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I AM GONNA CALL TO ORDER[Town Council Work Session on July 6, 2026.]
THE REGULAR WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, JULY 6TH.UM, AND MS. ONG, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKRELL.
SO OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS, UM, IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE AN ACTION ITEM, WHICH, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE ACTION ON WORK SESSIONS, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T DO IT OFTEN.
WE, UH, WE ARE, UH, WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
AND SO, UM, THIS ITEM FOLLOWS OUR MOST RECENT, UH, COUNCIL MEETING.
AND THE SUMMARY IS, COUNCIL HAS REQUESTED TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION IMPOSING A TEMPORARY 90 DAY MORATORIUM ON THE ACCEPTANCE OF LAND USE APPLICATIONS FOR DATA, DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, WHILE THE TOWN COMPLETES THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS TO DEFINE AND ADDRESS DATA CENTER USES IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND SO THAT IS, UM, THAT IS THE SUMMARY.
AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM COUNCIL.
I MOVE THAT COUNSEL, ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, ESTABLISHING A TEMPORARY 90 DAY MORATORIUM ON THE ACCEPTANCE OF DATA CENTER LAND USE APPLICATIONS AS PRESENTED.
THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, FROM THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING UNTIL TODAY, HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY APPLICATIONS FOR DATA CENTER, LAND USES IN THE TOWN OF FOR ROYAL? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, MAY, MAY I ASK IF, UH, GEORGE, SO CAN YOU WEIGH ON THE ASPECT OF THE, THE MORE TOING REQUEST, WEIGH IN ON IT? YES.
FROM A STATE PERSPECTIVE, SORRY.
FROM A, FROM A STATE PERSPECTIVE, UM, WELL, THIS IS DRAFTED AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, RIGHT? NOT A LEGISLATIVE ACTION.
UM, AS I HAVE OPINED IN OPEN MEETING PREVIOUSLY, I DO NOT BELIEVE STATE LAW ENABLES A LEGISLATIVE MORATORIUM ON, UH, WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT PARTICULAR, UH, ISSUE THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO ADVANCE IEA MORATORIUM.
SO THIS IS HOW THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED ADMINISTRATIVELY RATHER THAN LEGISLATIVELY.
I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND GEORGIA, THAT BEING SAID, I KNOW THERE WERE RECENT RECORDINGS OF ACES MEETINGS AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, BUT STATE CODE DOES USE THE TERM PROHIBIT, UM, UNDER WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO WITH THE COUNCIL, CORRECT.
AND THAT'S FOUND IN 15.2, 2280.
WHAT WAS THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THAT STATUTE? IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? I DO KNOW THAT, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ALREADY, UM, STARTED WORK ON WHAT CAME OUT OF THE COUNCIL MEETING THAT THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION LAST WEEK.
SO, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY NEEDS TO ADD? WANTS TO ADD? OKAY.
THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE ROLL CALL.
THE NEXT STEP IS NEW BUSINESS ITEMS. WE HAVE TWO.
THE FIRST ONE IS TO REQUEST TO DISCONTINUE THE USE OF MOTOR VEHICLES ON A PORTION OF CHURCH STREET BETWEEN EAST MAIN STREET AND EAST JACKSON STREET.
UM, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THE SUMMARY, BUT, UM, IS THIS, SO THERE ISN'T A STAFF MEMBER THAT THAT'S BESIDE OF IT.
DO YOU WANT TO BE IT
OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, THE MURPHY THEATER IS UNDER CURRENT REDEVELOPMENT.
CHURCH STREET HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME AS THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT WORK, SCAFFOLDING'S COMING DOWN.
UM, BUT WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT AND TO ACTIVATE THAT SPACE, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED TO POTENTIALLY,
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UH, CLO OR DISCONTINUE THE USE OF MOTOR VEHICLES IN THAT SECTION BETWEEN MAIN STREET AND THAT BACK PARKING LOT.THERE IS A CONCEPT DRAWING THAT, THAT'S ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET THAT WAS INCLUDED BY, UM, THE DEVELOPER AND PROPERTY OWNER THERE.
THAT JUST SHOWS THAT VEHICLE ACCESS WILL STILL CONTINUE IN THE BACK AND ACCESS TO THAT PARKING LOT.
UM, BUT WE WOULD DISCONTINUE THE USE TO MOTOR VEHICLES AND TURN THAT INTO A PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE A KID LAYING IN FOSTERS ALLEY.
UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S, UM, THE CONCEPT IS TO, BECAUSE IT'S CLOSED NOW, WE WOULD JUST CONTINUE THAT, UM, TO KEEP IT CLOSED.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, SINCE FOSTERS ALLEY AND KID LANE, THERE'S SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE WORKING HARD ON REVITALIZING MAIN STREET AND, UM, DOWNTOWN FARM ROYAL LINK.
UM, ELLEN ADDERS IS HERE FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THAT GROUP, BUT WE WOULD LOOK TO THEM AND OTHER ORGANIZATION AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS IF, IF THIS WERE TO BE DISCONTINUED, TO LOOK AT, UH, CONCEPTS AND PLANS AND POTENTIAL FUNDING TO DEVELOPMENT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IF WE WOULD JUST CLOSE IT OFF, UM, ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO WALK THROUGH THERE AND ALLOW US TO EVALUATE AND BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN IT WOULD ALLOW US ALSO TO GO FOR POTENTIAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
BUT WE FEEL LIKE IT'S CLOSED NOW.
IT'D BE BEST TO CONTINUE IT AS IS.
SO THE REQUEST IS, YOU KNOW, AND GEORGE, CORRECT ME, IT WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IN JULY, UM, JUST TO ENSURE THAT, AND IT WOULD JUST BE, IT WOULD NOT, WE WOULD NOT BE VACATING THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S TO, AGAIN, DISCONTINUED MOTOR VEHICLE USE, BUT TO ALLOW PEDESTRIAN AND NON-MOTORIZED CABLE.
I NOTICED IN, UM, THE, UH, UM, AGENDA, IT SAYS THAT, UM, STAFF COMMENTS AND A PRELIMINARY SURVEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED MM-HMM
SO I KNOW WE HAVE THE PRELIMINARY SURVEY AND NO, I GUESS THAT WAS, I DON'T, SORRY.
STAFF HOUSE? PROBABLY JUST ME WRITING IT.
SO WAS THAT JUST BASICALLY WHAT YOU JUST OFFERED? YEAH, SO WE LOOKED AT THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE ARE DOING A NEW PARKING STUDY.
I RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT EVEN OUR PREVIOUS PARKING DOWNTOWN PARKING STUDIES DID MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S ONE OF OUR NARROWER ALLEYS, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE WAS A BIG YELLOW POLE ON THE CORNER TO PROTECT VEHICLES MM-HMM
SO WE WOULD
UM, BUT WE DO FEEL, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A GOOD AMOUNT OF PUBLIC PARKING ON JACKSON STREET, UM, AND IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A GOOD, UH, SIDEWALK INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, AND WITH THIS REVITALIZATION OF THIS BUILDING, WE DO ANTICIPATE THIS BEING AN ACTIVE AREA.
I THINK THIS JUST ADDS TO THAT ATTRACTION.
IT MAKES OUR DOWNTOWN A LITTLE MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UM, BUT ALSO ALLOWS POTENTIALLY THESE TWO BUSINESS OWNERS ON BOTH SIDES TO, YOU KNOW, ACTIVATE THAT SPACE A LITTLE BIT, BRING THE PUBLIC OUTSIDE INTO THAT, UM, CORRIDOR THERE AS WELL.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING TO EXPLORE IS HOW DO WE ACTIVATE THAT PUBLIC SPACE A LITTLE BIT BETTER RATHER THAN JUST BEING WALKING PAST? IS THAT WHAT THAT SURVEY IS MEANT TO DEPICT? LIKE IT SAYS COUCH AND, YEAH.
AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT PROVIDED THAT THEY, IT ALLOWS FOR AN ELEMENT OF SCALE.
IT'S, THIS IS NOT A PLAN AND ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S REALLY TO JUST DISCONTINUE THAT USE.
AND THEN IF THAT IS ALLOWED, THEN WE WILL BE WORKING WITH, UM, PUBLIC ORGANIZATION STUFF TO REALLY BETTER WHAT, LEMME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION, AND I'M GETTING SOUND PUT IN THE CART WHERE THE HORSE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT THE SAYING IS, BUT JUST THAT CURIOSITY.
'CAUSE YOU SAID LIKE THOSE BUSINESSES OR WHATEVER.
SO BECAUSE IT WOULD STILL BE OWNED BY THE TOWN MM-HMM
UM, THERE'S NOT AN ASSUMPTION THAT JUST THE BUSINESSES THAT SHARE IT THERE WOULD BE THE ONLY ONES AIN'T ALLOWED TO USE IT.
LIKE, WE COULD USE IT, LIKE, IT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER LIKE, OH YEAH.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY PRETTY TIGHT, BUT YEAH.
YEAH, BUT I MEANT LIKE IF THERE WAS A FESTIVAL EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT COULD BE A SPACE THAT COULD BE RESERVED FOR SOMETHING IN THERE THAT, AND I THINK THEY TRIED TO UTILIZE SOME OF THESE WHEN, WHEN THEY HAVE THE WINE THEY USE, LIKE THE KID ZONE IS NEXT TO MAIN STREET PEAK AND STUFF.
THE ESSENTIALLY THEN WHEN THERE'S FESTIVALS OR OTHER PROGRAMMING NOW MAIN STREET, THIS COULD BE AN EXTENSION OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA
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TAKE ANY OF IT.I MEAN, YOU WERE SAYING BEFORE ABOUT PARKING, THERE'S NO PARKING.
I MEAN, THERE, THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA LOSE PARKING SPACE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE NOT LOSING ANY PARKING 'CAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING ON THAT STREET ANYWAY.
SO YEAH, THIS WOULD NOT IMPACT PARKING.
SO HOW DOES THE, UH, THERE IS A PARKING LOT, RIGHT? RIGHT BEHIND THE NEW DELI THAT OPEN MM-HMM
SO HOW WOULD THERE BE ACCESS THERE? SO IN THE COMMAND, YOU COULD SEE, UM, IN THAT DRAWING, THAT PARKING LOT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO EXIT.
AND WE WOULD JUST HAVE THAT AS A ONE-WAY.
SO THERE WOULD BE, UH, YOU TRAFFIC FLOW.
SO IF YOU CAME INTO THAT PARKING LOT OFF OF JACKSON, YOU WOULD ENTER BEHIND THAT CHURCH ALONG JACKSON.
YOU COULD LOOP AROUND BEHIND TRI TIE OR A LITTLE COMPUTERS IN THE DELI AND THEN EXIT BACK OUT, WHICH IS HOW IT'S CURRENTLY DOING.
I THINK, I THINK TECHNICALLY IT'S STILL TWO WAY IN THAT PARTICULAR SMALL STRETCH.
UM, AS YOU NOTICE THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING THERE, UM, THEY WERE GONNA ADD SOME OF THAT.
SO, BUT YEAH, WE WOULD STILL WANNA MAINTAIN THAT VEHICLE ACCESS THERE FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
YOU, UH, THE, THE ONLY, THE ONLY, UH, I GUESS IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A CONCERN THAT, THAT I WOULD HAVE IS, IS NOW YOU'RE PUSHING TRAFFIC ON THE MAIN STREET BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU TURN ON TO IT USED CLOUD STREET.
THAT'S ONE WAY, THAT'S ONE WAY COMING IN.
NOW WE DON'T ANY, THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES THROUGH DOESN'T HAVE A, A WAY, LIKE IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE WEST, YOU, YOU NOW CAN'T MAKE A RIGHT UNTIL YOU GET DOWN TO BLUE TO HIGH STREET, HIGH STREET OR BLUE RIDGE STREET.
HIGH STREET IS A, A NARROW STREET AS WELL.
SO, UM, AND THEN GOING THE OTHER WAY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE LIGHT.
SO NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUSHING TRAFFIC AWAY FROM MAIN STREET.
I'M, I'M THINKING THERE ARE MERCHANTS ON MAIN STREET THAT PROBABLY WILL HAVE SOME, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT ARE BASICALLY DOWN THE CORRIDOR.
SO, AND I WOULD, AND I, IF, IF THERE ARE, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY EVEN BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, OR DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL SAY, SINCE IT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR MULTIPLE MONTHS, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY, AND THAT'S NOT, SAY THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NO, BY NO WAY TO SAY THERE'S NOT, SAY THERE'S NOT, BUT WE, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK FROM IT BEING CLOSED CURRENTLY.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, MAYBE THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT WAS TEMPORARY.
THEY OBVIOUSLY KNOW IT'S CLOSED.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, AS FAR AS WALKING, YOU CAN STILL WALK THROUGH THERE BECAUSE THERE WAS A SIDEWALK OR YEAH, WITH THE, WERE THE ABUTTING BUSINESSES AND PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED OF THE TEMPORARY CLOSURE DURING CONSTRUCTION? WE, WE SENT OUT A NURSE ON, ON FACEBOOK AND, AND POSTED IT THAT IT WOULD BE ENCLOSED.
SO, AND IT, BUT IT'S BEEN MONTHS NOW.
AND WAS THERE A FEE TO THE TOWN FOR CLOSING THAT IT PUT A BOND UP FOR RIGHT OF AWAY YOU LISTED.
HOW MUCH WAS THE BOND, LAUREN, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MUCH? $10,000.
AND IT'S BASICALLY ASSUMED WHAT, IF ANYTHING, WERE DAMAGED, WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
AND DOES THE TOWN, UM, INSPECT AND ENFORCE THE, THE CURRENT FENCING AND MECHANISMS FOR HOLDING THAT DOWN? I MEAN, THEY, THEY STAKED IT DOWN PER THE BOND AND HOW THAT WAS INSTALLED.
AND THEY'RE, THEY HAVE TO REPAIR IT IN ORDER TO PUT IT BACK.
BUT THAT WAS REVIEWED BY PUBLIC WORKS AND THEN AS THEY PUT IT IN, AND OBVIOUSLY WITH IT BEING A BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND ACTIVE BUILDING PERMIT, THAT SHOULD ALSO BE REGULATED AS WELL THROUGH CONSTRUCTIONS.
SO I GUESS AT THIS TIME WE JUST COUNSEL NEEDS TO DECIDE, LIKE, ARE ARE YOU ALL, WELL, YEAH, THIS IS THE FIRST MONTH.
UM, DO YOU ALL WANT TO PUT THIS AS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE JULY 27TH MEETING? UM, DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT NEED STAFF NEEDS TO ANSWER BEFORE IT MEANS UP TO YOU ALL? 'CAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT LIKE, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT BARRIER STUFF'S COMING DOWN BEFORE JULY 27TH.
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'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE THE AGENDA.
BUT OBVIOUSLY IF, IF THE EXPRESS IS TO PROVIDE MORE NOTICE OR HAVE MORE DISCUSSION PRIOR TO, I'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THAT.
UM, WE, WHERE WILL THE SIGN IN PLACE IF WE'RE VACATION OF, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OF WAY STUFF.
WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC, IT'S NOT SOME LAND USE.
SO THERE'S NO STATE CODE THIS SAYS, BUT WE WILL NOTIFY THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, BUT AS WITH ANY ALLEY VACATION, THERE'S NO STATE GUIDANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGN SIGNAGE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU DO FOR LAND USE APPLICATIONS.
SO SOMEONE THAT MIDDLE OF MAIN BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THEY, THEY WON'T BE NOTIFIED.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO, IT WOULD BE, IT'LL BE POSTED IN THE NEWSPAPER.
ALTHOUGH, I MEAN, IT'S EVEN LIKE LAND USE.
THERE'S THE ADVERTISING AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF NOTICE IS TRICKY.
PEOPLE LEARN ABOUT IT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, YEAH, IT'S, I DON'T, I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE, UM, WE CAN ENCOURAGE ALSO OUR PARTNERS TO SHARE, SPREAD THE WORD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ALSO DO A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
BUT AS FAR AS A PROPER PUBLIC NOTICE, YOU KNOW, WE WILL DO WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO BY STATE LAW, BUT WE CAN OBVIOUSLY DISCUSS IT A LITTLE MORE OURSELVES WITH THE ADJACENT PURPOSE.
I THINK THE MORE THAT THE MORE PEOPLE THAT ON MAIN MAINSTREAM KNOW ABOUT IT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LOOK WILL JUST BE BETTER.
I KNOW HOW TO GET HEAR ABOUT IT.
WELL, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY BETWEEN YOUR QUESTION AND YOUR, YOUR, YOUR OFFERING OF YOURS AND ALSO JUST THE IDEA OF EVEN WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE MORE PEOPLE THAT KNOW ABOUT ON MAIN STREET.
WELL, I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT'S ACCURATE.
I ALSO THINK, AS I WAS SITTING HERE, IN MY MIND, I WAS THINKING A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET DON'T EVEN LIVE IN FRONT OF ROYAL.
LIKE THEY OWN A BUSINESS HERE, BUT THEY'RE, THEY AREN'T, YOU KNOW, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO TRAVEL THE ROAD HAVING INPUT TOO.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO I, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE IS MAYBE WE DON'T, MAYBE WE WAIT TILL THE AUGUST SO THAT THERE IS MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE TODAY IS JULY 6TH, JULY 27TH IS THREE WEEKS AWAY.
AND I KNOW THERE'S BOTH, BOTH NEWS, MOST NEWS OUTLETS ARE HERE, THE EXAMINER AND THE DAILY.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE PEOPLE, I JUST, MAIN STREET HAS ALWAYS BEEN A TOUGH ONE.
LIKE, I WAS THE ONLY PERSON SITTING HERE ON THIS COUNCIL WHEN THEY WERE GONNA, LIKE, THERE WAS ALL THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT CLOSING.
YOU WEREN'T, NO, 2020 IS WHEN THAT STARTED.
THEY WERE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT LATER.
I'M JUST SAYING PEOPLE GET REALLY, PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF OPINIONS ABOUT MAIN STREET AND HOW THAT SHOULD BE.
AND WHILE THIS DOESN'T AFFECT MAIN STREET, IT IS AN OUTLET OFF OF MAIN STREET.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T USE THAT STREET EVEN WHEN IT WASN'T BLOCKED.
I DIDN'T USE IT THAT OFTEN, BUT I DID USE IT LIKE WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET UP AND GO THAT WAY, IF I DIDN'T WANNA GO ALL THE WAY TO THE STOPLIGHT.
SO I, I JUST THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE OPPOR AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT.
IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME WE WENT AHEAD AND HELD A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN LEFT THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK.
THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH BEING IN JULY THREE WEEKS AWAY, I KNOW SEVERAL BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE CURRENTLY ON VACATION.
SO IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR AND A LOT OF THEM BEING SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS CLOSE TO GO ON VACATION BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFF OR MANAGEMENT TO STAY OPEN.
BUT IT'S ALSO A VERY APPROPRIATE TIME.
AND THE PRESS AND THE PEOPLE AT HOME WILL LOVE THIS TO DISCUSS LOSING MAIN STREET AFTER TOWN HALL BUSINESS HOURS ON NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS AND HAVING PARTIES IN THE STREET AGAIN.
UM, WHICH I WAS A HUGE PROPONENT OF, AND IT RATTLED A LOT OF CAGES IN 2021.
BUT WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.
TOWN HALL CLOSES AT 5:00 PM ON A FRIDAY.
THERE'S NOBODY THAT NEEDS ACCESS TO IT ON THE WEEKEND.
BUT NONETHELESS, I, I THINK WHEN SOME OF THE BUSINESSES WHO CHOSE TO BE OPEN DURING COVID, UM, SURVIVED BASED OFF OF BEING ABLE TO, MY KIDS WERE RIDING THEIR SCOOTERS UP AND DOWN MAIN STREET, AND I SPENT MORE TIME AND MONEY THAN I'VE EVER SPENT ON MAIN STREET DURING THAT 18 MONTHS.
FRESH AIR WENT IN STORES I DIDN'T KNOW EXISTED.
AND, UM, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THAT.
SO WHAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT?
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I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO DISCUSS BO.UM, WELL THAT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME.
UH, VICE MAYOR, IT, HAVING THE PANDEMIC AND NORTHERN VIRGINIA WAS CLOSED DOWN, SO A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE COMING HERE BACK THEN, AND THEY ARE STILL COMING HERE.
BUT, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF MERCHANTS, BECAUSE I WALKED THIS THROUGH THE MERCHANTS AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT REALLY IN, SOME OF 'EM ARE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN HAVING SOME OF THEM CLOSE.
SOME OF 'EM, I WILL TELL YOU, I I MANAGE THE BUILDING NEXT TO THIS ALLEY THAT'S BEEN CLOSED AND WE'VE HAD TWO VEHICLES HIT BY THE FENCE THAT'S FALLEN OVER AND PROPERLY SECURED MM-HMM
AND THEY'VE BEEN OKAY WITH THAT.
BUT IT HAS AFFECTED THE BUSINESSES THAT OPERATE.
THAT'S, UM, THERE'S EIGHT UNITS IN THAT ONE BUILDING AND THEN ANOTHER UNIT ON THE NEXT SIDE OF THAT BUILDING THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS.
BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF 'EM HAVE SEEN A DECREASE IN BUSINESS FROM IT BEING SH FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND I SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION MURPHY THEATER BUILDING.
BUT I WILL SAY, UH, THIS WEEKEND ALONE, THAT BUILDING NEIGHBORING, IT HOSTED PEOPLE THAT VACATIONED IN FRONT ROYAL FROM OTHER STATES ALL WEEKEND.
THIS WEEKEND FOR 4TH OF JULY, THEY CAME TO FRONT ROYAL AND CHIN NATIONAL PARK TO CELEBRATE
SO, UM, I HAVE TO TELL THEM, WALK PAST THE FENCE AND GO DOWN, AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET YOU'LL FIND A BAKERY DOWN ON THE LEFT, YOU FIND A SPORTS CAR.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.
THEY, OTHER THAN HIKING AND KAYAKING AND CANOEING, THEY WERE EATING AND SHOPPING LOCALLY FOR THREE DAYS AND PAUL HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE.
THEY SAY IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY'LL COME.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT HYBRID WHERE YOU STILL HAVE DRIVING AND ACCESSIBILITY, BUT THEN YOU STILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE DANCING IN DOWNTOWN.
MY CHIEF CLOSING THAT STREET, IS THAT ANY PROBLEM FOR SAFETY OR ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF?
I MEAN, I I'M TALKING ABOUT MAIN STREET.
COUNCILMAN, DO YOU MIND COMING UP HERE? I JUST, I'M REALLY TRYING REALLY HARD FOR US ABOUT YELLING OUT INTO THE AUDIENCE SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR YOUR RESPONSE.
I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THIS.
THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING ABOUT.
I WOULD'VE TO, I DON'T HAVE OPINION RIGHT NOW.
SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I, YEAH, WE NEED INPUT FROM THAT TOO.
YEAH, NO, I MEAN, I'M, I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE INPUT BUT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT NOW.
SO COUNSEL, ARE YOU READY TO PUT THIS ON THE 27TH OR DO WE WANNA WAIT UNTIL AUGUST TO GIVE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR? YOU KNOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING IT FORWARD AND EVEN IF WE HAVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC OPEN HEARING OPEN TO HEAR IT AGAIN IN AUGUST, IT UH, IT RAISES MORE AWARENESS.
WE GET MORE TIME TO HAVE FEEDBACK.
IT GIVES STAFF MORE TIME TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS COUNSEL MAY HAVE.
UM, AND IT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED THAT WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GUARANTEE THAT IT'S GONNA STAY ON.
WE CAN, UNLESS THE COUNCIL ALL SAYS YEAH, THEY'RE WILLING TO LEAVE IT OPEN.
WELL IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL OF 'EM.
WELL, TO EXPAND UPON COUNCIL MC SEA'S POINT, UM, THAT IS A VIABLE QUESTION BECAUSE WHAT ABOUT FIRETRUCKS GETTING THROUGH THERE? YOU KNOW, IS THEY GOING, THEY FIT THROUGH THERE NOW? I DON'T THINK THEY FIT THROUGH THERE.
MEAN I DON'T GET, BUT I MEAN, ARE THEY HAVE ANY CONCERN FOR IT? THEY DON'T GO THROUGH IT FOR FIRE ACCESS OR ANYTHING.
YOU WOULDN'T PUT A FIRE TRUCK THROUGH THERE ANYWAY.
YEAH, I WILL SAY THAT I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL BUSINESS OWNERS DOWNTOWN AND THEY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH CLOSING UP.
THEY DON'T SEE IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THEIR BUSINESS.
NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I ARE, WE ALWAYS ONCE DON, WE ALL SEE EACH OTHER OUT IN THE VALLEY AND USUALLY IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT ABOUT SOMETHING, WE USUALLY HEAR ABOUT IT.
SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE THE ONES WHO TOLD ME IT WAS BEING CLOSED DOWN AND TURNED INTO A EATERY ALLEY.
AND I, AND I WAS LIKE, OH, SNOOZE TO ME.
YES, MR. PETTY AND JUST TO THE, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NO DESIGN YET, BUT I WOULD ENVISION SOMETHING SIMILAR TO KID LANE IN FALL CIRCLE, FOSTERS, I DON'T THINK HAS ANYTHING, BUT, UH, KID LANE HAS BOLLARDS AT THE END THAT CAN BE REMOVED.
SO IF THERE WERE AN EMERGENCY OR SOMETHING, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T GET TO IT FROM MAIN STREET WOULD BE CHALLENGING.
BUT FROM THE BACK PARKING LOT, IF YOU HAD TO GET SOME TYPE OF APPARATUS DOWN THROUGH IT FROM A, SO FOR INSTANCE, THIS ONE, IF YOU HAD TO COME UP OF JACKSON, YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO GET, AND IF WE HAD REMOVABLE BOLLARDS OR SOMETHING AT THE END WHERE YOU COULD STILL GET ACCESS, I WOULD ASSUME WE WOULD DO SOME SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE ON OTHER PARTS OF MAIN STREET.
SO, BUT THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED
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IN A DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS.IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 27TH? OKAY.
SO PUBLIC, MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN LEAVE IT OPEN UNTIL, WELL, YOU HAVE TO MAKE, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A DECISION WE MAKE TO, IT ISN'T A DECISION WE ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO MAKE TONIGHT.
SOMEBODY ON COUNCIL WOULD MAKE THE MOTION TO LEAVE IT OPEN UNLESS SOMEBODY MAKES THE MOTION TO CLOSE IT BEFORE AND THAT HAS ENOUGH SUPPORT.
DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? RIGHT, MR. STEIN? AM I WRONG ABOUT THAT OR RIGHT.
IT'S GOTTA BE, I'M SAYING IT, IT'S DECIDED THAT NIGHT WHETHER TO LEAVE IT OVER.
THE QUESTION IS ABOUT ON JULY 7TH.
BELIEVE ME, IT'S MY 30TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY.
AND I'M LIKE, WELL HAVE TO NO, NO, IT WON'T BE TILL THEN.
AND, AND SO WHAT WOULD THE OPTIONS BE AVAILABLE TO COUNSEL? IS THAT THE QUESTION? NO, WE WOULD DECIDE THAT NIGHT IF WE'RE LEAVING IT OPEN OR FOR CLOSING.
I'M SAYING WE CAN'T DECIDE TONIGHT THAT WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT OPEN.
IT'LL BE A DECISION THAT NIGHT.
WITH OPTIONS THEN TO LEAVE OPEN, TO CLOSE IT AND TAKE ACTION LATER.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL, THERE'S A VARIETY OF THINGS.
TAKE NO ACTION OR TAKE NO ACTION.
THIS IS ONE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
BECAUSE NOBODY'S, IT'S NOT A LAND USE WHERE SOMEBODY'S ASKING FOR IT.
UH, THE NEXT NEW BUSINESS ITEM IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR 5 0 8 KENDRICK LANE.
AND SINCE MR. SONIC SAID HE WAS PREPPING FOR THAT, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA JUST MY USUAL, YOU'RE GONNA OFFER MY USUAL CAUTIONARY STATEMENT, WHICH IS, OKAY, THIS IS A, A LAND USE ITEM.
SO FOR PURPOSES OF A WORK SESSION AND, AND IT'S SUBJECT TO PUBLIC HEARING.
SO FOR PURPOSES, A WORK SESSION, IT'S INFORMATIONAL QUESTION AND ANSWER.
MS. KATI, OR THAT IS, ARE YOU UP FOR YOU, THE STAFF FOR THAT? I DON'T.
SO THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A JUNKYARD, OR SORRY, AN AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARD.
UM, WITHIN THE I TWO DISTRICT, IT'S AT 5 0 8 HENDRICK LANE.
UM, SO WITHIN OUR CURRENT DEFINITIONS, UM, AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARDS FALL UNDER JUNKYARDS.
SO, UM, THE INTENTION HERE IS THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO, UM, SCRAP OR TAKE CARS, STRIP THEM OF THEIR USABLE PARTS, THEN THEY WILL BE LEAVING THEM HERE.
SOME OF THEM THEY WILL BE SELLING, UM, THIS PARCEL IS ZONED I TWO.
SO IT CAN BE PERMITTED BY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, AND THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO USE IS RIGHT WHEN YOU COME OFF KENRICK LANE AND YOU COME INTO THE INDUSTRIAL SITE, YOU'VE GOT SOME FENCE OFF TOWING AREAS.
THERE USED TO BE A THINK HOLE HERE, IF YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
IT HAS BEEN FILLED IN AND THERE IS A ROAD NOW.
UM, SO THIS IS THE POTENTIAL AREA FOR THE JUNKYARD.
UM, THE NEXT SLIDE ONE THESE, OKAY, THIS WILL SHOW YOU THE AREA.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO APPROVE IT, YOU PLACED SOME VERY STRICT CONDITIONS ON THIS USE.
UM, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT PLACED WITHIN THE FLOOD AREA, UM, AND THAT YOU REQUIRE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE 17TH OF JUNE.
RECOMMENDED DENIAL SIMPLY BECAUSE THE APPLICANT DID NOT SHOW UP AND WAS NOT THERE TO ANSWER ANY OF THEIR QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THEY WERE GOING TO MITIGATE POTENTIAL GROUNDWATER POLLUTION.
THIS IS A NEW BUSINESS, NORMAN EXISTING BUSINESS CURRENTLY THIS, YES.
JUST, UM, THERE'S A JUNKYARD SOMEWHERE DOWN THERE.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A DOWN THERE.
THAT JUNKYARD EXISTED PRIOR TO THE CODE, CORRECT? YES.
AND SINCE THIS TIME, SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DID THE APPLICANT REACH OUT TO STAFF ABOUT ANY OF THE QUESTIONS OR CURRENT CONCERNS THAT CAME UP AT THE COMPLAIN? SAID AT THE TOWN COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
AND THAT'S RUSTIC RESTAURANTS FURNITURE? NO, WAIT,
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I'M SORRY.AND THEN THERE'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S, UM, DIFFERING LEGAL OPINIONS OVER, UM, THAT LAND USE WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARD FALLS UNDER JUNKYARD.
SO IN OUR DEFINITIONS, THERE'S ONE DEFINITION THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL OF IT, BUT THE USE THAT'S LISTED IS AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARD.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL WAS, WASN'T THIS ONE THAT HAD THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
SO WITH THIS ONE, THERE ARE COVENANTS OF THIS PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO, BUT THIS PORTION IS NOT.
SO THE EPA DOESN'T HAVE, AND THE CLEAN WATER PROJECT DOESN'T HAVE ANY STANDING HERE.
SO I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THEM.
THE APPLICANT HAD INITIALLY PROPOSED, UM, LEMME SHOW YOU WANTING THE USE TO OCCUR HERE IN THIS PORTION.
UM, AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SUBJECT TO THEIR COVENANT.
SO WITHIN THE COVENANTS, I THINK I NUMBER THREE SAID THAT NO JUNK CAN BE ON THERE.
SO I HAD TO GET CLARIFICATION, DO THESE CARS CONSTITUTE JUNK UNDER YOUR DEFINITIONS? THEY CAME BACK AND SAID YES.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT THEN MOVED THE REQUEST OVER TO THIS PORTION, WHICH IS NOT SUBJECT TO THEIR COVENANT.
WHERE DID I READ THE, I THOUGHT THAT I READ THE, THEY WERE SAYING WAS THAT FOR THE ORIGINAL LOCATION WHERE THEY SAID IT WAS SUBJECT TO THE COVENANTS? CORRECT.
JUNK WOULD FALL UNDER, LIKE THOSE CARS WOULD FALL UNDER THEIR DEFINITION OF JUNK AND WOULD BE SUBJECT TO IT.
BUT IF THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS NOT PART OF IT IS EAGLE.
UM, ISN'T THAT LIKE, ISN'T THAT LIKE TRACTOR TRAILER? AND THERE'S SOME COMPANY EAGLE THAT'S LIKE TRACTOR TRAILER, EAGLE, SKY INDUSTRIAL, I THINK LLC.
UM, THEY, THEY'RE THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO I, THEY'VE GOT NUMEROUS BUSINESSES ALL OVER NORTHERN VIRGINIA AREA AND IT'S NOT FOR THEM.
IT'S FOR A DIFFERENT BUSINESS THAT'S GONNA LEASE IT FROM THEM.
UM, I WAS JUST THINKING EAGLE.
I FEEL LIKE E WAS, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS LIKE A, UM, FRANCHISE.
SO THE INITIAL CALL THAT WE GOT FOR THIS WAS A ACTUAL VIOLATION CALLS.
WE WENT OUT THERE, THEY WERE ENGAGING IN IT.
UM, THE DMVS OFFICE ARE INVOLVED, I GUESS YOU NEED LICENSE.
SO THE CLEAN WATER PROJECT WAS BROUGHT IN BY OUR PLANNING AND ZONING.
UM, AND THIS WAS THE WAY TO, WELL FIRST THEY HAD TO CEASE THE, SO THEY CEASED AND THEN THIS IS THE WAY TO BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE, BUT IT ISN'T NEW PORTION.
AND THAT AREA THAT THEY WERE, UM, STRIPPING THESE CARS IN HAS NOW BEEN CLEANED UP.
IT WAS A PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, NO INDUSTRIAL USE SHALL RESULT IN THE DISCHARGE OF LIQUID SOLID WASTE AND ANY PUBLIC SEWER, PRIVATE SEWER, PUBLIC WATER SEWER INTO THE GROUND EXCEPT IN COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL LAW.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MEDIATION, I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU COULD REQUIRE ALL LIQUIDS TO BE DRAINED OUT OF THE VEHICLES, HOWEVER, LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE THAT? WELL, SO TYPICALLY WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD HAVE YOU, YOU WOULD PLACE A CONDITION THAT THERE WAS THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE SO THAT IF THERE WERE SOME TYPE OF DRAINAGE OR DISCHARGE ONE, IT WOULD NOT LEACH INTO THE GROUNDWATER, BUT IT WOULD ALSO SOMETHING, HOW CLOSE IS IT TO, UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THAT ONE AERIAL MAP? YEAH.
I MEAN IT'S, UH, HERE'S YOUR STREAM CHANNEL, HERE'S THE CENTER OF THE RIVER.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO, TO ACTUALLY MEASURE IT ON THE MAP.
SO HOW CLOSE IS IT TO THE FLOOD POINT THEN? IT'S IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
THIS PART OF THIS IS LIGHT BLUE? YES.
THIS IS A PORTION OF, THIS IS THE, UM, A FLOOD ZONE.
THIS IS YOUR AE, UM, WHICH IS ALSO, IT'S ON ONE OF YOUR, UM, IT, IT'S PAGE 2160 ON THIS.
AND IT SHOWS THAT WITH THE PLOT BLOOD PLANE PART OF IT, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT FINGER, THAT COMPLEXITY THERE, UH, LOOKS LIKE ABOUT THREE QUARTER HALF.
AND THEY COULD POTENTIALLY AVOID IT LIKE THE FLOODPLAIN AREA.
THEY CAN GET THE SURVEY, UM, AND AVOID IT.
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BUT IT'S JUST UP TO COUNCIL HOW YOU WANNA PROCEED WITH THIS.WANT TO MENTION THE IN SERVICE THARPS IS NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN, THE ONE GARAGE, ONE OF THE GARAGES DOWN WHEN YOU, IF YOU ZOOMED OUT, HE'S GOT A LARGE CHUNK OF IT IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
BUT HIS IS EXISTED PRIOR TO THIS.
I MEAN, HE'S NEVER LET HIS BUSINESS OPERATION CEASE FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS.
SO HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN THE, UM, AGENDA.
ON THE AGENDA IT SAYS THAT, UM, LETTERS WERE SENT TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS IDENTIFYING THEM OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT MEANT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
NO, I KNOW I WAS, I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE, UM, SO WHAT, WHAT WERE THOSE COMMENTS? LIKE THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO ONE, THEY SHOWED UP.
I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE SHORTEST MEETINGS WE HAD.
I'M SITTING HERE THINKING TO MYSELF, WELL, WHERE DID I READ ALL THIS STUFF? I THINK I KNOW WHERE I READ ALL THIS STUFF
BUT ONCE AGAIN, WHEN PEOPLE DON'T SHOW UP AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S HARD TO RECOGNIZE COMMENTS.
SINCE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, CONCERNED WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND THE POLLUTANTS, THE NATURE OF THE USE, THE RIVER, UM, THE LANDSCAPING BUFFERS AND THE OVERALL ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS.
HAS ACES, UM, SEEN THIS OR BEEN A PART OF THIS OR NO? NO, WE DON'T TYPICALLY ROUTE SPECIAL USE PERMITS TO THEM.
DO THEY GET NOTIFIED WHEN STAFF HAS CONCERNS ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY SINCE THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE NOT AN ADVISORY BOARD TO STAFF AND ADVISORY BOARD TO COUNCIL.
BUT COUNCIL'S WHO'S BEING PRESENTED THIS BY STAFF, NO.
SO THEIR FEEDBACK WOULD COME TO COUNCIL.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MS. COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAVE ACE SAYS, LOOK AT THIS, OR DO YOU ALL EVEN WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH IT? I MEAN, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T GET WELL, WE HAVE, WELL YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, WE HAVE TO HAVE TO BE REQUIRED TO, TO MOVE TO REMOVE THE, THE LIQUIDS OUT OF THE VEHICLE BEFORE THE BURNING THE VEHICLE.
WE WE'RE NOT GONNA CHECK EVERY VEHICLE THAT'S BROUGHT INTO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S EMPTY PRIOR TO THEM DOING THAT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING SA IS GONNA BE ABLE TO DO.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'D BE POSSIBLE LOGISTICALLY IF VEHICLE'S IN AN ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING AND THEY'RE CLEARING THE ROADWAY TO LIKE TRAIN ALL THE FLUID WE ZONING IS CONCERNED.
PLANNING AND ZONING IS CONCERNED WITH THE LAND USE.
THE DAILY OPERATION OF THEIR BUSINESS IS NOT NECESSARILY A ZONING BATTER.
SO HIS BATTER, IS IT? YEAH, THE REASON I ASK THE QUESTION IS WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT AREA IS A SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AREA.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THE US TAXPAYERS SPEND A LOT OF MONEY JUST CLEANING UP.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE CAR BLEW.
IT'LL BE THE WORST FIND I, ANY, ANY, ANY POLLUTANT ADDITIONAL IS A PROBLEM.
SO I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU ALL HEARD.
'CAUSE IN THE CONVERSATIONS WHEN SHE SAID PLANNING AND ZONING DOESN'T DO THAT.
AND THEN I SAID, WELL, WHO IS IN CHARGE OF LIKE THESE STRONG CONDITIONS RELATED TO ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND STUFF? AND YOU SAID, SO THE DMV IS THE ONE THAT REGULATES THEIR LICENSE TO SCRAP THESE VEHICLES AND DISTRICT THEM.
SO, UM, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE IS THAT THEY WOULD BE OUT THERE CHECKING AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO STAY LICENSED.
SO IF WE PUT STRONG RESTRICTIONS ON A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR LAND USE, WE DON'T ACTUALLY INSPECT AND RESTRICT THEM.
I CAN ENFORCE THE RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU PLACE.
RIGHT? SO IF YOU GUYS SAY, HEY, THEY NEED TO HAVE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES FOR THESE VEHICLES TO SIT IN, I CAN GO OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE VEHICLES ARE NOT SITTING IN THE DIRT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN ENFORCE.
I CANNOT ENFORCE IF THERE IS A DROP OF LIQUID THAT COMES OUT OF ONE OF THESE SCRAPS VEHICLES AND GOES INTO THE GROUND OR INTO THE GROUND.
I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POINT IN THE RESTRICTIONS ARE.
WE CAN'T ACTUALLY USE THOSE RESTRICTIONS.
YOU CAN REQUIRE, UM, MORE BUFFERING.
UM, YOU CAN RESTRICT THEM TO A CERTAIN AREA, UM, REQUIRE FENCING.
LIKE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN OFFSET THE IMPACT OF THE USE.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WHEN YOU MAKE A CONDITION, THAT'S WHAT I CAN GO AND INSPECT AND ENFORCE.
LIKE, UM, LIKE IF THEY CLOSE AN INTERSECTION, FOR EXAMPLE, WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT CURBING THE GUTTER HAS BEEN INSTALLED AND THAT THAT INTERSECTION IS CLOSED DOWN.
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BUT I CANNOT MONITOR THEIR DAY TO DAY.SO ARE THE CONDITIONS ONLY INSPECTED ON A COMPLAINT BASIS? WE'LL GO OUT THERE WHEN I ISSUE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UM, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT THE ASPHALT HAS BEEN PLACED.
SO I WON'T ISSUE THAT LETTER UNTIL THE ASPHALT'S THERE AND THEN ALL THE LANDSCAPING IS THERE.
BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, IF I DON'T GET A COMPLAINT, WE DON'T GO BACK.
SO THE SECOND PART ABOUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WHERE IT SAYS, HOWEVER, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE USE STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND POLLUTANTS REACHING RIVER, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL WAS CONCERNED ABOUT AND PROBABLY WHAT CITIZENS OR WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT AS WELL.
CAN ANY, COULD THE RESTRICTIONS, UM, IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU LIKE, COUNSEL STRONG CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, COULD THERE BE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE SO FAR, SO, SO FAR AWAY FROM THE FLOOD PLANE OR SO MANY FEET AWAY FROM, SOUNDS LIKE A GEORGE RIVER, HERE'S A NATIONAL BASIS, ANY REASONABLE CONDITION SAYING, WELL, THAT SEEMS REASONABLE TO BE, HE'S SAYING YES.
WELL, I'M SAYING IS ANY CONDITIONS THAT WE PLACE AS THE COUNCIL, I MEAN, I I KNOW ALL, EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY HERE AT THE TABLE WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE HAVING ANY ENGINEERS IN OUR BACKGROUND RIGHT NOW.
TO, IT WOULD JUST BE KIND OF SUBJECTIVE FOR US TO PULL STUFF OUTTA THE AIR IF WE WERE TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON IT.
I MEAN, WHAT WE MIGHT WORK, I MEAN, I KNOW EROSION CONTROL, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE HECK WOULD BE NEEDED THERE FOR TRYING TO MITIGATE A LOT OF THIS STUFF.
AND SECOND, WELL, ONE OF, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS I HAVE IS THE FACT THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP AT THEIR, AT THEIR MEETING.
THAT JUST TELLS ME THAT OBVIOUSLY.
WELL IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T SHOW UP FOR YOUR MEETING, IT'S NOT FOR THEM.
IT'S FOR SOMEBODY LEAVING IT FROM YEAH.
SO, SO WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? I MEAN, I DON'T BLAME COMM PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DENYING IT.
YEAH, I MEAN AT THIS POINT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I SAY TO DO AS WELL.
UNTIL THEY COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND EXPLAIN TO THEM, ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS FIRST.
SAY ONE OF A RECENT APPLICATION THAT WE HAD, IT WAS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY CAME AND ANSWERED QUESTIONS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE LEASING IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? LIKE RIGHT OUT THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, WHICH HIRES USED TO BE THE OLD JIFFY LU PLACES ONE ON THE HIRES.
BUT I'M SAYING THOUGH, BOTH OF THEY WERE AVAILABLE TO, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T FOR THEIR USE, IT WAS THEY WERE GONNA BE LEASING IT.
BUT YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT, LIKE I'VE BEEN, I WAS SAYING THAT WHEN I WAS SITTING IN YOUR ALL SEATS, WHEN PEOPLE APPLIED FOR SOMETHING AND THEN DIDN'T EVEN SHOW UP AT THE MEETING TO FIELD QUESTIONS THAT, THAT THEY HAD.
LIKE, I MEAN, JUST SAY, HEY, I CAN'T BE THERE FOR THAT ONE AND, AND MOVE THE MEETING TO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER NIGHT OR WHATEVER.
SO I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT OUR CANOES, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT I DON'T WANT THAT NECESSARILY WANT THAT VISION FROM THE TOURISM STANDPOINT.
LOTS OF, LOTS OF QUESTIONS HERE.
SO THE QUE THE QUESTION IS DO YOU ALL, I STILL HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I THINK IS UNRESOLVED AND MAYBE IT COULD BE ANSWERED VIA EMAIL, BUT THIS IS NOW TWICE THAT IT'S COME UP IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
AND NOW I GUESS I'M EVEN MORE CONFUSED.
ACES IS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THIS COUNCIL OUTSIDE OF THE LONE PINE DAY AND THINGS THAT WE INVITE THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN AS VOLUNTEERS.
WE HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE COUNCIL ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND POLLUTANTS.
I MEAN, DOES EVERYBODY HERE, REMEMBER WHEN WE CHANGED THE NAME ACES TO ACES AND WHAT THAT ACRONYM STANDS FOR? SO I GUESS FROM A TOWN MANAGER STANDPOINT, IS IT COUNCIL'S JOB TO ASK ACES ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO COME OFFER US THEIR ADVISEMENT WHEN STAFF GIVES US SOMETHING ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY? SO RECENTLY I ACTUALLY MET WITH, UM, JUSTIN AND CELESTE FROM MACES.
AND WE HAD THIS EXACT DISCUSSION OF WHAT THEIR ROLE IS AND YOU KNOW, AND I THINK EVEN THEM, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE DONE ON PINE DAY AND SOME OTHER PROGRAMS AND NOW THEY WANT TO EXPAND ON WHAT THEY DO.
SO WE DISCUSSED HOW DO WE INVOLVE THEM WITH SIMILAR, WHAT WE DO WITH OTHER, WE, WE DISCUSS THIS IN GENERAL LIKE, OR SPECIFICALLY SPECIAL USE PERMITS, SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA.
TYPICALLY WE WILL, AND THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE AND LAUREN CAN TOUCH IN, BUT YOU SEEK COMMENTS, BUILDING INSPECTIONS, VDOT, HEALTH DEPARTMENT, ALL THESE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, DO WE NEED TO START INVOLVING ACES? AND THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT JUSTIN CELESTE AND I WERE HAVING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD IF UNDERSTANDING WHEN THEY SHOULD BE INVOLVED, WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON
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IDENTIFYING IS TO KEEPING THEM ACTIVELY INVOLVED RATHER THAN JUST PLAYING.WELL I I THINK TOWN CODE LAYS IT OUT TOO.
CODE THAT WRITTEN THAT'S CODE TOWN CODE.
WE WALKED THROUGH THE TOWN CODE.
UM, SPECIFICALLY AND THEIR APPOINTMENTS AND ALL THESE THINGS.
AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT.
AND THIS WAS JUST RECENTLY, UM, GIVEN THE, ONE OF THE RECENT, UH, LAND USE DECISIONS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING.
SO I GUESS THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M LOOKING ON CLARIFICATION FOR GOING FORWARD.
BECAUSE I KNOW LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER ADVISORY COMMITTEES, I THINK WAYNE, YOU SERVED ON ONE OF 'EM BEFORE YOU SERVED ON COUNCIL AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR MAYBE APPEALS.
SO ANYWAY, NONETHELESS, I'M, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS COUNCIL'S JOB TO GO OUT AND SOLICIT THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY BECAUSE THE PEOPLE SITTING ON THAT BOARD HAVE BACKGROUNDS THAT I WOULDN'T EVEN TRY TO PRETEND TO BE QUALIFIED.
AND YOU GOT SOMETHING THAT, IT'S LIKE EVERY NAME OF THEIR ACRONYM IS IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
ONE OF THINGS THAT WE, LIKE I SAID, WE AS WE MET TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE TOWN CODE SAYS AND WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN DOING AND, AND I THINK WE WANT TO INVOLVE THEM MORE.
AND SO WE WE'RE HAVING THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THEIR MEETINGS AND THAT PROCESS AND, AND HOW THEY GET MORE INVOLVED.
AND I THINK THEY RECENTLY KIND OF STEPPED OUT INTO THAT WORLD REGARDING THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE.
AND I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE MORE IN THAT PROCESS AND WE'RE HAPPY TO INVITE THEM.
I THINK IT'S JUST, I'M, IT WAS KIND OF A NEW DISCUSSION FOR ALL OF US THERE, GEORGE, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE OBLIGATED TO INCLUDE THEM IF IT'S WRITTEN IN TOWN CODE UNLESS WE CHANGE TIME CODE.
WELL, UH, SO I'M NOT, I HAVEN'T REVIEWED THAT IN, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG.
SO, BUT IT, IT MUST HAVE A MISSION STATEMENT OF SOME SORT.
I, I DON'T KNOW WORD FOR WORD, BUT YES, IT DOES TALK ABOUT THEM PROVIDING GUIDANCE AND JUST NOT ONLY TALKS, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY TO HOW THEY ARE ENGAGED OR HOW THEY PARTICIPATE.
BUT THIS IS NEW FOR THEM AS WELL AS, AND I THINK WE DO ANTICIPATE BRINGING THEM IN.
IT JUST, THAT WAS THREE WEEKS AGO.
WELL, AND I FEEL LIKE THE REASON IT CAME UP WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD BY STAFF IN A MEETING THAT I WATCHED THE RECORDING TO, THAT IT WASN'T THEIR PLACE TO OFFER THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY OFFERED.
I THINK IT WAS THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK.
I THINK THAT, OR I'M JUST GONNA JUMP IN THERE FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE I, I WOULD ACTUALLY AGREE WITH VICE MAYORAL ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION BECAUSE IT DOES TALK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF POINT.
LIKE DO I THINK EVERY LAND USE THING NEEDS TO GO TO ACES? NO, I, I THINK THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY IT WAS THE UAC IS THE NAME OF THAT COMMITTEE.
URBAN FORESTRY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND THEN EAC, WE CHANGED IT TO EAC, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND, AND THAT WAS ON, THAT ALL CAME ABOUT ON A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ISSUE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, PREDATES MOST PEOPLE HERE.
UM, AND THEN WE CHANGED THE ACRONYM AROUND TO ACES OR WHATEVER.
BUT I THINK SOMETHING ENVIRONMENTAL, I THINK HAVING THEIR, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE GIVING COUNCIL, HERE'S SOME, HERE'S SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT WE SEE.
WHAT I THINK THEY, THIS IS MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK IT'S THEIR JOB TO GO OUT INTO THE PUBLIC AND REPRESENT THE TOWN'S COMMITTEE IN OTHER AVENUES.
NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK THEIR JOB IS TO ADVISE COUNSEL ON WHAT THEY, WHAT THINGS BEFORE US, BUT NOT NECESSARILY TO GO OUT AND TALK.
I'M MAKING THIS UP LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM TO GO OUT AND LIKE CONTACT, YOU KNOW, SOME COMPANY IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA OR GO TO A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN IN NORFOLK OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEIR JOB IS TO ADVISE US IF THEY HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT PERSONALLY BY ALL MEANS GO TO WHEREVER.
I JUST THINK THOUGH THEY'RE THE FRONT ROYAL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FRONT ROW BOARD.
SO THEY'RE ADVISING US THAT THEIR PERSONAL OPINIONS ARE THEIR PERSONAL OPINIONS.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OF US SITTING HERE TODAY AND HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE PUBLIC AND SAYING, AND I SAT ON THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL, BUT MY OPINIONS AREN'T A REFLECTION OF THE TOWN COUNCIL.
SO THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SAY THAT THEY SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE.
AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY WITHIN THEIR RIGHT.
BUT THEY DON'T REPRESENT THE TOWN.
THEY WELL THEY'RE IN THEIR ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
IT'S JUST LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADVISES US, BUT THEY DON'T SPEAK FOR THE TOWN.
I MEAN THAT'S THE, THAT'S THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
BUT I DO THINK THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, AND THERE HAVEN'T BEEN A LOT OF NECESSARILY ISSUES THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN BEFORE US, THAT HAD THIS, UM, HAD THIS TYPE OF TOPIC OR THIS, THIS CONCERN THAT WE HAVE.
LIKE, I'M TRYING TO THINK TO TOUCH ON EVERY POINT OF THE ACRONYM.
BUT I THINK WHEN YOU THINK OF A BIG PICTURE AND IF EACH OF YOU READING THE TOWN CODE, WHAT THEIR JOB IS AND WHAT THEY WERE APPOINTED
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TO DO, SUSTAINABILITY'S A BIG THING THAT WRAPS INTO WAY MORE THAN JUST THESE TYPE OF ITEMS. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN DONE AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE BEFORE WE HEAR THIS AT A PUBLIC HEARING IS TO HEAR FROM ACES OR GET THEIR FEEDBACK ALONG WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY EDUCATED ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.AND FLIP WOULD BE THAT WE DO SEND, WHETHER WE AS A COUNCIL THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
WE ARE ALSO NOTIFYING ARE THEY, LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS BEFORE USING PRIVATE PERSONAL EMAILS FOR THEIR, DO THEY HAVE EMAILS ASSIGNED AS AN APPOINTMENT BOARD? I DON'T ROUTE THINGS TO THEM.
I DON'T THINK THEY, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TOWN EMAILS BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION USED TO NOT EITHER, WHICH I DIDN'T THINK APPROPRIATE.
I DON'T EVEN THINK I, THEY'RE NOT ON THE TOWN WEBSITE AS A YEAH, I THINK THEY WERE, THE LAST TWO HAVE BEEN RECORDED BY A CITIZEN.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD RECENTLY DISCUSSED AND I THINK IT SAYS THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE THIS.
I DON'T THINK THAT TOWN CODE IS SPECIFIC AND HOW THAT PROCESS IS, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WORK ON.
AND I THINK THEY WERE REALLY FOCUSED ON SOME OF THE OTHER PARTS OF THEIR MISSION, WHICH WE'VE DONE WITH DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY GRANTS AND OTHER GREAT INITIATIVES.
BUT I THINK IT'S NOW AS THEY'VE ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES, THEY THEY WANT TO DO THESE THINGS.
UM, LIKE I SAID JUST RECENTLY THAT WE MET.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE PROCESS IS DEFINED IN HOW WE DO THAT.
BUT IF WE CAN GET CONSENSUS FROM THE GROUP TO GET THAT, UH, ADVISOR RECOMMENDATION FROM ACES, I THINK THEY JUST MET.
SO AS A GROUP THEY WOULD EITHER CALL SPECIAL MEETING OR IT WOULD BE NEXT MONTH.
WHAT? WELL, I GUESS THAT'S THE, THE REASON I'VE ASKED, 'CAUSE WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF EMAILS OVER MY YEARS FROM JUSTIN PROCTOR ABOUT FUN LITTLE UPDATES OR THIS IS AVAILABLE OR WE CAN, YOU KNOW, EXPAND APP WALK OR APP CRADLE STUFF TOO.
YEAH, THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL WAS EXACTLY WHAT I'M THE WALKABILITY.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH MY EMAILS IF THOSE WERE COMING FROM A PERSONAL EMAIL.
BUT ANY BOARD YOU SET ON, I FEEL LIKE YOU DESERVE TO HAVE AN APPROPRIATE PROFESSIONAL AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAVE THE SAME STANDARD OF COMMUNICATION.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'D BE INTERESTED.
'CAUSE I KNOW PLANNING COMMISSION DIDN'T HAVE THAT EITHER.
UM, UM, I'M, I CAN SAY I THINK IF SOMETIMES YOU SEND THESE BOARDS AND I KNOW IT SITS BEHIND ME, SO I DON'T, HEY, IT'S, BUT I THINK IT IS FROM FOIA DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE AN APPROPRIATE COMMUNICATION.
BECAUSE SPEAKING OF FOIA AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE HAVE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE ADVISING THE COUNCIL FROM PERSONAL EMAILS OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T KNOW, I I'M JUST LOOKING WHEN JUSTIN SENT THE INFORMATION MM-HMM
AND THAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO ALL OF US PLUS, UM, LAUREN AND, UH, A FEW PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH HIS WORK.
SO, AND MAY SO, SO THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW TO MAYBE ESTABLISH THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET INFORMATION SO THAT IT IS VOIDABLE.
IT'S JUST IRONIC THAT IT'S COME UP TWICE IN ONE MONTH.
SO IT'S LIKE WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT, BUT DO WE NEED TO ADD, DOES THIS COUNCIL NEED TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR ACES TO REVIEW THIS APPLICATION OR IS IT IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO DO THAT, IS IT? I MEAN, I THINK IF GEORGE TOWN CODE, IT SAYS, BUT I'M SAYING LIKE TOWN CO I MEAN DEADLINES, I MEANT DEADLINES.
ARE WE, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DO THAT? SO YEAH, IT'S JUST THE MISSION STATEMENT.
WE, THIS WE CAN DELAY THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL AUGUST.
AUGUST IS WE, SO WE'RE WITHIN A TIMEFRAME FOR THAT.
OKAY, SO THEN AND AND THEN MY CONSENSUS, YEAH, A DIRECTIVE TO ACES IS DOES ANYBODY OPPOSED TO HAVING ACES REVIEW THIS APPLICATION AND ANY INFORMATION THAT STAFF HAS AND UM, AND MAYBE ASK JUSTIN TO AS THE CHAIRMAN OF IT, TO TYPE IT UP AND PROVIDE IT TO YOU, MR. BETTY, AND THEN WE'LL INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THE AGENDA.
I HATE TO BE A THORN IN YOUR SIDE, MR. SONNET, BUT I DO NOT FEEL LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT COUNSEL DECIDES IF THEY WANT AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S ADVISOR.
I FEEL LIKE THAT IS WHAT THEY WERE APPOINTED TO DO IS GIVE THEIR ADVISEMENT WHETHER WE WANT IT OR NOT.
WELL, I, I'LL I'LL WAIT FOR YOU TO REVIEW THEIR MISSION STATEMENT AND THE TOWN CODE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING FOR US TO GO AROUND AND SAY DO WE WANT IT, I'M ASSUMING THEY WERE APPOINTED TO SAYING THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
I'M ASSUMING THE MISSION STATEMENT IS RATHER VAGUE AND SO YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK.
BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING ON THIS PARTICULAR THING, WE'RE ASKING FOR THEIR ADVISEMENT.
AGAIN, I WOULD ASSUME, WHICH I KNOW WE SHOULD NOT, BUT I WOULD ASSUME, LIKE WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THEIR ADVISEMENT ON EVERY LAND USE APPLICATION THAT COMES IN FORENSIC OF COUNSEL.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE BECAUSE
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THEY DON'T NEED ENOUGH TO DO THAT.THEY, THEY DON'T NEED ENOUGH TO HAVE TIME TO, WITH SOME PROCEDURE TO ROUTE THINGS TO THEM IN THE FUTURE.
BUT THAT'S GONNA TAKE TIME AND NOT, I WOULD LIKE IT TO COME FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
YEAH, NO, I ALREADY, BUT BETWEEN NOW, SO YEAH.
HAVE, YOU KNOW WHAT PUT ON FOR NEXT WEEK? I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO SAY WE, THE LUCKY THING IS WE, THE 13TH IS NEXT WEEK WE, MAYBE WE FIND OUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WHAT THE, WHAT THE PROCEDURE MIGHT BE.
I WILL SAY THAT WHILE WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING THAT, THAT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR MISSION AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BECAUSE I KNOW EVEN LIKE THE ABOLITION TRAIL STUFF, THEY CAME TO US ABOUT TRYING TO GET GRANTS AND STUFF AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS NECESSARILY AN ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, BUT WE ENTERTAINED IT BECAUSE THEY'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT TOO.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT IN WHAT YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED IN YOUR PREVIOUS RUNNING FOR THIS OFFICE IS THE SAME AS, WHAT'S THE POINT IN HAVING A TOWN, A TOWN, UH, CODE IF YOU DON'T ENFORCE IT? ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S WHAT'S THE POINT IN HAVING A COMMITTEE IF YOU DON'T ACTIVATE THEM? SO, AND I, AND I, THE FEW INTERACTIONS I'VE HAD WITH JUSTIN AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE ARE FANTASTIC.
I MEAN, EVEN LIKE THE GARDEN TOURS THAT I'VE, YOU KNOW, GOT TO GO AROUND AND SEE, BUT IT'S LIKE, OKAY, PEOPLE DON'T SIGN UP FOR A JOB TO DO NOTHING.
THEY WANNA DO A JOB, SO LET'S LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.
WELL, THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO, UM, PROVIDE US CONSULTATION AND SOME EASY CONSULTATION, SUPPOSED TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS.
SO LET'S TAKE OUR INFORMATION FROM YEAH.
PEOPLE THAT ARE BOARD, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE DROP OFF THE BOARDS BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY NEVER MET OR DID ANYTHING.
AND ACES ACTUALLY HAS PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPOINTED BY THE BOARD, BUT THEY WELCOME OTHER PEOPLE TO COME TO THE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE EXTRA VOLUNTEERS AND EXTRA PEOPLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'LL BE ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA AND, UH, MOTOR, UH, CHESTER, UH, BLAH BLAH, JACKSON AND EAST MAIN STREET, CHURCH STREET.
THAT'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 27TH.
WE ALREADY DID THE ACTION ITEM AND OUR NEXT ITEM IS CLOSED MEETING.
I TOLD YOU IT WAS GONNA BE A SHORT ONE.
I JUST WANNA ADMIT THAT I TOLD MR. PETTY EARLIER TODAY, IF I WOULD'VE REALLY BEEN ON MY GAME AND NOT BEEN WORRIED ABOUT OTHER, THE
WE GET TO GO HOME AND HAVE DINNER.
NOBODY'S GONNA COMPLAIN ABOUT GOING EARLY, BUT, BUT YOU COULD HAVE A WHOLE NIGHT THOUGH.
WELL, MR. MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2711 2.23712 FOLLOWING PURPOSE.
ONE PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.23711 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION WERE INTERVIEWS OF RECORD CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT, ASSIGNMENT, EMPLOYMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY OR SPECIFICALLY A, THE TOWN MANAGER, YOUR B TOWN ATTORNEY, AND C APPOINTS TO THE PLAN COMMITTEE.
COUNCILMAN DOMINICAN PAIN? YES.