* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY, LET'S [00:00:01] WORK. SO I'M GONNA CALL TO [1. MOMENT OF SILENCE ] ORDER THE REGULAR TOWN COUNCIL MEETING FOR MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 22ND, AND WE WILL START OUR MEETING WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE. I DID WANNA, UM, MAKE A COMMENT. I DON'T NORMALLY DO THAT, BUT IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON, NOT JUST IN OUR NATION, BUT IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I JUST WANT TO ASK THAT EVERYBODY JUST PLEASE THINK ABOUT, UM, OUR COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THE DIVISIVENESS THAT'S GOING ON AND, AND HOPEFUL THAT, UM, IN OUR COUNTRY AND HERE THAT WE CAN FIND SOME WAY TO WORK TOGETHER AND HAVE PEACE. OKAY, NEXT, [2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ] UM, IS OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND AS YOU KNOW, AS MAYOR, I INVITE STUDENTS FROM THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL TO LEAD OUR COUNCIL ON THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND THIS MONTH WE WELCOME MS. ELLA HOLIDAY. GLOCK. ELLA'S GONNA COME FORWARD, UM, AS SHE'S TAKING HER PLACE. I'D LIKE TO SHARE THE ELLA IS THE DAUGHTER OF TIFFANY HOLIDAY AND DEREK GLOCK. ELLA IS A SISTER TO ERIN, AIDEN, ANGELICA AUSTIN, AND LILY ELLA'S IN SEVENTH GRADE AT WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL. ELLA CHEERS COMPETITIVELY FOR ALL STAR LEGACY, WHICH IS A GYM HERE IN TOWN. ELLA ALSO IS A BASKETBALL MANAGER FOR HER SCHOOL. SPEAKING OF SCHOOL, HER FAVORITE SUBJECT IS HISTORY. ELLA'S FAVORITE FOOD IS HER MOM'S FOOD, WHICH I THINK IS A PRETTY GREAT COMPLIMENT. TIFFANY, UH, WHEN ELLEN, WHEN ELLA GROWS UP, SHE'S STILL UNDECIDED, BUT IS LEANING TOWARDS EITHER A COSMETOLOGIST, A NEUROLOGIST, OR MARINE BIOLOGIST. AND HAVING TAUGHT ELLA IN FIFTH GRADE, I FEEL CERTAIN SHE WILL ACCOMPLISH WHATEVER SHE SETS HER MIND TO. ELLA DID WANNA SHARE WITH YOU ALL SOMETHING THAT SHE BELIEVES YOU CAN DO ANYTHING AS LONG AS YOU THINK YOU CAN AND BELIEVE IN YOURSELF. ELLA CHOSE HER GIFT CERTIFICATE, UM, FOR ME TO SPLUNK'S, AND SHE'S RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE THANKING HER FOR HER PATRIOTISM AND PARTICIPATION IN THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2025. SO, ARE YOU READY? PLEASE STAND EVERYONE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. STRONG CHAIR. TIFFANY, DO YOU, ARE YOU GOOD? YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY, MS. PRESLEY, LET'S [3. ROLL CALL ] DO A ROLL CALL. MAYOR COCKRELL HERE. VICE MAYOR ENTAL. HERE. COUNCILWOMAN DE COUNCILWOMAN. D DAMCO PAYNE. HERE. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? HERE. COUNCILMAN OCK? HERE. COUNCILMAN WOOD. HERE. NEXT UP [4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] OUR APPROVAL OF MINUTES. DO I HEAR A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR, MOVE THAT COUNCIL, APPROVE THE COUNCIL MEETING. MINUTES OF AUGUST 5TH OR AUGUST 25TH, 2025. REGULAR MEETING. SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2025, WORK SESSION. AND SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2025. WORK SESSION HAS PRESENTED. SET. OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? YES, MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD FOR THE RECORD THAT I WILL BE ABSTAINING FROM THIS VOTE AS I WAS VIRTUALLY PRESENT OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOR THE LAST WORK SESSION AND LOST SERVICE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH. OKAY. MS. PRESLEY, ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR ENTAL ABSTAIN. COUNCILMAN [00:05:01] OCK? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. NEXT UP ARE ANY ADDITION OR DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA OR ANY REVISION TO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS? OKAY, SINCE THERE ARE NONE, OUR NEXT ITEM WOULD'VE BEEN RECOGNITIONS, AWARDS, REPORTS, OR PRESENTATIONS. AND THIS MONTH WE DO NOT HAVE ANY, SO WE [7.A. Special Use Permit submitted by Shelly Cook/Cook-Knighting Realty II, LLC to Allow a Short-Term Rental at 1408 Old Winchester Pike] WILL MOVE ON NEXT TO, UM, ITEM SEVEN. WE ACTUALLY HAVE SIX DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT. AND SO BEFORE, UM, WE START, UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNSEL TO LEARN OF INFORMATION OF WHICH THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY AWARE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, THEN COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND INDICATE IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. IF THE COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, YOU MAY SIMPLY STATE THAT YOU AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. THERE IS A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR SPEAKERS. AFTER THREE MINUTES, THE MICROPHONE WILL CUT OFF. PLEASE REMEMBER, YOU ARE TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNSEL AND TO REFRAIN FROM WORDS OR STATEMENTS WHICH ARE DEFAMATORY TO SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS OR DISPLAY OTHER DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT INCLUDING OBSCENITY AND VULGARITY. SO, OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SUBMITTED BY SHELLY COOK COOK KNIGHTING REALTY, UH, LLC TO ALLOW A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AT 1408 OLD WINCHESTER PIKE. MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE SUMMARY? COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY SHELLY COOK COOK KNIGHTING REALTY NUMBER TWO LLC FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL, LOCATED AT 1408 OLD WINCHESTER PIKE. THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP 2 0 8 1 2, SECTION EIGHT LOT FIVE, AND ZONED R TWO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO RENT THE ENTIRE HOUSE WITH TWO BEDROOMS AND NO MORE THAN FOUR OCCUPANTS AT A TIME. THE DRIVEWAY PROVIDES TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, MEETING TOWN CODE REQUIREMENTS. STAFF COMPLETED AN INSPECTION ON JULY 30TH, 2025. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. MS. PRESLEY STAFF. I DON'T BELIEVE, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU ALL NEEDED TO ADD OR INCLUDE FOR THIS? NOT AFTER THAT SUMMARY, NO. OKAY. UH, MS. PRESLEY, UH, OH, WELL, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MS. PRESLEY, HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO ONE SIGNED UP. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL. HAD A MAYOR, I MOVE, UH, IN FURTHERANCE OF THE PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES CONTAINED IN TOWN CODE 1 75 1 BI MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SUBMITTED BY SHELLY COOK, COOK KNIGHTING REALTY SECOND LLC FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED 1408 OLD WINCHESTER PIPE TEXT MAP TWO ZERO A ONE TWO SECTION EIGHT BLOCK FIVE SECOND. OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION. AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. SINCE THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, UM, UH, WE WILL DO A ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN CLOC? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. PUBLIC HEARING [7.B. Special Use Permit submitted by Claude Van Sant to allow a Short-Term Rental at 101 The Hill.] B IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, SUBMITTED BY CLAUDE VAN SAN. I HOPE I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT. TO ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTAL AT 1 0 1 THE HILL. MS. PRESSLEY, COULD YOU PLEASE READ THE SUMMARY? COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO CONSIDER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY CLAUDE VAN SAND FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL LOCATED AT 1 0 1 THE HILL. THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP TWO OH A EIGHT SECTION 22 LOT NINE A AND ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO RENT THE ENTIRE HOUSE WITH TWO BEDROOMS AND NO MORE THAN FOUR OCCUPANTS AT A TIME. STAFF COMPLETED AN INSPECTION ON JULY 25TH, 2025, AND FOUND THE INTERIOR IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN CODE. THE DRIVEWAY PROVIDES TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, MEETING TOWN CODE REQUIREMENTS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. STAFF, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NOTHING TO ADD TO THIS. OKAY. UM, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MS. PRESLEY, HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL MADAM MAYOR IN FURTHERANCE OF THE PURPOSES OF OBJECTIVES. OBTAIN TOWN CODE SECTION 1 75 DASH ONE BI MOVE [00:10:01] THAT COUNCIL APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SUBMITTED BY CLAUDE VAN ZANT FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED AT 1 0 1 THE HILL TAX MAP 20 AB SECTION 22 LOT NINE A SECOND. OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION. AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? AND I, AND I MIGHT ALSO ADD TO COUNSEL THAT THIS, YOU COULD ALSO, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER TIME. ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. MS. PRESLEY, ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN LOC? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. ITEM SEVEN [7.C. Special Use Permit submitted by Life Repair Center of Front Royal on behalf of WP Royal Ave LLC, to Allow a Short-Term Rental at 437 S Royal Avenue.] C IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SUBMITTED BY LIFE REPAIR CENTER OF FRONT ROYAL ON BEHALF OF WP ROYAL AVENUE, LLC TO ALLOW A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AT 4 37 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE. MS. PRESLEY, I'LL READ THE SUMMARY. I'LL, I'LL SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT. OKAY. SINCE THERE'S SO MANY COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY LIFE REPAIR CENTER OF FRONT ROYAL ON BEHALF OF WP ROYAL AVENUE, LLC, TO ALLOW A LODGING HOUSE AT 4 37 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE, THE PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP TWO ZERO A SEVEN DASH THREE DASH 10 ZONED C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT, AND LOCATED WITHIN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR, SUFFICIENT PARKING IS AVAILABLE ON SITE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING. SO I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. MS. PRESLEY, HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE HAVE THREE. OKAY. WHO WOULD BE FIRST? STACY PHILPOT. HI, UM, MY NAME'S ELENA BOYLE. I'M NEXT ON THE LIST. STACY IS LATE. SO I WAS JUST GONNA GO AHEAD. UM, SO JUST AFTER YOU STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS. OH, UH, 4 3 7 SOUTH ROYAL AVE. UM, OKAY. I'M THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR AT LIFE REPAIR CENTER AND WE ARE, UM, ASKING FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PURPOSES OF A WOMEN'S SHELTER. UM, IN THE WINTER OF THE LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A A POINT IN TIME SNAPSHOT TAKEN OF HOMELESSNESS IN THE AREA AND FOUND THERE TO BE, UH, 44 HOMELESS FAMILIES, SEVEN OF WHICH INCLUDED CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 19, UM, 15 VETERANS AND, UH, SEVEN INDIVIDUALS WITH MENTAL ILLNESS. UM, A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE SEE WITH HOMELESSNESS THEN EXACERBATE OTHER ISSUES LIKE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, SUBSTANCE USE, UM, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE ARE UNDER GREAT STRESS, THEY'RE LED TO MAKE, UM, SOMETIMES UNSAFE DECISIONS. UM, AND IT OVERALL IS A, A WEIGHT AND A RISK TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, FOR THIS REASON, WE WANT TO CONTRIBUTE THIS SPACE TO HELP THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA. UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPTIONS FOR UNHOUSED INDIVIDUALS AND PARTICULARLY WOMEN, UM, IN THE AREA. SO THAT IS THE, THE PURPOSE OF OUR ASKING FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, PEOPLE COMING TO OUR PRACTICE WHERE WE DO, UH, THERAPY ASKING FOR SUPPORT AND RESOURCES FOR VARIOUS NEEDS. SO WE, WE'VE DEFINITELY BEEN ABLE TO INTERFACE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SEE THE NEED AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FILL IT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . WHAT? CHRISTINE MAHONEY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S CHRISTIE MAHONEY. I LIVE AT 5 0 1 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE. I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF THE NONPROFIT THAT IS OVER THIS PROPOSAL, AS WELL AS I'M THE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE HOUSE OF HOPE, THE MEN'S HOMELESS SHELTER HERE IN FRONT ROYAL. UM, AND ALSO HELP WITH THE, UH, THERMAL SHELTER IN THE WINTER. UM, THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING VERY IN, WE'RE IN NEED OF. UM, I KNOW I GET A LOT OF MESSAGES AND PHONE CALLS AT THE HOUSE OF HOPE OF FAMILIES IN NEED, MOTHERS WITH CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, I ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE A SEVEN PEOPLE ON A WAIT LIST FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. IF IT DOES COME TO FRUITATION. UM, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED AND WE WOULD BENEFIT FROM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS STACY PHIL POD, IS SHE HERE? NO. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING? NO. OKAY. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL MADAM MAYOR AND FURTHERANCE OF THE PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES CONTAINED IN TOWN. CODE 1 75 DASH ONE BI MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY LIFE REPAIR CENTER OF FRONT ROYAL ON BEHALF OF [00:15:01] WP ROYAL AVENUE, LLC TO ALLOW A LODGING HOUSE AT 4 37 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE TAX MAP TWO ZERO A SEVEN DASH THREE DASH ZERO SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? A COUPLE. THE, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD, UH, MAYBE FOR STAFF, AND MAYBE I MISSED IT, BUT HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE THERE ON THE FACILITY ON THE LOT? THE PARCEL RATHER AT THAT SIDE? I THINK THERE WAS 12. 12. I THINK THERE WAS 12. IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, THEIR, UM, APPLICATION WAS FOR NO MORE THAN 10 OCCUPANTS. CAN YOU SPEAK UP, PLEASE? THEIR APPLICATION WAS FOR NO MORE THAN 10 OCCUPANTS, BUT I THINK THAT THERE WERE 12 SPACES, BUT I CAN PULL THE PLAN UP AND VERIFY REAL QUICK. OKAY. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE SAME PROPERTY THAT CAME BEFORE US ABOUT A YEAR AGO. I BELIEVE BARBARA SAMUELS WANTED TO CONVERT AN APARTMENT INTO, UM, HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY. UM, THIS CERTAINLY WOULD BE A, A VERY GOOD USE. AND AS WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR SPEAKERS, THERE'S CERTAINLY A NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR THIS TYPE OF SHELTER. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL? MR. RAPPAPORT, DID YOU NEED THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION BEFORE YOU TAKE ACTION? IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S MORE THAN 10. OKAY. SO, ALRIGHT. JUST IN THE BACK. THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN 10. GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL DO ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR AUGH? YES. COUNCILMAN SEA LOCK? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. NEXT UP IS [7.D. Zoning Text Amendment to Town Code §175-3 - Definitions, to redefine the definition of “overhang” as it pertains to any projection, either roof, bay window or similar cantilevered construction which extends beyond the foundation of a structure.] PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM SEVEN D AND THIS IS ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH THREE. UH, FOR THE DEF FOR THE DEFINITIONS TO REDEFINE THE DEFINITION OF OVERHANG AS IT PERTAINS TO ANY PROJECTION, EITHER ROOF BAY WINDOW OR SIMILAR. AND I'M GONNA HOPE I SAY THIS RIGHT. I SAY CAN'T LEVERED OR CAN'T. IS IT CANTILEVER? CANT LEVER? I ALWAYS SAY CANT LEAVED. OKAY. I, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING CAN'T LEVER CONSTRUCTION, WHICH EXTENDS BEYOND THE FOUNDATION OF A STRUCTURE? THE SUMMARY IS COUNSEL'S REQUESTED CONSIDER ADOPTION OF A ZONING TAX AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH THREE DEFINITIONS TO REDEFINE THE DEFINITION OF OVERHANG AS IT PERTAINS TO ANY PROJECTION, EITHER ROOF PAY WINDOW OR SIMILAR CAN TO LIVE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH EXTENDS BEYOND THE FOUNDATION OF A STRUCTURE. THIS PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT CAME ABOUT AS A REQUEST TO SIMPLIFY THE DEFINITION OF OVERHANG. DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY OF THE CURRENT DEFINITION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REVISION TO THE DEFINITION AS PRESENTED. UM, STAFF, DID YOU, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO SHARE OR NEEDED TO SHARE? NOPE, I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO ONE SIGNED UP. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS? OKAY. I AM GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL MADAM MAYOR IN FURTHERANCE OF THE PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES CONTAINED IN TOWN CODE SECTION 1 75 1 BI MOVE THAT COUNCIL ADOPT A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE SECTION 1 75 DASH THREE DEFINITIONS TO REDEFINE THE DEFINITION OF OVERHANG AS IT PERTAINS TO ANY PROJECTION, EITHER ROOF BAY WINDOW OR SIMILAR CANTILEVER CONSTRUCTION, WHICH EXTENDS BEYOND THE FOUNDATION OF A STRUCTURE AS PRESENTED. SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION. AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? GO AHEAD. YEAH, I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION, MADAM MAYOR. UM, SO WHY THREE FEET AS OPPOSED, WHAT, WHAT IF, WHAT IF, UH, DEVELOPER OR SOMEONE WANTS, WHAT'S TO DO THE THREE FEET ORIGINATED FROM? UM, I MEAN, UH, I SAW THE ARTICLE THERE, THERE WAS A REFERENCE ABOUT, UH, A JOURNAL OR WHATEVER THAT SOMEBODY WROTE, MAKOWSKI OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS HIS NAME. UH, I PROBABLY BUTCHERED HIS NAME, BUT, UH, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY THE, I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL, THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THIS FORMER, OR THE, UH, CODE WAS TO ALLOW FOR SOMEONE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS A LITTLE, A LITTLE MORE INVOLVED THAN JUST A GENERALIZED COMMENT OF THREE, CAN'T EXTEND ANY MORE THAN THREE FEET. SO WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE COUNTY, UM, I THINK I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT THIS. [00:20:01] I THINK THREE FEET WAS KIND OF THE, UM, THE POINT AT WHICH YOU WOULDN'T NEED ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL SUPPORT. SO THREE FEET SEEMED LIKE A FITTING, UM, AMOUNT OF LIKE DISTANCE FROM THE, I GUESS THE FACADE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY TO OVERHANG IT. UM, THAT'S WHERE THAT THREE FEET CAME FROM. YEAH. BUT THAT'S LIKE AN ENGINE. I'M NOT TRYING TO, AND TO THEN THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED AT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TRIAL. UM, THAT'S AN ENGINEERING, UH, TECHNIQUE. IT'S A, IT WAS JUST TO HAVE SOME BASIS, UH, TO DERIVE A NUMBER FROM. SO THERE WAS, THERE HAD TO BE, FOR US, THERE HAD TO BE A REASON TO PICK A NUMBER. AND THAT BEING THE AMOUNT THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT, UM, SEEMS LIKE A GOOD STOCK. SO, SO WHAT I'M, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT, SO WHAT WOULD, SO IF SOMEONE CAME IN AND WANTED THREE AND A HALF FEET OR FOUR FEET, WOULD WE, WOULD THAT BE A SPECIAL USE? WOULD THAT BE A CONDITIONAL USE SITUATION? NO, BUT I THINK IT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE THEIR PLANS REVIEWED AT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. I MEAN, THEY WOULD REGULATE HOW THE, THE STRUCTURE IS, IS MADE, HOW IT'S, HOW IT'S COMPLETED. WE'RE JUST MEASURING AT THAT POINT, THE EXTENSION INTO THE YARDS AND THE LOT COVERAGE. THAT'S ALL ZONING'S CONCERNED WITH THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE ITSELF IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S PURVIEW. UM, BUT FOR THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW FAR IS THAT OVERHANG PROJECTING INTO THE LOT, INTO THE YARDS. AND BY HAVING THE OLD DEFINITION, IT MADE IT SO THAT IF YOU HAD THAT OVERHANG AND YOU HAD A TALLER STRUCTURE, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT, THAT HOME ON THAT LOT. YEAH. I, THE, THE REASON I ASK THESE, I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS IS LIKE, LIKE, UH, I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE AND I, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S STILL THERE OR NOT, BUT THE OLD FRANK'S BUILDING, IT HAD THIS OVERHANG, UH, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE THAN THREE FEET OKAY. PER SE. SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW, HOW, HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE IT. BECAUSE IT JUST SAYING THREE FEET I THINK IS SOMEWHAT RESTRICTIVE. THAT'S, THAT'S, I CAN CHIME IN. I'M, IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE AREA THAT WAS LIKE OVER THE WINDOW, THAT WAS OVER NO DISPLAY. AND THEN THEY HAD AWNING. THEY HAD AWNING. YEAH. IT, WELL, BUT THIS IS SORT OF LIKE AN AWNING, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF IT, IT, IT IS AN AWNING. UH, SO, UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UM, KNOW WHY WE'RE JUST TREATING, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS A GENERAL RULE OF THREE FEET AND NOT ALLOWING ANY CONSIDERATION BEYOND THAT. WELL, PLUS IF I COULD CHIME IN, LIKE SOME OF THOSE ARE THAT IF YOU'RE TALKING MAIN STREET, YOU'VE GOT PLACES THAT MAYBE HANGOVER, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT A STRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS 'EM. SO YOU YEAH. BUT IT COULD, IT COULD BE ANY, ANY, AN ARCHITECT MAY COME UP WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO RES UH, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE MAY BE RESTRICTED, I MEAN, THE NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY, THEY MAY DO SOMETHING MORE OUT OF THE BOX AS OPPOSED, AS OPPOSED TO JUST A, A BOILER PLATE. AND SO I'M CONSIDERING THE THREE FEET, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE BOIL BOILERPLATE. THAT'S ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW IT FITS ON THE LOT. SO IF IT FITS ON THE LOT, THEY CAN HAVE THEIR ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, THEY CAN HAVE AN EXTENSION BEYOND THREE FEET. THIS IS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THIS CALCULATION, WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE. IT CAN BE THREE FEET WAS JUST THE STARTING POINT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T REQUIRE ADDITIONAL POST OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. IT STILL HAS TO FIT THE LOT. SO THERE IS A CALCULATION INVOLVED IN YES, YES. BUT IT, IT JUST, IT HAS TO FIT. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE WERE LIMITED, LIMITED IT TO THREE FEET. NO. AND THAT CALCULATION'S DONE BY THE COUNTY'S BUILDING INSPECTOR. RIGHT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LOT COVERAGE. THAT'S HOW WE'RE CALCULATED. THIS DOESN'T RESTRICT ANY CANTILEVER FROM BEING LESS THAN THREE, I MEAN MORE THAN THREE FEET. NO, YOU CAN HAVE A 10 FOOT CANTILEVER. RIGHT. AS LONG AS IT'S APPROVED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR. YES. I, I JUST NEEDED THAT CLARIFICATION. THAT'S ALL FOR THE SAKE OF THE INTENT OF THE, OF THE ORDINANCE. IT'S, IT'S MORE OR LESS FOR US TO, TO, TO SET, UH, SET A BOUNDARY, IF YOU WILL, IS TO KEEP SOME, SOMEBODY BUILDING A HOUSE AND THEN PUTTING A 20 [00:25:01] FOOT CANTILEVER GOING ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S YARD WITH THEIR FENCE LIKE THIS. RIGHT. WE'RE MAKING SURE THEY'RE RESPECTING THEIR SETBACKS. CORRECT. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF CORRECT. AND IT, IT KEEPS THE BUILDING ENVELOPE CORRECT. YEAH. IT KEEPS EVERYTHING WITHIN, WITHIN THE LOCKED BOUNDARIES, IF YOU WILL. I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF IT. I I UNDERSTAND BRUCE'S QUESTION TO AN, TO AN EXTENT AS WELL, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THEM TO THE RE RESTRUCTURE OF RIGHT. BUT THAT'S A COUNT. YEAH. YEAH. AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS THE INTENT OF THIS IS JUST FOR KEEPING EVERYTHING WITHIN. IT WAS JUST TO SIMPLIFY THINGS. CORRECT? YEAH. KEEPING EVERYTHING WITH, YEP. SO, SO THE MINIMUM IS THREE, THREE FEET. YES. OKAY. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE TAKE A ROLL CALL? COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN OCK? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. NEXT UP IS THE [7.E. Zoning Text Amendments to Town Code §175-151 – Short Term Rentals Performance Standards to Address Modifications Pertaining to Fees, Parking and Applicable Uniform Statewide Building Code Regulations, and Retitle and Recodify Town Code §175-151 to §175-114; and, Update the Location of Performance Standards in the Town Code for Tobacco, Smoke, or Vape Shops from §175-152 to §175-116.] PUBLIC HEARING FOR A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 1 51 SHORT TERM RENTALS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO ADDRESS MODIFICATIONS PERTAINING TO FEES, PARKING AND APPLICABLE UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE REGULATIONS AND RETITLE AND REIFY TOWN CODE 1 75, 1 51 2 1 75 14. AND UPDATE THE LOCATION OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THE TOWN CODE FOR TOBACCO, SMOKE, OR VAPE SHOPS FROM 1 75 DASH 1 52 TO 1 75 DASH ONE 16. THE SUMMARY IS COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF ZONING TAX AMENDMENTS TO TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 1 51 SHORT TERM RENTALS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO ADDRESS MODIFICATIONS PERTAINING TO FEES, PARKING AND APPLICABLE UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE REGULATIONS AND RETITLE AND RE CODIFY TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 1 51 2 1 75 DASH FOUR, AND UPDATE THE LOCATION OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THE TOWN CODE FOR TOBACCO SMOKER VAPE SHOPS FROM 1 75 DASH 52 TO 1 75 DASH ONE 16. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE TEXT REVISIONS TO 1 75 DASH 1 51 AND RE CODIFICATIONS OF 1 75 DASH 51 TO 1 75 14 AND 1 75 15 2 1 75 DASH ONE 16 AS PRESENTED. I FEEL LIKE I JUST READ A BUNCH OF PHONE NUMBERS, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S NOT LIKE IT. OKAY, MS. PRESS, MS. CAPISH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? JUST THAT THE ADDITIONAL PART WITH THAT TOBACCO SMOKE AND VAPE SHOP WAS JUST US GETTING ALL OF THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO ONE ADMINISTRATIVE SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE. RIGHT. NOTHING REALLY CHANGED. IT'S JUST PUTTING IT WHERE IT ALL BE. THERE WAS NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE. IT WAS JUST MOVING IT FROM THE WRONG SECTION. RIGHT. OKAY. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. MS. PRESSLEY, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL IN FURTHER INTO THE PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES CONTAINED IN TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH ONE BI MOVE THAT COUNCIL ADOPT ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS TO TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 1 15 1 SHORT TERM RENTALS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO ADDRESS MODIFICATIONS PERTAINING TO FEES, PARKING AND APPLICABLE UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE REGULATIONS AND RETITLE AND REIFY TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 1 51 TO 1 75 DASH 104, AND UPDATE THE LOCATION OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THE TOWN CODE FOR TOBACCO, SMOKE, OR VAPE SHOPS FROM 1 75 DASH 1 52 TO 1 75 DASH ONE 16 AS PRESENTED. SECOND. OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? YES. UH, MADAM MAYOR, UH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, AMEND THE PROPOSED MOTION. OKAY. WELL, UH, OKAY. YEAH, I THINK , YOU CAN DO THAT. NOW, REMEMBER HOW WE HELD THIS CONFUSION? YOU CAN AMEND THE MOTION NOW. OKAY. CORRECT. MR. SONNET, UH, BY MOTION AND A SECOND. YEP, GO AHEAD. OKAY. UH, MADAM MAYOR, IN FURTHERANCE OF THE PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES CONTAINED IN TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH ONE B, MOVE THAT COUNCIL ADOPTS ZONING TAX AMENDMENTS TO TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 1 51 DASH SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO ADDRESS MODIFICATIONS PERTAINING TO FEES, PARKING, AND APPLICABLE UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE REGULATIONS. AND MADAM MAYOR, I WILL GO FURTHER, UH, TO EXPLAIN WHY THERE'S NO SECOND. WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND BEFORE THERE'S DISCUSSION. I'M GONNA SECOND IT TO SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS . OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. OKAY. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WOOD. UH, THE REASON FOR [00:30:01] THIS IS, UH, IN, IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, UH, WORK SESSIONS I HAD HAD, UH, REQUESTED THAT WE, WE SPLIT IT BECAUSE THE RE THE CODIFICATION, UH, AWAY FROM THE SHORT TERM RENTAL CHANGE, UH, PARKING. AND THE REASON IS IT, IT INVOLVES THE PARKING PER SE. SHORT TERM RENTALS, IN MY OPINION, ARE DEFACTO BUSINESSES, I THINK IT'S NOT EVEN IN MY OPINION, BUT, UH, WE GET TAX REVENUE. IRS LOOKS AT IT AS A, AS A BUSINESS. UH, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE, THE WAY THE, THE ORDINANCE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, MY PROBLEM IS WITH CODE E, UH, SUBJECT E UNDER 1 75 1 14. SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHERE IT STATES AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USE PROPERTY SHALL BE EXEMPT FROM OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 48, 8 70. UH, WHEN YOU GO TO 1 48, 8 70, THE TABLE STATES UNDER 1 48, 8 70 A 0.2, THE MINIMUM IS TWO PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT. AND I WILL GO FURTHER TO SAY IT'S ONE PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM, I BELIEVE ON, UH, I MAY MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THAT, BUT, UH, THE, THE MINIMUM IS TWO PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT. SO THE KEY HERE IS WE'RE THESE ARE BUSINESSES. THEY'RE MAKING PROFIT ON THE RESIDENTIALS. UH, I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH CONTINUING TO, UH, REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE OFF STREET PARKING. IN ADDITION, THIS WILL NOW PUT MORE CARS ON OUR PUBLIC STREETS, WHICH THEY CAN, THEY CAN RIGHT NOW DO. HOWEVER, UH, IT, IT, IT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC AS WE GO FORWARD AND WE GROW. SO THAT, THIS IS THE REASON WHY I WANTED IT. I WANTED IT SPLIT OFF, BUT GIVEN THAT THERE'S A MOTION TO RETAIN THE, UM, BOTH ITEMS ON THE SAME MOTION, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS BECOMES PROBLEMATIC FOR ME BECAUSE I WANT, I WANNA SUPPORT THE REIFICATION, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THE REIFICATION IF, BECAUSE I HAVE TO VOTE YES OR NO ON THE, ON THE, THE, UH, SHORT TERM, UH, PARKING, UH, AMENDMENT CHANGE. SO, UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S MY EXPLANATION. MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION ARE YOU'RE NOT FINISHED. SURE. NOPE. FINISHED? NO, I'M, I'M FINISHED. YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SPEAK, UH, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE PERMISSION. UM, WE DISCUSSED THIS AT SEVERAL WORK SESSIONS AND WE REQUESTED INPUT FROM THE COUNCIL DURING THOSE WORKING SESSIONS AND STAFF. AND THE MAJORITY APPETITE OF THIS COUNCIL WAS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH BOTH OF THEM BEING IN ONE AS A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE REIFICATION OF THE TOBACCO SMOKE AND VAPE SHOPS DONE AS WELL TO A, BE EFFECTIVE TOWARDS STAFF. AND AS MR. RAPPAPORT IS OFTEN IN FAVOR OF THIS WAS, UM, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH NO COMMENTS TO BREAK THESE TWO, UM, TOWN CODE, UH, AMENDMENTS INTO TWO SEPARATE ACTION ITEMS. ALSO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT WE HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS ON PARKING THAT'S REMAINED SINCE PRIOR TO YOUR TIME WHEN COUNSEL, YOU WILL NEVER SUPPORT NOT HAVING OFF STREET PARKING FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL. UM, AND SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. HOWEVER, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THERE ARE MANY HOUSES THAT DO NOT HAVE POINT, POINT OF ORDER, POINT OF ORDER. I'M IN AN [00:35:01] ORDER POINT OF ORDER. OKAY. I WILL NOT BE ATTACKED. THAT'S NOT AN ATTACK. OKAY. POINT OF ORDER. I'M IN ORDER. OKAY. SO, AS I WAS SAYING, THERE ARE HOUSES IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL THAT DO NOT PROVIDE OFF STREET PARKING OR A LOT SIZE WHERE THEY COULD ADD OFF STREET PARKING. FURTHERMORE, THERE ARE MANY RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL THAT RUN BUSINESSES THAT ARE REPORTED TO THE IRS OUT OF THEIR HOMES, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY IN THEIR PARKING. FURTHERMORE, MANY OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE LONG-TERM RENTALS IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL REQUIRE NO PARKING RESTRICTIONS, NO SPECIAL USE PERMITS, NO ORDINANCES FOR THEIR PARKING. THEREFORE, MY FAMILY OF EIGHT COULD LIVE IN A LONG-TERM RENTAL, AND ALL, ALL EIGHT OF US COULD HAVE TWO CARS A PIECE. AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT THE TOWN CODE WOULD SAY OR STATE TO OTHERWISE DETER THAT. SO FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL, PEOPLE OFTEN COME, THEY SPEND MONEY, THERE'S LODGING TAX, WE'RE STILL GETTING THE REAL ESTATE PROPERTY TAXES OFF THAT HOUSE. WE'RE GETTING MEALS TAX, WE'RE GETTING SALES TAX. IT'S INCREASING OUR TOURISM. UM, AND IT'S NOT BURDENING THE PROPERTY OWNER TO GIVE THEM THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO BOTH. UM, NO THANKS TO GOVERNOR NORTHAM. DURING COVID, THEY GAVE THE VIRGINIA TENANTS AND LANDLORDS ACT, WHICH GAVE TENANTS THE RIGHT TO NOT LEAVE A HOME DURING COVID, AND IT MADE IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO EVICT SOMEBODY DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY WEREN'T PAYING THEIR RENT. SO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE APPLIED FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL SO FAR AREN'T EVEN ACTUALLY USING THEIR RENTALS AS SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT IT GIVES THEM THE FREEDOM AND THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO SO IF THEY WISHED. UM, BECAUSE WITH A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, YOU DO HAVE A LOT MORE LEVERAGE, UM, FOR YOUR OWN PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE TENANTS WHEN THEY'RE STAYING LESS THAN 14 DAYS. UM, SO I THINK THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA ADDRESS THE PARKING ISSUE. THERE'S NOT GONNA MAGICALLY APPEAR IN THE 1950 SUBDIVISIONS WHERE THERE'S NO OFF STREET PARKING A PLACE TO PROVIDE OFF STREET PARKING, NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY THOSE HOUSES MAKE. AND I AM IN FAVOR OF, UM, HOMEOWNERS RIGHTS AND, AND THE RESIDENTIAL CUL-DE-SAC THAT I LIVE IN, ANY OF THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE RENTED, THEY CAN COME PARK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE DOWN THE CURB, DOWN ANY STREET. IT'S OPEN PUBLIC PARKING AND THE PARKING ISSUE IN FRONT ROYAL WILL NOT BE SOLVED AND ANY OF OUR LIFETIMES. SO I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S RIGHT TO HINDER PEOPLE FROM MAKING MONEY AND UTILIZING THEIR PROPERTIES AS THEY SEE FIT WITHIN THE TOWN CODE, DESPITE THE PARKING CHALLENGES THAT WE SEE ON MAIN STREET, CHESTER STREET, AND MANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS HERE IN FRONT. ROYAL. WHAT'S ON, UM, WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON, UH, TO, TO, FOR THE DISCUSSION FOR THIS IS THE AMENDED MOTION, WHICH IS ABOUT, UM, TO APPROVE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, 1 75 DASH 1 51. SO, UM, IT DID THE, THE AMENDED MOTION DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PART ABOUT THE VAPE SHOPS. SO IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AMENDED MOTION? YES. A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THIS MEANS THAT STAFF WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AT A DIFFERENT TIME TO HAVE THE CODIFICATION OF THE VAPE SHOPS TOBACCO AND SMOKE REHEARD, CORRECT? CORRECT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. YES. UH, THE, UH, THE, THAT THIS, THIS WAS BOTCHED IN THE BEGINNING. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPLIT PERIOD. OKAY. UH, THEY, THEY, THEY WERE TWO SEPARATE. THEY, THEY WERE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES, AND THE REIFICATION COULD, COULD BE DONE AT ANY TIME. OKAY. SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH MY, WITH MY MOTION. THAT'S YOUR OPINION, OKAY. THAT IT WAS BOXED. WELL, YEAH, THAT'S MY OPINION. SO, COUNCIL MEMBERS, LET ME JUST SAY THAT AT THE WORK SESSION, AGAIN, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP. WE, AT THE TIME, THIS SAME CONVERSATION WAS BROUGHT UP, THERE WAS NOT A CONSENSUS TO SPLIT THEM UNLESS SOMEBODY REMEMBERS IT DIFFERENTLY THAN I, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT REMEMBERS? WE, I BELIEVE THIS WAS BROUGHT UP AND, UM, THERE WAS NOT A CONSENSUS TO SPLIT THOSE. SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'D CHARACTERIZE IT AS BOTCHED. I THINK STAFF'S WORKED HARD. UM, BUT SO I'M GONNA SAY AGAIN ON RIGHT NOW, ON THE TABLE IS THE AMENDED MOTION. UM, AND SO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION. SO, MADAM MAYOR? YES, I'D LIKE TO, CAN I MAKE ANOTHER AMENDED MOTION? I'M SORRY. I CAN MAKE YET ANOTHER AMENDED MOTION. I BELIEVE YOU CAN. YEP, CORRECT. MR. SONNET, OR DO WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THE FIRST, A AMENDED MOTION? NO, THERE CAN BE ONE MORE AMEND. THERE CAN ONLY BE TWO. THERE COULD BE ONE MORE AMENDED. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE UP AND FURTHERANCE OF THE PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES CONTAINED IN TOWN CODE SECTION 1 75 DASH ONE BI MOVE THAT COUNSEL WILL ADOPT ZONING AT TEXT AMENDMENTS TO TOWN CODE [00:40:01] SECTION 1 75 DASH 1 5 1 SHORT TERM RENTALS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO ADDRESS MODIFICATION PER PERTAINING TO FEES, PARKING, AND APPLICABLE UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE REGULATIONS AND, AND RETITLE AND REIFY TOWN CODE SECTION 1 7 5 DASH FIVE AND ONE TOOK SECTION 1 5 1 7 5 DASH HUNDRED FOUR AND UPDATE THE LOCATION OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THE TOWN CODE FOR TOBACCO, SMOKE, AND VAPE SHOTS FROM SECTION 1 75 DASH 15 TWO TO SECTION 1 75 DASH 16 AS PRESENTED. SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDED MOTION? THE SECOND AMENDED MOTION, MADAM MAYOR, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THE REASON I'M, I MADE THIS MOTION, UH, MOTION TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ONE AS PRESENTED WAS THE FACT THAT THE TOBACCO SECTION OF IT IS JUST MOVING. IT'S JUST A VERBIAGE, IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A CLERICAL, UH, CLARIFICATION. IT'S NOT A SUBSTANCE. I MEAN, THE, THE VERBIAGE WAS ALREADY THERE FOR THE TOBACCO AND VAPE SHOP. SO JUST EVERYBODY'S CLEAR. THIS JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO FIND, TO FIND THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE. SO IT'S NOT TO CHANGE ANY SUBSTANCE OF IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S CLEARLY A CLERICAL CHANGE. THAT'S WHY IT SAYS CHANGE FROM ONE SECTION TO ANOTHER SECTION. SO, UH, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. UM, AGAIN, IT'S JUST, I, I DON'T, I REALLY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, THE BOTCHED, UH, THOUGHT IS, BUT I MEAN, IF, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, AT LEAST THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, UH, I THINK WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING HERE FOR THE PAST COUPLE WORK SESSIONS. SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. HOW MUCH WILL IT COST TO RE ADVERTISE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING JUST TO SIMPLY REIFY THE TOWN? TOBACCO, SMOKE OR VAPE SHOPS? IT'S BY THE WORD, BUT TYPICALLY WE AVERAGE ABOUT $150 FOR ADVERTISEMENTS. SO NOT ONLY WOULD THIS PUSH IT BACK OVER 30 DAYS, THE TOWN WOULD'VE TO PAY AGAIN FOR RE-ADVERTISING FEES, AND WE'D HAVE TO HOLD ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE WE COULD TAKE ACTION. UM, THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MADAM MAYOR? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD. WE FIND OURSELVES AGAIN AT THIS CROSSROADS OVER PARKING. UM, STARTS WITH IT, IT STARTS WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND WHETHER YOU LIKE 'EM OR DON'T LIKE THEM, UM, THEY DO COMPETE WITH OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE OUT HERE PAYING TAXES. AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT MANY TIMES, AND EVERY TIME A SHORT TERM RENTAL COMES BEFORE US AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, HOWEVER THEY INSIST UPON OR ADD TO THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY CREATE OFF SEAT PARKING, OFF STREET PARKING, UM, TO MATCH A NUMBER OF BEDROOMS AS IN THE CURRENT CODE, WE FIND THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL, UM, WAIVES THAT PARKING. AND WE HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIMES, WHY DON'T WE CHANGE THE CODE AND NOT, NOT MAKE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION SEND SOMETHING TO US THAT WE'RE IN TURN GOING TO CHANGE AND NOT DO. BECAUSE AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL FEELS, UM, THE PARKING SHOULD BE FREE, FREE FOR ALL, AND YOU DON'T NEED, UM, ANY TYPE OF ONSITE PARKING. SO I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE. I THINK THAT, UH, AND TO THE VICE MAYOR'S COMMENT, I DO HOPE THAT WE SOLVE THE PARKING ISSUES IN OUR LIFETIME. MAYBE NOT IN MINE, BUT CERTAINLY IN YOURS. UM, IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR FROM BUSINESSES AND CITIZENS ABOUT THE PARKING IN THE TOWN. SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT MATTER, I'M OKAY MOVING FORWARD WITH IT, EVEN THOUGH I'M AGAINST TAKING THAT RESTRICTION AWAY FROM THE PARKING ON THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AMENDED MOTION, WHICH INCLUDES TO, UM, APPROVE BOTH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL CHANGES AND JUST MOVING THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO THE NEW LOCATION? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, MADAM MAYOR, I, I WILL, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, BEING THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE BUSINESSES, THE BUSINESSMAN SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM INVESTING IN PARKING SPACES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT THEY WANT TO RENT TO. IF I OPEN UP A MOTEL, I HAVE TO PROVIDE PARKING SPACES. IF I OPEN UP A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND I'M MAKING MONEY ON THAT, I SHOULD PROVIDE PARKING SPACES. UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIVING OFF, UM, THE PUBLIC'S. THEY'RE BASICALLY LIVING OFF THE PUB PUBLIC'S DOLLAR BY PARKING ON THE STREET. THE REALITY IS, IS, IS IF YOU WANT TO BE IN BUSINESS, THEN LET'S PLAY FAIR. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. [00:45:01] IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? YEAH. UH, MADAM MAYOR? YES, SIR. JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, SINCE THE NATURE OF THIS AMENDMENT IS THE ORIGINAL MOTION YES. UH, CONTRARY TO NORMAL PROCEDURE, IF, IF THIS IS, THIS VOTE, WOULD WOULD END THE MATTER. IT THERE WOULD NOT BE A SECOND VOTE AS NORMAL. RIGHT. NORMALLY THERE'D SAME AS THE, IT'S THE SAME VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION, BUT I THINK EVERYONE ON COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'RE BACK TO THE BEGINNING, SO, YEAH. WELL, I COULD BE DIFFICULT AND I COULD AMEND THE MOTION AGAIN. THERE'S ONLY TWO. YOU ONLY HAVE TWO AMENDED. ONLY TWO. SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS LATEST MOTION, OKAY. I JUST DON'T BE, I DON'T, MAYOR, I JUST DON'T LIKE BEING PUSHED INTO VOTING NO. FOR SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO VOTE YES FOR. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT. YES. I TOTALLY RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. AND I, AND I, AND I WOULD THINK THAT ANYONE WHO WOULD BE WATCHING AND VIEWING OR READING ABOUT THIS WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT YOU HAD, THAT YOU SUPPORT THE PART ABOUT THE VAPE SHOPS, BUT YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE PART ABOUT THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND IF NO ONE DIDN'T GET THAT, THEY SHOULD GET IT NOW. 'CAUSE I JUST SAID IT, SO I, I DO RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM, BUT THAT IS THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. SO IF, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN SEA LOCK? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPORT? NO. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DE DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. NEXT UP IS ITEM [7.F. Zoning Text Amendments to Town Code §175-84.B – Board of Architectural Review, to Add Language Restricting the Redevelopment of Historic Residential Sites to Single-family Dwelling Units in the Residential Area of the Town’s Historic District, and Town Code Chapter 175-29 – Uses Permitted by Right (R3), to Add Language Preventing the Conversion of Single-Family Residential Structures into Multifamily or TwoFamily Dwellings] SEVEN F. UM, AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ZONING TAX AMENDMENTS TO TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 84 POINT B BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW TO ADD LANGUAGE RESTRICTING THE REDEVELOPMENT OF HISTORICAL RESIDENTIAL SITES TO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA OF THE TOWN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT AND TOWN. CODE CHAPTER 1 75 DASH 29 USES PERMITTED BY RIGHT R THREE TO ADD LANGUAGE PREVENTING THE CONVERSION OF SINGLE FAMILY RES RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES INTO MULTI-FAMILY OR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS. MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU READ THE SUMMARY PLEASE? COUNCIL'S REQUESTED TO ADOPT ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS TO TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 84 B BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW TO ADD LANGUAGE RESTRICTING THE RED REDEVELOPMENT OF HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL SITES TO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA OF THE TOWN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT AND TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 75 DASH 29 USE IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN R THREE TO ADD LANGUAGE PREVENTING THE CONVERSION OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES INTO MULTIFAMILY OR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE TAX REVISIONS AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. AND WE'LL START OFF WITH STAFF, MR. PETTY, I BELIEVE. UM, THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. SO I'VE BEEN CHATTING WITH, UH, BOTH OUR PLANNING STAFF AND THE BAR REGARDING THIS SPECIFIC AMENDMENT. I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE INTENT IS TO PREVENT AND PROTECT OUR RESIDENTIAL AREA OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT WE FOUND THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME CONFLICTING LANGUAGE IN THIS DRAFT. SO THERE ARE JUST A FEW CHANGES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT COULD BE ADDED TO THE MOTION. THEY DON'T MAKE THE ORDINANCE ANY MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN IT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED, BUT THIS CONTINUES TO MEET THAT INTENT OF PROTECTING AND PRESERVING THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ASPECT OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE CODE, THERE WERE JUST A FEW CHANGES THAT I REQUESTED, AND ONE OF WHICH WAS IN 1 75 84 B, WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE THE WORD LIMITING DEVELOPMENT OF UNDEVELOPED LOTS TO SINGLE FAMILY USE. AND THE REASON BEING IS WE ARE TALKING IN SOME OF THIS AS THE ENTIRE HISTORIC DISTRICT, NOT JUST THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SO WE WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT PROPERTIES WITHIN THE BUSINESS AREA OR THE COMMERCIAL AREA TO SINGLE FAMILY. SO WE JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS ONLY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, BUT IT DOES STILL STATE IN THERE PROTECTING SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES. THERE ARE NINE 10, UM, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT PRESERVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, THERE WOULD BE THE PREVENT, UH, THE CONVERSION OF EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS INTO MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS, WHICH WE WOULD KEEP. BUT AGAIN, THEN IT WOULD BE TO REMOVE NUMBER 11, [00:50:01] WHICH STATES TO ENSURE ALL NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS LIMITED TO SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES. ONCE AGAIN, WE FELT THAT THAT WAS COVERING THE WHOLE DISTRICT. UM, AND THEN THE LAST SECTION WOULD BE, CURRENTLY THE DRAFT JUST OUTRIGHT PROHIBITS DUPLEXES, TOWNHOUSES, AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS WITHIN THE R THREE DISTRICT AS BUYRIGHT. WHERE I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE ACTUALLY MOVE THOSE MULTIFAMILY USES IN THE R THREE TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHEN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO EXISTING, UM, PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AS YOU MAY KNOW, THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT WOULDN'T MEET THIS CURRENTLY. WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE STILL PROTECTED AND THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THIS TYPICAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING. SO REMOVING THOSE THREE, INSTEAD OF JUST OUTRIGHT ELIMINATING THEM FROM THE R THREE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT WOULD STILL ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO APPLY FOR THEM THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO IT'S STILL PREVENTING THEM FROM BEING BY RIGHT. THEY JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION, UM, THERE IF THESE, UH, CHANGES ARE ACCEPTABLE, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THOSE ANY FURTHER IF YOU'D LIKE. I THINK YOU HAVE A QUESTION, GEORGE. OKAY. I THINK I'LL GO AHEAD THEN. I THINK COUNCIL HAS A, OH, JUST MADAM. WELL, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, MADAM. WELL, MADAM MAYOR, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME FOR COUNCIL QUESTIONS OF STAFF. OKAY. UH, AS OPPOSED TO AFTER A MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR. OKAY. MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD BE TO MS. CAPISH OR TO MR. PETTY, UM, WHOEVER CAN ANSWER IT. ARE THERE CURRENTLY, UM, DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES IN THE RESIDENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT? YES. YES, THERE ARE. YES. AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF THIS ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT WERE TO PASS AND THE DUPLEXES OR TOWNHOMES WERE TO BE BURNT DOWN THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING IN PLACE THERE, THEY COULD NOT BE REDEVELOPED UNDER THE AMENDED MOTION. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT UNDER THE CURRENT MOTION AND THE PACKET AS PRESENTED, IF A CURRENT STANDING TOWNHOME OR DUPLEX ALREADY EXISTING IN THE HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL ZONE, IF IT SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO IT, AN ACT OF GOD, IT COULD NOT BE REDEVELOPED AS IT SETS WELL WITH INSURANCE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECT. BUT THIS ORDINANCE, THIS TEXT AMENDMENT PROHIBITS THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT. THEIR INSURANCE WOULD HAVE TO PAY THEM FOR THE COST OF THE HOME. YES. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO ELSEWHERE. YES. THANK YOU. YES. AND AND THIS WOULD, YEAH. AND SO NOW THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM THE SUP PROCESS, CORRECT? IF THE AMENDED A MOTION WERE TO BE PRESENTED AND APPROVED. CORRECT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST WANTED FOR COUNSEL FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR STAFF, FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING AND PROCESSING. SO I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT THAT WAS CORRECT AND FACTUAL. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? AND OF COURSE, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED, IF AND MOTIONS MADE. YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK STAFF QUESTIONS THEN, BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. I AM GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MS. PRESLEY, IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE HAVE FOUR. OKAY. ELLEN AERS. HELLO, MY NAME IS ELLEN ERS. I LIVE AT TWO 19 PROSPECT STREET. AND, UM, I'VE ALREADY SHARED MY THOUGHTS ON THIS, BUT I DID WANNA COME BACK AND LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT I SPOKE WITH CHAIRMAN WATERS AND HE'S SICK TONIGHT AND THAT'S WHY HE'S NOT HERE. AND HE WANTED ME TO CONVEY THAT FOR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS TO PRESERVE THE ARCHITECTURE IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AND SO WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. UM, COUNCILMAN DENAL SPECIFICALLY ABOUT BUILDING BACK, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE CIRCLED BACK AROUND AND OFFERED A PATH FORWARD WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE TOWN HOMES AND DUPLEXES. IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO THEM, THEY STILL HAVE A PATH FORWARD. UM, WE BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT THE PROPERTY VALUES WOULD GO UP IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THAT IF YOU PASS THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT , UH, IT WOULD ENCOURAGE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND NEW HOMEOWNERS IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. ALSO. UM, AND I DON'T WANNA BEAT A DEAD HORSE, BUT YOU GAVE ME A SOFTBALL TO TALK ABOUT PARKING, AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS DRIVE DOWN CLOUD STREET AND BLUE RIDGE AND SEE WHERE THE HOMES THAT WERE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CONVERTED INTO MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, THE PARKING'S A NIGHTMARE AND IT'S UNSAFE. AND, AND, AND, UM, THAT'S JUST A FURTHERANCE AS TO WHY [00:55:01] THOSE SHOULD STAY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. THAT'S THE WAY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS DEVELOPED, AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD STAY. SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE FULL PROCESS, BUT IF YOU CAN VOTE ON THE AMENDED AMENDMENT, I HOPE THAT THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL CONSIDER DOING TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. PRESLEY. WHO'S NEXT? KATIE SNYDER. HELLO, NAME IS KATIE SNYDER, 5 0 7 GRANDVIEW DRIVE. I HAVE SERVED ON THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR ALMOST FOUR YEARS, AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE RECONSIDER, PLEASE CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE BOARD'S AMENDMENT. AMENDED AMENDMENT TO REJECT THIS AMENDMENT WOULD BE CONTRADICTORY TO THE BOARD'S MISSION. WE WORKED CAREFULLY ON THIS AMENDMENT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. PLANNING COMMISSION CONCLUDED THAT THIS AMENDMENT WOULD IMPROVE THE VALUE OF THESE HOMES TO THE BENEFIT OF THE HOME HOMEOWNERS AND TO THE TOWN. AND THEY RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE APPROVED IN LIGHT OF ANY HESITATIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THINK OF NEARBY WARRENTON WINCHESTER. THESE TOWNS HAVE SUCCEEDED IN PRESERVING THEIR HISTORIC CHARM. THEY HAVE ATTRACTED TYPES OF PEOPLE WHO LOVINGLY RESTORE HOMES TO THEIR STATELY GRANDEUR, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, WOULD SEEK TO ADD AN ATTRACTIVE CONTRIBUTION THAT IS IN ACCORD WITH THE AESTHETIC WE ARE SEEKING TO PRESERVE. AND YES, THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THOSE TOWNS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE PROPERTIES THAT COMES WITH THE TERRITORY. I DON'T WANNA SOUND UNSYMPATHETIC, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE OUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO. WE CAN'T HAVE BEAUTIFUL, CHARMING, HISTORIC HOMES THAT ARE ALSO CHEAP TO BUY AND MAINTAIN. AS WONDERFUL AS THAT WOULD BE, IT'S JUST NOT REALITY. ON THE FLIP SIDE, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF APPLYING TO BECOME A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH WOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO GRANT MONEY THAT CAN AID RESIDENTS IN RESTORING THEIR HOMES AND MAINTAINING THE STANDARDS FOR WHICH WE ARE STRIVING WE CAN DO BETTER. AND IF WE KEEP OUR STANDARDS HIGH, THEY WILL BE MET. WE LISTENED TO YOUR CONCERNS AND REVISITED THE WORDING TO ACCOMMODATE CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH ONE MIGHT HAVE THE RECOURSE TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING TO SEE HOMES ABANDONED AND FALLING INTO DISREPAIR YEAR AFTER YEAR, BUT WE WANNA DO THINGS RIGHT AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME. REST ASSURED, WE DO NOT WISH TO KEEP THE STATUS QUO, BUT WE NEED YOUR COOPERATION TO BE ABLE TO DO OUR JOB THE RIGHT WAY. YOU CAN CHOOSE TO CALL OUR AMENDMENT A RESTRICTION BY THAT LOGIC, BUT THE BOARD'S, THE BOARD'S ENTIRE PURPOSE IS TO RESTRICT PROPERTY OWNERS AND TELL THEM WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT BUILD. I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF PROPERTY OWNERS' RIGHTS, BUT THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH SOME LIMITS ARE GOOD AND EVEN NECESSARY. SO YOU CAN CHOOSE TO SEE THIS AMENDMENT AS A RESTRICTION, OR YOU CAN CHOOSE TO SEE THE AMENDMENT AS A PROTECTION, A VERY BASIC STANDARD TO ASSIST THE BOARD IN CONTINUING TO FULFILL OUR DUTIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MS. PRESLEY. DAVID SI MATTER MAYOR ARE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. DAVID SAK, 2 95 WEST MAIN STREET. UM, I WAS ON THE BOARD THAT WROTE THE CURRENT HISTORICAL DISTRICT GUIDELINES. I WAS APPOINTED BY THEN MAYOR CLAY ATHE FOLLOWING THE FIRST HORRIBLE INCEPTION OF THE HISTORICAL CONTROL GUIDELINES OR HISTORICAL DISTRICT. AT THAT POINT, I CALLED IT THE HYSTERICAL DISTRICT BECAUSE IT WAS HYSTERICAL IN THE RULES THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED. I THINK IT WAS MRS. FOGLE THAT WAS INTEREST INSTRUMENTAL IN THE FIRST FAILED HISTORICAL DISTRICT. THEN WE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS WORKING ON REDRAFTING THE ORDINANCE. I THINK MR. ATHE CALLED IT HIS BLUE RIBBON C UH, BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE. EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME WAS A MEMBER OR OWNED PROPERTY IN THE DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED REVISIONS ARE APPROPRIATE. I HAVE WATCHED THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DEVELOP LITERALLY SINCE ITS INCEPTION, THE CURRENT HISTORIC DISTRICT SINCE ITS INCEPTION. WE WATCHED HOW THE FIRST DISTRICT FAILED. WE WATCHED HOW THE TOWN, IN ITS INFINITE WISDOM AT ONE JUNCTURE HAD A BUILDING INSPECTOR AND THAT WAS FAILING TONS OF PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT BECAUSE OF CRACKED SIDEWALKS AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS. I THINK HIS NAME WAS PDA AND IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE DISASTER THEN HE, HE AND HIS ORDINANCE WENT AWAY, BUT IT IS TIME FOR SOME UPDATING AND CHANGE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WITH THE REVISION TO ADDRESS WHAT AND COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, I CAN'T PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME, I KNOW HER BY HER MAIDEN NAME, . IT'S MUCH EASIER. UM, UH, HER, HER CONCERN IS VALID. YOU WOULD BE AMOUNTING TO A TAKING OF PROPERTY WITHOUT THE PROPOSED REVISION. IF YOU CAN'T REBUILD, I, I WOULD AS AN ATTORNEY SUE YOU FIRST IMMEDIATELY. [01:00:01] UH, AND YOU WOULD BE TAKING PROPERTY YOU HAD ZONED IT INTO, IN UTILITY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A TOWNHOUSE. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A FEW TASTEFUL THINGS DONE TOWNHOUSE WISE IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, AND THAT'S WHEN CHESTER STREET AND THAT'S IT, EVERY OTHER TOWNHOUSE THAT'S BEEN BUILT IS DISTASTEFUL. IT'S UGLY. IT, IT, IT, IT'S OFFENSIVE TO THE EYES WHEN YOU LOOK AT BEAUTIFUL VICTORIANS NEXT TO 'EM. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO STOP THAT. YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STOP THAT, DO IT, ACCEPT THAT INVITATION, START MAKING THE TOWN BETTER. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS HORRIBLE RENTAL RATE IN THIS TOWN, AND THAT LEADS TO, UH, CESSPOOLS AND DENS OF INIQUITY IN THE CORE OF THE TOWN. THE CORE OF THE TOWN NEEDS TO BE ATTRACTED TO PEOPLE, NOT AS OUR PRESIDENT WOULD CALL OTHER FOREIGN NATIONS THAT ARE THIRD WORLD SOCIETIES AND SHITHOLES. WE DON'T NEED THAT. WE NEED TO CLEAN FRONT ROYAL UP. ONE WAY TO START CLEANING IT UP IS GETTING IT BACK TO OUR ONE ZONING WHERE PEOPLE OWN PROPERTY AND THEY TAKE CARE OF IT. AND THEY'RE MORE RESPONSIBLE THAN PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PROPERTY OWNERS AND ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE. I ENCOURAGE YOUR ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ALLY. MS. PRESLEY, WHO'S NEXT? HOLLY RODDEN. HEISER. THANK YOU. HELLO, I'M HOLLY RODIN HEISER TWO 40 CLOUD STREET. I HAVE OWNED PROPERTY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR OVER 10 YEARS NOW. UM, AND I WANNA EXPRESS HOW MUCH I VALUE THE CHARACTER IN THE SENSE OF THE COMMUNITY. IT'S WHY I MOVED HERE. UM, I LOVE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I WALK IT ALMOST DAILY, AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT DAVID SAL IS TALKING ABOUT. THE TOWNHOUSES ARE HIDEOUS. SOME OF THE OTHER HISTORIC HOMES ARE HIDEOUS TOO, AND THEY NEED SOME WORK. BUT, UM, I DO VALUE THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT JUST WHERE WE LIVE. IT'S PART OF OUR SHARED HISTORY AND IDENTITY OF THIS TOWN. UM, THE SCALE AND DESIGN OF OUR HOMES AND WALKABILITY AND THE WAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN PRESERVED OVER GENERATIONS ARE WHAT MAKE IT SO SPECIAL. I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT REQUIRING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THAT THOUGHTFUL STEP ENSURES THAT GROWTH AND CHANGE ARE CONSIDERED CAREFULLY WHEN COMMUNITY INPUTS SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE WITH COMMUNITY INPUT, SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE THE UNIQUE QUALITIES THAT MAKE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WORTH PROTECTING. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO GROWTH, BUT I WANT IT TO BE, BE APPROPRIATE, RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORIC SETTING AND IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CHARACTER. UM, THIS AMENDMENT PROVIDES THAT BALANCE. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE MR. ER, WERE YOU ON THE BAR AT ONE TIME? I WAS ON THE BAR, YES. FOR SEVERAL YEARS. YES. MRS. PRESLEY. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? NO ONE ELSE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL MADAM MAYOR IN FURTHERANCE OF THE PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES CONTAINED IN TOWN CODE SECTIONS 1 75 DASH ONE B BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. I MOVE THAT COUNCIL ADOPT ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE SECTION 1 75 DASH 84 POINT B BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW TO ADD LANGUAGE RESTRICTING THE REDEVELOPMENT OF HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL SITES TO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA OF THE TOWN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT AND TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 75 DASH 29 USES PERMITTED BY RIGHT R THREE TO ADD LANGUAGE, PREVENTING THE CONVERSION OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES INTO MULTIFAMILY OR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AS AMENDED. REMOVE THE DRAFT LANGUAGE AND 1 75 DASH 84 POINT B, LIMITING THE DEVELOPMENT OF UNDEVELOPED LOTS TO SINGLE FAMILY USE, AND REMOVE THE DRAFT LANGUAGE IN 1 75 DASH 84 B ONE IN ITS ENTIRETY, AND AMEND THE DRAFTED LANGUAGE IN 1 75 DASH 29 TO PERMIT DUPLEXES, TOWNHOUSES, AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SECOND. OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION. AND SECOND, MR. PETTY, YOU, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH, JUST WANTED ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION REGARDING LIKE BURN STRUCTURES OR STRUCTURAL SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGE. SO WE DO HAVE NON-CONFORMING CODE THAT ALLOWS, BUT YOU CAN'T ENLARGE OR CHANGE THAT NON-CONFORMING. SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD STILL ALLOW EXISTING TOWN HOMES TO, YOU KNOW, MODIFY THEIR HOMES, CHANGE, CHANGE THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT WOULDN'T OUTRIGHT PREVENT THEM. UM, AND ESPECIALLY FROM THE NON-CONFORMING STATUTE FROM THE STATE, IT DOES ALLOW THEM TO REPLACE IT, BUT IF IT DOESN'T MEET SETBACKS OR THEY WANTED TO EXPAND OR SOMETHING, THEY HAD TO KEEP THAT EXACT FOOTPRINT. SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ALLOWS A PUBLIC PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD AND STILL RELEVANT. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, NOT THIS FOR STAFF. SO, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS, IT WOULD GO TO WHO ARE ALL THE PEOPLE IT'S GONNA GO TO? IS IT GONNA GO TO BAR, IS IT GONNA GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION? THEN US IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THEN WE [01:05:01] WOULD PUT THEM THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH WOULD GO TO PLANNING AND THEN, AND THEN US. AND DOES THE, UH, THE BAR BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, THEY WOULD'VE A PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT IT TOO, RIGHT? NO, THEY ONLY HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR DEMOLITION. THAT'S OKAY. SO THIS WOULD JUST BE A REGULAR MEETING FOR THEM. I REMEMBER WHEN THEY HAD THE ONE FOR THE MURPHY BUILDING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I WAS JUST SAYING LIKE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A, UM, THERE'S A, A LENGTHY PROCESS TO, TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS IF, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT YES, THAT I WAS TRYING TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AMENDED MOTION THAT I MADE. UM, I, FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS TIRELESSLY AT LENGTH, WHICH IT DESERVES TO BE AS A COUNCIL AND DURING WORK SESSIONS. AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE ON THE BAR OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR WHO LIVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND DON'T KNOW WHO I AM OR MY FAMILY, AS MR. SELICK MENTIONED, MY MAIDEN NAME IS POE. AND WITH THAT WAS REBECCA POE, WHO WAS A LOCAL BELOVED HISTORIAN WHO HAPPENED TO BE MY GREAT AUNT. AND I SPENT A LOT, A LOT, A LOT OF TIME WITH HER, UM, ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE ARCHIVES OF THE WARREN HERITAGE SOCIETY, UM, AND SOME REALLY COOL ARTIFACTS AND JUST LEARNING AND REALLY DELVING INTO THE PRESERVATION AND HISTORY OF FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY AS A WHOLE. SO I DO RESPECT THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, MY CONCERNS, AND PERHAPS SOMETIMES I COME OFF OF IT ABRASIVE OR BRASH. UM, AND THAT IS HONESTLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WAS ELECTED AND REELECTED, IS BECAUSE I SPEAK VERY DIRECTLY AND MY INTENT BEHIND THAT IS NEVER TO BE COMBATIVE. HOWEVER, UM, MY CONCERN WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WHERE IT STANDS NOW IS IT'S NOT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AS IT SETS TODAY IN A LOT OF AREAS AND TO THE PEOPLE WHO DO TAKE CARE OF THEIR HOMES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, BUT THERE IS A LONG WAY TO GO WITH WHERE IT STANDS NOW, AND MY CONCERNS WERE AND REMAINED UP UNTIL THIS AMENDED AMENDMENT, UM, FOR THE PLACES THAT BURN, WHICH I KNOW THAT'S RARE OR THAT THERE IS SOME TYPE OF FLOODING OR DESTRUCTION. UM, UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMICAL STANDPOINT OF OUR COMMUNITY, NO, NOT MANY LOCAL PEOPLE WOULD PURCHASE THOSE TO REDEVELOP A VICTORIAN OR HISTORICAL, UM, AESTHETIC HOME THERE, IT WOULD COST APPROXIMATELY A MILLION DOLLARS TO BUILD A VICTORIAN HOME IN FRONT ROYAL IN TODAY'S ECONOMY. AND I SAY THAT AS A PROJECT MANAGER FROM A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY WHO PRICES MATERIALS ALL DAY LONG. ALONG WITH THAT, THERE ARE NOT MANY PEOPLE WHO WOULD BUILD ONE IN TODAY'S ECONOMY THAT KNOW HOW TO CARE FOR IT. UM, THE WOODEN WINDOWS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. MY GRANDMOTHER LIVES IN THE HOUSE THAT SHE WAS BORN IN IN 1930, STILL IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. AND SHE IS OUT THERE EVERY SIX MONTHS, PAINTING AND STAINING AND REFRESHING AND SCRAPING AND HER METAL ROOF. AND SHE PUTS THAT IN EVEN AT EIGHTY TWO, EIGHTY THREE YEARS OLD. HER BIRTHDAY WAS LAST WEEK. HOWEVER, I DON'T WANNA ADD TO FURTHER DILAPIDATION AND NEGLECT BY ENFORCING THESE THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA BE WILLING TO UPHOLD. SO I THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME SEMBLANCE OF A HAPPY MEDIAN WHERE THERE IS A STANDARD IN PLACE, BUT REDEVELOPMENT CAN TAKE PLACE BECAUSE ALSO YOU LOOK AT IT AS THERE WOULD BE NO REAL ESTATE TAX BEING GAINED FROM THE COMMU FROM THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN IF THESE LOTS WERE DESTROYED AND JUST SAT THE WAY THAT THEY ARE. NOW. ANYBODY WHO SAW ME RUN THE FIRST TIME I RAN FOR THIS COUNCIL, THERE WERE SOME PLACES THAT WERE MULTIFAMILY AND MOTEL UNITS THAT I PUBLICLY SAID I WOULD BE HAPPY TO BULLDOZE MYSELF. AND IN RETROSPECT, THERE ARE SOME REALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN SOME OF THOSE SITUATIONS, AND THAT'S NOT A FEASIBLE SOLUTION. HOWEVER I STAND BY SOME OF THEM WOULD BE BETTER BULLDOZED THAN STILL EXISTING. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, MY OTHER POINT FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T WATCH THE WORK SESSIONS IS I TRAVEL A LOT AND ANYWHERE I'VE EVER TRAVELED, I STAY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN AN AIRBNB OR A BED AND BREAKFAST OR A MOTEL. AND I'VE DONE THAT IN SO MANY STATES AND COUNTRIES TO BE ABLE TO BE ACCESSIBLE AND WALKABLE AND SPEND MY MEALS TAX, MY SALES TAX, MY LODGING TAX, WHILE ALSO STILL GAINING THE REAL ESTATE PROPERTY TAX. AND WHILE I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE APPETITE OF THIS, UH, COUNCIL AS A MAJORITY OR SOME OF THE COMMUNITY, I JUST THINK THAT THERE IS A WAY TO HAVE A STANDARD FOR MULTI-FAMILY OR LODGING HOUSES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT DOES NOTHING MORE THAN PRESERVE THE HISTORIC ASPECT OF THAT IF DONE RIGHT. UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL HOUSES ON BLUE RIDGE THAT I'VE SEEN SOLD MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS. UM, AND IF ONE OF THOSE WERE TO BE A SUCCESSFUL BED AND BREAKFAST WHERE PEOPLE CAME, STAYED, SPENT THEIR MONEY, UH, WE MADE ALL THOSE DIFFERENT TAX REVENUES OFF OF IT, AND THEY GOT TO LEARN ABOUT THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND TAKE THEIR TRASH WITH THEM WHEN THEY LEAVE, THAT'S A WIN-WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND HERITAGE TOURISM AND ECOTOURISM AND, UM, [01:10:01] HISTORIC TOURISM ARE ALL PARTS OF THOSE FACETS BECAUSE YOU REALLY GET TO DELVE INTO WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE IN THE HISTORIC PART OF THOSE COMMUNITIES AND WHAT IT'S LIKE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND YOU GET A REAL SENSE OF COMMUNITY, WHICH DESPITE ALL THE HEADLINES OVER THE LAST NINE YEARS IN OUR COMMUNITY, I'M VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUR NEIGHBORS HERE IN FRONT. ROYAL MAD MAYOR, MAY I? YES, I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. HISTORICAL DISTRICT. I GREW UP IN IT, UH, IN TWO DIFFERENT HOUSES. AND I THINK, UH, MS. A LIVES IN MY, IN ONE OF THEM. UM, AND I CAN SEE IT AFTER BEING GONE, UH, FROM CLOUD TO BLUE RIDGE, STEVEN CHURCH STREET. IT, IT'S, WE'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING TO GET IT BETTER. UH, I REMEMBER HOUSES THAT BELONGED TO, UH, MR. SALLY'S GRANDMOTHER. THAT WAS A NICE LOOKING PLACE. I GUESS YOUR AUNT HAD, UH, TODD'S GROCERY ON PROSPECT STREET. THAT WAS A NICE PLACE TO GO. I THINK WE NEED TO WORK AND GET SOME OF THAT STUFF BACK. UM, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S JUST, I I RIDE AROUND AND LOOK AT STUFF AND IT'S LIKE, WOW, IT NEVER LOOKED LIKE THIS WHEN I WAS A KID ON THIS STREET GROWING UP. SO I THINK WE, I THINK THIS ORDINANCE IS GONNA HELP DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MADAM MAYOR? YES. SO WE'RE KIND OF AT A CROSSROADS, UM, ON WHERE WE GO FORWARD. WE CREATED A HISTORIC DISTRICT YEARS AGO. I AM GONE. I WAS GONE FOR 11 YEARS, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT ALL TOOK PLACE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT TODAY, MOTION AND THE AMENDMENTS IN FRONT OF US, UH, WOULD PROJECT AN IMAGE THAT WE, UM, ARE PROUD OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE WANT TO MAINTAIN IT. UM, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF PROPERTY IN FRONT ROYAL THAT PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD ANYMORE. AND WE HAVE MANY YOUNG FAMILIES WITH MULTIPLE CHILDREN. AND, UM, THE LARGER HOMES THERE CAN BE MORE AFFORDABLE. YOU GOTTA PUT ELBOW GREASE IN IT. YES. IT'S NOT GONNA DO IT EITHER. OKAY. WELL, UH, WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT IS, UH, I, I COULD SEE A RENEWAL HAPPENING IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT FAMILIES COMING IN, UH, TAKING ON A PROJECT. UM, I HAD A COUSIN WHO LIVED IN HISTORICAL DISTRICT OF RICHMOND, UH, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING TIGHT. THEY PAINTED THEIR HOUSE AND THEN THEY FOUND OUT IT DIDN'T MEET THE APPROVAL, AND THEY HAD TO REPAINT THEIR HOUSE IN A COLOR THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE 17 HUNDREDS. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING, WE'RE NOT GOING THERE TODAY. UM, BUT WHAT WE ARE IS TRYING TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE. UM, YES. WERE SOME OF THESE HOUSES, LODGING HOUSES AT ONE TIME? YES. UH, COULD THEY BE AGAIN? SURE. UH, WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY, I FEEL, OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. OTHERWISE, WHY HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT JUST BULL DOWN, BULLDOZE A BUILDING WHEN YOU GET DONE WITH IT, WHEN IT FALLS IN AND PUT UP WHATEVER THE CHEAPEST IS THAT YOU CAN RENT OR SELL. SO I THINK WE HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL. IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE TOWN. IT'S THERE ON THE MAP. I WOULD, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE REMISS IF WE DON'T START PUTTING A STAKE IN THE GROUND NOW AND TRY TO MAINTAIN THIS. AND I, I WANTED TO ASK STAFF FOR CLARIFICATION. WE KNOW THAT THE BEAUTIFUL VICTORIAN BURNDOWN, THEY HAVE APPROVAL THROUGH THE BAR TO REPLACE THAT WITH A DUPLEX WITH CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL, UH, DESIGNS AND MATERIALS. THIS WILL NOT CHANGE THAT. CORRECT. SO THEY WILL BE GRANDFATHERED. THEY CAN GO AHEAD. THAT PROPERTY CAN BE FURTHER DEVELOPED AS A DUPLEX WITH THE MATERIALS AS APPROVED BY THE BAR. SO I HOPE IT WILL TAKE ITS OPPORTUNITY AND, AND SAVE WHAT WE HAVE LEFT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAD MAYOR, IF I MAY, I'LL JUST SPEAK REAL QUICK. UH, WHAT SAYS THE HISTORY NERD UP HERE ON THE DIOCESE? YOU KNOW, I, UH, I'M A BIG ADVOCATE FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE BAR AND FOR PRESERVATION FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IS ESPECIALLY HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE BAR AND THE STAFF FOR PUTTING THESE AMENDMENTS TOGETHER AND FOR, FOR THESE, UH, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN NOW AND OUR, AND THEN, UH, OUR HEARING THAT WE'RE HAVING NOW, AND THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE ADDRESSED AND, AND APPRECIATE THE BAR'S INPUT. IT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER THAT YOU GOT, THAT YOU LADIES ARE HERE IN PARTICULAR, UH, STANDING FOR THIS. SO, UH, AGAIN, AS COUNCILMAN WOOD JUST SAID, [01:15:01] YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING DRAMATIC RIGHT NOW. BUT THIS IS, UH, I THINK A FIRST STEP. AND I THINK THE BAR HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION FROM US. UH, AND I THINK THIS GIVES A GOOD START IN DI DIRECTION FOR THEM TO, UH, BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR JOBS BETTER. SO THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT IT. SO, THANK YOU. UM, JUST A COUPLE QUICK COMMENTS. I WAS, I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME THOUGHT ABOUT HELPING FOLKS, UH, REPAIR THEIR HOMES. I MEAN, THAT WAS THE THING THAT I SAW, UM, WHEN I HAD VISITED, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY, AGAIN, THE PORCHES, THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE JUST MAGNIFICENT ON THEIR HEYDAY OR HAVE JUST FALLEN INTO DISREPAIR. UM, I AM TORN. I, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE DISTRICT, JUST LIKE, I DON'T WANNA SEE THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS EITHER. UM, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT NOW. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BUILD, HAVE A, A PLACE FOR, UH, PEOPLE FROM THAT CAN ONLY AFFORD IT BECAUSE THEY'VE COME FROM FAIRFAX. UM, THEY CAN COME GET THEIR VICTORIAN HOME HERE. I WOULD MUCH RATHER US PRIORITIZE, AGAIN, PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY LIVING HERE, HOW CAN WE HELP THEM, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY THERE'S GRANT OPPORTUNITIES OR ASSISTANCE THAT WILL HELP THEM UPKEEP THEIR HOME OR RENOVATE. UM, I KNOW I LIVE IN THE GRANTS WORLD, SO I, I HEAR GRANTS, GRANTS, GRANTS ALL THE TIME. BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE, ESPECIALLY THE COMMUNITY TO BE EDUCATED ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY AVAILABLE TO THEM AS RESIDENTS OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT. WHAT, UM, PERKS DO WE HAVE? UM, I'M SURE THE TOWN STAFF KNOWS IT INTIMATELY, BUT I WANT TO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, NOT TONIGHT, 'CAUSE WE'RE DONE, UM, . BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT, UM, WHAT, WHO ON STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO HELP FOLKS IDENTIFY THOSE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WILL HELP THEM STAY IN THEIR HOMES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN AND THAT THEY'VE HAD IN THEIR FAMILIES FOREVER. OR HELP, UH, FOLKS WHO MAYBE DON'T HAVE MEANS FAIRFAX, UH, WAGES, UM, BUT DO HAVE A LOVE OF OLD HOMES. HOW CAN WE HELP THEM PURCHASE AND RENOVATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT IS AVAILABLE TO THEM OUT THERE? SO, UM, THAT'S A FUTURE, FUTURE DISCUSSION. BUT, UM, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, UM, FROM MY VANTAGE POINT. BUT I, I TOO ALSO ENJOY THE HISTORY AND, AND THERE REALLY ARE SOME GORGEOUS HOMES DOWN THERE. AND, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM PRESERVED AND, AND SENT BACK TO, UM, THE WAY THAT THEY WERE AT ONE POINT. SO, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MADAM MAYOR? I'LL, UH, I'LL ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THIS AS WELL. AS AN OWNER OF A 99-YEAR-OLD HOME, UM, I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR OUR, UH, HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND, UH, HER HERITAGE TOUR. YOU CAN'T PUT A VALUE ON HERITAGE TOURISM, I MEAN, IS HUGE. I, UM, I SPEND A LOT OF TIME, OR I DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME, BUT I GO DOWN TO THE VISITOR CENTER AND I HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I WALKED UP BLUE RIDGE, I WALKED UP CLOUD STREET, I WALKED UP, UM, E EVEN THE OTHER SIDE STREETS, UH, EVEN ALONG THE CREEK. UM, UH, THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF ARCHITECTURE THAT THEY, THEY SEE AND THEY REALLY ENJOY LOOKING AT THAT. UM, EVEN ON MAIN STREET FOR THAT MATTER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE OLD MURPHY BUILDING, EVERYONE IS IN AWE OF THE, THE WINDOWS AND THE ARCHITECTURE OF THOSE WINDOWS. UM, IT'S, UH, THE, THE, THE ONE THING THAT, UH, I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE BAR AND THEIR GUIDELINES, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE, UM, THE, UH, TOWN HOMES OR DUPLEXES THAT WOULD MAYBE BURN OR BE FLOODED BEYOND REPAIR. AND THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN AND REBUILD IT. UH, WHAT'S COMFORTING TO ME IS I, I BELIEVE THAT THE BAR GUIDELINES WILL, IN ENSURE THAT CERTAIN MATERIALS HAVE TO HAPPEN TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS INTO THE, INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE SETBACKS ARE SUCH THAT WHEN YOU LOOK OUT THE DOOR, IT, IT'S A STRAIGHT LINE JUST LIKE IT, LIKE IT WAS. SO, UM, I'M, I'M REALLY BIG ON THAT. THAT MAKES ME REAL COMFORTABLE. [01:20:01] UM, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS AMENDMENT. OKAY. I BELIEVE WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE. MS. PRESLEY. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN OCK? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN D DEMON PAINT? YES. AND IF YOU WILL PASS THAT MOTION DOWN TO MS. PRESLEY SO SHE HAS IT FOR HER MINUTES. ALRIGHT, [8. PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS] NEXT UP IS THE PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARING? MS. PRESLEY, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP BEFORE I READ ALL THE RULES? WE HAVE ONE. OKAY, THEN I'M GONNA READ 'EM. WE NOW COME TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS PORTION OF THE AGENDA. IT IS THE DUTY OF THE MAYOR TO CONDUCT THIS MEETING IN AN ORDERLY MANNER. PERSONS ADDRESSING THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL HAS TO LIMIT THEIR REMARKS TO THOSE RELEVANT TO THE BUSINESS OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. NO PERSONS IN ATTENDANT SHALL BE ALLOWED TO VOICE REMARKS EXCEPT AS RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR OR THE CLERK OF COUNCIL. UPON RECOGNITION BY THE MAYOR OR THE CLERK OF COUNCIL TO SPEAKER SHALL STATE THEIR NAME, ADDRESS AND INDICATE IF THEY'RE A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL DIRECT. THEIR COMMENTS TO THE MARON COUNCIL SHALL NOT ADDRESS THE SUBJECT MATTER OF A PUBLIC HEARING BEING HELD DURING THE SAME MEETING. STAY WITHIN THE ALLOTTED THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT. AFTER THAT TIME IS EXPIRED, THE MICROPHONE WILL BE CUT OFF. REFRAIN FROM WORDS OR STATEMENTS WHICH ARE DEFAMATORY TO SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS OR DISPLAY OTHER DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT INCLUDING OBSCENITY AND VULGARITY GROUPS OR INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE CREATING AN ATMOSPHERE DETRIMENTAL TO OR DISTURBING. THE ORDERLY CONDUCT OF THE MEETING WILL BE WORN TO REFRAIN FROM SUCH CONDUCT ANY ADDITIONAL DISTURBANCE AFTER THE WARNING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. AND THE MAYOR WILL HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO ASK THE REP TO THE CHIEF TO REMOVE THE INDIVIDUAL GROUP OR CLEAR THE ROOM SO THAT THE COUNCIL CAN CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF THE TOWN. MR. PRESLEY, WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK, ALAN ERS. ALRIGHT, ALAN, DID YOU HEAR ALL THESE RULES? ALL THAT AGAIN, JUST FOR ME. SORRY. I TRUST A, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE, FIRST OF ALL. AND, UM, I THOUGHT I WOULD KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE. I THINK THE LAST TIME I TALKED TO YOU ALL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A WORK SESSION OR AT A COUNCIL MEETING, I MENTIONED THAT, UM, MAIN STREET AMERICA IS COMING TO FRONT ROYAL, AND I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU ALL AGAIN THAT THAT DATE IS OCTOBER THE 14TH. WE DO NOT HAVE THE TIME SLOT NAILED OUT ON PURPOSE BECAUSE TOMORROW, WEDNESDAY, WEDNESDAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR FIRST MEETING WITH OUR MERCHANTS SINCE DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL REORGANIZED. AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH US WHAT TIME SLOT WORKS BEST FOR THEM. SO ONCE WE HAVE THAT FEEDBACK, THEN WE'LL PUT TOGETHER THE OTHER THREE MEETINGS. UM, I KNOW ALL OF YOU ALL I DON'T THINK CAN COME TO ONE MEETING AT ONE TIME. I THINK A COUPLE OF YOU'RE GONNA BE OUT OF TOWN AT TRAINING, BUT IF YOU COULD SHARE WITH ME WHAT TIME OF DAY MIGHT WORK BEST FOR YOU ALL THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 'CAUSE WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO BE THERE. UM, THE WHOLE GOAL IS TO GAIN FEEDBACK FROM OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT, UM, THE DIRECTION THAT THEY WANT OUR MAIN STREET TO GO AND WHAT THEY LIKE AND WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF. AND YOU ALL ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THAT CONVERSATION. SO IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE OCTOBER THE 14TH, PROBABLY WE'RE GONNA START AT EIGHT O'CLOCK WITH A WALKING, WALKING TOUR. AND THEN THEY WANNA MEET WITH US FOR AN HOUR AFTER THAT. AND THEN WE'LL START THE, THE MEETINGS THAT WILL BE OPEN. SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND, UM, COUNCILWOMAN D DOMINICO PAIN, CHECK OUT, UH, HABITAT HUMANITIES, A BRUSH OF KINDNESS. 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA HIT HOME WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ASK STAFF ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR REPAIRS. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU THERE. ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK DURING OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS PORTION OF THIS MEETING? DAVID LIK THANK YOU FIRST FOR YOUR VOTE ON THAT NET. THE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE BAR, UH, POLICIES OR RULES, I GUESS ORDINANCE. SECONDLY, THE TOWN NEEDS BETTER. UH, HOW DO I PUT THIS? ACTIVE ZONING ENFORCEMENT. AND THAT MEANS NOT TALL GRASS. THAT'S NOT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS PERMANENT RESIDENCES BEING IN HOTELS. THEY'RE ZONED AS HOTELS OR MOTELS, NOT PERMANENT RESIDENCES, AND THEY'RE BECOME PERMANENT RESIDENCES. SO YOU ARE ALLOWING AN ONGOING ZONING VIOLATION WHEN SOMEONE MAKES A MOTEL ROOM OR A MOTEL, THEIR PERMANENT RESIDENCE AND THEY USE THAT ADDRESS FOR SCHOOLING PURPOSES OR EVERYTHING ELSE. THEY'VE MADE IT A PERMANENT RESIDENCE. [01:25:01] IT'S NO LONGER A MOTEL HOTEL. BUT YOU AND YOU ALL CONTINUE TO ALLOW THIS. IT'S NOT ZONED MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE, BUT YOU ARE DEFACTO ALLOWING MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCES ON THESE PROPERTIES IN VIOLATION OF YOUR OWN ZONING ORDINANCE. I'VE COME TO YOU BEFORE AND SAY, USE NUISANCE LAW TO CLEAN UP THE TOWN YOU REFUSE. NOW I'M PUTTING YOU ON NOTICE OF ZONING ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS. YOU NOW HAVE A CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION. IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, FOLLOW YOUR OWN ZONING ORDINANCE. THESE ARE NOT MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES, THEY'RE NOT ZONE MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES, BUT YOU'RE ALLOWING IT FIX IT IF YOU DON'T FIX IT, IF YOU DON'T START TO ISSUE THESE ZONING NOTICES, YOU'VE DENIED EVERY OTHER PROPERTY OWNER EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS? PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY. MOVING ON TO [9.A. Report of Town Manager] ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS THE REPORTS. AND WE'LL START OFF WITH THE TOWN MANAGER. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. COUNCIL, UH, JUST A FEW QUICK UPDATES. UH, EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE IS STILL ONGOING. AGAIN, TARGETING FEBRUARY FOR THAT. UH, THEY'RE MAKING PRETTY GOOD PROGRESS DOWN THERE. SO, UH, ROYAL AVENUE IS ONGOING. I'VE BEEN GIVING UPDATES ON THAT ONE. UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE ROUGH ROAD DOWN THERE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTORS TO GET THAT GOING. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE REPLACING SOME WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN PAVING WILL COME SHORTLY AFTER THAT, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT WRAPPED UP PRETTY SOON. UM, JUST A REMINDER, TOWN OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED ON OCTOBER 13TH, MONDAY, OCTOBER 13TH. OUR CITIZENS ACADEMY IS FULL, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO KICK THAT BACK OFF ON OCTOBER 8TH. SO WE HAD A GREAT RESPONSE TO THAT. AND THEN A REMINDER THAT THE FESTIVAL LEAVES WILL BE ON OCTOBER 11TH WITH DANCING DOWNTOWN PRIOR TO THAT ON FRIDAY. AND OBVIOUSLY WITH OUR ROADS, PLEASE BE PATIENT LEAF TRAFFIC IS COMING. UM, FOR THE SAME REASON PEOPLE COME TO SEE THE LEAVES ARE THE SAME REASON WE LIVE HERE, SO WE WANT THEM TO ENJOY THEM TOO. SO JUST BE PATIENT FOR THOSE MONTHS AND THANKS TO AHEAD OF TIME FOR OUR PD AND OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS THEY MONITOR THE ROADS TO KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE DURING THAT TIME. THAT'S ALL I HAVE THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS [9.B. Report of Councilmembers] WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST? OR DOES ANYBODY EVEN WANNA SPEAK? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? GO AHEAD. I WAS A LITTLE BUSIER THIS MONTH. UM, WHY I'M SICK. I THINK, UM, , I ATTENDED RIBBON CUTTINGS AT FAMILY PHARMACY. I ATTENDED, UH, RIBBON CUTTING AT THE LOOSE COW MERCANTILE. AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE THE INVESTMENTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND CELEBRATE GOOD THINGS HAPPENING. UM, I ATTENDED THE NINE 11 CEREMONY THAT WE HAD, UM, WHICH, UH, WAS A LOT OF IT WAS COORDINATED BY SKIP ROGERS AND A LITTLE BIT BY MY NEIGHBOR AS WELL, ED COOK, WHO HAD HIS HARLEY THERE. UM, AND I, IT JUST IS, IT'S SO, UM, IT'S SO GOOD TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND REMEMBER WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE, UH, BEFORE THAT DATE AND AFTER THAT DATE. AND TO REMEMBER, WE ALWAYS SAY, YOU KNOW, NEVER FORGET, NEVER FORGET. BUT REALLY TAKE A MOMENT AND PAUSE AND THINK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAVE TRANSPIRED OVER THE YEARS AND THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO HAVE SUFFERED AND CONTINUE TO SUFFER AS A RESULT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED. UM, I ATTENDED THE NORTHERN SHENDO VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION AS PART OF MY ROLE ON THIS COUNCIL. AND, UM, I'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE SINCE BEING ON COUNCIL. I'VE HAD TWO FRONT ROYAL BUCKET LISTS HAPPEN. ONE WAS I GOT TO VISIT AVTEX AND I, I'D LIVED HERE ALL THESE YEARS AND NEVER GOT TO GO IN THERE AND I'D NEVER BEEN IN THE VIRGINIA INLAND PORT, WHICH IS WHAT WE GOT TO DO. UM, BUT IT DID, IT ALSO OPENED MY EYES BECAUSE I, I'VE GOTTA FIND OUT WHO, WHO DOES PROVIDE THE WATER FOR THE INLAND PORT. THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE. DO DO WE? WE DO. WE DO. OKAY. SO, AND UM, THE OTHER PIECE I, YOU KNOW, THAT I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT WAS HOW MUCH OF OUR LAND HERE IN WARREN COUNTY IS, IS REALLY FEDERAL LAND. STATE LAND, NOT OUR LAND, TAX LAND WE CAN'T GET TAXES FROM. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I KNEW SOME OF THAT, BUT IT REALLY STRUCK HOME TO ME HOW MANY THINGS WE HAVE GOING ON HERE THAT ARE GREAT, THAT PEOPLE PRESUME WE GET MONEY FROM THAT WE REALLY DON'T. UM, BUT IT IS A FASCINATING PLACE WITH A LOT OF ACTIVITY AND, AND IT'S REALLY A, A VERY, UM, PROGRESSIVE THING. AND I CAN REMEMBER WHEN IT CAME TO COMMUNITY, HOW EXCITING IT WAS. THE, UM, LAST THING THAT I DID WAS PARTICIPATE IN THE, THE SUICIDE WALK. UM, [01:30:01] AND ON, UH, SATURDAY, UH, HEIGHT KIDS FOUNDATION AND THE MAYOR AND OTHERS WERE INVOLVED IN, IN BRINGING THAT FORWARD TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I'M, I'M EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT, UM, UH, A GROUP NOW IN WINCHESTER, I BELIEVE THEY SAID NAME WAS EMPATH, RIGHT? IT IS EMPATH WHERE YOU CAN, UH, IT'S 24 HOUR, UH, CRISIS INTERVENTION. IF YOU HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS, YOU CAN WALK IN ANYTIME AND GET HELP. UM, AT VALLEY HEALTH IT'S AT VALLEY HEALTH. VALLEY HEALTH. UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS WELCOME WITH I GET TO WALK WITH BRENDAN. THAT WAS NICE TO TALK WITH THE, WITH THE PRESS. BUT, UM, UH, THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IS THAT WE WERE ALL THERE AND WE'RE, WE WERE ALL ALIVE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL HERE AND WE ALL MIGHT HAVE A STORY ABOUT OURSELVES, ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW ABOUT THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD OF. BUT BECAUSE WE ARE HERE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING. AND THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION AND THE RESOURCES AND THAT YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE PEOPLE IN YOUR LIVES. 'CAUSE THE FIRST, THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE ARE FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THEY'RE THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO A LOT OF TIMES ARE SEE SIGNS, BUT IGNORE THEM. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT WE SPENT TIME ON THIS ACTIVITY. MENTAL HEALTH HAS BEEN ON THE UPSWING SINCE COVID. UM, AND, UH, APPRECIATE THE CONTINUED OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO SUPPORT EFFORTS IN THE COMMUNITY AROUND THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TO . WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? GO AHEAD. COUNCILMAN WOOD. I GUESS WE'LL GO UP THE LINE. YEAH. UM, YEAH, IT'S BEEN A, IT IS BEEN SOME BUSY TIMES. UM, LIKE COUNCILMAN DEMON PAYNE, UM, I ATTENDED THE NINE 11, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO SKIP ROGERS AND ABLE FORCES. UM, THIS IS, I BELIEVE THE THIRD ONE THAT THEY PUT ON EACH YEAR IS DIFFERENT. UM, UH, OUR TOWN MANAGER, CHIEF OF POLICE, MANY OF THE DEPARTMENT MEMBERS WERE THERE THAT DAY. UM, THIS YEAR HE INCORPORATED OUR, OUR FIREFIGHTER EMTS AND THE RINGING OF THE BELL AT, AT THE TIME THAT EACH PLANE WENT DOWN. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT EXPANDED FURTHER TO WHERE MAYBE OUR SCHOOL CHILDREN, SOME OF 'EM COULD ATTEND THAT IN THE FUTURE. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT THE SCHOOL BOARD. WE DON'T CONTROL IT, BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY VALUABLE LESSON THIS YEAR. WE ALSO HAD A SPEAKER WHO WAS AN EMT AT THE PENTAGON, UM, THE, THE DAY OF, AND THEN THE DAYS, UH, FOLLOWING, UM, THE PLANE CRASH AND THAT, AND DOING RECOVERY AND SOME OF THE HORRIFIC THINGS THAT PERSON SAW AND HAD TO DEAL WITH. SO IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING NEW. IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO BE DISCOVERED AND TO BE GRATEFUL FOR BEING AN AMERICAN. AND SOMEBODY SAID IT THAT DAY, AND I WANT TO REPEAT IT TONIGHT. I WISH WE WOULD ALL GO BACK TO 9 12 1 COUNTRY TOGETHER. UM, WE LOST A VALUABLE, UH, CITIZEN LOCAL FIREFIGHTER MIKE NER, UH, DUE TO AN AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT. UM, MIKE WORKED FOR THE TOWN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND EVERYBODY KNOWS HIS DAD JUNIOR NER AND WITH THE COUNTY RETIRED. AND A, AGAIN, A LOCAL, A LOCAL PERSON WITH OUR, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN, UH, COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT AND I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING WITH, UM, ELLEN ERS, UH, BACK ON THE 13TH I THINK IT WAS. AND, UM, WHEN ALAN CAME BEFORE COUNCIL TALKING ABOUT THE NUMEROUS GRANTS AND THINGS DISCOVERED, SINCE BRUCE AND I ARE ON THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH ALAN TO GET INFORMATION TO SEE IF THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK ON, UM, TO HELP FUND SOME MUCH NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE PRODUCTS, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE HERE. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING, ANYTHING. I'M GONNA, I CAN GO DOWN THE LINE, BUT THEN COUNCILMAN RAP ENDS UP BEING LESS AND HE'S NOT A FAN OF THAT. SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? 'CAUSE I'M GONNA LET YOU GO NEXT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE LAST. LET, JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT GO AHEAD. YOU SAY A LITTLE BIT, BUT I KNOW YOU BRUISE. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA BYPASS. NO, I WOULD NEVER DO THAT. UH, SO I REALLY DIDN'T BEEN VERY BUSY ON MY, ON MY, UH, OTHER JOB. UH, THIS MONTH. UH, A LOT OF AGENCIES HAVE BEEN CONTACTING US AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT BEEN GOING ON IN THE WORLD. UH, ON SATURDAY, THE SEPTEMBER THE 13TH, I, I ATTENDED THE, UH, FAMILY PHARMACY, UH, REOPENING. RIGHT. UH, THEY USED TO BE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE OLD HOSPITAL, RIGHT? YEP. MM-HMM . SURE DID. UM, AND THE OWNER'S NAME IS, [01:35:01] I HOPE I GET IT RIGHT, SHABA, UH, CHILDRY. YEP, THAT'S RIGHT. UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DIDN'T GO, YOU SHOULD HAVE, BECAUSE THEY HAD PIZZA, , SODAS OF CAKE, DONUTS, I MEAN, ALL OF THE REASONS TO GO TO THE PHARMACY . BUT REALLY, UH, THEY HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF, UH, PHARMAC PHARMACEUTICAL SERVICES THERE. SO IT'S JUST LIKE GOING TO, UH, FOR THOSE THAT, UH, CAN REMEMBER TROUT DRUG ON MAIN STREET IS SORT OF THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT. SO, UH, IF YOU WANT THAT HOMETOWN ENVIRONMENT, THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S THE PLACE FOR, FOR YOU. I, UH, COUNCILWOMAN DEMON PAYNE, UH, SAW ME. WHAT WERE YOU AT THE GOLF COURSE? . I SHOWED UP WITH MY , MY GOLFING SHIRT AND MY SHORTS. IT WAS CUTE, RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT. UH, UH, THE OTHER THING, UH, IS UM, I DID ATTEND THE MOST RECENT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, WHERE, UH, THEY DID, UH, DISCUSS THE, UH, I BELIEVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR DATA CENTERS. UM, REALLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, I, I WANT, I WANT TO GIVE THEM, UH, A LOT OF KUDOS FOR WHAT, WHAT THEY DID. UM, ON THE, ON THE SURFACE, IT, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS IT PRETTY GOOD. UH, THE, IT WAS WELL ATTENDED BY THE PUBLIC. UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD INPUT, I THINK, UH, THAT CAME OUT OF THAT, UH, REGARDING SOUND, REGARDING NOISE, REGARDING WATER, REGARDING, UH, ELECTRICITY IN THOSE KIND OF THINGS, UM, THAT WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT. UH, SO, UH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE COMING OUR WAY HERE SHORTLY. UH, AND, UH, WE WILL GET A CRACK AT IT. UH, AND I'LL HAVE MORE TO SAY ON THAT IN THE FUTURE. . OKAY. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, MAYOR, I HAVEN'T BEEN REALLY THAT BUSY THIS, THIS MONTH, AND I'LL TRY TO DO BETTER NEXT MONTH. ACTUALLY, I, I WILL, I, I DO PLAN IF ANYONE HAS TICKETS FOR THE NAACP EVENT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE ONE. GLEN'S GOT TICKETS. I ALREADY BOUGHT MINE, BUT EVEN THOUGH IT'S AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON. YES IT IS. AND THEN ST. LUKE'S IS AT FIVE 30 THAT NIGHT, SO, OKAY. WELL YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE THIS MONTH, BRUCE, TO GET BUSIER. ALRIGHT. WE EXPECT A BETTER UPDATE NEXT MONTH. I'M JUST USING, OKAY. I KNOW, I'M JUST, LOOK, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU PUT ME ON NOTICE, , I'M JUST KIDDING. MINE WAS SHORTER TOO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. I SAID PEOPLE WERE THANK YOU ANYWAY, UH, AMBER OR JOSH, WHICH YOU LOVE, THE FOLKS WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT. YEAH. UH, MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT FROM THIS FROM THE PAST PUBLIC MEETING, BUT I'LL JUST SAY THAT I'M GONNA BE ATTENDING THE VML CONFERENCE NEXT MONTH, SO JUST EVERYONE KNOWS FOR THAT. AND I'LL BE REPORTING, UH, THAT IN OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING FOR OCTOBER. SO SOUNDS GOOD. VICE MAYOR AL. IT WAS A BUSY MONTH FOR ME. I WISH I COULD SAY IT WASN'T, AND I'LL TRY TO RECAP IT QUICKLY AND SPEAK PROPERLY. UH, MY MAJORS, WARREN COUNTY SOFTBALL GIRLS LITTLE LEAGUE TEAM HAD ITS FIRST HARD FOUGHT WIN THIS MONTH. THAT WAS VERY EXCITING. AND THIS MONTH I HAD THE PLEASURE OF ATTENDING THE RIBBON CUTTING OF THE LOOSE COW MERCANTILE. AND IT IS A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY. IT OFFERS ENTREPRENEURS THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A STOREFRONT WITHOUT THE EXPENSE OF A BRICK AND MORTAR SO THAT THEY CAN CREATE A PATH FORWARD FOR WHAT WORKS FOR THEM ONCE THEY GET IN AND FIND OUT AFTER THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE OF THE RIBBON CUTTING. I TOOK SOME TIME TO DO SOME SHOPPING WITH MY YOUNGEST SON, WILLIAM, WHO WAS HERE IN ATTENDANCE EARLIER TONIGHT BECAUSE HE WANTED TO WATCH OUR GOVERNMENT AT WORK. I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO FIND THAT SOME OF THE VENDORS ARE NOT EVEN LOCALS YET. THEY CHOSE FRONT ROYAL FOR THEIR BUSINESS ENDEAVORS. I HAD PICKED UP AN ITEM THAT I WANTED TO PURCHASE AND THAT PERSON THAT RAN THAT SHOP IS FROM THE FALK HERE COUNTY AREA AND DRIVES OUT HERE TO MAINTAIN HER SPACE AND THE LOOSE COW. UM, THIS MONTH I ALSO MET WITH VIRGINIA HOUSING REGARDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN FRONT ROYAL. THERE ARE GRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND ARE AVAILABLE TO THE TOWN STATE MONEY FOR FRONT ROYAL TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE. WE DISCUSSED THE OPPORTUNITIES AND POTENTIAL AND THE APPETITE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR OUR TOWN THIS MONTH. I ALSO HAD THE ABSOLUTE PLEASURE TO BE INVITED TO SPEAK ON A VIRTUAL RURAL HEALTHCARE TRANSFORMATION SESSION HOSTED BY DELEGATE OATS, THE STATE OF VIRGINIA'S [01:40:01] SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. I DISCUSSED THE IMPACTS OF MONOPOLIZED HEALTHCARE IN RURAL WARREN COUNTY FOR ROYAL AND THE INCREASED COSTS OF CARE FOR US OUT HERE BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF COMPETING HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS. IT'S SIMPLE ECONOMICS, SUPPLY AND DEMAND. YOU CAN GET A COST SHEET FROM URGENT CARE OR THE HOSPITAL AND YOU CAN GET ONE FROM INOVA AND FAIRFAX GAINS AVAIL LEEBURG. AND YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF THAT THE ITEMIZED LIST OF THINGS COST SUBSTANTIALLY MORE IN FRONT ROYAL THAN THEY DO IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. WE HEARD FROM NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WHO MAKE CLINICS AND THEY DO THINGS LIKE ONE DAY CLINICS FOR DENTAL CLEANINGS, SPORTS PHYSICALS, AND REALLY PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITY IN UNDERSERVED AREAS LIKE OURS. I'M HOPEFUL TO SEE HOW THAT FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE BEING ALLOCATED IN RURAL VIRGINIA CAN AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE BETTER. AND WE STILL LACK SO MANY NECESSARY SERVICES FOR SUCH A LARGE AND GROWING LOCALITY THAT WE ARE. UM, DURING THAT CALL WHEN I WAS PRESENTING, UM, FRONT ROYAL IS THE SEVENTH LARGEST LOCALITY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, CURRENTLY WITH A VERY FAST GROWING POPULATION. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY WOMEN'S CARE. AND THAT'S NOT JUST LABOR AND DELIVERY TO HAVE A BABY THAT'S MAMMOGRAMS, THAT'S PREVENTATIVE CARE. UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY PEDIATRIC SPECIALISTS. UH, MY SON WILLIAM, WHO'S WITH US TONIGHT, RECENTLY, UH, HAD AN EPISODE ON BACK TO SCHOOL NIGHT WHERE HE WAS HOSPITALIZED AND THEN SENT TO CHARLOTTESVILLE. UM, AND THANK GOD I KNEW A PEDIATRIC CARDIOLOGIST THAT WAS ABLE TO GET HIM IN WITHIN SEVEN DAYS. UM, SO HE DIDN'T HAVE TO CONTINUE TO SLEEP BESIDE ME WITH A MIRROR UNDER HIS NOSE BOTHERING HIM ONCE HE GOT DISCHARGED. UM, OUR URGENT AND QUICK CARES ARE BEING USED, UM, FOR APPOINTMENT BASED PRIMARY CARE VERSUS URGENT AND QUICK CARE ISSUES. IF YOU BREAK A BONE, GOOD LUCK GETTING IN AND IT'S NO FAULT OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING THERE, BUT IT'S BEING UTILIZED RIGHT NOW FOR APPOINTMENT-BASED PRIMARY CARE. AND IF YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND YOU TRY TO GET AN APPOINTMENT BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU'VE BROKEN YOUR FOOT OR YOUR NOSE OR YOUR THUMB AND THERE ARE NO APPOINTMENTS AVAILABLE, YOU HAVE TO JUST GO AND SET AND TAKE A GAMBLE THAT YOU'LL BE SEEING. UM, BEHAVIORAL AND MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES ARE AFFECTING OUR COUNTRY AND THE DIVISION IN OUR COUNTRY AND THE OVERALL HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF OUR COUNTRY GREATLY. THE LAST FUNDS THAT WERE ALLOCATED FOR VIRGINIA FOR THIS INITIATIVE, IT WAS $1.5 BILLION THAT WENT TOWARDS BEHAVIORAL AND MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. UM, AND LASTLY, I MISSED OUR LAST WORK SESSION. I HAD TO TRAVEL TO A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY ON EMERGENCY FAMILY TERMS, JOKINGLY AS WE NAVIGATED CUSTOMS AND IMMIGRATION. I MUTTERED TO MY HUSBAND. I MAY VERY, I MAY VERY WELL ACT LIKE KATIE PERRY AND THE OTHER ONE BE ASTRONAUTS WHEN WE'RE STATE SIDE AND GET OFF THIS PLANE AND KISS THE GROUND. I MISSED CLEAN WATER, AIR CONDITIONING AND THE UNITED STATES, IF I'M BEING HONEST. AS THE PLANE TOUCHED DOWN STATESIDE, MY PHONE BEGAN PINGING LIKE CRAZY. IT WAS MY LAYOVER FLIGHT AND I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TIME TO MAKE IT TO THE NEXT, SO I GLANCED DOWN MY CHILDREN. I NOTICED FIRST THEN FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND THE MESSAGES WERE ALL THE SAME. CHARLIE KIRK WAS SHOT. SOMEONE I KNOW FROM FRONT ROYAL MOVED TO ARIZONA TO GO TO WORK FOR TURNING POINT USAA FEW YEARS AGO. INSTINCTIVELY I THOUGHT ABOUT SHOOTING A TEXT TO ASK IF THEY WERE OKAY, WHAT HAPPENED, THE STATUS. BUT AS MY HEAD REELED AND I REALIZED THAT MAYBE INSENSITIVE WHILE I WAS SITTING ON THE TARMAC, I GOOGLED CHARLIE KIRK AND INSTANTLY REALIZED HE WASN'T JUST SHOT, HE WAS DEAD, ASSASSINATED. SOME MAY ROLL THEIR EYES OR WONDER WHY THIS MATTERS TO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY OUR COUNTRY WITNESSED IN REAL TIME AN INNOCENT MAN BE ASSASSINATED FOR EXERCISING HIS FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. I OFTEN DO NOT THINK PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN MY GENERATION AND THE GENERATIONS BELOW MINE, GRASP THE LIBERTY OF HAVING THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO EXERCISE FREE SPEECH. OUR NATION HAS MOURNED THIS ASSASSINATION AND NOT BY DISCREDITING OTHER SHOOTINGS, BUT BECAUSE IT UNFOLDED ON LIVE STREAMING AND IN FRONT OF HIS FAMILY SITTING IN THE CROWD. HE WAS A MAN OF CONVICTION UNAPOLOGETICALLY SPEAKING ON WHAT HE BELIEVED IN AND WHAT HE STOOD FOR. I'VE WATCHED PEOPLE ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AND EXPLORE RELIGION BECAUSE OF HIS ASSASSINATION. AND OVER THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF, IT HAS DEMANDED DEEP REFLECTION FROM ME WHERE THIS COUNTRY IS, WHERE IT WAS AND WHERE IT'S HEADED. YOU SEE, THE COUNTRY IS AND HAS BEEN DIVIDED INTENSELY. SO WE FEEL THAT SQUEEZE TODAY IN OUR VERY OWN COMMUNITY. NO MEDIAN, NO HUMANITY, JUST POLITICAL SIDES. EARLIER THIS YEAR I LEFT A LOCAL POL POLITICAL COMMITTEE THAT I WAS A MEMBER OF FOR ABOUT A DECADE. NOT BECAUSE MY POLITICAL BELIEFS NO LONGER ALIGNED WITH THEIRS OR CHANGED PER SE, BUT BECAUSE ALIGNING WITH WHAT I BELIEVED IN WITHOUT HAVING TO FALL IN LINE TO WHAT OTHERS BELIEVED IN WASN'T SOMETHING THAT I COULD DO. BEING TOLD THAT IF I VOTED A CERTAIN WAY, I WOULD BE REMOVED IS NOT A POLITICAL AFFILIATION. IT'S A CULT. I HAD TO DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND OF WHICH SIDE OF HISTORY I WANTED TO BE STANDING ON AND WHICH FIGHTS I WOULD BE WILLING AND PROUD TO FIGHT WITH MY IMPRESSIONABLE [01:45:01] CHILDREN. WATCHING OUR, OUR COMMUNITY IS ALSO AS DETRIMENTALLY DIVIDED AS THE COUNTRY. AND FOR MANY DIFFERENT REASONS. AS I TRAVELED HOME AND I CAUGHT UP ON THE COUNCIL, THE LOCAL NEWS, ET CETERA, I READ SO MANY LETTERS OF DISDAIN AGAINST ONE ANOTHER IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE VITRIOL AND DISDAIN FOR EACH OTHER OVER THEIR OPINIONS OF A PUBLIC LIBRARY, DATA CENTERS, SCHOOL FUNDING, FIRE DEPARTMENT FUNDING, AND SO ON AND SO ON, HAS MADE SOME PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY SEEMINGLY FORGET THAT THE END OF THE DAY WE CHOOSE FRONT, ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY TO BE OUR HOME. WHETHER YOU WERE BORN AND RAISED HERE LIKE ME AND YOU CHOSE TO STAY OR YOU PICKED THIS, THE PLACE TO COME WORK OR BUY A HOUSE OR RAISE YOUR FAMILY, YOU DID IN FACT CHOOSE IT AND REMEMBER WHY YOU CHOSE IT. THE PEOPLE WE ARE FIGHTING ONLINE AND IN THESE MEETINGS ARE NEIGHBORS. THEY'RE OUR FAMILY, FRIENDS, COWORKERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. PERHAPS SOME MORE, PERHAPS SOME MORE PEOPLE COULD BE LIKE CHARLIE, OPEN-MINDED, OFFER RESPECTFUL DIALOGUE, AGREE TO DISAGREE WHILE EXERCISING YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT. AND FORGIVE JUST LIKE EVERY ELECTION LOCALLY, THIS ONE TOO SHALL END AND WE WILL ALL BE SITTING HERE LEFT TO LIVE AMONGST ONE ANOTHER AFTER IT'S OVER. MAKING THIS COMMUNITY A PLACE THAT WE ARE PROUD TO CALL HOME SHOULD BE OUR PRIORITY. BEFORE I EVER GOT INVOLVED IN THIS TOWN COUNCIL, I WOULD SAY TO PEOPLE ON THE STREETS, IF OUR HATRED OF ONE ANOTHER IS GREATER THAN OUR LOVE OF THIS COMMUNITY, WE'RE AT A LOSS. THANK YOU. THE MAYOR'S [9.C. Report of the Mayor] REPORT FOR THIS MONTH IS, SO ON AUGUST 3RD, I ATTENDED VICTORY IN THE VALLEY AT CHILE HOLLOW BREWING COMPANY THERE TOO. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR GOVERNOR GLENN YOUNG CAN SPEAK AS WELL AS DELEGATES DOLORES OATS AND BILL WILEY. AND THERE WERE MANY OTHER, UM, ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM OTHER, UM, NEIGHBORING PLACES. I DIDN'T GET TO ATTEND THE, UH, CANDIDATES FORUM, BUT I I WAS 'CAUSE THAT THAT WAS PLANNED MONTHS AGO, UH, SEPTEMBER 4TH, I ATTENDED THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR LOOSE COW MERCANTILE. YOU'VE HEARD LOTS OF PEOPLE ALREADY TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. IF YOU'RE UNAWARE OF THIS NEW BUSINESS IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S LOCATED OFF JACKSON STREET AND THE FORMER HAPPY CREEK TEA BUILDING. AMANDA SLATE, HER SON PATRICK AND ALL THE VENDORS HAVE WORKED HARD TO DEVELOP A BEAUTIFUL SMALL BUSINESS THAT PROMOTES LOCAL ARTISANS AND ENTREPRENEURS. PLEASE CHECK IT OUT. SEPTEMBER 13TH WAS A BUSY DAY. I STARTED OFF ATTENDING THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR FAMILY PHARMACY. UM, I REALIZED THAT IT, THAT THAT BUSINESS, IT HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1978, BUT WAS RECENTLY PURCHASED BY A NEW OWNER. AND I, I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY HAD A FEW HICCUPS IN THE BEGINNING BUT HAVE WORKED HARD TO CORRECT THEIR CHALLENGES. THEY'RE THE ONLY LOCAL SMALL NON-BOX, UH, PHARMACY IN THE AREA. SHABAZZ AND HIS STAFF TO INCLUDE JANE MOORE WHO HAS BEEN WORKING FOR FAMILY PHARMACY SINCE 1981. UM, THEY'RE THERE. THEY'RE READY TO WELCOME YOU FOR ALL YOUR PHARMACY NEEDS. JUST WANNA THROW THIS PART IN THERE. 'CAUSE BRUCE WAS TALKING ABOUT THEY HAVE A KID SECTION THERE THAT, UM, IS SET UP WITH LIKE LITTLE COSTUMES AND, UM, BUT THE PLAN IS THAT SOMEBODY FROM THE PHARMACY WILL COME OUT AND DO AN ACTIVITY WITH THE KIDS. AND SO THAT DAY WHEN I WAS THERE, THE KIDS WERE ACTUALLY FILLING PRESCRIPTIONS LIKE WITH THE, THE SAME TOOLS AND, AND THAT THEY USED TO FILL UP PRESCRIPTIONS EXCEPT THEY WERE USING SKITTLES AND THEY WERE FILLING THE LITTLE MADISON BOTTLES. UM, AND, AND THEY WERE JUST SO ENGAGED WITH IT. IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY COOL. UM, AND I ALSO WILL SAY THAT SHABAZZ, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS IMPRESSIVE IS THAT HIS STAFF, HE'S ACTUALLY, UM, HELPING PAY FOR THEIR EDUCATION TO GET THEIR PHARMACY TECH. SO HE'S WAS DOING MORE THAN JUST HIS BUSINESS. HE'S ACTUALLY, UM, GIVING BACK TO THE STAFF TO, TO GET THEM TRAINED. UM, SO, UH, THAT AFTERNOON, THAT SAME AFTERNOON, I ATTENDED THE SHADOW NATIONAL PARK TRUST GATHERING AT BARISTA. AND SOME CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION IS, UM, A GREATER FOCUS ON THE GATEWAY COMMUNITIES TO THE NATIONAL PARK. SINCES FRONT ROW IS ONE OF THOSE GATEWAY COMMUNITIES. WE ARE INCLUDED IN THAT. UM, I BELIEVE THERE WILL NOW BE LIKE QUARTERLY MEETINGS, UM, WITH THE DIFFERENT GATEWAY COMMUNITIES FROM THE PARK. AND I DID LEARN THAT EVENING THAT 40% OF THE VISITORS TO THE SHENDO NATIONAL PARK TRAVEL THROUGH FRONT ROYAL. SO WORKING WITH AND ALONGSIDE THE PARKS IMPORTANT TO BOTH OF US. SEPTEMBER 16TH, I ATTENDED A LOCAL GIRLS SOFTBALL TEAM CALLED THE FRONT WORLD FIRES FUNDRAISER ON OQ AT MAIN STREET. I'LL SAY THAT MY HUSBAND'S SMASH BURGER WAS A HIT. IN FACT, IT WAS SO BIGGIE SAVED [01:50:01] FOR PART OF IT FOR LUNCH THE NEXT DAY. SO GREAT, UM, GREAT PORTIONS THERE. THIS PAST SATURDAY I, ALONG WITH NORTHWESTERN COMMUNITY SERVICES AND THE HEIGHT KIDS FOUNDATION, I HELPED TO ORGANIZE THE FIRST SUICIDE AWARENESS WALK IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE EVENT INCLUDED A MOTORCYCLE RIDE, WHICH HAS BEEN AN ONGOING THING THROUGH THE YEARS, BUT THIS YEAR WE ADDED THE ONE MILE WALK, BUT THE SPEAKERS AND THE OLD GYM WAS FULL OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDING RESOURCES TO THOSE ATTENDING. AND TO ME, THAT WAS THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE DAY. UM, I WAS HONORED TO HELP SPONSOR THE EVENT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING IT EVEN BIGGER NEXT YEAR, SATURDAY AFTERNOON, I ATTENDED THE ARC OF WARREN'S RESOURCE FAIR TITLED NAVIGATING THE MAZE. THIS EVENT CENTERED AROUND SHARING RESOURCES WITH THOSE WHO HAVE DISABILITIES, EITHER THEMSELVES OR THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS. SO IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW IS HAVING CHALLENGES FINDING AND LOCATING RESOURCES, I CAN CERTAINLY PUT YOU IN CONTACT WITH ADAM VITNER AND HIS STAFF WHO DID SUCH A NICE JOB ORGANIZING AND CARRYING OUT THE RESOURCE FAIR THIS SUNDAY. UM, THIS COMING UP SUNDAY, THE WARREN COALITION IS PUTTING ON THEIR CELEBRATE KIDS DAY EVENT AT THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES GYM AND OUTSIDE AREA. I'VE BEEN, UH, FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND IT'S A GREAT EVENT FOR FAMILY AND KIDS. JUST A LITTLE PLUG THAT I'M GONNA BE SITTING IN THE PITCH BURST AGAIN THIS YEAR AND I'M STILL LOOKING FOR DONATIONS TO HELP ME MEET MY GOAL. ALL THE PROCEEDS RAISED IN THE PITCH BURST WILL GO TOWARDS THE COALITION AND ALL THE PROGRAMS THEY PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH ARE TOO NUMEROUS DIMENSION NOW FOR QUITE SOME TIME, MANY CITIZENS HAVE INQUIRED ABOUT HAVING MILITARY BANNERS DISPLAYED AROUND TOWN TO RECOGNIZE VETERANS WHO LIVED OR LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND LAST YEAR DURING MY REELECTION CAMPAIGN, I HAD REGULAR REQUESTS LIKE ALMOST ONCE NIGHT OR ONCE EVERY OTHER NIGHT, SOMEBODY WOULD ASK, 'CAUSE I ALWAYS, WHEN I WAS DOOR KNOCKING, WOULD FOLLOW UP WITH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU ABOUT THE TOWN? IS THERE SOMETHING, UH, YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING OR THAT WE'RE DOING WELL? AND, UM, HAD LOTS OF REQUESTS ABOUT, UM, HAVING A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, LIKE OTHER LOCALITIES. SO I ASKED STAFF TO HELP ME MAKE IT A PRIORITY AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL THAT WE'RE READY TO OPEN THE PROCESS TO THE PUBLIC BEGINNING TOMORROW MORNING AT 9:00 AM UM, THERE IS GOING TO BE INFORMATION ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE AND WARREN COUNTY'S WEBSITE. UM, AND I WANNA THANK WARREN COUNTY BECAUSE THEY AGREED TO HELP SHARE HALF OF THE COST OF THE HARDWARE THAT'S NEEDED TO HANG THESE MILITARY BANNERS. SO I WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE TOWN AND COUNTY CAN WORK TOGETHER FOR OUR CITIZENS. AND I DO APPRECIATE THEIR WILLINGNESS TO HELP SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM. UH, UH, SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE HOMETOWN HEROES BANNER PROGRAM. UM, THIS IS TO RECOGNIZE OUR VETERANS ACTIVE DUTY RESERVE NATIONAL GUARD MEMBERS, UH, WITH PATRIOTIC LIGHT POLE BANNERS DISPLAYED THROUGHOUT TOWN. UM, YOU'LL FIND YOU CAN GET MORE DETAILS ON THE TOWN AND COUNTY'S WEBSITE, BUT JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, IT WOULD FEATURE YOUR HEROES PHOTO, PHOTO AND THEIR MILITARY INFORMATION. IT WILL, UM, THE DEADLINE TO HAVE YOUR BANNER UP BY THIS VETERAN'S DAY IS OCTOBER 31ST AND THEY WILL BE DISPLAYED FROM THIS VETERAN'S DAY AND THEN NEW ONES WOULD COME ABOUT TWO YEARS FROM NOW. SO THAT DISPLAY WILL BE UP THERE FOR TWO YEARS AND AFTER THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THE BANNER IS, UM, YOURS TO KEEP WHOEVER SPONSORED IT, IT IS $75 PER BANNER. UM, AND YOU, YOU SUBMIT THE APPLICATION FOR THE BANNER THROUGH MILITARY TRIBUTE BANNERS.ORG. AGAIN, THIS IS ALL GONNA BE ON THE WEBSITE. UM, YOU JUST NEED TO SELECT FRONT ROW VIRGINIA AND THEN YOU COME TO TOWN HALL, UM, TO PAY WITH A CHECK FOR THAT. THERE ARE LIMITED SPOTS. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW, UM, LIKE I SAID, I, THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE I SPECIFICALLY I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN ASKING QUITE A BIT. I'M GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THE AMERICAN LEGION KNOWS ABOUT IT AND VFW. UM, BUT ANYWAY, I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THAT HAPPENING AND I KNOW IT COULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT STAFF'S UM, INVOLVEMENT. AND SO I JUST AM VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. AND THAT'S ALL FOR THE MAYOR'S REPORT. WE ARE NOW [10. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS] ONTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 10. AND I WILL OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR ENTAL? YES. COUNCILMAN LOC? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. [01:55:01] COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER [11.A. Purchase of Replacement Refuse Truck] 11. UM, WE HAVE BUSINESS ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE IS A PURCHASE OF A REPLACEMENT REFUGE TRUCK COUNCIL'S REQUESTED TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF A COMPLETE INTERNATIONAL FREIGHT LINER M 2 1 0 6 CHASSIS WITH A 25 YARD REAR LOADER REPLACEMENT REFUSE TRUCK FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT FROM XCEL TRUCK GROUP. FLEET TEAM OF WIRES CA, VIRGINIA AND THE AMOUNT OF $266,241. AND THE PURCHASE REPLACES A 2012 INTERNATIONAL 7,600 REFUSE TRUCK NUMBER 6 6 1. AND WE HAD A WORK SESSION ABOUT THIS ON SEPTEMBER 8TH. UM, IS THERE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF AN INTERNATIONAL FREIGHTLINER IN 2106 CHASSIS WITH A 25 YARD REAR LOADER REPLACEMENT REFUGE TRUCK FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT FROM XCEL TRUCK GROUP FLEET TEAM OF WIRES CAVE VIRGINIA IN THE AMOUNT OF 260 60 $6,241 TO REPLACE A 2012 INTERNATIONAL 7,600 REFUSE TRUCK. SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. I HAVE A QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS THE WORK SESSION I WASN'T AT, IT WAS, OR IF I DON'T. OH, OKAY. WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE 2012 INTERNATIONAL? THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE PUT OUT FOR AUCTION RIGHT ON THE SAME, I, I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT IT'S A SITE THAT'S OUT THERE. GOV DEALS, I'M SORRY, GOV DEALS. GOV DEALS. YES. SO IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, MADAM MAYOR. MM-HMM . I'M PLEASED TO SAY AS A RESULT OF THE DISCUSSION OVER THIS, THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THE TOWN MANAGER AND THE STAFF TO DO A STUDY FOR IN THE FUTURE, PERHAPS USING A AUTOMATIC TRASH TRUCK. AND THAT STUDY IS GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. YEP. DURING THIS PHYSICAL YEAR. WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE CONVERSATION. YEP. YEP. I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I, MR. PETTY AND I'D ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. DO YOU WANNA SHARE WHAT, JUST BASICALLY THE CONVERSATIONS ALREADY STARTED WITH STAFF AND SO IT'S, IT'S MOVING FORWARD. SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. ROLL CALL. I MEAN, NOT ROLL CALL. YEAH, ROLL CALL. SORRY. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN OCK? YES. COUNCILMAN REPPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. AND [11.B. Request for Water and Sewer in the Rt. 522 Corridor for Industrial Use from Stafford One Investments, LLC (522 Properties LLC) at Winchester Road and Winners Court] NEXT UP IS, UM, ITEM 11 B AND THAT IS THE REQUEST FOR WATER AND SEWER IN THE ROUTE 5 22 CORRIDOR FOR INDUSTRIAL USE FROM STAFFORD ONE INVESTMENTS LLC 5 22 PROPERTIES LLC AT WINCHESTER ROAD AND WINTERS COURT COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A JOINT REQUEST FROM WARREN COUNTY AND STAFFORD ONE INVESTMENTS LLC 5 22 PROPERTIES LC FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICE WITHIN THE ROUTE 5 22 340 NORTH CORRIDOR. THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 28.3 ACRES IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 12 DASH SIX F FOUR DASH 44 B FOUR DASH 43 A FOUR DASH 45 BP AND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF WINCHESTER ROAD AT ITS INTERSECTION WITH WINTERS COURT. THE INTENTION IS TO CONSTRUCT A 220,000 SQUARE FOOT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE BUILDING FOR A WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION CENTER. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICATION FOR AN OUT OF TOWN UTILITY CONNECTION, THE APPLICANT ESTIMATES THE FACILITY WILL REQUIRE 4,500 GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY ON JULY, JULY 18TH, 2025. UM, CHA PRESENTED AN UPDATED EXCESS VOLUME DETERMINATION FOR 2025 AND AFTER RECEIVING FEEDBACK, THE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN REVISED TO ACCOMMODATE ANY AND ALL POSSIBLE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS SENT TO THE TOWN ON AUGUST 2ND, 2025. AND, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD A WORK SESSION ON MAY 5TH, MAY 12TH, SEPTEMBER 8TH, AND ALSO ON MAY 27TH WITH NO ACTION TAKEN. SO AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR COUNCILS. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL DENY A JOINT REQUEST FOR WARREN COUNTY AND STAFFORD ONE INVESTMENTS, LLC 5 22 PROPERTIES, LLC OWNER FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICE. SECOND. OKAY. UM, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE. ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, SINCE I'M AT LEAST MADE THE SECOND FOR THE MOTION HERE, UH, AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE A QUESTION AS TO WHY, UH, [02:00:01] IT GOES, YOU KNOW, MY, MY STANCE ON THIS HASN'T CHANGED. I FEEL THAT, UH, WITH THE, THE APPLICATIONS WE'VE REVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, IT'S BEEN REALLY WISHY-WASHY. UM, I THINK THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH UNKNOWN ON THIS STILL, AND I I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE LACK OF INFORMATION PER SE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE RECEIVED ON THIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEVELOPERS DON'T HAVE A FINAL ANSWER AS TO WHAT IS GONNA BE OCCUPYING THEIR STRUCTURE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROPOSING LIKE A SHELL STRUCTURE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING WRITTEN TO SAVE FOR THAT MUCH WATER. YOU KNOW, THEY WENT FROM ONE APPLICATION SAYING 56,000 GALLONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UM, DOWN TO 4,500 NOW, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ADDRESS WAS EVEN INCORRECT ON THE, ON THE APPLICATION INITIALLY. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I I, IT MAY SOUND A CLERICAL ERROR, BUT TO ME THAT'S LIKE GETTING YOUR NAME WRONG ON A TEST, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, SO I JUST, TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A FLAG. SO I, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WANNA SAY THAT, THAT'S, I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION ON THIS. UH, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, UM, SUPPORTING THIS WITH, WITH TOO MUCH OF THE UNKNOWN TO ME. SO I MADE THE MOTION THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET OR A PART OF ANY OF THE PROPOSED MOTIONS, UM, WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I WAS GONNA DO. SO UNTIL TONIGHT WHEN WE READ IT AND WENT OVER IT AGAIN, SOMETHING DOESN'T SET RIGHT WITH ME. AND I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME WITH CONCERNS. I UNFORTUNATELY DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS WILLFUL IGNORANCE OR IF SOMEONE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THEIR JOB CORRECTLY. BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS APPLICATION IN FRONT OF ME SHOWS AN ESTIMATED USAGE OF 4,500 GALLONS PER DAY AND THE APPLICATION THAT THEY SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY STATES 56,540 GALLONS PER DAY. SO, UM, I HAVE A REAL ISSUE WITH THE TOWN COMMITTING TO PROVIDE WATER AND ACCESS OF WHAT WE CAN, UM, UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT WHEN IT'S NOT BEEN TRANSPARENT. WHAT THAT AMOUNT ACTUALLY WILL BE 4,500 GALLONS OR SIX 56,540 GALLONS. AND THEY CLAIM TO NOT KNOW WHAT THE USE OF IT IS GOING TO BE, BUT THEY FILLED OUT TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS. SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I MADE MY OWN MOTION TONIGHT FOR THOSE WHO ARE GONNA ASK WHY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES, MA'AM. I LOOKED OVER THIS, THIS APPLICATION AGAIN. UM, THERE'S NO PROPERTY ADDRESS ON IT. IT HAS A TAX MAP. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT AND THE MORE I LOOKED AT IT AFTER I FINISHED MY CONVERSATION, UH, I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH IT. UM, I MEAN, THERE'S NO ADDRESS. THERE'S UM, YOU KNOW, 4,500 GALLONS A DAY. OKAY? SO THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TUB LIFTS, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MANY URINALS, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SINKS. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TUBS OR SHOWERS. ONLY THING THEY CAN SAY IS THEY WANT TO SORT, UH, UH, A WATERLINE OF TWO INCHES AND A FIRE PROTECTION, UH, LINE OF, UH, 10 INCHES. THAT'S ABOUT ALL THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE THINGS SAYS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UM, MADAM MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT OUR STAFF TALKED WITH THE COUNTY AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT, WHAT THE EXPLANATION WAS FOR THE DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNTS OF WATER ON THE TWO APPLICATIONS IF THEY WERE GIVEN ONE. SO THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN FEBRUARY DID STATE 56,000. UM, AS I'M AWARE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IS THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED THE 4,500. IT WAS WENT BACK TO THEM FROM THE TOWN. UM, IT WAS IN THE PLANNING, RECENT PLANNING COMMISSION PACKET OF THE 56. THEY STILL HAD THE OLD FEBRUARY APPLICATION AFTER THE WORK SESSION, THEY HAD SENT THE NEW APPLICATION WITH THE TAX MAP NUMBERS. THERE IS NO PHYSICAL ADDRESS FOR THE PROPERTY 'CAUSE THERE ARE NO STRUCTURES. IT'S VACANT LAND AND THE COUNTY DOES NOT APPLY E 9 1 1 ADDRESSES TO VACANT LAND. IT HAS TO HAVE A STRUCTURE IN ORDER TO GET A PHYSICAL ADDRESS. SO WE GO BY THE TAX MAPS. SO THERE IS A TAX MAP THERE AFTER THE APPLICANT SENT IT BACK TO ME WITH THE PROPER, UH, 4,500 GALLONS AND THE TAX MAPS, I'VE SENT THAT OVER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OUR MEETING WAS ON MONDAY AND THEN THEIRS WAS ON THE FOLLOWING, UH, WEDNESDAY. SO THERE JUST WASN'T A LOT OF TIME TO GET IT IN THE PUBLISHED DOCUMENT. AND JUST IN ADDITION TO, EVEN IF THEY APPROVE 56,000, IT WILL BE IN, IT WOULD BE IN OUR WATER AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD CAP IT AT 4,500. WE PROVIDE THE WATER, WE, [02:05:01] WE PRESENT THE, THE REGULATIONS, NOT, NOT THE COUNTY AT THAT POINT. SO MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ALLOWED TO SPEAK ON IT LOOKING AT BJ, BUT WHEN I CAME INTO COUNCIL, WE WERE DEALING WITH AN ISSUE WHERE WE HAD AN AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE WATER TO A INDUSTRIAL FACILITY IN THE CORRIDOR, WHICH WE THEN ALLOCATE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT LIKE, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA COMMIT TO THIS AND THEY'RE COMMITTING TO US, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS. AND WE DO THESE THINGS WITH THAT IN MIND. AND THEN THEY PUT IN WATER RECYCLERS AND CUT THEIR USAGE DRASTICALLY FROM WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN EARNING FROM PROVIDING THEM THAT AFTER WE HAD COMMITTED TO UPGRADING THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PROVIDE WATER INTO THE CORRIDOR. AND THEN AGAIN, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UNDER A DIFFERENT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AS WE WERE COMMITTING TO THESE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES FOR WATER TO THE CORRIDOR, THEY STARTED SOLICITING APPLICATIONS OR INFORMATION FOR SEEKING WATER FROM ELSEWHERE AND JOINING A REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY, WHICH WOULD'VE BURDENED THE TOWN, THE TOWN TAXPAYERS, THE TOWN CITIZENS GREATLY. UM, SO I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME COMMITTING THIS COUNCIL TO SOMETHING THAT'S VERY VAGUE, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO IN THE END. MADAM MAYOR. YES. WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FUNCTIONING ACTIVE COUNTY EDA. WE KNOW THAT OUR EDA IS M STRO BY THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T DEVELOP IN A QUARTER OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN BECAUSE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DIDN'T RENEW THAT AGREEMENT. MOST AREAS THAT ACHIEVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND BRING IN NEW BUSINESS USUALLY DO IT BY PUTTING UP A SPEC BUILDING THAT THE COUNTY, TOWN, CITY, OR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY DOES WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING A READY BUILDING FOR A FUTURE OF DEVELOPMENT. I RECENTLY READ AN ARTICLE WHERE MARTINSVILLE, HENRY COUNTY LANDED A COMPANY AND A SPEC BUILDING THAT WAS OPENED RECENTLY IN THE, UH, INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT I WORKED AT FOR 10 YEARS. UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE, AT LEAST I DON'T BELIEVE WE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO THAT. I, WE ALL KNOW THAT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, THE COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY DOES NOT HAVE THAT. UM, SO WHEN SOMEONE HAS PLANNED TO COME IN AND OFFER TO PUT UP A BUILDING, THEY ARE SPECULATING ON WHAT WILL GO IN THAT BUILDING. THEY DON'T KNOW. AND WE CAN POINT BACK TO THE, UM, THE WAREHOUSE THAT WAS BUILT WITH THE IDEA OF BEING NEAR THE INLAND PORCH JUST NORTH OF THE JAIL BEFORE THE FAIRGROUNDS. AND THAT TOOK A WHILE. THEY HAD ENVISIONED THAT BEING A WAREHOUSE IN CONNECTION WITH THEM IMPORTANT. IT ENDED UP NOT BEING THAT, BUT TWO OTHER COMPANIES WENT IN, I BELIEVE, AND MR. PETTY COULD CORRECT ME. UM, TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES WENT IN IRON MOUNTAIN AND A CRANE COMPANY, I BELIEVE. SO WE DO HAVE TWO USERS OUT THERE. THEY ARE, UH, PUTTING IN EQUIPMENT. I KNOW THAT WE SET IN A WORK SESSION. STAFF PROVIDED US WITH AN UPDATED WATER USAGE. WE INCLUDED ALL EVEN THOUGHT OF IN THE FUTURE WE COULD, COULD HAVE SOMEONE USING WATER. SO STAFF WORK TO ASSURE US THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THIS. THAT WE WERE NOT PUTTING OURSELVES IN DANGER IN JEOPARDY. I FEEL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A STATED REASON THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS FRENZY ABOUT DATA CENTER, DATA CENTER DATA CENTER FEEL THAT THIS IS AN UNDERHANDED WAY TO BRING ONE IN. IF IT IS, IT IS. I, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN APPLICANT, WE'VE ASKED FOR THE WATER, WE FAILED TO MOVE ON IT IN THE SPRING AND LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, I WOULDN'T SECOND THE MOTION. WE DID MOVE IT FORWARD, BUT I DID IT BECAUSE OF CONCERN WHERE WE WERE ON OUR WATER FACILITIES AND CAPABILITIES. UM, AND I THINK STAFF HAS ANSWERED IT MORE THAN ADEQUATELY. PLUS, THEY NOW HAVE A MODEL THAT EVERY TIME YOU ADD SOMETHING TO IT, THEY CAN DO NEW PROJECTIONS. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE GOT HERE TONIGHT THAT WE'RE NOW GOING TO DENY SOMETHING THAT APPEARED TO BE, UH, SOMETHING COUNSEL WAS IN [02:10:01] AGREEMENT WITH. AT LEAST IN OUR LAST WORK SESSION. WE ALL NODDED OUR HEADS AND SAYS, YEAH, WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER. I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT. I'M SORRY. I WAS SPEAKING. I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT. YOU SAID, WE ALL NODDED OUR HEAD THE POINT OF INFORMATION, BUT POINT OF INFORMATION ON, ON THE FLOOR AND YOU INTERRUPTED ME. SO WHY IS ALL I'M ASKING? I WASN'T NODDING MY HEAD AGREEMENT. OKAY, MAYOR, DECIDE WHAT, THIS IS ENOUGH. THIS IS ENOUGH. THAT'S OKAY. I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS SAYING? YES, I DID. AND DO I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR DEFENSE? YES, YOU DO. THANK YOU. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE COME HERE TONIGHT AND WE'RE GOING TO DENY THIS APPLICANT. UM, EVERYBODY, NO ONE SAYS THEY WANT THEIR TAXES TO GO UP. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A NEGATIVE TAX INCREASE THIS YEAR. THE COUNTY DOESN'T WANT TO INCREASE THEIR TAX. EVERYBODY CRIES. I'LL RAISE MY TAX. BUT WITHOUT SOME OTHER TYPE OF BUSINESS COMING TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND I SAY OUR COMMUNITY, THIS IS IN THE QUARTER TO PRODUCE TAX REVENUE. WE'RE IN THE SAME BOAT DAY AFTER DAY, YEAR AFTER YEAR. SO, UM, WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT A CLOSE SIGN UP AND SAY, WE ARE NOT OPEN TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE DON'T WANT IT, WE DON'T WANT ANY TYPE OF GROWTH AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TAXES WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO UP TO SUPPORT THE SERVICES THAT THE CITIZENS WANT. IS THAT ALL CLOSE? IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YES. UH, YES. MADAM MAYOR, PERHAPS I'M, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT, MAYBE I'M, I'M A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OLD SAYING IT'S CALLED KISS KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID. OKAY. THE, THIS WAS IN MANUFACTURING THAT WAS ALWAYS USED. UM, A TWO INCH WATERLINE. I MEAN, THIS IS A TWO THIS'S ABOUT A TWO INCH WATERLINE. TELL ME HOW YOU CAN GET 56,000 GALLONS OF WATER A DAY THROUGH A TWO INCH WATERLINE . IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. UH, IT'S CLEAR THAT THESE FOLKS ARE BUSINESSMEN. THERE'S SPECULATIVE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A SPECULATIVE, UH, PERSPECTIVE. WHO KNOWS, THEY MAY NOT EVEN KEEP THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO, TRYING TO, UH, GET IT TO THE POINT TO WHERE MAYBE THEY'LL SELL IT OFF TO SOMEONE ELSE. I I, I, I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE CONTROL OF, OF THE WATER USAGE THROUGH THE SIZE OF THE WATER LINE. I THINK THERE'S A 10 INCH, UH, METER AS WELL IF I, UH, METER SIZE. BUT OF COURSE THAT'S FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION. UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS MISSING HERE? YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST CAME TO US, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT WAS, UH, GONNA BE A, UH, WAREHOUSE WITH THREE SHIFTS. UH, THERE WAS GONNA BE 50 PEOPLE ON A SHIFT, UM, AND, UH, 24 7. BUT, UH, AS ANY BUSINESS MEN, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE RE, RE-THOUGHT IT OVER THE, BASED ON THE ECONOMY. SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS BECAUSE IN ORDER FOR THEM, YOU WANT TO BRING UP DATA CENTERS IN ORDER, OR EVEN A LAUNDRY MAT FOR THAT MATTER. UH, THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US, UH, IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE WATER, THE WATER LINE. SO I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE IN COMPLETE, COMPLETE CONTROL OF THE SITUATION. AND I, I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH, UH, NOT DENYING THEM. I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN WOOD. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE FOR YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. DID YOU, FOR CLARIFICATION, TWO THINGS. ONE IS, UM, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO, TO PROVIDE THE WATER TO THE INDUSTRIAL AREA. CORRECT? COMMERCIAL. COMMERCIAL, IS IT? YES. INDUSTRIAL. [02:15:01] NO. RIGHT. AND, AND IF, AND IF WE SAID NO TO THIS PROPOSAL, UM, THEY STILL HAVE OPTIONS OF DOING THEIR OWN WATER. THAT'S ANOTHER POINT, RIGHT? THEY DO. RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE A COUNT. THAT WOULD BE A COUNTY ISSUE. YEAH. AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS, IS THAT EVEN IF WE AFFORDED THEM THE, THE 4,500, THE TWO INCH PIPE, THEY COULD STILL HAVE OPTIONS TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT FOR ADDITIONAL WATER IF THEY SO CHOOSE. CORRECT? I I, I I WOULD NOT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I MAY. YES. YES. SO, UM, STATE LAW PROVIDES THAT FRONT ROYAL MAY, MAY PROVIDE TO INDUSTRIAL USERS OUTSIDE OF TOWN LIMITS WATER AND SEWER SERVICE, PROVIDED THAT THE COUNTY A MAKES THE REQUEST FOR IT MAY PROVIDE, UM, AT SUCH TERMS AS THE PARTIES AGREE AND PROVIDING TO ONE USER DOES NOT COMMIT THE TOWN TO PROVIDE TO ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL USER AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL USE. UH, WE'RE WELL AWARE THAT THERE'S A CORRIDOR AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY THAT ADDRESSES COMMERCIAL USE WITHIN THAT DEFINED AREA. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. WELL, I, I GET THE ONE PIECE OF IT THOUGH IS, IS THERE ANY, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THIS. IF SO, IF YOU, IF THEY HOOK UP WITH THEIR TWO INCH PIPE AND THEIR 4,500 GALLONS, UM, DO THEY, IF THEY THEN LATER DECIDE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND ADD ON, THEY DECIDE, WELL WE REALLY, WE REALLY DO NEED THE 56,000 GALLONS. SO THEREFORE WE'RE GONNA ALSO TAP INTO WHATEVER OTHER WATER SOURCE WAYS THEY HAVE. ARE THEY ALLOWED TO DO THAT? OR ARE THEY, LIKE, DO THEY HAVE TO BE EXCLUSIVE WITH US? I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. BE EXCLUSIVE. WELL, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT I DON'T THINK HAS COME UP BEFORE, BUT IT CAN CERTAINLY BE A TERM IN THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY CANNOT DO THAT. IT'S WHATEVER THE PARTIES AGREE TO. WELL, WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT AGREEMENT. WELL, WE'RE, YES, WE WOULD. MR. IT'S A LEGAL DOCUMENT, MR. SONET. NO, WE WOULD HAVE THE CONTROL. WE WOULD HAVE THE CONTROL OVER THE PIECE THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER MR I THINK WHAT HE, WHAT MR. SONNET WAS SUGGESTING THAT WE COULD PUT IN THE AGREEMENT THAT, THAT WE ARE THE SOLE PROVIDERS OF WATER. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING MR. SONNET? ONE OF THE TERMS POTENTIALLY WOULD BE THAT IF THE TOWN WERE TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER, THAT THE OTHER PARTY WOULD AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE EXCLUSIVE WITH THE TOWN. AND IF THEY DIDN'T WANT IT, THEN THEY DON'T SIGN AND, AND THEY CAN RENEGE, LIKE THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, ANY OF THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS SITTING ALONGSIDE ME WERE HERE, WHICH HAD FINANCIAL REPERCUSSIONS TO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS A LEASE AND THE, AND OR THEY, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT AND THEN AGREEMENT ENDED. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY NO LONGER, AND THAT COULD BE WITH ANY BUSINESS IN THE CORRIDOR, IT COULD SAY, I'M LEAVING AND I'M NO LONGER GONNA GET YOUR MONEY. STAFF. AM I I'M, I'M, I'M LOOKING TOWARDS YOU BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE THE ANSWERS, BUT WELL, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. YEAH, WE ARE. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO A CORRECT WHAT I WASN'T TAKING THE FLOOR TO CORRECT. I WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE WORK SESSION WHERE EVERYBODY NODDED AND AGREED AND WAS READY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. I WAS NOT THERE PHYSICALLY OR VIRTUALLY. SECONDLY, ON ITEM SEVEN E, EVERYBODY ON THIS DIOCESE KNEW HOW TO MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION AND SPEAK THEIR PEACE. BUT SUDDENLY ALL WE CAN DO IS WHAT I WAS ACCUSED OF A FEW MONTHS AGO, GRANDSTAND AND SPEAK ABOUT OUR OPINIONS AND OUR PERSONAL FEELINGS. BUT NOBODY'S MADE AN AMENDED MOTION TO COUNTER MY MOTION. SO LET'S TAKE ACTION ON THIS INSTEAD TALKING ABOUT IT. I ALSO DO NOT USE TRIGGER TERMS. I HAVE NEVER TALKED ABOUT DATA CENTERS OTHER THAN TO DISPEL THE RUMORS. I'M NOT WORRIED IT'S A DATA CENTER. I'M WORRIED THAT THE APPLICATION APPLICANT HAS NOT BEEN TRANSPARENT. WHETHER THAT'S WILLFUL OR NOT, I DO NOT KNOW. IT WAS MY PREFERENCE. I MADE THE MOTION I FELT COMFORTABLE WITH AS I WAS ELECTED TO. DO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS NOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. HERE'S MY LIST. ALL RIGHT. SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WILL WE BE INVESTING ANY COSTS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THIS? WILL THE TOWN ACTUALLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE [02:20:01] TO, TO GO TO THIS BUILDING? THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET IT TO THE BUILDING. THEY HAVE TO RUN IT ACROSS THROUGH THE, THE RSW JAIL. AND I BELIEVE IN ONE OF THE EARLIER, UH, SITE PLANS, THEY ALREADY HAVE ACQUIRED AND OR INQUIRED ABOUT AN EASEMENT THROUGH THAT PROPERTY. SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO GET IT UNDER 5 22 AND OVER TO THEIR PROPERTY. SO WHAT MY QUESTION WAS, UM, IS 'CAUSE THERE WAS SOME QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THAT. THERE WOULD BE A, IF, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF COST THAT THE TOWN WOULD INCUR TO BRING WATER TO THEM SO THAT IF THEY LEFT, THEN WE'D BE, YOU KNOW, ON THE HOOK FOR THE MONEY THAT WE SPENT TO BRING THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE. IS THAT, UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW. MR. UNA IS, I DON'T KNOW IF BJ HAS ANY UPDATES. YEAH. SO THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE, BUT WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT CAPACITY IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CERTAIN CAPACITY WE NEED HAVE, HAVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST TO GET WATER TO THEM. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT PART, WHERE'S THE WATER LINE NOW? IN FRONT OF OUR SW? THE WATER WE, YEAH, AND I'M SORRY MR. MR. BOYARD IN HERE TOO, BUT BETWEEN ALL OF YOU, I'M SURE HE CAN. SO WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE AWARDED THE REDUNDANT WATER LINE, WE ACTUALLY HAD, UH, UM, WE TIED IN ON ALL THE BACKSIDE. SO THERE'S REDUNDANCY ON THE FRONT AND THE BACKSIDE, UH, UH, FROM THE FAIRGROUNDS WATER TANK GOING OUT TO THE, UM, WELL BACK ACROSS THE RIVER. SO THERE IS, THERE'S WATER LINES THERE, BUT THERE'S WATER LINES ON THE WEST SIDE OF 5 22. NO, THERE IS NOT. NO. SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO UNDER 5 22 TO GET OVER AND THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO COME AND TIE INTO US AND WE SET THE METER. CORRECT. SO THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION ABOUT IT, ARE THERE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS THAT THE TOWN WILL INCUR TO GET WATER TO THEM? THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO. CORRECT, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. YES. YES. THE INFRASTRUCTURES OKAY. DON'T LEAVE. 'CAUSE IT MIGHT TAKE ALL, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME JUST ADD TO THAT. YES, SIR. AGAIN, IT'S CAPACITY, BUT, UM, THEY PAY, UM, SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FEES, UH, TWICE THE IN TOWN RATE. RIGHT. OKAY. MY NEXT QUESTION IS, I THINK THE, I'M TRYING TO, I WAS TRYING TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE'S CONCERNS UP HERE. SO AS FAR AS THE ADDRESS, THEM NOT HAVING THE CORRECT ADDRESS, THE REASON IS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST YET IN THE 9 1 1 SYSTEM. SO IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN IF THERE WAS AN EMPTY LOT SOMEWHERE THAT DIDN'T HAVE A STREET TO IT YET. IT WOULD, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT AN ADDRESS, THEY WOULD USE A TAX MAP. CORRECT. OKAY. YES. ANY VACANT PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY TYPICALLY IS ZERO WHATEVER ROAD. OKAY. THE NEXT QUESTION IS LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENTS. SO, UM, IF, IF THE DOCUMENT THAT THE TOWN PREPARES THAT IS PRESENTED TO THEM SAYS THAT WE WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY MORE THAN 50, 4500 GALLONS OF WATER A DAY, THEN THAT'S IT. RIGHT. IF THEY WANT MORE, UNLESS THEY RENEGOTIATED IT, WHATEVER IS IN THE DOCUMENT. I, I, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT WE ASKED THAT QUESTION AT THE WORK SESSION AND YOU SAID IT'S WHAT WE PUT IN THAT, THAT BOTH PARTIES AGREE TO, RIGHT, MR. SONIC? CORRECT. AND IT'S ALSO TIED TO WHAT THE COUNTY ASKED THE TOWN TO PROVIDE. RIGHT. AND I, I DON'T HAVE THAT AT MY FINGERTIPS. I I ASSUME IT'S CONSISTENT. MAYBE JOE HAS THAT INFORMATION. BUT THE AN THE ANSWER IS YES, THE CONTRACT'S BINDING, IF THERE'S USE BEYOND WHAT THE CONTRACT CALLS FOR, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. RIGHT. UH, I WAS GONNA SAY, WELL, THEY, I GUESS THEY'D HAVE TO START BACK WITH THE COUNTY MAD MAYOR, CAN WE PROPOSE AN AMENDED MOTION? CAN I GET THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED? I I'M NOT, THAT WASN'T RUDE AT ALL. I JUST WANNA, I WANNA GET ALL THIS ANSWERED AND THEN WE CAN DO WHATEVER ANYBODY NEEDS TO DO. SPEC BUILDINGS, UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY COMMON. PEOPLE GET BUILDINGS, THEY PREPARE IT AND THEN, AND THEN MARKET IT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS UNFORTUNATELY, AS COUNCILMAN WOOD SAID, BE WELL, NEVERMIND. I DON'T, I'M, I DON'T WANT TO COME ACROSS AS I'M CRITICIZING THE EDA 'CAUSE I'M NOT AT ALL. I'M JUST SAYING THAT I BELIEVE THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST TOO. ALRIGHT, THE NEXT QUESTION IS, HAVE WE APPROVED ANYTHING ELSE RECENTLY, OR AT LEAST IN [02:25:01] MY TIME OR EVEN IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, HAVE WE APPROVED ANYTHING ELSE WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EXACT WHAT THAT BUSINESS WAS GOING TO BE? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. I KNOW WE HAVE IN MY, SINCE I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE WHERE IT WAS LIKE, THEY SAID IT'S A WAREHOUSE. SO IN DECEMBER OF 2024, COUNCIL APPROVED THE EQUI DEVELOPMENT AND THE 53 ACRE PROPERTY THAT THE EDA CURRENTLY OWNS THAT'S UNDER CONTRACT. AND THE APPLICATION WAS FOR 4,200 GALLONS PER DAY. TOILETS WERE EIGHT PLUS OR MINUS EIGHT PLUS OR MINUS URINALS, FOUR SINKS. IT WAS A TWO INCH WATER LINE WITH A 10 10 INCH FIRE SUPPRESSION. UM, CURRENTLY IF YOU GO, THEY ARE MARKETING THAT PROPERTY AS TWO SPEC BUILDINGS AND THEIR TWO SQUARE BOXES ON A MAP. UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE ED EIGHT TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. EQUI DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T EVEN OWN IT CURRENTLY. OKAY. AND THAT WAS IN DECEMBER OF 2022. SO 10 MONTHS AGO, WE THIS SOMETHING ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME. IT WAS A LITTLE EXCEPT FOR THE, EXCEPT FOR ALL THE LITTLE I IDIOSYNCRASIES BETWEEN THE APPLICATIONS THAT WERE WRONG. BUT THEY CORRECTED YES, THEY ARE A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONED INDUSTRIAL. SO THEY'RE ALREADY ONE STEP AHEAD OF, OF MOVING THAT SITE PLAN ALONG. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL, SO THE, THE, UH, TOWN CODE AGAINST STATES THAT THEY HAVE TO COME TO TOWN TO SEEK APPROVAL PRIOR TO A REZONING. SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT EVEN FURTHER BEHIND THAN THAT ONE WAS. AND SO YOU'RE, THAT'S WHY IT'S EVEN MORE SPECULATIVE THIS CASE. SO HYPOTHETICALLY, IF WE APPROVE THAT, WE'LL GIVE THEM WATER, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY FOR THE LAND USE. CORRECT. OKAY. AND YEAH, THEY HAVE A, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR BECAUSE THEY'RE ALSO IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT. OKAY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, WHEN WE HAD THE, UM, INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED WITH US AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, UM, AND EVERY POSSIBLE DEVELOPED THING WAS ON THAT LIST, AND CHA SAID, WE STILL HAD, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EXCESS WATER THAT THE 4,500 GALLONS WAS NOT GOING TO BE A HARDSHIP TO US. CORRECT. MR. BETTY? I, I JUST, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER, BUT IF SOMEBODY REMEMBERS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THE YES, THE EXCESS CAPACITY DID SHOW THAT THERE WAS STILL CAPACITY WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IN THERE FOR THE 4,500. OKAY. AND SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I I DO WANNA SAY THIS. THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE CORRIDOR AND WHAT'S OUT THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE INTENTION WAS ALWAYS THAT THE TOWN WOULD PROVIDE THE WATER, UM, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO DEVELOP OUT THERE. AND, AND, AND VICE MAYOR VINAL IS NOT INCORRECT. AND THAT, AND, AND SINCE SHE AND I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE AT THE COUNTY KIND OF TOYED AROUND WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY MAY, UM, TRY TO GET WATER SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE, AND I AM SURE IT'S BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE WE WERE SOMEWHAT CONTROLLING IT BECAUSE WE HAD TO APPROVE WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD GRANT ACCESS TO IT OR NOT. UM, BUT I, AS I RECALL, THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYBODY. THERE WERE NO TAKERS. THERE WAS NO TAKERS THAT WERE SAYING WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE YOU WATER BECAUSE THE REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY, LIKE THROUGH FREDERICK COUNTY, WOULD NOT GO PAST MAYBE DINOSAUR LAND. I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE, OR A LITTLE BIT PAST THAT. YEAH. LAKE FREDERICK, THEY RIGHT ABOUT LAKE FREDERICK. YEAH. SO THEY WOULDN'T GO PAST THERE. UM, AND I, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, SINCE EVERYBODY'S KIND OF WEIGHING IN ON THEIR THOUGHTS, I I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I AM CONCERNED THAT NO ONE SEEMS TO BE COMING HERE. NOW, WHETHER, AND WHAT I MEAN, WHAT I MEANT BY THAT IS NOT PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE STILL COMING, BUT BUSINESSES AREN'T REALLY, WE, WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A PLETHORA OF, OF BUSINESSES AND THAT ARE WANT, ARE, ARE TRYING TO GET INTO WARREN COUNTY. NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE DEBACLE OF THE EDA MESS, IT COULD VERY WELL BE THAT, OR, OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, UM, HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT THAT THEY THINK THAT WE AREN'T WELCOMING BECAUSE BUSINESSES PROVIDE JOBS AND TAXES. WE DON'T HAVE TO EDUCATE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR CHILDREN NECESSARILY IF THEY'VE MOVED HERE OR MAYBE IT'S OUR OWN PEOPLE ARE GETTING JOBS THERE. SO, UM, I FEEL LIKE THEY, WE REALLY HAVE TAKEN LOTS OF TIME TO DISCUSS THIS. WHEN I LOOK AT ALL THE WORK SESSIONS, AND WE EVEN STOPPED IN MAY AND SAID, NO, HOLD UP, WAIT [02:30:01] A SECOND. AND WE TRIED TO GET MORE INFORMATION. I DO GET THE CONCERN THAT THERE ARE PARTS, YOU KNOW, THAT THE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN 56,000 GALLONS VERSUS 4,500 GALLONS, THE FACT THAT IT CAN BE WRITTEN INTO THE CONTRACT THAT SAYS, THIS IS IT NO MORE. AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL MORE CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT. 'CAUSE I WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, THAT, WELL, WHAT ARE, WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT WITH 56,000 GALLONS? EVEN THOUGH I NEVER, THAT WAS NOT THE PART. I MEAN, THEY CORRECTED THAT QUITE A, QUITE A BIT AGO. BUT ANYWAY, I GUESS ALL I'M, UH, MY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT I GET THAT THEY HAVEN'T TOLD US EVERYTHING, BUT THAT'S HAPPENED TO US BEFORE. AND I SUSPECT IT PROBABLY HAPPENS IN OTHER PLACES TOO, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE A PAD SITE AVAILABLE TO THEM AND THEN TO, AND THEN ONCE THE PAD SITE'S AVAILABLE, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED LAST DECEMBER, I REMEMBER THEY GOT THE SPACE AVAILABLE AND THEN THEY ADVERTISED IT AS THIS IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND, AND THIS IS WHAT CAN BE THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, I I, WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY MONEY TREES IN THIS COUNTY OR IN THIS TOWN. AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN MY ASSESSMENT IS THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA GET ANY MORE MONEY WITHOUT RAISING TAXES ON OUR CITIZENS. AND SO I I, I WOULD HESITATE FOR US TO SIGN ME SOMETHING IF WE DIDN'T KNOW AS MUCH AS WE DID. IF WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT THAT, WAIT A SECOND, LET'S DON'T GIVE AWAY SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GIVING IT TO. BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND THEY WERE AVAILABLE TO OUR LAST WORK SESSION. HOWEVER, WE ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS AND WE HAD ALL THE ANSWERS. SO IS IF THERE'S ANY NEW QUESTIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME FOR US TO ASK STAFF, ARE THEY HERE TONIGHT IN ATTENDANCE FOR THEIR APPLICATION? WELL, I MEANT OUR STAFF WHO I'M JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. NO, BUT THEY WERE THERE AND AT A WORK SESSION WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PRESENT OR HAVE DIALOGUE WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT WE RIGHT. BUT I'M SAYING THOUGH, THEY WERE AVAILABLE. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. THANK YOU. AND THEY OFFERED, AND I SAID, NO, WE DON'T HAVE DIALOGUE AT WORK SESSIONS. THAT WOULD BE, BUT WE ALSO ASKED IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS TO LET STAFF KNOW ANYBODY. I BELIEVE THAT WAS WHAT HAPPENED AT THE, I BELIEVE AT THAT MEETING. THAT'S HOW WE ENDED IT WITH, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, LET STAFF KNOW. AND WAS THAT SEPTEMBER 8TH? YES. CORRECT. AND ALSO, NOBODY ON THIS DIOCESE HAS TO AGREE WITH MY MOTION ON SEVEN E. YOU ALL GAVE YOUR AMENDMENTS, YOUR PROPOSALS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT HERE AND ARGUE WHY YOU DON'T AGREE WITH MY OPINION. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION. THAT'S WHAT ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IN YOUR ELECTED POSITION HERE ALLOW INSTEAD OF JUST ARGUING WHY YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS ARGUING, OR AT LEAST MY, MY QUESTIONS WERE, IT'S UP INTERPRETATION. WELL, MY QUESTIONS WERE BASED ON THE CONCERNS I HEARD, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED STAFF AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. UM, AND I, AND I DO THINK THAT'S WHAT DISCUSSION IS. NOBODY'S TAKING ACTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SITTING HERE TO DO. IT'S TIME TO TAKE ACTION. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION, MAKE IT. OTHERWISE WE NEED TO HAVE A ROLL CALL. WE COULD SIT HERE AND DEBATE ALL NIGHT. WELL, AND I, AND THAT WOULD BE MY JOB TO DETERMINE WHEN IT'S TIME FOR US TO TAKE A VOTE. I WOULD, I WOULD WANT TO. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CERTAINLY HAVE TAKEN TIME TO DO OTHER THINGS TONIGHT, SO I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN, DOES ANYBODY ON COUNCIL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU BJ. MM-HMM . IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS WE CAN DO ROLL CALL. NO. OH, I'M SORRY. MR. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT. DID YOU, WAS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION OR COMMENT? GO AHEAD. IT. I'M JUST GONNA REITERATE THAT THERE'S NOTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT SPECULATIVE, UH, UH, . AND SO, I MEAN, I CAN THINK OF A BUILDING NEAR WHERE I'M WORK WHERE I'M WORKING AT, DOWN, DOWN IN, UH, THE FREDERICKSBURG AREA AND THEY HAVE BUILT A SPECULATIVE BUILDING AND THEY HAVE WATER AND THEY HAVE SEWER AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO BE, BUT IT WILL BE SOMETHING AND TO TURN AROUND, TURN AWAY. I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT HARD FOR BUSINESS TO COME INTO FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY. OKAY. AS THE MAYOR ALLUDED TO, IT'S GOING TO HELP KEEP OUR TAXES LOW BECAUSE IT'S GONNA CREATE JOBS, IT'S GONNA CREATE REVENUE, AND THEN IT SHOWS THAT WE ARE OPEN FOR [02:35:01] BUSINESS. SO WITH THAT, MAYOR, I'M ON ON, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND BACK TO THE PROPOSED MOTION, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. YOU HAVE TO STATE, YOU HAVE TO STATE WHAT THE AMENDED MOTION IS. IF, IF I MAY, MAYOR? YES, SIR. SO IN THIS CASE IT, LET'S JUST CALL IT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. OKAY. SUBSTITUTE MOTION. ALRIGHT. SUBSTITUTE MOTION. I MOVE THAT COUNSEL, BASED UPON A FINDING OF SUFFICIENT EXCESS CAPACITY, APPROVE A JOINT REQUEST FROM WARREN COUNTY AND STAFFORD ONE INVESTMENTS, LLC 5 22 PROPERTIES, LLC OWNER FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICE, NOT TO EXCEED 4,500 GALLONS PER DAY WITHIN THE ROUTE 5 22 3 40 NORTH CORRIDOR ON PROPERTY IDENTIFIED AT TAX MAP 12 DASH SIX F FOUR DASH 44 B FOUR DASH 43 A FOUR DASH 45 BP, AND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF WINCHESTER ROAD AT ITS INTERSECTION WITH WINTER'S COURT FOR USE AS, AS AN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION CENTER, CONDITIONED UPON CONVEYANCE TO THE TOWN OF ANY NECESSARY EASEMENTS IN THE EXECUTION OF AN OUT OF TOWN EXCESS CAPACITY UTILITY AGREEMENT. AND DIRECT THE TOWN MANAGER AND TOWN ATTORNEY TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL TOWN CODE REQUIREMENTS WITH RATES AND CHARGES AT 100% MORE THAN THE IN TOWN RATES AND CHARGES. SECOND, I HESITATE TO SAY, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SURE. THAT'S WHERE A POINT OF ORDER WOULD'VE BEEN APPROPRIATE WHEN FOR 45 MINUTES. THE DISCUSSION WAS HOW THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH MY MOTION INSTEAD OF MAKING ANOTHER MOTION. BUT I DIGRESS AND I WOULD BE GLAD IF YOU WOULD CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NOPE. OKAY. MS. PRESLEY. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? NO. COUNCILMAN ? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? NO. COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. THE NEXT [12. CLOSED MEETING] ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE CLOSED AND HERE'S THE REVISED MOTION. I MOVE THE TOWN COUNCIL. CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES. ONE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.23711 A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE INSOLVENCY AND DISPOSITION OF ASSETS OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF CURRENT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN VIRGINIA. TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A THREE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE OR OF THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY, WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE SALE OF VACATED 13,324 SQUARE FEET, NORTH ROYAL AVENUE AND THE UNIMPROVED ALLEY BETWEEN NORTH ROYAL AVENUE AND VIRGINIA AVENUE. AND THREE, PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, OR INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN WOOD. COUNCILMAN WOOD. COUNCILMAN WOOD ? UH, YES. VICE MAYOR VIBA? YES. COUNCILMAN OCK? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DE DEMON PAYNE? YES. ALRIGHT. UM, GONNA MEET OVER THERE. I'D SAY EVERYBODY TAKE A QUICK BREATH. BRING, IF YOU GOTTA GO. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.