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[Town Council Work Session on July 7, 2025.]
I'M GONNA CALL THE FRONT TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, JULY 7TH TO ORDER.MS. LEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKWELL.
COUNCILWOMAN DEMON PAYNE? HERE.
WE ARE HOPING, I'M NOT TRYING TO JINX THIS.
SO, UM, FIRST UP IS NEW BUSINESS.
IT'S THE DEED OF EASEMENT FROM GREEN PEARL HOSPITALITY, LLC TO THE TOWN FOR PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER EASEMENTS FOR TOWN WATER AND SEWER FACILITY SERVING TAX MAP 12 J DASH TWO.
AND MR. SONNET, I BELIEVE THAT IS YOUR AGENDA ITEM, RIGHT? THANK YOU.
UM, I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD TO THE SUMMARY.
THIS IS A COMMERCIAL USER IN THE CORRIDOR.
UM, SO PURSUANT TO THE CORRIDOR OR AGREEMENT, UM, THE TOWN AGREES TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER.
SO WHAT THIS IS A ROUTINE MATTER TO, UM, ENSURE THAT THE TOWN'S WATER AND SEWER FACILITIES, INCLUDING WATER METER IS IN AN EASEMENT, BE AT EASEMENT, SUCH THAT THE TOWN CAN MAINTAIN ITS FACILITIES.
UM, AND YEAH, I REALLY DON'T THINK I HAVE
AND IT'S A COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S A COMMERCIAL USER IN THE CORRIDOR, RIGHT? SO COMMERCIAL USER, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN THAT'S ALL PART OF THAT CORRIDOR AGREEMENT.
SO THAT'S NOT REALLY, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, UM, SOME THINGS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US LATELY THAT WERE INDUSTRIAL, NOT COMMERCIAL.
AND THAT'S WHY COUNCIL HAD MORE OF A, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS NEEDS, ACCESS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH THIS.
SO DOES ANYBODY ON COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? AND I CAN JUST ADD BRIEFLY THAT STATE LAW REQUIRES LOCALITIES TO ACCEPT ANY INTEREST IN REAL ESTATE FORMALLY, EXCEPT SO WHY? IT'S ON FOR A VOTE, UM, ATTACHED TO THE EASEMENT OR A COUPLE OF, WELL, IT'S THE, THE PLAT, UM, SHOWING JUST THE EASEMENTS.
AND THEN BEHIND THAT IS THE UTILITY PLAN WITH THE EASEMENTS OVERLAID ON UTILITIES, WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT TO, FOR EAT.
IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, THEN IT COULD GO TO THE JULY MEETING, RIGHT? MS. PRESLEY? MM-HMM
THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? SO WE JUST PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
SO ITEM TWO B IS A REZONING APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY STEVEN C. WILLIAMS, CLASS FIVE VACANT BOX ONE ELSE SEE DRAWING.
AND WARREN IS GONNA BE, UM, PRESENTING THAT FOR US.
AND SO THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION FOR ABOUT, UH, 2.8 ACRES.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT OWNS THREE PARCELS, SO THE TWO THERE IN YELLOW.
THEN THE, UM, ALSO THE RED PIECE.
UM, LEMME SEE THE ACREAGE HERE.
IT DOES COME OUT TO ABOUT TWO POINT, ABOUT 2.8.
UM, AND RIGHT NOW THOSE PIECES ARE ZONED C ONE, SO COMMERCIAL, BUT JUST ADJACENT TO THAT IS R THREE ZONING.
SO THEY'RE REQUESTING TO GO FROM THE C ONE DOWN TO THE R THREE.
UM, THEIR STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION STATED THAT THIS WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
UM, AND THAT ADDITIONALLY THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO POTENTIALLY ADD MORE UNITS, EITHER ADD ON TO THE RETIREMENT FACILITY IF, UM, THEY MARKET THIS OR THEY COULD DO SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE.
UM, SO THIS ONE'S PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF FOR APPROVAL.
SO IN THE C ONE DISTRICT, IT IS FOR BUSINESS USES, COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, BUT TYPICALLY THESE ARE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT TOUCH MAJOR ROADS OR HIGHWAYS WITHIN TOWN.
UM, THIS LAND IS NOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A ROAD AND THERE ARE TOPOGRAPHY ISSUES THAT WOULD LIMIT COMMERCIAL VIABILITY.
SO IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP THIS IN A COMMERCIAL CAPACITY.
UM, AND IT DOES FEEL APPROPRIATE THAT, UM, THE R THREE ZONING DESIGNATION COULD BETTER SUIT
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POTENTIAL USES OF THIS PROPERTY.SO WHEN WE GOT THE APPLICATION IN, WE ROUTED THIS TO WARREN COUNTY AS PER OUR 2005 AGREEMENT.
UM, WE RECEIVED MINIMAL COMMENTS, UM, BUT THE APPLICANT CHOSE, CHOSE NOT TO OFFER ANYTHING AND THE COUNTY DID COME BACK AND STATE THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO RUN THE FISCAL IMPACT MODEL AND THAT THEY DIDN'T SEE ANY, UM, ANY IMPACT AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND THEN OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND ENERGY SERVICES HAD NO CONCERNS.
UM, IT IS SUPPORTED BY OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH DOES CALL FOR THIS FEE IN RESIDENTIAL USE IN THE FUTURE, UM, NOT COMMERCIAL USE.
AND WHAT STAFF DID DO IS JUST BASED ON THE AREA, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF PLANNING COMMISSION'S INFORMATION, UM, WE CALCULATED THE POTENTIAL MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS YOU COULD SEE ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THE APPLICANT DIDN'T SUBMIT A CONCEPT OR HAVE A CLEAR VISION OF WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE THAT THEY WANT TO JUST GET THE REZONING OUT AND, AND, UM, SO THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TOWN HOMES WOULD BE 27.4.
TYPICALLY OUR TOWN HOMES ARE, YOU HAVE BLOCKS EIGHT, YOU COULD HAVE FEWER BUT, UM, 27 TOWN HOMES OR IF YOU TOOK THE ENTIRE FOUR ACRES, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GET 42.
UM, BUT WHAT WE DID WAS, UM, WE REDUCED 25% BECAUSE OF TOPOGRAPHY AND JUST ISSUES RELATED TO SITE DEVELOPMENT.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, I MEAN YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT WHAT ISN'T WHEN THEY'RE DOING AN ASSESSMENT AROUND THE PROPER ISSUE, ISN'T IT BASED ON, ON WHAT KIND OF BUILDING THEY'RE PUTTING IN THERE AND THE ESTIMATE OF THE FAMILIES? I MEAN, WHY WOULD THEY, WHY WOULD THEY NOT BE ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? I THINK THAT THE MODEL BEING AS OLD AS IT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE THE MODEL'S GIVING ACCURATE NUMBERS AND THE APPLICANT DIDN'T SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO COUNT X NUMBER OF UNITS OF THIS TYPE.
SO IT MADE IT DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE.
UM, SO, AND THEY'RE VOLUNTARY.
AND ARE WE STILL MEETING MAYOR? RIGHT? IS THERE STILL HAVING LIKE A LITTLE MEETING AROUND WHERE WEREN'T YOU GUYS MEETING AT ONE POINT WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND WHEN THERE WAS DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT? YEAH, BUT I KNOW THIS IS SMALL, BUT YOU KNOW, WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY WE DID OVER THE 92 APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HASN'T ASKED TO MEET WITH US ABOUT THIS.
UM, THE MODEL BEING OLDER THOUGH, UM, ISN'T THAT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN JANUARY AT THE LIAISON MEETING? IT DID AND I BELIEVE THEY GOT SOME ESTIMATES BACK, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE MONEY'S THERE, BUT, HMM.
I THOUGHT THE LAST DISCUSSION WAS I DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THIS STUDY SOMEWHERE NORTH OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND ONE OF THE SUPERVISORS SAID, COULDN'T WE LOOK AT ANOTHER COUNTY AND HOW THEY'RE DOING IT AND WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING AND MODEL IT AFTER THAT? WELL, MODELS THE MODEL.
I MEAN, IT'S THERE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MATHEMATICAL FORMULAS THAT ARE USED AND IT'S BASED ON CURRENT BUDGETS.
SO, UM, IN THEORY WE COULD UPDATE THE MODEL IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBERS COEFFICIENT.
BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY WHY YOU BRING THE CONSULTING ON TOO.
IF THEY WOULD HELP FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS BOOK IS BE SHAME OF IT IS, IS THAT YES, I RECOGNIZE IT COSTS MONEY, AND THIS IS A SMALL THING, BUT SOME OF THESE LARGER HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE, THEY'RE ALREADY BY, RIGHT? LIKE THERE ISN'T ANY LIKE US SAYING YES OR NO WITHOUT THOSE NUMBERS.
THEN THEY REALLY PUT, UM, IT'S A DETRIMENT TO THE COUNTY AND TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BY NOT HAVING THOSE NUMBERS SO THAT WHEN THESE ZONING APPLICATIONS HAPPEN THAT THEY DON'T, THAT THEY CAN'T SAY A, A NUMBER THAT GIVES THEM, AND I, AND I GET IT, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN JANUARY WE TALKED ABOUT IT MM-HMM
EITHER JANUARY, OCTOBER, TINA, I'M PROBABLY REMEMBER, BUT, UM, IT WAS HERE, IT WAS AT THIS ONE.
SO IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE JANUARY ONE.
BUT THEY SAID AT THAT TIME THEY WERE WONDERING WAS THERE STUFF THAT WE WANTED TO KNOW THE TOWN AND THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO, UM, CONTRACT WITH ANYBODY UNTIL THEY KNEW IF THERE WAS INFORMATION THAT WE WANTED IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY NEEDED.
AND WE TOLD THEM AT THAT TIME, NO, WE HAVEN'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION.
THEY ASK FOR WHAT YOU TELL US.
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WE SAID NO, WE, SO, SO IN THE PAST WHEN THE MODELS HAVE BEEN RUN, THEY'VE COME IN AT ABOUT $6,900, I THINK IS WHAT, UM, REPRESENTS THE PROPERTY FOR STUDENT.UM, AND THAT WAS THE CALCULATED IMPACT.
THAT'S JUST TO OFFSET THE BY WRITING NUMBER.
UM, BUT THIS ISN'T A GUARANTEE BECAUSE THIS, THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
THEY JUST WANT IT TO BE COHESIVE WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M NOT NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS IS, IN MY OPINION, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A TIME WHERE, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE SO OUTDATED.
DO YOU REMEMBER, UH, IS THERE THERE 10 YEARS OLD? IT WAS MORE THAN 10 YEARS OLD.
'CAUSE WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, THEY WERE TELLING US THEN THAT THEY WERE ALMOST 20 YEARS OLD.
AND I KNOW THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS EVEN BEEN ASKING ABOUT THAT TOO.
LIKE, LET'S MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT FOR A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO ANYWAY, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT SAYING THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, BUT IT REMINDS ME
YOU KNOW, LIKE, HAS ANYTHING, ARE WE ANY FURTHER WITH THIS? I KNOW MONEY IS AN ISSUE, BUT SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA SPEND MONEY TO BE ABLE TO RECOVER MONEY.
WE DISCUSS THIS AT THE DRC MEETING.
SO I MEAN THE SCHOOL SCHOOL IS THERE.
IT SEEMS WE HAVE ADDING LIAISON ITEMS, DIVISION A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS STUDIES A DROP IN THE BUCKET WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MILLION DOLLAR SCHOOLS THAT NEED TO BE BUILT FOR REZONINGS THAT IMPACT THE RESIDENTIAL FISCAL ANALYSIS OF THE TOWN AND COUNTY.
AND WHILE THIS IS NOT A LARGE, THIS IS NOT A LARGE THING, BUT IT'S, BUT AT ANY MOMENT,
IT ACTUALLY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN I SAW THAT 42.
'CAUSE SQUIRREL HILL'S 30 32, IT WAS 32, BUT THEY WERE GONNA BE DOING SINGLE.
WEREN'T THEY GONNA BE DOING THE DUPLEX? DUPLEX THE ONE LEVEL DUPLEX WITH A MARKET FOR LIKE OLDER FOLKS? POSSIBLY.
IF THAT'S WHO IS INTEREST, WHO IS THAT HERE? REPORTING SQUIRREL HILL, THE ONE ON, UM, MCCARNEY MCCARTY PROPERTY RIGHT UP HERE ACROSS FROM RA JUST A COUPLE MONTHS AGO ON MAIN STREET.
UM, THESE, UH, STUDENTS HERE WOULD BE GOING TO SIE JEFFRIES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THAT, IS THAT AN OVERBURDEN SCHOOL? I DON'T KNOW.
THEY'RE OVER, THEY'RE EDUCATIONAL CAPACITY RIGHT NOW.
THAT, THAT, THAT ONE DEFINITELY IS THOUGH.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE EXTRA TEACH AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY MET WITH US ABOUT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OFFICE GUY'S ROOM BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
SO ANYWAY, UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? NO, I JUST HAVE A CLERICAL QUESTION.
UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, I KNOW WHAT THE, I MEAN, I KNOW THEY'RE
LIKE HOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROVED OR NOT.
THEY GET YOU, DO YOU GET THE COVER SHEETS? SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES LIKE MORE SHEET RIGHT HERE.
THEY'RE NEVER FILLED OUT, SIGNED.
I CAN START SENDING TINA THE SIGNED ONCE.
I MEAN, I, IT'S JUST DIDN'T HAVE A REFERENCE BECAUSE THE APPROVED APPROVED OF CONDITIONS DENIED.
AND THEN HOW MANY, LIKE WE DON'T WANNA GET ANY OF THAT.
YEAH, I FEEL LIKE I SAW SOMEWHERE IT SAID UNANIMOUSLY THOUGH.
I MEAN, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN THE PRESS.
UM, YEAH, I I MEAN I KNEW THE RESULTS OF IT.
YEAH, UNDERSTAND MEANLY TYPICALLY THEY DON'T AMEND THE, THE, UM, MOTION THAT'S, THAT'S RARE.
AND MATT LING SAYS ABOUT THE IMPACT MODEL THAT I DON'T HAVE A FISCAL IMPACT MODEL AROUND THESE OPTIONS.
I WOULD CONTACT THE FIRE CHIEF AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE STATING, GET AN IDEA OF WHAT PROPERTY MIGHT SEE AND PART OF OUR PROCESS, WE SEND IT TO THEM AND THEY ROUTE IT OUT.
JERRY USUALLY COMES BACK WITH, UH, THE COMMENTS ARE USUALLY SIMILAR.
SO ADDRESS DURING SITE PLAN
THEY WANT IT TO BE, I THINK THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET TO FLEXIBILITY.
AND IT, THERE ISN'T, IT IS NOWHERE NEAR A MAJOR ROADWAY.
I I UM, AND WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO, WHAT IS THAT SOUTH ROYAL, YOU ARE LOOKING AT SOME PRETTY STEEP HILLSIDE AND ROCKS
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THERE, BUT, UM, TO ME IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS UP THERE, WHAT WE JUST DID UP THERE.AND I IMAGINE WITH THAT SITE, YOU'D PROBABLY LOSE EVEN MORE THAN 25% FOR THE ONLY THING I SEE WHEN I SEE THE WORD THEN THE STREET EL SEE A DRIVE IS, UM, YES.
I, I GET LOTS FEEDBACK ABOUT IT.
I'LL SEE A DRIVE, UM, AND CONCERNS ABOUT SPEED AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THERE.
NOT THAT I'M SAYING THAT IT IS, BUT I JUST, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A THIRD FAIR OVER TO RURAL AVENUE OR WHATEVER.
BUT, UM, BUT IT COULD BE THAT THERE'S LIKE STREETS BACK FROM THAT TOO.
LC SO THIS WOULD ENTER THROUGH ELSA, THERE'S NO MM-HMM
THAT'S HOW YOU ENTER THE SITE.
SO THEY DO NOT OWN THE LAND AT THE BOTTOM TO THE LEFT? NO.
AND I APPARENTLY ALL OF THIS USED TO BE LIKE THE NURSING HOME PROPERTY.
AND THEN THEY SOLD OFF THIS PIECE.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO THE NURSING HOME.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
BUT THEN THEY CAME IN FOR RECENTLY.
DO THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, AND ARE YOU READY TO PUT THIS ON A MEETING OR DO YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION? LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PATH FORWARD FOR THIS IF YOU'RE INTERESTED? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL COUNTY CITIZENS AS WELL.
I HAVE TO WEIGH THIS AS FAR AS THE EFFECT IT'S GONNA HAVE ON THE SCHOOLS.
AND NO ONE'S MAKING A CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THEM.
I MEAN, THE SCHOOLS ARE OVERCROWDED.
WE KNOW THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING, AND YET THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A PROPER AND THEY'RE NOT VOLUNTEERING THE FUNDING.
WE CAN'T ASK, THIS COUNTY'S NOT ASKING FOR PROPER AND THEY'RE NOT OFFERING, WELL, NOBODY CAN ASK FOR 'EM.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT IMPLYING, THAT'RE NOT STATING THAT THERE'S A NEED.
THAT'S, YES, WE CAN, WE CAN IMPLY THAT IT'S NEEDED, BUT THE COUNTY'S NOT DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION TO DO THAT.
AND THE SCHOOLS ARE TECHNICALLY NOT IN YOUR PURVIEW.
JUST ALL THAT SOMETHING, EVEN EVEN THEIR OLD RATE BE BETTER THAN NOTHING.
SO I'M A LITTLE AMAZED BY THAT, GIVING ALL THE FINANCIAL, UM, CONCERNS AND, AND CONSTRAINTS.
IT'S BEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN COUNCIL, WE GET TO MAKE THE DECISIONS WITH NO, UM, OVERSIGHT.
JUST, IT'S JUST LIKE THE, JUST LIKE THE REQUEST FOR WATER AND SEWER TO THE BUILDING, THAT WOULD'VE NEVER COME BACK TO US.
WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION, BUT THE IMPACT THAT IT WILL HAVE, WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER.
SO, BUT WE DO HAVE JURISDICTION YET, ASIDE FROM THE IMPACT TO THE SCHOOLS, THE COUNTY.
WELL, SO THE, THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS ABOUT CHANGING IT FROM C ONE TO R THREE.
IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARCEL TO BE ZONED R THREE? YEP.
IT BORDERS R THREE AND IT DOES NOT TOUCH CHRYSLER ROAD AND IT DOES NOT TOUCH SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE.
NO, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME IN THAT REGARD.
I I, SORRY I DON'T RECALL THIS, BUT YOU CAN, THEY COULD MAKE POTENTIALLY A PROPER STATEMENT LATER DURING THE PROCESS AS WELL.
'CAUSE WE'VE WATCHED PEOPLE AMEND PROPER OR LATER IN THE PROCESS IF THE INFORMATION CAME LATER.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN'S GOING TO DO.
YOU KNOW, HE, HE, HE MAY NOT DEVELOP IT.
WELL REMEMBER IN THOSE PEOPLE.
BUT WE DO KNOW IN ASKING FOR R THREE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS, THE FUTURE USE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL.
RIGHT? AND AS RESIDENTIAL, IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THOSE SCHOOLS.
IT COULD OR RESIDENTIAL ALSO PERMITS THE NURSING HOME AND ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES.
UM, SO IT, IT WOULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW THAT EXPANSION.
WELL, THINK OF WHAT IT WOULD ALLOW A C ONE RIGHT NOW, LET SAY THEY DO GET BY RIGHT.
DECIDE TO GO WITH C ONE, WHICH AS WE KNOW, I MEAN, DOESN'T THINK MOST OF IT'S HERE, THINK THAT THAT WOULDN'T MAKE IN PRACTICAL SENSE.
BUT WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD THE IMPACT OF THAT BE
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WITH WHAT ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE IS RIGHT NOW? UNFORTUNATELY, TO ME THAT'S A SEVEN 11 STOP.THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I LOOK AT IT.
AND THE REST ARE JUST HOMES BEHIND IT.
THE N THE NURSING HOME AND STUFF.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I THINK OF IT.
BUT IF SOMETHING ATTEMPTED TO GO IN THERE C ONE BY RIGHT.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OR BE THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING AT ALL.
I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
BUT THEY'D HAVE TO BUILD THAT ENTRANCE TOWN STANDARD.
THERE WOULD'VE TO BE UPGRADED.
THAT WOULD SO IF WE CHANGE IT TO R THREE, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR, THEY STILL HAVE TO BUILD THAT ENTRANCE TO THE SAME, LIKE OUR STANDARDS PROPERTY DEVELOPS.
IT WOULD HAVE TO, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT A RIGHT OF WAY TOO.
WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE COMMERCIAL USES, THEY'RE GONNA GENERATE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE'S THE OTHER WAY TO GET, THERE'S NOT, IT WOULD ONLY BE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
THEY'RE NOT DOING, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EL C IF IT GOES C ONE.
WELL, I, I GUESS IT GIVES ME PAUSE BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ROAD.
I, I GO THERE ALL SHOW ME AGAIN.
WHERE DOES THE NURSING HOME IN AT, AT, WHERE IS THEIR ENTRANCE? IN AND OUT? THEY'RE ON THE OTHER STREET.
SO THE NURSING HOME COMES IN OFF OF, WHAT IS THIS MOUNTAIN VIEW? MM-HMM
SO IT COMES IN THERE, IT LOOPS AROUND AND I THINK THAT BECOMES EL AND THEN EL GOES AROUND.
I THINK THAT'S A VIEW UP THERE.
SO I THINK PD JUST PUT LIKE A CAMERA OR SOMETHING UP OVER HERE.
SO YOU'D BE GOING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT.
AND THAT IS THAT THERE'S A BIG PATCH UP THERE, LIKE BETWEEN THERE AND THERE.
THAT HASN'T, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY, IT'S JUST MOWED.
UM, IT GIVES ME PAUSE BECAUSE I THINK TODAY, EXCUSE ME, WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF DECISIONS IN THE BACK IN, IN THE PAST THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
SO DEVELOPMENT, INFILL DEVELOPMENT, UM, WE MIGHT THOUGHT A HOUSE WOULD'VE FIT THERE REALLY WELL, BUT NOW IT ENDS UP BEING A TOWNHOUSE BECAUSE SOMEBODY MANY YEARS AGO DECIDED TO CHANGE IT TO BAR ONE OR THREE.
AND HERE THEY'RE ASKING US TO CHANGE A ZONING WITHOUT ANY CONCRETE PLANS OF SHOWING US WHAT, WHAT WOULD GO IN THERE.
SO IT'S LIKE ONCE YOU KNOW THE GENIE OUT THE BOTTLE, ONCE WE GET BAR THREE, I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER THE, THE PLOT OR THE PLAN, I GUESS.
THEY'D HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT TO OUR STANDARDS.
BUT AGAIN, THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS OR, OR RECEIVE PROPERTIES GONE ONCE A REZONING HAPPENS.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT, LIKE THE CHOICES THAT YOU SHOWED US, IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY ARE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY SURE YET WHAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, I, I DON'T, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL DEVELOP IT THEMSELVES.
I BELIEVE THEYLL SELL TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
IT MAKES IT MORE APPETIZING TO A DEVELOPER IF IT'S ALREADY REZONED.
SO IT'S GONNA INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY FOR THEM TO MAKE THE SALE.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAY, LIKE YOU WERE SHOWING US THOSE NUMBERS.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE IN HERE, BUT LIKE, WHAT THEY COULD OR COULDN'T DO OR WHATEVER.
UM, I, THEY PROBABLY HAVEN'T SAID THESE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LIKE, WHEN SQUIRREL HILL CAME IN AND TALKED TO US, DR.
MCCARTY'S PROPERTY, THEY, THEY WERE US.
THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE PREDICTING WHAT THEY WERE GONNA DO WITH IT AND HOW MUCH EACH, EACH CONCRETE PLAN.
THEY HAD A PLAN AND, UH, BUT THEY PLANNED, I THINK, TO DEVELOP IT THEMSELVES.
THIS WAS A CALCULATION WE DID BECAUSE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD QUESTIONS DURING THE PROCESS IN THE DISCUSSION IS WHAT, LIKE WHAT'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN? RIGHT? I MEAN, AND, AND THE LANDS, THE, THE CHANCE OF THAT GO AND SEE ONE.
I JUST DON'T, I MEAN THAT KNOWING WHERE IT IS, LIKE I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING MM-HMM
UNLESS THE NURSING HOME DID EXPAND, MAYBE.
UM, BUT IT WOULD WORK OUT BETTER FOR THE NURSING HOME FOR THAT TO BE R THREE BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON OUR HEALTHCARE USES, MOST OF THEM ARE IN THE R THREE AND
WELL, THE R THREE ALSO ADDRESSES YOUR HOUSING
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SHORTAGE.RIGHT? THAT'S, I WAS ACTUALLY, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT THING IS, IS THAT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LAND IN TOWN.
IT'S NOT, IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT C ONE, IT'S JUST GONNA SIT THERE, IT FILLS THE COMP PLAN BY DOING IS, SO A AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU, DO YOU ALL WANT MORE TIME ON THIS? DO YOU WANT TO MOVE THIS ALONG? UM, TO, TO, UH, THE JULY MEETING? 'CAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
'CAUSE IT'S A REZONING APPLICATION.
SO IF, I MEAN, IF YOU ALL WANT MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT, THAT'S FINE TOO.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE'RE GONNA GET ANSWERED HERE TONIGHT.
PUTTING ON JULY'S PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN GET INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
MAYBE SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY OR SCHOOL WILL COME TO THAT MAYBE.
I MEAN, I, I FEEL COMFORTABLE, MORE COMFORTABLE KNOWING THAT THAT INFORMATION GOT THE INTEL THEY NEEDED.
SO I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE ANY MORE INFORMATION, EVEN IF WE HAVE IT ON ANOTHER AGENDA BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL TO POSTPONE NOT HEARING THIS.
I DO THINK IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT THOUGH.
I WISH, I WISH WE HAD THIS ISSUE ALL SOONER THAN LATER.
THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S GETTING ANY BETTER.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY TO HAVE THE JULY? SO MS. PERLEY, THIS, WILL WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO MM-HMM
DO A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN THAT WAY, LIKE YOU SAID, THE THE PUBLIC WILL CAN WEIGH IN AT THAT TIME.
SO LAUREN, WHEN WE POST SIGNS OUT, THE ONLY SIGN WILL BE THAT COULD BE VISIBLE FROM A HIGHWAY WILL BE ON THAT RIGHT OF WAY CONNECTING TO MOUNTAIN VIEW OR WHATEVER THE STREET IS, WE POST THEM ON.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I DON'T DRIVE UP THERE.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A SIGN ON SOUTH ROW.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A SIGN ON CHRYSLER.
SO MOST OF THE PUBLIC WON'T EVEN, I MEAN, WE'LL POST IT TO, YOU KNOW, LEGAL STANDARDS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE EVERYBODY THAT'S DOWN IN THIS R THREE.
HAVE YOU ALREADY THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S A AWARE, AWARE, SURE.
IS THAT WHAT HAVE INTEREST IN THE AGENT? SO I'M SORRY.
THEY HAVE INTEREST IN, IN THE AGENT COMMUNITY.
MICHAEL DOESN'T WORK THERE ANYMORE.
YEAH, I GUYS RETIRED, BUT YEAH.
SO NEXT UP IS ALSO MS. MA UPDATE ON THE ZONING ORDINANCES REVISIONS.
CHARLES, I DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU GET THAT ZONING? UM, ONE SECOND OR YOUR, I'M TRYING.
I KNOW THAT I CAN ACTUALLY SCROLL THROUGH IT, BUT I CAN KIND OF JUST TELL YOU WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR.
UM, SO WE ARE ABOUT A YEAR INTO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE.
THE DRAFT HAS BEEN POSTED ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING WEBSITES EACH JULY OR JUNE 14TH OF LAST YEAR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THE BIG DIFFERENCES IN THIS IS THAT WE'VE JUST RESTRUCTURED AND REORGANIZED AND THEN WE'VE STARTED UPDATING.
SO THE FIRST THING THEY DID WAS WE RESTRUCTURED IT, UM, TO DISCUSS LIKE THE AUTHORITY, THE PURPOSE, ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT WAS KIND OF JUST DISPERSED THROUGHOUT.
OUR OLD ONE IS DOWN IN ONE PLACE.
WE'VE COALESCED ALL THE DEFINITIONS INTO ONE ARTICLE INSTEAD OF HAVING 'EM IN FOUR DIFFERENT SECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UM, AND SO FAR WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAVE GONE THROUGH WITH PLANNING COMMISSION THE ADMINISTRATIVE PORTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE.
SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HADN'T HAD A TIME LIMIT ON OUR ZONING PERMITS.
WE'VE ADDED IN A PROVISION FOR A ONE YEAR TIME LIMIT ON ZONING PERMITS.
AND THEN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR CAN EXTEND THAT UP TO A YEAR WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO REAPPLY.
HEY, AGAIN, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN.
I'M HOPING SO NOW WHEN I'M HOPING IT'S WHAT I THINK IT IS.
BUT RIGHT NOW WHEN WE ISSUE A ZONING APPROVAL, THERE'S NOT A TIME LIMIT ON THAT.
SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY GO AND COMMENCE WORK WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
NOW, IN HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEY HAVE A YEAR THAT'S BUILT IN THAT'S NOT BUILT INTO THE REST OF ZONING PERMITS WE ISSUE.
SO SOMEBODY COULD DEMOLISH A PORTION OF A BUILDING AND THEN IT JUST SITS THERE.
UM, AND THIS WOULD EVICT THAT? YES, THIS WOULD, WOULD MEAN THAT WITHIN A YEAR THEY WOULD, I COULD EITHER EXTEND IT OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS
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TO GET A NEW PERMIT.SO IT WOULD HELP, IT WOULD AVOID COUNSEL FROM HAVING TO TAKE ACTION ON HOW PROPERTY IS OWNED.
AND THEN THE OTHERS THAT WE'VE ADDED IN, WE'VE MADE SURE TO, UM, UM, UPDATE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, REGULATIONS AND RULES.
WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING UP TO DATE WITH BZA.
WE'VE UPDATED THE BAR SECTION.
UM, WE'VE GOT A TEXT AMENDMENT CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION RIGHT NOW FOR THE PORT OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW REGARDING PRESERVATION OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, AND THEN LATELY THE LAST, I GUESS MONTH OR TWO, WE'VE MADE HEADWAY ON THE DEFINITIONS.
SO WE HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THE DEFINITIONS AND ALL OF THE USES THAT WE HAVE, AND WE HAVE A CHART THAT NOW LINES THEM UP WITH THE ZONES.
WE ARE FILLING IN THE MISSING DEFINITIONS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD USES IN THE CODE FOR YEARS THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY FIND WHAT THEY ARE.
UM, SO WE ARE MODERNIZED HAVING IN USES THAT EXIST TODAY THAT DIDN'T BACK IN NEARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
UM, WE PULLED IN THE, UH, MODEL SIGN ORDINANCE THAT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ATTORNEYS THAT THEY WROTE FOR THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
WE'VE KIND OF EDITED THAT A LITTLE BIT.
WE ARE HAVING, UM, DCR WITH THE STATE REVIEW, THE FLOODPLAIN PROVISIONS.
UM, AND THEN THE NEXT BIG PIECE IS NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT WHICH USES ARE APPROPRIATE IN WHICH DISTRICTS, WHAT USES DO WE NEED TO ADD, WHICH DISTRICTS SHOULD THEY BE IN, SHOULD THEY BE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR BY, RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN WITH THAT COMES PARKING.
SO AS OF NOW, ANY CHANGE OF USE REQUIRES THEM TO COME INTO CONFORMANCE WITH OUR OFF STREET PARKING LOADING.
THAT'S 1 7 5 1 0 3, 1 0 4, AND 1 0 5.
UM, AND THEN THAT WILL THEN SEGUE US INTO REALLY GETTING INTO THE, REVISING OUR PARKING STANDARDS WHEN WE GET TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO MY HOPE IS THAT WE WILL HAVE THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING THIS FALL, HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
THEN I DIVE, DIVE INTO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY START CHANGING UP THE PARKING AND THE PROCESS.
UM, SO IN THE MEANTIME, IF YOU HAVE FEEDBACK ON USES PARKING, LIKE WHAT YOU WANNA SAY, UM, PLEASE PROVIDE THAT TO STAFF AND ANY PATIENTS.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.
I WANNA ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE GET INTO PARKING.
'CAUSE ACTUALLY PARKING WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ASKED WE NEEDED TO CHAT ABOUT AGAIN.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THIS.
SO THE, WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED BEFORE, HYPOTHETICALLY, SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR A BUILDING PERMIT AND THEY START DEMOLITION OF A PART OF THEIR BUILDING, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY JUST STOP BECAUSE THEY EITHER RAN OUTTA MONEY OR DECIDED THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT ANYMORE OR WHATEVER.
DOES THAT ADDRESS THAT THAT, DOES THAT GIVE US ANY, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE TIME LIMITS ON THINGS LIKE THAT? I JUST, THAT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT.
IF IT JUST SITS AND SITS AND SITS RIGHT, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
SO THEY'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF NOT HAVING A PERMIT.
THEY'RE THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST, YEAH.
THEY'RE JUST NOT ACTING ON WHAT THEY, BUT WILL THIS, WHAT YOU JUST DISCUSSED WOULD ADDRESS THAT.
YOU AT LEAST PUT A TIME LIMIT ON IT.
SO THEN AFTER A YEAR, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL YOU NO LONGER HAVE A VALID PERMIT RIGHT NOW WE CAN NOW WE CAN START HAVING THE CONVERSATION.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING? IF NOT, YOU'RE IN VIOLATION.
THAT, WHICH I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
IT'S A SIMPLE, SOMEBODY DON'T REALLY HAVE IT, BUT I'M GLAD THAT, YOU KNOW, WHO WOULD THINK, RIGHT? SO THE PARKING THING, UM, PARKING CONTINUES TO COME UP AND HAS REALLY BEEN COMING UP PROBABLY FOR THE LAST YEAH, SINCE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL THING CAME ABOUT BEFORE THAT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THE SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT HAVE REALLY, UM, I THINK PUT A MICROSCOPE TO SOME OF OUR PARKING, UM, CONCERNS AND COMMENTS AND JUST ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
SO HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TALK ABOUT LIKE WHAT DO WE WANT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BE LOOKING AT, TO BE ADDRESSING? I KNOW, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN GET PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT TOO, BUT IS THERE SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO, UM, BRING UP TO MS. KISH NOW ABOUT PARKING? NOW SHE DID JUST EXPLAIN ONE THING.
LIKE SOME OF THIS WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER, WHICH IS THAT IF THERE'S A CHANGE OF USE, RIGHT.
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BECAUSE WHY? SO RIGHT NOW IT'S ARTICLE NINE OF THIS DOCUMENT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S 1 75 1 0 3, 1 0 4 1 5.BASICALLY THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S A ONE, THE USE HAS TO FRONT ON A PUBLIC STREET.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, EACH USE HAS TO PROVIDE PARKING.
AND THEN WE HAVE A TABLE THAT WE, UH, REFER TO IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT TELLS US WHAT THOSE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THAT SPECIFIC USE.
SO ANYTIME THERE'S A CHANGE THAT'S THAT SNAPSHOT IN TIME THAT WE START LOOKING AT, OKAY, DO THEY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING? IS EVERYTHING IN COMPLIANCE? UM, WE DON'T HAVE, HAVE A STAFF DOESN'T HAVE A WAY AROUND THAT RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THEY CAN SUBMIT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND TOWN COUNCIL COULD THEN CHOOSE TO RELIEVE THEM OF THOSE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW,
WE HAVE THINGS, WE HAVE THINGS THAT ARE THERE
NOT JUST IN THIS CASE, FOR EVERY RULE IN OTHER THINGS TOO.
LIKE I'M LIKE, I I'M THE SAME WAY LIKE THIS AT SCHOOL.
DON'T HAVE A RULE IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA ENFORCE IT.
BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, YOU KNOW.
UM, SO WHAT DO YOU, WHAT ARE YOUR, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY AND IT'S EARLY ENOUGH IN THE EVENING.
DO YOU ALL WANNA HAVE SOME PARKING DISCUSSION NOW? DO YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT? WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? I THINK WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE SITUATION.
WE HAVE TWO SHORT TERM RENTAL REQUIREMENT PARKING AND LONG-TERM RENTAL PARKING.
I MEAN, THERE SEEMS TO BE A CONTRADICTION HERE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO YEAH, WE'RE ALWAYS, SO YOU DON'T WANT AN OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS? WELL, I MEAN, THEY'RE SAYING ONE OR TWO THINGS.
EITHER WE HAVE STRICT, WELL WE, WE WE GET STRICTER ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR LONG-TERM RENTALS, OR WE DO, YOU KNOW, OR WE DO AWAY WITH THEIR SHORT TERM RENTAL REQUIREMENT OR PARKING OR, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE, TO MAKE IT EVEN.
SO I'M JUST SAYING ONE OR THE OTHER.
YOU'RE SAYING THEY SHOULD BE IN LINE.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE IN LINE MYSELF.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, SO THIS A CAR TAKES UP SPACE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S BEING RENTED, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, HONESTLY IS RENTED FOR THE WEEKEND OR RENTED FOR THE YEAR, YOU KNOW.
BUT WE, I THINK THAT'S A BIG QUESTION MARK THAT WE HAVE WITH OURSELVES RIGHT NOW WITH OUR COURT COURT ORDINANCE.
I THINK THAT WOULD ELIMINATE FROM THE 'CAUSE.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE OUR BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE HAVE COMING FROM PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY'RE PROVING THESE, THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS, YOU KNOW, AND, BUT YET THEY'RE HAVING TO STICK TO, YOU KNOW, TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS.
SO IT CREATE, AND AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE CREATING A RULE AND WE KEEP, WE KEEP DODGING IT.
SO GO AHEAD FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I'LL SEND MY FEEDBACK REGARDING PARKING TO STAFF.
I'VE BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT IT SINCE BEFORE ANYBODY SITTING AROUND ME WAS SITTING AROUND ME.
UM, LIKE JOSH ALLUDED TO, OR COUNCILMAN INGRAM.
UH, YOU CAN RENT A HOUSE FOR 20 YEARS, WHICH I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN FRONT ROYAL HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THE SAME HOUSE 20 YEARS.
AND YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN AND YOUR FAMILY CAN HAVE AS MANY CARS THERE AS YOU WANT.
AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THE TOWN CAN DO ABOUT IT.
UM, THEY CAN HAVE EIGHT PEOPLE LIVING THERE, AND ALL EIGHT OF 'EM COULD OWN TWO VEHICLES A PIECE, AND THAT'S THEIR RIGHT.
AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO SHORT TERM RENTALS, IT'S NOT THE SAME.
AND IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
MY FAMILY AND I JUST RENTED AN AIRBNB FOR THE 4TH OF JULY IN WARREN COUNTY.
WE STAYED AT IT WITH FRIENDS AND ONLY ONE OF THE EIGHT OF US IN MY FAMILY DROVE A VEHICLE THERE.
AND THEN TWO WEEKS BEFORE THAT, WE STAYED IN THE AIRBNB IN FLORIDA, AND ONLY ONE OF THE EIGHT OF US TOOK A VEHICLE THERE.
IT'S LESS LIKELY TO HAVE MORE VEHICLES WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELING FOR A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME FOR VACATION OR BUSINESS.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT MAKES ANY SENSE BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT OUR RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, I'VE OWNED TWO IN FRONT OF OIL HILL PROPER THAT LITERALLY DO NOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY OR OFF STREET PARKING.
THAT'S HOW THE TOWN WAS BUILT IN THE 1950S.
SO, AND THAT THOSE HOUSES I COULD MAKE INTO RENTALS AND THEY COULD HAVE AS MANY CARS PARKED ALONG THE STREET AS THEY WANTED TO.
PARKING IS, UM, A CONVENIENCE FACTOR.
AND PUBLIC PARKING IS A RIGHT.
AND IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO WALK, I COULD GO PARK IN FRONT OF ANY ONE OF YOUR HOUSES AT THE SIDEWALK AND WALK TO MY HOUSE FROM THERE IF I WANTED TO.
UM, AND I MEAN, WE LAUGH ABOUT IT, BUT IT HAPPENED.
I LIVE ON A CUL-DE-SAC AND A VERY LOW TRAFFIC NEIGHBORHOOD IN FRONT ROYAL.
AND EVERY OTHER WEEK THERE'S A CAR PARKED OUTSIDE IN FRONT OF MY SIDEWALK BECAUSE THERE'S A HOUSE IN OUR CUL-DE-SAC HAVING A GATHERING OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
UM, AND USUALLY WE KNOW WHO IT IS, BUT I MEAN, EVEN IN A CUL-DE-SAC, IT HAPPENS OFTEN.
UM, SO I JUST, YEAH, I DON'T, I STILL MAINTAIN THE WAY THAT I FEEL ABOUT ALL THE PARKING EXEMPTIONS THAT WE'VE GIVEN SINCE
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I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL WITH MY FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS.SO, WHAT'S COME UP SO FAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE ANYBODY THE OTHER OPPORTUNITY, WHAT'S COME UP SO FAR IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PARKING, WHICH QUITE FRANKLY, LITERALLY MIGHT HAVE WAS EVEN BEFORE YOU GOT HERE WHEN SHORT TERM RENTAL, THAT WHOLE THING EVEN CAME UP WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL PARKING WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE STRUGGLING WITH.
AND I, AT THE TIME, WE WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S JUST GET, YOU KNOW, GET THE SHORT JOURNAL APPROVED AND WE'LL COME BACK AND REVISIT IT.
WE JUST HAD NEVER REVISITED IT.
DO YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD TO WHAT, AT LEAST WHAT SOME MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE SAID TO, TO THAT THEY WANT THEM TO AT LEAST LOOK AT? AND I REALIZED THAT EVEN PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKING AT IT, IT WOULD STILL GO BACK BEFORE THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND THEN IT, AND FOR A VOTE WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY WOULD COME BACK TO US.
SO ANY CITIZENS IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL WHO DISAGREE WITH WHAT SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SAID, OR WHAT OTHERS FEEL THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE.
SO DO YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? GO AHEAD.
WELL, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO ABOUT THESE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE BUILT IN 1930.
WHERE ONLY ONE PERSON HAD A CAR,
FIRST OF ALL, THERE WEREN'T A TON OF HOUSES THEY GRADUALLY BUILT.
UM, BUT I I I, I WOULD BE CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING ALL OFF STREET PARKING, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INFILL LOTS THAT, UM, THAT ARE, UM, GONNA BE POPPING UP.
UH, SO, UM, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? COULD YOU WELL, I, I KNOW WHAT, I KNOW WHAT INFILL LOTS ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DON'T WANNA SAY THAT? LIKE MAYBE AN INFIELD LOT WHERE SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PUT A DRIVEWAY IN THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S A CHANGE OF USE, RIGHT? IF IT'S, SO THAT'S A CHANGE OF USE, BUT THERE IS KIND OF A TREND.
YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT, AND IT'S BECOMING A RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT YOU REMOVE MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS.
SOME CITIES ARE DOING IT ACROSS THE BOARD, LIKE MINNEAPOLIS, SO HOME CITY, A LOT OF THESE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, GETTING RID OF MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS AND LETTING THE BANKS DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA FINANCE SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE PARKING.
IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A VACANT LOT, THERE'S NO USE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO A NEW USE, A CHANGE IN USE IS WHAT TRIGGERS A REVIEW OF PARKING.
YOU KNOW, AS LAUREN STATED EARLIER, IT JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE, IT DOESN'T MAKE YOUR, YOUR COMMUNITY LOOKED REAL ATTRACTIVE WITH A BUNCH OF CARS PILED UP ON THE STREET.
UH, IN GENERAL, I THINK IT, IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY IN THESE PLANNED COMMUNITIES, YOU RIGHT.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, UM, PARKING ON THE STREET.
IN FACT, THEY PAINT 'EM YELLOW A LOT OF TIMES TO, TO KEEP PEOPLE, VISITORS COME IN.
BUT USUALLY THE PEOPLE PEOPLE HAVE AND, AND OUR STREETS ARE NOT ALL THE SAME SIZE.
SO IT ALSO, ONE RESPECT THE NARROW THE STREET, LESS LIKELY LITTLE SPEED.
BUT ON, ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T LIKE A BUNCH OF CARS PARKED OUT THERE AND A KID DOS DOWN IN THE ROAD.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE, THEY COULD GET HIT BECAUSE THEY'RE CHASING A BASKETBALL OR SOMETHING.
AND DEFINITELY IN OUR OLDER STAFF, WE DEFINITELY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND STUFF WHERE, UM, I, THERE'S CERTAIN STREETS, I THINK WE ALL KNOW.
I'M LIKE, I JUST, I'M SO GRATEFUL I HAVE A COMPACT CAR INSTEAD OF A BIG TRUCK.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK I WOULD GO DOWN THAT WAY TURNING ON TO MARSHALL.
I MEAN, YOU WOULD THINK IT'S A ONE WAY STREET, BUT THERE'S CARS PARKED AND THEY CAN PARK ON BOTH SIDES.
AND, UH, COMING HERE TONIGHT YEAH.
A CAR THOUGHT THAT THEY COULDN'T FIT WITH ME THERE.
GLEN, DID YOU WANNA OFFER ANYTHING TOO? AND THEN, WE'LL, MR. PENN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HAD THE SHORT TERM RENTALS COME BEFORE US, AND FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S POINT OF VIEW, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW AN ORDINANCE MM-HMM
AND THEN WE TURN AROUND AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SAY A BIT OF GRANT IT WITHOUT THAT.
SO I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO, UM, CORRECT THAT.
I, I STILL THINK THAT THE CHANGE IN USE OR INFILL LOTS
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WHERE WE CAN, WE SHOULD REQUIRE DRIVEWAYS.BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME REQUIRED RIGHT NOW THAT IS REQUIRED.
SO AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT BRUCE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT TOO, IS THAT TAKING AWAY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT TOOK AWAY ALL PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK, AND I COULD BE WRONG, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN LEANING TOWARDS WAS MORE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PARKING.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THERE HAD BEEN THE, AND, AND AS YOU SAID, BOTH COUNCILMAN WOOD AND COUNCILMAN INGRAM SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND SO, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND YOU ALL ARE FOLLOWING WHAT, WHAT THE CODE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT CAME FOR COUNSEL AND, AND UM, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE ADDED THIS AGENDA ITEM TO JUST TALK ABOUT YES, MR. PETTY.
I THANK MR. FISHER WILL SEND YOU ALL THESE CODE SECTIONS SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
BUT IN ADDITION, PLEASE REVIEW THE ZONING ORDINANCE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU SEE.
NOW'S THE OPPORTUNITY, THIS HUGE UNDERTAKING BY STAFF TO TAKE THIS ON.
AND SO WE DON'T WANT THEM TO GO DOWN A PATH OF AMENDING OR WRITING THESE ORDINANCES AND WE'RE NOT MEETING WHAT SOME OF THE EXPECTATIONS OF COUNCIL.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK, JUST PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THESE DRAFTS AS WE'RE WORKING ON IT.
WELL, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE IN MIND WHEN YOU WANT FEEDBACK BACK OR WHAT WOULD BE, SO WHERE, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU ALL WILL GET TO THE PARKING NEXT YEAR? PART OF IT? RIGHT NOW YOU'RE IN DEFINITIONS.
SO WE'RE NO IN DEFINITIONS, WE'RE MOVING ON TO USES AFTER THAT WE HIT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND THEN THIS DRAFT IS RIGHT.
BUT THIS IS, THESE ARE THINGS THAT, LIKE THE RESEARCH TAKES TIME.
LIKE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS I WILL ADAMANTLY MAKE IS THAT THE PARKING EXEMPTION THAT IS HERE ON MAIN STREET NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED TO CHESTER STREET.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A PORTION OF CHESTER STREET THAT'S LIKE FOR HORSE USE.
WE HAD TO GIVE AN EXCEPTION WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL.
IT'S NOT LITERALLY MADE FOR LIKE CARS, BUT THERE'S LIKE THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOOKING AT REMOVING SOME OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE SORT DISTRICT SECTIONS BECAUSE LIKE OUT IN FRONT OF, UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CHEVY DEALERSHIP AND POPPY'S, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S, THAT WAS BUILT IN THE EARLY, EARLY 19 HUNDREDS WHERE CARS EVEN EXISTED.
SO, BUT I WASN'T FINISHED WITH MY DISCUSSION.
A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO ADD IS THAT WHILE I DON'T WANNA SEE PARKING REQUIREMENTS GONE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING FROM STAFF THE PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL THAT HAVE OFF STREET PARKING.
BECAUSE WHILE BRUCE MENTIONED THE 1930S, MY HOUSE SPECIFICALLY WAS AFTER 1950 AND IT DIDN'T HAVE OFF STREET PARKING AND WAS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE EVERYBODY PARK ON THE STREET.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF IT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE SAME DEVELOPMENT AS WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING HERE.
AND SO ALSO I DISAGREE WITH THAT.
IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE AESTHETIC BECAUSE I THINK THAT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT IS VERY QUAINT AND CHARMING AND THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE FRONT YARDS, IF YOU GO TO PLACES LIKE, UM, IN NEW ENGLAND OR THE ISLANDS LIKE NANTUCKET, THEY HAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL, WELL KEPT, MAINTAINED FRONT YARDS AND GARDENS.
AND IT GIVES YOU MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE TOWNHOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED IN FRONT OIL IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS, THEY'RE THREE TO FIVE BEDROOM TOWNHOUSES THAT ALL ONLY HAVE LIKE TWO PARKING SPACES OUT FRONT.
BUT FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THEY'D BE REQUIRED TO HAVE WHAT, ONE PER BEDROOM, WHICH COULD BE FIVE.
AND IT'S NOT FAIR BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THEY'RE COMING TO SPEND MONEY, THEY'RE COMING TO EAT OUT, THEY'RE COMING TO SHOP, THEY'RE COMING TO GO DO THE ECOTOURISM THINGS.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE IN LONG TERM RENTALS ARE COOKING AT HOME.
THEY'RE NOT SPENDING AS MUCH MONEY IN THE COMMUNITY.
LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE FOR TWO NIGHTS ARE HERE TO SPEND MONEY AND HAVE AN EXPERIENCE OR EXPLORE AND THEN GO HOME.
SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE COMING TO DO.
AND SO WHILE I WOULDN'T SAY GET RID OF IT, I WOULD SAY MAYBE MINIMIZE IT FOR EVEN NEW CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE AND WE'VE HEARD IT IN PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS YEAR.
THEY'RE HERE FOR THE ACCESSIBILITY.
THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY CAN WALK DOWNTOWN.
THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY CAN BIKE OUR TOWN MANAGER BIKES ALL OVER.
MY KIDS AND I WALK TO AND FROM SCHOOL WHEN IT'S NICE OUTSIDE, UM, MORNING AND AFTERNOON.
SO WE ARE LIVING IN A SOCIETY THAT APPRECIATES NATURE AND THE HEALTHINESS OF BEING ABLE TO.
SO I FEEL LIKE IF WE STOPPED PUTTING OUR FOCUS ON PARKING SPACES, AND LET'S BE REALISTIC, WE HAVE AN OVER 55% POVERTY RATE IN FRONT ROYAL.
SO EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE ONLY OWNED ONE CAR IN 1930,
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A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A CAR FOR EVERYBODY IN THEIR HOME TODAY.UM, MY NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, THEY HAVE KIDS THAT JUST STARTED DRIVING.
WE HAVE KIDS THAT JUST STARTED DRIVING.
EVERYBODY IN OUR HOUSE ISN'T GONNA HAVE A CAR.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER.
UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY AT OUR HOUSE, WE HAVE MORE CARS THAN WE DO DRIVERS BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY WORTH A LOT.
WE'VE BEEN CAR SHOPPING, WE'VE BEEN CAR SHOPPING THE LAST WEEK, AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE WEREN'T THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW.
SO I, UM, I WANT TO LOOK AT THE CODES MORE IN DEPTH FOR SURE.
BUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT I HAVE SEEN THAT WE'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, AND I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR TONIGHT.
WHEN I WAS OUT WALKING THE STREETS,
AND THAT GOES BACK TO HOW WE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, THEY PROBABLY DID NOT END THE HOUSE.
I'M GUESSING THAT THEY WERE RENTERS, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AS THE FILING STILL CODE.
AND THEN THE OTHER, UM, IS ALSO THERE.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME CODES AND I HAVE TO, I'M TRYING TO FIND IT.
I COULDN'T, UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS AROUND, UH, WORK TRUCKS AND WHAT, OR, AND ALSO CAMPERS, WHAT IS, I'M NOT ALLOWED.
I THINK WE'VE GOT TO REVISIT THAT.
'CAUSE IF I, YOU KNOW, IF I CAN AFFORD IT AND HAVE A CAMPER AND CAN HAVE IT IN MY OFF STREET PARKING, I SHOULD BE ABOUT TO HAVE THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, SO THAT WAS JUST, AND IT'S GOTTA BE TAXED OR TAGGED.
SO IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVE TO BE COVERED.
IT HAS TO BE A CAR COVER, IT CAN'T BE A TARP.
AND WE, AND SHOULD WE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THAT BE SOMETHING WE RETHINK ABOUT TOO? I MEAN, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANT CARS UP ON CINDER BLOCKS, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND,
SO, UM, I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME OTHER ISSUES.
BUT, SO ANYWAY, I'M GONNA LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT IT AND GIVE YOU A COMPREHENSIVE FEEDBACK.
YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA DO IT TONIGHT.
SO ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THE PARKING AND, UH, WITH REGARD TO REPAIR SHOPS AND WHATNOT, UH, I CAN THINK OF ONE AREA AND OFF, UH, STREET ON MAIN STREET, BUT, UH, WHERE THERE'S A, A BUNCH OF CARS JUST PILED UP THAT ARE NOT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT FUNCTIONAL.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE PARKED ALL AROUND AROUND THE PERIMETER, HAPHAZARDLY, UM, YES.
AND, UH, SO I, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A COMMERCIAL OR A JUNKYARD COMMERCIAL? COMMERCIAL, THE JUNK, THAT'S WHERE, WHETHER OR NOT THAT USE IS DONE BY RIGHT OR SPECIAL USE PERMIT CAN HELP.
AND IF SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE CAN REQUIRE THE EXTRA SCREENING.
THAT'S HOW YOU CAN START GOING WITH THIS.
WELL, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A WRONG QUESTION, BUT I'M GONNA ASK IT BECAUSE IT'S ON MY HEAD.
WHEN YOU WERE SAYING LIKE DEFINITIONS AND WHAT'S ALLOWED AND STUFF LIKE THAT, RIGHT? DATA CENTERS IS IS THAT LIKE, UM, IT'S NOT IN THERE, BUT, OKAY.
I I, I JUST, I WAS ASKING BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT TRAINS OF THOUGHT ABOUT, SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE, YOU SHOULD MAKE SURE IT'S IN THERE SO THAT YOU HAVE THE, UM, EXPECTATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO, TO, RIGHT.
AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WELL, DON'T INCLUDE IT, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE WELCOMING THAT IN.
THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, I KNEW THAT WAS GONNA BE A BAD TOPIC AND TONIGHT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE TOPIC FOR THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT INPUT ON NOW? OR YOU'RE GONNA, YOU CAN SEND ME INPUT, I WILL GIVE YOU MY PROFESSIONAL PLANNING RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU ABSOLUTELY DEFINE IT AND YOU EXPLAIN HOW YOU WANNA SEE IT, WHAT YOU WOULD WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
BUT YOU DON'T, I THINK THAT YOU'RE OPENING THIS UP TO SEE WHAT COULD COME IN, WHAT COULD HAPPEN, RIGHT.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE WAREHOUSES PUT A BUNCH OF SERVERS IN THE WAREHOUSE, THAT OPENS US UP TO, RIGHT.
SO THE STATES, SO THE THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD EITHER HAVE OVERLAY DISTRICTS, WE LOOK AT
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IT IN OUR MCD USES, WE DEFINE IT AND WE EXPLAIN CLEARLY WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS WOULD BE.THAT IS NOT POPULAR OPINION, BUT FROM A PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT, I GOT, WELL THAT'S, I WAS, I, I'M, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.
LIKE IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO DO ON YOUR OWN OR YOU'RE PREPARED TO TAKE THAT UP, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA TOUCH THAT WITHOUT COUNSEL TELLING YOU TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT.
WILL THAT MAYBE COUNSEL WILL THINK ABOUT IT AND WON'T PUT ANYBODY
I THINK YOU PUT YOUR GUIDELINES OUT.
YOU PUT IT, YOU PUT IT OUT THERE NOW, SO COME CHANGE IT LATER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, IF THERE'S THAT, THAT, OR ANY OTHER THING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CONTROVERSIAL, GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON THE TABLE AND DEFINE IT HOW YOU WANT IT RIGHT NOW SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IN SET DIRECTION IS MY APPEAL.
ANYBODY WANNA GIVE INPUT NOW OR DO YOU WANNA SAVE THAT FOR ANOTHER NIGHT? AND DON'T ARGUE WITH, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GONNA HAPPEN TODAY,
UM, NOT LIKE LAUREN'S GONNA GO WORK ON IT TOMORROW, BUT DO YOU ALL WANNA JUST WAIT AND TALK ABOUT THAT LATER? I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS, FOR THE RECORD, FOR PEOPLE WATCHING HERE, FOR THE PEOPLE AT HOME FOR THE PRESS, WE HAVE NOT MET WITH ANY DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS OR HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS.
IT WAS THE FIRST, EVERYBODY HAD HEARD ABOUT IT.
WELL, I, EVERYBODY KEEPS SAYING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT'S ANYBODY COME HANDS, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I KNOW THE TRUTH, I KNOW WHAT THE FACTS ARE, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT JUST WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE MORE RUMORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE REASON WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP IS, IS BECAUSE KINDA LIKE WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT YOU SAID IS, IS BY NOT BRINGING IT UP AND BY NOT ADDRESSING IT IN OUR, OUR ORDINANCE CHANGES, ARE WE OPENING OURSELVES UP TO HAVING NO, YOU KNOW, NO CONTROL OVER ANYTHING THAT THAT'S WHY I WAS, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T KNOW.
I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD EXPOSE US TO MORE LIABILITY TO NOT HAVE CLEARLY DEFINED STANDARDS THAN TO HAVE THEM THE WAY IT WORKS IN COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T HAVE IT, LIKE SAY LIKE GOOGLE OR AMAZON WANTS TO COME IN, THEY'LL COME IN WITH THEIR ATTORNEYS OR THEIR ENGINEERING FIRM THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH AND HIRE FOR THE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS.
THEY'LL COME IN WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT READY TO GO.
THEY'LL COME IN WITH A TEXT AMENDMENT READY TO GO WITH, YOU KNOW, STANDARDS THAT BASICALLY SUIT WHAT THEIR CLIENT WANTS AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA COME IN IT WITH THEIR FISCAL IMPACT MODEL AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS GONNA GENERATE $2 MILLION A YEAR FOR YOU.
WHAT HAPPENS THEN? THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE STANDARDS IN.
YOU HAVE TO, YOU GOTTA HAVE TO EVERYBODY.
YEAH, WELL YOU WERE ELECTED THEN.
THE REALITY IS, IS THEY'RE GONNA COME IN WITH THAT PITCH ANYWAY.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER FIVE YEARS AGO AMAZON DID COME IN AND TALK TO US, WHETHER, WHETHER YOU HAVE STANDARDS OR NOT, THEY'RE GONNA COME IN WITH THAT PITCH AND, AND IT'S PROVEN THAT THEY CAN BRING REVENUE.
THE QUESTION IS, IS WHAT AT, AT WHAT COST WILL THE REVENUE FIX THE PARKING AND ARCHITECTURE? SOMETIMES IT WAS RHETORICAL.
I BROUGHT IT UP TO ASK, IS THAT GONNA BE, I ASKED WHEN SHE WAS SAYING ABOUT DEFINITIONS AND USAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IS IT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO IT AS A SEPARATE, RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE READY TO SAY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY TO GIVE YOU A DIRECTION OR NOT DIRECTION YET.
WE WILL, WE WILL ADD IT BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.
UM, I JUST, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THAT PUTS TO REST ANYBODY'S THOUGHTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING IT.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T, YOU ALL ARE WAITING FOR A DIRECTION FROM THIS BODY AS TO WHAT TO DO NEXT.
AND THIS UPDATE ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE REVISIONS HAS BEEN IN THE PIPELINE FOR TWO YEARS AT LEAST.
I KNEW IT WAS A LONG HERE ALMOST FOUR YEARS AND WE DID COMP PLAN AND BOOK ENDED.
UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SUE, THAT NO ONE HOME AT HOME, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT KNOW THAT I I, I RAN ON AS NOT, NOT A PROPONENT FOR DATA CENTERS BACK DURING THE ELECTION.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
I DON'T IT STILL YOUR STANCE OR IT WAS THEN THAT MAY BE MORE.
I, I DIDN'T, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE
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MADE ANY KINDA COMMITMENT OR COMMENT OR ANYTHING TONIGHT THAT TIES INTO OR NOT TO.I JUST AM SAYING THAT WE, AS THEY ARE RE-LOOKING AT THINGS, THIS IS WHEN THESE, THIS IS WHEN THE, WHEN LIKE I SAID WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AND THAT GOT APPROVED YEARS AGO, PARKING, WE THOUGHT, I WONDER IF WE SHOULD ADDRESS THAT.
AND, AND, AND THEN IT BECAME A PROBLEM.
SO, WELL, AND HALF THE COUNCIL WAS OPPOSED TO SHORT TERM RENTALS WHEN WE APPROVED IT.
I MEAN, IT WAS ALMOST A SPLIT VOTE.
I THINK, UNLESS Y'ALL HAD ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. BEACH? NOPE.
THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING ITEMS, YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT, THAT WE'VE ALREADY COME UP WITH, UM, QUITE A FEW.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT AT, AT THE TIME THAT TINA PREPARED THIS AGENDA, THE COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ITEMS TO ADD YET, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING TODAY.
AND THEY, WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT IN BY THIS WEDNESDAY? THEY DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE TO THE LAST FOUR, BUT I, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE UNTIL THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE THE MEETING ON THE NEXT THURSDAY.
AND THEY DO HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT, SO I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVEN'T, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THEIR OUT FRIDAY OR MONDAY.
SO I'M SORRY, THE AGENDA'S GONNA GO OUT EITHER FRIDAY OR MONDAY, RIGHT? NO, I'M SAYING, YEAH, NO, I'M SAYING THAT THE COUNTY MEETS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETS TOMORROW NIGHT.
SO THERE COULD BE THAT THEY SURE.
I HAVE TO BARELY KEEP UP WITH OUR, OUR AGENDA.
YEAH, THEY HAVE TIME TOMORROW NIGHT.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ON HERE.
UM, THE JOINT TOWING BOARD REQUEST, WHICH IS ACTUALLY FROM LAST OCTOBER.
HER EITHER, SO YOU STILL HAVE IT.
SO, WE'LL, I HAD TO DISCONNECT.
WHO KNOWS IF WE, WE WILL OR WON'T.
UM, SO SO THAT TO BE, I GUESS IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HER BY FRIDAY OR MONDAY, WE WON'T INCLUDE IT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, AND THEN THE UPDATE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S GLEN AND BRUCE.
THAT'S YOU ALL'S COMMITTEE, RIGHT? YES.
UM, SO AND YEAH, IN THE PAST, UM, SO IT SAYS THERE WEREN'T ANY MINUTES OR I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT 'CAUSE IT SAYS, OH, NEVERMIND, I DON'T KNOW, EMAIL REQUEST FROM A CITIZEN.
THEY'RE REFERRING TO THE MEETING WHERE THE DISCUSSION OVER CHANDRA SHORES AND MARY SHADY LANE NOTIFY.
THERE WAS NO MEETING MINUTES FOR THIS MEETING, RIGHT? 2022.
'CAUSE ALLISON'S BEEN TAKING MEETING MINUTES.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY TO TAKE MINUTES WHEN THAT WAS, WHEN THE FIRST EVER MEETING.
AND REALLY, I MEAN WE'VE TRIED TO REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL.
THERE'S NOT A LOT GOING ON WITH TRANSPORTATION OTHER THAN UPDATES ON PROJECTS AND OTHER THAN EIGHTH STREET WHERE NOTHING'S IN OKAY.
THERE'S THAT BIG, UM, QUESTION OUT THERE.
THIS GONNA HAPPEN OUT SOUTH STREET'S TWO YEARS AWAY.
AND WHICH STAFF ON THE TOWN OR COUNTY? I KNOW, I KNOW THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.
THAT'S MS. CALLERS, RIGHT? JOHN AND JOHN MEYER.
AND YOU TWO, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE STAFF THAT ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS? IT, IT VARIES.
USUALLY THERE IS A DEPUTY THERE, THE SHERIFF HAS BEEN THERE.
THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS TWO REPRESENTATIVES THERE.
THAT'S WHEN THEY SAID WE'RE NOT DOING A DRAWING FOR BILL MARSHALL HIGHWAY ON THE INTERSECTION OF ROYAL LANE.
UH, THE GUY WHO GAVE US THE SKETCH
NO, THAT'S ALL WE'RE GIVING YOU.
UM, SO DOES IT SOUND LIKE YOU ALL ARE THINKING THAT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO UPDATE THE COUNTY ON OTHER THAN THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE OR MAYBE EVEN THE UM, THE RURAL LANE MARKINGS OR WHATEVER? THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF THAT THEY MAY WANNA KNOW AN UPDATE ON.
I MEAN, I HAVEN'T ASKED FOR IT, BUT, WELL, AND, AND UH, BEEN TALKING WITH JOE ALSO.
THEY'RE GETTING READY SOMETIME THIS MONTH OFF AND THE RIVER, UH, ROCKLAND ROAD BRIDGE.
UH, WE SUSPECT THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE WHEN WE HAVE VISITATION FROM MAYBE THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION.
IT WOULD BE A PHOTO OP TO CUT THE RIBBON.
BUT NOTHING, LIKE I SAID, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITHIN A SHORT DISTANCE OF TIME.
I WOULD THINK THAT MR. PETTY COULD PROBABLY GIVE AN UPDATE ON, OKAY, WE'RE ON A STREET BRIDGE, WE'RE ON TARGET AND COMPLETION DATE IS THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE ANYBODY WOULD WANT TO KNOW.
UM, AND MATT AND LAUREN WORK VERY CLOSELY
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TOGETHER.SO I THINK THE LIAISONS REALLY MORE ABOUT LIKE MAKING SURE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE PUBLIC HAVE AN UPDATE MONTHLY DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS.
I THINK ALSO THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE CAME ABOUT REALLY THROUGH LIAISON.
AND SO I THINK EVERY MEETING THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN JUST KIND OF AN UPDATE ON WHERE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE IS AS A LIAISON GROUP AS WELL, SO.
UM, SO BASICALLY REPORTING BACK TO THE GROUP THAT ESTABLISHED THE COMMITTEE YEAH.
BECAUSE DIFFERENT MEMBERS ATTEND AND IF THERE ARE ANY UPDATES THERE AND I, THERE WAS A EMAIL THAT WE DID RECEIVE ABOUT SHADO AS SHOR ACCESS AND I'LL, I HAVE AN UPDATE FROM
KIND OF ALREADY COME AND GONE SOME OF THOSE UPDATES.
BUT SOMETIMES THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT COMES UP BETWEEN, THEY TYPICALLY THE COUNTY WILL ASK ABOUT THE EMERGENCY ACCESS OFFICE 66 AND, AND BE O NONCOM ATAL.
AND WE HAD GIVEN THE IMPROVEMENT LIST, I WAS ON IT, THEY WERE WAITING FOR THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY.
I MEAN, GETTING TO SAY THE STATE CAN APPROVE THAT.
AND THEN THE DESIGN OF IT, THE ACCESS.
WELL, SO WE'LL LEAVE IT ON THERE AND MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, AT WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, NOTHING REALLY HAD LAST ME, NOTHING REALLY HAS HAPPENED.
IF THEY WANT US TO, WELL, WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS AS WELL.
I MEAN, WE TRIED TO UPDATE YOU THE LAST MEETING.
LIKE THEY SAID, I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT IT'S THE LIAISON COMMITTEE THAT ESTABLISHED THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AFTER THAT.
I THINK IT, I THINK IT CONTINUES TO BE WORTHWHILE.
'CAUSE IT SHOWS OUR COMMUNITY, OUR TWO ENTITIES WORKING TOGETHER AND WE DO GET THE ATTENTION OF BOT AND AT LEAST THEY, THEY COME TO THE MEETING MOST OF THE TIME.
AND SOMETIMES NORFOLK SOUTHERN WILL SHOW UP.
ONE MEETING CAN ONE, ONE TOPIC AND ONE MEETING CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR YEARS.
WELL, AND IT'LL BE INTERESTING NOW THAT JUAN SMITH HAS OFFICIALLY PULLED OUT, IF A DEVELOPER THAT'S INTERESTED IN GETTING IT ON THE EAST, EAST, WEST CONNECTOR DEVELOPMENT TIES TO THAT, THERE MIGHT BE SOME MORE TALK.
WELL, THERE NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
IT MIGHT BE JUST A LITERALLY A ONE SECOND OR ONE SENTENCE OR TWO THING.
UM, TOURISM, WE'RE GONNA JUST, UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TOURISM.
WE'RE GONNA, UM, UH, UH, THAT NIGHT JUST MENTION WHAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEM.
AND PETTY'S GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT THAT NIGHT.
KIND OF LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A TIME I ATTENDED THE LAST ONE, BUT TWO BEFORE THAT WHERE THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING THEIR OWN BREAK, ANDOUR VISITOR CENTER AND THEY WERE GONNA DO ALL THESE THINGS.
AND I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANY TOURISM INITIATIVE.
THE COUNTY I WAS INVITED TO GO TO THEIR LAST COMMITTEE MEETING AND UM, THEY, UM, HE TALKED ABOUT JANE MEADOWS IS FILLING IN, I GUESS WITH THE LACK OF THE TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RECORD.
UM, SHE TALKED ABOUT SOME POTENTIAL, UH, PLANS.
THERE'S AN IDEA OF MAYBE A, IF, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE OUTER BANKS, REMEMBER PEGASUS DURING THE HUNDRED YEARS OF FLIGHT, THEY HAD ALL THE PEGASUS HORSES OUT.
OH, THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING.
I DON'T WANT STEAL BY THUNDER.
BUT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT CREATING A PROGRAM THROUGHOUT THE TOWN AND COUNTY WHERE THERE WOULD BE, UM, AN ADAMANT OBJECT OUT IN FRONT OF BUSINESSES OR A TRACTION.
AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PART OF THE FISHNET PROPERTY AS YOU ENTER INTO AN EVENT CENTER.
SOMETHING LIKE A PUMPKIN PATCH, A
SO I THINK JAMES TRYING TO CREATE TOURISM IDEAS USING COUNTY, UH, PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEY TOUCHED ON, OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT THE NEXT SUBJECT, THE CASE BRING ON HIM.
BUT WHAT I FEEL MY 2 CENTS ON IT IS, ARE THEY AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING? MM-HMM
I MEAN, YOU NEED TO GO VISIT OUR VISTA CENTER IF YOU HAVEN'T LATELY.
WE HAVE EDUCATED TOWN, COUNTY RESIDENTS AND THEY'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE, GREETING PEOPLE.
UM, MATTER OF FACT, I TOOK AROUND, THEY, I, I'M TIRED OF THE CRITICISM.
WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING INSTANCES.
AND WE HAVE A THING CALLED A, A RACK CAR CALLED A WARREN COUNTY WATERING HOLE.
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PROMOTES, UH, BACKROOM BREWERY, A BRIA METERY ON MAIN STREET, UH, HONEY AND HOPS, THE ONE OVER ON, I DON'T KNOW, ON SOUTH STREET, THE BEER MUSEUM AND CHESTER STREET.UM, I TOOK A BUNCH OF THEM AND I WENT AROUND TO SOME, I HAVEN'T BEEN ON SOUTH STREET YET, BUT I'VE GONE INTO THESE BUSINESSES AND SAID, GUYS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR YOU.
AND I TOLD DAVID DOWNES, I SAID, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM YOU HAVE YOUR INCONSISTENCY IN THE HOURS.
PEOPLE WILL SAY, WELL WHAT'S THIS BEER MUSEUM? I'LL GO RIGHT DOWN HERE.
AND THEY'LL GO DOWN THEIR CLOTHES.
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO JIM JUSTICE, BUT I LEFT HIM INFORMATION.
BUT WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE YOUR BUSINESS, YOU NEED TO ESTABLISH REGULAR HOURS FOR OUR FOLKS.
IF I SEND YOU SOMEWHERE, I DON'T WANT TO EGG ON MY FACE.
WELL, I WENT DOWN THERE AND THEY WERE CLOSED AND THE SIGNS SAID THERE WAS THE
BUT TOURISM, WE'RE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB.
OUR TOWN CITIZENS ARE PAYING THE LOAD ON PROMOTING.
IT'S THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY TOURISM.
OUR VISITOR GUIDE DOES NOT STOP AT THE, UH, CORPORATE LIMITS OF FRONT ROW.
MATTER OF FACT, IT INCLUDES ALL WARREN COUNTY AND REALLY SOME CLOSE PARTIALS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THAT'S AN ATTRACTION.
SO I'M HOPING SOMEHOW THAT IS CONVEYED OR ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER BRICK AND MORTAR CENTER.
WE HAVE ONE AND PEOPLE RECOGNIZE IT.
I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM FOR THE COUNTY WITH TOURISM IS WARREN COUNTY IS NOT A DESTINATION.
AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT BEFORE, YOU GO AROUND THE BELTWAY AND ALL THE SIGNS TO PROVE.
ROYAL WIFE AND I WERE IN LANCASTER, PA, AND IF YOU'VE BEEN UP IN THE HO CENTER, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO DO IN PLACES YOU GO TO INTERCOURSE AND BIRD IN HAND.
AND, BUT THE ADS THEY'RE DOING IN PHILADELPHIA SAYS, COME TO LANCASTER.
LANCASTER IS THE NAME, THE RECOGNITION.
THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE, THEN YOU HAVE MAPS AGAIN SHOWING THE WHOLE AREA AND THE AMISH FARM HERE AND COME OVER HERE AND DO THIS.
SO I THINK SOMETIMES WE GET HUNG UP ON, WELL, WE'RE NOT PROMOTING WARREN COUNTY, WE'RE PROMOTING WARREN COUNTY, HOWEVER MANY DAYS WE'RE ALL TOGETHER THERE AND WITH OUR MAPS AND WITH OUR DISTRICT CENTER.
SO, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT A PLAN IS.
NO, I'M GLAD YOU, YOU, YOU ARE VALIDATING WHAT, UM, MR. PETTY WE TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT HE'S GONNA SHARE WITH THAT NIGHT.
BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY ARE, UM, PROMOTED THAT BE RECORDED FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T THERE.
IT'S ONLY GONNA BE SHARED THAT NIGHT USUALLY IS ON.
YEAH, SHE, WELL IT SOMETIMES WE'RE HERE SO IT'LL BE RECORDED FOR US.
AND I ACTUALLY THINK THEY'VE STARTED RECORDING IT THERE TOO, BECAUSE I ASKED FOR THEM TO DO THAT.
SO, AND WE PROMOTE IT BY OFFERING SERVICES TO THE BUSINESSES THAT OPEN IN THE CORRIDOR LIKE WATER AND THE SOER.
WELL, IT'S NOT JUST COME EAT AT OUR APPLEBEE'S.
IT'S EAT AT ALL THESE RESTAURANTS.
SO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA SHARE WITH THEM, WHAT WE'RE DOING AND MAYBE TALK ABOUT LIKE WHAT THEIR DIRECTION IS AND IF THEY WANNA JUMP ON BOARD AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IS MCKAY SPRINGS.
UM, NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE WATER, BUT JUST ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW THAT THERE IS THAT CORNER OUT THERE.
THERE ARE HOW MANY PARCELS? CORRECT ME AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S CHANGED NOW BECAUSE IT USED TO BE THE TOWN OWNED ONE.
YEAH, I I FEEL LIKE I WAS AT THE COUNTY AND PRESENTED THIS TO YOU ALL.
TWO ARE JOINTLY OWNED BY THE TOWN AND THEN THE COUNTY ONE IS OWNED BY THE TOWN, ONE IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY.
AND SO WE'VE OBVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT.
THERE'S SOME PLANS THAT THE COUNTY HAS OUT THERE, UM, ON THE COUNTY OWNED PARCEL IN THE COUNTY.
SO IT'S, WHILE IT'S UNDER THEIR JURISDICTION, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO ENCROACHMENT ON THE TOWN AND COUNTY LOT.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING IS, YOU KNOW, JUST GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
AND TO BE HONEST, HOW DO WE MOVE THAT PROPERTY FORWARD SO IT'S NOT SOLELY OWNED BY THE TOWN AND COUNTY AND IT'S ACTUALLY PUT INTO ECONOMIC PRODUCTIVE USE.
UM, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'VE BEEN HOLDING IT FOR YEARS AND GENERATED NO JOBS, NO TAX REVENUE, BARELY MOWING IT.
UM, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ARE FALLING APART.
SO HOW DO WE MOVE, GET TO PROGRESS GOING THERE, UM, TO MAKE IT AN ACTUAL ECONOMICALLY VIABLE PROPERTY FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
SO, WELL THERE HA THERE WAS INTEREST IN THAT PROPERTY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS SINCE I'VE DOWNTOWN COUNCIL
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THERE.RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY, BUT WE DON'T KNOW AS, AS MR. PETTY SAID, ARE WE PROMOTING IT? AND SO LIKE WE SAID, WE KNOW THAT THERE, THE COUNTY IS DISCUSSING DOING SOMETHING WITH A PIECE OF THAT BACK THERE.
AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE, THE, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? THE, THE, UH, THE LOOKS OF WHAT IS IN THE FRONT AND WHAT COULD, YOU KNOW, IS COMMERCIAL, COULD BE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE GONNA BRING THAT UP JUST TO KIND OF GET A, GET A, BRING THAT TOPIC UP AGAIN.
UM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN ON A MULTITUDE OF LIAISON MEETINGS.
I'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT SINCE THAT'S COME UP TOO THOUGH.
'CAUSE THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAND, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HAD IT HAMMERED IN THAT A PIECE IS OUR A PIECE IS THEIRS, A PIECE IS THEIRS AND OURS.
SO I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN GETTING PUBLIC INPUT SINCE IT'S BEEN FOR THE COUNTY AND I'M LIKE, THAT'S NOTHING THE TOWN CAN DO.
WHAT THE COUNT THEY, THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR PIECE, WHAT THEY DO.
AND, AND, AND THE PIECE THAT WE HAVE IS WHERE THE SPRING IS.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WEREN'T PLANNING TO MARKET THAT OR SELL THAT.
BUT THE OTHER TWO PARCELS THAT WE OWN TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, WE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH IT? AND OBJECT.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM THAT IS GONNA BE ONLY WAYS I MEETING AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE'RE PUTTING ON THERE, UM, TAXES AND JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TALK ABOUT HOW THAT COMES TO BE AND NOT TAXES.
I MEAN, HOW TO GET OUR, GET THE NUMBERS FROM THEM SO WHEN WE'RE SETTING OUR BUDGET, UM, THAT'S THAT.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM, RIGHT? WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A, WE, WE BASED EVERYTHING IN MARCH OFF ONE PROJECTION.
AND, AND THAT'S REALLY, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF JUST DISCUSSING SO THAT WE, WE GET A, SO THAT WE ALL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE ARE THE NUMBERS COMING FROM, WHEN CAN WE GET THE NUMBERS SO THAT AS WE'RE SETTING OUR BUDGET, UM, GO AHEAD AND, AND AGAIN, ANOTHER ITEM THAT'S BEEN ON LIAISON BEFORE, UM, UNFORTUNATELY MR. WILSON WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THAT MEETING.
SO WE REALLY JUST WANT TO, WHILE IT'S STILL FRESH IN MIND, GET IT ON OUR AGENDAS AND IT'S EITHER GOING TO, UH, REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE ATTEND MAYBE THE OCTOBER LIAISON MEETING OR IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S JUST THE TOWN AND THE COMMISSION OF REVENUE TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS, BUT REALLY MAKE THAT FORMAL ASK, PUT IT OUT THERE THAT'S JUST HAPPENED.
UM, AND THEN HOW DO WE MOVE THAT ONE FORWARD AS WELL SO WE JUST DON'T CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE.
AND AND EVEN THOUGH IT WAS VERY MUCH, IT WAS VERY MUCH AWARE, WE WERE VERY MUCH AWARE OF, OF WHAT HAPPENED.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UM, GETTING THE NUMBERS A LITTLE LATER AND HOW IT IMPACTED OUR BUDGET.
I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY ON THE COUNTY IS, SO THIS WOULD GET GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IMPACTED THEM 'CAUSE THEY WERE, WELL IT DID, BUT THEIR BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THEY, WE, OUR BUDGET WAS KIND OF SET IN MARCH AND THEY WERE STILL, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE JUST STARTING OUT.
THEY WERE UP UNTIL LAST MONTH.
SO I'M NOT SAYING IT DIDN'T IMPACT THEM.
I'M SAYING THEY DIDN'T ALREADY HAVE THEIR BUDGET SET AND THEN FIND OUT THAT THEIR REVENUE WAS SHORT AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO US.
SO, UM, WE JUST WANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO NOT HAVE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN FOR US.
LIKE WHAT DO, WHAT CAN WE ALL DO TO, TO AVOID THAT AGAIN, AREN'T THE ANNUAL, ARE THEY DOING ANNUAL OR EVERY OTHER YEAR ASSESSMENTS? EVERY OTHER YEAR.
NOW IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S TWO YEARS.
SO I MEAN THIS WAS A YEAR OF ASSESSMENTS.
SO NEXT YEAR NOTHING CHANGES APPEALS.
IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE EVERY YEAR.
EVEN WITHOUT THE ASSESSMENT EVERY YEAR.
WELL, JUST THE YEARS THAT ASSESSMENTS YEAR, THE YEARS THAT ASSESSMENTS ARE WHAT IMPACTED THE REVENUE.
THE OTHER YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD ISSUES IS GETTING THE BOOKS ENOUGH, GETTING THE INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN GET OUR BILLS OUT.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE WENT FROM JUNE 5TH TO NOT UNTIL JUNE 20TH OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE IT WAS JUST REALLY CHALLENGING.
AND MAYBE THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA BE.
BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, WE JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND TOO, LIKE WHERE THE NUMBERS CAME FROM AND HOW WE GOT OFF SO MUCH.
SO, UM, THAT'S WE'RE GONNA AT LEAST, IF NOT TALK ABOUT IT NEXT WEEK, WE'RE GONNA ASK TO HAVE A TALK ABOUT IT IN OCTOBER AND UM, OR BEFORE.
WOULD IT BE A, UM, WOULD IT BE AN UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION? I'D, I'D BE CURIOUS ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE TRANSITION, FRED DAILY.
'CAUSE I'VE HEARD VARYING THINGS ON WHEN HE'S EXITING AND, AND I MEAN, DO WE, DO WE WANT TO ASK HIM THAT FORMAT OR NO? WELL, I'M GONNA SAY NO ON THAT BECAUSE LIKE, THEY DIDN'T ASK US WHAT WAS GOING ON WHEN WE TRANSITIONED WITH THE NEW TOWN MANAGER.
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BUT I, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.LIKE, I MEAN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T ASK, BUT THAT COULD BE A, A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WHEN WE WERE TREATED, WE DIDN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD DATES AND THINGS THAT WE HAD IN LINE, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T, DO YOU ALL WANT US TO ADD THAT TO SAY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOUR ADMINISTRATOR OR, OR DO WE JUST WANNA ASK? I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY'VE SAID IT TO THE PUBLIC.
HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY STATED SOMETHING TO THE PUBLIC? LIKE WHEN THE, I MEAN I THINK IT WAS LIKE VACO HAD HAD THE ADVERTISEMENT ON VACO.
UM, LIKE THE PACKET AND THE PRESENTATION.
UM, AND THAT ONE OF THE SUPERVISORS ASKED AND THEY RECORDED AND THEY WERE, THERE WERE, THEY HAD THE CONSULTANT ON AT ONE OF THE WORK SESSION MEETINGS.
AND I THINK THEY WERE TARGETING JULY TO START THAT PROCESS AGAIN.
I MEAN I KNOW THAT MR. DALEY HAS, I, I BELIEVE HE'S BEEN PUBLIC, BUT AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, HE'S MOVED IN TO RETIRE.
I HEARD FROM MY FORMER COUNTY DEPARTMENT HEAD.
OKAY, WELL HOW THEY GET THEIR INFORMATION, DO THEY KNOW? I MEAN, IT, IT WILL AFFECT US IN A WAY.
MEAN WE'RE ALL COUNTY CITIZENS TOO.
SO WE COULD ALWAYS ASK, WE COULD ALWAYS ASK OUR OWN PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT US TOO.
THE NEXT THING IS THE FARM PROPERTY FEES.
AND THAT'S JUST WHAT WE DISCUSSED BEFORE.
THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE TO THEM.
ONE BEING THAT IF WE, IF THEY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO KEEP TRACK OF HOW MANY COUNTY CITIZENS ARE USING OUR PROPERTY AND THEN MAYBE TAKING THAT OFF OF THE TIPPING FEES OR, UH, THE OTHER OPTION WAS TO THAT WE'RE JUST GONNA CHARGE THE COUNTY CITIZENS.
DALEY AND WE DISCUSSED AFTER THE WORK SESSION ABOUT THOSE TWO OPTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, NO REAL, YOU KNOW, NO FEEDBACK.
IT JUST, MAYBE THIS IS GOOD LIAISON TOPICS.
SO AGAIN, THE PREFERRED OPTION WAS REDUCTION OF THE TIPPING FEES.
SECOND OPTION WAS THE FEE TO STRAIGHT TO THE USER.
AND WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, WE, I WILL SAY THIS WHEN WE BRING IT UP, PROBABLY OUGHT TO HAVE LIKE A TIMEFRAME IN OUR MINDS THOUGH, LIKE TO SAY, HEY, YOU ALL GO BACK.
YOU DISCUSS IT AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THE TIPPING FEE IS FINE.
BUT IF THEY'RE, I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO DRAG OUT FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEM NOT PUT IT ON THEIR AGENDA AND THEN WE'VE GONE ANOTHER SIX MONTHS WITHOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOUP SOME OF THE EXPENSE THAT THAT IS COSTING OUR TOWN CITIZENS.
SO, UM, THIS IS JULY WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR US TO SAY WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW IN THE END OF SEPTEMBER WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE IT OFF THE TIPPING PIECE.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT GIVES THEM, THAT GIVES THEM TO AUGUST TO TALK ABOUT IT MEETING SEPTEMBER TO TALK ABOUT MEETING.
AND IF WE END UP, IF THEY END UP NOT WANTING TO DO THE UM, REDUCTION IN VPS AND WE ARE CHARGING, THAT WOULD GIVE US A COUPLE MONTHS TO PROCESS START LETTING YEAH.
LETTING PEOPLE KNOW AND HAVE A PROCESS DOWN HOW TO DO IT.
BECAUSE REALLY BY THEN DO PEOPLE DO A LOT OF YARD, DO PEOPLE DO A LOT OF BROADWAY STUFF AT THE END OF THE YEAR? I IMAGINE FALL IS BUSY.
SO YEAH, RANK AND LEAVE I MAKE A LOT OF TRICK.
SO MAYBE BY THE END, MAYBE BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER WE WILL, I MEAN IT COULD BE THEN AUGUST THEY SAY NO WAY WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
AND THEN WE JUST MOVE FORWARD AND KEEP GOING.
OH I GOT A WHAT THE LAST LIAISON MEETING WE DISCUSSED THE MOU WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND I KNOW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WERE GONNA TO MEET WITH THEM.
DO WE NEED TO ADD THAT ON HERE OR IS THAT HAPPENING BETWEEN OUR STAFF STAFF'S BEEN WORKING ON IT.
AND THEY HAVE COMMENTS SENT TO, ONE OF THE MOUS WAS EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL, WHICH REALLY IS IMPORTANT TOPIC.
WE'VE ACTUALLY SENT IT TO THEM FOR COMMENTS.
ON, 'CAUSE THERE WERE SOME CODE SECTIONS, UM, LIKE STATED IN THE OLD ONE.
SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S APPROPRIATE.
SO STAFF HAS THAT WITH THEM TO GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE STATE LEVEL AS WELL TO JUST ENSURE THAT WE'RE COVERING ALL OUR BASES.
AND I'VE SPOKEN EVEN WITH THE BILL OFFICIAL MR. BEAM AT A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT WILL BE SENDING IT HIS WAY AS WELL.
SO DO WE HAVE A TIME, DO WE HAVE A ETA ON WHEN WE'D LIKE FOR THAT MOU TO BE SIGNED WITH THEM SO THAT WE'RE, WE REQUESTED COMMENTS BACK FROM THE STATE BY THE END OF JUNE.
WE DID GET AN EMAIL THIS AFTERNOON SAYING THAT THEY'RE STILL TO TAKEN OUT A WEEK OR TWO.
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SOMETHING BY THE END OF THE SUMMER.I JUST KNOW WE GET THAT MOVING.
'CAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS KIND ABOUT DATE.
MOU ISN'T AS COMPLICATED AS THE ENS.
SO ES IS, SO ONCE THE ENS IS DONE, THE NEXT THING WOULD BE THE BUILDING CODE.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU ALL BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE LIAISON MEETING? YES.
UM, ONE COMMENT WAS, UH, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THIS ONE, BUT WHEN WE GO INTO A DROUGHT, WE HAVE TO DO VOLUNTARY MANDATORY WATER CONSERVATION.
UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IS OUR USERS IN THE CORE TO WORK DO NOT HAVE TO ADHERE TO OUR CODE.
UM, THAT WOULD REQUIRE JOINT EFFORT BY THE COUNTY AND US TO ENACT SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE EVEN, EVEN COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO ADHERE TO THE TOWN CODE.
WHICH ALSO DOES FALL BACK ON OUR WITHDRAWAL PERMITS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE TO ENACT SOME OF THOSE, UH, CONSERVATION EFFORTS.
BUT THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NOT HAVING THE CONVERSATION NOW 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT IN A DROUGHT, BUT IT COULD EASILY HAPPEN IN TWO MONTHS AND WE'RE NO RANK.
SO I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY WORTH, UH, WHETHER IT'S THIS LIAISON, BUT, OR HEY TIL THE NEXT ONE.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO KEEP IN TOP OF MIND OF HOW WE, IF OUR TOWN RESIDENTS HAVE TO CONSERVE WATER, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF TOWN PRODUCER, UM, OUR CUSTOMERS ESSENTIALLY.
WE DID, WE DID, WE BROUGHT THAT UP IN THE, WE BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE OCTOBER.
WE NEVER GOT ANY RE BUT WE DIDN'T, AND I, I THINK WE BROUGHT IT UP AND IT WAS LIKE, HMM.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS MORE LIKE A YEAH, THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE.
BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY, UM, AND I'M, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE MAKE SUGGESTIONS OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN AND ASK THEM THAT.
LIKE I DON'T, I DON'T, I HAVE TO GET TO SPEED WITH IT.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST WAY TO GO.
UM, I, BUT I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO HAVE IT BEFORE NEXT THURSDAY, BUT NO, I KNOW
'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT IN DROUGHT.
I THINK IT'S ONE NEVER KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
IT AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO BRING IT UP.
EVEN IF WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK WE SHOULD, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE BROUGHT IT UP IN OCTOBER AND JULY AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED WITH IT.
BUT MAYBE IF WE SAY, INSTEAD OF ASKING YOU ALL TO, THAT SHOULD BE AN ITEM THAT SHOULD STAY ON THE AGENDA UNTIL IT'S RIGHT.
THE OTHER ONE I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT IS THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE WORKING ON THAT BEHIND THE SCENES OR IF THAT'S A LIAISON CONCERN OR LOWER AVENUE.
OH, YOU MEAN THE RASER ROAD? KRA ROAD, YEAH.
OUR, YEAH, I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MOVE THAT ONE FORWARD.
DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MOVE IT FORWARD AND THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO WORK ON IT? CORRECT.
SO IT ISN'T A, IT ISN'T THAT THEY ARE IN A DISAGREEMENT.
SO MAYBE THAT REQUIRES, OF COURSE, BOTH LOCALITIES TO COOPERATE IN THE PROCESS, RIGHT.
HAS TO BE RIGHT EACH, EACH SIDE HAS TO HAVE A RESOLUTION AND SO ON AND RIGHT, THEN IT GOES TO COURT.
SO WHY CAN WE, CAN WE TALK ABOUT LIKE A TIMEFRAME, LIKE BY THIS TIME IT'S READY TO GO TO THEM AND GO TO US SO THAT WE HAVE WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT'S A REASONABLE WELL, YEAH, LIKE TWO MONTHS, MONTH, THREE MONTHS.
WELL, I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE, UM, I MEAN I'M, I'M I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
IF YOU SAY A YEAR, THAT'S FINE.
I JUST, I'M JUST, I WOULD I BY THE END OF THE YEAR? YES.
BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD INVOLVE, THEN IT WOULD INVOLVE US DOING A RESOLUTION, THEM DOING A RESOLUTION, PUBLIC HEARING AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND BY THE END OF THE YEAR THEY'RE GONNA HAVE NEW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE NEW MEMBERS ON THERE OR BY THE FIRST YEAR.
THEY'LL, SO WE'LL JUST BE EDUCATING EVERYBODY AT THE SAME TIME.
I WANNA ASK A QUESTION ABOUT BACK TO THE WATER CONSERVATION ISSUE.
UM, DO, DO WE HAVE TO LIKE ASK FOR PERMISSION? YOU KNOW HOW THE SIGN, YOU PUT A SIGN UP THAT I SEE ON 55 THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, FRONT OIL'S UNDER MANDATORY WATER CON, DO WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH OF THOSE SIGNS THAT WE COULD PUT THEM OUT IN THE COUNTY AND THEN DO WE HAVE TO ASK THE COUNTY'S PERMISSION TO DO THAT? WE, SO WE
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WOULD WE, COULD WE MAKE THE YELLOW ONES? THE THE ONE THE DIGITAL OH THE DIGITAL ONES, YEAH.WE ALSO HAVE THE BRIGHT YELLOW ONES THAT PUBLIC WORKS WILL PUT UP THAT WE MAKE IN HOUSE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THIS ORDINANCE, WE COULD WORK THROUGH THAT.
OBVIOUSLY THE SIGN VDOT PATROLS THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS.
SO LIKE WE COULD PUT IT OUT ON THE, AT THE COUNTY LINE VERSUS THE COUNTY.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, COULD BUILD INTO ANY, ANY AGREEMENTS THAT WE WOULD PUT UP ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE IN THE CORRIDOR FOR CONSERVATION THAT COULD BE THE SUBJECT OF AN MOU AS OPPOSED TO A COUNTY ORDINANCE.
BUT THERE'S EVEN RESIDENTIAL, UM, BLUE.
THERE'S EVEN RESIDENTIAL AREAS OUT THERE THAT HAVE TOWN WATERS.
SO I MEAN, YES, I WOULD AGREE PUTTING 'EM AS THEY'RE GOING IN AND OUT TOWN, BUT FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT THERE THAT ARE HOPPING ON 66, THEY MIGHT NOT SEE THAT SIZE.
YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER VAGUELY SOME DISCUSSION THAT WE COULD MOUNT SAW AND BLUE A SHADOW.
BUT YOU GET INTO THE ENFORCEMENT OF IT.
WELL SOME GUYS OUT THERE WATERING HIS FLOWERS AND WERE MANDATORY AND WASHING HIS CAR EVERY DAY.
YOU CAN HAVE A SIGN ALL DAY LONG, BUT IF WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT, SO.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S LIKE THE SPEEDING THINGS.
THE SPEEDING LIKE A SPEED LIMIT.
THE PEOPLE WHO WERE GONNA OBEY ARE GONNA OBEY.
BUT, BUT, BUT THERE ARE FINES INVOLVED WITH THE COMMERCIAL.
AND I'M JUST SAYING THERE ARE FINES INVOLVED WITH, WITH, I MEAN THERE ARE FINES.
I'M NOT SAYING WE, WE, WE ISSUE THEM.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE FINES INVOLVED THAT, BUT UNLIKE YOU WHO WOULD ENFORCE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE THE TOWN.
WELL THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF, IF WE'RE IN THE ROUTE MANDATORY AND THERE WERE OUT APPLEBEE'S WASHING THE DRIVEWAY DOWN.
YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, I'M GONNA STOP LEANING A LOT.
WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU ALL WANTED? SO LAST MONTH WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT AFEX PARCELS.
DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AFEX PARCELS AGAIN? IF IT GOES ANYTHING LIKE THE LAST, THERE AIN'T GONNA BE A LOT OF TALKING.
YEAH, WELL WE SHARED INFORMATION BUT IT WAS NEW INFORMATION TO THEM.
UM, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION THOUGH.
BUT I, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S THE SAME THING WITH US WHEN WE BRING THINGS TO LIAISON, WE BRING IT UP AND WE SHARE WHAT OUR, YOU KNOW WHAT THE SUMMARY IS.
I GUESS I COULD, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY SAY ANYTHING.
BUT, BUT YEAH, I GUESS I COULD REASON WITH THAT.
IF THERE WAS SOME CON CONTRIBUTION TO THE AGENDA TOO.
THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION NOR CONTRIBUTION TO THE, BUT WHOEVER IS GONNA REPRESENT THEM WILL HAVE HAD THE AGENDA.
SO DEPENDING ON WHAT IS IN THE SUMMARY FOR THE APTEX PROPERTY, UM, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD'VE REVIEWED IT.
AND I MEAN WILL THE ASK BE THAT THEY DISCUSS IT? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT WE GUESS WE TALKED ABOUT? I THINK THE LAST, LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT THE, IT WAS THE MOU OF 2019 MOU THAT TALKED ABOUT THE TWO PARCELS THAT WERE EITHER BEING CONVEYED TO THE TOWN OR COUNTY OR THE USES WOULD BE MUTUALLY AGREED UPON BY THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.
ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES WAS JUST IN THE NEWS.
SO WE MIGHT WANT TO JUST ASK IF WE, IF ANYBODY, IF THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN AGREED TO THE USE, I THINK IT UM, ONE OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS MAY OR MAY NOT LEASE THE AVTEC PARKING LOT.
UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE PARCELS THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE MOU THAT TALKS ABOUT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY AGREEING TO.
SO PROBABLY IS WORTH AS OKAY MEETING.
THEY JUST AGREED TO THE LEAST PART OF THE PARKING LOT TO THE VETERANS OF FOREIGN WAR.
THE ONE THING I WILL SAY THOUGH, WHEN WE BROUGHT IT UP THE LAST TIME, I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE TOLD WELL YOU CAN TALK TO, WE HAD TO TALK TO YEAH.
THEY SAID YOU'LL NEED TO TALK TO THE ED ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MOU SAID.
MOU SAID IT WAS, IT WAS BETWEEN THE TOWN COUNTY.
MR. SON TO, TO AGREE ON THE DISPOSITION TO AGREE ON IT OF A NUMBER OF PARCELS.
SO ARE YOU GONNA BE AVAILABLE NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT? UM, COUNSEL DOES NOT TYPICALLY ATTEND LIAISON.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE CAN MEET BEFORE, I MEAN I'M AVAILABLE.
I ONLY SAY THAT 'CAUSE THE LAST TIME WE WERE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE IF YOUR, YOUR SUMMARY IS VERY SPECIFIC TO AND HIGHLIGHTS THE AREAS THAT IT SAYS THIS, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR US TO, TO CONVEY THE CONCERNS OR, OR THE DISCUSSION.
AND WHEN WILL THE DISCUSSION HAPPEN BETWEEN THE TWO BODIES AS TO WHAT THEY WANNA DO WITH THAT PIECE? THAT'S IN THE 2019
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MOU ACTUALLY IT'S 1999.I WAS GONNA SAY I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS IN 2000.
SORRY, THINK I THOUGHT THEY SAID 2019.
WE JUST READING THE MINUTES FROM AND WHAT DID IT SAY? UM, THEY ASKED FOR A MAP OF THE AREA AND QUESTIONED THE MINIMUM ACREAGE AND THE MO VIEW EMPHASIZING A PAGE THAT SPECIFIED EIGHT ACRES AND OVERALL WOULD LIKE A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROPERTY AND MO YOU SO HE SAID HE COULD GET A MAP AND SHOW HIM.
I THOUGHT WE HAD A MAP THAT NIGHT THOUGH.
WERE YOU WITH ME? I WAS, YEAH, WE DID HAVE THE MAP.
THE ONLY RESPONSE I REMEMBER HEARING WAS SOUNDS LIKE A CONVERSATION YOU SHOULD HAVE WITH THE IDIOT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER TOO.
AND SO, BUT IT'S ENDED THERE, BUT SINCE THEN IT'S NOT A CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH THE EDA.
ADDED THIS MEETING'S GONNA BE LONGER THAN AN HOUR.
I'M JUST GONNA LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT
UM, SO SPEAKING OF THAT MEETING, WHO'S GONNA JOIN ME THAT NIGHT? DON'T ALL JUMP AT ONE BECAUSE YOU JUST HEARD THIS AGENDA.
I DID THE LAST ONE I JUST DID.
I'M WANNA SAY YOU DIDN'T NO, YOU DID A WHILE BACK, BUT I HAVE AN EVENT ON THE NO, NO, NO, THAT'S NOT, YEAH, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHO WAS WITH ME LAST OCTOBER.
WELL YOU'RE DOWN TO WAYNE'S NOT HERE.
I DON'T WANNA DO THAT TO HIM RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW
I REMEMBER I WAS GONNA SAY JOSH, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU'VE GONE BEEN A WHILE.
YOU ARE YOU, YOU ARRESTED IF NO, YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL I'LL GO.
I MEAN IF, IF IF, IF I HAVE TO.
ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT HOUR.
YOU LIKE NO, I, I WAS GONNA SAY, WELL THIS, THIS, THIS WILL SEGUE INTO WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY TOWARDS THE END.
UH, BUT I WILL BE AB OR I'LL, I'LL BE HERE VIRTUALLY FOR THE AUGUST 2ND WORK SESSION.
SO THAT'LL MAKE UP FOR THAT I GUESS.
ARE YOU SURE?
I MEAN IF YOU DON'T MIND I'M NOT TRYING TO AND MAYBE TINA, ACTUALLY I THINK IT WAS KIND OF MY TURN IN THE ROTATION ANYWAYS BECAUSE I HAD THAT QUESTION MARK IN MY NOTES.
I'M LIKE, YEAH, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME I DID THIS? I WAS GONNA SAY I CAN, I WANNA SAY MAYBE IT WAS APRIL OF LAST AND YOU, THE LAST ONE YOU WENT WITH ME WAS AT THE COUNTY THE LAST TIME BECAUSE YOU WERE SITTING BESIDE ME AT THE COUNTY.
THEY SKIPPED ONE LAST, LAST YEAR.
THEY, WE DIDN'T END REMEMBER LAST, LAST, YEAH, LAST YEAR.
THEY CANCELED ONE AROUND THE TIME OF SUMMER JULY.
'CAUSE WE COULDN'T REALLY PICK A DATE THAT WOULD WORK FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE ARE MOVING INTO CLOSE.
IF SOMEBODY COULD BREATHE INTO THAT.
CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 AND 2.2 DASH SEVEN 12.
THE DAKOTA OF VIRGINIA FOR FOLLOW PURPOSES ONE PURSUANT TO TWO TWO DASH 3 7 1 A1 DAKOTA OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION ARE INTERVIEWS OF PERSPECTIVE SUBPOENA FOR ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A EIGHT OF DAKOTA, VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION LEGAL COUNSEL, EMPLOYEE BY PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, A PEYTON STREET PARKING AREA, EASEMENT AGREEMENT, AND B, THE INSOLVENCY AND DISPOSITION OF ASSETS OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA.
OKAY, MS. SMITH, I'M GONNA RUN ON BACK HERE.