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ALL RIGHT,[Board of Architectural Review on August 12, 2025.]
CALL THIS THING TO ORDER.UM, THIS IS THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
ALRIGHT, EVERYBODY HAVE CHANCE? LOOK OVER AT THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
IT'S A LONG TIME AGO, BUT YOU SEEM TO BE
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
HAVE NEW BUSINESS APPLICATION 3 5 9.
THIS IS FOR A 24 BY 36 GROUND MINUTES SIGN NEAR THE GAZEBO.
UM, AND UH, THIS IS THE COMMEMORATE DEDICATION OF GAZEBO FOR JOHN MARLOW.
YOU DON'T HAVE JOHN HERE TO DO ANY? HE IS IN CHARGE TONIGHT.
I'M IN CHARGE WHETHER HE WANTS TO BE OR NOT.
UM, WE DIDN'T DO A PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING.
IT'S, IT'S THE 24 BY THREE SIX GROUND MOUNT SIGN DOWN BY THE GAZEBO.
UH, LIZZIE DID THE APPLICATION, UM, AS, AS THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE RENDERINGS ARE AT THE END OF THE PACKET.
UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
SHE'S HERE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, BUT NOT A WHOLE LOT OF, A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION THERE TO, TO RECEIVE OR GO OVER OR DISCUSS, I DON'T THINK.
IS THAT THE SAME SIZE AS THE OTHER SIGN THAT'S IN THAT IDENTICAL? YEP.
UM, I EVEN CONTACT, IS IT OKAY IF I, YEAH.
UM, FOR THOSE OF Y'ALL THAT DON'T KNOW ME, I'M LINDSEY LEWIS, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TOUR AND DIRECTOR FOR THE TOWN AND FOR OUR PURPOSES, THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO I CONTACTED, I'M THE PERSON WHO WORKS WITH CIVIL WAR TRAILS, SO I REACHED OUT TO THEM AND THEY GAVE US ALL OF THEIR SPECS, INCLUDING THE PAINT COLOR AND EVERYTHING.
SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT AS CONSISTENT AS POSSIBLE.
PUBLIC WORKS, UM, ALREADY HAS THE BRICKS THAT ARE GONNA BE THE PAVERS THAT WILL MATCH.
SO IT'S JUST BE LIKE A SEMI EXTENSION OF THE SIDEWALK THAT'S ALREADY THERE IN THE CONCRETE APRON.
IT WILL BE AS SEAMLESS AS WE'RE USING THEIR SAME FONT SIZE AND EVERYTHING.
AND THAT POSITIONING ALLOWS YOU TO READ THE SIGNS, BUT ALSO VIEW THE GAZEBO AND ALL OF THAT CORNER AS A WHOLE.
SO IT, IT REALLY PUTS YOU IN A GOOD SPOT.
WHY WE PICK THE PHOTOS THAT WE DID, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALMOST FROM THAT EXACT SAME VANTAGE POINT HISTORICALLY.
HOPEFULLY WE TRY TO KEEP AS CONSISTENT WITH THE AESTHETICS AS POSSIBLE.
I HAVE NO ISSUES, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
I WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT.
Y'ALL WANNA TAKE THAT
HONEY, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY MINUTES TAKEN AT THE COUNCIL? UM, WHERE, WHERE THEY, THE WORK SESSION WHERE THEY THERE WILL BE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE PUBLISHED YET.
BUT THOSE WILL BE ON, I DON'T DO THAT MEETING, BUT THAT THAT'LL BE ON.
AND I'LL UM, I'LL EMAIL LAUREN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO GET A WORK SESSION ORGANIZED.
YOU NEED HIM WORK FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
YOU WANT SOME HELP WITH THAT? UM, I MEAN, I JUST GETTING WITH LAUREN IS MAIN THING AND THEN WE'VE GOTTA JUST REGROUP.
DOES SHE WORK HERE IN THIS BUILDING? DOWNSTAIRS? YEAH, DOWNSTAIRS.
HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER ERIN, YOU NEED DONE OR MESSAGES OR SETTING, SETTING SOME STUFF UP.
YOU'D LIKE TO VOLUNTEER FOR THAT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE STRUGGLING.
WELL, I'M JUST KIND OF SLAMMED AND I HAVE FOR WORK, I HAVE THREE, WELL USUALLY THREE DAYS, SOMETIMES FOUR DAYS A WEEK.
DURING THE WORK WEEK, I'M, I'M FREE TO HELP HER OUT, BUT AS THE CHAIR YOU HAVE TO CALL THE MEETING.
SO IF YOU WANNA TALK TO HER DIRECTLY.
EVEN IF IT'S JUST PUTTING TOGETHER BACKGROUND, WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
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I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, SO OUT OF THE LOOP ON WHAT WE WERE WORKING ON BEFORE WE HAD SOME KIND OF YEAH.WE MOMENTUM THERE FOR A MINUTE.
WINTER'S COMING, SO THAT'S GOOD.
MIGHT MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE TIME.
UM, YEAH, WE'VE JUST GOTTA BUCKLE DOWN ON SOME OF THESE THINGS.
LIKE WE'RE REVIEWING THE GUIDELINES IS THE BIGGEST THING.
AND THEN GETTING THIS, I DON'T WANNA LET THIS LANGUAGE THING WITH THE COUNCIL FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET BACK WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING.
UM, DO THEY EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO OR WAS IT JUST A HARD NOTE FOR WELL, UNTIL I SEE THE, I DIDN'T, I WASN'T AT THE MEETING SO UNTIL I SEE THE MINUTES, I, I HAVE NO IDEA THEY'RE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE SENDING IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
ARE THEY? I THOUGHT THEY JUST TABLED IT.
THEY DID NOT SEND IT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEY TABLED, THEY TABLED IT TO, TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER AT THE FIRST, FIRST WORK SESSION IN SEPTEMBER.
THE TOWN COUNCIL'S FIRST WORK SESSION IN SEPTEMBER, WHICH WILL BE OKAY.
I WAS THINKING IN THIS MAY TIME I'M GONNA GO BACK AND WATCH IT AGAIN.
AND MY INTENTION IS TO PUT MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER ABOUT, IN A NICE WAY ABOUT WHY WE WANT TO MAKE THIS CHANGE IN A NICE RESPECTFUL WAY.
WHY WE WANNA, WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT I MIGHT EVEN ATTACH TO MY EMAIL, THE LINK TO WARRENTON BACKLINES SO THEY CAN SEE THAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AROUND HERE HOLD TO THAT AND THAT TOWNS THAT ARE SERIOUS ABOUT A HISTORIC DISTRICT HAVE TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT IT OR IT DOESN'T WORK.
SO I, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO PUT ALL OF THOSE THOUGHTS TOGETHER.
AND IF YOU FIND A GOOD STANDS TOO.
IN DANVILLE DOWN THERE RUSHING.
REALLY DONE A WONDERFUL JOB THAT THEY'RE GONNA HOLD DOWNTOWN.
LIKE THAT PLACE IS INCREDIBLE.
BUT THEY DO HEAR FROM ME OFTEN.
SO ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON OUR BOARD THAT WOULD TAKE TIME TO SEND AN EMAIL AND SAY THIS IS WHY WE'RE ASKING THIS AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT AND THIS IS WHY THIS BOARD WAS CREATED.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF, IF OTHER PEOPLE HAD TIME TO, TO DO THAT, PRETTY VALUABLE.
WOULD YOU SHARE WHATEVER YOU'RE SENDING? SURE.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE ONE SHOULD FOLLOW FAIRLY SURE IT'S BAD BEHIND THE OTHER.
I THINK JUST BEFORE THEIR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS IN SEPTEMBER.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, I WILL PUT IT ON MY CALENDAR TO GO AND BE THERE AND ANSWER THE BEST THAT I CAN.
ANY QUESTIONS? I WOULD LOVE TO COME WITH YOU.
I AM AWAY OUT SEPTEMBER IN OCTOBER.
SO I HAD THIS SIDE GIG WITH A TRAVEL COMPANY
IT'S ROUGH SELLING TOWN SHARE
THEY HAVE ME IN SIX COUNTRIES IN MONT.
HELL DID I GET MYSELF INTO, OH WAIT, WITHOUT COMING HOME FOR THIS TRIP.
IS WINCHESTER NOT GREAT?
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, SO I WON'T BE AROUND.
BUT IF WE COULD SORT OF DO AN EMAIL THING BEFORE END OF AUGUST, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.
THERE'S NO PROBLEM YOU TWO COMMUNICATING TWO OF US.
AND CAN SOMEONE REMIND ME, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING, UH, AT THE WORK SESSION LAST NIGHT THAT UM, FOR A WORK SESSION FOR COUNCIL, IT WAS PERFECTLY OKAY FOR SOMEONE TO TEAMS OR ZOOM IN FOR THAT MEETING AND PARTICIPATE.
AMBER WAS NOT PRESENT PHYSICALLY.
AND I THINK THAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT BEFORE AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD FIND OUT YEAH.
'CAUSE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS TONIGHT YEAH.
REMEMBER CONNIE, I CHAIRED ONE ON ZOOM.
WELL WE DID PRE COVID, BUT TYPICALLY THAT'S, THAT WENT AWAY AFTER THE WHOLE COVID THING.
SO I I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT.
I MEAN THERE HAS TO BE SPECIFIC REASONS.
OH, YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE YOU'RE ON VACATION.
AND I THINK IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE, IN THIS CASE THE CHAIR.
BUT ALSO MY INTERPRETATION OF IT WAS YOU CAN PARTICIPATE BUT YOU CANNOT VOTE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE RULES ARE THE SAME EVERY NO IT IS.
IT WAS FOR HERE TWO, I COULDN'T VOTE.
WITH THE TIME THAT I HAD IN A WORK SESSION SITUATION.
THEY'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT VOTING ANYWAY.
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AS YOU SAID THAT, WHEN I THINK BACK TO THE ONE I CHAIR, WE COULDN'T VOTE HERE REMEMBER BECAUSE WE WEREN'T, I WASN'T, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT MUCH OF IT.BUT YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE THERE.
I WAS THE ONLY ONES ACTUALLY THERE DOWNSTAIRS.
BUT WE DO, IT IS, IT IS FRUSTRATING AND THEN IT TO NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S FRUSTRATING.
SO OUR GUIDELINES, WE DO STILL NEED TO BE WORKING ON THOSE IF, IF TOWN COUNCIL REALLY IS SERIOUS ABOUT PRESERVING OUR HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, WELL I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY FOR ANYBODY TO GO TO THE WORK SESSION ONGOING OR YOU COULD TALK IF THEY ALLOW IT.
I THINK THEY CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY DIDN'T ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE THEY STARTED.
SO, BUT I HAVE FOUND IT SOMETIMES TO BE BENEFICIAL IF YOU CAN TALK ONE-ON-ONE TO EACH ONE OF THEM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY IT'S IMPORTANT AND YEAH.
YOU CAN ALSO, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'LL GO TO PUBLIC HEARING, BUT LET'S SEE THE NEXT, WELL YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING.
AND BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BE THE 25TH OF AUGUST.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA DURING THE PUBLIC SPEAKER TIMES.
YOU COULD TALK THEN IF YOU WANTED TO.
YEAH, I THINK YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH THE THREE MINUTES, THEY CUT YOU OFF.
THEY TURN OFF THE MIC AND THE, WHEN IS IT? 25TH, SEVEN O'CLOCK AT THE GOVERNMENT OF AUGUST.
AND IF YOU HAVE A PREPARED STATEMENT, YOU DON'T FINISH IT IN THREE MINUTES.
I'LL GO AND HAVE A LITTLE MINUTE.
YOUR FILIBUSTER RIGHT, YOU GOT 12 MINUTES BETWEEN THE FOUR OF YOU.
SO BEFORE THE 25TH, YOU THINK YOU GUYS CAN CRAFT UP SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PITCH FOR THEM.
AND IF FOR ANY REASON IT WOULD BE ON THEIR AGENDA, WHICH IT SHOULDN'T, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL TRY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.
BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE IF THEY HAD TABLED IT LAST ONE RIGHT AT THE WORK SESSION, THEY TABLED IT.
SO TO REMEMBER THE WORK SESSION.
BUT THE SEPTEMBER WORK SESSION, RIGHT? THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT LAST NIGHT? NO, NO, SEPTEMBER.
AND I'M GONNA EMAIL, I'LL GET WITH LAUREN ABOUT FOLKS SETTING UP MY WORK SESSION.
AND IS THERE, UM, UH, ANY UPDATE AT ALL ON ANY OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE TAKEN ACTION ON MR. LAUNDROMAT OWNER IN THE YELLOW HOUSE WITH THE VINYL WINDOWS THAT WE SAID HAD TO COME OUT? YEAH, I, I KNOW OF NOTHING.
SO TYPICALLY THAT'S A, UH, ZONING THAT FOLLOWS UP ON THAT WHEN THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION MADE OR NOT.
IT'S, IT'S UNDER THE ONLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN FOLLOW UP ON IT I SHOULD ASK.
OR AS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR JOHN AS THE DEPUTY.
I THINK WAS THE UM, SHELLY'S VINYL WINDOW ON THE FRONT OF POPPY PLACE.
WE ASKED THAT TO BE REMOVED AND WOOD PUT BACK AND I KNOW THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE AND I KNOW MR. LAUNDROMAT NO LONGER HAS NOT BEEN DONE AND THAT DONE AND THEN WE'RE STILL SPINNING AROUND WITH FATHER LEO AND HIS FENCE THAT JUST CONTINUES TO FALL DOWN.
YEAH, SHE MET WITH THE TOWN MANAGER ABOUT THAT ONE.
HE'S IN AGREEMENT THAT HE DOESN'T THINK WE HAVE GROUNDS TO GO ACROSS THE STREET.
THE TOWN MANAGER OR THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
THE TOWN MANAGER AND SAID TO PUT IT TO BED AND WE'LL LEARN FROM IT.
I THINK I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY AND ANNOY THIS GUY INTO COMPLIANCE.
BUT SAME TIME ORDERS ARE ORDERS.
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PLANNING BOARD MADE A RULING ON IT AND HE DOESN'T COMPLY AND THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, DOESN'T THAT JUST SET UP THE NEXT PERSON TO NOT YEP, IT DOES THE MM-HMMCONCERN IS HIS APPROVAL SAYS LIGHT FOR LIGHT, SAME OR SIMILAR.
OH, DOESN'T SAY LIGHT FOR LIGHT.
SO HE TOOK DOWN A VINYL, HE TOOK DOWN A THREE FOOT WOODEN PICKET FENCE THAT WAS WHITE AND PUT UP A THREE FOOT VINYL.
IT DOESN'T SAY WOOD IN HIS APPROVAL.
IF YOU TOOK IT TO THE MAGISTRATE AND TO THE COURTHOUSE, THE LANGUAGE, THE LANGUAGE WOULD, WOULD NOT GET GOING.
BUT I DON'T WANT, I JUST, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT HIM TO KNOW THAT.
I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE TO ANNOY HIM IN THE COMPLIANCE AND THE BIO FENCE IS FALLING DOWN.
DO WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS DOG? THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW.
IT JUST NEVER WOULD STAY IN THE YARD AND RAN LOOSE AND THEN IT'S GONE.
WELL IT'D BE GREAT CONNIE, IF THE NEXT TIME WE MEET WE COULD HAVE AN UPDATE ON AT LEAST THOSE THREE THINGS.
IT'S PRONOUNCED WONG INSTEAD OF BANK.
YEAH, BECAUSE THOSE, YES, ALL THOSE WINDOWS ARE STILL IN, IN PLACE THERE.
I WAS LOOKING AT THEM ON FRIDAY AND I THOUGHT SHE WAS GONNA FOLLOW UP AND EMAIL YOU ALL UPDATES.
AND THEN YOU ALL PROVED THE RENOVATIONS FOR BEHIND POPPY'S.
BUT I DON'T THINK SHE'S GONNA DO THE PIZZA BUSINESS.
IT'S A PROBLEM WITH, UH, THE COUNTY
OH DOES SHE? SO SHE'S NOT GONNA CONVERT THE YEAH, AT LEAST NOT IMMEDIATELY.
YEAH, NO, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE COUNTY.
THERE WAS ANOTHER PROPERTY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I FELT LIKE I HAD SOME MOVEMENT ON IT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER, WAS IT THE N'S GARAGE?
THAT'S LIKE GOOD PLACE OVER CHARLESBURG.
I'M LIKE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT PLACE FOR STEALING? YEAH.
AND THEY HAVE OLD HISTORIC CARS IN THERE.
YEAH, THEY ARE NOW MOVING TO CHARLESBURG.
THAT RIGHT BEFORE YOU CREEP INTO CHARLESBURG ON THE LIST.
ANYTHING ELSE AT THE MOMENT? NO.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.