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I HEREBY CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION FOR DECEMBER 3RD, THIRD 2025.
CHAIRMAN NER I HERE VICE CHAIRMAN NEIL PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER FEDERICA PRESENT.
AND COMMISSIONER BROOKS AND COMMISSIONER MARRAZZO ARE, UH, NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT WE HAVE A QUORUM.
I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA PROPOSE THAT I BECOME THE KEEPER OF THE DEFINITION.
AND THAT WAY, AFTER EVERY MEETING, I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE TO KNOW IS WHEN WE PROPOSE A DEFINITION HERE, SOMETIMES YOU GUYS SAY, WELL, WE'LL LOOK CLOSER AT IT.
UM, THAT WE SHOULD JUST DEVELOP A CADENCE OF, ONCE YOU LOOK CLOSER AT IT, YOU TELL ME, OKAY, THIS IS GOOD, THIS IS NOT, THEN I ADD IT TO THAT SPREADSHEET AND SO THAT WE ALWAYS KNOW AND I CAN SEND OUT THE SPREADSHEET AS SOON AS I UPDATE IT.
THAT THAT'S ALWAYS THIS KIND OF THE SOURCE OF TRUTH.
THIS IS A SECONDARY THING THAT'S GOING CREATED ON THE SIDE.
AS WE PUT THIS DOCUMENT TOGETHER, IT HAS THE DEFINITION SECTION INTO IT.
WHAT I DID IS I TOOK YOUR SPREADSHEET AS WELL AS GOING THROUGH ALL THE OTHER MEETINGS AND STUFF, AND I PUT IT IN THAT SECTION.
THE ONE PUT, SO WE, WE, WE NEED TO PARALLEL TRACK THOSE THINGS.
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING IS PUT THE DOCUMENT TOGETHER.
BY ALL MEANS, KEEP THE THING, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE, HELP KEEP ME FROM MISSING ANYTHING THAT, ANYTHING IN THAT.
BUT I, I'LL SEND YOU WHAT I HAVE SO FAR.
IF YOU SEND ME WHAT I HAVE, THEN I WILL FIND A WAY OF TRACKING IT IN MY CHECK, IN MY, IN THE WORKBOOK.
AND THEN ONCE I'VE UPDATED IT, I CAN SEND IT TO YOU.
BECAUSE WE, WE, THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE MISSING IN THERE THAT THINGS WEREN'T
THERE IT WASN'T, THERE WASN'T, IT HADN'T BEEN ANY SYSTEMATIC WAY OF MAINTAINING IT.
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE, AND IF IT, IF WE CAN DO THIS, I CAN JUST PUT THAT SPREADSHEET ON GOOGLE DRIVE.
IT'D BE MY OWN PERSONAL DRIVE.
UNLESS THE, THE, I DON'T KNOW.
IS THAT LEGAL? I I, YOU KNOW, FROM A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION PERSPECTIVE WITH OUR ACCOUNTS, IT'S A PUBLIC, IF YOU'RE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
IS IT A PUBLIC DOCUMENT? SURE.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
BUT WITH OUR, WE, WITH OUR ACCOUNTS, LIKE OUR EMAIL ACCOUNTS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR DRIVE.
DO YOU LOG IN? DO YOU LOG INTO YOUR MICROSOFT ACCOUNT? YEAH, JUST THAT IT'LL ACTUALLY TAKE YOU THROUGH A DIRECTORY.
AND I WAS PLAYING WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING DOCUMENTS THERE, IN FACT, BUT I, UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW SHAREABLE IT IT IS.
WE'D HAVE TO WORK, WORK THAT OUT.
BUT I NOTICED I CAN TAKE PUT DOCUMENTS THERE.
I CAN DOWNLOAD TO WHERE I CAN SHARE 'EM TO, TO WHERE THE, THE LOCATION YOU HAD SENT ME ORIGINALLY.
WHERE YOU FROM? OUR LAST MEETING.
THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS THE, IT'S THE PUBLIC DRIVE PLANNING IS ONLY PUBLIC DRIVE HERE.
WHAT I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE CAN WRITE TO THAT ONE.
SO IF, IF YOU WANTED TO DETERMINE TO KEEP IT ON THE TOWN DRIVES, WE COULD DO THAT.
WELL, IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF WE HAD ONE LOCATION.
THAT WOULD BE, SO WE'LL BE ASKING YOU TO PICK WHAT TOWN DRIVE YOU WANT.
MEN IN, BUT AREN'T THEY ALL BEAUTIFUL? HUH? AREN'T ALL THOSE VOICES BEAUTIFUL? I TAKE MEDS FOR THAT.
UM, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO PICK, YOU KNOW, TELL US WHAT DRIVE THAT IS, IT'S SUCCESSFUL THERE, AND THEN WE CAN DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND WE HAVE A CENTRAL AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS LOG INTO THE MICROSOFT OR MICROSOFT ACCOUNT AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOME HELP WITH BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
WHERE THEY, THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO GO INTO A DOCUMENT AND MAKE CHANGES.
OH, THEY WANT A SHAREABLE DOCUMENT.
I WAS PROPOSING TO PUT IT ON MY GOOGLE DRIVE, BUT I, I IDEALLY IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE DID JUST USE THE, THE, THE TOWN SHARE DRIVE.
AND WHAT I SAID THOUGH, I NOTICED I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT OUR DRIVE.
LIKE DO WE HAVE SHARE DRIVE? WELL, THERE'S THE PUBLIC DRIVE, WHICH IS WHAT I BROUGHT THIS UP ON TONIGHT.
AND, AND, AND I PLAYED WITH THIS LOGGING INTO IT.
I CAN ACTUALLY PUT DOCUMENTS THERE AND EDIT THEM AND STUFF AND SHARE WITH PEOPLE ON EMAILS FROM THERE.
AND I PROBABLY PUT THOSE ALL INTO AN ARCHIVE FILE TODAY.
IF YOU SAVE STUFF TO THAT I DID NOT KNOW.
AND THEN DELETE IT ALL, ALL I DID WAS PLAY WITH IT TO SEE IF I COULD OR COULDN'T BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME DIFFERENT FILES IN THERE.
BUT I PUT IT, THEY'RE ALL THERE STILL.
ALRIGHT, WELL WE, WE NEED TO DO IS GET TOGETHER AND ESTABLISH THAT DRIVE.
AND IT'LL, WE, WE COME IN BY OFFICE, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AND WHERE THAT IS AND SEND TO EVERYBODY.
THEN IT'S JUST YOUR, THE SAME EMAIL LOGIN FOR
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YOU TO GET YOUR EMAIL.SO DO YOU WANT US TO HAVE IT COME DOWN TOMORROW? AND THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD IF WE DID A QUICK MEETING WITH IT PRESSING THERE.
ABSOLUTELY LET IT, WOULD IT TELL US WHERE TO PUT IT? I I JUST CAN'T MAKE IT TOMORROW.
BUT WE, WE'VE WANTED THAT ALL ALONG.
WE JUST HAVE, WE, I KNOW LAUREN'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR A WHILE.
I'D LOVE TO HAVE A SHARED DOCUMENT WHERE YOU CAN JUST PUT YOUR COMMENTS ON THERE SO WE CAN ALL DISCUSS IT FOR A MEETING.
BUT ANYTIME I'VE TRIED TO SHARE A DOCUMENT, IT DOESN'T WORK AND THEN IT TRIES TO GO TO MY PERSONAL GOOGLE ACCOUNT.
AND I THINK THAT, I THINK THE KEY THING IS, AND THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE THE TRICKY PART, IS MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF US ARE LOGGING IN CORRECTLY.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT WOULD BE.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT'D BE GOOD IF WE JUST HAD IT HELP US.
WE HAVE TO BE ON TOWN COMPUTERS AND LEARN TO LOG.
NO, WE CAN DO IT FROM OUR OWN COMPUTER.
BUT SOME OF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW OR CAN'T CHECK YOUR TOWN EMAIL.
BUT IT'S BECAUSE I HAVEN'T LOGGED IN THROUGH MY MICROSOFT ACCOUNT.
I HAVE TO JUST SET UP A, A SEPARATE LOGIN.
AND THAT'S NEVER LIKE, OH, IT'S REALLY EASY.
LIKE, THERE'S ALWAYS, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS PARTICULAR HICCUPS WITH EVERYBODY, RIGHT? LIKE, OH, YOU DID THIS ON YOUR COMPUTER OR YOU DID THAT.
WELL, SO WHEN, WHEN COULD YOU MEET WITH, WITH, I ASSUME, AND ALAN AND LAUREN AND CONNIE, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE MEET UP WITH TO COORDINATE AT THE SAME TIME.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO ALL BE THERE AT THE SAME TIME.
JUST GIVE IT THE GUY TO STATUTE AND TELL US WHAT TO DO.
UM, I MIGHT JUST CALL THE IT GUY AND I WROTE DOWN HIS NUMBER, BUT ALL HIS INFORMATION AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE I PUT IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO TRY AND SET UP MY OWN TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS MY ACCOUNT FOR MY COMPUTER.
UM, I'LL EMAIL CHARLES AND FIND OUT WHEN HE'S IN.
AND THEN MAYBE I'LL JUST ARRANGE WITH HIM, SEE WHAT HAPPENS FOR HIM.
AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.
I'LL JUST TAKE REALLY GOOD NOTES WITH HIM TOO.
BUT I, I DON'T SEE HOW ANY OF THAT COULD HAPPEN WITHOUT AT LEAST LAUREN BEING AROUND.
I'M NOT TECH SAVVY, BUT NO, BUT JUST TO SAY, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SAY THIS IS WHERE IT SHOULD GO OR SHOULDN'T GO.
OR WHAT NIE COULD ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
CONNIE KNOWS WITH YOU IF YOU COULDN'T, EVEN WITH CONNIE AND CHARLES, AH, I KNEW A LITTLE DIRECTION.
'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING AND I, I NEED A LITTLE CLARIFICATION AS WELL AS TO THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE SHARED DOCUMENT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO DO, TO DO WHAT? EXACTLY REAL TIME TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT TO DO REAL TIME WELL IN ITS EVOLUTIONARY, NOT SO YOU SEND OUT THE, THE, THE, THE AGENDA BEFOREHAND.
AND ALL OF US ARE READING IT INDIVIDUALLY AND MAKING NOTES OR MAKING COMMENTS ON IT.
THEN WE COME TOGETHER HERE AND WE TRY TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE THINGS.
IF WE HAD A SHARED DOCUMENT, WE COULD JUST BE PUTTING OUR COMMENTS INTO THE SHARED DOCUMENT WHERE EACH OF THEM COULD SEE IT.
SO YOU KNOW HOW LIKE IF WE PASS THE DOCUMENT BACK AND FORTH AND WE PUT COMMENTS OR NOTES IN THE SIDE, EACH PERSON WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT COLOR THAT AND THEY CONSTITUTE A MEETING.
WELL, YOU JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT THERE'S NOT A CONTEMPORANEOUS EXCHANGE SOMEHOW.
EACH PERSON CAN EDIT THE DOCUMENT, BUT YOU'RE NOT TOGETHER.
SO ON THERE ON TIME THEY COULD, BUT IT IS ONLY, BUT BUT YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY TALKING TO ANYBODY ELSE.
WHEN YOU'RE EDITING, WHEN YOU'RE TRACKING CHANGES, YOU HIT SEND.
NOW SOMEBODY CAN REPLY IMMEDIATELY IF ALAN AND BOTH, LET'S JUST SAY ALAN, MYSELF AND YOU ARE ALL WORKING ON THE DOCUMENT AT THE SAME TIME AND I PUT A COMMENT IN AND THEN YOU HIT SEND.
RIGHT? THAT'S THE WAY IT POSTS IT.
BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT MAKES IT AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.
THEN ALAN IS ON THERE AT THE SAME TIME SAYING, NO, THERESA, I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU.
AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, I THINK SHE'S RIGHT.
ALL THREE OF US ARE HAVING CAN'T CO MEETING.
HOW ABOUT IF YOU, YOU WORK ON IT AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE, JUST BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE MACHINE, YOU HIT SAY, SO THEN YOU'RE OUT OF THE PICTURE.
AS SOON AS I GET OUT OF THE COMMENT, IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL QUOTE, THEN IT'LL COME TO ALAN AND ME AND NO, IT DOESN'T COME.
WELL, WE KNOW THAT YOU'VE MADE CHANGES.
THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO SAY IS DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE VERSUS CHANGES.
YOU HAVE TO PRESERVE THE COMMISSION'S WORK PRODUCT.
THAT'S WHERE COMMISSIONS WORK PRODUCT, NOT INDIVIDUAL WORK PRODUCT.
BUT IT SEND A MESSAGE TO ALAN WHO MIGHT BE OUT ROLLING HIS YARD.
THERE ARE CHANGES TO, OH, SORRY.
WHEN I SAY SEND, IT'S JUST, IT'S SENDING IT TO THE CLOUD.
WE WON'T GET A NOTICE, YOU WON'T GET A NOTIFICATION.
BUT IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE WORKING AT IT AT THE SAME TIME, WE COULD
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ACTUALLY, THE THREE OF US COULD HAVE AN INCIDENT LIKE INSTANT MESSAGING ALMOST.THAT'S WHAT WE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN AND THAT'S WHAT A MEETING THAT'S, SO WHAT WE DO IS WE JUST LOOK AT IT SEPARATELY ON THEIR OWN TIME.
YOU JUST DON'T RESPOND TO ANY COMMENTS.
AND IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION TO CONFIRM THE DRAFT AT, AT A MEETING.
BUT I THINK THE OTHER BENEFIT TO THAT IS, UM, IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO SEE WHAT WE DID AT EVERY MEETING IN ONE CONTIGUOUS PLACE.
THAT, THAT I THINK WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
IT WOULD BE EASIER TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT.
THAT'S WHERE THE TRACK CHANGES COMES IN.
AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS HANDY TO DO IT THIS WAY.
AND THEN THE WAY MEGAN WAS EVEN COMMENTING WHY WE ACCEPTED OR REJECTED LIKE THOSE, ALL OF THAT IS GREAT.
IF IT'S ALL IN ONE DOCUMENT, THEN THAT'S ACCURATE.
IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE ME SOME, LIKE GIVE ME A DAY OR SO TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT CAN AND CAN'T DO, WHAT OUR LIMITATIONS ARE, WE CAN, WE CAN AT LEAST GET AN ANSWER.
UM, THERESA, CAN YOU WRITE A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT YOU WANNA DO AND SEND IT TO LAUREN? OH NO, I KNOW WHAT IT IS.
I KNOW SHARE, ACTUALLY SHARE, YEAH.
THAT IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE TRIED IT, IT DOESN'T WORK.
LIKE THE FILES ARE TOO BIG OR SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOME CENTRAL WAY.
AND THIS TOMORROW, IN FRIDAY MAY NOT BE GOOD.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING TO COMPLETELY REBUILD THE SERVER HAVING IT ISSUES RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAD TO ORDER MEMORY AND A BUNCH OF STUFF.
SO CHARLES TOLD ME TODAY, TOMORROW THEY'LL BE ACTUALLY BUILDING THE SYSTEM.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE WEEK TO DO IT BECAUSE SOME OF THE SHARED DRIVES WE CAN'T GET IN.
BUT LET ME LET
UM, BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THIS, WE JUMP INTO, OKAY.
JUST NEED TO REITERATE SOMETHING.
OUR LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, CHANGING THE, THAT THEY WERE GIVING ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY TO, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING ON THE NON-CONFORMING LOTS UP TO 25%.
UM, THE ADDITIONAL IN LIEU OF MAKING ALL OF THESE OTHER CHANGES IN THE SEAT OR THE R TWO AND R THREE.
SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION I THINK PLANNING ZONING WOULD LIKE TO GO.
AND WHAT THE CONSENSUS WAS WITH THAT GROUP IS THAT AGREED TO GIVE, TO GIVE PLANNING ZONING 25.
THE 25% OF THOSE NONCONFORMING LOTS.
AND SO RATHER THAN CHANGE THE ZONING, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO BASED ON THAT, GO BACK AND CHANGE.
WE'LL GO BACK AND UM, CHANGE THAT IN C TWO AND C3.
THEY'LL REVERT BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL NUMBERS, IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOS.
IT'S NOT, NOT C TWO R TWO AND R THREE R.
ANY OTHER CHANGE WE MADE WILL STILL STAND.
BUT THAT, THAT, 'CAUSE THERE WAS SEVERAL OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
IT WAS CUT FROM 30 FEET TO 15 FEET.
IF IT WAS ORIGINALLY, IT'LL GO BACK TO RIGHT.
WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO THAT LAST WEEK.
THIS, I'M REITERATING, YOU KNOW, THE DECISION WHERE, WHAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON.
'CAUSE I'M GONNA DO IS I'LL FIX THAT DOCUMENT.
IT'LL COME BACK TO REVIEW FOR EVERYBODY.
BUT I'LL FIX THOSE, FIX THOSE THINGS IN THERE.
AND THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CHANGED THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH, UM, TRYING TO COM ACCOMMODATE THOSE, UM, NON-STANDARD LOTS OR NON-CONFORMING LOTS WILL OF COURSE STILL STAND IN THOSE CHANGES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE, 'CAUSE WE TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT ALL WHOLE THING BEFORE I MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
BUT ULTIMATELY YOU'LL GET THE REVIEWING IT AGAIN ANYWAY.
I, IT, IT ISN'T, I'M NOT GONNA SNEAK IT IN AND SAY THUMBS UP AND RUN
JUST WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO WORK ON THE NON-CONFORMING LANGUAGE PRIOR TO THE 18TH.
THAT, THAT'S, WE ARE GONNA MEET TO DO THE NON-CONFORMING.
AND THEN, UM, WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING? WE, SO WE, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DOCUMENT I EDITED PRIOR TO THE 18TH.
THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF US SITTING DOWN AND WORKING.
I LOVE IT WHEN A PLAN COMES TOGETHER, THE PLANNING CONDITION.
WE'RE BUSY 'CAUSE WE'RE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK.
WE'LL, ON AND OFF IN CHARLOTTESVILLE.
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OH, RIGHT NOW.WELL, I'LL BE BACK WEDNESDAY IT THURSDAY AND FRIDAY.
IS IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD DO TO HELP OR IS THIS JUST STRICTLY IN YOUR BLUE BALLPARK? IT'S JUST AN, I THINK IT'S IN OUR BALLPARK, BUT TRYING TO WORK AROUND OUR OTHER, UH, COMMITMENTS.
ME, BARBARA, I'LL MEET UP WITH GEORGE FRIDAY AND WE FIGURED OUT FRIDAY.
FRIDAY THE FIFTH OF THIS WEEK.
WE'RE GOING TOMORROW TWO DAYS.
'CAUSE YOU'RE OUT PANELING MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, YOU'RE OUT ALL THREE DAYS.
HOW'S YOUR GRANDMOTHER? UM, SHE'S SLEEPING AND SHE'S COMFORTABLE.
WE HAD ONE OF THEM GO TO THE LEGAL PART OF ZONING TWO GO TO CHARLOTTE FIELD OR A LEGAL TRAINING UPDATE OR BEZO.
TECHNICALLY YOU HAVE TO BE AN EMPLOYEE.
WE ARE, WE GET 90 A MONTH WHETHER WE NEED IT OR NOT.
AND WE GET LAID TO THE EMPLOYEE IN LUNCHEONS AND ALL THE REST HONESTLY, ON THESE INVITATIONS.
DON'T THEY COME INTO YOU? UM, WHEN THEY DO THAT LAND USE, UM, THAT LAND USE EDUCATION PROGRAM, THEY DO A LEGAL UPDATE EVERY AUGUST OR SOMETHING.
ONE LEGAL THING I WENT TO WAS VERY USEFUL.
THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS SHOULD SHOOT TO GO TO AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.
DO WE HAVE MORE TO DISCUSS OR CAN WE START? OH NO, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, SAY I DIDN'T, I KNEW THIS WOULD KICK ASIDE CONVERSATION WITH STUFF THAT HAD TO GO, SO, RIGHT.
SO YOU WANT ME THE P TO DISCUSS A NONCONFORMING? THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO BE EXPLICIT ABOUT MY TO DO SO LAUREN, I THINK BEFORE YOU CAME IN, WE, WE KIND OF, I PROPOSED THAT I'D BE THE KEEPER OF THE DEFINITIONS.
UM, AND ALAN, I SENT HIM THE FILE THAT I HAD.
HE WENT THROUGH, ALAN WENT THROUGH IT AND UPDATED IT ALL AT THE END OF HIS DOCUMENT IN THE SECTION FOR DEFINITIONS ALSO WENT AND I WENT THROUGH OUR MEETINGS TO RECOVER THOSE THINGS THAT WERE MISSED THAT I COULD FIND.
SO, SO I'M GONNA CROSS REFERENCE HIS DOCUMENT WITH MY MAKE SURE I HAVE THE MOST CURRENT.
AND THEN THE ONLY THING IS I THINK SOMETIMES WE SAY, OH, LET'S CHANGE THIS DEFINITION AND WE DECIDE WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN SOMETIMES YOU GUYS SAY, OH WELL WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK A COUPLE THINGS.
SO JUST A PROCESS FLOW ON THAT.
I THINK THAT IF WE STATE SAY THAT I'M GONNA HOPEFULLY CAPTURE IT MIGHT TO DO AND FOLLOW UP WITH YOU GUYS.
UM, BUT THEN ULTIMATELY WE WANT KIND OF THAT EXCEL DOCUMENT TO BE THE SOURCE OF ALWAYS THE MOST CURRENT AND SOURCE OF TRUTH.
AND, AND WE'LL KEEP THE END OF THE DOCUMENT TRACKING YOURS AS AS WE GO.
THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT TO, AND YOU'RE STILL HELPING WITH INCORPORATING THE PREVIOUS CHANGES INTO THE ONE MASTER DOCUMENT.
AND AS SOON AS WE GET THROUGH THE INDUSTRIAL PORTION OF IT, GO GO TO THE TOP AND START CLEANING UP ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH AND THEN SEND.
'CAUSE AFTER WE GET THROUGH THESE ZONES, THEN WE'RE DOING THE SUPPLEMENTAL PROVISIONS AND THEN IT'S PUBLIC HEARING TIME AND GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS AND THEN HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ANOTHER WORK SESSION OR TWO TO CLEAN UP ANYTHING.
WELL, WE NEED TO GET THE COMPLETE DOCUMENT, SEND IT TO EVERYBODY TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE, ANYTHING MISSED, ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO GO THROUGH 'CAUSE YEAH.
BUT PROGRESS, WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.
WE, WE WENT THROUGH C ONE ONCE BEFORE AND WE HAVE COMMENTS IN HERE ALREADY.
IT'S JUST THEY HADN'T BEEN ADJUDICATED WITH LAUREN MEMBER.
SO, UM, WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS.
AND SO IF WE CAN, I THINK IN YOUR VERSION I HAD RESPONDED IN SOME OF THE NOTES.
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S WANDER ON THROUGH, UH, THE, THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE.
THIS IS NEEDS DEFINITION FOR A SMALL SCALE MAKER SPACES.
THAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IN THE DEFINITION.
SO THAT CAN BE, YOU CAN ACCEPT IT OR DELETE IT
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OR, UH, IN THIS CASE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.UM, JUST DELETE THE, ACCEPT THE YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN DELETE, YOU CAN ACCEPT IT WITH THE THUMBS UP WITH ACCEPT THE THUMB.
I SAID I THINK THAT KEEPS A RECORD OF THE QUESTION OR THE COMMENT.
DOES IT NOT? YOU HIT THE THUMBS UP.
I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, UM SURE.
THE DEFINITION'S BEEN CREATED.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING SEE, SEE WHERE IT SAYS AS SEND.
SO TO ANY, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT SAYS SEND, IT MAKES YOU SEND.
ACTUALLY I DO THINK THAT SOMEBODY CAN, YOU CAN SET IT UP SO PEOPLE ARE EMAILED NOTIFICATIONS WITH THE CHANGES.
SO, SO THERE'S ONE, BUT I ALMOST FEEL LIKE ONCE, LIKE WHEN MEGAN, SORRY, WHEN MEGAN WAS DOING THIS, EVERYTHING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DELETED WAS DELETED.
UM, FOR SOME REASON IT BROUGHT UP THIS TIME IT'S STILL SHOWING THE MARK THROUGHS.
LIKE I, I'M LOOKING AT IT HERE.
IT DOESN'T SHOW THE MARK THROUGHS.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHICH COMPUTER I DRAWING.
IT SHOWS THAT OFF TO THE SIDE.
I HAVE LIKE, BUT WE, WE CAN, WE CAN LIVE WITH THAT.
I'M FEELING THE STRESS OF BEING AS GOOD AS MEGAN.
SO WHY DON'T CONTINUE TO WALK THROUGH AND FIND THOSE THINGS.
NO ONE HAD ANY ARGUMENT WITH ANY OF THE ADD ON.
WE, WE, WE ADDED THESE THINGS LIKE THE SINGLE FAMILY.
NO ONE HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT IN OUR MEETING.
AND SINCE YOU REVIEWED IT TO LAUREN, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO, AND THIS HELPS US CREATE THAT MIXED USE COMMERCIAL YES.
RESIDENTIAL TYPE FEELING DISTRICT.
AND WE HAD THAT WHOLE THREE DWELLING UNIT DISCUSSION AND STUFF.
SO WE WE CAN GO ON THROUGH, KEEP GOING.
IT WAS ADDED TO EVERY SECTION.
WHAT WAS IT THAT WAS FORMATTED FORMATTING? UM, THAT WAS JUST SCRATCH MINIMUM.
SO YEAR SIZE THAT THAT HAD TO DO WITH IT WAS NOT, UM, ASK ALARM RATIONALE TO CHANGE IT TO 50.
WHAT SHOULD THE PROPORTION BE BETWEEN COVERS? SO SCROLL BACK OVER 50.
THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT, UM, WE, THAT WAS LEFT IN.
'CAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GIVING HER ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY.
THIS IS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
AND THIS ALSO SHRINKS DOWN THE SIZE OF THE MINIMUM LOT OR INTERIOR LOT SIZE TO ADD MORE, UM, FLEXIBILITY FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE COMMERCIAL IN C ONE.
IS THIS THE RATIONALE PORT? SHOULD I MAKE A COMMENT? UM, I I, DO WE NEED TO PUT A RATIONALE? I I, I DON'T THINK SO.
IT IS JUST, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF EXPLAINING WHY IT WASN'T CHANGED.
AND DO YOU AGREE WE'RE AT, UH, FORMERLY 1 75 DASH 40, WHICH IS NOW 6.9 0.4.
SCROLL BACK OVER SO WE CAN SEE THE ACTUAL THERE WE GO SECTION.
SO IT, IT, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY TO STICK WITH THAT.
AND THOSE TWO CHANGES THERE TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY TO SEE ONE FOR SMALLER BUSINESSES.
50 AND 65 BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SUCH A MIXTURE OF LOTS IN, YOU SEE ONE LIKE LOT SIZES AND YOU GO THROUGH BEING REASONABLE TO MAKE THIS CHANGE.
AND SO IN MY OPINION, AND IT IS KIND OF, DO YOU GUYS AGREE? YEAH.
AND IF YOU DO, THEN LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT CHANGE THERE.
I SAY, UM, FOR THIS ONE YEAH, FOR THE 50 FEET YOU SEE IF YOU YEAH, THERE'S NO THUMBS UP HERE.
JUST RIGHT CLICK ON THE 50 WHERE IT SAYS 50 OR RIGHT THERE.
AND IT SHOULD SAY ACCEPT CHANGE.
WELL GO OVER, GO OVER OVER FAR TO THE LEFT WHERE IT SAYS 75 OH HERE.
CLERK SHOULD SAY, YEAH, I SEE.
SO YOU'RE LEAVING AT 75 OR IT'S FI YOU WANT WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GOING BACK TO, WE'RE GOING TO 50.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO ACCEPT CHANGE AGAIN IN THERE HERE.
IF, IF AGAIN, IF YOU GUYS AGREE THAT'S REASONABLE, ONE TO 65.
WHY IS IT DO, WHY IS IT NOT LETTING ME DO THIS? HOW ABOUT IF WE CAN DELETE ALL THE NUMBERS AND JUST TYPE IN THE 65.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO 65, RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M SURE DELETE IT WON'T LET YOU DO BECAUSE THE TRACK CHANGE BUT NOW NOPE, IT WON'T LET ME.
ALRIGHT, LET ME GET TO, LET ME GET IN MY DOCUMENTS.
WHAT SECTION WAS THAT? I'M SORRY.
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C, IT'S NOW C.SO WE'RE GONNA ACCEPT THAT CHANGE.
IT'S GOING TO 65, CORRECT? 65.
IT'S ASKING THE DIFFERENCES HERE AND THE CORN LOT IS GONNA BE 65.
ABOUT MAKING A RED LIGHT C THERE.
THAT'S SO WE CAN TELL WHAT CHANGES IS GONNA BE MADE WHEN THEY ADOPT THIS.
OR WE'RE GIVING THE BRAND NEW DOCUMENT.
THERE'S NO TRANSPOSING OUR CURRENT INTO THIS 'CAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STRUCTURE AND THERE'S NEW TEXT THAT'S BEEN ADDED.
IT'S, THIS IS NOT ELIMINATE THE OLD DOCUMENT.
OUR DOCUMENT, THIS SUPERSEDES OUR CODE.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEN PEOPLE SAY WHAT WAS IT WASN'T.
REFER BACK TO THE OLD DOCUMENT.
REFER BACK TO THE OLD DOCUMENT.
SO THE WAY THIS WORKS, THIS DRAFT, IF YOU SEE SECTION 6.9 0.5 IN PARENTHESES UNTIL THIS IS APPROVED, IT'S GOT THE MM-HMM
SECTION IN DERIVE ONE SAY ABOUT 41.
SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND TRACK IT IF YOU ABSOLUTELY WANT TO BY THOSE REFERENCES.
AND THEN IN THAT MEMO THAT SUMMIT SENT IT EXPLAINED THE DIFFERENT TEXTS.
SO TIMES NEW ROMAN BLUE SIZE 12 FONT ORIGINALLY CAME FROM OUR CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE.
ANYTHING IN GREEN AERIAL IS LIKE NEW LANGUAGE.
THERE'S PIECES THAT WERE PULLED FROM OTHER ORGAN.
THE REASON IT'S STILL HIGHLIGHTED ON THE 65 IS BECAUSE OF THE COMMENT ON HAND.
SO THAT WANTS US KIND OF TRACK HOW THIS CAME TOGETHER.
YOU HAVE TO DELETE THAT IN ORDER TO GET RID OF THE HIGHLIGHTING SOMEONE WANTS.
YOU TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT FROM NOW.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT GETS RID OF THAT.
SO I'LL CLEAN THAT UP LATER ON.
I DON'T MIND DOING NOW IF YOU WANT TO DO IT.
WELL I DON'T, THERE MAY BE MORE COMMENTS IN LATER IN THE THREAD.
LET, LET'S NOT DO IT UNTIL WE FINISH THE THREAD.
UH, YEAH, WE DON'T, IT'LL TAKE FOREVER FOR US TO CLEAN THAT STUFF UP.
THAT STUFF CAN BE DONE OFFLINE WITHOUT WASTING MUCH TIME.
BUT JUST GOING THROUGH, SO WE JUST SCROLL, KEEP ON GOING DOWN IF YOU GUYS ARE READY.
THIS RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, THE OVERALL HEIGHT, WHAT DID WE, WE ENDED UP, WE HAD THE, THIS WAS A DISCUSSION WHERE THE, THE, UM, RECOMMENDED HEIGHT FROM THE, UM, CONSULTANT WAS, WAS 85 WAS KIND OF, EVERYONE THOUGHT WHAT? YEAH.
AND, AND THE, BUT THE OTHER GOING HIGHER MADE SENSE.
BUT THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER DISCUSSION THAT GO OFF AS HIGH AS 65.
SO IT WAS KIND OF A, WHAT WAS AGREED AT THAT POINT? I THINK LAUREN YOU MENTIONED 65.
AS, AS A, LIKE THE 85 JUST SEEMED OUT.
85 WAS, YOU KNOW, EIGHT STORIES.
THAT SEEMED A LITTLE MUCH, BUT 65 WOULD FIT IN CONCERT OR OTHER THINGS.
AND THE THING ABOUT THE HEIGHT TOO IS GEOLOGICAL WEEKEND'S HARD TO ACHIEVE.
I MEAN THERE ARE OTHER PROHIBITIONS ON SITES THAT CAN LIMIT THE HEIGHT.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME FROM OUR ORDINANCE, BUT I THINK IF YOU CAP IT AT 65, UM, SO CAN ALWAYS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA MAKE 65.
THAT A OR B WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS NOW WE'RE UP TO C 6.9.
THERE'S B AND C ARE BOTH 65 A IS 35 AND B IS 65.
I WOULD SAY CHANGE B AND C TO 65 IS PART PART OF THE DISCUSSION BASED ON, BASED ON ALL THE INPUT.
BECAUSE 85, WHICH JUST OUT OF, OUT OF CONCERT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, I'M GONNA DO WHAT MEGAN DID.
SHE, SHE DELETED BOTH THEN ADDED 65.
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TWO.YOU THINK YOU'RE SMARTER THAN ME, DON'T YOU? ANYWAY, UM, THEN WE'RE GONNA ACCEPT THESE CHANGES.
DO YOU WANT ME TO ACCEPT THESE CHANGES AS GOING THROUGH? UM, SURE.
AND THIS, ALL THE REST OF THIS, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE DELETING THAT PROVIDED THAT THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF EXCEEDS 35% IN THE REQUIRED YARDS BY ONE.
YEAH, JUST GRAMMAR WISE AND SPACES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S A WE HAVE TO GO CLEAN ALL THAT.
WHAT'S THAT COMMENT THERE? KIND SUB RECOMMENDED STRIKING AS Y WAS IT, UM, WINDOW PARKING PROVIDED BETWEEN STRUCTURED STREET FIVE BE PROVIDED HOOK.
IF WE'RE MAKING ACCESSORY BUILDINGS 35, THEN WE DON'T NEED THE REST OF A SENTENCE OF E IN NO CASE SHALL THE HEIGHT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF OH, YOU'RE UP HERE.
IF WE'RE MAKING THE HEIGHT OF THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE.
WELL THE HEIGHT OF THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE IS ONLY 25 FEET HIGH THOUGH.
OH, YOU MEAN IF IT EXISTING? YEAH.
OKAY, SO THIS WAS, WHY WERE THEY, WHY IT WAS BEING STRUCK OUT BETWEEN BY THE
SHE SAID, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, IT WAS WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS NECESSARY.
AND THE NOTE I HAVE IS THAT THE END OF OUR CONVERSATION, LAUREN SAID IT WAS OKAY TO KEEP IT.
WHERE ARE WE AT NOW? ON A ONE WHERE IT SAYS THAT PRINCIPAL STRUCTURES UNDER FRONT SETBACK A SO WE'RE STRIKING WHERE NO PARKING IS PROVIDED.
NO, I DON'T, I I DON'T THINK KEEPING IT ALL, I THINK IT'S NOT SUMMIT RECOMMENDED STRIKING.
SO IN IN EFFECT WE'RE WE ALREADY, IT'S, I THINK THE CHANGE IS ALREADY BEEN REJECTED.
AND SO THE NOTE WAS TRACKING IT THING ON B, UM, THIS SENTENCE, SORRY, ENTRY.
THAT'S NOT A HELPFUL NOTE AT ALL.
'CAUSE THE POINT OF THOSE NOTES IS TO UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALITY OF IT.
SINCE WE'RE LEAVING THE WAY IT WAS, WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S RATIONALE IF YOU'RE NOT CHANGING IT.
YOU KEEPING THE, I DON'T KNOW YET.
WE'RE PARKING DIVIDED BETWEEN THE STRUCTURE OF THE STREET
I THINK THAT COULD BE REDUCED.
THE REASON IS IF YOU HAVE PARKING BETWEEN THIS, THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE OR THE PROPERTY LINE IN A BUILDING, OUR PARKING SPACE IS 18 FEET.
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A 22 FOOT TRAVEL WAY FOR 90 DEGREE PARKING.THEN THE DISTANCE FROM THE PARKING TO THE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE FIVE.
SO 45 INSTEAD OF 50 50 JUST GIVES YOU OFFER.
BUT YEAH, 45 WOULD BE THE MINIMUM YOU'D NEED.
SO DO WE WANT, WHY DON'T YOU DO 45 THEN? AND IF THEY CALCULATED, THAT MAKES SENSE.
THAT'S JUST THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
SO THIS IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT B WHERE PARKING IS PROVIDED BETWEEN THE STRUCTURE.
IF YOU HAVE PARKING, MAKING IT 45, THE PARKING LOT, YOU DON'T, YOU COULD PUT THE BUILDING AT 45.
THAT'S WHAT ALL OR REDUCING PARKING.
THE SIDE AND REAR CORNER ARE UP TO 10.
15 SOME SAID CUT INTO FIVE AND WE PUT 'EM BACK UP.
SO THAT'S ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
NUMBER FOUR, WE'RE LEAVING THE SIDE OF FIVE OR 50% OF THE BUILDING HEIGHT HERE.
NO, WE LEFT IT NO, FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IT IS SIDE FIVE AND REAR FIVE 50%.
BUT ARE YOU STRIKING THE 50% OF BUILDING HEIGHT? YES.
DO YOU WANNA DO THAT? UH, THAT'S QUESTION.
YEAH, I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION.
WELL, YOU COULD HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT 35 FOOT HIGH AND IT'S GONNA BE FIVE FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
I, WELL, A TALL BUILDING AND NARROW AREA
SO I MEAN THEN IF IT WAS 35 FOOT HIGH, THEN YOU WOULD NEED THAT.
IF IT'S 35 FOOT HIGH NOW WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT TO BE 17 AND A HALF FEET.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMERCIALS THOUGH.
NOBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO LIVE HERE.
FROM THAT ARGUMENT, IT SEEMS LIKE FIVE FEET STILL.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE WHY IT'S COMMERCIAL, IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL.
IT SEEMS HAVE FIVE FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE AT 35 FOOT HIGH.
BUT DON'T WE ELABORATE RESIDENTIAL DRAWINGS IN THE ZONE? I'M JUST THIS IS UNDER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
IN THE C ONE, THIS IS NOT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
THIS IS LIKE A, A STORAGE ROOM OR SOMETHING.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT A STORAGE SHED THAT'S 35 FEET HIGH.
WHY DON'T YOU LOOK AT THE REDUCING THE HEIGHT OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THEN AND NOT NECESSARILY THE SETBACKS.
WOULD A 30, LIKE FOR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, LET'S JUST SAY IF YOU NEED TO STORE TENTS, I'M JUST PICKING LIKE DO WE WANT TO REDUCE THE, THE HEIGHT OF THAT FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY? YEAH.
OR THERE COULD BE A POSSIBILITY.
WE, COMMERCIAL ZONES TYPICALLY HAVE STRICTER LIKE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS.
LIKE THERE'S MEASURES IN PLACE TO POTENTIALLY REDUCE THEIR IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
AND THE WAY OURS IS SET UP, THE COMMERCIAL IS HUGGING OUR MAIN STREETS AND I MEAN THERE IS SOME CONNECTION WITH LIKE THE HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES.
I DON'T THINK, I THINK THE HEIGHT, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE HEIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SETBACKS THAT YEAH.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S, I THINK THE HEIGHT AND SETBACKS ARE OKAY ON THIS COMMERCIAL PERSONALLY BECAUSE NOT EVERY PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL ENTITY IS GONNA GO UP TO 35 FEET.
THEY MAY JUST WANNA PUT A SHED OUT THERE THAT THEY GET FROM HOME DEPOT OR LOWE'S.
YOU HAVE TO THINK OF SOME COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT'S GOING OFFERS, NEEDS STORAGE FOR THEIR BUSINESS.
I MEAN A LARGE STORAGE COMPONENT.
BUT WE ALSO REQUIRE THAT COMMERCIAL USES, LIKE THE USE IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE STRUCTURE.
SO WHAT ARE THEY GONNA BE DOING IN THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT'S
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GONNA REQUIRE A THREE LEVEL OR THREE STORY? STORAGE? STORAGE.YOU COULD DO LUMBER, WHATEVER HERE UNDER, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 30 FOOT LONG PIECES OF WOOD.
SO YOUR BUILDING'S GONNA BE 30 FOOT HIGH, SO YOU COULD STORE WHATEVER.
UH, THAT'S NOT, THAT, THAT'S 30 FEET IS NOT THAT TALL FOR A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
AND YOU WANT THAT FIVE FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM? I DON'T HAVE A RATIONALE FOR WHY IT HAS TO STAY THE WAY IT IS.
DO YOU JUST, JUST GETTING INTO A NUISANCE TYPE THING.
LIKE THE ONE, YOU KNOW THAT TAJ MAHA LAVAGE IN TOWN, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NEIGHBORS NOT LIKING EACH OTHER.
WHY, WHY DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD, DO YOU THINK FIVE FEET'S TOO SMALL? YOU THINK THAT YEAH, THE MINIMUM SHOULD BE GREATER REGARDLESS OF FORMULAS.
I JUST KIND OF WANNA HEAR WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.
I'M, IS IS THIS WHAT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE APPLICATIONS, WE CAME IN AND THEY COME IN FOR STORAGE, UM, FOR COMMERCIAL.
HOW OFTEN ARE WE GETTING THAT? SO IF IT'S TWO AND, AND ALSO IF IT'S TWO, TWO COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES NEXT TO EACH OF 'EM GETS, PUTS UP AN ACCESSORY BUILDING, THEY'LL BE 10 FEET BETWEEN.
SO, SO, SO THE MOVEMENT NOWADAYS IS TO GET THOSE SEED CONTAINERS OR CONEX BOXES OR PODS, THOSE AREN'T HIGH.
THEY'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS.
SO THEY COULD STACK THREE HIGH OR UM, YOU KNOW, OR YOU COULD STACK 'EM IF YOU WANT TO.
UM, I MEAN THE REALITY IS IS THAT WE, WE SEE CONTRACTORS DOING THAT FOR LIKE WHATEVER PLUMBING SUPPLIES, BUILDING SUPPLIES.
THEY'RE DOING THE, THE CONEX BOXES OR SEA CONTAINERS OR PODS OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL 'EM.
BUT WE ALSO DON'T REGULATE UGLY WHAT YOU I UNDERSTAND.
I JUST, SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND A AND AN ACTUAL PURPOSE BUILDING AS FAR AS HEIGHT AND DISTANCE BETWEEN IT, IT IS NOT.
I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY IT'S 50% OF THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE'S BEEN USED TO.
SO NOW YOU'RE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'D BE ALLOWING THE 35 FOOT BUILDING, FIVE FOOT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE'VE ONLY HAD IN IWORK, SINCE WE'VE HAD IWORKS, WE'VE HAD 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 NON-RESIDENTIAL ACCESSORY BUILDINGS.
SO IF, IF THE PURPOSE IS TO MAKE MORE C ONE AVAILABLE, THEN THIS MAKES SENSE.
IF THE PURPOSE IS, IF IF WE'RE THROWING THAT OUT, STICK WITH THEM PUTTING THE 50%, THEN WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING IT BACK TO REDUCING THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY OUR, DOES IT HURT TO GO TO THIS TO HAVE THAT 35 FOOT BUILDING FIVE FOOT OFF, OFF THE GROUND AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL GOES? UM, I, I, OR IS FOR THE EXCHANGE OF CREATING, HAVING MORE LAND AVAILABLE FOR C ONE, IS IT WORTH THAT TRADE? IS THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING, I I I WAY I LOOK AT IT IS BECAUSE YOU'RE REDUCING THE LOT WIDTH POTENTIALLY ON SOME OF THESE LOTS THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE REDUCING THAT DOWN, I THINK THE INTERIOR ONE DOWN THE, WHAT WAS IT, 50 FEET OR SOMETHING? 50 FEET, YEAH.
AND THEN YOUR ACCESSORY BUILDING IS 35 FOOT HIGH.
YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO BE 17 AND A HALF FOOT OFF EACH SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
WELL THAT'S 35 FOOT YOU, YOUR ACCESSORY BUILDING GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 15 FOOT WIDE AT THE MOST IF THEY WERE, WHICH THEY WOULDN'T BUILD, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY WOULDN'T BUILD, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU'RE SHRINKING LOT DOWN.
SO NO, WE SHRINKING A LOT DOWN TO ALLOW MORE DIVERSITY OF BUILDINGS.
BUT CLEARLY SOME BUSINESSES CAN'T BE ON THE SMALLER LOT.
AND, AND BUT, SO WE'RE TRYING TO AGAIN, SET A MINIMUM OKAY.
UH, SO I, I THINK, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.
I DON'T SEE, SO THE ONLY ONES THAT WE'VE HAD HAVE BEEN ONE WAS A WAGON SHED AND THAT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT WAS AT THE CHESTER STREET.
AND THEN, UM, FEET AND HOME STUDY DID THAT LIKE BUN PAVILION THING.
UM, AND WHAT ABOUT DYNAMIC WISE? UM, LET'S SEE.
THAT WAS NOT IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
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YEAH, THEY'RE MOSTLY CHURCHES FIRST, FIRST ASSEMBLY OF GOD.A 40 BY 100 FOOT, PROBABLY TEMPORARY.
PROBABLY TO SELL CHRISTMAS TREES OR SOME, YEAH.
I MEAN WE DON'T, THERE'S NOTHING CRAZY HAPPENING HERE, AT LEAST WITH THE PERMITS THAT WE'VE TAKEN IN.
UM, AND MOST OF THESE ARE THE CHURCHES PUTTING UP SOME KIND OF PAVILION OR, YEAH.
SO THE ONLY SCARY THING IS A THOUGHT OF THREE PODS STACKED.
WELL, BUT THAT'S GOTTA BE, THEY'RE NOT JUST GONNA DROP 'EM IN THERE ON A CRANE AND NOT MAKE SURE IT'S STABLE.
NO, BUT WELL THAT'S UGLY THAT, THAT'S ADDRESSING UGLY.
RIGHT? SAID WE DON'T, WE KNOW WHAT UGLY IS EITHER.
IN THIS CASE IT'S THE HYPOTHETICAL, IT'S THE GENERIC UGLY IS IN ABOUT HIGH OF THE BEHOLDER.
WE GOT, UH, B SO ARE WE, WE ARE ACCEPTING THAT.
WE'RE ACCEPTING, WE'RE ACCEPTING THAT.
THIS IS WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY REJECTED BECAUSE THEY HAD GONE FROM 20, THEY'VE GONE TO 10 FEET TO 20 FEET.
AND NOW THAT WE'VE JUST HAD THIS DISCUSSION, 10 FEET MAKES MORE SENSE.
SO LET'S PUT IT BACK TO 10 OR C, THIS IS FOUR FOR B WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT 10 AND THEN MAKE A 10.
BECAUSE THE POINT WAS WITH COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, IT'S HOW DO WE OPEN UP THE COMMERCIAL LOTS BE USED AND TRY TO ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S TRY TO IMPROVE THE, THAT'S OUR CONTRIBUTION TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? YES.
SEE SHE DARBY HAD SAID GET RID OF THAT.
WE SAID KEEP IT TRANSITIONAL YARDS.
SHE HAD SUGGESTED REMOVING THE WHOLE SECTION, BUT WE SAID LEAVE IT.
LET ME GIVE, CAN I CATCH UP? SO THIS WAS, IF YOU THINK OF LIKE, LIKE, UH, WHAT'S SHOT BY THE OLD HOSPITAL? IS THAT SHENANDOAH? OH YEAH.
UM, NOW THIS IS THE ONE WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WITH THE RESIDENT.
SINCE IT WAS UP AGAINST THE RESIDE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WE DID NOT WANT TO DO IT.
SO WE WANT TO ACCEPT, I THINK WE DID ACCEPT THAT AND LET THEM KNOW, LIKE IN SOME CITIES THEY'RE MOVING TOWARDS GETTING RID OF THESE TRANSITIONAL YARD PROVISIONS.
AND THAT'S A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING TECHNIQUE AND, AND REDUCING LOT SIZES AND REDUCING COSTS FOR OUR COMMERCIAL AREA.
YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST TRANSITIONAL YARD IS, UM, I'M, I'M GUESSING IT'S JUST, IT'S THE, THE YARDS BETWEEN A NON-RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT, UM, USES THAT MAY BE INCOMPATIBLE, SUCH AS THE IDEA OF A RESIDENTIAL USE NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL USE, UM, YOU WANNA HAVE MORE OF A BUFFER IN BETWEEN.
SO IT'S LIKE, UH, LIKE IF YOU HAD RESIDENTIAL ZONING NEXT TO INDUSTRIAL ZONING, YOU'D HAVE DOUBLE, TRIPLE THE SETBACKS AND THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, FROM LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD TO LIKE DEPARTMENT COMPLEX.
YOU'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS YOU'D HAVE IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL TO INDUSTRIAL.
MM-HMM
SO THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS THAT, BUT UP WITH THE COMMERCIAL WHERE THEY STACK THREE PODS HIGH HAVE TO BE
SO YOU KNOW WHERE LIKE CVS IS ON THE CORNER, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW HOW LIKE CVS THERE ON THE CORNER? YEAH.
YOU'VE GOT, YOU GO IN OFF OF JAMESTOWN, THERE'S A ROAD THAT LIKE PEACHTREE SOMETHING, THOSE HOUSES WOULD BACK UP TO ALL OF THAT COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND YOU DON'T REALLY THINK ABOUT IT 'CAUSE THERE'S A GOOD BIT OF A BUFFER THERE.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, WE DO HAVE COMMERCIAL.
THERE'S A RIGHT NEXT UPS PARKED, IT'S RIGHT BY WHERE UPS IS THE, IS BOTHERING PEOPLE LIVED IN THOSE HOUSES.
WHERE YOU'VE GOT THAT ANDRES FLEA MARKET AND YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S SOMEWHAT OF A BUFFER, BUT THEY PUT IN A GRAPEVINE, PUT GRAPE BUFFER.
SO SEE TRANSITIONAL YARDS, ALL THAT STAYS.
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YES.UM, WHAT THE SECTION IS NO LONGER THERE OR SOMETHING? NO, JUST THE MATH.
WHEN PARKING'S PROVIDED IN A PERPENDICULAR MANNER BETWEEN THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AND THE STREET, A MINIMUM PARKING SETBACK OF 10 FEET.
SO THAT'S SAYING THE PARKING, THAT'S A PARALLEL SPOT.
SO YOU'RE PARKING IN PERPENDICULAR.
IT'S WRITTEN PERPENDICULAR BETWEEN THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AND THE STREET.
THE MINIMUM PARKING SETBACK OF 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMING BACK 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO BEGIN YOUR PARKING.
AND A MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACK OF 50 FEET SHALL BE PROVIDED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE BUILDING.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THAT'S SAYING.
THIS IS TAKEN FROM OUR ORDINANCE NOW THOUGH.
SO WHERE PARKING IS PROVIDED IN A PERPENDICULAR MANNER BETWEEN THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AND THE STREET, A MINIMUM PARKING SETBACK OF 10 FEET, I'M ASSUMING WAS SAYS 10 FEET.
THAT'S FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
WHY DOESN'T THAT NOT WORK? 'CAUSE PARKING SPACES THERE MINIMUM WAS DONE BY 18.
BUT IF YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SETBACK OF 10 FEET TO PARKING STARTS, THIS IS YOUR BUILDING.
YOUR PARKING HAS TO BE PERPENDICULAR AND THIS PART OF THE PARKING SPACE HAS TO BE 18 FEET.
SO IF IT'S 10 FEET, YOUR CAR'S STICKING EIGHT FEET OUT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE WAY THAT I READ THAT, 50 FOOT, WAIT A SECOND.
SO IF YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY LINE HERE AND THE BUILDING, THEY'RE SAYING THE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE BACK 50 MM-HMM
AND IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING 'CAUSE IT SAYS IN THE STREET A MINIMUM PARKING SETBACK OF, OF 10 FEET.
SO, SO THEN IF I INTERPRET THAT, THAT MEANS THE PARKING CANNOT START OH UNTIL 10 FEET.
10 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT GIVES YOU 40 FEET FROM HERE TO THERE FOR THE PARKING.
SO I YOU GOT AN 18 FOOT PARKING SPACE.
AND THEN YOU HAD 22 THEN, THEN YOU HAD TAB A 22 FOOT TRAVEL WAY.
BUT THEN THAT'S 40, WELL YOU'RE 40 NOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO USE 10.
YOU ONLY HAVE 40 LEFT, YOU HAVE 18 AND 22.
AND THEN THE BUILDING HAS TO BE UH, FIVE FOOT.
DO WE HAVE THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE? FIVE FOOT OFF THE PARKING.
THE PARKING CANNOT COME ANY CLOSER THAN FIVE FOOT OFF THE BUILDING.
IT'S ANOTHER R OH IT'S ANOTHER R.
MINIMUM SET BACK OF FIVE FEET FROM ANY BUILDING.
SO CUT THAT SET BACK DOWN TO FIVE AND THEN WE GET OUR FIVE FEET.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M WILL THAT CONTRADICT ANYWHERE ELSE? SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU ONLY HAVE 40 FOOT TO WORK WITH
SO IF WE CHANGE THE 10 TO FIVE 18 FOR THE PARKING SPACE, 22 FOOT FOR THE TRAVEL WAY, WHAT DOES THAT EQUAL? THAT EQUALS 45 FEET.
BUT HERE WE'RE SAYING WE CUT THE 10 DOWN FIVE, WE CUT THIS DOWN TO FIVE, 10 OR FIVE FEET.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE A SETBACK OF 10 FEET FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE PROPERTY LINE TO LANDSCAPE TO DO LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.
WHAT'S THAT'D BE THE ONLY REASON FOR PARKING SETBACK SHALL BE LANDSCAPED.
THE PARKING SETBACK SHALL BE SO THIS WOULD NEED TO BE, THAT BUFFER NEEDS TO BE MOVED BACK TO FIVE FEET.
ALRIGHT THEN THAT MAKES THE MATH WORK.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT CREATING MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
OR, OR, OR WE WOULD HAVE TO SHIP THE BUILDING BACK FURTHER IF YOU WANT 10 FOOT OF LANDSCAPING, 10 FEET OF LANDSCAPING, 55.
LIKE IF YOU MOVED THAT BACK TO 55.
I'D RATHER HAVE THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER YEAH.
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PAVEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S JUST INCREASING IN OUS SURFACES.BUT ISN'T THE LANDSCAPE ESCAPING ALSO KIND OF FIT? AND THIS IS IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE HARMONIOUS WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU HAVE THE WHOLE, UH, HEAT ISLAND CONCEPT WHERE, YOU KNOW, HEAT ISLANDS, ALL THAT'S CONCRETE RAISES THE TEMPERATURE OF THE TOWN BECAUSE I, I, I MEAN I, I DON'T KNOW THIS PER FACT, SOMEBODY ELSE CAN SPEAK TO IT, BUT 10 FEET SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD HOLD TREES BETTER THAN A FIVE FOOT WATER.
SO LIKE EVEN FROM SHADE OR KIND OF FROM THE HEALTH PERSPECTIVE, IT SEEMS ESPECIALLY NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR ANYTHING BUT A BUSH.
THE THING YOU TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT IN PARKING LOTS IS TREES AND CARS AREN'T COMPATIBLE.
SO YOU JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL PLANTED.
WELL, BUT IF THEY'RE ALSO GONNA DO THE PERPENDICULAR UP CLOSER TO THIS, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE THE 22 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE TREES AND THE RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THING YOU WANT TO AVOID IS, YOU KNOW THIS HERE, RIGHT? SO YOUR CAR, YOUR PARKING SPACE IS GOING TO BE HERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
NOW YOUR BUMPER'S GOING TO COME, THE OVERHANGS GOING TO BE TEN TWO FEET HERE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO NOW IF WE DECREASE THAT TO FIVE FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE BE TOUCHING, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE CAR.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE REALLY ANY ROOM TO DO LANDSCAPING IN THIS SECTION.
SO YOUR PROPERTY LINE'S GONNA BE HERE.
SO THAT FIVE FOOT DOESN'T GIVE ROOM FOR TREES TO BE IN THAT AREA.
SO IF WE LEAVE THIS THE SAME, THEN THIS DISTANCE HERE NEEDS TO BE PUSHED OUT ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET TO THE BUILDING.
I'M CONTENT WITH DOING THE 55 FEET.
THE WAY YOU, WHEN YOU EXPLAIN IT AND DRAW IT OUT, I WANT MORE OF A VEGETATIVE CLOVER THAN I'M JUST SAYING.
IF WOULD GO DOWN TO FIVE FEET, YOUR CAR OVERHANGS CHANGE, ADD RATIONALE, YOUR CAR OVERHANGS TWO FEET.
SO NOW YOU'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE TREE TRUNK OR THE BUSH.
AND WE'VE ALL SEEN THAT WHEN PEOPLE BACK UP ON YOUR CAR.
OR YOU GET A STORM AND ONE OF THEM BRANCHES FALLS ON YOUR CAR WHILE IT'S PARKED THERE AND THAT FIXES.
SO THE MATH WOULD WORK OUT ON THAT.
YEAH, NO, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
LIKE I SAY THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD CATCH.
ALRIGHT, SOMEONE'S GOTTA RUN OVER 55.
AND THEN THE BUILDING CENTER BACK'S GONNA BE 55.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE ALL AND LEAVE THE UM, THE SAME 10 AND LEAVE THE 10.
YEAH, I THINK WE'VE GOT THE UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
IT'S JUST GOING TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OTHER COMMENTS.
BUT IF YOU CLICK ON THE COMMENT LITTLE THING NEXT TO IT, IT'LL TAKE YOU TO THAT BOX.
IT'S JUST THE WAY, ONCE YOU ADD THE COMMENT, WHEN YOU ADD COMMENT, I KNOW IT'S NOT LINED UP WITH WHERE THE COMMENT IS BEING ADDED OTHER THAN THE LITTLE BOX THAT SHOWS UP THERE.
IT'S NOT VERY, THAT'S NOT VERY FRIENDLY.
BUT THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO CLICK ON THE BOX IN ORDER TO GET TO THE RIGHT.
THE WEIRD THING IS THAT I WANT A BOX RIGHT HERE.
I HIGHLIGHTED THIS SECTION AND NOW I CAN INSERT A COMMENT.
OH, IT'S STILL GOING UP THERE THOUGH.
BUT THEN HOW, THEN WHAT? JUST, JUST ADD THE COMMENT IN THERE.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU CLICK ON THE BOX, IT TAKES YOU, OKAY.
IT'LL, YOU CLICK ON THE LITTLE BITTY BOX NEXT TO THE NEXT TO THING THE OTHER TO GET THIS 45.
THERE'S A RATIONAL BEHIND COOL THERE.
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OKAY.6.9 27 NATIONAL BUILDING COVERAGE FOR APARTMENT INSPECTIONS FOR YOU.
WHAT DO YOU CH WHAT DO YOU, THEY'RE MAKING A NOTE AS TO WHY THE MATH DIDN'T WORK.
JUST FOR, FOR HISTORY'S SAKE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'LL KEEP THE DOCU A COPY OF THE DOCUMENT WITH ALL THE COMMENTS.
SO THAT 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THEY CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WERE THINKING.
IF THE TECHNOLOGY 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD ALLOWS THEM NEED READ IT.
WELL THEY MIGHT BE, IT'LL JUST BE AN IMPLANT.
WE HAVE RUN INTO THAT PROBLEM WITH OUR GIS PERSON.
WE HAD, UH, THE GPS UNIT FOR US TO DO ADDRESSING RIGHT ON DIAL UP, WHICH GUESS ISN'T A THING ANYMORE.
OH, NOW WE GOTTA BUY NEW EQUIPMENT.
YOU READY TO MOVE NEXT WEEK? MOVE 6.9 0.7 OPEN SPACE REGULATION.
THE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH DARBY'S COMMENTS ON C ONE DELETED.
WE DELETED A, WE DELETED A MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE FOR APARTMENT STRUCTURES, EXCEEDING FLOOR MOVEMENT.
I GUESS WE, YEAH, I GUESS WE DELETED IT.
IT'S GONE BECAUSE A MAXIMUM BILL 0.9 0.7.
THAT'S PROBABLY FOR BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
MY NOTE SAYS THAT LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A AND YOU SAID DELETE IT.
I WASN'T, IT WASN'T 50%, IT WASN'T 50 A HAD CHANGED IT TO 50% AND NO, THEY CHANGED.
THAT'S DARBY THAT DARBY HAD DONE THAT.
THAT WAS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO BUILD APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND, AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING, I DON'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, THERE WAS NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
SPACE REGULATIONS KIND OF, THERE WAS NO HARDER TO SO DO WE, DO WE NEED TO KEEP A, I BELIEVE YES.
WE KEEP A, WE KEEP A WITH THE 75.
75 THAT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER BUILDING.
I'M GONNA ACCEPT THE DELETION.
ACCEPT AND, AND THE, AND THE DELETION AND THE, AGAIN, THERE THE SAME THING THAT, THAT GOES HAND IN HAND AS I, WHAT I, WHAT WHAT I HAD WRITTEN IN MY HARD COPY HERE WAS THAT WE DELETED A AND FOR B WE CHANGED IT SO THAT IT READ MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE FOR ALL STRUCTURES.
75% SO THAT A
DELETE A THAT'S I REMEMBER OUR CONVERSATION NOW SOMETIMES SOMETHING WORKS WITH PAPER AND PEN.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE A WE'RE AND THEN THE OLD B WE JUST DELETE THE WORD OTHER SO THAT IT READS MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE FOR ALL STRUCTURES.
BECAUSE TOO ONE OF THE UM, AT TOWN COUNCIL THIS WEEK RETAIL STRATEGIES IS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA BE FOR NEXT YEAR TOO.
UM, THEY HAVE BRIEFLY AND I MEAN BRIEFLY MENTIONED THAT YOU KNOW, PERMITTING REGULATIONS AND ZONING REGULATIONS CAN SOMETIMES HINDER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT.
SO I THINK THIS KIND OF HELPS.
THAT WAS ALL OUR COMMENTS FOR C ONE.
WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THIS AT ALL.
AND UM, I WENT THROUGH AND UPDATED MY, MY INPUT PER SE, THE CT TO C GUYS INPUT.
YOU WERE SO THE TEACHER'S PET
AND I DON'T EVEN GET A STEAK AND APPLE
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TRUE.I'M LEAVING THE COOKING TO YOU.
I'M STILL GRIEVING ABOUT THE ALMOND
WE, ANYWAY, THIS, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA BE TOO
SO THE C TWO, THIS IS OUR DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, AND I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE A HECK OF A TIME GETTING THE BAR TO LET YOU I WOULD, I'M JUST GONNA ASK IF THIS IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THERE'S NOT, I THINK THE BAR, THE BAR IS AN OVERLAY'S.
SO, WELL, WHAT WE HAD AGREED LAST WEEK WAS THAT WE DID GET SO FAR AS TO DELETE PROVIDED ONE OFF YEAH.
AND ACTUALLY DARBY HAD DONE THAT.
AND SO WE, I I WOULD JUST AGREE.
AND THAT JUST CONFORM THE STATE CODE.
SO WE CAN JUST ACCEPT THAT NOW.
AND THEN UNDER RESIDENTIAL, THE FIRST PARAGRAPH UNDER RESIDENTIAL TERESA PROVIDED ONE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES PROVIDED THAT WOULD JUST DELETE LESS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO, SO THAT KIND OF RELIEVES SOME OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO INSTEAD OF TWO PARKING SPACES FOR DWELLING UNIT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, I THINK THE THOUGHT WAS CUT THAT DOWN TO ONE.
AND THAT WAY YOU COULD PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY WHERE THE STREETS ARE NARROWER.
AND SOME OF THEM EXISTED BEFORE CARS DID.
WELL, HADN'T YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT JUST LAST TIME ABOUT JUST DELETE THE, THE WHOLE TALK ABOUT PARKING AND LET PEOPLE, I I WOULD LOVE IT IF WE GOT RID OF MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET.
SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT PURPLE.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO EXPAND THE PARKING, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD MEMBER FROM CHESTER STREET.
WE'RE NOT REQUIRING ANY PARKING.
MY BRAIN'S NOT WORKING THE PARKING EXHIBIT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO EXPAND IT TO ALL OF MAIN STREET AND INCLUDE CHESTER STREET.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONVERSION OF EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND OR COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD GET RID OF THAT PROVIDED ONE GIVEN THE MIX THAT WE HAVE.
I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THAT PERSONALLY THE MIX OF WHAT? MIX OF TYPE AND ANN DELETE THAT OR ADD THAT.
THIS WAS ADDED BY SOMEBODY ADDED IT.
ANN, GIVEN THE MIX THAT WE HAVE ISN'T ALL JUST COMMERCIAL.
IT'S ALL HOUSES AND CONVERTED THINGS AND PARKING IN FRONT PARKING AND BACK.
AND THIS WAS FURTHER BACK TOWARDS, UM, CROSS.
WHAT IS THAT PROSPECT THAT I WAS SITTING THERE THINKING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GONNA CONVERT THESE PARKING IS A PROBLEM, WE SHOULD CUT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT DOWN.
AND I'M THINKING WE SETTLED ON THE ONE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IF WE GOT RID OF IT ALL TOGETHER, THE RESIDENT FORTUNATE DUE TO EXTREME FOR YEAH.
BUT THAT LEVEL, SO WE'RE GONNA ACCEPT THAT.
ESPECIALLY SO WE LEAVE, SO WE LEAVE ONE.
I THINK LIKE WE GOT ONE OF THE NARROWEST ROADS DOWN IN THAT SECTION OF TOWN.
THOSE WERE FOLKS WHO DIDN'T HAVE CARRIAGE.
MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE HORSES.
THE STUFF YOU, SO WE ACCEPTED THAT.
UH, THERE'S NOTHING TO ACCEPT REALLY.
NOW I HAD ADDED THIS BASED ON, THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT C ONE ADDED UP TO THREE ABOVE THE GROUND FLOOR, SIMILAR TO OUR LAST CONVERSATION, ADDED C TWO.
AND I HAD ADDED ARCADES AND ENTERTAINMENT CENTER BECAUSE AGAIN, LOOKING AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS, THAT'S A COMMON USE IN THEIR C TWO.
AND THE TOWN NOW, THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER PROBLEM WAS LOOKING AT WHAT WAS ON DOWNTOWN STREET NOW.
AND TRYING TO BE A LITTLE MORE CONSISTENT.
DO WE HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR ARCADES SLASH OR ENTERTAINMENT CENTERS? UH, OR I FEEL LIKE I KNOW THAT WE, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET DEFINITIONS FOR EVERYTHING, BUT WE SHOULD TRY TO HAVE THE DEFINITIONS FOR AS MANY USES AS POSSIBLE.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE GONNA OUTLINE IT IN.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN DO.
I CAN GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AND ENTER AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING THAT WE OUTLINE AS A USE THAT WE STATE AS A USE HAS A DEFINITION FOR THESE.
CONNIE AND I WANTED TO SEE THAT.
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OKAY.AND I WANTED TO SEE THAT PLACE MAKER.
SPACE, SPACE, SPACE, SPACE, INCUBATOR, WHATEVER YOU CALL THAT PLACE IN THIS SECTION, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
DID I PUT THAT IN? KEEP GOING.
WHAT IS THAT AGAIN? SMALL SCALE.
NO, IT'S LIKE WHERE YOU CAN RED SPACE.
IT'S MEANT TO BE THERE, BUT NO IT'S NOT.
WE HAVE THE APPLICATION OF ARCADE.
NO, THAT'S ADDED ALPHABETICAL ORDER IN HERE.
WHAT'S THAT DEFINITION OF ARCADE? SAY IT'S PASSAGE WAY.
WHERE WOULD THAT GO? WOULD THAT COME UP HERE? UNDER, UH, BUSINESS.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I DIDN'T PUT THAT IN THERE.
WHAT IS IT CALLED? SPACEMAKER MAKER SPACES.
UM, YOU CAN RENT OUT A ROOM OF SOMEONE'S LIKE OFFICE SPACE AND PUT YOUR OFFICE THERE SPACE.
UM, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT ANN DID, WE'RE ACCEPTING SCRATCHING DEPARTMENT STORES, ADDING DAYCARE FACILITIES.
BECAUSE EVERY, LIKE THE DEPARTMENT STORES FALLS UNDER RETAIL.
BECAUSE THEY'RE SELLING MERCHANDISE.
NOT DO WE HAVE ANYTHING? ISN'T THAT CLASS THAT I JUST STRIKING WEARING APPAREL STORES? BECAUSE THAT FALLS UNDER RETAIL, SIMPLIFYING IT.
WE DO, WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED RECREATIONAL FACILITY, WHICH INCLUDES ARCADES, SWIMMING POOLS.
SO WE HAVE A RECREATIONAL FACILITY, A SPORTING FACILITY, OPEN GENERAL PUBLIC OR FEE SHALL BE INCLUDE NOT LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING.
INDOOR SKATING, BOWLING ARCADE, SWIMMING POOL, HARD AND SALT.
THERE IS A DEFINITION COVERING ARCADE FOUND UNDER IN RECREATIONAL RECREATIONAL FACILITY.
SO DO YOU WANNA KEEP ARCADE AS A SEPARATE? DOES IT GAIN ANYTHING TO HAVE A SEPARATE, UM, WHAT AN ARCADE IS.
IT DOES JUST FALL UNDER ENTERTAINMENT CENTER.
IT FALLS UNDER RECREATIONAL FACILITY.
WE HAVE A RECREATIONAL FACILITY.
WE ALREADY HAVE RECREATIONAL FACILITY.
SO WHEN WE'RE NOT PUTTING, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THERE SINCE IT'S ALREADY COVERED ON ANOTHER.
ASSEMBLY HALLS IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A CHURCH.
JUST TYPICALLY HAVE ASSEMBLY HALLS.
JUST DELETE IT AND THEN ACCEPT THE DELETION THAT WELL, THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
I I DIDN'T, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS REJECT CHANGE.
NOT ACCEPT CHANGE IN THAT CASE.
I, I, I JUST CLICKED ON THE WRONG ONE, UNFORTUNATELY.
WHAT, WHAT? IT'S GONNA PUNISH YOU.
YES, IT IS
AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING YOU SAID? ARCADE AND ENTERTAINMENT CENTERS WERE ON ONE LINE.
AND WE'RE ADDING MAKER SPACES.
YOU KNOW, WE GOT RID OF DEPARTMENT STORES.
DID YOU, DID YOU GET THAT KIND? DID WE GOT RID OF WHICH ONE? WE GOT RID OF DEPARTMENT STORES.
CAN WE SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT? YEAH.
I'M JUST HAVING A REALLY FUN TIME.
TRYING, I'M JUST, I'M LETTING, I'M, I'M MOVING ON.
UM, SO THIS, THIS WE'RE GETTING RID OF, RIGHT? MM-HMM
OH, PRIVATE STORAGE IS GOING OR KEEPING DAYCARE FACILITIES.
YES, WE HAVE SO BLESS, BLESS YOU.
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I ARE SOME, SOME THINGS LIKE DEBRA UNDERLINED AND OTHERS ARE JUST SINGLE.ALL THIS NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP.
IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A HUNDRED THINGS CHANGE IN HERE BY AH, OKAY.
MIGHT HAVE TO BE RETYPED TO CLEAN IT UP BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU POSSIBLY.
THERE, THERE'S A, I CAN SHOW YOU A TRICK ONCE WE GET IT ALL DONE IN ORDER TO PUT IT INTO A NEW DOCUMENT THAT NO NEW SPACING THING, AND THEN IT'LL REFORMAT THE WHOLE THING.
WELL, AND AND YOU CAN TAKE THE WHOLE THING AND PUT IT IN A NEW DOCUMENT.
AND THAT HELPS A LOT CLEAN UP.
BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TRYING TO, YEAH, MAYBE I NEED TO SAY IT OUT LOUD.
NO, ANOTHER ONE ADDED JUST BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T PET SHOPS BE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WHAT IS IT? WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW PET SHOPS.
PET SHOPS HAS IN TO BE SPECIAL IN IT'S ALLOWED THERE.
I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE I USE YOU NEED TO VERIFY THAT.
SHOULD CAR PET SHOULD NOT THAT.
NO, THEY, WHY SHOULD THEY NOT BE ALLOWED? BECAUSE YOU SHOULD BE VERIFYING THAT THESE ANIMALS AREN'T COMING FROM PET STORES ARE BACKYARD BREEDERS.
WELL, THAT'S CALLED REGULATIONS NOT.
IS THAT LAND USES, IS THAT A LAND USE ISSUE THAT'S REGULATED? NO, I'M SAYING PUT IT'S SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO WE CAN ASK THEM WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR ANIMALS FROM? ARE THEY BEING TREATED PROPERLY? LIKE, YEAH.
SO SHOULD I TAKE IT OUT OF HERE? LET'S MOVE IT TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, WHEN I WORKED IN FAKI COUNTY, THEY WERE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND THAT WAY WE COULD VET WHO THESE PEOPLE WERE, WHERE THE ANIMALS WERE COMING FROM.
UM, AND THEN LIKE, THEY WOULD PUT ISSUES ON THEM.
THE ZONING OFFICE OFFICE DID THAT.
SO THEY COULDN'T COME FROM WHATEVER THE LEGAL TERM FOR PUPPY BILL IS.
AND THEY COULDN'T, UM, THEY HAD TO BE COME BACK ANNUALLY FOR THEIR, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT RENEWAL.
I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE SHUT DOWN PET STORES AND OTHER SERVICE.
YEAH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
I TALK OFFLINE ABOUT THAT ALL.
SO WE'LL TAKE OUT PET SHOPS AND MOVE IT TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT UNDER COMMERCIAL.
WELL, WE CAN'T ELIMINATE THEM.
NO, I DON'T THINK THAT COULD PART OF THE PROBLEM HERE.
LIKE, IT'S NOT REALLY RESPONDING TO ME.
CAN WE BRING WHILE WE'RE TALKING TO THE IT GUYS, LET'S GIVE, GET A CABLE THAT WE JUST STRETCH KNOW OVER HERE TOO.
SO, BECAUSE THIS IS PATHETIC
YOU BE TYPING ALONG, YOU CAN WELL, THIS NO, I ACTUALLY THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
FOUR YEARS OF TRIAL ERROR
DID I MISS ANYTHING? WELL, IT WAS TIME THE ASSESSOR CAME OUTTA MY HOUSE.
NEWSPAPER AND PRINTING ESTABLISHMENTS.
WE'RE STILL UNDER BUYRIGHT USES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WHERE ARE WE? WHERE ARE WE? WHERE DO WE HAVE HOTEL MOTEL ON HERE? LODGING HOUSE AND BOARDING HOUSES? NO, IT'S DIFFERENT.
NO, IT'S RIGHT HERE UNDER MICRO LEASE.
MAKERSPACE IS THERE ABOVE MICRO BREWERY.
THEY'RE EITHER RIGHT HERE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
WE'RE GONNA LET ALAN FIX THAT.
WE CAN'T HAVE AN H AND W RESTAURANT IN TOWN.
WHAT IS THAT ANCIENT HISTORY? YOUR LIKE OLD MAN WESTERN YOU PONDEROSA ROOT BEER STAND.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH AN A W TEST DRIVE? NO, I JUST, A AND W WAS A DRIVE IN.
LITERALLY DRIVING, NOT DRIVE THROUGH.
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CAME OUT WITH ROLLER SKATES OR WHATEVER.LIKE YOU CAN GET A ROOT BEER FLOAT.
YOU STILL DO THAT IN HARRISONBURG.
IT WAS A GREAT PLACE AS A, AS A TEENAGER.
SO THEY ONLY SERVED LIKE ROOT BEER AND ICE CREAM.
OH, A AND W WAS THEIR BRAND OF ROOT BEER.
THEY BROUGHT, THEY DID FAST FOOD.
THEY PULLED UP AND THEY CAME OUT WITH A TRAY.
I NEVER GOING TO THOSE WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL.
ALSO TALKING ABOUT SERVICE STATION.
THAT ICE CREAM AUTOMOBILE SERVICE STATION.
OH, WERE THEY PUMP YOUR GAS TEXACO GUY? YEAH, WE WILL S OH, IS THERE SLOGAN? YOU GONNA MAKE ME SING IT AGAIN? I BEFORE NO, WE'RE RECORDING NOW.
ARE YOU TALKING, IS IT SOMETHING UP IN THE THING OR ARE YOU JUST TALKING DOWN? THEY'RE SCROLLING DOWN TO THE, UM, WHERE YOU AT SPECIAL USES.
DID ANYBODY WHERE I KNOW WE WERE, WE WERE DIVERGING A BIT.
DID ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE ISSUES WITH WHAT'S IN THE RIGHT USE? OKAY, SO AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY WITH COUNCIL, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR FOCUS IS GOING RETAIL STRATEGIES.
FOCUS IS GONNA BE, UM, SOFT GOODS, SIT DOWN, RESTAURANTS, FAST FOOD MOTELS, HOTELS AND HOTELS, HOTEL MOTELS.
THAT WOULD ATTRACT THE SIT DOWN RESTAURANT.
RIGHT? LIKE A CAFE THREE, THREE STAR ABOVE IS WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.
SO WE HAVE RESTAURANTS BUY RIGHT.
WITH OR WITHOUT OUTDOOR DINING.
SO I THINK WE'VE COMPLETELY ENABLED WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING AFTER.
UM, ONLY THING ELSE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST UNDER ORGANIZATIONAL MM-HMM
WE HAVE CHURCHES EXCLUDING CHURCHES WITH A GROUND LEVEL FRONTAGE.
KINDA HARD TO HAVE A LIVELY DOWNTOWN.
IF YOU'RE TAKING UP THAT SPACE OF CHURCHES OR RELIGIOUS RELIGIOU FACILITY, THEY COULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT MORE FUN.
SO WE, THIS SAYS WE DON'T WANT TAX EXEMPT, WE DON'T WANT THE CHURCH, THE CHURCH HAVING A GROUND FLOOR LEVEL.
YOU CAN BE UPSTAIRS, BUT YOU COULD TAKE DOWNTOWN SPACE WITH THAT WINDOW FRONTAGE MM-HMM
AND TURN THAT INTO A RELIGIOUS FACILITY IN A COMMERCIAL.
LIKE, HEY, LET'S GET PEOPLE HERE SPENDING MONEY.
THERE HAVE BEEN CHURCHES DO LIKE A SOUP KITCHEN OR SOMETHING TO THE CHURCH.
THE ONE ON CHESTER STREET ON GROUND LEVEL IN C TWO.
IS THAT THERE, THERE WAS ONE FOR A WHILE IN THE, UH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT NEAR WHERE I'LL MAKE, MAKE GAY.
THEY'VE GOT LOVE OR SOMETHING ON THAT.
WELL, THERE, THERE, THERE, THERE USED TO BE ONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL THERE IN THE SHOPPING.
THIS IS HISTORIC MAIN STREET, OBSTRUCT STREET.
IF YOU ALL LIKE, IF A CHURCH IS APPROPRIATE RIGHT DOWN HERE NEXT TO ALL THE BARS, ALL THE EATING ESTABLISHMENTS, THE ANTIQUE SHOPS AND LAWYERS OFFICES.
I MEAN, IF YOU THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
NO, I MEAN I HATE TO SAY IT, NOT TO BE LIKE, BUT THAT IS A, THAT IS A PRIME LOCATION FOR A BUSINESS TO PRODUCE TAX REVENUE FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO, I'M NOT SAYING COMPLETELY EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS, BUT THAT WILL ALLEVIATE THE TAX BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS.
I LIKE I'M JUST SAYING LIKE IN THEORY, WHY WOULD WE TAKE A PRIME PIECE OF REAL ESTATE PROPERTY THAT NOT JUST FROM VISUALLY OR IT'S OUR, BUT IT IS ALSO A SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THE TOWN, WHICH IN THE END ENDS UP SERVING ALL THE, THE PEOPLE MEMBERS OF THE TOWN OF
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT OUR CHURCHES THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, THEY LARGE APPLICATIONS COME IN.
'CAUSE THEY WANTED, THEY WANTED BE ON YOU COULD THE FIRST LEVEL.
YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL THEM, JUST CHANGE YOURSELF FROM A TAX EXEMPT STATUS AND WE'LL GLADLY HAVE YOU, YOU CAN MINISTER THEM
ALTHOUGH THEY WOULDN'T BE SELLING ANYTHING, SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY REVENUE.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S I I NO, I, I DELETED AS IS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A SHORTAGE OF CHURCHES HERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA MUCH.
THERE REALLY IS DEMAND FOR MAINSTREAM CHURCHES FRONT IN THOSE LITTLE, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE APPLICATIONS OR ARE A COUPLE PEOPLE COME IN AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE IT REALLY SMALL CONGREGATION TOO.
SO ONE, ARE YOU GENERATING ENOUGH IN WHAT DONATIONS TO PAY THE RENT? IT'S
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JUST BECAUSE YOUR CHURCH MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY RENT.RIGHT? WELL ANYWAY, THINK NO, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW CHURCHES, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW CHURCHES.
WE'LL, ONLY SECOND NOT ALLOWED.
CAN'T HAVE A, THEY HAVE THE FRONT ROW.
SO WE ARE, BUT THIS IS, WE THIS IS ALLOWED, IT IS NOT ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
AN ENTRANCE IN THE BACK OR AN ENTRANCE SIDE ENTRANCE.
OH, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THAT ONE ON CHESTER STREET IS BECAUSE IT'S CHESTER STREET, NOT EAST MAIN.
IT ACTUALLY SAYS IT JUST EAST MAIN.
IT'S ALL ACTUALLY JUST EAST MAIN.
HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT I CAN'T YOU ARRANGE THINK THAT MISCELLANEOUS PUBLIC, PUBLIC EVENTS ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ARE WE SURE WE RUN WELL, WE ALREADY DO.
LIKE WHEN WE CLOSE THE, THE MAIN STREET.
I WAS THINKING OF THE RESIDENTIAL.
I, I, I HAVE TO ADMIT, UNDER ACCESSORY USES STRUCTURES IN BUILDINGS.
THAT'S AGAIN, THAT'S JUST SHEDS AND STUFF IN THE BACK OF THESE BUILDINGS.
WE ADDED IN TOBACCO AND ELECTRONIC VAPES.
ALONG WITH THE ADULT BOOKSTORE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, DO WE NEED ADULT BOOKSTORES THAT DON'T REALLY EXIST ANYMORE? OH YEAH, THEY DO.
SO MAYBE WE WANNA BROADEN THE DEFINITION INSTEAD OF SAYING ENGAGE IN SALES OF MAGAZINE AND PUBLICATIONS.
CONTINUE READING, CONTINUE READING, ENGAGE IN MAGAZINES, OTHER PUBLICATIONS, DEVICES, MERCHANDISE COVERED.
SO, AND YEAH, ANOTHER WE, WE'LL SEE WHAT THE NEW LEGISLATURE DO.
WE MAY NEED TO CHANGE SOME OF THIS AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.
BUT WHAT NEW LEGISLATURE NEXT YEAR, WE GET THE NEW CONGRESS CENTER.
IF THEY PASS, WELL, THE DEMOCRAT STATE LEGISLATURE, IF STATE LEGISLATURE COMES IN THERE MAY, UM, EXPANSION OF THE MARIJUANA LAWS.
IF THEY GET THAT, THAT MAY NEED TO BE CHANGED AGAIN LATER ON.
IF IT HAPPENS AT ALL, YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO PRACTICE.
GOOD TREATMENTS TO MAKE FOR US.
SO NOW WE STRUCK THESE, THESE THINGS FOR RESIDENTIAL.
WHERE ARE WE? RESIDENTIAL? YEAH, THIS IS C TWO.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWING C RESIDENTIAL AND C TWO.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA LEAVE THE TITLE RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'LL BE BLANK UNDERNEATH THERE.
SEE YOU'RE NOT, 'CAUSE THAT OTHER STATEMENT IN THE BY RIGHT.
THAT CONVERSION OF COMMERCIAL.
RESIDENTIAL INTO GREATER NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS.
DOES THAT NOT KIND OF ENCOMPASS THESE APARTMENTS? WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT THESE APARTMENTS? JOHN, DON.
THIS IS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU ARE GONNA BE ALLOW A CONVERSION OF SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY THERE, BUT NOT BILL.
IS THAT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? THAT'S ALREADY IN OUR CODE.
THIS IS JUST REMOVING THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMEBODY COMING IN AND DOING APARTMENTS DOWNTOWN.
LIKE ONLY APARTMENTS WITH NO RETAIL ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
'CAUSE THE THREE ARE MORE ABOVE THE BUILDINGS IS ALREADY REQUIRED BY WRIGHT.
BUT SO, BUT WE DON'T WANT NEW APARTMENT BUILDING.
YOU DON'T WANT JUST AN APARTMENT BUILDING.
WE ARE GONNA LEAVE IT AS IT LEAVES THE CATEGORY.
JUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF RIGHT.
SO THEN WE'RE GONNA DELETE THE AUTOMOBILE GARAGES.
AUTOMOBILE AND TRUCK SALES SLOTS ARE, WE'RE REMOVING THAT.
AND WHAT ABOUT PET SHOPS? NO, WE JUST MOVED THAT HERE BY SPECIAL.
AND WHAT, AND WE DELETED ALREADY BEEN BREAKFAST ADJACENT.
WE JUST MOVED IT TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM BUY RIDE.
BUT I MEAN, DOES THAT GO INTO, IT GOES INTO COMMERCIAL? YEAH.
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ALL RIGHT.AND YOU'RE RENEWED AND LODGING HOUSES IN THE BOARDING HOUSES.
THE ONLY THINGS THAT DOWNTOWN IS TO BE DOWNTOWN.
NOT, UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? THE PET SHOPS AND THEN IT SAYS WITHOUT BOARDING KENNEL BECAUSE WE REQUIRE S ANYWAYS FOR BOARDING KENNEL.
SO DO WE WANNA KEEP THAT IN THERE WITHOUT BOARDING KENNELS? WE WANNA KEEP THAT BOARDING IN THERE OR JUST LEAVE IT AS PET SHOPS? WE, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
BECAUSE UH, 'CAUSE BECAUSE KENNEL'S WE REQUIRE IT BY SUP.
WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL WORDS OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE PET SHOPS OUT OF THIS SECTION OF C TWO AND MAYBE IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, MOVE IT TO SPECIAL USE DEPARTMENT IN THE C ONE, C3.
JUST IT'S NOT PET SHOPS ARE NOT ALLOWED DOWNTOWN.
'CAUSE I'M ALSO THINKING, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT LOUD MUSIC, YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE THINGS THAT MAYBE AREN'T COMPATIBLE WITH HAVING ANIMALS.
CUSTOMERS WALKING UP AND ON THE SIDEWALK.
YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT, SIR.
OKAY, SO WE MOVED TO C1 AND C3.
SO SPECIAL USE PERMITS WITHIN THE C ONE.
WELL LET, LET'S GO AHEAD AND FIX THAT WHILE WE'RE AT IT.
AND WE'LL GO BACK TO C WHAT THAT IS.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO UP TO C ONE.
LET'S PUT IT IN SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WOULD THAT WORDING WITHOUT BOARDING KENNELS BE THERE? IT SHOULD BE A SEPARATE WELL, IT WOULD BE IN THE DEFINITION.
WHAT IS IT UNDER MISCELLANEOUS OR UNDER COMMERCIAL? COMMERCIAL.
SO PET STORES WOULD BE A SEPARATE USE.
AND THEN WE NEED TO DEFINE PET SHOP.
UH, AND WE WILL, UM, AND GET RID OF THE WITHOUT BOARDING KENNEL.
AND THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF CUT SHOPS, WE STATE WHY IT'S THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THAT AND THE KENNEL.
SO, AND IT'S LIKE A STORE, LIKE A RETAIL STORE SELLING PET PRODUCTS IS DIFFERENT THAN A PLACE SELLING ACTUAL ANIMALS.
DO WE ALLOW PET SHOPS NOW? YEAH.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO TO C3 I COMMERCIAL SPECIAL USE THOUGH.
ALWAYS SPECIAL USE, CORRECT? YES.
ANOTHER THING HERE THAT WE NEED TO ADD A PET SHOP,
WE, I, I REMEMBER I DID A SPECIALTIES THERE FOR A PUPPY SHOP.
SHE SOLD PUPPIES THAT GOT RAID.
UM, THEY HAVE PET GROOMING, PET SUPPLY STORE IN THERE, NOT PET SHOP.
SO IT'S LIKE, IT'S ENGAGED IN THE SALE OF THE, LIKE, DOGS, CATS, FARMERS, RETAIL.
SERIOUSLY OF SUFFERING ANIMALS.
IT STILL OVERLAPS A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT OFFERING GOODS AND SERVICES RELATED TO HOUSEHOLD PETS INCLUDING GROOMING, BATHING, TRAINING, OVERNIGHT FORWARDING OR VETERINARY SERVICES ARE NOT INCLUDED UNLESS SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED ELSEWHERE IN THIS ORDER.
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IF THOSE ACTIVITIES ARE FINE, YES.IT'S THE BUYING A LITTER OF PUPPIES FROM A PUPPY MILL AND THEN SELLING.
WE'LL HAVE A SEPARATE THOUSAND DOLLARS TO ANYBODY THAT WALKS IN.
WELL I, WELL I, I'LL PUT A NOTE IN HERE TO ADD THAT.
YEARS AGO WE HAD A LITTER OF KITTENS AND WHEN EVERYBODY TO LEAVE THE HOUSE, WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THEY WOULDN.
THEY DIDN'T BUY THEM BUT DAYS ABLE TO DONATE THEM.
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY EAR MICS.
'CAUSE THEY'D ALWAYS BEEN IN THE HOUSE.
SO IT WAS A HAPPY SOLUTION TO IT.
UM, DO WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR THAT? NO.
PET SHOP? NO, NOT, NOT SPECIFICALLY PET SHOP, NO.
IS THERE ONE IN THE BOOK FOR PET SHOP? UH, WE GOT THE BOOK IF WE CAN USE AND IF THAT WORKS, LET'S JUST GO DO IT.
WE CAN RESEARCH, I CAN RESEARCH THE
I STILL HAVE THE REPORT THAT I DID ON IT FROM MY HOME HERE.
BUT WE DUG INTO LIKE WHERE SHE GOT THE PUPPIES FROM THE PAST INDISCRETIONS OF THE PEOPLE THAT THE PUPPIES WERE PURCHASED FROM.
THAT'S NOTED THAT LAUREN WILL PROVIDE
I'M GONNA PUT IN MY LITTLE LIST HERE TOO.
MORNING WILL PROVIDE AND KEEP A RUNNING TODO LIST FOR ME.
SO NOW WE'RE GOING UP, WE'RE GOING BACK TO C TWO.
SEE WE SAID ANIMAL HOSPITAL, ANIMAL KENNEL.
WHERE WERE WE? WE WERE BACK IN C TWO.
UM, UH, I THINK WE'RE, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AREA REGULATIONS.
SO I SEE THAT FOR THE MINIMUM DISTRICT SIZE, IT WENT FROM 10 ACRES TO FIVE ACRES.
EXCEPT I BELIEVE, EXCEPT, YEP.
ON AREA REGULATIONS FOR C TWO SECTION SIX POINT 10.4.
BY THE WAY, IN THE FINAL VERSION OF THIS DOCUMENT, WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT IN THERE.
THE ONE, THE REFERENCES OF WHERE IT USED TO BE.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE A CLEAN DOCUMENT AND THEN WE'LL KEEP THE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE REFERENCES.
BUT NO, THOSE WILL BE REMOVED.
THOSE WILL BE REMOVED IN THE FINAL.
YOU WON'T BE US TO WORRY ABOUT REMOVING THOSE OR LEAVE THAT TO YOU FOR THE FINAL EDIT.
WE CAN STAFF AND REMOVE THOSE IN THE FINAL.
SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO LEAVE THEM IN SOMEWHERE SO YOU CAN YEAH, BUT ONCE WE, ONCE COUNSEL ADOPTS THIS, ALL THAT'S GONNA GO AWAY.
THE THING IS YOU'LL HAVE TO KEEP SOME DOCUMENT WITH THAT REFERENCE ON THAT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU LOOK BACK ON YEAH.
WE'LL KEEP IT, WE'LL KEEP LIKE RIGHT.
THE DOCUMENT IS A REFERENCE, BUT THE MAIN DOCUMENT THAT WHEN PEOPLE GO ON OUR TOWN CODE LINK AND CLICK INTO MUNI CODE.
BUT WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A DOCUMENT WITH THIS REFERENCE ON THERE.
IS THAT RIGHT? SHOULD I DO A SAVE AS OR JUST HIT SAVE ON THIS DOCUMENT? YEAH.
OH, SAVE AS UNDER SOME OTHER NAME.
JUST MAYBE PUT A ONE IN FRONT.
UH, WITH, UH, THEN I'LL JUST, JUST PUT WITH CHANGES OR SOMETHING.
HOW ABOUT RE REB OR REVISION? SURE.
IS THAT GOOD? YEP, THAT'S FINE.
AND CON CONNIE, WOULD YOU LIKE THE LAST TIME WE'RE ALL DONE, YOU KNOW, SEND MAIL, MAIL IT OUT, THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT ITSELF OUT? NOT, NOT JUST THE REFERENCE BECAUSE I CAN'T, CAN'T EDIT IT FROM WHEN IT'S EDIT WHEN YOU JUST PUT IT UP THERE.
YOU JUST, YOU WANT THE WORD DOCUMENT.
YOU WANT THE WORD DOCUMENT? MM-HMM
HOW DO I PUT TRACK CHANGES BACK ON AGAIN? I AM REVIEWING.
NO, IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T TURN 'EM OFF.
IT DOESN'T TURN OFF UNTIL YOU TELL IT TO TURN OFF AND ACCEPT EVERYTHING.
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BUILDING COVERAGE FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES.75% FOR OPEN SPACE AND HEIGHT.
CORE REGULATIONS HERE ARE WE AT NOW? 10 POINT.
WHERE ARE YOU? SIX POINT 10.5.
OPEN SPACE AND HEIGHT REGULATIONS THAT C THAT SIX POINT 10.4 C MINIMUM DISTRICT SIZE WHERE WE DID THAT 10 TO FIVE.
DID YOU ACCEPT THAT? SORRY, I MISSED THAT.
THERE WAS NO CHANGES TO THE OPEN SPACE WAS NO, NO, THAT WAS FINE.
SO WE AT SIX SECTION, SIX POINT 10.6 FRONT FRONTAGE AND YARDS.
THERE ARE NO FRONTAGE OR YARD REQUIREMENTS EXCEPT THIS IS THE SAME THING.
JUST LIKE BEFORE IN THE OTHER, WITH THE TRANSITIONAL YARDS.
AND WE WERE SAYING REJECT THAT AND, AND LEAVE ORIGINALLY TEXT IN THERE.
WELL, WITH THIS ONE, IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA GET, IF YOU'RE GONNA GET RID OF TRANSITIONAL YARDS, THIS IS THE DISTRICT TO DO IT IN.
UM, BUT THIS IS COMPLETELY UP TO YOU.
KEEPING THE ESTABLISHED NOT SET BACK.
I, I GUESS IT COMES INTO WHEN YOU GET RID OF IT.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW WOULD'VE CONTINUE TO BE GRANDFATHERED? 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ONE CASE SOMEONE IN TOWN THAT SOMEONE WOULD BE DISADVANTAGED BY BY REMOVING THIS REQUIREMENT.
NO, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU WOULD DO IF YOU GOT RID OF THIS IS THAT YOU COULD BRING SOME NONCONFORMING PROPERTIES INTO COMPLIANCE THEY NEED.
UH, WELL, SO THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT THAT EXISTING RESIDENCE.
NO, THERE'S DOWNSIDE WITH REMOVING THESE HERE IN THE SEATS.
BECAUSE I MEAN, SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ARE MAYBE 10 FEET BACK, FIVE WALL.
THAT WAS THE COMBINATION OF WHAT WASN'T SURE OF.
AND THEY PLAY WELL TOGETHER HERE.
SO THE USES WE HAVE DOWNTOWN PLAY JUST FINE WITH RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S NOT SO I'M GONNA ACCEPT THE DELETION.
SO THAT CHANGE, THERE WAS TWO BULLET POINTS UNDER THAT SECTION FOR A AND B.
MOVING ON TO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WERE ANY CHANGES FOR A B, CDE, WHICH IS FARMER'S MARKETS.
UNLESS, UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE HAS SOMETHING.
UM, NOW ARE WE READY TO MOVE INTO C3? SUPER EXCITING.
SO C3, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS DISTRICT IS CAR ORIENTED.
THERE'S NOTHING
SO I HAVE, I ADDED EDUCATION CORRIDORS INTO THE TOWN.
THIS IS INTENDED FOR AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED USES.
SO THE ONLY PLACE IN TOWN WE HAVE C3 IS UP BY 66.
SO THIS IS DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL USES WHERE YOU HAVE TO DRIVE TO GET THERE.
YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT WALKING FROM ONE COMMERCIAL USE TO ANOTHER.
IT'S ORIENTED TO PEOPLE COUGHING OFF THE OFF 66, GETTING WHAT THEY NEED AND DONE.
SO LIKE IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY IN TOWN, UH, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE OLD BB AND T USED TO BE? MM-HMM
WHICH GRADE THE NAMES OF THE STREET.
SO C3 DOESN'T START UNTIL LIKE THE DOUBLE BRIDGES.
IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGES EVEN.
AND MOST OF IT'S REALLY NOT ON THAT PHONE.
YOU'VE GOT BOX, ISN'T THERE QUARRY THERE? THERE WAS THAT THERE.
MCDONALD'S? YEAH, WHEN MCDONALD'S, THAT GYM IS YEAH.
YOU'RE ALWAYS LIKE, IS IT OPEN, IS IT NOT OPEN? IS IT A BARBECUE JOINT CHANGE HANDS NOT TOO LOUD EITHER.
WE CLOSED FOR A WHILE THEN CHANGE.
THAT'S, UM, ANYWAY, AND WE'RE GONNA ADD CHAIN, RESTAURANTS, COFFEE SHOPS AND CONFERENCE CENTER.
WELL YOU WERE TRYING TO BE THE TEACHER'S PET NOW.
I WAS JUST MAKING SURE I WAS RIGHT.
SO YOU COULD IS USED THEN IN ORDER FOR ANY OF THAT TO BE BUILT, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO ACQUIRE A GOOD BIT OF PROPERTY AND REZONE IT.
THERE'S NOT A SINGLE PARCEL HERE THAT'S LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE, ACCOMMODATE YOU, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IT, IT IS JUST COMMON IN OTHER DISTRICTS.
IT'S SO STRANGE THAT MOST OF THE C3
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THAT WE HAVE IS ADJACENT TO AGRICULTURALLY ZONED PROPERTY.SO SO YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE CHAIN, RESTAURANTS AND COFFEE SHOP? NO, I THINK SO.
UM, NEW CONFERENCE CENTERS, GAS STATION, PART OF IT EVENTUALLY, IN MY VIEW, EVENTUALLY THAT THERE APARTMENT MAY BE APPROPRIATE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT, BUT C3 POTENTIALLY WILL, UM, EXPAND.
THIS AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A THOUGHT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION WITH I'LL DO THOSE.
LIKE IF YOU'RE GONNA DO ANY KIND OF HOUSING HERE, I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE APARTMENTS.
BUT THAT WOULD BE UNDER, BUT THAT'S UNDER SPECIAL USE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THERE WAS NO APARTMENTS BECAUSE YOU PERMIT HOTELS.
UM, AND WHICH, WHICH MAKES POTENTIAL SENSE RIGHT THERE OFF THE INTERSTATE.
DO WE WANNA ADD, MAKE HER SPACES HERE? BIGGER PARLORS AND
THERE ALREADY IS A GYM UP THERE, RIGHT? IS THAT THERE'S A GYM.
WHAT'S THAT INCLUDED UNDER FITNESS.
WE DON'T HAVE A FITNESS CABINET.
OH, RECREATION SUPPOSED TO BE FUN.
YOU WERE ATHLETIC AND, BUT UH, SO THIS IS ALL BY, RIGHT? SO FOR RESIDENTIAL BY RIGHT.
AND THEN TO SPECIAL USE DOESN'T HAVE, OKAY, LET ME JUST FINISH HERE.
RETAIL STORES, OFFICE BUILDINGS.
SO WE WANTED TO ADD MAKER SPACES.
SO THAT LMN OP MAKER SPACES, RIGHT? MAKER SPACES.
THESE ARE ALL RED BECAUSE NEIL MADE THEM.
YES, BUT WE HAVE ALAN, WHY DID I SAY NEIL? 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE NAME.
WELL, WE HAVE RETAIL STORES IN THERE.
IT'S PROBABLY OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
DO WE WANNA SAY RETAIL STORES WITHOUT MAKING THEM LARGE, WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS IN JULY? YOU CAN JUST SAY RETAIL.
I THINK WE CAP THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON RETAIL STORE.
BUT LARGE RETAIL STORES LIKE YOUR WALMARTS, YOUR TARGETS.
I MEAN I, MY THOUGHT WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE A WALMART'S ON A DIFFERENT SCALE THAN, SO ARE WE LEAVING OUR RETAIL STORES? OKAY.
IS IT TARGET IN TOWN TARGET'S? NO.
ALL THAT TARGET'S OUTTA TOWN ALREADY OUT OF TOWN.
THEN WE DO NEED ANOTHER GROCERY STORE.
GROCERY STORES? WE ONLY HAVE ONE WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS, BUT OUR MARKET AREA, IT'S NOT, THEY DON'T LOOK AT MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE LIVING? HOW MUCH ARE THEY MAKING? WHAT'S THEIR EDUCATION LEVEL TO DETERMINE HOW MANY GROCERY STORES WE NEED.
SO TECHNICALLY WE HAVE MARTINS, ALDI, WALMART, AND TARGET.
WE JUST APPROVED THE FIRST NEW LIKE, HOUSING SUBDIVISION, LIKE MAJOR ONE.
WE'RE NOT, NOT HOUSES QUICKLY.
WE'RE NOT ATTRACTED ANOTHER GROCERY CHAIN RIGHT NOW.
LEMME ALSO LOOK AT AVERAGE INCOMES.
WE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T MEET THE DEMOGRAPHICS FOR I THINK THE KIND OF STORES THAT PEOPLE GRASP FOR.
THAT'S WHY WE, WE NEED, IN OUR INDUSTRIAL SECTIONS, WE NEED TO BRING IN MORE HIGHER PAYING JOBS.
I WANT TO GET TRADER JOE'S, WHICH I KNOW WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
TRADER JOE'S I THINK CAN BE PICKY.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TRADER JOE'S.
WELL THEY, I HEARD THAT TRADER JOE'S AND ALL THESE WILL RARELY BE IN THE SAME LOCATION, BUT I'VE HEARD OF THEM BEING IN THE SAME, BUT THEY SAID RARELY.
BUT DOES THAT HAPPEN? GOOD LUCK FINDING TRADER JOE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR THEM TO HAVE A TRADER JOE.
IT'S VERY, VERY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY LOOK AT FOR THE TRADER JOE'S.
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SAUCE.OH, IS IT REALLY? AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION WITH LIKE MASTER'S DEGREES OR PHD.
SO THERE'S ALL THESE METRICS THAT THEY HIT.
LIKE, UM, WHEN THEY'RE PRESENTING TO COUNCIL THE OTHER NIGHT, UH, RETAIL STRATEGIES IS SAYING LIKE WHOLE FOODS, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE INCOME IN THE SIX FIGURES.
LIKE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION HAS TO MAKE IT OVER SIX FIGURES AND HAVE A CERTAIN EDUCATION LEVEL.
BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE DON'T CARE MUCH ABOUT PRICES.
THEY'LL SPEND 20 A LOAF OF BREAD IF YOU CALL ORGANIC OR WHATEVER.
BUT LIKE THAT, LIKE, I MEAN THE ONLY REASON I WANTED TO TRADER JOE'S OR WHOLE FOODS IS BECAUSE YOU CAN GET TONIC WATER WITHOUT, I JUST POINT SARAH VERY REASONABLY PRICED.
I HAVE YOU CAN GET, YOU GET A CHANCE.
WATCH, WATCH THE LAST TOWN COUNCIL WORKING SESSION.
YEAH, IT'S RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING.
NO, I, I YOU CAN GET, BECAUSE AMAZON AND WHOLE FOOD OWNS WHOLE FOODS.
SO I CAN GO ON AMAZON AND BUY THE WHOLE FOODS.
'CAUSE YOU CAN GET A SIX PACK OF, OF TONIC WATER, REGULAR SIZED CAN FOR 3 99 LIKE HERE TO BUY THAT QUEUE.
YOU'RE LUCKY YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT YOUR MAGNIFYING GLASS TO SEE THE JAR, THE BOTTLE.
AND FOR FOUR OF 'EM IT COSTS SEVEN.
BACK TO AND TRADER JOE'S ARE OWN BY BROTHERS.
I WAS JUST READING ABOUT THAT.
MOVING ON THOSE TWO BROTHERS AND THE ALDI THAT WE KNOW IS NOT THE ALDI THAT ALSO OWNS TRADER JOE'S.
BUT NOT ALDI, BUT THE OTHER ALDI.
OR LIKE THE BRIDGES BEING A BARRIER.
PEOPLE DON'T WANNA GO OVER THE BRIDGES TO GO SHOPPING.
SOUNDS LIKE THE WAY I FELT WHEN I LIVED IN VIRGINIA AND I WAS LIKE, I'M NOT CROSSING THE RIVER TO GO TO MARYLAND TO GET THIS.
LIKE THERE WAS THAT, THAT VISIBLE BOUNDARY BETWEEN MARYLAND AND VIRGINIA.
YOU KNOW, LIKE NOT CROSSING THAT RIVER.
AND THIS ZONE, THIS C3 IS OUR BUFFER BETWEEN US AND THE COUNTY.
WAS I SUPPOSED TO ADD SOMETHING TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT? SAME RESTAURANTS AND CREDIT SHOPS.
MAKE HEDGE SPACES MAKE BIGGER SPACE.
AND THAT DID ADD THAT WE'RE APARTMENTS BY RIGHT.
SPECIAL USE IN YOUR APARTMENT.
WE PUT APARTMENTS UNDER RESIDENTIAL.
THEN WE PUT APARTMENTS TO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
SO PUT JUST APARTMENTS, APARTMENT AND THEN PARENTHETICALLY COURTESY OR WHATEVER WE DO THERE.
SUBJECT TO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
NELLY TO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
WHAT SECTION OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ARE UNDER RIGHT NOW? IT'S UNDER A 1 75 OR 12 OR ONE? 13.
CONNIE, DOES THAT LOOK LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE? CAN YOU WRITE 1 75 1 13 JUST SO WE CAN REFERENCE IT BACK? I DIDN'T PUT IN PERIN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE USED THE PERIN.
BUT I DON'T, PROBABLY DOESN'T MATTER.
NO, BUT JUST SO THAT WE KNOW, JUST TIE THE TWO NUMBERS TOGETHER.
HAVE WE LOOKED AT THIS OR THE MINIMUM LOSS? NOT WITH, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS NO AC E EVEN THE, LET'S SEE, MINIMUM LOT SIZE ONE ACRE.
UM, YEAH, NO E EVEN DARBY DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO GO ALL THIS.
JULIE? UM, IS THAT, ARE WE LEAVING AT ONE ACRE? LEAVE IT.
UM, ACCESSORY BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES.
WE WANT THE PRINCIPAL BUILDINGS TO BE LOWERED THAN IN TOWN.
DIDN'T WE? DIDN'T WE JUST MAKE PLACE? THIS IS C3.
NOW THAT'S NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO, UM, I THINKING FITS YOUR GROWTH.
I MEAN, IF THIS BECOMES THE NEXT BIG AREA, IF IT STARTS GETTING DEVELOPED,
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25 PEOPLE BECOMES, THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE LOTS.THERE'S NOT, I MEAN SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO REZONE AND IT WOULD'VE TO MAKE SENSE.
OH, BEFORE THE END OF TOWN LINE? YEAH.
WHERE IS THE TOWN LINE UP THERE? RIGHT AT THAT HAMPTON INN HOTEL WHERE THE INTERCHANGE IS OFF OF 66.
MCDONALD'S HAMPTON TOWN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 66 OR 66 ALREADY.
OTHER SIDE IS NOT IN ALL ONE IS THE OTHER SIDE.
A LITTLE FARTHER UP ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
SOMEBODY DREW SOME WEIRD LINES WHEN THEY DECIDED WHAT TO BRING INTO TOWN UP THERE.
THEY TOOK PARTS A LOT, HAD ENTIRE PARCELS.
NONE OF IT MAKES SENSE, REALLY.
UM, SO WHERE ARE WE AT? JUST, ANYWAY, I'M JUST GONNA ASK THE QUESTION.
UM, SO WE JUST ENCOUNTERED WHERE WITH THIS WHOLE, WITH WHEN WE HAD PARKING ISSUES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
THESE ARE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES.
SO I'M THINKING THAT THERE'S A WAY IN WHICH PARKING IS ADDRESSED COMPLETELY SEPARATELY.
SO WE DON'T LIKE, LIKE I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE NEEDED TO CHANGE SOME OF THIS TO A LIKE MAKE IT 55 FEET INSTEAD OF 50.
BUT IF PARKING IS ADDRESSED SEPARATELY, THEN THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA RUN INTO THE SAME QUOTE UNQUOTE MATH ISSUE.
SO I THINK THESE SETBACKS ARE A LITTLE MUCH, BUT NO C TRANSITIONAL YARD.
THERE'S A NOTE HERE THAT SAYS FOR C FOUR TRANSITIONAL YARD SHALL BE LANDSCAPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH 1 48 44 B.
AND THE COMMENT IS THIS SECTION OF 1 48 DOES NOT EXIST.
IT'S THE LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION MANUAL.
IT'S NOT 1 48 44 OR WHATEVER'S THERE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE WRONG THING.
SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THE CORRECT.
I KNOW IT'S JUST CALL IT THE LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION MANUAL.
DO YOU WANT ME TO PUT THAT IN THERE? YEAH.
AND YOU HAD FOUND THAT IN A COUPLE PLACES AND IT'S IN, IT COMES, IT'S, IT IS.
I CAUGHT IT ONE PLACE BUT NOT HERE.
FIND AND REPLACE AND JUST LANDSCAPE.
WHAT'S IT CALLED? PRESENTATION MANUAL.
IT'S, IT WAS LIKE THAT TYPEWRITER BOOK.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE TITLE OF IT IS WHAT I'M THINKING.
THAT'S ALL THE LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION.
WE WERE CAUGHT IN ANOTHER PLACE.
IT WAS LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION PLANTING GUIDE.
DO PRESERVATION PLANTING GUIDE.
LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION AND PLANTING GUIDE.
JOHN PRESERVATION PLANTING GUIDE.
AND WHO'S THE PUBLISHER? JOHN, IF LANDSCAPE IS PRESERVATION THE TOWN FRONT.
UM, OPEN CITY REGULATIONS ARE GOOD.
UM, NORMAN STANDARDS DOESN'T LOOK THERE ARE ANY PROPOSED CHANGES THERE? LIGHTING NO GOOD.
UH, AGAIN, UH, HOLD ON A SECOND.
FRONT ROYAL, UH, TITLE IS, BUT THIS WHERE, HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
BUT INSTEAD PUT IN FRONT RAIL PRESERVATION AND PLANTING GUIDE.
LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION AND PLANTING.
GOD, NOW THAT I ACCEPTED THAT PREVIOUS CHANGE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS.
THE, THE ONE THAT I CHANGED THE LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION.
PROVISION OF FRONT ROYAL LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION ALL.
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SO WHERE WAS IT? WHERE WAS THE OTHER PLACE? IT WAS AT? IT WAS ON UM, WHAT PAGE NUMBER? THE LAST LINE BEFORE E THE LAST LINE BEFORE EVERYTHING'S CHANGED FOR ME ALREADY.SO IT IS UNDER, UH, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
SO YOU HAVE A OH, SO IT'S AFTER WHAT WE JUST DID? YES.
AND IF YOU UNDER D LANDSCAPING.
SO IT'S ABSOLUTELY CHANGE THERE.
BE 80% SOME KID COME FIND THE TREE.
THERE'S SOMEBODY WORKING IN THE YARD.
AND THAT MY KNOWING IF THE KID HAS TO COME WORK IN THE YARD, CAN I BORROW YOUR SLIPPERS? CLIMB UP THE TREE.
SOME BOYS DON'T HAVE ANY SENSE OF THOUGHT.
I ALSO TOLD HIS MOTHER HE WASN'T MY TREE FOR A LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION IMPLANT GUIDE.
WANT TO GET PICKY? I THINK THE TOWN YEAH.
THAT'S PRESERVATION PLANNING GUIDE THE TOWNS CHANGE ONE AND WE'LL CHANGE THE OTHER ONE.
PROVISIONS WITHIN THE PROVISIONS OF RIGHT.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS.
NOW THAT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS.
I DIDN'T READ THAT OF THE TOWNS.
JUST CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT THAT PURPLE SO I KNOW TO GO BACK AND CHANGE ALL OF THAT.
IF YOU DO, IF YOU GET THIS OUT, GET THIS OUT IMMEDIATELY, I'LL GET IT CHANGED FOR YOU.
YEAH, JUST HIGHLIGHT IT AND I'VE GOT IT ON MINE AND I'VE GOT IT WRITTEN ON THE HARD COPY AS WELL.
SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE CONFIGURED COPY IS.
JUST SEND OUT AFTER THIS MEETING.
WHAT ELSE? DO WE HAVE CHANGES? AND NOW WE'RE ON MCD MIXED CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT.
I THOUGHT WE WERE STOPPING WITH NO, THAT WAS, THAT'S JUST EXTRA.
IT WAS IN THIS DOCUMENT, BUT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING.
AND THEN THE NEXT THING IS THE HOTEL MOTEL THING REAL QUICK.
NEVERMIND, NEVERMIND, NEVERMIND.
SO WHAT, ARE WE COMING BACK TO MCDS? YES.
DID WE DO THE INDUSTRIAL? WE'LL DO ALL.
YEAH, THAT WAS, IT WAS JUST IN THERE.
I JUST GRABBED TOO MANY SECTIONS.
OKAY, SO NOW WE JUST, NOW WE GET TO TALK ABOUT HOTELS.
COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THEN WE GET, SO WE BRING UP THE TEXT OF THE HOTEL.
DO WE DO I HAVE THAT? YOU SAVED THAT, RIGHT? I OH, YOU HAVE? YEP.
DO I'M GONNA CLOSE THIS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SAVED.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN IT SHOULD BE, UH, THE, THE DEFINITION OR THE STANDARD.
NOT, LET'S START WITH THE STANDARDS.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE HARD PART.
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THAT ONE.AM I CORRECT? THIS IS NOT THE VERSION THAT I WAS LOOKING AT.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, YES OR NO.
LET'S, WE'RE GONNA CORRECT THIS ONE TO MAKE THINGS WORK.
OKAY, SO JUST LET'S FIX A COUPLE THINGS HERE AS WE GO THROUGH MOTELS.
MOTELS, THE TOWN MANAGER, WE WANT TO CHANGE.
WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS AND WE'LL GET THINGS CAUGHT UP.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE THE PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR OR THE DESIGNEE, NOT THE TOWN MANAGER PLANNING.
SO, SORRY, WHAT DID YOU WANT IT TO BE? IT COULD BE THE TOWN, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR OR THEIR DESIGNEE.
SO GET RID OF THIS TOWN MANAGER CHAIR.
RIGHT? OR OR, OR DEPUTY ACTUALLY.
OR, OR TO MATCH THE STATE OR DEPUTY MATCH THE STATE STATUTE.
CAN YOU TELL ME AGAIN WHAT YOU SAID? THE, THE TOWN MANAGER PLANNING AND ZONING.
IT'S GONNA BE THE NO, IT'S GONNA BE THE PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR OR THEIR DEPUTY OR NOT THE TOWN MANAGER.
CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE? WILL DIRECTOR IS SINGULAR THERE.
SO CAN WE MAKE HIM MATCH ADJECTIVES? AND, AND SO IT NORMALLY WOULD SAY PLANNING IS ZONING DIRECTOR OR HE'S DEPUTY IS HER, IS HER BE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR DEPUTY.
DO YOU WANT ME TO GET RID OF DO YOU WANT ME TO CHANGE IT? I DON'T.
WHY IT'S NOT TRACKING PAGES TELL ME IS I'M NOT GONNA BE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S TURNED ON IN THAT DOCUMENT.
I, I, I THOUGHT IT BECAUSE THIS IS A DIFFERENT DOCUMENT, NOT CHANGES.
AND THIS IS A ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, SO WHATEVER.
SO IT'S OKAY TO PUT THIS HERE.
WE'RE NOT PREFERENCES ON THE ADMINISTRATOR OR DEPUTY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
YOU WANT TRACK CHANGES OR NO? IF YOU CAN TURN 'EM ON, FINE.
JUST, JUST ZONING ADMINISTRATOR? NOPE.
NOT PLANNING ADMINISTRATOR OR TO DEPUTY.
AND THEN, UH, JUST THE ZONING OR YEAH, TAKE OUT THE PLANNING.
AND SO IT JUST SAYS ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR DEPUTY.
WHERE DO I CHANGES? WHERE THAT UP IN REVIEW? UNDER VIEW.
YOU GO ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE RIGHT.
DO YOU SEE TRACK CHANGES VIEWING? YEAH, I SEE TRACK CHANGES.
THEN HIT CLICK ON THE DOWN ARROW.
TRACKING, TRACKING TRACK CHANGES.
OR DEPUTY SHALL HAVE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE ALL PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE.
WHAT DID YOU SAY? DEPUTY FROM CAPITAL LAWS.
WE'RE TO FIX THE TWO THINGS HERE.
WE GOTTA FIX A COUPLE OF THINGS.
YOU GET THAT? ALL OF NUMBER ONE, DELETE ALL THE NUMBER ONE.
ALL OF THIS, ALL OF NUMBER ONE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE UNDER IT.
ALL RIGHT THEN THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK UP TO FIX THE LAST, YEAH, FIX THE LAST THING.
THE LAST SENTENCE SHALL BE GUILTY OF A GET RID OF SHALL BE GUILTY OF GET RID OF UNCLASSED.
YOU SHALL BE GUILTY OF A AND CIVIL VIOLATION OF A CIVIL VIOL WOULD'VE.
AND TWO CIVIL VIOLATION PERIOD.
CIVIL VIOLATION AND THEN CIVIL VIOLATION.
THIS IS, SORRY FOR THE LAST MINUTE STUFF HERE.
NO, WE'RE JUST GETTING CLARIFICATION.
UM, AND WE DON'T NEED TO DO DEPENDING OR LEAVE DEPENDING ON TYPE OF VIOLATION.
JUST RID OF THAT CIVIL VIOLATION.
WHAT IT WAS IS, AT FIRST WE WERE THINKING IT WAS A MIX BETWEEN CIVIL AND AND CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS.
BUT NOW THAT'S BEEN CLEARED UP.
TO SCROLL BACK DOWN TO, ALRIGHT, NOW THE EXPLANATION OF THIS, LET ME GET THIS BACK UP.
IS THIS THE GEORGE PORTION? WELL, IN, IN PART WE, WE TALKED A LITTLE, HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THIS CAME FROM AND THE, THE ONE, THE CIVIL PENALTIES AND VIOLATIONS.
WELL, NOT SO MUCH THIS PART 'CAUSE THIS IS OKAY, THIS SECTION, BECAUSE THIS IS IN STATE.
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STATE.AND THIS MATCHES EXACTLY OUT OF THE, THEIR CODE.
SO, UH, SO THERE'S, SO IF YOU GO TO THAT STATE CODE AND FIND THAT, SO THREE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR DEPUTY CHANGE DESIGNATED DEPUTY.
AND I'M MAKING THAT CAPITAL, RIGHT? YEP.
YOU COULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE DEPUTY, I THINK.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE FINES AND ALL THAT CAME FROM WITHIN THAT CODE.
NOW THE STATE THREW A CURVE, UH, THERE AT THE, AT TWO.
AT THE END OF THAT, THEY THREW A CURVE IN THERE.
TWO DOUBLE I, WHICH MAY WANT TO JUST DELETE IT.
WHERE DO WE TALK THING? WELL, IT PULLS US BACK INTO CRIMINAL.
OH, JUST GET RID OF II LET ME READ IT AGAIN.
SEE WHAT THE CIVIL PENALTY FOR EACH DAY.
SORRY, MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG PART.
UM, IF WE CAN READ 10 DAY PERIOD, IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT CRIMINAL LINE.
UM, WHAT ABOUT, IT'S THREE WORDS.
IT SAYS SETTING ADMINISTRATOR DESIGNEE.
AND THEN FOUR, SUCH ADMINISTRATION SHALL NOT CONSTITUTE CRIMINAL CONVICTION, BUT SHALL HAVE THE SAME FORCE AS THAT PIECE.
UH, IN STATE LAW IT'S IN STATE LAW.
VIOLATION RESULTING AN INJURY.
BUT YEAH, THAT IS THE WORDING OUT OF THERE.
SO WE SHOULD WE KEEP IT OR GET RID OF IT? WELL, WE SHOULDN'T CHERRY PICK, RIGHT? WELL THE CRIMINAL PIECE OF IT.
WELL WHAT, SO IF SOMEBODY GETS HURT, THEN THEY CAN BE CHARGED CRIMINALLY EXCEPT FOR ANY VIOLATION RESULTING IN INJURY TO PERSONS OR WHERE TOTAL CIVIL PENALTIES FOR SERIES OF VIOLATIONS EQUAL OR EXCEED $5,000.
SO EITHER SOMEBODY GETS HURT OR THERE'S A 5,000.
OKAY, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK UP AND UH, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT FOR SECTION TWO, LITTLE SIX VIOLATIONS ARE CIVIL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF UP HERE.
WHAT? UP HERE AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
THAT'S A GOOD A OR I WOULD ACTUALLY PUT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BEFORE, SHALL, OH, ARE WE PUTTING THIS AT THE END OR WHERE, WHERE ARE WE PUTTING IT BACK UP THE TOP? WHERE, WHERE DO YOU WANT THIS TO GO? WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 1.6.
WHERE DOES THAT GO? I'M SORRY.
I WOULD PUT IT AFTER ORDINANCE.
COMMA, ALL, ALL PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE, COMMA, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF RIGHT.
AND THEN COMMA SHALL BE GUILTY OF A YEAH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHO I DON'T SEE A, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THE FIRST, AT THE FIRST SENTENCE.
WE'LL, TELL ME GUILTY OF, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE FIRST SENTENCE OF A GEORGE? NO, I'M LOOKING AT THE ANY OWNER OPERATOR OR MANAGER OF A HOTEL MOTEL AND CONFINED OF THIS ORDINANCE WHO DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THIS ORDINANCE.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SECTION WHATEVER DOWN THERE, IT COMES AFTER THE WORD.
SHOULD WE HAND YOU THE KEYBOARD FOR THIS? AND JUST WITH THE, I I KNOW IT'S, I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
AFTER THE SECOND ORDINANCE, SOMEBODY, THE EXCEPTION OF THE EXCEPTION OF SHALL BE A, THEY TOOK IN OF WHAT? O OF OF SECTION OF SECTION 1.6 COMMA SHALL BE GUILTY OF A CIVIL VIOLATION.
SHOULD IT BE A 0.1, 0.6? MM-HMM.
BECAUSE THERE COULD BE ANOTHER 1.6 LATER ON IN THE DOCUMENT.
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I WOULD SAY CAPITAL A, BUT I'M NOT LAWYER, BUT, SO RIGHT HERE WE GO.AND I'LL FIX THAT PIECE TOMORROW.
I'M ONLY SAYING THAT BECAUSE THERE ACTUALLY IS AN O WHERE YOU HAVE A ONE.NO, YOU ONLY HAVE A 1.1.
SO THE CURVE BALL IS THE STATE SAYS YOU CAN HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER.
AND THEN THEY HAVE A SECTION WHERE YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE BOTH IF, BUT IT TELLS YOU WHAT THAT LINE IS.
I'M JUST, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE WORDING CORRECT TONIGHT BEFORE WE LEAVE.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO MOVE THAT OUT.
BUT SO IS IS WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SECTION 8.1? POINT SIX SHALL BE GUILTY OF CIVIL VIOLATION.
I THOUGHT I, YOU SENT IT TO, YOU HAVEN'T CHANGED LETTER UNDER A, SHOULDN'T YOU PUT FIRST THING TO BE THE, OKAY, NO WORRIES.
NO, WE ACTUALLY, UM, UH, LAUREN HAD ME TAKE OUT THE, SO HERE'S WHAT I HAVE.
IT SHOULD BE THE, IT SHOULD BE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR DEPUTY SHALL HAVE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE ALL PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE.
ANY OWNER, OPERATOR, AND OR MANAGER OF A HOTEL OR MOTEL AS DEFINED IN THIS ORDINANCE WHO DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THIS ORDINANCE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SECTION A.
ONE SIX SHALL BE GUILTY OF A CIVIL VIOLATION PERIOD.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE BIG, THE BIG LEGAL THING.
UH, WELL LET ME, LET ME TOUCH ON KIND OF BIG PICTURE THING, WHICH IS, SEEMS TO ME THAT HOTEL MOTEL, YOU CAN HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
AND THEN FOR EXTENDED STAY, IT'S SUP MM-HMM
AND IS THAT, AND IT, AND WITH THIS, IT SEEMS, UM, IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE, SAY THAT AGAIN.
MY SUGGESTION IS WITH AS TO HOTEL AND MOTEL USE MM-HMM
THAT WHAT THE OBJECTIVE IS, IS TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THE OBJECTIVE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WOULD BE TO ADD PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THE HOTEL MOTEL USE.
AND THEN AS TO EXTENDED STAY YEAH.
SO IN ANY DISTRICT WHERE, WHICH WOULD BE ON TOP OF THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
SO ANY DISTRICT THAT WE ALLOW HOTEL MOTEL, WE SEPARATELY DEFINE EXTENDED STAY HOTEL, OR JUST EXTENDED, IS IT STAY HOTEL.
SO THAT WOULD BE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THOSE SAME DISTRICTS.
THAT'S, IF THEY WANNA STAY LONGER THAN 30 DAYS, THEY HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMITS THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T TURN INTO APARTMENTS.
WHICH IS KIND OF THE PROBLEM WE HAVE NOW.
SO THEN THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE REVISED.
WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE OTHER SECTIONS WHERE WE HAVE THE, THAT WOULD JUST GO INTO THE SUPPLEMENTAL PROVISIONS.
AND, UM,
I'D PUT THE REGS AT THE BEGINNING AND THE ENFORCEMENT UNDERNEATH.
SO THIS, THIS CIVIL PENALTIES AND VIOLATIONS.
WELL, THE SECTION STARTS OUT WITH YEAH.
SO LEVEL A WOULD PENALTIES, VIOLATION.
SO REALLY IT'S LIKE A SHOULD WOULD BE BETTER MAYBE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THROUGH THE REST OF IT.
NOW WE'LL GET THROUGH THE REST OF IT AND TAKE OUT THE ORDER.
NOW, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WISE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT THOSE SUCH AS WE HAVE FOLLOWING THE REST OF THIS DOCUMENT IS A PERFORMANCE STANDARD.
SOME OF IT'S SUPERFLUOUS, I THINK.
THERE'S SOME THINGS IN HERE THAT DON'T NEED TO BE STATED.
I MEAN, FEDERAL LAW, STATE LAW.
AND THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE TOWN MANAGER OR DESIGNATED, AGAIN, NEEDS TO BE ACCESS TO THE PREMISES, NEEDS TO BE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR DEPUTY.
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THAT'S STANDARD LANGUAGE WE USE IN THE REST OF TOWN CODE, TOWN MANAGER DESIGNATION.BUT, UM, THIS, THIS B ONE IS ALSO KIND OF A STATEMENT OF WHAT IS ALREADY THE CASE.
I, I WAS GONNA ASK, IS THAT IS SO YOU DON'T NEED TO STATE ACCESS TO PREMISES? SORRY.
YOU'RE SAYING ACCESS TO PREMISES IS YOU DON'T NEED IF, IF IT'S A PUBLIC AREA MM-HMM
A ZONING OFFICIAL HAS ACCESS ANYWAY.
THE PROBLEM COMES IN WITH THE ROOMS. NO, NO.
YOU KNOW, THERE, YOU NEED EITHER NEED PERMISSION OR A WARRANT.
IF YOU NEED TO, IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO GUEST ROOMS. SO YOU'RE SAYING B NEEDS CAN GO AWAY, SO, SO WELL, SO B IS B ONE IS KIND OF A STATEMENT OF WHAT IT ALREADY IS ANYWAY.
UH, IS, IS AUTHORITY THAT IS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE.
IF YOU WANT TO RESTATE IT, THAT'S FINE.
UM, THERE'S ALWAYS A RISK IN, YEAH.
ADMITTEDLY, THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF PLAGIARIZING THAT WENT ON HERE WITH OTHER TOWNS, ADMITTEDLY, AND, 'CAUSE I WAS TRYING NOT TO RECREATE FROM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS A RISK IN TRY IN RESTATING, UH, AUTHORITY YOU ALREADY HAVE.
I'LL, I'LL, SHALL WE DELETE THAT? I'LL BOW, I'LL BOW HERE ABOUT DELETING AND I MEAN, IF THE APPLICATION, WE HAVE A LITTLE LIKE PARAGRAPH AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS THIS APPLICATION GIVES STAFF THE RIGHT TO ENTER THE PROPERTY.
WELL THAT'S FOR PURPOSES OF THE APPLICATION.
SO IF THEY'RE APPLYING FOR, NOT FOR PURPOSES OF, OF A ZONING VIOLATION.
I LIKE HAVING THAT JUST FOR THE SIMPLE FACT OF LIKE, WHEN WE SEND OUT A VIOLATION LETTER, WE SEND THAT SECTION OF THE CODE WITH IT.
AND THAT WAY IT'S IN WRITING AND THEY CAN'T SAY, WELL, WE DIDN'T KNOW.
I'M NOT SAYING IT SHOULD COME OUT.
I'M JUST, IT COULD, I'M JUST SAYING IT COULD ADVISING THAT, BUT IF IT HELPS, IF IT HELPS, IT DOESN'T HELPS.
HE'S, I'M JUST, I'M JUST STATING THAT WHEN YOU RESTATE WHAT AUTHORITIES ALREADY IN PLACE LEGALLY, YOU RISK MISSTATING IT.
SO IT JUST HAS TO BE LIKE SPECIAL.
I HAS TO BE GIVEN TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING IN THIS STATEMENT CONTRADICTS WHAT IS ELSEWHERE.
OR THAT COULDN'T IN SOME WAY BE CONTRIVED AS CONTRADICTIVE OR, OR SOME TOWN ZONING OFFICIAL READS IT IN A WAY THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE ACTUAL AUTHORITY GIVEN BY LAW.
SO YEAH, THAT'S THAT SAME ZONING OFFICIAL, THE LAW MIS READ IT TOO.
I MEAN THERE IS, I SEE THE POINT TO THAT TOO, BUT LIKE, ACCESS TO PREMISES, WOULD IT BE WORTH JUST SAYING C ARTICLE 1 74 AND SHALL HAVE ACCESS TO PUBLIC AREAS AT ALL REASONABLE TIMES.
IS THE LAW CONSIDERED PUBLIC AREA? UHHUH.
HAVE ACCESS TO PUBLIC AREAS AT ALL AREAS, AT ALL REASONABLE TIMES.
WANT ME TO CHANGE THAT? JUST, JUST CHANGE THE WHOLE THING AND JUST HAVE THAT ONE SENTENCE ACCESS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OH, NO, NO, I'M JUST SAYING ADD FOR ADD.
SO IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, I WOULD SAY ADD ACCESS TO, SHALL HAVE ACCESS TO, TO PUBLIC AREAS OR YOU CAN SAY TO ALL PUBLIC AREAS AT ALL.
SHALL HAVE ACCESS IN ALL HOTELS.
ALL REASONABLE TIMES IN ALL HOTELS TO PUBLIC AREAS.
AT ALL REASONABLE TIMES TO ALL HOTELS.
HOTELS AND EXTENDED STATE FACILITY PUBLIC AREAS.
DURING REASONABLE TIMES TO ALL HOTELS, MOTELS, AND EXTENDED SAFE FACILITIES DURING REASONABLE TIMES.
THAT JUST AT, AT ALL REASONABLE, NOT REASONABLE TIMES.
HOW ABOUT AT ALL TIMES?
'CAUSE WE'RE BUSINESS HOURS, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
IF SOMEONE'S THERE 'CAUSE SOMETHING HAPPENED, IT'S GONNA BE PD, NOT US.
UNLESS YOU'RE STICKING OUT THE PLACE.
THAT'S ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC AREAS.
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THEY DO NOT HAVE TO GRANT ACCESS TO PRIVATE ROOMS EXCEPT, AND IT SAYS THAT EXTENDED SAFE FACILITIES EXCEPT A PRIVATE ROOM OF GUESTS UNLESS VARS.
SO IF SOMEBODY HAS A STROKE IN THEIR PRIVATE ROOM, THEN IT SAYS SUCH A, THAT'S E THAT'S EMERGENCY.
THEY MOST LIKELY DO BECAUSE SHE'S GONNA KNOW THAT THEY IT NICE TO BE YOU.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN WE START IN MY VIEW, THE C ONE TYPE THING IS, IS A PERFORMANCE STANDARD.
EACH ARE THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO ADD A HEADER UP THERE? YEAH.
THAT SAYS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE THAT RIGHT? TO A, AH, I'M GONNA, LET ME BECAUSE IT'S UP.
AH, I'M NOT GONNA LET YOU DO A, BECAUSE IT'S AN A ABOVE.
YOU CAN RIGHT CLICK TRY ROMAN HILL WORLD, TELL IT TO RESTART, NUMBERING, RESTART AT AA.
ANYWAY, I, THE NUMBER THAT CAP SHOULDN'T BE THERE, BUT I'M NOT GONNA STRESS ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.
A NUMBER OF YOU IN THE ROOMS OR UNITS.
SO THIS PART, I MEAN THIS IS STATE CODE KIND OF SELF, SELF-EXPLANATORY, AND THERE'S NO POINT IN MESSING WITH IT.
WELL, AGAIN, AND THE RISK IS YOU MISS STATE SOMETHING THERE OR SOMETHING CHANGES THERE, AND THEN YOU GOTTA GO BACK AND CHANGE YOUR ORDINANCE.
BUT WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH SOME OF THESE NOT HAVING FOR SINCE THE REG, THE REG REFERENCE.
AND THEN YOU GOTTA CHANGE YOUR ORDINANCE.
AND, AND SO WHAT, WHAT'S BEING ACCOMPLISHED BY THAT PARAGRAPH? THE NUMBER OF ROOMS ARE COMPLIANCE, I'M SORRY, THE COMPLIANCE IS APPLICABLE LAWS.
THAT'S WHERE HE'S LOOKING AT THE CODE REFERENCE.
SO ARE YOU SAYING JURORS THAT WE SHOULD JUST SAY COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAWS, PERIOD? I THINK, BUT THAT'S, I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT'S INHERENT AND IT'S OBVIOUS.
LIKE THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAWS.
BECAUSE WHEN, IF THEY CHANGE THAT LAW, SO YOU GOT THAT REG CITED THERE, WHAT IF THAT REG CITATION, LIKE EVERY TIME THE BUILDING CODE CHANGES UP TO THEIR NEW VERSION, WE HAVE TO CHANGE TOWN CODE TO MATCH IT.
WELL NOW LET ME JUST, THE SMOKE DETECTOR, WE DON'T, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S FIRE MARK.
FIRE MARSHAL, I MEAN, JOHN CHECKS IT WHEN WE GO AND LOOK AT SHORT TERM RENTAL TO SEE IF THERE'S IN THERE.
BECAUSE THE BUILDING CODE DOESN'T DO THE INSPECTIONS.
IF WE'RE JUST GONNA RELY ON THAT, THEN THE WHOLE THING GOES.
SO YES, YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YEAH.
NO, I, THAT'S NOT OUR, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT'S NOT OUR, WHAT ARE WE CHANGING? I'M SORRY? JUST COMPLIANCE WITH ALL POSTINGS.
BYEBYE WELL, YEAH, WE'RE DELETING.
SO NOW WE'VE GOT A, AND THEN WE'RE B GONNA START AT COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAWS.
HE'S GONE COMPLIANCE WITH ALL.
B WILL BE, B WILL START WITH MANAGEMENT MANAGER SHALL BE ON PROPERTY AT ALL TIME.
THAT'S A PERFORMANCE STANDARD.
SHOULD WE SAY MANAGER OR CARETAKER OR MANAGER? SUFFICIENT MANAGER OR DEPUTY
AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT SAYS OWNER OR MANAGER, I THINK, YEAH.
A OWNER OR MANAGER SHALL BE AND, AND OWNER OR MANAGER.
THEN THE NEXT ONE, UM, I, I, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A STATE REQUIREMENT ANYWAY, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT WE BORROWED THIS FROM ASHLAND.
I MEAN, ISN'T THAT A HEALTH DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENT? IT'S A TO TRACK.
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I DON'T THINK.NO, IT'S HAVING NAMES WRITTEN IN LINK IS KIND OF A PRETTY BASIC LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.
I USED TO STAY IN HOTELS ALL THE TIME FOR WORK.
I'VE NEVER WANTED YOUR ID WHEN YOU CHECK IN, YOU GAVE THEM, BUT THAT, NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'VE NEVER INDELIBLE WHERE IS THAT DERIVED FROM? I THINK IT'S A HEALTH ISSUE.
SO IF, IF THEY HAVE TO TRACK COMMUNICABLE DISEASE OR SOMETHING MM-HMM
THEY, I THOUGHT IT WAS, BUT I, I WAS LOOKING, I THINK THIS IS AN OLD THING THAT BEFORE THEY HAD, THIS IS COMPUTER, I THINK YOU WROTE YOUR NAME.
BUT WHAT THAT GUEST REGISTER DOES IS ALLOWS US TO KNOW IS SOMEBODY STAYING THERE MORE THAN 30 DAYS AT A TIME IN THE SAME ROOM? THAT'S THE POINT AT WHICH THEY'RE IN VIOLATION COURSE.
ANYTHING, I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT THIS MAY ALREADY BE REQUIRED BY LAW, BY STATE LAW IN SOME FASHION.
PROBABLY IS FOR, FOR THE CRIMINALS ARE STATING, I DON'T THIS ONE I WANNA KEEP IN'T NECESSARILY.
BECAUSE IF EVERYBODY CHECKS IN HAS TO GET THEM, GET THEIR NAME RECORDED, IT'S HARDER TO SET UP BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS IS RIGHT.
SO AT THESE PLACES THAT MAYBE GO HOURLY, THEY'RE NOT WRITING DOWN WHO'S IN AND OUT.
SO THIS IN SOME WAYS KEEPS 'EM HONEST OR AT LEAST KEEPS EM KEEPING RECORDS TO LOOK ON IT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO, AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS IN HERE ABOUT FAULT, PIKE FALLS, REGISTRATION AND SOME OTHER THINGS IN HERE.
THE LAST LINE SAYS MISDEMEANOR PENALTY OF THING WHERE YEAH, JUST TAKE, GET RID OF LAST LINE.
YOU WERE THE LAST LINE BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DONE.
BECAUSE WE ALREADY STATED THAT IT WOULD BE CIVIL.
WERE, I'M SORRY, FALSE REGISTRATION BY GUESS, BUT LACK OFFENSE.
VIOLATION SHALL BE SUBJECT TO MISDEMEANOR.
PENALTY IS PROVIDED BY HOE HIM.
I'M STILL NOT FALSE REGISTRATION.
YOU WERE MINORS ARE FALSE REGISTRATION BY GUESS THE MINORS AND THEN GIVING FALSE INFORMATION.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE ONE ABOVE MINORS.
NO, KEEP GOING TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT SECTION.
VIOLATION SHALL BE, SHALL BE SUBJECTS.
I SAY THIS CODE, PUT THIS TOGETHER.
THIS WAS THE WHIPPY BOY, SO TO SPEAK.
THIS THING ABOUT MINORS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WELL, PEOPLE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO SELL TOBACCO TO MINORS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN CAUGHT TOO.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT MUST BE FOUND SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE, WE COULD, I THINK WE COULD LIVE WITHOUT THAT ONE.
AGAIN, IT'S A ASHLAND'S CODE AND OTHER PLACE, OTHER PEOPLE'S CODE.
WELL THEN THIS IS THIS, IT'S A, THIS KIND OF A PEDAGOGICAL FUNCTION FOR THE HOTEL MANAGER TO HAVE A COPY.
WHEN THEY COME IN AND WE SIT DOWN AND WE TALK WITH THEM, THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I WANNA DO WITH THIS PROPERTY.
WE PRINT OUT THIS ORDINANCE LIKE WHEN JOHN OR I MEET AND WE GO THROUGH IT, HERE'S YOUR REQUIREMENT ORDINANCE OR THE STAY ORDERS.
AND THEN THEY GO THROUGH AND LIKE, HERE'S YOUR APPLICATION, HERE'S YOUR REQUIREMENTS.
OKAY, SO LET'S, IF WE KEEP OUR FOCUS ON THE OBJECTIVE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WHAT DOES MINORS GOT TO DO WITH THAT? WELL, WELL THE OBJECTIVE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOTELS OR APARTMENTS AND USING THEM AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN HOTEL.
THE MINORS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH, YES, IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH CHILD TRAFFICKING.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
NO, BUT WHY, WHY NOT LEAVE IN THERE? I GUESS THE MINDSET OF PUTTING IT TOGETHER WAS COVERING HOTEL, MULTI ORDINANCES, PERIOD.
YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT, YOU KNOW, FOR TOWN AND ENFORCEMENT, NOT JUST THE EXTENT OF STAY OR OVERSTAY.
SO WHAT I HAVE TO DO THERE IS I'M GONNA HAVE TO RESEARCH STATE LAW TO SEE IF, IF LOCALITIES CAN REGULATE WHETHER MINORS CAN RENT A ROOM.
I KNOW WE ALREADY KNOW THEY CAN.
WELL, OKAY, SO MINORS CAN'T CONTRACT, RIGHT? THEY CAN'T GO IN.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S BETWEEN THE
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MINOR AND THE, AND THE ESTABLISHMENT.RIGHT? BECAUSE THE PROPRIETOR CAN'T ENFORCE A CONTRACT AGAINST A MINOR.
IT'S LIKE WE CAN'T ENFORCE THE R RATED MOVIES.
A MINOR GOING IN THE THEATER HAS TO.
ALRIGHT, WELL I'M WELL, AT A MINIMUM I NEED TO, I NEED TO CONFIRM THAT.
THAT WE'RE ENABLED TO, UM, ENFORCE THAT VIOLATION.
I I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THAT'S ANY OF OUR LOCALITY'S BUSINESS.
SO E AND F YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I'M NOT SAYING NO, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I I, AND WHAT I WAS THINKING IS THAT JUST TO, IF, IF WE, IF YOU GIVE AN APPLICANT A COPY OF THE TOWN CODE, IF THIS IS IN THE TOWN CODE, RIGHT? SAYING THE SPANISH HOTEL CLUB OPERATOR MUST ALSO KNOW STATE CODE.
FEDERAL CODE MUST KNOW FIRE CODE.
AND DO WE NEED TO RESTATE IT AGAIN? HERE IS IS WHAT WE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE GEORGIA'S POINT, IF WE CAN'T ENFORCE SOMETHING, THEN WE CAN'T PUT IT IN THEN HE SHOULDN'T PUT IT IN.
SO NO, YOU GUYS ARE CONVINCED ME TO TAKE IT OUT.
WELL THEN LET'S TAKE IT OUT AND CONVINCED ME.
AND THE SAME WITH, UH, NEXT ONE.
SO I GUESS I SEE IT AS TWOFOLD.
ONE, CAN WE ENFORCE IT? TWO, IS IT RELEVANT TO OUR TASK? SO THE PROBLEM IS, IS YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE LIVING IN, WELL, IT, IT'S MORE RELEVANT TO OUR TASK THAN KNOWING THE PROVIDENCE OF PUPPIES IN A PET SHOP.
ISN'T IT? NOT THAT THEY COME FROM A PUPPY MILL IN OHIO WHERE THEY SET BARN ON FIRE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THE TASK I THOUGHT WAS YEAH, BUT PREVENTING LONG TERM STAYS.
WELL, BUT ISN'T THE TASK ALSO PREVENTING OTHER SHENANIGANS IN MOTELS,
AND THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL TASK.
BUT WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE USING HOTELS AS PROSTITUTION RING? WELL, THAT'S ALREADY ILLEGAL AND THE COPS HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT, RIGHT? WELL, YEAH.
WE'RE NOT, WE, WE NOT, BUT IT'S LIKE THE, THE PERSON PROVIDING THE SERVICE LIVING AT THE HOTEL, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
I I I'LL LOOK INTO YOU DON'T MAKE, NOT MAKE WORK BECAUSE HE'S, HE'S RIGHT.
I'D SAY JUST STRIKE IT FOR NOW AND GIVE YOU FALSE INFORMATION AND LODGING.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE SAME THING.
AND THE NEXT ONE, USE OF LOO FOR ILLEGAL OR UNLAWFUL PURPOSES THAT SEEMS SIMPLE ENOUGH TO KEEP.
I THINK THAT THIS SPEAKS, THIS SPEAKS TO THE WHAT WAS, WHAT WERE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE? YEAH.
WELL IT IT'S UNLAWFUL TO LIVE IN A HOTEL.
WELL I THINK WE CAN KEEP THAT BECAUSE THAT, THAT COVERS THE TWO THINGS BEFORE THAT WE TOOK OUT.
THEY'RE GIVING FALSE INFORMATION.
SO IS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR GONNA BECOME A POLICE OFFICER? NO.
AND DOES THIS AT ALL TOUCH ON, I DON'T, MAYBE I DON'T UNDERSTAND A DISTINCTION BETWEEN CIVIL AND CRIMINAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I MEAN, I, I ALSO FEEL LIKE PENALTY IS NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS A HUGE ONE BETWEEN CIVIL AND CRIMINAL.
CRIMINAL IS, YOU KNOW, BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT AND CIVIL'S PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE KEEPING IT IN THE, IN THE REALM OF THE CIVIL.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY WE WENT.
I MEAN I FEEL LIKE THE OTHER BIG THING WITH CIVIL IS THESE FOLKS CAN ISSUE THEIR OWN SUMMONSES.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO A MAGISTRATE MAGISTRATE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO A MAGISTRATE AND DEMONSTRATE, UM, PROBABLE CAUSE.
ARE WE KEEPING THAT? I GUESS WE CAN GET RID OF IT 'CAUSE WELL, JOHN, WHAT WAS YOUR I'M JUST, I WAS GLANCING AT THIS OTHER STUFF.
WELL LET, LET ME JUST, ZONING IS, BUT THAT'S FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF POLICE POWER.
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POLICE, POLICE POWER IT SOUNDS LIKE.I DON'T, THEY'RE NOT HEARING AROUND GUNS.
AND I GUESS I WAS ALSO JUST THINKING LIKE SOMEBODY, UH, SOMEBODY LIVING IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, HOUSE.
CAN THEY USE THEIR HOUSE FOR ILLEGAL AND UNLAWFUL PURPOSES? SURE.
I I GUESS THEY COULD SAY BECAUSE IT COULD BE TIED TO REVOKING ZONING CLEARANCE AND THEN THAT'S REVOCATION OF BILL OF THE UH, BUSINESS LICENSE.
SO USE OF ROOM FOR ILLEGAL IS STAYING.
IS THAT CORRECT? FOR NOW? YES.
WE MAY NOT GET THROUGH THIS ONE TONIGHT.
WE MAY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT AND COME BACK TO IT.
NOW THE NEXT ONE I REALLY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH.
NO, WE CAN, WE ALL THE CONVERSATION JUST, I REALLY PROBLEM WITH THAT ONE.
YOU SKIPPED ONE SCROLL DOWN TOO FAR.
GET RID OF WHICH SHALL BE VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE FOR ANY PERSON TO RENT OR OCCUPY ANY ROOM IN A HOTEL MOTEL.
EXTENDED STAY FACILITY OR ILLEGAL OR UNLAWFUL PURPOSES.
I'M SORRY, I CAN'T GET THIS TO MOVE, UH, USE OF ROOMS FOR ILLEGAL OR UNLAWFUL PURPOSES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LEAVING IN? NO, THAT'S FINE.
THE USE OF THE ROOM FOR ILLEGAL UNLAWFUL PURPOSES.
YOU SAID WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT IN FOR NOW.
AND THEN I SHALL BE, WAIT, MAKES SENSE TO ME.
NOTIFICATION OF SUSPECTED ILLEGAL ACTIVITY CAN'T RUN THE SAME ROUTE TWICE IN A DAY.
IT'S THIS LETTING WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
THE LETTER IS THE SAME THING AS GRAHAM NOTIFICATION OF SUSPECTED ILLEGAL ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.
ARE YOU KEEPING THAT IN? I DON'T KNOW.
WE'RE TALKING, WE ARE KEEPING THAT.
YEAH, I KNOW ALL THE WORDS OF THAT ONE.
OH, WE EVEN THAT RECEIPT OR PAYMENT RECEIPT KEEPING THAT, UH, THAT CAN GO AWAY TOO.
DON'T, THIS IS, AGAIN, THE FOCUS WHEN THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
WHEN ASHLAND DID THEIRS, THEY USED IT TO THEN GO THROUGH AND THEY CONDEMNED A LOT OF THESE MOTELS AND POUR THEM DOWN.
BUT THE COMM, THE TOWN DID IT AND TOWN REPURPOSED THOSE SITES.
SO WE USE, WE USE SOME STUFF, BUT AT THE END WE'LL GET, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO MORE SPECIFIC ONES.
AND THERE'S INVOLVED THE TASK FORCE OF POLICE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BUILDING DEPARTMENT, LIKE THEIR TOWN WORKED TOGETHER WITH THEIR COUNTY TO JUST HIT THEM ON ALL FRONTS.
SO THEN YOU NEED A BRIGHT LINE COMING UP HERE.
UH, BECAUSE TO STAY, EXCUSE ME.
ARE WE KEEPING LENGTH OF STAY IN HOTEL MOTEL? WE HAVEN'T THAT YET.
I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GET RID OF THAT.
SO LENGTH ESCAPE OVER THE HOTEL.
UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA SAY ONLY PART THAT'S CRITICAL.
THIS, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GETTING INTO.
UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA ASK ME CAN WE MAKE IT TWO WEEKS? I DON'T KNOW.
SO THIS, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT, SO THERE'S WHERE YOU NEED YOUR BRIGHT LINE WHEN YOU START WITH EXTENDED STAY.
'CAUSE THAT NOW YOU'RE GETTING INTO SUP.
YOU HIT A COUPLE RETURNS AND TYPE EXTENDED STAY.
YOU'VE GOT EXTENDED STAY PERMIT.
BUT I MEAN THE SECTION, A NEW ESPECIALLY USED PERMITS.
SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR SPECIAL PERMITT.
I THINK THAT'S HOW, BECAUSE I KNOW IN OTHER SPECIAL USE PLACES, WE ADDED THE WORD USE SPECIAL PERMIT.
SO EXTENDED STAY SPECIAL PERMIT.
VOLUNTEER TO TYPE IN THE FUTURE.
WILL YOU, WHERE'S MEGAN? SORRY.
I WOULD SAY A PERMIT ONLY BY PURSUANT EXTENDED STATE PERMIT.
THE TOWN MAY LIMIT THE NUMBER OF ROOMS DESIGNATED FOR EXTENDED SPACE IN THE FINDINGS OF THE HOTEL.
WHETHER WELFARE, BUT SHALL NOT EXCEED 20% OF THE TOTAL ROOM.
AND THAT IS, THAT CAME ACROSS.
'CAUSE THERE, THERE ARE EXTENDED STATE HOTELS THAT DO RENT BY THE NIGHT ROOMS. THAT'S NOT THEIR PRIMARY BUSINESS, BUT THEY DO HAVE BY THE NIGHT RENTALS.
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OFF WITH A I ON TRAVELING.I'VE, I'VE STAYED AT MANY EXTENDED PLACE PLACES FOR JUST A COUPLE DAYS.
SO MY COMMENT THERE IS WHY ARE WE LIVING? I DON'T LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE ENFORCEMENT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC.
I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A CARVE OUT IF YOU ONLY DO 20%.
I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IF YOU HAVE ANY EXTENDED STAYS.
AND THEN JUST GET RID OF THE PERCENTAGE.
JUST, BUT IN ANY CASE, THEY'LL NOT EXCEED 22.
ALL WITHOUT SPECIAL APPROVAL RELATED TO SAFETY AND WELFARE STAY.
SO JUST GET RID OF THE LAST HALF OF THAT SENTENCE.
GET RID OF FROM BUT ONWARD PERIOD HERE.
'CAUSE WE JUST, WE HAVE EXTENDED STAY HOTELS.
WE AREN'T DOING DEDICATED AND PART OF THE SAME THING.
PART OF IT WE WERE, WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES ORIGINALLY.
AND THIS PLAYED INTO THAT TO SOME EXTENT.
GET JUST, WHY'D YOU, UM, PLEASE HELP ME.
WHAT DO WE WANT TO SAY? OKAY, COME ON.
WHAT, WHAT DID WE CHANGE? TOTAL NUMBER ARE, WE'RE GETTING RID OF NUMBER TWO.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.
I THINK WE GOT RID OF DEDICATED EXTENDED.
I THINK WE GOT RID OF A GO ONE.
AND KEPT THE EX BUT JUST MADE IT EXTENDED.
GET RID OF THE 70% BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT DESCRIBES THE AMENITIES THAT MAKE IT, THAT'S THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE HOTEL MOTEL IS THE KITCHEN AND, WELL THIS IS DEFINITIONAL IT SOUNDS LIKE.
WHAT, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.
YOU'RE DEFINING, DEFINING WHAT AN EXTENDED STAY IS INSTEAD OF JUST TELLING WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO GET A PERMIT FOR AN EXTENDED STAY HOTEL.
WHAT ARE WE CHANGING? SO THIS NEEDS TO COME OUT HERE AND JUST WE'RE, WE START WITH THREE EXTENDED STAY PERMIT REQUIREMENTS.
ALL THIS COMES OUT BECAUSE THAT'S COVERED IN THE DEFINITIONS, WHICH WILL GO IN ANOTHER SECTION.
NUMBER TWO, DEDICATED, EXTENDED, ALL COMES OUT AND THEN GET RID OF THE ONE ABOVE.
BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED THE DEFINITIONS.
BECAUSE THESE ARE DEFINITIONS.
WE'RE NOT AND DO WE DO HAVE A PAGE WITH DEFINITIONS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA RESTATE THE DEFINITIONS AND THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
WHAT DO THEY NEED TO DO? SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
ARE WE STILL LEAVING THAT HEADING? YES.
JUST SO I KNOW WE'RE TO START CLEANING IT UP AT A REASONABLE FEE.
EXTENDED STATE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT WAS PULLED STRAIGHT OUTTA THE AIR FEE IS IS IN A DIFFERENT SCHEDULE.
THAT WAS PULLED STRAIGHT OUTTA THERE.
SINCE WE DON'T HAVE NO, WE WOULD JUST USE A COMMERCIAL, A MAJOR ZONING PERMIT.
SO COMMERCIAL, WHICH WOULD BE A TWO.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE CHANGES.
WE DON'T NEED TO WHATEVER YOU WANT HERE.
WE'RE DOING SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE DON'T NEED THAT FEE SPECIAL.
I JUST DELETE THIS WHOLE THING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEY DON'T WANT A CONTRADICTION.
YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE TO CHANGE DELETE THE WHOLE THING.
IF IT CHANGES, IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THEN YOU HAVE A FEE SCHEDULED FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
INVESTIGATION AND INSPECTION UPON RECEIPT.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR DEPUTY SHALL VERIFY ALL.
WELL, THAT'S GONNA BE WHATEVER YOU WANT.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT IT TO SAY THERE? DELETE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE TOWN MANAGER.
SO ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR DEPUTY.
WELL ISN'T THAT A STANDARD PROCEDURE WITH ANY SUB DEPUTY, DEPUTY? THE, THAT THE, UH, THIS ONE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST BE THE PLAN DIRECTOR.
VERIFIES INFORMATION ISN'T THAT STANDARD FOR ANY SUP.
SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO RESTATE IT AT ALL? DO STAFF OR PLANNING STAFF? WHAT USUALLY, WHY DO WE NEED THE DIRECTOR ABOUT INVESTIGATION INSPECTION? 'CAUSE THAT'S STANDARD PROCEDURE, ISN'T IT? LEMME FINISH READING I PUT IN THERE CAROL OR CONNIE.
SHE'LL VERIFY ALL INFORMATION.
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JUST STATING OUR INTAKE PROCESS.DIRECTOR SHALL VERIFY, SHALL VERIFY ALL INFORMATION, WHICH MEANS ONE OF YOU WILL VERIFY THE, SO WE'RE GONNA LEAVE INVESTIGATION.
SO, SO, SO PLANNING DIRECTOR SHALL VERIFY THE WHAT DO WE DIRECTOR JUST GET RID OF THIS IN, RIGHT? WHAT? NO.
SO UPON RECEIPT OF THE COMPLETE APPLICATION FOR, OR JUST THE PLANNING DIRECTOR SHALL VERIFY UPON RECEIPT OF A COMPLETE APPLICATION, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OR DESIGNEE SHALL VERIFY ALL INFORMATION AND SHALL CAUSE I THINK YOU'RE UNDER ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU REST OF YOUR DOCUMENT IS IN.
SO MY, SO THE REASON I SAID PLANNING DIRECTOR IS BECAUSE THIS IS, IS BECAUSE IT'S AN APPLICATION.
UNTIL YOU HAVE AN APPROVED APPLICATION, YOU DON'T HAVE A ZONING ISSUE.
PLANNING, PLANNING DIRECTOR, SORRY.
YOU DON'T HAVE A ZONING ISSUE UNTIL YOU HAVE AN APPROVED USE.
I GUESS WE HAVE THIS THROUGHOUT.
BECAUSE EACH, EACH TOWN HAS ITS OWN, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE IT WITH THE SP SECTIONS OF YEAH.
WE, WE HAVE INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS.
AND WE VERIFY THAT THE INFORMATION'S CORRECT.
SO LIKE IF WE GET AN APPLICATION AND DON'T, BUT YOU'RE VERIFIED THAT FOR ANY SUP RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO IT'S, IT SHOULDN'T BE THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BUT UM, YEAH, OBVIOUSLY
SO GO INSPECTION TO BE DONE OF THE PREMISES PERIOD.
I THINK WERE WAIT, WAIT, WHAT? PREMISES? PREMISES.
AND THEN END IT AT PREMISES AND TAKE EVERYTHING ELSE OUT.
INCIDENTALLY, UNDER TOWN CODE, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR IS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
WELL, WHATEVER YOU LIKE IN TWO IS CAN BE BECOME A PERFORMANCE STANDARD.
TOWN SHELF HAS THE RIGHT TO INSPECT.
THE HOTEL SHOULD BE OPERATED TO ENSURE SAFES.
IF YOU, FOR GAS AND SURROUNDING BUSINESSES, THAT JUST DON'T BE A NUISANCE.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE YOU LIKE, I WOULD SUGGEST IT BECOME A PERFORMANCE IN NOT UNDER THE SUP BUSINESS.
SO WE'RE LEAVING ANY PERMIT ISSUED PURSUANT TO THIS ORDINANCE.
I THINK WE GET RID OF THAT PARAGRAPH AND MOVE THOSE THREE UP IN PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
I MEAN THESE, SO WE MOVE THESE RIGHT THERE.
IF, IF YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THAT, LAUREN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD ENFORCE SOME OF THOSE, BUT, UM, FOR NOW, MOVE THAT UP THERE.
BUT GET RID OF THE I PARAGRAPH, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHERE DO YOU, YOU CAN STATE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
DIDN'T WE HAVE, DID WE HAVE PERFORMANCE? WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, WE DIDN'T HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARD.
IIII, I HAVEN'T DELETED IT YET, BUT I JUST WANTED IT MOVED UP.
YOU HAD IT THERE A SECOND AGO.
JUST ABOVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT RIGHT THERE.
CALLED PERFORMANCE STANDARDS RIGHT HERE.
BUT HAD A RETURN SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
HIT A RETURN AND A PASTE, I GUESS.
AND ENTITLED THAT RIGHT THERE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, BUT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
CAN YOU STOP PLEASE? JUST, WILL YOU PLEASE STOP BELL? WHAT IS THAT ICON? STUPID
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PERFORMANCE.FINE TUNING PERFORMANCE STANDARD HEADING CAPTURES SOME OF THAT.
BUT JUST, JUST FOR NOW, BECAUSE WE TALKED, THEY WERE PERFORMANCE STANDARD.
WE JUST DIDN'T PUT THE TITLE IN.
SO THIS STAYS, DOES ALL THIS STAY WITH DENNIS STATEMENT CONDITIONS? THE REST OF THIS NOT, NOT ALL THAT GOES THAT GOES DELETE.
AND YOU SAY MOVE THE OTHERS ABOVE.
ARE WE ON EXTENDED STATE PERMIT ISSUANCE? MM-HMM
THAT'S REALLY MORE PERFORMANCE.
THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S ADMINISTRATION.
EVEN LESS THAN THAT ADMINISTRATION.
LIKE A STANDARD WOULD BE EXTENDED STAY MOTELS SHALL HAVE, YOU KNOW, KITCHEN LIVING FACILITIES WITHIN THE ROOM.
THIS IS JOB DESCRIPTION FOR THE STAFF.
NO, THE THING, ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE WORDING IN THESE TWO? WE DON'T NEED IT.
OR YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T WANT WELL, WE DON'T NEED, NEED THAT SECTION AT ALL.
I THINK THE DURATION IS UP TO COUNCIL, TO THE PROCESS OF APPROVING THE SUV COUNCIL WOULD SET THE TIME LIMIT.
I THINK YOU WOULD RECOMMEND AS A CONDITION THIS GET RENEWED.
I I'M NOT SURE THIS NEEDS A LITTLE MORE SET.
MY BRAIN IS HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH MORE DO WE HAVE TO GO HERE BEFORE WE ARE WE, ARE WE STILL ING? WE'RE ON PAGE SIX OF SIX.
WE'RE ALMOST OBVIOUSLY THE LAST, THAT NEXT PARAGRAPH IS ENFORCEMENT.
ARE WE KEEPING SUSPENSION AND REVOCATION? WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ALREADY, THAT'S ALREADY GIVEN.
AND THE NEXT ONE UNDERNEATH IT.
DO YOU THINK THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN
IF, BASED ON OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION BY SAYING STATE AND LOCAL LAW AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.
WELL, COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO REVOKE IT.
SO I ALSO THINK THIS IS PART OF THAT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL HERE, ADMINISTRATIVE WHERE THE VIOLATION IS AND THEN THEY WOULD, ESPECIALLY USED FOR MEN, GETS REVOKED BY THE GOVERNMENT'S BODY.
DOES IT HELP YOUR JOB, LAUREN, TO HAVE THIS IN THERE? WELL, I LOVE QUESTION MARKS AND THINKING ABOUT IT AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T THINK SO, BUT MAYBE WE'RE JUST NOT.
I THINK OUR BRAINS ARE MUSH RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WE FIRST STUDY ON THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE THIS DOCUMENT IN YOUR KIND CARE TO MAKE, PUT A QUESTION.
CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT THAT SECTION, THE END OF THAT SECTION, WHAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO? SO, SO SUSPENSION.
WE DO HAVE SOME DEFINITIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THIS.
DO WE WANNA LOOK AT THOSE? NOT, NO, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT 40 OF 'EM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S ONLY A FEW, BUT IT'S AFTER NINE.
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THIS POINT.MY KIDS DOWNSTAIRS IN THE OFFICE.
AND THE DEFINITIONS YOU'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT, THAT'S THE ONE THING YOU DID LOOK AT PRIOR TO THIS.
THOSE WERE SENT OUT ANY, RIGHT.
THOSE ARE SENT OUT ANY IN IN THE EARLIER THINKING.
BUT, SO WHEN WILL WE NEED AGAIN TO REVISIT THIS? THIS NOVEMBER 18TH.
WE'RE NOT HAVING OUR WEDNESDAY.
WE'LL HAVE A BRIEF REGULAR MEETING THURSDAY AT 6:00 PM HERE.
AND THAT'S JUST TO APPROVE SOMETHING FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO WORK SESSION.
SO THAT AFTER THE NEXT FINAL COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH IS DECEMBER 18.
CORRECT? THAT'S THE 6:00 PM HERE? YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT I YOU WON'T BE HERE.
AT LEAST TWO ITEMS FOR JANUARY FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
TWO APPLICATIONS CAME IN THIS WEEK FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
A TOW YARD AND I DON'T FIVE STAR.
OH, THE AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR THAT CENTER OR WHATEVER, LIKE IMPOUND.
LOST FIVE STAR MICHELIN ONLY GIVES THREE STARS.
YOU'RE BOUGIE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT.
BECAUSE I PASSED ONE TWICE A DAY.
DO WE NEED TO ADJOURN? ADJOURN.
OKAY, SO A AND W WERE HERE SECOND.
WHO WAS THE SECOND TALKING ABOUT? SHE MADE THE MOTION.