERE TO STATE NO MORE THAN TWO OCCUPANTS PER BEDROOM. AND THAT'LL CORRECT. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, WE JUST RECENTLY APPROVED A SHORT TERM RENTAL ON CHESTER STREET WHERE WE INCLUDED A PULLOUT COUCH IN THE LIVING ROOM FOR TWO OCCUPANTS. RIGHT. SO IT'S TWO PER BEDROOM. BUT COUNSEL COLLECTIVELY AGREED AT THAT TIME, UM, THAT A PULLOUT COUCH THAT TURNED INTO A BED IN THE LIVING ROOM WOULD ALSO JUSTIFY CONSTITUTE SLEEPING TOO AS WELL. AND WE DID APPROVE THAT AND PASS THAT. SO JUST FOR CONSISTENCY AND TRANSPARENCY, SAFE, YOU WANNA THROW THAT OUT THERE? I JUST WAS POINTING IT OUT THAT THEY CONTRADICTED EACH OTHER. THAT WAS REALLY AMAZING. THEY DID. AND THEN, UM, JUST BLEW UP. WHAT I, CUZ THIS IS OURS WHERE IT'S SAYS SPECIFIC PROPERTY DETAILS. WE JUST NEED TO PROB WE JUST NEED TO SPELL SPECIFIC. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE BE MADAM MAYOR. WOULD, WOULD WE BE OUT OF ORDER AT THIS POINT TO BRING UP POTENTIAL, UM, RE-LOOKING AT, UH, HOW WE ARE HANDLING RESIDENTIAL, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS IN TERMS OF, UH, POTENTIALLY RE-DISCUSSING NOT AT THIS WORK SESSION, BUT MAYBE AT A FUTURE ONE? SURE. SO WHAT THE BEST PLACE FOR THAT WOULD BE AT NUMBER EIGHT, WHERE IT'S OPEN DISCUSSION. THAT'S WHERE WE ADD ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE LIKE WANNA BRING UP. GOTCHA. AND TALK ABOUT LIKE HOW TO GET IN ON ANOTHER AGENDA OR WHATEVER. SO, OKAY. SO NUMBER EIGHT, WE'LL COME BACK TO IT. THANK YOU, BRUCE. WE'RE ALSO REWRITING THE, WE'VE STARTED THE, SO IN ORDINANCE REWRITE, THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THERE TOO. SO IT'LL BE GOOD FOR US TO CHAT WITH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MS. LAUREN. TWO B AND DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON TWO A? [00:25:01] I JUST SAY AS I SAW THIS AS PART PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, AND WE, UH, WE SCRUTINIZING IT. SO JUST, JUST SAME WITH WHOEVER WE DO THE OTHER ONES. AND, AND I THINK THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMENDATION TO RECOMMEND. SO, SO THAT'LL, THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT ON JANUARY 23RD. SO WE'LL GO TO, UM, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 3 0 2 BLUE RIDGE AVENUE. THIS APPLICATION WAS ALSO FOR, UM, A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, I BELIEVE WITH, UM, THE PROPERTY. IT'S LOCATED IN THE R THREE DISTRICT AND ALSO IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, THE APPLICANT I THINK STATED THAT AT TIMES THERE MAY BE AN OCCUPANT ON THE GROUND FLOOR, BUT THEY DID NOT INDICATE IF THAT WAS, UM, CONSISTENT. UM, AND PLAN, THIS ONE WAS INSPECTED I THINK ON NOVEMBER 30TH AS WELL. IT IS IN COMPLETE COMPLIANCE WITH 1 75, 1 51 AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITHOUT ANY COMMISSIONS. THE IS THE ONE WE SPOKE ABOUT LAST MEETING WHERE THE HOMEOWNER WAS GOING TO ALSO, UH, BE IN THE HOME THAT WAS GOING TO BE AN OWNER OCCUPIED. ONE OF THE OWNERS IS OCCUPYING A DOWNSTAIRS BEDROOM, I BELIEVE. PART-TIME PART. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T THINK IT GUARANTEED, BUT CAN I JUST ASK WHY THERE ARE NO OTHER ATTACHMENTS TO THIS ONE? LIKE, LIKE, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN AN ADMISSION ON OUR PART. OKAY. WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT FOR THAT THAT WAS SENT TO OKAY. SO YOU, SO ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITH THE REST OF THE SHORT TERMS, LIKE THEIR, THEIR EVACUATION PLAN YES. AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. YOU, I HAVE, YOU'VE HAD, YOU HAVE ALL THAT. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, COUNSEL WAS AWARE OF THAT. I WAS JUST LOOKING THROUGH, I I BELIEVE THIS IS THE HOUSE I JUST SAW YESTERDAY THAT'S BEING ADVERTISED FOR RENT AS THE BIG BIRDHOUSE. UM, HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THAT? THE MARKETING IS GENIUS. I LOVE IT. I LOVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO INVEST AND TAKE CARE OF IT. UM, CONSIDERING THE WAY THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY MARKETING THIS, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET THIS HOUSE GET OVERRUN OR NASTY. AND I JUST, I MIGHT RENT THE BIG BIRDHOUSE. THEY TOOK ME A COUPLE TIMES TO READ THAT. I THOUGHT, WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? IT'S VERY WELL, COW. IS THIS LIKE SOME KIND OF BIG INVESTMENT FOR THEM OR SOMETHING ELSE? NO, NO. THEY'RE IN ELEPHANT. THEY'RE TWO DOORS DOWN FOR ME. YEAH. THEY, UM, THEY'RE, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA. THAT'S GREAT. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT TOO FAR FROM YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS ON THE, JUST RIGHT UP STRAIGHT UP STRAIGHT. YEAH. TWO DOORS OUT FROM THEM. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ADD. THE BIG BIRD HOUSE? YES. . OKAY. UH, SO I BELIEVE THAT THE NEXT THING IS ACTUALLY, UM, TWO C, WHICH IS THE AMENDED PROPERS FOR THE, UH, JUAN ESTATES. AND THAT'S YOU TOO, LAUREN? YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, HEP TED LLC, THEY, UH, SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO AMEND THEIR PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROFFERS. THE PROFFERS WERE APPROVED IN 2012, FEBRUARY OF 2012, I BELIEVE. AND THIS AMENDMENT, UH, REQUESTED A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF TOTAL UNITS. SO IT WENT FROM 450 DOWN TO 335. THERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF, I BELIEVE 170 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNITS AND THEN 165, UM, ATTACHED. SO LIKE TOWN HOMES. UM, AND THE APPLICANT, UH, REQUESTED THEY HAD INITIALLY REQUESTED A REDUCTION IN THE LOT SIZE WHEN THEY SENT THE AMENDED PROFFERS, THEY INCREASED THE LOT SIZE. UM, AND THEY HAVE ALSO ADDRESSED ANY PLANNING COMMISSION'S, UM, CONDITIONS AND CONCERNS. AND THAT SHOULD BE IN THE COPY THAT COUNSEL RECEIVED. UM, THERE WERE A FEW TEXT CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED, A FEW GRAMMATICAL CHANGES, UM, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION. YEP. PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL. YEAH. WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH THESE CONDITIONS. YEP. STATE AGREE HERE. I WAS GONNA SAY I'M COMMISSION AND MAYOR NOTICED THAT AS WELL. SO, SO I'LL JUST GO AROUND, UM, GIVE ANYBODY ANY OPPORTUNITY TO QUESTIONS. MR. COUNCILMAN RAPORT, I'LL START WITH YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THIS? LOOKS LIKE YOU DO. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU, WELL, I, I, UH, I WROTE SOME NOTES DOWN, UH, IN PARTICULAR, I MAY BE GETTING IN INTO TOO, TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I DO. YOU HAVE, UM, THE, UH, TOWNHOUSE AREA OF IT MM-HMM. , IT'S GONNA BE 165. YES. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. AND, UH, UH, [00:30:01] I, I HAVE A PROPERTY DOWN IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY THAT'S IN AN HOA. AND, UM, THEY, THEY HAVE ROADS THAT ARE ABOUT, UH, 26 FEET MM-HMM. , UH, I THINK FROM CURB TO OCCUR. MM-HMM. , UH, THE PARKING, I'M, I'M QUESTIONING NOW, HOW WILL THE PARKING BE HANDLED? BECAUSE THE, THESE HOMES WILL PROBABLY BE IN, I HAVE, I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN THE PLAN COMPLETELY, BUT THE, OH, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NO, UH, BUT THEY'LL PROBABLY BE LIKE IN CLUSTERS OF FOUR OR FIVE ON TOWN HOMES. USUALLY OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T PERMIT, UM, MORE THAN EIGHT FLUSTERED TOGETHER. SO THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM CLUSTER WOULD BE EIGHT UNITS. RIGHT. SO, SO, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE SORT OF PACKED IN TO THESE CONFINED AREAS AND, UH, I'M, I'M, UH, MY, MY CONCERN IS THE PARKING MM-HMM. , UM, THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THE GARAGES AS STORAGE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. OR THEIR MAN CAVES OR, OR, OR LADY'S CAVES. SO OUR, OUR SUBJECT IS AN ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE THAT THEY PROVIDE AT LEAST TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT, OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE A PARKING AREA. ALL OF THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED AT THE SITE, SITE PLAN PROCESS, WHICH PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD ALSO HAVE TO REVIEW. OKAY. SO THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY AT SITE PLAN REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A QUESTION. SO YOU'VE GOT TWO PER HOUSEHOLD MM-HMM. BASICALLY, BUT THAT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT VISITORS, ABOUT ACTIVITIES. RIGHT. AND I, I BELIEVE OUR ORDINANCE ALSO REQUIRES, I THINK 18 FEET FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAYS. SO YOU WOULD IN THEORY, BE ABLE TO STACK TWO CARS OKAY. NEXT TO EACH OTHER. BUT I, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK THAT. OKAY. UNDER DESIGN GUIDELINES, IT SAYS STAFF COMMENT, THE LOSS OF AREA IS EQUAL TO 250 SQUARE FEET OF LOT SIZE. AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE ADEQUATE ONSITE PARKING STAFF HAS NO CONCERNS OVER LOT SIZE. YES. I'M ASSUMING THAT, THAT HAVING THAT ADDED IN ADDRESSES BOTH OF THESE GENTLEMEN. YES. AND THE APPLICANTS, UH, THEY CALLED AND WHEN THEY SENT OVER THAT NEW SET OF PROFFERS MM-HMM. AND STATED THAT THE, UM, THEY HAD INCREASED THE LOT SIZE BACK TO I THINK 50 BY 60. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT 250 SQUARE FOOT. YEAH. IT SAYS REDUCTION LOT SIZE FROM 50 TO 60. SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY'VE ACTUALLY GONE BACK TO YEAH. THIS, SO I BELIEVE THEY INDICATED ALSO THAT THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS WOULD BE 6,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH OTHER REZONING REQUESTS AND OTHER LOT SIZES WE HAVE IN. NOW, WILL THAT HAVE TO BE IN WRITING BEFORE COUNCIL VOTES ON THAT? ON THE 23RD? IT'S IN THE PROFFERS. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR PUBLIC HEARING, THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS AND, AND BRING UP WITH THE APPLICANT. BUT IT'LL BE IN THE PROFFERS BEFORE THE 23RD. OKAY. WELL, YOU JUST SAID THEY CALLED BACK, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THEY CALLED THAT DAY THAT THEY SENT THEM GOTCHA. AND CHANGED THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEY'RE ALSO OFFERING A PARK, A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, I BELIEVE. AND, UM, THE, THE, UH, THE PARK VALUE IS, UH, BASED AT UH, $350,000. SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR CREDIT ON THE PROFFERS FOR, FOR THE SCHOOL SCHOOLS, YES. AND I GUESS FIRE AND THE RESCUE, BUT NOW WHO'S GONNA TAKE THAT? WELL, THE, IS THAT, WILL THE, WILL THE COUNTY TAKE OVER THE PARK AND RESCUE? YES. THEY WOULD DEDICATE THAT LAND TO, UH, OR THEY WOULD DEDICATE IT FOR EITHER FIRE AND EMS LIKE FIREHOUSE OR THEY WOULD DEDICATED IT AS PARK SPACE AND THE COUNTY WOULD ACCEPT THAT WE'VE GOT A 1998 OR 1999 AGREEMENT WHERE THE COUNTY TOOK ALL OF THAT OVER BACK THEN AND YEAH. YEAH. I WONDER JURISDICTION WOULD THE COUNTY, UH, OPT TO NOT TAKE IT AND TAKE THE MONEY FOR THE SCHOOLS AND YEAH, SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GONNA COME IN. DO HAVE, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, WE'VE BEEN KICKING THE CAN GIVEN EXTENSIONS ON THIS HEP HABITAT STUFF. UH, SORRY, YOU GOT A TURN. UM, BUT MY QUESTIONS FOR PIGGYBACKING OFF OF THAT, I DON'T WANT A $350,000 PARK. WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKS IN TOWN. THAT'S NICE OF 'EM. BUT WE ADDRESSED THIS ON COUNCIL AND I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT IT. LF K IS CURRENTLY UNDER, I BELIEVE ABOUT A $10 MILLION RENOVATION. AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY, I THINK EIGHT STUDENTS OVER CAPACITY. AS IT STANDS, THE RENOVATION ISN'T MAKING THE SCHOOL ANY LARGER. IT'S ADDRESSING CONCERNS WITH HEATING AND AIR MOLD, UM, NOT HAVING A GEM. AND, UH, ANYWAYS, ALL OF THAT IS [00:35:01] FOR THE COUNTY TO ADDRESS, BUT HAVE HAS, HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THE IMPACT STUDY FOR THIS? CUZ I HAVEN'T. YES. AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. IT IS. I'VE BEEN SCROLLING AND I SCROLLED THROUGH IT BEFORE, BUT, UM, SO THAT WAS, I JUST WANTED TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT. AND THEN I, THERE WAS, I, AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE SENT IT OR NOT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. WE HAVE AN EMAIL FROM THE WARREN COUNTY, UM, SUPERINTENDENT'S OFFICE STATING THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EDUCATIONAL CAPACITY AND THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF THESE SCHOOLS AND OR EIGHT OVER EDUCATIONAL, NOT MAXIMUM CAPACITY, BUT WE DON'T WANT GET THERE. AND WE'RE THERE WITH, UM, TWO OF THE OTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. SO JUST CURRENTLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING CRISIS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE MINDFUL THAT WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING ALL OF THESE HOUSES ON LEACH RUN AND WE HAVE ANOTHER PROPOSED PLAN OUT IN SHOWN TO SHORES IN THE TOWN, WE THREE OUT OF WHAT FIVE OF OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE AT OR OVER CAPACITY. UM, AND SO WE JUST NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. AND THEN I WANTED TO BRING UP ON PAGE 12, IT SAYS STAFF WILL ADDRESS THIS COMMENT WITH A RECOMMENDED CONDITION. THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST AND INSTALLATION OF STORMWATER MITIGATION ON SITE. WHEN I RAN FOR COUNSEL MY FIRST TIME, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SEVERELY FRUSTRATED ME WAS ALL OF THE WAIVERS FOR THIS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT IN SEVERAL AREAS. SOME PLACES WHERE ONLY TWO HOMES WERE BUILT, BUT STORMWATER MITIGATION IS ESSENTIALLY WAIVED OR PASSED ONTO WHOEVER PURCHASES THE HOME, THEN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT. SO I'D JUST LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. UM, CUZ IT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT. I CONCUR THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF DRAINAGE DRAWN INTO SOME SORT, I THINK INTENTION, ADEQUATE CURBING IN THE SITE PLAN STAFF WOULD REVIEW THAT, COUNTY STAFF WOULD REVIEW THAT AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MR. ROGERS, DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THE I PARTICULAR ITEM? MR, HOW ABOUT YOU? NO, NO. MR. MR. NO, NOT AT THIS TIME MAAM. OKAY. UM, SO I HAD A COUPLE. ONE IS, AND I THINK THE FURTHER I READ, I THINK I GOT MY ANSWER, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. ACCESS ROAD. SO WHEN SWAN STATES, WHEN THERE WAS TALK MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN THIS FIRST CAME ABOUT. UM, YEAH, I'M SURE YOU WERE LITTLE CUZ IT WAS WHEN I FIRST MOVED OVER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND OF COURSE I TEACH AT HILDA J BARBER. SO, BUT, UM, THE IDEA WAS, IS THAT THE ROAD WAS GONNA COME AND IT WAS GONNA GO, YOU KNOW, IT'S COMING FROM WESTMINSTER WESTMINSTER AND THEN, AND THE HIGH SCHOOL'S HERE AND THE, YOU KNOW, BASEBALL FIELD, SOFTBALL FIELD. AND THEN IT WAS GONNA GO RIGHT THROUGH THERE AND, YOU KNOW, CONNECT INTO WAN STATE MM-HMM. . UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THAT DID WAN STATE DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND SO THERE IS NO ROAD COMING OUT OF HILDA. J BARBER IS, IT'S REALLY AT A, UM, AT A SAFETY ISSUE. YEAH. ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT WHEN THINGS HAD HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, UM, SO THE, I THINK WHEN I READ FURTHER IN THERE, I BELIEVE THAT THEY AGREED TO HAVING SWAN STATE'S CONNECT INTO WESTMINSTER. DOES THAT, I I, I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THAT WAS IN THERE, RIGHT? I I WOULD ASSUME THE COUNTY WOULD WANT THAT AS WELL BECAUSE YES, I I THINK STAFF MADE A COMMENT ABOUT INTER PARCEL CONNECTIVITY YES. SUPPORTING THAT. AND THAT CAN ALWAYS BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL ALSO THAT COUNCIL PUTS ON THERE. SO PUT THAT ON MY LIST OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THERE BECAUSE I, UM, I MEAN THAT WAS REALLY, WHEN THEY BUILT HILDA J BARBER BACK THERE, THERE, THERE REALLY WAS NO INTENT THAT IT WOULD NEVER HAVE ANY WAY OTHER THAN ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT. UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT A DENSITY BONUS IS? IT TALKS ABOUT THAT MM-HMM. , UM, AND I THINK IT WAS ON UNDER THE SUMMARY, IT SAYS MODERN PLANNING PRINCIPLE GENERALLY PROMOTE HIGHER DENSITY AND CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT. HOLD ON. THAT WASN'T IT, IT TALKED ABOUT A DENSITY BONUS AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT IS THAT PAGE REFERENCE MAYOR? I KNOW, I'M TRYING TO, I KNOW WHAT PAGE I WROTE THE NOTES ON, BUT, UM, IT WAS ON PAGE THREE. LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. CLUSTERING EVERYTHING. CLUSTERING EVERYTHING BECAUSE THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE IS NOT SOUTH. YEAH, IT'S OKAY. IT SAYS TOWN CODE SECTION 1 75 DASH 37 0 9 PERMIT THE DENSITY OF UP TO SIX, UH, DU PER ACRE IN THE P AND D DISTRICT SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A DENSITY BONUS BY TOWN COUNCIL. THAT WAS, I BELIEVE, ADDRESSED IN THE 2012 OR WHENEVER THE LAST REZONING WAS. SO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 2012. UM, [00:40:01] BUT WHEN THEY WENT FROM, I THINK IT WAS AN RE OR AN R ONE OVER TO THE P AND D ZONING THAT'S GONNA GAVE THEM THAT DENSITY BONUS AND ALLOWED THEM TO GO UP TO SIX DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND I THINK HERE THEY'RE GONNA BE AROUND, UH, THREE OR FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. OKAY. BUT IT'S FOR THE CLUSTERING. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA ENCOURAGE. AND ESPECIALLY ON A SITE LIKE THAT, UM, YOU WANT, YOU WANT AS LITTLE DISTURBANCE AS POSSIBLE. THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASK IS CUZ THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT SAYS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF AGAINST THE DENSITY BENEFIT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. I BELIEVE THAT'S OKAY. SO THAT, SO OKAY THEN THAT DIDN'T, SO REALLY THOSE, IT WAS JUST THE WORDING. ALL RIGHT THEN THERE IS WAY DOWN HERE, UH, I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE ONE SIDE PART. IT TALKED ABOUT, UM, ALL COMMON AREAS. UH, HOLD ON, I'M SORRY. THESE ARE NOT, THESE IPADS ARE NOT AS, THESE ARE FRIEND AS PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE, UM, IT BASICALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY WOULD THE HOA, IF I CAN FIND IT ALL RIGHT. ALL THE WAY UNDER THE SECTION CREATION OF A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS LIKE SIX, 6.1 SAYS A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION SHALL BE CREATED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY UNIT SHALL BE MADE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF ALL COMMON AREAS. AND THAT KIND OF PIGGYBACKED OFF OF WHAT MR. RAPPAPORT WAS SAYING ABOUT, SO ARE THOSE, IS THAT COMMON AREA? THE PARK, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK GRASSY AREAS? YEP. THE, OKAY, SO JUST THE GRASSY AREAS, TRAILS, ANYTHING THAT, OKAY. THAT IS DEEMED COMMON AREA AND THAT'LL BE EXPLAINED AND LAID OUT IN THE DEEDS. OKAY. WELL THAT'LL BE SHOWN IN THE SITE SITE AND THAT'LL ALSO BE SHOWN IN THE SITE PLAN OKAY. AS WELL. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP WAS BECAUSE WHEN I READ THAT, I THOUGHT WHO KIND OF WHAT MR. REPPER WAS SAYING IS, IS THERE A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? I KNOW YOU SAID THAT, THAT I KNOW NOT THE TOWN, BUT I, I GUESS WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET OUTTA HERE IS THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING THE COUNTY UP FOR A, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOW GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ADDITIONAL PARK AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ALL I LIKE. ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PARK? ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PARK? I KNOW WE ARE NOT, IT SAYS THE HOAS, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, I KNOW THE HOA AT THE BOTTOM OF MY HOLE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE POND AND THAT'S CREATED A MAJOR ISSUE. UM, SO SOMETIMES WITH THEM, SO, SO WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PARK AND THEY'RE GONNA WORK IT OUT WITH THE COUNTY. IT'S GONNA DE WHEN THEY, THEY DO THE SITE PLAN, THE COMMON AREAS THAT I THINK THEY'RE REFERRING TO ARE GONNA BE MORE OF LIKE THE WALKING PATHS, THE GREEN SPACES, THINGS LIKE THAT. IF THEY DEDICATE LAND TO THE COUNTY FOR, UH, FIRE STATION OR FOR A COMMUNITY PARK, THAT WILL BE, THAT'LL BE ITS OWN SEPARATE DE ITS OWN SEPARATE DOCUMENT. AND THAT WILL BE HANDLED WITH THE COUNTY AND THE BOARD OF SUPER SUPERVISORS. NOT THE TOWN, BUT, AND OUR TOWN STAFF WON'T BE MOWING THE TRAILS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. UNLESS THERE'S A ZONING VIOLATION. I, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO, WHICH WE DO HAVE TO DO. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT TWO C? I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, IT'S ON PAGE FIVE THAT IT TALKS ABOUT THE EXISTING WEST MINISTER DRIVE EXTENSION FOR SWAN STATE DRIVE. IT'S 3.2. THE REASON I WANTED TO BRING IT UP AND REITERATE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT, IT STATES THAT THE APP APPLICANT PROFFERS TO MAKE ITS BEST EFFORTS TO HAVE THE SCHOOL BOARD DEDICATE THE WEST MINISTER CONNECTOR EASEMENT TO THE TOWN AND BE SIMPLE. SO THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP IS CUZ LAURA USED A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HILDA J BARBER. IT'S NO SURPRISE WE'RE HEADED TOWARDS A MILD RECESSION. THE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, DOWNFALL IS COMING AT THE SECOND HALF OF 2023. AND I'VE SEEN AS THE DAUGHTER OF A SUPERINTENDENT WHO WORKED FOR A LARGE DEVELOPER HERE LOCALLY, THESE ROADS OFTEN TAKE LAST PRECEDENCE IN THESE PROJECTS. AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS ALL GET CONSTRUCTED AND BE FINISHED AND THEN NOT HAVE THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE AND NOW THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED DRASTICALLY. SO I DID SEE ON PAGE FIVE WHERE THAT'S ADDRESSED FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD IN THE TOWN TO ADDRESS AFTER THEY PROFFER THAT. SO ARE WE RESPONSIBLE TO, I MEAN WILL THAT, THAT WOULD GO TO THE TOWN, RIGHT? SO BUT I'M SAYING AND THAT WOULD HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE OR WOULD THAT BE THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT WOULD, IN THAT INSTANCE THEY WOULD, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DATED, IT WOULD BE SIMPLE. I BELIEVE THAT THE TOWN WOULD ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY. WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT ROAD, BRING THAT INTO OUR SYSTEM IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT LANGUAGE. YEAH. UM, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. I'LL GET BACK TO YOU JOE. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? THAT WE I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE I CAN FOLLOW UP. I DON'T WANNA COMMENT. RIGHT. I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE BUT WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT WITH COUNSEL ON THIS OUTSIDE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT OUTSIDE TOWN HAS OUTSIDE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THERE. THE [00:45:01] TOWN HAS OUTSIDE RETAINED COUNSEL FOR IT TOO. THEY SAID PRIOR DUE TO A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THE PRIOR TOWN ATTORNEY. THIS GOES BACK YEARS. YES. THE TOWN, THE TOWN OUTSIDE COUNCIL. HE'S OKAY. HE'S STILL ON RETAINER STILL LOOKING AT THIS. IT'S PAGE FIVE, SECTION 3.2. THAT'S, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. YEAH. ROAD'S ALWAYS COME LAST AND THEN THE MONEY'S GONE. ALRIGHT. IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER, IF THE MONEY'S EVEN THERE. UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ONE, TWO C HI, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. 2D, YOU'RE STILL UP MS. LAUREN, PUBLIC INPUT FOR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL BAR APPEAL. UM, SO EVERYBODY'S IN THE SUMMARY BUT WE'LL, WE'LL LET YOU TALK. SORRY. SO THE APPLICANT, CSU LLC, THEY'RE REQUESTING AN APPEAL TO A DENIED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DEMOLISH AND REMOVE A PORTION OF THE MURPHY THEATER BUILDING. THIS BUILDING IS AT 1 31 EAST MAIN STREET AND IT IS CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AND YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A STAFF REPORT, THE DEMOLITION REVIEW GUIDELINES, A LINK TO THAT MEETING AS WELL AS THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING. UM, AND A PRESERVATION REPORT FROM 1993, WHICH IS THE LAST TIME WE HAD THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN TOWN SURVEYED. UM, BUT THE ESTIMATED DATE OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THE INITIAL METHODIST CHURCH WAS 1879 AND LOOKS AS THOUGH THERE WERE TWO, POSSIBLY THREE TYPES OF MASON RECONSTRUCTION METHODS. AND THE UM, REAR ADDITION MAY BE A BRICK VENEER OVER CONCRETE BLOCK. UM, BUT IN 1908 TO 1909 THERE WERE ADDITIONAL THE CORE UNIT OF THE CHURCH AND THAT WAS, UM, WHEN THE CHURCH WAS CONVERTED INTO THE COMMERCIAL SPACE OFFERING STORE. SO THAT'S WHEN THAT FRONT PORTION, UH, WITH THE GAMBLE ROOFS WERE ADDED. UM, THAT FRONT MAIN STREET. AND THEN THERE WAS AN ADDITION TO THE UM, BACK, UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT IN 1920 IS WHEN THAT TERRACOTTA, UM, HOLLOW TILE PORTION WAS ADDED. AND THEN IN THE 1930, OR SORRY 1950S, THEN YOU HAVE THE BACK PORTION THAT IS CURRENTLY USED AS UM, APARTMENTS OR DWELLING UNITS WAS ADDED ON. SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOS, YOU SEE THE ORIGINAL OUTLINE OF THE, THE METHODIST CHURCH AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE OTHER ADDITIONS OVER TIME. STAFF WILL NOTE THAT THAT TERRACOTTA TILE WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS. THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DETERIORATION AND IF YOU WERE ABLE TO VIEW THE 93 SLIDE, UM, POWERPOINT THAT WE GAVE YOU, THERE ARE AERIAL PHOTOS SHOWING CRACKS IN THAT TERRACOTTA TILE UP WITH THE ROOF THAT ARE A COUPLE FEET IN LENGTH MM-HMM. . UM, BUT THIS SUBSTRATE WAS MEANT TO BE AN ACTUAL SUBSTRATE. IT WAS MEANT TO BE COVERED WITH SOME TYPE OF STUCCO OR SOME TYPE OF CLADDING AND IT WASN'T, UM, SO STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE DETERIORATION OF THAT BUILDING. AND I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THIS. ALRIGHT. I'M GONNA START ON THIS SIDE AND GO AROUND GENTLEMEN, MIX IT UP. I'M START WITH MR. SEAK, SO I'M GONNA GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO ASK ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK AND OF COURSE ALSO YOU CAN ALWAYS, UM, ASK LATER IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING, BUT THIS IS A GOOD TIME. SO MS. COUNCILMAN ? I THINK IT'S PRETTY WELL EXPLANATORY IN THE, IN THE REPORT, SO I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? NO. I MEAN I JUST SAW THIS GO FROM, I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE REQUESTS, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT THE PLAN WAS GONNA BE. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS, IS THIS SEEM TO BE THE, THE FINAL REQUEST THUS FAR OF THE APPLICANT? I MEAN YOU SEEM TO MM-HMM. NO, THIS IS JUST FOR THE DESTRUCTION. THIS IS FOR DESTRUCTION. ASK, THIS ISN'T FOR NEXT PHASE. IS THIS, IS THIS STILL GOING? IS THIS LEADING TO THE, TO, TO THE FINAL PLAN? I MEAN I KNOW IT'S GONE BACK AND FORTH QUITE A BIT. UM, THE APPLICANT, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT. WELL, LET, LET ME JUST LET HIS INTENTIONS ON. LET ME JUST ANSWER ONE THING THAT'S, UH, JUST WHAT WE ARE, WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE THIS EVENING IS THIS, UH, APP APPLICATION TO BE FOR THE DEMOLITION WENT TO THE BAR AND THE BAR DENIED UH, THE DEMOLITION. AND I BELIEVE THE REASONING WE HAVE IN OUR NOTES AND WE CAN ALWAYS ASK MS. LAP, UH, KAKI ABOUT THAT. UM, SO THIS, THE REASON WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT HERE TONIGHT IS BECAUSE THERE'S UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE AN APPEAL TO TOWN COUNCIL, WHICH IS THE ONLY OTHER APP, YOU KNOW, ONCE [00:50:01] THE BAR DENIED IT, UM, COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THAT DECISION BASICALLY. AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE CAN GATHER INFORMATION TONIGHT THAT THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 23RD AND THEN COUNSEL WOULD VOTE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED TO OVERTURN THE BARR DECISION OR TO, UM, CONFIRM THE BARR DECISION OR IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH, RIGHT. IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT WOULD HAPPEN. SO THEY WOULD VOTE ON THIS IN TWO WEEKS. SO JOSH WAS YOUR QUESTION I THINK IS YOUR QUESTION SAYING THAT IS IF, IF THERE THE BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE GONNA BE? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING? WELL, I MEAN, UH, YEAH, I MEAN I SEE WHERE, WHERE THE RENDITION WHERE THE ADDITION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR, BUT I JUST, I WAS JUST ASKING IN GENERAL TERMS. RIGHT. UM, CAUSE I KNOW WE SAW IT AS A PLANNING COMMISSION BRIEFLY FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THAT GOT PULLED AND IT SEEMED TO WENT, WENT, WENT TO THIS AND IT WENT TO THE BAR, THEN WENT TO THIS. SO IT'S, I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN THE WHOLE THING. SO I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I WAS JUST GOTCHA. MAKING SURE I HAD ALL THE STEPS IN ORDER. YEP. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. I KNOW LORI, I CALLED YOU WITH SOME OF MINE TODAY SO THEY'RE GONNA BE REDUNDANT FOR YOU. BUT I AM A MEMBER OF THE, FROM EARLY UNITED METHODIST CHURCH AND I, UH, AM THE FAMILY OF A LOCAL HISTORIAN WHO CONTRIBUTED MUCH OF THE WARREN HERITAGE SOCIETY'S ARCHIVES DOWN THERE. UM, SO SHE ACTUALLY WORKED OUT OF THERE AS AN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, UH, FOR THE WARREN SENTINEL BACK IN THE DAY. WE'RE BACK OPPOSED WARREN TIMES IS WHAT IT WENT ON TO BE. BUT SO LAUREN, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. FIRST, I GUESS THAT IT WAS SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, BY JOHN, THAT COUNSEL SHOULD ONLY SEE THIS AND VOTE ON THIS AS WHAT IT IS, WHICH IS FOR THE DEMOLITION MM-HMM. . AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT SOUNDS LOGICAL, IT'S NOT BECAUSE AFTER IT'S DEMOLISHED WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? AND I THINK THAT UNFORTUNATELY COUNCILS BEFORE ME HAVEN'T HAD THAT VISION FOR WHAT THEY WANT THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL TO BE AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NEXT. SO MY COMMENT ON THAT WOULD BE TO NOT JUST TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE DEMOLITION WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AND WE HEAR THIS, BUT WHAT COMES NEXT? UH, CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT. AND IT WAS MUCH TO JOSH'S POINT, LIKE IS THIS IT, IS THIS THE FINAL PLAN? BUT NO, WE'RE ONLY OVERHEARING THE APPEAL FOR THE DENIAL TO DEMOLISH IT. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE NEXT STEPS, WHICH THE RENDERINGS LOOK LIKE A VERY PRESTIGIOUS BUILDING AND NOT ONE THAT YOU WOULD FIND IN FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA. UM, IS IT A NICE BUILDING SHORE? UM, BUT SO WITH THAT, I ALSO HAD A QUESTION. I GUESS THERE'S A RUMOR THAT IF THIS IS DENIED BY COUNSEL, POTENTIALLY A YEAR FROM NOW, THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS REHEARD AND THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT BY. RIGHT. SO 1 75 93, SORRY, I DIDN'T TURN THE PAGE. HAVE IT UP TO MM-HMM. 1 75, UH, IN SECTION 93, UM, THIS IS THE BUILDING, DEMOLITION AND RELOCATION WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SECTION OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. THIS, THAT'S NOT IN OUR PACKET, RIGHT? NO. OKAY. UM, THAT BASICALLY STATES THAT AFTER A YEAR, UM, IF THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS IT ON THE MARKET AND THEY DO NOT RECEIVE APPLICATION, OR SORRY, AN OFFER TO PURCHASE IT, THAT, UM, SAYS THE OWNER OF A HISTORIC LANDMARK BUILDING OR STRUCTURE SHALL, AS A MATTER OF RIGHT. BE ENTITLED TO RAISE OR DEMOLISH SUCH BUILDING OR STRUCTURE PROVIDED THAT ONE HE HAS APPLIED TO COUNSEL FOR SUCH. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE YEAR, UM, TIMEFRAME. IT, IT LISTS OUT THE FOUR. SO, AND YOU SAID AN OFFER? YES. SO THE, THE APPLICANT COULD LIST IT FOR $1 BILLION, BUT IF SOMEBODY MAKES A $200,000 OFFER, IT'S NOT QUALIFIED TO DO WHAT THEY WANT BY. RIGHT. THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SLIDING SCALE IN THE ORDINANCE AS TO WHAT THE MINIMUM MINIMUM PRICE IS. SO 90 OR MORE IS, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS SAYS 12, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT MEANS 12 MONTHS. YES. PERIOD OF MONTHS. SO ANY, UM, LESS THAN 25,000 AND IT SAYS THREE MONTHS, 25,000 TO 39 99 IS FOUR MONTHS. UM, BUT ANYTHING OVER 90,000, WHICH IS WHAT I'M SURE THIS WOULD BE, WOULD BE 12 MONTHS OR MORE. LAUREN, DID YOU ALSO SAY THAT AFTER THAT YEAR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD MAKE A DECISION ON MOVING THE OWNER MOVING FORWARD? NO, WE COULDN'T [00:55:01] MAKE A DECISION. WE'D BE REMOVED FROM THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS AS THE WAY OUR CODE. YES. AS THE WAY OUR CODE IS RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WHAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO. 1 75 SECTION, WHICH IS AFTER STATE LAW, WHICH IS MODELED AFTER STATE LAW. UM, WE WOULD, WELL, MONTHS FROM NOW, WE WOULDN'T REALLY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE, UM, A, A GEORGE CRI SPEAK. RIGHT. IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE PROCEDURE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. MM-HMM. , IF THERE'S A DENIAL, THERE'S ANOTHER AVENUE, UH, ASIDE FROM POTENTIALLY APPEALING IT TO CIRCUIT COURT, THERE'S ANOTHER AVENUE AND THAT IS TO LET THE MARKET SPEAK MM-HMM. . AND UH, DEPENDING ON HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, UH, IF THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER MEETS THE CRITERIA SPELLED OUT, UH, THEN THERE'S A RIGHT TO DEMOLISH. I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AND, AND, AND, AND I, AND THERE'S AN EXAMPLE, UH, THE PROPERTY NEXT TO THE FORMER JACK EVANS CHEVROLET MM-HMM. THAT IF EVER, AND I DON'T RECALL THE DOCTOR'S NAME, BUT DR. GRUBBS. DR. LINWOOD GRUBBS. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S TO MY DAD'S NAME, DOCTOR. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I KNOW I DON'T AT ALL. THAT'S, THAT'S A SITUATION WHERE DEMOLITION WAS DENIED AND, AND FOLKS THAT JACK EVANS PUT IT ON THE MARKET AND THEY WENT A FULL YEAR AND THERE WAS NO INTEREST IN MO BUYING IT, MOVING IT WHAT, WHATEVER. AND SO, SO MY NEXT QUESTION, SO THEN THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DEMOLISH IT. OKAY. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR, IS THIS LIKE A GOOD FAITH? LIKE IF THIS IS LISTED FOR SALE BY OWNER, WHO'S TO KNOW IF THERE'S OFFERS THAT ARE REJECTED OR DENIED? I THINK IT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE. I THINK IT'S ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE, IN OUR ORDINANCE IT STATES THAT UM, IN ORDER TO DEMONSTRATE THE MARKING OF A BONAFIDE OR THE MAKING OF A BONAFIDE OFFER TO SELL, THE OWNER SHALL FILE A NOTICE WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. SO HE WOULD FILE THAT WITH OUR OFFICE. UM, AND WE WOULD KEEP THAT RECORD AND IT WOULD SAY SAYS IDENTIFYING THE PROPERTY AND STATING THE OFFERING PRICE AND THE NAME OF THE REAL ESTATE AGENT, IF ANY, UM, AND IT SAYS NO TIME PERIOD SET FORTH HEREIN SHALL BEGIN TO RUN UNTIL SAID NOTICE HAS BEEN FILED. UM, WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF THE RECEIPT, UH, COPIES OF THE NOTICE SHALL BE DELIVERED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO THE MEMBERS OF TOWN COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION TOWN MANAGER. SO THE MOMENT, UH, THE APPLICANT WERE TO PUT IT UP FOR SALE AND SEND IT TO OUR OFFICE, I WOULD THEN SEND IT TO COUNCIL PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE TOWN MANAGER'S OFFICE. JUST STUFF LIKE THAT'S NOT ADEQUATELY ADDRESSING MY CONCERN. I UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE IN IT IS, AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT'S STILL CONFUSED IF IT'S NOT FOR SALE BY AN AGENT, YOU KNOW, AN ALL THAT'S REJECTED OR DENI IS NEVER RATIFIED. IT'S NEVER LEGALLY BONDING CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT. SO HOW WOULD WE KNOW, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IN AN ACCUSATORY MANNER, IT'S NOTHING AGAINST THE PROPERTY OWNER, ET CETERA. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THIS IS ANOTHER REASON THAT I RAN FOR COUNCIL OVER A YEAR AGO. THERE'S SO MUCH BUREAUCRACY AND THERE ARE LIKE, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT KNEW THAT IF WE DENY THIS AGAIN IN A YEAR, YOU CAN BASICALLY DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT. SO LIKE, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE? SO LIKE WE HAVE ALL OF THESE STATE AND LOCAL CODES AND REGULATIONS THAT ESSENTIALLY MEAN NOTHING. UM, SORRY, I'M GONNA PUT IT IN IN POLITICALLY CORRECT. SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S NO GOOD FAITH OFFER MADE? WE DON'T, I MEAN WE WOULD JUST HAVE NOTICE THAT IT'S LISTED FOR SALE, BUT WE WOULDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE OFFERS MADE ON THAT BUILDING. UM, AND IT DOESN'T, I'M LOOKING HERE. YEAH, I DON'T, SORRY. HAVE ANY RESOURCES, MAYBE YOU CAN SEND THAT LANGUAGE OUT TO US TOO. AND THEN I WILL SEND THIS OUT. I'LL PROVIDE THIS TO, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS JUST PRESENTED WITH TODAY. I MEAN, I'M SURE ALL OF YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE REACHING OUT. I'VE HAD CALLS, EMAILS, TEXTS. YEP. I ACTUALLY WAS ALMOST LATE COMING INTO THE MEETING CUZ SOMEBODY GRABBED ME ON MAIN STREET TO TALK ABOUT IT. UM, SO I MEAN, THERE IS A LOT OF PUBLIC INTEREST IN WHAT HAPPENS NOW AND LATER WITH THIS PROPERTY AND WITH MAIN STREET. MM-HMM. AS A WHOLE. I MEAN, MAIN STREET IS THE HEART OF FRONT ROYAL, IN MY OPINION. UM, SO IT'S JUST THERE. WE, WE HAVE TO, THE DECISIONS WE MAKE TODAY WILL AFFECT EVERYTHING FOREVER AFTER. UM, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS DECISION WILL SET A PRECEDENCE OR YES. YOUR QUESTION THAT COMES FROM MAIN STREET OF ANY BUILDING OF A SIGNIFICANCE IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU'RE ALSO DEALING PROPERTY RIGHTS. CORRECT. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHY THE DATE HAS THE, AND I HAVE MENTIONED TOO THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T BEEN ON PLANNING COMMISSION. I SAID ON RECORD THAT A LOT OF OUR ORDINANCES, WHAT WE DO WITH LAND USE, I MEAN, SOME OF THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ARE, ARE WELL CAN TAKE OFF EVERYBODY, [01:00:01] YOU KNOW, SO, AND THERE'S SOME, SOME, SOME STUFF THAT YOU COULD DO THAT YOU WOULDN'T THINK YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO. AND SOME STUFF, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU WOULD THINK ABLE DO VICE VERSA. BUT IN A LOT OF CASES TOO, THERE ARE A LOT, THERE ARE ORDINANCES, UM, PARTICULARLY IN, IN THIS, IN THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT WHERE, UH, A LOT OF FOLKS CAN DO THINGS BY RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND WITHOUT HAVING TO GET SO MUCH PERMIT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND STILL MAKE AN IMPACTFUL, AND THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN. OH, I HAVE NO, EXACTLY. THERE'S A PARKING EXEMPTION. UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO BY, RIGHT. SO I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THERE'S CONCERN WITH THE, THE DETERIORATION OF THE TERRACOTTA. YEAH. UM, IS THERE ANY STRUCTURAL CONCERNS THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN FROM WATCHING THE MEETING AND HEARING WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT? IS THERE ANY STRUCTURAL CONCERNS WITH THE BUILDING AS IT STANDS? IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE SET OF PIC, THE FIRST PICTURE, WELL WAIT A SECOND, BUT I MEAN, FROM AN INSPECTION STANDPOINT. SO TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A, AN INSPECTION BY A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. NO. CORRECT. THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL WENT OUT THERE, BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, WENT OUT THERE AND DID AN INSPECTION. THEIR DEMOLITION REVIEW GUIDELINES DO NOT STATE THAT THERE SHALL BE AN INSPECTION. IT SAYS THAT THEY MAY, UM, HAVE, THEY MAY GO OUT AND DO AN INSPECTION THEMSELVES, THAT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER MAY, UM, CREATE A REPORT THAT WE CAN REQUEST, REQUEST A REPORT FROM THE LOCAL BUILDING OFFICIAL OR TESTIMONY OF AN EXPERT WITNESS. AND DID I UNDERSTAND CORRECT THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER DOES NOT WANT, OR IS NOT WILLING TO HAVE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT COMPLETED? I BELIEVE THEY STATED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT THEY NOT AT THE BAR MEETING THAT, AT THE BAR MEETING, UM, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THAT LENGTH. UM, THAT THOSE WERE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED. SO, CAN I GO AROUND? I WAS GONNA SAY I SORRY, NO BIT WHEN YOU ASKED. NO, NO, NO, NO. I WANTED TO DO I, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE SURE. I WANT EVERYBODY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS. UH, COUNCILMAN RAPORT, DO YOU WANNA GO NEXT OR MISS COUNCILMAN ROGERS? ROGERS? WELL, I'M, I'M, I, I'M JUST AMAZED THAT LANGUAGE LIKE THAT WE'VE GOT THE PRESS HERE RIGHT NOW. AND IF THIS COMMUNITY KNOWS THAT, THAT PROPERTY OWNER, THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S, YOU WERE STOPPED ON YOUR WAY IN HERE. I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS REGARDING DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE. RIGHT. THE BACK STRUCTURE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, ARE WE? IT'S JUST THE REAR PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE. NOT THE ORIGINAL METHODIST CHURCH. NOT THE PORTION FRONTING MAIN STREET. IT IS THE PORTION THAT IS CLAD AND THE TERRACOTTA TILE. I UNDERSTAND. AND THEN THE SO IRRELEVANT. RIGHT. HE WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY OVER AND ABOVE THE TOWN IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT GIVEN NO ENGINEERING WITH THE DEMOLITION THAT COULD POSSIBLY IMPACT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THE REMAINING STRUCTURE, I THINK WE'VE GOT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A COMMUNITY ISSUE HERE ONCE THIS, ONCE THIS GETS TO THE PRESS, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND, UH, AND THAT'S ALL I'VE GOTTA SAY. I'M, I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED THAT THERE'S NO STIPULATION IN THERE FOR CONTROL ON OUR, WELL, BEFORE ANY DEMOLITION HAPPENED. THERE WOULD BE OVERSIGHT, OVERVIEW. I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE IN A SAFE MANNER AND AN ENGINEER WOULD HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON, ON, ON THE METHOD. HE'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO JUST TAKE A WRECKING BALL AND THE METHOD OF DEMOLITION. BUT THERE'S NO SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE STRUCTURE LIKE WE'RE HAVING HERE TONIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S, AND I DIDN'T BRING IT UP OR SKIP TO, TO INFORM AND ENLIGHTEN THE PUBLIC THAT THEY CAN DO THIS. I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH, YOU FIND THAT, UM, AND IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE PUBLIC TO ME. SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING IT UP AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY CORRECT AND THAT I HAD READ AND HEARD ACCURATELY. CUZ IT IS A CONCERN OF MINE AS WELL. SO THAT ENGINEERING STUDY, AND I'VE TALKED TO A FEW ENGINEERS NOW MM-HMM. , THAT ENGINEERING STUDY WOULD LET US KNOW WHAT IMPACT THERE COULD BE ON EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT, THAT ARE TIED IN. NOW WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEY'RE TIED IN, NOR DO WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, UH, AS A RESULT OF PULLING THAT APART. SO THAT'S WHY THE ENGINEERING STUDY, I THINK IS SO SIGNIFICANT. UH, AND IF THERE IS A WAY WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD GET AWAY FROM THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE MAY HAVE SOME ISSUES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M CONCERNED. AND I, I THINK WE ALL ARE CONCERNED. THAT'S, I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN. BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, LAUREN, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE DEMOLITION PLAN. THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO IN AND A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE AT THAT POINT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHOW US HOW THEY'RE BRACING THE, THE, LIKE THE BRICK FACADE OF THE ORIGINAL. YEAH. [01:05:01] THERE'S NO, NO DEMOLITION FIRMS GONNA GO IN THERE AND JUST GO OFF A DRAWING AND SAY, OH YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL TEAR IT DOWN THIS WAY. THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GONNA DO THOROUGH INVESTIGATION TO MAKE SURE, AND THEY'RE KEEPING THE, THEY WOULD IN THEORY BE KEEPING THE SHELL. RIGHT? BECAUSE IF THEY KNOCK IT ALL THE WAY DOWN AND THEY REMOVE THE FOUNDATION, THEN THEY HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR CURRENT, UM, ORDINANCE. AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUILD BACK WHAT THEY HAVE. LIKE THEY COULDN'T BUILD A NEW STRUCTURE AND DO NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO ARE YOU SAYING WE SHOULDN'T BE CONCERNED? NO, I'M NOT SAYING DON'T BE CONCERNED. NO, NO. I JUST WANT, YEAH, I AGREE. IT'S A LEGIT CONCERN, BUT I DON'T, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEMOLITION ITSELF, NOT, WHICH IS ALL WE'RE VOTING ON. ALL WE'RE VOTING ON. EXACTLY. THAT'S ALL WE'RE VOTING ON. THE DEMOLITION, NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE A, NOT HOW IT'S FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. YEAH. NOT THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE DEMOED. SO THAT'LL BE TAKEN CARE OF BY ENGINEERS AND WHATNOT. WE'RE JUST, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE USE OR, OR THE DEMOLITION. THE DEMOLITION ITSELF, NOT THE YOU GUYS TO CREATE THE NEXT PORTION OF THE PLAN AND TO CREATE THIS CONCEPT PLAN. ESSENTIALLY THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE GONE, WHAT'S NOT. SO THIS IS A MULTI-STEP PROCESS. IT'S STEP ONE. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. MR. RAPPAPORT, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, CUZ EVERYBODY HAS HAD, I DIDN'T, I BELIEVE THAT THERE, THERE IS AN EXTENSION THAT, UH, GOES OVER THE TOP OF THE CHURCH PORTION OF IT THAT IS PART OF THIS DEMOLITION. AND I HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THAT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE CHURCH PORTION OF IT AND, AND WHICH IS YOU START YEAH. YOU START POUNDING THE CAN WEAKEN THE WALLS. UH, UH, THIS IS THE IMPORTANCE, UH, TO HAVING, UH, A PROFESSIONAL, UH, ENGINEERING TRUCTURE STRUCTURAL. YOU GO IN A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, GO IN AND, UH, ASSESS THE BUILDING. AND WHAT BAFFLES ME IS THE COST OF A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. SO APPROXIMATELY 500 TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO GO IN AND GIVE YOU AN ASSESSMENT. AND WHY, WHY ANYONE, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE ME, YOU KNOW, I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I'M INVESTING IN, IN, IN, UH, HISTORICAL STRUCTURE, UM, I WANT TO SAVE THAT, UH, I WOULD INVEST THAT MONEY. UH, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN. OKAY. ABOUT IT IS YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT, NOT JUST THE PART THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEMOLISHING, BUT HOW IT'S TIED INTO THE OTHER BUILDING AND WHETHER IT NOT IT WOULD IMPACT THAT I'M MAKING COLIN WAL WALTERS WATERS. YEP. COLIN WATERS, UH, HIS POSITION. UM, AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, MY STATEMENT THAT I HAVE. SO COLIN, WHO'S THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BAR, UM, I, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, I HAD TO BE THE VERIFI NEWS AND BRING ALL THOSE THINGS TO THE TABLE TONIGHT BECAUSE THAT'S THE POINT OF A WORK SESSION. AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL, ONLY ONE PERSON ON THIS COUNCIL HAS WORKED WITH ME BEFORE AND I'M, YOU KNOW, GONNA PUT IT ALL OUT THERE TONIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THE WORK SESSION'S FOR. IT'S THE NITTY GRITTY. I HAVE ALSO HEARD TONIGHT RUMOR THAT IT'S GONNA BE ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE NOT HEARING TONIGHT, SO WE SHOULDN'T BE FOCUSED ON, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, A VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT LATER DOWN THE ROAD. SO, JUST TO LIKE ECHO COLIN, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEND 10 MILLION TO 30 MILLION ON THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S A COUPLE THOUSAND FOR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT? I GET THAT IT'S FRUSTRATING TO SPEND MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO THE PROJECT AND NOT KNOW, BUT IT'S THE PRICE OF DOING BUSINESS. SO WHAT, UM, WHAT IN THE MINUTES, I I THE MINUTES THAT WERE SHARED WITH US, AND, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THESE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED YET, RIGHT? NO, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T MET AGAIN. NO, WE'RE THEY'RE MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT. OKAY. SO, SO ONE OF THE, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS AND THE MINUTES SAID THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT MENTIONED THAT HE WOULD NOT SPEND THE MONEY TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING IF SOMETHING WASN'T DETERMINED ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. SO WE'RE, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA COME BEFORE COUNCIL ON JANUARY 23RD FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE ACTION ON IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO OVERTURN THE BARR'S DECISION AND ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OR TO, UM, SUPPORT THE BARR'S DECISION. BUT THIS PARTICULAR STATEMENT, AND I, I DID, I I DID WATCH IT. SO I'M, I'VE, UM, IS IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT, THEY'RE NOT SAYING THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY GONNA DEMOLISH IT IF THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN MOVING FORWARD. SO IT, IT IS REALLY, IT. SOMETIMES I ALMOST FEEL LIKE THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IS PUTTING THE CARD BEFORE THE HORSE. THAT'S MY IDIOM FOR, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU [01:10:01] KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, WE'RE LIKE TALKING ABOUT DEMOLISHING SOMETHING, BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GONNA COME AFTER IT. AND I KNOW OUR ISSUE, COUNSEL'S ISSUE IS THEY'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THE DEMOLISHING. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE EVEN FROM THAT STATEMENT, THAT EVEN THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT READY TO, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GONNA SPEND THE MONEY TO, TO DEMOLISH IT IF THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. WELL, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THAT WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE, UM, ATTORNEY THAT WE WERE CONSULTING WITH ON THIS PROJECT STATING, UM, THAT THE CONVERSION WOULD BE, UH, IT WOULD BE A BY RIGHT CONVERSION TO A GREATER NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS. THAT WAS THE APPLICATION THAT WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE THAT WAS PULLED, THEN IT CAME TO THE BAR FOR DEMOLITION MM-HMM. . UM, THE OTHER HAND OF THIS IS THAT IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO DO NOTHING, STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. YOU'VE GOT TERRACOTTA TILES THAT ARE DISINTEGRATING THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, 40 FEET UP IN THE AIR AND THEY COULD START FALLING INTO AN ALLEY THAT PEOPLE USE. YEAH. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE ARE EN ENFORCING AND GETTING OFF THE GROUND OF PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. WOOHOO. FIVE YEARS LATER. UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE IF YOU CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THE AFTERNOON THAT'S DROPPING BRICKS BESIDE BJ'S OFFICE WINDOW EVERY SINGLE DAY, THAT YOU CAN DO SOMETHING WITH ANYTHING. BUT ALSO I HAD TWO QUESTIONS. ISN'T THAT THE TALLEST BUILDING ON MAIN STREET? UH, THE EMERGENCY, THE TALLEST, IT'S THE TALLEST BUILDING IN TOWN, ACTUALLY. I BELIEVE THAT, THAT PORTION, YEAH. AND SO DID YOU MENTION THAT IT WOULD BE TALLER THAN THAT? BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WOULD STAY THE SAME HEIGHT? NO, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ALLOWS THEM TO ONLY GO UP TO 60 FEET. THEY ACTUALLY, WHICH IS THAT 60 NOW? I THOUGHT IT WAS 64 RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT'S HIGHER. I THINK IT'S UP INTO THE 70, UH, FOOT RANGE IF I'M REMEMBERING THE SURVEY PROPERLY. UM, SO THEY, IT WOULD COME DOWN, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE WHAT, SIX LEVELS THERE? YEAH. UM, I THEN WHEN THE ACCIDENT STUFF STARTED OVER HERE, COUNSEL ENDED UP SUING THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS BECAUSE WE GAVE A VARIANCE OR GAVE A SPECIAL USE FOR THE LITTLE CUBICLE UP ON TOP OF THE BUILDING FOR AN ELEVATOR'S RAMP. AND THEY SAID IT WAS TOO HIGH FOR MAIN STREET, BUT THIS WOULD, IT, IT'S CAPPED THAT IT WOULD BE LOWER THAN IT IS NOW. I THINK I'M FINISHED. JUST, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS TOPIC, WHETHER IT'S FOR LAUREN OR JUST WANNA SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I FEEL LIKE WE PROBABLY GOT MORE INFORMATION. ONE, ONE MORE POINT TO AMBER, WHAT YOU JUST MADE ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT YOUR POINT THAT YOU MEAN ABOUT THE FOLLOWING. KEOTA, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING BETTER WITH OUR BLIGHTED BUILDING ORDINANCE AS WELL, SO I'LL THROW THAT OUT THERE SO THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T JUST NOT GET YOUR WAY WITH BAR, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS OWNER IS, BUT YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT AND THEN JUST LET YOUR BUILDING FALL APART. LIKE THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNCIL'S AFTER RIGHT? NOW I'M SURE NOBODY'S PLANNING TO DO THAT, BUT I HAVE MR. UR. YEAH. THE, THE FACT IS, IS THE BUILDING HAS A BEEN MAINTAINED OF AN APPLICANT ADMITS THAT HASN'T DONE ANY MAINTENANCE TO THE BUILDING. UM, I BELIEVE IN, UH, READING THROUGH THE, THE NOTES, THE MINUTES THAT WE HERE. YEAH. YES. UM, BUT, UH, TERRACOTTA TRADITIONALLY IS A VERY STRONG, VERY STRONG, UH, UH, MATERIAL. AND, UH, IN FACT IT'S IN VOGUE TODAY. MM. A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IS USING TERRACOTTA MM-HMM. . SO, UM, IT'S NOT MADE TO BE OUT IN THE WEATHER. THE WEATHER. WELL, NO, THAT THEY, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY PUT SEAL IT SOME SORT OF CEILING. YEAH. OVER TOP OF IT. OVER TOP OF IT. RIGHT. SO A QUESTION BEGS, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT AN, A CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, WHATNOT, BEING ABLE TO ASSESS IT ALL COMES DOWN. DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO INVEST IN THE PROPERTY? SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION. OKAY. WELL, UM, THIS NORMALLY WE WOULD SAY, UH, THIS IS GONNA GO, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANNA MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING, UH, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING? BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S, IT'S A DONE DEAL. WE, WE, THAT IS THE NEXT STEP. SO TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS TOPIC. UM, AND THEN, UH, AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, [01:15:01] UH, COUNSEL WILL TAKE ACTION ON THIS. SO NOT, I, I SUSPECT THAT, UM, I SUSPECT MANY OF YOU HAVE EXPRESSED THAT PEOPLE HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU AND MYSELF AS WELL, UH, THAT THEY'LL PROBABLY COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE FOR MS. KAKI OR GEORGE OR ANYONE ELSE TO FIND OUT BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY 23RD? YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE WEEKS. IS THERE OTHER INFORMATION YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO ASK SO THAT, UM, WHEN WE GET TO MONDAY THE 23RD, THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION? I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE A WEALTH OF INFORMATION ALREADY. YOU ALL HAVE ASKED A TON OF QUESTIONS, BUT I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS TONIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY, UH, INVITED OTHER QUESTIONS. SO IS THERE ANYTHING YOU ALL WANT THEM TO FIND OUT? I I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HIS, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S VISION IS. WE CAN'T TELL THEM HIS VISION, BUT WE CAN'T, SURE. THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE FOR US. WE'RE JUST, THIS IS ALL WE'RE DOING IS HEARING AN APPEAL. WE CAN'T ASK HIM. HE'S GONNA DO, I UNDERSTAND IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF IT'S DEMOLISHED, WE CAN'T WEIGH IN TO WHAT, WHAT HE'S GONNA DO WITH IT AFTER IT'S DEMOLISHED. WE CAN'T, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A VISION AS COUNCIL. THE, I MEAN, THE, THE ONLY THING THAT I SEE IS THIS PICTORIAL MM-HMM. OF SOME KIND OF RENDITION MM-HMM. OF WHAT IT MIGHT BE. AND I, WHAT, WHAT IT COULD BE. MM-HMM. , BUT A AGAIN, UH, RIGHT. I'M JUST AS A REASONABLE PERSON THAT, THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S LEGITIMATE. IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN. WHEN LERON PARKWAY, FOR EXAMPLE, SINCE REASON LOSS OF EXAMPLES TONIGHT WAS BUILT, WE KNEW THAT THE HOSPITAL WAS GONNA GO THERE. WE KNEW THAT A SCHOOL WAS GONNA GO THERE, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WAS GONNA GO THERE. WE KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE ZONED FOR MIXED USE, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. BUT TO TAKE ACTION WITHOUT A VISION IS HOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. IT'S HOW THESE BUILDINGS ARE FALLING APART AND DETERIORATING RIGHT IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT ON TOP OF US. SO, I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA SAY IT LIKE THIS, BUT IT WOULD BE IGNORANT OF ME AND MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO NOT CONSIDER WHAT THE NEXT ACTIONS AFTER DEMOLITION WOULD BE, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON HERE TONIGHT. I'D AGREE. OH, I, AND LAST COMMENT, AND WE GOTTA MOVE ON, OR WE WILL NOT GET THROUGH ALL THE REST OF IT. BUT I WILL SAY THAT THAT, UH, THOUGHT THAT YOU JUST SHARED WAS TRULY CONSISTENT AT THE BAR MEETINGS, PUBLIC COMMENTS. WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT WAS WHAT YOU SAID WAS PROBABLY WHAT IT SEEMED LIKE THOSE THAT SHARED CONCERNS WERE, UM, THEIR GREATEST CONCERN WAS WHAT NEXT AFTER THE, THEN WHAT, WHAT IF WE DO THIS? THEN WHAT? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO. THEY DID. THEY WANTED, UH, THEY WANTED, THEY WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THIS HAPPENED. BUT AS MR. SEAK POINTED OUT, AND SO AS MS. KAKI, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEFORE US ON WHAT'S BEFORE YOU ALL ON JANUARY 23RD IS JUST THE, WHETHER OR NOT COUNSEL, UH, DISAGREES WITH THE BARR'S DECISION OR NOT OVERTURNS THE BARR'S DECISION. SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU WILL BE, UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU WILL BE TAKING ACTION ON. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO LAUREN OR GEORGE OR ANYONE ELSE BETWEEN NOW AND THE 23RD IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT, ALL RIGHT. TWO E, IT'S A CRAZY THING. WE'VE STILL ON TWO, SORRY, I, SO TWO, GIVE THE NEW PERSON . GIVE LAUREN A BREAK. YEAH, LAUREN, YOU GET TO SIT DOWN. LAUREN, YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY BE FREE. SO TWO E IS THE PUBLIC INFO FOR, FOR THE VACATION OF A PORTION OF A PUBLIC ALLEYWAY LOCATED ADJACENT TO 1202 VIRGINIA AVENUE AND ONE 11 AND ONE 17 WEST 12TH STREET WITH THE INTENT TO PURCHASE. UM, ALRIGHT, MR. WALT? YEAH, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, COUNSEL IS REQUESTED TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, TO THE VIRGINIA CODE 15 DASH 2 0 6, PERTAINING TO THE APPLICATION FROM MR. AND MRS. WILLIAM HOLLOWAY AND MR. AND MRS. WADE HOLLOWAY REQUESTING THE TOWN TO VACATE A PORTION OF PUBLIC ALLIE LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE, I'M, I'M EXACTLY REPEATING WHAT THE MAYOR SAID HERE, 1202 VIRGINIA AVENUE, ONE 11 AND ONE 17 12TH STREET. UM, WANTED TO, UH, TAKE A STEP BACK BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS APPLICATION ON TWO E AND KIND OF BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS THE UPDATE COUNCIL ON REVISIONS OF THE POLICY FOR VACATION AND PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD MOMENT TO KIND OF STEP BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROCESS, OR THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS AS WELL. [01:20:03] UM, FIRST THING, UM, UH, COUNSEL IN OCTOBER, 2022, UH, UPDATED THE VACATION OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY POLICY. AND ACCORDING TO THAT, IN OCTOBER 22, YOU GAVE COUNSEL GAVE THE TOWN MANAGER PERMISSION TO MAKE ANY REVISIONS ADMINISTRATIVELY. AND SO, UH, WHAT'S I, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS REALLY NOT A CHANGE IN STATE LAW AS MUCH AS ME WANTING A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION ON THE FLOW OF HOW A VACATION OF ALLEY WILL WILL HAPPEN AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BOARD. SO BASICALLY WHAT I DID WAS, IS TRY TO, AND I WORKED WITH GEORGE SONNET TO TRY TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR ON THE PROCESS. THE STATE LAW HASN'T CHANGED. SO, UH, WE ARE STILL GONNA HAVE THE PLANNING ZONING RECEIVE AN APPLICATION, UH, FOR THE VACATION OF THE ALLEY AT THAT TIME. UH, PLANNING ZONING WILL DO THE RESEARCH TO FIND OUT HOW WE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, GEORGE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROCESSES IF THE PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED THROUGH A SUBDIVISION PLAT OR IF ACTUALLY ACQUIRED THROUGH ACQUISITION, JUST SEPARATE PROPERTY ACQUISITION. AND SO PLANNING ZONING NEEDS TO DO THAT RESEARCH BECAUSE IF IT IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS VACATED BY A SUBDIVISION PLOT, THERE'S REALLY NO DOLLARS ASSIGNED TO THAT VALUE. IT GOES THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS TO A WORK SESSION AND PUBLIC HEARING. BUT IF, IF THE COUNCIL ELECTS TO DO THAT VACATION, IT IS EQUALLY DIVIDED AMONG ALL THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS. AND THIS IS BY SUBDIVISION PLAT. UM, SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET OFF ON THE RIGHT FOOT ON THAT, AND THAT PROCESS WILL TAKE UP TO 30 DAYS. DURING THAT SAME PROCESS, WE WILL SEND THAT APPLICATION TWO TOWN, TWO TOWN STAFF TO EVALUATE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO UTILITIES IN THAT, UH, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, OR IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS ABOUT VACATING THEM RIGHT AWAY. SO THE IDEA IS THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN WITHIN 30 DAYS, AND THEN IT WOULD COME TO A WORK SESSION FOR AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION AND ACTUALLY HAVE COUNSEL APPROVE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. DURING THAT SAME TIME WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE WILL NOTIFY ALL THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS OF THIS REQUEST FOR VACATION VALLEY. UH, AND THEN WE ALLOW THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS ONCE THEY GET NOTIFIED 30 DAYS TO NOTIFY US OF ANY CONCERN OR ISSUES WITH THE VACATION OF THAT ALLEY. UH, AND THEN THAT WOULD GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TOWN COUNCIL. SO FIRST WE WOULD COME TO YOU WITH THE WORK SESSION, AND AT THAT POINT YOU WOULD HAVE PLANNING ZONINGS RESEARCH ON HOW WE ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY, AS WELL AS ANY STAFF COMMENTS TO PROCEED FURTHER WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING. WHEN WE COME TO THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WE ARE BASICALLY AT TONIGHT WITH THE WORK SESSION, WHEN YOU COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU WOULD HAVE ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT ALSO GIVEN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS OR REALLY ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO TAKE THE MIC TO EXPRESS THEIR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF THAT VACATION OF THE ALLEY. FOR MY UNDERSTANDING COUNSEL, AT THAT TIME IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WILL BE JANUARY 23RD, YOU'LL HAVE THREE OPTIONS. EITHER DENY THE APPLICATION, POSTPONE THE ACTION, AND APPOINT WHAT WE CALL A VIEWING COMMITTEE, WHICH IS THREE INDEPENDENT PEOPLE THAT WOULD LOOK AT THIS APPLICATION FOR VACATION OF ALLEY AND GIVE YOU THEIR UNBIASED OPINION IF YOU SHOULD PROCEED. OR YOU CAN PURSUE THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH BASICALLY THEN MOVES INTO THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN COUNSEL WOULD NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH A PRICE. DID I MISSPEAK MR. SON? THAT'S A GOOD OVERVIEW. WOO. MY BIGGEST THING BEFORE TALKING ABOUT THE HOLLOWAY, UH, VACATION IS TO REMEMBER, AND I WANTED TO GET THIS OUT TO, TO THE CITIZENS, THAT IT IS AT LEAST A 90 DAY PROCESS TO GO THROUGH THIS. SO I JUST WANNA SET THOSE EXPECTATIONS THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, THAT THERE'S A PROCESS OF RESEARCH STAFF COMMENTS AND NOTIFYING THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS. SO NOW WITH THAT, I WILL NOW TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC APPLICATION. UH, CAN I ASK ABOUT THE VIEWING COMMITTEE? MM-HMM. , WHEN YOU SAY A THREE PERSON, DID YOU SAY I WAS WHO? WHO MAKES, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHO WOULD MAKE UP THAT THREE PERSON VIEWING COMMITTEE? WHEN YOU SAY THREE PEOPLE, IS IT TOWN STAFF? IS IT TOWN CITIZENS? IS IT, NO, I'M GOING BACK ON THREE YEARS AGO. BUT WE HAD RETIRED TOWN EMPLOYEES OR CITIZENS OR CITIZENS THAT ARE KIND OF ON OUR LIST THAT ARE, THAT'S KIND OF THEIR FORTE. AND SO WE WOULD PAY THEM $50 TO COME UP [01:25:01] AS A GROUP AND EVALUATING AND GIVE THEIR NON-BIASED OPINION ON ANY CONCERNS OR IF, OR ANY OF THAT. AND THIS HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST, IN MY PREVIOUS TENURE. OKAY. OKAY. SO, UM, TO GO SPECIFICALLY, UH, WE DID RECEIVE THIS APPLICATION ON SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2022, UH, BY MR. AND MRS. WILLIAM HOLLOWAY. AND IT'S ACTUALLY MR. AND MRS. WADE HOLLOWAY. UH, THE ADDRESS IS ONE 17 WEST 12TH STREET. UH, AND THEIR REASON, UH, BASICALLY IS TO VACATE FOR PURCHASE. UH, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THIS IS A QUICK SNAPSHOT. NOW, ALL THIS INFORMATION, UH, THE PICTURES OF THE, THE LOTS ARE IN YOUR PACKET, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, UH, VIRGINIA AVENUE IS RIGHT THERE. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT 12TH STREET HERE, AND YOU'VE GOT 13TH STREET HERE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE THIS HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THOSE PROPERTY LINE IS THE VACATION VALLEY. AND SO REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ONLY REALLY ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER IS THE CHURCH. OKAY. UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS ONLY ABOUT HALF OF THE ALLEYWAY. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IS ONLY ABOUT HALF THE ALLEYWAY. SO THAT WOULD ISOLATE THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT ALLEYWAY. KIND OF BE YOU POINT TO THE CHURCH AGAIN, SAYS THE CHURCH. THAT'S THE CHURCH. THAT'S THE CHURCH. THEY, I THINK THEY'VE GOT LIKE FIVE LOTS. AND, AND WHEN I ADVANCE IT HERE, IT'S ACTUALLY SIX LOTS. IT'S BY ANOTHER LOT THERE. RIGHT. BUT IT'S, AND SO WHAT'S BOXED IN AROUND THE RED OR THE TWO OR THOSE ARE THE APPLICANTS, RIGHT? THOSE ARE THE APPLICANTS, YES. OKAY. AND SO, WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THIS TO GO THROUGH, UH, COMMENTS FROM STAFF AS WELL AS IT, WE HAVE ALREADY, WE KIND OF GOT AHEAD OF OURSELVES HERE. AND WE DID SEND REGISTER, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE REGISTERED LIST, BUT WE DID NOTIFY ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS MM-HMM. . AND WE HAVE RECEIVED, JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW, WE DID RECEIVE NUMEROUS LETTERS FROM THE CHURCH OF BRETHREN OPPOSING, UH, THE VACATION OF THE ALLEY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. UH, YOU CAN READ THEIR COMMENTS IN THERE, BUT NUMEROUS RESPONSES TO THEM. AND ALSO NOT, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE IT WASN'T JUST MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH OF THE BRETHREN. I BLEW, WASN'T THERE ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER ON FURTHER DOWN THE ALLEY? NOT, THERE WAS SOME GENTLEMAN THAT WE GOT, I GOT SOMETHING FROM THAT TALKED ABOUT PELLET STUFF. YES. TWO OF, YES. EXCUSE ME. TWO OF THEM DOWN THE ALLEY. YES. YES. YEAH, I, I JUST WAS SAYING THAT, SO IT WASN'T JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL RIGHT. WE, THAT WAS CLEAR THAT IT WASN'T JUST, UH, THE THOSE, UM, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FROM THE PICTURE IS IT'S DOESN'T, IT'S NOT REALLY THEIR PROPERTY. IT'S NOT A DIRECT IMPACT, BUT THEIR CONCERN IS, IS THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE ALLEY IF THAT'S VACATED. OKAY. SORRY. UM, STAFF REPORTS, ENERGY SERVICES HAD NO CONCERN. PUBLIC WORKS ACCEPT NO CONCERN. PLANNING ZONING SET A CONCERN DUE TO THE ALLEY FOR PROVIDING INSTALLATION OF FUTURE UTILITIES. I, MYSELF, I HAVE NO CONCERNS, UH, FOR, TO MOVE IT FORWARD. SO THAT IS WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AS A WORK SESSION. WE'RE JUST KIND OF GONNA DO AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING THIS FORWARD, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 23RD, UH, FOR THE SIMPLE FACT TO TRY TO KIND OF STATE TO THAT 90 DAY PROCESS. WE ARE A LITTLE BEHIND. UH, I WILL TAKE THAT, UH, RESPONSIBILITY. I DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT THIS UNTIL, UH, DAY ONE, MAYBE DAY TWO. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR WORK SESSION WAS COUNSELED, UH, THE ONE, ONLY ONE WE HAD SCHEDULED IN DECEMBER. UH, AND THAT'S WHY I KIND OF SOMEHOW GOT PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT THE DECEMBER MEETING BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE THE WORK SESSION. SO EVERYTHING WAS KEYED UP, UP. UH, BUT STILL AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE, WE MAY BE A FEW DAYS OVER THE 90 DAY PROCESS, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE EXPEDITING IT AS FAST AS WE CAN. AND SO YOU REALLY, NEXT STEP, AND WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS JUST TO, TO, TO BRING, GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION IN A PUBLIC HEARING. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE TIME? YEP. WE ONLY HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? THERE WOULDN'T BE A SECOND, SECOND PUBLIC HEARING UNLESS WE TOOK ONE OF THE OTHER ACTIONS IN, IF I MAY. YEAH. UNLESS COUNSEL ELECTS TO PURSUE SALE. SO THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS TO VACATE A PUBLIC'S RIGHT, RIGHT. IN. OKAY. IN THE PROPERTY. I WAS JUST SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. ABOUT, THE FIRST PART IS POLICE, RIGHT. OF INGRE AND S YES. THE FIRST PART IS JUST BASICALLY US SAYING WE ARE, WE ARE GONNA SELL THE TOWN, THE TOWN CITIZEN'S PROPERTY. WELL, ACTUALLY, OR THAT'S PART, THAT'S THE SECOND PART. THAT'S THE OTHER TWO. YEAH. FIRST PART IS TO VACATE VA THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST. [01:30:01] AND INGRESS. AND EGRESS. OKAY. AND PART TWO IS THE, AND THEN IF COUNSEL CHOOSES COUNSEL CONDITION THE VACATION ON THIS ULTIMATE SALE OF IT. AND THAT'S PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER TWO. OKAY. SO YEAH, I, I GUESS MY, MY THOUGHT WAS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IT IS A TWO PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU DID I DECIDE TO PROCEED WITH THE VACATION? YES. BUT ON JANUARY 23RD, COUNSEL WILL TAKE ACTION ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO VACATE THE PROPERTY OR TO DENY IT, OR TO POSTPONE IT AND APPOINT THIS VIEWING COMMITTEE TO REVIEW IT. RIGHT. AND, AND, AND MY OPINION, THE VIEWING COMMITTEE IS JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME UNBIASED OPINION ON THE VACATION OF THE ALLEY. AND WOULD THAT VIEWING COMMITTEE ALSO BE PRIVY TO ALL THE CONCERNS SHARED BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS? THEY WOULD, THEY, THEY WOULD BASICALLY SEE ANY, WELL, THAT'S A, THAT'S ALL PART OF THE AGENDA. SO IT WOULD BE, IT'S IN THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S IN THE PUBLIC NOW. SO EVERY, EVERY, THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE JUST AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE WOULD, WE GET EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL SEE HERE. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO I'M JUST, MR. ROGERS, I'M GONNA JUMP TO YOU FIRST HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AT THIS TIME? NO, NO. THANK YOU. MR. RAPPAPORT. I FIND IT INTERESTING BY THE PICTORIAL, SO THAT, UH, THAT, UH, IT'S LIKE A FAIRWAY DOWN THE ALLEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GRASS. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S, UH, KEPT CLEAR, BUT FURTHER DOWN IT WAS ALLOWED TO GROW UP, UH, AT LEAST A PORTION OF IT. AND IT EXTENDS TO ANOTHER, WHAT APPEARS TO BE ANOTHER ALLEY, UM, THAT RUNS BETWEEN RIGHT BETWEEN 12 AND 13TH ACROSS THE STREET. YEAH. IS THERE ANY REASON WHY THE, WHY THE TOWN, UH, DOESN'T SEE THAT AS A, AS A, UH, RESPONSIBILITY? WELL, YEAH. RESPONSIBILITY IN TERMS OF GAINING ACCESS TO THE REAR OF HIS PROPERTIES FOR ANY REASON. UM, YOU KNOW, UM, WE TRY TO LOOK AT IT AND THAT'S WHY WE GIVE IT TO ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS, PUBLIC WORKS, ENERGY SERVICES, BEFORE THEY GET THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON EMERGENCY ACCESS, UTILITY ACCESS. UM, SO WE DO SOLICIT THAT. THE ONE THING WE DON'T DO IS WE DON'T SOLICIT BUYER AND RESCUED. UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, WHEN, WHEN IT COMES TO YOU IN A WORK SESSION, I WOULD HOPE THAT IF WE FELT THAT THAT WAS A NECESSARY ACCESS FOR FIRE AND RESCUE, THAT WE WOULD BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION DURING THIS EVALUATION. I DON'T THINK FIRETRUCK FIT UP AT ALLEY, THE WAY IT'S CURVED THERE. YEAH. WHO'S CURRENTLY BEEN MAINTAINING THAT MOWING IT? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UM, I, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IF YOU ALL PERSON YOU TALK TO, WHAT'S, WHAT'D YOU SAY? I'M SORRY. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHO YOU TALK TO. I THINK THE, I THINK THE LANDOWNERS ADJOINING THE LANDOWNERS ARE TAKING CARE OF THAT SOMEBODY'S TAKING CARE OF IT CUZ IT'S WELL MAINTAINED. YEAH. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF, IF, IF IT'S THE APPLICANT THAT'S DOING IT OR, OR I BET IT'S THE CHURCH, CHURCH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER HONESTLY. BUT IT IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF. WELL, I SUSPECT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT FROM THE CHURCH, UH, WAS THAT THEY USED IT FOR THE TWO AND FOUR YEAR OLDS EASTER EGG HUNT. WELL, AND SO I WAS A COUPLE PICTURES. I'M THINKING LIKE YOU, SOMEBODY'S MOWING IT OR ELSE THEY'RE NOT HIDING EGGS IN THERE, SO. YEAH. YEAH. I HAVE A FEELING IT MIGHT BE THE CHURCH THAT TAKE PLACE, BUT I CARE THAT OKAY. GO MS. MORRIS, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS TOPIC? THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. OKAY. MR. RAIN? YEAH. MY QUESTION IS, SHOULD THIS SALE TAKE PLACE? I MEAN, IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT, UH, UM, LIKE DRAINAGE ISSUES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS ALREADY, OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEING MAINTAINED, BUT SHOULD THERE BE ANYTHING DONE, YOU KNOW, ANY CHANGES MADE TO, TO THE PARTICULAR LOCK? CAUSE IT WILL AFFECT DRAINAGE JUST FROM WHAT I CAN SEE IS ONE PICTURE RIGHT HERE MM-HMM. THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE HOLE OUT, OR AT LEAST SOMETHING DONE RIGHT HERE IS GONNA AFFECT, IT LOOKS LIKE A BIT OF A SWELL RIGHT HERE FOR ME. YEP. AND WHEN I DROVE PAST IT, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A BIT OF A SWELL. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW IT IS WHEN IT COMES, WHEN IT COMES TO RAINING THROUGH THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, RAIN'S WEATHER AND EROSION'S GONNA HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT. I'M JUST BRINGING THIS OUT SO THAT, AND I MAY HAVE TO LEAN ON PLANNING, LEARNING, BUT MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT IF THEY, IF THE VACATION IN THE ALLEY WENT AND WENT FORWARD AND THE APPLICANT PURCHASED THE LAND, IF THEY WERE TO BUILD A STRUCTURE ON THERE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS, WHICH I'D HOPE WOULD ADDRESS THAT, THAT ISSUE, UH, BUT RIGHT NOW IT, IT'S JUST REALLY [01:35:01] AN ALIGNMENT OF PROPERTY ALLIANCE, I MEAN MM-HMM. . I DID LIE. I LIED. YOU LIED. GO AHEAD. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS THE ONLY VACATION. OH, SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE MY STAND UP. NO, YOU, THIS IS THE ONLY VACATION THAT, UM, WAS KNOWN IN THE TOWN THAT HAS BEEN, I GUESS, DISPUTED. WE'RE AT A, AT ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER. THAT'S NOT TRUE. NO. I, I HAVE WORKED, THAT'S THE PLANNING AND ZONING HAD VACATION THAT, THAT DID NOT GO CONTESTED. WHERE THE CONTESTED, I HAD MINE IN THE BACK OF MY HOUSE. YEAH. OH, OKAY. SORRY. WELL, WHEN WE FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS MONTHS AGO, BEFORE MOST OF THESE GUYS WERE HERE, WE WERE TOLD THAT IT'S TYPICALLY NOBODY CAN TEST. SO, BUT IT COULD BE THAT, THAT THE STAFF THAT YOU WERE TALKING TO AT THE TIME WAS NOT HERE WHEN OTHERS HAVE BEEN. YEAH, I KNOW. WE, I KNOW SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THERE WAS, UH, THE ALLEY BEHIND WHAT'S NOW PERFORMANCE SPORT AND SPINE MM-HMM. . RIGHT. THAT ALLEY. UM, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THE, UM, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THAT, AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE'S THOUGHT WAS THAT ANYTHING THAT IF IT'S TOWN PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD YOU GET RID OF TOWN PROPERTY THAT CAN, I MEAN, THOSE WERE THE TYPES OF THINGS WE HEARD THEN, BUT, BUT YEAH. YEAH. THE, WE DID THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THE PROCESS IN MY LAST TERM, AND I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE, I MIGHT HAVE MANAGED FOUR VACATIONS. WOW. AND SO THEY WERE HANDLED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. AND SO THAT'S WHY I GOT ENGAGED WITH GEORGE ON THIS WHOLE THING BECAUSE I HAD THE OLD KIND OF THOUGHT PROCESS AND I'M TRYING TO MESH WITH THE NEW PROCESSES. SO I KIND OF WANTED TO KIND OF TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO KIND OF GET IT OUT THERE THAT THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH AND THE TIMEFRAME AND THE TIME THING IS ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO REALLY DOUBLE DOWN ON BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE TIME TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE. YEAH. AND WE DON'T WANT TO RUSH THROUGH. PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT US TO EITHER. MR. SEAK, WOULD YOU, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST WANNA MAKE A STATEMENT. I THINK PROBABLY THE ALLEY I KNOW WHERE I LIVE, THERE'S A TOWN AT TURNER LANE GOES IN BEHIND ALL OUR PROPERTIES AND WE ALL MAINTAIN THE ALLEY OURSELVES. WE HAVE FOR, I'VE BEEN UP FOR 20 SOME YEARS. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. GOOD POINT. THAT'S WHAT I DO ALSO. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S COMMON. I WAS JUST WONDERING, I'VE BEEN TOLD, AGAIN, I'VE HAD A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH AND OUTPUT FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM. WE'VE BEEN HEARING IT SINCE SEPTEMBER. THOSE OF US WHO WERE ON COUNCIL AND I'VE BEEN BEING REACHED OUT TO LIKE, OH, I'VE BROKE MY BACK TO DO THIS. WE DID THAT. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF STAFF KNEW WHO WAS TRULY DOING THAT. BUT NONETHELESS, AND MR. SEAK, IT'S INTERESTING THAT, THAT COUNCILMAN SEAK AND ROGERS, YOU HAVE AN ALLEY THEN BOTH OF YOU BEHIND YOUR HOME. YEAH. AND SO I, IT'S PAVED, BUT, OKAY. AN ALLEY. YEAH. OKAY. AND LIKE WE SAID, WE WENT THROUGH THIS, THE BEGINNINGS OF THE VACATION. YEAH. THAT, DID IT WORK OUT? OH, NO, NO, NO. , . NO, NO, NO. AND I WAS, I WAS, I I ONLY ASK CUZ SINCE BOTH OF YOU HAVE ACTUALLY, AND I, AND I KNOW HOW MR. SEAL, I FEELS ABOUT THE ALI BEHIND YOUR HOUSE AS WELL. SO I, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF SOMEBODY CAME ALONG AND SAID, WE WANNA BUY THIS PART OF THE ALLEY AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT. I JUST, IT'LL BE, I, I JUST DIFFERENT. YEAH. I, THIS IS, I'M JUST, THIS IS GOOD THAT YOU ALL HAVE EXPERIENCE. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. FOUR OF THE FIVE OF YOU ALLEY RUNS FROM THE FLEA MARKET UP TO, IS IT PINE, PINE ONE? IT SURE DOES. I I HEARD ABOUT IT WHEN I WAS RUNNING, THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE ALLEY. SO. ALL RIGHT. WELL, UM, THAT WAS, UH, TWO E, TWO E . AND, AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT TWO E YOU CAN CROSS OFF, BUT IN MY OPINION, WE ALSO HAVE DONE NOW DONE FIVE. SO WE WILL NOT BE VISITING FIVE UNLESS ANYBODY HAS A COMMENT FILE. OKAY. YOU DON'T WANNA COMMENT ON FIVE OB. JASON, YOU GOT ENOUGH TO WORRY ABOUT. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. MR. WILSON IS GOING TO REVIEW THE TOWN BUDGET PROCESS THEN F WATCH WHAT BRIEF, I DUNNO. PJ, IT SAYS IN THE SUMMARY A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW. YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GONNA BE A HIGH LEVEL, BRIEF OVERVIEW. PLUS BE, I MISSED OUR PACKET AS WELL, SO YEAH. VERY RIVETING. ONLY 80 PAGES, SO IT SHOULDN'T TAKE TOO LONG. GARY RIVE. NO, IT'S ONLY, IT'S ABOUT 10 OR OLD PAGES. SO THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO GET IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AND JUST KIND OF REVIEW OUR BUDGET PROCESS, KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND HOW WE GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. UM, AND JUST GIVE A, A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND SEE HOW WE WORK. UM, SO GOVERNMENTAL VERSUS ENTERPRISE FUNDS, GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS, UH, IS MADE UP OF YOUR GENERAL FUNDS, STREET FUNDS, SPECIAL REVENUES, SPECIAL PROJECTS, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. [01:40:01] THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF I JUST SAID. . THE, UH, ENTERPRISE FUNDS, IT'S YOUR SERVICE FUNDS. UH, ELECTRIC WATER, SERVER GARBAGE, UM, TWO SEPARATE FUNDS. UH, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL. ONE THOSE AND KIND OF TELL YOU WHAT THEY ARE. GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS, GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS IS USED TO ACCOUNT FOR GOVERNMENT ACTIVITIES. UH, MYSELF, TOWN MANAGER, TOWN ATTORNEY, POLICE DEPARTMENT, HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE, THEY'RE SUPPORTED BY YOUR TAX REVENUE, MEALS TAX, LODGING TAX, UH, REAL ESTATE, PERSONAL PROPERTY. UH, SELECT DEPARTMENTS ARE SUPPORTED BY TRANSFERS FROM THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. SO, UH, LIKE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE COLLECTING ALL THE MONEY FOR THE TOWN. ELECTRIC, WATER, SEWER, AND GARBAGE. ALL THAT MONEY DOES HELP FLOW BACK INTO OUR OFFICE TO HELP PAY FOR IT. I'LL KIND OF GO INTO EX OR DETAIL INTO HOW THAT WORKS HERE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. BY THE WAY, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME AT ANY TIME, TIME. I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS ANYTHING, ANY FURTHER. UM, SPECIAL REVENUE FUND, UH, IT'S OUR ASSET FOR FIXERS. UH, HOPE POLICE DEPARTMENT OBTAINS FUNDS FROM THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF SOMETHING. WE CAN CALL THEM. D UH, D OJ, YEAH. D OJ, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. ONE FROM THE STATE DEFENSE. YES. UH, YES, FEDERAL AND, UH, FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDS. AND WE HAVE TO REPORT THAT. AND THERE'S A SEPARATE AUDITING PROCESS FOR THOSE FUNDS AS WELL, IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED. SO YOUR GENERAL FUND. GENERAL FUND, LIKE I SAY, REAL ESTATE, PERSONAL PROPERTY OR YOUR REVENUES, MEALS. AND THEN FUNDS RECEIVED, UH, FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA ARE VDOT FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE STATE FOR, UH, MAINTENANCE. 5 99 FUNDING THEY WERE RECEIVING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, THE DEPARTMENTS KIND OF WENT OVER THAT. UH, TOWN MANAGER, HUMAN RESOURCES, FLEET MAINTENANCE, UM, IT, HORTICULTURE FINANCE. UH, SO A LOT OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS, UH, THAT ARE UP THERE, UH, FEED INTO THE, UM, UH, THE TRANSFERS, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE SUPPLYING SERVICES FOR THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. UM, FINANCE IS PRETTY SIMPLE. UH, FLEET MANAGEMENT, OBVIOUSLY DON AND HIS CREW ARE WORKING ON THE ELECTRICS, UH, BUCKET TRUCKS. THEY'RE WORKING ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO, UM, IT'S KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD. THE, UH, LET'S SEE HERE. STREET FUND. SO EXAMPLE REVENUES. THERE IS THE HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE, UM, THAT WE RECEIVED FROM VDOT. THE REVENUE SHARING. REVENUE SHARING IS A 50 50 MATCH THAT WE RECEIVED FROM VDOT OF SPECIAL PROJECTS, PRIMARY EXTENSION FUNDING. UH, WE'VE HAD SOME MAJOR PROJECTS IN THE PRIMARY EXTENSIONS, HOPING TO GET SOME OF THAT. THAT'S USUALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING. AND THEN TRANSFERS FROM THE GENERAL FUND. SO THE WAY WE HELP BALANCE THE STREET FUND IS, IS THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES DO GET TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE STREET FUND, HELP SUPPORT THAT. SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO A PAVING PROJECT, UM, AND REVENUE CHAIN'S GONNA COVER MAYBE 50% OF IT, UH, THEN WE'RE GONNA TRANSFER THE OTHER 50% FROM GENERAL FUND TO HELP PAY FOR THAT. MAKE SENSE THERE? I KIND OF SAID THAT A LITTLE QUICK STREET FUND USED FOR PAVING, UH, BRIDGE MAINTENANCE CURB AND GUTTER SIDEWALK SNOW REMOVAL. UH, IF YOU LOOK INTO THE STREET FUND, IT'S ALSO BROKEN UP INTO THREE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS ITSELF. STREET FUND HAS, UH, THE NON VDOT SIDE, VDOT MAINTENANCE, UH, MONEY, AND THEN ALSO AN INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT THERE. SPECIAL REVENUE FUND, THAT'S OUR ASSET FOR FIXTURES. UM, AGAIN, POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, GETS THAT FROM THE, UH, COMMONWEALTH AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, USED FOR SPECIFIC ONE-TIME LAW ENFORCEMENT EXPENSES SUCH AS, UH, VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT. UH, THERE IS A THICK PACKET OF HOW THAT, UH, FUNDING CAN BE USED. UH, WE CAN'T BE USING IT FOR OPERATING EXPENSES. IT HAS TO BE, UH, SPECIFIC ONE TIME ITEMS. SPECIAL PRO SPECIAL PROJECT FUND, UH, EXAMPLES. THIS REV OR REVENUE THERE IS WHEN COUNTY COUNCIL ALLOCATES A PENNY OF THE TAX REAL ESTATE TAX RATE TO PROJECTS. UM, SO THAT MONEY IS PUT INTO THAT FUND AND IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THAT. SORRY. ANYBODY ELSE? SORRY. SO, UM, NICE PICTURE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOWN THERE, BECAUSE COUNSEL DID ALLOCATE A PENNY OF THE, OF THE TAX RATE TOWARD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT 30 YEARS AGO. ALSO, WE HAD MONEY REV ALLOCATED TO LERO PARKWAY AND WEST MAIN CONNECTOR. UM, SO THERE WAS 2 CENTS, AND WE ALLOCATED A THIRD OF THAT 2 CENTS TO EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS. UM, AND WELL, POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN BUILT, UH, LEASE RUN PARKWAY. UH, WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT SOME OF THOSE. LAWSUIT, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FUND. UH, THAT'S WHAT WE USED FOR THE CDBG. UH, SO THOSE FUNDS FROM THE CDBG COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRAND WENT INTO THAT FUND. AND THEN, UH, WE CAN ALSO ALLOCATE A, A PORTION OF THE REAL ESTATE TAX FOR THAT, FOR SPECIFIC PROJECTS IF WE SO CHOOSE. UH, THE INDU INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ACCESS [01:45:01] GRANT, UH, WENT IN THERE, AGAIN, USES THE CDBG, HELPED US OUT WITH THE FACADE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH A PICTURE OF ITS, UH, IS UP THERE. IT'S VERY NICE TOWN PAVILION, WAYFINDING SIDE, UH, AT WORTHHAM AND THE WEST MAIN CONNECTOR THAT WAS PART OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT ACCESS GRANT. WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT AGAIN HERE. TROY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND. UH, SO JUST, UH, THIS IS NOT FRIDA, UH, THIS IS A SPECIAL FUND. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T USE IT FOR FRI FOR FRIDA IN THE FUTURE. UM, BUT THIS IS THE, UH, FUND THAT WE'RE USING FOR THE DEBT SERVICE, UH, TOWARD THE, UH, WARREN COUNTY ED. A, UM, UH, ALLOCATION OF A PORTION OF THE REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE, UH, UH, CAN CERTAINLY GO THERE AS WELL. WE CAN DO A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND. UM, BUT THAT FUND HAS BEEN USED VERY LITTLE HERE IN RECENT YEARS. ENTERPRISE FUNDS, ELECTRIC WATER, SEWER, UH, SOLID WASTE. SO THEY'RE SELF-SUPPORTING. UM, WE CAN'T USE, UM, FUNDS FROM EACH, UH, FROM EACH OF THOSE. WE CAN'T USE ELECTRIC FUNDS TO SUPPORT WATER PROJECTS, SEWER TO SUPPORT SOLID WASTE. UH, THOSE RATES MUST BE SELF-SUPPORTING. UM, GOAL IS, IS TO TRY TO DO RATE ANALYSIS ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WHERE WE NEED TO BE. RATE ANALYSIS DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE RATES. UH, YEARS AGO, UH, WHAT WAS IT, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, WE DID A RATE ANALYSIS AND WE DE DECREASE THE SEWER RATES. UM, SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THOSE DONE ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS, BUT THEY DO HAVE TO BE SELF-SUPPORTING. UH, WE HAVE AUDITORS THAT COME IN AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT MONEY IS BEING USED FOR THOSE SERVICES. SO, UH, SOME EXAMPLES, AS YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC CAN'T BE USED TO SUPPORT THE TOURISM FUND. UH, WATER ARE, WATER ARE, SEWER RATES CANNOT BE USED, UH, TO BUILD A NEW, NEW ROAD. BUT THE WATER FUND CAN BE USED TO FIX PAVEMENT FROM A WATER BREAK. THERE'S A NICE PICTURE RIGHT THERE. BUT, UM, UM, SO IT ALL HAS TO BE CONDUCIVE TO THAT PARTICULAR FUND. SO HOW DID THE ENTERPRISE FUND SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFERS? YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT TRANSFERS MAYBE A COUPLE OF TIMES. UM, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE, WE SEND OUT THE TAX BILLS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING FOR THE GENERAL FUND UTILITY BILLS WE'RE SENDING OUT, UH, FOR ELECTRIC WATER SEWER SOLID WASTE. UM, BUT OUR DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE BUDGET IS BUDGETED AS A GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURE. SO THE GENERAL FUND HAS, UH, LINE ITEMS IN IT TITLED IN THE REVENUE SIDE, TITLED TRANSFER FROM ELECTRIC, TRANSFER FROM WATER TRANSFER FROM SEWER, UH, THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, IF YOU LOOK IN EACH ONE OF THEIR BUDGETS, THEY HAVE EXPENDITURES THAT SAY TRANSFER TO GENERAL FUND. SO, AGAIN, I'M BEING REDUNDANT HERE, BUT, UH, THEY'RE HELP SUPPORTING, UH, THESE DEPARTMENTS, TOWN COUNCIL, TOWN MANAGER, HUMAN RESOURCES. ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS HERE ARE BEING, UH, SUPPORTED OR HELPED, SUPPORTED BY THE, UH, ENTERPRISE FUNDS OUTTA WE CALCULATED IN EVERY, IN THE BACK OF EVERY BUDGET BOOK, YOU'LL SEE THIS SHEET. UM, IT'S ON PAGE 76 OF THE 23 BUDGET, AND IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN OF HOW WE CALCULATE IT. SO EVERY YEAR, UM, I DO UP THIS SHEET. IT'S IN THE BACK OF THE BUDGET BOOK. UH, VERY BRIEFLY, THE GREEN DOWN HERE AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF IT TELLS US HOW MUCH IS ALLOWED FOR THE TRANSFER. I TRY NOT TO HIT THAT NUMBER. UM, WE TRY TO ALWAYS, UH, BUDGET BELOW IT JUST IN CASE SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN. UM, SO AS YOU SEE THE BUDGETED AMOUNTS, FOUR FISCAL YEAR 23 OR A LITTLE LOWER, SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE, UH, A LITTLE SMALL THERE. BUT, UM, YOU'LL SEE THE, UH, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS HERE, UH, A SMALL PORTION, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PERCENTAGE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FOR PLANNING AS WELL AS POLICE. AND THEN THE PERCENTAGES ARE ACTUALLY BREAKING DOWN BY THE, UH, REVENUES, UH, THAT ARE BUDGETED FOR THAT YEAR. SO IF WE'RE NOT HITTING OUR REVENUES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING A CHANCE OF NOT HAVING OUR TRANSFERS, UH, MATCHED TO THE FORMULA. BUT IT WILL, WE ALWAYS TRY TO BUDGET A LITTLE BIT LESS, UH, JUST TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE. ANY QUESTIONS THERE? I KNOW IT'S A LOT. I JUST SAID I'M HAPPY TO REVIEW IT IN DETAIL. ANYONE? I WAS ACTUALLY JUST GETTING READY TO SAY STOP. PAUL, ANY QUESTIONS? BRUCE, YOU GOT A QUESTION? NOW? SEE, YOU GOT YOUR POINTER FINGER OUT THERE, . UH, SO EVERYTHING IN THE GREEN IS, IS A PERCENTAGE OF, OF THE REVENUES? NO, UH, SO, WELL, IT, IT TIES INTO THE REVENUES. THIS IS A ONE GIANT FORMULA. THIS WHOLE PAGE IS ONE GIANT FORMULA. YEAH. SO UP HERE AT THE TOP, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE, UH, THE [01:50:01] EXPEND OR THE BUDGET EXPENDITURES FOR SALARIES, OPERATING EXPENSE AND CAPITAL. OKAY. THEN YOU TIE THAT IN. UM, SO YOU HAVE, UH, THE AMOUNT THAT'S GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND, ELECTRIC WATER, SEWER, THOSE ARE TIED BACK INTO THE REVENUES. THE PERCENTAGE OF REVENUES AS A WHOLE, IT'S NOT ALL OF THE REVENUES, IT'S ONLY THE SALES OF SERVICES. AND, UM, UH, THE, UM, UH, YEAH, SALES OF SERVICES ONLY AND THEN GENERAL AND STREET FUND, BUT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE REVENUES FOR, UH, TRANSFERS OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FIGURED THOSE OUT. UM, SO IT'S ONLY SPECIFIC REVENUES, BUT MAINLY FOR YOUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS, IT'S THE SALES OF SERVICES FOR THOSE. SO YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING, UM, THE RENTAL FOR THE ANTENNAS, UH, FOR THE WATER, UH, WATER TREATMENT PLANTS. YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING, UH, SEPTIC CALLS, UH, THAT WE'RE RECEIVING FROM WARREN COUNTY FOR THE SEWER SIDE. UM, YOU'RE NOT RECEIVING, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. I CAN GO ON . IT'S JUST YOUR SALES AND SERVICE. I GOT THE GIST. UM, AND THEN SO YOU'RE TAKING THOSE AND THEN MULTIPLYING THEM INTO THE, UH, VARIOUS EXPENDITURES FOR THOSE, FOR THE, UH, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS. AND THEN IT BREAKS IT DOWN SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE, UH, THE ALLOCATIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED FOR EACH. UM, YOU GOT YOUR SALARIES THAT ARE OPERATING YOUR CAPITAL. AND THEN IT TIES BACK INTO, UH, THE AMOUNT OF, UM, TRANSFER THAT WE WOULD BE ALLOWED BASED ON, UH, THIS FORMULA THAT HAS, UH, BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE G F O A HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE AUDITORS. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT GIVES US THE BACKING. UH, THERE WAS A LOCALITY, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THEY GOT INTO A LOT OF TROUBLE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T, UH, BACK UP THEIR TRANSFERS. AND WE DON'T WANNA BE IN THAT BOAT. I LIKE HAVING MY 34 OR 35 AWARDS SITTING DOWN ON THE WALL DOWN THERE. SO I LIKE STICKING WITH THIS. YEAH. THE QUESTIONS THERE ON THIS PART, UH, HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH YOUR, UH, WITH YOUR BUFFER AMOUNT? BJ MEAN, UM, SECRETARY TERM ACROSS THE BOARD? OR DO YOU JUST LIKE, OR IS IT CHANGE EVERY YEAR? IT CHANGES EVERY YEAR BASED ON HOW COMFORTABLE, AND THIS IS MAYBE A, A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, SELFISH, BUT HOW COMFORTABLE I FEEL WITH THE REVENUES, WHAT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT PROJECTS DO I SEE COMING DOWN THE PIKE. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S GOING TO BE A YEAR WHERE I CAN JUSTIFY, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR WATER. WE'VE HAD A REDUNDANT WATER LINE GOING ON, SO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING A LITTLE BIT HARDER FOR THAT. SO MAYBE I'LL, I WON'T GIVE SO MUCH OF A BUFFER, BUT A LOT OF IT BOILS DOWN TO HOW COMFORTABLE I FEEL WITH THE, UM, THE REVENUE FIGURES. UM, THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A, A GOOD BUFFER THERE OR A GOOD WAY. I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S ALL 5%, 10%, 25%, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HOW UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT I FEEL WITH THOSE NUMBERS, WE HAVE TO KEEP A CERTAIN AMOUNT IN OUR RESERVES LIKE THAT. THAT'S A, THAT'S A LEAP. I MEAN, THAT WE'RE TOLD HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO KEEP CONVERSATION. YEAH. WELL, WELL, WE HAVE OUR FISCAL POLICIES. UM, I DON'T KNOW THE TERMINOLOGY, THERE'S SPECIFIC WORDING FOR IT, BUT IT EQUATES TO THREE MONTHS OF OUR, OF OUR CURRENT BUDGET IS WHAT OUR FISCAL POLICY STATES. BUT THERE'S ANOTHER TERMINOLOGY FOR IT. AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE OUR RETREAT, IT'S IMPORTANT. WE COME TOGETHER EACH YEAR AS COUNCIL AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND SPEND MONEY ON. AND THEN WE GO TO BJ AND HE TELLS US TO GET REAL . AND THEN HE, HE HAS A GOOD IDEA, LIKE NO SOONER THAN WE SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS IN PAVING LAST YEAR AND MADE TRANSFERS, VDOT CAME BACK AND SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, WE'RE READY TO FIX EIGHTH STREET, BRIDGET B CROSBY, BUT YOU HAVE TO REVENUE SHARE. SO WE HAD TO TRANSFER PART OF THAT MILLION DOLLARS FOR PAVING BACK TO REVENUE SHARE TO MEET VDOT FOR THE EIGHTH STREET, BRIDGET B CROSBY. SO HE DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF PROJECTIONS. AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, WAIT. JUST KIDDING. YEAH. YEAH. AND I, BELIEVE ME, I DID NOT WANNA COME BACK AND DO THAT, BUT , WE, WE JUST INVITED TO THE PUBLIC FOR TEARING UP ALL THE ROAD. ALSO DIDN'T WANNA TURN DOWN $1.5 MILLION. YEAH, THAT'S, SO WE'RE GOOD AT THIS POINT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THIS POINT? PROPERTY TAX INCREASE, HOW'S THAT GONNA AFFECT YOUR, YOU MEAN THE ASSESSMENT INCREASE? NO, SO THE ASSESSMENT INCREASE, WE WILL HAVE TO ADVERTISE FOR EQUALIZATION. UM, NO MATTER WHAT WE'RE REQUIRE, WE'RE STATE MANDATED TO RE UH, TO ADVERTISE EQUALIZATION, EQUALIZATION. SO PROPERTY VALUES GO UP 30%. WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE, UH, THE EQUALIZATION TO COME DOWN TO 30% TO WHERE OUR REVENUES WERE PREVIOUSLY. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO EQUALIZE, BUT WE HAVE TO AT LEAST ADVERTISE THAT. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. NOW, HOW THAT TIES INTO THE BUDGET IS GONNA BE DEPENDING ON THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE. AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE. , WE'RE READY. BJ YOU READY? OKAY, WE'RE READY. SORRY. COUNCIL'S BUDGET. I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE TOWN COUNCIL'S BUDGET AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THE LINE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, UH, SO YOU GUYS CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. SO SALARY'S PART-TIME AND FICA, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY FOR YOU [01:55:01] GUYS TO SIT HERE AT THE MEETING. UM, , SORRY. WORK SESSION AND, AND REGULAR READINGS. I SEE, I SEE. WE WENT DOWN. IS THAT BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T LET US HAVE FOOD AT OUR MEETINGS ANYMORE? ? NO, THAT'S, NO, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE SALARIES. TALKING ABOUT THOSE SALARIES. BUT I BET THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SO MANY OPENINGS THAT, UM, ACTUALLY THE, UH, WE HAD, UH, UH, UH, LAST YEAR WE HAD IN, UH, INCORPORATED A, UM, UM, A SLIGHT RAISE. BUT YOU GUYS ELECTED. WE TOOK IT AWAY. YOU GUYS ELECTED NOT TO TAKE GRANT. WE DENIED IT. COUNCIL DENIED A RAISE. THAT'S RIGHT. I HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH YOU. UH, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, $80,000 THERE. THAT IS, UH, FOR AUDITING SERVICES BY THE, THE WAY. I APOLOGIZE. FISCAL YEAR 24, UH, DEPARTMENT REQUEST. THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE FIGURES THAT WE'RE WORKING OFF OF CURRENTLY. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED. IT'S GOING TO BE PROPOSED. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING OFF CURRENTLY, UH, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 24. UM, FISCAL YEAR 23 IS WHAT IS ADOPTED. FISCAL YEAR 22 IS ACTUAL, UH, THAT IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY SPENT. SO ANYWAY, BACK TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THERE. $80,000 YOU SHOULD SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN. THAT IS FOR OUR AUDITING SERVICES. UM, WE'VE USED MITCHELL AND COMPANY FOR 20 SOME YEARS, I BELIEVE. UM, MITCHELL AND COMPANY, OR JEFF MITCHELL IS RETIRING. NO ONE IN HIS FIRM WANTS TO TAKE OVER THE, UH, CONTRACT. THEY'RE MOVING TOWARD MORE TOWARD DOING CORPORATE TAXES. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SOLICIT FOR A NEW AUDITING SERVICE, UM, WHICH BREAKS MY HEART. BUT HERE WE ARE. THE, UH, THE OTHER THING THAT'S IN THERE IS ACTUARIAL REPORTS. ACTUARIAL REPORTS BEING, UH, REPORTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR THE OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, UH, COMPONENT, UH, LODA LIFE. UM, HELP ME OUT. CHIEF OUT DUTY DEATH ACT, UNDER DUTY, DEATH ACT, , UM, UH, WE HAVE TO DO ACTUARIAL REPORTS, UH, FOR THE AUDITING, UH, SERVICES. SO, UH, $70,000 IS WHAT WE'VE BUDGETED THIS YEAR FOR IT. UH, I HAVE TO PUT THIS, OR WE'VE GOT A SOLICITATION ON THE STREET NOW, SO I'M KIND OF EXPECTING THAT TO COME BACK AROUND $80,000 ALTOGETHER. ADVERTISING. ADVERTISING DID INCREASE. ADVERTISING IS FOR, UM, YEAH, , ALMOST DOUBLE YES. ADVERTISING. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE IS FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, UM, WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE MORE FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE'RE HAVING. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE INCREASE. DO WE INCORPORATE, YOU KNOW HOW I AM BJ THAT'S FINE. DO WE, I MEAN, CHARGE THAT ISN'T, YEAH, I WAS CHARGE CHARGE THEM TO ADVERTISE. IS THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION? THAT IT'S PART OF YOUR REVENUES THAT COME, THE REVENUE SEE AN INCREASE, IT'S GONNA BE OFFSET. SEE, AN INCREASE IN REVENUES. I, I ONLY SAY THAT CUZ REALLY THE REST OF THE CITIZENS SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF ADVERTISING SOMEBODY ELSE'S SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS, WE'VE EVEN POSTPONED A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN CHARGED THEM TO ADVERTISE AGAIN SINCE MY TIME ON COUNSEL. SO YOU'LL SEE IT. DO WE CHARGE THEM WARREN OR IS IT PART OF THE APPLICATION? KNOW WHY? IT WAS LIKE, IF THEY VOLUNTARILY PULL IT AND WE'VE ADVERTISED IT, YES. WE'LL CHARGE THEM. IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THERE WEREN'T, THERE WASN'T A QUORUM THEN, NO. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. THAT WASN'T ON THEM. THAT WAS THE MESS. OKAY. BUT IT'S $200 TO ADVERTISE. SO WHEN WE ADVERTISE FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN WE ADVERTISE THE CANCEL, THAT'S WHY WE CHARGE $400 FOR EACH APPLICATION. WELL, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT ANOTHER DAY SOON WE CHARGE $400. SO LITERALLY WE'LL SEE THAT INCREASE IN ANOTHER, SORRY. WE DON'T NORMALLY DO THIS BACK AND FORTH WITH PEOPLE AND, UH, BUT SO WE'RE CHARGING $400 FOR AN APPLICATION AND LITERALLY IT'S JUST PAYING FOR THE ADVERTISEMENT. YES. SO, SO ALL THE REST OF STAFF'S TIME AND ENERGY AND A WHOA. INSPECTIONS. INTERESTING. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE HERE. SO, UH, GOVERNMENT PURCHASE, GOVERNMENT SERVICES, $50,000 THERE. 40,000 FOR THIS YEAR. THAT'S FOR THE DRUG COURT. UH, UH, WOO. THAT WE, UM, ENTERED INTO AGREEMENT FOR POSTAL SERVICES. WE HAVE TO, UH, NOTIFY THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS FOR, UM, SHORT TERM, SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO, THERE YOU GO, . OKAY, WELL DON'T GO THERE. SO HERE WE GO. SO THAT'S ANOTHER FOUR. WOW. AND THIS IS JUST COUNCIL'S BUDGET. YOU'LL SEE ALSO INCREASES IN PLANNING AND ZONING WHEN WE GET TO THOSE LATER ON HERE IN A COUPLE MONTHS IN COUNCIL'S DEFENSE ABOUT THE CHARGES OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL BECAUSE IT'S FAIRLY NEW. MM-HMM. , WE, WE ESTIMATED WHEN WE SAID WHAT THE APPLICATION FEE WAS AND WE TRIED TO KEEP IT REASONABLE, BUT LIKE I LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE ANALYZING THE BUDGET'S VERY HELPFUL TO US BECAUSE WE MIGHT LOOK AT THAT AND SAY MAYBE OUR APPLICATION FEE IS NOT, I KNOW. SO IT'S ALSO EXTREME. WELL, WELL TO THAT POINT THOUGH, WE'RE INCREASING REVENUE FOR LODGING, FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. ARE WE NOT? WELL, BECAUSE OUR TAX DIFFERENTLY WE WILL, BUT THERE'S, UM, THERE'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A TOPIC FOR ANOTHER DAY. CAUSE I KNOW A LOT GOING ON WITH THAT. I KNOW, BUT SORRY, WE TALKED ABOUT [02:00:01] EVERY DECISION. YEAH, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT THERE. WE'LL GET TO THAT IN FEBRUARY WHEN WE'LL GET TO THE REVENUES. , SORRY. UH, OFFICE SUPPLIES A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR, YOU KNOW, TENS AND UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. TRAVEL AND EDUCATION. UH, THAT IS FOR COUNCILS, UH, GOING TO VML OR, UH, ANY OTHER, THEY DID COME DOWN BECAUSE LESS PEOPLE WENT. THAT'S OKAY. UH, COUNCIL EXPENSE, UH, $3,000 IN THERE. THAT IS FOR THE RETREATS THAT WE MAY HAVE IF WE GET A FACILITATOR, IF WE GET, YOU KNOW, UM, ANY KIND OF, UH, SUPPLIES FOR THE RETREATS. WE'RE NOT KIDDING. YEAH, I WASN'T GONNA SAY IT. OKAY. IT'S GONNA BE MAYOR. MAYOR IS GONNA MELTING POT. THE, UM, UH, INCIDENTAL EXPENSES. UH, THIS IS THE SCHOLARSHIPS. SO SOMETHING I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE IS WITH THE SCHOLARSHIPS IN, UH, UH, YEARS PAST, WE RECEIVED PRIVATE DONATIONS. UH, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE A PRIVATE DONATION THIS YEAR. UM, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, KNOWLEDGE OF A RECEIVING ONE FOR NEXT YEAR. SO WASN'T SURE IF WE WANTED TO KEEP IT AT $3,000 WITHOUT PRIVATE DONATION. IF WE WANTED TO TAKE IT BACK DOWN TO THE THOUSAND, 2000. JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IT. I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW. UH, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. SO WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IS THAT IT USED TO BE THERE WAS $1,000 SCHOLARSHIP OR ONE, LIKE TWO $500 SCHOLARSHIPS. AND THEN SINCE MY TIME ON COUNCIL, WE HAD A CITIZEN THAT CAME IN AND SAID THEY WANTED TO, THEY WANTED TO DONATE TO, TO MAKE SURE. CORRECT. TO GIVE. SO THAT, THAT THEN WE WENT TO TWO AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAD ANOTHER DONATION AND WE YES, MA'AM. WENT TO THREE. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT SAYS $3,000 SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE IS ONE OF THOSE VARIOUS COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS LATER ON TONIGHT. UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS NOW WE'RE KIND OF BACK TO THAT THOUSAND DOLLARS. WE REALLY ONLY HAVE A THOUSAND DOLLARS. UH, WE HAVE, I MEAN, WE'VE BUDGETED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, $3,000. OKAY. UM, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. YEAH. JUST SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT. AND THIS YEAR, FY 23 IS STILL GONNA BE THREE $1,000, WHICH, CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR IT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE. YEAH. CORRECT, CORRECT, CORRECT. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN THE GOVERNMENT ACCESS CHANNEL, UH, THAT'S KIND OF A STANDARD FEE. AND WE DON'T, AND WE DON'T GET, UM, XFINITY COMCAST DOESN'T THEY? CUZ THEY USED TO GIVE A BREAK ON THAT, RIGHT? YES. AND THERE IS, AS PART OF OUR, THE FACT THAT WE LET THEM USE OUR TELEPHONE POLE FOR THEIR YEAH, THERE IS, THERE IS A BREAK AND I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE INS AND OUTS AND ALL HONESTY. WHO WAS THE BIG DROP IN FIFTH? 1 22, ACTUAL 77. IS THAT RIGHT? THE, UH, COVID. YES. THAT WAS COVID. YEAH. THEY WEREN'T DOING AS MUCH . UM, THIS KIND OF JUST GOES OVER EVERYTHING I JUST TALKED ABOUT THERE. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UH, TELLS YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, ABOUT THE LINE ITEMS THERE. UM, AND THEN ABOUT MOVING INTO OUR FISCAL YEAR 2324 BUDGET CALENDAR. SO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING? WHERE ARE WE AT? SO RIGHT NOW, JANUARY 9TH, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE IN JUST A MINUTE AFTER I FINISH UP THIS LITTLE PRESENTATION. UM, AND THEN FEBRUARY 13TH I'LL COME BACK AND GIVE YOU GUYS AN OVERVIEW OF THE REVENUES, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT TO EXPECT, WHAT WE'RE THINKING. UM, LOT OF THINGS UP IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW. WE'RE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH IT. I CAN THROW MY BEST GUESS AT THESE REVENUES AND, YOU KNOW. YEAH. UH, WE'VE SEEN WHAT HAVE COMING. WE SAW, YEAH. THE MEALS AND LODGING TAX LIMITED. SO, UH, BUT I'LL COME BACK, UH, WITH, UH, MY BEST ESTIMATES ON THESE THINGS. MARCH 1ST, WE WILL PROVIDE THE TOWN MANAGERS RECOMMENDED BUDGET TO TOWN COUNCIL. UM, AND THEN MARCH 13TH, WE WILL REVIEW THE EXPENDITURES, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET AND DISCUSS THE PERSONAL PROPERTY AND REAL ESTATE TAX RATES TO BE ADVERTISED FOR PUBLIC HEARING. UH, THAT'S THE BIG ONE, UH, THAT WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, DISCUSSED IS, UH, WHEN THAT TIME COMES, WE'LL HAVE TO COME OUT OF THAT MEETING WITH WHAT WE'RE GONNA ADVERTISE. WE CAN ALWAYS ADVERTISE HIGHER AND THEN VOTE, YOU KNOW, FOR LOWER, BUT WE CAN'T ADVERTISE LOWER AND VOTE HIGHER. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. WELL, THIS YEAR WE WILL HAVE TO ADVERTISE FOR THE EQUALIZATION AS WELL. THERE'S SPECIFIC STATE MANDATES THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, TO, UH, ADHERE TO, UH, FOR THE, UM, UH, ASSESSMENTS AS WE WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE A MINUTE AGO. UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO ADVERTISE WHAT THE EQUALIZATION RATE WOULD BE, UH, TO EQUALIZE. AND THEN WHEN IT ACTUALLY COMES DOWN TO THE, UM, REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING AT THAT POINT IN TIME, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE, UH, HIGHER THAN THE EQUALIZATION RATE, IF THAT'S, UH, WHAT WE SO CHOOSE TO DO. SO, UH, MARCH, UH, MARCH 13TH, WE'LL HAVE THE WORK SESSION MARCH 14TH. UM, HOPEFULLY MS. TINO WILL BE PLACING AN AD FOR US THERE. AND THEN MARCH 17TH WOULD, UH, BE WHEN WE WOULD, UH, HAVE OUR, UH, NORMAL, REGULAR, UH, SCHEDULED [02:05:01] COUNCIL MEETING TO, UH, VOTE ON THE TAX RATES. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T HAVE A WORK SESSION IN BETWEEN THERE IF WE SO NEED TO, TO, TO FURTHER DISCUSS THINGS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE AWARE THAT MARCH 13TH WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS WHAT THE PERSONAL PROPERTY, REAL ESTATE TAX RATES ARE ONCE IT'S ADVERTISED ON THE 14TH, RIGHT? CORRECT. WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GO HIGHER. THAT'S CORRECT. WE CAN YOU CAN GO LOWER, BUT YOU CAN'T GO HIGHER. CORRECT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT. SO, UM, MARCH 27TH, UH, VOTE ON OUR, UH, REAL ESTATE TAX RATE. SO WE CAN HAVE THOSE OVER TO, UH, THE ORANGE COUNTY COMMISSIONER REVENUES OFFICE SO WE CAN GET OUR, UM, TAX BOOKS BACK FROM THEM. HOPEFULLY. WELL, WE WAITED ON THE STATE LAST YEAR FOREVER. THEY WERE WAITING ON THE STATE. CORRECT. AND I CAN CERTAINLY RESPECT THAT. YES. UM, IT'S, WE'VE, UH, FOR THE PAST, I THINK WE'RE GOING ON THREE YEARS NOW THAT OUR TAX, UH, BILLS HAVE BEEN DELAYED IN MAILING. UM, SO THEN, UH, APRIL 5TH, UH, WE WILL, UH, ADVERTISE, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ANNUAL APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE. THAT'S THE BUDGET, THAT'S JUST A FANCY WAY OF SAYING BUDGET, UH, APRIL 10TH, ANOTHER WORK SESSION, UH, AS NEEDED, UH, TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET IF WE NEED TO DO SO. UM, AND THEN APRIL 24TH, UH, WE WOULD HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE FISCAL YEAR 2324 APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE AND RATE ORDINANCES. UH, RATE ORDINANCES WILL BE DISCUSSING MORE IN FEBRUARY WHEN WE GET TO OUR REVENUES. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT TOO . YEP. I'LL JUST SAY FOLKS THAT FROM WHAT BJ'S GOT WRITTEN UP HERE, UM, BASED UPON WHAT WE JUST RECENTLY HEARD JUST IN RICHMOND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WELL WITHIN TRACK OF WHAT THIS HAPPENS ACROSS THE STATE. CUZ IT'S WHAT, JULY. JULY, RIGHT? JULY IS THE FISCAL YEAR. JULY FISCAL YEAR. YEAH. A LOT OF, A LOT OF, UH, OTHER OR, UH, MUNICIPALITIES WE SAW, HEY, DO, THERES LIKE, REMEMBER BRUCE SAID LIKE IN MAY, YOU KNOW, EVEN IN JUNE, YOU KNOW, SO TO HAVE ALL THIS WELL, YEAH. HAVING ONE ADDITIONAL WORK SESSION IS BJB IN CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE RIGHT. WITH OUR VERY FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE MAYOR, WE WILL LIKELY HAVE MULTIPLE WORK. SO UP ON THAT, I JUST, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS GOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STATE CALLS FOR A CERTAIN TIME FOR THIS TO BE DONE, AND THIS FALLS WITHIN, WELL WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME. SO, ONE COMMENT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD IS THAT PJ IS WONDERFUL ABOUT ASKING QUESTIONS. MY FIRST YEAR ON COUNCIL, I FELT THE BUDGET WAS KIND OF OVERWHELMING. I WAS LOOKING AT IT. UM, AND THEN THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND DEFINITELY LAST YEAR, PJ KNOWS, LIKE I'VE, YOU KNOW, JUST COMBED THROUGH EVERYTHING. I HAD SO MANY MISSPELLINGS IN THAT BOOK. YEAH. , . BUT THERE WAS LOTS OF OTHER, I HAD LOTS OF OTHER QUESTIONS AND, AND I, AND I WAS ALMOST APOLOGETIC. LIKE, I'M SORRY, I WANNA ASK HIM ABOUT THIS. AND BJ WAS LIKE, NO, I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY IS LOOKING THROUGH THIS AND ASKING THE QUESTIONS AND HE ENJOYS EXPLAINING IT. I MEAN, I, I LIKE YOU ENJOYED IT. SO I MEAN, I DO, I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM SITTING DOWN, UH, WITH YOU ONE-ON-ONE IF YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK THROUGH SOMETHING OR HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. SO, UH, HAPPY TO, UH, GIVE YOU LINE ITEM BREAKDOWNS IF NEED BE. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GONNA SAY. UM, I, I FELT SO MUCH BETTER LAST YEAR HAVING HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND REALLY LOOKING THROUGH IT. BECAUSE THEN WHEN PEOPLE ASK YOU, WHEN THE CITIZENS ASK YOU ABOUT THINGS, YOU'RE SPEAKING FROM A PLACE OF, OF, OF KNOWLEDGE AND LIKE, WELL, THIS WAS THIS, THIS WAS THAT. YOU KNOW. UM, SO I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL WHEN YOU GET THE BUDGET AND THERE'LL BE A NICE BIG THICK LITTLE BOOK THERE. UH, BUT TO, YOU KNOW, HE, TO ASK QUESTIONS AND, AND, UH, MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND IT AND KNOW WHAT YOU'RE VOTING FOR WHEN WE VOTE FOR IT. SO, I'LL JUST PIGGYBACK OFF OF LORI'S COMMENT. UM, THE BUDGET IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. IT'S A LARGE REASON WHY MOST OF US SIT AROUND THIS TABLE. UM, AND BJ IS VERY HUMBLE, BUT THE TOWN, WE'RE ONE OF THE LARGEST TOWNS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. AND BJ HAS BEEN WITH THE TOWN FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND HE IS EXTREMELY THOROUGH. AND AS EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD KNOWS, IT WAS BJ'S, UM, VERY GOOD FINANCIAL, UM, INSIGHT THAT CAUGHT MS PAYMENTS AND MISAPPROPRIATIONS. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, HE MENTIONED 30 COUPLE YEARS EARLIER, THE TOWN HAS RECEIVED AN AWARD FOR EXCELLENCE IN ACCOUNTING AND AUDITING FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT FOR 34 OR 35 YEARS IN A ROW CONSECUTIVELY. SO, UM, I DON'T WANNA BE IN THEN AS THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE THAT LOSES THAT AWARD. , RIGHT? AND, UM, EVEN THE AUDITORS THIS YEAR, I'M PART OF THE BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEE. I WAS APPOINTED TO IT LAST YEAR [02:10:01] AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. UM, THE AUDITOR WHO'S RETIRING THAT HE MENTIONED WAS EVEN DISAPPOINTED. HE SAID, WHEN HE COMES IN AND AUDITS BJ'S STUFF, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALL VERY CLEAN AND VERY WELL TAKEN CARE OF. SO AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE SHOULD ALL FEEL VERY GOOD KNOWING THAT THAT'S THE CASE. SO THIS IS THE CALENDAR. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PART BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE HIGHLIGHTS? I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, . ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS, UM, I'D LIKE TO, UH, BRING UP ANY, UH, KIND OF BIG ITEMS OR OUT OF THE ORDINARY ITEMS TO COUNSEL BEFORE, UH, WE EVEN TRY TO INCORPORATE THEM INTO THE BUDGET. UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE, UH, PROVIDED THERE. THIS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE TOO WELL, BUT I'LL DO THE BEST THAT I CAN. WE CAN SEE IT ON OUR IPADS TOO. YEAH, WE HAVE IT. YEAH. SO THE, UM, UH, THE 10TH SQUARE YEAR, 24 BUDGETARY ITEMS, UH, FOR REVIEW THERE. UH, WHAT WE HAVE, UH, THE ORANGE, UH, WE'RE KIND OF, UH, LEANING TOWARD THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DEFERRED TO A FUTURE YEAR. UM, THE, UH, JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS, UH, BUDGET BALANCED. SO THE, UM, VERY WELL, RIGHT OFF THE TOP, ALL THE COMPENSATION STUDY. BIG QUESTION MARK THERE. WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE FIRM TO GET ON, GET FINAL FIGURES, UH, ON THAT, AND ALSO TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA IMPLEMENT THAT. SO I'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. BELIEVE ME. I WILL SAY IT'S BEEN PROMISING. WE JUST BROUGHT ON SOME NEW EMPLOYEES AT WASTEWATER TO BE SPECIFIC. I SPOKE TO HIM AND HE SAID WE WERE THE MOST COMPETITIVE WHEN IT CAME TO THE CITY OF WINCHESTER, THE TOWN OF FORT ROYAL, AND ONE OTHER CITY. SO THAT WAS REASSURING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE LIKE WAY OFF THE MARK WHEN THE COMPENSATION CITY COMES AT HOPEFULLY . WE ARE, I'M NOT EVEN, THAT WAS REASSURING. NOW, SOME AREAS WE ARE, UM, UH, ESTIMATED INSURANCE INCREASE. WE'RE, UH, RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE DELAYED OUR, OUR BUDGET CALENDAR WAS BECAUSE OF THE INSURANCE INCREASE. UH, BACK IN OCTOBER. YOU KNOW, WE WERE THINKING, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS OTHER PLACES THAT WE'RE SEEING A 30% INCREASE. RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING BETWEEN EIGHT AND 13. I'M REALLY HOPING WE'RE LOOKING AT EIGHT . UM, BUT, UH, WE'LL KNOW THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY COME, UH, NEXT MONTH IN FEBRUARY, UH, REMOVAL OF THE ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER POSITION, $54,000 THERE, UH, DIRECTOR OF IT, $120,000, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, TOWN ATTORNEY, PART-TIME, LEGAL ASSISTANT, UH, THAT IS INDEED ORANGE, $30,000. UH, POLICE ONE ADDITIONAL CERTIFIED OFFICER, UH, SLASH COMMUNITY RESOURCE OFFICER. WE'RE LOOKING AT $80,000 THERE, AND I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS ANY OF THESE MORE. UM, OR AS BEST WE CAN, I MIGHT HAVE TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM THE DEPARTMENTS AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL. UH, OR YOU GUYS CAN, UH, CERTAINLY SUIT IT. SHOOT ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE TO ME OR JOE, YOU GOT LOADED NUMBERS, SO WELL, THEY REACH OUT. I'M SORRY, THEY'RE NOT LOADED. YES, THEY ARE. MM-HMM. . SO THE, UM, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE, UH, FOR INITIAL POLICE OFFICER. YEAH. UM, YOU KNOW, $80,000, THAT WOULD BE ALL INCLUSIVE OF YOUR, UM, OKAY. YEAH. YOUR INSURANCE. UH, YEAH, THE REMOVAL TOWN MANAGER INCLUDED BENEFITS. YES. THAT INCLUDES THE BENEFITS AS WELL. YEAH. UM, AND IT'S ROUGH, OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA GET A, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, AN, YOU KNOW, MASTER POLICE OFFICER, RETIRED POLICE OFFICER. I, BUT THIS, THAT'S JUST A KIND OF A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. UH, FRIDA, THE, UH, SALARIES, $18,070, THAT IS ONLY FRIDA'S SALARIES. UM, THAT'S FOR, FOR THE MEETINGS. UH, WHAT ARE TREATMENT PLAN TO CONVERT A PART-TIME MAINTENANCE, UH, TECH POSITION OVER TO FULL-TIME, UH, FOR $50,000? UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT MOST LIKELY DEFERRING THAT AS WELL. I'M SORRY. ANY QUESTIONS THERE? WELL, ON THE FRIDA SALARIES, I JUST WANTED TO LET THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW THEY GET PAID PER MEETING INSTEAD OF A MONTHLY STIPEND LIKE US, AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN MEETING. SO THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN BEING PAID, CORRECT. SURE. UH, SERVICES, THIS IS KIND OF OUR OPERATING EXPENSE ITEMS THAT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IT. UH, AGAIN, THERE'S THE DRUG COURT FOR $50,000. UH, THE SCHOLARSHIPS, UM, $3,000. UH, AND LIKE I SAY, THE $2,000 WAS PREVIOUSLY OFFSET FROM DONATIONS, UH, JUST TO GET THINGS, UH, STARTED HUMAN RESOURCES. WE HAVE A WELLNESS PROGRAM, $7,500. IT, UH, BLACK BOX SYSTEM, TELEPHONE UPGRADE, $30,000, UM, POLICE, GIS MAINTENANCE, UH, 24,300 PLANNING AND ZONING TRANSPORTATION PLAN. THIS ISN'T YOU ORANGE AND I'M SORRY, BUT THE, UH, $120,000 ESTIMATED. UH, WE DID SET ASIDE $45,000 PREVIOUSLY, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 75 GRAND, UH, TO GET THAT THING MOVING. UM, SO THAT IS A, ONE OF THE BIGGER TICKET ITEMS RIGHT NOW. SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, UH, 1500 FESTIVAL LEASE, 4,000 HALLOWEEN EVENTS, FIREWORKS, UH, HALLOWEEN EVENT, $4,000 FIREWORKS, $20,000. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. [02:15:01] UH, THEN GOING INTO TOURISM. UM, SO WHAT I DID HERE IS I TOOK THE AMOUNT MAXIMUM ALLOWED PER THE TOURISM AGREEMENT, UH, FOR THE FIVE YEAR AVERAGE, UH, FIVE YEAR AVERAGE BEING $297,000 THERE, MULTIPLYING IT BY THE 70%, UH, GETS US TO THE 208, UH, $333. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM, UH, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BASED ON THE, UH, UH, THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE THERE. UH, THE FIREWORKS LAST YEAR, THEY GOT DONATIONS. I WAS GETTING TO SAY WE DIDN'T, THE, I, NO, NO, THAT DIDN'T, I THOUGHT THAT WAS SPONSORED. NO. OKAY. WELL, WE'LL JUST, OKAY. WELL, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION REAL QUICK. IF WE'RE GONNA GO ABOUT THE WELLNESS PROGRAM FOR 7,500. ALSO, I THINK WE GOT AN INSURANCE DISCOUNT FOR DOING, IMPLEMENTING THAT LAST YEAR OR SOMETHING, OR THEY TOLD US WE WOULD, UM, LAST. SHE TOLD US IF WE IMPLEMENTED THAT, WE WOULD, IF WE WOULD'VE GONE WITHOUT THE INSURANCE POOL. OH, THAT WAS, YEAH. OKAY. UM, THESE ARE GOOD THINGS TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW. THAT'S, UH, APPRECIATE THAT. IF YOU WANT US TO GO AS WE GO, I WAS LIKE MAKING NO, I'M HAPPY. I'M HAPPY TO FIREWORKS. I WAS ALSO UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WAS SPONSORED AND NOT, WE DIDN'T END UP PAYING. I KNEW WE INITIALLY EXPECTED TO, BUT YES. THE, UM, BUT, UM, , IT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR FIREWORK, CORRECT? WELL, IT WAS A WHOLE LIKE, CARNIVAL OF EVENTS, SO IT WASN'T JUST FOR THE, THERE WERE SPONSORS FOR THAT EVENT. UM, BUT THAT WAS LIKE THROUGH THE CARDINALS GAME AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT ANYWAY, UH, WE WON'T, WE WON'T BEAT THAT DEAD HORSE, BUT, UH, BUT YEAH. WE'LL, THAT'S A, OKAY. MOVING ALONG. . YEAH. UH, THE TROLLEY, UH, 47,293. UH, THAT IS THE, UM, UH, JUST FOR THE REGULAR OPERATIONS OF THE TROLLEY, UH, WE RECEIVED THAT, UH, UH, BUDGET FROM THE, UH, VIRGINIA, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ACRONYM, UH, THAT RUNS THE TROLLEY, RT, UM, THE TROLLEY EXPANSION. IF WE, UH, SO CHOSE TO GO WITH THAT, THEY DID PROVIDE US A FIGURE ON THAT OF $4,626, WHICH FIRST NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT MEANT ADDING ADDITIONAL STOPS, IS THE JOB CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST LETTING YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE IN A, YEAH, THAT WAS THE IDEA. BUT GO AHEAD. UM, ELECTRIC, UH, ASSET, UH, WORK ORDER, UH, SOFTWARE OF $8,000, UH, WATER PLANT CLEARWELL REPAIRS, UM, FOR ONE AND TWO, THE A HUNDRED HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FREE TO OPERATING EXPENSE. KIND OF NEED SOME DIRECTION ON THAT AS TO OPERATING . WELL, I'M GONNA NEED SOME SORT OF BUDGET FIGURE FOR THAT. SO WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION ON HOW TO, YOU KNOW, YEAH. WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO WITH THAT? NOT THE RIGHT TIME TO SAY THAT, BUT NOT THE RIGHT TIME. NOT YOU, I MEAN, NOT THE RIGHT TIME FOR ME TO SAY THAT, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE ON A WORK SESSION. CLOSED SESSION, SOMETHING SOON. ASAP. ASAP. CLOSED SESSION. I AGREE. AB, ABSOLUTELY. SO, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN, ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, $25,000. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT THIS ONE IS. UM, IN ORDER TO, UH, FOR US TO APPLY FOR SOME, UH, FEDERAL FUNDING, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. SO I'M VERY HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. ONE. HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE, UH, STORM SEWER, UH, SURVEY MAPPING. YEAR ONE OH $400,000. WE HAVE THAT IN ORANGE. UM, MOST LIKELY DEFERRING THAT BRIDGE INSPECTION LOAD RATING. 25 OR $23,000. WE NEED TO DO THAT. THAT IS STATE MANDATED. UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEERING FIRM COME IN HERE. AND, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER PAGE. . OH YEAH, IT'S GOING ON. HOW MANY? MOVING A LITTLE SLOWER. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH, NO, YOU'RE GOOD. WE'LL, STOP ASKING FLEET MAINTENANCE THERE. UH, THESE TOP THREE ITEMS, THE FREE ON RECOVERY AIR COMPRESSOR AND THE FOUR POST LIFT, WE CAN POSSIBLY INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE, UH, RENOVATION OF THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING. UM, WELL HOPEFULLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT HERE. AND THE NEXT MONTH, WE JUST PUT THAT OUT TO BID AS IT, IT IS, UM, UH, SOLICITATION IS UP, UH, POLICE, UH, BODY-WORN CAMERAS, FIFTH YEAR OF THE LEASE, UM, AT A FOURTH, FOURTH OF FIVE YEAR LEASE, $32,000. UM, AND THEN THE, UH, FIFTH OF THE 10TH YEAR FOR THE RADIO, UH, SYSTEM. THAT DEBT SERVICE ENDS IN NOVEMBER OF 2020. SO $71,000 ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT. UH, SEE THAT IN ORANGE THERE FOR THE UNDERGROUND WIRE PULLER, YOU'RE ONE OF TWO. UH, SO TOTAL OF $150,000, IT'S LIKELY DEFERRING THAT, UH, THE WATER PLANT, THE INDEX TRA TRAVELING SCREEN REPLACEMENTS. UM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS SOMETHING DEQS, UH, GONNA BE REQUIRING US TO DO. SO THE, UH, WE'RE PUTTING THE $75,000 THERE FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS TO TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. UM, THE REPAIRS FOR THE RAW WATER SETTLING BASEMENT, I MUST HAVE THIS ON HERE TWICE, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, IT WAS UNDER THE SERVICES. UH, SO THAT IS A DUPLICATE, WELL, THAT'S PROMISING THOUSAND, RIGHT? WE CAN ADD THAT TO TRANSPORTATION. THERE YOU GO. . NOPE. CAN'T TRANSFER [02:20:01] THE, UH, UH, FLOW METERS FOR THE GUARD HILL PUMP STATION. $25,000 CLARIFIER DRIVE AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, FOR $90,000. UH, THAT'S JUST TO REPLACE NUMBER TWO, CLARIFIER DRIVE. THAT IS, UH, THEY'RE REPLACING OLD MONITORING, UH, CABINET AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT FOR 11,300, UH, TRENCH BOX FOR THE WATER SEWER LINE CREW. WHEN THAT COMES UP IN THE BUDGET FOR THE WATER SEWER LINE CREW, YOU'LL SEE THOSE ITEMS SPLIT IN HALF, UH, 50% UNDERWATER, 50% UNDER SEWER. UM, A LOT OF THOSE ITEMS, THEY, UM, THINGS THAT THEY CAN USE JOINTLY. UH, WE DO SPLIT BETWEEN THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS. SOLID WASTE REPLACE THE TUB GRINDER. THAT TUB GRINDER WILL COST THE $600,000 TO REPLACE. UM, WE'RE MOST LIKELY LOOKING AT OUTSOURCING THE TUB GRINDING, TUB GRINDING BEING, UH, THE GRINDING OF THE MULCH. UH, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TREES THAT COME IN, THE FREE MULCH. THAT'S WHAT IT'S, UH, IT'S FOR, UM, IT IS AN EXPENSIVE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. UH, BUT, UM, IT'S FREE MULCH, BUT IT'S FREE MULCH, NOT MULCH, BUT YEAH. BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, UH, TO MOST LIKELY OUTSOURCE THAT. UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE HEADING WITH IT. CUZ WE CAN OUTSOURCE A LOT FOR $600,000 IF WE CAN GET 'EM IN HERE A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR. UH, REPLACE THE DUMPSTERS. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME DUMPSTERS THAT WE NEED TO REPLACE $30,000, UM, THIRD YEAR OF FIVE FOR REPLACING THE ASPHALT ROLLER. UM, HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT ONE. YES, SIR. DO WE EVEN DO ASPHALT ANYMORE? UH, IT'S THE, UH, FOR THE ALLEYS, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO DO OURSELVES. SO WE'RE GONNA SPEND, WHAT, $660,000 FOR A ROLLER. I CAN COME BACK WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. WE'VE DONE SOME, I, I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS BEHIND IT. WE TALKED ABOUT IT THREE YEARS AGO, BUT I CAN COME BACK WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. CERTAINLY DOWN RIGHT NOW. AND I'M JUST GONNA ADD WHILE YOU'RE WRITING THAT DOWN, THE FLEET MAINTENANCE AT THE TOP OF THIS, YOU GUYS, IF Y'ALL HAVEN'T DONE YOUR TOWN TOURS YET WITH THE TOWN MANAGER, THAT FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING SAVES THE TOWN SO MUCH MONEY. THOSE GUYS DOWN THERE THAT ARE WELDING, I MEAN, WE COULDN'T BRING IN A FULL-TIME WELDER FOR WHAT THOSE GUYS ARE DOING. SO THAT FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING, I HOPE STAYS A PRIORITY THIS YEAR. CAUSE CERTAINLY IT SAVES US A LOT OF MONEY IN OTHER WAYS. THE, UM, UH, REPLACE THE RUBBER TIRE LOAD NUMBER 6 72 OR 7 62 THERE, UH, 58,500. UH, THAT'S, UH, YEAR ONE OF THREE MOST LIKELY. WE'RE GONNA DEFER THAT. I'M BE UP FRONT WITH YOU NOW. THE, UH, SNOW PLOWER PLACEMENTS. HERE'S TWO OF FOUR $20,000 AND SALT BRYAN MIXER EQUIPMENT. CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE, UM, PROFESSIONAL EQUIPMENT. UH, THEY'RE USING SOMETHING THAT THEY MADE UP. THEY MADE UP LAST YEAR WHILE I WAS DOWN THERE. THEY WERE WELDING AND MAKING SALT MIXERS AND INSTALLING THEM ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCKS. I MEAN, AND JUST THINK ABOUT SALT CONSTANTLY GOING THROUGH 'EM. THEY'RE, IT'S DETERIORATING THEM, BUT IT SAVED US A LOT OF MONEY UNTIL NOW. VEHICLES GOT A LOT OF VEHICLES ON HERE. NOT EVEN, UM, THE AGENCY, THE GIVE SOME AWAY. WHAT'S THAT? DID WE JUST GIVE SOME AWAY ? WE GOT A, A BUCKET TRUCK, DIDN'T WE? YEAH. UH, FLEET MAINTENANCE, UH, 2002 GMC, UH, YEAR TWO OF THREE. WE DID START ACCRUING MONEY FOR THAT THIS YEAR. UM, AND TRYING TO ACCRUE MONEY FOR THAT FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. UH, THAT'S FOR THE ON FLEET MAINTENANCE VEHICLE THAT THEY USED TO GO OUT AND DO THE REPAIRS. AND WE HAVE, UH, FOUR POLICE VEHICLES. UM, AS YOU SEE, ALL THE POLICE VEHICLES HAVE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES ON THEM. UH, TOP ON THERE BEING 161,000 MILES. UH, WE ARE, UH, TRYING TO USE, UH, $12,000 OF MONEY THAT WE CARRIED FORWARD TO TRY TO GO AHEAD AND GET ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES. UM, I NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION WITH CHIEF ON THAT, WHICH JUST REMINDED ME, . UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, THE POLICE VEHICLES ARE THERE, UH, UP THERE. WELL, THE PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND ON THE POLICE VEHICLES, IT MAY BE 161,000 ROAD MILES, BUT HOW MANY MOTOR MILES ARE ON THOSE THINGS? AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT'S WE GOTTA WORRY ABOUT. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. AND WE EXPECTED THIS WHEN THEY CAME UP LAST YEAR. WE DIDN'T REPLACE ANY, I BELIEVE NONE. UM, AND CHIEF WARNED US THAT WE WOULD BE REPLACING ALL A LOT AT ONCE. YES. THE UM, UM, I MEAN IT IS ALSO THEY EXPECTED THIS. IT'S A TESTAMENT TO OUR FLEET MAINTENANCE GUYS TO RUNNING. YES. THAT'S, THEY CAME BEFORE US THAT YEAR, CAME IN AND SAID HE FELT LIKE HE COULD, HE FELT LIKE HE COULD, THAT THEY COULD MAKE IT A LITTLE STRETCH ANOTHER YEAR. AND THEY DID. I'M SURE THERE'S A NUMBER, RIGHT? LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S A NU GO AHEAD. WELL, ME, I WANTED TO SAY ONE OF THE, ONE OF MY DIRECTIVES MOVING FORWARD IS WE NEED A FLEET REPLACEMENT KIND OF PROGRAM. YEAH. SO THAT WE CAN GUIDE. CAUSE WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET, WE'VE KEPT SOME VEHICLES THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE KEPT SOME, RIGHT? WE NEED TO BE ROTATING EVERY SINGLE, WE'RE PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO MAINTENANCE. SO IT'S MY HOPE MOVING FORWARD THAT WE CAN DEVELOP A KIND OF LIKE A FLEET REPLACEMENT PLAN THAT COUNCIL [02:25:01] KIND OF ENDORSES. AND THEN WE JUST APPLY THAT EVERY BUDGET YEAR INSTEAD OF THIS HAVING TO COME UP AND START JOCKEY OF MONEY AROUND FOR THE FLEET. SO YEAH, JUST WANNA LET COUNCIL KNOW WHERE I'M HEADED WITH THAT. NOW, ONE, ONE OF THE, UH, SALES PITCHES, IF YOU WILL, AT THE VML THING, UM, PART OF THEIR, UM, SERVICES WITH PACKAGE IS KIND OF ALLUDED TO THAT. YEAH. ABOUT DOING, UM, WE DISCUSSED THAT LAST YEAR, LIKE ROTATING EVERY BUDGET YEAR. WE SHOULD BE DOING ONE OR TWO EVERY YEAR. SO WE'RE NOT DOING FOUR AND SIX AND EIGHT. YEAH. BUT WE DISCUSSED IT AT OUR RETREAT ACTUALLY. SO, UH, GOING ON DOWN THREE HERE, THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT. SO LOOKING LIKE WE'RE DEFERRING THOSE FOR REPLACEMENT OF A, UH, OF A SERVICE TRUCK WITH UTILITY BED AND THEN AN ADDITION TO THE FLEET FOR A NEW BUCKET TRUCK, LETTING YOU DEFERRING THOSE HORTICULTURE REPLACE THE ONE TON CREW CAB, UH, DUMP TRUCK. UM, YEAR TWO OF THREE. WE'VE ALREADY STARTED CREWING MONEY FOR THAT. UH, AS WELL AS THE WATER SEWER LINE CREW FOR THEIR UTILITY VAN. THIS WOULD BE, UH, YEAR TWO OF TWO. UM, IF YOU SEE THE THEME THERE, ANYTHING WITH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST YEAR ONE. IT'S, WE'RE KIND OF DEFERRING IT AT THIS POINT. MM-HMM. , UM, WATER SEWER LINE CREW, SINGLE AXLE BACK TRUCK, UH, YEAR ONE OF TWO DEFERRING THAT MOST LIKELY SOLID WASTE REFUGE TRUCK. 6 61. UM, THAT IS, UM, ACTUALLY REPLACING A REFUGE TRUCK ITSELF. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE REPLACING IT JUST YET. WE'RE TRYING TO SET THE MONEY ASIDE SO WE CAN GET THE MONEY OR HAVE THE MONEY SET ASIDE FROM WHEN WE NEED THIS VEHICLE HERE IN A COUPLE YEARS. UM, HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE, I REPLACE ANOTHER DUMP TRUCK, YEAR TWO OF TWO FOR $80,000. AND THEN, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE DEFERRING MOST LIKELY FOR ANOTHER SINGLE AXLE DUMP TRUCK AND A 2004 3,500 PICKUP TRUCK, UH, FOR HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE GOING DOWN TO OUR BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES. UM, SO, UM, MOST LIKELY WE'RE DEFERRING THE MODEL OF, UH, 15 NORTH ROYAL WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THERE. UM, A GENERAL PROPERTY PUBLIC WORKS OUTSIDE BUILDING REPAIRS HERE, ONE OF TWO. THIS IS NOT FOR THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING THAT IS ONLY FOR THE OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING. UM, UH, THAT'S DOWN THERE. UH, WHEN YOU GUYS TAKE YOUR TOUR, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE LOOK, PAY ATTENTION TO THE BROWN BUILDINGS. IT'S TO THE RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS MAINLY FOR. UM, WATER TREATMENT PLANT 4 84 H STATION. UPGRADE YOUR TWO OF FOUR, UM, JAMESTOWN PUMP STATION UPGRADE, YEAR ONE OF TWO. UH, THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT FOR THE JAMESTOWN PUMP STATION, BUT WE'RE GONNA, UH, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO THERE. UM, SECURITY UPGRADES FOR THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. AND THEN, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, REPLACE ROTARY FAN PRESS WITH CENTRIFUGE. UH, THIS IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 4.5 MILLION PROJECT. UM, A COUPLE OF YOU GUYS MAY REMEMBER THAT WE DISCUSSED IT. WE HAD THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING DONE ON IT. UH, THE CENTRIFUGE WILL INDEED PAY FOR ITSELF OVER THE COURSE. I BELIEVE ABOUT 10 YEARS IS WHAT THE PAYOUT IS ON IT. CENTRIFUGE WILL BASICALLY A BLOWER OUR, UM, UH, OUR, UM, OPERATING EXPENSES SIGNIFICANTLY. UH, WE'RE GONNA BE PAYING LESS TO HAUL OFF THE, UM, THE WASTE THAT COMES OUT OF THE, UH, PLANT. UM, LESS MAN HOURS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE, UH, THE, UH, ROTARY FAN PRESS, THEY PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO MAN THAT AROUND THE CLOCK AT SOME POINT. UM, BUT, UH, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT, UH, CAPITAL INVESTMENT. WE'VE PUT A, AN APPLICATION INTO, UM, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL ARPA FUNDING, UM, OR RELIEF FUNDING, UH, FOR COVID TO TRY TO HELP OFFSET THAT IF, UH, IT COMES THROUGH. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN TRY TO MOVE THAT FORWARD, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KIND OF DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF BECAUSE IT WILL, IT WILL PAY FOR ITSELF. THAT'S, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. WE HAVE A, A NICE STUDY THAT WAS DONE ON IT. UM, AND THAT IS THE TECHNOLOGY THAT A LOT OF THE PLANTS SEEM TO BE MOVING FORWARD TOO. UM, AND THEN, UH, SALT STORAGE BUILDING YEAR ONE OF TWO. UM, MOST LIKELY DEFERRING THAT TO A FUTURE YEAR AS WELL. AND SHOULD BE ABOUT DONE, SORRY, . THE, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS 14TH AND SHENANDOAH AND TRAFFIC, NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL FOR SIX AND COMMERCE. UH, THOSE WERE, UH, SEED MONEY, UH, MOST LIKELY DEFERRING THOSE, UM, FIBER FOR THE SPRINT SUBSTATION. THOSE WERE JUST UPGRADING THEM, RIGHT? 14TH AND SHENANDOAH? THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. LIKE THE ONE THAT THEY JUST PUT IN BY ANTHONY'S THIS YEAR WHERE THE COURTHOUSES, IT HAS A TURN LANE IN IT NOW IT'S JUST UPDATING THEM TO THOSE TYPE. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD UPDATE IT TO NECESSARILY. I JUST KNOW WE JUST HAVE THE REALLY OLD ONES. INSTEAD OF HAVING LIKE A 14TH AND SHENANDOAH, IT'S A STRING SYSTEM WHERE THEY THING. AND SO THEY'RE GOING WITH A MONO, MONO KIND OF DESIGN WOULD BE WHAT I THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE. BUT I THINK WE WOULD GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES. I THINK WE OUGHT TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT AND THE UPDATED PLAN. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST LETTING PEOPLE HERE NOW AND FOR THE PUBLIC WATCHING. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA FUND TRAFFIC SIGNALS, WE'RE JUST UPGRADING EXISTING [02:30:01] TRAFFIC. YES, YES, YES, YES. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT TRAFFIC. NO. JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS A COUNCIL INITIATIVE YEARS AGO. I THINK YOU WERE ON COUNCIL FOR THE PEDESTRIAN STUFF ON SHENANDOAH. SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT FUNDING STOP LIGHTS, WE'RE JUST NOT UPGRADING THEM. UH, HAPPY CREEK SUBSTATION EXPANSION YEAR TWO OF FIVE, UH, $200,000 MANASSAS SUBSTATION. YEAR THREE OF THREE, $200,000. UH, AMI THIS IS FOR THE, UM, TO GET OUR ELECTRIC METERS TO WHERE UM, UH, HOPEFULLY CITIZENS WILL BE ABLE TO GO ONLINE AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THEIR USAGE REAL TIME. UM, AND THAT'S GONNA SAVE US MONEY TOO, ULTIMATELY, BUT NOT SENDING OUT AS MANY PEOPLE READING THE MEETING. I'M GONNA BE A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY. . GOTCHA. I'M SORRY. NO, I DO BELIEVE THERE IS SAVINGS WITH IMPLEMENTED TECHNOLOGY WITH AMI, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO INCREASE OUR RELIABILITY. OUR, OUR, OUR CUSTOMERS WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT THEY, BEFORE DAVID RETIRED, I WENT DOWN TO THE ELECTRICITY DEPARTMENT AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THAT. CUZ IT IS A VERY EXTENSIVE PROJECT. AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT THE HECK? MY FIRST YEAR ON COUNCIL, WE WERE ON YEAR ONE OF THREE AND DAVID EXPLAINED THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME COST SAVING BENEFITS TO IT. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. SO I REPLACE A, UH, PRESSURE REDUCING VALVE VAULT ON, UM, JAMESTOWN, UH, WATER LINE UPGRADES FOR ROYAL AVENUE AND VIRGINIA AVENUE. THOSE COINCIDE WITH OUR PAVING PLAN. OKAY. . I'M LIKE, WHAT IS THAT BIG NUMBER? THE UH, UM, AND THE, UH, SO YEAH, THOSE ARE COINCIDING WITH OUR PAVING PLAN. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO DIG SOMETHING UP, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA, UH, CAN YOU SMELL IT? THOSE ARE HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. THEY ARE INDEED. IT'S LIKE THE NEGLECTING THE, UH, AND UH, RURAL AVENUE IS, UH, KIND OF MANDATED BY VDOT. THAT'S PART OF OUR VDOT MAINTENANCE MONEY THAT WE'RE RECEIVING. SO THEY'RE SAYING, YOU'VE GOTTA DO THIS STREET AND WELL, WE DON'T WANNA PAVE IT IF WE HAVE, DON'T HAVE THE WATER LINES, UH RIGHT. CAUSE WE'RE GONNA DIG THE PAVING BACK UP. EXACTLY. UH, KENDRICK, UH, AVENUE WATER LINE UPGRADE, UM, THAT IS EXPECTED TO BE DEFERRED FOR $440,000. UM, I AND I ABATEMENT OUTSIDE OF OUR MAJOR PROJECT, UH, $600,000 PROBABLY GONNA, UH, DECREASE THAT SUM TO GIVE US A BALANCED BUDGET. WE DO NEED TO FOCUS ON I AND I. BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY OUR MAJOR PROJECTS WILL, I HOPE, UH, ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT THIS YEAR. KRA THE ROAD SIDEWALK, UH, ROUTE THREE 40 LURAY AVENUE. UM, $190,000 MOST LIKELY THAT'S GONNA BE A DEFERRED ITEM. I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT. UH, THAT ONE. I JUST, THAT ONE'S A TOUGH ONE. YEAH. I JUST BEGAN, WE CAN DISCUSS IT AT A LATER TIME, BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WITH THE COUNTY BUILDING THE SCHOOL AND HOW THEY USE THAT FOR PE LIKE MAYBE WE COULD COME TOGETHER, LIKE THEY BUILT THE SOCCER FIELDS TO PUT, PUT SIDEWALKS IN. SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WERE NEVER PUT IN THERE WHEN THE SCHOOL USES IT. SO THE, UM, YEAH, AND I KNOW IT'S A, THAT'S ONE THAT I'VE BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT. SORRY. I'M LIKE TO SEE IT TOO. BUT I MEAN, WE'VE GOTTA, YOU KNOW, TRY TO FIGURE, THAT'S ALSO A, PROBABLY A HIGHLY INFLATED COST DUE TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND SUPPLIES RIGHT NOW COMPARED TO WHERE IT WAS. WE HAVE A, A SPECIAL MEETING WEDNESDAY JUST TO FIND CONCRETE. CONCRETE. RIGHT. AND SUPPOSE THE, UM, PROSPECT, UH, STREET BRIDGE REHABILITATION, UM, PROSPECT BRIDGE HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS. WE NEEDED, UH, $600,000 TO COUNTY TO GET THAT, UH, MOVING. THANK YOU FOR KEEPING IT ON THERE. MM-HMM. . YEAH. UM, SO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING YES. UH, IT IS INDEED. UM, THE, UH, THE PRIMARY PAVING FOR, UH, COMMERCE AVENUE FROM UH, SECOND TO SIX, UH, PRIMARY PAVING ON COMMERCE FROM SIX TO NORTH ROYAL. SO YOU SEE THOSE NUMBERS, 164,000, 136,000 AND THE PRIMARY PAVING OF NORTH FOR ROYAL FROM COMMERCE TO E 634,000. THOSE ARE JUST FOR THE PRIMARY PAVING PLANS THAT, YOU KNOW, V I IS PRETTY WELL TELLING US, HEY, YOU NEED TO DO THESE. UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S NOT EVEN TAKING OUR SECONDARY PAVING PLAN INTO ACCOUNT OF $1.7 MILLION. UM, SO JOE WOULD, BJ, WHILE I'M THINKING ABOUT IT, WE HAD A CONSTITUENT COME TO, I THINK IT WAS OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING MM-HMM. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT CREER ROAD, SIDEWALK THREE 40 TO LARAY AVENUE. THERE IS STATE OR FEDERAL OWNED PROPERTY THAT MEETS IT AS WELL. AND SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAYBE REACHING OUT TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO CONTRIBUTE SOME TOWARDS IT OR SOMETHING. WANTED THE SAME GUY THAT CAME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH, IT WAS MM-HMM. . OKAY. I REMEMBER HIM. I CAN, WE ACTUALLY, I JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE THAT THOUGHT. IF WE COULD GET, CONTRIBUTE SOME TOWARDS IT. AGAIN, MAKE A SHOT, ISN'T IT? LIKE I HAVEN'T READ IT. HE'S BEEN TO A COUPLE MEETINGS. I AGREE. LET ME GET BACK ON THAT. YEAH. JUST SO YOU CAN KEEP THAT NATIONAL PARK ON. YES. THAT'S WHO IT'S NATIONAL, FEDERAL AND I, AND HONESTLY, LET ME, LET ME GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT. CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF I DON'T THINK THE ENTIRE BURDEN YEAH. OR WHAT, BUT IT'S WAS A CONCERN ALWAYS, CUZ WE GOT IT ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE THE ACCESS ROAD IS FROM SCHOOL. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, HIGH SCHOOL. I SEE IT EVERY DAY WHERE SOMEBODY IS WALKING ALONGSIDE [02:35:01] THE ROAD THERE. YOU'RE RIGHT. SOMEWHERE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL KIDS TO HIGH SCHOOL KIDS MEET FOR THE BUS EXCHANGE. BUT I THINK WHEN THEY, HE SAID THAT I TOOK NOTES A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND IT'S FEDERAL. WE CAN GET FEDERAL DOLLARS TO CONTRIBUTE. GET IT ANYWAYS. SORRY. EVEN CRIMINAL EVEN OFFERED, UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, COULD THEY FORM LIKE A COMMITTEE OF LIKE LOBBY INVESTIGATING IT TO TRY TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, LOBBY FOR MORE MONEY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT GO AHEAD BJ. I'M SORRY. OKAY, SO FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING, UH, UH, 20 YEAR LOAN FOR $275,000. WE'LL HAVE BETTER FIGURES ON THAT HERE WITHIN THE MONTH OBVIOUSLY, CUZ WE HAVE OUR SOLICITATION OUT TO SEE HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO, UH, COST US, UH, WITH THE PRICE, WITH A RATE OF INTEREST RATES CURRENTLY. UM, YEAH, , BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A CUTE NUMBER. . YEAH. I'LL, I'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL WITH AN UPDATED NUMBER ON THAT ONE. UH, AND THEN, UH, THE LAST ONE THERE IS THE REPAYMENT OF ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT ACCESS GRANT FOR THE WEST MAIN CONNECTOR. YEAR 2 0 3. UM, HERE, UH, NOT, UH, THIS ONE YEAR, UH, WE WILL HAVE TO REPAY V $650,000 UNLESS THE CAPITAL OUTLAY REQUIREMENTS ARE MEET MET FOR RURAL PHOENIX, UH, SITE. UM, SO WE'RE STARTING TO THAT'S PAINFUL. SET THAT MONEY ASIDE FOR THAT. UM, YEAH. UM, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY IT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. , IF THERE'S ANY MORE. THAT'S A LOT. UH, IT'S JUST MAINLY TO GET COUNSEL. THANK YOU. AND, AND IT MAY BE THAT YOU, IT MAY BE THAT YOU DIGEST A LOT OF THIS AND ASK, YOU KNOW, AND ASK BJ A QUESTION, BUT BRUCE HAS A QUESTION RIGHT NOW. WELL, NO, I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, UH, THE MENTION OF THE WEST MAIN CONNECTOR, IT BRINGS THE BELL ABOUT THE PARK DOWN THERE, THE SKATE PARK. THERE'S NO, FROM THE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE MCCARTY PROPERTY WAS. MM-HMM. , THERE'S NO, THEY WERE WALKING IN THE ROAD. SO IF YOU'RE WALKING IN THE ROAD TO, TO UH, PARK, UH, KIDS USE THAT ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? YEAH. MM-HMM. , THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROAD. MM-HMM. . THAT'S VERY TRUE. I'LL LET YOU KNOW THERE'S, THAT'S A DANGEROUS, THERE'S A COUPLE PLACES AT ANOTHER HUGE CONCERN. MINE, MINE IS AS ROADS. THE KIDS WALK FROM THE TRAILER PARK TO AS ROADS WITH NO SIDEWALK THERE. NO. UM, SO SIDEWALKS HAS LIKE REALLY BEEN BANGING MY HEAD OF LIKE HOW WE GOT HERE. BUT AGAIN, DOWN IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY, THEY USE COMBINATION, UH, WALKING PATH, BIKE PASS, UH, THEY'RE LIKE MCC TYPE OF PASS. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE UH, AN OPTION. AN OPTION, A CHEAPER OPTION TO EXPLORE. TO EXPLORE. SO THANK YOU. I'M SURE WE'LL BE COMING BACK AND TELLING YOU. I'M SURE WE DEMAND AFTER OUR RETREAT. YOU SURE WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS A LOT MORE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR DETAILED, UM, PRESENTATION. MICHELLE, WE ARE ON FOUR AND YOU HAVE A D N C AND YOURS PROBABLY WON'T TAKE, IT WON'T TWO MINUTES. I PROMISE YOU IT WON'T TAKE YOU AS LONG AS BJ'S. PROBABLY ABOUT TWO MINUTES AND ONLY CUZ I SAW THIS IN THE DEPARTMENT IN VENUS. SO MAYBE IT'S WHAT SEEMS REAL, YOUR BUT ACTUALLY WE ONLY HAVE, UH, A C BECAUSE, UM, UH, WE LINE ALL B . OKAY. UH, SO THE FIRST ITEM IS, UM, FOR THE PURCHASE OF, UM, A CABIN CHASSIS FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. UM, AND WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH, UH, THE VSA, VIRGINIA SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION TO, TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THIS VEHICLE. AND THE MONEY HAS BEEN, UM, BUDGETED AND IS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE MOTOR VEHICLE, UM, BUDGET. SO THAT WAS FOR THE CABIN CHASSIS. UM, THAT WAS $91,000. AND ACTUALLY THIS STAINLESS STEEL DUMP BED BODY GOES ALONG WITH THAT. UH, AND WE HAVE BUDGETED 30,000 FOR THAT. UH, SO IF THAT'S ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE ENOUGH PROBABLY, BUT UH, IF IT'S NOT, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND REVIEW AND BJ'S GONNA SEE WHERE WE CAN FIND THE MONEY. , BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A NUMBER BESIDE IT LIKE THAT. OR AT LEAST ON OUR AGENDA, JUST THE HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE MOTOR VEHICLES. IT'S GOT THE LINE ITEM, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THE AMOUNT. IS THAT CAUSE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE SOLICITATION IS OUT. IT DOESN'T YEAH. WE HAVEN'T GOT IT BACK YET. GOTCHA. IT CLOSES HERE THIS WEEK. THAT CLOSES THIS WEEK. RIGHT. BUT YOU'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING IT TO US. OH, WE'RE GONNA REQUEST COUNSEL TO APPROVE IT ON JANUARY 23RD, CORRECT? MM-HMM. , UH, THE CHASSIS AND THE, AND THE BID. RIGHT. AND THE AMOUNT WILL BE IN OUR AGENDA. BE IN YOUR AGENDA BEFORE 23RD. YEAH. SO, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT B, WHICH IS THE THERMOPLASTIC PAYMENT B AND THE MARKINGS, WE'RE NOT READY TO TALK ABOUT THAT YET. YEAH, WE WON'T HAVE THAT BACK IN TIME. OKAY. FOR THE 23RD. SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A FEBRUARY WORK SESSION. MM-HMM. . YEAH. OKAY. [02:40:02] I KNOW PEOPLE ARE ANXIOUS TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CAB AND CHASSIS OR THE, UH, THE, WHAT'S THE SS STAND FOR? STAINLESS STEEL. GOTCHA. STAINLESS STEEL DUMP BED BODY. THANK YOU. SHE SPELLED OUT. NO, NO. I, I LIKE TO LEARN. SO THAT WAS GOOD. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? NO. OKAY. NO, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. YOU WERE FAST. WE SAT HERE ALL NIGHT FOR JUST THAT, JUST FOR THAT BIRTHDAY. IT WAS SO EXCITING. NOW. OKAY. FIVE. WE'VE ALREADY DONE MOVING RIGHT ALONG. OKAY. UM, NUMBER SIX. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, THESE ARE THE VARIOUS APPOINTMENTS. SO WE HAVE VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMITTEES THAT ARE, ARE PART OF COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE REPRESENTATION ON THOSE COMMITTEES. UM, AND YOU GOTTA SEE THE FOUR THAT ARE ON THERE, UM, THAT ARE LISTED. AND, UM, I, I'VE, WE WOULD BE MAKING THAT APPOINTMENT ON JANUARY 23RD. AND SO LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THOSE. HOW ABOUT THE NORTHERN? SO I KNOW THAT THE ADULT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, WE NEED TWO MEMBERS. UM, COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN THAT AND SHE ACTUALLY SERVED ON THAT LAST YEAR. SO THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD, UM, THAT'S A GOOD FIT FOR HER. UH, SINCE THAT ONE OR WE ALREADY HAVE ONE. ANYBODY ELSE INTERESTED IN THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE? WANT EVERYBODY JUMP SAY IT TAKES TWO , IT TAKES TWO FOR THAT ONE, BUT, ALL RIGHT, WELL LET'S GO TO THE OTHER ONES. MAYBE YOU'LL, MAYBE SOMEBODY WILL COME BACK TO THAT ONE. NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO WORK. SORRY. UM, AND THEN THE NORTH, SO WE HAVE THE NORTHERN CHANDO VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, UM, AND COUNTS, UH, THOMPSON, FORMER COUNCILMAN THOMPSON FULFILLED THIS ROLE. UM, AND THE NON-ELECTIVE REPRESENTATIVE IS PLAY DIRECTOR LAUREN. I THINK LAUREN'S CALLED LAUREN. DO YOU WANT, DO, DO YOU JUST HAVE IT, COULD YOU TELL THEM LIKE WHAT THAT TIME COMMITMENT LOOKS LIKE FOR THAT COMMITTEE? DO YOU KNOW YOU LIKE, I KNOW MAYBE ONCE A MONTH OR ONCE EVERY OTHER MONTH. IT'S, IT'S NOT A LOT. OKAY. AND IS IT SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO SHOW UP TO SOMETHING IN PERSON OR IS IT ALL VIRTUAL? NO, I MEAN, YOU SHOW UP. IT'S, IT'S ONE MEETING ONCE. AND WHERE IS IT'S AT? UM, IT'S ON KENDRICK LANE AT THE WHAT I THINK YOU SHOULD. OKAY, GOTCHA. OKAY. UM, SO THAT ONE'S AVAILABLE. SURE. YOU'RE OKAY. I GOTTA TAKE HER. THANK YOU. RIGHT. SO UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS IT, I'LL, ANYBODY WANTS TO FIGHT SKIP FOR THAT. I'LL, YEAH, I HAD TO FIGHT FOR US SPOT LAST YEAR. ALL RIGHT. SO, SO COUNCILMAN ROGERS IS INTERESTED IN THAT ONE. MISS, MISS PRESLEY, YOU'RE GETTING ALL THIS DOWN FOR ME, RIGHT? THANK YOU. UM, OKAY, THE OTHER ONE IS THE DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL BOARD. UM, AND UM, I LIKE THAT ONE. THAT'S A TIME COMMITMENT BOARD. YES. THAT I'D LIKE THAT. YES. DO WANT THAT ONE. SO, WELL, I WILL TALK. I WAS LIKE, I'M NOT VOLUNTEERING. SO YEAH, THAT ONE, UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES AND, AND THINGS CAN CHANGE, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT MEETS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVERY WEEK, BUT IT'S AT LEAST, IT'S LIKE IT'S THE LARGEST TIME COMMITMENT OUT OF ALL THESE FOUR. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE LARGEST TIME COMMITMENT. DEFINITELY. AND WE HAD A LOT OF BUSINESS DAY MEETINGS. I WASN'T ONE, I JUST ACCOMPANIED KYLE TOLD MS. THOMPSON CAUSE SHE WAS ON HER WAY OUT WORKS WORKS FOR ME. BUT IF IT'S A DAY, I MEAN I EVEN WORKS. YEAH. LIKE, I MEAN WE, IT'S USUALLY LIKE AFTER, UM, DID UM, MEET MR. WALTZ? YOU HAVEN'T HAD TO YOU I HAVE NOT, DON'T BEEN ABLE TO. YEAH. BUT THAT, THAT ONE I'M PRETTY SURE WAS LIKE A THREE O'CLOCK ISH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHICH THE LAST ONE I SAID WAS A 3:00 PM WHICH DID MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING. I'M NOT SAYING THEY'LL KEEP IT AT THREE. YEAH, BECAUSE I EVEN HAD SAID, BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAD ASKED ME WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE LATASHA'S PLACE ON THAT? AND UM, I WAS ASKED TOO AS WELL. BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT I WOULD BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THEY TRY TO MOVE THE TIME AT ANY TIME AT ALL, THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN A CHALLENGE. YEAH. BUT COUNCILMAN ROGERS, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED YES MA'AM. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE AT THE FIGHT FOR THAT ONE. YEAH, I MEAN I, I WOULD DO IF I COULD, BUT ANYWAY, SO, SO WE MIGHT WANNA COME BACK CUZ MAYBE YOU, I MEAN WE MIGHT WANNA SHARE THE WEALTH WITH THAT FIRST COMMITTEE THAT YOU VOLUNTEERED FOR, BUT, ALL RIGHT. THE SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE. I WILL TELL YOU I'VE BEEN WAITING MY TURN TO BE ON THAT ME AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE I DON'T GET TO BE, UM, CUZ THE MAYOR CAN'T BE ON THESE COMMITTEES. IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? PROBABLY NOT. I DON'T KNOW ANYWAY INTO THAT. WELL I'M INTERESTED. I THINK IT'S AN EMAIL. I MIGHT COME ANYWAY AND, AND GIVE SOME INPUT BUT, UH, NOBODY LAWYERS EVER ASKED TO BE. [02:45:01] YEAH. YEAH. UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE. AND WE DO, WE DO, THERE HAS TO BE TWO AND THAT'S WHY I SAY I MIGHT ASSIST WITH THAT CUZ I KNOW LAST YEAR THEY HAD, UM, BECAUSE THAT COMMITTEE EVALUATES ALL THE SCHOLARSHIP APPLICATIONS, UM, AND DETERMINES WHO EARN THOSE. NOW AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA BE GIVEN THREE THIS YEAR. I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO COMMIT TO KEEPING THOSE THREE. UM, CUZ WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THAT WORKS. UM, COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST. IS ANYBODY ELSE INTERESTED IN THAT ONE? WE NEED AT LEAST TWO. I DO. YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED? YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? SO COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS AND COUNCILMAN INGRAM ARE GOING TO DO THE SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE AND SKIP YOUR INTEREST IN THE DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL BOARD. YES MA'AM. UM, AMBER IS INTERESTED IN THE AUDIT FINANCE COMMITTEE, BUT IF WE NEED ANOTHER, UM, SO BRUCE, YOU WHAT'S THE TIME COMMITMENT AUDIT FINANCE COMMITTEE? WE MEET TWICE IN A YEAR. , SO JUST DURING BUDGET SEASON, TWICE I'LL, AND DEFINITELY IN OCTOBER, I BELIEVE IS WHEN IT WAS IN, THAT'S WHEN WE CAME. YEAH, I SERVED ON IT THE FIRST YEAR. SO OCTOBER, NOVEMBER WE SIT DOWN WITH THE AUDITOR END OF THE YEAR. AND HE, SO YOU'RE OKAY. AND THEY ALSO, I KNOW THAT PARTICULAR ONE DON'T, IT'S USUALLY BEFORE A WORK SESSION OR BEFORE A MEETING FOR THAT PART. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'D HAVE TO GET HERE AT A DIFFERENT TIME. SO, UM, ALL RIGHT. YOU DO HAVE TO COME DURING THE DAY TO MEET WITH THE AUDITOR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BUT AS LONG AS BUT YOU'D KNOW WELL ENOUGH. YEAH. YEAH. YOU'D KNOW WELL ENOUGH. WE DID THAT IN THE LATE APP ALL. SO WE GOT THE TWO FOR THAT. WE GOT THE TWO FOR THE SCHOLARSHIP. WE HAVE ONE CUZ IT'S ONLY ONE. WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED BECAUSE LIZZIE STAFF AND ONE COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THAT ONE. AND BY THE WAY, YOU'RE NON-VOTING MEMBERS. IT'S VERY INTERESTING. UM, YOU'RE JUST CHECK REPRESENT THE TOWN. UM, AND THEN, UH, THE, YES, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE EVERYBODY. NOW I JUST WANNA SAY WAYNE, DID YOU, DID YOU SINCE SKIP VOLUNTEERED FOR SOMETHING ELSE? DID YOU WANNA DO THE NORTHERN SHE VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION? NO PRESSURE. UM, SURE YOU DON'T HAVE TO I WAS JUST SAYING SKIP, SKIP VOLUNTEERED. I'M SAYING SINCE SKIP'S DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT NO, I'LL TAKE IT. YEAH. AND KEEP, IT'S GONNA HAVE HIS HANDS FULL WITH HIS MOTHER . YES. SINCE HE'S GOT, CUZ THAT, THAT ONE IS GONNA BE, I'M NOT TRYING TO DISCOURAGE YOU. I'M JUST SAYING THAT NATASHA. NO, I INTRODUCED HIM TO IT BEFORE. I, IT'S, IT'S GOT A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A A TIME COMMITMENT WITH THAT. UM, AND IT'S IMPORTANT. SO THAT'S GOOD. UM, IT IS IMPORTANT AND WE WILL EVENTUALLY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER TOO, SO, SO IF ANYBODY FEELS LIKE AFTER THEY GET IN, THEY GO HOME AND THEY GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WAS REALLY THE RIGHT FIT FOR ME. JUST LET ME KNOW BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE THE NEW PERSON TO IT TOO. . ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS THE LIAISON AGENDA ITEM. SO, UM, THE LIAISON TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HAVING THOSE ONCE A QUARTER. I WILL TELL YOU, DURING THE TIME OF COVID, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KIND OF SLACKED OFF ON THAT. WE WEREN'T MEETING AS MUCH. UM, BUT WE HAVE TRIED, I'D SAY PROBABLY IN THE LAST YEAR, DEFINITELY IN THE LAST THREE TO FOUR QUARTER, WE, UM, I KNOW LAST SPRING, SUMMER FALL WE, WE GOT BACK INTO THE HABIT OF IT. SO WE WILL BE MEETING ON JANUARY 19TH HERE. UM, THE TOWN IS GONNA BE HOSTING THAT ONE AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ITEMS THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION. IT SAYS TO THEIR CLERK BY JANUARY 4TH, WE'VE ALREADY MISSED JANUARY 4TH. NO, THE COUNTY WAS ASKED FOR THEIR ITEMS. SORRY, SORRY, SORRY, SORRY, SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. I LOOKED AT THAT LAST NIGHT. SO WE, WE, ASH AND I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE DATE. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHO SCHEDULED IT, BUT WE WERE PLANNING TO GO TO RICHMOND FOR LEGISLATIVE DAY THAT WE WERE ALL INVITED TO THROUGH VML. MM-HMM. . SO THE PLANNING OF THAT DATE IS KIND OF STINKS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT REPRESENTATIVES OF THEIRS ARE PLANNING TO GO EITHER. MM-HMM. , UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALL INVITED BACK TO RICHMOND THE 19TH AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT DAY. I GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT'S A LOT EARLIER THAN WHAT IT WAS CUZ LAST YEAR WAS IN FEBRUARY. I REMEMBER IT WAS FEBRUARY. WELL IT'S ALIGNED WITH LOBBY DAY THIS YEAR. RIGHT. SO, UM, I WENT DOWN LAST YEAR ON JANUARY 19TH TOO, AND WATCHED THE FIRST DAY OF SESSION IN THE HOUSE, TOOK MY KIDS. BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING TO ATTEND. I MEAN, FOR ALL I ATTENDED LAST YEAR AND I DID NOT FIND IT THAT HELPFUL. AND, AND, AND I'M JUST GONNA BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU BECAUSE THE IDEA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WE WOULD HEAR WHAT THEY MIGHT BE VOTING ON AND THAT YOU COULD GO AND TALK TO YOUR REPRESENTATIVES. WELL WHAT HAPPENED IS THE PLACE WAS PACKED CUZ EVERYBODY WAS [02:50:01] THERE AND THE REPRESENTATIVES WEREN'T, THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TIME REALLY TO, TO, TO MEET WITH YOU. AND SOMEBODY HAD EVEN SAID, YOU KNOW, MUST BE BETTER OFF TO GO ON A DIFFERENT DAY TO, TO MEET WITH THEM. BUT THE BEAUTY OF IT IS YOU GET TO HEAR VLS LIKE THIS IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT. THE COUNTY GOES TOO. SO, SO VACO TALKS ABOUT THEIR THINGS, VML TALKS ABOUT THEIR THINGS, BUT WE CAN SCHEDULE A LOT OF PROMINENT THINGS COMING UP THIS YEAR. SO WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM VML, I WENT LAST YEAR AND LAST YEAR I GOT TO RUN INTO WIN SOME SEARS IN THE CHAMBERS. MM-HMM. , I MET WITH TODD GILBERT. UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT WAS LOTS OF YOU, YOU ACTUALLY WENT A DIFFERENT DAY THAN LOCAL GOVERNMENT DAY? CAUSE NO, WE WENT AND STAYED. YEAH. YOU WENT, I DIDN'T GO ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN. I TOOK MY KIDS. RIGHT. AND THEY LEARNED, BUT I'M SAYING YOU WENT ON A DAY WHERE THE REST OF THE WORLD WASN'T THERE. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT DAY. NO, WE WENT LOCAL GOVERNMENT DAY. I JUST DIDN'T ATTEND ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN FOR VMO. SO WE WENT TO THE POCAHONTAS ROOM AND DID THE TOUR OF ALL THAT AND THEN SAT AND WATCHED THE FIRST SESSION ON THE, IN THE HOUSE CHAMBERS FOR THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE REPRESENTATIVES. BUT I MEAN, IF THERE'S NOT A LARGE INTEREST, I THINK JOSH WAS INTERESTED IN GOING, I WAS INTERESTED IN GOING, I DON'T KNOW. I, I'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE LIAISON IF, IF THAT'S AVAILABLE. OKAY. YEAH. ON THE, ON THE 19TH YOU MEAN? YEAH. YEAH. HERE'S THE THING IS, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS. WE'RE ALREADY MEETING THE 17TH. YEAH. WE'RE, HERE'S THE 19TH. IF WE PUSH OFF THE LIAISON MEETING TO THE 26TH, WHICH WE COULD, BUT I BELIEVE SEVERAL OF US ARE ALREADY INVOLVED WITH THE MEETING ON THAT NIGHT AS WELL. THEN IF WE PUSHED IT INTO LIKE THE FIRST WEEK OF FEBRUARY, WHICH DURING THE OPEN, I WAS GONNA MENTION THIS, I'M HOPING BY THE BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY WE CAN HAVE A RETREAT. SO, UM, AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE RETREAT, IF WE TALKED ABOUT THE LATEST LIAISON. YES. THE COUNTY ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT THE 19TH. OKAY. SO THE, THE TWO CLERKS HAVE BEEN TALKING MM-HMM. . SO THE 19TH HAS ALREADY BEEN SCHEDULED FOR THE LIAISON. I HAVEN'T HAD ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNTY NOT TO CANCEL IT. THE, THE ONE THING TO REMEMBER IS, IS THAT IT'S SET ON THE THIRD THURSDAY OF THE FIRST QUARTER OF EVERY MONTH. SO THAT'S WHY THIS CONFLICT, HOW IT FELT LIKE THAT CONFLICT CAME IN, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A STANDING THIRD THURSDAY OF THE FIRST QUARTER. YEAH. SECOND QUARTER. SO, WELL, YEAH. I'M NOT ASKING TO PICK ONE OVER THE OTHER. I'VE WAITED MY TURN FOR 14 MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE TO THE LIAISON MEETING. UM, I JUST, IT'S BOTH THINGS ARE IMPORTANT. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT VML DISCUSSED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, YOU KNOW, ARE VAPE SHOPS, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BLIGHTED BUILDINGS. SO IT'S ALL THE HOT TOPICS OF THIS COUNCIL'S ALSO EAGER AND INTERESTED IN. BUT TO LORI'S POINT, THE RETREAT, UM, NOBODY HERE HAS GOT TO BE INVOLVED IN A COUNCIL RETREAT YET. IT'S WHERE WE GO AND WE COME TOGETHER AND WE FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR MOTIVES AND INITIATIVES FOR THIS YEAR ARE. AND SO IT WOULD REALLY BE HELPFUL TO HA WE HAD NONE OF US, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVER ALL MET AROUND THE TABLE TOGETHER, SO WE DON'T, I FEEL LIKE, HAVE A CLEAR CONSENSUS ON AN AGENDA AS A RESULT, WE CAN ALL THROW THINGS OUT THERE. BUT YOU MEAN FOR THE LIAISON MEETING? CORRECT. RIGHT. GOTCHA. UM, YEAH, THEY, THERE WERE SOME SUGGESTIONS BY STAFF FOR THAT NIGHT, WHICH IS, UM, YEAH, WHEN I READ, REVIEW THE MOU FOR USE OF THE BOARD MEETING ROOM, I FEEL LIKE WE COULD HAVE A TOURISM UPDATE BY THEN AS WELL, WHICH IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON. UM, SO THE TWO THINGS SUGGESTED BY THE STAFF WERE TO REVIEW THE MOU FOR USE OF THE BOARD MEETING ROOM. AND I GUESS BECAUSE THERE WAS A NIGHT WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ASKED TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION, UM, AND HAVING BEEN ON THE PLANE COMMISSION, SO THAT WAS YOUR ALL'S REGULARLY SCHEDULED NIGHT, AND THEN SOMEBODY ASKED YOU TO MOVE, DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY ASKED Y'ALL TO MOVE? DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY ASKED Y'ALL TO MOVE? I RECALL JUST HAVING ONE REGULAR THAT WAS, UM, WAS THAT NOVEMBER? WE HAD, WE HAD A, IN NOVEMBER YOU WERE MEETING DOWN, WERE YOU MEETING DOWN? WE HAD, WE HAD A, WE ACTUALLY HAD A REGULAR MEETING HERE. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THERE'S, SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TOLD. SORRY, MR. MERCHANT, WE'RE GONNA ASK HIM AS CHAIRMAN OF THE PLAN SPECIAL MEETING. SO YOU ALL WERE ASKED TO MOVE OUT OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT BUILDING TO HAVE IT HERE, BUT DO YOU KNOW WHY? WAS THERE A DIFFERENT MEETING, SOMETHING SCHEDULED? THEY HAD ANOTHER, YEAH, IT WAS JUST A SCHEDULED COMPLEXION, I REMEMBER. OKAY. THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I THINK NEEDED THE ROOM, SO WE HAD TO HAVE OUR MEETING HERE. OKAY. BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SAYING MAYBE WE NEED TO REVIEW THIS MOU BECAUSE I THINK THE MOU BETWEEN THE TWO SETS UP THE DATES OF THE MEETINGS, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. MAYBE WE SHOULD REVIEW IT AGAIN TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. I GUESS. DOES THAT SOUND, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT THE, I FIGURED I'M READING BETWEEN THE LINES HERE. AND THAT'S WHAT, AND THEN REVIEW THE POLICY TO ALLOW FOR ANY UPDATES THAT MAY BE NECESSARY. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU DO EVERY JANUARY [02:55:01] BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT NEW PEOPLE COMING ON. YEAH. SO WE JUST REVIEW THE POLICY ITSELF, MEANING THE POLICY FOR THE TOWN COUNTY LEASE LIAISON. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO LOOKING AT THE LAST ONE. GO AHEAD. SO WHAT ARE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR TOPICS NOW? CORRECT. MM-HMM. , WE HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO. SO YOU'RE GONNA GO AROUND THE TABLE AND ASK YEP. SO UNDERSTAND WE, SO WE HAVE TO, WE'LL SET THE AGENDA THAT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO THEM TODAY. GOT IT. YEAH. OKAY. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY DECIDE, THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THEY THINK WE NEED TO BE DISCUSSING BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY. AND WE DISCUSS WHAT WE THINK WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY. AND I, I KNOW I MENTIONED THIS TO Y'ALL BEFORE. SO THE MAYOR AND THE CHAIRMAN HAVE THE FLOOR TO SPEAK. ONE TOWN COUNCIL MEMBER AND ONE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR'S MEMBER. NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, UM, UH, FORMER CHAIRMAN COLORS AND MYSELF, WE TALKED ABOUT REALLY EVERYBODY SHOULD BE INVITED. IN THE PAST IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON. BUT BECAUSE WE ADVERTISE IT, WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM. UM, IT'S JUST THOSE TWO PEOPLE ARE THE SPEAKERS. BUT IN QUITE HONESTLY, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A MEETING WHERE IF I HAD A QUESTION SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE, THEY DIDN'T LET ME. AND I BELIEVE YOU WENT TO ONE. YEAH. YOU WERE SITTING WITH ME TOO. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. AND YOU HAD TOO, WE OTHERS OF US. AND I THINK THERE IS A COURTESY IF SOMEONE FROM THE AUDIENCE ABSOLUTELY WANTS TO SPEAK. WELL, WHAT HAPPENED IS, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN TOWN AND COUNTY AND, UM, AND WE DECIDED THAT HAVING EVERYBODY THERE INSTEAD OF ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON, AND THEN THAT PERSON GOES BACK AND TELLS YOU WHAT WAS HAPPENING, IT WAS LIKE, HAVE EVERYBODY, WE SHOULD ALL BE THERE WATCHING. UM, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, JUST HAVING ONE SPEAKER. SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT'S SET UP. BRUCE, UM, AND ALL OF Y'ALL, SO WHAT, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO ADD? I WILL TELL YOU THE LAST MEETING. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE ON THERE THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE REVISITED. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY ITEMS FROM MCKINLEY YET, BUT SHE WILL BE SENDING THOSE OVER. OKAY. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO ADD? I'D LIKE A WATER CAPACITY UPDATE FOR THAT STUDY. I THINK CHERYL HAD SAID AT OUR LAST ONE THEY WERE EXPECTING SOMETHING BACK. OKAY. RIGHT. UH, COMP PLAN UPDATE, DEFINITELY. YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY SO WE CAN PRESENT ON OURS AND THEY CAN TALK ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE AND YOUR AGENDAS AND YOUR IPADS. IF YOU LOOK, WE CAN CROSS NUMBER FIVE OFF THE LIST. THIS WAS EFFECTIVE GOVERNING BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY. UM, IF YOU GUYS NOTICED THAT COUNCILMAN JACKSON AND COUNCILWOMAN LATASHA, UM, THEY WERE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE COST AND THE YOUTH, AND THEY HAVE LOWERED PRICES ACROSS THE BOARD FOR PARKS AND REC AND YOUTH PROGRAMS. THEY ARE NOT MAKING ANY PROFIT. THEY LOWERED EVERYTHING TO INCLUDE ADMISSION INTO THE TOWN POOL THIS YEAR. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT ANYMORE. IT'S MADE CHANGE . WELL, NOT SURE IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BEGIN TO BE A, A DISCUSSION ON WHETHER IT'S A BRIDGE. WE HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE RAILROAD TRACK AND FIRE NUMBER SEVEN ON SHENANDOAH SHORES. SO IN OCTOBER ON THE AGENDA WAS THE ALTERNATIVE ACCESS TO SHENDO SHORES ROAD. OKAY. OKAY. AND MARY'S SHADY LANE. NOW WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA AGAIN. HOWEVER, I'M ONLY GONNA SAY THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS WE CAN BRING IT UP, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN. YEAH. BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW INFORMATION OR NEW IDEAS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND MAYBE PEOPLE WILL BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, IT'S A PROBLEM. WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE HOW TO ADDRESS IT, BUT MAYBE BRINGING IT UP AGAIN. WELL, YEAH. AND MY, MY, THERE WAS TALK OF PUTTING A CONNECTOR ROAD THAT'S RIGHT THERE. WE DISCUSSED THAT AT THE LIAISON GETTING FRONT OF BEING CROSBY STADIUM. YEAH. YEP. MM-HMM. TAKING PART FIRE DEPARTMENT CARNIVAL LOT AND GOING DOWN YEP. TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE TRACKS ALL THE WAY TO THE SHADY LANE AND DOWN TO SHAND SHORE. MSI, YOU CROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKING END OF THAT. SO I'M, I'M GONNA ACTUALLY ASK MS. KOPECKI BECAUSE SHE IS AWARE OF THAT CONNECTOR ROAD AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT ON MEETING IN THE EXPENSE OF IT. SO WHAT YEAH, GO AHEAD. , RIGHT NOW, UM, THERE'S A REZONING THAT'LL BE COMING FOR YOU HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH. UM, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS PUBLIC HEARING GOES, YOU COULD BE LOOKING AT A FIVE AND A HALF ACRE DEDICATION FOR A FLYOVER WITH THIS REZONING. UM, IT WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE US A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF MM-HMM. LAND FOR THIS. UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A, PROBABLY A BASE COST ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 50 MILLION. 62 WAS WHAT THEY SAID. THE LAST IS THAT IT, AND EXCUSE ME, WHERE DID THAT ITEM A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WITH THE FLYOVER [03:00:01] AND THE COST? AND, AND WE DEAL WITH THIS HERE FREQUENTLY, I THINK WHERE WE PUSH THINGS OUT, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND MAYBE FOR GOOD REASON, BUT WHEN WE REVISIT, THE COST IS DOUBLED. RIGHT? AND SO AT SOME TI AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO BITE THE BULLET ON SOME THINGS. I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO DO THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, COST IS GONNA BE ONE THING. IT'S ALWAYS, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. AND AT SOME POINT, IF THERE'S GONNA BE DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE, HE'S GOING TO SAY, RIGHT. I THINK THE CONVERSATION ENDED WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW MUCH OF EACH PORTION. BECAUSE VDO SHOULD CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING TO IT. I MEAN, IT SHOULDN'T JUST BE THE TOWN OF, BUT ALSO IN THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY. BUT ALSO MUCH TO MY FRUSTRATION AND MY TIME ON COUNCIL, WE KEEP HEARING THIS. WELL, IF YOU DEVELOP IT, THEN WE'LL CONSIDER IT. AND THEN, SO IT'S LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE A CRISIS OUT THERE MM-HMM. . SO WHY ADD MORE BEFORE THERE IS DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES ON AND ANYTHING HAPPENS, GOD FORBID, LIKE IT DID A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND THE TRAIN SAT FOR FOUR AND A HALF HOURS AND THE FIRE CHIEF OUT, THERE'S WIFE COULDN'T GET TO THE HOSPITAL. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE MS. PRESLEY, THERE'S A, UM, UH, PEOPLE ARE AMENABLE TO ADDING THAT ON THE LIAISON AGENDA. I GUESS THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE THERE, UM, FROM OCTOBER, A TOURISM BUSINESS MARKETING PLAN UPDATE, I MAYBE JUST ADDING TOURISM TO TOPIC. UM, NOT UPDATE. I GET, I MEAN, WE PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU, CAN WE JUST CALL IT TOURISM NEXT TOURISM STEPS? YEAH. YEAH. JUST TOURISM, TOURISM, TOURISM. ALL RIGHT. WHERE, UH, LET'S SEE THE COMP PLAN. UM, UH, LET'S SEE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE THINGS THAT WERE ON THE LAST TIME? THE ONLY OTHER, THE ONLY WE ACCOMPLISHED? YEAH. THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT IS ON THERE THAT POSSIBLY NEEDS TO HAVE SOME TIME, UH, DEVOTED TO IT IS, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT SHOULD BE AT THE LIAISON MEETING OR IF THAT SHOULD BE A CLOSED MEETING THAT WE'VE, AND THAT'S THE E D NEGOTIATIONS. UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT EVERY TIME. WE COULDN'T DISCUSS IT AND OPEN IT AND WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT IN OPEN. IT'S GOTTA BE IN A CLOSE. SO YEAH. MAYOR, IF IF YES, IF I COULD MM-HMM. , UH, I PLAN TO MAKE A MOTION THIS EVENING AS IT RELATES TO E D A, SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL ADDRESS IT. UM, YEAH. YOU MEAN DURING THE OPEN DISCUSSION YOU'RE GONNA SUGGEST A TOP A TIME TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING? YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. YEAH. AND I MEAN, I IT'S YOU'RE SPOT ON IN TERMS OF CONSIDERING IT AND SO FORTH. YES. UH, BUT WE, BUT AGAIN, I'M, AS I SAID THOUGH, I'M NOT SURE THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHO OWES WHAT. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE GEORGE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT GEORGE MEETING. IT'S, COULD YOU ADVISE, GIVE US THE LITTLE ADVICE HERE? THAT TOPIC IS PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HANDLED IN AN OPEN MEETING AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT'S NOT AT THIS POINT IT'S LEGAL, LEGAL MEETING. I'M NOT SUGGESTING AN OPEN MEETING. NO, NO. I KNOW, YOUR HONOR. I, I JUST WAS COMMENTING THAT WE PROBABLY WON'T ADD THAT TO THIS LIAISON AGENDA MEETING. GOT IT. AND IF, IF WE DID, IT WOULD BE AS A CLOSED MEETING AT THE END. AND IF EVERYBODY CAN'T BE THERE, THEN DIDN'T WE JUST SAY HERE TWO HOURS AGO THAT WE, WE WERE GONNA HAVE A CLOSED SESSION AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING TO DISCUSS THAT? I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. I THINK THAT'S FRIA. I THINK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT'S FREEDOM. WE TALKED ABOUT FREEDOM FRI DIFFERENT, THERE'S FRIA AND THEN THERE WAS WARREN COUNTY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT GETS CONFUSING THOUGH WAY. NOT THEY, WE DON'T NEED EM ANYWAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH. WHAT ELSE YOU WANNA ADD? I WOULD LIKE, UH, SINCE EVERYONE ELSE HAS HIT MOST OF MY TOPICS, UH, THE REINCARNATION OF THE YOUTH CENTER. GOTCHA. OKAY. WE DISCUSSED THAT LAST TIME AND I THINK I JUST USED IT. SO THEY EMPTIED IT OUT. IT WAS BEING USED AS A STORAGE FACILITY. IT'S EMPTY AND ACCESSIBLE NOW. I USED IT THIS WEEKEND. WE CAN, WE CAN BRING IT UP THOUGH. AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAY THAT, BRUCE, IS EVERY TIME FOR THE LAST ST. MARS. YOU SAID THE LAST FOUR OF THESE, YOU ACTIV YOUTH HAVE BEEN A TOPIC. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO, RIGHT. I MEAN, GIVE ME, YOU USED IT. THERE IS, WHAT DID YOU USE IT FOR? WELL, FACILITY AND WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S, REGARDLESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT WAS FILLED WITH STUFF AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT AT THE LAST THREE AND NOW THEY'RE OPENING IT BACK UP FOR YOUTH PEOPLE BE ABLE TO RENT HIM. COUNTY OFFICER. WERE IN THERE UNTIL YOUTH ACTIVITIES THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH WE COULDN'T DO LAST YEAR. TINA, COULD WE JUST MAKE A GENERIC YOUTH ACTIVITIES OR A DISCUSSION OF YOUTH ACTIVITIES AND THEN THAT WOULD GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, BECAUSE WE TALKED LIKE DANCES, COUNSELING, RAP REPORTS. WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT IN OCTOBER. AND ACTUALLY WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE JULY ONE TOO. [03:05:01] WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY WITH THAT. CAUSE THAT'S COUNTY PROPERTY. IT'S FOR THE LIAISON. THIS IS FOR THE LIAISON. AND, AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, WE ACTUALLY EVEN TALKED ABOUT FORMING A COMMITTEE IN THE COMMUNITY BETWEEN ALL THE, YOU KNOW, STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT THAT. SO WE CAN BRING IT UP AGAIN. IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE YOU GOT ON YOUR LIST WE MISSED? UM, IT IS JUST, UH, A GENERAL SPECIAL OF THEN COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY. I MEAN MM-HMM. , JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BIKE, UH, EVENT. MM-HMM. , UH, POSSIBLY IN THE COMMUNITY. UH, THEY HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT OVER IN WINCHESTER. YEP. THEY DID, WENT THROUGH THE CITY. MM-HMM. . I SAW IT AND THEN AROUND THE, UH, AND IT BROUGHT PEOPLE IN. THE TOURISM COMMITTEE HAD THAT ON THEIR LIST. YEAH. THAT CAN BE FALL UNDER YOUR TOUR. YEAH. BUT THAT'S, BUT, BUT THAT'S A GOOD THING TO SHARE WITH SKIP TOO, BECAUSE MM-HMM. , THAT WOULD BE A PLA TOURISM. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SPOT FOR THAT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, THAT'S FINE. THEY HAVE A LIST OF, THEY HAVE A PLACE ON PROPOSED IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THIS HERE. UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE WANNA ADD. WE PROBABLY, THAT'S THE TOURISM COMMITTEE. I GOT ENOUGH POST LIST OF EVENTS THAT THEY WANNA HOST IN FRONT ROYAL THIS YEAR. AND A BIKE EVENT IS ONE ON. THEY WANNA HOST LIKE A YEAH, THEY USED USED TO BE HUGE. YEAH. THEY WANNA DO THAT IN A RUN. YEP. TINA, YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER WITH, COULD YOU JUST RECAP WHAT WE'VE SAID? WATER, WATER CAPACITY UPDATE. COMP PLAN UPDATE FROM BOTH ENTITIES. CORRECT. UM, ALTERNATE ACCESS TO SAN SHORES ROAD AND MARY SHADE, LANE TOURISM DISCUSSION OF YOUTH ACTIVITIES. THAT IT, YEAH, I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE JUST KEEP GOING BACK TO DISCUSS WITH EVERYONE OF MINE. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM IS OPEN DISCUSSION. I HAVE, UH, THREE LITTLE THINGS THAT NOBODY'S GONNA BE SURPRISED ABOUT. SO IN OPEN DISCUSSION, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE FOR THE PUBLIC, I'M, UH, I, UM, I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE A NEED FOR TWO WORK SESSIONS A MONTH. UM, WE, UH, WHEN I FIRST JOINED COUNCIL, WE HAD TWO WORK SESSIONS A MONTH, TWO REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS A MONTH. AND, UM, WE WENT TO ONE AND ONE WITH LOTS OF, YOU KNOW, THINKING LOTS OF PROS. UM, AND OVER MY TIME ON COUNCIL, I, I SAW SOME MORE CONS THAN I EVER THOUGHT WITH PROS. AND I THINK I'VE TALKED TO EACH OF YOU ALL ABOUT THAT ONE BEING THAT THEY'RE VERY LENGTHY. HERE YOU GO. RIGHT? I'M JUST GONNA PUT IT OUT THERE. WE STARTED AT SIX AND WE REALLY STARTED OUR WORK SESSION BY SIX 15. IT'S NINE O'CLOCK. IT WAS A HEAVY DUTY ONE. UM, BUT DONE AFTER THAT. IF, IF COUNSEL, I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO PUT THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND. MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS GOING TO TWO WORK SESSIONS A MONTH. UM, AND JUST TO, SO THAT ONE, THEY DON'T LAST FOREVER. AND TWO, UM, TO JUST GIVE, GIVE US, GIVE US A FRESH BRAIN AS WE'RE DISCUSSING IT. CUZ SOMETIMES IT MAKES FOR A REALLY LONG EVENING. I THINK STAFF MIGHT EVEN BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. MR. UH, WALTZ, WOULD YOU AGREE? YEAH, I AGREE. THAT STAFF WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF, SO THE, IF WE KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND, WE CAN REVISIT IT AGAIN. IT WOULD INVOLVE US CHANGING THE CODE BECAUSE WE LITERALLY JUST CHANGED IT TO GO TO THE OTHER ONE. . UM, IF WE DID IT, IT WOULD ALSO BE ON MONDAY NIGHT. UM, AND ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CONSIDER MONDAY NIGHT IS JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST IN YOUR MIND KIND OF PRESERVING THAT FOR COUNCIL THINGS. AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS YOU ALL ARE AWARE THAT WE OFTENTIMES WILL HAVE TO CALL LIKE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING LIKE WE'RE DOING NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT. UM, AND IT MADE IT VERY CHALLENGING WHEN WE HAD TO SCHEDULE A NIGHT AND WE HAD TO ASK ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE, WHAT NIGHT WORKS FOR YOU? ONE NIGHT WORKS FOR YOU? WHAT NIGHT WORKS FOR STAFF? AND SO THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST NIGHT SATURDAY. YEAH. WE EVEN ENDED UP HAVING A SATURDAY MEETING. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, AND SO IF WE LOOK AT MONDAY NIGHT AS THAT'S AN A POTENTIAL NIGHT THAT I COULD HAVE A COUNSEL MEETING, THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO IF WE DID HAVE TO SCHEDULE SOMETHING EXTRA, WE'D KNOW MONDAYS, MONDAYS EVERYBODY WOULD BE SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE CONDUCIVE TO THEIR SCHEDULE. SO, UM, AGAIN, JUST KEEPING THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND, THINKING ABOUT IT, TALK, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW, KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT. UM, AND RETREAT DATE, UM, UH, WE, [03:10:01] ONCE WE APPOINT A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, HOPEFULLY IN FEBRUARY, EARLY FEBRUARY, WE CAN PICK A DATE FOR RETREAT. AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOUR ASSAULTS ARE ABOUT EVENINGS OR SATURDAY. AND I WILL TELL YOU MY TIME ON COUNCIL, WE'VE DONE BOATS, WE'VE DONE A COUPLE EVENINGS BACK TO BACK. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DID A FULL SATURDAY. I THINK WE DID LIKE A FRIDAY NIGHT AND THEN A SATURDAY MORNING. UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT TWO NIGHTTIME MEETINGS BACK TO BACK BY THE SECOND NIGHT, PEOPLE WERE A LITTLE FRIED. THEY RIGHT? YEP. EJ WOULD ADMIT THEY WERE, THEY, YOU KNOW, ADULTS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN CHILDREN. WE LOST FOCUS AND EVERYBODY GOT DISTRACTED. SO HOW LONG THE EVENING? FOUR HOURS? YEAH, WE EIGHT HOUR RETREAT, WE PROBABLY DID FIVE 30 TO NINE AND WE WERE THERE. WE ALSO ATE SOMEWHERE IN THERE TOO. TWO YOUR FOUR HOURS EACH NIGHT. IT WAS, IT EQUALED A TOTAL OF EIGHT HOURS TOGETHER. AND SO YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST MADE FOR A LONG EVENING MM-HMM. . UM, BUT AGAIN, I KNOW SATURDAYS ARE PRECIOUS TIMES FOR FAMILIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? WHO PARTICIPATES? BJ WOULD BE THERE. ALL OF COUNCIL, ALL OF COUNCIL STAFF. HE OKAY. BUT NOT, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THERE THE WHOLE TIME. GOT IT. THEY JUST COME FOR THEIR PORTION. GO AHEAD JOE. YEAH. UM, DEAN, THE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT THIS. MY THOUGHT WAS IS TO TRY TO DO SOME PREP WORK BEFORE THE ACTUAL RETREAT SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING THAT VALUABLE TIME JUST GIVING YOU REPORTS MM-HMM. . SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TEE IT UP TO DO SOME OF THAT PRE-WORK AND SOME WORK SESSIONS SO THAT WHEN THE COUNCIL DOES GET TOGETHER, THEY CAN ACTUALLY USE THAT TIME MORE PRODUCTIVELY AND THAT, AND IF THE RETREAT, WE WOULD TALK ABOUT OUR GOALS, OUR VISION, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO WORK ON. AND THEN KIND OF LIKE GIVING DIRECTION TO STAFF AND, UM, AND ME, YOU KNOW, IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT. THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA WORK ON. SO, UM, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT A DATE NOW WITHOUT A A, A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, DO Y'ALL HAVE THOUGHTS ON WEEKNIGHTS? SATURDAY DAYS? I WOULD BE OPEN. YOU'D BE OPEN TO EAT? I'D BE, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO WE'RE DOING INTERVIEWS IN WHAT A WEEK. I MEAN, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SAY DATES THAT DON'T WORK FOR US, BUT IF WE KNOW WHO WE'RE APPOINTING, WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE 23RD TO CALL THEM AND ASK AFTER THE INTERVIEWS. SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO PEOPLE THROWING OUT THE DATES THAT THEY DON'T WANT. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE WHOEVER WE DECIDE TO APPOINT IN A WEEK. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS REALLY, IT'S BEEN REALLY HARD BY THE TIME ON COUNCIL. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT. I THINK THIS IS THE NEWEST COUNCIL EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE TOWN ALL AT ONCE. UM, SO I WANNA INCLUDE THEM CUZ IT ALSO TEACHES US HOW TO WORK TOGETHER EFFECTIVELY. MM-HMM. . UM, WHICH IS CRITICAL. CAUSE WE CAN ALL HAVE A LOT OF, LOT OF GREAT IDEAS, BUT IF WE CAN'T COMPROMISE AND GET 'EM ACROSS THE LINE, THEN IT DOESN'T WORK. IT JUST, UH, UM, TO, I ADD TO WHAT MS. UM, MORRIS SAID IS THAT, YES, WE'LL TALK ABOUT VISION AND GOAL, BUT UH, THE INITIAL PIECE OF IT IS KIND OF LIKE TALKING ABOUT LIKE HOW WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE AS A COUNCIL MEETING PROTOCOLS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. JUST KIND OF LIKE MORE OR LESS LIKE HOW, HOW WE GET ALONG KIND OF THING. TEAMWORK, LIKE HOW, HOW THIS IS GONNA WORK AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN. SO, UM, I'LL JUST, ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON LIKE ABSOLUTELY NO. TO A SATURDAY? ABSOLUTELY. NO TWO EVENINGS OR ABSOLUTELY. I ONLY WANNA DO EVENINGS. I THINK A SATURDAY WOULD BE GREAT. GET IT ALL IN ONE DAY. YEAH. I OH, YOU'RE THINKING NOT FRIDAY, SATURDAY. SATURDAY. YEAH. I'M WILLING TO COMMIT TO ONE DAY AND DO IT. SURE. YEAH. YEAH. I'D RATHER DO ONE DAY AND MAYBE WE COULD GET TWO MEALS. I'M JUST KIDDING. , YOU'RE LUCKY IF SHE BRINGS PUMPKIN ROLLS. . YEAH, IT'S A POT NOW. I IT COULD BE A POT LUCK AND WE COULD, I COULD DO SOUP. WE COULD DO A, ANYBODY OPPOSED TO A SATURDAY? WE JUST DID SOME HAMMOND BEAN SOUP. RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. THEN WE'LL JUST, JUST DO A SOUP DAY NOW. WELL MAYBE NOT BE, TINA WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO FOR A LUNCH OR DINNER, RIGHT, ? YEP. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? UM, SOMETHING FOR THE OPEN, SKIP, YOU ADD SOMETHING FOR THE OPEN. YOU SAID I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. UM, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO THIS BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE IN CLOSED SESSION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE COUNCIL BEGIN A, UH, DIALOGUE ON REESTABLISHING A FORMAL COMMUNICATION WITH THE FRIDA AND E D A OKAY. ON THE COUNTY. OKAY. UH, I WANT US TO KIND OF OPEN UP A DISCUSSION, THOUGHTS, CONCERNS, UM, AND REALLY FORMALLY TRY TO BEGIN TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES RELATED TO IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO I GET A SECOND? WHAT? UH, IT'S NOT REALLY A MOTION CUZ THIS IS JUST AN OPEN DISCUSSION, SO YOU'RE SUGGEST NO, THAT'S FINE. SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO [03:15:01] IN THE FUTURE AND I JUST, I'M JUST GONNA ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT LOOKS LIKE? AND GEORGE MIGHT, IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR GEORGE TO, I'M GONNA DEFER TO SO LET MR. SONNET, IS THAT SOMETHING IN, IN THE WAY THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN ROGERS DESCRIBED IT, IS THAT FEASIBLE RIGHT NOW? AND MR. ROGERS? THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS CUZ WE'RE STILL ACTUALLY IN, UH, LITIGATION, A LOSS LITIGATION. I UNDERSTAND. YEP. SO NO, NO, NO. I GOTCHA. I'M JUST SAYING. SO WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION? I THINK THEY'RE BOTH APPROPRIATE FOR CLOSE. OKAY. AND WE DID HAVE UNDER, UNDER ONE OR ANOTHER BANNER UNDER FOIA. OKAY. AND, AND, AND, AND IF I CAN CERTAINLY LEGAL ADVICE YEAH. AS TO FRONT ROYAL ED AND WOULD THAT BE SOME, I'M SORRY, WARREN COUNTY. SO WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TOGETHER HAVING THIS CONVERSATION? NOT FOR, NOT, NOT FOR LEGAL ADVICE BECAUSE YOU'D BE WAIVING OKAY, GOTCHA. YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED TO, YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED TO FIRST HAVE A, A LEGAL ADVICE MEETING, TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN MOVE FORWARD. ALSO, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT, BECAUSE TWO THINGS I WANNA ADD TO THAT, THIS COUNCIL THAT SETS AROUND ME TONIGHT, ASIDE FROM LAURIE AND MYSELF, HAVE NOT BEEN BRIEFED ON ANY OF THIS LITIGATION. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT PERTAINS TO THE THINGS THAT ARE COVERED UNDER THIS LITIGATION. THERE ARE SPECIFIC PROJECTS INVOLVED WITH IT. UM, AND THEN SECONDLY, WE DID HAVE ONE JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MEETING, IF YOU WILL. UM, IT WAS AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER. IT WAS A CLOSED SESSION, IT WAS TOWN AND COUNTY. UM, JOE PETTY HEADED IT UP AND WE TALKED ABOUT SOME JOINT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS REALLY PRODUCTIVE. I THOUGHT IT WAS IN A CLOSED SESSION. WE CAN DO THAT AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO THINGS THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY LITIGATING. SO GEORGE, SO WE HAVE DONE IT ONCE BEFORE. IT'S POSSIBLE. GEORGIA WOULD, UM, YOU PREFERRED THAT ON THE, ON THE 23RD? I'M THINKING. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING SCHEDULED FOR A CLOSED ON THE 23RD UNLESS WE END UP HAVING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS ALLEY THING. RIGHT. NO, ACTUALLY, UM, RIGHT NOW OF COURSE WE REALLY HAVEN'T FLESHED OUT THE, THE 23RD. YEAH. JANUARY 23RD. SO YEAH, I MEAN IT WOULD BE EASILY, IF COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WAS TO ADD THAT TO A CLOSE ON THE 23RD, WE COULD DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO RESPECT, UH, COUNCILMAN ROGERS REQUEST SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. SO JANUARY 23RD, YOU COULD GIVE US SOME LEGAL ADVICE ON THAT AND THEN WE CAN DETERMINE FROM THERE WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP. OKAY. IS THAT YES. DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? SKIP? IS THAT GOOD? OH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE FOR OPEN DISCUSSION? YES, I HAVE A BUNCH OF NOTES FROM VML I'LL SHARED AT THE 23RD MEETING AND OPEN DISCUSSION. IT WAS SUPER INFORMATIVE. ANYTIME YOU GUYS GET INVITED TO GO TO RICHMOND AND REPRESENT FRONT ROYAL, IT'S REALLY FUN. UM, FRONT ROYAL TOPPED UP AS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION DOWN IN RICHMOND. UH, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SITTING THERE, JOSH AND BRUCE. I LET PICK THE TABLE A LITTLE LATE AND I DID NOT KNOW THE CAMERA SETTLED ON MY FACE WHILE I LUNCH AND SAID, GOOD, YOU, YOU SAT UP YOUR LUNCH LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ENJOYING IT. UM, SO SAT UPRIGHT, DON'T LET YOUR TABLE . YOU BLAME ME. . YEAH, IT WAS SUPER INFORMATIVE. I'LL SHARE MY NOTES ON THE 23RD AND OPEN DISCUSSION, BUT ANYTIME YOU GUYS GET A CHANCE TO GO DOWN THERE, I DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE TIMES LAST YEAR THAT I COULD HAVE AND I WISH I WOULD'VE. BUT ALSO AN OPEN DISCUSSION I'D LIKE TO ADD, I SENT OUT AN EMAIL I JUST WANNA ANNOUNCE AT THIS WORK SESSION AND FOR THE PUBLIC WATCHING THE PEOPLE HERE, UM, AT OUR NEXT WORK SESSION, I HAVE THE CONSENSUS TO ADD A PILOT AT VALLEY HEALTH SPECIFICALLY BACK TO THE AGENDA. UM, I'M EXCITED TO DISCUSS THAT. AND THEN, UM, THE LAST THING, CAN YOU DEFINE WHAT KIND OF PILOT MAYBE? OR IS IT PREVIOUS? WELL, PILOT IS A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES. OH. OH, NOT A, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A PILOT PROGRAM. NO. UM, SO WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AT OUR NEXT WORK SESSION. AND THEN, UH, THERE I WOULD LIKE TO ADD DISCUSSION OR CONTINUATION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION AT SOME POINT, UH, REGARDING THE VISITORS CENTER. WE'LL GET UPDATE ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE WANT ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANNA DISCUSS NOW AND OPEN OR, OR I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT'S ON YOUR MIND THAT YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT? WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE ONE WORK SESSION SCHEDULED IN FEBRUARY AND THEN IF PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, WE'D HAVE TO, I THINK WE'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE PROBABLY A PUBLIC HEARING, WOULDN'T WE TINA? TO EVEN BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE CODE AGAIN. YEAH. YEP. TO CHANGE CODE. YEAH. MM-HMM. . YES. SO IF WE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, WE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS, WE GOTTA START TALKING ABOUT THAT. YEAH. I'M SECOND HAVING A SECOND WORK SESSION THINKING ABOUT THAT. YES SIR. DO YOU WANT TO PUT THAT AS A LINE ITEM [03:20:01] ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION PLEASE. SO THAT WE CAN THEN ADVERTISE, YOU CAN AUTHORIZE STAFF TO ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARING IF WE DECIDE TO DO IT BY THE END OF FEBRUARY. ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THIS TALK ABOUT LIKE THE BUDGET, LIKE I THINK TO MYSELF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED AT A WORK SESSION AND, AND THE SECOND WORK SESSION WILL ENTIRELY ALLEVIATE THE ISSUE BECAUSE DEADLINES WILL COME UP ON THIS COUNCIL WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS OR SPEND MONEY AT A DEADLINE DATE. AND IT COULD BE A THURSDAY NIGHT, A SATURDAY NIGHT. I MEAN, LIKE WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THE MONDAY OF OUR WORK SESSION TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING AS WELL. AND SO I'LL JUST TELL YOU, WHEN I CAME HOME TO COUNCIL, I WAS TOLD WE MEET TWICE A MONTH ON MONDAY NIGHTS AT SIX. I KIND OF KNEW THAT THAT WASN'T GONNA BE THE CASE. I CAME TO AND ATTENDED ENOUGH TOWN COUNCIL MEETINGS. THERE WAS A TIME, UM, MUCH TO WHAT'S UP FRONT, ROYALS DISBELIEF IN DECEMBER DESPITE THE HOLIDAY WHERE WE MET FOUR TIMES IN ONE WEEK ON THIS COUNCIL. AND UH, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF NIGHTS THAT WE'VE SEEN MIDNIGHT ON THIS CLOCK HERE IN THIS TOWN HALL. SO, UM, I DO, I AM IN FAVOR AND SUPPORT ADDING A SECOND WORK SESSION, BUT JUST KNOW THAT IT WILL NOT COMPLETELY ALLEVIATE THE NEED FOR SPECIAL CALLED MEETINGS, EMERGENCY MEETINGS AS WELL. THAT WAS MY FIRST WEEK ON COUNCIL, HAD FOUR MEETINGS. WELL WE WERE, AND WE WERE LIKE, WELCOME TO COUNCIL OUTTA HERE. YOU KNOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT MY GOAL IS NOT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. MY GOAL IS TO RUN EFFICIENT MEETINGS SO WE CAN NOT BE HERE TILL NINE OR 10 O'CLOCK CUZ A LOT OF US, YOU KNOW, WORK THE NEXT DAY. OKAY. IT'S NINE O'CLOCK. YEAH, NO, I'M, I'M RIGHT. I KNOW, BUT YOU WANT, BUT THAT'S MY POINT THOUGH, IS, IS THAT, IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SQUEEZE EVERYTHING INTO ONE WORK SESSION. IF WE HAD TUESDAY, MONTH TWO WOULD BE A HOME. YES. WELL, AND THERE WILL BE SOME, WE HAVE TWO WHERE WE WON'T HAVE HARDLY ANYTHING. AND I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE PROBABLY BETTER IF WE DID WORK SESSION ON MONDAY, A WORK SESSION, A MONDAY AND THEN THE REGULAR MEETING AND THEN THAT WAY YOU'VE GOT TWO LEADING UP TO IT AND THEN YOUR REGULAR MEETING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE DONE WITH THIS. DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? READ YOUR WORDS . SO, UM, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA READ US INTO CLOSE MME. MAYER, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE AND GO INTO CLOSE MEETING FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODIES. SPECIFICALLY APPLICATIONS FOR APPOINTMENTS TO FILL VACANCIES ON THE TOWN COUNCIL. CLAIMING COMMISSION AND LOCAL BOARD OF BUILDING CODE APPEALS PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE DAKOTA, VIRGINIA. I NEED A SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN ? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS. COUNCILMAN BREAK. WE HAVE CLOSE MEETING ON, SO WE'RE GONNA GO INTO CLOSE. IF ANYBODY NEEDS THE UH, BATHROOM BREAK, BREAK NOW, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH, I'LL BE RIGHT BACK. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE BACK THERE SOON. SOMEWHERE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.