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I WANNA CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR[Town Council Work Session on September 8, 2025.]
TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 8TH TO ORDER.AND WE ARE GOING TO DO A ROLL CALL FIRST.
HI, I'M HERE REMOTE FROM HOPKINS VILLAGE POLICE DUE TO A FAMILY MEDICAL EMERGENCY.
SHE STATED WHY AND THE LOCATION.
I TYPE VICE THE CONDITION THAT VICE MAYOR, IF YOU COULD GENERALLY VERY GENERALLY STATE THE MEDICAL CONDITION THAT REQUIRES YOUR PROVIDING CARE.
SO, MEDICAL EXTRADITION OF MY FATHER-IN-LAW.
THE MEDICAL CONDITION THAT REQUIRED YOU TO PROVIDE CARE.
IT JUST VERY GENERALLY, UM, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO STATE GENERALLY, UH, HOSPITALIZATION.
A MEDICAL CONDITION REQUIRING HOSPITALIZATION AND, UH, UH, EXTRADITION AND, AND, UH, AND PROVIDING CARE BY YOU EXTRADITION BACK TO THE STATE? CORRECT.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO VICE AL PARTICIPATING REMOTELY? NO.
FIRST UP IS OUR FRIDA UPDATE AND, UM, LIZZIE LEWIS IS HERE TO PRESENT TO US AND SHE GAVE COUNCIL SOME HANDOUTS AS WELL.
VICE MAYOR, I HAVE DIGITAL COPIES FOR YOU.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY.
SO THE FIRST THING WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IS OUR FRONT ROW ATOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
SO WE HAVE BEEN PRETTY BUSY AS THE F-R-E-D-A, CONDUCTING A NUMBER OF VISITS, UM, TO GET A FEEL FOR ONSITE HOW THINGS ARE WORKING.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT SPEAKERS IN THE INDUSTRY, INCLUDING ANDY GUYON FROM THE, THE NEW DIRECTOR FOR SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER OUT OF LAUREL RIDGE.
UM, WE'VE HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP STARTING WITH RETAIL STRATEGIES.
WE GOT GREAT DATA OUT OF THEM IN, I GUESS IT WAS ABOUT MARCH THAT THEY PROVIDED THE, THE FEEDBACK TO US, THE ECONOMIC IMPACT DATA, THE CONSUMER MAPPING.
UM, AND THEY'VE BEEN HAVING ONGOING CONVERSATIONS SINCE WE SIGNED WITH THEM IN DECEMBER.
UM, THEY'VE GOT OVER 40 ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH REGIONAL AND NATIONAL BRANDS ON OUR BEHALF.
UM, DUE TO THE NATURE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, WE CAN'T GET INTO GREAT DETAIL, BUT THEY ARE ACTIVE, SO THAT'S GREAT.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A LITTLE BIT OF A WEBSITE, UM, SO THAT WE'VE GOT A RESOURCE FOR FOLKS.
AND THEN THIS NEW BUSINESS BLUEPRINT, WHICH IS THE SECOND PAGE THAT YOU'VE GOT THERE.
SO THIS IS A DRAFT, SO NOBODY THROW ANYTHING AT ME YET, BUT IT'LL BE A TRIFOLD.
AND WHEN YOU OPEN IT, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE SOMETHING TO HELP FOLKS NAVIGATE THE PROCESS OF BECOMING A NEW BUSINESS IN FRONT ROYAL.
SO EVEN PROVIDING THE CONTEXT OF YOU NEED TO BRAINSTORM YOUR IDEA, MAKING A PLAN, UM, YOU KNOW, FINDING FUNDING, TALKING TO PLANNING AND ZONING.
CAN YOUR BUSINESS REALLY GO WHERE YOU WANT IT TO GO? AND IF IT CAN'T, HOW DO WE GET THERE? UM, GETTING YOUR BUSINESS LICENSE EVEN RIGHT DOWN TO THE PHONE NUMBER FOR THE TOWN FINANCE OFFICE.
AND THEN ON THE BACK OF THAT DOCUMENT, WE PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THIS IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS.
UM, BUT THIS IS THE FRESHEST VERSION OF THIS AFTERNOON MEETING.
UM, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARD.
IT'S, IT'S A HOLE IN OUR MARKET HERE.
UM, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS VERY INTERESTED IN BEING ABLE TO USE THIS DOCUMENT.
I KNOW OUR FRIENDS IN PLANNING AND ZONING GET A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE READY TO START A BUSINESS AND MAYBE COULD USE A LITTLE GUIDANCE.
SO HAVING SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GIVE TO THEM.
AND THIS WILL ALSO LIVE ON OUR WEBSITE.
UM, I, WE, WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THIS WILL BE HELPFUL.
WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND SOME OF THEM WERE
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A LITTLE MORE FANCIFUL THAN OTHERS.SO THIS IS KIND OF A GOOD BRIDGE GAP BETWEEN SOME OF THE ONES WE'VE SEEN AND WHAT WE USED TO HAVE, WHICH WASN'T TERRIBLY INFORMATIVE.
SO, DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU MIGHT HAVE SAID THIS WHEN YOU SAID ABOUT, UM, MARK RETAIL STRATEGIES MM-HMM
DO YOU KNOW WHEN THERE, WHEN ANY INFORMATION THEY'VE GATHERED IS GONNA SOMETHING READY TO SHARE? I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE'LL HAVE A MORE DETAILED UPDATE FROM THEM RELATIVELY SOON.
UM, I, I RECENTLY GOT A QUARTERLY UPDATE THAT WAS MORE GENERIC.
UM, BUT WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON WAYS TO FIND, FIND A WAY TO TRACK THE PHASES OF THESE CONVERSATIONS, EVEN IF WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO THE, THE CONTRACTUAL DETAIL.
UM, SO I, I SHOULD HAVE MORE INFORMATION SOON.
I KNOW SIM'S NOT A GREAT CALENDAR ITEM, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.
DID WE HAVE CONTRACTUALLY PUT IN, DID WE HAVE DATES OR ANYTHING BEFORE? WELL, THAT, IT'S FUNNY YOU SAID THAT WE DO.
WHEN YOU SAID THAT, I WAS THINKING, I WAS WONDERING IN THE CONTRACT WE SIGNED, IF IT, I KNOW THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS THEY WERE GONNA PROVIDE CORRECT.
FOR THIS FIRST AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE SPENT.
UM, AND THE EDA BOARD ACTUALLY HAD AN OPEN CONVERSATION THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE MET ALL OF THOSE DELIVERABLES.
WE FEEL GENERALLY CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE, BUT WE ARE GONNA GET INTO THOSE DETAILS, UM, AND REVIEW THAT CONTRACT, WHICH WAS EXECUTED IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
UM, SO WE'RE COMING UP ON THAT ONE YEAR MARK WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR RENEWAL.
SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO, I BELIEVE IT'S AN AUTORENEW, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO OPT OUT GETTING THE PROPER NOTICE AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IT WAS A ONE YEAR CONTRACT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND I WOULD SAY OFF THE CUFF THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE THE ONE YEAR COMES UP, PROBABLY I WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? HOPEFULLY THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US SOMETHING BEFORE THE ONE YEAR.
I'M JUST SAYING, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY WE WOULD RENEW IF WE HAVEN'T GOT ANYTHING TANGIBLE YET.
AT LEAST I, I THINK IT, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF TANGIBLE, BUT I'M, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY COGNIZANT OF THAT DEADLINE.
UM, AND WE WILL HAVE COMPILED WHATEVER THOSE TANGIBLE ITEMS HAVE BEEN, UM, HERE VERY SOON.
WELL, I THINK THIS IS GREAT FOR THE PUBLIC AND YOU KNOW, THAT ESPECIALLY THERE ARE SO MANY FREE RESOURCES OR NO COST.
YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, THINGS LIKE THE SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER, THAT'S COMPLETELY FREE.
AND EVEN IN RESEARCHING SOME OF THE THINGS TO GO ON THE, THAT I WAS LIKE, OH, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO KEEP RIGHT.
UM, THERE'S LOTS OF GREAT STUFF OUT THERE.
SO BEING ABLE TO COMPILE THOSE RESOURCES INTO ONE THING I THINK WILL BE HELPFUL FOR BOTH, BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HEAR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PEOPLE THINK, LIKE, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE THINK LIKE BIG, LIKE WHAT, WHAT COMPANIES COMING IN, WHAT FACTORIES COMING IN, WHAT PLANTS COMING IN, WHAT BUSINESS COMING IN.
BUT SMALL BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY NEED, THEY, YOU KNOW, THIS, I CAN SEE THIS REALLY BEING BENEFICIAL TO THEM.
IT'S A LOT TO THINK ABOUT, A LOT TO PROCESS IT, A LOT TO BOX, A LOT OF BOXES TO CHECK.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING IT AS CLEAR FOR FOLKS AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN THE TOWN MANAGER HAD ASKED THAT I GIVE YOU ALL A BRIEF TOURISM UPDATE AS WELL.
SO THAT'S THE REST OF YOUR NOVEL THAT I DROPPED ON YOUR DRAFT HERE.
SO THOSE THREE RACK CARDS ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE CREATED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT WE'RE USING.
AND ACTUALLY WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE TO ORDER A REPRINT BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY POPULAR.
UM, THE DISCOVERING FRONT ROYAL WINES, WHICH OF COURSE WE'RE USING FRONT ROYAL AS A GENERAL AREA, SO WE INCLUDED OUR FRIENDS IN HANOCK AND FTE COUNTY AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN THE WATERING HOLES IS BREWERIES AND MEAD AND
AND THOSE ARE REAL ATTRACTIONS FOR PEOPLE AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE THAT YOU SEE IS ACTUALLY THE BOTTOMS UP BEVERAGE TRAIL.
SO THIS IS A NEW PARTNERSHIP WITH CLARK COUNTY TOURISM.
UM, WE LAUNCHED THIS ON AUGUST 1ST.
THERE ARE 12 STOPS ON THE TRAIL, SEVEN IN WARREN COUNTY, FIVE IN CLARK.
UM, IT'S A FREE PROGRAM FOR FOLKS TO PARTICIPATE IN.
THEY VISIT A PLACE, THEY CHECK IN ON THE PHONE, EITHER WITH A PHOTO OR ALLOWING IT GEOGRAPHIC ACCESS, LOCATION ACCESS.
UM, AND THEN THEY EARN PRIZES AS THEY GO.
SO YOUR FIRST TWO, YOU GET A PRIZE AND IT'S SIX, WHICH IS A MIDWAY POINT.
AND THEN IF YOU COMPLETE THE WHOLE THING, OR I SHOULD SAY WIN YOU THE WHOLE THING, UM, THERE'S A LARGER PRIZE AS WELL.
SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PRIZES? SO YOU KNEW I WAS GONNA HAVE TO I DID.
AND I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THEM AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, SO AT TWO STOPS YOU GET A STICKER.
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YOU GET A COZY.THAT'S ACTUALLY, UM, DO YOU REMEMBER THE SLAP BRACELET? YEAH.
SO IT'LL ACTUALLY FIT ON ANY SIZE, ANYTHING.
UM, AND THEN THE PRIZE, WHEN YOU GET ALL 12 IS A, IS A 20 OUNCE MUG.
THAT'S, UM, ONE OF THOSE SILICON PINT, THE SILICONE ONES.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE BLUE RIDGE MOUNTAINS.
IT'S GOT OUR LOGO ON IT, THE LID.
AND SO YEAH, IT'S PRETTY COOL.
UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD, WE'VE GOT 193 ACTIVE USERS RIGHT NOW ON THE TRAIL.
AND WE JUST STARTED AND WE HAVE DONE NO MARKETING.
WE'VE JUST PUT MATERIALS IN ALL OF THE 12 STOCKS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
UM, WE'VE GOT 264 CHECK-INS AS OF YESTERDAY.
UM, WE'VE GOT 47 WHO'VE ALREADY EARNED THAT FIRST PRIZE LEVEL.
AND WE JUST HAD TWO YESTERDAY WHO COMPLETED THE DRILL.
REALLY? THEY WERE REALLY COMMITTED.
AND WE'RE PROUD OF THAT EVERY WEEKEND.
UM, AND THEY LIVE IN ASHBURN, SO IT WAS COOL THEY WERE COMING OUT HERE TO COME AND DO THAT, AND THEN GOING BACK HOME.
SO, UM, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO.
SO IT'S SO FAR WE'RE HAPPY CAMPERS.
UM, AND WE ARE SHARING THE COSTS WITH CLARK COUNTY.
UM, SO THAT'S BEEN HELPFUL AS WELL.
DID THEY, DID THE PLACES, DID THEY, DID THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO AGREE TO DO IT? I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IT'S A WHOLE LOT OF WORK ON THEIR PART.
IT'S NOT, OTHER THAN TO CHECK IN.
WE, WE WERE VERY INTENTIONAL IN THE, THE SOFTWARE THAT WE ARE USING FOR THIS.
THERE IS ZERO LIFT ON OUR PARTNERS.
SO YOU JUST HAVE TO, YOU AS A PERSON WHO WANTS TO USE IT, JUST HAVE TO BE THERE.
UM, THE STAFF DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOU A CODE.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING FOR THEM TO HAVE TO DO.
AND WE'RE DOING THIS AT ZERO COST TO THOSE PARTNERS.
WE ARE ABSORBING THE COST US IN CLARK COUNTY TOURISM.
I JUST WANNA SAY KUDOS TO YOU BECAUSE YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THE ONE IN ROCKRIDGE MM-HMM
ROCKINGHAM COUNTY, WHERE YOU CARRIED A PHYSICAL PASSPORT AROUND, SOMEBODY HAD TO PUT A STAMP IN, AND THEN YOU HAD TO GO TO DISTRICT CENTER AND, UH, SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF EFFORT.
BUT WITH THIS, YOU SIMPLY OPEN UP THE PHONE IN THE LOCATION, YOU TAKE A PICTURE, UM, FIND THE LOCATION.
AND UH, CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING THIS GOING.
YEAH, WE, WE WANTED TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY.
YOU DIDN'T WANNA HAVE TO, OH SHOOT, I FORGOT THE PASSWORD HOME.
OR, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE HAVE THEIR PHONE WITH THEM, SO, UM, AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO DOWNLOAD AN APP.
SO IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE DOWNLOADING SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH, THAT'S OKAY.
UM, AND IT WAS VERY, VERY, VERY REASONABLY PRICED IN THIS SPACE.
'CAUSE IT'S, AGAIN, ALL WEB BASED, SO IT'S LESS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN GREAT.
SO, SO FAR WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED.
AND SOME OF THE PICTURES FROM THE CHECK-INS HAVE BEEN REALLY FUN TOO.
SO WE'RE GONNA START USING THOSE FOR MARKETING.
CAN I ADD SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY'S KNOWLEDGE, IF YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT WITH THE, UM, WATER, WARREN COUNTY WATER AND ALLS AND THE, UH, DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL WINE, ESPECIALLY THE TOWN IS PROMOTING AND ADVOCATING FOR COUNTY BUSINESSES.
BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT CENTERED IN THE TOWN.
UH, MORE SO, 'CAUSE ALL THE WINERIES WERE LOCALLY OR IN THE COUNTY OR THE ADJACENT COUNTIES.
UH, BUT MOST OF THE SEVERE MEAT ARE OBVIOUSLY LOCAL, LOCATED IN THE TOWN.
BUT I'VE GONE AROUND TAKING THESE TO SEVERAL OF THE BREWERIES AND IES AND SAID, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, THE TOWN IS DOING TO PROMOTE YOUR BUSINESS.
AND, UM, A VERY POSITIVE RESPONSE FROM ALL OF 'EM.
SO, AGAIN, KUDOS TO YOU AND YOUR BROTHER.
ACTUALLY, UH, VISITED JOEY HOLLOW BREWING COMPANY LAST WEEK.
I'M NOT A, I DON'T NECESSARILY, I'M NOT ALL DIFFERENT PLACES.
LIKE, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE GEM HIDDEN MM-HMM
AND, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE THERE, LIKE CATTLE WERE OUT IN THE FIELD AND THERE WAS LIKE A PLAYGROUND.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IT'S COOL IS WHEN PEOPLE MAKE, WHEN SOME OF THOSE OUTDOORSY THINGS HAVE FAMILY ATMOSPHERE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY CAN ABSOLUTELY.
THEY HAVE THEIR KIDS IN THE WEEKENDS AND THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, FEEL SAFE TAKING IN THERE OR SOMETHING TO DO.
OH, THANK SO ON THIS LITTLE, LITTLE ONE SHEET HERE, UM, GIVING YOU KIND OF A, A FEEL FOR OUR VISITOR COUNT INSIDE THE VISITOR CENTER THIS YEAR.
OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW THAT NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO THE VISITOR CENTER.
UM, BUT WE'RE ABOUT 7% LESS THAN WHERE WE WERE THIS TIME LAST YEAR, AS FAR AS VISITORS THROUGH THE DOOR.
BUT WE'RE 7% HIGHER THAN WE WERE THIS TIME IN 2023.
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I'M NOT TERRIBLY NERVOUS.UM, OUR RETAIL SALES TO DATE HAVE BEEN ABOUT 12,600, WELL, $12,658.
UM, WE'RE STILL CONTINUING OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH CHINO VALLEY TOURISM PARTNERSHIP AND CHINO VALLEY TRAVEL ASSOCIATION.
WE JUST RECENTLY JOINED THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF DESTINATION MARKETING ORGANIZATIONS.
BMOS, YOU HEAR US SAY THAT SOMETIMES.
UM, SO WE RECENTLY JUST JOINED THEIR ASSOCIATIONS WHO ARE EXCITED TO GO TO THEIR FALL, UM, CONFERENCE, MINI CONFERENCE THE DAY, UM, NEXT MONTH.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF PRINT MARKETING AND A LOT OF DIGITAL THIS YEAR.
UM, BLUE RIDGE DIGEST, BLUE RIDGE OUTDOORS, BLUE RIDGE PARKWAY PLANNER.
WE DID A, A VERY LARGE, UH, LABOR IN THE BLUE RIDGE PARKWAY PLANNER BECAUSE THAT'S AN ANNUAL DOCUMENT.
UM, SO WE WENT AHEAD AND A LITTLE BIGGER IN THAT ONE.
YOU'LL SEE US IN THIS MONTH'S ISSUE.
UM, NORTHERN VIRGINIA MAGAZINE.
WE'VE BEEN IN TWICE THIS YEAR, I THINK.
UM, AND OF COURSE THE DAY TRIPPER WITH NORTHERN VIRGINIA DAILY.
WE LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LOCAL EVENTS ARE PLACED IN THERE TOO.
AND THEN DIGITAL, WE'VE BEEN DOING META AND GOOGLE ADS SPECIFICALLY.
WE DID, UH, WE DID A SPECIFIC TARGETED CAMPAIGN FOR APPALOOSA THIS YEAR.
UM, THAT GOT A LOT OF HITS TO OUR WEBSITE.
WE WERE TRACKING THAT PRETTY ACTIVELY.
UM, AND THEN GOOGLE ADS, WE'VE BEEN VERY GENERAL IN SUMMER TRIPS AND NOW LEANING INTO FALL TRIPS AS WELL.
UM, WE SAY DO SO SOME OF THE PRINTS AND THE MARKETING AND STUFF MM-HMM
UM, ACTUALLY KNOW IN THE PAST, LIKE WAY PAST, UM, WE, THAT THAT'S OUT OF OUR BUDGET.
UH, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYALS BUDGET.
DOES THE COUNTY, DO THEY, DO I KNOW THAT WE INCLUDE THEM IN OUR MARKETING OR NOT THEM? WE, THAT WE ARE INSIDE ASSETS.
ASSETS THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY? YES.
I'M, I'M SAYING LIKE WE ARE DOING THAT AND WE'RE IN THE TOWN SMART OIL.
SO THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THEM AS WELL.
BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THEY, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD SOME TOURISM STUFF GOING ON AND THEN THEY HAD HAD A POSITION, HIRED A POSITION, DECIDED NOT TO FILL THE POSITION, YOU KNOW, YADA YADA YADA.
AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT TOURISM MM-HMM
AT THE LIAISON MEETING IN JULY.
AND WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE THAT CONVERSATION IN ON OCTOBER'S AGENDA.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, DO WE DO A, I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN, THEY DON'T HAVE A LIZZIE AT THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? NOT PRESENTLY, NO.
SO, SO, UH, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY HAVE NOT DONE ANY PRINT ADS THIS YEAR.
THEIR WEBSITE IS NOT UP EITHER.
THE LAST I CHECKED, IT WASN'T, NO SIR.
SO YOU HAD APPOINTED ME TO ATTEND COUNTY TOURISM MEETINGS.
UM, AND PEOPLE WERE WORKING VERY HARD AT, AT PROMOTING THE AREA.
UH, JANE MEADOWS IS THERE FOR THE COUNTY.
UM, JANE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME TALKING TO US LAST TIME ABOUT LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR, THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY.
MATTER OF FACT, WE PROBABLY HAVE FOUR PAGES OF IDEAS TO CALL DOWN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GO HOME, UM, ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO RECOGNIZE THE 250TH BIRTHDAY OF THE COUNTRY.
UM, AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEAS.
THEY TALK ABOUT SOME AGRI TOURISM IN THE FUTURE, PERHAPS HAPPENING, YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IN THE, UH, ROCKLAND ROAD PARK AREA.
UM, BUT UH, YEAH, THEIR WEBSITE IS DOWN, HAS BEEN DOWN.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WHEN IT WAS UP, IT DIDN'T MENTION ANY SECOND TOWN.
IT WAS THE 5 22 QUARTER FOR EATING AND WHERE TO GO AND, BUT NOTHING INSIDE CORPORATE LIMITS.
LIKE THERE WAS A WALL AROUND US OR SOMETHING.
SO HOPEFULLY THROUGH FURTHER DISCUSSIONS THROUGH THE LIAISON, I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT THERE ON A LIMB, BUT I'LL ASK YOU THIS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE BIGGEST THING WE NEED TO REALLY GET THIS THING GOING? OH BOY.
WELL, DO YOU MEAN THE, TO THE PARTNERSHIP OR JUST IN GENERAL, HOW DO YOU SEE TAKING OUR AREA TO THE NEXT LEVEL? HOW WOULD YOU SEE THAT? ALRIGHT, SO UNFORTUNATELY EVERYTHING COSTS MONEY.
THERE'S VERY LITTLE FREE IN THE WORLD NOW.
AND AS PEOPLE TIGHTEN THE BELT ON SPENDING ON VACATIONS ON THAT SORT OF THING, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT THE TIME TO SLOW DOWN ON YOUR MARKETING OR QUIET THAT NOISE.
YOU REALLY HAVE TO TURN THAT UP.
AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO PUT MONEY BEHIND IT.
SO BARRING, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY TREE OUT BACK, UM, BEING REALLY FRUITFUL.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHERE ELSE WE CAN FIND FUNDING FOR THIS TYPE OF MARKETING.
UM, IF YOU WANNA DIFFERENTIATE
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YOURSELF IN OUR MARKET, WE'RE, WE'RE BEAUTIFULLY PLACED.WE'RE, WE'RE VERY BLESSED WITH ALL OF THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE AND THAT WE'RE 70 MILES WEST OF DC AND, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY MILES WE ARE FROM BALTIMORE AND RICHMOND.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN BE A PREMIER DESTINATION FOR THEM, BUT WE DO HAVE TO BE A LITTLE LOUDER THAN OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE SPENDING MORE ON ADVERTISING.
UM, THERE ARE NEIGHBORS AROUND US WHO ARE SPENDING A LOT MORE ON ADVERTISING THAN WE ARE.
UM, SO THE ONLY WAY TO CUT THROUGH THAT UNFORTUNATELY, IS TO BE JUST AS LOUD.
ARE THERE ANY MATCHING GRANTS? YES.
SO I MEAN, IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE A MATCHING GRANT MM-HMM
THAT IS SOMETHING NEW FOR 2026, UM, THAT, UH, MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT TO SEE IF YOU CAN FIND ANYTHING.
UM, I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE HAVE THE STAFF, THE VISITOR CENTER, WHICH IS THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY VISITOR CENTER.
IT'S ADVERTISED OUT ON, UM, INTERSTATE 66.
UH, IF YOU GO IN THERE, IT'S, THEY HAVE A, A GREAT COLLECTION OF, OF THINGS LIKE THE DOCUMENTS WERE THE RACK CARDS THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
UH, AND, AND LUCY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE OUT IS PUT MORE MONEY IN THE MARKETING.
AND PERHAPS OUR COUNTY PARTNERS WOULD SEE THEIR WAY.
SINCE WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE HAVE THE STAFF, WE'RE DOING THIS WITH ALL TOWN TAXPAYER MONEY RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I THINK THAT YOU COULD HAVE THE APPROACH OF PARTNERSHIP IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, WE HAVE LISTING ON THE GOVERNMENTAL END TO COORDINATE THINGS AND HELP BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES HAVE THEIR PIECE OF THE BUDGET TOO THAT BENEFITS THEM.
AND SO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ON THE GOVERNMENTAL END, WE'VE GOT A SERVICE THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM, BUT THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T ALSO TRY TO EXPLORE HOW SMALL BUSINESSES MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARTNER AND CONTRIBUTE INTO IT SO THAT IT'S NOT ALL TAX MONEY, BUT 'CAUSE IT, IT, I MEAN, IT DOES BENEFIT THEIR BUSINESS AS WELL.
UM, AND I THINK, AND I THINK ANDY, UM, MIGHT THROW YOU MY WAY
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE, BUT HE MAY BE BE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT, I THINK THERE'S WAYS TO BE CREATIVE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO, UM, DROP A MILLION DOLLAR MARKETING BUDGET.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I DO THINK THOUGH THAT THAT, AND THAT I'M HOPEFUL WHEN WE TALK TO THE LIAISON, WE ALL KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE TOURISM WITH US AND, AND WARREN COUNTY.
WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WORKING TOGETHER AND NOT WORKING TOGETHER.
UM, ALTHOUGH I, I FEEL LIKE WE STILL ARE WORKING FOR THEM SOMEWHAT.
I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S BRINGING NO, I I, I HAVE NEVER DOUBTED IT.
UM, BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED BY CODE TO SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THEIR, UM, OF THEIR, WHICH, WHICH ONE IS IT? I'LL ALWAYS GET TO TT.
TOTI WAS GONNA SAY THE TOT, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE, THEY'RE TOTS.
THEY'RE REQUIRED, IT'S EITHER TWO OR 3%.
IT'S WHATEVER'S ABOVE THE STATE.
I, I FEEL LIKE I USED TO KNOW THIS RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
BEING OVER TWO, YOU HAVE TO USE FOR THEM.
AND THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT 3% OF WHAT THOUGH OTHER CHAIN TRANSIENT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT.
SO, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS ASKING ABOUT THAT.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE A POSITION, THEY DON'T HAVE A WEBSITE GOING.
AND I KNOW THAT THE COMMITTEE THAT, THAT I APPOINTED YOU TO, THAT'S THEM DOING THE WORK THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S COUNTY STAFF MEMBERS LIKE MS. MEADOWS WHO'S, YOU KNOW, ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A SMALL PIECE OF WHAT SHE'S DOING.
THAT'S NOT REALLY HER, THAT'S NOT REALLY UNDER HER UMBRELLA, I GUESS IT IS.
BUT I'M JUST THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST REALLY ON, AND THIS IS ME AS COW, AS COUNTY TAXPAYER.
LIKE I'M THINKING LIKE, WHERE IS THE 3% GOING, SITTING IN THE BACK SOMEWHERE.
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THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IN OCTOBER WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN BECAUSE, UM, LIKE I SAID, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, DIFFERENT DIFFERENT PEOPLE SITTING AT THE TABLE HERE AND THERE WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE WORKING TOGETHER AND THEN, AND THEN IT WASN'T THAT WE WEREN'T WORKING TOGETHER, IT WAS JUST THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA NECESSARILY TURN OVER THE VISITOR CENTER TO, TO THE, UM, TO THE ENTITY AND STUFF.BUT I DO FEEL LIKE IF MORE MONEY IS NECESSARY FOR THE MARKETING, THEN THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE DO TRY TO PULL OUR MONEY BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A PORTION THAT THEY HAVE TO SPEND ON TOURISM.
AND HONESTLY, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING ON IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PERSON.
AND THEY, AND, AND I KNOW THAT WITH THE GRANT, THEY GOT LIKE A $5,000 GRANT, RIGHT? DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T THE COUNTY, THAT WAS NOT TO THE COUNTY THAT WAS FOR UMA.
DOWN RIVER GOT ONE AND DOWN RIVER GOT ONE AS WELL.
THAT'S, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT DOWN RIVER, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE YOU HELPED THEM WITH THE ONE GRANT.
YOU KNOW, AND WE HAD A MEETING WITH MR. HARRIS ABOUT HIS APPLICATION.
YOU KNOW, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
WE'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH THEM.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE AS MELISSA, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY TO PUT INTO THE POT, BUT MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE DOES.
AND, AND IT, AND IT BENEFITS ALL SAY THAT.
THE COUNTY DOES NOT A LOT OF EXTRA MONEY, BUT THIS ISN'T, THIS IS, THEY'RE REQUIRED BY CODE OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHEN WE WERE HAVING THAT TOURISM DISCUSSION AND HAS, IT'S NOT A, IF THEY WANNA PUT THAT IN THEIR BUDGET, THEY HAVE, IT'S, THEY HAVE TO BY CODE, WHATEVER, 3% OF WHATEVER THEIR LODGING TEXT IS.
AND IT'D BE PRETTY EASY TO FIGURE OUT LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU COLLECTING LOING TYPES AND WHERE THE 3%, I JUST NEVER GOTTEN IN THE WEEDS.
BUT MAYBE WE'LL ASK THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS IN OCTOBER AND MAYBE THEY MIGHT SEE THAT IT MIGHT BE CHEAPER TO HELP US PUT MONEY TOWARDS THIS THAN THEM TO HAVE THEIR OWN DEPARTMENT, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, YOU KNOW, DIVIDE IT EITHER DIVIDE AND CONQUER OR YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT ALREADY UNDERSTANDS IT AND, AND HE'S ALREADY IN IT.
WELL, I'M SAYING WE HAVE THE PHYSICAL YES.
WERE ALREADY PROMOTING OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS EVERYTHING INSIDE WARREN COUNTY.
BUT WHAT WE'RE LACKING PERHAPS MONEY TO MARKET AND MAKE THE AREA MORE ATTRACTIVE TO MORE PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S WHERE, TO YOUR POINT, THAT MONEY IS SITTING WITH THE COUNTY, MAYBE THEY WOULD CHOOSE THAT THIS IS A WISE INVESTMENT TO PARTNER AND HELP MARKET THE COMMUNITY.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING RAISING TAXES FOR IT.
I'M ADVOCATING GETTING THEM TO PARTICIPATE.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY TOO, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT IN OUR VISITOR CENTER, WE HAVE THESE THINGS AND STUFF, BUT AS YOU WERE SAYING IT, IN MY HEAD, I WAS SAYING THE OTHER THING WE HAVE IN OUR VISITOR CENTER THAT'S THAT'S, THAT'S VERY, IT'S ALMOST PRICELESS IS THE STAFF.
LIKE WHEN YOU WALK IN THERE, 'CAUSE I'VE GONE IN THERE BEFORE AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE COMING IN FROM OTHER PLACES.
AND THE PEOPLE WE HAVE WORKING BEHIND THE COUNTER AND, AND IT'S YOUR STAFF AND YOU, UM, THEY'RE KNOWLEDGEABLE.
LIKE THEY START SAYING, NO, WELL, HAVE YOU TRIED THIS? HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT THIS DOESN'T DO NECESSARILY.
THIS BENEFITS IT, BUT IT ALSO HAVING PEOPLE IN THERE THAT ARE WARM AND FRIENDLY AND THEY'VE GOT ALL THIS KNOWLEDGE THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE IN TOO, THAT, YOU KNOW, SO, SO KUDOS TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, SO I THINK ABOUT, I, I VISITED A COMMUNITY ONE TIME FOR A WEDDING.
I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
AND I WENT IN, I WAS NOT IMPRESSED.
YOU KNOW, WE WENT TO THE HOTEL AND WE WENT TO THE WEDDING.
BUT UM, LATER WE WERE WATCHING TV AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE TOWN.
AND IT WAS LIKE ALL THESE COOL CULTURAL STUFF.
THE ONLY THING I SAW HIM WEIGH IN WAS WALMART.
YOU KNOW? AND SO IT'S LIKE YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE HOUSE TO DRAW THE, THE COMMUNITY.
DON'T JUST PRESUME THAT SOMEBODY COMING TO YOUR TOWN KNOWS THERE'S A TOWN AND KNOWS THERE'S OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CORRIDOR.
SO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE ACTUALLY DO GET FOLKS WHO ARE HAVING WEDDINGS WHO COME IN AND GET INFORMATION SO THEY CAN PUT IT IN THE HOTEL ROOMS OF THEIR GUESTS.
WE REGULARLY, WE ABSOLUTELY GET THAT.
ESPECIALLY FOLKS LIKE USING THE TRELLIS AND PLACES LIKE THAT.
I WAS GONNA SAY YOU HAVE SOME MATERIAL BELIEVE AT, UM, AT THE CONDO AS WELL.
WE WE HAVE MATERIALS ALL OVER THE PLACE, EVEN AT THE APPLE HOUSE.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE OUR SATELLITE VISITOR CENTER, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
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WHEN YOU'RE VISITING ONE, YOU HOPE TO ENCOURAGE 'EM TO VISIT AT OTHER PLACES OR STAY OR EAT OR, AND IF THEY DON'T GET THERE THIS TIME, THEY COME BACK.UM, I KNOW YOU HAVE CHEN NATIONAL PARK ON THERE.
AND IT'S THIS, IT IS THIS SATURDAY I MEETING, I'LL BE THERE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN UPDATE A VIDEO PROJECT.
IS THAT WHAT WHAT DO YOU WE'RE GONNA DO A COMMERCIAL.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ONE IN A IN A WHILE HERE.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE SELECTION PROCESS AND GOT OUR VENDOR.
AND SO NOW WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DO, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO SOMETHING AS EVERGREEN AS POSSIBLE, MEANING THAT WE CAN USE IT ALL SEASON.
UM, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SHORT ENOUGH VIDEO PRODUCT TO USE FOR A LOT OF, THERE ARE SOME OF THESE MARKETING OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, UM, VIRGINIA LIVING MAGAZINE, THEY WILL HAVE A PACKAGE WHERE YOU CAN ADVERTISE AND PRINT, BUT YOU CAN ALSO BE IN VIDEO ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA OR ON THEIR WEBSITE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN SIZE AND LENGTH REQUIREMENTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE BEARING THAT IN MIND AS WE DEVELOP THIS NEW VIDEO PRODUCT.
SO WHEN I HAVE A STORYBOARD, I'LL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE IT WITH YOU.
UM, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET, BUT WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE.
I JUST SAW SOMEWHERE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS SOCIAL MEDIA.
I ALMOST HAD TO BE, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T GET THE PAPER FIRST PARTY OUTTA TOWN.
BUT, UM, THAT THE BORN HERITAGE SOCIETY IS GONNA DO GHOST TOURS.
I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S THEM, BUT IT ALSO DRAWS TO WOMEN BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FOR YEARS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING ME ABOUT DOING LIKE, YES, WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT.
THIS KINDA LIKE THE JINGLE TOUR.
I LOVE THAT HAS DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS TOO.
AND WHAT'S GREAT IS THAT'S PEOPLE SAYING, HEY, WE THINK THIS WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
SO I'M ANXIOUS TO, TO GO ON THAT GHOST TOUR.
I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S AN INTERESTING THANK FOR THAT AS WELL.
SHE PARTICIPATES ON THE BOARD FOR WORN HAIR.
SHE, I SERVE AS THEIR GOVERNMENT SHARED RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE THAT'S WARREN HARRIS SOCIETY AS A TOURISM ATTRACTION OF THE LOCAL, UH, HISTORICAL SOCIETY FOR FOLKS HERE.
SO IT'S A NATURAL, NATURAL FIT.
BUT SHE'S DONE A LOT OF GOOD WORK.
THINGS LIKE, DOES YOU SEE HOW MANY MEETINGS I CAN GO TO IN ONE? ALRIGHT.
YOU'RE, SO I WANNA GO OVER ONE MORE THING REAL QUICK.
THIS IS BRAND NEW FROM THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
THIS IS VISITOR SPENDING FOR 2024.
THIS DATA CAME OUT THIS MORNING AND WARREN COUNTY IS UP 9.6% OVER LAST YEAR.
SO WE SET A HIGH WATERMARK FOR SURE.
YOU CAN SEE THE HISTORICAL FROM 2016 ALL THE WAY TO 2024.
NINE POINT, ALMOST 10% FROM 23 TO 24.
AND OF COURSE 36, ALMOST 37% OF THAT IS FOOD AND BEVERAGE.
'CAUSE I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, WE'LL FEED YOU HERE IN
THIS IS OF COURSE ALL OF WARREN COUNTY.
WE ARE A TOWN, SO WE'RE NOT BROKEN OUT SEPARATELY.
UM, BUT AS OUR COMMUNITY, THAT WAS, THAT'S OUR NUMBER.
THERE ARE COMMUNITIES IN, THERE ARE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE VALLEY WHO HAD NEGATIVE NUMBERS FOR 24.
I DON'T WANNA OVERSTATE IT, BUT THIS IS A HUGE WIN.
WE SHOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THIS.
SO ESPECIALLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE POP OR, UM, TALKING A LOT ABOUT, UM, TOURISM AND MONEY AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
I, I THINK SO THIS IS GREAT TO HEAR THAT WE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN 2020 OBVIOUSLY WE WERE NEGATIVE, BUT EVEN FROM THERE WAS A PANDEMIC GOING ON.
I'M SAYING, BUT EVEN FROM 2021 TILL NOW, THAT'S ALMOST $20 MILLION DIFFERENCE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF GREAT WORK THAT WAS DONE BEFORE I CAME INTO THIS ROLE AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THAT BALL ROLLING A LITTLE BIT.
SO, WELL I WANTED TO LEAVE THAT WITH YOU AND IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA SIT DOWN BECAUSE I'M WAY OVER MY TIME.
WELL, THIS IS THE STATEMENT PEOPLE FOUND US.
OF ADVERTISEMENTS ALONG THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS AROUND WASHINGTON OFF THE BELTWAY.
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I TELL PEOPLE I LIVE THERE.THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S PEOPLE THERE TOO, RIGHT.
I, I'M A NUMBERS CU, BUT EVEN TO LOOK AT LIKE HOW MUCH MORE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STATE FROM 2019 TO THEIR, THEY DIDN'T, I'M JUST SAYING THE STATE OF HAS MADE THE JUMP LIKE, LIKE WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
DO YOU WANNA TAKE ANY OF THESE AND SNAP PICTURES OF THEM? I'M GONNA EMAIL THEM TO THEM.
NEW BUSINESS, UM, THREE A CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO RESTORE CREEK BANK AT EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE.
AND THAT'S GOING BE MICHELLE, SORRY, THIS YOUR ONLY ONE TONIGHT, ANNA.
THIS ISN'T GONNA BE NEARLY AS PRETTY OR AS INTERESTING.
UH, SO ITEM THREE A IS TO PROCURE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO RESTORE THE CREEK BANK.
UM, JUST UP FROM THE H STREET BRIDGE, UH, REQUEST IS MADE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS TO PROCURE THE SERVICES.
UM, HAPPY CREEK WAS DAMAGED AS A RESULT OF THE HEAVY RAINS AND FLOODING BACK IN MAY.
THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT IS COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING USING A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD OF HENRICO COUNTY, VIRGINIA, AND MUELLER INCORPORATED AT FALLS CHURCH, VIRGINIA.
UM, DEPARTMENT RECEIVED PROPOSAL FROM MUELLER AND THE AMOUNT OF $150,263 AND 20 CENTS STAFF WOULD LIKE TO USE CONTINGENCY FUNDS THAT WERE SET ASIDE FOR THE A STREET BRIDGE TO FUND THIS PROJECT.
UM, FUNDS WERE SET ASIDE TOTALING, UH, JUST OVER 352,000.
THE REMAINING FUNDS, UH, WILL BE 202,000 IF COUNSEL WERE TO APPROVE THE USE OF THE FUNDS.
SO I JUST, SO THAT'S GONNA TAKE MONEY OUT OF WHAT'S ALREADY BUDGETED FOR THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE.
RIGHT? CONT CONT CONTINGENCY FUND.
SO WHAT IF WE DO NEED IT LATER? WE'LL SET TO FIND MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS DONE RIGHT IN ORDER FOR IT.
I I JUST WAS THINKING, OH, OKAY.
AND THAT'S KIND WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY SAW HOW BRUTAL IT WAS IN TOWN TOO, IF YOU WENT BY.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD QUESTION IT.
HOW FAR UP THE CREEK DOES THAT GO FROM THAT STREET? DO YOU KNOW? ISN'T IT JUST RIGHT.
IT'S LITERALLY ADJACENT TO IT BEHIND MAR MOTORS GENERAL AREA.
AND IF YOU, IF YOU CAN GET A CHANCE TO GO OVER THERE AND LOOK, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE WATER IS TRYING TO CARVE A PATH AROUND THE BRIDGE MM-HMM
AND WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS $2 MILLION BRIDGE IN HERE AND IF WE DON'T FIX THE BANK, IT'S LITERALLY GOING TO MAKE ITS WAY AROUND IT AND COMPROMISE.
SO, SO IT WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE? UH, YES, IT'S GOING.
THE SOUTH SIDE AND I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE EAST BANK OF THE CREEK.
THERE IS A HUGE CHUNK THAT THEY, THREE LAYERS LIKE THAT, JUST ABOUT VERY DEEP, VERY WIDE.
LOT OF MATERIALS GOTTA GO BACK IN THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANY DEBRIS FURTHER UP, UP THE STORY UP UPSTREAM, CORRECT? YES.
WE'RE JUST CONCENTRATING ON THAT IMMEDIATE AREA.
AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE JOB SITE, THE, THE BRIDGE SITE IS FENCED OFF.
BUT YOU COULD, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO IN THERE TO SEE.
WE GO ON CROSS BESIDE AND WALK UP THERE.
YOU CAN SEE IN THAT GRASS AREA RIGHT ACROSS THE, FROM CAR WALKER BEHIND MALL.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU GONNA PUT RIP WRAP BACK IN IT? YES.
AND WE USED THIS ENGINEERING FIRM BEFORE.
WHAT DID WE USE THEM ONE? WE USED THEM RECENTLY.
UM, THE RETENTION POD, THE LECTURE DEPARTMENT.
UHHUH, THE BUYER RETENTION POD.
I WAS KIND OF, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED.
AND, UM, IN THEIR NOTES AND CLARIFICATIONS WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, IF, IF THEY HAD A LINE ITEM THAT WAS NOT AN AVAILABLE OPTION, THEN ANOTHER SIMILAR ITEM MAY HAVE A QUANTITY IMPUTED.
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IF IF THEY DON'T HAVE SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.OR ARE THEY JUST SUBSTITUTING SOMETHING? THEY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY SUBSTITUTED IT.
LIKE THEY PUT SOMETHING IN THERE WITH THE SAME SIMILAR VALUE.
SO MAYBE WE WANTED, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SAY IT WAS A, A CHEVROLET TRUCK AND THEY HAD A FORD TRUCK.
SO THE EQUIVALENT, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUBSTITUTING.
SO, SO IT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO ELSEWHERE THOUGH.
ONCE WE GET DOWN IN THERE, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO DO.
SO LIKE WE HAVE INSURANCE THAT'LL PAY FOR THIS, RIGHT? YEAH, WE DO.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION THEN TO ADDING THIS TO OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING? I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT 'CAUSE IT'S MORE THAN 25,000.
SO WE WILL, UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH US PUTTING IT ON THE CONSENT? NO, I DON'T.
VICE MAYOR, ARE YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? I KEEP FORGETTING TO ASK.
I'M GONNA GO BACK AS SOON AS THE NEXT THREE.
SO, UH, THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT, UH, IS, UH, REQUESTING A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
UH, THEY PURCHASED A TRANSFORMER FOR A BUSINESS THERE, UH, ON, WHAT'S IT, SIXTH OR EIGHTH STREET.
AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING THE MONEY BACK INTO BUDGET TO US FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY BILLED THE CUSTOMER.
JUST WANNA BRING THE FUNDS IN.
UH, WE DID IS FROM TIME TO TIME WHEN WE HAVE BIG EXPENDITURES FOR THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT, THAT'S NOT REALLY UNUSUAL.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO WE'RE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY, WE'RE GETTING TOTALLY REIMBURSED BY THE CUSTOMER.
WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS IS THE CUSTOMER? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
UM, IT IS A, UH, CONTRACTOR METAL SHOP.
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WAS.
WHERE WAS THIS? UH, IT IS 18 EAST 16TH STREET.
WELL, THE MEMO SAYS SIXTH STREET.
THE, UH, THE, I MEAN, I CAN'T, A MEMO FROM CARRIE.
UM, I MEAN, THEY'RE PAYING FOR YEAH.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST A, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, CAN THAT GO ON CONSENT AGENDA? I'M RIGHT NOW.
ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY.
SO MOVING ON TO ITEM C, PURCHASE OF A REPLACEMENT REFUSE TRUCK.
THAT YES, EVERYBODY SAID CONSENT.
UH, SO WE'RE REQUESTING COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE AND REPLACEMENT OF THE REFUGE TRUCK.
AND THIS IS A 2012, UH, REFUGE TRUCK THAT WE HAVE.
UM, UH, THAT PROCUREMENT OF THIS COOPERATIVE CONTRACT AGAINST ALMOST SOURCEFUL CONTRACT, UH, FROM MYSELF TRUCK GROUP, UH, FOR THE AMOUNTS OF $266,241.
UM, COUNSEL HAD PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED US TO LOOK OR STAFF TO LOOK AT THE OPTION OF AN AUTO LOAD TRUCK, UH, WHICH WE DID OBTAIN A QUOTE, UH, QUOTE LIST FOR A EVEN ABOUT FOR 390,000.
SO WOULD BE ABOUT $123,000 MORE, UH, THAN THE CURRENT TRUCK.
UH, IF WE WANTED TO LOOK INTO AN AUTO LOAD SYSTEM, UH, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS.
UH, MSW CONSULTANTS DID PROVIDE US WITH A COST OF US A NUMBER OF $25,000 TO PERFORM UNDER ANALYSIS IF WE WANTED TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
UM, AND THEY WOULD USE THE INFORMATION THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY ACQUIRED FROM THE SOLID WASTE STUDY AND OBTAINED MORE INFORMATION FROM EVERYTHING, SOME OF THE TOWN'S COLLECTIONS, ROUTES, AND, UH, MODELING THE POTENTIAL CHANGE TO CONVERT TO AN AUTOMATED COLLECTION SYSTEM.
UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE STILL RECOMMENDING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REAR LOAD, UH, TRUCK FOR THE PURCHASE OF THAT.
AND IF WE WANT TO LOOK INTO AN AUTO LOAD, UH, TO BUDGET ACCORDINGLY, UH, IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE FOR THE STUDY, UH, LOOK FORWARD.
SO, SO WHAT'S THE AVERAGE LIFE OF A GARBAGE TRUCK? SO WHEN THE CONSULTANTS DID THE STUDY, THEY, UH, THEY CAME IN WITH AN AVERAGE LIFE OF FIVE YEARS.
UH, THEY, UH, OUR, UM, OUR MAIN FLEET MAINTENANCE, UH, WE, WE BUDGETED FOR FIXED FOR DEPRECIATION, UH, 10 YEARS.
UH, WE HAVE, OUR OLDEST TRUCK IS ACTUALLY A 2008 AT THIS POINT, I BELIEVE.
WHY WOULD WE REPLACE THE 12 AND NOT BE EIGHT? UH, THE 2008.
UH, ACTUALLY THE 2012 IS IN BETTER SHAPE THAN THE 2008.
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YOU MEAN APOLOGIZE, CORRECT ME.THANK 2008 IS IN BETTER CONDITION THAN THE 2012.
BUT YEAH, HAVE ERIC HERE TO HELP ME OUT.
IS THERE PARTICULAR REASON FOR THAT? WHY? WHY IS THAT TRUCK IS AGAIN, WITH DIFFERENT VEHICLES YOU HAVE DIFFERENT ENGINES.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY, WHEN YOU ORDER 'EM, YOU ORDER 'EM JUST TO TRUCK AND CHASSIS, THEN THEY PUT THE BODY ON IT, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU HAVE THE MOTOR OPTIONS AND WE'VE TRANSITIONED.
IS THAT AN INTERNATIONAL, THE YES, BOTH OF THEM ARE INTERNATIONAL.
SO EARLY ON EARLIER MODELS, WE'VE HAD INTERNATIONAL TRUCKS AND WE'VE EXPERIENCED A LOT OF ISSUES, MAINTENANCE ISSUES WITH IT.
IT JUST, SO WE'VE TRANSITIONED TO FREIGHT LINER FREIGHTLINER, FREIGHT LINER CABS WITH CUMIN ENG, CUMMINS ENGINES.
AND IT'S PROVEN SO FAR TO BE A BETTER COMBINATION FOR, SO WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION AND WE SEE THAT WITH THIS TRUCK, WITH THE DIFFERENCE IN AGE, UM, THE DIFFERENT MOTOR THAT'S IN.
AND HOW WELL THEY'RE HOLDING UP.
SO WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO SHIFT AND STANDARDIZED.
SO WHEN YOU'RE BUYING PARTS, YOU'RE BUYING FOR COMPANIES AND NOT NECESSARILY CAT OR WELL, THAT'S THE OTHER ISSUE.
WHEN YOU SWITCH FROM ONE MANUFACTURER TO ANOTHER, THEN YOUR PARTS COMPATIBILITY AND ALL THAT IS COMPROMISED.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE TOWARDS TALKING WITH DON.
WE'RE TRYING TO MORE, MOVE MORE TOWARDS FREIGHTLINER AND COMMONS COMBINATION.
IT SEEMS ON THE SMALLER TRUCKS ARE GOING ALL FORWARDS.
SO MR. WILSON, YOU HAVE ON HERE, YOU, YOU LOOKED AT, UH, YOU PRICED OUT A AUTO COLLECTOR TRUCK AND IT'S 123,000 MORE.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT RETURN ON INVESTMENT, I MEAN, DON'T WE PUT THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND MAKING THESE PURCHASES? UM, CERTAINLY CAN AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD, I WOULD GET MSW TO HELP US OUT WITH, WITH OUR ANALYSIS ON THAT.
WELL, AM I CORRECT NOW THAT ON TRUCKS, REFUGE TRUCKS, TYPICALLY THERE'S TWO LABORERS ON THE BACK.
TWO OUT OF THE FOUR THAT WE CONSISTENTLY RUN, ONLY TWO OF THEM HAVE, UH, TWO PEOPLE THAT, SO THAT MEANS, AND I'VE SEEN 'EM OUT AND THE DRIVER'S GETTING IN AND OUTTA THE CAB AND ASSISTING THEM THEM.
SO MY POINT, GOING BACK TO MY POINT IS, WITH THIS BEING A QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR PURCHASE FOR 123,000 ROUGHLY, UH, WE COULD GET ONE THAT'S HAS THE OPERATOR AND NOBODY ON THE BACK.
AND I THINK $50,000 THEREABOUTS FOR SALARY AND BENEFITS.
THAT WOULD MEAN IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS THE TRUCK IS PAID FOR ITSELF IN ELIMINATING LABOR.
THEREFORE YEAR RETURN AND INVESTMENTS ONLY TWO AND A HALF YEARS, WHICH AT LEAST INDUSTRIAL STANDARD, IT'S LESS THAN FIVE YEARS.
IF THE TRUCK IS USEFUL, IS IT GONNA BE USEFUL GOING ON IN ALL THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS WITH THE VEHICLES OF THE CONCERNS? WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I, I THINK, OR AT LEAST I KNOW I'VE HEARD, IS THAT NOT EVERY STREET WE, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT ERIC, NOT EVERY STREET WOULD, I MEAN I KNOW YOU CAN'T LIKE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, WONDER WHAT PERCENTAGE OF STREETS IN THE TOWN.
WELL, WOULDN'T JOE HAVE THAT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THIS STUDY WOULD HELP US DO.
I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER BE ABLE TO, AND ERIC CAN GET AWAY FROM AT LEAST A SINGLE TRUCK LIKE THIS.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ON STREET PARK, THIS STUDY WILL ALLOW US TO JUSTIFY SPENDING ANOTHER 123,000 PLUS TO ENSURE THAT THAT'S A WISE INVESTMENT FOR US.
AND ALSO STUDY THOSE STREETS AND THOSE ROUTES.
THEY HAVE DISTINGUISHED ROUTES SO THAT THEY HAVE TO RUN.
WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHERE PEOPLE CAN PARK WHERE THEY CAN'T.
I THINK WE NEED TO STUDY AND PRACTICE THIS.
WE ALSO INCLUDED A REPORT THAT'S, WELL, 10 YEARS OLD FROM LAKELAND, FLORIDA.
THEY DID A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON IT THEMSELVES FOR THEIR JURISDICTION TO TALK ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS.
IT WAS A PHASED IMPLEMENTATION IN ORDER TO GET THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
IT'S AN EDUCATION TO THE CITIZENS.
IT'S AN EDUCATION FOR OUR STAFF TRAINING AND AGAIN, FOR OUR FLEET MAINTENANCE.
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YOU CAN NOTICE IN THIS, IT'S A PETERBILT THAT WAS QUOTED, YOU KNOW, AND WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE FREIGHTLINER WITH THE CUMMINS.SO IT'S A DIFFERENT PRODUCT AS WELL.
SO WE FEEL THAT YES, IT'S 25,000 TO A STUDY, BUT IT WILL ENSURE OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND THAT WE'RE SPENDING THOSE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS ON AN AUTOMATED TRUCK IN TWO TO THREE YEARS FOR THE, THE RIGHT PROCESS.
'CAUSE WE'RE CURRENTLY SAVING FOR THE NEXT TRUCK AND THE NEED FOR THIS TRUCK IS NOW.
SO IT'S, YEAH, I I MAY WHAT'S THE SCHEDULE CURRENTLY WE'RE IN YEAR, THIS IS YEAR ONE OF THE NEXT TRUCK FOR THE NEXT TRUCK, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I MEAN, JOE MENTIONED A STUDY IN HERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT WORKERS' COMP CLAIMS MM-HMM
THAT'S ONE THING THAT YOU DO AWAY WITH BECAUSE NOBODY'S OUTSIDE OF THE TRUCK.
PEOPLE ARE RIDING ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF, SEE A PAGE OF PAGE 39, UH, IT TALKS ABOUT IN THEIR STUDY THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT IT CAN HAPPEN AND THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, AGAIN, I DIDN'T EVEN FACTOR THAT IN WHEN I SAID RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
I, I JUST KNOW THAT IT IS A THANKLESS JOB.
IT'S PROBABLY A HIGH TURNOVER JOB WHEN IT'S 23 DEGREES AND SLEETING OUTSIDE OR SOME OF THESE ALMOST A HUNDRED DEGREE DAYS WE HAVE.
UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY ON THE BACK OF THAT TRUCK DOING THE LABOR, THE INTENSE LABOR THAT THEY'RE DOING, UH, THROUGHOUT THE SHIPS.
I THINK THAT THE TOWN WOULD CUT ITS TURNOVER AND I THINK REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF WORK OR COMP INJURIES.
WELL, IF YOU TAKE THE MAN OFF TRUCK, YOU ELIMINATED.
AND THAT'S FAR MORE WORTH THAN, THAN SIMPLY THE $50,000 A YEAR WE SAVE IN, IN WAGES AND BENEFITS.
SO I, I MEAN I, I CAN SUPPORT THIS ONLY IF WE GO AHEAD AND DO THE STUDY FOR THE OTHER TRUCK, FOR THE AUTOMATED TRUCK AND FIND OUT, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE BURNING DAYLIGHT HERE IN UTILIZING TECHNOLOGY TO REPLACE MANUAL LABOR THAT WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY HIRE OR WE PULL PEOPLE OUT OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
SO WE PULL 'EM OUT OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
SOMETIMES EVEN AN ELECTRICAL DEPARTMENT RIDES A TRASH TRUCK.
'CAUSE WE HAVE NOBODY SHOW UP AT THAT.
I CERTAINLY CAN SEE A HYBRID SITUATION HERE ON TYPICALLY, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, THE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE EVERYTHING IS UNDERGROUND AND YES.
UH, AND THAT, AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE WAVE.
SO, UM, IT'S ONLY GONNA GET TO BE MORE.
SO I, I CERTAINLY WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN WOOD THAT UM, A STUDY WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
UM, AND, UH, LET'S, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, THINGS AREN'T GOING TO GET ANY CHEAPER, OKAY? MM-HMM
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUDGET FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UH, WE NEED, NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT IT NOW.
RIGHT? A GUY NAMED GEORGE ALLEN SAID THAT YEARS AGO
SO, UM, ANYWAY, UH, THAT'S MY, DO WE, DO WE, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT ALLOTTED IN THE BUDGET THE, THE $25,000 FOR AN ANALYSIS AT THIS TIME, RIGHT? WE CAN TAKE FUNDS FROM THE NEXT, UH, REFUGE TRUCK THAT WE'RE PURCHASING TO ALLOCATE TO THE STUDY.
ONE THAT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SET MONEY ASIDE FOR FUTURE OR FUTURE PURCHASE.
WHEN DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT? NOT THIS ONE, BUT WHEN DO WE ONE ANTICIPATE THE NEXT ONE'S GONNA BE DUE? UM, WELL THE, UH, THE NEXT ONE IS PRETTY WELL DUE, BUT THE, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS FOR IT 'CAUSE THE PRICE IS GONE.
SO, UM, I WAS HOPING WE WAS GONNA SELL A TUB GRINDER AND GET SOME MONEY AND BE ABLE TO BUY ONE.
SO WE, WE SELL OUR ACCESS EQUIPMENT ON THE, UH, AUCTION SITE.
WHAT CAN WE EXPECT TO GET FOR THIS TRUCK? UH, THE LAST ONE WE GOT 12,000 FOR I THINK.
WELL, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, ERIC, I, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT I THINK IT WAS, IT WASN'T A BIG AMOUNT, BUT IT, I MEAN WE, WE PUT IT BACK, WE DID A BUDGET AMENDMENT, WE BROUGHT IT BACK IN AND WE
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PUT THE FUNDS ASIDE FOR THIS.'CAUSE I THOUGHT IN A PREVIOUS BUDGET DISCUSSION OR SOMETHING, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT NOW USING THIS NEW AUCTION SERVICE THAT WE WERE SURPRISING OURSELVES AND GETTING MORE MONEY FOR THE USED EQUIPMENT THAN JUST ON THE LOCAL AUCTION.
AND WE WERE, UM, AND WE HAVE A TUB GRINDER THAT WE PUT OUT ON THE BID ON THE SITE HERE THREE TIMES NOW.
AND, UH, WE WAS EXPECTING TO AT LEAST GET $40,000 IN THE LAST BID WE GOT WAS 17.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE'RE, UH, SO MAYBE I, NOBODY ELSE HAS MONEY EITHER, SO IT'S, IT'S LIKE, IT IS LIKE THE, IT IT, IT'S TURNED A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT.
WE, UH, THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME WE DID GET A GOOD BID.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY IT'LL TURN BACK AROUND FOR US AND IF IT DOES, WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT AND WHEN WE SELL THIS ONE WE CAN PUT THOSE MONIES BACK AS WELL.
UM, BUT UM, BUT YEAH, IF WE'D LIKE TO THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE SET ASIDE FOR THE NEXT PURCHASE, WE CAN USE SOME OF HIS FUNDS FOR THE STUDY.
WELL, I PROBABLY WON'T BE AROUND WHEN YOU BUY THE NEXT ONE, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO OF COURSE.
WELL HE SAYS IT'S NOT ON THE COUNCIL, BUT GLENN, HE SAID IT'S DUE NOW.
I HOPE TO LIVE LONGER THAN THE TRUCK EXPECT.
BUT UM, YEAH, WHETHER I'M ON COUNCIL OR NOT, IT'S JUST BEEN, I, I GUESS THE THING WITH ME SINCE I DECIDED TO RUN AND LIVING HERE AND LIVING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU SEE HOW THEY DO THINGS.
AND I KNOW OTHER COMMUNITIES, UM, LIKE OKE, UM, LIKE WINCHESTER, A FEW OTHER COMMUNITIES USE THESE TRUCKS.
YOU CAN'T USE 'EM AT ALL STREETS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU CAN REPLACE MANUAL LABOR WITH AUTOMATION, IT'S A WIN-WIN.
SO FOR THIS CONVERSATION, WE CAN TALK ABOUT MOVING IT ON, BUT FOR, DO WE ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT NOW OR ABOUT, ABOUT ALLOCATING THIS 25,000 FOR THE ANALYSIS? HOW TAKE DUE STUDY? UM, I DIDN'T GET A TIMEFRAME, BUT IF I HAD TO GUESS, I WOULD GUESS THREE TO SIX MONTHS IS WHAT I WOULD GUESS.
AND WHEN WOULD YOU HAVE ANY MONEY COLLECTED FOR THE NEXT TROUBLE? WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE THE BUDGET IN THE CURRENT BUDGET.
WE STARTED FOR THE NEXT TRIAL.
BUT WHEN IS OKAY, WHEN IS THE DATE OF COMPLETION OR IS THE MONEY ALREADY SITTING THERE? THE MONEY'S ALREADY SITTING THERE.
WELL, OKAY, TO YOUR POINT, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND DO THE STUDY BEFORE WE LAUNCH ON THE NEXT TRIAL.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SUGGESTING? YEAH, I'M SAYING IT.
LET'S GET THIS ONE FOR THE NEXT TRUCK.
WELL KEEP IN MIND FOLKS, HE'S TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PURCHASING YOUR TRUCK.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A STUDY RIG HERE, WHICH I'M STILL LOOKING FOR NUMBERS 1 21 $5,000 COVER RECEIPT.
AND IT'S JUST, I JUST GOT A QUOTE FROM THEM BEFORE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? SO, WELL THE FUTURE COULD BE NEXT YEAR IS WHAT HE'S SAYING.
THE MONEY IS THERE, BUT, BUT THE MONEY IS THERE FOR NOW.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRUCK'S GOING.
WELL, A PORTION OF THE MONEY'S THERE.
YEAH, WHAT I'M SAYING, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE MONEY FOR ALL THE TRUCKS IN THE FUTURE SETTING AN ACCOUNT RIGHT NOW.
YOU, WE'VE GOT MONEY SET ASIDE A PORTION OF THE MONEY.
WE'VE GOT ALL THE MONEY FOR THIS TRUCK.
WE ONLY HAVE A PORTION FOR THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THE NEXT TRUCK FALL IN LINE.
THAT'S WHAT I THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION.
YOU SAID THAT ONE'S ALREADY DUE, BUT WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR YET BECAUSE THE PRICE POINT UP.
SO THEREFORE THERE'S A FACTOR THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN'T CONTROL SO WE CAN KEEP SET OF MONEY ASIDE, WHICH I THINK WE'VE BEEN DOING SOMEWHAT DECENTLY WITH.
'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN PAYING STUFF FOR CASH.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AHEAD OF THE GAME WITH A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES ON THAT FROM WHAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH LAST YEAR AT THE VML CONFERENCE.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRUCK'S GONNA COST NEXT YEAR OR WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRUCKS ARE GONNA COST YEAR AFTER NEXT.
SO I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS A MOVING TARGET.
SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S, I'M JUST SAYING I'M ALL FOR PULLING STUDY, BUT LET'S, UH, LET'S MAKE SURE WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CONSIDER THAT AS A FACTOR AS WELL.
AND, AND NOT GO INTO IT SAYING, OH, WE'VE GOT MONEY TO BUY THREE TRUCKS.
WELL, NO WE DON'T, WE GOT MONEY TO BUY ONE TRUCK.
WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO BUY TWO TRUCKS.
WE GOT MONEY TO BUY ONE TRUCK.
SO WE HAVE TIME TO DO THE STUDY.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT, SO WHAT I THINK IS ON THE TABLE IS THIS COUNCIL CAN TAKE ACTION AT THE NEXT MEETING TO PURCHASE THIS ONE, WHICH IS 390,000.
I WAS LOOKING AT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE AUTOMATED.
AND, AND AT THAT SAME TIME, AT THAT SAME TIME, CAN WE DISCUSS ABOUT ALLOCATING THE 25,000 OR DOES THAT HAVE TO COME BACK TO A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS AGAIN? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T WANNA KEEP WAITING AROUND THE STUDY TO WE CAN, WE CAN DO IT INTERNALLY IF COUNSEL GIVES US DIRECTION NOW WE CAN DO ALL THAT INTERNALLY.
UH, WE CAN HANDLE THE, UM, UH, UH, AWARDING THE, UH, THE STUDY AND
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TRANSFERRING THE FUNDS OVER SINCE ILLNESS STUDY WAS JUST WITH US LAST YEAR AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB.WE'LL START AROUND TIME TO GET THE TRUCK IN.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THAT'S WHAT, SEVEN MONTHS? I THINK IT'S, I MEAN, WE'RE WAITING ON THE DUMP TRUCKS.
STILL BETTER THAN THE WAS DURING COVID THOUGH.
WHAT IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TRUCKS IN FLEET FOR REV YEARS? CURRENTLY WE HAVE FIVE.
AND SO IS, SO I HEARD YOU MENTION THAT YOU PUT, YOU PUT FOUR OUT REGULARLY.
DOES THAT MEAN WHAT IS AVAILABLE LIKE AT ALL TIMES FOR A SUBSTITUTE OR? WE DO HAVE ONE AS A BACKUP, UM, WITH THE WAY THAT THE TRASH HAS INCREASED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.
THAT FIFTH TRUCK, I'D NORMALLY TRY TO PUT OUT ONE DAY A WEEK, WHICH IS MONDAYS.
UM, JUST BECAUSE THE MONDAYS RUNS ARE SO HEAVY.
UM, THAT ALL DEPENDS ON MY STAFFING ALSO.
AND, AND THE HOUSEHOLD 7,000, 7,500, IS THAT WHAT I'VE SEEN COUNTY HOUSEHOLDS? ARE YOU SERVICING? UH, I DON'T KNOW EXACT NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS.
I KNOW THAT WE ARE AROUND 5,500 TENS.
THAT'S, THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.
I THINK WE'RE AROUND 6,000 SOMETHING THERE.
BECAUSE I GOT ALL CAUGHT UP IN THAT, IN THAT STUDY WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE HOW MANY HOUSES THEY COULD DO IN A, IN AN HOUR.
WITH THE AUTOMATED, YOU DON'T USE THE TO PICK UP WITH THE TRAILER ANYMORE FOR RECYCLING? WE DO NOT.
WE USE, UH, SINGLE STREAM RECYCLE, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR TRASH TRUCKS.
SO WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS ITEM, OWEN.
DO YOU WANT EVERYONE TO CONSENT OR NOT? WAIT, SORRY.
BUT COUNSEL WISHES TO DIRECT STAFF TO PURSUE THE, UH, STUDY.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S BELOW THE PROCUREMENT THRESHOLD.
I WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST A CONSENSUS.
BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN STAFF'S AUTHORITY.
WAYNE, YOU'RE GOOD WITH 25,000 FOR THE STUDY.
I DON'T THINK AMBER'S ON, SHE LOST INTERNET.
UM, SO THAT, WE JUST TOOK CARE OF TWO BIRDS TO ONE STONE.
THE ONLY THING WAS DO WE WANT THAT ON CONSENT OR NOT? I'M OKAY.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS, DO WE WANT THIS ITEM? THE 266,000 FOR TRASH TRUCK TO GO CONSENT? IT'S A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS.
I'D RATHER HAVE IT ON A REGULAR, UH, EVENING.
I, I KNOW I WILL SAY THAT OUR CONSISTENCY OVER TIME HAS BEEN LARGER PURCHASES.
WE HAVE NOT HAD THEM ON CONSENT, BUT, SO, SO, UM, I AGREE.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
IT'S STILL ONE, I DON'T SEE IT.
TAKING TIME, BUT IT IS A LOT OF MONEY.
SO NEXT UP IS BJ AS WELL ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET CALENDAR.
SO, I KNOW I'VE GOT A COVER SHEET HERE WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION IN IT.
UH, TO SUMMARIZE, UH, BASICALLY RUNNING, UH, AGAINST A, A LITTLE BIT OF A SCHEDULING ISSUE, SCHEDULING CONFLICT, IF YOU WANT TO SAY.
SO, OUR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE, UH, FOR TAX, UH, IF WE WERE TO HAVE AN INCREASE, UH, CANNOT BE DURING THE SAME MEETING AS THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WHEN I SAY TAX INCREASE, UM, WE HAD A, THE ISSUE WITH THE, UH, TAX ASSESSMENTS, UH, LAST YEAR.
SO PROBABLY GONNA WANT TO ADDRESS THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE, UH, UH, TAX, UH, TAXES CANNOT BE DONE DURING THE SAME TIME AS THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE, WHICH IS THE BUDGET.
UH, YOU CANNOT APPROVE THE BUDGET UNTIL SEVEN DAYS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE APPROPRIATION OFFICE.
SO RIGHT THERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT MINIMUM OF THREE MEETINGS.
UM, AND WITH THAT, UH, SO WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, FIT THREE TO FOUR MEETINGS INTO TWO MEETINGS.
SO WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS THE OPTION D THERE AND THE PACKET, UH, WHERE WE WOULD HOLD A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE ON BUDGET MAY 11TH, AND ALLOW COUNSEL TO APPROVE IT THERE AT THE REGULAR, UH, MEETING IN MAY.
UH, WHICH MEAN WE WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE GOVERNMENT
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CENTER.WE'VE ALREADY TOUCHED BASE WITH THEM TO SEE IF THE GOVERNMENT CENTER IS AVAILABLE, FOREIGN COUNTY, SEE IF THE GOVERNMENT CENTER IS AVAILABLE.
OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE NOT THE ONLY OPTIONS.
I JUST THREW THESE OPTIONS OUT THERE, UH, TO CALL US IDEAS AROUND THE COUNCIL AND SEE WHAT THE THOUGHTS ARE.
UH, SO STAFF WILL KNOW HOW TO PROCEED WITH.
BUT, UM, CAN YOU A RECOMMENDATION? I, I FEEL COMFORTABLE FOLLOWING WHAT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ABLE TO DO.
THE, UM, SO WE'RE ADDING LIKE AN EXTRA TWO OR THREE MEETINGS, RIGHT? OH, ADD, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THERE'D BE TWO IN APRIL, BUT ONE OF THOSE IS A WORK SESSION.
ACTUALLY THERE'S ONE MEETING WITH OPTION D.
UM, YOU SAID DD AS IN DAVID? OPTION D.
THAT'S ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, IT'S AN EXTRA MEETING THOUGH, RIGHT? CORRECT.
IT'S JUST A PUBLIC HEARING, A WORK SESSION MEETING.
I MEAN, HOWEVER YOU WANT LOOK AT IT.
THE WORK SESSION WOULD TURN INTO A PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT WELL, THAT'S 'CAUSE IT HAS THE ADVERTISEMENTS.
AND THEN THE WORK SESSION ON THE 13TH AND THEN THE MEETING ON APRIL.
MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE GONNA GET ALL THE NUMBERS THAT WE NEED ONE TIME? BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.
AND THIS IS BASED ON THE BEST OF INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
SO ALL OF THEM, IF I'VE READ THROUGH HERE CORRECTLY, ALL OF 'EM HAVE US GOING TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT ANY TAX RATE ON THE 27TH.
I'M TRYING TO SET THE TAX RATE IN APRIL BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE UH, S OFFICE WOULD PROVIDE US WITH THE BOOKS IN MAY.
BUT THIS YEAR WE KNOW WE SET THE TAX RATE IN MARCH AND SURPRISE FROM MAY WE'RE $400,000 SHORT.
WELL, NO, WE CAN'T CONTROL IT.
BUT IF, YOU KNOW, WE WANT SHAME ON YOU.
THIS IS THE BEST INFORMATION HAVE AVAILABLE.
WE ARE TRYING TO GO TO LIAISON MEETING TO DISCUSS THAT, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, CAN WE MOVE THAT MEETING IF NEEDED? I CAN ALWAYS CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AT ANY TIME.
RIGHT? I MEAN, BUT YOU CAN CALL A SPECIAL MEETING.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS OR ISSUE.
YEAH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF FOR SOME REASON WE NEEDED TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE AFTER MAY 26TH, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO HAVE IT.
I MEAN, BUT IT'S A MOVING TARGET.
WE'D HAVE TO ADJUST, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
AS, AS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COMES AVAILABLE.
UM, BUT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, I DO FEEL THAT THESE ARE BEST OPTION, BUT AS YOU MENTIONED, IT COULD CERTAINLY CHANGE.
AND I DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA GET INTO WHAT THE COUNTY DOES APPROVING THINGS TWO DAYS BEFORE THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINS ON JULY ONE, ESPECIALLY IN THE NEXT YEAR.
THE SOFTWARE IMPLEMENTATION DON'T, YES.
SO I'M, I'M JUST SAYING IF NEED BE, WE COULD CALL IT A SPECIAL MEETING IN JO JUNE, EARLY JUNE.
WE COULD TURN OUR WORK, WE COULD HAVE A WORK SESSION AND THEN HAVE A REGULAR MEETING.
LIKE I KNOW THERE'S WAYS FOR US TO DO THAT.
I KNOW IT'S NOT, BUT YOU WON'T BE REVERSING THE TAX RATE AT THAT JUNE MEETING.
I MEAN, I'M SAYING APPROVING IT.
OH, I'M SAYING IF EVERYTHING GETS BUMPED BACK, BECAUSE THIS YEAR YOU DIDN'T EVEN GET THE BOOKS UNTIL YEAH.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN NOW THERE IT ISN'T A REASSESSMENT YEAR.
SO THAT COULD BE TO, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD HELP.
I MEAN, WE WILL HAVE BETTER INFORMATION ALSO THIS YEAR.
BUT, AND THEN, AND AS BJ MENTIONS ABOUT THE TAX RATE, JUST A REMINDER TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC, THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED THIS YEAR GETTING THE BOOK SITE AND WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED TAX RATES, WE ACTUALLY
UM, SO, AND WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF $400,000 IN OUR BUDGETS.
SO AS A RESULT OF GETTING LATE FIGURES FROM THE COUNCIL, RIGHT.
I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE THREE 50 SOMETHING SOMETHING.
WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH IS, IS THAT, SO BASICALLY LAST YEAR THEY GOT A TAX DECREASE TO EVEN BRING IT BACK UP TO WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN WHAT I WOULD CALL FLAT LEVEL BUN BUDGET FUNDING FOR LAST YEAR.
IT'LL LOOK LIKE IT'S A TAX INCREASE WHEN REALLY IT WAS WHAT WAS INTENDED FOR THIS PAST YEAR.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ASSESSMENTS THAT WE, WE ACTUALLY YEAH.
THAT'S SO CONFUSING, I'M SURE TO SOME PEOPLE.
BUT I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT.
SO EITHER WAY, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE TRY TO FLAT LEVEL BUDGET YEAH.
FUND IT AGAIN THIS YEAR, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THERE WAS A TAX INCREASE WHEN REALLY IT WAS, WAS LAST, BUT IT WAS A DECREASE.
I, THIS ISN'T REALLY AN APPROVAL.
THIS IS JUST FOR BJ TO GET INPUT.
HAVE DIRECTION AND AS MORE INFORMATION COMES AVAILABLE,
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OBVIOUSLY IT'LL COME BACK TO COUNSEL AND WE WILL, IN OCTOBER, IF WE HAVE A LIAISON MEETING, WE'RE GONNA BRING IT UP AGAIN AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT UP AND IF NEED BE, MAYBE IN JANUARY WE BRING THE HEAD THE PEOPLE TOGETHER.WE WILL ASK IN OCTOBER JUST TO MAKE SURE.
'CAUSE WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL NEXT APRIL TO BE DISCUSSING IT.
OR YOU CAN COME
FOUR IS UNFINISHED ITEMS. AND THIS WAS THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE AUXILIARY DWELLING UNITS.
SO, AND YOU GUYS GOT A REVISED MOTION AND AS MR. SONNET TOLD US LAST WEEK, IF WE DECIDE THAT WE WANNA SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE A FORMAL MOTION AND TAKE ACTION ON IT.
SO DO YOU COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM FURTHER AND DETERMINE WHETHER IT SHOULD GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR FURTHER REVIEW.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME AND WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO SEND IT BACK TO PLANNING OR NOT.
MR. PETTY AND MS. CAPISH KAKI, UH, DID MAKE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL, UM, TO ALREADY START THAT PROCESS.
SO AT THIS POINT, YEAH, COUNSEL CAN JUST ACCEPT THOSE CHANGES OR KICK IT BACK.
THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KICK IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A VOTE SOONER THAN LATER SO THEY CAN MAKE SURE THAT PLANNING COMMISSION IS ALSO ACCEPTABLE OF THOSE CHANGES.
AND I'M SORRY, THE VICE MAYOR'S NOT DONE.
WHAT DID LOSE CONNECTION? 'CAUSE I KNOW SHE HAD, UM, LOTS OF INPUT ON THIS TOPIC TOO.
I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, THAT I DON'T THINK CAME UP LAST TIME.
AND OF COURSE I WAS ZOOMING, I MAY HAVE NOT HAVE HEARD EVERYTHING OVER, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CONVERSATION.
IF WE ALLOW AN AUXILIARY BUILDING, I'M GONNA KIND OF ASK YOU TO, WILL THIS REQUIRE SEPARATE WATER AND SEWER HOOKUP? CAN, IT COULD, COULD IF IT'S DETACHED ESPECIALLY, BUT PLEASE SPEAK UP.
SO IF IT'S DETACHED, IT, IT COULD, I UNDERSTAND DETACHED AND I THINK OF, OKAY, HERE'S MY HOUSE AND OVER THERE'S THE COTTAGE.
OTHERWISE IT WOULDN'T, AND LAUREN, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CREATING A NEW DWELLING LOT, IT'S NOT A OR A NEW LOT.
IT'S, UH, IT'S AN ACCESS OR AUXILIARY DWELLING UNIT BECAUSE THERE'S A SPECIFIC DEFINITION FOR MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS THAT MIGHT REQUIRE SEPARATE UTILITY.
THE REASON WHY I ASKED THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL READ IN THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA DAILY THAT A WOMAN IN STRS WAS TRYING TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
AND BOY OH BOY, DID SHE GET SHIPPED? UH, STICKER SHOCK.
I DID READ WHEN SHE FOUND OUT.
THEY HAD, IT WAS THOUSANDS, SO OH, 2020 4,000 BJ OUT BALLOT.
UM, BUT WE, UH, FRONT WHEEL IS DIFFERENT.
WE ALLOW SUBMETERING REMOTE METERING.
SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE THE ABILITY, IF THEY'D LIKE TO, THEY CAN TAP OFF OF THAT MAIN METER AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND HAVE A SUBMETER GOING TO IT.
UM, THEN THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE JUST FOR THE METERING.
AND THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY BILL THE SEPARATE DWELLING UNIT AND THE SEPARATE WATER.
SO THEY HAVE THAT, THEY HAVE THAT OPTION.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE BRAND NEW AND I'VE GOTTA PAY THE, UM, CAP FEE.
THEY DON'T NEED TO PAY THE SYSTEM.
IT'S THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FEE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU'D HAVE TO PAY SOMETHING TO TAP INTO THE YEAH.
I MEAN THERE, THERE WOULD BE THE COST TO TAP, BUT I'M SAYING NOT LIKE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
NOTHING'S THERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMETHING'S THERE ON THE, ON THE SAME PROPERTY.
IT HAS TO BE ON THE SAME PROPERTY.
WELL, WAIT A SECOND HERE, LET'S STEP THE BACK HERE A SECOND.
YOU SAY THERE HAS TO BE A SEPARATE TAP.
I MEAN A SEPARATE TAP IS A SEPARATE CONNECTION.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE ON THE TAP, THAT WOULD BE ON THE METER BEHIND THE TAP, RIGHT.
SO I'M SAYING IT WAS, HE'S, I THINK THE DISCUSSION WITH BJ WAS STEPPING AWAY WAS THE UNDERSTANDING.
WELL, I I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE FOLKS HERE.
AND WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS, HE WAS SAYING IS THAT THAT'S REFERRING TO NOT A SEPARATE TAP, BUT A SEPARATE METER, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN A SEPARATE TAP.
A SEPARATE TAP IS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
THAT'S A WHOLE NEW CONNECTION.
THE PROPERTY THAT TAPS INSTALLATION, THEY JUST WIRE OFF OF THE
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RIGHT.SO HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS WIRE OFF AT THE METER BEHIND THE METERS, RIGHT.
INTO A SEPARATE METER TO THE SUB IF THEY, IF THEY WISH TO DO THAT AND BUILD THE OCCUPANT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON THAT.
'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYBODY WENT OUT IN THE CONVERSATION WAS THINKING, OH, THAT'S A SEPARATE TAP.
HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT SEPARATE TAP.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.
USUALLY THE LANDLORD WILL KEEP THE WATER SERVICES IN THEIR NAME, UM, AND THEN THE, THE TENANTS WILL, YOU WILL PAY THEM.
UM, OR OTHER TIMES THEY'LL HAVE THAT MAIN METER AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TWO SUBMETERS COMING OFF OF IT IF THERE'S TWO SEPARATE DWELLING UNITS MM-HMM
SO THAT WE'RE BILLING EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY.
THAT'S A COURTESY AND JUST WHATEVER THAT BE IS PUT IN ON THE METER ON I LIKE IT.
THE, I THINK IT'S NEW LANGUAGE.
I DON'T RECALL IT LAST TIME, UH, WHERE IT SAID I HIGHLIGHTED THE NEW LANGUAGE.
I LIKE, I LIKE THE WAY THAT THAT WAS WORDED, NOT THE INTERNAL AVIATION NOT EXTEND BEYOND THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
SO THAT SIMPLIFIED IT AND THEN IT REMOVED ALL OF THOSE LIKE, REQUIREMENTS BENEATH IT.
UM, I THINK THAT THAT'LL HELP STAFF AS WELL.
AND THAT WAY IF YOU WANNA CONVERT AN ENTIRE BASEMENT OR ANOTHER PORTION OF YOUR HOUSE, WE'RE NOT LIMITING THAT.
AND IF YOU WANNA DO AN ADDITION, YOU GO THROUGHOUT THE PERMIT PROCESS CORRECT.
AND THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THE SETBACK LIKE ANY OTHER ADDITION WOULD.
SO IT'S, BUT I THINK IT MAKES IT EASIER AN ADDITION.
I KNOW THE ONE THING THAT KEPT COMING UP BEFORE TOO, THAT PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS THE PROPERTY MUST BE OWNER OCCUPIED.
SO THE AUXILIARY UNIT, LIKE LET'S JUST SAY IF IT'S A GARAGE APARTMENT, RIGHT, THE OWNER LIVES IN THE MAIN HOUSE.
RIGHT? SO, SO IF THE OWNER DIDN'T LIVE IN THE MAIN HOUSE, IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD NOT BE AN AUXILIARY DWELLING UNIT.
IT WOULD BE LITERALLY TWO DWELLING.
IT WOULD, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THAT IT'S AN AUXILIARY DWELLING UNIT.
WE JUST WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T ALLOW IT.
LIKE IF WE, IF WE HAVE THAT PROVISION IN THERE THAT IT HAS TO BE AN OWNER OCCUPIED PRIMARY USE AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU MOVE AWAY AND THEN YOU HAVE A TENANT AND THEN, UM, THEY RENT IT OUT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THAT'S, IT CREATES PROBLEMS FOR US.
SO, SO YOU COULDN'T HAVE A TENANT IN THE, IN THE MAIN HOUSE AND IN THE, ON THE GARAGE LIKE THE SECOND FLOOR.
IF WE SAY IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED, WE MAKE THAT REQUIREMENT THAT IT HAS TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED.
THAT MEANS THE PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO BE ON SITE IN ONE OF THE TWO DWELLINGS.
IN ONE OF THE TWO OR THERE, OR THERE'S PROBABLY A LEAVE AWAY TO, IF YOU'RE GONNA LIKE, LEAVE IT TO ONE OF YOUR KIDS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY A LEGAL WAY TO TRANSFER OWNERSHIP.
IT'S ONE, IT'S ONE LEGAL DESCRIPTION.
IT'S NOT TWO SEPARATE ONE LOT ONE PARCEL.
WELL, IT, IT IS THE ORDINANCE IS TO HAVE TWO.
IT'S STILL ON ONE LOT ONE OWNERSHIP.
NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR OWNER OCCUPIED THE GARAGE, IF YOU SOLD IT, THEY STILL HAVE AN APARTMENT ABOVE THE GARAGE.
BUT THAT OWNER, I SAYING THERE'S NO WAY TO CONVEY ONE SEPARATELY.
IT'S ONE LOT ONE LEGAL DESCRIPTION.
THE DEFINITION OF AN A DU SAYS IT HAS TO HAVE A KITCHEN, BATHROOM, SLEEPING AREA AND SEPARATE ENTRANCE.
SO A LOT OF QUOTE UNQUOTE BEDROOMS ABOVE GARAGES DON'T HAVE KITCHENS.
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE SEPARATE SLEEPING QUARTERS.
IT, IT'S USUALLY ONE BIG ROOM.
CAN SOMEBODY STAY IN THAT? YEAH.
AND STILL SHARE MAYBE TO GO DOWN AND USE THE BATHROOM OR SOMETHING TO SHOWER AND SOME THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN AN ADDITION TO YOUR HOUSE.
YOU BUT YOU STILL USING ALL THE OTHER FUNCTIONS BECAUSE, BUT BY DEFINITION THOUGH, THAT'S NOT AN
AND YOU NEVER, NEVER SAY NEVER.
BUT, BUT LIKE WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, ABSOLUTELY.
I HAVE FRIENDS THAT LIVED IN APARTMENTS ABOVE GARAGES THAT HAD EVERYTHING.
WELL, MANY PEOPLE HAVE CONVERTED GARAGES TO LIVING SPACE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO, BUT, BUT THE HYPOTHETICAL THAT COUNCILMAN D DOMENICO PAYING CAVE JUST IS, LET'S JUST SAY YOU, YOUR HOUSE.
YOU BILL LEFT YOUR HOUSE AND YOUR SON STAYED IN THE MAIN HOUSE AND YOU AND AND BETTY STAYED IN THE APARTMENT OVER THE GARAGE.
UNLESS YOUR SON OWNED ONE OF THOSE, THEN THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
RIGHT? WHOEVER IS ON THE DEED, WHOEVER OWNED THE RIGHT PROPERTY, RIGHT, IT COULD BE THERE.
YEAH, IT COULD BE AND EITHER ONE OF THE DWELLINGS.
AND YOU CAN SELL IT AND THAT'LL TRANSFER.
BUT THE OWNER THAT IS ON THAT DEED, THAT'S, WE CHECK THAT THEY HAVE TO BE THE PERSON ON THE APPLICATION APPLYING FOR, THAT'S WHEN THEY BUILD IT.
SO BASICALLY YOU CAN'T RENT TWO THINGS.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS THERE'S NOT, THIS IS GONNA PREVENT ANYBODY FROM HAVING A HOME AND AN APARTMENT SOMEWHERE ON THE SAME PROPERTY
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AND RENTING BOTH OF THEM.THEY CAN ONLY DO IT IF THEY'RE LIVING IN ONE OF THE PLACES.
PURPOSE OF THIS REALLY ISN'T TO INCREASE RENTAL SPACE.
IT IS TO HELP FAMILIES THAT RIGHT.
AND HELP WITH AGING IN PLACE AND ALL THESE THINGS LIKE MAKE THIS A LIFELONG COMMUNITY, WHICH IS IN OUR CONFERENCE PLAN.
AND THE ADU HELP ACCOMPLISH THIS.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME RULES, SOME PARAMETERS FOR PEOPLE TO FOLLOW AND FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THOSE.
THAT'S WHY THAT WAS PUT IN THERE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED.
HOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENFORCE THAT, THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER AFTER IT'S BUILT, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS LIVING? WE WOULD PROBABLY DO IT AS LIKE A, THE SAME WAY WE HANDLE ALL THE OTHER ONES.
SO IF WE GET A COMPLAINT THAT, HEY, THIS PERSON, MY NEIGHBOR MOVED AWAY, BUT NOW THEY'VE GOT THAT, THEY STILL OWN IT.
I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN CHECK THE THAT POINT.
I MEAN IT'S D THAN WHEN WE GET A COMPLAINT THAT THERE'S 17 PEOPLE LIVING IN A HOUSE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN FOUR UNRELATED PEOPLE IN THERE.
SO IT LIKE, IT ALL BE COMPLAINT BASED AND, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU MIGHT GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW RIGHT.
STILL ON THE DEAN? YOU CAN, I'M STILL ON DEAN STILL, YOU KNOW, AND IF THAT'S STILL YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, LIKE WITH ZONING, I MEAN, EVERY TIME THEY COME INTO OUR APARTMENT, IT'S THAT A SNAPSHOT AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME, WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THAT PROPERTY IS COMPLIANT.
SO THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS ARE, DO YOU ALL HAVE ENOUGH OF YOUR CONCERNS AND THINGS ANSWERED THAT WE DON'T NEED TO, THAT THERE IS NO NEED TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? OR DO YOU STILL WANT IT TO GO BACK TO PLAN COMMISSION? OR DO YOU, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR FLAVOR? I'M GONNA STAND BY WHAT I SAID LAST.
UH, I, I I, I THINK IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF R ONE.
UH, UM, YOU KNOW, I, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO, WANTED TO GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
I WANTED THEM TO REEVALUATE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S ADDING DENSITY AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS WE HAVE AN R ONE.
UM, I THINK I ASKED THAT QUESTION AND NO ONE HAS THE ANSWER.
SO, UM, IF EVERYONE DECIDED, DECIDED TO ADD AN A DU ONTO THEIR R ONE, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DENSITY IN MY OPINION.
AND THAT MEANS MORE CARS ON THE ROAD.
THAT MEANS, UM, YOU KNOW, PARKING SITUATIONS.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M THE DEFINITION OF, OF R ONE IS LOW DENSITY.
SO YOU'RE ADDING DENSITY TO R ONE.
I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T SO MUCH HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT IN R ONE A BECAUSE YOU'RE SUBDIVIDING.
I DON'T HAVE SO MUCH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT IN R TWO OR R THREE.
UM, BUT R ONE IS DEFINED AS LOW DENSITY, THE OTHERS ARE NOT.
BUT REALISTICALLY, SO THAT, SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SEND IT BACK, UH, FOR IT TO BE REEVALUATED.
BUT COUNSEL WILL DO THE CONSENSUS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
SO, UM, AND WITH THAT SAID, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I HAVE NO, I WAS JUST, WHEN I, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SONY, I MEAN, BUT PROBABLY ADUS WOULD BE MORE LIKELY.
ANY R ONES, LIKE HAS THAT BE RESIDENTIAL HOME VERSUS TOWN HOMES,
THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO AN A DU? NO, I CAN, I CAN SEE ONE, RIGHT? I REMEMBER ONE ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING, THIS IS A NEW WAVE THAT HAS COME BACK.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE CLOTHING THAT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE.
RIGHT? AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON IN THE SEVENTIES ARE COMING BACK WHERE, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, I THINK IT'S COMING FROM A PLACE TO WHERE PEOPLE
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CAN'T AFFORD.I THINK IT'S MORE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
WELL, AND FAMILIES AND PEOPLE, WELL, YOU KNOW, CAN'T AFFORD NURSING HOMES AND CAN'T AFFORD THIS.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE THE BEST SPACE THEY CAN DO.
AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S USED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
RIGHT? BUT YOU DON'T, THERE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE $64 MILLION QUESTION, RIGHT? IS, IS EVERYONE GOING TO BE GOOD AND USE IT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THEIR AGING PARENTS? I, I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO RENT THE SPACE OUT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ADDING DENSITY IN MY OPINION.
THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S A NICE TAGLINE THAT I WANT TO HELP OUT MY AGING PARENT.
I CAN HELP MY AGING PARENT BY LETTING THEM MOVE INTO MY HOUSE.
OR MY YOUNG YOUNG ADULT OR MY YOUNG ADULT START HOME, THEY CAN'T GET A JOB RIGHT NOW.
OR THEY CAN GET A JOB AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD A 500,000
I'M JUST SAYING I'LL END UP, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
I, I, I WILL, I UNDERSTAND THE THEORY OF IT.
I JUST DON'T, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA WORK OUT THE WAY THAT, UH, WE THINK IT'S GOING TO PLAY OUT FOR AGING PARENTS.
WELL, I DON'T EVEN MIND IF SOMEBODY RENT IT TO, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE A STARTING OUT COUPLE OR, YOU KNOW, OR TEACHER TEACHERS THAT HAVE RAN INTO MARTIN.
I MEAN THE, FOR A WHILE, THE DSS DIRECTOR DID A COTTAGE, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE MOVED HERE, YOU KNOW, AND SO LIKE, SO DID THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS.
SO RENT LITTLE SPACE BEHIND SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOUSE BECAUSE YOU'RE, I WONDER PEOPLE ARE DEALING WHAT THEY DO TO AFFORD WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.
WELL, WELL IF THE, IF THE GOAL IS TO CRA AS MANY PEOPLE AND THE FRONT ROYAL, IF THAT'S THE GOAL, THEN, THEN WE WILL ACHIEVE THE GOAL.
WE'RE ALREADY AT WHAT, 16,000 IN A WHAT? A NINE SQUARE MILE? UH, 10.
10 SQUARE ALL ONE MILE? NO, NO, NO.
MAYBE THE ONE MILE IS, UH, IS THAT ARM I, I WASN'T ARGUING.
I WAS JUST SAYING, I JUST KNOW IT'S 10 SQUARE MILES.
SO THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS, I'M SORRY, CAN I ASK, UH, MS.
ARE THERE SURROUNDING AREAS, UH, JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE THESE NOW HAVE SOME PERMISSIONS FOR, MOST OF THEM HAVE PERMISSIONS FOR IT.
LIKE I FA CARE COUNTY HAS 'EM.
MOST OF THE JURISDICTIONS HAVE THEM.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A NEW CONCEPT.
WELL, THE SAFE DID PERMIT SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO PERMIT.
BUT WE'VE, AND WE PERMIT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, OR SORRY, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND ACCESSORY USES.
UM, IT GOT TRICKY WITH THE, UH, WITH THE KITCHENS.
RIGHT? SO WHAT WE'RE ALSO SEEING IS THAT PEOPLE WERE CONVERTING SPACES WITHOUT PULLING PERMITS.
AND SO, UM, CONVERSION OF OR DOING IT TO THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT PUTTING THE KITCHEN IN AND THEN EVERYTHING'S DONE AND THEN THE KITCHEN GETS INSTALLED LATER.
I JUST WANNA SAY THOUGH, IF THEY DO THINGS LIKE THAT, OR AT LEAST THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT, THEY INCLUDED A KITCHEN AND THEN SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THAT THE INSURANCE DOESN'T COVER IT.
OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I WAS THAT'S WHAT I WAS ALWAYS TOLD.
THAT THAT'S INSURANCE COVERAGE.
YOU'LL WHOEVER IS ON POLICY, RIGHT? BUT HOMES WILL BE FOR SALE AND THEN PEOPLE WILL CALL IN WITH QUESTIONS.
AND WHEN WE PULL THE LISTING TO LOOK AT IT, IT, THAT WAS PREVENTATIVE.
MY HOUSE CHANGED TREMENDOUSLY.
THERE'S NO BEDROOMS. THEY DO THAT AND THEN THEY PUT A CLOSET AND NOW IT'S A BEDROOM.
IT DOESN'T, YEAH, IT DOESN'T HAVE A WINDOW.
BUT I'M SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT KID OURSELVES AS THING HAPPEN.
YOU ALL OVER GLEN, THAT'S, IF YOU WANT TO SEE ONE, THERE'S ONE UP ON SHERWOOD AVENUE.
WHERE IT, THAT'S SHERWIN AVENUE.
SHE, THAT, THAT WAS WHEN YOU GO UP CHERRY STREET.
UH, YOU MAKE A LEFT AND THERE'S THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT.
AND THAT, THAT WAS A, AN A DU THAT WAS DONE BACK IN AROUND 1975.
SO BACK TO THE TASK AT HAND, GUYS AND GIRLS.
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DO WE, IS COUNCIL READY TO PUT THIS ON A MEETING, UH, TO TAKE ACTION? OR DOES COUNCIL WISH TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? AND IN THAT CASE, THE MOTION WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE TONIGHT? NOT HAS TO BE, BUT COULD BE.SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION BEFORE US.
ARE WE READY TO MOVE IT ON TO TAKE ACTION? I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE GONNA PROVE IT.
I'M JUST SAYING, ARE YOU READY TO MOVE ON TO TAKE ACTION OR DO YOU WANT TO, UH, OR DO YOU WANT PLANNING COMMISSION TO GO BACK AND MAKE ADDITIONAL CHANGES OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT MS. CAPISH HAS ALREADY MADE? I'M, I'M, BRUCE DOES.
I ALREADY KNOW WHERE, I KNOW WHERE YOU STAND.
TRYING TO GET THE CONSENSUS, THE REST OF THE CROWD.
I'M OKAY WITH WHAT LAURA HAS, HAS DONE AS FAR AS THE CHANGES.
I MEAN, TO ME, THESE WERE JUST CLERICAL CHANGES, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE HAD MENTIONED LAST WEEK THAT SHE COULD COVER.
UH, BUT I WAS UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT SUBSTANCE CHANGES AURORA IN HERE.
UH, FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE COMMISSION TAKE A LOOK AT IT JUST FOR THAT REASON.
EVEN THOUGH I, OF WHAT THINGS THAT GOT CHANGED.
EVEN THOUGH I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT MM-HMM
UH, BUT JUST FOR, FOR THE SAKE OF THEM HAVING ANOTHER LOOK AT IT WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I, I'M HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, IF THEY SEE THIS RIGHT HERE, LAURA, THEY'LL SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, I'M, DO THEY HAVE, DO THEY HAVE THIS ALREADY OR HAS THIS BEEN SENT OR JUST WAIT UNTIL AFTER WE NO, I WAS GONNA WAIT UNTIL YOU OKAY, GUYS.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS FIGURING.
BUT IF WE SEND THIS TO THEM AS IT IS FOR THEM TO LOOK AT, SEE IF WE, THEY, WE LEFT THAT ANY, I MEAN, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING THAT'S IN IT.
I GUESS I, I I THINK IT'S, IT, I THINK IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT IT WAS.
WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE TO SEND IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSIONER OR SEND IT ON FOR ACTION? I THINK WE'LL SEND IT BACK AND LET THEM SEE WHAT SHE DID.
I, I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT JOB.
I MEAN, SHE DID WHAT WE ASKED.
SO SHE, SHE'S JUST DOING WHAT WE ASKED, BUT, UH, I CAN CORRECT.
SO WE, SO SOMEBODY'S GOTTA MAKE A MOTION.
AND MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL, REFER THE ITEM BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE POTENTIAL CHANGES IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2.
WELL, WELL, HERE'S THE REVISED MOTION.
I MOVED THAT TOWN COUNCIL FURTHER ON BACK TO, OKAY.
THERE'S PROBABLY NO NEED FOR DISCUSSION UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO AND ROLL CALL.
I THINK WE, WE DISCUSSED ENOUGH.
COUNCIL, VICE MAYOR VIALS ABSENT.
COUNCILMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES.
SO THE MOTION PASSES TO, SO IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, FOR THEM, IT SOUNDS LIKE MR.
AND MAYBE IF THEY PICK UP ANYTHING WE YEAH, MAYBE THEY'LL SECOND, UH, EIGHT.
REQUEST FOR WATER AND SEWER IN THE ROUTE 5 22 CORRIDOR FOR INDUSTRIAL USE FROM STAFFER ONE INVESTMENTS, LLC, UH, 22 PROFIT LC AT WINCHESTER ROAD AND WINTERS COURT.
AND MR. PETTY IS, UM, MR. PETTY IS, UH, IN CHARGE OF THIS ITEM TONIGHT.
SO IN APPLICANTS HERE TOO, AS NEEDED.
UH, THE COUNSEL HEARD THIS IN MAY.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN WORK SESSION.
APPLICANTS WERE HERE FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN AT THE REGULAR MEETING ON MAY 27TH, THE ITEM WAS ON THE AGENDA.
THERE WAS A MOTION, UM, THAT IS LISTED IN YOUR PACKET.
IT DID NOT RECEIVE AN, UH, A SECOND, SO THEREFORE WAS NOT CONSIDERED AT THE MEETING.
I HAD SPOKEN WITH COUNSEL AFTER TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING POSSIBLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WAS AT WITH THE, UM, APPLICATION BEFORE THEM FOR THE OUT OF TOWN UTILITY.
AND ONE OF THE BIG ITEMS THAT CAME UP WAS OUR EXCESS CAPACITY, UM, AVAILABLE CAPACITY, CHA SAID, UM, REGARDING OUR VOLUME OF WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER, CHA CAME IN JULY, PROVIDED YOU A PRESENTATION, IF YOU RECALL.
AND COMING OUT OF THAT MEETING, WE THEN SAID, WELL, THERE'S A FEW THINGS MISSING.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, UM, WELL, ONE OF 'EM WAS MARSHALL GLENN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE OTHER WERE SOME RES OR SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED
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IN THE COUNTY COURT.UM, SO WE WENT BACK TO CHA WITH THOSE ITEMS. THEY ARE IN THIS.
WE HAD AN UPDATE LAST WEEK WHEN THEY GAVE IT TO US.
THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS THAT WE MADE.
THIS I LITERALLY JUST GOT THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, ROBBIE MENTIONED ONE NUMBER IN HERE.
IT SHOULDN'T AFFECT THIS NUMBER, BUT IT WAS A DISCUSSION AROUND DESIGN CAPACITY AND ACTUAL CAPACITY.
UM, DESIGNS MORE AND DESIGNS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WERE PERMITTED ANYWAY.
SO IT SHOULDN'T IMPACT THESE NUMBERS AS YOU SEE HERE BEFORE YOU.
BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS ANY PLANNED OR APPROVED.
UM, PLUS OUR AVAILABLE CAPACITY CURRENTLY, OR RAW WATER INTAKE AND PUMP STATION IS AT 0.21 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY OF AVAILABLE CAPACITY CURRENTLY.
AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDING, UH, SWAN FARM AT TED, UH, FROM ROLL LIMITED PARTNERSHIP FOR ANA PROPERTIES, THE NEW SQUIRREL HILL, UH, ROYAL LANE APARTMENTS, MARSHALL GLEN.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE LIST IN THERE.
THIS INCLUDES THE OTHER OUT OF TOWN UTILITY APPLICATIONS THAT WERE APPROVED, UM, AT THE END OF 2024.
IT ALSO INCLUDES, YOU'LL SEE IN HERE CROOKED RUN ASSEMBLAGE, WHICH IS THE STAFFORD ONE.
THERE ARE TWO CROOKED RUN ASSEMBLAGES ON HERE.
ONE IS THE REZONING FOR THAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR, WHICH IS THE 220,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION.
THAT 0.001 IS THE POTENTIAL FOR A FUELING STATION ON THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL SITE THAT'S ALREADY ON THERE.
SO, UM, THEIR NUMBER THAT THE 4,500 GALLONS PER DAY THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED IS THAT 0.004.
THAT WOULD BE IN THE WATER PRESSURE ZONE, ROUTE 5 22 CORRIDOR OR AN INCIDENT CROOKED RUN PUMPING STATION.
SO THESE ARE THE MOST RECENT NUMBERS.
IT DOES ILLUSTRATE THAT THERE IS AVAILABLE CAPACITY.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU CAN SEE ON THIS LIST, YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE LIST OF ITEMS THAT THEY'RE NOT CALCULATED IN HERE.
BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT COMP PLAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT EXISTING ZONING.
WE TARGETED ALL THE BIG ITEMS. ANDREW, I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY TO THROW OUT AS MANY THINGS AS WE COULD.
THE ONLY THAT'S NOT ON HERE IS INFILL LOTS.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S NOT ASIDE FROM PEP TA AND FRONT ROW LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, MOST OF 'EM REALLY AREN'T, YOU KNOW, GENERATING OR CONSUMING AS MUCH AS THE LARGE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THIS IS THE UPDATED NUMBERS.
THE OTHER THING I'LL JUST STATE IS THE TOWN CODE.
SO THEY ARE APPLYING FOR REZONING.
THEY WILL BE GOING TO THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION ON WEDNESDAY THIS WEEK WITH, THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT REZONING APPLICATION TOWN CODE FOR EX, UH, EXTENSION BEYOND TOWN LIMITS.
IT STATES THAT, UM, THESE OUT OF TOWN UTILITY REQUESTS ARE JOINT BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER, APPLICANT AND THE COUNTY.
AND THOSE MUST, THOSE SUCH REQUESTS MUST BE MADE PRIOR TO A REZONING OR ANY OTHER ACTION BY THE COUNTY.
SO IT'S SAYING THAT THEY MUST COME BEFORE US, BEFORE A REZONING.
TRADITIONALLY IN REZONINGS THEY ARE CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE BECAUSE THEY ARE TYPICALLY CONTINGENT ON PURCHASING.
SO THEY'RE SPECULATIVE, REALLY DON'T KNOW EVERY DETAIL OF THE DESIGN.
A LOT OF TIMES WE WILL GET THESE DURING SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE KNOW A GOOD POTENTIAL END USER.
WE KNOW A LOT MORE OF THE DETAILS, BUT THOSE ARE ON PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN REZONED.
SO REGARDLESS OF THE DECISION HERE, TALKING WITH GEORGE AND STAFF, WE MAY COME BACK TO LOOK AT THAT AND REVISE THE CODE TO CHANGE IT TO SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN REZONING.
BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT WHEN WE GET THESE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS, THAT IT LEAVES A LOT OF OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE FOLLOWING THE CODE.
UM, I LOOKED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PACKET STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION CALLS FOR WAREHOUSE 220,000 FOOT FOOT WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION.
UM, THEY DO STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF APPROVED AND IT IS REZONED TO INDUSTRIAL, THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO ANYTHING WITHIN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT FOR THE COUNTY REGULATIONS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT, THAT'S NOT OUR JURISDICTION.
THEY HAD A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS STUDIED
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BY VDOT AND APPROVED BY VDOT WITH THE CONVENTION THAT THEY HAD TO DO A RIGHT LANE, RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE PROPERTY.UM, THAT ANALYSIS WAS BASED OFF OF THE FUELING STATION AND A WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION ACCOMMODATING CARS FOR EMPLOYEES AND TRUCK TRAFFIC.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THEY DID A PROPER STATEMENT, UH, THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED, THAT LISTED OUT SOME USES.
UM, IT WAS LIKE A CONCRETE PLANT, UH, COMMERCIAL KENNEL, YOU KNOW, THE SEED OR THINGS THAT THEY PROPER OUT IN THE COUNTY.
UM, IT DID MENTION THE WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION.
IT DID MENTION THE 220,000 SQUARE FOOT.
IT WOULD ALLOW THEM, AGAIN, IF IT'S REZONED INDUSTRIAL TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.
THAT'S IN THE WARREN COUNTY CODE FOR INDUSTRIAL, THE CU, THEY ARE GETTING A CUP FOR THE 220,000 SQUARE FOOT.
THEY ARE IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
UM, GEORGE DRAFTED THE MOTION LAST TIME THAT STATED, UM, THAT IF APPROVED, UM, IT WOULD NOT EXCEED 4,500 GALLONS PER DAY AND THAT IT WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE CORRIDOR AND BE USED FOR WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION.
AND IN ADDITION TO ANY NECESSARY EASEMENTS, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO AN EXCESS CAPACITY UTILITY AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN THAT WE WOULD SPECIFY THE 45 NOT TO EXCEED 4,500.
IF IT'S A, UM, THEIR REZONINGS APPROVED, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PHASE.
ROBBIE'S TEAM AT PUBLIC WORKS DOES REVIEW SITE PLANS.
WE REVIEW THOSE IN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH THE COUNTY.
AT THAT POINT, IT'S, OUR STAFF IDENTIFIES THE SITE PLAN AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THE TWO INCH WATER METER AS APPROVED OR IT DOESN'T HAVE THE 10 INCH FIRE SUPPRESSION.
AND IT DOES SEEM THAT IT'S A USE THAT WOULD EXCEED, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO APPROVE IT 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET WHAT COUNCIL HAS APPROVED FOR THAT OUT OF TOWN UTILITY.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE, UM, TO PROTECT THE INTEREST.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS OPENED MIND OF THINGS, HOW WHEN WE GET THESE OUT OF TOWN UTILITY REQUESTS, UM, WE'RE BUILDING IT THIS, WE'RE TURNING THIS INTO A TOOL WITH OUR ENGINEERS THAT WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS US, WHEN THE COUNTY CAN ASK US, WE HAVE SOMEBODY INTERESTED IN THIS PROPERTY OR THERE'S A TOWN PROPERTY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PLUG THIS IN OURSELVES.
WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ENGINEER.
WE'RE WORKING ON THAT NOW TO UTILIZE THIS AS A TOOL.
WE CAN PLUG NUMBERS IN AND OUT.
WE CAN BETTER HELP THESE APPLICANTS TO GIVE THEM A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO.
UM, SO WE'VE PROVIDED THESE NUMBERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT ABOUT THE PROCESS ITSELF AT THIS STAGE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST REALLY, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED SOME MORE TIME TO DIGEST THESE NUMBERS AND TALK TO US, UM, BE HAPPY TO CONNECT YOU WITH THE APPLICANTS, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO TO SEEK ABOUT MAKING A DECISION OR PUTTING THIS BACK ON ANOTHER AGENDA.
BUT WE'VE GOTTEN THESE UPDATED NUMBERS, WE'VE DONE THIS THERE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE COUNTY.
WE WANTED TO AT LEAST GET THIS BACK IN FRONT OF COUNSEL TO SEE IF YOU HAD ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
IF WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER ANY OF THAT, UM, TO THEIR BENEFIT TOO AS THEY MOVE FORWARD TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SURE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ONE WAY OR ANOTHER HOW COUNCIL STAY STANDS ON IT.
MR. PETTY, THE FIRST THING THEY NEED TO DO IS TAKE THEIR APPLICATION BACK AND PUT THE RIGHT LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, THE RIGHT ADDRESS FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING PROPERTY ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN ON THE ADDRESS ON THE NORTH END OF THE COUNTY.
THE PROPERTY HAVE LISTED HERE IS IN TOWN.
SO THE APPLICATION IN, UH, IN THE OUT OF TOWN UTILITY APPLICATION, IT STATES THAT THE MAILING ADDRESS IS A WOODBRIDGE ADDRESS FOR STAFFORD ONE INVESTMENTS.
THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IN LOT IS LISTED AT 9 86 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.
WE DO KNOW THAT'S NOT ADDRESS, PHYSICAL ADDRESS.
WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE PHYSICAL ADDRESS.
UM, INCLUDED IN THE LAST PACKETS, I APOLOGIZE NOT IN HERE.
WE, WE INCLUDED THE CHA, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A SITE PLAN, CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS FOR THE ACTUAL PROPERTY.
SO WE CAN OBVIOUSLY HAVE THAT BEFORE THEY WOULD EVER COME BACK, HAVE THAT UPDATED WITH THE PROPERTY AND TAX MAP NUMBER, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE COVER SHEET.
SO WE COULD DEFINITELY HAVE THAT UPDATED.
IT DOESN'T, UM, REVOLVE AROUND THEM.
WE KNOW THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S A RIVERTON PUMP STATION.
ONE OF 'EM OUT THERE HAS, UH, OLD PUMPS AND WE HAVE A PLAN TO
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REPLACE 'EM.DOES THIS AFFECT THAT AT ALL? IN OTHER WORDS, THEY MOVE AHEAD WITH THAT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT OUR TIMETABLE IS.
I THOUGHT THEY ALREADY GOT, ISN'T THAT THE PROJECT, THE FOUR PUMPS ALONG WITH CLEARWELL AND SOMETHING ELSE, WOULDN'T IT? CORRECT.
THE UM, UH, WE'RE WAITING ON THE, UM, UH, LOAN APPLICATION, BOND APPLICATION.
I TO SEE IF WE'RE APPROVED FOR THE, UH, SO THAT, WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY IT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS? UM, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IS GONNA
SO I THOUGHT YOU'D ALREADY WORKED ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE AGE OF THE PUMPS AND THE REQUIREMENT WILL CAUSE US ANY CONCERN.
AND, AND THAT'S A, A GREAT QUESTION IN GENERAL ABOUT THIS TOOL THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE TALK ABOUT UPGRADES.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE ENGINEERS MM-HMM
IS THAT THAT HELPS US IDENTIFY THE UPGRADES THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WHEN WE USE THIS TOOL AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT SECTORS AND WE PLUG THESE NUMBERS IN, THAT WHEN WE DO THE UPGRADES, WE'RE ALSO MAKING THE UPGRADES FOR FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT RIGHT OURSELVES RIGHT UP FRONT.
SO, UM, I THINK IT WAS NOW I THINK ABOUT A CROOKED RUN PUMP STATION, I BELIEVE.
NOT NECESSARILY WHERE YEAH, THERE'S SOMEWHERE DOWN IN THE BOTTOM THAT ARE IN THAT BIG HOLE WHERE ACTUALLY PASSED THE SERVICES.
BUT EVEN WITH THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE, IF I'M READING IT, UH, LOTS WASTE
SO COUNSEL, WHERE, WHAT'S YOUR, UM, GOT LOTS OF NEW INFORMATION OR GO AHEAD.
I MEAN, UH, THIS, THIS IS WHAT I RECALL AND I DIDN'T SEE IT.
MAYBE IT WAS JUST A SPECULATIVE, UH, COMMENT, BUT MY RECOLLECTION WAS WHEN THEY WERE HERE BEFORE, UH, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, 24 7 OPERATION WITH, UH, 50 PEOPLE ON EACH SHIFT.
UM, IF I, IS THAT STILL IN PLAY? I THINK IF I RECALL, YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
THERE AGAIN, IT'S SPECULATIVE RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD PLAN FOR.
WE LOOKED AT OTHER EXISTING BUILDINGS AND WHAT THEIR USAGE WAS TO SEE IF THIS WAS AN ADEQUATE USAGE.
UM, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, AGAIN, WITH SPECULATIVE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, AS THEY START PUTTING THE WALLS UP, THEY MAY BEGIN TO START GETTING TENANTS THAT ARE INTERESTED THAT MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, WORK LEVELS THERE.
ALMOST LIKE A SHELLING BUILDING.
SO I MEAN, IT'S ALL, BUT I THINK THE, I DO FEEL FROM A PLAINTIFF PERSPECTIVE, LOOKING AT OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, UM, THE 4,500 FALLS IN LINE WITH OTHER, YOU KNOW, CORRIDOR FACILITIES THAT HAVE RECENTLY BEEN APPROVED SUCH AS RUSH MARK AND EQUI DEVELOPMENT AND MR. SONIC IN, IN REDOING THE, UH, I GUESS MOTION TO APPROVE OR WHEREVER IT WOULD HAVE A PROVISION IN THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE MORE THAN 4,500 GALLONS A DAY.
THERE'LL BE A SEPARATE AGREEMENT.
BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE, MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT.
HAVE WE ACTUALLY APPROVED THAT SINCE THIS AMOUNT BEFORE? I DON'T, I DON'T REQUIRE, I DON'T EVEN IF, EXCUSE ME, I DON'T RECALL APPROVING ANYTHING THAT SAID 4,500.
I, NO, WE, THERE WAS A MOTION I WAS PULLING UP ON THE SECOND, LIKE SIX 50 OR SOMETHING, LIKE WHATEVER IT WAS, OR I DON'T, NOTHING.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR THE, FOR THE GALLONS PER DAY USAGE.
I DON'T RECALL DRAWING ANYTHING.
I, PLEASE, LET ME FINISH GUYS.
I'M SAYING WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T RECALL APPROVING ANY OTHER APPLICATION PRIOR TO THIS ONE WITH A USAGE OF 4,500 GALLONS.
I HAVE THE NUMBERS HERE, AT LEAST I DON'T RECALL.
SO E WAS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER OF 24, WAS 4,200 GALLONS PER DAY.
UH, TORAY PLASTICS, WHICH IS ANOTHER PROJECT UP, THERE'S 1800.
EQUI, WHEN IT WAS APPROVED IN 2019, WHICH IS THE 330,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING NEXT TO THE JAIL.
THAT WAS, UH, OH, NOW IT WAS EITHER 42 OR 4,500 WHEN THAT, AND THAT ONE WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.
THEY CAME TO COUNCIL AND THAT WAS PRIOR TO ALL OF US.
UM, I WAS AT THE COUNTY AT THAT TIME.
THEY BROUGHT THAT TO THEM WHILE THEY WERE DOING A, UM, THE REZONING FOR THAT PROPERTY, UM, IN WHICH THEY DISCOVERED IT WAS LIKE A SEWER LINE.
SO EWIS BROUGHT THAT FORWARD TO THE
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TOWN SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH HIS REZONING APPLICATION.AND THEY BUILT THE, THE BUILDING YOU SEE TODAY OUT THERE.
IT WAS BEFORE THE SAME COURT REPORT.
MY, MY RECOLLECTION OF WHAT WE, WHAT WHAT OTHER COUNCILS HAVE DONE PRIOR, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW OFF MY HEAD, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT, WE HAVE NOT PUT THIS STIPULATION IN WRITING AND COUNSEL IS RECOMMENDING WE DO.
AND IS THE APPLICANT AGREEABLE TO THAT? WELL, SORRY, BUT THAT, THAT'S JUST A REQUIREMENT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A UTILITY AGREEMENT WHETHER YOU'RE IN TOWN OR OKAY.
IN THE CASE OF, IT'S MY CONCERN WITH THIS, IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD NUMBERS OF EMPLOYEES THAT WERE GIVEN TO US AS AN ESTIMATE.
WE KNEW WE WEREN'T GONNA BE ACCURATE, BUT WE HAD A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT TO EXPECT BECAUSE IT WAS A RETURN INVESTMENT, IF YOU WILL.
IT'S LIKE OUR, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SEE FROM THE BENEFIT OF HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WE HAVE.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S SIGNIFICANT, BUT FROM A, FROM AN ELECTED OFFICIAL STANDPOINT, I MEAN, IT HELPS TO KNOW LIKE HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA BE HERE.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S AN NESTER OR RUMMAGE, YOU KNOW, UH, MANY HOURS WE APPROVED, THEY TOLD US HOW MANY TOILET ARE GONNA BE, HOW MANY URS, HOW MANY SINKS, HOW MANY SHOWERS, AND THERE'S NONE OF THAT.
WE'VE HAD MORE INFORMATION STILL.
I MEAN TO ME, I, I'VE GOT THE SAME INFORMATION THAT BEFORE, BUT I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL, AGAIN, I'M GOING BACK TO WHAT WE'VE ASKED BEFORE MM-HMM
AND WE, I I, I THINK THE CONSENSUS OF COUNSEL WAS UNDER, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANCE TO THESE NUMBERS SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT BECAUSE IT IS BENEFICIAL FOR BOTH THE TOWN AND COUNTY TO, YOU KNOW, FOR HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA BE THERE TO GET AN ESTIMATE OR, YOU KNOW, HOURS OF OPERATION BECAUSE THOSE ARE JOBS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, SO THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANCE FOR US TO MAKE A, A CALL, AT LEAST TO, TO ME IT WOULD.
I MEAN, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA BASH ME FOR IT AND SO BE IT, BUT NO, I, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US, YOU KNOW? SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WAS BASHING ANYBODY.
I THINK WHAT JOE DID IS THE LAST ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, PEOPLE HAD LOTS OF QUESTIONS AND THEY WANTED TO KNOW USE, THEY WANTED, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP AS I RECALL COUNCIL, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT TOO, IS JUST THAT HOW DO WE KNOW WE HAVE ENOUGH? BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT NUMBERS, WE REALIZED THAT THE LATEST NUMBERS THE CONSULTANTS GAVE US DIDN'T INCLUDE, IT DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THIS ALL THE, THE POTENTIAL THINGS THAT WE KNEW THAT WERE IN THE PIPELINE.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. PETTY WENT BACK AND GOT INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TOOK EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDER CONSIDERATION, WHICH I HAVE TO SAY, EVERYTHING'S IN HERE.
EVEN PROBABLY SOME THINGS THAT MAY NEVER EVEN COME TO FRUITION IN OUR LIFETIME, BUT IT'S THERE SO WE CAN AT LEAST SAY EVEN WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THAT THERE IS STILL SOME EXTRA CAPACITY.
AND I'LL JUST, AGAIN, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THEIR CASE FOR THEM OR ANYTHING.
I'M JUST TRYING TO BRING, SO, BECAUSE I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO THE REZONING, YOU KNOW, WHEN EQUI CAME BACK, I'M LOOKING AT EXECUTIVE HOLDINGS AND THEY DID 4,200, IT WAS LESS THAN 45 4.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST HAVE A MARKETING DOCUMENT AND THEY JUST, I JUST PULLED IT UP.
THEY HAVE A 341,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND IT'S JUST DRAWN ON A MAP AND THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE.
THERE'S NO, HE MIGHT HAVE THROWN BATHROOMS IN THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, UNTIL THEY'RE TRYING TO MARKET IT TO GET SOMEBODY TO COME IN THERE.
AND THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED WITH THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY, IT WAS, UH, INLAND PORT LOGISTICS, LLC, WHEN HE BUILT IT, THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO GET LOGISTICS.
HE ENDED UP LOCKING IN IRON MOUNTAIN TO DO THAT.
AND NOW IT'S THE CRANE COMPANY, THEY SUBLEASED AND NOW THEY GOT TWO TENANTS OUT THERE.
SO THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE LOGISTICS AND IT ENDED UP BEING ACTUALLY A QUALITY TENANT THAT SIGNED A 10 YEAR LEASE.
AND THEY DON'T APPARENTLY SEE.
SO THAT'S THE DIFFICULT PART WITH, I THINK WITH THE INLAND PORT AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, IN MY, WHAT WE WERE TRYING, I ALWAYS FELT LOGISTICS WAS A STRONG SUIT FOR US.
I KNOW IT DOESN'T ALWAYS PRODUCE AS MANY JOBS AS YOU LIKE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR THE TAX BASE, BUT WE HAVE THE INLAND PORT.
SO IT IS A TARGET INDUSTRY THAT WE GO AFTER.
IF WE CAN GET A MANUFACTURER LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND PRESENT THOSE JOBS.
BUT SOMETIMES THE MARKET JUST DICTATES WHAT YOU GET.
AND SOMETIMES ALSO HAVING THE BUILDING IS THE, THE IMPORTANT PART BACK IN COVID, UM, BEDP WHEN THE STATE WAS LOOKING, IF YOU HAD A BUILDING, YOU WERE IN THE MOST MARKETABLE
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PLACE IN THE STATE.NOBODY HAD BUILDINGS AND THAT THEN THERE BECAME AN INVENTORY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK, UM, I UNDERSTAND AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN, FROM THE REZONING TO THE SITE PLAN.
SO, UM, I KNOW THEY SPOKE LAST TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE, IF YOU HAD ANY.
THEY ARE, I JUST, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DOES COUNSEL WANT TO, UH, IS, IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE WILLING TO SAY WE'LL PROVIDE THE WATER OR NOT, OR AT LEAST GET TO A POINT WHERE THERE'S, I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE PRESENTING INFORMATION.
IS THAT WHAT THE PURPOSE IS TONIGHT IS FOR US TO DECIDE IF WE WANNA PUT IN ONE REGULAR MEETING OR IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD? IF NOT, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T ADD IT TO AN AGENDA.
IT, IT ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY OVER OUR WATER CAPACITY.
AND I, I GUESS IT OPENED MINDS TO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A SPEC BUILDING THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED INTO A MULTITUDE OF THINGS.
AND I KNOW THAT COUNCILWOMAN DEMON PAY IS CONCERNED OVER, YOU KNOW, COULD THIS TURN INTO A DATA CENTER? UM, IF WE CAP THE WATER USAGE, WELL, IF WE CAP WATER USAGE, UH, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT AREAS THAT ARE GONNA GET ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND I'VE SEEN THIS.
I, I WORKED FOR A COMPANY THAT CHOSE THE LOCATION 'CAUSE IT HAD A SPEC BUILDING IN THERE, AND THEN THEY MODIFY AND THEY ADDED ONTO IT.
UM, MANY COMPANIES, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING, UM, TO MR. PETTY'S COMMENT, WHEN THEY CAN GET INTO A SPEC BUILDING, THE TIME TABLE ALL OF A SUDDEN MOVES UP.
YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR INSTANTLY.
SO I UNDERSTAND, I I GAIN A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, I BELIEVE, OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
IT IS A SPECULATION, BUT INSTEAD OF A TRADITIONAL EDA BUILDING, A SHELL BUILDING AND HOPING TO ATTRACT IT, NOW WE HAVE INVESTORS LOOKING TO DO THIS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WITH THE SAFEGUARD THAT COUNCIL HAS PLACED IN THEIR OVER WATER USAGE, I DO THINK IT ADDRESSES THE CONCERN OVER DATA CENTERS.
I DO THINK THAT, UM, WE, WE HOLD THE LEGAL CONTROL OVER THAT.
SO, UH, MY PERSONAL OPINION, I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AS IT'S ANSWERED, MY QUESTIONS AND STAFF WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANTS DONE A GREAT JOB HERE ON OUR USAGE AND POTENTIAL AND, AND, AND ADDING THINGS ON HERE I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT.
SO THAT'S MY WHAT WELL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A DATA CENTER WITH THE TWO MINUTES HERE.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT'S THE KEY.
IT'S THE CASE AND, AND, UH, AND I WILL GO AS FAR AS THE LOGISTICS, UM, AND, UH, WHETHER IT'S WAREHOUSING, THEY'RE ONE OF THE LEAST USE, UH, WATER, UH, IMPACTS.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
I'D LIKE THE OTHERS' INPUT OR, OR I CAN START OVER HERE.
ARE YOU READY TO MOVE, MOVE THIS TO A MEETING OR, OR DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, I WOULD GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? YEAH.
THIS IS A COUNCIL DECISION TO PROVIDE WATER OR NOT OH, OH, OH, SORRY.
AND SO IF WE DID NOT DO ACTION TONIGHT THOUGH.
THEY WOULD BE STYMIED FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING DOING ON WEDNESDAY.
I MEAN, NOT THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH, IT WOULD, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT WOULD BE THE APPLICANT'S DECISION, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD KIND OF SET THE TONE OF IF THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD DECISION, WELL, WE WOULDN'T BE ACTUALLY TAKING ACTION TONIGHT.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO APPROVE IT UNTIL A REGULAR MEETING.
JUST MEETING, GETTING THE DEAL.
FOUR IS, OR, OR AT LEAST MOVING IT TO THE, TO A MEETING.
BUT WHAT I HEARD WAS THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
THEY HAVE TO GET THIS STEP WITH US DONE BEFORE THEY CAN DO ANYTHING WITH THE COUNTY, BEFORE THE COUNTY.
BUT THIS IS JUST PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEY'RE STILL NOT AT THE BOARD OF YEAH, THEY'RE NOT.
AND THE BOARD'S THE ONE FOLLOW IT.
ARE YOU READY TO GO? I'M, I'M OKAY.
YEAH, JOSH WAYNE, WELL, I MEAN, I GOT, I, I GUESS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR WHEN I SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT I HAD, I MEAN, JOE PUT ALL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER, BUT AS FAR AS THE APPLICATION ITSELF, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS WANTING TO SEE MORE INFORMATION ON, MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, I HAVE A CONCERN, LEGITIMATE CONCERN, JUST NOT JUST THE UNKNOWN AND, AND, AND THE REQUEST.
THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I STAND ON.
I MEAN, YOU CAN GO TO PUBLIC, YOU CAN GO TO THE MEETING, BUT THAT'S JUST WHERE I STAND RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT, THE QUE YOU KNOW, THE, THE
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INFORMATION THAT WE WERE GIVEN AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, EXCESS WATER, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL GREAT.BUT IT, IT'S STILL, THE APPLICATION ITSELF, ITSELF TO ME HASN'T, HASN'T CHANGED WITH ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I, I DON'T, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, AGAIN, JUST A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, TWO THINGS I JUST WANNA SAY ABOUT THAT.
SO WE, WE, I, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US IS JUST WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL PROVIDE WATER.
WE DON'T ACTUALLY GET TO DETERMINE AS THE TOWN, IF THE COUNTIES, IT'LL ALL FALL IN THE COUNTY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY THINK THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT THEY WANNA SUPPORT OR NOT.
BUT WE, IF WE DON'T PROVIDE WATER, IT'S, IT'S DEAD IN THE WATER.
BUT, UM, SO THAT'S THE IDEA, RIGHT.
WAYNE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AS LONG AS THE ADDRESS IS CORRECTED.
AND THEN ONE OTHER THING THAT, THAT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE DONE BECAUSE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, I, I MEAN, YEAH.
AFTER ALL MY YEARS AND WHAT I DID, IT'S GOTTA BE DONE.
ONE THING I WOULD ASK THIS COUNSEL THOUGH IS, IS IF YOU DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE APPLICATION OR THE, THE PROJECT OR WHATEVER THAT'S GONNA GO IN THE BUILDING OR, OR I KNOW, JOSH, YOU SAID YOU HAD SOME MORE QUESTIONS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO LET MR. PETTY KNOW WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE HE CAN GET WITH THE APPLICANT SO THAT WHEN THEY GET HERE THE NIGHT OF THE MEETING, THEY'RE NOT BLINDSIDED WITH A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS THAT THEN THEY'VE GOTTA GO BACK AND FIND.
I MEAN, MAY, THEY MAY KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS WHEN WE'RE STAYING THERE, THERE, BUT IF IT'S NUMBERS AND STUFF, THAT WOULD BE, BECAUSE WE WILL, WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS THEN, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE CAN'T ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS.
SO THEN GET 'EM, GET THE QUESTIONS.
DID MR. PETTY, MR. PETTY CAN ASK THE APPLICANT? I JUST
I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK NOW.
WE, WE GENERALLY DON'T DO THAT AT WORK SESSION AT RISK OF OPENING UNLIMITED FORUM.
UNFORTUNATELY IT WOULD TURN INTO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MEETING.
BUT ANYWAY, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE THIS COMES BEFORE THE COUNCIL, IT CAN GO ON SEPTEMBER'S MEETING BECAUSE THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, SO IT'LL BE ON THE SEPTEMBER 25TH MEETING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED ANSWERED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 25TH BEFORE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ABLE TO TAKE, UM, TAKE ACTION ON IT, LET MR. PETTY KNOW ASAP SO HE CAN GET WITH STAFFER ONE.
AND DO THEY NEED TO, TO FILL OUT A NEW APPLICATION WITH THE RIGHT ADDRESS? I'LL, YEAH, I'LL WORK WITH THEM.
I GOTTA, I'LL FORWARD THIS REPORT TO EVERYBODY AND MAKE IT OUT THERE.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING INTO, UH, BOTH GLENN AND BRUCE'S POINTS THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH ROBBIE AND THEM ABOUT IS THE TWO INCH SIZE AND THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF WATER THAT WE CAN PUSH THROUGH THAT BASED OFF OUR PSI THAT WE UTILIZE, BUT ALSO THE TYPES OF METERS THAT WE USE AND THE CAPACITY THAT THEY HAVE.
SO I DO PLAN TO HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL.
ROBBIE AND I WERE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THIS STUFF AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A VALUABLE TOOL AS WELL THAT YOU ALL CAN LOOK AT TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING IF SOMEBODY PROPOSES A TWO INCH LINE AND THE TYPES OF METERS THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF WATER THAT CAN EVER GO.
AND I THINK STEVIE SAID IT WAS CHA, HE LOOKS AT IT AS PIPES, NOT ANYTHING ELSE'S, HOW MUCH WATER CAN GO THROUGH THAT PIPE.
AND THIS IS A TWO INCH LINE, SO, OKAY.
UM, SO I'LL MAKE SURE I ALSO HAVE THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
BUT I THINK THEY'RE ALL JUST GOOD NUMBERS TO HAVE.
SO YOU, YOU ALL KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING AND WHEN THESE THINGS COME BEFORE YOU, NOT JUST THIS ONE BUT ANY FUTURE ONES.
UM, THAT IS THE LAST OF THE OPEN ITEMS TO DISCUSS.
WE JUST HAVE CLOSED, IF SOMEBODY CAN READ TO SEND IT CLOSED.
MAYOR, MAYOR, I MOVE THE TOWN COUNCIL.
CONVENE A CLOSE PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A A OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA ANSWER YES.
UH, CONSULTING WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE 2011 MCKAY SPRINGS, MOU TO THE TOWN FRONT ROYAL IN THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA.
AND YOU'LL NOTE IN THE MINUTES THAT FACE BEAR LIGHT AND BALL OFF
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CONNECTION.