* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THE TOWN [00:00:01] COUNCIL REGULAR WORK SESSION [ Town Council Work Session on May 4, 2026.] FOR MONDAY, MAY 4TH. AND MS. WILSON, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKRELL. HERE. VICE MAYOR AL. HERE. COUNCILMAN DOPA? HERE. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. COUNCILMAN RAPORT? HERE. COUNCILMAN ? HERE. COUNCILMAN WOOD PIERCE. OKAY. SO OUR FIRST ITEM IN BUSINESS IS A CLOSED MEETING, AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MADAM MAYOR, MOVE THE PANEL COUNSEL CONVENE ENCLOS MEETING PURSU TO SECTIONS 2.2 3 7 11 AND 2.2 DASH 37 12 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION OF LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY THE PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS TO REQUIRE THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE AMENDMENT TO THE VOLUNTARY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA REGARDING THE COMPROMISE FOR PILOT MEALS, LODGING, TAXES ENTERED INTO THE APRIL 11TH, 2018, AND B PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE SECOND. OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION. SECOND ROLL CALL. COUNCIL RUSHFORD? YES. COUNCIL ? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. COUNCIL LON. YES. RIGHT. MAYOR BY. YES. OKAY. WE ARE NOW 2025. 2026. WRITE OFF THE BAD DEBT. SO, GOING TO COUNCIL, IT'S KIND OF A HOUSEKEEPING THING THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR. UM, THIS IS A POLICY THAT WE'VE APPROVED, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UH, ALONG WITH THE AUDITORS TO WRITE OFF THE BAD DEBT WITH THE TOWN FOR THE MUTUAL. UH, WE'RE REQUESTING TO WRITE OFF 146 UTILITY ACCOUNTS, TOTALING $45,926 AND 66 CENTS. UM, AS YOU'LL SEE, IT IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN IT HAS BEEN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS THERE. UM, THIS REPRESENTS, UH, BASICALLY 0.1% OF WHAT WE COLLECT IN A YEAR FOR UTILITIES. SO ONE AVERAGE REQUEST, $32 MILLION IN UTILITIES, AND, UM, WRITE OFF $45,000 AS UH, SAID PERCENT. MR. WILSON, DO YOU, I'M JUST, I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED IN THIS KIND OF STUFF. YOU DO. YOU KNOW WHY? I MEAN, HONESTLY, OTHER THAN FY 21, WHICH PROBABLY THAT WAS WAY BACK WHEN COVID AND THEY WOULDN'T LET US DO A BUNCH OF STUFF, UM, IS IT'S LOWER THAN ANYTHING SINCE FY 22. CAN YOU ATTRIBUTE THAT TO ANYTHING? SO, UH, PREVIOUS YEARS WE DID HAVE, UM, UH, SEVERAL HIGH ACCOUNTS, UH, THE, UH, THAT, UH, FRANKLY WE'RE BUSINESSES, COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS. UH, THIS YEAR YOU'LL NOTICE THAT A LOT OF 'EM ARE, UH, PRETTY WELL, UH, RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS. MM-HMM . UM, THE, UH, UH, SO THAT'S SOME OF IT. THE, UH, A LOT OF THE ACCOUNTS THIS YEAR, ACTUALLY, I CAN'T SAY A LOT OF 'EM, SEVERAL ACCOUNTS THIS YEAR, UH, DO HAVE, UH, METER TAMPERING CHARGES IN THEM WHERE SOMEONE TAMPERED BEFORE LEFT US. UH, SO THE METER TAMPERING CHARGES HAVEN'T BEEN INCLUDED IN THOSE, BUT, UM, UH, OVERALL, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY WELL ORDINARY FOR THE, FOR THE COURSE OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS. I NOTICED WE HAVE JUST ACCOUNT NUMBERS THIS YEAR. , IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD ADDRESSES AND WE ALL SAT THERE, HAD ADDRESSES BEFORE. I KNOW, BUT THAT'S, I, I'M FINE WITH THAT. 'CAUSE IT ALWAYS FRUSTRATED ME WHEN I'D SEE THE ADDRESS. I'D BE LIKE, WHY IN THE WORLD ARE THEY? SO, BUT YEAH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? IF NOT, I THINK WE CAN PUT THIS ON CONSENT. . I SAID CONSENT. WE KNEW YOU WERE GONNA SAY IT. WAYNE . ALL RIGHT. I COULD TAKE ODD SUIT. GONNA SAY IT FIRST. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOOD. SO NEXT IS THE BID AWARD, WHICH IS, UM, THAT MAKES CONCRETE, MS. CAMPBELL IS HERE FOR THAT. UH, SO COUNSEL IS BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A CONTRACT FOR THE SUPPLY AND DELIVERY OF READY MIX CONCRETE FOR PUBLIC WORKS. WE ISSUED A SOLICITATION AND RECEIVED ONE BID, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST BID WE'VE RECEIVED IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS. UM, SO TO HELP MANAGE THAT, WE INCLUDED IN THE SOLICITATION SAFEGUARDS THAT LIMIT PRICE INCREASES AND TIE ANY FUTURE ADJUSTMENTS TO STANDARD MEASURES OF HOW PRICES ARE CHANGING, LIKE THE PRODUCER PRICE INDEX AND FEDERALLY IMPOSED TARIFFS. STEPH IS RECOMMENDING AWARD TO ROCKINGHAM READINESS OUT OF HARRISONBURG FOR FIRM FIXED UNIT PRICING ON, UM, SEVERAL TYPES OF MATERIALS. CONCRETE WE USE FOR MAINTENANCE AND CONSTRUCTION AND FUNDING IS BUDGETED AND AVAILABLE IN THE HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE CURB AND GUTTER RECONSTRUCTION LINE ITEM. ANY [00:05:01] QUESTIONS FOR MS. CAMPBELL? MS. CAMPBELL, DOES THAT MEAN THE CONCRETE'S COMING HERE FROM HARRISONBURG OR DO THEY HAVE LOCAL PLANTS? DO YOU KNOW? I, THIS THEY DO HAVE A LOCAL PLANT, DON'T THEY? IN MANCHESTER OR WE GOT ONE OUT RIGHT OUT HERE BEHIND. UH OH. YEAH. YEAH. KELLY INDU. THAT'S ROCKY. MM-HMM . SOMEBODY ELSE. OKAY. IT USED TO BE SOMEBODY ELSE. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MS. CAMPBELL? I'M GONNA PUT THIS THANK YOU TO GET ONE IN WAYNE . I SEE HOW YOU'RE, I'M SHE'S NOT GONNA ASK IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS. JUST KIDDING. ALL MS. CAPISH. AND I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT, RIGHT. IT'S MS. CAPISH CAPISH. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. KAKI. CAPISH. BUT EVERYBODY SAYS IT A MILLION DIFFERENT WAYS. YOUR PHONE WILL CALL HER MISS ISH MARRIED. YOU'LL LIKE THAT, I'M SURE. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, THIS FIRST APPLICATION IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL. UM, AND THIS IS AT 1521 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE. THIS IS ZONED R ONE. UM, IT'S A VERY LARGE LOT. UH, THIS IS A HISTORIC HOME. I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS OF IT. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THE APPLICANT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF IT, UM, WHEN THEY CAME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PUBLIC HEARING. UM, SO THERE ARE TWO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON SITE. THEY'RE PERMITTED THIS BECAUSE OF THE LOT SIZE. UM, ONLY THE HOUSE, THE MAIN HOUSE IS PART OF THIS APPLICATION. UM, SO SORRY. SO THEY WANT TO HAVE SIX BEDROOMS, UH, NO MORE THAN 10 OCCUPANTS. THEY'VE GOT PLENTY OF PARKING AND STAFF IN AN INSPECTION AND EVERYTHING IS UP TO CODE FOR US. SO, UH, PLENTY OF COMMISSION ON THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOBODY, I DON'T REMEMBER ANYONE SPEAKING AGAINST IT. UM, AND THEY RECOMMENDED NO CONDITIONS. WHERE IS THAT? GIMME A VISUAL AGAIN. YES, HOLD ON. USED TO LIVE, SAY AGAIN. NEXT TO OLD HOUSE. UH, NEXT TO KILL. HAVE WE ALL ALWAYS SAY EXTENDED. EXTENDED? OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, I KNOW NONE OF THAT IS UP THERE. GET DRUNK. MAKE NO MISTAKE. SO IT'S BESIDE WHERE DR. LINE AND WE BOTH ALL UP. YEAH. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. GOTCHA. AND IT'S ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD, OBVIOUSLY IT'S ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE ROAD. GOWN IS A LARGE, THAT IS THE LARGEST STONE WALL IN FRONT OF IT. IT DOES. SO THEY'RE UM, ARE THEY GOING TO BE THERE AT ANY POINT IN TIME? UM, RIGHT NOW, NO. SO THEY SAID THAT THEY JUST PURCHASED THIS, THEY'RE CURRENTLY LIVING, I THINK IN ALEXANDRIA UNTIL THEIR LAST CHILD GRADUATES HIGH SCHOOL. AND THEN THEY WANNA MOVE OUT HERE FULL TIME. SO I THINK THEY SAID THEY'VE GOT A YEAR OR TWO BEFORE THEIR KID GRADUATES. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IT IS, ONE'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT. SO YEAH. COMPANY. THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE CARETAKERS. GREAT. THEIR ADDRESS IS IN RESTON. I'M SORRY, RESTON. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS RESTON. WELL, THAT'S THE MAILING. SO WILL, WILL THE CARETAKERS BE LIVING ON THE PREMISES? NOT LIVING ON THE PREMISES, BUT THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE HERE. IT'S UM, THEY HAVE A THING WITH SKYLINE CABINS IS THE GROUP THAT'S, THAT MANAGES OTHER PROPERTIES HERE. IT'S COMPANY PLANNING TO MOVE OUT HERE. IS THAT WHAT SHE SAID? YEP. THEY SAID THEY BOUGHT THIS AS THEIR RETIREMENT HOME. THEY'RE JUST WAITING FOR THEIR LAST KID TO GRADUATE AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA RENT IT OUT FOR NOW TO, TO HELP. I'M SURE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I AND THIS ONE IS, UM, THIS ONE HAS TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? YES. MM-HMM . YEAH. ALRIGHT. I WAS JUST GONNA, I WAS GONNA WARN Y'ALL DON'T SAY CONSENT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT GOING CONSENT . ALRIGHT. AND IT'S, AND SINCE TODAY IS MAY 4TH, THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE'VE GOT SCHEDULED FOR OUR MAY MEETING. THAT'S GONNA BE THE TUESDAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY. MM-HMM . OKAY. ALRIGHT. THERE WE GO. THERE'S THAT TUESDAY. TUESDAY AFTER ALL. OKAY, NEXT ONE. NEXT UP. MM-HMM . YOU'RE, YOU'RE THREE IN A ROW. YEAH. ONE DOWN. YOU GOT A SECOND ONE. . ALL RIGHT. SO THIS NEXT ONE IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO DEFINE FIREARMS RETAIL, UM, AND FIREARMS MANUFACTURING IN TOWN. CODE 1 75 DASH THREE, THEN AMEN. UM, 1 75 39 A TO PERMIT FIREARMS [00:10:01] RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS BY WRIGHT. AND THIS IS GONNA BE ONE DISTRICT, UM, AND TO AMEND THE CODE TO ALLOW, UM, MANUFACTURING BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM, SO THE PROPOSAL IS THAT THE FIRE RIGHT USE WOULD BE ANY BUSINESS ENGAGED IN THE SALE MANUFACTURE FOR SALE OR REPAIR FIREARMS. AND WHERE THE ASSEMBLY IS LESS THAN 35% OF THE RETAIL AREA, ANYTHING OVER 35%, WE WOULD KICK THAT TO THE FIREARMS MANUFACTURING AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM, SO PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL APPROVAL, UM, RIGHT NOW THE ASSEMBLY PORTION ONLY IS PERMITTED IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT UNDER LIGHT MANUFACTURING. SO WHAT TRIGGERED THIS WAS THE APPLICANT HAD A BUSINESS LICENSE THAT WE APPROVED, UM, FOR THE GUN, FOR THE RETAIL PORTION, THE GUN SALE. SO THEY HAVE A BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY, THEY WANNA MOVE IT INTO THE TOWN. UM, AND HE MANUFACTURES REPAIRS, UH, AND SELLS THESE GUNS. UM, THE, A T REGULATES THE ACTUAL DAY TO DAY AND HIS OPERATIONS OF IT. SO HE'S APPLIED FOR TWO SEPARATE FFL LICENSES. ORIGINALLY IT WAS ONE, UM, NOW HE'S BROKEN IT OFF INTO TWO BECAUSE HE CAN DO THE RETAIL SALES, BUT FOR THE GUNSMITHING IN THE ASSEMBLY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF LICENSE. AND SO THAT ONE IS ON HOLD, UM, UNTIL THIS PASSES THROUGH COUNSEL. UM, BUT AS HE PUT IT, HE, THEY LIKENED IT TO NOT TO BE CAVALIER, LIKE GUN LIGOS. LIKE HE GETS DIFFERENT PIECES AND THEN HE ASSEMBLES THEM FOR PEOPLE. SO THEY, I DON'T QUITE KNOW HOW GUNS WORK, BUT, UM, HE PUTS 'EM TOGETHER, HE REPAIRS 'EM, AND THEN HE SELLS. IS THIS THE ONE THAT JUST OPENED? JACK, JOHN MARSHALL HAD A BIG OPENING THIS, HE HAD A, HE WAS ALREADY OUTTA HIS HOME IN LINDEN AND HE ADDITIONAL USE PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY. RIGHT. HE'S EXPANDED HIS BUSINESS WANTS TO EXPAND IT INTO THE TOWN. UM, AND SO HE'S IN THE, IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OVER BY THE UPS STORE. THE BEST OR WHERE UPS WAS, THEY HAD TANKS DOWN THERE ACROSS, ACROSS FROM THE SEVEN, SEVEN. YEAH. SO, SO WAS HE ASSEMBLING AT HIS PRE PREVIOUS BUSINESS? YES. HE HAD TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO DO THAT. OKAY. WELL, HE NEEDED AN OH SEVEN, AN OH SEVEN FFL LICENSE IN ORDER TO DO THAT. HE HAD WHEN HE WAS IN THE COUNTY. UM, BUT BECAUSE OF IT NOT BEING PERMITTED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT HE'S LOCATED IN, HE DOESN'T HAVE THAT LICENSE YET. SO HE'S GOT, AND I DON'T KNOW THE A TF LICENSE OR THE FFL LICENSE CATEGORIES, BUT RIGHT NOW HE CAN SELL, AND THEN HE NEEDS THAT SEVEN TO ASSEMBLE AND DO THE GUNSMITHING. BUT HE'S NOT, LIKE HE SAID, HE'S NOT FORGING THE PIECES. HE'S NOT MELTING METAL AND, AND CREATING THESE, LIKE THE ACTUAL GUN ITSELF. IT'S, HE'S PUTTING PIECES TOGETHER, YOU KNOW. BUT IT IS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE A TF CONSIDERS ASSEMBLY, UH, MANUFACTURING AND THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO O OH SEVEN FFL. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T PERSONALLY, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE GUNSMITHING ASPECT IN THE C ONE. UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE REPAIRING, YOU'RE CUSTOMIZING IT. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IF I, I WANT TO BRING MY GUN INTO HIM, UH, TO FIX A TRIGGER OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE IN A A C ONE. UM, SO, UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE, IS HE, IS HE USING, UH, A GHOST GUNNER ON MACHINE CNC MACHINE? IS HE DOING ANY OF THAT? WELL, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT IS A ZONING END. YEAH. BUT I, I I, I, I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO UNDER, TO MAKE THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL FOR ZONING. SHE MAY NOT KNOW ALL THE SPECIFICS OF YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE DIFFERENTIATING BASED ON FLOOR AREA. SO 35% OF WERE LEFT OF THE BUSINESS IS ALLOCATED FOR THE GUNSMITHING. UM, WELL, YOU CAN MAKE 500. IT SIMPLY THAT AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IT'S A BY RIGHT USE PER THIS. I, I, I MAY, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE MADE IT CLEAR, THIS IS NOT A LAND USE, THIS IS TEXT AMENDMENT. SO YOU CAN HAVE AT IT, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR DISCUSSION [00:15:01] ABOUT OKAY. WHAT YOU THINK OF THE TEXT, OF THE PROPOSED TEXT. I MEAN, SO IT DOES NOT, I, I HEAR WHAT BRUCE IS SAYING. SO IT DOESN'T GO BY THE VOLUME OF WHAT HE'S DOING. IT GOES STRICTLY BY BUILDING SIZE OR HIS RETAIL AREA. YEAH, THE 35%, WHICH MAKES IT APPROPRIATE FOR THE ZONING I THROUGH THE TEXT, UH, TEXT AMENDMENT. BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN MAKE 500 OF THESE THINGS A YEAR, UH, WITH THIS, WITH A SMALL DESKTOP IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DOING IT. UM, I, I JUST CAN'T MAKE THE DIFF I'M, I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY MAKING THE DIFFERENTIAL, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE A TF. THE A TF SAYS THAT IF HE'S GOING TO ASSEMBLE THAT, THAT'S MANUFACTURING. MANUFACTURING, I AM, I, UM, I GUESS BELONGS IN AN INDUSTRIAL, I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED A, A REZONE INTO AN L ONE, WHICH WOULD BE LIGHT MANUFACTURING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, IF, IF THAT'S WHERE THIS COUNSEL WANTS TO GO AT SOME POINT, I, I, I JUST HAVE, I, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, ALLOWING AN SUP FOR ASSEMBLY OR MANUFACTURING WITHIN A C ONE WITHIN A C ONE. AND THAT I, I JUST BRING, BRING THAT TO THE TABLE FOR COUNSEL IN MY EXPERIENCE OBVIOUSLY IS, UH, MY BACKGROUND, UM, I HAVE 15 YEARS WORKING FOR A, A HIGH, HIGH-END GUN. SIMILAR, BUT WE'RE A MANUFACTURER, SO WE'RE IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK. SO UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE NO INDUSTRIAL IN OUR INDUSTRIAL PARK. WELL, SO LET ME, THIS IS PROBABLY A SILLY ANALOGY SHEET, BUT I'M GONNA DO IT ANYWAY. SO IF I, LET'S NOT TALK FIREARMS, LET'S TALK BAKERY, MAYBE IN MY LITTLE SMALL BAKERY, I CAN PUMP OUT, YOU KNOW, 50 FIVES IN A DAY. IF I REALLY GET AT IT, DOES THAT MAKE ME COMPARABLE TO INTERBAKE? YOU KNOW, WHO'S IN THE INDUSTRIAL? YOU WOULD NEVER EVEN QUESTION LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR LOCAL BAKERY DOING? BECAUSE THEY CAN DO A HUGE VOLUME IN A SMALL AMOUNT OF SPACE. AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION. IF HE'S MANUFACTURING OR ASSEMBLING LESS THAN A CERTAIN NUMBER, DOES THAT MAKE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE? UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING, HONESTLY. I MEAN, I WOULD, I DO, I'VE BEEN BUYING FROM YEARS FROM HIM. YEAH, THAT'S, BUT I'M JUST ASKING YOUR CONCERN. SO IF, IS IT IF HE'S MANUFACTURING AND ASSEMBLING UNDER A CERTAIN NUMBER VERSUS OVER, WELL, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ABOUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT WHAT HE'S MANUFACTURING SO MUCH AS IT IS. YEAH. HOW MUCH AS IT IS ABOUT, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ESTABLISHING A PRESIDENT FOR C ONE BECAUSE ONCE YOU GO DOWN THIS ROAD THERE, THIS IS AN SU SO WE CAN REVOKE IT AT ANY TIME. WELL, THAT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT A LAND USE CASE. THIS IS JUST THE TEXT AMENDMENT. RIGHT. SO YOU CAN HAVE AT A FULL DISCUSSION. IT'S NOT ABOUT SOMEONE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I'M SAYING THIS IS AN SUP, THE TOWN CAN REVOKE IT AT ANY TIME. I THINK THE PROPOSAL'S BY BUY, RIGHT, FOR, FOR HIS, FOR THE APPLICANT'S OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT, HIS STORE WOULD FALL UNDER THE BUY RIGHT. USE THAT FIREARMS RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT. WE'RE SAYING THAT IF SOMEBODY CAME IN, IT WOULD REQUIRE AN U AND THEY MANUFACTURER IT WOULD BE AN SUP IF IT'S MORE THAN 35% OF HIS RETAIL SALES, RIGHT. WHICH IS IN THE COVER SHEET OF OUR AGENDA ITEM 3D 1, 2, 3 FOURTH BLURB DOWN. IT WOULD REQUIRE AN SUP IF THE ASSEMBLY USE OVERTAKES THE RETAIL USES. RIGHT. AND AT WHICH TIME WE WOULD HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER THE SUP. WELL, THIS MAY BECOME MUTE AFTER JULY ONE ANYWAY, AT FALL HE DOES MORE THAN JUST HIGH POWERED RIFLE. WELL, UH, THE JULY ONE INVOLVES THE AR 15. IT DOES THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE INDUSTRIAL, LIKE THE ASSEMBLY, LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL USE OR ACTIVITY TO CREEP INTO THE COMMERCIAL. IS THAT APPROPRIATE? [00:20:01] THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY CONCERN. THE A TF BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE LOWER RECEIVER IS BASICALLY THE GUN. IT'S, IT'S SERIALIZED. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE NEED NOT, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRACK WHERE, WHERE THAT RECEIVER IS GOING. UH, THE SUPPRESSORS CELL, SUPPRESSORS SUPPRESSORS WILL BE TRACKED AS WELL. UH, AND THAT'S WHY HE NEEDS THE OH SEVEN FFL. WELL, IS HE, IS HE MAKING RECEIVERS THERE THOUGH? IF HE'S JUST FACILITY? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE WENT TO THE GRAND OPENING THIS WEEKEND. I DID. DID, I DID GO, I DID GO TALK TO HIM. HE WAS BUSY. IF HE'S MAKING RECEIVERS. HE'S BEEN VERY BUSY FOR YEARS. CRAZY. HE'S NOT GOING FORGING, HE'S NOT MAKING, MAKING RECEIPTS YET. NO, HE SAID HE GETS THE PARTS AND HE ASSEMBLES THEM FOR PEOPLE, LIKE PEOPLE WILL STAY. SO HE'S NOT ORDER SOUNDS LIKE HE'S ORDERING THE, HE'S ORDERING THE LOWERS. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I GET, I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. WELL, I KNOW FIREARMS LAW TOO. I MEAN, I'M A FIREARMS COLLECTOR AND TWO TIME NATIONAL CHAMPION SHOOTER FOR THAT MATTER. SO MOST Y'ALL PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT, BUT HANG ON. SO, UM, IT, BUT IT'S A BIG, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A VIABLE QUESTION. IT'S A, IT'S AN EMPTY STORE SPACE THAT'S PRODUCED NO TAX REVENUE TO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL FOR YEARS AND A BLIGHTED SIDE OF THE COMMERCIAL PART OF THIS TOWN. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS. AND IF HE BECOMES MANUFACTURING MORE THAN HIS RETAIL SALES, HE HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. WELL, IT IS AGAIN, IT IS THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT THAT, THAT I'M, I, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE GUNSMITHING ASPECT OF IT, THE GUN STORE ASPECT OF IT. UH, HE HAD SOME SPRINGFIELD, UH, HANDGUNS IN THERE. UH, UH, SO, UH, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, THE BUSINESS PER SE. IT'S JUST THE, THE FACT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MANUFACTURING WHEN THE A TF SAYS I GOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE I'M BRINGING INTO, I'M COMING INTO A COMMERCIAL ASPECT AND PROBABLY OUR ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW FOR IT IN COMMERCIAL. AND TYPICALLY YOU'LL FIND THESE PLACES IN INDUSTRIAL. SO, SO YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE A HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT? NO, I'M, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT GOING DOWN THE ROAD OF OPENING UP ASSEMBLY, UH, MANUFACTURING ES INSIDE OF OUR COMMERCIAL IN C ONE, BLEEDING INDUSTRIAL INTO COMMERCIAL. THAT'S, THERE'S SOMETHING TAKING UP SPACE THAT'S DONE VACANT, THAT'S PROVIDING JOBS IS LIKE WHAT IF A BAKERY, WHAT IF MOMS DECIDES TO, TO MASSIVELY SELL THEIR COOKIES THAT THEY HAVE IN THERE? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE NUMBER? WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE CRITERIA THAT YOU USE TO MEASURE THAT? SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HERE. I MEAN, THIS IS, I MEAN THE MEASURING THE SPACE OF IT, WELL, SHE PUT IT, SHE PUT IT UP THERE. I'M VERY MUCH, YEAH, 35%. I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S LEGITIMATE CRITERIA TO ME ANYWAYS. BUT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND BRUCE IS CONCERNED IF, IF IT'S WITH THE, AT TF, BUT AT TF WILL DEAL WITH THAT. TRUST ME, A TF WILL. SO SINCE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, I SAY WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND YOU KNOW, IF AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, AFTER HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC, IF, IF THIS COUNCIL DECIDES TO TABLE IT, TO BRING IT BACK, TO TAKE IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR TO WHATEVER TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ELSE, WE'D HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH? WHAT'D YOU SAY? NO, NO. I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, AS FAR AS I JUST, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH TAKING IT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GETTING PUBLIC INPUT? MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THE WHOLE THING, ONCE HE ASSEMBLES THESE, IS HE GOING TO PUT, AND I KNOW BRUCE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, A CLEARING BARREL IN THE BACK TO TEST THEM. MM-HMM . SEE NOW YOU'RE GETTING SPECIFICS THAT HE'S GONNA BE THAT'S, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE, I'M LOOKING AT THE ZONING END OF IT. YEAH. THAT HE FELL. YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THE MANUFACTURING OF IT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND, BUT SHE'S, SHE'S, SHE DOESN'T, I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH HOW HE'S RUNNING THAT BE THAT BE WHAT? ATF, IT'S LIKE A LICENSE. I WOULD IMAGINE ATF IS GONNA ASK THEM SOME OF THOSE DEEPER QUESTIONS, RIGHT. THEY REGULATE THEM. RIGHT. I WOULD SAY THEY'RE GONNA ASK IT. SO THAT'S ON. BUT HE WILL ALSO BE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN ASK HIM QUESTIONS. BUT I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ASKING. YEAH, I KNOW JOE. JOE, JOE. HE DOES GOOD WORK. I KNOW THAT 'CAUSE THAT BOUGHT FROM ME. ALRIGHT, JOE, I WOULD JUST SAY TOO, TO BE SPECIFIC, YES HE HAS THE OPERATION, WHAT HE'S DOING HERE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TEXT AMENDMENT, NOT [00:25:01] THE SPECIFIC BUSINESS BUSINESS. RIGHT. I'LL ALSO MENTION THAT CURRENTLY IN THE C ONE DISTRICT, IN THE UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED, THERE IS AN INDUSTRIAL SECTION CURRENTLY THAT ALLOWS DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES AND WHOLESALE ESTABLISHMENTS WITH STORAGE AND PROCESSING. THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER USE WITHIN THAT INDUSTRIAL USES WITHIN THE C ONE BY SPECIAL USE PROJECT. ALRIGHT, THAT'S FANTASTIC. I'M EXCITED FOR HIM. I HOPE HE DOES WELL. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 26TH. OKAY. THANK YOU. PAGE 26. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP. CHICKEN YOU AGAIN. OKAY. CHICKENS. CHICKEN RABBIT. UM, SO THIS IS A TEXT. WHAT ABOUT ROOSTERS? YEP, ROOSTERS. SO THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT FOR 1 75 3 AND THEN 1 75, 1 10 0.5, WHICH ARE URBAN AG STANDARDS. UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH 1 75 3 IS WE HAVE CLARIFIED THE DEFINITIONS OF URBAN AGRICULTURE AND AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS. UM, AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT CHANGE THAT WE MADE AS TO THESE DEFINITIONS, UM, BECAUSE IT DISTINGUISHES BETWEEN THE TWO. SO WITH URBAN AGRICULTURE, THIS IS YOUR SMALL SCALE. IT'S ON RESIDENTIAL LOTS, SINGLE FAMILY. UM, AND IT HAS TO BE AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE HOME. SO THIS IS NOT THE MAIN USE, THIS IS NOT AN OPERATING FARM. AND IT IS LIMITED TO CHICKENS, BEES, RABBITS. UM, AND WHAT WE DID IS WE CREATED THIS TIERED ACREAGE SYSTEM. SO, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A SECOND VERSUS AGRICULTURAL PURSUIT, WHICH IS OUR LARGE SCALE, BASICALLY YOUR FULL FARMING. UM, AND THIS IS ON 10 ACRES OR MORE IN AG ZONE DISTRICTS. UM, AND THE PRIMARY USE IS THE FARM. SO THE RAISING OF LIVESTOCK, BREEDING OF LIVESTOCK, FARM BUSINESSES, THE STRUCTURES LIKE THE WINERIES, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, SO WITH THIS TIERED SYSTEM THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH, UM, WE HAVE A TIER ONE, SO THAT'S LESS THAN AN ACRE. SO THAT IS UP TO SIX HEADS, UP TO SIX RABBITS. UM, AND THESE ARE OUTDOOR MEAT RABBITS UP THAT MEANS PEA. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS? WHAT DO YOU MEAN MEAT? OUTDOOR MEAT. THEY'RE USED TO BE BUTCHERED. THE RABBITS? YEAH. THEY ARE MEAT RABBITS. THEY SLAUGHTER THEM OUT. SOME OF LOCAL RESTAURANTS IS LOCAL RABBITS. OKAY. AND THEN THEY PROCESS 'EM AND YEP. UH, VAULT SELLER HAS A DELICIOUS RABBITS WHERE SLAUGHTERING HAPPENS. ING IS NOT TO HAPPEN OUTDOORS. IT HAS TO BE INDOOR. DOES IT SAY THAT? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO SQUEALED TOO LOUD, RIGHT? QUIETLY. I DO NOT DIE QUIETLY. WE HAD SOMEBODY ASK THE MOVING ONE, MOVING ON ONE. UM, I JUST NEED TO, SORRY. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO, SO LIKE, UH, WITH THE RABBITS, SINCE THEY'RE TYPICALLY DISPATCHED AT ABOUT 12 WEEKS, WE HAVE PROVISIONS, UM, THAT THEY HAVE TO RETURN BACK DOWN TO SIX WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE TIER TWO. SORRY. I WAS LIKE, OH WAIT, HOLD ON. ABOUT RABBITS TWO, WE HAVE GREATER THAN AN ACRE TO LESS THAN FIVE ACRES. YOU CAN HAVE UP TO 12 HENS, UP TO 12 RABBITS, UP TO SIX BEEHIVES. UM, AND THEN THE SETBACKS HAVE STAYED THE SAME. ALL OF THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS ARE THE SAME. WE DON'T ALLOW THE SALE OF PRODUCTS ON SITE. YOU COULD TRAIN AND SHARE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA SELL YOUR PRODUCTS, YOU NEED TO SELL IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. . CORRECT. AND THEN OVER FIVE ACRES, YOU COULD HAVE UP TO 18 HENS AND ONE ROOSTER. UM, AND THEN UP TO 18 FOR THE RABBITS UP TO 12 BEEHIVES. AND THE SETBACKS ARE INCREASED WITH THE ROOSTER. THE CAVEAT IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 10 HENS. THAT CAME ABOUT FROM OUR INTERVIEWS WITH THE AG EXTENSION AGENTS, WITH, UM, UH, THE, THE FFA TEACHER AT WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE. UM, WAIT, HOLD ON A SECOND. WHAT? SO WE INTERVIEW, SO WE ARE GONNA ALLOW ROOSTERS 'CAUSE WE AREN'T, WE CURRENTLY DON'T ALLOW ROOSTERS, EVEN THOUGH THE PEOPLE MORE THAN FIVE TO THINK WE DO. AND WE DO NOT ALLOW ROO, WE, WE HAVE NOT ALLOWED ROOSTERS IN THE TOWN ON FIVE OR MORE ACRES. AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF HENS BECAUSE APPARENTLY THE ROOSTERS CAN BE HARMFUL TO THE HENS IF THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH HENS PER ROOSTER. SO THE TYPICAL RATIO IS AT LEAST 10 HENS TO EACH ROOSTER. OTHERWISE THEY CAN OVER BREED THEM, KILL THEM. DID WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THAT WE WERE PRESENTED WITH WHEN I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP LAST TIME WITH THE GUY FROM VIRGINIA TECH. YES. SO HIS INFORMATION, HE'S PASSED AWAY, BUT, UM, OH, WHAT [00:30:01] A GREAT INFORMATION FROM HIM. AND THEN THE AG EXTENSION OFFICE THAT WE REVIEWS OUR MANAGEMENT PLANS. NOW HIS PREDECESSOR, OR SORRY, HIS SUCCESSOR, UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH ALL OF THEM TO BRING THIS. SO THIS IS BASED ON RESEARCH ACADEMIC JOURNALS. LIKE THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE JUST CAME UP WITH. THIS IS BASED IN FACT WHEN, SO THE ROOSTER IS ONLY ALLOWED WHEN IT'S GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES. FIVE ACRES AND A HALF. AT LEAST 10 HAS JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, LIKE HOW MANY FIVE ACRE LOTS DO WE HAVE IN THE TOWN? 35 THAT ARE ZONED RESIDENTIAL. ARE THEY MOSTLY ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF DOWN? ARE THERE ANY THAT ARE LIKE ON THAT SOUTHERN, UH, A LOT ON THAT SOUTHERN PORTION, UM, OFF OF JOHN MARSHALL, UH, LOCUS. MM-HMM . WE HAVE A LOT UP THERE. UM, AND THERE'S A VIEW JUST DISPERSED AROUND ARE THEY JUST PARCELS OR, OR, OR THEY'RE ACTUALLY HOMES ON, THERE'S HOMES ON THEM. OKAY. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE RESEARCH AND HOW YOU'VE MAPPED IT OUT. AND I CAN, I CAN LIVE WITH ALL OF IT EXCEPT I HAVE ONE ISSUE OF THE SALE OF PRODUCTS. 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE IF MY NEIGHBOR WANTS TO, HAS AN EXTRA DOZEN OR TWO AND THEY WANT TO JUST CASUALLY SELL IT, THAT'S LIKE A YARD SALE. THAT'S FINE. IT'S NOT EVEN THROUGH YARD SALE. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT INCIDENTAL, YES. IF YOUR PRIMARY MEANS OF PAYING YOUR BILLS, IT IS FROM SELLING YOUR EGGS. THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE NO LONGER IN A RESIDENTIAL USE. YOU'RE ENGAGED IN SOMETHING BEYOND. OKAY, I'VE GOT A COUPLE CHICKENS HERE. NEIGHBOR HAVE SOME EGGS. SO CAN WE SAY INCIDENTAL ONLY DID SAY INCIDENTAL IN THE CODE. OKAY. 'CAUSE I WOULD, I WOULD JUST DON'T, I WANT CLARITY WITH PEOPLE THAT THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, OCCASIONALLY SELL YOU BECAUSE THAT'S AGAIN, NO MORE THAN WOULD COME UP YOUR DRIVEWAY THEN A YARD SALE. YOU KNOW? SO MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT TOO, LIKE I KNOW THEY LIKE AT SCHOOL AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, PEOPLE WILL JUST BE LIKE, HEY, I'VE GOT A FEW. THEY BRING 'EM TO WORK OR THEY GO TO THE DOWNTOWN, LIKE THE DOWNTOWN MARKET OR, BUT IF YOU HAVE CARS CONSTANTLY COMING TO YOUR HOUSE AND WEAND CALL YOUR NEIGHBORS, THEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM WELL UNDER. AND THEY, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD DEAL. I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I WOULD DOUBT THAT THE, THE YIELD, IT WOULDN'T YIELD THAT KIND OF BUSINESS. BUT IF WE COULD KEEP IT AT INCIDENTAL, I WOULD PREFER THAT. JUST SO PEOPLE DON'T THINK THEY'RE BEING ILLEGAL IF THEY, AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS TOO, IS MOSTLY, I MEAN, THIS HELPS STAFF BECAUSE THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS NOT CLEAR. AND IT'S LIKE WE SAID IN THE WORK SESSION, IT'S BEEN AN ADMINISTRATIVE NIGHTMARE FOR STAFF . WE GO OUT, WE DO INSPECTIONS EACH YEAR. TYPICALLY, IF SOMEBODY'S NOT IN COMPLETE COMPLIANCE, WE GIVE THEM A TIME OR TWO. BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HIDING CHICKENS IN THEIR HOME. WHICH, AND THEN THIS ALSO CODIFIES OUR ISSUE. ARE WE LIVING, BUT THIS ALSO CODIFIES LIKE FOR ANIMAL WELFARE. SO NOW WE HAVE STANDARDS SO THAT THESE CHICKENS AREN'T LIVING UNDER A TRAMPOLINE, THAT THEY'RE IN A PROPER PROTECTED COOP. THAT IT'S CLEAN, THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING SICK. PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING SICK. LIKE THIS IS FOR THE WELFARE OF THE ANIMALS AND PEOPLE. UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED IT CODIFIED SO THAT EACH CHICKEN DOES HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE AND THEY'RE NOT JUST LIVING IN A TINY BOX OR IN A BATHTUB. THINK THAT'S GREAT. VERY NICE. GOOD JOB. THE, UH, WELL, CHICKEN HAD A BAD PRINT PICKING OUT. DO YOU, YOU RECALL THE, THE, THE STATEMENT OF THE, UH, EXTENSION AGENT, UH, THAT PASSED AWAY. HE SAID, MOST PEOPLE CAN'T MANAGE THREE CHICKENS. NOW. YOU KNOW, HOW IS THIS GONNA PROTECT THE WELFARE OF THE ANIMAL? PART OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN HERE ALSO STATE THAT LIKE IF WE SEE RODENTS ON SITE, WE CAN AUTOMATICALLY REVOKE THE PERMIT AND THEN IT BECOMES AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. UM, BUT IT, IT ALL LEADS BACK TO US PULLING THE PERMIT. I NO LONGER BEING IN COMPLIANCE. ALL RIGHT. YOU'VE LOST US. WE'VE GOT THE CONSENT. . JOSH'S FAULT. SO SERIOUS. WELL, I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE. CHICKEN AND A I'VE NOT CHICKEN. I'VE SEEN CHICKEN. CHICKEN. I'VE SEEN IT. CHICKEN AND A BREAD. PAN HAD A, HAD A DOG BITE CHICKEN. ALL I GUYS SAY IS WELCOME TO GREEN ACRES. ENJOY. WHERE'S EDDIE ARNOLD, WHEN LIKE YOU'RE MAJESTY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE CHICKEN AND [00:35:01] DUCKS IN THE BATHTUB? MR. HANEY IS MR. HANEY AROUND. OKAY, SO THAT, SORRY. THAT WOULD BE, THIS ONE WOULD ALSO BE, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING. MM-HMM . DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION THAT WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER AT THIS POINT. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN SEND IT BACK. RIGHT. IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE'D LISTEN TO PUBLIC INPUT OF ANYBODY HAS ISSUES. BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE THINGS, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE SAYING THINGS AND IT WAS EVEN IN THE PRESS THAT THE TOWN ALLOWED ROOSTERS AND YOU DID NOT PERMIT. NO, I KNEW THAT. I KNEW THAT. I COULD NOT SEEM TO, PEOPLE KEPT ARGUING. IT WAS HOW THEY WERE INTERPRETING WHERE WERE THESE PEOPLE THE LAST TIME WE WROTE THIS? IF YOU LIVED AT FIVE ACRES IN ONE FOOT, YOU, IF YOU LIVE WITHIN FIVE ACRES AND ONE FOOT OF THAT ROOSTER, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IT. AND I'M OKAY WITH IN THE MORNING. OH NO, I'M IN THE MORNING. I, I'M SOMETIMES I HEAR WORSE THINGS LIVING IN THE TUNNEL FRONT ROYAL THAT A ROOF HEAR IN THE MORNING, I HEAR THE TRAIN EIGHT OR NINE TIMES NOW. I, I HEAR WHAT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 'CAUSE I WILL SAY THAT'S ACTUALLY HOW I KNEW THAT WE DIDN'T IS 'CAUSE PEOPLE START CALLING ME BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAD A ROOSTER IN OUR AREA AND YEAH, ONE I AREA IT WAS ACTUALLY, IT WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE FURTHER. IT'S LIKE OVER IN WHAT I WOULD CALL, UM, MARLOW HEIGHTS AREA. AND I WAS LIKE, NO, THAT'S NOT ALLOWED. AND THEY WERE LIKE, I'M TELLING YOU IT'S HERE. I'M LIKE, TOWN STAFF WENT OUT SEARCHING FOR WHENEVER WE GET A CALL. MM-HMM . ALL RIGHT, WELL THAT'LL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE ARE NOW UP TO THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS. I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE I'LL NEVER EVER AGREE TO 7, 8, 9, 10 PUBLIC HEARINGS. LIKE WE DID THAT ONE NIGHT. I THOUGHT WE'D NEVER GET AT IT. . ALRIGHT, NEXT UP. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS MR. SONNET ABOUT THE ADOPTION. YOU KNOW, IT'S THE STATE LAWS. WE HAVE TO DO IT EVERY YEAR, POTENTIALLY HAVE TWO MORE PUBLIC HEARINGS HERE. SO THIS ONE, OH GOD IS AS YOU GAVE THE TERM YOU USED EARLIER, HOUSEKEEPING. WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CURRENT MOTOR VEHICLE TITLE OF VIRGINIA CODE AND A LITTLE PIECE OF THE CRIMINAL CODE PERTAINING TO DRIVING AND ALCOHOL IS IN TOWN CODE. SO THAT, UH, THE TOWN CAN, SO THAT THE TOWN CAN ENFORCE. RIGHT? SORRY. THAT MEANS THAT THE TOWN GETS THE FINE MONEY, RIGHT? IF THEY CHARGE UNDER STATE CODE, IT GOES TO THE STATE. RIGHT? RIGHT. THIS DOESN'T MATTER THAT YEAH, IT DOES. AND THIS ONE'S EFFECTIVE JULY ONE. YEAH, I KNOW. IT'S EVERY YEAR. EVERY YEAR. EVERY YEAR. WE HAVE TO DO THAT EVERY YEAR. WE SAY THAT TOO THOUGH. WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IF WE CAN'T REJECT IT? WHICH I THINK IS WHY WE SHOULD DISCUSS STARTING TO REJECT SOME OF THE STATES. SO, SO WE COULD REJECT IT. IS THAT WHAT MR. SONS GONNA SAY? COULD REJECT WHAT? HEY, THE QUESTION WAS WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO OH, WHY A PUBLIC HEARING? WELL, THEY'RE SAYING WHY DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT IF, IF WE CAN'T REALLY REJECT IT ANYWAY? OH, I CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN'T REJECT IF WE, IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO ENFORCE MOTOR VEHICLE LAWS. RIGHT? OH YEAH, RIGHT. THEN IT WOULD ALL BE STATE PROSECUTIONS INTENTION TO ORDINANCE. DO YOU HAVE TO? NO. ALRIGHT. ON TO THE NEXT. THAT'S NOW FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. ALTHOUGH I, I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF ANYBODY COMES AND SPEAKS AT THAT. OKAY, I'M SEVEN YEARS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS, SO YEAH. SO THE NEXT ONE YEP. REMOVE, SO THE NEXT ONE IS TO REMOVE CONTRACT LANGUAGE REGARDING, UH, THE OUT OF TOWN WATER AND SEWER SERVICE AGREEMENT FROM TOWN CODE. UM, WHEN THIS WAS PUT IN YEARS AGO, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I WAS AGAINST IT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MOTIVATION WAS, BUT THE CONTRACT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT, IT, IT SHOULD NOT BE CODIFIED AND, AND MADE RIGID AS FAR AS ITS TERMS, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT OUR CONTRACTS BE CODIFIED. SO STATE LAW, THE ANDY GET STATUTE, SAY, HEY, TOWN, WHATEVER YOU AGREED TO, UH, WITH THESE OUT OF TOWN USERS IS OKAY WITH US. NOW, THE, THE OTHER PART OF THAT, HOWEVER, IS THAT THE TOWN HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY REGARDING THIS PILOT FORMAT. JUST THAT THAT'S HOW CUSTOMERS WILL BE CHARGED. RIGHT? IT'LL BE IN TOWN RATE PLUS PILOT, BUT AS TO HOW THE TOWN ACTUALLY CONTRACTS FOR THAT REVENUE, THAT'S, [00:40:01] THAT'S CONTRACT. THAT, THAT SHOULD NOT BE CAUGHT OF IT. OKAY. IF NO ONE HAS ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT, THAT WILL ALSO BE A PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'RE AT THE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY, UM, COGNIZANT OF THAT AT NEXT WEEK'S WORK SESSION AS TO HOW MANY MORE POTENTIAL PUBLIC HEARINGS WE HAVE. EVEN THOUGH, LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THESE I DON'T, SOME OF THESE, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THERE BEING ANY, UM, A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT. BUT, BUT CERTAINLY THEY'RE WELCOME TO IF THEY WANT TO. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT NOTHING ELSE, RIGHT? WE'RE DONE. RIGHT. ADJOURN, . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.