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OKAY, WELL, LET ME GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN
[Board of Architectural Review on November 10, 2020.]
OF PORT ROYAL BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW MEETING FOR TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 10TH, 2020.THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THEM OVER.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES ON FAVOR.
SO THERE ARE THREE APPLICATIONS, BUT THEY'RE BUNDLED TOGETHER.
SO WE DON'T HAVE FIVE TONIGHT.
UM, AND THEY'RE ALREADY CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ALL THREE.
DO WE WANT IT? I GUESS WE CAN GO ONE BY ONE.
INFORMATION SINCE, SO IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS ARE, YOU ALL RECEIVED COE APPLICATIONS.
UM, AND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF KEEPING ON THE REPORT, WE CONDENSED IT, YOU KNOW, THE THREE INDIVIDUAL APPLICATIONS ONTO ONE, UM, WHAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM, THESE IS OBVIOUSLY A THERE'S THREE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BEFORE YOU ALL FOR REVIEW.
AND THOSE ARE THE PAIN WALL MURALS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ON EAST MAIN STREET, HAD THE THREE PROPERTIES LISTED HERE.
UM, SO ULTIMATELY YOU ALL, I HAD THE REVIEW AUTHORITY WITH COMPATIBILITY FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE NEWNESS OF LONG MURALS, I, WE HAVE A, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO CALL IT A COMMITTEE, BUT THE WARREN COUNTY PROJECT FOR THE ARTS, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO NOT MAKE DECISIONS, BUT I GUESS RECOMMEND YOU ON THE ARTISTIC CHARACTER AND CONCEPTS OF THE MURALS.
THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, SO THIS'LL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
HAS ETHAN EURO GONE THROUGH THAT COMMITTEE ALREADY? I'M ONE OF THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
SO WARREN COUNTY PROJECT FOR THE ARTS.
WE, WE, WE, UM, WE REALLY JUST WANTED TO BE A COMMITTEE TO HELP THAT PROPOSED MURAL.
AND AS SOON AS WE SAID THE WORD MURALS, EVERYBODY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOWN MANAGER, MAYOR TOWN COUNCIL SAID, YES, WE WANT MURAL.
SO WE TURNED INTO A, UH, YOU KNOW, A MURAL CREATING EMPATHY.
AND THIS WAS THE RESULT WE HAVE, WE HAD A CALL FOR PROPOSALS.
WE GOT SOME GOOD ONES, SOME THAT WERE NOT WORKABLE.
AND, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE SETTLED ON THESE THREE.
SO, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE CHOSEN THESE THROUGH AMBULANCE.
WE PARENT THEM TO THE WALLS ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE ARTISTS WITH THE WALL OR WITH THE BUILDING.
COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE? CHRIS, STEVE STEPHENS WITH A PH.
AND WHAT IS THE EXACT NAME OF THE COMMITTEE, BUT WARREN COUNTY PROJECT FOR THE ART.
WHICH IS, I KNOW THAT THE BLOCK GRANT, THEY WERE LOOKING AT FINDING, BUT THEY NEEDED SORT OF AN ORGANIZATION TO KIND OF WORK.
ALL THAT KIND OF CAME TOGETHER, THE MONEY, THE INTEREST IN MURALS AND OUR INTEREST IN TRYING TO, UM, UPGRADE THE QUALITY OF THE MURALS LOT.
GRANT HAD SOME FUNDING FOR PUBLIC ART, WHICH KIND OF KICKED OFF.
AS YOU WERE, SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.
SO THE FIRST MURAL, THE ONE AT, UH, FROM SUBMITTED BY TRANSPORTER BELMONT AT WAYNE TEENIE'S MAIN STREET, UM, THAT IS FOR THE WALL FRONTING KID LANE.
AND JUST AN IMPORTANT NOTE ON THAT IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE HISTORIC
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DISTRICT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, YOU KNOW, AND THE SCALE OF THE PAINTING WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE AN EFFECT, YOU KNOW, UM, ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WHEREAS THE OTHER TWO, YOU KNOW, 200 EAST MAIN STREET AND FIVE OH ONE EAST MAIN STREET ARE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.THIS IS DOWN THAT ALLEY PARKING AREA TO THE BREWERY.
ISN'T THE WALL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT PAINTED LIKE MANGO COLOR ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT ON THAT BUILDING.
UM, I KNOW THAT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WENT THROUGH THE CDBG PROCESS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE HAS BEEN A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF, I GUESS, EXTERIOR WORK DONE IN IT TO BRING IT UP FROM KIND OF WHAT IT USED TO BE IN WITH PAINTING WITH THE WINDOW, TRIM THE AWNING, ET CETERA.
SO THIS WOULD BE IT'S RELATIVELY NEW.
I CAN STILL REMEMBER APPROVING AND I THINK THAT'S ONE WAY TO IMPROVE FOR THE GOVERNMENT.
THEY PUT THEM HERE ON THE ONE SIDE WALL WHEN THEY PAINTED THIS BUILDING UP TO THAT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT IN CONTRIBUTING BRICK WAS SORT OF PIECEMEAL.
SO THEY'RE PUTTING PAINT OVER PAINT.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE TRASH FROM NO, I CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RNS THAT CREATED THIS AS PULLING FROM THE COLORS THAT ARE ON KID LANE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, TO TRY TO PULL IT TOGETHER.
UM, THAT BUILDINGS ACROSS KID LANE FACING MAIN STREET FROM THE TRANSFORM BUILDING, I THINK IS IF YOU GUYS GOT A CHANCE TO APPROVE THAT COLOR OR NOT, BUT IT'S SORT OF A TEAL GREEN, THAT'S SORT OF A STRONG COLOR, REALLY THINKS IT OUT.
BUT ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF POWER, A LOT OF STRONG COLORS, BUT THE FEELING OF THE MURAL WOULD TIE ALL THAT TOGETHER, BONDING EXISTING ONE COMPANY.
SO DO WE HAVE TO APPROVE THESE SEPARATELY OR COLLECTIVELY THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT NUMBERS ON THEM AND DOCUMENTATION.
EACH COA MUST BE A FOOD SEPARATELY.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE IT FOR THE ONE 18? OKAY.
WHAT THEY WERE SAYING ARE THOSE LITTLE SCREENS, LIKE ALL THE STUFF AROUND IT, THAT'LL BE, WELL, LET'S GO.
SO THIS ONE, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I KNOW THIS BUILDING.
I HOPE TO IN ATLANTA AGAINST THE KNOCKING OVER THE NEXT DALLY WAY OVER THAT BUILDING, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN THE EXTERIOR CRUMBLE.
AN INTERESTING NOTE IS THAT ON THE SIDE OF THAT BUILDING IN THE ALLEY, THERE'S A ASPHALT.
SHE WAS RIGHT THERE, GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND AND THEY'RE IN PRETTY POOR SHAPE.
AND THEN THE CONTOUR OF THE BUILDING COMES OUT, COMES IN AND YOU
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GOT THE SHINGLES TO GO DOWN TO THE GROUND.AND THAT WAS THE EBONY AND IVORY.
WE HAVE A TON OF INSPIRATIONAL SHINGLES.
UM, I KEEP INTERRUPTING, BUT THE NEW STORE, EBONY AND IVORY ARE GOING TO DO REPAIRS.
THIS ARTIST KNOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE WALL IS READY, HE'S NOT READY TO MOVE ON IT.
UM, YOU HAVE THE BUILDING OF A MESS RIGHT NOW WITH THE NEW OWNERS.
WHAT'S I HEARD A SMOOTHIE SHOPS AND THE OTHER ONLY OTHER THING I COULD SAY IS, UM, THIS ARTIST, I DON'T KNOW, FELIPE IS HIS FIRST NAME.
UM, SO THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE WHITE WITH BLACK TRIM AND HIS BLACK AND WHITE ACQUAINT START, BUT ALSO OLD SCHOOL ON, I GUESS WHAT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF INSPIRATIONAL PICTURES AND THEN THE PENCIL SKETCH, RIGHT? UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL HE HASN'T YET COMPLETE, BUT YOU GET THE IDEA.
I'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS ON ALL THOSE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT WALL THE PENCIL SKETCH WAS SUBMITTED FIRST.
AND THEN TODAY I RECEIVED THOSE YESTERDAY.
THERE WAS ADDITIONAL, LIKE A MORE DETAILED VIEW TO KIND OF SEE WHAT CAUSE NORMALLY WE ASK OR CAUSE FROM COLOR RENDERING BLACK AND WHITE.
I THINK THE BUYING UNTIL YOU GET TO THE PAINS OF THOSE EARLY SIGNS OF LINGER, WHICH OF REACH OUT TO A WOODPECKER THAT IS HIS PAST WORK, EVERYTHING AFTER THAT IS THE EXAMPLES OF HIS WORK AND HE'S GONE.
DIDN'T HAVE TRILLIUM ON THERE.
AND THEN I FOR A PICTURE, SO MY ALL LEGAL TO COME OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO A QUESTION ABOUT THIS ONE, WE HAVE THE SKETCH AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PIECES OF SMALL PIECES OF THE WORK.
UM, ARE THESE DETAILS, UM, WHAT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE MURAL? IT LOOKS LIKE A BUNCH OF TOOLS, BUT THEN WE SEE A OF TOOLS ON THE WALL HERE.
SO NOW I'M LIKE, OH, THERE'S A PAGE BEFORE THAT THE ART IS INFORMATION FROM THE ARTISTS
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THAT I ATTACHED WITH THAT TAKING MY PACKET APART, STARTING TO PIECE TOGETHER WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE ARTISTS AND THEN THE TREE I'M MATCHING UP.SO MUCH OF THIS IS BECAUSE WHEN THE SCALE IS A PIECE OF PAPER, IT COULD GET LOST IN SOME DETAILS AND AMBITIOUS.
AND I'M LIKE, SO IF WE APPROVE THIS, HOW MUCH OF IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO GET ON THE BALL? IT'S A HUGE CANVAS.
UM, IT'S HUGE IN A WAY, BUT IT'S ALSO BROKEN IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING TO SEE THE BUILDING.
I'VE ALSO SEEN A LOT OF PROJECTS WHERE ON THIS SIDE YOU'VE GOT ALL THE GREAT IDEAS AND SUDDENLY ONE OF YOUR CANVAS IS GIGANTIC.
IT TURNS INTO A LOT MORE TIME AND WORK AND SCOPE CREEP WHEN IT COMES TO IMPLEMENTATION.
I DON'T WANT IT TO RUN OUT OF TIME, MONEY, ENERGY THERE.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE WHITE AND BLACK, RIGHT? THE FRONT.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE WHITE AND BLACK ONLY IS WHITE WITH BLACK
I, THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE LONGEST, WHICH ONES GO ON BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM KIND OF BUILDING FOR HIM STARTS THEN I HAVE NO PROBLEMS FOR THE REPAIRS ON THE BUILDING.
WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO US OR WILL IT, DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE REPAIRED? JUST LIKE FOR LIKE, AS IT IS OR ARE THEY CHANGING ANYTHING MATERIAL YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO COME BACK TO? IT PROBABLY WILL.
THERE'S THERE'S THE OUT THERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE, THEY ADDED A STAIR STAIRWELL GOING UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, RIGHT ON THE SIDE, RIGHT BY THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING DOES THAT SAYING I HAVE NO IDEA.
AND THEN IT'S JUST THESE BUMPS OUT AND BUMPS THEM.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S LIKE SHINGLES FOR SOME REASONABLY OLD STUFF IN THE HEADLINE AROUND THE REPAIR.
ANY, ANY CHANGE, NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE BUILDING NOW IT WOULD REQUIRE A REVIEW BEFORE YOU WENT, JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A CHANGE OF MATERIALS TO CHANGE THE PS.
I DON'T, I MEAN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE MURAL, BUT I KNOW THAT IT WORKS WHEN I HAVE TO BE DONE.
WE'RE JUST HERE TO HEAR THE MURAL.
SO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
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WOW.SO, UH, ANY OTHER INFORMATION FACTS? UM, NOTHING'S FROM HER? UM, SO I'LL JUST READ IT.
SHE SENT IT TO, UM, AND LINDA SAYS HERE'S A SKETCH WHICH STILL NEEDS SOME TWEAKING AND MINOR ADDITIONS, BUT SHOULD YOU SHOULD GIVE YOU A CLEAR IDEA OF THE DIRECTION I'D LIKE TO TAKE THEM HERE ON THE THEME IS NATIVE VIRGINIA WOODPECKERS.
AND SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS SHE HAD TO DEAL WITH WAS WORTH THE LAYOUT OF THE SUBSTRATE WITH MULTIPLE OPENINGS, DOORS AND WINDMILLS.
THERE'S A LOT OF WINDOWS ON THAT WALL.
THAT'S THE DESIGN ATTEMPTS TO USE THE POSITIVE SPACE AND WORKS AROUND THE NEGATIVE STRONG VERTICAL LINES TO BREAK UP THE HORIZONTAL PLANE OF THE FACADE CONDITION AND COLOR OF THE SUBSTRATE.
THE PAIN IS IN GREAT SHAPE AND THE BLACK APP PUTS A DRAMATIC VISUAL TO THE DOWNTOWN LANDSCAPE.
IT'S QUITE SOPHISTICATED ABOUT BEING SPARKED.
I MEAN, SHE'S FROM CHARLOTTESVILLE.
SHE CAME UP AND WE INTRODUCED HER TO MAC, THE BUILDING OWNER.
AND THEN SHE TOOK A WALK DOWN MAIN STREET AND SHE SAID, UM, THE COLORFUL NATURE OF DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET IS SO COLORFUL, UM, BY USING COLOR IN A LIMITED CAPACITY AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE BLACK AND WHITE SCHEME.
THIS PROVIDES A CONTRAST TO THE SURROUNDING COLORS.
FIRST MAKES THEM STAND OUT EVEN MORE.
UM, I'M STILL HOPING THAT A FEW ELEMENTS WITH SOME MINOR AREAS OF NEGATIVE SPACE AND RAMPED A FEW INSECTS AS WELL.
AND THEN SHE WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THE WHITE WOOD GRAIN, UH, WITH WRAP AROUND TO THE MAIN, UH, MAIN STREET SIDE, LIKE MAYBE ONE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A BRANCH I'LL REACH AROUND TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA CONTINUE ALL THE WAY, SORT OF PULL UP OTHER PICTURES THAT ARE SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION ARE THOSE EXAMPLES BEFORE DEFINITELY STRIKING FOR ME.
I THINK THE BUILDING LOOKS CLASS IN JUST NICE BLACK, WHERE IT IS.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM APPROVING ANY GIRL.
CAUSE ALL IT TAKES IS A KIND OF BANK.
IS IT? I MEAN, FOR ME, IT'S LIKE THIS BUILDING IS NOT ONE OF THE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN THAT NEEDS PAINTING.
THE OTHER PREVIOUS APPLICATION, THEY JUST PAINTED THAT ONE TOO WHERE IT'S LIKE ACROSS THE STREET THAT BUILDINGS FALLING APART.
YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S ALSO SOME, THERE'S JUST AS MANY PEOPLE THAT REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT LARGE DARK WALL BUILDING BLACK.
SO I MEAN, IT KIND OF GOES BOTH WAYS ON THAT COLOR.
I MEAN THERE'S, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING NOT CLASSY ABOUT THE DRAWING ITSELF.
OH LOT EXAMPLES OF WORK THAT THE ARTISTS KNOW HOW TO DRAW A BIRD.
I MEAN THAT'S THE WORST IS WHEN YOU GET YEAH.
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I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL IN FAVOR AND APPROVE APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED OR ARE THEY COMING IN DEADLINE? WE WORKING WITH THE TOWN, IT TOOK THEM QUITE A WHILE TO COME UP WITH THE RFP.WE ONLY GAVE THE ARTISTS, LIKE I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY HEARD ABOUT IT.
MAYBE EIGHT DIFFERENT ARTISTS SUBMITTED AND MAYBE MOST OF THEM SUBMITTED ROUGH SKETCHES AND A PAST WORK.
THERE WAS A COUPLE OF COMPLETED.
ANY OF THESE ARE GOING TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL MURAL PROJECT.
I WOULDN'T GUESS WE WILL DO THAT.
I THINK TO DO THAT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE 80 SOMEWHERE IN THE MURAL IN ITS DOCUMENTATION, BUT IT'S, IT'S EASY TO LIKE PUT IT IN A CORNER.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE ORGANIZATION.
I THINK IF YOU WENT OVER THIS BEFORE, YOU WOULD JUST TRY TO GOOGLE APPALACHIAN TRAIL MURALS.
YOU'LL, YOU'LL FIND IT, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE ORGANIZATION THAT DOCUMENTS MURALS AND ALL THE TOWNS LIKE THIS ALONG THE TRAIL AND THEY BECOME DESTINATIONS AND THEY'RE PUBLISHED AND PROMOTED THROUGH THAT ORGANIZATION AS WELL.
WE ONLY HAVE, WE EVEN WITH THE CLOUD MURAL THREE, UM, INITIALLY THREE BUILDING OWNERS WHO WERE INTERESTED AND EBONY AND IVORY WAS ADDED AFTER THAT, THAT BUILDING CHANGED HANDS.
SO, SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU GOTTA HAVE A WILLING BUILDING OWNER AND UH, AND THEN A QUALITY SUBMISSION FROM MURALS.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD, IT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT ASSET TO THE POUND AND THEY'RE HOPING TO GET STARTED IN NOVEMBER.
SO THAT'S MONTH AND PRETTY SOON, LIKE MAYBE NEXT WEEK, ONE OF THEM, THE WEBSITE IS.COM.
OH THE BUSINESS TO, TO ATTEND.
I DON'T HAVE, I ALWAYS ASK ABOUT THE AFTERNOON, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY, ANY MOVEMENT ON THAT THAT I'VE HEARD DOWN THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT BOARDING IT UP BEFORE LAST WINTER.
I MEAN, IT WASN'T A CONCERN, THE ROOT FOR SOMETHING LIKE PARTS OF IT FLYING OFF IN THE WINTER.
THERE WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS.
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SO MANY WAYS.I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING COMING TO US ON THE POT.
ANYTIME NOW THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR OLD BUSINESS, OTHER BUSINESS.
I YOU'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY.
MY NAME I HAVE TO COME TO LIGHT FOR, LIKE, BUT I KNOW THAT ALL ITS PROPERTIES, ONE WARRANT, HERITAGE SOCIETIES, I REALIZE AND ALL THAT.
THERE GOT PJ STANLEY FOR FOUR MEMBER ME THAT HE'S GONNA WORK ON.
JUST FIXING ONE 90, SOME SPOTS ON IT.
LIKE, WELL THE SOFFITS REPAIR IT'S GOING TO BE, THEY MAY NOT.
IT'S GOING TO BE LIKED FOR LIKE, YEAH.
THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS FIXING THEIR STUFF UP ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ROUGHLY APPROVED WHAT LAST MONTH? YEAH.
I THINK THEY JUST FINISHED IT UP TODAY.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION THEN TO ADJOURN? IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.