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MM-HMM[Board of Architectural Review on September 9, 2026.]
LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER THE NINTH, 2026.THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS WE HAVE NO CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR.
YOU ALL NEED TO NOMINATE A TEMPORARY CHAIR, PRO TEMPURA, WHICH IS TEMPORARY FOR THE DURATION OF THIS MEETING AND WOULD EXPIRE AT THE END OF THIS MEETING.
YEAH, I, I MOVE, UH, UH, THAT, UH, MEMBER NASH BE, UH, CHAIRMAN.
MS. OT, CHAIRMAN WATERS IS OUT.
VICE CHAIRMAN EATERS IS ABSENT.
MS. NASH, CAN I RECUSE OR DO WE NEED A THIRD VOTE? UM, I THINK THAT'S THE MAJORITY.
IN THAT CASE COUNTY, WOULD YOU BE KIND ENOUGH TO DO THE ROLL CALL? YES.
THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR LIST IS APPROVE THE WORK SESSION MINUTES.
DID YOU ALL GET A CHANCE TO DO LOOK AT THOSE? YES.
DID NOT HAVE A WORK SESSION TODAY.
SO ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? CONCERN UP AT THE NEXT SESSION? I MOVE.
WE ADOPT THE, UH, WORK SESSION MINUTES AS STATED.
UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE REGULAR MEETING.
ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? NONE FROM ME.
I MOVE, WE ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING.
WE'LL MOVE HEAD TO THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS THE CEILING APPLICATION, UM, FOR THE MILL BUILDING AT 518 STREET.
HAVE YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO GO GET THAT? THIS IS WHERE THE YES.
UM, PENTHOUSE, UH, STRUCTURE WAS NEEDING TO COME DOWN? YES.
I ACTUALLY HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, AND YOUR NAME IS WILL DIGS.
UM, I NOTICED THAT THE BUILDING WAS INITIALLY CONSTRUCTED BY SOMEONE IN THE BIGS FAMILY.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER.
SO HOPEFULLY YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS TO MY QUESTION.
SO I ASSUME THE ELEVATOR WAS A GRAIN ELEVATOR? YEP.
AND WAS IT THE KIND WITH THE CUPS AND PULLEYS? IS THAT WHY THE SHAFTS ARE ABOVE THE ROOF? WELL, THE GEARING MECHANISM IS UP TOP.
IT JUST NEEDED TO BE AT THE HIGHEST FLOOR SO THAT IT GOES FROM THE BASEMENT ALL THE WAY TO THE THIRD FLOOR.
SO NOW IT'S TO TRANSPORT GREEN.
THE GEARING IS JUST AT THE HIGHEST POINT SO THAT IT CAN GET UP THERE.
BUT YEAH, IT'S JUST A WALK-IN FLAT ACED ELEVATOR.
WITH A, UH, CABLE PULL SYSTEM IS THE MECHANISM, THAT MECHANISM STILL IN PLACE? YES, IT IS.
BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT IS, IS PLANNED TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE THAT WEIGHT IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY MAKING IT EVEN MORE UNSTABLE.
SO THE MECHANISMS FOR THAT ELEVATOR ARE COMING OUT? YES.
AND THE PROTRUSIONS THROUGH THE ROOF, ARE YOU PLANNING TO REMOVE THOSE? THAT IS THE PLAN.
IT HAS TO BE REMOVED ANYWAYS TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IF IT HAD TO BE REBUILT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED TO BE ABLE TO RECONSTRUCT IT.
BUT YES, UH, IT WAS, THAT WILL BE REMOVED AS WELL.
'CAUSE THAT'S ONE SIDE IS A LADDER TO GET TO IT.
AND THE OTHER SIDE IS, IS WHERE IT HOLDS THE CANS.
UH, AND THE LITTLE DORMER THAT'S NEXT TO IT, IS THAT INTENDED TO STAY IN PLACE? YES, I WILL NEED TO BE REPAIRED THOUGH AS WELL 'CAUSE OF THE SLOUCHING OF THE PENTHOUSE ONTO IT, BUT YEAH, I HAVE NO REASON NECESSARILY TO REMOVE THAT.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHAT THAT DOES OTHER THAN JUST MAYBE BREATHE A LITTLE BIT.
UH, YEAH, I'VE NOT FOUND ACCESS TO THAT NECESSARILY TO OPEN OR CLOSE IT.
I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT THAT IS, BUT, ALRIGHT.
DO, DID YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. S? UM, SO AS, AS YOU ENVISIONED THE PROJECT, UM, OR MAYBE I'LL JUST SAY THE IMPRESSION I GET IS THAT THE FIRST PRIORITY IS TO GET A SOLID ROOF, THAT THAT'S STRUCTURAL AND ON THE RIGHT ANGLE AND
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SMOOTH AND CONTINUOUS AND WATERPROOF.UH, AND THEN, UH, COULD YOU DISCUSS LIKE, PENETRATIONS THROUGH THAT ROOF THAT WOULD HOLD THE SHED VERSUS CAN A NEW SHED, LIKE IF, IF, IF INTERNALLY WE NO LONGER CARE ABOUT THE MECHANISM OR A WORKING ELEVATOR AND WHAT WE CARE ABOUT IS THE, JUST THE MASSING AND KIND OF SHAPE OF THE ROOF LINE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE JUST, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO SET THAT BACK ON ON A BETTER ROOF? THAT'LL HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REDONE BASED ON WHAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS RECOMMENDED BECAUSE THE, WHAT'S HOLDING IT UP IS, IS WOOD AND IS PRETTY WELL ROTTED.
UM, AND SO THAT'S ACTUALLY THE MAIN GOAL IS ACTUALLY TO REMOVE THAT STRUCTURE JUST SO IT DOESN'T COME DOWN.
SO I MEAN, THE REROOFING, IT WOULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, THE TURBINE LEAKS.
IT'S ALSO CAUSING LEAKS INTO THE BUILDING AS WELL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A LOT OF TROUBLE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RENTING IT AS, AS AS WELL.
BUT, UH, YEAH, MAIN GOAL IS TO GET THAT MECHANISM OFF AND THE LEAKING BUILDING OFF.
AND SINCE WE'RE HAVING MEAN THE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY PLANNING ON COMING THIS WEEKEND TO BEGIN AT LEAST THE, THE DEMOLITION OF IT.
UM, BUT YEAH, MAIN STEP IS JUST TO GET, GET THE, THE FAILING PENTHOUSE OFF OF THERE.
BUT IT WILL HAVE TO BE PRETTY MUCH COMPLETELY REDONE IF IT IS TO BE REDONE BASED ON WHAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER SAID.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE DEMO OF THE BILL OF THE PENTHOUSE AND REMOVAL FROM THE ROOF IS ALREADY PROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BECAUSE IT IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE.
SO NOW IT'S GONNA BE, DO YOU WANT IT REBUILT AND PUT BACK UP THERE AND, AND IN PLACE OR 'CAUSE IT, I GUESS ONE OF HIS ASKS IS IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO NOT PUT ANYTHING BACK UP THERE AND JUST REROOF OVER IT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT, YOU KNOW, HOW WHAT GOES BACK UP THERE AND HOW AND WHAT MATERIALS, ET CETERA.
AND SO IF YOU NOTICE IN THE REPORT IT'S NOT, THERE WAS SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE UP THERE, BUT THERE IS NO, I GUESS DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE FIRES AND IT HAS BEEN REBUILT.
THE, THE EXACT ORIGINAL SIZE LOOK OF THE STRUCTURE IS NOT KNOWN.
AND WE DO KNOW THAT IS NOT IT, BUT RIGHT.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CONVERSATION, YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT MEANS AND METHODS, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY FOR PURVIEW TONIGHT.
OR PURVIEW TONIGHT IS NOT HOW HE'S GONNA PUT IT BACK UP, BUT IS HE GONNA PUT SOMETHING BACK UP? RIGHT.
SO I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PRESERVATION THEORY, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BASED ON ANY ONE PERSON'S OPINION.
AND, UM, SO WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE, FIRST OF ALL, IS THAT IT BE DOCUMENTED IN PLACE FROM THE ROOF MEASURED, PHOTOGRAPHED, AND THOSE, UH, DOCUMENTS BE STORED IN WHEREVER RIGHT.
WITH WITH THE FOLDER WE HAVE WHERE IT IS STORED.
UM, BECAUSE THE MECHANICS ARE COMING OUT AND THERE'S NO REASON FOR THIS NOT ORIGINAL PENTHOUSE TO BE THERE.
UM, MY VIEWPOINT, UH, IS THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE RECONSTRUCTED BECAUSE AT THAT POINT YOU'RE CREATING DISNEYLAND.
UM, IS IT A CONTRIBUTING PART OF THAT BUILDING? YES.
BUT BECAUSE IT HAS A PURPOSE, IF IT NO LONGER HAS A PURPOSE, WHAT IS IT? WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THAT LITTLE DORMER NEXT TO IT IS RESTORED AND RETAINED, BUT I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK.
I THINK THAT IT WILL BE MISSED.
AND, UM, THE AESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING CHANGES AND THOUGH IT'S NOT ORIGINAL, IT HAS BEEN THERE QUITE A LONG TIME AND BY MOVING IT AND NOT PUTTING IT BACK, UM, IT, I AGREE WITH YOU
I, UM, I FEEL LIKE THE AESTHETICS OF IT COMPLETELY CHANGES, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IF UM, IT'S NOT SERVICE SERVICING OF
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PURPOSE, THEN IT REALLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE.UM, BUT THE DORMER I AGREE WITH THAT.
IF WE COULD SAVE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO A PRETEND STRUCTURE THAT WAS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE AS THAT ONE? I THINK THAT IF WE DO THAT, IT COMPLETELY CHANGES IT.
AND AT THIS POINT, IF WE'RE GONNA COMPLETELY CHANGE IT, THEN IT PROBABLY WOULD JUST BE BEST STILL LET IT GO.
SO YOU SEE THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW WITH THAT ORIGINAL DORMER MM-HMM
IS THAT, UH, IT'S LEANING ON IT.
THE END? UM, WELL I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF THAT.
I CAN SEE WE HAVE COLIN'S DRONE PHOTOS UP HERE ON THE OH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO COLIN TOOK DRONE PHOTOS, A HUNDRED AND SOME OF THEM SO THAT WE COULD DOCUMENT IT.
LET'S, SO OTHER THAN LOOK AT ONE OF, SO OTHER THAN EXACT MEASURE CLIMBING.
DO YOU GET TO CHOOSE WHICH DIRECTION YOU FLY HERE? CAN WE PLAY TO THE RIGHT OR IS THAT ASKING TOO MUCH? I THINK WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE PAGING AHEAD.
IT'S NOT, I CAN STAY IN HERE, THAT'S FINE.
WELL, NOPE, WE JUST OPENED ONE PICTURE OF THE JPEG.
WHOA,
I'LL DO IT WITH THE SPACE BAR.
IT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT STARTED IN THE ICE STORM LAST YEAR OR WHAT, BUT YEAH, I'VE SEEN IT WORSE.
THE LAST YEAR SCARES THE S**T OUT OF IT.
LITERALLY THE S**T OUTTA YEAH.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, IS THAT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HOLDING IT UP, THE CROSS BRACE THING AND, AND THE STUFF UNDER IS THE MECHANISM? YES.
SOMEBODY ADDED SOME SORT OF METAL, WHICH THEY ACTUALLY SAID IS LIKE OFF OF A OLD VEHICLE, LIKE A MODEL T OR SOMETHING.
BUT THE, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEER SAID THAT THAT DID NOT WORK, WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT THE OTHER, THE OTHER IS JUST A WOODEN WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT.
I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT THEY HAD UP THERE AND THEN SOMEONE ALRIGHT.
BUT ARE, ARE KEYS DIFFERENT THAN, THAN THOSE? THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE TUNNEL, THE LADDER TO GET UP TO THE PENTHOUSE.
THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT HOLDS THE CABLES FOR THE ELEVATOR THROUGH THERE.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WINDOW IS BEN FROM THE DORMER.
THE WINDOWS ARE KIND OF JUST LIKE LITERALLY NAILED UP THERE.
THERE ARE FOUR NAILS, ONE ON EACH SIDE THAT ARE BENT OVER TO HOLD THE WINDOWS UP.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, BUT, SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE DORMER ITSELF IS NOT IN GOOD CONDITION.
OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT.
I HONESTLY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT ONE.
I, IT WAS LIKE, IT WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLETELY REBUILT.
I WOULD TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE ROOF.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THOUGH THAT THEY COULD DO PRETTY EASILY.
THEY MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE VACANT ACCESS ON THE THIRD STORY TO GET UP THERE, BUT, UH, BUT IF THE WINDOW'S NOT OPERABLE, I'M ASSUMING A FIXED WINDOW WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I'M NOT SURE THAT, I'D HAVE TO LOOK, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A WINDOW OR JUST BEING COVERED BY SOME SORT OF WOOD.
WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT SAID TWO STASH OF SOME, IT MIGHT BE YOU.
LIKE I SAID THIS IS, THIS IS SOME OF THE BEST VIEWS I'VE HAD OF IT.
UH, BUT YEAH, IF IT'S A WINDOW, I WOULDN'T DO MIND REPLACING THAT, BUT I CAN'T REALLY TELL WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT WITHOUT GETTING CLOSER.
DO YOU, WHAT WERE THE OTHER FILES THAT HE GAVE US? WELL, IT WAS A WHOLE FILE OF 'EM.
I KEEP, I DON'T DID YOU SEE THE THREE DOTS TOP LEFT? IS THAT ANYTHING? LET'S SEE.
UH, UM, THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING HERE GUYS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
DOES THAT ANSWER SOME GOOD? OKAY.
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IT'S ALSO THE TOWN'S SKYLINE IF YOU WILL.UH, SO I, I WOULD FEEL THAT THERE WOULD BE A PENTHOUSE SHAPED HOLE IN THE SKYLINE IF IT WASN'T THERE.
UH, AND I WOULD, MY INSTINCT IS, YOU KNOW, COULD I SAVE THE ROOF? COULD I OF IT OR THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT PENTHOUSE THAT'S HISTORIC? NO, JUST 95 I THINK WAS WAS 95 OR SOMETHING.
UH, I GUESS THAT MAKES IT HISTORIC.
AND HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF IT IS EVEN SALVAGEABLE BECAUSE THE ENTIRE, THE SIDING IS BLOWN OUT AND THE ROOF, LIKE IT IS, IT'S PRETTY COMPROMISE.
IT'S EITHER REPLACE IT OR NOT.
BUT IF YOU REPLACE IT, IT'S NOT WITH YEAH, NO.
IT'S NOT HAVING MY COMPLETELY, I'M FEELING FAKEY.
I, YOU KNOW, TALK ME OUT OF IT.
BUT I ALSO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT AT ALL SIDES, I, I SEE IT AS A, UM, IF IT'S NOT GOING TO SERVE A PURPOSE AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A BUILDING UP THERE AND THE COST OF JUST PUTTING THAT BACK UP THERE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WASN'T HISTORICAL TO BEGIN WITH.
WELL, THE ELEVATOR WAS, YES, THE ELEVATOR AT SOME POINT IT HAD TO HAVE SOME SORT OF COVER BECAUSE IT REALLY COULDN'T OPERATE WITHOUT IT BECAUSE FOR TWO REASONS.
UM, ONE IS TO WEATHERPROOF THE MECHANICS PART.
THE OTHER ONE IS TO KEEP THE RIGHT, WELL UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE BUILDING HAS CAUGHT FIRE SO MANY TIMES THAT THE BUILDING IS EVEN AS HISTORICAL AS WE WANT IT TO BE.
OH, DID NOT KNOW THAT FERTILIZER.
SO IF IT DOESN'T COME BACK, IS THERE, THERE'S A, A NEW, A NEW STRUCTURE UNDER THE ROOF AND THEN IT MIGHT BE A PATCH OF STANDING SEA.
THE, THE FOLKS WHO DO THAT ARE ACTUALLY VERY GOOD AT THAT TYPE OF ROOF WORK AS WELL.
SO I MEAN, THEY WOULD TRY TO MATCH IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE REST OF THE ROOF.
THEY WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, WAS YOUR QUESTION THAT UNDER THE, UM, STRUCTURE, THERE'S NOT STANDING SEAM? IS THAT WHAT THIS SITUATION? NO, UH, I MEAN NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THAT THERE, WHEN, WHEN WE DELETE THAT ELEMENT, WHAT FILLS THE HOLE AND THE ANSWER IS MORE ROOF.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ROOF THAT'S THERE.
ARE THEY COMPLETELY PUTTING ON A NEW ROOF? NO, NO, NO, NO.
THE REST OF THE GALVANIZED ROOF IS, IS FINE.
THEY'D BE TRY TO BLEND IN THAT THEY, THEY'D REROOF IT TO BLEND IT IN WOULD BE THEIR GOAL.
UNLESS THERE'S PAINTING GOING ON, IT'S NOT GONNA BE BLENDED.
THEY WILL HAVE TO PROBABLY DO SOME SORT OF, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD AT, THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT THAT FROM WHAT I'VE SAID.
NEW GALVANIZED IS GONNA LOOK LIKE NEW GALVANIZED AND WHAT THEY, BUT IT'LL GET SOME PATINA EVENTUALLY.
BUT YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT THEN THE WHOLE ROOF MAY NEED TO BE PAINTED THEN AT ONE POINT, WHICH I WOULDN'T MIND DOING.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE DONE ANYWAYS.
SO YEAH, THAT, THAT I WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS JUST GENERAL MAINTENANCE.
IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY YOU WANNA LOOK AT INSTEAD OF ME SCROLLING THROUGH? OH, KEEP GOING.
YOU FOUND SOME MORE, YOU, YOU, YEAH.
THAT WOULD BE ANNOYING FOR ME IS THAT IT WOULD LIKELY AT SOME POINT LEAK AGAIN.
'CAUSE HOW PROTRUDING FROM THE ROOF IS WHY WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF ISSUES AS IT IS.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE RESTAURANT'S BEEN HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW.
THAT MAKES ME SAD TO LOSE THOSE OLD MECHANICS PART OF IT.
I KNOW THAT'S, WE WERE LOOKING AT IT TODAY AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA DO IT, THEY'RE LIKE, THIS IS REALLY PRETTY COOL.
I MEAN, IT'S A, IT HAS, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT'S VERY, I MEAN IT'S, IT IS VERY IN INGENIOUS IN ITS OWN WAY.
IF SOMEONE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING WHEN THEY PUT THAT UP THERE.
UM, OKAY, SO LET'S CIRCLE AROUND AGAIN.
I'LL HAVE ANOTHER, I'LL MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT.
UM, AGAIN, I THINK IT SHOULD NOT BE RECREATED, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE, UM, I THINK THE ROOF, ENTIRE ROOF SHOULD BE PAINTED AFTER IT'S REPAIRED.
I THINK THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW THE LAST TIME IT'S BEEN DONE ANYWAYS.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I'D HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT DORMER COMPLETED RESTORED.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE DEFINITELY CAPABLE OF DOING AS WELL.
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RIGHT.THE SATELLITE DISHES PROBABLY
I GUESS THESE ARE, THOSE ARE SOME PRETTY SIZABLE HOLES THAT ARE GONNA BE FILLED.
BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT AREA THERE IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WHOEVER'S BEEN PATCHING IT HAS NOT BEEN USING A LOT OF GOOD.
IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY HISTORIC THING IS THE STUMPS THAT THE METAL BRACKETS ARE TIED INTO.
AND THEN ON THE SATELLITE DITCH
THAT'S, SEE THAT'S THE BEST SHOT I'VE GOTTEN OF THE ROOF.
SO KEVIN, TALK MORE FROM YOUR HEART.
UH, SO I, THE PRIORITY IS GETTING THE WHOLE REST OF THE BUILDING A, A USABLE, SOLID ROOF AND PROTECTING THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
UH, AND I GET THE POINT THAT IT IS NO LONGER AN ELEVATOR AND THAT THAT BOX YOU SEE THERE IS NOTHING HISTORIC ABOUT IT.
UM, SO I, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M PERSUADED.
WELL THE IDEA OF COVERING, UM, ELEVATOR MECHANICS IS HISTORIC.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE, IT'S NOT MOST MILL BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY GRAIN MILLS HAD IT COVERING OVER THEIR CHEST.
THIS ONE'S DOING NO FAVORS TO THE DORMER.
THE DORM HELPING, HONESTLY, THE DORM, THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY THING HOLDING IT UP.
BUT IT WOULD MAKE THE DOOR MORE NOTICEABLE.
IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT'S BROKEN GLASS WINDOW THOUGH.
THAT ONE OF THOSE PICTURES SHOWED PRETTY, YEAH.
SO, UM, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS, IS TRADING AWAY THE, THE PENTHOUSE, THE MECHANICALS, THE PENETRATIONS IN EXCHANGE FOR A, A RE A, A, A WORKABLE ROOF THERE AND A REPAINTING OF THE ROOF AND A RESTORATION OF THE DORMER.
AND THAT, THAT'S THE COMPLETE SET OF TRADE OFFS.
IS THAT YOUR, YOU'RE PONDERING THAT OR YOU I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I HEAR.
I MEAN, IS THAT, THAT'S MY OPINION.
UH, I FELT IT WHEN I REPEATED IT BACK TO YOU.
WELL, I MEAN, DID YOU HAVE ONE I CAN READ.
UH, WELL, AND, AND WE NEED TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A PROJECT THAT WOULD, AND THIS IS, THIS IS ME WRITING THAT IN, IN MY HEAD.
IT WOULD DELETE THE ELEVATOR ELEMENTS.
PATCH THE STANDING SEAM ROOF PAINT.
NO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ELEVATOR.
ALL HE WANTS TO, HE'S ALREADY TAKEN THE ELEVATOR STEP OUT.
OUR ROLE IS TO DETERMINE, UM, AFTER ITS REMOVAL, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE ISSUE BEFORE THE BOARD IS WHETHER THE PENT HAS MUST BE RECONSTRUCTED, FOLLOW RECONSTRUCTED, FOLLOWING ITS REMOVAL PERIOD.
SO, BUT YOU COULD SPEAK TO HOW THE ROOF IS REPAIRED IN ITS ABSENCE.
UM, SO DO, DO YOU HAVE, I, I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU STAFF SPECIFICALLY WANTED US TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND DID NOT ACTUALLY, UH, DRAFT ANY FURTHER.
BUT IT WOULD BE, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY WRITING.
WE GRANT A CERTIFICATE OF A, OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A PRO FOR THIS PROJECT THAT WOULD
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NOT REQUIRE THE REINSTALLATION OF THE PENTHOUSE, BUT WOOD WANT TO SEE THE ROOF CONSISTENTLY PATCHED, PAINTED AND THE DORMER RESTORED AND RIGHT.I WOULD INCLUDE, INCLUDE THE MATERIALS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE RESTORED DORMER.
UM, WELL, IT DOESN'T EVEN, UM, OKAY.
SO DO YOU WANT ME TO READ BACK WHAT YOU SAID OR? YES.
UM, GRANT'S THE COA FOR THIS PROJECT THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE REINSTALLATION OF THE PENTHOUSE, BUT WANT, BUT WOULD WANT TO SEE THE ROOF CONSISTENTLY PATCHED, PAINTED, AND THE DORMER RESTORED.
NOW I HAVE CONSISTENTLY PATCHED AND IT'S A STANDING SEA ROOF.
AND THAT, IS THAT ENOUGH? UH, WHAT MATERIAL WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THOSE WINDOWS? AND IS IT AN OPERABLE WINDOW? IS IT A FIXED WINDOW? WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT? I DON'T KNOW.
COULD WE GO BACK TO THE DRONE SHOT OF THE, YOU WANT MY OPINION? I DON'T, YES.
WHILE YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR MOTION.
I SUSPECT THE SIDING IS A, IS A WOOD MATERIAL.
AND I THINK THAT WINDOW CAN BE FIXED AND IT SHOULD BE PAINTED WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA THAT, THAT LOOKS LIKE, WELL, I MEAN IT'S NOTCHED.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SAY WHETHER IT'S VINYL OR IT'S A WINDOW OR, NO, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE, AT THE LOOKING SIDE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS NOW.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SO ARE WE SAYING WOOD SIDING AND A WOODEN OR ALUMINUM CLAD WIND? ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD, ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD.
IF YOU CAN'T GET TO IT, IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE FIXED.
UM, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR VENTILATION.
UM, MAYBE THE PIGEONS ARE USING IT.
SO IF THE WINDOW'S BROKEN, I'M SURE SOMETHING'S GONE IN THERE.
UM, CAN WE JUST SAY THE WINDOW NEED NOT BE OPERABLE OR WE ACTUALLY ARE SPECIFYING AND NOTABLE.
SO RESTORATION OF THE DORMER WITH A WINDOW OF EITHER WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD.
AND IT MAY BE, UM, OPERABLE OR INOPERABLE, UH, AT THE OWNER'S CHOICE.
AND YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE ROOFING ON THE DORMER? UH, WELL, THAT'S ALSO THE SAME STANDING SEAM.
UM, WHAT, WHAT WOULD WE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT? WELL, THEY MIGHT INTERPRET THAT TO MEAN THEY COULD DO ANYTHING THEY WANT TO, BUT SHE MIGHT, UM, IF THEY'RE RESTORING THE DORMER.
I'LL SAY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ENTIRE ROOF, UH, WILL BE, UM, STANDING SCENE, THE ENTIRE ROOF OF THE DORMER, ENTIRE ROOF OF THE STRUCTURE.
I MEAN, DORMER WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DORMER, RIGHT.
WITH THE DORMER HAVING, UH, ITS STANDING SCENE, ROOF, SANDING, SEA WOOD, SANDING SEA, UH, METAL, PERFECT ROOF.
UM,
RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT RESTORING THOSE.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT RESTORING THE ROOF.
UM, IT'S NOT PART OF OUR DECISION MAKING.
WELL, I THINK, I THINK THEY MAY FIND THAT THEY'RE, WELL, I, I, I WOULD SAY WITH THE RETENTION OF THE SNOWBIRDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE ON DOOR ON THE ROOF, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DORM REPAIR MOTION HAS ABOUT THE DORM.
WELL, BUT, BUT WE JUST WANNA HEAR ABOUT THE DORMER FIRST.
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THIS IS OUR, WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THERE.
NO, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE DORMER.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT YOUR MOTION INCLUDED PAINTING THE ROOF.
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THIS BACK? YEAH, LET'S READ IT BACK.
GRANT THE COA FOR THIS PROJECT, THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE REINSTALLATION OF THE PENTHOUSE, BUT WOULD WANT TO SEE THE ROOF CONSISTENTLY PATCHED, PAINTED, AND THE DORMER RESTORED RESTORATION OF THE DORMER WITH A WINDOW OF EITHER WOOD OR ALARM ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD.
AND IT MAY BE OPERABLE OR INOPERABLE AT THE OWNER'S CHOICE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ENTIRE ROOF OF THE DOOR MIRROR HAVING ITS STANDING SEEM METAL ROOF.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD SOME MORE ABOUT THE PAINTING OF THE EXISTING BUILDING SHEET METAL ROOF? UH, I, I THINK, UH, OR ANYTHING ELSE, IT'S ALONG THE LINES OF SCRAPED AND PAINTED, UH, TO A CONSISTENT COLOR.
UM, AND THEN I DON'T THINK WE FINISHED OUR HISTORIC COLOR ROOF COLOR OPINION, BUT WE DO HAVE A SHINY ALUMINUM PAINT.
IS, IS A VALID OPTION? I DON'T KNOW.
IS THAT IN OUR GUIDELINES? IT, UH, IF IT'S NOT, CAN'T GO, IT'S, OR IT'S, IT'S IN THE DRAFT, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE, IF IT'S NOT, IF IT'S NOT IN THE CURRENT GUIDELINES, THEN PAINTING PAINT COLORS, IT'S CONSIDERED MAINTENANCE.
UM, SO I THINK YOU HAD A COMMENT ABOUT THE SHUTTER DOGS.
DO YOU, I MEAN THE, UH, SNOWBIRDS YES.
YOU WANNA, UH, AND RETAINING THE SNOWBIRDS ON THE MAIN ROOF AND THE, UM, YOU SAID THIS PROJECT, CAN WE ADD IN ALSO THE PROJECT NUMBER, WHICH IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE HERE? RIGHT THERE.
SO WE, WE ARE MOVING TO GRANT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 2 6 0 0 4 4 2.
DO YOU WANNA READ WHAT I TYPED THAT YOU SAID, OR WOULD YOU RATHER I'LL HAVE YOU, YOU WANT ME TO READ IT? YEAH.
AND THEN SOMEONE CAN SECOND THAT IF YOU AGREE.
GRANT, GRANT DOA FOR THIS PROJECT NUMBER 2 6 0 0 4 4 2, THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE REINSTALLATION OF THE PENTHOUSE, BUT WOULD WANT TO SEE THE ROOF CONSISTENTLY PATCHED, PAINTED, AND THE DORMER RESTORED RESTORATION OF THE DORMER WITH A WINDOW OF EITHER WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD.
AND IT MAY BE OPERABLE OR INOPERABLE AT THE OWNER'S CHOICE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ENTIRE ROOF OF THE DORMER HAVING ITS STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, THE ROOF SCRAPED AND PAINTED TO A CONSISTENT COLOR AND RETAINING THE SNOWBIRDS OR BIRDS ON THE MAIN ROOF.
SO THAT LAST SENTENCE YOU SAID THE ROOF, MAYBE YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WHICH ROOF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IN THAT CASE IS THE MAIN ROOF OR ALL ROOF? WELL, THAT WAS ABOUT PAINTING, SO I THINK IT'S ALL ROOFING, ALL ROOF.
SO ALL ROOFING TO BE SCRAPED AND PAINTED.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANNA SAY? UM, DID YOU WANNA MENTION THE, UM, SIDING ON THE DORMER IF THEY DECIDE IT'S IN BAD CONDITION AND NEEDS REPLACEMENT? UM, YES.
UM, IF THE, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S, IF THE SIDING ON THE DORMER CANNOT BE, UH, RETAINED AND MAINTAINED, THEN IT SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH, UH, A LIGHT MATERIAL.
WHAT IF IT'S PLASTIC? I, I MEAN, YEAH.
SO YOU, SO YOU'RE SAYING IF THE WINDOW SHOULD BE WOOD, BUT IT'S OKAY IF YOU SITE IS PLASTIC.
UH, IF IT'S THE LIGHT MATERIAL, OR, I MEAN, OR WOULD WE BE AT, I MEAN, IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE PLASTIC, ARE WE ASKING FOR AN UPGRADE ON THE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, WELL, I, I THINK IT'S JUST A LIFE MATERIAL IS LIKE WHAT'S YOU MEAN LIKE WHAT'S EXISTING? YES.
THEN WHY WOULD YOU NOT SAY THAT ABOUT THE WINDOW? UH, BECAUSE I AM IN DOUBT ABOUT THE WINDOW
ALSO, I GUESS I HAVE DEEPER DOUBTS ABOUT THE WINDOW.
UH, I DIDN'T WANNA TAKE MORNING RIGHT NOW.
UH, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS
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MOTION.YOU KNOW, I'M PUTTING IT OUT THERE FOR YOU.
UM, THE MOTION TO BE SPECIFIC, RIGHT? ONLY THING THAT I WOULD REQUEST MEAN IS SOMETHING THAT IS POTENTIALLY DURABLE.
BECAUSE IF IT'S WOOD AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO PAINT WOOD A LOT MORE, I WOULD LIKE, IF IT WAS MY IDEA SOMETHING THAT IS MORE DURABLE.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN GET LIKE WOOD LADDER, YOU KNOW, IT'S LAPS, SIDING MADE OUT OF COMPOSITE MATERIAL OR NOT.
AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S, THAT'S A STUPID THING.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS.
SO I, WELL, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF HOW ABOUT ORDER COMPOSITE MATERIAL? ALRIGHT, ORDER COMPOSITE.
CAN WE STOP THE CONVERSATION? UH, ALRIGHT.
SO, UM, IF, IF THE SIDING ON, SO THIS WOULD BE, IF THE SIDING ON THE DORMER CANNOT BE RESTORED, UH, THEN IT CAN BE REPLACED WITH WOOD OR COMPOSITE MATERIAL IN THERE.
THERE MAKING YOU THINK, KEVIN? UH, ALL RIGHT.
WHAT ELSE HAVEN'T I THOUGHT ABOUT? UM, I THINK YOU GOT IT ALL.
CAN WE READ BACK MY MOTION? MR. CUTBACK MOVE TO GRANT COA FOR THIS PROJECT NUMBER 2 6 0 0 4 4 2.
THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE REINSTALLATION OF THE PENTHOUSE.
WOULD WANT TO SEE THE ROOF CONSISTENTLY PATCHED, PAINTED, AND A DORMER RESTORED RESTORATION OF THE DORMER WITH A WINDOW OF EITHER WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD.
AND IT MAY BE OPERABLE OR INOPERABLE AT THE OWNER'S CHOICE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ENTIRE ROOF OF THE DORMER HAVING ITS STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF, ALL ROOFING TO BE SCRAPED AND PAINTED TO A CONSISTENT COLOR.
AND RETO RETAINING THE SNOWBOARDS ON THE MAIN ROOF.
IF SIDING ON THE DORMER CANNOT BE RESTORED, THAT IT COULD BE REPLACED WITH WOOD OR COMPOSITE MATERIAL.
WHO WROTE THAT?
IS THERE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND.
ONCE WE GET SIGNED OFF AND EVERYTHING AND THEN, UM, YOU'LL JUST NEED TO SUBMIT THE ZONING PERMIT FOR, FOR THE WORK.
THANK YOU FOR STAYING THIS LATE IN EVENING.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM ON AGENDA IS THE APPLICATION FROM MR. BANK.
SO YOU GUYS WERE, UH, YOU READ THE, UM, APPLICATION.
WHAT KIND DID YOUR ACTION? IT'S ON PAGE 42, 38.
WELL, IF IT'S A RUNNING START YEAH.
ALRIGHT, UM, 30 OUR CONSIDERATION CONSIDER WHETHER, WHETHER THE PROPOSED WINDOW AND PORCH TREATMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE GILES COOK HOUSE AND THE FRONT ROYAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, INCLUDING WINDOWS RETAINING 606 WINDOW CONFIGURATION CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC SURVEY, HISTORIC PORCH RECONSTRUCTION, REINTRODUCTION OF A DOCUMENTED HISTORIC FRONT PORCH PORCH, RATHER THAN A NEW FEATURE WITHOUT HISTORIC PRECEDENCE, SCALE AND FORM CONSISTENCY OF THE PROPOSED PORCH WITH THE DOCUMENTED ONE STORY CONFIGURATION, MATERIAL AND DETAIL COMPATIBLE OF COMPATIBILITY OF THE PORCH MATERIALS, POST ROOF RAILING AND OTHER VISIBLE DETAILS.
BOOK HISTORIC BUILDING PUBLIC VIEW.
THE PORCH WILL BE LOCATED ON THE PRIMARY REALIZATION WILL BE VISIBLE FROM EAST MAIN STREET.
THIS DESIGN SHOULD THEREFORE REINFORCE THE PUBLIC'S, THE BUILDING'S HISTORIC.
ALRIGHT, SO THERE YOU HAVE IT.
UH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REVIEWED THE, UH, MOTION FROM THE JULY OF, FROM THE JULY MEETING, JULY 14TH, 2026.
MR. BECK MOVES SECOND BY MS. HENRY IN THE MATTER.
THAT ONE REMAINING ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW SHOULD BE REPAIRED.
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ALL WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK BE REPLACED WITH SIX OVER SIX WOODEN WINDOWS.ALL WINDOWS NEED TO BE SET APPROPRIATELY WITH WOOD, EXTERIOR TRIM OR MORTAR AS APPROPRIATE TO THE HOUSE STRUCTURE AND ALL WORK TO BE INSPECTED BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
WHAT THIS DIDN'T, UM, TALK ABOUT WAS THE, UM, APPROVAL WE MADE THE YEAR BEFORE, WHICH WAS THAT THE WINDOWS FACING LAUNDROMAT COULD REMAIN AS VINYL.
BUT THIS OVERRIDES THAT TRUE BRAND NEW WHOLE NEW THING.
YOUR DECISION TO THE TOWN COUNCIL? YEP.
THE DECISION FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE OR THIS ONE? NO, THE NEW ONE.
THIS ONE THE APPEALED YOUR JULY DECISION TO TOWN COUNCIL.
AT WHICH TIME HE CAME UP WITH A COMPROMISE TO REBUILD THE OLD PORCH AND THE SHUTTERS, ET CETERA.
AND THE SHUTTERS ARE NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE THAT CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVE.
AND BECAUSE THAT WAS NEW INFORMATION AND NOT PART OF YOUR PREVIOUS REVIEW.
TOWN COUNCIL DENIED HIS APPEAL AND HE'S STARTING OVER.
BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT GOING TO RULE ON AN APPLICATION YOU ALL HAD NOT SEEN.
SO ANYWAY, SO THIS IS A NEW APPLICATION.
SO THIS IS A BRAND NEW APPLICATION TO, TO KEEP WOOD, FRONT WOOD WINDOWS FRONT FACING MAIN STREET.
ALL IT SAYS IS RETAIN THE EXISTING.
SO CONFIGURATION, IT DOESN'T SAY THE MATERIAL AND ADD WOOD SHUTTERS AND ADD A FIRM PORCH.
WHERE DOES IT SAY SHUTTERS? THE SHUTTERS ARE ADMINISTRATIVE.
THEY'RE NOT FOR YOUR PURVIEW OR JUST EXPLAINING THE WHOLE SITUATION.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SHUTTERS.
WE HAVE NOT APPROVED THE SHUTTERS BECAUSE WE SHE APPROVED IT.
SHE, SHE APPROVED IT IN, UH, OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW OFF LAST WEEK, BUT WE BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING SHUTTERS HERE.
BUT IT AS PART OF HIS PLAN, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE SHOWN IN HIS RENDERING.
UH, SO WHERE DOES IT TALK ABOUT THE MATERIALS OF THE PROPOSED PORCH? DID YOU GUYS FIND THAT IT, IT'S, UM, PICTURES? NO, I WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU WROTE ABOUT IT.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
THIS IS COMPATIBILITY OF THE PORCH.
NO, THAT WAS THE BAR'S CONSIDERATION.
SEE, CAN I SEE THIS LOVELY PHOTO? BUT IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE HOUSE.
YEAH, IT'S NOT THE EXISTING BUILDING.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ENVISIONED, WELL, IT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME LAYOUT.
IT WAS, IS THIS AN OLD PICTURE OF THIS BUILDING? NO, THAT, THAT IS AN AI DRAWN AND THAT IS THE OF A PRETEND BUILDING THAT'S HAS NO RELATIONSHIP TO THIS BUILDING.
WHERE'S THE DOOR? WHERE'S THAT, THAT THAT DOOR HAS ALREADY BEEN CLOSED UP.
IS THERE A WINDOW CURRENTLY THERE? YES.
AND WHERE'S THE HISTORIC EVIDENCE FOR THAT PORCH? IT'S ON THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR, UM, UH, OF THIS BUILDING.
WHERE'S THE PHOTOS FROM THIS BUILDING? THERE ARE NO PHOTOS OF THAT BUILDING WITH ITS PORCH, BUT IN THE SURVEY IT DESCRIBES A, A PRIOR PORCH BY THE SAME OWNER WITH THE THREE BAY THING.
THIS IS MATCHING THE ONE THAT, YES.
SO THAT IS THE RIGHT, THIS HOUSE HAS LOST ITS PORCH.
BUT THAT PORCH IS BASED ON THIS HOUSE.
SO PUTTING, UM, USING THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR AND ITS FORMER PORCH AS PATTERN FOR A NEW PORCH ON THE FRONT OF THAT ONE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS FACADE LOOKS LIKE ANYMORE? CORRECT.
THE, THE, THE DOOR ON THE LEFT HAS BEEN BRICKED UP AND A WINDOW INSTALLED.
I DON'T HAVE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
THAT WAS, IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON YOUR NO, THE LAST PAGE OF THE, UM, APPLICATION HAS, THERE YOU ARE.
ALRIGHT, LET ME GO BACK TO THE APPLICATION WHERE IT TELLS EVERYTHING WE'RE GONNA DO IN EX SHEET DETAIL.
DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPOSAL INCLUDE MATERIALS AND COLORS.
WHERE IS THE DESCRIPTION THAT IT WANTS ME TO SEE? I TAKE THE PICTURE.
WHAT SKETCH DRAWING ELEVATIONS HE CURRENTLY INSTALLED SIX
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OVER SIX WINDOWS AND ADD A FRONT PORCH WITH HIP ROOF OF OVER DOOR AND WINDOWS.KEEP THE CURRENTLY INSTALLED SIX OVER SIX WINDOWS.
I SEE THAT AS A TRADE BEING OFFERED.
SAYING, UM, LET ME KEEP THE VINYL WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE.
THEY ARE SIX OVER SIX AND UM, THEY BECOME RIGHT.
LET, LET ME KEEP THE WINDOWS AND SPEND NEW MONEY ELSEWHERE ON HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE COMPONENTS.
SO THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW IS JUST ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
WE'LL GET INTO THE REST OF IT.
BUT, BUT WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE TRADING AWAY.
UH, OUR PREVIOUS, I'M NOT OPEN FOR THAT KIND OF TRADE, BUT I WILL BE OPEN TO A COMPROMISE THAT ALL THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH CURRENTLY HAVE VINYL MOTEL WINDOWS IN THEM, MEANING MOUNTAINS ARE BETWEEN THE SHEETS OF GLASS MM-HMM
WHICH IS SO INAPPROPRIATE FOR THIS REALLY IMPORTANT BUILDING, WHICH ALSO IS CONNECTED TO THE TWO HOUSES NEXT DOOR.
WE ORIGINALLY HAD SAID, OKAY, THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK SHOULD BE WOOD AND THEY SHOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE MOUNTAIN PATTERN AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO I'M WILLING TO WALK AWAY FROM THE WINDOWS ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND SAY LOVELY PORCH IF IT'S WOOD.
UM, BUT THE WINDOWS FACING MAIN STREET STILL NEED TO BE WOOD OR ALUMINUM PLA WOOD IN THE APPROPRIATE MUNTON PATTERN AND GLAZING TYPE WITH THE MUS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS.
WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? JUST THE WINDOWS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M LEANING THAT WAY AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK THAT HE SHOULD HAVE TO DO THE BACK WINDOWS OR THE SIDE WINDOWS, BUT THE, THE FRONT FACING WINDOWS, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM MORE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
WHAT'S YOUR OPINION JUST ABOUT THE WINDOWS YOU'RE WILLING TO GIVE 'EM AWAY? I AM, UH, I AM DOING THIS HOLISTICALLY AS A HISTORIC PROJECT THAT CAN GET DONE.
UH, AND SO, SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH VINYL WINDOWS IN EXCHANGE FOR THE PORCH? WHY NOT WOOD WINDOWS AND THE PORCH, WHICH IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO? UH, BY THE WAY, I, THE RIGHT THE, THE, THE IF, IF I, BETWEEN THE SHUTTERS, UM, FRAMING THE WINDOWS, UM, HISTOR AND GIVING THEM A, A TRUE RESTORED HISTORIC LOOK.
WE KNOW THOSE SHUTTERS WERE THERE.
THIS IS NOTHING ABOUT THE SHUTTERS.
WELL, I, MY MY THING IS NOT ABOUT THE SHUTTERS.
I, I, IF, IF THE OWNER HAD BROUGHT US THIS WHOLE PROJECT TO BEGIN WITH, I WOULD'VE BEEN IN FAVOR OF IT.
AND SO I I'VE BEEN IN FAVOR BECAUSE OF THE WINDOWS.
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE WILLING TO GIVE UP WOOD WINDOWS FACING MAIN STREET.
I I YOU'RE SELLING THIS IS NOT A SALES PROJECT.
I, I I THINK THAT THAT IS, UM, COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT.
SO YOU'RE THE VINYL WINDOWS WITH MOTEL GLAZING.
IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT, UH, AS PART OF A PROJECT? YOU, I MEAN, YOU KNOW.
THERE'S, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE A MAILBOX ON FRONT PORCH TOO.
SO NOW THAT WE'RE, LET'S TALK ABOUT, DID YOU HAVE, DID YOU SAY WHAT YOU WANTED SAY ABOUT THE WINDOWS? YOU YES, I AM.
LET'S NOW TALK ABOUT THE FRONT PORCH WITH THE HIP ROOF OVER THE DOOR AND WINDOWS.
SEE THE PHOTO? ALRIGHT, WHAT ARE YOU OKAY WITH? PLASTIC PORCH? IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THE MATERIAL IS INTENDED TO BE.
UM, 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH VINYL WINDOWS, YOU'RE OKAY WITH VINYL PORCH.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY WANT TO, UM, IT IS A, IT IS A RECREATION OF A HISTORIC ELEMENT, WHICH, WHICH WE KNOW EXISTED ON THAT HOUSE.
UH, AND WE KNOW THAT IT DID NOT EXIST IN PPC AT THE TIME.
UH, SO, UH, YOU COULD SAY YES, IT, IT MUST BE WOOD.
UM, BUT, BUT WE WOULD STILL KNOW IT WAS DOING THE BEST IT COULD.
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UH, I MEAN, IT IT IT'S NOT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN DOING THE BEST IT COULD? THE, THE PORCH.DESCRIBE, EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING IT BACK ON PER, ITS ITS PROPORTION.
ITS HIP, IT'S, WE KNOW THAT IT, IT EVOKES THE, SOMETHING THAT THE COOK FAMILY HAD ON THAT HOUSE AND THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
AND SO WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE MATERIAL? UM, UH, I I, I WOULD WANT IT TO BE, WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE PRESSURE TREATED UNDER THERE.
UM, THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE IF YOU'RE PAINTING IT.
I, I WOULD, IT WOULDN'T APPROPRIATE FOR PAINTING, BUT IT'S NOT SPECIFIED AND YOU CAN MAKE IT WHATEVER YOU WANT IN YOUR MOTION.
WE CAN'T, 'CAUSE THE APPLICATION DOESN'T CORRECT UP, I MEAN IT, THAT GROUP AND IT ALSO, THE MATERIAL ON THE ROOF IS NOT MENTIONED.
SO DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT WELL, YEAH, BUT TELL, TELL SOME MORE ABOUT YOUR PORTION.
UH, I, I WOULD, UM, BECAUSE I SEE, UM, TRADING AWAY THE WINDOWS FOR, FOR OTHER ELEMENTS, UH, FOR THE RESTORATION OF ELEMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT THERE.
UM, YES, IT WOULD BE NICE IF, IF YOU HAD A, UH, STANDING SCENE ON IT.
WHAT? STANDING SCENE NOW? UM, NOW YOU SAY IT WOULD BE NICE.
SO YOU'D BE OPEN TO OTHER MATERIALS IT SOUNDS LIKE.
UH, I MEAN, WELL I, I I, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THIS AI PICTURE, THERE'S SHINGLES ON THE ROOF.
ARE SHINGLES ON THE ROOF THERE? IT IS CURRENTLY A SHINGLE ROOF.
UH, AND LIKE THAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE WHERE I'D LIKE TO BE IS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH MR THAT WOULD INCLUDE MR. BANG.
AND WHAT, WHAT CAN GET DONE? YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WORK CAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN? YES.
AND I'M IN FAVOR OF, THAT'S WORTHY OF MAIN STREET OF WORK HAPPENING.
UM, IN THE DIRECTION OF GOODNESS
UM, AND, UM, I, YES, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU SAID WOOD PORCH, MAYBE A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF STANDING SEAM ON THE ROOF.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOUR WORDS WOULD, IF IT SOUNDS KIND OF I WOULD PREFER IT.
UM, ALRIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S ALRIGHT.
SO THIS IS THE PORCH IS THE SECOND SUBJECT.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU ABOUT THE PORCH.
I THINK THE PORCH IS AN UPSTAIRS.
I THINK THE WINDOWS WERE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE.
AND, AND WE, COMING FROM A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORICAL BACK OF IT.
UM, THE BUILDING ITSELF, IF THE WINDOWS ARE NOT AND AND FINISHED AND THEY ARE NOT AT THIS POINT, UM, UH, THERE'S, IT'S STARTING IT.
THE BUILDING'S GOING TO START TO GET WORSE INSTEAD OF BETTER WITH THE WAY THE WINDOWS ARE, THEY HAVE STOPPED COMPLETELY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, IF THE COMPROMISE NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THOSE WINDOWS BE FINISHED AND THE BUILDING WILL BE SECURE SO THAT THERE IS NOT LIQUIDS AND, AND WEATHER AND ALL THE THINGS, UM, CAUSING THAT BUILDING TO DETERIORATE.
UM, THAT, THAT IS WHERE MY MIND GOES WITH IT.
UH, I THINK THAT ASKING FOR THE FRONT WINDOWS TO BE THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE AND BEING WILLING TO GIVE UP OUTSIDE AND BACK WINDOWS, UM, IS A GOOD COMPROMISE TO THAT.
UM, WHEN YOU SAY SHOULD, WHAT IS EXACTLY, DO YOU THINK THAT SHOULD BE YOUR DESCRIPTION OF THEM? UH, DESCRIPTION? YOU MEAN WOOD? YEAH, THE WOOD.
THE, THE WAY THEY, UM, WHAT WAS IN THE FIRST WITH THE MOUNTAINS ON THE OUTSIDE, THE MOUNTAINS.
SO AN OPTION FOR WOOD IS PAINTED WOOD OR ALUMINUM.
WOOD THAT EITHER ONE OF THOSE WOULD WORK, UM, BUT NOT THE VINYL, NOT WHAT'S THERE.
UM, AND THEN IF THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY WANT PUT THE PORCH ON THAT IT
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NEEDS TO BE DONE.THAT LEAVING TO WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE THEN? THE WOOD AND THE, THE METAL ROOFING.
IN YOUR OPINION, THE DESIGN THAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THAT, IS THAT AESTHETIC AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? YES.
AND THOUGHTS ON MATERIALS FOR THE PORCH AND THE ROOF? UH, I WOULD GO WITH A WOODEN ROOF.
I MEAN A WOODEN, UM, PORCH AND, AND THEN THE METAL ROOF.
WHAT ELSE IS ON HERE? HIP ROOF OVER DOOR AND WINDOWS.
SO IT'S JUST THE WINDOWS, THE SIX OVER SIX WINDOWS AND THE FRONT PORCH IS WHAT WE'RE, IS WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING HERE.
SO THEIR MATERIALS AND COLORS HAVEN'T BEEN INCLUDED EXCEPT TO RETAIN THE CURRENTLY INSTALLED WINDOWS, WHICH WE KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.
UM, EXISTING SIX, SIX WINDOWS MAY REMAIN AND SHALL NOT BE ALTERED IN A MANNER THAT SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGES THEIR HISTORIC CONFIGURATION FOR APPEARANCE.
DO THE EXISTING SIX OVER SIX WINDOWS CHANGE THE HISTORIC CONFIGURATION OF APPEARANCE? YES.
UM, AND YOU'RE, THEY HAVE SIX OVER SIX.
SAY WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND HERE AGAIN.
I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A COMPROMISE.
WORD BUILDING HAS FINISHED WINDOWS AND DETERIORATION OF THE BUILDING IS NOT A QUESTION BECAUSE OF THE WINDOWS.
SO I DIDN'T WANT THAT CLOSE TO IT.
'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN PUT IN AND NOT TRIMMED OUT.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT FINISHED NOW.
UM, HISTORIC PORCH RECONSTRUCTION.
RECON REINTRODUCTION OF A DOCUMENTED HISTORIC PREP PORCH.
SO DOCUMENTATION IS RELATIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT DOCUMENTED TO THIS BUILDING, BUT WE KNOW IT HAS, IT IS, IT IS DOCUMENTED THAT IT HAD A PORCH.
LET'S, LET'S CLARIFY WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
AND THEN WE READ IT AHEAD OF THAT.
THERE IS A, THESE HISTORIC SURVEYS THERE THAT DESCRIBES THE ONE STORY THREE BAY HIP ROOF, WOOD PORCH.
WITH SQUARE WOOD POSTS WITH CAPS COLLARS AND BASES.
FLANKED BY SIMPLE CURVED BRACKETS WITH A BALLER OF PANELS OF SAWN HOPING OPEN SAW AN OPEN WORK KEPT BY WOODEN RAIL.
BUT, BUT ALSO, I MEAN, IN THE, IN THE ORIGINAL SURVEY, IT SAYS SOMETHING LIKE, AND WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR STILL HAD, OR, OR, UM, WHAT ARE THEY CALLING THESE COURSE? THAT'S A TERM.
UH, IS PAGE 45 OF YOUR PACKET.
IT SAYS, FINALLY THE FRONT PORCH HAS BEEN REMOVED.
IT WAS A ONE STORY THREE BAY HIP ROOF, WOOD PORCH PROBABLY BUILT CIRCA.
I I USED TO CREDIT I WAS NO BETTER
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FRONT PORCH.
UM, UH, MY OPINION IS THAT THE, I'M OKAY.
COMPROMISING THE SIX OVER SIX WOOD WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND MEETING THE VINYL WINDOWS ON THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
I BELIEVE THE SIX OVER SIX WINDOWS ON THE FRONT SHOULD BE WOOD OR ROOM AND BED WOOD.
THAT IF THEY HAVE INSULATED GLAZING, THAT THE MOUNTAIN SHOULD BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS.
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UH, I AM ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF RE RECONSTRUCTING THE PORCH.UM, I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE, UH, RECONSTRUCTED OF WOOD AS WELL AS THE RAILINGS.
WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE FLOOR OF THE PORCH.
UM, THAT THE HIP, UH, ROOF OVER THE PORCH SHOULD BE, UM, STANDING SCENE METAL.
UM, WHERE'S THAT? DO YOU HAVE THAT LAST PICTURE? SO, YEAH, IT WOULD, THIS WOULD REQUIRE A FLOOR OF THE PORCH, WHICH THEY HADN'T ADDRESSED.
UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, THAT, YEAH.
UM, IS, MAY I STEP IN AND, AND MENTION WELL, YES.
UM, THE ORIGINAL PORCH WOULD'VE HAD A THREE A QUARTER INCH.
CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE, OH, I'M SORRY.
I'M RONALD BALLO AND I'M, I'M HERE, UH, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MR. PANG.
SO THE ORIGINAL PORCH ON IT WOULD'VE BEEN A THREE AND A HALF INCH TONGUE AND GIRL LIKE THIS GOING ACROSS, NOT LIKE A DECK GOING INTO THE, UM, I'VE DONE A LOT, SO, AND I'VE DONE SOME READING ON THE BACKGROUND ON, ON THESE PORCHES AND THE CONCRETE, EVEN ON THIS ONE, WAS, WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL.
UM, SO IT WOULD'VE HAD, WOULD YOU, IT HAS ALL WOOD FRAMING MM-HMM
AND IT WOULD'VE HAD AN OPENNESS IN THE FRONT.
UM, I WOULD ASK THAT WE WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO FRAME IT AND, AND THEN COVER IT WITH ALL TIME, UH, AND SKIRTING, UM, UH, WITH, UH, A WOMANIZED AS THE BASIC FRAMING THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE.
WHAT WAS THE WORD YOU USE? WANT THE BASIC FRAMING? WOMANIZED WOMANIZED OR PRESSURE TREATED.
FOR THE FRAMING UNDERNEATH, I WOULD ASK THAT, UM, THE, UH, THE JOISTING IS DIFFERENT ON THESE, AND I WOULD STILL COME OFF AND IT, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO RUN, UM, BRIDGING ACROSS TO GET MY NAILING OKAY.
OUT FOR THE THREE AND A HALF INCH PORCH.
MAYBE I COMPROMISE ON THE WINDOW IF I, IF I, IF I DESIGN AND MAKE THE MOUNTAINS AND WOOD AND INSTALL THEM ON THOSE WINDOWS ON THE OUTSIDE.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU GUYS COULD MPROMISE? AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, I APPRECIATE YOUR SUGGESTION THERE.
SO DO YOU HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS ABOUT WINDOWS AND PORCH? UM, I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT SUGGESTION.
DO YOU HAVE, UH, FURTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE PORCH? THE PORCH? YEAH.
UM, I, AGAIN, I WOULD BE OPEN TO WHAT HE WAS, THE WOOD FRAMING, THE FRAMING WOOD WITH WOOD DECKING.
AND, AND THE PORCH ITSELF, THE POSTS AND STUFF.
DID, DID YOU HAVE THE THOUGHT ABOUT, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER.
UM, CLOSE THE MATERIALS CLOSE TO AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO WHAT IT WAS WITHIN REASON ALL.
TELL US WHAT YOU'RE THINKING HERE NOW.
UM, I, WELL, I, UH, I, I MEAN, TO ME, WHAT I HOPED WOULD COME OUT OF THE APPEAL AND RETURN TO US WAS A BETTER PROJECT THAN, UH, THAN ANY OF US WOULD HAVE IMAGINED GOING IN.
UM, IF IT, IF IT HAD ONLY BEEN ABOUT THE WINDOW.
SO THE PORCH GETTING A, A HISTORICALLY CORRECT PORCH ON THE HOUSE AND THE DETAIL OF THE SHUTTERS AND THE DETAIL OF THE SUPERFICIAL UHS, UH, ON THE SIX OVER SIXES, TO ME IT'S A COMPLETE PACKAGE FOR AS PROJECTS GO.
AND IF THEY HAD BROUGHT IT TO US TO BEGIN WITH AND SAID, LOOK, THE CHOICE IS EITHER, UM, WE DO ALL THE WINDOWS AND WOOD, BUT THEN WE'RE OUTTA MONEY, OR WE DO THE WINDOWS AND VINYL,
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BUT THEN YOU GET SHUTTERS AND A PORCH.I WOULD'VE SAID, HEY, I, I THINK, UH, I WOULD GO FOR THE, UH, VINYL WINDOWS, WOOD MUS, UH, SANDY TEAM, METAL ROOF, UH, PINE, UH, DECKING, I'D SAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S A TOTAL PROJECT AND DIVISION.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, PROMOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
UM, MY VIEW HERE, AND I'M NOT GONNA BE MAKING MOTION, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS, UM, IS THAT THE COMPROMISE WAS FOR THE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE FRONT TO BE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WITH LUMPS ON THE OUTSIDE.
UM, THAT THE FRONT PORCH THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA, UM, BE CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD FRAMING, WOOD POSTS, WOOD DECKING, UH, STANDING SCENE, METAL ROOF.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL THIS IS ABOUT.
AND THE, THE DESIGN FOR PROPOS THE PICTURE.
ARE, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? DOES ONE OF YOU WANT TO, WELL, I MEAN, UH, TO ME THE IN, IN THE, IN THE LOOP TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AND BACK TO US, UH, ARE, UM, I, I LIKE, LIKE, IF, IF WE WOULD HAVE GONE FOR A PROJECT THAT WAS JUST FINAL ON THE BACK.
I MEAN, PART OF THE REASON WE'RE HERE IS THAT THE OLD WOOD WINDOWS WERE TAKEN OUT AND REPLACED WITH VINYL WINDOWS ALL AROUND.
AND, AND NO, WHILE WE'RE HERE IS TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
AND, AND SOME SORT OF, UM, I'VE, UM, SO TO ME, UM, IN THE ASK FOR FORGIVENESS, NOT PERMISSION, AS WE THINK ABOUT THAT, THE, THE ANSWER IS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WE'RE GONNA SEE TO IT THAT THE OWNER MAKES A BIGGER INVESTMENT IN THE, IN THE BUILDING AND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAN THEY WOULD'VE IF WE HADN'T HAVE BEEN HERE.
AND ONE WAY TO DO THAT IS TO PUT ALL THAT MONEY INTO WOODEN WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND JUST SAY, THAT WAS A GOOD DAY'S WORK.
WE, WE ELICITED A DEEPER INVESTMENT IN HISTORICAL STUFF, BUT THE WHOLE BUDGET GOT SPENT ON NEW WINDOWS ON THE FRONT.
I'D RATHER SAY THAT THE, THAT THE OWNER SUFFERED THE SUFFERED CONSEQUENCES.
AND YET WE'VE ALL WORKED ON, UM, AND, AND, AND MY THING IS THAT NEXT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, INSTEAD OF BEING SPENT ON THE WINDOWS, THE MESSAGE TO EVERYONE IS, BRING US YOUR PROJECTS.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DONE RIGHT.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IMPROVED IN ADVANCE.
AND LET'S UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU DON'T DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, IT'S, IT'S GONNA COST YOU EXTRA MONEY THAN IT MIGHT HAVE.
AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHERE I WANT TO SEE THAT EXTRA MONEY SPENT IS WELL, KIND OF UP TO US.
AND WHEN YOU LEAVE IT UP TO US, TO ME, IT'S NOT WORTH REPLACING THE VINYL WITH WOOD WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT NEW MONEY BEING INVESTED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS GOING TO GET PUT INTO OTHER HISTORIC RESTORATION, SUCH AS THE REINSTALLATION OF SHUTTERS AND THE RECREATION OF A HISTORIC PORCH.
SO I LIKE, I I, I WOULD LET 'EM KEEP THOSE WINDOWS.
THE CONSEQUENCE IS YOUR PROJECT HAS TO BE NICER THAN YOU WERE PLANNING.
YOU ARE GONNA SPEND MORE MONEY THAN YOU WOULD'VE PLANNED.
BUT I'M NOT GONNA MAKE YOU SPEND IT TAKING OUT SERVICEABLE WINDOWS AND PUTTING IN WOOD WINDOWS.
I'M GONNA MAKE YOU SPEND IT ON SHUTTERS, ON THE PORCH.
THAT'S SO, AND I'VE HEARD YOU TWICE NOW SAY YOUR OPINION.
OUR VIEWPOINT SHOULDN'T BE ABOUT MONEY.
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OUR VIEW, I WOULD SAY OURS HAS TO BE ON GETTING PROJECTS DONE, ATTRACTING, I MEAN, I'M GONNA CALL, I'M GONNA STILL CALL IT MONEY.IT HAS TO BE ABOUT MONEY BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE ABOUT PEOPLE BEING INVESTED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IF IT'S ABOUT MONEY, WHY DIDN'T ANY WORK HAPPEN THE FIRST TIME THEY CAME HERE? IF THEY DIDN'T DO IT? 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT A PORCH ON EITHER.
UM, MR. BANK CAN STILL APPEAL WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH TONIGHT.
AND, AND CAN GO TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, TOWN COUNCIL, AS A POLITICAL MATTER, WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT DO YOU TOWN COUNCIL WANT OUT OF PROJECTS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? AND, AND THEY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SECOND GUESS WHATEVER WE DO HERE.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT, UM, SAYING DIVERTING THE EXTRA MONEY THAT WE WOULD'VE SPENT ON WOOD WINDOWS INTO SHUTTERS AND PORCH IS A COMPROMISE.
ARE WE READY FOR A MO ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? UM, I THINK WE'VE ALL SAID, DID YOU FEEL HURT? I, I MEAN, I, I, YES.
IS ANYBODY AGAINST THE PORCH? I DON'T THINK WE'VE SAID ANY.
UH, I MEAN, I, I WOULD, UH, ON, IS IT, SORRY, LEMME INTERRUPT.
IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO DO TWO MOTIONS, ONE FOR THE PORCH AND ONE FOR THE WINDOWS INSTEAD OF THE WHOLE PROJECT AS ONE YOUR MOTIONS FOR THE APPLICATION.
THE APPLICATION, WHICH IS BOTH.
SOPHIA, ARE EITHER OF YOU READY TO SAY I MAKE A MOTION? UM, I, I, OKAY.
I JUST NEED TO, UM, SAY ONE LAST THING.
I THINK THAT, LIKE I STATED A COUPLE TIMES NOW, THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
AND IF THIS GETS, ALLOWING THE WINDOWS TO STAY, PUTTING THE WOODEN BUTTONS ON, GETS THOSE FRAMED AND FINISHED, YOU CAN'T PUT WOODEN BUTTONS ON A BOTTLE, I'M TELLING YOU.
NOW YOU DO REQUIRE, WELL, THEY CAN'T DO IT THEN THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THE, I COULD GO DO IT WITH SOME GLUE WITH MELS, BUT YOU CAN'T PUTS ON A EXISTING, I JUST, YOU COULD GO DO IT IN SHARPIE.
IS IT ALUMINUM CLAD? OR WE CAN DO IT ANYWAY.
MY THING IS, IS THAT I WOULD RATHER THE WINDOW STAY AND IT BE THEM BE TRIMMED OUT AND THE IT, THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE CONCERN BIGGER THAN THE WINDOWS AND THE PORCH.
YEAH, I, MY CONCERN IS MAKING SURE THAT BUILDING'S HERE 50 YEARS FROM NOW AND SO, UM, THAT'S THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT.
AND IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THINGS WEREN'T DONE THE RIGHT WAY AND I NEED TO LOOK AT IT IN A CLEAR MIND OF IF THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME I WAS SEEING THIS AND HOW I WOULD FEEL ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, I JUST FELT LIKE THEY'RE IN, WE CAN'T GET THOSE WINDOWS BACK UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, AND LET'S GET 'EM FRAMED UP.
LET'S GET THE BUILDING SECURE AND PUT THAT BOARD.
I THINK WHEN YOU SAY FRAMED UP, YOU MEAN TRIMED UP? YEAH, TRIMMED UP.
YEAH, NO, YOU'RE FINE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE LANGUAGE.
SO I THINK THAT IF THEY CAN TRIM OUT THE WINDOWS AND THE, I THINK THE LAST TIME WE ALSO ADDED THAT THE MORTAR BE, SO IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THE WINDOWS ARE SET IN MASONRY OR IN WOOD FRAMING.
SO I HAVE, I I JUST REMEMBER ALL OF THOSE NEED TO BE SET APPROPRIATELY
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WITH WOOD, EXTERIOR TRIM OR MORTAR AS APPROPRIATE TO THE HOUSE OR STRUCTURE.I SAY THAT, BUT THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE JULY CONVERSATION.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE DO THAT TO BE A CONTINUED, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT PART BE IN THERE.
WHY IS THAT THERE? YOU'RE GOOD.
I CAN I INTERRUPT WITH A QUESTION ABOUT THIS JULY, UM, MOTION IF WE HAD AN, A MOTION IN JULY, WHY ARE WE HAVING ONE NOW? A MOTION? YEAH, THERE WAS A MOTION IN JULY.
THIS IS A BRAND NEW APPLICATION.
SO THIS, OH, THIS APPLICATION NUMBER HERE IS GONE.
THEN THE ONE FROM JULY, MR. BECK MOVED AT THE REGULAR MEETING.
IS THAT THE OLD NUMBER? UH, THIS IS 4 6 6.
WHY WERE WE MAKING A MOTION ON THE OLD APPLICATION? WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, IN JULY THERE WAS, BECAUSE IT WAS THE ONLY THING WE HAD TO WORK WITH THE ONLY DISCUSSION.
IT WAS BECAUSE IT HAD EXPIRED.
AND WE, AND WE DIDN'T THINK IT APPROPRIATE TO JUST, UM, AND THIS IS HE REAPPLIED IN JULY, HIS ORIGINAL COA EXPIRED, HE REAPPLIED WITH THE SAME APPLICATION? CORRECT.
AND NOW YOU'RE, AND IN HIS APPEAL TO TOWN COUNCIL, HE MADE THIS NEW OFFER.
BUT THEY SAID WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR NEW OFFER BECAUSE IT HAS NOT BEEN HEARD BY THE BAR.
SO AND SO THEY DENIED HIS APPEAL.
HE CAME IN AND SUBMITTED A BRAND NEW EVERYTHING.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPEAR ONE, YOUR HONOR.
WE ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF, UH, TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH THE FOLLOWING, UH, ADDED CONDITIONS THAT THE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS, THE PRIORITIZED TO SECURE THE WEATHER PROOFNESS OF THE BUILDING, THAT THE PORCH BE CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD AND THE DECKING BE CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD.
UM, AND THAT IT BE ROOFED WITH A STANDING SEAM ROOF.
AND THAT, UM, THE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED SHUTTERS, UH, BE INSTALLED AS APPROVED.
WHAT'S THE MATERIAL OF THE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS YOU'RE PROPOSING? UM, I THINK IT'S WOOD.
WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR THE SILLS? THEY'RE GONNA BE BACK TO WOOD.
WELL THEY HAVE LIKE A, A WRAP AROUND THEM RIGHT NOW.
A LEAD WRAP OR WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS? IT WAS LIKE A, NOT REALLY A LEAD WRAP, IT'S JUST A METAL WRAP.
OH, IT GALVANIZED AND IT WAS PUT ON AFTERWARDS AND BECAUSE UNDERNEATH THE GALVANIZED THERE'S WOOD OR YEAH, IT'S WOOD.
THAT'S THE PART THAT I THINK THERESA IS WORRIED ABOUT.
UM, WHICH IS CURRENTLY EXPOSED OR SOME OF 'EM ARE DONE AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOT.
AND IT HAS BEEN OVER YEAR NOW.
SO, SO THE WITH THE BULL NOSE AND SILL TO BE WOOD.
THAT IS THAT WHEN CONNIE'S DONE, LET'S GET A READ BACK.
MR. CUTBACK MOVED TO ACCEPT THE RE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF TO APPROVE COA WITH THE FOLLOWING ADDED CONDITIONS.
WOOD TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS BE PRIORITIZED TO SECURE THE WEATHERPROOF OF THE WINDOWS PORCH DECKING BE WOOD ROOF STANDING SEAM ROOF ADMINIS PORCH ROOF.
I'M GONNA CHANGE THAT AS WE'RE TALKING.
ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED SHUTTERS BE INSTALLED AS APPROVED SILLS AND BULLNOSED TO BE WOOD.
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YES.YOU, YOU GOOD WITH THAT MOTION? YES.
ALL IN FAVOR? WELL WE NEED A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR? LET'S DO A VOICE VOTE IF WE COULD.
I'M SORRY, COULD WE DO A VOICE VOTE? YEP.
OKAY, THAT'S IT FOR THE AGENDA.
IS THERE ANY OTHER, UM, AGENDA ITEMS THAT NEED TO COME, YOU GUYS? I MEAN, I'VE STILL, UH, NUDING ALONG.
UH, WE NOW HAVE, UM, THAT IN THE TOWN G THIS IS, UH, ON THE QUESTION OF ADDING RIVERTON TO THE UH, UH, WHICH IS NOT THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE, THE RIVERTON NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
TO OR, OR AT LEAST THANK YOU FOR COMING.
I WORK ON YES, THAT IS BETTER.
YEAH, I MEAN, UH, THE CORNES WILL BE MORE LIKE THIS.
SO THIS CORNES IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ON THE END.
NO, THIS, THIS, THIS WAS, AND THANK YOU.
THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE, UM, THE LOWER TRIM IS TOO TALL.
DID YOU SAY ANYTHING YOU DIDN'T SAY? AND WE WILL BE PUSHED INSTALLING ALL.
I, I HAVE A DESIGN I I I'VE DONE BEFORE.
IT MEANS THERE'S A LITTLE PLANE THAT GOES ON THE OUTSIDE AND THEN STICK IN THE VINYL.
SO, SO JUST THERE'S AGAIN, NOTHING FORMAL.
UM, SHE'LL WRITE IT UP AND SEND IT TO YOU.
LONG NOT ALL I CAN DO IS REPORT THE PROGRESS THAT SEAN IN THE GIS SYSTEM OR THE TOWN HAS NOW DRAWN THE RIVERTON BOUNDARY FEDERAL BOUNDARY AND THE RIVERTON HISTORIC DISTRICT, RIVERTON HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, FEDERAL BOUNDARY AND THE TOWN'S OWN HISTORIC DISTRICT, FEDERAL BOUNDARY.
SO WE CAN AT LEAST OVERLAY IN THE GIS AND SEE OVERLAY WHAT, UH, OUR, THE, THE TOWN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT.
HISTORIC DISTRICT VERSUS THE FEDERAL BOUNDARIES.
OH, YOU MEAN THE ZONING OVERLAY? YES, THE ZONING OVERLAY VERSUS THE P BOUNDARIES.
SO THAT IS NOW, UH, READY IN THE DATA LAYER FOR US.
SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH RIVERTON? IS IT RELATED? UH, IT IS RELATED REPORTING IN THE SENSE THAT, UH, AS WE LOOK TO REVISE, UH, THE SECTION OF THE CODE AND, AND THE ZONING OVERLAY, UM, WE CAN INCLUDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE OVERLAY, UM, IN THAT DISCUSSION.
UH, AND I, I THINK WE, I'M NOT SURE WHO WAS AT THE VARIOUS MEETINGS, BUT IN RIVERTON, THE, THE, THE THING THAT SEEMS MOST PRACTICAL IS ADOPTING A, AN OVERLAY ONLY ON THE EAST SIDE OF, OF THE BRIDGES AND SHENANDOAH AVENUE.
'CAUSE ON THE DUCK, WHAT EVERYONE CALLS THE DUCK STREET SIDE, THE HISTORIC STUFF IS LONG.
THERE'S NOT MUCH HISTORIC LEFT LEFT, BUT UH, SO THERE'S MAPPING PROGRESS, UH, UM, TO PUT IN THAT PACKAGE.
AND THAT I'LL, I'LL MOVE TO ADJOURN AND I'LL SECOND, AYE.
ALRIGHT, LET ME CUT EVERYTHING.