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IS TODAY? MAY 6TH, 2026.UH, PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION TO ORDER.
MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? COMMISSIONER NER IS OUT TONIGHT.
WE HAVE A QUORUM, THREE THINGS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
UH, FIRST ONE IS THE, UM, DRAFT SUBDIVISION OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CHAPTER 1 48, AND I'M GONNA DEFER TO LAUREN ON THAT ONE.
SO LAST WEEK THIS WAS PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS BY SUMMIT.
UM, SO TONIGHT IT'S A, DO YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES OR SUGGESTIONS? CAN WE DISCUSS THAT, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE SECTION A LITTLE FURTHER? BECAUSE I THINK YOU GUYS HAD SOME CONCERNS THAT GOING DOWN TO TWO LOTS WAS TOO RESTRICTIVE.
THE ONLY OTHER CHANGE WE'VE MADE IS THAT WE REMOVED OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UM, WITHIN THE ENTIRE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, AND THAT'S DIRECTION THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING.
I I JUST HAD A, A QUESTION ON THE 1 48 DASH EIGHT TEN THREE THREE C TWO.
AND C 3 2, 3 C3 DOESN'T, HMM, IT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, REMOVING THE V OH, GO BACK TO THE V DUCT TABLE.
THAT'S WHERE, YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
IT'S WHERE THAT'S THE TWO I WAS, WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AND, UM, IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT, TO ME, WHAT'S BEING SUGGESTED HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST GET RID OF EVERYTHING, LEAVE THE ALLEY, AND THEN GO IN FAVOR WHAT VDOT SAYS.
SO THAT'S JUST US UPDATING IT TO ALIGN WITH VDOT STANDARDS, AND THEN AS VDOT CHANGES THEM, IF THEY CHANGE 'EM.
UM, AND THAT'S THE, THAT WAS THE INTENT HERE.
'CAUSE OURS HASN'T BEEN UPDATED, LIKE SOME OF OUR STREET STANDARDS IN THESE WIDTHS HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS AND VDOT UPDATES THERE PRETTY REGULARLY.
AND SO WE'RE FINDING THAT WE'RE OFTEN IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT VDOT RECOMMENDS.
SO WHEN WE SEND PLANS OUT FOR REVIEW VTA, LIKE, WELL, PER OUR STANDARDS, I WAS LIKE, WELL, OUR STANDARDS SAY THIS, AND THEN IT'S, WELL, WHO'S SHOULD WE HOLD TO? IT SAYS V OUT DOESN'T HAVE AN ALLEY STANDARD.
AND IN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SECTION, IT'S ALL HIGHLIGHTED, BUT THERE'S NO COMMENT OR ANYTHING NEXT TO IT.
WAS THERE ANY REASON? AND THE STORM WATER YOU GO TO WHICH SECTION? UH, LET'S SEE.
YEAH, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL, THE WHOLE SECTION IS HIGHLIGHTED.
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BEING DONE.
UM, IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED BECAUSE THERE IS A, UM, IT WAS A, UH, CITATION.
WAS THIS COPIED IN FROM ANOTHER? YEAH.
THAT'S THE ONE FROM THE, 'CAUSE THE RAY HAS THE SAME SETUP WITH PAGE COUNTY THAT WE HAVE WITH WARREN COUNTY.
I COULDN'T CLICK ON THAT AT HOME LOOKING AT THE THING.
SO THAT WAS JUST A, SO THE COUNTY, JUST LIKE IN PAGE, THEY MANAGED THEIR TOWNS, UH, STORM WATER AND THIS SECTION DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE AND THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE.
THAT'S WHY I LOOKED AT, ALRIGHT.
AND YOU WANT, AND THE OTHER SECTION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO THE TWO LOTS.
AND, UH, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT SECTION IS THAT? THAT'S 1 48, 2 11, 2 10 OR TWO 11.
YEAH, IT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP AND THEN WE'RE DOING A LITTLE LOOKING INTO IT TO SEE, AND THAT IS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE AND, AND, UH, AND IT TENDS TO BE MORE RURAL AREAS THAT GO THAT RESTRICTIVE AS LEAST IF I CAN FIND MM-HMM
AND, UM, THERE'S OTHER WAYS IT COULD BE HANDLED, BUT WHAT I, WHAT DON'T WANT TO DO IS, IT'S BEEN A BIG PROBLEM, AND THAT'S THE REASON YOU'RE REACTING LIKE THIS.
AND IT REALLY DON'T SEE IT AS BEING A COST INHIBITED THING TO SMALL DEVELOPERS.
AND I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT MORE FROM JUST A PERSON WHO WANTS TO SUBDIVIDE THEIR PRIVATE LAND AND MAKE MORE THAN ONE CUT.
AND IF WE SAY, YOU KNOW, TWO OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU
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HAVE TO GET PLANS TO DO ALL THIS ENGINEERING, THEN IT COULD POTENTIALLY HARM, UH, REGULAR HOMEOWNERS.SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT EIGHT IS CRAZY AND EIGHT IS, IT'S TYPICAL MORE THE, THE THING IS, IS LIKE THE 10,000 SQUARE FEET IS THE, THE THRESHOLD AS FAR AS REQUIRING LIKE EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL, IT HAS WATER CONTROL WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT MM-HMM
IT'S VERY EASY TO GET TO THAT 10,000 SQUARE FEET VERY QUICKLY.
AND WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST ARE SUBMISSIONS WHERE THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE IS NOT ACCURATE TO THE REAL WORLD, AND THEN IT'S NOT UNTIL THE ENTIRE AREA IS CLEARED.
AND THEN TOWN STAFF IS, BECOMES DIFFICULT FOR US TO ENFORCE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY.
SO, SO YOU CAME INTO LOOKING AT THAT, UM, UH, EITHER LIKE, SAY YOU DIVIDE IT UP IN DIFFERENT TIERS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TWO LOCKS BEING AUTOMATIC AND THEN SOME LEVEL OR A MORE TYPICAL NUMBER THAT AROUND IS LIKE FOUR OR FIVE IS MORE TYPICAL, EIGHT WE WERE HIGH, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THAT, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND, BUT WELL, TYPICALLY WITH THESE, IT'S TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S WHAT A LOT LIKE WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING A LOT OF.
SO I WAS EVEN WONDERING, YOU KNOW, IF WE MAYBE SAID LIKE, IF THEY'RE BREAKING IT UP INTO LOTS AND THEY'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN THINK IT'S EASIER TO KEEP IT UNDER THAT 10,000 SQUARE FOOT THRESHOLD IF THEY'RE DOING SINGLE FAMILY.
LIKE THAT TELLS ME, OKAY, THIS REALLY IS LIKE A FAMILY FAMILY.
WHEN THEY CAN START GETTING INTO LIKE THREE, WELL, THEY CAN PUT THREE TOWNHOUSES THERE AND TYPICALLY THEY'RE WHAT, 20 BY.
NOW I WASN'T THINKING IN TERMS OF TOWNHOUSES, BUT TOWNHOUSES IS WHERE THIS IS GETTING ABUSED.
WE HAVE BEEN SEEING A LOT OF THOSE.
AND, BUT TYPICALLY THE TOWNHOUSES ARE COMING IN AT LIKE 20, 20 TO 25 FEET WIDE.
WE ACQUIRED 20, IT WAS MINIMUM.
AND THEN AT LEAST WHAT, 40 SO FEET IN.
SO, UM, SO IT, IT'S A REACTION TO, TO THE ABUSE IS REALLY WHAT WAS GOING ON HERE AND THAT, THAT WAS THE REASON SO SEVERE.
JUST, JUST JUST WANTED TO, BUT WE'VE ONLY BEEN SEEING, LIKE, HONESTLY, I'VE ONLY ONLY BEEN SEEING IT WITH TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE COMING IN AND DOING THE DUPLEXES, WE HAVEN'T HAD ISSUE, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HAVEN'T HAD ISSUE.
I MEAN, YEAH, IF YOU DID THREE, THREE WOULD THREE WOULD WORK.
BUT YEAH, WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO, OH, YEAH.
AND I, I, I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING WHEN YOU WERE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, OTHER GROUPS, ANOTHER LOCALITY'S FOUR OR FIVE, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SUGGESTED TWO SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE IN SAYING THREE.
UM, IT'S A, IT MAY BE SLIGHTLY ARBITRARY IN THAT WAY, UH, BUT WITH THE EXPLANATION, I MEAN, I, IF WE THINK THE TWO MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE, THEN I STILL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ABUSE.
BUT, UM, TWO, TWO, WHAT WIPES OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ABUSE IT IS, SO I UNDERSTAND IF THE THREE IS STILL A POSSIBILITY OF ABUSE BEEN A PROBLEM.
IF WE HAVE TO LIKE, UM, I JUST DON'T WANNA GO OVER THREE.
AND OUR, UM, FOR TOWNHOUSES, DON'T, WE REQUIRE FOUR FOR IT TO, IN OUR, IN OUR ORDINANCE, IN ORDER TO MAKE A TOWNHOUSE ROW, WE HAVE TO MAKE FOUR OF THEM.
OH, IT'S CONTROL LEFT THAT WAY.
SO ONE, ONE APPROACH, IT WENT DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE IN DIFFERENT, THREE DIFFERENT TIERS.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE, NO, IT GOES DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE WHEN YOU, YOU NEED SO MANY RULES TO SUPPORT BREAKING IT UP.
AND, AND
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CHANGED, I THINK BACK IN 2014, THE STATE MOVED IT TO A WHOLE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT AND THEN CHANGED ALL OF THE RULES.AND IT'S LIKE EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS THE RULES CHANGE AND THE THRESHOLDS CHANGE.
BUT THE SURVEYOR THAT CAN DO THIS TYPES OF CALCULATIONS, SURVEYORS ALREADY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN THEN TO HAVE ONE WITH THAT TYPE B LICENSE THAT CAN DO STORM WATER CALCS.
THE ONLY ONE I KNOW OF IS UP IN WINCHESTER.
AND THEN OTHERWISE YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEFAULTING TO AN ENGINEER, WHICH GETS VERY EXPENSIVE VERY QUICKLY.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DON'T WANNA, THAT IS THE COST.
I WAS THING, I ALSO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT INADVERTENTLY PUNISHING A HOMEOWNER.
UH, WHO DOESN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING FIRM MONEY.
BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE TOO, WHEN THESE AREN'T FOLLOWED AND ADHERED TO, WHAT YOU HAVE IS BRAND NEW TOWN HOMES THAT ARE HAVING WATER FLOWING INTO EVERY TIME IT RAINS.
NO, AND IT'S THAT LINE WHERE IT SAYS THAT LIKE, THE WATER HAS TO BE CHANNELED INTO AN ADEQUATE RECEIVING STRUCTURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT MM-HMM
SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THEY'LL PUT A SWALE ON THE SITE AND GRADE IT TO TRY TO PUSH THE WATER, BUT AN ENGINEER DIDN'T REVIEW IT AND THEN IN A YEAR WE'RE GETTING CALLS AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE, MY BASIN'S FLOODING, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT? MM-HMM
THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED TO MY HOUSE.
IT WAS BUILT ON TOP OF A SPRING AND THE BUILDER JUST CLAIMED HE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE.
THAT HAPPENED IN MY HOUSE ON BLUE RIDGE, BUT IT'S 117 YEARS OLD, SO WE HAVE IT RAINED THAT WOULD BUBBLE UP OUT OF THE GROUND IN THE BASEMENT.
MY COMPUTER DOESN'T WANNA LOAD.
MY HOUSEWORK, UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL IT UP QUICKLY ON MY END.
IT'S 1 75, I THINK IT'S SECTION ONE 12.
IT'S EITHER ONE 12 OR ONE 13 TOWNHOUSE.
ONE 12 TOWNHOUSE SITE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THERE'S NO MORE THAN EIGHT.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A FOUR FOOT OFFSET.
OR THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, DO JOGS IN BETWEEN, UM MM-HMM
KIND OF MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE TEETH.
THANK YOU FOR NO WORRIES IF I FIND THAT.
SO DO WE WANNA JUST DO TWO OF THAT OR DO WE FEEL LIKE THREE WOULD BE BETTER WITH TWO? I JUST THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE.
THAT WAY YOU HAVE THE MAXIMUM PROTECTION ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD.
THE TWO GIVES YOU MAX PROTECTION.
MAX PROTECTION, WHAT BENEFIT DOES IT REALLY GIVE? BUT IT COULD BE AT A, A COST, SO, OKAY.
UM, ON THE OFF CHANCE THAT THERE WAS A HOMEOWNER WHO WAS TALKING TO YOU GUYS AND JUST LOOKING LIKE, LOOK, I CAN'T AFFORD DOING AN ENGINEER, IS THERE ANY RECOURSE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE? I THINK THE NEXT SECTION GIVES YOU, YOU CAN APPLY FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION IF YOU GO DOWN TO 1 48, 2 11.
FROM THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CHAPTER YEP.
FOR HARD, SUBSTANTIAL ADJUST OF HARDSHIP.
SO I THINK THAT IS OUR, YOUR MECHANISM HERE REALLY TO HELP.
AND I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A $650 ASK AS OPPOSED TO A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ENGINEERING, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE EASIER TO SWALLOW.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN HERE THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT? OR ARE YOU ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THE PARKING EXEMPTION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS? YEAH, RIGHT NOW JUST THAT'S, IT IS A FREE FOR ALL THERE NOW ANYWAY TO GO, WELL, WHAT'S HAPPENED IS, LIKE ON CHESTER STREET, WE'VE HAD TO GIVE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS FOR SOMEBODY THAT JUST WANTED TO PARK VEHICLE OUT IN THE STREET.
YOU KNOW, LIKE SOME OF THESE OLD, OLD LOTS AND OLD BUILDINGS DON'T HAVE PARKING MM-HMM
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WE HAD TO MAKE ONE OF 'EM TURN THEIR GREEN SPACE INTO PARKING AREA, WHICH IS A SHAME BECAUSE THEY HAD POSSIBLY CATCHES AND GARDENS AND THEY NOW PARKING LOT, THEY GOT OH YEAH.BUT YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE PROBLEMS FROM 1890S TO 1940S AND STUFF.
NO, I, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
AND WE ARE DONE WITH THAT ONE.
SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE I TWO.
IT SEEMS LIKE FOREVER, SINCE WE FINALLY GOT BACK TO THIS, BUT
AND SO THIS WAS UPDATED TO REFLECT WHAT WE DID IN I ONE TO MAINTAIN THAT PHILOSOPHY.
SO IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF REALLY IS THE, UM, LIKE WE TOOK OUT, TOOK, GOT RID OF ALL THE PROHIBITIONS AND THAT THEY WERE IN THERE AND, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF, IT'S IS THE MIX AND THE COMMERCIAL AND THE OFFICES AND STUFF.
NOW, DO YOU GUYS THINK THAT'S CORRECT AND I WASN'T REALLY GETTING RID OF THE PROHIBITIONS IS GETTING RID OF THE SUGGESTION ADDING PROHIBITION, SUGGESTION OF ADDING PROHIBITIONS, RIGHT.
IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THIS NEW STYLE, BUT IT'S ACCOMMODATED IN ANOTHER WAY.
UM, WHY WOULD WE PRO, WHY WOULD WE NOT PERMIT, UH, GAS STATIONS IN COMMERCIAL? YEAH.
IT GOES BACK TO PHILOSOPHY FOR THE MAXIMUM.
UM, TRYING TO MAXIMIZE HOW MUCH WE'RE EARNING POTENTIAL OF THE I TWO AREA.
AND GAS STATION IS NOT A BIG, BIG MONEY EARNER.
I THINK THAT WAS PUT INTO THE, UH, THE, UM, SPECIAL USE CATEGORY WAS MOVED TO SPECIAL USE BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
YOU'RE LOOKING HIGHEST AND BEST USE AND GAS STATION, WASN'T IT? MM-HMM
I THINK THAT GOES THE SAYING WE YEAH.
I'M NOT AGAINST IT, IT'S JUST INTERESTING.
IT'S, IT'S LEGACY AND I CAN'T SEE ANY REASON NOT TO.
SO ON THAT ONE, UM, YOU GOT CHELSEA ACADEMY AND I TOO MM-HMM
UM, YOU'D MAKE IT NONCONFORMING.
SO ANYTIME THEY WANNA DO SOMETHING, THEN THEY'D HAVE TO COME BEFORE PLANNING MISSION TOWN COUNCIL.
AND, BUT LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, UM, THAT Y'ALL THINK SHOULD BE ADDED TO THIS LIST? DID WE MISS ANY FOR SCHOOLS THAT WE INCLUDE? DOES THAT DEFINITION INCLUDE TECHNICAL SCHOOLS? LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL
JUST TO BE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAXIMIZING REVENUE MM-HMM
SCHOOLS DON'T STRIKE ME AS REVENUE.
BUT THEY'RE PUBLIC, PUBLIC USE ITEM.
THAT'S, SO THEY KIND OF, THEY AT LEAST MY MIND, THEY'RE KIND OF IN THEIR OWN WORLD MM-HMM
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT APPLICATION, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO FORCE A SCHOOL INTO NON-COMPLIANCE.
BUT TOO, AT ONE POINT THERE WAS THAT TRUCK DRIVING SCHOOL WAS DOWN ON KENDRICK LANE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE OPERATING THERE ANYMORE.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE, I DON'T THINK SO.
BUT I MEAN, THAT WAS COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE WHERE IT WAS AT.
UM, THERE'S A GAS STATION IN SPECIAL, RIGHT.
ARE THE AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARDS OR JUNKYARDS IN THIS SECTION? UH, NOT THERE.
AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARDS UNDER, AS LONG AS THEY'RE UNDER THE SU.
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UM, OKAY.WHAT WE'LL COVER THAT WHEN GET THERE, WHAT QUALIFIES AS A CLUB, UH, IS, IS THAT A, DO WE HAVE A DEFINITION THAT'S NOT BEING ABLE LOOK FOR RIGHT THIS SECOND? I WOULD BE INCLINED TO STRIKE IT.
UH, THE, IS THIS LIKE THE AMERICAN LEGION OR THE VFW? IS THAT WHAT THIS FALLS UNDER? OR IS IT LIKE A NIGHTCLUB? LIKE A NIGHTCLUB? WHICH, THAT WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL USE, WOULDN'T IT? THAT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL.
IT, I DON'T, HAVING SOMEBODY THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT FEELS LIKE IT'S ASKING FOR IT TO BE WEIRD.
UM,
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE DEFINE CLUB.
IF WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT, WE SHOULD DEFINE IT.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE SUP SECTION, RIGHT? YES.
RESTAURANTS, RETAIL, ALL MAKES SENSE IS SUP HERE.
AND, AND PART OF THE RESTAURANT, WHEN YOU THINK IT ABOUT INDUSTRIAL AREA, THEY MAY HAVE A LITTLE RESTAURANT ASSOCIATED WITH, SO GO GRAB LUNCH SOMETHING, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEN SAME THING WITH, YOU KNOW, BARBER BEAUTY SHOPS.
OR RE RETAIL WHERE THERE'S PORTIONS OF THE STORE PORTION OF AN INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT HAS A RETAIL SECTION WHERE THEY'RE PRODUCING.
DID I MISS US HAVING NO LIGHT IS UP HERE.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT SHOULD BE IN HERE? WHAT DO WE HAVE AS THE HEIGHT LIMIT? UH, THIS WAS 70, 70 FEET.
IN GENERAL, DO WE WANT TO PERMIT THIS HEIGHT OR WOULD YOU WANT TO SET IT TO SOMETHING AT LIKE 45 TO 50 FEET BY RIGHT.
AND THEN UP TO 75 OR 80 BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT THERE.
I I, I KNOW THERE'S ARGUMENTS IN OTHER OTHER FORMS ABOUT TRYING TO BRING, BRING THIS NUMBER DOWN.
UM, AND I KNOW WHERE THE 75 CAME FROM AS FAR AS THOSE SPECIALIZED BUILDINGS WITH LIKE CRANES IN THE ROOF WHERE THEY GET SO HIGH.
BUT IF, IF WE'RE WILLING TO WRITE OFF THAT KIND OF, THAT STYLE OF BUSINESS AND WOULDN'T BE WRITING IT OFF IF WE MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S JUST WITHIN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, ESPECIALLY JUST BY WHY YOU NEED THAT HEIGHT, YOU WOULD'VE TO YEAH.
WE COULD RESTRUCTURE THE SENTENCE TO SAY 45 FEET.
ANYTHING ABOVE 45 FEET WOULD BE WHAT? VIA SUP.
JUST BASICALLY CHANGE THE SENTENCE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I DID, I DID LOOK INTO IT.
IT'S VERY SPECIALIZED USES THAT, GONNA GET THAT TALL, UM, 45 FEET.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF THE WORDING BECAUSE WE ALSO, WE ALREADY HAVE ACCEPT IN THIS SENTENCE
SO MAY, BUT YOU COULD SAY MAY INCREASE TO 75 WHERE THE SPECIAL USE DEPARTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, WE HAVE THAT LANGUAGE IN THE C ONE AND C TWO DISTRICT.
I THINK WE HAVE THAT PROVISION NOW BECAUSE WE, WE PERMIT UP TO 60 FEET IN HEIGHT WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
I THINK IT'S IN C TWO OR C ONE.
C ONE JUST SAYS SINGLE FAMILY.
HERE IT IS STRUCTURES WHERE THE HEIGHT BETWEEN 45 70 FEET AND ANY RESIDENCE STRUCTURES, NOT CONFORMANCE WOULD BE 6, 9 5.
LET'S SEE, YOU SEE WHAT 6 9 5 SAYS, UH, THE PRINCIPAL, THE OTHER PRINCIPLE BUILDING 65 35
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FEET EXCEPT PROVIDED IN SECTION OTHER PRINCIPLES 65 FEET EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN SECTION 6 9 2 B TWO.DO YOU HAVE TO TO TWO? THERE IS NO 6.1 4.2 B UH SIX TWO B.
WELL NO, SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT THIS.
NO, NO, THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, YOU GET RID OF THE B.
THAT WAS ONE OF MY NOTES I HAD IN HERE.
THAT'S BEEN OUT WELL, 6.4 0.2 IS JUST THE LIST OF BY RIGHT? IT'S THE LIST BY, RIGHT? YES.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? EXCEPT AS PROVIDED FOR IN THIS SECTION, THOSE THINGS, THAT SECTION HAS NOTHING TO DO.
WELL THAT SECTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HEIGHT.
UM, WE STRIKE, WE CAN STRIKE IF YOU ACCEPT.
SO IN THAT CASE WE CAN SAY, UM, THERE'S ONE OTHER PLACE WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT TO.
UM, I JUST DON'T WANNA SAY THIS MAY.
UH, AND I'M JUST NOT, I CAN'T THINK OF THE OTHER WORDING THAT WOULD BE BETTER.
UM, YEAH, I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST PUT A COMMENT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE GONNA GO 45 FEET BUT UP BUT UP TO 70.
NOT TO SAY WRONG WORD, BUT DIDN'T THE STATE JUST COME DOWN WITH THE DATA CENTER REGULATION CAP OR AT LEAST MAKE A HEIGHT RECOMMENDATION? I DIDN'T SEE A CAP ON.
I WOULD BE SURPRISING THAT I DIDN'T SEE ANY CAP ON HEIGHT.
NO, THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD MOTIVATE THE STATE TO SET A HEIGHT LIMIT OF NEVERMIND.
MAYBE WE'LL FIX THAT STRUCTURE.
I HAVE IT HIGHLIGHTED WITH THE COMMENTS SO IT CAN CIRCLE BACK PRETTY EASILY.
UM, WHEN IT CAME TO THE MIDDLE OF YARD DIMENSIONS, DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR CHANGES DESIRED WITH THIS? WANNA INCREASE IT JOINING A RESIDENTIAL? SURE.
ESPECIALLY SINCE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR THE NEW, UH, INFORMATION OR NEW STUFF THAT'S COME DOWN FROM A STATE PROGRESS DATA CENTER.
SO, UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE SOME OF OUR OLDER INDUSTRIAL, SOME OF THE OLDER INDUSTRIAL ZONE IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO R TWO R THREE SOUND LIKE ALONG HAPPY CREEK.
I MEAN IT WOULD PUT THEM IN NON-COMPLIANCE.
THEY'D HAVE TO COME FOR ESPECIALLY PERMIT.
BUT I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A JUST AN IS WHAT IT IS SITUATION WITH DATA CENTERS.
REMIND ME WHAT DID IT CAN GO UP TO WHAT ONE FEET, 500 FEET I THOUGHT WAS THERE.
WELL THE, THE THE, THE ONE WE'RE DOING WITH THE DATA CENTER, WITH THE 500 FEET WITH THE RESIDENTIAL IS REQUIRING A BUNCH OF STUDIES TO BE DONE.
AND, AND, AND SO THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS THERE IS START SEVEN AT 500 FEET RIGHT.
IS A PRO USING AS A JUSTIFICATION.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR STANDARD INDUSTRIAL, IT'S NOT BEING, IT'S NOT IN OPERATION 24 7.
IT'S A DIFFERENT S IT IS A DIFFERENT, SO OBVIOUSLY 500 DEPENDS ON USE TOO.
SOME OF THEM, SOME OF THOSE LIKE DISTRIBUTION CENTERS, SOME OF THE LIKE PLANTS UP IN WINCHESTER, THEY RUN SHIFTS.
SO, BUT I MEAN IN GENERAL, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD LIKE, WITH ESPECIALLY USE, WE SHOULD REQUIRE LIKE NOISE AND UTILITY USAGE.
'CAUSE LIKE THINK OF AEC, THAT SITE IS 114 ACRES.
IT'S ABOUT 4.9 MILLION SQUARE FEET.
AND 50% OF THAT CAN BE BUILDING COVERAGE.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 2.4 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF WHATEVER USE GETS PUT ON THAT.
UM, THAT'S GONNA GENERATE NOISE.
WELL, WELL WE ARE PUTTING NOISE STANDARDS IN HERE.
THERE IS A WHOLE SET OF NOISE STANDARDS.
NOISE STANDARDS AND THEN IT WOULDN'T BE THE WHOLE TWO POINT, UH,
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NINE.THAT'S THE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE.
YOU CAN HAVE THE, THE INCLUDING THE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE.
SO THE TWO 50% OF THE LOT AREA OR LAND AREA THAT SHOULD, THE NEXT SECTION IS THE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE.
AND THEN 75% IS YOUR, UM, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
SO THAT LEAVES 25% OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND THEN YOUR PARKING AREA WOULD BE THAT NEXT 25% TO GIVE YOU YOUR 75% IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
MEANING YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF PARKING LOT TREES.
UM, THERE'D BE A LOT OF LANDSCAPING.
UM, UM, ROSS, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO FIX HERE? WELL, WE'RE CONSIDERING INCREASING, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S 40 WHEN I'M JOINING A RESIDENTIAL DIS JOINING RESIDENTIAL.
AND UH, SO IF WE'RE BRINGING THAT HIGHER TO WHAT NUMBER, AND I WOULD BE VERY INCLINED TO SAY THAT 500 IS UNNECESSARY IN MOST SITUATIONS.
SO, UH, WELL PART OF IT IS TOO, THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, AN I TWO AREA, THE MOST INDUSTRIAL AREAS WE HAVE HERE.
BUT THIS IS THEN SPECIFICALLY ADJOINING.
SPECIFICALLY ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
YOU WANT, UM, WHAT DO WE THINK OF TWO 50? OKAY.
CHANGING THE HEIGHTS GONNA MAKE ONE PERSON VERY HAPPY.
AND THEN TWO, WITH THIS, YOU STILL HAVE THAT SPECIAL EXCEPTION, OR SORRY, THE VARIANCE MECHANISM WITH 1 48, 2 11, THEY'VE GOT AN OLD PLATTED INDUSTRIAL LOT MM-HMM
AND YOU KNOW, THEY LIKE IF ONE OF THE LOTS DOWN BY MARLOW DECIDED THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING NEW OR DIFFERENT THERE MM-HMM
AND THEIR LOTS, NOT EVEN 250 FEET WIDE.
UM, UM, THAT VARIANCE MECHANISM SHOULD PROVIDE THE RELIEF FOR THOSE FOLKS.
SO THIS IS A SUGGESTED INCREASE TO 65% OVER 50 FOR MAX BUILDING COVERAGE.
AND WE, WE DISCUSSED, DISCUSSED THIS ONCE BEFORE MM-HMM
I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO FIX THAT.
IT'S JUST THAT THE NEXT PART OF YEAH, OF COURSE.
UM, I GUESS THE DASH NEEDS TO BE THERE.
UM, WHEN IT CAME TO THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, UH, DID WE WANT TO CHANGE OR UPDATE ANY OF THIS AT ALL? I KNOW LIKE IN THE, IN THE STUFF THAT'S SPECIFIC TO DATA CENTERS, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK WE HAD THIS AT FIVE DEGREES FAHRENHEIT.
UM, DO WE WANT THAT TO BE FIVE HERE AS WELL? 'CAUSE FIVE'S A LOT.
UH, 10 IS A HAPPY YEAH, WE DID, WE DID HAVE FIVE.
AND THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE, WE MENTION THAT IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE, I MEAN THIS SHOULDN'T BE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADJACENT PROPERTY, WHICH COULD BE UP TO 250 FEET AWAY IF YOU'RE FEELING 10 DEGREES.
THAT'S FEET AWAY FROM BUILDING.
AND ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE WE'RE REMOVING, UH, COAL YARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I JUST, YES.
HEAVY MANUFACTURING, BUT I THINK CONSISTENT, THE REASONING, THE REASONING WE CAME UP WITH FOR THE DATA STANDARD CERTAINLY FITS HERE.
UM, AGAIN, TRYING TO MOVE EVERYTHING CLOSE TO THE SAME SO WE MINIMIZE HOW MANY EXCEPTIONS THERE ARE.
UM, LIQUID SOLIDS, ALL THAT LOOK GOOD.
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OR ARTICULATE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT TOXIC AND HAZARDOUS.IT'S JUST DO THINGS THE WAY IT'S REGULATED ANYWAY.
UM, AND, UM, OLDER, WHICH IS AN ENFORCEMENT NIGHTMARE, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT
UM, I DO HAVE COMMENT ON NOISE.
SO H ONE, UH, ANNOYING OR DISRUPTIVE, THOSE ARE SUBJECTIVE.
WHAT IS ANNOYING, DISRUPTIVE TO ONE PERSON MAY NOT BE OKAY.
THIS, AND SO I SUGGEST NO INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY SHALL GENERATE NOISE THAT IMPACTS USES LOCATED BEYOND THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
AND THEN YOU GO INTO MORE DETAIL WITH, WITH TWO AND THREE.
WELL, AND THEN IF WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT TO INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL AND SOMEBODY CALLS IT A NOISE COMPLAINT, PD IS STANDING ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
ARE THEY HOLDING BY THE ZONING OR THE USE THAT'S GENERATING THE NOISE? OR ARE THEY HOLDING TO THE DECIBEL LEVELS? THE USE THAT'S GENERATING.
SO IF THEY'RE STANDING OUT IN SOMEBODY'S YARD, A NEIGHBOR'S YARD THAT'S IN A, A RESIDENTIAL USE, THEY'RE NOT HOLDING LIKE A COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL? I DON'T THINK SO.
NOW, UM, IN THAT, IN THIS, IN THIS, SORRY.
IN THIS INSTANCE THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPACTING A USE, YOU KNOW, FOR IF IT IS SOMETHING THEN, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL OR JOINING, YOU KNOW, THAT 250 FEET, WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, WHAT IS GONNA BE THE METRIC FOR WHAT IMPACTS THEIR USE? WELL, IT'S THERE, IT'S THERE NUMBER THREE.
THAT'S THE WAY I'M READING IT.
AND THIS BRINGS UP AND THIS MOD THIS WAS JUST MODERNIZING THE TABLE.
AND IS THIS, THIS IS THE SAME AS WE HAVE FOR THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE.
UM, ANYTHING, ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS ABOUT SCREENING? ANYTHING IN THIS SECTION? OKAY.
EVERYTHING I THINK HERE MADE, MADE SENSE.
LOCATIONS IS JUST PROPERTY LINES, ENFORCEMENT, ANYTHING.
WELL, IF YOU'RE ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE THAT ARE YOU, DO YOU LIKE THIS SECTION?
UM, ANYTHING IN HERE THAT INDUSTRIAL.
INDUSTRIAL, YEAH, IT'S INDUSTRIAL, SO WE WON'T DEFINITELY WANT THE PARKING THERE.
LITERALLY FAMOUS BLACK CONNIE, IF YOU'LL MAIL THAT TO ME, I WILL INCORPORATE IT AND FIX LITTLE BIT.
OKAY, THE LAST THING WE HAVE ON HERE IS THE HB 6 55 IN THE FRONT ROYAL ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, WHY DON'T YOU WANNA GET MAYBE THREE? SO, AND ALL RIGHT, SO JUST REALLY QUICKLY, UM, VIRGINIA, UH, PASSED A BILL ON MARCH 31ST, 2026 THAT, UM,
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UH, THE, THE, UH, AROUND THE MANUFACTURED HOMES, THE DEFINITION APPLICATION MANUFACTURER HOMES, WHICH ULTIMATELY PUTS US MASSIVELY, WELL, MASSIVELY.YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE OR YOU'RE NOT? WE'RE NOT, UM, I'M JUST GONNA READ IT QUICKLY.
IT'S NOT GONNA WORK ON MY COMPUTER.
OH, IS THIS THE SAME OR, UH, NO, I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK I PUT A DEFINITION IN THERE OF WHAT THE BILL IS.
YOU HAVE THE SUMMARY OF IT? YEAH, JUST THE SUMMARY.
ANYWAY, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THAT YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST MANUFACTURED HOMES.
YOU HAVE TO ALLOW 'EM, UM, AND OUR, IN OUR TOWN CODE, WE EXPLICITLY, WE POINT BLANK SAY, NO MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE ALLOWED IN THIS TOWN.
SO THAT PUTS US OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE, UM, ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THAT, THAT SUMS IT UP.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS HERE,
BUT I ACTUALLY LOOK, I, I SUMMARIZED MY FINDINGS AND PUT IT INTO AN AI PROGRAM.
THEY, OH, I'LL JUST BRING THIS UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND I THINK IT DID TRY TO MAKE ME LOOK IMPRESSIVE, BUT IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD.
IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD ON THIS SCREEN, BUT IT LOOKED REALLY GOOD WHEN, WHEN IT WAS KICKED OUT.
SO IN THIS DOCUMENT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WHAT I DID WAS, UM, IS I KIND OF WENT THROUGH OUR ACCOUNT ORDINANCES TO SEE WHERE ELSE WOULD WE WOULD BE IN OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, WITH THAT NEW BILL.
AND, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF, THERE ARE A LOT OF PLACES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
I MEAN, YES AND NO, IT DEPENDS.
SO YOU, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO APPROACHES IN HERE.
MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A THING TO, TO FOCUS.
YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY I THINK IN THE OTHER DOCUMENT THAT I SENT OUT LAST NIGHT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS DETAIL, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST, WE'RE SO OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
IT'S, THERE WAS NOT MUCH WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT.
THIS IS WHERE, WHERE, WHERE IT DOES HELP, UH, A BIT TO PUT IT MORE IN CONTEXT AND NOT AS MANY WORDS, BUT, SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S SAYING THAT IF IT, IF IT, THERE'S A PLACE WHERE THE CODE ALLOWS FOR HOMES, IT MUST ALSO ALLOW FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES PRETTY MUCH.
UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
UH, I THINK THAT WITH THE, WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE CODE, THE NEW CODE DOES ALLOW FOR MAINTAINING, UH, FACADE, HOW DO YOU SAY THAT? LIKE THAT MM-HMM
THE, THE, THE LOOK OF AN AREA.
UH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE THAT SUBJECT TO MANUFACTURED HOME STANDARDS.
SO, SO HISTORIC DISTRICTS, DISTRICTS CAN STILL INSIST ON THAT, BUT THEY CAN'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST A SPECIFICALLY MANUFACTURED HOME.
NOW, CURRENTLY, I THINK WE HAVE MANUFACTURED HOMES THAT HAVE TO HAVE FOUNDATIONS AND STUFF ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND WE CAN STILL MANDATE THAT, I BELIEVE, CAN'T WE? YEAH.
THERE, THESE DON'T HAVE WHEELS.
LIKE THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? UH, YES.
THESE ARE LIKE CONSTRUCT, LIKE PRE LIKE MODULAR.
UM, SO HOW DO WE HANDLE THE ACTUAL MOBILE HOMES? THE MOBILE HOME STAY? THE, THE ONE THING THAT, I MEAN, HONESTLY I WAS GETTING CONFUSED ABOUT ALL THE VARIATIONS WHERE WE REFERENCED MOBILE HOMES.
WE DID IT CORRECTLY, RIGHT? AS PRE 1976 UNITS THAT DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE FEDERAL HUD MANUFACTURED HOME CONSTRUCTION AND SAFETY.
SO WE HAVE, UH, LOOK WHERE WE SAY NEW OR REPLACEMENT MOBILE HOMES AS DEFINED ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE TOWN.
UM, WITH THE, WITH THE REGULATION THAT THAT HUB STANDARD ISN'T MENTIONED IN OUR DEFINITION, UH, OF MANUFACTURED HOME.
I THINK IT IS SOME OH NO, NOT MANUFACTURED HOME.
SO THAT PORTION OF OUR DEFINITION, IT'S NOT A DEFINITION OF OUR, THAT WE HAVE OUR MANUFACTURED HOME DEFINITION IS DIFFERENT THAN, SORRY, I HAVE NOTES ON HERE.
SO 1 74 DASH 1 23 MANUFACTURED HOMES.
WHAT IS THAT? I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WAS.
IT'S NOT A DEFINITION OF MANUFACTURE.
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1 74 DASH 1 23 1 7 5 1 5.SO IT SAYS, MANUFACTURED HOMES SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL EXCEPT FOR AUTHORIZED IN A ONE DISTRICT AND FOR TEMPORARY TRAILER PARKS AS SPECIFIED UNDER THIS CHAPTER.
YOU OR REPLACEMENT MOBILE HOMES AS DEFINED ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE TOWN.
I THOUGHT WE MA UH, WE INTRODUCED A DEFINITION FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES IN, UH, THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR MATRIX.
AS A DEFINITION UNDER ARTICLE 11.
BUT THIS IS, WHAT IS IT DEFINITION? IT'S A STRUCTURE.
SO, WELL, ONE, I DO HAVE 1 23 IS THAT, THAT IS NOT THE DEFINITION SECTION.
SO IT'S JUST WITHIN THAT PART OF THE CODE IS SAYING, HEY, MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE ALLOWED.
THERE NEED TO BE A DEFINITION.
NO, I KNOW IT DOESN'T, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO REFER TO IT.
IT'S JUST OH, UH, YEAH, THAT'S ALL ORDINANCE LINE, I GUESS.
I WAS LIKE, IT'S NOT THE DEFINITION.
WHAT IS IT? IT'S THE ORDINANCE LINE ABOUT MANUFACTURED HOMES.
SO, UM, YEAH, OUR MANUFACTURED HOME DEFINITION LOOKS, I THINK PRETTY GOOD.
THAT I THINK IS, THERE'S NOTHING PARTICULAR, BUT IT'S THE FACT THAT WE SAY THEY'RE, THEY ARE, UH, NOT ALLOWED IN THE, THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, WHICH PUTS US TO WHICH WE, THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
SO IF EXCEPT IN THE A ONE DISTRICT, EXCEPT IN THE YES, IT'S ALLOWED IN THE A ONE DISTRICT, BUT BUT PER THE NEW VIRGINIA CODE, YOU CAN'T WE CAN'T RELEGATE IT TO AG DISTRICTS.
ONLY SO, AND THAT'LL TOUCH MULTIPLE SECTIONS.
AND, BUT MOST OF THIS COULD BE FIXED BY DEFINITION, BY FIXING THE DEFINITION AND PUTTING IT BY RIGHT USE.
BUT MANUFACTURED HOMES, ARE THEY SINGLE FAMILY? ARE THEY LIKE, WHY ARE WE CARRYING HOW IT'S CONSTRUCTED? THAT'S THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
MY TAKE IS THAT THERE WAS FRICTION BETWEEN FEDERAL STANDARDS AND STATE AND LOCAL STANDARDS AND LOCALITIES DIDN'T WANT TO ACCEPT THE FEDERAL STANDARDS FOR MANUFACTURER.
AND NOW WITH THE HOUSING CRUNCH THAT WE'RE BEING, WE'RE BEING TOLD WHAT THEY ARE IN, IN EFFECT.
THE ONE I SENT OUT LAST NIGHT TO EVERYBODY MM-HMM
WE HAVE TWO POSSIBLE APPROACHES AND ONE IS MAKING ADJUSTMENTS IN EVERY LOCATION WHERE WE INDICATE A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING BY.
WE ALSO INCLUDE MANUFACTURED HOME BY, RIGHT.
SO, AND I THINK THERE'S 16 OCCURRENCES, UM, THROUGHOUT OUR CODE WHERE WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY REFERENCED, I'M SORRY, NOT 16 OCCURRENCES OF SINGLE FAMILY USE BY RIGHT.
BUT 16 PLACES WITHIN OUR, OUR ORDINANCES WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO ALSO ADD MANUFACTURED HOMES AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
OR WE CAN UPDATE OUR DEFINITION OF A SINGLE FLAME FAMILY DWELLING TO INCLUDE MANUFAC MANUFACTURED HOMES, WHICH MAKE MAKE IT MUCH SIMPLER, EASIER.
I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO EVEN SAY IF THIS INCLUDES THAT.
IF WE LOOK AT OUR DEFINITION, UH, FOR A SINGLE FAMILY UP THERE, IF WE JUST STRIKE OTHER THAN A MANUFACTURED HOME.
WE CAN KEEP MOBILE HOME BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY THE PRE 1973, UH, SITUATION.
OR A MANUFACTURED HOME AND THEN THAT SOLVES MANUFACTURED HOMES.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU ARE THEY GETTING, THEY'RE GETTING FINANCED THE SAME WAY AS A TYPICAL, RIGHT? YEAH.
THESE MORTGAGE CONSTRUCTION LOAN OFF SITE.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE OLD 12 YEAR LOAN ON THE TRAILER.
AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A MOBILE HOME BECAUSE THAT WITH A DIFFERENT, NOW, AND THIS IS JUST A NAIVE QUESTION, SO FORGIVE ME ON THIS, BUT WHEN WE'RE SAYING, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE WHEELS, THEREFORE THERE ARE PLENTY OF TRAILERS THAT I'VE SEEN WHERE THEY COULD VERY WELL HAVE WHEELS, BUT INSTEAD THEY'RE ON CINDER BLOCKS THAT THE CINDER BLOCK THEN COUNT AS A FOUNDATION.
HOW STABLE, BUT I GUESS PERMANENT FOUNDATION.
NO, IT HAS TO BE ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION.
UM, YOU WORK FOR MY BOOKCASE IN COLLEGE.
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BUT I MEAN, I THOUGHT AT ONE POINT IN TIME BANKS WERE HESITANT TO GRANT, YOU KNOW, LOANS FROM MOBILE HOMES BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA PAY, THEY GOTTA FIND THEM.AND WHEN THERE'S, THEY CAN DRIVE IT SOMEWHERE, YOU GOTTA FIND IT.
SO, UM, YEAH, THEY JUST SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CATEGORY, BUT THEN AT TIMES, MANUFACTURED AND MOBILE GET THROWN AROUND INTO THE SAME YEAH, THAT LOOKS LIKE CHANGE THE DEFINITION.
ACTUALLY, I THINK HE CHANGED THE DEFINITION TO INCLUDE TEAMS BECAUSE I MEAN, COULDN'T A DUPLEX MAYBE WHAT, IS THERE ANYTHING OUT OUTLIERS THAT YOU RAN INTO THAT WOULD BE, THAT NEEDS A PARTICULAR ATTENTION THAT WOULDN'T FIT INTO EITHER CATEGORY YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? WE STILL, WITH THIS DEFINITION, IT WOULD STILL NEED ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
UM, UH, LET'S SEE OUR DEFINITION, YOU KNOW, FIXING THAT OF MANUFACTURED HOME.
LET'S SEE, WE HAD SOMETHING IN, IT WAS IN YOUR SECOND DOCUMENT SET ABOUT THE 19TH FOOT MINIMUM WIDTH REQUIREMENT.
UM, THEY WERE CITING SOME LEGISLATIVE ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN BY SOMEONE.
THERE'S A PRECEDENT THAT HAD ISSUE WITH THE 19 FOOT WIDE SOMETHING.
LET'S SEE HOW I DID NOT REMEMBER, SEE MY DOCUMENT.
UM, SO 19 FOOT NO MYTH MAY HAVE THE EFFECT OF EXCLUDING SINGLE WIDE MANUFACTURERS AND SHOULD BE REVIEWED AGAINST THIS.
UM, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE, SHALL NOT HAVE THE EFFECT OF EXCLUDING MANUFACTURED HOUSING.
DOES THAT EXCLUDE IT BY NATURE? IF WE LOOK AT RA ONE MM-HMM
SORRY, I CAN'T WORK WITH ONE MONITOR THERE.
ARE THERE MINIMUMS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? IS THERE A MINIMUM? MINIMUM WHAT? FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? I, I, I DON'T THINK SO.
I GUESS WE'RE HAVE WORRY ABOUT WE DON'T EXCLUDE THEM ANYWHERE, DO WE? IN OUR CODE 19? NO.
I THINK WHAT I THINK THE POINT THERE IS, WELL, LEMME GET TO ONE.
YOU JUST, JUST, WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THIS, THAT STRUCK ME AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT.
I DID READ IT AND IT DID MAKE SENSE TO ME.
I'M NOT FINDING IT RIGHT AWAY.
I CAN GO HOME AND LOOK AT IT AND IT'S EMAIL.
I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
AND THE LAST ONE WAS THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR OR OVERLAY EXEMPTION FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
WHERE RIGHT NOW WE, LET'S SEE.
NO, IT'S THAT BE A BUILDING CODE.
IT JUST GO 19 FOOT MINIMUM MIGHT BE A BUILDING CODE.
BUILDING CODE BY WHO IS THE, IS THE MINIMUM WIDTH BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT.
BUT AT WHO'S FOR THE MANUFACTURER CODE? WOULD THAT BE LIKE THE COUNTY'S BUILDING CODE OR, YEAH, THE STATEWIDE VIRGINIA STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE.
IS THAT WHERE THAT CAME FROM? I THINK IT THAT IT WAS IN OUR A ONE.
IT'S WHAT THE USE, LET ME, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL JUST LOOK AT IT WHEN I GO.
YES, BECAUSE THAT'S, SEE, OKAY.
AND I THINK THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR IN HERE IS FINE IF WILL GOING TO ALLOW, WE TAKE THE OTHER OPTION WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE DEFINITION, IF THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR ALLOWS THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
WELL, WE DON'T SINGLE FAMILY, BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE WHATEVER THE WORDING IS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TREAT THEM ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN DO SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO WHAT MIGHT BE, BY GOING WITH THE OPTION OF THAT, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GO BACK AND ACTUALLY, UM, COME BACK WITH SOME SUGGEST SUGGESTED TEXT EDITS, EDITS, UM, WHERE IT WOULD BELONG, THE CHANGES, JUST LIKE WE GO THROUGH THE OTHER ONE.
BUT IF WE, IF WE'RE DOING, WE'RE JUST GONNA CHANGE THE DEFINITION CHANGE DEFINITION, THEN FIX THE USAGE.
WE CHANGING IT OR WE WON'T HAVE TO.
IF YOU CHANGE THE DEFINITION TO INCLUDE MANUFACTURING, HOUSING, WE'RE NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE IN ALL THE APPROPRIATE PORTION.
SO THE ONLY THING WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THEN IS, UH, MAKE OR JUST MAKE A RUN THROUGH AND REMOVE ANYTHING WHERE IT SAYS MANUFACTURING.
THERE'S STILL GONNA BE SOME CHANGES IN THERE, BUT WOULD THE DEFINITION MAKES IT A LOT SIMPLER.
DO YOU, DO YOU MIND DOING THAT? NO.
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WELL THAT'S IT FOR THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
LET'S JUST, JUST GO AROUND TO, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO BRING UP A TALK
ANYBODY ELSE? UH, YOU FOR YOUR PACKET THIS MONTH ON CONSENT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN SEP FOR A JUNKYARD.
UM, I'M TRYING NOT TO DELAY IT, BUT I'M WAITING ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO COME BACK WITH SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE COVENANTS THAT ARE ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO IT'S THE
UM, SO PENDING COMMENTS, THAT'LL BE ON.
IT'S BEEN, IT'S TAKEN A WHILE FOR ME TO GET SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE FROM THE EPA TO DIRECT ME TO THE RIGHT PLACE.
YEAH, THAT'S, I CERTAINLY NEED SOME SCRUTINY.
IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, THEN UH, TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.