* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. SO [00:00:01] CALL THIS MEETING TO [Board of Architectural Review on May 12, 2026.] ORDER. SO THIS IS THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR, UM, 2012. 2026. UM, LEMME GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE. CHAIRMAN WALKERS HERE. MS. HENRY IS OUT TONIGHT. MR. CUTBACK HERE. VICE CHAIRMAN AERS IS OUT. MS. N HERE, WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. UH, PREVIOUS MINUTES FROM THE WORK SESSION AND WE'RE AT A MEETING ON FEBRUARY 10TH. REVIEW THOSE. YES. ANY SESSIONS, COMMENTS? NO. MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. NEW BUSINESS APPLICATION 1 42. GOT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BUT ADVISED CHERYL SPAN ON BEHALF OF MBS ROYAL TO REMOVE AN EXISTING DETERIORATED WOOD SHINGLE ROOF AND REPLACE IT WITH CC METAL AT 56. CHECK. EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE PACKET? YES. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP? SURE, THANKS. OH, RIGHT. YOUR HANDOUTS WITH YOU. I BOUGHT, I BROUGHT ONE HANDOUT, A VISUAL AND SOMETHING FIELD. COOL. SO I WAS SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT THAT BUILDING WAS APPARENTLY BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES. I HAD NO IDEA IT WAS LOOKING AT, WAS THIS BUILT IN 1940? HMM. THIS WAS BUILT IN 1940. 1940 ACCORDING TO OUR DOCUMENTATION THERE, THIS IS THE HISTORIC SURVEY THAT WE GO OFF OF. COMES DOWN IN THE NINETIES. DID SAY SEVENTIES. YEAH. WELL IT COULD BE THAT THE, THE WING TOWARDS THE STREET IS NEWER TOO. POSSIBLY THE PUBLIC RECORDS IN 1940, BUT I WAS JUST LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THE ERA WAS RIGHT IN THAT BUILDING. AND WE ARE KIND OF BOUND BY THE, THE SURVEY, UM, THEY'RE SAYING IN THE SEVENTIES, I'M SURE TO MY EYE. YEAH, IT DOESN'T SEEM POSSIBLE. IT SEEMS MUCH OLDER, BUT UM, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A KIND OF A UNIQUE BUILDING ON THE STREET, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT SHAKE ROOF. ALWAYS KIND OF A COOL, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUSLY AN AWFUL CONDITION. I GO AHEAD AND JUST SAY YES. OKAY. IT IS IN HORRIFIC CONDITION. UH, THERE ARE HOLES, THERE ARE LEAKS, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THERE. IT'S BEEN RAINING FOR THE LAST MONTH. BEEN WAITING FOR THIS POOR MEETING. CAN I YOU FOR ONE SECOND? YEAH. MS. SCOTT, COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND, HI. CHERYL SPANGLER. OKAY. UM, AND JOSO SAUERS THE OWNER OF MBS ? YES. YOU REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER? YES. OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANKS SIR. UM, YEAH, SO WE, THEY WANTED TO GET IT REPLACED. THEY GOT A COUPLE ESTIMATES, UM, WANTED TO DO THE SHAPER. HE LOVES THE ROOF, LOVE THE ROOF. VERY ORIGINAL, BUT IS PRONE TO INFESTATIONS. IT HAS A LOT OF GARMENT. UH, THESE, JUST EVERYTHING THAT CAN GET INTO THE WOOD, IT IS COMPLETELY DESTROYED. I HAVE OVER 120 PHOTOS OF JUST EVERY ANGLE. SO YES, WE GOT 'EM. IT NEEDS NOT JUST TO BE TAKEN. SO WE WANTED TO REPLACE IT. THE COST WAS AROUND 120,000, UM, OUT AN ESTIMATE FOR ONE 10. LIKE NO ONE'S COMING IN CHEAPER, JUST CONTRACTOR COST. SO HE HAS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ACTUALLY INVESTED IN FRONT ROYAL AND ALL THESE MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SO IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE FOR HIM TO REPLACE IT AT THAT COST. UM, WE WANTED TO ACTUALLY COME HERE TO DISCUSS, UH, ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE GAINED HISTORIC VALUE. UM, AND ALSO THE HE WHAT IT SHOULD BE, AND ALSO JUST FOR THE LIFESPAN OF, OF THE QUALITY AND KIND OF BLENDING IN WITH THE OTHER UNIQUE ARCHITECTURE. HE WENT WITH THE STANDING SCENE. KIND OF A, LIKE A, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SHINY, IT'S NOT, IT'S KIND OF MATT MM-HMM . MM-HMM . AND, UM, IT WILL LOOK VERY, VERY NICE ON THERE. KIND OF A NICE PHOTOGRAPH YOU INCLUDED. YEAH. IT JUST SHOWS LIKE IT'S NOT SHINY OR WEIRD OR OFF. IT KIND OF BLENDS IN AND LOOKS NATURAL. LIKE IT'S NOT EVEN WHAT'S THE ROOF NEXT DOOR? THE MIDDLE DOOR IS A LITTLE BIT OF MORE OF LIKE A BROWN TIN. MM-HMM . METAL ACROSS THE STREET IS, LOOKS LIKE ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES, REGULAR ASPHALT SHINGLES. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER BLACK ACROSS THE STREET. BUT, [00:05:01] UM, PRIMARILY THIS IS A 40 TO 70 YEAR ROOF. IT'S A GAUGE 26. IT'S, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF UNDER LAYMAN THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED ALONG WITH IT, BUT WE ARE PREPARED TO DO IT RIGHT AWAY IF YOU GUYS APPROVE IT. AND I DO THINK IT WILL MAINTAIN THE ARCHITECTURAL KIND OF LOOK OF THE STREET AND ACTUALLY IMPROVE EVERYTHING ASIDE FROM HAVING ALL BRAND NEW SHAKE SHINGLES. THIS IS, I THINK IT'S ATTRACTIVE. SO, UM, WHAT OTHER COMMENTS THAT I MAY HAVE AT THE TIME? UM, MAINLY THAT IT IS JUST, THERE'S NOTHING I'M, I MEAN, YOU SAID WHY, WHY SHOULD IT BE OF HISTORICAL YOU SAID? BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT THE NON-CONFORMING INSTRUCTION, I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE COMPLETELY IT LISTED AS NON CONTRIBUTED WHEN THEY FIRST MADE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT YEAH. CONTRIBUTOR, WHICH WAS IN THE 19, YOU SAID THEY MADE THE HISTORIC FOUR. YEAH. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WATER ON THE CREEK THEN. NOW IT'S A UNIQUE, TECHNICALLY EVEN IT WAS BUILT TECHNICALLY NOW IT'S A HISTORICAL, IT'S A HISTORICAL THING, BUT YEAH, I KNOW THAT YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE ROOF FROM BOTH THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT SIDE, NOT NECESSARILY STRAIGHT ON MM-HMM . BUT I DO THINK AS PEOPLE ARE DRIVING BOTH WAYS, IT WILL STAND OUT AS BEING ATTRACTIVE VERSUS JUST, OH, IT LOOK LIKE EVERY OTHER HOME IN VIRGINIA WITH A SHING WITH AN ASPHALT SHINGLE. RIGHT. AND, UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. IT'S, IT'S READY TO BE DONE IF YOU GUYS WOULD APPROVE IT. WELL, I THINK THE METAL ROOF IS A NICE COMPROMISE AND, UM, AS OPPOSED TO ASPHALT SHINGLES THAT WOULD, TO MY EYE WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE ON THAT BUILDING. BUT IT'S A SHAME THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CEDAR TYPE TO SHAKE ARE PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE THESE DAYS. THEY, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND DOLLARS A SQUARE OR SOMETHING RIDICULOUS. UM, AND THEN FINDING SOMEONE THAT'S COMPETENT ENOUGH TO INSTALL THEM PROPERLY IS A WHOLE NOTHER STORY. BUT, UM, YEAH, I THINK THE METAL ROOF WOULD LOOK FINE AND IT WOULD GET YOU GUYS DOWN THE ROAD AND I, IF YOU YEAH. YEAH. OR EVEN IF HE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF HE DOESN'T KEEP IT, IT'S GOOD FOR THE NEXT PERSON. IF THE NEXT PERSON IS A CHEAP SCAPE, WHATEVER. YES. IT PRETTY MUCH ACCOMMODATES FOR LIKE WHOEVER OWNS IT FOR THE NEXT 70 YEARS. YEAH. 50 YEARS. ABSOLUTELY. ARE WERE THERE OTHER COLORS YOU CONSIDERED? UM, OR, OR WOULD THESE ARE ALL COLORS PREFERRED. LIKE I'M, I I'M INCLINED TO ALSO, UH, VOTE IN FAVOR OF, OF THE METAL ROOF. I LIKE THE BLACK, BUT I DID BRING THIS, IF THERE'S A COLOR THAT YOU GUYS PREFER, WE COULD DO ANY OF THOSE COLORS. I KNOW THAT ORIGINALLY WE OFFICIALLY CAN'T HAVE COLOR. WE CAN'T HAVE COLOR. THE ONLY JUST MAYBE WOULD BE THE LAN BROWN. SO NOT TO BE BLACK OR SIERRA PAN. JUST THAT, I DUNNO THAT, THAT'S JUST TO ME TRYING TO BE LIKE A CEDAR SHAKE. I KIND OF LIKE THE BLACK FOUR, WHICH IS THE DARK BRONZE ACTUALLY, OR JUST THE BROWN. UM, I THINK THIS, I THINK THE BLACK IS A GOOD CONTRAST. THE COLOR OF THE BUILDING, WHAT YOU'VE CHOSEN THESE. I AGREE. LIKE WAS SMOKY KIND OF SUBDUED. MM-HMM . YEAH. THANK YOU FOR PICKING THE SAMPLES. THAT WAS GONNA BE ANOTHER QUESTION OF MINE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE GET CONFUSED WHEN THEY SAY METAL AND THEY, THEY UH, THEY CURL UP THE CORRUGATED STUFF. THE BARN. OH YEAH. IT'S UM, ACTUALLY THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT, BUT ONE OF THOSE I SEE IS THE TEXTURE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT BROWN AND ONES KIND OF A LITTLE BIT, UH, SMOKEY. RIGHT. WOULD BE GOOD. YEAH. SO I'M PRETTY SURE THIS IS THE MAN GROUND. RIGHT. SO JUST AS A CLARIFICATION, THIS APPLICATION IS REALLY TO JUST APPROVE A METAL ROOF, A CHANGE OF MATERIALS AND A AND A METAL ROOF. THE COLOR QUESTION WAS JUST AN ON MY PART WAS JUST ON A, EXCUSE ME. THOUGHT YOU HAD TO BRING US PARTICULAR COLOR TO MAKE US HAPPY. YOU WANTED KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW MORE TO SHOW THE MAP YEAH. VERSUS SOMETHING THAT WAS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN YOU WOULD IMPROVE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE SHINY BLACK. YEAH. OKAY. UM, WHAT'S THE, UM, UM, MANUFACTURING, JUST CURIOUS, UH, ANGLE HEART. OH, I SEE THAT ANGLE OR ANGLER. MM-HMM . ALL I, WE WILL LITERALLY REPLACE IT TOMORROW HERE. . YEAH. IS THERE ANY, IS THERE, IS THERE [00:10:01] A QUESTION IN YOUR OPINION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED? BECAUSE I'M ABOUT TO MOVE THROUGH. NO, AND I JUST, I'M, I'M THE MOST JUNIOR MEMBER . THIS IS, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR. YEAH. THAT PLACE DOESN'T GET A ROOF. IT'S NOT GONNA BE THERE MUCH LONGER. . IT'S REALLY GONNA DEGRADE THE STREET RIGHT NOW. IT JUST KIND OF LOOKS LIKE AN ISO. BUT YEAH, DEFINITELY WILL BE. GET BETTER. I MOVE. WE APPROVED THIS APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. I SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION AND THAT IS, I DID GET AN EMAIL TODAY ABOUT, UM, A FEE. I WASN'T AWARE THAT THERE WAS A $4,000 FEE. NO, THAT'S A FAKE. THAT'S BOG. YEAH. WHAT? THAT'S NOT REAL. THERE'S SCAMMERS DOING THIS TO OUR APPLICATION AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TAKE OUT EVERYBODY'S EMAIL FROM THE APPLICATION BEFORE I POST IT WHEN YOU TEXT HIM, RIGHT? YEAH. DON'T OPEN IT. DON'T, I MEAN, DON'T THE ATTACHED DON'T PAY IT. NOTHING. THEY PROBABLY ASK FOR IT TO BE WIRED. SO THAT'S LIKE A NATIONWIDE IT ISN'T, IT IS LIKE A NATIONWIDE SCAM. YES. AND THEY'RE, THEY GET THE PUBLIC AGENDAS OFF THE, OFF THE WEBSITE AND EMAIL. UNBELIEVABLE. BUT IT'S NOT JUST TOWN FRONT RULE, IT'S WARREN COUNTY, OTHER, OTHER STATES. SO CONNIE, THE POINT IS ONE THING THAT YOU'RE DOING IS TAKING EMAILS OFF APPLICATION. YES. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN DO? WELL, THAT'S HOW THEY'RE CONTACTING THEM IS BY EMAIL. RIGHT. SO, AND IT WAS ON THE, UH, COA APPLICATION. SO MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT ON THE APPLICATION THERE IS NO OTHER FEE. YEAH. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE AS WELL. I WAS LITERALLY TALKING TO HIM ON THE WAY DOWN HERE. OH GOOD. I'M SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. I, I WAS BECAUSE I WE PAID THE 200 THEN ANOTHER 2 25 AND I ACTUALLY EMAILED BACK AND IT SAID WE ONLY CORRESPONDENCE TO EMAIL. YEP. THAT'S WHY. YEAH. AND THEY WANT IT WIRED AND WE DON'T, I MEAN, AND I EMAILED BACK AND SAID, I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M POSITIVE THAT WE PAID THAT AN ADDITIONAL FEE. AND THEY SAID NO, I'M SORRY. WE, THEY AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT COMES FROM THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. I MEAN, IT IS SO OFFICIAL LOOKING. IT'S INSANE. WAIT, DO WE ACTUALLY GIVE THEM AN ADDITIONAL FEE? NO, NO, NO. IS THIS A TOTAL? NO, IT'S, IT'S A SPAN. IT'S TOTAL SPAM. SO WHAT, WHAT IS OUR RIGHT NUMBER? ARE WE 200 OR ARE WE 4 25. 400 AND SOMETHING FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL BOARD. 200 FOR THE REGULAR ADMINISTRATIVE FOR, OKAY. YEAH. I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. YEAH, SHE HASN'T, SHE HASN'T PAID, PAID IN FULL. SUNDAY WAS MY MOM, THEY JUST KEPT STRINGING HER ON WITH BIGGER AND BIGGER DOLLARS. WE ORIGINALLY WENT TO JUST DO AN ADMINISTRATIVE AND THEY SAID, OKAY, NO, YOU NEED TO GO TO THE BOARD. THERE'S AN EXTRA FEE. AND THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S WHY WE COLLECTED THE EXTRA AT THAT TIME. 'CAUSE IT WAS COMING TO THE BOARD. BUT THAT, BUT GOTCHA. NOT $4,000 AND YOU ARE PAYING FULL. SO I'M SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. OKAY. YEAH. I SORRY THAT HAPPENED GOING DOWN. OH YEAH. IT'S BAD. OH YEAH. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. YEAH. WELL WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD. THE COUNTY POSTED SOMETHING ON THEIR WEBSITE AND WE HAVE SOMETHING POSTED ON OUR DOOR NOW AND, BUT YEAH, OUR IT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE POLICE KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT, BUT CAN WE PUT SOMETHING ON THIS THAT JUST SAID, I WOULDN'T SAY IF ANYONE GOES TO THIS NO FURTHER FEES BOARD MEETING THAT. WELL, I WAS JUST WAITING FOR THE STAFF REPORT AND THAT PAYMENT THING ACTUALLY CAME TODAY AS A PREREQUISITE TO SHOWING UP HERE. SO WHEN I WAS ON MY WAY, I WAS LIKE, YO, WE DIDN'T PAY THIS IN FEE . AND I'M LIKE, I HAD NO IDEA IT WAS $4,000. THAT'S CRAZY. BUT HE'S LIKE, JUST PAY IT. JUST PAY IT. AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT? I'M GLAD YOU DIDN'T. THANK YOU. ANYWAY. YEAH, I'LL, I JUST TEXT HIM. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE ANYBODY'S RECEIVED ONE. WELL THEY THEY SEEM TO DO IT LIKE THE DAY OF YOUR MEETING. YEAH. AND LIKE PRIOR TO BEING HEARD AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, YOU NEED TO PAY THIS MONEY. YEAH. WOW. THAT'S ACTUALLY A DUE TAX BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE HEARING WAY BEFORE. YEAH. WOW. BUT I, YEAH, I'LL LET HIM KNOW AND THAT, THAT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING. I HOPE HE HASN'T DONE IT. OH NO, NO HE DIDN'T BECAUSE HIS ACCOUNTANT LEFT, LEFT EARLY. MY GOD. AND ALSO IT SAYS THAT IT HAD TO BE DONE THROUGH EMAIL. YEAH. BUT I'M NORMALLY LIKE SCAM PROOF. BUT I MEAN, IT CAME FROM PLANNING. IT WAS THE DATA. YEAH. IT LOOKS VERY LEGITIMATE. IS THERE SOMEBODY, THE SHERIFF OR I MEAN POLICE, THEY'RE ALL AWARE. THEY ALL KNOW. YEAH. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. ONE OF, UM, I THE STATE DEPARTMENT, SO WE ALWAYS HAVE TO DO THE SECURITY TRAINING AND ONE OF BIG KEYS TO LOOK OUT FOR IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE REALLY, REALLY QUICKLY. MM-HMM . YEAH. YEAH. UM, IT'S WORKING LATE. PAID ANY OTHER BUSINESS ON [00:15:08] I, I MOVE. WE ADJOURN. I SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THANK FOR COMING. THANK YOU. GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.