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SEPTEMBER 8TH.[Economic Development Authority on September 8, 2025.]
UH, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL? HILLARY? SURE.AND I DIDN'T HEAR NAME THAT I, I, I SAW FRANK, BUT I, I DUNNO.
HE MIGHT BE, YOUR NAME WAS LAST.
DAVID, YOU JUST HAD TO I'M LAST TODAY.
UM, SO ONGOING BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS, THE BROCHURE.
UM, THIS AGENDA, WE AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP YOU ON YOUR TOES.
WE NEED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
SO WE'RE GONNA AMEND THE AGENDA.
IT DIDN'T SAY THAT, BUT, UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AMEND THE AGENDA TO COVER THE MINUTES.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
SO HOW ABOUT, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE, THE MINUTES FOR DISCUSSION? I GUESS.
SO FROM THE REGULAR MEETING ON THE FOURTH, AND THEN FROM THE WORK SESSION ON THE 18TH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM JULY.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SIGNIFY SAYING AYE.
CAN I GIVE ANOTHER, UH, MOTION FOR THE, UH, WORK SESSION MINUTES? MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM THE MONDAY, AUGUST 18TH WORK SESSION.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY AS SAYING AYE.
IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU HAVE A DRAFT OF A BROCHURE.
I TRIED TO TAKE ALL OF THE THOUGHTS.
DON'T LOOK AT THAT OTHER ONE YET, RICK.
DON'T, DON'T LOOK AT THIS ONE YET.
SO THE SMALL BUSINESS BLUEPRINT, WHICH IS A WORKING TITLE, THAT CAN BE WHATEVER YOU WANT.
SO I TRY TO TAKE THE, EXCUSE ME, THE SPIRIT OF THE WAYNESBORO BEAUTIFUL CANDY LAND SHOOTS AND LADDERS EXAMPLE, AND STREAMLINE IT A LITTLE BIT FOR US.
I STILL THINK THERE'S A LOT OF LANGUAGE ON HERE, SO WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT.
AND THEN ON THE REVERSE OF THE PAGE, IT WILL BE A TRI-FOLD.
MY LINES AREN'T PERFECT YET, BUT ON THE BACK, WHICH WILL BE THE OUTSIDE OF THE BROCHURE, IS ADDITIONAL CONTACTS FOR RESOURCES FOR THOSE SPECIFIC STEPS.
I JUST WANTED TO, I WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS THE ONES THAT I'M MISSING, BUT THIS IS A STAKE IN THE GROUND FULLY GENERATED BY US.
THOUGHTS FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT ABLE NEED THE WORK SESSION.
I THINK I THOUGHT WE COULD PASS AROUND SO THEY CAN SEE WHERE WE'VE HEADED.
I ONLY HAVE ONE AND FRANK AND EIGHT.
BUT IF YOU GUYS COULD SHARE THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF STARTED WITH IN WAYNESBORO.
YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE SAID.
IT WAS, IT WAS FUN, BUT A LITTLE MUCH FOR US.
WELL, LIZZIE KIND OF TOOK OUR REMARKS.
UM, BUT I DIDN'T, ANYWAY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LIKE THIS HERE.
JUST WITH, YOU KNOW, THEIR INFORMATION THAT OUR THERE YES.
THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF STUFF ON THAT DOCUMENT.
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SO WE WENT FROM THAT GUY AND IF YOU RECALL THE ONE THAT EXISTS CURRENTLY, THIS FRIEND.SO WE TOOK THIS GUY AND THE GAME BOARD AND MADE THIS.
SO FIRST, OVERALL, HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THE OVERALL DESIGN? I LIKE IT.
I MEAN, BUT I'M ONLY ONE SEVEN.
THAT'S A LONG POLE IN THE TENT.
WELL, ALMOST, AND IT TOUCHES KIND OF LIKE THE BULLET POINT.
IT, IT JUST FOLLOWS ALONG STEP BY STEP.
I, SIMPLICITY IS ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMEONE NOT REALLY SURE ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE HEADED OR WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
DID A GOOD JOB LAYING THAT OUT.
SO HOW DO WE MOVE THIS FORWARD THEN? WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US? I WOULD LIKE, UM, I WOULD LIKE CLEAR SIGN OFF ON, WE LIKE THE ORDER OF THINGS.
UM, AND THEN I WANNA TALK MORE ABOUT THE RESOURCES THAT ARE ON THE BACK AND SEE IF WE'VE MISSED ANYBODY.
I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW YOUR COLOR CODING NOW.
SO IS THAT, IS IT OKAY, THE COLOR CODING PIECE OF IT? I HAD TO MAKE FUNDING GREEN, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY CARE WHAT THE REST OF THE COLORS WERE, TO BE HONEST.
UM, AND I DO KNOW, UH, THE TOWN MANAGER POINTED OUT THAT I HAVE THE WRONG PHONE NUMBER FOR THE EDA, THE WARREN COUNTY FRONT ROYAL EDA, SO I'M GONNA FIX THAT.
UM, BUT I DID, IT TOOK A WHILE TO FIND ALL OF THE RIGHT PHONE NUMBERS AND WEBSITES.
SO I WAS LIKE, HEY, THIS WILL BE HELPFUL FOR SOMEONE.
AND DAVID, I WENT DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE OF, OF VDA CS OF THE, THE AGRICULTURE STUFF, AND I COULD NOT FIND A SUPER CLEAR RESOURCE FOR US EITHER.
SO I CHOSE FOR WHICH ONE? FOR VA CS.
SO I WENT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.
UM, SO I, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS ON HERE.
UM, BUT I DIDN'T, YEAH, I, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF SHE'S STILL THERE, BUT, UH, THERE WAS, THE, THE PERSON I DEALT WITH WAS, UH, SHE WAS PART OF THAT, BUT SHE WAS ALSO WITH VIRGINIA TECH, SO SHE YEAH.
THAT WOULD BE, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ONE.
THAT'S WHERE THAT, THAT'S WHERE THAT PERSON WAS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL THERE OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S, UM, YEAH, I WILL.
AND THEN, UH, WITH MARKET CELL NETWORK, I THINK YOU HAVE PROBABLY FIVE OTHER LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS.
B AND I I FIGURED NEW PRI, DFR, ALL OF THOSE.
IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE LINKED INTO THIS OTHER THAN JUST THE CHAMBER THAT WAS JUST A STAKE IN THE GROUND.
I KNOW THERE'S MAIN STREET CONNECTIONS AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, ONE THAT FOLKS SIT ON TWO AND THURSDAY.
OG I THOUGHT THEY WERE R NO, MAIN STREET IS FRIDAY, RIGHT? OG IS THURSDAY AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ONE, THAT ONE I'VE BEEN TO, THE OTHER ONE I HAVE NOT.
IT'S THE ONE BRENT USED TO BE IN.
AND THEN WITH YOUR BUILD THE TEAM, YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO BACK INTO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, EITHER THE SCHOOL OR OR LOWER
I MEAN, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE TALENT POOL IS, IS AVAILABLE THERE, YOU MIGHT WANNA OKAY.
SHOULD WE STATE UNDER MAKE A PLAN THAT THAT'S A FREE RESOURCE FOR RURAL RIDGE SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT TEAM? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THERE'S ENOUGH LIFE SPACE THERE THAT WE JUST USE FREE RESOURCES.
WELL, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE FILLING A LOT OF IT UP RIGHT NOW.
I I THINK THEY WERE JUST FILLING IN THE BACK, RIGHT? YEAH.
YEAH, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SNAKE, CALL IT THE TIMELINE.
RIGHT? SO IF WE CHANGE THAT, THAT CALL ON THIS SIDE, IF WE CHANGE SO ROOM, SAY THIS IS A FREE RESOURCE.
THAT'S, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S FREE GUYS.
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RIGHT.IT'S NOT GONNA COST YOU A DIME TO TALK TO 'EM.
I SAVE YOU SOME MONEY WITH GOOD ADVICE.
COUPLE THINGS I WA I WAS JUST MENTIONING IS, SO THIS DOWN HERE ON THIS ONE SAYS, ARE YOU VETERAN OWNED SW? ARE YOU A SWAM BUSINESS? YEAH.
LIKE THAT WOULD BE HUGE FOR SOMEONE TO KNOW IF THEY EVEN QUALIFY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS A SMALL BUSINESS.
I MEAN, IT TOOK ME ALMOST THREE YEARS TO EVEN KNEW WHAT THAT WAS UNTIL I, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AWAY THAT WOULD GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO INCORPORATE THAT, BUT THOSE, THAT'S WHY THEY PUT THOSE TWO DOWN THERE.
BECAUSE RIGHT THERE AT THAT POINT OF LIKE, CUT THE RIBBON, YOU'RE GONNA WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GOT FUNDING.
SO WHICH NUMBER SHOULD WE PUT THAT UNDER? I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU GOTTA PUT UNDER A NUMBER AND JUST PUT IT ON THE, THE BACK FIVE.
WELL, IT'S ALSO FINE IF ABOVE FRONT ROYAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR I THINK FUNDING TOO.
I MEAN, YOUR MONITOR, ADAPT, GROW.
IT CAN BE THERE IN NUMBER 10 OR IT CAN BE IN, YOU KNOW, NUMBER EIGHT.
WHAT AM I GONNA GET WHEN I SCAN THAT? THIS DOCUMENT, THE WEB PAGE, THE FLOOD PAGE RIGHT HERE.
SO THE, THE PAGE WITH ALL THE BUTTONS ON IT, WHICH INCLUDES THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT'LL GET YOU.
THIS BASICALLY OUR, OUR WEBPAGE, THE ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT BEFORE, AND I WENT AHEAD AND PUT THIS UP THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER TOO.
SO YOU CAN CLICK ON THE PDF AND IT'LL DOWNLOAD THE THIS AS A PDF FOR YOU.
SO I, I THINK YOU SHOULD PRINT A MODEST AMOUNT OF THESE AND GET 'EM OUT INTO THE WORLD AND FIND OUT WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG ABOUT SOME OF IT.
AND MORE SUGGESTIONS LIKE PEOPLE HAVE.
AND YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GET TOO MANY SUGGESTIONS PROBABLY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET 'EM ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK OF THIS.
BUT AS SOMEBODY WHO JUST PRINTED, UH, MY PRICING AT THE BOWLING CENTER AND I JUST FOUND OUT A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT IT IS WRONG,
AND, AND AND AND I HAD THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE PROOF IT
I, AND HAVE PEOPLE LOOK AT IT.
WE JUST PRINTED THIS IN HOUSE, WE CAN PRINT.
I KNOW KNOW, BUT I'M SAYING 25 OF 'EM AND HAVE PEOPLE LOOK AT IT.
OR YOU COULD JUST MAYBE EMAIL SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ANSWERED THE SURVEY IS THERE, IN A WAY, THERE ARE STAKEHOLDERS OR PEOPLE THAT AT LEAST SURE.
IS THERE ANOTHER RESOURCE IN TOWN FOR PLANNING? UM, I WAS THINKING OF, UH, SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT TOLD ME TO HELP.
I FORGOT TO PUT SCORE ON HERE.
IS THAT THE ONE YOU WERE THINKING OF? THAT'S IT.
AND, AND WHAT ABOUT THAT? UM, THE SOCIETY OF IS HERB UNDER THE CHAMBER? NO, HERB IS SBDC FOR HAGERSTOWN.
AND I THOUGHT TIM AND HE'S TIM WAS HELPING TOO.
UM, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT I KNEW HERB WAS DOING IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S MOVING AWAY OR WHAT.
I'LL PUT SCORE UNDER OR MAKE A PLAN.
I HAVE, UM, IT, IT, I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH TO GO THROUGH ALL OF IT, BUT I'VE TEXT EDITED SOME SUGGESTIONS TO KIND OF, CAN I JUST EMAIL YOU THE PDF D YES.
EMPHASIS ON, YOU CAN DEFINITELY SEE ALL THAT THEY PUT IN THAT PAGE.
I MEAN IT'S, I MEAN IT IS GOT EVERYTHING JUST READING IT, YOU COULD JUST CONTINUE TO KEEP GOING.
WHEN THEY MADE AN INTERACTIVE ONE ON THEIR WEBSITE, THEY'RE VERY COOL.
SO THIS IS PART ONE, RIGHT? SO WE MAKE THIS PAPER VERSION AND THEN WE MIRROR THIS IN THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN
ALLY, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GONNA KEEP THINKING OF MORE STUFF THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE.
NO, EVENTUALLY YOU'RE JUST NOT GONNA HAVE ROOM.
YOU'RE GONNA STICK UP AND IT'S GONNA START LOOKING MORE AND MORE LIKE, UH,
WE DO HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
AND, AND WAYNESBORO, I, I ADMIRE WHAT THEY HAVE ON THAT PAPER AT THIS.
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DO YOU WANNA CALL THIS THING? NEW BUSINESS BLUEPRINT THAT WORKS FOR ME.WELL BEING HOW YOU HAVE IT ON THE TITLE PAGE.
IT'S FUNNY HOW THINGS LIKE THAT WORKED OUT.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SAY GUIDE AS WELL.
SO I THINK WE NEED SHORTEN IT BLUEPRINT.
'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF PROGRESSIVE TO THE DIFFERENT STATE.
I DON'T REALLY STRONG, I PLAYED AROUND WITH ROADMAP TOO.
I WASN'T SURE BLUEPRINT FELT PLAN, PLANNING PLAN.
I MEAN, YOU'RE LEAVING IT UP TO THEM TO, TO DO THE ACTION.
SO IT REALLY JUST MAKES SENSE TO SHOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN FOLLOW.
NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO FOR THEM AT THAT POINT.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY READ THIS AND START IT.
I MEAN, THE ONLY SIMPLER TERM WOULD BE DO BUSINESS STARTUP, IMAGINE YOUR SUCCESS IN STARTING SOMETHING THAT, AND THEN THIS HERE WOULD CARRY THAT SAME TITLE, WHATEVER, CORRECT.
AND SOMEWHERE ON THIS IMAGE WILL BE ATTRIBUTED TO US IN CASE IT GETS DIGITALLY SHARED AND IT'S JUST THIS, AND NO ONE KNOWS WHERE IT CAME FROM OR WHO CURATED IT OR WHO NEEDS TO EDIT IT.
SO, UM, ON PAPER IT'S ONE THING 'CAUSE IT'S DOUBLE SIDED, BUT RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
THERE'LL BE SOMETHING I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT YET, BUT SOMETHING GREAT.
AND NUMBER FIVE OR SIX I WOULD JUST SUGGEST MAYBE CHANGING MUST TO SHOULD OR HIGHLY, HIGHLY ADVISED.
THERE'S PLENTY OF FOLKS IN TOWN THAT AREN'T FOLLOWING THAT EXAMPLE OR THE, THE MUST SO MEAN I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE YOU CAN OPEN A BUSINESS WITHOUT IS MY POINT.
SHOULD YOU, IT'S HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
IT'S PROBABLY, IT WILL LIKELY COST YOU MONEY DOWN THE ROAD, BUT MUST IF YOU WANNA OPEN UP A CAR GARAGE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU GOT, YOU MUST MAKE SURE YOU CAN DO THAT.
NO, ACTUALLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
YOU CAN PAY WHATEVER PENALTY AND FINE YOU WANT TO
I ACTUALLY HAD A NEIGHBOR DO IT.
I HAD A NEIGHBOR DO IT FOR YEARS.
WELL, PEOPLE ARE DOING IT ON THE STREETS OF FRONT ROYAL RIGHT NOW.
BUT AS WE WANT, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
SO I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG.
THEN PUT MUST I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH MUST.
YEAH, IT SUGGESTION WROTE DAVID.
I I'M JUST SAYING IT'S SUGGESTED WELL, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS A PIECE OF PAPER THAT THEY CAN PICK UP, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
NAH, WELL, TO AVOID HEARTBURN DOWN THE ROAD, PLEASE DO THIS.
OR ELSE AT THE END, OR ELSE IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION TOO.
LEAVE IT UP THERE MADGIE OR ELSE I, I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GUIDE THEM IN DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE COLLECTED ON HERE.
IF YOU GUYS A HAD SOME LANGUAGE SUGGESTIONS AS WELL.
SO SOME OF THIS STUFF'S GONNA SHIFT ANYWAY.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE AS A GROUP WITH ME SHARING THIS DRAFT WITH COUNCIL THIS EVENING? I MEAN, I'M GONNA MAKE SOME CHANGES BEFOREHAND, BUT YES.
AND I WILL EMPHASIZE IT'S A DRAFT REPEATEDLY THAT IT'S A DRAFT.
WELL, MAYBE YOU NEED TO SAY THAT ON IT SOMEWHERE.
THE WATERMARK LITTLE 45 DEGREE ANGLE DRAFT.
YOU KNOW, THE, THOSE FOLKS KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE AND YEAH.
JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU THINK IS MISSING.
IT'S GONNA BE A QUICK HIT, SO, OKAY.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GO AND REPRESENT OUR BODY TONIGHT AT SEVEN, SEVEN MORE LIKELY SEVEN 30 OR EIGHT.
WELL, WE GOT BUMPED UP IN THE AGENDA, SO WE'RE EARLY NOW.
TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE AGENDA.
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NICE TO KNOW PEOPLE.SO ANYWAY, IF ANY OF YOU GUYS WANT TO GO AND REPRESENT OUR BOARD THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, STAND WITH LIVING, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
BUT I GOT OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES TONIGHT, SO IT'S REALLY VERY LIKELY NOT GONNA BE A Q AND A KIND OF THING.
JUST, UH, THAT ACTUALLY LEADS ME INTO THE OTHER PIECE OF PAPER THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
ONE OTHER THING THAT POPPED IN MY HEAD, UM, IN NUMBER FIVE.
UM, SO GOING AND PLANNING AND ZONING FIRST IS, IS, IS CORRECT, BUT WILL PLANNING AND ZONING POINT SOMEBODY TO WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE? ABSOLUTELY.
JUST, I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD BE MENTIONED OR THEY ABSOLUTELY WILL.
I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYBODY HEARS IT WHEN THEY GO IN THERE
BUT I THINK THEY, I THINK THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TELLING ME, YOU'RE NOT DONE YET,
THERE'S, YOU GOTTA GO OVER TO THAT OTHER GOVERNMENT BUILDING.
WELL, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY CAN'T SIGN OFF ON WITHOUT RECEIVING FROM THE COUNTY, THESE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS OR WHATEVER AUTHORIZATIONS.
AND I DID INCLUDE THEM ON THE CONTACT RESOURCES ON THE BACK PORTION.
BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, NO, THAT'S GREAT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY FINE RIGHT THERE.
AND WARREN COUNTY PLANNING, IN CASE THEY, IN CASE THEY'RE NOT DOING COUNTY, WE STILL WANT THIS TO BE HELPFUL, EVEN IF IT'S NOT IN OUR 10 AND A HALF, FOUR MILES.
WELL, NO, I, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GREAT THE WAY YOU HAVE IT BECAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE ON THE FRONT YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT SO IT WASN'T LIKE WAYNESBORO.
AND, AND, UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS HARD TO DO,
NO, AND THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA GOING TO THIS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT WAY IT'S NOT ALL JAMMED INTO ONE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, OKAY.
UH, I'M GUESSING, I I, I MEAN I CAME INTO THIS SORT OF UNFOLDED, SO I'M GUESSING THAT AS YOU UNFOLDED UNFOLD, YEAH.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT AND KIND OF REALIZE THAT YOU'RE GOING FROM FRONT TO BACK OR TO SEE THOSE FEMALE EMAILS.
SO THIS IS A SILLY QUESTION, BUT, SO THE COLORS, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE AREN'T AS INTUITIVE AS OTHERS.
WE WANT TO HAVE A GUIDE, A KEY, A LEGEND, A FOR THE NUMBER OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE PURPLE GREEN.
SO THEY DO HAVE A HEADER, LIKE MAKE A PLAN.
NOW WE CAN INCLUDE THE NUMBERS.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF SPACE, HONESTLY, BUT OH, THE COLOR PIECE? YEAH.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD PICK UP ON THE FACT THAT THESE COLORS HERE RELATE TO THESE COLORS HERE.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, SEE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT THIS WAY, RIGHT? IF YOU FOLD IT, YOU MAY GO, WAIT A MINUTE, I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW THAT MM-HMM
NOW I'M GONNA, I MIGHT DO THAT.
I AGREE WITH THAT WAS SORT OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT IDEA, IS WILL SOMEBODY MAKE THAT CONNECTION? BUT RIGHT.
I THINK IN A TRI TRIFOLD, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, I GUESS EASIER.
I'M GONNA ALSO PUT A STATEMENT ON THE INTERIOR THAT THE RESOURCES ARE ON THE BACK.
NO, I THINK THEY WERE TOO, I DID HAVE THE NUMBERS ON IT ORIGINALLY THAT CORRESPONDED.
OH, DID YOU? AND IT FELT BUSY, SO I TOOK 'EM OFF.
WELL, I CAN PUT 'EM BACK AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOU LIKE.
PUT AIDEN WORDSMITHED AND YOU WORDSMITHED AND SEE WHAT OTHER SUGGESTIONS PEOPLE HAVE AND BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING, I GUESS.
WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT ONE.
THIS OTHER DOCUMENT YOU HAVE IN YOUR HAND, UM, I'VE BEEN ASKED TO GIVE COUNSEL A BRIEF EDA UPDATE ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN UP TO.
UM, I WANTED TO SHARE WITH THEM THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE CURATED, UM, AND THEN INFORMATION ABOUT WHO'S COME TO SEE YOU, WHERE YOU'VE BEEN, PARTNERSHIP WITH RETAIL STRATEGIES, THAT SORT OF THING.
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I CREATED THIS LITTLE ONE SHEET.WHAT ARE OUR THOUGHTS ON, AND I'M LITERALLY JUST GONNA WALK THEM THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, WHAT ARE OUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? AND DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTION? I, YOU DID A GREAT JOB ON THIS.
THE ONLY, AND I'M MIXED ON THIS STATEMENT I'M ABOUT TO MAKE.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE WIDE VARIETY OF TOPICS THAT COUNCIL TAKES UPON THEMSELVES, I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH HOW WE MAY HAVE INVESTED THE CAPITAL THAT THEY'VE SENT TO US.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF MAYBE OUR EXPENDITURE WITH RETAIL STRATEGY SHOULD BE REFLECTED.
SO THAT THEY WOULD KNOW THAT IN 2024 WE DID THIS, AND OH, BY THE WAY, WE'VE DONE IT FOR 2025.
SO THAT THEY CAN SEE HOW WE ARE EXPENDING DOLLARS.
WELL, AND, AND I THINK SAYING BASED ON RESULTS, RIGHT, WE EITHER WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SECOND LEG OF THIS.
WE FORWARD THE SECOND YEAR, CORRECT? WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET.
WELL, THAT'S COMING UP THIS FALL.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE FIRST YEAR RIGHT NOW.
SO MAYBE WE REFLECT OUR EXPENDITURE IN 2024 AND OUR POTENTIAL EXPENDITURE IN 2025 FOR RENEWAL SOUND, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY IF WE'RE GONNA DO A REPORT TO THEM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW SOME OF THE CAPITAL WAS ASSESSED, HELP HELP THEM.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? IS IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER FIELD? IS IT AN AUTORENEW WITH THE CONTRACTOR? NO.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE AN OPT OUT, BUT IT'S NOT A NECESSARY OPT IN.
SO IT'S LIKE, I I BELIEVE IT IS AN AUTO RIGHT TO CANCELLATION.
PROBABLY LIKE A 90 DAY WINDOW.
THERE, THERE IS A RIGHT TO CANCELLATION.
I THOUGHT WE DID A THREE YEAR DEAL WITH A, WITH AN OUT FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD YEAR.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
WE NEED TO GET THAT IN OUR CALENDAR REMINDERS THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS UNDER, WHAT TIMEFRAME IS THIS UNDER, IS THIS UNDER JUST THIS YEAR? I DID THE, UH, I WENT BACK AS FAR AS JULY OF LAST YEAR.
SO I DID FULL FIFTH FALL OF 25.
I, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS LIKE THE ENTIRETY OF WHEN WE NO.
SO YOU'RE JUST GIVEN IN A REPORT HERE ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK ON? YES, SURE.
AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO, BUT I MEAN, I KNOW.
HOW WOULD YOU BEST ARTICULATE THAT? ALL RIGHT.
SO I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC THING.
YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WANT TO REVISIT THE PARKING STUDY THAT WAS DONE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC AND BEFORE WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVE IN.
A LOT OF GREAT BUSINESSES MOVE INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
JUST A SIMPLE STATEMENT THAT THE BODY'S INTERESTED IN.
CHECKING IN WITH THE, THE ORGANIZATION.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO, WHAT THEY WERE, I DON'T REMEMBER THEIR NAME, BUT, UH, I THINK N-S-C-R-C HELPED US WITH THAT IN 2019.
SO I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PLANNING AND ZONING.
HAS A OVERARCHING TRANSPORTATION STUDY ON THEIR UPCOMING PROJECTS.
AND PARKING LIKELY BE A PIECE OF THAT.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO PLUG THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR BODY AND WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT EFFORT SO THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DATA AS WELL.
I MEAN, OUR FOCUS SHOULD BE THE ENTIRE TOWN, BUT YES.
BUT THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT PARKING IS, IS DIFFICULT.
YOU'RE REFERRING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN, IT'S IN THE MAIN STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW IF IT IS OR IT ISN'T.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, PARKING IS DIFFICULT ON COURT DAYS.
PARKING IS DIFFICULT AT FOUR TO SEVEN O'CLOCK.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK WE KIND OF KNOW WHEN PARKING IS DIFFICULT ALREADY, BUT IT'D BE NICE TO QUANTIFY IT AND HELP FIGURE OUT IS IT A REAL ISSUE OR
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IS IT JUST, YOU KNOW, A SHORT TERM ISSUE.DO YOU WANT THAT INCLUDED ON THIS DOCUMENT OR DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST TALK ABOUT IT? I THINK YOU CAN JUST TALK ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, DO, LIKE, THIS IS MORE REFLECTIVE THAN NECESSARILY FORWARD, SO, OKAY.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? I MEAN, AM I PARKING UP THE WRONG TREE WITH THE PARKING THING HERE? IS IT JUST MY ISSUE? NO, NOT AT ALL.
I, I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT IS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE THINKING OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE AREA THAT WE'RE THINKING OF.
AND, AND SOME OF THAT, I THINK WE'RE DOING SOME OF THAT WITH THAT RETAIL STRATEGIES.
I KNOW SOME OF THE THOUGHT OF BEFORE WAS IS, YOU KNOW, WAS LIKE GROCERIES AND, YOU KNOW, GROCERY STORES.
WE HAD HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT OF THAT OR YOU KNOW, HOW, WHAT'S THE NEXT AREA THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME UP AND COMING GROWTH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WOULD THEN TIE BACK INTO THE SAME CONVERSATION ABOUT BARKING.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF YOU HAD AN AN AREA START TO, TO GROW, YOU WOULD NEED TO DO THE SAME EXACT THING SO IT COULD BECOME A POTENTIAL BLEED IN TO THE SAME ISSUE.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT IS SO THAT IT DOESN'T COMPOUND INTO THE ENTIRETY OF THE AREA.
'CAUSE THAT'S ALL IT DOES IS JUST SPREAD OUT.
SO TO RICK'S POINT, IF YOU'VE HAD NEW GROWTH, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU SEE WHERE THAT'S HAPPENING AND THEN ACCOMMODATE ACCORDINGLY TO THOSE AREAS.
AND IN, IN SAYING THAT, THAT MIGHT BE RIGHT IN THESE AREAS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE JUST DON'T KNOW IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE DID TALK YEARS AGO, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION ON THIS.
WE HAD HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GROCERY STORES MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL LEADS THAT WE WANTED TO APPROACH TO BRING IN HERE.
I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHAT THAT WOULD BRING TO THE COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE HAD SOME DIFFERENCES IN THE THOUGHT OF COMPENSATION TO THE COMMUNITY BASED ON HOW MANY EMPLOYEES IT WOULD, IT WOULD EMPLOY.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF EMPTINESS OUT THERE.
I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO USE THIS TO REALLY INFLUENCE WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.
'CAUSE WE'RE USING THIS TO BRING THAT MM-HMM
SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY OLD BUSINESS THAT WE COULD REALLY TALK ABOUT IS, IS WE'D LIKE THE FOREGO PARKING AND WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR US TO BRING MM-HMM
BECAUSE THAT'S THAT SAME QUESTION.
YOU WANT AN AMAZON STORY?
IT'S A GREAT ARTICLE ONLINE ABOUT IT THE OTHER DAY.
THEY SAID THEY WERE AI FOR YEARS AND IT TURNS OUT IT WASN'T EVER AI IT WAS THIRD WORLD CONTRACTORS THAT THEY WEREN'T PAYING ENOUGH.
THE, THE WORST PRODUCE YOU EVER SEEN.
OKAY, WELL WE WON'T GO AFTER ONE OF THEM.
ANY OTHER FINAL THOUGHTS ON THIS? NO, I THINK IT'S GREAT.
SO WHAT'S THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA? WHAT WORLDS OF WORK? WORLDS OF WORK.
UM, THIS WAS, THIS IS THE MIDDLE SCHOOL EMPLOYER, NOT THE SCHOOL.
THE KIDS AREN'T THE EMPLOYEES, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S AN EXPO WE TALKED ABOUT NOW FOR A COUPLE OF MEETINGS.
UM, LORD, UM, I USE HILLARY'S WORDS.
UH, WE, I WANTED TO BRING THIS BACK AROUND BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE FROM OUR ORGANIZATION HAS SIGNED UP TO VOLUNTEER.
AND SO IF THEY WANT TO, UM, THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY TO, WHAT IS IT? IT'S
SHE'S TRYING TO ARTICULATE DOWN THERE.
IT'S, IT'S A MIDDLE SCHOOL JOB FAIR.
THAT HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE FOR KIDS TO TRY A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT VERTICALS OF, OF INDUSTRY.
UM, THE EVENT IS ON OCTOBER 2ND.
UM, IT'S AT THE SHE UNIVERSITY EVENT CENTER NAMED AFTER SOMEBODY, I DON'T KNOW,
AND, UM, THEY, VALLEY HEALTH WILL BE THERE.
THERE'LL BE A LOT OF INDUSTRIES THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
THEY'RE STILL LOOKING FOR MORE.
UM, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THE KIDS COME IN AND GET TO TRY THINGS HANDS ON.
IT'S BEEN GOING ON A LONG TIME, BUT I WILL BE THERE.
AND I WOULD INVITE AND ENCOURAGE ANY OF YOU IF YOU WANT TO VOLUNTEER SOME TIME OR JUST TO COME CHECK IT OUT.
UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
DO I NEED TO GET WITH YOU? YES, I'M GETTING WITH YOU.
DO YOU HAVE A TIMEFRAME? THERE IS ONE.
ARE YOU HOSTING A BOOTH OR ARE YOU JUST HELPING SUPPORT THE MAP? I'M JUST HELPING
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SUPPORT, I'M NOT HOSTING A BOOTH.DO I NEED TO HAVE A BOOTH IF I'M SUPPORTING? NO.
I, MY, YOU CAN IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT MY CA MY MY THOUGHT ON THIS WAS THAT WE GO AND OBSERVE AND WE FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEN SEE HOW WE CAN ADD VALUE IN PRE, IN PROCEEDING YEARS.
THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
I'M GETTING OUTTA MY PHONE NOW.
SO
UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, I GUESS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT IN A WAY.
UM, ANY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS? I, I'VE GOT ONE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OUR TOWN MANAGER WANTS US TO GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE OR IF IT'S EVEN IN OUR, THERE'S SOMETHING IN PLANS WITH VDOT FOR SOUTH STREET AND IT'S PRETTY RADICAL, NOT RADICAL.
IT'S, IT IS DEFINITELY A CHANGE IN FRONT OF MCDONALD'S AND THE ENTRY TO MARTIN'S AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY YOU EXIT THAT SHOPPING CENTER COMPLEX, WHICH IS DIRECT IMPACT ON ECONOMIC VIABILITY.
UM, AND TO ME, THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN RESEARCHED SUCH AS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND YOU CAN PROBABLY CORRECT ME IF I, I DON'T WANT TO MISSTATE IT UP.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S ONLY ONE WAY IN THAT MARTIN WON'T BE ABLE TO EXIT TO GO LEFT ANYMORE.
THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO EXIT OUT.
THEY'RE GONNA FORCE TRAFFIC ON A CERTAIN DIRECTION.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA PUT A STOP LIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MARTINS GAS STATION AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL CONJECTURE.
I I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN WELL THOUGHT OUT, THOUGHT OUT.
COULD WE INVITE THEM TO PRESENT THEIR PLAN TO US? YEAH.
THE, THE SMART, SO IT'S A SMART SCALE PROJECT THROUGH VDOT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE VDOT COME IN.
UM, IT'S CURRENTLY, I'M JUST PULLING UP THE STATUS ON IT NOW.
I MEAN I THINK THAT HAVING THEM PRESENT THE, THE PLAN AND WHAT THE TIMETABLE IS MIGHT BE HELPFUL AND, YOU KNOW, GET SOME INSIGHT FROM FOLKS THAT USE
WELL, AND YOU KNOW, MY ULTIMATE IDEA WHO, WHO WOULD PAY FOR IT IS BEYOND ME.
SO IT IS A, IT'S A VDOT PROJECT, SO VDOT PAYS IT FOR IT.
UM, WELL, BUT THE IDEA WAS, THE ALTERNATIVE IDEA WAS TO PUT A BRIDGE OVER HAPPY CREEK EXITING FROM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE PLAN.
AND TAKING QUITE A MAJOR AMOUNT OF THAT TRAFFIC ACROSS HAPPY CREEK, ON THE REMOUNT ROAD.
UM, AND TO ME THAT FALLS RIGHT IN LINE TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S POTENTIALLY GONNA HAPPEN BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER BETWEEN THERE AND ER ROAD.
SO I JUST DON'T THINK THEY LOOK, IT SEEMS LIKE A SHORT SIDED PLAN.
I THINK THEY'RE STILL, THEY'LL HAVE MORE OF A PUBLIC SESSION.
CONSTRUCTION ISN'T ANTICIPATED TO START UNTIL 2028.
SO I DID KNOW THAT WAS IN THE FIVE YEARS.
SMART SCALE'S ABOUT A 10 YEAR PROJECT.
I MEAN, THIS STATES BACK TO 2022 AND, AND I, I'M GONNA PLEAD IGNORANCE ON, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THOUGHTS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT PRESENTED, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF WHAT I'M HEARING MM-HMM
AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHEN I SPOKE TO THE FOLKS THAT MANAGED THAT SHOPPING CENTER, THEY DIDN'T EVEN SEEM AWARE OF IT.
SO THEY SAID, PLEASE GET BACK TO ME ON IT.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME POTENTIALLY LARGE GROWTH BEHIND THAT SHOPPING CENTER COMPLEX WITH PROBABLY SOME SORT OF A RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX.
AND, UH, HAVING AN EXIT ACROSS HAPPY CREEK ONTO REMOUNT ROAD, YOU KNOW, WITH A, WITH ANOTHER BRIDGE SEEMS A REALLY VIABLE OPTION TO DIVERT TRAFFIC FROM SOUTH STREET RATHER THAN CONTROL ITS FLOW.
SO, SO WE CAN SEE ABOUT HAVING DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS COME IN WITH VDOT AT A FUTURE MEETING TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT STATUS OF THAT PROJECT AND THEN MAYBE DISCUSS SOME OF THESE TALKING POINTS WITH THEM WHILE THEY ARE YOU, ARE YOU ALL AWARE OF ANY OF THIS OR? I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND SOONER IS BETTER THAN LATER.
IT SOUNDS LIKE A LONG TIME, BUT IT'S NOT.
SO I CAN REACH OUT TO ADAM CAMPBELL WHO'S WITH THE STAND DISTRICT AND SEE IF THEY, IF IT'S NOT HIM, IF SOMEONE ELSE FROM B DOCK CAN COME
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IN AND SPEAK MM-HMMWELL, AND, AND I DON'T WANT, THERE'S OTHER MEMBERS HERE.
IS THIS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DIVING INTO? I, I DON'T FEEL ANYONE'S DISCUSSING IT, BUT I THINK IT HAS AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN, ESPECIALLY FROM POTENTIAL PAD SITES THERE ON REMOUNT ROAD.
WHEREAS IF, YOU KNOW A STRUCTURE, IF A A, AN EXIT IS COMING OFF OF, OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER OVER HAPPY CREEK ON RE MOUNTAIN, YOU'RE FACING THREE PAD SITES RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE NO BUSINESS.
AND I SEE THAT AND I SEE THE BUSINESSES WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER BEING AFFECTED BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, THERE ARE TIMES THAT I HAVE NO DESIRE TO GO INTO SHOPPING CENTER 'CAUSE THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND ALL YOU'RE SAYING.
SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT VDOT IS YOUR SUGGESTION OR VDO T'S SUGGESTION TO COME ACROSS HAPPY CREEK? NO, MY SUGGESTION IS TO NO ONE'S LOOKED AT THE OPTION OF POSSIBLY CROSSING OVER HAPPY CREEK BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO DUMP OUT, OR AT LEAST FROM WHAT I RECALL, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING BACK THERE BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S TUCKED IN WITH, WITH, UM, TOWN AND COUNTY OWNED STUFF, THERE'S GOING TO BE A ROAD THAT COMES OUT ONTO CRIER.
AND THAT'S GONNA CREATE A NIGHTMARE FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH HAS ALREADY GOT ITS OWN NIGHTMARE
I DON'T THINK THE ALTERATION OF SOUTH STREET HAS TAKEN INTO ANY OF THAT IN CONSIDERATION.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP TO THIS BODY TO SAY I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST INVESTIGATE IT A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, I THINK ANYTIME IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA CHOKE, YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT SHOULD FALL IN OUR, IN OUR INTERESTS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OR NOT.
JUST WHAT A BUSINESS, THERE'S 20 SOME BUSINESSES RIGHT THERE.
WELL, JUST GETTING THAT PERSON TO COME WILL SOLVE A HUGE PROBLEM IN MY ENTITY.
WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD AFTER THAT MAYBE.
NO, I THINK IT DEFINITELY SHOULD BE IN OUR THAT WAS LONG BEFORE ANYTHING WAS CONSIDERED TO BE DEVELOPED BEHIND RURAL CAMP.
SO THAT WAS BEFORE ALL OF THAT WHEN THEY WOULD'VE EVEN INITIATED THAT SMART SCALE PROJECT.
SO THE VARIABLE, I MEAN SMART SCALE, DID THAT COME OUT OF LIKE, SO TALK SOMEBODY DIES ON A ROAD? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD IS IT'S BECAUSE THERE WERE DEATHS ON SOUTH STREET THAT IT, THAT THAT'S NOT, THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A SMART SCALE OBJECT.
IT GOES INTO THE RATING FACTORS FOR SAFETY.
THAT'S PART OF THE EQUATION, BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A SMART SCALE.
THE RE THE REDO, THE ORIGINAL INTENT WITH THE REDO WAS BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN FATALITIES ON SOUTH STREET FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT, BUT I WAS LIKE, WHY IS THIS BEING ADDRESSED? THE TRAFFIC COUNT AT THAT INTERSECTION IN FRONT OF THE MCDONALD'S EXITING MARTINS IS, IS MASSIVE.
AND THIS WAS JUST A, A WAY TO RECONFIGURE THAT.
RECONFIGURATION SOMETIMES IS NOT THE BEST THING.
I MEAN THE RIVERTON INTERSECTION IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT, BUT I JUST, THIS IS IN TOWN.
EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTY PASSES THROUGH THAT AREA AT ONE POINT OR TIME OR ANOTHER.
ANYONE GOING TO THE DRIVE PATH THROUGH THERE, CORRECT? WELL, NOT ANYONE.
AND IF YOU, IF YOU FRONT RURAL KING AND GO STRAIGHT AHEAD WHERE THEY'VE GOT THEIR, THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR GARDENING STUFF ON THE RIGHT AND THEIR TRACTORS AND STUFF DISPLAYED ON THE LEFT, IT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF AN EXIT THAT JUST A BRIDGE OVER HAPPY CREEK EXITING ONTO REMOUNT ROAD AND NOW YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER INTERSECTION THERE.
I MEAN IT JUST, TO ME THAT'S THE EXEMPLIFY SAFETY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IT ISN'T SO MUCH WE WANNA REDIRECT TRAFFIC ON SOUTH STREET, WE WANNA GIVE 'EM TOTALLY OFF OF SOUTH STREET AND YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET, THE ONES THAT WANT TO GO LEFT CAN GO LEFT.
BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT MAY BE GOING AWAY.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I, I WOULD LOVE YOU DEFINITELY LEARN MORE.
PUT, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO LEARN THE FACTS.
WHAT'S THAT? THAT I'M RIGHT THERE AT YOUR BOWL ALLEY RIGHT THERE.
IF WE COULD LINE IT UP WITH THE BOWLING ALLEY
SO, BUT I, I DID WALK AND IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
THREE FIRST GAMES, BUT SOMETIMES WE DON'T DO WHAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET HIM ON THE AGENDA, BUT I'LL FIND OUT.
THANK YOU ALL FOR ENTERTAINING ME TO SAY THAT.
I THINK THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD.
SO IT'S GOOD ASSET DEVELOPMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANY RETAIL STRATEGY UPDATES? I DO.
SO I GOT A QUARTERLY UPDATE FROM THEM.
I'LL HAVE MORE DETAILS, BUT THIS IS JUST LIKE THE SUMMARY PAGE, UM, CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY'VE HAD ON OUR BEHALF.
UH, 15 CONVERSATIONS WITH QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANTS.
I'M GONNA SEND YOU THIS FIVE WITH FULL SERVICE RESTAURANTS, FIVE HOME GOODS AND FURNITURE
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STORES.FIVE CLOTHING AND GENERAL MERCHANDISE, THREE HOTELS AND LODGING, THREE PET SUPPLIES, THREE BEAUTY AND SALON SERVICES.
THREE GROCERY, TWO AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE, TWO DENTAL CARE, TWO FOOTWEAR, ONE FAST CASUAL RESTAURANT, AND ONE CRAFT AND HOBBY STORE.
SO THESE ARE ALL OPEN CONVERSATIONS THEY ARE HAVING WITH FOLKS IN THE RETAIL SPACE ON OUR BEHALF, SOME OF WHICH ARE FURTHER ALONG THAN OTHERS.
AND SO ARE WE IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF THAT CONTRACT OR? YES.
I BELIEVE WE ARE NOW IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF THAT CONTRACT.
SO IT'S, SO WE NEED TO BE VERY COGNIZANT YES.
OF THE OPT-OUT PERIOD, SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO EXERCISE? YEAH, I MEAN I LOVE, I LOVE THE CONVERSATIONS, BUT LET'S SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE CONFIDENTIALITY COMES INTO PLAY.
THAT WE DON'T GET TO SEE THE NAMES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SHARE THEM WITH YOU.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TRACK IF ANY OF THOSE BUSINESSES THAT THEY TALK TO END UP GOING TO THE CORRIDOR INSTEAD OF COMING INTO TOWN.
BECAUSE EVEN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD INDICATE THAT THIS INVESTMENT MIGHT NOT HAVE HELPED THE TOWN LIMIT SITUATION, BUT WE ALL LIVE IN THE COUNTY TOO.
IT HELPS THE COMMUNITY MARKET, NOT NECESSARILY THE TOWN.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST, I THINK THAT'S A VERY FAIR MESSAGE TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT KEEP ABSOLUTELY.
BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE SOME NATURAL TENDENCIES THAT SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES, ONCE THEY START LOOKING HARD AT OUR AREA, MAY END UP OUT THERE.
THEY'RE HAVING THAT, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE RUN INTO THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH FOLKS THAT, YOU KNOW, YES, FRONT ROYAL LOOKS GREAT.
WE WANNA BE RIGHT NEXT TO THE INTERSTATE
AND THEY'RE LIKE, NO, BUT COME IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, UM, SO SPEAKING OF SOUTH STREET, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN AREA THAT THEY'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON DEVELOPING BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A MAJOR CORRIDOR FOR US.
THERE'S A LOT OF CARS WHO GO RIGHT THROUGH THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
NOT TO MENTION OUR LEAD TRAFFIC AS, AS RICK TOUCHED ON.
SO, UM, YES, WE, I I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT METRIC FOR US TO KEEP IN HOUSE.
I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT AND I'M GLAD THEY'RE REVEALING THAT TO YOU.
I I TOTALLY GET WHY YOU CAN'T REVEAL IT.
AND THE FACT THAT WE CAN TRACK THAT YEP.
TO SEE THAT IF IN TWO OR THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE DOES OPEN UP OUT THERE.
IN A SIMILAR VEIN, IS THERE A PLAN TO, TO DISCLOSE, UH, PROGRESSION WITHOUT NAMING MEMES? CAN WE REQUEST THAT OR IS THERE PROBABLY I WOULD THINK SO.
'CAUSE LIKE THAT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE HAVING LIKE WHAT STATUS WE'RE AT.
IF THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ROADMAP AND WE CAN SAY, OH WE'RE IN THE THIRD STAGE, WE'RE WITH THESE, YOU KNOW, I THINK COMPANY X, Y AND ZI KNOW, YEAH.
WE HAD ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS.
I SHOULD HAVE DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE.
I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING AKIN TO THAT NEXT MONTH BAD FISHING TRIP.
I FEEL, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE YEAH, THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH THIS STUFF AND SURE.
BECAUSE THESE, BECAUSE THESE RETAIL BRANDS, THEY'RE VERY, VERY KEEN ON THAT.
AND IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT AN ENVIRONMENT THAT'S GONNA SUPPORT THEIR NEED FOR DISCRETION, THEN THEY BAIL.
SO IS OUR WATER AND SEWER RATE FOR COMMERCIAL USE IN TOWN CHEAPER THAN IT IS IN THE CORRIDOR? YEAH.
SO THEY SET UP A PILOT AGREEMENT SHOULD BE RIGHT.
THEY SET UP A SEPARATE PILOT WITH LEGAL, UM, PAYMENT IN LIEU OF INDUSTRIAL USERS IN THE CORRIDOR.
UM, NOT COMMERCIAL, BUT INDUSTRIAL.
WELL, I I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT, HEY MR. FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, RIGHT.
BECAUSE OF PILOT COME INTO TOWN AND HERE'S WHAT WE CAN ASSIST WITH.
IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH ECONOMIC IMPACT.
THEY MAY NOT CARE, BUT THEY MIGHT, THEY, I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHAT PILOT STANDS FOR.
SO YOU'LL MAKE SURE THAT RETAIL STRATEGIES KNOWS THAT.
AND DID THEY, SOME OF THE BIG GUYS, AND I MAY HAVE MISSED RIGHT? NO, THEY DON'T MISSED THIS IN A MEETING.
UM, THE LAST I REMEMBER THEY WERE, THERE WAS ALL THIS ENERGY GOING INTO THE CONVENTION IN LAS VEGAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
AND THEN, AND THERE WAS SORT OF LIKE A, OKAY, LET US KIND OF GATHER OUR OTHER, WAS THERE A FOLLOW UP ON THAT? I READ SHE READ IT IN ONE OTHER THAN THAT.
AND THERE, THERE WAS, LIKE I SAID, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT.
THIS WAS ACTUALLY MORE DETAILED THAN WHAT THEY GAVE.
THEY JUST SAID THEY MET WITH SOME ENTITIES AND SHE, YEAH, THEY TOLD US HOW MANY MEETINGS THEY HAD, BUT COULDN'T REALLY TELL US WHO OR WHAT.
SO AS FAR AS THE CONFIDENTIALITY THAT'S, THAT IS ON THEIR BEHALF THERE,
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OR THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FRONT ROYAL PEOPLE DID BEFORE THEY GAVE, SO THIS, THIS STUFF WE'RE, WE CAN'T KNOW WHO THESE MM-HMMWHY? WELL, SO ANYTIME THAT THEY'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS, UM, THIS IS INTERNAL, WE'LL USE THE, WE'LL USE WALMART.
THEY'RE NOT TALKING TO WALMART RIGHT NOW, BUT LET'S SAY THAT THEY WERE.
SO IF RETAIL STRATEGIES IS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THE PEOPLE AT WALMART WHO DECIDE WHERE NEW LOCATIONS GO, THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY'RE HAVING ON OUR BEHALF TO, TO MARKET US AS, AS AN APPEALING PLACE FOR THEM.
SO IN ORDER FOR THEM TO DO THAT, THEY, WALMART ISN'T READY IN THIS SCENARIO, IN THIS EXAMPLE, THAT DOESN'T REALLY EXIST.
PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING A RECORDING, UM, WALMART WOULDN'T BE READY TO COMMIT TO US YET.
NOT PUBLICLY AND FRANKLY AT THAT POINT, NOT EVEN PRIVATELY, BUT THEY MAY BE INTERESTED.
SO THEY'RE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
BUT BIG BOX STORE ISN'T INTERESTED IN GOING PUBLIC WITH THAT UNTIL THEY'RE READY TO SAY, YES, WE'RE COMMITTED TO HERE.
THE, IT'S THE, IT'S THE RETAILERS THAT AREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH BEING PUBLIC WITH THOSE DECISIONS YET IT'S NOT US AND IT'S NOT RETAIL STRATEGIES.
WE ARE PROTECTING THEIR ABILITY TO HAVE CON TO HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THOSE BRANDS BY KEEPING THE CONFIDENTIALITY THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, YEAH.
SO IT'S APPLIED ACROSS THE BOARD THOUGH? YES.
WHEN THE INFORMATION, WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO KNOW, WE'LL KNOW.
SO ALL THE INFORMATION WE GET FROM THEM IS JUST REDACTED, CONFIDENTIAL.
YOU DON'T ANY OF THE, ALL OF THE, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SHARE YES.
SHE HAS THE INFO SHARED WITH US.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF WONDERING.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS IT PUBLICLY.
IT HAS TO BE HELD IN CONFIDENTIALITY ON THEIR, ON THEIR BEHALF.
SO I COULD FIND, WE COULD FIND OUT JUST NOT IN THIS PUBLIC MEETING, WE COULD GO INTO CLOSED SESSION AND FIND OUT SOME OF THESE.
I, I DON'T, DON'T THINK I KNOW.
WELL THAT'S, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RULES ARE ON THAT.
UM, WE'D HAVE TO, I CAN FIND MORE RESEARCH.
I, I CAN RESEARCH THAT AND, AND BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO YOU.
I MEAN, I, I HONESTLY, I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ALL THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY FOR ANY OF IT RIGHT NOW TO, TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE DETAIL.
ONCE WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE AT A PHASE, YOU KNOW, PHASE THREE OF A, OF A RELATIONSHIP OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE MORE AND GO INTO A CLOSED CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE CAN BE HELPFUL.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT WE JUST HAVE TO PROTECT THEIR INTERESTS AS, I MEAN, AND IT PROTECTS US AS WELL, BECAUSE IF, IF WE'RE NEGATING THOSE CONFIDENCES, THEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA WORK WITH US.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME HERE, THEY'RE NOT, UM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO BE HERE.
SO WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
CAN WE CIRCULATE THE VE UH, EXECUTED CONTRACT FOR THIS? YEAH, JUST IN TERMS OF THE, COULD YOU PASS IT AROUND? I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT IN BOXES, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BOTH FOR THE RENEWAL FOR SOME OF, I HAVE AN UPDATE ON, I IT UP.
SO COUNSEL APPROVED THE CONTRACT ON OCTOBER OF 28TH, 2024.
AND IT, UH, THE PERIOD OF PERFORMANCE STARTS UPON THE FINAL SIGNATURE OF SAID CONTRACT, WHICH WAS DECEMBER 17TH, 2024.
AND IT WAS FOR A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE OPTION OF TWO ONE YEAR RENEWALS ON THE ANNIVERSARY DATE OF AGREEMENT OF BOTH PARTIES.
SO I GUESS WE NEED TO START TALKING IN THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO DECIDE IT'S WORTH RENEWING VERSUS NOT.
OR DO WE NEED TO, IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO WITH A LOT OF FIRE UNDER THEM OR TO GET WHATEVER WE'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GET THAT FROM THEM? MOST OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS TAKE WELL OVER 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS.
UM, I, I'VE BEEN IN THEM BEFORE WITH THE OVERALL POSITIVE SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, YOU GOTTA MAKE 'EM AWARE.
SECONDLY, THERE'S GOTTA BE RESEARCH DONE.
IT'S GOTTA BE PUT IN, YOU KNOW, VOTED ON BY A RESEARCH COMMITTEE.
IT'S HARD TO GET SOMEBODY TO DO A TURNAROUND IN 12
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MINUTES.THE KEY IS WERE WE SEEING ACTION, WERE WE SEEING, I MEAN, I'LL THROW THAT OUT THERE TO AT LEAST THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MY VISION WAS, SO.
SO LIZ, WHAT'S THE NEXT DELIVERABLE FROM THEM? WE ARE, SO WE HAVE THAT, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, ARE YOU, AND WE ASKED YOU TO MAYBE I'LL HAVE, I'LL HAVE SOME MORE DETAIL ON WHAT THE PHASES OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE.
UM, THAT WOULD BE MY DELIVERABLE TO YOU.
UM, FROM SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT I CAN GET FROM THEM.
UM, I'M NOT CERTAIN WHAT THE NEXT THING IS THAT THEY'RE EXPECTING TO DELIVER TO US MM-HMM
WELL, BUT I MEAN, YOU COULD JUST SAY, HEY, WE HAD A MEETING TODAY AND, AND THE BOARD IS ALREADY TALKING ABOUT RENEWALS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS FOR YOUR COMPANY OR DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING IS, WOULD YOU ALL WANT MAYBE THEM TO DO A CHECK IN WITH US DURING A MEETING? YEAH.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS IN SCOPE TOO.
THEY GIVE, I THINK THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THEM OR SOMETHING.
I THINK QUARTERLY, IF I REMEMBER IT CORRECTLY, WHICH IS WHY I WANNA SEE THE CONTRACT.
BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS.
ONE, YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAID WHEN WE SIGNED AND WHAT THEY EXPECT TO DELIVER AND WE CHECK THAT AGAINST WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
THE OTHER THING IS JUST MORE GENERALLY LOOKING AT INDUSTRY STANDARDS, WHICH TOM'S SPOKEN TO THAT LIKE, THESE DO TAKE A WHILE.
BUT OTHER FIRMS WOULD, NOT WHAT THEY'RE PROMISING, BUT LIKE, JUST I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE US THE MOST INFORMED, UM, WAY OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AS WE MOVE INTO THESE LAWS.
WELL YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA SEND THAT CONTRACT OUT FOR ALL OF US TO RE-REVIEW? YEAH.
ANY NEW BUSINESS, ANY OPEN DISCUSSION? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALL IN FAVOR? CITY FIVE SAY AYE.