* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] IN CASE I'M GONNA CALL TO, OH, THERE YOU GO. HE WAS WAITING. BUT YEAH. I GUESS I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING FOR MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 28TH. UM, UH, MS. ONG, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR RO HERE. VICE MAYOR AL. HERE. COUNCILWOMAN DEPA? HERE. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. COUNCIL HERE. COUNCILMAN OCK? HERE. COUNCILMAN WOOD HERE. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS TO GO INTO A CLOSED MEETING, SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF ANYBODY HAS THEIRS PULLED UP. UM, PARDON? I DON'T, I THINK EVERYBODY'S PATIENTLY. I GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN. OKAY. SHE'S GOT IT. UM, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 12 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSELS. MORE SPECIFICALLY, TERMINATION OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE VOLUNTARY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA, DATED APRIL 11TH, 2018. AND B, AMENDMENT OF THE TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE TO DEFINE AND REGULATE DATA CENTERS. AND TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, OR INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE DIRECTOR OF ENERGY SERVICES. OKAY. SECOND. OKAY, THERE'S MOTION. AND SECOND, PAUL COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT. YES. COUNCILWOMAN DEDO COPA. YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCILMAN LOC? YES. VICE MAYOR ENTAL? YES. OKAY. WE ARE NOW ENCLOSED. OKAY. WE'VE NOW COME OUT OF CLOSE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. TAKE US OUT. A CLOSED, UH, I THINK THAT'S, I'M HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WITH HER NEW WITNESS. I MOVE THE COUNCIL, CERTIFY THAT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER'S AFFIRMATIVE VOTE THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS. LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING BY COUNSEL. AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE TOWN. COUNSEL SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DEAM COPA? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCILMAN LOC? YES. VICE MAYOR AL? YES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE NOW, UM, COME OUT OF CLOSE AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION, UM, ON A MOTION RIGHT NOW TO BE READ. YES. UM, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE A ONE TIME WAIVER OF THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT PURSUANT TO SECTION FOUR DASH 50 3D OF THE TOWN CODE FOR THE CANDIDATE THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED TO FILL THE DIRECTOR OF ENERGY SERVICES POSITION. SECOND. SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION. AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DINO COANE. YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCILMAN OCK? YES. VICE MAYOR AL? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. I'M NOW GONNA ADJOURN THIS [2. 7:00 PM - REGULAR MEETING] SPECIAL MEETING AND I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE REGULAR MEETING AND [3. MOMENT OF SILENCE] WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE. [4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] OKAY. NEXT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND VICE MAYOR VIAL IS GONNA LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. HAVE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, [00:05:02] INCLUDING REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH VIRGINIA JUSTICE STRAW. GET A GIFT CARD. . SAY THAT. SO BEFORE WE DO ROLL CALL, I DO WANNA SAY THAT I JUST WANNA OPEN THIS UP. IF THERE ARE ANY STUDENTS IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL WHO WOULD LIKE TO LEAD COUNSEL IN THE PLEDGE, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME. YOU CAN EMAIL ME, YOU CAN CALL TOWN HALL AND SPEAK WITH MS. WIL. BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, UM, STUDENTS IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW. I THINK I'VE BEEN DOING THIS NOW FOR FOUR YEARS, AND I FEEL LIKE I'VE, I MAYBE HAVE TAPPED OUT OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT, UM, I'D LOVE TO ENTERTAIN ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT. IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE JOB AND IT DOES INVOLVE A GIFT CARD. SO , [5. ROLL CALL] UH, BUT, SO WE CAN DO A ROLL CALL NOW. MAYOR COCKRELL HERE. VICE MAYOR VIAL? HERE. COUNCILWOMAN MEDINA. MEPA. HERE. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? HERE. COUNCILMAN OCK? HERE. COUNCILMAN WOOD HERE. [6. APROVAL OF MINUTES] OKAY. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS OUR APPROVAL OF MINUTES. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MADAM MAYOR UP. I MOVE THAT. COUNCIL APPROVE THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 24TH, 2026 MEETING AND THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2026. WORK SESSION AS PRESENTED. SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DEAN DEPA? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD ABSTAIN. COUNCILMAN LOC? YES. VICE MAYOR AL? YES. [7. ADDITION/DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA (REQUIRES UNAMIOUS VOTE) AND/OR REVISION TO ORDER OF BUSINESS (REQUIRES MAJORITY VOTE)] OKAY. ITEM NUMBER SIX, OR ANY ADDITION OR DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA AND OR REVISION TO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS? ARE THERE ANY FOR THIS EVENING? MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO AMEND THE AGENDA BY ADDING ITEM 13 D, PURCHASE OF REPLACEMENT TRACK LOADER TO NEW BUSINESS. THE PURCHASE WAS DISCUSSED AT THE TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2026 WORK SESSION WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A CONSENT ITEM AT THE UPCOMING REGULAR MEETING. SECOND. OKAY. AND, AND, UM, SO THAT'S 13 D AND IT'LL BE UNDER BUSINESS, NOT UNDER CONSENT. IS THAT WHAT I, IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? IT HAS TO BE UNDER BUSINESS AND WE CAN'T ADD IT TO CONSENT? YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, ANY OTHER, ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. SO IN ORDER TO AMEND, UM, AN AGENDA, WE HAVE TO HAVE A UNANIMOUS VOTE. SO, UM, MS. UH, ONG, CAN YOU DO ROLL CALL? COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DOPA? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCILMAN LOC? YES. VICE MAYOR AL? YES. OKAY, SO WE WILL NOW HAVE 13 [8. RECONGITIONS/AWARDS/REPORTS/PRESENTATIONS] D. ALRIGHT. UM, SO NEXT UP NUMBER EIGHT IS OUR RECOGNITION AWARDS, REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS. AND TONIGHT, UM, WE ARE STARTING OFF, WE'RE HAVING A PRESENTATION FROM, UM, UH, CHIEF? NO, I, I, I I KNOW WHO YOUR NAME CHIEF WHITEHEAD. AND IT'S MAJOR KING, RIGHT? OKAY. IT WASN'T YOU, I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER HIS WHO YOU ARE. I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER. I I KNEW HIS NAME. I JUST, I DIDN'T WANNA SAY SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE RIGHT TITLE. I SHOULD SAY YOU WORKED TOO HARD TO NOT BE RECOGNIZED AS A MAJOR. ALRIGHT, LEMME GET SOME STUFF BECAUSE I HE GETTING POWER CAREFUL. MAKE HIS WELL, , I MEAN TOO, I MEAN TOO, HE'S A GOOD GUY AND I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM. I REALLY WISH THERE WERE MORE, BUT, UM, WHAT'S GREAT IS THAT ALL OF THIS WILL BE RECORDED AND CAN BE WATCHED, UM, ON FROM OUR TOWN WEBSITE. I'M GETTING THERE. ALL RIGHT. IT'S HARD TO SEE. ALL RIGHT. SO ANYWAY, WITH FLOCK SAFETY, I JUST WANNA BRING TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE'RE USING IT. UM, WE'VE HAD IT NOW SINCE, I BELIEVE IT CAME IN IN 2000 OR 23. UM, AND IT'S A FOUR YEAR CONTRACT, SO IT WOULD END IN I THINK AROUND OCTOBER, NOVEMBER OF 27. UM, ANYWAY, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, SO DURING THAT TIMEFRAME, UM, WE HAD PUT UP FIVE CAMERAS AND I'LL GO THROUGH THE POWERPOINT HERE, EXACTLY WHAT FLOCK DOES AND HOW WE'RE UTILIZING THAT TOOL. UM, SO ANYWAY, [00:10:01] I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A WAY THAT CHARLES HAS TO CHANGE IT OR HOW THAT WORKS. CHARLES, CAN YOU GO NEXT SLIDE MAYBE? OR IS THERE A CLICKER RIGHT THERE? OH, I GOT YOU. I'M SO USED TO STANDING, MOVING AROUND AND TALKING VERSUS STANDING STILL. IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME AND IT COMES FROM INSTRUCTING LAW ENFORCEMENT CLASSES. I'M USED. I CLICKER INSTEAD HAVING BE YELLING AT EVERYTHING. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO, ALRIGHT, SO THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS IS, IT TELLS YOU A LITTLE BIT WHY WE UTILIZE THE UH, LAPR. ALRIGHT. SO WHAT IT DOES, IT CAPTURES THE ACTIVE CAMERA CAPTURES THE PASSING VEHICLES, ALRIGHT? IT IS NOT A FACIAL RECOGNITION, IT'S JUST LIKE A CAMERA ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. IT TAKES A PICTURE OF THE CAR. OKAY? SO THE PICTURE OF THE CAR IS THE VEHICLE WITH IT GOES THROUGH GETTING LICENSE PLATES. UM, AND AS YOU SEE THROUGH THE SLIDE, IT PICKS OUT UNIQUE THINGS OF THAT VEHICLE. IT WOULD DO BUMPER STICKERS, ANYTHING UNIQUE THAT WE SEARCH, UM, THAT WE WOULD NEED DENTS IN IT AND WHAT HAVE YOU. YOU NAME IT, IT TAKES THIS PICTURE AND WHERE IT GETS UPLOADED. SO WHEN WE DO OUR SEARCH OF WHATEVER, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT TYPE OF CARD, WHETHER WE HAVE A LACK OF INFORMATION, IT HELPS US, GIVES US AN INVESTIGATIVE LEAD, IS WHAT IT DOES. SO ANYWAY, SO IT'S A CAMERA THAT CAPTURES THE PASSING VEHICLE. UM, AND IT GIVES IT AVAILABLE DETAILS. AUTHORIZED USERS, UH, RECEIVE A HOT LIST. SO EXACTLY WHAT IS A HOT LIST? A HOT LIST WOULD BE ANYTHING THAT WE RECEIVE. UM, WHETHER IT BE LIKE STOLEN VEHICLES, UH, WANTED, WANTED, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT VEHICLE. OKAY? IT AIN'T GOING TO TAKE WANTED PEOPLE AND PUT IN THE SYSTEM. IT'S WITH, THEY HAVE A VEHICLE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WANTED PERSON. SO ANYTHING THAT'S REGISTERED TO YOU WOULD FLAG IT IN THAT SYSTEM AS A HOT LIST. UM, AND AMBER ALERTS, ANY OF THOSE THINGS WILL GO INTO IT. ANY KIND OF MISSING OR ENDANGERED PERSONS, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE IN THERE AS WELL. ANY, BUT THE THING IS IT HAS TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH A VEHICLE. IT'S NOT GONNA BE ASSOCIATED WITH A PERSON. THERE'S NO WAY IT HAS TO HAVE A VEHICLE ASSOCIATION WITH THAT. SO ANYWAY, IT'S INVESTIGATOR LEAVES OFFICERS, UH, WE HAVE TO VERIFY THAT INFORMATION, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION THAT IS HOT LISTED WITHIN THAT SYSTEM. WE HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THAT, UH, STILL ACTIVE. SO WE'RE STILL RUNNING THROUGH VS AND NCIC TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE THINGS ARE STILL ACTIVE. SO EVEN THOUGH IT FLAGS IN THE SYSTEM SAYING, HEY, YOU HAVE A A, A POTENTIAL MISSING OR WHATEVER ENDANGERED PERSON OR WANTED PERSON, I HAVE TO VERIFY THAT INFORMATION. THAT DOESN'T GIMME PERMISSION TO PULL OVER SET VEHICLE AND SAID, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT IT SAID. NO, I HAVE TO VERIFY ALL THIS INFORMATION. JUST LIKE IF WE KNOW THAT WE ARE ON THE SIDE OF A ROAD AND WE DO A TRAFFIC STOP AND THEN IT COMES BACK THAT THEY'RE WANTING, WHEN WE RUN THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE INFORMATION, I HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THROUGH THE VISA APP AND THEN GET THE HOST AGENCY WHO ENTERED THAT INTO THE SYSTEM. ONCE WE CALL THAT JURISDICTION, THEY HAVE SO MANY MINUTES TO RESPOND. SO WE STAY ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD UNTIL THINGS ARE CONFIRMED AND THERE HAS BEEN CHANCE OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S HAS NOT BEEN TAKEN OUTTA THE SYSTEM. AND THEN YOU'RE FREE TO GO. THERE'S NOTHING, YOU DON'T LEAVE THE SCENE. YOU JUST TELL 'EM, HEY, THEY DIDN'T TAKE IT OUTTA THE SYSTEM. UM, YOU'RE FREE TO GO. AND THAT, THOSE THINGS DO HAPPEN, BUT WE HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THROUGH THE VS. SEND. NOW THERE'S OTHER REPERCUSSIONS THAT THEY DON'T TAKE IT OUT. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE STOPPING PEOPLE AND GOING OFF WHAT'S IN THE SYSTEM. SO ANYWAY, WE HAVE TO VERIFY WHAT'S IN THAT SYSTEM. SO THIS IS WHAT IT DOES RIGHT HERE. THIS IS WHAT IT DETECTS AND WHAT IT DOES NOT DETECT LICENSE PLATES AND IT SUPPORT THE PLATE OF THE STATE. ALRIGHT, VEHICLE MAKE MODEL COLOR, ANY UNIQUE IDENTIFIERS, WHICH GOES INTO THE BUMPER STICKERS, THE DENTS TO WHAT HAVE YOU. ANYTHING THAT PUTS ON THAT VEHICLE. THAT, THAT IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT SAY A CRIME COMMITTED, SAID, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IS A, A RED JEEP, I'M JUST THROWING, YOU KNOW, THINGS OUT THERE. THEY HAD A, THIS BUMPER STICKER ON THERE. IF WE CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT TIMEFRAME, WHERE THESE CAMERAS WERE LOCATED, DID IT COME THROUGH DURING THIS TIMEFRAME? SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T, SOMETIMES IT DOES. THEY'RE NOT EVERYWHERE. THEY'RE ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN. AND I'LL SHARE THOSE, UH, SHARE THOSE LOCATIONS AS WELL. SO WHEN WE GET THAT INFORMATION, THAT'S THE TYPE OF INFORMATION WE'RE PUTTING IN PARTIAL TAGS OR FULL TAGS OF C AND IT GIVES US THOSE INVESTIGATIVE LEAVES. SO THAT'S WHAT IT DOES. SO IT GIVES THE TIME AND LOCATION AND DIRECTION OF TRAVEL THAT IT WENT THROUGH THAT CAMERA SYSTEM BECAUSE THOSE CAMERA SYSTEMS, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE SET UP. WE HAVE CAMERAS ONE THROUGH FIVE. WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE FACING CERTAIN DIRECTIONS SOUTHBOUND, WHETHER IT BE 5 22 SOUTHBOUND OR THREE 40 NORTHBOUND SOUTHBOUND. WE KNOW WHAT DIRECTION THAT GO, THAT THAT'S WHERE THE LOCATION'S COMING IN, THE TIME THAT THAT VEHICLE WENT THROUGH THERE. SO THIS IS NOT A TRACTOR, IT'S NOT TRACKING YOU, IT'S NOT TRACKING THAT CAR. IT'S ONLY WHEN THEY COME THROUGH THAT A LPR IS GIVEN THE TIMESTAMP OF WHEN THAT VEHICLE COME THROUGH THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT IT'S DOING. SO THEN, AND THEN THAT COMES DOWN TO THE POTENTIAL OUT LIST. JUST LIKE I SAID, YOU GOTTA VERIFY THE INFORMATION. WHAT IT IS NOT DOING IS NOT DOING, DOING THE FACIAL RECOGNITION, NOT A CONTINUOUS WORLD TIME VIDEO. DOES NOT KNOW GENDER, RACE, ETHNICITY OR ANY OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS. AND IT DOES NOT DO SPEED ENFORCEMENT OR ANY KIND OF CITATION. IT DOESN'T DO ANY STUFF. LIKE I SAID. ALL IT IS IS TAKING PICTURES OF VEHICLES AND, AND IT'S A CLEAR IMAGE THAT WE CAN USE TO IDENTIFY, TO GIVE US INVESTIGATIVE LEAD. THESE ARE THE LOCATIONS OF THE CAMERAS. YOU HAVE STONEWALL JACKSON HIGHWAY EAST CROSS ROAD, THE NORTHBOUND TRAVEL LANE, ALSO ON STONEWALL JACKSON HIGHWAY ON EAST CREST [00:15:01] ROAD, THE SOUTHBOUND TRAVEL LANE. THE OTHER ONES ARE AT, ONE IS AT HAPPY CREEK AND LEACH RUN, IT WILL GET THE WESTBOUND. THEN YOU HAVE THREE 40 AND 18TH STREET, WHICH IS THE ONES THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE NORTH END. SO THAT GETS THE SOUTHBOUND THERE. THEN YOU HAVE THE NORTHBOUND OF THAT AS WELL. AND THEN THERE'S ONE LOCATED AT WEST CHARLESBURG ROAD AND FOREST HILL DRIVE, IT GOES WESTBOUND. SO THOSE WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE LOCATED AT, THERE'S THE MAP SHOWS EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE. THOSE ARE THE, OUR CAMERA SYSTEMS. SO YOU HAVE ONE AND TWO WITH KREER AND THREE 40 YOU HAVE THREE, WHICH IS AT LE RUN IN HAPPY CREEK. AND THEN FOUR AND FIVE IS, UM, OUT THERE. UH, 18TH STREET GOING NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND ON, UM, CDO AVENUE, NORTH CHAND AVENUE, AND THE ONE AT WEST ROSEBURG ROAD. I'M NOT TRYING TO INTERRUPT MM-HMM SO BASICALLY LIKE TWO, TWO OF THE CAMERAS, IT'S REALLY FOUR. THEY'RE AT THIS, THE SAME LOCATIONS AS DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT'S COMING IN TOWN OUT OF TOWN. RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE TWO, YOU HAVE TWO, YOU HAVE ONE CAMERA. SO ONE CAMERA COULD DO ONE SET OF TRAVEL LANES AND ANOTHER CAMERA DOES THE OTHER SET OF TRAVEL LANES. SO CAMERA ONE WOULD BE WHAT I HAVE ON THERE. IT WOULD GETTING SO WOULD BE, UM, THREE 40 OR I'M SORRY, STONEWALL JACKSON HIGHWAY IN EAST CROSS ROAD. SO CAMERA ONE, UM, STONEWALL EAST JACKSON IS GETTING NORTHBOUND. SO THEY'LL GET THE NORTHBOUND TRAVEL LANES. THERE'S TWO TRAVEL LANES AND THEN THE OTHER ONE'S GETTING THE SOUTHBOUND TRAVEL LANES. OKAY, SO THERE'S, THERE'S ONE CAMERA PER DIRECTION. SO IT WOULD BE, THAT'S HOW I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S, IT IS TWO CAMERAS, BUT IT'S IN THE SAME LOCATION. YES. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU SAID FOUR. I'M SORRY. NO, NO, NO. I WAS SAYING IT'S TWO CAMERAS, BUT IT'S REALLY COVERING FOUR DIRECTIONS. 'CAUSE THEY'RE, SO IS COVER SOUTH THE NORTH AND A SOUTH AND A NORTH, YEP. ONE CAMERA WILL COVER TWO TRAVEL LANES. OKAY. MM-HMM . OKAY. GOTCHA. SO THOSE ARE, THAT'S THE MAPPING OF IT. UM, AND THEN RIGHT HERE, THIS IS HOW THE AMENDED USE AND OPERATIONAL CONTROLS, UH, THE PURPOSE IS LIMITED TO AND IS RESTRICTED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY FUNCTIONS ONLY. SO THIS INFORMATION THAT WE COLLECT OFF OF THIS IS LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY. SO THIS DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE ELSE. UH, NOW WHEN WE FIRST GOT THE SYSTEM, WE WERE ALLOWED TO SHARE WITH OTHER AGENCIES, UH, AND WE DID. SO, UM, THEN WE STARTED LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S SCALE THIS THING BACK. 'CAUSE WE STARTED HEARING WHAT WAS GOING ON OUT THERE AND, AND HOW THE MISUSE I CAN CONTROL MY PEOPLE. I CAN'T CONTROL ANYONE ELSE. SO WE TOGGLED IT DOWN OR, OR SWITCHED IT DOWN. WE DON'T SHARE WITH ANYBODY. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I ONLY HAVE, AND I'LL GET TO IT, I ONLY HAVE 18 USERS THAT I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. NOT THE ENTIRE STATE THAT WE'RE SHARING WITH. SO WE ARE NOT SHARING WITH ANYONE ELSE. UM, SO IT'S LIMITED ANY WAY IT'S LIMITED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT FUNCTIONS ONLY. SO ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN GET THIS, THIS INFORMATION. UM, NO PERSONAL USE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S LAWS IN THERE AND THERE'S ALSO REPERCUSSIONS ON THAT. NOT ONLY DISCIPLINARY, BUT YOU COULD FACE POTENTIAL CHARGES. DEPENDS ON HOW YOU USE, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TOOL THAT WE HAVE WITH VISA AND NCIC, IF WE MISUSE THAT AND THERE YOU COULD BE CHARGED AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE DISCIPLINARY ACTION. SO, UM, THERE ARE TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL THE USERS. THEY HAVE TO, UH, GO THROUGH A ONLINE TRAINING, UH, BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TO USER STATUS. THERE IS ANOTHER USER, UH, ADMIN USER THAT HAS TO DO USER TRAINING AND ADMIN TRAINING. UM, FOR THAT PURPOSES OF THE ADMIN TRAINING, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO ADD USERS AND THEY DO AN AUDIT. SO GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD OF MYSELF, BUT WE DO AN AUDIT. OUR AUDIT CONSISTS OF EVERY MONTH WE'RE DOING ONE. THERE'S ALSO AN AUDIT TOOL THAT F HAS THAT THEY IMMEDIATELY FIND ANY KIND OF MISUSE OR FLAGS IN THEIR SYSTEM. THEY'RE CALLING US IMMEDIATELY SAYING, HEY, WE NEED YOU TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS. AND THAT'S WHAT, AND WE WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON IT AND THEN WE'LL VERIFY IF THE INFORMATION WAS LEGIT OR IF IT WAS BEING MISUSED. UM, SO ANYWAY, UM, THE REASON FOR, UH, FOR REQUIRED WAS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VALID REASON. YOU JUST CAN'T JUST SEARCH A CAR, YOU GOTTA HAVE AN INCIDENT NUMBER THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH ANY KIND OF INCIDENT THAT WE HAVE. AND YOU GOTTA HAVE A REASON WHY YOU'RE DOING SUCH SEARCH. YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE UP A CASE NUMBER. YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE UP INFORMATION, ANY OF THAT STUFF. WE, WE HAVE VERIFIED THAT INCIDENT AND NOT ONLY DID WE DO OUR MONTHLY AUDIT, THAT AUDIT IS REPORTED EVERY QUARTER IS VIRGINIA STATE POLICE. AND THEN ALSO I WAS TOLD WITH FLOCK THAT THEY ALSO REPORT ALSO TO VSP AS WELL BECAUSE THEY'RE COMPARING THE INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT HAVING MISUSED ON IT. UM, HUMAN VERIFICATION. SO THE HOT LIST ALERT REQUIRES A VISUAL PLATE VERIFICATION FOR INCIDENT OF THE IC. UM, ALERT STOPS. JUST LIKE I SAID, AN ALERT IS NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH. THE REASON SUFFICIENT OR PROBABLE CAUSE TO STOP THE VEHICLE, IT ALL HAS TO BE VERIFIED JUST BECAUSE THAT SYSTEM TELLS ME THAT THAT CAR HAS A WANTED PERSON OR THAT HAS THIS, NO, WE'RE GONNA VERIFY THE INFORMATION AND I GOTTA VERIFY THAT THAT'S THE PERSON IN THE CAR. WE'RE NOT JUST STOPPING ON THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT HAVE TO COME INTO PLAY. CAN I [00:20:01] ASK A QUESTION? MM-HMM. SORRY IF I INTERJECT, BUT I DON'T DO IT RIGHT NOW. NO, YOU'RE FINE. I REMEMBER. UM, SO THE PART ABOUT LIKE WE DON'T SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS. OBVIOUSLY IF THE, LIKE LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S A VEHICLE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH AN AMBER ALERT AND IT'S GOING TOWARDS FREDERICK COUNTY, WE, WE DON'T NEED TO SHARE THAT WITH THEM. WE CAN HOP ON THE PHONE AND BE LIKE, THIS CAR'S COMING. YOUR, I MEAN, LIKE THAT'S WHEN YOU SAY NOT SHARING, I, I'M, I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU MEAN. RIGHT. SO WHEN I SAY NOT SHARING IS I'M NOT GIVING YOU ACCESS TO MY CAM CAMERA SYSTEM AND I'M NOT GETTING, SHARING WITH MY VEHICLE INFORMATION THAT'S GOING THROUGH THOSE SET CAMERAS. GOTCHA. NOW, EVERY UH, AGENCY WOULD RECEIVE A HOT LIST THROUGH THE AMBER ALERTS OR THROUGH VSP OR WHAT HAVE YOU THROUGH THAT HOT LIST, UM, THAT WOULD ALERT THROUGH THERE. BUT WE DO, OR AS FAR AS THE WE'RE NOT SHARING IS THAT I'M NOT GIVING YOU ACCESS TO MY CAMERAS AND SAY THAT YOU HAVE, UM, A CRIME THAT MAY HAVE COMMITTED IN YOUR AREA. YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO SEARCH IT WITH MY CAMERA SYSTEM. THAT'S ALL. UM, SO, BUT IN A SAFETY, IN A SAFETY SITUATION LIKE THAT, LIKE AN AMBER ALERT OR SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S WANTED, YOU KNOW, AND DANGEROUS, THAT THAT HOT LIST WOULD ALERT THAT THEY'D KNOW THAT, THAT IT HAPPENED IN FRONT ROYAL AND OR THAT THE VEHICLE'S BEEN WITNESS SEEN IN FRONT ROYAL. AND SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A, A LITTLE BIT, LIKE WE HAD A MISSING PERSON, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO SEE WHERE THEY WENT THROUGH THE, A LPRS THROUGHOUT AND ENDED UP ON THE WEST, UH, SIDE OF, UH, THE UNITED STATES AND WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT AND THEY WERE LOCATED AND BROUGHT BACK. OKAY. UM, SO WE, THAT WAS A RECENT EVENT. I CAN'T GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL ON THAT, BUT THAT WAS, THAT GIVES YOU, ON THOSE AMBER ALERTS WERE, WERE ABLE TO DO, UM, JUST OTHER CRIMES AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT 'EM, SOME OF 'EM I CAN'T GET INTO DETAIL 'CAUSE THEY'RE ACTIVE CASES, BUT THEY DID PAN OUT TO WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO FIND, UH, A DIRECTION OF TRAVEL AND THEN GET INFORMATION ON SET VEHICLE AND WERE ABLE TO DO FOLLOW UPS WITH SEARCH WARRANTS AND ACTUALLY HELPED OUT 'EM AND, UM, WAS ABLE TO USE SOME OF THAT TO OBTAIN ARREST WARRANTS. GOTCHA. I I HAVE A QUESTION. MM-HMM . FOR THE, FOR THE TECHNOLOGY, UH, FORGIVE ME, BUT THE, SO THE CAMERA SEES THE VEHICLE, IS IT, IS IT THAT YOU ALL ARE CONSTANTLY HAVE SOMEBODY ASSIGNED TO MONITOR IT? OR IS THE SYSTEM BY ITSELF ACTUALLY ABLE TO REGISTER A RED JEEP? I MEAN, I KNOW IT TAKES AN IMAGE, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS IF WE HAVE LIKE A AMBER ALERT, YOU KNOW, WITH A LICENSE PLATE, IS THE IMAGE BEING READ JUST BY THE COMPUTER INITIALLY WITHOUT ANY PERSON INVOLVED? SO THAT THAT INFORMATION IS INPUT IN THERE AND YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE YOU'RE GETTING GOOD INFORMATION PLUGGED INTO THE SYSTEM. LIKE IT HAS TO BE VERIFIED BEFORE YOU PUT ANY INFORMATION. WE DON'T, I MEAN WE CAN PUT INFORMATION IN, BUT A LOT OF IT WE HAVEN'T, IT'S BEEN COMING FROM OUTSIDE, BUT THEY PUT THE, UM, RELIABLE INFORMATION THAT WE KNOW THAT'S TRUE INFORMATION GOING IN THERE. WHAT IT DOES IS WHEN THAT VEHICLE GOES THROUGH, IT TAKES A PICTURE AND THEN IT RECOGNIZES IT, IT DOES REC ON IT TOO. 'CAUSE THEY PUT IT IN THERE. OKAY. SO IT'S REC, IN OTHER WORDS, NOBODY IS ASSIGNED TO CONS CONSTANTLY LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE IMAGE. THE COMPUTER DOES THE INITIAL RECOGNITION AND THEN YOU, YOU FOLLOW UP. YEAH. SO IT, IT SENDS ALERTS TO US SAYING, HEY, THIS VEHICLE WENT THROUGH BECAUSE IT WAS INPUT INTO THE SYSTEM. SO IT SENDS ALERTS. SO OUR DISPATCH, SO PART OF THE 18 USERS IS OUR DISPATCH, UH, PERSONNEL, WHICH I ADD 10 DISPATCHERS. SO WHILE THEY'RE DOING OTHER DUTIES TO SCREAM A FLASH OR WHATEVER, IT WILL ALERT 'EM THAT, HEY, THIS VEHICLE, THEY GOT A FLOCK HIT AND IT WENT THROUGH THIS, THIS AREA HERE. SO THEN THE UNITS IN THE AREA WOULD KNOW WHAT DIRECTION THEY NEED TO HEAD TO OR, OR IF THEY'RE IN THAT AREA, WHAT TO BE OUT, LOOK OUT FOR. WELL, THANK YOU. I KNOW I NOTICED, UH, THAT ON THE MAP, UM, WAS THERE ANY STRATEGY AS TO WHERE YOU DECIDED TO PUT THE CAMERAS? SO I WASN'T PART OF THAT TALK. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN UNDER CHIEF MCGILLIS AND MAJOR RYMAN AT THE TIME. OKAY. UM, THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS OF THAT I REMEMBER WAS ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN, UH, THAT WAY VEHICLES COMING IN AND GOING OUT. IT WAS NOTHING IN TOWN. IT WAS AT THE MAIN AREAS, THE MAIN HIGH TRAVELED AREAS THAT THEY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT WAS WHERE THEY PUT 'EM. AND THAT SEEMS RIGHT. YEAH. I JUST, IT IT LOOKED LIKE, UH, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING ON 55 EAST. SO THERE IS ONE AT, UH, LEACH OR LEACH RUN AND JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY THEN THAT BELONG TO WARREN. IT'S AT JOHN MARSHALL THAT BELONGS TO WARREN COUNTY. THAT IS NOT OURS. I SEE. HE SAID LEACH RUN AND HALF CREEK. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. LEACH RUN AND HALF CREEK. BUT THERE IS ONE ON JOHN MARSHALL. YEAH. AND THAT, BUT THAT'S THE COUNTY THAT IS NOT OURS. THAT WOULD'VE, THAT'S MIGHT, THAT WAS, THAT WOULD'VE MADE MORE SENSE TO ME. THE LEAD RUN AND JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY. SO THAT MAKES SENSE. NOW THERE'S ONE THERE, ONE THERE. I THINK WITH THE COST OF THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY CAMERA SYSTEM WE CAN COME UP UNLESS WE SPLIT IT AND WE REALLY HIT WITH THE HIGH TRAVEL AREAS. IF THEY REMEMBER RIGHT WHERE YOU HAD THE DUAL HIGHWAYS, WE HAD TO PUT MORE CAMERAS IN THOSE INTERSECTIONS. WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TO SIT ONE UP. UM, BUT AGAIN, I WASN'T, [00:25:01] THAT WAS, I GOT THE CONVERSATION AFTERWARDS. I WASN'T IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT CONVERSATION. WHAT AREAS WERE PICKED? I GOT, I GATHER WE SHARE THAT THERE IS SHARING WITHIN THE JURISDICTION BETWEEN WARREN COUNTY. SO I'M NOT SHARING WARREN COUNTY RIGHT NOW. I'D LIKE TO SHARE WARREN COUNTY. OKAY. UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BECAUSE WITH ME RIGHT NOW, WITH MY POLICIES AND EVERYTHING IN PLACE, I CAN CONTROL MY PEOPLE. AND WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT, I CAN TELL YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT I CAN TAKE CARE OF MY FOLKS AND CAN ENFORCE RULES ON THEM. CAN'T ENFORCE RULES ON ANYBODY ELSE. MM-HMM . BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT BECAUSE WE CAN ALSO TOGGLE THAT DOWN TO WHERE WE'RE ONLY SHARING MISSING PEOPLE WITH THEM. WE DON'T HAVE TO SHARE EVERYTHING. WE CAN TELL THEM WHAT THEY CAN LOOK AT ON OUR CAMERA SYSTEM. SO IT CAN BE ONE OF PEOPLE. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE NEWER FUTURES THAT WE HAVE. WE CAN, UM, GO THROUGH A LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE SAY, OKAY, WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU THIS PART OF IT. SO WE COULD TOGGLE THAT DOWN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I'LL MEET WITH MR. PETTY ON IT AND SEE WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO WITH THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, YOU SAID THAT IT'S ABLE TO SEE LIKE BUMPER STICKERS AND UNIQUE PORTIONS OF THE VEHICLES, BUT IT DOESN'T USE, UM, FACIAL RECOGNITION, BUT CAN IT STILL SEE THE IMAGES OF PEOPLE IN THE CAR? SO I WOULD IMAGINE SO WE, WHEN WE TAKE, WHEN WE SEE THOSE, I MEAN YOU MIGHT SEE AN ARM OR IMAGE. UM, NOT SAYING THAT IT HASN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ME TAKING A PICTURE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, IS THERE A CHANCE THAT YOU COULD, I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD HAVE TO REFER TO THE FLOCK REPRESENTATIVE TO SEE WHAT THEY'VE SEEN ON THAT. BUT I COULD TELL YOU FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN, DO YOU SEE IMAGES? YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE IDENTIFIERS ON PEOPLE. YEAH, I KNEW THAT, THAT SOME OF THE TOLL TOLLS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AROUND, ESPECIALLY AROUND NORTHERN VIRGINIA, I COULD TELL WHO WAS DRIVING THE CAR. YEAH. YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . SO, UM, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? JUST KIDDING. THAT'S A JOKE. THAT'S A JOKE. GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION WAS OFF OF COUNCIL MEDIDA, PAYNE TOUCHED ON IT, BUT I WAS WONDERING, IT SAYS THAT IT DOESN'T STORE THE DATA, BUT THEN SHE WAS ASKING LIKE, SO IS IS IT REVIEWING THE DATA ITSELF? SO I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHICH, I GUESS, SO LET ME, AND THIS MIGHT CLEAR IT UP ON THIS SLIDE HERE. OH, OKAY. SO IT'S A SEVEN DAY, UM, DELETION. SO AFTER SEVEN DAYS IT'S DELETED. OH, OKAY. SO I THINK THERE WAS SOME, UM, ISSUES WITH IT. STATE LAW RIGHT NOW HAS 21 DAYS. SO THE STATE LAW REQUIRES 21 DAY DELETION. SO WE DID IT BETTER. MM-HMM. UM, WE WENT TO THE SEVEN DAY, SO WE DID SEVEN DAY AND IN RETURN FLOCK WAS LIKE, WE'LL GIVE YOU THIS AUDIT TOOL. AND WE'RE LIKE, GREAT OR SOMETHING. I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS, BUT WE GOT SOMETHING. THAT WAY WE CAN DO OUR AUDITS AND I'M LIKE, I'LL TAKE IT. 'CAUSE REALISTICALLY, IF WE'RE NOT FINDING IT WITHIN THAT, YOU KNOW, FEW DAYS THERE OR YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE REPORT IT, THERE'S NO REASON TO REALLY HAVE THAT INFORMATION. SO I, I FEEL SEVEN DAYS IS, IS IS PLENTY OF TIME TO GO BACK AND REVIEW. SO ANY OF THAT INFORMATION. SO CHIEF WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT WE HAVE CON WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME CONTROLS. UH, WE, YOU HAVE SOME CONTROLS OVER THIS. LIKE YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF 21 DAYS IS WHAT THE STATE SAYS WE CAN, YOU CAN OPT TO DO SEVEN AND MM-HMM . OKAY. AND WE CHOSE TO DO THE SEVEN DAY DELETION. OKAY. UM, SO WITH THAT WE HAVE A MAXIMUM SEVEN DAY DELETION. UM, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA BE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ACCESS IT. UM, THIS JUST TELLS YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, LET'S SEE, WHERE ARE WE AT? SORRY, I'M TRYING TO GET MY EYES TO FOCUS ANYWAY. UM, LIKE IT JUST GOES AND REITERATES THAT IT'S A STATIONARY CAMERA SYSTEM. IT DOESN'T, UH, IT ONLY TIMESTAMPS THE LO THE LOCATION OF WHERE YOU WAS AT. THERE'S NOT A FULL TRACKER. IT'S NOT TRACKING CARD. SO IT'S ONLY TAKING A PICTURE AND GIVING YOU THE TIMESTAMP DATE ALONG WITH THE AREA. UM, LET'S SEE RIGHT HERE. SO AS OF DATE, SINCE WE IMPLEMENTED THE, THE FLOCK SYSTEM, WE'D HAVE 50 53 TOTAL SUCCESSES. SO THAT'S HELPED US WITH 53 CASES. UM, UH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S FIVE ADMINISTRATORS, UH, THAT CURRENTLY USERS OF IT. I'M NOT EVEN A USER OF IT. I HAVE NO REASON TO ACCESS IT. UM, I HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON COMMAND STAFF, ONE BEING THE MAJOR, ONE BEING, UH, CAPTAIN FOGLE. HE OVERSEES THE PROGRAM. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR ANALYST, UM, WHO'S ANOTHER ADMIN USER. AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, 18 USERS IN TOTAL. UM, AND WITH THAT BEING DISPATCH AND IN CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION WITH, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, THERE IS AN AUDIT, UM, THAT, AND THERE IS A FLAG IN, IN THE SYSTEM THAT WHEN IF SOMETHING SEARCHED RE REPEATEDLY, UH, IF SOMETHING IS NOT HAVING AN INCIDENT NUMBER, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE, IT SEEMS TO APPEAR TO HAVE A VALID REASON, FLOCK IS NOTIFYING US IMMEDIATELY. AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME IS GOING BACK TO THE LOGISTICS CAPTAIN. HE'S TAKING THOSE AND HE'S REVIEWING THOSE TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE LEGIT SEARCHES. UM, AND THEN IF HE'LL CHECK 'EM OUT AND IF THEY ARE, THEN THEY'RE GOOD TO GO. IF NOT, THEN WE'LL INVESTIGATE IT ANY FURTHER. LIKE I SAID, IT TURNS INTO A WHOLE THING IF IT'S A MISUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPENING UP AN IA INVESTIGATION [00:30:01] AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL CRIMINAL CHARGES, UM, IF IT'S MISUSED AND THEN, AND OBVIOUSLY DISCIPLINARY ACTION. UM, AS FAR AS WHEN I WAS TALKING TO THE FLOCK REP, HE SAID THAT HE WAS ACTUALLY HAPPY WITH WHAT VIRGINIA DID ON THE RETENTION ON IT AND HOW THEY AUDIT. HE SAID THEY WERE AHEAD OF EVERYONE ELSE AROUND THE AREA. HE WAS THEN WITH THE 21 DAY RETENTION AND ALSO WITH US HAVING A QUARTERLY AUDIT THAT WE HAVE TO REPORT TO VIRGINIA STATE POLICE, UM, AND US DOING OUR MONTHLY AUDITS, I FEEL THAT WE'RE WE'RE AHEAD OF IT AND WE WE'RE PRETTY MUCH GOVERNING OUR OWN PEOPLE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISUSING THE SYSTEM, BUT IT'S LIKE A TOOL IN ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE USE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE VISA AND NCIC THAT IF THERE'S ANY, YOU CAN'T EVEN RUN YOUR OWN PERSONAL STUFF. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VALID REASON TO DO THAT. SAME WITH CRIMINAL HISTORIES. AND THOSE ALSO WOULD HAVE REPERCUSSIONS AND CHARGES OUT OF THAT IN DISCIPLINARY TOO AS WELL. BUT THESE ARE A LIST OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, ONE OF PEOPLE ATTEND, UH, DRUGS. UH, THESE ARE ALL FOR SUCCESSFUL ARRESTS OR WHATEVER WARRANTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE, THE ITEMS HERE THAT WERE, WE USED IT FOR. I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. ON THE ITEMS THAT YOU'VE USED IT FOR, IT SAYS WELFARE CHECKS ONE, BUT IF YOU CAN'T, WHAT IF SOMEBODY'S DRIVING MY CAR, BUT THE WELFARE CHECK WAS CALLED IN ON ME. SO WE HAVE TO VERIFY THAT YOU'RE DRIVING SO YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVERS . NO. SO I HAVE TO EITHER ONE HAVE PROBABLE CALLS TO STOP YOU. SO I, I JUST, I GOTTA HAVE PROBABLE CALLS TO STOP YOU. OH. SO YOU CAN DISPATCH AN OFFICE TO WHERE THE VEHICLE IS. SO WHAT'S MY PROBABLE CAUSE TO STOP YOU? DO YOU, DID YOU NOT USE YOUR TURN SIGNAL, DID YOU, WERE YOU SPEEDING? WERE THOSE, ARE THOSE ELEMENTS THAT HAVE TO I JUST CAN'T GO OFF THAT I HAVE TO HAVE, I JUST KNOW THESE ARE QUESTIONS THE PUBLIC'S GONNA ASK US. . NO, AND THEY'RE VALID QUESTIONS. I MEAN, WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO HAVE A, JUST LIKE IF I WAS OUT THERE OPERATING TRAFFIC, RUNNING RADAR, DOING WHAT HAVE YOU, I HAVE TO HAVE A REASON TO STOP. YEAH. SO IT WASN'T JUST THAT YOU SAW SOMEBODY'S VEHICLE THAT HAD A WELFARE CHECK OUT ON THEM. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. WELL, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE, SO IN TERMS OF THE CRIMES, I MEAN, I'M WONDERING ABOUT REALLY IS SEVEN DAYS ENOUGH? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY DELETING, UM, AFTER SEVEN DAYS AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME OF THESE, YOU, YOU MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA REALLY PUT YOUR STAFF OR YOUR, YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN A RUSH TO HURRY UP AND IDENTIFY SOMETHING AND GET OUT AND, AND PULL THE, I GUESS YOU, YOU PULL THE IMAGES OBVIOUSLY IF THEY'VE BEEN EVIDENCE OF A CRIME. BUT, SO THERE IS A, WHAT THEY CALL A CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, A COLD STORAGE THAT WILL GO BEYOND THAT. AND THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION THAT'S GONNA LEAD TO SOME TYPE OF AN ARREST. SO THIS IS JUST A, A QUICK LOOK HERE. IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, AN INVESTIGATION THAT REQUIRES MORE, UH, AND WE KNOW THAT AN ARREST IS GONNA BE MADE AND WE NEED THAT DETAILED INFORMATION, WE CAN HOLD THAT AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND IT WILL NOT BE, THEY'LL GO TO A COLD STORAGE. UM, THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE JUST TO US, US ONLY, BUT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEARCH BEYOND THE SEVEN DAYS. SO IF YOU COME TO ME AND SAID, OH MAN, THIS UH, THIS TAG NUMBER HERE AND I KNOW THEY WENT THAT DIRECTION, IF IT WAS BEYOND THE SEVEN DAYS, WE, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE THE SYSTEM. BUT I FEEL LIKE SEVEN DAYS, IF YOU HADN'T REPORTED IT WASN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL. WELL IT WAS JUSTLY YOU IF YOUR HOUSE GOT BROKEN INTO OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. AND YOU, YOU ARE ASKING FOLKS TO LOOK AT YOU USUALLY WITHIN A FEW DAYS, UNLESS YOU'RE ON, YOU KNOW, WEEKS OF VACATION, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY CHECKING YOUR HOUSE OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY LIVING IN TOWN OF FARM ROAD THAT IF YOU ARE LEAVING, THEY CALL US AND LET US KNOW. 'CAUSE WE CAN CHECK YOUR PROPERTY FOR YOU. OH, THAT'S NICE. THANK CHIEF. UM, THE HOT LIST MM-HMM . IS THAT CREATED BY DIFFERENT UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES? IN OTHER WORDS, HOW WOULD THE SYSTEM KNOW TO LOOK FOR A LICENSE PLATE? LET ME LOG BACK IN HERE. IT MIGHT BE ON THE SLIDE HERE. IT, I KNOW VS. P'S ON THERE. AMBER ALERT AND THEN, UH, LET'S SEE. I'M GOING THE RIGHT WAY. NOPE, IT'S TOWARDS THE END OF THE BACK OF THE SLIDE THERE. UM, IT'LL TELL YOU WHERE THE HOT LIST. OKAY. YEP. SEE THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT IT'S A HOT LIST ALERT. SO IT'D BE THE MCMC, AMBER ALERT, MCIC AND VSP. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE SOURCES. WE CAN PUT THE HOT LIST IN THERE FOR WHAT WE WANT IT FOR. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S, YOU KNOW, REALLY DOESN'T COME FROM US A WHOLE LOT. IT MORE SO COMES FROM VSP AND AMBER ALERT. UM, AND THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT LOADED IN THERE A LOT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE GET 'EM HERE AND THERE, BUT THIS IS SO ON THIS, UM, WELL, LEMME SEE. DID I SKIP ANY SLIDES? GET TO THAT ONE. UM, SO ANYWAY, ALRIGHT, SO I'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE. SO THIS GOES BACK INTO, UH, TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. UM, THE PURPOSE OF LIMITED, UH, LIMITED TO THIS GOES INTO THE AUDIT REPORTS THAT I WAS SPEAKING OF, UM, WHERE WE HAVE OUR MONTHLY [00:35:01] AUDITS. WE DO A, A QUARTERLY AUDIT THAT'S SENT TO BSP. UM, AND THAT'S ALSO VERIFIED THROUGH FLOCK AS WELL. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE AUTOMATIC AUTOMATED, UH, AUDITING ASSISTANCE TOOL THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO US. UM, BECAUSE OF US GOING THROUGH THE SEVEN DAY DELETION, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT TO HELP US. UM, LIKE I SAID, THEY A, IT IS, WE'LL SCAN ANYTHING THAT IS RE RE YOU KNOW, SEARCHED REPETITIVELY. UM, ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT HAVE A REASON, DOES NOT HAVE AN INSTANT NUMBER THAT DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA, WILL FLAG IT AND IMMEDIATELY ALERT US. UH, WHICH WOULD BE LOGISTICS. CAPTAIN FOGLE, UM, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, HE'S OPENING UP WHERE HE'S LOOKING IN TO MAKE SURE THE, THE INFORMATION WAS LEGIT SEARCH. AND LIKE I SAID, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IF WE LOCATE ANY OF THOSE MISUSES LIKE THAT, THEN YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING OUR INVESTIGATION ON THERE. AND IT COULD LEAD TO CRIMINAL CHARGES AND DISCIPLINARY ACTION. I KNOW THAT, UM, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PAID FOR BY GRANT FUNDING, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO IT WILL COME UP AGAIN WHEN, UH, I BELIEVE IT THE, IT'S LIKE OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, I BELIEVE THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED. UM, IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THEY STARTED IT. LIKE, 'CAUSE I THINK IT WAS SIGNED BY THE PREVIOUS TOWN MANAGER, JOE WALTZ IN DECEMBER. UM, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WENT INTO THAT DECEMBER, IF IT ACTUALLY STARTED ON THE, THE NOVEMBER OR OCTOBER TOWARDS THE END OF THAT MONTH HOW THEY WORKED WITH IT. I KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T GET THE ANYTHING IN PLACE UNTIL WE HAD A POLICY IN PLACE AND HAD A USER THING AND IT WAS AL IT WAS LIKE WHAT JANUARY OR SO LIKE, UH, SO WE WERE SLOW ROLLING IT OUT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD STUFF IN PLACE AND STATE. I THINK, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THE MODEL POLICY CAME FROM. SO IT'LL COME UP AGAIN IN PROBABLY 20, 27 OR SO. YEAH, 27 OCTOBER, I THINK NOVEMBER. SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT. UM, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU PROVIDING ALL THIS INFORMATION AND IT'S SO VERY, I THINK IT'S VERY HARD, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE'VE GOT PRIVACY VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, AND, AND WOULD YOU SAY, I MEAN WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THIS, HOW IT'S AIDED YOU IN CRIME PREVENTION OR ALLEVIATION OR HAVE WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY. I MEAN, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST? THERE'S A BIG COST SAVINGS I GUESS WITH HAVING THE FLOCK CAMERAS IN TERMS OF YOU DON'T HAVE OFFICERS. HOW MANY OFFICERS WOULD YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THOSE CRIMES? SO WITH THE FLOCK, IT REALLY HELPS TO LET US KNOW WHAT DIRECTION THAT VEHICLE MAY BE AT. IT GIVES US A, A LOCATION TO SEND RESOURCES AND THEN IT ALSO, UM, IT HELPS US OUT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. WE NEED THAT LITTLE PUZZLE OF, OR A PIECE OF SOMETHING THAT THEY LEAD US INTO AN INVESTIGATIVE LEAD. YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A FEW CRIMES, UM, THAT HAVE HAPPENED AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, ANY ANYWHERE TO START. SO WE WAS ABLE TO USE THE FLOCK TOOL TO HEY, GET US DEVELOP SOME LEADS AND THEN WE STARTED AN INVESTIGATION. IF I CAN NARROW IT DOWN FROM A HUNDRED PEOPLE DOWN TO FOUR WITHIN, YOU KNOW, 10 MINUTES, THAT'S A WIN. YOU KNOW, THAT COULD, THAT COULD SPEED UP THAT INVESTIGATION AND THE FASTER THAT WE CAN GET THOSE CRIMES INVESTIGATED, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE EVIDENCE. UM, I KNOW IT'S, IT IS HELPED US IN IN A LOT OF 'EM. UM, SOME OF 'EM ARE TRYING TO THINK OF, I DO KNOW THAT IT DID HELP SOLVE AND GET ECE POINTED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR WHEN WE HAD THE VANDALISMS IN TOWN FOR THE BALL BEARINGS. THAT WAS A, A KEY FACTOR IN GETTING US A LEAD AND WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, GET FREDERICK COUNTY INVOLVED AND THEY WERE ABLE TO ASSIST THAT THE WAY WE, WE KNEW WHO WAS, UM, BEHIND THE ACCIDENT. SO THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, THAT DOES HELP. NOW IF WE HAD IT, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT EVENTUALLY MAY HAVE COME OUT, IT JUST WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AS FAST. I DON'T WANNA SIT HERE AND TELL YOU THAT IT'S A TOOL THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AND IT'S GONNA SOLVE CRIME THOUGH I'M GONNA TELL YOU IT DOES SPEED UP THE INVESTIGATION, WHICH TO ME HELPS, YOU KNOW, TIME IS, IS KEY SOMETIMES JUST TO GETTING THAT EVIDENCE. AND THAT REALLY DOES HELP AND IT HAS HELPED US IN THAT, IN, IN REDUCING THAT TIME AND GETTING THAT EVIDENCE THAT WE NEED TO HELP PROSECUTE CASES. BUT ON THIS ONE HERE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS ONE IS ON THE WEBSITE. UH, THIS IS THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL THAT IS LOCATED ON THE TOWN OF FRONT WORLD WEBSITE. SO IF YOU CLICK ON THE FRONT WORLD WEBSITE AND IF YOU GO TO THE FRONT ROW POLICE DEPARTMENT, THIS WILL TELL YOU EVERYTHING ON HERE. THIS IS JUST A SCREENSHOT OF THAT TIME. IT TELLS YOU OR HOW MANY OR SEVEN DAY, UM, DELETION OF RETENTION OF INFORMATION IS DELETED AFTER SEVEN DAYS. HOW MANY CAMERAS WE HAVE, HOW MANY UNIQUE VEHICLES HAVE GONE THROUGH, UM, AND THEN HOW MANY TOTAL SEARCHES AND THEN WHERE OUR HOT LIST COME FROM. UM, AND THE NUMBER OF HOT LISTS WITHIN THAT 30 DAYS. NOW IT DOES, IT WON'T TELL YOU ANY OF THAT INFORMATION BEYOND THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE DELETE. IT'LL JUST TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF CARS THAT IT WENT THROUGH. IT DOESN'T HOLD ANY OF THAT INFORMATION. THAT'S A LOT OF VEHICLES. MM-HMM . WE'RE WHISPERING ABOUT. AND, AND IT CHANGES IN 30 DAYS GOING THROUGH ALL THE CHIEF AND IT CHANGES. UM, SO IF YOU LOG IN THERE, IT WILL CHANGE. YOU CAN LOOK AT IT. I THINK THE NUMBERS WILL BE WAY LOWER. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY TOWARDS THE END OF THE MONTH, BUT IF YOU LOOK NOW IT'S DIFFERENT. IT, IT'S LOWER. WE'LL ALL HAVE TO LOOK AT WEED PAPER SEASON, [00:40:01] SEE WHAT, OH, IMAGINE THE NUMBERS THEN. OH, YOU KNOW, YEAH. YOU WOULD SEE IT ON THE, ON THE SOUTH END OF TOWN AT KAISER. THEY'LL SAY YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT ON JOHN MARSHALL. 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT ONE. BUT STILL, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S STILL A LOT OF, SO THE COUNTY TOWN, JOHN MARSHALL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. YEAH, THEY DO. SO THE COUNTY COUNTY, SHE SAID THE COUNTY DOES HAVE DOES HAVE ONE IN TOWN, JOHN. YEAH. SO THEY NO, NO, WE HAVE ON THE OTHER END LE RUN AND HAPPY CREEK WE DO. AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, LE RUN AND JOHN MARSHALL, THE COUNTY DOES IS THE COUNTY IS WHAT HE JUST SHARED. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE THE JOHN MARSHALL AND LEACH RUN. UM, THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS AT THE TIME THE COUNTY, UM, THEY HAD A MOBILE, I THINK A MOBILE ONE AND THEN A FIXED ONE AND, AND THEY WERE TRYING TO GET PERMITS, UH, TO PUT THOSE ALONG STATE ROADS AND, AND IT WAS HARD, UM, I GUESS GETTING PERMITS FOR THAT. SO, AND I THINK, UH, JOE WALTZ ALLOWED THEM, UH, IF I'M, IF I'M, I WASN'T PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, SO I DON'T KNOW. UM, BUT I WAS TOLD THAT THAT WAS THE PERMISSION TO BE THERE AND THEN WE WERE SHARING WITH WARREN COUNTY, WHICH I DON'T MIND SHARING WITH WARREN COUNTY. WE JUST GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL DOING THE SAME THING. YES. AND I CAN CONTROL MY FOLKS AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL SEE WHAT THAT DIRECTION LOOKS LIKE. I'LL TALK TO SHERIFF KLEIN AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE DO AND, AND YOU KNOW, DOING IT, JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE HOLDING OUR PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE AND LIKE I SAID, WE CAN TOGGLE DOWN EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE SEEING. UM, WHETHER THAT BE JUST, UH, MISSING OR ENDANGERED PEOPLE OR ONE IT FOLKS OR WHAT WE WANT TO DO SO WE CAN CAN TOGGLE THAT DOWN. UM, BUT CURRENTLY WE ARE NOT SHARING WITH ANY OTHER AGENCIES. SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WERE OVER THERE ON THE SIDE, LIKE DUI AND STUFF LIKE THAT MM-HMM . UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE INVESTIGATION LED TO. IT WASN'T LIKE IT WAS IN THE SYSTEM TO LOOK FOR SOMEBODY. SO THAT'S DRIVING IMPAIRED, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO, RIGHT. SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE, UM, SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE, AT THE TIME IT WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE, OH, A DUI COMING INTO YOUR COUNTY, WHAT HAVE YOU, AND THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE NOT SHARING. BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN A, A HIT AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD NEED, UM, YOU KNOW, REASON TO STOP THAT CLUES FOR IMPAIRMENT DIDN'T EVEN STOP FOR THE VEHICLE. SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WERE BEFORE WE TOGGLED OURS BACK, IT COULD BE, UH, I BELIEVE THIS ONE WAS UM, 'CAUSE THIS WAS THE WHOLE YEAR, RIGHT? OR, OR NO, I'M SORRY, LEMME TAKE IT BACK SINCE THE START OF IT. SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN, WHAT, THREE YEARS? UH, OCTOBER 23 OF 22 YEARS. OCTOBER, 2024. SO THIS HAVE BEEN THE START OF IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. GOTCHA. YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS IT IN TOTAL AS FAR AS EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE WITH IT. SO, UH, YOU SAID MOBILE, SO SOME FLOCK CAMERAS CAN BE MOBILE. SO THEY DO HAVE, THEY'RE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T GET 'EM. UM, BUT I THINK THEY'RE ONLY LIKE A TRAILER OR SOMETHING. JUST KIND OF LIKE THE LIGHTS AND THE CAMERA SYSTEMS THAT LIKE VDO WOULD USE. YEAH. UM, THEY WOULD HAVE 'EM ON THOSE MOBILE DEVICE WHERE THEY CAN MOVE THEM AROUND. UM, I, I I BELIEVE THAT ONE WAS IN LINDEN, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW THEY'RE FIXED ONE AND WE WENT WITH ALL FIXED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE, WE GOT THE STRUCTURE TO PUT IT ON. TRUE. THAT IS TRUE. I HAVEN'T THINK ABOUT THAT. THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE MM-HMM . LIKE POLLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IS THIS, DOES CAMP HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IJI JUST HAVE ONE. UM, SO, UH, THE DATA ON THE TRANS, THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL. OKAY. UM, IS THIS CURRENT? NO, THIS IS A SCREENSHOT. SO IF YOU LOG IN NOW, LIKE IT CHANGES DAILY. OKAY. NO, I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHEN THIS SNAPSHOT WAS TAKEN. SO THIS WOULD'VE BEEN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TIMESTAMPED ON THERE. UM, I WOULDN'T SAY LAST MONTH. UM, BUT YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AND, AND OKAY. WHAT THE, THE NUMBER ONE THAT YOU LOOK UP NOW WOULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS. SURE. SO THE A HUNDRED AND THE 132,000 OR JUST UNDER 132,000 PLATES DETECTED. SO THAT'S HOW MANY GENERATED 12 SEARCHES. THAT'S GOING TO BE HOW MANY VEHICLES WENT THROUGH ALL SIX CAMERAS. SO OUT OF THAT MANY OF THAT TOTAL, THERE WAS 12 SEARCHES. THEN ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KEITH? CHIEF? NONE OF THE OFFICERS HAVE ACCESS TO IT. NO. UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY GOT ENOUGH GOING ON IN THAT CAR AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE, WE GOT YOUNG OFFICERS AND UH, I ASK BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN SOME OFFICERS CHARGED, WE KNOW THE JURISDICTIONS ABOUT IT. THAT'S WHAT NOW THERE'S BEEN SOME OFFICERS CHARGED WITH THE MISUSE OF THE FLOCK. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IN VIRGINIA HAS BEEN CHARGED, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WHEN I TALKED TO THE FLOCK REP, HE SAID THAT OUT OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DID THE MISUSE, THEY'RE, THEY ARE CHARGED. SO HE SAID THEY'RE NOT OF IT IS NOT BEING REPORTED, BUT HE SAID EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM ARE CHARGED. UM, WHICH I COULD TELL YOU AND I WOULD, [00:45:01] UH, TAG GEORGE IN HERE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE ELECTRONIC TRACKING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHEREVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, AND WHATEVER MEANS OF SEARCHES, LIKE THERE'S VIRGINIA CODE AGAINST THAT AND IT BEING CHARGED WITH ANY OF THOSE, IT WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON YOUR EMPLOYMENT AND BEING CERTIFIED AS AN OFFICER. SO TRUE. IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE. SO THE 18 USERS ARE DISPATCHERS, COMMAND, STAFF, INVESTIGATIONS, WHAT? AND WE, UH, BUT NOT OFFICERS CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS. NOPE. CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND THEN CID AND THEN I HAVE TWO, UH, COMMAND STAFF THAT ARE THERE. AND THE REASON WHY WE, WE CHOSE THE MAJOR AND THE CAPTAINS BECAUSE THE CAPTAIN OVERSEES IT. AND IF SAY YOU HAVE THE CAPTAIN IS OUT FOR THE DAY, THEN I KNOW THE MAJOR'S GONNA BE THERE. AND THAT WAY IF WE DO GET THOSE ALERTS FROM FLOCK FROM A MISUSE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO INVESTIGATE IT RIGHT THEN AND THERE. THANK YOU. SO I I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION CHIEF. UM, IF, SO, IF WE'RE ONLY RETAINING THE DATA FOR SEVEN DAYS AND THEN IT'S BEING AUDITED OVER 30 DAYS, ARE WE ONLY LOOKING AT A SEVEN DAY WINDOW OF THE AUDIT? SO FLOCK HAS A TOOL IN PLACE THAT IT SAYS THERE'S AN ISSUE, WE'RE NOTIFIED IMMEDIATELY FOR US. WE'RE GOING BACK, WE'RE ALL, WE'RE GOING. AND THEN THAT THOROUGH AUDIT TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE GOOD. IF ANYTHING THAT IS SEARCHED WITHIN ANY TIMEFRAME, IT COULD BE A DAY, TWO DAYS, EITHER NO MATTER FLOCK IS NOTIFYING US, HEY, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THIS. SO IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, OTHER INVESTIGATIVE TOOLS. WE DO A MONTHLY AUDIT ON THINGS. EVEN THOUGH THIS TOOL WILL TELL US ON A DAILY AUDIT WHEN THIS HAPPENS, WE'RE STILL GOING BACK AND DOING . SO IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF THAT IMMEDIATE USE THAT, HEY, WE NEED ATTENTION, WE'RE BEING NOTIFIED, BUT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA FIND OUT WITHIN THE 30 DAYS THAT IF SOMETHING'S WRONG OR IF FLO NOTIFIES US THAT HEY, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SEARCH AND VALID SEARCH OR THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON WE'RE FINDING OUT IMMEDIATELY. SO THANK YOU. I FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE IN THE AUDIT SYSTEM WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT THEY HAVE AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT IN 30 DAYS. I WOULDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO IT EVERY DAY, BUT WE COULD DO IT EVERY DAY OR 30 DAYS AND DO A COMPLETE AUDIT AND THEN WE'RE DOING THAT SAME THING EVERY QUARTER WHEN WE'RE SUBMITTING THAT TO STATE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEP. IT'S BEEN VERY INFORMATIVE AND I HOPE THAT, UM, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE, WE UH, WANT, WANTED TO HEAR THIS INFORMATION, BUT I HOPE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THIS PRESENTATION. UM, AND IT'LL BE SAVED ON OUR WEBSITE SO THEY CAN WATCH IT MULTIPLE TIMES IF THEY'D LIKE. SO I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER AND COMING TONIGHT AND SHARING IT WITH US. YES MA'AM. AND ANY QUESTIONS WHATSOEVER, PLEASE ASK AND I OPEN UP THE RIDE ALONG TO ALL OF Y'ALL, SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME DOWN AND RIDE AND SEE WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT AND WHAT WE'RE USING. UH, I ENCOURAGE HIM. THANK YOU. THANKS CHIEF. ALRIGHT, WELL FOLKS, OUR NEXT SECTION IS PUBLIC HEARINGS. SORRY, I HAVE TO LOOK AT MY, I USUALLY I HAVE THINGS TO READ, BUT MY NUMBERS ARE OFF TONIGHT 'CAUSE OF, HMM. HERE WE ARE. [9.A. Financing of Riverton Sewer Lift Station & Centrifuge Projects] ALRIGHT, SO, UM, WE COME TO NOW COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE AGENDA. PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO LEARN OF INFORMATION OF WHICH THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY AWARE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE RECOGNIZED AND COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND INDICATE IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN FOR ROYAL. IF THE COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, YOU MAY SIMPLY STATE THAT YOU AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. THERE IS A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR SPEAKERS. AFTER THREE MINUTES, THE MICROPHONE WILL CUT OFF. PLEASE REMEMBER YOU DIRECT TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNSEL AND TO REFRAIN FROM WORDS OR STATEMENTS WHICH ARE DEFAMATORY TO SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS OR DISPLAY OTHER DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT INCLUDING OBSCENITY AND VULGARITY AND GROUPS ARE INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE CREATING AN ATMOSPHERE DETRIMENTAL TO OR DISTURBING THE ORDERLY CONDUCT. THE MEETING WILL BE ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM SUCH CONDUCT ONCE AND ANY ADDITIONAL DISTURBANCE AFTER THE WARNING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED AND THE MAYOR WILL HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO ASK THE CHIEF TO REMOVE THE INDIVIDUAL GROUP OR CLEAR THE ROOM SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF THE TOWN. SO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS THE FINANCING OF THE RIVERTON SEWER LIFT STATION AND CENTRIFUGE PROJECTS. AND I'M SO SORRY TO SAY, UM, THAT I, I YOU HAVE TO READ THE SUMMARY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT'S A LONG ONE TOO. I, I'LL DO THE NEXT ONE. YOU DO ONE. THIS ONE'S SHORT COMPARED TO THE OTHERS. THE NEXT ONE. OH, OKAY. GOOD. , THE TOWN APPLIED [00:50:01] FOR VIRGINIA WATER FACILITIES REVOLVING FUNDS TO PROVIDE FINANCING FOR THE RIVERTON SEWER PUMP STATION. POLYMER, NO, I CAN'T READ ESTIMATE. 1,800,000 AND A CENTRIFUGE FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. WHAT PRELIMINARY. I KNOW PRELIMINARY AS ESTIMATE 7,960,000 VIRGINIA RESOURCE AUTHORITY AUTHORIZED FUNDING FOR THE PROJECTS IN MARCH, 2026. IN ORDER FOR THE TOWN TO CLOSE ON FINANCING, THE TOWN MUST HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO OBTAIN ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC. REGARDING THE FINANCING STAFF IS REQUESTING FOR COUNCIL TO DIRECT STAFF TO ADVERTISE AND HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FINANCING. DURING THE SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2026 REGULAR MEETING DURING FINAL ENGINEERING FOR THE CENTRIFUGE PROJECT, THE PROJECT COST ESTIMATED INCREASE TO 10,423,000 DUE TO UPDATING THE EQUIVALENT PRICING. BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE SCOPE AND REQUESTED ALTERNATIVES, THE TOWN IS ABLE TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL FINANCING FROM VIRGINIA RESOURCE AUTHORITY. IF THE PROJECTS ARE SOLICITED FOR PROCUREMENT AND FOUND TO BE HIGHER THAN THE AMOUNTS LISTED IN THE COMMITMENT LETTERS FROM THE VIRGINIA RESOURCE AUTHORITY. THE AMOUNTS THE TOWN MAY REQUEST CANNOT EXCEED THE AMOUNTS INCLUDED IN THE ADVERTISING FOR PUBLIC HEARING. THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS TO ADVERTISE FOR THE TOTAL FINANCING, 12,223,000 RIVERTON PUMP STATION, 1,800,000 PLUS TEN MILLION TWENTY THREE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED TWENTY THREE THOUSAND. THANK YOU. THREE CENTRIFUGE STAFF DOES NOT ANTICIPATE REQUESTING FINANCING FOR THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF 10,423,000 FOR THE CENTRIFUGE. BUT HAVING THE ADVERTISING INCLUDE FOR THE 10,423,000 FOR THE CENTRIFUGE WILL ALLOW THE TOWN FLEXIBILITY TO ADD AND REMOVE ALTERNATIVES IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN. SOUTH WILL RETURN TO COUNCIL WITH MORE INFORMATION AND REQUEST TO APPROVAL OF THE AWARDING CONTRACTS OR BOTH PROJECTS AS WELL AS APPROVAL FINANCING DURING FUTURE MEETINGS. THE VERITAN SEWER PUMP STATION PROJECT HAS BEEN SOLICITED FOR PROCUREMENT AND THE RESPONSES CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REVIEWED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, THE CENTRIFUGE IS SCHEDULED TO BE SOLICIT FOR PROCUREMENT IN SEPTEMBER, 2026. THE ESTIMATED INTEREST RATE IS 3.2% FOR A TERM OF 25 YEARS. IN ESTIMATED ANNUAL PAYMENTS OF 104,690, THE RIVERTON SEWER PUMP STATION AND 606,216 THE TOWN WE'RE TO FINANCE THE 10,423,000 FOR THE CENTRIFUGE PROJECT. THE FY 27 BUDGET CURRENTLY INCLUDES 485,000 UNDER THE SEWER FUND CONTINGENCY FOR THE PROJECTS. THE FIRST PAYMENTS OF THE FINANCING WOULD BE DUE DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 28 IF THE PROJECTS IN FINANCING CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. NO, THAT WAS ARDUOUS MOUTHFUL. THAT WAS AN ARDUOUS TASK. OKAY, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SORRY, . GOOD LORD OF MY HEARING AID. I'M . MS. ONG, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO. SO ANYBODY WHO WISHES JUST TO SPEAK, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC, THE HEARING . OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT. COUNCIL APPROVES FINANCING THROUGH THE VIRGINIA WATER FACILITIES REVOLVING FUND IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 12,223,000 CONSISTING OF UP TO 1,800,000 FOR THE RIVERTON SEWER PUMP STATION PROJECT. AND UP TO $10,423,000 FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT CENTRIFUGE PROJECT. AND AUTHORIZED TO PROCEED WITH THE FINANCING. SECOND. MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? A ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DEPA? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCILMAN LOC? YES. VICE MAYOR BETHAL? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. [9.B. Ordinance Amendment - Zoning Administrator and Deputy Zoning Administrator Responsibilities] THE NEXT STEP IS ITEM NINE B. UM, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND DEPUTIES ZONING ADMINISTRATOR RESPONSIBILITIES. AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 1 47 TO AMEND THE PROVISIONS FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND DEPUTY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 1 47 CURRENTLY PROVIDES THAT THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING SHALL SERVE AS THE TOWN ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. THE ORDINANCE WAS LAST AMENDED IN 1999. IT ALSO PROVIDES FOR ONE, EXCUSE ME, ONE DEPUTY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WHO IS APPOINTED BY THE TOWN MANAGER. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD CHANGE THE CURRENT STRUCTURE BY ALLOWING THE TOWN COUNCIL OR TOWN MANAGER TO DESIGNATE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW FOR MORE THAN ONE DEPUTY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. [00:55:04] MS. WILTON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO. NO. UH, DOES ANYONE HERE WISH TO SPEAK? UM, AND, AND MR. WARE, IT JUST DAWNED ON ME THAT YOU'RE HERE, UM, . NOT THAT I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE HERE, BUT DID YOU WANT THAT? I THERE WAS NO NEED. WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO CALL ON YOU TO TALK ABOUT THIS. WERE WE NOT ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. THANK GOODNESS. ALRIGHT. SORRY. I FELT BAD. I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS. YOU WERE SITTING THERE WAITING FOR ME TO CALL ON YOU AND I WAS IF IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL. OKAY. YES. OBVIOUSLY, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO NO ONE'S WISHES TO SPEAK. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL MADAM MAYOR IN FURTHERANCE OF THE PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES CONTAIN IN TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH ONE B IN FINDING THAT THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE, SO REQUIRE I MOVE THAT COUNSEL ADOPTS ZONING TAX AMENDMENTS TO TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 1 47 AMENDING THE PROVISIONS FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND DEPUTY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AS PRESENTED. SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS, UH, I THINK THIS ALLOWS, UH, A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THE PLANNING ZONING DEPARTMENT AND, UH, I LEAVE, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DEMAN AT THE PAIN? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCILMAN OCK? YES. VICE MAYOR BY ANDAL? [9.C. Ordinance Amendment - Defline Outdoor Dining Area, Permit Outdoor Dining in C-1 and C-2 Districts, and Establish Performance Standards] YES. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS NINE C. UM, AND THAT IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO DEFINE OUTDOOR DINING AREA PERMIT OUTDOOR DINING IN C ONE AND C TWO DISTRICTS, AND ESTABLISH PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. THIS AMENDMENT WILL PROVIDE PARAMETERS FOR STAFF TO REGULATE AND PREVENT BUSINESS OWNERS TO PROVIDE OUTDOOR SPEAKING WITHIN THE TOWN'S COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. PC HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 15TH AND FORWARDED A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, AND I DO BELIEVE BEFORE I OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING STAFF WISHES TO SPEAK. YEAH, YOU GOT, YOU GOT THE B TEAM. SORRY. BUT I GOT, UH, I GOT JOHN TO HELP ME OUT. SO, UM, SO WE WANTED TO PRESENT THIS. WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AT EARLIER WORK SESSION AND THEN ON AUGUST 10TH. AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, AND ALSO IN FRONT OF YOU, ARE SOME ADDITIONAL REVISIONS. OBVIOUSLY, YOU STILL HAVE THE ORIGINAL PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WERE ADVERTISED, WHICH YOU WOULD CAN APPROVE AS IS OR FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNSEL CAN MAKE, UM, CORRECTIONS REVISIONS TO THAT ORDINANCE. AND SOME OF THOSE ARE WHAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT HERE. THIS, THIS EVENING. ON TOP OF THIS SLIDE IS THE ORIGINAL OUTDOOR DINING AREA, WHICH WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, MS. KAKI PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AT A WORK SESSION TONIGHT. UM, WE HAVE SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE OUTDOOR DINING, AND IF YOU NOTICE, WE, UH, STRUCK AREA AS A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE USE OF OUTDOOR DINING TO REALLY DEFINE IT AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A LEGAL RESTAURANT. THAT IS THE KEY IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE TO MAKE ANY FUTURE APPLICANT COMPLIANT. THIS ALSO MAKES ANYONE WITH EXISTING OUTDOOR DINING COMPLIANT WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, BASED ON EARLIER DISCUSSIONS AT THE WORK SESSION, WE REMOVE THE TEMPORARY UNATTACHED AND EASILY REMOVABLE. 'CAUSE WE MENTIONED AT THE LAST ONE, THERE SOMETIMES MAY BE SOME SEMI-PERMANENT STRUCTURE, SUCH AS AWNINGS OR BUILT IN BENCHES, AND THAT EVERYTHING SHOULD BE SECURED. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT AWAY. IT JUST HAS TO BE SECURED. I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED AT THE MEETING. EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH THAT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A TRUE ISSUE WITH UMBRELLAS AND TABLES BLOWING AROUND. SO WHATEVER PEOPLE ARE DOING TODAY SEEMS TO BE WORKING WELL. WHAT WE ALSO DEFINED AT THE VERY END IS THAT OUTDOOR DINING IS IN ACCESSORY USE, PROVIDED THAT IT MEET THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, WHICH YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL. WE WANTED TO STATE THAT AGAIN, IT SAYS THAT IT IS AN ACCESSORY USE AND CURRENT IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION. IT FURTHER LISTED IT AS AN ACCESSORY USE. UNDER THAT MISCELLANEOUS, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS BECAUSE IT [01:00:01] ALREADY SAYS IT'S AN ACCESSORY USE IN THE DEFINITION, THE, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE C ONE DISTRICT. IT SAYS, ACCESSORY USES ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. AND THIS IS AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE RESTAURANT. SO WE JUST FELT, AND WITH LEGAL HELP THAT IT WAS JUST REDUNDANT TO HAVE IT IN BOTH PLACES. UM, ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION WE'RE DOING THAT, AND THIS WAS IN CONSULTATION WITH STAFF, IS IF IT IS REMOVED FROM THAT MISCELLANEOUS TO ENSURE THAT STAFF AND THE PUBLIC OR AN APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS, AS THEY LOOK THROUGH OUR DEFINITIONS THAT THIS IS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A RESTAURANT, WE WOULD ADD THAT LANGUAGE TO THE RESTAURANT DEFINITION AS WELL. ONCE AGAIN, OUTDOOR DINING IS ACCESSORY USE TO A LAWFUL RESTAURANT CAFE OR FOOD ESTABLISHMENT. FOLLOWING THAT, THEY MEET THOSE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. SO NOW WE GO TO THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE. ONCE AGAIN, RESTATE THAT. IT'S AN ACCESSORY USE. UM, WE REMOVE THE SECTIONS IN WHICH IT'S ALLOWED BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE A LAWFUL RESTAURANT, YOU WHETHER, WHATEVER ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS, YOU CAN ALSO DO OUTDOOR DINING AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE RESTAURANT. SO IF IT RESTAURANTS WERE ADDED TO ANOTHER ZONING DISTRICT IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE NOT HAVING TO GO BACK AND AMEND THIS AS WELL. THE QUESTION ALSO CAME UP ABOUT THE 50%, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT, AND THIS IS A QUESTION THAT WE WRESTLED WITH A LITTLE BIT, EVEN AS OF TODAY, PROBABLY JUST MINUTES BEFORE THIS MEETING. UM, DOES ALLOWING MORE THAN 50% CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF ACCESSORY USE? AND WE DO FEEL THAT IT DOES. UM, THE ACCESSORY USE IS DEFINED BY TOWN CODE SAYS IT IS SUBORDINATE TO THE PRINCIPAL USE. ONCE YOU BECOME GREATER THAN 50%, THAT THEN BECOMES THE PRINCIPAL USE. SO, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT ACCESSORY USES THAT ARE IMMEDIATE. SO IF YOU'RE A RESTAURANT, FOR INSTANCE, YOUR PRINCIPAL USE YOUR COOKING, YOUR RESTAURANTS, OFFICE SPACE BAR, ALL OF THAT IS LIKELY HAPPENING WITHIN A PRINCIPAL BUILDING. THIS IS ACCESSORY TO THAT PRINCIPAL USE. IF YOU EXCEED 50%, THEN THE OUTDOOR DINING BECOMES THAT PRINCIPLE. AND THIS IS JUST IN DEFINITION. NOW, I WILL SAY WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE OF KEEPING THAT ACCESSORY AND PRINCIPLE, UH, CONSISTENT. IF IN THE FUTURE WE FELT THAT WE WANTED MORE OF SOMETHING, THAT IT WAS MORE THAN 50%, WHEREAS MORE OF AN OUTDOOR SETTING, WE THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH OTHER LANGUAGE OUTSIDE OF THIS. UM, MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION OF ADDING THAT TO LANGUAGE IN THE FUTURE. BUT IN THE CURRENT CONVERSATION OF JUST SPECIFIC OUTDOOR DINING ACCESSORY TO RESTAURANTS, WE FEEL THE 50% KEEPS IT WITHIN THAT, WHAT IS DEFINED AS AN ACCESSORY. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S ALL OF MY SLIDES FOR TONIGHT, BUT IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU HAVE THIS IN WRITING. UM, THE BLUE TEXT IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY. IT'S FRONT AND BACK. ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE AMENDMENTS TO THE DEFINITIONS. UM, ONCE AGAIN, IT, THAT 50% IS BASICALLY BECAUSE IT'S, WE'VE DEFINED IT AS AN ACCESSORY USE. AND IF WE DID ANY MORE THAN IT WOULD GO BEYOND. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND I KNOW MR. WARE OR MR. SONIC CAN ALSO HELP ASSIST WITH THOSE. MR. PETTY, THE QUESTION THAT CONTINUES TO BOTHER ME OR HAUNT ME IS WE HAVE OUTDOOR DINING PRESENTLY, AND SOME OF THAT APPEARS TO BE, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A MAP, BUT APPEARS TO BE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. MM-HMM . AND WE, AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, WE DON'T ADDRESS IT. I REALIZE, UM, THAT, UM, IN THE, IN THE RED, UH, RIDING C OPERATORS MUST USE PLANTERS ROPES, REMOVABLE RAILINGS TO CLEARLY SEPARATE THE DINING AREA FROM NEARBY PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICLE TRAFFIC. I INTERPRET THAT AS ASSUMING THAT YOU HAVE YOUR SPACE, PART OF YOUR BUILDING SPACE OUTSIDE, YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT NOWHERE DO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN PUT CHAIRS OUT ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THAT IS CORRECT. AND AS WE'VE TALKED, IF SOMEBODY'S USING THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH ON ZONING THAT IS SEPARATE, UM, I BELIEVE WE'VE DONE ENCROACHMENT LICENSES WITH COUNSEL. UM, THERE'S [01:05:01] RIGHT OF WAY UTILIZATIONS. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE PROCESS IN WHICH WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT INTERNALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE USING THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS FOR THAT. THIS IS, THIS ORDINANCE HERE IS SPECIFIC TO YOUR, OR IS IT PRIVATE PROPERTY? THE RESTAURANT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. OKAY. IF A RESTAURANT OR A CAFE OR ANYBODY, FOR INSTANCE, WANTS TO USE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THEY SHOULD BE COMING TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL FOR THAT, TO UTILIZE THAT RIGHT OF WAY. UM, THAT IS CHARTER STATED ENCROACHMENTS ON RIGHT OF WAY AND PUBLIC STREETS. AND THAT WOULD FALL INTO THAT AND THAT WOULD GO THROUGH WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR COUNSEL APPROVAL. AND THAT IS SOMETHING, AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PLANNING AND LEGAL TO ENSURE ALL OF OUR FORMS AND POLICIES AND PROCESS ARE THERE FOR THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, SIDE. BUT THIS IS SPECIFIC TO PRIVATE. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST ADD THAT, UM, BY TOWN CODE, YOU CANNOT OBSTRUCT SIDEWALKS, STREETS, ET CETERA. SO THAT WOULD COVER LIKE PERSONAL PROPERTY, UH, ENCROACHMENTS OR MORE, UH, STRUCTURES, WHICH YOU CAN BY CHARTER, UH, ARE NOT PERMITTED OR SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. D UM, HE SAID C BUT IT SAYS D ON THE THREAD. UM, OPERATORS MUST USE PLANTERS ROPES OR REMOVABLE RAILINGS TO CLEANLY SEPARATE THE DINING AREA FROM NEARBY PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICLE TRAFFIC. WHILE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH IT, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A BUSINESS NOW THAT HAS OUTDOOR THINGS THAT DOES NOT, UM, DOES NOT USE ROPES OR REMOVABLE RAILINGS. I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING, SO WOULD THIS BUSINESS BE APPROACHED IF THIS, IF THIS WERE TO PASS, WOULD THIS BUSINESS THEN BE APPROACHED WITH, YOU WILL NOW NEED TO DO THIS? I MEAN, I SAID WE'RE, WE'RE IN THAT PROCESS NOW WITH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO ENSURE THAT ALL RIGHT OF WAY, WHETHER IT'S PERSONAL PROPERTY, OUTDOOR SEATING, SIGNAGE, THAT IT'S ALL ADHERED. SO WE'RE WORKING ON ENFORCEMENT OF THAT NOW. BUT THAT AGAIN, THAT IT WOULD BE SEPARATE IF IT'S IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, IT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO HAVE APPROVAL FROM COUNSEL. SO THERE MAY BE OTHER CONDITIONS BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE COMING TO YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR THAT USE AND HOW THEY WOULD PROPOSE TO USE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND THE ONE I'M ENVISIONING IS ACTUALLY, IF I'M, I MEAN, TRULY IT'S NOT SO FAR OUT THAT IT IS IN THE PEDESTRIAN WALKAWAY. IT KIND OF TUCKS BACK A LITTLE BIT. UM, FROM THE, FROM, UM, MAIN STREET, IT TUCKS BACK A LITTLE BIT. UM, SO WHERE PEOPLE WERE UP ON THE SIDEWALK, THEY DON'T REALLY WALK, THEY DON'T REALLY WALK BY IT, BUT THE TABLES, THE ROUND TABLES ARE KIND OF TUCKED BACK. SO I, I I, I THAT'S ALL I WAS JUST WONDERING. AND WE DON'T, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANYBODY YET. WE DON'T HAVE A LARGE CROWD. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY FEEDBACK FROM ANYONE. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THIS AND DON'T HAVE A, A PROBLEM WITH IT. I WOULD, I JUST WAS ASKING THE GENERIC QUESTION THAT IF THERE WERE BUSINESSES THAT CURRENTLY, UM, HAD SOME OUTSIDE DINING THAT WERE NOT USING PLANTERS ROPES OR REMOVABLE RAILINGS TO SEPARATE IT, WE WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO CONTACT THAT BUSINESS AND TELL THEM, YOU WILL NOW HAVE TO DO THIS TO, IN ORDER TO BE COMPLIANT WITH IT IF THIS PASSES. AND THEN THAT'S THE ONE THING WE'RE TRYING TO BE CLEAR IS WE'RE NOT TRYING TO IMPACT ANYBODY WHO'S ALREADY DOING IT. SURE, SURE, SURE. THIS IS REALLY FOR THE NEXT PERSON TO APPLY THAT. UM, BECAUSE WHATEVER THEY, MOST OF THESE PLACES HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. THIS IS REALLY MOVING FORWARD TO ENSURE THAT ANYBODY ELSE IS COMPLIANT. RIGHT. IS KEY. BUT EVEN IF THEY HAVE HAD OUTSIDE DINING MM-HMM . AND THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH THIS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT TOO. I MEAN, I WOULD ARE MADE AWARE OF THE SITUATION. YEAH. ARE MADE AWARE OF IT. YEAH. I I, I'M JUST, I'M SUCH A FAIR AMOUNT OF PERSON. LIKE I'D BE THE KIND WHO WAS LIKE, WELL, IF HE'S GOTTA DO IT, I GOTTA DO IT. SO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? I DO. WE HAD DISCUSSED LIKE THE APPLICATION AND THE APPLICATION FEE FOR THIS. THERE ISN'T ANY. SO IF, IF A NEW RESTAURANT WERE TO COME AND APPLY FOR THEIR ZONING PERMIT, IT WOULD BE THE ZONING PERMIT FEES FOR A NEW APPLICATION. BUT, AND SO THE EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT HAVE OUTDOOR SEATING DON'T NEED TO COME AND APPLY. THEY'RE ALREADY IN EXISTING. SO THEY'VE [01:10:01] ALREADY APPLIED FOR THEIR, THIS JUST PUTS THEM INTO COMPLIANCE AS FAR AS I'M AWARE. I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANYTHING NEW. WELL, THEY HAVEN'T APPLIED. THAT WAS WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORK SESSION. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE CITED FOR NOT BEING IN COMPLIANCE FOR NOT HAVE APPLYING BECAUSE THEY'VE EXISTED FOR 50 YEARS. LIKE I SAID, UNLESS THERE'S A VIOLATION THAT WE'RE MADE AWARE OF, THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANY OTHER VIOLATION. BUT OTHERWISE, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS MAINLY FOR MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? JUST, UH, YES. UH, UNDER G UH, THE LAST, UH, SENTENCE AND PROVIDE ADEQUATE TRASH RECEPTACLES. I THINK I'M THINKING OF THE SAME PLACE THAT THE MAYOR MAY BE THINKING OF. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY OUTSIDE RECEPTACLES THAT, UH, THE PARTICULAR BUSINESS HAS PROVIDED. HOWEVER, THERE IS A TRASH CAN, UH, THAT IS A, A TOWN TRASH CAN NEARBY. I, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT HAS TO BE OUTDOORS. THE TRASH RECEPTACLE COULD BE INSIDE THE ESTABLISHMENT. IT COULD, IT COULD BE INSIDE. UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOME PLACES THEY GIVE YOU ACTUAL REAL DISHES AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE THEM IN IF THERE'S NOT STAFF. SO, OKAY. I THINK THE REAL THING IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE SPACE IS KEPT CLEAN AND THAT LITTER ISN'T FREE TO BE BLOWN. SINCE IT IS OUTDOORS, IT'S NOT BLOWING AWAY. AND I'LL, LIKE I SAID, FOR THE ONES THAT HAVE IT NOW, I, I THINK DO A GOOD JOB OF KEEPING, YOU KNOW, OUR TOWN CLEAN. MM-HMM . AND THEIR, THEIR TRASH ISN'T BLOWING AWAY THEIR LIQUOR, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE HAVE ANY QUE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SO I'M GONNA OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING. MS. GOONG, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING? I'M SO SURPRISED. I'M SO SURPRISED, BUT OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL. AND COUNSEL, JUST FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE. I KNOW THERE'S STUFF ON V BUT WE ALSO HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, UM, UH, AN OUTDOOR DINING POSSIBLE MOTION AS WELL. SO I DON'T KNOW, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE AVAILABLE TOO. MADAM MAYOR, IN FURTHERANCE OF THE PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES CONTAINED IN TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH ONE B AND FINDING THAT THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. SO REQUIRED UP. LET ME CANCEL THAT. THAT'S THE WRONG MOTION. BE AMENDED. NO. IS NOT OKAY. NO. ALRIGHT, SO THAT WAS THE RIGHT ONE. NO, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE I'S GOOD. MM-HMM . JUST SAID, MY APOLOGIES. I I IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE IT. SO I'LL CONTINUE IN GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. SO REQUIRE I MOVE A COUNCIL, ADOPT ZONING TAX AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE 1 7 5 DASH THREE AND 1 7 5 DASH ONE 18 TO DEFINE AN OUTDOOR DINING AREA PERMIT OUTDOOR DINING AS AN ACCESSORY USE AND ESTABLISH PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR OUTDOOR DINING AREAS AS PRESENTED AND AMENDED. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION. AND SECOND ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF. NOW THAT THE CONFUSION OF WHICH MOTION FOR APPROVING IT HAS BEEN READ IN OUR PACKET. THERE'S AN APPROVAL AND AMENDED AND A DENIAL, I ASSUME WHAT IN OUR PACKET STATES AMENDED IS WHAT'S PRINTED AND ON THE DAIS IN FRONT OF US AS, AS SORRY, AS PRESENTED IS WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AND WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE SLIDES. OKAY. SO PRESENTED IN FRONT OF YOU AND THAT'S, IT SAYS AS AMENDED IN YOUR PACKET. BUT BECAUSE WE ALSO PRESENTED LANGUAGE TODAY, SO THIS IS WHAT OUR PACKET SHOWS AS AMENDED. YEAH. YEAH. AMENDED. YES. THAT AMENDS ALSO WHAT WAS, AND THE CHANGE TOOK OUT THE C ONE AND THE C TWO. NO, THAT SAYS IT IN BOTH OF THOSE. NOT IN THIS ONE THAT HE JUST READ THE ONE. OKAY. WELL THEN AND AMENDED IN OUR PACKET. IT'S THE WRONG LANGUAGE. THIS IS WHY I GET VERY FRUSTRATED WHEN WE'RE PRESENTED INFORMATION THAT WE'RE TAKING ACTION ON. WE [01:15:01] WALKED INTO THIS APPROVAL AND AMENDED IN OUR PACKET THEN ARE THE SAME EXACT THING. IS THAT CORRECT? NO APPROVAL. SO IN THE PACKET ON PAGE 50. CORRECT. AND THEN WHAT WE'VE GIVEN YOU IN YOUR HANDBOOK AND WHAT WE ARE ON YOUR DESK AND WHAT WE PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN TO THE PUBLIC IS WHAT HAS BEEN AS PRESENTED AND AMENDED. SO THEY AMENDED AND IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE YOU, COULD WE, AND YOU COULD ASK MR. SON, YOU CAN ALSO LIST THE CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION. I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT'S IN BLUE, WHAT'S PRINTED OUT BEFORE US BLUE AND STRUCK THROUGH RED. YEAH. STRIKE. STRIKE THROUGH BLUE. I KNOW THE C ONE AND C TWO, IT MIXED USE, ALL THAT STUFF WAS TAKEN OUT. 'CAUSE AS THEY SAID, IF, IF A RESTAURANT'S GONNA BE IN ONE OF THOSE ANYWAY. RIGHT. SO IT WASN'T NECESSARY. AND, AND SAYING THAT OUTDOOR DINING IS NOW AN ACCESSORY USE THAT WAS, THOSE WERE THE CHANGES, RIGHT? THE ONLY THING DROPPED WAS THE COMMUNITY BUSINESS LINE, RIGHT? CORRECT. NO, IF IT, IF IT'S HELPFUL, I CAN GO THROUGH THE CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL. IF THAT'S YOU, I'M JUST REREADING IT BEFORE I HAVE A RECORDED VOTE ON THIS MATTER BECAUSE I WAS COMPARING IT TO THE PACKET, WHICH IS NOT, IS THERE ANY WAY, UH, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, UH, REVISE THE, THE AMENDED, I GUESS, LANGUAGE TO REFLECT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? BECAUSE NOW I'M A LITTLE, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS WELL. WELL, THE ONE I, I, I'M TAKING IT THAT THE ONE SINGLE SHEET THAT WE HAVE FRONT AND BACK OVERRIDES THIS SHEET THAT THE DRAFT. RIGHT. SO RIP I'M RIPPING THAT ONE OFF. I'M NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT ONE. WELL, I WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE BEFORE I, THAT THAT'S WHY I WAS CONFUSED. YEAH, I THINK IT'S THIS IS IT THIS ONE WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT? YEAH. THIS ONE IS FOR ALL OF THIS, THE ONE THAT WAS JUST READ THE MOTION THAT WAS READ. SO THE MOTION THAT WAS READ DOES NOT INCORPORATE THAT ONE. IT'S FOR THE ONE PAGE AND FOR THE REST. SO THAT'S THE CONFUSING PART. THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO READ THROUGH. THAT'S WHY I WAS SORTING THROUGH DURING SOME OF THE DISCUSSION TO MAKE SURE I HAD EVERYTHING RIGHT. SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT I MADE THE RIGHT, THE MOTION WAS MADE ON WITH WHAT I HAVE RIGHT HERE. MM-HMM . THE MOTION WAS I MAKE THE CHANGES THAT WERE REFLECTED IN OUR PACKET BASIC ON THIS SINGLE SHEET. RIGHT. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION JUST AS THAT THEY PULLED OUT INSTEAD OF THESE 10 OR 12 PAGES, THEY JUST PULLED OUT THE RED AND BLUE. CORRECT. THAT WAS IN HERE. BUT YOU CAN YOU SO THAT, SO THAT COUNSEL COULD FOCUS ON THE, ON WHAT WAS CHANGED FROM THE LAST TIME THAT WE SAW IT. CORRECT. THAT'S HOW I'M TAKING IT. IS THAT RIGHT MR. PETTY? BASICALLY THIS WAS LIKE THE HIGHLIGHT, THE SUMMARY OF WHAT'S BEEN CHANGED. THAT IS, THAT'S CORRECT. UM, AS I STATED IN THE PRESENTATION, THE REASON YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PAGES IS BECAUSE IT WAS LISTED IN THE C ONE AND C TWO AS ACCESSORY. BUT BECAUSE WE'VE CLEARLY DEFINED IT AS ACCESSORY AND THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND THE DEFINITION, IT MAY BE REDUNDANT BECAUSE IT ALREADY SAYS ACCESSORY USES ARE ALLOWED. SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION ON THIS DOUBLE-SIDED PAPER. AND THOSE WOULD BE THE CLEAN TEXT THAT WOULD BE ADOPTED. THE QUESTION WAS THAT IN ANY OTHER ACCESSORY USE FOR ZONING AND ANY OTHER ACCESSORY USE FOR ZONING, IS THAT A SPECIAL USE? ARE ALL OTHER ACCESSORY USES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? I KNOW. NO. NO. OKAY. SO ACCESSORY USE IS OR INCIDENTAL TO THE PRIMARY USE. SPECIAL USES PERMITS ARE TOTALLY SEPARATE. OKAY. NO, I, I KNOW THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I THINK WHAT SOMEBODY, THE QUESTION WAS, AND THEY CAN ASK IT THEMSELVES. I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M SAYING, BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS LIKE IN OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, DON'T THEY NORMALLY HAVE TO FILL OUT, UH, LIKE SOME KIND OF APPLICATION SPECIAL [01:20:01] USE PERMIT, TAKE A VOTE? NO. IS THAT A NO? OKAY. NO. SO IT WAS, YEAH, IT WAS MY QUESTION I WAS REFERRING TO WHEN WE DISCUSSED ACCESSORY USES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, THEY HAD TO FILL OUT A SPECIAL USE APPLICATION COME BEFORE COUNCIL. SO WHEN IT CHANGED TO AN ACCESSORY USE, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORK SESSION, UNLESS I MISSED THAT. BUT I SEE WHERE THAT'S PART OF THE CHANGES. IF IT'S AN ACCESSORY USE, IT PREVENTS THEM FROM HAVING TO COME APPLY IF IT ALREADY EXISTS. BUT MY QUESTION WAS, IF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO THAT ACCESSORY USES CAN BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. CORRECT. AND, AND OKAY. IF YOU TALK ABOUT RESIDENT, THINK OF LIKE A SHED OR, YOU KNOW, A HOME OCCUPATION, YOU IF YOU'RE OR AN AUXILIARY DWELLING UNIT, IF THAT'S AN ACCESSORY USE, I'M THAT. UM, BUT UH, YEAH. SO IF SOMEBODY WHO OWNED A RESTAURANT NOW WANTED TO DO THIS, WHO DOESN'T DO IT ALREADY, IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO COME IN AS THEY NORMALLY WOULD FOR A ZONING PERMIT AND IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE. THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. I I, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE INITIAL CONFUSION ON THIS. LIKE I SAID, THAT'S WHY I WAS UP HERE SHUFFLING PAPERS AROUND, BECAUSE THE ONE MOTION COVERS THIS WITH ALL OF THIS AND THE OTHER MOTION, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE COUNSEL AS COUNCILMAN WOOD HAD READ THIS MOTION IS FOR ALL OF THIS. SO YEAH, SO AGAIN, I, I UNDER DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION 'CAUSE IT TOOK ME A MINUTE TO SORT IT OUT AS WELL. SO, SO I'M ASSUMING THE, THE MOTION THAT IS CURRENTLY BEFORE THIS COUNCIL IS TO ACCEPT, UM, THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WITH, WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT WERE SHARED TONIGHT IN THE PRESENTATION. MM-HMM . OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OKAY. SO WE CAN TAKE A ROLL CALL. WELL, I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I'M SORRY. UH, REALLY IT'S JUST A COMMENT. I MEAN, I, I, I WILL LET THE 50% GO, BUT I DO FEEL THAT, UM, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN JUDGING SOMETHING BY ITS FACE VERSUS ITS USE. SO TO ME, YOU COULD, UM, MAYBE AT THE USE OF THE OUTDOOR DINING IS STILL SUBORDINATE, STILL AN ACCESSORY USE, BUT IT COULD BE BIGGER THAN THE INITIAL SPACE. SO THAT, BUT IF WE HAVE A MECHANISM FOR, IF SOMEBODY HAD, IF WE STILL HAVE A MECHANISM WHERE WE CAN, UM, HAVE AN EXCEPTION, IF SOMEBODY COMES TO US AND SAYS, I'VE GOT 60, I'VE GOT A SPACE THAT'S 60% BIGGER THAN MY INTERIOR RESTAURANT, UM, THEN I CAN LIVE WITH IT. BUT, UM, ANYWAY, I JUST LIKE TO NOT, UH, HAMPER BUSINESSES FOR THEIR MODELS. OKAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DO, RIGHT? WE CAN, THEY CAN ALWAYS, UH, ASK FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THAT 50%. IF THAT'S A NO, THEN IF THAT'S A NO, THEN I'M SURE COUNCIL, INDEED DOKO PAINS MADE HER LACK THE SUPPORT CLEAR . SO IS THE, IS THERE ANY I WOULD NOT BE IN A POSITION TO SAY YES TO THAT. WHAT I WILL REVERT BACK TO IS, UM, A LOT OF DEFINITIONS ALREADY IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. UM, PRINCIPAL PERMITTED USE, UH, IT'S DISTINGUISHED FROM AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN C ONE EXCEPT FOR OTHERWISE SPECIFICALLY APPROVED IN TOWN CODE PERMIT PERMITTED USES SHALL BE CONDUCTED WHOLLY WITHIN A COMPLETELY ENCLOSED BUILDING, PERMITTED USES. SO IN THIS CASE, THE PERMITTED USE IS RESTAURANT AND THE PERFORMANCE STANDARD IS CONDUCTED WHOLLY WITHIN A COMPLETELY ENCLOSED BUILDING. C TWO EXPANDS ON THAT SLIGHTLY BY SAYING PERMITTED USE USES SHALL BE CONDUCTED WHOLLY WITHIN A COMPLETELY ENCLOSED BUILDING OR WITHIN AN AREA ENCLOSED ON ALL SIDES BY SOLID, SOLID MASONRY WALL, A UNIFORMLY PAINTED SOLID BOARD FENCE OR DENSE EVERGREEN HEDGE AT LEAST SIX FEET HIGH. SO THAT'S YOUR PRINCIPLE PERMITTED USE TO EXPAND THAT, TO HAVE A USE OUTSIDE OF COMPLETELY ENCLOSED WOULD BE ACCESSORY TO THAT TO ALLOW THE DINING PORTION OF THE USE TO OCCUR OUTSIDE, IN MY VIEW, UH, AS HAS ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED, THE ACCESSORY USE IS SUBORDINATE AND THEREFORE CAN'T [01:25:01] EXCEED THE PRI PRINCIPLE USE OR THE PRIMARY USE. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXCEPTION WOULD BE. IT, IT'S AN ACCESSORY USE. UM, TO ME, YOU'D HAVE TO CREATE A NEW CLASS OF USE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT'S BEING RAISED. YOU'D HAVE TO CREATE A NEW CLASS, A NEW USE. I SAY ASK FOR FOR FORGIVENESS, NOT PERMISSION AT THIS POINT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO TALK THROUGH SOME SCENARIOS THAT ALREADY EXIST IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, WHERE THEIR OUTDOOR DINING AREAS ARE. I HAVEN'T MEASURED THEM, BUT BY APPEARANCE 50% OR LARGER. AND IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE IT COULD HINDER NEW BUSINESS. I WAS JUST TALKING TO THE MAYOR ABOUT, THERE'S A RESTAURANT IN GAINESVILLE, IT'S A SEAFOOD RESTAURANT. HISTORICALLY THEY'RE VERY SMALL. THE KITCHEN AND MAYBE SOME ELDERLY OR BAR DINING IS ALL THAT YOU HAVE INSIDE. AND THE REST IS PICNIC TABLES WITH COVERED OUTSIDE. SO I MEAN, EVEN STARBUCKS ON REMOUNT ROAD, I THINK THEY'RE OUTDOOR AREAS, AT LEAST 50% OF THAT SPACE. 'CAUSE IT'S A PRETTY SMALL SPACE. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER EITHER. COUNCILMAN DO WANNA GO PAINE? UM, JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE 50% IS THE SEATING, SO NOT THE AREA PER SE. SO THE SEATING, SO YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE 50% OF THE SEATING OF THE INDOOR RESTAURANT. YOU CAN'T INCREASE THAT. SO A REST RESTAURANT COULD HAVE 50 SEATS INDOOR AND THEY COULD ONLY HAVE 25 OUTDOOR, NOT IN THE AREA OF 300 SQUARE FEET. AND THE OUTDOOR CAN'T BE MORE THAN 150. WE JUST APPROVED THE PARKING LOT FOR SPLUNKERS TO BE EXPANDED WHERE THEY BROUGHT FORTH THEIR OUTDOOR DINING. I HAVEN'T COUNTED THE SEATS, BUT I'D BE WILLING TO WAGER THAT IT'S 50% OR MORE OUTDOOR NOW. SO SEATING HAS TO BE NUMBER OF SEATS? YES. THAT'S WHAT I'M REFERRING TO. UM, SO I, I I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THEM. AND I WILL JUST ADD, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS DIDN'T SHOW UP OR GIVE FEEDBACK. 'CAUSE I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM A SINGLE RESTAURANT REGARDING THIS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALL OKAY WITH IT. AND DON'T MIND, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT OPENS THE OPTIONS FOR NEW ONES, BUT I HEARD FROM YEAH, IT SAYS, BECAUSE IT SAYS THE 50% OF THE RESTAURANT'S INDOOR DINING FLOOR AREA IS THE LANGUAGE, NOT THE NOT SEATS. YEAH. YEAH. BUT I DON'T WANNA, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, I MEAN, WELL, I MEAN, I GET, I GET THE PURPOSE. I GET THE PURPOSE THAT YOU DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE TINY SPACE AND THAT ALL IT HAS INSIDE IS THE KITCHEN BASICALLY, AND A COUPLE BAR SEATS. AND THEN YOU GOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, 75 SEATS OUTSIDE. I TOTALLY GET THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY AN ACCESSORY USE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S THE THING, IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING. UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THE, I'M JUST SAYING AS ONCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I WAS SITTING HERE ENVISIONING THERE ARE SOME REST, LIKE S SPANKERS, I'M, I'M JUST GOING TO S SPANKERS IS ONE OF 'EM. THEY HAVE QUITE A FEW PICNIC TABLE TYPE SEATING THINGS OUTSIDE THAT, THAT SEATS SIX. YEAH, SIX TO EIGHT. AND, UM, UM, BUT THAT, YEAH, SO, AND FABRICE HAS GOT A PRETTY BIG SPACE OUTSIDE, BUT THEY HAVE A PRETTY BIG SPACE INSIDE TOO. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UM, BUT ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE AMBER SAID, I GUESS IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IN LIFE, IF NOBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT IT, THEN YOU KNOW, THEN YEAH. YEAH. I THINK MADAM MAYOR, I THINK, UH, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAD TO CORRECT HIM. MY, MY PLANNING COMMISSION HEADS COMING ON RIGHT NOW. THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO THIS IS WE'LL HAVE TO CREATE A DIFFERENT USE FOR THAT. AND THAT WOULD BE IF, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY USE IS GONNA BE LIKE AN OUTDOOR EVENT ARENA OR SOMETHING. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S NEAR THE HEARING OR SAFE FOR RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY MOMENT FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING PARTICULARLY. SO, YEAH, AND I WOULD AGREE. I DON'T WANNA HOLD OFF, I'M SORRY, I DON'T WANNA, UM, YEAH, YOU'RE NOT HOLD UP RESIDENCE RESTAURANTS NOW. I'M SORRY. NO, GO AHEAD, HONEY. YEAH, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A BOILER PLATE TO, TO FIT ALL. I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA ALWAYS GONNA HAVE EXCEPTIONS AND, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET SOMETHING IN PLACE. MADAM MAYOR. YES. I WAS SIMPLY GONNA ADD THAT, UM, JUST TO POINT [01:30:01] OUT WHAT INITIATED THIS PROCESS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY OUTDOOR DINING IS NOT ALLOWED. I KNOW. SO I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THIS, AND THERE ARE RESTAURANTS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING OUTDOOR DINING. AND ONCE THEY STARTED ASKING AND THEY FOUND OUT THAT IT REALLY WASN'T AN ALLOWABLE USE, THAT'S REALLY WHAT BROUGHT ALL OF THIS BEFORE US, IS TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR, I DON'T WANNA HINDER THOSE BUSINESSES OR NEW BUSINESSES COMING HERE FROM HAVING OUTDOOR DINING. I MENTIONED IT AT THE WORK SESSION. I WILL GO EAT AT A RESTAURANT THAT'S LOWER QUALITY THAN ONE THAT I LIKE MORE IF IT HAS OUTDOOR DINING AND IT'S A NICE SEASON. UM, IT'S JUST ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT IF WE DON'T, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND AND ASK THESE QUESTIONS, IT'S WHAT ARE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF ADDING A GOVERNING LAYER? AND SO I DON'T MEAN TO, UM, BE A THORN IN THE STAFF SIDE BY ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, BUT IT JUST MAKES ME THINK OF ALL THE SMALL BUSINESSES WHO HAVE HAD OUTDOOR DINING FOR LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ALIVE. AND I HOPE THAT THE REPERCUSSIONS OF THIS AREN'T COSTING THEM MONEY OR, UM, AFFECTING THEIR BUSINESS GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WE DID SOMETHING TO TRY TO BRING IT IN COMPLIANCE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I DON'T WANT TO BURDEN ALREADY EXISTING USES. SO THAT'S ALL. I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DEPA? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCILMAN SEA LOCK? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. ALRIGHT. A MOTION PASS THE SCREEN ON THE OUTDOOR. OUTDOOR DONE. ALRIGHT, NEXT STEP ARE PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS? UM, IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? PUBLIC? PUBLIC COMMENTS PORTION? [11. REPORTS] OKAY. NEXT UP ARE REPORTS. UM, AND, UM, I'M GONNA START ON, I'M GONNA ACTUALLY MIX IT UP. COUNCILWOMAN DEED MINUTE GO PAY. I'M START WITH YOU. I'M GONNA GO BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH. OKAY. UM, THE, IN THE PAST MONTH OR SO, I ATTENDED THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR CSM AESTHETICS WHO, UM, MOVED AROUND TOWN. UM, AND THEY OFFERED SOME VERY, UH, I WOULD SAY HOLLYWOOD BEVERLY HILLS TYPE SPA SERVICES. UM, IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED, BOTOX AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM, THINGS I MIGHT NEED . UM, HERITAGE SOCIETY ALSO HAD A RIBBON CUTTING FOR MOVING. UM, AND, UH, AGAIN, THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN DOING SOME PHENOMENAL THINGS. THEY HAVE A LITTLE PLACE ON MAIN STREET. THEY'RE DOING GHOST TOURS AND, UM, THEY, THEY JUST ARE CONSTANTLY HAVING EVENTS NOW THAT ARE REALLY EXCITING TO SEE. UM, I ATTENDED A LIGHTING MATTERS, UM, WITH THE TOWN MANAGER AND ALSO LIZZIE LEWIS, I BELIEVE WAS THERE, UM, WHICH WAS ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION. AND THE NIGHT SKY, WHEN YOU GO OUT AT NIGHT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE STARS. AND IF YOU, IF YOU AREN'T, THEN WE'RE PUTTING TOO MUCH ARTIFICIAL LIGHT INTO THE SKY. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT, IT DOES IMPACT MORE THAN JUST OUR PLEASURE OF SEEING STARS. IT IMPACTS ANIMALS AND INSECTS AND ALL KINDS OF NATURAL THINGS THAT WE MIGHT NEED IN OUR ENVIRONMENT. SO IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING TO LEARN ABOUT AND SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE TO REPLACE LIGHTS. UM, AND I TOOK A WALK AROUND AD TECHS. UM, THEY'VE BEEN SCHEDULING SOME, UH, WALKS FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO GO OUT AND SEE THE PROPERTY, PARTICULARLY THE PROPERTY THAT, UH, WAS AVAILABLE FOR SALE BY THE EDA. AND, UM, UH, I ALWAYS LIKE WALKING OUT THERE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. YOU'D NEVER KNOW ANYTHING TERRIBLE HAPPENED OUT THERE. UM, AND ALL OF ALSO HAD WAS GOOD HAPPENED OUT THERE TOO, WITH JOBS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. CUTBACK THAT, UH, HELPED ARRANGE SOME OF THAT. UM, AND I ATTENDED THE NORTHERN SHENDO VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION. OF COURSE, THEY, THEY MEET WITH GROUPS THROUGHOUT THE REGION. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE DOING, WHICH I WILL TALK MORE WITH THE TOWN MANAGER ABOUT, IS IT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE TRYING TO LOOK INTO, UH, REGIONAL WATER POSSIBILITIES. THEY'RE DOING A STUDY ON WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM, 'CAUSE WATER'S STILL A BIG ISSUE HERE, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS RAINED NICELY IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO. BUT, SO I WAS, UH, A LITTLE BUSY AND THAT WAS WHAT I DID. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT, YOU WOULD PICK ME NEXT. OH, COME ON. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF I PICK YOUR FIRST. PICK YOUR AS. I HAVE TO HEAR IT. . UH, SO, UM, MAYOR, I, I, UH, [01:35:02] I ATTENDED THE CSM AESTHETICS, UH, GRAND OPENING. YES, YOU DID. AND I DID. AND, AND THEY, THEY WERE GIVEN AWAY A RAFFLE AND THERE WERE FIVE TICKETS. AND, AND I, I PUT 'EM IN EACH ONE AND I WAS ONE OF TWO MEN THERE. YOU WERE. DID YOU WIN? I DID NOT . I WAS GONNA BE REALLY, I DID NOT WIN , BUT I WAS GOING TO GIVE MINE AWAY. HILLARY WAS ALSO THERE WITH US. YES. I DID WIN. THERE WAS A BIG, THERE WAS A BIG TOWN PRESENCE THAT DAY. HILLARY WON. YOU DID WIN SOMETHING. OH, OKAY. YEAH. UM, AND SO, UM, BUT THEN I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, HOW CAN I IMPROVE ON THIS? RIGHT. . SO, SO ANY, ANYWAY, I ALSO ATTENDED THE, UH, UH, BOOTS IN BOURBON, UH, UH, FUNDRAISER FOR THE WARREN COUNTY EDUCATIONAL ENDOWMENT. AND, UM, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO RIDE THE BULL, BUT I DID NOT RIDE THE BALL. UM, UH, SO, UM, OTHER, OTHER THAN THAT, MAYOR, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT THIS EXCEPT, UH, I DID GET A FEW PHONE CALLS ABOUT SOME CUSTOMER, UH, ON SOME RESIDENT COMPLAINTS. UM, AND, UH, I DID GO OUT TO SEE THOSE AND I DID, UH, REFER THEM BACK TO OUR TOWN MANAGER, AND I WILL, I'M SURE HE WILL LOOK INTO 'EM. THAT'S IT. COUNCILMAN WOOD. SURE. I'LL BE BRIEF. UM, NINE 11, UH, WIFE AND I HAD THE HONOR OF ATTENDING THE 9 11 20 FIFTH ANNIVERSARY. UM, AT THE GAZEBO. UH, I WANT TO MAKE A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO, UH, FORMER COUNCILMAN SKIP ROGERS, WHO ALWAYS PUTS US ON EVERY YEAR. AND UNU, UNFORTUNATELY HE WAS UNABLE TO DO IT THIS YEAR TOO. AND HE HAD JUST HAD A MAJOR SURGERY. AND I WANT TO THANK SUE LAWRENCE AND MANY OF THE OTHER UPTOWN BUSINESS PEOPLE, UM, WHO CAME TOGETHER AND FORMULATED THIS AND, AND HAD SPEAKERS AND REMEMBRANCE AND RINGING OF THE BELL. AND IT WAS JUST HEARTWARMING. AND I KNOW MOST OF COUNCIL WAS HERE AND STAFF, BUT IT WAS HEARTWARMING TO SEE THE COMMUNITY COME TOGETHER IN, IN, INSTEAD OF LETTING SOMETHING FALL BY THE WAYSIDE DUE TO AN ILLNESS, OTHER PEOPLE STEPPED UP. AND IT REALLY WAS, UM, AN EMOTIONAL, UH, WONDERFUL EVENT. UM, ATTENDED A SALVATION ARMY BOARD MEETING, UH, THE BOOTS IN BOURBON AT, UH, COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT, UH, MENTIONED. UH, THE PROCEEDS OF THAT IS GOING TO THE WARREN COUNTY EDUCATIONAL ENVIRONMENT. UH, THE OTHER NIGHT, CARS CHANGING LIVES. HAD A MYSTERY DINNER, A MURDER MYSTERY DINNER. AND, UH, WE FOLLOWED UP BY ATTENDING THE ST. LUKE'S FUNDRAISER ON SATURDAY NIGHT. HEARD SOME INTERESTING STATISTICS FROM MICHELLE SILLER WHO WORKS FOR THE, UH, WARREN COUNTY, UH, SOCIAL SERVICES. UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY, APPARENTLY THAT WILL BE COMING OFF OF MEDICAID. OKAY. I ALWAYS GET 'EM MIXED UP. MEDICAID AND SNAP AND, AND SHE BROUGHT THAT UP. AND OF COURSE, THE FREE CLINIC, UH, ST. LUKE'S DOES A TREMENDOUS JOB ALREADY, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY BETTER HANG ON TO THEIR, UM, OPERATING TABLE 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE GETTING A LOT MORE PATIENTS PROBABLY ON JANUARY ONE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN NAME? UH, MADAM MAYOR. I ACTUALLY HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT. I DIDN'T REALLY, I DIDN'T ATTEND ANY EVENTS THIS PAST MONTH. I MEAN, I'M, I'LL JUST SAY I'M GONNA BE GOING TO THE VML CONFERENCE NEXT MONTH. UH, OF COURSE THAT'S ONE OF THE TWO EVENTS EVERY YEAR THAT GATHER UP ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THERE ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH. UH, ONE BEING IN JANUARY AT THE, UH, CAPITAL IN RICHMOND. AND THIS YEAR IS GONNA BE IN NORFOLK. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER'S GONNA BE GOING WITH ME. BUT, UM, I LIKE [01:40:01] GOING JUST BECAUSE IT, IT, IT'S A GOOD WAY OF SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE COMMONWEALTH WITH HOW OTHER JU HOW JURISDICTIONS ARE DEALING WITH, UH, GENERAL TOPICS, UH, SUCH AS TRANSPORTATION, UH, DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH PICK A TOPIC AND ROLL WITH IT THERE. SO, UH, BUT I'LL REPORT WHAT I, UH, LEARN THERE NEXT MONTH. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COUNCILMAN OCK, JUST A COUPLE THINGS I WANNA REMIND THE PEOPLE ABOUT THE, THE FALL LEAVES COMING UP, UH, JUST TO KIND OF WATCH OUT FOR OUR, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING INTO THAT TOWN. AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY POLICE OFFICERS UP IN THE, IN THE INTERSECTION DIRECTING TRAFFIC. SO, YOU KNOW, PLEASE WATCH OUT FOR THEM WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE INTERSECTIONS. UM, I HAD A CALL TODAY. UH, I TOOK, WELL, I TOOK OVER, UH, CHAIRMAN OF THE POLICE FOUNDATION AGAIN. UH, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER MAVERICK, OUR POLICE DOG. WE HAD TO RETIRE BECAUSE OF THE, THE WAY THE LAW CHANGED. UM, MAVERICK HAD, UH, SURGERY TWO WEEKS AGO. CHIEF HAD SURGERY TWO WEEKS AGO, AND HE HAD A KIDNEY TAKEN OUT AND SOMETHING ELSE FOR CANCER. UH, BUT THE, I I WANNA SAY THAT THE POLICE FOUNDATION AND THE TURN LORD OF POLICE STEPPED UP AND PAID FOR HIS SURGERY. JUST, OH, YEAH. AND, AND I'LL SAY IT BECAUSE AFTER BEING A COP, UH, THE, THE THIN BLUE LINE RUNS DEEP WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH THE DOG ARE, OR AN OFFICER. UH, AND YOU ALL SAW THE RE UM, THE LETTER ABOUT SERGEANT INGERMAN AND I THINK IT WAS, WAS IT OFFICER GIBSON? MM-HMM. WHICH OFFICER WAS IT? TWO OFFICERS CLINGMAN. I THINK WE, I THINK WE PLANNED TO BRING THEM IN. OKAY. WELL, SERGEANT KLEEMAN, THEN ANOTHER OFFICER. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT THE LETTER SAYS, THEY DID A GOOD JOB. IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE, YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I THINK THEY, THEY THOUGHT IT OUT PRETTY WELL AND GOT IT FIXED FOR US OR FOR THE INDIVIDUAL. SO, AND A GREAT OUTCOME CHIEF, IF YOU WOULD THANK 'EM FOR THE GREAT OUTCOME ON IT. WILL DO. HOPE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT HERE PUBLICLY TOO. YEAH. VICE MAYOR VAAL, I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF. UM, ON FRIDAY, AUGUST 28TH, I ATTENDED THE RIBBON CUTTING OF THE POCKET MUSEUM FOR THE WARREN HERITAGE SOCIETY ON MAIN STREET. I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, TOWN STAFF, TO GO BY AND CHECK IT OUT, TAKE A TOUR. UM, SUCH A UNIQUE SPACE, BUT ALSO SUCH A GREAT IDEA TO REALLY CAPTURE THE TOURISTS AND THE WALKING PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ON MAIN STREET TO SEND THEM DOWN TO CHESTER STREET. THE WARREN HERITAGE SOCIETY HAS ALWAYS BEEN DEAR TO MY HEART AS, UH, REBECCA POE WAS MY GREAT AUNT WHO CONTRIBUTED A LOT OF SUCCESS AND ARTIFACTS TO THEIR ARCHIVES. UM, AND ACTUALLY IN ATTENDING THAT RIBBON CUTTING, WE FOUND OUT THAT THAT IS THE LANDLORD'S MOST POPULAR AND REQUESTED SPACE THAT THEY OWN, IS TO RENT THAT SPACE. UM, THE MAYOR, MYSELF AND A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE GOT SHUT IN FOR THE INTERVIEW AND WE COULDN'T TURN AROUND OR GO OUT. SO WE GOT TO READ EVERYTHING WHILE WE WERE STANDING IN THERE. AND IT WAS PRETTY NEAT. UM, SUCH A COOL THING. THEN, UM, ON, UH, SEPTEMBER 9TH, I BELIEVE IT WAS, I GOT TO, I WAS RANDOMLY SELECTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE TOWN'S AUDIT, UM, PROCESS. AND I WILL JUST SAY IT'S ALWAYS SO REASSURING. I THINK MR. WILSON'S GONE BY NOW OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, BUT THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYALS FINANCE DEPARTMENT IS IN SUCH TIP TOP SHAPE. IT MAKES OUR JOB HERE ON COUNCIL SO MUCH EASIER HAVING PEOPLE LIKE HIM AND HIS STAFF IN THE TOWN HALL, UM, AND HEARING OUTSIDE FIRMS THAT DO THIS FOR LOCALITIES AND ORGANIZATIONS AND CORPORATIONS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, PRAISE THE WORK THAT THE TOWN HAS DURING OUR AUDIT PROCESS IS VERY REASSURING. UM, AND THEN I ALSO ATTENDED THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF NINE 11 ON MAIN STREET. IT'S ALWAYS SUCH A SOMBER DAY. UM, OBVIOUSLY I WAS VERY YOUNG WHEN NINE 11 HAPPENED, BUT IT WAS THE CATALYST TO MY BROTHER ENLISTING IN THE MILITARY WHERE HE JUST RETIRED AFTER A 20 COUPLE YEAR STINT. PRIMARILY ACTIVE COMBAT, SPECIAL FORCES. UM, AND IT WAS PROMPTED AND TRIGGERED BY WATCHING NINE 11 UNFOLD AS CHILDREN IN OUR LIVING ROOM. UM, SO I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO SKIP ROGERS AND HIS WIFE FOR MAKING SURE THAT [01:45:01] THEY CARRIED THAT THROUGH. BUT DEFINITELY TO SUE LAWRENCE WHO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND SPOKE. UM, I SAT IN THE AUDIENCE TRYING TO BE QUIET WHILE I CRIED AS SHE READ SOME OF THE STATEMENTS AND, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE THAT DAY AND ALL THE UNCERTAINTY THAT EVERY AMERICAN FELT ACROSS THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY. AND THEN JUST REALLY REFLECTING AND TEACHING MY KIDS ABOUT NINE 11 ON WHAT AMERICA WAS ON NINE 12. UM, THAT WAS A TIME IN OUR COUNTRY, WHICH FELT VERY SPECIAL. UM, POLITICS DIDN'T MATTER. RACE, RELIGION, OPINIONS. UH, WE WERE ALL JUST AMERICANS AND WE WERE PROUD TO BE AMERICANS AND WE SUPPORTED OUR NEIGHBORS. AND, UM, I'M REALLY HOPING THAT THIS COUNTRY CAN GET BACK TO THAT PLACE SOMEDAY. UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. UM, SO A LOT OF THINGS, I'M GONNA SAY WERE SHARED BY OTHERS, SO I WON'T GO INTO IT, BUT IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT SOME OF THE SAME WORDS I USED WERE THE SAME WORDS YOU USED BECAUSE AUGUST 28TH I ATTENDED THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE WARREN HERITAGE POCKET MUSEUM, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY CALLED IT. UM, AND IT'S LOCATED RIGHT BESIDE THE WEAVER BUILDING DOWNTOWN. UM, AND I JUST WISH I COULD DESCRIBE FOR YOU THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS LITTLE SPACE THAT ACTUALLY USED TO BE A NEWSSTAND NEWS NEWAND. THAT'S WHAT I FOUND REALLY COOL, WAS THAT IT WAS A NEWSSTAND. MM-HMM . UM, UH, AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I'VE WALKED PAST THAT SPOT, HUNDRED HUNDREDS, PROBABLY THOUSANDS OF TIME IN MY LIFE. AND I NEVER KNEW THAT IT WAS EVEN THERE UNTIL THEY OPENED IT UP AND WE GOT TO GO INSIDE. SO I HOPE YOU'LL GO DOWN AND CHECK IT OUT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET TICKETS TO THE GHOST TOURS THAT ARE HOSTED BY THE HERITAGE SOCIETY. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY WILL BE SELLING THE TICKETS. THEY, THAT, THAT WILL BE LIKE THE GATHERING SPOT FOR THE GHOST TOURS IS AT THAT SPOT. SEPTEMBER 11TH, I ALSO ATTENDED, UM, THE NINE 11 MEMORIAL SERVICE. I BELIEVE EVERYBODY UP HERE HAS ALREADY DONE A WONDERFUL JOB DESCRIBING THAT. UM, SEPTEMBER 18TH, I ALSO ATTENDED THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR CSM AESTHETICS, UM, AS WELL AS THE UNVEILING. IT'S A NEW SPACE FOR, UM, BLUE RIDGE STRENGTH AND WELLNESS. UM, AND THIS IS LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF SIXTH AND COMMERCE AVENUE ACROSS FROM CITY NATIONAL. AND OTHER PEOPLE SAID THEY PROVIDE LOTS OF DIFFERENT SERVICES. IT SEEMED TO BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY THE LA LARGE CROWD THAT WAS ATTENDING THAT DAY. I ALSO DID NOT WIN ANY SERVICES THAT I PROBABLY COULD HAVE USED TOO, . UM, BUT I DIGRESS. UM, TWICE THIS MONTH I ATTENDED MEETINGS REGARDING STOP . I DIDN'T SAY A WORD . IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. TWICE THIS MONTH I ATTENDED MEETINGS REGARDING THE SHENDO RAIL TRAIL PROJECT. ONE MEETING INCLUDED, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM SENATOR KANE'S OFFICE AND THE OTHER, UM, ACTUALLY INCLUDED ADAM BERGER, UM, THE GOVERNOR'S HUSBAND, UM, WHO'S A, A CYCLIST ENTHUSIAST. SO, UM, WHILE IT HAS BEEN SIX YEARS SINCE FRONT ROYAL AGREED TO SUPPORT THE TRANSITION OF THE RAILROAD TO A BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAIL, UM, THAT CAN NOT ONLY BE USED BY OUR CITIZENS, BUT WOULD HOPEFULLY BRING VISITORS FROM ALL OVER, UH, TO SUPPORT OUR TOURISM INDUSTRY. SO YES, IT'S BEEN SIX YEARS, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE STILL WORKING ON IT. THEY'RE STILL HOPEFUL THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. UM, SO STAY TUNED FOR UPDATES. 'CAUSE THE STATES, UM, AS THEY'RE CONTINUING TO EXPLORE AND STUDY THE BEST USE FOR THE ABANDONED RAILROAD, UM, THERE'S STILL LOTS GOING ON WITH THAT. UM, SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I'VE ATTENDED THIS THIS PAST MONTH OR THINGS LIKE, UM, THE EARLY ACT CLUB AND THE YOUNG LIFE GOLF TOURNAMENT AND RETIRED TEACHERS LUNCHEON. WE ARE REACHING OUT NOW. UM, PRESENTED ALL THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THEY OFFERED THIS PAST SUMMER, WHAT A SUCCESS THAT IS. UM, ALSO ATTENDED LOTS OF VOLLEYBALL MATCHES, SOCCER GAMES AND T-BALL 'CAUSE I GOT A LOT OF GREAT NIECES AND NEPHEWS INVOLVED IN THAT. BUT YESTERDAY, MR. PETTY AND MS. LEWIS, UM, OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM DIRECTOR, ALONG WITH ELLIOT BACHELOR FROM MELTING POT AND BOBBY FORD REPRESENTING THE FUTURE FARMERS OF AMERICA FOR SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL. WE HAD THE PLEASURE OF PARTICIPATING IN AN INTERVIEW BY THE BBC, UH, THE BRITISH BROADCASTING CORPORATION, FOCUSING ON THE RURAL VISIT THAT FRONT ROW HAD ON APRIL 30TH. UH, THE INTERVIEW IS GONNA BE THE INTERVIEWS 'CAUSE ONE WAS WITH ME. ONE WAS, UH, THE OTHER GROUP. UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE PART OF A DOCUMENTARY THAT THE BBC IS, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER ABOUT THE KING'S US VISIT. UM, AND IT GAVE US ALL REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO RELIVE SOME OF THE SPECIAL MOMENTS OF THE DAY. UM, EVEN THOUGH [01:50:01] IT HAS BEEN MONTHS, EACH OF US WERE LIKE TRYING TO RELIVE IT AND, AND JUST THE SURREALNESS OF IT. UM, SO, AND I REALLY STILL CONTINUE TO FEEL REALLY PROUD OF OUR LITTLE TOWN AND WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO PULL OFF THAT DAY. AND DEFINITELY CREATING MEMORIES THAT GENERATIONS TO COME, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT. AND SO WHEN THAT DOCUMENTARY IS FINISHED, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY TO SHARE IT WITH ALL. LASTLY, I, UM, I LIKE TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE PROCLAMATION THAT WAS ISSUED REGARDING THE DOLLARS FOR DOLLY DAY. UM, AND THAT'S A CAMPAIGN THAT BEGAN THIS PAST FRIDAY ON SEPTEMBER 25TH, 9 2 5. AND IT RUNS UNTIL GIVING TUESDAY DECEMBER 1ST DOLLARS FOR DOLLY.COM IS THE WEBSITE THAT WILL HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED ABOUT THE NONPROFITS AND THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE REQUESTED BEING CONSIDERED BY OUR CITIZENS AS RECIPIENTS OF THE COMMUNITIES GENEROSITY. UM, I WANNA MENTION THAT AGAIN. I THINK I, I THINK AS OF FRIDAY THERE WERE 11 OR 12 NONPROFITS THAT HAD ALREADY, UM, FILLED OUT THE INFORMATION TO BE CONSIDERED AND YOU LITERALLY CAN JUST GO TO THE WEBSITE AND IT HAS EVERY ORGANIZATION, UH, IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED A RECIPIENT OF THE CITIZEN'S GENEROSITY. AND THERE'S MATCHING AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS. SO I'M GONNA READ THE, UM, PROCLAMATION NOW ALSO WHILE I'M IN PINK TODAY. JUST WANNA SAY, I KNOW FALLS HERE AND PINK IS AN ALL COLOR, BUT IT'S HONOR A DOLLY, UM, PROCLAMATION DOLL FOR DOLLY DAY, SEPTEMBER 25TH, 2026. WHEREAS DOLLY PARTON HAS TOUCHED LIVES AROUND THE WORLD, NOT ONLY THROUGH HER LEGENDARY MUSIC AND ARTISTRY, BUT THROUGH HER EXTRAORDINARY GENEROSITY, COMPASSIONATE SPIRIT AND LIFELONG COMMITMENT TO HELPING OTHERS. AND WHEREAS DOLLY HAS USED HER SUCCESS TO LIFT, STRENGTHEN COMMUNITIES, SUPPORT IMPORTANT CAUSES, AND CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS, DEMONSTRATING THAT TRUE SUCCESS IS MOST MEANINGFUL WHEN SHARED. AND WHEREAS IN 1995, DOLLY FOUNDED DOLLY PARTON'S IMAGINATION LIBRARY AND HONOR HER FATHER WHO COULD NOT READ OR WRITE. WHAT BEGAN AS A LOCAL EFFORT HAS GROWN INTO AN INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM THAT HAS GIFTED MORE THAN 300 MILLION FREE BOOKS TO CHILDREN. AND WHEREAS DOLLY'S GENEROSITY EXTENDS FAR BEYOND LITERACY, INCLUDING SUPPORT FOR EDUCATION, MEDICAL RESEARCH, DISASTER RELIEF, RURAL COMMUNITIES, AND COUNTLESS OTHER CAUSES, INSPIRING PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD TO GIVE GENEROUSLY AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AND WHEREAS NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, CHARITABLE PROGRAMS, COMMUNITY FOUNDATIONS AND VOLUNTEERS THROUGHOUT FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY CARRY THAT SAME SPIRIT OF COMPASSION BY PROVIDING ESSENTIAL SERVICES, CARE, ENCOURAGEMENT, AND HOPE TO THOSE IN NEED. AND WHEREAS SEPTEMBER 25TH, 9 2 5 PROVIDING A FITTING OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE DOLLY PARTON'S ICONIC NINE TO FIVE WHILE HONORING HER REMARKABLE LEGACY OF GENEROSITY AND SERVICE. AND WHEREAS DOLLARS FOR DOLLY DAY ENCOURAGES RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO GIVE FROM THE HEART TO A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, FOUNDATION, OR CHARITABLE CALLS OF THEIR CHOICE BEGINNING SEPTEMBER 25TH, CONTINUING THROUGH GIVING TUESDAY, DECEMBER 1ST, 2026. AND WHEREAS WHEN A COMMUNITY COMES TOGETHER IN THE SPIRIT OF GENEROSITY, EVEN THE SMALLEST ACT OF KINDNESS CAN CREATE A LASTING IMPACT. NOW THEREFORE, THE MAYOR AND THE TOWN COUNCIL OF FRONT ROYAL DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 25TH AS DOLLARS FOR DOLLY DAY IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND ENCOURAGE OUR COMMUNITY TO HONOR DOLLY PARTON'S LEGACY OF GENEROSITY BY SUPPORTING A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, FOUNDATION OR CHARITABLE CAUSE OF THEIR CHOICE WITH GIVING ENCOURAGED THROUGH GIVING TUESDAY, DECEMBER 1ST, 2026. OKAY, THAT'S THE END OF MY REPORT. [12. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS] NEXT UP IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, YOU PASS, UH, AS PRESENTED. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. SECOND. YOU'RE A SECOND. SORRY. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION. AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. AND ROLL CALL. RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE CAN'T DO THE WHOLE SAY AYE. SAY ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DEPA. YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCILMAN OCK? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. [13.A. Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) Between the Town of Front Royal and the American Legion for the Military Tribute Banner Program] SO ITEM 13 A IS THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AN MOU BETWEEN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW AND THE AMERICAN LEGION FOR THE MILITARY TRIBUTE BANNER PROGRAM. IN 2025, THE TOWN FRONT OIL WAS SUPPORT FROM THE COUNTY OF WARREN STARTED THE MILITARY TRIBUTE BANNER PROGRAM. THE PROGRAM CURRENTLY [01:55:01] HAS 75 BANNERS INSTALLED ALONG ROYAL AVENUE, WHICH SOLD OUT IN A MATTER OF DAYS. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING A POTENTIAL COLLABORATION WITH OUR AMERICAN LEGION POST 53 TO ASSIST WITH THE PROGRAM EXPANSION OF THE NUMBER OF BANNERS TO 150. THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT WOULD CREATE A PARTNERSHIP IN WHICH THE AMERICAN LEGION WOULD MANAGER MANAGE THE BANNER APPLICATIONS, FEES, AND ORDERS. THE TOWN WOULD MANAGE THE INSTALLATION ON TOWN OWN POLLS. AFTER THE TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION DISCUSSION, THE FILING ITEMS HAD BEEN ADDED TO THE DOCUMENT VIRGINIA CODE, REFERENCE TO INCOME DONATIONS FROM LOCALITIES LANGUAGE STATING WE WILL MUTUALLY APPROVE THE DESIGN LANGUAGE TO KEEP THE COST AFFORDABLE AND THE HOLD HARMLESS LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADDED. SO AT THIS TIME I WILL, UM, DO AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. YOU WEREN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING? WERE YOU, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING TO MR. PETTY? I THINK YEAH, I CAN JUST TOUCH BASE REAL QUICK. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT, I THINK IN THE AMERICAN LEGIONS HERE AS WELL. UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THIS PARTNERSHIP AND WE'LL FURTHER DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, FURTHER EXPANSION AS LONG AS WE CAN HELD THAT CAPACITY, THE SIZE AND DESIGN OF THE BANNERS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE MORE PROMINENT. UM, BUT WE'LL WORK THROUGH THOSE DETAILS, BUT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COLLABORATION THAT I CAN HAVE DIRECTLY WITH THE LEGION AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT PARTNERSHIP. I THINK MARK WANTS TO SPEAK THAT. DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? YES MA'AM. SURE. COME ON UP. MADAM MAYOR, THANK THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS MARK BAUER. I LIVE ON GOOD VIEW DRIVE IN NEVADA ESTATES IN THE TOWN. I'M ALSO THE SERGEANT OF ARMS FOR THE POST AND I DO APPRECIATE MR. PETTY'S INVOLVEMENT. WE ARE EXCITED AND HONORED TO TAKE OVER THIS PROGRAM. MINOR GLITCHES. WE RECEIVED A, UM, EMAIL FROM MR. PETTY OVER THE ISSUES YOU JUST MENTIONED. TWEAKING IS ALL WE WANTED TO DO. WE DO KNOW WHEN WE, I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING, THE, UM, ON SEPTEMBER 8TH IN REFERENCE TO THE UTILITY POLES HERE IN TOWN. IF AS YOU TRAVEL YOU SEE ALL THE JURISDICTIONS, MOST OF THOSE BANNERS ARE ON THE POLES, WE WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT. 'CAUSE THIS, THIS IS GONNA GET A LOT BIGGER THEN. I THINK ANY OF Y'ALL ANTICIPATE JUST FROM BEING DOWN AT THE POST. THERE'S A LOT OF VETERANS WHO REALLY WANNA GET INVOLVED NOT ONLY JUST PERSONALLY, BUT THEIR FAMILIES FROM BACK WAY BACK WHEN. SO THAT BEING SAID, WE LOOKED OVER THE MOU. UM, WE LOVE THE B***R THAT YOU'VE PROPOSED. IT'S A GREAT PICTURE. THE ONLY, ONLY ADDITION WE WANT TO DO TO IT, WE WANT TO ADD THE RANK OF THE INDIVIDUAL AT THE END OF THEIR SERVICE TIME, PIECE OF CAKE. THE OTHER THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, WE KNOW THERE'S MORE TOWN POLES IN THE AREA THAT WE CAN UTILIZE LIGHT POLES. THIS, I REALLY FEEL IN MY HEART THAT THIS PROJECT'S GONNA GET BIGGER THAN THE LIGHT POLES. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO DO ADDITIONAL POLLS ALONG WITH WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MR. PETTY PROPOSED AN 18 BY 40 BANNER. CURRENTLY THEIR 18 BY 30. LET'S GO WITH 20 BY 40. I'VE ALREADY GOT A PRINTOUT THROUGH $85 PER POSTER FOR 20 BY 42 INCHES. MORE IN THE WIDTH, I DON'T THINK'S GONNA HURT ANYBODY. SO WE'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT. UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIGHT POLES ON KENDRICK LANE, WEST RYER ROAD, WALKING PATH, LIGHT POLES. UM, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE MAPS OF THE CURRENT POSITIONS, PROPOSED POSITIONS, BUT THERE'S MORE. SO OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE PROPOSAL, WE ARE LOOKING PROBABLY AT A TWO YEAR TIME PERIOD WITH POSSIBLY AN 18 MONTH REVIEW. MAKE SURE EVERYTHING LOOKS OKAY OUTSIDE OF THAT. I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY WRAP THIS UP SHORTLY. UH, BUT WE WANT TO, WE WANT OUR COMMANDER JUST SIGNED OFF ON IT AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FINISHING DOTTING THE I'S AND CROSSING THE T'S. OKAY. THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT TONIGHT THERE WAS THANKS MARK, THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ACTION ON IT. CAN WE STILL TAKE ACTION ON IT WITH THESE CHANGES THAT HE SUGGESTED? I BELIEVE SO. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO [02:00:01] DESIGN OR NOTHING WAS SPECIFIC IN THE MOU DIMENSIONS OR QUANTITIES IN THE MOU. IT'S JUST ESTABLISHING THAT PARTNERSHIP AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL WORK DIRECTLY WITH THEM. OKAY. OUR ENERGY SERVICES DEPARTMENTS SPECIFICALLY ON POLES AND WHICH ONES AND DESIGN. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL WORK DIRECTLY WITH. AND WE'RE OBVIOUSLY OPEN AND THE HARDWARE, BECAUSE TO START THE HARDWARE WAS, WAS A JOINT EFFORT FROM THE TOWN AND COUNTY. SO WITH THIS MANY MORE, UM, MILITARY BANNERS, IS THE IDEA THAT THERE, THAT THE LEGION IS GONNA RAISE FUNDS FOR THE HARDWARE OR WE, WE ALSO DISCUSSED THAT AND I THINK THEY'VE GOT IDEAS AND AGAIN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE HAPPY I THINK TO AGAIN, ADDITIONALLY PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY, THEY WOULD BE OURS. OKAY. ASSETS AF YOU KNOW YEAH. FOREVER IF WE PURCHASED. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN EXPLORE FURTHER PARTNERSHIPS ON, RIGHT. AS THIS YES. EVOLVE CONTINUES TO EVOLVE, EXPAND, EVOLVE HOW IT LOOK. OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WITH MR. PETTY WAS, UM, YES, WE APPRECIATE THE TALENT AND THE COUNTY ASSISTING WITH THE, THE HARDWARE 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE FOREVER. MM-HMM . SO THAT, THAT'S A GOOD PART. IF WE NEED FURTHER, UH, FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, WE CAN APPROACH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WE CAN APPROACH LOCAL BUSINESSES IN TOWN WITH THE PROGRAM ITSELF. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM FINDING DONATIONS. NO, I DON'T. IT'S A GREAT CAUSE. I AGREE. SO SIGN UP FOR THE DOLLARS FOR DOLLY TOO. THAT'LL WORK. JUST SAYING THANK YOU. YOU ALL SHOULD BE DOING THAT. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, SO THEN WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THAT. SO, UH, COUNSEL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE AMERICAN LEGION FOR THE MILITARY TRIBUTE BANNER PROGRAM AS PRESENTED. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I THINK WE KIND OF DID JUST DISCUSS, BUT, UM, EVERYBODY'S ALRIGHT. OKAY. ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DEPA. YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCILMAN . YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL. YES. THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR, FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO PARTNER WITH US ON THAT. THAT'S A GREAT THING. SO IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT WE DID, WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED. UM, [13.B. Deed of Easement and Vacation of Existing 5-Foot Storm Drainage Easement - 4EVERHOMES LLC] ALRIGHT, SO NEXT UP IS THE DEED OF EASEMENT AND VACATION OF EXISTING FIVE FOOT STORM DRAINAGE EASEMENT FOREVER HOMES LLC. IT IS PROPOSED THAT THE TOWN ACCEPTS PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 15.2 DASH 1808 20 FOOT STORM DRAINAGE EASEMENT OVER, ACROSS, UNDER AND UPON PORTIONS OF TAX MAP NUMBERS 20 A SEVEN DASH 12 DASH 33 AND 20 A SEVEN DASH 12 DASH 34 FOR ACCESS TO AND MAINTENANCE OF FACILITIES TO BE CONSTRUCTED BY FOREVER HOMES LLC AND ACCEPTED BY THE TOWN FOR INCLUSION IN THE TOWN'S STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM. THE PROPOSED DEED OF STORM DRAINAGE EASEMENT WITH PLAT ATTACHED IS PROVIDED FOR REVIEW. UM, SO IS THERE ANYTHING, MR. PETTY, THAT YOU WANTED TO, TO MAKE POP NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT TO MAKE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS, BUT SO THE PUBLIC BETTER UNDERSTANDS WHAT THIS IS OR YEP. MADAM MAYOR, I'LL, I'LL TAKE THIS ONE PLEASE. SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT SUMMARY, WHICH IS PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE, THE TITLE OF THE, UH, INSTRUMENT IS DEED OF STORM DRAINAGE EASEMENT. UH, WHAT'S MORE, UH, DESCRIPTIVE IS WHAT THE, IS THE SUBTITLE GRANT OF NEW 20 FOOT STORM DRAINAGE EASEMENT VACATION OF EXISTING FIVE FOOT STORM, UH, STORM SEWER EASEMENT. UM, SO THE CONCISE RATIONALE HERE IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE A BUILDABLE LOT NEEDS THE EXISTING, UH, STORM DRAIN RELOCATED. UH, AND IT ALSO, AND IT ACTUALLY BENEFITS THE TOWN AS WELL BECAUSE THE, THE AS BUILT EXISTING ON THE GROUND CURRENTLY IS NOT ACTUALLY LOCATED WITHIN THE FIVE FOOT PLATTED EASEMENT. SO IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR BOTH PARTIES. OKAY. ALRIGHT COUNSEL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, APPROVE AND ACCEPT THE DEED OF STORM DRAINAGE EASEMENT PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15 TWO DASH 1 8 0 CONVEYING A 20 FOOT STORM DRAINAGE EASEMENT TO THE TOWN OF RIP TOWN OVER, ACROSS, UNDER AND UPON PORTIONS OF TAX MAPS. UH, TAX TAX MAP NUMBERS TWO, UH, TWO ZERO A SEVEN DASH 12 DASH 33, AND TWO ZERO A SEVEN DASH 12 DASH 34 OWNED BY FOREVER HOMES LLC AND CONDITIONALLY VACATING A FIVE FOOT STORM DRAINAGE EASEMENT THE DEED TO BE [02:05:01] EXECUTED BY THE MAYOR ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN SESSION. OKAY, IS, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, MS. WOLF, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILMAN REPPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DEIDA COPA? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCILMAN LOC? YES. VICE MAYOR AL? YES. [13.C. Proposed Extension of Moratorium on Data Center Applications] OKAY. OUR, UM, NEXT AND QUITE FRANKLY IT'S OUR, UH, NO WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVE, OH, MEETING RIGHT, SORRY. UM, THE PROPOSED EXTENSION OF THE MORATORIUM ON DATA CENTER APPLICATIONS. SO COUNCIL WAS REQUESTED TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION EXTENDING THE CURRENT TEMPORARY 90 DAY MORATORIUM ON THE ACCEPTANCE OF LAND USE APPLICATIONS FOR DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL FOR AN ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS. WHILE THE TOWN CONTINUES THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS TO DEFINE AND ADDRESS DATA CENTER USES IN THE ZONING ORDERS ON JUNE 22ND, TOWN COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PREPARE A ZONING TAX AMENDMENT DEFINING DATA CENTERS AND PROHIBITING DATA CENTERS WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND ALL ZONING DISTRICTS WHILE ESTABLISHING A TEMPORARY MORATORIUM ON DATA CENTER APPLICATIONS. THE TEMPORARY MORATORIUM WAS PLACED INTO EFFECT ON JULY 6TH, 2026 FOR A PERIOD OF 90 DAYS EXPIRING OCTOBER 4TH, WHICH WILL BE THIS SUNDAY. COUNSEL WILL CONSIDER WHETHER TO EXTEND THE TEMPORARY MORATORIUM FOR AN ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS AND IF APPROVED, THE EXTENSION WOULD CONTINUE THE MORATORIUM WHILE THE TOWN COMPLETES THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS REGARDING DATA CENTER USES. SO, UH, COUNSEL, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNSEL, ADOPT THE RESOLUTION EXTENDING THE TEMPORARY 60 DAY MORATORIUM ON THE ACCEPTANCE OF DATA CENTER LAND USE APPLICATIONS FOR AN ADDITIONAL 90 DAYS AS PRESENTED. SECOND. SECOND. DID YOU GET THAT LIKE MULTIPLE PEOPLE JUST PICK, JUST PICK FIRST AND THEY ALL SECOND IT? PRETTY MUCH. UH, ANY DISCUSSION FOR THE DISCUSSION? I'LL JUST ADD THAT WE REVIEWED THIS AT THE SEPTEMBER 8TH WORK SESSION. UM, AND I KNOW MYSELF ALONG WITH SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD SOME ISSUES AND CONCERNS WITH SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT EXISTED IN THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE TO PROHIBIT DA DATA CENTERS AND BAN THEM IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. UM, AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I REQUESTED THAT OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL REENGAGE WITH THIS COUNSEL TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T LEAVE LOOPHOLES OR ANY AMBIGUITY. UM, AND THE FACT THAT THE MOTION THAT I MADE IN JULY WAS TO BAN DATA CENTERS IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. UM, AND SO WHILE WE WORK ON THAT, THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN DO IS TO, UM, PLACE A MORATORIUM ON DATA CENTER APPLICATIONS. UM, AND WE'LL DO THAT AS LONG AS WE NEED TO UNTIL THIS COUNCIL CAN MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE TAKE ACTION ON IS THE BEST, CLEANEST AND SAFEST POSSIBLE ROUTE FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. WE SAT HERE UNTIL AFTER 1:00 AM THE NIGHT OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS AND OUTCRY. UM, AND THE FIVE PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF DATA CENTERS THAT HAVE APPROACHED ME HAVE NOT BEEN WILLING TO DO SO PUBLICLY. UM, AND WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WITHIN 90 DAYS THIS COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE DECISIVE ACTION ON A PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT WILL BE BEFORE US HERE ON THIS DAIS FOR ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. UM, AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THE LAST MORATORIUM SHOWED ITS PURPOSE BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME APPLICATIONS WITHDRAWN THAT WERE NOT BEFORE THE TOWN, BUT THEY WERE WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS. UM, SO WE ARE ACTIVELY STILL WORKING TO UPHOLD THE WISHES OF OUR CONSTITUENTS. OKAY. THERE'S MOTION MADAM MAYOR. YEAH, SURE. I HAVE TO JUMP IN. UM, IF WE COULD HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. THE TIME PERIODS ARE REVERSED IN THE CURRENT MOTION. OKAY. THE ORIGINAL, UH, MORATORIUM WAS 90 DAYS AND THE EXTENSION IS 60. OKAY. SO, UM, THE MOTIONS, IT CAN'T BE, IT CAN'T BE VICE MAYOR BUT THOUGHT JUST HAVE TO BE SOMEBODY ELSE TO AMEND IT. I CAN AMEND MY OWN MOTION. SHE CAN AMEND OR, OR WITHDRAW IT AND THE WHOEVER SECONDED. I DIDN'T CATCH IT. WOULDN'T HAVE TO AGREE. I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY IF IT WAS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. I COULDN'T DO THAT. TO AMEND MY OWN MOTION. MOTION. I CAN DO THAT MOTION. I JUST NEED TO REREAD IT TO HILLARY TO WRITE FOR THE MINUTES AND THEN A SECOND. CORRECT. I, I THINK PROPERLY YOU WOULD WITHDRAW WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT SECONDED AGREEING AND THEN YOU WOULD MAKE A NEW MOTION. OKAY. I MOVE TO [02:10:01] WITHDRAW THE PREVIOUS MOTION. I AGREE. SHE WAS THE SECOND. SO THERE YOU GO. . ALRIGHT, NOW MOVE IT ON. GO AHEAD MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL. ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, EXTENDING THE TEMPORARY 90 DAY MORATORIUM ON THE ACCEPTANCE OF DATA CENTER LAND. USE APPLICATIONS FOR AN ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS AS PRESENTED. SECOND. OKAY, NOW ANY DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, I READ IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. IT'S WRITTEN BACKWARDS. NO. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. UH, ROLL. PAUL. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DEPA. YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCILMAN LOC? YES. VICE MAYOR AL? YES. ALRIGHT, SO OUR LAST ITEM TONIGHT IS ITEM 13 D. IT'S A PURCHASE OF A REPLACEMENT TRACK LOADER. COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE OF A CATERPILLAR 9 5 3 TRACK LOADER FROM CARTER MACHINERY COMPANY, INCORPORATED. UTILIZING SOURCE, WELL COOPERATIVE CONTRACT NUMBER 0 1 1 7 2 3. THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT EVALUATED TWO TRACK LETTERS AND RECOMMENDS THE CAT. I SAY CAT CATERPILLAR 9 5 3. BASED ON COST AND OPERATION, PURCHASE PRICE IS $274,845 LESS A $20,000 TRADE IN ALLOWANCE FOR THE TOWN'S EXISTING 1987 CAT LOADERS, UH, SIX 30 FOR A NET PURCHASE PRICE OF 2 250 $4,845. THE PURCHASE INCLUDES A FOUR IN ONE BUCKET AND A 60 MONTH, 3000 HOUR EXTENDED WARRANTY COVERING THE POWERTRAIN, HYDRAULICS AND TECHNOLOGY. THE NEW TRACK LOADER WILL REPLACE THE TOWN'S EXISTING LOADER CURRENTLY UTILIZED BY MULTIPLE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS. AND I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH WHAT THE BUDGET AND FUNDING IS 'CAUSE YOU CAN, YOU ALL CAN SEE THAT YOURSELVES, BUT, ALL RIGHT. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE PURCHASE OF A CATERPILLAR 9 59 5 3 TRACK LOADER FROM CARTER MACHINERY COMPANY, INCORPORATED THE AMOUNT OF $274,845 AS PRESENTED. MOTION. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU TO OUR TOWN STAFF FOR GETTING US THE BEST DEALS AND, AND UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S REPLACING A 1987. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING OUR MONEY WORTH OUT OF THESE THINGS. RIGHT? HOW OLD IS THAT? 39 YEARS OLD. PROBABLY OLDER THAN YOU , ISN'T IT? I'LL PROBABLY SAY YES. . ALRIGHT, SO, UM, ROLL CALL COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MEIDA PAYNE? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCILMAN ? YES. VICE MAYOR AL? YES. ALRIGHT. MOTION PASSES. AND SO SINCE THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL MEETING ADJOURNED, YES. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.