* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WE'RE OFF. [00:00:01] HEY, I ON A CALL TO ORDER THE [Town Council Work Session on January 5, 2026.] TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, JANUARY 5TH TO ORDER MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKRELL HERE. VICE MAYOR FEL HERE. COUNCILMAN DE DEMON PAYNE. HERE. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? HERE. COUNCILMAN . HERE. COUNCILMAN HERE. OKAY. SO THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR FIRST WORK SESSION FOR 2026 IS A CLOSED MEETING. UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OKAY, MAYOR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION TWO DASH TWO, UH, 37 11 AND 2.2 DASH 37 12, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE. ONE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A SEVEN, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON BRIEFINGS BY STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL LITIGATION WHERE SUCH CONSULTANT CONSULTATION OR BRIEFING AND OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING FOSTER OF THE PUBLIC BODY, MORE SPECIFICALLY DOWN TRUSTEE VERSUS TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. AND TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A, A, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE CONSULTATION OF LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE INSOLVENCY AND DISPOSITION OF ASSETS OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN FRONT ROW IN THE COUNTY. WARREN COUNTY. CONTINUE. SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NO DISCUSSION. PRESS THE ROLL. CALL COUNCIL BLUE. YES. VICE MAYOR . YES. COUNCIL ? YES. COUNCIL REP COURT? YES. YES. COUNCIL KING? YES. ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE OFFICIALLY ENCLOSED I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, CERTIFY THAT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER'S AFFIRMATIVE VOTE, THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS PLANS SHALL LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING BY COUNSEL. AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER COUNSEL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF TOWN COUNCIL SECOND. OKAY. ROLL CALL. COUNCIL WOOD. YES. VICE MAYOR AL. YES. COUNCIL ? YES. COUNCILOR RAPPAPORT. YES. COUNCIL? YES. COUNCILMAN INDEED. MEDICAL? YES. RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. UM, BACK IN, IN OPEN HERE. SO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WE HAVE SOME ACTION ITEMS. UM, SO A IS THE SET ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR THE 2026 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS. AND BASICALLY FOLKS, THE, THE QUESTION IS, IS, YOU KNOW, DO YOU LIKE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS THE WAY WE DO IT? IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO CHANGE? IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL, WE HAVE HAD A DIFFERENT, BUT I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN, I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD THIS ONE FOR AT LEAST PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. OR TINA MM-HMM . I WAS GONNA SAY, SO DOES ANYBODY, UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? WHETHER OR NOT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE AGENDA, WHICH I, I HAD A DIFFERENT AGENDA IN MY FIRST YEAR, UM, BUT I, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO BRING UP THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO TWO READINGS OF A PUBLIC HEARING. SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND FOR MM-HMM . THIS YEAR, UM, WE'VE BEEN TAKING A LOT OF ACTION AFTER A LOT OF BIG PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE WE LEARN INFORMATION AND HAVE TO PROCESS AND NOT GET TO REVISIT FACTUAL INFORMATION OR PROPERTY SITES. UM, WE JUST HEAR THE PUBLIC'S OPINION AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TAKE ACTION. AND I ALMOST FEEL LIKE IT SWIPES THE PUBLIC TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY COME BEFORE US AND TAKE THEIR TIME OUT TO DO THAT, AND THEN WE TAKE ACTION AND WE DIDN'T EVEN GET TO GO GET A CHANCE TO SEE WHAT IT WAS THEY WERE EXPRESSING OR SAYING, I KNOW IT COSTS US A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY. I KNOW IT MAKES BUSINESS MOVE SLOWER, BUT AS OUR DELEGATE, DELEGATE OAKS HAS ALWAYS SAID THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE FAST MOVING. THAT'S FOR SURE. SO I KNOW THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, BUT I WANNA SAY THOUGH, THAT THAT WAS WHEN I BECAME MAYOR FIRST TIME, THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT I WANTED. ONE, WHICH WAS TO BRING BACK A SECOND WORK SESSION, WHICH I WAS SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT. AND THE OTHER THING WAS TO HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. BUT I, BUT I DIDN'T, I TOOK, I TOOK WHAT YOU DID. I DON'T THINK I, I TOOK WHAT WE GOT , BUT I WILL SAY THAT, UM, BECAUSE I SERVED AT A TIME WHEN WE HAD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEN WHEN WE DIDN'T, AND WHILE MS. PRESLEY AND I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION [00:05:01] YES, I KNOW IT WAS ONE PUBLIC HEARING TWO READS. YES. RIGHT. YES. YOU HAD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, RIGHT? CORRECT. NO, BUT TWO, I'M READING. SO YOU GOT TO THE FIRST READING, RIGHT. YOU GOT TO HEAR THE LEARN NEW INPUT, AND THEN YOU, AND THEN YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO LIKE, MAKE A DECISION IN 10 SECONDS. YOU HAD, YOU HAD UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT, WHICH GAVE YOU A MONTH TO HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE. AND, AND YOU AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION, MS. PRESLEY, THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT IT, IT'S A SHAME THAT YOU COULDN'T SAY, THIS ONE REQUIRES TWO READINGS AND THIS ONE DOESN'T. 'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, I WON'T SAY NO BRAINER, BUT THEY DON'T NEED A LOT, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE INPUT AND, BUT YOU'RE JUST REQUIRED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE, AND THE READ READING. BUT THEN THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT NEED SUBSTANTIAL TIME TO, YOU KNOW, TO DIGEST ALL THE INFORMATION YOU HEARD. AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SOMETIMES SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN TO GIVE PEOPLE TIME. WE, THAT'S BEEN, WE HAVE THE, THAT'S KIND OF BEEN OUR STRATEGY. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE NEEDED MORE TIME. THAT'S THE STRATEGY WE'VE USED. BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SO DARE I, I'M SAYING IF WE HAVE A REZONING REQUEST FOR A DATA CENTER, WE'D WANNA HEAR THAT AND THEN GO PROCESS THAT INFORMATION AND THEN HAVE THE MEETING AGAIN TO TAKE ACTION. YEAH. YEAH. MM-HMM . YEAH. SO THIS PROBABLY ISN'T THE TIME TO DISCUSS THAT. THIS IS ABOUT APPROVING THAT. AND IF COUNSEL WANTS THAT TOPIC TO BE PLACED ON A FUTURE WORK SESSION ABOUT CHANGING IT BACK TO TWO READINGS, DOES IT SOUND LIKE THERE'S AT LEAST TWO OF YOU THAT WOULD LIKE THAT AS A TOPIC? OKAY. SO WE WILL ADD THAT TO A FUTURE WORK SESSION TO, TO AT LEAST DISCUSS IT AND SEE WHAT THAT WOULD INVOLVE. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THE ORDER OF BUSINESS. SO WE JUST NEED A MOTION. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, APPROVE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING FOR 2026 AS PRESENT. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. ROLL. ANY DISCUSSION? I, I ASSUME THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT IT UP THEN IS BECAUSE WE NO LONGER HAVE DISCUSSION ON OUR AGENDA FOR WORK SESSIONS. SO YOU HAVE TO FIND A PLACE SO THAT MOST APPROPRIATELY FITS THE ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO ANOTHER AGENDA. ACTUALLY, YOU'RE GOOD. UM, SO LET'S DO ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN WOODS? YES. CAN YOU VICE MAYOR FEL? YES. COUNCIL ? YES. COUNCIL RAPPAPORT? YES. ? YES. COUNCIL? YES. OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM THREE B. AND IT'S THE APPOINTMENTS OF COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VARIOUS, UM, COMMITTEES. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THESE ARE COMMITTEES THAT COUNCIL ACTUALLY TAKES ACTION ON. THERE ARE OTHER COMMITTEES THAT SOME OF YOU ALL SERVE ON. I KNOW YOU NOTICED LIKE THE REGIONAL COMMISSION AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THESE ARE, UM, THESE ARE THE THREE THAT COUNCIL, THESE ARE, THESE ARE CONSIDERED LIKE COMMITTEES OF THE TOWN COUNCIL, SO THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MEMBER AND, AND, AND WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON IT. SO IN LOOKING AT THE THREE COMMITTEES, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT HAS, UM, A DESIRE TO CHANGE, TO BE OFF OF ONE, TO MOVE TO ANOTHER, TO, I DON'T WANNA DO THIS ONE ANYMORE. UM, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME FOR US TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. I'D LIKE TO REMOVE MYSELF FROM THE TOWN SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE. OKAY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED BACK TO THE JOINT TOWN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE. RIGHT. YOU STAY WHERE I AM WITH FINANCE. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE OR NOT BE, OR? WELL, AVERY AND I ARE CURRENTLY ON, WE WERE SCHOLARSHIP. IT'S MY FAVORITE PART OF THIS COUNCIL, BUT, UM, I'M GONNA PASS THE TORCH. ANYBODY ELSE? SO BRUCE, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN SAYING ON THE FINANCE OR, BECAUSE YOU'RE ON TWO OF 'EM, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU . YEAH, WELL THERE'S THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT ARE, ARE IN PLAY ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE. UM, BUT, UH, WHERE ARE YOU WITH THE, UH, ? WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, I MEAN, WE, WE'VE ONLY BEEN ON A YEAR. WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO COUNCIL A SIDEWALK PLAN, HOPEFULLY AT OUR RETREAT WHENEVER THAT'S SCHEDULED. SO I WOULD LIKE TO STAY ON IT THIS YEAR TO SEE THAT THROUGH. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO ROTATE OFF, BUT, UH, WE'VE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS. UH, THE, THE NEW DO [00:10:01] YOU GUY DOWNSTAIRS HAS MM-HMM . WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PRESENTATION. OKAY. AND WE HAVE KNOWLEDGE NOW I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU, YOU AREN'T ON ANY OF THESE, BUT I KNOW YOU'RE ON THE REGIONAL COMMISSION ONE AND THAT MEETS ONCE A MONTH. RIGHT. AND YOU CORRECT. BUT I CAN, I COULD DO TOWN THAT MEETS LIKE ONCE A YEAR. RIGHT. SO, WELL ONCE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD OF THE YEAR. BUT YEAH, THEY, I'M SURE THEY, I DON'T KNOW. Y'ALL READ, YOU SCHEDULE IT WITH THE PERSON? YEAH. YOU READ THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN YEAH. COUNCILMAN WHAT? SO I WOULDN'T MIND, I MEAN, THAT PROBABLY BE THE BEST, I GUESS, IF YOU WANTED TO BE. YEAH, I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO BE. I NO, NO. I WAS LOOKING AT IT. OKAY. I STILL, YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO DO YOU I WAS GONNA SAY YES. I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL, UH, I MEAN, IF AMBER WANTS TO BE ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE, UH, THEN MR. WOOD WANTS TO BE ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY CAN DIAL OUT OF THAT. OKAY. THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. NOW ARE YOU GONNA STAY ON AUDIT AND FINANCE? MM-HMM. I CAN STAY ON AUDIT FINANCE. UM, WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, BRUCE, IF YOU WANT TO TRADE, IF YOU WANNA DO A SCHOLARSHIP, I'LL TRADE YOUR SPOTS IF YOU WANT TO. I, I'M PERFECTLY OKAY WITH STAYING THERE, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, I DON'T THINK YOU'VE DONE A SCHOLARSHIP YET. I, I'VE DONE ALL KIND OF, I HAVEN'T DONE, I HAVEN'T DONE SCHOLARSHIP. IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO BE ON A, I'VE ALREADY DONE FINANCE, BUT I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T DONE SCHOLARSHIP YET, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO NO, I HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. OKAY. YOU WANNA GO TO TRADE? TRADE? THAT'S FINE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WHAT I HEAR IS, WAIT, HOLD ON. SO WHAT I HEAR IS THAT MELISSA AND RU COUNCILMAN D DO COUNCILWOMAN, DOMINICAN COPA, COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT WANNA DO TOWN SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE VICE MAYOR VIAL AND COUNCILMAN WOOD ARE GONNA DO TRANSPORTATION, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT YOU ARE GONNA PRESENT THE SIDEWALK PLAN BEFORE OR WHATEVER. UM, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN IT IS GOING TO BE COUNCILMAN AND COUNCILMAN INGRAM FOR THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE. THAT, THAT, THAT WAY IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE WANNA DO IT. EVERYBODY HAS A COMMITTEE THEN THIS TIME, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ONE LAST TIME. I'M NOT SAYING. YEAH, I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT. YEAH, I DID FINANCE YEAR BEFORE THOUGH. WELL, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE ALSO HAD THE OTHER COMMITTEES ON THE SAME NIGHT. WE DISCUSSED THEM AND YOU HAD OTHER THINGS YOU WERE DOING. 'CAUSE YOU DID, LIKE, DIDN'T YOU DO THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE TOO FOR VML? YEAH. AND I'LL STILL DO THAT. AND THOSE ARE NOT, THESE ARE NONE OF THE VML THESE ARE THE COMMITTEES THAT ACTUALLY ARE, YOU KNOW, PUT TO, YOU KNOW, FORMED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL. AND I'D BE HAPPY THIS YEAR TO GIVE BACK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SEE THAT I HOLD WITH VML TO COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT. I KNOW HE WAS INTERESTED IN THAT LAST TIME WHEN I WAS APPOINTED TO THAT. WHEN DID WE, WHEN DO WE HAVE TO DO THE VML ONE? SPRING IS MARCH OR APRIL. OKAY. I WAS GONNA SAY JUST TO, JUST, UM, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT TOO, BUT I, THAT'LL BE FURTHER DOWN. THE, UM, ALL RIGHT, SO ONE OF Y'ALL HAS TO MAKE THAT MOTION. AND I WROTE, IF YOU START OH, YOU WROTE IT DOWN. OKAY, GOOD. HOLD IT IN. FINANCE WAS MELISSA AND WAYNE, RIGHT? NO. NO. . NO, IT WAS JOSH AND WAYNE. THIS MELISSA GONNA BE SCHOLARSHIP. I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, APPROVE THE FOLLOWING APPOINTMENTS. SAID TERMS TO EXPIRE. DECEMBER 31ST, 2026. 2026. AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE. COUNCILMAN INGRAM. COUNCILMAN SEAWALK 2026 TOWN SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT AND COUNCILWOMAN DEIDA COPA 2026. JOINT TOWN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE. COUNCILMAN WOOD VICE MAYOR VIBA. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION A SECOND. AND VOTE. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VAAL? YES. COUNCILMAN LOC? YEAH. COUNCILMAN RAVENPORT. YES. COUNCILMAN GRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DE DE PAINT? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ACTION. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THE NEXT ACTION ITEM IS, UH, ITEM THREE C. AND IT'S THE ANNUAL APPROVAL OF THE REMOTE PARTICIPATION BY ELECTRONIC MEANS POLICY. AND THIS IS JUST, I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT IT'S LIKE IF FOR SOME REASON SOMEBODY HAS TO, UM, REMOTELY PARTICIPATE, UM, WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT EACH YEAR. SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS, UM, THIS INCLUDES WORK SESSIONS AS PUBLIC MEETINGS. CORRECT. THIS IS NOT JUST OUR MAIN, NOT JUST OUR MONTHLY BIG MEETING, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES THE WORK [00:15:01] SESSIONS. WELL, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. I KNOW WE DID . NO, NO. UM, AND IT DOES. YEAH, IT DOES. SO ANYWAY, UM, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THE COUNCIL RED OP, THE TOWN'S REMOTE PARTICIPATION BY ELECTRONIC MEANS POLICY TO THE CALENDAR YEAR 2026 AS PRESENTED SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? I WAS JUST TRYING TO READ THROUGH IT REALLY QUICKLY BECAUSE I PLANNED MY VACATIONS FOR 2026 AROUND THE COUNCIL'S SCHEDULE. SO UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS ANOTHER STROKE IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY AGAIN OR SOMETHING, I'LL BE HERE. BUT IN A TOO, WHEN THAT WAS THE CASE FOR ME THIS YEAR, I WAS KIND OF, UM, PUT ON THE SPOT TO GIVE MORE DETAIL THAN WHAT I HAD ANTICIPATED OR EVER DONE. SO IN MEETINGS BEFORE TO THE REASONING, UM, FAMILY, MEDICAL EMERGENCY WASN'T, WASN'T ENOUGH. I HAD TO GO MORE INTO DETAIL FOR THAT WHEN I WAS OUTTA THE COUNTRY. SO I THINK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE EXACTLY TO ME, YOU WOULD GIVE EXACTLY WHAT THAT NUMBER TWO SAYS. YOU KNOW, I AM MISSING BECAUSE OF THE MEDICAL CONDITION OF, OF FAMILY MEMBERS. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. AND IT WAS ASKED TO GO INTO DETAILS. SO I WAS LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WHAT THEY ASKED, WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU HAVE TO SAY WHERE YOU ARE. I DID THAT RIGHT? YEAH. BUT IT WAS ASKED, CAN YOU GIVE MORE INFORMATION PERTAINING TO IT? I, I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT I DON'T I'M SURE THAT IS THE CASE. 'CAUSE YOU WOULD REMEMBER IT OTHER THAN THAT. BUT, BUT, SO I KNOW THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO. LET'S SEE. UH, IF PARTICIPATION MIGHT REMEMBER THROUGH ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION MEETINGS IS PROOF COUNCIL SHALL CAUSE TO BE RECORDED IN IT'S MINUTES, THE REMOTE LOCATION FOR WHICH THE MEMBER PARTICIPATED. HOWEVER, THE REMOTE LOCATION NEEDS NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC MAY BE IDENTIFIED IN THE MINUTES. BY GENERAL DESCRIPTION, IF PARTICIPATION IN IMPROVED COUNCIL SHALL ALSO INCLUDE IN ITS MINUTES, THE FACT THAT THE MEMBER PARTICIPATED THROUGH ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION MEANS DUE TO A TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT DISABILITY OR OTHER MEDICAL CONDITION THAT PREVENTED THEIR OR FAMILY MEMBERS' MEDICAL CONDITION THAT REQUIRED. SO WHEN IT SAYS FAMILY MEMBERS' MEDICAL CONDITION, THAT REQUIRED THE MEMBER TO PROVIDE CARE, UM, THE SPECIFIC NATURE OF THE PERSONAL MATTER SITE ABOUT A MEMBER. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING. I FEEL LIKE IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE. THIS BECAUSE GEORGE, GO AHEAD. STATE LAW. EXACTLY. YEAH. I JUST FEEL LIKE IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE FOR ME TO GIVE MEDICAL INFORMATION ABOUT SOMEBODY OTHER THAN MYSELF ON THE PUBLIC MEETING. YEAH. I WOULD THINK HIPAA WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. I WAS LIKE, UM, GO AHEAD. IT'S RIGHT FROM STATE IT TRACK STATE LAW VERBATIM. YEAH. SO SHE CAN JUST SAY, I'M BEING A CAREGIVER FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS RELATED BY MARRIAGE AND, UM, IT'S A PERSON WITH A DISABILITY AND THAT, AND LIKE, SHE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPECIFY THAT IT WAS WHO OR WHAT, BUT I DID. I KNOW. I KNOW. BUT YOU DIDN'T HAPPEN. OKAY. LET'S HOPE WE DON'T HAVE TO CROSS THAT AGAIN, BUT YEAH. YEAH. UM, IF IT'S STATE CODE AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF FOLLOWING THE STATE'S CODES. ALL RIGHT. SO WE, SO THE MOTION'S ON THE FLOOR, WE'VE HAD A LITTLE DISCUSSION. IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, ARE YOU GUYS READY TO VOTE ON IT? I APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO BE REMOTE. IT WASN'T ALWAYS THE CASE. YEAH, NO. YEAH. AND THIS IS NOT IN HERE. THIS IS JUST SAYING YOU COULD PARTICIPATE REMOTELY. BUT WE HAVE RULES IN OUR CODE THAT SAYS HOW MANY TIMES WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. MEDICAL EXEMPT. I MEAN, MEDICAL, IT DOESN'T MATTER. RIGHT? IT'S AS MANY TIMES WOULD YOU WANT, NOT WANT, BUT AS MANY, IF YOU'RE SICK FIVE TIMES IN A YEAR, IT'S OKAY. BUT IF YOU ARE ABSENT FOR A REASON OTHER THAN ILLNESS, I THINK IT'S TWO MEETINGS IN A ROW. REGULAR MEETINGS. TWO REGULAR MEETINGS. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE THE MEETING CAME IN WITH THE WORK SESSION OR MEETING. THAT WAS WHERE THE DISCREPANCY WAS. THAT'S NOT REMOTE THOUGH. THIS IS JUST REMOTE. RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. THIS MEANS MEETING IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. RIGHT. RIGHT. THIS IS JUST, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL SAY WE VOTE . COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR ? YES. COUNCILMAN ? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN DELANCO PAINT? YES. ALRIGHT. MOTION PASSES. SO NOW WE'RE ON TO, UH, NEW INFORMATION OR, OR, SO ITEM FOUR A IS THE FY 27 BUDGETARY ITEMS FOR REVIEW. MR. WILSON, I COULDN'T SEE FROM BACK THERE AND I WAS LIKE, CERTAINLY HE'S HERE. I'M HIDING. I KNOW. NOW IS THAT, ARE YOU PULLING THAT UP UP THERE? UM, I CERTAINLY CAN. OKAY. I MEAN, I JUST THINK PULL UP. IT'S GOOD FOR BE AWARE. I GOT SOME QUESTIONS. KNOW THAT ONES PRESS BT CONTROL LBC. YOU KNEW WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. [00:20:02] ALRIGHT. SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A LIST OF THE ITEMS THAT, UH, MAY BE INCLUDED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 27 BUDGET THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. UH, WE HAVE ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS HERE TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. I'M NOT GONNA HIT ALL OF THEM. I'LL TOUCH ON SOME OF THEM. UH, BUT WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA BEFORE THEY'RE ACTUALLY INCORPORATED INTO THE, UH, BUDGET. UM, I BELIEVE MARCH 2ND IS THE DATE THAT, UH, WE PLAN AS OF NOW TO PROVIDE THE, UH, TOWN MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET TO TOWN COUNCIL. UH, SO LEADING UP TO THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO GO WITH MYSELF, TOWN MANAGER, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK ON THESE. AND, UM, AND FEEL FREE TO ASK AS WE GO THROUGH THEM. ALRIGHT. SO I'M ALREADY READY FOR QUESTIONS ON PAGE. WELL, YOU WANNA START? WELL, YEAH, MINE WAS JUST, UM, FOR THE, I I KNOW THAT YOU WERE GONNA DEFER THE ONES IN BROWN OR BEIGE, WHATEVER IT IS. MY QUESTION IS, ARE THE FIGURES THAT ARE INCLUDED THERE, I NOTICED HOW YOU BROKE OUT EMPLOYEE BENEFITS FROM SALARIES ABOVE, BUT IN THESE, IN THE, IN THE 336,000, IS THAT INCLUSIVE OF BENEFITS AND SALARY OR IS THAT JUST SALARY? OKAY. THAT'S, YES, IT'S ALL INCLUSIVE. OKAY. UH, UH, BEST ESTIMATE FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, MEDICAL INSURANCE, BRS, LEOS, ALL THOSE THINGS. UM, SO STARTING AT THE TOP THERE, UM, WE HAVE THE, UH, 21% POTENTIAL ESTIMATED INCREASE FROM MEDICAL INSURANCE. UH, THIS IS BASED ON A STATEWIDE INCREASE THAT'S PROVIDED BY OUR CONSULTANTS. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE ACTUAL FIGURES FROM TLC, THE LOCAL CHOICE, UH, YET. BUT, UM, UH, IF IT DOES HAPPEN TO BE 21%, LOOKING AT ROUGHLY $390,000, FINGERS CROSSED, THAT WON'T BE THE CASE. UM, IN THE TOWN IN THIS, BY WHAT YOU PUT IN THE BUDGET, THIS IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE TOWN WOULD TAKE ON THE FULL 21% INCREASE. UM, THAT WE WOULD, THE SPLIT WOULD CONTINUE WITH THE EMPLOYEES. OKAY. UH, BASED ON THE PERCENTAGES WE HAVE NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW THOSE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, IT'S TIERED. THAT'S OKAY. UM, BUT BASED ON THE, THE CURRENT, UH, UH, COST ASSOCIATION SPLIT BETWEEN EMPLOYEE AND THE, UH, AND THE TOWN, THE TOWN'S PORTION WOULD BE $390,000 ON THAT. OKAY. SO WHATEVER THAT SPLIT IS, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SUBJECTS CHANGE AS WE GET BETTER INFORMATION, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE THAT INFORMATION HERE, HOPEFULLY MID-FEBRUARY IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING. FINGERS CROSSED. UM, I BET IT IS THAT AMOUNT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THAT ALL OVER EVERYBODY'S WELL'S. HOPEFULLY CONSULTANTS ARE WRONG. , I HOPE. JAIL. UM, I FEEL LIKE EUROPE OVER YEAR SINCE COVID, IT'S BEEN CONSISTENT. YEAH. UP EVERYBODY I KNOW WORKS FOR PRIVATE INDUSTRIES, EVERYBODY'S INSURANCE IS GOING UP. YEAH. SYSTEMS WENT UP. THIS, MY EYES WENT LIKE THIS. WHAT I'M PAYING RIGHT NOW, I I I JUST CHANGED MY COVERAGE. JUST, YOU KNOW, IF I ALWAYS LESS ALL RIGHT. READY? YEAH. AS MORE INFORMATION COMES AVAILABLE, WE WILL PASS THAT ON. BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, UH, BASING ON RIGHT NOW. UH, 2.5% COLA, UH, THAT'LL BE EFFECTIVE JANUARY OF 2027. 1% MERIT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE. UH, OCTOBER, 2026. WE'VE DONE THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, UM, UH, TO KIND OF STAGGER THOSE APPROACHES IN THERE. UM, VRS INCREASE, UH, THAT'S TWO BE DETERMINED. WE'RE EVEN HERE FROM VRS. HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH AS WELL. UH, UH, LOOKING AT MAYBE ANOTHER ONE TO 2% THERE, MOST LIKELY IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING, BUT DON'T KNOW THAT YET. UM, AND THEN, UH, A FEW POSITIONS THERE, UM, PART-TIME POSITIONS, MAINLY THOSE FIRST FEW. AND THEN, UH, OF COURSE DOWN TO THE, UH, THE OFFICERS, UM, LOOKING AT TWO ADDITIONAL SWORN OFFICERS. AND THEN WE WOULD, UH, DEFER, UH, FOR THE OFFICERS THAT WERE, UM, REQUESTED. THIS IS THE DISCUSSION, TOM, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. HERE. SO I, I WAS I, AND THIS, AND I'M NOT PICKING AT ANYBODY, I'M JUST SAYING THERE WERE TWO THAT I LIKE TOWN ATTORNEY PART-TIME POSITION, AND THEN THE SPEED CAMERA RECORDS PART-TIME CERTIFIED OFFICER. MY QUESTION, I WOULD ASSUME FOR THAT SECOND ONE WOULD BE THAT THOSE, THAT BUDGET IMPACT WOULD COME OUT OF THE FEES THAT WE'RE COLLECTING FROM THE ENFORCE YEAH. GENERAL FUNDS. SO YES, I KNOW, BUT GENERAL I GET THIS IS GENERAL FUND, BUT I'M SAYING LIKE, IF THERE IS A NEED, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS ALL CAME ABOUT, EVERYBODY SAID, WELL, I'M GONNA COST ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS, AND, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF REDUCING SPEED REDUCTION, WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, IF, IF IT'S NOW GOING TO CREATE, UH, AN EXPENSE ANOTHER POSITION, WHICH THAT'S WHAT THAT IS, I WOULD ASSUME [00:25:01] THAT THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT WOULD COME OUT OF WHATEVER WE'RE COLLECTING. SPEED CAMERA REVENUE FOR THE YEAH, THE REVENUE FROM THE SPEED CAMERA FEES. I MEAN, IS THAT, IS, DOES THAT MONEY GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND? MM-HMM . YES. SO WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT, IT'S KIND OF, I MEAN, NOT REALLY YES OR NO. NO. OH, WELL, I'VE BEEN, IT ALL GOES AND I GOT CONCERNS. IT ALL GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND. I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PART OF THE, THE, THE REVENUE THAT'S COMING IN FOR THE SPEED CAMERAS, IT'S PART OF THE GENERAL FUND. AND WE'RE OBVIOUSLY PAYING FOR THIS POSITION OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GEAR MARKING THAT REVENUE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS POSITION. OKAY, I HEAR YOU. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WE SAID, I SAY WE COLLECTIVELY, WHEN THAT GOT APPROVED HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO, I GUESS IT'S BEEN TWO, THAT, THAT IT WAS COST, THE INTENT WAS TO IMPROVE SAFETY IN THE SCHOOL ZONES AND THAT IT WAS NOT ABOUT MONEY. IT WAS NOT ABOUT ADDING MONEY TO OUR BUDGET, WHICH I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHY WE DID IT. I TOTALLY RECOGNIZE THAT. BUT I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF, IF ADDING THAT RESPONSIBILITY HAS NOW CREATED A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL STAFF, THEN WHY, WHY WOULDN'T WE SAY THAT THE MONEY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM THAT IS GOING TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S GONNA, UM, NOT COST THE TAXPAYERS ANY MONEY OTHER THAN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE, ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE SPEED. AND I'M ASSUMING WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY POSITION, IF THERE IS A NEED FOR A PART-TIME POSITION THAT ISN'T BECAUSE WE'VE INCREASED WORKLOAD IN YOUR OFFICE WITH THE SPEED CAMERA THINGS. BECAUSE AGAIN, MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT BOTH OF THOSE POSI, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING 70,000, THERES, WELL, 35 AND 35 IS I THINK, WAIT, LET ME, LET ME MAKE SURE. MAYBE I'M 35 AND 35 WOULD BE 70,000 ROUGHLY. MM-HMM . I, I MEAN I, I'M JUST, THIS IS A DISCUSSION, RIGHT? DISCUSSION. YEAH. GO AHEAD, ATTORNEY. YEAH. YOU WISH. UM, THE WAY I SEE IT FOR THIS PART-TIME LEGAL ASSISTANT IS, IS PRIMARILY TWO REASONS. ONE REDUNDANCY. UH, UH, OUR, OUR LEGAL ASSISTANT HAS NO BACKUP AT ALL. AND AS I'VE SAID FOR YEARS, PRO PROSECUTIONS ARE LIKE A CONVEYOR BELT WITH NO OFF, BUT MM-HMM . THE CASES JUST KEEP COMING IN AND THEY HAVE TO BE PROCESSED. SO REDUNDANCY AND, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, STARTING TO DO DUI ENFORCEMENT IF THIS POSITION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATED, BUDGETED AND APPROPRIATED, WE CAN'T, WE JUST CAN'T DO IT WITH THE CURRENT STAFF. BUT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO ENFORCE DUIS WITHIN TOWN LIMITS. AND IF WE WERE TO DO THAT WHEN, WHEN WE, ANY TICKETS, RIGHT? THERE IS REVENUE, RIGHT. THAT COMES FROM THE FUNDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO, ANY, ANYTHING WRITTEN ON TOWN CODE COMES THROUGH THE TOWN. RIGHT. OKAY. SO IT NOT WRITTEN ON TOWN CODE. NOW THEY'RE NO, THEY'RE THE CA HANDLES THOSE PROSECUTIONS EVEN IF THEY'RE IN TOWN. SO THEY, THEY WRITE 'EM UNDER STATE CODE. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING THEN? SO IS, WILL WE, BY TAKING OVER MORE RESPONSIBILITY BY DOING THE DUIS, UM, THAT HAPPEN IN TOWN, WON'T THERE BE THEN IF IT'S WRITTEN UNDER THAT THERE WILL BE SOME, YOU KNOW, BE RECOUP OR WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY FOR ME TO SAY THERE BE ADDITIONAL, FIND REVENUE ADDITIONAL. I'M RELUCTANT TO TIE ONE TO THE OTHER. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M SAYING THOUGH, IF WE'RE, WE WANT COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. ABSOLUTELY. I, I RECOGNIZE THAT. I MEAN, I'M, I, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING, WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID HERE IS ADDING POSITIONS THAT WILL COST THE TOWN TAXPAYER MORE MONEY. IF THERE IS A WAY TO JUSTIFY THAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT LIKE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SPEED CAMERA THING, THAT THERE WOULD BE MONEY COMING IN FROM THE FINES THAT WOULD NOT MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE PART-TIME THEY WOULDN'T GET BENEFITS. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT STILL, DO YOU, THAT'S ALL. I'M JUST, I I'VE ALL MY, I, I'LL JUST SAY THIS. MY DAD RAISED ME, YOU KNOW, MY DAD ALWAYS SAID, YOU GET GOVERNMENT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT CHANGE, GOVERNMENT GROWS ONE POSITION AT A TIME. AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'VE NEVER BEEN A BIG FAN OF BIG GOVERNMENT. AND SO, BUT IF IT'S NEEDED, THEN WE NEED IT. BUT I ALSO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA JUST START SLOWLY ADDING [00:30:01] POSITIONS, POSITIONS, POSITIONS AND THEN, THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT. AND I'M SORRY IF THAT'S OFFENSIVE TO ANYBODY. I'M JUST BEING HONEST THAT I SAW THAT AND WENT, WAIT, HOLD ON. BUT IF, IF THERE'S GONNA BE REVENUE COMING IN FROM THE FINES THAT WILL OFFSET THAT, THEN, THEN THAT TO ME GIVES, GIVES TOWN COUNCIL THE ABILITY TO SAY, YES, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, BUT THE SAFETY'S GONNA IMPROVE. AND WE HAVE A WAY TO SHOW THAT. SO, AND I, IF I CAN ADD, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO THE CHIEF, BUT THERE'S SOME INTANGIBLES WITH THE SCHOOL SPEED ZONE ENFORCEMENT BEING THROUGH THE SPEED CAMERAS, UH, RESOURCES CAN BE REA ALLOCATED ELSEWHERE. RIGHT. AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE CHIEF, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE CASE. I MEAN THE CHIEFS, WELL, I'M JUST SPEAK TOO, BECAUSE THIS IS A QUESTION ABOUT BOTH OF Y'ALL. WELL, THE STATE GRANTS DON'T, THEY ISN'T THE STATE GRANT, UH, THE COUNTY LIKE JURISDICTION IS, I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M ASKING, I DUNNO, EITHER. I THOUGHT FIRST QUESTION THEY GIVE SOME KIND OF GRANT FOR DUI ENFORCEMENT OR SOMETHING TO THE COUNTY OR SOMETHING. IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A GRANT THOUGH. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT BIG. YEAH. THE GUYS FROM ASAP FOR DUI ENFORCEMENT, THEY GIVE SOME KIND OF GRANT OR SOMETHING. I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE IF WE DO THAT, I MEAN, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO ELIGIBLE, WOULD WE BE ELIGIBLE FOR GETTING STATE GRANTS GOING TO US INSTEAD OF LIKE GOING TO THE COUNTY OR STATE POLICE? AGAIN, I DON'T, HYPOTHETICALLY IT GOES, I THINK IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING GUYS, IF IT WOULD GO WHAT THEY I THINK I, I'M RIGHT. BUT I THINK THEY'RE COMING IN ON OVERTIME BE YEAH. WE, WE DON'T DO WE GET STATE GRANTS? WE DON'T GET STATE GRANTS NOW FOR DI STUFF. WE, WE, I WE GOT VT V THAT'S WHAT DID LIKE TWO MONTHS AGO. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT'S BRINGING IT UP. YEAH. THAT'S MY QUESTION. OKAY. SO WE DO GET FUNDING FOR THAT. OKAY. COUNSEL INGHAM, DID YOU, BECAUSE I'M NOT GET . NO, NO, NO. THAT'S JUST MY QUESTION. ANYTHING. YEAH. AND, AND CHIEF, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK TO ANY OF THAT TOO, OR, I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I KNOW HE ASKED Y'ALL TO COME HERE. I DIDN'T WANNA BE LIKE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT, AND YOU DIDN'T GET A CHANCE. SO WITH THE POSITION IT WOULD, I MEAN, IT WOULD HELP OUT GETTING THE OFFICER BACK ON THE STREET WHERE WE'RE NOT HAVING SOMEBODY TIED BEHIND THE DESK. CURRENTLY WE USE ONE OFFICER OFFICER HOUSE WHO, UM, WHO COMES IN, UH, EITHER ON HIS DAY OFF OR WHEN HE IS ON DUTY TO, UH, TO VET THOSE TICKETS. AND IT'S QUICK, BUT IT'S TAKEN AWAY FROM THE TIME ON THE ROAD. AND MY, MY JOB IS TO GET THE OFFICER BACK ON THE ROAD AND BE SEEN AND BE OUT IN THE PUBLIC. AND I THINK THAT WOULD ASSIST WITH DOING THAT. AND ALSO WE WOULD DELVE THAT POSITION TO HELP WITH RECORDS MANAGEMENT AND OTHER THINGS. BUT THEN THE DEPARTMENT THERE, AND I JUST WANNA SAY, 'CAUSE THAT WAS, I JUST REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REMEMBER ASKING ABOUT IS LIKE, 'CAUSE THEY KEPT SAYING, WELL, SOMEBODY AT THE PD IS GONNA HAVE TO VET IT. AND THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT THAT WAS ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. AND IN THE END, IT ALL, IN THE END, YOU CAN'T ASK PEOPLE TO DO MORE FOR THE SAME THING. SO I, SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT POINT. THAT'S, I DON'T, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE RECOGNIZE THESE WERE THINGS WE, WE WERE GONNA TRY NOT TO HAVE, HAVE, FOR CLARIFICATION, THE SPEED CAMERA FINES GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND THAT ARE UN CORRECT. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE THE ME MARKED FOR ANYTHING. CORRECT. BUT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO ORIGINALLY BE FOR, FOR SAFETY. RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT THIS IS SAFETY IN MY MIND. NO, I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT SORT OF IS A, IT'S A, I THOUGHT WHEN YOU ALL APPROVED THAT IT WAS, THE FUNDS WERE GONNA BE DECIMATED FOR . I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO, WE WERE ALLOWED TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. BUT I WILL SAY THAT SO FAR WE DID THAT. WE DID THE, THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED UP UNTIL THIS POINT, WE MADE SURE IT WENT FOR THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT UP WAS, IS THAT IF SOMEBODY IS SAYING TO ME THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE SPEED CAMERA, UM, REVENUE FROM THOSE FINES WILL HELP COVER THE COST OF THAT PART-TIME CERTIFIED OFFICER. I'M TOTALLY GOOD WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU'RE WHAT, HOW THEY'RE POSITIVELY IMPACTING IS GOOD. AND IF THE PART-TIME POSITION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IS THE PART-TIME POSITION, BECAUSE THERE'S A NEED FOR, UM, MORE, MORE HELP IN THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BECAUSE OF THIS BCA ENFORCEMENT THING. SO YOU, YOU HAD A QUESTION, YOU WANTED TO HAVE HIM MADE A COMMENT OR? WELL, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION NOW. AFTER HEARING YOUR LAST STATEMENT. UH OH, , YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE UP UNTIL THIS POINT USED THE FUNDS FROM THE SPEED CAMERA ENFORCEMENT FOR THAT PURPOSE. I KNOW WE WENT OVER HOW MUCH FUNDS WE HAD COLLECTED AND THE REVENUE THAT WE'VE MADE OFF OF IT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE COVERED WHAT IT WAS [00:35:01] UTILIZED FOR. WE DID. 'CAUSE WE HAD A BUDGET. IT WAS OFFSET THE POLICE SALARIES. REMEMBER WE DONE A YES, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. NO, I KNEW WE DID, BUT, BUT I COULDN'T REMEMBER. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE DID DO BEST. SO, SO I THINK MAYBE YOU COULD AT LEAST, I MEAN WE, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE NEW SOFTWARE SITUATION COMING, BUT, UM, OR YOU'RE PROBABLY IN THE MIDDLE OF ADJUSTING TO THE NEW SOFTWARE. BUT I MEAN, AT LEAST, AT LEAST A FOOTNOTE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR REPORTS THAT SAYS, UM, HOW THE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE SPEED CAMERAS THAT, YOU KNOW, REVENUE WAS GENERATED IN THIS AMOUNT AND, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT WAS APPLY BECAUSE I THINK THAT, I THINK THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW THAT WANTS TO KNOW, UH, THEY WANNA KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY GOES. SO I FEEL LIKE MS. CAL, I MEAN SAYING WHERE ANY OF THE GENERAL FUND MONEY GOES, I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, ANALOGY. I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT IN A NOTE OF SOME SORT. I, I JUST, I THINK I WOULD FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF WE GET A BILL THAT THE TOWN IS FOR $70,000, WE'RE GONNA USE THAT REVENUE TO PAY THAT BILL IF WE CAN'T. YEAH. SO IT'D JUST BE PUTTING IT IN THERE TO A PIECE, PEOPLE WHO SAID WE WERE DOING IT JUST TO MAKE MONEY, WHICH YOU'RE NEVER GONNA PLEASE THOSE PEOPLE. WHICH BROUGHT ME TO MY NEXT THING. LIKE IT'S, THIS IS THE PART OF COUNCIL AND GOVERNMENT THAT I HATE. BECAUSE IF YOU SAY ANYTHING, IF YOU ASK QUESTIONS OR SCRUTINIZED AT ALL THE BUDGETS, YOU'RE, YOU HATE CHILDREN, YOU HATE COPS, YOU HATE FIRE AND RESCUE. UM, AND IT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO BE CONTROVERSIAL HERE, BUT I'VE HAD SOME TAXPAYERS IN TOWN BRING IT UP TO ME. EVEN LIKE WE JUST WATCHED ON A FEDERAL LEVEL, DOGE AND THE TOWN WENT THROUGH A RIGHT SIZING RIGHT BEFORE I CAME ONTO COUNCIL. AND AS I WAS COMING ON TO COUNCIL FOR MY FIRST TERM, AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO CUT POSITIONS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND ESTABLISH AND LOSE GOOD PEOPLE. BUT I ALSO TO A DIFFERENT SENTIMENT, BUT AGREE WITH WHAT MAYOR COCKRELL SAID ABOUT ADDING ADDITIONAL STAFF. UM, THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WORKED ON A SKELETON CREW MY FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS. I KNOW YOU CAN ATTEST TO THAT. AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE FINALLY GOT IT FULLY STAFFED, WHICH WASN'T EASY TO DO. PEOPLE WERE NOT BANGING DOWN THE DOOR TO WORK FOR THE TOWN OF, FOR ROYAL ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AS THE ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY EVEN. AND SO IT JUST FEELS DEFEATING TO HAVE FINALLY GOT TO A PLACE WHERE IT FELT LIKE WE WERE DOING GOOD THERE. AND NOW WE SEE THAT WE HAVE THIS DEMAND. UM, AND I WORRY ABOUT IF WE ALLOCATED THE FUNDS, IF WE'D EVEN BE ABLE TO FILL A PART-TIME POSITION. I GUESS SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS AS AN ATTORNEY, IT MIGHT BE EASIER. OH, THIS IS NOT A LEGAL POSITION. IT'S LEGAL ASSISTANT. IT'S ASSISTANT, RIGHT. IT'S LEGAL ASSISTANT, RIGHT. ADMINISTRATIVE. YEAH. AND I, IF I MAY POINT OUT, WHEN I STARTED WITH TOWN, IT WAS A FOUR PERSON LEGAL DEPARTMENT. CORRECT. AND I, YOU KNOW, YOUR OFFICE BETTER THAN ANYBODY. WHEN I CAME ONTO THIS COUNCIL, I TOLD EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT I MET WITH AND TOWARDS DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR WORK BETTER THAN I DO. I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN ALL OF IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE AS A COUNCIL PERSON WHO'S BEEN OPEN TO THE IDEA OF STANDING UP TO PEOPLE, SAY, WELL, WE'LL SUE YOU IF YOU DON'T DO THIS FOR US. WELL, WE'LL SUE YOU IF WE DON'T GET OUR WAY. AND I'M LIKE, YES, LET'S DO THAT. WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE THE OPPOSITE AND CLEANED UP A LOT OF THE LEGAL ISSUES THAT CAME BEFORE MY TIME AND DURING MY TIME. SO WOULD FEEL AND HOPE AND SEEM LIKE THE WORK OF THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE COMPARED TO THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. UM, AND WE DO RELY A LOT ON OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE BIGGER ITEMS, BUT IT'S JUST A POSITION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOREVER GOING FORWARD. IT'S JUST LIKE WITH RAISING THE TAXES. IT'S NOT THAT I'M ENTIRELY OPPOSED TO RAISING TAXES, BUT WHEN THE TOWN GETS TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE MAKING A TON OF MONEY, ARE WE GONNA CUT THE TAXES? NOW? HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN ANYWHERE? ARE WE GONNA GIVE IT BACK TO THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER? MY FIRST SELLING COUNCIL, WE CUT IT ABOVE. SO WE'RE SUBJECT WE DID LAST YEAR. WE, WE DIDN'T MEAN TO, BUT WE DID. THAT'S TRUE. IT WAS ESSENTIALLY ACCIDENTALLY BECAUSE THE COUNTY. BUT ANYWAY, DID ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH. CHIEF, SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE THE TWO ADDITIONAL SWORN OFFICERS. IS THAT IN ADDITION TO YOUR CURRENT STAFF OR TWO POSITIONS WE'VE BEEN UNABLE TO FILL? SO I WOULD ADD ADDITIONAL. OKAY. AND THEN FOUR ADDITIONAL OFFICERS. SO IF, IF, IF I'M, I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS. YOU'RE ASKING TO ADD SIX SWORN OFFICERS IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE? READ THE LITTLE ASTERISK AT THE TOP, THE HIGHLIGHTED ONES WOULD BE CONSIDERED. YEAH, THE REQUEST WAS FOR SIX. THE, WE'RE [00:40:01] TRYING TO FUND TWO, TWO AND A PART-TIME. OKAY. THEN THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GET MY CLARIFICATION. SO IF WE DO THAT, HOW DOES OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND STAFFING COMPARE TO TOWNS OUR SIZE? I'M TRYING TO GET A COMPARISON. IN OTHER WORDS, IF SO, YOU CAN COMPARE TO OTHER AGENCIES AND IT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR PALM ROYAL. WHAT YOU GOTTA LOOK AT IS YOUR CALL VOLUME. OUR CALL VOLUME IS ABOUT 16,500 CALLS PER YEAR. OKAY. IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BY, IF WE'RE FULLY STAFFED 26 OFFICERS, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY ADDITIONAL LIKE WHAT 600 CALLS PER OFFICER, WHICH YOUR BURNOUT RATIO GOES THROUGH THE ROOF. SO YOU'RE BURNING OUT, SO THE PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE HAVING IS, IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THESE OFFICERS DEPLOYED, THEY WANT THEIR TIME OFF, THEY VALUE THEIR TIME OFF. SURE. SO YOUR SELECTED FEW THAT'LL COME BACK IN, IT'S GONNA PUSH OVERTIME. BUDGETS THROUGH THE ROOF IS GONNA BE UNPREDICTABLE BUDGET. BY INCREASING THE STAFF, I'LL HAVE A MORE PREDICTABLE BUDGET. THAT WOULD'VE A BETTER IMPACT ON THE OVERTIME AND THE GUYS CAN GET. YES. AND THEN WITH THESE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS, THEY WOULD BE PLACED ON A NEW SHIFT, OVERLAPPING SHIFT. SO WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR DAYLIGHT SHIFT, YOU WOULD HAVE LIKE A MID SHIFT TO COVER THOSE LATE CALLS OR ADJUST HOURS AS NEED BE FOR STAFFING. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO BUDGETARILY, IN THE PAST HAVE YOU PUT IN THE OVERTIME YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE YOU PUT, YOU INCLUDED THAT IN YOUR TOTAL SALARY REQUEST, UH, CONSIDERATION OF OVERTIME. SO DID YOU TAKE THAT OUT, UM, WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT REPLACING IT WITH STATIC POSITIONS? THAT IS THE PLAN AND WE'RE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND YEAH, I MEAN IT DEFINITELY, IT WOULDN'T BE BY GEOGRAPHY. WE'D HAVE TO TOTALLY LOOK AT THE, THE CRIME RATE. I MEAN I IF THAT, SO YEAH. IS THE VRS INCREASED SOMETHING THAT STATES, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. YES. BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS THEM COMING OUT SAYING YOU GOTTA DO A VS HYBRID. IS IT LAURA? IS IT HYBRID? IS IT FOR ALL OR IT'S, UM, ALL IT'S ALL EVERYBODY. SO IN THE OLD PLAN AND THE HYBRID PLAN EVERY TWO YEARS, COURSE I'M ON MY WAY HOME. DON'T GET AN INCREASE. RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND HAS THERE BEEN ANY MORE DISCUSSION JUST IN GENERAL ABOUT, UM, GOING TO A SYSTEM OF JULY ONE WITH THESE THINGS? OR DOES IT JUST WORK OUT BETTER WITH THE KEEPING PEOPLE STAGGERED IN TERMS OF THEIR RAISES? UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, JUST IT, UH, STAGGERING. IT, IT, IT KIND OF FALLS IN LINE WITH OUR, UM, EVALUATIONS, UH, FOR THE MERIT. AND THEN THE UM, UH, I MEAN, UH, AS FAR AS COLA, WE COULD DO THAT JULY ONE. UM, AGAIN, IT WAS JUST KIND OF A STAGGERING THING. SO THE, UH, WE DO SEMI-ANNUAL SNAPSHOTS IN JANUARY, SO IT KIND OF FALLS IN LINE WITH OUR BUY. WE DO EVALUATIONS TWICE A YEAR, SO IT KIND OF FALLS IN LINE MORE OR LESS WITH THAT. BUT EVERYBODY GETS THE COLA. MM-HMM . WHEN WAS OUR LAST COLA WAS THE LAST YEAR? IT WAS JANUARY, UH, ACTUALLY JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. WE'VE DONE THAT JUST FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND LIKE I SAY, A LOT OF IT WAS JUST TO COINCIDE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE EVALUATIONS. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN HERE. COLA WOULD BE JANUARY 20, 27. MM-HMM . AND THEN THE MERIT IS OCTOBER. WHAT WAS THIS YEAR'S COLA, WAS IT ALSO TWO AND A HALF? LORD, DO YOU REMEMBER? 2.7. 2.7. AND I KNOW LAST YEAR, OR WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS BEFORE, I JUST REMEMBER HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH THE FORMER GENERAL MANAGER, THE IDEA THAT THERE WERE SOME YEARS WHERE THERE WERE WEREN'T ANY. AND SO THEN I THOUGHT WE GOT BEHIND AND THEN WE HAD TO GO IN AND, YOU KNOW, ONE TIME LOOK AT STEPS AND SCALES AND BASICALLY TRY TO MAKE THEM TOOK THIS THREE YEARS TO CATCH MORE COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER PLA. YEAH. IT TOOK, TOOK US THREE YEARS TO CATCH UP. SO I REMEMBER AT THAT TIME THE CONSULTANT, THEY, I, I REMEMBER THEM SAYING LIKE, YOU NEED TO, YOU KNOW, BE, BE COGNIZANT OF MAKING THE COLA SO THAT YOU DON'T GET SO FAR BEHIND. WHICH I THINK IS TRUE. MM-HMM . SO, SO WHAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE, UH, PART-TIME, THE FLEET MAINTENANCE? UH, PART-TIME POSITION. GET DON BACK OUT IN THE SHOP. BROOKLYN VEHICLES, UM, IS RIGHT NOW DON'S DOING A LOT OF THE PAPERWORK, UH, HIMSELF. AND ALSO, UM, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT POSSIBLY RETIRING HERE IN A FEW YEARS. I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, ONE WITH THE OTHER GUYS ENDED UP THERE, HAD TO MOVE UP AND START LEARNING WHAT DON DOES. SO THAT'S SUCCESSION PLAN. YES. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SAVE SO MUCH. PLEASE SAVE SO MUCH MONEY THERE. THAT WAS MARY. ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT PAGE EIGHT? WE GOOD? ALL RIGHT. SORRY, WE PROBABLY WON'T BE DOING THIS FOR ALL OF YOU. NO, UH, COUPLE. LET'S SEE HERE. MOVING ON HERE. SO UNDER SERVICES, A FEW THINGS I JUST KIND OF WANT [00:45:01] TO HIGHLIGHT HERE. UH, SO THE, YOU'LL SEE CENTRAL SQUARE SOFTWARE FINAL YEAR OF 75,000, AND THEN VAR SOFTWARE ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION TO 218,000. UH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED THOSE TO OVERLAP FOR THE PERIOD OF ONE YEAR. SO WE CAN, OUR PLAN IS VARUS IS GONNA BE UP AND RUNNING IN OCTOBER ON, UH, UTILITY BILLING AND FINANCIALS. UH, THEN PAYROLL'S GONNA COME ON IN JANUARY IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. UM, SO WE'RE PLANNING TO BUDGET FOR THE FULL YEAR OF CENTRAL SQUARE. IF THERE'S ANY SAVINGS TO BE HAD AS WE MOVE ALONG WITH OUR SOFTWARE UPGRADE, I'M HOPING TO RECOUP THOSE. BUT, UM, BE SAFE THAN SORRY IS KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. UH, CONDEMNATION EXPENSE. WE HAVE $25,000 IN THERE, JUST YEAR MARKED. UM, DON'T KNOW IF THAT SHOULD BE MORE. IT SHOULD BE LESS, BUT QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YES MA'AM. UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO WAIT. NO, GO RIGHT AHEAD. WHAT CAN WE CONDEMN WITH $25,000? THAT'S, UM, THAT'S A GENUINE QUESTION. I'M, AND THAT'S JUST THE PLUG NUMBER THAT I PUT IN THERE. TIME WE ALREADY DID STILL THERE SO FAR, RIGHT? I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, CAN WE HAVE THIS 25 TO THAT 25 30? UH, YEAH, WE PUT, IT WAS 34 I THINK. AND SO THIS WOULD BRING IT UP TO 59 9. WE CARRY THOSE FUNDS OVER, CORRECT. YEAH. SO IT'D BE SOMEWHERE IN THERE. SO, OKAY. AND IT'S JUST A, THAT WAS A PLUG FIGURE. WE CAN MAKE IT HIGHER. WELL, I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE IT HIGHER. I AGREE. I MEAN IT'S, IT'S LOW, BUT WE'RE ALSO JUST TRYING TO, IT'S TYPICALLY FOR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, RIGHT? THIS WOULD BE, OH, THIS IS WHEN NUISANCE. WHAT'S IT CALLED? OH, OH, SORRY. WE CAN'T CALL IT. I'M SORRY. JUST PLANNING. YEAH, I KNOW. I MEAN I'M ALL IN. LISTEN, WHEN I GOT ONE I WAS LIKE, HEY, I'D LIKE TO BULLDOZE A COUPLE MOTELS IN TOWN. UM, NOT REALISTIC, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE COULD CONDEMN WITH $25,000 LIKE THIS. YEAH, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE GOT ANY EXTRA THINGS. NO, WE DON'T. SO I'M LIKE, IS THERE SOMEWHERE THAT THAT 25,000 WOULD BE BETTER ALLOCATED, THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY GET THE USE THAT IT NEEDS WITHIN THE TOWN? THAT'S A GOOD, VERY GOOD POINT. IF IT'S NOT GONNA DO WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO IN THAT BUCKET AND IT COULD GO IN A BUCKET WHERE SOMETHING COULD BE MAKING A DIFFERENCE. HE GAVE YOU MORE MONEY RECENTLY IN THIS CASE? YES. THAT MIGHT BE GONE BY NEXT. HE SAID HE MIGHT NEED TO USE IT. SO CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE? I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT PUBLICLY. A PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT MIGHT BE. CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS MONEY'S GOING? SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEE EVENTUALLY OUR CITIZENS COULD SEE. SO IF THE HOUSE, IF WE NEEDED TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS TO DEMO A HOUSE, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, HOW MUCH WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE TO THE LANDFILL. IF THERE'S ASBESTOS IN IT, THAT MIGHT CHANGE. IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON THE CHARACTERISTICS. BUT I THINK IN DISCUSSING PUBLIC WORKS, WE'RE ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO $35,000 FOR PROBABLY YOUR TYPICAL HOME IN TOWN. I MEAN, ROBBIE'S HERE IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT BUSH HOME DID. HE DID ONE FOR CITY OF WINCHESTER AND IT WAS BETWEEN 25 AND 30. I SAID ASBESTOS. IT COULD DEFINITELY CHANGE THAT. HAVE WE USED ANY OF THE MONEY TO FAR THAT WE'VE GIVEN YOU? WE HAVE NOT USED IT YET. UM, BUT PLANNING AND ZONING IS IN THE PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, WORKING ANY CASES. AND IF IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WE DO HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE IF NEEDED. I, I'M ALL FOR LEAVING IT. EVEN IF WE GET ONE HOUSE TO YOU. THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA SAY ABOUT LIKE MOVING, 'CAUSE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE MAYBE IT'S BETTER SOMEWHERE ELSE. LIKE I DON'T DISAGREE ABOUT THAT. BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT THERE'S A PART OF ME IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD THAT I'M LIKE, WHY HAVE THE ORDINANCE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE TEETH TO SAY, IF YOU DON'T FIX IT, THE TOWN MIGHT HAVE TO COME IN AND DO THIS AND PUT A LIEN ON YOUR PROPERTY. IF WE, IT COULD BE BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING UP UNTIL NOW. WE HAD SOMETHING IN PLACE, BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT IT PUSHED HIM TO SHOVE. WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY. THAT 34,000 IS ABOUT ALL WE, THAT'S ALL WE'VE EVER, I GUESS MAYBE I'M BEING NAIVE, BUT IF IT COSTS 25 TO 30,000 TO DEMO IT, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S MORE TO THE PROCESS THAT COSTS MONEY TO CAN DEMO A HOUSE, THEN JUST DEMOING IT. SO, AND JUST COMING FROM A COUNCIL WHO'S BEEN SO AFRAID OF ME GETTING US INTO LAWSUITS, I'M LIKE 25,000 IS NOT A BIG BACKUP CONTINGENCY ON MOST OF THE HOUSES IN OUR COMMUNITY. LIKE OUR BUILT IN THE YEARS OF LEAD-BASED PAINT, ASBESTOS, WHATEVER. BUT, UM, WE HAVE 34,000, WHICH WOULD DO ONE FOR THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T SEE US RIGHT. CONDEMNING TWO HOUSES THIS YEAR. AND IT COULD BE, AND IT IS NOT JUST DEMOING, IT COULD BE HOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, IT COULD BE SHORING UP A PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, BOARDING IT UPTIGHT TO WHERE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF. SO EVEN IF WE'RE ENFORCING IT, THAT'S BEEN MY COMPLAINT AND IT'S NO FAULT OF THE STAFF. BUT NO, WE [00:50:01] HAD, WE HAD COMPLAINTS OF MOWING THAT, THAT YOU COULD HAVE BAILED HAY IN SOME OF THE YARDS IN TOWN, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE STAFF TO SEND OUT AND WE COULDN'T EVEN FIND CONTRACTORS. I DON'T THINK LAUREN'S HERE, BUT WHEN I TALKED TO LAUREN ABOUT IT, WE COULDN'T EVEN FIND CONTRACTORS WILLING TO TAKE IT ON AND GO DO IT, TO PUT A LIEN AGAINST THE HOUSE AND US PAY THEM UP FRONT. SO AGAIN, IF WE SEND THE LETTERS TO ENFORCE IT, WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO IT, THEN WELL, WE FIX THAT PROBLEM. WELL, WITH $25,000, WE CAN'T FIX ANYTHING. WE NEED TO ADVOCATE MORE THAN OR ALLOCATE MORE THAN 25,000 IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT. IF NOT, THEN JUST DON'T HAVE THEM GO OUT AND WRITE THIS AND DO ALL THE LEG WORK AND GET LEGAL INVOLVED AND JUST SAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIGHTED PROPERTIES. I BLIGHTED PROPERTY. I FORGET WHAT THE NEW WORD I, I FORGET WHAT IT IS, BUT I'M EITHER, WE'RE ALL IN ON THIS CLEAN, WE'RE NOT, I DON'T, I CAN'T GO IT. WE DID BOARD UP OF THAT HOME THAT WAS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN. RIGHT. THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF PLACES. YEAH. WELL, THE ONE UP ON OSAGE, I'M NOT THINKING OF CRIER, BYER, PARKVIEW. YES. WE DID THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. PARKVIEW, I SEE SOME OF YOU GUYS PARTICIPATING IN THAT BORDER. WE HAD ASSISTANCE THIS BE THERE DIVERS SAFETY REASONS. ALL I'M SAYING IS COUNCIL HAS TO DECIDE, ARE WE GONNA BE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS? DO WE WANT TO GET RID OF IT OR DO WE JUST WANT TO DO YOU KNOW, ENOUGH MONEY TO DO ONE A YEAR. HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE GOAL. ONE A YEAR UNTIL WE GET 'EM ALL DOWN. BUT TO DO NOTHING, I, I DON'T THINK WHAT I HEAR FROM VOTERS IS THEY, THEY WANT TO SEE US TAKE ACTION. I I GET ASKED ABOUT A CERTAIN PROPERTY ON NORTH ROW AVENUE, FIVE OR SIX TIMES MONTH, NORTH ROYAL. ANYWAY, LET'S NOT WELL, LET'S NOT GET INTO WHICH PROPERTY I HEAR, BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU GET ASKED ABOUT PROPERTY. I, I GET ASKED. WELL, LET'S NOT EVEN GO THERE WITH SOME OTHERS. YEAH. SO YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YES. WELL, HERE'S WHAT I THINK HERE IS WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE DISCUSSING TINA'S TAKING MINUTES, BJ'S LISTENING, JOE'S LISTENING. WE CAN SEE THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE HAD MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT. THIS IS ONLY OUR FIRST BITE AT THE APPLE. MM-HMM . WE'RE GONNA KEEP GOING. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT MIGHT COME BACK TO DISCUSSION. YEAH. AND I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T WANNA NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO LET ME JUST SAY, I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU GOT ON COUNCIL COUNCILMAN WOOD, WHAT MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS, WAS THE SAFETY, HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF THE COMMUNITY AND INCREASING TAX REVENUE. SO MY THOUGHT WAS IF $25,000 COULD GO TO SOMETHING TO HELP ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THIS YEAR AND CREATE MORE TAX REVENUE TO THEN NEXT YEAR HAVE MORE MONEY, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. ALSO, I'VE BEEN A HUGE PROPONENT AND I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF BACKLASH FROM IT THAT JUST BECAUSE A HOUSE IS UGLY, WHICH IS HE SAID, SHE SAID, 'CAUSE I MIGHT THINK SOMETHING'S NOT AS UGLY IF SOMEBODY ELSE, OR A NUISANCE, IF IT'S A SAFETY AND HEALTH HAZARD TO THE COMMUNITY, IT'S A PRIORITY VERSUS MM-HMM . THAT HOUSE HURT MY FEELINGS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS IN OUR COMMUNITY. RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE THAT I DON'T THINK COUNCIL AND STAFF HAVE THE SAME OPINIONS ON AT THIS POINT. AND I THINK IT IS VERY TREACHEROUS WATER. AND YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO PUT A MURAL ON YOUR BUILDING WHERE WE DECIDE IF WE THINK IT'S UGLY OR NOT. BUT I, I, I DIGRESS. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I'M JUST SAYING IF $25,000 ISN'T ENOUGH TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, LET'S PUT IT WHERE IT CAN MAKE A BIGGER IMPACT AND A RIPPLE EFFECT IN OUR COMMUNITY, LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR SMALL BUSINESS INCENTIVE. SO I SAY THAT'S GOT A ASTERISK SIDE OF IT. YEAH. AND WE'LL KEEP ON GOING. YEAH. AND BECAUSE WE MIGHT COME BACK AND VISIT THAT IN ANOTHER BUDGET DISCUSSION IF EVERYBODY'S SO OH, GO. NO, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. THAT WASN'T WHAT YOU KEEP GOING. ARE YOU, ARE YOU SAYING THE SCRATCH IT? IS THAT NO, NO. I'M SAYING NOTHING'S CHANGING. OKAY. OKAY. NO, WHAT I WAS SAYING. YEAH. OKAY. I SAID AN ASTERISK MEANING LIKE MORE DISCUSSION. IF WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT, LIKE, IF WE GET TO A POINT WHERE LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUT SOMETHING OR FUND SOMETHING, WE AT LEAST KNOW SOME AREAS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSED. WELL, IT'S SIMPLE. WE JUST LOOK AT IT AND SAY, LOOK HOW JUST GOING, DO WE HAVE IN HERE NOW? DO WE THINK IT'S GONNA CARRY US BETWEEN NOW AND JULY OF NEXT YEAR? WILL WE HAVE IT HERE NOW? DO WE FUND IT OR NOT? IT'S THAT SIMPLE. THAT'S ALL WE WELL I THINK THE ONES THAT BURDEN THE POLICE WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE BURNING THEM DOWN AND DIRTY NEEDLES IN THEM ARE A BIGGER PRIORITY OF THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL. THE ONES THAT ARE UGLY AND ABANDONED COULDN'T. SO THERE'S, WHEN THEY BURN 'EM DOWN, WE SHOULD THEN MAKE SURE THEY'RE TORN DOWN. WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE FUNDING OUR CODE ENFORCER. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT THAT, THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING IS, IS IF WE'RE NOT FUNDING YOU THEN GET RID OF THEY ARE FUNDING. BUT HERE'S THE THING, WHAT I WAS SAYING ORIGINALLY WAS IS BUT HAVING SOMEBODY AS A CODE ENFORCER, BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO TEACH TO [00:55:01] STAND BEHIND IT TO SAY MM-HMM IF HE THREATENS ALL THESE THINGS, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO ANYWAY, ANYTHING ELSE ON PAGE NINE THAT'S ON, I'M NOT DONE YET. . OH, I KNOW, SORRY. UH, I THINK, UH, NEXT THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS THE 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS. UH, SO WE HAVE $17,000 EARMARKED THERE, UM, PAST COUPLE YEARS. I BELIEVE WARREN COUNTY HAS HAD THEM AS WELL. SO I WASN'T SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH OR WANTED TO WAIT. WARREN COUNTY, I YOU MEAN AT THE, YOU MEAN AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? ONLY? WHAT'S THAT DOES THAT WARREN COUNTY DOES NOT, BUT THEY WILL THIS YEAR THAT'S GONNA BE FOR THE VA FOR THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY, THEY'RE FUNDING THE FOUR H FIREWORKS FOR THE TWO 50. YES MA'AM. THAT'S NOT ON THE SAME NIGHT WE'RE DOING IT, IS IT? NO, NO MA'AM. THEY DO IT. THIS IS DOWN AT IN CROSSMAN, RIGHT? WE DO IT, WE DO IT CROSBY AT THE END OF THE, AT THE END OF THE CARDINALS GAME COORDINATION WITH THE, UH, CARDINAL, WHICH I GOT CARDINALS. I GOT PHONE CALLS AND TEXTS THIS YEAR FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE ABOUT HOW, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS A TIME ISSUE. AND I THINK, AND I THINK WE, I THINK WE GET THAT WORKED OUT ABOUT THE CARDINALS GAME BECAUSE I, WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE IF WE COULD DO IT BEFORE THE GAME, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME. YEAH. THE ONLY THING THAT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE FIREWORKS IS GOOD FOR THEM THAT THEY'RE FUNDING THE FOUR H ONES. 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY WERE VERY EXPENSIVE. I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL. I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST FIREWORKS, BUT IF IT IS A TOWN THING, NONE OF OUR TOWN CITIZENS ARE GOING TO GET THE CLOSEUP VIEW OF FIREWORKS AT THE FOUR H CENTER. LIKE THEY GET. WELL, AND THEY STARTED CHARGING FOR IT IN RECENT YEARS TOO. YEAH. YOU HAVE TO, WELL YOU DID GET TO PAY. MM-HMM . I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, TO ME THAT WHILE, YES, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A HICCUP THIS YEAR WITH THE TIMING, THAT WAS NOBODY'S FAULT OF, YOU KNOW, WASN'T ANYBODY'S FAULT. PEOPLE REALLY HAVE LOVED THE FACT THAT THEY CAN COUNT ON FIREWORKS FROM US. AND BECAUSE YOU, I MEAN, LIKE NO MATTER WHERE YOU SIT IN THE TOWN, YOU CAN SEE 'EM. I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL FEEL THE WINDOW. YEAH, NO. YEAH. WE DO NEED TO HAVE THE SPECIFIC DISCUSSION AND AGREEMENT WITH THE CARDINALS THAT AT 10 O'CLOCK WE'RE GONNA PUT ON FIREWORKS. YOU'RE GONNA CALL US AGAIN? YEAH. OR THE FIREWORKS AND THEY'RE GONNA GO OFF. WE'RE, YEAH, WE GOT IN THIS, IT WAS AFTER 11 O'CLOCK. YEAH. PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE HIM, BUT PEOPLE TRYING TO SLEEP AND GET UP AND GO TO WORK. AND I HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS. I HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME PEOPLE TOO. I THINK HE NAMED WITH LIZZIE. AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING YOU SAID. 'CAUSE THAT WAS ANNOYING THIS YEAR. I KNOW WE ALL HAVE GRIEF WORK. HOWEVER, I THOUGHT I MISSED IT FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS THAT WHAT THE, THE, THE GLITCH ON THAT IS, IS THAT IT TAKES ABOUT 30 MINUTES TO, SO IF THEY CUT THE LIGHTS AT THE STADIUM, IT TAKE THE TYPE OF LIGHT. LIZ, I, UM RIGHT. THEY SAID IT TAKES SO LONG FOR THE LIGHTS TO FIRE BACK UP AT THE STADIUM. STADIUM. SO THEY SAID IF THEY CUT THE LIGHTS FOR OUR FIREWORKS, THEN THEY, WHEN THEY TURN THE LIGHTS BACK ON FOR THE LAST TWO INNINGS, TAKES SOME WHILE TO WARM BACK UP. SO, I DON'T KNOW. I COULDN'T SPEAK TO THAT. THAT'S SPECIFIC. WELL, I WAS TOLD THAT TIME, EXCUSE ME, I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE, BUT I, I WILL SAY THAT WE, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THEM DURING THE GAME, WHICH WAS AN EXTRAORDINARILY LONG GAME. I DON'T KNOW THEY'VE EVER HAD ONE QUITE THAT LONG. UM, BUT WE HAD TO WAIT FOR ONE OF THE LOWER LITTLE LEAGUE FIELDS TO CLEAR. 'CAUSE THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A LATE GAME THAT EVENING, SO WE COULD NOT, THEY WERE IN THE FALLOUT ZONE. WE COULD NOT GO UNTIL THEY HAD CLEARED. AND THEN WE WAITED AS LONG AS WE COULD REALLY STAND. AND THEN WE WENT. SO THIS YEAR THEY BROUGHT ON THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. SO IT WAS WORTH IT TO LET WHOEVER WAS PLAYING ON THAT BACK FIELD PLAY. ABSOLUTELY. UM, BUT THEY DIDN'T EVEN GET DONE UNTIL A LITTLE AFTER 10. I THINK IT JUST, IT WAS A CONFLUENCE OF THINGS WE WEREN'T EXPECTING. SO YOU'VE GOT A PLAN TO MITIGATE THAT THIS YEAR. BUT I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK THAT I'VE, FROM WHAT I'VE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU LIVE AND YOU LEARN ABOUT THINGS AND THAT WAS AN EXPERIENCE LAST YEAR THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET WITH THE CARDINALS AND JUST LIKE, HEY, WHAT'S THE BEST PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE SAY AT DUST, THE FIREWORKS ARE GOING OFF, THAT PEOPLE AREN'T WAITING. SO I'LL BE CANDID WITH YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I, I BEGGED THEM TO PAUSE THE GAME AND THEY WOULDN'T. SO, UM, EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T TURN THE LIGHTS OFF JUST TO PAUSE THE GAME, SO NOBODY WAS ON THE FIELD, THEY WOULDN'T, LIKE GLEN SAID, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS OH. SO WE'RE JUST GONNA, WE CAN'T EVEN, WE'RE JUST GONNA SET A TIME AND THAT'LL BE WHEN WE SHOW 'EM THIS YEAR. YEAH. YEAH. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW THAT WE DO SOME FUNDRAISING AND SPONSORSHIPS. IS THE 17,000 BEFORE OR AFTER THAT? I THINK WE STOPPED. DIDN'T, I THINK WE STOPPED HAVING SPONSORS WEREN'T REALLY SPONSORING. RIGHT. WE DID HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT CONTRIBUTED, WASN'T IT BEYOND WE DID THE FIRST TIME IT CAME OUT WE HAD SOME SPONSORSHIP. RIGHT, LIZZIE. BUT THEN AFTER THAT, THE FIRST YEAR WE HAD ONE BUSINESS WHO, WHO SPONSORED A THOUSAND DOLLARS, I BELIEVE. YEAH. I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA CONTINUE TO SOLICIT THAT, BUT, SO, [01:00:01] UM, OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? THE FIREWORKS, THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET US TO GIVE IT UP. SO BECAUSE THE COUNTY WAS DOING IT, IS THAT WHY YOU I JUST WANTED TO, I WANTED TO DO IS SHOW THE REDUNDANCY COUNTY SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY SHOWN THEIR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN, PROVIDING COMMUNITY WITH FIREWORKS. BUT I THINK IT'S, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE. BUT ESPECIALLY. AND THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS, UH, JUST FRIDA THE, SO WE HAVE THE 50,000 FOR, UH, FOR SEED MONEY. THEN WE HAVE THE 55,000 FOR RETAIL STRATEGIES FOR YEAR THREE. UH, I THINKING MOST LIKELY WE'LL PROBABLY END UP COMBINING THOSE UNLESS THERE'S OTHER THOUGHTS. BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT'S FOR THE, UH, SEED MONEY FOR, UM, WHICH ONE WAS THAT FOR THE SEED MONEY? SEED MONEY IS FOR FRIDA. JUST TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MONEY TO GET ALONG. OKAY. THE, THE RETAIL STRATEGY. I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DISCUSS THAT IN THE MEETING BEFORE WE DID ANYTHING WITH IT. WE ARE, BUT YEAH, I MEAN TONIGHT THAT'S THE ONE THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, HE'S GOTTA PREPARE A BUDGET EVERYTH JUST FOR BUDGET TALK. SO WANTED TO SHOW, UH, SHOW THAT. UM, NOW THAT'S ALL I HAD THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT FOR THAT PAGE. , THE TIMING OF THAT IS A LITTLE OFF, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA GO INTO YEAR TWO, BUT WE JUST VOTED TO APPROVE YEAR TWO. RIGHT. AND THE MONEY THOUGH IS GOING TO A 12 MONTH PERIOD. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS FOR 27 . RIGHT? IT'LL START NEXT. WE JUST APPROVED 26. SO YOU COULD APPROVE IT IN DECEMBER OF 26. THE EXPENDITURE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. I HEAR WHAT YOU TAKING. YOU'RE BASICALLY LIKE HALF YEAR. NO, I GOTCHA. YEAH, THEY WOULDN'T GET THAT AGAIN UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR, YEAR FROM NOW IF THEY DO. UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, SO THE, THE DEFERRED ITEMS COULD POTENTIALLY THOUGH COME THROUGH BY GRANTS, RIGHT? LIKE ABSOLUTELY. SO, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THESE TREE ITEMS. I THINK SOME OF THEM, NOT ALL OF 'EM, BUT SOME OF THEM, YEAH. ARE THOSE TREE THINGS. OKAY. SO HORTICULTURE ACES, HAZARDOUS TREE REMOVAL. I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT COULD BE SOME OF THE TREES DOWN ON MAIN STREET AND AROUND THE GAZEBO. 'CAUSE ARE ISN'T THERE LIKE IT SAYS GAZEBO? NO, I KNOW I'M TALKING ABOUT UP THERE AT THE TOP. THAT'S NOT ORANGE. SO WE HAVE SOME FUNDS THIS YEAR FOR THE GAZEBO. ROBERT. WE HAVE SOME MONEY. WE HAVE SOME FUNDS, UH, FOR THE GAZEBO THIS YEAR. AND OUR THOUGHT WAS TO SEE HOW FAR THIS IS GOING TO TAKE US AND THEN COME BACK, UH, MAYBE IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE WHEN AND SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. UH, WHAT IS THE PLAN TO TAKE ALL THE CANOPY DOWN AND PUT NEW OR JUST SHAKE HIS HEAD THOUGH? I THINK THE THING IS TO TRY TO TAKE A FEW AT A TIME, RIGHT. AND BUY LARGER, LARGER TREES TO START NEW SO WE DON'T JUST WHACK 'EM ON, ON THE GROUND. THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE SAPLINGS FOR THAT. EXACTLY. I WON'T PUT ALONG ENOUGH TO SEE THAT WAY. BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU DO 'EM ALL AT ONCE AND PUT LITTLE TREES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE NO, WELL YOU'RE GONNA LOSE SOME OF THEM THAT CAN, A LOT OF THAT TOO WAS LIKE, LIKE DEAD TREES. LIKE BOWMAN PARK, WHEN THEY DIED, WE SPENT LIKE 18 GRAND UP THERE HAVING NOOSE. THAT'S JUST ONE TREE, WASN'T IT? TWO? NO, TWO. TWO. GEEZ. GOTTA GET YOU THE NAME OF MY TREE. . ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THERE? ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT PAGE? GUYS? WE, THE BRUSH GRINDING, WE DETERMINE THAT BRUSH GRINDING IS, UH, TO OUTSOURCE IS MORE FEASIBLE FOR US TO OUTSOURCE THAT. UM, THEY'LL COME IN AND CLEAN IT OUT AND A COUPLE OF DAYS TRYING TO SELL THE OLD ONE, STILL TRYING SELL OLD ONE . AND MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY COMING IN FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO PAY TO BRING THEIR STUFF. FEBRUARY ONE, RIGHT? FEBRUARY ONE IT WON'T BE A LOT, BUT IT'LL KNOCK ON SOMETHING. I THINK IT'LL BE MORE OF A DETERRENT THAN THAT. BUT POSSIBLE THAT'LL BE, THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE MAYBE WE WON'T NEED THE 50,000, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHAT ROBBIE HAD SAID, RIGHT? LIKE 50, THE LESS WE TAKE IN THE LESSON, WE YEAH. SO WHO KNOWS THAT NUMBER COULD CHANGE. THAT MIGHT BE THE EXTRA. GET ANOTHER, ALRIGHT. UH, LET'S SEE HERE. MOVING OVER TO THE MACHINERY EQUIPMENT. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. UH, MY NOTES, UM, OH, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO APOLOGIZE FOR IS THAT NOTE THAT I DID HAVE THE SINGLE AXLE BELT TRUCK ONE YEAR TWICE. THAT IS MY ERROR. UM, WE ARE ONLY LOOKING AT IT ONLY ONCE. YEAH. 'CAUSE TWO DIFFERENT PRICES. YEAH, WELL WE WAS STRETCHING IT OVER TWO DIFFERENT, OR A DIFFERENT AMOUNT OF YEARS. UM, BUT YEAH, THE, SO IT IS, IT IS ONLY ONE DUMP TRUCK. UH, BUT REALLY I HAD NOTHING ON HERE THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL, WELL, I WILL, I LOVE WHEN I SEE THE THINGS THAT ARE LIKE YEAR TWO OF TWO OR YEAR THREE OF THREE BECAUSE THEN I SAY, OKAY, SO LIKE THAT REPLACING THE 1988 [01:05:01] TRACK LETTER YEAR TWO OF TWO. SO NEXT YEAR THAT 250,000 WON'T BE LISTED, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. THE UM, JUST SAY THAT WE WON'T NEED TO SPEND ON SOMETHING ELSE, BUT AT LEAST, AND WE DID HAVE TO UP THAT A LITTLE BIT. I THINK THIS YEAR WE ONLY HAD 150 OR 175 AND WE HAD TO UP IT FOR NEXT YEAR TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ENOUGH FUNDS. BE FOUR YEARS ALL BY THE TIME. EXACTLY. SO IT'S, IT'S SERVED ITS PURPOSE HOPEFULLY . YEAH. AND THEN THE GEORGE CAP, LIKE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT IT'S YEAR TWO TOO. CABINET FOR 20 GRAND PROBABLY ON A, PROBABLY A, UH, THAT'S FOR THE SITE PLANS. SITE PLAN STORAGE. STORAGE CABINET WAS 20 GRAND SITE PLAN AND AS-BUILTS. OH, FOR ALL THE, THAT'S FOR ALL OUR, YEAH, WE GOT A C CONTAINER. NOW THEY'RE IN RECYCLE BINS AND THEN CARGO BOXES. SO IT'S THE ONES WHERE YOU CAN LAY 'EM FLAT AND THEN PUT 'EM ALL, WE HAVE SITE PLANS LIKE BACKS IN THE SEVENTIES. THEY'RE JUST IN A SEA CONTAINER. SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO, WE WANT TO TRY TO GET 'EM ALL OUT AND LABEL 'EM AND PUT 'EM IN SOMETHING AND OUT OF THE SEA CONTAINER RIGHT BEFORE THEY GET DAMAGED JAIL. WE HAVE PLANTS WHEN DUPONT WAS LIKE DONE ALL THE WATER AND SERVE IN THE SEVENTIES. YEAH. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD OLD STUFF. IT'S JUST YEAH. THAT WAY WE CAN PUT IT SOMEPLACE WHERE IT'S SAFE. YEAH. WHERE IT'S SAFE. YOU GET TO FLAT FILE CABINETS. PEOPLE HAVE ROOM, BUT THEY ARE, YEAH. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF DIGITIZING? YEAH, WE ARE UH, DISCUSSING DIGITIZING A LOT OF THESE RECORDS AS WELL, WHICH WILL HOPEFULLY LESSEN THAT COST. BUT, UM, SHE'S, HE'S GONNA MAKE, SHE'S PICKING AT ME, I SWEAR TO GOODNESS I'M NOT. BUT TWO ADDITIONAL POLICE VEHICLES. THIS WAS MY QUESTION. SO IF IT'S ONE 60, DOES ONE OF 'EM COST 80,000? I MEAN I, WHAT WHAT IS IS THAT THE LITTLE FORD? NOT LITTLE BUT THE FORD EXPLORER. YEAH. AS AN, AN HEAVY FULLY EQUIPMENT. THOSE VEHICLES, THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE TO EQUIP AND HAVE. SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THAT'S WHAT I, I THOUGHT I KNOW IS EASILY 60 PLUS. YEAH, I WAS SAY I STARTED CAR SHOP BUT THEY BUT THEY POLICE EQUIPMENT THE WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, IT'S LIKE THERE'S LIKE ONE OR TWO SPOTS IN VIRGINIA THAT YOU CAN GET 'EM FROM RIGHT. PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE. YEAH. DEPENDS ON THE CONTRACT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. GO AHEAD. IT DEPENDS ON THE CONTRACT WHERE YOU GET BRANDON, TAG DONNA HERE TOO. 'CAUSE HE GETS A LOT OF THE CONTRACTS TOO. BUT ROUGHLY IT CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 46 TO 50 BY THE TIME YOU ADD YOUR LIGHT PACKET BECAUSE THEY DON'T COME COMPLETE. YOU HAVE TO SELECT THE OPTIONS THAT THEY LEAVE OFF AND THEY ADD ADDITIONAL CHARGES. RIGHT. THEN YOU START ADDING THE CAMERA SYSTEM IN IT. ALL THE GEAR, THE PARTITIONS FOR THE PRISONER TRANSPORT IT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT 80,000 A CAR AND THEY DO ALL OF THAT. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WHEN IT GETS HERE. I THEY STRIP IT. I THOUGHT WE DID IT ALL. DOES IT ALL. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE ORDERED. SO WE ORDERED THE, WE WERE A POLICE PACKAGE AND THEN WE INSTALL THE ASSESSMENTS AND DECALS. MAN, THEY GOT A RACKET GOING THEN DON'T YEAH, THEY SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY. TOWN SHOP PUTTING ALL THIS STUFF ON THERE. NO, I, NO, NOT REALLY. IVE BEEN CARS SHOPPING AND THEY'RE LIKE 50,000 WITH NO, IT WOULD LIGHTS OR SIREN STRAIGHTEN ON AND CIVILIAN THEY'LL DOING IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE THAN THAT. YEAH, I KNOW. THAT'S QUESTION. NO, I KNOW YOU SAVE US MONEY DON, BUT I'M LIKE WHOEVER'S SELLING THOSE THINGS AT 80,000, THAT'S LOT. BUT I GUESS ALL THE EQUIPMENT INSIDE, WELL YOU GET THE BASE MODEL, THEY'RE RIGHT AROUND WHAT, 46, 40 8,000, DEPENDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT OPTION. THE TIME YOU HAD YOUR, YOUR ROAD READY PACKAGE FOR YOUR LIGHT PACKAGE AND THEN THAT'S WHEN IT STARTS INCREASING. SO THOSE TWO WILL GO IN. RIGHT. BUT TWO AREN'T COMING OUT YET, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON MILEAGE. RIGHT AFTER A HUNDRED SOME THOUSAND WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, TRYING TO, UH, INCREASE THE LONGEVITY OF OUR VEHICLES. UM, SO THE UH, PLAN IS, IS WE, WE GET TWO ADDITIONAL VEHICLES AND IF WE GET OFFICERS WE'RE GONNA NEED AN ADDITIONAL, THIS IS, IT'S TIED TO THE, IT'S TIED ALL TIED TOGETHER. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON THERE. CAR'S A HOT SEAT IN 24 7, 3. I KNOW. FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT. I KNOW ALL ABOUT THAT. I UNDERSTAND. I I TOTALLY GET IT. THE OTHER THING IS, IS WHEN I FIRST CAME HOME WE WERE CATCHING UP BECAUSE THEY HADN'T REPLACED THEM IN SO, SO LONG. THEY NEEDED, WE TRIED TO STAGGER 'EM BUT WE BARELY COULD. OKAY. SO WE JUST GOT ALL I HAVE FOR THIS PAGE, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I COULD DISCUSS, SIR. BUT IF WE APPROVED THE OFFICERS, WE GOTTA HAVE CARS FOR 'EM. SO THOSE TWO THINGS GO TOGETHER. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. . JUST TO ADD TO THE POLICE CARS, WHAT WE DID IS WE HAVE A SECOND DAYS AFTER NIGHT WHERE THEY'RE NOT HIGH SEATED. THEY'RE ACTUALLY RESTING FOR 12 HOURS. SO WE KEEP SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE COSTS IN THE MILEAGE DOWN. THE PLAN IS ONCE WE GET THESE OLDER ONES OUT, I THINK WE WILL HAVE LESS COMING BACK. THE NASTY FOUR. SO IF FINGERS CROSSED, EVERYTHING LINES UP. RIGHT? THAT'S , BJ SO A SOLID WITNESS REPLACE 6 6 1 20 12. IS THAT A TRASH TRUCK? UM, IT IS. WHAT TYPE OF TRASH TRUCK IS TO BE DETERMINED? UH, DEPENDS ON, THAT'S WHY I HAVE A QUESTION MARK FOR THE NUMBER OF YEARS. 'CAUSE IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE. RIGHT? UH, PLAN IS GO AHEAD AND START SETTING ASIDE FUNDS. 'CAUSE WE KNOW WE NEED TO REPLACE THE TRUCK EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. WE DO HAVE THE, UH, MSW CONSULTANTS SHOULD BE COMING BACK TO [01:10:01] YOU GUYS HERE IN MARCH OR FEBRUARY OR MARCH, UH, TO GIVE UH, THEIR FINDINGS ON THE AUTO STUDY THAT, UH, GOT THAT BEING CONDUCTED. THEY WERE JUST ON SITE HERE JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND, UM, GOT SOME GOOD INFORMATION I FEEL. IS THE, UM, THE AIR CONDITIONER REPLACEMENT TO INCLUDE HEAT, IS THAT PARTICULAR PART OF TOWN HALL OR IS IT? TOWN HALL IS CURRENTLY ON THE, THE BOILER AND THAT'S THE ONLY SOURCE OF HEAT WE HAVE. SO ONE, UH, THOUGHT IS TO AT LEAST START CONVERTING THEM, UH, AIR CONDITIONERS OVER. SO WE'LL HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SOURCE OF HEAT. 'CAUSE THE BOILER. HOW'S THE BOILER? MIGHT IT WAS LIKE SUNNY EIGHTIES, LATE SEVENTIES, EARLY EIGHTIES. YEAH. LOOKING PRETTY GOOD TONIGHT. JINX IT. EXACTLY, EXACTLY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT PAGE? UH, INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, SO A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE. UH, SIDEWALK ARE THE ADDITIONAL $117,000 THAT WE NEED FOR THAT PROJECT FOR THE TOWN PORTION OF IT. UH, TRYING TO INCLUDE THAT FOR NEXT YEAR. WAS HOPING THAT'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT THIS PAST BUDGET CYCLE BUT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND THEN, UH, ADDITIONAL FUNDS, FORNANDO AVENUE STREETLIGHTS 532,000. WHAT, WHAT KIND OF STREET LIGHTING? I JUST SAID THAT I SAW IT LAST NIGHT. I WAS LIKE, IS THAT A TYPO? YES. SO WE HAD BEEN PUTTING ASIDE, WE PUT ASIDE SOME FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT. CURRENTLY THIS IS ANOTHER REVENUE SHARING PROJECT WITH VDOT AND OUR SHARE OF THAT REVENUE SHARING IS 775,000. CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. IS R 50% OF THE LIGHTS 1.5 MILLION TOTAL? SO LET ME TELL YOU WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS AND SEE IF I'M CORRECT. SO YEARS AGO WE HAD A PEDESTRIAN DEATH. THEY DECIDED WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH LIGHTING ALONG SHAND AVENUE AND THIS WAS DREAMED UP TO PUT LIGHTS ON SHE AVENUE, LIKE THE BRIDGE LIGHTS. CORRECT. AND WE HAVE ALL THE POLE LIGHTS IN. CORRECT. I'M ASK THEY GOT BACK HERE. DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE MORE LIGHTING THAN WE HAVE NOW? SO, SO WHY ARE WE DOING IT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE, WE'VE TALKED TO VDOT AND THE FIRST QUESTION WAS IF, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE OTHER NEEDS FOR THAT MONEY CURRENTLY. UH, YOU KNOW, THE HAPPY CREEK RESTORATION, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME FLOOD DAMAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WE COULD BE USING THESE FUNDS IF WE STILL WANTED TO DO THE STREET LIGHTING. CAN WE BUMP THAT TIMELINE OUT BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMELINES TO IT. WE CAN DO THAT WITH VDOT. THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, IS IF WE WERE TO DECIDE THAT THIS WAS NOT A PROJECT THAT WE FELT WAS NECESSARY AT THIS TIME, IF WE WERE TO CANCEL IT, AND THEN WOULD WE BE PENALIZED BY ANY WAY? WE OBVIOUSLY DO NOT WANT TO JEOPARDIZE EVER OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH BDOT, BUT CANCELING PROJECTS AND GET IN A PATTERN OF CANCELING PROJECTS. WE JUST LIKE THEY DO. SO WE HAVE, WE'VE ASKED THAT WE WOULDN'T, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THEM TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER. BUT YES, I DO FEEL THAT WE ALREADY HAVE LIGHTS ON THE STREET. RIGHT. WE WOULD BE REPLACING LIGHTS FOR LIGHTS AND I DON'T THINK CURRENTLY IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET THAT'S A WISE SPENDING OF 500,000 OR SAVING. I THINK AT THIS POINT I EITHER WOULD LIKE TO DELAY OR TO CONTEMPLATE WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY REPLACING LIGHTS FOR LIGHTS, LIGHT'S NOT AS GOOD AS WHAT WE HAVE FOR, FOR SITE VISIBILITY, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. IT'S WELL LIT AND I GO ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND IT'S LIKE A SHADOW. YEAH. I MEAN THERE'S A LIGHT AND HERE'S THE LIGHT, BUT IN BETWEEN THERE'S DARK. I CAN'T SEE THAT INCREASING. PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, JUST THE OPPOSITE. THIS INITIATIVE CAME A LONG TIME BEFORE UPGRADES ON SHENANDOAH AVENUE THAT ARE CORRECT. I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND THIS WAS COUNCILMAN BILL SEA LOCK'S INITIATIVE AND BEFORE SHEETS WAS PRESENT, CORRECT? RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WAS HAPPENING. THE PEOPLE IN THE MOTELS WERE RUNNING OVER TO SPEEDWAY. RIGHT. BUT ALSO, WE JUST SAW A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, SOMEONE ON A MOBILITY SCOOTER BE RAN OVER RIGHT IN THE SAME AREA AS THE PEDESTRIAN WHO WAS KILLED AND PEOPLE CONTINUED TO BE HIT. SOMEONE RAN OUT IN FRONT OF ME AND BLACK CLOSED THE OTHER NIGHT AND THEY GOT LUCKY. BUT, UM, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE LIGHTS AREN'T GONNA CHANGE IT OR FIX IT. THEY'RE, THERE'S A BIGGER ISSUE ON, ON NANDO AVENUE. CORRECT. AND, UM, YEAH, I I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF CANCELING THIS PROJECT ALTOGETHER THAT WE HAVE NEW LIGHTS SINCE THE PEDESTRIAN DEATH RIGHT. THAT YOU WERE REFERENCING AND SHEETS GOT BUILT AND REALLY, UH, TOOK AWAY ALOP. THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THE FROGGER WOULD BE A SKYWALK. AND I DON'T WANT ONE OF THOSE THERE. IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE THERE JUST FOR PEOPLE TO CARRY THEIR BEER AND CIGARETTES BACK AND FORTH, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA, AND WE STILL KNOW THEY'LL CROSS OVER HERE. THEY WON'T WALK THE STREET HUNDRED. THE SKYLIGHT? NO. WAS THINKING THAT THE PEDESTRIAN DEPUTY [01:15:01] WERE REFERRING TO IS THE PERSON COMING OUT THE HOSPITAL YEARS AGO BUMP OUTS ON THEODOR AVENUE SLOPE? YEAH, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE. NO, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE BETWEEN WHERE LIKE THE BRIDGE AND BETWEEN THE BRIDGE AND SAY SATELLITE. THAT WAS A MOTEL. SOMEBODY WAS GOING ACROSS THE STREET TO GET WHATEVER. SO WHEN, SO THE TIMING OF THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY WE COULD GET OUT OF IT FROM 'CAUSE OF THE HOSPITAL. THE HOSPITAL'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. SO THE TRAFFIC IS DIFFERENT. NO, IT'S NOT GOING DOWN THERE. OKAY. STOP AT THE INTERSECTION AT 14TH. AND I THINK YOU CAN LOOK UP THE NEWS ARTICLES FROM THE ROYAL EXAMINER FOR THOSE MEETINGS. IT WAS COUNCILMAN BILL, SEA LOCK BROUGHT THESE INITIATIVES AS WELL AS SOUTH STREET INITIATIVES FORWARD ABOUT 7, 8, 9 YEARS AGO AT THIS POINT MAYBE. AND THEY'RE JUST COMING TO FRUITION. BUT WE'VE MADE IMPROVEMENTS AND HAD DEVELOPMENT SINCE ALL OF THAT TOOK PLACE. SOUTH STREET HASN'T CHANGED. LIKE SOUTH STREET DOESN'T, THEY ADDED THE PUSH BUTTON FLASHING CROSSWALKS. BUT I'M SAYING I DON'T FEEL LIKE SOUTH STREET'S ANY BRIGHTER WHEREAS LIKE HUNDO AVENUE IS BRIGHTER FOR, BUT THAT MAY BE PART OF THE VDOT IMPROVEMENTS SMART SCALE PROJECT, DIFFERENT PROJECT, DIFFERENT FUNDING, DIFFERENT CRITERIA. I DON'T THINK V O'S GONNA BE MAD TO NOT MEET OUR FUND. AND SO I THINK YES. SO I THINK AND ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FURTHER DOWN, CLOSER TO THE BRIDGE MAY HAVE WARRANTED A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AS WELL IN THAT AREA DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO THERE'S THOSE OPTIONS THAT ALSO CREATE BETTER PEDESTRIAN, UM, ACCESS. SO AT THIS POINT, YEAH, WE WILL, WE'LL TAKE THIS BACK. OBVIOUSLY TODAY'S DISCUSSION, UM, BUT IT IS ON MY MIND OF HOW YOU KNOW WHAT WE DO. I I DON'T THINK AT THIS CURRENT TIME, THIS IS IN THE NEXT FUNDING BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER NEEDS THAT I THINK ARE MORE NECESSARY AT THIS POINT WITH LIKE BRIEF BANK RESTORATION, ET CETERA. OR THAT MONEY WOULD BE MORE SPENT LEAST THAN NEXT FISCAL YEAR. BJ I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION I SEE HERE IS ABOUT, UM, HOW MANY ONE FIRE DEPARTMENT WATER METER. 45. $5,000. THIS WAS THE VAULT. UH, SO, UM, THE UM, OBVIOUSLY THE TOWN AND THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT YEARS AGO, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GETS FREE WATER FROM THE TOWN. RIGHT? CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE, IT'S NOT METERED. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY USE. UH, WE WE'RE GONNA SPEND $25,000 TO SEE HOW MUCH MORE WE NEED. YEAH. AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE IT TO 'EM ANYWAY. YEAH. BUT WE, IT HELPS US IN THE ASPECT OF, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE REPORTING THAT WE NEED TO DO TO DEQ. SO FOR WATER LOSS IS OVER A CERTAIN POINT FOR DEQ AND WE CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR IT. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH DIFFERENT, UM, UH, MEANS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHERE THAT WATER LOSS IS. SO WE'RE HOPING, HOPING THAT THAT WILL AT LEAST HELP US WITH THE WATER LOSS AND BE ABLE TO TRACK HOW MUCH IS BEING USED. ROB, YOU HAVE SOMETHING THERE? YEAH, I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, ONCE IT HITS 30% FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS, UM, WE HAVE TO EITHER DO LIKE LEAK DETECTION, LARGE METERS TESTING AND THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS. WE'VE BEEN UP, UP IN THE MID THIRTIES AND WE'VE HAD DONE LEAK DETECTION. WE JUST DID SOME METER TESTING, WE FOUND SOME STUFF. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WAY AT LEAST THAT'S, THAT MUCH WE CAN WRITE OFF OF IT. WOW. THIS ALSO HELPED US REBUT WHEN THE COUNTY ASKED US TO PAY FOR EXTRA STAFF AT COMPANY ONE WHEN WE SHOWED HOW MUCH WE GIVE THEM FOR FREE AND WE AND PRIOR DISCUSSIONS AT LIAISON MEETINGS. YEAH. WE CAN'T ACTUALLY TELL THEM HOW MUCH, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WHEN THIS DID COME UP, WE, THERE WERE SUPERVISORS THAT, WELL THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE SURPRISED THEY WERE GO, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU ALL DON'T CHARGE 'EM FOR THE WATER. I SAID THAT'S ONE THING THING WE DO, WE COMPARED IT TO THE UH, ROCK ONE. YEAH. DO WE, DO WE THAT ONE IS METERED. OKAY. AND WE DO CHARGE ONE. THAT'S ONLY QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR PAGE 11? UH, THEN THE LAST PAGE IS OUR DEBT SERVICE. UM, THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA HIGHLIGHT ON THERE IS THE FIRST TWO THERE, THE CENTRIF, FUGE AND RIVERTON PUMP STATION. MM-HMM . THOSE ARE POTENTIAL DEBT SERVICES. UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS WITH DEQ, UM, UH, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE ARE GOING TO LAND. WE WERE APPROVED, UH, WE HAVE TO CLOSE BY NOVEMBER ON THOSE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS. BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE. AND THEN THE REST OF THE ITEMS ARE PRETTY MUCH SAME FROM YEAR OVER YEAR. THINGS THAT WE'VE UH, UH, HAD AND HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. JUST PUTTING THEM UP THERE TO BRING THEM FRONT AND CENTER. UH, THE ONE I NOTICED THESE WERE ON PARKWAYS ON THERE. YEP. UH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE PAID TO. UH, UH, THAT'S OUR PORTION FOR THE VR A BOND TO, UM, TO WARREN COUNTY. THE OTHER ONE I'D LIKE TO BRING ATTENTION TO IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, SO THAT IS WITH UNITED BANK. IT'S A 10 YEAR, 10 YEAR NOTE FOR 30 YEAR AM MORTIS AMORTIZATION. UH, WE WILL HAVE TO REFINANCE $6.1 MILLION OF THAT AND UH, BY MARCH OF 2031, UH, OF GETTING A 1.87 INTEREST RATE. NOT GONNA, [01:20:01] WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET THAT. I MEAN I DON'T, OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT 2031 BRINGS, BUT, UM, I'D BE HIGHLY DOUBTFUL. IT'S GONNA BE A 1.87% INTEREST RATE. DJ DID YOU SAY WE'VE ALREADY GOT APPROVAL FOR THE, UH, CENTRIFUGE AND THE PUMP STATION? YES, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE APPROVALS, UH, FROM UH, DEQ, UH, ON THOSE. WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE WATER SIDE. UM, I HAVEN'T RECEIVED THOSE, SO, UH, APPROVAL FOR DENIALS. UM, BUT YES, WE HAVE THE APPROVALS. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH TO, UH, UH, TO FINALIZE THINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MEET ALL OF THE DEADLINES THAT ARE REQUIRED BY US. SOME, THERE WAS, UH, SOME DEADLINES THAT WERE, UH, PROVIDED TO US THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF, UH, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY GOT INTO IT. SO THE SWEEPER GETS PAID OFF NEXT YEAR. HALLELUJAH. I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. YEAH. AM I SILLY TO SAY? AM I SILLY TO THINK THAT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, THE ONE THAT ENDS ON OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR, 757,000? MM-HMM . OKAY. SO THE TWO, BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAID THOSE TWO OFF, THE TOP TWO ARE BASICALLY GONNA BE NEW. LIKE IN MY HEAD I WAS THINKING WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE WE? WE ALREADY PLANNED FOR THOSE. WE'VE ALREADY, HUH? WE'VE ALREADY PLANNED FOR THOSE. THEY'RE INCLUDED IN THE RATES. WE ALREADY PLANNED FOR THOSE TWO. WE'RE OKAY, WE'RE INCLUDED IN THE RATES. YES. BUT, BUT THIS, BUT THE THING DOWN THERE, THE 757,000 AFTER OUR TWO OR FOR THE NEXT YEAR, WILL THAT BE, SO ALL THESE WATERLINE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE PUSHING OFF, WE'LL BE ABLE TO START KNOCKING SOME OF ALRIGHT, GOOD TO KNOW. THAT'S, THERE'S ALWAYS NO, I WONDER 'CAUSE I DID FEEL LIKE THERE WAS AN AWFUL LOT OF ORANGE. YEAH. WE, WE OFF AND BY THE TIME WE GET THOSE CAUGHT UP, IT'LL BE TIME FOR WATER TREATMENT PLATE OFF GRAPE AGAIN. I KNOW YOU RIGHT? YEAH. HOW WORKS TOOK ME, AND THIS IS PROBABLY A ROBBIE COMMENT AS WELL, WHEN JOE TOOK ME TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, I GUESS WHEN WE GET A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RAIN, WE CAN'T PROCESS IT ALL. THAT SOMEHOW HAS TO FLOW ON INTO THE RIVER ONCE WE ABOUT HE'S, HE HAD SAID AT THE TIME, ONE OF HIS IDEAS WAS TO PUT IN A RESERVOIR THERE FOR THE OVERFLOW, CAPTURE THAT AND TREAT IT WHEN YOU, UH, EQ BASIN. IT WAS ORIGINALLY WHEN THEY DID THE LAST UPGRADE, IT WAS PART OF THE 60 MILLION AND THEY CUT IT DOWN TO THE, WAS IT 48? AND THAT WAS PART OF WHAT GOT CUT WAS AN EQ BASIN. DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE? UM, WE HAD CHA THEY'RE COMING IN NEXT WEEK. THEY'RE COMING NEXT WEEK TO DISCUSS THE FLOW. WELL, I'M, I'M JUST THINKING IF WE COULD COMBINE THAT WITH THE CENTRIFUGE AND THE RIVER CAN PUMP, THEN WE, WE SOLVE THREE PROBLEMS AT ONE TIME. SEE IF THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. OKAY. YEAH. AND WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR THEM SEPARATELY. SO WE'D HAVE TO DO THE ENGINEERING ON THAT TO DO IT. UM, YEAH, SO THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA APPARENTLY. BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, STEVIE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. UM, NEXT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? ACTUALLY, THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE IS I, I WAS GONNA SAY, BUT IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTION YOU'RE THE NEXT ONE TO OR BE. YEP. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. WE JUST, UM, YEAH, I'M FINE. AND IF ANY QUESTIONS COME UP, FEEL FREE TO GIVE MYSELF TELL MANAGER. WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THEM MORE, BUT WANTED TO BRING THOSE IN TO LIGHT BEFORE WE STARTED BUILDING THE BUDGET UP. UM, READY FOR FOUR B THEN FOUR B IS THE BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR GRANT AWARD OPERATIONS, CEASE FIRE, FORENSIC AND ANALYTICAL TECHNOLOGY. THAT'S A, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT GOT APPROVED. COURT GRANT. UM, $110,143. UH, FUNDS WILL BE USED TO BUY SOME, UH, UH, EQUIPMENT SUCH AS, UH, WHAT, $60,000 FOR FORENSIC SCANNER. $9,600 FOR POLES AND $14,000 FOR LIGHTS. UM, IT, IT IS ENTIRELY GRANT FUNDING. UH, ITS REQUIRE REQUESTING COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE TOWN TO ACCEPT THE FUNDS AND TO SUSPEND THE FUNDS. IT LOOK LIKE A NICE, NICELY WRITTEN GRANT WHO WROTE IT? IT WOULD'VE BEEN HER ADMIN ASSISTANT. BECKY. YEAH, IT LOOKED PRETTY GOOD. THAT WAS IMPRESSED TOO. I LOOKING. LOOKS GOOD. HAD A LOT. YEAH, MAN, IT WAS A LOT THERE TO HAVE TO YEP. INCLUDE, UM, IF COUNSEL DOESN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THIS, WE COULD HAVE IT IN THE JANUARY ONE G SIXTH MEETING. RIGHT? JANUARY 26TH. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, SO COULD, IS ANYBODY OKAY WITH IT BEING ON THE CONSENT? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. DO WE THINK WE'LL HAVE A RESPONSE FROM VO ABOUT THE SHENANDOAH AVENUE PROJECT BY THEN? THAT'S A PRETTY BIG IMPACT. OH. UM, YEAH, WE'LL TALK, I'LL GET WITH KEN TOMORROW WITH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ADDING THAT AMENDMENT THOUGH. THAT WAS JUST A BUDGET. THE OTHER THING, BUDGETING, WE HAD ALREADY MOVED ON. I'LL DEFINITELY, YOU SAID THAT I THOUGHT I KNEW THEN IT DAWNED ON ME YOU WERE THINKING LIKE THAT THING. I GOTCHA. SO IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT, WE'LL ADD THAT TO, UM, CONSENT, RIGHT? MM-HMM. ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT UP, I THINK YOU'RE [01:25:01] DONE FOR A LITTLE WHILE, MAYBE DONE PERIOD. BUT, UM, FIVE A IS A REQUEST FOR A TWO YEAR EXTENSION OF THE AUTOMATED SYSTEMS SPEED ENFORCEMENT SYSTEMS. FIVE DAWN SYSTEMS AGREEMENT WITH BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS. AND THAT IS JOE AND THE CHIEF, OR, OR I MEAN THAT'S WHO ASSIGNED IS ASSIGNED. YES. I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO . WE MET IN DECEMBER TO TALK ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF CONTRACT. GEORGE CAN TALK TO THE CONTRACT TERMS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IS PROVIDING SOME STATISTICAL DATA. SO IN YOUR PACKET, UM, TAKES THE CHIEF AND THE TEAM IS THAT YOU HAVE SOME YEAR OVER YEAR VIOLATION OF COMPARISON DATA THAT HAS THE FOUR ZONES, SHOWS WHAT THE CITATIONS WERE IN 2024 IN COMPARISON TO 2025 AND THE REDUCTION. AND AT THE VERY RIGHT SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE OVERALL REDUCTION IN FROM 2024 TO 2025. UH, WE DID ADD IN AT THE BOTTOM. THERE ARE SOME DATES FOR DECEMBER, JANUARY, AND FEBRUARY. UM, THAT DON'T HAVE YEAR OVER YEAR DATA BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF IMPLEMENTATION. BUT WE HAVE ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT WE DO HAVE MULTIPLE YEARS. SO IT DOES SHOW THAT WE ARE REDUCING THE VIOLATIONS, UM, WHICH IS THE, THE GOAL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HOPEFULLY THAT TREND CONTINUES IF THIS CONTRACT IS BEEN, SO I STILL MAY HAVE A NOTE IN HERE AND THEN, OH, HERE IT IS. UM, I ALWAYS GET HUNG UP ON THIS. UM, SO ON PAGE 45 WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT OWNERSHIP OF THE SYSTEM, UM, SO WE ABOVE THAT, I MEAN WE PAY, WE PAY FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND STUFF, BUT IT IS STILL CONSIDERED THEIRS. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT OUR, SO OUT OF OUR, OUT OF OUR FEES COMES THE PAYMENT FOR THE EQUIPMENT. BUT THEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO OWNERSHIP, IT SAYS THAT BLS IS THE SOLE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE EQUIPMENT. AND SO I'M CONFUSED. WHICH, WHICH PAGE NUMBER 45, ACTUAL CONTRACT? 45 OF THE CONTRACT. 45. PAGE FIVE. PAGE FOUR, PAGE 45 THOUGH OF THE, OF THE PDF. 45 OF THE PDF. I JUST, IT WOULDN'T ME LOOKING AT THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE MINE ONLY GOES UP TO 20 TO 20. ARE YOU ON 45 OF THE AGENDA? 45 OF THE, THE ENTIRE PACKET OF THE ORANGE, IT'S ON, IT'S ON PAGE FIVE OF 20. YES. OH FIVE OF 20 I KEPT HERE. I'M SORRY. NO, NO. SHE SAID SHE SAID 45. IT'S 45 OF THE AGENDA. I THOUGHT I WAS JUST YE IN HERE. SO, SO YOU'VE GOT FEES AND PAYMENT AND I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN PAYING FOR IT AGAIN OUT OF OUR, OUT OF OUR FINES. BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE OWNERSHIP, THE OWNERSHIP IS STILL GOING TO THEM. IF YOU CALENDAR NUMBER. WE, WE ASKED THAT VERY SAME QUESTION THE NIGHT HE CAME. REMEMBER THAT. BUT, BUT HE NEVER REALLY GAVE US AN ANSWER. 75 OUT OF THE HUNDRED. BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE EQUIPMENT'S NOT EVER GONNA BE OURS. AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE, THEY HAVE TO UPGRADE IT, MAINTAIN IT, RECALIBRATE IT. THEY HAD TO UPGRADE IT TO GET THE PICTURE FLASHING LIGHTS. WELL WE WERE, THE QUESTION I WAS ASKING THAT NIGHT WAS IF, IF LIKE WHEN DO WE GET TO A POINT OF STOPPING? WE DON'T BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA ALWAYS HAVE TO UPGRADE THEM, RECALIBRATE THEM, IMPLEMENT WHATEVER REGULATIONS ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP 'EM SUSTAINABLE. AS A REMINDER, THIS WAS A COOPERATIVE PROCUREMENT WE PIGGYBACKED ON WITH PHIL TOWN OF WOODVILLE. YEAH. YEAH. UM, SO THE CONTRACT TERMS WERE PRETTY WELL SET. UM, BUT YES, IT, IT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS. SO THERE'LL NEVER BE A POINT THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING BLUE LINE A PERCENTAGE OF THE REVENUE BECAUSE THEY'RE MAINTAINING THE EQUIPMENT 80 20. WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT OTHER THAN ORIGINALLY IN ONE OF THE EARLY, THAT FIRST CONTRACT WE WERE LOOKING AT, THERE WAS A PART IN THERE THAT SAID LIKE, WE PULLED OUT, WE HAD TO PAY THE, WE HAD TO PAY THE COST. YEAH. THAT WE HAD TO PAY THAT UNTIL THEY RECOVERED WITH PAYING PRETTY EQUIPMENT. BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT WILL NO LONGER BE IN A CONTRACT BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD 'EM FOR TWO YEARS. IF WE AGREE WITH IT, THEN AT THIS POINT, IF WE PULL OUT, WE JUST PULL OUT. RIGHT. AND I BELIEVE, UH, IF I REMEMBER IN THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS SPOKEN, WE ARE ONE OF THE FEW LOCALITIES THAT HAS A TWO YEAR CONTRACT WHERE OTHER CONTRACTS ARE LONGER AND OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, THEN YOU MAY START TO RECOVER SOME OF THOSE. BUT BECAUSE IT'S A TWO YEAR CONTRACT, LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE ALREADY REPLACED BASED ON STATE LAW WITH CAMERAS ON THEIR EXPENSE. MM-HMM . FROM THE 80 20 SPLIT WAS A CONCESSION. RIGHT. RIGHT. THOSE ARE 75 25. [01:30:01] YOU'RE RIGHT. $20 PER VIOLATION. THE PROCESS FEE THAT THEY GET, THAT'S WHERE THEY DO IT. THEY MAIL IT A, IT IS THEIR STAMP AND THEY COLLECT IT. JURISDICTION YEAH. THAT WE MAIL SOME. HMM. WE DON'T MAIL IT. THEY DO ALL THE MAILING. THEY DO ALL THE COLLECTING AND THEN THEY JUST CUT US CHECK. BUT ONE OF OUR PEOPLE, ONE OF OUR PEOPLE HAS TO VET IT. CORRECT. HAS TO CERTIFY THE VIOLATION, CERTIFIED IT, AND THEY DO ALL THAT. THE ONLY THING WE GET INVOLVED WITH WHAT THEY DON'T PAY APPEALS. APPEALS AND THEN YOU GO TO COURT AND DEFENDANT IT OR, OR PROSECUTE IT OR I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WORD PROSECUTE. OKAY. MM-HMM . GEORGE, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, 'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE DID THIS TWO YEARS AGO, WE ALL TALKED ABOUT LIKE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF LIKE STATISTICS OF HOW MANY THAT YOU'VE HAD TO LIKE TAKE TO COURT? THE APPEALS? YES. UM, WELL, I, I WAS ASKED PREVIOUSLY AND I ESTIMATED HIGH. I SAID 10 A MONTH. OKAY. WHICH IS PROBABLY LIKE THE HIGH WATER MARK IF YOU LOOK AT MONTH TO MONTH. OKAY. ACTUALLY, IT PROBABLY, PROBABLY AVERAGES AGAIN, I, I WOULD GUESS A YEAR, BUT FIVE, SIX. OKAY. FIVE OR SIX. AND HOW MANY PEOPLE JUST DON'T PAY IT AT ALL? I DON'T HAVE THAT. IT WAS A LOW NUMBER WHEN I ASKED. I DON'T HAVE THAT. THEY WERE RECOVERING QUITE A BIT. I DON'T REMEMBER WHO WAS IT EITHER TOLD US THAT, WELL, MY OFFICE DOESN'T SEE YOU ON REVENUE. OH, SORRY. ALL DOESN'T SEE THE REVENUE SIDE. WHEN THAT SAID YOU I WAS LOOKING AT NO, I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I OFTEN WONDER LIKE EVEN BEFORE THAT'S BEEN A ISSUE IN OTHER LOCALITIES IS PEOPLE JUST DON'T PAY. THEY JUST DON'T PAY AND 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND LIKE GARNISH THEIR TAXES, DO WE? NO. IF THEY DON'T PAY. NO. 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF LIKE A YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA REWRITE THE CONTRACT SO IT HAS THE RIGHT PEOPLE'S NAMES ON IT. RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, UPDATE IT. SO WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE DO IS, IS THERE A CONSENSUS TO ADD THIS TO THE JANUARY 26TH? ACTUALLY, I THINK IT SAID WE HAD TAKE ACTION SOONER. RIGHT? WAS THIS, THERE WAS ONE IN HERE TONIGHT WHERE IT SAID THAT THAT'S LATER. THERE WAS SOMEWHERE IT SAID WE NEED TO DO IT NEXT MONDAY NIGHT. SO 26TH. I'M JUST WAITING FOR MY, MY ASK IS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER JUST BECAUSE WE NEED SOME NOTICE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO GO RIGHT UP AGAINST THE END OF THE CONTRACT. WHEN IS THE END OF THE CONTRACT? WELL, IT'S MARCH. IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT TALKS ABOUT WHEN THE FIRST VIOLATIONS WERE WRITTEN. SO IT'S IT'S MID-MARCH. NO, BUT IF WE ACTION ON JANUARY 26TH, YOU DON'T, DOES THAT FEEL LIKE IT'S SOON ENOUGH? THAT'S FINE. I JUST, MY ASK IS NOT TO GO RIGHT UP AGAINST THE CONTRACT DEADLINE, WHICH IS JANUARY 26TH ONE. RIGHT. MY, WE WENT OVER THE NUMBERS BEFORE IN MY OTHER NOTEBOOK, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD OCTOBER AT THAT POINT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. ON PAGE 40 OF THE AGENDA, THERE'S A NEGATIVE 82.1% REDUCTION IN OCTOBER AND A NEGATIVE, WAIT, LET ME SEE WHICH ONE. THAT'S FOR A ROAD IT WENT UP, WE HAD MORE CITATIONS IN 2025 THAN IN 2024. BUT OVERALL, NO, IT'S OFFICE IT ISN'T IT? WELL, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THERE WAS NO REDUCTION FROM YEAR OVER YEAR. SO IN OCTOBER OF 2020 STARTED FEEDING MORE. YEAH. I MEAN, BUT, AND THEN IN NOVEMBER IT WENT DOWN 40% WHEN THEY GOT SERVED. YEAH. THEN, AND THEN THE TOTAL FOR THE YEAR FOR THAT PARTIC AS ROAD IS 30% REDUCTION. AND THAT COULD BE OCTOBER IS A LOT OF LEAF PAPER. NOT THAT I THINK ANYBODY'S GOING OUT ROSE. HUH? I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN SOME OF THOSE TOO. MM-HMM. THEY GO OUT THERE. WELL, WE'VE GOTTEN VISITORS WHO HAVE GOTTEN THEM. OH, I'M SURE I SEE JEFFRIES. I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING TO THE JOB. HE PROVIDE FEEDBACK WHEN THAT HAPPENS. SEEMS LIKE TO REMIND COUNSEL OF THE PRESENTATION FROM, FROM RANDY CAMPBELL. YEAH. MM-HMM . HE TALKED ABOUT SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF 94 TO 97% DROP IN VIOLATIONS BASED ON SURVEYS. IS THAT, I HOPE EVERYONE REMEMBERS THAT. YEAH. REMEMBER SO BEFORE THERE, SO THIS IS VIOLATIONS, BUT THAT DOESN'T YEAH, NO. AND I DON'T THINK THE NUMBERS SAY THAT IT WORKS, DOESN'T SPEAK TO COMPLYING WITH THE LAW. IT'S WEIRD THAT IT AS ROADS WAS A NEGATIVE 82% IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER BECAUSE YEAH. I DON'T THINK IS REALLY GOING TO STRAWS FOR, TO LOOK AT THE LEAFS FROM FRONT ROYAL. RIGHT. UM, WHAT'S A PLACE CALLED ELIZABETH FURMAN? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING OUT. OH YEAH, YEAH. GEORGE WASHINGTON NATIONAL PARK. YEAH. CAN THIS GO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? [01:35:01] THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET A CONSENSUS FOR. YES, I'M FINE. I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. SO CONSENT. YES. ALL RIGHT. 'CAUSE THE PUBLIC CAN STILL, BUT THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT REALLY WANTS TO COMMENT ON IT. THEY CAN DO IT DURING THE OPEN PERIOD. THEY CAN DO IT IN THE PUBLIC TIME. YEAH. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, FIVE B IS THE RETAIL STRATEGIES AGREEMENT RENEWAL. AND I APOLOGIZE, IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD HAVE SAID REVIEW, NOT RENEWAL, I APOLOGIZE. BUT IF YOU READ THE, SO WE, UH, COUNSEL APPROVED THAT ON DECEMBER 8TH. UM, AND AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION IT WAS TO HAVE REGULAR OCCURRING MEETINGS WITH RETAIL STRATEGIES. WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH FRIDA THIS MORNING. UM, THEY HAVE, UM, AIDEN MILLER, UH, HAS, YOU KNOW, SAID THAT HE WOULD BE WILLING TO SIT IN ON THESE CALLS. BASICALLY AT THIS POINT, WE'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL. WE CAN COORDINATE WITH YOU WHEN THOSE MEETINGS TAKE PLACE. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER JOIN US ON THOSE CALLS. IT CAN ROTATE. YOU ALL CAN PICK SOMEBODY, HOWEVER YOU ALL WANT TO DO THAT. BUT ESSENTIALLY WE ARE OPENING IT UP TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A COUNCIL MEMBER PRESENT ON THESE CALLS WHEN WE HAVE THEM. WE ARE TARGETING, UM, BECAUSE OF FRIDA MEETS THE FIRST MONDAY OF THE MONTH AT NOON TO SCHEDULE THOSE CALLS PRIOR TO THAT MEETING. SO THEY'RE ALREADY THERE AND WE COULD PULL IT UP AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING. SO IT WOULD BE DURING THE DAY, BUT IF WE HAD TO MOVE THOSE OCCASIONALLY TO ACCOMMODATE COUNSEL, WE'LL DO THAT AS WELL. BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE DOING TODAY. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY TOO, YOU KNOW HOW WE SAID EARLIER IN THE MEETING, LIKE ABOUT LIKE COMMITTEES OR WHATEVER. ORIGINALLY WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAKING THIS A COMMITTEE, BUT TO DO THAT IT INVOLVED, LIKE IT'S GOTTA BE PART OF THE TOWN CODE AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO WE WANTED THIS TO BE MORE OF A, A FLEXIBLE THING, LIKE THE LIAISON MEETING. IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE ONE MONTH. IT'S LYNN, IT COULD BE ONE MONTH. IT'S WAYNE, IT COULD BE ONE MONTH. IT'S MELISSA, IT COULD BE AMBER OR WHATEVER. OR, OR IT COULD BE THAT NOBODY IS AVAILABLE THAT MONTH EXCEPT FOR THE PERSON THAT WAS THERE THE MONTH BEFORE. AND THAT'S FINE. SO IT, IT WOULD ROTATE. IT CAN ROTATE. OR, OR, OR LIKE I SAID, IF NOBODY ELSE CAN KNOW, THEN IT COULD BE THE SAME PERSON. SOMEBODY COULD GO. I, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU GOTTA LISTEN TO AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND YEAH. SO SOMEBODY COULD BE THERE AND HAD THE CONTINUITY OF HEARING AND, OKAY, NEXT, NEXT REPORT. WE'RE EXPECTING THIS THAT YEAH. MAYBE ONE OF YOU GUYS IN TOWN. I, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE BANDWIDTH LEFT. I'M AVAILABLE DURING THE DAY AND I WAS ACTUALLY ASKED BY SOME, UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT. AND THEN, YEAH, NO, I, I WAS, I ORIGINALLY, I I WAS THINKING ABOUT HAVING YOU DO THAT JUST WITH YOUR REAL ESTATE KNOWLEDGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WELL, AND I'M WORKING ON A HUGE, BUT THEN THEY SAID WE HAD THE HOUSING IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER, LIKE I THINK IT TIES IN. YEAH. I THINK NOW I DON'T HAVE TO PROBLEM WITH HOW RETAIL STRATEGIES BE SUCCESSFUL. DIDN'T WE DISCUSS THOUGH? IT, WE COULDN'T, IT COULDN'T BE THAT I APPOINT YOU TO IT. YEAH. AND SO, WE'LL, IT'S GOT A, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, YOU'RE, THAT'S FINE. AND STAFF'S GONNA WORK WITH WELL, AND IT'LL BE A CALL. SO IT'S, YOU WON'T NEED TO BE PRESENT. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT LOCAL, SO IT WILL ALWAYS BE A CALL. SO THAT GIVES ALSO FLEXIBILITY TO COUNCIL, TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WILL BE ATTENDING THAT MONTH. WE'LL JUST JOIN BY, WE'LL SET UP THE TEAMS AND YOU CAN JUST JOIN VIRTUALLY. OR IF YOU WANT TO HANG OUT WITH US HERE, WE'LL WELCOME THAT TOO. WHEN WILL THE FIRST ONE TAKE PLACE? SO WE HAVE, UH, FREEDOM SWORN. SO I'LL GET WITH, UM, MS. LEWIS TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THAT PERSON WILL BE COMING UP. IT WILL EITHER, UNLESS WE SCHEDULE ONE AHEAD OF TIME. UM, IT WOULD BE AT THE FEBRUARY FREEDOM MEETING. OKAY. SO THAT DATE. IT'S THE FIRST, IT'S THE FIRST MONDAY. FIRST MONDAY OF THE MONTH. FIRST MONDAY OF THE MONTH. FEBRUARY 2ND. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . FEBRUARY 2ND. RIGHT. SO, SO AMBER, YOU SAYING WHAT'S ON, DO IT. AND THEN WE WILL GO FROM THERE AND SEE WE WERE TARGETING AROUND 11:00 AM 11. SO THAT WOULD ALLOW US TIME TO TALK ON THE PHONE. OKAY. AND THEN A SMALL BREAK BEFORE FREE TO GET STARTED. WE CAN RETIRE. I CAN GO, LIKE I SAID BEFORE. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING, SO IF WE WANNA GET TO A POINT WHERE WE WANNA ROTATE OR, OR AS LYNN SAID, MAYBE HAVE SOMEBODY GO TO SEVERAL MEETINGS IN A ROW AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA MIX IT UP, BUT THEY'RE COVERING. YEAH. WE'LL JUST, I DON'T HAVE TOO MANY MEETINGS. NEXT, NEXT YEAR WE'LL START. I WAS GONNA SAY WE'LL START FEBRUARY AT LEAST WE'LL GO WITH THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. MOVING ON TO FIVE C REPAYMENT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACCESS GRANT. AND THAT IS JOE. SO I THINK IT'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY, BUT WE'VE ALREADY PAID A MAJORITY OF IT. UM, WE, I THINK THE NOTICE IS IN THERE. WE OWE THE REMAINING, UM, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR IT NOW SINCE 106,558 26 CENTS. AND THIS IS BECAUSE IT FEDERAL NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH, UH, DEVELOPMENT [01:40:01] AND CAPITAL AND JOBS AND WE OWE BEAT OUT THE MONEY BACK. I SURE DO HOPE THAT THE SUMMARY THAT IS IN TONIGHT'S AGENDA PACKET IS, HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE IT. THAT'S ALL. BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE FIRST, SECOND, THIRD, FOURTH PARAGRAPH DOWN ABOUT THE FACT THAT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CONSENT OF THE TOWN, THEY SIGNED A FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE DEED OF TRUST. AND THAT CHANGE IS WHAT TOOK US OUT OF THE GRANT. LIKE WE HAD THE GRANT. AND WHEN THE TARGET WAS FROM 5 MILLION TO 2 MILLION, THAT MEANT THAT WE DIDN'T MEET THE I'M JUST SAYING, I, I JUST THINK THAT I JUST, THERE'VE BEEN SO MANY THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THE RESULT OF THE EDA SCANDAL OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WORD IS ANYMORE. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DON'T, THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER PIECE THAT IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS PART OF THE LAWSUIT. IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS PART OF THE THING. BUT IN THE END, YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A GRANT $650,000 TO GO TOWARDS THAT WEST MAINE CONNECTOR. AND BECAUSE FALSE INFORMATION WAS GIVEN AND PEOPLE WERE GI GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, IT FEDERAL WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO. THAT'S HOW THE GRANT LEFT US. BUT I WILL SAY ONE THING, AT LEAST THEY CUT US AN $85,000 BREAK ON IT. RIGHT. I MEAN IT'S, I THINK WE PAID FOR THAT SOMEWHERE, DIDN'T WE? OH, WHAT THROUGH THOSE LIKE YEARLY FEES? WHAT'S THAT? I GOT 117,000 IF I DID IT RIGHT. IT'S IN THE, IT'S, WELL I'M LOOKING SIX 50 ORIGINALLY. RIGHT? WELL THAT, THAT DIFFERENT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BILL AT THE END. OH, OKAY. YEAH. IT WASN'T THE FULL SIX 50. YEAH. WE DIDN'T PAY THE FULL SIX 50. I UNDERSTAND. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO MONEY THAT WE HAD SPENT ELSEWHERE THAT THEY CREDITED US FOR. YEAH. BUT I'M SAYING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND PAY THE, THE WHOLE SIX 50, BUT WE WERE HOPING WE COULD GET SOME OTHER MONEY OFF OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE OTHER THING. BUT IT JUST DIDN'T BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON WITH THE IT FEDERAL. WE COULDN'T GET THE, I I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD, COULD BE EASILY DONE UNDER CONSENT, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND WE DO IT OTHERWISE AND TRY TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, THE PEOPLE WHO EITHER COME OR WATCH. YEAH. BECAUSE IT, IT'S SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND IT'S NOT THE RESULT OF ANYTHING WE DID OR DIDN'T DO. IT'S PART OF THE LARGER MESS. ARE YOU SAYING WE HAVE TO DO IT NEXT WEEK OR RECOMMEND THAT THIS BE AN ACTION ITEM FOR NEXT WEEK TO GET IT? UH, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T BECAUSE THEY, THEY ASKED FOR IT TO REDO WITH. I'LL NOT DO THAT NEXT WEEK, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY VOTE . OKAY. YEAH. AND SOMETIMES COUNCIL MEMBERS SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT WE HAD A COUNCILWOMAN IN 2016 WHO ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS RAISED RED FLAG. SO SHOUT OUT TO COUNCILWOMAN BEVIN EDGAR FOR HER BEGAR COMMITMENT TO THIS COUNCIL. AND WE WILL NEXT WEEK IF WE TAKE ACTION ON IT, WE'LL BRING IT UP AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH I BROUGHT IT UP TONIGHT. BUT I'LL, I WILL, I'LL BRING IT UP AGAIN AND JUST TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT. SO YEAH. NOT TO MENTION THE PUBLIC LOST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOCAL CONNECTOR ROAD. RIGHT. THAT WOULD GET, UH, WITH OUR POLICE STATION, UH, LOCATED IN THAT, IN THE, UH, ROYAL VILLAGE AREA, UM, TO GET ACROSS, UH, FASTER IF THEY NEED TO GET OVER TO THE, UH, THE, UH, TOWARD THE, THE PARK. SO YES, A SHAME. IT'S NOT JUST MONEY, IT'S OPPORTUNITY'S. IT IS A REAL SHAME. THE WHOLE THING IS FRUSTRATING TO ME. BUT, ALL RIGHT, MR. PATTY, YOU ARE THE REQUEST TO VAC A PORTION OF THE UNIMPROVED ALLEY BETWEEN WEST 13TH AND 14TH STREET. AND I, I WILL SAY I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT THE, THERE'S PICTURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE I GOT NOW I GOT SOME QUESTIONS, MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. YEAH. SO, UM, THEY ARE SEEKING TO VACATE JUST A PORTION OF THE ALLEY, UM, UP TO THE KIND OF OTHER ALLEY THAT RUNS BEHIND WHAT WAS SEVEN 11 AND MELTING POT. UM, SO IT'D BE BETWEEN THAT AND 13TH STREET. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE IMAGES, YOU KNOW, THIS SECTION OF THE ALLEY HAS BEEN UTILIZED AT EARLIEST FROM GOOGLE MAPS 2002. UM, IT'S, IT HAS BEEN PAVED. UM, AND THEY'RE JUST SEEKING TO VACATE THAT PORTION. WE'VE HAD STAFF GO OUT, TAKE A LOOK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WE ARE GONNA REFRAIN FROM GIVING A FULL REPORT. UM, WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND THAT THIS BE ADVERTISED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN GIVE THAT THEN, WHICH WOULD GIVE THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO [01:45:01] SPEAK 'CAUSE THEY DON'T GET THAT CHANCE HERE. AND WE'LL PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT TO BE IN THE PACKET. SO THEY WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO ALSO REVIEW OUR COMMENTS PRIOR TO. UM, BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME THOUGHTS ON, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN THIS AREA, WHETHER IT'S THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION GOING ON THERE AT THE CORNER OF SHENANDOAH AND THAT AND 14TH BECAUSE THEY ARE REDOING THE BUILDING ITSELF AND WHAT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN'S GONNA BE. IT USED TO BE A BANK WITH A DRIVE THROUGH. WELL NOW IS THAT JUST GONNA BE AN OPEN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THROUGH PARKING LOT. WE ALSO DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE VACANT AT SEVEN 11. AND OBVIOUSLY AS WE ALL KNOW, MELTING POT IS A VERY BUSY, UH, STAPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH ACCESSES THAT ALLEY. SO WE WANT TO BE VERY THOROUGH IN THIS REVIEW. BUT THEN ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT THE SAFETY CONCERNS MIGHT BE WITH ITS EXIT ONTO 14TH STREET AND HOW WE, UM, LOOK AT CHA TRAFFIC PATTERNS OF VEHICLES COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE, MAKING THINGS ONE WAY OR DO NOT ENTER OR NO LEFT TURNS. SO WE ARE REVIEWING THAT INTERNALLY AND WE PLAN TO PRESENT THAT IF THIS MOVES FORWARD TO A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH AGAIN ALLOWS THAT THE PUBLIC INPUT. SO THE, THE FIRST PICTURE THAT'S ON PAGE 68, I'M NOT GONNA ASK THIS OF YOU BY MYSELF, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, SO ON PAGE 68 OF THE AGENDA, RIGHT? A MASK. YEAH. YEAH. SO THE BLUE, THE BLUE BIG LONG RECTANGLE YEP. IS THE ALLEY THAT WANTS TO BE VACANT. CORRECT. WHO OWNS 1 41 THAT IS OWNED BY THE APPLICANT? WHICH IS OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING BECAUSE THEY WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO OWN IT IN ORDER TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE THE UM, YEAH, ONE OF THE THINGS THOUGH, I THINK IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS ROBBIE'S COMMENTS, UM, UM, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT, SO ROBBIE ON THIS SAID DESCRIPTION AND THEN ROBBIE SAID PUBLIC WORKS HAS NO EXISTING UTILITIES IN THE PORTION OF THE ALLEYWAY. THERE'S OVERHEAD ELECTRIC LINES THAT RUN THROUGH THE ALLEYWAY. IT LOOKS LIKE THE RESIDENT ALONG WEST 13TH STREET HAS BEEN USING PART OF THIS FOR A DRIVEWAY AND MELTING POT IS USING IT FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING ON THE BACKSIDE ALONG THE OTHER ALLEYWAY. SO THEY HAVE IT BLOCKED FROM BOTH SIDES. MM-HMM . SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IT CURRENTLY NOT BASICALLY SERVING AS AN ALLEYWAY? NO. IF IT'S BLOCKED ON BOTH SIDES, NO HILL IN THE MIDDLE. IT IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY HOW IT LOOKS IN THE BEST AERIAL VIEW IS, IS YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT HAS THE 2013 AND 2025, IT KIND OF COMES, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY. IF YOU'RE FACING THE HOUSE AT 1 41 TO THE LEFT IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS A DRIVEWAY THAT'S WITHIN THE ALLEY. MM-HMM . AND THEN AS IT GETS PROCEEDS JUST BEYOND THE HOUSE, IT MAKES A RIGHT TURN INTO THE BACKYARD OF 1 41 AND EXITS WHAT IS THE PLATTED ALLEY AND INTO THE BACKYARD. SO THEN THE ALLEY THEN BECOMES GRASS. AND I'M THINKING YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. IF YOU ALMOST LOOKS LIKE IT GOES LIKE DOWN, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 69 OF THE PACKET, UM, THE SURVEY, IT ILLUSTRATES WHERE THE PAVED DRIVE IS. YEAH. AND WHERE THE ALLEY IS. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ONCE IT GETS FURTHER UP INTO THE YARD, IT THEN MAKES THAT RIGHT TURN EAST INTO THE YARD. MM-HMM . AND THEN THAT'S GRASS. SO IT KIND OF GETS BLOCKED FROM BOTH SIDES. BUT AS A, I WANNA SAY AS A PUBLIC PASSERBY, YOU PROBABLY WOULD JUST VIEW THAT AS THEIR DRIVEWAY WHEN YOU GO BY IT. NOBODY WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT IS CURRENTLY AN ALLEY. SO ONE OF, ONE OF THE OTHER ALLEYWAY VACATION THINGS FROM SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UM, PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THEY COULD USE IT BECAUSE OF THE SHARED PROP. THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT BORDERED IT WAS BASICALLY JUST USING IT FOR THEIR OWN USE WHEN REALLY IT WAS A PUBLIC ALLEYWAY. I'M JUST SAYING IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S KIND ALMOST HAPPENING HERE. IT KIND IS PROBABLY VIEWED LIKE THAT AND OBVIOUSLY ANYBODY'S BEEN UP THERE. I MEAN THEY'VE INCREASED KIND OF THAT PARKING ALONG THAT BACK ALLEYWAY. SO THERE IS A LOT OF VEHICLE TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THEY'VE BENEFITED FROM THE OLD BANK BEING VACANT FOR SOME TIME FOR OVERFLOW. NOW THE SEVEN ELEVENS VACANT, YOU KNOW, BUT EVENTUALLY, HOPEFULLY THOSE COMMERCIAL SPACES ARE BACK INTO USABLE RETAIL. UM, AND THAT BACK ALLEY MAY BECOME MORE BUSY. SO WE DEFINITELY ARE LOOKING, WE'RE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN WHAT HAPPENS WITH THOSE TWO COMMERCIAL SITES THAT ARE IN FLUX RIGHT NOW. WELL, I'M ORDERING IT AND UM, SO IF WE WERE TO VACATE THOSE ALLEY, IF WE WERE, IF THIS COUNCIL DECIDED TO VACATE THAT ALLEY [01:50:02] AND THEN SOMEBODY WERE TO PURCHASE IT, THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE AN ACCESS FOR WHAT WOULD MIGHT COME TO THE SEVEN 11 OR WHAT MIGHT COME TO THE OLD BANK. AND THEY HAVE DIRECT, LIKE NOBODY BE ABLE TO USE THAT. THEY HAVE DIRECT ACCESS. THIS DOESN'T, UH, YEAH, THEY CAN GET THERE OFF THE STREET, GO IN THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, FOR TRAFFIC FLOW, PEOPLE CUT THROUGH. I THINK THE BIG THING IS THE ALLEY BEHIND SEVEN 11 MELTING POT AND EXTENSION TO G AND M IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST USER OF THIS. OR IS IT POTENTIAL IF IT COULD BE A CUT THROUGH BETWEEN 14TH AND 13TH. HOWEVER, AGAIN, WE DEFINITELY WANNA LOOK AT EVEN TODAY WHAT THAT, UH, ENTRANCE EXIT ONTO 14TH STREET LOOKS LIKE. AND WHAT, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERN, YOU MEAN 13TH STREET? 14TH, UH, FOUR. SO RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T, 14TH STREET'S ON THE NORTH END OF IT. THAT ROAD NEXT TO SEVEN 11 CUTS OUT. YEAH. AND SO WE, WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THAT AS TO WHAT THAT, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SIGNAGE OF ONE WAY. SO CARS CAN BE COMING OUT, GOING IN AND IT'S AN ALLEY. SO BECAUSE IT SAYS IT CREATES DANGEROUS SCENARIOS FOR THE RESIDENTS AT 1 41 WITH CHILDREN AND PETS PLAYING IN THE BACKYARD. SO BEHIND THE BACKYARD IS ALSO A PARKING LOT NOW, RIGHT. BASICALLY FOR THE EMPLOYEES. OKAY. YEAH. SO IF THEY, WELL NO, IT SET IT IN ONE OF OUR NOTES. SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY PUT THAT IN THERE. I THINK IT WAS ROBBIE, BUT SOMEBODY PUT IN THERE THAT, THAT CURRENTLY WAS BEING USED. IT IS A PART, IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT. SO IF THEY CLOSED DOWN THAT ALLEY YEAH. THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE, NOBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT IF THEY, IF WE VACATED IT AND THEY, 'CAUSE IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THEY WANT TO BASICALLY MAKE THAT ALLEY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE TRAVELED THROUGH. RIGHT. 'CAUSE IT SAYS IT DEAD ENDS RIGHT. TO A GRASSY HILL CAUSING VEHICLES TO CROSS OVER. ANYWAY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. I'M I'M JUST, I WAS TRYING TO, I'M GONNA DRIVE OUT THERE BECAUSE IT ALLEY PROVIDE LEGAL MORE OF A REPORT, A FORMAL REPORT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE GO. AND I THINK SO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. ARE WE ALLOWED TO DRIVE THROUGH? I JUST SAID, I THINK I'LL DRIVE OUT THERE BECAUSE I, SHE SAID ARE WE EVEN ALLOWED, SHE SAID SHE WAS GONNA DRIVE THROUGH IT AND I WAS LIKE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE THROUGH IT 'CAUSE IT WAS A HILL. YEAH. YOU'LL EVENTUALLY DRIVE ONTO THEIR PROPERTY BEHIND GO AROUND IT. OKAY. IF YOU PULL UP BEHIND THE OUP POP WHERE MAKES SOME MONEY TO GO OUT TO 14TH STREET AND YOU SIT THERE AND GET A CLEAR VIEW OF IT. RIGHT. OR PULL UP 13TH STREET AND A LITTLE BIT DRIVEWAY, A BERM IN THE BACK. HUH? YEAH. DID THE GUY HAVE A BERM BUILT UP BACK THERE? NO, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A GRASSY. SO THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THAT, UH, BUT IS IT LEGAL SINCE IT'S A PUBLIC ALLEY TO DRIVE ONE? YES. I HAVE ALL WHEEL DRIVE. AM I ALLOWED MAKE LEGALLY THEY'LL MAKE THE RIGHT ONE. THE OTHER END, YOU MEAN? BUT I'M SAYING THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THAT BE A PASSABLE ALLEY, LIKE OTHER ALLEYS IN ROCK OIL THAT ARE ALLEYS, THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT WOULD BE TO GET RID OF THAT BIG GRASSY HILL. RIGHT. WE WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH AND MAKE SURE OUR CREW IS MORE THAN CAPABLE OF KNOCKING THAT GRASSY HILL OUT. YEAH. AND THAT'S, I'M SAYING WE NEED TO WANT TO, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT, BUT TO YOUR POINT, WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, JOE, JOE, ABOUT LOOKING AT TODAY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH, I MEAN, THROUGH BACKYARD, BUT EVEN THOUGH PART OF IT IS YOU BEING USED AS PAVED OR IN A DRIVEWAY OR WHATEVER REASON. BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW. I WENT BY THERE, I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY PARKED THERE IN THAT MM-HMM . FOOT DRIVEWAY IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SO I I I DIDN'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF HIM BLOCKING. BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS JUST THE ONE KIND TOOK A LOOK AT IT PASSED, THIS IS BEEN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I I I IT'S EQUAL FRUSTRATION. I MEAN IT'S, YEAH. THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S SOMEBODY PAGED PART OF THE, OUR ALLEYWAY ON THEIR OWN DOWN OBVIOUSLY. BUT YET PEOPLE ARE CUTTING THROUGH HIS YARD RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY CUT THROUGH THE YARD. YEAH. SO I GET, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OR I MEAN, ACTUALLY I HAVEN'T PUT EYES ON IT. I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. SO THAT, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY NOT A VACATION UNIT. THAT'S AN ISSUE. THAT'S A DAY ISSUE. THAT'S AN ISSUE NOW OBVIOUSLY. YEAH. SO IT'S THIS SIDE IN, LIKE I SAID, THAT ALSO THE PART THAT'S NOT BEING VACATED, THE PART THAT JANE SENT TO 14TH STREET IS ALSO A CONCERN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. CORRECT? YEAH. YEAH. SAME. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. SAME ISSUE. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S A SAFE SAFE BECAUSE IT'S BUSY. IT'S BUSY. IS IT, IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THE, THE, THE APP, I GUESS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY LINE RAN STRAIGHT BACK, UH, ADJACENT PARALLEL TO THE ALLEY AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN A GRASSY AREA AT ONE POINT IT WAS A YARD. I MEAN, DID THEY I MEAN IT LOOKED, IT IT'S A PARKING [01:55:01] LOT IN THE BACK, IN THE BACK. SO THAT THAT'S IT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL PICTURE IF YOU GO BACK. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK IF YOU LOOK BACK TO 2002 YEAH. IF YOU GO TO THE 2002 ONE AS BUSINESSES IMPROVED, THEY BOUGHT SURROUNDING EVEN IN 2007 PARKING OFF THE ALLEY FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THE CUSTOMS. YOU GO BY THERE ANY NIGHT NOW AND THE FRONT OF SEVEN 11. WELL THAT'S ONLY GONNA WORK SO LONG. BUT THEY GOT, THEY, BUT I WILL SAY, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE I WORK AS A YOUNG GIRL, BUT THEY, WHERE THE POSTAL BUSINESS OFFICE IS, THAT USED TO BE A HOUSE AND FOREVER, THEY WANTED TO GET THAT PROPERTY TO EXPAND THEIR PARKING LOT. AND THEY, AND THEY WERE FINALLY DID IT. THEY RAISED THE BUILDING UP. IT WAS ONLY ONE STORY. SO, THANK GOODNESS. QUESTION FOR YOU, DOES THE APPLICANT UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE GOING TO PRICE IT? DID THEY UNDERSTAND NOW THAT WE'VE COME TO, UM, AGREEMENT ABOUT TAKING, UM, LAB VALUE? I THINK IT IN MY ORIGINAL EMAIL I SHARED THAT WITH THEM. I KNOW I'VE, WE HAVE SO MANY RIGHT NOW. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH EACH ONE. WELL, I JUST THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YEAH, PEOPLE OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND. IT'S NOT, IT, IT IS GONNA BE WHATEVER. YOU GOT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL. SO I DON'T KNOW. AND ALL THE ONES OUTSIDE OF THE ONE OFF OF LIKE WASHINGTON ARE ALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. IT IS COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL YES. ON THAT HOUSE. SO IT IS A WHOLE DONE AVERAGE. YEP. SO I'VE ALREADY BUILT ALL THE SPREADSHEETS OUT. I KNEW YOU HAD, BUT AGAIN, YOU DON'T WANNA GO DOWN THIS ROAD VERY FAR. AND THEN YOU SAY, WELL THE PRICE IS GONNA BE 10. OH NO, I, I'LL GIVE YOU A FIVE FOR IT. HERE WE GO AGAIN. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT IS WELL HEARING IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, WHICH FEBRUARY 30 DAYS. YEP, YEP. YEP. SO PUBLIC HEARING IN FEBRUARY. SHE HAS SINGLE LETTERS OUT DURING DAYS. THAT WAS, UH, PUBLICATIONS ARE DIFFERENT. YEAH, IT WAS, YEP. YEP. VALERIE MIRANDA. OKAY. SO, SO WE'LL HAVE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IN FEBRUARY AND AT THAT TIME COUNSEL HAS ALL THE DIFFERENT CHOICES THEY CAN OH, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR JANUARY. MM-HMM. SAID IT NEEDED 30 DAYS VACATIONS NEED 30 DAYS. OH, OH, DO THEY? YEAH. WELL NOW WE'VE JUST TOLD EVERYBODY THEY CAN DROP TECHNICALLY THEY, I GUESS, RIGHT. UM, OKAY, I'M GONNA DO IT IF IT'S NOT LONG ITEM SIX, I'M MOVING ON. RIGHT. ARE WE READY MR. PETTY, ARE YOU OKAY WITH ITEM SIX? I'M STILL LOOKING AT ITEM FIVE. I'M, I'M, I'LL WAIT. I DON'T SEE . YOU SEE WHAT? YEAH. ALL YOUR OTHER VACATIONS THAT YOU SENT LETTERS TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS REQUIRED 30 DAYS. THE AD ITSELF IS STILL THE TWO, THE THEY GET NOTICE 30 DAYS. OKAY. WE DIDN'T GET THE NOTICE WHEN WE FIRST DISCUSSED IT. NO, NOT UNTIL WE DECIDED TO MOVE. WAIT, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE DISCUSSED. NO, WE HAD IT ON OUR LAST MEETING. YEAH, WE DID. BUT IT WAS A QUICK YEAH. UM, WELL WE HAD DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANTED TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING. 'CAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS JUST SAY NO, NOT INTEREST, BUT, SO YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I THINK I'M SIX. I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS THEY HAD APPROACHED US ABOUT A MEETING WITH THE BATTLEFIELD MM-HMM . SO HAVE WE HEARD ANY MORE ABOUT THAT? MM-HMM. WAIT, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? SO WE'RE ON NINE SIX, WHICH IS THE LIAISON. THEY'RE STILL CONTEMPLATING. SO I'M NOT CRAZY. WE CAN DISCUSS OUR THING, COME BACK AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT. SO SOME OF THE, IT SAYS BELOW ARE SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WE COULD ASK AT THE LIAISON MEETING. BUT GLENN IS RIGHT, 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING THROUGH LIKE THE MINUTES OR THE LAST TIME AND UM, LAST TIME WE HAD, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS A JOINT TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE. AND THERE WASN'T ONE, OR THERE WAS VERY FEW LITTLE BIT, UM, TOURISM WAS ON THE LAST ONE. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REMEMBER AT THE LAST MEETING, THEY WANTED TO KNOW LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, DID WE WANNA HAVE A CONCERTED EFFORT? IF YOU READ THROUGH THE MINUTES, IT EVEN SAYS THAT THAT MARICO WILL THEN DISCUSS THE NEXT POTENTIAL STEP SUCH AS STAFF FROM THE TOWN COUNTY GETTING TOGETHER OR HAVING, UH, MS. LEWIS MEET WITH THE TOURISM COMMITTEE. AND MR. PETTY STATED THAT STAFF COULD PUT FORTH A DRAFT BASED [02:00:01] ON THIS DISCUSSION. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REMEMBER OR NOT, BUT LIKE I WAS SAYING, LET'S GET OUR STAFF. BUT THEN, THEN THEY WERE SAYING, WELL THEY FELT LIKE IT NEEDED TO COME TO THE RESPECTIVE BOARDS FIRST AND FOR US TO GIVE THEM A DIRECTION AS TO WHAT TO DISCUSS. AND I SAID, NO, I'M AHEAD. AS I WAS ATTENDING , SHE WAS IN THE BACK BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE OUR STAFF IS QUITE CAPABLE OF COMING UP AND WE, AND THEY WAIT ON US TO GET WITH THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE THE DIRECTION. THEY'LL NEVER GET IT. THEY'LL BE READY TO RETIRE. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO, SO STILL HAVE TO DO IT. SO IF EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH THAT, THAT THAT MINDSET, WE COULD GO BACK AND SAY TOWN COUNCIL IS WILLING TO ENTERTAIN A CONCERTED EFFORT AND YOU KNOW, COULD WE GET OUR STAFF WITH YOUR STAFF? I MEAN, OR WHAT, WHAT AND WHAT IS THAT CONCERTED EFFORT GONNA LOOK LIKE? IT'S PROBABLY, AND WE'RE ALREADY HAVING INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS OF THE COUNTY OKAY. FOR THEM. SO THAT'S FINE. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. SO DO WE PUT THAT ON THIS LIAISON MEETING? I THINK WE DO TO HAVE IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS ON THE LAST LIAISON MEETING, 'CAUSE THERE WERE THINGS THAT THEY WANTED US TO COME BACK AND ASK ABOUT THE TAXES THING TO BE DETERMINED IF THAT MADE AN IMPACT OR NOT. 'CAUSE REMEMBER WE WANTED THEM TO GET US THE INFORMATION SOONER. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OR DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT, BUT WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE. UM, WE ALREADY SOLVED THE TOWN FRONT ROYAL FARMS PROPERTY OR SOLVED IT FROM OUR, HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE THAT ON THE LIAISON MEETING THIS PART, THIS IS WHAT I WANT IT TO BE. I WANNA KNOW IF THEY PLAN ON CHARGING US MORE FOR TIPPING FEES. I DON'T WANNA FIND THIS OUT IN JUNE. WE NEED TO KNOW RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. NOT RIGHT NOW. BUT AT LEAST ARE THEY ENTERTAINED? 'CAUSE WE KEEP HEARING WE, THEY WOULDN'T SAY WHEN I YEAH, YEAH. WE KEEP HEARING THESE TALKS ABOUT THAT THEY THINK THEY'RE GONNA UP THAT AMOUNT. WE'RE ALREADY PAYING 'EM 250,000 AND THAT THEY'RE GONNA UP THAT AMOUNT. I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST THROW IT OUT THERE. I MEAN WE JUST TO SAY IS THAT, ARE YOU ALL STILL PLANNING ON THINKING ABOUT DOING THAT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE. YEAH, IT WAS LIKE I TOLD SOMEBODY, IF WE GAVE UP TRASH SERVICE IN IT DOWN FRONT OIL AND THEY HAD TO PUT UP CONVENIENCE SITES AND STAFF, IT'S GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN WHAT, PLUS OUR PEOPLE ARE ALREADY PAYING. WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR HIS COUNTY. WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR HIS COUNTY RESIDENTS. BUT I DIGRESS. I, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T PUT THAT IN THE MINUTES. I WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW, BUT REMEMBER HOW AT THE VERY END I SAID SOMETHING. YEAH. IT THAT, THAT HELPED. UM, SO I DO WANNA ASK ABOUT THAT. AND THEN THE UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS ON THERE IS THE FISCAL LAST TIME WE ASKED ABOUT FISCAL IMPACT MODEL UPDATE THAT'S ON THEM AT THIS POINT. THEY'RE LOOKING IT UP. WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T ENFORCE THAT ANYMORE. WELL YOU CAN ASK THEM FOR AN UPDATE. I MEAN YEAH, THEY HAD THE, THE, THAT WAS THE THING WHERE THEY HAD IT ON A COMPUTER THAT THEY COULDN'T A COMPUTER AND THEY CAN'T ACCESS IT AND IT'S JUST A DISASTER. UM, AND IT'S OUTDATED. MUST BE GETTING TIRED. I'M GETTING VERY NO, IT'S OUTDATED. IT'S OUTDATED. IT'S EXTREMELY OUTDATED. NO, IT'S EXTREMELY OUTDATED. AND THEY RECOGNIZE THAT. BUT I THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW. THEY DON'T AND THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. THEY CAN'T FIND THE OLD PROGRAM. IT WAS OUTDATED. EVEN IF THEY FOUND IT. IT'S JUST NOT THERE. WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS. I DON'T MIND AT LEAST HAVING IT ON A QUESTION. LIKE WHAT'S, DO YOU GUYS HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE FISCAL MODEL UPDATE? WE COULD ASK THAT. AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS IF YOU KEEP, IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE FOR US TOO. IF WE KEEP ADDING IT TO SOMETHING, IT MAKES SOMEBODY AT LEAST STOP AND THINK, OKAY, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO FOR THAT? YEAH. BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA, I KEEP IT ON THERE UNTIL IT GETS RESOLVED. OR YOU AGREE TO DROP IT. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN THE WATER CONSERVATION ENFORCEMENT DURING DROUGHT CONDITIONS WILL GO IN THERE. WE GOT NOWHERE WITH THAT. AND NOT THAT IT WAS THEIR FAULT, THEY AGREED THAT, THAT, THAT IT IS AN ISSUE. BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS FIGURED OUT IF WE CAN ENFORCE IT IN THE COUNTY. RIGHT. WE ACTUALLY JUST BROUGHT THAT UP RECENTLY TOO. I'M TRYING TO THINK. WE JUST BROUGHT IT UP. YEAH. JUST THE LAST REGULAR. YEAH. THE QUESTION AT THE LAST REGULAR MEETING, CONTRACT AGREEMENTS. CERTAINLY BY CONTRACT, BUT THAT'S NOT VERY EFFECTIVE. YEAH. BREACH OF CONTRACT. YEAH. BECAUSE LIKE THE RESIDENTS IN BLUERIDGE SHADOWS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WELL AND THOSE I DON'T HAVE RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY. THERE AREN'T ANY YEAH. CONTRACTS. WELL, LIKE LOGISTICALLY TOO, THEY'RE SO, LIKE WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF MONITORING WATER USAGE, BUT THEY REALLY DON'T. 'CAUSE THAT'S, THE COUNTY DOESN'T, BECAUSE IT'S THROUGH A PRIVATE, IT'S NOT THROUGH COUNTY. THROUGH WE, WE CAN MONITOR THEIR USAGE. IT'S THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM. 'CAUSE HERE WE EITHER [02:05:01] DO IT WITH STAFF OR PD, THEY'RE OUTSIDE. WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OUTSIDE OF. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE, AND NOBODY VOLUNTEERED THAT NIGHT TO SAY, WELL WE'LL USE OUR DEPARTMENT TO HELP YOU ENFORCE IT. SO, AND YOU DON'T THINK UNDER CONTRACT LAW THAT WE CAN BIND THEM IF WE DRIVE BY, THEY'RE USING SPRINKLERS. WE'RE A DROUGHT EMERGENCY. IF WE CAN'T, IF WE DON'T A CONTRACT WITH THEM, IF CONTRACT SAID THAT, YEAH. BUT WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ALL THE RESIDENTS. CORRECT. BUT THEY'RE A NEVER SEEN ANYTHING. YEAH. AND THEN SO YOU SIGNED NOTHING WHEN THEY GET WATER. I MEAN, DOESN'T COME. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT. IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING ON OUR SIDE. WE GOTTA FIX PILOT. OF COURSE. WELL, I WONDER IF WE COULD JUST SEND A LETTER TO EACH OF THOSE ADDRESSES STATING THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL IS CURRENTLY UNDER WATER CONSERVATION. NOT WHEN IT'S VOLUNTARY. WHEN IT'S MANDATORY. YEAH. JUST LIKE A REMINDER, NOT A THREAT OR AN ENFORCEMENT. JUST LIKE SEND EACH OF THOSE THINGS. DOES THE COUNTY HAVE THE ABILITY, THE SAME THING THAT WE DO, YOU KNOW HOW WE CAN LIKE, LIKE THE AGENDA OR WHATEVER. LIKE I GET A TEXT ON MY PHONE THAT, THAT YOU CLICK ON. YES. DOES IT I CALL 'EM FIRST BECAUSE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS 'EM TOO. BUT DOES THE COUNTY HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT COULD, I THINK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN ALERT. I JUST WONDER IF THEY ALERT TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. BUT THE ALERT I GET FOR THEIR MEETINGS ARE USUALLY FIVE MINUTES AFTER THE MEETING STARTS . OH. I THINK ANOTHER THING IS ALSO EVEN JUST THE SIMPLE ACT OF THE SIGN. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO WATER CONSERVATION, WE PUT THE SIGNS UP IN TOWN. IF WE HAD THE ABILITY EVEN JUST TO PUT A SIGN UP OUT THERE, I MEAN IT WOULD BE, THAT MIGHT BE VDOT, BUT AS WATER, AT LEAST THAT'S ANOTHER VISUAL REMINDER THAT WHERE WE ARE IN CONSERVATION EFFORTS. SO WHO WOULD WE NEED TO ASK FOR PERMISSION FOR THAT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH WITH VDOT FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY STUFF. BECAUSE MAYBE THAT IS, AND THEN THE ONLY PROBLEM IS SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WON'T, THEY WON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE A TOWN WATER. I'M JUST BEING HONEST. LIKE THEY GET A BILL EVERY MONTH. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. IT IS AN ATTEMPT. IT'S AN ATTEMPT. OKAY. WELL, AND TOO, MAYBE WHEN WE SEND THE BILL OUT, LIKE IN THE SPRING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WE SEND THE NEWSLETTER OUT. LIKE IT'S A TOWN. MAYBE FOR JUST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE TOWN, THEY GET A DIFFERENCE. I'M, I'M, I'M MAKING THIS WAY TOO COMPLICATED. THAT WOULD BE, WE COULD TALK TO DJ, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH, LIKE, THEY DON'T NEED TO GET THE TOWN NEWSLETTER IF THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE TOWN. I THINK IT'S MORE AUTOMATIC AND THEY GO WITH ALL THE BILLS. YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU COULDN'T PUT A MESSAGE ON EVERYONE'S BILL THAT SAID WE'RE WHEN IF WE CALL MAN, IF YOU GET TOWN WATER AND YOU'RE GETTING THIS BILL, UM, IT IS OUR EXPECTATION THAT YOU FOLLOW THE MANDATORY, THE REQUEST FOR MANDATORY WATER CON CONSERVATION. AND I DON'T, I YOU A QUESTION ABOUT HOW OUR CURRENT BILLING WORKS AND LIKE HOW YOU DECIPHER WHICH ONES ARE WHERE AND MIGHT BE COUNT. BUT OUR NEW SYSTEM, WE PROBABLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO FLAG THOSE. I MEAN IT SHOULDN'T JUST EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY THAT'S OH, WELL YEAH, EVERYBODY AND IT'S IN THE NEWSLETTER THAT EVERYBODY STUFF, BUT WE DON'T DO THE NEWSLETTER EVERY MONTH. MM-HMM. NO, BUT YOU PUT IT ON THE, THE BILL SET UP THE FORMAT OF THE BILL. THE PROBLEM I SEE WITH THAT IS THAT WE CAN GO IN AND OUT OF A WATER CONSERVATION SO QUICKLY. WE CAN BE IN A MANDATORY WATER CONSERVATION FOR ONE DAY AND THEN GET A RAIN AND WE'RE BACK TO VOLUNTARY. CORRECT. SO IF WE MAIL IT OUT IN OUR BILL, THE CONSERVATION COULD BE OVER BY 90. GET NO, YOU'RE YOU'RE JUST SAYING IF THIS HAPPENS, IF, IF THE WA IF UH, THE COUNTY FRONT OIL DECLARES A WATER EMERGENCY, HERE'S WHAT YOU ARE EXPECTED TO DO AS SOMEONE WHO RECEIVES TOWN WATER. YEAH. YEAH. AND THAT IS, AND THAT WAY EVERYBODY KNOWS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GET CONFUSED. DO I, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE DO MISS VALLEYS OUT THERE THAT HAVE THE SAME ISSUES WE HAVE. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE WE'RE NOT THE ONLY COUNTY VIRGINIAS SUPPLYING WATER OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE NOT THE ONLY TOWN IN VIRGINIA THAT'S BEEN THROUGH WATER RESTRICTIONS, BUT OH NO, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S PARTICULARLY HERE IN THE VALLEY. I DON'T KNOW EVERYBODY UP. THE VALLEY'S BEEN UNDER THERE BEFORE. CORRECT. SO I DON'T W HOW DO THEY, HOW DOES HARRISONBURG DEAL WITH THEIR OUT OF TOWN WATER CUSTOMERS OR SO THERE WOODSTOCK? I, I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, MAY, MAY, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. AGAIN, I'M JUST THROWING TO THROWING IT OUT THERE. I THINK YOU'RE ONE OF THE FEW LOCALITIES THAT SHARE WATER TO, UM, SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION WITHOUT A REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY. I THINK THE, I THINK STRS TAKES CARE OF THE, THOSE PLACES OUT ON HUBS HILL GOING OUT BY FOOD LINE. I THINK STOCK RUNS WATER ACROSS 42, WHICH IS NOT THEIR JURISDICTION. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. SO ANYWAY, I THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION IS IF WE COULD JUST PUT A BLANKET NOTICE TO EVERYONE WHO GETS TOWN WATER THAT THESE ARE THE EXPECTATIONS AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON THE ALERT SYSTEM AND, AND THIS IS HOW YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR IT. WELL YOU ONLY HAVE TWO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. YOU HAVE HENSEL STONE AND YOU HAVE SHADOWS. SO IF WE COULD AT LEAST PUT SIGNAGE YOU, HEY, WE'RE UNDER MANDATORY OR YEAH. HOW TO DO THAT. I SAY WE'D HAVE TALK THOSE OUT ROADS. [02:10:01] THINK HENSEL STONE. YOU COULD PROBABLY DO IT ON THE TOWN SIDE AS YOU'RE GOING IN THERE. STONE THERE. YEAH, BECAUSE THEY JUST ASK TO GET THERE. WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME RIGHT OF WAY, BUT, WE'LL, WELL, YEAH, THAT'S THE THING WE'LL HELP. AND I HOPE THEY WOULD DRIVE ACROSS THE BRIDGE TO SEE THE SIGN WE ALL SEE, BUT, WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW. I WILL GO OUT THAT ONE. SO, SO THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON, LIKE THE LIST THAT, THAT WAS PART OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA TO, TO, TO DO WE WANNA ADD IS HINDO BATTLEFIELD FOUNDATION UPDATE, WHICH REALLY WAS THE MCKAY SPRINGS TOPIC. AND LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THAT THE IDEA WAS AS JOSH REMIND ME, RIGHT? WE SAID WE'LL GO BACK AND SEE THIS IS COUNCIL WILLING TO MEET WITH BATTLEFIELD, WITH THE BATTLEFIELD FOUNDATION. AND THIS COUNCIL SAID WE'D BE WILLING TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY. SO WE'LL REPORT THAT. WE'RE WILLING TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. 'CAUSE IT CAME FROM THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO, UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, WE'RE BASICALLY JUST SAYING WE'RE WILLING TO MEET WITH THEM IF YOU ALL WANNA, YOU KNOW, SCHEDULE THAT. BECAUSE, AND THEN THE OTHER TWO THINGS WERE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND I WILL SAY THAT AT THE TIME, THAT AT THE TIME THAT, THAT THEY WERE ALL TALKING ABOUT THAT AT THAT TIME ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TALKED ABOUT LIKE WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO IN TERMS OF ARE THEY GONNA HIRE A DIRECTOR? ARE THEY GONNA DO THIS? THEY GONNA DO THAT. AND THEN I THINK THAT STALL THAT JUST PAUSED FOR A LITTLE BIT. SO, I MEAN WE COULD BRING IT UP, BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU, THEY'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE HAD WHAT, ONE MEETING. THEY'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT. THURSDAY NIGHT. THURSDAY. ARE THEY ALWAYS GONNA BE ON THURSDAY NOW? NO. OKAY. THEY'RE HAVING A THURSDAY NIGHT. YEP. AND YOU DO REALIZE THAT WE'RE LITERALLY THE NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT. WE'RE NEXT THURSDAY FOR THE LIAISON MEETING. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE ODDS OF THEM BEING ABLE TO HAVE A PLAN FOR THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR THE WELL ORDINANCE, WHICH ARE THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WERE GONNA ASK FOR UPDATES ON. I BET THEY'RE NOT, THEY ARE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH TO DO THIS THURSDAY NIGHT. THAT I I THINK YOU KEEP IT ON THERE AS AN ONGOING DISCUSSION AS THE NEW MEMBERS GET SEATED AND THEY CAN START FIGURING OUT THEIR WAY, IT'S SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST BE OPEN TO DISCUSSING IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. I I'M LIKE YOU, I DON'T, I DON'T HOLD OUT MUCH HOPE AT THIS LIAISON. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MUCH TO OFFER AT THIS POINT. I WOULDN'T THINK, I THINK IT'S, YOU GOT TWO NEW PEOPLE GONNA BE LISTENING AND TRYING TO FIGURE THINGS OUT. BUT MAYBE BY APRIL, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SAY HOPEFULLY BY THE APRIL MEETING WE COULD GET YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO. BUT I THINK THE BATTLEFIELD'S ONE THING, 'CAUSE JAMESON'S STILL THERE, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYMORE. IT'S JUST BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT OF BEFORE THAT CAME INTO IT WAS US RESOLVING MCKAY BRAIN, DO YOU WANT TO BUY US? DO WE WANT TO BUY YOU? AND PUT THAT TO REST. YEAH. I MEAN, AND REMINDING THEM THAT YOU CAN'T JUST GO DO SOMETHING OUT THERE WITHOUT US. IT'S A, IT'S A PARTNERSHIP. RIGHT. SO EVERYTHING THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT THAT UPDATE ON WELL ORDINANCE DISCUSSION ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NO. BATTLEFIELD FOUNDATION UPDATE, JOINT TOURISM DISCUSSION, TOURISM. SO WE WILL LEAVE ALL OF THOSE ON THERE THAT BASICALLY WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR UPDATES ON ALL OF THOSE. OR WHERE ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? AND THE ONLY OTHER THING WE WERE GONNA ADD ON THERE IS ARE YOU GONNA RAISE OUR TIPPING FEES? WELL, YEAH. ARE THEY GONNA RAISE, RAISE OUR TIPPING FEES? THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER THING IS THAT I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO MAYBE BRING UP, UM, A SCHEDULE. 'CAUSE IF IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE MAYBE MAKING SOME CHANGES TO THEIR, TO THEIR SCHEDULES. JUST SEE, SO THIS THURSDAY MEETING IS, I THINK THERE WAS A SCHEDULING CONFLICT. OKAY. THEY'LL MEET ME. I JUST CHECK TOO. THEY'RE MEETING THURSDAY AND THEN THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY AT WORK SESSION. SO IT'S JUST A ONE OFF FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER. IT'S A SPECIAL MEETING THIS THURSDAY. SO THEY WILL HAVE TWO MEETINGS BEFORE WE HAVE A LIAISON MEETING. HOPEFULLY THEY REMEMBER THAT IT'S A FULL REGULAR MEETING. THEY'RE GOT A BUNCH ON, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THREE MEETINGS LIKE US. WELL, BUT DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS SCHEDULE? DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE SCHEDULE AT ALL? ARE YOU GOOD WITH IT OR I MEAN WITH THAT? WELL, WE HAVE TO. IT'S IN OUR, IT'S IN, IT'S IN OUR CODE THAT, THAT THE LIAISON MEETING THAT IT, THERE, IT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. IT'S T YOU WANNA PUT THAT ON THE LIAISON WITH THE POLICY? IF YOU WANT PUT THE POLICY ON THERE. I I JUST AS AN ITEM TO DISCUSS. I JUST ASSUME LEAVE IT. 'CAUSE IT, THE ONLY THING THAT ALWAYS IS THE DONE WORK IS THE JULY ONE. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE. BUT MAYBE WE'LL HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THERE NOW. REMEMBER LIKE THE LAST TWO YEARS THEY CANCELED THE JULY MEETING SO THEY CANCELED MORE THAN ONE THIS YEAR. CANCELED. THEY CANCELED MORE ONE THIS YEAR. YOU MEAN LAST YEAR? YEAH. CANCELED JANUARY AND JULY. WELL, THEY HAD A LOT GOING ON. YEAH. YES THEY DO. MAYBE THINGS WILL SETTLE DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND WE'LL ALL BE, BUT DON'T THROW OUT A WILD IDEA OF WHY WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. ARE Y'ALL GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN NOT? YEAH. YEAH. [02:15:01] YEAH. SO, RIGHT. SO NEXT IS, WHO WANTS TO JOIN ME NEXT? WHO WANTS TO HAVE THREE MEETINGS? NOT HERE IN A ROW. WHO WANTS TO GO TO THREE MEETINGS IN TWO WEEKS? LIKE ME? IT'S NOT THAT I DON WAS THE TIME BEFORE LAST. YEAH, I WAS LAST. I WAS IN LAST TIME I HAD, UM, COMMISSION SAME DAY AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'LL 15. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'LL GET DONE. BRUCE AND WAYNE LOOKING AT EACH OTHER. LIKE, BRUCE, WHO'S GONNA, SHOULD I GRAB OUT TWO STRAWS AND I'LL SHORTEN UP ONE AND YOU ALL PICK. DO YOU WANNA JOIN ME WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY AND FRIDAY? OH, YOU'RE GONE NEXT THURSDAY I THINK BY DEFAULT IT'S YOU. THURSDAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE MY PARTNER. THANK YOU. IS THAT, BUT LET ME JUST SAY, YEAH. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S SIX O'CLOCK. WHEN DOES THAT MESS YOU UP? BACK UP. HE HAS TO DRIVE THE SIX O'CLOCK MEETING. SAY DINNER. I HAVE THESE, I TOLD YOU I WOULD'VE PICKED YOU UP TONIGHT. I HAVEN'T NOT EATEN DINNER EITHER. I WAS GONNA SAY, I TOLD YOU I'D BRING YOU SOMETHING TONIGHT SO THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO STOP. SO, SO I HAVE NOT EATEN DINNER YET, SO I TO A JURY, SOMETHING INTERESTING THE TOURISM COMMITTEE DID IS, WAS IT LIZZIE, YOU STILL HERE LAST MONTH? WE MET UP AT FOUR H. WHY NOT? YES. OKAY. IT WAS NOVEMBER. NOVEMBER. SO WE CHOSE TO MEET UP THERE AGAIN TO FAMILIARIZE PEOPLE. WE KEEP HEARING THIS BUILD A CONFERENCE CENTER. WE HAVE A CONFERENCE CENTER AND I'M JUST SUGGESTING AT ONE TIME YOU INVITE ME TO HOLD THE MEETING UP THERE. OH. SO PEOPLE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. IT'D BE A CHANCE TO GET 'EM. YEAH. THE ONLY ISSUE WE'VE RAN INTO THAT IS WITH OUR PROCEDURES OR POLICY OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECORD AND, UM, OH, IT'S VIDEO. IT'S STREAMED, YOU KNOW, LIKE A REGULAR MEETING. YEAH. WE'RE NOT RECORD IT. SO. OKAY. WE ACTUALLY HAD OUR RETREAT UP THERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. YEAH. THE TOWN COUNCIL. AND WE HAD OUR CHRISTMAS PARTY UP THERE FOR THE TOWN EMPLOYEES MY FIRST YEAR. OKAY. SO I GUESS MORE WE CAN GET PEOPLE UP THERE AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE, BUT IT, IT NEEDS SOME LOVE TOO. I KNOW. MM-HMM . IT DID. IT DID. WHEN WE HAD OUR RETREAT. SUSAN, CAN WE JUST COVER CONCIERGE HERE REAL QUICK? SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT JOINT TOURISM, TIPPING FEES, BATTLEFIELD FOUNDATION UPDATE ON WELL ORDINANCE DISCUSSION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. NO. YEAH, THAT WAS IT. YEAH. AND THEN, AND THEN JUST TO BRING UP THE FISCAL IMPACT MODEL, WHICH IS IF THERE YEAH. I'M SORRY. YEAH. I FORGOT THAT WE CAN DO IS YEAH. AND I'LL SAY THAT PROBABLY THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE LITERALLY GONNA BE A TWO MINUTE THING. YEAH. BECAUSE IF THERE'S NO UPDATE ON IT, BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT MAYBE THEY'LL ADD SOMETHING THAT'S NOW THEY HAVEN'T ADDED ANYTHING FOREVER. YOU'RE GONNA ASK MORE. LIKE THEY MIGHT WANNA ADD SOMETHING TO THE AGENDA THAT HADN'T HAPPENED IN A WHILE, BUT THEY MIGHT MAYBE OUR WHO'S GOING WITH YOU? BRUCE? BRUCE MAYBE OUR IT PEOPLE. SHE TAKES, SHE, SHE'S GOING WITH ME. I SAID BRUCE, I'M GOING, I'VE BEEN OVER. THEY GAVE ME THE DISC. THEY DID, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THE BACKUP. AND THE DISC THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND WAS FROM LIKE FIVE VERSIONS BEFORE THE ONE, NO FLOPPY. THEY DID FIND THE STUFF, BUT THEY CAN'T USE IT. I'VE, I'VE BEEN OVER THERE EVEN WENT MY OLD FILES. AND AS A REMINDER TO COUNSEL, UH, THE, THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS MM-HMM . IS, IS A, IS ADDRESSED IN THE VOLUNTARY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. IS IT REALLY? MM-HMM . BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH PROPERS. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT? I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'VE BEEN BRINGING UP THAT FISCAL IMPACT THING NOW FOREVER . AND NOBODY'S EVER SAID THAT. SO MAYBE YOU SHOULD, MAYBE WE SHOULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE SUMMARY SO THEY CAN SEE IT NOW. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU TONY, ABOUT, BECAUSE HE'S PROBABLY THERE GOING SO HE'LL REMEMBER. SERIOUSLY, I JUST THOUGHT, I'M GLAD I'M, I'M, I FIND THAT SO INTERESTING THAT NOBODY'S EVER SAID THAT. AND I'VE LITERALLY BEEN ASKING ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE AND NOT JUST ME, EVEN PEOPLE IN THE SCHOOL BOARD HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT IT TWO YEARS AT LEAST. YEAH. SO, ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE GREAT HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE AND ME AND. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.