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ORDER.WILL YOU DO A ROLL CALL? SURE.
UH, THERE'S MINUTES ATTACHED TO THIS.
UM, WE, I KIND OF A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM AND THEN WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION.
ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MINUTES? I WASN'T HERE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE Y'ALL HAD A GOOD MEETING.
I THINK THANKS FOR RUNNING THAT, NICK.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY CHANGES TO MINUTES.
I DO ALL, UH, ALL IN FAVOR FOR, UH, EXCEPTING THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED, SIGNIFY TO SAYING AYE.
OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTION? ALRIGHT.
UH, ADAM CAMPBELL'S HERE FROM VDOT.
IS IT RIGHT IF I KIND OF STAND OVER HERE? NO,
YOU HAVE TO STAND OUTSIDE THE ROOM BACK THERE AND LEAVE THE PRESENTATION.
UM, SO MY NAME'S ADAM CAMPBELL.
I'M WITH, UH, DDOT STATE DISTRICT.
UM, I'M IN THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING SECTION, UH, JUST HERE TODAY TO KIND OF GIVE AN UPDATE, UM, ON THE SOUTH STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT THAT WAS FUNDED THROUGH THE STATE'S, UH, SMART SCALE GRANT PROGRAM A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UM, THEY'RE KIND OF JUST GO OVER WHAT'S IN THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AS IT'S CURRENTLY FUNDED TODAY.
UH, WHERE THE RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM.
IT'S GOT A PRETTY LONG HISTORY.
UM, AND THEN KINDA GIVE YOU SOME OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
UM, SO THIS IS THE PROJECT AS SUBMITTED BY THE TOWN IN 2020, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN THE THIRD ROUND OF SMART SCALE, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO THE MAIN IMPROVEMENT WAS LOOKING AT SOUTH STREET, UM, AS A REACTION TO, UH, A NUMBER OF CRASHES, UH, HAPPENING IN PRETTY HERE, THE EASTERN ENTRANCE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER OVER TOWARDS BLUE RIDGE LANE, PARTICULARLY, UH, FROM A PEDESTRIAN SAFETY CRASH STANDPOINT.
THERE'S BEEN SOME HISTORY HERE.
UM, SO LOOKING AT AN ACCESS MANAGEMENT, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, UM, THE PROJECT WOULD ADD A FEW SEGMENTS OF RAISED MEDIAN, UM, THAT COULD BE HOPEFULLY UTILIZED FOR SOME, YOU KNOW, LOW LANDSCAPING TO PROVIDE SOME AESTHETICS FOR THE CORRIDOR.
BUT THE MAIN THING IS TO KIND OF CLEAN UP SOME OF THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT, FULL ACCESS LOCATIONS TO, TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF VEHICULAR CONFLICT POINTS ALONG THIS SECTION OF THE INTERSECTION.
UM, THE IDEA, SO WHEN I GET BACK TO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUT OF THE STUDY, ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS TO CAN WE MOVE THIS SIGNAL FROM ITS CURRENT LOCATION AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE MARTINS AND AND TO THE MCDONALD'S? CAN WE MOVE IT OVER TO BLUE RIDGE LANE? UM, EVERYONE KNOWS THIS IS A PROBLEMATIC COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE JUST WITH THE QUEUING AND STACKING ASSOCIATED WITH JUST, JUST WHERE THE ACTIVITY IS RIGHT THERE AT THE ENTRANCE.
UH, SO THE THOUGHT WAS IF WE COULD MOVE IT TO HERE, UH, THAT COULD, THIS COULD BE REIM IMAGED AS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE AND PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE DISTANCE FOR ALL THIS ACTIVITY AREA FROM THE SIGNAL, BUT ALSO GIVE YOU FULL ACCESS TO YOUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS BACK HERE OFF OF BLUE RIDGE AVENUE.
UM, AT THE TIME, THE TOWN THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE TOO CHALLENGING TO KIND OF MAKE THAT DRASTIC OF A, OF AN ADJUSTMENT FROM A COMMERCIAL, UH, ENTRANCE STANDPOINT.
SO THE APPLICATION WAS ACTUALLY, LET'S DO A CLUSTERED SIGNAL.
SO A CLUSTERED SIGNAL IS, YOU, YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THESE AS ONE SIGNAL.
THEY'RE RUNNING ON ONE CONTROLLER, THEY'RE RUNNING ON THE SAME SIGNAL TIMINGS.
SO IT'S JUST A, A TECHNIQUE WE HAVE FROM A SIGNAL OPERATION STANDPOINT THAT THIS IS ONE SIGNAL.
SO THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER, UH, AND COORDINATED IN TIMES TO PROVIDE, UM, FULL ACCESS TO THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE IN BLUE RIDGE AVENUE, BOTH AS IT IS TODAY.
THE MCDONALD'S WAS NOT BE PART OF THE SIGNALIZATION AND THIS WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE SIGNAL SIGNALIZATION EITHER.
THEY'D JUST BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUTS.
UM, SO THIS GIVES YOU OPPORTUNITIES TO DO NUMEROUS TWO STAGE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS.
SO THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLAND IN THE CENTER OF THE ROADWAY WITH THE RAISED MEDIAN WHERE PEOPLE COULD, THAT CAN'T MAKE THE CROSSING ALL THE WAY IN ONE TIME.
THEY CAN, THEY CAN WAIT SAFELY UNTIL THEY CAN MAKE THE SECOND STAGE OF THE CROSSING.
SO THAT GETS YOU THREE DIFFERENT POINTS WHERE THAT CAN HAPPEN.
UM, GETS YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO FUNNEL PEOPLE TO CROSS EXACTLY WHERE YOU WANT TO, BUT THIS PROVIDES ENOUGH OPTIONS AND ENOUGH, UM,
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JUST SPACING THAT WE FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD HELP ADDRESS WHERE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO CROSS.THEY'D RATHER GO TO A SAFER LOCATION.
UM, NOW I WILL NOTE THAT THE CHALLENGE IN HERE IS, UH, IN ORDER TO DO THIS, INITIALLY WE THOUGHT WE'D HAVE TO DROP ONE OF THE TWO EASTBOUND, ONE OF THE EASTBOUND LANES, UH, THROUGH LANES TO ACCOMMODATE THIS LEFT TURN.
I WILL NOTE THAT NOW THAT WE'RE IN DESIGN, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING SECTION AT THE DISTRICT IS ALSO IN AGREEMENT OF LET'S KEEP THE TWO THROUGH LANES, LET'S MAKE THAT A SHARED THROUGH LEFT.
AND THEN IF SOMEONE ACTUALLY GETS STUCK HERE AND THEY CAN'T TAKE THE LEFT WHEN IT'S A, WHEN IT'S A GREEN BALL OR PERMISSIVE, THEN MAYBE WE COULD DO A, A PROTECTED GREEN ARROW AT THE END OF THE PHASE TO CLEAR THAT PERSON OUT, UM, BEFORE THE SIGNAL CHANGE IS READ.
SO THERE ARE SOME LOOKING AT SOME OPERATIONAL ADJUSTMENTS HERE.
UM, SO YEAH, SO THE THOUGHT WITH THIS IS, LET'S CLEAN UP THIS, THE MCDONALD'S ENTRANCE BY CONSOLIDATING, MAKE A TRUE RIDE IN RIGHT OUT THAT ISN'T PART OF THE SIGNAL LIKE IT IS TODAY.
AND THEN THEY STILL HAVE THIS LEFT TURN HERE, UM, TO, TO, TO USE THE FULL ACCESS THEY HAVE ON BLUE RIDGE AVENUE TO TRY TO GET, REDUCE SOME OF THE, UM, THE VOLUME AT THE PRIMARY INTERSECTION THERE.
SO ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON WHERE THE PROJECT STANDS TODAY FROM A SCOPE STANDPOINT? AND THEN I'LL KIND OF GO WORK INTO HOW WE GOT HERE.
SO, UM, IT SAYS IT'S BASED OFF OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A 2015 STUDY.
IS THAT LIKE A TYPICAL TIMELINE? IS THAT ATYPICAL AND IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION COMING IN TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND LIKE CONGESTION 10 YEARS DOWN THE LINE? YEAH, SO WE COLLECTED TRAFFIC DATA IN 2015 WHEN WE DID THAT STUDY.
UM, AND THEN THE TOWN DIDN'T REALLY ADVANCE THE RECOMMENDATION ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT STUDY AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN WHEN THERE WAS ENTRANCE INTEREST FROM THE TOWN IN 2019, WE KIND OF DID A QUICK STUDY REFRESH.
WE COLLECTED SOME NEW COUNT DATA JUST TO COMPARE TO MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
'CAUSE I THINK THE RURAL KING CAME IN BETWEEN 20 15, 20 19.
UM, SO OUR NEW ACCOUNTS, WE DATED 19 CAPTURED THAT.
UM, I WILL KNOW THAT THIS, THIS IS KIND OF TYPICAL.
USUALLY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF TO GET JUST THE WAY TRANSPORTATION FUNDING WORKS.
SOMETIMES IT'S MULTIPLE TRIES TO GET THE FUNDING ONCE YOU COME FROM A RECOMMENDATION.
AND WE DO UPDATE THE TRAFFIC DATA ONCE WE'RE AT VARIOUS STAGES OF THE PROCESS.
USUALLY IF IT'S MORE THAN TWO OR THREE YEARS OLD TRAFFIC DATA, WE WANT TO REEVALUATE IT.
SO AS PART OF THIS, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY, NOW THAT WE'RE IN DESIGN, BE COLLECTING NEW COUNTS AT ALL THREE OF THESE LOCATIONS TO MAKE SURE, UH, WE DON'T NEED TO ADJUST THE SCOPE AT ALL.
WAS ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO, UM, 5 22 IN TERMS OF AN OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENT ACT? YEAH, I MEAN, COMING IN THAT WAY YOU MEAN PLAZA? YEAH.
I MEAN LIKE COMING IN BEHIND, WE ALMOST BEHIND CAM CONNECTION FROM 5 22, A NEW CONNECTION TO 5 22.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S JUST SO CONGESTED ON SOUTH STREET.
SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT JUST COMES DOWN TO COST PROHIBITIVE.
I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE A NEW BRIDGE OVER THE CREEK.
UM, IF I HAD TO GUESS BALLPARK, I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A $10 MILLION PROJECT.
UM, AND THE REALITY IS JUST THAT TYPE OF PROJECT REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE, THE STATE'S PRIMARY TRANSPORTATION FUNDING PROGRAMS NOW ARE ALL PERFORMANCE DRIVEN BY DATA CRASHES, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND, AND I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING, UH, TO GET A PROJECT OF THAT MAGNITUDE FUNDING THROUGH THE VARIOUS, THE, THE WAY TRANSPORTATION FUNDING WORKS RIGHT NOW.
UM, LIKE HAPPY CREEK IS FOR AN EXAMPLE, IS IS THE BEST SOLUTION.
UNFORTUNATELY YOU HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY.
UNFORTUNATELY YOU SAY IT'S GONNA COST 10 MILLION, YOU HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE LIMITS OF YEAH.
WHAT IS THE BUDGET CURRENTLY? WHAT ABOUT WHEN PEOPLE COME IN? LIKE THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING BACK IN BEHIND THE MARTINS STUFF THAT THERE'S CONNECTED ROAD THROUGH THERE.
I MEAN, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF OPTIONS YOU'RE BRINGING IN TRAFFIC OFF THE CRIER THERE, WHICH IS PROBABLY WORSE GIVEN THE SCHOOL AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S, THEY'RE PUTTING IN A, WE'RE PROPOSING I GUESS APARTMENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN BEHIND THAT MARTIN SHOP CENTER.
IS IT WITH A PROPOSED CONNECTION OR NO CONNECTION? THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PRO PROPOSED CONNECTION BETWEEN THE APARTMENTS AND THE SHOP CENTER.
UM, YEAH, SO YOU ALL CAN'T SEE THIS HERE.
THIS IS JUST A, A SCREENSHOT OF OUR, OUR SIX YEAR IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
UM, SO WE'RE CURRENTLY IN, IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
UH, RIGHT AWAY IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO START MAY OF 2027.
CONSTRUCTION IS SCHEDULED TO START JUNE OF 20 28, 3
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$0.9 MILLION IN PROJECT ALLOCATIONS AT THIS POINT.SO THAT'S A $3.9 MILLION PROJECT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT STANDS.
SO, SO IF I WAS LISTENING TO YOU CORRECTLY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN SOME MEDIAN, SOME PLANNERS, SOME DECORATIVE, SOME OPPORTUNITY TO ISOLATE FOR THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, BREAK UP THE, THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, AND SO IN DOING THAT, THAT IS SUPPOSED TO REDIRECT TRAFFIC.
AND I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION LIKE THAT'S TO SLOW IT DOWN OR IS THAT MORE TO PROTECT THE PEDESTRIAN? UH, ALL, ALL THE ABOVE.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, TAKING SOME OF THESE FULL ACCESS, UH, MOVEMENTS HERE, UM, BECAUSE CLEANING THOSE UP TO REDUCE WHERE, WHERE CRASHES COULD OCCUR OR, OR VEHICLES CAN COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER, CLEANING THIS UP AND TRY TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THE TRAFFIC USING THE SECONDARY ACCESS HERE INSTEAD OF THE PRIMARY OFF OF, OF OF SOUTH STREET.
UM, THIS ONE, THIS ONE'S A CHALLENGE TO, I MEAN, I JUST DROVE THE CORRIDOR JUST TO KIND OF REFRESH MYSELF BEFORE I CAME HERE.
AND THIS, I MEAN, THIS WAS A MESS.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT CONNECTED SIGNALS ARE GONNA WORK.
I'M, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONE AT BLUE RIDGE THERE IS JUST THE DELIVERY ENTRANCE TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE, I MEAN IT'S CONVERTED TO A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.
THAT'S ANOTHER ONE WHERE YOU WOULD BE TAKING THE LEFT AWAY HERE.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY UTILIZING.
I MEAN, MAYBE IF THEY PARK ON THAT END OF MARTIN'S THERE AND, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, GREAT HELP.
BUT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE I DID, UH, JUST DROVE THROUGH HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE A LOT OF THEIR EMPLOYEES PARK.
WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE 'CAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST PARKING TO GET IN AND OUT OF, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S HARD BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION, RIGHT.
AND EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN VERSION OF WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE RIGHT TO, TO GO THERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT IT, I COME FROM SOUTH FLORIDA, BORN AND RAISED, AND THERE WAS A MAIN ROAD THERE THAT HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS, UH, CALLED PALM AVENUE.
AND, AND IT'S A HUGE, IT'S A HUGE NECK LIKE THIS WHERE YOU GOT SO MUCH BUSINESS RIGHT THERE HAPPENING.
AND, UM, IT JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST STILL PUTTING EVERYBODY RIGHT IN IT.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT SOUNDS LIKE 10 MILLION.
I JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT ALL ALLOCATES, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE LIKE GONNA PUT OURSELVES IN A MASSIVE AMOUNT.
HOW LONG WAS THE, HOW LONG WAS THE, UH, THE PROJECT GONNA TAKE? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T READ THAT.
IT'S NOT, I MEAN, FROM, FROM A CONSTRUCTION, IT'S SUPPOSED SCHEDULED TO GO TO START A CONSTRUCTION IN JUNE, 2028, AND IT'S ABOUT JUST A 12 MONTH CONSTRUCTION WINDOW.
SO WE'RE TALKING LIKE TWO MORE YEARS.
A COUPLE MORE YEARS OF GROWTH TO THE AREA TOO.
RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT GROWTH IS, BUT THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME SINCE I'VE MOVED HERE.
I'VE SEEN MASSIVE GROWTH SINCE 16.
SO JUST CURIOUS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN TWO OR THREE MORE YEARS.
AND THAT'S WHERE, ESPECIALLY IF THOSE PAD SITES GET TAKEN UP, YOU KNOW, AND AS PART OF THE, AND PART OF THE 2019 UPDATE WE DID TO GET THE HELP TOWN GET THE APPLICATION READY, UM, I'LL, I'LL GO THROUGH THIS, BUT THAT DIDN'T SHOW A SIGNIFICANT CLIMB FROM 2015 COUNTS.
SO WHEN WE COLLECT NEW DATA FOR THIS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE LOOKING AT AS A TREND LEVEL TO SEE WHAT IT IS GROWTH OCCURRING AND DOES THAT CHANGE OUR FORECAST? 2020 WITH COVID ALONE IS GONNA GIVE YOU A MASSIVE SPIKE WHEN EVERYBODY LEFT THE CITY.
SO I MEAN, JUST SEEING THAT AS, AS A MEANS OF MARGIN, THAT'S HUGE.
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT INFORMATION.
UM, SO JUST TO KINDA GIVE YOU SOME HISTORY HERE, UH, THE STUDY WAS A VDOT IN-HOUSE STUDY THAT I, I LED THE EFFORT.
UM, WE, LIKE I SAID, WE DID IT IN 2015.
IT WAS AT THE REQUEST OF A TALENT COUNCIL MEMBER AT THE TIME.
I THINK IT WAS NOT LONG AFTER, I BELIEVE THIS WAS A YOUNG CHILD THAT GOT STRUCK AND KILLED.
UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEY WERE LOOKING AT, THEY WANTED TO KNOW, TOWN COUNCIL WANTED TO KNOW IF, IF YOU, IF THE STREET COULD BE RE-ENVISIONED TO DO A ROAD DIET CONCEPT.
BASICALLY GO FROM FIVE LANES TO A, TO A THREE LANE, ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION WITH BIKE LANES, IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND A CENTER TWO-WAY LEFT TURN LANE FOR THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.
UM, SO WE DID A THREE YEAR CRASH ANALYSIS WITH THAT FIRST INITIAL STUDY AVERAGING ABOUT 20 CRASHES PER YEAR.
UM, FORTUNATELY MOST OF THEM WERE PROPERTY DAMAGE ONLY JUST GIVEN THE LOWER SPEEDS ON THE CORRIDOR.
UH, WE COLLECTED PEAK HOUR TURNING MOVEMENT COUNTS AND, UH, 12 OR UH, 24 HOUR TUBE COUNTS TO GET THE FULL VOLUME ON THE CORRIDOR.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PM PEAK HOUR WAS BY FAR THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF THE DAY.
THAT'S WHAT WE USE IN OUR ANALYSIS.
UM, SO WE WERE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 18, 18,000 DAILY TRIPS BACK IN 2015
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ON THE CORRIDOR.AND THAT'S, I SHOULD NOTE THAT FOR YOUR AREA, YOU HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, UH, ANNUAL AVERAGE DAILY VOLUME.
SO THAT INCLUDES A, A, UH, SEASONAL ADJUSTMENT, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST SEASONAL ADJUSTMENTS IN THE STATE WITH THE FALL.
SO THAT THAT'S NOT YOUR, THAT MIGHT NOT BE YOUR TYPICAL WEEKDAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WITH THE SEASONAL ADJUSTMENT TO DO THE ACTUAL AVERAGE OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE 365 DIVIDED BY 365.
UH, WE COLLECTED PEDESTRIAN COUNTS BACK IN 2015 ALSO.
UM, AND THERE'S A COMMON THEME HERE AMONG THE, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE DATA POINTS WE CAPTURED BETWEEN THE CRASHES, UH, THE VOLUMES, UM, AND THE PEDESTRIAN COUNTS.
WHILE OBVIOUSLY FROM A VOLUME STANDPOINT, THE TWO BOOKENDS OF THE CORRIDOR WERE SOME OF THE HIGHEST LEVELS BETWEEN THERE.
THIS WAS REALLY, THAT STARTED TO POP UP AS WHERE THE MOST NEEDS WERE ON THE CORRIDOR.
ALL RIGHT, SO HERE'S THE, THE ROAD DIET ALTERNATIVE WE CONSIDERED.
SO I GUESS YOU CAN SEE MOVING FROM FIVE LANES TO THREE LANES CENTER LEFT TURN LANE BIKE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION AND THEN STILL DOING THE, SOME OF THIS ACCESS MANAGEMENT.
AND YOU CAN STILL GET TWO LEFT TURN LANES IN EACH DIRECTION WHERE THE STREET WINDS OUT A LITTLE BIT AS YOU APPROACH, UM, COMMERCE.
AND WITH THE FORECAST WE SHOWED, UM, THIS ROADWAY, YOU KNOW, 15 TO 15,000 AND BELOW, UH, DAILY TRAFFIC, YOU CAN START REALLY CONSIDER DOING AN IMPROVEMENT LIKE THIS.
BUT ONCE YOU START GETTING INTO THAT 15 TO 20,000 VEHICLES PER DAY, LIKE THE, LIKE WE CURRENTLY ARE, THAT'S WHERE IT CAN START TO BE PROBLEMATIC.
AND YOU REALLY HAVE TO DO AN OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS.
AND WHAT WE FOUND IS WHEN YOU HAVE ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION, ESPECIALLY AT THIS SIGNAL AT COMMERCE, WAS THE QUEUING AND THE PEAK HOUR WAS STARTING TO BACK UP WITH JUST THE ONE TRAVEL LANE AND CAUSING UPSTREAM PROBLEMS WITH INTERSECTION OPERATIONS.
WE, WE, WE DID AN OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS, WE, BUT WE CAME BACK AND DIDN'T RECOMMEND IT.
INSTEAD WE CAME WITH THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE SAID WAS, LET'S, UH, LET'S MOVE THIS TO HERE SINCE THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY ACCESS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE BACK.
UM, TRY TO GET MORE SEPARATION FROM THIS AND THEN STILL DO SOME ACCESS MANAGEMENT HERE AND THERE.
UH, LIKE MAKE THIS A WRITE IN, WRITE OUT, WRITE IN, WRITE OUT.
UM, SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE THEMES OF WHAT WE WERE RECOMMENDING INSTEAD OF DOING THE THREE LANE SECTION.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THIS IDEA OF LET'S DO A CLUSTERED SIGNAL CAME FROM WITH THE, WITH THE CURRENT APPLICATION.
SO LIKE I SAID, TOWN REACHED BACK OUT IN 2019 WANTING TO, TO CONSIDER SOMETHING TO SUBMIT FOR SMART SCALE, UM, IN 2020.
SO WE DID AN UPDATED CRASH ASSESSMENT, AGAIN, EVEN A GREATER FLURRY OF PEDESTRIAN CRASHES AND FATALITIES OCCURRING, UH, IN THIS, IN THIS TIME SET.
UM, THIS WAS STILL KIND OF A HOT SPOT IN THE MIDDLE HERE, COLLECTED NEW TRAFFIC COUNTS.
SO THESE WERE 29 COMPARING 2019 TO 2015.
AND ACTUALLY WHAT WE FOUND IS TRAFFIC COUNTS HAD OVERALL SLIGHTLY DECREASED BETWEEN 2015 AND 2019.
SO THAT'S WHY I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT OUR NEW COUNTS THAT WE COLLECT SHOW WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE PAST SIX YEARS COMING ESPECIALLY LIKE SIX OUT THE PANDEMIC.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE, UH, WE, WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED THEM YET BECAUSE, UH, WE'RE GONNA WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE'RE OUT OF THE PEAK LEAVE SEASON.
UM, JUST WAIT A COUPLE MORE WEEKS BEFORE WE COLLECT TRAFFIC DATA.
UM, AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, OUR, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING SECTION IS LOOKING AT AN OPTION TO MAINTAIN THOSE TWO EASTBOUND LANES THROUGH THE PROJECT LIMITS.
SO DO YOU DO, UH, LIKE A REVISION BEFORE YOU START THAT PROJECT IN 2028? LIKE TO ACTUALLY SEE IF THAT'S ACTUALLY NEEDED NOW? OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S OUTDATED OR LIKE IS THERE ANY ACTUAL LIKE, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE BACK AND LOOK BACK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT AS WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE SEEING THAT WE'RE COMING TO THAT WALL AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, YEAH, NO, UH, SO BOTH OF THE ORIGINAL STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS HAD AN OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS.
WE UPDATED OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS IN 2019 FOR WHAT THE TOWN SUBMITTED.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DO IT AGAIN WHILE WE'RE IN DESIGN TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENTS.
AND WE CAN, WE'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY COME UP WITH A TECHNICAL MEMO JUST OUTLINING THE CHANGES, THE DIFFERENCES AND WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER ONCE WE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN AND EVERYBODY THEY LOOK AT OVER BEFORE YOU COMMENCE? YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS YOUR ALL'S PROJECT.
OH, I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.
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WE'RE ADMINISTERING IT, RIGHT? RIGHT.WE'RE, WE'RE ADMINISTERING IT, BUT THIS IS YOU ALL SUBMITTED FOR IT.
UM, SO THIS, YOU, THIS IS, YOU SHOULD FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THE TOWN.
SO A LITTLE CHALLENGING WHEN YOU HAVE THREE OR FOUR TOWN MANAGERS OVER THAT TIME.
I MEAN, EVEN FROM A LEVEL, HAS THE CURRENT COUNCIL VIEWED THIS AND APPROVED THIS? THE CURRENT COUNCIL? YEAH.
LIKE, LIKE WHO WE HAVE SITTING RIGHT NOW, WHO'S, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I MEAN THEY'RE THE IMPORTANT PIECE.
WELL, 70 20 BIGGER QUESTION WOULD'VE BEEN ON SOME OF THEM.
SHE, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THOUGH FOR A LOT OF SMART SCALE PROJECTS, GIVEN THE TIMELINE THAT SMART SCALE GOES THROUGH MM-HMM
IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY COMMON THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS TRANSITION IN AND NOW, I MEAN RIGHT.
THERE'S FLUCTUATION BETWEEN EACH ROUND OF WHEN THE MONEY'S AVAILABLE.
YEAH, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE LONGER ROUNDS.
SO THIS IS SLIGHTLY LONGER THAN TYPICAL, BUT YEAH, IT, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE A CHANGE IN COUNCIL MAKE BETWEEN WHEN SOMEONE, WHEN A LOCAL, HOW HE APPLIES FOR SOMETHING GETS THE FUNDING AND THEN IT ACTUALLY IS READY TO BE DELIVERED.
SO WHEN THEY STARTED ASKING ABOUT IT, THERE WAS ONE PEDESTRIAN DEATH AND THEN SINCE THEN THERE'VE BEEN SEVERAL MORE.
SO THAT'S A, YEAH, THERE WAS, THERE WAS THREE PEDESTRIAN CRASHES, TWO INJURIES, ONE HERE, ONE FURTHER DOWN TO THE WEST, AND THEN THE FATALITY.
AND THEN, UM, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S STILL 2014.
THEN THERE WERE TWO MORE, TWO MORE DOWN IN THE VICINITY AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER, UH, INJURY CRASHES AS WELL.
EVERYBODY, BUT SO DO, HAVE YOU GUYS TALKED TO THE SHOPPING CENTER PEOPLE AT ALL ABOUT THIS CHANGE? UM, THERE WAS, THE TOWN HAD SOME LEVEL OF COMMUNICATIONS BACK WHEN WE DID THE STUDY BACK IN 2015.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING HAS I I I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
'CAUSE LIKE, WHICH TO FIX THE PROBLEM THAT'S HAPPENING THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S HAPPENING OUT ON THE STREET, BUT IT'S TRYING TO GET INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND, AND AGGRAVATED BY THE MCDONALD'S ACROSS THE STREET AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THERE NOW.
I THINK IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AT THE TIME THAT THAT'S WHY THE TOWN THERE WASN'T A BIG SUPPORT FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER WITH THE IDEA OF LET'S MAKE THAT THE MAIN INTEREST.
I WOULDN'T SAY HELL NO IF IT WAS MY SHOPPING CENTER, BUT, YOU KNOW, I I JUST THINK IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO ME THE $10 MILLION SOLUTION IS THE RIGHT ONE.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA GET THERE.
I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NO WAY, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S EXTREMELY CHALLENGING BASED ON HOW WELL A ACTUALLY WELL, AND I WOULD SAY BOTH.
I MEAN THAT, THAT'S A COMPLICATED AREA, YOUR HONOR.
BUT I, I'M JUST, I'M TALKING OUT LOUD HERE BECAUSE, WELL, I, I THINK THAT IF YOU LISTEN TO THE STREET OF, OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, SOMETIMES THEY GIVE OPINIONS AND SOMETIMES THEY, THEY, THEY WOULD RATHER NOT GO THERE THAN GO OTHER PLACES BECAUSE OF THAT.
JUST IN THE COMMUTER, THE COMMUTING ASPECT, I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING OF ACCURACY IN SOME AREAS, RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TO FIND A WAY TO BRING THE BUSINESSES SOME OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT INTEREST.
YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE A MAJOR PART IN THAT.
THAT'S WHERE I WAS KIND OF THINKING LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT PEOPLE IN THOSE, IN THOSE EMPTY SPACES OR REVITALIZE SOME OF THOSE SMALLER, SOME OF THOSE SMALLER STRIP STORES, YOU NEED SOME INTEREST TO THEM.
AND RIGHT NOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LIKE, HEY, I DON'T WANNA GO THERE.
I MEAN, I I, THE OTHER DAY I WAS IN THERE RIGHT WHEN THEY OPENED AND PEOPLE WERE EXCITED TO WALK IN 'CAUSE AND I HEARD, YOU KNOW, I ASKED ONE GUY, HEY, WHY ARE YOU COMING SIR? BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE HERE.
SO IT'S JUST THE THOUGHT OF IF WE'RE BRINGING BUSINESS AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT, MAYBE THAT'S JUST A GOOD THOUGHT TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING TO BUILD THAT INTEREST, YOU KNOW.
I'M JUST, I MEAN YOU ON THAT, IT IS THE PARKING LOT FOR THE EMPLOYEES, RIGHT? YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THERE WAS A LITTLE THING THAT I PARKED THERE.
OH,
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, SO THERE WOULDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT WITH THE PROJECT UNLESS THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR IT.
BUT JUST PULLING THIS, THIS ISLAND BACK TO TRY TO CLOSE OFF THOSE.
SO YOU HAVE TO COME BACK IN HERE, NOT HAVE RIGHT.
FEEDING VEHICLES RIGHT THERE AT THE THROAT.
I AND OUT THERE QUESTION TOO, UM, I THINK PART OF OR OR GOOD CONTRI CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THESE TRAFFIC ISSUES, IS THAT FAST FOOD TRAFFIC COMING OUT ONTO THAT ROAD.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT INTO BLOCKING OFF THAT ACCESS THERE AND REDIRECTING IT, SAY
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ON BLUE RIDGE AND AROUND TO THE BACKSIDE OF THOSE WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGHS ARE ANYWAY? UM, THIS ONE'S PROBLEMATIC.'CAUSE YOU HAVE NO OTHER WAY TO GO UNLESS YOU REMODELED.
WELL, YOU HAVE NO WAY TO EXIT.
BUT YOU COULD GET IN IF YOU WENT AROUND THE BACK.
BUT THE MCDONALD'S, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO CUT THAT OFF, MIGHT, MIGHT STOP THAT ABILITY.
THAT'S, THAT'S A FOUR WAY INTERSECTION AND THE PEOPLE LEAVING MCDONALD'S, THERE'S NO LIGHT THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, GOING BACK, I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER OF VEHICULAR CRASHES OR IF THAT'S EVEN A, A DETERMINING FACTOR.
IF THAT WAS MEASURED AS LIKE THIS PERSON WAS LEAVING MCDONALD'S HAD NO CLEAR SIGNAL WHETHER THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT TO GO OR NOT.
I MEAN THAT IS GONNA SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE HEAVILY DISCUSSED DURING THE PROJECT BECAUSE THESE, THESE CHANGES IN ACCESS WITH THE PROJECT, SIGNIFICANT COORDINATION FROM A RIGHT OF WAY STANDPOINT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE PROJECT.
SO THERE'D BE NO EXITING FROM THE MCDONALD.
YEAH, THIS ONE WOULD STILL HAVE A, THIS WOULD STILL HAVE A RIGHT OUT, RIGHT OUT.
IT WOULD JUST BE CONSOLIDATING RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THEY HAVE THIS ONE BIG IN AND ONE BIG OUT.
JUST PROBABLY CLEAN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
BUT IT WOULD BE TAKING AWAY THE LEFT END.
YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE THE LEFT HERE TO GO FROM, TO GET IN THERE FROM THE GOTCHA.
BUT THAT IN ITSELF WILL HELP A LOT JUST BASED ON THAT CUTTING ACROSS.
AND IT ALSO SHOULD HELP MAKE YEAH.
EVEN THOUGH WE'RE, IT'S, IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE 'CAUSE YOU THINK YOU'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL SIGNAL AND YOU'RE INCREASING DELAY.
BUT IF OUR OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS SHOWS WITH THESE BEING COORDINATED WORKING AS ONE SIGNAL, IT ACTUALLY IMPROVES OPERATIONS BY, UH, SPREADING OUT THE LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS.
BUT AGAIN, AS PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS OF THIS, UM, WE WILL WORK WITH THE TOWN TO COORDINATE, UH, COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING, UH, FULL PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS OF MM-HMM
NOW, NOW THAT WE'RE AT THIS PART IN THE PROJECT OF ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY MORE, BRING IT, BRINGING IT IN FRONT OF ELECTED OFFICIALS TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S ON BOARD THAT WE HAVE A PROJECT TOWN LIKE TO ADVANCE WOULD BE THE CASE THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE ONE ENTRANCE TO GET IN IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GO, IF YOU'RE HEADING WEST ON SOUTH STREET, THE ONLY ENTRANCE, THE FIRST ENTRANCE WHERE THE, UH, ANYTIME ES WOULD BE CUT OFF.
SO YOU COULD NOT TAKE A LEFT THERE.
THIS ONE COULD ONLY BE ABLE TO TAKE A THAT AT THE LIGHT.
SO NOW FOR EXAMPLE, IF OUR TRAFFIC COUNTS SHOW THAT THERE'S MORE, THERE'S MUCH HIGHER DEMAND HERE THAN THERE USED TO BE IN THE PAST.
SOMETHING WE CONSIDER, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD DO, BUT SOMETHING WE CONSIDER TO COUNTERACT THAT IS, WELL MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE TO MAKE A POCKET LEFT IN YOU CHANNELIZE THAT, SO YOU, SO YOU STILL CAN'T TAKE THE LEFT OUT, BUT YOU CAN STILL GET THE LEFT IN.
YEAH, I THINK THE POCKET LEFT THERE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WILL, THEY ELECT TO TAKE THAT ENTRANCE TO GET IN AND THEN TRAVEL AROUND THE SHOPPING PARKING LOT.
AND THEN THERE'S NO LIGHT AT BLUERIDGE AVENUE RIGHT NOW TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
SO IT'S EASIER TO GO LEFT AT THE FITNESS ENTRANCE AND YOU CAN BACK WITH THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THAT'S THERE AS WELL, WHICH SIGNALED IF YOU KNOW SOMEBODY'S AT THE SIGNALS, JUST TRYING TO BE ABLE TO GET OVER INTO THAT LITTLE POCKET LEFT, TURN ONE CAR AT A TIME AND THEN BE ABLE TO CROSS TRAFFIC.
I'LL SAY EVEN WITH THE, THE RAPID FLASHING BEACON THAT'S NOT, THAT'S BEEN IN THERE FOR A COUPLE YEARS, THAT'S STILL, THAT'S STILL AN UNCOMFORTABLE CROSSING.
TRAFFIC VOLUME AND THE DISTANCE OF THE CROSS, IT ONLY WORKS.
SO YEAH, THE LEFT TURN HEADING WESTBOUND HAS BEEN ELIMINATED.
TURN INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER.
IS THAT IN PART TOO? BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL QUEUE UP IN THAT.
THERE'S NO DEDICATED TURN LANE NOW, SO THEY'RE QUEUING UP ALMOST TO THE INTERSECTION FOR 5 22.
AND THEN CAN YOU ELABORATE? IT LOOKS LIKE THE TURN LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER NOW HAS BEEN EXTENDED ALMOST TWICE AS LONG AS WELL TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ADDITIONAL TURN.
AND THE OTHER THING I MENTIONED IS THERE, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC PUBLIC SESSION CORRECT FOR THESE, UH, LIKE I KNOW THEY'D NORMALLY HOST THESE IN BIG AREAS THAT THE PUBLIC WILL BE INVITED TO AND HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH VDOT STAFF AND MAKE THESE COMMENTS.
THEY HAVE THE BIG BOARDS AND, AND DIFFERENT, UH, SCENARIOS.
ESSENTIALLY ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS THAT INVOLVES ACCESS MANAGEMENT OF ADJUSTING BUSINESS ACCESS.
WE'VE DONE A, A MORE INFORMAL CITIZEN INFORMATION MEETING FIRST AND THEN FOLLOWED UP WITH A FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING, TWO OPPORTUNITIES.
SO ACCORDING TO THIS DECK, IT LOOKED LIKE THE TRAFFIC COUNT IN 2015, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS ABOUT 18,000.
AND THEN THERE WAS A 2023 FIGURE THAT, UH, 14,000.
IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IN METHODOLOGY THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THAT? BECAUSE I KIND OF, KIND OF, UH, YOUR POINT, FRANK, I WOULD FIND THAT PRETTY SURPRISING POST COVID TO DROP
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4,000.I NEED TO GO BACK AND CHECK TO SEE IF, SO THIS IS, I NEED TO CONFIRM THAT THIS IS OKAY.
THE, I MAY, I NEED TO CONFIRM THAT WE'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES BECAUSE THIS MIGHT NOT HAVE THE SEASONAL FACTOR THAT THE HIGHER 18 VIN, I CAN, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH JOE ON THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR YOU FOR SEVERAL YEARS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU STATED, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF BEEN GOING ON.
BUT ANYWAY, THANKS FOR COMING AND SHOWING US WHAT YOU HAVE.
AND I WISH WE HAD MONEY TO DO THIS AND YOU KNOW, A BRIDGE OVER THE CREEK.
UH, BUT THE OTHER ONE ISSUE WITH THAT, I MEAN, THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THAT, IT WOULD HAVE, IN ORDER TO BE A, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC STREET TO BE ELIGIBLE.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO SOMEHOW TERMINATE IT WITH A CUL-DE-SAC OR SOMETHING BEFORE MAKING IT PRIVATE INTO THE COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT BASED ON WHAT OUR ANALYSIS SHOWS WITH THE UPDATED TRAFFIC ACCOUNTS.
I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AS, AS A LONGER TERM PROJECT.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S ONLY, I'M SPEAKING FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE SHOPPING CENTER OWNER.
YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK THEY WOULD WANT, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OLDER SHOPPING CENTER, THEY PROBABLY DON'T REALLY WANNA PUT ANY MONEY INTO IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, ACCESS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY, UH, YOU KNOW, IN 2025 THAN WE WERE WHEN IT WAS BUILT, WHENEVER IT WAS BUILT.
AND, AND SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
WE JUST NEED MORE ACCESS POINTS INTO THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
SO YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE TERM WAS A LITTLE LONGER THAN NORMAL.
IS THAT, DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? AS LONG AS THIS, THE PRO, LIKE AS FAR AS HOW LONG THIS IS GOING STARTED TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, THE PLAN? OH YEAH.
JUST FROM, JUST FROM THE, THE TIMING FROM A SUBMISSION IN SMART SCALE, YOU GET THE FUNDING AND THEN WHEN THE ACTUAL PROJECT IS DELIVERED, THAT CAN RANGE ANYWHERE FROM I'D SAY FIVE TO 10 YEARS.
UM, AND IT IS JUST, EACH ROUND'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT OF WHEN THE MONEY'S AVAILABLE.
UM, THIS JUST HAPPENED TO BE AROUND WHEN IT GOT FUNDED IN 2020 THAT THE, THE FUNDING WAS A LITTLE FURTHER OUT THAN WHAT THE AVERAGE IS.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS, THIS, THIS ONE'S TAKING A LITTLE LONGER THAN BUT NOT MUCH LONGER.
MAYBE A YEAR OR TWO AT THE, AT THE MOST.
ARE THERE, UH, WHAT IS THE TYPICAL TERM FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? A YEAR OR TWO YOU SAID? UM, SO TYPICALLY I WOULD SAY, UH, TYPICAL IF YOU SUBMIT FOR FUNDING, I WOULD SAY YOU'RE UNDER DESIGN IN THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON SOMETHING, SOMETHING NOT AS COMPLEX AS A PROJECT LIKE THIS, YOU'RE PROBABLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THREE YEARS.
UM, THIS ONE'S JUST GONNA BE EIGHT YEARS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THIS BOARD OR THAT WE COULD DO TO SUPPORT ANY SORT OF EXPEDITING THAT, OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING THAT WE COULD GO TALK TO PEOPLE OR, OH, I MEAN, LIKE HOW DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY HELP IN THAT JUST ASKING FOR THIS PROJECT? JUST FOR ANYTHING LIKE, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THE BUSINESSES.
SO THIS PROJECT SAYS IT'S FULLY FUNDED, IT'S KIND OF ON THE STATE'S SCHEDULE, BUT FOR FUTURE PROJECTS, IF YOU ALL ARE INTERESTED IN SOMETHING, I MEAN, ANYTIME THE LOCALITY BRINGS A LEVERAGED FUNDS BRINGS LOCAL FUNDS TO THE TABLE, THERE'S ALWAYS MORE OF A OPPORTUNITY TO EXPEDITE PROJECTS.
'CAUSE THAT MONEY CAN BE SPENT FIRST TO GET PROJECTS FURTHER ALONG.
WE HAD TIMES THAT WE HAD TALKED WITH SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ABOUT SOME DIFFERENT CHANGES IN SOME OF THE, THE WAY THAT THE, THE TRANSPORTATION IS HERE.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE TO ENTICE SOME THINGS.
REMEMBER THAT NICK AND I KNOW YOU GUYS WERE AROUND FOR, FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST CURIOUS IF WE GET SOMETHING FROM ANOTHER ORGANIZATION, LIKE THE RETAIL STRATEGIES OR WHATEVER THAT IS, AND THEY SAY, HEY, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT SPOT TO REALLY ENTICE, LIKE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER HOMETOWN FIELD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE WERE AND ALL THAT.
SO IN THAT THOUGHT PROCESS, IT'D BE GREAT TO COME TO HIM AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS A PLAN FOR THAT THAT WE THOUGHT OF.
BUILDING THAT, BUILDING THAT FORWARD FOR THEM BASED ON WHAT WE LEARNED.
SO THIS COULD BE AN AVENUE OF WHERE WE GO WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK THIS ADDRESSES OR ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS ON SOUTH STREET IN A SHORT TERM, MORE ECONOMICAL WAY, BUT LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE THINGS, MORE FISH TO FRY OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING WITH THESE PEOPLE.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET, WE'RE TRYING TO GET IDEAS TOGETHER AND, AND HOW WE CAN SUPPORT.
AND SO IF THAT HAPPENS, THAT WOULD
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BE WHERE WE GO FOR THAT.WE COULD TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
RICK, YOU SAID YOU FEEL LIKE WE NEED MORE ACCESS POINTS FOR THE MARTINS PLAZA.
IS IT THAT WE NEED MORE OR THAT WE NEED BETTER FLOWING ACCESS POINTS? BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE ONES THAT WORK FASTER, THAT THERE'S LESS OF A DELAY, LESS OF A QUEUE THAT'S CREATED, WOULDN'T THAT BE BETTER THAN HAVING A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT COME INTO THE SAME PLACE? SO I MIGHT HAVE MISSPOKEN IN THAT, YOU KNOW, SO I USE THAT SHOPPING CENTER A LOT.
AND I USE THE SAME ENTRANCE PARK ON THE SAME SIDE.
YOU DO? YOU MEAN I SHOP AT MARTIN AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE AWAY MY LEFT TO GO HOME, BUT IT'LL BE OKAY BECAUSE I WON'T HAVE TO WAIT THERE FOR A HUNDRED YEARS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT.
I MEAN, AND THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT IN HERE ARE STRATEGIES THAT I USE AS A CONSUMER TRYING TO ENTER.
AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I'M COMING UP, UH, COMMERCE AVENUE AND I TURN ON THE SOUTH STREET AND I'M LIKE, MY PREFERENCE IS TO PROBABLY GO IN THE RURAL KING ENTRANCE, UM, UNLESS IT'S A CLUSTER.
AND, AND THEN I'M GONNA GO DOWN TO THE MARTINS AND ENTRANCE AND TRY AND LEFT, TURN IN.
I, I WISH THERE WAS A LEFT TURN LANE THERE, YOU KNOW, DEAD.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO SIGNALIZATION FOR A LEFT TURN AS YOU, THERE'S NO LEFT ARROW THERE.
AS YOU, I'M SURE YOU'RE WELL AWARE.
UM, AND SO, SO THEN I'M GONNA GO THERE, YOU KNOW, AND WHO KNOWS, I MIGHT EVEN GO DOWN FURTHER TO THE BLUE RIDGE AVENUE ENTRANCE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, SO ALL THOSE THINGS JUST, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY I SAY A DIFFERENT ENTRANCE OR AN ADDITIONAL ENTRANCE TO ME WOULD BE MORE DESIRABLE.
IT WOULD TAKE TRAFFIC OFF OF SOUTH STREET AND MAYBE CHANNEL IT WHERE IT WANTS TO GO REALLY.
YOU KNOW, LIKE MAYBE OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY OR, OR SOMEWHERE ON 5 22.
BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH PUTTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOGETHER, DO YOU ALL HAVE, I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT VIRTUAL REALITY, BUT SOME SORT OF VIDEO THAT WOULD MODEL HOW THIS WOULD END UP GOING.
DO YOU HAVE YOUR TRAFFIC ACCOUNTS AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE A GUESS JUST A 2D PLAN SAYING THIS IS HOW THE SIGNALS WILL WORK.
IS THERE AN ANIMATION THAT WOULD SHOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT? MM-HMM
IT'S A TRAFFIC SIMULATION SOFTWARE THAT WE, THAT'S ONE OF OUR PRIMARY TOOLS.
BUT IT HAS A, IT'S NOT A 3D VISUALIZATION, IT'S JUST A BASIC TOP DOWN PLAN VIEW SIMULATION.
BUT YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THE ACTION DURING THE PEAK HOUR.
I MEAN, YOU USED IT FOR THE BRIDGES OUT THERE WHEN YOU WERE PROPOSING THOSE.
AS I RECALL, THERE WAS AN ANIMATION THAT SHOWED THAT ONE WAS A LITTLE MORE DANCE BECAUSE OF, IT WAS SUCH A OUTSIDE THE BOX CONCEPT FOR THE FIRST RIGHT.
WELL ANYWAY, BUT THAT, I THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW, JUST SO PEOPLE CAN WRAP THEIR
I, I'VE SET UP A MONITOR BEFORE TO SHOW IT RUNNING.
JUST INDIVIDUAL REPRESENTATION APPEARS EXACTLY HOW TRAFFIC WILL FLOW.
DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE COME OUT THIS MANY PEOPLE GO IN THIS MANY PEOPLE ARE JUST TRAVELING THROUGH.
JUST TO SEE LIKE, OKAY, I THINK I CAN MAKE THIS WORK.
'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA TRY TO PLAN THEIR DAY OR THEIR GROCERY SHOPPING OR THEIR VISIT TO THE GYM OR TO RULE KING ON, ALL RIGHT, WHICH ENTRANCE AM I GOING TO TAKE NOW? YEAH.
AND THEY'RE TAKING AWAY THAT ONE LEFT TURN RIGHT THERE AT THE CROSSWALK.
YOU HAVE ONE POINT OF ENTRY HERE AND TWO POSSIBLE POINTS OF EXIT.
JUST TO TRY AND GET YOUR HEAD.
ANOTHER, ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS IF THIS DOESN'T, IF THIS DOESN'T WORK BASED ON FA TRAFFIC COUNTS, MAYBE WE DO HAVE TO GO BACK.
MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE TO KEEP THIS LEFT OFF, BUT MAYBE WE DO HAVE TO COME BACK AND ADD A SECOND LEFT OUT OF IT THERE.
I SEE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT HERE.
BUT DEFINITELY HAVING A DEDICATED LEFT TURN SIGNAL AND LANE EXTENDED LANE THAT GOES BASICALLY ALL WITH THAT GOES ALMOST THE EXTENT OF WHAT THE SHOPPING CENTER IS.
IF I'M JUST PASSING THROUGH TRYING TO GET THREE 40, I JUST STAY OVER INTO THE FULL RIGHT HAND LANE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ONE'S GOING TO FLOW THROUGH BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HANGING OUT IN THAT LEFT LANE AND IT GETS BACKED UP FROM PEOPLE TRYING TO GO IN.
WHETHER THEY WERE TRYING TO GO STRAIGHT OR NOT, THEY JUST GET STUCK.
ANYBODY ELSE? ADAM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME SO MUCH.
UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE COORDINATING WITH YOU ALL'S PUBLIC WORKS WHEN WE ASSIST ADVANCES WITH AN UPDATED ANALYSIS AND TRAFFIC DATA TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL.
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THANK YOU.UH, ONGOING BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS IS THE FIRST ITEM BUSINESS BROCHURE.
SO WE, SOME MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BROCHURE AND TALK ABOUT SENDING MORE INFORMATION AND UPDATES TO ME.
AND I DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM ANYONE.
SO THAT TELLS ME THAT IT MUST BE REALLY AWESOME AND IT DOESN'T NEED ANY OTHER EDIT AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
ONE MORE MOM GIVE ANOTHER, WE CAN SEND THAT OUT ONE MORE TIME IF WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED.
COULD YOU SEND IT OUT ONE MORE TIME? SURE.
TEXT BECAUSE I GOT ONE OTHER THING AND YOU HAD POINTED OUT SOME OF THE REDUNDANCY YEAH.
SORRY, I THOUGHT I'D SCANNED THAT AND SENT IT.
IT IS BASICALLY, YEAH, IT'S ALL SIGNPOST THINGS IN TERMS OF THE FLOW OF COPY.
SO IT'S NOT CONTENT CHANGES, BUT JUST SOME OF IT'S A BIT, A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT.
I THINK FOR THE CONTENT'S GOOD.
IT'S LIKE AFTER KIND OF EXACTLY.
MAKES LIKE AFTER YOU DO IT, I DON'T, I THINK WITH THE VISUAL REPRESENTATION BEGIN JUST SHORTEN THE PARAGRAPHS.
UH, EXISTING BUSINESS ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? WORKFORCE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT SOME MM-HMM
GOT A RETAIL STRATEGIES UPDATE.
MICHAEL IS, UM, OUR, OUR REP FROM RETAIL STRATEGIES IS GONNA COME IN PERSON ON DECEMBER 1ST TO OUR MEETING AND TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED OR STARTED, UM, THEIR FIRST YEAR WITH THEM.
THEY WILL ALSO BE DOING A TOWN COUNCIL UPDATE THAT EVENING.
BUT YOU GUYS WILL HAVE ALL OF THAT FIRST.
UM, AND WHEN IS OUR NEXT DECISION POINT AGAIN? DO YOU REMEMBER? MID TO LATE DECEMBER? I BELIEVE SO, DEPENDING ON WHAT HE SAYS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STRUGGLE WITH WHETHER OR NOT TO RECONTRACT WITH THEM.
AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, I DON'T, I, I DON'T HOW MUCH THOSE ADDITIONAL AMOUNTS WERE, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD OR AT LEAST CERTAINLY NEXT YEAR'S.
IT SHOULD BE THE SAME EACH YEAR.
I THINK IT'S FIVE AND THEN 25.
AND THE IDEA WAS HAVING A THREE YEAR CONTRACT AND GO DO THE FIRST YEAR, SECOND YEAR, THIRD YEAR.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, DO WE CONTINUE OR IS LIKE WE'VE DONE OUR THREE YEARS? I THINK IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE LONG RANGE GOALS ARE.
I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH COMMUNITIES THAT THEY HAVE FOR 10 OR 15 YEARS IF THE, IF THE MIX IS WORKING RIGHT.
UM, THEY ALSO, YOU KNOW, THEY DO THAT THREE YEARS PRETTY TYPICAL IN THAT WORLD TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A REAL, LIKE THAT FIRST YEAR IS A LOT OF DATA, A LOT OF LET'S START RELATIONSHIPS, LET'S START CONVERSATIONS.
AND THEN YEARS TWO AND THREE ARE CLOSING THOSE DEALS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF WHAT WORKS FOR WHATEVER COMMUNITY IS PARTNERED WITH THEM.
SO, UM, I MEAN $25,000 A YEAR.
I THINK I THOUGHT IT WAS 50 AND EACH ONE WAS 50.
I MEAN, WELL FIFTY'S A LITTLE MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN 25.
BUT AT LEAST BY FACTOR THERE TOO.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF IF YOU FEEL LIKE WE'RE TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION BASED ON WHAT YOU HEAR FROM MICHAEL, I MEAN, HE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU WAY MORE DETAIL ON MM-HMM
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY OBVIOUSLY THEY WANT TO CONTINUE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH US BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, THAT'S THEIR JOB.
AND NUMBER TWO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FIRST YEAR IS REALLY JUST SCRATCHING THE SURFACE.
UM, WHICH HE WAS PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT THAT WHEN, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THIS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED.
UM, THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, SAY, OH, JUST DO ONE YEAR BY YEAR AND JUST KIND OF SEE HOW IT GOES.
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'CAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS DEVELOPS.UM, BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING IN HERE PERSON AND, UM, HEARING WHAT ALL HE WANTS TO UPDATE US WITH.
I THINK WILL HE BE ABLE TO SHARE ANY SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT COMPANIES, SPECIFIC COMPANIES THAT YEAH.
LIKE WHAT IS OUR EXPECTATION WITH INCOMING LIKE THIS? I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE CLEAR EXPECTATIONS FOR OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO CONTINUE IT.
'CAUSE IT'S A LONG TERM THING, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT OUR EXPECTATIONS.
WELL, IN THE PUBLIC HE IS NOT GONNA SHARE PRIVATE INFORMATION BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING.
THAT'S KIND OF MY CAN WE NO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CONSIDERED A CONTRACT.
UH, I, I ASKED, UM, I ASKED AND IT, THAT DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OF A CLOSED SESSION.
UM, WE WILL EXPLORE 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT AT THE CONTRACT STAGE YET.
I THINK THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE WHILE THEY MAY BE HAVING CONVERSATIONS, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A CONTRACT NEGOTIATION US AT THAT POINT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFERENCE COMES IN.
'CAUSE AFTER OUR LAST CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, I DID ASK THAT QUESTION.
UM, AND WE DID NOT MEET THAT CRITERIA AT THIS POINT.
UM, THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS TO HANDLE THAT.
LET ME, LET ME TALK TO SOME FOLKS.
DECENT, SOME PLAYING WITH WORDS.
BUSINESS A IS JUST REDACT WHATEVER LOOKING AT, CAN'T BE SHARED, SHARE EVERYTHING ELSE.
HE WILL, HE WILL PROVIDE US WITH A SANITIZED VERSION OF WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE.
UM, SO IF WE PAID THE MONEY ALREADY, THERE SHOULD BE A PRODUCT THAT HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO AT LEAST GIVE US TO ENTICE US TO RENEGOTIATE OR TO RENEW THE, THE, THE CONTRACT.
WELL MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE PRESENTATION AND ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND THOSE BEGINNINGS OF THOSE RELATIONSHIPS IS THAT PRODUCT.
SO THAT'LL BE OUR EXPECTATION THAT HE'S GOING TO WOO US WITH THAT PRODUCT.
WE CAN'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE HE'S GONNA DO WITH IT.
WELL, HE CAN'T TELL US WHO THOSE VENDORS ARE, BUT HE CAN TALK ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE TARGETING.
HE CAN TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF INDUSTRIES.
THERE WAS A BANK, RIGHT, LIZZIE, THAT THEY HAD WHERE THEY SHOWED US, LIKE, THEY SHOWED US TIERS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE DIFFERENT TIERS OF BUSINESSES.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MAYBE EXPLAIN THE TIERS.
PROBABLY LIKE, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THROUGH THAT.
SO LIKE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE LIKE THE BUNDLE OF, YOU KNOW, X, Y, Z BUSINESSES OR IN THIS TIER.
I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT HE WILL GIVE US AS MUCH DETAIL AS HE CAN WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VENDOR.
WE JUST WANT TO KNOW IF WE'RE, 'CAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE ANOTHER BIG DECISION.
TO TO, AND THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE AWARE
THEY KNOW, THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE, I JUST, I KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE VERY, VERY LIMITED IN OUR OWN FUNDING.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW LIKE IF YOU KNOW HOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I THINK YEAH, WE'RE PROBABLY 95% WE'RE GONNA RENEW.
IT'S A LONG GAME, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WANT THEM, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO BE TELLING THEM THAT RIGHT OFF THE GATE.
I THINK WE WANT THEM TO COME IN GIVING THEM THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY NEED TO SHOW US.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S IN EVERYBODY'S BEST INTEREST.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
I MEAN WE, IT WAS AT LEAST GONNA BE A TWO YEAR DEAL NO MATTER WHAT.
BECAUSE FIRST YEAR IS SO MUCH WORK OF, YOU KNOW, SETTING IT UP.
I MEAN, WE DIDN'T DO THE WORK, BUT, BUT SO WE GOT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LET IT PERCOLATE UNLESS WE THINK, OH, THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING THIS LAST YEAR.
YOU KNOW, THEY, HE CAME IN HERE TOTALLY UNPREPARED AND YADA YADA YADA.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, I THINK, WHICH OF COURSE WE DON'T FORESEE.
I THINK YOUR OBSERVATION IS CORRECT.
OR, OR I GUESS AT WHAT POINT DO WE NEED TO BE SAYING, OKAY, WE NEED SPECIFIC DELIVERABLES, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THAT'S THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS JUST IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND A HUNDRED GRAND, WE'RE AFTER WE'RE AT THE MIDWAY POINT MM-HMM
WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE DELIVERABLES? WHAT'S THE MEASURING HERE THAT WE'RE DOING OF EXPECTATION? WELL, WE SPOKE, WE SPOKE ABOUT ALL THAT INITIALLY AS PART OF THIS, UH, NOT NECESSARILY AGREEMENT AND NOT NECESSARILY WITH 'EM.
BUT WHEN WE DECIDED INITIALLY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM, THAT WAS SORT OF, I THINK WE DISCUSSED OUR EXPECTATIONS AT THAT TIME.
WE DISCUSSED OTHER, OTHER OPTIONS AND, AND, AND WHATEVER.
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I THINK WE HAD A ROUGH UNDERSTANDING MAYBE OF WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE.I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF MEETING THOSE EXPECTATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE DELIVERABLE IS WHAT, SEVEN MORE RESTAURANTS AND TWO SHOPPING CENTERS OR, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S THEIR DELIVERABLE.
THE END RESULT IS WE HAVE MORE TAX BASE.
I MEAN FOR THROUGH, THROUGH A RECOMMENDATION OR THROUGH THEIR DILIGENCE THEY CREATED THAT, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN HAPPENSTANCE.
LIKE I WOULD ARGUE THAT FRANCHISES POP UP ORGANICALLY AND NOT NECESSARILY THROUGH A, THROUGH A GROUP LIKE THIS, BUT, UM, SEE WHAT I MEAN? BUT I THINK, I THINK WE DEFINITELY SPOKE OF THAT INITIALLY.
UM, BOTH ROUNDS EVEN IN THE VERY, YOU KNOW, THE VERY FIRST ROUND.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN WHEN JOE BROUGHT IT BACK UP AGAIN, UM, I MEAN, SO LIKE FOR ME, FOR ME IS ONE OF THE PEOPLE AROUND THE TABLE.
I FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO HIRE THIS GROUP TO GO OUT AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE WERE NOT GONNA HAVE AND DIDN'T HAVE STAFF TO, YOU KNOW, GO OUT AND TALK TO THESE INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES.
AND EVEN IF WE DID HAVE SOME STAFF WE WANTED TO THROW OUT AT THROW AT THE, THAT THING.
IT WAS LIKE, WELL HOW DO WE GET THE CONTEXT RIGHT? SO, SO YEAH, FOR ME IT FELT LIKE IT WAS THE MOST ECONOMICAL WAY TO REACH SOME OF THOSE COMPANIES AND SAY, HEY, COME LOOK AT FRONT ROYAL.
AND SO I, HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT WE GOT THIS LAST YEAR AND WE'LL GET MORE OF IT NEXT YEAR.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE HIS PRESENTATION NEXT MONTH AND SEE WHAT, SEE HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT IN OUR GUTS.
AND SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST FROM THEM MOVING FORWARD, AND I CHECKED THE CONTRACT, UM, IS RIGHT AFTER LAST MEETING, BUT IT WAS THE PHRASE, THE PHRASING, THE PROPOSAL IS BASICALLY UPDATES AS REQUESTED BY CLIENT.
UM, AND I THINK QUARTERLY, KIND OF QUARTERLY UPDATES, A COUPLE OTHER DELIVERABLES.
AND I THINK IF WE ARE KIND OF CLEAR LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GET THAT.
YOU CAN'T SAY, BUT IF WE CAN JUST GET KIND OF A MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT MM-HMM
WHAT, HOW DID YOU HELP US THIS MONTH? AND MAYBE IT'S MORE, MAYBE IT'S LESS, BUT JUST SO WE KNOW AND LIKE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR US MAKING AN AGENDA ITEM, IT'S LIKE, OH, OKAY.
THEY MOVED TO STAGE THREE WITH FIVE MORE PROSPECTS.
I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE ME A LOT OF PEACE OF MIND TO IT.
IT WOULD ALSO, IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW US TO SEE IT.
AND IT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RECURRENCE ENGAGEMENT OF IT.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER WANT TO JUST LET SOMETHING GO.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN ONE WHOLE YEAR WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AGAIN.
BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY, WE, WE HAVE TO REALLY GET TO THE POINT NOW WHERE OUR NEXT INVESTMENT TAKES US TO WHAT THE OUTCOME WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS.
AND I THINK ONE YEAR THAT THEY'VE GOT THEIR KICKSTART, NOW IT'S, HEY, NOW WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED.
EVEN IF MAYBE MONTHLY IS A LITTLE TOO MUCH SOMETIMES.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S HARD TO, TO GET A PAPER BACK TO LIZZIE IN A MONTH THAT THAT'S A BROCHURE.
BUT QUARTERLY WOULD BE GREAT JUST TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT SENSE OF TOUCH BASE GOING INTO THE NEW YEAR OF, OKAY, IN THREE MONTHS THIS IS WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE HAD A YEAR TO PLATFORM THAT.
UM, THAT WOULD WOULD BE AN I THAT WOULD BE IDEAL FOR, FOR A THOUGHT.
I HAVE A REPORT FROM MICHAEL THAT I'M GONNA SEND TO ALL OF YOU.
I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT BULL YEAH.
I, I I MEAN I THINK THAT JUST IN MY RECOLLECTION, I I I BELIEVE WE'VE HEARD AN UPDATE OF SOME REGARD ALMOST QUARTERLY.
I I DON'T THINK IT'S MAYBE WHAT YOU HAVE AN APPETITE FOR.
I KNOW IT'S NOT WHAT I HAVE AN APPETITE FOR.
UM, BUT I THINK WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE BEEN GIVEN SOME INFORMATION, BUT THERE'S BEEN ACCEPTABLE, RIGHT.
I THINK I, WELL I PERSONALLY, LIKE I, I WOULD ARGUE THAT I STILL DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY CAN DO WHAT I WOULD LIKE THEM TO DO.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE OUTSIDE CAN DO WHAT I WOULD LIKE THEM TO DO.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO USE THE DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US.
LAUREN IS SOMEBODY WHO WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO TALK MORE TO IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S APPETITE FOR A NEW SHOPPING, UH, YOU KNOW, A NEW GROCERY STORE WHERE, WHERE CAN WE PUT IT? CAN'T EVEN GET INTO, I MEAN WE, WE CAN WANT IT ALL DAY, BUT IF, IF LAUREN SAYS, I'M SORRY, THERE'S JUST NOWHERE WE CAN PUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN WE'RE, WE HAVE IT, WE HAVE ZONING ISSUES, WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS AND THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STAFF IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL THAT HAVE THIS INFORMATION.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THE CON I I IT'S A RIGHT HAND, LEFT HAND THING.
I DON'T THINK THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE AMONGST THEMSELVES,
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THE INTER DEPARTMENTS.'CAUSE THEY'RE BUSY JUST DOING THEIR, THEIR DAY TO DAY JOB.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE BJ, THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF, OF, OF FINANCIAL DATA THERE THAT HE'S UNWILLING TO PART WITH THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL TO, TO US IN TERMS OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE DO WE HAVE TO GO, WHAT DIRECTION, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE NEED MORE OF? WHAT DO WE NEED LESS OF IN TERMS OF GENERATING HIGHER OR BETTER VALUE? UM, YOU KNOW, TAX BASE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT A MEALS TAX VERSUS PROPERTY TAX FOR, FOR SAY A DATA CENTER, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WELL YOU NEED 20 RESTAURANTS TO MEET ONE DATA CENTER IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET IN, IN, IN RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT.
I'M NOT PRO, I'M NOT SAYING I'M PRO DATA CENTER FOR THOSE AT HOME, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S, THESE ARE, THESE ARE LIKE REAL NUMBER DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE.
AND, AND I THINK THE RETAIL STRATEGIES THAT'S ITS OWN SEPARATE OUTFIT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE, UH, ARE WE GONNA BRING MORE POLISH TO OUR COMMUNITY BY HAVING A PUBLIX? WELL, PUBLIX ISN'T INTERESTED BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T MEET THEIR CRITERIA YET.
AND, AND THAT WAS THAT TIER SYSTEM THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I ALREADY SPOKE OF THAT WE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL A NUMBERS GAME.
THEY, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE MEET A POPULATION DENSITY AND, AND, AND AN ECONOMIC FACTOR, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE ON THEIR RADAR AND UNTIL THAT WE JUST WE'RE IN THE DARK, YOU KNOW, OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE WE'RE DARK TO THEM, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.
THE LIGHT DOESN'T COME ON THEIR MAP UNTIL WE MEET THAT DATA POINT.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ONE COMPELLING DELIVERABLE THAT WE GOT FROM THEM IS LOOKING AT THAT CELL PHONE TRAFFIC.
BUT WE CAN ALSO BUY THAT OURSELVES, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE MOST COMPELLING THING I SAW OUT OF THE PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW? AND CERTAINLY I, I WOULDN'T BE EXCITED ABOUT A WAFFLE HOUSE, UM, AS, AS, AS THE DELIVERABLE, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT IF THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT, I THINK IN TERMS OF, IN SPEAKING TO, TO TOWN MANAGERS PRIOR ABOUT THIS, THAT WAS WHAT THE APPETITE WAS FOR, IS SORT OF GAUGING, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT.
APPARENTLY THERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANYONE, THERE'S FOLKS THAT MOVE OUT HERE AND THEY WANT US TO BE JUST LIKE WE ARE, BUT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, WE NEED D***S, WE NEED A, YOU KNOW, WE NEED ALL THESE THINGS THEY LEFT BEHIND.
BUT, BUT PLEASE DON'T PUT THEM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE WANT THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE WANT ALL THE, ALL THOSE CONVENIENCES.
WE JUST DON'T WANT THEM HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE OR HERE.
AND, AND PLEASE MAKE SURE THE LIGHTS ARE OUT BY EIGHT.
YOU KNOW, AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL YOU'VE JUST BROKEN THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, YOU KNOW? AND IT IS SORT OF, IT'S TRYING TO MEET THOSE EXPECTATIONS.
BUT I, I THINK THAT BOTH THE TOWN MANAGER THAT I SPOKE TO ABOUT THIS EXACT ISSUE, IT WAS LIKE THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S AN APPETITE AND PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHERE FRONT ROYAL IS SO THAT WE HAVE A, A, WE CAN RATCHET DOWN OUR EXPECTATION LEVEL AS TO, TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN LOOK LIKE TOMORROW.
MAYBE IN, IN 10, 15 YEARS, THIS WILL BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT, BUT TOMORROW PUBLIX WILL NOT BE HERE, YOU KNOW, OR, OR YOU KNOW, MANAGER OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT.
I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE AS A BOARD.
AND I, TO REQUEST SOME INFORMATION FROM AN ORGANIZATION WE'VE HIRED AND PAID FOR WITH, WITH PUBLIC FUNDS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HERE THE LONGEST, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO I'M VERY PRICED ALL THAT INFORMATION.
I JUST WANNA DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE THAT LONG.
NOW I JUST WANNA DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
SO IF HE'S GONNA COME IN AND HE'S GONNA SHOW ME THE SAME THING WE SAW THREE YEARS AGO, THEN I DON'T WANT THAT.
I WANT SOMETHING BETTER THAN THAT BECAUSE NOW IT'S A HUNDRED GRAND OUT AND THREE YEARS SETTING ON THE SAME THOUGHT.
AND I KNOW, BUT OUR RESOURCE RIGHT NOW, FOCUS POINT IS THIS, AND I CAN'T CHANGE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR OPERATION OF HOW THEY WORK AND WHO'S DOING WHAT.
I JUST WANNA DO WHAT I CAN DO HERE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I'M HERE EVERY MONTH.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO, UM, SO YEAH.
AND, AND I'M SORRY IT WENT THAT LONG, LIZZIE.
I JUST WANTED TO TRY TO GET SOME OPPORTUNITY.
SO WE DO HAVE THAT ABILITY AS A BUSINESS.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
WHAT, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COME OUT HERE EVERY QUARTER, WHAT IS IT? YOU KNOW? AND I, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK, I THINK IF WE'RE PAYING HIM 4,200 A MONTH, I THINK THAT'S ROUGHLY WHAT IT BREAKDOWN TO.
LIKE BULLET POINT, K, PI, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT ARE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WERE THE INPUTS THIS MONTH? YEAH.
BECAUSE LIKE, KIND OF LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE THE OUTPUTS, ACTUAL DELIVERABLES IS RESTAURANT DOWN THE ROAD.
HONESTLY, I'M MORE IMPRESSED WITH LIZZIE'S DRIVE AROUND WITH HER HUSBAND ONE DAY.
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US, I THINK, MORE INFORMATION THAN, THAN WE HAD FOR MONTHS BEFORE.SO, I MEAN, HONESTLY, AND AGAIN, LET'S GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY, BUT SHE'S EMPLOYED BY THE TOWN AND THAT'S
I JUST THINK THAT WE ALL JUST WANT TO FINALLY GET THROUGH THE GATE WITH IT.
AND YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB DOING THAT, LIZZIE.
SO I REALLY AM HAPPY WE ALL GAVE SOME OPINIONS BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DID, TO CONTRIBUTE.
SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THAT TOO.
I, I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT EVERYONE IS CLEAR ON THE EXPECTATIONS RIDING ON NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING YOU YOU WANNA BRING UP TODAY? I HAVE JUST SOME QUESTIONS AND I I PLEASE DON'T TAKE THEM THE WRONG WAY.
I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA COME OFF THIS WAY.
I, MY LANGUAGE IS SORT OF MORE DIRECT AND I GUESS 'CAUSE I JUST DON'T POLISH IT.
UM, CLOSE YOUR APPLICATIONS REGARDING MAIN STREET FESTIVALS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
HOW LONG IN ADVANCE DO THEY HAVE TO TAKE PLACE? WHAT ARE THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS? WHAT ARE THE, SO BASICALLY APPLICATION DEADLINES, NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, AND THOSE DEADLINES.
ARE THERE SUCH THINGS? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE THAN THAT, BUT WE, WE TRY TO DO THAT 30 DAY MINIMUM, UM, FOR APPLICATIONS COMING INTO THE TOWN.
NOW, AS FAR AS NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, A LOT OF DETAILED DATE SPECIFIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS IN THE PAST, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S COMING WITH THE NEXT ITERATION OF OUR POLICY.
WELL, THE AND, AND THE REASON WHY I ASK, YOU KNOW, SO THEY, THEY, I THINK IT'S ST.
THEY, THEY DO I THINK ALMOST A BIANNUAL MARCH AND A CLOSURE OF MAIN STREET.
UM, AND GENERALLY I GET A WRITTEN FORM FROM THEM SAYING, NOTICE TO BUSINESS, WE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, THIS, THIS MARCH WILL TAKE PLACE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT THEY'RE THE ONLY PEOPLE I'VE EVER GOTTEN ONE FROM.
UM, OTHER THAN YOUR UPDATE, WHICH YOU SEND OUT, I, I THINK KIND OF SEASONALLY, YOU KNOW, BASED ON OBVIOUSLY THE FESTIVALS HAPPENED DURING A CERTAIN SEASON MM-HMM
UM, BUT IN, IN, IN THE LAST ONE, I WENT OUT TO THE BACKSIDE OF MY RESTAURANT TO FIND OUT THAT I COULDN'T LEAVE THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE HIGH STREET WAS BLOCKED, BUT HIGH STREET, THERE WAS NO APPLICATION COULD BE BETTER.
AND OR IT WASN'T ON YOUR, IT WASN'T ON THE THING.
AND I WAS SORT OF LIKE, WELL THAT'S INTERESTING.
AND I, YOU KNOW, AND THAT I DON'T NEED TO FIGHT WITH THE, THE OWNER.
I'VE HAD BARBARA AND I, THE OWNER OF THAT BUILDING OVER THERE.
I'VE HAD PLENTY OF DISCUSSIONS IN TERMS OF, UM, THE WAY DIFFERENT BUSINESSES UTILIZE, NOT HIGH STREET SO MUCH, BUT MORE OR LESS MY PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE LESS PARKING THAN THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM, SO I HAVE TO FIGHT FOR MINE.
UM, SO IT, IT WAS JUST SORT OF A, KIND OF A THING AND YOU KNOW, IN A COUPLE WEEKS PRIOR, I THINK IT WAS CLOUD OR YEAH, CLOUD STREET WAS CLOSED A COUPLE WEEKS PRIOR.
AND YOU KNOW, I I, I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS ISN'T A COMPLAINT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF, OF A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I THINK I, I DEFINITELY KNOW I GOT RESERVATIONS FROM, FROM THE GALLERIES, YOU KNOW, THING.
AND I'M CERTAIN THAT EVERY OTHER RESTAURANT IN TOWN, MAYBE THE MOVIE THEATER AND OTHERS HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN, WHEN RICK HAS A CERTAIN SHOWING, YOU KNOW, MY NUMBERS GO UP AND, AND IT IS JUST SORT OF A SYMBIOTIC, YOU KNOW, RELATIONSHIP AND HE'S WAY DOWN THE STREET FROM ME.
BUT IT STILL HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT, IT'S JUST ONE OF THESE THINGS WHERE IT, I'M JUST CURIOUS IN TERMS OF, BECAUSE I, I KNOW THAT REALLY, THERE'S ONLY ONE TIME THAT I'VE EVER GOTTEN A, THIS IS OTHER THAN THE, THE UPDATE FROM YOU.
BUT THEN I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE IN TOWN GETS THAT OR IF I'M JUST PRIVILEGED 'CAUSE I'M ON THIS BOARD THAT GOES TO ALL MAIN STREETERS THAT I HAVE EMAILED FOR.
UM, AS FAR AS, THANK YOU FOR THAT BY THE WAY.
I, I REALLY APPRECIATE GETTING IT.
I ACTUALLY PRINTED IT OFF AND GIVE IT TO THE THEATER STAFF SO THAT THEY KIND HAVE IT.
WE ARE TRYING TO DO A BETTER JOB OF, OF CHECKING THOSE BOXES.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, IT TOOK SOME TIME FOR US TO MAKE THE PROCESS A LITTLE BETTER INTERNALLY.
AND THEN ONE DAY I SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, I SHOULD JUST SEND THIS SAME THING TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
I I, I AGREE WITH IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AS OFTEN AS IT SHOULD, BUT IT'S, IT'S PROGRESS.
UM, NOW I WANNA CIRCLE BACK REAL QUICKLY TO THE HIGH STREET CLOSURE.
THAT WAS A LAST MINUTE CHANGE.
UM, WE DID, WE DON'T TYPICALLY CLOSE THAT STREET FOR THAT EVENT.
UM, SO THAT PROBABLY WAS A LITTLE JARRING.
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THAT WAS A CHANGE THAT WE MADE A FEW DAYS PRIOR BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL BUSINESS THAT WANTED TO BE INCLUDED IN SPOOKY SATURDAY AND THEY NORMALLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THEY'RE OFF OF MAIN STREET.UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS A ONE OFF.
WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT ONE BEFORE.
UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COOKIE WILL CRUMBLE NEXT YEAR, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TRIED THIS YEAR, UM, IN ORDER TO BE INCLUSIVE TO MORE MAIN STREET BUSINESSES.
AND YOU KNOW, FRANKLY WE DO WANNA PAY ATTENTION TO FOLKS WHO ARE ONE BLOCK BACK AS WELL.
SO IT WAS IMPORTANT THEY WANTED TO BE INVOLVED AND WE WANTED TO
I JUST, IT WAS JUST SORT OF, IT WASN'T ON THE LIST.
AND THEN I WENT OUT AND I SHOULD HAVE EMAILED YOU AND I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THE WAY THAT YOUR PARKING LOT EXITS.
THERE'S NO, NO APOLOGY NECESSARY.
IT'S NOT LIKE I, I HAVE ANOTHER WAY OUT.
BUT IT WAS, IT WAS JUST SORT OF A, IT, IT JUST TOOK US BY SURPRISE, I GUESS A LITTLE BIT.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR ME 'CAUSE I TYPICALLY HAVE REHEARSAL DINNERS ON EVERY ONE OF THESE FESTIVALS IN THE FALL.
AND SO I HAVE 50 PEOPLE COMING INTO A ROOM FOR DINNER, AND THAT'S ASIDE FROM MY REGULAR RESERVATION.
SO I, I, YOU KNOW, IT WAS GREAT BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO TELL THOSE FOLKS ABOUT THE HALLOWEEN THING AND, AND, UM, THEY ACTUALLY RENTED A BUS BECAUSE I KNEW AHEAD.
SO THEY, THEY CAME DOWN AT ONE TIME AND, AND IN A BUS.
AND IT WASN'T, THEY, THEY WERE IN A GROUP OF, I THINK THEY WERE GROUP OF 20, BUT THEY CAME DOWN ON A BUS INSTEAD OF, UH, OF WHATEVER ELSE.
AND SO THAT WAS GREAT THAT I WAS ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PREVENT THAT ISSUE BECAUSE I, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL THIS, THIS BLOCK OR CLOSURE OF MAIN STREET'S GONNA BE DRAMA FOREVER.
SO IT IS JUST, IT IS NEVER GONNA GO AWAY.
YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA MAKE SOMEONE MAD AND SOMEONE HAPPY.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION 'CAUSE I WAS CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY ABOUT THAT, THAT ONE STREET CLOSURE, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE NOTICES GO OUT, BECAUSE I, I, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT ONLY ONE GROUP HAS EVER SAID WE'RE DOING THIS AND, AND THAT NO OTHERS HAVE.
AND IT IS, UM, A REQUIREMENT OF THE APPLICANT TO NOTIFY, UM, UNLESS IT'S THE TOWN.
BECAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY, AND THEN THAT ONE'S ON ME.
NO, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S JUST TO KNOW THE PROCESS.
BUT THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO MAKE THAT NOTICE.
AND IT'S INTERESTING HOW THE WAY SOME OF THEM DO IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? SORRY TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE RETAIL STRATEGIES THING.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHO, DID WE WRITE THE CONTRACT FOR THAT? OR DID THEY WRITE THE CONTRACT? THAT WAS DONE THROUGH COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING? SO WE UTILIZED THE CONTRACT FROM SOME OTHER, IT WAS, IT'S A COUNTY VERY CLOSE TO US, UM, THAT I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF RIGHT THIS SECOND.
YORK OR PETERBURG, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, AND WE, WE UTILIZED THEIR CONTRACT AND MADE SIMILAR DECISIONS FOR OUR CONTRACT AND THAT WAS HOW THAT WAS DRAFTED.
SO JUST A IDEA, UH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA FOR IF WE, IF AND WHEN WE RENEW WHATEVER THE EXPECTED DELIVERABLES SAY QUARTERLY OR MONTHLY UPDATES, THAT WE WRITE THAT INTO THE CONTRACT.
WELL WE HAVE A MEETING HERE, UH, MONTH FROM NOW ON DECEMBER 1ST.
UH, KIND OF A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.