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READY TO GO? WE'RE GOOD. 
          WE'RE GOOD? OKAY. 
          WE'RE 
          [Planning and Zoning Work Session on March 18, 2026.]
GONNA START OUT WITH THE WORKING GROUP MEETING TONIGHT. 
          WE'RE OPEN UP THE COUNTY COMMISSION WEDNESDAY, MARCH 18TH, 2026. 
          DO YOU PLEASE? TIME . 
          COMMISSIONER NER? I'M HERE. 
          CHAIRMAN NEIL. 
          I'M HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER FEDERICA IS NOT HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER ANDREW'S GONNA BE A COUPLE MINUTES LATE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND VICE CHAIRMAN MARRAZZO? YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          DOKIE. 
          WE'RE STARTING OUT WITH TWO THINGS TONIGHT ON THE I ONE I TWO DISTRICT AND THEN THE I URBAN AGRICULTURAL. 
          AND WE HAVE SOME LAST MINUTE THINGS. 
          I THINK. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE FINE SO FAR IN THE, THE EXAMPLE OF TRYING TO GO FOR USE BASE IMPACT HERE. 
          THIS SECTION OF THING WE CAN DISCUSS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME OTHER FEEDBACK FROM, UH, ABOUT OTHER, OTHER THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T COVER AFTERWARDS. 
          UM, SO I'LL START WITH THIS STATEMENT OF INTENT UP THERE. 
          AND SINCE OUR LAST MEETING WHEN WE WERE, WE WERE TALKING, UM, WE GOT AWAY FROM THE STANDARD YOU COULD AND WE LISTING ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE PERMITTED AND, AND BREAKING THAT DOWN FOR THE I ONE AND I TWO. 
          AND THEN WE, UM, LAUREN HAD SUGGESTED A IN, UM, INTENSITY BASE OR USE CASE. 
          UH, AND, AND WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. 
          SO THIS WENT BACK AND REWROTE BASED ON THOSE IN ORDER TO GOING WITH THIS APPROACH. 
          UH, IT BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT, THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS BECAUSE IT'S, HE HEAVILY DEPENDENT ON THAT, THAT GO, GOES ALONG WITH IT. 
          AND ALSO, IN KEEPING WITH YOU IAN BACKGROUND, WE HAVE TO HAVE PROHIBITED USES IN THIS MM-HMM . 
          SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, I THINK, AND GOING ALONG, I THINK THE CONCEPT IS HERE IS RE REVIEW THIS INITIAL SET OUR RESTRICTED USES AND MAKE SURE OUR DEFINITIONS ACTUALLY FIT THE MOLD FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE. 
          THE THING, THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS MAILED OUT, UH, DOESN'T MATCH THAT PROHIBIT USES? UH, ONLY, YEAH, I WON THE TEXT THAT I'M LOOKING AT THAT WAS SENT OUT ON, UH, THE 14TH DOES NOT MATCH. 
          GREG. 
          I GET A COPY OF THAT. 
          HOLD ON ONE SECOND. 
          UH, NO, THE ONE, THE ONE THAT WAS SENT OUT IN THE EMAIL HAS THE PROHIBITED USES. 
          IT'D BE ON, IT'S ON, UH, PAGE SIX OF THE AGENDA. 
          OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH ONE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I'M LOOKING AT THIS. 
          YOU LOOKING AT THE WORD DOCUMENT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN YOU SAID YOU WERE DIFFERENT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE, BUT I'LL LOOK IN THE AGENDA. 
          NO, NOT IN THE AGENDA. 
          IT WAS A SEPARATE ONE. 
          OH. 
          UM, THAT'S, WELL, IT DOES HAVE PROHIBITED USES. 
          IT DIDN'T MATCH ABOVE 16. 
          SIX POINT 13 2 4 MATCH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO 13 THREE MATCH. 
          13. 
          OKAY. 
          IN LOOKING AT THIS, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD THINK OF ADDING IS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WE HAVE IN, UH, FOR OTHER ZONES AND PERMITTED USES. 
          WE HAVE THAT LINE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE LIST ABOVE, YOU KNOW, AS APPROVED BY, UM, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OR PLANNING ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE PROHIBITED USES. 
          SO THAT WE'RE NOT HOPING TO CAPTURE NECESSARILY EVERY SINGLE THING. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE A LINE IN THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, OTHER SUCH USES AS, YOU KNOW, DEEMED SIMILAR TO THE ABOVE, UH, AS DISAPPROVED BY . 
          UH, THE, THE PLANNING ADMINISTRATOR, UM, OH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          IN FACT, WE COULD ACTUALLY JUST COPY SUCH OF THE USE IS DETERMINED BY ET CETERA. 
          IT'S JUST UNDER PROHIBITED THEN. 
          UM, SO OKAY. 
          THIS LINE UP HERE, JUST COPY PASTE IT. 
          YEAH, SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR I ONE IT IS, IT IS, UM, LIGHT MANUFACTURING AND, AND PORTIONS OF MEDIUM AND THEN LIGHT BEING, UM, BY RIGHT AND 
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MEDIUM. 
          THE PORTIONS OF MEDIUM IN I ONE BEING BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, OR I TWO MEDIUM AND HEAVY ARE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT ONLY IN I AND LIGHT IS STILL PERMITTED IS HOW THIS WORKS ON HERE. 
          SO DO YOU WANT MAYBE GO TO THE DEFINITION FOR A MINUTE, LOOK AT THE LIGHT IN MEDIUM DEFINITIONS AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE THINK? WE HAVE THAT? YES. 
          GOOD. 
          LAUREN, YOU NEED CHIME IN TOO. 
          PLEASE. 
          IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          WARREN AND JOHN, I'M THINKING SO KEEP, KEEP GOING. 
          , I'M TRYING TO FORMULATE A, BECAUSE COPARENT THOUGHT HERE TO EXPLAIN WHAT'S BEEN PERSONALLY, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THESE SUBMISSIONS. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I BUY IN BEFORE MOVING ON THREE, FOUR. 
          THESE ARE IN GENERAL, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT LISTING THE EXCLUDED USES. 
          PARDON? UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING EXCLUDED USES. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW DO YOU DO THIS WITHOUT HAVING EXCLUDED USES? WE HAVE AN INCLUSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO BY ITS NATURE, IF IT'S NOT HERE, IT'S NOT PERMITTED WELL, BUT WE'RE GETTING THAT BY THIS CONCEPT. 
          WE'RE NOT LISTING THOSE THINGS ARE PERMITTED. 
          WE'RE LISTING A CONCEPT OF SOMETHING TO BE PERMITTED, BUT BY THE, UM, LAND USE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IF WE REMOVE ALL THOSE THINGS, TRYING TO LIST OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE OR, OR WHAT CAN BE PUT IN THERE AND PUT IT BY THE TYPE OR SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, DESCRIBING IT AS OPPOSED TO NAMING IT, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE LEFT WITH, UM, POSSIBILITIES OF THINGS WE DON'T WANT BUT WOULD FIT WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF BEING PERMISSIBLE. 
          BUT CAN WE GO, CAN WE INTERCHANGE? I'M STILL THINKING THAT YEAH. 
          THIS, THIS IS THE CONCEPT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THE LAST TIME. 
          SO, BUT BELIEVE ME, IT WAS INTERESTING PUTTING TOGETHER . 
          SO I GUESS THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE OF WHAT, WHAT CLARIFICATION IS, IS, IS BEING SOUGHT HERE? WHAT, WELL, THE IDEA WAS BY TRYING TO PUT A LIST OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE PERMITTED AND THOSE THINGS, UM, THAT AREN'T, ARE ONLY PERMITTED IN, WELL JUST SAY PUT LISTS ARE ARE PERMITTED, WE'RE MISSING THINGS THAT, THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE NOT BEING INCLUSIVE ENOUGH. 
          AND YEAH. 
          SO THAT WAS THE ISSUE LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, IT WAS LIKE, AS USES EVOLVE AND CHANGE OVER TIME AND WE HAVE THIS FINITE LIST HERE AND IT EITHER FITS OR IT DOESN'T. 
          RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S HOW OUR ORDINANCE WORKS. 
          UM, SO THEN THE THOUGHT WAS, AT LEAST ON MY END, AT WHAT POINT, LIKE OF IMPACT, THAT'S WHEN WE KICK IT INTO SPECIAL USE. 
          RIGHT? LIKE IF IT'S USING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF ELECTRICITY, IT'S GENERATING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, THAT'S WHEN WE WANNA KNOW, OKAY, BEYOND THIS THRESHOLD, THIS IS SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          BENEATH IT, IT SHOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE. 
          AND THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY USE SPECIFIC BECAUSE YOU, YOU CAN HAVE THE SAME USE, BUT AT DIFFERENT SCALES, ONE NEEDS TO BE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND ONE DOESN'T IN THEORY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU WANT TO DEFINE AS MANY USES AS YOU CAN MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT? UM, WITHOUT AMBIGUITY'S THE ENEMY. 
          SO BY LISTING PROHIBITED USES, IS THAT, IS THAT, THAT WAS THE INTENT, IS THAT ELIMINATING AMBIGUITY THAT'S ELIMINATING AMBIGUITY OF THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED? WELL, I MEAN, TO ME THAT WAS THE QUESTION OF WHY ISN'T IT CLEAR WITHOUT DOING, DOING IT, TAKING THAT APPROACH? AND WOULD THERE BE AN OPTION ELSEWISE? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ISSUE BEFORE HAD, YOU KNOW ALL OF THESE SPECIFICS SURE. 
          BUT THEN IT LEFT OUT THINGS. 
          BUT THIS ONE, IT, IT INCLUDES A BROADER CATEGORY AND THEN SPECIFIES OR NARROWS IT SOME BY SAYING, 
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BY THE WAY, THIS BROAD DEFINITION OR THIS BROAD THING DOES NOT INCLUDE THESE, WHICH WOULD IN THAT WAY REDUCE AMBIGUITY. 
          WELL, THAT COULD BE DONE IN THE DEFINITION. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY COMMENT. 
          I'LL PUT, I'LL PUT THE EXCLUDED THINGS IN THE DEFINITION. 
          SURE. 
          WELL, TO, TO AN EXTENT IT KIND OF IS. 
          I MEAN, IT DOES SAY TO AN EXTENT, YOU KNOW, SMALL SCALE FOOD PRODUCTION WITHOUT RENDERING OR HEAVY PROCESSING AND THAT WOULD NEGATE THE NEED FOR RENDERING PLANTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT POTENTIALLY COULD EXPAND THE DEFINITION TO INCLUDE ALL THOSE THINGS IN THERE. 
          SURE. 
          THERE'LL BE ANOTHER WAY OF HANDLING, BUT I, BUT I KNOW ALL THOSE THINGS ARE NOT DEFINED IN THE DEFINITION. 
          ALL THE EXCLUDED THINGS I WOULD RECALL IN THE DEFINITION RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, NOISE, VIBRATION, SMOKE, DUST ODOR, HEAT GLARE, HAZARDOUS EMISSIONS, DETECTABLE OUT OR BEYOND PROPERTY LINE. 
          THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS IN HERE I COULD SEE WHERE SOMEONE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL, MY SLAUGHTERHOUSE IS REALLY WELL DONE SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THESE , THESE OTHER THINGS. 
          BUT WE WOULDN'T WANT IT IN I ONE. 
          DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER THAT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA, BUT PERHAPS THE WRONG DIRECTION? NOT THAT I'M SUGGESTING IT, BUT DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER THAT? WELL, THIS WAS, THIS WAS THE GROUP LAST TIME HAD ASKED FOR THIS. 
          OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          NO, NO. 
          I'M SO WE'LL PUT. 
          IF THIS IS NOT, NOW THAT WE SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, IF WE DECIDE WE DON'T WANT TO GO THIS WAY, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. 
          IT'S HARD BECAUSE HOW DO YOU PROTECT AGAINST THE, I MEAN, THINGS ARE NATURALLY GONNA CHANGE OVER TIME. 
          TECHNOLOGY'S GONNA IMPROVE. 
          IT'S GONNA, ESPECIALLY IN THE INDUSTRIAL, I MEAN, THIS IS OUR, THIS IS TECHNICALLY WHAT WE WANT HERE. 
          IF THIS IS REVENUE FOR THE TOWN. 
          UM, SO WE DON'T WANNA DISCOURAGE IT, BUT WE DON'T WANNA OPEN IT UP TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT FOR THE COMMUNITY EITHER. 
          WELL, THIS, YEAH. 
          YES. 
          THIS, THE IDEA WAS YES. 
          AND THAT WAS WHAT I THINK THIS WAS TRYING TO DO. 
          ACTUALLY. 
          THERE MAY BE A SIMPLER WAY TO DO THIS, BUT WE HAVE THE THREE CATEGORIES, LIGHT, MEDIUM, AND HEAVY MM-HMM . 
          AND IF IT WAS LOOKING TO HAVE WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE DEFINITION, AND WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HERE UNDER PROHIBITED USES, THOSE CAN ALL BE SEEN AS EXISTING IN MEDIUM AND HEAVY. 
          SO WE COULD JUST ADD A LINE. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE LIGHT MANUFACTURING DEFINITION TO SAY THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THINGS UNDER MEDIUM OR HEAVY. 
          AND THEN IT'S JUST REFERENCING THE OTHER DEFINITION, RIGHT? BECAUSE IN HEAVY WE HAVE, UM, OUTDOOR PROCESSING, RAW MATERIAL OR BULK HANDLING OF RAW MATERIALS, UM, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLES INCLUDING PETROLEUM, REFINING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY IS LIGHT IS NOT MEDIUM OR HEAVY. 
          MEDIUM IS NOT LIGHT OR HEAVY. 
          HEAVY IS NOT LIGHT OR MEDIUM . 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S REDUNDANT, BUT IT WOULD POTENTIALLY COVER ALL OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO SAY BEYOND WHAT I'VE SAID PREVIOUSLY. 
          I WAS TRYING TO FOLLOW UP ON LAUREN'S COMMENT. 
          IF YOU HAVE, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF YOU HAVE TO DESCRIBE WHAT ISN'T ALLOWED, THEN TO ME SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IS ALLOWED. 
          I, I AM NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND. 
          IF WE WERE TO USE AN ANALOGY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, POLYGONS ARE ALLOWED HERE, BUT I DON'T WANT RAMBUS, DO I THEN GO LIST OUT EVERY SINGLE KIND OF POLYGON? BUT YOU HAVEN'T, BUT YOU HAVEN'T SAID, YOU KNOW, RHOMBUS ARE ALLOWED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE ONLY OTHER OPTION THAT WOULD BE TO LIST EVERY SINGLE KIND OF POLYGON AND LEAVE OUT RHOMBUS. 
          WHEREAS THE SIMPLER, I WOULD SAY ALL POLYGONS EXCEPT THROMBUS. 
          WELL, I, I GUESS ONE JOB IS TO ANTICIPATE ALL POSSIBLE USES, RIGHT? REALISTICALLY, UM, NOT SURE. 
          I'M NOT SURE I'M ADVANCING THE BALL HERE, RIGHT? YEAH, NO, BECAUSE OUR ORDINANCE IS INCLUSIVE, IT LISTS THE USES THAT ARE INCLUDED MM-HMM . 
          SO THE USE IS NOT LISTED IN THE INCLUDED SECTION. 
          IT IT IS EXCLUDED MM-HMM . 
          UNTIL SOMEONE OR AN APPLICANT SAYS MY USES SHOULD BE IN THAT INCLUDED SECTION AND, AND HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF THAT SAYS THIS ALIGNS WITH WHAT'S INCLUDED. 
          OKAY. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, 
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SO I  YEAH, I, SO I THINK, RIGHT, IF YOU, I EXPAND OR WE, WE, WE CHECK ON THE DEFINITIONS AND WE WORK THE DEFINITIONS. 
          IT SHOULD ELIMINATE WHAT IS EXCLUDED IN EACH SECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD. 
          IF RIGHT, IF THERE'S A PROHIBITED USE THAT YOU DIDN'T THINK OF, NOW YOU'RE, NOW YOU'VE FLIPPED IT. 
          WELL, IT, YOU DON'T SAY IT'S PROHIBITED. 
          SO IT MUST BE ALLOWED. 
          UH, EXCEPT BY THE DEFINITION IT CUTS BOTH WAYS. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          EXCEPT BY THE DEFINITION. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO MIX TWO DIFFERENT METHODS, INCLUDE SOME AND EXCLUDE SOME. 
          SO AS WE PROGRESS FURTHER WITH TECHNOLOGY, THOSE USES THAT ARE LISTED AS PROHIBITED, ANOTHER TECHNOLOGY COULD COME ALONG. 
          IF THAT'S NOT LISTED AS PROHIBITED, THEN YOU REFER BACK TO THE DEFINITION. 
          WELL, PART OF THE PROBLEM WE RUN INTO IS IN I ONE, YOU'RE ALLOWED SOME MEDIUM DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS. 
          SO IF WE START PUTTING EXCLUDED IN THE TWO DEFINITIONS, NOW, POTENTIALLY YOU COULD HAVE A MEDIUM. 
          YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? YOU COULD GET A DISCONNECT THERE. 
          LIKE WITH INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING, IT'S MADE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS MOVIE AND THAT. 
          YOU, YOU START LISTING OUT THE IMPACT, LIKE YOU SAY, PRIMARILY INDOORS, I THOUGHT WOULD BE, WE WOULD SAY IT'S ENTIRELY INDOORS, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE LOADING AREAS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THE STATEMENT OF INTENT WORKS TO, UM, COVER THOSE AREAS THAT MIGHT COME UP THAT AREN'T CLEARLY DEFINED IN THE EXISTING STATEMENT OF INTENT. 
          I, I THINK THE STATEMENT OF INTENT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR ANY CATEGORY. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR ANY CATEGORY, I GUESS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS LIMITED INDUSTRIAL, WELL, WE HAVE LIMITED INDUSTRIAL, BUT YOUR DEFINITIONS IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. 
          THAT SHOULD ALIGN. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? WELL SEE THERE, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, BUT ONLY TWO DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. 
          I ONE AND I TWO, I ONE AND I TWO, BUT WE HAVE, UM, LOW, MEDIUM, AND HIGH. 
          RIGHT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I TOO IS OUR EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS EVERYTHING. 
          SO DO WE, OR WE COULD CONTINUE TO PULL THIS THREAD OR DROP IT AND GO BACK TO THE OTHER METHOD. 
          IT'S NOT BAD. 
          SO, WELL, I KIND OF LIKE IT, I LIKE THE DEFINITIONS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I THINK THERE MAY BE NEEDS TO JUST BE SOME TWEAKY, MAYBE LIKE, LIKE WE NEED A LINE IN THE STAND BETWEEN WHAT IS CLEARLY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND MEDIUM. 
          UM, LIKE IF WE SAY LIGHT IS INDOORS, LIKE THAT'S THE, IT'S COMPLETELY INDOORS. 
          THERE'S NO OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS. 
          IT'S LIKE A, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE OUT IN HAPPY CREEK. 
          SURE. 
          THOSE TO ME SEEM LIKE THEY'RE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING WITH SOME OF THEM. 
          UM, BUT LIKE SOME OF THE 
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USES THAT ARE DOWN OFF OF KENDRICK LANE, WHERE IT'S A, IS IT LIKE A SAW MILL THAT'S DOWN THERE? THEY MAKE FURNITURE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A FURNITURE SHOP. 
          IT'S NOT A SAWMILL. 
          IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT JACK, NOT JACKSON. 
          THE OTHER ONE THAT'S THERE. 
          RUSTY? YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT THAT ONE, THEY, THEY'RE STORING, I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS STORED OUTDOORS. 
          IT'S NOT COMPLETELY CONTAINED. 
          WELL, THE MA THE MATERIAL'S STORED OUTSIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FOR THIS DEFINITION, THAT KICKS THAT INTO MEDIUM. 
          WELL, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT FABRICATING ANYTHING OUTSIDE THAT IS THAT TO ME, THAT STORY OF MATERIAL TO BE BROUGHT INSIDE. 
          BUT THIS IS LIGHT OUTDOOR STORAGE UNDER MEDIUM. 
          LIKE I LIKE THAT THESE ARE VERY COMPREHENSIVE DEFINITIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE OF GOING TO THIS, THIS METHOD, IT CAN'T BE THE TELEGRAPHIC DEFINITIONS WE HAVE ON OTHER THINGS. 
          IT HAS TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          IT SOUNDS I LIKE THAT YOU DEFINED INCIDENTAL. 
          PARDON? I LIKE THAT YOU DEFINED AS BETTER. 
          OH, ON THE DEFINITIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          UM, I JUST CIRCLE AROUND 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE JUST GOING THERE, HERE. 
          SO IF WE STICK WITH THIS CONCEPT, CAN WE TAKE THE DEFINITIONS AND HOW, AND CROSSING THAT LINE BETWEEN LIGHT AND MEDIUM IS WHERE REALLY THE, THE PROBLEM IS IF WE'RE GOING TO EXCLUDE USES WITHIN THE DEFINITION, UM, HAVE TO BE, THAT HAS TO BE CAREFULLY WORDED WHERE, WHERE WITHIN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO THAT HAS TO BE CAREFULLY WORDED. 
          SO THIS, THIS METHOD IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THIS GROUP, WE, WE CAN TAILOR THE DEF REMEMBER I'VE HAD NO INPUT FROM ANYONE ON THE DEFINITION. 
          SO THIS IS JUST ME RINGING AMUCK  WITH, WITH SOME OF THIS. 
          SO IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, CONTINUE TO PULL THIS THREAD, WE COULD ENTIRELY NIX THE PROHIBITED USES SECTION AS LONG AS THINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY DELINEATED AND FOLD IT INTO THE DEFINITIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE ANY OF THESE PROHIBITED USES POSSIBLE AS A SPECIAL USE? THE I PROHIBITED WOULD BE NO. 
          IF IT WAS PROHIBITED. 
          WAS PROHIBITED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THE IDEA OF BEING, WE DON'T WANT IT IN TOWN OR NOT IN THIS, NOT IN THESE, NOT IN THIS DISTRICT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE MOMENT WE DO THAT, THEN EVERYONE'S GONNA BE LIKE, WHY DIDN'T YOU PROHIBIT DATA CENTERS? RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          WE SAT THERE AND SAID, WE CAN'T PROHIBIT A USE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WELL WE SHOULDN'T, WE, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS WE SHOULDN'T. 
          SO, BUT WE CAN, BUT THE MOVE AROUND ALL THAT BY JUST MIXING PROHIBITED USES AND CLARIFYING IN THE DEFINITIONS. 
          NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING LIKE INDOOR OUTDOORS, YOU HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FURNITURE PLACE, THEY HAVE SOME SELF STORED OUTDOORS IN I ONE, IF SOMEONE HAS, YOU KNOW, SOLID FENCING, DO WE HAVE REALLY A PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE STORING MATERIALS OUTSIDE THAT AREN'T HAZARDOUS? I MEAN, THEY'RE USING THEIR GREEN SPACE, THEIR PROPERTY TO STORE THE MATERIALS. 
          AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT DOING THE WORK OUTSIDE, DOES IT, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE SOMETHING IN THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OF IF YOU'RE GONNA BE STORING THINGS OUTSIDE, YOU MUST HAVE SOLID FENCING AND HOWEVER YOU WANNA PHRASE THAT. 
          YEAH, I LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S EVERY, LIKE, THE CONSIDERATIONS ARE REDUCING THE IMPACT AND NOT CREATING NUISANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO MAKING SURE THAT YEAH. 
          ANYTHING OUTDOOR STORAGE, IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE TOW YARD, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          YOU ARE GONNA POSSIBLY HAVE SOME PRETTY UGLY LOOKING THINGS IN THERE, BUT IT'S ALL GONNA BE FENCED IT AROUND RIGHT. 
          CONCEALED TO MAKING SURE THAT OUR SCREENING REQUIREMENTS ARE, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY, ANY OUTDOOR STORAGE, THEY'RE NOT ALMOST WELCOME NOT HAVING SCREENING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY DO THE BUILDING, IT MIGHT LOOK FINE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO ISN'T THAT PART OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SCREENING AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YES. 
          IT WAS JUST, IT WAS, 
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I WAS JUST GOING THAT'S DEFINITION BROUGHT UP. 
          NO, YOU'RE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          I WAS GOING A LITTLE BIT ON A TANGENT THERE OR OFF SCRIPT AS WERE OKAY. 
          UM, UM, SO WHAT I LOST IS, WHAT, WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE DEFINITIONS TO GET THIS? WHAT DISCUSSION YOU, I, I ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE THE INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DEFINITION. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANNA CHANGE THAT JUST BY DUMPING PROHIBITED USE SECTION. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT IT WOULD GO INTO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SECTION. 
          SO, SO WHAT, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? ARE YOU ABLE TO DO MORE THAT BY CHANCE? JUST, JUST TO DELETE THE PROHIBITED USE SECTION FOR THAT? WE HAVE OTHER COPIES OF IT, SO IF WE NEED TO GO BACK, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AND THEN TRY TO SEE WHAT THE FLOW DOES THERE. 
          I, I MEAN OKAY, SO THINGS LIKE PETROLEUM, REFINING, CHEMICAL MANUFACTURING, INDUSTRIAL SOLVENT PRODUCTION. 
          YEAH. 
          THOSE ARE PRETTY, THEY COULD BE DIRTY USES, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THEY ARE DOING, YEAH. 
          THEY WOULD BE REGULATED THOUGH, WOULD THEY NOT? THERE'S REGULATED, BUT DOES THAT FIT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO HERE IN TOWN? DO WE WANT COAL YARDS? DO WE WANT OIL REFINERIES? DO WE WANT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY WHAT? YEAH, WELL I'M JUST, JUST, I'M JUST THROWING YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT CHEMI, UM, HAZARD CHEMICAL STORAGE AREAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, TAKE, TAKE YOUR PICK. 
          I GUESS WHEN YOU START THINKING OF THE INDUSTRIAL LAND WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN THE LOCATION OF THE OLDER INDUSTRIAL OR THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL BEING MOSTLY IN THE CLUB WAY AND, AND ALSO THINKING THAT TOWN WILL EVENTUALLY EXPAND AND THESE SAME, SAME RULES WILL APPLY. 
          SO WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE COAL OR CHEMICAL PROCESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING IN SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE SOLELY BECAUSE EVEN IN I TWO THINGS THAT WOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY ARE STILL BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ASSUMING THE UH, I TWO AREAS, YOU KNOW, REMAIN ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THOSE THERE ANYWAY. 
          AT LEAST OF COURSE, ACCORDING TO OUR CURRENT OPINION, WHO KNOWS WHAT WE'LL THINK 20 YEARS FROM NOW. 
          UM, BUT I, I DON'T SEE AS MUCH OF A CONCERN WITH THAT. 
          I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          SINCE IT'S SPECIAL USE PERMIT, ONLY IF SOMEONE COMES IN, WANTS TO, UM, STORE LIQUID SULFUR, 5 MILLION GALLONS, LIQUID SULFUR, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T GET TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          NO, WE CAN SEND IT TO WINCHESTER. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
           MOST FEEL LIKE THIS IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING. 
          THESE WOULD FALL UNDER, NO SIR. 
          MOST OF THEM WOULD FALL UNDER HEAVY. 
          YES. 
          THE MINING POURING GRAVEL EXTRACTION. 
          THAT'S NOT, THAT'S STILL AN INTENSIVE USE. 
          THAT SHOULD BE IN THE I TOO, BUT ABSOLUTELY BY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          LIKE, WHICH IS ALREADY, THINGS LIKE THIS SHOULDN'T COME IN WITHOUT THE LEGISLATIVE BODY SAYING, GO FOR IT GUYS. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. 
          OKAY, WELL THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT WAY WE'RE NOT SAYING WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE. 
          IT'S, YOU ARE WELCOME HERE WITH STIPULATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE WILL, SO THEN WE NEED TO FOCUS, FORGET ABOUT PROHIBITED USES AND FOCUS ON IS THE, ARE THE DEFINITIONS ADEQUATE AND THEN THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT SUPPORT THOSE DEFINITIONS. 
           MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT MAKES FINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AS FAR AS ANY ORDINANCES GO, THAT WAS RELATIVELY OUS. 
          THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING  TOGETHER. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I KNOW THERE'S MORE, MORE LATER, BUT WE'LL GO. 
          QUESTION SIX POINT, 13.3 ALLOWED USES PUBLIC PARK. 
          WOULD THAT BE AN AMUSEMENT 
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PARK? I DIDN'T, I, WHEN I THINK OF PUBLIC PARKS, I DON'T THINK AMUSEMENT PARKS BECAUSE THOSE ARE PRIVATELY OWNED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WOULD WE NOT IF THIS AMUSEMENT PARK WOULD BE ALLOWED AN AMUSEMENT PART, AN INDUSTRIAL AREA. 
          I MEAN IT'S EMPLOYMENT RELATED. 
          UH, , IT CREATES A LOT OF NOISE. 
          THAT'S A USE PERMIT. 
          , IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE THAT AMUSEMENT THAT WOULD BE THE BEST PLACE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT. 
          NO. 
          I MEAN, WELL, LIKE IF SOMEBODY THAT THEY COULD LAND WOULD, IT WOULD FALL UNDER OUR CURRENT CODE UNDER RECREATIONAL FACILITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          RECREATIONAL FACILITY. 
          WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW IN OUR, WELL IT IS IN SOME, WELL IT'S NOT, ANYWAY. 
          NOT IN OUR CURRENT ITERATION HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          RECREATION COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT PARK WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THAT DEFINITION AS DEFINED. 
          WELL WE HAVE, UM, 16.3 OR 6 13 3 THERE IN MISCELLANEOUS ALLOWED USES, WHICH WOULD FALL OUTSIDE OF THOSE STANDARD DEFINITIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          THINGS LIKE OPEN SPACE, PUBLIC PARKS, UTILITIES, SPECIAL CHILDCARE, UM, WHAT DO WE WANNA ADD? RECREATIONAL FACILITY. 
          WELL, I MEAN, SUPPOSING SOMEBODY WHO IT CURRENTLY HAS AGRICULTURAL LAND WANTED TO BUILD AN AMUSEMENT PARK. 
          UM, THERE ARE MANY ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL LAND. 
          WELL THIS, THIS IS INDUSTRIAL, THIS I KNOW, BUT THEY'D HAVE TO GET RESOLVED. 
          THEY COULDN'T PUT A REASON PARK ON. 
          RIGHT. 
          OR ONE, SO THEY'D HAVE TO GET RESOLVED. 
          SO WOULD THIS BE SOMEPLACE THEY COULD GET RESOLVED? WELL, I MEAN, RECREATIONAL FACILITY, COMMERCIAL IS A SPORTS OR ACTIVITY FACILITY, WHICH IS OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR A FEE. 
          THESE SHALL INCLUDE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING. 
          INDOOR SKATING RINK, A BOWLING ALLEY, ARCADE, SWIMMING POOL, HARD AND SOFT COURTS, HEALTH SPA GYMNASIUM, PHYSICAL FITNESS CENTER, DANCE STUDIOS, OR SIMILAR USES. 
          SO I DON'T BELIEVE A AMUSEMENT PARK WOULD FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY OF SIMILAR USE PER DEFINITION. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, THE WAY I LOOK, I MEAN, MY OPINION, YOUR DEFINITIONS ARE, IS, IS OUR BEST FRIENDS  AS IT IS WRITTEN. 
          . 
          I MEAN, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN DEFEND OR SAY SOMETHING IS ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED PER THE DEFINITION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE DO. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN SOMEONE CALLS US AND THEY'RE LIKE, I WANT TO BUY THIS. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? AND THEN WE GO RIGHT TO THE DEFINITIONS. 
          THAT'S USUALLY ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS IS THE DEFINITION. 
          I DON'T THINK AN AMUSEMENT PARK WOULD NOT BE SIMILAR TO ANY OF THOSE ACTIVITIES LISTED UNDER THAT DEFINITION. 
          DID ANYBODY SEE THE ARTICLE? UH, THAT WAS IN, WELL I READ IT IN THE WRONG EXAMINER TODAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHEN. 
          APPARENTLY IT'S BEEN A SERIES OF ARTICLES ON RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE COUNTY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR UNIQUE LOCATION AS A TOURIST GATEWAY. 
          AND THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE COUNTY, BUT IT WAS SAME COUNTY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          COUNTY AND COUNTY WORK TOGETHER. 
          UM, AND THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT LOCATION. 
          THAT'S WHY IT WAS ON MY MIND BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEN WOULD WE WANNA PROHIBIT SOMETHING THAT COULD ACTUALLY BRING A LOT OF JOBS AND A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING TO RESTAURANTS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          AND AT THE MOMENT SUCH A, SUCH AN OPTION WOULD REALLY NOT BE BUILT. 
          AND IF WE WERE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT OUT OF ALL THE ZONING DISTRICTS, I THINK WE WOULD WANT IT IN THE INDUSTRIAL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          I MEAN, IF ANYONE HERE'S EVER BEEN LIKE KINGS INDIAN OR SIX FLAGS, THEY ARE OUT OF THE WAY. 
           THE OUTSKIRTS. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE OUR INDUSTRIAL IS, EXCEPT FOR THE PART LONG FLOODPLAIN, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT THAT THERE ANYWAY. 
          UM, RIGHT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THAT MODEL AS A BUSINESS MODEL, I THINK IT'S CHANGING. 
          PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE HUGE EXPERIENCE. 
          THEY MUCH MORE OR SOMETHING. 
          SURE. 
          WHICH WOULD GEOGRAPHICALLY MATCH IN OUR STATEMENT OF INTENT. 
          WE HAVE EMPLOYMENT RELATED USES. 
          WOULD, WOULD WE WANT TO HAVE IN THEIR EMPLOYMENT AND TOURIST RELATED USES THAT MIGHT AND THEN HAVE AMUSEMENT PARKS IN THE MISCELLANEOUS OR THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          CORPORATION FACILITIES? YEAH, SURE. 
           
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ESCAPE ROOMS. WELL, WELL, THOSE THINGS THAT ARE MUCH LOWER IMPACT, THOSE YOU'RE TYPICALLY GOING TO FIND IN AREAS THAT ARE MUCH CLOSER TO THE REST OF YOUR RESTAURANTS AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU COULD GET SOMEONE ON MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW, BUYING OUT, BUYING ONE OF THOSE SPACES AND PUTTING AN ESCAPE ROOM IN THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D WANT TO SHOVE THEM OUT THAT WAY. 
          BUT IF YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS LIKE A SMALL SCALE, YOU KNOW, AMUSEMENT PARK, YOU KNOW, IF DON LAND DECIDED TO DO A REALLY COOL UPGRADE , UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT OUTTA THE WAY LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, YEAH, IT'S AN IDEA BECAUSE THERE IS THAT BIG CHUNK OF LAND THAT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DIFFERENT DONORS, BUT IT IS A BIG PERSONAL LAND IN THE NORTHEAST PART OF TOWN AND BECAUSE OF TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, SO WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO ADD TO THE MISCELLANEOUS ALLOWED USES, WELL JUST TO NOT FORECLOSE SOME CREATIVE SOLUTION. 
          SO WHAT VERBIAGE ARE WE LOOKING FOR? RECREATIONAL. 
          WHY DO YOU THINK LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE SUP? WELL, THERE BE, WE STILL HAVE TO DEFINE IT, DON'T WE? WE HAVE TO NOT, NOT PROHIBITED. 
          THERE'D BE THERE, THERE'D BE TWO THINGS THEN BEING PROPOSED HERE. 
          ONE IN THE STATEMENT OF INTENT, UM, NEXT TO EMPLOYMENT RELATED USES ADDING, PARDON ME, UH, TOURIST OR TOURISM RELATED USES EMPLOYMENT AND TOURISM RELATED USES. 
          AND THEN IN MISCELLANEOUS ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AMUSEMENT PARKS, RECREATION FACILITIES, ASSUMING WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR AMUSE PARK, WHICH I'M SURE IT'D BE EASY, EASY TO GET A THEME PARK, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I FEEL LIKE WE ADDED MUSEUM PARK IN OUR UPDATES. 
          SEE, OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          IN MISCELLANEOUS USES. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN ADD ADD THAT IN. 
          BUT IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SECTION YES. 
          IN SPECIAL USE PER AMUSEMENT PARKS. 
          IS THAT WHAT WE'RE CALLING THIS? WELL, IT'D BE A LINE FOR AMUSEMENT PARKS AND, UH, UNLESS THAT WORD NEEDS TO CHANGE AND, UH, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES JUST AS THINGS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY THAT SPECIAL USE. 
          LET'S, I THINK I SKIPPED A ACCIDENT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SUPER POINT. 
          WOULD WE THEN ALSO APPROVED CHANGING THE, OR ADDING TOURISM RELATED USES TO THE STATEMENT AT THE TIME? SAME INTENT AND I, I DID ACTUALLY. 
          OH, YOU DID? OKAY. 
          ARE WE ON THE SAME DOCUMENT? UH, NO, NO. 
          YOU, YOU, YOU'RE GOING TOWARD ADD YOURS. 
          I'M JUST KEEP MY NOTE. 
          YOU YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE MASTER DOCUMENT. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP TRACK . 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN IN RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SO LEMME GO BACK UP TO THE STATEMENT AT 10. 
          UM, IF YOU THAT YES. 
          EMPLOYMENT AND TOURIST RELATED USE OR TOURISM RELATED USES MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SO SPEAKING BACK TO THE DEFINITIONS AGAIN, ARE WE HAPPY WITH THOSE THREE DEFINITIONS AS WRITTEN WITH THE, WITH THE PROHIBITED ITEMS REMOVED? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS NEEDS, THIS NEEDS TO BE A REAL GOOD GROUP. 
          GROUP . 
          I LIKE FOUR. 
          WELL, THE DEFINITIONS OF LIGHT, MEDIUM, AND HEAVY. 
          ARE WE HAPPY WITH THOSE THREE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU HAPPY WITH THAT? OKAY. 
          SO JUST REMOVING THAT, ADDING THOSE TWO LINES IN. 
          AND, UH, UH, NOW WE GET INTO ANOTHER THING. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS SOME OTHER, UM, SETBACK PROBLEMS OR SOME PUSH PUSHBACK ON. 
          SO WE NEED TO, YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH A DEFINITION OF THOSE USES. 
          YOU JUST COME, WE'LL COME UP WITH THE DEFINITION OF THOSE TWO USES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVEN'T LOOKED TO SEE IF THERE IS ONE. 
          THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF THE CODE CURRENTLY. 
          CURRENTLY. 
          NO. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE WORKING ON IT. 
          JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S EASY TO DO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S EASY. 
          DON'T FORGET THE DEFINITION. 
          WE LIST THE USE. 
          I WILL OUT OF COMMENT ON THESE THEN OF JUST NEEDS DEFINITION. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST THAT IT'S HIS RECREATIONAL FACILITY. 
          BUT WE DO, UH, WELL THAT'S THE SAME THING. 
          ONE, ONE LAST, ONE LAST THING. 
          UM, INCIDENTAL I'D LIKE YOU MENTIONED THAT BEFORE. 
          IS EVERYONE HAPPY WITH THE DEFINITION OF INCIDENTAL? YES. 
          MAY HAVE TO MOVE THE, UH, LANGUAGE TO THE RECREATION. 
          NOW WE'VE 
          [00:40:01]
GONE THROUGH BEFORE SETBACKS AND FRONTAGE AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          IN THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS NO, UM, UH, I THINK WE FINISHED THOSE, BUT WAS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT THAT WE GOT FROM, UH, FROM MANAGEMENT, SO TO SPEAK,  ON, ON THOSE PARTICULAR THINGS? ON LOCK COVERAGES AND SETBACKS? NO, I THINK IT WAS JUST TO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BEING SO SPECIFIC AND RESTRICTED THAT WE DISCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT FROM COMING HERE. 
          LIKE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT FROM COMING HERE. 
          I THINK THAT WAS THE OVERARCHING, THE OVERARCHING THING. 
          SO ARE WE BEING TOO SPECIFIC THAT A DEVELOPER OR LIKE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A LOCATION MANAGER IS GONNA LOOK AT THIS AND BE LIKE, AH, I DON'T EVEN WANT TO CALL THEM. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, STAFF THEN DO WE, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO FIND AN ENGINEER THAT CAN MEASURE SOME OF THESE LIKE VIBRATION THINGS AND THAT, THAT SOUND REQUIREMENTS? I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THE PD THAT HAST, UH, NOISE METER, SOUND METER, SOUND METER. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT CAN BE TRICKY IF WE LIMITED THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO I TOO WOULD HAVE INDUSTRIAL WOULD THAT THE EYE ONE DIDN'T HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARD BEFORE. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS ADDED. 
          IT ADDED IN. 
          UM, THAT GOES A SO ERRORS, YEAH. 
          I, I PERSONALLY DON'T AGREE THEY CAN'T BE MEASURED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT THAT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE, I'VE SEEN THEM, BUT IT IS TRUE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT TO MEASURE OR RENT THE EQUIPMENT TO MEASURE. 
          SO I WANT A REAL WORLD EXAMPLE WE'VE RUN INTO IS WHEN WE GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT, LIKE THE CAR WASH, SAY MM-HMM . 
          FROM PEOPLE SAYING IT'S TOO NOISY. 
          BUT YOU GO OUT THERE AND THERE'S LIKE LAWN MOWERS GOING AND THAT, THAT NOISE METER IS ALSO PICKING UP THE CARS ON THE STREETS. 
          AND I MEAN, IT, IT'S ALL THE NOISE TOGETHER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I THINK WE WERE HAVING TROUBLE FIGURING OUT IS THIS THE CAR WASH OR IS IT ALL THE OTHER STUFF? SO I, I, I'LL, I'LL GO INTO IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND SET A BASELINE NOISE FOR WHAT THE AVERAGE IS, AND THEN THE CAR WASH WOULD BE ON TOP OF THAT. 
          THE OTHER OTHER THING YOU, YOU WOULD DO IS, UM, THE PARTICULAR BANDS THE CAR WASH IS, WOULD BE MAKING THE NOISE WITHIN IT. 
          IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT, UM, A WALKOUT AT 12 O'CLOCK WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE CAR WASH, YOU HAVE MAXIMUM TRAFFIC GOING AND TAKE A NOISE MEASUREMENT. 
          IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DISCERN THAT. 
          IT, IT'S NOT THAT EASY. 
          BUT YOU'D GO OUT THERE WHEN THE CAR WASH IS CLOSED. 
          YOU, YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, HAVE A BASELINE NOISE, LET'S SAY A BUSY TIME OF DAY, GET A BASELINE, AND THEN YOU HAVE A BASELINE NOISE. 
          AND THEN WHAT'S ON TOP OF IT. 
          UM, REAL QUICK BEFORE WE GET INTO ALL THE PERFORMANCE DAMAGE, 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE GOING INTO THERE. 
          WE TECHNICALLY HAVE 15 MINUTES BEFORE WE NEED TO SWITCH OVER. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY, UM, THOUGHTS, COMMENTS, OR WISHED CHANGES FOR THE SETBACK, FRONTAGE, HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, LOCK COVERAGE, CORNER LOTS, UM, PERSON, I THINK THEY'RE OFF FINE, BUT I WANT TO TOUCH THOSE BEFORE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. 
          WE REALLY HAVEN'T CHANGED THEM FROM WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE. 
          NO. 
          ANY, NO. 
          SO THAT, THAT WASN'T ONE OF THE ISSUES. 
          AND I'M ALL IN FAVOR. 
          REDUCED SETBACKS GENERAL. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I THINK THOSE, OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          JUST WANTED TO CHECK THAT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT HAVING THEN GO BACK TO IT. 
          USUALLY IT DEPENDS ON THE ZONING NEEDS. 
          WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SETBACKS, IF IT'S INDUSTRIAL TO INDUSTRIAL, YOU CAN HAVE A LOWER SETBACK. 
          BUT IF THE ADJOINING ZONING DISTRICT MM-HMM . 
          LIKE WHERE WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL AREA TUCKED INTO OUR INDUSTRIAL OUT OFF OF SHENANDOAH, GEORGE ROAD, THOSE, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT SETBACKS, SCREENING REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE. 
          BUT THAT'S GETTING INTO LIKE A WHOLE OTHER, HAVING LIKE A SECTION ON JUST BUFFERING MM-HMM . 
          SO FOR THE STEPBACK SECTION, THEN, UH, AND THIS IS NATURE, JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE WORDING AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. 
          COULD WE HAVE JUST AN ADDITIONAL LINE HERE SAYING, UH, WHERE THE PROPERTY ABUTS ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL USE OR ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL, UH, PARCEL LOT, WHATEVER, THE SETBACK IS REDUCED BY 50%, OR YOU WOULD SAY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR MAY REDUCE THE SETBACK UP TO LIKE 20% OR SOMETHING LIKE YOU DID WITH MM-HMM . 
          GAVE SOME LEEWAY ON THE OTHER ONE. 
          YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO THAT AT LEAST 
          [00:45:01]
SOMEBODY'S STILL WORKING. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT DO WE THINK THAT SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NOW ARE WE HAPPY WITH 20% OR WE WANNA GO MORE THAN THAT? 20% OF 20 IS FOUR . 
          WELL, 20% WITH GIVING THE ADMINISTRATOR, WELL, IT'S UP TO 20%. 
          SO DO YOU WANT SAY UP TO UP TO 50? I'D SAY UP TO 50. 
          OKAY. 
          SO CAN YOU REMIND ME THAT WORD REAL QUICK? UM, HOW WE WORD IT IN THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION? IT WAS, UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR MAY APPROVE A REDUCTION IN SETBACK UP TO 50%. 
          AND, UH, MAY WHAT, I'M SORRY, MAY APPROVE. 
          APPROVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO THIS IS ONLY WHEN YEP. 
          UH, WINNING USES IN THIS TRAILER. 
          THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          I DON'T NEED THAT CAPITALIZED. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YOU WELL JOINING USE FOR YOU, UM, DO A JOINING DISTRICT OR PARCEL ADJOINING DISTRICT, SORRY, IT SHOULDN'T BE A USE, RIGHT? A JUST A JOINT DISTRICT, CORRECT? MM-HMM . 
          BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE A YEP. 
          BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE, LIKE, I MEAN, IN SOME PLACES YOU'LL HAVE A DAYCARE IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK OR LIKE A SCHOOL MM-HMM . 
          OUT THERE. 
          I MEAN, STILL HAVE THAT REDUCTION. 
          IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE STILL, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE IF YOU'RE YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DISTRICT IS THE RIGHT WORD. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST CONCERNED THAT, AND THAT'S IN THE EYE TWO, RIGHT? THIS IS I ONE, I ONE, I ONE. 
          SO LET'S, SO, SO IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, 20 FEET ASSUMING, UH, 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY. 
          UM, AND IT COULD GO DOWN TO 10 DEPENDING ON WHAT'S AROUND IT AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED. 
          BUT IT MAY BE THAT IT SAID, OKAY. 
          YEAH, YOU CAN ONLY GO DOWN TO 15 BECAUSE IT'S UP TO 15. 
          ALWAYS BE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE LOT WIDTHS BEING 65 YEARS, 10, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR ZONING RESIDENTIAL 40. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, ARE WE OKAY WITH ALL OF THAT? MM-HMM . 
          UM, WHAT DO WE THINK OF 45 FEET AS THE HEIGHT AND THEN A WAIVER MAYBE BY SUP MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          70% LAW COVERAGE. 
          WHAT, WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO NICK TODAY, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MULTI-STORY BUILDING. 
          AND NOW OUR CODE REQUIRES GEOTECHNICAL REPORTS FOR STEEP SLOPES. 
          SORRY, I WAS JUST, I NEEDED, UM, MAYBE WE WOULD JUST CONSIDER THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHEN WE DO THE SUP, DO THEY NEED A GEOTECH REPORT AND THE SOIL SUPPORT? NO, THE GEOTECH REPORT REPORT THAT WOULD BE LINKED INTO THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THESE COMMERCIAL USES WOULD FALL UNDER, WOULD IT REQUIRE THE GHA THAT WOULD, UM, SITE DEVELOPMENT TO DO ? SO YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE DOING A SITE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS SITE DEVELOPMENT. 
          COULD BE APARTMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR RESIDENTIAL THAT IT WOULD COME, UH, COME IN WITH ALL THE COMMERCIAL USES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UNDER THE SITE DEVELOPMENT. 
          I THINK IF I, BASED ON THE, UH, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS, THAT WOULD GARNER THE, THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE NEED FOR THE GEO FOR GEOTECHNICAL REPORT. 
          REGARDLESS IF IT'S ON 
          [00:50:01]
THE LAND, NOW IT'S LAND ON THE STEEP SLOPES. 
          BUT YOU PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE A GEOTECHNICAL REPORT BASED ON THE BUILDING FOUNDATION. 
          I WOULD THINK IF WE'RE NOT DO, IF WE'RE OUTSIDE OF MINOR, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD WANNA POTENTIALLY HAVE IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S PART OF 1 75. 
          NO, IT'S IN ONE 40. 
          THAT WOULD BE UNDER ONE. 
          WE, IF WE'RE DOING HEIGHT WAIVERS BY SUP, THERE MAY BE, BUT THAT POTENTIALLY WE NEED A GEOTECH TO DETERMINE IF GOING UP SEVEN OR EIGHT STORIES IS APPROPRIATE. 
          LIKE IF THEY WANNA GO BEYOND 45, THEY'RE NOT CAPPING IT AT 60 FEET LIKE WE DO IN THE OTHER ZONES. 
          BUT THE SUP, THAT'S WHAT YOU'D REQUIRE WITH GENETECH REPORT. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE NEED TO MENTION IT HERE. 
          IF IT'S SUFFICIENT IN OUR SUFFICIENT, I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS IT GOING THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PART OF THE CODE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND NOT IN THE ZONING PART. 
          YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH? RIGHT? IF THEY SUBMIT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND COUNCIL'S MAKING THAT DECISION, PLANNING COMMISSION'S GONNA HEAR IT, COUNCIL WOULD HEAR IT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT GOING FROM 45 FEET AT MAYBE UP TO 70 FEET IS APPROPRIATE. 
          THEY'RE MAKING THAT DECISION ON THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS. 
          WHAT METRIC ARE WE REQUIRING SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE? WELL, AND GIVEN, WELL SEE, THE, THE COUNCIL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE VOTING ON IN INCREASING THE HEIGHT ONLY. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD DEAL WITH THE STRUCTURAL END OF IT. 
          WHEN, WHEN THEY COME FOR SITE DEVELOPMENT. 
          IF THE, IF, IF THE BUILDING IS A CERTAIN SIZE OR DENSITY OR OCCUPIES A CERTAIN LAND AREA OR A HEIGHT, THEN THAT WOULD REQUIRE, FOR EXAMPLE, A GEO TECHNICAL REPORT. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT THAT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT COVERED. 
          WELL, WE, THAT'LL PROBABLY BE, SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN 1 48 SUBDIVISION. 
          IT COULD BUILD ANYTHING ANYWHERE, AS LONG AS SPENDING ENOUGH MONEY TO DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT'S GOING TO TELL THEM WHAT TYPE OF FOUNDATION FOOTER AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO PUT UNDER IT. 
          UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE MORE ON THE SITE DEVELOPMENT END OF IT, NOT ON THE ZONING END. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION OF IT. 
          BECAUSE THEY CAN APPROVE THIS AND IF IT JUST DOESN'T WORK ON SITE, IT DOESN'T WORK. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU, YES. 
          SO THEY'RE ASKING BORN UP TO, AND THEN IF THEY CAN'T, IF THE GROUND ISN'T STABLE ENOUGH AND THEY CAN'T DO IT, THEN THEY'LL JUST GO WITH ANOTHER CONCEPT. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE THAT AHEAD OF TIME. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE DOING THE SITE DEVELOPMENT IF, IF THE MATERIAL OR THE IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR THAT LOAD BEARING. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THEY JUST GET A PERMISSION FOR THE HEIGHT THAT THEY DO ENOUGH EXCAVATING AND BRINGING IN MATERIAL. 
          THEN YOU JUST HAD TWO SURPRISES RECENTLY WHERE IT WAS LIKE THE GEOTECH CAME BACK AND IT WASN'T GRADE, AND THE SOIL'S NOT . 
          WELL, WE DIDN'T REQUIRE THAT. 
          WE DIDN'T REQUIRE IT. 
          THEY DID IT ON THEIR OWN. 
          'CAUSE THEY GOT OUT THERE AND LIKE, OH, IT'S NOT RIGHT HERE. 
          WELL, THAT'S HOW THEY SHOULD GO ABOUT IT. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA INVEST THE MONEY IN THE PROJECT. 
          THEY COULD, YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          WE PLAN ON PICKING UP AGAIN AFTER THE NEXT MEETING. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU WANT GO AHEAD AND DO WE DON'T ADJOURN AND WE JUST SUSPEND? NO, YOU, YOU WOULD ADJOURN AND WE ADJOURN AND WE CAN BE IS WHAT IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, UH, WHY DON'T WE DO THAT, THAT WAY WE HAVE A COUPLE MINUTES, THE RESTROOM OR SOMETHING. 
          PICK UP AND BACK IN FIVE MINUTES IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          SO A SECOND CALL, THE A SECOND. 
          WANNA CALL THE ROLL? SURE. 
          VICE CHAIRMAN MARRAZZO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BROOKS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER NER? YES. 
          CHAIRMAN NEIL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER FEDERICA? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE ADJOURNED UNTIL SEVEN. 
          ARE WE GOING RIGHT BACK INTO A WORD? YOU'RE GOING RIGHT BACK INTO. 
          AND I'M NOT GONNA CUT THAT OFF. 
          NO. 
          I'LL, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND START AGAIN. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL RECONVENE NOW, OR WE WILL CONVENE BACK TO PART TWO OF THE WORK SESSION MEETING. 
          UM, STARTING NOW. 
          I GUESS YOU CALLED THE ROLE AGAIN. 
          WELL, I, I, YEAH. 
          UH, I GUESS, UH, YOU COULD HAVE, UM, TAKEN A RECESS. 
          [00:55:01]
YEAH. 
          FIRST, BUT IT'S BEST JUST TO START OVER. 
          TO START OVER. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO WE COULD , I'M SORRY. 
          I MEAN YOU COULD HAVE TAKEN A RECESS FROM THE WORK SESSION AND THEN, AND THEN START AGAIN. 
          WELL, WE'VE BEEN AT 11 MINUTES, SO  OKAY. 
          YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          COMMISSIONER MARNER HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER BROOKS? HERE. 
          CHAIRMAN NEIL. 
          HERE. 
          VICE CHAIRMAN MARRAZZO. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER FEDERICA HERE. 
          OKAY, SO WE'RE BACK TO, SO WE HAD, UH, JUST FINISHED TOUCHING ON, UH, MY GOSH, MOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ON THE HEIGHT, UM, THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, GEOTECH, BUT THAT'S JUST RELATED TO CCP AND THAT WOULD BE AN INTERNAL. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ARE WE ALL GOOD WITH 70% COVERAGE WHEN IT COMES TO THE LIVES? THAT WAS THE NEW COVERAGE THAT WE COME UP WITH NOW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, COULD I, AND JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          UH, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 70% COVERAGE MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S UNDER A BUILDING FOOTPRINT. 
          SO IT DOES NOT COUNT PARKING LOTS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE IN GENERAL GREEN AREA, THAT'S JUST THE BUILDING. 
          OH, THAT'S JUST THE BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          OR IT COULD BE THE STRUCTURE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, BUT 80% OF THE LOT, OR SORRY, 70% OF THE LOT AREA CANNOT. 
          SORRY. 
          WE'LL GET IT BACKWARDS. 
          30% HAS TO REMAIN OPEN. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN EASIER WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT ACCESSORY STORAGE. 
          STORAGE STRUCTURES ARE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, CORRECT? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING. 
          NOT THE MAIN STRUCTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS, OR SUGGESTIONS ON THE CORNER? LOTS SECTION? MM-HMM. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WE CAN GET INTO ALL THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UH, THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IT WAS, TALK ABOUT THE VIBRATION OF THE FIRST THING YOU MENTIONED ABOUT MEASURABLE. 
          UH, I, I GUESS MY, UM, UH, IT'S WHENEVER YOU RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE SAYS, I I DON'T LIKE THIS, OR I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOOD, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT DATA BEHIND IT, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO RESPOND. 
          UM, SO IF, IF, SO IF THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT VIBRATION AND THIS, I'LL JUST PICK ON THIS ONE SINCE THIS FIRST, THE VIBRATION AND THE MEASURABILITY OF IT, UM, WHAT'S THE CONCERN THAT WAS ADDRESS GIVEN , THERE ARE TOO MANY RESTRICTIONS AROUND THESE PERFORMANCE DAMAGE. 
          IT IS TOO DEMANDING. 
          THIS IS DEMANDING. 
          UM, IS IT LIKE, WELL, LET'S LOOK AT IT FOR A MOMENT FROM A BUSINESS OWNER'S PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE I THINK IT MIGHT GIVE SOME CONTEXT AS TO WHAT DEMANDING CAN MEAN. 
          UM, IF I OWN, I MEAN, WE JUST MENTIONED FIREARMS. IF I WAS LET YOU FIREARMS A, A ASSEMBLY OR, OR MANUFACTURING OF SOME SORT. 
          UM, THAT BUSINESS OWNER, DEPENDING ON THE SCALE OF IT AND HE SMALL SINGLY OWNED, HE JUST, HE MILLS AND MAKES STUFF HIMSELF LOOKING AT THAT WOULD BE INTIMIDATING. 
          AND THAT BUSINESS OWNER THEN WOULD NOT, IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT LIKELY TO DECIDE TO GO TO A NEIGHBORING COUNTY OR OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT HE MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS. 
          HE DOESN'T HAVE TO HIRE A LAWYER TO YEAH. 
          ENGINEER. 
          LIKE THEY'RE GONNA SEE THIS AND JUST SEE DOLLAR SIGNS. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          NOW AT THE SAME TIME, WE CAN'T HAVE NOTHING BECAUSE THEN WE'RE NOT PROTECTING OURSELVES OR THE PEOPLE FOR THE, FOR THE SAKE OF VIBRATION. 
          HOW SOME DISTRICTS HAVE DONE IT IS LITERALLY THEY SAY THEY HAVE SOMEONE STANDING THERE AND SAY, WELL, I DON'T FEEL ANYTHING. 
          SO IT'S GOOD. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER WAY. 
          AND SO THEN TOO TO THE, THE COUNTERPOINT OF THIS IS TOO DEMANDING, RIGHT? IS WE HAVE INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I DON'T LIKE THIS, THIS IS BAD. 
          BUT THEY CAN'T TELL YOU WHY OR WHAT'S BAD ABOUT IT. 
          THIS GIVES US SOME TYPE OF, SOMETHING MEASURABLE TO SAY, THIS IS OKAY BEYOND THIS. 
          IT'S NOT. 
          THAT'S THE GOAL HERE. 
          RIGHT? THE INTENT BEHIND. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE INTENT BEHIND IT, INCLUDING AND TO PROTECT. 
          AND THIS PART OF THIS, IT COMES UP WITH, UM, BACK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DATA CENTERS BEING ABLE TO MEASURE A, A VIBRATION. 
          IT GOES ALONG WITH IT. 
          AND SO SETTING THE TYPE OF STANDARDS AND, AND IN TRUTH VERY FEW, IT WOULD TAKE AN EXCEPTIONALLY NOISY BUSINESS TO FAIL THESE STANDARDS. 
          IN, IN TRUTH, IS THIS OUTSIDE OF YOUR TYPICAL ENGINEERING THOUGH, WHEN YOU HIRE AN ENGINEER AND 
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THEY'RE DOING YOUR SITE PLANNING? I DON'T ACTUALLY, I HAVE AN IDEA THAT MIGHT RESOLVE ALL OF THIS IN TERMS OF IT BEING TOO RESTRICTED TO DEMANDING. 
          WHAT IF WE HAD A LINE UP AT THE TOP THAT WAS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN A COMPLAINT IS MADE, THESE ARE THE STANDARDS BY WHICH WE'LL MEASURE. 
          SO THEN FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAS A BUSINESS WHERE IT'S NOT GONNA BE, THIS ISN'T GONNA BE A PROBLEM ANYWAY. 
          THEY WON'T FEEL THE PRESSURE TO GO GET AN ENGINEER, GET THIS ALL FIGURED OUT. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT APPLICABLE. 
          MOST PEOPLE, A PERSON ASSEMBLING FURNITURE IN A BUILDING IS NOT GOING TO FAIL THESE STANDARDS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO IF WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER ESTABLISHMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY COMPLAINTS LI MEASURED AGAINST X OR I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WORD IT, BUT HAVE IT BE THAT DIRECTION. 
          I KNOW, BUT CAN THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF STATEMENT SAYING THAT AFTER COMMENCEMENT OF USE, THESE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS SHALL APPLY IN THE CASE OF A COMPLAINT? THAT IF A COMPLAINT IS MADE, THEN THAT WE HAVE, THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M SURE THERE'S A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAT THESE STANDARDS ARE MET. 
          BECAUSE THEN YEAH. 
          SO WHAT IF WE, WHAT IF YOU, YOU, YOU COULD HAVE, I MEAN IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU COULD HAVE A BUSINESS THAT GETS PERMISSION OR, UH, APPROVAL TO OPERATE THE BUSINESS, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEIR FIRST DAY OF OPERATION IS OVER THAT THRESHOLD. 
          AND LIKE, WELL WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS BEFOREHAND TO DICTATE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. 
          SO YOU, I MEAN THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT IT. 
          YOU, YOU PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE THE MEASUREMENTS, THE, THE EQUIPMENT SO THEY'RE AWARE OF IT AHEAD OF TIME. 
          WHAT THEY NEED TO MEET THE EQUIPMENT TO DO. 
          THIS IS NOT RARE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S EASILY CHEAP, EASILY OBTAINABLE. 
          AND SO, BUT I, I KNOW THE TOWN PROBABLY DOESN'T OWN ONE AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RENTED IF THEY WERE GONNA, BUT IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO PROVIDE THAT MEASURE. 
          BUT NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S PROHIBITIVE 'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          WELL, BUT DON'T FORGET WE, IT'S TALKING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESSES. 
          I'M JUST WELL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SINGLE PROPRIETOR OWNERS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE SO HANGING ON BY A FINGERNAILS. 
          SO YOU HAVE NO STANDARDS, NO  YOU THINK THE USAGE IN I ONE WOULD GENERATE A VIBRATION THAT'S SO NOTICEABLE THAT IT'S GONNA GENERATE, COMPLAIN. 
          IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE RARE. 
          BUT THEN FROM THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM, IF WE HAVE TO GO RENT SOMETHING AND THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, HOW, IF I WERE THE DEFENDANT, I WOULD SAY, HOW ARE YOU QUALIFIED TO MEASURE THIS? AND WHAT, WHAT EQUIPMENT DID YOU USE AND HOW DID YOU AFFIRM THAT IT WAS CALIBRATED AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF? AND THAT PUT ACCOUNT IN ACQUISITION TOO. 
          NOT SAYING IT SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED NO, I'D SAY O OTHER PLACES JUST BASICALLY IF THEY'RE STANDING AROUND, THEY SAY, UH, I DON'T FEEL ANYTHING, SO I'M MUST BE OKAY. 
          AND LITERALLY THAT'S THE STANDARD PARK WITH VELOCITY. 
          I I, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF WE COULD FIND A WAY. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE A GREAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT WORD FOR IT, BUT A VISUAL TO THE PEOPLE IN TOWN TO SAY, WE'RE NOT, WE CARE ABOUT YOU AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO SURRENDER YOUR WELLBEING FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING MONEY FOR THE TOWN. 
          THAT'S ROUGHLY . 
          SO, SO THERE'S A WAY IN WHICH I LIKE THESE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. 
          THEY LOOK INTIMIDATING. 
          THEY'RE NOT MM-HMM . 
          BUT IN THIS FORMAT IN HERE, THEY LOOK VERY INTIMIDATING. 
          AND YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          IF I WAS, IF I WAS, IF I WAS A SINGLE, OH, WHAT IS IT? WHATEVER AN ENTREPRENEUR REALITY IS, IS I'M AN ENTREPRENEUR BECAUSE I LOVE DOING SOMETHING. 
          AND THAT ISN'T INTERPRETING PO INTERPRETING POLICY. 
          RIGHT. 
          THIS COULD BE A MASSIVE DETERRENT FROM ME EVEN STARTING HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, I LIKE, NO, I'M TOO MUCH. 
          BUT IS THERE A WAY OF KIND OF, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THIS REALLY WILL TELL THE PEOPLE OF, OF THE TOWN THAT WE DO CARE ABOUT YOU. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF. 
          BUT MAYBE THIS FORMAT, OR YOU COULD DO IT BY DISCRETION TOO UPON, DEPENDING ON THE INDUSTRY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THESE TESTS MAY HAVE TO BE DONE. 
          LIKE THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR CAN WAIVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ANALYSIS YEAH. 
          TO BE SUBMITTED. 
          LIKE IF IT'S LAND THAT'S I KNOW HAS NEVER BEEN USED AS A GAS STATION OR IT'S NEVER BEEN AN ORCHARD WHERE THEY WERE SPRAYING CHEMICALS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN I CAN WAIVE. 
          BUT WHAT IF THEN, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW PERFORMANCE DATA SHALL APPLY, ET CETERA. 
          NEXT LINE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR MAY WAIVE, UH, THE NEED FOR INITIAL TESTING. 
          HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PHRASE THAT. 
          CAN YOU PUT THAT AT THE BEGINNING? I WOULD DEFINITELY PUT IT AT THE BEGINNING BECAUSE I WANT THE BUSINESS OWNER TO SEE THAT GO RIGHT AWAY. 
          PAY ATTENTION TO THE REST OF THIS EYES SO CLOSE, RIGHT? 
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YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          FIRM COMES, I SECTION KNOW UPFRONT GENERATING NOISE OPERATIONS, , YOU HAVE OPINIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I, I WAS JUST THINKING WITH YOUR BUSINESSES, USUALLY FOR THESE THAT ARE IN THE INDUSTRIAL SECTION, YOU'RE GETTING A BUSINESS THAT IS SOME TYPE OF MANUFACTURING BUSINESS. 
          NORMALLY WE'LL JUST GO WITH THE NORMAL THINGS. 
          THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT TYPE OF VIBRATION AND NOISE THAT THEY, THAT THEIR MANUFACTURING FACILITY IS GOING TO PRODUCE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY, UH, THIS IS NOT LIKE SOMEONE OPERATING A SMALL BUSINESS LIKE A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS. 
          'CAUSE THIS HAS GONE IN THE INDUSTRIAL SECTION. 
          SO THESE USES ARE MORE, HAVE A MORE INTENSE USE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THEY SHOULD BE WELL AWARE THAT THEY'RE GONNA GENERATE SOME TYPE OF NOISE, SOME TYPE OF VIBRATION, SOME TYPE OF SOUND AT THE BEGINNING OF IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHERE WE'RE NOT TAKING THEM OFF GUARD REQUIRING THESE. 
          UH, SO I, I MEAN MY OPINION IS, I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER NOT IT BE DISCRETIONARY WHO MAKES THE, THE CALL IF YOU HAVE SOME QUANTIFIABLE NUMBERS TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK THROUGH, I WENT THROUGH LOTS OF CASE HISTORY AND STUFF LIKE THIS AND THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE GOT GOT INTO TROUBLE BY ARGUING WITH SOMEONE STANDING ON THE LINE, I DIDN'T FEEL ANYTHING. 
          BUT THEN SOMEONE ELSE DID FEEL SOMETHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T THINK THE MEASUREMENT SHOULD BE ARBITRARY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS, THIS WAS A ACTUAL STANDARD, UH, SORRY, IS WHAT IS THE INDUSTRIAL AREA OUT THERE BY THE TECHNOLOGY PARK OFF OF HAPPY, OFF OF, UM, HAPPY CREEK PARK? IS THAT I ONE OR I TWO WOULD BE? I, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ZONES THAT LEAVE. 
          WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S IMMEDIATELY HERE? THIS IS TWO, THIS IS ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT WHERE THE WILLIAMS BROTHERS ARE. 
           PROGRESS ROAD PROGRESS. 
          THAT'S PROGRESS ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S I TWO. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          I WAS JUST WONDERING JUST BECAUSE I'M LIKE, THEY'RE CUTTING STEEL BUT THEY'RE INSIDE. 
          I KNOW YOU CAN'T TELL AT ALL LIKE THAT. 
          LIKE UNTIL THEY INVITED US OUT THERE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT EXISTED. 
          I KNOW, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN IN THAT SHOP EVEN WHEN I'M IN THE SHOP, I CAN'T TELL THAT THEY'RE CUTTING STEEL AND IT'S NOT NOISY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S NOT NOISY AT ALL. 
          YOU CAN DO ALL THAT. 
          WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S REALLY GREAT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S TRUE TOO. 
          SO I, I MEAN I THINK THAT LIKE JOHN A. LITTLE BIT TO YOUR POINT, LIKE HAVE SPECIFIC MEASUREMENTS ARE VERY USEFUL, BUT I LIKE THE THOUGHT OF DO YOU NOT LIKE THE THOUGHT OF PUTTING AT THE TOP THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR CAN WAVE? WELL WAVE THE NECESSITY FOR INITIAL TESTING. 
          IT DOESN'T WAIVE THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. 
          JUST SAYING, HEY, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE YOU GO GET AN ENGINEER, APPROVE THIS BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU ARE NOT GONNA MAKE YOU SPEND 50,000, THAT'S 50,000, BUT OKAY,  IT'S A HUNDRED FOR THE INITIAL TESTING. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO STAFF'S GONNA HAVE DISCRETION. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SCOPE OF THE DISCRETION. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO BOUND IT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IS IS IT NOT BOUND? IF YOU'RE SAYING TO ME, IF, IF THE USE IS GOING TO COME IN THERE AND WE KNOW IT'S SOME TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING, WE REQUIRE THAT UP FRONT THAT THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF BASELINE, WE ARE GOING TO GENERATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF VIBRATION ON THIS PROPERTY UNDER YOUR THRESHOLD REQUIREMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          IN THE PLAN REVIEW. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE ON THE VIBRATION. 
          OUR MANUFACTURING IS GOING TO BE OH 0.01 INCHES PER SECOND PEAK PARTICLE, UH, VELOCITY DURING OUR MANUFACTURING UP FRONT. 
          THEY KNOW THAT THEY PUT THAT ON THE PLAN, WE REVIEW IT, IT'S THERE. 
          AND IF THEY EXCEED THAT LIMIT, THEY CANNOT EXCEED THAT LIMIT BY OUR CODE. 
          BY THE CODE YOU'RE WORKING ON NOW. 
          I I, SO IN THE, IN THE, IN THE SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNT OF WILLIAMS BROTHERS OR RIGHT, THEY WANNA START MANUFACTURING SOMETHING MOM AND POP, RIGHT. 
          AND THEY WANNA MANUFACTURE. 
          WHAT'S SOMETHING REALLY, LIKE IF THEY HAVE GENERATORS UP ON THE ROOF, IS THAT GONNA CREATE VIBRATION THAT WE CAN, THAT THAT WE CAN NOISE SET OF VIBRATION UP ON THE ROOF AT THE PROPERTY LINE? NO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT STANDING ON THE BUILDING OR IN THE BUILDING. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY LINE. 
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AND IS THE PROPERTY LINE ONLY ADJO? WHAT WOULD CAUSE VIBRATION THAT WOULD BE NOTICEABLE? PARDON? WHAT WOULD CAUSE VIBRATION THAT WOULD BE NOTICEABLE? MOSTLY LOW FREQUENCY NOISE. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE A DATA CENTER. 
          LIKE A DATA CENTER. 
          FAN. 
          FAN OR PILE DRIVERS OR YOU KNOW, OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          LOW FREQUENCY NOISE IS WHAT TRAVELS THROUGH THE GROUND. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE A MOM AND POP STORE, THEY'RE TRYING TO SET UP A SHOP AND THEY'RE PRODUCING BAKING SOAP, WELL THERE'S, AND THEY NOW THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME KIND OF OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA PRODUCE THAT LEVEL OF NOISE. 
          WELL ACTUALLY I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE THIS, THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE MOOT. 
          WE'RE SAYING THESE PERFORMANCE CENTERS SHALL APPLY UNLESS SOMEONE'S GOING FOR AN SUP, THEN THEY'RE JUST SAYING, YEAH, I'M PUTTING SOMETHING IN, IT'S BY RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA FOLLOW THIS. 
          AND THEN IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW IT, THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN GO BACK. 
          BUT THEY ALREADY KNOW. 
          IT'S NOT SAYING YOU CAN SCRAP THE ASSET EARLIER ABOUT GETTING AN ENGINEER AND SAY, UNLESS YOU'RE DOING THE SUP, IN WHICH CASE YOU'RE ALREADY DOING MUCH OF OTHER STUFF ANYWAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF IT'S, IF THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ARE VIOLATED, THEN NOTICE OF VIOLATION. 
          SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO PROVE UP THE FRONT. 
          THEY DON'T WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE SETTING UP THEIR BUSINESS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO SAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA, THEY JUST NEED TO BE AWARE OF WHAT, WHAT THE STANDARD, WHAT THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ARE. 
          SO COME IN WITH THEIR ENGINEERS. 
          WE WOULD LIKE WHEN THEY SIT DOWN AT THAT TABLE WITH JOHN AND I, IT WOULD BE JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, THESE ARE YOUR STANDARDS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO VIOLATION, WE BACK UP THE FOLLOWING. 
          PERFORMANCE STANDARDS SHALL APPLY TO ALL USES WHEN THE I ONE DISTRICT, HOWEVER, THE NEED FOR TESTING WILL BE ASSESSED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WITH STAFF EXERCISING DISCRETION IN ACCORDANCE WITH BUSINESS TYPE THAT SOME STAFF NEEDED TO HEAR THAT . 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE THE STANDARDS ARE STILL THERE. 
          THE STANDARDS ARE STILL THERE. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL BOUNDED BY WHAT THEY ARE, DID YOU HEAR RIGHT? LET ME READ IT AGAIN. 
          YES. 
          PARDON? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THE FOLLOWING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS SHALL APPLY TO ALL USES WITHIN THE I TWO INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. 
          HOWEVER, THE NEED FOR TESTING WILL BE ASSESSED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WITH STAFF EXERCISING DISCRETION IN ACCORDANCE WITH BUSINESS TYPE. 
          SO IF SOMEONE'S COMING IN DRI UM, BUILDING A PILE DRIVER, THEN YOU'RE GONNA SAY, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO DO THE TESTING. 
          SOMEONE'S COMING IN AS SAND ASSEMBLING TONGA TOYS. 
          NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO IT IN THAT CASE, ACTUALLY, WOULDN'T IT BE, DOES ANYONE WHO HAS AN SEP NEEDS TO DO THE TESTING? BECAUSE MEDIUM IS WHAT REQUIRES AN SEP ANYWAY. 
          LIGHT IF WE'RE NOT GONNA EXPECT ISSUES WITH ANY OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW. 
          WE DON'T KNOW. 
          ALL I WAS SAYING, OKAY, IT KEEPS THEM FROM VIOLATING, UH, TOO IS IS PART OF THIS. 
          THEY, THEY HAVE A LIGHT MANUFACTURING, BUT THEY'RE VIOLATING THEIR, THE PREMISE OF WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. 
          SO WHY? SO THAT STILL PROTECTS US. 
          I THEN, WELL WE, THERE ARE, THERE'S PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN I TWO AS WELL. 
          THIS IS JUST, THERE IS, THIS IS JUST I ONE, BUT, BUT IF, IF WE, WE JUST SAID THAT PEOPLE DOING I ONE AND COULD NEED BEFORE NO, NO, NO. 
          I WAS SUGGESTING THAT PERHAPS LIGHT MANUFACTURING DID, WOULDN'T NEED IT, BUT MEDIUM WOULD. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAIVING TESTING? UH, OR, OR, SO LIKE IF WHAT'S FOUND, IF WE GET A COMPLAINT RIGHT, AND IT'S IN VIOLATION, WE GO THROUGH THE VIOLATION PROCESS. 
          AND, AND ALSO THEY NEED TO BRING IT IN COMPLIANCE. 
          SOMEONE WHO'S I ONE MANUFACTURER MAY DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE THERE THAT'S NOW CAUSING THE PROBLEM, WHICH WILL CAUSE YOU TO BREAK THE VIOLATIONS. 
          SO IT, IT IS JUST PROTECTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IS WHOLE INTENDED TO DO. 
          I SUPPOSE THIS IS A PROTECTION IN CASE MOM AND POP EXPAND AND THEN START. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'VE NEVER SEEN BUSINESS IN TOWN EXPAND BEYOND WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. 
          THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. 
           WHEN BROTHER STARTED, THEY, THEY START OUT WITH , BUT IT, IT, IT'S, BUT THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY, THAT WAY WE STILL, YOU'RE STILL BOUNDED BY WHAT YOU'RE TESTING TO THE DISCRETION IS DEPENDING ON BUSINESS TYPE. 
          NOW THE, I IF WE, THAT'S, THAT'S STILL DISCRETION THOUGH. 
          I CAN'T SAY, UM, A LIST OF BUSINESSES THAT DISCRETION IS A LIST THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, BACK BACK TO THAT. 
          SO IS THAT ACCEPTABLE COMPROMISE? WHAT I READ OFF IS, I THINK YOU OKAY. 
          OR IS IT STILL, IS, IS THE ITCH STILL FERVENTLY, ITCHY, , MY BRAIN MIGHT BE FRIED FROM TODAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT WAY IT LEAVES THE STANDARD KEEP THERE, BUT EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO EVERYONE HAS TO MEET IT, BUT NOT EVERYONE HAS TO BE TESTED. 
          YEAH. 
          EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TESTED. 
          SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE IT IN THOSE CASES. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ASKING YOU TO READ IT ONE MORE TIME, BUT IF YOU DO THAT, UH, 
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SLIGHTLY SLOW AS I CAN TYPE IT IN. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          NO, NO, YOU'RE ALL GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THE FIRST PART, THE FOLLOWING PERFORMANCE STANDARD SHALL APPLY TO ALL WITHIN THE EYE OF ONE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. 
          HOWEVER, THEN THE NEED FOR TESTING WILL BE ASSESSED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WITH STAFF EXERCISING DISCRETION IN ACCORDANCE WITH BUSINESS TYPE. 
          YES. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          NO, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          UM, JUST, I'M THINKING OUT LOUD, IS THERE ANY IMPLICATION THAT THERE MAY BE RANDOM TESTING HAPPENING WITH THAT STATEMENT? RANDOM TESTING, MEANING LIKE, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO OUT THERE. 
          JUST FUN AND JUST, BUT DOES THAT IMPLIED THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, RIGHT? WHEN YOU JUST SAY THE NEED FOR TESTING WILL BE ASSESSED ON A CASE BY CASE BY BASIS VERSUS, UH, THE NEED FOR INITIAL TESTING OR PRE-SET UP AFTER BASIS, TYPICALLY, UH, NEED FOR TESTING UNTIL BE ASSESSED ON THE CASE BY CASE BASIS. 
          TYPICALLY UPON COMPLAINT, MAYBE WITH STAFF EXERCISING DISCRETION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS. 
          MM, WELL, YOU WANT TO DO, IT MIGHT BE NEEDED INITIALLY TOO. 
          IT'S NOT JUST A COMPLAINT. 
          IT COULD BE A NEW BUSINESS COMING IN WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO REQUIRE DO THE TEST THAT'S REQUIRED FOR EVERYBODY. 
          THEN THAT'S NOT CASE BY CASE. 
          NO, IT'S SAYING DEPENDING ON THE BUSINESS TYPE, YOU MAY DECIDE THAT NECESS BEFORE THEY CAN START OPERATION. 
          I THINK, YEAH, I THINK WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT INITIAL TESTING. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YEAH, WE JUST PUT IN THE NEED FOR INITIAL TESTING. 
          YEAH, I BETTER. 
          OKAY. 
          WE GOT THERE. 
          YAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ARE THERE THEN ANY THOUGHTS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS WITH THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AS THEY CURRENTLY STAND? YEAH, WELL, PRETTY EASY TO FOLLOW. 
          I THINK THEY'RE GREAT. 
          UM, THERE ARE A LOT THAT MM-HMM . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING WITH THE LOCATIONS OF DETERMINATION, I THINK THAT'S SO IMPORTANT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, OKAY. 
          WHEN IT COMES TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT, GO, GO BACK. 
          I THINK THERE WAS SOME PROBLEMS WITH, UH, THERE WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE, THE NOISE. 
          WAS THERE, UH, AN ISSUE WITH THAT MEASURING THE NOISE THAT WAS PASSED DOWN? I, I, I DIDN'T HEAR THE, I'M GOING SECONDHAND HERE. 
          SO, BECAUSE REALLY THESE ARE I WHAT THESE REQUIREMENTS HERE ON, ON I ONE I'M SORRY. 
          GO, GO TO THE TABLE FOR A SECOND. 
          I THINK WORK FOR A SECOND. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          UM, THE TABLE, WHAT THAT IS SHOWING IS BASICALLY THREE DB LESS THAN THE I TWO. 
          AND THAT WAS THE EXISTING I TWO STANDARDS, ALTHOUGH IT WAS EXPRESSED IN DBC AS WELL IN THOSE. 
          BUT THE STANDARDS STAYED THE SAME FOR TWO. 
          AND THIS IS THREE DB LESS, WHICH IS, AGAIN, IT'S A COMMONALITY WITH DB LESS BEING IT'S HALF AS NOISY AS ALLOWED IN. 
          OKAY. 
          I TWO IN AFFECTS WHAT THIS IS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THIS, THIS IS A COMMON APPROACH. 
          SO IT, IT, IT IS, WHEN SOMEONE SAYS EXCESSIVE AND I LOOK AT 67, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT FOR ZERO TO 75 AND ALL THE SIXTIES OF, OF THE, OF THE VOICE BAND, IT IS AT OR LESS THAN I'M TALKING RIGHT NOW. 
          IN FACT, I'M TALKING LOUD 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO PROJECT A BIT. 
          SO, SO IT, IT DOES TAKE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THESE NOISE REQUIREMENTS ARE, AND IT IS THE COMPLAINT THAT A BUSINESS COMING IN WON'T KNOW, UM, UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS OR I, I, I, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GO WITH BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NO MORE SEVERE THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY ON THESE STANDARD. 
          WELL, IT IS 'CAUSE I TWO I ONE HAD NO STANDARDS. 
          IT'S JUST SAYING IT HAS TO BE QUIETER THAN I TWO BY THREE DB. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S A COMMON PRACTICE PER SE AS WE GO TO OTHER TOWNS. 
          AND THE REQUIREMENTS, I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST GONNA REQUIRE IS THAT STAFF IS VERY SPECIFIC AND INTENTIONAL WHEN WE MEET WITH THESE, THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS COMING IN, OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE A GENERAL, HEY, HERE'S YOUR PROCESS. 
          LIKE WE REALLY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND EXPLAIN THESE WITH THEM AHEAD OF TIME AND THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS YEP, IT IS. 
          YES. 
          AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE JUST A SHIFT IN LIKE HOW WE OPERATE. 
          BUT THESE NOISE LEVELS ARE MEASURED AT THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          THEY'RE MEASURED AT 
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THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO THEY'RE, AGAIN, IF THEY'RE ASSEMBLING SOMETHING IN THE BUILDING IN AN I ONE AND YOU'RE STANDING AT THEIR PROPERTY LINE 40 OR 60 FEET AWAY, OR OUTSIDE THE BOATING 40, 60 FEET DOWN THE ROAD SAYING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR EVEN AT A CONVERSATIONAL LEVEL. 
          SO, AND I'M OKAY WITH THESE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S OKAY. 
          I, I JUST, JUST A CONCERN. 
          I I, YOU KNOW, COMING BACK TO MAKE SURE IT'S UNDERSTOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S OUTSIDE AT THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          I MEAN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT PREVIOUSLY AT THE MEETING SOMEONE WAS SAYING, THE ONE THING WE BROUGHT FORTH WAS THE SOUND LEVEL FROM OSHA INSIDE THE BUILDING. 
          RIGHT. 
          EXCEEDS THAT. 
          WELL, WE DON'T POLICE INSIDE THE MANUFACTURING BUILDING. 
          IT'S AT THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE THE SOUND LEVEL IS, NOR DO WE POLICE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE SAME INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S THE NOISE GEN GENERATED AS IT LEAVES THE PROPERTY TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO IF THEY HAVE THE BUILDING SET BACK, FOR EXAMPLE, 200 FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT EVEN GONNA PICK UP THE LEVEL AT THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          THE NOISE FROM THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND IF, IF WE GO A LITTLE BIT LOWER ON THERE, IT SHOW, IT STATES THAT THE MEASUREMENT DETERMINE COMPLIANCE AND THE PERFORM SUBSTANTIAL EITHER GROUND LEVEL OR AT HABITABLE LEVEL OF THE BUILDING OR AT THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY, THE PARCEL OF WHERE IT IS LOCATED. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          UM, I'LL SHUT UP NOW. 
          OR NOT . 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          NO, THIS IS GOOD. 
          UM, FOR ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, ADMINISTRATION, ENFORCEMENT OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, UM, NOW WE HAVE IN HERE PLANS SHALL PROVIDE SUFFICIENT DETAIL TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CHAPTER AND THE APPLICABLE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. 
          GIVEN WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. 
          DO WE WANNA MODIFY THIS SENTENCE? DEVELOPMENT PLANS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. 
          IT MIGHT BE LESS SCARY IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL WE WERE REQUIRED. 
          KEEP THEM WIDE. 
          WELL, WHICH, WHICH ONE? YOU, YOU'RE UNDER A NOW, UH, YES. 
          1315 A. 
          AND IT'S THE SECOND SENTENCE HERE. 
          GIVEN OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, WE MAY WANNA AMEND OR REMOVE THIS WITH CHAPTER AND FORM. 
          IF SHE'S ALREADY WA WE'VE ALREADY WAIVED IT, THEN NO, I MEAN, A A IS STILL SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE WELL, THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, BUT THAT, THAT WORDING IS KIND OF NOT, LET'S SEE, YES. 
          NECESSARY. 
          YES. 
          I, WELL, WE HAVE A ER, ADMINISTRATION OF, WELL UNDER A, THE ZONING PRINT PERMIT ONLY COMES WITH, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO YOU'RE THEN, YOU'RE, THEN YOU'RE DOING DEVELOPMENT PLANS. 
          DEVELOPMENT PLANS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE USE AND A SITE PLAN OF THE BUILDING OR THE THING. 
          SO THOSE, YOU DON'T GET A, WE DON'T ISSUE A ZONING PERMIT FOR DEVELOPMENT PLANS. 
          YOU SEE WHERE I'M GETTING AT THE ZONING PERMIT IS FOR THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FOR WHATEVER. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, THEN YOU HAVE A SECOND SENTENCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT JUST REFERS TO PLANS. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          WE'RE KIND OF PLANS, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ISSUING A ZONING PERMIT MM-HMM . 
          FOR DEVELOPMENT PLANS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT, UH, OKAY. 
          SO THE QUESTION THEN I THINK COULD BE SIMPLIFIED TO, IS A NECESSARY AT ALL, OR IS IT ALREADY YES, IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT ABOUT IT REMAINS NECESSARY? OBVIOUSLY, ZONING PERMIT, THAT TERM NEEDS A CHANGE. 
          WE MAY OR MAY NOT NEED THE SECOND SENTENCE GIVEN WHAT WE YES WE DO. 
          I, I BELIEVE WE DO. 
          SO I THINK THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE, PRIOR WHERE THE COMMA IS MM-HMM . 
          PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE STRICKEN. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WE WOULD GO WITH DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR REVIEW. 
          HOWEVER YOU WANT TO WORD THAT PLAN SHALL PROVIDE SUFFICIENT DETAIL TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CHAPTER. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE ANY GENERAL SUBMISSION. 
          BUT THEY DO NOT GET ANY, ARE WE SAYING DEVELOPMENT PLANS? DO YOU WANT SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN? WHICH PHRASE DO YOU WANT? 
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DEPENDS IF WE JUST LEAVE IT DEVELOPMENT PLANS. 
          IT COVERS ALL OF THEM. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          IS Y'ALL, WE'LL SEE WHEN WE GET INTO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, THERE'S MULTIPLE NAMES FOR PLANS IS, SHALL THE RIGHT WORD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          I MEAN, OTHERWISE IS THAT A SHALL OR MAY? NO, WE WANT, SHALL WE WANT? YEAH. 
          AND, AND THEN DO WE JUST END THAT ON, PROVIDE SUFFICIENT DETAIL TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CHAPTER PERIOD, PERFORMANCE REQUIRED IN THE CHAPTER? UM, ANY ISSUES, CORRECTIONS OR, OR ISSUES OR CHANGES WITH B AS IT STANDS IS OPERATOR RIGHT DOWN THERE? UH, YEAH. 
          BUSINESS OPERATOR, OPERATOR, OR, UH, WELL, THE OWNER, NOT NECESSARILY THE OPERATOR. 
          OPERATOR OR OPERATOR IS NOT NECESSARILY THE OWNER. 
          OCCUPANT. 
          OCCUPANT, UH, THE OCCUPANT. 
          SHALL WE SEE THE OPERATOR? OH WAIT, I, THE PERSON I CHARGE THAT BE THE OPERATOR, THE OWNER OWNER. 
          WE DEAL WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          WHY WOULD THEY BE GIVEN? YEAH. 
          OPERATOR. 
          AND WHY WOULD WE GIVE THEM NOTICE? GIVING THEM NOTICE GIVES THEM TIME TO GO, NO, IT WASN'T HAPPENING. 
          WELL THEN AGAIN, THEN AGAIN, YOU JUST CHARGE ONTO THE PROPERTY. 
          EITHER GET NOTICE I COULD KNOCK THE DOOR. 
          HEY, CAN YOU LET ON THE PROPERTY? WE'RE STANDING ON THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          IT'S TRUE. 
          IF WE GET A COMPLAINT, USUALLY I THINK WE LIFT STAND ON THE SIDEWALK OR SO YOU DON'T LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU'RE ? I MEAN, IT DEPENDS. 
          IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE COMPLAINT AND OKAY. 
          WELL WHAT WE, YOU GOTTA, YOU HAVE TO, TO THINK OF IT TWO WAYS. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU'RE DOING A ZONING VIOLATION, WHICH JUST WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ONLY GO TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE PROPERTY LINE PROBABLY IS ONLY GOING TO BE THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NOT TO SIDE OR THE REAR WHERE YOU WOULD BE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE WALKING INTO A VIOLATION OR NOT. 
          LIKE SOMETIMES WE'RE GOING TO SEE, WELL, SO BASICALLY THE SAFE BET IS THE ROUTE OF THE MAILMAN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU CAN ONLY GO THE ROUTE OF THE MAILMAN. 
          WHETHER, WHETHER IF THEY HAVE SIGNS UP, NO TRESPASSING RIGHT ON THE FENCE OR AROUND THAT. 
          AND YOU CANNOT GET TO IT BY ANY OTHER METHOD EXCEPT FOR YOUR, YOU'RE LIMITED TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE RIGHT OF WAY ONLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEN THAT WOULD BE AN INSPECTION OR RIGHT. 
          SO YOU GET INSPECTION THAT'S OUT. 
          IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THE ROUTE OF ASKING FOR, WE'D HAVE TO TEST SOMEHOW. 
          SO THAT SECOND SENTENCE, SO IT WOULD JUST READ THAT DETERMINATION OF VIOLATION MAY BE MADE BASED ON OBSERVATION BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNEE AND THE USE OF APPROPRIATE MEASUREMENT EQUIPMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO. 
          YEAH, I JUST HAVE THE, 'CAUSE ONCE WE GO THROUGH THE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS, THEY GET THEIR VIOLATION. 
          NOTICE THAT WE, WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR THAT TO DOCUMENT THE VIOLATION THAT WE HAVE TO STICK TO. 
          SO IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO THE PROPERTY LINE, YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          WELL, AS YOU WERE SAYING, IT CAN ACCESS THE PROPERTY LINE ON ONE SIDE. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO, YOU HAVE TO CROSS ANOTHER PROPERTY IN ORDER TO GET TO IT. 
          ACCESS, WE CAN ALWAYS GET A WARRANT IF WE NEED TO. 
          OH. 
          UM, ON SUSPICION OF, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU THINK THAT'S ADEQUATE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, THERE MAY BE DIFFICULTY. 
          I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY REQUIREMENT WHERE YOU GIVE THE PROPERTY OWNER WRITTEN NOTICE OKAY. 
          UH, OF AN EFFORT TO ENFORCE THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          EVEN, EVEN IF OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. 
          IT WAS JUST A CONCERN THAT WE'D BE VIOLATING SOMEONE'S RIGHTS BY TRESPASSING ON YOU. 
          CAN YOU JUST SHOW UP TO CAT RABBITS WITHOUT WARNING? RIGHT. 
          WELL 
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NOW IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ENTERING THE PROPERTY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          WE DON'T JUST SHOW UP AND GO INTO THEIR BACKYARD WITHOUT TELLING THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S IN EFFECT. 
          YOU, YOU'LL BE ON THE ROADSIDE, BUT IF YOU GO ON THE SIDE SIDE, YOU MAY HAVE TO GO ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY OR ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SAYING WE WERE GONNA THAT AND THEY MAY KEEP, THEY MAY KEEP, YOU KNOW, WILD DOGS TO ATTACK YOU OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. 
          TRUE. 
          OR THERE COULD BE SAFETY HAZARDS BY GOING OVER THERE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE CAR. 
          SO, SO I GUESS MY POINT IS I DON'T THINK OUR ZONING ORDINANCE NEEDS TO STATE HOW WE'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH THE LAW. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SIMPLE. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO COVER ALL BASE. 
          WE'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH THE LAW, WHATEVER IS REQUIRED IN THAT CASE, WHERE ARE C AND D SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST STRIKE, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF YOUR PROCESS ANYWAY. 
          IT'S JUST SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO GET WRITTEN NOTICE. 
          YOU CAN GO TO THE BZA. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE WE DON PUT THIS IN EVERY OTHER SECTION OF THIS RIGHT. 
          CODE. 
          THE VIOLATION. 
          THERE'S A BROKEN DOWN CAR IN THE FRONT YARD WITH THE HOOD RIPPED OFF THE TIRES MISSING. 
          WE DON'T SAY WE HAVE TO DO ALL THESE THINGS TO ENFORCE IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ADMINISTRATION PORTION SESSION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IF WE HAVE, UH, THAT, DO WE NEED THIS SECTION OR IS IT REDUNDANT TO, THERE ARE OTHER, IT'S REDUNDANT, BUT YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE ALL THIS OUT, IT'S REDUNDANT. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK JUST DELETE THE WHOLE SECTION. 
          I MEAN, I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND WHY YOU DID THIS MM-HMM . 
          UM, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH IT BEFORE, IT LOOKED FINE, BUT I JUST REALIZING ALL THIS OTHER CORRECT. 
          NO, THIS IS SO LAST YEAR, SO YOU'RE DELETING SIX POINT 1314, CORRECT. 
          THE WHOLE THING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THIS OTHER STUFF WOULD NEED TO BE RENUMBERED, WHICH I'LL START DOING. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO, WE THERE'S CLEAN UP THAT NEEDS BE, I'LL JUST LEAVE ALONG OPPOSED TO PUTTING IN STUFF THAT'S GONNA NEED TO GET FIXED ANYWAY. 
          BECAUSE LIKE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS WAS THE ADMINISTRATION ENFORCEMENT CHAPTER THAT WE DID OVER A YEAR AGO. 
          RIGHT. 
          BEFORE THIS GOES PUBLIC HERE, WE MAY WANNA REVISIT THAT LONG. 
          IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE 1314. 
          WERE WE'RE DRAGGING THAT OUT OF THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND 15 ALL IT, UH, NO. 
          SO THIS IS, UM, IT'S, UH, 6 13 15 ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. 
          THAT WHOLE SECTION IS BEING STRUCK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND GOING FORWARD, THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE TECHNICALLY WRONG, BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA GO BY WHAT'S WRITTEN FOR NOW. 
          UM, SO THIS NEXT ONE IS TO 1316. 
          THAT WILL CHANGE PLANS REQUIRED ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, SO THIS IS DEALING WITH STUFF THAT'S LIKE IN THE OUTDOORS. 
          YEAH. 
          PLANS REQUIRE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          , CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, I THINK WE TAKE OUT PLANNING, WELL ACTUALLY WAIT, IS A, JUST REDUNDANT TO WHAT WE SAID BEFORE. 
          B IS, YEAH. 
          UM, THIS IS EXISTING THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          PART OF THIS, MOST OF THIS IS EXISTING. 
          YEAH. 
          WHY ARE WE, WHY ARE WE SENDING OBJECTION. 
          THAT IS, THAT IS PRIOR, THAT WAS WRITTEN PRIOR TO JULY 1ST, 2025. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT COMES OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THESE NOW ALL OF A DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE APPROVED. 
          ADMINISTRATIVELY CHAPTER THE PROCESS SHALL, YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, IT'S JUST GO NOW. 
          UH, SIX 13 A, IT DOESN'T WANT TO GO. 
          NOPE. 
           A SIX 13.1 BECAUSE THAT WAS A STATE CODE CHANGE POINT. 
          16 POINT 
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16 REQUIRED. 
          YOU'RE DELETING ALL OF A. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT REQUIRE SPECIFIC. 
          SO JUST LITERALLY SAYING PLANS INSUFFICIENT DETAIL TO SHOW COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER AND THEN SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THEN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WILL REFER THEM TO PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          AND WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'RE JUST SAYING OUT THE WHOLE THING UNNECESSARY. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE, I DON'T THINK IT'S REDUNDANT WITH WHAT WE JUST DELETED UP TOP. 
          YEAH. 
          TOP IT READS UNNECESSARY TO ME. 
          WHAT AM I MISSING? WELL, UNDER A RIGHT. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT GET THE PLANS NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT PLANS AND SUFFICIENT DETAILS SHOW COMPLIANCE WITH THE CHAPTER TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR STUDY. 
          THEN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WILL SUBMIT THOSE TO PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS NO LONGER STATE CODE. 
          SO WHY IS THE ENTIRE PARAGRAPH, WHY IS EVEN THE FIRST PORTION NECESSARY? THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT SUFFICIENT DETAILED PLANS TO US FOR US TO REVIEW, WHICH IS JUST PART OF THE NATURE OF GETTING AN APPROVAL AND WHY WE HAVE TO RESTATE THAT THIS WAS, I THINK THAT SECTION A CAN BE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ALL NOW OUTDOOR STORAGE. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BRIEFLY BEFORE. 
          BB WOULD BE STILL THERE. 
          YES. 
          BB IS GOOD. 
          WELL, WITH C, UH, WELL, YEAH. 
          C, WHAT IS NOW B UM, WHEN IT COMES, WE HAVE ON NUMBER FOUR, UH, NO OUTDOOR STORAGE SHALL PERMITTED WITHIN ANY REQUIRED YARD. 
          ABUTTING A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          WE HAD SPOKEN BRIEFLY EARLIER ABOUT CHANGING THIS TO REQUIRING TO JUST BEING ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF SCREENING. 
          ARE WE OPENING UP A ISSUE THERE? IF SOMEONE'S BEEN STORING THINGS OUTSIDE THAT SHOULDN'T BE NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL. 
          MIKE MARTINS IN THE ALLEY. 
          . 
          WHAT YOU MEAN? WELL, THE ALLEY BEHIND MARTINS MM-HMM . 
          THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME NO ONE GOES BACK THERE . 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE SEA DISTRICT. 
          THIS IS ALL IS LONG UNDER OKAY. 
          UNDER THE INDUSTRIAL SECTION EXAMPLE. 
          THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF, YEAH. 
          WHAT WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A PROBLEM. 
          IT'S IS IT IS THE POTENTIAL OF BEING TOO RESTRICTIVE? WE'RE SAYING NO OUTDOOR SOURCE SHALL BE PERMITTED WITH ANY, WITHIN ANY REQUIRED YARD OF BUDDING RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          RIGHT. 
          DOES IT MATTER NECESSARILY IF THEY DO HAVE OUTDOOR STORAGE THERE? WHAT IF WE JUST REQUIRE SCREENING? WELL, THE PREVIOUS ONE REQUIRE, YEAH. 
          THE PREVIOUS ONE OF PRIVATE SCREENING. 
          I'M WONDERING IF WE WANT FOUR. 
          I MEAN, ON THE ONE HAND, YES. 
          LET'S, YOU KNOW, I, IF I'M LIVING IN MY, IF I AT MY HOUSE, I DON'T WANNA LOOK NEXT DOOR. 
          HOLD ON. 
          SO NUMBER THREE, ALL OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS SHALL WE SCREEN FOR YOU? BANK, PUBLIC STREET, IN ANY ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUY SELLING MASONRY WALL. 
          AND THEN FOUR SAYS DON'T PUT IT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL OUT FROM STORAGE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          SO DELETE FOUR. 
          DELETE FOUR CAN GO. 
          I AGREE. 
          ALL YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S ALL I WAS LOOKING AT GIVEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE REST OF I FOR NOW, HE DID. 
          SO WE JUST STRUCK ALL BEFORE. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          UH, OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND SALES EXEMPT SCREENER REQUIREMENTS. 
          THIS MAKES SENSE. 
          I BELIEVE OTHER, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CARS OUTSIDE BUT NO ONE CAN SEE THEM. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          ANY CHANGES, SUGGESTIONS, OR CONCERNS WITH THIS SECTION? MM-HMM. 
          SO A LUMBER YARD WOULD BE REQUIRED, BE SCREENED NOW? YES, IT WOULD. 
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UM, THE CURRENT CODE DOES ALLOW A YOUNGER LUMBERYARD IN I ONE BY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, IT MAY THEN BE BECAUSE OF UNDER LIGHTS MANUFACTURING. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S NOT, EH, THERE'S PROBABLY, PROBABLY BE THAT THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE SCALE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW BIG IT IS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YEAH, JUST MORE STUFF WITH, WITH SCREENING AND OF COURSE, COME ON NOW YOU WANNA SCROLL? UM, YEAH. 
          PARKING, LOADING REQUIREMENTS. 
          SHARED PARKING IS, IS ALLOWED, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT. 
          . 
          YES. 
          WHICH ONE ARE YOU ON? UH, G. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL BACK UP TO B. 
          OKAY. 
          AGAIN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          OH, YOU, YOU CANNOT REQUIRE LANDSCAPING. 
          SO IT SHOULD BE PLANNING ADMINISTRATOR OR DON ADMINISTRATOR. 
          WELL, WE'RE ALREADY GONNA REQUIRE IT IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR  UNLESS WE'RE TALKS ABOUT BEYOND JUST AFTER STORAGE. 
          WELL, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE PAST STORAGE ENTIRELY NOW. 
          SO JUST WANT TO GET RID, JUST GET RID OF THE FRONT FOR A SENTENCE. 
          IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? THE PLANS TAKING TRAFFIC SITUATION. 
          WE HAVE A LANDSCAPING, IT'S NOT STATING THAT THE LANDSCAPE JUST SAYS MUST TAKE CONSIDERATION THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL WORDING, BUT JUST TAKE THE WHOLE THING. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'VE GOT A SEPARATE MANNER. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO RESTATE PROVISIONS. 
          AND THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF LIBERTY ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          THE LANDSCAPING DOES REQUIRE, LANDSCAPE DOES REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PLANS BASED ON THAT. 
          SO THE SECOND PART OF THAT SENT SENTENCE, UH, IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YES, THE, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN REQUIRES THIS, BUT IS IT SUITABLE FOR THIS LOCATION? RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S SAY KNOW WHAT STATE FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE LANDSCAPING PLANS WE'LL JUST SAY REQUIRES A HUNDRED TREES TO BE PLANTED. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY SHOW THAT ON THE PLANS. 
          BUT THEN THIS DOES ALLOW, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION. 
          ARE THOSE PLANS THAT WE'RE REQUIRING THERE ARE GOING TO CAUSE A SAFETY HAZARD? IS THE LANDSCAPING, SHOULD WE UP TO HEIGHT OF THREE FOOT? WE WOULD, THAT WOULD CONSIDER IT AS KNOW, JUST 'CAUSE THEY PUT ON THE PLANS THAT ARE REQUIRED. 
          SHOULD WE ALLOW 'EM IN THOSE LOCATIONS? THAT'S WHAT'S THIS IS KIND OF LIKE, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THAT 50 FEET OF A CORNER OF ANY INTERSECTED STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW'S THIS THEN? WE'LL MOVE THE FIRST TWO SENTENCES AND THEN ADD IN IT FOR THAT LAST ONE. 
          IT'LL SAY LANDSCAPING PLANS, EXECUTION MUST TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AND MAYBE PERMITTED TO A HEIGHT, SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAD A LITTLE DISCRETION. 
          WE HAD A LITTLE DISCRETION WHERE THE PLANTS, THE PLANTS SHOULD GO IN. 
          RIGHT. 
          DOES THAT WORK? AND MAY PERMIT LANDSCAPING UP TO MAY PERMIT LANDSCAPING UP TO A  50 FEET. 
          IT IS KIND OF LIKE ON THE, ON THE STREET TREES, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE REQUIRE STREET, STREET TREES TO BE PLANTED WHEN RESIDENTIAL LOTS. 
          YES. 
          SPACED OUT AT 30 OR 40 OR 50 FEET DEPENDING ON THE TREES. 
          WELL, YOU HAVE THESE SMALL LOTS. 
          WE REQUIRE A TREE IN THE FRONT YARD BASED ON THE STREET DOWN OR RIPPED OUT. 
          BUT THEN THE OTHER PART OF THE LANDSCAPING SAYS IT CANNOT BE WITHIN FIVE FEET, FIVE FEET OF HARDSCAPE OR OVER HERE OVERHEAD. 
          UTILITY LOTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH OUR CODE REQUIRES TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD, THE SIDEWALK, THE STREET, AND THE POWER LINE SAYS THIS IS PLANTED THERE. 
          WE SHOULDN'T ALLOW THAT TO GO IN THE BACKYARD. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE WANT . 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS KIND OF. 
          [01:45:02]
OKAY. 
          UM, ANY ISSUES? UH, FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE AT I TOO. 
          WOO-HOO. 
          THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THIS IF THIS IS THE SAME THING. 
          , UM, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST I HAD THAT ONE OTHER THING I SENT OUT ABOUT THE, UM, UH, THE SPREADSHEET. 
          COULD YOU PUT THAT IN THE, UH, ACCESSIBLE AREAS THAT YES. 
          YES. 
          COULD, COULD WE OPEN THAT UP? MM-HMM . 
          PROBABLY CALL IT TONIGHT AFTER THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          WELL, WE DO NEED TO JUST TOUCH ON URBAN . 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S DO THIS QUICKLY AND THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO URBAN HOUR REAL QUICK AND WE'LL OKAY, I'LL, I'LL I'LL GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY NOW. 
          THERE'S ONE THING WE'LL BE REMOVED OFF OF HERE, AND THAT'S THE STR UM, COMPLACENT LINE GET REMOVED. 
          AND SO THE CONCEPT HERE IS, WE CAN'T PUT MY NOTES OUT HERE REAL QUICK. 
          OKAY. 
          PIG BACK INTO THE SOURCE OF AUTHORITY HERE FOR THE, UM, VIRGINIA, UM, CODE, THE 15.2 2080, UM, 2283 AND 2200 IS WENT TO HERE. 
          WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T REGULATE, WE CAN'T REGULATE NUMBER RENTALS IN TOWN OR SOMETHING IF THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. 
          WHAT WE CAN DO IS A PUBLIC HOUSE SAFETY, WELFARE, ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT, PROTECTION OF RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND HOUSING SUPPLY AND COMMUNITY STABILITY. 
          THE OTHER PART, ORIGINALLY WHEN WE SHOWED THIS THE LAST TIME WHEN WE DEVELOPING THE CONCEPT, WE HAD EVERYTHING GROUPED TOGETHER AS A TOWN. 
          WELL, AS YOU, AS YOU GO ALONG, THAT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          WHEN YOU START SEPARATING AREAS OF THE TOWN WHERE YOU HAVE A, AN R ONE AND ONE END OF TOWN, AND I, I USE MY EXAMPLE, HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE OTHER, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIFFERENT. 
          IF YOU IMPACT ONE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHANGING THE CHARACTER OR THE OTHER. 
          SO IT BREAKS IT DOWN. 
          THIS BREAKS IT DOWN THE ZONE TO 3% OF THE TOTAL. 
          AND GIVEN IT WOULD GIVE A CAP NUMBER BASED ON, AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE, WE'RE PROTECTING THOSE, UM, ISSUES. 
          HAVING TO BE ORDERLY DEVELOPED PROTECTION OF RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER IN HOUSING BY CIVILITY WOULD BE THE JUSTIFICATION TO THIS. 
          AND ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS OUT TO, UH, TO WHERE THE INVESTIGATION BECAME AND WE THEN WE CAN JUMP TO THE OTHER. 
          I JUST WANTED TO GET TOUCH ON THIS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE WITH THIS. 
          AND JUST WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IN COLUMN C NUMBER OF, OF SHORT TERM RENTAL UHHUH PERMIT, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE ISSUED. 
          NO, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO ISSUE RIGHT NOW BASED, THAT'S WHY I HAVE APPROXIMATELY, AND I HAVE A DISCLAIMER ON THE BOTTOM. 
          AS POPULATION GROWS, THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS GROW, I SEE THAT NUMBER CAN CHANGE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY GIVE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CONCRETE TO WHAT DOES 3% MEAN. 
          GOTCHA. 
          'CAUSE IT FORWARD. 
          I SAY WE'RE ONLY AT 27. 
          YEAH. 
          IT IT, AND FOR THE WHOLE TOWN. 
          FOR THE WHOLE TOWN. 
          SO IT PROBABLY ISN'T GONNA BE A PROBLEM, BUT IT GIVES A STANDARD THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. 
          AND THE OTHER THING, IT, IT, UM, I WAS MENTIONED TO LAUREN A. LITTLE EARLIER IN A LEFT-HANDED WAY. 
          UM, IT WAS CAUSING PEOPLE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE THAT ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE NOW THAT HAVE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          THEY HAVEN'T LEGALLY BROUGHT ON THE BOOKS. 
          NOW THEY HAVE A LIMIT THAT IF THEY, THE LIMIT EXCEEDED AND THEN THEY GET CAUGHT. 
          SO THEY CAN'T JUST SAY, OH, I'M SORRY, I'LL CATCH UP NOW. 
          THEY WOULD BE DISQUALIFIED. 
          SO IT IT ADDS A LITTLE TEETH THERE TOO, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT NEAR THE LIMIT YET. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          NOW WE'LL GO TO URBAN. 
          I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GO TO URBAN AG FROM, UH, I JUST WANNA, I, YOU'RE PROBABLY ON TOP OF THIS, GEORGE, BUT, UM, THERE'S A HB 6 55, WHICH HAS GONE TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THAT MANUFACTURED HOMES BE TREATED LEGALLY THE SAME AS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN DIS ZONING DISTRICTS. 
          DO WE NEED TO REFLECT THAT? SO IT PASSED BOTH CHAMBERS. 
          IT'S GONE TO BERGER. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          UM, SO I JUST SHOWED THAT I, I'M NOT AWARE OF IT SPECIFICALLY, BUT, AND, AND ALSO, BUT IS IT, IS IT, IS IT, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S EVEN RELEVANT. 
          DON'T WE HAVE LIMITATIONS ON MANUFACTURED HOMES IN OUR CODE? UH, ON, WE'VE WRITTEN, THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          WE'VE WRITTEN RELEVANT RESTRICTIONS ON THAT. 
          WE HAVE LOCATION ON TRAILERS. 
          YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. 
          MANUFACTURERS HOMES, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS MOBILE HOMES OR TRAILERS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S TEST. 
          NO. 
          HB 6 55 BY DOUG. 
          MICHELLE, MEL WILLIAM, AND WHAT WAS THAT? WHAT WHAT IS IT? HB SIX. 
          OKAY. 
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UH, UH, THAT MANUFACTURED HOMES OTHERWISE KNOWN AS MOBILE HOMES AND TRAILERS BE TREATED LEGALLY THE SAME AS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE SAME ZONE. 
          WELL, THAT'S, THAT DEFINITION IS NOT, WELL THIS ISN'T THE BILL. 
          THIS IS JUST AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE BELT, BUT IT'S . 
          SO DOES THAT, READ THAT ONE MORE TIME? THE TRAILER, UH, HB 6 55 CAN HELP MANUFACTURED HOMES OTHERWISE KNOWN AS MOBILE HOMES OR TRAILERS BE TREATED LEGALLY THE SAME AS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          THAT OKAY. 
          THAT'S NOT FACTUAL. 
          THAT'S NOT THE HOUSE BILL. 
          THAT'S AN ARTICLE, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO A MANUFACTURED HOME IS A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING BUILT IN A FACTORY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING, THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE FEDERAL MANUFACTURED AND HOME CONSTRUCTION AND SAFETY STANDARDS, MODULAR AND PREFIN MANUFACTURE CODES ARE MANUFACTURED AND CONSTRUCTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL THE BUILDING CODES. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          WHEN YOU PULL IT UP, THE REQUIREMENT IS THE HOMES MUST BE ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION CONVERTED TO REAL PROPERTY AND HAVE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          SO WE, WE DON'T PERMIT THEM. 
          THEY WHAT GOT WHEELS UNDER EM MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT THEY HAVE TO BE ON A FOUNDATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THEY'RE MIXING AND MATCHING THE DEFINITION. 
          THE ARTICLE IS NOT OKAY, SO YOU COMPLETELY ACCURATE TO, OKAY. 
          YES, BECAUSE, SO THE ZONING EXPANSION LOCALITIES MUST ALLOW MANUFACTURED HOMES IN ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WHERE SITE BUILT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE PERMITTED. 
          THIS PROHIBITS MORE RESTRICTIVE ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS FROM MANUFACTURED HOMES COMPARED TO TRADITIONAL SITE BUILT HOMES TO QUALIFY HOMES MUST BE ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A NUMBER OF MANUFACTURE HOMES THAT ARE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GOOD. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE WAS, WELL, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE TO GET WITH STAFF AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT COVERED. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE IS HB 1212, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE LOCALITIES OF CERTAIN POPULATION SIZES TO DESIGNATE ZONING FOR SMALL LOTS, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BUILT ON SMALLER LOTS. 
          WE'RE FINE'S ANY COUNTY WITH A POPULATION OF 50,000 OR MORE? I, NOT US. 
          NOPE. 
          WE ARE GOOD. 
          THAT'S THE TINY HOME THING THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT MANUFACTURED HOME, THAT COULD BE A HU THAT, THAT WAS WHAT WE REFER TO AS A HUD HOME OR NOT ONE UNDER THE BUILDING CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          GOOD, GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          MAKE SURE THE LANGUAGE IS, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS WHAT IS DEFINED. 
          YEAH. 
          THINGS ARE COMING OUTTA RICHMOND HOT AND HEAVY RIGHT NOW. 
          YES, THEY ARE. 
          YES. 
          A LOT OF ADJUSTMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, YOU WANT TO BRING UP THE URBAN AG ONE FOR A MINUTE? YES. 
          WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU, UM, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO BRING UP? UM, I'LL LET YOU LET YOU WITH THIS DISCUSSION, . 
          SO, YOU KNOW, UM, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A REVISED URBAN AGRICULTURAL ORDINANCE TO TOWN COUNCIL BY MAY. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO REVISE? WHY DO WE NEED TO REVISE IT? BECAUSE OUR URBAN AG STANDARDS IN 1 75, 1 10, UM, WERE NOT WRITTEN IN A WAY LIKE TO, THEY CONTRADICT KO CHAPTER 66, WHICH YOU HAVE NO PURVIEW OVER. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT CLEAR ON AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, UM, LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OVER AN ACRE. 
          WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SAY THIS? THE WHOLE CO THE CODE IS JUST CONVOLUTED AND IT'S NOT WELL WRITTEN. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO WE, WELL, I I GUESS ACREAGE SHOULDN'T BE RELEVANT. 
          CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE PREVAILING THOUGHT IS, WELL, I'M OVER AN ACRE, THEREFORE I DON'T NEED A PERMIT. 
          AND THAT'S NOT HOW THE CODE WAS WRITTEN, BUT THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN INTERPRETED IN THE PAST, NOT BY OUR OFFICE. 
          BUT, UM, SO WE NEED CLARITY. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS WE CAN GO ON THIS AND A COUPLE OF ATTEMPTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO GO IN SOME DIRECTIONS. 
          UM, WE, WE CAN BECOME VERY, VERY RESTRICTED AND, AND GO BACK TO WHAT A LOT OF TOWNS DO. 
          YOU JUST, THE ANSWER IS NO  THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT FOR, FOR MOST THINGS. 
          OR, OR DO WE RIGHT NOW WE SAY LESS THAN AN ACRE. 
          IT'S NO LIKE NONE, BUT MORE THAN AC IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT YOU CAN DO OTHER THINGS. 
          UH, ARE WE, UM, HOW WE, I I GUESS 
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WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE DIRECTION OF HOW WE WANT TO GO. 
          JUST ADD, UM, SO, BUT IT DOES, IT, IT IT MENTIONS 10 ACRES, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          10 ACRES IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IN THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          TO BEYOND. 
          IT DOESN'T, WHAT'S THE RELEVANCE OF THAT? SO 10 ACRES IS THE MINIMUM DISTRICT SIZE FOR AGRICULTURE. 
          SO, SO WHY DO YOU NEED, ONCE YOU HIT 10 ACRES AND YOU'RE ENGAGING IN AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS, YOU'RE NOT PRACTICING URBAN AGRICULTURE, AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS AND URBAN AGRICULTURE, TWO SEPARATE THINGS. 
          IT SPECIFIES LOTS LARGER THAN TWO ACRES, BUT LESS THAN 10 LIVESTOCK TRIAL AND BS TOTALING MORE THAN SIX HALVES MAY BE PERMITTED WITH APPROVAL OF SPECIAL USE PERMITS. 
          IT'S JUST THAT'S WHAT WE, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE 10 ACRES THERE. 
          THAT'S POTENTIALLY NEW. 
          RIGHT? WHAT'S THE RELEVANCE OF THE, BECAUSE THE DISTINCTION WAS THAT OVER 10 IT'S AGRICULTURE. 
          WELL, THAT YOU DON'T NEED THAT. 
          IT'S EITHER AG OR IT ISN'T. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RELEVANCE OF THE 10 ACRES. 
          SO THE, THE DIVISION BETWEEN ACREAGE, WE'LL JUST GO TAKE IT A LITTLE FURTHER WITH EIGHT DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS BASED ON ACREAGE AS WELL. 
          LIKE, UH, IF WE GO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT GOING THAT FAR ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          I'M JUST POINTING OUT SOMETHING THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RELEVANCE OF IT AT ALL. 
          SO WHAT WE BROUGHT THE 10 ACRES, IT'S EITHER AG OR IT ISN'T OKAY. 
          WHAT WE BROUGHT THAT'S PART, THE PART OF THE BROKEN CODE WE HAVE NOW IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          PARDON? SO TONIGHT YOU HAVE THE URBAN AG ORDINANCE WITH SOME PROPOSED CHANGES, RIGHT? THOSE NEED WORK. 
          UM, WE ARE SAYING THAT WE WOULD NOT PERMIT URBAN AG, UM, ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE ANYTHING BUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          SO IT'S GOTTA BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          WE REMOVED THE PORTION OF PROFFERS BECAUSE YOU DON'T PROFFER URBAN AGRICULTURE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS INACCURATE. 
          SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE CODE. 
          WE'RE NOT DOING SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR PIGS OR OTHER ANIMALS AND MULTIFAMILY OR, UH, LIKE APARTMENTS. 
          I THINK THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL CODE OR WORDED IN A WAY, BUT THAT WAS A LITTLE AMBIGUOUS. 
          UM, SO THE GOAL IS, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR WHAT ANIMALS ARE PERMITTED IN TOWN, WHERE THEY'RE PERMITTED, HOW MANY, AND, AND THAT THERE'S A LIMIT ON THIS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, PERMITS TO MAKE A FARM PRODUCT AND IT TURNS INTO A FULLY FUNCTIONAL OPERATIONAL FARM IN . 
          SO DO YOU WANT TO START GOING THROUGH THIS SECTION BY SECTION? UM, OR YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE? I WOULD SAY WE DELAY IT UNTIL APRIL. 
          APRIL. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAD MORE TIME TO DIGEST IT. 
          DIGEST IT. 
          AND, AND PLUS, I KNOW PLAYING AROUND WITH AN ALTERNATE WAY OF HANDLING THIS TOO. 
          AND, AND, BUT I I, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME PUSHBACK THERE TOO ON, ON BOTH METHODS ABOUT HOW RESTRICTIVE IT'S GOING TO BE. 
          UH, I GUESS PART OF BEFORE WE GO OFF AND ANOTHER ITERATION IS A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT, UM, WHAT THE VISION IS. 
          OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST STRIKING IN THE DARK. 
          SO THE VISION IS, I MEAN, WE NEED FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, WE NEED A CODE THAT IS CLEAR AND EASY TO ENFORCE. 
          LIKE, I, I GUESS IT'S ARE, ARE, ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW CHICKENS OR NOT? UM, IS IS IT, IS IT DRIVEN BY HOW MANY CHICKENS, BY ACREAGE? IS IT DRIVEN BY ROOSTERS? IS IT, YOU KNOW, BEES AND NUM UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBER OF HIGHS BECOME DIFFERENT FOR ACREAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M REFERRING TO. 
          UH, OTHERWISE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOING ALONG. 
          OR THE MORE RESTRICTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE IN A CITY, WHY YOU HAVE ANY OF THIS TYPE THING OR, AND THEN YOU, YOU HAVE, I I GUESS THAT'S WHERE GOING, OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST GUESSING WHEN WE'RE PUTTING THESE TOGETHER, WHICH IS, I, I THINK, I THINK THE REASON FOR IT, AND I THINK THE GENTLEMAN WHO CAME AND SPOKE CRIMINALLY MM-HMM. 
          UH, MADE IT CLEAR HE EATS THEM. 
          HE DEPENDS UPON HIS IS PROHIBITED IN TOWN. 
          WHERE'S HE, HE DIDN'T SAY WHERE IS HE KILLING HIM? WELL, HE SAID THEY GO TO THE FREEZER CAMP. 
          THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. 
          THOSE ARE HIS RIGHTS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT'S A FREEZER KEY? PUT 'EM IN THE FREEZER AND THEN 
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THEY DIE ALIVE. 
          WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          IT'S A EUPHEMISM. 
          IT'S A EUPHEMISM. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE HE, I THOUGHT YOU, THE POINT IS HE DEPENDS UPON THEM FOR HIS DAILY LIFE AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHICKENS DEPEND UPON THEM TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEHIND THE NEED FOR URBAN AG. 
          PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CHEMICALS AND ADDITIVES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF WANT HEALTHY FOOD. 
          THAT'S A NATIONWIDE WORLDWIDE TREND. 
          SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S GREAT, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LIMIT TO WHICH THE NOVELTY WEARS OFF AND THEY REPRODUCE. 
          AND THEN YOU'RE GETTING INTO, IS THIS A PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARD? I MEAN, WHAT IS GETTING INTO OUR WATER WHEN YOU, I MEAN, WE'RE 10 SQUARE MILES, HOW MANY CHICKENS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE ON THEIR PIECES OF PROPERTY? LIKE AT WHAT POINT ARE WELL, I MEAN, WE COULD DO THAT WITH HOW MANY SKUNKS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR, BUT THOSE ARE WILD. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, PEOPLE AREN'T BRINGING, WE'RE NOT REGULATING WILD ANIMALS, BUT WE CAN REGULATE HOW MANY CHICKENS IS SOMEBODY HAVING ON THEIR PROPERTY AND, AND, AND ARE THEY RUNNING AT LARGE? ARE THEY LIKE, DO THEY, ARE THEY BEING WELL TAKEN CARE OF? BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO FOR THE ANIMAL'S SAKE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE COAT ALREADY RESTRICT THAT WITH NO, IT, IT'S NOT THE GARAGE THAT THEY'RE IN. 
          WE TRIED AND THEN COUNCIL DENIED IT. 
          SO, OR SHUT IT DOWN THE LAST TIME WE TRIED TWO YEARS AGO. 
          SO IN THAT ONE, WE TRIED TO CODIFY MINIMUM SPACES LIKE COOP SPACE AND RUN AREA PER CHICKEN TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS SAFE AND APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, AND THAT WASN'T WHY THEY TURNED IT DOWN. 
          THEY DIDN'T TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          THEY TOOK ISSUE WITH LIKE FREE RANGE CHICKEN, WHICH WE'RE NEVER GONNA RECOMMEND THAT CHICKENS ARE RUNNING AT LARGE CAP. 
          AND THE OTHER SIDE THAT'S, THAT HAS A TOUCH OF IRONY TO IT IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO TO THE STORE, IF YOU BUY CHICKEN MEAT, THAT'S WHERE THEY SAY IT'S FREE RANGE. 
          IT JUST MEANS THEY WERE IN A BIG WAREHOUSE. 
          THEY CAN BUMP INTO EACH OTHER THERE. 
          IT, IT'S DOESN'T MEAN MUCH. 
          UM, AND IT, IT IS THAT BALANCE BECAUSE PEOPLE MOVE IN TOWN NECESSARILY. 
          THEY, THEY DIDN'T COUNT ON HAVING FARM ANIMALS NEXT DOOR. 
          TO THE SAME TOKEN, THERE'S PEOPLE IN TOWN THAT DO WANT THAT AND MAJORITY MINORITY AREN'T NECESSARILY, UM, RELEVANT. 
          THIS 'CAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO PROTECT, FIND TO COMPROMISE THAT THAT GOES ACROSS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE REGULATION SHOULD BE IS THAT COMPROMISE. 
          AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE KICKING AROUND THAT TIERED PERFORMANCE OF WHERE IT IS AND ISN'T AND HAVING BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYBODY. 
          BUT, UH, WHAT IF WE'RE GO BACK AND WORK ON IT AGAIN, IF, IF THE, THAT THAT'S WHAT, UM, ME NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION OR, UM, I WOULD JUST COME UP WITH ANOTHER GUESS. 
          I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, POPULATION LIMITS DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? AND GO, I HAVE A LITTLE LIKE QUARTER ACRE OR SOMETHING. 
          I'M NOT GONNA BE SET UP TO HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT AS SOMEONE WHO HAS AN ACRE OR TWO ACRES AND IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE. 
          AND I THINK HAVING THOSE THINGS BE LOOSER, YOU KNOW, THE LARGER YOUR PROPERTY IS. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE NUMBER OF THEM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PERSON BEFORE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENT, UH, TED KANE BROUGHT UP A REALLY GOOD POINT. 
          RABBITS BREED LIKE RABBITS. 
          AND THERE COMES A POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE DOING YOUR BEST, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE DAY YOU HAVE 10 MORE WORDING, AS HE SAID, THE HANDLE WHERE THE TRANSITION STATE THAT CONNECT CLEAN MORE ADULT, THAT THAT COULD BE STUCK IN THERE. 
          BUT, BUT THE BASIC PREMISE OF ARE, ARE WE WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW URBAN AG IN THIS TOWN, IS JUST FINDING PROPER STANDARDS TO DO IT. 
          IS IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT? RIGHT. 
          I'M NOT GETTING GUIDANCE THAT WE NEED TO ABOLISH ALL URBAN AG. 
          IT'S JUST WE NEED TO BE REASONABLE WITH IT. 
          LIKE, SO, SO STAFF'S NEVER GONNA RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE ROOSTERS IN TOWN, WHICH HAPPEN? NO, NO. 
          ANYWHERE IN TOWN. 
          ANYWHERE IN TOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          STERS. 
          WHICH IS WHY WE'RE NOT GONNA END UP WITH A HUNDRED SHIPS AND LASER LAKE. 
          WELL IT IS INTERESTING. 
          THE ARGUMENTS TO HAVE ROOSTERS IS KIND OF INTERESTING IF YOU EVER WANT YEAH, I I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          IT IS PERFECTLY OKAY TO HAVE DOGS THAT BARK LIKE CRAZY AND KEEP YOU UP ALL NIGHT. 
          BUT IT'S NOT OKAY TO HAVE A EASTER. 
          IT'S NOT OKAY TO HAVE DOGS THAT BARK ALL NIGHT. 
          YOU SHOULD BE CALLING THE PD WHEN THEY BARK ALL NIGHT. 
          LIKE THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE. 
          OH MY GOSH. 
          ARE YOU SERIOUS? YES. 
          SO, SO CALL AND COMPLAIN. 
          THE NEIGHBOR'S DOGS ARE BARKING ALL NIGHT. 
          THAT'S NOT OKAY. 
          SO GENERAL STANDARDS THOUGH, WE STILL ON QUA PARDON? QUARTER ACRE, QUARTER ACRE 
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LOTS OR YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD OR LESS THAN ONE ACRE LOTS. 
          WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING THE, THE BASIC, THE BEES, THE UM, SIX CHICKEN AND THAT SORT OF THING AND THE RABBITS, THE SOME RIDE WITH POSSIBLY ADDING A CONDITION THAT'S OKAY TO HAVE BABIES AS LONG AS THEY DON'T GET OLDER THAN SOMETHING BETTER THAT GOES ON FOR ANYTHING LARGER THAN ONE ACRE. 
          WE'RE STILL NOT GONNA ALLOW ROOSTERS EVEN ANYWHERE IN TOWN. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR. 
          STANDARD. 
          I MEAN, ROOSTERS CAN IN SOME CASES BE HEARD UP TO A MILE AWAY. 
          I NO, I I MEAN THEY'RE NOT QUIET. 
          I'M NOT GONNA HEAR MY NEIGHBOR. 
          LIKE, I DON'T HEAR MY NEIGHBOR'S DOGS BARKING NOW OR LIKE A MILE AWAY. 
          UM, JUST SAY AT ONE POINT AND ANOTHER POINT, SOMEBODY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, DIFFERENT SIDES OF MY HOUSE HAD ROOSTERS AT SOME POINT, BUT I ONLY HEARD THEM CROW DURING THE DAY. 
          I NEVER HEARD THEM. 
          IT WAS CRACK DOG. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WHEN DO ROOSTERS CROW WHENEVER THEY WANT TO, WHENEVER LIKE FEEL LIKE IT. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY WAKE PEOPLE UP. 
          NO, THAT'S, WELL, THEY WILL WAKE YOU UP IF THEY'RE ROOSTER. 
          IT CROWS EARLY IN THE MORNING. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY NEVER SHUT UP WHEN THEY WERE THERE. 
          IT DEPENDS IF IT'S A MORNING ROOSTER, IF HE'S LIKE A MORNING PERSON, , WE ALL HAVE SOMETHING TO CURL OUT ON. 
          GUESS EVENTUALLY. 
          BUT THE WHOLE THING IS ABOUT MANAGING AND MITIGATING NUISANCE AND THAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE TO AN EXTENT HAVE YOUR CHICKENS, BUT AT SOME POINT, IF THAT'S YOUR LIFESTYLE, HAVE IT IN THE COUNTY ON LARGER LOTS. 
          WELL, BUT DID YOU SEND OUT A DOCUMENT ALREADY? IT'S IN THE AGENDA. 
          OH, TODAY? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THIS GOES, NO, IT'S IN THE AGENDA THAT I SENT OUT LAST WEEK. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, BUT POOR TODAY. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          GET THE LIVESTOCK IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ANIMALS WHERE THE GOATS AND THOSE THINGS ARE LARGER GOATS, COWS, HORSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST, AND IN AN AGRICULTURAL ZONE THEY, THEY CAN, THEY CAN HAVE THE LIVESTOCK. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY CAN HAVE THE FORCES AND THE COWS. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TWO, TWO ZONES. 
          IT'S AGRICULTURAL OR IT'S NOT AS, AS HE'S SAYING, BUT WE'RE SAYING AN ACRE OR S HAS ONE SET OF REGULATIONS. 
          EVERYTHING ABOVE IT HAS ANOTHER IS THAT REALLY WILL GO HELP YOU ARE EITHER GONNA BE ZONED AGRICULTURE MM-HMM . 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN AGRICULTURAL ZONE. 
          AND IN THAT AGRICULTURAL ZONE, IF THE PARCEL IS GREATER THAN 10 ACRES, 'CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE SOME THAT ARE NOT, BUT I THINK MOST OF 'EM ARE OVER 10 ACRES, THEN YOU CAN BE ENGAGED IN AGRICULTURAL PURSUITS. 
          OKAY. 
          ONLY IN AGRICULTURAL ZONED PROPERTIES. 
          OH, I, I'M, YEAH, I'M LOOKING REFERRING, I'M SORRY, I MAY HAVE MISSPOKEN THE WORDS. 
          THE URBAN AGRICULTURE. 
          SO, SO THE URBAN AG, URBAN AG IS WHAT I'M REFERRING TO. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THAT SHOULD BE, WOULD BE ALL THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOTS. 
          ANYTHING ZONED RESIDENTIAL RE REGARDLESS OF THEIR ACREAGE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'D BE CONSIDERING. 
          SO PUT IT ALL INTO ONE INSTEAD OF DIVIDING UP THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, WHETHER THAT WHETHER THAT AGRICULTURAL URBAN AG SHOULD BE PERMITTED IN THE R ONE, R TWO, R THREE RE OR S THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING YOU SHOULD CONSIDER. 
          NOT EVERYBODY IN THE R ONE, R TWO, R THREE SHOULD BE PERMITTED, HAVE AN URBAN AG. 
          WHY NOT? BECAUSE OF THE CONFINES OF THE LOT. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO MEET CERTAIN SETBACKS AND SURE. 
          SO THE EXAMPLE WITH THE, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN THIS EVENING MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT? SO WE LIMIT IT BY CODE SIX RABBITS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHEN I, WHEN I WENT OUT, I'LL JUST SAY I DID THE, HIS INSPECTION MM-HMM . 
          NOW HE, HE HE, HE EXPRESSED THAT HE HAS WHATEVER, FOUR FEMALE RABBITS. 
          WHEN THOSE FOUR FEMALE RABBITS RE REPRODUCE FIVE LITTLE RABBITS, NOW HE HAS 20 RA SMALL RABBITS PLUS THE FIVE ADULTS. 
          NOW HE'S AT 25 RABBITS. 
          HE'S IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE. 
          THE CODE SAYS SIX RABBITS. 
          NOW HE'S ASKING FOR ME TO DETERMINE IS THESE RABBITS NINE WEEKS OLD OR ARE THEY 13 WEEKS OLD OR ARE THEY 15 WEEKS OLD, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          YOU NEED A LITTLE BIRTH. 
          SO RIGHT. 
          SO IS HE TELLING ME WHEN I GO OUT THERE AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY 16 WEEKS OLD, HE SAID NO, THEY'RE EIGHT WEEKS OLD. 
          I SHOULD HAVE 25 RABBITS. 
          THAT'S WHY THE NUMBER IS LIMITED TO SIX RABBITS REGARDLESS OF THE AGE. 
          SO YOU DON'T GET A PERMIT FOR SIX RABBITS AND THE NEXT TIME YOU DO AN INSPECTION, HE HAS 25 RABBITS ON A RESIDENTIAL BLOCK. 
          I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          SO, BUT HE CAN GET 
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OUTTA HAND WITH RABBITS QUICKLY. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY, IT'S SAYING THAT THEY ARE NOT, THEY'RE BASICALLY NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE PETS. 
          THEY'RE NOT THE FOOD WHEN YOU'RE GETTING OUTTA SIX ON IN JUST SIX. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE APPLICATIONS WHERE THERE ARE PET RABBITS OUTSIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE HAVE APPLICATIONS WHERE THEY'RE NOT PET RABBITS. 
          I SAY IMP PRACTICALITY, UNLESS HE'S TEMPORARILY STORING SIX RABBITS THAT HE PLANS ON TAKING OUT OF TOWN TO BUTCHER THEM, BRING BACK . 
          THAT'S THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE EFFECTIVELY OKAY. 
          THE CODE SAYS SIX RABBITS AND THAT, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A REASONING WHY IT'S LIMITED. 
          IT'S REGARDLESS OF THE AGE OF THE RABBITS ON THOSE SMALL LOTS. 
          NOW, ONCE YOU GET THE LOTS ON ALL LOTS, EVEN EVEN A FIVE ACRE LOT AND ONLY SIX RABBITS IS THE INTENT. 
          URBAN AG. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO PULL OUTTA HERE. 
          I MEAN THAT, THAT'S HOW IT'S CURRENTLY, AND I STAND BY WHAT I SAID, WHICH IS AG IS AN AG. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE 10 ACRES FOR PURPOSES OF WHAT SOMEBODY THAT HAS AG USE CAN DO ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS COULD BE GREAT. 
          SO THERE COULD BE NONCONFORMING AG PROPERTY OUT THERE. 
          NOW THIS, BY THIS, THIS CAN BE GREATLY SIMPLIFIED, BUT NO, NOW, NOW YOU'VE LAID DOWN SOME RULES OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, A FORMAT TO ACTUALLY BUILD ON. 
          AND SO I'M SORRY TO DRAG THAT OUT. 
          NO, IT, OUR CURRENT NOTE NEEDS SOME WORK DONE FILL IT. 
          I'LL SAY THAT MUCH THE TERM ABOVE THE, UH, FLEA MARKET, DO THEY HAVE MORE THAN 10 ACRES? THEY'VE GOT THE VINEYARD NOW AND THE HORSES ABOVE THE FLEA MARKET ON THE HILL. 
          THAT WAS PROBABLY A NON-CONFORMING. 
          AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MATTER RIGHT. 
          WHAT THE ACREAGE IS. 
          IF IT'S AG, IT IS AG. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN IT'S AG. 
          IT'S AG. 
          BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THE URBAN AG SETTING, IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO AG. 
          IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO AG, WHICH IS WHAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT FOR AG. 
          BUT IN, IN URBAN AG, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT THERE ARE ACREAGE BASED LIMITATIONS SPECIFICALLY THAT'S FOR URBAN AG POLICY. 
          THAT'S A POLICY THING. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          I'M NOT GETTING IN THE POLICY LANE . 
          BUT NOW THE POLICY COULD MEAN DIFFERENT ACREAGES FOR DIFFERENT QUANTITIES OF ANIMALS. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHERE THEN WE GET INTO, AND THEN YOU COULD GET POTENTIALLY IN TOWN TO A, A, UM, QUANTITY OF RABBITS THAT ARE FOR PRODUCING FOOD, WHICH  ANIMALS CAN GET OUTTA CONTROL COMPLAINT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IS THE OVERALL IDEA HERE TO SIMPLIFY THIS, TO KEEP THE RULES MINIMAL? OBJECTION. 
          THE RULES NEED TO BE SENSITIVE. 
          UM, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LIMITATIONS CLEARLY DEFINED, WHAT THOSE LIMITATIONS ARE. 
          I HAVE A FEELING THAT EVEN IN THIS ROOM, WE'LL FIND DISAGREEMENT AND THEN OH YEAH, SOME COUNSELS I COULD, I COULD DO THREE. 
          DEFINITELY THINK OTHER, I COULD DO THREE VERSIONS RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, BA BASED ON, ON THIS, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD KICK THINGS AROUND LIKE THAT. 
          I MEAN, STAFF'S PREFERENCES, NONE OF IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          FROM A NON POLICY MAYBE PERSPECTIVE, SOME OF THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE NIGHTMARE YEAH. 
          FOR STAFF, RIGHT? OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          THIS IS, I GET, YEAH. 
          UM, YEAH, I DON'T LIKE, WE DON'T WANT GOATS, WE DON'T WANT HORSES, WE DON'T WANT COWS. 
          WE DON'T WANT ANY OF IT FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY REASONABLE. 
          LIKE I GET THAT. 
          UM, BUT JUST IN THE ENFORCEMENT AND THE INSPECTIONS OF THAT, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, THIS ORDINANCE IS JUST NOT WORTH LIKE IT JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD SEEM REASONABLE. 
          NOW WE HAVE NOT, WE HAVE USES THAT HAVE HORSES AND, AND UM, GOATS AND STUFF LIKE THAT NOW. 
          BUT IT WOULD SEEM REASONABLE TO SAY, OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT NOTHING MORE GOING FORWARD ANYWHERE WOULD BE ONE, ONE APPROACH FOR THE BACK TO THE HOOFED ANIMAL TYPE THING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO RECALL AS, UH, KEEP IN MIND AS WELL WHAT WE THINK TOWN COUNCIL WOULD ACCEPT. 
          I REMEMBER THAT MEETING FOR A COUPLE YEARS AGO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHAT WAS SAID FROM SOME OF THE COMMENTS. 
          AND IF I KNOW THAT IF WE'RE TOO RESTRICTIVE MM-HMM . 
          OR APPEARING TO BE TOO RESTRICTIVE, IT WILL GET THROWN BACK TO US SO MANY TIMES WE'LL WISH THAT WE HAD OUR AUXILIARY TOLLING UNITS. 
          NO, I, I, I WATCHED, I WATCHED THE MEDIA RED. 
          I I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S A STRUGGLE HERE. 
          SOME, SOME OF THE COUNCIL WANTED FREE RANGE CHICKEN. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S THE THING WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS STILL, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN TOWN, THIS IS STILL A RURAL AREA. 
          YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING HERE WHO UNDERSTAND THAT OR WHO WANT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY LIVE OUT IN, YOU KNOW, LOUD IN 
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OR FAIRFAX COUNTY, THEY, THEY COULDN'T DO THIS SORT OF THING AND THEY COME OUT HERE AND THEY GO, OKAY, NOW I CAN HAVE THIS MORE CONTROL OF MY FOOD AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S MULTIPLE ANGLES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE, IT, THERE'S A PROBLEM. 
          I'LL, I'LL SAY THAT, AND I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THINGS, BUT IT, ON CODE ENFORCEMENT, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH, IT'S PEOPLE GETTING THAT THEY HAVE A, A LARGE, MORE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE DO THE RESEARCH WHEN NOT CONTACT, LIKE THE EXTENSION AGENT, THEY HAVE PARAMETERS WHAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN TOWN, WHAT THEY SUGGEST YOU SHOULD DO IN TOWN, BUT NOT EVERYBODY ADHERE BY THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO I THINK THE LAST TIME WE DID THE CHICKEN, UH, THING, EXTENSION AGENT SAID IT'S CHICKENS ARE NOT CONDUCIVE TO LIVING, TO BEING IN AN URBAN SETTING IN TOWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, I WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU ONLY HAVE THREE CHICKENS BASED ON AN AGRICULTURAL STANDPOINT FROM THE EXPERTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT THEN WE GET IN, WE HAVE TO FIND THAT COMPROMISE. 
          YES. 
          THEN WE HAVE SOMEONE SAYING, LET'S SET THE MOTION AT SIX CHICKENS. 
          WELL, WHAT IS, IS THAT BASED ON FACT FINDINGS? WHAT'S THAT BASED ON? OR IS THAT JUST A NUMBER THAT SOMEONE PULLED OUT THE AIR? UM, SO WE JUST GOING TO ACCEPT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PASSING THIS BACK AND FORTH. 
          PROBABLY COUPLE TIMES THE STAFF WILL WORK ON THE FIRST. 
          I THINK STAFF WORKED ON THE FIRST RENDITION OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS GOOD. 
          THE MOST RE WE'LL GO REVISED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO ITERATIONS OF IT NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND WHICHEVER ITERATION. 
          GOOD. 
          I'LL SAY NUMBER FOR THE NEXT ONE QUESTION, JUST PLEASE READ THROUGH IT. 
          TOWN CODE CHAPTER 66 IS GONNA GET EDITED, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA COME TO YOU GUYS. 
          THAT JUST GOES STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT ANYTHING THAT YOU DO WITH ONE 10 OR TO THE URBAN AG COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT 66 AND VICE VERSA. 
          SO THEY NEED TO BE IN TANDEM. 
          66. 
          OH. 
          TECHNICALLY IT'S JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE, BUT MM-HMM . 
          IT'LL PROB IT'LL END UP GETTING CHANGED. 
          I ALREADY KNOW BY LOOKING DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          SO I, WE WILL, WE WILL AWAIT INPUT BEFORE MAKING ANY ADDITIONAL WORK ON THAT. 
          IS WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING. 
          SO, SO WE HAVE SOME IDEA WHAT WHAT, UM, THE BASIS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY TONIGHT? OKAY. 
          I TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          I MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          VOTE DONE. 
          THANK YOU FOLKS. 
          YOU.
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