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          GOOD DEAL. 
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WELCOME EVERYONE. 
          UM, THIS 
          [Liaison Town Hall on January 15, 2026.]
IS THE, THE TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING FOR JANUARY 15TH, 2026. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL, SO WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH I DO EVEN, WE'RE NOT DOING A ROLL CALL, IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY JUST HERE WHO'S HERE? LORI COER WITH THE TOWN FRONT, ROYAL MAYOR JOE , BOARD SUPERVISORS. 
          TINA PRESSLEY, CLERK OF COUNCIL, JOE PETTY, TOWN MANAGER, ATTORNEY CARTER, BOARD SUPERVISORS. 
          GREG, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M BRUCE RAPPAPORT, TOWN COUNCIL. 
          THANKS EVERYBODY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN HERE. 
          THE, THE, UM, THE ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORTH BY THE TOWN. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS ABOUT JOINT TOURISM. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE OCTOBER, UM, TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT TOURISM AND JUST THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE TOWN WAS INTERESTED IN COLLABORATING WITH THE COUNTY ON, IF NOTHING ELSE, JOINT MARKETING, JUST, UM, WE FEEL LIKE THE TOWN KINDA HAS, THEY HAVE THINGS IN PLACE. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THINGS GOING OR THE VISITOR CENTER AND JUST REALLY, I THINK THE WAY WE LEFT IT IN OCTOBER WAS, YOU KNOW, WAS THE COUNTY INTERESTED IN COLLABORATING? AND AT THE TIME, AT THAT MEETING, UM, THE SUPERVISORS THAT WERE PRESENT SUGGESTED THAT EACH OF OUR BOARD AND COUNCIL GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT LIKE WHAT WE WANTED THAT TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT KIND OF PLAN WE WANTED. 
          I DIDN'T REALLY THINK THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA THEN. 
          AND I STILL DON'T, OH, NOT, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO ALL GET TOGETHER, BUT JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD JUST DRAG IT OUT EVEN LONGER, YOU KNOW, TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE WANT. 
          SO I KNOW TOWN STAFF HAS HAD ALREADY, OUR STAFF HAD KIND OF GOTTEN TOGETHER, DONE, TALKED ABOUT LIKE A PLAN. 
          AND I BELIEVE MR. PETTY, YOU, YOU, YOU ALL HAD MET WITH SOME OF THE COUNTY STAFF, CORRECT? NO, WE COMMUNICATE WITH THE COUNTY STAFF ON TO COME UP WITH SOME POTENTIAL IDEAS AND I THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR A JOINT TOURISM EFFORT. 
          UM, SIMILAR, NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS KIND OF PROPOSED A FEW YEARS BACK, BUT, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS PREPARED TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO COME UP. 
          WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN, WHEN YOU SAY A FEW YEARS BACK THERE. 
          SO HISTORY TOWN COUNTY DID HAVE A JOINT TOURISM BOARD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT PATH TO GO. 
          I BELIEVE THEY EXPLORED IT. 
          THERE WAS LIKE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT ONES AND WE WENT WITH A DIFFERENT ONE AND THEN THAT DIDN'T, DIDN'T PAN OUT QUITE SO DO YOU WANNA YEAH, SO THERE WERE VARIOUS OPTIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED BY THE THEN JOINT TOURISMS COMMITTEE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT INTO THE PRESENTATION STILL AVAILABLE ONLINE. 
          AND THEY CHOSE THE OPTION TO JOINT FUND A, ESSENTIALLY A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT THAT CAME IN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A, STILL A GOOD IDEA, BUT THERE WAS ANOTHER OPTION IN THERE WHERE THE MONEY WOULD BE WORKED TOGETHER. 
          THERE WOULD BE A JOINT TOURISM COMMITTEE AND THEN A STAFF MEMBER. 
          AND I THINK AT THAT TIME IT WAS JUST DEFINED AS TOWN OR COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD DEFINE WITH , BUT IT WAS A STAFF MEMBER OF THE LOCALITY AND THE COMMITTEE WOULD HELP, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD, IT WOULD STILL BE JOINT FUNDED, KIND OF, UH, ADVISED BY THE COMMITTEE, BUT RUN BY OUR STAFF. 
          AND I SAY OURS WHO, WHOMEVER THAT. 
          AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A LOCALITY THAT WOULD BE THE FISCAL AGENT OF THAT DEPARTMENT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS AN OPTION I THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, A VIABLE ONE. 
          ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN EVEN AT THAT TIME HAD STAFF AT A VISITOR CENTER AND WAS DOING THAT. 
          IT'S JUST HOW DO YOU CREATE THAT JOINT MECHANISM. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA TRY AND REINVENT THE WHEEL. 
          WE'RE GONNA LOOK BACK AT WITH SOME OF THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES WERE THEN AS WELL. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I KNOW WE'VE ALL SAID THIS AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. 
          I'VE SAID IT, I, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT, PREVIOUS LIAISON MEETINGS. 
          I'M NOT SURE EVERY, I KNOW MR. HAW WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE, MR. CARTER, MR. COLORS WEREN'T THERE AT THOSE. 
          IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN ATTENDANCE, BUT THE COUNT, THE TOWN, BECAUSE WE ARE PART OF THE COUNTY, THEY MARKET BOTH, THEY MARKET THE, I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE A GOLF COURSE IN OR IN THE TOWN OF FARM ROYAL AND UM, SO, YOU KNOW, OR A WINERY, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THEY DO MARKET, UM, MARKETPLACES AND THINGS THAT ARE PART OF BOTH. 
          I KNOW LIKE IF YOU GOOGLE WARREN COUNTY, THERE ARE 
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LOTS OF WARREN COUNTIES IN, UM, IN THE UNITED STATES, RIGHT. 
          AND I KNOW SOMETIMES WHEN YOU LOOK, IT'LL COME UP LIKE, WARREN COUNTY SCHOOLS ARE CLOSED, IT'S NOT US. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S ANOTHER PLACE AND EVERYBODY GETS DISAPPOINTED, BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE FRONT ROYAL. 
          AND SO THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE'RE MARKETING FRONT ROYAL FRONT ROYALS INSIDE OF WARREN COUNTY, ANY DOLLARS THAT WE BRING INTO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL ALSO BENEFITS WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS JUST ANYTHING THAT I THINK WE COULD DO TO SAVE OUR TAXPAYERS MONEY, UM, IS ALWAYS A LOT. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK I FEEL LIKE WE DID IT ONE WAY, THEN WE TRIED ANOTHER WAY, THEN WE TRIED SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AND MAYBE THERE'S DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT THE TABLE NOW AND MAYBE THERE'S DIFFERENT PEOPLE WORKING ON IT. 
          AND MAYBE WE COULD TRY TO, TO FOSTER THAT KIND OF, AGAIN, ACTUALLY THERE IS A, A TOURISM COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT? THAT, UM, THAT, THAT IS, HAS REPRESENTATIVES FROM BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY WORKING ON IT. 
          SO WE, UM, IF ALL OF THAT FELL APART, AND I THINK SOME OF IT WAS OVER WHO'S GONNA BE THE FINANCIAL CONTROLLER AND WE ALWAYS KNOW THAT WHEN YOU GET MONEY IN THE PICTURE, IT, IT CAUSES ISSUES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          UM, SO IT SET ONE SPEC FELL APART, IT KIND OF SET DORMANT. 
          WE WERE MISSING OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, SAID, OKAY, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT I'M DOING, BUT I'M GONNA JUMP IN AND GET THIS COMMITTEE GOING AGAIN. 
          UM, MS. MEADOWS AND I MET, AND IN THE PAST YEAR IT HAS GROWN FROM THE PEOPLE THAT FIRST STARTED IT, UM, TO WE, WE LOOKED AT FIGURING OUT A FOUNDATION AND THEN BRINGING IN, UM, STAKEHOLDERS. 
          SO IT HAS GROWN TO ABOUT 20 PEOPLE NOW. 
          AND YOU DO HAVE, UM, JOE MET WITH US. 
          UH, MR. PETTY WENT WITH US AND WE DECIDED IN ORDER FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE JANE AND JOE TO TALK OR WHATEVER, THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE REPRESENTATION SO THAT IT WAS CLEAR THAT BOTH THE TOWN AND COUNTY HAD PEOPLE ON HERE AND, AND EVERYBODY WAS IN THE KNOW. 
          SO YOU HAVE MR. WOOD, UM, THAT REPRESENTS WAYNE, MR. WOOD. 
          YEP. 
          I REPRESENT THE COUNTY. 
          THEN YOU HAVE MS. LEWIS, UM, WHO IS YOUR TOURISM AND WHATEVER ELSE GOES TO HER LENGTHY TITLE THAT SHE DOES. 
          'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING SHE DOES. 
          YOU DEVELOPMENT . 
          YEP. 
          WOMAN EXTRAORDINAIRE IN THE TOWN. 
          AND, UM, IT HAS GROWN AND WE'VE WORKED VERY WELL TOGETHER. 
          AND AS FAR AS PARTNERING, PARTNERING WITH, UM, MARKETING, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT. 
          UM, WHEN THE TOWN CAN AFFORD A, A BUSINESS CARD SIZE ADVERTISEMENT AND WE GO TOGETHER AND WE CAN GET MAYBE HALF A PAGE. 
          SO IT WAS, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THERE'S LOTS OF WARREN COUNTIES, BUT I STILL ALWAYS FELT LIKE IF, AND THESE ARE TOURISM DOLLARS, SO WE'RE NOT, THIS IS MONEY THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME AND UM, STAY A NIGHT IN THE MOTEL AND THAT KIND OF THING, IT'S MONEY THAT'S COLLECTED AND THE STATE REQUIRES THAT WE USE THAT FOR TOURISM. 
          3% YOU GET PART OF IT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THE TOWN'S REQUIRED TO PUT IT INTO TOURISM. 
          AND WE ARE NOT BY STATE CODE. 
          THE COUNTY IS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WE ARE. 
          AND SO THAT IS MONEY THAT WE ARE USING TO ADVANCE PART OF THIS AND WE'RE BEING VERY FRUGAL WITH IT, BUT WE ARE WORKING COOPERATIVELY WITH TO, TO USE THAT TO HELP WITH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. 
          AND, BUT IT WAS, UM, DISCOVER FOR ROYAL, BUT YOU CAN DISCOVER FOR ROYAL WHILE EXPERIENCING WARREN COUNTY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT WAY THERE FEELS LIKE THERE'S ADVERTISEMENT AND YES, LI LIZZIE DOES A GREAT JOB OF ADVERTISING FOR THE COUNTY AND WE WANNA DO A GREAT JOB FOR ADVERTISING FOR THE TOWN AS WELL. 
          SO IT IS VERY COOPERATIVE WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, I THINK IF ANYBODY SAW THE PRESENTATION AT THE WORK SESSION OF THINGS AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THINGS THAT WE ARE GEARING TOWARDS THE VIRGINIA TWO 50. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND UM, REACHING OUT. 
          UM, MICHAEL WHITLOW IS WORKING AS FAR AS OUR MEDIA. 
          WE'VE GOT JULIE AND SHE'S GONNA BE JULIE GRAHAM FOR ME FOREVER, BECAUSE I CANNOT PRONOUNCE HER LAST NAME. 
          UM, JULIE HAS THE SKYDIVING, BUT HER EDUCATION 
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WAS IN MARKETING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO SHE'S OUR MARKETING, YOU KNOW, SHE CAN HELP WITH MARKETING. 
          WE HAVE MR. HENDERSON WHO'S OUR CLERK, BUT HE ALSO HAS HIS OWN DRONE BUSINESS. 
          SO HE'S GETTING LOTS OF PICTURES. 
          YOU KNOW, HE DOES JUST A PARADE FOR THE, UH, CHAMBER SO HE CAN, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS THAT HE GETS THAT ARE PROMOTING BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY WITH HIS NOW DRONE PICTURES. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WITH HOSPITALITY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE CROSS, WE'VE GOT THE LIBRARIES. 
          UM, AARON NEY FROM THE LIBRARY. 
          WE HAVE K TENANT FROM, UM, THE FOUR H CENTER BECAUSE THAT'S A JEWEL THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UH, LIZ FROM THE HERITAGE SOCIETY AND JAMIE MAY EVEN HAVE TO HELP ME 'CAUSE I ALWAYS LEAVE SOMEBODY OUT AND THEY'RE ALL SO VERY IMPORTANT. 
          BUT WE HAVE TRIED TO PULL AS MANY PEOPLE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE GLEN, UM, WHO IS A GREAT ASSET AS WELL TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          AND WE PULLED LIZZIE'S ON IT, CHAMBER'S ON IT. 
          WE'RE ALL WORKING VERY WELL TOGETHER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE DID NOT WORK VERY WELL TOGETHER WITH THE OLD PROGRAM. 
          SO, UM, THE OLD AND THE OLD JOINT TOURISM HAD, LIKE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT STAKEHOLDERS, I REMEMBER THE OLD, I'M SAYING LIKE, WHEN I FIRST CAME ON COUNCIL, THEY HAD TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WAS LODGING AND SOMEBODY THAT I REMEMBER AND LIKE THEY, THEY DID HAVE TO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES, BUT THERE WAS, BUT THERE WEREN'T AS MANY AS WHAT YOU'VE JUST NAMED LODGING. 
          YEAH. 
          MORE PEOPLE WAS BETTER. 
          LIKE WE HAVE 'CAUSE SHELLY, RICHARD APPLE HOUSE. 
          KATIE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT WAS EVEN BEFORE THAT BECAUSE WE DO, WE HAVE SHELLY COOK. 
          YEAH. 
          WE GOT LOTS OF PEOPLE ON THERE. 
          WE HAVE RICHARD RUNIN, WE HAVE, UM, KATIE FROM APPLE HOUSE. 
          WHO AM I FORGETTING? I'M FORGETTING SOMEBODY. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE ALL PART OF IT. 
          THE WHOLE THING. 
          NOT JUST FOR THE, NOT JUST FOR COUNTY. 
          THAT TWO 50, IT'S FOR, IT'S EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          SOME OF 'EM DON'T MAKE EVERY MEETING, BUT THEY'RE COMMITTED TO HELPING US. 
          AND UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY FROM CANOE? SO I WAS JUST THINKING WE HAVE YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, SAY THAT STATE PARK, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING. 
          YOU'RE COVERED. 
          SO JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, THERE WAS A TIME WHERE LIKE WE HAD A, WE HAD A STAFF MEMBER, IZZY, AND YOU ALL HAD A STAFF MEMBER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME NOW, BUT UH, LIKE, IS THAT IN THE PLAN TO HIRE A STAFF MEMBER FOR THE COUNTY TO OVERSEE TOURISM? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I'M, THAT'S WHERE I'M THINKING ABOUT MONEY SAY, RIGHT? LIKE IF WE, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN PLACE AND WE HAVE A MECHANISM IN PLACE, AND YOU'VE GOT THE COMMITTEE, BUT I WAS JUST THINKING LIKE, YOU KNOW, STAFF, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE A BIG GOVERNMENT HAPPENS. 
          YOU GOT A STAFF MEMBER, YOU GOTTA HAVE BENEFITS, YOU GOTTA HAVE AN OFFICE, GOT HAVE EQUIPMENT. 
          SO THAT, WE DID INTERVIEW FOR DIRECTOR, WE PICKED THE DIRECTOR AND THEN WE WERE TOLD WE COULDN'T HIRE. 
          AND THAT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING. 
          UM, ACTUALLY THE PERSON THAT WE SELECTED IS NOW DOING THE JOB AND DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB FOR NOTHING. 
          BUT I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET THAT FILLED BECAUSE, UM, IT'S, IT'S NEEDED. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID IN THE MEETING TUESDAY NIGHT, WE DON'T WANT TO TALK, TURN THIS INTO DOLLYWOOD OR BRANSON. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT. 
          AND THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT A CONTINUAL OCTOBER TO NOVEMBER TRAFFIC JAM LIKE WE HAVE FOR LEAF BEEPERS 12 MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. 
          BUT WE CAN DO THINGS TO BRING PEOPLE IN IN SMALLER GROUPS TO STILL BOOST, YOU KNOW, THE RESTAURANTS, THE SMALL BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET AND, AND ALL OF THAT WITHOUT OVERBURDENING. 
          AND I THINK THE THINGS THAT WE'VE LINED UP FOR THE VA TWO 50 ARE KIND OF LIKE THAT. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA HIT PEOPLE THAT LIKE THAT HISTORY TYPE THING. 
          AND UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT SO OVERWHELMING OR BIG EVENTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 10,000 PEOPLE HERE IN NO PARKING SPACES FOR 'EM. 
          UM, WELL THAT, I'LL JUST THROW THIS OUT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING IS LIKE IF, IF IT WOULD BE, IF, IF IT WOULD BE FINANCIALLY, UM, EFFICIENT OR, YOU KNOW, BETTER FINANCIALLY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, LIZZIE WITH THE TOWN IS, IS DOING THE JOB HAS PROVED HERSELF THAT SHE'S DOING THE JOB AND PROMOTING EVERYBODY. 
          MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE ADD, 
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YOU KNOW, STAFF, YOU KNOW, A PART-TIME STAFF TO HELP HER AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT TOURISM DOLLARS FUNDS, I'M JUST THROWING AN IDEA OUT THERE. 
          I THINK IF WE GOT OUR TOURISM DIRECTOR, THAT THAT PERSON AND LIZZIE COULD WORK WELL TOGETHER AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER. 
          BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE'S TIMES LIZZIE'S OVERWHELMED AND OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT ABOUT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF, IF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING PEOPLE WANTED TO DO. 
          I'M JUST SAYING WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HIRE EXTRA STAFF TO, TO UM, TO SUPPLEMENT WHAT'S ALREADY GOING ON VERSUS A WHOLE NOTHER POSITION. 
          BUT MAYBE THERE IS ENOUGH NEED FOR TWO POSITIONS. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S ALL JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. 
          I JUST TO THINK ABOUT, I I JUST THINK RIGHT NOW AFTER GOING THROUGH, 'CAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THAT FOR WHAT, TWO YEARS TRYING TO GET THAT TOURISM THING AND THEN, WELL THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WE GOING THAT AGAIN. 
          AND WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON WITH THE CONSULTANT, WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON DAB THAT PIECE OF IT, WHAT WE WERE PAYING THE CONSULTANT. 
          AND I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE GOT AS MUCH RETURN FROM IT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT WENT. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN THE WHOLE THING THAT DID THROW EVERYTHING UP IN THE AIR WAS, IT WAS ALL, ALL THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          IT WAS LIKE THE CONSULTANT WAS GONNA CONTROL THE VISITOR CENTER AND THAT'S WHEN TOWN OR MEMBERS THAT WERE ON THE TOWN, TOWN COUNCIL THAT NIGHT THAT SAID, THAT'S WHEN THEY BAILED BECAUSE THEY WERE LIKE, WAIT, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA TURN OVER, UM, THE VISITOR CENTER TO SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO ADD ON TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHEN IT ALL WENT, ARRIVED. 
          MAYBE WE COULD HAVE WORKED IT OUT, BUT I'M UNLIKE YOU, AFTER TWO YEARS EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, WE'RE DONE. 
          THIS IS, UM, WE'RE ALL WORKING SO WELL TOGETHER. 
          YEAH. 
          IT DIDN'T BROKE. 
          MY THEORY IS DON'T TRY TO FIX IT. 
          UM, JUST WANTED TO BE EFFICIENT THOUGH. 
          NO, I DO. 
          I I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          AND UM, AND I THINK RIGHT NOW IT IS, AND WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING, YOU'RE AVAILABLE. 
          IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME ZOOM WILL BE AVAILABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, TO, TO ACTUALLY SEE, AND I THINK YOU WILL SEE ONCE WE START KICKING OFF THESE PROGRAMS, UM, HOW WELL THAT WE HAVE ALL WORKED TOGETHER TO EXECUTE 'EM AND, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE BOTH IN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. 
          I, I WATCHED YOUR MEETING, IT LOOKED LIKE YOU GOT A LOT OF THINGS PLANNED. 
          I WAS TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH ALL OF IT, BUT I, AND ALL OF THAT WAS PLANNED WITH, UM, YOUR TOWN REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL. 
          SO IT, UH, IT'S, IT'S VERY MUCH A COOPERATIVE AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ADVERTISING I'VE LET THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, JANE AND LIZZIE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT. 
          AND UM, IT JUST MAKES SENSE WHY, WHY BOTH OF US GET A VERY SMALL AD SOMEWHERE WHEN WE CAN HAVE ONE JOINTLY AND HAVE A NICE AD. 
          SO MR. AND MR. CARTER, YOU ALL, WE, WE, WE'VE TALKED SO MUCH, BUT Y'ALL HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? ? NO, I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE THE COMMENT THAT, UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN OLD AFRICAN PROVERB. 
          IT SAYS, UH, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WALK TOGETHER, YOU GET THERE FASTER THAN WHEN YOU WALK, WALK ALONE MM-HMM . 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING, WORKING JOINTLY MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING UNTIL YOU GET A DIRECTOR WHO'S, WHO'S LIKE THE HEAD OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, MS. MEADOW. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SHE, HE US ALL ONLINE. 
          SO IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I KNOW THAT. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          A QUESTION. 
          UM, QUESTIONS DOWN FOR JUROR PULL UP NOW WANNA ASK LIKE, I THINK I WAS ALREADY ALLUDED TO THE STATE. 
          WELL, I THINK STATE COUNTIES WERE LIMITED TO 2% CENTS TAX AND THEY ALLOWED US TO DO THREE. 
          AND HOW HAD TO GO TOWARDS TOURISM? LIKE, I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU HAVE, YOU'RE NOT HAVE THOSE STATE RESTRICTIONS AGAIN THAT DAY. 
          YOU USED TO HAVE A TOWN FUND TOURISM VISITOR CENTER FROM THE TOWNS A TAX RIGHT. 
          TOO. 
          I MEAN, THING OF IT IS, IT'S CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE RIVER, WE GOT THE PARK, WE GOT THE GOLF COURSES. 
          MOST STUFF PEOPLE TO DO ARE OUTSIDE THE TOWN. 
          BUT THEN AS FAR AS  AND AS FAR AS, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, PLACES TO STAY, I THINK A LOT MORE OF THE HOTELS OR 
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WHATEVER IN TOWN. 
          AND THE OTHER THING TOO, WE WE'LL DO IS LOOKING IT UP, UM, I WAS DOING PAID, SO WHEN ASKED WHAT MY THOUGHTS WERE ON TOURISM, WELL I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR, UM, BUSINESS OWNERS, JOBS THEMSELVES, PROBABLY MINIMUM, MINIMUM WAGE. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE THING I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS FROM VIRGINIA TOURISM TO THIS CORPORATION, $88 MILLION SPENT IN, IN FRONT OF ORANGE COUNTY AND LIKE I QUOTED US SOME COMMON NUMBER LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS THE LATEST FIGURES. 
          I GOT THOSE FIGURES AND, BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY DO THAT. 
          FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEBODY'S NORTH FROM THE DRIVE AND THEY OUT AND FILTER TANK OR HUNDRED DOLLARS. 
          NO, I THINK THEY HAD NUMBERS TOO. 
          I THINK THEY SAID IT WAS LIKE IN DIRECT IMPACT REVENUE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          LIKE 1.2 MILLION AND THERE WAS INDIRECT COSTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          I TRIED TO CALL 'EM UP A COUPLE TIMES, BUT I JUST DON'T, HOW, HOW DO THEY KNOW IF SOMEBODY GOES INTO A BUSINESS THAT THEY'RE TOURISTS OR THEY'RE A RESIDENT, HOW DO THEY DIFFERENTIATE THAT CARDS AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO PROVIDE CONTEXT, IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, UM, THEY PRIMARILY USE MOBILE USER DATA. 
          SO THEY'RE TRACKING FROM THE TIME YOU LEAVE YOUR HOUSE TO THE WHEREVER YOU GO, ALL THE PLACES, ALL THE THINGS. 
          THEY DON'T DO AS MUCH WITH CREDIT CARD. 
          THEY DO SOME FOR SURE AND THAT'S HOW THEY GET A LOT OF THE SPEND. 
          BUT, UM, CREDIT CARD IS REALLY EXPENSIVE. 
          SO MOST OF THOSE PLACES, UM, MOST OF THOSE TYPES OF DATA COLLECTION USE MORE MOBILE USER THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE ARE CERTAIN BRANDS OF THE CREDIT CARDS THAT THEY CAN TRACK AND CERTAIN ONES THAT THEY CAN. 
          AND SO THEY, THEY'VE GOT A WHOLE PROSPECTUS ON HOW THEY DO THEIR DATA COLLECTION, BUT THAT'S THE PRIMARY DRIVER FIGURED BE SOME WAY. 
          SO GOOD TO KNOW TO GET ONE MORE ENTITY WATCHING OTHER BLUE REMAIN . 
          UM, YEAH, SO OUR TOURISM DEPARTMENT ITSELF, UH, BETWEEN OUR SALARIES AND OPERATIONAL IS 338,000 FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND SPECIAL EVENTS AND THAT'S, UH, SALARY AND OPERATIONAL IS ANOTHER 126,000. 
          SO I MEAN THERE IS SOME LITTLE OVERLAP THERE, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW AT THIS POINT HOW MUCH WE HAVE, HOW MUCH WE'RE GETTING BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH THE AUDIT, BUT HOW MUCH WE'RE GETTING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS FROM THAT LAUNCH TAX, HOW MUCH, UH, WE HAVE AND WE HAVE NOT SPENT. 
          SO I KNOW I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH TOURISM IS GOOD, BUT WE REALLY NEED OUR FINANCES, SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE, UH, AND GO THERE. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. 
          AND A BIG PORTION OF THAT IS SALARY, YOU KNOW, WHERE WHERE YOU HAVE STAFF AT THE VISITOR CENTER SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, UH, IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, THE SLOPE. 
          SO A BIG PART OF, YOU KNOW, THAT PROMOTIONAL COMPONENT IS JUST HAVING PEOPLE THERE TO RECEIVE THE GUESTS WHEN THEY COME IN. 
          THERE WERE TWO OTHER THINGS I REMEMBER. 
          UH, TOURISM IS ONE COMPONENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THAT NEEDS TO BE UNDER THE UMBRELLA. 
          I'LL MAYBE BRING THAT UP TOO. 
          IT, BUT THE OTHER THING TOO IS AS FAR AS STUDIES CONSULTANTS, IT'S EASY TO GET A STUDY DONE. 
          THE HARD PART GETS TO BE IMPLEMENTING IT IN A SENSE ON THE SHELF. 
          SO WHAT CAN I REMEMBER BEING IN THIS ROOM DON'T HOW MANY YEARS AGO IT WAS, BUT THERE WAS ANOTHER TOURISM STEADY CONSULT AND I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S WORTHWHILE DIGGING THOSE OUT AND LOOK AT IT. 
          OBVIOUSLY TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND THERE MAY HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT DIDN'T WORK THEN MAY WORK NOW BEFORE, BEFORE SPENDING MORE MONEY ON CONSULTANTS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, IF THEIR INFORMATION ALREADY THERE. 
          UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THOUGHT THERE. 
          AND I KNOW THE COUNTY'S GOT SOME TOO. 
          THEN I, I'LL BRING UP SOME OF THOSE WITH THE, AGAIN, IT'S NOT SO MUCH WHAT'S SAID THERE, BUT MAYBE MORE LIKE THE PROCESS COMES DOWN TO IT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'LL WE'LL COME BACK TO IT AGAIN. 
          DID YOU? NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT I, I, UH, ON A WEEKLY BASIS, I, I TEND TO GO DOWN TO THE VISITOR CENTER AND, UM, I JUST KIND OF LIKE HANG AROUND SEE, UH, THE ACTIVITY OF, OF PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE FOLKS THAT, THAT WORK IN THERE, REALLY, THEY TRY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE VISITORS THAT COME INTO THE VISITOR CENTER AND THEY, IF, IF IT'S, THEY COME IN THERE, THEY ASK ABOUT WINERIES, UM, AND THEY REDIRECT THEM TO THOSE PLACES, PLACES 
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TO EAT, IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT FRONT ROYAL PROPER. 
          UH, THEY, THEY DO, UH, REFER TO PLACES TO STAY EVEN OUT INTO THE, THE COUNTY LIKE, UH, THE DOUBLE TREE AND WHATNOT. 
          SO, UM, YOU'RE GETTING A PRETTY GOOD BANG OF THE BUCK. 
          AND WITH ALL THE ADVERTISEMENT THAT YOU HAVE OUT OF THE WASHINGTON DC AREA WITH THE SCIENCE OF FRONT ROYAL, UH, YOU KNOW, FRONT ROYAL HAPPENS BY DEFAULT TO BE THE BRAND, BUT THERE'S MORE TO FRONT ROYAL THAN JUST FRONT ROYAL. 
          THERE'S WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE IDEA OF WORKING TOGETHER IS, IS GREAT. 
          I KNOW THAT WINCHESTER AND FREDERICK COUNTY WORK TOGETHER. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, UH, DOWN, UH, IN ASHEVILLE, UH, IT'S A LARGER, UH, COMMUNITY DOWN THERE IN NORTH CAROLINA. 
          UH, ABOUT 95,000 PEOPLE. 
          BUT UM, UH, THE CITY OF ASHEVILLE WORKS WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY GET A LOT DONE. 
          SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE JUST ONE REAL QUICK THING. 
          MAYBE THIRD PARTY VENDOR BUSINESS KIND OF SLID AND I THINK THAT IMPACTED BTC OR WHATEVER BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE 66 FRONT ROYAL, YOU'VE GOT THE REST STOPS WHERE YOU'VE GOT YOUR BROCHURES AND I THINK THEY PULLED THOSE, ARE THEY GOING BACK IN THERE? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? WE NEVER LOST OUR ACCREDITATION NEVER LOST, WE NEVER LOST OUR ACCREDITATION. 
          THEY GRANTED US SOME GRACE ON THAT. 
          OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. 
          UM, BUT NO, WE, WE ARE STILL IN EVERY REST STOP IN EVERY WELCOME CENTER AND WE NEVER LOST OUR ACCREDITATION FROM 2008. 
          IS THIS LIKE ONE OF THE BEST ADVERTISING THINGS? YEAH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT ACCREDITATION. 
          THE DAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN AND THE WEBSITE AND ALL, ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          UM, BUT WE THANKFULLY, UH, WE NEVER LOST THAT, BUT IT WAS IN JEOPARDY WITH THE REDUCTION IN SERVICE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, THE NEXT ITEM WAS ABOUT THE TIPPING FEES UPDATE. 
          AND UM, I MEAN YOU CAN SEE IN THE SUMMARY, UM, AT THE END OF JUNE AND 2024, THE COUNTY, UH, VOTED TO START CHARGING THE TOWN RESIDENTS TIPPING FEES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SOLID WASTE THAT, THAT THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL TRANSPORT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS A SURPRISE TO US. 
          IT DEFINITELY HAD A FINANCIAL IMPACT. 
          TOWN CITIZENS FEEL LIKE THEIR COUNTY CITIZENS, CITIZENS, THEY'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE TRANSFER STATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO REALLY JUST WANTING TO KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE ALL'S BUDGET PLANNING IS UNDERWAY. 
          IS IS THERE THE POTENTIAL FOR AN INCREASE TO THAT FOR THIS YEAR? DO YOU KNOW? I WOULD HAVE TO BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE BUDGET. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA. 
          WELL, I JUST KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF THAT PART OF YOUR DEPARTMENT WERE, YOU KNOW, PUSHING FOR, FOR THE CHARGE IN THE FIRST PLACE, THE 240,000. 
          SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT, THAT, I MEAN I, I KNOW, I KNOW AT THAT TIME IN 2024 TRYING TO BALANCE YOUR BUDGET, THAT WAS TOUGH. 
          UM, AND SO I FELT LIKE THAT WAS, IT SEEMED LIKE THAT WAS AN EASY FIX TO ADD AND, YOU KNOW, TO, TO START CHARGING TOWN RESIDENTS THE TIPPING FEES. 
          SO I'M JUST WORRIED THAT THEY'RE GONNA SAY, OKAY, WE NEED MORE MONEY, WE'RE GONNA RAISE IT AGAIN BECAUSE OUR CITIZENS ARE ALREADY PAYING, THEY'RE PAYING THEIR, UH, THE SOLID WASTE FEE ALREADY FOR THAT SERVICE. 
          AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING OVER, 'CAUSE OUR CONSULTANT THAT WE HAD ALREADY SET A PRICE OF WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE, WHAT IT WAS GONNA, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF SERVICE FOR US. 
          AND THEN WHEN THAT CAME IN, LIKE I DON'T EVEN, JOE WASN'T HERE, BRUCE WAS, BUT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS WE WERE IN THE RED 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE WEREN'T CHARGING ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO MAKE UP FOR THAT AMOUNT. 
          SO JUST DO YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S TOO EARLY TO ASK YOU THAT, ISN'T IT? I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH, NO, NO, THAT'S OKAY. 
          I MEAN, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE STAFF'S BUDGET, UM, DOES NOT CONTEMPLATE THAT AN A AN INCREASE TO THAT TIPPING FEE. 
          UM, SO, UM, WE, WE AT THIS POINT PLAN TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD, NO INCREASE IN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THEN OF COURSE, YEAH, IT'S THEIR CHOICE. 
          YEAH, NO, I GOT IT. 
          I THINK TYPICALLY THE PREVIOUS, OBVIOUSLY COUNTY CHARGES FOR I THINK SOMETIME BACK, 
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YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO SLAP ME WHEN I KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE OLD DAYS. 
          BUT I THINK WHAT WE DID ORIGINALLY WAS, UH, WE STARTED CHARGING TOWN COMMERCIAL. 
          GREAT. 
          AND THEN LIKE I SAID, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, AND AGAIN, I KNOW TOWN CITIZENS OR COUNTY CITIZENS, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN, UM, WASTE IS WHEN DONE BY TOWN CITIZENS. 
          SO, AND I THINK, I THINK JUST ABOUT EVERY TOWN IN UH, OR I THINK ALL THE TOWNS IN CHANDRA COUNTY, INDIVIDUAL TOWNS PAY A TIPPING PIECE. 
          SO IT'S NOT THAT UNUSUAL. 
          IT COMES DOWN TO IT. 
          DO THEY ALSO PAY, SO THEY PAY THEIR INDIVIDUAL TOWN. 
          DO THE, DO THE TOWNS INDO COUNTY, ARE THEY MUNICIPALITIES THAT COLLECT THEIR WASTE OR IS IT PRIVATE? I I FEEL LIKE I REMEMBER STR PRIVATE. 
          YEAH, THEY'RE THEY WERE PRIVATE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT, RIGHT. 
          FOR THE PRIVATE. 
          SO, BUT THEY ALSO PAY FOR A LANDFILL IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE AS A COUNTY PERSON, THEY ALSO PAY FOR THAT. 
          WELL, WE, WE NOT ONLY HAVE PAGE COUNTY WHO DICTATES FEES TO US, UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE HAULERS WHO INCREASE THEIR FEES. 
          AND, UM, EVEN AS A, A COUNTY CITIZEN, IF I GO IN WITH, UM, A LARGE AMOUNT OF, UM, DEBRIS, IT HAS TO BE WEIGHED AND I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. 
          BUT NOT RESIDENTIAL TRASH THOUGH, RIGHT? LIKE I CAN GO TO THE COUNTY LANDFILL WITH THE SAME TRASH THAT I'M PUTTING OUT RIGHT AT THE CURB ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND I DON'T HAVE TO PAY, PAY ANYTHING FOR IT. 
          RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S, SO IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU TAKE AND HOW MUCH YOU TAKE THAT EVEN LIVING IN THE COUNTY THAT WE WOULD PAY A FEE FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          I JUST, THE ONLY REASON WHY I WAS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT AN ISSUE AT THIS POINT, BUT I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT GET TO A POINT WHERE THE TOWN STOPS SOLID WASTE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN FOR ONE, I WOULD NEVER BE IN FAVOR OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE CLEANLINESS AND THE LOOK OF THE TOWN, RIGHT? NOBODY'S GONNA WANT TO VISIT 'CAUSE PEOPLE WON'T TAKE THEIR TRASH . 
          UM, BUT THEN ALSO IT WOULD INVOLVE THE COUNTY PUTTING UP MORE CONVENIENCE SITES, WHICH WOULD THEN CREATE MORE EXPENSE FOR THE COUNTY CITIZENS. 
          BUT THEN ALL THE TOWN CITIZENS WOULD BE PAYING THE SAME AMOUNT THAT THE COUNTY CITIZENS WOULD BE PAYING AT THAT POINT. 
          SO LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE RIGHT NOW THAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO TO INCREASE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS FOR US IF IT STAYS THAT WAY. 
          YES. 
          AND I THINK, AND THERE AGAIN, I KNOW WHEN DID Y'ALL FIRST START THAT ? JULY 1ST, 2024. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING, I MAY BE MISTAKEN, IS Y'ALL KIND OF GOT SURPRISED MM-HMM . 
          OH YEAH. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, THAT COMES DOWN EVERYTHING, UH, IT'S LIKE A ROUTINE MOVE, BUT WE HAVE, HERE IS A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE MM-HMM . 
          SO WE HAVE TO STRENGTHEN THOSE COMMUNICATIONS ACCOUNT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE LIKE SURPRISES. 
          NO, AND WE HAD, AND I'M SURE YOU FOLLOWED IT, ALTHOUGH YOUR COUNTY CITIZEN, BUT UM, WE HAD JUST HAD A RATE STUDY AND SO THEY CAME IN AND TOLD US WHAT EACH SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE, THE FARM, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE FARM, BUT THE MANASA STREET THAT, UH, WE ALSO PROVIDE, UM, DOOR TO DOOR TRASH FOR CITIZENS WHO HAVE HEALTH ISSUES THAT CAN'T TAKE. 
          SO THEY TOLD US THIS MUCH OF THE, LIKE OUT OF THE $28, $4 OF IT IS THIS AND $5 IS THIS AND ALL THESE PARTS. 
          AND WE REALLY HAD TO MAKE A DECISION IF WE WERE GONNA KEEP PROVIDING ALL THE SERVICES. 
          AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THAT TIME SAID, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO PROVIDE EVERY SERVICE. 
          BUT IT WENT UP LIKE, I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE $11, IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT PER MONTH. 
          AND THEN, UM, I THINK YOU ALL VOTED ON THAT, BUT I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE JUNE 28TH, 29TH THAT YEAR. 
          AND SO, AND THEN IT STARTED JULY ONE. 
          SO YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          IT WAS THE SURPRISE AND WE WEREN'T PREPARED. 
          AND SO ANYWAY, AGAIN, AND I'M NOT, I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW THAT MISCOMMUNICATION, BECAUSE WHEN I ASKED ON MY SIDE, BECAUSE, UM, I WAS IN THE MEETING WHERE MR. WAL TOOK ME TO TASK OVER THAT. 
          UM, AND UM, SO I CHECKED WITH STAFF AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THERE HAD BEEN COMMUNICATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WENT UP THE LADDER FAR ENOUGH. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT, UM, THAT THAT'S THE FRUITS OF NOT DOUBLE CHECKING AND BEING VERY CLEAR ON COMMUNICATIONS AND UM, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATION IS WHAT IT'S, IT'S ONLY HOW WELL YOU USE IT. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL AWARE WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF THAT. 
          AND THE TOWN CITIZENS ARE ALL COUNTY CITIZENS TOO, SO 
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THAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THING THAT ALWAYS HAD TROUBLE GETTING MY HEAD AROUND WAS BEING A COUNTY, BEING A TOWN, YOU'RE A COUNTY CITIZEN. 
          IF YOU'RE A CITY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, IT'S IT YOU'RE YOUR OWN ENTITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT I I, YOU KNOW, I GET IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LANDFILL. 
          WE HAD A LANDFILL YEARS AGO, BUT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LANDFILL. 
          SO THE, SO IT HAS, SOMEONE HAS TO TAKE IT AND THERE'S A FEE TO DO THAT AND YOU'RE BEHOLDING TO WHATEVER BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE TO WHAT THEY WANT, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, UH, WHAT THEY DO DOWN IN THE CITY WHERE THERE'S HOAS IS BASICALLY IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE PRICE YOU WENT, YOU WENT, YOU WENT AROUND AND GOT BIDS MM-HMM . 
          AND, UH, AND WHAT THEY DO DOWN, DOWN IN LET'S SAY PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY OR WHATNOT IS, UH, THEY WORK OUT NEGOTIATING DEALS LIKE OVER TIME, LIKE MAYBE A FIVE YEAR DEAL, A 10 YEAR DEAL TO GET THE PRICE DOWN MM-HMM . 
          UH, AND THEN, AND THEN THE OAS JUMP TO THE GUY THAT GIVES HIM THE BEST DEAL. 
          BUT, UM, MY, MY MY QUESTION IS ON YOUR REAL ESTATE, UH, EITHER YOUR REAL ESTATE TAX BILL IN THE COUNTY, I, I CAN'T, OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING WHEN I GET A REAL ESTATE TAX BILL OR, OR, UM, YOUR, YOUR MONTHLY BILL THAT YOU MIGHT SEND OUT. 
          UH, IS THERE A, IS THERE A FEE? DO, DO YOU SHOW THE SOLID WASTE FEE CHARGES ON YOUR NO. 
          NO. 
          YOU SEE THAT, THAT THAT'S THE THING THAT I, I HAVE TROUBLE PERSONALLY, I HAVE TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING. 
          NO. 
          IS THAT IF YOU, I THINK THE TRANSPARENCY OF THAT IS KIND OF IMPORTANT. 
          IF YOU TAKE YOUR, UM, YOUR HOUSEHOLD GARBAGE MM-HMM . 
          TO THE CONVENIENCE SITE OR TO THE LANDFILL MM-HMM . 
          IF IT'S HOUSEHOLD, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET CHARGED ANYTHING. 
          IF YOU COME IN WITH CONSTRUCTION ITEMS, TIRES, UH, TVS, THAT KIND OF THING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE YOU GO ACROSS THE SCALES AND WEIGH IT AND IT'S SO MUCH PER THE WEIGHT, I DON'T KNOW THE WEIGHT NUMBERS OR THE SENSE PER THE, UH, THE WEIGHT. 
          AND THEN YOU PAY THAT RIGHT THERE AT THE, UH, TRANSFER STATION, UH, WEIGHT, UM, THE LITTLE BUILDING THERE. 
          UM, CONTRACTORS, IF THEY GO IN WITH BUILDING MATERIALS AND STUFF, THEY HAVE TO GO ACROSS THE SCALES, BE WEIGHED, DUMP IT, AND THEY PAY A, A FEE FOR THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT E EVEN SO, AND I, I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          EVEN SO IF YOU TAKE YOUR TRASH THERE AND YOU DUMP IT, IT ISN'T GOING INTO THE LANDFILL. 
          IT'S STILL GOTTA GO OVER TO PAY BATTLEFIELD OR WHOEVER IT IS OVER THERE. 
          SO EVERYBODY HAS TO BE PAYING THAT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING A TIPPING FEE. 
          MY, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS, WELL, FOR TRANSPARENCY, THE PUBLIC, THERE, THERE SHOULD BE A FEE CHARGE BUILT INTO, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, INTO EITHER YOUR TAX BILL OVER, OVER THE YEAR OR, OR SENT OUT IN, IN SOME KIND OF MONTHLY CHARGE. 
          LIKE WE, WE DID MONTHLY. 
          IT'S IN THE BUDGET. 
          WE WERE IN OUR LAST AUDIT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOW HOW MUCH IS ACTUALLY SPENT FOR MM-HMM . 
          LANDFILLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          BUT TO ACTUALLY, HOWARD, HOW DO YOU, MAYBE YOU'RE NOT SAYING THIS, BUT HOW YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU PUT WAY MORE TRASH THAN I DO. 
          SO DO YOU GET CHARGED MORE? NO, I THINK IT'S SPREAD OUT EVENLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL THEY CAN DIFFERENTIATE. 
          I I'M JUST, I, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR WHEN I, WHEN I LIVED DOWN IN, IN, UH, NORTHERN VIRGINIA, IS THAT ON MY, ON MY, UH, REAL ESTATE TAX BILL, I, I, I SAW A CHARGE SOLID WASTE CHARGE. 
          NOW DID THEY PICK UP YOUR, UM, TRASH AT THE CURB OR DID YOU TAKE IT TO A CONVENIENCE SITE OR THE LANDFILL? THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A LANDFILL CHARGE, BUT I DIDN'T TAKE IT TO THE LANDFILL. 
          THE LANDFILL IS DOWN IN, I THINK IT'S DUNFORD. 
          IT'S DOWN THAT WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK IF IT'S LIKE I WOULD GET CHARGED IF I TOOK TRASH DIRECTLY THERE. 
          CHARGE WELL CHANGED THAT OR, OR SUPERVISOR CARTER SAID AT THE TIME THAT THIS DECISION WAS MADE, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION WHERE THEY SAID, THIS IS HOW MUCH FOR THE BUDGET 
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AND THIS IS HOW MUCH THEY'RE CHARGING US, YOU KNOW, FOR A PAGE. 
          AND THIS IS HOW MUCH WE CURRENTLY HAVE BUDGETED FOR THAT. 
          SO WE'VE GOTTA RAISE IT BY THIS AMOUNT. 
          AND BASICALLY, AS I RECALL, I MEAN, I WATCHED IT MULTIPLE TIMES TO TRY TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO THE TOWN CITIZENS. 
          AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS YOU ALL NEEDED TO RAISE THAT BUDGET, THAT PART OF THE BUDGET, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. 
          AND SO INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT ALL ON ALL THE TAXPAYERS, YOU PUT A BIG PART ON THE TAXPAYERS. 
          AND THEN THE TOWN PAID 240. 
          I'M GONNA SAY IT WAS LIKE OVER 400,000. 
          Y'ALL NEEDED TO BALANCE THAT PART OF IT. 
          IT WAS FOUR OR SIX. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THEY, IF YOU WATCH THE SUPERVISOR, CARTER SAID THAT'S WHERE YOU'D FIND OUT LIKE HOW MUCH IS BEING, IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW HOW MUCH PAGE COUNTY IS GETTING PAID FOR THAT, IT'S IN THAT BUDGET, OR IT WAS, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER MIKE BARRY PRESENTING. 
          WELL, PART OF PART OF WHAT HAS STARTED, UM, IN THE COUNTY WHERE YOUR, YOUR TOWN PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UM, THE TOWN PICKUP, TRASH PICKUP IN HOLLY. 
          NOW THERE ARE PRIVATE IN, YOU KNOW, COMPANIES ALSO PICKING UP OUT THE COUNTY. 
          SO THEY'RE PAYING A FEE FOR THAT TRASH PICKUP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT TRASH HAULER IS PAYING A FEE TO DUMP. 
          YES. 
          SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, NOW WE'RE COUNTY PEOPLE ARE PAYING TWICE TOO. 
          'CAUSE THEY, IF THEY CHOOSE TO, YEAH. 
          IF THEY CHOOSE, IF THEY CHOOSE TO. 
          UM, AND I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE CONVERSATION TO GET IT ALL RIGHT. 
          I, I HATE TO SAY WHEN I'M NOT SOLID ON IT, BUT TRYING TO, EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS ALSO HARD TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, YOU'RE CHARGING THE COMMERCIAL 'CAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO CUT AND HOW MANY OF THE COMMERCIAL WERE MAKING IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS RESIDENTIAL? THAT WAS HARD TOO. 
          I THINK YOUR PEOPLE BROUGHT THAT UP, THAT THAT WAS A DIFFICULT THING TO FIGURE OUT MAYBE. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS THE, AND WE DIDN'T GO UP, UM, I THINK WE ONLY WENT UP ABOUT HALF OR SO IF WE DIDN'T TAKE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY THEY DIDN'T DO IT ALL FROM THE TOWN. 
          AND YOU DID SOME OTHER RATES. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING YOU COULD WATCH, YOU COULD WATCH THAT FOR THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S THE THING, IF YOU'RE A TOWN CITIZEN, YOU CAN'T OPT OUT OF YOU, YOU DON'T, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, LIKE IN THE COUNTY, YOU COULD CHOOSE TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME AND PICK YOUR TRASH UP THESE PRIVATE COMPANIES IN THE TOWN. 
          YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CHOICE. 
          NO. 
          YOU, WELL, I MEAN, YOU COULD, BUT DON'T PAY THE FEE. 
          YOU GOTTA PAY THE FEE NO MATTER WHAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU ARE, YEAH, IF YOU LIVE IN THE TOWN, I ACTUALLY HAD, YOU CAN TAKE LIKE A $2 LESS IF YOU WANTED TO GET A SMALLER TRASH CAN PER MONTH. 
          BUT THE, THE SAME, YOU KNOW, THE LARGE TRASH CAN, THE, THE BIG ONE IS, I, I WANNA SAY I BE 28 14 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND IF YOU GET THE SMALLER TRASH CAN, IT'S LIKE 26. 
          BUT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. 
          THEY HAVE TO PAY IT NO MATTER WHAT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          OH, AND I GUESS, UM, WHICH IS, I GUESS WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE COST OF GAS AND PUTTING NASTY STUFF IN YOUR VEHICLE, IT'S PROBABLY WORTH 28 BUCKS. 
          HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          LIKE I SAID, I WOULD NEVER BE IN FAVOR OF US NOT DOING THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD JUST NOT TAKE THE DRIVE AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A LOOK WE ANYBODY WANTS. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          THE, THE NEXT ITEM WAS THEDO BATTLE, SHENANDOAH VALLEY BATTLEFIELD FOUNDATION UPDATE AND THAT IT SAYS THE TOWN, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE AT THE LAST MEETING, THE COUNTY WAS ASKING US TO CHECK IN WITH OUR PEOPLE. 
          SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR MR. SHAW AND MR. CARTER IS THE CASE SPRINGS. 
          UM, UH, ONE OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEMBERS MET WITH THE CHINO VALLEY BATTLEFIELD ACTUALLY ALONG WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL MEMBER TOO, ABOUT, UM, THEM POSSIBLY TAKE, YOU KNOW, TAKING OVER MCKAY SPRINGS PROPERTY, UM, FOR, UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED? IT'S NOT ATURE ISN'T, IT'S, UM, WHATEVER. 
          LIKE IT'S A HOMESTEAD. 
          YEAH, NO, NO, IT IS, IT WAS A FORM OF TOURISM. 
          THEY SAID THEY TURNED DOWN INTO A BATTLEFIELD. 
          IT WAS, AND I THINK IT WAS JUST LIKE HISTORICAL TOURISM. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, YEAH, THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD, THAT IF THEY TOOK IT OVER THAT THEY COULD, UM, PEOPLE WOULD COME AND VISIT THERE ANYWAY, REGARDLESS. 
          UM, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE TOPIC AT THE TIME. 
          AND SO THE LAST MEETING, THEY 
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ASKED IF THE TOWN WAS WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND MEET WITH CHANO VALLEY BATTLEFIELD FOUNDATION TO HEAR WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING. 
          AND SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES, TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM. 
          HOWEVER, I JUST WANNA BACK UP ABOUT THE CASE SPRING A LITTLE BIT AND I'M ACTUALLY GONNA ASK MR. PETTY TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CASE SPRINGS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, ABOUT THE, THE, WHAT WE ALWAYS SAW OF THE TOWN COUNTY'S VISION AND WHAT WAS GONNA, YOU KNOW, WHERE PURPOSES FOR HOLDING ON TO THAT. 
          NOT MR. GARTER. 
          WERE YOU ON TOWN COUNSEL WHEN THE WHOLE FIGHT WENT ON OVER THE, WHO WAS GONNA GET, OR THAT WAS BEFORE YOUR TIME, WASN'T IT? NO, THAT WAS ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME. 
          USED TO GO GROCERY STORE. 
          DAD USED TO ACTUALLY, BUT ANYWAY, UM, THE END OF SPRINGS, AND I THINK I, THE OWNER AT THAT TIME MAY HAVE APPROACHED THE COUNTY, PURCHASE IT FOR COUNTY GET WATER BUSINESS AND GUESS THE TOWN WE HAD ONE GOAL AND ONE GO COUNTY WATER BUSINESS. 
          SO, AND I THINK HAD LIKE A MILLION GALLONS COMING THROUGH, COULDN'T USE ALL OF IT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THAT KIND OF, IT WAS LIKE 1995, A 20 YEAR ORDER PLAN AND MILLION GALLONS. 
          AND I THOUGHT AT THAT TIME, WELL, WHENEVER YOU ALL COULD BUILD QUARTER BUSINESSES, SOME, SOME OF THIS TOO. 
          SO THAT WAS THE PLAN SINCE THAT TIME. 
          UM, OF COURSE YOU HAD, WHAT WAS IT, UH, WHAT WAS THE HOUSE UP NOW? LIKE? OLDEST HOUSE, GAY HOUSE. 
          THE GAY HOUSE AND OF COURSE HAD, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY PURCHASED WHEN YOU HAD THE, UH, THE TRAILER PARKED THERE TOO. 
          AND THEN UP THERE OUT THE COUNTY PURCHASED THAT SURROUNDING THERE. 
          AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE IT LEFT OFF. 
          WE HAD TURNED IT OVER TO THE UDA KIND OF MARKET IN IT, BUT THERE'S THE TOWN AND COUNTY JOINTLY OWNED BOTH THOSE PROPERTIES NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S FOUR PROPERTIES. 
          ONE IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY, ONE IS OWNED BY THE TOWN, TWO ARE JOINTLY OWNED. 
          THERE WAS A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT DONE AT ONE TIME. 
          WE DID SOME LAND SWAPPING AND BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT DURING THAT POINT. 
          UM, AND YES, BEFORE THE TOWN PURCHASED THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY, THERE WERE SOME CONTINGENCIES THAT WE HAD TO PROVE THAT IT WOULD PRODUCE SO MUCH WATER OUT OF A CASE SPRING. 
          SOME NEW STUDIES WERE DONE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING ON THE PROPERTY AND IT HAD SPECIFIC GOALS. 
          UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF ROAD WORK DONE THERE. 
          OBVIOUSLY THE REALIGNMENT OF ROCKLAND ROAD, RELIANCE ROAD, UH, SOME WIDENING TURN LANES THERE WAS TO PROTECT THE MCKAY HOUSE. 
          UH, ROBERT MCKAY HOUSE WAS ALSO TO PROTECT THE SPRING FOR THE TOWN FOR ANY POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE TOWN DOES PROVIDE WATER TO RESIDENTS IN THE COUNTY AND BUSINESSES IN THE COUNTY. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY PROTECTING A WATER SOURCES IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING WAS THEN WHATEVER WAS REMAINING, UM, WHICH THE MOU AND THE PROPERS OF THE REZONING PUT A HALF ACRE BUFFER AROUND THE MCKAY HOUSE. 
          UM, AND THEN WHATEVER WAS REMAINING WOULD BE SOLD FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THAT TIME. 
          THAT WAS THE GOAL. 
          THAT WAS THE MOU AND THAT WE WOULD JOINTLY PURSUE THAT EFFORT. 
          AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS 2011. 
          THE LAST TIME THAT MOU WAS UP YOU THAT WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          AND THEN WHEN I FIRST CAME ON COUNCIL IN 2020, I, I, THEY WERE MARKETING IT THEN 'CAUSE WE HAD A POTENTIAL BUSINESS AND THEN THEY PULLED OUT. 
          AND SO I KNOW WHEN MR. PAY WAS ACTUALLY WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH THE EDA, THEY WERE STILL MARKETING THE PROPERTY. 
          SO, AND THEN THERE WAS STUFF GOING ON WITH THE HOMESTEAD. 
          SO I KNOW THAT THAT KIND OF THREW SOME, A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TAKE ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THE TOWN OVERALL WAS STILL INTERESTED IN MARKETING THAT PROPERTY. 
          BUT WE ARE WILLING TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEDO BATTLE, HUNDO VALLEY BATTLEFIELD FOUNDATION WANTS TO TALK ABOUT WITH THAT. 
          BUT I AM GONNA ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          IF THEY WERE TO TAKE OVER THAT LAND, WOULD THEY PAY TAX? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? BECAUSE AREN'T THEY A NONPROFIT? THEY PROBABLY ARE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO, AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S ANOTHER THING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY EVERYBODY WANTS, 
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YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROPERTY GO BACK IN THE TAX ROLLS NOT TO BE TAKEN OFF THE TAX ROLLS OR TO HAVE NO, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WERE TO BE DEVELOPED AS A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE COUNTY WOULD BENEFIT FROM THAT. 
          WHICH AGAIN, THE TOWN CITIZENS ARE ALL . 
          SO IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR, FOR EVERYBODY. 
          BUT, UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN CHARGE OF SETTING UP THAT MEETING, BUT AT THE LAST MEETING WE WERE ASKED WOULD WE ENTERTAIN MEETING WITH THEM? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL. 
          'CAUSE YOU ASKED . 
          I I WOULD LIKE TO, IF WE DO THAT, TO MAYBE HAVE THAT A JOINT BECAUSE UM, I KNOW THERE WAS SOMETHING SAID ABOUT RESTORING THE MCKAY HOUSE AND I HAVEN'T PHYSICALLY BEEN BACK THERE, BUT MR. PATTY DID SHOW ME PICTURES. 
          IT'S A PILE OF ROCKS. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT'S REALLY RESTORABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT JUST UP THE ROAD IS THE OTHER MCKAY HOUSE AND I THINK JOE, YOU TOLD ME THAT'S CALLED FAIRVIEW. 
          YEAH, THE FAIRVIEW HOUSE, THE, UH, THOMAS MCKAY HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT FOR MOST PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE ANYWAYS, AT THE TIME, PROPERTY THAT USED TO BE, UM, CALLED THE ROCK HOUSE AND IT WAS, THEY SOLD CARPET, STONE HOUSE, STONE HOUSE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND UM, CISCO BOUGHT ALL THAT PROPERTY, BUT THEY GAVE THAT, UM, FENCED IN THE HOUSE AND SOME FENCED IN LAND THERE. 
          UM, TO ME THAT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS CHANDLE VALLEY, UM, BELLVILLE ASSOCIATION IS AWARE OF THAT, BUT THAT HOUSE IS STANDING AND THAT COULD BE RENOVATED AND, UM, A HISTORICAL LANDMARK TO DO SOMETHING WITH. 
          I, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR THE HOMESTEADERS. 
          UM, BECAUSE THERE'S PARKING THERE. 
          UM, YOU COULD USE THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE OR PUT YOUR WEARERS OUTSIDE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE BATTLEFIELD OF WHAT THEIR VISION OR WHATEVER WOULD BE. 
          AND IT'S SITTING THERE, IT'S GONNA FALL DOWN AND, AND GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK. 
          UM, SO I LIKE TO PUT THAT ON THE RADAR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BOTH, UH, THE REST OF THE COUNT, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, 'CAUSE IT WAS GIVEN TO THE COUNTY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IT'S JUST SITTING TO MAKE IT LIKE A, THE VISITOR CENTER OR WHATEVER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT WAS THE PLAN. 
          BUT I THINK THE VALUE ABOUT, BECAUSE THERE IS A OUT THERE, BECAUSE DURING THE, UH, 63, 2 OR 60 OKAY. 
          WHEN THEY LEFT, I THINK THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY JACKSON'S RIVER'S TROOPS, THAT WAS LIKE THE LAST STOP HEADING OUT OF MM-HMM . 
          SO THERE IS ONE OF THOSE CHANDRA VALLEY BUTTON DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          AS FAR AS THE TRAILER AND AS FAR AS EVEN BACK TO THE, UH, THE, WHEN MCKAY SPRINGS ALL THAT PROPERTY, RIGHT NOW, NOT ON THE TAX ROLLS. 
          AND I THINK AT ONE POINT I REMEMBER HEARING A BUSINESS TOO, IT WAS GONNA COME OUT THERE MM-HMM . 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IN THEORY, DEPENDING WHAT THE BATTLEFIELD FOUNDATION WANTED TO DO, THAT COULD BE ANOTHER TOURISM ATTRACTION. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, AND THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION, MAYBE ASK IT TOO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS DO THEY HAVE AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE BATTLE PARK WORLD TRAIL WITH ALL THE PACKERS AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T, DO YOU GET MUCH INPUT FROM PEOPLE ON THE CIVIL WAR? WE ACTUALLY DO GET A FAIR AMOUNT OF HISTORY TRAVELERS. 
          UH, BUT OF COURSE THE CIVIL WAR TRAILS ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS A WHOLE NETWORK OF FOLKS, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO, OF COURSE I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS, BUT, UM, TO THE GOOD OF THE GROUP. 
          SO THOSE, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY OWN AND OPERATE THOSE INFORMATIONAL SIGNS. 
          UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT, WHAT, 10 HERE IN THE COUNTY, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE THE ONES WHO MAINTAIN THOSE AND MAINTAIN THE STORIES AND DO THE MARKETING AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO THAT'S A SEPARATE 5 0 1 C3. 
          WE PAY A MEMBERSHIP TO BE A PART OF THAT. 
          THE TOWN PAYS THE MEMBERSHIP TO BE A PART OF. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          DOES THE COUNTY, DO Y'ALL HAVE TO DO THAT TOO? AT THIS TIME? WE, THE TOWN ARE PICKING UP THE BILL FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OH, I GONNA SAY WE WERE LONG, BUT , IT'S, UH, I'M NOT SURE, UH, UH, I BEL I BELIEVE EACH SITE IS ABOUT $300 A YEAR APPROXIMATELY, SO IN CASE SPRING. 
          SO ANYWAY, WE, WE WOULD BE WILLING TO MEET WITH THEM 
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AND HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. 
          I FREE, I FEEL LIKE RICH CREATED A PRICE THEN. 
          LIKE DIDN'T YOU? WELL, DIDN'T THEY QUOTE LIKE A PRICE LIKE THEY BOUGHT FROM US FOR LIKE $3 MILLION OR, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT WAS A DEFINITE NUMBER. 
          IT JUST WAS RIGHT. 
          THERE WAS A NUMBER. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THAT SOUNDS ABOUT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S NOT A GREAT, UM, I MEAN ANYBODY. 
          OKAY, THAT'S WONDERFUL. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, IS THAT THAT'S A ONE TIME MONEY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET VERSUS IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO MM-HMM . 
          TO, TO, UM, GENERATE. 
          BUT I, BUT I AM A HISTORY PERSON TOO, SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT, I, I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE WORRIED THAT WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP THAT AND IT'S GONNA IMPACT WATER. 
          LIKE I, I THINK THAT'S THE REAL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THE REAL STORY, UM, BEHIND ALL OF THIS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN THE LAST WATER STUDY THAT WE HAD WITH MCKAY SPRINGS, I FORGET HOW MANY, WHAT DID THEY SAY THEY THOUGHT THE AMOUNT OF WATER WE COULD GET FROM THERE. 
          IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T LIKE WHAT TONY JUST SAID. 
          I WISH. 
          BUT WHAT I, I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          I CAN'T, I TOP HEAD, I THINK IN ORDER FOR US TO PURCHASE IT, I THINK IT HAD TO PRODUCE OVER 700,000 GALLONS A DAY OR SOMETHING. 
          IT WAS, YEAH. 
          I MEAN IT WOULDN'T PROVIDE, IT'S, IT'S AN EMERGENCY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WOULD BEEN A, IT'S NOT SAVING US FROM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD STILL NEED TO FIND ALTERNATIVE SOURCES. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE A PRIMARY ALTERNATIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          OUR CONSULTANTS SAID LIKE, WE PUT A PACK GOODING PLAN. 
          IS THAT WHAT I'M SAYING? IT WAS LIKE A PACKAGING PLAN, BUT HE SAID THAT, THAT ACTUALLY WE, MAYBE WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF DOING WELLS THAT WE'D BE GETTING. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE WOULD BE SOME TESTING THAT STILL HAVE TO BE DONE TO RELEASE. 
          SO ANYWAY, SPEAKING OF WELLS, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE NEXT TOPIC. 
          DO YOU GUYS HAVE AN UPDATE ON YOUR WELL, ORDINANCE, I'M ASKING THIS, BUT I'M GONNA BE FULLY TRANSPARENT. 
          I WATCHED Y'ALL'S MEETING , SO I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          I, I FELT DIDN'T Y'ALL TALK ABOUT IT? NOT TUESDAY NIGHTS, IT WAS LAST WEEK. 
          SO I THINK, UM, I DON'T THINK Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA NOT VOTED ON IN DECEMBER. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S, YEAH. 
          AND IT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT BACK UP AT THIS TIME. 
          MY ONLY THOUGHTS ON THAT IS, UH, WILL, WILL, WELL NO, HUMOROUS. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          I TOLD I KID THE OTHER NIGHT WATCHING Y'ALL'S MEETING, I WAS LIKE, HE BRINGS A LOT OF FUN TODAY'S MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I TOLD RICH THAT, YOU KNOW, I WAS CERTAINLY MORE THAN WILLING TO BRING THAT IN THE AGRITOURISM ORDINANCES BACK TO THE TABLE AND THEY'RE GONNA HIT A FEW BUMPS. 
          BUT, AND THEN AT THAT SAME MEETING, IF YOU WATCHED IT ALL, UM, WE HAD SOME FOLKS UP ON HIGH TOP, UH, AND THEY'RE ALREADY HAVING DIFFICULTIES WITH THEIR WELLS AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING ANOTHER 60 HOMES UP THERE AND IT'S NOT JUST THERE. 
          THERE'S OTHER A MOUNTAIN FUND. 
          UM, SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND, AND I THINK STAFF IS LOOKING AT THAT NOW TO SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE FROM A STANDPOINT IF THERE'S REALLY MUCH WE CAN DO BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN PLATTED OFF AND IT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          USE, AND AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORY. 
          I KNOW, UH, MOST OF THE SUBDIVISIONS OUT, WELL THE FARMS, WHEN THEY FIRST FLATTED OFF IN THE LATE SIXTIES AND AT THAT TIME THE COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ZONING. 
          SO THEY WERE OUT THERE IN MID-WINTER, FLAT EVERYTHING OFF, AND MOST OF 'EM WERE HALF ACRE LOTS IN THE MID NINETIES. 
          UH, JOHN RIZZO, I THINK HIS NAME, COUPLE SCHOLAR STATES, THEY GOT TOGETHER AND PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UM, ENCOURAGE THE COMBINING OF HALF ACRE LOT OR QUARTER ACRE, LOTS AND A HALF ACRE. 
          SO THAT'S BEEN BENEFICIAL. 
          SO NO, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND IT'S JUST LIKE WHAT THE 2040 SECOND THING ON OUR AGENDA, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          WELL THE, AND THE, THE ONLY REASON WHY THE TOWN TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE LAST LIAISON MEETING, THE ONLY REASON WHY IT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS BECAUSE THAT IF IT WAS PA IF IT WERE TO BE PASSED, THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY NO ALLOWANCE OF INDUSTRIAL WELLS. 
          SO ANY OF THE, UM, INDUSTRY IN THE CORRIDOR WOULD'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PUT IN AN INDUSTRIAL WELL, WHICH MEANT THAT THE ONLY WATER, THE ONLY ABILITY TO HAVE ANY WATER WOULD'VE TO COME FROM THE TOWN. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY IT WAS, I WON'T SAY ANY OF OUR BUSINESS, BUT I'M SAYING THE ONLY REASON WHY WE WERE INTERESTED TO HEAR, LIKE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MEAN THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO GET THEIR WATER FROM THE TOWN AND, AND THAT'S, THAT PUTS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PUTS US, WE'RE SELLING MORE WATER, BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE NO, NOTHING'S GOING ON, RIGHT? I TURN THE CORNER. 
          DO 
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YOU HAVE TO TAKE DAMN ORDER OR THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO DO A WELL, CURRENTLY THEY CAN DO A WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THIS WOULD, BUT THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU ALL, THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU ALL WAS BEING PROPOSED TO YOU ALL AT THE TIME WAS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A CHOICE. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE TOWN WATER, RIGHT? ISN'T THAT WHAT IT SAID? RIGHT. 
          WANTED TO DO AWAY WITH ANY POSSIBILITY OF YEAH. 
          ANY POSSIBILITY OF THEM PUTTING THEIR OWN WELLS INDUSTRIAL. 
          IT WAS INDUSTRIAL SCALE WELLS AT THAT POINT, I BELIEVE. 
          AND IT'S BEEN SOME TIME THAT THE ZONING FOR THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR A PUBLIC SHARED OR PRIVATE WATER, WHICH WOULD MEAN A WELL CURRENTLY. 
          SO, UM, THE TOWN CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH, UM, WATER AND YOU CAN DO YOUR OWN SEWER, BUT IF YOU USE, IF YOU NEED TOWN SEWER, YOU HAVE TO TAKE TOWN WATER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I THINK THAT'S THE THING TOO, AS WE GO FORWARD, YOU HEAR THIS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE TOWN WATER WITHOUT TALKING TO YOU GUYS FIRST. 
          WHAT'S GONNA BE THE PART, THE FINAL ARTICLE? AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW. 
          LIKE WHEN YOU ALL ARE PROVEN BUSINESSES OUT THERE, OR NOT WHEN YOU'RE IMPROVING, BUT YOU'RE CONSIDERING THEM, THEY'RE COMING TO THE TOWN AND WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR CAPACITY AND WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN. 
          SO, BUT IF THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO UPDATE ON THAT. 
          ALL, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT WHOLE COMMUNICATION EARLIER, IF, IF THAT DOES COME BACK ON YOUR RADAR, NOT THAT I WON'T, I WON'T WATCH THAT MEETING, BUT JUST KIND OF KEEP US IN THE LOOP IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT WILL, UH, MEAN THAT THE TOWN WOULD BE, HAVE MORE WATER CUSTOMERS, I GUESS. 
          BEST WAY TO SAY. 
          WELL, THE OTHER THING TOO, MAYBE ON THE WATER, I'M NOT IN FAVORING THAT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. 
          I BEGAN TO GET THE WATER BUSINESS BECAUSE ONE THING, AS I LOOKED ON THE INTERNET, SO, YOU KNOW, IT HAD TO BE TRUE , UH, FOUR GALLON WATER TREATMENT PLANTS, IT'S GONNA COST LIKE $15 MILLION. 
          AND WE, WE CAN'T RUN LINES EVERYWHERE, BUT, AND WE LOOKED AT THAT TOO. 
          I LOOKED AT TOWN, LOOKED AT IT SOMETIME BACK, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THE TOWN NEEDS ANOTHER WATER SOURCE TOO, BECAUSE I THINK YOUR GRANDFATHER, HE TOLD ME BACK IN THE THIRD, WALTER DUNCAN MM-HMM . 
          HE TOLD ME THAT BACK IN THE THIRTIES HAD A MAJOR DROUGHT WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY WALK ACROSS THE RIVER AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN IN MANDATORY, VOLUNTARY SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. 
          SO YOU'RE ONLY NEED ANOTHER WATER SOURCE TOO, IN MY OPINION. 
          YOU KNOW, ROCK AND CO MAYBE BE THE FIRST ONE TO LOOK AT. 
          WE LOOKED AT IT INITIALLY, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TOO THAT, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL HAVE LOOKED AT IT OR WANT TO OR WHATEVER. 
          WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCES. 
          UM, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION BY OUR CONSULTANT BEFORE I CAME, UH, TO THE TOWN, BUT SHORTLY BEFORE AND IDENTIFIED MCKAY SPRINGS QUARRY OPTIONS, UM, WINCHESTER, YOU KNOW, TYING IN TO THE WINCHESTER STATION AND, UM, REGIONAL. 
          AND SO WE'RE EXPLORING WE, AND WE HAVE, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS THAT WE'RE IN THAT PROCESS. 
          NOW WHAT ABOUT THE QUARRY OUT THERE? REDERICK COUNTY, IF THEY GETTING LIKE A BILLION GALLONS OR SOMETHING, BUT I THOUGHT THEY HAD SOME ISSUES. 
          THEY HAD ISSUES WITH IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S BACK ONLINE. 
          OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR IS AWARE OF, OF THAT. 
          BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THE COUNTY MIGHT HAVE EVEN TAKEN TOURS WHEN THEY WERE ABOUT TO OPEN THAT ONE. 
          I THINK WHEN THEY STARTED IT, THERE WAS SOME ISSUES AND THEY HAD TO SPEND SOME MORE MONEY. 
          BUT I DO BELIEVE IT'S OPERATIONAL NOW THAT WHERE YOU COME DOWN FROM THAT TO GATE YOU ALL'S LINES AS A BACKUP SOURCE WHERE ARE THE BIG ISSUE. 
          CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          AND IT'S AS, UH, MAYOR C**K ALLUDED TO, AS WE REVIEW OUT OF TOWN UTILITY APPLICATIONS, WE'RE CONSISTENTLY UPDATING OUR AVAILABLE CAPACITY NUMBERS. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT CONSTANT CONTACT WITH PLANNING ZONING AT THE COUNTY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE VERY COGNIZANT AND WE ARE, WE'RE MAPPING BACK ALL OF OUR WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS BACK TO THE, UH, 2000 TO MAP THAT OUT TO SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          AND, UM, IT'S CONSISTENT, YOU KNOW, THESE PATTERNS ARE CONSISTENT. 
          WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THAT DROUGHT PATTERN FOR SURE. 
          AND THAT, AND THE THING ABOUT THE WATER TOO, UH, OR JUST WHAT YOU MENTIONED THAT I WILL SAY THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S BEEN A HEAVY DUTY TOPIC WHEN THE TOWN COUNCIL WIND WITH SOME OF THE INDUSTRIES THAT HAVE BEEN COMING IN AND THEY'RE, AND IN SOME CASES THERE'S BEEN A MIX, LIKE I HAD TO BREAK THE TIE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A MIXED DECISION. 
          AND PART OF THAT IS PEOPLE WANTING TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA USE IT FOR. 
          BUT 
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AS WE KNOW, LIKE WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A PAD OR YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPER, THEY'RE, THEY JUST WANNA KNOW CAN THEY GET WATER TO THE BUILDING? AND THEN I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GONNA MARKET IT, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT, UM, BUT THE LEASES THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, TO DO, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS HOW MANY GALLONS YOU CAN GET A DAY. 
          AND SO THAT'S, BUT, BUT I JUST WILL SAY THAT'S, THAT'S DEFINITELY BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN CONTENTIOUS. 
          YES, IT HAS. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE ALL NEED IN, WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT INDUSTRY'S GONNA BENEFIT ALL ALL OF US. 
          SO I CAN, I I DO, I DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, I THINK IT WAS, UH, SUPERVISOR, UH, JAMESON'S POINT ABOUT THE, UH, PUTTING A MORATORIUM ON, ON, UH, ANY, WELL IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE OUT AROUND THE ROCKLAND AREA, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN END UP, YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA BE DRAWING DOWN OTHER PEOPLE'S WELLS FOR INDUSTRIAL, UH, BECAUSE YOU CAN, INDUSTRIAL CAN PULL A LOT OF GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY. 
          SO, UM, I'M NOT SO SURE. 
          THAT MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME. 
          SO, UM, THE NEXT ONE WAS, UM, DISCUSSION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          DURING THE LAST LIAISON MEETING, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL SHARED BY THE COUNTY REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS SHARED BY THE COUNTY, BUT SHARED BY AN, UM, SUPERVISOR COUNTY, RIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A WHOLE THING OR IF IT WAS SOMETHING. 
          ANYWAY, ARE THERE ANY UPDATES REGARDING THAT PROPOSAL? I, MR. CARTER AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, I BROUGHT IT UP, I THINK TO A COUPLE OF YOUR COUNCIL PEOPLE AND, UH, THE FACT THAT BOTH OF OUR EDS ARE STAGNANT. 
          THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DO ANYTHING. 
          AND YES, THERE'S A LOT OF UNHAPPY HISTORY, UH, SURROUNDING EDA AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US SIT DOWN AND TRY TO BRING IT BACK TOGETHER. 
          FORGET THE PASS WATER IS DONE, FLOAT UNDER THAT BRIDGE, WHO OWES WHAT, WHO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO JUST BE BYGONES AND THEN START AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NEITHER ONE OF OUR EDS IS ABLE TO REALLY FUNCTION WELL TO BRING POSITIVE THINGS INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND WHEN IT WAS DONE WELL BEFORE ALL THE UGLINESS STARTED, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS CAME. 
          I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THE BUSINESSES OUT IN THE CORRIDOR, SO IT, IT CAN WORK WELL AND ALL LET YOU TAKE IT FROM THERE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT MUCH MORE HISTORY WITH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, FURTHER BACK THAN I DO. 
          BUT I JUST, I FEEL LIKE WE LEAST NEED TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION OF HOW WE CAN GET BACK TOGETHER AND START WORKING TOGETHER BETTER. 
          AND MY KNOWLEDGE GOES BACK TO THE LAST CENTURY. 
          UM, BUT, AND THEN IT IS SOME OF THE HISTORY TOO, IT USED TO BE WITH THE IDA, WHICH IS ACTUALLY HAS A STATUTE OR WHATEVER THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY SPLIT THE COST 50 50. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, YOUR GRANDFATHER DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS RIGHT. 
          SO WE DID A, A STUDY, THE STUDY SAID 72 28 BECAUSE YOU'RE THE TOWN CITIZENS PAYING THEIR COUNTY SHARING THE WHOLE THING. 
          SO WE ADOPTED THAT AND I THINK WE LIMITED THE, UM, I THINK BEFORE, I THINK THE COUNTY PICKED FOUR AND THE TOWN PICKED THREES AND THEN WE CHANGED IT TO TOWN PICKED TWO, WE PICKED FIVE. 
          AND THEN SOMEWHERE AROUND 2011 OR SO, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THOUGHT THEY DIDN'T NEED TO PAY ANYTHING FOR THAT. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, OF COURSE WE JUST, WE GO THE PROPERTY UP THERE, GO GET PROPERTY SAFE FARM OR SOMETHING AS 400 ACRES ON THAT FLORIDA. 
          BUT THE TOWN I, IT'S CHANGED MUCH. 
          Y'ALL HAVE ABOUT 1500 ACRES UNDEVELOPED. 
          YOU GOT THE TEX PROPERTY, YOU'VE GOT, UH, POSSIBLY , HAPPY CREEK. 
          UH, YOU MAY ALSO BE ABLE TO, THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY I THINK BEHIND HAPPY CREEK INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THAT. 
          BUT UH, ANYWAY, IF THERE'S A PROPERTY THERE TOO. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHO COMES INTO TOWN OBVIOUSLY HELPS THE COUNTY WHO COMES INTO THE COUNTY OBVIOUSLY HELPS THE TOWN CITIZENS AS, UH, TAXPAYERS. 
          AND I THINK MR. MCDO, WELL, YOU, YOU REQUIRE THAT 
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TOO. 
          BUT MR. MCDOOGLE, I THINK HIM AND HIS, UH, MEMBERS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB. 
          I THINK MR. NOVAK AND HIS PEOPLE ARE DOING A GOOD JOB, BUT THERE'S NO STAFF PEOPLE TO CARRY THIS OUT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED IN MY OPINION. 
          AND AGAIN, UH, I THINK WE, LAST YEAR PROPOSAL SPENT HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          LIKE, LIKE MS CALL SAID. 
          AND THERE WAS SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP BEFORE THAT, AFTER ECS CLOSED IN 89 OR SO, IT WAS A TREMENDOUS BURDEN ON THIS COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK THEY MAYOR THE UH, UH, CITIZENS GROUP WAS CALLED THE COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTION COMMITTEE. 
          AND THEY SPENT LIKE SIX MONTHS OR SO LOOKING AT IT IN VERY, VERY MUCH DETAIL. 
          AND I THINK YOU, UH, MISUNDERSTOOD WHEN I MENTIONED THAT TO SOME PEOPLE, AND IT WASN'T BROUGHT UP WITH THE DETAILS, THEY SAID, WELL THAT'S 30-YEAR-OLD INFORMATION. 
          THAT DOESN'T DO US ANY GOOD. 
          IT'S NOT THE INFORMATION I WAS DISCUSSING, IT WAS THE PROCESS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE, UH, DONE AND I THINK AFTER THEY DID THAT AND SHORTLY AFTER THEY HIRED ANOTHER DIRECTOR OR WHATEVER, AND THAT'S WHEN GORDON FLORE AND FAMILY DOLLAR, UH, AMONGST OTHERS. 
          BUT THERE WAS THE OTHER ONE IN 1993 THAT WAS PROBABLY FROM THE PLANNING, UH, THE COUNTY'S PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THERE WAS THE WARREN COUNTY STRATEGIC PLANNING PARTNERSHIP AND THE PEOPLE HELPED GUIDE THAT. 
          I DUNNO IF THEY'RE STILL AROUND OR NOT, THE CENTER OF RURAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THEY'RE STILL AVAILABLE. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THERE, THERE'S THAT STUDY LIKE I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE IN SOME THESE STUDIES. 
          UH, THEN IN 2019, DID YOU THERE WHEN THEY DID THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR WARREN COUNTY? I THINK THEY DID IN 2018 FROM THE COUNTY UHHUH. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS LIKE RIGHT WHEN THAT STARTED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT WAS VISION. 
          SO LIKE I, THERE'S A LOT OF VISION AND STUFF OUT THERE AND JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT WE SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, ON THE SECONDARY SPRINGS AND ALL THESE THINGS. 
          AND I THINK THE ONLY WAY YOU MOVE FORWARD IS TO HIRE A, UM, DIRECTOR, UH, SECOND DIRECTOR REGIONAL CALL. 
          BUT THEN BEFORE YOU GO THERE, YOU HIRE A CONSULTANT AND MAYBE THEY DO SOME OF THE SAME THINGS OR JUST START UP A CITIZENS COMMITTEE WITH THE TOWN AND COUNTY BUSINESSES RUNNING THE SPECTRUM. 
          RETAIL, UH, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRY IN THE MEANTIME, FOCUS ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANYBODY, ANY BUSINESSES IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, 12 MONTHS GET LABOR. 
          WELL, WELL THE OTHER THING, BY HAVING THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTIVE, AND YOU PROBABLY DID THIS, YOU WORK CLOSELY WITH, UH, BEP WE HAVE ON , BUT, UH, VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP AND THEY HAVE CONTACTS ALL THE TIME. 
          AND THEN ANY KIND OF PAR LESSON, WELL THIS HERE BE A GOOD FIT FOR YOU ALL GOOD FIT FOR FREDERICK OR WHATEVER. 
          AND THAT WAY WE WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT I DON'T EXPECT ROB OR RICK TO HAVE THE TIME TO MAKE THAT OVERTURE TO THEM. 
          SO THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO, WE NEED TO BRING IN AS MUCH INDUSTRY, PARTICULARLY AND COMMERCIAL AS FOR ALL OF THEM, UH, TO HELP THROUGH, THROUGH THE, UH, RELIEVE SOME OF THE, THE BURDEN WE HAVE ON OUR, UH, CITIZENS AS FAR AS THEIR TAXES AND ALL. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE ARE, OR AT LEAST THE PEOPLE SITTING HERE I'LL SAY ARE OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, TO COLLABORATE. 
          SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING TOO, EVEN ABOUT THE REGIONAL COMMISSION, BUT I DON'T, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A DIFFERENT STRATEGY THAN WHAT THAT THE REGIONAL COMMISSION IS JUST ANOTHER RESOURCE THAT THESE BODIES CAN USE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND, AND TO ELABORATE ON SUPERVISOR CARTER'S COMMENTS TOO, IN ADDITION TO BRINGING NEW DEVELOPMENT, WE NEED SOMEBODY TO REALLY HELP STRENGTHEN OUR EXISTING ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUSINESSES AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THEY DON'T LEAVE OR CLOSE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S AS, AS IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, AS BRINGING IN NEW INDUSTRY IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALSO LACKING BY NOT HAVING STAFF IS BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION OF OUR, OUR CURRENT BUSINESSES. 
          HELPING THEM FIND WHAT'S OUT THERE TO HELP SUPPORT THEM WITH EXPANSION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT. 
          UM, AND IT'S, I THINK IT NEEDS THIS VERY WORTHY OF A CONVERSATION. 
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UM, AND EVEN BRINGING THOSE TWO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ENTITIES TOGETHER WITH US AND JUST HAVING THAT CONVERSATION OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY FEEL THIS ALL COULD WORK AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          WE NEED, UH, THE TOWN IN PARTICULAR NEEDS TO SOME SIGNIFICANT FOCUS ON REDEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF OLDER STRUCTURES HERE THAT, UM, IF, UH, THERE WERE INVESTMENT INTO THAT AND THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY WERE BROUGHT UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS, IF YOU WILL. 
          UH, THERE MAY BE MORE INTEREST TO MARKET THOSE THINGS AS A, AS A TAG SITE FOR, FOR NEW BUSINESS. 
          UH, IF YOU DRIVE AROUND TOWN, UH, WE'LL SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          UH, SO, UH, THERE, THERE'S CERTAINLY, I I COULD, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE IMPORTANT POINT IF YOU'RE WORKING TOGETHER, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TOWN DOESN'T GET LOST IN THE, IN THE CONVERSATION. 
          UH, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          WELL, DEFINITELY BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TWO PIECES DO A TWO PIECE PUZZLE. 
          YEAH. 
          IF WE DON'T WORK TOGETHER, BOTH OF US FAIL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WHO ARE WE FAILING? BUT THE PEOPLE THAT PUT US HERE TO HELP MAKE THINGS BETTER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA DO OUR JOB AND, AND COOPERATE AND LISTEN AND WORK TOGETHER. 
          WE JUST DO. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN WE HAVE THIS OLD, NOT IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT WE HAVE THIS OLD HOSPITAL THERE THAT JUST SITS NO LONG, THE LONGER A BUILDING SITS AND DOES NOTHING TO BRING IT BACK. 
          TAKES A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S THE FOCUS THAT, UH, I, I PERSONALLY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT THAT? AND I KNOW, SO FREEDOM, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL OURS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THEY STARTED OFF BY LIKE SERVING BUSINESSES AND DOING THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, I MEAN, TO BE FULLY TRANSPARENT, I THINK THEY HAVE FELT LIKE THEY WERE, UM, WEREN'T ABLE TO DO MUCH 'CAUSE WE WEREN'T PROVIDING A LOT OF FUNDS FOR IT. 
          AND, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT MAINLY 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FUNDS. 
          WE JUST DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FUNDS TO, TO, UM, TO, TO ALLOCATE TOWARDS THAT. 
          AND WE'RE IN THE SAME POSITION. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO WORKING TOGETHER AND SHARE EXPENSES MAKES SENSE. 
          I MEAN, WE BASICALLY GOT TWO BOARDS THAT WERE SAYING GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING AND WE'VE TIED ONE HAND BEHIND THEIR BACK AND EXPECT 'EM TO DO SOMETHING WITH ONE HAND. 
          WE ALL KNOW HOW WELL THAT WORKS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, JUST IN YOUR DAILY ACTIVITIES OF LIVING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WHERE I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOTTA GET OVER THE PAST AND MOVE FORWARD AND, AND JUST, AND I, AND QUITE FRANKLY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE OF IN THE TOWN COUNCIL AND STUFF, I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE LIKE, WHAT CAN WE DO TOGETHER? I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WERE SITTING BACK AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THERE WAS A LONG TIME WHERE PEOPLE JUST COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, LINE BEEN DRAWING THE SAND AND THEY WEREN'T. 
          AND THE THING IS, I DIDN'T, I ALWAYS SAY THAT I WAS NEVER AN US FIRST THEM PERSON. 
          'CAUSE I AM THEM. 
          I'M US. 
          I'M THEM. 
          I'M BOTH, WE ALL LIVING IN THE TOWN. 
          WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE BOTH, UM, BUT I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FREED THAT WE DID FUND WAS THIS RETAIL STRATEGIES. 
          AND YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE FEEL LIKE, DO WE GET MUCH OUTTA THAT FIRST YEAR OR NOT? THAT LEADS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE FUNDING A SECOND YEAR. 
          WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION FROM THAT. 
          BUT UM, AND I KNOW THE CURRENT WARREN COUNTY, EDA, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY BUSY, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY'RE ALL WORKING TO SELL. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THERE'S SOME TALENTED OF PEOPLE ON THAT, UM, ON, ON THAT BOARD AND THEY'RE WORKING HARD AND, AND YOU KNOW, REALLY TRYING TO GET RID OF SOME OF THE PROPERTIES AND PAY DOWN DEBTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO THE SAME THING FOR YOUR GROUP. 
          SO IF YOU COMBINE ALL THOSE PEOPLE WITH, YOU KNOW, GOOD, GOOD IDEAS, 
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GOOD THOUGHTS, AND HELP SUPPORT THEM A LITTLE MORE, LIKE JOSEPH WAS AT, AND, AND HE WAS THERE. 
          HE, YOU KNOW, EVEN HE STRUGGLED BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO BE DOING. 
          AND THAT WAS DURING ALL THE CRAZINESS TOO. 
          THE CRAZINESS HAS KIND OF GONE AWAY. 
          NOW YOU CAN GET MORE FOCUSED. 
          UM, AND SO WHAT'S NEXT STEPS? UH, THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS, 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT IN OCTOBER AND IN OCTOBER IT WAS, WELL, IN OCTOBER BOTH WE WERE, UM, J SUPERVISOR JAMERSON WAS SHARING THE PROPOSAL. 
          AND, AND WE, I THINK BROUGHT UP LIKE AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SOMETHING WE WANNA COLLABORATE ON JUST LIKE WE DID TOURISM. 
          AND I KNOW THEY, LIKE I SAID, AT THAT POINT, I BELIEVE AT THAT POINT THEY WERE MORE FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THEY HAD THE FUNDS FOR THE CONSULTANT AND NOT LETTING SOMETHING LIKE TIME PASSED AND NOTHING HAPPEN, WHICH WAS TRUE. 
          BUT NOW TIME HAS PASSED AND STILL NOTHING'S HAPPENED. 
          SO WHAT WOULD, AND SO THAT WE'RE NOT COMING BACK TOGETHER IN APRIL AGAIN AND SAYING, HEY, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? I MEAN, DO YOU, I I'M JUST SAYING, IS THERE SOMETHING WE SHOULD SAY OR DO THAT'S LIKE, LET'S GET PEOPLE TOGETHER, LET'S GET OUR STAFF GET TOGETHER OR LET THE BOARD, THOSE TWO BOARD THAT THEY'D BE WILLING TO GET TOGETHER. 
          I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK WOULD BE THE NEXT, WHAT COULD BE THE NEXT STEP FOR US TO, INSTEAD OF TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN FOR THREE MONTHS, ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING. 
          AND IT'S OKAY IF EVERYBODY SAID, WELL, LET'S JUST WAIT. 
          BUT I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS TONY SAID, SIX MONTHS, NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. 
          BUT I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE ANOTHER TWO YEARS BEFORE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, WHAT COULD WE DO? 'CAUSE, 'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, LIKE YOU ALL, YOU ALL HAVE A BUDGET COMING UP. 
          WE HAVE A BUDGET COMING UP EVENTUALLY. 
          YOU CAN'T CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE SAME SERVICES FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP OUR CITIZENS IS IF WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER REVENUE SOURCE THAT IS NOT JUST TAX PAID. 
          TAX IS PAID. 
          SO THOUGHTS, I, MY THOUGHT IS WE REACH OUT TO THE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T SIT HERE AND SPEAK FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND BUT TO GET THE CONSENSUS QUICKLY. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN A MEETING AND WE'LL JUST REACH OUT AND THEN OUR STAFF REACH OUT TO THE TWO EVAS AND FIGURE OUT DO WE HAVE ONE BIG MEETING? DO WE SEND REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH HOW YOU GUYS, AND THEN MAKE IT HAPPEN AND NOT SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE FAIRLY QUICKLY, UM, TO START GETTING ORGANIZED BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE PEOPLE COME AND ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT WE WERE HAVE BEEN TOLD IS, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE DATA CENTERS THAT ARE GOBBLING UP ALL THE PROPERTIES DOWN IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY AND LOUDOUN COUNTY ARE PUSHING OUT THE SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE. 
          AND THEY'RE COMING OUT LOOKING TO BE ABLE TO FIND A PLACE TO HAVE THEIR BUSINESSES NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING PUSHED OUT. 
          MUCH LIKE WHEN THE, UM, SUBDIVISIONS CAME IN AND PUSHED OUT ALL THE LITTLE TINY HOMES, UM, DOWN IN THE FAIRFAX AREA AND ALL THEY CAME OUT BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THE TAX BASE AND THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THE MILLION DOLLAR HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT UP ALL AROUND THEM. 
          UM, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T BE THE ONES TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S GOOD BUSINESS AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE, THOSE SHOULD BE GOING TO THOSE GUYS. 
          AND, UM, AND THEY ARE, THEY'RE SEPARATE ENTITIES. 
          SO THEY DON'T, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TO US, BUT I THINK THEY WOULD APPRECIATE WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE SAYING LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SEE IF THEY WANNA WORK. 
          AND I THINK AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING, THEY COULD MEET TOGETHER. 
          THERE'S NO RULE THAT THEY COULDN'T HAVE A JOINT MEETING. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY HAVE THE PUBLICIZED. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY JUST CAN'T HAVE, WE JUST CAN'T MORE THAN TWO OF US BE IN THE SAME, YEAH. 
          I MEAN WE GOT CRITICIZED BACK, BACK A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY WENT TO FREDERICK COUNTY. 
          WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE TRYING TO GRAB UP CHOCOLATE FACTORIES FOR US. 
          I MEAN THAT'S, WE'RE MISSING OPPORTUNITIES 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE THAT AS, UH, UH, SUPERVISOR CARTER ALLUDED TO THAT, THE ONE FOCAL DIRECTOR MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S DOING THAT ACTIVITY. 
          SO, UH, YEAH. 
          IT'S, THAT'S, 
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UH, YOU NEED, YOU NEED A PERSON LIKE THAT. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T WAIT FOR IT TO FALL OUT OF THE SKY TO CALL UP BECAUSE IT ISN'T, IT, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. 
          YOU NEED SOMEBODY OUT THERE BEING THE PR PERSON, UM, TRYING TO BRING BUSINESS IN. 
          AND IT'S, IT IS HARD WHEN IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT ARE DEALING WITH THEIR DAY TO DAY ACTIVITY. 
          UM, YOU NEED SOMEBODY THAT CAN LOOK, DOESN'T HAVE NECESSARILY THE TUNNEL VISION IN THEIR OWN LIFE. 
          THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THE BROADER PICTURE. 
          SO, AND THEY'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS. 
          THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE BOARD, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY HAVE THINGS GOING ON THEMSELVES, I WILL SAY, AS LONG AS THEY WANT EVERYTHING THING. 
          'CAUSE I'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THERE WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE HAD SOME CHALLENGES. 
          THAT IS FOR CERTAIN WE, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF AN UNDERSTATEMENT, RIGHT? BUT PEOPLE FORGET THAT THERE WERE SOME REALLY SUCCESSFUL EDS IN WARREN COUNTY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT DID BRING INDUSTRY AND, AND YOU KNOW, I, STEVE HENER IS ONE I KEEP, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . 
          LIKE THERE, THERE WAS A LOT ACCOMPLISHED BY THOSE BOARDS AND THOSE PEOPLE. 
          SO, UM, PEOPLE FORGET THAT. 
          SO YOU GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THERE AND, AND GOOD THINGS HAPPEN. 
          SO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU ALL WERE SAYING IS WE TALK TO OUR PEOPLE, YOU TALK TO YOUR PEOPLE, SEE IF THERE'S ENOUGH A CONSENSUS. 
          AND IF SO, THEN WE COULD REACH OUT TO OUR RESPECTIVE BOARDS AND ASK, DO YOU ALL WANT TO GET TOGETHER AND, AND THEM HAVE A MEETING AND TALK AND DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE OR IS THAT, WHAT, IS THAT WHAT WE WERE SAYING OR NOT? I, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I WOULD THINK BOTH ELECTRIC BODIES WOULD'VE NO PROBLEM EXPLORING A POSSIBILITY. 
          BUT WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST TOO WAS, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS IT. 
          I THINK TAM WILL HAVE A COPY OF THE OLD C DAC REPORT. 
          WE DO. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST BRING THAT UP AND GET IT TO THE REST OF BOTH COUNSEL AND THE BOARD AND LET THEM LOOK AT IT. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, I CAN TELL OUR PEOPLE THESE NUMBERS ARE 30 YEARS OLD. 
          IT'S A PROCESS. 
          IT'S A PROCESS. 
          I'D RATHER DO THAT BEFORE I SPENT 50 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A CONSULTANT. 
          THAT TELLS US THE SAME THING THAT A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE KNOW THE AREA COULD GIVE US AS VOLUNTEER CITIZENS THAT JUST WEREN'T PART OF A PRODUCTIVE, UM, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE CO GROUP, IF THEY ACTUALLY HAD A CONSULTANT DOWN THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW EITHER. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY DID IT BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY FEEL THAT NEED. 
          THE OTHER THING I WOULD SUGGEST BESIDES GETTING THAT TO OUR WORKS AND COUNCIL AND YOU GOT SOMEBODY ON YOUR COUNCIL RIGHT NOW, GLEN WOOD AND I THINK HE WAS PART OF THAT. 
          OH, HE ALSO, RICK NOVAK WAS PART OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, MATT TERICK WAS PART OF THAT. 
          BILL BARNETT WAS PART OF THAT. 
          AND ONCE YOU GET THAT REPORT, YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE WHO ELSE WAS INVOLVED. 
          AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE CHAIRMAN, THE MAYOR COULD SIT DOWN WITH NOVAK, ROB DULE, UM, LYNN AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND MAYBE THE ADMINISTRATORS TOO AND JUST KIND OF SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE DID THEN AND WE HAD GREAT SUCCESS AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          AND I THINK THIS ALSO HELPS PULL THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER TOO. 
          I WOULD CHARGE YOU TWO HAD A MEETING WITH THEM INITIALLY AND, AND, AND, AND AGAIN AND SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ON HOW IT WORKED, WHY IT WORKED, COULD IT WORK AGAIN, IS THIS THE BEST WAY TO GO RIGHT NOW? AND JUST SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, INITIALLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. 
          WE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT AT LEAST 150 K AND SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, AND I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON ANYBODY'S TOES, BUT I, I SEE YOU GOT THAT CONSULTANT BRINGING RETAIL AND I GUESS THE ONLY CONCERN I HAD WAS RETAIL'S CONDUCT AND AIN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE. 
          AND, AND THE THING WE'VE HAD, AND THESE ARE THE OLD WAYS THAT I REMEMBER AND PART OF THE ISSUE WE HAD TOO, PART OF THE ISSUES WE HAD WAS 50%, UH, UH, WORKFORCE COMMUTES AND THEY HAVE A TENDENCY TO, TO TO UH, SHOP WHERE THEY WORK. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE Y'ALL HEARD SOME OF THE OUTFIT CALLED AMAZON? I MEAN YOU CAN ORDER JUST AT ANYTHING ONLINE. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE IF BRICKS AND MORTAR MORTARS GONNA BE SUFFICIENT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT, THAT, THAT HAS 
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DONE, I THINK RELATIVELY SUCCESSFUL AS FAR AS MAIN STREET WITH UH, AND I WON'T SAY ANY NAMES 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT PAYING ME TO ADVERTISE FOR 'EM. 
          BUT RESTAURANTS, I'M SURE THAT'S ON YOUR RADAR AS WELL AS FAR AS ENHANCING THAT. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE I SEE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF E-D-A-I-D-A AND THE DIRECTOR CAN FOCUS ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND GET STARTED. 
          'CAUSE WE NEED TO DO THAT. 
          AND YOU JUST BROUGHT UP MAIN STREET, THAT'S ANOTHER, LIKE ALL THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS, RIGHT? SO, UM, IN THE LAST TWO YEARS WE HAVE A, UM, MAIN STREET, UH, DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL DOWNTOWN, FRONT ROYAL. 
          AND THEY'RE GETTING LIKE MAIN STREET ENDORSEMENT AND THEY'RE BRINGING THAT BACK. 
          APPARENTLY IT WAS A THING BEFORE. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD AND THAT'S WHERE THE FARMER'S MARKET AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, WE HAVE A LOT OF TALENTED PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT KNOW HOW TO DO THINGS. 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO I'LL SAY THAT. 
          SO TINA SAYS SHE KNOWS WHERE IT IS. 
          SHE MIGHT BE WILLING TO GET IT RIGHT NOW. 
          SHE'S ALREADY EMAILED IT TO ME, SO I'LL BE EMAILING NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY MAYBE, UM, EMAIL IT OUT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND US AND THEN YOU AND I CAN GET TOGETHER AND SEE ABOUT GETTING SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE TOGETHER. 
          AND TONY, YOU'RE SAYING MAYBE WHO, LOOK AT WHO WAS ON THAT AND IF ANY OF 'EM ARE STILL AROUND, MAYBE, I MEAN, BILL BARNETT'S STILL AROUND. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO SOME OF THE, THE OLD TIMERS, I GUESS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND JUST SAY LIKE WHAT, HOW THAT WORKED BEFORE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AT LEAST WE HAVE A DIRECTION WALKING OUTTA HERE. 
          THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE I DON'T IF YOU NOTICE WHAT YOU AND CHERYL IN CHARGE, BECAUSE I JUST COME UP WITH IDEAS. 
          I JUST DON'T DO WORK. 
          , YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND DOING, I WORK WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          THEY HAVE VISION, THEY JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD GO EASY ON RETAIL STRATEGIES. 
          I THINK, UH, I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, THEY, THEY HAVE A LINK TO THE, THE BROKERS OUT THERE AND, AND, UH, WE, WE HAVE THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE HERE AND IF WE, IF WE WORK IT RIGHT, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, TO ACTUALLY BRING IN SOME ACTIVITY HERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE WILL FIND OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A POSSIBLY, UH, AS THIS THING PROGRESSES, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, A SUCCESSFUL VENTURE OR NOT. 
          BUT IF YOU CAN BRING IN ONE, ONE NEW BUSINESS, UH, YOU MIGHT, THE WORD GETS OUT, IT MIGHT BE 10, WHO KNOWS. 
          AND THEY WEREN'T JUST AS I RECALL, LIZZIE CAN ANSWER TO LIKE WITH RETAIL STRATEGIES, I FELT LIKE THEIR PRESENTATION, LIKE THAT'S THE NAME OF THEIR COMPANY. 
          BUT IT FELT LIKE THEY WERE LOOKING FOR MORE THAN JUST RETAIL BUSINESSES. 
          THEY WERE LOOKING FOR RESTAURANTS, POSSIBLY EVEN HOTEL. 
          HOTELS. 
          A HOTEL AND ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AT OUR, I THINK THEIR NAME IS KIND OF MISLEADING. 
          MISLEADING. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          I'M NOW, AGAIN, AS BRUCE SAID, THAT THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING. 
          WE'RE GONNA SEE RIGHT. 
          THAT THAT'S RIGHT. 
          WE'RE GONNA SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          SO, AND THAT, ANYWAY, AND THAT'S THE IDEA IT TO, TO REDEVELOP, THERE'S PROPERTIES HERE, AND I'M NOT GONNA MENTION ANY PROPERTIES, BUT FAIRLY LARGE PARCEL WITHIN THE TOWN THAT IF YOU, LET'S SAY IT WAS A HOTEL AND YOU GOT A HILTON INVOLVED IN IT, UH, THEY MIGHT WANT TO COME IN AND STRATEGICALLY PLACE SOMETHING THAT COULD BECOME LIKE A, UH, CONFERENCE, A CONFERENCE CENTER, UM, HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER, UH, NEAR SOMETHING THAT, THAT DRAWS A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          SO DON'T ME WRONG, LIKE I SAID, I WAS JUST YEAH. 
          OUTSIDE OF OBSERVATIONS FROM SOME TIME BACK AS FAR AS WHAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH AS FAR AS RECRUITING RETAIL BUSINESSES. 
          AGAIN, I'M NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM TRYING TO TELL YOU ALL HOW TO DO THINGS. 
          I HOPE IT WORKS. 
          UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE IF IT WORKS IN THE TOWN, IT HELPS THE COUNTY. 
          SO, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YOU KNOW, I WISH YOU WELL ON AND HOPE, HOPE GOOD THINGS COME OUT OF IT. 
          BUT WE DID HAVE OUR RESERVATIONS TOO. 
          WHAT YOU WERE, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WAS NOT LIKE IF YOU, IF YOU WATCHED OUR MAIN, WE WE HAD OUR OWN, LIKE WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE, BUT AS COUNCILMAN WOOD SAID, UM, AT THE TIME IT WAS LIKE, WE AREN'T DOING ANYTHING ELSE. 
          LIKE RIGHT. 
          AND WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED IN THE FIRST YEAR, YOU KNOW, DO WE JUST TAKE THAT AND THROW IT AWAY AND, AND DO NOTHING? SO WE'LL SEE. 
          WE'RE HOPEFUL. 
          WE'RE ALWAYS HOPEFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THE, THE NEXT ITEM THAT THE TOWN BROUGHT UP WAS THE FISCAL IMPACT MODEL UPDATE. 
          I FEEL LIKE I'M LIKE A BROKEN RECORD ON THIS. 
          'CAUSE I KEEP BRINGING IT UP FOR, I DON'T KNOW, HOWEVER MANY, COUPLE, FEW YEARS NOW. 
          UM, SO I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY AWARE OF IT, BUT MAINLY THE REASON WHY I KEEP BRINGING IT UP IS BECAUSE WHEN SOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS CAME TO 
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THE TOWN AND WHEN THEY STARTED TALKING ABOUT GERS, WE, AND THEY STARTED SAYING WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE, WE ALL RECOGNIZED THAT THOSE NUMBERS WERE NOT RIGHT. 
          SO THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CONTACTED THE SCHOOL MAINLY IT WAS ABOUT SCHOOL CHILDREN, BUT UM, CONTACTED THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THEN THEY RECOGNIZED THAT THE NUMBERS WEREN'T RIGHT. 
          LIKE THEY HAD OLD NUMBERS ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BE ABLE TO SCHOOL. 
          AND THEN I BELIEVE, UM, I SPOKE WITH SOMEBODY THAT USED TO WORK FOR THE COUNTY, UM, THAT I THINK WORKED FOR THE REGIONAL COMMISSION. 
          NOW I THINK THAT'S WHERE SHE WORKS. 
          BUT ANYWAY, UM, SHE SAID LIKE THE NUMBERS WERE LITERALLY LIKE 20 YEARS OLD. 
          AND SO I, I KEEP ASKING ABOUT THAT. 
          AND HONESTLY, I BELIEVE MR. CARTER, YOU BROUGHT IT UP AT ONE, I I HEARD YOU MENTION FISCAL IMPACT MODEL SOMEWHERE AT ONE OF THE TWO MEETINGS OVER THE LAST WEEK, I THINK. 
          I THINK I THINK THAT THIS YOU ALREADY BROUGHT, BEEN BROUGHT UP AND MR. MARSHALL HAD SENT OUT YEP. 
          UPDATES OR, OR SAID WE'RE WORKING ON THIS TOO. 
          SO I'M SAYING, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT WE LITERALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST JANUARY. 
          I BET YOU IF WE WENT BACK IN MINUTES, I KNOW LAST JANUARY, OH, BECAUSE OF THE NEWS, THE FORMER COUNTY, THE FORMER COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SAID, WELL THEY, THEY WEREN'T LOOKING TO HIRE ANY, THEY WEREN'T, THEY WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THE TOWN WANTED, ANY INFORMATION THE TOWN WANTED WHEN THEY DID THIS FISCAL IMPACT. 
          AND WE SAID NO, THERE WASN'T REALLY ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT YOU ALL WOULD BE ASKING ANYWAY. 
          SO, UM, AND I FORGET, I THOUGHT HE QUOTED IT WOULD BE LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE MINUTES, BUT IT WAS LIKE SOMETHING REALLY EXPENSIVE. 
          WE NEVER GOT INTO IT AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ANYWAY, JUST THE QUESTION WAS ARE THERE ANY UPDATES REGARDING A NEW ONE? I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT THERE WAS AN OLD COMPUTER AND THEY COULDN'T PULL IT UP AND JUST THE OLD ONE AND SO SORRY, I THINK THEY GOT LOST IN THE SHUFFLE OF ALL THE OTHER CHAOS THAT WAS GOING ON LAST YEAR. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          UM, THE, SHORTLY AFTER OUR LAST, UH, LIAISON MEETING, I HAD CONVENED STAFF TO START REALLY TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          AND UM, UH, IT HAS, IT'S NOT ON THE, THE TOP OF THE LIST RIGHT NOW WITH REGARD TO, UM, IT BEING A PLANNING, UH, AND ZONING DEPARTMENT PROJECT AND IT NOT HAVING A DIRECTOR YET. 
          UM, SO IT'S, IT'S UH, IT'S IN THE MIX, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT IT. 
          UM, I DO HAVE STAFF KIND OF ASSIGNED TO, UM, SPEARHEADING THE PROJECT AND TRYING TO GET TOGETHER SOME COMPARABLE DATA AND UM, AND UH, REALLY STARTING TO BUILD A FRAMEWORK FOR UPDATING IT. 
          UM, SO IT IS ON THE LIST AND WE ARE, WE DO HAVE STAFF WORKING ON IT, BUT NOTHING CONCRETE AT THIS, AT THIS JUNCTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK REALLY FALLS UNDER. 
          IT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS. 
          LIKE I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO BE ASKING YOU ALL ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S MORE LIKE A PROTECTION. 
          LIKE, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WHEN THAT GROUP CAME IN AND THIS WAS ALL THEY WERE WILLING TO GIVE AND THEY SAID, WELL, THESE ARE THE NUMBERS, THAT'S WHEN WE WERE LIKE, I REMEMBER BRUCE IN PARTICULAR GOT VERY WORKED UP ABOUT IT AND WAS LIKE, THIS ISN'T ENOUGH MONEY FOR THEM TO BE THROWING IN FOR THIS. 
          AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T WANT THE COUNTY TO GET SHORTCHANGED ON SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD HELP YOU ALL. 
          WHICH, YOU KNOW, HELPS US HELP THE SCHOOLS. 
          WELL, TWO THINGS. 
          ONE IS, I KNOW USED TO DO US TWO, SOMETHING COMES OUT IN THE COUNTY AND WHATEVER, AND I THINK WE ALSO INPUT, WELL VICE VERSA. 
          AND THE THING WITH PROFFERS, UM, THEY'RE VOLUNTARY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO GUESS WE PROBABLY WORKED OUT, BUT LAST I, IF IT WAS THE LAST ONE, LAST ONE I REMEMBER THERE WAS THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS COMING INTO TOWN AND UM, I THINK THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY BOAT HAD THEIR  MODELS. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO, UM, VERIFY. 
          YOU JUST CAN'T ASK FOR SOMETHING OUT OF THIN AIR. 
          YOU HAVE TO VERIFY, PROVE IT. 
          BUT I THINK I WANNA SAY THAT UH, FISCAL IMPACT MODEL OR WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS OFFER BASED ON THAT WAS MAYBE LIKE, I WANNA SAY MAYBE 25. 
          THAT WAS LIKE MAYBE 10 YEARS. 
          AND THE THING IS, ROUGHLY 22 WENT TO THE COUNTY, MAYBE THREE WENT TO THE TOWN. 
          AND SOME OF THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THAT TIME, THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS FAIR. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY PROVIDES THE SCHOOLS FIRE, ALL THAT STUFF. 
          AND ESPECIALLY SCHOOLS BEING A BIG PART OF IT, PARKS AND REC, OF COURSE THE TOWN TO COVER THEIR, UH, SERVICES TOO. 
          THEY GOT WHAT, UH, YOUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT, TRASH PICKUP, ALL THAT STUFF. 
          WE DON'T HAVE, THAT'S WHY IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OUT 
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THAT I SAID WE DON'T, WE HAVE A FRONT OR FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE DON'T FUND THAT. 
          I I'M SAYING WE DON'T HAVE OUR DEPARTMENT. 
          I MEANT OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          I, SORRY. 
          UH, SO THERE AGAIN, BUT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK YOU GOT THE DEVELOPMENT WITH HOUSING, WHATEVER LIKE THAT, THAT HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THAT WE WE'RE, WE'RE BOTH LOOKING AT IT. 
          SO, AND I THINK AS I RECALL WHAT IT WAS, IT, AS I RECALL THE WAY THEY WERE LOOKING AT THEIR NUMBERS FOR THE SONY APPLICATION, THEY WERE, THE OLD NUMBERS WAS SAYING LIKE A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WOULD BE LIKE, I'M MAKING UP THAT IT WAS LIKE 5 MILLION. 
          BUT NOW THEY'RE ESTIMATING IT'S MORE LIKE 30 MILLION. 
          AND SO IT WAS LIKE, THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          SO, UM, BUT ANYWAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW. 
          UM, AND YOU ANSWERED THE LAST ONE. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I PUT THAT ON THERE BECAUSE ONE OF THE, THE RAIL TRAIL IS A HOT TOPIC RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF IS IT GONNA BE A RAIL TRAIL OR IS IT GONNA BE A RAIL AND TRAIL? AND I JUST BASICALLY SHORT CONVERSATION, UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE ARE EACH BEING ASKED TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GONNA SUPPORT AND UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY WERE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          ARE WE, YOU KNOW, STILL SUPPORTING A RAIL TRAIL INSTEAD OF RAIL AND TRAIL. 
          SO MR. PATTY WITH HIS STICKER ON HIS SHUN ROOM TRAIL , UM, I, I KIND OF KNEW WHERE HE PERSONALLY WAS COMING FROM AND, AND I WILL SAY COUNSEL HASN'T LIKE, HAD THAT ON AN AGENDA FOR US TO NECESSARILY DISCUSS. 
          HOWEVER, NOBODY HAS EXPRESSED THAT THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR OPINION FROM THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, I UPDATED THEM WHEN WE HAD THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS, BUT WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED IT SINCE THE LATEST, UM, TRAGEDY THAT HAPPENED. 
          UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S OPINIONS HAVE CHANGED. 
          I, MY THING IS WITH THE RAIL AND TRAIL, I'M, IT'S ABOUT MONEY TO ME. 
          LIKE I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA STRUGGLE TO RAISE ENOUGH MONEY TO PUT IN THE RAIL. 
          HOW IN THE WORLD, I MEAN IF YOU'VE SEEN THE NUMBERS THAT THEY WERE SHARING AT THE CTV, IT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF, OF MONEY. 
          UM, SO MY PERSONAL AND I SPOKE TO THEN DELEGATE GILBERT, DELEGATE OATS AND UH, SENATOR FRENCH. 
          MY PERSONAL FEELING ON IT FROM HAVING CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN, UM, I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF SAFETY BECAUSE I DON'T CARE HOW WELL YOU THINK YOU HAVE YOUR CHILD'S HAND OR IN A BUGGY OR WHATEVER RIDING A BIKE WHEN THAT RAIL TRAINS GOING BY WITHIN A SMALL PROXIMITY, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          AND WHY WOULD YOU WANNA TAKE SOMETHING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FAMILY ORIENTED, UM, TO BE ABLE TO EITHER CYCLE IT, WALK IT TO GOING OUT FOR AN AFTERNOON OR A DAY AND THEN PUT A RAIL CART THERE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT IF MY CHILD'S GONNA SOMEHOW GET UNDER IT OR MY DOG OR WHATEVER, UM, WHY NOT LEAVE IT WHAT IT WAS? 'CAUSE IF THAT RAILROAD TRACK WAS VIABLE FOR, UM, REVENUE TO SOMEBODY THAT WAY, RAILROAD WOULD'VE NEVER GIVEN THAT ANYTHING UP. 
          UM, AND I JUST, I JUST THINK IT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS AND, AND KEEP IT AT WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FOR UM, A SAFE, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. 
          WE'LL GET PEOPLE OFF RIDING BIKES ALONG BUSY TRAFFIC AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          NOW YOU WANNA PUT A RAILROAD CARD INSTEAD OF, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHICH IS WORSE GETTING HIT BY A CAR BEING HIT RUN OVER BY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I, IT JUST, TO ME IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. 
          MIGHT MAKE SENSE FOR SOMEONE, BUT FOR THE LARGE MAJORITY, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S WHY DO THAT? AND, AND I KNOW IN THE BEGINNING WE ALL AGREED THAT THE RAIL TRAIL AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. 
          'CAUSE WE KEEP GETTING THESE, UM, EMAILS OF, YOU KNOW, SIGN UP FOR SUPPORT, SUPPORT, SUPPORT. 
          AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT AS INDIVIDUALS, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE AT A POINT WHERE WE WERE GONNA BE ASKED AS A GROUP OF TOWN COUNCIL PUTTING IN ANOTHER RESOLUTION IN THE COUNTY AND JUST TO MAKE SURE IF WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE OR NOT. 
          WELL, 
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JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, I MEAN, I, I THINK THIS WAS PUBLIC. 
          I MEAN I KNOW IT WAS, I I'VE SEEN IT. 
          THEY DID ASK, UM, THE MAYORS OF THE NINE TOWNS ALONG THE CORRIDOR, UM, TO, UM, SEND A LETTER THAT STATED THAT THEY, THE, THE RESOLUTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, POINTING OUT THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WE HAD AND THAT WE WERE ALL STILL, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ALL STILL FELT LIKE THE RAIL, UM, TRAIL FROM WHAT WE HAD SEEN WAS THE MOST EFFECTIVE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO FINISH THE PROCESS, WHICH WAS TO CONTINUE TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION FROM THE STUDIES. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK GOOD GOVERNMENT WOULD BE LIKE. 
          YOU, THEY, THEY SPENT SO MUCH MONEY ON THESE STUDIES,  STUDIES AND DIDN'T REALLY, I'M NOT SURE THAT ANYBODY REALLY CONSIDERED THOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS STUDIES THAT I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY GOT THE REST OF THE INFORMATION. 
          SO THEY DID ASK THE NINE TOWNS AND HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW, THEY, IF THEY ASKED THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE WENT TO THE CHAIRMAN. 
          'CAUSE FOR US, IT WENT TO ME LIKE DID WE, DID WE STILL, AND I AGREED TO, TO SIGN IT AND IT WAS PART OF THE LETTER. 
          SO, AND IT AND IT STILL, AND IT STILL DIDN'T MATTER. 
           WE SENT IT AND IT STILL DIDN'T MATTER. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT IT WAS A SPLIT, BUT WASN'T IT, IT WAS A SPLIT CHAIRMAN, THE CHAIRMAN, THE OUTGOING CHAIRMAN, YEAH, THE OUTGOING CHAIRMAN WHO, AND TWO, IF YOU WATCH THE VIDEO, HE WAS PRETTY, UH, MADE IT CLEAR WHERE HE STOOD AND TWO, TWO MEMBERS OF THE CTB BOARD ABSTAINED, TWO, TWO OF THEM ABSTAINED. 
          AND SO IT WOULD, IT WENT DOWN TO A SIX SIX. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I'M, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PART OF THE RIO TRAIL DON'T, DON'T, THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S A DONE DEAL YET. 
          SO WE SHALL SEE. 
          WE'LL, WE WILL KNOW MORE. 
          LIKE I SAID, IF THERE'S MONEY TO BE MADE WITH A REAL TRAIL AND THEY REALLY THINK IT CAN HAPPEN, THEN PRESENT, LET THAT INFORMATION COME OUT IN THE STUDIES, THEN WE WILL ALL, WE'LL ALL LOOK AT IT AND DECIDE THEN. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THE REAL, IF THE RAIL COMPANIES ARE GOING TO THROW A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY INTO IT. 
          WELL, THEY SAID AT THE MEETING DIDN'T THAT, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, THEY SAID THERE WAS A COUPLE DIFFERENT RAIL LINES THAT HAD CONTACTED THEM WITH SOME INTEREST, BUT THEY WOULDN'T SAY WHO. 
          SO MAYBE THEY'RE OUT THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          NO, THEY DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING TO THE ROCK AND FLY OVER. 
          YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT. 
          SO WE'LL SEE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. 
          OUR NEXT MEETING'S GONNA BE THURSDAY, APRIL 16TH, WHICH I KNOW IS TWO DAYS BEFORE THE 18TH, WHICH IS THE BIG VA TWO 50. 
          SO HOPEFULLY Y'ALL CAN STILL DO A LIAISON MEETING. 
          MAYBE IT'LL BE A SHORTER ONE. 
          AND, UM, BUT ANY ANYWAYS, SO WE ALL HAVE, WE ALL HAVE THINGS, WE HAVE THINGS WE'RE GONNA DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. 
          AND SO THANKS FOR YOU GUYS COMING AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
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