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THE MOST PROMINENT[Board of Architectural Review on September 9, 2020.]
PROBLEM, PROMINENT EXAMPLES OF IT, ADAPTIVE, REUSE.UH, IT WAS CONSTRUCTED AS THE ROLE OF PHYSICAL METHODIST CHURCH IN 1879 TO REPLACE THE PREVIOUS WOOD STRUCTURE.
AND SO THEN IT WAS, THEY, THE FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE DL ICE CREAM IS NOW WAS ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL CHURCH STRUCTURE.
AND, AND IN 1908, THAT BECAME THE MOVIE THEATER.
AND THEN, UH, SO, AND THE NEXT DAY YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE CHURCH THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE.
AND YOU CAN STILL SEE THAT THERE, THE WINDOWS ARE STILL THERE, BUT THE FRONT OF IT AND THE STEEPLE AREN'T, THEY WERE REPLACED BY THE WORD DEAL.
ICE CREAM IS TO MAKE A THEATER.
AND THEN IN THE, AND THEN, UH, ABOUT 20 YEARS, LESS THAN 20 YEARS LATER, IT BECAME A VAUDEVILLE THEATER.
AND THEY BUILT THE PROP TOWER THAT MADE US PLAY BLOCKS.
AND IT'S, IT'S, UH, 70 SOME FEET TALL AND THEY LOWERED THE PROPS.
YOU CAN STILL SEE THE LADDER UP INSIDE THEM AND EVERYTHING, BUT IN TODAY'S WORLD, PROP TOWERS ARE FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE.
THEY, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, HAVING A 38 FOOT INTERIOR SQUARE SPACE GOING UP 70 FEET IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
UM, AND THEN IN THE FIFTIES AND FIFTIES, THEY ADDED THAT THEY ADDED ADDITIONAL ROOMS ON THE BACK OF THE THEATER.
AND THAT WAS THEN, AND MOVIE THEATERS STARTING AFTER WORLD WAR II.
IT WAS A MOVIE THEATER, UH, FIRST HAVING SOLIDS AND THEN, AND THEN, AND POPPIES.
AND, UH, THE, UH, I WENT THROUGH A MOVIE THERE WHEN I WAS A KID I'M OLD.
SO, UH, AND THE, UH, THE BUILDING BEING 38 FEET SQUARE, THE PROP TOWER ON THE INSIDE AND NOT BEING STRAIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SQUARE AND STRAIGHT.
IT'S LIKE I HAVE TO SELL IT TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND ANY PRODUCTIVE USE YOU CAN DO IN TODAY'S WORLD WITH THAT.
UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MUCH MORE MODERN WAYS AND EFFICIENT WAYS OF, UH, MOVING PROPS BUILDING ITSELF.
I THINK THAT WAS IN THE TWENTIES.
I MEAN, ERIC, WHEN HE WAS PROBABLY EARLY TWENTIES, EARLY TWENTIES.
AND THAT'S WHEN THEY, IT WAS A BALL BUILT THEATER ACTUALLY.
UH, AND THERE'S, UH, GARY HAS ONE LITTLE ROOM.
YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH THAT, A LADDER THERE, THIS STILL HAS SOME POSTERS AND THINGS THAT HAPPENS WELL.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PAGE YEAH.
YOU LOOK AT THIS PAGE, LET'S SEE THAT THE BEST ONE.
WELL, THAT ONE YOU'D HAVE RIGHT THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PAGE, THIS GIVES YOU THIS NEW MEMORANDUM, THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING IN YOUR, IN A NUTSHELL, IT HAS THE PART THAT WAS ADDED ON TO TURN THE CHURCH INTO A THEATER.
AND THAT WAS DONE WHEN THEY BUILT THE CURRENT, UH, METHODIST CHURCH HERE, OR MAN, AND ROYAL.
AND SO, UH, SO THAT WAS THERE AND HE GOES UP IN THIS THING, IT'S JUST HARD TO SPACE AND, UH, IT'S REALLY NICE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NEXT SECTION BACK OF THE BRICK.
AND THEN BEHIND THAT BEGINS THE CLAY BLOCK, WHICH WAS PROBABLY LOCALLY MADE OUT OF LOCAL CLAY.
UH, AND THEN BEHIND THAT THEY ADDED ON IN THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES AND SIXTIES, ADDITIONAL ROOMS AT NORTHERN, I THINK, NO I'VE BEEN DAILY WARM PRESS, PRESS.
BECKY POE WAS THERE AND, UH, FAMOUS LOCALLY.
AND, UH, THEY, UH, YEAH, TED BRONZEVILLE, BECKY DID EULOGY AT MY MOTHER'S FUNERAL, BUT THEY WERE, UH, AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF MEMORY, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THERE HASN'T REALLY BEEN ANY FUNCTIONAL BUSINESSES DOWN CHURCH STREET FOR A LONG TIME ON THAT SECTION, RIGHT THERE, EXCEPT THERE'S ONE OR TWO PLACES IN THE, IN THE OLD, UH, BUILDING ACROSS THE CHURCH STREET FROM THIS BUILDING.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES IN THERE, BUT THERE IS BUILDING THIS BUILDING IS GROSSLY UNDERUTILIZED.
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IT, NOW I SOLD A SIMILAR SIZE BUILDING.THIS ONE'S PROBABLY, UM, THE BUILDING WHERE THE BREWERY IS.
I BROUGHT THE BREWERY PEOPLE IN WITH THE BARNHARTS THAT I HAD SOLD THEM, THAT BUILDING AND THAT BUILDING WAS BRINGING IN AT THAT TIME.
EVERYTHING B EXCEPT FOR THE STOREFRONTS WAS PRETTY MUCH A WAREHOUSE IN THE BACK.
IT, IT HAD THE SAME, UH, NINE INCH SQUARE TILE OVER CONCRETE FLOOR THAT, THAT HAD BEEN THERE EVER SINCE IT SEEMS TO BE A MODEL T DEALERSHIP.
UH, AND SO IT WAS GROSSLY UNDERUSED.
NOW YOU CAN SEE IT'S VERY PRODUCTIVE.
IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT WAS, BUT IT HAS A NEW GENERATION ON YOU REPURPOSING AND HISTORY FOR THE TOWN AND, UH, GENERATING PEOPLE, CUSTOMERS, AND A QUALITY OF LIFE DOWNTOWN.
UH, THE, UM, THIS BUILDING SHOULD BE GENERATING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TAX BASE AND INCOME THAT THIS WOULD BE OUR VISION FOR IT IS TO HAVE DOWN CHURCH STREET IS TO HAVE THAT BE ALL RETAIL.
AND IT'S, UH, AND SO THE GROUND FLOOR WOULD BE ALL RETAIL, EITHER ENTERING FROM CHURCH STREET OR IN, INTO A COMMON LOBBY ENTRANCE AND GOING DOWN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE STORES OR BOTH THAT WAY WE COULD USE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T JUST HAVE LONG NARROW, UH, STORES, STOREFRONTS, ALL THEIR EXTERIOR ACCESS TO ANY GROUND FORCE.
I DIDN'T SAY, UM, I, WE DON'T KNOW YET.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS THE REASON WE'RE HERE, WE HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE HAVE TO GO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU, BUT WE ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT TO GO TO A PLANNING COMMISSION WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO THINK IS APPROPRIATE, USEFUL.
DO YOU ALL NEED TO BE RESILIENT? NOT, YEAH.
IT WOULD BE WHERE THE USES THAT ARE PROPOSED CURRENTLY, IT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE APARTMENT USE, THAT'S BEING BROKEN.
IT'S CURRENTLY HAS APARTMENTS AND IT CURRENTLY HAD APARTMENTS AND EVERYTHING THE MORE BACK.
AND, UH, AND GARY BOUGHT THAT ORIGINALLY.
HE HAD HIS OFFICES, HIS COMPANY WAS LOCATED IN THE BUILDING.
SO, UH, BUT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT TRIGGERS US HAVING TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS CAUSE IT, IT ALREADY HAS APARTMENTS.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST BUILD IT OUT, LIKE IT IS THEN AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD BE, IF WE DIDN'T TEAR ANYTHING DOWN, THEN WE COULD GO AHEAD AND HAVE MORE APARTMENTS IN IT AND MORE RETAIL.
BUT SINCE WE THINK THE, MAKE IT, THE BUILDING REALLY PRODUCTIVE AND MAKE IT AND MAKE IT A GOOD ADDITION TO THE DOWNTOWN TO HAVE MORE RE, BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE RETAIL THERE, THAT THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO TAKE IT.
HOW, HOW MUCH ARE YOU PROPOSING TO HAVE SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE? WELL, WE WOULD, WE WOULD KEEP THE BUILDING.
THE BUILDING WOULD FALL IN THE SAME, UH, SPECIAL USE 70 FOOT PERMIT.
IT'S CURRENTLY OVER 70 FLIP, BUT, AND, UH, AND THE STAFF HAS TOLD US THAT, THAT IF WE TAKE IT DOWN THAT IT'S NO LONGER GRANDFATHERED AT 70, BUT WE HAVE TO GET, TAKE IT BACK UP.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
BUT YOU ARE DOING SOME ADDITIONS.
ALL THE ADDITIONS ARE MADE OUT OF FREIGHT CONTAINERS.
AND, UH, AND THEY ARE, UM, YEAH, THEY ARE, UM, ACTUALLY THERE'S CURRENTLY A COMPANY.
UH, THEY DON'T ADVERTISE THEIR LOCATION, BUT THEY'RE CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THE TOWN IN FRONT OF OIL THAT MANUFACTURERS FREIGHT CONTAINERS FOR THE MILITARY TO THE POOR LIVING QUARTER.
AND, UH, CHRIS ROCK LIVED IN SUCH AN APARTMENT BUILDING IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ.
AND HE SAID, YOU COULDN'T TELL BY BEING IN HIS APARTMENT OR, OR A RIDING AROUND AT MOUNT SIDE THAT IT WAS JUST NOT A REGULAR APARTMENT BUILDING.
SO IT'S JUST AN EFFICIENT WAY BECAUSE SINCE THOSE THINGS CAN BE, ARE THERE THEY'RE WAY TO BUILD IT AND DO THAT.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS CREATE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE A START UP HOUSING FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO BE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO AFFORD AND HAVE IT PLACE.
AND WE'RE LOOKING SINCE IT'LL HAVE PROBABLY ABOUT THREE ELEVATORS IN IT.
WE WERE LOOKING TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THE ELDERLY IN, IN FRONT ROW AND WARREN COUNTY, SOMETHING BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND ASSISTED LIVING.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE CURRENTLY LOSING THEM AT BREATHTAKING SPEED, JUST
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DRAWS BERGEN HAS PATIO HOMES AND STUFF.BUT A LOT OF THAT STUFF HAD TO, INTO LAKE, UH, FREDERICK AND TO STEPHEN CITY AND TO ALL THE OTHER PLACES, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT HOUSING HERE.
SO, AND WE, AND WE ALSO WANT TO CREATE CUSTOMERS FOR THE DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL BY HAVING THE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING PLACES FOR PEOPLE DOWN HERE TO SHOP AT THE SHOPS AND ADD TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
UH, THE, UM, YEAH, CURRENTLY THIS IS THE REAR VIEW OF THE BUILDING.
AND YOU HAVE PICTURES THERE IN YOUR HAND TO SHOW THE FUTURE VIEW BUILDING AND MY DOING RESTORATIONS AND DOING CHANGES ON BUILDINGS IS, UM, I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO FOLLOW THE ARCHITECTURAL PRACTICES OF MAKING THE ADDITIONS, NOT PRETEND TO BE THE OLD THING.
AND SO THAT THEY, YOU, YOU EITHER FEEL THE DIFFERENCE.
YOU EITHER SUBVERT INTO IT OR YOU, OR YOU USE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, AND WE, WE ARE OPEN TO COLORS, CHANGES, AND IDEAS.
WE, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, THAT KIND OF THING, BUT WE WOULD LIKE THAT IT TO BE A VERY SAFE, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENT BUILDING AND TO HAVE, UH, AND TO HAVE COMMON AREAS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND, AND EMPLOYEE STAFF 24 HOUR LOBBY.
AND YOU HAVE TO GET ENOUGH NUMBERS TO MAKE THAT WORK.
I'M GOING TO SAY SOMEWHERE, UH, WHAT WERE, WE'RE THINKING 60 TO 80 WAS JUST A THOUGHT, BUT IF YOU BREAK SOME, SOME OF THEM OUT INTO OTHER THINGS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO PUT INTO THEM, AS FAR AS OFFICE SPACE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BILL TALKED ABOUT WAS THE ORIGINAL, UM, UH, CHURCH ON THAT ONE SIDE THAT YOU HAD, THE WALL WILL BE MAINTAINING THAT WALL.
AND ACTUALLY YOU CAN PUT THAT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, BECAUSE WHAT THEY DID ALL THE WAYS, THEY BUILT A STEP UP INTO ONE OF THE WINDOWS, BUT WE'VE GOT BRICKS AND WINDOWS ACTUALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT WE COULD TAKE OUT AND ACTUALLY BRING THEM TO THIS SIDE TO MAKE IT ALMOST ORIGINAL.
FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY SAKE AND EVERYTHING.
SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO BE PRETTY CREATIVE TO DEAL WITH AND HAVE, UH, CAUSE I LIKE, I LOVE OLD GLASS LEVEL WINDOWS, BUT I LIKE TO STAY WARM IN THE WINTER AND COOL IN THE SUMMER.
FIRST TIME I LIKED NOW THE LAST ALMOST 17 YEARS, I'VE ACTUALLY LIVED IN A HOUSE IT'S UNDER, UNDER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
SO WHERE IS EVERYONE PARKING? THAT'S GOING TO LIVE HERE? WELL, FIRST MAIN STREET PROPERTIES ARE EXEMPT FROM PARK.
WHY? NO, BUT I'M JUST
BUT THIS WOULD BE, IF YOU'RE DOING THIS RESIDENTIAL, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE EXEMPTION THERE.
SO I MEAN, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE TWO VEHICLES.
THEY'RE GOING TO WANT, THEY'RE GOING TO READ, THERE'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMS THERE THAT ARE PART OF, YOU KNOW,
I KNOW, REGARDLESS OF THE USE OF THE BUILDING, ANY BUILDING FRONTING MAIN STREET FROM ROYAL TO HAPPY CREEK ITSELF, RUNNING MAIN STREET IS EXEMPT REGARDLESS OF THE USE.
SO IT'S JACKSON STREET BETWEEN CHURCH AND ROYAL AND CHESTER STREET BETWEEN THE LARA, VIRGINIA HALAN AND MAY HAVE ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR DEMOLISHING A PORTION OF A PROPERTY TO DO LIKE A TWO, THREE STORY APARTMENT.
AND WE WALK THE SITE AS A GROUP FOR ONE OF OUR MEETINGS THAT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED.
AND WE THINK PARKING WAS A BIG HURDLE.
JUST, WE JUST KNOW IT'S A HURDLE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING,
WE'RE PREPARED TO BE ADDRESSED, ADDRESS, ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'VE KNOWN SINCE BEFORE WALKED IN THE DOOR, YOU MIGHT RUN INTO TROUBLE IN TWO OR THREE PLANNERS AGO.
YOU MAY RUN INTO TROUBLE WHEN YOU START BREAKING GROUND THERE TOO.
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YEAH.WE'RE, WE'RE PREPARED THAT WE KNOW, WE KNOW THE RENDERING, THE BIKES I USED TO GET THE CEMETERY POTENTIAL ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY.
RIGHT? WELL, THEY DUG THEM UP BY HAND AND 1890S MOVING ACROSS.
BUT YET THEY DID NOT FIND ALL THE BODIES.
I KNOW CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL IN THE GROUND THERE.
MA'AM WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING RIGHT NOW IT'S DESIGNED WITH ONE SECTION BEING 70 FEET TALL.
AND THE OTHER BEING A LITTLE SHORTER IS ALL IT'S IN MATH.
IT'S MUCH LARGER THAN THIS ONE, OBVIOUSLY 70 FOOT TALL BOX SECTION.
SO IF YOU SEE ON THIS PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PICTURE THAT IT IS NOT A, IT'S NOT A TERRIFIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT.
YOU GO IN THERE AND I MEAN, YOUR FEELINGS ARE IN THAT FRONT PART OF HER RIGHT THERE, TALL 18, 20 FEET TALL, IT'S GOT THREE FLOORS.
SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S OVER 60 FEET.
I THINK THE CONCERN WE'RE RAISING IS THAT IT'S, IT DOESN'T SEEM AS TALL WHEN IT'S ONLY A SMALL PORTION, BUT AS SOON AS YOU BLOW THAT UP TO A SOLID MASK FRONT TO BACK, RIGHT.
IT COULD BE VERY OVERWHELMING.
MY FIRST THOUGHT OF THIS REALLY, I WALKED THE SITE EARLIER.
MY ONE OF MY FIRST CONCERN WAS THE SMALL CHURCH ON CHURCH STREET.
I, I WOULD BE VERY AFRAID THAT THIS MASSIVE WALL WOULD JUST BE SO OVERPOWERING AND PUTTING THIS TINY LITTLE CHURCH IN A BOX THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS AND LOOKING AT ONE OF THE RENDERINGS HERE WITH ONLY A SIDE, LITTLE STEP THERE'S NO DOORS.
SO NOW RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT, THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THIS CHURCH IS THIS MONOLITHIC WALL OF IMPENETRABLE.
IT WOULD BE THE WINDOWS AND DOORS DOWN THERE.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULD HAVE EVERYTHING WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR FIRE AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO WINDOWS AND DOORS, ONE UP FRONT AND DOORS AND ACCESS AND PEDESTRIAN.
THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY, MY CONCERNS IS JUST TO, I KEPT THINKING, I WISH YOU THE STOREFRONT.
SO TO WAIT, WE, WE JUST WANTED TO DRAW THE LINE AT THROWING MONEY AT THE ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS UNTIL WE GOT TO IDEAS BECAUSE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU AND WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND REVISIT.
YOU CAN JUST BLOW A LOT OF MONEY WITH ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS TRYING TO GET THEM TO COME UP WITH, WELL, HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT? HEY, YOU LIKE THAT? AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO GET ALL OF OUR INPUT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S LIKE HAVING LONG CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR LAWYER.
IN ADDITION, I HAVE THE PLANT RIGHT HERE ON MY COMPUTER.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE PARTICULARLY LIKED ABOUT THAT ADDITION WAS THE NEW EDITION AND THE OLD EDITION DIDN'T JUST QUITE BUTT UP AGAINST EACH OTHER.
THERE WAS LIKE A, NOT SO MUCH A SET BACK, BUT THERE WAS A CHANGE.
THIS MOVIE, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE, I SEE THE OLD CHURCH AND THAT GRAY BEING ON THE SAME PLANE, JUST ONE PATCHWORK WALL.
OF COURSE, CURRENTLY YOU HAVE THE, THE NEWER THEATER AND THE OLD CHURCH WITH CONTRACTING MATERIALS ARE FLOODING UP AGAINST EACH OTHER IN A WAY IT IS RIGHT.
WE, UH, BUT THE LINDA KIND OF MAT SHIT OPENS IT QUICKLY.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD JUST BE AN OLDER BRICK, NEWER BRICK.
IT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS I'M SAYING.
WE PUT A PLAN IN FOR A BIG RADICAL ADDITION.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE DESIGN FEATURES THAT HOW WAS THAT SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS AS AN OBSERVER, WHEN THEY WERE PRESENTING DURING THE PRESENTATION FOR THE, UH, FOR THE AFTERNOON AND THEN THE TOWN, AND THEN THE TOWN ASKED ME WHEN A LOT OF THESE BAD THINGS CAME DOWN AND EVERYTHING ASKED ME TO GO OVER THE PLANS FOR THEM.
AND THEY SENT ME ALL THE PLANS AND THE CONTRACTS AND DESIGN WORK AND EVERYTHING ON IT.
I WAS JUST DOING IT BECAUSE THEY SAID, WOULD YOU HELP US? YEAH.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO GET SOME IDEAS
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ABOUT HOW TO, HOW TO DO THAT.WE'RE WE ARE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EGO INVESTED IN THE COLORS OR THE TEXTURES OR THE, UH, YOU KNOW, OR THE, OR THE SHAPE OF THE WINDOWS, AS LONG AS THE SIZE WORKS WITHIN THE PLAN.
AND WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT STUFF.
THERE'S A PROJECT THAT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.
UM, ON THE BACK OF THE WALKING BALL, WINCHESTER, I JUST HAPPENED TO SEE IT SATURDAY OR WHATEVER.
OVER THE WEEKEND I CAME AROUND THE CORNER, I LOOKED UP AND THERE WAS THIS BIG, VERY CONTEMPORARY ADDITION RIGHT.
ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND IT WAS DONE WELL.
SO IT USED TO BE A HOTEL ORIGINALLY.
IT REMINDS ME OF THAT VERY MUCH SO.
I'LL BE HONEST FOR ME LIKE THIS STUFF.
IT JUST, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SHOPS AND ACCESS FROM THE STREET, BUT THAT STREET USES MORE OF MY CONCERN.
I THINK WAY, I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A BIG FAN OF, I KNOW THAT IF THEY, IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON THE BOTTOM, NOT SO MUCH WINDOWS, BUT LIKE DOORS
LIKE I'M THINKING LIKE ACTUAL SHOWER ENTRANCES.
I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY DOORS
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHURCH STREET, UH, MADE, UH, MADE FOR, YOU KNOW, EARLY MORNING DELIVERIES.
AND AFTER THAT WALKING ONLY, CAUSE I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE IT'LL GET PEOPLE TO UTILIZE THE PARKING ON JACKSON STREET, MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY.
AND SO, UH, AND ACTUALLY TOURISTS USE JACKSON STREET QUITE A BIT.
IT'S THE LOCALS WHO DON'T WANT TO WALK DOWN TO GET THE JACKSON STREET.
SO, AND SO IT NEEDS GOOD LIGHTING.
I DON'T LET MY KIDS GO DOWN THERE.
I THINK THAT THE TURN OFF OF MAIN STREET, I SAW SOME VEHICLES TODAY.
IT'S A REALLY TIGHT TURN WITH SOME, SOME BOLLARDS AND NO ONE'S LIKE SPEEDING DOWN THAT STREET FOR SURE.
UNDER UTILIZED AS A IS A VERY GOOD ADJECTIVE.
IT'S UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF SERVING THE SAME PURPOSE, THE BUILDING WHERE THE BREWERY IS.
IT'S A LOT OF IT IS USED AS WAREHOUSE AND HAVING WAREHOUSES ON MAIN STREET, ISN'T REALLY PRODUCTIVE FOR THE OWNER.
IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE FOR THE TOWN.
AND WE HAD VERY FEW PLACES LEFT TO ATTRACT NEW RETAIL ON MAIN STREET.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME EMPTY SHOPS, BUT MOST OF THEM ACTUALLY ARE IN A TRANSITIONAL THING, GETTING DONE WITH SOMETHING THAT GOT SOLD A LOT OF THEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE BEING USED FOR.
I THINK, UH, GARY, I KNOW GARY AGREE.
HE ABSOLUTELY ONCE THAT HAVE SHOPPED ALL THE WAY DOWN FOR SURE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S NEVER BEEN ANY PLANS FOR THAT.
OTHER THAN WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE INTERIOR IS THAT WE CAN'T HAVE SHOP HINDRANCES ON THE BILL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
BECAUSE IT COMES UP CLOSE THE SHULS OKAY.
BUT WE CAN HAVE WINDOWS AND STUFF THERE, BUT, AND THEN, SO WE CAN HAVE A CENTRAL CORRIDOR DOWN THE MIDDLE INSIDE THE BUILDING THAT YOU CAN ACCESS THOSE OTHER SHOPS AS WELL.
IS YOUR BUILDING OVER YOUR PROPERTY ROOM? NO, I MEAN, IS IT CURRENTLY, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE IT WAS SURVEY.
IF THERE'S THERE'S ROOM THAT THAT'S GREAT.
YOU COULD ENCOURAGE THE TRAFFIC AND THE PEOPLE TO GO DOWN AND AROUND.
AND IF YOUR STORES HAD LIKE FRONT AND BACK DOORS WHERE YOU COULD GO THROUGH, UM, IT WOULD REMIND ME VERY MUCH OF THE BAKERY AND THE BREWERY AND THAT SHARED HALLWAY.
UM, CAUSE THERE, YOU ACTUALLY WENT INTO THE, I MEAN, I CAN SEE IF YOU HAVE SHOPS LINING HERE IN THE CENTRAL CORRIDOR AND THEN ANOTHER ROW OF SHOPS, YOU COULD GET TWO SETS.
IT'S UH, I THINK IT COULD, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO MAKE IT VERY INTERESTING.
OR EVEN IF THERE WAS AN ENTRANCE FROM CHURCH STREET THAT JUST CUT THROUGH MAYBE TWO DIFFERENT SHOPS TO GET TO THAT CENTRAL CORD OR I THINK AS LONG AS THERE'S SOMETHING ON CHURCH STREET, JUST SO THE
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CHURCH ISN'T FAKING BECAUSE I LIVED ON CHURCH STREET, I LIVED ON CHURCH STREET.I JUST SOLD THE HOUSE LAST YEAR THAT I BOUGHT IN 1972 FIRST HOUSE I EVER BOUGHT.
AT LEAST ONE ENTRANCE ON CHURCH STREET AND POSSIBLY MORE.
YEAH, BECAUSE AGAIN, DRINKING CAN DETERMINED, I GUESS THE, UH, IT GOES TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
IT'S GOING TO SAY, IS THIS GOING TO FIT IN HERE OR AWARE OF IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT STEP WHEREVER THAT'S OUT.
SO ALL I CAN REALLY SAY IS THAT WE CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU THE EXACT WHAT ANYTHING IS AT THIS POINT UNTIL WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
SO WE, WE JUST WANT YOUR COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE THIS BE A BETTER, YOU THINK WOULD BE A BETTER FIT IN FRONT OF BOILS AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE YET, BUT, UH, UH, GARY GARY'S BEEN, GARY HAS BEEN HERE OR YOU'RE ABOUT NEXT DOOR IN RAPPAHANNOCK, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER.
SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE INVESTED IN, WE'RE INVESTED IN THIS KIND OF STUFF I'VE DONE DOING SINCE HE WAS A KID THAT'S A LONG TIME, ANYTHING SCREAMING AT YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD NOT ACCESS.
I MEAN, I'M CURIOUS TO SEE HOW PLANNING YEAH.
AND YOU NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU'RE USING IT.
I'M JUST, JUST SAYING THAT THE THINGS THAT I SAID, THE TROUBLES THAT COULD ARISE, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THEY WOULD, BUT THEY COULD, I'VE GOT A MILLION QUESTIONS.
I'M JUST SAYING THE TROUBLES THAT COULD ARISE.
THE SCALE IS A BIT, BUT LET ME TELL YOU A STORY.
I DIDN'T MEAN THE, UH, YOU KNOW, DOING RENOVATION AND RESTORATION AND THAT WAS NOT A WEAK HEART AND YOU, AND YOU EXPECT SURPRISES.
UH, SO, UH, AND UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU GOTTA BE SURPRISED WHEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE, GET THROUGH THAT, UH, HEAVY TIMBERS THEY PUT IN FRONT OF THE WARREN PRESS.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I DID, I DID WIRING AND PLUMBING AND REDOING ON A, ON A 1700 LOG HOUSE.
AND FIRST THING I ALWAYS HAD, I GOT REALLY GOOD WITH WOOD CHISELS AND ALLS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST PART OF IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
THAT'S ALL THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF TIMBERS.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING AS IT EXISTS NOW, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF WEIGHT UP TOP AND IT ACTUALLY SENDS OUT FIVE AND, AND UH, IT'S LIKE, IT'S KINDA PUSH IT OUT A LITTLE BIT TOO.
AND UM, WELL I'M SURE THE TIMBERS, UM, WELL THE TIMBERS ARE GONNA HAVE SOME BAGS.
YOU COULD SELL THAT FOR SOMETHING.
UM, IF WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT, UH, I'VE DONE THAT, LIKE THE HOUSE DOWN ON THAT 50 CHESTER STREET THAT, UH, I, I WENT AND WENT TO A BARN YARD.
A GUY TOLD ME I HAD, HE HAD SOME THERE AND I WAS WELCOMED TO IT AND I DUG THROUGH THREE OR FOUR FEET OF THEM IN EUROPE AND PULLED OUT THAT RIGHT ARM MADE BY, MADE BY, UH, A FOUNDRY THAT, UH, MAKES ACTUALLY MADE THE STUFF ON THE STREET YOU LIVE IN.
AND THE GRAY AVENUE, UH, ALL THAT IS MADE BY AN IRONWORKS IN COVINGTON, KENTUCKY, AND THEY'RE STILL IN EXISTENCE.
UH, AND NOT THE BRICK CAME OUT OF WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AT RMA.
THEY HAD THE MALAR BONE UP THERE THAT HAD BURNT.
AND I BOUGHT THE BRICK FROM THEM AND MADE UP A RIG IN THE BACKYARD THAT I COULD RUN THEIR BRICKS THROUGH TO GET THE OLD CONCRETE OFF AND BUILT THOSE THERE.
AND THEN SOME OF THE OLD TIMERS CAME BY AND TOLD ME, MAN, YOU PUT THAT BACK JUST THE WAY IT WAS WHEN I WAS KID.
AND OF COURSE IT WASN'T, THERE WAS A BLACKSMITH SHOP BACK BEHIND WHICH I DID BUILD.
BUT, UH, SO YEAH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN REPURPOSE.
AND IF IT CAN'T BE REPURPOSED, GARY AND I BOTH HAVE FARMS AND NEED SOME LANDFILL HERE AND THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPENDING $70 A TON TO TAKE IT TO THE LANDFILL BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOOD, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T DO THE LAND BUILDING.
AND, AND SO YOU TRY TO, AND WARREN COUNTY ALLOWS THAT.
SO, UM, WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT, AT THE TOP OF THIS BUILDING TOO, BECAUSE YOU SAID SIX DOOR.
IF YOU GET UP THAT HIGH, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME, SOME VISIBILITY HERE AND WE'RE GOING
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TO GET TO SEE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF SKYLINE DRIVE, AND I KNOW WE'LL SEE PROSPECT HILL, WE'LL SEE, WE'LL SEE, UH, SEVERAL PLACES AROUND TOWN THAT ARE HISTORIC.UM, AND SO IT'S ALMOST TO THE POINT TO THAT.
I ENVISIONED WORKING WITH THE TOWN THAT THEY HAVE SOMETHING ACTUALLY WITHIN THE BUILDING, UH, WHERE SOME OFFICE OF SOME SORT, UH, FOR THE HISTORIC PORTION OF THIS AND THAT IT BECOMES A PLACE THAT YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND YOU'RE SEEING ALL THESE SHOPS AND, AND, AND ENJOY THE HOOD.
BUT YOU'RE ALSO, YOU'RE GOING UP TO THE UPPER LEVEL AND WE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GO ALL THE WAY UP.
WELL, ALSO MAINTAINING THE SECURITY FOR THE PEOPLE INSIDE.
SO THERE HAD TO BE TWO ELEVATORS FOR THAT SORT OF SCENARIO.
AND THEN, UH, YEAH, ONE THING GO OUT AND SEE IT.
WHAT DOES HE HAVE, WHAT YOU WOULD THINK OF THAT IS, UH, I HAVE A CLIENT IN THE HAPPY CREEK INDUSTRIAL PARK I RECRUITED FROM NORTH CAROLINA BECOME A GOOD FRIEND, BUT HE MET MANUFACTURERS GLOW IN THE DARK AND STUFF IN THE HAPPY CREEK, INDUSTRIAL PARK IN FRONT OF WALL.
AND IT'S ON, GETS USED ON MILITARY VEHICLES IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.
HE MAKES A VERSION, YOU CAN ONLY SEE 50 FEET AWAY AND IT'S, AND IT BLOWS GREEN.
SO THE SNIPERS CAN'T SEE IT AND DO IT.
AND THEN HE MAKES LIKE THE MGM CASINO.
I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, BUT MY GRANDSON HELPED HIM ON THAT.
AND ALL THE, ALL THE SAFETY, THE EXIT SIGNS AND ALL THAT ARE GLOW IN THE DARK DON'T REQUIRE BATTERIES, DON'T REQUIRE TESTING FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
AND, UH, HE MAKES THAT, AND HE MAKES THE SAFETY THINGS THAT GO IN THE NOSING OF THE STAIRWAY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN, AND HANDRAILS AND PANIC BARS AND RINGS AROUND DOOR KNOBS AND ON INSTRUCTIONS TO SET, SHUT DOWN, UH, EQUIPMENT AND STUFF.
IN CASE OF EMERGENCIES, BRAILLE, HE CAN PRINT BROWN AND HE DOES A FIRE, UH, FLOOR PLANTS AND THINGS AS WELL, BUT HE CAN MAKE, HE HAS A SIX FOOT PRINTER THAT MULTIMEDIA PRINTER.
AND SO HE CAN PRINT ON METAL LIKE STAINLESS STEEL OR ALUMINUM OR ANY OTHER MEDIA.
I WANT HIM TO GARY AND I HAVE DISCUSSED HAVING TAKEN SOME OF THE PICTURES OF THE HISTORY OF, AND TAKING PICTURES BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING TO IT NOW.
SO THEY COULD BE LIKE, WHEN YOU WENT DOWN CHURCH STREET, IT TELLS A STORY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BE ACTUALLY LIKE, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE MURALS OR THEY COULD BE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT ARE WEATHER MAY BE ABLE TO USE SOME OF THOSE OLD POSTERS IN THE LOBBY OF THE BUILDING, IN THE LOBBY OF THE BUILDING.
WE ALSO TALKED TO, UH, THE PEOPLE WITH THE AR CLOUDS DOWN, AND THEN IT TALKED ABOUT DOING SOMETHING DOWN CHURCH STREET TO, UH, THAT WOULD BE, I GUESS, RELATED TO CHURCHES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, UM, WAS, UH, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TOO FAR IN DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE OF STEP ONE YET.
YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT IT IS WHAT HAPPENED ON SAY CHESTER STREET IN 1983, IT WAS ONE OF THE ROUGHEST LOOKING STREETS AND DOWN, IT WAS LOADED WITH VACANT BUILDING BUILDINGS AND MOST OF THE DECADES, SOME, A LOT LONGER.
AND, UH, THE HOUSE I BOUGHT AND LIVED IN TODAY, 50 JUSTICE STREET IS A WOOD HOUSE AND IT HADN'T BEEN PAINTED SINCE BEFORE WORLD WAR TWO, WHEN I BOUGHT IT, IT LOOKED LIKE THE HOUSE ON IT.
IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE WHERE YOU MAKE A WISH AND THROW A ROCK THROUGH THE WINDOWS.
JUST TELL ME WHY YOU'RE TOO YOUNG FOR THAT.
BUT, AND, UM, THE PORTRAITS WERE FALLING OFF THE CHIMNEY FOR LAYING OVER ON THE ROOF.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT I LIKED, I LIKED THE HOUSE.
I'D EATEN CHRISTMAS DINNER THERE SOME YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS IN RADIOLOGY SCHOOL.
AND SO, UM, THEY, UH, BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS BY THE TIME WE HAD DONE RESTORED THE SEVENTH BUILDING ON CHESTER STREET, IT REDUCED THE RISK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND THEN EVERYBODY STARTS FIXING UP THEIR BUILDINGS AND THEN THE TOWN SAW, WOW, WE'VE GOT THESE SIDEWALKS THAT DO THIS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE, THAT WOULD REALLY LOOK LIKE THE OVERHEAD WIRING THAT WAS ON CHESTER STREET AT THAT TIME.
AND IT WAS KIND OF CHURCH, YOU KNOW, HAD SOME IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT CAN BE IMPROVED, YOU KNOW, AND PARTICULARLY FROM THE REAR OF IT, WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHAT THE TOWN AND THE, AND THE, UH, FIRING FIRE, BUILDING INSPECTORS GONNA DO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL ADDRESS ALL THOSE THINGS WE WANT TO, WE WANT IT TO LOOK, YOU KNOW, VERY GOOD.
MOST OF THE BUILDINGS FOR THIS BUILDING ALREADY ARE A LOT OF, THERE ARE SOME THAT'S ABOVE GROUND, BUT MOST OF IT ALREADY IS.
UM, AND SO THE IDEA IS IN, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME PHILOSOPHY THAT I'VE TALKED TO BARNHARTS
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AND THE MCDOUGALS AND SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT I SOLD BUILDINGS TO, I SAID, ONCE AGAIN, BEFORE ANYBODY STARTED BUYING AND BUILDING, I GOT THEM TOGETHER IN SEPARATE GROUPS AT ONE THING, ONCE YOU START FIXING UP, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO FIX UP AND THEN IT'LL IMPROVE YOUR INVESTMENT, YOU KNOW? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN THAT PART TOO.IF YOU HAD THIS MANY APARTMENTS FULL AND YOU'VE GOT SHOPS, THAT'S DEFINITELY.
AND WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF THE PARKING ISN'T PRACTICAL, THEN YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO HAVE A MARKETABLE PRODUCT, WE GOT TO HAVE IT SO THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE THERE, THAT THEY'RE SHUTTING THE STREETS ON THE WEEKENDS.
SO, UM, YEAH, BUT THAT'S, UH, THE MARKETING STUFF AND THE HAND AND THE PLANNING, FINANCIAL PLANNING, WE CAN DO THAT.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
WE JUST, BUT RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE KIND OF PROUD OF LOOK FORWARD TO SOME, YOU KNOW, BEING READY, READY THOSE OUT OF THE ROOM, OR, YOU KNOW, NO, FOR THE MOST PART WE'RE, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT WE'RE SCREAMING, YOU KNOW, DON'T DO THIS STOP.
UM, CAUSE WE WE'VE SEEN SOMETHING SIMILAR AND WE'VE APPROVED SOMETHING SIMILAR BEFORE AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
SO AS FAR AS YOUR GENERAL IDEA, YOUR CONCEPT, YOUR DIRECTION, I WOULD SAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD.
THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME DESIGN TWEAKS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BUT YOU, YOU HAVE TO GET ENGINEERING MONEY FOR THAT.
WELL, YEAH, BUT I MEAN, AS FAR AS COLORS, AS FAR AS TEXTURE, THAT KIND OF STUFF, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, CAUSE YOU HAVE TO INSULATE THE CONTAINERS AND YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THAT STUFF AND EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ACCORDING TO HEALTH AND FIRE CODE.
SO, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE APPLYING, I MEAN, THIS RENDITION SHOWS, IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT SEEING THE SIDES OF ANY CONTAINERS THAT THERE'S ALREADY STUFF APPLIED TO IT.
SO, UH, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT WHAT IT OUGHT TO BE OR, YOU KNOW, SO YOUR STRONGEST FEELING IS DON'T TRY TO MATCH THE BRICK.
WELL, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO SHOW THE DIFFERENT COLORS THAT WAY.
I ALMOST LOOKED AT THE, THE ONE COLOR THAT WAS RED AND THE BAY AND IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE YOU HAD IT KIND OF REALLY CLOSE TO THAT, BUT WHEN YOU PUT THAT BLACK THERE, IT REALLY SETS, IT ALL ACTUALLY SETS THE BRICK OFF OF THE ORIGINAL CHURCH.
AND, UM, I THAT'S ABOUT PREFERENCE, BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE, AND WHAT I'M SAYING, WE COULD COME TO SOME AGREEMENT ON ALL OF THAT.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M PERSONALLY, I WOULD LEAN MORE TOWARDS THE, THE SOLID COLOR IN THE BOTTOM PICTURE RATHER THAN THE RED INVASION THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S TRYING TOO HARD TO MATCH AGAIN.
I AGREE WITH, UM, THERE IS A VERY POPULAR TREND UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW FOR EVERYTHING TO BE GREAT AND BLACK.
THIS IS HOW MUCH GRAY, BLACK, THE DARK BLUE THAT LIKE SLATE OR THAT I KEEP SEEING THAT TOO.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY, MY ONLY SLIGHT HESITATION IS, IS EVERYONE GOING TO HATE IT? YEAH.
WHITE GLOVE READMISSION, PIGEON FLYING THERE.
WHAT PAINTING OF BUILDING BLACK WILL DO TO YOUR SUMMER ENERGY EFFICIENCY, BECAUSE THAT IS A BIG HAUL, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT MY PROBLEM.
UM, BUT I, I THINK STAYING AWAY FROM THE RED AND PHAGE WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE AND IT DIDN'T GIVE A TRAIN FOR SOMEBODY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKED THAT TOP LEVEL BEING LIGHTER, MAYBE NOT THAT THICK, BUT THAT THOSE ARE YEAH.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, DO YOU TEXT HER OR DO YOU LOOKING AT ON IT? CAUSE COLORS? THE THING IS THAT I DON'T THINK COLOR IS ANY LONGER CONTROLLED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT IN MAINE.
UH, BUT IT'S, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE S I'M NOT TELLING YOU, WE'RE NOT SENSITIVE TO WHAT YOU WANT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY STRONG, WE DON'T HAVE ANY STRONG PREFERENCE, BUT, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, BUT WE ALSO, UM, ALL THE GARY AND I ARE, YOU KNOW, GARY IS A REAL YOUNG GUY COMPARED TO ME, BUT THE FACT IS THAT THESE BUILDINGS WILL BE AROUND WHEN, WHEN WE'RE GONE AND SOMEBODY ELSE WILL MAKE DECISIONS ON THAT.
SO THEY COULD DO A COLOR CHANGE, BUT THEY CAN'T DO A TEXTURE CHANGE OR I, WELL, YEAH,
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BUT NOT WITHOUT PERMISSION.AND ONE OF YOUR CONCERN WAS JUST THE HEIGHT AND THE MASS THING OF IT.
SO MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THESE TWO IDEAS, IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR ENGINEERS AND YOUR DESIGNERS AND BE LIKE, THE BAR IS CONCERNED THAT THIS IS A GIANT MASS, THAT'S GOING TO OVERPOWER ANYTHING.
DO THEY HAVE ANY IDEAS FOR THIS TOP FLOOR OR THE TOP TWO SECTIONS? LIKE, DO YOU LIGHTEN THAT UP SOMEHOW WITHOUT LOSING VALUABLE REAL ESTATE? YOU KNOW, LIGHTING IT UP, YOU MEAN JUST THE MASSING OF IT.
IT LOOKS JUST SO BOXY AND FULL AND HEAVY.
YOU MEAN THOSE CONTAINERS MAKE IT NARROW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT IN A LITTLE
OR DO ALL THOSE TOP FLOORS NOW SUDDENLY HAVE A BALCONY THAT YOU CAN CHARGE MORE FOR? LIKE, THOSE ARE BIGGER DESIGN PROBLEMS TOO.
SOME OF THE THINGS YOU CAN AFFECT, WE'LL BE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS YOU CAN, YOU CAN, IT'S AMAZING.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, BRICK HOME, THE MAINSTREAM COLOR IS EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT THAT YOU, IT, IT CAN, IT CAN, UH, BE SOMETHING IN ABOUT 15% OF THE AREA OF A BRICK HOME.
AND, UH, AND SO THE COLOR OF THE MAINSTREAM AND THE CONTRAST WITH THE BRICK ARE REAL IMPORTANT.
SAME, THING'S TRUE WITH WINDOWS.
SO IF YOU, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU GO UP TO THE TOP AND YOU HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT DESIGN WINDOWS, MAYBE WITH A TRANSOM ABOVE THEM, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT YOU CAN BREAK UP THAT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU, OR YOU CAN EVEN HAVE CHANGES EVERY, SO I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THESE BUILDINGS THAT ROTATE, THERE'S A REAL POPULAR TREND NOW THAT THEY, THEY JUST ROTATE THE COLORS, EVERY SHE STORES.
AND I JUST, YEAH, BUT THEN SOMEONE WILL DO, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR STOREFRONT LEVEL WILL BE ONE DESIGN.
THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING WILL HAVE A PRETTY UNIFORM.
AND THEN MAYBE THAT TOP FLOOR HAS GOT SOMETHING, A LITTLE, LITTLE SPECIAL, A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THAT WOULD BE MY BUILDING SITTING ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHEN I THINK IT MAYBE NOT SO MUCH BALCONIES, BUT IF IT WAS JUST LIKE CHECKED IN, EVEN JUST SO IT BROUGHT IN AND THEN YEAH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FOUR FEET AND IT, IT CAN BE, DO YOU BUILD IT IN, LIKE, YOU WOULD LIKE A MOTEL AT THE BEACH WHERE YOU'RE OVERLOOKING THE BEACH AND SO YOU'RE KIND OF BUILDING THE YEAH.
I MEAN, THOSE WOULD JUST BE THOUGHTS AND IDEAS TO TAKE BACK TO YOUR, YOUR DESIGNERS WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR STORE CRIMES.
AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE GARY ACTUALLY SUGGESTED THAT.
CAUSE HE SAID THE BACK'S PRETTY STARK LOOKING.
SO IF WE HAD, IF WE HAD SOME, UH, SOME REALLY NICE, UH, WINDOWS AND, AND, UH, AND IT'S GOT A LITTLE INSET FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, AT CERTAIN LEVELS AND STUFF.
SO BREAK UP THAT SOLID MATCHING CHANGE, A LOT OF STUFF.
WE WOULD, WE DON'T WANT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SQUARE FOOTAGE WE HAVE, FOR LEAST, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT.
AND, UH, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO SOME STUFF LIKE THAT.
THE OTHER THING YOU CAN'T DO IS YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T OFFSET THE ACTUAL CONTAINERS BECAUSE THE WHOLE CONCEPT IS DEPENDENT UPON THE INTEGRITY OF THAT STRUCTURE, THAT THEIR PLAN, AND THEN THEY'RE WELDED SO THAT THEY HAVE FINANCIAL INTEGRITY.
SO THEY'LL HAVE A MASSIVE CONCRETE FLOOR UNDERNEATH THEM AND EVERYTHING, THE WHOLE THING.
AND SO, AND WE'LL RUN ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER THAT.
AND THEN, BUT YEAH, IF YOU CAN DO THAT, YOU JUST GOT YOU CAN'T, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU SEE A LOT OF MODERN ARCHITECTURE WHERE THEY CAN STEP IN AND STEP OUT AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, UH, YOU CAN HAVE THEM HAVE SPACE IN, BUT SOME YOU CAN'T GO, YOU GOTTA KEEP THEM 100% ON TRACK.
THAT'S HOW THEY STAY ON THEIR SHIPS WITHOUT HAVING ANY PROBLEMS. WELL, YEAH, I'VE TALKED TO THEM.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TELLING YOU EVERYTHING WE'RE THINKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH HOT, WE'LL GET DOWN TO GROUND LEVEL.
DON'T WANT TO GO ANY LOWER BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S DOWN THERE.
I MEAN, I KEEP HEARING THAT THERE ARE WATER ISSUES.
WE GOT SOME BASE THAT'S IN THERE.
NOW THAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE SUMP PUMP.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IN THE 1870S, AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, THERE WAS NO MONEY BECAUSE OF PROJECT.
AND, UH, THERE WAS A CREEK THAT RAN DOWN THROUGH THERE AND I REMEMBER IT STILL, IT WAS VISIBLE BACK WHEN I WAS A KID GOING THOUGH HE WILSON, YOU COULD SEE IT OR CALLED HER, SIR.
AND THEY JUST FILL THEM UP AND JUST BUILD ON TOP OF, AND THAT'S WHY EVERYONE GETS WATERED HER BASEMENT ON MAIN STREET CHURCH STREET.
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WELL, THERE WON'T BE A BASEMENT.I THOUGHT, WHAT IF WE ACTUALLY COULD TAKE IT DOWN? THE HEIGHT OF HERE, THERE IS A BASEMENT ONE END UP WHERE THEY USED TO DUMP THE COAL INTO THE CHORUSES, BUT THAT WOULD ALL BE FILLED IN CALGARY.
AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BE DIGGING AROUND TOO MUCH BACK HERE, CHESTER STREET.
THEY USED TO TELL ME THAT EVERYTHING FLOODS EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A BIG STORM BECAUSE THERE'S CREEK THAT'S CREEK BOTTOM.
AND THEN WHAT DID IS I HAD WONDERFUL GARDENS THERE.
UH, BUT THE, WHAT I FOUND OUT WHEN I GOT IN TO DOING THE HOUSES WAS THAT IT WASN'T A CREEK THAT WAS FLOWING UP THE TOWN OVER THE 150 YEARS RACE.
UH, THEY RAISED THEIR STORM STORM.
SO, SO INSTEAD OF YOUR PIPES DRAINING YOUR, UH, PIPES IN THE BASEMENT, DRAIN THE WATER OUT OF THE BASEMENT, IT DRAINED GETS A STORM.
SEWER WATER WOULD COME UP AND I GET FOUR AND A HALF FEET OF WATER.
AND JOHNNY WEIMER, I BOUGHT THAT FROM HIM.
HE SAID, HE SAID, I TOLD YOU UPFRONT, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO I WENT DOWN AND TOOK A BASEBALL BAT AND CUT IT OFF AND POUNDED IN THAT HOLE WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER.
AND HE COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT HE LIVED THERE ALL HIS LIFE WITH, WITH FOUR FEET OF WATER COMING IN THERE EVERY SO OFTEN.
AND I NEVER EVEN HAD TO HAVE A SUMP PUMP.
WELL, WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME TO YOU ALL LATER ON, YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE LIKE, SAY WITH, WITH, WHEN YOU'RE DOING, UH, WHEN YOU'RE DOING, UH, YOU CAN JUST GIVE THEM TO, UH, UH, STAFF HERE AND I THINK YOU HAVE MY CARD ALREADY.
AND SO, UH, AND YOU KNOW, UH, I'M BILL BARNETT, EDWARD OGLETREE, COMMERCIAL REALTY, EVERETT OVER TREES IN GEORGIA.
IS THAT, UH, SO I'M THE OLDEST ONE HERE.
AND SO, UH, BUT I'M EASY TO FIND.
AND SO IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW, LET ME KNOW.
WELL, I THINK IT'S A BIG PROJECT.
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK.
WELL, YEAH, IT'S THE OLD ADAGE YOU MEASURE TWICE CUT.
ONCE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO COME IN AND HAVE A FULLY BAKED PLAN AND THEN COME IN AND GET TOLD, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW, OR THIS PART OF IT, UH, SAVING, SAVING MONEY ALONG THE WAY AS, AS A WHOLE LOT EASIER THAN MAKING MONEY, TRYING TO MAKE UP MONEY LATER ON, IT DOESN'T WORK.
SHE GET THROUGH THE OTHER HURDLES AND PLANNING AND YOU'RE BACK DOING, YOU KNOW, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT SORT OF BIT.
UM, WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TOO.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO FINISH EVERYTHING AND THEN CALL THEM BACK.
I NEED YOU TO GET THROUGH SITE PLAN BEFORE, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY DO MAKE A DECISION
UM, CAUSE WE GAVE YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION.
WELL, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT WORKS OUT, UM, AND YOU, YOU CAN'T DO, YOU CAN'T DO DOWNTOWN REHAB STUFF WITHOUT HAVING A VERY GOOD PLAN IN PLACE AND, AND HAVING ALL THE FINANCES AND STUFF.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PROJECTS THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THAT STUFF DONE, IT'S LIKE WHEN I SOLD THE 90 ACRE PARCEL, I DON'T, UH, WINCHESTER ROAD SOME YEARS AGO, UH, THE, UH, I TOLD HER, I TOLD THE, UH, I HAD A MEETING WITH, UH, DOUG STANLEY AND, UH, AND, UH, UH, PEOPLE FROM THE EDA AND THE, UH, DOUGLAS PLANNER THEM.
AND I TOLD THEM THAT, UH, I, UH, I TOLD THE BUYER, GARY RAPPAPORT, WHO'S THE LARGEST SHOPPING CENTER DEVELOPER IN THE UNITED STATES.
AND FIVE TIMES PAST PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD SHOPPING CENTER.
I TOLD HIM AND NINA WISEBERG THAT? I SAID, YOU NEED TO PLAN ON ANOTHER EXTRA $10 PER SQUARE FOOT ABOVE YOUR NORMAL EXPECTATIONS FOR ROCK REMOVAL.
I SAID, BECAUSE THIS IS ROCK LAND, NOT SANDY.
SO DOUG SAID, I ALMOST FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR.
WHEN YOU SAID THAT, I SAID, IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE.
I'VE NEVER READ IT ANYWHERE, BUT IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN.
SOUNDS LIKE IS THAT IF YOU CAN'T PREVENT IT PREDICTED.
SO I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO HEAR DEWEY TALK ABOUT A POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING THAT HE'S AWARE OF, THAT I'M NOT IN.
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IT'S LIKE LOADING THE TRUNK OF YOUR CAR FOR VACATION, WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS AND STUFF, EVERYBODY BRINGS EVERYTHING OUT.IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH STUFF THEY BRING, YOU CAN GET IN YOUR TRUNK OR YOUR CAR.
BUT IF SOMEBODY COMES OUT WITH SOMETHING AFTER YOU'VE CLOSED THE LID, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR IT.
AND SO WE WANT TO GET RID OF THE FRONT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THERE IS NO OTHER BUSINESS TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING.
THERE'S NOTHING LEFT ON OUR AGENDA ALL IN FAVOR.