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TO ORDER A REGULAR, UM, TOWN COUNCIL[Town Council Work Session on March 2, 2026.]
WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, MARCH 2ND TO ORDER.AND MS. CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKRELL.
SO OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE APPOINTMENT OF A TEMPORARY DEPUTY CLERK OF COUNSEL.
SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM COUNSEL.
MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO COUNSEL APPOINT HILLARY ONG AS TEMPORARY DEPUTY CLERK OF COUNSEL, SAID POSITION TO BE IN ADDITION TO HER JOB DUTIES AS EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TO THE TOWN MANAGER AND CONTEND UPON THE ADMINISTRATION OF AN OATH OF OFFICE BY THE CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT.
HEY, THERE'S A MOTION TO SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? I'LL JUST SAY I'M EXCITED FOR LARRY TO, UM, SERVE IN THIS ROLE FOR US.
WE, UM, HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT TOO HARD ON HER
THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 10 POINT, CHAPTER 70 PERTAINING TO ELECTRICITY RATES.
UM, COUNSEL HAS THE SUMMARY THERE, BUT I WE'RE NOT, THIS IS NOT AN ACTION ITEM TONIGHT, IS IT? IT IS.
I THOUGHT HEARING ABOUT THIS HAS TO HAVE A BOARD HEARING.
I WAS JUST SAYING, 'CAUSE I HAD THE SUMMARY AND EVERYTHING AND I KNOW WE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT ONCE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE FOR AMENDMENT CODE OF CHAPTER 70.
UH, WE BROUGHT THIS TO Y'ALL FEBRUARY 9TH.
SO WE HAVE MR. KYLE LANDON ON THE PHONE HERE FROM OUR GRID FOR ANY QUESTIONS ON MY DAD.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION OF COURSE.
UM, BUT IT, I DON'T THINK IT'S FOR HIM.
I THINK IT'S FOR US, UM, WHICH IS, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I DIDN'T HONE IN ON THIS, BUT, UM, HOW DOES A HOME OFFICE FIT INTO THIS? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE HOME OFFICES.
ARE YOU, AND ARE YOU GONNA START BILLING THEM AT COMMERCIAL RATE? AND DO YOU EXPECT A METER SEPARATELY FOR THAT? SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND NO IS THE ANSWER FOR HOME OFFICES.
AND BJ CAN, UM, IT'LL BE BILLED AS RESIDENTIAL AS THEY ARE NOW.
UNLESS IT CHANGES USE, UNLESS THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY CHANGE IS USED TO COMMERCIAL, THEN IT WOULD BE CHANGED.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD SAID BEFORE, UM, AND I TRIED TO REACH OUT, BUT, UM, SOME OF OUR LARGER USERS OF ELECTRICITY, UM, HOPEFULLY THEY, THEY ARE AWARE, AND I KNOW I HAD SAID BEFORE, LIKE I, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCHOOLS, BUT THEN IT, THEN SOMEBODY ELSE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, LIKE THE COUNTY HAS A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF BUILDINGS THEY'RE USING, QUITE FRANKLY.
SO, I MEAN, WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW TO, UM, TO WHAT TO DO FOR OUR BUDGET, BUT HOPEFULLY THE OTHER LARGE USERS IN THE TOWN ARE AWARE OF THIS AND WON'T BE COMPLETELY SHOCKED.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THE STEP APPROACH TO, YOU KNOW, FIRST PHASE AND APPROACH KIND OF EASY.
I'VE BEEN TELLING EVERYBODY I'M A
I'VE BEEN DOING MY JOB TO STAY BEWARE.
UM, ESPECIALLY AFTER JANUARY BEING SO COLD.
COUNCIL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AGAIN, AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE ADJUSTMENT, WE'RE STILL WELL UNDER RACS RATES.
UM, ON PAGE 24 OF OUR PACKET, IT SAID, UM, THE SHORTFALL CAN BE TRACED TO RISING POWER COSTS, ECONOMIC INFLATION AND HISTORICAL FUND APPROPRIATIONS THAT KEPT FRONT WHEEL.
CAN YOU JUST GIVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THOSE HISTORICAL FUND APPROPRIATIONS WERE OR WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT MEANS? SORRY.
CARRY OVER PURCHASE ORDERS THAT WE APPROVE FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
SO IT'S, UM, THEY'RE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, BUT BECAUSE WE CARRY THEM FORWARD, IT IS APPROPRIATE, IT IS CONSIDERED APPROPRIATED FUNDS FORWARD.
SO IT COULD BE FOR MONEY WE'RE SETTING ASIDE FOR TRANSFORMERS OR, UH, MAYBE IT'S A VEHICLE OR A LINE TRUCK OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
MOSTLY POWER TRANSFORMERS IS DIVISION, MA'AM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?
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UM, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, UM, THE, THE WAY THAT THE COMPARISONS WERE DONE FOR THE UTILITY RATES, MAYBE MR. BLANTON CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION.UH, THAT WAS BASED UPON, UH, ORIGINAL INFORMATION THAT YOU GATHERED.
IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? YES, SIR.
AND WE FALL IN AND WE FALL IN, UH, AS THE LOW LOWEST OF THE, UH, YES.
OF THE, OF YOUR REGIONAL PEERS.
YOU ARE THE LOWEST AND YOU, ALRIGHT.
AND THEN WE, WE ARE NOW, AND WE WILL BE STILL, I REMEMBER YOU HAD SAID BEFORE WE WERE AT THIS LEVEL AND EVEN WITH THE CHANGE, WE'D STILL BE TOP THREE.
CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? THAT TOP THREE NUMBER WOULD BE STATEWIDE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE.
TOP THREE STATEWIDE AND LOWEST RATES.
WE'VE BEEN LOWEST FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
UM, LOWEST SAYS THAT WE WERE NUMBER ONE OR WE WERE.
SO WE WERE NUMBER ONE FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
WELL, COUNSEL, UM, WHAT IS BEFORE US IS, UM, OPPORTUNITY, ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, IF NOT, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 23RD FOR THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY, ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT MARCH 23RD? 'CAUSE WITH EACH MONTH WE'RE FALLING FURTHER BEHIND, RIGHT?
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE RAISED THIS? 20.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? MM-HMM
SO MS. PRESLEY, MARCH 23RD, WRITE 2019.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS THE BIG ONE.
UM, ITEM AM NUMBER FOUR IS THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET COUNSEL AND A REVIEW OF THE FYI 27 PROPOSED BUDGET.
I BELIEVE EVERYBODY, UNLESS YOU WENT AND PICKED IT UP LIKE I DID, YOU ALREADY HAVE IT.
SO GOOD EVENING THIS YEAR, 26, 27 BUDGET.
HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG OR ANY TIME.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA JUST START OFF WITH THE, UH, NEXT STEPS AND RECAP THIS AGAIN AT THE END.
UM, JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
UH, SO MARCH 9TH, WE CAN HAVE AN ADDITIONAL WORK SESSION IF NEEDED, UH, TO DISCUSS ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
SIXTH WILL BE A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS, UM, THE TAX RATES, UH, THAT WE WANT TO ADVERTISE FOR.
UM, START THINKING ABOUT THAT.
WE CAN'T GO UP WHEN IT COMES TIME.
WE CAN ADVERTISE HIGHER AND WE CAN, UM, UH, APPROVE LOWER, BUT WE CAN'T, UH, DO THE OPPOSITE THERE.
UH, APRIL 13TH, WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION IF NEEDED TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET.
APRIL 27TH, WE WOULD, UM, APPROVE THE TAX RATES, PERSONAL PROPERTY, REAL ESTATE FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2026, MAY 11TH.
I HAVE THIS HIGHLIGHTED HERE BECAUSE THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR US, BUT THE, UH, WORK SESSION AND PUBLIC HEARING FOR APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE.
UH, SO THE CODE OF VIRGINIA SAYS THAT, UH, WE CANNOT HOLD, WE CANNOT APPROVE, UH, THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE AND HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON DURING THE SAME MEETING.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, BUT, UH, THAT'LL BE ON APRIL 11TH.
UH, WE WOULD REQUEST FOR COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE 20 26 27 APPROPRIATION.
THE MAY 6TH IS A TUESDAY, SO EVERYBODY'S HERE BECAUSE THE 25TH IS MEMORIAL DAY.
SO WE WILL, WE'LL BE ON A OFF NIGHT.
AND DID YOU JUST SAY IT'S GONNA, IT'LL BE HERE.
IS THAT NO, THE, UH, MAY 26TH WILL BE AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER.
UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HERE.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE BEFORE WHEN WE'VE HAD TO SWITCH TO A TUESDAY, SOMETIMES WE COULDN'T BECAUSE THE COUNTY NEEDED IT.
HAVE YOU, DO YOU GUYS KNOW FOR SURE THAT WE'RE IT'S BOOKED.
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UH, SO START OFF WITH THE REVENUE FORECASTING.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT CLEAR THAT REVENUE FORECASTING IS NOT A PRECISE SCIENCE.
WE USE MANY DIFFERENT, UH, AVENUES AND AREAS TO, UM, UH, COME UP WITH OUR REVENUE NUMBERS.
UH, A LOT OF IT DEALS WITH THE CONSULTING FIRMS AND, UH, AMERICAN MUNICIPAL POWER AS FAR AS THE, UH, ELECTRIC GOES.
UH, VDOT HISTORICAL TRENDS SPEAK TO BUSINESSES AND ALSO RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM STAFF, UH, AS WELL.
UM, ANYTIME, UH, WE'RE DOING FORECASTING, THERE IS AL ALWAYS A LEVEL OF ENCY.
UH, THE LAST, UH, LITTLE BULLET THERE I HAVE IS THAT THE WARREN COUNTY PILOT REVENUE, UH, HAS BEEN FORECAST TO REMAIN THE SAME FOR FISCAL YEAR AS FISCAL YEAR 25, UH, DUE TO WARREN COUNTY NOT PROVIDING THE TALE WITH A CERTIFIED STATEMENT FROM THE AUDITORS, VERIFYING COUNTY'S, UH, FISCAL YEAR 25 MEALS AND LODGING TAX REVENUES IN THE CORRIDOR, UH, BY DECEMBER 31ST AS REQUIRED TO ALL BE, UH, IN MO.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS,
UM, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE, UM, WE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE ON DECEMBER 31ST, 2025, WE DID NOT RECEIVE A CERTIFIED STATEMENT FROM THEIR AUDITOR.
SO, UM, IT'S AN, IT'S THEIR ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE VOLUNTARY MIGRAINE.
SO I'M, I DON'T COUNSEL, I KNOW I, I PUT THAT OUT THERE.
AND SO, MOVING ALONG HERE, UH, REAL HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW SNAPSHOT, UM, OVERALL, LOOKING AT A 3.1% INCREASE, 1.7 MILLIONS ACROSS ALL FUNDS, UH, FROM FISCAL YEAR 26 TO FISCAL YEAR 27.
UM, THE, UH, LARGEST INCREASE YOU'LL SEE THERE IN SPECIAL PROJECTS.
I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND.
UH, BUT THAT IS, UH, WE'RE MOVING THE, UH, AUTOMATED, UH, TICKETING, UH, FROM THE GENERAL FUNNEL WITH THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND.
AND I SAY HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.
OTHER THAN THAT, UM, NOT ANY REAL SUBSTANTIAL INCREASES, BUT ALL THE FUNDS DO HAVE A BIT OF AN INCREASE THERE, WATER AND SEWERS UP, BUT WE SO KIND OF PREPARED FOR SOME OF THAT, RIGHT? UH, YES, WATER AND SEWER IS UP.
THE, UM, UH, THE NEXT SLIDE NOW.
THE, UH, SOME OF THAT IS, UH, THE RATE INCREASES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN A MINUTE, UH, WITH OTHER PARTS OF IT ARE THE, UH, WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL USERS, UH, THAT ARE USING MORE AS WELL AS SOME SEWER METERS OUT IN THE FOUR DOOR.
UM, THE, UH, BUT I'LL GET THERE HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.
SO WE'LL START OFF WITH THE REAL ESTATE TAXES.
UM, SO, UH, THERE'S A CHART SHOWS OUR REAL ESTATE TAXES, UH, AND THE RA STANDS FOR REASSESSMENT.
THOSE ARE THE YEARS OF REASSESSMENT.
UH, WE WERE EVERY FOUR YEARS UP UNTIL, UH, RECENTLY.
AND NOW WE'RE, UH, WE'VE MOVED TO EVERY TWO YEARS.
UH, FROM 2023 TO 2025 IS EVERY TWO YEARS.
SO 2026, UH, IS NOT A REASSESSMENT YEAR, BUT 2027 WILL BE A REASSESSMENT YEAR.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT HERE IS THAT, UH, WHEN, UH, TOWN COUNCIL APPROVED THE 25 REAL ESTATE TAX RATE ON APRIL 28TH, UH, 2025, BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO WARREN COUNTY COMMISSIONER REVENUES OFFICE, UH, WAS SHOWING REAL ESTATE VALUES THAT INCREASED 48.3%.
UH, SO THE TOWN HAD, UH, ANTICIPATED RECEIVING APPROXIMATELY $1.8 MILLION IN REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE, UM, WITH THE TAX RATE OF, UH, ZERO OR 0.068, UH, PER $100 ON VALUE.
ON MAY 12TH, 2025, UH, THE TOWN RECEIVED THE ACTUAL REAL ESTATE TAX BOOKS, UH, FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE, UH, REFLECTING THE 23% INCREASE IN TOWN REAL ESTATE VALUES.
UM, AND, UM, 1.5 MILLION IN REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE, UH, BASED ON THE TAX RATE THAT WAS APPROVED.
SO IT WAS APPROXIMATELY $321,000 LOWER THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED.
SO IF THE, UH, IN ORDER FOR THE TOWN TO HAVE EQUALIZED THE TAX RATES, UM, FOR 2025, THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE SHOULD HAVE BEEN 0.0824 PER $100.
UH, AND THAT WOULD'VE GENERATED US THE 1.8 MILLION IN REVENUE FOR 2025.
SO WE ESSENTIALLY LOWERED THE TAX RATE IN 2025.
UM, MOVING HERE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THIS.
'CAUSE WE, WE UNDERSTAND IT 'CAUSE WE LIVED IT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ELSE UNDERSTANDS.
SO IN ESSENCE, WE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO EQUALIZE IT AFTER THE REASSESSMENT.
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WHEN THE TOWN DETERMINED WHAT WE WERE GOING TO EQUALIZE, WE PICKED A NUMBER THAT WOULD'VE BEEN EQUALIZING IT, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THE NUMBERS WE WERE GIVEN WERE, WERE NOT ACCURATE.AND SO WHEN WE WENT TOO LOW, WE ACTUALLY, WE ACTUALLY PROVIDED A TAX DECREASE LAST YEAR FOR FOLKS, WHETHER THEY REALIZE THAT OR NOT.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR IT.
NOT THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEING RAISED, BUT REALLY IT'S JUST TRYING TO EQUALIZE WHAT WE HAD, WHAT, WHAT WAS INCORRECT FROM THE YEAR BEFORE.
IS THERE ANY WAY I COULD HAVE EXPLAINED THAT LESS COMPLICATED? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I DID NOT, THAT WAS NOT MY, I TRIED THE SAME THING.
I JUST DID, BUT, AND THE INCORRECT NUMBER CAME FROM YEAH.
AND THE NU AND THE NUMBERS WE GOT, WE, THAT WE RELY ON COMES FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, 'CAUSE THEY DO THE REASSESSMENT AND, AND, AND WE, AND WE DID ASK, AND WE'VE NEVER QUITE FIGURED OUT HOW THE NUMBERS GOT OFF.
UM, IT DID SOUND LIKE THAT, IT DID SOUND LIKE FROM THE LIAISON MEETING THAT IT, THERE WAS SOME DISCREPANCIES WITH THE, UM, RESOR, THAT THAT WAS WHERE SOME OF THE NUMBERS, UM, NUMBERS GOT OFF.
AND MAYBE IT WAS TOO BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL DOING THE APPEALS.
BUT, BUT ANYWAY, $321,000 WE, UH, TOOK A HIT ON.
AND BECAUSE WE, WE APPROVED OUR RATES SOONER.
WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT NEXT YEAR WHEN THEY REASSESS AGAIN, WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THE CORRECT NUMBERS SOONER THAN MAY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO APPROVE OUR TAX RATES BY THE END OF APRIL, RIGHT? OR NO? MAY WE, WE HAVE TO SET THEM BY THE END OF APRIL.
SO WAITING UNTIL MAY IS BASICALLY, WE'VE ALREADY SAID IT.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ON OUR RADAR FOR NEXT YEAR IS TO REALLY TRY TO START ASKING FOR THOSE NUMBERS SOONER.
AND I REALIZE IT'S AN ASK, AND I KNOW WE, IT'S NOT A DEMAND, BUT IT'S AN ASK.
BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT REALLY MESSED US UP LAST YEAR.
SO I THINK THAT IT'S GONNA BE A CONTINUED PROBLEM WITH THE APPEALS PROCESS.
I WONDER IF THERE'S ANY WAY, WELL, MAYBE THAT'S A LIAISON CONVERSATION, MR. KESSLEY, FOR OUR APRIL LIAISON MEETING TO ASK, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THEY CAN GIVE A DATE FOR THEIR APPEALS PROCESS EARLIER THAN WHAT THEY DO? DID, DID THE REASSESSMENT BILLS GO OUT LATER TOO THAN WHAT THEY ANTICIPATED? I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER EITHER, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER RECEIVING THAT MANY EXONERATIONS, BUT YEAH.
BUT WE PROBABLY NEED TO, WE PROBABLY NEED TO ASK, LIKE, WE NEED THOSE NUMBERS BEFORE.
WELL REALLY WE NEED THEM EVEN BEFORE THE END OF APRIL FOR YOU ALL TO PREPARE YOUR BUDGET.
HOPEFULLY I HAVE A BETTER ASSESSMENT COMPANY THIS TIME.
IT'S NOT, IT'S THE SAME ASSESSMENT COMPANY.
YOU KNOW, THEY CONTRACTED TO LOCAL PEOPLE YEAH.
BUT IT IS THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME OUTFIT AS I UNDERSTAND.
LIKE I SAID, I'M SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO PEOPLE AND YOU'RE TALKING, YOU'RE LISTENING TO PEOPLE'S PERSONAL INFORMATION.
LIKE AMBER AND I ARE SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
SO THE, UH, REAL ESTATE, UH, RATE COMPARISON HERE THAT I'VE DONE.
UH, SO 1 CENT OF OUR, OUR REAL ESTATE TAX RATE FOR 2025, UH, WAS $223,674, UH, FOR REAL ESTATE.
UM, THE YELLOW THERE, I'M SHOWING THE 2025 RATE THAT WAS APPROVED.
UH, THE LITTLE GREEN 2025 RATE EQUALIZED.
UH, THE 0.082 IS HOW WE BUILT THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
UH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE CLOSE TO THE EQUALIZED RATE.
UM, OUR, UH, IT REALLY SHOULD BE 0.0824, BUT WE CAN'T, UM, TAKE THE DECIMAL OUT THAT FAR, UH, IN OUR SOFTWARE.
SO IT'S 0.082 AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DELTA THERE.
UM, BUT, UM, THEN THE BOTTOM SHOWS THE COMPARISON OF REAL ESTATE TAX BILLS BASED ON PROPERTY ASSESSED AT $400,000.
UM, THAT'S JUST A, IT COULD BE HIGHER, IT COULD BE LOWER, BUT THAT'S JUST GIVES A BALLPARK, UH, ESTIMATE THERE.
AND THEN OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT, WE SEE THE 2024 RATE.
UH, JUST FOR REFERENCE, ANY QUESTIONS THERE? SO THE AVERAGE TAX BILL WILL GO UP ON THE $56 FOR THE YEAR.
IF 400,000 IS THE, IS THE, IF 400,000 IS THE, YOU KNOW, AN AVERAGE, UM,
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I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS QUITE THERE.I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT.
UH, MOVING ON THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.
SO BASED ON THE 2025 PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, UM, VALUES OF THE, UH, WAS $168 MILLION.
UH, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES, UH, PROPOSED TO REMAIN THE SAME AT 64 CENTS.
UH, THE TOP DRAFT THERE SHOWS, UH, LAST TIME PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES WERE INCREASED WAS FROM 2010 TO 2011 HAS REMAINED AT, UH, 64 CENTS UP UNTIL, UH, 2026.
THE PERSONAL PROPERTY, UH, TAX RELIEF HAS PROPOSED TO REMAIN AT 43%, UH, FOR QUALIFYING PROPERTIES.
UH, THIS RATE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO EQUALIZE BY THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.
I DO LIKE TO POINT OUT THERE THAT THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA HAS PAID THE TOWN $287,000 FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF ANNUALLY, SINCE 2005.
UM, IT'S AT CAP SET SINCE 2005.
NOT INCREASED FOR US OR ANY OTHER LOCALITIES SINCE THAT TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT RATE, UH, FOR THE TAX RELIEF CONTINUES TO DECLINE.
UH, 'CAUSE VALUES CONTINUE TO GO UP.
SO, UH, THE TAX RELIEF RATE CONTINUES TO DECLINE.
I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THOUGH RIGHT NOW WITH, I GUESS IT'S NOT PERSONAL PROPERTY THOUGH.
IT'S A, IT'S A GAZILLION OTHER TAXES, BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK.
I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT ANYWAY, NEVERMIND.
I'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING REGARDING, WE HAVEN'T, SO WE HAVEN'T RAISED TAXES, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX IN 15 YEARS, RIGHT? 2011.
WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S 2026, BUT IT'S FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, 26 YEARS.
SO THE, UM, AND MOVING DOWN HERE, THE REVENUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE FISCAL YEAR 27 BUDGET, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX AND 45,000 VEHICLE LICENSE DECALS, UH, 390,000.
AND THEN THE TAX RELIEF, 287,000.
AGAIN, IT'S BEEN 287,000 SINCE, UH, 2005.
UM, SO THEN MOVING ON HERE TO THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE HIGHLIGHTS.
SO OVER THERE IN THE BIG YELLOW, WE SEE THE AUTOMATED TICKETING REVENUE IS PROPOSED TO BE, UH, BUDGETED UNDER THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 27.
AND FOR COUNCIL TO PROVIDE US WITH FUTURE, FUTURE DIRECTION ON ALLOCATING THOSE FUNDS, UH, THAT IS, UH, WE'VE BUDGETED FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, $310,000.
UH, THE REVENUES, IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO WRITE IT DOWN, IT CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE 12.
AND THEN THE EXPENDITURE CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE 49 AND IT SIMPLY SAYS AUTOMATED TICKETING.
SO, UM, WE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL AT A LATER TIME TO DISCUSS HOW THOSE PROJECTS WOULD LIKE TO BE USED.
UH, MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR RETREAT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO THEN LOOKING DOWN THROUGH HERE, SO THE AUTOMATED TICKETING UNDER THE GENERAL FUND, UH, IS ZERO FOR FISCAL YEAR 27.
UH, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT DECREASE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MOVED OVER TO THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND, UH, REAL ESTATE TAX, UH, JUST A $14,000 DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT THAT WE BUDGETED.
THAT'S NOT THE AMOUNT THAT WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED.
THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE BUDGETING, UH, FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT.
UH, BUSINESS LICENSES, $20,000 INCREASE, MEALS TAX, $76,000 INCREASE, UH, SALES TAX, ABOUT $80,000.
UH, TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY AND INTERMEDIARY, $17,000 INCREASE.
AND THEN PERSONAL PROPERTY, UH, INCREASE OF 54,000.
UH, THAT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RATE, THAT'S JUST WHAT THE ASSESSED, UH, THE ASSESSED VALUES FOR THE PROPERTY GOING UP.
OUR MEALS TAX REVENUE HAS INCREASED.
AND OUR TOTS, THAT'S WHAT THEY CALLED OUR TRANS TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX HAS ALSO INCREASED.
BUT WHAT WAS PREDICTED FOR OUR, UM, PILOT FEES WAS A DECREASE IN MEALS TAX.
AND A DECREASE IN THE TRANSIT OCCUPANCY TAX.
SO WE, SO OUR TREND IS NOT SEEING A DECREASE, BUT THE COUNTY'S TREND IS, AND WE SAW A SLIGHT DECREASE IN PILOT BECAUSE THE TOWN CORRECTS THE PILOT ON THE, UM, ON THE UTILITY BILL.
THERE'S A SLIGHT DECREASE THERE, BUT IT'S NOT AG DRASTIC BY ANY MEANS.
UM, BUT YEAH, OVERALL WE'RE SEEING A SLIGHT INCREASE, YOU KNOW, 1.9300000000000002%.
BUT WASN'T IT THAT THERE, THE NEIGHBOR CALCULATING THEIR, IS THERE A YEAR BACK FROM THIS, NOT APPLES TO APPLES.
WELL, THEY'RE GOING, UH, THEIR, UH, THEIR AUDITOR'S AUDITING STATEMENT, UH, WOULD'VE BEEN FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.
AND, UM, THE, UM, SO I MEAN THAT, THOSE ARE THE FIGURES WE'RE USING FOR BUDGET.
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THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE THERE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FISCAL YEAR 26 AND 27, UM, BUT WE'VE NOT SEEN A DRASTIC DECREASE, UH, IN OUR PILOT AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS EITHER.YOU'RE SAYING WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE ESTIMATING FOR US IS ACTUALLY FROM DIFFERENT TIMEFRAME, THE 24 TO 25.
LIKE THEY'RE JULY 1ST, 2024 TO JUNE 30TH, 2025 IS WHAT THEY WERE OWING US ON DECEMBER 31ST.
AND I'M, I'M JUST, I'M JUST, I'M WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
SO WE HAVE NOT SEEN A DECREASE IN MEALS TAX OR TOT TAX IN THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY AROUND 2020 WE HAVE TAX DECREASE PROBABLY, UM, EVEN IN 2020, THE MEALS TAX DOESN'T, I MEAN, IT WASN'T GOING, IT WASN'T INCREASING AS MUCH, BUT THERE WAS STILL AN INCREASE FOR 2020.
UM, BUT NO, WE'VE NOT SEEN A, A, A DECREASE, UH, FOR, FOR THE LODGING OR TO, UM, THERE WAS A DECREASE THERE FOR A BIT BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, BUT THE, UH, MEALS TAX, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN A CONSTANT TREND AND BEHOLD THAT BUSINESSES, RIGHT.
AND SO THAT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT UNLESS I'M READING THIS WRONG TO ME, SAYS THAT EVEN OUR BUSINESSES HAVE INCREASED BY TWO, ALMOST 2%.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MEALS TAX AND OUR TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE REVENUE WE GET FROM THE COUNTY? NO, THIS IS, UH, STRICTLY IN TOWN.
THESE ARE THE BUSINESSES IN TOWN.
UH, THE REVENUE FROM WARREN COUNTY IS BUDGETED UNDER A LINE ITEM.
IT SAYS, UH, WARREN COUNTY FILING.
THOSE ARE TECHNICALLY FEES, NOT TAXES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT DID START
BUT ANA SHOULD BRING IN A LOT OF MONEY FOR MEALS TAX.
I WOULD THINK ALSO THE HOTEL THEY GOT RENOVATED, THAT'S OUT THE COUNTY.
THAT'S, BUT, BUT THE, UM, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE TRELLIS, WHICH WOULD BE SHORT TERM RENTALS, BUT ALSO THE HOTEL THERE ON ROYAL AVENUE, THE OLIVE BRANCH TOO.
I'M JUST THINKING OF SOME NEWER, PROBABLY INTEREST IN SOME LODGING IN TOWN.
SO I, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, UM, COMPARING YEAR TO YEAR, I'LL JUST PICK MEALS TAX AND MAYBE, MAYBE HE JUST SAID IT, BUT, BUT, SO IF WE, IF WE COMPARED, UH, THE, UH, ADOPTED FY 25 VERSUS THE PROPOSED FY 26, WOULD, WOULD WE SHOW THAT THE MALE'S TAX IS INCREASING AT AN INCREASING RATE OR INCREASING AT A DECREASE? INCREASING AT A DECREASING RATE? OKAY.
YOU HAD ASKED ME THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
I PROBABLY WOULD'VE FIVE OR 6%.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY QUESTION.
UH, SO ENTERPRISE SALES AND SERVICE.
SO ELECTRIC CURRENT, OUR FISCAL YEAR 26, BUDGET, C 22.4, 26, YEAR 26, CURRENT BUDGET IS 21.92% INCREASE.
UM, I WON'T READ THROUGH ALL THESE, BUT WHAT ARE SALES? 8% SEWER SALES? 11%.
UM, SO ELECTRIC CURRENT IS, UH, BASED ON PHASE ONE, UH, FOR THE ELECTRIC RATES THAT WE, WE JUST DISCUSSED RIGHT BEFORE HERE.
UM, AND THAT'S, UH, ONLY INCORPORATING PHASE ONE.
UH, WHAT ARE SALES? I THINK IT'S ON THE NEXT SLIDE ACTUALLY.
YEAH, IT, IT'S, SO, UM, THE, UH, LET'S SEE HERE.
SO FISCAL YEAR 26, SO ELECTRIC PURCHASE POWER EXPENSE IS CURRENTLY TRACKING ABOUT 1.6 MILLION OR 1.5 MILLION SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA ABOVE BUDGET, CURRENT YEAR.
THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, PHASE ONE.
AND THEN, UH, ELECTRIC RATES AND OR POWER COST ADJUSTMENT WILL, UH, INCREASE THAT EXPENSE, UH, WITH THE WATER AND SEWER USAGES FOR THE OUT OF TOWN USERS.
UH, SOME INDUSTRIAL ACCOUNTS HAVE BEGUN, UH, USING MORE WATER AND SEWER, UM, UH, USING MORE WATER AND SEWER.
UM, SOME OF THAT IS, UH, WE'VE HAD A LARGE METER TESTING PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE.
USUALLY WHEN WATER METERS, UM, UH, START, UH, FAILING, THEY START SLOWING DOWN.
WE STARTED THE TESTING PROGRAM.
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UH, IDENTIFIED SEVERAL OF THOSE.NOT SEVERAL, BUT A FEW OF THOSE.
AND, UH, ALSO THE, UH, WE HAVE A, UM, UH, USER THAT'S, UM, WORKING ON INSTALLING A ZERO METER OUT THERE THAT'S USING A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT.
UM, OF COURSE, UH, OTHER IMPACTS WAS THE WEATHER HOT, COLD, IF IT RAINS.
UM, AND THEN THE SCHEDULED WATER, UH, AND SEWER RATE INCREASES HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
NO SOLID WASTE HAS BEEN INCORPORATED.
WATER AND SEWER, THE RE RECOMMENDED RATE INCREASES ARE, UH, 3% FOR WATER TWO AND A QUARTER PERCENT SEWER.
UH, THIS IS BASED UPON STANTEC CONSULTING'S 25, UH, 2025 RECOMMENDATION.
UM, THOSE, UH, RATES WOULD BE EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST FOR WATER AND SEWER.
UM, I JUST DON'T WANNA GET THAT CONFUSED WITH ELECTRIC.
ELECTRIC AND PROPOSED TO BE IMPLEMENTED APRIL 1ST.
UM, WATER AND SEWER, UM, WOULD BE JULY 1ST.
UH, THOSE ANNUAL INCREASES, UH, WOULD CONTINUE, UH, AS RECOMMENDED FROM STANTEC FROM 2025 THROUGH 2030, UH, FOR THE WATER AND SEWER RATES.
AND THIS NEXT SLIDE HERE ACTUALLY SHOWS, UH, WHAT THE, UM, UH, THE INCREASES, UH, LOOK LIKE FOR WATER AND SEWER BASED ON 5,500 GALLONS, WHICH IS AN AVERAGE USAGE FOR, UH, ONE OF OUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS OR FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS.
UM, UH, OVERALL, UH, $2 AND 34 CENTS, UH, THERE A MONTH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR AN INCREASE SOLID WASTE.
UH, NO, UM, INCREASES FOR SOLID WASTE HAVE BEEN PROPOSED.
UH, WE DO NOT KNOW, UH, ANYTHING ABOUT THE, UH, TIPPING FEES FOR WARREN COUNTY, IF THEY WILL OR WILL NOT INCREASE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO ADDRESS AT A LATER TIME.
THEY TOLD US IN JANUARY THAT THEY DIDN'T, I POINT BLANK ASKED AND THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T, THEY WEREN'T ANTICIPATING AT THE TIME THAT WAS A DIFFERENT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING'S CHANGED, BUT I I IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THEY WERE ANTICIPATING THAT.
OF COURSE, THEY HAVEN'T DONE THEIR BUDGET EITHER.
THEY WOULD INCREASE THOSE THEN WE COULD LOOK AT AN INCREASE ON JULY ONE.
I MEAN, WE COULD DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT IF NEED BE.
SO, YOU KNOW, BRING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE IF IT COME DOWN TO THAT OR, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, WE WERE SURPRISED ONE, SO.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE, YEAH, IT WOULDN'T START ON JULY ONE.
'CAUSE LAST TIME WE DIDN'T FIND OUT UNTIL JUNE 30TH OR JUNE 29TH.
WELL, THIS STARTED ON JULY ONE LAST TIME.
WE WOULD, UH, HAVE TO PIVOT THERE A LITTLE BIT.
HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT HOPEFULLY, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T PLAN TO DO THAT TOO.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS MUCH PLANNING INVOLVED IN IT LAST TIME, THOUGH.
IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS IN WATCHING BOARD SUPERVISORS MEETINGS.
IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT SEEMED ANTICIPATED OR STRATEGIC.
IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A SURPRISE FOR EVERYBODY.
UH, TOTAL BUDGET, 58.5 MILLION.
WE'RE LOOKING AT 3.1% INCREASE OF 1.7 MILLION.
UH, 18.5 MILLION IN PERSONNEL.
UH, CHANGES IN FULL TIME FROM THE PREVIOUS BUDGET.
UH, SO THE CLERK OF COUNCIL, TOWN MANAGER EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT WILL BE SPLIT 50 50 BETWEEN CLERK OF COUNCIL DEPARTMENT AND THE TOWN MANAGER DEPARTMENT.
UH, THE, UH, HEIGHT OF POSITION WAS REMOVED DUE TO THE POSITION TRANSFERRING TO WARREN COUNTY.
THE TOWN WILL NO LONGER RECEIVED THE GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT POSITION.
WE, UH, HAD BUDGET WE BUDGETED THIS YEAR OR MOVED IN FISCAL FOR YEAR 27.
THE PROPOSED BUDGET, UH, WE'RE BUDGETING FOR THE FULL YEAR OF THE TOWN ENGINEER, UH, TOTAL OF 162,000, UH, FULL YEAR FOR THE GIS COORDINATOR.
WE HAD, UH, PREVIOUSLY BUDGET FOR HALF A YEAR FOR BOTH OF THOSE POSITIONS.
AND THEN, UH, NO NEW POSITIONS ARE INCORPORATED INTO FISCAL YEAR 27.
BUDGET, UH, HIGHLIGHTS FOR EMPLOYEE EXPENSE, WE HAVE, UH, TWO AND A HALF PERCENT COLA THAT IS EQUAL TO THE CPI, UH, CONSUMER PRICE IN INDEX TO BE IMPLEMENTED JANUARY OF 2027.
COST ON THAT WOULD BE $176,320 1%.
AVERAGE MERIT INCREASE HAS BEEN INCORPORATED FOR THE COST OF 135,000.
UH, THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED OCTOBER, 2026.
UH, THE PROGRAM WE'VE BEEN USING FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, UM, UH, FOR THE EVALUATIONS AND COLAS, UH, THE VRS UH, STANDARD RATE DID SLIGHTLY DECREASE.
UM, BUT, UH, UM, THERE COULD BE AN INCREASE FOR HYBRID HYBRID MEMBERS BECAUSE THEY CAN ELECT TO, UH, CONTRIBUTE MORE CU LAURA
UM, BUT OVERALL WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASE FOR VRS OF $176,000 AS WELL.
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AND THEN IS THE STANDARD RATE FOR THE OLD TIMER OLD TIME? I MEAN, I SAY OLD TIMERS 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.SO IF YOU'VE BEEN IN VRS PROBABLY LONGER THAN 15 YEARS.
2014 IS WHEN IT SWITCHED OVER 2014.
ANYBODY PAST THAT IS IN THE HYBRID.
HYBRID AND THERE'S A, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT TIER OF ELECTIVES AND THEY CAN, UM, AND EVENTUALLY EVERYBODY WILL BE IN, NOBODY'S GONNA BE IN THE STANDARD.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT MAYBE THAT WENT DOWN AS PEOPLE WERE RETIRING.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WENT THE STANDARD, THE STANDARD RATE.
UM, HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE.
MAYBE LAURA HAS SOME, THE STANDARD RATE STAYS THE SAME.
ACTUALLY, THE COST WILL GO UP AS, AS THE HYBRIDS TAKE OVER MORE BECAUSE THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO A SEPARATE, UM, 4 57 FUND.
BUT THE TOWN HAS TO MATCH THAT.
UM, PEOPLE IN THE OLD PLANS DON'T GET THAT.
THEY DON'T GET THAT MATCH ON OTHER FUNDS.
SO THE COSTS WILL ACTUALLY JUST GO UP THE MORE THAT THE OLDER ONES GO AWAY AND THE, IT ALL BECOMES HIGH.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE STANDARD RATE.
IT SAID STANDARD RATES, SLIGHT DECREASE, BUT THE HYBRID, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY.
NEXT ONE'S HEALTH INSURANCE, UH, 16%.
SO IT WAS, UH, LOWER THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED.
UH, BUT 300, $2,000 IS THE TALENTS PORTION.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A LEADERSHIP TRAINING FOR 5,000 QUARTERLY, UH, LEADERSHIP PROGRAM OF 2000 FORENSIC ACADEMY FOR TWO TO THREE MONTH PROGRAM, 8,500 EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION EVENT, 5,000 AND HOLIDAY LUNCHEON FOR 5,000.
BJ, BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD ON THE HEALTH INSURANCE, WHAT ARE THE EMPLOYEES SEEING? THEIR PERCENTAGE OR THE INCREASE? 16%.
IT'S RAISING, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY CONTRIBUTION LEVELS.
UM, SO THE EMPLOYEE'S COST IS GOING UP 16%.
AND THEN OUR EMPLOYER COST IS ALSO GOING UP 16%.
SO IF I'M A TOWN EMPLOYEE, MY, MY BASIC INSURANCE IS GOING UP 15%.
WELL, FOR, UM, IF YOU'RE SINGLE, IF YOU'RE SINGLE, IT DOES NOT GO 'CAUSE WE PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UH, THAT'S FOR THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN.
OKAY, SO THEY HAVE A CAFETERIA PROGRAM.
THEY SELECT WHAT LEVEL OF, UM, DEDUCTIBLE AND BENEFITS THAT THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.
THEY GET TO CHOOSE BETWEEN TWO PLANS.
16% ISN'T, 'CAUSE I, I THINK I, I THOUGHT I SAW, I WAS WATCHING, IT WAS EITHER THE COUNTY OR THE SCHOOLS, I THINK 13, 30%.
THEY GOT THE SCHOOLS COUNTY WAS LIKE 13 MAYBE.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN THE AREA? UM, WHEN THE CONSULTANTS WERE HERE, THEY SAID THEY WERE LOOKING AT WHAT, 2021 OR 23%? UH, STATE POINT 20% WAS LIKE THE AVERAGE OR WAS THE 22, BUT IT WAS THE AVERAGE FROM THE STATE OF VIRGINIA FOR ALL PLACES WAS LIKE 22 HALF.
WELL, THEN WE GOT BELOW AVERAGE.
I MEAN, THAT'S ONE GOOD THING ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S STILL I AGREE, BUT IT IS EVERYWHERE.
NO, I'M SAYING IT'S EVERYWHERE.
IF YOU'RE, AND IF YOU'RE, UM, SELF-EMPLOYED MM-HMM
IT WENT UP LIKE TREMENDOUSLY TOO.
SO, UH, SO GENERAL FUND HIGHLIGHTS, UH, WE HAVE THE DRUG COURT, YOUR, UH, 50,000, YOUR FIVE TO 10, UH, TOWN SCHOLARSHIP, $3,000 CONDEMNATION EXPENSE, UH, $25,000 CIVIC PLUS AGENDA MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE FOR 6,000.
UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY FOR THE, UM, COUNCIL AGENDAS AND OTHER BOARDS.
PLEASE FLEET MAINTENANCE, LIFT IN THE PREEXISTING PART OF THE BUILDING, 26,000, UH, REPLACE THE CAMERA SYSTEM, A NON-ENTERPRISE FUND FOR 30,000.
THAT'S AN ONGOING EFFORT, UH, BY OUR IT DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN, UH, REALLOCATE SOFTWARE PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED UNDER, UNDER DEPARTMENT OF IT TO A ASSOCIATED DEPARTMENT THAT'S UTILIZING, UTILIZING THE SOFTWARE.
SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE, UM, UH, PAGES FOR THE BUDGET, I ACTUALLY NOTED OUT, UH, WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED UNDER IT.
LIKE IF YOU LOOK UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE, YOU'LL SEE, UM, THAT WE HAVE CENTRAL SQUARE AND UM, VARUS.
UH, THOSE ARE OUR FINANCIAL AND UTILITY BILLING SOFTWARES.
UH, WE PUT THOSE UNDER FINANCE.
UH, SAME WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, I THINK IT WAS MOTOROLA WE PUT UNDER, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY UNDER, UH, IT, BUT REALLY BROKE THOSE OUT.
SO IT'LL BETTER, UH, SHOW WHAT'S GOING TO THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS, UM, AS WELL AS THE COPIERS.
UH, WE DID THE SAME THING WITH THE COPIERS.
IF IT GOES TO A DEPARTMENT LIKE THAT HAS ENTERPRISE FUNDS MM-HMM
CAN WE USE WE THAT CAN BE PART OF THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS THAT WE'RE USING? ABSOLUTELY.
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UH, FOR, AND UM, YES, IT ABSOLUTELY, YOU'RE CORRECT.IT'S, UH, PAID FOR OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING UNDER THERE FOR LIKE COPIERS, FOR INSTANCE, UH, FOR, UH, THE WATER PLANT, UH, THOSE ARE NOW LISTED UNDER THE WATER PLANT.
SO THE ENTERPRISE FUND IS PAYING FOR THAT.
UM, BUT THE ENTERPRISE FUND, UH, HAS ALWAYS HELPED SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND.
SO THEY WERE PAYING FOR IT IN A WAY, BUT THIS, UH, REALLY HOPEFULLY DIALS IT IN SO YOU CAN SEE WHICH DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSIBLE.
UNDER THE, UM, EXCUSE ME, GENERAL FUND REVENUE LOOKS LIKE THE TRANSFERS FROM THE ENTERPRISE, UH, UTILITIES LOOKS LIKE $3,550,000.
IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 72, IT GIVES A BREAKDOWN OF HOW THE TRANSFERS ARE CALCULATED.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT GENERAL FUND REVENUE, SO THAT, AS I UNDERSTAND THE TRANSFER FROM THERE IS FOR ALL THE OVERHEAD THAT SUPPORTS THE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM.
SO PART OF THE TOWN MANAGER, PART OF FINANCE, PART OF THE FLEET PART OF, YEP.
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S COVERED THROUGH THESE TRANSFERS, THAT'S HOW THEIR EXPENSES WERE COVERED.
AND LIKE I SAY, PAGE 72 GIVES A BREAKDOWN AS TO HOW THOSE CALCULATIONS ARE DONE.
UM, AND IT INCLUDES HR TOWN ATTORNEY, LIKE YOU SAID, GENERAL PROPERTIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND JUST TO CONFIRM, BJ, THE CONDEMNATION EXPENSE, THAT'S STILL THAT PLACEHOLDER FUND THAT WE SET ASIDE IN CASE WE GOT A, LIKE MAYBE TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING OR SOMETHING OR YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN THAT ALL THE, MAYBE MORE THAN THAT, MAYBE LESS THAN THAT.
BUT THAT'S JUST LIKE A FLOATING CORRECT.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A PLUG NUMBER.
I KNOW IT MIGHT BE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE USE THIS, MAYBE WE CARRY IT FORWARD OR RIGHT.
UM, WE DIDN'T USE IT ALREADY, RIGHT.
WE DIDN'T USE THE LAST YEAR'S.
YEAH, WE, WE DID A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THAT I BELIEVE.
WE DID A BUDGET AMENDMENT BECAUSE WE DID USE SOME FUNDS.
WE USED SOME, BUT WE DIDN'T USE LIKE THE CURRENT YEAR.
I DON'T THINK THE CURRENT YEAR WE'VE USED ANYTHING LIKE, NO.
LAUREN, YOU HAVING TO REMEMBER? NO, I DON'T THINK WE'VE USED THIS YEAR.
SO DOES THAT MEAN, THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THAT IS DOES THAT MEAN WE SAW THAT 25,000 AND NOW THIS 25,000 SO THAT WE HAVE A CONDEMNATION AMOUNT 50, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE EVENT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
YEAH, WE, WE CAN CARRY THAT OVER AND I THINK IT WAS 40 40.
I KNEW IT WAS, I JUST KNEW THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE TIME THAT THAT MIGHT NOT STARTED IN JULY TOO MUCH IF WE DON'T SPEND THE 40, BUT BEFORE JULY
BJ, THE OTHER QUESTION, COUNT SCHOLARSHIPS, ISN'T THAT FROM OUR ELECTRIC COMPANY GIVEN TO US TO DISTRIBUTE? THAT'S GENERAL FUND DOLLARS.
THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT GIVES AMP GIVES UP THE ELECTRIC.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS CONFUSED, BUT THEY DON'T, BUT WE ARE NOT GUARANTEED THAT WE GET IT RIGHT.
LIKE IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL ONE PERSON, YEAH, ONLY ONE.
IT CAN BE TO ANY OF THE CUSTOMERS OF AMP THROUGHOUT WHEREVER SENIORS THAT WOULD APPLY.
BUT NO, THAT'S, WE, IT WAS, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, IT WAS 2002, 1000 AND THEN A CITIZEN VOLUNTEERED TO FUND AN ADDITIONAL ONE AND THEN AFTER A COUPLE YEARS SAID HE WOULD NOT FUND IT ANYMORE AND WE JUST LEFT IT IN THERE, WHICH I, I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA OVER BROKE ON A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
UM, GIS SOFTWARE, $30,179, UH, FOR A GENERAL FUND.
AND THEN, UM, MOVING ALONG HERE, UM, WE DID PUT $25,000 IN BECAUSE, UH, WARREN COUNTY HAS A AN RFP OUT, UH, FOR, UH, PROCESSING, UH, FOR THEIR TAX BILLS, UH, FOR SOFTWARE, FOR NEW SOFTWARE.
AND WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF BRIDGE OR SOME SOFTWARE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE YET.
UH, SO WE DID PUT A KIND OF A PLUG NUMBER IN THERE, UH, FOR, FOR THE 25,000 TO HELP US OUT WITH THAT.
WE DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE THE BRIDGE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A NEWER VERSION THAN THEY DO.
BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY GO WITH.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING WITH YET.
I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING WITH YET, SO, UM, SO WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED.
UM, THAT'S THE NINE ONE ONE CALL HANDLING SOFTWARE UPGRADES.
UH, THIS IS BASED ON AN ANTICIPATED UPGRADE FOR WARREN COUNTY SYSTEM FOR $73,000.
UM, WE'LL READ THROUGH ALL OF THOSE.
UH, KIND OF THE SAME ONES WE'VE, I'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS HERE.
UH, PUBLIC WORKS OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, YEAR TWO OF TWO FOR $50,000.
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UH, TOWN HALL AIR CONDITIONER REPLACEMENT WITH HEAT, $50,000.UM, SO THIS BUILDING, UH, IS STILL ON A BOILER AND, UM, OUR AIR CONDITIONERS DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE HEAT, SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE BOILER, IT GETS COLTON HERE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A BACKUP THAT WE'RE LOOK LOOKING FOR.
YOU'RE ONE OF THREE FOR, UH, 55,000 AND THEN A SMALL TRACTOR FRONT WITH FRONT END LOADER.
UH, YOU'RE ONE OF TWO FOR THE HORTICULTURE DEPARTMENT.
UH, ACES AND TREE PROJECTS THERE.
WE HAVE THE TREE PURCHASES FOR $5,000, HAZARDOUS TREE REMOVAL FOR 10,000, AND THEN OUR YEARLY TREE CANOPY YEAR THREE OF FIVE FOR 5,000 TREE PURCHASES.
WHAT ARE THOSE AGAIN? THAT'S NOT THE BOBBY, UH, TREE PURCHASES.
ARE THOSE THE ONES WHERE WE'RE REPLACING OUR TREES? YEAH.
I I, I ASKED, WE DID, UH, THREE THIS WEEK ON VIRGINIA OR WE WERE GOING TO THAT DID, SO THEN WE TOOK 'EM OUT AND REPLACED THEM.
WHAT I MEANT WAS I DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT.
SO, BECAUSE THEY GIVE AWAY FREE TREES.
AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT IS.
THEY, THOSE ARE NOT THE PER, WE'RE NOT PURCHASING 5,000 OF TREES TO GIVE AWAY.
SAYING THE TREE THAT TREES MY TREE THAT DIED.
YOU'RE TREATED ON NON, NON, YOU HAVE PLANT HAS HAZARD TREE REMOVAL THAT THAT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S JUST WHEN WE HAVE A TREE, WE HAVE TO HAVE IT TAKEN DOWN AND CORRECT.
BEEN THE BIGGEST EITHER THE UM, UM, BOWMAN, PARKMAN PARK, BOWMAN PARK PIG DID TREES.
THE CRANE, I THINK ONE TREE AT THERE COST, WHAT DID YOU SAY HAPPENED? LIKE BOWMAN PARK, WE HAD TO HAVE THE CRANE 'CAUSE IT TREES, THE BIG TREES WERE DEAD.
AND SO WE USE IT FOR STUFF LIKE THAT.
OUR GENERAL FUND CAPITAL AND UH, DEBT EXPENDITURES.
SO THE FLEET MAINTENANCE, BILLING, UH, REHABILITATION, WE HAVE THAT DEBT SERVICE, 184,000 THAT'LL END IN 2043.
UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CONSTRUCTION DEBT SERVICE, UH, IS $369,000 A YEAR.
UH, AS ALWAYS, I KIND OF WANNA, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AWARE THAT WE WILL NEED TO REFINANCE THAT IN MARCH OF 20 20, 20 31.
UH, ESTIMATED REFINANCE IS 6.1 MILLION.
I WAS THINKING THAT IT WAS 6 MILLION WHEN WE GOT IT.
IT WAS, UH, WHAT, SEVEN POINT SOME ODD MILLION.
I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF PLUS INTEREST, I GUESS.
AND THEN, SO THAT 360 9 IS WHAT WE PAY EVERY YEAR IN PAYMENTS IN INTEREST, CORRECT? MM-HMM
AND THE PAYMENTS ARE, ARE VERY LITTLE AND IT WAS AMORTIZED, UM, WHAT, IT'S A SEVEN YEAR NOTE.
20 OR 30 YEARS, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
BUT THE, UM, BUT IT, UH, IT BECOMES DUE IN 24 9.
SO THERE'S NO, I MEAN IS THERE ANY ADVANTAGE IN THINKING ABOUT REFINANCING NOW WHILE LATE, LIKE SOMETIME THIS YEAR OF RATES GET CONTINUE TO CUT.
IF RATES CUT, WE IT WOULD BE, BUT THE, UH, IT'S A, WHAT IS THAT? HOLD ON.
THAT'S A REALLY LOW INTEREST RATE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT WE, THAT WAS LIKE AN AMAZING INTEREST RATE AT THE TIME.
LIKE WE WERE, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MORE THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT WAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING THE OPPOSITE.
I WAS THINKING THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET A REALLY GREAT INTEREST RATE, BUT THEN BECAUSE OF THE SCANDAL, SO IT'S, IT IS 1.87, UH, PERCENT INTEREST RATE AND IT'S, UH, IT'S A 30 YEAR AMORTIZATION FOR A 10 YEAR NET.
I'M WHAT IT'S GONNA BE BE IN 2031.
SO I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THAT NICE, YOU KNOW, SPOT IS FOR, TO REFINANCE, BUT THAT IS A TOUGH ONE TO GET CLOSE TO.
SO WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO PAY DOWN THE PRINCIPAL ANYMORE NOW WHILE WE HAVE THE LOWER INTEREST RATE AND HAVE LEFT TO REFINANCE LATER? HAVE WE, UM, HAVE NOT REALLY LOOKED AT IT BECAUSE UM, GONNA COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO MAKE ABLE TO MAKE THAT PAYMENT.
I MEAN THAT'S THE, ESPECIALLY BEEN AS POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE WE'RE, IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
MY HOUSE, I WOULD BE DOING THAT, BUT I'D HAVE TO FREE MONEY SACRIFICE SOMETHING.
I MEAN WE'RE MAKING 4%, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 4% ON THE, UH, INVESTMENTS.
SO I MEAN, WE'RE KIND OF MAKING OUT.
UM, POLICE, RADIO SYSTEM, DEBT SERVICE, $71,000, THAT'S YEAR EIGHT OF 10.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, VRA BOND FOR LELAND PARKWAY, WE HAVE A WARREN COUNTY 148,000 THAT ENDS IN 2035.
UM, AND RE PARKWAY IS A, UH, A DEBT SERVICE UNDER A SPECIAL PROJECT FUND.
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UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL MAINTENANCE, THIS IS PART OF THE STREET FUND.IT IS, UM, UH, SUPERVISED BY THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE REPLACED FIVE UP SYSTEMS FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION FOR $25,000.
AND WE GET INTO HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE HIGHLIGHTS.
SO THE, UH, STORM SEWER MAPPING, IT'S, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR THREE.
WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THAT AND SEEING, UM, HOW MUCH, HOW FAR THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US FOR OUR STORM SEWER MAPPING.
UH, SNOW PLOWER REPLACEMENTS, UH, $20,000, UM, UH, THAT IS CERTAINLY NEEDED.
SALT SPREADER REPLACEMENT 40,000 YEAR THREE OF FIVE, REPLACING A 1988 TRACK LOADER.
SO THAT'S SPLIT BETWEEN, UH, WATER SEWER SOLID WASTE STREETS, UH, AMONGST, UM, MANY DEPARTMENTS THERE FOR $75,000 REPLACING A 2002 CATERPILLAR BACKHOE YEAR ONE OF TWO FOR 90,000.
UM, REPLACING A DUMP TRUCK, A 2005 DUMP TRUCK YEAR ONE OF TWO FOR 90,000 OR SALT SHIFT BUILDING FOR 60,000 FOR YEAR ONE OF TWO.
AND THEN THE STREET SWEEPER LOAN YEAR 10 OF 10.
SO WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING DROPPING OFF AT LEAST NOW, THE ONE THAT'S YEAR TWO OF TWO TRACK LOADER, SO THAT WE'LL BUY THAT THIS YEAR HOPEFULLY.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S IF IT'S APPROVED.
SO THAT ONE WILL DROP OFF TOO, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'LL DROP OFF.
YEAH, I WAS JUST SAYING SOME DEBT SERVICE.
I HOPE WE DON'T NEED A NEW ONE.
USUALLY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S YOUR CAR BY THE TIME YOU GET PAID OFF OF STARTS OF PROBLEM.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
CAN YOU TELL LOADER LOADER, AND I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS YEAR, UH, OR IN THE LAST BUDGET WE APPROVED, I WANT TO SAY TWO DUMP TRUCKS AND WE ORDERED 'EM AND IT TOOK A YEAR TO GET 'EM.
SO WE HAD TOT MOVE THE MONEY FROM ONE YEAR INTO THE NEXT YEAR.
YEAH, I MEAN, CAN WE GO AHEAD LIKE ON JULY ONE AND ORDER THE THING AND TRY TO GET IT IN THE YEAR THAT WE HAVE THE MONEY IS OUR GOAL.
THE, UM, UH, SOME OF THESE ITEMS, UH, WELL FOR LIKE THE DUMP TRUCKS FOR INSTANCE, I THINK WE ORDER THOSE OFF THE STATE CONTRACTS A LOT OF TIMES.
UM, I DON'T THINK THE TRACK LOADER IS TRACK LOADER ON STATE CONTRACT.
IT'D BE THROUGH SOURCE SOURCE.
SO THERE IS, THERE IS A CHANCE, BUT WE'LL HAVE A ROCK AND ROLL.
UM, THE UM, AND DELIVERY TIME, I MEAN, YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
WE'RE STILL WAITING ON REFUGE TRUCK TO COME IN.
UH, SO THE PRIMARY PAVING, UH, WOULD BE NORTH ROYAL AVENUE FROM EAST SIXTH TO ACADEMY DRIVE FOR THE 90, $98,000 UP IN THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER.
WHAT I'VE DONE HERE IS KIND OF CREATE A, UM, UH, A CHART FOR THE SECONDARY PAVING SIDEWALK AND CURVES.
UM, SO WE SEE THAT, UH, OAK STREET THERE.
WE HAVE A PAVING SIDEWALK AND CURVE FOR 143,000.
OAK STREET WILL BE FROM LURAY AVENUE CHERRY STREET, UH, WEST EIGHTH STREET FROM NORTH SHENANDOAH TO NORTH ROYAL, A TOTAL OF $107,000, UH, PAVING SIDEWALK CURB AGAIN.
AND THEN VIRGINIA AVENUE, UH, FROM WEST 11TH TO WEST 14TH STREET, TOTAL OF 215,000.
LAST ONE DOWN THERE I HAVE IS EZRA ROAD SIDEWALK WE NEED IS ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
UH, YOU GUYS PROBABLY REMEMBER ME TALKING ABOUT HOW WE DIDN'T HAVE QUITE ENOUGH IN THERE.
I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT ELSEWHERE AND DIDN'T HAVE MUCH LEFT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE $120,000, UH, TO, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 585,000.
ARE WE ANTICIPATING THAT GOING FORWARD IN CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR?
WHERE THEY AT? 30%? ARE THEY FURTHER? PROBABLY NOT THIS YEAR.
YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE STILL, THEY THEY'RE MOVING PRETTY QUICK ON THE DRAWINGS.
UM, I THINK THEY STILL HAVE AN EASEMENT THAT THEY STILL GOTTA GET, BUT WE'VE BEEN HAVING COMMUNICATION WITH THEM AS THEY MOVE FORWARD, SO IT SHOULD BE COMING.
BUT HOW ABOUT OUR BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT WITH THE COUNTY FOR ALL
THAT'S IN WHAT CONTEXT? WELL, EXPENSE.
WE'RE SPENDING MONEY AND DOING SOMETHING IN THE COUNTY INSTEAD OF TOWN.
WE RECOGNIZED THIS WHEN DREW WALTZ WAS HERE, THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT ALL MAPS, THAT PART OF WHAT WE'RE SPENDING AND MAINTAINING IS OXON COUNTY.
WE WERE GONNA ASK THEM FOR A BOUNDARY.
IT REQUIRES BOTH, UM, JURISDICTIONS TO AGREE AND THEN IT GOES TO COURT.
AND HAVE, WHEN THAT PROCESS HAS NOT BEEN INITIATED, WHEN WHEN WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO INITIATE THAT? MR. SANA? I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE LIKE IF WE'RE PUTTING MONEY ASIDE FOR IT, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY
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PART OF, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS, SO WE JUST NEED TO COULD, SHOULD WE PUT THAT ON THE LIAISON MEETING FOR APRIL OR TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ON BOARD BECAUSE IT REQUIRES YEAH.YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S NEW PEOPLE THERE.
UM, BECAUSE IF NOT, THEN THEY NEED TO PAY FOR PART OF THAT SIDEWALK, WHATEVER'S THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF THEY WANTED TO, I'M NOT SAYING THEY WOULD, I'M I'M JUST SAYING I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO PUT IT ON THE LIAISON.
UM, COUNCILMAN WOOD AND I ATTENDED THE LAST TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING AND THE CURRENT SUPERVISORS REPRESENTING THE COUNTY ON THE BOARD HAVE A GREAT APPETITE FOR SIDEWALKS AND SAFETY EVEN IN THE TOWN LIMITS.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE BROUGHT UP THE GIS AND SHOWED US SOME SPOTS OF THEIR CONCERN IN THE TOWN.
UM, SO I THINK IT'D BE A WELCOME CONVERSATION.
I MIGHT ADD, I THINK THERE'S, I RECALL A POLICY STATEMENT IN ONE OF THE COUNTY BUDGETS ABOUT NO BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENTS.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS ONE OF OUR GOALS.
I THINK IT WAS NUMBER THREE ON THE LIST OF 25.
BUT, BUT, AND I GET THAT, BUT I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
MAYBE LET HOPE RIGHT? I JUST RAISE IT.
IN SUPPORT OF THE IDEA IT SHOULD GO TO LIAISON.
I DON'T DEFINITELY THINK WE COULD ASK THEM OR MAKE THEM AWARE.
YEAH, SOME OF 'EM MAY NOT EVEN BE AWARE OF IT.
IT SEEMED LIKE IT GOT LAUNCHED UNDER JOE OFFICE THAT WASN'T IT ON JULY? WAS IT ON JULY'S LIAISON? YEAH.
WERE YOU? YEAH, I FEEL JULY WE BROUGHT IT OUT AND WE SHOWED THEM AND THEY WERE NOT MUCH LIKE US.
THEY WEREN'T AWARE WHEN THE CRIES ROAD GOT BUILT, BUT IT'S, I THINK THEIR POSITION IS THAT, UM, AND, AND IT WAS AT THE TIME IS, UH, THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT.
WE JUST HAD TO DO ALL THE LEG WORK AND SO THINK WE JUST NEED TO GIVE THE DRAFTING OF ORDINANCE AND WE SPENT THE MONEY AND HAD IT SURVEYED.
I BELIEVE MR. MERCHANTS ON IT.
NO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WELL, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE APRIL THE EIGHTH ON AND JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S STILL ON IT AND THEN IF THEY ARE, THEN MR. SONIC CAN START WHATEVER THE NEXT PROCESS IS.
THIS IS WHY WE DON'T WAIVE SIDEWALKS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF SUBDIVISIONS.
THE, UM, SO ELECTRIC EXPENDITURES, WE DO HAVE A PURCHASE POWER COST OF 17.3 MILLION.
UH, DID WANNA POINT OUT THERE, FROM 20 FISCAL PERIOD, 24 TO FIFTH YEAR 27, THE PURCHASE POWER HAS INCREASED 22%.
UM, AND WE HAVE THE HAPPY CREEK, UH, SUBSTATION, $200,000 HERE, 2 0 5, SORRY.
PROVIDES, UH, UH, UH, PROVIDES AND UPDATE THE COST OF SERVICE ANALYSIS FOR $40,000.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS, UH, REVISIT PHASE TWO, UH, TO MAYBE COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN OF ACTION, GIVING US NEW INFORMATION THAT'S COME UP.
UM, ASSET SOFTWARE, UH, YEAR 4, 5 9500, UH, SCHOOL FLASHER SOFTWARE, $2,500.
VEGETATION MANAGEMENT, $180,000.
THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED UNDER THE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE, UH, LINE EXTENSIONS FOR UPCOMING SUBDIVISIONS.
200,000 HAPPY CREEK SUBSTATION, TRANSFORMER, I THINK.
HAVE THAT ON THERE TWICE, DON'T I? OH, OKAY.
THERE'RE SOMEWHERE, DIDN'T I? THAT MEAN WE HAVE NO, NO ONE SUBSTATION, ONE SUB TRANSFORMER.
I READ IT IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT'S THE SAME.
DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE AN EXTRA $200,000? NO, I JUST PUT IT ON HERE TWICE.
BUT IS IT THE T OR IS IT THE SUBSTATION OR IS THAT IT'S TRANSFORMERS IS YEAR TWO OF FIVE.
THE BOTTOM ONE IS, UH, SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, I MUST HAVE HAD IT ON THERE FROM LAST YEAR AND DIDN'T REMOVE IT.
UM, AND THEN I HAVE, UH, AT THE BOTTOM THERE, UH, CONTINGENCY, UH, TO HELP REPLENISH RESERVES $174,000.
UH, WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT, UH, ELECTRIC FUND WILL BE, UM, WE HAVE A DEFICIT THIS YEAR.
SO TRYING TO HELP OFFSET THAT AND REPLENISH THOSE RESERVES.
HOW MANY YEARS WOULD YOU SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UM, BUDGET THAT TO, UM, RECOVER WHERE WE'RE IN THE HOLE? UM, THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
I'M, I'M HOPING, UH, THAT IF THINGS WORK OUT, I'M HOPING MAYBE BY, UH, THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 27, WE WILL BE CLOSE.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT WE END THIS YEAR WITH.
UM, SO, UH, REALLY TRYING TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
BUT, UM, UH, IF WE GET THE, UH, THESE, UH, THE RATES APPROVED FOR APRIL 1ST, AND AS LONG AS
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YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE WE DID IN JANUARY, UM, I'M, I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO RECOVER WITHIN A YEAR.UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF IFS IN THERE, UNFORTUNATELY.
DOES THAT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE $40,000 FOR THIS SERVICE ANALYSIS? YEAH.
SO THE COST OF SERVICE, YES, IT WILL INDEED THE, UM, FOR PHASE TWO NEED TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT PHASE TWO.
UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO FIND, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE.
SEE WHAT YOU KNOW, WILL BE A BETTER WAY.
WE'LL BE BRINGING TWO PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENTS IN FRONT OF Y'ALL.
UM, THIS SMALL AND THIS RATE, UH, COST OF SERVICE ANALYSIS WILL BE TO ADJUST FOR WHERE WE'LL BE AT WITH THESE NEW PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENTS.
ELECTRIC HAS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, CHASE A MOVING TARGET.
SO, SO THE LINE EXTENSIONS ARE NOT, NONE OF THAT IS PASSED ON TO THE DEVELOPERS.
SO WE DO BUDGET, UH, REVENUE FOR CONNECTIONS.
UH, SO, AND THAT DOES HELP OFFSET THAT.
UH, BUT GARY, YOU WANT TO, YEAH, SO THEY, SO THEY PAY FOR ALL ENGINEERING UP FRONT AND LIKE THE STREET LIGHTS AND CONDUIT INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT UPFRONT.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE GO THROUGH A PER LOT CHARGE.
THAT'S WHY WE JUST DID THE INCREASE.
UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE RECOUP OUR FUNDS.
SO IF 20 HOUSES COME IN, THEY SHOULD PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, 300 FOOT OF WIRE, X NUMBER OF TRANSFORMERS.
SO IS THE GOAL THAT WE BREAK EVEN WITH THAT? I MEAN, IS THAT THE GOAL? IS THAT WE AREN'T THAT'S CORRECT.
SUBSIDIZING THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
OUR STAFF IS PART OF THAT TOO, THOUGH.
NOT JUST COST, NOT JUST MATERIALS, BUT MATERIAL STAB TIME, EVERYTHING.
AND I THINK WE BUDGETED ROUGHLY 300.
AND THAT'S ALL, ALL LINE EXTENSION IS, IS FOR NEW, NEW GROWTH.
SO THE CONNECTION CHARGES, WE DID BUDGET $239,000 600 FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, STAFF TIME AND THEN THE EQUIPMENT OR THE ACTUAL, UH, EXPENSE FOR THE LINES THEMSELVES.
I THOUGHT THE CONSULTANT SAID TOO, BACK TO THE WHOLE LIKE CONTINGENCY, 'CAUSE I RECALL THE CONSULTANT WAS SAYING 11%, LIKE START OFF WITH 11.1%, BASICALLY, YOU KINDA MAYBE STEP IN, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEN BY THIS, THE NEXT YEAR WE WOULD MAYBE 15%, WHICH IS NOT 15 IN ADDITION TO THE 11.
I TOLD SOMEBODY I SAID IT WAS 15.
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 11.1.
THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO KIND OF REEVALUATE.
BUT DIDN'T WE VOTE TO, OR DID WE VOTE? WE HAVEN'T YET FOR THE SECOND PHASE.
I THOUGHT IF WE HAD VOTED THAT AND WE'RE GONNA DO AN ANALYSIS COME JULY 1ST.
NO, WE'RE DO PHASE ONE AND THEN, UH, TRY TO RECAP WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT, BUT HE HAD SAID LIKE, YEAR TWO, YEAR THREE, YEAR FOUR, YEAR FIVE, BEFORE WE NEED TO DO A COST OF SERVICE AGAIN.
THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD LAND AT THAT 15% AND STAY.
RIGHT? I MEAN, I, I, I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, I MEAN, WE'D HAVE THE POWER OFF ADJUSTMENT TO THAT WOULD GO UP AND DOWN, BUT THE, UM, UH, BUT IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT PHASE TWO, WE WOULD BE THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT.
BUT PHASE TWO IS A BIT OF A JUMP.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S RIGHT FOR, FOR PHASE TWO, WE DON'T WANT TO BE, WE DON'T WANNA LOSE NO MONEY.
NO, I MEAN, AND WE DON'T WANT OUR POWER COST ADJUSTMENT WAY OUTTA HAND.
SO, BJ, BEFORE YOU MOVE INTO WATER, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THE METER READING? I, I KNEW AT ONE TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT THE NEW SOFTWARE AND KNOWING WHERE WE COULD READ THE METERS AND TELL 'EM SOMEBODY'S RUNNING WATER 24 7 OR THEIR ELECTRIC AND SUCH, ALL THAT FIT INTO THIS.
SO THE SOFTWARE IS STILL MOVING FORWARD.
WE HOPEFULLY, FINGERS CROSSED, THE SOFTWARE WILL BE IMPLEMENTED BY OCTOBER.
UM, A MI WE MUCH PUT EVERYTHING ON HOLD THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN TILL WE CAN GET OUR RESERVES BACK UP.
UM, WE'VE HAD TO PLACE, WE TOOK, UH, WE, UH, TOOK THINGS OUT OF THE BUDGET THAT, UM, I MEAN THIS IS A BARE BONES, WHAT DO WE NEED TO KEEP OPERATING BUDGET IS WHAT WE'VE PROVIDED.
UM, SO A MI HAS BEEN TAKEN OUTTA THE BUDGET.
WELL, WHAT WAS THE SAVINGS THAT WE WERE GONNA RECOGNIZE WITH THAT? WE WERE SAVINGS.
I THINK THE ONLY SAVINGS WE SAW IS MUST WHEN THE WELL, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL UNTIL, YEAH.
SO I'M SAYING THE SAVINGS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE PAYING
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FOR THE STREET SWEEPER NEXT YEAR.STREET SWEEPER, DID YOU SAY WE HAVE, WE PAID OFF THIS YEAR.
I WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT THE METERING AND THAT SHOULD BE SAVING US SOME MONEY AND GIVING US SOME THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE NOW.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVER GOING TO SAVE US MONEY.
IT WAS JUST A CON NOT MAKING MORE OF A CONVENIENCE, BUT MAKING SOMETHING MORE EFFICIENT SO PEOPLE COULD ABSOLUTELY SEE WHAT USAGE WAS.
SEND A STAFF MEMBER OUT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING.
IT WAS MORE OF THAT THAN IT WAS.
I THINK OR MAYBE THAT THEIR BILLS WOULD EVEN SHOW THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO MONITOR ONLINE AND THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAVE, UH, THEY COULD GET NOTIFICATIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, BACK IN JANUARY WHEN THE ELECTRIC, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S USING A LOT OF ELECTRIC, MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN AN ALERT, SAY, HEY, IT IS GOING ON.
UM, 'CAUSE THE SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE, WE'LL HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.
THE NEXT STEP IS GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THE, UM, THE ACTUAL METERS AND THE DATA COLLECTION POINTS AND, AND THOSE ITEMS. NOT TO SAY THAT WE'RE TOTALLY OUT OF IT.
I MEAN, THAT MIGHT, MAYBE THERE'S GRANTS OR, OR, UM, ONCE WE RECOVER, WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK.
WE HAVE THAT MONEY IN CONTINGENCY IF, IF A MIRACLE HAPPENS AND WE'RE ABLE TO RECOVER.
BUT, UM, AS OF NOW, WE'VE TAKEN IT OUT OF THE BUDGET.
THE OTHER THING, I HAD A QUESTION BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT REALLY FALLS UNDER, BECAUSE WE HAVE A SIGNALIZATION UNDER THE ELECTRIC, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WE AND VDOT WERE WORKING ON TRAFFIC SIGNALS AT MAJOR INTERSECTIONS FOR PEDESTRIANS.
IS THAT WE HAVE GRANTS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST WAITING ON VDOT.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, BACKBOARDS THE REFLECTIVE BACKBOARDS AND WE HAVE THREE INTERSECTIONS THAT WERE GETTING PET CROSSINGS UP.
AND THAT'S IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET.
SO WE HAVE REGULATORY, UH, COMPLIANCE, PFAS AND LEAD COPPER REQUIREMENTS.
YEAR TWO OF TWO FOR $25,000 IMPINGEMENT AND ENTRAINMENT.
UH, STUDY FOR THE, UH, WATER SOURCE INTAKES, UH, FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
UH, THIS IS A NEW, UH, IN RELATES TO A DEQ REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN AUGUST OF 2031.
IS THAT CORRECT, ROBBIE? OR AUGUST, 2031.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE BY THEN, AND WE'RE TRYING TO REVIEW ALL OF OUR OPTIONS.
'CAUSE IT IS, UH, COULD BE A COSTLY PLAN.
UH, AND, AND RACKS OR INDEX, UH, TRAVEL SCREEN REPLACEMENT, 75,000 YEAR 4 0 4.
UM, RAW WATER, RIVER PUMP MOTOR SWITCH GEAR FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO WORK ON THAT.
UH, REPAIR OLD WATER, UH, PRE SETTLING BASIN.
UM, WATER TREATMENT PLANT FOE ENTRY UPGRADE, YEAR ONE OF TWO FOR 50,000.
AND, UH, VENT TRACK, HILLSIDE MOWER, UH, REMOTE DECK FOR DAM KEY FOR 65,000.
UH, THAT IS, UH, TO MOW THE DAM TO BRUSH, UH, CLEAN UP THE BRUSH AROUND THE DAM.
BUT WE'D ALSO BE ABLE TO USE IT, UH, FOR, UM, UH, UH, THE CREEKS, THE BRIDGE, RIGHT? UM, UH, LIKE UNDERNEATH BRIDGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO HELP CLEAN SOME OF THE BRUSH OUT.
SO NOT JUST FOR THE WATER PLANT, BUT, UM, QUESTIONS THERE? I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING COMING DOWN TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON WATER TREATMENT PLANTS TOO, WASN'T THERE? UM, THERE'S A LOT.
HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THE, MAYBE LEAD COPPER WOULDN'T BE RELAXED.
WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF DOING A, UM, LEAD COPPER INVENTORY.
I'M IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT AND FINISHING THAT UP.
THAT'S WHAT YOU NO, IT WASN'T LEAD TO COPPER.
IT'S SOMETHING WITH THE WATER TREATMENT PLAN.
I'LL GO, I'LL SEE IF I CAN LAY MY HANDS ON IT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T, IT.
THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT PO AND DIFFERENT REGULATIONS AROUND THAT.
UM, I JUST SAW THE HEADLINE FOR IT RECENTLY.
I LAND APPLICATION FOR WASTEWATER IS ANOTHER BIG ONE THIS YEAR.
UH, BJ AGAIN, MAYBE IT'S UNDER ONE OF THESE OTHERS.
I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE MOVING AHEAD WITH THE CLEAR WELL REPAIRS.
IT'S ON THE, I HAVE A SLIDE FOR IT.
SO YEAH, IT'S, UH, UM, IT IS WATER, BUT, UM, UH, WE'LL GET THERE HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.
UH, SO, UH, MORE WATER EXPENDITURES.
WE HAVE THE WATER LINE UPGRADES.
IT DOES, UH, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PAVING PLAN, NORTH ROYAL AVENUE, UH, 336,000 OAK STREET STEEL AVENUE, I'M SORRY, OAK STREET, 165,000.
THEN WE HAVE SOME INTERCONNECTIONS, UH, FOR STEEL AVENUE AND OAK RIDGE.
UM, THOSE WILL HELP, UH, UM, UH, MAKE OUR SYSTEM, I GUESS MORE, WHAT'S THE
IT KEEPS THE WATER QUALITY BETTER AND IT HELPS WITH THE HYDRAULICS.
UM, AGAIN, YOU SEE THE TRACK LOADER 'CAUSE WE'RE SPLITTING THAT ACROSS THE MULTIPLE, UH, UH, DEPARTMENTS AND FUNDS.
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SELF PRIMING PUMPS FOR 17,500.THAT'S ALSO SPLIT WITH SEWER LAND MAINTENANCE.
YOU'LL SEE THAT AGAIN HERE IN A SECOND.
ONE FIRE DEPARTMENT WATER METER VAULT, $45,000.
UM, THE, UH, THAT'S MAINLY SO WE CAN TRACK OUR WATER LOSS, UH, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES GET FREE WATER FROM THE TOWN, UH, BASED ON THE AGREEMENT.
UH, BUT IT'S ALSO WOULD HELP US, UH, TRACK THE, UH, WATER LOSS.
UM, A LEAK DETECTION, $60,000 THAT PAYS FOR ITSELF.
UM, AND THEN THE LARGE METER TESTING FOR $25,000.
THAT'S A VERY VIABLE PROGRAM AS WELL.
UM, IT'S HELPED OUT WITH OUR REVENUES THERE.
SO HEADS UP ALL THE WATER LINE UPGRADES, WATER LINE UPGRADES IS JUST LIKE WHAT WE DEALT WITH RURAL AVENUE IS.
PEOPLE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT AS WE ARE TEARING UP AND REPLACING WATER LINES, THE PAVEMENT IS GONNA BE ROUGH.
AND THEN IT'LL LOOK GOOD WHEN WE'RE DONE.
JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED ON ROYAL AVENUE.
THEY SOCIAL MEDIA, IT'S GOING OVER TO THE SEWER EXPENDITURES.
UH, WE HAVE A QUEST CAMERA EQUIPMENT, UH, REPLACEMENT YEAR TWO OF TWO FOR $80,000.
THAT'S FOR MAINLY OUR JUST REGULAR OPERATIONAL ITEMS. UM, WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS PROBABLY HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE WITH A, UH, FLOW METERING FOR THE SEWER, UH, FLOW METERS.
UH, A TASK ORDER ON THAT DEBT SERVICE FOR THE VAC TRUCK THAT WE, UH, JUST GOT THERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
AGAIN, THERE'S A PRI UH, SELF PRIMING, UH, PUMPS AGAIN.
AND THEN THE, UM, UH, FLUSH TRUCKS.
I PUT THAT IN THERE TWICE TOO.
HEY, BUT I DO HAVE THE YEARS, RIGHT? IT'S JUST IN THERE TWICE.
UH, SO OUR DEBT SERVICE, WATER WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THE $1.9 MILLION, SO THAT IS A 0% FINANCED, UM, A LOAN THAT'LL END IN 2037.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE, UH, WATER PLAN UPGRADE FOR THE $757,000 THAT WILL DROP OFF NEXT YEAR, OCTOBER, 2026.
WHAT'S THAT? SHE SAID THE 2037.
I SAID, I HOPE I'M ALIVE FOR THAT ONE.
AND SHE SAID, WELL, YOU'LL BE ALLOWED FOR THE 2026.
HOPE SO WRONG
AND THEN, UH, NOW WE'LL START GETTING INTO THE CLEAR WELLS HERE.
THAT'S WHAT THE QUESTION MR. WOOD WAS ASKING ABOUT.
SO WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? WE DID MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR, UM, THESE MAJOR PROJECTS.
THE CLEAR WELLS, UH, REPAIRS FOUR H PUMP STATION AND THE JAMESTOWN WATER PUMP STATION MADE THAT APPLICATION IN MAY OF 2025, THAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS SHUT DOWN THERE FOR A FEW MONTHS AND THEY'VE BEEN DELAYED.
WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT WE WILL NOT RECEIVE, UM, UH, POTENTIAL APPROVALS FOR THAT UNTIL MAY OF 2026.
SO, AS THE BUDGET, YOUR HONOR, THEY GET READY TO SHUT DOWN AGAIN.
HOPE WE GET OUR APPROVAL SOON.
ONE, JUST HOMELAND SECURITY SHUT DOWN.
SO, UH, RIGHT NOW WHERE IT STANDS IS WE HAVE THAT MONEY BUDGET IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET.
WE'RE GONNA PLAN TO ROLL THAT FORWARD, UM, FOR THE DEBT SERVICES ON THESE PROJECTS, SHOULD THEY HOPEFULLY MOVE FORWARD.
I REALLY DO HOPE THEY MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE SOME, UH, GOOD PROGRAMS THERE, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE APPROVAL, UH, AS OF YET ON THOSE.
SO HOPEFULLY I'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL HERE IN A COUPLE MONTHS WITH SOME GOOD NEWS.
AND GOING OVER TO THE, UH, SEWER FUND.
UH, SO THE SEWER FUND WAS AUTHORIZED.
UH, WE RECEIVED THOSE, UH, FROM THE, UH, STATE WATER BOARD WITH A CLEAN WATER REVOLVING LOAN FUND, UH, ON THE RIVERTON PUMP STATION FOR 1.8 MILLION.
MAXIMUM FINANCING IN THE CENTRIFUGE OF SEVEN, UH, 7.9 MILLION.
UH, THOSE COULD BE A ANTICIPATED TERM OF 20 TO 25 YEARS, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE ELECT, UH, WITH, UH, INTEREST RATES FROM 0.5% TO 3% BASED ON WHEN WE CLOSE ON THOSE.
UH, WE DO HAVE TO CLOSE ON THOSE BY NOVEMBER OF 2026.
UH, THE FISCAL YEAR PROPOSED BUDGET DOES INCLUDE THE $485,000 UNDER SUPER CONTINGENCY FOR POTENTIAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS.
UM, I'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL WITH NEXT WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THE CENTRIFUGE PROJECT IN MORE DETAIL.
UH, RIVERTON UH, SEWER PUMP STATION, THOUGH IS MOVING FULL STEAM AHEAD.
UH, SO THAT IS, UH, GOOD NEWS.
BUT WE'LL BE TALKING MORE ABOUT THE CENTRIFUGE NEXT TIME AROUND.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHERE THE FINANCING IS AT THE PRESENT TIME? AT WHAT RATE? YOU MEAN IF WE WERE THE PRIVATE LOANS? OH, YOU MEAN, OH, FOR THIS LOAN? UH, I THINK THEY QUOTED US.
I WANNA SIT, IT WAS LIKE THREE AND A QUARTER.
WAS THAT WHAT IT WAS? IT WAS RIGHT ALONG IN THERE.
THEY AIN'T ALWAYS UPDATED ON THEIR WEBSITE.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE UP THERE.
WEBSITE, UM, SHOWS THE CURRENT RATES, UH, FOR CLOSING.
UM, BUT IN ORDER TO GET TO CLOSING, YOU HAVE TO, UM, HAVE BID THE, UH, BID IT OUT, RECEIVED BIDS BACK, UM, AND PRETTY MUCH BE READY TO, YOU KNOW, START CONSTRUCTION UPON CLOSING ON ONE.
UM, SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF GOING THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY, UH, ENGINEERING ON THE RIVERS AND PUMP STATION.
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UM, WE HAVE TO GET THE, THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY VRA.UH, WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM WEDNESDAY TO ACTUALLY HOPEFULLY FINALIZE THAT AND GET THOSE BIDS OUT ON THE STREET.
TO YOUR QUESTION, NO, BUT I DID, I DID FIND WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT PASSED OR NOT.
SB 3 86 DISTRIBUTION OF SEWAGE SLUDGE AND THEN THE BIG LONG PFAS SUBSTANCES TESTING REQUIREMENTS.
THEY WERE GONNA GET REALLY RESTRICT WITH THEM AND SAID IT WOULD INCREASE COST FOR WASTEWATER FACILITIES.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE LAND APPLICATION.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO IT, BUT IT, IT HAS, IT IS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY.
OH, IS THAT FOR SPREADING? OH, OKAY.
YEAH, THEY HAVE REALLY CRACKED SLURRY.
YEAH, I CAN, WE'RE GONNA FIGURE A WAY TO PAY FOR DC'S LEAK
THE ONE, THE ONE THING YOU DECIDE NOT TO DO HERE IS LOOK AT, I CALL IT AN OVERFLOW RETENTION POND AT WASTE WASTEWATER.
THAT WAS SOMETHING JOE WA WAS SAYING THAT WE, WE NEEDED IT.
SO WHEN WE HAD A A OUS AMOUNT OF RAIN, IT COULD FLOW IN THE ATTENTION POND AND BE TREATED WITH IT.
UM, THE CONSULTANT SAID HE DIDN'T RECOMMEND THAT OPTION, CORRECT? YEAH.
IF HE WAS IN HERE, WHAT, A MONTH AGO? IT WAS BACK IN JANUARY WHEN HE CAME IN.
I'LL GET WITH YOU ON THAT WAS A MEETING YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED.
WHEN CA WAS HERE, HE DIDN'T RECOMMEND THAT OPTION.
HE SAID THERE WAS ANOTHER BETTER, MORE VIABLE, SAFER.
I THINK HE EVEN HAD A SLIDE IN THERE ABOUT THAT.
UH, SO A 20 YEAR FOR THE, UH, CLEAN WATER REVOLVING LOAN FUND IN MARCH OF 26, A 20 YEAR LOAN IS 2.35%.
UH, THE 25 YEAR LOAN IS 2.95 FOR MARCH, 2026.
SO WE'RE TRYING, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT, YEAH, WE'RE CLOSING.
WE'RE GONNA BE CLOSER TO CENTRIFUGE IS PROBABLY GONNA BE CLOSER TO NOVEMBER.
NOVEMBER, UM, THE, UM, RIVERTON PUMP STATION.
COULD BE BE, YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AHEAD OF A BIT.
WHAT'S THAT? OH YEAH,
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO GO UP TO THAT 8 MILLION SOLID WASTE HIGHLIGHTS.
UM, BRUSH GRINDING SERVICES FOR $50,000.
AND THEN, UH, REPLACE, UH, THE, UH, 2008 INTERNATIONAL, UH, REFUGE TRUCK.
IT SAYS YEAR TWO OF QUESTION MARK BECAUSE, UH, THE TYPE OF, UH, REPLACEMENT, UH, VEHICLE WILL BE DETERMINED.
UH, MSW CONSULTANTS WILL BE HERE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS, TO DISCUSS THEIR FINDINGS ON THE ANALYSIS, UH, FOR THE AUTOMATED, UM, UH, SOLID WASTE COLLECTION FEASIBILITY STUDY.
UH, SO THEY'RE PLANNING TO BE HERE NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO WITH THAT, UH, AT A LATER DATE.
JUST REITERATE THAT AGAIN SO WE CAN, UH, DISCUSS AGAIN MARCH 9TH.
UH, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE WE HAVEN'T ANSWERED THIS EVENING, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME OR JOE.
UH, WE CAN BRING THOSE BACK, UH, NEXT WEEK, UH, WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
APRIL 6TH, WE'LL BE REQUESTING, UH, THE TAX RATES FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THAT'S JUST FOR THE ADVERTISEMENT OF THE TAX RATES.
AND THEN, UM, APRIL 27TH WOULD BE THE APPROVAL OF THE TAX RATES.
MAY 11TH PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BUDGET HERE, AND THEN MAY 26TH, UH, UH, REQUEST APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET AND THE UTILITY RATE ORDINANCES, UTILITY RATE ORDINANCES BEING WATER AND SEWER, UM, ELECTRIC, OBVIOUSLY, UH, TRYING TO GET THOSE APPROVED HERE IN MARCH.
SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WILSON RIGHT NOW? SO EVERYBODY HAS THEIR BOOKS.
THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK THOSE OVER THIS WEEK.
AS HE SAID, YOU CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO HIM AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU CAN BRING YOUR QUESTIONS BACK NEXT MONDAY NIGHT, BUT OKAY.
THANK, THANK, THANKS ALL, ALL STAFF FOR COMING AND SUPPORTING ME AND HELPING ME THROUGH THIS.
THANKS TO ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS SAT HERE.
SO WE ONLY THREW OUT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
I ASKED IF HE DO THIS FOR ME AND, AND HE KNEW IT ALL.
YOU REAL SURPRISED? I WAS GONNA SAY THEY MUST NOT HAVE ASKED FOR MUCH OR THEY MUST HAVE.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS A REQUEST TO ALLOW A SHORT TERM RENTAL AT TWO 14 LEE STREET FOR, UH, VERONICA TELEPHONE, IF I'M SAY, IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT? YEP.
MS.
YOU'RE GONNA BE UP THERE FOR ALL.
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SHE DID.DUNNO IF SHE TALKED ABOUT, YEAH, I DON'T THINK SHE WAS HERE LAST WEEK.
SHE DIDN'T COME TO A MEETING? NO, NO.
SHE CAME TO, OUR MEETING WAS PROBABLY ABOUT THE SHORT TERM.
SHE WAS A, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HERE ON THE 18TH.
SO THIS IS LOCATED IN OUR, UH, WHERE IS IT? DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL, HISTORIC AREA.
THE DISTRICT, UM, SHE'S APPLYING FOR A WHOLE HOUSE, SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO FOUR BEDROOMS, NO MORE THAN 10 OCCUPANTS.
UM, THE DRIVEWAY PROVIDES I THINK THREE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
STAFF WENT OUT, DID AN INSPECTION.
IT'S COMPLIANT WITH OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE.
UM, ON THE 18TH PLANNING COMMISSION HELD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO BELIEVE ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS CAME AND SPOKE AGAINST APPROVAL.
THERE ARE OTHER SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I THINK ONE IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR AT 2 0 6.
UM, BUT PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE UP TO 10 PEOPLE.
OUR ORDINANCE PERMITS AT A, IN A SHORT TERM RATHER.
UM, TYPICALLY WE SAY TWO, NO MORE THAN TWO PER BEDROOM.
AND THERE'S FOUR BEDROOMS. FOUR BEDROOMS. SO NOW IF WE DO 10 OR NOT, THAT'S WHAT SHE APPLIED FOR.
YOU WOULD, YOU CAN LET THE
AND THE WAY THAT A LOT OF 'EM OPERATE IS A PULLOUT SOFA COUCH FOR TWO.
OR TWO BUNK BEDS OR A FAMILY OF EIGHT.
SO WHEN WE TRAVEL, WE HAVE KIND OF ALTERNATIVE, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WAS THIS A NEW PURCHASE OR HAS SHE OWNED THIS? AND I BELIEVE SHE'S RECENTLY PURCHASED IT.
UM, AND SHE COMES OUT ON THE WEEKENDS, UH, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SHE EXPLAINED THAT THEY COME OUT MOST WEEKENDS.
UM, THEY LIVE ABOUT 50 MINUTES AWAY AND THEY'RE NOT COMING OUT.
THEY'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO USE IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
NO, I'VE REALLY BEEN AN ADVOCATE OF SHORT TERM RENTAL, BUT I REALLY, UM, I REALLY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SOMEBODY LIVING THAT FAR AWAY FROM IT UNLESS THEY'VE GOT A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE NEIGHBORS MAY NOT HAVE A
I I KNOW, UH, SEVERAL OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A TRELLIS, IT'S RAN BY A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY, NOT BY THE OWNER.
UM, A LOT OF THE AIRBNBS ARE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PROPERTY MANAGERS IN FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY WHO HAS MOST OF THEM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY FOR, UH, ONCALL MAINTENANCE AT THE HOT WATER HEATER BREAKS.
THEY THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY DO THAT.
WHEN YOU SAY THAT, I'M NOT LIKE, I LIKE SOMEBODY LOCAL.
I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN FOR ALL OF THAT.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE, I JUST, THE REASON WHY I ASKED, AND I WAS ON THIS COUNCIL WHEN SHORT TERM RENTALS WERE APPROVED, UM, AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY YOU DON'T KNOW, WHICH YOU DIDN'T KNOW THEN, BUT YOU KNOW NOW, UM, THE REASON WHY I ASKED WAS THAT NEW PURCHASES, YOU KNOW, I, I'M BEING COMPLETELY HONEST WITH FOLKS, I, I HOPE THAT PROPERTIES AROUND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AREN'T BEING PURCHASED BY PEOPLE STRICTLY AS AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY AND OR LOTS OF THAT HAPPENING.
I KNOW IT DOES WITH SOME, BUT ANYWAY, JUST 'CAUSE IT, IT DOES DECREASE OUR HOUSING INVENTORY.
THE BENEFITS OF LOOK HOW NICE THAT LOOKS.
AND MAYBE IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT NICE BEFORE THEY BOUGHT IT AND STUFF.
BUT THAT, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING LIKE, LIKE IF THEY ARE COMING HERE ON THE WEEKENDS AND LIVING, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT IF IT WAS MAINLY JUST BOUGHT TO BE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, ONE OF OUR VERY FIRST APPLICATIONS WAS VIRGINIA AVENUE AND SHE WAS A YOUNGER LADY AND SHE USED IT ON THE WEEKENDS AND IN THE, IN HER VACATION DAYS THAT SHE COULD.
BUT SHE USED IT TO OFFSET HER EXPENSES FOR PURCHASING THE HOUSE TO ONE DAY RETIRE AT FRONT ROYAL.
AND I TALKED TO A SNOWBIRD TODAY WHO WAS BUILDING A HOUSE IN FRONT ROYAL.
THEY'RE GONNA LIVE HALF AND HALF IN MYRTLE BEACH, SOUTH CAROLINA, AND THEY WERE BORN AND RAISED HERE.
THEY'RE COMING BACK TO THEIR ROOTS, BUT THEY NEED TO OFFSET THAT DEBT WHEN THEY'RE NOT OCCUPYING IT.
WELL, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S,
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THAT'S ONE OF THE GOOD FEATURES OF, UH, OF OWNER, OWNER OCCUPANT OCCUPYING, UH, FEATURES, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO SHORT TERM RENTALS.BUT IT WOULD BE TRICKY TO RENT OUT IF THERE'S FOUR BEDROOMS AND OWNER OCCUPIED.
THAT WOULD BE THE TRICKY PART IS I'M, I'M IN ONE BEDROOM AND WE'RE RENTING OUT THE OTHER THREE THAT ALMOST FEELS LIKE A BED AND BREAKFAST, YOU KNOW, SHARED KITCHEN, SHARED BATHROOM, SHARED COMMON AREA.
I WILL SAY THE OTHER THING IS, I, I TALKED TO SOMEBODY ON MAIN STREET ON MY WAY INTO THE MEETING TONIGHT.
YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE VALLEY HEALTH IS STILL LARGELY MAJORITY TRAVEL CONTRACTS AND THEY'RE DOING ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 180 DAY CONTRACTS RIGHT NOW.
SO THE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WE DO HAVE IN FRONT OIL ARE MOSTLY OCCUPIED BY TRAVELING PROFESSIONALS.
UM, THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS AN OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST WHO'S HERE ON A 90 DAY CONTRACT FOR VALLEY HEALTH.
UM, AND THEN THEY WERE LIKE, I COME BACK HERE AND TRY TO GET A JOB FULL TIME BY, BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE EXPERIENCE AND THE CHARM OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE OCCUPYING THE ONES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE NOT PEOPLE VACATIONING, WHICH WOULD BE NICE.
BUT IT, TRAVELING PROFESSIONALS FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS INCORPORATED SOMETHING WHERE WE AUDIT, BECAUSE I'M NOT CONVINCED WE'RE GETTING OUR OCCUPANCY RENTAL TAX OUTTA ONE AND MR. WILSON LEFT.
BUT I, I KNOW AND THAT HE I NO, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
I WAS JUST SAYING MR. WILSON LEFT.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT HE WOULD AGREE WITH YOU
WELL THEN SHAME ON US IF WE, UH, ALLOW SOMETHING TO HAPPEN THAT WE HAVEN'T HAVE CONTROL ON AND WE'RE NOT GETTING OUR FAX FOR EVERY MEAL AND WE'RE USING UP OUR HOUSE.
NOW BJ'S CONCERN WITH THE AUDIT IS HOW TO DO IT BECAUSE HAVING RENTED, DEPENDING ON THE PLATFORM YOU USE, IF YOU USE AIRBNB, THEY AUTOMATICALLY DEDUCT THAT STUFF IF YOU USE, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT WEBSITES AND PLATFORMS THAT YOU CAN ADVERTISE THEM ACROSS AND SOME OF 'EM DON'T AUTOMATICALLY COLLECT, WHICH THEN PUTS IT BACK ON THE HOMEOWNER TO COLLECT AND REPORT.
AND THE REPORTING IS WHERE IT GETS CONVOLUTED AND IT'S A STATEWIDE ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY EVEN, UH, THOUGHT THAT LAST YEAR THEY TRIED TO GET THE LEGISLATURE TO AGREE TO BASICALLY BE THE ONES THAT COLLECTED AND THEN DISTRIBUTED OUT TO THE LOCALITIES.
BUT IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THAT GOT A LOT OF TRACTION.
AND I'M SURE IT'S 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT ANOTHER DEPARTMENT TO HAVE TO DO THAT.
BUT, UM, BUT IT DOES FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF OUR, LIKE DEALS OF MILL TAX OR THINGS WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T PAYING THE ONE TIME AND BECAUSE WE LEAVE IT UP TO THEM, BUT AT LEAST WE KNOW WE AT LEAST WE KNOW THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING IT FROM THEM WITH THESE, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT RENT IT OR THEY MAY NEVER RENT IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
THIS IS THE 27TH SHORT TERM RENTAL ACTIVATION THAT WOULD TAKE IT IN.
SO OUT OF ALL THE HOUSING STOCK IN FRONT ROYAL, WE HAVE 27 PERMITTED SHORT TERM RENTALS.
WE DON'T KNOW WE A 50% RENTAL RATE AND WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THOSE WHEN PEOPLE ARE BUYING UP THOSE PROPERTIES AND THEN RENTING 'EM OUT LONG TERM.
WELL, AND HERE'S THE FACT OF THE MATTER.
YOU GOT A SLUM AWARD WHO'S VERY WELL KNOWN.
THE TOWN OF DUR ROYAL, ALL OF HIS ARE LONG-TERM RENTALS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO SOMEBODY THROUGH NONPROFIT WORK THE OTHER DAY WHO'S LIVING IN ONE AND THEY'VE BEEN STUCK IN IT PAYING AN ABSURD AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
AND SO THEY WERE WILLING TO GO TO A SHORT TERM RENTAL IF I KNOW OF ANY AVAILABLE TO GET AWAY FROM THE SLUM BOARD AND SO THEY COULD FIND A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION.
SO I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, BUT YOU HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE THIS, THIS IS THEIR HOME.
EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT OCCUPYING IT 24 7, THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR INVESTMENT.
THEY'RE NOT WANTING SOME, IF THIS, IF I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SAY NAMES FOR THE TOWN'S SAKE, SAME SLUMLORD WERE TO BUY THIS, HE COULD RENT IT TO 15 PEOPLE WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THERE'D BE NEEDLES IN THE FRONT YARD.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED AT THE OTHER ONE, THE F*****G DOWN THE STREET.
I'LL SAY WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS THAT ANY OF OUR SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THEY DO TEND TO KEEP THEIR PROPERTIES CLEAN.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY AND YOU ONLY HAVE ONE NEIGHBOR SPEAK AGAINST IT.
WELL ACTUALLY THERE ARE OTHERS.
WELL, THEY'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
I HAVE HEARD THIS, BUT UH, AGAIN, THAT'S A GOOD REASON FOR OWNER OCCUPIED.
'CAUSE IF THE OWNER IS THERE, THE OWNER KNOWS THAT THE OWNER HAS A STAKEHOLDER ENTERS TO THAT.
THE PROPERTY IS, PEOPLE AREN'T COMFORTABLE LIVING IN THE SAME HOUSE AT THE SAME, LIKE WHEN I
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AIRBNB SOMETHING, I DON'T WANT ANOTHER FAMILY LIVING.AIRBNB PEOPLE, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T RENT AND STAY THERE AT THE SAME TIME.
THE BATHROOM, THAT'S SO SITUATION.
THAT'S NOT AN SHORT TERM RENTALS FOLKS ARE SOMEHOW ONLY WORKS IN THEIR HOUSE.
SO I DON'T, I'M SAYING THAT IT COULD WORK HERE.
I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH IT.
IF YOU, IF YOU'RE GOING ON VACATION, YOU DON'T WANNA BE IN THE HOUSE.
SO SOMEBODY IS A LITTLE CREEPY.
ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE YOUR NEARBY, THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.
REQUEST THE, THE ELEPHANT IS THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE STAYING HERE IN THESE PLACES LIKE THIS BECAUSE THEY, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN HAVE NO, NO NOTHING AGAINST FRONT ROW AND, AND TOLD ME, EVEN IN MARYLAND, THEY SAID, WELL, WE'VE COME TO FRONT ROW, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH PLACE, YOU KNOW, ACROSS LODGING, KIND OF LACK, YOU KNOW.
SO THAT'S WHY WE LOOK FOR THE RENT A HOUSE.
ALL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE FOR MS. CAPISH? SO I'M, IF THERE IS NO, UM, IT'LL HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON HEARING MARCH 23RD AND WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ADVERTISE FOR IT.
AND ANYBODY WHO HAS ANYTHING TO SAY CAN COME IN.
SO ITEM FIVE B IS REZONING KOREAN AVENUE.
SO THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY DANA KLEIN.
HE WANTS TO REZONE TWO VACANT LOTS ON DURAND AVENUE FROM R ONE.
SO OUR LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO R THREE.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST PAST THE FIRST HOUSE THERE.
CHERRY STREET, GRAND AVENUE, UM, OR THE LOTS YOU CAN SEE.
SO OUR, IN THE R ONE DISTRICT, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
BOTH OF THESE LOTS ARE LARGER IN THE END, 11,250 SQUARE FEET.
UM, BY RIGHT, HE COULD PUT TWO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS ON THERE NOW.
THIS REQUEST WOULD, IF IT GOES THROUGH, WOULD PERMIT HIM TO FURTHER SUBDIVIDE THOSE PLOTS INTO DUPLEX PLOTS AND DO TWO DUPLEXES.
UM, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A RENDERING OF THE HOME OR THE DUPLEX THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE FRONT OR PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION.
REMEMBER WITH SONY, WE DO NOT REGULATE THIS.
UM, HERE'S THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE AND THEN THE BIRD'S EYE VIEW.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW, IT IS ZONED R ONE, IT IS SURROUNDED BY R THREE AT THE END OF THE STREET.
IT'S, UH, THE R TWO SECTION IS THE SQUIRREL HILL SUBDIVISION.
THAT COUNTS AS FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, SO THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, UH, HAS THIS AS, UH, PLANNING AREA FIVE.
AND THE DESCRIPTION IS THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, 234 ACRES APPROXIMATELY.
UM, AND THAT IT IS CLOSE TO, UH, MAIN STREET.
IT'S CLOSE TO AMENITIES LIKE THE SOCCER PLEX, EASTON PARK, BOWMAN PARK.
UM, BUT IT'S CHALLENGES ARE THAT THERE'S UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY AS FAR AS SIDEWALKS GO AND, AND OUR, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THERE.
SO, UM, BUT THIS DOES CALL FOR THIS AREA ON GRAND AVENUE AS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS OUR, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IN TWO FAMILY HOMES.
AND IT ENCOURAGES INFIELD DEVELOPMENT, BUT, BUT IT SHOULD MEET THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO BASED ON THIS, THE REZONING WOULD POTENTIALLY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE ASK OF THE DUPLEXES ON GRAND AVENUE.
UM, AND THEN THE FUTURE LAND USE SHOWS THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.
THE PROCESS WAS, BECAUSE I DON'T, I'M NOT RECALLING AND, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
I COULD NOT BE RECALLING, UM, THAT IT'S BEEN VERY RARE.
I WOULD SAY THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DENIED SOMETHING.
SO PROCESS WISE, ARE WE LIKE AN APPEAL OR ARE WE IT'S JUST NOW IT'S OUR TURN.
SO, BECAUSE IF THEY DENIED IT, WHY IS IT MOVING FORWARD? THEY MAKE A APPROVED.
SO YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE FINAL DECISION WITH THESE LEGISLATIVE APPLICATIONS.
AND WITH THIS ONE, THE COMP PLAN CALLS FOR THIS TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS A VERY MATURE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WALK DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DRIVE DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THERE'S NUANCES HERE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PICKED UP ON, UM,
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THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF TAX RECOMMENDATION.SO I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT YOU GO DOWN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY WHAT, SO BEFORE YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, YOU WERE SAYING IT MEETS THIS, IT MEETS THAT IT NEEDS THAT, BUT YET THE PLANNING COMMISSION DENIED IT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I I DID FOLLOW IT, SO I I GET IT.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEY, I MEAN THEY PROVIDED, THEY PUT FORTH THEIR CASE AS TO WHY IT DOESN'T SET THE COMP PLAN.
I THINK IT'S THE MOST BASIC LEVEL IT DOES.
BUT THE COMP PLAN IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT.
IT IS NOT, DOES NOT HAVE TO FORCE A LAW.
YOU LEARNED THAT DURING THE PROCESS.
SO YOU DON'T, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU NOT TO ABIDE BY IT, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE TO FORCE A LAW.
IT IS NOT ZONING WITNESS, WHICH IS WHY PLANNING COMMISSION, I THINK I LIVED ON ORCHARD IN MY VERY BEGINNING YOUNG YEARS,
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA AND IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, YES THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, BUT THEY ARE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT FROM ONE STREET TO THE OTHER.
AND ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT OR CONSTRUCTION IS GONNA STAND OUT ON THE STREET.
UM, I THINK YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT IS THE DENSITY APPROPRIATE FOR, EVEN IF IT WAS TWO LARGE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, DEPENDING ON WHAT SIZE THEY ARE, WAS IT THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY THAT DENIED ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS TO BUILD AN ADDITION ADDITIONAL UPPER LEVEL IN THEIR HOME.
OUR ZONING ORDINANCE CAPS, THE HEIGHT OF RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, I THINK IT'S TWO AND A HALF STORES OF 35 FEET.
I DON'T THINK THEY WERE PUTTING A THIRD LEVEL.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I GATHERED FROM IT.
WAS IT, I THINK IT WAS ON THAT STREET.
IT WAS, YEAH, I THOUGHT SO IT, THERE WAS A NEIGHBOR TOO.
THIS PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NEXT DOOR OR ACROSS THE STREET.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO.
THEY WANTED TO PUT THEY AN ADDITION ON THE UPPER PART.
AND THE NEIGHBORS WERE NOT HAVE DENIED IT.
THE NEIGHBORS WEREN'T THE N FOR FOR MUCH OF THE SAME ARGUMENT THAT THEY HAD AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IS THAT IT REALLY? BUT IT WAS THE FAMILY THAT OCCUPIES IT THEN AND OCCUPIES IT NOW.
SO I THINK, I THINK THEY SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ACTUALLY.
WELL ONE THING I WOULD SAY SHOULD JUST GET APPROVED.
UM, AND THE NEXT QUESTION THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO ANTICIPATE WOULD BE THE CURB GUN SIDEWALK.
IF THEY'RE GONNA APPLY FOR A WAIVER FOR THAT, WHICH I WOULD DARE SAY THEY PROBABLY WOULD.
UM, AND AGAIN, IF, IF IT DOES GET APPROVED, I WOULDN'T, GIVEN THAT THERE'S NO OTHER CURB AND GUTTER AROUND THAT, I WOULDN'T VOTE IN FAVOR OF PUTTING CARBON GUTTER RIGHT THERE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO, AGAIN, BEING SOMEBODY WORKING EROSION CONTROL, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL FOR THOSE DOWNSTREAM OR THEIR YARDS, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU DID THE WHOLE THING.
BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SPEAKING, I KNOW I'M TALKING LIKE A BROKEN RECORD ON THAT, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RIGHT NOW, I THINK IS THE PROBLEM.
I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS WITH THE ARGUMENT OF DENSITY, I SEE BOTH SIDES.
UM, THERE ARE SOME LOCAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES WHO LIVE IN TOWNHOUSES IN FRONT ROYAL PROPER AND ONLY ONE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL OCCUPIES THOSE.
WHEREAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON ONE OF THESE LOTS, 10 PEOPLE COULD OCCUPY IT.
SO THE ARGUMENT OF IT INCREASES DENSITY IS, YOU KNOW, UP, UP IN THE AIR FOR THAT ARGUMENT.
BECAUSE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME COULD VERY WELL INCREASE THE DENSITY BY A LOT MORE THAN A TOWNHOUSE OR A DUPLEX.
AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS POPULATION GOES, VEHICLES AND POPULATION.
MR. SUN, MY USUAL CAUTION IF, IF COUNSEL WOULD NOT START DRILLING DOWN TOO FAR INTO THE MERITS MM-HMM
AT THIS POINT SAY THAT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND QUESTIONS LIKE, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF QUESTIONS? ABSOLUTELY.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A STREET BEHIND IT, BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT, I'LL GO BACK TO THAT AERIAL LIFT GOT, I DON'T SEE A STREET.
I SEE IT PROBABLY IS AN ALLEYWAY THAT WE DON'T, THAT'S THE ONE OVER THERE.
MADE IT LOOK LIKE THERE WAS A PAVED STREET.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT, BUT THERE'S NOT A STREET.
I HAD THE SAME, THE ORCHARD STREET, THE NEXT STREET OVER, BUT THE ALLEY IS BY AND YOU'RE ONLY AT SKIPPING HOP FROM SQUIRREL HILL TO YOUR NORTHWEST THERE THAT WAY.
UM, MORE THAN SKIPPING A HOP
NO, IT IS, IT'S A LONG, THERE'S A'S A PRETTY GOOD YEAH.
IF YOU WALK, IF YOU WALK IT, YOU KNOW, SKIPPING HOP.
BUT I THINK TOO, WHEN THEY WERE SAYING ABOUT THE DENSITY, I KNOW THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY BROUGHT UP, BUT ALSO, UM, THE, UM, WELL, CHARACTER
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OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE OTHER PART.
SO SEE THE, AND THAT WAS A KEY POINT I THINK FOR PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
THERE ARE NO DUPLEXES AND YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THEY WILL DO.
'CAUSE I, I DID LIKE THAT SIGN, BUT I DID.
BUT YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THAT'S HOW IT, I DON'T REGULATE THAT.
I THINK YOUR COMMENT, UH, UH, MS. KAKI ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF WHERE STATES INFILL DEVELOPMENT WILL MATCH THE CHARACTER EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, YOU KNOW, I ENCOURAGE COUNSEL TO DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TAKE A LOOK AND SEE, AND THERE ARE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS BEHIND IT.
SALEM AVENUE, CYPRESS BROWN, UM, GRAND AVENUE.
AND UH, NEXT STORE OF THAT IS, UM, DUR HILL.
SO, UM, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE OLD OLD ONES OF US CALL IT.
PEOPLE DON'T REALLY CALL IT CITY.
NO, I, I MEAN, I, I'M SAYING WE GIGGLE.
I MEAN MY, MY SIBLINGS, I, WE WERE LIKE, WE GREW UP IN VISCO CITY AND PEOPLE WERE LIKE, BECAUSE FOR ONE THING, NOBODY CALLED IT THE VISCO, THEY CALLED IT BY THE TIME ON WORK THERE.
BUT I'M SAYING EVERYBODY SEES THEM AS AVTEC STYLE.
BUT IT WAS ORIGINALLY THE AMERICAN DISCOS.
SO I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE THE PUBLIC HEARING, HEARING THEY MOSTLY THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA, ALMOST ALL THE NEIGHBORS SHOWED UP.
UM, YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTE WATCH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND YOU CAN WATCH THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I ANTICIPATE THE SAME NEIGHBORS WILL BE BACK TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING TOO.
YOU'LL PROBABLY, BUT AT LEAST YOU SEE HEADS.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS THE REQUEST FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM TOWN CO PERTAINING TO HEIGHT OF RETAINING WALL ONTO ENGINEERING AND DESIGN STUDENT ON BAPTIST SQUIRREL HILL DEVELOPMENT.
WE JUST HAD ONE OF THOSE WE HAD JUST HAD A REQUEST FOR.
SO WE HAD THEIR SIDEWALK WAIVER AND NOW WE'VE GOT MAYOR, JUST TO CONFIRM, OH MY GOSH.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
SORRY, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE, WHEN WE WERE SAYING MARCH, MARCH 23RD, I'D BE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THIS NEXT ITEM IS, IS NOT A LAND USE ZONING ITEM.
IT'S UNDER THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR IT? N UH, IT'S, IT'S A SPECIAL SECTION.
BUT IT'S UNDER THE SUBDIVISION.
IT'S A SPECIAL SECTION UNDER 1 48, 2 10, 2 11 OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION, NOT A LEGISLATIVE.
IT'S UNDER THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
ANYWAY, WELL THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT IS THERE GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING IS OR IS THIS GONNA BE A NOT THE SAME AS THE LAST TWO ITEMS WE JUST HAD? I KNOW, BUT BUSINESS ITEM.
BUT I'M SAYING IF IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO ADVERTISE THEN ROAD PUTS IT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL.
I WE JUST BE UNDER THE SAME WALL.
SO THE ADMINISTRATIVE IS SIDEWALK EXCEPTION.
WHICH IS A BUSINESS ITEM IN OUR LAST MEETING.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.
YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING? NO.
OBVIOUSLY
APPROVAL FOR DENIAL OF AN EXCEPTION TO DESIGN STANDARDS OF THIS CHAPTER, WHICH IS 1 48 TOWN COUNCIL SHALL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, BUT I MEAN, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'RE TAKING TO A PUBLIC HEARING YET.
I'M JUST SAYING SO THAT WE KNOW.
SO, SO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR RETAINING WALL.
SO YOU HEARD SIDEWALKS, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT ISSUE WITH THIS ONE.
OUR CODE PERMITS THEM TO BUILD A RETAINING WALL UP TO SIX FEET TALL.
THERE'S, WE'RE NOT STOPPING THEM FROM BUILDING THAT RETAINING WALL.
WHAT THIS IS ASKING FOR IS A POTENTIAL EXTENSION UP TO 10 FEET IN HEIGHT FOR THE LOTS IN YELLOW.
UM, SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, YOU DRIVE OVER TO ORCHARD IN, UM, NORTH STREET, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A PRETTY STEEP HILL.
SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN THEY GO TO DEVELOP THIS IS THEY'RE GOING TO EXCAVATE AND DIG OUT.
THAT'S GONNA INCREASE THE, THE SLOPE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED THE RETAINING WALL FOR, IS TO HOLD THAT DIRT DOCK.
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SO IT IS JUST FOR THESE LOTS WHERE YOU HAVE, I BELIEVE LIKE OVER HERE THERE'S AN ELEVATION CHANGE OF 27 FEET IN A VERY SHORT DISTANCE.UM, AND OVER HERE AT DOWN THERE SOMETHING YEAH.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THESE ARE THE LOTS IN QUESTION RIGHT HERE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE WHEN THE TOPOGRAPHIC LINES ARE THIS CLOSE TOGETHER, THAT INDICATES STEEPNESS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED THIS WALL.
AND AT THIS TIME THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE PLACEMENT OF THE WALL.
THAT'S WHY EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE DONE THE GEOTECH, THEY DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TYPE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE.
THEY JUST NEED PERMISSION TO GO OVER SIX.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE TO MAKE SURE THAT OR, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HAVE THE TALLER WALL.
IT'LL, BUT IT'LL KEEP THEIR SLOPES IN COMPLIANCE.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT, IT MAKES ME THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT OTHER SUB, THAT OTHER SITUATION OUT.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE ASKING BEFORE THEY HAVE, RIGHT BEFORE THEY BUILD THE HOUSE BECAUSE THAT THEY'RE ASKING ACTUALLY FOR A HIGHER WALL INSTEAD OF THE LOWER WALL.
UM, BUT I NOTICED PLANNING COMMISSION DENIED IT.
THIS ONE I BELIEVE THEY HAVE
DOES ANYBODY ELSE IN TOWN THAT YOU KNOW OF HAVE LAKE HOME THAT THAT GOES OVER THE ORDINANCE? WELL, WE HAVE A TOWN.
I'M JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE IT.
UM, ACROSS FROM COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT'S HOUSE, I BELIEVE THERE'S A CONCRETE RETAINING WALL.
I CALL IT THE, SO ON THE CORNER OF BANG, THE, THE FRONT ROYAL THIN, THIN WHITE.
BUT THEY'VE WIDENED IT ACTUALLY THAT WAS DONE HERE IN THOSE TOWNHOUSES WAS BUILT YEARS AGO.
AND THEN I THINK RECENTLY YOU'VE GOT THE CAR WASH AND THEN YOU'VE GOT MIRANDA HOMES.
UM, YEAH, IT'S JUST, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE SHRINK SWELL SOILS HERE.
WE HAVE UM, THAT'S MY PROBLEM.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE WHERE THERE WERE SOME SO I COULD SIT, GO SEE LIKE WHAT THAT WHAT THAT COME LOOKS LIKE.
WELL THERE THROUGH THAT'S PRETTY DAMN THAT ONE IS DOWN.
I ACTUALLY HAVE AT ONE POINT, YEAH, THE ONE CLOSEST TO MASSEY.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A DEER JUMP OVER.
BUT THE ONE, THE ONE UP AT UP WHERE KRESGE WAS SISTER'S HOUSE.
BUT THAT HADN'T BEEN THERE ALL LONG THAT, THAT RETAINING WALL, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN THERE? AT LEAST 30 YEARS.
I'M SAYING WHEN AS WAS A KID, IT WASN'T THERE WHEN I WAS A KID.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE GOT, I WAS GONNA SAY ABOUT 35 YEARS.
COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL REVIEW THE ENGINEERING.
UM, THEIR PE HAS, THEIR ENGINEER HAS SIGNED OFF ON IT.
THE GEOTECH HAS BEEN SIGNED OFF ON.
SO ALL THE PROFESSIONALS THAT GUARANTEE THAT IT'S GONNA BE DONE.
ALRIGHT, SO COUNSEL DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER, YOU GOT QUESTIONS? WELL, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD, OBVIOUSLY THE ENGINEERS WILL DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
UM, MY, MY THOUGHTS OF WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY INSTALLED A WALL, DOES ANYONE KNOW WILL THE FRENCH DRAINS IN THE BACK SO WHEN THEY INSTALL IT, THERE HAS TO BE, THEY GOTTA PUT THAT, UM, THAT LINER AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, THEY'VE GOT TO, THEY GOTTA PUT DRAIN FILL THE DRAINAGE BEHIND IT IS GONNA BE DETERMINED BY THE ENGINEER BASED ON LIKE THE, THE SOILS THERE.
THEY HAVE TO RELIEVE THAT PRESSURE FROM THE WATER ON THE WALL THAT DOESN'T RUN.
THAT'S WHAT ALL THAT GRAVEL'S GONNA DO.
AND IF THEY PUT 'EM IN, WHO I THINK ALL THE, THIS IS A QUESTION, IF YOU COULD PRESENT IT TO THE ENGINEERS, IS WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN IT LINE.
BECAUSE IF NO ONE MAINTAINS IT ALL OVER TIME IT WILL FOG ON.
SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS LIKE THE RETENTION POND, RIGHT? THE DROP POND.
THAT'S THE RETENTION RETENTION POND.
IF COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 23RD WHERE EVERYBODY WILL GET TO SPEAK.
THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WILL GET TO SPEAK THAT BECAUSE THERE'S PUBLIC HEARING FOR IT.
I KEEP THINKING THE PUBLIC EVENTS.
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HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU I THINK THREE TIMES NOW.UM, THE MOST RECENT ITERATION, UM, WORKED ON KIND OF BEEPING UP THE ENFORCEMENT END OF IT.
UH, SO ADUS ARE PERMITTED AS AN ACCESSORY USE BY RIGHT ON LOTS SINGLE HANDLING, LOTS LARGER THAN 12,000 SQUARE FEET THAT IS CURRENTLY, WHAT IS THIS CHANGE TO THE CODE? UM, WE'LL DEFINE THEM UM, AS A SECONDARY, YOU KNOW, SELF-CONTAINED RESIDENTIAL UNIT.
UM, THE SAME LOT AS A PRIMARY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
SO NOT ON DUPLEX, YOU DUPLEXES, NO TOWN HOMES, NO APARTMENTS.
THIS IS JUST FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, WITH INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITIES, KITCHEN, BATHROOM, SLEEPING AREA, SEPARATE ENTRANCE.
SO WE CAN HAVE INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL, THEY HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 600 SQUARE FEET, NO MORE THAN A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND THEY CAN'T EXTEND BEYOND THE, UM, FOOTPRINT OF THEIR INTERNAL, SORRY.
IT CAN EXPAND BEYOND THE PPC FOOTPRINT OF THE DWELLING UNIT.
UM, AS FAR AS LIKE THE MAJOR CHANGES FROM THE LAST TIME YOU'VE SEEN IT, UM, THERE WILL BE AN INSPECTION PROCESS.
SO WHEN THE APPLICANT APPLIES FOR THEIR A DU, WE HAVE, WE CREATED THE APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ALL THE NET, THE TYPICAL INFORMATION, THE PROPERTY OWNER NAME WHERE IT'S AT, THE TYPE OF A DU THAT DETACHED, IS IT GOING TO BE A NEW DETACHED? IS THAT LIKE A BRAND NEW STRUCTURE OR ARE THEY CONVERTING LIKE A GARAGE INTO AN A DU OR IS IT INTERNAL OR ARE THEY ENDING IT? SO THE CESSATION OF IT, SO WE'VE GOT THE PROPOSED SIDE MAKING SURE ALL THE SETBACKS, UM, ARE MET LOT COVERAGE IS MET, HOW THE UTILITIES ARE GOING TO BE CONNECTED OR THEY HAVE HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK.
UM, IS IT GONNA BE, UH, IS THE A DU OR THE PRIMARY DWELLING TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED? SO WHICH ONE IS THE PROPERTY OWNER? UM, AND IS THE A DU INTENDED TO BE USED FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT'LL TELL US THAT THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS? UM, THEN WE'RE REQUIRING THAT THEY SUBMIT THEIR HOUSE LOCATION BECAUSE ANY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE NEEDS TO HAVE A HOUSE LOCATION SURVEY.
THE FLOOR PLANS THE UTILITY PLAN, THEN THEY HAVE TO SIGN THAT, UM, THEY WILL MAINTAIN OCCUPANCY ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLES ZONING AND A DU REGULATIONS.
UM, THAT THEY WILL, THEIR OCCUPANCY WILL BE MAINTAINED FOR THE DURATION OF THE A DU USE AND THAT IT SHALL NOT BE USED IN A MANNER IN CONSISTENT ZONING REGULATIONS.
AND THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO INSPECT.
SO IN THE ORDINANCE WE WOULD HAVE AN INITIAL INSPECTION AND THEN ANNUAL INSPECTION KIND OF LIKE WE DO OUR, SO ONCE A YEAR, UH, CAROL WILL CALL SET UP AN APPOINTMENT.
WE, MILLER, DAWN WOULD GO OUT, DO AN INSPECTION.
THEY KNOW THIS AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION THAT THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO AN ANNUAL INSPECTION.
IF THEY DON'T PROVIDE ACCESS TO DO THE INSPECTION, THEY LOSE IT.
THEN WE CAN START THAT PROCESS TO THE FOLKS.
AND THEN AS FAR AS LIKE CHANGING OWNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT CAPTURE IT AS SOON AS IT'S CHANGED.
UM, BUT WITHIN A YEAR WE WOULD BE CALLING, SETTING UP AN APPOINTMENT.
AND IF AT THAT TIME THEY SAY I BOUGHT IT, WE CAN TAKE THEM THROUGH THIS APPLICATION PROCESS IN QUESTION.
THE PURPOSE FOR THIS, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS ON A CALL WAS FOR SITUATIONS WHERE LIKE YOUR PARENT OR CHILD YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THAT YOU COULD SET UP AN AN A DU THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, AGE IN PLACE OR YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
OR LIKE A CHILD, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR YOUR CHILD COMES HOME FROM COLLEGE OR GETS, YOU KNOW, IS NOT, DOESN'T THAT THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL AS I RECALL.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WAS SAYING, WHY THIS, THAT WAS A PRO, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BUT BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY REQUIREMENT THAT SAYS THE PERSON HAS TO BE RELATED TO THEM.
RIGHT? NO, INITIALLY THAT WAS KIND OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT COUNSEL'S FEEDBACK, I DIDN'T THINK THAT SHE WANTED IT RESTRICTED IN THAT REGARD.
I THINK SHE THAT, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT, BUT MAYBE SO I WOULD'VE FLOOR COUNSEL.
I ACTUALLY PUT IT IN MY NOTEPAD TO SEND TO ALL OF YOU THE OTHER DAY AND NEVER GOT AROUND TO IT.
THE MERCATUS CENTER AT GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY OFFERED A NATIONAL VIEW ON ADUS.
AND THERE'S A HUGE ARTICLE IN THE WASHINGTON POST THAT RAN, UM, ON FEBRUARY 24TH, UM, ABOUT ADU AND THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC IN THE PROS AND CONS.
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AGING IN PLACE WAS A BIG ONE.AND THE FACT THAT THEY ALREADY EXIST AND ARE BEING UTILIZED IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND WE HAVE NO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OR WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE IS A HUGE RISK.
SAME AS THE SUV, THE, THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
IT ALREADY EXISTED BEFORE WE PUT ANYTHING INTO PLACE.
AND I APPRECIATE THE INSPECTION AND BECAUSE IT OCCURRED TO ME WHEN I WAS READING THIS 'CAUSE OF THE FIELD, I, AND THERE'S BEEN MORE THAN ONE CASE OF IN A DIFFERENT STATE WHERE PEOPLE HAD TENTS AND THINGS IN THEIR BACKYARD AND REALLY THEY HAD, I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT THEY'VE ABDUCTED SOMEBODY AND, AND THEY'VE BEEN LIVING THERE, YOU KNOW, AND I COULD SEE IT EASILY TURN INTO SOMETHING WHERE YOU'VE HAD, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, KEPT SOMEBODY IN SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS OR INAPPROPRIATE CONDITIONS.
SO I, AND, AND NOBODY SAYS ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU GET USED TO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAVING MISHMASH OF, OF STRUCTURES IN THEIR BACKYARD.
SO I THINK THE, IN THE INSPECTION PIECE, UM, IS IMPORTANT IF NOTHING ELSE FOR THAT REASON, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T TURN INTO HAVING MORE SUBSTANDARD SLUMS IN OUR BACKYARDS.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS IS.
OR TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, NEFARIOUS ACT IF YOU CAN KEEP IT DOWN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES GOING ON.
SO WE, SO MUCH TENT CAMPING HAPPENING IN, IN FRONT OIL RIGHT NOW.
LIKE THERE ARE TWO HUGE HOT SPOTS FILLED WITH TENTS.
THE SHELTER GIVES THEM OUT ONCE IT GETS WARM ENOUGH, MORE THAN TO STAY IN TENTS.
SO I JUST, IF I WANNA HOUSE THEM IN MY BACKYARD IN TENTS, I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD BE ABLE TO.
NO, BUT THAT'S, BUT WELL YOU DON'T WANT TO TURN IT INTO KIND OF, BUT I PAY MY REAL ESTATE TAXES AND I OWN MY HOME AND IT'S MY YARD IF I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THEM THERE.
I FEEL LIKE, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT IS NOT GONNA BE THE WILL THIS BE IN ANY PART, ANY AREA, ANY ZONING AREA, OUR WINE AREA, OBVIOUSLY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT IT HAS TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THEY ALREADY EXIST IN ALL RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND I'LL TELL YOU, WE'VE HAD THREE INQUIRIES RECENT, LIKE SINCE THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN THROUGH COUNCIL.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE WERE ANTICIPATING THAT THE PAST YEAR.
BUT IT, ALL OF THEM WERE, THEIR KIDS WANTED TO COME HOME OR THEY WERE GETTING MARRIED AND THEY WANTED TO CONVERT THEIR BASEMENT OR A GARAGE OR SOMETHING.
THEY WERE TRYING TO RUN OUTTA THE HOUSE.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S AN A, THAT'S STILL AN A DU.
THAT'S THIS DISCUSS INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL.
THE INTERNAL WOULD BE LIKE CONVERTING YOUR BASEMENT INTO AN A DU OR LIKE THAT'S THE AGING IN PLACE PIECE.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS TOO OLD TO MAINTAIN THEIR HOUSE AND, AND THEIR PARTNER DIES AND THEY'RE LEFT WITH THE BURDEN OF ALL THE FINANCIAL EXPENSE, THEY COULD USE THEIR BASEMENT AS AN A DU TO OFFSET THE EXPENSE AND HAVE THEM DO THE UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE OF THE HOME.
SO I THINK THE CONFUSION CONTINUES TO LIE IN WHAT IS AN A DU, AND THAT'S WHY I, FOR EACH OF YOU TO GO READ THAT WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE, BECAUSE IT'S AN A DU CAN BE 15 DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT CAN BE AN APARTMENT ABOVE A GARAGE.
IT CAN BE YOUR BASEMENT, IT CAN BE A 600 SQUARE FOOT DWELLING UNIT IN YOUR BACKYARD THAT LOOKS LIKE A SHED.
I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CONSTITUTE AN A DU AND THERE ARE SO MANY BENEFITS, JUST LIKE WITH DUPLEXES OR SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY INCREASE DENSITY.
IF WE WERE TO ADD AN A DU AT MY HOUSE, NOW, IT WOULD BE TO PUT MY FATHER-IN-LAW WHO HAS RECENTLY JOINED US INTO THE A D NOT THAT I'M GOING TO OR WANT TO, OR HE WANTS TO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE WOULD JUST BE TAKING A MEMBER OF OUR FAMILY WHO'S GRIEVING INDEPENDENCE AND PUTTING THEM INTO THAT PORTION.
AND IF WE HAVE THE FUNDS AND THE MEANS TO DO IT, AND WE OWN OUR PROPERTY, I DON'T SEE WHY THAT'S AN ISSUE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE A OVER SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE AROUND MY BACKYARD THAT NOBODY CAN SEE INTO.
I MEAN, IF WE WERE TO BUILD A 600 FOOT TINY HOME THAT'S REGULATED BY INSPECTIONS OF THE TOWN, AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD FEEL BETTER ABOUT.
'CAUSE WHAT IF YOU WERE THE KIND OF PERSON WHO WAS NOT, AND THEY'RE EXISTING RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE ALREADY, THERE ARE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER, BUT I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY ADUS YOU CAN GO ON ZILLOW AND LOOK AT THE HOUSES THAT ARE LISTED.
THERE'S SO MANY APARTMENTS ABOVE GROVE.
SOMEBODY SENT ME A SCREENSHOT OF A POST.
HUH? IT TURNED OUT BE PERMITTED THURSDAY.
SOME PEOPLE WILL DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE DID HAVE SOME PEOPLE SHORT TERM COME FORWARD ONCE IT BECAME A THING AND APPLY.
BUT IF YOU GO, WHAT I WAS SAYING IS IF YOU GO ON AND YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSES FOR SALE IN FRONT ROYAL, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY ALREADY EXIST.
AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE BUYING THOSE HOUSES WITH THE INTENTION OF UTILIZING THAT.
SOMEBODY SENT ME A SCREENSHOT YESTERDAY ON FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE.
THERE'S A HOUSE IN FRONT ROYAL PROPER BEING ADVERTISED ON THERE AS AN A DU IN THEIR YARD SOMEWHERE.
THEY, THEY CONVERTED THEIR GARAGE INTO A TWO BED, ONE BATH FINISHED LIVING SPACE AND THEY HAD IT FOR RENT.
IT HAD ITS OWN ENTRANCE, ITS OWN DRIVEWAY.
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WAS A LOCAL TEACHER HERE IN TOWN WHO THE WHOLE TIME I WAS TEACHING, I MEAN SHE'S PASSED AWAY NOW, BUT SHE, WHEN HER HUSBAND PASSED AWAY, SHE LIVED UPSTAIRS AND SHE USED THE BASEMENT.THAT'S A APART APARTMENT AND TEACHERS RENTED IT.
UM, AND I'VE KNEW LOTS OF DIFFERENT TEACHERS OVER THE YEARS, AGING IN PLACE.
IF THE STAIRS BECOME AN ISSUE AND YOU CAN MOVE OUT TO A LITTLE GRANNY FLAT OR POD IN THE BACKYARD AND RENT OUT THE HOUSE.
SO HOW MANY PARCELS IN R ONE ARE THERE THAT ARE 12,000 SQUARE FEET LARGE? I THINK SHE PUT THAT IN THERE.
I GOT YOU THAT NUMBER ON A COUPLE PRESENTATIONS GOING.
I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
SO THINK IT WAS NO, I IT IS, IS IT IN HERE? YEAH, IT IS SOMEWHERE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT 1200 PROPERTY OWNERS ARE 1200, HAVE APPLY FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE EITHER.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WANT TO HAVE AN A DU THEN DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY ARE, COULD IN EFFECT INCREASED DENSITY.
WE MEET OUR SETBACKS AND ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.
AND UM, AND WE ALSO TALK AND HAVE STRESSED SO MUCH ABOUT THE HOUSING CRISIS HERE.
LIKE WHEN MY FATHER-IN-LAW JOINED US FROM BELIZE, WE CALLED AROUND ALL THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES HERE.
THERE'S A YEAR LONG WAIT FOR AN APARTMENT IN THE TOWN OF HUNT ROYAL RIGHT NOW.
SO IF WE HAVE THE MONEY AND THE MEANS TO BUILD SOMETHING NICE LIKE A GRANNY FLAT OR CONVERT OUR BASIN INTO AN A DU, IT'S JUST, JUST LIKE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
HOW MANY HOUSES DO WE HAVE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL? ONLY 27 OF THEM WERE, AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN ALL UTILIZED FOR ALL SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO FIRST THEY'RE, IT IS 1,268.
WE ALL OUR, THAT'S IN ALL OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S IN ALL THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
LIKE THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
IT'S GOT A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOT COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT ARE GONNA GET ANALYZED WHEN THESE APPLICATIONS ARE SUBMITTED AND THEY MAY NOT WORK ON EVERY LOT.
THERE WAS ONE, THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE AROUND THE YARD AND, BUT I THINK IT, THE WAY YOU PUT IT WAS IT JUST HAS TO HAVE THE SAME SETBACKS.
'CAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT IT CAN'T BE ON THE, A LOT THAT, THAT COMES TO A, THAT TOUCHES A PUBLIC STREET.
AND I'M THINKING, WELL, HOW DOES THAT WORK? UM, BECAUSE YOUR LAND GOES, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR HOUSE IS IN THE MIDDLE AND UNLESS YOUR LAND LOSS
BUT, UM, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S MUL.
IF YOUR PROPERTY CONSISTS OF MULTIPLE PARCELS, TYPICALLY WE DON'T ALLOW, IT SAYS RESTRUCTURES ON A UP, BUT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS NOT ON.
BUT AT THAT POINT, WE'VE ADVISED YOU TO DO A LOT CONSOLIDATION.
WELL, THIS, ALL THIS ALL ORIGINATED, I THINK IT WAS SB THREE 40, UH, IF I RECALL BY TO, UH, CONGRESSMAN, UH, STATE AND AND HOUSE BILL 25, 33, 9 74.
AND HOUSE BILL 22 93 40 WAS, AND THAT WAS IN THE JOURNALIST, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
AND THAT INFORMATION WAS JUST KIND OF PLANNING COMMISSION'S, THOUGHT PROCESSES AND RIGHT.
BUT IT ORIGINATED OUT OF FAIRFAX COUNTY, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO, I MEAN, THEY GOT OVER A MILLION PEOPLE THERE.
THEY GOT, THEY GOT, THEY GOT PEOPLE SOMEWHERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT GOES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, IS UH, IS A RIPE FOR FRONT OIL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S IT.
YOU KNOW, THE D THE, UM, WE DON'T REQUIRE ANY PARKING REQUIREMENTS FROM WHAT I COULD SEE.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY.
THEY CAN USE OUR PUBLIC STREETS OR THE EXISTING, UH, PARKING ON THE PARCEL.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW THIS THING SHAKES OUT.
IF WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW HOUSING PROJECTS LIKE DUPLEXES, WHICH IS COMING FORTH IN A PUBLIC HEARING, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM.
IT SAYS IN OUR PACKETS IN PAGE 1 77, THE PURPOSE OF THE A DU TAX IS TO PROVIDE LOWER COSTS WITHOUT THE NEED FOR TAXPAYER FUNDING HOUSING PROJECTS.
SO I JUST, WE'RE ALSO A PREDOMINANTLY
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CATHOLIC COMMUNITY.I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY, UM, VERY LARGE FAMILIES, UM, EVEN SOME OF MY FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE, BUT I'M SURE THERE STUDENTS WOULD APPRECIATE CHILDREN BEING ABLE TO COME BACK HOME AND HAVE SOME AUTONOMY.
WELL, I, I'M NOT DEBATING UNDERSTAND.
I'M JUST, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING CRISIS, THE HOUSING CRISIS, THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE THE COST.
A LOT OF THESE THINGS TURN INTO RENTALS AND, UM, I MEAN, I'M NOT LETTING SOMEBODY LIVE IN ONE OF MY HOUSE FOR FREE, BUT IT
BUT NOT THE IDEA FOR THIS A DU IS THAT IT'S NOT GONNA TURN INTO RENTAL.
IT'S TO OFFSET THE FINANCIAL BURDEN TO AGE IN PLACE.
IF YOU'RE AGING IN PLACE AND YOU CAN NO LONGER AFFORD YOUR HOME OR THE MAINTENANCE OR UPKEEP, YOU WOULD DEFINITELY NOT LET SOMEBODY USE YOUR ELECTRIC SEWER AND WATER AND TRASH SERVICE AND PROPERTY RIGHT AT NO CHARGE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COUNCILS QUESTIONS? NO.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA, IS COUNSEL READY FOR THIS TO GO ON THE MARCH 23RD AGENDA? CAN IT BE APRIL, SINCE WE HAVE TWO THAT WE'RE EXPECTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK FOR? I WOULD SAY THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR IT.
SO DOES THIS REQUIRE A, UM, HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING TOO? HOW MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE WE AT ALREADY, MS. PRESLEY? FOUR.
YEAH, BUT WE HAD NINE RECENTLY.
SO, BUT THEY WERE LIKE HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. THEY WEREN'T TEXT AMENDMENTS.
I DON'T, WHATEVER Y'ALL, I JUST DIDN'T A LARGE NUMBER PEOPLE TURN OUT TO THE PLANNING COUNCIL FOR THIS.
THAT'S A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THIS ONE.
I JUST FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MAYBE NOT AS MANY PEOPLE WHO WOULD'VE SPOKE IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO WAIT THROUGH OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO GRAND AVENUE
IS THERE, LET ME JUST LOOK HERE IS THE, UM, WELL THIS WOULD BE NUMBER FOUR OR NUMBER FIVE.
NUMBER FIVE IS B IS B REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING TOO.
BUT, BUT KEEP IN MIND, WHATEVER WE DO THIS WEEK, MARCH 9TH, WON'T, THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING WE CAN PUT AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE MOST WE WOULD HAVE IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OTHER ONE AT SIX.
SO DID YOU DO HAVE A CARRYOVER FROM LAST MONTH TOW YARD? YEAH, BUT THAT WAS, YEAH, THAT WAS BECAUSE WAIT, WHAT YARD? YEAH, SO YOU'VE GOT CARRY OVER FROM LAST MONTH FOR THIS MONTH'S AGENDA BECAUSE YOU HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GROUND.
YEAH, BUT WE LEFT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAVE A HEARING DISCUSS ON IT.
YOU HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT GRAVEL AND YEAH.
WELL, I, BECAUSE I THINK YOU WANNA, I THINK YOU WANNA, UM, I KNOW YOU WANT THE CHAPTER 72 THING TO BE MOVING BEFORE SPRING GETS HERE, RIGHT? ARE WE, ARE WE, ARE WE GOOD WITH A SIX A? YOU MEAN, ARE WE GOOD WITH IT? I MEAN, THE ON THE 20 THE ONLY ONE YOU WANTED TO MOVE TO APRIL, SO YEAH.
I I THOUGHT YOU MEANT, I THOUGHT NOBODY ELSE HAD ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER, RIGHT? NO.
MR. PETTY, I KNOW THIS WILL BE A LONG ONE TOO.
I, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE COVERED OKAY.
THIS IN TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PROVIDED UPDATES THE ORDINANCES BEFORE YOU.
THE ONLY THING THAT I'VE CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TWO VERSIONS I'VE PROVIDED TO YOU, WE'VE SHARED IT WITH THE EVENT ORGANIZERS, IS I UPDATED JUST ONE SMALL SECTION IN THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARADES AND LIKE RACES WAS THAT THE SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE WILL ASSIST THEM TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON THE NOTIFICATION IF YOU'RE DOING 5K OR IF WE HAD A HALF MARATHON TO PERSONALLY NOTIFY EVERYBODY ALONG THAT ROUTE THAT MAY BE COUNTER TO, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE THINKING THAT THE SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE WILL HELP COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA FOR THOSE SPECIFIC ONES.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I RECOMMENDED WAS SENT YOU, THERE'S A LITTLE ELECTION
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SIGNS.IT COULD HAVE A QR CODE, YOU COULD GO TO THE TOWN WEBSITE, IT'LL TELL YOU THE RACE ROUTE, AND WE CAN POST THOSE ALONG THE ROUTE, UH, THE WEEK BEFORE SO PEOPLE LIVE IN THOSE AREAS WOULD SEE THEM.
BUT WE THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE MORE COMPARABLE THAN PHYSICALLY MAILING OR KNOCKING ON ALL THE DOORS FOR SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, CHARITABLE 5K RACE.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THAT WE'VE MADE.
OTHERWISE EVERYTHING IS THE SAME.
UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'D BE IMPLEMENTING THIS NOW, LIKE I SAID LAST TIME, MOST EVENTS ALREADY FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED.
SO ONCE THIS IS, UH, IF IT GOES TO PUBLIC HEARING AND IT'S ENACTED, THEN AT THAT POINT THESE FEES WOULD GO INTO PLACE UNLESS A LATER DATES HAVE YOU, HOW DO YOU, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE FOR, BUT HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY FEEDBACK SO FAR ABOUT A DISSATISFACTION WITH THE FEES? UH, NO.
THE FEES PARTICULARLY, I'VE HEARD SOME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REOCCURRING EVENTS, BUT I DO THINK EVERYBODY UNDERST UNDERSTANDS, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, AS I'VE PRESENTED, THIS IS NOT COVERING EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE EXPEND.
UM, THIS IS JUST TO HELP OFFSET OUR COSTS ALSO TO PROVIDE BETTER ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE EVENT PRODUCERS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST NOT PAYING A SMALL FEE AND THEN CLOSING OUR STREETS FOR 12 HOURS, SO, RIGHT.
AND ALSO MORE, UH, COMMUNICATION AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE THAT, THAT, THAT'S BEEN A, THERE'S A LOT OF, WITH THE ME, THE BEFORE AND AFTER ACTION MEETINGS WITH VARIOUS GROUPS, WE FEEL IT'S GONNA BE A BETTER PROCESS FOR ALL.
IS THAT FOR EACH OFFICER THEY HAD TO PUT DOWN THERE? CORRECT.
AND THESE WERE KIND OF AVERAGE COSTS OF OUR STAFF.
UM, SO YES, IF YOU HAD FOUR OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE SHUTTING DOWN MAJOR ROADS AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HAVING TO CLOSE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD A MEETING WITH AN EVENT ORGANIZER AND WE AMENDED THEIR ROUTE TO AVOID AS MANY ROAD CLOSURES OR IMPACTS AS POSSIBLE FOR THEIR LOGISTICS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF STAFF IT WOULD'VE TAKEN TO COVER EACH ONE OF THOSE CROSSINGS.
SO, AND THE POLICE THAT ARE DOING THESE EVENTS AREN'T OUR PATROL OFFICERS WHO ARE WORKING THAT DAY.
THESE ARE EXTRA OFFICERS THAT WERE COMING IN OVERTIME, PAYING OVERTIME.
IF IT'S DURING PRIME EVENT SEASON IN OCTOBER, THEY MIGHT THEN TURN AROUND AND BE DOING TRAFFIC CONTROL.
AND LIKE I SAID, THIS MAY MAKE EVENT ORGANIZERS THINK ABOUT THAT EVENTS TO TIGHTEN THEIR OPERATIONS UP AGAIN, DO I NEED TO CLOSE THE ROPE FOR EIGHT HOURS OR CAN I TIGHTEN THAT UP FOR SIX HOURS? YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIMIT.
I MEAN, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THIS TO DISCOURAGE ANY EVENTS.
UM, I THINK WE, WE'VE, WE'VE IMPROVED IN THE AMOUNT OF EVENTS THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN, OR AT LEAST I'VE, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT, THAT THIS YEAR IN PARTICULAR, WE HEARD A FEW MORE, NOT THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR, A FEW MORE, UM, HEARTBURNS WITH PEOPLE ABOUT NOT KNOWING THINGS THAT WERE HAPPENING AND THEN IT HAPPENED AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WERE FRUSTRATED OR WHATEVER.
SO THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CURRENT POLICY WAS TO EVENTUALLY PHASE IN THESE FEES OVER TIME TO PAY 100% WHEN I REVIEWED BACK.
AND IT JUST NEVER WAS IMPLEMENTED FROM THE START.
UM, AND SO AGAIN, THIS, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I THINK IT'S FAIR WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER LOCALITIES DO AS WELL.
SO WE'RE NOT THE ONLY LOCALITY THAT'S OUT THERE TRYING TO DO THIS, UH, WHAT COST US THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A DAY WHEN WE PUT THE VENT ON IT.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK FESTIVAL VIEW, FESTIVAL VIEWS APOLOGIZE.
YES, WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT IT HAS ON OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S A GREAT THING, BUT IT DOES COST THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF ON OUR LITTLE, IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN THIS, BUT IT WAS OVER $5,000.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS OR Y'ALL GOOD WITH PUTTING THIS ON MARCH 23RD? MM-HMM
THAT'S, THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT IS PUBLIC BUSINESS RATE.
AND SO I'LL ENTERTAIN MOTION FOR CLOSE.
I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL, CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2 OF VIRGINIA, VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES.
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2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A EIGHT OF DAKOTA, VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL.MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE INSOLVENCY AND DISPOSITION OF ASSETS OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FOR OIL IN THE COUNTY OF FOREIGN VIRGINIA.
AND TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND BRIEFINGS BY STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR PROBABLE LITIGATION WHERE SUCH CONSULTATION OR BRIEFING AND OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING POSTURE OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, DECISIONS OF BZA A IN CASE NUMBERS 2, 6 0 0 0 0 1 AND 2 6 0 0 0 0.
DOES ANYBODY NEED A BODY BREAK?