* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND [00:00:01] CALL THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE BAR [Board of Architectural Review on February 10, 2026.] TO ORDER. IT'S TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 10TH, 2026. MS. POTTER, ROLL CALL PLEASE. CHAIRMAN WATERS HERE. MS. HENRY AL. MR. AK HERE. MS. AERS? HERE. MS. NASH? HERE. ALRIGHT. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO ELECT A NEW CHAIR. DO WE DO THIS BY MAKING MOTIONS, MAKING MOTION AND ALL? I'VE NEVER BEEN HERE FOR THIS. I WAS ELECTED CHAIRMAN IN MY ABSENCE. OH, I, OH HELL. OH. I MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE, UH, COLIN WATERS. I SECOND TO BE THE CHAIR OF OUR BOARD. SECOND. A MOTION AND A SECOND. MS. POTTER. MR. WATERS? YES. . MS. AERS? YES. NASH? YES. MR. ? YES. NEXT ITEM IS, YOU CAN EVEN ABSTAIN. NOMINATE A VICE CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE. ALLEN, WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? AERS. AERS I SECOND. MOTION. AND SECOND. MS. POTTER. MS. NASH? YES. MS. AERS? YES. IS MR. AK YES. CHAIRMAN WATERS? YEP. GOOD MORNING. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE NEW CHAIR. VICE CHAIR, . ALL RIGHT. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, UM, BECAUSE THERESA'S NOT HERE. KAY. WAIT, I WAS ABSENT LAST TIME. OH, YOU WERE ABSENT. YOU WANTED TO ABSTAIN, BUT THE REST OF YOU, CAN YOU HAVE COURT? YOU WERE HERE. YEAH. OKAY. T WAS HERE. OKAY. YEP, WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. HAVE YOU LOOKED? YES. YOU, YES, I VOTE THAT. OKAY. OH, WHO MOVED? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JANUARY BAR MEETING. JANUARY 13TH BAR MEETING. I SECOND THE MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. NO. MY THIRD VOTE AND I MESSED IT. . PLENTY MORE. ALRIGHT. NEW BUSINESS. SO WE GOT THE APPLICATION THAT WE ALREADY JUST WENT THROUGH, UM, IN THE WORK SESSION. OH TWO OH. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. APPROPRIATENESS FOR, UM, THE TOWN FOR NEW, LIKE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT BE A CHANCE TO REVIEW DURING THE WORK SESSION. 35 SECONDS. SO, UM, I THINK THE ONLY REAL HANGUP WE HAD WAS THE SCALE OF THE LIGHTS. THE PROPOSED MEDIUM SIZED LIGHTS, WHICH ARE 18 INCHES OF DIAMETER, 30 INCHES TALL ON A 12 FOOT POLE, MAY OR MAY NOT JIVE IN ALL INSTANCES. AND THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE THEIR APPLICATION WRITTEN, IT'S FOR ALL LIGHTS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ACROSS THE BOARD. SO I THINK WITH THIS DARK SKY INITIATIVE, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF GETTING THIS GOING AS QUICKLY AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT IDEA. BUT I THINK WE, YOU MAYBE SHOULD THINK ABOUT ADDING A STIPULATION THAT SAYS THAT BEFORE THEY COME BACK TO CHESTER STREET AND MAIN STREET, THAT WE COME BACK AND HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE LIGHTS IN PARTICULAR. AND HOPEFULLY BEFORE THAT TIME WE HAVE A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE MEDIUM AND THE LARGE SIZES. SO WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE ON THE STREET. TAKE THIS UNTIL ONE AIR POSTPONE IT, UNTIL THEY GET A LA LIKE A LARGER LIGHT IN AND INSTALLED. SO YOU CAN SEE IT. I DON'T WANNA HANG HIM UP ORDERING LIGHTS BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S, THEY'RE ON A ROLL AND I DON'T WANT TO, CAN WE AMEND THIS AND JUST SAY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CHESTER? YEAH. AND, AND THE HISTORIC PART OF MAINE, THIS IS APPROVED. OKAY. SO REMIND ME WHERE CHESTER GOES FROM. IT'S THE DIAGONAL SHOOT RIGHT THERE TO GAZEBO ALL THE WAY BACK. RIGHT? OKAY. UH, YEAH. CLOSED OFFICE. WELL, AND THEN ALL THE WAY TO MCCARTHY'S IS MCCARTHY'S, NOT CHESTER, THE ONE THAT SORT OF ANGLES INTO ROYAL. MM-HMM . YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YES. AT, AT THE ONE WHERE I TAKE MY LIFE IN MY HAND THE DAY MM-HMM . DOWN TOWARDS ALLEN'S OFFICE. OH, FROM HERE. OKAY. IT'S GOT THE LOG CABIN ON. YES. OH YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. BUT IF THERE'S TWO STREETS IN THE TOWN THAT WERE, EVERYBODY THINKS OF THIS THE STREET ROUTE. YES. IT'S MAIN AND CHESTER. RIGHT. I KIND OF LIKE THAT. UM, COMPROMISE. [00:05:02] JUST SAY YES WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS APPROVED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAIN AND CHESTER AND RIGHT. AND WE JUST LIKE AMEND, APPROVE THIS AS AMENDED IN THAT WAY AND SEND IT BACK WITH A NOTE THAT SAYS BEFORE WE DO MAIN AND CHESTER, WE'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE LARGER FIXTURE IN THE SAME STUFF YOU CAN ORDER IT, SEE, CALL THEM TOMORROW AND SEE IF WE COULD GET A LARGER LIGHT. SO YEAH. IF HE'S ORDERING A COUPLE HUNDRED OF THESE THINGS, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE HIM WHATEVER YOU WANT. HE, HE THOUGHT HE COULD PRETTY QUICKLY MM-HMM . YEAH. UM, ALRIGHT. SHOULD I MOVE THAT? YES. YES. CAN WE MAKE A MOTION WITH THAT WORDING? OKAY. I, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, CHESTER FOR ITS LENGTH AND MAIN FOR ITS SECTION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. WELL, NO, THIS IS LIKE WE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST SAYING. UH, AND THEN WE INVITE A SECOND APPLICATION FOR MAINE AND CHESTER AFTER WE'VE SEEN SO YOU'RE APPROVING FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OUTSIDE OF MAIN AND CHESTER. YES. AND THEN YOU'D WANT ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR MAIN AND CHESTER. YEAH. MM-HMM . SO RATHER THAN HAVE IT LIGHTS CHANGE PARTWAY DOWN MAIN STREET, I'M GOING TO THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD MAKE IT FOR ALL OF MAIN STREET RATHER THAN JUST THE PORTION THAT'S IN THE HISTORIC STREET. WELL, THAT'S THE ONLY PORTION YOU WEAR. ONLY PLACE THOSE LIGHTS THE WHOLE WAY. THOSE ACORN LIGHTS ONLY GO RIGHT UP TO THE LINE SOMEWHERE AROUND, THEY ONLY GO TO ROYAL AVENUE AS FAR AS I KNOW, SOMEWHERE AROUND ST. JOHN'S OR CHERRY OR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ENDS. AND THEN THERE'S NO POOL LIGHTS AFTER THAT. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION, SO. YEAH. RIGHT. WELL WHAT WE JUST SAY HERE, THE LENGTH OF CHESTER AND MAINE WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION. THERE YOU GO. PERFECT. YEAH. UH, WE PROVE THIS EXCEPT FOR THE LENGTHS OF CHESTER AND MAINE WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION AND WE INVITE A REAPPLICATION FOR THOSE TWO STREETS AFTER SEEING THE LARGER SIZE. OKAY. I'LL SECOND HIS MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? I HAVE DISCUSSION OR DO YOU JUST VOTE? AYE. NO, I THINK WE, WE ALREADY DID THAT IN THE LAST SUGGEST FOR AN HOUR. YEAH. . YEAH. OKAY. CUT BACK MOTION NOW. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? EXCEPT ARE YOU DOING A ROLL CALL OR A VOICE? WE DO VOICE. WE DID A VOICE. OKAY. EXCEPT FOR HENRY. YEP. UH, OKAY. THAT'S EVERYTHING APPLICATION WISE ON THE MEETING. UM, COUPLE THINGS FOR HOUSEKEEPING. WE'LL GET BACK ON THE GUIDELINES NEXT MONTH. DO YOU WANT TO DO A EARLIER MEETING? YES. OKAY. WHATEVER'S MORE CONVENIENT FOR YOU GUYS, BUT I ALSO STILL DON'T HAVE THE EMAILS STILL DON'T HAVE, YEAH, WE'RE WORKING THE DOCUMENT. OUR IT GUYS OUT FOR SURGERY. HE HAD SURGERY, SO WE'RE, WE'LL BE BACK IN MARCH. I, I WENT, I GOT AN EMAIL I GOT, I DIDN'T ACT FAST ENOUGH AND SO I DIDN'T, UH, AND I DIDN'T, I GUESS GRANT IS TAKING HIS PLACE WHILE HE'S OUT AND SO I'VE ASKED TO TRY, BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT OUR COLLABORATIVE DRAFTING REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE A TOWN. CORRECT. YEP. WE'LL HAVE TO USE THE TOWN. I CAN'T DO ANY EARLIER THAN FIVE 30 ON THESE TUESDAYS 'CAUSE I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING WE'RE OKAY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DID LAST WEEK. LAST MONTH WE STOPPED. YEAH, WE'RE DOING A TUESDAY BECAUSE YEAH. OKAY. NEVERMIND. NEVERMIND. I THINK THAT'S, YEAH. SO SIX WHAT? FIVE 30 OR SIX BY END IS FINE. WHATEVER WORKS BEST. WHAT WORKS BETTER FOR YOU GUYS? 5 36. WHAT ARE WE PLANNING MEETING AS EARLY AS TIME? FIVE THIRTY'S TIME FIVE WORKS FOR Y'ALL. I'M I THE ONLY ONE HERE THAT'S RETIRED. I CAN GO ANYTIME. I NEVER WORK FOR YOU GUYS LATER. A LITTLE BETTER FOR ME, BUT I GET HERE FIVE PIPE. UH, THE OTHER THING TO ASK YOU ALL IS THE STOUTS ARE WORKING ON THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE ON BLUE RIDGE. YES, THEY ARE. UM, WITHIN HER APPROVAL AS A WOOD DOOR, SHE HAS ASKED, NOT YOU'VE APPROVED A WOOD DOOR. SHE'S PUTTING A WOOD DOOR. SHE JUST WANTS TO VERIFY THAT THIS STYLE DOOR WITH THIS STAIN WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR HER PROJECT. NOT THAT, THAT [00:10:01] SEEMS KIND OF NOT THAT FLUID. YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE FIVE 30. YES. I MEAN, DOESN'T THERE HAVE TO SHE'S GIVEN TO IT. DOESN'T THERE HAVE TO BE A FORMAL OF A FORMAL? NO, BECAUSE AS LONG AS IT'S WOOD, IT'S WITHIN HER APPROVAL. SHE'S ASKING OUT OF NEIGHBORING OUT OF COURTESY. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT IT UP AND THEN HAVE YOU GUYS SEE IT? YEAH, BUT IF IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE, IT WASN'T THAT DETAILED AND WHAT WAS APPROVED, I MEAN. CORRECT. I'M GRATEFUL THAT SHE, THIS ALSO GOT APPEALED TO TOWN, COUNTY. IT WAS A WHOLE THING. , BUT WE'RE A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ALL BETS ARE OFF. SO, YOU KNOW, I I MEAN HOW, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO YOUR FRONT DOOR? THAT'S EXACTLY MY FRONT DOOR OUT. SO I SO THEN YOU LIKE IT? I LIKE THE DOOR. OKAY. MINE, MINE. I, I GOT A, I CAME AND BOUGHT A HOUSE THAT HAS A PURPLE DOOR, SO I STILL HAVE TO PAINT MINE . SO YEAH, JUST ON THE BASIS OF THAT, THAT'S WHAT NEW BUILT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS LOOKED LIKE FOR AT LEAST ONE OTHER HOUSE. COULD YOU LOOK AT IT? I THINK THEY, YEAH, MINE, MY HOUSE IS 2017. PRETTY NEW. WE NEED TO NOT HAVE MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS AND THEN THEY AGREED. THEY AGREED TO COME BACK AND I THOUGHT THEY JUST AGREED TO DO ONE WINDOW, BUT IT'S, LET'S JUST SAY, DO WE NEED A MOTION THAT SAYS NO, NO, NO, NO. JUST IT'S ON A FORMAL OBLIGATION. THAT'S GREAT. I THINK THAT'D BE JUST VERY NICE. VERY THANKS, UH, NEIGHBORLY TO DO THAT. YES, I THINK THAT'S OKAY. YOU LET THEM KNOW. ANYTHING ELSE, DANIEL? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE, YOU KNOW, BE THINKING ABOUT THE LIGHTING STUFF THAT IN, IN THE GUIDELINES? YEAH. OKAY. NO UPDATES FROM ANY OF OUR PREVIOUS APPLICANT? NO, NOT YET. UM, THE, UH, BCU IS SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO BE OFFERING TRAINING FOR LIKE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND B ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, UM, LATER THIS YEAR. SO WE'VE BEEN CHECKING DATES. THEY SAID IT WOULD BE IN PERSON IN RICHMOND. NICE. AS SOON AS WE KNOW FORWARD THAT INFORMATION TO YOU GUYS COVER YOUR, THAT'S THAT'S A HUGE RESOURCE. THANK YOU. . I'LL DONATE CARDS, BUT, UM, GREAT. I'M EXCITED FOR IT, SO I'M HOPING YES, THAT'D BE GREAT. CAN THREE OF US GO? AH, A RB VIRTUAL, THEY JUST PUT IT UP. OKAY, SO IT'S VIRTUAL. LET SEE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BIRTH PROGRAM SEPTEMBER 24TH THROUGH DECEMBER 4TH, WHICH MEANS IT'LL BE SEPTEMBER 24TH THAT DAY. AND THEN THE CLOSING SESSION WILL BE DECEMBER 4TH. SO I'LL GIVE YOU HOMEWORK SO I CAN GET EVERYBODY REGISTERED. UM, AT HOME STUDY IS THE 26TH THROUGH DECEMBER 3RD. IT'S FROM EIGHT 30 TO FOUR ON SEPTEMBER 24TH. SEPTEMBER 25TH AND DECEMBER 4TH. SO LET'S SEE IF THEY GOT WE'LL SEND IT OUT AN EMAIL. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S DREADFUL. EIGHT 30 TO FOUR, TWO DAYS IN A ROW VERSUS I DON'T WANNA HEAR ANY FUSSING WHEN YOU WANT TRAINING, TRAINING, TRAINING, TRAINING. NOTHING. I'D PAY MY OWN WAY IF I COULD GO IN PERSON, EMAIL THEM TO AND ASK IF THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING IT IN PERSON. WHEN I WENT, THEY SAID IT WAS GONNA BE ON. WE'RE LUCKY . SO, SO THE WAY IT WORKS WITH THE, THE BZA AND THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER TRAINING WHEN THEY DO THAT IS YOU WOULD GO DOWN IN PERSON FOR TWO DAYS AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE AN ASSIGNMENT OR HOMEWORK HOME STUDY STUFF FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. THEN YOU'D GO BACK FOR THE CLOSING SESSION. THAT WOULD BE LIKE TWO DAYS. TWO DAYS. THEN YOU'D GET YOUR CERTIFICATE. UH, SO I ASSUME IT'D BE THE SAME WAY. UM, YEAH, AND YOU CAN GO, LIKE IF IT, YOU OPEN UP AN IN PERSON ONE, YOU CALL THEM DON'T DISCUSS SPECIAL BUSINESS. OKAY. BE COGNIZANT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND THEN TYPICALLY, LIKE THEIR ASSIGNMENT IS GO TO ANOTHER, UM, LIKE BAR MEETING IN A DIFFERENT JURISDICTION AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE YOU JUST WRITE A LITTLE PARAGRAPH OR TWO ON WHAT THAT WAS LIKE, HOW IT COMPARES TO YOURS. UM, WHAT WAS THE APPLICATION AND WHAT WAS THE A CODE THAT THEY'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH RATING MATERIALS? LIKE FOR PLANNING COMMISSION YOU GET THREE BOOKS. UM, SO I I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD BE PRETTY [00:15:01] SIMILAR TO THAT. GOOD. SOUNDS GOOD. SOMEBODY'S THINKING ABOUT IT. WHICH IS, I, IS THERE A WAY, I'M JUST WORKING ON SIDEWALK CLEARING AND SIDEWALK GENERALLY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH A FOCUS IN THE WALKABLE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IS THERE SOME WAY THAT I CAN JUST ASK FOR PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS ON THAT? SO I DON'T HAVE A, WE JUST WATCH YOUR EMAIL TIMES DON'T ALL RESPOND WITHIN 30 SECONDS. LIKE IF YOU'RE EMAILING THEM. RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, CAN I ASK RIGHT NOW JUST IF, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY, ANY THOUGHTS AT ALL ON, ON SIDEWALKS, THEIR MATERIALS, HOW WE CLEAR THEM, UH, IF THERE WERE, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL RACE ALL THE WAY TO THE END. I IMAGINE A WORLD WHERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE'S A $9 A MONTH FEE FROM NOVEMBER TO MARCH. AND FOR THAT FEE, THE TOWN ASSUMES THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CLEARING. BUT THERE'S ALREADY AN ORDINANCE THAT IT'S PROPERTY OWNERS. CORRECT. CORRECT. IN OTHER WORDS. AND WE SEE WHAT THAT GETS US. NO SNOW. YES. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSIBILITY. BUT YOU YOU, IT'S KIND OF LIKE SAYING IN PHILADELPHIA BEFORE BEN FRANKLIN, EVERYBODY WAS SUPPOSED TO PUT OUT THEIR OWN FIRES. AND THEN YOU SEE THE, AND YOU SEE WHAT WE GET. UM, I MEAN HALF OF THE PROPERTIES ON CHESTER STREET ARE, ARE UNCLEARED AND IN FACT A THIRD OF THEM HAVE PILED AS THEY CLEARED THEIR LOTS. THEY'VE PILED THEM ON THE SIDEBOARD. THAT'S KIND OF AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. YEAH, THAT'S, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT $9 AND PUT IT IN A POT TO REALLY FREE FLY FIXTURES. I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S AN ISSUE. I DON'T THINK IT'S A FAR ISSUE. I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A MAINTENANCE, YEAH. MAINTENANCE ISSUE ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THAT IN THIS, THAT ENFORCEABLE THING. I'LL TRY KEEP IT IN HOUR. IT'S CODE. IT'S A NUISANCE CODE YOU GO TO. IT'S NOT ME BY THE WAY. I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF CRAP THE LAST TWO WEEKS AGO ABOUT IT AND I'M NOT DOING MY JOB, BUT IT'S NOT MY JOB. IT'S A NUISANCE CODE AND HANDLED THROUGH THE TOWN MANAGER'S OFFICE. AND IF SO, JOE'S GETTING ALL THIS CALL. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE , GOTTA BE ME. THAT'S HOW BAD IT'S GOTTEN. RIGHT. AND THEN IF, IF SOMETHING'S GOING TO BE DONE ABOUT IT, PUBLIC WORKS WOULD GO OUT AND DO IT. THEY'VE GOT THEIR WORK CUT OUT FOR 'EM ALREADY AND THEY'VE DONE, THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES LIKE, UM, WE HAVE A MIX OF, OF AGGREGATE SURFACE SIDEWALKS. WE HAVE BRICK INLAY. UM, IT, IT ACTUALLY, THE, THE, THE SURFACE OF THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS IS DETERIORATING AND AT SOME POINT IT'S GONNA BE RIPE REPLACING THEM SECTION BY SECTION. THEY'RE ALSO MISSING CURB CUTS. MM-HMM . UH, LIKE THERE'S A CROSSWALK RIGHT IN FRONT OF MORRISON THAT NEEDS A CURB CUT. AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO GET YOU THINKING ON A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO SURE. SIDEWALKS, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, WHAT THEY'RE MADE OF AND, AND WHETHER INSTEAD OF EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF AND A FEW VOLUNTEERS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, I MEAN, IT, IT IS JUST SO MUCH MORE EFFICIENT TO HAVE A GUY WITH A SNOWBLOWER WHO JUST, WHO JUST KEEPS GOING INSTEAD OF LOADING IT BACK ONTO HIS TRUCK, TAKING IT TO THE NEXT LOCATION, UNLOADING IT, DOING A SECTION THAT YOU REALLY COULD GUARANTEE THAT ALL SNOW WOULD BE CLEARED BY THE TOWN. ARE YOU FROM THE NORTH FOR $9 A MONTH? ARE YOU FROM THE NORTH? THESE ARE, THESE ARE BOSTONIAN INSIGHTS. UH, SO YOU'RE GONNA START A CONTRACTING BUSINESS WHERE YOU DO SNOW. I MEAN, IT MAY COME TO THAT, BUT UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST DO YOU LIVE IN TON MM-HMM . WE, WE, WE AREN'T THE COMMUNITY THAT WE THINK THEY ARE. WE ARE OF VOLUNTEERS OR THERE AREN'T ENOUGH OF US WHO ARE SHOVELING OUR NEIGHBOR'S WALKS, DIGGING OUT OUR NEIGHBOR'S HYDRANTS. SURE. AND, AND WE AREN'T AS ABLE-BODIED AS WE IMAGINE OURSELVES TO BE. AND THE RESULT IS WE NEVER NOTICED BECAUSE IT WOULD ALWAYS MELT BEFORE ANYBODY NOTICED WHO HAD ACTUALLY CLEARED THEIR WALK AND WHO HADN'T THAT LIKE ARM SUN WOULD, WOULD CLEAR IT IN 48 HOURS. SO YOU NEVER NOTICED WHO HADN'T CLEARED IT IN 24. SURE. UM, 30 YEARS AGO, 40 YEARS AGO PROBABLY WASN'T AN ISSUE. EVERYBODY CAME OUT AND DID IT. UM, HAVE THEIR OWN RIGHT PIECE OF PRIDE. THAT'S WHAT I DO. IT'S WHAT MY NEIGHBORS DO. WE HAVE A UNSPOKEN AGREEMENT. WE ALL COME OUT, WE ALL SHOVEL AND HELP EACH OTHER AND THEN IT'S DONE. YES. [00:20:01] BUT FOR ME THAT WANNA LIVE BY YOU. FOR ME, MY, MY BLAST RADIUS IS ABOUT THREE HOUSES. UH, IN, IN TERMS OF HOW, HOW I FEEL GUILTY SO ELSE WANTS TOO. THERE WAS LITTLE PEER PRESSURE TOO. AND THAT'S WHY SUMMER WORSE THAN NOT TELLING PEOPLE TOLD TO MOW GRASS. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT THE TOWN MOW EVERYONE'S GRASS. BUT THE THE OTHER THING THAT SURPRISES PEOPLE IS THAT THE TOWN OWNS THE SIDEWALK, BUT THE HOMEOWNER IS REQUIRED TO SHOVEL IT. THEY NEED TO TAKE THAT UP WITH THE STATE OF VIRGINIA BECAUSE THAT IS NUISANCE CODE IN THE STATE HALL. RIGHT. BUT IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING IF GOING THE OTHER WAY, WHICH IS, UH, IF THE TOWN WANTED LIKE GARBAGE PICKUP TO SAY WE'RE DOING SNOW PICKUP. UH, AND THE NICE THING IS, IS THAT IT BECAUSE THE, THE IN THE NORTH, THE PROBLEM IS THAT A A THOUSAND PEOPLE EACH GO OUT AND BUY A $500 SNOWBLOWER. AND SO ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE'VE SPENT A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ON SNOWBLOWERS, WHICH WE EACH GET OUT USE FOR 15 MINUTES IF IT STARTS AND THEN STRANDED AGAIN. OR YOU COULD HAVE BOUGHT ONE SNOWBLOWER KEPT IT IN SHAPE AND, BUT THAT THERE'S ALSO THE, AND THAT GUY WOULD JUST IN UM, FIVE SNOWBLOWERS COULD CLEAR THE WHOLE TOWN IN FOUR HOURS. UM, ONE SNOWBLOWER COULD CLEAR THE WHOLE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN FOUR HOURS. UM, SO IT'S CAN I INTERRUPT? WAS DID THEY CALL THIS A 20 YEAR STORM? DID YOU GUYS READ THAT? I DON'T KNOW THE OPENING HOW COLD IT WAS WE'RE USED TO. I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT. THIS IS WAY OUT OUR SCOPE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR POINT ON THINKING ABOUT FUTURE SIDEWALK REPLACEMENTS. 'CAUSE THAT'S A CONSTANT BATTLE AND WE'VE GOT BEAUTIFUL EXPOSED AGGREGATE SIDEWALKS HERE ON MAIN STREET. MM-HMM . I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD FOCUS ON IN THE FUTURE. IT'S NO REMOVAL THING. I AGREE. IS A S**T SHOW TOTALLY OUT OF OUR PURVIEW. I THINK THIS SIDEWALK IS SOMETHING THAT ABSOLUTELY COULD BE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE BAR AND THE DPW. WHAT'S THE DPW? IS THAT THE WRONG TERM? IS THAT A NORTHERN TERM PUBLIC WORKS? WELL I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE A CON, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE OF JUST CONVERSATION TO THE TOWN MANAGER OR THE TOWN COUNCIL ABOUT, YEP. SO I JUST A FORM OF SNOW FORCE OR WHATEVER. WE'RE LOOKING AT DAR SCOTT DOOR. I WANTED YOU TO LOOK AT MY SIDEWALK VY LODGE. AND THAT'S THE ONLY, OH, AND JUST FYI, BEFORE Y'ALL LEAVE, THERE'S 20 LEFT IN THAT TRAINING. I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL TOMORROW MORNING IF YOU WANT IN. WE'RE GONNA NEED TO REGISTER YOU IN LIKE THE NEXT DAY OR TWO. FOR WHAT? THE TRAINING? THERE'S 28 SPOTS LEFT. WELL, WHICH WE ALSO NEED TO CHECK ON. 'CAUSE IF IT'S VIRTUAL, WHY IS THERE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPOTS? WE PROBABLY NEED TO MAKE A CALL DOWN THERE AS WELL. SIGN ME UP. ALRIGHT. EVERYBODY WANNA BE SIGNED UP IF THAT IS THE CASE AND THEY'RE NOT OFFERING IN PERSON. NOT IF IT'S VIRTUAL. IF IT'S VIRTUAL, DON'T SEND ME IT. OKAY. BUT EVERY, I FEEL LIKE I, I MEAN I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD. YEAH. IS THERE A NO, IS THERE A MONEY BACK? KIND OF LIKE NO, WE ONCE IT'S $700 A PERSON. SO 700. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO THINK SO. IS IT 700 IF THEY HAVE IN PERSON AND WE HAVE THE OPTION, DOES IT CHANGE THE, WE'LL GIVE THEM A CALL TOMORROW AND SEND YOU, I'D LIKE TO HOLD OFF HER IN PERSON TOO. UM, WE'LL OUT, WE'LL FIND OUT IF IT IS VIRTUAL ONLY. I THINK WE SHOULD DRAW STRAWS AND ONE OF US SHOULD DO AND THEN REPORT BACK. I WILL. IF IT'S, IF IT IS, I WILL DO IT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF BACKGROUND OR EXPERIENCE OF ALL OF YOU ALL. SO I WILL DO THE VIRTUAL TRAINING. IF IT'S TAKE ONE FOR VIRTUAL TEAM, I'LL VIRTUAL I'LL, I NEED IT. OKAY. I HATE IT. I DON'T WANNA DO IT VIRTUALLY. IF I CAN GO IN PERSON I PREFER IT, WE'LL CALL. BUT IF NOT, BECAUSE EVERY OTHER CLASS THEY OFFER BOTH, SO. YEAH. OR MAYBE THEY JUST GOT THE VIRTUAL OUT FIRST. YEAH. SO WE'LL, WE'LL FIND OUT. YEAH, I WOULD PREFER, OKAY. I MOVED, WE ADJOURNED. I THINK YOU ALREADY DID, DIDN'T WE? NO. OH, WE DID IT. NO, I, I SECOND THAT. STEPPED IN FRONT OF HIM. UH, YEAH, I SECOND THAT. OKAY. AYE THAT IS A REALLY ARO COUPLE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.