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[Town Council on August 24, 2026.]
GONNA CALL OUT A ORDER OF THE TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING FOR MONDAY, AUGUST 24TH.AND WE'RE GONNA START WITH AMENDMENT NEXT.
WE'RE GONNA DO OUR PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE AND VICE MAYOR AL GONNA LEAD US ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC ION STANCE ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY, NEXT UP IS OUR APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
COUNCIL APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JULY 27TH, 2026, MEETING AUGUST 3RD, 2026, WORK SESSION.
ANY DISCUSSION? WE ROLL CALL COUNCILMAN
COUNCILWOMAN DE DO PAYNE? YES.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS OF ITEMS TO THE AGENDA OR ANY REVISION TO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS? OKAY, HEARING NUMBER, WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS OUR RECOGNITIONS AWARDS, REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS.
AND TONIGHT WE HAVE WHERE'S MR. BOYER? RIGHT.
MR. BOYER'S GONNA, UM, WE'RE RECOGNIZING ANDREW, RIGHT? LET YOU BE TALKING.
MADAM MAYOR MEMBERS COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UH, TONIGHT WE WANT TO, UH, RECOGNIZE ANDREW, UH, SCHILLING FROM THE, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN.
UH, ANDREW WAS HIRED IN MARCH OF 2024 AS A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, TRAINEE, SORRY.
UM, ON UH, ON DECEMBER OF FIFTH OF, UH, 2024, ANDREW RECEIVED HIS CLASS FOUR LICENSE.
TWO MONTHS LATER, HE RECEIVED HIS CLASS.
THREE, THREE AND A HALF MONTHS LATER HE RECEIVED HIS TWO.
AND THEN AS JULY OF 18 OF 2026, HE PASSED HIS CLASS ONE, UH, OPERATOR'S LICENSE.
YOU'RE AN OVERACHIEVER
AS OF FOR 2025, THE PASS RATE WAS, UH, 31% FOR A CLASS OF ONE.
UM, ALSO WANT TO MISS SOME MIS MENTION, SINCE THIS, UH, ACHIEVEMENT, ANDREW HAS ALSO BEEN PROMOTED AS THE ASSISTANT MANAGER OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN.
UH, WE HAD A PLAQUE MADE WITH HIS STATE LICENSE NUMBER FOR HIS CLASS ONE THAT WE WANT TO GIVE HIM FOR HIS ACHIEVEMENT.
I THANK HIM FOR COME AROUND AND SHAKE YOUR HAND, SO I DON'T WANNA LEAVE YOU OUT OF THAT.
AND BRENDAN'S GONNA TAKE YOUR PICTURE, SO CONGRATULATIONS.
DO YOU GUYS WANNA GET IN THIS PICTURE WITH BRENDAN? COME ON.
ARE YOU CLOSED, DAD? SO THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE FROM NOW ON OUT, YOU'RE SOMEBODY'S DAD.
SO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ARE OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA, UM, WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TONIGHT.
SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND START OFF WITH THE RULES FOR PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN WE WILL START ON THE FIRST ONE.
SO WE NOW COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNSEL TO LEARN OF INFORMATION OF WHICH THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY AWARE.
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PLEASE WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, THEN COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND INDICATE IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.IF THE COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, YOU MAY ACCEPT THIS STATE.
WILL YOU AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER? THERE IS A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR SPEAKERS.
AFTER THREE MINUTES, THE MICROPHONE WILL CUT OFF, MOSTLY AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER.
WON'T CUT OFF HERE, BUT PLEASE REMEMBER, YOU'RE TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNSEL AND TO REFRAIN FROM WORDS OR STATEMENTS WHICH ARE DEFAMATORY TO SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS OR DISPLAY OTHER DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT, INCLUDING OBSCENITY AND VULGARITY GROUPS OR INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE, CREATING AN ATMOSPHERE DETRIMENTAL TO OR DISTURBING THE ORDERLY CONDUCT OF MEANING WILL BE ASKED TO REFRAIN FROM SUCH CONDUCT ONCE ANY ADDITIONAL DISTURBANCE AFTER THE WARNING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED IN THE, I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE, BUT TO ASK THE CHIEF, UH, TO REMOVE THE INDIVIDUAL GROUP OR CLEAR THE ROOM SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF THE TOWN.
SO OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THE ROTARY CLUB FOR THE ROTARY CLUB MURAL AT 37 WATERS STREET.
MS. HAM, CAN YOU READ THE SUMMARY? THE APPLICATION FOR REVIEW IS A REQUEST FOR AN ARTISTIC MURAL EXCEEDING 60 SQUARE FEET IN THE SIZE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, FACING THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH COMMERCE AVENUE AND MANASSAS STREET, LOCATED AT 37 WATER STREET IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP 20 A EIGHT DASH SIX DASH C3, THE PROPERTY ZONE C TWO, AND THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO NORMALLY BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK FIRST BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MR. HERBECK, DID YOU WANNA COME UP? AND I, I KNOW EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL GOT INFORMATION FROM YOU, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR IT AS WELL.
UH, AND MAYOR C**K, MEMBERS OF THE TOWN COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR MY FELLOW ARIAN TO COME OUT SUPPORT THIS.
AND I ACTUALLY, I WANT TO THROW A SPECIAL, UH, THANK YOU AND SHOUT TO OUR PRESIDENT AND YOUR EMPLOYEE, LIZZIE LEWIS BECAUSE, UM, I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE IF LIZZIE HADN'T REMINDED US THAT WE NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING ALL THIS APPROVED
WE WOULD'VE BEEN, WE WOULD'VE BEEN THAT SITUATION.
BUT I, I, FOLLOWING THE RULES,
TO RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT 2 6 0 0 2 7 3 4 CENTENNIAL MURAL AT 37 WATER STREET.
SO FOR 100 YEARS, THE ROTARY CLUB OF FRONT ROYAL HAS WORKED TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.
WE WANTED TO MARK THIS ANNIVERSARY NOT SIMPLY BY LOOKING BACK, BUT BY GIVING SOMETHING LASTING TO THE TOWN THAT HAS SUPPORTED OUR CLUB FOR A CENTURY.
I THINK YOU ALL KNOW MOST OF WHAT WE DO.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT AND CONGRATULATIONS THAT YOU ALL PASSED EARLIER IN THE YEAR, CELEBRATING THAT LISTING.
SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE'VE HAD AS A CLUB WITH, UH, UH, WITH THE TOWN.
THIS MURAL WILL TRANSFORM A HIGHLY VISIBLE WALL AT THE INTERSECTION OF WATER AND COMMERCE INTO A COLORFUL PIECE OF PUBLIC ART.
IT WAS DESIGNED AND PAINTED BY A LOCAL ARTIST AND WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL ART TEACHER, VERE WARWICK.
ITS IMAGES REPRESENT PEACE EDUCATION, CLEAN WATER, HEALTH ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY PROTECTS THE ENVIRONMENT AND ART CLUBS OR INTERNATIONALS EFFORTS TO ERADICATE POLIO AROUND THE WORLD.
AND ALTHOUGH IT TELLS ROTARY'S STORY, THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENT.
IT IS A CELEBRATION OF SERVICE AND OF THE BELIEF THAT PEOPLE WORKING TOGETHER CAN CREATE HOPE AND LASTING CHANGE.
THE PROJECT IS PRIVATELY FUNDED BY OUR CLUB WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE ROTARY, A GRANT FROM THE ROTARY FOUNDATION.
AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY FUNDS.
THE MURAL IS BEING INSTALLED ON A REMOVABLE WOOD PANELS, SO IT CAN BE REPAIRED IF NECESSARY, UPDATED, REFRESHED, OR REMOVED PERMANENTLY.
IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH US OR THE HOST BUILDING WITH BLUE BRIDGE OPPORTUNITIES WORK WITH ANYONE ELSE, THE MURAL CAN BECOME ANOTHER ATTRACTION.
IN FRONT ROW IS GROWING COLLECTION OF PUBLIC ART AND WE PLAN TO ADD A QR CODE, UM, NEXT TO IT LIKE THE OTHER MURALS IN TOWN, EXPLAINING TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE VISITORS EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AND WHY WE HAVE, UH, CHOSEN THAT SYMBOLISM AND ITS IMAGERY AND TO WORK WITH TOUR DOWN AND TOURISM TO PROMOTE IT AS A PART OF A FUTURE OR AS IT A MURAL TRAIL THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
TOWN STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH NO CONDITIONS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ALSO RECORD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
SO ON BEHALF OF THE FRONT ROYAL, UH, CLUB, I RESPECTFULLY ASK COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE PERMIT AND ALLOW US TO GIVE THE CENTENNIAL GIFT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
I KNOW MOST OF YOU, BUT, UM, I AM A PAST PRESIDENT OF OUR CLUB.
I'M A PAST DISTRICT GOVERNOR OF OUR DISTRICT, AND I AM ALSO CURRENTLY SERVING AS THE CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION CHAIRMAN FOR OUR CLUB.
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YEAR, YEAR LONG, A HUNDRED YEAR CELEBRATION, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN TO SEE THIS, UH, PUBLIC ART DISPLAY.I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN UP TO ANYBODY ELSE, ANYBODY IF YOU'D LIKE.
SO AT THIS TIME, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, AND THEN WE, AND THEN USUALLY WHAT WE DO IS IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HERBECK? THE ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, UM, AND 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN CONCERN SOMETIMES ABOUT, UM, WHETHER THE MURAL, UM, THAT'S APPROVED IS GONNA LOOK LIKE THE MURAL THAT'S DISPLAYED.
AND WE HAVE NOT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO JUMPSTART OR MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ON THE, UH, TOWN COUNCIL OR THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS, UH, APPROVAL, FUTURE APPROVAL, UM, OUR PAST APPROVAL NOW.
UM, BUT GWEN IS A TEACHER AND AS WE KNOW, UM, YOUR TEACHERS ARE BACK IN SESSION.
SO SHE TOOK THE ADVANTAGE OF HER THE SUMMER, UM, BECAUSE OF THE PANELS TO START THAT, UH, THAT PROCESS.
SO IN THE PACKET THAT I SENT YOU, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE FORMAL PACKET FROM THE COUNCIL, FROM THE TOWN OFFICE, I DID TAKE SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHE HAD, UH, OF WHAT SHE'S ALREADY PAINTED, AND I DID SPLICE 'EM TOGETHER SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF EXACTLY WHAT IT'S SHAPING UP TO BE.
SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO IMAGINE WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT IT IS LOOKING LIKE.
NOW, I WOULD ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT OF GRACE, HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT'S AN ARTIST AND YOU KNOW, ARTISTS SOMETIMES WORK OUTSIDE THE LINES AND IF SOMETHING INSPIRES HER, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY IN THE, UH, IN THE IMAGE UP IN THE TOP.
IT MAY NOT LOOK EXACTLY THE LIKE IT, BUT THE NICE THING ABOUT NOT PUTTING ON CONCRETE BLOCKS IS THAT IT'S GONNA BE CLEAN AND CRISP.
UM, WE DID PUT IT ON, IT'S ON WOOD, IT CAN BE TREATED WOOD, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE UP THERE ROTTING.
AND AGAIN, IF IT DOES, WE CAN PULL IT BACK DOWN AND AND REPLACE IT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? NO, SIR.
I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MS. ONG, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, WE HAVE ONE.
UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR RO, I'M THE REST OF THE, UH, TOWN COUNCIL.
I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS CONSIDERING APPROVING THE MURAL THAT IS GOING TO GO ON.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BLUE RIDGE OPPORTUNITIES.
I'M ALSO A TOWN RESIDENT AT, UH, 4 31 WASHINGTON AVENUE.
SO I SIT DAILY AT THE INTERSECTION OF MANASSAS STREET, WHICH IS A LITTLE BLOCK RIGHT THERE OF MANASSAS STREET AND WATER STREET ON MY WAY TO WORK EVERY DAY AND LOOK AT, YEAH, WE LOVE OUR BUILDING.
IT WAS BUILT AT 1954 AND I'M SORRY, YOU COULD ONLY DO THIS SO MUCH WITH A CENTER BLOCK LAPTOP GROUP.
SO WE ARE SUPER EXCITED TO BE, UM, BASICALLY GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HOST AND HOLD THIS, THIS BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF WORK FOR THE ROTARY, UM, WHICH WILL BE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FRIENDS THAT WE SERVE.
YOU KNOW, WE SERVE ADULTS WITH DISABILITIES AND I, WE HAVE A GREAT TIME AND WE'RE A VERY POSITIVE GROUP AND WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF FUN.
AND I, I'M EXCITED FOR OUR BUILDING TO BE ABLE TO REFLECT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A NONPROFIT, YOU KIND OF DON'T HAVE A DEEP BUDGET TO DO THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WALL MURALS AND DOESN'T KIND OF SEEM LIKE A VERY GOOD USE OF, YOU KNOW, DONOR FUNDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO PAINT MURALS ON YOUR WALL.
BUT WE'VE BEEN WANTING A MURAL PRETTY MUCH SINCE I'VE STARTED AT BLUE RIDGE OPPORTUNITIES.
SO WE ARE EXCITED TO PARTNER WITH THE ROTARY.
WE'VE BEEN FRIENDS WITH THE RIGHT FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN AT BLUE RIDGE OPPORTUNITIES, AND THAT'S BEEN 20 YEARS.
SO I KNOW THAT WE'VE ALWAYS WORKED VERY WELL TOGETHER AND I DON'T FORESEE ANY ISSUES.
THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU MA'AM.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL.
I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE ROT SLOT MURAL EXCEEDING 60 SQUARE FEET TO BE LOCATED AT THE GOING NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AT 37 WATER STREET, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 20 A, B SIX C3, AND C TWO DOWNTOWN FISHER PRISON DISTRICT.
ONE OF THESE TWO I WAS EXCITED.
UM, SO THERE'S A MOTION A SECOND, AND AT THIS TIME, UM, IT'S DISCUSSION.
UH, COUNCILMAN INGRAM SINCE YOU MADE THE MOTION IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION YOU WANTED TO BRING UP FIRST? NO, I'M GOOD.
ASK BEFORE I'D LIKE TO SAY, UH, I THINK IT'S WELL DONE.
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APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR MR. BECK, UH, WANTING TO, UM, BASICALLY DONATING FUNDS FOR THIS ALSO.I'VE DONE A LITTLE, SOME, SOME STUDIES ON THIS AND THEY FIND THAT URIS ON, ON THE HEAVILY TRAVEL TRAFFIC ROUTES TEND TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.
UH, IT MEETS EVERYTHING THAT ROTARY IS, IN MY OPINION.
IT BRINGS PROFESSIONAL LEADERS TOGETHER, IT BRINGS BUSINESSES TOGETHER, UH, TO MEET COMMUNITY SERVICES, UH, ETHICAL BUSINESS STANDARDS AND, UM, GLOBAL HUMANITARIANISM.
AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THAT IN YOUR RENDITION, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY WELL, THANK YOU.
I WAS, UM, I TALKED TO BRETT SEVERAL TIMES, UM, AND I THINK THAT I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE GOT TO SEE WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE SOMETIMES WHAT, UM, WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN BEFORE IN OUR PACKETS ISN'T THE WAY IT TURNS OUT.
AND SO THIS IS LIKE, I FEEL MORE CONFIDENT KNOWING THAT, THAT IT'S ALREADY IN THE WORKS.
ALSO, I DON'T THINK YOU MENTIONED IT, I KNOW IT'S IN OUR PACKET AND THIS IS MORE FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT THERE IS SOME TREES THERE, UM, AND I KNOW TWO OF THEM BELONG WITH THE PROPERTY AND ONE IS IN THE TOWN RIGHT AWAY.
BUT THAT YOU WERE GONNA WORK WITH THE TOWN, THE PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT THAT.
AND ALSO, I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MAYBE IN THE FUTURE THEY MAY DO SOME KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GARDENING LANDSCAPE.
THE GARDENING LANDSCAPE THAT, THAT THE, UM, CLIENTS, IF LEADERS OPPORTUNITIES COULD BE A PART OF WHICH GIVES THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, OTHER THINGS TO WORK ON.
SO I, I I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY NEAT.
THE, THE NICE, I MEAN, I, NOT TO INPUT, BUT THAT THE NORTH FACING SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH MEANS IT'S SHADED MOST OF THE MOST OF THE DAY, WHICH WILL GIVE A NICE PLACE.
I'M ENVISIONING LIKE A BENCH AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THERE TOO.
SO I'M KIND OF HOPING IT'LL WORK RIGHT IN THAT SPACE.
AND NOT THAT RADER HAS TO PROVIDE THAT, BUT MAYBE THERE WILL BE OTHER DONATIONS TO HELP YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT AS WELL.
SO, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, MAYOR.
UM, JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CLUB AND MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE.
A HUNDRED YEARS IS NOTHING TO SNEEZE ABOUT.
UH, ROTARY'S HAD A HUGE EFFECT AND AN IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY FOR ALL A HUNDRED YEARS.
UH, SO MANY THINGS THAT WE TAKE FOR GRANTED TODAY, UH, WAS STARTED, UH, OR SPONSORED BY THIS ROTARY CLUB AND THIS ROTARY CLUB INCLUDED, UM, THE GROWTH OF IT BY, UM, SPONSORING TWO OF THE CLUBS IN THE AREA.
AND THE GOOD WORK IT'S DONE LOCALLY AND, AND VERY IMPORTANTLY INTERNATIONALLY DOES NOT GO UNNOTICED TO THE AVERAGE PERSON.
THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS CLUB, THIS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS DO, BUT, UM, PEOPLE IN THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES HAVE WATER THAT HAVE SANITATION, UM, THEY HAVE SCHOOLS.
THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT YOU CAN CREDIT ROTARY INTERNATIONAL FOR.
AND, UM, I'M JUST, UH, PLEASED AND HONORED TO HAVE ONE TIME BEEN PART OF THIS CLUB AND NOW PART OF ANOTHER CLUB.
BUT AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK GWEN IS A FANTASTIC ARTIST.
MY CHILDREN HAVE VERY MUCH ENJOYED BEING TAUGHT BY HER, SO I WAS COMPARING THE RENDITION THAT'S ALREADY IN THE WORKS TO WHAT WE HAVE, AND I THINK IT ACTUALLY LOOKS BETTER THAN WHAT'S IN OUR AGENDA PACKET.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S COOLER OR WARMER.
I'M NOT AN ARTIST OR A ART TEACHER.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT AND TAKING TIME OUTTA YOUR DAY TO DO THIS.
I'VE BEEN A BIG PROPONENT OF MURALS AND, UM, ANYTHING THAT BEAUTIFIES FRONT ROYAL, UM, OR ADDS TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO, UM, MAYBE ONE DAY WE'LL GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR PERMISSION ON YOUR OWN BUILDING.
BUT UNTIL THEN, THANK YOU FOR ALL COMING AND I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE END.
ALRIGHT, SO OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR 5 0 8 KENDRICK LANE JUNKYARD.
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WANNA READ THE SUMMARY, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY EAGLE SPINE INDUSTRIAL PARK, LLC, THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ALLOW AN AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARD JUNKYARD AT 5 0 8 KENDRICK LANE, IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP NUMBER TWO OH A ONE DASH THREE DASH FOUR.THE PROPERTY IS IN I TWO INDUSTRIAL EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT.
I IS THE APPLICANT HERE? NO, BUT I NEED TO DO AN UPDATE REAL QUICK.
CHAIR, I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE COUNSEL TO HEAR FROM STAFF.
I MEAN, NORMALLY WE WOULD DO THE APPLICANT AND THEN WE WOULD ASK STAFF QUESTIONS.
SO WE'LL JUST START WITH STAFF SINCE THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE.
SEE IT ON THAT TOO, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO AT THE WORK SESSION, BASICALLY WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR AN AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARD OR A JUNKYARD IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
UM, UH, TOWN COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED THAT ACES REVIEW THE APPLICATION IN ADDITION TO STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, ACES TODAY SENT AN EMAIL JUST WITH SOME COMMENTS, BASICALLY THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE STORMWATER AND DEQ INSPECTIONS, THAT IT WAS COMPLIANT WITH 1 75 53 DARK SKY LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, THAT THERE WAS ADEQUATE SCREEN SCREENING AND BUFFERING.
UM, AND THEY WERE ASKING ABOUT VEGETATION REMOVAL.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SITE, UM, THERE WOULD BE MINIMAL VEGETATION REMOVAL.
IT'S, THAT'S ALREADY OCCURRED.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN IN PLACE WITH DEQ THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
UM, AND THE DMV WOULD BE THE ONE THAT WOULD OVERSEE THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF THIS.
UM, BUT THE OVERALL GIST FROM UM, ACES IS THAT THEY WOULD BE, THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, SO, UH, YOU WERE TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS, YOU WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE RELATED TO THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THEY WOULD MITIGATE THINGS LIKE THE POLLUTION AND RUNOFF AND THAT YOU WOULD WANT ADEQUATE BUFFERING.
DO, DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? BEFORE WE'RE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE, UH, WAS THERE ANY FEEDBACK REGARDING THE, UH, THE EPA WITH REGARD TO THE CLEAN WATER ACT? NOT THE CLEAN WATER ACT? SO THERE WERE COVENANTS ON A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY, BUT NOT THIS PORTION.
UH, DID THEY WEIGH IN ON, INITIALLY THEY HAD WEIGHED IN, BUT ONCE THEY, ONCE THE APPLICANT AMENDED THEIR INITIAL APPLICATION THAT MOVED IT OUT OF THE AREA WHERE THEY HAD CONTROL, THEY DECLINED FURTHER.
IS ANYTHING GOING ON ON THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY? UM, YOU HAVE THAT OLD INDUSTRIAL PARK OUT THERE.
UH, YOU'VE GOT A WOODWORKING SHOP JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED SITE AND YOU'VE GOT, UM, BASICALLY TOW YARDS THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE.
SO A COUPLE OF THE TOWING CONTRACTORS IN TOWN JUST BRING THE VEHICLES THERE.
UM, AND THOSE ARE BY RIGHT USES.
SO THERE IS SEVERAL TENANTS ALREADY, BUT ON THE SITE SPECIFIC, IS THERE ANY ACTIVITY RIGHT NOW? THERE'S NOTHING.
A QUESTION WAS, ASIDE FROM ACE'S FEEDBACK, UM, THAT LAUREN INFORMED US OF, WAS THERE ANYTHING NEW FROM THE LAST WORK SESSION? OKAY.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL? CORRECT.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
SORRY, I DIDN'T SAY THE WORDS.
I DON'T, I I THINK I GOT IN BEFORE THE ANALOGY.
IT WAS A STRIKE, BUT I WOULD SAY I DID NOT COMPLETE THE SWING.
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I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL THEM EVER PROVIDING, UH, THEIR PROCESSES THAT THEY WERE, THE RULES AND PROCESSES THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT IN PLAY WITH REGARD TO THE VEHICLES THAT, SO THE APPLICATION, IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT? THAT'S A TRUE STATEMENT.SO THE APPLICATION YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET IS IN THE A OKAY, THANK YOU.
THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OTHER THAN THE SWAR WATER.
UM, THE SWEAT PLAN THAT DEQ APPROVED DESPITE THAT WAS MOSTLY RELATED TO THE REMOVAL OF VEGETATION THAT HAPPENED AGO.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE DISMANTLING CARS.
IT'S GOING TO BE AN AUTOMOBILE STORE.
SO MANTLE STORE KEEP THERE, JUST, THEY'RE NOT WORKING VEHICLES, THEY'RE NOT OPERATIVE.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOTHING IN PLACE FOR US TO RELIEVE TO, UH, HELP MITIGATE YOU ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AS FAR AS, NO, NOT RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE NOTHING'S HAPPENING IN THIS MOMENT.
MY CONCERN IS, I HAD CALLS TODAY THAT THERE, THEY STARTED TO DO SOME WORK THERE AND THEY'RE TURNING CARS OVER AND LETTING THE FLUIDS RUN ALONG THE GROUND.
UM, YOU KNOW, EDA JUST FINISHED CLEANING EVERYTHING UP AND IF WE GET A STORM THAT WATER RUNS SOUTH ACROSS THE ROAD DOWN INTO A SMALL CREEK AND THAT CREEK LEADS TO THE RIVER.
SO IF THAT STUFF HAD, WE'RE GONNA PULL THE RIVER AGAIN, YOU SAY AGAIN? WE DID NOT IN GENERAL, THE RIVER'S GONNA BE SALUTED AGAIN.
IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY, SO I WAS GONNA SAY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO ASK STAFF.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND PROBABLY OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE CAN DO THE DISCUSSION PART.
I, SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO.
OTHER THAN THE APPLICATION AND THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
CORRECT? MY QUESTION IS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY OTHER COMMUNICATION FROM THE APPLICANT TO YOU AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL WITH LIKE, WITH THAT DISCUSSION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION OUTSIDE OF ASKING WHEN THE ACES FOLKS MEETING? NO.
SO AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? OKAY.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL.
MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THE TENANT COUNCIL DENY SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED BY EQUALS HIGH INDUSTRIAL PARK LLC TO ALLOW AN AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARD JUNKYARD AT 5 0 8 KENDRICK LANE, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP NUMBER 20 A ONE DASH THREE DASH FOUR IN THE I TWO INDUSTRIAL EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT AS PRESENTED.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR PLANNING COMMISSION AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, I MEAN, THERE'S OFTEN THERE, THERE'S VERY RARELY UNANIMOUS VOTE ON OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, IT UNANIM AT LEAST I DON'T RECALL SEEING A WHOLE LOT IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, FOLKS, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BUT I, I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT TO EVERYONE, SO, RIGHT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL? OKAY.
SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO DENY.
YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILMAN REPPORT? YES.
I SHOULD PASS THIS FOR THE DENIAL.
UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS IS NEXT.
BEFORE I READ ALL THE RULES, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP? SPEAK FOR THAT PART? YES, WE HAVE ONE.
THAT NOW COMES TO THE PUBLIC COMMON PORTION.
THE AGENDA IS THE DUTY OF THE MAYOR OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL WITH ASSISTANCE FROM THE FRONT HALL POLICE DEPARTMENT AS NECESSARY TO CONDUCT THIS MEETING IN AN ORDERLY MANNER AND TO LIMIT DISCUSSION TO TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE ISSUES BEFORE THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.
PERSONS ADDRESSING, THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL ARE ADVISED TO LIMIT THEIR REMARKS IS RELEVANT TO THE TOWN OF FLINT ROYAL.
NO PERSONS IN ATTENDANCE SHALL BE ALLOWED TO VOICE REMARKS EXCEPT AS RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR OR THE CLERK OF COUNCIL.
NO PERSON SHALL BRING INTO THE ROOM IN THE ASSIGNED BANNER OR OTHER SUCH ITEMS WHICH WOULD INTERFERE WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FROM SCENE HEARING ARE OTHERWISE
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PARTICIPATING IN THE MEETING UPON RECOGNITION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CLERK COUNCIL, THE SPEAKER SHALL STATE THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND INDICATE IF THEIS OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL DIRECT THEIR COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR COUNCIL.COMBINE THEIR COMMENTS TO ISSUES OF PUBLIC CONCERN RELATING TO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL SHALL NOT ADDRESS THE SUBJECT MATTER OF A PUBLIC HEARING BEING HELD DURING THE SAME MEETING.
REFRAIN FROM WORDS OR STATEMENTS WHICH ARE DEFAMATORY TO SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS OR DISPLAY OTHER DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT.
REFRAIN FROM OBSCENITY AND VULGARITY.
STAY WITHIN THE ALLOTTED THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
AFTER THAT TIME IS EXPIRED, UH, YOU'LL YES.
SO, UM, WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? JIM JUSTICE.
I BELIEVE MR. JUSTICE GAVE THE CLERK SOME INFORMATION, UM, THAT HE WANTED, UH, EACH COUNSEL TO HAVE.
AND SO SHE'S GONNA GO AHEAD AND PASS THAT OUT.
IF YOU JUST GIVE US A SECOND HERE.
SHE, SHE HAS OUT AT THE TIMER FOR YOU.
SO, UH, ONE OF MY SLIDES DIDN'T GET PRINTED.
I, IF I CAN HAND THAT TO YOU SURE.
JUST KIND OF A WHERE WE'RE TODAY.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CORO AND TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU TONIGHT.
UH, FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE BEEN, UH, HERE IN TOWN EIGHT YEARS.
I BOUGHT THE BUILDING AT 12 CHESTER STREET EIGHT YEARS AGO, AND I LIVED THERE IN THE UPSTAIRS APARTMENT AND I REZONED IT AND PUT A BREWERY AND A WINERY IN THE BUILDING.
AND WE'VE OPERATED NOW THREE YEARS WITHOUT ONE COMPLAINT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I'M PROUD TO SAY, AND I'LL, UH, I WANT TO BRAG ON IT FOR JUST A SECOND IN MY THREE MINUTES.
IT'S THE THIRD OLDEST STANDING BUILDING IN FRONT ROYAL, 220 YEARS OLD.
UM, IT, UH, CURRENTLY IS THE HOME OF THE CHESTER STREET TAVERN, WHICH WE'VE OPERATED FOR THREE YEARS.
192 LIVE MUSIC PERFORMANCES A YEAR, THREE YEARS IN A ROW.
SO, UM, REALLY MET A GREAT COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE THERE.
AND, UH, I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE OF AN ORDINANCE ISSUE THAT HAS COME UP THAT, UH, HAS TO DO WITH FENCING FROM NEIGHBORS.
AND, UH, MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT A, A NEIGHBOR HAS BUILT A FENCE.
UH, THE FENCE WAS A BUY RIGHT USE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
IT IS SIX FEET FROM MY FRONT DOOR.
UH, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY PRACTICAL REASON FOR IT, AND I WON'T SPECULATE ON WHY IT HAS BEEN BUILT, UH, IN THIS FORM.
UM, BUT IT, UH, IT WAS APPROVED, IT'S BEEN BUILT.
UH, NOW THERE'S A DISPUTE ON WHETHER IT WAS BUILT OVER THE BOUNDARY OR NOT.
AND I'M TOLD NOW THAT IT'S MY, IT'S GONNA BE OF MY EXPENSE TO PROVE THAT THE FENCE HAS BEEN BUILT ACROSS THE BOUNDARY.
THAT THE PERMITS BEEN ISSUED BY TOWN, THE GUIDANCE WAS GIVEN TO THE PERSON THAT GOT THE PERMIT ON HOW TO DO IT, AND NOW IT WASN'T DONE RIGHT.
AND IT'S UP TO ME TO TAKE HIM TO A CIVIL COURT AND PAY A LAWYER TO ARGUE THIS FACT.
WHEN THE PLAT MAPS THAT ARE AT THE COURTHOUSE, UH, I THINK CLEARLY SHOW THAT THE FENCE WAS BUILT OVER THE BOUNDARY, A FEW INCHES OVER THE BOUNDARY ISN'T MY ISSUE AT THIS POINT.
AND IN THIS PACKET I GAVE YOU, WERE A FEW PICTURES OF WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THESE FENCES DOWNTOWN, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE COMMERCIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IF THIS IS LEFT UNCHECKED, THE LAST PICTURES ARE THE RESULT OF WHAT DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT COULD LOOK LIKE, ENCASED IN, IN, UH, IN WOOD.
SO, UH, MY REQUEST HERE IS TO RE-LOOK AT THIS ORDINANCE, PLEASE AND, UH, AND CONSIDER WHETHER THE, THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING OUTTA LINE THERE.
IT'S BEING USED FOR THE PURPOSES THAT I DON'T THINK IT WAS INTENDED FOR, AND THAT IS TO GO PROPERTY OWNER AGAINST PROPERTY OWNER.
AND IN MY CASE, THAT APPEARS TO BE THE CASE.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, YOUR HEARING ME OUT ON THIS ISSUE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TOO.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER PO PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS? OKAY, HEARING NONE.
WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE REPORT OF THE TOWN MANAGER.
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UH, THANK YOU COUNSEL.JUST A QUICK HEADS UP AS WE HEAD INTO SEPTEMBER, UM, THAT TOWN HALL BE CLOSED ON LABOR DAY SEPTEMBER 7TH, AND THAT THE COUNCIL MEETING WILL BE THE FOLLOWING DAY ON A TUESDAY HERE AT TOWN HALL ON SEPTEMBER THE EIGHTH.
UM, I WAS GLAD TO HAVE ANDREW HERE BE RECOGNIZED FOR OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THIS EVENING.
I KNOW HE'S BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD.
UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, WE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE SUMMER WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW BAD STORMS COME THROUGH THROUGH WATER, UM, SEWER ELECTRIC, AND JUST WANTED TO COMMEND THOSE STAFF THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, UH, WITH THOSE STORMS AND THINKING THE PUBLIC WHO ALSO ASSISTED SOME OF THAT.
SO AT THIS TIME THERE'S THE, THE REPORT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WHO, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK OR HAS A REPORT? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
I ATTENDED THE GOOD LINE, UH, RUBY CUTTING THERE, RUBY CUTTING
THEY HAD A LOT OF TRAILERS, FOOD VENDORS SET UP IN THE PARKING LOT AND IT, IT REALLY WORKED OUT WELL FOR THEM.
UM, THIS THURSDAY AND FRIDAY I'LL BE AT, UH, RANDOLPH MACON ACADEMY.
I THINK I'D EVER BE IN THE CLASSROOM I COULD AGAINST.
UM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING SOME, I GUESS IT'S THREAT ASSESSMENT CHIEF.
UH, THEY'VE GOT FOUR SESSIONS AND I'VE BEEN INVITED TO COME UP TO THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE A REPORT? WHAT TIME IS THAT, WAYNE? IT'S IN THE, IT'S, THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT ALL THE DETAILS SAW.
I THINK THE FIRST ONE I'LL LOOK AT 10 TO 10 TO 12, AND THEN ONE TO THREE ON THURSDAY.
AND ON FRIDAY IT STARTS, I THINK IT'S EIGHT O'CLOCK TO TO 10 O'CLOCK.
ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS? MAD MAYOR.
UM, JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE CARS CHANGING LIVES, UH, THIS WEEK, UH, THIS PAST WEEK GAVE AWAY CAR NUMBER 89, CAR NUMBER 90.
UH, WELL ON THE WAY TO HITTING A GOAL OF, UH, HITTING A HUNDRED CARS GIVEN AWAY BY, UH, YEARS IN, UH, THEY ARE GONNA HAVE A FUNDRAISER ON THE 24TH OF SEPTEMBER, A MURDER MYSTERY DINNER AT CHAND VALLEY COUNTRY CLUB.
AND THE MONEY RAISE AND THEN OF COURSE GOES INTO PROVIDING THE CARS TO INDIVIDUALS WHO DON'T HAVE IT.
ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS? I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO REPORT.
IT WAS BACK TO SCHOOL MONTH FOR US.
AND, UM, THAT'S EVERYTHING RIGHT THERE.
UH, SO ON AUGUST 2ND, I ATTENDED THE, UH, THE RON GA GAY
AND, UM, THEIR THEME WAS, UH, OUR PATH FORWARD IN CELEBRATING STUDENT GROWTH IN THE YES LEADERSHIP PROGRAM, HONORING LOCAL COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
UM, THE, UH, FORMER LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF WINSTON EARL SEARS WAS ILL, BUT HER HUSBAND SHOWED UP AND DELIVERED THE KEYNOTE ADDRESS ON RESILIENCE AND SERVICE.
UM, THEY HONORED A COUPLE OF LOCALS, UM, WELL, MORE THAN A COUPLE, BUT I'LL JUST MENTION ONE OR TWO.
UM, I BELIEVE, UH, SERGEANT RAMEY, UM, THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT WAS HONORED AS WELL AS, UM, OUR OWN PHILIP BAR, UH, FOR THEIR SERVICE.
UM, THE, THIS WAS A FUNDRAISER.
THE ANNUAL FUNDRAISER DIRECTLY SUPPORTS THE MENTORSHIP INITIATIVE INITIATIVES OR STUDENT LEADERSHIP EXPERIENCES AND YEAR ROUND YOUTH PROGRAMMING THE REGION.
AND THIS IS ALL HAPPENING IN, IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD FRONT ROYAL, UM, AT THE RAYMOND EAST ST.
SO, UM, THEY'RE DOING A GOOD SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, YOU SHOULD TAKE, UH, ADVANTAGE OF IT.
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SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT IF THEY SAY TOO.UM, ALSO, UH, I WAS ABOUT A MONTH LATE, BUT, UH, JULY 15TH, UM, I ATTENDED REMOTELY THE, UH, DML FINANCE POLICY COMMITTEE.
UH, I WAS, IT WAS BETWEEN 9:30 AM AND NOON, AND I WAS WORKING ON MY OTHER JOB AND WORKING ON THIS JOB AT THE SAME TIME, SO I CAN MULTITASK MATH.
UM, UH, SOME OF THE AREAS OF, UH, THAT THEY ADDRESSED WAS ACCESS AND AFFORDABILITY OF LOCAL AUDITS.
UH, THEY POINTED OUT CHALLENGES FOR SMALL TOWNS THAT COST FOR AUDIT SERVICES, UH, PROFESSIONAL PROFESSIONALS ARE INCREASING, UM, THAT, UH, WE HAVE LIMITED SELECTION OF CPA FIRMS. AND THAT THE TIMELY CON TIMELINESS OF ISSUING AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE A CONCERN.
AND I THINK WE, UH, KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
UH, AS I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AGO, UM, WE, UH, WE HAD A DELAY, IF I RECALL.
UM, BUT IT WAS ALL, IT ALL CAME OUT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE VIRGINIA ALCOHOL SAFETY ACTION PROGRAM, UH, VA VSAT.
THE VML HAS CONCERNS ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY 'CAUSE THEY RELY ON, UH, CLIENT FEES TO OPERATE, UH, SOME LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
SOME LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DO DONATE TO THE FUNDS, BUT MOSTLY IT'S RELIED ON DONATIONS.
UH, UPCOMING CLIENT FEES OPERATIVES.
UM, THE PROGRAM IS, UH, STATE MANDATED, BUT IT RECEIVES NO GENERAL FUND SUPPORT.
THE STATE LEGISLATION IS, UH, REQUIRING LOCALITIES TO CONTRIBUTE AND BECOME FISCAL AGENTS FOR THEIR LOCAL ASAP PROGRAMS. VVML POSITION, WHICH WILL BE TAKEN UP, UH, WITH THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON JANUARY 13TH OF, UH, 2027, IS THE COMMONWEALTH SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR FUNDING THE STATE MANDATED PROGRAM THROUGH, UH, THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, I WON'T GO INTO A BUNCH OF THEIR STATE AND LOCAL ECONOMY, UH, SUGGESTIONS IN THE COMMONWEALTH THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE FOREVER AND TODAY, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE ASSISTANCE TO LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS, UH, WAS AT HB 5 99, AND I THINK TOWN TOWN'S QUALIFIED FOR THIS AS WELL.
UH, LIVING IN 70% OF VIRGINIANS LIVE IN COMMUNITY, SERVED BY POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
UH, STATE CREATED A PROGRAM OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS, 5 99 WHEN IMPOSED AN ANNOTATION MORATORIUM ON CITIES MORE THAN 30 YEARS AGO.
UH, IT HAS INCREASINGLY DEEMPHASIZED THIS FUNDING OBLIGATION AS A PRIORITY, BUT IT'S NEVER COMPROMISED ON THE MOR ANNOTATION MORATORIUM.
THE VML IS CALLING FOR THE STATE TO HONOR ITS COMMITMENT.
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND PUBLIC SAFETY BY FUNDING THE PROGRAM HAS STIPULATED IN THE CODE OF VIRGINIA A LIFT, A MORATORIUM ON ANNEXATION.
UH, WHAT ELSE? UH, I DID A LOT OF WALKING OVER THE WEEKEND, SUCH A NICE WEEKEND, UH, STOPPED IN AT TWO LS, ET CETERA.
UH, I MISSED THEIR, THEY HAD LIKE A OPEN HOUSE OR SOMETHING BACK IN JUNE.
UH, THIS WAS AT TWO 17 EAST MAINE, OWNED BY DAVID LASSETER AND LEO SCHRIDER.
UM, AND THEY OFFER, UH, PLANTS, ARTS AQUARIUMS, UH, TERRARIUMS. UH, THEY HAVE A CHRISTMAS ROOM AND A WORKSHOP IN THE BACK FOR FOLKS WHO WANTED
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TO BE CREATIVE.UH, I ALSO FOUND MYSELF DOWN ON COMMERCE AVENUE, AND I'D NEVER BEEN IN, I BELIEVE JULIE BOUGHT, UH, RUNS THIS OR AS A, AS A PARTNER IN THE FOX TRACK MARKET.
AND, UM, UM, HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH, UM, UH, SOME FOLKS IN THERE AND, UH, UH, GOT SOME, I WAS GIVEN A BOTTLE OF THEIR CHICKEN JUICE OR SOMETHING.
SO IT WAS, UH, IT WAS A MANGO, A MANGO COMBINATION OF, UH, TRYING TO REMEMBER MICROGREENS.
ROBBIE D YEAH, YOU KNOW, ROBBIE VERY GOOD BY THE WAY.
UM, AND, UM, THEY OFFER INDOOR FARM MARKET, UH, LOCAL PRODUCE, FRESH EGGS, BAKED GOODS.
UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO, AND THEY SHOW UP.
THERE'S ALSO, UM, A DONATE, I THINK IT'S CALLED DEBBIE'S LIGHTHOUSE, UM, WHERE THEY GIVE AWAY, UH, FOOD TO FOLKS WHO NEED IT.
UH, AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE ENERGY DEPARTMENT FOR FIXING THE LIGHTING ON KID LANE.
UH, IT WAS KIND OF DARK DOWN THERE AND, UH, I DO APPRECIATE, I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
SO, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, MAYOR, I DON'T THINK I, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A BREAK.
WELL, LAST WEEK OF JULY, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF ATTENDING THE WARREN COUNTY FAIR, COUNCILMAN INGRAM.
AND I HELD DOWN THE FORT
ONE OF THOSE, ONE OF THOSE COUPLE EVENING I WAS THERE, AND I KNOW COUNCIL RAPPAPORT WAS THERE OTHER EVENING AS WELL.
UM, THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST, I ACTUALLY PRACTICED MY CHECKOUT SKILLS AT THE CASH REGISTER AT WALMART WITH THE HIGH KIDS ELEMENTARY SHOPPING DAYS WHERE, UM, STUDENTS AND THEIR PARENTS HAVE BEEN SHOPPING FOR NEW CLOTHES AND SCHOOL SUPPLIES, ALL PAID FOR BY THE DONATIONS FROM OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE CLO KIDS AT, FOR, AND THEN SATURDAY, AUGUST 8TH, WE DISTRIBUTED ALL THE CLOTHES, SCHOOL SUPPLIES AND HYGIENE KITS TO ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE, AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND IT REALLY WAS A WONDER WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE TO GET TO PLAY A PART IN HELPING FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY GET THEIR CHILDREN READY FOR SCHOOL.
UH, JULY 28TH, UM, I ACTUALLY ATTENDED A LUNCHEON FOR ALL THE NEW TEACHERS AND STAFF FOR WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN MY ROLE AS THE MAYOR, UH, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CHERYL COLORS.
AND I DID OUR YEARLY SERVING THE LUNCHEON, UH, WHICH WAS HOSTED BY THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WITH A FEW PROVIDED BY OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES LIKE APPLE HOUSE GARCIA ANDINO, AND
I ALWAYS ENJOY MEETING ALL THE NEW PEOPLE, UM, AT THAT EVENT.
AND I ALWAYS ASK THEM WHERE THEY'RE FROM AND WHAT SCHOOL THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
AND THEY'RE ALWAYS SO, UM, EXCITED AND, AND AND EAGER TO GET STARTED.
AND I LOVE THE IDEA THAT, UM, OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND THE CHAMBER WELCOMES THEM AND THEY DO A LOT OF THINGS WITH THEM THAT DAY.
THEY PUT 'EM ON THE TROLLEY, THEY TAKE 'EM AROUND, THEY SHOW THEM ALL THE DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD, UM, UH, OPPORTUNITY THAT WEEK, UM, THAT THEY WORK WITH.
UM, THEY, THEY COME A WEEK BEFORE THE TEACHERS.
THE REST OF THE TEACHERS COME.
AUGUST 5TH, UM, I PARTICIPATED IN OUR ANNUAL NATIONAL NIGHT OUT THAT WAS HOSTED BY OUR OWN FRONT ROW POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE PRESENT THAT NIGHT.
IT WASN'T SUPER HOT THIS YEAR.
UH, SO THANK YOU TO OUR FRONTAL PD FOR ORGANIZING SUCH A SUCCESSFUL EVENT.
AND ALSO OUR TOWN STAFF WHO HELPED WITH SET UP AND TAKE DOWN.
'CAUSE JUST AS ONE KNOWS ON THOSE BIG TYPE OF, UM, EVENTS DOWNTOWN, THAT IT TAKES A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AUGUST 7TH, UM, I ATTENDED THE CONVOCATION FOR WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS WITH THE TOWN MANAGER, JOE PETTY.
UM, THAT WAS ANOTHER WONDERFUL EVENT, WAS WITH A MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER WHO EMPHASIZED HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO MEET OUR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES WHERE THEY ARE, TO HAVE STRONG COMMUNICATION AND TO MAKE RELATIONSHIPS.
AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO GO AS FAR AS TO SAY THAT THOSE QUALITIES ARE IMPORTANT, NOT ONLY IN EDUCATION, MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE ARE STRONG COMMUNICATION AND MAKING RELATIONSHIPS, BUT PUBLIC SERVICE SITTING HERE AND OUR PUBLIC STAFF,
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THOSE ARE ALSO THINGS THAT GO A LONG WAY.TWO THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP THAT I'D LIKE YOU TO BE AWARE OF FIRST.
UM, THERE'S A YOUNG LIFE GOLF TOURNAMENT ON SEPTEMBER 9TH.
UM, I AM A MEMBER OF THAT BOARD FOR YOUNG LIFE, AND THEY DO A LOT OF GREAT THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH OUR YOUTH.
UM, IF YOU GOLF OR YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO GOLF, THEY'RE STILL LOOKING FOR GOLFERS TO PARTICIPATE.
AND THERE IS A CHANCE TO WIN A CAR WITH A HOLE IN ONE CHALLENGE.
I I, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT HAPPEN, BUT I KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF GOLF TOURNAMENTS WHERE IT DOES HAPPEN.
SO, AND THEN ALSO THE ANNUAL CELEBRATE KIDS DAY, THAT'S HOSTED BY THE WARREN COALITION.
IT'S GONNA BE ON SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 27TH FROM ONE TO FOUR AT THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMPLEX.
YOURS TRULY IS SITTING IN THE PITCH FIRST AGAIN.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE A CHANCE TO BURST WATER BALLOON OVER MY HEAD, COME ON OUT.
UM, I'M ALSO RAISING MONEY FOR THE COALITION AS A PITCH FIRST BIRCH FIRST PARTICIPANT.
SO IF YOU FEEL SO LED, PLEASE CHECK OUT MY PITCH FIRST PAGE AND DONATE TO THE COALITION.
SO WE ARE ONTO OUR CONSENT AGENDA AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MAD MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS PRESENTED.
SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, ROLL CALL.
COUNCILMAN ROCKPORT? YES, COUNCILWOMAN DO COPA? YES.
UM, NEXT ITEM ARE, ARE BUSINESS ITEMS, UH, BOTH OF WHICH ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, BUT, SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE BAR APPEAL.
UM, UH, SO APPEAL PURSUANT TO TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 94 TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR DENIAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF PROOF.
IN THIS BY, I'M GONNA SAY IT'S HO BANK, UH, TO PERMIT THE REPLACEMENT OF 18 WINDOWS FROM WOOD TO VINYL.
AND SO, UM, MORE FOR THE PUBLIC.
WE ACTUALLY HAD THIS BEFORE US, UM, IN OUR WORK SESSION, UM, AND AFTER THE WORK SESSION, PART OF TOWN CODE IS THAT WE WOULD TAKE ACTION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO THIS IS AN APPEAL THE APPLICANT IS APPEALING TO THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEWS.
DENIAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 15 FINAL REPLACEMENT WINDOWS INSTALLED ON CONTRIBUTING PRE-CIVIL WAR STRUCTURE WITHIN THE SORT DISTRICT.
THE WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED WITHOUT THE REQUIRED PERMITS WERE PRIOR BAR APPROVAL.
THE BAR PREVIOUSLY DENIED THE REQUEST IN MARCH, 2025, AFTER WHICH THE APPLICANT CEASED WORK ON THE BUILDING AND LATER SUBMITTED A NEW COA APPLICATION AT ITS JULY 14TH, 2026 MEETING.
THE BAR AGAIN DENIED THE REQUEST AND DIRECTED THAT THE VINYL WINDOWS BE REPLACED WITH WOOD WINDOWS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES.
THROUGH THIS APPEAL, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL OVERTURN THE BAR'S DECISION AND ALLOW THE EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS TO REMAIN.
ALTERNATIVELY, IF REPLACEMENT IS REQUIRED, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THAT ONLY THE NON FRONT FACING WINDOWS BE REPLACED WITH WOOD WINDOWS WHILE ALLOWING THE VINYL WINDOWS ON THE SIDE AND REAR ELEVATIONS TO REMAIN.
NOW, AS PART OF OUR PACKET, UM, THERE IS, UM, THE, THE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT RELATE, UH, TO TOWN CODE.
I WON'T GO INTO ALL THAT, BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT, IF THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, THEY HAVE TO, UH, WRITE TO THE CLERK AT COUNCIL.
AND THEN AT THE NEXT, UM, IT BEST AT A WORK SESSION.
AND THEN, UM, UH, AND THEN IT CAN GO BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL AND ALSO, UM, THAT, UM, ALSO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY, THEY AGREED BY FINAL DECISION OF THE BAR FOLLOWING THE DECISION RENDERED ON APPEAL TO
THEY ALSO CAN APPEAL THE SAID DECISION TO THE CIRCUIT BOARD OF WARREN COUNTY, VIRGINIA.
AND SO AT THIS TIME, IT, THIS ISN'T A, UM, PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THAT'S THE ITEM THAT'S BEFORE US THE BUSINESS ITEM.
WELL, ACTUALLY, BEFORE I OPEN UP TO COUNSEL, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT STAFF WANTS TO SAY? OKAY.
WE HAVE AN UPDATE THAT I CAN SHOW YOU, UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED.
YEAH, I THINK JOE GOT STUCK IN THE DOORWAY.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID HE, HEY CHARLES, CAN YOU PULL UP MY POWERPOINT AGAIN? HE WENT BACK, I,
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SO THIS PAST FRIDAY, UH, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED TWO CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, WITH A RENDERING THAT HE PROVIDED.SO ONE OF THEM IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, AND THAT'S A REHABILITATION PROPOSAL.
SO HE'S HAS THE 14 WOOD SHUTTERS, UH, WITH THE ORIGINAL METAL HARDWARE THAT WERE ON THAT BUILDING AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
SO THE REPORTS THAT WE HAVE SHOW THAT THERE WERE SHUTTERS, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, I GUESS WHERE THE BRICK WAS PAINTED OVER WHERE THEY ORIGINALLY INSTALLED.
HE'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IMPROVEMENT.
BUT THE SECOND ONE THAT HE IS NOT TO EXPENSIVE WOULD BE THE, UM, ADDITION OF THE FRONT PORCH, WHICH WAS DESCRIBED IN THE, UM, ORIGINAL REPORT THAT IT HAD BEEN REMOVED AT SOME POINT IN TIME, NOT THE EIGHTIES NAIVE ISH.
SO HIS ASK WOULD BE THAT IF HE'S ABLE TO KEEP THE VINYL WINDOWS, UM, AND HE'S GOING TO INSTALL THE ORIGINAL SHUTTERS PAINTED THAT, UM, IF HE DOES NOT HAVE TO BEAR THE COST OF THE REPLACEMENT, THAT HE WOULD, WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PORCH.
SO HE WOULD DO THE HIP ROOF PORCH WITH THE METAL ROOF, UM, WITH THE SIX BY SIX COLUMNS.
I'M GONNA CORRECT MYSELF, IT WAS THE SEVENTIES.
THEY, THEY WERE GONE BY THE, THE PORCH WAS NOT THERE IN THE SEVENTIES.
WHEN YOU, YOU GO IN THE INCON, THERE'S STILL SOME OF THE ORIGINAL MAHOGANY HANDLING THAT IS SUNNY AT ONE POINT.
SO AT THIS TIME, IF, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO.
SO THE NEW PROPOSAL IS TO ADD THE SHUTTERS BUT NOT REPLACE THE WINDOWS BECAUSE AT THE LAST MEETING, THE OFFER WAS TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT, BUT NOT THE ONES ON THE BACK THAT WERENT VISIBLE.
SO HE'S ASKING IF HE INSTALLS THE ORIGINAL SHUTTERS, PAINTS 'EM, RESTORES IT, BUT HE GETS TO KEEP THE VINYL WINDOWS ALL THE WAY AROUND.
UM, AND THEN HE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE PORCH.
NOW IF HE HAS TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS WOOD, HE IS STILL ASKING THAT IT IS JUST THE FRONT WINDOWS THAT GET REPLACED WITH THE AND SIDES IN REAR, WHICH WE'RE NOT AS VISIBLE.
IS THERE A WAIT FOR THIS TO GO BACK IN? YEAH.
WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION, MADAM, I I WANTED TO RESET THIS.
THIS IS AN APPEAL OF A DECISION FROM THE BAR.
UM, IN MY VIEW, SOMETHING NEW WITH THE BAR IS, IS, IS FINE, BUT IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE APPEAL.
SO IT, IT, UM, THE APP, THE APPELLANT HAS THE OPTION OF WITHDRAWING THE APPEAL AND GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, BUT THE APPEAL IS OF THE BA'S DECISION REGARDING THE WINDOWS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, UNLESS THE APPELLANT REMOVES THEIR APPEAL IN FRONT OF THIS BODY, THIS BODY HAS TO TAKE ACTION ON THE APPEAL.
UM, WELL, I DO HAVE, I MEAN, I HAVE A QUESTION, JUST GENERAL.
YEAH, WELL, JUST GENERALLY, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT MAKES, UM, WHAT MAKES IT ADMINISTRATIVE, LIKE WHAT'S ALLOWED HABIT, LIKE HOW IS THAT ALLOWED? SO ANYTHING THAT, WOULD WE HAVE PARAMETERS? SO WITH A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, SO WE HAVE TWO CATEGORIES OF CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING.
SO THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, IF YOU ARE DOING SOME TYPE OF REHABILITATION OR YOU'RE DOING LIKE A, LIKE FOR LIKE CHANGE, I CAN JUST TYPICALLY SIGN OFF ON THAT.
IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF SIGNIFICANT MATERIAL CHANGE OR LIKE AN ADDITION OR DEMOLITION OF PORTION OF IT, THAT HAS TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW MM-HMM
SO IT'S JUST DIFFERENT PARAMETERS.
UM, AND IT'S IN LINE WITH OUR HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. SONIC.
THIS IS AN APPEAL OF THE TOWN COUNCIL, CORRECT? RIGHT.
I MEAN THIS IS AN APPEAL BEFORE THE TOWN COUNCIL, CORRECT? UM, WE DON'T GENERALLY HAVE ANYBODY SPEAK.
I MEAN, OH, THE APPELLANT SPEAKS.
SO, AND THEN, AND THEN IS IT, IS IT THE APPELLANT OR SOMEBODY SPEAKING FOR THE APPELLANT? NO, THE, THE APP, THE APPELLANT.
IT WOULD BE THE APPELLANT AND THEN, UH, STAFF.
AND THEN THE APPELLANT HAS REBUTTAL.
THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IS I'M ASSUMING THAT THE APPELLANT IS MR.
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BANG, RIGHT? MM-HMMSO, AND HE HAS, HE'S BROUGHT SOMEBODY WITH HIM.
SO WHO, I'M JUST ASKING WHAT'S THE, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING HERE?
I'M JUST, YOU MIGHT WANT TO STATE THE REASON WHY THE APPELLANT ISN'T REPRESENTING HIMSELF.
YOU BANG, IF YOU'LL COME UP TO THE, IF YOU'LL COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
SO, AND JUST LET US KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR US TO HEAR SOMEONE ELSE SPEAK AND, AND THEIR ROLE IN IT.
I'M ASKING, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEP ALL THE BUYING WINDOW AS THIS AND PUT THE NEW PORCH.
ARE YOU ASKING THAT THIS GENTLEMAN SPEAK NOW? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL RENDERING.
UH, UH, AND THIS ONE MATCHES THE LIKENESS OF THE, THE TREE.
THIS IS WHAT THIS PORCH USED TO LOOK LIKE ON THE FRONT.
THAT ONE WE REALLY THINK THE CLOSEST FRIEND.
SO THAT WAS, THAT'S THE ONE BESIDE IT.
YES, MR. PROPERTY, FAMILY GOT IT BACK BY THE CHILDREN.
AND THIS IS THE RENDER GREEN, THE NEWEST RENDER TO MATCH.
THAT, THAT'S THE LITTLE, THIS IS GONNA HAVE THE CORNERS WHERE, UM, UH, TWO 12 BRIDGE THE DOOR, THE WINDOW, THE DOOR TO THE LEFT WON'T BE THERE.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY A WINDOW AND WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO A WINDOW.
SO THIS BUILDING'S OLDER THAN WHAT Y'ALL GOT.
GOT IT PLACED AS THERE'S WHATEVER THE, WHATEVER THE TRAIN STATION IS, IT'S CLOSER TO THAT.
THE TRAIN PEOPLE, IT'S CLOSER TO THAT FROM THE, FROM THE BACKGROUND.
BUT THAT'S THE RENDERING THIS ONE LOOKS TO AND WE FOUND THAT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IS NOT THAT BUILDING.
THAT WOULD YOU, THAT IS NEXT DOOR.
THE THING THAT YOU'RE HOLDING UP IS THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR TO THIS IS, YEAH, FIVE 13.
AND THEY WERE ORIGINALLY THE SAME BECAUSE I READ THE, THE, THE WRITINGS.
I HAVE THIS RIGHT HERE AND IT, AND IT STATES MOST OF IT IN HERE.
AND IT, IT GIVES MORE DETAIL IN WORDS.
IS THE, RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS THE USE OF THAT? I MEAN, I THINK I KNOW, BUT WHAT IS THE USE OF THAT BUILDING RIGHT NOW? IT'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING APARTMENTS.
AND EVEN AFTER, WHETHER IT LOOKS LIKE THIS OR IT LOOKS LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT DOOR WILL NO LONGER BE THERE.
IT'S GONNA BE A WINDOW, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S BACK TO A WINDOW.
I JUST, I WENT BY THERE TONIGHT.
UM, BUT IS THE PLAN THAT IT WILL STILL REMAIN APARTMENT? YES MA'AM.
IT'LL JUST HAVE A PORCH TO IT.
YEAH, IT'LL HAVE THE, UM, IT'LL BRING BACK THE LIFE OF, OF THE, OF THE, YOU KNOW, WE BROUGHT IT, WE BROUGHT THIS BUILDING BACK TO LIGHT, SO.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT COUNSEL HAS FOR, UM, THE, UM, APPELLANT OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE, I SHOULD SAY, BUT YEAH, I'M JUST HERE TO NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND.
I, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S SENT OFF ON THE BUILDING AGAIN.
DOES THE BUILDING CURRENTLY HAVE A METAL ROOF ON IT? NO, SIR.
SO IT'S BEEN, IT WAS NOT SHINGLED, UH, NO, PROBABLY 30 YEARS.
BUT YOU'RE SHOWING IN THE RENDERING HERE A METAL ROOF.
SO IS THAT, THAT'S NOT THE RENDERING, UM, THAT THIS IS, I'M LOOKING, I I'M LOOKING AT THE SAME THING.
AREN'T I NOT OH, THAT THIS SAME BUILDING, BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT PORCH.
I SEE THE CORNER, THE CORNER'S IN THE, UH,
UH, BUT, BUT MY QUESTION IS WHETHER I'M LOOKING AT THIS OR THAT, IS IT GONNA BE A METAL ROOF OR A SHINGLE? THE, THE PORCH IS GONNA BE METAL.
MAIN MAIN HOUSE WOULD STAY SHINGLES BECAUSE IT, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THAT.
ACTUALLY, SOMEBODY HERE DID THIS ONE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT FROM COUNSEL?
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ONE MORE.IT'S GONNA HAVE A WOOD, WOOD FORCE, NOT THE CONCRETE.
IS THERE RENDERING, THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THREE AND A QUARTER INCH IS YOUR ORIGINAL, IS YOUR THINKING THAT BY ADDING THE PORCH, THAT THAT GIVES IT MORE OF THE HISTORIC FEEL? OH YEAH.
BUT DIDN'T, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE, UM, WINDOW MATERIALS OF THE WINDOW THOUGH.
BUT IT WOULD GIVE IT MORE OF A, SO MY, MY MY MY, UH, MY FIGHT ON THE WINDOWS IS, YOU KNOW, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL GREEN.
UM, IT'S MORE EFFICIENT BY FAR THAN A SINGLE PANE WINDOW.
AND THOSE ARE FIVE EIGHTS ON EGRESS WINDOWS.
SO I, IT'S 95% OF MAIN STREET HAS VINYL WINDOWS WHERE THE BLINDS GET.
BUT
I JUST, I DIDN'T HEAR HIM INTRODUCE HIMSELF, SO I DON'T KNOW HIS NAME AND I WAS READING, OH, I'M SORRY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT AT THIS TIME? BY COUNSEL? OKAY, WELL WE NEED JOEL.
AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FOR, YES.
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT IS, IS THE NINE WOOD WINDOW AND, AND THE, AND THE SIX VINYL IN THE BACK AND THE SIDE? NO.
IS THAT PART OF THIS? WE'RE TAKING ACTION ON THE APPEAL OF 15 VINYL REPLACEMENTS IN THE MOTION.
SO THE, WHAT THE BAR DID IS THAT MR. CUTBACK MOVED AND SECONDED BY MS. HENRY THAT, UM, SO THE ONE REMAINING ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW IN THE REAR IS SUPPOSED TO BE REPAIRED AND THAT ALL THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK ARE REPLACED WITH SIX OVER SIX WOODEN WINDOWS.
ALL WINDOWS NEED TO BE SET APPROPRIATELY WITH WOOD, EXTERIOR TRIM OR MORTAR AS APPROPRIATE TO THE HOUSE OF STRUCTURE AND ALL WORK TO BE INSPECTED BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
SO WHAT HE'S APPEALING IS THAT IS THE REPLACEMENT OF ALL OF THE 18 WINDOWS THAT HE'S PUT IN THAT ARE VINYL 15, OR SORRY, 15 AND THE OTHER.
AND LAST TIME HE ASKED THAT IF HE HAS TO REPLACE 'EM, THAT HE JUST HAVE TO REPLACE THE FRONT ONES WITH WOOD AND GET TO LEAVE THE REST.
BUT WHAT'S BEFORE US IS THE 15 MAIN.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE CONFUSION WAS IS YEAH, BUT IT IS THAT THE BAR? YEAH.
IS THAT THE BAR WEIGHED IN AND THEN WHEN, WHEN THE BAR WEIGHED IN AND THEN WE HEARD IT AT THE, WHEN WE HEARD IT, UM, THAT'S WHEN THE, WHAT I WOULD ALMOST CALL LIKE THE NEGOTIATION OF LIKE, WELL, IF I DON'T DO THIS, I COULD DO THAT.
BUT THAT ISN'T WHAT THE BAR WEIGHED IN ON, RIGHT? NO, THEY, THEY DID IT BASED ON THE WINDOWS IN GENERAL BASED ON, AND I KNOW EARLIER TONIGHT SOMEONE ASKED THIS QUESTION, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE MR. SONIC, THAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, WHICH IS THAT IF SOMEBODY ON THIS COUNCIL, IF, IF COUNSEL WANTED THIS TO GO BACK TO THE BAR TO CONSIDER THE NEGOTIATION OF, WELL, WHAT IF WE GOT, YOU KNOW, IF WE KEPT THE FIRST, IF THE, THE ONES IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THOSE NINE WERE REPLACED AND THE REST WEREN'T, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT.
I THINK, I THINK YOU CAN MODIFY THE BARS DECISION.
NO, BUT WE CAN'T SEND IT BACK TO THE BAR NO.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE APPEAR.
WERE THE APPELLANT TRY TO EXACTLY.
IF THE, IF THE APPELLANT, IF THE APPELLANT CAN, YES.
IF THE APPELLANT WANTS TO GO DOWN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PATH LIKE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO US TONIGHT, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE'RE HEARING.
THIS PORCH AND THESE OTHER ITEMS ARE NOT WHAT WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT.
SO THESE PROPOSITIONS CANNOT BE MADE TO COUNSEL.
THEY NEED TO BE MADE TO THE BAR.
WE'RE NOT NEGOTIATING, WE'RE HEARING 15 VINYL WINDOWS.
WE ARE TAKING ACTION ON THAT TONIGHT.
AND IF YOU CANNOT REFER IT BACK, AND, AND IF THIS COUNSEL TAKES ACTION TO UPHOLD THE APPEAL BY THE BAR, THE APPELLANT CAN GO BACK TO THE BAR AND ASK FOR THE, I MEAN, IF THEY WANT, I'M JUST, IF IT'S MATERIAL MATERIALLY DIFFERENT, I WOULD SAY, UH, IF THE ASK OF THE BAR IS, YOU CAN'T JUST BACKDOOR, UH, THE SAME DECISION.
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RIGHT, RIGHT.SO IF IT WAS, THIS IS KIND OF A GRAY AREA, BUT IF IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT, DO YOU, IN FRONT OF THE BAR, DO YOU BELIEVE 15 TO NINE IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT? PORCH? I, I WOULDN'T OPINE AT THIS POINT ON THAT.
WELL, I GUESS WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, BECAUSE IF, YEAH, I, I'M JUST, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF COUNSEL IS TO UPHOLD THE BAR OR MOD MODIFY IT OR COMPLETELY OVERRULE THE BAR GOTCHA.
SO THEY CAN HAVE, THEY HAVE OTHER OPTIONS.
MR. BALDWIN, I'M SORRY, BECAUSE AT THIS TIME THEY'RE JUST, THIS IS OUR DISCUSSION PART.
UM, BUT DID YOU, DID I ASK IF HE, IF HE JUST PULLS BACK THE, THE, THE APPEAL AND THEN, AND, AND RE GOES TO THE BAR AND THEN COME BACK ISN THAT SIMPLER? UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SIMPLER.
WE JUST HAVE TO, I JUST NEED TO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALLOWED OR NOT.
UM, THAT'S BEING MASTER MR. SONNET.
WE, WE HAVE TO DO, WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TONIGHT OR THEY HAVE TO PULL BACK THEIR APPEAL ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
I, I MAY HAVE MISSPOKEN EARLIER ABOUT, 'CAUSE I WASN'T QUITE SURE WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
EITHER WAY, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO, I WASN'T QUITE SURE WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE.
UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA OVERSTEP MY BOUNDS BY SUGGESTING WHAT THE BAR COULD OR COULD NOT DO.
OR I, I, I THINK THE ISSUES IN FRONT OF COUNSEL AS IT WAS, UM, DECIDED BY THE BAR.
SO IT'S EITHER TO UPHOLD, MODIFY, OR OVERRULE.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ANY ONE OF THOSE THREE DECISIONS, THIS COUNSEL, MAY NOT EVER SEE THIS ISSUE AGAIN.
I'M JUST SAYING IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE ABOUT THAT.
AGAIN, I CAN'T, THIS COULD BE THE LAST TIME WE SEE THIS.
I DON'T WANT HANDCUFF THE BAR AS TO WHAT THEY SAY OR MAY NOT DO ON ANOTHER, ON ANOTHER.
AND I AND I APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE.
I RECOGNIZE THAT THE BARB MAKES THEIR OWN DECISIONS COMPLETELY SEPARATE OF US THERE.
WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? SOMETIMES A QUASI JUDICIAL, LIKE IT'S SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN US.
I JUST WAS ASKING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN, WE, WHAT WAS BEFORE US WAS ONE THING THEN WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING THE LAST TIME THEY BROUGHT UP THE NINE WINDOW THING THAT THE BAR HAD NOT HEARD.
UM, ASKING TO MODIFY THE BAR'S DECISION.
BUT I'M SAYING THOUGH, THE BAR DIDN'T WEIGH IN ON THAT.
BECAUSE THAT WASN'T EVER BEFORE THEM.
BUT, AND THEN TONIGHT, IT'S NOT JUST THE NINE WINDOWS NOW WHERE THERE'S DISCUSSION OF A PORCH.
SO THESE, THESE SEEM TO BE LIKE THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF AN APPLICATION ALMOST.
UM, THE DISCUSSION, THE PORCH SHOULDN'T EVEN WEIGH INTO IT.
I'M JUST SAYING CALL THE COURT.
THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION IS.
SO IT'S, I THINK CHRIS, BUT I DO, I DO THINK IT WOULD, I MEAN I'M SURE THAT STAFF IS DOING THIS, BUT I I DO THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THEM TO MAP OUT SOME OPTIONS SO THAT IT'S CLEAR WHAT HA YOU KNOW.
BUT CLEAR TO HELP THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WHAT'S BEFORE US IS THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WENT TO THE BAR, THAT'S WHAT THE BAR WEIGHED IN ON.
AND THE APPEAL IS TO THE COUNCIL TO HOLD TO, TO MAINTAIN WHAT THE BAR SAID OR OVERTURN WHAT THE BAR SAID.
MODIFY OR, OR MODIFY WHAT THE BAR SAID.
AND, AND A MODIFICATION WOULD BE TRICKY BECAUSE THEN WE'RE MODIFYING SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY DELVE INTO.
BUT ANYWAY, I THINK WE, BUT ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA CALL, SOMEBODY ALREADY SAID UP HERE.
Y'ALL DIDN'T HEAR AMBER SAID, CALLED A QUESTION SO MAD A MAYOR.
I MOVED TO DENY THE APPEALS SUBMITTED BY HA HAL KB PURSUANT TO TOWN CODE SECTION 1 75 94, AND UPHOLD THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEWS.
DENIAL THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE FOR DISCUSSION.
I SPOKE WITH SOME MEMBERS OF THE BAR AFTER YOUR PROPOSITION TO COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND THEY SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS AN OPTION AND THEY WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO COME BACK TO THE TABLE TO DISCUSS WITH THEM.
AND WHY IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE THERE IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO SAID ON THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW HAVE A LOT OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE ARCHITECTURE IN THE DOWNTOWN.
AND I THINK THEY ARE EAGER TO WORK WITH YOU TO SEE THE RESTORATION OF THIS VERY, VERY OLD BUILDING.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO MODIFY, IN MY OPINION, SOMETHING THAT THE BAR HASN'T EVEN SEEN, WHICH IS NOW THE PROPOSITION OF THIS ROOF.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE PORCH AS WELL.
AND SO THE CLEANEST ROUTE AND THE MOST
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EFFICIENT AND ECONOMICAL ROUTE FOR YOU GUYS WOULD BE TO GO BACK TO THE BAR.UM, AND I THINK THAT THEY WILL GLADLY WELCOME YOU BACK TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS.
NOT THAT WE, NOT THAT WE CAN SPEAK FOR THEM.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT US, BUT IT'S, YEAH.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE LEAVING OUT OTHER THAN, AND THANK YOU FOR ATTEMPTING TO RESTORE THIS BUILDING ON MAINSTREAM, UM, WITH JORDAN OR, RIGHT? NO, NO.
THEY, THEY DENIED YOUR APPEAL.
SO THEN YOU JUST START FROM SCRATCH.
WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET, SO THERE'S NO
BUT, BUT THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY AT THIS POINT FOR HIM TO WITHDRAW THE APPEAL.
HE JUST SAID HE WANTS TO WITHDRAW.
THE APPEAL IS, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN'T BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, YOU DON'T THINK? I DON'T THINK THAT IS PROCEDURALLY CORRECT.
I MEAN THEY CAN WITHDRAW IT, BUT THEN BARR DECISION STANDS I IS THE SAME AS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IT CAN BE WITHDRAWN, BUT THE BAR DECISION STANDS.
AND I DON'T WANT TO ADVISE THE I APPLICANT, THE APPELLANT ALL MR. VO.
SO THE BAR'S DECISION WAS WITHHELD, UH, ITEM NUMBER 11 B, WHICH IS A CONSIDERATION OF REQUEST TO DISCONTINUE MOTOR VEHICLE USE ON PORTION OF CHURCH STREET.
UM, THE TOWN FRONT ROYALS REQUESTING TO DISCONTINUE THE USE OF MOTOR VEHICLES ON APPROXIMATELY 1,932 SQUARE FEET OF CHURCH STREET BETWEEN EAST MAIN STREET AND THE PARKING LOT BEHIND TO ONE EAST MAIN STREET PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 15.2 DASH 2 0 1 AND 2 0 0 6.
THE ONE WAY ALLEY HAS BEEN CLOSED SINCE LATE 2025 FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE FORMER MURPHY THEATER BUILDING AT 1 31 EAST MAIN STREET.
DURING THIS TIME, THE TOWN HAS RECEIVED LITTLE TO NO FEEDBACK REGARDING THE CLOSURE AND ITS IMPACT ON TRAFFIC.
IN 2019, THE TOWN CONDUCTED A TOWN DOWNTOWN PARKING STUDY WITH THE NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY REGION COMMIT REGIONAL COMMISSION.
THE STUDY RECOMMENDED, RECOMMEND ENC CLOSING STREET THE VEHICLES AND CREATE A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY.
DO I NEED TO READ ALL THIS MR. ON IT? BECAUSE DO I HAVE TO READ THE REST OF IT? I UNDERSTAND.
IT'S, UM, O ONLY IF IT'S FOR COUNSEL'S BENEFIT.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING.
AND DO WE NEED TO TALK TO STAFF? IS THERE ANYTHING THE STAFF WANTS TO OFFER? I JUST MENTIONED, AND I THINK GEORGE, FOLLOW UP, YOU HAVE AN UPDATED MOTION AFTER IT WAS SENT OUT.
IT WAS REVIEWED, UM, BY A LEGAL COUNSEL AND UH, STILL I THINK SAYS THE SAME THING.
IT WAS, YEAH, THE DISCONTINUANCE DEFINITION NEEDED TO BE CHANGED BATON OVER HERE.
SO, UM, AS THE AGENDA WAS BEING PREPARED AND, UH, TO GO OUT, UH, EMAILS CROSSED OR I WANTED DISCONTINUANCE REMOVED.
AND THE WORD CLOSE OR CLOSED OR CLOSURE INSERTED.
UM, TWO DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT TERMS AS FAR AS PUBLIC WAYS.
UH, FOR CLOSURE, I THINK COUNSEL IS WELL WITHIN, UM, ITS AUTHORITY UNDER 15 TWO, 2001 TO, TO MODIFY THE USE OF A PUBLIC WAY WITHOUT GETTING INTO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ORDINANCES, DISCONTINUANCE, IN MY VIEW, KIND OF CROSSES THE LINE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SAYING WE'RE, WE'RE NO LONGER GONNA MAINTAIN THIS.
AND I THINK WHEN YOU GO THAT FAR, YOU NEED INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
IT'S A MODIFIED CLOSURE IS WHAT IT IS.
WE DID HAVE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC LAST MEETING, RIGHT? YEAH, WE DID.
HEARING IT DOESN'T REQUIRE, BUT IT WAS FOR THESE OTHER WORDS, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE.
COUNSEL CAN ACT ON A MOTION OTHERWISE KNOWN AS A RESOLUTION.
AND UM, I DO KNOW THAT AFTER THE LAST MEETING, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, AND THERE WAS LOTS OF DISCUSSION ON THIS, WAS TO GIVE IT ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET INPUT.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT I GOT SOME INPUT.
DID Y'ALL GET INPUT? WELL, YOU SHARED ONE.
YOU DIDN'T GET ANY MORE THAN THAT.
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OKAY.ANYWAY, I WAS JUST SAYING PHONE CALL.
I GOT EMAILS TO MY TOWN EMAIL.
WHICH I WILL SAY THAT I'M ALWAYS HAPPY WHEN WE GET INPUTS REGARDLESS OF IT.
'CAUSE THEN THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION AND THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, WHICH IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN US HEARING AFTERWARDS THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN OR NOT GONNA HAPPEN OR WHATEVER.
IS THERE ANY, SO COUNSEL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
HOW MUCH, OKAY, GO AHEAD PLEASE.
I WAS ASKED BY UM, A TAXPAYER, UM, HOW MUCH THE TOWN HAS INVESTED IN THE SURVEY AND THE RENDERINGS AND THE, THE SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OF THE POTENTIAL CLOSURE OF THIS STREET.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S A GRANT FROM DOWNTOWN.
WHAT WAS PROVIDED WAS PROVIDED TO US WITH, IT DIDN'T COST THE TAXPAYERS ANY MONEY.
SO THE TOWN DIDN'T SPEND ANYTHING ON THE SURVEY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THERE IS CURRENTLY A TRANSPORTATION SURVEY GOING ON IN TOWN AND PARKING.
SO THERE IS A, THERE IS A PARKING.
SO WE TALKING SURVEY OR STUDY, UM, THE DOWNTOWN PARKING STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2019.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE PAID FOR THAT.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A DOWN ANOTHER DOWNTOWN PARKING STUDY THAT CAME TO COUNCIL A FEW MONTHS AGO.
AND THAT IS ONGOING CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.
I THINK YOU ANSWERED AT ONE OF OUR WORK SESSIONS ABOUT THIS.
BUT WHAT IS THE DATE THAT WE CAN EXPECT THAT TO BE COMPLETED? THEY WERE PARKING, THEY WERE IN TOWN LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE AUGUST 14TH.
THEY HAD THEIR CAR DRIVING AROUND, COLLECTING TRAFFIC DATA AND PARKING DATA ALL DAY.
SO THEY'RE STILL ACTIVELY OUT, UH, DOING THE STUDY CURRENTLY FACEBOOK, YEAH, THEY HAD LIKE A CAMERA ON IT AND I THINK WE SHARED ON FACEBOOK IT WAS HAPPENING.
JUST KNOW WE HAD A TIMELINE OR AN ET ONE.
WE COULD EXPECT IT TO GET BACK TO US.
TAKE LEAST MONTH TO TWO MONTHS.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ACCURATE STATEMENT.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK ALL THE INFORMATION THEY GATHERED.
SO JOE, JUST AS A REFRESHER OF THAT DISCUSSION, WHAT YOU WERE ADVOCATING IS CLOSING IT TEMPORARILY ON BOTH ENDS WITH REMOVABLE PLANTERS OR SOMETHING TO THAT DEGREE TO KEEP TRAFFIC FROM FLOWING, BUT IT COULD BE REOPENED AT ANY TIME.
SO RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE PUBLIC FUNDS TO DO THIS EXPANSIVE HARDSCAPE PROJECT.
UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST KEEP IT PERMANENTLY CLOSED IN BETWEEN THE END OF, UH, OR YES, RIGHT THERE AT MAIN STREET TO THE BACK WHERE THE PARKING LOT BEGINS.
AND AS WE FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE, WE CAN DO SOMETHING MORE SIGNIFICANT THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS.
UM, WE WOULD LIKELY, SIMILAR TO OUR OTHER ALLEYS, IT WOULD BE REMOVABLE BOLLARDS OR SOMETHING IN CASE THERE HAD TO BE A MAINTENANCE VEHICLE OR EMERGENCY VEHICLE OR ANYTHING THAT COULD STILL TRAVERSE THAT AREA.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE PERMANENTLY CLOSED TO MOTOR VEHICLES.
UM, BUT AS STATED, THE COUNSEL CAN ALWAYS COME BACK SIX MONTHS LATER.
THE COUNSEL CAN COME BACK IN THE SAME PROCESS AND SAY THIS WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL.
IT'S THE BIG DISTINCTION HERE FROM VACATING THE PUBLIC'S RIGHTS.
YOU VACATED THE PUBLIC'S RIGHTS, THEN RESTORING IT TO THE PUBLIC IS A ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PROCESS.
SO HOW LONG WAS IT? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE REMOVING THE PUBLIC'S RIGHTS COMPLETELY.
THIS IS JUST LIMITING THE USE.
HOW'S IT GONNA BE CLOSED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION? UH, HE STILL HAS HIS RIGHT OF WAY UTILIZATION PERMIT AND THE CONSTRUCTION STILL ONGOING.
UH, YOU KNOW, HE'S STILL GOT HIS BOND IN FURTHER RIGHT OF WAY UTILIZATION.
SO HE'S STILL GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND THEY'RE ANTICIPATING AN OPENING IN SPRING OF 27.
SO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ANOTHER SIX TO NINE MONTHS.
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED FROM THAT ALLEY TO THAT BUILDING.
IF THIS COUNCIL DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD THE DISCONTINUANCE OR THE CLOSURE RATHER OF THIS, THERE WAS A GRANT MENTIONED FROM DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL INC.
I THINK IS WHICH DOWNTOWN FROM ROW.
DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL, WERE, WERE WE ASSUMING THAT WOULD
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PAY FOR EVERYTHING NEEDED TO GET IT WHERE WE ANTICIPATE HAVING IT TEMPORARILY TO START LIKE THE SEEDING AND THE THE PLANNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.DID WE GET AN AMOUNT FOR THAT GRANT? I DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN MY, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A TO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DESIGN.
WE DON'T HAVE AN I, YOU KNOW WHAT WE SAW LIKE SOME PRELIMINARY REPORT.
AND UNTIL, YEAH, WE, WE'D HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT AND SEE WHAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY GET OUT OF THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK RIGHT NOW OUR INTENTION IS TO CLOSE IT.
UM, AND IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A STREET UN UNTIL WE HAD THE FUNDS TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT AT THAT TIME.
UM, BUT IT WOULD THEN BECOME A PEDESTRIAN COURT.
WE WOULD SIGN IT APPROPRIATELY AND IT WOULD BECOME A PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR.
UM, BUT IT JUST WOULDN'T BE, I WOULD SAY RIGHT AT THE MOMENT, AS ATTRACTIVE AS FOSTER ALLEY OR KID.
IT'S A LIMITED CLOSURE JUST TO MOTOR VEHICLES.
ALL RIGHT COUNSEL, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, ANYTHING? UM, HAS STAFF GOTTEN ANY MORE FEE FEEDBACK REGARDING COVID? I'VE RECEIVED, I SHARED AN EMAIL, UM, THAT WAS OPPOSED TO IT.
AND I MADE, UH, PHONE, I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH A BUSINESS OWNER THAT WAS IN SUPPORT.
UM, AND THEN ANOTHER BUSINESS OWNER THAT WAS ALSO IN SUPPORT OF, THOSE ARE THE FEW PHONE CALLS I HAD.
AND BECAUSE THE TWO ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS HAD COMMUNICATED WITH ME PREVIOUSLY, I DID JUST LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS MEETING WAS HAPPENING.
THE OTHER ONE I DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE.
SO THAT WAS THE LIMITED FEEDBACK I'VE RECEIVED AT THIS TIME.
I I, IT'S INTERESTING 'CAUSE SOMETIMES, UH, WE'LL GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC WHERE THEY'LL SEND IT TO JUST ME OR THEY'LL SEND IT TO AND JUST SHARED ONE WITH HER.
THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS JUST TO HER.
AND SOMETIMES I ALMOST WISH WE HAD LIKE A LITTLE CHECKLIST LIKE, 'CAUSE I WAS JUST SAID TO COUNCILMAN
UM, SO ANYWAY, I DON'T, I DON'T, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN, IT COULD HAVE BEEN.
YOU MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN SOME OR, OR LIKE YOU SAYING THAT YOU GOT, YOU GOT THOSE, YOU KNOW.
BUT I WILL SAY ONE THING, WE CERTAINLY GAVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY MM-HMM
AND IT WAS IN THE PRESS, THANKS TO THE PRESS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR ABOUT IT.
AND MAYBE THAT'S HOW WE DID END UP GETTING FEEDBACK.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU I GOT FEEDBACK.
WELL, IT'S PROBABLY ON THOSE LONG WALKS TO TAKE STREET SO PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT.
THEY JUST HAVEN'T SENT JUST VERBAL FEEDBACK.
SEE I WALK IN, I WALK IN A NE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS THAN YOU COMES AROUND.
SO I MIGHT, I I WALK ALL OVER.
MAYBE Y'ALL SHOULD WALK TOGETHER.
NO, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REMEMBER IF WE, IF WE WALK TOGETHER, WE GO FARTHER.
YOU SAY, I COULDN'T HEAR ALL OF YOUR CONVERSATION VIA THE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS ONE.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN I DON'T THINK THEY'VE BEEN OUTSPOKEN TO ME ABOUT IT.
I THINK ONE IS IN FAVOR OF THE OTHER ONE I HAVEN'T RECEIVED MUCH OTHER FEEDBACK FROM, BUT I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING FORMAL FROM THEM IN WRITING ONE.
I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY, BUT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF THE TROUTS BUILDING OWNERS, CORRECT? I HAVE THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD FEEDBACK FROM.
SO I, I'VE GOTTEN A LOT, LOT OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THAT.
AND I THINK THERE'S JUST STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
THERE'S FIVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THAT BUILDING AND THREE OR FOUR COMMERCIAL UNITS IN THAT BUILDING.
SO JUST THE TIMELINE, THE IMPACT, THE, TODAY REVISITING THAT WITH THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING WHERE IT'S GOING TO START OR STOP TO MOTOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC IS UP A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN AESTHETICALLY, BUT THAT THERE'S JUST A LOT OF WHAT IFS STILL.
AND AND THERE'S THE RENDERING, TWO PARKING SPACES ON THAT, ON THAT? NO, THERE'S NO PARKING.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN PARKED ON THAT.
THERE'S PARKING WHEN YOU COME DOWN WHERE WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA CLOSE IT, IT'S GONNA BE FURTHER THAN WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION IS.
'CAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION IS CURRENTLY BLOCKING OFF.
PRIVATELY OWNED PARKING SPACES ON THE RIGHT.
YOU CAN GET TO THEM VERY CHICK FROM BEHIND THE CHURCH AND AROUND THE BACK OF UM MM-HMM
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THE PROPOSAL TO CLOSE.I WANNA OFFER THE SOME, ONE OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I WAS SENT, UM, THERE WAS, UM, AND, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T GET ALL THE SAME INFORMATION OR, OR THEY INTERPRET IT ONE WAY OR NOT.
BUT THERE WAS THIS THOUGHT THAT, THAT THIS WAS GONNA SOMEHOW BENEFIT A BUSINESS AND THAT WE WERE SOMEHOW GOING TO BE BENEFITING A BUSINESS, BUT BUT NOT IN CONSIDERATION OF OTHER BUSINESSES.
AND I, THAT WAS NEVER, THAT WASN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK OF IT LIKE THAT.
I, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T AND AS THOUGH WE WERE SOMEHOW INVESTING IN THAT BUSINESS BY CLOSING THE STREET.
SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE SO THAT ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT OR ADDRESS IT OR WHATEVER, SO THAT YOU ALL KNOW.
THAT'S ONE OF THE FEEDBACKS I GOT.
I DIDN'T RESPOND 'CAUSE IT WAS LAST, LAST MINUTE THING.
SO, UH, RECENTLY I TOOK A, RECENTLY I TOOK A TOUR OF THE BUILDING, UH, WITH THE OWNER, THE DEVELOPER, UH, THE ENTRANCE TO THE MURPHY THEATER ONCE, ONCE IT IS FINISHED, WILL BE FURTHER SOUTH SO IT WILL NOT, THE ENTRANCE TO THE THEATER IS NOT GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THE CLOSURE UP HERE.
SO IF PEOPLE WRONGLY THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA CLOSE OUT, THEY'RE GONNA ENTER THERE.
UM, THE, THE TWO LAST DOORS GOING TOWARDS JACKSON STREET OR WHERE THE ENTRANCES ARE GOING TO BE.
SO THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE AN OPEN STREET, A TWO WAY STREET? IT MIGHT BE, YEAH, IT MIGHT BE ONE WAY.
IT MIGHT BE ONE WAY I GUESS TOWN WILL DECIDE AND LOOPING AROUND THE CHURCH IF IT'S ONE WAY CURRENTLY, ISN'T IT TWO WAY, TWO WAY UP TO THE TROUT CORNER OF THE TROUT BUILDING.
WHEN BEFORE IT WAS CLOSED, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
SO THAT, TO SAY THAT WE'RE DOING IT FOR THAT BUSINESS, UH, THAT WOULD NOT BE TRUE BECAUSE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CLOSURE OF IT'S NOT WHERE THE ENTRANCE AT ALL FOR THE BUILDING.
THE TWO, THE TWO WAY WIDENS, IT'S MUCH WIDER.
THE STREET IS WIDER FROM THE TROUT.
THE FURTHER IT GOES TOWARDS JACKSON, IT WIDENS.
THERE IS, THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF AN ADVANTAGE IN HAVING THE STREET OPEN, UH, FOR TRAFFIC FLOW TO JACKSON, WHICH IT WILL BE WELL IN, IN NOT, IF WE MOVE TO, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MOTOR VEHICLES? TRAFFIC? NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO ESTIMATE, BUT HALF OF IT'S STILL OPEN.
I'M FU SO WE'RE NOT CLOSING IT FROM CHURCH ALL THE WAY TO JACKSON.
IT'S ONLY HALF OF NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM MAINE TO MAINE TO JACKSON, FROM MAINE TO JACKSON.
IT'S NOT, WELL, NOT, IT'S NOT CLOSED THE ENTIRE WIDTH.
IT STOPS AT THE BACK OF THE TROUT BUILDING.
BUT IF YOU'RE EXITING MAIN, OKAY, WELL, YEAH, YOU, THERE'S NO EXIT.
MR. SONIC, IT CAME TO MY, IT CAME TO MY MIND RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION.
UH, THIS, THIS IS, WE'VE DONE A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSING, BUT IT'S OKAY.
IT'S NOT LIKE A LAND USE CASE OR ANYTHING.
YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE JUST MAKING, YOU'RE JUST DECIDING ON POLICY.
I THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR LAND USE, THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS FOR, FOR TO, TO RECEIVE INFORMATION.
I JUST WAS WORRIED THAT WE WERE DOING A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSING AND THAT WE HADN'T MADE A MOTION.
COUNCILMAN
YOU DID? ARE YOU DONE? MM-HMM
I, I, I GOT LIKE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
I JUST, I THOUGHT SOMEBODY ELSE HAD ANOTHER THING TO ASK OR ANSWER OR SAY.
SO ANYWAY, THE PICTURE IN OUR PACKAGE, PAGE 1 26, SHOWS WHERE THE, UH, TRAFFIC BEGINS AT THE PARKING LOT AT THE CORNER OF THE TROUT BUILDING.
SO AGAIN, IF ANYONE IS, UM, CONFUSED ABOUT THAT, AND MR. PETTY, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT DOES SAY THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY WHERE THE TRAFFIC CONTINUES DOWN TO, I GUESS, UM, PAST THE CHURCH.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD ENFORCE THAT, BUT ANYWAY, UM, PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO GO WHERE THEY GO.
BUT, UM, I, I SAW THAT ONCE I OPENED THIS BACK UP.
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IT LOOKS LIKE LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS JACKSON STREET, IT LOOKS LIKE WE SHOW A, A SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING ALONG THE MURPHY BUILDING.I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT CREAM COLOR IS INDICATING THERE, BUT THAT FOLKS IS WHERE THE ENTRANCE ENTRANCE IS, ARE GOING TO BE, UM, UH, IF, IF YOU HEAD NORTH, THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE USED TO BRING THINGS IN OR MOVE THINGS OUT FROM THE THEATER AREA, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO YOU SEE THE, THE ENTRANCES ARE BEFORE THE CLOSED OFF AREA.
SO SOMEONE SAYS TO YOU, WELL THIS IS TO BENEFIT THEM THOUGH THEIR ENTRANCES AREN'T ONTO THIS PROPOSED CLOSED AREA.
THE, THE FEEDBACK I GOT FROM A LOCAL MAIN STREET BUSINESS OWNER WASN'T THAT THEIR ENTRANCES WOULD BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED, BUT WE WERE BASICALLY ESSENTIALLY EXPANDING FREE REAL ESTATE FOR THEIR OVERFLOW OR FOR THEIR WEIGHT CROWD.
UM, AND WE'VE JUST BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS AT THE WORK SESSIONS ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEATING ON MAIN STREET DEALING WITH THAT OR HOW THEY CAN USE THEIR PROPERTY OUTSIDE.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ADD EXTERNAL REAL ESTATE TO THE TWO ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS BUILDINGS.
SO THAT'S THE FEE AS A PASS THROUGH TO MAIN STREET.
WHAT'S THAT? AS A PASS THROUGH A PEDESTRIAN PATH TO MAIN STREET.
BUT THE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THOSE TWO BUSINESSES BEING MORE HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AS A RESULT OF THEM BEING IN THE DIRECT PASS THROUGH VERSUS ONE DOWN AT HIGH STREET, IS THAT WHAT THE NEXT ONE IS? AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE EQUAL.
AND SO THE TOWN IS PICKING AND CHOOSING ALONGSIDE WHICH PROPERTIES IT'S ENHANCING.
THAT'S THE ACCUSATION THAT'S, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK.
THAT'S FACT, THAT'S FEEDBACK THAT I GOT.
I HOPE I ARTICULATED THAT WELL.
MAD MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO OFFER A MOTION.
THE COUNCIL APPROVE THE CLOSURE OF APPROXIMATELY 1932 SQUARE FEET OF CHURCH STREET LOCATED BETWEEN EAST MAIN STREET AND THE PARKING LOT BEHIND 2 0 1 EAST MAIN STREET, A MOTOR VEHICLE USED PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 15.2 DASH 2 0 1 SECOND MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO OFFER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
I, YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT FIRST, RIGHT? WE GO AHEAD.
COUNSEL DENIED THE CLOSURE OF APPROXIMATELY 1,932 SQUARE FEET OF CHURCH STREET LOCATED BETWEEN EAST MAIN STREET AND THE PARKING LOT BEHIND 2 0 1 EAST MAIN STREET TO MOTOR VEHICLE USE PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 0 1 SECOND.
SO WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON
NOW DISCUSSION ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
WHAT IT TAKES THE PLACE IT, IF IT'S PASSED, IT TAKES THE PLACE, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO DISCUSS THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION FIRST.
THE REASON THAT I'M PROPOSING THE DENIAL IS NOT BECAUSE I'M OPPOSED TO THIS.
I'VE SAID THAT PUBLICLY FOR OUR LAST TWO MEETINGS.
HOWEVER, WE JUST HEARD FROM STAFF TONIGHT THAT THE CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO LAST BETWEEN SEVEN TO NINE MORE MONTHS.
THEREFORE WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING DURING THAT TIME.
AND WHAT ONE OF THE LARGEST FEEDBACKS I'VE GOTTEN IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT RIGHT NOW, WHY ARE YOU DOING IT RIGHT NOW? SO IF YOU THINK SEVEN TO NINE MONTHS, WE'RE IN ANOTHER BUDGET CYCLE, WE'VE LIKELY MET AT THE COUN COUNCIL MULTIPLE TIMES AND FOUND OUT WHERE WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET OR WHERE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET.
AND WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE JUST HEARD TONIGHT WILL BE ON OUR DESKS IN FRONT OF US IN LESS THAN SEVEN TO NINE MONTHS.
SO YOU HAVE AN UPDATED TRAFFIC STUDY, YOU HAVE A ALREADY PAID FOR BONDED CLOSURE BY A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO IT IF WE PASS THIS.
SO MY THOUGHT WOULD BE, I WOULD LIKE THIS TO COME BACK BEFORE COUNCIL WHEN WE BUDGETED THE FUNDS, WHEN WE HAVE A PLAN AND WHEN THERE'S NO LONGER CONSTRUCTION, IT'S CLOSED FOR CONSTRUCTION.
NOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO GAIN FEEDBACK WHILE IT'S ALREADY CLOSED.
UH, ONE IS, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO ACT BUDGETARILY AT THIS MOMENT JUST BECAUSE WE VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TONIGHT.
IF WE VOTED FOR, YOU KNOW, TO BE VOTED FOR THE CLOSURE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE BUDGETARILY HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, SEVEN TO NINE MONTHS IS GONNA BE CLOSED.
UM, THE SECOND THING IS, IS, UM, UH, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
I DON'T THINK THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS GONNA HELP US EITHER IN
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SEVEN TO NINE MONTHS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC FLOW BECAUSE THE, THE, IT'S CLOSED, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, WHICH IN 2019 IT WAS OPEN.THE NEW TRAFFIC STUDY DOES NOT HAVE IT OPEN.
SO I DO THINK, AND I DO THINK IT IS, UM, UH, A DISSERVICE TO THE TAXPAYERS IN THIS COMMUNITY TO TAKE ACTION ON AN IMPROVEMENT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONNA BE SEVEN TO NINE MONTHS, IT'S LIKE, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS FOR YOU, BUT WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.
SO JUST KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO IT WHEN WE CAN.
IT'S LIKE ME TELLING MY KIDS LIKE, THE TOOTH FAIR DIDN'T HAVE A DOLLAR LAST NIGHT,
SO IT'S JUST LIKE DANGLING A CARROT.
I AM A BIG PROPONENT AND I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE PEOPLE MAD AT ME FOR MOVING TO DENY IT.
I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE IF IT'S ALREADY CLOSED, WE'RE WAITING ON A TRAFFIC STUDY.
IT'S LIKE A CART BEFORE THE HORSE THING FOR ME.
LIKE IT'S SEVEN TO NINE MORE MONTHS.
THE TRAFFIC STUDY WE JUST HEARD FROM STAFF WILL BE ON OUR DESK BEFORE SEVEN TO NINE MONTHS.
UM, THE THEATER MAY BE UP AND OPERATING BY THEN.
UM, AND I GOT, I GOT AN EMAIL THAT I FORWARDED TO THE MAYOR WHILE I WAS WALKING UP THE STAIRS TO COME HERE TONIGHT OR DOWN THE STAIRS TO GET HERE.
UH, FROM A BUSINESS OWNER WHO HAS BEEN A LONGSTANDING BUSINESS OWNER ON MAIN STREET WHO HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT I HAD NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO I THINK AS IT CONTINUES TO BE DISCUSSED, WE WILL LEARN THINGS AND COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT KEPT ASKING AT THE LAST MEETING AND I WAS THINKING, OH MY GOODNESS, BUT IT'S A TERRIBLE ROAD.
HE KEPT SAYING, WHY CHURCH STREET? LIKE REPEATEDLY YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION, YOU BELABORED THE POINT.
AND I'M LIKE, WHAT IS HE GETTING AT? BUT NOW I'M THINKING, DO WE PRIORITIZE, IF THIS IS SOMETHING CONSISTENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE USE OF OUTDOOR SEATING AND CONGREGATING, UM, HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THAT AND WHY CHURCH STREET FIRST? BECAUSE THAT IS, WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT OUTDOOR DINING, WHICH I KNOW DOESN'T PERTAIN TO THIS, BUT PEOPLE ARE GONNA DINE OUT THERE AND IT'S GONNA BE A PASS THERE FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE TO GO FOOD.
UM, AND SO WE'RE JUST LAST WEEK AND THE WEEK BEFORE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN BRING THESE PEOPLE INTO COMPLIANCE ON MAIN STREET WHILE THEN PICKING CHURCH STREET TO ADD MORE OF THAT SPACE WHILE TALKING ABOUT TAKING AWAY OTHER PEOPLE'S SPACE.
I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION TO BE DISCUSSED AND I DON'T SEE WHY WE'RE PAYING.
THOSE STUDIES ARE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND IN 2019 IT WAS OPEN AND IN 2026 IT'S NOT.
SO WE'LL SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS THERE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THAT TO JUSTIFY OUR ACTIONS ON COUNSEL.
DOMINICAN PAIN, WHERE YOU DONE, UM, WELL, YEAH.
I WANTED TO FIRST COUNT ON HER TWO POINTS, BUT I ALSO, I KNOW THIS, THIS IS NOT GONNA GO OVER WELL, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, PEOPLE NEED TO QUIT BEING JEALOUS FLAT OUT.
IF WE MAKE AN ACTION AND SOMEBODY BENEFITS FROM IT, IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY MEAN YOU DON'T BENEFIT.
THERE IS A VALUE IN HAVING A THEATER IN OUR COMMUNITY AND A VALUE OF PEOPLE CONGREGATING TO GO SEE THAT THEATER.
AND THAT DOESN'T HURT THE OTHER BUSINESSES.
WE STILL HAVE ACCESS TO MAIN STREET.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WANNA BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND BUSINESS SUPPORTIVE.
THEIR TIME WILL COME AROUND, THERE'LL BE A DECISION THAT WILL BE MADE THAT WILL BENEFIT THEM AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S TRY TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT SELECTING IT OUT 'CAUSE I LOVE THE THEATER.
I DO LOVE THE THEATER, BUT, UM, THERE'S OTHER THINGS.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF NICE RESTAURANTS, BUT, AND I WANT TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY DON'T DO SOMETHING BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT BENEFIT, UM, AND SOMEBODY ELSE THINKS THAT THEY'RE NOT BENEFITING.
BUT JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY BENEFITS DOES NOT MEAN YOU'RE HURTING.
AND THAT IS NOT WHY I MADE MY MOTION TO DENY.
I WANT THE THEATER TO BOOM AND DO WELL AND BE SUCCESSFUL.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE OPEN IN SEVEN TO NINE MONTHS.
YOU KNOW, THE THE THEATER IS IS NOT GONNA BE IMPACTED BY THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO OPEN, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE A, A VEGETABLE INSIDE WHERE PEOPLE CAN CONGREGATE AS WELL.
SO, UM, I THINK THE TICKET CENTER IS SUPPOSED TO BE UP NEAR THE, THE FRONT WHERE, UH, JACKSON STREET.
SO, UM, THE PLANS ARE GREAT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY THAT IT'S OPEN.
UH, I THINK WHERE I STAND IS THE INPUT THAT I GOT FROM THE PUBLIC IS THEY WANT THAT STREET OPEN.
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THE FLOW, THE FLOW OF THE TRAFFIC TO CONTINUE.AS I SAID, TWO WEEKS AGO OR WHENEVER IT WAS, IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THE ROAD BEING OPEN AND TRAFFIC CAN FLOW DOWN THERE REGARDING THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
IF THIS BUSINESS IS VERY SUCCESSFUL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF PARKING.
BECAUSE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH PARKING BACK THERE.
SO, UM, THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE ISSUE.
BUT EVERYONE THAT HAS SPOKEN TO ME IN THE EMAIL THAT I GOT BEFORE I WALKED IN HERE TONIGHT, THEY, THEY DON'T WANT THE STREET CLOSED.
AND I WAS ELECTED TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD AND I LISTEN, I'M GONNA LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT'S THE POSITION THAT I'M GONNA TAKE TO
I DO THINK THE ROAD IS BROKEN THOUGH.
I REFERRED TO IT AS A GOAT PATH AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
WELL, WELL IT'S NOT A NICE ROAD.
IT'S NOT A NICE ROAD, BUT YEAH, THERE CAN BE BETTER LIGHTING PUT IN THERE.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE OLD LOOK AND PEOPLE LIKE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, PEOPLE LIKE THAT OLD, OLD LOOK, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE UK AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE.
SO IN NEW YORK CITY, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE.
SO I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT, EVERYTHING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE POLISHED AND, AND SO NEW THAT WE'RE LIKE REST, I WOULD EVENTUALLY LIKE TO SEE IT CLOSE.
I JUST DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE MONEY AND IT'S ALREADY, SO THAT'S MY POSITION.
HONOR, I, I DO WANNA SAY, I THINK THAT THIS LITTLE SPA THAT WAS THERE, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THEIR BUSINESS DID SUFFER BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION CLOSURE CLOSURE.
I MEAN, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEM.
ISN'T THAT WHERE IT WAS? YEAH, BUT THAT THEY WERE CLOSED BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION.
WELL, I, NO, I WALKED, I WENT TO THEM.
THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE CLOSED, BUT THEY WEREN'T
UM, BUT ANYWAY, UM, NOW THEY'RE CLOSED.
CLOSED, BUT YEAH, I KNOW THEY, THEY, THEY WERE DOWN TOWARDS STAFF BY THE TIME CONSTRUCTION STARTED.
SO, UH, UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WANTS OFFERED? WELL, I THOUGHT ON THIS, AND IT IS JUST OPPOSITE OF THE VICE MAYORS, IF WE GO AHEAD AND CLOSE IT NOW, WE KNOW THAT DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL WANTS TO WORK ON GRANTS AND WORK ON FINANCE.
THEY NEVER ASKED THE TOWN TO THROW IN WITH THAT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE DISCUSSION OF, WE DON'T HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR, UH, A COUPLE, UH, PLANNERS ON EACH END WAS ALL MR. PETTY WAS TALKING ABOUT DOING BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK OUT AND WE WANTED TO REOPEN IT.
WE COULD REOPEN IT, BUT IN THINKING AHEAD AND HAVING A VISION, IF WE GO AHEAD AND CLOSE IT, AND THEN DOWNTOWN FRONT ROW CAN BEGIN WORKING ON THIS, WORKING ON A GRANT, YOU'RE A YEAR OUT AT LEAST ANYWAY FROM GETTING THAT.
SO IF WE SAY, OH, WE'RE NOT GONNA CLOSE IT NOW, BUT MAYBE A YEAR FROM NOW, THEN WE'RE DELAYING NOW ANOTHER YEAR AND POSSIBLY GETTING FUNDING OR FINANCING OR A GRANT TO DO THAT AREA.
SO, UM, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE US GO AHEAD AND CLOSE IT OUT.
IT, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT BY HAVING IT CLOSED, THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND WORK ON GETTING FUNDING TO MAKE THAT, UM, WHAT IT COULD BE AND GET A, GET A REAL DESIGN.
WE JUST HAVE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO DID THE DESIGN.
MAYBE YOU JUST PUT SOME TABLES IN THERE TO, IT WAS, IT WAS PROVIDED TO US, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE DOWNTOWN FRONT ROLL INC.
THEY'VE WORKED TOGETHER ON TRYING TO COME UP WITH A CONCEPT JUST TO PRESENT, TAKE THE TIME NOW, OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, VISION IT, AND THEN APPLY FOR THE GRANT.
SO WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION'S DONE, PERHAPS WE CAN GO IN THERE AND MAKE THAT WHAT THE VISION IS FOR THAT.
THE COUNCIL SAYS START COUNCIL AND
BUT IF IT'S GONNA BE STRICTLY A WALKING PATH, THE TOWN'S GONNA HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND TAKE OUT THE CURBS.
BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A TRIP HAZARD FOR PEOPLE WALKING AND WE'RE GONNA END UP BEING SUED FOR IT TO ASK RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN THAT'S JUST, I MEAN THAT'S MY OPINION.
I THINK WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CURVE, THAT'S JUST LIKE WHEN PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT CLOSING MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME TALK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA, WITH MAIN STREETS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THE ASPHALT UP.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT THE, THE DRAINS IN THE MIDDLE AND TAKE ALL THE CURBS OUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF TRIP HAZARDS FOR PEOPLE.
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ABOUT THE MAIN NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ALL YEARS AGO.COUNCILMAN INGRAM? I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS WANNA WELL, I LISTEN WANNA IT, BUT I WANNA GET, I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO THAT'S OKAY.
EVERY TIME I TRY TO CHIME IN, SOMEBODY CHIMES UP.
SO I'M TRYING TO, THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING.
I'M TRYING, I'M BEING A GENTLEMAN HERE.
LISTEN, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.
UH, NOW MY TAKE ON THIS, I I WAS VERY SPLIT ON THIS HONESTLY.
UM, I KNOW WE CLOSED A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE LAST MEETING AND, UH, I I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE THOUGHT WAS THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE MAYBE KEPT THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, UH, TO CONTINUE INTO THIS, INTO THIS MEETING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M HEARING WHATEVER COUNCIL MEMBER IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE POINTS THAT ARE BEING MADE.
APPARENTLY I GOT MAYBE NOT AS MANY EMAILS AS SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS DID.
YOU KNOW, I GOT A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT WERE AGAINST OR GETTING EMAILS FROM PEOPLE CLOSING AGAINST CLOSING IT.
UH, ONE, ONE OF THE EMAILS I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND, WHICH YOU HAD DISCUSSED ABOUT MAYOR ABOUT, AND THE BUSINESS BENEFITING, BENEFITING FROM IT.
UM, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, MY CON MY BIG, MY MY CONCERN NOW, AND THIS WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, BY THE VICE MAYOR AND BROUGHT UP BY BOTH AND, AND, AND, UH, COUNCILMAN DE MONICA PAYNE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, WELL COUNCILMAN WOOD AS WELL, OF COURSE, BUT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TIMING OF THIS BEING CLOSED ALREADY, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A DEFINITIVE TIMELINE OF WHEN THIS IS GONNA BE OPEN AGAIN.
SO I SAID I WAS, I I I'VE PRETTY MUCH RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, EVEN, EVEN FOR BOTH, FOR AND AGAINST IT FROM PUBLIC INPUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN FRONT ROW AIN'T BEING THE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROPONENTS.
OF COURSE WE, OR LESS MEETING.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TIMEFRAME FOR WHEN THIS IS GONNA BE OPEN, BE SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS.
SO I I, MY THOUGHT IS THAT IT'S TWOFOLD.
AND AGAIN, I DUNNO IF SOMEBODY'S EVER THINKING ABOUT THIS, BUT LOOKING AT THIS, IF WE LEAVE THIS, IF THIS IS OPEN, LET'S SAY, LOOK, THIS, LET'S SAY THE THEATER OPENS AND THIS STREET REMAINS A TWO-WAY STREET, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT I'M HOPING TO BE AN OBJECTIVE THOUGHT ON THIS TWO-WAY TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE WITH AN, WITH THE, WITH THE ENTRANCE OF WHERE IT'S GONNA BE FOR THAT THEATER.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE VERY SAFE THAT CLOSE TO A ROAD, I'M JUST SAYING.
UM, BUT AGAIN, HAVING IT CLOSED WITH THE ONE WAY, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT TRICKY ANYWAYS, EVEN WITH, WITH TRAFFIC GOING THAT CLOSE TO THE ENTRANCE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT, THAT POINT KIND OF MOOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A MOOT POINT, I GUESS.
AND JUST FROM, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE OF IT, UM, I WISH WE HAD A MORE DEFINITIVE ANSWER AS FAR AS WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE IT OPEN, UH, I AM LEANING MORE TOWARDS SEEING WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE BUSINESS OPENS AND SEE THE HOW THE, HOW THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC GOES BACK THROUGH THERE.
YOU KNOW, AFTER THE ROAD'S BEING CLOSED FOR A WHILE.
I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT HAD HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT BEING CLOSED NOW FOR CONSTRUCTION.
UM, BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT REALM FOR A REASON FOR CLO FOR CLOSING IT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, AGAIN, I WAS ON THE FENCE, TRULY WAS ON THE FENCE COMING INTO THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M LEANING MORE NOW THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN FIRST.
EITHER THE BUSINESS OPENS OR DO WE, YOU KNOW, OR THE CONSTRUCTION TRACK, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, AREA CODES CLEANED UP WHEN WE CLOSE IT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS CLOSED EVENTUALLY, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN AN IDEA FOR WHAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE TRICKY IF, IF IF THE BUILDING OPENS UP AND PEOPLE ARE LINED UP DOWN THE STREET TO GET INTO IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS TO BE TABLED MYSELF UNTIL THIS OPENS BACK UP.
I KNOW WET SPIEL RIGHT THERE, BUT I WAS MAKING UP FOR ALL THE LISTENING.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WISH TO OFFER ANYTHING BEFORE ACTION IS TAKEN? I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR THE PUBLIC, I MEAN, FOR THE STAFF, FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE.
YEAH, I'M READY TO PULL THE BOAT, BUT I, BECAUSE WE JUST HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PATIO FURNITURE FOR OUTDOOR DINING.
SO IS THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL GONNA BE ABLE TO BE REQUIRED TO REMOVE OR, UM, LOCK UP THE FURNITURE THAT'S
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OUT THERE AT THE END OF EVERY BUSINESS DAY? AND WHAT IS THAT PARAMETER? BECAUSE IT'S ALSO NOT GONNA BE PERMANENT FIXTURE.SO A QUESTION, SO IT'S STILL A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY FOR ANY OUTDOOR DINING THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE, UM, A LICENSE, ENCROACHMENT LICENSE WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT APPOINTMENT? I'M TALKING, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FURNITURE THAT THE TOWN'S PROPOSING PUTTING
I MEAN, WE DON'T, THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE THAT'S NOT PERMANENT.
IT'S JUST ONE OF THE POINTS OF FEEDBACK I'M GETTING ASKED FROM THE
WE'RE DISCUSSING THEIR OUTSIDE PATIO FURNITURE NOT BEING ABLE TO BE BOLTED DOWN, BUT NEEDED TO BE PICKED UP EASILY AFTER BUSINESS HOURS EVERY NIGHT.
SO THAT IS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I RECEIVED, BUT I DIDN'T THINK THE TOWN WOULD REMOVE IT IN THE EVENINGS.
ANYBODY ELSE? I I WILL JUST MENTION THAT, UH, IT'S CLOSED NOW.
PEOPLE ARE USED TO IT BEING CLOSED.
IT'S GONNA BE CLOSED ANOTHER SIX TO NINE MONTHS AT LEAST.
AND IF WE REOPEN THAT AND THEN WANT TO CLOSE IT, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT WORKING, BUT, OKAY.
COUNSEL, UM, GOFO, WE CAN BE CLEAR ON THE MOTION.
CAN NOW REPEAT THE
SO IT WAS A SUBSTITUTE SHOULD READ LAST.
JUST APPARENTLY THIS SOUNDS LIKE MY, IT SOUNDS LIKE MY STREET READ THE WHOLE THING.
WE CAN HAVE A RACE TRACK ON STREET OR CHURCH STREET MOTION, PLEASE.
SO WANT ME TO SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WAS SECONDED AND DISCUSSED AND THAT WAS, I MOVE THAT COUNSEL DENY THE CLOSURE OF APPROXIMATELY 1,932 SQUARE FEET OF CHURCH STREET LOCATED BETWEEN EAST MAIN STREET AND THE PARKING LOT BEHIND 2 0 1 EAST MAIN STREET TO MOTOR VEHICLE USE PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 0 0 1.
THAT'S THE MOTION THAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
ARE YOU READY? COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES.
SO FOR RIGHT NOW, IT'S BEEN DENIED.
ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT ITEM UP IS THE CLOSED MEETING, BY THE WAY, TOO FOR THE PUBLIC.
I JUST WANNA SAY YOU, I HAD ANOTHER MEETING NEXT WEEK.
OH, I JUST HAD FIVE MONDAYS THIS YEAR.
DON'T GO FILED ON YOUR DAYS OFF COUNCIL, BUT
I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CAN MEET A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2 OF THE DAKOTA OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES.
ONE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A, ONE OF DAKOTA OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, OR INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTIONS, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICES, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY THE TOWN ATTORNEY OR SECOND? SECOND.