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SPRAY.[Planning and Zoning Work Session on August 6, 2025.]
BE HONOR SIXTH MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION OF ROYAL.MS. POTTER, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN MARNER.
COMMISSIONER FEDERICA PRESENT.
FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A ZONING TAX AMENDMENT, THE TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH THREE DEFINITIONS TO REDEFINE THE DEFINITION OF OVERHANGING AS IT PERTAINS TO ANY PROJECTION, EITHER ROOF, BAY WINDOW OR SIMILAR.
CAN EVERY CONSTRUCTION, WHICH EXTENDS BEYOND THE FOUNDATION OF A STRUCTURE.
DO WE HAVE ANY REPORTS FROM STAFF ON THIS? YES.
IT'S A, A TAX AMENDMENT TO 1 75 DASH THREE.
SO THAT'S OUR DEFINITION SECTION.
AND RIGHT NOW OUR DEFINITION IS THAT IT, AN OVERHANG IS DEFINED AS ANY PROJECTION, EITHER ROOF, BAY WINDOW OR SIMILAR CANTILEVER CONSTRUCTION, WHICH EXTENDS BEYOND THE FOUNDATION OF THE STRUCTURE.
THEN IT HAS THE STANDARDS OF IT.
NO CONSTRUCTION, UH, SHALL PROJECT INTO ANY REQUIRED YARD MORE THAN THREE FEET.
NO SUCH PROJECTION SHALL HAVE VERTICAL SURFACE WHOSE AREA IS MORE THAN 25% OF THE AREA OBTAINED.
BY MULTIPLYING THE MEAN HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE BY THE LENGTH OF THE STRUCTURE ALONG THE YARD, WHICH IS VIOLATED, AN OVERHANG SHALL BE INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION OF LAW COVERAGE OR DEFINITION.
UM, THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS THAT IT WOULD JUST BE SIMPLIFIED TO, UM, AN OVERHANG IS PART OF ROOFER WALL THAT EXTENDS BEYOND THE FACADE OF A LOWER WALL.
SO WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE MAKING SURE EVERYTHING RESPECTS THE SIDE YARD, THE REAR YARD, THE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE YARDS.
BUT THAT, UM, ANYTHING RELATED TO BUILDING AND THE STABILITY OF THE STRUCTURE IS GONNA BE HANDLED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UM, THIS DEFINITION JUST APPEARS TO BE VERY LIMITED.
UM, AND SIMPLIFYING IT WILL JUST MAKE IT EASIER FOR STAFF TO WORK THROUGH APPLICATIONS WHERE IT OVERHANGS MAY PRECLUDE CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT OR HOME.
ANY QUESTION? EXPAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHAT YOU BY IT'S LIMITING IN FORM.
SO IF THE, UM, SAY YOU HAVE LIKE A, A DUPLEX ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT? AND THE UPPER LEVEL EXTEND, OR THERE'S AN OVERHANG THAT'S CANTILEVERED.
SO IT'S BEYOND THE FOUNDATION, BUT IT'S THE SECOND LEVEL AND IT, IT PROJECTS INTO A REAR YARD SETBACK.
WE PERMIT IT RIGHT NOW TO EXTEND INTO A PORTION OF IT, BUT THERE'S A D THERE'S A CALCULATION INVOLVED WITH IT.
SO WHAT THAT DOES IS IT MEANS THAT SOME OF THESE, LIKE IN IN THE INSTANCE LIKE THE DUPLEXES, THEY DON'T FIT A LOT.
UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING THINGS LIKE THAT TO FIT.
IT JUST APPEARS AS THOUGH WE SIMPLIFY THIS DEFINITION.
SO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT REGULATES THE SPECIFICS OF THE OVERHANG.
SO, SO THE, UH, THE, THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOUSE IS WHAT IS MEASURED FOR THE SETBACK.
BUT WHEN THERE'S AN OVERHANG, THEN IT STARTS BRINGING OTHER CALCULATIONS INTO IT.
AND SO WITH, WITH YOUR NEW DEFINITION, YOU SIMPLIFIED DEFINITION, IT'S JUST SIMPLIFIED SO THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE FOUNDATION.
WE JUST LOOK AT THE FOUNDATION.
AND THEN THE STABILITY OF THE STRUCTURE, WHETHER OR NOT THAT OVERHANG IS TOO FAR FROM THE FOUNDATION, THAT WOULD BE REGULATED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UH, IN THE ORIGINAL WORDING OF THE DEFINITION, UM, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DESCRIBE IT ALL, WHY IT WAS WRITTEN LIKE THIS? BECAUSE I, TO, TO TAKE AWAY SOMETHING THAT IS A LIMITATION, I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY THE LIMITATION WAS THERE.
ARE IS, IS, ARE THERE LIMITATIONS ASIDE FROM JUST WHAT'S ON THE, UH, LIKE FOR THE STABILITY OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, ARE THERE LIMITATIONS ELSEWHERE IN CODE THAT SOMEONE BUILDING AN OVERHANG WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW?
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IT HELPS.THE NEW DEFINITION IS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE STANDARDS BOOK.
I DID LOOK TO SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE WERE DOING AND THEY WERE USING THAT AS VERY SIMILAR.
BUT TRY TO DRAW A PICTURE USING THAT DEFINITION TOO.
I, I GET WANTING TO, TO SIMPLIFY IT, UH, IS I, I I WONDER IF BY LOOSENING IT, THERE'S, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE MAY INTRODUCE AS A POTENTIAL ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD.
AND THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL HAVE SOME, I THINK ANYTHING BEYOND THREE FEET, YOU'RE GONNA NEED ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING TO SUPPORT THAT STRUCTURE.
SO AT THAT POINT, OR OPENING UP.
BUT IF WE'RE ONLY MEASURING THE SETBACK FROM THE FOUNDATION NOW AND NOT FROM THE OVERHANG, THEN YES, YOU MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING THAT GOES INTO THE BUILDING, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE, IT'S, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A LOOPHOLE TO GET AROUND THE SETBACK BECAUSE YOU JUST MAKE YOUR SECOND FLOOR STICK OUT THAT MUCH FURTHER.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING.
IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO PROTECT THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CODE PERHAPS, UH, SO THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO THAT ISSUE, UH, WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.
WOULD THERE BE SOME, SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE CODE WHERE, I MEAN, AT THAT POINT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT INCREASING THE, LIKE BASICALLY YOUR REAR YARD SETBACKS, THEN YOU HAVE TO GET INTO FORMULAS.
UM, IT ALSO SAID THAT IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES THE EXISTING DEFINITION CONTRADICTS THE, THE COUNTY REQUIREMENTS JUST, UM, UM, THE RIGHT PRICE.
BUT THE COUNT, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S GONNA REGULATE THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE.
LIKE HOW IT'S, HOW IT'S BUILT.
SO DO WE HAVE A COMMENTS, DISCUSSIONS? I'M NOT SURE WE AGE YOUR CONCERN YET.
THAT'S WHAT, NOT, THAT'S WHY CONCERNS.
YEAH, I HAVE THE, THE EXACT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING TOO.
IT FEELS LIKE IT'S, UH, IT'S A NICE LOOP LOOPHOLE THAT PEOPLE BE TAKE, BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT IF YOU DON'T SEE THAT AS A POSSIBILITY.
PART OF ME IS JUST THINKING THAT'S A BIG SHIFT.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA CAUSE PROBLEMS TO TAKE IT TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
THINK ABOUT, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT WOULD BE, SO, SO YOU GET, WE ALREADY HAVE TOWNHOUSES WHERE THE SECOND FLOOR JETS OUT OVER THE FIRST FLOOR, THEY ADD, ADDS A CERTAIN CHARM TO THE SUBDIVISION.
'CAUSE YOU STILL HAVE THE, YOU STILL HAVE THE WHAT? 10 FOOT, 12 FOOT SETBACK ON THE REAR OF THE HOUSE AND 10 FOOT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S NOT LIKE HAVING A THREE FOOT EXTENSION EXCEPT FLOOR IS GONNA
THAT'S ONLY IF IT'S THREE FEET.
BY CHANGING THIS DEFINITION, THEY CAN MAKE IT FIVE FEET, 10 FEET, WHATEVER THEY WANTED.
AS LONG AS THE STRUCTURE, THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING IS THE DAMAGE.
NOW GRANTED, NO ONE'S REALLY GONNA DO 10 FEET.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS.
BUT, UM, IT COULD EASILY GO OUT FURTHER THAN THAT.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN HOMES WHERE THE SECOND FLOOR COMES OUT AN ADDITIONAL SIX FEET.
UM, AND THAT BOTTOM AREA THEN BECOMES A COVERED PATIO, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT IF WE'RE MEASURING THE SETBACK FROM HERE, FROM THIS SPOT, AND REALLY IT'S OUT HERE.
UM, I JUST, I, I WONDER WITH SOME, WITH A CHANGE LIKE THIS, UH, WOULD WE CONSIDER, UH, MODIFYING HOW SETBACKS ARE MEASURED SO THAT IT'S INCLUSIVE OF AT LEAST SOME PORTION OF AN OVERHANG? DO WE GET INTO HOW WE DEFINE SETBACKS ELSEWHERE?
JUST, JUST FOR, JUST FOR REFERENCE, COULD IT BE SOMETHING LIKE IT WON'T PROJECT MORE THAN THREE FEET AND THEN IT JUST STOPS THERE INSTEAD OF ALL THE OTHER STUFF? YOU MEAN STOP IT AT MORE THAN THREE FEET? YEAH.
OR FOUR FEET OR WHATEVER OUT OR, AND THE NEW DEFINITION, JUST SAY THE PART OF A ROOFER WALL EXTEND BEYOND THE F SIDE OF A LOWER WALL, UH, IS THE DEFINITION.
UH, OTHER THINGS IN EXCESS OF X NUMBER OF FEET SHOWN BE REMOVED.
IF YOU LIMIT IT AT THREE FEET AND THEN GET RID OF THE REST OF IT, YOU'RE, UM, YOU'LL STILL PROTECT THE SETBACKS WITHOUT, LIKE, YOU ESSENTIALLY WILL CREATE THIS
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LOOPHOLE THAT YOU'RE ABOUT.TIME TO DEVIL'S ADVOCATE MYSELF, IS A PURPOSE FOR HAVING MORE THAN THREE FEET.
THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE IN SUCH A WAY THAT REPEAT WOULD BE OVERLY LIMITING.
WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE FREQUENT RIGHT, YOU PROBABLY
BUT, UM, AND LIKE IF IT'S THE BATHROOM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DARE GO UP.
WOULD THAT COMPLICATE MATTERS FOR STAFF? THE COMPLICATED PART, WHEN BUILDERS ARE COMING TO US AND THEY'RE DISCUSSING SPECIFIC PLANS ON SPECIFIC SITES, THAT TYPE OF THING, IT'S WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE 25% OF THE MEAN HEIGHT, THEN DIFFERENT ROOF TYPES DETERMINE THE MEAN HEIGHT.
SO IF IT'S A GABLE ROOF, THE MEAN HEIGHT IN ONE PLACE, IF IT'S A DAM ROOF, IT'S ANOTHER PLACE.
AND THEN IF YOU'VE GOT TOWNHOMES WITH DIFFERENT ROOF PITCHES, RIGHT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST MORE COMPLICATED.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN'T DO THE CALCULATION.
NO KILLER HERE IS THE OVERHANG SHALL BE INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION LOCK COVERAGE.
IS THAT REALLY WHAT THAT ONE LINE? I I, I MEAN THAT'S ONE THAT I THINK WOULD BE WORTH KEEPING, BUT WE, IT WOULD BE UNCOMMON.
SO FROM OTHER, WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO THAT, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
WELL, IN TERMS OF THEIR, UH, DEFINITION ON THAT, I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED INTO THAT THIS SPECIFIC PORTION MORE MYSELF.
BUT, UH, IN WHAT YOU LOOKED AT, UM, OUTSIDE OF THEIR DEFINITIONS, DO YOU KNOW IF, UM, OVERHANGS ARE TYPICALLY COUNTED WHEN IT COMES TO LAW COVERAGE? I, I'LL, I'LL SAY NO, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYWHERE.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T RESEARCH IT TO THAT EXTENT.
BUT I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE THE WARREN COUNTY ONE WHERE IT'S NOT INCLUDED EXCEPT FOUR.
BUT, SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THE FOUR, BUT AGAIN, I DIDN'T DO AN EXPANSIVE SEARCH.
I DON'T THINK I WROTE THAT, THAT DEFINITION.
ARE YOU SAYING, LAUREN, THAT IF WE ENDED THE, THE FIRST SENTENCE, UM, OF THE EXISTING, UH, END OF THE FIRST SENTENCE OF STRUCTURE, PERHAPS PUTTING IN THREE FEET OR FOUR FEET OR WHATEVER THAT, THAT, AND THEN DELETED THESE SECOND AND THIRD LONG AND COMPLICATED SENTENCE, BUT THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU AND THAT WOULD BE EASIER.
UM, AND I'M, THE MORE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, IT, I THINK THE 25% PORTION IS TO BASICALLY KEEP THESE AT THE SECOND LEVEL.
SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE IT EXTENDING ON THE FIRST LEVEL TOO FAR OVER THE FOUNDATION.
THIS IS, UM, AND ANY DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE TALKED, ANY, ANY BUILDERS THAT WE'VE TALKED TO? I DON'T EITHER.
I, THE WAY THEY DEFINE IT IS, UM, SO, SO WHAT I MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU.
AND THE EXISTING, THE ARCHITECTURAL PROJECTIONS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
SO THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF, NOT TO SAY THEY USED A DIFFERENT TERM ARCHITECTURAL PROJECTIONS.
A FEATURES SUCH AS CON UM, CONES MEANS PAGE WINDOWS AREN'T READY.
OR OTHER ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT DO NOT TOUCH THE GROUND AND HAVE NO SUPPORTING MEMBERS TOUCHING THE GROUND WITHIN A YARD MAY PROJECT UP TO FOUR FEET IN REQUIRED YARD.
SO, SO THESE SITE THAT'S, UM, 180 DASH 12 B6 A AND DID THEY SAY STATE IN THERE THAT IT DID NOT GO TOWARDS THE LOCK COVERAGE, THE EARLIER DEFINITION AND ANOTHER PLACE IN THERE? IT DID.
I CAN, I CAN SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT AGAIN.
WELL LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY IF WE HAVE TWO CHOICES, EITHER WE, UM, PUT IT OFF FOR ANOTHER WORKS SESSION.
OR WOULD, WOULD YOU BE HAPPY TO BE HAPPY WITH, UM, MODIFYING THE, THE PROPOSED CHANGE SO THAT AT THE END OF THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE EXISTING ONE, SOMETHING WAS PUT IN ABOUT THE THREE FEET AND THEN THAT WAS HANDED, UM, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK THEN IF, UH, TAKING THE SIMPLIFIED ONE,
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A PART OF A ROOFER WALL THAT EXTENDS BEYOND THE FACADE OF A LOWER WALL NO SUCH CONSTRUCTION SUB SUB REJECT, UH, INTO A PROJECT MORE THAN THREE FEET AND AN OVERHANG SHALL BE INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION OF BLOCK COVERAGE? UH, WHAT, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK OF THAT? HOW, YEAH.DO YOU NEED TO SAY IT AGAIN? IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO GOING WITH FOUR FEET COUNTY? DON'T THINK FOR THE SAKE OF CONSISTENCY, IF A DIFFERENT WELL, WE'RE NOT CONSISTENT BECAUSE THEY DON'T, WARREN COUNTY DOESN'T CALCULATE IT IN THERE.
SO IF WE IT CONSENSUS IS TO CAL CONCLUDE THE CALCULATION.
IT UM, I GUESS I, I'D GO WITH, I I THINK KEEPING AT GREAT FEET IS, IS FINE.
THAT'S OUR DIRECTION TO STAFF.
I APPRECIATE THAT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THIS IS ANOTHER ZONING TAX AMENDMENT, UH, 2 5 0 0 3 1 9 FOR THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE AND GOOD ZONING PRACTICE ZONING, TAX AMENDMENT TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH THREE DEFINITIONS TO DEFINE THE USE OF AN AUXILIARY DWELLING UNIT TO AMEND THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN WHICH IT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY.
AND TO ESTABLISH 1 75 DASH ONE 15 BUILDING UNIT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WITHIN THE SUPPLEMENTARY PROVISION OF JOHN CODE.
CAN YOU GET HIS PRESENTATION? YES.
I'LL START TALKING SO WE DON'T LOOK, GET THROUGH.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT A LONG NIGHT ANYWAY.
UM, OH, I DON'T KNOW EVEN KNOW HOW TO USE THIS BEFORE I DO.
JUST PUSH THAT BUTTON ADVANCE.
AS SOON AS, AS SOON AS IT COMES UP ON ANY, ANYWAY, UH, UM, THIS CAME OUT THE STUDIES WE WERE DOING EARLIER AS WELL AS DIFFERENT MEETINGS.
AND IT'S IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, UM, THE FUTURE INCORPORATING AUX OF DWELLING UNITS IN THE TOWN IN LETTER AND IN SPIRIT WHERE IT STARTS TALKING ABOUT SUPPLEMENTAL HOUSING FOR SENIORS AND SO ON.
SO WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALL THIS, THIS WAS A LOGICAL EXTENSION TO GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE THIS.
AND SOON AS THAT COMES UP, LET'S SEE.
AND THIS IS, AND THE, THIS WILL, THE GOAL HERE IS TO PROVIDE MORE HOUSING UNITS FOR OUR UNDER SUPPLY OF HOUSING UNITS.
SO ADUS ARE FOUND ALL OVER THE STATE IN THE COUNTRY, UM, AND TO A DEGREE THEY'RE ALLOWED IN THE FRONT RAIL COAT NOW ON LARGE LOTS, ONLY EXTERNAL AND, AND WITH, UM, LESSER REQUIREMENTS, UH, SURROUNDING THEM.
SO THIS PROPOSAL SEEKS TO EXPAND THE USE OF ADUS TO USE A FLEXIBLE INTERIOR OR EXTERIOR POSSIBILITY BASED ON FORMULA THAT WILL MAXIMIZE UTILITY AND STILL PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS LOOK AND FEEL IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
UM, SO LOOK AT THE CHART ITSELF A LITTLE BIT.
THEY'RE ALSO KNOWN AS IN-LAW SUITES, BACKYARD COTTAGES, AND OF COURSE, MY FAVORITE GRANNY FLAT USE A SMALL INDEPENDENT STRUCTURES BUILT ON THE SAME LOT AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OR PRESCRIBED PERCENTAGE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE WITHIN SQUARE FOOTAGE WITHIN THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
UM, AND SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT PAGE TOGETHER AND WHY WE SHOULD DO THIS IS, UM, IT EXPANDS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH THE, UM, WITHIN FRONT ROW AS WELL AS ANY OTHER LOCALE.
UH, IN THIS CASE, ZONING CAN HELP ENABLE BOTH ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL CHANGE WITHIN THE TOWN, UH, AS, AS WE'LL GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE CHARTS.
UH, ADUS EXPAND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I MENTIONED, UH, THE HOMEOWNER MAINTAINS THESE, NOT THE TAXPAYER.
UH, ADUS ARE, ARE HELPING MEET THE DEMAND OF SMALLER AND MORE AFFORDABLE HOMES FOR SENIORS.
YOUNG WORKERS AND SMALL FAMILIES PROVIDE THE LOWER COSTS WITHOUT THE NEED FOR TAXPAYER FUNDED HOUSING PROJECTS.
AND IT'S ALSO CHEAPER FOR THE, IN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE TOWN IF YOU HAVE A SHARED SOURCE OF STEEL AND SO ON.
UH, SUPPORTS THE LOCAL FAMILIES FOR AGING IN PLACE, ALLOWS INDIVIDUALS TO REMAIN IN A HOME OR WITH FAMILY INSTEAD OF MOVING INTO FULL-TIME INSTITUTIONAL CARE.
LESS INSPECT, LESS EXPENSIVE THAN NURSING HOMES AND FINANCIAL BURDENS IN FAMILY AND PUBLIC HEALTH.
UH, ENCOURAGES AUTONOMY AND DIGNITY FOR PARTICIPANTS AND, UH, AND FLEXIBILITY FOR MULTI-GENERATIONAL LIVING.
CAREGIVERS ARE REALLY TURNING COLLEGE KIDS AND ALSO, UM, RUNS INTO WHERE YOU WANT TO GET FOR THE, THE FAMILY HOME.
UM, YOU HAVE AN AD ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
YOU, YOU'RE NOW SINGLE, WHATEVER THE CASE BE.
THE KIDS ARE GROWN, THEY CAN MOVE INTO THE MAIN HOUSE.
YOU CAN MOVE INTO THE SMALL SUITE OR BUY THE SAME EXTENSION.
YOU CAN MOVE THERE AND RENT OUT THE OTHER PORTION.
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THE MAIN PORTION OF THE HOUSE.THE CAVEAT BEING, IT MUST BE OWNER OCCUPIED IN ONE OF THE TWO UNITS TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF, SO THEY'RE NOT TURNING INTO TWO RENTAL UNITS.
WELL, IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED IN ONE.
THAT MUST STOP THEM RUNNING OUT THE OTHER.
THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY CAN DO.
IT STILL HAS TO REMAIN, THE OWNER HAS TO REMAIN ON A SITE AND, AND THAT'S PART OF HELPING PEOPLE FINANCIALLY STAY IN THEIR HOMES.
UM, GOING, LET'S SEE, SMART GROWTH, NOT SPRAWL.
THE EFFORTS TO BOTH THE SOCIO AND ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO HOMEOWNERS FAMILIES IN THE TOWN.
I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A NICE WORD.
ANYWAY, WITHOUT CHANGING NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, WHEN I SAY NOT CHANGING NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTERS, KEEP IN MIND ALL HAS TO FIT IN THE EXISTING SETBACKS OF THE HOUSE.
NOT, NOT LIKE IT'S A SHED WHERE IT CAN BE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, FIVE FEET OF THE LINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HAS TO SIT WITH THE SAME SETBACKS WITH HOME.
AND YOU CAN OCCUPY NO MORE SPACE THAN THAT MAXIMUM SPACE THE HOME COULD.
SO IF THE BIGGEST HOUSE YOU COULD BUILD ON THE LOT WAS 2000 SQUARE FEET AND YOU HAVE 1,950 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, YOU ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT AN A DU OUTSIDE.
IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE INTERNAL IF YOU DO ANYTHING NOW.
SO IT ENCOURAGES THE INFILL HOUSING AND USES EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
UH, SEE, I UNDERSTAND MORE, I KIND OF TALK TO HEAD A BIT.
ENHANCES PROPERTY RIGHTS, MORE CHOICE AND HOW TO USE A PROPERTY AND HELPS.
UM, AS WE MENTIONED, PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR HOMES BY GENERATING RENTAL INCOME.
THE RULES ARE TAILORED TO DISCOURAGE ABUSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, PROTECTING NEIGHBORHOODS, PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF RESIDENTS, PROS, PRIMARY HOUSEHOLDS AND AUXILIARY OCCUPANTS.
CAN YOU GIVE US ANOTHER SCREEN? DID I NOT GO FAR ENOUGH? YES, I'M SORRY.
UH, AS I SAY, THEY HAVE TO BE LOCATED ON THE SAME LAWS AS SINGLE, SINGLE DWELLING.
UH, THE PROPERTY MUST BE OWNER OCCUPIED INTERNAL, A DU CANNOT EXCEED 33% OF THE FLOOR AREA OF THE MAIN SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, OR 500 SQUARE FEET IS, WHICH EITHER IS GREATER FOR THE DETACHED, IT CAN'T EXCEED A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR 80% OF THE GROSS FLOOR AREA OR THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING, WHICHEVER IS LESS.
THE IDEA IS NOT TO, UM, UH, ABUSE THE, THE PROCESS.
IT, IT, IT, IT'S AN AUXILIARY HOUSE, SO TO SPEAK, FOR, IT'S NOT MEANT TO HAVE TWO TWO MANSIONS ON A LOT PER SE.
SO IT KEEPS IT IN A PERCENTAGE.
SO THERE'S NO SLUM OR WHERE SOMEONE'S GONNA CONVERT THEIR 300 FOOT SQUARE FOOT GARAGE INTO AN A DU THAT'S JUST NOT GONNA WORK.
OR BY THE SAME TOKEN STICK UP, UM, A SHED OUT BACK THAT PICK UP ON THE CORNER.
THAT'S, UM, AGAIN, CUT LINE IS SQUARE FEET AND TRY TO TURN THAT A DU IT HAS TO MEET ALL THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS OF A HOUSE, IF IT'S EXTERNAL AND WITHIN INTERNAL, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE ENTRANCES, KITCHEN, UM, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, BATHROOMS OF COURSE.
AND, AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO MEET ALL THE STANDARD CODES AND FIRE CODES AND SO ON.
DWAYNE MUST FOLLOW THE UNDERLYING CODE SET MAX LOCK COVERAGE APPEARANCE.
UH, AND DETACHED, A DU SHALL I EXCEED THE MAXIMUM LOCK SQUARE FOOT COVERAGE ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT OF THE A DU IS LOCATED.
AND I KIND OF MENTIONED THAT BEFORE.
NOW I HAVE ONE THING ON HERE I'M GONNA TAKE OFF, UM, THAT WE, IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT ONE ADDITIONAL OFF STREET PARKING, GIVEN THE RECENT, UM, UH, THINGS BEING PUT THROUGH THE TOWN COUNCIL.
THERE'S NOT AN APPETITE TO HAVE PARKING, ADDITIONAL PARKING PUT IN.
IT'S BEEN INJECTED ON THREE DIFFERENT THINGS NOW.
SO I RATHER THAN HAVE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT ON STREET PARKING, I JUST WANT TO REMOVE THAT FROM THIS.
IT WAS TOO LATE TO REMOVE IT AS WE GOT INTO HERE.
AND GRANNY MIGHT NOT EVEN DRIVE ANYHOW.
I MEAN, BY THE TIME HE MOVED MY GRANDPARENT, MY GRANDFATHER INTO MY FOLKS' PLACE, HE WAS DEFINITELY NOT DRIVING.
SO IT, IT WAS COMING UP WITH FORMULA.
UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, A REGULAR HOUSE, IT SAYS, HAS TO HAVE TWO SPACES.
NOW IT'S 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE OR 5,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.
IT'S STILL TWO SPACE I TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER PARKING FORMULA FOR AN A DU.
SO ONE WAS SOMEWHAT ARBITRARY IN THAT BECAUSE IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, BUT HOW MUCH? SO GETTING RID OF IT, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, STREAMLINE AGAIN, WHY I STREAMLINE IT AND WHY THE BIGGER ISSUE IS GETTING, GIVE JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT AN A U WOULD LOOK LIKE IN AN R ONE LOT.
AND KEEP IN MIND, NOT ALL LOTS CAN FIT AN A DU EITHER.
THE HOUSE THAT'S ON THE LOT RIGHT NOW IS TOO BIG AND DOESN'T, DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE ONE OR THE SHAPE OF THE LOT WON'T ACCOMMODATE ONE.
SO INHERENTLY IT'S GONNA BE A A, A LARGER BLOCK.
UH, A ONE QUARTER ACRE BOT WOULD HAVE TO BE IDEALLY SHAPED TO FIT AN EXTERNAL A DU, BUT NOT AN INTERNAL ONE.
IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT LARGER LOT TO HAVE THAT, BUT IT, IT WAS REALLY ODD SHAPE.
SO THE WHOLE IDEA IS NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S, YOU KNOW, LIFE AS WELL.
SO THEY PUT AN A DU IN THE BACKYARD.
IT'S GOTTA LOOK SIMILAR TO 33% OF ALL THE OTHER HOUSES
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IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.JUST LIKE IN OUR, OUR CODES STIPULATES AND, AND, UM, IT CAN'T BE, IT HAS TO FIT IN THE FOOTPRINT THAT A HOUSE WOULD'VE BEEN BUILT.
HAVE THEY MAXIMIZE THE FULL UTILIZATION OF THE BLOCK.
SO THAT, THAT'S JUST OF WHAT, WHAT LOOK LIKE, UM, IF THEY HAD ONE FOR, FOR 10,800 SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS BASICALLY A QUARTER ACRE LOT IN WHAT WE LOOK LIKE.
THAT'S JUST THAT AND R TWO AND R THREE COVERAGE AREAS ARE THE SAME, BUT THE, THE COVERAGE AREA ALLOWABLE AND AN R TWO AND R THREE ARE DIFFERENT THAN AN R ONE.
THAT'S WHY THE MAX COVER IS SO DIFFERENT.
COULD WE GO TO THE, THE ORDINANCE ITSELF? YEAH.
COULD WE SWITCH TO THE POST TEXT AND THE ORDINANCE? OH, ARE YOU DOING IT? NO, JUST WANT TO GO, GO THROUGH.
IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING, BUT I WANNA SHOW THE DEFINITIONS AS WELL.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LAUREN'S PRESENTATION? WHAT? I'M SORRY.
WHAT YOU, WHAT DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH? WE CAN'T, IT, IT, UM, THAT'S IN HERE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
I I IT IS THE TEXT AMENDMENT ITSELF FOR, UM, A DU.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S YEAH.
IT'S, IT STARTS ON 18, STARTS ON 18TH PAGES ON FOR A FEW PAGES.
MOST OF IT'S DEFINITION THOUGH.
DO HAVE ONE QUESTION? THE STATEMENT OF INTENT.
THERE'S SOMETHING'S BEING TAKEN OUT OF IT.
ARE YOU SURE? PARDON? THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING REMOVED FROM THE STATEMENT OF INTENT THAT I'M NOT SURE.
DO HERE, WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU SEEING THE STATEMENT OF INTENT? IT'S ON, UH, PAGE 19 ITSELF.
IN, IN THE REVISED ZONING TEXT.
IT HAS THE CURRENT STATEMENT OF INTENT FOR R ONE, UM, AND THEN THE PROPOSED FOR R ONE AS WELL.
SO IT ADDS AUXILIARY DWELLING UNIT IN AND IT REMOVES WHERE THERE ARE CHILDREN.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE CURRENT ONE SAYS, UH, STANDARD SET FORTH.
THIS DISTRICT DESIGNED TO STABILIZE AND PROTECT THE POTENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
AND SO DELINEATED TO PROMOTE AND ENCOURAGE A SUITABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR FAMILY LIFE WHERE THERE ARE CHILDREN.
SO WHERE, UM, THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE COMMENTS.
I ACTUALLY, YOU GAVE IT TO ME.
THAT, THAT IT WAS A REDUNDANT COMMENT WHERE, UM, IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVELY FOR CHILDREN, IT'S FAMILY LIFE.
SO IF, UH, IF A COUPLE'S IN THERE, THEY'RE HAVING THEIR FAMILY LIFE AND, AND THEY HAVE TO, IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE HAVING CHILDREN.
AND, AND HAVING A STATEMENT ATTEMPT THAT INCLUDES CHILDREN, I THINK HAS A, IT ENCOURAGES A
AND OF COURSE, THEY'RE THE NEXT GENERATION WANTING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PURPOSES DIRECTED TOWARDS THAT FUTURE I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE IT AS REDUNDANT.
FAMILY LIFE IS NOT ONLY, OF COURSE A LIFE THAT'S INCLUSIVE OF CHILDREN, RIGHT? THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T OR WHERE THEY'VE GROWN UP.
BUT THE IDEA OF A NEIGHBORHOOD HAVING CHILDREN IN MIND I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE LEGALLY, SOMEBODY WHO, SOMEBODY COULD USE THIS LANGUAGE SAYING WHERE THEIR CHILDREN TO SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN, THEREFORE YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE INTEND TO DO.
THE STATEMENT OF INTENT IS, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE EFFECT? I MEAN, IS THERE ANY LEGAL PRECEDENT FOR HAVING, FOR ENCOURAGING CHILDREN, THE PRESENCE OF CHILDREN OR SOMETHING LIKE, LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO, LIKE SHE ENCOURAGING THE PRESENCE OF CHILDREN
OR IT'S NOT ENCOURAGING AND IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ABOUT ADUS.
THE STATEMENT OF INTENT IS ABOUT R ONE AS A DISTRICT, AND ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF R ONE IS TO ENCOURAGE A SUITABLE ENVIRONMENT FAMILY IN LIFE WHERE THERE ARE CHILDREN.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE HAS TO BE CHILDREN FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
AND LAND USE IS GONNA SPEAK TO SAY LIKE, RIGHT.
I THINK WHEN YOU SEE THE CHILDREN, YOU'RE GONNA THINK EXTRA SAFETY PRECAUTIONS.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE HAS TO BE KIDS.
HOW ABOUT MAYBE CHILDREN? SO THEY'RE RESTRICTED, IT SOUNDS LIKE CHILD RESTRICTED DEVELOPMENTS, BUT THAT'S, THOSE ARE COVENANTS AND THAT'S, THOSE AREN'T ZONING LAWS TO WEAVE THAT IN CERTAINLY HURTS NOTHING.
AND IT DOESN'T, LIKE, I DON'T READ
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THAT STATEMENT OF INTENT AND CHILDREN DOESN'T LIKE GO THROUGH, GO THROUGH MY MIND.COULD ANYBODY SUE THE TOWN OVER THIS? NOBODY COULD CLAIM THIS IS DISCRIMINATION IN FAVOR OF ONE GROUP OR ANOTHER.
I THINK THE FACT THAT IT'S WITHIN THE STATEMENT OF 10, NOT WITHIN A SPECIFIC SECTION THAT OUTLINES WHAT, WHICH, WHICH WAY YOU WANT.
I I'M AIM EITHER WAY IN THIS CASE.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK IS BETTER? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE.
YOU COULD SAY FAMILY LIFE WITH OR WITHOUT CHILDREN.
IF YOU WANNA REALLY NO, WHERE, WHERE THERE MAY BE CHILDREN THERE MAY INSTEAD OUR SAY MAYBE.
I MEAN, IF PEOPLE WANT, WANNA KNOW.
I MEAN, I, I THINK JUST KEEPING IT AS IS IS PERFECTLY FINE.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHANGE IT.
BUT IF YOU ARE INTENT ON CHANGING IT IS ONE OF THE EARLIER COMMENTS I GOT THAT'S GOING THROUGH THIS.
SO I'LL PUT WITH OR WITHOUT CHILDREN OR, OR I LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION WHERE THEY MAY BE CHILDREN MAY WHERE THEY MAY BE CHILDREN.
HOW ABOUT YOU? YOU'RE COOL WITH IT.
OKAY, I'LL ADD, I'LL ADD THAT BACK IN.
SO, SO FAR, SO FAR WE'RE GONNA ADD THAT BACK IN AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUT PARKING.
SO DOES THE CLICKER NOW WORK WHEN I DO THIS AGAIN? OH, IT DOES.
HOW DO YOU GO BACK THE BACK? WOW.
IS ANYBODY CAN READ THAT? THAT'S TOUGH TO READ.
ANYWAY, WHAT I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE DEFINITIONS 'CAUSE REALLY I, WE ALL GOT, WE'VE ALL GOT IT ON OUR SCREEN.
AND OKAY,
WHAT'S HAPPENING? I THINK I JUST BLEW THAT.
I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE DEFINITIONS AS THEY STAND? YEAH.
HAVE YOU GUYS, HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE DEFINITIONS AND EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH 'EM? OTHER THAN THAT? OKAY, SO THAT, THAT'S MAINLY I WANTED TO SEE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPORTS INCLUDING THE ADUS AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS ON OUR IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX, THE WAY TO PROMOTE
AND THIS IS, OKAY, SO WE DON'T NEED TO BELABOR THIS ANYMORE.
SO MY, MY QUESTION THEN WILL BE, WHAT IS IT OKAY TO MAKE THOSE TWO CHANGES AND MOVE FORWARD ON THIS TO THE, UM, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE MOVING? ARE YOU COMFORTABLE MOVING? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND UM, IS EVERYBODY A STAFFING COMFORTABLE WITH IT TOO? EVERYBODY?
I HAVE TO SAY THAT I AM NOT CLEAR ON THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY BUILDING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CHANGE.
IT IS THE TWO ORIGINAL, NO RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY IS PERMITTED.
IT ORIGINALLY IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT, THEY WERE ALLOWING THAT, THAT WORD HAD TO CHANGE ITS DEFINITION A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT WAS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO LIVE WITHIN IT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE IN THERE, YOU'LL SEE WHAT, WHAT I, THE CHANGES I MADE.
SO I HAD TO DIFFERENTIATE, DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN BASICALLY A SHED AND AN A DU.
NOW WHEN WE COMMEND YOU FOR ALL THE WORK WE'VE DONE, WE'RE TOTALLY WITH YOU AND WE MOVE ON TO NEXT ITEM ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RUNNING A BISHOP MEETING.
WELL, YOU HEAR THE BEST IS YET TO COME, ESPECIALLY GONNA BE A
THANK BCA VARIANCE APPLICATION 2 5 0 0 3 3 5.
AND ANYBODY DRIVEN BY 1517 WEST 11TH STREET.
OKAY, I'VE DONE THAT A COUPLE TIMES.
SUBMITTED BY ORANGE CREEK, LLC FOR A VARIANCE FROM TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 24 A PERTAINING TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING SITE.
THE, THE NEXT ONE'S THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
OH, I'M SORRY, UH, ME AND ME IN COMPUTERS.
PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE OF BRAZIL PRACTICE ZONING TAX AMENDMENT TO 1 7 5 DASH ONE ONE SHORT TERM RENTAL PERFORMANCE STANDARDS TO ADDRESS MODIFICATIONS PERTAINING TO FEES, PARKING AND APPLICABLE UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE REGULATIONS AND RETITLE AND REIFY FORM CODE.
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OKAY, SO THESE AMENDMENTS CAME ABOUT AFTER A, UH, TOWN COUNCIL BOARD SESSION.UM, THERE'S FREQUENTLY BEEN, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING STANDARDS, UH, THAT WE REQUIRE AS FAR AS THE SHORT TERM RENTALS GO.
AND WE TOOK THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO UPDATE A FEW THINGS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, 1 75, 1 51 WILL BECOME ONE 14, WHICH PUTS INTO THE PERFORMANCE STANDARD SECTION OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
THAT'S JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE CLEANING UP THE ORDER, UM, OF THE TOWN CODE.
WE ALSO UPDATED OUR FEES A FEW MONTHS BACK.
SO THE APPLICATION FEE IS MOVING FROM 400 TO 1200.
THIS COVERS ADVERTISEMENT, SEATING BOARDS AND STAFF INSPECTIONS AND TIME PROCESSES, APPLICATIONS.
UM, WE UPDATED THE CODES THAT WERE, UH, REFERENCED IN THE INITIAL, UM, UH, SECTION.
SO AT FIRST WE REFERENCED THE 2015 OR 2018, UH, VERSION OF THE UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE.
AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST SAYING THE CURRENT, BECAUSE IT GETS UPDATED EVERY SO MANY YEARS, WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO COME BACK AND CHANGE THE TEXT TO BE ALIGNED WITH CODE EVERY TWO YEARS.
UM, AND THEN WE REMOVED THE PARKING STANDARDS FOR IT.
SO INSTEAD OF SAYING PARKING FOR THE USE SHALL BE LOCATED IN DRIVEWAYS OR OTHER DESIGNATED AND APPROVED PARKING AREAS, WE'RE SIMPLY STATING THAT THE PROPERTY SHALL BE EXEMPT.
MALL STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 48, 8 70.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WHEN WE GETS TO TOWN COUNCIL, IF THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT PARKING, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL, CLAIM COMMISSION RECOMMEND DENIAL AND COUNSEL'S NOT AD HEARING.
SO AT THAT POINT, THERE'S NO STEP IN HAVING THESE
DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY'RE DENYING, LIKE WHY THEY'RE, THEY'RE APPROVING THEY'RE FROM RENOLDS WITHOUT THE OFF STREET PARKING.
DO YOU KNOW WHY THAT, LIKE, WHY ARE THEY DOING THAT? ARE THEY JUST FEELING THAT IT'S INHIBITING? LIKE WHAT'S THEIR RATIONALE? I THINK THEY THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S UM, I GUESS IT'S MAKING IT INHERENTLY DIFFICULT FOR THESE APPLICANTS TO ABIDE BY SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES.
THERE ISN'T A PLACE TO PUT A PUT OFF STREET PARKING.
UM, SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS YOU'RE TAKING WHAT LITTLE BIT OF YARD SPACE YOU HAVE AND WE'RE FORCING THEM TO TURN IT INTO AN ASPHALT OR A DRIVEWAY.
YOU'RE TAKING AWAY PERMITABLE,
WHEREAS IF IT WAS JUST A HOME OR A RESIDENTIAL USE, IF THERE WAS NO DRIVEWAY, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT REGULARLY IN ANY NEW USE.
THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE OFF STREET PARKING ANY NEW RESIDENCES.
BUT IN SOME OF THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, THESE HOMES EXISTED BEFORE WE HAD ZONING OR CARS.
NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE PARKING OFF STREET PARKING IF WE DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE IT.
SO LAUREN'S TOUCHED ON SOMETHING THAT, UM, COULD BE ADDRESSED WITH A SLIGHT TWEAK.
THE LETTER SE OR LETTER E, EXCUSE ME.
UH, AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY SHALL BE EXEMPT OR AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USE PROPERTY OKAY.
SO INSTEAD OF SAYING THE PROPERTY, YOU WANNA SAY WE NEED, THE NEW PROPERTY IS NOT EXEMPT.
RIGHT? NEW, THEY BUILT A NEW HOUSE, THEY STILL HAVE, THEY BUILD A NEW STRUCTURE FOR IT TO NO, FAIR ENOUGH.
I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF CITY COUNCIL.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES IS, IS THAT SHORT TERM RENTAL, IT WASN'T A, THERE'S NO PARKING STANDARD FOR IN 1 48, 8 70.
SO ZONING ADMINISTRATOR IS ABLE TO DETERMINE THE RATE AT WHICH IT'S PARKED.
IT SEEMS LOGICAL TO APPLY THE PARKING FORMULA FOR SIMILAR USE LIKE LAUNCHING HOUSES, WHICH IS ONE PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM.
IT WAS JUST A SIMPLIFIED WAY TO JUST BE CONSISTENT AMONG ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN PEOPLE COME IN WITH THREE AND FOUR BEDROOM SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND WE'RE SAYING YOU NEED TO PROVIDE FOUR PARKING SPACE AS COUNCIL MUCH, ARE WE READY TO MOVE THIS ONE FORWARD? I JUST, I'M GONNA THROW SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE, WHICH IS, UM,
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YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT TO, UH, RESTRICT SHORT TERM RENTAL TO, TO ONE AT A TIME.IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN'T HAVE MULTIPLE SHORT TERM RENTALS AT THE SAME PROPERTY AT THE SAME TIME, IF SOMEBODY OWNS A DUPLEX, THEY CAN'T HAVE BOTH THOSE DUPLEX RENTAL DIFFERENT ROOMS ARE YOU DIVIDED HOUSE UP HOUSE PADLOCK ON EACH DOOR, WHICH I'VE SEEN MANY TIMES.
WE CAN HAVE THAT PROVISION JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.
SO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S BEEN CONSIDERED.
I DON'T WE CONSIDER IN ANY CASE.
WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF IF A, IF THERE IS A CHANGE OF USE TO A PROPERTY THAT THAT IS BEING MOVED TO RESIDENTIAL FROM SHORT TERM FROM ANYTHING ELSE? UM, AS A, AS A GENERAL STATEMENT INTO RESIDENTIAL 1 48, 8 70 WOULD REQUIRE TWO PARKING SPACES FOR THE HOMELESS IN ITS ENTIRETY.
IT'S PER DWELLING, PER DWELLING UNIT.
UM, WHICH WOULD BE INTERESTING WITH MAYBE USE, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT ACTUALLY USE FOUR THEN IF THERE'S AN A DU 'CAUSE IT'S PER DWELLING UNIT, BUT THAT'S NOT, WELL WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA REMOVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR A U SO RIGHT.
UM, BUT UH, THAT CHANGE OF USE WOULD REQUIRE TWO PARKING SPACES.
UM, I GUESS AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, THE, YOU KNOW, EXISTING PROPERTIES BEING EXEMPT AS OPPOSED TO NUANCES PERHAPS ANSWERS THIS.
BUT I WOULD, I, I GUESS I WANT US TO BE CAUTIOUS OR AT LEAST ENCOURAGE A CAUTION, UH, AGAINST MAKING IT SO THAT THERE CAN THEN BE A FLOOD AND NOW ENTIRE STREETS ARE ALL JUST, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS BECAUSE THERE'S NOW NO LONGER A PARKING REQUIREMENT AND YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A FREE FOR ALL, UH, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
THE APPLICATIONS HAVE SLOWED DOWN A LOT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, AT THE MONTHLY REPORTS, THAT IS TRUE.
RECENT TIMES HAVE CAUSED PARKING TO BE CONFUSING.
A RECENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT PARKING IS THE REASON WHY PEOPLE AREN'T APPLYING FOR THEM HERE.
NO, I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A MARKET SHIFT.
NOT NECESSARILY OUR STANDARDS ARE UNREASONABLE.
SO WE CAN MOVE THIS ONE FORWARD, BACK WITH THE, BUT THIS CHANGES SUGGEST ABOUT MR. SUMMIT.
ARE WE READY TO MOVE THIS ONE? OH, ARE WE INCLUDING THE CHANGE FOR SAYING EXISTING PROPERTIES SHALL BE EXEMPT.
THEN THERE WAS THE ANOTHER ONE ABOUT PROPERTIES, WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO LIMIT ONE ONE TERM RENTAL TO ONE RENTAL PER UNIT OR PER, PER PROPERTY.
SO I MEAN SOMEONE COULD IN THAT CASE POTENTIALLY MAKE AN A DU IN THE BASEMENT AND THEN MAKE THAT A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
BUT THERE'S BEEN LIKE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT STUFF THAT CAME UP, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY WHERE THE EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DIVIDED IN TWO.
UM, THAT WOULD RESTRICT THEM FROM USING EACH ONE AS A, UM,
AND I KNOW THERE'LL BE SOME RESISTANCE TO THAT ON COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S ONLY BEEN DIVIDED INTO TWO.
CAN, CAN, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A GIVEN, BUT COULD YOU THERE BE SOME INDICATION THAT YOU NO EXEMPTIONS ON A PER CASE BASIS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT WAS YEAH, IT WAS MULTI, THAT'S BEEN COMPLICATED.
I MEAN WE'RE ALREADY OF THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE, THAT THOSE HOMES SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SPLIT UP IN, IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CAUSE HARDSHIP FOR ANYBODY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME MAKING A, YOU KNOW, FOUR DWELLING HOME INTO FOUR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I, NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
IT, IT IS A MATTER OF, OF GRANDFATHER GRANDFATHERING THOSE, IT ALREADY ARE THAT WAY AND DONE LEGALLY I GUESS IS WHAT IT WOULD COME INTO.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY COME IN? WE HAVE, I THINK WE'VE HAD ONE.
UM, WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WERE RENOVATIONS THAT HAD BEEN DONE WITH, AT, AT THE TIME THEY APPLIED FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND THEN AT THAT POINT THEY HAD RETRO TO ACTIVELY GO BACK AND GET ZONING AND APPROVALS FOR A PROPERTY THAT THEY HAD JUST PURCHASED AND HAD NO CLUE.
BUT NOT A SINGLE PERMIT HAS BEEN PULLED.
THIS DOES KIND OF PROVIDE THE MOMENT THEY SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION, IT'S LIKE A STATUTE AND WE START LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENED MM-HMM
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BUT LIMIT, UM, YOU WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GRANDFATHERING AND IF SOMEONE'S BREAKING THE LAW, THEY'RE BREAKING THE LAW, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SHOULD BE, IF SOMEONE DIVIDED UP ALL THE HOUSE AND DECIDES, OH WELL THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOUGH.YOU BROKE THE LAW AND YOU CAN'T DO IT.
SO I I THINK THAT'S A YOU HOPEFULLY I'M NOT SPEAKING OUTTA TERM.
WELL WE ACCEPT THAT AN ILLEGAL USE IS AN ILLEGAL, THAT'S ILLEGAL USE REMAINS AN ILLEGAL USE UNTIL IT'S BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE.
SO STAFF IS INCLUDING THIS LANGUAGE ABOUT ONE
IT IS JUST TO COME, UM, ALL THE GRANDFATHER STUFF, THAT'S WHERE IT CAN GETS TRICKY.
I DON'T WANNA NECESS NECESSARILY PUNISH PEOPLE WHATSOEVER.
THERE HAS TO BE REASON LOOK TOWARD WHEN WE'RE LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS YOUR BVA VARIANCE APPLICATION.
I'LL PREFACE THIS CONVERSATION LIST IS THE B'S JOB TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE VARIANCE IS APPROPRIATE.
HOWEVER, STATE CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT I SEND THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
YOU MAY PROVIDE FEEDBACK, YOU MAY COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND PROVIDE YOUR, UM, YEAH, THIS IS, IF I MAY JUMP IN.
SO THIS IS A, A VERY NUANCED PROVISION IN, IN A STATUTE, IN A STATE STATUTE DOESN'T MEAN THE COMMISSIONS, UH, GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE WHO ON THE MERITS OKAY.
UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY I THINK INTENDED TO GIVE THE COMMISSION AN AVENUE TO, UM, SUPPLY THE BZA WITH INFORMATION ON SOME ISSUE FROM A, FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, HOW, YOU KNOW, GRANTING A VARIANCE MAY COMPLICATE, UM, AFFECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE PLANNING ORDINANCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I EXPLAINED THAT VERY WELL, BUT IT, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A, IT'S A NUANCE IN A STATUTE AND IT DOES SAY SHALL TRANSMIT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, WHICH MAY SEND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OR APPEAR SO MAY SO OPTION ONE IS DO NOTHING.
OPTION TWO IS, UM, AGREE, UH, BY CONSENSUS AS TO A STATEMENT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE CLERK TO TRANSMIT.
AND THE THIRD ONE I APPEAR, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU DO THAT.
THE, THE ENTIRE PLANNING COMMISSION RIGHT.
GIVE NOTICE AND APPEAR AT THE HEARING.
UH, THAT ONE, THAT ONE STUMPS ME.
BUT
SO IT, THIS ONE, THIS IS LOCATED AT 15 AND 17 WEST 11TH STREET.
SO THIS IS, UM, BY THAT THERE'S A CHIROPRACTOR OFFICE HERE ON THE CORNER.
UM, THIS WAS SUBJECT TO I BELIEVE OF A REZONING LAST YEAR.
SO WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THE APPLICANT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY GOT THEIR ZONING APPROVAL FOR A DUPLEX.
SO, YOU KNOW, TWO HOUSES ON THIS LOT HERE THAT'S OUTLINED IN RED.
UM, THEY STARTED CONSTRUCTION.
THE HOUSE OR THE FOUNDATION WAS CONSTRUCTED AT, UM, 8.7 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOW REQUESTED A VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED SETBACK TO THE 8.7 FEET, WHICH IS WHERE THEY CONSTRUCTED THE FOUNDATION.
AND THEN THEY SUBSEQUENTLY CONSTRUCTED TWO LEVELS, PUT A ROOF ON IT.
THEY JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SHINGLE IT BEFORE WE PUT A STOP WORK ORDER ON THERE.
NOW, IN THEIR PAPERWORK, THEIR REASONING FOR VARIANCE, THEY STATE THAT THEIR ENCROACHMENT IS 0.4 INCHES AT THE FRONT AND 1.3 INCHES AT THEIR QUARTER.
OKAY, SO THEY WRONG IS IS, IS THAT WRONG OR IS IT DELIBERATELY MISLEADING OR? I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS DELIBERATE, BUT IT'S NOT.
IT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH WHAT THE, UM, SURVEY SAYS.
SO THE APPLICANT IS, SO AT THIS POINT, THE BVAS JOB IS GONNA DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE VARIANCE IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS, WHICH INVOLVES HARDSHIP.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, NON-CONFORMING AND IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMFORTABLE WITH NONCONFORMING SITUATIONS? IDEALLY
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YOU DON'T WANT TO CREATE THEM.IF THEY CAN BE AVOIDED, THE APPLICANT CAN POTENTIALLY DO A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
THEY OWN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AS WELL.
AND IT'LL THAT THAT GIVES THEY OWN THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE ENCROACHING THEM.
AND SO WHY, OKAY, SO THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T RE REDRAW THE LINE.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE ANOTHER REMEDY AVAILABLE.
THIS IS THE FIRST ONE I'M TRYING.
SO THAT'S WHY I PUT TO DRAWING THE LINE OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO NOT DO.
YOU KNOW, BASED ON
I UNDERSTAND IT WAS, THEY STARTED WORK BEFORE HAVING THE SURVEY DONE.
THEY JUST GOT A TAPE MEASURER OUT AND DID THAT BY THE TIME THE SURVEY WAS DONE LATER ON IT WAS, OOPS.
AND SO, AND YOU THINK IT'S ONLY A COUPLE OF INCHES OR SOMETHING.
LIKE YOU COULD LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, BUT READ BACK.
BUT THIS IS A, B, C, A DECISION, NOT OURS.
SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
THIS POINT APPEARED BEFORE US.
THE EFFECT ON GOOD PLANNING AND GRANTING A VARIANT.
IT IT'S SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE WOULD BE THE COMMUNICATION IF WE, IF THE COMMISSION IS SO INCLINED.
ANYTHING FFY, I IT'S, YEAH, I MEAN DOES IT SET A PRECEDENT THAT WE LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT, EH, THIS PRECEDENT OF THAT, KEEP THAT IN MIND.
THE HISTORY OF HOW THIS CAME ABOUT I THINK IS WE, THAT IS A GREAT WAY TO PUT IT.
ASK THEM WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT TAPE MEASURES.
WAS IT DONE IN GOOD FAITH BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR CLAIM IN HERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE LOT WAS TOO NARROW.
WHAT'S BEING UNREASONABLE IN IN, IN TRUTH THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
IT WAS 'CAUSE THEY HISTORIC BY THIS CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTOR COME OUT THERE BEFORE THEY DO THIS.
'CAUSE DIDN'T WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? TYPICALLY, UM, ONCE WE GIVE ZONING CLEARANCE, THEY START THE PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY.
THERE'S A FOUNDATION LOCATION INSPECTION.
SO CONSTRUCTION SHOULD NOT HAVE COMMENCED BEYOND THAT FOUNDATION LOCATION INSPECTION UNTIL THE FOUNDATION WAS IN THE PROPER PLACE.
SO DID THEY HAVE THAT INSPECTION DONE? THEY DID.
WHEN WE RECEIVED THE FOUNDATION LOCATION SURVEY, JOHN REVIEWED IT AND THEN IT WAS DETERMINED AT THAT POINT, THIS IS NOT RIGHT.
SO YOU DIDN'T, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT A STOPPED CORRECT.
STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED AND THAT'S WHY IT'S STANDING.
WHERE IS THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK ON IT YET UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED.
SO DON'T THEY CONSTRUCTED BEYOND THE FACTS THEY CONSTRUCTED, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A FOUNDATION INSPECTION DONE WITH THE COUNTY.
THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN TO HAVE THAT.
ON EVERYTHING THAT WE GIVE THEM.
GO BACK TO THEY LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF IT BEFORE RAN INTO VARIANCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RULES THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK BY.
SO THIS IS THE MOST IN THE UNS CHARITABLE PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.
IF THIS IS SOME HOT SHARK IN WASHINGTON THINKING THEY CAN COME OUT HERE AND PULL THE WOOL OVER YOUR EYES AND RIGHT.
NOT QUITE SO SURE IF ITS THAT WAY.
BUT
I LET MOVE ON TO THE PTO BASIS.
ITEM NUMBER 5 2 5 0 3 4 5 FOR THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE OR GOOD ZONING TAXES.
KNOWING TEXT AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE 1 7 5 DASH THREE DEFINITION IS TO DEFINE DATA CENTERS AND TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 64 INDUSTRIAL EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT I TWO TO ADD DATA CENTERS WITH PERFORMANCE STANDARD BY PERMITS.
SO THIS IS A PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT DATA.
UH, PERMIT DATA CENTERS BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE I TWO.
SO IT'S OUR INDUSTRIAL EMPLOYMENT DISTRICT.
UM, QUICKLY, UH, WE'RE REGULATING TO GET CLEAR RULES AND CREATE THE PARAMETERS BY WHICH DEVELOPERS INTERESTED IN COMING HERE NEED TO FOLLOW.
SO WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THIS GIVES THE COMMUNITY MORE CONTROL.
SO YOU CAN LIMIT THE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
YOU CAN IMPOSE NOISE DESIGN AND SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS.
YOU REQUIRE TRAFFIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES.
WE CAN CHARGE APPROPRIATE TAXES AND UTILITY CONNECTION FEES, AND WE CAN CONTROL THE MIX OF INDUSTRIAL USE AREAS TO A MIX THAT IS ADVANTAGEOUS FOR FARM OIL.
SO THIS IS TO ENABLE THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE A GOOD CHOICE.
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EVEN IF PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE THE IDEA OF A DATA CENTER COMING HERE, AT LEAST NOW WE WOULD HAVE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE.SO THIS IS, UM, SO THE WAY THIS, UH, THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS LAID OUT, WE HAVE THE CURRENT DEFINITIONS AND CURRENT RE UH, REGULATIONS ARE WITHIN 1 75 64 OF OUR TOWN CODE.
UM, AND IT'S CONSISTING OF THREE PARTS.
WE HAVE DEFINITIONS, UM, WE HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, AND THEN WE HAVE IMPACT ANALYSIS REQUIREMENTS.
AND UNDER THOSE IMPACT ANALYSIS REQUIREMENTS, YOU HAVE UTILITY, PHYSICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, UM, ANALYSIS THAT NEED TO BE SUBMITTED WITH AN APPLICATION.
UM, THE TAX AMENDMENT IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE TECHNICAL, LEGAL AND ETHICAL STANDARD FOR DATA CENTERS WHILE PROTECTING THE INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS OF
SO AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, IT'S GETTING REDUNDANT.
UM, BUT THIS IS BY SPECIAL USE ONLY.
SO WHAT WE CAN LOOK AT HERE ARE REGULATING OR ADDING ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.
SO AS OF NOW, THE MINIMUM SETBACKS THAT THIS CODE WOULD REQUIRE, WE'VE GOT 200 FEET FOR RESIDENTIAL, 150 FEET IF THE ADJOINING ZONING IS PLANNED, NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT 25 FEET WHEN ADJACENT TO OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, 40 WHEN ADJACENT TO PUBLIC STREETS, RAILS AND THE RICE PLACE 100 FEET, UM, WENT ADJACENT TO AGRICULTURE AND OPEN SPACE OR PRESERVATION DISTRICT AND THEN 200 FEET UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED BY THE ZONING MORGAN.
UM, AND THESE, THE DISTANCES NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES, IT'S LIKE THE STRICTEST STEP BACK WE HAVE.
AND THEN PERIMETER BUFFERS, A BUFFER YARD MANAGEMENT SHALL BE SIGNED TO MINIMIZE VISUAL IMPACTS FROM ADJACENT PUBLIC STREETS OR PROPERTIES NOT IN COMMON OWNERSHIP.
BUFFERED IS TO BE ESTABLISHED AND MAINTAINED, UM, WITH A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 25 FEET ALONG THE PERIMETER OF EACH DATA CENTER CAMPUS.
AND THEN, UM, OPEN SPACE, WE'RE REQUIRING A MINIMUM OF 30% OPEN SPACE FOR THE PERIMETER SERVICE AREA SHOWING MAINTAINED.
UH, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE TO IMPLEMENT ANYTHING FURTHER REGARDING SEATS CLOSED.
THOSE WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN PORTIONS OF
UM, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE, THE SETBACK OF 200 FEET IS THE MOST STRICT IN THE CODE, UM, SO I MEAN OF COURSE VERSUS THE OTHER, UH, INDUSTRIAL AND EVERYTHING THAT IS, THAT IS THE FURTHEST, IS THAT THE FURTHEST WE ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED? I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NO, THERE'S NO MASS.
UM, SO THE BASELINE HERE IS REGULATION HAS TO BE REASONABLE.
IT HAS TO HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS.
NO, I, SO WITH WITHIN THAT LIMITATION MM-HMM
SO WHY IS 200 FEET RATIONAL? IT JUST HAS, WE HAVE 200 FEET.
LIKE IF IT SAY WE WERE TO PUT LIKE A MANUFACTURING PLANT, WE HAVE 200 FEET THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN OUR CODE.
THE IDEA IS TO ADDRESS THE IMPACTS.
SO ANYTIME YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S HOW LIKE IAN ZONING CAME ABOUT WAS YOU HAD FACTORIES RIGHT NEXT TO PEOPLE'S HOMES AND PEOPLE WERE GETTING SICK.
SO THEN THIS CONCEPT OF ZONING CAME ABOUT TO SEPARATE USES SO THAT YOU CAN PROMOTE HEALTH AND SAFETY AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT GOOD ENVIRONMENT.
CREATING A LARGER SETBACK FOR USE THAT MAY BE LESS THAN THAT.
THAT'S WHY NEXT COMMERCIAL OR OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES THE SETBACKS AREN'T AS WIDE.
UH, JUST, JUST TO MENTION THAT 200 FEET IS, IS NOT, IT COULD END UP BEING GREATER, BUT IT CAN'T END UP BEING LESS AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT CAME ALONG OR, OR THE NOISE STUDIES FOR SOME REASON IT CAME ALONG.
UM, BUT THE NOISE REQUIREMENTS ARE THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT SETBACK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY GENEROUS GIVEN TAKE IT AS A WHOLE.
'CAUSE THE SETBACKS ARE DESIGNED BOTH VISUAL AND AND NOISE THOSE WAYS.
UM, NO, I, I, I GOT UNDERSTAND DATA THERE FOR SURE.
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE MORE OF WHERE THE NUMBERS CAME FROM.
WAS THAT, UH, THE OTHER ONE ON, UH, THE OPEN SPACES REQUIREMENT OF THE 30%, IT SAYS THAT IT'S GONNA BE FOR EACH CANVAS, BUT NOT EVERY DATA CENTER WILL BE ON A CAMPUS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE
ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING THE DATA CENTER OWNED PROPERTY,
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IT'S JUST IN THE CAMPUS THAT CAME FROM THEIR TERMINOLOGY THAT WHAT THEY COMMONLY CALL, YES.ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO NOISE STANDARDS.
SO TYPICALLY INDUSTRIAL USES TEND TO BE NOISIER THAN RESIDENTIAL FOR COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO ANY NOISE WHICH EMANATES FROM OPERATION OR ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE DATA.
SO ANY DATA CENTER IS GOING TO BE REGULATED.
SO WE, UM, PLACED INTO THE CODE A WEIGHTED DECAL MAXIMUM OF 59 CBA DURING THE DAY.
SO THAT'S FROM 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM WHICH IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR TYPICAL NOISE STANDARDS THROUGHOUT TOWN.
UM, AND THEN 52, UH, T VA AT NIGHT.
UM, THEN WE REQUIRE THAT GENERATOR TESTING SHALL ONLY BE CONDUCTED BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 10:00 PM SO THEY CAN'T BE TESTING GENERATORS AT NIGHTTIME AND POSSIBLY BEING A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORS.
SO NORMAL, LIKE YOUR TYPICAL CONVERSATION OF THREE TO FIVE FEET, THAT'S MORE TROUBLE, WHICH YOU WOULD HEAR THESE DATA CENTERS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE PART OF THAT IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WE'D BE REQUIRING THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT? SURE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSIONS LATER.
UM, BUT A LOT OF STUDIES HAVE SHOWN OCTA BAND CYCLES.
I'M LEARNING THINGS THAT I NEVER THOUGHT I EVEN WANTED TO KNOW.
UM, WHAT IS THIS? THIS IS THE, SO THAT'S THE EXISTING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTING OKTA BAND CYCLES AND THE EXISTING YEAH.
JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A QUICK SECOND.
SO THESE KIND OF RELATE TO, FROM THE, FROM THE INFORMATION FROM THE RESEARCH THAT I DID TO HERTZ, RIGHT? SO SOMEWHERE I HAD IN HERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE THAT THE LOW, HERE IT IS LOWER OCTA BAND CYCLES ARE MORE DANGEROUS TO HUMANS.
SO FIRST OF ALL, I MEAN IT'S GREAT THAT THE MAXIMUM SOUND LEVELS AND DECIBELS RIGHT? THAT YOU'RE DOWN AT 59 DBA.
BUT LIKE, MY THOUGHT WAS LIKE, LIKE HAVE YOU GUYS EVER BEEN AROUND THE BIG WINDMILLS? LIKE I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA GO CRAZY WITH THAT SOUND, WHICH IS NOT LOUD.
RIGHT? BUT IT'S THAT, THAT WE MEASURED MORE IN DBC THAN DBA IF I RECALL CORRECTLY FROM WHAT I WAS READING, THAT WHAT IT'D BE MEASURED DIFFERENTLY.
UM, SO THE, YEAH, IT IT WOULDN'T BE A WEIGHTED DECIBELS, IT'D BE C WEIGHTED DECIBELS.
A WEIGHTED DECIBELS COME TO THE AUDIBLE RANGE THAT WE'RE TALKING, TALKING ABOUT.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S A DB MEANS A LOT OF THINGS DEPENDING ON WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY MEASURING.
BUT I, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE LOW FREQUENCY NOISE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE POWER BEHIND THAT LOW FREQUENCY NOISE IN ACCOUNT TWO, IN THIS CASE, MAXIMUM OF 59 AT, AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT WAS GONNA BE MY OTHER QUESTION.
WHERE DO YOU MEASURE PROPERTY? AT THE PROPERTY? AND REMEMBER THAT IF, IF THEY HAVE ONE SIDE IS 200 FEET AND THEN OUR INDUSTRIAL AND IT'S 25 FEET, IT'S STILL 59 IN THAT 25 FEET.
SO AT THAT, THAT, LET'S SAY IT'S A 200 FOOT SETBACK, RIGHT? THE DATA CENTER'S HERE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS HERE, IT'S AT THAT, AT THE PROPERTY, AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT PART OF THAT IS AESTHETIC, NOT JUST NOISE.
WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT JUST KEEPING THE VISUALIZATION THAT IT ALLOW FOR TREES TO BE PLANTED.
THOSE, SO IT'S NOT UGLY FOR RESIDENTIAL.
IT DOES SAY HERE THOUGH, THAT SUCH LEVELS MAY BE MEASURED IN THE CAMPUS BOUNDARY.
SHOULD WE SAY SHALL YEAH, BECAUSE MAY NO, NO, FAIR ENOUGH.
THAT, THAT, THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE SHELL.
AND FOR THE GENERATOR TESTING, THEY'RE SAYING 7:00 AM 10:00 PM MOST BUSINESSES AROUND HERE ARE CLOSED.
SHOULD WE PULL THAT UP? PULL THAT BACK.
I MEAN, KIDS ARE GONNA BE LIKE, IT'S A SCHOOL NIGHT.
KIDS ARE LIKE, THAT'S, I I THINK 10 PM'S REALLY LATE.
BUT THAT, THAT'S HOW I CAN ORDINANCE.
SO LIKE IF SOMEBODY'S HAVING AN EVENT OR A WEDDING IN TOWN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE COME 10 O'CLOCK IF IT'S BEYOND THAT.
BUT THAT'S A ONE TIME THING THAT'S JUST HAPPENING ONCE.
WELL NOT THE GENERATOR TESTING, BUT LIKE THE, JUST THE NOISE FROM IT.
THE NOISE FROM THIS IS GONNA BE CONSTANT.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING ADDITIONAL UP TO 10:00 PM WHEN WE'RE ALREADY TO NINE, 9:00 PM IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO SEVEN NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS ARE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN DAILY THING? NO, IT'S NOT A DAILY THING.
UM, BUT THE NOISE, ALL THAT'S ALREADY GONNA BE PRESENT LEVEL THING IS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD BE REALLY DBA IS IN THE AUDIBLE SECTION, BUT I THINK THE VIBRATIONAL ASPECT IS ACTUALLY
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GONNA BE REALLY, YEAH, LET'S, WELL, BUT THAT'S, HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT VIBRATION? WELL, WE HAVE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A, A STUDY.WHAT WOULD OUR STANDARD PART, THE IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHAT WOULD OUR STANDARDS BE FROM THE DONATION LEVEL? DO WE HAVE THOSE IN HERE? THAT WAS THE QUESTION I HAD.
WELL, THE, THE LOWER BANDS WHERE IT'S NOT AUDIBLE, BUT YOU FEEL IT.
UM, AND LIKE SHE SAID, THERE ARE, THERE ARE STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT THAT CAN HAVE A GREATER IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT, ON PEOPLE WITH LANDSCAPE BUFFERS AND BERMS NOT ABSORBED.
SO VIBRATIONS, I MEAN, YOU'RE STARTING TO GET INTO THE PHYSICS AND THE ENGINEERING OF HOW, AS FAR AS STRICTLY SPEAKING DATA CENTERS, I, I KNOW PHYSICS WISE, THESE THINGS THAT HAPPENED, I NEVER RAN ACROSS ANY OF THAT IN ANY OF THE STUDIES OF THE, OF STRICTLY VIBRATION DATA AND DEALING WITH DATA CENTERS AT A DISTANCE FOR DATA CENTERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE STUDY HAS JUST NOT BEEN DONE OR IF IT HASN'T BEEN LOOKED AT, BUT THE LOWER OCTAVE BAND IN GENERAL IS SOMETHING THAT DOES AFFECT PEOPLE.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE LOW HUM OR VIBRATION OF HOWEVER MANY MACHINES ARE IN THIS THING, AN ANALOG TO WHAT IT WILL SOUND LIKE IS THE HOSPITAL GO WALK AROUND THE HOSPITAL.
IF YOU WALK AROUND THE BACK OF THE HOSPITAL WHERE THERE'S NO SOUND SHIELDING, THAT'LL GIVE YOU ONE THING, WALK AROUND THE FRONT WHERE THEY HAVE SOUND SHIELDING.
YOU HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
SO THE LOWER BANDS ARE NOT ABOUT THE SOUND.
WELL, WHAT WE CAN DO IS, WE CAN SAYING WOULD THAT WOULD GENERATE THE SAME TYPE OF NOISE THAT A DATA CENTER WOULD 'CAUSE.
IT'S THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS THAT ARE MAKING THE NOISE OR THE CHILLING UNITS, THEY'RE MAKING THE NOISE.
AND ANY HIGHER FREQUENCY NOISES ARE INTERNAL TO THE BUILDING THE EQUIPMENT.
SO IT'S REALLY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING'S BELOW 200 HERTZ AND REALLY LESS THAN A HUNDRED HERTZ IN MOST CASES WHERE THE NOISE THAT YOU'RE TALKING, TALKING ABOUT.
SO, UM, THE CLOSEST ANALOG I HAVE IN TOWN IS, BUT IT, IT, IT MAY NOT BE TO SCALE, BUT IT WOULD GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHAT KIND OF NOISE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO HERE, AND WE DON'T REGULATE THAT RIGHT NOW.
WELL, YES, BUT THESE REGULATIONS, THIS IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE REGULATING THE, THE SERVICE THAT A HOSPITAL PROVIDES IS DIFFERENT.
I'M JUST, THAT'S JUST THE ANALOG TIME THAT WE CAN RESEARCH AND WE CAN BRING THIS PART BACK TO THE NEXT WORK SECTION.
SO, SO THIS IS, UM, YOU'RE SAYING LOW OPTIC BAND CYCLES, CYCLES ARE MORE DANGEROUS TO HUMAN WHEN YOU SAY OC BAND CYCLES, EXACTLY WHAT FREQUENCIES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I, THAT PART I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT, LOOK, I, I MEAN I WAS STRUGGLING WITH THIS.
THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, ELECTIVE BAND CYCLE EFFECTS.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN THIS IS JUST, I WAS GOOGLING RESEARCH AND ULTIMATELY I WENT TO AI YEAH.
FOR YOU TO SEE THAT I'M, YOU KNOW, OH, I, YEAH.
I ACTUALLY WORKED IN A PLACE WHERE THERE'S LOW FREQUENCY WHERE YOU HAD TO WEAR HARNESS IF YOU WERE IN THE AREA TO KEEP FROM HAVING PROBLEMS. SO THAT, UM, BUT THAT WAS HIGH POWER.
UH, BUT THAT SEE THAT LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THOSE THINGS EITHER.
THAT WAS, BUT THIS WAS IN VICINITY TO A CHAMBER THAT WAS CAUSING A VIBRATION, A, A VIBRATION TO TEST THE UNIT, A LARGE UNIT.
AND IT GAVE THOSE, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND LITERALLY, UM, BODILY FUNCTIONS HAPPEN.
YOU DIDN'T WANT THAT HAPPEN IF YOU DIDN'T WEAR THIS HARNESS.
SO, UH, SO I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THAT WAS, UM, I MEAN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER, OTHER, WELL, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT MORE.
I COULD CERTAINLY, WE COULD LOOK INTO, DO YOU WANT KEEP SURE.
SO IF YOU COULD BOTH SEND TO LAUREN ANY RESEARCH, SEND ME THE RESEARCH THAT SHE DONE.
THAT WAY WE KNOW I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
WE YOU CAN'T, YEAH, I CAN'T, I CAN'T.
UM, SO LOW CYCLE AND LOW FREQUENCY EFFECT DISTANCE, IT'S REALLY, THAT REALLY IS COVERING BY THE DB.
'CAUSE THE LOW FREQUENCY IS BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING, WELL, THE, THE D-B-D-B-A WEIGHTS THINGS IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN BE PHYSICALLY HEARD.
IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE DBC STANDPOINT, THEN IT IS NOT DIFFERENTIATED BY WHAT CAN BE HEARD OR NOT.
BECAUSE THE CONCERN WITH THE LOWER FREQUENCIES IS NOT ABOUT A HEARING.
AND IF IT DOES, THEN PERHAPS IT MAY BE SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING INTO HAVING OUR REQUIREMENTS BE VIA DBC IN THIS CASE AS OPPOSED TO DBA.
UM, I, I CAN'T SAY THE DBA IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR DOING THIS SORT OF, YOU CAN SAY THAT.
IT'S NOT, NOT THE DVC, SO THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T CONSIDERED ANYWAY.
WE MIGHT HAVE TO, FOR YOU PATH.
UM, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEER THAT CAN ADDRESS EVALUATE.
WELL THAT'S THE THING BECAUSE LIKE FOR THE VIBRATIONS TOO, THERE'S A SECTION IN THE VIBRATION.
AND I, MY QUESTION WAS, WELL, HOW, HOW IS
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THIS MEASURED? NO, CONTINUOUS WE OR REPETITIVE VIBRATIONS SHALL BE PRODUCED, WHICH ARE DISCERNIBLE.IS IT PURELY SUBJECTIVE? THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME MECHANISM TO MEASURE.
THERE'S A MECHANISM WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEC, WE WOULDN'T SPECIFY HOW THEY WERE MEASURING.
ALL THAT CASE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, DID A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL SIGN THEIR LICENSE TO THIS? SAY THE REPORT THAT THEY SUBMIT STATING I'M, THIS IS TRUE.
THAT MIGHT HAVE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF I SHOULD BRING THAT UP HERE OR NOT.
WE GO, WELL I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GOING THROUGH SYSTEMATICALLY KIND OF THROUGH EVERYTHING.
WELL, THIS IS GOING LIKE THE PRESENTATION'S GONNA GO THROUGH THAT AND THEN WE CAN DIVE INTO THE ACTUAL TEXT.
UM, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE WE WERE AT, BUT, UM, THE SOUND STUDY SHALL BE ACCOMPLISHED IN SPECIFIC TO PROPOSED SITE LAYOUT BUILDING TYPE.
AND THEN WE HAVE PROVISIONS THAT, UM, IN THAT STUDY THEY NEED TO INCLUDE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MITIGATION MEASURES AND IMPLEMENTATION PLANS FOR SOUND MITIGATION.
SO AFTER THIS IS CONSTRUCTED FOR UP TO 10 YEARS, THEY NEED TO SUBMIT, UM, THEY NEED TO, TO EVALUATE AND THEN SUBMIT TO STAFF, UM, ANY OF THE STUDIES THAT THEY DO TO ASSURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR, OUR CODE.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WHEN THEY'RE IN VIOLATION AND THEY GET BROUGHT INTO VIOLATION.
SO, AND THEN THEY GET SHUT DOWN.
THEY DON'T GET SHUT NECESSARILY SHUT THEM DOWN.
BUT WE WOULD START TAKING ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS AGAINST THEM.
AND IS THAT IN OUR CODE OR WHAT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WRITING INTO CODE.
SO, UM, A PHOTOMETRIC LIGHTING PLAN MUST ACCOMPANY A SITE SUBDIVISION PLAN.
UM, SHOWING FIXTURE LOCATIONS AND MOUNTING HEIGHTS, MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS, UM, CALCULATED ILLUMINANCE, UM, LIGHT TRESPASS VALUES EXTENDING TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ZONES.
WORK WITHIN OUR DARK SUPPLY COMPLIANCE STANDARDS AND PROTECT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES FROM THE EXCESSIVE SPILLOVER LIGHT.
WE REQUIRE THIS AS PART OF SITE MINUTES FOR ANY OF THE, UM, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURS.
BUT TYPICALLY, LIKE AT THE PROPERTY LINE, THEY CAN'T, UM, CREATE LIGHT POLLUTION THAT'S GOING OVER INTO OTHER PROPERTIES OR, UM, MOVE ON.
WATER SEEMS TO BE A HOT TOPIC.
UM, DATA CENTERS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO PERMANENTLY UTILIZE POTABLE WATER FOR INDUSTRIAL POOLING, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO DATA CENTER POOLING.
SO THIS SHALL NOT APPLY TO WATER REQUIREMENTS OF DOMESTIC WATER DRINKING AND SANITARY FACILITIES FOR EMPLOYEES AND OCCUPANTS AND FIRE SUPPRESSION.
TEMPORARY POTABLE WATER FOR INDUSTRIAL POOLING MAY BE PROVIDED THROUGH WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT BY THE TOWN COUNCIL TO BRIDGE INITIAL WATER REQUIREMENTS WHERE WHILE AN INDUSTRIAL REUSE WATER COOLING SYSTEM IS CONSTRUCTED, YOU UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, KIND OF, I, I DON'T, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PORTABLE WATER AND INDUSTRIAL REUSE WATER IS ONE OF THE, SO ESSENTIALLY WHERE WE'RE GONNA WIRE CLOSED, DO WE HAVE DIFFERENT LINES OR WHERE WOULD THEY GET THAT? LIKE DO, HOW DO THEY GET THAT INDUSTRIAL RE IT DEPEND ON HOW THEY'RE, IT'S JUST GONNA DEPEND ON HOW THEY DRAW THEIR WATER.
SO THEY'RE GONNA DRAW IT FROM, WELL, IF THEY'RE GONNA GET IT FROM THE TOWN, THEY GET IT FROM THE RIVER.
DEQ IS GONNA HAVE TO INVOLVED, LIKE THERE'S MULTIPLE MECHANISMS FOR THEM TO GET THEIR WATER.
WHAT WE'RE REQUIRING IS THAT THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF SYSTEM TO RECIRCULATE RECYCLE THE WATER.
AND THEY CAN, I THINK WE'RE ALSO SAYING THEY CANNOT PERMANENTLY UTILIZE THE DRINKING WATER THE TOWN PROVIDES.
BUT IF THERE'S FIRE, THEIR SPRINKLERS NEED TO PULL OUR WATER WATER DOWN.
WELL, IN TERMS OF PERMANENTLY UTILIZED PORTABLE WATER FOR INDUSTRIAL COOLING, THIS IS FOR THE COOLING MECHANISM TO COOL DOWN THE SERVERS.
IS THEIR PROCESS RIGHT IN OTHER THEY CAN'T KEEP, ARE YOU SAYING, DOES THAT SAY, JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THERESA, DOES THAT SAY THAT THEY CANNOT PERMANENTLY CONSTANTLY BE DRAWING WATER FROM THE TOWN WATER SUPPLY FOR THEIR INDUSTRIAL CORE? I MEAN, THERE WOULD BE LIMITATIONS AND THAT, THAT'S ALSO PART OF THAT UTILITY IMPACT ANALYSIS.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW HOW THEY'RE GETTING THEIR WATER, HOW MUCH WATER THEY'RE GOING TO USE.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EVALUATE THAT BASED ON OUR CAPACITY.
UM, WE'LL HAVE OUR ENGINEERS LOOK AT IT.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN YOU DON'T HURT IT.
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WATER A DATA CENTER USES? IT DEPENDS ON SIZE AND TYPE.SAME SIZE AND THE METHOD OF COOLING IT, IT'S METHOD OF COOLING.
THERE'S NOT JUST ONE STANDARD.
IT'S UNIQUE IRRESPECTIVE OF SIZE? NO, I MEAN THE, TO CENTERS FOR HIGH WATER USERS, LIKE THEY WERE LARGE CONSUMERS.
YEAH, THEY, TECHNOLOGY HAS ACTUALLY COME A LONG WAY AND THEY'RE A LOT MORE EFFICIENT TODAY THAN THEY WERE 15.
THE ORIGINAL DATA CENTERS HAD WATER TOWERS HAVE WATERFALLS POURING OVER IN ORDER TO COOL THE EQUIPMENT.
THAT THOSE, THEY DON'T DO THAT.
MAY FIND ONE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE THAT THOSE ARE ANCIENT.
SO NOW WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO THE BULK STANDARDS OF WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE.
UM, THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND SIZE STANDARDS, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT SHALL BE NO MORE THAN 75 FEET.
AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS ALLOWS FOR CRANE FLEXIBILITY, GRAVITY EQUIPMENT, MACHINERY, STORAGE, WAREHOUSING, VARIOUS, AND ALLOWING FOR VARIOUS MANUFACTURING PROCESSES.
THIS IS THE STANDARD HEIGHT IN OUR CURRENT I TWO ZONE.
SO A MANUFACTURING PLANT CAN COME IN AND BE 75 FEET TALL BY RIGHT.
IT'S STILL A BOX, THIS 75 FOOT TALL BOX.
THEY CAN BE A 75 FOOT TALL BOX AND THEN WE'RE LIMITING THE SIZE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT WOULDN'T EXCEED TWO AND A HALF ACRES, THREE ACRES, ACRES.
UM, WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN LIKE A MILLION SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER.
SO SOMEBODY MAY PUT UP TWO BUILDINGS ON THE LOT, BUT EACH BUILDING CAN'T BE MORE THAN A HUNDRED.
EACH BUILDING CANNOT EXCEED A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE.
EACH ONE WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED.
WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? GIVE PEOPLE A SENSE OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE CAN RECALL APPROXIMATELY? NO IDEA.
MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK IT UP HERE.
HAVE I'M ON THE GI IS IF THAT HELPS.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE WILL ALSO REQUIRE, UM, DIFFERENTIATED CIR UH, SURFACES, BUILDING FACADE MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S JUST, THEY CAN'T JUST BUILD A GIANT STEEL BOX THAT HAS TO HAVE SOME ARCHITECTURAL LIKE CHARACTERISTICS.
YOU NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS.
UM, YOU NEED TO HAVE JOGS IN THE BUILDING.
YOU NEED TO MAKE IT AT LEAST LOOK LIKE IT'S NOT
UM, AND THEN PARKING STANDARDS, STANDARD FORMULAS DON'T, THEY DON'T APPLY WELL, SO, UM, ONCE THEY START OPERATIONS, THE, THERE'S A LOT OF STAFF AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE DURING CONSTRUCTION, BUT ONCE THEY BEGIN YOU'VE GOT A LOT LESS, UM, PEOPLE.
SO ON THE PLUS SIDE, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT GENERATING A LOT OF TRAFFIC FOR OUR STREET, BUT, UM, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED GIANT PARKING AREAS AND YOU DON'T ALWAYS NEED A LOT OF LOADING AREAS.
THOUSAND SQUARE, IF YOU THINK OF JUST, IT'D BE LESS THAN 10 QUARTER ACRE BLOCKS PUT TOGETHER IN A SUBDIVISION.
THE QUARTER ACRE BLOCK, OVER 10,000 FEET PER SQUARE TOTAL.
AND JUST, JUST AN EASIER VISUALIZATION.
UM, SO THEN THIS SLIDE JUST REALLY TALKS, JUST KIND SHOWS YOU WHAT ELSE IS ALLOWED IN THE I TWO DISTRICT RIGHT NOW BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE MORE RESTRICTIVE ON THE DATA CENTERS AS FAR AS SETBACKS GO.
BUT OTHER USES THAT ARE BY SUP ARE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL STORAGE AND AUTOMOBILE GRAVEYARDS AND SCRAP METAL PROCESSING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THOSE ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED, THEY'RE ALLOWED AT SEVEN, FIVE FEET TALL.
WE DON'T HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FACADES FOR THEM TO BE ATTRACTED BUILDINGS IN ANY WAY.
UM, AND WE DON'T REGULATE THE DISTANCE TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY AS MUCH AS WE TEND TO BE REGULATING THE CASE AT THIS POINT.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? DO YOU WANNA START DIGGING INTO THE TEXT? I JUST QUICKLY ASK.
UM, I JUST PULLED UP THE ZONING MAP MM-HMM
AND IT SAID THAT LIKE THE DARK BLUE IS I TWO.
I THINK IT SAID YES, BUT ON LOOK ON HERE IT SAYS I TWO, BUT
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WHERE APTEX SAYS IT DOESN'T SAY I TWO.IS IT JUST 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ON THERE.
SO, OR, OR WELL, THIS WHOLE THING IS APTEX.
THIS PORTION IS I TWO, THIS PORTION, UM, IS MT D.
SO I THINK THERE ARE RESTRICTED COVENANTS ON THAT PORTION.
AND THEN THIS IS THE ONLY OTHER I TWO PROPERTY IN TOWN.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANNA LOOK AT THIS? UH, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
WITH THE SECTION THAT'S UP AGAINST THE RIVER.
YOU SAID THERE ARE COVENANTS ON IT.
WHEN I WAS WHERE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, OFF HAND WHERE MAY FIND THOUGH? JUST I CAN READ IT BECAUSE I WAS, I WAS LOOKING AT THE ZONING, UH, AMOUNT BEFORE AND HAD A GASP WHEN I REALIZED THAT THIS WAS THE CONSERVATION AREA THAT'S NEXT TO THE RIVER THAT OWNED I TOO, I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE HAVE THE ZONING ZONING MAP THAT IS NEVER, CAN NEVER BE BUILT ON.
WHAT IT, WHAT IT SAYS IT'S PERMANENTLY DAMAGED PROPERTY BECAUSE I CAN GET YOU NOT S ENVIRONMENTAL EASEMENT.
SO THE PART THAT'S IN THE COMP PLAN THAT LISTS THAT OUT.
SO ON THIS JUST YOU CAN NOTE I WON'T MAKE A MARK, BUT ESSENTIALLY FROM HERE DOWN YEAH.
THAT, THAT'S HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF ACRES.
IT'S ALL IN THE COMP PLAN LISTED AS CONSERVATION AREA.
'CAUSE IT CAN NEVER BE BUILT LINE IS IN LINE WITH THE COVENANTS THAT ARE, OR THE EASEMENT ON THAT.
SO EVEN IF A, IF SOME, IF A, UH, DATA CENTER OR ANY OTHER INDUSTRIAL USE WANTED TO COME IN AND BUILD IN THAT AREA, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT GIVEN THE, THEY WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH THOSE STANDARDS.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD EVEN BE FEASIBLE.
I THINK THAT AREA IS SUITABLE FOR TRAILS.
THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE NOT TRYING, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO, I JUST GOT WORRIED THAT IT'S I TOO AND SOMEONE TRYING TO STEP IN AND SAYING, WELL, THIS PROCESS CAN'T HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND SURE.
UM, FOR ANYTHING TO GET APPROVED ON THESE SITES.
SO LIKE THAT ONE, THERE'S A LESS CONTEND WITH THAT PORTION.
ONE, ONE THING I DO REMEMBER JUST FOR WORTH YEARS AGO WHEN THE FEC THINGS BEING CLEANED UP, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WAS AROUND HERE, YOU SOME PEOPLE, UM, THE EPA HAD A TABLE AT, I THINK IT WAS THE FESTIVAL LEAVES AND THEY WERE EXPLAINING EVERYTHING PUBLIC WHEN ASK QUESTIONS.
AND MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT WHOEVER WAS MAKING THE PRESENTATION SAID THAT NOTHING COULD EVER BE BUILT THERE DEEPER THAN TWO FEET.
SO SOMETHING THAT HAD A FOUNDATION LESS THAN TWO FEET WAS HYPOTHETICALLY, THEREFORE POSSIBLE.
NOW THAT MAY HAVE BEEN AT THE TIME, THAT MAY CHANGE WITH TIME, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THAT
IT'S GOT A, IT'S GOT A MEMBRANE UNDER UNDERGROUND.
IT'S GOT A BACKFILL AND BE SEALED.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PUNCTURE THAT THERE'S A BUBBLE UNDERGROUND THAT BUBBLE, THAT MEMBRANE.
I THINK IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IT'S NEO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MADE OF, BUT YOU CAN'T PUNCTURE THAT ABOVE.
SO THAT WHOLE CONSERVATION AREA, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT IT REALLY, THE ONLY THING THEY CAN REASONABLY BUILD ON IS A SMALL BLUE AREA HERE BELOW THE SOCCER FIELD.
AND THEN THE, THE VERY NORTHERN TIP OF IT IS ALSO NOT LABELED AS CONSERVATION IN THE CONTINENT.
AND THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S LIKE A, THAT'S AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, RIGHT? THEY HAVE TO TEAR SOME STUFF DOWN TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S CONCEIVABLE.
BUT YEAH, I GUESS THE BIGGEST TENSION TO THE I TWO IS UP IN HERE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THEN SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH AND DO A REZONING, UM, SOMEWHERE ELSE IN TOWN.
AND WHAT'S YOUR, WHEN YOU SAY UP IN HERE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE SHORES ROAD? THE INDUSTRIAL PARK? YEAH.
THAT'S THE ONLY AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S AT THIS POINT, THAT'S AN ONLY POINT.
NOW, HOWEVER, THE BIG GREEN ONLY FEASIBLE PLACE UNLESS WITHOUT A RESOUNDING YEAH.
RE RE BUT WE'RE ESTABLISHING THE BASELINE OF THE RULES NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU GET AN APPLICATION, YOU REVIEW THAT APPLICATION ON ITS MERITS.
LIKE IT'S, YOU LOOK AT THAT APPLICATION WHETHER OR NOT THAT APPLICATION IS ABOVE OKAY, MR. SO FAR.
UM, THE
UM, SO THIS IS GONNA BE WHERE THEY SUBMIT MITIGATION TECHNIQUES AND PLANS FOR NOISE TRAFFIC, THE VISUAL HEAT, AIR EMISSIONS.
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A LAND USE COMPATIBILITY ASSESSMENT WITH IT, WITH THEIR SURROUNDING AREAS.AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SITE DEVELOPMENT IS STILL, THEY NEED AT LEAST GET EACH OTHER, GONNA DEVELOP THE SITE.
UM, AND WE GET TO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AGAIN, AIR WATER QUALITY, STORM WATER, WATER QUALITY, UM, HABITAT IMPACT ASSESSMENT.
SO ARE THERE ENDANGERED SPECIES OF BATS OR BIRDS OR SOILS OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE AROUND HERE? UM, UM, LOOKING AT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, ANY SPILLOVER PREVENTION PLANS.
AND THEN I THINK THE MOST, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE FACILITY LIFECYCLE PLAN.
SO THAT IS WHAT IS THE LIFECYCLE OF THIS FACILITY WHEN IT OPENS, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT CAN'T BECOME A DATA OR IF IT'S NO LONGER GONNA BE A DATA CENTER, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH IT? HOW ARE THEY GONNA DECOMMISSION IT? UM, HOW IT'S GONNA BE DISPOSED OF RENOVATED OR CAN IT BE RENOVATED? SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THEY CONSTRUCT SOMETHING THAT IF THEY GO IN AND TAKE ALL THESE SERVERS, IT CAN BE EASILY RETROFITTED SOMEWHAT INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
HOW THEY'D HAVE TO PUT WINDOWS IN, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS ON THE DESIGN.
WHAT FUTURISTS ARE SAYING IS THAT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THERE WON'T BE DATA CENTERS ON EARTH.
WE'LL BE UP IN THE SKY, THERE'LL BE SATELLITE.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE 20 YEARS
50 YEARS, BUT 22 STILL THERE WILL BE.
DO YOU WANT START DIVING INTO THE TEXT? DO WE WANNA START DIVING INTO THE TEXT OR DO YOU WANNA PUT IT ON YOU? YOU HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION, THESE MANY WORK SESSIONS YOU'D LIKE.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN START PUTTING YOUR THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS TOGETHER.
WE CAN TAKE HIM UP IN THE TEXT, THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
I THINK STARTING TO GET INTO IT WOULD BE OKAY.
AT LEAST THAT'S MY OPINION ON THAT.
YOU GOT THE ENERGY, I MEAN, KIND OF JUST ABOUT THE LOW OFF OF BAND CYCLES AND THE VIBRATION AND STUFF.
IF YOU, UM, IT WOULD ALSO HELP YOU SEND, I KNOW WE CAN'T GO BACK AND FORTH IN TEXT, BUT WE CAN CREATE A, A EMAIL TO SEND EVERYBODY.
IT'S JUST WE DON'T ANSWER THAT.
OR YOU CAN JUST EMAIL STAFF OR EMAIL STAFF THAT GOES ON TO, UM, WHAT OR IDEA WHAT YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE.
IF YOU, WHEN YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH, YOU SAY, I, I SUGGEST THAT THIS BE THE REGULATION OR THIS BE THE WELL AND LET STAFF KNOW YOUR SOURCES AND RESEARCH.
SO THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
I DON'T LIKE DATA CENTERS
BUT, BUT THE RESEARCH THAT I WAS DOING, PROBABLY GO FIGURE.
BUT I WAS JUST LOOKING AT ALL OF THE KIND OF THE LOCAL AREAS, UM, THAT HAVE DATA CENTERS.
AND I WAS REALLY SHOCKED AT THE REVENUE STREAM THAT THEY PRODUCE FOR THE DIFFERENT TOWNS OR COUNTIES AT HOW SIGNIFICANT IT IS CAN BE OR IT CAN BE, RIGHT? THE REVENUE STREAM PROPORTIONAL TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND THE TYPE OF DATA CENTER, LIKE THE PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY, THEY PUT OUT THEIR REPORT LAST YEAR.
IT WAS LIKE JUST THE DATA CENTERS GENERATED LIKE $260 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE AND THAT CAME STRAIGHT FROM THEM.
AND I THINK THE STATE PUT OUT A REPORT, SO THEY GENERATE BILLION OR SOMETHING BILLION LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S MOSTLY, THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW IT'S MOSTLY ON THE, THE SERVERS OR THE ACTUAL EQUIPMENT WITHIN THE DATA CENTERS.
OH, REALLY? NOT NECESSARILY THE, YEAH.
SO I MEAN, LIKE PART OF ME IS LIKE FROM AN ECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE, IT MAY BE GREAT TO HAVE DATA CENTERS HERE, BUT NOT AT THE COST.
LIKE WHAT'S THE COST OF HAVING THEM HERE, YOU KNOW? AND IF THE COST IS, YOU KNOW, AND I IT LOOKS LIKE PRELIMINARILY, BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT TO THAT FROM ALL ASPECTS, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL.
WELL, AND THIS, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, UM, OF THIS BROKEN RECORD I KNOW IS THE LAND USE PORTION OF IT.
THAT, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STUDY.
THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING NO, THAT'S NOT, BUT THAT'S WHERE I STARTED.
TAXATION WILL BE STRUCTURED AND, AND THEN THERE'LL BE NEGOTIATIONS WHEN ONE'S BUILT BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS HAVE TO BE SOME GIVE AND TAKE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.
THERE ARE TON OF STUFF THAT COULD, SO I KNOW THIS, THIS HURT ME TOO, BECAUSE YOU KEEP GETTING ALL THIS INFORMATION.
FOCUS ON WHAT THE LAND, THE OTHER STUFF ISN'T ABOUT US.
WELL, WE FOCUS ON LAND USE, BUT THE TOWN COUNCIL THEN RESIDENTS AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING.
WELL, HOPEFULLY THEY, IN PARALLEL TO THIS, HOPEFULLY THE TOWN MANAGERS AND SO ON ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THEY HAVE A KNOWLEDGE GOING INTO, SO IF IT DID HAPPEN, THEY WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED.
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UM, FOR THE TEXT, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS OR POTENTIAL CONCERNS THAT I HAD.JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE MORE.
UM, UNDER THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING STANDARDS, UH, C FOR THE FIXTURE REQUIREMENTS, WHAT PAGE IS THAT? UH, THIS WOULD BE PAGE, OH SHOOT, UM, 54 IF YOU'RE ON THE REGULAR PAGE.
UM, IT SAYS PRIVATE SECURITY LIGHTING IS ALLOWED IF MOTION ACTIVATED AND LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 30 MINUTES PER ACTIVATION.
HOWEVER, IN UNDER THE PROHIBITIONS SECTION, UH, WHICH IS JUST FURTHER DOWN ON THAT PAGE, UNDER H UM, IT SAYS THAT THE SECURITY LIGHTING EXCEEDING STANDARD LIMITS MAY BE APPROVED IF LIMITED TO, UH, LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO FIVE MINUTES PER ACTIVATION.
SO ONE SECTION SAYS 30 MINUTES, THE OTHER SAYS FIVE.
WHAT WAS THE FIRST SECTION? I'M SORRY.
AND THE SECOND IS FIVE H UH, THREE B.
ONE IS, I THINK THAT THIS ONE IS, THIS CAME STRAIGHT OUT OF THE, UM, THE, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE REFERENCES FOR ALL OF THIS.
THIS, THIS CAME STRAIGHT OUT OF THE, THEIR CODE.
UM, I HAVE TO LOOK, I'D HAVE TO DIG UP.
AND ONE IS TALKING ABOUT FIX REQUIREMENTS OF THE CAPABILITY, AND THE OTHER ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE PROHIBITION.
SO JUST 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE CAPABILITY DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO OPERATE THAT WAY, BUT YOU'RE PERMITTED TO OPERATE UP TO 30 MINUTES, UH, OF THAT PRIVATE SECURITY LIGHTING.
BUT THERE'S ALSO SECURITY LIGHTING THAT'S ONLY LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES.
AND, AND IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING.
SO WHICH IS IT? WE REMEDY THAT.
UH, IT IT'S, IT'S IN CONTRADICTION.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE SOURCE AGAIN TO, TO TO LOOK AT THAT TO SEE EXACTLY.
I I SEE YOUR POINT THAT THAT GOES ON.
WHAT WAS THE SECOND REFERENCE? UM, IT'S FIVE H THREE B.
SO IN EFFECT IT'S REQUIRING THE FIXTURES TO BE ABLE TO BE ON FOR LESS, LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 30 MINUTES.
AND THEN IT'S PROHIBITING THEM FROM OPERATING AT FIVE MINUTES.
SO IT, IT'S MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES IS WHAT HE'S SAYING.
IT DOESNT SEEM LIKE IT'S SECURITY LETTING EXCEEDING STANDARD LIMITS MAY BE APPROVED IF LIMITED TO LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO FIVE MINUTES.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING ONE IS A FIXTURE REQUIREMENT OF WHAT THE FIXTURE IS CAPABLE OF DOING.
AT LEAST THAT'S, I RATED THE FIXER IS CAPABLE OF DOING THIS.
BUT IF YOU GET INTO ION, IT CAN'T, YOU CAN'T USE IT BECAUSE EXCEEDS MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S SAYING.
UM, I, I HEAR, I HEAR WHERE I HEAR WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
UM, BUT IT'S THE, THE LIGHTING IS ALLOWED, I MEAN, THERE'D BE NO POINT IN SAYING THE, THE FIXTURE, HOW LONG IT IS MOTION ACTIVATED, HOW LONG THE ACTIVATION LASTS IS GONNA BE PART OF THE SETTING THAT IS PLACED ON THE FIXTURE.
IT MIGHT NOT, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO ASK THE TOWN PEOPLE SINCE THIS IS THE CODE THEY'RE USING YEP.
OH, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WAS MADE UP.
THIS WAS SOMETHING UNDERSTAND.
SO COULD, COULD WE ASK, WE COULD DO IS I CAN EMAIL, EMAIL HIM AND ASK HIM THAT QUESTION.
IT WOULD BE A BETTER AUTHORITY THAN I
UNDER G FOR THE CONTROLS AND DIM DOWN REQUIREMENTS.
IT DOES HAVE THE DIMMING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 30 MINUTES OF FACILITY CLOSE.
UNLESS LIGHTING SUPPORTS ACTIVE OPERATIONS.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT A DATA CENTER IS ALWAYS OPERATING.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS THEM CLOSING.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT INSIDE LIGHTING.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING UNLESS THE LIGHTING SUPPORTS ACTIVE OPERATIONS, WELL THAT'S GONNA BE JUST UP TO THEM.
THEY CAN JUST HAVE IT ON 24 7 BECAUSE THEY'RE ALWAYS OPERATING.
SHOULD WE HAVE A DIM DOWN REQUIREMENT FOR THE NIGHTTIME? AND I UNDERSTAND WE DO HAVE LIGHT SHIELDING AND THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HELP PREVENT THAT POLLUTION GOING INTO OTHER PROPERTIES, BUT YOU'RE SEEING SOMETHING ANYWAY.
SO COULD WE HAVE A DIMMING REQUIREMENT? WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE OPERATIONAL AREAS OUTSIDE.
THEY MAY BE WORKING AFTER DARK AND THEY MAY BE MOVING THINGS AROUND.
WELL THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE PLAN THAT THAT'S EXPOSED.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UM, UH, CONVEY THAT THAT IS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO OPERATE.
SO IT'S JUST ALLOWING THEM TO DO THAT.
OR MAYBE JUST A REWORDING SO THAT IT WOULD READ SOMETHING LIKE, UM, UH, INSTEAD OF WHERE WAS AGAIN, WHERE IT SAID, UH, EXCEPT OUTDOOR, UM,
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WHERE IT SAID EXCEPT WHERE ACTIVE, WHAT SECTION WERE YOU DOING? IT'S, UH, 5G ONE.5G UNLESS LIGHTING ACTIVE OPERATIONS.
UNLESS IT'S ACTIVE OPERATIONS.
HOW ABOUT IF YOU PUT IN THERE ACTIVE SHORT TERM OUTDOOR OPERATIONS, LIKE DIGGING A HOLE OR REPAVING THE PARKING LOT OR SOMETHING.
BUT I, I, I, I HEAR, I MEAN YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE THIS AS, AS LESS AS LEAST SUBJECTIVE AS POSSIBLE.
I, I UNDERSTAND AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE BACK TO ANOTHER WORKED WITH THESE STANDARDS AND WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THEM PERHAPS.
OVERALL WE HAVE THESE REVIEWED BY, UM, THE TOWN STAFF.
IT IS, I AM NOT QUESTIONING THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT NOT AT THIS POINT.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT IT, IT ABSOLUTELY COULD BE LOOKED AT AS A GOOD POINT.
ABOUT OPERATIONS MIGHT SOLVE A PROBLEM.
ANYTHING THAT'S DONE NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH LIKE DARK SKY REQUIREMENTS.
WOULD WE ENTERTAIN THE IDEA THAT FOR WATER, THAT THEY JUST HAVE TO TRUCK IT ALL IN? IT ALL HAS TO BE RECYCLED FROM DAY ONE.
IF THEY WANNA USE WATER, IT'S NOT GONNA BE OURS.
I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE, WHY THERE WOULD BE AN ALLOWANCE FOR, FOR USING OURS, ACCEPTING FOR SAFETY.
AND OBVIOUSLY I WANT THEM BE ABLE TO DRINK, TAKE THE BUS, THE WATER, BUT UM, I JUST COMPLETELY RECYCLED WATER.
SO IF WE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, OF DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS, AGAIN, THERE'S NOT ANY CONCERN ABOUT THAT AFFECTING IT.
I MEAN, THIS YEAR WE'VE BEEN BLESSED PERHAPS TOO MUCH WITH RAIN.
BUT, UH, WHAT'S TO PREVENTED FROM BUYING THE WATER FROM THE TOWN IF IT IS RECYCLED WATER? IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUYING RECYCLED WATER.
LIKE IF THEY WANT TO BUY WATER OFF OF, YOU KNOW, DOES THE TOWN SELL RECYCLE WATER? NOT CURRENTLY.
SO THEN IT WOULD NOT HAVE ANY, ANY POTENTIAL IMPACT ON OUR WATER SYSTEM.
I MEAN, IF THEY HAVE OR HAVE TO REFILL OR HAVE AN AGREEMENT ALONG THOSE LINES, THIS JUST, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT AT ALL.
WORRY RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO IT WITH A PERMIT WHEN THEY'RE INITIALLY ESTABLISHING OPERATIONS ON THE KIT FOR, FOR POTABLE WATER.
THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THEY CAN DRAW IN.
AND THAT'S WITH THE PERMIT, BECAUSE I FORGOT THE EXACT WORD, BUT IS THEY'LL ARRANGE FOR THE TOWN FOR THAT TEMPORARY PERIOD WHEN WE'RE FIRST ESTABLISHING, IF WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A DROUGHT AND WE CAN'T SUPPLY IT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA USE THE PERMIT.
HOWEVER, UH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING, WHEN IT COMES TO THE INDUSTRIAL REUSE WATER COOLING SYSTEM, THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS THAT THAT IS HANDLED.
IN FACT, THEY ARE GONNA REQUIRE REFILLING AT CERTAIN TIMES.
AND BECAUSE THEN ALSO IN THE FIRST PART OF THAT, IT SAYS THAT IT'S THAT THEY CAN'T BE PERMANENTLY UTILIZING IT.
WELL, IT'S NOT PERMANENT IF THEY'RE JUST REFILLING ONCE A YEAR OR ONCE EVERY TWO MONTHS OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER THEIR FREQUENCY NEEDS TO BE.
THE WORDING RIGHT NOW DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO DRAW ON ANY MORE WATER OTHER THAN HELPING THEM OUT WHEN THEY FIRST GET STARTED.
THEY WOULD HAD TO FROM ANOTHER SOURCE.
NOW, COULD THEY PERMIT TO THE TOWN LATER ON IF THERE WAS PLENTY? I GUESS THAT'S POSSIBLE.
BUT THE, THE WORDING IS IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
JUST LET SOME GET ESTABLISHED AFTER THAT.
IF THEY'RE JUST TOPPING UP, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET IT FROM ANOTHER SOURCE, NOT PROBABLE WATER CAN.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS OUT THERE.
THEY COULD POTENTIALLY, THEY SAY OR MAKE A DEAL WITH THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT IF I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WOULD WORK, BUT THE WATER THEY'RE GETTING READY TO DUMP BACK IN THE RIVER, POSSIBLY USE THAT WATER.
WHY NOT JUST REQUIRE RECYCLED WATER FROM DAY ONE? I GUESS IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF, UM, REASONABLENESS AND BASIS THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I I, I RUN INTO IT.
UH, 'CAUSE THE POTABLE WATER CAME ABOUT FROM UM, KEEPING TO KEEP THEM FROM USING OUR DRINKING WATER TO RUN THEIR DAILY OPERATIONS.
SO WHERE THEY GET A SECOND SOURCE, IF THEY PERMIT FOR A WELL DROP FROM THE RIVER, BRINGING IN WITH A TRUCK OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THEM.
BUT REQUIRE A RECYCLING OR WE WE RECYCLING ON TOP.
IS THAT AN UNDUE BURDEN? AN UNREASONABLE BURDEN? IT, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I AGREE IS PULLING FROM, IS BEING ABLE TO PULL FROM THE RIVER AND UNDUE BURDEN ON THE TOWN.
THAT WOULD'VE, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DEQ PROCESS.
AND IF, IF YOU LOOK INTO WHAT IT TAKES TO PULL A RIVER FROM THE TOWN, IT HAS TO BE FILTERED, UM, PROCESS.
AND BEFORE PUTTING IT BACK INTO THE RIVER HAS TO BE IN A CERTAIN STATE AND IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE.
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SO YOU KNOW, WELL, AND THAT'S PUTTING IT BACK.BUT A LOT OF THIS IS GONNA EVAPORATE.
AND A LOT OF THE INDUSTRIAL COOLING NOT CLOSED SYSTEM.
WELL, DEPENDING ON HOW THE SYSTEM YEAH.
THERE, THERE'S VERY LITTLE EVAPORATION IN MODERN DATA CENTERS.
IT'S 'CAUSE IT IS ALL CLOSED SYSTEM COOLING.
AND WE GO INTO, YOU'LL HAVE CLOSED LOOP COOLING CLOSED SYSTEM.
THERE'S A DIFFERENT DIFFERENCE.
THERE'LL SAY CLOSED SYSTEM COOLING.
SO IT, IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.
WHERE THE WATER ENDS UP GETTING USED AGAIN MAINLY IS OCCASIONALLY THEY'LL WANT TO FLUSH THEIR SYSTEMS THAT COMES ALONG.
WELL THEN THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE MORE WATER DRAWN AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, AND THAT'S IN, IN THE CODE THERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TREAT THAT WATER ON SITE OR TAKE IT ELSEWHERE TO BE TREATED IN THAT
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE TIMES WHEN MORE WATER WILL BE USED.
BUT IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW, THEY CANNOT USE THE POTABLE WATER UNLESS THERE IS SOME OTHER, A BEAM THAT GOES WITH, UM, WITH THE TOWN.
IF WATER LEVELS ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE ENTERING WATER RESTRICTIONS AND BOTH RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN AND THE DATA CENTER NEED WATER, WHO GETS PRIORITY RESIDENTS IS THERE BECAUSE THEY CAN, OTHER THAN FOR FLUSHING TOILETS, I GUESS THEY HAVE THE SAME AS I WOULD HOPE SO.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND YOU SET WHATEVER RESTRICTIONS YES.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, AND I THINK THAT TRYING TO YEAH.
PROTECTING THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN.
IF WE'RE IN WATER RESTRICTIONS, THEY ALL GET WATER FIRST.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, DATA CENTERS OR POTENTIALLY OTHER INDUSTRY, THEY ARE SECOND TO OUR FAMILIES.
IT'S GOING BEYOND THE DATA CENTER DISCUSSION.
NOW WE'RE GONNA SAY WE'RE, BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S HERE AND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
BUT NOW WE'RE BACK TO I I I, MY ARGUMENT MM-HMM
I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT THE, IF WE'RE PUTTING A RESTRICTION, IT IS THAT THE PEOPLE, THE TOWN HAVE PRIORITY OVER THIS.
IT'S NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT A, YOU KNOW, ONE BUSINESS VERSUS ANOTHER.
BUT IF WE'RE NOT ENTERTAINING THE IDEA OF RECYCLED WATER ONLY, THEN HOW DO WE PROTECT PEOPLE WHEN BOTH THE BUSINESS AND THE FAMILIES NEED WATER AT THE SAME TIME? UH, IT, IT IS A GOOD ARGUMENT, BUT I TO TO IMPLEMENT IT, WE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY IT TO EVERYBODY.
EVERY, EVERY BUSINESS TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO USE RECYCLED WATER ABOVE CERTAIN, SO BY RIGHT USES REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ARE.
IF YOU'RE IN TOWN, RIGHT, THIS SPECIALTIES PERMIT, IF THERE'S SOME OVERRIDING RESTRICTION DUE TO SHORTAGE, THEN IT DEPENDS ON HOW THAT ORDINANCE IS WORDED.
BUT OUTSIDE OF THERE BEING, UH, AN EMERGENCY RESTRICTION, REGARDLESS OF THE USE, YOU GET WATER.
IF YOU'RE IN TOWN, PUT A RESTRICTION ON THE SEP THAT SAYS NOW, NOW, YEAH.
IN TIMES OF WATER CONSERVATION, THEY MAY NOT OR SHALL NOT DRAW.
NOW IF YOU'RE, AGAIN, IF WE'RE DEALING WITH AN SUP WHERE YOU HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS FOR RESTRICTING THE ABILITY TO GET, UH, WATER THROUGH THE TOWN SYSTEM, THEN THAT'S FINE.
BUT AS WORDED RIGHT NOW, OTHER THAN INITIALLY STARTING UP, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE TOWN SYSTEM OTHER THAN FLUSHING TOILETS AND DRINKING WATER.
THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S FOR POTABLE WATER.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT SAYS THEY WOULDN'T BE, BE ABLE TO USE THE WATER HADN'T BEEN TREATED YET.
THIS WOULD BE THEM PULLING FROM THE RIVER SUCH, WHICH IS, I MEAN GIVEN THAT THE, WHERE THE RIVER LEVELS ARE, WHAT DICTATE WHEN WE GO INTO RESTRICTIONS, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT COULD ALSO THEN DICTATE WHEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PULL IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IF THEY'RE PULLING NON-POTABLE WATER, BUT THEY'RE NOT PULLING RIVER WATER, THAT'S BY SEPARATE DEQ THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN, OUTSIDE OF OUR SYSTEM.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD EVEN HAVE, THEY USE THEM AS THEM HAVING TO SET UP THEIR OWN WATER TREATMENT PLAN, GET RIVER WATER.
THEY'D HAVE TO SET UP THEIR OWN WATER TREATMENT PLANT FIRST THEY HAVE TO GET AN ALLOCATION, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM DEQ AND THEN THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL THOSE REGULATIONS AND UH, WE CAN GIVE IT TO THE SITE
AND YOU KNOW, IN THE TIME THAT WE HAVE, I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK INTO THAT.
IT, IT'S NOT AN EASY DO AND JUST LIKE DRAWING WELL WATER.
IT'S NOT JUST DRILL WELL AND DRAW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO GO GO INTO IT.
THE, THE ARGUMENT AND THEIR, UM, PART OF WHAT TRY TO WORD INTO THIS IS TO ENCOURAGE INNOVATIVE THINGS IN THE COOLING.
AND THAT'S, UM, THAT'S, I TALKED WITH LAUREN BEFORE THE REASON POTABLE WATER WAS USED AND INSTEAD SPECIFYING CLOSED, UM, LOOP COOLING.
UM, BECAUSE CLOSED LOOP COOLING CARRIES A CONNOTATION OF THE MOST ENERGY INTENSIVE WAY THAT THEY COULD
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COOL THE DATA CENTER.WHAT I WANTED TO GO WITH WAS CLOSED SYSTEM COOLING, I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY IT, BUT COULD SAY TOGGLE WATER, WHICH PUSHES THEM TO CLOSED SYSTEM COOLING, WHICH CAN INCLUDE, CAN INCLUDE GREEN WAVES OF DOING PORTIONS OF THE COOLING EITHER IN COLD WEATHER, PULLING COLD AIR GROUND LOOPS OF, UM, OF, UH, WATER THAT THEN GOES TO A TANK WHERE THE, THE FLUID IS PRE-COOL THROUGH ANOTHER, ANOTHER LOOP JUST TO ENCOURAGE THAT SORT OF THING TO GO, TO GO ALONG WITH IT.
SO IF WE NARROW 'EM DOWN AND SAY USE RECYCLED WATER ONLY, WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT INNOVATION AND WE'RE BUYING THE TOWN.
SO ANYWAY, THAT WAS THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE THOUGHT PRESS PROCESS THAT WENT INTO WHY JUST PORTABLE WATER WITHOUT PUTTING AN UNREASONABLE BURDEN ON THEM, THEY DON'T USE THAT MUCH WATER.
AND IT WOULD BE FOR, FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER, IF THEY HAD TO BRING A TANKER IN, UM, ONCE A MONTH, IT'D BE NO BIG DEAL IF THAT WAS THE CASE, WHATEVER SOURCE THEY GET THE WATER FROM.
SO WHEN YOU SAID THEY DON'T USE THAT MUCH WATER, IS THEY, WHY IS IT THAT THEY HAVE THE RECORD? THE DATA CENTERS HAVE THE REPUT REPUTATION.
'CAUSE THE OLDER ONES, THE OLDER ONES DID USE SO MUCH.
WE, WE ARE SUFFERING FROM THE HISTORY OF THE DATA CENTER.
WELL, I'LL SAY WE'RE SUFFERING FROM HISTORY AND WE'RE BENEFITING FROM THE SAME TIME BECAUSE WE CAN GO OUT AND LOOK AT ALL THE LESSONS LEARNED AND MISTAKES THAT THEY MADE.
WE, WE, AND SO I DESCRIBED THOSE WATER, THEY LITERALLY LOOKED ROOMS THERE, YOU KNOW, FOUR TIMES THE CEILING HEIGHT THAT HAD A WATERFALL GOING OVER THE TOP OF IT FOR THE COOLING.
AND, AND THEY WERE TERRIBLY WASTEFUL AND WE HAD A LOT OF THE OPERATION WENT ON AND THAT'S HOW THEY ORIGINALLY WERE COOLED.
BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S, UH, RARE NOW.
AND ALL THE OLDER ONES POTABLE WATER.
ANYWAY, THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASONING WHY POTABLE WATER WAS USED AND, AND THINKING OF BOTH THE, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO INNOVATE AND TO, TO MAXIMIZE.
SO BY SAME TOKEN, I DON'T WANT TO PUSH THEM INTO SOMETHING TO USE THE MOST ELECTRICITY THEY POSSIBLY CAN.
WE WANT WANT THEM TO STEER AWAY FROM THAT IF WE CAN.
I MEAN, SO ANYWAY, THAT WAS A THOUGHT PROCESS AND EXACTLY WHY THAT WORD WAS CHOSEN.
WELL I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU GOING INTO MORE DETAIL THEN.
UH, IF THEY HAVE ANY WATER OUTFLOWS GOING BACK OUT OF IT, IS THAT JUST STANDARDS FROM THE DEQ OR IS THAT ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE A SAY OR IMPACT ON LIKE THE WATER THEY'RE PUTTING BACK SOMEWHERE? WELL, WHEREVER THEY, WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR STANDARDS FOR WASTEWATER.
YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T JUST DUMP ANYTHING YOU WANT IN TOWN.
I MEAN I FIGURED I DIDN'T SEE IT HERE.
THEY HAVE TO PROCESS IT ON ONSITE OR TRUCK IT OFFS.
THEY CAN'T JUST DUMP DOWN CODE.
WAS IT IN THIS OR WAS IT DIFFERENT PLACE OF CODE HERE SYSTEM? WHY DO THEY HAVE TO CHANGE? WHAT IF IT'S A CLOSED SYSTEM? 'CAUSE THEY CAN REALLY CAL THAT.
IT'S, IT IS AN IMPERFECT YEAH.
YOU KNOW, CLOSED LOOPS OR REALLY IMPERFECT.
YOU, YOU ASK THEM THERE CAN BE IMPURITIES AND SO THEN IN ORDER TO, IF THEY HAVE TO GET RID OF ALL THEIR WATER AT ONE TIME, THAT MEANS THEY HAVE TO SHUT DOWN FOR OH, ABSOLUTELY.
SO THEN THEY DO HAVE TO SHUT DOWN AT SOME POINT IF THEY REPLACE, WELL GENERALLY THESE THINGS HAVE MORE THAN ONE COOL EAT SYSTEM.
THEY'LL HAVE A BACKUP IF, IF YOU GO, THAT GETS INTO THE AVAIL AVAILABILITY OF THE DATA CENTER.
IF THEY'RE ONE OF THE ONES THAT 0.9 OR 99.999% AVAILABILITY.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE BACKUP SYSTEMS. SO YOU MAY HAVE MORE THAN ONE COOL ONE CHILLER SYSTEM INSTALLED AND THEY, THE EFFECT THAT IT WOULD HAVE FOR THEM TO HAVE EVEN JUST A COUPLE MINUTES OF TRULY BEING SHUT DOWN WOULD BE WHAT REALLY WIDESPREAD.
SO YEAH, THERE IS LIQUID AND SOLID WASTE REGULATIONS AND THE REGULAR I TWO, IT WOULD STILL APPLY.
NO INDUSTRIAL SHALL RESULT IN DISCHARGE OF LIQUID OR SOLID WASTE DEMANDING PUBLIC WATER, SEWER, PRIVATE SEWER SYSTEM, PUBLIC ORDERS OR INTO THE GROUND IN COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE FAITH, FEDERAL, STATE AND LOSS OF THE DISCHARGE.
AND LET'S SEE, I FIND CHAPTER 1 34 OF TOWN CODE.
THERE'S A LOT OF ADDRESS, UM, WHAT CANNOT GO IN THE SEWER.
DO YOU SEE THAT THERE? YOU SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? SHALL WE REQUIRE A GREEN ROOF? WOULD YOU LIKE TO REQUIRE A GREEN ROOF?
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I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S IT, IT COULD VERY WELL BE SOMETHING BENEFICIAL.THEY WOULDN'T A BUNCH OF STUFF UP THERE TOO MUCH.
WATER AND WASTE WATER ASSESSMENT THAT GOES ON.
WATER TREATMENT PLAN FOR RECYCLED WATER AND OTHER FLUIDS AS PART OF THAT, UM, OF THE, UM, DATA CENTER IMPACT ANALYSIS OF UTILITY IMPACT ANALYSIS, THE PLAN FOR HOW THEY WERE GONNA HANDLE THE RECYCLED WATER, UM, IN THE APPROVAL.
SO JUMPING TO A DIFFERENT SECTION IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM, IN THE, UH, UTILITY IMPACT ANALYSIS ON THE APPROVAL CONDITION, UM, IT TALKS ABOUT HAVING ACCEPTABLE PLANS AND FUNDING IN PLACE FOR UPGRADES FUNDED BY THE APPLICANT'S.
WHAT LETTER ARE YOU? UH, SORRY.
WOULD THIS, WOULD THERE BE, UH, AN APPROPRIATE, HOW DO I PUT THIS? WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE OR ACCEPTABLE TO HAVE ANY, UH, REQUIREMENTS, SUGGESTIONS, OR, UH, CONDITIONS TALKING ABOUT FUNDING FOR THE FUTURE REPLACEMENT OF, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE.
LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT THINGS ARE AGING, IT'S, THERE ARE AREAS OF THE TOWN OBVIOUSLY NOT CONNECTED TO THIS PARTICULAR, BUT IF THESE BUILDINGS TEND TO BE A RELATIVELY SIGNIFICANT DRAW ON EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR LOCALITY, WHETHER THAT'S ELECTRICITY, UH, AT TIMES, WATER, SO ON AND SO FORTH, IF WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS MORE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT OVER TIME, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO SAY, IF YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TODAY, THAT'S GREAT, BUT WHEN WE GO THEN HAVE TO UPGRADE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HELP US WITH THAT DOWN THE LINE.
IN OTHER WORDS, TO PUT IN A REQUIREMENT TO GET GO THAT WHEN THEY COME TO THE POINT IN TIME, HOWEVER MANY YEARS OR DECADES OUT, IT IS THAT THEY SHARE THE COST WITH THE TOWN THAT THEY, THEY, THEY BOTH PARTICIPANT TWO THAT COST IN SOME FORM OR FASHION BECAUSE THEIR IMPACT ON HER, IS THAT A LAND USE ITEM? CAN WE ACTUALLY PUT SOMETHING? IS THERE A, I HAVE THIS COMMENT.
SO EARLIER I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN TOWN, YOU GET WATER.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE TOWN WILL GET THE WATER TO YOU.
SO IF YOU, IF FACILITIES ARE REQUIRED TO, TO GET THE WATER TO YOUR SITE, THAT'S ON YOU.
THAT, THAT, WELL, I, I DON'T WANT TO, I WANT BE CAREFUL NOT TO MAKE A BLANKET STATEMENT, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, UM, IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK IT'S ON THE DEVELOPER.
YOU JUST SAYING THEY'RE GOING ALONG THERE, DRAWING, I'LL JUST PULL THE NUMBER OUT OF HERE.
IT JUST PULLS SOMETHING OUT THE AIR AND LATER ON THEY SAY, WELL, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE 55, BUT THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SO LIKE, THEY WOULD NEED TO PAY TO ANY SUBSTATIONS TO PROVIDE THEM POWER.
THE TOWN'S NOT EATING THAT COST.
THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL, ANY, ANY DEVELOPER, ANY COMPANY DOES TO PAY FOR MORE.
ARE YOU SAYING, LET'S JUST SAY FRONT ROYAL WANTS TO DO SOME KIND OF PARTICULAR ENHANCEMENTS OR UPGRADES TO, TO OVERALL TOWN INFRASTRUCTURE? I WAS THINKING WE MAY, LIKE, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT EITHER OR IN THAT SITUATION, IF THEY NEED TO UPGRADE THEIR OWN SITUATION, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT IF WE ALSO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE A SIGNIFICANT AND EVERYDAY IMPACT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS SPECIAL USE, THEN IF THE TOWN NEEDS TO UPGRADE AND PART OF THE REASON IS BECAUSE OF THE
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DRAW THAT THEY HAVE, THEN WOULD IT NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO ASK THEM TO HELP WITH THAT SITUATION WHEN WE GET TO IT? THE ANSWER IS YES, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.SO DOES THAT BELONG HERE OR IS THAT BELONG IN THE NEGOTIATED CONTRACT THAT THE DATA CENTER WISCONSIN? UM, IT'S, UH, I I I DON'T THINK IT BELONGS HERE.
YEAH, BECAUSE I, I I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
CAN'T SIT HERE CITE THE AUTHORITY FOR IT.
IF, IF WE, UM, OKAY, IF WE, UM, THEY WANT TO DO THE UPGRADE OR ANY BUSINESS WANTS TO UPGRADE AND THEY, THEY, THERE'S NOT THE CAPACITY THERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE.
WELL SURE THAT'S THE INCREASED.
THE BUSINESS WOULD ALWAYS HAVE, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN THE TOWN HAS TO, HAS TO DO THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE WORK.
I I WHAT COMES TO MIND IS THE PROPER AND THAT SORT OF THING WHERE WE CAN'T, CAN'T THERE TO BE AN ESSENTIAL MAXUS AND YEAH, IT IS.
WE CAN'T, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THERE.
BUT IT CERTAINLY COULD BE ENCOURAGED IN THE CONTRACT TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.
I JUST DON'T, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY WAY TO PUT IT IN HERE.
WELL THAT WOULD BE DOWN THE ROAD.
WELL AGAIN, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE TOWN MANAGER, YOU KNOW, THINK THINKING AHEAD A GEORGE PROBLEM.
YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS. WE HAVE, WE JUST CAN'T CITE THE AUTHORITY RIGHT NOW, BUT IT, IT'S OUTSIDE.
NO, THERE'S SO MANY LAYERS TO THIS AND WE'RE JUST DOING THE LAND USE LAYER AND, AND OH YEAH, I CAN BURY YOU ON A LOT OF OTHER DATA TOO.
BURY JUST QUESTIONS THAT I HAD AND READING THROUGH IT AND JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MORE OF, OF THE SITUATION.
SO NO, AND WHEN THE TIME COMES AND NEGOTIATE THOSE CONTRACTS, WE NEED SOME SMART PEOPLE TO DO IT MAY BE MORE EFFECTIVE IS PUTTING YOUR QUESTIONS TOGETHER AND SENDING IT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE TIME TO BEST RESEARCH IT, TALK ABOUT SESSION.
AND SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA SESSION.
SO WE'LL CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WATCHING THE RECORDING OF THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY, I WILL NOT BE HERE IN SEPTEMBER OR AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST, FOR THE WORK SESSION OF SEPTEMBER.
I UNDERSTAND THE BETTER ROUTE WOULD GENERALLY BE, HEY, HERE'S THIS.
WE'RE LOOK AT THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO WRITE 'EM DOWN AND SEND YOUR STUFF IN.
I MEAN WELL YES, BECAUSE IT WILL BE ADDRESSED.
AND I WILL, I WILL DEFINITELY DO THAT.
I JUST WANNA GET SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK AND UNDERSTANDING SO I'M NOT THROWING A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT END UP BEING LIKE, HEY, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WE CAN EVEN TALK ABOUT REALLY.
UM, SO I I APPRECIATE THE TIME.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE TO I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION
THIS IS KIND OF A WRAP QUESTION.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE FACILITY OF LIFECYCLE PLAN, I'M VERY GLAD TO SEE THAT ONE.
THE THINK I WAS SO CONCERNED ABOUT WAS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN THE BOXES IS NEEDED ANYMORE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF UNIQUE FOR OURS TOO.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO SEE.
I THINK, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESTORATION OR DISPOSAL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLANS REPURPOSING, DEMOLITION, REHAB.
UM, IF THEY SAY, HEY, AS LONG AS WE CAN REMOVE THE SERVERS, THEN SOME OTHER INDUSTRY CAN MOVE IN.
I MEAN, IS THERE A, ARE THERE STANDARDS OR THINGS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT IN TERMS OF YOUR PLAN IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
DO WE HAVE STANDARDS TO GO BACK TO? IF THEY DECOMMISSION IT, SHUT IT DOWN FULL, THE SERVERS OUT AND WE'RE LEFT WITH THE SHELL OF A BUILDING, WHOEVER WANTED TO PURCHASE THAT WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND WE'D HAVE TO EVALUATE NEW USE APPROPRIATE OR WHETHER OR NOT THAT PARTICULAR SITE WORKS FOR THAT.
AND THAT BE FOR THE, THIS GIVES US AN IDEA OF HOW ARE YOU GONNA TAKE THIS APART? HOW ARE YOU JUST LEAVING TO SHOW? BUT CAN YOU
I FORGOT
THAT'S A, THAT'S A WHOLE SIDE.
IT IS A WHOLE SIDE DISCUSSION.
SO ONE HAVING TO DO WITH POWER AND A SQUARE METER OF AIR FOR ZERO BV AS OPPOSED TO THRESHOLD HEARING.
YOU GUYS AREN'T NECESSARILY CONCERNED WITH PHYSICS.
LOOKING FORWARD TO NEXT, NEXT BOOK SESSION.
SO IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, SEND THEM TO LEARN.
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OKAY.DO YOU MIND SENDING THEM THE WHOLE GROUP SO THAT WE ALL SEE THE QUESTIONS? WE CAN'T RESPOND JUST TO THE QUESTION, BUT IF YOU SEND QUESTIONS TO STAFF, IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE THEM, I'LL SEND THEM OUT TO EVERYBODY.
YEAH, BUT JUST START WITH SENDING 'EM TO CONNIE AND I.
THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING WAY WE CAN AVOID THE VIOLATING THE MEETING RULE.
I WAS LOOKING UP SQUARE FOOTAGES TO YOUR QUESTION.
TOWN HALL IS UM, 20,706 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN I THE RANDOLPH MACON ACADEMY, THE BUILDING THAT'S GOT THE DOME ON IT AND THEN THE SIDE SIX JET DOWN.
IT'S LIKE A U-SHAPE THAT'S 85,956 SQUARE FEET.
I LOOKED AT THAT AND THAT NOW I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.
BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE A MANUFACTURING.
I BELIEVE IT WAS OVER A HUNDRED.
OH, THEY'RE OVER A HUNDRED I BELIEVE.
UM, I CAN PROBABLY GET BACK THERE.
I WILL JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THINGS.
UM, 1326 PROGRESS DRIVE RANDOLPH MACON PLUS TOWN HALL EQUALS THAT
THAT 30 MAXIMUM SIZE REQUIRE THE CE HOME STUDY FOUR.
THEY'RE PROBABLY APPROXIMATELY THE SAME.
I WENT ON THE GIS AND I COULDN'T FIND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE ASSESSMENT LINK AND THEN IT'LL TAKE YOU TO IT.
AND THE ONLY I TWO THAT THEY CAN USE IS OUT THERE IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK.
I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THEM RUNNING THE LINE TO PULL FROM THE RIVER 1330 PROGRESS DRIVE, WHICH IS WILLIAMS BROTHERS.
UM, AND THAT IS REZONING THE SECTION CLOSER TO THE RIVER.
THE OLD, WELL THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS CURRENTLY INDUSTRIAL PARK.
SO TWO OF THOSE 1330 PROGRESS DRIVE.
TWO OF THOSE IS, THAT'S WILLIAMS. THAT'S WILLIAMS BROTHERS.
AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND CAME ABOUT.
RESILIENT COMP PLAN HAS ALL OF THIS AS INDUSTRIAL.
DATA CENTERS THAT'S NOT DESIRABLE WOULD BE WRONG.
I MEAN THERE ARE OTHER USES, BUT THOSE REQUIRE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHAT'S THE PLAN IN THE HISTORY HERE IS COUPLE THOSE GREEN SPACES, THOSE FIGURES.
THE PROBLEM WITH THOSE IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
AND THAT'S WHY THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR, WHICH WAS THE RAILROAD TRACK, PROBABLY HERE, EAST WEST CONNECTOR STARTED MAKE EAST WEST CONNECTOR WAS THE HERE.
BUT THAT, AND SO THAT'S, IT'S KIND OF TOO, YEAH, THAT.
ARE WE DONE WITH THE MEETING? WE HAVE ANY MORE? IF ANYBODY ELSE TO SET? IF NOT THERE ANY MOTIONS FOR AJOUR? WE'RE HAVING SUCH A GOOD TIME.
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? YEAH, SURE.
DO ANY OF IT, DO WE WANNA SPLIT SOME OF THIS UP TO SAY, OKAY, YOU FOCUS ON DBC, YOU FOCUS ON DO WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR IS THAT TOO COMPLIC? WELL, UH, WHO, UM, IF I WOULD ASK WHO POSED THE QUESTION TO HELP WITH THE RESEARCH IS WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING.
YOU POSED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE DBH OR YOU OH YEAH.
I, I'M CERTAINLY GOING TO LOOK INTO IT AS WELL.
YEAH, I'M GONNA LOOK INTO SOME OF THAT STUFF TOO.
BUT IT WAS LIKE, IT WAS A LITTLE OVERWHELMING.
I HAVE TO SAY I DID NOT APPROACH THIS WELL.
AND I WAS LIKE, AR ENGINEER, BALL TRADE, MASTER OF NONE, YOU KNOW? NO, I UNDERSTAND.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE LIKE WHAT OTHER PLACES HAVE DONE WITH HISTORICAL STUFF.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE VOLUNTEERING TO TAKE THE SOUND.
ALSO REMEMBER WHEN YOU GET AN APPLICATION, THAT'S WHEN WE WILL START DIGGING INTO THAT'S TRUE.
WE WANNA BE SPECIFIC TO A POINT.
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THE BASELINE.YOU CAN'T GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE.
WE'LL NEVER GET OUT OF, LET'S GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE.
ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
I'LL ALSO LOOK INTO THE STUFF.