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AND, UH, THIS[Planning and Zoning Work Session on January 7 2026.]
IS THE MEETING OF THE BRENT ROYAL PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION.MS. POTTER, CAN YOU HOLD THE ROLE PLEASE? CHAIRMAN MARNER.
COMMISSIONER FEDERICA IS ABSENT TONIGHT.
UH, THE FIRST SESSION ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS 2 5 0 0 5 7 1.
MR. WARE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW? SURE.
SO TONIGHT ON THE WORK SESSION, YOU HAVE THREE SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
UH, SO JUST TO KIND OF MAYBE A REMINDER ON SPECIAL USE PERMITS, UH, THOSE ARE AUTHORIZED TO GRANT, UH, THE GOVERNING BODY IS AUTHORIZED TO GRANT SPECIAL USE PERMITS UNDER SUITABLE REGULATIONS.
THAT'S THROUGH THE VIRGINIA CODE 15 22 86.
UH, IF YOU PLACE CONDITIONS, YOU HAVE THREE SEPARATE ONES, THREE DIFFERENT TYPE OF APPLICATIONS.
SO YOU CAN, UH, PUT CONDITIONS.
THOSE CONDITIONS MUST BEAR A REASONABLE RELATIONSHIP TO THE LAND USE CONCERNS AND THE PROBLEMS GENERATED BY THE USE OF PROPERTY.
AND THEY ARE NOT LIKE PROPERS PROPER.
UH, SPECIAL CONDI, UH, USE CONDITIONS ARE NOT VOLUNTEERED BY THE LANDOWNER AND NEED NOT TO BE DEVELOPED IN NEGOTIATIONS.
UH, THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS SHALL DEMONSTRATE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF ESTABLISHING THE SPECIFIC USE ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THINGS YOU SHOULD CONSIDER IS THE IMPACT OF THE SPECIAL USE ON THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT, UH, THE WELFARE OF LANDOWNERS AND OCCUPANTS OF THE LAND, WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
OTHER THINGS YOU SHOULD CONSIDER AS THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY, THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC, AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO THOSE, WITH THOSE COUPLE PRINCIPLES, UH, WHETHER GRANTED BY THE GOVERNING BODY OR THE BZA SPECIAL USE PERMITS ARE LEGISLATIVE IN NATURE.
SO THEY RUN WITH THE PROPERTY, NOT THE LAND, NOT THE PROPERTY PROPERTY OWNER, BUT THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONTINUES, UH, AND PET SPECIAL USE PERMITS CAN BE REVOKED.
SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS ARE CONSIDERED TO HAVE A POTENTIALLY GREATER IMPACT, OBVIOUSLY, THAN THOSE ALLOWED BY MATTER OF, RIGHT.
UH, YOU HAVE TO EVALUATE THOSE UNDER A REASONABLE STANDARDS AND, UH, BASED ON ZONING PRINCIPLES, THAT'S WHERE SOMETIMES WE GET A LITTLE, UH, SOME MUNICIPALITIES GET OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE BASED ON ZONING PRINCIPLES.
UH, IMPACTS OF SPECIAL USES ARE ADDRESSED THROUGH CONDITIONS.
SO YOU CAN PLACE CONDITIONS ON THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, UH, AND THEY MUST BE REASONABLE RELATED TO THE IMPACTS TO BE ADDRESSED IN ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL TO THE IMPACT.
AND DECISIONS TO DENY, DENY SPECIAL USE PERMIT MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CIRCUIT COURT.
IF YOU CHOOSE TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS.
UH, THOSE CONDITIONS SHOULD HAVE AN ESSENTIAL NEXUS THAT IS RELATED TO THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND HAS TO BE ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL.
AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PRIVATE PARTY'S ACTIVITY ONE AND THE BURDEN BASED ON THE COMMUNITY AS A RESULT.
AND THE FEE OF REQUIREMENT BASED ON A PRIVATE PRIOR PARTY IS ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL.
MEANING YOU CANNOT IMPOSE SOMETHING SUBSTANTIALLY GREATER THAN WHAT, UH, IS FOR THE PROJECT.
THAT'S THE NOLAN AND DOLAN CASES.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH PLANNING AND ZONING.
UH, IT WENT TO THIS UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, THOSE TWO CASES.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, PERMIT 25 0 0 5 71.
THAT IS FOR A AUTOMOBILE GARAGE SLASH GENERAL REPAIR SHOP.
THAT'S AT THREE WEST 14TH STREET.
IT IS ZONE C ONE, AND IT IS IN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.
SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROPERTY, THAT IS THE PROPERTY THERE ON THE CORNER OF WEST 14TH STREET AND WHERE NORTH WORLD AVENUE DIVERGES AND RUNS STRAIGHT.
UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WAS, SEEMED CONCERNED WITH, WITH PUBLIC WORKS.
ON THE LOCATION HERE, UH, KIND OF A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING BECAUSE THAT IS THE PROPERTY LINE HERE.
UH, THEY DO HAVE SOME PAVEMENT.
THIS IS WITHIN TOWN RIGHT OF WAY.
SO KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND WITH THAT.
UH, THEY DID SUBMIT A PLAT WITH THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS AN EXISTING BUILDING HERE, THIS SMALL PORTION, UH, EVEN THOUGH PAVEMENT IS HERE, THAT IS IN THE TOWN'S RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THERE'S THE ENTRANCE OFF OF 14TH STREET AND THE ENTRANCE OFF OF NORTH ROYAL HERE.
UH, POTENTIALLY WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO IS TO ADD ANOTHER BUILDING HERE.
THAT'S WHAT, IN YOUR DRAWING TO EXPAND.
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UH, BASICALLY A SERVICE STATION BY RIGHT, UH, AUTOMOBILE SERVICE STATION.BASICALLY, UH, CHANGING OIL CHANGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT WITH LUBRICANTS.
THEY WANNA EXPAND THE BUSINESS TO GEN, DO GENERAL AUTOMOTIVE, AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR.
THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE C ONE.
UH, THAT'S THE, UH, PICTURE OF THE BUILDING THERE.
UH, THIS IS THE ENTRANCE, UH, BASED ON, UH, WE BELIEVE BECAUSE TRAFFIC WILL BE ADDED TO THE BACK HERE WITH TRAFFIC IF, IF EVERYTHING GETS APPROVED, UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WE'RE, UH, RECOMMENDING IS THAT ENTRANCE THERE TO BE CLOSED.
SO ALL TRAFFIC ENTERING THAT BUSINESS WOULD COME OFF OF NORTH ROYAL, OFF OF THIS ENTRANCE HERE.
THEY WOULD ADD TO THE SHOP HERE FOR THE BUILDING WITH MORE SERVICE BASE, BUT WE'D RECOMMEND CLOSING THAT ENTRANCE THERE.
UH, THE REASON, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT DRAWING, YOU SEE THAT'S THE TOWN'S RIGHT OF WAY HERE.
AND ACTUALLY FROM THE TOWN'S RIGHT OF WAY TO THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING IS LESS THAN FOUR FEET.
SO IF WE EVER DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS ON HERE, UM, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE TRAFFIC TO ENTER AND EXIT OFF OF NORTH ROYAL AVENUE FOR ANY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS WE WOULD DO THERE.
SO THIS ENTRANCE WOULD BE CLOSE, I THINK MORE FOR A SAFETY REASON.
UH, SO TRAFFIC IS NOT COMING AND TURNING LEFT, TRYING TO GET INTO HERE.
UH, WE WOULD FUNNEL ALL TRAFFIC THERE ON NORTH ROYAL.
UH, THEN ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH OF THE BUILDING THERE ON NORTH ROYAL, UH, THE GARAGE BAYS THERE PRESENTLY.
UH, THEY GOT A FENCE IN THERE.
THEY HAVE STORAGE THERE AND BEHIND THE FENCE, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING THEY'D LIKE TO ADD A, THIS IS EXISTING BUILDING HERE.
THIS WOULD BE NORTH ROYAL AGAIN.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING THEY'D LIKE TO ADD A, A, A NEW ADDITION TO THE BUILDING WITH, UH, MAYBE THREE GARAGE BAYS TO DO GENERAL AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR.
UH, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND EVERYTHING, THEY CAME IN AND LOOKED AT THE SETBACKS TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF BUILDING THEY COULD PUT IN THERE.
IF THAT WOULD BE APPROVED, THEY WOULD STILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE IT IS IN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.
UH, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW, UH, THE TYPE OF THE, THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
IT WOULD FIT IN WITH THAT DISTRICT, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER APPLICATION AT ANOTHER TIME.
UH, SO BASICALLY THIS IS WHAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS FOR.
UM, JOHN, COULD YOU BACK UP AND EXPLAIN WHAT'S THAT DOCKET? WHAT, WHAT AHEAD? WHAT'S THAT ON THE RIGHT, THAT WAS ANOTHER RENDERING OF IT.
THEY WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TYPE OF, UH, BASE THEY COULD PUT IN THERE AND IF THEY COULD ENTER, COME IN OFF OF THE ALLEY OR COME OFF OF, UH, NORTH ROYAL.
THEY COME, THEY REJECTED THAT NOW.
AND WE LOOK AT, DEPENDING, DEPENDING ON IF THE SUP IS APPROVED, THEY'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LOT AND SEE WHAT CONFIGURATION WOULD FIT ON THE LOT WITH THE SETBACKS BY, BY LIMITING THE FRONT ENTRANCE TO IT, IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT HOW THEY CAN BUILD THE BUILDING? NO, BECAUSE THE BUILDING, UH, THE FRONT, THEY ONLY HAVE LESS THAN FOUR FEET FROM THE BUILDING, UH, TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THE BUILDING ESSENTIALLY IS NONCONFORMING ON THIS END.
BUT THEY COULD EXPAND HERE IN THESE LOTS HERE IN THE BACK, WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING IF APPROVED.
BUT THE ENTRANCE WILL BE OKAY, THAT ENTRANCE.
YEAH, THE ENTRANCE WOULD COME IN HERE AND THEY WOULD CIRCLE, COME IN HERE AND GO INTO THE GARAGE BASE THIS WAY.
COULD THEY GET TO THE FRONT OF THAT OTHER EXISTING BUILDING? YES, THEY COULD GET IN THE FRONT THERE THAT, THAT HAS A WIDE ENOUGH ENTRANCE THERE AND THEY CAN CONTINUALLY USE THIS BACK OF THE BACK.
WE JUST, I THINK FOR SAFETY REASON, PUBLIC WORKS IS CONCERNED THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS ENTRANCE CLOSED SO YOU DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC TRYING TO PULL IN AND OUTTA THESE PARKING LOTS, UH, AND THEN JUST COME OUT HERE AT THIS INTER CONTROLLED INTERSECTION AT NORTH ROYAL OR JUST, JUST VISUALIZING AT SOME POINT IF THAT, IF, IF IT WAS EXERCISED TO TAKE THAT EASEMENT IN THE FRONT, THEN THEY WOULD NO LONGER HAVE ACCESS TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING RIGHT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO LOOK TO SAY, YES, THEY HAVE AN ALLEY HERE.
THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE BUILDING BACK AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO HAVE ACCESS OFF THE TOWN, 20 FOOT ALLEY HERE TO COME HERE TO BACK IT, IF EVER COMES IN THE FUTURE THAT WE WOULD UTILIZE ALL THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WITH THAT, WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE, THAT WOULD IMPACT THEIR DESIGN TO SOME EXTENT, YES.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT 'EM TO ESSENTIALLY THINK, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN WITHOUT CLOSING THIS ENTRANCE.
GET THE TRAFFIC TO COME IN HERE, GET ACCUSTOMED TO THIS CONFIGURATION IF SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER IT IS DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, PLAN AHEAD.
UH, CLOSE THIS ENTRANCE AND THIS WAY.
WE DIDN'T WANNA GET WHERE THE BUILDING WOULD BE BACK IN HERE AND SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN AND THEN THEY'D HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE BACK
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OF THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CONFIGURATION OF THE NEW BUILDING WOULD CHANGE BY THE STUFF.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MAINLY WHY I WAS GOING WITH THIS.
SO THEY DON'T GET A SURPRISE AND SAY, WELL THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING IF YOU GET A BLACK.
DO THEY OWN THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY? YEAH.
THAT'S THE APPLICANT THAT CAME IN.
THEY DO OWN THE PROPERTY, YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT BASICALLY BEEN A, LIKE AN AUTOMOBILE SERVICE STATION, UH, BY OUR DEFINITION NOW THEY WANNA DO GENERAL AUTO REPAIR FOR THAT BUILDING.
IT'S A TOUGH LOCATION TO HAVE A LOT OF CARS COMING AND GOING, BUT ON THE SIDE STREET IT SHOULD BE FINE.
HOW, HOW, HOW MUCH SPACE DO THEY HAVE? IF THEY COULD KEEP CARS OVERNIGHT AND STUFF LIKE THAT? YEAH, THE, THE GARAGE BASE, THEY HAD THE GARAGE BASE THERE.
IF YOU LOOK, UH, LET'S SEE, MAYBE THAT ONE THERE, YOU HAVE A COUPLE GARAGE BAYS HERE, THREE GARAGE BAYS, ONE HERE, TWO HERE, AND THEY LIKE TO ADD THE ADDITION THERE.
UM, THAT WOULD COME DOWN AND ALL THOSE OLD TIRES IN THE BACK WOULD GO AWAY.
AND WE WOULD PART OF THAT, UH, TO KEEP IN MIND THEY'RE IN THE C ONE, THERE IS, UH, UH, PERFORMANCE, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ENCLOSED IN THE BUILDING.
UH, THEY SHOULD NOT BE WORKING ON VEHICLES OUTSIDE IN THE PARKING LOT.
UH, THOSE ALL COME WITHIN THE C ONE FOR THE, FOR STORAGE AND EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING SHOULD BE CONFINED EITHER BEHIND A WALWORTH FENCE LIKE THEY HAVE, UH, LIKE IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH HERE THAT IT IS SCREENED WITH A FENCE THERE.
UH, BUT EVEN SO I'M THINKING OF ANOTHER AUTO SERVICE PLACE ON ROYAL ALSO, WHERE THEY HAVE TONS OF CARS SITTING OUTSIDE ALL THE TIME.
WELL, THEY, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE REQUIRED SO MANY PARKING SPACES FOR THOSE.
THEN, UH, THE LENGTH OF THE SAY OF THE VEHICLES, RIGHT, THIS, THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS GENERAL REPAIR, THEY, THEY SHOULD NOT BE BRINGING IN, UM, TOTALLY DEMOLISHED OR WRECK VEHICLES GENERAL, JUST GENERAL MINOR REPAIR HERE.
IT'S NOT THE ONES, UH, THAT'S ARE ALLOWED IN THE, UH, I ONE DISTRICT FOR EXAMPLE.
THIS IS JUST GENERAL AUTOMOTIVE, BASIC AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR, BRAKE WORK, STUFF LIKE THAT.
NO, NO PAINTING, NO BODY PAINTING, NO BODY, NO BODY WORK AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
JUST GENERAL MINOR REPAIR TO THE VEHICLE.
OKAY, MS. BROOKS, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT ALL THE TIRES, BUT IT'S NOT RELEVANT.
UM, I SUPPOSE, BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE LOOKING TO BUILD AN ADDITION, WHICH IS GONNA BE ENC CLOSE ITSELF ANYWAY, SEEMS LIKE, BUT THEY'RE, THAT THE TIRES WILL NOT BE THERE, UM, IN WHATEVER FORM OR FASHION THAT TAKES UNTIL THEY PUT THIS PERMIT OUT AND WENT AND LOOKED.
I NEVER KNEW THEY WERE THERE ANYWAY.
THAT'S THE ONLY, ONLY WAY I EVER KNEW WAS 'CAUSE IT CAME UP, I GUESS IN COMPLIANCE.
I THINK AT ONE TIME THE BUILDING IN MY RESEARCH WAS A TASTY FREEZE AT ONE TIME.
SO, SO THOSE TIRES ARE LEFT OVER FROM THE TASTY FREEZE? I DON'T THINK SO.
A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF THE FRONT ROW BUSINESS THERE.
SO WE MAY PROBABLY WILL, UH, GET THE INFORMATION FROM PUBLIC WORKS.
I THINK THEY'RE ASKING FOR THAT ENTRANCE.
YEAH, I, DOES THE APPLICANT ALREADY KNOW THAT THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S BEING PUT FORWARD? UH, WELL THEY SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION.
WE SEND THAT TO DIFFERENT AGENCIES SURE.
SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME BACK FROM PUBLIC WORKS WITH THE REVIEW OF IT.
WE'LL HAVE TO BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE APPLICANT.
WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, FRONT DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER AGENCIES ARE GONNA REQUEST OR HAVE CONCERNS FOR.
I GUESS WE SHALL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SECTION.
UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS, UH, PERMIT 25 0 0 5 73.
THAT'S FOR A AUTOMOBILE PARKING LOT COMMERCIAL, UH, ON YOUR APPLICATION,
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THE, UH, THEY PUT TOW YARD, SO THAT WAS PART OF YOUR APPLICATION.BUT THAT FALLS UNDER OUR GENERAL DEFINITION OF AUTOMOBILE PARKING LOT COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO THAT DEFINITION IS 1 75 3.
UM, AUTOMOBILE HELD REVIEWS FOR STORAGE, SIX OR MORE, UH, WHERE SERVICE OR REPAIR FACILITIES ARE NOT PERMITTED.
UH, THE PARKING LOT SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY USE, NOR SHALL BE USED FOR STORAGE OF DISMANTLED OR WRECKED VEHICLES OR PARTS THEREOF OR JUNK.
SO BASICALLY THIS FALLS UNDER, UM, THE, UH, AUTOMOBILE, UH, STORAGE FACILITY, STORAGE, UH, VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITY UNDER THE, UH, WHAT PEOPLE USUALLY RECUR, REFER TO AS A TOWING BOARD IS WHEN VEHICLES ARE EITHER BY POLICE OR WHATEVER, UH, NEED TO BE IMPOUNDED OR TOWED, UH, FOR WHATEVER VARIOUS REASONS, UH, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THESE VEHICLES PARKED, UH, ON THESE PROPERTIES.
UH, SO THAT'S BASICALLY, IT'S NOT FOR, UH, LIKE THARPS WHERE YOU HAVE A TOTALLY DISMANTLED VEHICLE OR WRECK OR TOTALLY DESTROYED VEHICLE.
IT IS EITHER ONES OF BEING IMPOUNDED OR TOWED FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
UM, SO THERE IS THE LOT, IT'S DOWN OFF KLER STREET, UH, THERE AT THE, UH, VERY END, UM, KIND OF BUTTS UP TO THE, THE STREAM HERE, HERE.
UH, WE HAVE AN ALLEYWAY THERE IN, IN KLER, LIKE I SAID.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S LOCATED AT.
SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WITH THE STREAM THERE.
UM, AND THERE'S THE LAYOUT OF THE LOT.
THERE IS TWO RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, UH, TO THE NORTH HERE.
UH, THEY'RE IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, BUT THE USES ARE RESIDENTIAL.
THERE'S KLER, THERE'S THE ALLEY, AND THERE'S HAPPY CREEK.
GIVE YOU A VIEW OF THE LOT THERE.
UH, AND THEY DID PUT IN WHERE THEY WOULD, UH, POTENTIALLY PUT A FUTURE FENCE AROUND THAT.
UH, A COUPLE PICTURES OF THE LOT CURRENTLY, UH, PUBLIC HEARING SIGN UP.
SO IF YOU GO DOWN THERE, UH, THERE AT THE END OF THE STREET, UM, LEMME SEE WHAT THE LOT LOOKS LIKE.
GOT SOME BUILDINGS IN BEHIND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, HAPPY CREEK THERE.
UM, FOR THESE, FOR THIS TYPE, UH, TYPE OF FACILITY, WE WOULD PROBABLY ASK YOU TO PUT CONDITIONS ON THIS, UH, THAT THE, UH, IMPOUND AREA BE TOTALLY FENCED IN.
UH, NOW THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, WE DO HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THERE AT 6 31 AND 2 25.
SO IT SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF SCREENING.
UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE FENCE THERE, BUT NOT A SOLID BOARD FENCE PER SE, BECAUSE IT IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE WATER DOES GET UP IN THAT AREA, SO WE DON'T WANT A FENCE THAT WOULD IMPEDE THE FLOW OF FLOOD WATER.
SO, UH, MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER A CHAIN LINK FENCE, UH, WITH THE SLATS IN THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY, UH, YOU COULD DO THAT.
OR A CHAIN LENGTH FENCE SINCE THERE'S RESIDENTIAL USES HERE ON THIS STREET HERE AND THERE, YOU MAY WANNA ALSO CONSIDER PUTTING CONDITIONS OR, UH, LIKE AN EVERGREEN SCREENING IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE FENCE.
THIS IS LIKE 0.17 ACRES TOO, RIGHT? IT'S TINY.
BECAUSE WE DO HAVE RESIDENTIAL AREAS USES HERE ACROSS THE STREET AND IN HERE.
UM, THE RISK SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT TYPE OF DISTRICT AND YEAH.
BUT, UH, SINCE IT DOES ADJOIN RESIDENTIAL USES, TYPICALLY YEAH, YOU WOULD PUT A SOLID FENCE UP.
OUR, OUR SCREENING DOES CALL FOR THAT, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, WE WOULDN'T WANT A SOLID PRIVACY FENCE UP, SAY EIGHT FOOT AND HEIGHT IF IT'S IN THE FLOOD WATERS.
SO USUALLY IN YOU BUILD FENCES, ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE FLOOD WATERS YOU WANT WHERE THE WATER CAN FLOW THROUGH.
SO SOMETHING LIKE A CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH SLATS IN IT, OR A CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH AN EVERGREEN SCREEN AROUND IT, THE STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT BE AT LEAST EIGHT FEET TALL OR THAT IT, WE CAN BE EIGHT FEET, BUT MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE EIGHT FEET.
YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE EIGHT FEET AND HAVE BARBED WIRE ON TOP TOO.
I IMAGINE IT MOST, MOST IMPOUND LOTS I'VE EVER SEEN DOUG DO.
AND THEN THAT'S WHY THE EVERGREEN HEDGER SCREEN AROUND IT WOULD ALSO SOFTEN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT TOO.
THAT'S LIKE, I WAS JUST THINKING NOW THE, THE WAY THAT A TOW TRUCK WOULD GET IN WOULD BE DOWN KLER STREET.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE AN EXCESS OF A TURNAROUND SPACE.
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WELL, THEY CAN USE THAT ALLEY THAT GOES ALL THE WAY OUT.SO YOU WOULD JUST COME IN THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO TURN AROUND.
YOU CAN JUST COME OUT AND GO AND THEY CAN COME IN OFF KIBBLER OR COME OFF OF HERE UP THE ALLEY, DROP THE VEHICLE OFF AND OUT, AND IT'S A PUBLIC ALLEY DOWNTOWN, PUBLIC, PUBLIC STREET THERE.
SO JUST PLOWED AND EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE ON THREE SIDES.
IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, WHAT WOULD'VE TO BE ON THREE SIDES, FOUR SIDES.
WHAT'S ON THE BACK IS BACK IS A CREEK AND THAT ALREADY HAS TREES AND STUFF.
THERE'S PLENTY OF TREES ON THAT BACK END.
SO THAT'S JUST THE THREE SIDES.
AND THEN THAT, THAT SOUTHERN PORTION, YOU'VE STILL GOT A GOOD BIT OF VEGETATION THERE.
SO I MEAN, IF YOU DO IT, OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE ALONG KLER AND THEN ALONG THAT NORTH END WHERE THE, THEY'RE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL USE.
I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE ON THE SOUTH END.
IT WAS, IT, IT DID BON UP BETWEEN TREES.
DIDN'T, YEAH, LAST TIME I WAS DOWN THERE, THERE WERE SOME PRETTY LARGE TREES.
THERE WAS AN INOP IN THE ALLEY.
YOU SHOW OH, DID YOU HAVE THAT TOE? OH YEAH,
IT HAD SEASHELLS AND PLANTS FROM SEASHELLS SEA BECAUSE IT HAD FLOODED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
LIKE ANY, ANY PUBLIC HEARING, WE, WE, UH, MAIL THAT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO JUST THE, JUST THE CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY, JUST THE WEB, THE TOUCH, YES.
SOMETIMES WE DO CROSS THE STREET AND
AND THERE WAS SOME PROBLEM WITH ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL, SOME ISSUE THAT I REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH ONE OF THOSE.
THAT ENDED UP GOING TO THE VA, I BELIEVE.
BUT THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL USES EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
SO SOMETHING YOU, THE IMPACT OF THE AREA YOU SHOULD CONSIDER.
HOW MANY CARS CAN THEY TAKE IN A SPACE THAT'S CEMENT? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT SIZE OF FENCING THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN.
WHAT SIZE YOU MEAN IF IT'S STRAIGHT OR IF IT'S NO, THE LENGTH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA GO ALL THE WAY BACK OR THEY JUST WANT THIS FOR FIVE OR SIX VEHICLES OR WHATEVER.
UM, BUT THIS IS A PRIVATE ENTER PROCESSES IN PUBLIC.
DO YOU KNOW THEY WOULD CONTRACT WITH THE TOWN OR WHOEVER WAS USING IT? YEAH, ANY TYPE OF, UH, OUR CODE CAUSE OF THE VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITY.
I MEAN, BASICALLY WHAT THEY CALL A LOT OF TIME THE NAME OF CLORE WITHIN THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS A TOW YARD OR AN IMPOUND YARD.
BUT IT, IT'S USED TO THOSE VEHICLES THAT ARE, NEED TO BE REMOVED OFF THE STREETS OR WHATEVER HIGHWAYS FOR WHATEVER REASONS.
AND THERE'S NO PLAN TO PUT LIKE A SMALL OFFICE BUILDING THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WHERE THERE WOULD BE SOMEBODY ON SITE? NO, IT'S NOT REQUIRED.
THEY JUST NEED TO, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, ADHERE TO THE CODE WITH THE VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITIES.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT SIGNS UP AND STUFF LIKE THAT UNDER THAT PART OF THE CODE.
AND WE COULD LOOK THAT UP TOO, IF YOU WANT A LITTLE BIT OF SIGNS UP ABOUT VEHICLE STORAGE, YOU MEAN? YEAH.
WHO TO CONTACT AND STUFF THAT'S UNDER ANOTHER PART OF THE TOWN CODE.
AND DO NOT TRESPASS ABOUT TIME.
WELL, IT MIGHT BE IMP IMPROVEMENT OF THE WAY THE PLACE LOOKS NOW.
WELL, I MEAN IT'S TREES AND STUFF NOW, I GUESS.
WELL, YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, TREES ARE HUNKS OF METAL.
ARE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE ADJACENT, ADJACENT HOUSE? JUST, OR THAT HOUSE EMPTY? UM, UM, I'M, IT'S TENANT OCCUPIED WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO THE, THE APPLICANT ALSO OWNS THE TWO PROPERTIES TOUCHING IT.
SO IT'S THEIR HOMES, LIKE IT'S THEIR, THEIR OH, OKAY.
THEY OWN THE THREE LOTS THERE.
SO THEN THEY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S INTERESTED IN RENTING OUT THIS LOT FROM THEM, BUT FOR THEM TO DO WHAT THEY WANT, THEY NEED THIS SUP.
SO IT'S PROBABLY MAY NOT BE A FURTHER NEED.
SO THEIR TENANTS ARE AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO AND VICE VERSA.
WELL, THEY'VE GOT, THEY'LL GET LETTERS ANYWAY REGARDLESS OF THEIR TENANT OR, YEAH.
SO JUST BE AWARE WHEN YOU GET YOUR STAFF REPORT, THERE'LL BE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN THERE FROM TOWN STAFF, BUT Y'ALL CAN DISCUSS THAT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH IF YOU CARE TO I SEE THE SESSION.
UM, YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS ONE? 0 0 5 8 1? THIS ONE IF YOU WANT TO, I WAS JUST GONNA KEEP IT REALLY BRIEF.
SO THIS ONE IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, AND THIS IS ON FROM THE BUSO FAMILY TRUST.
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SO THEY OWN THE, UH, RURAL KING AND MARTIN SHOPPING CENTER THERE ON SOUTH RURAL, OR SOUTH STREET, SORRY, SOUTH STREET.AND UM, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THE SHOPPING CENTER IS NON-CONFORMING.
SO OUR CODE SINCE THE LATE NINETIES HAS REQUIRED SHOPPING CENTERS HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO PERMIT THEM.
THIS ONE WAS BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES, SO IT PREDATES THAT.
BUT, UM, IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS IT'S BEEN ADDED ON TO AN ALTER.
SO ANYTIME THERE WERE THESE ALTERATIONS, THE SITE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE AND IT HAPPENED.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS FOR, IS TO JUST BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NONCONFORMING.
SO THE OWNER DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE ANY ALTERATIONS OR REALLY DO ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO IT AT THIS TIME UNTIL IT'S PROBABLY COMPLIANT.
THEY DID A DRAWING INTO THE PARKING, UH, LOT ANALYSIS OF IT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE, UH, REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE, THE RETAIL USES WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER CODE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT PLAT UH, DRAWING IS IN YOUR PACKET.
IT SHOWS THE PARKING, UH, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, THERE IT IS.
WE DID PUT UP THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS.
UH, IF SOMEONE ASKED, YOU KNOW, WE GET PHONE CALLS, IT'S JUST RINGING US SOME CONFORMANCE AS A SHOPPING CENTER.
THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ANY NON-CONFORMING USE, YOU, YOU CAN'T EXPAND ANY EXPANSION OR, YOU KNOW, REQUIRES IT TO BE INCOMPLIANT IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO OR WHATEVER.
THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THEY ARE BROUGHT IN COMPLIANCE.
THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE.
EARLIER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HEIGHTS.
THEY COULD IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND WE, UH, PUT A CONDITION ON THAT.
THEY WIDENED THE AISLES IN THE MARTINS
I MEAN, IT'S THE TRAFFIC IMPACT WHEN YOU'RE WALKING.
RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT DID, DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S GOING MAKE CHANGE? NEVERMIND, I'M JUST GONNA CHANGE ABOUT SOUTH STREET.
OKAY, SO THIS IS, I MEAN, THEY CUT AND DRY, BUT BASICALLY BRING A NON NON NONCONFORMING IN THE PAST CHANGES.
WAS THE OTHER SHOPPING CENTER BUILT WITH PROPER? UH, THAT ONE I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT ONE YET BECAUSE THAT USED TO, WHEN I FIRST KNEW FRONT ROYAL, THAT WAS THE FLEA MARKET.
REALLY? YEAH, THAT WAS THE FLEA MARKET ENTITY OWNS BOTH SHOPPING CENTERS.
BUT THEY WERE ONLY ASKING ABOUT THIS ONE.
SO THAT'S THE ONE WE DUG INTO.
I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE OTHER NAMES.
DISCUSSIONS QUESTIONS FOR JOHN? NOPE.
UM, LAWYER, DO YOU WANNA GIVE US ANY REPORT ON MS. THE SITUATION AND WHY THE A DU IS IN FRONT OF US AGAIN AND HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY MORE GUIDANCE? THE GENERAL COUNSEL HAD SENT THIS BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
WHAT I WAS CONCERNED, THEIR, THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE THAT IT WAS AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, WANTED, UM, TIGHTER ENFORCEMENT.
SO STAFF WENT AHEAD AND MADE SOME EDITS FOR YOU TO REVIEW.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THESE.
UM, BUT WHAT WE DID WAS IF THEY WANTED ENFORCEMENT, I GAVE THEM ENFORCEMENT WITH SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
AS A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL OF THEM, UM, REQUIRING NOTARIZED, UM, AFFIDAVITS FROM THE APPLICANT STATING THAT THEY OWN IT, THAT THEY WILL FOLLOW THE RULES, THEY'LL LET STAFF IN FOR INSPECTION.
AND, UM, I THINK I MADE IT AS STRICT STAFF WAS COMFORTABLE PICKING YOU.
AND THEN I'M KICKING IT TO YOU GUYS TO DETERMINE IF THIS IS ACCEPTABLE AND IT, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU MAKE SOME CHANGE TO IT BECAUSE COUNSEL DID SEND IT BACK.
YOU PLANNING COMMISSION DO AS YOU SEE FIT.
UM, SO MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS IS I THAT ESPECIALLY THESE PERMITS DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
UM, I, I LIKE THE, I AM FINE WITH THE IDEA OF DOING THIS SWORN AFFIDAVIT.
ARE YOU REALLY GONNA FOLLOW THE RULES? ASSIGN SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOWS THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, PUTS A BIT OF LEGAL OOMPH BEHIND IT.
BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO THEM THAT WE ARE PUTTING THESE UNDER SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
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I THINK THERE WAS SOME TALK OF, WE, WE DID THE CHARTS LAST TIME AROUND AND I, I GUESS, UM, UH, BY HAVING THAT, DOING THE CHARTS, IT BASICALLY SAYING WE WANT LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS AND, AND, AND THE CONSTERNATION THERE IS IF WE LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, IT IS, IT'S JUST GOING TO GET KILLED.UH, IS THE, RIGHT NOW THAT'S AN ASSUMPTION, YOU KNOW, AS IT GOES THROUGH.
UM, SO AN ALTERNATE WAY OF HANDLING IT IS TO ASK FOR DIRECTION FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL, I GUESS, OF, OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GETTING DIRECTION.
WE SHOULD HAVE DID THAT EARLIER.
WELL, IF THEY, IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR ENFORCEMENT, THEN WE JUST GIVE THEM ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS THE AFFIDAVIT.
WELL, WELL THAT, THAT WAS THE TWO PARTS.
AND THAT WAS WOULD BE THE DISCUSSION.
THE FIRST PART WOULD, ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL US SOMETHING? NO, I'M JUST PONDERING THAT.
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MECHANISM WOULD BE FOR GETTING FURTHER DIRECTION, BUT WHAT, UM, LET'S SPITBALL THIS AS WE GO THROUGH IT.
'CAUSE I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS.
THIS, THIS CAME TO US KIND OF AN ODD WAY AND WE'RE DANCING AROUND THIS WAY AND, AND I'LL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT MAYBE, UH, SOLICITING MORE DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL WHEN IT WAS IN FRONT OF THEM.
THIS, THIS IS OUR PROCESS THAT WE'RE DOING AND THE PROCESS WAS SET UP TO, FOR ALL THESE CHECKS AND BALANCES AND STUFF TO GO.
IT'S NOT TRYING TO A PORTION BLAME.
UH, BUT I THINK THERE'S TWO WAYS TO, FOR THE, THE COUNCIL GO.
PART OF IT IS, IS GO HERE, IS BASICALLY LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, GET THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM.
DON'T USE SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE LEFT THIS AS I THINK MM-HMM
THE OTHER IS YOU CAN DO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IF YOU WANT TO.
UM, BUT THERE'S, IN MY VIEW, ANY WAY VIEW GO THROUGH, THERE'S, IT, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HOLD UP IF IT WAS CHALLENGED BASED ON THAT EXTENSIVE REASONING I PUT OUT IN THAT EMAIL THAT THAT WENT IN THERE.
SO WE COULD GIVE THE, THE COUNCIL THAT.
AND THE OTHER PART WAS IF THEY DID SAY, OKAY, WE WANT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR SPECIAL PER USE PERMIT ONLY AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE HAVE, UM, PROBLEMS WITH IT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO SAY TO THEM? OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO GIVE THOSE TWO OPTIONS SAYING HERE'S THE BEST OPTION.
WE CAN SAY WE DON'T WANT TO KILL IT.
AND YOU CAN AGREE TO IT THIS WAY IF YOU WANT TO WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT WE FEEL IT WON'T STAND UP FOR ALL THOSE REASONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ ALL THAT.
UM, REASONING AS FAR AS SENDING OPTIONS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE APPROACH.
I THINK YOU NEED TO DECIDE WHAT'S GOING BACK TONIGHT.
AND IF IT'S THE SAME BE TONIGHT, YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL FEBRUARY.
AND IF IT'S THE SAME, I RECOMMEND THAT COMMUNICATION OF SOME SORT THAT WOULD ACCOMPANY WHAT HAS ALREADY GONE AND BEEN SENT BACK.
SO COMMUNICATION OF EXPLANATION.
WE HAD THE, WE HAVE THE EXPLANATION OF ALL THOSE CHARTS WE DID, AND PLUS WE HAVE THE, THE VERY, THE SIX FIVE PAGES WHERE IT'S EXPLANATION WHY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS A BAD IDEA.
SO HOW ABOUT THIS? LET'S, AND THIS IS JUST MY IDEA.
LET'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SEND IT BACK WITH THE ADDITIONAL PIECES OF THE SWORN AFFIDAVITS AND, YOU KNOW, OPEN FOR INSPECTION AND AN EXPLANATION AS TO, AND I THINK YOUR, YOUR FIVE PAGES, LET'S NOT, YOU KNOW, LET THAT JUST FALL INTO THE E INCLUDE THAT AND SAY, THIS IS WHY SPECIALTIES PERMITS ARE NOT THE WAY TO GO ACCORDING TO OUR OPINION.
AND JUST SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HAVE THEIR JUSTIFICATION AS TO WHY THEY'RE SENDING IT BACK.
AND THAT'LL BE LIKE A, A MEMO FROM PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE WOULD SEND AN AGREED, AGREED STATEMENT OR COMMUNICATION.
THIS IS THAT IT'S AGREED ON AND, AND IT SHOULD.
BUT THAT WHAT THE, THE FORM SHOULD BE INCLUDED WITH THAT TOO, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN GENERATED OR NOT, BUT THE FORM THAT THE PEOPLE WOULD COME IN WHEN THEY WANTED TO BUILD THIS, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT READY WHERE THE SIGNED AFFIDAVIT WOULD BE ON.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS FOR THE FEBRUARY WORK SESSION, I WILL, IF YOU GUYS TONIGHT ARE OKAY WITH GOING THROUGH THOSE, UM, STANDARDS WE ADDED AT THE END MM-HMM
LET US KNOW WHICH OF THOSE YOU WANNA KEEP, TWEAK, WHATEVER.
AND THEN WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL MOVE THE NUMBERS BACK.
SO WHERE I HAD EACH OF THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES LISTED AND MOVED THEM FROM BY RIGHT.
I'LL MOVE 'EM BACK TO BY, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WITH THE STANDARDS AT THE BOTTOM, THAT WOULD ACCOMPANY THE YEAH.
AND THAT, THAT'S, 'CAUSE THAT BASICALLY IS WHAT WE HAD AND WHAT WE KIND OF DECIDED ON THE LAST MEETING.
SO THEN TONIGHT, I JUST NEED TO KNOW IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE WORDING OF THE AFFIDAVIT REQUIREMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, PERMITTING STAFF COME IN DURING REASONABLE BUSINESS HOURS.
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I I DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE NEW WORDING 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE ENFORCEMENT.DO YOU NEED A COPY OF THE LANGUAGE? UH, NO, I READ IT.
I WAS FINE WITH IT, BUT I THINK IT'S ALL GOOD.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE STANDARDS, JUST MAKING IT SOCIAL USE FOR WE HAVE PROBLEM.
AND THEN THE, THE MEMO OR COMMUNICATION THERE, I MEAN, WE COULD JUST PULL THE EMAIL THAT YOU SENT, BUT LAST WEEK WAS IT? YEAH.
UM, AND JUST INCLUDE THAT AS WELL.
MEAN THAT WOULD, SO WOULD YOU DRAFT THAT TOGETHER? YEAH.
DO YOU WANT, DO YOU HAVE THAT DOCUMENT NOW? DO YOU WANT US TO BRING IT UP? I HAVE IT OR IF YOU WANT, DO YOU GUYS WANNA GO THROUGH IT TOGETHER, YOUR FIVE PAGES AND WORK ON IT? OR IF I, IT'D PROBABLY BE A GOOD IF IF YOU COULD PULL THAT.
WOULD YOU PREFER TO DO THAT IN FEBRUARY OR DO YOU WANT STAFF TO DO IT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE.
IT IS JUST A MATTER OF FORMATTING IT TO PUT IT INTO THE LETTER.
SO EVEN IF I FORMAT IT AGAIN, YOU'LL HAVE TO FORMAT IT AGAIN.
SO I WOULD'VE SUGGEST IF YOU JUST TAKE IT AND I TAKE IT AND, AND JUST PUT IT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS, MR. BROOKS, WOULD IT HELP YOU TO SEE THE LETTER? NO, IT WAS IT IN THE EMAIL THAT YOU SENT ALREADY.
SO IT'S A FORMATTING ISSUE IS REALLY THE ONLY THING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO CHANGES THAT ANY OF YOU WANNA MAKE NO.
OR ADD BECAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY TO BE PRESENTED, BUT IT JUST ISN'T GONNA BE IN THE RIGHT FORMAT FOR OKAY.
AND THEN WE'LL GET, YOU'LL SEND THAT DRAFT TO CONNIE OR SEND IT TO OKAY.
AND THEN WE CAN COVER, APPROVE THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO THE NEXT MEETING, WE'LL YOU GUYS WILL DO A FINAL REVIEW OF THE TEXT.
THEN WE'LL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING IN FEBRUARY IT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN WHEN WE SEND THAT INFORMATION TO TOWN COUNCIL, IT'LL BE ACCOMPANIED BY THAT MEMO.
AND I'LL PUT IT ON LETTERHEAD IF YOU'D LIKE, AND THEN YOU, YOU CAN SIGN IT SURE.
UH, IS THERE SOMETHING, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
BEFORE, WELL YOU, BEFORE YOU ADJOURN, CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING? I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU TO TURN IN YOUR REAL ESTATE DISCLOSURES, TINA, I DID PRINT THESE OFF IF Y'ALL NEED, WANT A HARD COPY.
UM, BUT WE, SHE HAS TO HAVE THEM BEFORE FEBRUARY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW HER EMAIL AND THAT I PUT MONITORS WHY THINGS WEREN'T IN ON TIME AND STUFF.
SO CAN I, IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIRMAN FOR FEBRUARY, WE DISCUSSED, UH, WE DID RECEIVE SOME APPLICATIONS THIS WEEK.
SO WE WILL HAVE IN FEBRUARY, YOU'LL HAVE CONSENT AGENDA THIS MONTH, BUT FEBRUARY YOU'LL HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
WE HAVE TWO, I THINK A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND A, UM, POSSIBLY A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND A REZONING.
UH, SO AT LEAST TWO, UH, MAYBE THREE.
SO WE'LL HAVE A WORK SESSION, OBVIOUSLY FIRST OF FIRST PART OF FEBRUARY.
UH, NOW THERE'S DISCUSSION AT THAT WORK SESSION IN FEBRUARY.
DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER THE PREVIOUS ZONING, UH, CHANGES WE MADE, UH, IN THE ZONING REWRITE IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS LEADING UP TO THE MCD? DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO A REVIEW OF ALL THE CHANGES WE'VE MADE SO FAR SO THAT WE CAN BUTTON UP THAT FIRST HALF OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOCUMENT UP TO THE MCD BUT NOT INCLUDING THE CORRECT.
AND THEN, AND THEN WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH THAT, IF WE SAY GO, UM, THAT PORTION, I MEAN WE WON'T TAKE THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING IN PIECES, BUT THAT WE SAY, OKAY, THIS IS READY, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS KIND OF CONFIGURATION CONTROL HOLD, WE'LL START WORKING ON THIS NEXT, THIS LAST HALF AND THERE IS A VERSION THAT HAS ALL THE CHANGES PUT IN UP TO DATE THROUGH THAT PORTION THAT WE CAN POST ON.
HAS EVERYONE GOT TO THAT NEW WEBSITE? HAVE ACCESS TO THE UM, OH, YES.
YOU WERE ABLE TO GET TO IT? I HAVEN'T PULLED IT UP YET, BUT I'M SURE I HAVE ACCESS.
THERE'S AN EMAIL AT MY TOWN EMAIL, BUT WE NEED TO, THERE WAS AN EMAIL FROM OUR, UM, IT GUY, HE SENT IT OUT WITH THE LINK.
THE FIRST FIRST ONE HE SENT OUT DIDN'T WORK AND THEN TEXT WHO HELP ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT TO COME IN.
I'LL SEE YOU HAVE CHARLES CAN HELP YOU.
I'LL SEE IF I CAN, WHAT I'M DOING IS I'LL CREATE A FOLDER THERE AND I'M GONNA PUT THIS DOCUMENT, WHICH WILL BE CONFIGURED UP TO THIS POINT.
AND, AND IT ALSO INCLUDES THE DEFINITIONS.
IT'S JUST, IT HAS THE, THE REST OF THE DOCUMENTS THERE, BUT IT JUST HASN'T BEEN UPDATED.
BUT ALL, ALL THE, FOR THE CHANGES WE TRY TO CAPTURE IT.
SO, UM, THAT'LL GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH AND SEE IF ANYTHING WAS MISSED.
NOT THAT THAT'S POSSIBLE INSTEAD OF YOU GUYS TRYING TO DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME.
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WE'LL HAVE THE WORK SESSION IN FEBRUARY OF COURSE WE'LL HAVE THREE ITEMS, WE BELIEVE.PLUS WE WILL DISCUSS THE ZONING CHANGES OR WE ARE UP TO THE MCDI DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S GONNA TAKE.
DO YOU WANNA HAVE A WORK SESSION AFTER THE FEBRUARY MEETING WITH THE THREE ITEMS? OR WE WOULD BE GOING TO MARCH BEFORE WE GO BACK TO IT.
IF WE EXTEND THE MEETING, IF EVERYONE ELSE IS, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK HERE TO DO THE WORK SESSION AFTER THE FEBRUARY MEETING OR COULD WE JUST HAVE THE REGULAR MEETING HERE AT THAT TIME? LIKE WE DID THAT ONE IN DECEMBER OR FEBRUARY, THE ONE WE DID IN DECEMBER.
THERE'S BASICALLY NOTHING ON NOTHING.
THE REASON I'M ASKING, WE'LL HAVE TO ADVERTISE THE WORK SESSION WILL IMMEDIATELY FOLLOW, WOULD JUST SAY IT'S GIVE YOU AN HOUR, YOU KNOW, EIGHT 15 OR EIGHT O'CLOCK OR WHATEVER.
YOU CAN'T START UNTIL THE, WHATEVER THE TIME IS, WHATEVER TIME IS.
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THERE.
UM, A REZONING, A REZONING AS SHORT TERM RENTAL AND A SPECIAL EXCEPTION WE BELIEVE WHAT SESSION? FEBRUARY FOR THE REGULAR MEETING IN FEBRUARY.
YEAH, THERE'S THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS WE THAT YEP.
MONDAY'S A DEADLINE FOR THE APPLICATION.
SO WE'RE ASSUMING WE'VE TALKED TO THE INDIVIDUALS, THEY'RE GOING TO GET 'EM SUBMITTED BY MONDAY.
SO WE'D HAVE THOSE AT THE WORK SESSION THE FIRST WEEKEND.
THEN YOU'D HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN FEBRUARY TO COVER THOSE THREE.
THEN I GUESS, DO YOU WANNA HAVE ANOTHER, A WORK SESSION AFTER THAT PUBLIC HEARING TO WORK ON THE ZONING CHANGES AGAIN? OR WAIT UNTIL THE WORK SESSION IN MARCH? WELL IF YOU THINK WE NEED ANOTHER LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR WHEN THE DECISION WOULD NEED TO BE MADE? BECAUSE I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN BE, IF IF IN THE, UH, FEBRUARY WORK SESSION, THE, THE THE ORIGINAL ONE.
YEAH, WE GET THROUGH THOSE THREE ITEMS AND WE LOOK AT THE CHANGES SO FAR UP TO THE MCD AND WE GO, OKAY, THESE ARE ALL GOOD, THEN WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO DO ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
WELL, WE CAN WAIT UNTIL THAT WORK SESSION AND MAKE A DECISION AND JUST SEE LIKE WHAT TIMEFRAME WE GET AT.
WE GET TO, HE JUST WANTED YOU TO START THINKING ABOUT IT.
THE REASON I DIDN'T WANNA DISCUSS IT AT THE, THE JANUARY MEETING BECAUSE, UH, WE WAS GONNA BE, UH, THERESA, SHE WOULD NOT BE HERE FOR THE JA THE JANUARY REGULAR MEETING.
SHE'S PUT THE SPREADSHEET WITH THE DEFINITIONS ON THERE MM-HMM
BECAUSE I REALLY, WE DIDN'T REALLY WANT, WITH ALL THE WORK SHE'S DONE IN THERE, I WE'D RATHER HER BE PRESENT IF SHE COULD AT THE WORK SESSION FIRST FEBRUARY, EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
THAT WAS THE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, THAT MM-HMM
IF YOU THINK WE CAN GET EVERYTHING DONE IN FEBRUARY AT THAT WORK SESSION, THEN WE HAVE TWO.
WE, WE'D HAVE TO ANNOUNCE THAT.
BUT I THINK WE'RE LYING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING OR THE WORK SESSION.
THE WORK SESSION AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE NEED TO GIVE? WELL WE, WE MAY OR MAY NOT.
THERESA WON'T BE HERE FOR THE JANUARY, BUT YEAH.
SO YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL BE ON THE RADAR IF WE NEED TO, YOU NEED TO THEN WE CAN THEN WE CAN DO THAT.
IF WE, IF YOU ANNOUNCE IT AND WE DON'T NEED IT, YOU CAN CANCEL IT WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM.
IT DOESN'T COST MONEY TO CANCEL.
HAVE TO RE BUT THE ONLY THING THAT'S EVER IN THE PAPER IS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
NOW EVERYTHING ELSE GETS POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE AND SHARED WITH THE PRESS AND ALL THAT, BUT, UM, YEAH.
WELL THEN WE'LL DO THIS AFTER, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE DECEMBER.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE MCD LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER ZONING DISTRICT WAS NOVEMBER.
RIGHT? SO NOW WE'RE GOING NO DECEMBER, NO JANUARY 1ST THING WE DON'T WANNA WANNA LOSE MOMENTUM, BUT THAT MCD IN MY OPINION IS KIND NUTS WHEN WE STARTED GOING THROUGH IT.
WE COULD, WE CAN ACTUALLY JUMP OVER THAT, CONTINUE WITH THE REST OF 'EM WHILE THE MCD IS STORED.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WE HAVE MCD AND WE HAVE AN INSTITUTIONAL ZONE, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE A CAMPUS FOR LIKE SCHOOLS.
UM, WE HAVE THE I I ONE AND I TWO STILL I ONE I TWO AND THEN WE'RE GETTING INTO THE SUPPLEMENTAL PROVISION.
SO EVERYONE'S FAVORITE CHICKEN, UM, TRAILERS, FENCES, SIGNS, UM, AND SOME OF THESE MAY TAKE LONGER THAN WE THINK.
I HAVEN'T DELVED INTO THOSE, BUT I DON'T INTO THOSE AT ALL.
I'LL WAIT UNTIL YOU GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE WITH SIGNS.
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THE, UM, MODEL ORDINANCE THATSO THEY WROTE A MODEL ORDINANCE FOR THE LOCALITIES TO ADOPT.
SO WE TOOK THAT AND DELIVERED IT TO
UNLESS LAWYERS NEVER WRONG AND THEY NEVER MAKE IT COMPLICATED AND THEY ANSWER EVERY QUESTION STRAIGHTFORWARDLY,
BUT THAT'S WHERE THAT ONE CAME FROM.
AND THEN I THINK URBAN AGRICULTURE'S GONNA BE A BIG DISCUSSION.
UM, HOW STRICT, HOW SHOULD WE OPEN IT UP? SO HOW MANY VENUES CAN YOU HOLD DONUT, COWS, HORSES? UM, AND THEN LIKE THINGS LIKE TRAILERS AND I MEAN, PEOPLE BUY CAMPERS AND PUT 'EM IN THEIR DRIVEWAY THINKING THAT IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL AND THEN THEY GET A LOVELY LITTLE RED NOTICE FROM DANIEL AND THEY'RE IN OUR OFFICE, THEY'RE HAPPY.
SO, UM, JUST THAT'S THE NEXT ONE.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
AND THEN, UM, OUTSIDE OF PLANNING, BUT NOT REALLY, UH, JANUARY 14TH FROM FOUR TO SIX AT SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY LEAD HOLDING THAT SOUTH STREET, UM, PUBLIC INFORMATION CHANGE.
ARE THEY TELLING US THEIR PLANS ON SOUTH STREET? I THINK THAT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR, FOR A WHILE NOW.
UM, SO THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
THEY ARE LOOKING TO GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, SO I THINK THEY'RE SHARING WHAT THEY'VE KIND OF PLANS WERE INITIALLY, I THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME CHANGES TO THE PLANS BECAUSE THE PROJECT HAS TAKEN SO LONG AND THAT'S THE NATURE OF GETTING THAT KIND OF FUNDING.
I HEARD THEY WANTED TO CLOSE ENTRANCE TO MARTIN'S THAT EVERYBODY USES.
THE ENTRANCES TO THAT SHOPPING CENTER ARE MESS.
SO YOU HAVE ONE THAT'S DECENT AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE WHERE LIKE THE, WHERE THE MCDONALD'S IS, RIGHT.
MCDONALD BURGER BE SET UP THE WAY THEY ARE AND THEN THERE'S A TURNING LANE TO TURN IN.
YOU'RE EITHER BACKING UP TRAFFIC AND IT NEEDS TO BE SO, UM, RIGHT.
BUT ANYHOW, SO YES, THAT, BUT THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR SHOULD AT LEAST IT'LL TELL THAT TO ALL OF OUR FRIENDS AND GET THERE ON THERE.
SO TEST HAS LOTS OF IMPLICATIONS AND IT IMPACTS OUR FUTURE TRANSPORTATION PLANS AND THAT TRANSPORTATION SECTION OF OUR COMP PLAN THAT THE STATE REQUIRES US TO HAVE.
SO, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BUT IF YOU WANT TO.
14TH 4:00 PM RIGHT? FOUR TO SIX.
AND WHERE IS IT? I'M SORRY? AT THE SAMUELS CALLED LIBRARY SAMUELS.
UNFORTUNATELY WOULD NOT, I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT I ALREADY HAVE THAT EVENING, SO I'M BE ABLE TO GO.
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT HAPPENED.
WELL I'M SURE THAT YOU'LL BE THERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME INTERESTING THINGS TO PUT.
TAKE VERY DETAILED NOTES AND SEND IT AROUND 14, 14TH FOUR, 14TH FOUR TO SIX.
I SHOULDN'T BE WHIPPING UP MY PHONE IN THIS MEETING, BUT I HAVE TO CHECK MY CALENDAR.
I WILL ENTERTAIN THE MOTION YOU ATTEMPT.