* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY, WE'RE ON. [00:00:02] WE'LL CONVENE THE [Planning and Zoning Work Session on April 1, 2026.] PLANNING COMMISSION WORKING SESSION FOR WEDNESDAY, APRIL 1ST, 2026. WOULD YOU BE KIND, ANY LITTLE KIND TO CALL THE ROLL? COMMISSIONER NER. PRESENT CHAIRMAN NEIL PRESENT. COMMISSIONER FEDERICO? NOT HERE YET. UH, COMMISSIONER BROOKS HERE. VICE CHAIRMAN MARRAZZO WILL BE LATE. . THERE SHE IS. YEAH. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONER FEDERICA HERE. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE, UH, THREE, FOUR THINGS ON THE AGENDA OF TONIGHT. WE'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH, WE'LL SEE IF WE MAKE IT. THE FIRST ONE IS 26 0 0 5 6 0 0 0 5 6. SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTAL IS DEFINED IN TOWN CODE 1 7 5 DASH THREE SUBMITTED BY ROBERT MELISSA MITCHELL, AND LOCATED AT 1521 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE. IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP 2083 DASH THREE DASH SIX SIX DASH 21 8. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. AND START WITH JOHN, PLEASE. ALL PRESENTATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHOULD BE KIND OF FAMILIAR WITH THESE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMITS. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT, UH, CONDITIONS ON SPECIAL USE PERMITS. UH, SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, UH, THERE IT IS. IT'S, IT'S A, A LARGE FOUR FOUR ACRES I BELIEVE. LEMME GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS. THERE HAD HAD PLAID IN THERE. THERE'S A LITTLE RATHER LARGE PARCEL OVER THAT PART OF TOWN. YEAH. 4.25 ACRES. SO THEY'RE ON NORTH ROYAL. UH, THEY DO HAVE, UH, TWO HOUSES THERE. THE MAIN HOUSE THERE AT 1521 AND AN A DU, UH, WITH THAT LOT. UH, THERE'S THE MAIN HOUSE. THAT'S THE HOUSE THAT THEY WOULD BE USING FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL TWO STORY. UH, THERE'S THE A DU THERE IN THE REAR OF THAT, THAT IS GONNA BE THEIR SECONDARY RESIDENCE IN THE SMALLER HOMES. SO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL WOULD BE IN THE LARGER HOUSE. UH, THERE'S A VIEW FROM THE ROAD, UH, WE PUT UP A PUBLIC HEARING SIGN ON THAT, AND THERE'S THAT WITH THE, SHOWING THE ACREAGE OF A FOUR ACRES OF PROPERTY THERE IN THE BACK. UH, WE WILL SCHEDULE AN INSPECTION NEITHER MONDAY OR TUESDAY OF THIS COMING WEEK FOR THE INTERIOR INSPECTION. UH, SO THAT'LL BE, WE'LL PUT THE INSPECTION REPORT IN YOUR PACKET FOR THE FOLLOWING WEEK. SO I'M ASSUMING THEY'LL PASS INSPECTION OR NOT. THEY'LL HAVE AMPLE TIME TO MAKE CORRECTIONS IF THEY NEED TO PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING HERE IN TWO WEEKS. ANY QUESTIONS? SO WHAT'S BEING CALLED AN A DU AT THIS POINT? IT, IT'S CONFORMING WHEN THE NEW A DU, UH, RULING. OR IS THIS PRI THIS WAS PRIOR TO, UH, YEAH, WELL, YES. IT, THE LOT'S BIGGER. I MEAN, ADUS WERE ALLOWED BY THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE. BY THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE, UH, FOR 12,000 SQUARE FOOT OR LARGER. SO THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS A TOTALLY SEPARATE THING. YEP. TOTALLY SEPARATE. SO THIS WAS, UH, PERMITTED SOME TIME AGO. UM, SO THEY, THEY LIST THAT AS THE A DU AS THEIR, WHAT WE CALL THE A DU NOW AS THEIR SECONDARY RESIDENCE. AND THE MAIN HOUSE WOULD BE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL. YES. YEAH. AMPLE PARKING. UH, THERE, UH, IT IS FOR, UH, SIX BEDROOMS AND 10 PEOPLE AS LISTED ON THE APPLICATION. UM, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE. IT'S A REALLY NICE PLACE TO DE RIGHT? IT HAS, IT HAS AMPLE PARKING THERE, OFF STREET PARKING, UH, WHICH SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. YOU ANY QUESTIONS? SEE ANYBODY HAVE ANY PANEL TO OBJECT RIGHT. MEETS ALL THE REGULATIONS. ISOLATED. THAT'S A BIG LOT HERE. YEAH, IT'S A BIG, BIG LOT. I MEAN, OVER FOUR ACRES. SO AMPLE PARKING FOR BOTH THE, THERE'S SECONDARY RESIDENCE IN THE A DU AND FOR THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL LI LIMITED TO 10 PEOPLE. UH, SIX BEDROOMS. [00:05:01] IS THAT A POOL OR A TENNIS COURT? I BELIEVE THAT'S POOL IS COVERED. THAT'S COVERED. MM-HMM . YEAH. 10 PEOPLE, SIX BEDROOMS. AND THEY DIDN'T IN THEIR PACKET, THEY DID LIMIT THE NUMBER OF CARS ALSO THAT THEY WOULD PERMIT THERE. THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET. IT WOULDN'T SIX VEHICLE. YEAH. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I KNOW , I REVIEWED BUSINESS. I, I'LL WAIT A FEW MOMENTS. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE I DO. NO, I, I LOOKED AT IT BEFORE. UM, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING STRIKING THAT CAME UP. NO, IT'S JUST AN UNREMARKABLE AS FAR AS APPLICATIONS GO. ALTHOUGH VERY NICE PROPERTY. RIGHT? I DIDN'T, UH, STAFF'S NOT GONNA REC RECOMMEND ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS PLACED ON THIS PROPERTY FOR THE SUP. OKAY. OKAY. AND WE COULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE AGAIN, EVERYONE. GREAT. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE ON HERE IS 2 6 0 0 1 0 5. AN APPLICATION FOR ZONING TAX AMENDMENT TO DEFINE FIREARMS. UM, 1 7 5 DASH THREE 9.8 PERMIT FIREARMS RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS BY RIGHT IN THE C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT INTO A MIDTOWN CODE 1 7 5 0.39 B PERMIT PERMIT, FIREARMS MANUFACTURING BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT. WE WILL HAVE IT UP IN JUST A SECOND. OKAY. NO WORRIES. I, I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE WHERE TO START WITH THIS ONE. WE GO IN THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA. NO, NO, I KNOW, I KNOW. NO, WHEN I WAS LOOKING TO PREPARE FOR YEAH, WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT DUCKS. WHAT? THE FIREARMS MANUFACTURING. I, YOU KNOW, JOHN HAS EXPLAINED WHAT THEY MEAN HERE BY THAT THEY, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT SMELLING METAL OR ANYTHING. CAN I DO ON THE COMPUTER? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE PULLING UP THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM? I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T KNOW RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHY THAT'S DONE. IT MIGHT BE THE MAIL APP. LET ME FIGURE IT OUT. UH, WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT OPEN? SORRY. NO, NO, IT'S ALRIGHT. JUST LOCKED ME OUT SO I CAN'T GET IT. THANK YOU. AND IF, IF YOU PUT THAT THING UP, I HAD SENT TOO THAT JUST, JUST SENT YOU, IF THAT MADE IT OVER THERE. IF NOT, WE'LL WALK AWAY. UM, IT WOULDN'T, WELL, I, I, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PULL IT UP IN THE E EAST CONFERENCE FROM EMAIL 'CAUSE IT WON'T LET ME SAVE IT. OH. SO I SENT ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE AS WELL FOR DEFINITIONS, FIREARMS DEFINITIONS, OBJECT. I HERE TO AWARE STUFF. WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE OR ASK IF I CAN BECOME THE KEEPER OF DEFINITIONS. SURE. WE ALREADY ARE. OH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS CONTINUING OR NOT. . NO, NO. YOU'RE IT. OKAY. . ALRIGHT. YOU GOT THAT LAST SET I SENT YOU TOO? YEAH, IF I'VE ADDED IT UPDATED AND I'LL JUST ASK ABOUT A FORMAT BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I HAVE ISN'T NEEDED. IT WAS TOO CUMBERSOME AND IT'S NOT NEEDED ANYMORE. ALL RIGHT. AS WE GO, THE DEFINITION, YOU, YOU, YOU KEEP THAT AND I'VE BEEN UPDATING OUR DOCUMENT ACCORDING TO THAT AND THE TWO DOCUMENTS LINE UP. SHE, I I, FOR THAT DOCUMENT, SHE'LL SAY SHE'S MAKING SURE THERE UHHUH BE TYPING. SHE'LL SAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS ONLINE. ALRIGHT, NEXT. WHY WOULDN'T IT SAVE IF YOU EDITED IT FROM THE SHARE DRIVE? WE, THEY CREATED THAT AREA FOR US TO POST THINGS. YOU OPENED IT. DO YOU HAVE TO SAVE IT? WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME? I, I AM EAST CONFERENCE. THIS IS THE EAST CONFERENCE ROOM, SO NO, I DON'T HAVE TO SAVE IT. IT'S SIMILAR TO WORK. I'M, I'M THAT COMPUTER ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO. UM, AND EVERYONE CAN COLLABORATIVELY EDIT. WELL I FINALLY, THE ONE I OPENED, THE ONE I OPENED FROM THE SHARE DRIVE MACHINE SO I CAN GET IT WITHOUT HAVING, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING EVERYTHING ON THAT. THIS ONE, YOU WANT THE OTHER ONE? IT FINALLY WAS THE LINGERING REGISTRY FROM AN OLD JOB THAT I HAD THAT WAS PREVENTING ME FROM, FROM DOING THAT. OKAY, WELL GO, GO TO YOU JANICE. I'LL TAKE, OR YOU'RE GONNA, HOLD ON. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET INTO MY, AND THIS ONE, IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THIS ONE, BECAUSE THAT IS BROUGHT UP AN EMAIL, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO SAVE IT AS A DOCUMENT. AND THEN, UM, ALRIGHT, SO WITH THIS ONE, UM, THE APPLICANT, [00:10:02] UM, OWN A BUSINESS WHERE HE MANUFACTURES FIREARMS. HE SELLS THEM, HE FIXES 'EM, PUTS 'EM TOGETHER FROM DIFFERENT PARTS THAT PERSON DON'T UNDERSTAND. BUT, UM, OUR CODE DOES NOT PERMIT THE, UM, I GUESS THE, UH, ASSEMBLY PORTION OF IT. UM, AND SO IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, SO WHAT HE DOES WHEN HE PIECES THESE GUNS TOGETHER, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S LIKE LEGOS FOR GUNS, RIGHT? IT IS LIKE DIFFERENT PIECES, UM, THAT FALLS UNDER MANUFACTURING, WHICH WE DON'T PERMIT. SO THIS WOULD ALLOW HIM TO NOT JUST SELL THEM OR OFFER LIKE SAFETY CLASSES, BUT IT LETS HIM PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER, UM, AND THEN SELL THAT. UH, THIS IS LIKE A SMALL SCALE THING, LIKE THE ASSEMBLY PORTION. UM, I'M SORRY, AT LEAST IN OUR DEFINITION WOULD BE 35% OF THE RETAIL AREA OR LESS. THAT SHOULD COVER THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT. UM, HE HAD A HOME-BASED BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY, WHICH HE GOT A CONDITION OF USE PERMIT FOR FOR THEM. AND THEN HE'S GONNA MOVE HIS BUSINESS INTO TOWN. UM, AND THEN THE FIREARMS MANUFACTURING, THAT WOULD BE FOR SOMETHING LARGER SCALE, RIGHT? AND THAT WOULD BE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND THAT JUST TO, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THAT EXTRA LAYER OF CONTROL, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE A LARGER OPERATION. ANY QUESTION? I, I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. IT WAS JUST THE DEFINITION AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WAS TALKING ABOUT HERE ON, ON FOR JUST FOR THE FIREARMS MANUFACTURING AND WHAT I WOULD, IT, IT HAS LISTED UP THERE, UH, WHAT THE CURRENT DEFINITION IS AND MY THREE CONCERNS ARE BELOW IT. AND I HAD TO PROPOSE IF WE SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT, CAN PLEASE FEELS LEFT, LEFT ANYWAY IF WE CAN TO THIS HOUSE. ABLE TO WELL YOU'RE, THIS IS NOT, NOT STORY. THIS, THIS MOUSE. UH, YES. OKAY. THERE WE GO. THERE'S THE DEFINITION THAT I WAS PROPOSING TO, TO GO FOR THE ORIGINAL ONE ABOVE AND PROPOSING THAT. AND THOSE ARE THE REASONS I WAS PROPOSING TO CHANGE IT. AND, UH, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM, LAUREN, AND MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T PRECLUDE WHAT YOU HAD IN MIND. HE'S GOT A, WHAT'S HIS FFL? YEAH. LIKE SEVEN OR SOMETHING. LOOKED AT GUY IS UM, SO I GUESS THE A TF ALLOWS HIM TO STUMBLE ALL OF THESE BREACHES. OH, IT, IT, IT JUST, IT JUST, HE DOESN'T SOUND LIKE HE'S GONNA BE DOING THE LARGE SCALE THERE, BUT SINCE IT'S INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENT THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO, I WAS PICKING ON IS THAT REALLY LARGE SCALE AND ARE WE BEING RESTRICTIVE TO RESTRICTIVE ON THAT LIMITED DEFINITION FOR A NEW SIBLING? WELL IF HE'S, IF HE'S ASSEMBLING, WOULD THAT BE INCLUDED IN THIS DEFINITION? SO THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS DEFINITION. AND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR IT IS IF WE WERE TO HAVE SOMEONE COME IN WHO HAD A LARGER SCALE, RIGHT? UH, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS, THIS IS NOT RELATED THEN TO THIS INDIVIDUAL WHERE IT WOULD BE SMALL SCALE, BUT THE DEFINITION WAS OFFERED AS A PART OF THIS RIGHT? LOOKING FORWARD. SO THAT THAT'S, SO DO WE HAVE A DE DEFINITION OF LARGE SCALE? BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT EXPANSION. SO IF HE STARTED EXPANDING, AT WHAT POINT WOULD HE NEED TO COME BACK? AND BECAUSE IT'S A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, SO THE INTENTION IS, YOU KNOW, RETAIL COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES MM-HMM . UM, AT WHAT POINT IS HE, UM, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR MANUFACTURER, RIGHT? DEFINITELY ONCE WE GET BEYOND THE MINOR GUNSMITHING REPAIR AND CUSTOMIZATION. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING DOES THIS DEFINITION FIT THAT BILL? THE CORRECTED ONE? THAT PROPOSED DEFINITION FITS I THINK WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. YEAH, I LIKE THIS. UM, WHAT WOULD YOU, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING ACROSS, WHAT WOULD YOU QUALIFY AS MAJOR VERSUS MINOR? GUNSMITHING? MAJOR MINOR GUNSMITHING IS PRETTY MUCH FIXING MAJOR GUNSMITHING WOULD BE PRODUCING AS OPPOSED TO ASSEMBLY. OKAY. SO WOULD HE NOT BE THEN, WOULD WELL HE, WOULD THIS BUSINESS OR WHOMEVER NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO ANY MILLING? UH, OR WOULD THERE BE SOME MILLING INVOLVED? 'CAUSE THERE IS REPAIR? NO, THERE CAN BE, THERE CAN BE MILLING 'CAUSE YOU CAN DO GUNSMITHING OR, YOU KNOW, RE REOR. THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT CAN'T GO ON. RIGHT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT. I WOULD SAY THAT INTO THE MINOR CATEGORY. UM, NOW, [00:15:01] OH WAIT, NO, THIS, NEVERMIND. I ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I, OKAY. SO WHOEVER HAS CONTROL OF THE DOCUMENT, JUST CUT THAT IN. LAUREN. I THINK YOU'RE HAVE CONTROL OF THAT ONE. IF YOU CAN CUT THAT INTO IT. I CAN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. I'M BLOCKED. SO EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING UP THERE NEEDS TO GO INTO THE, JUST THAT GLASS IF THAT PROPOSED WHERE THAT FIREARM IS DEFINITION. THAT DEFINITION TO REPLACE THE EXISTING DEFINITION. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. AND I, I, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE REST OF IT. 'CAUSE THE FIREARM MANUFACTURING, THERE'S A LITTLE VAGUE, IT SAYS LARGE SCALE ASSEMBLY. SO, OKAY. THIS STANDS ON THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WE HAVE A CURRENT DEPOSITION FOR FIREARM MANUFACTURER. THIS WILL REPLACE IT IF THERE'S A CURRENT ONE IN THERE. I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ONE IN THERE. NO, NO, THERE WASN'T. NO. ALL THESE ARE PROPOSED. YEAH, THESE ARE PROPOSED. OH, OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING FOR IT AND I'M NOT NO, NO, NO. THAT, THAT ONE THAT WE PROPOSED BEFORE WAS PROPOSED AS A PART OF THE APPLICATION, NOT, YOU KNOW, PULLING OUT . SO WE COULD DIFFERENTIATE, YOU COULD DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT AND A FIREARMS MANUFACTURING. MM-HMM. UM, WE THOUGHT WE'D DO BETTER TO COVER TWO DEFINITIONS WITH ONE APPLICATION WITH THE DEFINITION DEFINITIONS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES. YEAH. UM, AND IT'LL GO IN AS FIREARMS MANUFACTURING. RIGHT. SO THERE ARE TWO DEFINITIONS. ONE EARLIER IS IN THE, UM, AGENDA, FIREARMS, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT, WHAT THAT IS. BUT FIREARMS MANUFACTURING IS GONNA BE THIS, IT'S GONNA BE THIS. OKAY. AND I, I WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THE DOCUMENT YET. THE MASTER DOCUMENT 'CAUSE WHAT, UNTIL IT GETS IN TOWN COUNCIL, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF IT. IT'S COMING, BUT I WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THE MASTER DOCUMENT YET, YET UNTIL IT'S APPROVED THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. BUT WE NEED TO KEEP TRACK OF IT CERTAINLY. SO MAKE IT, MAKE IT RED OR SOMETHING. . OKAY. DID ANY OTHER CONVERSATION ON THAT? JUST REGENERATE ONE AT 1 75, 39 UNDER C ONE. THAT'S THE DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE GOING INTO THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. MM-HMM . YOU WOULD JUST ADD FIREARMS RETAIL AS A COMMERCIAL BY RIGHT. USE. YES. AND AND THAT'S PART, AND THEN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE MANUFACTURING PART DEFINITION. AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE YEAH. WE SAW. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THAT, JUST TO BE CLEAR. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. AND WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THOSE UPDATES TOO. KEEP, UM, PUT 'EM IN YOUR END. OKAY. SO MOVE, WE'RE READY TO MOVE AROUND. NEXT ONE. THIS ONE WON'T BE QUITE AS FAST. UM, ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT CODE 1 7 5 DASH THREE TO REDEFINE URBAN AGRICULTURE AND AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS IN AMENDMENT OF THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS CONTAINED IN TOWN CODE 1 7 5 DASH ONE 10.5 TO CLARIFY BLOCK SIZES AND PERMITTED ANIMALS. IT DOWN TO THE POWERPOINT. OH, I'M SORRY. NO, NO, NO. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ME. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT NOW? URBAN AG. URBAN AG. OKAY. THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SORRY. YEP. IS THE OTHER PEN. HOLD ON. I'LL TELL YOU WHICH ONE. WOULD IT BE JUST THIS THEN? OH, WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT. BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UM, POWERPOINT THAT GOES WITH US TOO. SOMEWHERE. IS THAT THE ONE YOU SENT ME TODAY? THE LATE THIS AFTERNOON? UH, THIS AFTERNOON, YES. OKAY. SO GO TO, THERE'S A YELLOW FOLDER, MR. NEILS. AND GO TO THE POWERPOINT IN THAT. THERE WE GO. YEAH, THERE WE GO. SO LET'S, WHERE'S THE PRESENT BUTTON? OH, THERE, IT'S ALL, I ADVANCE IT WITH THE, ARE YOU? YES, NOW. OKAY. I'LL WAIT FOR MR. SAYS TODAY. SO WE GATHERED A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS ON URBAN AG. SO WE PUT TOGETHER, UH, THIS URBAN AG, UH, INFORMATION FOR YOU AS PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS. UH, WE DID MEET, UH, WE DID SEND OUT THE PACKET WITH YOU, UH, ON FRIDAY FOR THIS WORK SESSION. HOWEVER, IN THE MEANTIME, WE DID MEET WITH THE VIRGINIA EXTENSION AGENCY OR ANIMAL SCIENCE, UH, PERSON, UH, THAT REVIEWED, UH, OUR URBAN AG AMENDMENT. UH, THEY MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS. UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL GO OVER THIS EVENING TO DO THAT. AND WE HAD A COUPLE OTHER MEETINGS. UH, SO WHAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET, UH, IS NOT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET PRESENTED THIS EVENING? A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE GONNA GO MORE DETAIL WITH SOME CHANGES THAT THEY RECOMMENDED. UH, SO WE JUST WANNA SEND YOU OUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT VERSIONS [00:20:01] OF THIS. SO, UM, WE PUT TOGETHER THIS URBAN AG THING, THIS LITTLE BIT OF POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. BASICALLY, UH, WE ARE WANTING TO DO A TWO TIER SYSTEM FOR URBAN AG. UH, WE DID THE RESEARCH ON IT. WE CHECKED WITH OTHER STATES, WITH OTHER EXTENSION AGENCIES TO COME UP WITH A, A BEST FIT FOR A TOWN. THAT'S WHAT PART OF THIS PRESENTATION IS FOR. UH, AND WE CAN SEND THIS PRESENTATION TO YOU IF YOU WANNA REVIEW THAT. UH, AND IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT UPDATE BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED TWO HOURS BEFORE THIS MEETING. THAT'S GONNA HAVE A COUPLE OF CHANGES, RIGHT? SO WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING THIS AFTERNOON TO DISCUSS THIS IN MORE DETAIL TO TRY TO WORK OUT SOME KINKS. SO WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE SOME DEFINITIONS HERE. SO WE DID DO, UH, THERE'S SOME STANDARDS AND JUSTIFICATIONS WE CAME UP WITH. WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF LOT SIZES HERE IN TOWN. WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE EXTENSION AGENCY AND DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE WANTED US TO LOOK ON, UH, STOCKING DENSITY. UH, THIS HAS KIND OF BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY THE PREVIOUS URBAN AG ORDINANCE. WE HAVE. THERE WAS SOME THINGS THAT KIND OF NEEDED, INTERPRETED A LITTLE BIT THAT WE WASN'T QUITE FOR SURE HOW IT WAS WRITTEN. AND THEY WAS UP FOR DEBATE PREVIOUSLY. SO WE'RE KIND OF CLEANING THAT UP. SO WE'RE GOING TO SET THE, UH, CHICKEN COOP SIZE. WE'RE GONNA SET THE MINIMUM SIZES THAT THEY RE RECOMMEND. SO, UH, BASICALLY THE CHICKEN COOP AND CHICKEN RUNS. UH, THEY REQUIRE FOUR SQUARE FEET PER CHICKEN. UM, THERE'S ALSO, UH, WE'LL NOTE THAT ALSO THEY HAD CONCERNS WITH AVON FLU COMING, UH, WITH URBAN CHICKENS. UH, SO WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE, UH, WHERE WE'RE ASKING TO BE CHANGED, WHERE THE URBAN AG FOR CHICKENS CAN BE PERMITTED IN TOWN. UH, THAT WAS THEIR MAIN CONCERN WITH A LOT OF, UH, PLACES FOR URBAN AG. SO WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE THAT TO FOUR SQUARE FEET PER CHICKEN. UH, SO WE DID A BUNCH OF RESEARCH. THESE, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU, IF YOU WANNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHERE WE GOT THE, UH, PUBLICATIONS FROM, AND BASED ON THEIR ADVICE, UH, WITH THAT. AND I'LL DO THIS AT THE PRESENTATION, UH, WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT THESE CHICKENS AND RABBITS, UH, ON THE CARRYING CAPACITY FOR THAT LAND. AND WE DECIDED IT'D BE BEST TO DO THESE ON A TIER SYSTEM. UH, BASED ON A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT BEES HERE RECENTLY, UH, MORE THAN PROBABLY AN ORDINARY PERSON WOULD KNOW . UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE HONEYBEES YEAH. UH, THAT HAVE URBAN AG HERE IN TOWN. SO WE KINDA LOOKED AT THAT, ASKED FOR THEIR GUIDANCE. UH, THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO REACH OUT TO ANOTHER EXTENSION AGENCY TO GIVE US SOME DIRECTION ON THAT. AND ALSO FOR THE RABBITS. 'CAUSE YOU REMEMBER LAST TIME, UH, WE DID HAVE A RESIDENT COME IN ASKING ABOUT THE, UH, WHAT WE COULD DO FOR RABBITS, INCREASE THE DENSITY. AND AGAIN, WE CAN, WE'LL SEND THIS TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE, WITHIN YOUR PACKET. IF YOU WANNA REVIEW THESE PUBLICATIONS. THEY'RE OUT THERE. SO IT WASN'T LIKE WE JUST ARBITRARILY CAME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS. WE DID A GOOD BIT OF RESEARCH OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS ON THE BEEKEEPING ON RABBITS AND ON CHICKENS. UH, THERE'S SOME MORE LITERATURE THAT'LL BE BROUGHT UP FOR THE URBAN AG, UH, WHERE WE'VE LOOKED AT ON THAT. SO, AND WE'LL CHANGE, THIS WILL GO INTO A, I THINK WE INCLUDED THIS, UH, THE CHART IN HERE. IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT? NO, THE CHART'S NOT IN THERE. YEAH. CHART'S IN THE OTHER ONE. THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON TOO. SO WE'RE GOING DO ON A TWO TIER SYSTEM FOR RABBITS AND FOR CHICKEN. SAME THING. UH, AND THERE'S SOME MORE STANDARDS AND JUSTIFICATIONS FOR THAT. UM, AND WE TALKED ABOUT LARGER LIVESTOCK, UH, WHERE THOSE SHOULD BE PERMITTED IN TOWN. WHAT'S THE DRAWBACKS ALLOWING THAT? SO WHEN, BASICALLY ON THE CONCLUSION, LIVESTOCK SHOULD BE GEARED FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED AGRICULTURAL, UH, AGRICULTURAL. SO ANYTHING WITH LIVESTOCK. SO URBAN AG WOULD ONLY BE ON THOSE RESIDENTIAL ZONED LOTS WHERE CHICKENS, BEES AND RABBITS. IF YOU WANT ANYTHING OTHER THAN CHICKENS, BEES AND RABBITS, THE PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE ZONED TO AGRICULTURAL. UH, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF HEALTH CONCERNS WITH THAT. UH, SO IN SUMMARY, UM, IT ALLOWS SMALL SCALE AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES AND RESIDENTIAL LOTS UNDER 10 ACRES, WHICH WE'RE GONNA STRIKE THAT. WE'LL DO A TWO-TIERED SYSTEM, UH, FROM LESS THAN ONE ACRE AND LESS WE'LL DO A SYSTEM [00:25:01] FOR ONE ACRE TO FIVE ACRES AND ALSO FROM FIVE ACRES UP TO 10 ACRES OR FIVE ACRES AND GREATER, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY, SHOULD SAY 10 ACRES. SO WE CHANGE SOME LANGUAGE IN THAT, UH, WITH THAT. SO DID WE HAVE YOUR, UH, THE LATEST THING, CAN WE PULL THAT UP? THE LATEST CRAFT, JOAN, DID YOU SAY ONE TO FIVE AND FIVE TO GREATER THAN FIVE? YEAH. THREE HERE. ZERO TO ONE. WHAT DID YOU DO? ZERO TO ONE. WE LOOKED AT THAT LESS. HE SAID LESS THAN ONE ACRE. LESS THAN ONE ACRE WILL BE THE CURRENT, UH, SIX, SIX CHICKENS. WE'LL GO OVER THAT HERE IN A MOMENT. SO, SO CURRENTLY WE ALLOW SIX CHICKENS, RIGHT? SO THERE WAS A CUTOFF ON THE DISCREPANCY OF THE ONE ACRE. THAT'S WHERE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON THE ONE ACRES. SO CURRENTLY WE ALLOW SIX CHICKENS WITH THAT. SO THEY NEED AN URBANITE PERMIT FOR CHICKENS, BEES, AND RABBITS. THOSE LOTS LESS THAN AN ACRE. SIX CHICKENS. UH, THE OTHER ONE IS GREATER THAN ONE ACRE UP TO FIVE ACRES. THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED 12 TO GET MY NUMBERS RIGHT. AND THEN GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES, THEY WOULD GET THE NEXT TIER SYSTEM AND THEY WOULD BE CAPPED AT A MAXIMUM NUMBER. OKAY. YEAH. SO WE WAS DOING A, WE THOUGHT ABOUT, WE LOOKED AT A SLIDING SCALE, UH, BUT WHEN WE REACHED BACK OUT TO THE EXTENSION AGENCY, UM, WE, THEY SUGGESTED WE CAP IT. SO THE ONES WITH THE, UH, DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PULL UP THE, UH, WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? THE WHICH? THE YELLOW ONE. THE CHART? YEAH, THE YELLOW ONE. THE, WELL, IT, IT HAS NOT THAT, IN THAT LAST DOCUMENT THAT WAS SENT, AND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE IT RIGHT THERE, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN ON THAT, THERE'S A, A GRAPH, BUT IT, IT IS OUT OF DATE. SO WE'LL HAVE TO UPDATE IT. THIS RIGHT, BECAUSE THIS IS TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS BASICALLY THIS, FROM WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING THERE, IT'S GONE FROM TWO TO THREE TIERS. YES. IN EFFECT IS WHAT'S HAPPENED. WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD, WOULD WORK OUT. BUT THEN WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE EXTENSION AGENT THIS WEEK AND THEY SUGGESTED WE DO NOT DO THIS BASED ON SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THEY CAME UP WITH. SO THE CHART YOU HAVE THERE, WE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THAT. THE FIRST TIER WOULD BE LESS THAN, UH, I GUESS YOU WANT TO PUT IT UP ONE ACRE OR LESS. ONE AC YEAH. FOR SIX. ONE AC. YEAH. ONE ACRE OR LESS. UP TO SIX CHICKENS, BEEHIVES AND SIX RABBITS. THAT'S WHAT CURRENTLY WE HAVE IN THE SYSTEM. NOW THOSE GREATER LOTS GREATER THAN ONE ACRE IN LESS THAN FIVE ACRES, THOSE WOULD BE ALLOWED. 12. 12 RABBITS. 12 UH, 12 RABBIT WHAT? CHICKENS? 12 CHICKENS. THOSE LOTS GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES COULD GO UP TO 18. 18. AND THE BEES ARE STILL LIMITED, UH, ON THE HIVES ON THEM. THAT WHAT? UH, WELL, WE ENDED UP WITH ONLY TWO, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND, WE ENDED UP WITH JUST TWO TIERS FOR THE BEES. YOU COULD, YOU CAN HAVE THE, YOU COULD HAVE THE SIX OR YOU CAN HAVE 12 IF YOU'RE ABOVE FIVE ACRES. YES. HOLD ON. WE'RE ALSO SAYING THAT WE WOULD PERMIT A ROOSTER. YEAH. WELL NO, WE HAVE IF THEY'RE GREATER THAN FIVE, BUT, BUT IF YOU CHANGE THAT FROM ONE TO FIVE, THAT MEANS THAT ONE A FOR A LOT. NO, NO, NO. IT'S STILL, THERE'S STILL THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 10 HENS MM-HMM . IN THERE. WHICH, WHICH WOULD BE PRECLUDED ON LESS THAN AN ACRE. YEAH. IF YOU HAVE THE NOTES, IT SAYS MINIMUM ON 10 HENS PER ROOSTER. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE 10 HENS IN ORDER TO HAVE A ROOSTER. RIGHT. BUT YOU GUYS JUST SAID YOU'RE CHANGING THAT TIER TWO FROM, BECAUSE WHEN GREATER THAN ONE, GREATER THAN ONE ACRE. SO FROM ONE ACRE TO FIVE ACRES, THAT MEANS WE COULD HAVE LIKE A 1.001 ACRE LOT WITH A ROOSTER ON IT. BECAUSE THEN 12, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT. I I, I I KNOW THE INTENT IS NO ROOSTER UNLESS YOU ARE MORE THAN FIVE ACRES. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST OKAY. 10 HENS BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO STAY. NO, NO, NO, NO. THAT IS STAIN. THAT IS STAIN. IT'S JUST BY ADDING THE THING, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE 10 HENS. YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST FIVE ACRES. OKAY. BUT WHAT IS GONNA DO IS PRECLUDE YOU TO, EVEN IF ALL THE WAY UP TO, FOR URBAN AG, THE MAXIMUM YOU'LL EVER HAVE IS ONE ROOSTER. BECAUSE TO HAVE TWO ROOSTERS, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE 20 HEN. RIGHT. WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE BY THE MAXIMUM NUMBER. OKAY. WELL, OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, SO IN THIS, AND I'M NOT SURE YEAH, THIS TABLE'S OFF. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE UH, LIKE FOUR PENS, RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE EXAMPLE OF FIVE ACRES, 12 PENS, SIX WOULD BE 18, ET CETERA. IT'S BASICS PLUS SIX PER ADDITIONAL. THAT'S NOT TRUE ANYMORE. THAT PART WOULD CHANGE. WE JUST HAVE, THIS CAME OUT LAST WEEK. SO THIS IS BASED ON, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A FLAT [00:30:01] MAX AS OPPOSED TO A SCALING MAX WITHIN THAT TIER. YEAH. WHY THAT THAT IS BASED ON WHAT THEY, THE INFORMATION ONCE WE TALK TO THE EXTENSION AGENT. OKAY. AND ON THE LOTS ON THE URBAN SETTING, A LOT OF THEIR CONCERNS IS WITH THE BIRD FLU WITH THOSE, THOSE PROXIMITY. SO THEY SAID ON AN URBAN SETTING, WE SHOULD, THAT'S WHY WE, WE THOUGHT WE'D BEST THING WHEN WE DID THE RESEARCH DO A SLIDING SCALE, BUT THAT CAME BACK THAT WE SHOULD NOT DO THAT. WE NEED TO CAP IT AT THE MAXIMUM. AND THEN THEY DID NOT WANT, BASED ON THE DENSITY OF THE CHICKENS, UH, THE 10 CHICKENS FOR ONE ROOSTER, WE DID NOT WANT. SO THE MAXIMUM'S AT 18 FOR THE FLOCK, YOU COULD ONLY HAVE ONE ROOSTER WITHIN THAT 18. RIGHT. 'CAUSE THEY NEED 10 PER ROOSTER. SO YOU DON'T, WE WANT TO CAP THAT AT THE 18. CAN YOU JUST PULL A CHART UP SO WE CAN TYPE IT? YEAH. SO WE NEED TO GO, UH, UH, WE GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS AND START LOOKING AT IT AS WE GO THROUGH, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA, SO THE CHART THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU, WE HAD TO UPDATE THAT DURING THE WEEK. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN EFFECTIVE CONVERSATION IF WE DON'T JUST START. YES. RIGHT. HE WAS JUST TRYING TO GO THROUGH IT. JUST GOING THROUGH. BECAUSE THAT CHART NEEDS UPDATED. IT WAS THE CHART THAT WAS SENT OUT LAST WEEK. BECAUSE YOU'RE ABOUT GIVING ME A HEART ATTACK THINKING THAT WE'RE GONNA LET ROOSTERS ON. NO, NO, NO. A WANTING, WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. YEAH. BUT THE, THE NUMBERS CAME BACK. YEAH. IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY A LESS THAN ONE ACRE . I JUST, WE HAVE TO WALK THROUGH IT. THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE DOING, WHEN CHANGES OCCURRED UP TO TWO HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING , YOU KNOW RIGHT. WE DIDN'T GET, SOME INFORMATION CAME IN KIND OF LATE. SO THAT, AND THIS WE STARTED TO CHANGE. IT DIDN'T HAVE TIME. SO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND OF IT FIRST. MM-HMM. SO, UM, DID YOU BRING, UH, DID YOU BRING YOUR NOTES WITH THAT TOO? THE, SO UNDER THE DEFINITION, 'CAUSE WHEN I LEFT THE MEETING, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WAS LIKE FIVE ACRES WAS THE CUTOFF. SO UP TO FIVE WE HAD ONE SET OF RULES. OVER FIVE, WE HAD TIER TWO. SO NOW Y'ALL HAVE CHANGED IT FROM TO UP TO ONE ACRE. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. ONE FIVE THE REASONING BEHIND THAT. WE'VE GOT THE INFORMATION. WE ALLOW SIX CHICKENS NOW UP TO ONE ACRE. RIGHT. BUT YOU DON'T WANNA DO SIX PER ACRE AND KEEP ADDING THAT ON BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CHICKEN FARM. YEAH. YES. SO THE, WE ALLOW SIX CHICKENS NOW IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE LODGE REGARD UP TO ONE ACRE. SO WE'LL KEEP THAT THE SAME ESSENTIALLY. MM-HMM . SIX CHICKENS, WHAT PEOPLE HAVE ON THEIR THING NOW. SO WE, SO THOSE ALL WOULD BE CONFORMING RIGHT. ON THE, ON THE DENSITY NUMBERS, WHICH THEY HAVE TO RENEW THAT EVERY YEAR. IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE THE URBAN AG PERMIT EXCEPT FOR THE COOP SIZE AND THE RUN AREA WILL CHANGE. SO THAT WAY THEY WON'T BE, WE WON'T BE TELLING PEOPLE TO GET RID OF THEIR CHICKENS. RIGHT. ON THOSE LOTS LESS THAN AN ACRE. WHAT I JUST HANDED OUT IS SUGGESTIONS FROM THE EXTENSION OFFICE WHEN SHE REVIEWED THEM. SO THAT IS JUST FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT. AND THEN I GUESS INCORPORATED, IF YOU SO CHOOSE. SO THE STUFF, THE PIECE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. I'M WHAT? THE EXTENSION? THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU SAID. AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT REVIEW THE MANAGEMENT PLANS. WHEN SOMEBODY SUBMITS LIKE A CHICKEN APPLICATION OR AN URBAN AG APPLICATION, WE SEND THAT MANAGEMENT PLAN OFF TO THESE PEOPLE. LIKE THIS LADY HAS A MASTER'S FROM VIRGINIA TECH AND AMBULANCE SCIENCE. AND THEN SHE TELLS US, YES, THIS IS GOOD. NO IT'S NOT. HERE'S SOME OF THE ADJUSTMENTS THEY CAN MAKE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE GO OFF OF WHEN JOHN GOES OUT AND DOES AN INSPECTION. OKAY. SO I KNOW IN THE DEFINITION, WE WE'RE TALKING WITH GEORGE AND HIS, COME BACK, YOU'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT HE GAVE SOME OF THE INPUT. HE, HE DOESN'T WANT TO, THERE'S A URBAN AGRICULTURE, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE IN TOWN AND YOU'RE DOING URBAN AGRICULTURE, YOU ARE, DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY ACRES YOU ARE AND PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT THAT'S GOING 10 ACRES OR MORE, BUT JUST, JUST THROW THAT AT IT. YOU'RE EITHER DOING URBAN AGRICULTURE OR YOU'RE NOT. SO URBAN AGRICULTURE, THE DEFINITION WOULD SAY ACTIVITIES CONDUCTED AS AN ACCESSORY USE ON RESIDENTIAL. WE NEED TO SAY ZONED LOTS, PERIOD. OKAY. DO YOU WANT ME TO START MODIFYING THIS? WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS? OKAY. YEAH. MINE. YEP. YOU BEGIN WITH THAT. SO [00:35:01] THIS SHOULD BE, AND THEN WE ARE GONNA STRIKE LESS THAN 10 ACRES. YES. YES. OKAY. I INCLUDE . OKAY. DID YOU WANNA PUT AP AREA OR, UM, YEAH, YOU WANT TO PUT THE A, UM, AQUACULTURE, AQUA AQUACULTURE. IT'S AP, UM, WHERE IT HAS AQUACULTURE AND IN THERE. YEAH. AQUACULTURE AND LIMITED. AND THEN WE CAN GET RID OF THE LIMITED ANIMAL CHICKENS AND TIERED ACREAGE. YEAH. YEP. WELL WE UH, WE GET RID OF THESE. NO, WE'RE NOT GETTING RID OF BEES SINCE THEY'RE ALL MENTIONED IN THERE ALREADY. AGRICULTURE. WE NEED MENTION BEES. OKAY. YOU TAKE, APPARENTLY I NEED TO READ MORE. I DON'T KNOW. WHATCULTURE IS . UH, BUT DONT STRIKE ALL THAT. NO, YOU JUST NEED TO STRIKE. AND BEES ONLY THAT WOULD COME OUTTA THERE. 'CAUSE WE MENTIONED THAT ABOVE. AND THEN IT WOULD BE AND LIMITED TWO AFTER THE NEXT UP UP A SENTENCE. SO LIMITED IBLE KEEPING. SO IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO CHICKENS AND RABBITS RIGHT TO THE RIGHT AFTER A LIMITED ANIMAL. LIMITED ANIMAL KEEPING. OH, ANIMAL KEEPING LIMITED TO. OKAY. GOTCHA. NEVERMIND. HOLD ON. WELL YOU WOULD PICK OUT ANIMAL AND LIMITED TO KEEPING CHICKENS AND RABBITS LIKE THAT AND THEN PLAYED ALL THIS. NOPE. YEAH. AND THAT WOULD COME OUT. YEAH. OH, THOUGHT WELL, WELL, NO, HE, HE HAD TO REPEAT EM THERE. HE RETYPED HIMSELF SUBJECT TO TIERED ACREAGE REGULATIONS. SO THEN I THINK IT'S DONE AT THAT POINT. YEAH. DON'T NEED THE AND WELL, AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH REGULATION. OKAY. OH, OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I'M GONNA ACCEPT SOME CHANGES ON THIS THAT WE DON'T HAVE. JUST A BUNCH OF STRICKEN STUFF LIKE THIS. CAN, THIS IS GOOD. OKAY. UM, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY CHANGE TO THE NEXT, NEXT ONE WAS THERE. I I JUST HAVE A, MAYBE I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW IF I'M BEING PEDANTIC OR NOT, BUT WHEN WE SAY WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CROPS, HORTICULTURE, AQUACULTURE, AGRICULTURE, BUT THEN WE SAY AND LIMITED TO KEEPING CHICKENS AND RABBITS IN A PLAIN READING, IT SEEMS TO IMPLY TO ME THAT IT'S GONNA BE ALL OF THESE THINGS LISTED BEFORE AND LIMITED TO CHICKENS AND RABBITS. SO JUST TAKE OUT LIMITED AND KEEPING CHICKENS AND RABBITS. OKAY. AND KEEPING CHICKEN. YEAH, I JUST, IT WAS JUST CONFUSING. I WASN'T SURE. YEAH. OKAY. OH S**T. OKAY. THANK YOU. AGRICULTURE, UH, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT FARM WINERY, HOW'S IT DIFFERENT FROM THE WINE? I HAVE NO IDEA. , THAT CERTAIN DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE ANYMORE, DOES IT LAUREN? AND BASED ON WHAT WE'RE LEARNING, SINCE WE'RE NOT THIS, RIGHT. YEAH. WE DON'T, BECAUSE THAT'S INHERENT IN THE WHOLE AG DISTRICT CAN'T BE LEFT IN 10 ACRES AND THE LAST LINE CAN GO AWAY TOO. YEAH. RIGHT. WHOOPS. WRONG DIRECTIONS. . UM, ANYTHING ELSE WITH THIS? OR SHOULD WE MOVE TO THE NEXT? GOOD TO GO. GOOD TO GO. [00:40:08] THAT'S GONNA CHANGE TO THREE TIER, ALTHOUGH, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO PART OF WHAT THIS IS. WE, WE WILL GET THIS CLOSE AND THEN WE CAN CLEAN IT UP LATER ON RATHER THAN TRY OTHERWISE. WE'LL, YEAH. NEXT WEEK BEFORE, YEAH, NEXT WEEK WE GET, MAKE SURE WE GET ALL THE INTENT IN HERE. UH, CONSIDER AGRICULTURAL THAT'S REDUNDANT NOW. YEAH. AND ALL THAT. WE CAN EXCLUDE THAT WHOLE PARAGRAPH YOU TO GET A WHOLE PARAGRAPH AND GO AWAY BASED ON WHAT'S BEING CHANGED. AND THEN WE'LL JUST IGNORE THE SUMMARY TABLE. YEAH. THE TABLE. I'LL, I'LL, I'VE GOT THE MASTER FOR THAT. I'LL UPDATE IT. AND I HAVE TO ADD A TIER THREE. ALRIGHT. UM, TIER ONE'S GONNA BE CHANGED TO THAN LESS THAN ONE AC ACRE. LESS THAN ONE ACRE. OKAY. SO GO AHEAD AND NOT UPDATE THAT. GO DO SOME OF THIS. WE'RE GOING TO, THAT'S GONNA BE SIX HIVES AND SCOPE THREE ON LESS THAN AN ACRE. SIX HIVES. THAT'S WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENT HAVE. I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I MEAN, UM, Y'ALL WANNA DROP IT DOWN TO THREE? I I'M NOT SAYING THAT. YEAH, , I WAS JUST, WE, WE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. CURRENTLY WE DO ALLOW SIX TIMES NOW CURRENTLY THE EXPERT, THE EXPERT DID NOT OBJECT TO IT. RIGHT? VIRGINIA DID NOT OBJECT TO IT. WHAT EXACTLY IS A HIVE? IS IT ONE OF THOSE SQUARE WHITE BOXES? THAT'S ONE HIVE. YEAH. MM-HMM . THEY HAD MORE CONCERN WITH THE FLIGHT PATTERN OF THE BEES. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA TACKLE THAT WITH THE FENCING THAT'S REQUIRED. YOU PUT A PRIVACY FENCE, RIGHT? LIKE A BOARD ON BOARD? YEAH. BOARD ON BOARD HAS SOLID, SOLID PRIVACY FENCE AT LEAST FOUR FEET HIGH. BUT IT WAS KINDA INTERESTING BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE, YOU FORCE 'EM THE PLIGHT PATH OF THE BEE TO BE AT A HIGHER ANGLE. SO IT'S ABOVE PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS BACKEND. SO, SO IS THIS EITHER OR, OR AN WHAT? CAN SOMEBODY HAVE HYDROPONICS AND BEEHIVES AND CHICKENS AND S WITH AN URBAN AG PERMIT? YEAH, ACTUALLY YOU HAVE JUST MAKING SURE IT, YEAH. WHY ARE WE PERMITING GARDEN? A BAND BACKYARD GUYS. NO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF PERMIT AGRICULTURE THOUGH. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE NOT. WHY ARE WE REGULATING IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT LIKE, RAISED BEDS IN THEIR BACKYARD? WELL, WE'RE NOT REGULATING IT. IT'S PART OF THE DEFINITION. THEY JUST NEED, NEED. IT'S OF THE DEFINITION. THEY ONLY NEED THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ON THE CHEESE. UH, CHEESE . CHICKEN, CHICKEN, CHEESE, CHICKEN AND BEES. JUST COMBINE IT. SO CHICKEN RABBITS AND BE CHEESE FROM GOATS BY CHANCE. SIX. SIX, YES. SIX CHICKEN IS BELOW AN ACRE. YES. AND NO BOOSTERS. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, FOR THE PUBLIC AND EVERYBODY, WE'RE NOT GETTING HAVING ANYBODY DO A ZONING PERMIT FOR LIKE RAISED BEDS AND GARDENS AND NO, NO. JUST IN THE DEFINITION. THEY NEED TO, IF SOMEBODY COULD MAKE THAT POINT AT THE HEARING, UM, WELL, WE COULD MAKE IT A PUBLIC HEARING IF WE WANTED IT TO BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR AS WELL. WE COULD DO A NOTE HERE. GARDENING AND NOT SUBJECTS TO CONDITION CONDITIONS OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR OF THAT OR OF, YEAH, I MEAN IF YOU WANT, I'M FINE WITH US MAKING THAT CLEAR WHEN WE SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REDUNDANT AND IF IT CONTRADICTS US HAVING AN INCLUSIVE . THAT INCLUSIVE BOARD IS OUR LEGAL, OUR FRAMEWORK, OUR LEGAL FRAMEWORK. WHAT'S REDUNDANT? I'M SORRY. UM, I DON'T WANT IT TO, UM, I DON'T WANNA START PROHIBITING THINGS. IF THE WHOLE FRAMEWORK OF OUR ORDINANCE IS THAT IF IT'S NOT LISTED THAT SHE'S NOT COMMITTED TO. WELL, IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE SAYING NOTHING THAT SOMETHING ISN'T PERMITTED. IT'S, IT'S, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE JUST SAYING IT IS JUST THE CLARIFYING STATEMENT OF THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME GET A PERMIT FOR. OKAY. OKAY. WHAT'RE SAYING? YEAH. YEAH. JUST THE CHICKENS, RABBITS AND BEES REQUIRE THE URBAN AG PERMIT. RIGHT. AND MANAGEMENT PLAN AND APPROVAL. I JUST DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO JUST RANDOMLY GOOGLE IT. IF THEY'RE WANTING TO DO STUFF IN THEIR BACKYARD AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH MY GOD, THE TOWEL'S MAKING ME GET A PERMIT. [00:45:02] HOW IT BE WHERE THIS, BUT WE JUST PUT, JUST PUT IT IN PARENT NEXT TO IT. ACTUALLY NOT SUBJECT, NOT SUBJECT TO WHICH ARE NOT SUBJECT TO DEFINITION. SO PUT NEXT TO IT. NOT SUBJECT TO AN URBAN A PERMIT, NOT SUBJECT TO TO REGULATION. BUT THEN OUR BNC IN THE SAME BOAT AS THAT. YEAH. BNC POTENTIALLY. YEAH. IT GETS STUCK. IT GETS STUCK IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE DEFINITION WHERE URBAN AGRICULTURE IS. ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT REGULATING IT AS A PART OF THE, SO BMC WOULD BE THE SAME THING. OKAY. DO WE WANT TO TAKE A SUGGESTION OF THE GENTLEMAN WHO CAME LAST TIME AND SAY DOMESTIC ADULT DRUGS? NO, BUT THEN WHEN WE GO OUT THERE, JOHN'S GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND GO, IS THIS A BABY? IS THIS AN ADULT? MM-HMM . IF IT'S A WEEK OR TWO OFF, HOW DO WE KNOW? WELL, THE EXTENSION OFFICE HAD A, THEY THEY HAD A, THEY ADDRESS THAT WHICH WE HAD ALLOWING, THERE'S SOME, AS A PART OF THIS, THERE'S AN ALLOWANCE FOR CHICKENS TO HAVE CHICKS AND RABBITS TO HAVE BABIES FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. NOW, ENFORCEMENT WISE, THAT'S GONNA BE A PAIN IN THE NECK. BUT THEY'RE BABY RABBITS ARE GOING TO HAVE BABIES AND CHICKENS ARE GONNA HAVE CHICKEN. ALTHOUGH, SORRY, IT CAN'T BE A FREE FOR ALL EITHER. SO IT'S SOME REASONABLE LIMIT FOR A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME. AND UM, I KNOW THAT JOHN GOING OUT THERE LOOKING AT A RABBIT WOULD HAVE A HECK OF TIME SAYING 11 WEEK OLD HAVE FROM A 12. WELL THIS, THIS DOES TALK ABOUT KEEPING LOG. YES. IT INCLUDES YOU HAVE TO KEEP, THE OWNER HAS TO KEEP A LOG IF THEY ARE GOING TO BREATHE THEM. AND THAT WAS INCLUDED RABBIT. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY IF, IF THERE'S, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU INTEND TO BREATHE THEM OR NOT WHEN IT COMES TO RABBITS. YEAH. WELL IF, IF YOU ADD BABY RABBITS AND IT'S TIME TO HAVE A LOAN, , WE'LL GET TO THAT LATER. ALL. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SECTION? QUESTIONS? UH, WHERE WOULD, UM, HOING PIGEONS FALL? ONLY PIGEONS ONLY PIGEON AND THEY JUST PASSED. AREN'T YOU CONSIDERED INVASIVE SPECIES? WELL, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT SOME PRACTICE WILL, THAT'S HOW A HOBBY, I'M PRETTY SURE PIGEONS ARE CONSIDERED INVASIVE. IN VIRGINIA, WE WOULDN'T, YEAH, WE WOULD NOT PERMIT SOMEBODY TO JUST HAVE A BUNCH OF PIGEONS. UM, IF THERE HAS THEM INDOORS AS A PET, THAT'S DIFFERENT. THAT'S NOT, WOULD NOT BE. SOME PEOPLE HAVE, WELL THEY USUALLY GOT HAVE, WELL, IN WHAT I'VE SEEN IS A CAGE OUT ON A PORCH OR SOMETHING BECAUSE THE PIGEON KNOW WHERE HOME IS CURRENTLY. THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BREED PIGEONS OR BREED DOVES. RIGHT. WELL, THEY DON'T BREED 'EM. THEY JUST, OR OR HAVE THEM LIVESTOCK SEND MESSAGES BACK AND FORTH. YEAH. YES. THEY ARE CONSIDERED NON-NATIVE EVA NUISANCES, VIRGINIA, UM, THAT DISRUPT NATURAL HABITAT. THEY'RE CLASSIFIED AS NUISANCE BURDEN TO THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. UM, BECAUSE DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THAT ONE WAS PARKED? I TOOK ONE OUT TO THE BLUE RIDGE WILDLIFE AND BASE AND THEY TOLD ME THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT TO SLEEP. THEY DON'T REHABILITATE 'EM BECAUSE THEY'RE INVASIVE. BECAUSE THEY'RE INVASIVE. OKAY. YEAH. I DIDN'T MUST BE DYING. COPY ME. NO PUN INTENDED. , WE HAVE CELL PHONES NOW. . WE TEXT PEOPLE FLYING DATA CENTER. WE HAVE MANILA CARRIER PIGEONS WAS GONNA SAY CHAPTER NINE AT VIRGINIA NUISANCE. OKAY. AT LEAST ONE ACRE. AND, OH, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I AM GONNA JUST COPY PASTE THIS AGAIN. SO I'M TYPING IT. I IT TO AN EXTENT TO TO, TO MINIMIZE SOME OF YOUR DUPLICATION. WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DO THAT. WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT ALL HERE. PICK UP SOMETHING ELSE HERE. OKAY. WHAT'S THE AGRICULTURE? THESE? THAT'S THESE, I GUESS THAT IS JUST ONE SPACE. OKAY. SMALL SCALE. DID WE CHANGE THE ONE, TIER TWO? CORRECT. YES. DID WE CHANGE THE ACREAGE ON THAT? YES. YES YOU DID. OKAY. AND THEN WE CAN TAKE [00:50:01] OUT YARD MAINTENANCE, LANDSCAPING, LIKE IS THIS EVEN NECESSARY? THAT'S CURRENT, HOW THE CURRENT CODE IS WRITTEN AND WE LEFT THAT IN THERE. IF YOU THINK I, I MEAN PERSONALLY I THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY, BUT I MEAN IT'S HARMLESS. KEEPING IT IN THERE. YEAH. THAT KIND OF SAYS WHAT WE WERE SAYING BEFORE ABOUT NO PERMIT NEEDED IN THE FIRST PART. YEAH, I GUESS IT IS REDUNDANT. IT IS. UNLESS, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMEONE HAS A BURNING REASON TO KEEP IT IN. LET'S SEE. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD TRUMP OVER SOMEONE WOULD SAY IN YOUR INSPECTION WHEN SOMEONE GOES ON LANDSCAPE, UH, AND WE'RE SAYING THAT'S, NO, BASICALLY WHEN, WHEN WE MENTIONED EARLIER, LIKE YOU SAY IN THE, IN THE THREE LINES WHERE IT'S NOT REGULATED THEN, THEN WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO SAY THIS. ALTHOUGH I THINK IT'S GOOD TO SAY, WELL, I DON'T, IT DOESN'T HURT. IT DOESN'T HURT ANYTHING. WHAT ABOUT IF THE NEIGHBOR COMPLAINS THAT HE DOESN'T LIKE YOUR RAISED FENCE, THEN THE NEIGHBOR COMES TO YOU AND THEN YOU CAN CITE THIS AND SAY , THERE'S NOTHING CAN DO. YEAH. SEAN, THAT WOULDN'T LEAVING IT PRETTY CLEAR FOR A RESIDENT TO SEE IT AND SAY, OKAY, I DON'T NEED TO GO TO TOWN FOR THIS. YEAH. I THINK IT MAKES CLARITY. YEAH. YEAH. WE DID GET A FEW PHONE CALLS, PEOPLE SAYING THEY'RE DOING LAND DISTURBANCE WHEN SOMEONE'S DOING A RAISE, BAY RAISE BAND. YEAH. AND YOU'RE LIKE, NO, THEY DON'T NEED A PERMIT FOR THAT. BUT SOME PEOPLE THINK YOUR NAME WAS KAREN . WE DID GET ONCE IN A WHILE, I DO RECEIVE THOSE PHONE CALLS. WE SHOULD PROBABLY SHOULD JUST CUT TIER TWO AND PASTE IT ALL HERE TO START WITH THE TIER THREE SINCE THE THREE DOESN'T EXIST. OH BOY. YEP. . I'M JUST, NO, MEGAN, YOU'RE SO PATIENT. I'M JUST, IT'S JUST ANNOYING BECAUSE I NORMALLY, I'M AT MY OFFICE AND I'M MUCH BETTER AT TYPING IN. SO, SORRY, WE'RE HAVING TO DO THIS. OH, NO, NO, NO, NO. YOU'RE, THIS ALL CAME THE LAST, THIS LAST MINUTE. UH, TWO, THREE LOTS GREATER THAN FIVE ACRE, FIVE ACRES OR GREATER, RIGHT? MM-HMM . WE'LL HAVE TO GET, MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A TIER THREE RIGHT NOW. NO, WE DON'T. WHERE THIS IS BEING CHANGED. WE OKAY. WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WORDING IS CORRECT. 'CAUSE WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WHERE YOU SAY A MINIMUM FIVE ACRES. AT LEAST FIVE ACRES, AT LEAST FIVE E EITHER WAY, RIGHT? YEAH. AT LEAST FIVE ACRES WORTH. WE MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OF THE WORDING. MM-HMM . UM, AM I READING CORRECTLY THAT PER THIS PARAGRAPH? YEAH. THAT, THAT WE ARE GONNA BE ALLOWING SOME SLAUGHTERING NO, THAT NEEDS, THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND THE LAWYER POO-POOED IT. SO WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THAT PARAGRAPH. SO I, I WANNA TALK LOGISTICS ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. UH, BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, BLEEDING THEIR CHICKENS INTO THE GROUNDWATER RIGHT. WHEN THEY GO TO PROCESS THEM. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IS IT REASONABLE FOR US TO SAY THAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO WANTS TO KEEP RABBITS, WHEN, WHEN YOU KILL A RABBIT, LIKE YOU BREAK ITS NECK, IT'S INCREDIBLY EASY. IT'S QUICK, IT'S RELATIVELY PAINLESS, AND THEN YOU CAN JUST START PROCESSING. IS IT REASONABLE FOR US TO SAY THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO GO WALK OUTSIDE OF TOWN LIMITS, KILL HOWEVER MANY RABBITS OR CHICKEN THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL AND THEN WALK BACK INSIDE TOWN LIMITS AS OPPOSED TO JUST DOING IT IN THEIR BACKYARD WHERE IT'S A MORE EASILY CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT? I JUST TAKE IT INTO THE HOUSE. IT, IT, IT CAME FROM A RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT. YES. THAT, THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED. THAT'S, HE SAID IT WAS AGAINST, UM, UH, LET'S SEE, VIRGINIA LAW, UH, UH, VIRGINIA LAW, 3.2 DASH 5 4 0 7. YOU CANNOT SLAUGHTER ANIMALS FOR FOOD UNLESS IT COMPLIES WITH INSPECTION REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS OF STATE, STATE INSPECTION, SANITATION APPROVED FACILITIES. IT'S BASICALLY ILLEGAL, YOU KNOW, ILLEGAL TO DO IT IS WHAT HE TOLD US FOR STATE LAW. GOTCHA. FOR STATE LAW. SO, OKAY. AND SO THAT WE WAS PRETTY FIRM THAT CAN'T DO THE, I I WAS GOING THE SAME WAY YOU WERE AND, UH, SO WOULD BE, UH, SO THE STATE LAW SAYS NO SLAUGHTERING IN TOWN. NO, JUST NO SLAUGHTERING WITHOUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER CONDITIONS OF THESE PEOPLE. YOU DO THE INSPECTION IN THEIR HOUSE AND YEAH. NOW YOU CAN TAKE PEOPLE JUST SLAUGHTER IN THEIR HOUSE WITHOUT TELLING YOU, OR SLAUGHTER IN THE BACK OF THEIR PICKUP TRUCK SITTING IN AN ALLEY. [00:55:01] THIS IS A, WITHOUT GOING INTO A WHOLE BUNCH, WE KNOW REALITY VERSUS REGULATION AND SOME, SOMETIMES THINGS HAPPEN. SO I GUESS AS LONG AS WE DON'T GET A COMPLAINT FROM SOMEONE'S NAME THAT THEY'RE DISPATCHING IN, WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW. RIGHT. YEAH. BUT HE SAYS WE'RE BREAKING THE LAW IF WE HAVE THAT IN THERE. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. I MEAN, STATE TRUMPS. YEAH, STATE TRUMP. THAT'S A FREUDIAN JOKE. OH MY GOODNESS. . OH MAN. BUT THAT'S NOT, YEAH. ALRIGHT. UM, OKAY, SO THAT'S OUT. UM, I THINK, DID WE, DID WE FINISH TIER TWO? YEAH. YEAH, WE DID. THAT WAS TIER TWO. YEAH, WE DID. THAT WAS TIER TWO. I, SORRY, JUST THINK WIRELESS MOUSE CONNECTION IS NOT THE GREATEST. ALL RIGHT. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE, OKAY. SO WE'RE AT AT LEAST ONE ACRE AND LESS THAN FIVE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN THREE WE CAN JUST SKIP BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE TOUCHED ANYWAY. TIER THREE, I MEAN TIER THREE YOU'VE GOT, WELL, UM, WE HAD THAT GREATER THAN FIVE. WE HAD WHAT WE NEED TO DO ON GREATER THAN ONE, LESS THAN FIVE. THAT CHICKENS WAS DIFFERENT. WE HAD TO SAY THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS. UM, YOU COULD HAVE 12 INSTEAD OF ON TIER. WHAT IS TIER TWO NOW YOU CAN HAVE UP TO 12 CHICKENS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE DIDN'T DO. WELL WE'RE DOING THAT IN, IS THAT, BUT WE HAVE THAT NUMBER FOUR THERE. DOMESTIC CHICKENS INCLUDING ROOSTERS AS STANDARDS IN SECTION ONE. 10.5. YEAH. GET RID OF ROOSTERS NOW, NOW TIER TWO, WE, WE'VE CHANGED WHAT TIER TWO IS FROM THE ORIGINAL INTENT. SO, SO TIER TWO, NOT TIER TWO DOES ROOSTER. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE OVER FIVE ACRES TO HAVE OVER FIVE ACRES. AND THAT'S WHAT, SO TIER TWO NO LONGER HAS THAT IN NOW. 'CAUSE WE HAVE A NEW TIER THAT'S ONLY GONNA BE TIER THREE, WHICH IS GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES OR GREATER TO ALLOW ONE ROOSTER BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME YOU CAN HAVE ENOUGH CHICKEN. WELL, TIER TWO, TIER TWO THAT TIME TOO. YEAH. IF THAT TIER TWO YOU COULD DO 12 AND THEN, WELL IT'S, IT IS A COM IT'S A COMBINATION OF HAVING ENOUGH HAMS OR CHICKENS TO HAVE AND PROVIDING ISOLATION. AND THE, THAT'S WAS PART OF IT WAS IN THE CONVERSATION WITH THE EXTENSION PERSON, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THAT, THE FIVE ACRES WAS AN ADEQUATE WAY TO SUPPLY THAT ISOLATION IN ADDITION TO THE 50 FOOT SETBACK INCREASE. OKAY. OKAY. SO I THINK ABOUT THAT. BUT THEN WE DON'T, THEY DON'T WANT, THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND CHICKENS UNDER FIVE A OR ROOSTERS UNDER FIVE ACRES. CORRECT. LEN? OKAY. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S DISTURBANCE TO THE NEIGHBORS. THIS IS WHERE THEY WERE COMING INTO THE COMBINATION OF TRYING TO FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOUND TRAVEL AND LIKE, YES. OKAY. BECAUSE WE CHANGED THIS STUFF. THEY COULD HAVE 12 CHICKENS BUT NO ROOSTERS. YEAH. SINCE WE'RE HAVING THE, THE TIER THREE IN HERE, IT'S NO LONGER IN TIER TWO BECAUSE TIER TWO HAD MORE ACREAGE BEFORE. SO ROOSTERS HAVE TO GO AWAY. DOMESTIC CHICKEN. BUT THEY WILL BE IN TIER THREE, CORRECT? YES. AND THERE ARE 90 LOTS IN TOWN THAT ARE OVER, WHAT IS THIS? FIVE ACRES? UH, REALLY? YES. 90 RESIDENTIALLY ZONED BLOCKS OVER TOWN IN RIGHT AQUACULTURE. IS THAT A BIG METAL? LIKE, LIKE A WATER TROUGH? A HAVE A POND THAT, BUT THEY DO RAISE A LOT OF TIME CATFISH IN LOT OF PONDS? OR IS ANYBODY DOING THAT? HAVE MUCH? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. BUT IT COULD ALSO BE LIKE RAISING AQUATIC PLANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TOO. I IT'S NOT JUST, I WAS THINKING ABOUT FOOD JEFF. ALTHOUGH COULDN'T WASTE TOO. I GUESS RICE PATTIES COULD FIT IN THAT THING TOO IF YOU WANTED TO. DO WE GET WATER MOCCASINS HERE TWO FAR NORTH? YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET THEM HERE. I ON RIVER MEAN, RIGHT. IS SMALL AREA VIRGINIA, BUT THEY'RE RARE HERE. THE COMMON WATER SNAKE IS FAR MORE WATER SNAKE POISON US. THEY'LL BITE THOUGH. YEAH. YES. I CAN FULLY TESTIFY. . SO WITH THREE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT RIGHT UP THAT WE WANT TO BE CHANGING? WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ADD THE ROOSTER, INCLUDING BRUCE'S PER OKAY. DOMESTIC WRAP STANDARDS. OKAY. UH, WE NEED TO ON, [01:00:01] WE NEED TO SPECIFY THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS 18, BUT THAT'S PER THE STANDARDS IN THIS OTHER SECTION. OKAY. WHICH WOULD BE, I'M ASSUMING THAT CHART WHEN IT YEAH, WHEN WE GET BE ON THE PERFORMANCE STANDARD, IT WOULD BE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND WHAT IT'LL BE IN THE CHART. RIGHT? OKAY. RIGHT. OH, AND THEN THIS WILL BE GOING AWAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO GENERALLY IT'LL BE TIERS ONE, TWO, AND THREE IN THIS CASE. WOULDN'T IT JUST BE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS IF THE YEAH, IT'S STEERING REQUIREMENTS. IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE. YOU'RE RIGHT. IF WE'RE NOT, I THINK THAT THAT ZONING PERMIT, ARE YOU GOING TO CHANGE THE WORDING ON THAT? IS THAT GONNA BE THE URBAN AGRICULTURAL? YEAH. PERMIT CHANGE. THE PERMIT? NO. SO THE ZONING PERMIT CHANGE IT AN URBAN AGRICULTURAL PERMIT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO ZONING NEEDS TO CHANGE URBAN AGRICULTURE. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND WE GOT A GOOD BIT OF CHANGE HERE. DO, HOLD ON. THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WE'RE DONE. WE JUST, IT JUST BE A PERMIT SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR THE KEEPING OF WE'RE NOT DOING, WE'RE NOT DOING ANIMALS. THERE SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR WHAT THEN? IT SAYS AN URBAN AGRICULTURE PERMIT SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR THE KEEPING OF ANIMALS ASSOCIATED WITH URBAN AGRICULTURE. YEAH. WE'RE SAYING THE SAME PHRASE TWICE. JUST A PERMIT FOR GRAMMAR. YEAH, WELL JUST, WE DON'T NEED TO THE ADDITION OR CHANGE THE END OF THE SENTENCE, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT. BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S A, A PERMIT THAT REQUIRE PEOPLE ASSOCIATED. IT WON'T BE ANIMALS. 'CAUSE YOU'RE ONLY DOING CHICKENS AND RABBITS, NOT ANIMAL. YEAH. BUT IT'S NOT BEES ANIMALS. RIGHT. AND THEN WE COULD JUST, WELL WE CAN TAKE OUT ASSOCIATE , I MEAN YEAH. CHICKEN BEES AND RABBITS. YEAH. OKAY. SO THEN IT WOULD BE AN URBAN AGRICULTURE PERMIT. SHELBY. SO SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR THE KEEPING OF CHICKENS, BEES AND RABBITS. UM, OKAY. OKAY. THAT'LL MAKE MORE SENSE NOW. OKAY. CHILD INCLUDE MANAGEMENT. OKAY. UH, WAIT, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE IN THERE ADDED. THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT WE SHOULD EXPAND ON WHAT WE MEANT BY WASTE DISPOSAL. OH. SO WHEN GEORGE AND I HAD TAKEN THIS TO COUNCIL TWO YEARS AGO, WE HAD INCLUDED A PROVISION IN THERE ABOUT, UM, WASTE DISPOSAL THAT WE WANTED TO KEEP. UH, WELL THIS IS JUST GENERAL REQUIREMENTS. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THIS PARAGRAPH THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE? UM, YEAH, WELL THAT LAST SENTENCE MAY NEED A LITTLE, LEMME SEE IF ID SEVEN. THAT WOULD BE IN THE SPECIFICS THOUGH. NOT IN THE GENERAL. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE GENERAL IS COMPLETELY NEW. IF YOU HAVE PERMIT SHALL BE. YEAH, NO, THAT SHOWS UP. SHOWS UP LATER ON. RIGHT. IT'S IT SHOWS UP LATER ON. YEAH, THIS IS WRONG. THIS, THIS SHOWS UP LATER. I'M JUST, JUST MAKING SURE. YEAH. YEAH. UM, OKAY. YOU WANT TO PUT URBAN AG ZONING PERMIT AGAIN? OH. OR [01:05:01] YOU COULD JUST SAY THE PERMIT AT THIS POINT. PERMIT. YEAH. NO PERMIT. OKAY. YOU DON'T MIND THOSE. THE, UM, ONE SENTENCE BEFORE THAT TOO, IF YOU JUST PUT THAT THE, THE PERMIT. OH, YEP. IT'S CONTROL F ZONING. DELETE. ALRIGHT. UM, DO WE WANNA SAY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR THEIR, UM, APPOINTEE. DESIGNEE OR DESIGNEE? YEAH. YEAH. THE, THE AGE OF BEING ABLE TO JUST SAY HE, TO REFERENCE EVERYBODY IS GONE. YEAH. HIS OR HERS JUST, I MEAN, TECHNICALLY MORE CORRECT. YEAH. I SHOULDN'T, I SHOULDN'T COMPLAIN. I WE, IT'S THERE THOUGH. , I WOULD USE THAT A COMMONLY USED PHRASE. YEAH. ENGLISH GRAMMAR CLIMBING DO JUST, OR DESIGNATING. YEAH. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. CALL. GOOD FOR YOU. . DO WE NEED TO SAY SOMEWHERE WHO ISSUES THE PERMIT? IT DOESN'T SAY IF I HAVE TO SIGN EVERYTHING THAT GOES OUT OF THE OFFICE. OFFICE. OKAY. SO IF IT'S DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IT DEPARTMENT, THEN IT DEFAULTS. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THIS ONE ONLY KEPT IN REAR YARDS ON ONE HAND, TOTALLY GET IT RIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED A BUNCH OF BEE HUTS IN SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD. HOWEVER, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THESE LARGER LOTS, YOU KNOW, LARGER, YOU KNOW, THINGS ABOVE AN ACRE, TWO ACRES, FIVE ACRES, EVEN, WHATEVER, THE SIDE YARDS ARE PRETTY BIG. AND IF YOU'RE MEETING THE SETBACKS ANYWAY, DO WE HAVE AN ISSUE NECESSARILY WITH SIDE YARDS ON LOTS THAT ARE LARGER THAN X ACRES? DO YOU WANNA PUT A PROVISION I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH OVER AN ACRE IF YOU WANNA MOVE IT OUT OF THE REAR YARD EXCLUSIVELY. IT JUST TO ALLOW THE HOMEOWNER FLEXIBILITY. UM, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD EVER BE IN THE FRONT YARD. OKAY. THAT'S LIKE FOR ME, THE BULK OF MY PROPERTIES IN MY FRONT YARD. YEAH. THIS, THIS DISCUSSION KIND OF WENT ON. I HEARD THAT WE HAD THIS BEFORE, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHY IT WAS ORIGINALLY IN THERE AND THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A SIDE YARD. OR IF THERE'S A FENCE THAT OBSCURES THE VIEW THAT'S AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. RIGHT. AND THE SIDE YARDS ARE BEING USED FOR THE BEES OR CHICKENS OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. NO ONE CAN SEE IT, BUT IT'S A SIDE YARD, BUT THE FRONT YARD CAN ONLY BE FOUR FEET TALL A FENCE. OH. UNLESS Y'ALL CHANGE THE FENCE. IS THERE ANY RESTRICTION ON REAR FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD? NO. OKAY. BUT THAT'S NOT, YEAH, IT'S GONNA HAVE THE SAME, BUT THAT'S ALSO NOT GONNA HAVE CHICKENS RUNNING AROUND IN THE FRONT YARD. THE UM, SO WHAT WOULD WE THINK THEN? UM, ONLY CAPTAIN MIRROR YARDS OR THAT WAS JUST FOR SIMPLICITY, SAY, UM, OR INSIDE YARDS IF PROPERTY IS AT LEAST ONE ACRE. OH YEAH. BUT YOU CAN'T TELL WHERE THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY IS A PROBLEM. IT STILL COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, 50 FOOT SETBACK OR 40 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE STREET WITH ALL THE PROPERTIES BEHIND IT. MM-HMM . THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE IT COMES IN. IF THE HOUSE IS IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, THEN IT'S GREAT. BUT IF, IF IT'S IN OFF TO A CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHY THE SIMPLICITY CAME IN. WELL, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE SITUATIONS LIKE THERE'S HOUSE HERE WHERE THE MAJORITY OF HER PROPERTIES IN THE FRONT OF HER HOUSE. YEAH. AND SO IF YOU DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO USE THEIR SIDE YARDS, THEN THERE ARE GONNA BE INSTANCES WHERE YOU'RE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN NEED BE. SO THE WHOLE REASON TO DO THIS IS VISIBILITY. RIGHT? SO CAN WE JUST SAY, SHALL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR IS I THINK, I THINK OUR CURRENT CODE, DO WE ALLOW ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND USES FORWARD OF THE PRIMARY UNIT? THE PRIMARY DWELLING? WE DO NOT. SO THE COOP HAS TO BE IN THE SIDE OR REAR YARD. RIGHT. SO WE PROBABLY SHOULD TREAT THE COOP THE SAME AS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. OKAY. SO I THINK, UM, THEY SHOULD BE LOCATED IN THE SIDE AND REAR YARD. WE HAD SOME OTHER LANGUAGE ON THE, THIS IS FOR THE LOCATION OF THE COOP? UH, [01:10:01] NO, THIS IS, THIS IS STILL GENERAL. IT'S A GENERAL, THIS IS STILL GENERAL REQUIREMENT. SO IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO ANY GIVEN TYPE. IT'S JUST THIS IS SAYING FOR NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE KEEPING WITH THESE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE BY PERMIT ONLY IN THE REAR IS WHAT IT SAYS CURRENTLY. BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE, UM, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. WHICH WE HAVE SO MANY FEET SETBACK, BUT WE ARE IN, YOU ARE IN PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. WE'RE IN THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, BUT ONLY IN THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS. AND ARE, ARE THERE UH, ENCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS? YES, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE ON. CAN WE COME BACK TO THIS ONE THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE MORE SPECIFIC AND THEN IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO LOOK BACK. OKAY. UM, YEAH. STUFF MAY BE OR WE WON'T FORGET. ALRIGHT. VIOL CODE NUISANCE VIOLATIONS EXPANDS. YEAH. I THINK, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GEORGE AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO IS THAT LIKE IF WE SEE RATS OR RODENTS THERE, WE CAN REVOKE IT IMMEDIATELY. MM-HMM . SOME OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAD THAT WHEN WE WERE RESEARCHING IT. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD POTENTIALLY KEEP IN THERE. 'CAUSE THOSE POSE PUBLIC HEALTH THREATS SPREAD DISEASE. SO YOU WANT TO PUT, YOU WANNA PUT VERMIN INFESTATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEP. AND I'M TRYING TO FIND WHAT IF WE JUST PUT SIGNS OF VERMIN AT THE STATION. YEAH, YEAH. SIGNS OF VERMIN, BECAUSE WE DID LOTS ONE AND LIKE THERE WAS JUST WRAP DROPPINGS EVERYWHERE. YEAH. YOU JUST KNEW IT WAS AND THAT MAKES IT, I LIKE THAT. THAT'S ALL INCLUSIVE. UM, AND NOW WE GET INTO MORE OF THE SPECIFICS OF EACH OF THESE TIERS, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL STILL SUCH A RECENT CHANGE. I'M JUST GONNA ENTER WHAT I'M TOLD AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. APOLOGIZE, ALL THIS CAME TOGETHER SO FAST, SO LATE. THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENS TIMES. YEAH. WE, AND THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THIS MONTH SO WE CAN GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS US TO HOPEFULLY NOT PING PONG IT BACK AND FORTH WITH COUNCIL TOO MUCH. I'M LIKE, I'M HOPING THE PUBLIC COMES OUT FOR YOUR PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL JUST CANCEL. SO, UM, ONE FEMALE CHICKENS CURRENT CODE TALKS ABOUT NON CROWING CAN DO. WE NEED TO KEEP THAT LANGUAGE. ARE THERE SUCH THINGS AS CROWING CANS? I MEAN, THEY MAKE NOISES WHEN THEY LAY THEIR EGGS. THEY'RE LOUD, BUT YEAH. IT'S A POSSIBILITY. SERIOUSLY. THEY ALSO LAY EGGS AT THE CROW. WHEN THEY LAY, THEY MAKE A VERY LOUD, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'VE LAID THEIR EGGS, THEY ANNOUNCE IT TO THE WORLD. AND CERTAIN, CERTAIN ANDRES OF CHICKENS. I HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT KINDS AND THEY ALL MADE THAT, LIKE, I LAID AN EGG NOISE JUST A VERY LOUD, I NOT ROOSTERS FROM MANY CHICKENS. HAVE YOU EVER HAD COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS SAYING COPS THEIR CHICKENS? ARE I YEAH, THE NUMBERS CORRECT. I THINK ROO, I THINK FEMALE, NOT FEMALE CHICKENS. WHETHER THEY GO, WE'RE ALLOWING HANDS, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. FEMALE CHICKENS. OKAY. SO WE GET RID OF THEY A QUICK COUPLE OF NOISES AND THEN THEY'RE DONE. I HAVE, I HAVE CHICKENS RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE. MY NEIGHBOR BEHIND ME HAS ON AND, AND, UM, THEY DO MAKE A SOUND THAT YOU WOULD THINK MAYBE A ROOSTER WAS OVER THERE, BUT IT STOPS REAL QUICK. IT'S, IT'S TWO, IT'S TWO TONES. IT GOES UP AND IT COMES. YEAH. I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT. THEY GET LOUD TOO IF A PREDATOR'S IN NEAR, BECAUSE I, I, I LIVE ON 10 ACRES IN LINDEN. MY NEIGHBORS HAVE CHICKENS AND THEY ARE LOUD. I HEAR THEM ALL DAY. WOW. BECAUSE WE HAVE FOX THAT RUN BACK AND FORTH. UH, WHEN THE CHICKENS ARE LAYING EGGS, THEY GO CRAZY. YEAH. UM, BUT YEAH, THEY, THEY'RE LOUD. YOU MAKE NOISES. YEAH. HERE IS, UH, ON THE SETBACKS. MM-HMM . I'LL GIVE YOU THIS LANGUAGE. OKAY. PRINTED LANGUAGE. OH, ALL OF THIS. SORRY. THIS WHOLE OH MY GOSH. SO ON THE SETBACKS. OKAY, SO WE PROBABLY NEED THIS, THIS, THIS DOES THE COOP AND ALSO DOES THE SETBACKS. SO, SO RIGHT. 10 FEET. YEP. AND [01:15:01] 20 FEET FROM STREAMS. AH, THIS PART. SO THIS PART HERE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ADDED. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU NEED? I'M GONNA GO STAND OVER THERE BECAUSE HAVING THIS ON MY LAP IS JUST NOT OKAY RIGHT NOW. . UM, OKAY. OH YEAH, NO, NO, THAT'S COMPLETELY FINE. I JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO TYPE. WELL, SO, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE MAY ADD SOME MORE OTHER STUFF. UH OH, SHE'S TYPING. CAN I ASK REALLY QUICKLY? YEAH. UM, SO I NEVER HAVE SEEN THE, OUR, OUR PLANNING COMMISSION SITE ON SHAREPOINT BECAUSE I WAS ONLY LOOKING ON MY LAPTOP AND MY LAPTOP ARCHIVE STUFF AFTER. AND THIS CAME, THIS CAME WHEN I WAS IN MICHIGAN. UM, AND THEN WE DON'T NEED THE, THE CLEAN PORTION WOULD BE LATER BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A CONTRACT. RIGHT. WE COULD PUT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROBABLY PUT THAT IN, UH, SET BACK. YEAH. A, B AND CS ON SET BACK THE DOCUMENT AND THE COMPUTER. OH. SO WE PROBABLY SECTION RIGHT NOW ON, SO THE TIER ONE STANDARD, JUST LIKE THIS, NOT USE THE SETBACKS AND THEN IT MOVES ON. UM, THEY'RE DOING THAT ON. OKAY. WELL LET ME LOOK TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE. DOES SOME SAY CONFIGURED? UM, SO WE, HOW DEPARTMENTS ARE SEPARATE. OKAY. SO WE WOULD HAVE THIS SAME HOUSING REQUIREMENTS, SO WE CAN CIRCLE BACK WHEN WE GET TO THAT. BUT I CAN PUT THAT ALL IN. UM, WHAT, WHAT IS CONFIGURED DOCUMENTS? IT, IT, WHAT THAT IS THE MAP. ALL THE WORK WE'VE DONE. WE'RE IN TIER ONE. THIS IS ALL SETBACKS EXCEPTION OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW. SO YEAH, TIER ONE, ALL THE DEFINITIONS. SIX ACROSS THE, ALL THE CODE THAT'S BEEN ACCEPTED. THEY MUST BE 10 FEET SETBACKS AND HAVE IN THIS DOCUMENT WHEN IT WAS ACCEPTED, PROBABLY. NO, THIS IS, THIS IS WORKING TO THE CLEAN COPY. THERE'S SECTION LATER THAT SAYING FOR CHICKENS. AND BECAUSE THEY'RE ACROSS THE BOARD THAT THE TIER, I THINK BY THAT KEPT THE DEFINITION A DOCUMENT ACCEPTED BY TOWN COUNCIL. YEAH. THREE. THAT WAS OFF OF THEIR NOTES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS. THAT WAS OFF OF WELL, WE DON'T HAVE SIMILAR NOTES HERE. WHEN TOWN COUNCIL OR WHEN IT'S BEEN APPROVED, THAT SECTION. UM, WILL I NEED TO COPY THIS? I DEFINITION SECOND BOARD? UH, I AM FULLY BOOKED TOMORROW. NO. OKAY. I JUST WANNA FIND EVERYBODY. WE ARE TELEVIS MONDAYS ARE KIND OF CRAZY, BUT ABOUT TUESDAY, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HAVING CONNIE. YEAH, I'M DOING TECHNOLOGICAL STUFF. I KNOW, BUT YEAH, I'LL BE BACK HERE. ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA TAKE CONVERSATION ALL, UH, COPY. HOW ABOUT AROUND 10:00 AM YOU WANNA PAUSE THE MEETING? OKAY. UH, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PAUSE THIS FOR NOW. WE, WE A LITTLE ADMINISTRATIVE NOTE? YEP, I CAN DO THAT. I MOVE, WE PAUSE THE MEETING. YEP. SECOND. YEP. SET UP FOR 10 MINUTES. THANK YOU. COME BACK. WE'LL COME BACK. SO LET'S JUST COME BACK IN 10 MINUTES. OKAY. DO WE WANNA YEAH. EVERYONE READY? YEP. OKAY. WAS THE ONE OKAY, WE'RE ROLLING. ALMOST GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE, LET'S SEE. WE'RE UP TO STARTING TIER THREE. WHERE IS THIS? TIER TWO? UM, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE NUMBERS APPARENTLY. YEAH. TIER TWO IS NOW 12. ALL RIGHT. AND WE CAN TAKE UP BASE BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER A SLIDING SCALE. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S, WE'RE NO LONGER MULTIPLE. SO. RIGHT. SO ACTUALLY IN THAT CASE, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS COPY THIS. YOU GUYS ARE JUST DOING FLAT CAPS RIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD? YES. AND SO THEN ALL OF THIS, I TAKE IT FROM THERE. [01:20:04] OKAY. SO, UM, SO WHAT'S THE NUMBER? IT'S 12. UM, AND IT'S STILL SIX BEEHIVES ON LESS THAN FIVE ACRES THAT, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. UM, AND THEN WE'RE ONLY, IT'S STILL NO ROOSTERS, CORRECT? CORRECT. STILL NO ROOSTERS. OKAY. AND THEN SIX, IT'LL BE, UM, IT'LL BE 12 RABBITS AS WELL AS WE HAVE A BUNCH OF STUFF. THEN SETBACKS, UM, I'M SORRY, WE'RE ON TIER THREE, RIGHT? THIS IS TWO. THIS IS TWO, YES. OKAY, THEN 12 REPS. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. UM, IS THE, IS IT STILL 50 THEN OR IS IT 10? IT SHOULD BE 10. IT, NO, IT WAS 10 WHEN WE GOT THE FIVE ACRES BECAUSE WE, WE, IT IS 10 IN THIS CASE. 'CAUSE NOW WE DON'T HAVE ROOSTERS. THE 50 P WAS PUT IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE ROOSTERS. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN WE ADDED PER THE OTHER CODE, 20 FEET FROM WATER ESSENTIALLY. UM, OKAY. AND NOW WE ARE ON THREE. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS ONCE AGAIN, TAKE ALL OF THIS, DELETE IT. NOW WE CAN HAVE UP TO 18 CHICKENS. 18 FEMALE CHICKEN AND ONE ROOSTER. IS IT PLUS ONE ROOSTER? OR INCLUDING ONE PLUS ONE ROOSTER? INCLUDING ONE ROOSTER? INCLUDING ONE. INCLUDING ONE INCLUDING, OR PLUS INCLUDING FIVE. THEN WE DON'T WANT 18 FEMALE CHICKEN TO INCLUDE ONE STER. SO I ABOUT JUST 18 CHICKENS. . . ALRIGHT. UH, HOW MANY HIVES? 12. UH, THE BEE HIVES GO UP TO 12. YES. AND THEN SIX OR 12, IT'LL BE 18 CHICKENS. 18 RABBIT. EXCUSE ME. OKAY. UM, UM, 50 FEET WAS FOR THE ROOSTER. MM-HMM. UM, WOULD WE WANT TO THEN SPECIFY, UM, MUST BE BECAUSE THIS, WELL IF THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE ROOSTER, THEN IT SHOULD BE SEPARATED FROM HUTCHINS AND HIVES. HUTCHINS AND HIVES CAN BE KEPT 10 FEET COOPS MUST BE KEPT 50 FEET. IF YOU WERE KEEPING A ROOSTER, THAT WOULD BE MORE CORRECT? YEP. YEP. JUST THE EYES WOULD BE A GOOD SONG. THEME SONG. THE PLAYING TOUCHES HIGH. SO EITHER IF A ROOSTER IS KEPT ON PREMISE, ON SITE, HOW DO I WANNA SAY THAT THE ROOSTER IS PRESENT? . JUST IF A, IF A ROOSTER IS PRESENT, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS CAME FROM THE, THE PERCENTAGES WERE 40, 40 TO 60% OF PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THIS NEXT TO ROOSTERS, NEXT TO THEM. RIGHT. SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, IN ORDER TO MAKE IT, UM, PALATABLE, YOU HAVE TO INCREASE THE SETBACKS. I'M SORRY, WE CAN SIMPLIFY THIS [01:25:20] NOW FOR C. SHOULD A HUTCH BE INCLUDED IN THERE TOO? I'M NOT SURE WHAT EXACTLY THEY LOOK LIKE OR WHAT, UH, IF THEY'RE CONCERN ABOUT RUNOFFS OR NOT. I DUNNO WHO YOU INCLUDE THEM AS FROM YEAH. OH, FOR WASTE PRODUCT. YEAH. YEAH. IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED. WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE WENT BACK. YES. FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR THE RABBIT HABITAT. WOULDN'T YOU JUST SAY HABITAT? I MEAN, BEES DON'T HAVE RISE. OH, THAT'S TRUE. THEY'VE GOT A, YEAH. WHAT'D YOU SAY? HABITAT? YEAH, LIKE HABITAT FOR YOUR, THEY'RE HABITAT. YOU'RE KEEPING THEY'RE HABITAT. THEY'RE HABITAT. THEY'RE HOME. NO HABITATS IN IN ARE IN THE WILD. RIGHT. HABITAT IMPLIES YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP 'EM STAY ALIVE. YEAH, THESE . YEAH. I'M SORRY YOU DON'T INSTEAD OF TWO, YOU DON'T KEEP RABBITS AND CHICKENS IN A HABITAT. THAT'S THE REPTILES IN A HABITAT. IT'S A BRAND NAME FOR A HAMSTER, RIGHT? MM-HMM . I KNOW TOO, BUT HAMSTER, HE THREW ME FOR A CURVE BALL. OKAY. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, JOHN. I KNOW. ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE CUBES AND HUNCHES, 20 FEET FROM WATER ESSENTIALLY SETBACKS. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE GENERAL TIERED STANDARDS? OH, ARE WE BACK IN GENERAL? WE'VE BEEN IN GENERAL THE WHOLE TIME. OKAY. AND NOW WE'RE MOVING THE SPECIFICS OF CHICKEN AND RABBIT HOUSING REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD, UM, STANDARDS FOR WAS THE ACTUAL CHICKEN AND RABBIT HU REQUIREMENT. UM, NO POULTRY. I JUST HOW ABOUT NEITHER SHALL BE PERMITTED TO RUN AT LARGE. YEAH, NEITHER SHALL RY. OH, NEITHER SHALL BE PERMITTED. OKAY. YEAH. UM, NUMBER TWO, UH, MY PARENTS RABBIT LIVES IN CHICKEN COOP WITH THE CHICKEN CITIES PERFECTLY. HE HAS HIS AREA. WELL IF YOU GO AFFAIRS, YOU RUN ACROSS THE, THE STANDARD, THE VERY STANDARD USDA AND SO ON. THEY, THEY, THEY SPECIFY BECAUSE EVEN THE WIRE, UM, CHICKEN WIRE CAN HURT A RABBIT BECAUSE OF THE LARGER HOLES IN BOTH. SO SEPARATED AND THESE STANDS 18, THIS IS STRAIGHT, THIS IS THE, YEAH, THE 18 INCHES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS THERE. THE FOUR SQUARE FEET, THE FLOOR AREA. THERE'S SOME, THE IN HERE, CHICKEN AND RABBIT. LEMME GET THIS. THE FOUR SQUARE FEET CHICKEN, EIGHT SQUARE FEET PER RABBIT. THERE WAS A, UM, A CAVEAT IN THERE. THE SMALLER CHICKEN, THE SMALL, THE PAN CHICKEN. BUT I'M FINE WITH HAVING THE FOUR BECAUSE THEN JOHN HAS, OR DANIEL OR WHOEVER HAS TO IDENTIFY. OKAY, THIS IS SO YOU DON'T WANT, OKAY. YEAH, THAT WAS IT. TO EXCEED THE STANDARDS NOT GOING TO HURT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE CHICKEN FLASHCARDS. RIGHT? SO NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS ALL THE CHICKEN SPECIES. THAT WAS PART OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE, THE EXTENSION, THE SPAN HENS SMALLER AREAS THAN A REGULAR CHICKEN. BUT, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HURT TO BE IN A LARGER WAY. COMPLICATES THE STANDARD. SO THAT'S FINE. LOOK KIND OF CRAZY. YEAH. FOUR SQUARE FEET CHICKEN AND MINIMUM IT'S GONNA BE FOUR SQUARE FEET'S. CHANGE THAT FOR THE, UM, HU LET ME, LET ME THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A SECOND. COS A MINIMUM OF FOUR. OH NO, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. UH, FIVE. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA PUT RABBITS IN THE CHICKEN RUNS. CHICKENS MUST PROVIDE EIGHT SQUARE FEET PER CHICKEN AND 25 NO EACH. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A COUP, YOU HAVE A CHICKEN COUP AND A RUN. THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE, THE RABBIT HUTCH AND A RUN. OH. UM, OKAY. SO CHICKEN RUNS MUST PROVIDE EIGHT SQUARE FOOT PER CHICKEN AND 24 FOOT. DIDN'T WE ALREADY SAY THAT? CHICKEN ? NO, IT WOULDN'T BE. THE RABBIT HAS TO HAVE 24 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. SO FOUR IS THE COOPER HUTCH INTERIOR SPACE. YEAH. FIVE IS THE RUN AREA. [01:30:01] IS IT FIVE OR EIGHT? EIGHT NUMBER, NUMBER FIVE. NUMBER FIVE. NUMBER FIVE. NUMBER FIVE IS, IS THE RUN DESCRIBING RUNNING AREA. LIKE YEAH. RIGHT. PLAY SPACE. AND THEN FOUR IS THEIR SLEEPING HOUSING SPACE. NOW, UM, THE, IN THE, THERE WAS A MINIMUM WHERE THEY SAID IN THERE WHERE THEY SAID WE COULD GO DOWN TO FOUR OF, OF IT COULD BE FOUR AND FOUR FOR THE RABBIT. YEAH, FOR THE FOUR. FOR THE CHICKEN RABBIT. BUT, BUT THAT DOESN'T, BUT THAT WAS ONE THING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER STANDARDS, EIGHT WAS MORE COMMON. YES. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S BETTER TO HAVE MORE THAN WHAT THEY NEED. YEAH. AND AND THE, WHEN THEY CAME AND THEY TALKED, THEY WERE PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH IT BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING YOU COULD GO SMALL, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT WAS, IT WAS A BAD IDEA. I MEAN, WOULD IT BE BETTER FOR US TO LEAVE THIS DETERMINATION OF GOING MORE UP TO THE HOMEOWNER? I MEAN, IF WE CAN GO LESS AND IT'S NOT GONNA HARM THEM, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, GIVING THEM A BAD LIFE, THEN IS THERE A HARM WITH HAVING IT BE LESS? AND THEN IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO MORE, THEY CAN DO MORE, MAKE IT MORE . IT'S, IT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU START LOOKING THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, USDA, ALL THESE NOT SDA, BUT IT, VARIOUS SPECS, YOU GET NUMBERS ALL OVER THE PLACE LIKE THAT. I JUST SAID EIGHT IS EIGHT IS MORE COMMON ON THE RABBIT THING. UH, GENERALLY IT'S BASED ON HER WEIGHT. RIGHT. SO THE BIGGER THE RABBIT, THE MORE SO WE WAS TRYING TO SIMPLIFY MM-HMM . THE RABBIT CAN BE THREE POUNDS OR 25 POUNDS. RIGHT. BUT IT NEEDS, WE JUST GO FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL AVERAGE IS OF THE TYPE OF RABBIT. YOUR TYPICAL MEAT RABBIT IS LIKE A THREE TO OR FIVE POUND RABBIT. RIGHT? I HAVE NO IDEA. THAT BE BIG. SO ONES YOU GET AT ROYAL KING, THEY'RE MEAT RABBIT. UM, I MEAN 24 SQUARE FEET IS FOUR BY SIX AREAS. LIKE, LIKE A PIECE OF GLASS. YEAH. THESE THAT'S A LOT WE'RE SAYING PER RABBIT. YEAH. THAT'S A LOT. A LOT PER RABBIT. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE A BARRIER. ARE YOU TRYING TO ENCOURAGE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO CONNECT ? I WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DO THAT. IF THEY HAVE I I APPROPRIATE SPACE, I HAVE TO GO ALONG. EITHER NUMBER WORKS BECAUSE IT IS A MINIMUM STANDARD. SO IF THE GROUP GO FOUR, WHAT IS THE DEFAULT? WHAT IS THE AG EXTENSION AGENT? DID SHE OFFER ANY COMMENTS AS YEAH, THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID. FOUR. GO WITH HERS. THAT GO WITH HERS. THEY WANT TO PROVIDE MORE. I MEAN THEY'RE ALREADY KILLING 'EM AT THREE MONTHS. AND ALSO REAL, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THESE, EVEN IF WE BRING IT DOWN, I MEAN THE TYPICAL MEAT YOU GET AT THE STORE, THIS IS HAVING A WAY BETTER WAY. YEAH. SO THAT YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THEN. YEAH. FOUR PER CHICKEN. AND THEN WHAT IS IT PER RABBIT FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OR FOR THERE IT'S GONNA BE TWO, UM, EIGHT ALLOWANCE. SO CHICKEN AROUND EIGHT SQUARE FEET PER CHICKEN AND WELL, FOUR BY FOUR WOULD BE 20. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. I GUESS THAT IS STILL RIGHT. NO, THAT'S STILL, NO, FOUR BY FOUR IS 16. 16. THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, BE 16. OKAY. THIS IS ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT OTHER SECTION. UM, WHICH ONE ARE YOU UNDER? WE'RE UNDER, UH, CHICKEN AND RABBIT. I SEVEN. YEAH. UH, THIS IS SEVEN. THIS IS D UH, I'M AT D SIX TECHNICALLY, BUT PROBABLY A SEVEN. LET'S UNDER NUMBER SEVEN. OKAY. GUESS YOU'D JUST PROBABLY BE CHECKING AND RABBIT WASTE. SO ALL OF THESE DECEPTION OR LITERAL WASTE, SO MM-HMM . OH, GOT IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'LL JUST ADD IT TO THIS PARAGRAPH. WE'LL SEE HOW IT PLUG. MAYBE SOME, [01:35:09] IS THIS THE SENTENCE THAT CAME OUT OF WHAT THE LAST THING I SENT? YEAH. YEAH. THAT WAS PART OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO PUT SOMETHING THERE. HOW, HOW YOU WOULD YES. THAT'S THAT YELLOW THING THAT SHE HIGHLIGHTED. YEAH. AND THAT WAS RESPONSE TO THAT YELLOW THING. YES. AND THEN HERE'S THE LINE THAT GEORGE HAD IN LAST TIME AND MAYBE WE JUST UPDATED LINE, IS THAT THE PRESENCE OF RA IN AN AREA USED . SO THE AGREEMENT, EVIDENCE, MAINTAIN VIOLATION. OH YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S ALREADY, BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE, RIGHT? OH, IT'S OKAY. I THOUGHT THERE TRANSFER. WE'RE MERGING THREE DIFFERENT SECTIONS TOGETHER. THREE DIFFERENT VERSIONS TOGETHER AS WELL AS THE VERBAL. SO THIS IS REAL TIME EDITING. OH, SORRY. I JUST WANNA SEE WHAT ELSE YOU GOT THAT TYPED. I JUST ADDED AND RABBIT ANYTIME. YEAH, I SEEN THAT AS YOU WAS GOING. YES. THANK YOU. UM, WHAT IS THE MEAT TERM FOR RABBIT? IS IT JUST RABBIT? IS THERE A RABBIT LITTER SURFACE? I DON'T KNOW. IT PROBABLY, PROBABLY, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PROBABLY SAFE TO DO IT THOUGH. IT COULD BE ANIMAL LABEL, BUT WHO, WHO CARES? YEAH. BUT THAT, THAT, THAT COVERS IT ALL. ALRIGHT, I WAS HAPPY THAT PARAGRAPH FORESIGHT AND THEN WE HAVE THE TEMPORARY EXCEEDING CLAUSE. UM, DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE OR? I THINK IT DOES. AND WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, THE HEADACHE FOR STAFF, UM, WHICH ONLY RESPECT, UM, I WOULD THINK THAT IT COULD BE SOMETHING WHERE, UH, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO KNOW IS THIS RABBIT 10 WEEKS OR 12 WEEKS. RIGHT? BUT SAYING, OKAY, YOU ARE IN EXCESS. WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND CHECK AGAIN AT THIS MARK. AND IF THEY'RE STILL HERE, THEN YOU'RE IN TROUBLE BECAUSE YOU CAN TELL ON AN INSPECTION. IF YOU HAVE SUSPICION OF THAT, WOULD YOU, DO WE NEED TO WRITE THAT OR COULD YOU JUST DO THAT? YOU, WE YOU DON'T TYPICALLY JUST GO BACK, RIGHT? YOU GO UP REINSPECTION OF, TYPICALLY IT WOULD BE IF THEY'RE KEEPING THE LOG, I'M SUPPOSED TO, YOU'D BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE LOG AND IT TELLS YOU THESE WRAP, THESE BABY BUNNIES ARE 10 WEEKS OLD OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. AND, AND THEN YOU COULD SAY, WELL, IF THEY HAVE TO BE, I FORGOT, WAS IT 12 OR 14? 12. 12 AND 12 WEEKS LATER ON, YOU COULD SCHEDULE TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS TO SEE IF THEY'RE GONE. IF THERE WAS THEY'RE JUST IN THE HOUSE. PARDON? SEE IN THE HOUSE. , HE'S BEEN ASKED BEFORE. WHAT ABOUT THE ONES IN THE HOUSE? YEAH. ALL YOU CAN DO IS WHAT YOU, ALL YOU CAN DO IS WHAT, WHAT YOU CAN DO. YEAH. AND THE RABBIT, HAVE YOU SEEN THE RABBIT LOGS BEFORE? THEY KEEP LOGS AT NO, THIS IS NEW. THIS RABBIT LOG. THIS LOG IS NEW. IT IS IN RESPONSE TO, OR THE, UH, WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE FOUR BABIES THAT LOOK IDENTICAL AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER LITTER OF BABIES? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE A NO, IT DO YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THEY WEEKS THEY LOOK THE SAME. I I KNOW CLEARLY THEY CAN EXCEED THE NUMBER AND EVERYTHING. THAT'S WHERE IT, IT'S A, THIS IS WHERE THE NIGHTMARE COMES IN. AND SO THIS IS A WAY OF SETTING THE BOUNDARY, BUT PEOPLE CAN BREAK, BREAK [01:40:01] RULES AND DON'T GET CLEVER. AND, BUT JOHN HAD GO OUT AND INSPECT. HE LOOKED AT THE LOG. DOES THE LOG MATCH THE NUMBER OF RABBITS AND EVERYTHING? IF HE HAS NO SUSPICIONS, THEN THAT WOULD BE DONE. BUT THE ALTERNATIVE IS JUST TO LEAVE IT AT, AT THE FIXED NUMBER OF RABBITS AND SAY THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BREED. AND THAT'S NOT REALISTIC EITHER. IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF VIOLATION OF SPECIAL USE PERMITS, RIGHT. SPECIAL. IT COULD BE REVOKED. THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE LOG IS IF THEY'RE INSPECTED WITH A LOG AND THEY REPORT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF RAVAGE, THEN YOU'VE GOT A BARK IN THE SAND. IF THEY GO ABOVE THAT BEYOND THE TIME THEY HAVE TWO MORE WEEKS TO GO AND YOU COME BACK TO STILL THERE, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION KEEPING THOUGH KEEPING, NOT KEEPING LOGS ALIVE. MANY GONNA, YOU DON'T KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES WITH THESE BABY RABBITS. THE ALTERNATIVE IS, SAY RABBITS CAN'T BREED OR YOU CAN'T HAVE RABBITS. YOU CAN'T HAVE RABBITS. YOU HAVE TO DO TO YOUR RABBIT LIMIT TO THE NUMBER. PARDON? OR YOU JUST LIMIT IT TO THE NUMBER. LIMIT TO THE NUMBER. WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY SAYING WHAT RABBITS CAN'T BE RABBITS. YEAH. WELL IF YOU HAVE OVER FIVE ACRES, YOU COULD HAVE 18 RABBITS. YEAH. SO YOU HAVE WHATEVER, THREE ADULT OR FOUR ADULT FEMALES AND ONE MALE, AND THEN RABBITS. DO WHAT? RABBITS. DO YOU HAVE A TOTAL ? I I AM, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO ANOTHER WAY OF HANDLING IT. I MEAN, YOU GET SOMEONE WITH 18 ADULT RABBITS, THEY BREED, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TROUBLE. YEAH, BUT THE ONLY LOOK, MY THOUGHT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW, PLEASE SAY JUST HAVE IT, YOU JUST HAVE SIX PERIOD. THAT'S IT. RIGHT? THE, THE BABY'S ONLY COME INTO PLAY IF SOMEONE COMES TO INSPECT THEM. RIGHT. IF NOBODY COMES TO EXPECT, EXPECT INSPECT THEM. THEY COULD HAVE 24 RABBITS IN THERE. RIGHT? THEY COULD CERTAINLY, BUT AS SOON AS IT'S BORN, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN VIOLATION BY THE CURRENT CODE. SURE. BUT, BUT UM, BUT THERE IS A LITTLE PART OF ME THAT'S THINKING IF YOU KEEP IT AT THIS, JUST THOSE SIX, INSTEAD OF MAKING THESE ALLOWANCES BALANCES, THERE'S MORE PRESSURE ON THEM TO DEAL WITH THOSE EXTRA BABY WITH THOSE EXTRA RABBITS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. RIGHT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, OKAY. YEAH. SO THEY HAD SOME BABIES AND THEY'RE EXCEEDING THE SIX LIMITS, BUT THAT'S, UNLESS THEY'RE INSPECTED, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY MIGHT BE INSPECTED. SO THEY'RE KIND OF INCENTIVIZED. WELL, LET'S DO SOMETHING WITH THE BABIES SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE SCHEDULE 'EM CURRENTLY UNLESS IT'S THE RESULT OF A COMPLAINT. YEAH. AND THIS IS PAINFUL, BUT IF YOU, YOU HAVE THESE RABBITS AND YOU'RE BREATHING THEM AND YOU ARE USING 'EM FOR MEAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX OFTEN MORE THAN SIX OFTEN. AND WHAT, AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THOSE EXTRA SIX? I MEAN, THE EXTRA BABIES, YOU'D PROBABLY KILL THE ADULTS. YOU WOULD KILL THE ADULTS AND KEEP THE YOUNG ONES. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD, THEY WOULD STILL, BUT YOU'D STILL HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE BOTH. YEAH, SURE. BUT BY THE CURRENT RULES, YOU'RE IN VIOLATION FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME, FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME. BUT IT'S, IF NOBODY KNOWS, THEN . WELL, I, THAT'S GOES FOR THE ENTIRE THING. NO KNOWS THAT. I MEAN, I'M A CAR IN A PARKING LOT KNOWING ONE SAW ME, I'M GOOD. BUT, BUT I GUESS THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT'S JUST WONDERING IF, IF WE MAY NOT BE DOING A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE'S EVER IN VIOLATION. WE'RE CREATING A QUAGMIRE THAT'S POSSIBLE. WHAT? NO, I, YEAH, YEAH. I KNOW, BUT I, BUT I'M, MAYBE I'M PLAYING A LITTLE BIT OF THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE OF SAYING, LOOK, THIS IS OUR RULE FULL STOP. THE DETAILS BEHIND IT ARE THE DETAILS. AND IF WE COME IN AND INSPECT YOU AND YOU HAVE MORE THAN SIX THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM HERE. BUT, SO MY THOUGHT IS JUST LIKE WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE ALL THESE WAYS TO HELP PEOPLE. I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REASONABLE TO TRY TO FIND WAYS OF ACCOMMODATING THESE PERIODS WHERE THEY WILL HAVE BABIES IN EXCESS. RIGHT. BUT, BUT WE'RE ONLY INSPECT, THAT'S NOT THE NORMAL MODE OF BEING. RIGHT. WE'RE ONLY INSPECTING ONCE A YEAR. JOHN'S OUT THERE ONE DAY OF A YEAR. YOU'RE TELLING ME THEY CAN'T BE IN COMPLIANCE SO THAT ONE DAY WE GO OUT THERE YEAH, THEY CAN, THAT'S THAT SNAPSHOT THEY CAN BRING, THEY CAN BRING THEIR CHICKEN CHICKENS, INDOOR. EVERYBODY WILL ALWAYS DO SOMETHING. RIGHT. WELL THAT NOW IT, IT'S NOT ONLY JUST A ONE DAY A YEAR, IT'S, IT'S, WE DON'T JUST SHOW UP ON THEIR DOOR. THEY HAVE NOTICE, THEY KNOW WHEN JOHN'S COMING. WELL, JOHN TELLS 'EM COMING IN A WEEK, BUT THEIR BABY RABBITS WERE BORN [01:45:01] WEEK AND HALF BEFORE THAT. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WHEN HE GETS THERE. SO THIS, BUT IF HE, THIS IS JUST THE ARGUMENT WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING. BUT IF HE HAS A LOG AND HE COMES OUT AND SEES AND HE HAS EXTRA AND THEN WITHIN THE LOG, NOW HE HAS A, A LINE IN THE SAND KNOWING WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BACK IN COMPLIANCE, HOW OLD, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, YOU CAN CHEAT THE SYSTEM. YEP. YOU CAN MAKE IT 24 TO MAKE IT 80. IT'S STILL GONNA, IT STILL IS. BUT WHY, WHY PUSH THEM TO BE OUT COMPLIANCE EVERY TIME IF THEY'RE USING IT FOR MEAT, THEY, AND THEY ARE GONNA WANNA GO OUTTA COMPLIANCE ON A REGULAR BASIS. THERE'S, IF THIS IS AN IMPERFECT WAY OF HANDLING IT, HEY WAS YOU HAVE SOMETHING WHERE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF SIX IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE. YES. BY THE MINIMUM IT WOULD BE JUST THAT ONE INSPECTION A YEAR. BUT WHAT IF YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT DOESN'T LIKE YOU? RIGHT. MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REALLY GOING WRONG OR YOU'RE STILL DOING EVERYTHING YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, BUT YOUR NEIGHBOR JUST DOESN'T LIKE YOU. THEY CALL THE TOWN ON YOU AND NOW YOU'RE IN VIOLATION AT RISK OF GETTING THIS PERMIT REVOKED. YOU KNOW, IT'S, THERE'S SO MANY PARTICULAR SITUATIONS. YEAH. IT MAKES IT HARD TO BE GENERAL DISCRETION. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING OUT THERE AND ACTING LIKE, LIKE HE CAN GET THEM, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M READY, I'LL COME BACK. HERE'S WHAT'S WRONG. IF HE COMES OUT AND THEY JUST HAD A LITTER OF BABIES. DO YOU SAY LITTER OF BABIES FOR BUNNIES? MM-HMM . YEAH. AND, AND JOHN CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT THESE ARE NEWBORN BABIES. HE CAN SAY YOU HAVE X NUMBER WEEKS. RIGHT. TO BE IN COMPLIANCE AND, AND THEN IF YOU'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE, WE REVOKE SOMETHING. I MEAN I KNOW THAT WE'LL LEAVE IT UP. WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA HOPE THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY AS NICE AS JOHN. SO THE PERSON THAT HAS THAT DOES MEET RABBITS IN TOWN. I THINK HE SAID THEY DON'T TAKE THEIR FREEZER NAPS UNTIL THEY'RE 12 WEEKS TO 14. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. DO THEY THEY DON'T NURSE THEM UNTIL THE TIME THEY'RE READY TO BE DON'T I HAVE NO IDEA. CATTLE, I DON'T KNOW HAY AND PELLETS GRAB A MILKY MACHINE. I MEAN, GIVEN THAT THEY NO, BECAUSE THEY ARE, THEY CAN UH, BREED AT THREE MONTHS. YEAH. WHAT, 12 WEEKS. THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY IT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS IS CONVERSATION PUT IN. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY HAD EVERY, YOU CAN LOSE CONTROL OF RABBITS VERY QUICKLY. SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T ALLOW 'EM . THAT'S WHAT OWLS ARE FOR OUTSIDE OF BEING PETS, YOU KNOW. WELL, WE DON'T WANT, DON'T WANT THE HOUSE. THEIR PET FEEL PRESSURE. THE BABY'S DUMP THE BABY RABBITS DOWN TO FANTASY THEY TO DO THAT. SO YOU DON'T WANT PUT, BUT I CAN IMAGINE SOMEBODY DOING THAT IF THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE GONNA, YOU KNOW, THE DINNER IF THEY HAD. SO YEAH, WE DON'T WANNA MAKE PEOPLE FEEL DESPERATE. WE DON'T WANT TO MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE. LIKE IF THEY HAVE PET RABBITS THAT THEY'RE KEEPING INSIDE BECAUSE THEIR KIDS IN FFA THAT'S DIFFERENT. THAT'S, THAT'S PETS WE'RE THIS IS DEALING WITH MEAT, RABBITS, RABBITS THAT YOU ARE RAISING. BREEDING. YEAH. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE EVEN DOING THAT IN TOWN? MEAT RABBITS HAVE PERMISSION. TWO FOR SURE. I HAVE TWO ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD. THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE, BUT THEY ARE. THEY DON'T HIDE IT. YEAH. WELL WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE. NO, I THINK WE, THAT'S JUST THE ONES WE KNOW ABOUT. YEAH. . BUT THERE'S NO WRONG ANSWER. THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. EVERYTHING'S RIGHT, EVERYTHING'S WRONG DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCE GOES IN. SO IF, SO IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT, THEN YOU END UP WITH A BIG FACTOR, A POLICY OF THE BEST YOU CAN DO, UH, OF WHAT IT IS. AND SO IT, IT'S KIND OF A CONSENSUS I GUESS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOK FOR. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK THAT SHOULD, SHOULD WE ALLOW? OH, JUST ALLOW FIXED NUMBER AND BE OUT AND ALLOW DISCRETION TO SAY I'LL BE BACK IN THREE MONTHS IF THEY WERE HAPPEN TO BE BORN THE DAY BEFORE. SO I THINK THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS REASONABLE FOR THE NUMBER, FOR THE REASONS YOU ALL TALK ABOUT. 12 WEEKS. THEY'RE GOOD FOR TO BE HARVESTED FOR MEAT. THEY USE DISCRETION WHEN THEY DO THE ENFORCEMENT. AND UM, I THINK IN THE PUBLIC HEARING WE MAY HEAR FROM THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DO THIS TYPE OF THING. LIKE MR. KANE THAT WAS HERE LAST WEEK, I THINK THAT WAS HIS NAME, UH, DURING OUR LAST MEETING TO PROVIDE SOME OF THAT INSIGHT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF FIRSTHAND. MM-HMM. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY. SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE GOOD TIME FOR US TO ACTUALLY TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND CONSIDER THAT FEEDBACK AND INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC TO SEE IF YOU WANNA MODIFY THIS COURT. 'CAUSE THEY MIGHT, I MEAN THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE COMPLETELY MISSING BECAUSE NONE OF US DO THAT. ABSOLUTELY. AND UM, ACTUALLY, WELL READING, READING THE MINUTES FROM WARREN COUNTY, THEY HAD APPARENTLY A SIMILAR DISCUSSION AT ONE POINT , BUT THERE'S THIS ROOSTER FOCUS, RIGHT? NO, THIS [01:50:01] IS THE PAST. WHEN YOU DO SEARCHERS, WHEN EVERYTHING NO, THIS THE MORE RECENTLY IT WAS ALL ABOUT ROOSTERS. THEIRS WAS RIGHT? YEAH. THEIRS WAS ALL ABOUT ROOSTERS. UH, OKAY. SO THE DISCRETION MAY BE GRANTED DURING AN INSPECTION, UM, WHEN BABIES ARE PRESENT OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW. I FEEL LIKE WE COULD PROBABLY GENERALIZE TO ALLOW IT STATED THERE BE THERE'LL BE DISCRETION BUT AT THE SAME TIME NOTE THAT, WELL THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SENTENCE TO AT THE END. UM, DO WE WANT THAT IN THE NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER VIOLATION, WHETHER IT'S ZONING OR A CRIMINAL LAW OR WHATEVER. IT'S THE SAME THING. JUST DISCRETION THERE. SO I WOULD JUST LEAVE WAY IT IS OKAY. OPINION. I DON'T WANNA PUT THAT IN THERE AND WRITE, LITERALLY WRITE SOME GRAY AREA INTO THE CODE. YEAH, THAT'S FAIR. GRAY AREA GETS US INTO TROUBLE. OKAY. TERESA, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. SO WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT AS IT IS FOR NOW. I KNOW WE SAY THE, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ANIMALS MUST BE REDUCED. UH, YES. BUT WHERE, I'M SORRY, IT'S AT THE BOTTOM. IT'S RIGHT HERE. YEAH. YEAH. REDUCED TO COMPLY. TO COMPLY WITH. OKAY. TO GO BACK TO IT SO THEY DON'T KEEP BUMPING UP THE NUMBER. SO THAT WAS A COMPROMISE THAT CAME UP TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THAT. WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SEE WE GET THE FEEDBACK THEN. ALRIGHT. UM, AND THEN NINE WOULD BE KEPT FOR THE TIME BAY AT LEAST TO IT COULD GO WITH A AGAIN. YEAH. ALRIGHT. AND JOHN, WITH THE PAGE YOU HAVE ME TYPING FROM BEFORE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S RELATED TO FEED BOXES? YES. UH, LET'S SEE HERE. WHAT DO WE HAVE THERE? UH, THAT'S BASICALLY THE SAME WORDING THAT WE HAD OF, UH, ON THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION. YEAH. SO THAT, YEAH. THAT ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE HAD READ, UH, RECOMMENDED. OKAY. BE . UM, WHERE PEOPLE GET BEES, YOU CAN ORDER 'EM ON AMAZON. MM-HMM . AND YOU CAN ALSO PUT OUT UM, BILL TO HIVE AND THEN PUT CERTAIN THINGS INTO IT THAT ATTRACT A SWORN. THESE WOULD ALL BE ONES THAT ARE FOUND AROUND HERE ANYWAY. THEY ARE ALL LEGAL AND REALLY THE SUBSPECIES ARE THAT THEY'RE SUBSPECIES OF THE EUROPEAN HONEY BEE. OKAY. THE ISSUE COMES IN WHEN YOU GET LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE AFRICANIZED, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND PEOPLE WHO WANT THOSE REALLY ANYWAY. 'CAUSE THEY'RE, I THINK THERE'S BUT CAN THEY HELP GETTING THEM IF THEY DON'T HIDE? UH, IF YOU HAVE AN ESTABLISHED TYPE ALREADY, THEN YEAH, THOSE CURRENT BEES WILL FIGHT OFF THE OTHER ONES. YEAH. FIRST, HOW DO YOU KEEP LEARNING MORE ABOUT BEES THAN I EVER WANTED TO. IF AN AFRICANIZED QUEEN CAN HIJACK A HIDE, SO THAT IS POSSIBLE, SHE'LL GO IN AND KILL THE OTHER QUEEN AND HIJACK THE FORCE THE THING TO TAKE CARE OF HURRY. ARE THEY LIKE BANNED IN THE UNITED STATES? LIKE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN KNOW THAT HAPPENED THOUGH. YES, YES, YES. KNOW VERY QUICKLY EVERYTHING. MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE. THERE ARE NO FUND TO KEEP. OH ANYWAYS. IT'S ILLEGAL. IT'S ILLEGAL. IT'S ILLEGAL. WE DO NOT IN VIRGINIA RIGHT NOW. THERE WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. IT'S TOO COLD HERE, ISN'T IT? UH, UNFORTUNATELY, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU READ. BUT I, I COULD NOT FIND THAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE. TEXAS DOES. ARIZONA DOES TOO. ARIZONA DOES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ISSUE HERE RIGHT NOW. BUT IF, IF A PROFESSIONAL BEEKEEPER, IF IT, IF IT HAPPENS THERE HIGH, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO KILL THE EYE. YEAH. OKAY. OH, HOLD ON A SECOND. WE HAD A SET ABOUT, UH, THE SECTION OF SETBACKS EARLIER. YEAH. IS IT IN CONTRADICTION? YEAH, WE FIX THAT. WE, YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO IT WAS TIER THREE THOUGH. THIS IS THREE BECAUSE THREE IS WHERE YOU CAN HAVE 12 BEEHIVES. AND WE HAD SAID, [01:55:01] AND THEN HERE IT SAID IF IT WAS MORE THAN WHATEVER MM-HMM . SO, UM, IS THAT AGAIN, JUST A SHEER NUMBER OF BS FLYING OVER YOUR HEAD? RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. SO IN THAT CASE, WE ACTUALLY DON'T NEED B AT ALL TECHNICALLY BECAUSE IT'S ADDRESSED EARLIER. UNLESS YOU WANNA KEEP, IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S JUST REPETITIVE. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE STILL IN TIER THREE OR IS THIS, OH THIS IS B. NO, THIS IS B SPECIFIC. MM-HMM . UH, YEAH, IT'S REDUNDANT NOW. YEAH. AND WE NEED TO PUT SOLID FENCE ON THE NEXT ONE. HIGHEST BY A SOLID FENCE OF AT LEAST FOUR FEET AND HEIGHT. SO IN YOUR BACKYARD, WHICH ALREADY HAS A FENCE, IF YOU HAVE A BEEHIVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER FENCE. NO, IT'S JUST YOUR PROPERTY LINE MUST HAVE A SOLID FENCE IF YOU, SO IT WOULDN'T BE FORCE THE BEES TO FLY HIGHER. NOT THROUGH THE THINGS THEY COOL. AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY SAID THE TWO FEET WAS TWO FEET WAS SUFFICIENT. SO WE JUST GO TO TWO FEET. DO WE WANNA MODIFY THE ENC WORD ENCLOSED TO SAY THE HI SHALL BE ENCLOSED IN A YARD WHERE IT BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU NEED YOUR DOG. YEAH. AND THEN YOU NEED THAT. YEAH. OKAY. BACKYARD. WELL, IT, IT IS ALSO, IT'S REALLY AN AREA FENCE IN YOUR ENTIRE YARD. YOU CAN JUST HAVE A, YOU CAN JUST, BUT IF IT IS AN AREA HAPPENS TO BE FENCE, IT'S A FENCED IN AREA. FENCED IN AREA. IT'S NOT, NOT THE WHOLE YARD NECESSARILY. FENCED IN AREA. PERHAPS THE WHOLE YARD. IT COULD, YOU WANT TO, IT COULD BE YOU JUST CLOSE ENOUGH AROUND THE YARD AROUND YOU GOT IT. GOOD. GOOD JOB. ALRIGHT. AND THEN SHE JUST, THEY SAID TWO SQUARE FEET WAS ENOUGH ON THE SIGN. SHOULD WE SAY THEN AT LEAST? YEAH, AT LEAST. AT LEAST. NO. IF THEY'RE IN YOUR BACKYARD AND THERE'S A FOUR FOOT FENCE, WHO'S GONNA SEE THE SIGN WHERE YOU PUT THE SIGN? JUST WANNA BE COVERED. IF SOMEBODY TRESPASSES THEM TO STOP. WELL I THINK YOUR INSURANCE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE THE BACKYARD, BUT YOUR KIDS CAN SEE THE SIGN. PUT THE SIGN IN YOUR BACKYARD. THAT'S WHY YOU KEEP THEM RIGHTS, PEOPLE'S DOORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. YOU METER POLICE. YEAH. UR RISK. ELECTRICAL PEOPLE JUST OKAY. HARVESTING INDOORS. AND ANYTHING ELSE ON B? SLOWER STILL BUZZ IN THE BACK. IT'S GETTING LATE. , SOMETHING TELLS YOU YOU'RE NOT GETTING TO INDUSTRIAL. NO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING ANYTHING. HOPE NOT. WE'RE ALMOST THE END OF THIS DOCUMENT. YES. WE'RE ABOUT AND AGAIN, NO, THAT'S THE, UH, I HAVE MANY GOOD QUOTES ALREADY. INCIDENT THE VICE CHAIR. YEAH, I THINK, NO, NO. I THINK YOU COULD PASS ON THAT TODAY. . LET, LET'S SEE. HE HAS SELF BUSINESS SERVICE WITHIN AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY. SHALL YOU ARE NOT GONNA BE SELLING OFF THEIR PROPERTY. RIGHT. SO OUR OTHER WORDING DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM, NO COMMERCIAL AGREEMENT SHALL BE ALLOWED. UM, WOULD THAT BE, THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED UNDER THIS. THIS IS SAYING YOU CAN'T SELL THE EGGS OR RIGHT. THE CHICKENS OR THE MEAT. YEAH, BUT I MEAN THAT'S THE SALE OF GOODS, RIGHT? RELATED. YEAH. IF THAT COVERED EVERYTHING, [02:00:02] YOU CAN'T PUT UP THE FIVE MAILBOX EGGS, RIGHT? NO, YOU DO NOT. AND THAT HAPPEN. ALL RIGHT. UM, AND THEN INCIDENTAL, THEY THOUGHT WE WERE AGAIN SHARING OR TRADING NEIGHBORS, FAMILY, FRIENDS SELLING OFFITE SCHOOL. UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SECTION? YOU KNOW HOW CHICKENS FIRST GOT BANNED IN ? IT HAPPENED ABOUT AROUND 1985. ROOSTED IN THE ROLL UP TREE? NO, SOMEBODY ON BLUERIDGE AVENUE 36. OH MY GOD. AND THE TOWN COUNCIL RESPONDED BY BANNING OMAR SIDE. WOW. OKAY. WE'RE DONE. UM, WELL WE HAVE OH RIGHT, SO WE'RE COOL WITH YEAH. SCHOOLS, SPLITING SCHOOLS, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIALISTS. SO DO SCHOOLS NEED EVERYBODY? 'CAUSE THE SCHOOLS HERE ALL HAVE AG PROGRAMS AND THEY CAN'T KEEP ANIMALS ON SITE AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO, I MEAN, TOTALLY. THOSE ANIMALS ARE PROBABLY BETTER. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT THERE. AND WE SHOULD BE, SO THE SCHOOLS NEED TO GO THROUGH THE AG, URBAN AG PERMIT. EVEN IF, WHAT IF THEY'RE NOT OVER 10 ACRES? CAN THEY KEEP THEIR LIVES DONE? WOULDN'T WE JUST WANNA SAY SCHOOLS SHALL BE EXEMPT FROM THE REQUIREMENTS OF SOME 75, 1 10 25? UM, NOT, NOT REALLY. THEY SHOULDN'T BE EXEMPT FROM THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, BUT THEY SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THE NUMERICAL REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. SO SCHOOLS ARE, UM, YEAH, SCHOOL PROPERTIES ARE EXEMPT FROM THE TIER LIST OR THE TIER REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. SO THIS PART HERE, WHAT WE COULD DO IS JUST SAY INDUSTRY AND INDUSTRIAL AND HAVE IT AND THEN, UH, UH, AND THEN WE CAN REWORD IT A LITTLE BIT LIKE, UH, FROM THE CATEGORIZATION, UM, NOT ONLY POPULATION REQUIREMENTS BUT ALSO SPECIES REQUIREMENTS. WHAT SPECIES REQUIREMENTS TOO, DO THEY KEEP SOMETHING BESIDES THESE CHICKENS? I KNOW ALL THEY'VE GOT ARE RABBITS RIGHTS, BUT DON'T THEY WANNA HAVE WHAT THEY GOTTA DO HAVE, GET GOATS, WANNA HAVE ANIMALS? I THINK WE SHOULD SAY POPULATION SPECIES JUST IN CASE WE'RE NOT WRITING THE NO, NO, NO. I THINK, I, I DON'T THINK, YEAH, IF IF IT'S IN THE TOWN, WHICH ARE, IT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE JUST HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE A FIREARMS BUSINESS AND THEY CAN'T RIGHT NOW DUE TO CODE AND THEY SAID THAT, HEY, CAN YOU CHANGE IT? LET'S KEEP IT LIKE THIS. AND IF THERE'S A SCHOOL THAT REALLY WANTS TO HAVE GOATS, WHATEVER, THEY CAN SAY, HEY, CAN YOU WANNA BUILD AN AGRICULTURAL PROP? OKAY. PROGRAM. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE TO ME. ALRIGHT, COOL. EVERYTHING GOOD HERE? YES, WE'RE AT THE END OF THE DOCUMENT. ALRIGHT, SO WHAT WE WILL DO, I'M GONNA HIT SAVE ON THIS, THIS PLEASE. YES. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, , SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN REVIEW THIS, THESE CHANGES NEXT WEEK. IF YOU'LL, IF YOU'LL SEND THAT OUT TO ME, I'LL GET THAT TABLE UPDATED AND PUT THAT IN THERE. I WANNA TRY TO GET PACKETS OUT BY WEDNESDAY AT THE LATEST NEXT WEEK. 'CAUSE I'M OUT THURSDAY AND MOST OF FRIDAY. OKAY, WELL IF YOU SEND THIS TO ME TONIGHT OR TOMORROW, I'LL SEND, I'LL GET IT UPDATED TOMORROW. YEP, I SURE WILL. AND THEN I'LL SEND THIS OUT TO EVERYBODY TO SEE WHAT THE CHANGES. WE NEED TO REVIEW THAT IN HOUSE. WE NEED TO REVIEW IT IN HOUSE FOR MINUS SO ANY, ANY CHANGES THAT ARE MADE BETWEEN NOW AND THE, IN OUR FORMAL MEETING, YOU CAN POINT OUT WELL NOW WHEN THE PACKETS GO OUT RIGHT, WHEN THE NOW THE PACKETS GO POINT OUT, WHICH MEANS WEDNESDAY. YEAH. WE, WE CAN POINT OUT. BUT ANY CHANGES MEETING NO LATER THAN TUESDAY? ANY, ANY CHANGES NOW? IF, IF IT, IF IT IS SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES AND GET BETS ARE OFF, WE'RE COMING BACK AND ANOTHER WORKING GROUP. IF IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, REARRANGING SENTENCES AND STUFF, WE'LL WE'LL PRESS ON. IS THAT YES. [02:05:01] WELL I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DON'T MAKE ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES AT LEAST UNTIL WE HAVE NO, NO, I, I I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WILL BE. BUT THOSE, THERE COULD BE SOME CLEANUP AND GET THE, AND MAKE THE TABLE MATCH THE WORDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. CAN I CLOSE AND CLEAN UP IS GOOD AND THEN YOU CLOSE IT. I THINK IT IS ALMOST NOT THAT TOWN IS GONNA SEND IT BACK TO US ANYWAY. THIS IS SO WE CAN SAY, I THINK IT'S OKAY FOR US TO SAY THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH TO SEND HEARING AND THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS FROM THERE. AND THE PUBLIC HEARING ON IT BEING STEVE TO SEE IF SOMEBODY COMES AND TALKS THEY'RE DOING INQUIRY. ANYTHING CRAZY HAPPENS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU CAN ALWAYS KEEP IT OPEN, BRING IT BACK TO WORK SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEND IT TO COUNSEL. YEAH, WE CAN EITHER KEEP IT OPEN TO THE NEXT SESSION OR JUST CLOSE IT AND SEND IT RIGHT BACK TO THE WORK SESSION. THOSE ARE OUR OPTIONS. MM-HMM . DURING THAT SESSION, UH, I MOVE. ANYBODY WANNA MOVE? ? YEAH, I'LL MOVE TO ADJOURN. MM-HMM . AND ANY SECONDS, I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.