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          [Town Council Work Session on February 9, 2026.]
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I HAVE PAUL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, FEBRUARY 9TH. 
          THE ORDER OF MS. PRES. 
          CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR . 
          HERE. 
          VICE, VICE HERE. 
          COUNCILMAN DEMON PAYNE? HERE. 
          HERE. 
          COUNSEL. 
          AVEN. 
          COURT. 
          COUNCIL . 
          HERE. 
          HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT IS A PRESENTATION FOR THE ELECTRIC COST OF SERVICE STUDY OVERVIEW. 
          AND I'M ASSUMING IT'S A PARTICULAR YES. 
          UH, THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. 
          SO WE HAVE BOTH OUR DIRECTOR OF ENERGY SERVICES, CARRIE , AND OUR GRIDS REPRESENTATIVE LAN, WHO IS HERE ON HALF OUR GRID TO GIVE PRESENTATION. 
          TERRY, YOU WANT TAKE GO? YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE ARE, DID THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY FOR ELECTRICAL RATES, UH, WE'RE NOT DUMB ON IT, BUT CLARIFY, IT'S GONNA BE A SLIGHT INCREASE. 
          UM, SO A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS, WE ARE CURRENTLY $1.1 MILLION IN THE HOLE WITH OUR ELECTRIC GRADES. 
          UM, SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO GET US BACK EVEN SO KYLE PLANTING WITH OUR GRID IS GONNA GIVE Y'ALL THE STUDY WE DID, AND THEN ME, JOE, BJ CAN KIND OF TAG TEAM QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE AS THEY COME. 
          SO I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO KYLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HEY, I'M KYLE WETTON, UH, PROJECT MANAGER FOR RE POWER. 
          UM, I CONDUCTED THE COST OF SERVICE AND RATE STUDY AND I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE ANALYSIS THAT WE PERFORMED. 
          SO THE AGENDA FOR THE PRESENTATION, WE'LL GO THROUGH WHAT A COST OF SERVICE STUDY IS, THE METHODOLOGY WE USE. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT FRONT ROYALS UTILITY FINANCIAL HISTORY FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS. 
          WE'LL LOOK AT SOME SIMPLE LOAD PROJECTIONS FOR DEMAND, THE ENERGY USAGE FOR YOUR UTILITY SYSTEM. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT EXPENSE AND REVENUE FORECASTS FOR THE FIVE YEAR STUDY PERIOD. 
          WE'LL GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDED RATE CHANGES, THE IMPACTS THOSE RATE CHANGES WILL HAVE ON YOUR CONSUMERS. 
          AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PCA RATE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME, FEEL FREE TO STOP ME OR WE CAN REGROUP AT THE END AND, AND TALK THROUGH. 
          SO LIKE YOU'RE HAVING TO LOOK AROUND IT. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, SO COST OF SERVICE STARTS WITH A UTILITY FINANCIAL REVIEW. 
          WE LOOK AT REVENUES FROM ELECTRIC, FROM ELECTRIC SALES FOR ALL YOUR CUSTOMERS. 
          WE LOOK AT DEPARTMENT OPERATING BUDGETS AND YOUR WHOLESALE POWER COSTS. 
          WE BUILD A FINANCIAL MODEL USING TWO YEARS OF PAST DATA. 
          WE LOOK AT MONTHLY ENERGY AND DEMAND USAGE FOR EACH RETAIL CLASS AND THE REVENUE COLLECTIONS FOR EACH RETAIL CLASS. 
          WE LOOK AT WHOLESALE POWER COSTS AND THE HISTORICAL UTILITY MARGINS. 
          WE USE THAT FINANCIAL MODEL TO PRODUCE A FORECAST FOR THE FIVE YEAR STUDY PERIOD. 
          WE'RE FORECASTING REVENUES FOR THE UTILITY AND EXPENSES FOR THE UTILITY, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPECTED SYSTEM MARGINS. 
          SO THIS FORECAST ESTABLISHES THE BASELINE REVENUE COLLECTIONS. 
          IF YOU MADE NO RATE CHANGES TODAY, WHAT WOULD YOUR REVENUE COLLECTIONS LOOK LIKE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? WE COMPARE THAT TO ANTICIPATED EXPENSES AND WE SEE, DO WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS? THE ANSWER IS YES. 
          THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY WORKS FROM THIS BIG PICTURE. 
          HOW'S THE OVERHAUL HEALTH OF THE UTILITY LOOKING? AND THEN WE POUR DOWN INTO INDIVIDUAL RATE CLASSES AND RATE COMPONENTS. 
          THAT'S THE FIXED AND THE VARIABLE PORTIONS OF YOUR CONSUMER'S BILLS AND IT'S RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL TOWN ACCOUNTS. 
          EVERYBODY'S INVOLVED. 
          SO WE TAKE ALL THE UTILITY EXPENSES THAT WE'RE FORECASTING FOR THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD AND WE GROUP THEM INTO BUCKETS BASED ON THE WAY THOSE COSTS ARE INCURRED BY YOUR CONSUMERS. 
          SOMETHING LIKE AN ENERGY PURCHASE, JUST STRAIGHT KILOWATT HOUR SALES. 
          WE'RE GONNA APP PORTION ALL THOSE ENERGY COSTS TO CONSUMERS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF KILOWATT HOURS THEY USE. 
          SOMETHING LIKE METER EXPENSES. 
          IT'S A FIXED CHARGE. 
          IT'S PER CUSTOMER. 
          THOSE ARE, UH, PROPORTION TO EACH RATE CLASS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS IN THAT CLASS. 
          IT'S A FAIR AND EQUITABLE WAY TO DISTRIBUTE COSTS AND IT GENERATES A FAIR AND EQUITABLE RATE ON THE BACK END. 
          THESE ALLOCATIONS DETERMINE THE TOTAL COST TO SERVE EACH RETAIL CLASS. 
          THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE COLLECTION WE WOULD HOPE TO GET FROM EACH RETAIL CLASS TO MAKE EACH CLASS REVENUE NEUTRAL. 
          SO THE COST OF SERVICE LOOKS AT THE COMPONENTS OF EACH RETAIL RATE, THOSE FIXED AND VARIABLE COSTS, AND WE SET THOSE TO MATCH THE WAYS THAT YOUR CONSUMERS INCUR COSTS THE UTILITIES FINANCIAL HISTORY FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS. 
          SO POWER COST HAS RISEN SHARPLY. 
          IN FY 2025 BUDGET EXPENSES WENT UP IN FY TWO TWO 2025. 
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THAT WAS MOSTLY DUE TO ONE-TIME CAPITAL EXPENSES. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT AVERAGE BUDGET OVER THE THREE YEARS. 
          AVERAGE POWER COST OVER THE THREE YEARS WE'RE GONNA FORECAST ON A TREND. 
          THE TOTAL EXPENSES OF 19, A LITTLE OVER 20, AND THEN UP ABOVE $23 MILLION FOR 2025 IS WHAT WE'RE STARTING WITH FROM A UTILITY WIDE PERSPECTIVE. 
          REVENUE COLLECTIONS, TOTAL REVENUE COLLECTIONS, 19.8, 20.1, AND 20.3. 
          THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD FROM A SYSTEM MARGIN PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO THIS MEANS THAT THE UTILITY HAS BEEN OPERATING IN A HOLE FOR THE PAST FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          BASICALLY YOU'VE BEEN UNDER COLLECTING ON REVENUES AND PAYING OUT OF POCKET TO SERVE YOUR CONSUMERS. 
          SO THIS IS A BASIC LOAD FORECAST. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT LOAD FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. 
          ENERGY KILOWATT HOUR USAGE AND DEMAND KW USAGE, MA MAINLY THAT SYSTEM CAPACITY IS THE NUMBER WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR TOTAL LOAD ON YOUR SYSTEM. 
          SO WE FORECAST THAT FORWARD. 
          WE'RE FORECASTING UTILITY EXPENSES BASED ON THIS THREE YEAR HISTORY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF, UH, NON-POWER COST EXPENSES. 
          BASICALLY THIS IS YOUR UTILITY OPERATING BUDGET YEAR TO YEAR. 
          ABOUT HALF GOES TO TRANSFERS TO THE TOWN TAXES AND DEPRECIATION ON YOUR UTILITY PLANT. 
          ABOUT A QUARTER IS SALARIES AND BENEFITS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE OTHER PIECES. 
          YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO, SO FFY 25 WE'RE DONE WITH THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO SO WE WERE 3 MILLION IN THE WHOLE THEN. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR THAT YEAR, FOR THAT OPERATING YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND IT'S FOR THE OPERATING YEAR, BUT WE'VE CARRIED FORWARD THE ONE TIME EXPENSES IS CARRY OVER PURCHASE ORDERS. 
          SO ALL OF THOSE WERE A LOT OF THOSE, NOT ALL OF THEM. 
          A LOT OF THOSE WERE PAID OUT IN FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          SO WE HAD BEEN, UM, SETTING MONEY ASIDE FOR THOSE. 
          SO IT DOES APPEAR IN FISCAL YEAR 25, WE TOOK A $3 MILLION LOSS, BUT WE HAD BEEN SETTING THOSE FUNDS ASIDE TO, UM, MAKE THOSE PURCHASES. 
          WE PURCHASED THE, UM, UH, MANASSAS SUBSTATION TRANSFORMER HAPPY CREEK SUBSTATION TRANSFORMER, UM, THE BUYER RETENTION POND, UH, THE TRANSFORMERS THAT WERE IN ORDER FOR A COUPLE YEARS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THOSE. 
          SURE. 
          SO ALL OF THOSE ONE TIME EXPENSES CAME THROUGH. 
          SO WE WEREN'T ACTUALLY IN THE WHOLE $3 MILLION OR JUST THE ONE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE WHEN TERRY STARTED OFF, HE SAID WE'RE 1.1 MILLION IN THE WHOLE, WE'RE TRACKING ABOUT ONE, UH, $1 MILLION OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, WHEN I SAW 1 MILLION, I SAW 3 MILLION. 
          THAT'S, IT WAS A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M, I'M WITH YOU NOW THAT $7.6 MILLION THERE IN, IN ROW TWO, THAT'S THE INCREASE. 
          THAT'S MAINLY FROM THOSE CAPITAL EXPENSES THAT BJ WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO, SO THAT NOT EXPECTED TO CONTINUE GOING FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, SO DEPRECIATION, UM, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF DEPRECIATION, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A CASH OUT FIGURE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO HOW MUCH OF THAT $3 MILLION IS GO BACK TO THE MINUS, MINUS DEPRECIATION CASH OUT IN OTHER WORDS? UH, I DON'T HAVE THE DEPRECIATION NUMBER ON HAND. 
          IT'S NOT A LARGE PORTION OF IT. 
          YEAH, IT'S NOT A BIG NUMBER. 
          IT'S NOT A BIG NUMBER AT ALL. 
          THAT THIS HALF IS 49%. 
          MOST OF THAT COMES FROM TRANSFERS AND TAX EXPENSES. 
          TRANSFERS BEING THE, WHERE THE ELECTRIC FUNDS HELP SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND FOR LIKE THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE, THE GENERAL MANAGER, IT, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          YOU'RE INDIRECT, YOU'RE INDIRECT EXPENSES. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          INDIRECT EXPENSES. 
          SO WE, WE FORECAST THOSE EXPENSES FIVE YEARS GOING FORWARD. 
          WE TRY AND USE AVERAGE VALUES. 
          WE TRY AND USE A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE, BUT WE DO WANT TO CAPTURE EXPECTED COSTS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE FIGURES. 
          EXPECTED BUDGET WILL RISE TO ABOUT 23.7 MILLION IN 2030. 
          AND JUST AS A REMINDER, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE COLLECTING ABOUT 20 MILLION IN REVENUES. 
          SO WE MAKE SOME BASE REVENUE PROJECTIONS AS WELL. 
          SO WE LOOK AT CONSUMER BASE BY RETAIL CLASS. 
          JUST AS A BRIEF OVERVIEW, YOU GOT ABOUT 7700, 7800, UH, RETAIL CONSUMERS ON YOUR SYSTEM RIGHT NOW. 
          ABOUT 6,700 RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS, ABOUT A THOUSAND COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS, AND THEN A HANDFUL OF TOWN, UH, MUNICIPAL FACILITY ACCOUNTS. 
          OKAY. 
          I I WANNA MAKE AN OBSERVATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          'CAUSE PEOPLE WERE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT WE'RE GROWING, WE'RE GROWING, WE'RE GROWING. 
          LIKE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT FROM 2024 TO 2025, ONLY 10 ADDITIONAL 
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ACCOUNTS. 
          10 ADDITIONAL ACCOUNTS. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FROM A LOAD PERSPECTIVE, THERE IS SOME GROWTH THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO CAUTION LOAD IS WEATHER DEPENDENT. 
          SO IT MAY LOOK LIKE YOU'VE ADDED A BUNCH OF LOAD THAT MAY NOT BE TRUE. 
          IT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN A COLDER THAN AVERAGE WINTER. 
          IT MAY HAVE BEEN A WARMER THAN AVERAGE SUMMER. 
          SURE. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, LOAD LOAD IS VARIABLE. 
          YOU LOOK AT LONG TERM TRENDS AND YOU TRY AND ESTABLISH AN AVERAGE BASELINE. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT YOUR RESIDENTIAL CONSUMERS USE ABOUT HALF OF YOUR PURCHASED ENERGY. 
          UH, MOST OF THE REST GOES TO THOSE COMMERCIAL DEMAND. 
          THOSE ARE YOUR LARGER COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS. 
          UM, THOSE 800 THERE ON THE LEFT, WOULD YOU TRACK METER DEMAND AS WELL FOR THOSE COMMERCIAL DEMAND ACCOUNTS? AND THEN WE PUT TOGETHER A BASELINE REVENUE FORECAST. 
          SO THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS NUMBER HERE AT THE BOTTOM IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE LAST SLIDE. 
          THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES. 
          MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES ARE METER CONNECTION CHARGES. 
          THOSE ARE, UH, LATE FEES, INTEREST ON LATE FEES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THOSE ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT GUARANTEED REVENUE. 
          SO WE TRY NOT TO INCLUDE THAT IN OUR REVENUE FORECAST. 
          WE TRY AND SET RATES BASED ON JUST THE ELECTRIC RATES, UH, BUT WE WILL COME TALK ABOUT THOSE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES IN A COUPLE SLIDES. 
          UM, SO THIS IS YOUR BASE REVENUE FORECAST. 
          LIKE I SAID, WITH WITHOUT THOSE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES, WE WOULD EXPECT YOU TO DO BETWEEN 19 AND A HALF AND $20.3 MILLION WORTH OF REVENUE WITH CURRENT RATES. 
          SO IF YOU MAKE NO RATE CHANGES, THOSE ARE YOUR COLLECTIONS EXPECTED COLLECTIONS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          AND NOW LET'S TALK TOTAL NUMBERS AS PROJECTED REVENUES FOR THE FIVE YEAR STUDY PERIOD OF ALMOST A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, ABOUT $20 MILLION A YEAR, PROJECTED EXPENSES OF $115 MILLION, THAT'S A $15.7 MILLION PROJECTED MARGIN LOSS. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S A HUNDRED MILLION IN ROUND NUMBERS AND IT'S A 15.7% LOSS FOR YOUR UTILITY OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD IF YOU MAKE NO CHANGES. 
          SO LET'S TALK ABOUT RECOMMENDED RATE CHANGES. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT COST OF SERVICE PHILOSOPHY HERE. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, YOUR RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES CHARGE, THIS IS THE MONTHLY TO THE FIXED MONTHLY CHARGE ON EVERYONE'S BILL. 
          EVERY MONTH IS $8 AND 50 CENTS. 
          I WILL TELL YOU HOW STRAIGHT OUT OF THE WAY, THAT IS VERY LOW. 
          THE ENERGY CHARGE IS 9.8 AND A HALF CENTS. 
          THE PCA CHARGE IS UNDER A PENNY. 
          YOUR AVERAGE ENERGY USAGE CHARGE IS ABOUT 10.60 CENTS. 
          RECOMMENDED RATES ARE TO RAISE THAT FACILITY'S CHARGE TO $25 AND BARELY TOUCH. 
          THE AVERAGE ENERGY CHARGE GO UP TO 10.75. 
          THAT PCA RATE IS GONNA BE RESET TO ZERO FOR THE FIRST RATE PERIOD. 
          AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHY THAT IS AND HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK GOING FORWARD. 
          SO, FACILITIES CHARGE, ENERGY CHARGE, THE UTILITY HAS FIXED COSTS EVERY SINGLE MONTH. 
          YOU HAVE, UH, DISTRIBUTION INFRASTRUCTURE, THE POLES, THE WIRES, THE TRANSFORMERS, THE SUBSTATIONS. 
          YOU HAVE BUILDINGS, YOU HAVE SALARIES, YOU HAVE UNIFORMS AND TRAINING. 
          THOSE ARE COSTS. 
          THE UTILITY INCURS EVERY SINGLE MONTH. 
          WHETHER YOU SELL ZERO KILOWATT HOURS OR A MILLION KILOWATT HOURS, THEY HAVE TO PAY THOSE COSTS EVERY SINGLE MONTH. 
          PROPER RATE DESIGN, IDEAL RATE DESIGN RECOVERS THOSE FIXED COSTS WITH FIXED CHARGES. 
          FROM A RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE, EVERY SINGLE RESIDENTIAL CONSUMER ON YOUR SYSTEM HAS A, HAS BASICALLY THE IDENTICAL METER SET UP. 
          THEY HAVE THE IDENTICAL SERVICE SET UP. 
          THEY USE THE SAME AMOUNT OF THOSE FIXED COSTS FROM A SALARY UNIFORM TRAINING, BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE POLES, WIRES, TRANSFORMERS AS EVERY OTHER CUSTOMER ON YOUR SYSTEM, WHETHER THEY USE ZERO KILOWATT HOURS OR 5,000 KILOWATT HOURS IN THE MONTH. 
          SO PROPER RATE DESIGN IS TO ASK THOSE CUSTOMERS TO PAY THOSE FIXED COSTS. 
          EVERYBODY GETS ONE SINGLE PORTION. 
          WE HAVE ADDED UP ALL THOSE FIXED COSTS FOR THE UTILITY. 
          WE'VE SPREAD IT OUT OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD. 
          WE'VE DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF 60 MONTHS. 
          WE'VE DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL CONSUMERS, COST OF SERVICE AS $25 AVERAGE. 
          SO IF YOU SET THAT TO $25, YOU RECOVER THOSE FIXED CHARGES. 
          IT HELPS THE UTILITY SMOOTH OUT REVENUE COLLECTION. 
          IT HELPS YOUR CUSTOMERS BUDGET BETTER BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SMOOTHER BILLING CYCLE. 
          IF YOU DUMP A REVENUE, IF YOU DUMP A RATE INCREASE ALL IN ENERGY CHARGE, WHEN YOU HAVE A AN 
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EXTREME WEATHER MONTH, YOU GET A JANUARY THAT'S VERY COLD, YOU GET A JULY, THAT'S VERY HOT. 
          THOSE CUSTOMER BILLS GO WAY UP AND DOWN. 
          UTILITY COLLECTIONS GO WAY UP AND DOWN. 
          WHEN THE UTILITY GETS TO A SHOULDER MONTH, THEY START UNDER COLLECTING ON THOSE FIXED CHARGES BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A VARIABLE RATE, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE ENERGY USAGE THAT GOES UP AND DOWN WITH WEATHER. 
          SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT TOTAL NUMBERS AND HOW THAT RATE COMPARES TO OTHER UTILITIES IN YOUR AREA. 
          AND YOU'LL BE SURPRISED, I THINK COMMERCIAL, YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A $20 FACILITY CHARGE. 
          YOU HAVE A A TWO TIERED ENERGY RATE AND YOU HAVE A DEMAND CHARGE RIGHT NOW THAT'S REALLY AN ENERGY ADJUSTMENT. 
          UM, IT LOOKS AT, IT LOOKS AT HOW MUCH DEMAND YOUR COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS ARE USING OVER A 7.5 KW FLOOR, AND IT ADJUST THE ENERGY RATE THAT THOSE CUSTOMERS ARE PAYING. 
          IT'S A LITTLE CONVOLUTED. 
          IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO TO BILL THAT WAY. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA TRY AND MAKE THAT SIMPLER. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SAME PCA CHARGE FOR THOSE COMMERCIALS. 
          SO PHASE ONE RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO UP TO $40 ON THAT FACILITIES CHARGE FOR A VERY SIMILAR REASON. 
          $40 IS, IS THE AVERAGE COMMERCIAL FIXED COST PER MONTH. 
          NOW YOU, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FI THE $40, DOES THAT COVER LIKE DIVISIONS ON MAIN STREET TOO? RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW ALL OF YOUR COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS ARE IN ONE GROUP, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA GO UP ON EVERYBODY BY TO $40. 
          THERE'S A PHASE TWO COMING THAT'S GONNA BREAK OUT THOSE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS INTO DIFFERENT RATES. 
          AND THAT WAY YOUR BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET WON'T PAY THE SAME AS YOUR HOSPITAL. 
          IT WON'T PAY THE SAME AS, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR SUPER LARGE USAGE. 
          YEP. 
          SO WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA GET THERE IN PHASE TWO. 
          PHASE ONE IS THE FIRST STEP. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE A SINGLE ENERGY CHARGE THAT'S KIND OF A BLEND OF THOSE TWO EXISTING RATES. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA DO A VERY SMALL DEMAND CHARGE OF A DOLLAR 50. 
          THAT ONLY APPLIES TO USAGE OVER 10 KW YOUR BUSINESS IS ON MAIN STREET, PROBABLY NOT GONNA HIT THAT 10 KW. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          THEY WILL NOT HAVE THAT DEMAND CHARGE. 
          IF THEY DO, IT'LL BE A DOLLAR 50 PER KW. 
          THOSE, THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES ARE UNDER 15 KW, BASICALLY EVERY ONE OF THEM. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE A VERY SMALL AMOUNT. 
          BUT WHAT THIS IS GONNA DO IS YOUR LARGE POWER USERS ARE GONNA START TO DISTRIBUTE SOME OF THAT DEMAND COST TO THEM. 
          THEY'RE GONNA PAY THEIR CAPACITY CHARGES. 
          RIGHT? YOU HAVE A TOWN RATE RIGHT NOW THAT'S KIND OF A BLEND OF THE TWO. 
          IT USES BASICALLY THE RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES CHARGE AND THE COMMERCIAL ENERGY RATES. 
          AND THERE'S A DISCOUNT FOR TOWN ACCOUNTS. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA KEEP KIND OF THE SAME STRUCTURE. 
          USE THE RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES CHARGE, USE THE COMMERCIAL ENERGY RATE, SAME DISCOUNT. 
          THESE ARE PHASE ONE RATES. 
          THE GOAL IS TO PUT THESE IN PLACE FOR ONE YEAR. 
          WE'LL COME BACK IN ONE YEAR AND TALK AND, AND HOPEFULLY DO A PHASE TWO, UH, REVENUE ADJUSTMENT. 
          AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PHASE TWO RATES AS WELL. 
          TODAY, THIS PHASE ONE RATE GENERATES AN ADDITIONAL 11.8% FOR THE TOWN. 
          NOW YOU SAW A 15.7% DEFICIT NUMBER AVERAGE FOR THE FIVE YEARS. 
          THAT GETS WORSE, THAT GETS LARGER AS YOU GO BECAUSE YOUR EXPENSES ARE EXPECTED TO GO UP EACH YEAR. 
          RIGHT NOW, 11.8% HELPS YOU COVER EXPENSES. 
          THIS YEAR WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE SOME OF THOSE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES TO TRY AND LESSEN THE IMPACT YEAR ONE ON YOUR CONSUMERS SO THAT IT'S A PHASED IN APPROACH. 
          AND WE MAKE GET AS, AS LOW AS POSSIBLE TO STILL COVER EXPENSES. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          THE REMAINING EXPENSES, THAT'S $600,000 THAT'S GONNA BE COVERED WITH THOSE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES. 
          JUST FOR YEAR ONE. 
          THIS IS A UTILITY RATE COMPARISON. 
          I KNOW WE JUST TALKED ABOUT INCREASING YOUR RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES CHARGE FROM EIGHT 50 TO $25 RIGHT NOW. 
          THE ORANGE AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THIS SHEET ARE YOUR CURRENT RATES. 
          YOUR AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL USER IS A 1,126 KILOWATT HOUR HOME. 
          THAT'S THEIR AVERAGE MONTHLY USAGE. 
          THEIR AVERAGE BILL RIGHT NOW IS $128. 
          THAT SAME CONSUMER ON HANOCK ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE SYSTEM WOULD PAY $186 TODAY. 
          THEY'D PAY $174. 
          IF THEY WERE IN COAL PEPPER, THEY'D PAY $166 ON SHIN VALLEY. 
          THEY'D PAY $161 IF THEY WERE PART OF NOVEC. 
          OUR RECOMMENDED PHASE ONE RATE INCREASES THAT COLLECTION 
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TO $146. 
          YES. 
          THAT IS $18 PER MONTH PER RESIDENTIAL CONSUMER. 
          YES. 
          THAT IS STILL LOWER THAN ALL OF YOUR STILL THE LOWEST ONE IN THE REGION. 
          STILL THE LOWEST ONE IN THE REGION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND CARRIE, WHAT'D YOU SAY? WE'RE THIRD WILL BE THE THIRD LOWEST. 
          SO RIGHT NOW YOU ARE THE LOWEST IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. 
          CORRECT. 
          YOU WILL BE THE THIRD LOWEST WITH PHASE ONE RATES. 
          WHO'S ONE AND TWO? UH, HARRISONBURG, HELTON, HARRISON, MARINE HARRISON. 
          DID THEY HAVE THEIR OWN HARRISONBURG? UM, SO THEY'RE ON A FIXED, SO THEY BUY STRAIGHT FROM DOMINION POWER. 
          UM, AND THEY, I DO KNOW THEIR RATES WILL BE CHARGED. 
          ARE WE CHANGING? BUT YEAH. 
          BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, AS OF RIGHT NOW, BELT SOME SKI SLOPES OR MESS . 
          THAT'S SUN VALLEY. 
          SO THIS, THIS PUTS INTO PERSPECTIVE, THIS GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT TO THE RATE INCREASE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU GUYS ARE THE CHEAPEST AROUND AND YOU JUST, YOU, YOU JUST CAN'T KEEP AT THIS LEVEL AND COVER YOUR EXPENSES. 
          RATE CHANGES FOR PHASE TWO. 
          SO THIS IS GONNA BREAK OUT. 
          I PUT THE MONTHLY CONSUMERS ON THE LEFT SIDE. 
          THIS IS GONNA BREAK OUT THOSE MAIN STREET BUSINESSES, RIGHT? THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THIS SMALL GENERAL SERVICE, THIS, UH, SECOND ROW HERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THEIR FACILITY CHARGE IS GONNA STAY AT $40 AND REACH TWO. 
          WE'VE ASKED THEM TO GO UP TO $40. 
          NOW THAT'S THE LONG TERM. 
          THAT'S WHERE THEY SHOULD BE LONG TERM. 
          THE GOAL WITH PHASE TWO RATES IS THAT IF YOU SET THESE TO PHASE TWO AND OUR FORECAST ARE ACCURATE, THIS SHOULD BE THE LONG TERM RATE FOR THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD. 
          IF, IF WE'VE DONE OUR JOB CORRECTLY, IF POWER COST STAYS SOMEWHAT STABLE, THIS SHOULD BE THE, THESE SHOULD BE THE RATES FOR THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD. 
          SO RESIDENTIAL, THAT ENERGY CHARGE GOES UP SLIGHTLY. 
          PHASE ONE WAS 10.75 CENTS GOES UP SLIGHTLY TO 11 CENTS. 
          DOESN'T CHANGE MUCH. 
          UH, FACILITIES CHARGE STILL 25 AND SMALL GENERAL SERVICE. 
          THEY GET A LOW FACILITY CHARGE, BUT THEY GET A HIGHER ENERGY RATE THAT CAPTURES THEIR ENERGY USAGE AND THEIR SMALL DEMAND USAGE. 
          THE MEDIUM GENERAL SERVICE, THESE ARE RESTAURANTS, THESE ARE SOME OF YOUR BIG BOX STORES. 
          THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, OTHER LARGER BUSINESSES. 
          UM, A LOT OF THESE HAVE MOTOR LOADS OR LARGE WAREHOUSE TYPE FACILITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT REQUIRE A LOT OF HEATING AND AIR THAT, THAT PUSHES THAT DEMAND USAGE UP. 
          THEY MAY NOT HAVE A TON OF ENERGY USAGE, THEY MAY NOT USE A LOT OF POWER OVERALL, BUT THEY DO HAVE THOSE INSTANTANEOUS DEMAND THINGS LIKE MOTORS, LIKE HEATING AND AIR THAT FIRE UP. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE DO IS WE CHARGE THEM A HIGHER FACILITIES CHARGE. 
          THEY HAVE A HIGHER CAPACITY. 
          SO THEY GET LARGER METERS, THEY GET LARGER TRANSFORMERS, THEY USE MORE OF YOUR TOWN'S CAPACITY. 
          SO THEY GET A LARGER FIXED CHARGE THERE. 
          THE ENERGY CHARGE IS LOWER BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY COSTS YOU LESS TO PROVIDE THEM ENERGY. 
          AND WE BREAK OUT THEIR DEMAND SEPARATELY. 
          SO WHEREAS SMALL GENERAL GETS A, AN ENERGY AND A DEMAND CHARGE SMUSHED TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE SO SMALL, WE DON'T METER A LOT OF DEMAND FOR THOSE GUYS. 
          UH, MEDIUM GETS A SEPARATE DEMAND CHARGE. 
          THAT'S WHY THEIR ENERGY STAYS LOW. 
          LARGE IS THE SAME WAY. 
          YOU ONLY HAVE 15 USERS WHO ARE OVER 250 KW. 
          UH, I KNOW THAT YOUR HOSPITAL IS THERE. 
          THEY HAVE A COUPLE METERS THAT ARE OVER THAT. 
          UM, THEY GET A, THE, THE LOWEST ENERGY CHARGE AGAIN BECAUSE THEY'RE BREAKING OUT THEIR DEMAND CHARGE. 
          SO WE'RE ASKING 'EM FOR $15. 
          THAT HELPS COVER YOUR DEMAND COST ON YOUR WHOLESALE POWER SITE. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS, IT'S JUST WE ARE BREAKING OUT COSTS, WE'RE PUTTING 'EM IN BUCKETS. 
          WE'RE SAYING FIXED COSTS, VARIABLE COSTS OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD BASED ON EXPECTED USAGE. 
          THIS IS HOW YOU RECOVER THOSE REVENUES EXACTLY AS THEY'RE INCURRED BY YOUR CONSUMERS. 
          CAN YOU GO BACK AND JUST MM-HMM . 
          A LITTLE BIT, TALK ABOUT WHAT KEEPS IT STABLE FOR FIVE YEARS. 
          LIKE DOES THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT FOR, DOES THAT MEAN NO MORE HOUSES? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT STABILITY? YEP. 
          NO, OUR, OUR FORECAST. 
          NO, NO. 
          OUR FORECAST HAS SOME, SOME LOW GROWTH IN YOUR TOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE HAVE, UH, EXPENSE GROWTH, RIGHT. 
          GENERAL ECONOMIC INFLATION, WHOLESALE POWER COSTS GOING UP, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          STABILITY. 
          STABILITY IS ACHIEVED BECAUSE THE RATES MATCH THE WAY THE POWER IS USED. 
          AND LET ME EXPLAIN. 
          WE FORECAST FIXED CHARGES. 
          WE THINK THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER. 
          WE KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OVER FIVE YEARS. 
          THAT'S EASY TO DIVIDE BY THE NUMBER OF CONSUMERS IN EACH CLASS AND RECOVER THAT MONEY BACK. 
          IF WE SET THE ENERGY CHARGE CORRECTLY BASED ON YOUR CURRENT WHOLESALE POWER RATES, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU USE MORE POWER 
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OR LESS POWER, YOU ALSO PAY FOR MORE POWER OR LESS POWER ON THE WHOLESALE SIDE FROM AMP. 
          SO A PROPERLY DESIGNED RATE, YOU'RE PASSING THROUGH THOSE VARIABLE COSTS TO YOUR CONSUMERS. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE STABILITY COMES FROM. 
          UNLESS AMP COMES IN AND SAYS WE'RE GONNA RAISE YOUR RATES BY 25%, YOU KNOW, WHICH YOU NEVER KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE PCA AS WELL TO HELP CAPTURE THOSE UNEXPECTED WHOLESALE POWER COSTS. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          CURRENTLY ALL COMMERCIAL ARE PAYING JUST THE FLAT $20 FACILITIES CHARGE, CORRECT? YES. 
          YES. 
          ALL OF THOSE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS ARE ON THE SAME RATE RIGHT NOW. 
          I KNOW YOU USED THE HOSPITAL AS AN EXAMPLE FOR A LARGE GENERAL SERVICE. 
          WHAT ARE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL FOR LARGE? ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO THAT? ARE WE WE'RE PROBABLY NOT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE TALK ABOUT, I WAS GONNA SAY I KNOW THAT I, I, I KNOW, I KNOW WHEN I TALK SCHOOLS, OKAY. 
          THINGS THAT WE AT THAT'S GENERIC  AND THERE'S ONLY 15 ACCOUNTS THAT QUALIFY FOR THAT RATE, 15 ACCOUNTS, 15 ACCOUNTS THAT, THAT ARE OVER 250 KW. 
          AND THESE ARE PRETTY COMMON. 
          THESE, IF, IF YOU SEE THE CATEGORY BREAKDOWN LESS THAN 30 KW FOR SMALL GENERAL, AT THE TYPICAL UTILITY RATE, THEY DON'T GET A DEMAND RATE. 
          IT, IT GROUPS ALL OF YOUR MAIN STREET BUSINESSES. 
          IT GROUPS YOUR MOM AND POPS, YOUR SMALL STORES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          MEDIUM GOES UP TO TWO 50. 
          ANYBODY OVER THAT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, A A LARGER, A LARGER UTILITY, A LARGER CITY WOULD HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL RATE ON TOP OF THIS. 
          THAT WOULD BE A SEVEN 50 OR A THOUSAND KW USER. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY LIKE THAT. 
          I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION OUT LOUD THAT I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T THAT I'M GOING TO ANYWAY. 
          SO IF A SCHOOL WOULD BE LIKE A LARGE GENERAL SERVICE RIGHT. 
          AND THEY WERE $20 FACILITY CHARGE MM-HMM . 
          AND THEY'RE GONNA GO TO 350 MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, WELL WE BETTER BE BORN IN THE SCHOOLS. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE, THAT THAT FACILITIES CHARGE IS ONLY PART OF THE RATE NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S ONLY PART OF THE RATE. 
          THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING UP MORE THAN, THEY'RE NOT GOING UP EXORBITANTLY MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE. 
          YOU'RE ASKING ALL YOUR, ALL YOUR CONSUMERS TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE PAY LESS. 
          THEY'RE GONNA PAY MUCH LESS ON ENERGY. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING THEY'RE DOING THEIR BUDGET RIGHT NOW, JUST LIKE WE ARE. 
          AND, AND I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU THESES, IT'LL BE LIKE TIPPING FEE GATE. 
          YEAH, YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          I JUST DON'T WANT, THIS IS PHASE TWO. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, THIS IS PHASE ONE. 
          THAT BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION. 
          WHAT I, OBVIOUSLY, THIS ISN'T MY WHEELHOUSE, BUT WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF MAKING PHASE TWO, PHASE ONE. 
          WHAT'S THE PURPOSE IN DOING IT THE OTHER WAY? 'CAUSE IT'S EASIER. 
          THE, THE PURPOSE. 
          IT, IT CAN BE EASIER FROM A BILLING PERSPECTIVE TO EASE INTO IT. 
          IT ALSO HELPS YOUR CONSUMERS EASE INTO IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          THAT CUSTOMERS IT. 
          WELL, I JUST FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE A, WE CAN'T IMPLEMENT PHASE TWO RIGHT NOW IF THAT'S THE WAY WE WANT TO GO. 
          I STRAIGHT DO IT. 
          YOU CAN SET IT TODAY AND SET IT AND FORGET IT. 
          . 
          WELL, MY THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT FOR COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC IS IF YOU HAVE A LARGER SERVICE, YOU SHOULD BE PAYING A DIFFERENT CHARGE THAN RESIDENTIAL. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND SO MY THOUGHT IS, WHILE I UNDERSTAND EASING INTO IT, LIKE THAT'S WHAT'S RIGHT IN MY OPINION. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS LIKE TO ME IS MAKE IT FAIR. 
          START NOW AND WAIT A YEAR. 
          START WITH WHAT THAT'S, YOU'RE SAYING INSTEAD OF A, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS WOULD BE A LARGER PORTION OF WRITING THE S**T, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          WOULD IT BE, WOULD IT NEED TO BE AS HIGH THOUGH IF WE STARTED WITH PHASE TWO FIRST? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PHASE ONE WAS LIKE, IT'S GONNA BE THIS MUCH, BUT THEN PHASE TWO WILL LAST FOR THE NEXT FOUR OF THOSE FIVE YEARS. 
          SO IF WE JUMPED INTO PHASE TWO RIGHT AWAY YEAH. 
          AND MAY I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU HOW OUR PROCESS WENT. 
          PHASE TWO WAS, YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THE FIVE YEAR RATE, THIS IS WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          UHHUH, THERE WAS CONCERN FROM STAFF ABOUT THE IMPACTS ON SOME OF YOUR . 
          OH YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE HEAT. 
          AND SO, SO THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS IF WE EASE INTO IT, IF WE DO A LOWER INCREASE YEAR ONE, USE SOME OF THOSE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES TO BRIDGE THE GAP, THE IDEA GOING FORWARD IS THAT THOSE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES WILL HELP REFILL YOUR RESERVES THAT YOU'VE BEEN DRAINING. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF THE MARGIN ON TOP RIGHT NOW TO TRY AND TRY AND HELP REFILL RESERVES SO THAT YOU HAVE YOUR OPERATING MARGINS. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN PHASE TWO RATES ARE IT LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S THE IDEAL. 
          THAT'S WHAT, IF I'M OPERATING A HOSPITAL VERSUS A RESTAURANT ON MAIN STREET, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY, THE HOSPITAL SHOULD BE PAYING A LARGER FACILITIES CHARGE THEN THE RESTAURANT ON MAIN STREET. 
          SO DO YOU, I LITERALLY WROTE DOWN 
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BASE, I KNOW YOU SHOWED US THE OTHER THING, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL LIKE NOW AND WHAT IT WOULD BE WITH THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATIONS OF WHAT THAT, IS THAT THE NEXT SLIDE FOR COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YEAH, I CAN GIVE YOU, I CAN GIVE YOU OVERALL PERCENTAGES FOR PHASE TWO RATES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, IF I BREAK DOWN YOUR CLASSES AND I SAY HERE'S WHAT COSTS TO SERVE, HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE COLLECTING FROM THEM. 
          THEY ARE NOT ALL EQUAL, RIGHT? ONE CLASS IS OVER, I DON'T WANNA SAY OVERPAYING. 
          EVERYONE'S UNDERPAYING RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU NEED MORE COLLECTION FROM EVERYBODY. 
          ONE CLASS IS UNDERPAYING A LITTLE BIT. 
          ONE CLASS IS UNDERPAYING MORE AND A PART, A LOT OF THAT GOES BACK TO ALL OF YOUR COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS ARE ON THE SAME RATE. 
          RIGHT NOW, THE MOM AND POP IS PAYING THE SAME RATE AS THE, THE LARGE HOSPITAL USER. 
          NOW THEIR BILLS ARE VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE THAT LARGE HOSPITAL USES A LOT MORE POWER. 
          BUT THOSE FIXED CHARGES ARE BEING APPORTIONED TO EACH COMMERCIAL ACCOUNT THE SAME RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT WE WANT TO FIX WITH BREAKING OUT THESE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS ARE THOSE FACILITIES CHARGES, THE DEMAND CHARGES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN SEE RESIDENTIAL, THIS IS PHASE TWO, THIS IS THE FIVE YEAR IMPACT. 
          UH, THAT WOULD BE A 13.8% INCREASE ON RESIDENTIAL. 
          THAT MEANS THAT OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD AVERAGED OVER THE FIVE YEARS, YOU, YOU'D COLLECT ABOUT 14% MORE REVENUE FROM YOUR RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS THAN YOU ARE CURRENTLY TODAY. 
          SMALL GENERAL SERVICE, 28%. 
          NOW, RIGHT NOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THOSE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS STUCK TOGETHER? YES, THE FIXED CHARGES ARE BEING SPREAD OUT TO EVERYBODY, BUT THE ENERGY CHARGES ARE BEING PUSHED ONTO THE LARGE USERS. 
          SO WE LOOK AT SOMETHING CALLED, UM, LOAD FACTOR AND IT TELLS THE UTILITY HOW CONSISTENT ENERGY USAGE IS FOR EACH CUSTOMER. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A RATIO OF YOUR, YOUR ENERGY USAGE AND YOUR DEMAND USAGE. 
          THAT ONE TIME USAGE SPIKES UP THE DEMAND, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE AN ONGOING THING. 
          DIFFERENT LOAD FACTORS USE POWER IN DIFFERENT RATE IN DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, YOUR SMALL GENERAL SERVICE, THOSE MOM AND POP, THOSE MAIN STREETS, UNFORTUNATELY ARE SEVERELY UNDERPAYING WHAT IT COSTS TO SERVE THEM. 
          BECAUSE A LOT OF IT IS BECAUSE THAT FACILITY'S CHARGE IS SO LOW, IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF WHAT THE COST OF SERVICE SAYS. 
          UM, SO PHASE TWO RATES WOULD ASK FOR 28% MORE FROM THOSE SMALL GENERAL SERVICE, 24% FROM YOUR MEDIUM AND 8% FROM YOUR LARGE. 
          RIGHT NOW, YOUR LARGE GENERAL SERVICE, THOSE 15 ACCOUNTS ARE CARRYING THE BULK OF THE COST FOR YOUR COMMERCIALS. 
          SO WE MAKING, WE'D BE MAKING THAT FAIR TOO. 
          YOU'D BE MAKING THAT FAIR. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST THINK ABOUT THAT SMALL, LIKE SMALL GENERAL SERVICE. 
          LIKE I, IT, I MEAN IT IS TOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR JOB TO TELL US WHY IT'S GOING UP. 
          YOU'RE JUST TELLING US HOW TO MAKE IT. 
          IT IS MY JOB. 
          IT'S MY JOB TO EXPLAIN THE, IT'S MY JOB TO EXPLAIN THE METHODS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NUMBERS ON A PAPER AND RATES ON PAPER VERSUS A POLITICAL AND A, A COMMUNITY IMPACT. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS A DECISION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO MAKE. 
          UM, WELL WAIT, IT'S, I MEAN YEAH, IT'S A DECISION, BUT THE DECISION, IT'S REALLY NOT A DECISION. 
          I MEAN WE CAN'T KEEP NOT COLLECTING ENOUGH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS. 
          IT'S A COMMON THEME WITH THE TRASH. 
          THAT'S ALL THE WASTE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          I MEAN, STUFF WENT UP. 
          I MEAN, WE EITHER HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TIMES, DECREASE OUR SERVICES OR STAY WHERE WE ARE. 
          AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THIS IS NOT ONE THAT WE CAN JUST, I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE SHIPPED OFF A FEW OF THE SERVICES WITH SOLID WASTE, BUT THIS, THERE ISN'T, YOU'RE EITHER GETTING ELECTRICITY OR NOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO BACK TO YOUR, BACK TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHY PHASE ONE, THAT 28% IS A BIG DRIVER OF IT. 
          PHASE ONE ONLY ASKS FOR 11.8% FROM ALL YOUR COMMERCIALS ON AVERAGE. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA FOR ONE YEAR, ONE YEAR FOR ONE YEAR. 
          THE NEXT YEAR IT WOULD GO UP. 
          NEXT YEAR WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOOK TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE PHASE TWO FROM THE POINT OF MM-HMM . 
          YOU PUT IN EFFECT NEXT MONTH IN MARCH OR NEXT YEAR. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THIS PART OF IT. 
          'CAUSE IF I DIDN'T, IF I WASN'T HERE LISTENING TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND I JUST LOOKED AT THOSE NUMBERS, I WOULD SAY, WELL, THE SMALL BUSINESSES ARE GONNA GET HURT THE MOST. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          BUT WHAT YOU'VE, WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, HOW I INTERPRETED, SO TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT THE LARGE GENERAL SERVICE CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN BASICALLY SUBSIDIZING ABSOLUTELY. 
          THE SMALL AND MEDIUM SERVICE AND NOT JUST LARGE YOUR RESIDENTIAL 
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CONSUMERS TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          EVERYBODY WHO HAS AN INCREASE THAT'S LESS THAN 28% MM-HMM . 
          HAS BEEN PAYING PART OF THAT 28%. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU'VE BEEN SPREADING THOSE COSTS OUT TO ALL YOUR OTHER CONSUMERS. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO YOU, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT. 
          AND, AND THERE IS A COMMUNITY AND A POLITICAL SIDE. 
          AND IF AS A COUNCIL, AS A TOWN, YOU WANT TO HELP INCENTIVIZE THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES, THERE'S A WORLD WHERE WE DON'T GO UP 28% ON RATES, BUT YOU'RE GONNA ASK IT FROM SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE POLITICAL SITUATION, RIGHT? LIKE IF WE KNOW, WE KNOW FROM A UTILITY PERSPECTIVE YOU NEED X NUMBER OF DOLLARS. 
          WHERE, WHERE DO YOU PUT IT? THIS IS THE FAIR SOLUTION AND THE TOWN SERVICE IS OUR BUILDINGS RIGHT OUT THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          ABOUT 60 METERS. 
          AND WHILE YES, THAT ONE'S NOT GOING UP AS MUCH. 
          IF IT WENT UP, IT WOULD JUST BE THE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD JUST COME BACK ON THE TAXPAYERS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND TO BE FAIR, TO BE FAIR TOWN COLLECTION RIGHT NOW ALMOST MATCHES YOUR EXPENSES. 
          I MEAN THAT RATE THE WAY, THE WAY THE TOWN BUILDINGS USE POWER, LIKE I TALKED ABOUT LOAD FACTOR, YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD LOAD FACTOR. 
          'CAUSE BASICALLY ALL YOU'RE RUNNING ARE, ARE LIGHTS AND HEATING AND AIR, YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU'RE, AND IT IS ON A COMMERCIAL ISH RATE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO IT'S COLLECTING POWER. 
          I MEAN IT'S COLLECTING REVENUE AT A HIGHER AMOUNT THAN YOUR, THAN YOUR RESIDENTIALS. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH YOUR THEORY IS SOME OF OUR LARGE GENERAL SERVICES ARE NOT PAYING TAXES. 
          SO IT'S NOT FALLING BACK ON THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          NO ONE PROTECT SO THEY'RE PAYING LESS AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING TAXES. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO LEGALLY INCREASE SERVICE FOR JUST THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T PAY TAXES? THAT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. 
          NOT RHETORICAL . 
          COULD WE LOOK INTO THAT? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          SO THE IDEA BEHIND PHASE TWO RATES IS YOU, YOU GENERATE $115 MILLION WORTH OF REVENUE OF THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THAT ALMOST EXACTLY MATCHES THE PROJECTED EXPENSES. 
          THAT'S OVER THE PERIOD OF FIVE, OVER THE PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS. 
          YEP. 
          SO, AND THAT MATCHES YOUR FIVE YEAR COLLECTIONS. 
          AND THEN THOSE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES HOPEFULLY ARE STEADY GOING FORWARD, WILL REPLENISH THAT THOSE RESERVES BY TWO AND A HALF TO $3 MILLION. 
          THE REALITY IS THAT MILLION PLUS THAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING CURRENTLY IS BEING SUBSIDIZED THROUGH TAXPAYER FUNDS. 
          CORRECT? NO, THE ENTERPRISE, THE ENTERPRISE IS DIFFERENT. 
          YEAH. 
          ENTERPRISE RESERVE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT CAME, IT CAME FROM THE ENERGY CUSTOMERS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, UH, SO, AND THIS IS, THIS ISN'T YOU, BUT LIKE WHEN OTHERS HAVE COME AND TALKED TO US ABOUT WHERE WE BUY AND HOW WE BUY AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I FELT LIKE I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA, THAT THE, THAT WHAT WE WERE BUYING, IT WAS COSTING US THAT MUCH MORE. 
          BUT I GUESS MAYBE IF WE HAVEN'T BEEN, IF OUR RATES HAVEN'T BEEN HIGH ENOUGH FOR A WHILE, THAT'S WHAT'S IMPACTING IT. 
          AND OUR CONGESTION CHARGES HAS GONE UP. 
          I'M SORRY, CONGESTION CHARGES HAVE GONE UP. 
          AND WHAT ARE OUR CONGESTION CHARGES? CAN YOU WHAT IT COST TO GET THE POWER TO, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT WAS ACROSS, THAT'S ACROSS BOARD. 
          IT'S ALL PJM. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S EVERYBODY. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE INDIANA. 
          SO THIS STAKE INTO ACCOUNT, THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT TRANSMISSION FEES, THE TOLL LINES. 
          CORRECT. 
          THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT CONTINUING TO INCREASE TOO. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER OPERATION. 
          IT'S THE CONGESTION CHARGE. 
          IT'S GONNA INCREASE. 
          SO THE TRANSMISSION CHARGE IN OUR ZONE THAT WE'RE IN CURRENTLY WE'RE IN THE A PF ZONE. 
          UH, WE STRICTLY PAY THE MAINTENANCE FEES. 
          SO IT'S JUST LIKE TIME AND MATERIAL CHARGE FOR OUR TRANSMISSION SYSTEM. 
          THE TRANSMISSION CAPACITY CHARGES IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING HAMMERED WITH RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE LOAD DEMAND THAT'S BEING, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT IT IS. 
          SO IN PHASE TWO, IF WE GO WITH THESE SUGGESTIONS, THIS IS TAKEN INTO CON CONSIDERATION OF FLUCTUATING RATES AND OTHER EXPENSES. 
          THIS TAKES INTO, THIS TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION A BASED WHOLESALE POWER COST THAT'S BASED ON CURRENT HISTORICAL COST. 
          IF, IF THAT FLUCTUATES WILDLY, THAT PCA IS THERE TO HELP CAPTURE IT, BUT THAT'LL JUST BE A PASS THROUGH COST AND IT'LL ONLY HAPPEN IF THE UTILITY PAYS IT. 
          DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE PCA? SORRY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE, UH, THE WIDE RANGE BETWEEN ON THE MEDIUM 
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GENERAL SERVICE, THE WIDE RANGE OF KILOWATT HOURS FOR WHICH THOSE USERS, IF, IF I USE 31 KILOWATT HOURS, I'M PAYING AN $85 CHARGE. 
          SO IF I, IF I USE 249 KILOWATT HOURS, I'M PAYING AN $85 SELLING CHARGE. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S DEFINITELY, IT'S DEFINITELY AN AVERAGE COST. 
          IT'S, IT IS AN AVERAGE COST FOR THE WHOLE RANGE. 
          BUT THAT 30 KILOWATT, THAT 30 KILOWATT THRESHOLD FOR SMALL GENERAL HELPS KEEP ALL MOM AND POP MAIN STREET REGULAR BUSINESSES IN THAT SMALL GENERAL RANGE. 
          NOBODY IN THAT GROUP IS USING OVER 30 KW A MONTH. 
          AND EVEN IF IT HAPPENED ONE MONTH, YOU WOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY GO TO THE MEDIUM. 
          THERE'S A DISCLAIMER ON ONE OF THOSE SLIDES THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HIT THAT, YOU HAVE TO HIT THAT THRESHOLD FOR THREE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR IN ORDER TO GO. 
          SO ONE TIME, ONE MONTH, TWO MONTHS OF HIGH USAGE WON'T QUALIFY. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE A, YOU HAVE TO CONSISTENTLY HIT THAT THRESHOLD. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT, AND IT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GUIDELINE. 
          IT'S UP TO THE, THE DISCRETION OF THE TOWN OF THE UTILITY IF A USER ACTUALLY QUALIFIES FOR THAT RATE OR NOT. 
          SO, AND IF YOUR, IF YOUR USAGE DECREASE, IF, IF YOU END UP ON A, A HIGHER DEMAND RATE, THE UTILITY, THE, THE CONSUMER, YOU, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE TIME OF USE RATE. 
          A LOT OF, A LOT OF IOUS GO TO RESIDENTIAL TIME OF USE RATE WHERE YOU HAVE ON PEAK AND OFF PEAK BASICALLY SAYING IF YOU CAN REDUCE YOUR DEMAND DURING OUR HIGH PEAK TIMES, WE'LL GIVE YOU A BREAK ON YOUR POWER BECAUSE IT HELPS SAVE THE UTILITY MONEY EACH, EACH COMMERCIAL CONSUMER HAS THE OPTION TO TRY AND REDUCE THEIR DEMAND. 
          DO YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF MOTORS? YOU COME IN, YOU, YOU GOT A SMALL AUTOMOTIVE SHOP, YOU COME IN, YOU FIRE UP ALL YOUR MOTORS AT ONE TIME, SPACE 'EM OUT SPACE 'EM OUT IN 15 MINUTE INTERVALS. 
          YOU REDUCE YOUR DEMAND CHARGE, YOU HELP THE UTILITY SAVE COSTS, WE'LL SAVE YOU COST. 
          YEAH. 
          WE TRIED SOMETHING LIKE THAT LAST JANUARY WHERE WE SENT AN EMAIL OUT AND ENCOURAGED PEOPLE. 
          DIDN'T GO WELL TO A PARTICULAR, REMEMBER THAT LIKE, OH, DURING THIS TIME. 
          AND YEAH, PEOPLE JUST CAME BACK WITH HOW DARE THEY TELL US MEANWHILE, , LIKE WE ARE FORCED. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE, AND I, AND I THINK FOR THE RESIDENTIAL CONSUMER, THEY DON'T SEE A DIRECT BENEFIT ON THEIR BILL. 
          YOU'RE ASKING THEM FOR HELP, BUT YOU'RE NOT GIVING THEM A DIRECT HELP. 
          THERE ARE PROGRAMS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE, UM, ANY SWITCHES OR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. 
          SOME UTILITIES DO SWITCHES FOR HVAC, THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE THEY'LL CUT IT, THEY'LL CUT YOUR HVAC OFF FOR A 15 MINUTE PERIOD. 
          MOST RESIDENTIAL CONSUMERS WOULD NOT NOTICE IT. 
          BUT DURING PEAK DEMAND, IF YOU PUT A SWITCH ON YOUR HVAC, YOUR WATER HEATER, YOUR AIR CONDITIONER AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND YOU ALLOW THE UTILITY TO CONTROL THAT USAGE A LITTLE BIT, CUT IT BY 15 MINUTES, IT CAN REDUCE UTILITY DEMAND AND YOU GIVE THEM A CREDIT ON THEIR BILL. 
          YOU'LL SAY, IF YOU, IF YOU LET US PUT THIS SWITCH ON THERE, WHETHER WE USE IT OR NOT, WE'LL GIVE YOU $10 A MONTH. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT. 
          WE DON'T THAT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, I'M JUST, IT PHILOSOPHICALLY, PHILOSOPHICALLY COMES THERE ARE, THAT COMES WITH THAT A A MI. 
          BUT PHILOSOPHICALLY, IF YOU HAD THAT ON, IF A UTILITY HAD THAT ON THEIR SYSTEM, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO SEND OUT THAT TEXT. 
          RIGHT? YES SIR. 
          THEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY DO THAT FOR YOU. 
          AND HOPEFULLY IF IT'S DONE CORRECTLY, THE RESIDENTIAL USER DOESN'T REALLY NOTICE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT PCA BRIEFLY. 
          WE'RE ALMOST DONE. 
          UM, SO THE IDEAL POWER COST ADJUSTMENT SHOULD BE A BACKWARD LOOKING ADJUSTMENT. 
          YOU SHOULD LOOK AT ACTUAL COLLECTIONS, ACTUAL REVENUES, ACTUAL COSTS, AND ADJUST THE RATE TO CAPTURE THOSE MISSING COSTS OR TO RETURN EXTRA REVENUE THAT YOU'VE COLLECTED OVER YOUR POWER COSTS. 
          IT SHOULD BE AN UP AND A DOWN THING. 
          IT SHOULD NOT JUST BE AN EXTRA ITEM ON YOUR BILL TO MAKE MORE MONEY. 
          IT SHOULD BE A MECHANISM TO ADJUST ACTUAL POWER COSTS. 
          SO WE'LL USE HISTORICAL DATA, COMPARE POWER COST EXPENSES TO THE REVENUES THAT YOU'VE ALREADY RECOVERED IN YOUR BASE RATES. 
          SO PHASE TWO RATES HAVE A BASE POWER COST RATE OF ABOUT 9 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR FOR, FOR ALL CONSUMERS. 
          THAT'S 9 CENTS ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          SO IF YOU PAY MORE THAN 9 CENTS FOR POWER COSTS, WE HAVE A FORMULA THAT LOOKS AT TOTAL PURCHASE POWER DIVIDED BY KWH SALES. 
          THAT GIVES YOU A CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR. 
          IF THAT'S A ABOVE NINE, THAT PCA IS GONNA BE A POSITIVE NUMBER ON THE BILL. 
          YOU'RE GONNA ASK FOR A LITTLE MORE FROM YOUR CONSUMERS. 
          IF YOUR ACTUAL POWER COST IS BELOW 9 CENTS, YOU'RE GONNA CREDIT YOUR CONSUMERS. 
          YOU'RE GONNA SAY, WE COLLECTED TOO MUCH ENERGY COSTS FROM YOU. 
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WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACK IN THIS NEXT MONTH, IN THIS NEXT SIX MONTH PERIOD. 
          SO THE IDEA IT'S GONNA, IT IS GOING TO BE UPDATED EVERY SIX MONTHS. 
          THE FIRST PCA RATE, WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT PHASE ONE RATES IS GONNA BE BASED ON SIX MONTHS. 
          BUT BASICALLY WE'RE TRYING TO RESET IT TO ZERO. 
          WE WANT IT TO BE REVENUE NEUTRAL AND THEN EVERY SIX MONTHS IN SHOULDER MONTHS SO THAT IT'S NOT A BIG SWING ON THE BILL. 
          RIGHT. 
          THOSE ARE LOWER COLLECTIONS ENERGY, UH, ENERGY AND REVENUE WISE. 
          ANYWAY. 
          THAT WOULD BE WHAT, MARCH OR APRIL TIMEFRAME AND AROUND OCTOBER TIMEFRAME. 
          UM, YOU'LL LOOK AT THE LAST SIX MONTHS, YOU'LL LOOK AT IF YOU WERE OVER OR UNDER THAT BASE REVENUE, IF YOU'LL SET YOUR PCA THAT WAY AND HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY YOUR REVENUE NEUTRAL. 
          AND IT CAN BE AS CLOSE TO ZERO AS POSSIBLE. 
          BUT THAT'S THE MECHANISM THAT IF AMP SAYS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CONGESTION CHARGES THIS PEAK PERIOD, WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, WE NEED AN EXTRA 10% FROM YOU. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S GOTTA BE A PASS THROUGH COST TO CONSUMERS. 
          IF, IF POWER COST IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS LOWER THAN EXPECTED, THAT'S A, THAT'S A RETURN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS. 
          OUR CURRENT FORMULA DOESN'T HAVE THAT REVERSE OPTION. 
           AND THE CURRENT FORMULA GOT SET IN THE CURRENT RATE GOT SET IN 2022. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          AND IT HASN'T CHANGED SINCE THEN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO PCA SHOULD BE A CONSTANTLY UPDATED THING TO LOOK AT ACTUAL COLLECTIONS OVER THE LAST PERIOD. 
          SO. 
          SO IT'S A ROLLING. 
          IT'S A ROLLING. 
          EXACTLY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORMULA THAT R IS BASICALLY THE REMAINDER. 
          SO FROM THE LAST SIX MONTHS WE LOOK AT WHAT THE PCA COLLECTED OR RETURNED AND SEE HOW THAT COMPARED TO ACTUAL. 
          AND WE ROLL THAT OVER AND DO IT AGAIN. 
          WE ROLL IT OVER AND DO IT AGAIN. 
          SO JUST A QUICK RECAP. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT WE REVIEWED TODAY. 
          COST OF SERVICE STUDY LOOKED AT YOUR FINANCIAL HISTORY. 
          WE PROJECTED REVENUES EXPENSES FOR FIVE YEARS WITH YOUR CURRENT RETAIL RATES. 
          YOUR EXPECTED EXPENSES WILL EXCEED EXPECTED REVENUE BY 15.7%. 
          THAT'S THE BASELINE REVENUE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE UP OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD THAT CAN BE TRACED TO RISING POWER COSTS, ECONOMIC INFLATION, AND THOSE SYSTEM MARGIN SHORTFALLS IN, IN PRIOR YEARS WHERE YOU'RE APPROPRIATING FUNDS FROM YOUR RESERVES TO MAKE UP YOUR RATES HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHED SINCE 19, 19, 19 WAS THE LAST RATE ADJUSTMENT. 
          SO SIX, SEVEN YEARS BETWEEN RATE ADJUSTMENTS IS A LONG TIME TO GO, ESPECIALLY THROUGH A COVID PERIOD WHERE WE SAW COSTS GO ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH CURRENT, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION TRENDS, INFLATION POWER COSTS, THE BIG DATA CENTER WORD, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
           THE ELEPHANT. 
          UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. 
          SEVEN YEARS IS A LONG TIME TO, WITHOUT TOUCHING RATES. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT A 12% INCREASE YEAR ONE. 
          AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE DATA CENTERS IN FRONT, ROYAL AND THE COUNCIL HASN'T TALKED TO ANY THIRD THE INDIRECT RESULT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE. 
          AND I JUST, THAT'S A THINK THAT'S THE PART THAT'S NOT, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, WELL, THIS SPRING UP, IT'S UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET THE BENEFIT OF THE DATA CENTER, MONEY TAX, YOU KNOW, INCREASE, YOU KNOW, THE REVENUE FROM IT, BUT IN , BUT OUR PEOPLE ARE HELPING FUND IT FOR THE LOCALITIES THAT ARE GETTING IT. 
          YEP. 
          'CAUSE YOUR POWER SUPPLIER IS, WAS IT, UM, ISN'T THERE, ISN'T THERE SOMETHING AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY RIGHT NOW THOUGH THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT, ISN'T THERE SOME AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A BILL THAT WOULD BASICALLY MAKE THE DATA CENTERS BE MORE ACCOUNTABLE FOR RIGHT. 
          THERE IS. 
          RIGHT? I I, I DON'T THINK I'M MAKING THAT UP. 
          I READ THAT THAT'S BEING DRIVEN BY LIVING VIRGINIA ELECTRIC, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          BECAUSE MAKE IT BE MORE REVENUE NEUTRAL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT, SO THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS NOT THE SAME, THE SAME WAY YOU'RE ASKING YOUR SMALL GENERAL SERVICE TO COVER THEIR OWN CALLS MM-HMM . 
          YEP. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT FROM A, FROM A WHOLESALE PERSPECTIVE, FROM A POWER SUPPLIER PERSPECTIVE, YEP. 
          THE REITERATION WE NEED TO MAKE TO THE PUBLIC IS THAT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO BE REVENUE NEUTRAL. 
          AND THAT'S THE GOAL. 
          WE'RE NOT MAKING MONEY OFF OF THESE CHANGES. 
          WE'RE NOT, AND YOU'RE NOT ASKING ONE CONSUMER TO HELP PAY FOR ANOTHER CONSUMER AND ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE ALWAYS LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S THE THING. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COLLECTING WHAT WE'RE, ARE EXPENSES ARE FOR THE SERVICE, PROVIDING A SERVICE AND YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE COST 
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OF THAT SERVICE. 
          BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN, I'M SORRY, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M SAYING THAT THAT'S, THAT WHEN SHE WAS SAYING THAT THOUGH, LIKE PEOPLE, THE IDEA THAT WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT WE'RE RAISING THE RATES SOMEHOW MAKE MONEY OFF OF THIS. 
          IT'S LITERALLY JUST TO STAY NEUTRAL. 
          AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN, SO WE'RE 1.1 MILLION THE WHOLE THANK GOODNESS FOR OUR RESERVES, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE RESERVES, IT'S 1.1. 
          AS OF FEBRUARY 1ST, IT'LL EVENTUALLY BE 3 MILLION. 
          IF WE DO NOTHING, WELL, IT'LL BE MORE THAN THAT. 
          AFTER JULY MILLION IT'LL BE 15 MILLION. 
          IF YOU DO NOTHING THROUGH 2030, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TOTAL DEFICIT OF IT. 
          THREE. 
          WE DO, WE DO, IF WE LEAVE A LOAN OVER FIVE YEARS, OUR EXPENSES WOULD EXCEED OUR REVENUES BY 15.7%. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          AND, AND YOU HAVE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN BASE REVENUE. 
          SO THAT'S $15.7 MILLION. 
          RIGHT. 
          OVER A DOLLAR. 
          BUT YOU'RE SAYING BY FEBRUARY ONE WE'RE 1.1 MILLION IN THE HOLE? YES. 
          BY THE TIME JUNE 30TH ROLLS AROUND, IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN 1.1. 
          NO, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRACKING RIGHT NOW FOR OH, OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY FOR THE YEARS. 
          THAT MAKES WE'RE JUNE 30TH. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRACKING BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, GEEZ, WE STILL GOT ANOTHER QUARTER TO GET THROUGH. 
          WHEN DID WE INITIATE THIS ELECTRIC COST OF SERVICEING RATE STUDY? SO WE HAD ONE READY TO GO THIS TIME LAST YEAR, AND THEN THE CAPACITY CHARGE HIT US. 
          SO WE HAD TO BACK UP A PUNT AND WE, WE STARTED THIS IN JULY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AUGUST 1ST IS WHEN WE SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH . 
          I JUST, FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO MIGHT PERHAPS WATCH IT READ THE FACTS. 
          IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF DATA CENTER DISCUSSIONS. 
          IT WAS BEFORE THAT EVER BECAME AN YEAH, WE HAD ONE LAST YEAR READY TO GO, AND THEN THE TRANSMISSION CAPACITY CHARGE HIT US AND THAT WENT UP 17%, THEN IT STARTED AUGUST OF 2025. 
          THIS COST OF SERVICE. 
          YES. 
          PRIOR TO ANY OF OUR DISCUSSIONS. 
          SO WE, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED THAT TWO PHASE APPROACH. 
          PHASE ONE, 11.8% INCREASE ON RESIDENTIAL, 11.8% INCREASE ON COMMERCIAL. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH THE INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIONS IN, IN PHASE ONE. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA FOCUS ON WRITING THE REVENUE SHIP OVERALL AND USE THOSE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES TO FUND THE GAP. 
          AND THEN PHASE TWO, WE'LL CREATE THOSE THREE COMMERCIAL CLASSES. 
          THE FINAL ADJUSTMENT WILL INCREASE TOTAL FIVE YEAR REVENUES BY 15.7% TO EXACTLY COLLECT YOUR, YOUR EXPECTED EXPENSES. 
          YOU WILL STILL, YOU WILL STILL, EVEN WITH PHASE TWO RATES HAVE THE LOWEST RATES AMONG THOSE NORTHERN VIRGINIA UTILITIES THAT WE LOOKED ON THAT SLIDE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO WITH THE, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED RATE AT 1 46 0 5 ON THAT AVERAGE BILL, OUR COUNTY NEIGHBORS, THE FOLKS THAT GET THEIR ELECTRIC FROM RAC WOULD BE PAYING 40 TO $40 MORE PER MONTH. 
          YES. 
          ON AN AVERAGE MONTH FOR THE AVERAGE, FOR THE AVERAGE CONSUMER ON YOUR SYSTEM, THEY WOULD PAY $40 MORE A MONTH UNDER R COUNTY'S SVC. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BENTONVILLE, I THINK SBC IS STILL WHAT, $20 DOWNTOWN BENTONVILLE? YEP. 
          DID WE, UM, WE LUMPED INDUSTRIAL IN WITH COMMERCIAL. 
          I GUESS THAT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT. 
          WE JUST DID THAT LAST MONTH. 
          WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE. 
          THEY'LL BE ON THE PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT. 
          THAT'D BE SEPARATE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'D BE ON OUR END RATE. 
          OKAY. 
          IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT THIS PHASE ONE WOULD BE JULY ONE. 
          WE'RE GONNA TRY APRIL 1ST AT THE LATEST. 
          SO WE, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM THIS POINT WOULD BE WE TRY TO GET OUR ORDINANCE TO COUNSEL A WORK SESSION ON THE 2ND OF MARCH. 
          AND IF WE PASS THAT, UH, APRIL 1ST, WE CAN IMPLEMENT THE NEW WRITTEN. 
          SO I'M GONNA ASK COUNSEL IF YOU GUYS ARE READY TO, TO GET THAT ORDINANCE READY OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT I, I JUST, THIS IS FOR ALL PARTIES CONCERNED IN THE TV LAND, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE HAVE A CHOICE. 
          WE'RE LOSING MONEY. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT WASN'T WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS PHASE TWO THREE COMMERCIAL RATE CLASS. 
          I LIKE THE, THE WAY THAT THAT WHAT THE, THE PLACE MAYOR VI ALL IS SAID. 
          UH, I THINK WE'D GO AHEAD STRAIGHT WITH PHASE TWO, YOU KNOW. 
          WELL, I, I, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK MAYBE PHASE TWO FOR A COUPLE OF THOSE USERS, LIKE FOR THE TOWNS, THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE 1%. 
          AND TO WHAT JUST SAID ABOUT THE LARGE ONE, MAYBE DO, MAYBE THE LARGE ONES HIT THOSE GUYS RIGHT OUT, RIGHT OUT 
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THE GATE PERHAPS. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU DIVIDE, CAN YOU DIVIDE UP PHASE ONE AND TWO AND DO IT DIFFERENTLY OR WOULD THAT BE TOO MUCH? WHAT WOULD IT BE ON YOU ALL? MEANING LIKE SOME CUSTOMERS GO RIGHT ONTO PHASE TWO AND SOME CUSTOMERS PHASE ONE. 
          WELL, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU CAN KEEP HAVING THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I WANNA SAY IT BEFORE I FORGET IT. 
          THIS THREE COMMERCIAL GRADE CLASSES, OKAY, FOR ALL OF US WERE HERE WITH THE SOLID WASTE DEAL AND WE CAME OUT AND WE HAD THIS GROUP, REMEMBER IT WAS LIKE IF YOU'RE THIS YEAH, IF YOU'RE THAT, IF YOU'RE THIS AND THEY FLIPPED OUT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MORE THE INCREASE WAS FLIPPED OUT TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAD TO HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS AND I THINK WE EVEN REDUCED SOME OF IT AT, I MEAN Y'ALL, I'M NOT TELLING YOU SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS THAT'S WHAT I WENT WITH THE YEAH, YEAH. 
          I WAS GONNA ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, ALL I WAS SAYING IS, IS THAT I, I'M NOT AGAINST HER. 
          I WASN'T EITHER. 
          IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WASN'T UNDERSTANDING SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE PITCHFORKS. 
          ALL I WAS SAYING IS MY POINT WAS WE NEED TO EDUCATE ALL I, I WANNA LET THE COMMERCIAL MOVE UP IN PAGE TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          I I, I CAN AGREE WITH THAT ONE YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL I WAS SAYING IS THAT OUR COMMERCIAL RATE CLASSES, WE NEED TO BE LETTING THEM KNOW RIGHT NOW, HERE'S THE POTENTIAL. 
          I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY THE REALITY. 
          I MEAN, BUT IT'S THE, WE CAN'T KEEP OPERATING IN THE RED. 
          I MEAN WE JUST CAN'T KEEP OPERATING ON THE RED. 
          BUT I'M SAYING THAT, THAT I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO BE THE SHOCKER THAT IT WAS THE LAST TIME WHEN WE TRIED TO MAKE IT FAIR. 
          I THINK REALISTICALLY ANY AMOUNT OF EDUCATION IMMEDIATE WE PUT OUT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME RESULT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE KILOWATT PER HOUR COST IS GOING DOWN THOUGH, SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA SEE LIKE AN $850 A MONTH INCREASE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE EVERYBODY'S ANTICIPATING HERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. 
          YOU HAD THOSE RESIDENTIAL, LIKE GIVING US AN IDEA, LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL IS ABOUT $20 MORE A MONTH MM-HMM . 
          AND WE DID THAT WHEN WE DID THE SOLID WASTE. 
          THEY WERE LIKE, IT WOULD BE ABOUT THIS MUCH A MONTH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M, I CURIOUS IF THE COMMERCIAL, IF YOU, I CAN CAN'T REALLY KINDA DO THAT. 
          'CAUSE IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH THEY USE. 
          RIGHT? IT DOES DEPEND ON HOW MUCH THEY USE. 
          UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE COULD RUN THE NUMBERS AND GIVE YOU THE AVERAGE USER, BUT A, AS SOMEBODY POINTED OUT THAT 30 TO TWO 50 IS A WIDE RANGE AND, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THE FACILITIES CHARGE ISN'T, IT'S ONLY, IT'S ONLY A PORTION OF THE BILL. 
          MOST OF THE COST COMES FROM ENERGY USAGE. 
          AND SO REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH POWER YOU USE, MOST OF YOUR COST IS JUST A PASS THROUGH FOR KILOWATT HOUR AND KW USAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHO KNOWS, MAYBE GETTING A HIGHER UTILITY BILL SOMETIMES FORCES PEOPLE TO BE LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? AND UP, MAYBE I NEED TO, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED ME LAST MONTH. 
          I WENT UP SO MUCH. 
          I WAS LIKE, Y'ALL BETTER START TO CUT OFF THESE LIGHTS. 
          DON'T LEAVE THAT TV ON. 
          I WENT THE HAMMER DOWN AT OUR HOUSE. 
          THE RESTAURANTS CAN'T DO THAT. 
          WHAT'D YOU SAY? THE RESTAURANTS CAN'T DO THAT. 
          NO, I KNOW. 
          I I'M NOT, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING BUT, BUT MAYBE THERE IS ANOTHER COST SAVING MEASURE THEY'RE USING SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S A, IT DOESN'T, I'M NOT FIGHTING TO PUT PHASE TWO FIRST FROM A STANDARD AVERAGE OLD JOE WHO USES ELECTRICITY AND PAYS THEIR TAXES. 
          I LOOK AT THAT CHART AND I'M LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, WHY ARE WE ALL PAYING THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD? IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          I'M GLAD THAT I HEARD IT REITERATED. 
          THAT IS THE WAY WE'RE JUST DOING IT TO APPEASE THE PUBLIC AND KICK THE CAN. 
          BUT IT'S COMING ONE YEAR FROM NOW WHETHER WE DO IT OR NOT. 
          SECONDLY, I'M IN FAVOR OF YOU IN THE ORDINANCE FORWARD AT THE MARCH 2ND WORK SESSION. 
          HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE IF WE COULD, BJ COULD YOU SEND COUNSEL SOME EXAMPLES OF THE DIFFERENCE IN THE 30 TO 250 JUST SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN GEORGE, IF WE COULD CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE USING IN THAT 250 PLUS WHO DON'T PAY TAXES OR MANY OTHER THINGS, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT THEY CAN PAY A DIFFERENT RATE OR WE CAN SET A RATE FOR FACILITIES FOR THEM RIGHT NOW, I THINK, I THINK BASED ON USAGE YOU COULD CARVE OUT SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO, I KNOW BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH 2ND, I'D BE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT DISCUSSION. 
          IS THE HIGHEST TIER BASED ON COUNCIL'S PREVIOUS? THIS COUNCIL'S PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WHO ALL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? ONE OF THE LARGEST, UM, PRIVATE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE OWNERS IN THE TOWN OF FORT ROYAL WHO PAY NOTHING TO OCCUPY ALL THESE VACANCIES. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF HEARING AND SEEING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BY THAT MARCH 2ND WHEN WE 
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ADOPT THAT ORDINANCE TO SEE IF MAYBE THAT COULD OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS THAT THE MOM AND POPS ARE GONNA OCCUR AT THE SMALL BUSINESS LEVEL. 
          SO MARCH 2ND, WE WOULD DISCUSS IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT WOULD, UH, IT, WE, WE WOULD VOTE ON IT AT THE END OF MARCH. 
          WOULD VOTE ON IT WOULD BE THE FOURTH? NO, THE 23RD. 
          23RD MARCH. 
          OKAY. 
          MARCH 20. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO AS SOON AS WE VOTE ON IT WOULD BE MARCH 23RD. 
          BUT SO AND SO DO WE UNDERSTAND, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT, UH, BASED EVERYBODY ALL WAS TALKING ABOUT? IT'S ABSOLUTELY, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE FAIR AND ALSO MOVING FORWARD. 
          WE WILL, WE WILL NOT DO SEVEN YEARS AGAIN FOR A RATE STUDY. 
          SO  JUST WANTED, Y'ALL KNOW, WE WERE COMING BACK MORE FREQUENTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WERE STRUGGLING IN THE ENERGY DEPARTMENT AT THAT TIME, TO BE FAIR. 
          WE UNDERSTAND COUNSEL WAS HAVING TO UNDERSTAND THINGS WE WEREN'T QUALIFIED TO UNDERSTAND AND THERE IS MORE PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENTS THAT WILL BE COMING IN FRONT OF Y'ALL THE NEXT MONTH OR SO THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, HELP US OUT FOR FUTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          AT LEAST HAVING A BETTER IDEA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FIRST. 
          HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT GOING UP THE PATH. 
          THIS IS WELL, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME LOW. 
          IT LOOKS GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          HOPE SO. 
          RIGHT? GOOD PRICE. 
          LOOK GOOD. 
          OLD COLD. 
          ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR US? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW YOU. 
          THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK. 
          EVERY I GRAY, DON'T ENJOY COMING TO TELL PEOPLE THEY GOTTA RAISE THEIR RATES, BUT AT LEAST YOU DID A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING IT. 
          I DIDN'T THANK YOU FOR BEING THE BEAR OF THE BAD. 
          OH LORD. 
          LONG HOUR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THREE. 
          A NEW BUSINESS PURCHASE OF REPLACEMENT POLICE DEPARTMENT PATROL VEHICLES. 
          AND THAT IS MS. CAMPBELL, JUST SO YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL THESE GREAT PRESENTATIONS. 
          AND THEN WHEN Y'ALL GET ME, UM, SO AGENDA ITEM THREE A IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF REPLACEMENT POLICE DEPARTMENT CONTROL VEHICLES. 
          UH, COUNSEL HAS REQUESTED TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE AND REPLACEMENT OF THREE PATROL VEHICLES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING THREE FORD POLICE INTERCEPTOR UTILITY VEHICLES, TWO, 3.3 LITER GASOLINE AND ONE 3.3 LITER HYBRID. 
          AND THESE ARE TO REPLACE, UM, 3 20, 24 EXPLORERS, WHICH ALL HAVE HIGH MILEAGE. 
          UM, THE HYBRID IS INCLUDED AT NO ADDITIONAL COST. 
          SO, UM, THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, A LOW RISK WAY TO SEE IF THE HYBRIDS MAKE SENSE FOR US FOR, FOR OUR FLEET IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, THE PROCUREMENT METHOD IS COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING THROUGH THE VIRGINIA SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION STATE CONTRACT. 
          UM, STAFF RECEIVED A QUOTE FROM SHEHE FORD OF RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $137 $137,290 AND 56 CENTS FOR THE THREE VEHICLES FUNDING FOR THE VEHICLE PURCHASES ARE, IS AVAILABLE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S FISCAL YEAR 26 OPERATIONAL BUDGET, WHICH INCLUDES 159,000 FOR THE REPLACEMENT. 
          THE REMAINING $21,709 WILL BE UTILIZED TO UPFIT AND PREPARE THE VEHICLES FOR PATROL SERVICE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN LINE ITEM 31 0 2 40 7,005, POLICE, PATROL MOTOR VEHICLES AND THOSE 20, 24 EXPLORERS THAT WE WOULD BE REPLACING THESE WITH. 
          THEN THEY GO INTO OUR STOCK BASICALLY AND CAN BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T MEAN NECESSARILY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY HAVE SOME OLDER OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          YEAH, THEY HAVE SOME OLDER IMPALAS THAT SOME OF THE AND THEY WOULD BE SHIFTING THOSE DOWN, CORRECT, CHIEF? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE WOULD JUST BE REPLACING ALL AND THEN THOSE WOULD THEN GO INTO, I GUESS ARE CONSIDERED LIKE, OPEN TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT MAY NEED, YOU KNOW, AN ORDER OR SWAP SOMETHING OUT IF WE NEED 'EM. 
          OR ULTIMATELY, OR WE'LL SELL 'EM TO GO, WHAT IS IT GOV GO GOV DEALS. 
          GOV DEALS WHERE THEY GO DO DEALS. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL HAND THEM TO MICHELLE TO SELL. 
          YEAH. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, ABOUT THIS ITEM? OKAY, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY, WE'LL MOVE THIS TO THE FEBRUARY 23RD UNDER CONSENT IF ANYBODY HAS A, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS A, UM, A PREFERENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THE NEXT ITEM IS, UM, THE BUDGET AMENDMENT TO RECEIVE FUNDS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA 9 1 1 SERVICE BOARD. 
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AND I BELIEVE MR. WILSON'S GOING TO SHARE THAT. 
          SO BASICALLY THE, UM, THIS IS THE BUDGET NUMBER FOR BRINGING FUNDS, UH, FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THE FUNDS OR NOT. 
          WE HAD TO MAKE A PURCHASE REGARDLESS. 
          SO THE PURCHASE HAD BEEN MADE, UM, LAST FISCAL YEAR ACTUALLY, UH, FOR 18,800, UM, FOR THE 9 1 1 SERVICES, COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA AGREED TO, UH, PAY US. 
          AND, UH, PAYMENT IS ON ITS WAY. 
          SO JUST REQUESTING FOR COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE BUDGET AMENDMENT TO BRING IN THOSE FUNDS AND OFFSET THE EXPENDITURE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          I SAFE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY THAT. 
           THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, THREE C IS A REQUEST FOR THANK YOU MR. WILSON. 
          UM, C3 C IS A REQUEST FOR SIDEWALK WAIVER FOR SQUIRREL HILL SUBDIVISION SUBMITTED BY OFFICER AIR DATE. 
          THEY ENGINEERING AND SHE'S GONNA SHARE THAT PRESENTATION WITH US. 
          AND THE SQUIRREL HILL SUBDIVISION, I'M PRETTY SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THAT IS, BUT IT'S THE ONE OFF OF WEST MAIN STREET. 
          WEST MAIN STREET, YEAH. 
          BEHIND YOUR HOUSE. 
          THAT'S JUST UPSTREAM WATER PARTY PROPERTY. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          AND BRUCE BE DOING A DEMONSTRATION. 
          IT ALWAYS GOES DELETED, RIGHT? I THINK IT JUST PULLED UP. 
          IT DID. 
          IT SWITCHED OUT. 
          GO BACK. 
          IF YOU GO BACK TO THE INBOX, IT WAS THERE. 
          OKAY, THERE YOU GO. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          I SAW IT. 
          . 
          THIS IS THE SQUIRREL PILLS. 
          SO THIS IS GONNA BE A BASICALLY A 32 DWELLING UNIT, UM, SUBDIVISION, UH, DUPLEXES. 
          SO 16 LOTS AS OF RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, THEY, THEY MAY END UP LOSING A LOT OR TWO DUE TO SITE DISTANCE, BUT, UM, OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT THEY PROVIDE SIDEWALKS ON ALL THE PUBLIC STREET. 
          SO THAT'S WEST MAIN STREET, BISCO AVENUE, ORCHARD STREET, AND NORTH STREET. 
          UM, AND THEIR REQUEST IS TO JUST INSTALL A FIVE FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK, WALK ALONG WEST MAIN STREET. 
          SO THE, HERE IS THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION. 
          YES. 
          THESE LOTS HERE. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS MAP IS SHOWING YOU, AND THIS IS ONLINE ON OUR NEW, ON OUR GIS PORTAL, THAT THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS, UM, IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AND THE NEAREST SIDEWALK, UM, IS ABOUT 170 LINEAR FEET, I THINK BY IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT IS THIS IN THE FUTURE PAVING PLANS FOR SIDEWALKS? BECAUSE I KNOW THE LAST, UM, WE JUST PUT THAT MAP UP ONLINE TOO, BUT THIS IS JUST WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE SIDEWALKS. 
          SO IF IT'S GREEN, THAT MEANS WE HAVE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. 
          YELLOW MEANS THAT WE HAVE SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND RED, THERE'S NO CURRENT SIDEWALKS. 
          YEAH, BUT I REMEMBER THE LAST WAIVER REQUEST WE RECEIVED, IT WAS COMING UP WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 18 MONTHS AT THE TOWN PLAN TO IMPLEMENT 'EM. 
          SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU KNOW HOW LONG UNTIL WE PLAN TO IMPLEMENT 'EM THERE AS WELL. 
          JAY, DO YOU KNOW IF THE FUTURE PAVING PLAN SHOWS SIDEWALKS? I WAS HOPING WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS. 
          I DON'T OFF THE OF MY HEAD, I, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD EITHER. 
          THAT WAS PART OF WHAT, YEAH, THIS WOULD BE HIGH ON THE PRIORITY OF THIS, UH, COMPLETING WEST MAIN TO YOUR PURPOSE. 
          SO BASICALLY WITH THIS WAIVER REQUEST IN THE FUTURE, IF WE WANTED TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS ALONG NORTH STREET, ORCHARD STREET, UM, OR THE NAME OF THIS PIECE, VISCO AVENUE HERE, THAT WOULD BE AT THE TOWN'S EXPENSE BECAUSE WE'D BE SETTING THE PRECEDENTS TOO. 
          I KNOW I'M NOT A DEVELOPER'S FRIEND, BUT I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M NOT BACKING DOWN FROM IT. 
          AGAIN, THERE'S A RULE THERE THAT SAYS THAT NEW DEVELOPMENTS HAVE TO PROVIDE THE SIDEWALKS AND IF WE DON'T ADHERE TO THAT, AND I KNOW, I KNOW SOMETIMES THE COUNCIL NOT NECESSARILY THIS ONE. 
          I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY SAID NO, WE, WE WON'T MAKE THEM DO THAT. 
          PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IS THAT THEN LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD, THE TAXPAYER PAYS TO FUND THEIR SIDEWALKS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE SIDEWALKS. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. 
          I HAVE CURB AND GUTTER THAT I PAID FOR. 
          I DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK, BUT IT, IT DOES IMPROVE THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY. 
          WELL, AND I WILL SAY THEY'RE BUILDING A SUBDIVISION, NOT A SINGLE FAMILY 
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DWELLING OR TWO TOWNHOUSE. 
          THERE'S A BIG DIFFERE DIFFERENCE. 
          IT'S A BIG, A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN, AND IN THE CODE, IT KIND OF GIVES COUNCIL SOME JUST GUIDANCE AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROVISIONS ARE. 
          AND SO IT SAYS THAT COUNCIL CAN WAIVE IT IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA IS RELATIVELY LOW DENSITY. 
          IT IS NOT LOW DENSITY THERE. 
          YOU WERE ADJACENT TO TOWN HOMES. 
          UM, THE ONLY, UM, SINGLE FAMILY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WOULD BE ONE STREET OVER INTO THE SOUTH. 
          UM, AND THEN DRAINAGE CONSIDERATIONS ARE THE ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN PARAMETERS. 
          YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLAN HERE, HERE'S YOUR, UM, DRAINAGE FACILITIES. 
          SO THE TOPO, EVERYTHING IS FALLING THIS WAY. 
          THAT THAT'S YOUR RETENTION PLAN, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          WHERE'S GONNA BE, I'VE SEEN ENOUGH TO KNOW I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF GRANTING MY WAIVER. 
          I NEED LET'S, I HAVEN'T CHANGED MY PHILOSOPHY COMP PLAN. 
          SAY, YEAH, NO, I'M DRAMATIC. 
          I, YOU GUYS, I THINK YOU KEPT SUPPORT GROUPS, BRUCE. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY RAISED THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I ALSO THINK TOO THAT ASKING WHAT I KNOW, I KNOW TOO. 
          THE, THE DEVELOPER LIKE, YES, IT WILL COST THEM MORE, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY IT'LL GO ON TO, IT'LL GO ON TO THE COST OF THE HOUSE TOO. 
          SO ANYWAY. 
          WELL, WE'VE HAD YEARS OF THIS HAPPENING AND, UH, GOTTA CHANGE AT SOME POINT WE HAVE A CONSENSUAL HEARING TO MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, SO YEAH, IT, IT REQUIRES COUNCIL ACTION. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          NO, I KNOW. 
          MOVE FORWARD TO FEBRUARY'S MEETING. 
          UH, SO NO, WE, IT IS ON FEBRUARY'S MEETING. 
          IT COULD BE FEBRUARY 23RD. 
          IT DOES REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IT'S JUST SO CAN IT BE UNDER CONSENT OR BUSINESS? BUSINESS? I WOULD BE DEPART BUSINESS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUSINESS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS EASY. 
          NOW EASY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO 3D DEED OF EASEMENT FROM C-R-P-T-C-C. 
          FRONT WALL OWNER LLC TO TOWN FOR PUBLIC WATER SEWER EASEMENTS FOR TOWN WATER SEWER FACILITIES SERVING CONSOLIDATED LOT FIVE A ONE. 
          FUTURE TAX MAP NUMBER 12 G DASH ONE DASH TWO DASH FIVE A ONE. 
          AND MR. SON, THAT'S YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE SUMMARY IS THERE AND IT'S SELF-EXPLANATORY. 
          THE COUNSEL'S SEEN A NUMBER OF THESE, UH, ANY ANYTIME TOWN FACILITIES ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF TOWN LIMITS WHERE THERE ARE NO RIGHTS OF WAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, REQUIRES TOWN FACILITIES TO BE AN EASEMENT SO THAT THE TOWN CAN MAINTAIN, MAINTAIN THE FACILITIES. 
          THAT'S REALLY, SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT EASEMENT. 
          THIS IS JUST RENEWING THE EASEMENT? NO, THIS IS THE NEW ONE. 
          NEW IN THREE LOCATIONS. 
          OH, UP TO THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THE ONE PARCEL, WHICH, THE ONE WHICH PARCELS IT, I, I DIDN'T SEE ON THE, WHICH PART WAS GONNA BE TO A AND BALL DRIVE TORRY THE INTERSECTION. 
          YEAH. 
          TORRA AND BALL. 
          OKAY. 
          THREE LOTS ARE TO BE CONSOLIDATED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          YEAH. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THIS OR ANY ANYMORE NEED FOR DISCUSSION? I THINK THERE'S CONSENT AGENDA TOTAL. 
          MR. SEA. 
          NO. 
          ASK, ASK CAN SEE. 
          LEMME TAKE THIS JOB. 
          UM, MR. DOCUMENT THE AGENDA ALREADY EXECUTED BY THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO CAN THIS BE ON CONSENT OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE ON BUSINESS? IT CAN BE CONSENT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THREE E AND THAT'S FY 26. 
          BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN GUNS. 
          AND THAT'S CHIEF WHITE . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT. 
          USUALLY BJ . 
          I'M GOOD. 
          YEAH, WE'LL GO FOR IT. 
          UM, SO WE'RE A LITTLE LATE GETTING TO IT. 
          AND WE WERE CONTACTED BECAUSE NORMALLY WE PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM AND THEY REACHED OUT TO US AND WAS WONDERING WHY WE HAVEN'T PARTICIPATED. 
          SO THEY GOT LOST IN EMAIL CHAIN, BUT I'M GLAD THEY REACHED OUT. 
          UM, IT'S $2,000 THIS YEAR. 
          I THINK PREVIOUS YEARS IT WAS $3,000. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT DOES HELP US WHEN WE GO INVESTIGATE THESE INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN. 
          SO, UH, WITH APPROVAL WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, GO FORWARD AND GET FUNDS, UM, YOU KNOW, MEMORIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT WE NEED TO COMPLETE THE INVESTIGATION. 
          SO WE'VE DONE THIS EVERY YEAR JUST TO BRING IN THE FUNDS. 
          AND DID YOU SAY MEMORY? WELL, IT'D BE LIKE ONE TERABYTE MEMORY. 
          OKAY, GOTCHA. 
          THINGS TO BACKUP FOR THE COMPUTER SYSTEM. 
          GOTCHA. 
          BUT YEAH, SO NORM, WE'RE A LITTLE LATE. 
          WE'RE BEHIND, NORMALLY WE GET THIS IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, BUT I'M GLAD THEY REACHED OUT. 
          SO WE DO HAVE TIME TO GET THIS IN ONCE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS, THEY'RE GIVING US THE MONEY. 
          WE GOTTA PAY FOR THAT. 
          SO WE WOULD GET REIMBURSEMENT, WE WOULD, UH, FRONT THE MONEY, THEN WE WOULD SEEK REIMBURSEMENT FOR IT. 
          OH, 
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OKAY. 
          BUT WE HAVE A, A TIME OF WINDOW TO GET THIS IN BY MAY. 
          AND I BELIEVE WE CAN GET THIS IN. 
          THE PRODUCT IS AVAILABLE, BUT, SO, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT'S WEEKLY THAT I SEE HOW MUCH THIS PROGRAM IS TAKING PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS IN FRONT. 
          ROYAL, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          SO THE TOWN AND CAN I ASSUME THE COUNTY CAN BENEFIT FROM THIS AS SO THEY GET ALSO, UM, THERE A PORTION OF IT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE GET A PORTION TOO THAT'S, THAT'S REACHED OUT TO FROM THE STATE. 
          THE MORE WE CAN FIND THAT. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          YEP. 
          ANYBODY, IT'S NO BRAINER. 
          THAT'S, YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT COULD BE ON CONSENT. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UNFINISHED BUSINESS FOUR A, UM, ESPECIALLY PERMIT APPLICATION FOR PROPERTY CONNECTION LC TO ALLOW AN AUTOMOBILE PARKING LOT, COMMERCIAL TOW YARD ON A VACANT LOT ON KIBBLER STREET. 
          AND MS. KAKI IS HERE FOR THIS. 
          WE DID HAVE THIS LAST WEEK, AND SO, UM, COUNSEL HAD LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND THEN PEOPLE WANTED TO GO DOWN AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          AND, UM, THE, IT IS BEFORE US BEGIN TONIGHT, AND IT IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. 
          AND THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING 'CAUSE IT'S SPECIAL USE PERMITTED. 
          IT IS. 
          IT IS. 
          SO IT'S TOO LATE TO IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU SAID, RIGHT? IT'S MARCH. 
          THE EARLIEST YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO IT WOULD BE MARCH 23RD. 
          OKAY. 
          IF, IF COUNSEL CORRECT. 
          I WASN'T JUMPING AHEAD. 
          I I WAS JUST SAYING LIKE TO, OKAY, MS, SO THIS IS FOR, AGAIN, IN AUTOMOBILE PARKING LOT, UM, IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. 
          SO THIS IS OVER NEAR EAST SEVENTH STREET OFF OF KLER. 
          IT IS IN THE FLOOD WAY. 
          UH, THERE IS A ALMOST IDENTICAL USE RIGHT UP, UH, THE STREET THERE. 
          JUST THERE OFF THE MAP. 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          AND THAT ONE WAS, UM, APPROVED FROM A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM 1999, BASICALLY FOR THE SAME THING. 
          SO, UM, BUT WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING HERE IS THAT THEY WOULD INSTALL A FENCE ON THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF ARE REQUESTING ONE, THAT THEY HAVE THE FENCE AT LEAST SIX FEET TALL, WHICH COMPLIES WITH CODE. 
          AND THAT, UM, IT DOESN'T RESTRICT THE FLOW OF WATER. 
          SO ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, WHAT WE HAD THEM DO WAS, UM, LIFT THE BOTTOM OF THE, THE FENCE BOARDS UP ABOUT A FOOT, UM, TO LET WATER PASS THROUGH. 
          UM, AND THE CODE REQUIRES THAT THIS EITHER BE GRAVELED OR, UM, PAVED. 
          MY BIGGEST QUESTION MM-HMM . 
          I MEAN, I, I'VE SEEN A LOT. 
          I'VE BEEN DOWN LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO THE CREEK. 
          RIGHT. 
          ARE THEY GONNA BE BRINGING CARS IN THAT HAVE BEEN AN ACCIDENT? IS IT LEAKING FLUIDS AND GOING TO GROUND AND GO INTO GROUNDWATER? POTENTIALLY THEY COULD BE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST RECESSION. 
          YEAH. 
          THE AS, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN. 
          SO, I MEAN, THE ASPHALT WOULD POTENTIALLY KEEP SOME OF THAT FROM BEEPING INTO THE GROUND, BUT IF YOU HAD A FLOOD EVENT, IT'S STILL GONNA GET WASHED AWAY AND WOULD, UM, BUT ALL BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER TOO, IN TOWN, LIKE 85% OF OUR INDUSTRIAL PARCELS ARE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN OR FLOODWAY ALONG THE STREET, AND THEY'RE DEVELOPED. 
          SO IT, IT'S NEGLIGIBLE FOR THIS USE. 
          SEEMS LIKE A SIMILAR USE. 
          IT WOULD INCREASE THE VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          THE PROPERTY. 
          I THINK IF THEY PAID, IT'S GOING FROM VACANT LAND TO IT WOULD BE IN USE. 
          SO THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR POTENTIAL FOR SOME. 
          THAT WAS JUST MY CONCERN, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, I KNOW PEOPLE IN TOWN WORK SO HARD TO GET HAPPY CREEK CLEANED UP YEARS AGO, SO THEY COULD GET THE STATE TO STOCK IT FOR THE, OR STOCK IT FOR ANYBODY WITH TROUT, YOU KNOW, AND I, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT JUST TO STUFF RUNNING DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COME IN AND CHECK AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA STOCK ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY START STOCKING AT SIXTH STREET MM-HMM . 
          AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN, DOWN BELOW THE BALL FIELDS. 
          I WOULD PREFER THAT. 
          I WOULD RATHER SEE PA YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          GEORGE HAS HIS HAND. 
          UH, JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT, OF COURSE, FOLLOWING A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND COUNSEL CHOOSES TO TAKE TO APPROVE UHHUH,  COUNSEL, COUNSEL CAN PLACE REASONABLE CONDITIONS ON THE APPROVAL. 
          OH. 
          AND SO THAT COULD, SO PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED ONE THROUGH FOUR. 
          I DID ADD IN A POTENTIAL FIVE WHERE THEY WOULD SUBMIT A MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, DESCRIBING THEIR PROTOCOL FOR REMOVING VEHICLES FROM THE SITE AND THEN OF A FLOOD. 
          BUT YOU COULD ALSO REQUIRE THEM TO EXPLAIN HOW THEY'D MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL AREN'T GETTING, EVEN IF THEY WOULDN'T DO THE WHOLE LOT, IF THEY COULD PUT AN 
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ASPHALT, LIKE LACK OF BETTER WORDS IN BERM AT THE BACK, UH, OR AT THE ASPHALT, PUT A BER AT THE, THE BACK. 
          SO IF THERE IS GAS RUNNING OUT, THAT WILL, THAT WILL STOP SOME OF, FROM GOING DOWN INTO THE CREEK. 
          AND ONE OF THE OTHER CONDITIONS IS THAT WE ALSO ARE ASKING FOR AN EVERGREEN HEDGE. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE ARBOR VI OR MM-HMM . 
          CY VERSUS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, TO KIND OF PREVENT, UM, SOME OF THE RUNOFF DOWN INTO THE CREEK, BUT ALSO SCREEN IT FROM THE ADJACENT USES. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A MIXTURE DOWN THERE OF NON-CONFORMING RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          SAY THAT WITH THOSE UPDATED, UM, CONDITIONS THAT LOOKS GOOD TO ME, NOTHING'S GONNA STOP. 
          IF THERE, IF, WELL SUPPOSEDLY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO REMOVE DAMAGED VEHICLES, UH, THAT MAY BE LEAKING WITHIN 48 HOURS. 
          SO, UM, WITHOUT IT BEING PAVED, THE LEAKING, ANYTHING LEAKING WILL GO INTO THE GROUND AND WE'LL FIND ITS WAY TO, THAT'S WHY THEY ADDED, MAKE A CONDITION YOU CAN REQUIRE THEY ADDED PAVING AS A CONDITION NUMBER. 
          I'M, I SEE THAT NOW. 
          I SEE THAT. 
          SO JUST SAY FACILITY LOT SHALL HAVE A PAGE SURFACE, WHICH IS WHAT GEORGE . 
          OKAY. 
          I DIDN'T SEE THE THING ON, ON THE ALL TO. 
          SO WHY DOES IT SAY OF THERE REQUIRED PER TOWN CODE 1 58 GRAVEL SURFACE HELPS WITH DRAINAGE OF SIGHT WITH THE WATER TO FLOW THROUGH INSTEAD OF BEING HELD. 
          SO, AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT CON CONTRADICTS WHAT CONS REPPORT WAS SAYING IS THAT GRAVEL, GRAVEL ALLOWS FOR THE DRAINAGE. 
          ASPHALT DOESN'T, IF YOU WANT THE SITE TO DRAIN DRAINAGE TO GO IN THE GROUND. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THAT WILL FIND THE GRAVE. 
          JUST CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT. 
          IF YOU WANT ASPHALT SO THAT THE OIL AND THE ANTIFREEZE, WHATEVER, IT DOESN'T GO INTO THE GROUND, I THE WOULD BE BETTER. 
          AND THEN A BURN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE IT BETTER AGAIN, HOW THEY PUT THE STOPS UP. 
          SO YOU CAN, LIKE A CURB OF ASPHALT AROUND THREE SIDES OF IT WANT TO SHARP EITHER WAY IT'S GONNA GET WASHED INTO THE CREEK. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I, I'M NOT AGAINST WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I'M JUST SAYING IF WE THINK THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT SAYS, I THINK CHANCE OF IT GOING TO THE CREEK, IF THAT ASPHALT STOPS IT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN PUT SOME DOWN TO ABATE IT. 
          YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE STAY DRY YEAH. 
          STAY DRY KIT LIT OR WHATEVER, DOWN TO ABATE STUFF. 
          THAT'S WHERE HAVING AN ENGINEER ON STAFF IS USEFUL. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OR ENVIRONMENTAL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          I'M NEITHER, BUT THANK YOU. 
          , THE COUNTY INVOLVED IN THIS, WOULD THAT REQUIRE ANY KIND OF COUNTY EQUIPMENT? NO, WE WOULD APPROVE THE FENCE PERMIT ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          UM, I WOULD REVIEW COMPLIANCE WITH THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          UM, IT'S JUST A FENCE. 
          IT'S NOT A STRUCTURE, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, WELL, I MEAN DEFENSE TECHNICALLY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF WHAT SEDIMENT CONTROL AND ALL THAT WROTE. 
          THEY ARE, BUT THEY'RE NOT DISTURBING OVER AN ACRE HERE. 
          THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE GOING TO CLEAR THAT LAWN ENOUGH TO PUT PARKING LOCK DOWN. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IN ONE DIRECTION THEY, THEN THEY GO THE OTHER ROOM. 
          THIS ONE'S NOT A COUNTY PROBLEM. 
          I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          I'M FINE WITH LONG. 
          IT'S PAID ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO NEXT UP IS AVENUE LIGHTING D WE GOING MARCH 23RD. 
          OH, I ASSUME IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYBODY WAS GOOD WITH THAT, SO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU LAURA. 
          SO FOUR B AVENUE LIGHTING D DO REVENUE SHARING, PROJECT UPDATE, MR. BETTY. 
          SO WE GAVE THE BUDGET PROJECT LIST, UH, WHERE BJ PRESENTED THAT A FEW WEEKS AGO. 
          WE MENTIONED THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE HAVE TO SET ASIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDS IF WE WANT TO COMPLETE IT. 
          UM, SO WE'VE ALREADY SET ASIDE 244,000 IN ORDER TO MEET OUR REQUIREMENT OF THE 50% MATCH, WE WOULD HAVE TO SET ASIDE ANOTHER 532,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 27. 
          THAT MAKES THE TOTAL FOR THE PROJECT, UM, $1.5 MILLION TO REPLACE THE LIGHTS ALONG SHENANDOAH AVENUE FROM THE SOUTHERNMOST BRIDGE TO THE INTERSECTION OF 14TH STREET. 
          UH, I THOUGHT WE VOTED AGAINST THAT. 
          WE DIDN'T VOTE, WE NEVER VOTED DISCUSS, AND WE JUST DISCUSSED IT. 
          THAT WAS A BUDGET DISCUSSION. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU THIS EVENING IS TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          WE CAN GO TO VDOT AND ASK 
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FOR AN EXTENSION FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD PUSH IT OUT ANOTHER YEAR IN ORDER FOR US TO SAVE FUNDS AT A LATER DATE IF IT IS EXPRESSED TO DO IT. 
          IF NOT, AND WE WOULD DECIDE TO WITHDRAW THIS APPLICATION. 
          COUNSEL WOULD'VE TO TAKE A VOTE AT A MEETING WITH RESOLUTION TO WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION. 
          WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH VDOT ABOUT IT. 
          UM, THEY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OPEN TO WHATEVER WE WANT TO PROVIDE TO THEM. 
          LIKE I SAID, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, THE BUDGET MEETING, BUT THAT WAS ABOUT THE BUDGET, NOT ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC. 
          BUT IF, IF, IF WE WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION IN FROM VDO, IS THAT, ARE THEY GONNA FROWN ON THAT AND NOT GIVE US THE NEXT THING WE HAVE FOR AND SPEAKING WITH THEM? IT, IT SHOULD NOT PENALIZE US, UH, IN ANY WAY WE WOULD'VE TO COVER ANY COSTS. 
          BUT WE HAVEN'T SOUGHT ANY REIMBURSEMENT FROM THEM TO THIS POINT. 
          AS I STATED, WE'VE SPENT 50,000 ON IT. 
          UH, BUT VDOT UNDERSTANDS, AND THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROJECT, AND WE ASK, UH, MS. CAMERON THAT EXACTLY THING, WOULD WE BE FUTURE PENALIZED? AND IF WE SET THE PRECEDENT OF IT LIKE MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER PROJECTS WITH THEM THAT WE'RE CARRYING FORWARD THAT IT DOESN'T. 
          WELL, THIS CONCERNS ME. 
          UH, I MEAN THE LIGHTS WE HAVE ON, UH, 14TH STREET, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, SHE AVENUE. 
          NOW, WILL THESE NEW LIGHTS BE AS BRIGHT AS THOSE YEAH, THEY WOULD ON THIS PROJECT HERE? YES. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA MATCH THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE BRIDGE. 
          WE ARE NOT VERY BRIGHT. 
          I'M IN FAVOR OF WITHDRAWING THIS. 
          UM, B DOT'S PROJECTS ARE BASED ON SCORES. 
          I'VE MET WITH VDOT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT A PROJECT IN TOWN. 
          I'VE SAT ON THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE WHEN IT BECAME A THING AND WE BROUGHT IT TO FRUITION. 
          WE DON'T GET PENALIZED FOR NOT MATCHING FUNDS WITH THEM ON A PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'VE MADE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE. 
          AND I THINK WITH THE ANTICIPATION AND EXPECTATION OF POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON SOME OF THE VACANT LOTS OUT THERE, THAT THEY'LL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO IMPROVE SOME STUFF AS WELL. 
          UM, AND HONESTLY, AS MUCH AS COUNCILMAN SEA LOCK CARRIED FORWARD WITH HIS INITIATIVES, I ALMOST HIT SOMEBODY ON CHINO AVENUE BY SHEETS PLAYING FROGGER THE OTHER NIGHT. 
          I MEAN, THE LIGHTS HAVE DONE ALL THEY CAN DO. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE BEST USE OF FUNDS FOR THE TOWN. 
          AND I THINK WE COULD IMPROVE OR PUT IT TOWARDS A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS INSTEAD. 
          WELL, I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK THE LIGHTS WE HAVE THERE NOW, VICE MAYOR ARE BRIGHTER THAN THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE BRIDGE. 
          THEY THEY ARE, BUT THERE IS A PURPOSE BEHIND THAT AS WELL. 
          SETTING ON THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THERE IS INITIATIVES THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY BROUGHT AND SPOKE ABOUT TO US AT COUNCIL. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF A, I THINK, I THINK, UH, THE TOWN MANAGER ACTUALLY SENT US AN EMAIL ABOUT IT TODAY TOO. 
          THERE'S AN INITIATIVE ACROSS VIRGINIA AND PLACES LIKE OURS THAT THRIVE ON ECOTOURISM TO DARKEN THE LIGHT, THE DARK SKY, AND USE A PARTICULAR TYPE OF LIGHT TO NOT, UM, DISRUPT THE ECOSYSTEMS THAT SURROUND US. 
          UM, SO WHEN THIS PROJECT FIRST BECAME A TOPIC FOR THIS CUN, OR FOR THE TOWN COUNCIL MM-HMM . 
          UM, THERE WERE FATALITIES OUT THERE. 
          I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT WAS PRIOR TO SHE, UM, THAT OTHER, THE OTHER THING WAS OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH IS, IS THAT THEN IT DID APPEAR DARK. 
          LIKE IT DID APPEAR DARKER, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE AS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY BRIGHTER THROUGH THERE NOW THAN WHAT IT WAS. 
          AND MAYBE IT IS SHEETS, BUT, UM, I THINK, I THINK IT'S SHEETS. 
          YOU PUT ONLY D LIGHTS IN OUT THERE WHEN THEY GO BACK. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THEY MAKE IT BRIGHTER. 
          I THINK WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS SO WE COULD ALLOCATE THIS ALSO. 
          HOW MANY TIMES HAS  TOLD US? NO. 
          US TELLING THEM NO ONE TIME? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          I, IF YOU WATCH THE LATEST, THE, THE CTVS MEETINGS THAT WE KEEP HAVING TO WATCH ABOUT OR NOT HAVING PEOPLE WANT TO WATCH, IT HAPPENS. 
          LIKE, THEY LITERALLY STAND UP AND TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT TAKES NINE YEARS, THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS LOCALITY IS NOT INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT ANYMORE. 
          AND I THINK SOMETIMES IT IS BASED ON MONEY, LIKE, OR PRIORITY SHIFT. 
          YEAH. 
          COUNCILMAN, WERE YOU? NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UH, THE, THE LIGHTING IS, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN  YOU MENTIONED OUT ON THE BRIDGES. 
          UH, THEY CERTAINLY, THEY'RE SO HIGH UP IN THE AIR THAT THEY, THEY DON'T PENETRATE ENOUGH LIGHT DOWN TO THE GROUND. 
          SO YOU CAN STILL, YOU CAN STILL HAVE, UH, THERE'S LIGHTING LIKE, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN HAYMARKET. 
          I SAW IT. 
          THEY'VE PUT IN NEW LIGHTING THERE WHERE IT SENDS THE LIGHT DOWN TO THE GROUND, BUT IT SPREADS. 
          IT'S, IT'S CLOSER TO THE GROUND, SO 
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IT'S BRIGHTER. 
          AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UM, COUNCILMAN CILA WAS GONNA NEED TO. 
          BUT THIS ISN'T GOING TOWARDS THE LIGHTS ON THE BRIDGE. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE LIGHTS ON THE BRIDGE. 
          NO. 
          MAINTAIN THEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THIS IS JUST SHENANDOAH AVENUE. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          UN UNDERSTOOD. 
          BUT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SAME. 
          IT WAS BE THE SAME TYPE. 
          WELL, THAT WAS THE STATE'S CALL, WHICH IS WHO WE'RE POLITELY DECLINING MATCHING FUNDS WITH RIGHT NOW. 
          SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, I'M IN FAVOR OF TAKING THIS TO A VOTE AT THE NEXT MEETING IF WE'RE ABLE TO. 
          I AGREE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          UM, JOE, IS THERE, IS THERE, OR MAYBE DJ, UM, FOR THE 50,000, IT CAN'T BE REIMBURSED. 
          IS THERE A, AN ULTIMATE, UM, ABILITY TO MAYBE DO A BUDGET REVISION TO REDUCE THE BUDGET DOWN SO THAT WE COULD GET THAT AMOUNT REIMBURSED? WE DON'T DO THE PROJECT. 
          WE CAN'T BE REIMBURSED BY BEING DONE. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T RE YOU CAN'T REDUCE THE, THE, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REDUCE THE BUDGET AT ALL FOR PERMIT? NO. 
          WHAT THEY'RE MATCHING A TALL OR NOTHING. 
          WE WOULD'VE TO HAVE LIGHTS AND PROJECT, IT WOULD'VE TO BE COMPLETE TO BE REIMBURSED. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THEY COME TO US WITH ANY PROJECT, IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE US HALF. 
          WE HAVE TO DO A WHOLE HOG. 
          THEY WON'T LET US DO PARTIAL. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE OBVIOUSLY EXPLORED TOO. 
          IF FUTURE WE WANTED TO REDO THE LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, WE, OUR CREW HAS THE CAPABILITY OF DOING IT. 
          THEY SET THE ONES ON THE BRIDGE, SO, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE'S ALREADY THERE. 
          WE, WE COULD PROBABLY DO IT AT A BETTER COST IN THE FUTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR A STOPLIGHT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY THROUGH, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC STUFF COMING UP WITH VDO THROUGH THAT AREA. 
          ESPECI DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WE MAINTAIN THE LIGHTS ON THE BRIDGE. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND WHEN YOU SAY MAINTAIN, DO WE REPLACE 'EM IF THEY GO OUT? WE, YES. 
          WE DIE. 
          WE CHANGED THE BALL. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO SAY, SO WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT DOING IT FOR THE STATE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE WE, WE ARE COMPENSATED FOR THAT. 
          PROBABLY NEED TO DRIVE. 
          YOU SAID THAT. 
          I STARTED THINKING, WHOA, WE GOT SNOW PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW. 
          OH NO. 
          THERE IS A GOOD BIT OF A MAP IN THAT SECOND BRIDGE. 
          OKAY. 
          WILL THIS BE THE FEBRUARY MEETING? THIS WILL BE A, YEAH, FEBRUARY MEETING. 
          WE'LL DRAFT UP THE NOT A PUBLIC CORRESPONDENCE TO BE PICKED UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          FOUR C IS THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 72. 
          SPECIAL EVENT HELD ON TOWN STREETS AND PUBLIC PROPERTY. 
          FEBRUARY 23RD AND MARCH 23RD. 
          HOW ODD IT IS BECAUSE IT'S THE 28TH DAY. 
          I'M LIKE, AM I WRITING THE, IT'S BECAUSE WE STARTED ON SUNDAY THE FIRST AND IT'S EXACTLY FOUR WEEKS. 
          SO YEAH. 
          DID YOU GUYS SAY THIS WOULD BE CONSENT BUSINESS QUESTION? UM, WE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          WOULD WE BE, IT'S PROBABLY BEST BUSINESS ESTIMATE. 
          I GOT THE QUESTION. 
          STAND UP HERE. 
          STRETCH. 
          UM, SO WE PRESENTED THE SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, POTENTIAL ORDINANCE UPDATE TO YOU A FEW WEEKS AGO. 
          AND SO WE WANTED TO PROVIDE FURTHER UPDATE WITH HOPES OF TAKING THIS TO COUNCIL IN MARCH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UM, AND SO JUST GONNA KIND OF, I DON'T REALLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS TO YOU ALL, IF YOU ALL COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHY WE DO SPECIAL EVENTS, UM, BECAUSE OF THEIR ECONOMIC IMPACT, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THEIR CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL ASSETS. 
          AND WE GET TO SHOWCASE OUR WONDERFUL PUBLIC SPACES AT THE TELL MAINTAINS. 
          UM, CURRENTLY WE HOST ABOUT 40 ANNUAL EVENTS. 
          THOSE CONSIST OF THE FESTIVAL OF LEAVES, WINE AND CRAFT, FAMILY FUN DAY, YOU KNOW, MANY WALKS, DIFFERENT PROCESSIONS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE REOCCURRING EVENTS SUCH AS THE FARMER'S MARKET AND GAZEBO GATHERINGS HOSTED BY BLUE RIDGE ARTS COUNCIL. 
          AND SO THE CURRENT PROCESS IS THERE'S AN APPLICATION. 
          UM, THEY'LL PAY THEIR FEE DEPENDENT ON HOW THEY FIT IN THAT MATRIX ON SMALL VENTS AND WHAT THEY ULTIMATELY WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE. 
          THAT'S REVIEWED BY STAFF. 
          UH, COMMENTS ARE PROVIDED BY PD, PUBLIC WORKS IF NECESSARY, YOU KNOW, BUT FORTUNATELY, MOST OF THE EVENTS HAVE BEEN ANNUAL. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SAME 53 YEARS OF THE FESTIVAL LEAVES, IT GROWS. 
          AND THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PRETTY USED TO IT AT THIS POINT. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IN THESE CHANGES, AGAIN, IS CREATE A SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE. 
          I'VE HAD, UH, SOME FEEDBACK. 
          WE AS DIRECTED, WE'VE SENT THIS OUT TO PEOPLE WHO'VE DONE EVENTS IN THE PAST. 
          UM, WE'VE SENT IT OUT TO THEM. 
          WE'VE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM SOME. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THEM JUST TO MAKE SURE WE TRY AND GET AS MUCH CORRESPONDENCE AS POSSIBLE ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT SOME PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ABOUT THE COMMITTEE ITSELF. 
          AND AGAIN, THE COMMITTEE IS A LOT OF THE STAFF THAT'S ALREADY REVIEWING THESE ANYWAYS. 
          PUBLIC WORKS. 
          PD WILL BE INVITING FIRE AND RESCUE. 
          IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ALCOHOL, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE AN AGENT FROM A 
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B, C OR HEALTH DEPARTMENT IF THEY'RE DOING FOOD, YOU KNOW. 
          AND THEN OUR, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, LIZZIE LEWIS WILL BE IN THERE. 
          SO WE CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND THEIR MARKETING PLANS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ASSISTING IN THAT AS WELL. 
          WE WANT IT TO BE A SAFE AND SUCCESSFUL EVENT. 
          AND I THINK THE SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE WILL HELP. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH THE FESTIVAL LEAVES HAS GONE ON 53 YEARS, THEY CAN CHANGE SOME THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING THERE. 
          WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE ADAPTING TO THAT AS WELL. 
          OR ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING NATIONALLY OR GLOBALLY FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, OUR PD IS THERE TO ADDRESS IT. 
          UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S UM, PUT THE WHOLE NEW, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, WHOLE NEW FACTOR OR ISSUE MAYBE WITH IT. 
          BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UM, HAVING MAYBE A COUPLE OF CITIZEN UH, APPOINTMENTS ON YOUR SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE? WE CAN. 
          SO WE WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, SO FOR INSTANCE, DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL INC. 
          IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S LOOKING TO ESTABLISH AS A MAIN STREET. 
          UM, WELL, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE EVENTS ALL OVER. 
          YOU KNOW, MAIN STREET IS KIND OF THE CENTRAL HUB, SO WE WOULD LOOK TO HAVE THEM AS MAY REPRESENTATIVE AND YEAH. 
          IF THERE WAS A, A REBA, REBA, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA BE SENSITIVE TOO 'CAUSE THEY ALSO ARE SOME OF THE EVENT ORGANIZERS AND IF THEY'RE ON THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT, BUT YEAH, IF THERE'S LIKE A, A CITIZEN THAT WANTED TO PARTICIPATE, WE OBVIOUSLY WANNA CONTROL IT IN SOME SENSE. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK FROM A CITIZEN POINT OF VIEW AND WHAT THEIR IMPACT MAY BE FROM THESE EVENTS. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER THING WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ITS OVERALL IMPACT ON HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR COMMUNITY FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT FOR PARKING. 
          SO A CITIZEN OR TWO COULD BE WORTH HAVING ON THAT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. 
          LIKE TWO AT LARGE NON-INTERESTED PARTIES, UM, OF DIVERSE MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, AND POTENTIALLY CONTENTIOUS, UM, IDEALS SO THAT YOU CAN GET THAT 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, SPEAKING TO YOUR CRITICS AND, AND HELPS YOU PLAN BETTER. 
          AND I THINK THE, UH, THE EVENT COMMITTEE IS ALSO NOT REALLY TO DICTATE IF YOU CAN DO THE EVENT OR NOT, NOT ON THE SUBJECT OF THE EVENT. 
          IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE OPERATIONS AND, AND OUTREACH, ET CETERA. 
          LIKE HOW IS IT IMPACTING FROM ROYAL, RIGHT. 
          AND HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE OUR RESOURCES ARE THERE AND THAT WE ARE ALL ACCOUNTABLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, WELL RISK MITIGATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THERE IS ALSO A PIECE OF IT TOO, YOU KNOW, SO THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT EFFECTIVENESS TOO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO ANYWAY, UM, EXTENDED APPLICATION SCHEDULE. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S A 30 DAY MINIMUM BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE APPLICATION, GET IT TO THE SPECIAL EVENTS COMMITTEE, WHICH WOULD BE MEETING REGULARLY EACH MONTH. 
          UM, IT WOULD BE 45 DAYS. 
          AND THAT'S IMPORTANT AND WE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK. 
          IT'S JUST IMPORTANT BECAUSE ONE, IT GIVES US MORE TIME TO MARKET THE EVENT, YOU KNOW, WITH THEM, BUT ALSO TO PREPARE AND GET NOTIFICATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC OF ANY CLOSURES, ET CETERA. 
          PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN WILL BE PART OF IT. 
          UH, WE WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DRAFT PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN WHERE THEY CAN KIND OF FILL IN THE BLANKS. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO EXPECT, UH, EVERY APPLICANT TO KNOW EVERY LITTLE DETAIL. 
          SO WE WILL HELP WORK THROUGH THOSE. 
          THERE WILL BE A NEW FEE SCHEDULE, WHICH WE'LL SHOW. 
          UM, WE ALSO ADDRESS REOCCURRING EVENTS AND REALLY DEFINE THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD BLOCK PARTIES. 
          WE DEFINE THOSE AND HAVE A PROCESS, UH, CHANGING EVENT NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WE'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK ON IN A GOOD WAY, UM, ABOUT HOW WE ADDRESS THOSE. 
          SO WE, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THAT. 
          UH, GREAT EXAMPLE WAS A A, A RUNNING GROUP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IF THEY HAD A RUN, HOW DO THEY NOTIFY EVERY PERSON ON A THREE MILE ROUTE? THAT WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING FOR VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS. 
          SO WE'VE GONNA WORK WITH PD WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE NO PARKING SIGNS OR MAYBE LIKE AN ELECTION STYLE SIGN THAT WOULD TELL PEOPLE THERE'S A RACE IN THE NEXT WEEK. 
          GO TO FRONT ROW VA.COM TO FIND OUT MORE DETAILS. 
          SO IF YOU'RE DRIVING FROM YOUR HOME OR BUSINESS ON THAT STREET, YOU'LL SEE THE SIGN. 
          YOU CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE, SCAN A QR CODE OR SOMETHING, THEY'LL TAKE YOU AND THEY'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHEN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO AS SOON AS THE EXAMPLES WERE KIND AFTER ACTION REPORTING, THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THE COMMITTEE WILL BE DOING IS AFTER EVENTS, THEY'LL BE REVIEWING HOW EVERYTHING WENT JUST TO MAKE SURE THINGS SUCCESS. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, THAT NEW PROCESS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOUR APPLICATION WITH YOUR FEES REVIEW BY THE COMMITTEE PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN, THAT APPROVAL WITH ANY POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          LIKE WE'RE MEETING WITH A NEW APPLICANT ABOUT A WALK. 
          WE JUST WANNA MAKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN MINIMIZE A LOT OF THOSE CROSSINGS ON STREETS, IT JUST HELPS US WITH A STAFFING RESOURCE, BUT ALSO MAKES IT 
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SAFER. 
          THEY'LL HAVE THE EVENT AND THEN WE'LL DO AN AFTER ACTION REPORT. 
          GOOD. 
          BEAUTIFUL. 
          UM, AGAIN, CURRENT TIMELINE IS 30 DAYS, 60 DAYS, ONE 20. 
          WE'VE DONE 45 DAYS KIND OF AS AT MINIMUM PARADES RACES ARE STILL 60. 
          AND THEN THE EVENTS WITH ALCOHOL ARE 90. 
          JUST ABOUT THAT ONE 20 IS KIND OF EXCESSIVE. 
          I WILL SAY MOST EVENTS LIKE A WINE FESTIVAL, THEY'RE PLANNING THE DAY THAT THE EVENT'S OVER. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I, IT IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU, MOST OF THESE FOLKS HAVE ALREADY STARTED PLANNING. 
          THEY GOT THEIR DATES SET. 
          UM, BUT TO GET AN A, B, C LICENSE, YOU, I MEAN YOU DO NEED, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T NEED FOUR MONTHS. 
          14, 14 DAYS. 
          IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE APPLIED FOR ONE. 
          BUT, BUT THEY MAY HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          BUT THAT IS PART OF, I DO FEEL AS THE SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE, IF WE CAN HAVE SPECIAL AGENT THERE TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY GOT THEIR CONTAINMENT AREA SET UP, HOW ARE THEY GONNA BE IDING? AND IF THERE IS A PROBLEM IN THE AFTER ACTION, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          SO THIS IS THE FEE COMPARISON. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS MIGHT BE DIFFICULT FOR SOME. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER TRYING TO PROHIBIT EVENTS. 
          THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN EIGHT HOUR EVENT, WHICH CONSISTS OF A ONE HOUR SETUP AND A ONE HOUR BREAKDOWN AND A SIX HOUR TOTAL EVENT PRODUCTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, THEIR FEE WOULD BE IF THEY WERE CLOSING THE STREETS, UM, YOU KNOW, FULL, FULL CLOSURE OF $350. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          UM, UNDER THE UPDATED FEE SCHEDULE WHERE WE DEFINE HOW MANY HOURS THEY WOULD CLOSE THE STREET, HOW MANY HOURS THEY WOULD CLOSE THE GAZEBO. 
          AN HOURLY, A FLAT HOURLY RATE FOR POLICE PUBLIC WORKS, UM, YOU KNOW, TRASH CANS, UM, CONES AND BARRICADES. 
          OUR PD IS SPENDING HOURS TO JUST PUT UP NO PARKING SIGNS. 
          ALL YOU KNOW, IF, DO YOU NEED A MESSAGE BOARD? DO YOU NEED A LIGHT TOWER? DO WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT THE STREET SWEEPER AFTER THE EVENT? THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT RIGHT NOW THE TOWN IS SUBSIDIZING THESE EVENTS FOR. 
          SO THEN THIS NEW SCHEDULE, IT WOULD BE $2,700 FOR THIS SAME EVENT. 
          UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IS NOT COVERING ALL OF OUR COSTS. 
          THERE'S NO WAY. 
          BUT I DO FEEL THERE'S A JUMP. 
          BUT AS WE SAID, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE DO BENEFIT THE TOWN AND WE'RE TRYING TO SUPPORT THESE AS WELL, UM, TO BENEFIT OUR DOWNTOWN AND OUR RESTAURANTS AND THINGS. 
          SO THESE FEES WERE KIND OF MIRRORED AFTER OTHER LOCALITIES. 
          UM, THEY'RE KIND OF THAT AVERAGE RATE FOR POLICE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THEY OBVIOUSLY RUN A RANGE OF WHO THEY ARE, BUT THESE FEES DO PROVIDE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY FOR US. 
          AND THE EVENT ORGANIZERS, UM, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THAT LONG, UH, APPLICATION TIME, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALSO GETTING SOME BENEFIT DOWNTOWN. 
          IF YOU HAVE A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME FOR AN APPLICATION, THAT JUST MEANS THAT YOU HOPEFULLY ARE MARKETING YOUR EVENT LONGER TO BRING MORE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN. 
          IF YOU'RE SETTING UP YOUR BUDGET FOR YOUR EVENT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO RECOUP THESE COSTS. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HOPE THERE'S MORE PEOPLE COMING TO YOUR EVENT AND PARTICIPATING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BURNING OUT OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          'CAUSE EACH ONE OF THEM IS LIKELY GETTING OVERTIME, WHICH MEANS THEY'VE WORKED ALL WEEK AND, YOU KNOW, THESE EVENTS IN WHICH RIGHT NOW, AS AN EVENT ORGANIZER PAYING $350, IT MAY, YOU KNOW, MY EVENT MAY COULD BE ANOTHER EXTRA HOUR OR SO. 
          NOW YOU MIGHT BE CONDENSING THAT TIME TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH YOUR EVENT PRODUCTION AND YOUR ORGANIZATION. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA ASK A QUESTION. 
          SO FOR, I'M JUST, UH, LIKE MESSAGE BOARD MM-HMM . 
          LIKE LET'S JUST SAY I WAS PLANNING AN EVENT, RIGHT? AND I SAY, NOPE, I DON'T NEED THE MESSAGE BOARD. 
          DOES THAT MEAN I DON'T HAVE TO PAY THAT A HUNDRED DOLLARS? OR IS IT OH YEAH, NO, THIS WOULD BE, THIS IS JUST A GENERIC THIS WOULD, YEAH. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE AGAIN, LIKE CARD, THAT COMMITTEE'S GONNA COME IN AND WELL, IT'S ALL CARD, BUT SOME OF IT IS NOT IN THAT IT IS FLAT RATE. 
          FLAT RATE. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE A FLAT RATE. 
          WHAT YOU NEED, I, I THINK WHAT IT IS IS IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          IF YOU COME IN AND YOU SAID, I'M GONNA DO A 5K RACE, I DON'T NEED, YOU KNOW, ANY PD FOR THAT. 
          I CAN HANDLE THAT MY OWN, WHILE THE CHIEF'S GONNA SAY YOU'RE CROSSING COMMERCE AVENUE. 
          WELL JUST, I DON'T THINK WE'D, NO, BUT YOU'RE CROSSING THESE STREETS. 
          WE NEED, YOU KNOW, ROBBIE'S TEAM'S GONNA HAVE TO PUT OUT HOW MANY BARRICADES FOR THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING IN PD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING IN HARD BARRICADES WITH CRUISERS. 
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RIGHT. 
          THESE ARE THE THINGS, AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S, THAT COMMITTEE WILL BE DISCUSSING THOSE ACTUAL THINGS. 
          UM, WHAT'S NOT ON HERE IS FIRE AND RESCUE. 
          WE'LL MAKE SURE FIRE AND RESCUE IS AT THE TABLE. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA CHARGE FEE FOR THAT. 
          THEY CAN DEAL WITH THAT ON THEIR OWN. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S A COUNTY SERVICE. 
          BUT WE WANT THEM INVOLVED. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY IN, IN THAT ROOM. 
          BUT THAT'S GONNA HELP DICTATE SOME OF THAT. 
          AND THAT MIGHT BE SOME OF THAT, I WON'T SAY NEGOTIATION, BUT SOME OF THAT TWEAKING THESE EVENTS BECAUSE PICK CHEESE, IF YOU'RE SOME THINGS YOU DON'T, BUT SOME, SOME THINGS WE CAN'T CAVE ON EXACTLY. 
          MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE THE POLICE AND THEY MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE TRASH CANS, BUT MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ALL YEAH. 
          AND IT JUST DEPENDS. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, THE EVENTS OF ALL, BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO ROAD CLOSURES. 
          THERE'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE MUCH WIGGLE ROOM IN THE SECURITY AND SAFETY WE HAVE TO PROVIDE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, BUT LIKE THE PARTIAL STREET CLOSURE IS 50. 
          MM-HMM . 
          FULL STREET CLOSURE WOULD BE A HUNDRED MM-HMM . 
          PARTIAL STREET CLOSURE IS ONLY 50. 
          AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THE OLD ONE. 
          SO YEAH. 
          SO YOU CAN'T REALLY, WE DETERMINE YOU CAN'T REALLY JUST PARTIALLY CLOSE THE STREET. 
          YOU'RE EITHER CLOSING IT OR YOU'RE NOT. 
          UM, AND THEN IT'S PER THE HOUR. 
          SO, UM, WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THIS, WELL, I'M ONLY GONNA CLOSE IT FOR THIS AMOUNT OF TIME OR THAT, OR HALF THE STREET OR THAT IT'S EITHER YOU'RE CLOSING IT OR NOT, AND THEN YOU'RE EITHER CLOSING PARKING OR NOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND PARKING. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A BIG DEAL IF YOU'RE TAKING PARKING FROM DOWNTOWN. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, UM, IT, IT'S GONNA IMPACT OUR BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE THAT THE EVENTS ATTRACT BUSINESS TO OUR, UH, RETAILERS, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE COUNTER. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, SO THE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT'S A ES LIKE A, AN EXAMPLE OF THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING WITH THESE. 
          THAT WOULD BE A FOUR. 
          THAT'D BE EVERYTHING. 
          I MEAN ALL THE WAY UP TO THE RIGHT. 
          OH, THAT TOO. 
          SO THIS AS IF THIS IS AN EXAMPLE EVENT. 
          SO IF THEY WERE DOING A SIX HOUR EVENT AND IT WAS, BUT YOU HAVE AN HOUR FOR SETUP AND AN HOUR FOR BREAKDOWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH LIKE, THE REALLY LOW BUDGET, LOW ATTENDANCE EVENTS? I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, CANDLELIGHT VIGIL A NINE 11 CEREMONY. 
          SO A LOT OF THOSE DON'T REQUIRE REALLY ANY SERVICES. 
          AND THEY MAY CLOSE. 
          UH, FOR INSTANCE, UM, THE GAZEBO GATHERINGS, WHEN I TALK TO THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A, A COST ELEMENT TO IT, UM, FOR EACH TIME THEY DO IT. 
          BUT THEY DON'T CLOSE THE PARKING LOT. 
          THEY DON'T REQUIRE ANY OF OUR SERVICES. 
          THEY'RE JUST PAYING A FEE JUST TO UTILIZE THE, THE GROUNDS THEY DO. 
          WHICH WOULD BE LIKE HOW MUCH FOR LIKE THOSE LITTLE, BUT THAT WOULD BE GATHERINGS IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTENDED. 
          BUT I'M THINKING, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY WE HAD AT NINE 11, BUT I THINK THEY WOULD JUST BE PAYING THE APPLICATION FEE AND IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER SERVICES THAT THEY NEED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CLOSING ANY PARKING LOT OR ANY STREET. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT REVENUE GENERATING, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE SOME, BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THESE STILL REQUIRE YEAH. 
          I KNOW OUR GUYS TO COME OUT AND, YOU KNOW, TURN THINGS ON, TURN THINGS OFF. 
          AND AGAIN, WE ARE HOPING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PROCESS WITH THEIR EVENTS, UM, TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THEIR MARKETING STRATEGY AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN HELP PROMOTE IT THROUGH OURS. 
          IT MIGHT NOT BE A COST FOR US, BUT IF WE'RE JUST HELPING GET THE WORD OUT FOR THEIR PROGRAMS WOULD BE IMPORTANT. 
          ULTIMATELY, IT'S, UH, LOOKING AT THE COST IS COSTING THE TOWN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          VERSUS THE BENEFIT TO OUR CITIZENS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO RIGHT NOW THE FESTIVAL LEAVES JUST ON KIND OF STAFFING AND BARRICADES, ET CETERA. 
          THIS PAST YEAR WAS 5,500. 
          UM, THE WINE FESTIVAL ABOUT THE SAME. 
          UM, FRONT WORLD PRIDE IS A NOT A TOWN SPONSORED EVENT, BUT IT DOES CLOSE THE GAZEBO. 
          IT'S 4 75. 
          THAT'S HOW MUCH IT COSTS US. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE SEE A LOT OF NON-PROFIT OR LIKE RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS PER SESSIONS THAT EITHER CLOSE THE ROAD OR THEY USE OUR SIDEWALKS. 
          THOSE KIND OF AVERAGE AROUND $500 A PIECE. 
          AND SO COST TO US, YEAH. 
          THAT'S A COST TO THE TOWN RIGHT NOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE NOT PAYING. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE FEES FOR THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S, I'M HOPING THAT THIS ALSO DICTATES ABOUT WHEN THEY DO THEM AND HOW THEY DO THEM AND HOW LONG IT IS. 
          UM, BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE, LIKE I SAID, MORE ACCOUNTABILITY THERE FOR IT AND, UM, HOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL HELP WORK THROUGH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          JOE, ONE THING, AND I THINK IT'S COVERED SOMEWHERE IN THERE THAT I READ IT CURRENTLY, WHEN WE HAVE AN EVENT, YOU PUT THE 
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NO PARKING SIGNS UP. 
          IF WE HAVE TO TOW SOMEBODY, WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT. 
          THAT WILL BE CHANGING. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY TO TOW CAR. 
          I MEAN AS LONG AS WE'RE PUTTING UP THE PROPER SIGNAGE AND ADEQUATE SIGNAGE AND IT'S THERE IN ADVANCE NOTICE, UM, THE FOLKS WHO PARK THERE SHOULD KNOW. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR MOVING THEM. 
          THEY SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR PARKING THEIR CAR AND NO PARKING. 
          AND I WANT TO SAY TOO, AND KUDOS TO THE TOP OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THEY DON'T JUST GO WHERE THE CARS PARKED, HOOK IT UP AND GET OUTTA HERE. 
          I'VE SEEN THE OFFICERS DURING EVENT DOWNTOWN HAUL UNDER RED DISPATCH. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF, UH, SO AND SO JOSH INGRAM, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW WHERE JOSH IS? AND, AND YOU KNOW, GAME MOVES PARKED. 
          THEY MAKE THAT ATTEMPT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST, WELL, HE PARKED MORE THAN A TOW. 
          THEY MAKE AS MANY EFFORTS AS THEY CAN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THEY LOOK UP WHO IT IS AND MIGHT KNOW SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS SOMEBODY. 
          I, I THINK THAT THEY MAKE EVERY EFFORT POSSIBLE TO NOT TOW THEM, UM, KNOCKING ON THOSE APARTMENT WHEN THE EVENT'S GOTTA HAPPEN. 
          WE GOTTA GET IT OUT THE WAY. 
          ESPECIALLY WE SAW THAT AT THE CHRISTMAS PARADE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I NOTICED IT WALKING UP THERE. 
          KEY COMPARISONS THAT, THAT YOU HAVE ON HERE. 
          THEY ACTUALLY, THIS IS HOW YOU CAME UP WITH A CORRELATION BACK TO THE PRO PROPOSED FEES. 
          SO WE UTILIZED ONE, WE, HOW DID YOU, HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THE FEES? ONE, WE OBVIOUSLY WE LOOKED AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS NUMBER ONE TOO. 
          I MEAN, WHAT ARE OTHER PLACES CHARGING FOR THIS? ARE THEY CHARGING? SO I DON'T HAVE IT ON THIS SLIDE, BUT I HAVE, WE HAVE AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET, UM, THAT HILLARY HELPED ME WITH TO DEFINE WHAT OTHER LOCALITIES ARE DOING. 
          AND WE'RE BELOW MOST KIND OF LIKE OUR ELECTRIC RATES WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING IT A LITTLE BIT LOWER. 
          UH, BUT ALSO LIKE FOR POLICE, WE LOOKED AT WHAT THAT STAFF COST IS. 
          WE'RE STILL BLOW. 
          BUT THIS IS A GOOD KIND OF AVERAGE OF, OF WHAT A TYPICAL OFFICER MIGHT BE MAKING O LIKE NOT OVERTIME. 
          AND THIS IS AGAIN STILL LOWER, BUT AGAIN, JUST REALLY THAT COST OF SERVICE AND THAT TIME THAT'S ACTUALLY PUT INTO IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE NO PARKING SIGNS ARE, THERE'S NO COST TO IT. 
          SOME PEOPLE CHARGE PER SIGN. 
          WE JUST INCLUDED THAT INTO THE ACTUAL CLOSURE. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA PAY PER HOUR, THAT SHOULD HAVE OFFSETTED WHAT IT COST OUR GUYS LIKE A BARRICADE AND THE SIGNS THE BARRICADES WILL DO BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PHYSICALLY DRIVE ROUND, DROP EVERY ONE OF THOSE OFF AS WELL. 
          THEY CAN COME BACK AND PICK ALL OF THOSE UP AS WELL. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE, WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN REALLY INTO THE DETAILS AND GOT FINE TOO, BUT WE ALSO JUST KIND OF LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER FOLKS ARE ALSO CHARGING FOR SOMETHING SIMILAR. 
          'CAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO COMPETING FOR MAYBE OTHER EVENTS THAT MIGHT WANT TO COME HERE. 
          AND ULTIMATELY TOO, I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU AND I IN CUSTODY, SHE WAS LIKE SOME EVENTS, UM, THE ORGANIZERS ARE WORKING HARDER TO ADVERTISE IT, GET THE WORD OUT, GET PEOPLE DOWN THERE, UM, AND MAYBE OTHERS ARE NOT. 
          AND SO THIS GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE ORGANIZERS OF IT, TO NOT JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO NOT JUST, UH, TAKE, TAKE IT FOR GRANTED THAT THAT THE STREET'S GONNA BE CLOSED AND THAT THE, UH, PD IS GONNA BE INVOLVED IN PUBLIC WORKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          YOU KNOW? SO, I MEAN, I'M NOT, I I CAN'T THINK OF ANY PARTICULAR EVENT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT I THINK THAT'S HAPPENING. 
          BUT ALSO, UM, SOME OF LIKE THE ADVERTISING AND MAKING SURE PEOPLE KNOW AND GIVING US ENOUGH TIME COMES FROM SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR WHERE PEOPLE MM-HMM . 
          DIDN'T KNOW. 
          AND THEN THEY GET DOWN THERE TO MAIN STREET, WHETHER IT'S THE BUSINESS OWNERS THEMSELVES OR WHETHER IT'S CITIZENS THAT CAME DOWN TO DO SOMETHING, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE STREETS WERE CLOSED. 
          NOW CAN WE INSIST THAT IT, CAN WE GUARANTEE THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA READ EVERYTHING TO KNOW? NO. 
          I CAN TELL YOU IN MY LINE OF WORDS, THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN. 
          UM, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THEY'RE GETTING THE WORD OUT TO EVERYBODY AND, AND THAT THEY HAVE SOME, UH, RESPONSIBILITY WITH THE EVENT TOO. 
          NOT TRYING TO DISCOURAGE ANY EVENTS BECAUSE I'M, I, WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL TO NOW, THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE GOALS, THE FIRST COUNCIL THAT I WAS ON, WAS TO, UM, HAVE MORE EVENTS DOWNTOWN FOR OUR CITIZENS AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT EVENT IS, MAYBE YOU LIKE THIS ONE, MAYBE YOU DON'T WANNA ATTEND THAT ONE. 
          BUT JUST THAT WE HAVE A VARIETY. 
          AND I ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE THAT THAT HAS, THAT HAS HAPPENED. 
          I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVEN BEFORE COVID, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S WAY MORE TO 
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DO. 
          UM, PEOPLE ARE ENJOYING OUR BEAUTIFUL, YOU KNOW, JOHN MARLOWE PLAZA MORE AND MORE AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          BUT, BUT WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT A PUBLIC EVENTS POLICY, IT WOULD'VE HAD TO BEEN 2020 AND 2021 I THINK. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME JUST NO PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE WEREN'T HAPPY ABOUT IT. 
          SOME BUSINESSES AREN'T CRAZY ABOUT CLOSING THE STREET BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE IT DOES IMPACT THEIR BUSINESS NEGATIVELY AND OTHERS DO, YOU KNOW, SEE THE POSITIVE TO IT. 
          SO WE WANNA BE COGNIZANT OF EVERYBODY'S, YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERYBODY'S FEELINGS ON THAT AND, AND UM, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY BENEFITS FROM IT. 
          BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING REALLY TO JUST NOT HAVE OUR CITIZENS HAVE TO BEAR THE COST OF, UM, EVERY EVENT THAT, THAT MAYBE THEY WANNA BE A PART OF OR DON'T WANNA BE A PART OF. 
          SO, I MEAN, SOME OF THIS IS WITH TOURISM, BUT LIKE I, YOU KNOW, FEST THE BIG T YOU KNOW, WINE FESTIVAL AND THE FESTIVAL LEAGUE DEFINITELY AS A TOURIST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME FROM FAR AWAY, BUT NOT ALL OF THESE THINGS. 
          THEY'RE MORE FOR JUST, AND THEN JUST THIS JUST KIND OF WRAPS UP AGAIN, KIND OF WHAT THE SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE WOULD LOOK LIKE AND THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD PARTICIPATE. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A STANDING MONTHLY MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL SAY I EXPERIENCED THIS WHEN I USED TO WORK IN ARLINGTON THAT I WOULD HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF THIS COMMITTEE EVERY TIME WE DO AN EVENT. 
          AND IT WASN'T GREAT, BUT IT WAS ALSO VERY INFORMATIVE FOR ME AND THEM AND TO MAKE SURE WE WERE GOING EVERYTHING PROPER. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IF FOR SOME REASON AN EVENT WAS DENIED BY THE SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE, THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? SO THERE IS, UH, THEY CAN OBVIOUSLY APPEAL. 
          THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD, AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT'S HAP YOU COULD DO TODAY. 
          I DON'T THINK WE CHANGED THAT LANGUAGE MUCH. 
          THEY WOULD JUST APPEAL TO COUNSEL. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT THE SAME COMMITTEE THAT, YEAH. 
          AND AGAIN, I, I DON'T SEE THE COMMITTEE AS HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY REVIEW IT, GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          IT'S ULTIMATELY SIMILAR TO NOW I UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT PROCESS, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, INVOLVING PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE IN TOURISM OR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS OR STAKEHOLDERS, THERE'S A LOT OF POLITICS AND PERSONALITIES IN THE MIX. 
          AND SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT SUPPORT SOMETHING JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THAT. 
          AND THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO TRY AND KEEP IT RIGHT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS TO THE FACTS OF THE EVENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE PROPER NOTICE, MAKING SURE HOW, HOW IS IT IMPACTING OUR DOWNTOWN. 
          AND SOME OF THE OTHER FEEDBACK WE'VE SEEN OBVIOUSLY IS NOTICE MAKING SURE WE APPLY THESE RULES EQUALLY TO EVERYBODY. 
          THAT THERE IS NO, AND I CAN SAY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE ALREADY DENIED SOME BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET IT IN WITHIN 30 DAYS. 
          . 
          UM, I THINK THOSE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE HAD ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT NOISE, UH, DECALS, WHICH WE ARE, I GOTTA LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT. 
          NOT TO PROHIBIT ANY LIVE MUSIC OR THAT MIGHT CHALLENGE THAT. 
          UM, BUT THE BIG THING IS, WHAT I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT AGAIN IS, UH, IN A MINUTE, BUT, UM, MAKING SURE THOSE DECALS ARE MIGHT A LITTLE LOWER ON BUSINESS HOURS. 
          'CAUSE THOSE ARE WHEN WE TYPICALLY RECEIVE COMPLAINTS AND STUFF, VINEYARDS, IF THE MUSIC'S A LITTLE LOUD DURING WEEKDAY BUSINESS HOURS, WHICH MAKES SENSE. 
          'CAUSE SOME BUSINESS AREN'T CLOSED ON HOLIDAYS OR DIFFERENT EVENTS. 
          THE WEEKENDS AND AT NIGHT ARE A LOT DIFFERENT. 
          BUT, UM, YOU WOULD THINK THEY'VE COME FROM COMPLAINTS AT NIGHT, NOT DURING THE BUSINESS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK. 
          PEOPLE TRYING TO, SO JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, THIS COMMITTEE MM-HMM . 
          ARE WE, IS IT GONNA BE JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE WHERE PEOPLE OFFER TO BE ON IT? OR ARE YOU GONNA WELL THAT EACH, THE DESIGN, LIKE IF IT'S THE FIRE AND RESCUE, THEY COULD DESIGNATE IT'S KINDA LIKE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE AT THE, OKAY, SO PD, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, LIKE PD WOULD, LIKE, LISTEN, CAPTAIN SU WHO HANDLES THE ALL THE EVENTS, PUBLIC WORKS, BUT I MEAN THE OTHER PART, LIKE DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL REBA, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE  RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT INTERNAL AS MUCH AS WE CAN UNTIL WE GET THIS THING GOING. 
          AND I WOULD LOOK AT AND THEN MAKE SURE OUR MORE FIRST RESPONDERS, 'CAUSE PEOPLE BOOST AND THEN WE WILL THEN OPEN IT UP. 
          RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT'S HOW THE, THE POLICY OR THE CODE IS WRITTEN IS IT ONLY IDENTIFIES, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE TOWN, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, A, B, C, AND LIKE FIRE AND RESCUE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IT DOES AND IT OPENS UP, BUT RIGHT NOW I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AS, AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST TO VERIFY. 
          OH, I AGREE. 
          I'VE THINK GETTING 
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INPUT FROM OTHERS, BUT I DO THINK IT COULD GET TRICKY IF YOU'RE SAYING, BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A VARIETY OF GROUPS THAT ARE LIKE, WE HAVE DOWNTOWN, FRONT ROYAL, WE HAVE , WE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'RE, I DON'T KNOW, MERCHANT, I'M HOPING IT BRINGS IT ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PRIDE OR EGO OR A COMBINATION, BUT THERE'S SO MANY GROUPS DOING SO MUCH OF THE SAME THING WITH THE SAME GOAL IN MIND THAT IT'S SO REDUNDANT, IT'S UNSUCCESSFUL. 
          AND TO THAT EXTENT, I'LL SAY LIKE, I WILL GOOGLE WHEN I'M SCHEDULING A MEETING FOR PARTICULAR BOARDS OR OPENING DAY FOR LITTLE LEAGUES COMING UP, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THAT BOARD. 
          I GOOGLED WHAT'S HAPPENING IN FRONT ROYAL IN THAT DAY AND LOOK AT THE EVENTS THAT ARE POSTED. 
          LAST FALL, THE FESTIVAL LEAGUES WASN'T EVEN ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE AND SO, BUT YOU HAD REBA ADVERTISING IT AND THEN YOU HAVE, SO THERE'S JUST SO, AND THAT'S NOT A DIG AT THE TOWN OR THE TOWN STAFF, I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S SO MANY CHEFS IN THE KITCHEN THAT IT'S ALMOST INEFFECTIVE. 
          AND SO I JUST HOPE THAT THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE FOR SOME, LIKE I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO SITS ON LIKE ALL OF THOSE BOARDS, THE SAME PERSON. 
          AND SO I'M LIKE, WHAT'S THE POINT? CAN YOU GUYS NOT JUST LIKE, GET IN A ROOM AND COME TOGETHER AND BE LIKE, WE LOVE PRINT ROYAL, THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA SEE FOR IT. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO ME, BUT I'VE LIVED HERE MORE THAN FIVE SECONDS. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          UM, SO MAYBE WHEN WE DO GET TO A POINT WHERE IT'S COLLABORATIVE, WE CAN COMBINE HEADS AND THOSE GREAT IDEAS AND SEPARATE PERSONALITIES AND MAKE IT ALL SUCCESSFUL AND PEOPLE WHO WANNA GO CAN GO AND PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANNA GO STAY HOME OR GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          SO THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE, I HAVE A FEW EDITS I'D LIKE TO MAKE BASED ON SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING FROM SOME OF THOSE AND JUST OTHER THINGS WE'VE LOOKED AT. 
          AND THE HOPE THAT WE'LL BRING THIS TO YOU ON THE 2ND OF MARCH FOR, UH, CENTRAL REQUEST FOR ADVERTISEMENT FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT THE END OF MARCH. 
          AND I'M GONNA PREDICT YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE FEEDBACK BETWEEN NOW MARCH 2ND NOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE I KNOW THE LAST TIME WE, I I, I'M NOT EVEN SURE TINA MIGHT KNOW, I MEAN THAT THING DRUG OUT, I THINK IT WAS, I REMEMBER, YEAH, IT WAS DRUGG OUT AND DRUG OUT. 
          WHAT'D YOU SAY? IT WAS WELL ATTENDED. 
          YEAH, NO, WHAT I MEAN THOUGH IS THAT WE THINK, WE THINK WE HAD IT DOWN TO OKAY, WE THINK WE'RE READY AND THEN SOME MORE FEEDBACK AND MORE FEEDBACK AND I MEAN, I KNOW IT, I I'M NOT GETTING, I THINK IT COULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST A YEAR OF LIKE OF OF, SO, BUT THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE STARTING WITH ZERO. 
          LIKE THIS IS, WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE. 
          I DON'T KNOW FROM THERE, BUT WE'LL GET FEEDBACK IN BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH 2ND. 
          YOU'LL, AND I THINK TOO, LIKE ON THE FEES THEMSELVES, LIKE I MENTIONED THESE HAVE, THAT ORGANIZERS ARE ALREADY PLANNING AND PROGRAMMING THEIR EVENTS, SETTING BUDGETS AND THINGS. 
          SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION OF WHEN THAT FEE SCHEDULE IS ADOPTED. 
          I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY APPLYING FOR EVENTS THAT ARE IN THE FALL AND STUFF. 
          AND SO WE DON'T WANNA IMPLEMENT SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT. 
          SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS WELL. 
          I REMEMBER LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OLD DOCUMENTS FROM THE LAST TIME, IT TALKED ABOUT HAVING A SLIDING SCALE AND IT STARTED TO BE AT ZERO AND THEN WORK ITS WAY UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE EVER IMPLEMENTED THE ANOTHER PHASE. 
          THAT'S WHY WE WERE IN THE HALLWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS, I, I WOULDN'T LOOK TO DO THAT, BUT I DO WOULD THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW PEOPLE ARE BUDGETING AHEAD OF TIME AND JUST UNDERSTANDING. 
          BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I DO HATE. 
          THE IDEA OF NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE A POPUP EVENT, UM, IF YOU'RE NOT CLOSING DOWN A STREET. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I KNOW TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, COUNSELING OFF COUNCIL, LIKE DURING COVID I HELPED CO-HOST A POP-UP EVENT DOWN THERE. 
          WILDLY SUCCESSFUL. 
          SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE FROM CALL PEPPER WARRENTON PAGE COUNTY CAME TO IT. 
          WE HAD A REGGAE BAND OUT THERE JUST HAVING A GOOD TIME. 
          BUT I FEEL LIKE IT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES POP-UP EVENTS ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PLANNED FOR A YEAR. 
          YOU KNOW, LAST MINUTE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO. 
          IT'S A NICE DAY OUTSIDE WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          NOT LIKE THE SAME DAY, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT CLOSING THE PARKING LOT OR CLOSING THE STREET, I'D SEE IF ANYWHERE ELSE OFFERS LIKE POPUP EVENTS WITH LESS NOTICE. 
          WE, IT IS ANYTHING. 
          YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY, I KNOW WE'VE HAD THAT, THAT'S ONE THING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC EVENTS POLICY REPORT, IT'S UH, IT HAS TO BE SPONTANEOUS GATHERING, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YOU CAN'T, IF YOU START MARKETING THE EVENT, THEN, THEN IT'S ALL, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THE ONLY REASON I GOT AWAY WITH IT. 
          WOULD YOU CONSIDER SOCIAL MEDIA BEING MARKETING EVENTS? YES. 
          THE ONLY REASON I GOT AWAY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S LIKE A MONTH IN ADVANCE, CHIEF WAS THE CHIEF AT THE TIME AND PEOPLE CALLED THE COPS ON US AND THE ONLY REASON WE GOT AWAY WITH IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS DURING COVID-19 AND YOU COULDN'T PULL PERMIT. 
          AND HE POLITELY ASKED THAT WE DO IT ON COUNTY PROPERTY SO THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE TO RESPOND. 
          . 
          THAT'S A GREAT, 
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THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT. 
          WE, WE COULD DEFINITELY MARKET. 
          OTHER, OTHER OPTIONS. 
          ARE WEDDINGS AT THE CASINO, ARE THEY ON EVENT? SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY SPONTANEOUS MO THE EVENTS NOW HAVE TO BE PLANNED BY AN ORGANIZATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY KIND OF HAVE A SPONSOR. 
          UM, SO IF THERE ARE WEDDINGS HAPPENING, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT 'EM. 
          THEY'RE JUST SPONTANEOUS. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST RESERVING THEM. 
          I HAVE TO SPEAK AS THE GUY THAT DOES A LOT OF WEDDINGS DOWN THERE, SPONTANEOUSLY SPONTANEOUS, THEY GET THEIR LICENSE, THEY GET THE PHONE NUMBERS, HEY, CAN YOU MEET US INSTEAD OF GAZEBO IN 15 MINUTES OR CAN YOU MEET US THERE IN AN HOUR? YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S JUST A SPONTANEOUS THING. 
          I'VE ONLY DONE, I THINK ONE DOWN THERE THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN I, WHAT I CALL WEDDING ATTIRE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, MOST OF 'EM ARE AND MOST OF 'EM ARE FROM PENNSYLVANIA AND MARYLAND BECAUSE THEY GOT A SEVEN DAY WAITING PERIOD OF WELL THERE'S NO WAITING PERIOD. 
          SHOOT, MY GRANDPARENTS RAN INTO MARYLAND. 
          KEEP PARKING, DO YOUR DINNER, YOUR HUSBAND. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE THIS ON. 
          I REALLY DO. 
          WELL IT ISN'T THING. 
          YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT, I MEAN WE'RE NOT AT THE PLACE TO SAY MOVING HOME. 
          WE ARE. 
          I THINK THIS WAS THE DISCUSSION. 
          HE'S GONNA BRING IT BACK MARCH HE AND THEN, AND THEN AT MARCH 2ND. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IT ON MARCH THE SECOND SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN. 
          OH YEAH, I MEAN WE, I WAS, YEAH, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY I WAS ALREADY PUTTING IT ON MARCH 2ND, BUT OKAY. 
          BUT IF WE, BUT THEN AT THAT POINT IT'S STILL GOTTA BE A PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT? I'M SORRY? STILL GOTTA BE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          YES. 
          BECAUSE IT WILL BE AN ORDINANCE. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE COULDN'T DO IT AT THE END OF MARCH UNLESS ON MARCH 2ND WE HAD CONSENSUS TO PUT ON THE AGENDA. 
          THAT IS ENOUGH TIME FOR MARCH. 
          CORRECT? IT WOULD BE MARCH 23RD. 
          IF WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, MORE CONCERNS, MORE FEEDBACK, WE CAN ALWAYS FINISH IT OFF. 
          SEE YOU TOMORROW. 
          YES SIR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ARE AT THE ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          THE OPPOSED MEETING. 
          DO I HEAR A MOTION MADAM MAYOR, WE, I MOVE TOWN COUNSEL CONVENE ALO MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE. 
          ONE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING A PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE. 
          BUT SUCH COUNSEL, MORE SPECIFICALLY A, THE INSOLVENCY AND DISPOSITION OF ASSETS AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF FRONT ROYAL, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA, AND B, THE AMENDMENT TO THE VOLUNTARY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA REGARDING THE COMPROMISE FOR PILOT FEES AND LODGING TAXES ENTERED INTO APRIL THE 11TH, 2018. 
          AND NUMBER TWO, PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION. 
          CONSIDERATION FOR INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE BEING MOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY. 
          MORE SPECIFICALLY THE CLERK OF COUNSEL. 
          QUESTION SECOND. 
          WE DO HAVE A NEW ROLL CALL. 
          YES, I KNOW I KEPT WAITING. 
          THAT GONNA HAPPEN? THIS COUNCIL? YES. 
          COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON KING? YES. 
          COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. 
          COUNCIL WOOD? YES. 
          COUNCIL ? YES. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          VICE ? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST REAL QUICKLY, IF ANYBODY NEEDS A RESCUE BREAK REALLY QUICKLY, I WANNA.
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