* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:07] LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. FOR ALL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA. I WILL POINT OUT ON OUR AGENDA ITEM D FOR THE GUEST HOUSE MODIFICATION. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO WITHDRAW HIS APPLICATION, SO WE'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA AS AMENDED. UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO ADOPT THE AGENDA, UM, AS AMENDED, REMOVING ITEM D FROM PUBLIC HEARINGS. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT AND THEIR AGENDAS ADOPTED. NEXT IS THE ADOPTION OF THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES FROM JULY 8TH, 2026. A NOVEL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 20 OR EIGHTH, 2026 MEETING. I SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. A AYE. OPPOSED, UH, MINUTES HAVE BEEN ADOPTED. NEXT ITEM. THIS PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS, PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING AGENDA. IT'S INTENDED FOR OP, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT ON RELATIVE PLANNING ISSUES, NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA BRING UP THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA, PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME, WHERE YOU'RE FROM, AND TELL US WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. MR. JENKINS. . GOOD EVENING. JOHN JENKINS. JOHN FROM DISTRICT. GIMME ONE SECOND, JOHN. THERE WE GO. OKAY. THE, UH, PROPOSED DATA CENTER THAT WAS TO GO OUT ON, UH, ROCKLAND ROAD. THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN, UH, WITHDRAWN. SO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNTY TO RECEIVE TWO POINT MILLION DOLLARS, $2.4 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE IS A LOST CAUSE GONE. SO THE COUNTY NEEDS THAT MONEY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY SPEND MONEY. UH, TAX DOLLARS COME IN, THEY BASICALLY SPEND IT ON WHATEVER THEY WANT WITHOUT, UH, ANY, ANY, ANY, UH, ANY, UH, ANYTHING FROM THE, UH, CITIZENS ON, UH, THEY JUST, I DON'T THINK THEY PAY MUCH ATTENTION ON, ON, ON WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT'S BEEN TOLD TO 'EM. SO LOOK, THEY'RE GOTTA SPEND ANOTHER $30,000, UH, TO RECRUIT ANOTHER COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BECAUSE THE LAST ONE, THEY FORCED TO RESIGN. THEY DIDN'T GIVE HIM A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN SEVERANCE PAY. THEY ALSO, BECAUSE OF THE ACCOUNTING PROCESSES THAT ARE GOING ON, WERE SPENDING $240,000 FOR AN OUTSIDE COMPANY TO BALANCE THE BUDGETS OR REVIEW THE BUDGET AUDIT, AUDIT THE BUDGET. AND THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS ARE STILL EMPLOYED WITH THE COUNTY. UH, I LOOKED AT THE REPORTS LAST WEEK OR LAST MONTH. UH, THERE WAS $9,800 WAS SPENT FOR A LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. UH, $1,500 SPENT ON COW COINS, $3,000 SPENT FOR WEIGHTS AND EXERCISE EQUIPMENT. AND THE, AND THE COUNTY PICNIC SPENT $1,800. NOW LOOK, I'M GOING TO A PICNIC ON SATURDAY, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO DOWN TO KFC AND BUY MY OWN BUCKET OF CHICKEN. SO, YOU KNOW, $1,800, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THAT PARTS WRECK, THE NEW GUY TO COME IN WAS ABLE TO BUY A $75,000 F1 F TWO 50 FORD PICKUP TRUCK. AND THAT GROUP THAT WORKS THERE SPENDS NUMEROUS TRIPS EACH MONTH GOING TO LOWE'S TO BUY MAINTENANCE, UH, TOOLS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY KEEP LOSING THE TOOLS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY FINISH ONE JOB AND THEY THROW 'EM AWAY AND THEY FIGURED OUT THEY HAVE SOMETHING NEW. I DON'T KNOW. AND THEN, UH, FOR TOURISM TOURISM'S A GREAT THING, BUT SPENDING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON COOKIES AND CUPCAKES FOR TOURISTS WHEN THEY COME IN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO MAKE SOMEONE COME BACK AND VISIT FRONT ROYAL. THE FIRE PROTECTION IS IMPORTANT AND EVERYTHING, AND I SUPPORT THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WE NEED NOW AS COMPARED TO FIVE YEARS AGO. FIVE YEARS AGO, I DIDN'T FEEL I, I FELT SAFE LIVING IN THE COUNTY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED ALL THE ADDITIONAL FIRE, FIRE, UH, PERSONNEL. UH, SO THE BOARD CAN RAISE TAXES, DO WHAT THEY WANT, BECAUSE THEY WILL. AND I VOICED MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE SPENDING AND THE TAX INCREASES WITHOUT SUCCESS. SO I'VE EVALUATED MY FINANCES AND MY EXPECTED LIFESPAN, AND I CAN COVER THE INCREASE. SO RAISE THE TAXES THIS COMING YEAR, ANOTHER 20 OR 25% BECAUSE I CAN HANDLE IT AND I JUST HOPE THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY CAN THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE? SEE NO. COME FORWARD. WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. [00:05:02] FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. CUP 20 26 0 7 0 1. SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 2 85 DRY RUN COURT. REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2 85. DRY RUN COURT IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 15 C SECTION ONE BLOCK SIX IS LOT 32. PROPERTY ZONE R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MS. WALL. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM COURSE RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY SHE RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED. THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE HER RETIREMENT HOME. THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR OCCASIONAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL WHILE NOT IN USE FOR HERSELF OR HER FAMILY. IN HOPES OF OFFSETTING THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE SECOND HOME. MR. L WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER RESIDING LESS THAN 30 MILES AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR LAND USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT. THE DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2026 AND THERE ARE NO ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS ON RECORD. THERE ARE 10 APPROVED AND ACTIVE SHORT-TERM TAURUS RENTALS. IN THE SUBJECT SUBDIVISION, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING. THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF. A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE SHENANDOAH FARMS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS. UP TO THIS POINT, WE HAVE RECEIVED MULTIPLE LETTERS OF CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE AVAILABLE TO YOU IN YOUR PACKET. THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. THE CLOSEST BEING 131 FEET TO THE WEST. PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. THE NUM, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 DASH 56.4 B, AND THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. AND LASTLY, NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED ANNUALLY AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICES TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED, I AM NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. I YES THEY ARE. I'M ALSO AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING THEY WISH TO ADD BEFORE WE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, IF YOU, IF YOU DO, PLEASE COME FORWARD. I, OKAY, THANK YOU. YOU SAID EVERYTHING OKAY WITH THAT. I'LL DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. OPEN ARENA ZOFF. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS IRINA ZHAR AND I'M A NEARBY PROPERTY OWNER. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPOSED SHORT TERM, UH, TOURIST RENTAL. MY OBJECTIONS IS NOT TO A AND B IN GENERAL. MY CONCERN IS WHETHER THIS PARTICULAR CONDITIONAL USE IS SAFE AND APPROPRIATE AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. UNDER VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 2283, ZONING DECISIONS ARE INTENDED TO PROMOTE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE. AND THE STATUS SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES A ADEQUATE ACCESS TO FIRE SAFETY, TRAFFIC, CONDUCTION, POLICE AND FIRE PROTECTION, DISASTER EVACUATION, TRANSPORTATION, WATER, SEWAGE, AND DANGER IN TRAVEL AS IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS. THOSE ARE EXACTLY CONCERNS PRESENT ON DRY RUN COURT. I LEAVE NEAR THE END OF DRY RUN COURT. THE PROPOSED RENTAL IS LOCATED BEFORE THE CUL-DE-SAC. HOWEVER, BASED ON MY REPEATED DIRECT OBSERVATION AS A RESIDENT, LARGE DELIVERY TRUCKS DO NOT TURN AROUND ON DRY RUN COURT ITSELF. THEY CONTINUE FURTHER DOWN TO THE CUL-DE-SAC BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY PRACTICAL LOCATION WHERE VEHICLES OF THAT SIZE CAN MAKE A FULL TURN. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS. A FIRE AGENT MAY BE ABLE TO REACH TO EIGHT FIVE JAR IN COURT, BUT IT MUST ALSO BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND SAFELY EXIT THIS DEAD END ROAD. UM, A RESIDENT NEAR CUL-DE-SAC [00:10:01] LAWFULLY PARKS A SEMI-TRUCK TRACTOR ON HIS OWN PROPERTY. WHEN THAT TRACTOR IS PRESENT, THE PRACTICAL MANEUVERING SPACE ON THAT ONLY LARGE VEHICLE TURNAROUND AREA BECOMES EVEN MORE RESTRICTED. UM, THIS CONCERN BECOMES, UH, EVEN GREATER AT NIGHT. UM, THERE IS NO STREET LIGHT ON DRY RUN COURT. THE ROAD IS EXTREMELY DARK. UM, THE ROAD IS FULL OF CURVES, TREES, UM, ROAD EDGES, DRIVEWAYS, PEDESTRIAN CHILDREN AND ANIMALS DIFFICULT TO SEE. UH, FOR SOMEONE WHO IS UNFAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, WINTER CONDITIONS CREATE ANOTHER SERIOUS LIMITATION EVEN AFTER SNOW REMOVAL ACCUMULATED ABOUT SNOW. UH, SUBSTANTIAL REDUCE. THANK YOU. IS THAT, IS THAT MY TIME? THAT'S YOUR TIME. I THOUGHT I HAVE THREE MINUTES. THAT WAS THREE MINUTES. OH, IT WAS THREE MINUTES. THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD. I JUST WANNA SAY ANOTHER THING, UH, REGARDING THE WATER WELL MAY MAKE THREE MINUTES ARE UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY, . YOU GUYS CONTINUE. THAT IS THE END OF THE SIGN UP LIST. OKAY. IS ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK? IT DIDN'T SIGN UP. MY NAME IS WYATT BATES. I LIVE AT TWO 80 RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD HERE. UM, YOU REALLY PICK THE WORST PLACE ON THIS ROAD TO POSSIBLY TRY TO HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS. NOBODY FALLS THE SPEED LIMIT ON THIS ROAD AT ALL. NOBODY THAT'S UNFAMILIAR WITH IT. THEY DO 30, 45 MILES AN HOUR UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. NOW MY HOUSE, 2 82 CHILDREN, ONE OF THEM BEING SPECIAL NEEDS UNDER 10 YEARS OLD HOUSE NEXT TO IT, THREE CHILDREN ALL UNDER 10 YEARS. OLD HOUSE NEXT TO THAT, HIS HOUSE. TWO CHILDREN, BOTH OF 'EM UNDER FIVE YEARS OLD. HER HOUSE. YOU HAVE THREE CHILDREN OR THREE CHILDREN IN THAT HOUSE. THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT. ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU HAVE UMPTEEN MILLION GRANDCHILDREN. THE HOUSE RIGHT THERE, 2 0 9, YOU HAVE THREE GRANDCHILDREN. PEOPLE ARE FLYING UP AND DOWN. THE SUBCONTRACTORS WHO ARE BUILDING THAT HOUSE COULDN'T EVEN FOLLOW THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT. WHY COULD WE EXPECT ANYBODY ELSE TO DO THAT? WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE HOUSE IS BEING BUILT TO BE SOLD, AND THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO WORKED FOR THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR. IT'S BEING BUILT TO BE SOLD. THEN THE HOUSE IS COMPLETELY PUT UP AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S GONNA BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL. WHICH ONE'S THE TRUTH? NOBODY KNOWS. THIS IS NOT A GOOD PLACE TO HAVE THIS AT ALL WITH ALL THE CHILDREN ON THE ROAD. AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT US HERE AND THEY'RE JUST COMING. KIDS DON'T KNOW THEM FROM ADAM. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF. YOU KNOW, ANYBODY CAN RENT AN AIRBNB. THERE'S NO SORT OF VETTING PROCESS FOR AN AIRBNB. THIS IS A HORRIBLE IDEA. IT'S GONNA RUIN OUR QUALITY OF LIFE OUT THERE. I'M GONNA HAVE TO WORRY EVERY TIME MY CHILDREN ARE PLAYING IN THE FRONT YARD OR HELPING ME IN THE GARDEN. THAT SOMETHING SHADYS GOING ON ACROSS THE ROAD. I DON'T BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE ACCEPTED FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, UM, ERIC RIDDELL, UH, LIVE AT 2 5 2. THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. JUST OFF TO THE SIDE THERE. AND, UH, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IF, UH, IF SOMEBODY'S RENTING, UH, HAS A, HAS A RENTAL PROPERTY THAT, UH, THEY'RE RENTING TO SOMEBODY WITHIN THE HOUSE, THEY'RE RENTING, RENTING THE UPSTAIRS, I'VE RENTED THE UPSTAIRS OF THE HOUSE BEFORE. THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF AND PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHO THEY LET IN. UH, I LOOKED UP IN THE, UH, THE APPLICANT THAT IS TRYING TO RENT THIS. THEY LIVE OVER IN WARRINGTON, WHICH IS MORE THAN AN HOUR AWAY. UH, THEY HAVE NO REAL INVESTMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S THE, JUST THE DISTANCE MAKES PEOPLE LESS LIKELY TO, UH, BE AS CONCERNED ABOUT WHO GOES IN AND WHO COMES OUT. AND I'VE LIVED NEXT TO RENTERS MY ENTIRE LIFE. I GREW UP NEXT TO THEM, UH, AT MY PARENTS' HOUSE. THEY, UH, PEOPLE WOULD CYCLE IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME. SOME PEOPLE WERE GOOD, SOME PEOPLE WERE LESS THAN GOOD. AND I MEAN, THERE WAS CONSTANT PROBLEMS WITH THAT JUST ALL THE TIME. AND IT'S JUST, IT PRESENTS A RISK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE PEOPLE COME IN AND GOING. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON IS SAYING THEY WANT TO POTENTIALLY RETIRE THERE LATER. THAT'D BE FINE IF THEY WANT TO MOVE IN AND BECOME A NEIGHBOR. BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TOTAL STRANGERS COMING IN FOR SHORT TERM, I MEAN, THEY COULD BE FROM OUTTA STATE, OUTTA THE COUNTRY, WHO KNOWS. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE, UH, RISK OF THROWING PARTIES OR THEY MIGHT BE DOING ALL SORTS OF STUFF OVER THERE. AND MY DRIVEWAY EXITS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THEIRS AND THERE'S EVERYBODY ELSE'S DRIVEWAY RIGHT ON THAT CORNER, ALL FACES THAT HOUSE. SO [00:15:01] WHATEVER ENDS UP THERE, EVERYBODY ELSE IS GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT. AND, UH, I ALSO NOTED THE, UH, OTHER FIVE, UM, LETTERS OF CONCERN. I DIDN'T SEE ANY LETTERS OF APPROVAL OR AGREEMENT WITH THIS, SO I CAN JUST SECOND EACH ONE OF THOSE LETTERS SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'M ANOTHER ONE ALONG WITH THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? LAST CALL. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. FLOOR IS OPEN. IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT, PLEASE. HELLO EVERYBODY. I WASN'T EXPECTING TO HAVE SUCH PUSHBACK ON FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND, UH, PRIOR RECORDS. COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE? OH, SORRY. YES. LAURA LARSON. OKAY. YEAH, I'M THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE AND MOST OF THE TIME MY FAMILY AND I ARE GONNA BE USING IT. AND I KNOW WHEN I GO UP THIS STREET, IT'S A VERY SHORT WAYS FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TURN ONTO IT, I ACTUALLY DON'T GO TO THE SPEED LIMIT EITHER. I GO WAY BELOW THE SPEED LIMIT BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, NOT ONE WHERE YOU WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE. I FEEL LIKE GOING OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY MORE CONSTRUCTION. SO I'M SURE THAT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT WHILE THERE, THEY WERE THERE AND I INTENDED TO, IF I HAD, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO MEET ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS AND INVITE THEM TO COME TO THE HOUSE AND, UM, GET TO KNOW THEM, I JUST HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DO THAT YET. SO, I'M SORRY TO BE MEETING THEM ON THESE TERMS. I AM HAPPY TO MEET EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE. THAT'S GONNA BE MY NEW NEIGHBOR. UM, BUT IF, IF, I MEAN, I'M NOT READY TO RETIRE YET, SO I DID BUILD THIS HOUSE AND I WILL HAVE TO RENT IT OUT. MY FAMILY AND I WON'T BE ABLE TO USE IT. SO WHETHER IT'S SHORT TERM, TERM OR LONG TERM, IT'S GONNA BE A RENTAL. SO, AND IF IT'S SHORT TERM, IT'S JUST GONNA BE, UM, ONCE OR TWICE A MONTH. AND THE REST OF THE TIME, MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS, I ALREADY HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, A FRIEND THAT'S SELLING THEIR HOUSE AND THEY'RE GONNA STAY THERE FOR A FEW MONTHS. UM, AND I BELIEVE SHORT TERM IS BELOW 30 DAYS. RIGHT. SO, I MEAN, IT'S STILL GONNA BE USED IN THAT WAY. SO I GUESS THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE FIRST ONE WITH ALL THE, WITH THE FIRE TRUCK, THAT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM MINE. AND I DO WANNA ADD ALSO THAT I HAVE A, A REALLY LARGE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY AND THEN ANOTHER DRIVEWAY THAT GOES DOWN. SO THERE WOULD BE PLENTY OF SPACES FOR, NOBODY HAS TO BE NEAR THE ROAD TO PARK. AND WE WOULD SET, UM, RULES AND RESTRICTIONS ON NOISE AND STUFF LIKE THAT IF ANYBODY WERE RENTING IT. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA RENT IT OUT FOR INEXPENSIVE EITHER. SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE WOULD BE, UM, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, NOT TRASHING THE PLACE AND BEING A, A MENACE OR I, I DON'T KNOW. JUST THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PEOPLE I THINK WOULD BE A DIFFERENT LEVEL THAN THAT. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. UM, AND THE STAFF COMMENTS, YOU ALREADY HAVE 10 OF THESE IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH, ANY IDEA WHICH ONE WOULD BE CLOSEST TO THIS? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE. I CAN OKAY. IF YOU GIVE ME JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES, I CAN PULL UP OUR SHORT-TERM TORS RENTAL GIS MAP, IF YOU'LL GIVE ME A COUPLE MOMENTS. OKAY. ALRIGHT THEN. UM, YEAH. ONE THING THAT ALWAYS COMES UP IN THESE THINGS IS PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC ON A VDOT NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD. IT IS ASSUMED THAT THERE WILL BE 10 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY PER HOUSE. IF YOU USE THAT FORMULA HERE, THAT WOULD MEAN ON A WEEKEND THAT WOULD BE LIKE 30 TRIPS. A LONG TERM RENTER WOULD BE 70 TRIPS IN A WEEK. MA'AM, PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED QUESTION. PUBLIC, NO PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED. WE'VE HAD FAIRLY GOOD SUCCESS IN THE PAST. AS WE SAY, THIS IS CONDITIONAL. IF THIS APPLICANT DOES NOT MEET THE CONDITIONS, THIS COULD BE PULLED, IT COULD BE TAKEN AWAY. WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE. I'VE HEARD COMMENTS. ONE, WE MAY PROBABLY NEED TO TWEAK OUR REQUIREMENTS EVEN MORE. MORON IS THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING IN NOISE MONITORS. SO IF SOMEONE DOES HAVE A PARTY AND IT GETS TOO LOUD, THE MONITOR WOULD BEAT THE OWNER IMMEDIATELY. SO SHE COULD CALL THE RENTER AND SAY, TONE IT DOWN. GOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT. I PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSER, MR. CHAIR. THE CLOSEST ONE IS A [00:20:01] MILE AWAY ON FARMS RIVER. OKAY. UM, THERE'S ALSO A COMPETING ONE NEAR VILLE HEIGHTS THAT'S PROBABLY JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, ROUGHLY A MILE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE IS, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO INSTALLING A NOISE MONITOR AT THE PROPERTY? UM, I DUNNO WHAT THAT IS. WELL, IT'S A DEVICE THAT YOU WOULD PUT THAT WOULD MEASURE THE NOISE LEVELS THAT COULD REPORT TO YOUR PROPERTY MANAGER ON THEIR CELL PHONE IF THEY WOULD ATTACH THE SOFTWARE TO DO THAT, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S NOT A LISTENING DEVICE, BUT IF THERE'S ANY RAISED NOISE LEVELS NOW IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ALREADY A TRAFFIC ISSUE AT THE AREA ANYWAY WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING TOO FAST. WELL, THAT'S AN EXISTING PROBLEM THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MA MONITORED AND TAKEN CARE OF SOONER. I CAN'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN BLAME THIS SITUATION FOR SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN EXISTING THE, THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY LOOKED AT. AND THAT'S USUALLY A QUESTION WITH THESE THINGS. SO I I MM-HMM . THAT QUESTION'S BEEN ANSWERED. UM, THE TRAFFIC OBVIOUSLY IS OKAY BECAUSE THE HOUSE WAS APPROVED TO BE BUILT THERE. IF THERE IS A NUMBER TO CALL TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IF THE LAW IS BROKE, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, I MEAN THERE IS A REGULAR KELLY, ISN'T THAT, ISN'T THERE A PARTICULAR NUMBER THAT YOU CAN CALL THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT FOR COMPLAINTS? MM-HMM . NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE SHORT TERM TORCH RENTALS. I DO BELIEVE THEY HAVE A COMPLAINT LINE. UM, WE ALSO HAVE A, NO MATTER WHAT YOU CAN CALL THAT NUMBER MM-HMM . IT'S NON-EMERGENCY LINE. MM-HMM . WE ALSO DO HAVE A COMPLAINT FORM. PEOPLE CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS IF THEY SO CHOOSE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE. THOSE ONCE SUBMITTED ARE IMMEDIATELY IN OUR PLANNING INBOX AND UNDER REVIEW, WITHIN 24 HOURS, UM, STAFF REACHES OUT TO THE HOMEOWNER TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A COMPLAINT AND WE'LL ASK FOR SOME SORT OF ABILITY TO REMEDIATE THE ISSUE MOVING FORWARD. SO IF THERE ARE A NUMBER OF VALID, VALID COMPLAINTS, THIS CAN BE PULLED. YES. MM-HMM . UH, THE PROCESS WOULD BE THAT THIS PERMIT CAN BE REVOKED. YES. THERE'S A FORMAL PROCESS TO THAT. THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS TO WRITE A FORMAL LETTER TO THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT WE ARE BEGINNING THE REVOCATION PROCESS TO WHICH THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO RESPOND WHETHER THERE'S A RESPONSE OR NOT. WE THEN BRING IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. ONLY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CAN REVOKE THE CUP AND IT WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. SO WITH THAT BEING THE CASE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTUALLY HAS BETTER CONTROL THAN IF SHE WERE TO RENT IT OUT LONG TERM FOR SIX MONTHS OR YEARLY RENTAL. THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD HAVE MORE INPUT OR BETTER CONTROL ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IDEALLY YES. UM, IT WOULD INVOLVE THEM HAVING TO COME TO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT YES. YEAH, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THERE TOO. WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS, WE DON'T ALLOW FIRE PITS. WE DON'T ALLOW ATVS FIREARMS. WE DON'T ALLOW FIREARMS. YOU CAN'T RESTRICT THAT ON A LONG TERM RENTER TO THE VETTING THAT THESE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL MANAGEMENT COMPANIES. SO I TRAVEL WITH MY DOG AND SHE'S AN IRISH WOLF FARM, SO IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH HER, IF SHE WAS STANDING NEXT TO ME RIGHT NOW, HER HEAD WOULD BE RIGHT HERE. UH, TALL DOGS, THE, UH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF 'EM. SO THERE'S MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT IT. WHEN I RENTED A PLACE OUT IN THE MIDWEST THAT I WAS REFERRED TO BY MY NIECE WHO DOES AGILITY WITH THIS WOMAN, A KC AGILITY, SHE ACTUALLY CALLED THE A-K-C-A-K-C CALLED ME AND SAID SHE WANTS US TO RELEASE HER TRAINING RECORDS. SO SHE WAS VERIFYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT TRAINING SHE HAD, THEY ACTUALLY DO VET OWNERS. THE OTHER THING IS AN OWNER, OR I'M SORRY, A RENTER GETS A PROFILE. SO IF YOU GO OUT ON, I FORGET, I'VE GOT A COUPLE DIFFERENT PROFILES OUT THERE, BUT MY DOG'S ALSO GOT A PROFILE. NOW THEY, THEY GO THAT FAR INTO IT. SO THERE, THERE IS SOME VETTING. DOES IT GET EVERYTHING? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW WHAT THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, THE VETTING THEY'VE DONE ON ME. SO, UH, THERE IS SOME KIND OF VETTING THERE, BUT YES, THE, IF THERE IS A VIOLATION, ACTUALLY THE NOISE LIMIT [00:25:01] OUT, UH, AT THE PROPERTY LINE'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE MORE THAN A 76 DECIBELS. THAT'S JUST SLIGHTLY ABOVE NORMAL SPEAKING LEVEL. SO IF THAT HAPPENS, THAT'S SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE COUNTY LEVEL. IF YOU SEE FIRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT GOING ON THERE, THAT'S WHEN YOU NEED TO CALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. AND WE'VE TALKED WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO COORDINATE THOSE COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN THOSE CALLS THEY MAKE, UH, TO THE COUNTY. SO WE KNOW ABOUT 'EM. SO THEY'RE LIKE, THEY WERE POINTING OUT THERE ARE CONTROLS TO IT. SO I HAVE NOTHING ELSE. OKAY. I DON'T EITHER. SO ONLY ORDERED SMITH'S CARE TO MAKE A MOTION. I HAVE, I PULLED UP SCOTT, WELL HOLD ON. I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARDS THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 20 26 0 7 0 1 FOR SHORT TERM TOURISTS RENTAL WITH AND CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. BEFORE WE VOTE, I WILL TELL YOU THAT OUR VOTE IS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND HOWEVER WE VOTE IT'LL BE FORWARDED ON TO THEM AND THEY'LL TAKE IT UP PROBABLY IN ABOUT A MONTH. SO WITH THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT AND BE FORWARDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT ITEM, CUP 20 26 0 7 0 2 PRIVATE USE CAMPGROUND ZERO RIVERMONT RIVERMONT ACRES ROAD REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PRIVATE USE. CAMPING PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN RIVERMONT ACRES ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 19 F1, SECTION ONE AS LOT 16 C. THE PROPERTY IS OWNED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN THE FIDDLER'S GREEN SUBDIVISION ON THE, IN THE FORK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AS WELL. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING ON THEIR LOT IN THE FIDDLER'S GREEN SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. THE APPLICANT'S PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN NOVEMBER OF 2024, ALONG WITH THREE ADJOINING PARCELS THAT ARE NOT A PART OF THIS APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO USE PARCEL 16 C FOR CAMPING DURING THE SUMMER SEASON WITH THEIR FAMILY. THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY OTHER PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, NOR ARE THERE ANY ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS ON RECORD. THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR OTHER ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING ALONG RIVERMONT ACRES ROAD. I CAN'T TELL IF THEY'RE MOTORCYCLES OR THUNDER. I THINK THEY'RE MOTORCYCLES. SOUNDS LIKE A HARLEY. PRIVATE USE. CAMPING IS DEFINED BY THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE AS NO MORE THAN TWO MAJOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES USED FOR LIVING, SLEEPING, OR OTHER OCCUPANCY ON ANY LOT OR COMBINATION OF LOTS UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP. PROVIDED THAT SUCH USE IS LIMITED TO THE OWNER, FAMILY MEMBERS OR GUEST AND NO FEE IS CHARGED FOR CAMPING PLANNING, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CAMPERS ARE TO BE STORED IN A NEAT AND ORDERLY FASHION DURING THE TIME OF USE IN ORDER TO BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE WHEN NOT IN USE ANY DEVELOPMENT STRUCTURE OR FENCING WITHIN THE SPECIAL, UH, FLOOD HAZARD AREA SHALL BE REQUIRED A BUILDING AND ZONING PERMIT. AND LASTLY, THE APPLICANT SHALL POST THE PROPERTY WITH A LOT PARCEL NUMBER FOR FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESCUE SERVICES AND HAVE AN EMERGENCY EGRESS PLAN FOR REMOVAL OF THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AND PORTABLE COMMODE PRIOR TO A PREDICTED FLOOD EVENT. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND I AM AVAILABLE. I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING, IF YOU, EXCUSE ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. OKAY. DOES APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING? NO. OKAY. WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. NOBODY SIGNED UP. ANYBODY CARE TO SPEAK PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. WELL, I RODE DOWN BY THERE AND, AND LOOKED AT IT. I MEAN, IT'S IDEAL SPOT AND LAKEY. MM-HMM . WOULD HAVE, THERE'S ALREADY A COUPLE OF CAMPSITE THERE MM-HMM . UM, THERE'S NO THROUGH TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD. IF IT'S THE ROAD I'M THINKING ABOUT WHERE IT'S DOWN. IT'S A DEAD END. YEAH. IT'S A DEAD END. MM-HMM . UM, SO I WAS ON THE RIGHT ROADS. YEAH. , . SO IT IT'S EXCELLENT FOR A CAMPSITE. UM, I WOULD HAVE, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT. YEAH, I DON'T EITHER. OKAY. UH, JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO YOU SAID THEY OWN ADDITIONAL ADJACENT LOTS MM-HMM . AND WITH, UH, PRIVATE USE CAMPING. UM, NO MORE THAN TWO MAJOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES USED FOR SLEEPING THE OTHER OCCUPANCY ON ANY LOT OR COMBINATION OF LOTS. SO THE FACT [00:30:01] THAT THERE ARE OTHER PARCELS AREN'T PART OF THIS APPLICATION WOULD STILL, THEY THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET ADDITIONAL CAMP SITES ON THE OTHER LOTS. IT WOULD JUST KIND OF PRESERVE THEIR ABILITY TO SELL AND, AND SOMEBODY ELSE COULD HAVE A PRIVATE USE CAMPGROUND. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. JASON, DO YOU WANT TO, I MEAN, THE APPLICATION IS ONLY FOR THIS PARCEL, THIS LOT, SO YES. ONE LOT. YEAH. YOU DON'T GET TO USE THE OTHER LOTS IF THAT'S THE QUESTION. NO, NO, NO. YEAH, THEY COULDN'T COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND, AND WANT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO PUT TWO MORE VEHICLES ON THE LOT NEXT DOOR. SO I DON'T KNOW THIS APPLICANT'S, UM, PARTICULARS, BUT IF YOU HAVE A LARGE FAMILY, EVERYBODY, WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU DO WITH THIS ONE DOES NOT SET A PRECEDENT TO WHAT YOU DO OTHERWISE. OKAY. THE, THE WAY WE PHRASE PRIVATE USE CAMPING IS THAT IT'S, UM, ON ANY LOT OR COMBINATION OF LOTS UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP. SO I, I WOULD READ THAT IF, IF THE APPLICANT HAD MADE A, UH, PRIVATE USE, IF THIS APPLICATION HAD INCLUDED LIKE TWO OR THREE LOTS OKAY. THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD READ THAT. SO THAT THAT COMBINATION WOULD NEED TO BE SPECIFIED IN THE APPLICATION. OKAY. THIS ONLY APPLIES TO THIS LOT. OKAY. AND WHATEVER YOU DO WITH THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY LEGAL PRESIDENTIAL VALUE WITH RESPECT TO OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPENED THERE. NOW, IN MY PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, I MEAN, MR. CHAIRMAN ASKED THE QUESTION TO, TO MRS. WALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WITH REGARD TO THE LAST ONE ON THE SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL, BUT LEGALLY, NO, IT'S EACH ONE IS THE CASE BY CASE. JUST HAD A QUESTION BECAUSE OF THE, THE WAY IT'S WORDED AND YEAH, I THINK IT'S MEANT TO ENCOMPASS IF THIS APPLICATION HAD INCLUDED OTHER ODDS TOO. EVERY SIX OTHER, YEAH. YEAH, SURE. THANK YOU. BUT, UH, IN GENERAL I'M IN FAVOR. IT'S, UH, IT'S GOOD USE. OKAY. ANYONE'S READY TO MAKE A MOTION? YEAH. UP HERE. THIS THING GOES TO SLEEP. ONLY ME , MY WIFE SAYS THAT ABOUT ME. . OKAY. UH, I RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2026 DASH OH 7 0 2 FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? A SO BE FORWARD ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM, ITEM C 20 26 0 7 0 1. IT'S ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR RURAL AGING IN PLACE COMMUNITY. AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C TO ADD A NEW DEFINITION FOR AGING IN PLACE COMMUNITY TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 20 1D TO ADD AGING IN PLACE COMMUNITY AS A NEW USE ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT. AND TO ENACT 180 SUBSECTION 180 DASH 55.5 TO ADD NEW SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS FOR AGING IN PLACE COMMUNITY KELLY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 DASH 61 A ONE ALLOWS FOR ANY AMENDMENT TO BE INITIATED IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER. PROPERTY OWNER'S PETITION BY THE FILING OF PETITION WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR ANY OWNER OR OWNER OWNERS OF LAND CONTRACT PURCHASER WITH OWNER'S WRITTEN CONSENT OR THE OWNER'S AGENT MAY INITIATE A PROPOSITION TO AMEND OR REZONE. SUCH PETITION SHALL BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND SHALL BE COMPLETED ON A STANDARD FORM PROVIDED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR ALONG WITH SUCH ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTATION AS MAY BE REQUIRED AND ACCOMPANIED BY REASONABLE FEE TO BE DETERMINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FEE SCHEDULE. THE PROPOSED DEFINITION FOR AGING IN PLACE IS A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, DESIGNED AND INTENDED TO PROVIDE INDEPENDENT LIVING ACCOMMODATIONS FOR OLDER PERSONS WITHIN A RURAL SETTING THAT PRESERVES OPEN SPACE, AGRICULTURAL CHARACTER AND NATURAL RESOURCES. A RURAL AGING IN PLACE COMMUNITY CONSISTS OF DETACHED OR ATTACHED DWELLING UNITS DESIGNED FOR AGING IN PLACE AND MAY INCLUDE COMMON OPEN SPACE, COMMUNITY BUILDINGS, WELLNESS AMENITIES, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, WALKING TRAILS, AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES INTENDED TO ENHANCE THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND QUALITY OF LIFE OF RESIDENTS. SUCH COMMUNITIES SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED ASSISTING ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, NURSING HOMES, OR HOSPITALS OR OTHER INSTITUTIONAL USES AND RESIDENTS SHALL MAINTAIN INDEPENDENT OCCUPANCY OF INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS. ANY MEDICAL, PERSONAL CARE OR SUPPORTIVE SERVICES REQUIRING LICENSURE BY THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA SHALL BE PROVIDED ONLY BY APPROPRIATELY LICENSED ENTITIES. THE COMMUNITY, FACILITIES AND AMENITIES SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS AS SET FORTH IN 180 DASH 55.5 OF THIS CHAPTER. THE PROPOSED SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR RURAL AGING IN PLACE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THESE REGULATIONS ARE INTENDED TO PRESERVE THE COUNTY'S RURAL AND AGRICULTURAL CHARACTER WHILE PROVIDING HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OLDER ADULT ADULTS. THE STANDARDS ADDRESS MINIMUM PARCEL SIZE, DENSITY, OPEN SPACE CONSERVATION, ACTIVE AGRICULTURAL FEATURES, AGE RESTRICTIONS REQUIRED COMMUNITY AMENITIES, TRANSPORTATION ACCESS, UTILITY REQUIREMENTS, [00:35:02] EMERGENCY RESPONSE COORDINATION, ONSITE MANAGEMENT, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AND SITE DESIGN TO SUPPORT AGING IN PLACE. THE REGULATIONS ARE INTENDED TO DISTINGUISH A RURAL AGING IN PLACE COMMUNITY FROM CONVENTIONAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS AND ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE WARREN COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE WARREN COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CHAPTER FOUR, GROWTH MANAGEMENT HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STATES THE AGING POPULATION THROUGHOUT PROTECTED PROJECTED TO GROW EXPONENTIALLY BETWEEN NOW AND 2030 DUE TO THE ONSET OF THE RETIREMENT AGE OF THE BABY BOOMER GENERATION. WITH THIS INCREASED VERY DIFFERENT NEEDS FOR HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION FOR THIS DEMOGRAPHIC SECTOR WILL DEVELOP, THE COUNTY MAY NEED TO ADOPT MORE FLEXIBLE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION POLICIES THAT WOULD HELP FOSTER A DIVERSE RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES, INCLUDING DUPLEXES, CONDOMINIUMS, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, AGE RESTRICTED, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, ASSISTED LIVING RESIDENCES, CONTINUING CARE, RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES, AND CONGREGATE HOUSING. FURTHERMORE, CHAPTER FOUR, GROWTH MANAGEMENT HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GOAL. ONE STATES TO PROVIDE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT OFFER QUALITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT DOES NOT DEPLETE COUNTY RESOURCES AND PROTECTS RURAL CHARACTER. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. OKAY. DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? I'M SHELLY COOK, AND I THINK I'M SUPPOSED TO SAY I'M IN THE FORK DISTRICT. SO I HAVE, UM, BEEN HERE MOST OF MY LIFE SINCE 1974 AND I ADOPT, I BUILT LOVING ARMS ASSISTED LIVING AND THEN REPURCHASED IT BACK BECAUSE IT WAS GONNA BE PLACED FOR SALE LAST YEAR. AND WE NOW CALL THAT ST. ANN'S. PART OF WHAT I'VE FOUND IS 26 YEARS AS A NURSE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING FOR OUR SENIORS. I CAME TO THE BOARD AND I WAS APPROVED FOR 50 SHORT TERM RENTAL UNITS. I THINK IT'S CALLED KELLY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE RURAL RESORT CENTER. RURAL RESORT CENTER. SO I ALREADY HAD THE DENSITY. WHEN I CAME BACK TO THE BOARD, I CAME TO KELLY, I SAID, LOOK, I JUST, I WANNA CHANGE 'EM SO I CAN USE 'EM IN COLLABORATION WITH ST. ANNE'S SO THAT I COULD HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME TO THE VINEYARD, BUT YET NOT JUST BE THERE FOR A WEEKEND. UM, I WANTED TO OFFER THESE TO PEOPLE THAT LIKE, LIKE FREDERICK PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO ME AND APPROACHED ME AND SAID, LOOK, I, WE'VE LEFT THE COUNTY BECAUSE THERE IS NO AVAILABLE HOUSING FOR US. SO I PUT MY THINKING CAP ON AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD OFFER THE SERVICES. WE'RE LITERALLY ON ALMOST THE SAME TRACK OF LAND. IT'S JUST BASICALLY THROUGH THE FIELD AND WHAT A WONDERFUL SITUATION WE HAVE, IF WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, TO COLLABORATE WITH SERVICES WITH THE ASSISTED LIVING, BUT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO AGE IN PLACE IN THEIR HOME. I DID HAVE SOME MODELS THAT I COULD HAVE SHOWN YOU, BUT BECAUSE OF AI TECHNOLOGY THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING WITH DEVELOPERS TO GO IN THE HOUSES TO ALLOW THEM TO BE SAFER, I WASN'T ALLOWED TO SHARE THAT TONIGHT, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, BUT IT WILL NOT BE ANY MORE DENSITY THAN WHAT THE RURAL RESORT WOULD'VE BEEN. I'M ALREADY APPROVED FOR THAT. SO I'M NOT BUILDING ANY MORE HOUSES THAN I WOULD'VE, I'M JUST ADDING A WELLNESS CENTER THAT WOULD BE USED BY THEM. SO I'M WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE AND WANNA COME BACK UP. YOU COME UP. THANK YOU. WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? CHRIS ANDERSON. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRIS ANDERSON. I AM THE PAGE AND WARREN COUNTY COORDINATOR FOR ALLIANCE FOR THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY. WE HAVE OUR OFFICES LOCATED AT 94 85 SOUTH CONGRESS STREET IN NEW MARKET. UH, THOUGH THE CONCEPT OF A RURAL AGING IN PLACE COMMUNITY IS GOOD AND MAY WORK WELL IN THE LOCATION WHERE IT IS BEING PROPOSED AND BEING KEEPING WITH THE HIGH STANDARDS THAT THIS LOCAL DEVELOPER HAS DEMONSTRATED. THIS ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT APPLIES TO ALL THE AGRICULTURAL ZONED AREA IN THE ENTIRETY OF WARREN COUNTY. THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, ANY 25 ACRE PARCEL LANDOWNER ACROSS THE COUNTY COULD APPLY FOR A CUP FOR AN AGING IN PLACE COMMUNITY WITH UP TO 50 HOMES SERVED BY ITS OWN WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS. IF MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT AVAILABLE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR THIS TYPE OF DENSITY TO BE GUIDED TOWARDS THE TOWN AND BE SERVED BY MUNICIPAL WATER AND SEWER. UM, [00:40:01] I HAVE HEARD SOME CONCERNS FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, ABOUT THIS TEXT AMENDMENT AND THE EFFECTS ON AGRICULTURE, UM, AS WELL AS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. AND IN ADDITION, THE AMOUNT OF THE AGRICULTURAL PRACTICES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO QUALIFY. UM, THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT EVERY RURAL AGING IN PLACE COMMUNITY SHALL INCORPORATE AT LEAST ONE ACTIVE AGRICULTURAL FEATURE DESIGNED TO PRESERVE AND PROMOTE THE AGRICULTURAL CHARACTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS TURNED DETERMINED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. UH, THESE PRACTICES INCLUDE VINEYARDS, ORCHARDS, APIARIES, DEMONSTRATION, FARMS, CROP ROTATION, UH, LIVESTOCK GRAZING, ET CETERA. HOWEVER, THERE'S NO DETAIL ABOUT HOW SIGNIFICANT THESE AGRICULTURAL PRACTICES NEED TO BE IN TERMS OF PER PERCENTAGE OF LAND FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, ANNUAL REVENUE MINIMUMS, ET CETERA. WHAT IS TO KEEP ANOTHER APPLICANT FROM INSTALLING A TOKEN FEATURE LIKE A COUPLE OF BEEHIVES IN ORDER TO BE, TO BE ABLE TO BUILD 50 HOMES ON 25 ACRES WITH ITS OWN, UH, WELL AND SEPTIC FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS COULD HAPPEN IN BROWNTOWN AND ROCKLAND, UH, ANY OF OUR CORE, UH, AGRICULTURAL AREAS OF WARREN COUNTY. UM, SO AGAIN, THE ZONING AMENDMENT, UM, MAY WORK VERY WELL IN THE LOCATION THAT, UH, THIS APPLICANT, UH, IS, IS DESIRING TO HAVE IT, BUT IT PERTAINS TO THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND I THINK IT COULD HAVE SOME VERY NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES. THEREFORE, I URGE YOU TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT AND THE, THE CONCEPT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? HEARING THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED? ANYONE? SHELLY, YOU CARE FOR A REBUTTAL? SHELLY COOK? UM, I RESPECT WHAT SHE SAID. TOTALLY. UM, IT WAS PART OF THE FEAR THAT I HAD IN BRINGING THIS IN. I WORKED WITH KELLY. YOU KNOW, I HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT IS A DISCHARGE SYSTEM THROUGH DEQ ALREADY IN PLACE THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS. I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S VERY HARD TO HAVE THE AMOUNT OF SEPTIC THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THIS MANY HOMES WITHOUT THAT. I HAVE 20,000 GALLONS A DAY. SO PART OF, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE FEAR BASE BECAUSE FARMS ARE SHRINKING AND GOING AWAY. UM, BUT WE ALSO NEED A PLACE FOR HOUSING. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT STIPULATIONS NEED TO BE PLACED TO GOVERN THAT, TO PROTECT THE FARMLANDS. UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO PROTECT OUR AGED AND THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE. UM, I ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING WELL, SO I DON'T NEED THAT. I'VE HAD A HYDROGEOLOGY MAP STUDIES OVER MY FARM. I HAVEN'T GONE ABOUT THIS LIGHTLY. I'VE TAKEN EVERY STEP VERY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE I RESPECT NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY, BUT THE LAND MY GRANDFATHER LEFT ME. SO I DO UNDERSTAND AND HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR THE YOUNG LADY, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S A WAY TO ACHIEVE EVERYTHING DIPLOMATICALLY WHILE PRESERVING OUR LAND. THANK YOU. KELLY. WHEN YOU WERE WRITING THIS UP, DID YOU RESEARCH ANY OF THE OTHER LOCALITIES? THERE IS NONE. UM, THERE'S NONE. SO NOT IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. I, I I'D RECOMMEND THAT YOU REACH OUT TO AUGUSTA COUNTY. AUGUSTA. MY FATHER-IN-LAW LIVES IN ONE OF THESE IN STEWART'S DRAFT, AND IT'S SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY FARMS AND IN ONE SIDE BY AN INDUSTRIAL AREA. WHAT IS IT ZONED? I DO NOT KNOW. OKAY. I'LL, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BEEN A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THAT I'VE THOUGHT OF WHEN I'D SEE 'EM, BUT, BUT IT DOES TEND TO WORK THERE. I MEAN, YOU'RE RIDING ALONG AND A LOT OF IT LOOKS LIKE APARTMENTS OR IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE DUPLEXES ARE TRIPLEXES, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS IN A RURAL AREA, BUT, BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN, IT TENDS TO WORK WELL. SO I I WOULD SAY WE, WE PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD HAVE A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT ALREADY. UM, OUR PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR ACTIVE ADULTS AND AGE RESTRICTED, UM, BUT THAT IS IN THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WE, IN OUR CODE CALL OUT AS A A HIGHER DENSITY ZONE. I, I DON'T FEEL THAT, THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. I THINK THE DENSITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, IN THE CASE OF 50 UNITS ON [00:45:01] 25 ACRES, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, ONE UNIT EVERY HALF ACRE MM-HMM . AND THE AG, OUR, OUR MINIMUM IS A TWO ACRE LOT. AND EVEN IN OUR CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS, YOU'D BE TALKING ABOUT A ONE ACRE IN THE AG, AND THEN IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CLUSTER, UH, IN THE AG, IT REQUIRES 60% OPEN SPACE. WHEREAS THIS, UM, TEXT AMENDMENT PROPOSAL IS CALLING FOR 25% OPEN SPACE. THAT'S EVEN LOWER THAN IF YOU WERE DOING CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT IN THE R ONE, WHICH WOULD BE 30%. I JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS DENSITY FITS IN THE AGRICULTURAL. AND WHILE I THINK THE CONCEPT PLAN, UM, THAT WAS PRESENTED, IT IS, IS GREAT. UM, IT, IT LOOKS VERY NICE. I JUST, THIS IS NOT FOR ONE PROJECT. THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. ENTIRE COUNTY. RIGHT. YEAH, I, I HAD CONCERNS WITH IT, UH, WITH THE LOSING AG, BUT I GOT A, A QUESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE ANSWER. THE FARMS WE HAVE ARE ON THE SMALLER SIDE. SMALL FARMS USUALLY HAVE FINANCIAL ISSUES OR STRUGGLE. DO WE HAVE FARMS FAILING? CAN YOU REPEAT? I COULDN'T HEAR THAT LAST PART. DO WE HAVE FARMS FAILING? I HAVE NO IDEA. YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, LET'S GO INTO THE COURTS AND LOOK AT BANKRUPTCIES, BUT YEAH, THE, THE CONCERN IS IF AGRICULTURAL FAILS, YOU KNOW, THEN WE'RE GETTING A, YOU KNOW, LARGE DEVELOPMENT NEAR, WE'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THE, THIS MIGHT SAVE SOME OF THE FAILING FARMS, BUT IF THE FAILING FARM CAN AFFORD TO DO THIS, BECAUSE KELLY, YOU GOT A PRETTY SUCCESSFUL OPERATION DOWN THERE. WELL, I'M ALREADY APPROVED FOR THE YEAH, . YEAH. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE, THIS WHOLE THING. NO, NO, NO. I'M ASKING MORE. I GO MORE NO, BUT WE'RE, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE COUNTY, NOT, NOT YOUR PROJECT. THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE HERE. MM-HMM. THE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR LOOKING AT THE FULL COUNTY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOSE A LOT OF FARMS, BUT WE COULD, THIS PRESERVE FARMS LIKE THE TOURISM AG TOURISM HAS OR HELPED. I DO HAVE SOME STATS I CAN PROVIDE. IT'S NOT GOING TO DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. UM, WHEN WE UPDATED OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE ADDED AGRITOURISM MM-HMM . AND WITHIN THAT, ACCORDING TO THE MOST RECENT CENSUS OF AGRICULTURE, WHICH WAS 2022, WE HAD 316 FARMS OPERATING OVER 37,000 AC ACRES ACTIVE IN WARREN COUNTY. SO MORE THAN A QUARTER OF THE COUNTY'S TOTAL LAND AREA. AND THEY COLLECTIVELY SOLD ALMOST $9 MILLION OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS WHERE APPROXIMATELY 70% WERE EARNED THROUGH THE SALE OF LIVESTOCK, POULTRY AND PRODUCTS. AND 30% THROUGH THE SALE OF CROPS, OVER 60% OF WARREN COUNTY LAND IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A DIRECT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT IS SOME ADDITIONAL DATA. YEAH. SO ABOUT $300,000 PER FARM, PLUS ALL OUT OF THAT COMES ALL THE EXPENSES. SO I BET YOU THE OWNER OF THE FARM'S PUTTING ABOUT 30,000, 40,000 IN THEIR POCKET, YOU'RE LUCKY IF, YEAH. SO YES, THAT'S MY CONCERN. COULD THIS BE THE NEXT AG TOURISM IF DONE PROPERLY? NOW WE HAVE HER PLAN. WE KNOW IF SHE'S, PLUS WE KNOW WHAT SHE'S CAPABLE OF. I, I WOULD THINK SHE WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE NEXT ONES. THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS WOULD ALLOW A MUCH CLOSER EVALUATION WITH THIS ZONING AMENDMENT AS BROADER IT AS BROAD AS IT IS THROUGH THE CDP. CAN IT BE RESTRICTED? CAN IT BE RESTRICTED? YES. NARROWED THE SCOPE. HOW MANY DWELLING UNITS OR WHAT PRECISELY COULD BE RESTRICTED. WE DON'T HAVE LIKE ROADWAY [00:50:01] SIZES, STUFF LIKE THAT. THERE'S NO, IT WOULD REQUIRE STATE ROAD FRONTAGE. RIGHT. STATE ROAD FRONTAGE, BUT INSIDE THE COMMUNITY PARKING MM-HMM . THAT KIND OF STUFF. NO, WE DON'T, WE DIDN'T STIPULATE THE SIZE. YEAH. I, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BECAUSE OF TOO MANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE WILLING TO TABLE IT PERSONALLY. WELL, AND, AND THAT MIGHT BE A THOUGHT HERE TO GET SOMETHING MORE, BUT HERE'S THE, THE CONCERNS. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. AND THE WHOLE QUESTION ABOUT THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN THE WELL AND THE VOLUME OF HOUSING THAT YOU COULD FIT 50 IN A 25 ACRE SECTION OF LAND PERK TEST AND WATER. THAT AIN'T HAPPENING. THE PERK, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET, UH, 50 SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND 50 WATER SUPPLIES. THINK WHAT A 25 ACRE LOCATION IT IS. SOIL IS NOT GONNA, NOT GONNA ALLOW IT. UM, SO THIS, THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION IS AN EXCEPTIONAL SITUATION. THE ONLY, THE, THE SAVING GRACE FOR HER IN THIS SITUATION IS WHAT SHE'S ALREADY GOT IS THE VOLUME OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT'S CAPABLE OF ALREADY TAKING CARE OF ALONG WITH WHATEVER SHE MIGHT DO. THE WATER SUPPLY THERE, THERE'S THE WATER TABLE IN THAT AREA. YOU'RE GO, YOU DRILL A HUNDRED FOOT AND GET 75 GALLONS A MINUTE. UM, SO THE WATER IS NOT AN ISSUE OUT THERE, BUT YOU'VE GOT THE SPACING. THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS EXCEPTIONAL IN ITSELF AND IT'S PERFECT NOW TO SAY THAT ALL WIDESPREAD, THAT 25, YOU'RE GONNA PUT 50 HOUSE ON A 25 ACRE TRACK THAT YOU CAN'T JUST GO TO THE EXTREME AND SAY, WELL, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE, BUT YEAH, PROBABLY IT'S POSSIBLE. YEAH. LAKE FREDERICK, WELL THEY'RE IN A CENTRAL, IN THE OLD, IN THE, UH, 55 AND OVER, BUT THEY'RE ON PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER. YES. BUT THEY'RE ALSO PACKED IN THERE. YEAH. BUT THIS ADDRESSES THAT, THAT IT'S GOTTA BE A CENTRAL SEWER SYSTEM. IT CANNOT BE, IT CAN'T BE INDIVIDUAL SEWERS. NOT THAT I WAS READING KELLY. ISN'T IT? I'M SORRY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CENTRAL, A CENTRAL SEPTIC IF THEY'RE NOT PUBLIC SEWER. IT WOULD ALLOW FOR EITHER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE SYSTEM CAPACITY. SO THE WELL AND SEPTIC WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE DENSITY. CORRECT. SO NO, CAN'T, OR THEY HAVE TO CONNECT TO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER. YEAH. IF FEW WAS HERE, HE WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT TO US. BUT THE IN A HALF, HALF ACRE LOT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE LAND EXACTLY. RIGHT. TO GET THE SEPARATION. SO YOU CAN'T, THAT'S WHY IT'S GOTTA BE A CENTRAL SYSTEM. MM-HMM . EXACTLY. BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY, WHAT, THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE, IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIT 50 HOUSES ON A 25 ACRE TRACK. RIGHT. AND BE ABLE TO PUT 50 SEPARATE SYSTEMS THERE. WELL, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN WOULD BE A CENTRALIZED, WELL, SEPTIC AND WATER LOCATION. CORRECT. YEAH. WHICH IS AN EXTREME SITUATION. AND I TELL YOU THAT'S A BARRIER TO GET. I'VE, I'VE SEEN THEM, I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN THAT. AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU ONE THING THAT'S, YOU REALLY, REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A PERFECT SITUATION TO GET IT. NOW AGAIN, I, I UNDERSTAND. I I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING HERE. AND THIS IS A PERFECT SITUATION FOR THIS TO HAPPEN, MAN. I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN IN, IN THIS AREA. MM-HMM . AND I'D LIKE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT THE OTHER SITUATION IS GONNA KILL ITSELF. WHEN YOU TRY TO PUT IN 50 HOUSES ON A 25 ACRE TRACK, IT'S GONNA KILL ITSELF UNLESS YOU HAVE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER. WELL, OR UNLESS YOU ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING NURSING HOME THAT'S CAPABLE OF TAKING CARE OF THE HOUSING ALREADY EV ANYWAY. YEAH. UNLESS YOU GO VERTICAL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THAT KIND OF DENSITY BECAUSE OF ROADS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . EXACTLY. SO I MEAN, TO SAY THAT THIS CAN BE A WIDESPREAD ISSUE, EH, COULD IT? WELL, DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. UM, I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE IT HAPPEN IN THIS SITUATION. 'CAUSE IT'S PERFECT. IT'S PERFECT, IT'S IDEAL. MM-HMM . UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY ALREADY RESTRICTIVE IN ITSELF BY, UH, BY THE LAND [00:55:01] AND WATER, SEWER. WATER AND SEWER IN ITSELF IS ALREADY GONNA BE SO RESTRICTIVE. JUST GO THROUGH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND SEE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET THERE. UH, WE ALREADY IN OUR SUBDIVISIONS ARE HAVING ENOUGH TROUBLE GETTING PERS THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO, UM, ALTERNATIVE SYSTEMS, BASICALLY. BUT I DON'T KNOW, JUST KIND OF THROWING THOUGHTS OUT THERE. WELL SEE. BUILDING WILL TAKE CARE OF, LIKE YOU SAID, HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT ZONING ISSUE. YEAH. THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CAN THEY PUT A SEPTIC IN HEALTH DEPARTMENT SYSTEM DEPARTMENT'S GONNA CLOUD WITH THE REST OF IT, RIGHT. . YEAH. SO, UH, TO RESEARCH THIS, UM, KELLY, YOU HAD PICTURES AND DRAWINGS OF, OF MODEL HOMES HERE. IS THAT FROM ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE COULD GET SOME INFORMATION ON? AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL US OUT LOUD, YOU CAN TELL KELLY AND THAT WAY SHE CAN PASS IT ON. I APOLOGIZE. YES. IT'S HARD TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE SHELLEY AND THE KELLY. I THE KELLY. YEAH. THE KELLY . SO THE, YEAH, SHELLY, THE, UH, IN, IN YOUR APPLICATION YOU HAD A, THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND MODELS, UH, FLOOR PLANTS. YEAH. AND I ONLY PLANNED TO DO 25, 50. I'M ACTUALLY GONNA REDUCE THE DENSITY. OKAY. WELL, THE, I JUST DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANNA GO INTO DEPTH, BUT MY PLAN WAS FOR A WELLNESS SUMMER 25. WELL, RIGHT, BUT THE, THE QUESTION REALLY IS, SINCE YOU SAID EARLIER THAT YOU DIDN'T, UH, THEY WEREN'T YOURS. DO YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY, DO YOU KNOW THE COMMUNITY, THOSE, THOSE PLANS CAME FROM THAT WE COULD, THERE WAS NO, THIS IS, THIS IS MINE. IT'S, IT'S ALL OH, REALLY? OKAY. I, I HAVE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, I DO IN INTERIOR DESIGN AS WELL AS BUILDING. SO I DESIGNED THESE. OKAY. I'VE DONE THE ARCHITECTURE, I'M DOING THE INTERIOR DESIGN AS WELL AS THE OTHER FEATURES I'M PUTTING IN THE HOLE. RIGHT. WELL, THE, TO MAKE THEM SAFE, THE QUESTION REALLY GOES TO, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, THIS WAS APPROVED YEARS AGO FOR ME, BUT I COULDN'T DO IT. I WENT THROUGH SOME FAMILY PROBLEM AND THEN I'M JUST, THIS IS JUST ON A SEPARATE PERSONAL LAND DIRECTLY ACROSS, THERE WAS A CP ISSUED FOR ME ON THIS BEFORE, AND I JUST HAD TO SWITCH THE PIECES OF LAND. THAT'S WHY I HAVE A 20,000 GALLON. YEAH. WELL, DO YOU KNOW OF OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE WHAT YOU WISH TO BUILD? SO IN VIRGINIA THERE, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE IT. UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE SOME CONCEPTS WITH YOU GUYS IF YOU NEED SOMETHING. I JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE ITS PROTECTING MATERIAL. YEAH. I CAN SHOW YOU THE HOUSES AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, 12 TO 1500 SQUARE FEET AND I CAN SHOW YOU THE CONCEPTS, BUT I, I BUILT VERY INTENTLY. I'M VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT ANYTHING I DO IN THE COMMUNITY, AND I'VE BUILT A REPUTATIONAL DOING NICE THINGS. I UNDERSTAND FEAR. I, I'M NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW. WELL, IT'S, YOU JUST WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THAT DENSITY ANYWHERE ELSE IN THIS COUNTY. I'VE BUILT ALL OVER THE COUNTY. CAN'T DO IT. WELL, OUR CONCERN IS GETTING A CODE TOGETHER THAT I UNDERSTAND. AND THAT NOT THAT WHAT, NOT ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY. I UNDERSTAND. AND I, I UNDERSTAND. MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I, OR YOU MAY INTERJECT, MISS, THIS IS UP TO YOU WHAT YOU WANNA DO. THE APPLICANT HAS JUST SAID THAT SHE ONLY NEEDS 25. YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT 180 DASH 55.5 E AS WRITTEN, WRITTEN, IT SAYS DENSITY MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY SHALL NOT EXCEED 50 DWELLING UNITS. I THINK YOUR AC APPLICANT HAS JUST SAID SHE ONLY NEEDS 25. YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU COULD APPROVE THIS AND CHANGE IT TO 25 AND SATISFY HER AND ASK TO THE RAMIFICATIONS TO THE REST OF THE, THE COUNTY. IF Y'ALL WANTED TO THINK ABOUT THAT OR THINK ABOUT IT MORE GENERALLY ANYWAY. CERTAINLY YOU COULD TABLE IT UP TO, UP TO THE BOARD, BUT I JUST, IT OCCURRED TO BE SITTING HERE THAT IF, YOU KNOW, I HEARD MR. BARNHART SAY, HEY, THIS IS PERFECT FOR THIS LOCATION, BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE. CORRECT? MM-HMM . SO BY APPROVING, BECAUSE IT'S TIED IN WITH THE AMENDMENT, YOU WOULD AMEND THE AMENDMENT OR, I MEAN, I MAYBE EVEN ASK THE APPLICANT IF SHE WAS WILLING TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. YEAH. AND, AND IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S, IT'S A PERFECT STORM. YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE A COMMUNITY WHERE YOU HAVE AN ASSISTED LIVING WITHIN A MILE THAT CAN HANDLE THE CAPACITY THAT THIS IS GONNA BRING. AND AS LONG AS THAT'S STIPULATED UNDER BELIEVE THAT KELLY HAS IT IN THERE, THERE HAS TO BE SERVICES AVAILABLE. [01:00:01] RIGHT. UM, I, I JUST DON'T SEE ANYBODY BEING ABLE TO SHELTER AND BE ABLE TO PUT THE MONEY FORWARD. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A WELLNESS CENTER ON THE SAME TRACK LANE BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE NEED THINGS TO DO. SO I 25 MINUTES WELLNESS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME THAT THIS ISN'T JUST HOMES. THIS HAS TO BE THAT THERE'S SOME MONEY PUT THERE FOR THEM TO HAVE THINGS TO DO. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS. AND THEN BE A PART OF THE FARM, BE ABLE TO WALK AROUND AND ENJOY IT AND DEVELOP IT. YEAH. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. IF WE CHANGE IT TO 25 HOUSES, DO WE NOT THEN RUN THE RISK OF OVERRIDING WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WHICH IS YOU COULD NEVER GET 50 HOUSES ON 25 ACRES BECAUSE OF THE SEWAGE. AND I, I JUST WONDER IF IT'S THE TEXT AMENDMENT THE FATHERS MAKE AND I I I DON'T MM-HMM . UM, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT IF WE SHIFT THE NUMBER THEN DO WE NOT OPEN OURSELVES MAYBE TO OTHER PLACES ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO DO THIS? I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK BY SHIFTING, IF WE DON'T SHIFT THE NUMBER, THEN YEAH, WE DO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. RIGHT. BY SHIFTING THE NUMBER 25 TO THE 50 ACRE OR THE, UM, 25 TO A 25 ACRE TRACK, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH COMING IN LINE WITH THE DENSITY FOR OUR, WHAT OUR ALREADY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STUFF. AND THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IT'S NOT ZONING AND BY RIGHT. SO IT'D HAVE TO COME BEFORE US EACH TIME. OKAY. SO IF WE RESTRICT IT TO, SO IF SHE CHANGES IT, ARE YOU, IS THAT SOMETHING YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT IN, DOES DOES THAT RUIN THE WHOLE PLAN FOR THE REST OF ALL OF WHAT YOU, OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S JUST A PARCEL. OKAY. I STILL HAVE A CP ON MY OTHER PARCEL BECAUSE I HAVE HUNDRED ACRES, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO THIS IS, THIS IS ONE, THIS IS HERE. AND I PLANNED ON PUTTING 25 FOR THE SENIOR LIVING AND THEN A WELLNESS CENTER. OKAY. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE PLAN. I, I WAS GONNA KEEP THE 50 JUST FOR THIS GENTLEMAN. IT WAS EASIER. I ALREADY HAD 50. RIGHT. I WAS JUST CHANGING IT FROM PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO USE IT EVERY DAY ANYWAY. THIS IS ALREADY A DENSITY TO APPROVE MM-HMM . MM-HMM . MM-HMM . TO CHANGING IT TO SOMETHING WHERE I'M GONNA PUT OVER PEOPLE THAT NEED SERVICES. I LIKE THIS WHOLE SITUATION THERE BETTER. IT'S PERFECT. IT'S PERFECT. UM, DOES THAT, DO YOU THINK THAT WHAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, DO YOU I I, FOR ME, NO. I, I STILL THINK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER USE IN THE AG THAT IS NOT AG. I MEAN, WE CALL FOR LOW DENSITY. LET'S SEE, UH, DISTRICTS INTENDED FOR AREAS WHERE GENERAL AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS OR PRACTICE WHERE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS MAY BE SITUATED WITHOUT DEGRADING THE ENVIRONMENT AND WHERE EXPANSES OF OPEN SPACE BEST EXIST FOR PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS, CAMP RESERVED AND SYMBOL USES. I, I STILL, I, I DON'T FEEL THAT A DEVELOPMENT FOR 55 PLUS IS I, I THINK THAT IS A HIGHER DEN THAT, THAT'S A HIGHER INTENSITY USE, EVEN AT A LOWER DENSITY, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE, UM, SERVICE CALLS THERE THAN MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, A A TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO EVEN IF YOU WERE SAYING THAT IT IS THE SAME DENSITY AS YOUR CLUSTER SUBDIVISION, UH, WELL THEN WE STILL HAVE LESS OPEN SPACE REQUIRED. UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE SERVICE CALLS THAT ARE NEEDED. UM, YOU'RE GOING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE SERVICE CALLS, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE GOING TO WORK EVERY DAY. WELL, ALL RIGHT. OUR OPTIONS ARE, WE TABLE IT FOR MORE STUDY OR WE RECOMMEND THAT WE, WE CHANGE IT FROM, UM, 50 TO 25 HOUSES. NOW, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORD A RECOMMENDATION ON CHANGING IT TO 25, OR DOES, WOULD SHELLY MAKE THAT CHANGE? AND WOULD IT BE, I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD MAKE THAT CHANGE. AND SINCE YOU'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING THE DENSITY, THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S LESS UH, USE THAN IT WAS BEFORE. SO YOU DON'T NEED TO DO, UM, ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT. SO THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT IF YOU WANTED TO. [01:05:02] BUT THE PROCESS, WE'RE APPROVING THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN THE PROCESS, BUT THEN YOU ARE APPROVING THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT STEPPING, MAKING IT LESS DENSE IN THAT WORDING DOES. SO HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? YOU WOULD PROVIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT SECTION 180 DASH 55 POINT E BE CHANGED TO 25 INSTEAD OF 50, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT, UH, IF THAT WAS WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO. SO YOU COULD MAKE THE SAME, SORRY, JASON, YOU COULD MAKE THE SAME RECOMMENDATION. JUST ADD WHAT JASON IS RECOMMENDING ONTO YOUR MOTION, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS CHOOSE TO DO. YEAH. AND MAYBE ALSO, YOU KNOW, AND WITH THE CONSENT OF THE APPLICANT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS GIVEN ON THIS. YEAH. SO, SO BASICALLY IF I WERE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE, THEN I WOULD SAY WITH THE RECOMMENDATION ALSO TO REDUCE THE DENSITY TO 25, AND WE WOULD DEEM IT TO BE A, A, AN AMENDED APPLICATION. THAT WOULD BE 25 AMENDED APPLICATION WITH THE APP. WELL, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICATION IS AMENDED TO NOT TO EXCEED 25 DWELLING UNITS IN 180, 55 0.5 E RECOMMEND APPROVAL IF THAT'S THE BOARD, THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD'S, UH, DECISION, UH, TO EXCEED 25 DWELLINGS. BUT EVEN WITH THE ADJUSTED NUMBER, THIS IS STILL A COUNTYWIDE, IT'S STILL A COUNTYWIDE IN EVERY CIRCUMSTANCES A COUNTYWIDE. I, I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT, 'CAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK UP THERE ABOUT HOW THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS GOOD. THIS IS, IT'S, UM, BUT THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT PUTTING IT OTHER PLACES. AND THEN THERE WAS A BIG DEBATE ABOUT, WELL, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY NOT VERY MANY PLACES THIS CAN BE ANYWAY. WELL, YOU COULD MAKE THAT A LOT MORE TRUE WHILE STILL SATISFYING THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT. AND THAT'S WHERE THE LIGHT WENT ON IN MY HEAD. THAT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A WORKAROUND IF, IF THIS BODY WANTED TO DO THAT. IT'S ALSO A CHANGE FROM WHAT Y'ALL CAME IN HERE FOR. SO CERTAINLY IF YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT IT ANOTHER MONTH, THAT'S NOT UNREASONABLE EITHER. AND I TEND TO LEAN THE TABLE PERSONALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY JUST ONE APPLICANT WOULD REALISTICALLY BE ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN WE'RE, THEN WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, CREATING SOMETHING FOR ONE PERSON. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD PRECEDENT. THAT'S NOT WELL, POSSIBLY MORE IN THE FUTURE, YOU YEAH, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE UP HERE SAYING THAT IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. WELL THEN WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE IT. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN THIS THERE, YOU KNOW, I I CERTAINLY THINK WE COULD TABLE IT. UM, I I, THERE ARE AREAS, ESPECIALLY UP IN YOUR DISTRICT, UM, ACROSS THE, THE SAME SIDE OF 5 22 THAT BLUE RIDGE IS ON, THERE'S PROPERTY THERE THAT IS GONNA BE EXPENSIVE TO DEVELOP BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT THIS MIGHT BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD DO THERE. SO THERE'S, THERE ARE OTHER AREAS. THAT'S MY CONCERN. IF WE DON'T WANT TO GET SOMETHING TOO BROAD THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GET THESE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE GOOFY AS UP. SO I'LL GET OUT. SO THEN MY, MY ARGUMENT TO THAT IS, BUT IF IT'S TOO BROAD AND YOU THINK THAT WE'D HAVE TOO MUCH OF IT, THEN IS IT SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT IN THE ACT? AND I WOULD SAY NO. I MEAN, IF, IF WE'RE TRYING TO THREAD THE NEEDLE TO, TO LET ONE PERSON DO WHAT THEY WANT WHILE ALSO MAKING IT HARD FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THE SAME THING, THAT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOOD PLANNING PRACTICE. ALL RIGHT, WELL LET'S, AND AT THE SAME TIME, AS I SAID, I GOT PERSONAL THINGS WITH MY FATHER-IN-LAW WHERE I'M SEEING THIS WORKING WELL, BUT, BUT WE IN AG FARMS ALL AROUND IT. YEAH. WELL LET, LET'S DO THIS. LET'S TABLE IT. DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH. YEAH. AND THINK ABOUT IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH. WELL, AND AND MY CONCERN ABOUT THE CONCERN OF THIS GROWING EXPLODING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, WELL, IT'S NO DIFFERENT AS FAR AS WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GONNA, WHAT CAN HAPPEN. SO LET'S, MY COMMENT WAS THIS IS AN IDEAL SITUATION. IT'S NOT TO IMPLY THAT OH MY GOODNESS, THAT [01:10:01] YES TONY, WHAT IT'S AN IDEAL SITUATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PLACE. JUST BECAUSE IT, THERE'S A NURSING HOME THERE. THE STUFF ALREADY FITS. THIS BUILDS AROUND THE NURSING HOME. NOW THAT WAS MY FAULTS. SUCH A PERFECT IDEAL. NOW YOU, THE OTHER CONCERNS WAS THAT THIS IS GONNA EXPLODE COUNTYWIDE TO USE UP ALL OF OUR AGRICULTURAL LAND FOR NURSING HOMES AND ASSISTED LIVING AGING IN PLACE. WELL, I'D BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT SUBDIVISIONS BLOSSOMING IN OUR AGRICULTURAL AREA, WHICH CAN BE DONE BY RIGHT. WITH 20 ACRE LOTS. YEAH. THAT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT DENSITY. THAT'S, THAT'S ONE HOUSE INSTEAD OF 25. BUT YOU WERE WORRIED ABOUT FARMLAND ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AREA. SO I MEAN, THE VIEW SHED OF THAT IS GONNA BE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT. SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRESERVING OUR OPEN SPACE, I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN RUN A FARMSTEAD ON 20 ACRES. YOU AIN'T GONNA MAKE MUCH OF A LIVING THOUGH. I WAS GONNA SAY . YOU NOT, YOU'VE NOT TRIED IT. I NO, I HAVE NOT. BUT YOU COULD, YOU CAN CONCEIVABLY HAVE A FARMSTEAD ON 20 ACRES. MM-HMM . WELL, I AGREE. IT'S, UH, THAT IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT IN ONE PLACE, WE OUGHT TO ALLOW THE WHOLE COUNTY TO DO IT. WELL WE HAVE TO. THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE. YEAH. SO THEN I'M ALL FOR LETTING THE WHOLE COUNTY DO IT. I OR WE CAN VOTE NO. AND SHE CAN BUILD 50 HOUSES TOMORROW. YEAH. WELL A RURAL RESORT, I MEAN, NOT 50 HOUSES. THAT'S ALSO HOUSES. IT'S 50 HOUSES, 50 HOUSES. . IT'S 50 HOUSES. I THOUGHT IT WAS A RURAL RESORT THAT WAS APPROVED THERE. 50. THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS THAT SHE WAS APPROVED FOR. MM-HMM . YOU WERE HERE FOR THAT VOTE. 'CAUSE WE WERE, YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING OF IT AND WITH TWO LOTS AND MM-HMM . SHE HAD ENOUGH REAL ESTATE TO DO WHAT SHE WANTED IF IT WAS COMBINED, BUT, WELL, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I PROPOSE. I'M GONNA MAKE AMENDMENT THAT WE PASS IT ON TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO PASS AND THEN THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH IT. WE'RE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I MEAN THE BOARD, SUPERVISORS BOARD SEND IT ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND LET THEM DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. SO THERE IS A PRE-PRINTED MOTION YOU MIGHT WANT TO READ. YEAH. YEAH. . SO, UM, IS I, Y'ALL WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TALK MORE BEFORE I JUMP IN? I, I SEE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THROWING IT RIGHT BACK TO US. CORRECT. SEE, THAT'S WHY THEY HIRED US, RIGHT? YEAH. SO YOU THINK, SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THEN WE SHOULD TABLE FIRST BEFORE WE SEND IT TO 'EM. OKAY. AND AS CHAIR, I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION. RIGHT. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE TABLE, UH, 2026 DASH SEVEN DASH ONE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR RURAL AGING IN PLACE COMMUNITIES. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. DO YOU WANT TO SPECIFY A DATE? A DATE? YEAH. WHEN? UNTIL I'D SAY THE NEXT MEETING I CAN CONSENT AGENDA. WE GOT ONE ITEM. SO IT WORK? YEAH, UN TO THE NEXT, UH, TO THE SEPTEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION. NOW IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING THIS ITEM, PLEASE SAY, AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? THIS TABLED. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH. OUR NEXT AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING. CUP 20 26 0 7 0 3 SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 1716 RIDGEWAY ROAD. REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1716 RIDGEWAY RIDGEWAY ROAD IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP 18 AS LOT 71. PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE FORK. MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT KELLY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TORSE RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY ACQUIRED EARLIER THIS YEAR. THE APPLICANT STATES THE PROPERTY IS WELL SUITED FOR FAMILY-ORIENTED LODGING DUE TO ITS SIZE, NATURAL BUFFERING AND LAYOUT. THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO MARKET THE PROPERTY AS A HOME BASE FOR VISITORS EXPLORING WARREN COUNTY AND THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY ORCHENDO VALLEY, WHILE PRO, UH, PROMOTING LOCAL BUSINESSES AND ATTRACTIONS. THE APPLICANT FURTHER STATES THAT A PROFESSIONAL PROPERTY MANAGER WILL OVERSEE ALL ASPECTS OF THE RENTAL OPERATION AND THAT OPERATIONAL MEASURES WILL BE IMPLEMENTED TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS [01:15:01] CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1987 AND THERE ARE NO CURRENT ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS ON RECORD. THERE'S A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING. THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF AND CONFIRMED THAT THE PROPERTY MANAGER LIVES 17.6 MILES FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IT IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN A SUBDIVISION GOVERNED BY AN HOA OR A POA. THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS 562 FEET TO THE NORTH. PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 DASH 56.4 B. AND THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLINE COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY. THE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. AND LASTLY, NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. AND A COPY OF THAT SERVICE INVOICE IS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED. I DO BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANYTHING TO ADD, SIR? NO, SIR. WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH WITH THAT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. ANYONE SIGN UP? NOPE. DIDN'T, DIDN'T THINK CHRIS HAD SIGNED UP TO BE THE ONLY ONE HERE. SHE CARES TO ADDRESS US. PUBLIC CARE'S CLOSED. I KNOW YOU DON'T, SO, OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT. I'M GOOD. CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT. YEP. PARACHUTE IN. WE, UH, THERE'S A SCHOOL THERE. YEP. PARACHUTE. I I THINK MY PARACHUTING DAYS IS LONG SINCE COME OVER WITH THAT, THIS IS THERE. MOTION. SCOTT, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 20 26 0 7 0 3 FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. A AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE, IT WILL BE FORWARDED ON THE BOARD ABOUT A MONTH WITH THAT, OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE OVER. NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR, TO ADVERTISE FOR NEXT MONTH. DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IT'S KIND OF A NEWER ITEM FOR THIS PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA ON I I READ IT AND WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A COMMUNITY WHERE, UH, MAINTENANCE YES, CORRECT. YEAH. WHICH WE ALLOW BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UM, WE HAVE DONE THIS PREVIOUSLY. IT'S BEEN QUITE SOME TIME, BUT THERE WAS ONE APPROVED IN HIGH KNOB MM-HMM . FOR THIS PURPOSE. MM-HMM . YEAH. DON'T MAKES SENSE. YEAH. I WROTE DOWN BY THERE AND, AND OF COURSE THERE'S GONNA BE A STRUCTURE THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT, RIGHT? THAT, YEAH. YES. IT'S A 30 BY 40 PROPOSED, UH, METAL BUILDING. NOW THE LOTS THAT THERE WERE TWO LOCATIONS THAT I THOUGHT IT COULD BE. DO WE HAVE A MAP OF WHERE THAT YEAH. IS YOU GET A LITTLE TOO FAR? NO, WE DO NOT. BUT ALLISON MIGHT BE ABLE TO PULL ONE UP BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AND FORCE BUILDING AND ZONING IS GONNA CONTROL THAT. THE ONLY THING I WAS WORRIED ABOUT WAS EROSION AND SEVEN CONTROL. UH, JUST A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY. DO WE NEED TO TAKE THIS OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA IF WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IT? UM, WE'RE GETTING OH YES. SINCE YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE MATTER ON THERE. I WASN'T GONNA SPEAK UP. OH, OKAY. NEVERMIND. IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. OKAY. SO THEN MR. CHAD, MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WRITTEN. THANK YOU. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. IT'LL BE ADVERTISED FOR NEXT MONTH. UH, COMMISSION MATTERS. COMMISSION MEMBERS. PAUL, YOU GOT ANYTHING? NO, SCOTT. SO WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION AND RESEARCH DO WE, ARE WE LOOKING FOR, UM, ON THE AGENT IN PLACE? OTHER ONES THAT ARE WITHIN THAT ARE EXIST WITH THAT SAME DESCRIPTION OR SOMETHING SIMILAR? SOMETHING SIMILAR. SO WE CAN KIND SEE WHAT THAT AREA HAS AS FAR AS ZONING. YEAH. WE HAVE STARTED SOME RESEARCH. OUR RESEARCH FOLDER IS SPARSE, BUT, UM, WE'VE COLLECTED A FEW THAT ARE, BUT THEY'RE NOT TIED TO AGRICULTURE. SO I CAN LOOK INTO AUGUSTA COUNTY. UM, AND I WAS THINKING OUTSIDE THE STATE. OKAY. YEAH. ACTUALLY YOU, MICHIGAN, WHERE [01:20:01] THE CHERRIES ARE, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG TOURIST AREA. WELL, I DON'T THINK THE CONCERN THAT OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT, I DON'T THINK THE CONCERN IS WHETHER IT WOULD FIT THE AREA, BUT THAT IT IS GONNA AFFECT AGRICULTURAL. IT CAN, YES. CAN IT? YEAH. I MEAN, HOW MUCH IS THE CONCERN AND I AND DUE CONCERNS? YES, I AGREE. ONCE YOU SPREAD IT OUT OVER THE WHOLE COUNTY BEING ABLE TO DO IT. WELL, THE, MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON IT WAS TO THE, THIS MIGHT BE AN AVENUE TO HELP FARMERS KEEP THE FARM. AND, AND I LIKE THE WHOLE PLAN FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT REVENUE FOR AGRICULTURAL THAT WANTS TO EXPAND AND OR, OR SELL OFF A PORTION OR WHATEVER. UH, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA AND I THINK SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH FARMLAND. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST SUITABLE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA ALLOW TO HAPPEN. NOW IS THIS ONE OF THOSE THAT SHOULD BE WELL, WE NEED TO KNOW MORE. I THINK EVERYBODY'S DESIRE. YEAH. THIS, THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. WE'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE RESEARCH. THAT'S WHY I SUGGEST WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AGAIN NEXT MONTH. YEP. THERE WE GO. SO, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS TWO MEETINGS AGO, WE HAD A, UH, COMMUNITY THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT DRONES ON SHORT TERM RENTAL. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . YEAH. WE ALL SEEM TO AGREE TO IT, THAT THAT WAS AN ISSUE. WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT STEP TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE CONDITION STATEMENTS? WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE SO YOU COULD, UH, PASS A RESOLUTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO ADD THAT TO THE CONDITIONS. AND WE BRING IT FORWARD AS A TEXT AMENDMENT, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE, THE PROCESS. NOW WHEN WE ADDED, OR YOU COULD JUST HEAR FROM HERE ON OUT. JUST ADD IT AS A CONDITION. UM, OKAY. BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUOUSLY DO THAT, YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST MENTION THAT. MIGHT AS WELL EDIT IT ON. YEAH. I'M, I'M TRYING TO LIMIT THOSE AMENDMENTS. I'M A THOUGHT MAYBE WE NEED TO REVISIT THE CONDITIONS AND, YOU KNOW, ADD THE NOISE, YOU KNOW, MONITORS AND DRONES. THAT ONE FILL YEAH, THAT MIGHT BE AN IDEA. I'M KIND OF WITH YOU THERE IN THE DRONE. SO THE, THE THOUGHT ON THE DRONE WAS, WAS TO NOT ALLOW THEM TO BE FLOWN ON THE PROPERTIES OR CORRECT. SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. UH, AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF, I MEAN, NOT TO DO THAT, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION AND NO, NOT IF YOU DON'T WONDER. NO, WE DID, WE DIDN'T HAVE WORK SESSIONS WHEN WE DIS DIDN'T ALLOW FIRE PITS. SO IT'D BE THE SAME THING. YEAH. BUT WE DID, ESSENTIALLY YOU WOULD PASS, YOU WOULD PASS THE RESOLUTION BY A MAJORITY VOTE TO DIRECT STAFF. UM, WE COULD BE WORKING ON A DRAFT AND BY THE NEXT MEETING, PUT IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE AND BRING IT FORWARD FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS JUST ADDING ADDITIONAL NOISE MONITORING AND DRONES. IT'S LIMIT THE DRONES. YEAH. YEAH. MAKE A MOTION. SCOTT . CAN, CAN WE MAKE A MOTION DURING THE COMMISSION MATTERS PORTION? WE HAVE AN AGENDA. I, I THINK YOU WOULD JUST INFORMALLY ASK YOUR PLANNING DIRECTOR TO, TO PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR THE NEXT MEETING IF POSSIBLE. WHICH I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY DONE. PLEASE CONSIDER YOURSELF INFORMALLY. WELL, NEXT FRIDAY THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE FIXING MY FOOT. HOPEFULLY SIX MONTHS LATER. I THINK I WILL BE ABLE TO WALK AGAIN AFTER THREE YEARS. , I THINK WE CAN DO THAT HERE FOR YOU. SCOTT, YOU GOT A HACKSAW? YEAH. WHERE'S THE BOTTLE OF WHISKEY? I'VE ALREADY BEEN, I'VE ALREADY BEEN UNDER THE HACKSAW TWICE. I'M GOOD. THIS WILL BE MY 14TH TIME. IT IS. MM-HMM . CAN YOU GET NEW LEGS? DON'T. HEY, IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING THINGS IN. HE BREAKS. THEY'RE JUST NOT TAKING THEM OUT. THEY'RE PUTTING THINGS BACK IN . HE PUT HIS IPAD BY LOOKING AT IT. I WOULDN'T TRUST IT. I HAD A USE CONSTRUCTION, USE A CONSTRUCTION TERM. MINE WAS REMOVED AND REPLACE, BUT WE'LL MOVE ON. AND WITH THAT, I HAD TO SAY, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT I WAS SAYING THIS ALREADY, BUT LABOR DAY, HAPPY LABOR DAY. WOW. COOL. YEP. THAT'S ALL I GOT. EXCEPT WELCOME. THANKS. YES. [01:25:02] PLEASURE. NOTHING FOR ME. I GOT NOTHING. OKAY. WHAT ELSE YOU GOT FOR US, KELLY? UM, I AM REQUESTING THAT YOU ALL CONSIDER SCHEDULING A FUTURE WORK SESSION TO BEGIN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTY'S NEXT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM. MM-HMM . SO OUR CIP MM-HMM . THE WORK SESSION WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE A REVIEW OF THE COMMISSION'S RESPONSIBILITIES, THE CIP DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, PROPOSED EVALUATION CRITERIA AND TIMELINE AND PREPARATION OF A RECOMMENDED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. OKAY. AND WHEN ARE YOU NEEDING THIS BY? ADMINISTRATION WOULD LIKE US TO GET TO WORK ON IT PRETTY QUICKLY. SO IF WE COULD SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION FOR THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, I THINK WE COULD GET STARTED. WE COULD. ANYBODY GOT A PROBLEM WITH SHOWING UP EARLY AND CASH OUT A PLAN? THAT WORK SESSION WOULD JUST BE KIND OF FIGURING OUT OUR PLAN? YEAH. FORWARD. I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH RUNNING. SO NEXT MONTH IF WE COULD MEET AT SIX. YEP. ALRIGHT. MR. HAM, I HAVE NO COMMENTS. SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE SAID THAT BEFORE. , YOUR HONOR. NO COMMENT, ALLISON. OKAY. JUST FOR EDIFICATION, NOT AS YOUR FAVORITE CLERK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT AS THE OFFICE MANAGER FOR PLANNING AND ZONING, ARE WE PUTTING THE REQUESTED TEXT AMENDMENT ONTO AUTHORIZATION FOR ADVERTISEMENT OR ARE WE JUST DOING THE RESOLUTION NEXT MONTH? , I WOULD SAY FOR ADVERTISEMENT IS WHAT MY THOUGHT WAS. I COULD PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA AS NEW BUSINESS WITH A DRAFT TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL. AND AT THAT POINT YOU COULD PASS THE RESOLUTION AND THEN WE COULD ADD, WE COULD. ALRIGHT. OKAY. HOWEVER WE HAVE TO DO THAT. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE MANAGED TO GET EVERYTHING DONE THAT WE WANT TO FOR NEXT MONTH. SO I WANTED, WANTED A LITTLE CLARIFICATION OF WHAT WE WERE DOING. , BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NO. I TERRIBLE. I WANNA BE DRIVING, RUNNING A MARATHON NEXT MONTH. YEAH. GOOD THING ABOUT PLEASE DON'T DO THAT NOWADAYS THEY JUST MAKE REPLACEMENT PARTS FOR US. YEP. THEY DO. NO, NO. MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN FOR A SECOND. SECOND. DOESN'T NEED A VOTE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.