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WE'RE GOOD.[Planning and Zoning Work Session on June 4, 2025.]
UH, I WILL CALL TO ORDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION WEDNESDAY, JUNE 4TH, 2025.MS. POTTER, MS.
COMMISSIONER MARRAZZO HERE WE ARE IN SESSION AND JOINING US BY, UH, ZOOM HOOKUP IS PLANNING DIRECTOR LAUREN KKI.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL MAYBE HEAR A VOICE WHEN WE NEED TO.
MR. WARE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT THE REZONING APPLICATION? SURE.
ONE ITEM OF BUSINESS, UH, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IS REZONING APPLICATION.
UH, THIS IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
SO IT'S A REZONING, UH, PERMIT NUMBER 25 0 0 2 38.
UH, THEY WANT A T MAP 28 6 SECTION ONE PARCELS FIVE C AND LOT NUMBER SIX.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT, AND THE REQUEST TO REZONING TO R THREE.
UH, SO, UH, 1 78, 1 75, 38 GIVES US THE STATEMENT OF C ONE.
THAT'S COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT TO ACCOMMODATE GENERAL BUSINESS AREAS, HIGHWAY ORIENTED COMMERCIAL, UH, USES AND SELECTED RETAILING OPERATIONS.
UH, THE R THREE, IT'S MEDIUM TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, SO, UH, THOSE CAN BE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, TWO FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY.
SO THE R THREE GIVES US THE HIGHEST DENSITY, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USES.
THAT'S THE, SO ANY OF THOSE COULD WORK.
SINGLE FAMILY, TWO FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY COULD WORK IN THE R THREE.
UH, SO THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS WHERE THESE LOTS ARE.
UH, SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SOUTH ROYAL AND EAST, UH, WEST CHRYSLER ROAD, THAT'S THE SEVEN 11 THERE ON THE CORNER.
THEY HAVE FRONTAGE OFF OF ELSA DRIVE HERE, LOT SIX AND LOT FIVE C.
UH, THEY CURRENTLY STILL, UH, THEY HAVE LOT FIVE D AND THAT IS ZONED R THREE.
UH, THIS IS UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP, THESE THREE LOTS.
THIS IS CURRENTLY ZONED R THREE.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR REZONING FOR, UH, ACCESSES UP HERE ON ELSA.
UM, THIS IS THE ASSISTED LIVING, UH, COMMONWEALTH.
THEY'RE ADJACENT TO LOT FIVE D THERE.
UH, THEY, UH, HAVE BEEN BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS AT ONE POINT WITH COMMONWEALTH ABOUT DOING SOME EXPANSION.
UH, THEY, UH, POTENTIALLY THEY, THEY WAS LOOKING TO EXPAND, UH, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT LOT FOR COMMONWEALTH, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM TO EXPAND.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THEY CONSIDERED, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS THOUGHT THAT THE REZONING WOULD WORK FOR THESE TWO LOTS HERE IN CONJUNCTION WITH FIVE D.
THAT'S ALREADY, UH, IN THE R THREE.
SO THERE'S THE, UH, ZONING MAP.
UH, SO THAT IS CURRENTLY R THREE THAT'S SURROUNDING THAT.
UH, SO THIS IS THE C ONE IN THE COMMERCIAL THERE.
SO IT DOES ADJOIN THE R THREE ZONING DISTRICT.
JOHN, IS COMMONWEALTH SENIOR LIVING R THREE? YES.
YEAH, SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU THE BACKGROUND OF A LOT, YOU KNOW, BEING COMMERCIAL, IT SETS OFF OF ELSA DRIVE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S YOU SOME QUESTION WITH ASSESS ACCESSIBILITY FOR COMMERCIAL USE THERE, SINCE IT DOESN'T, UH, FRONT ON SOUTH ROYAL OR WEST KREER.
UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, COMES INTO PLAY A LITTLE BIT THERE.
UM, ONE OF THOSE, IT IS KIND OF LIKE OF AN ODD COUPLE LOTS THERE.
THE WAY THE FRONTAGE IS SET UP, JUST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
SO, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, AREA.
PROSPECT HILL DOES HAVE THAT, UM, AREA.
UH, THIS IS A SEVEN 11 HERE IN THAT AREA.
UH, IT IS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT IS IN, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DID HAVE THAT CONVERTING TO RESIDENTIAL.
THEY DID HAVE A CONSERVATION AREA HERE THEY THOUGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
SO THESE LOTS HERE, THEY DO HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS.
UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS PROBABLY THEY HAVE REMAINED VACANT FOR SOME
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TIME.THEY DO HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT ISSUES, UH, PROBABLY STEEP SLOPES OR UH, STEEP GRADES IN THOSE AREAS.
SO THEY, DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY LOOKED AT THAT AREA, SAID, WELL, IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST SUITED TO BE DEVELOPED.
SO THAT THOSE LOTS DO HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS, UH, ON IT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LOT.
UH, SO THIS KIND OF TURNS, SO THIS IS ELSA COURT TO DRIVE HERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE.
THIS WOULD BE THE ONE LOT THERE.
SORRY, DO YOU MIND GOING BACK ONE SLIDE JUST REALLY QUICKLY? MM-HMM
SO THAT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT FOR THE LIGHT.
YELLOW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM THE R THREE.
THIS IS, SO THESE, UH, SO HOW DO THE, LIKE, HOW, HOW DO WE LOOK AT THOSE TWO? RIGHT.
SO THIS WILL BE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNTIL WE GET THE ZONING CHANGED TO MATCH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THESE ARE THE CATEGORIES WE HAVE USED.
SO, UH, SO WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, SO THOSE ZONES ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OUR CURRENT, OUR CURRENT ZONING UNTIL WE AMEND THE ZONING WITH TO MATCH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THESE ARE THE CATEGORIES HERE.
YOU WANNA TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
NOW IT, YOU SHOULD UNDER, UH, TRY TO FIGURE OUT IF THE REZONING MATCHES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR WHAT OUR FUTURE, WHAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT WE INTENDED IT TO LOOK LIKE.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, YOU HAD A REZONING THERE ON WEST ROSEBURG ROAD WHERE IT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S THE ONE WE REZONED RESIDENTIAL, EVEN THOUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAD THAT STAYING COMMERCIAL USE.
BUT THEN WE LOOKED AT IT, THAT HAMMERHEAD DRIVEWAY, IF YOU REMEMBER, KIND OF LIMITED BUSINESS HAS GONE ON THAT STRETCH.
SO PROBABLY WAS BETTER SUITED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS THE SAME SITUATION HERE, IF THESE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, UH, BUT WE DID HAVE A, BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL USE, SOME TYPE, NOT NECESSARILY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY.
THEY, WE DECIDED THAT SHOULD BE SOME RESIDENTIAL USE, UH, MAYBE NOT NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY DID ANTICIPATE CHANGING THAT TO SOME MM-HMM
SO AS A GENERAL GUIDELINE, THE, WITH THE, THE AUTHOR'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN KNEW THERE WAS A PROBLEM HERE.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THE C ONE DESIGNATION, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SAY.
SO THIS, THAT WAS A FORWARD LOOKING THING, NOT AS IT WAS.
AND I GUESS I WAS JUST THINKING THAT R THREE SEEMS TO ALLOW FOR MUCH MORE THAN, I MEAN, OR SOMETHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY.
UH, SO THAT'S THE ONE LOT THERE OFF OF ELSA AND WAY THE PLAT, SO THIS IS ELSA AGAIN UP HERE.
THE ONE LOT, THEN THE SECOND LOT, LOT THREE.
LITTLE BIT, UH, WE CAN GO BACK.
THERE ARE THE, THE TWO LOTS THERE AGAIN.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WHOEVER WAS DEVELOPING A VIEW ESTATES, WHICH IS THAT AREA THERE, LEFT THAT, THAT SPACE BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA PUT MORE HOUSES THERE.
WELL, THEY HAD THOSE LOTS HAD TO HAVE ROAD, SOME TYPE OF ROAD FRONTAGE.
SO THEY COULDN'T BE LANDLOCKED.
SO THAT'S THE ACCESS THEY HAVE IS ON ELSA COURT THERE.
RIGHT? I NOT THIS SOMEWHERE ONLINE.
I WONDER WHY THEY DID IT IN 2012.
THEY WAS EXCHANGE OF THE PROPERTIES AND UH, THEY VACATED SOME PROPERTY LINES WITH THOSE LOTS AND CAME UP WITH THIS CONFIGURATION.
THAT'S WHAT THEY, UH, WE DID AT THAT TIME.
UH, THERE'S THE, THE REAR LOT THERE.
SO AS COMMERCIAL USE, AND YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T FRONT ON SOUTH ROYAL, UH, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THEY DID GIVE A STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION.
UH, THEY OWNED THE THREE PARCELS THERE, TWO OF THE PARCELS, OR C ONE, THE THIRD THAT WE POINTED OUT IS ALREADY R THREE.
THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE TWO PARCELS.
UM, THEY SAY TO CON TO CREATE CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE THREE PARCELS AND MORE RANGE OF USES.
THAT'S WHAT THEY, UH, PUT ON THEIR STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT THEY DID NOT OFFER ANY PROFFERS, UH, FOR THAT.
UM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? OFFER ANY PROFFERS? UH, THEY DIDN'T OFFER ANY PROFFERS, WHICH WOULD BE IMPACT ON PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURES.
THEY DID NOT, UH, THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT THEY DID NOT ANYTHING, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT IF USUALLY A DEVELOPER, WHEN THEY'RE STARTING A NEW SUBDIVISION WILL OFFER,
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UH, WE WILL GIVE YOU X NUMBER OF DOLLARS FOR THE SCHOOLS PER UNIT OR WILL GIVE YOU X NUMBER OF DOLLARS FOR THE PLUMBING KNOW HAS TO BE IN SUCH AND SUCH FOR THE ROAD.SO THAT, THAT'S A PR WHEN, WHEN THE DEVELOPER OFFERS TO PAY THE TOWN BACK SOMETHING, THE EXPENSE, THE TOWN WILL HAVE TO HELP THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
IT HELPS MAKE IT TO BE THE BEST PUBLIC INTEREST BY THEM DOING THAT.
IF, IF IT PUTS A BURDEN ON THE PUBLIC BY TAKING ACTION, THEY OFFER SOMETHING TO RELIEVE THAT BURDEN, THEN, THEN IT'S, THAT'S ONE WAY THING.
SO WOULD LIKE THE KEY, THE KEY WORD THERE, BEING OFFER.
CAN'T ASK FOR, CAN'T BE DEMANDED WHEN YOU GO TO CLASS, THEY'LL BEAT THAT INTO YOU.
SO IT JUST, THAT'S WHAT I SAYING.
BUT THEY'RE NOT ASKING THOUGH.
THE ONLY THING THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS REZONING.
NOW THEY'RE SAYING IT MAY BECOME SOMETHING, BUT THEY'RE NOT.
YEAH, THEY GAVE A COUPLE RENDERINGS.
UM, NOW WHETHER THAT MATCHES OUR CURRENT ZONING AND THE SETBACKS AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, NO WAY.
UH, SO IT IS JUST A CONCEPT DRAWING WHAT THEY ENVISIONED POTENTIALLY COULD HAPPEN THERE.
UH, LIKE I SAID, THEY DID NOT CHECK WITH THE SETBACKS, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT LAYOUT, UH, IS JUST THEIR VISION OF IT.
UH, POTENTIALLY THEY WERE THINKING MAYBE THE CONNECT TO THE EXISTING ASSISTED LIVING THERE, UH, WITH THE ONE RENDERING.
UM, UH, I THINK THEY WAS DOING SOME COTTAGES.
THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD DO SOME COTTAGES UP HERE.
UM, THAT'S NOT UNDER OUR DEFINITION.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY CAME UP WITH COTTAGES, BUT
UM, WE DID LOOK, STAFF DID LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY.
UH, THE LOTS HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR SOME TIME.
THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT, FOR DEVELOPMENT.
IT DOES HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS.
SO THIS IS JUST THEIR CONCEPT THAT THEY THOUGHT, UH, THREE POTENTIAL AREAS THAT THEY, OR THREE POTENTIAL SCENARIOS THEY ENVISIONED, UH, FOR THAT.
SO, UM, WHEN THEY CALLED VILLAS JOHN BACK IN, BACK IN MONTH, ARE THEY THINKING OF THAT AS APARTMENTS OR WHAT? IT LOOKS LIKE HE SOME TYPE OF APARTMENT THERE.
SO SOMETIMES THEY DO, BUT THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE REZONING.
UH, THEY DO NOT HAVE A, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT LIKE A, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR LAYOUT OF A LOSS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS NOT, DO THEY OWN REQUIRED A LITTLE RECTANGLE DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
WHAT, UH, DOWN HERE? NO, THAT GOES, THAT GOES WITH THE, THAT GOES WITH THE COMMONWEALTH.
SO THEY WAS, THERE WAS BEEN TO SOME DISCUSSION FOR AN EXPANSION OF THE COMMONWEALTH BETWEEN, UH, AT SOME POINT, MY UNDERSTANDING, SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW THIS IS BEST.
UH, MAYBE COMMONWEALTH IS INTERESTED IN EXPANSION.
UH, THEY'VE ENTERTAINED MY UNDERSTANDING.
THEY'VE ENTERTAINED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I KNOW IT CAN BE DIFFICULT BUILDING ACROSS ZONING LINES TOO.
WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD A BUILDING THAT HAPPENS TO CROSS OVER INTO THE ADJACENT ZONING, EVEN THOUGH YOU, YOU COM AND ALSO COMBINING BLOCKS TOGETHER, WHICH ULTIMATELY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO.
THEY, YOU CAN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN MIX AND MATCH AND COMBINE ON A SINGLE D DIFFERENT ZONING.
THEY, THEY, YEAH, THEY WOULD, UH, THEY WOULD WANT TO DEVELOP THIS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT TO, UH, UH, HAVE THOSE PARCELS REZONED.
THEN, UH, IT WOULD BE PROBABLY TO THEIR ADVANTAGE, DO A LOT CONSOLIDATION AND TAKE THOSE THREE LOTS INTO ONE WOULD BE PROBABLY TO THEIR ADVANTAGE.
UM, IF THERE ARE CERTAIN CHALLENGES FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WOULDN'T THOSE SAME CHALLENGES BE THERE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT? YEAH.
BUT THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS JUST, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO REZONE THIS FROM C ONE TO R THREE? YOU'RE WE'RE NOT APPROVING OR LOOKING AT WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING? SURE.
THEY JUST, YEAH, LIKE, LIKE ALL THOSE OTHER PLANS, IN MY OPINION, DON'T FACTOR INTO THIS, UH, FOR THE REZONING.
THEY, THEY, FOR THE REZONING, RIGHT? THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR A REZONING TO CHANGE IT FROM C ONE R THREE.
AND THEY GAVE A COUPLE CONCEPTS WHAT THEY, UH, WOULD ENVISION THAT, UH, MAYBE SOMEONE WOULD, UH, ENTERTAIN OR DEVELOP TO DEVELOP.
BUT WITH THE R THREE, R THREE GIVES SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR HOUSING.
THEY COULD DO SINGLE FAMILY, UH, YOU COULD DO, YOU KNOW, R THREE ALLOWS DUPLEXES, TOWN HOMES, APARTMENTS.
SO AS SOON AS YOU REZONE TO AN R THREE, THEN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD ANY OF THAT STUFF THERE THAT'S, THAT ARE PERMITTED, ALLOWED THE RIGHT IN THE R THREE, OF COURSE, THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL THE SITE DEVELOPMENT SETBACK AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT IT DOES THE, AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE OTHER THINGS IN SINGLE FAMILY,
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I FEEL LIKE I'M, I'M, ANYWAY, I'M PICKING A BOW MAYBE THAT I SHOULDN'T, BUT R THREE THEN DOESN'T, DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, FUTURE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SINGLE FAMILY.
AND I GUESS I'M JUST, IT HAS CHANGED FROM COMMERCIAL.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS CHANGED FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT ONLY SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THAT'S WHAT AN R ONE ONE IS THAT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO SAY? NO, NOT R THREE, BUT R ONE WILL APPROVE.
I THINK THAT ISN'T WHAT THEY ASKED FOR.
AND, AND IF YOU, IF YOU I GO OUT AND LOOK IR ONE WOULD MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO THE DEVELOP.
I'M JUST TRYING TO OUT WEIGH LIKE, LIKE HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT? I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR PURVIEW TO SAY WE APPROVE R ONE.
ALL WE COULD SAY IS WE DON'T APPROVE THIS.
AND I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE DO, HOW MUCH DO WE WEIGH WHAT THE COMP THE, THE, HAS YET, YOU KNOW, FINALIZED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? LIKE WHAT WEIGHT DOES THAT PLAY IN THIS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS? I, I CAN, WELL, AT LEAST I CAN SAY LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY HAD A FORWARD LOOK WHEN THEY SAID THIS.
THEY, THEY LOOKED AT, THERE'S A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS, THIS, WE, IN THIS AREA THERE'S R THREES, THERE'S R ONES, THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF CC ONES AND ALL THIS MIXED IN.
SO THEY DRAW DREW A BIG BROAD SWATH AND CALLED IT RESIDENTIAL ONE RATHER THAN TRYING TO CUT IT OFF.
BUT, SO I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF A VISIONARY THING, RIGHT? SO FOR, FROM MY VIEWPOINT, THEY WERE SAYING RESIDENTIAL, NOT NECESSARILY JUST, OKAY.
ALL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK.
I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, ADD SOMETHING.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT APARTMENTS ARE, UH, SPECIAL USE IN RRY R NOT BY, RIGHT? YEAH.
I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JOHN.
IS THIS ENTRANCE CORRIDOR? YEAH, BECAUSE IT DOES NOT GOING SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE.
IT DOES NOT FRONT ON SOUTH ROYAL.
YOU PUT THIS ONE BACK UP THERE.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T FRONT ON SOUTH ROYAL, YOU PUT THIS ONE BACK UP THERE.
YOU COULD SEE THIS, THE ONE WE HAD THE UM, THE, THAT YOU CAN SEE ALL THE BUSINESSES RUNNING ALONG.
SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE AND THEN TURNING OFF ON KREER.
THOSE ARE ALL THOSE LOTS, NONE OF THEM.
UM, THERE'S NO ACCESS FROM EITHER KREER OR UM, UH, SOUTH ROYAL, SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE TO THOSE TWO LOTS.
SO THOSE TWO, SO 2 0 8 6 1 DASH TWO A IS NOT HIS.
YEAH, THE BLUE ONES FIVE C AND LOT NUMBER SIX IS OUTLINED IN BLUE.
CONSIDERING THE REZONING, THEY ONLY HAVE FRONTAGE ON ELSA DRIVE DRIVE.
THEY ALSO, THIS LOT HERE IS ALREADY ZONED R THREE.
THEY, THEY HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THESE THREE.
THIS ONE IS ALREADY ZONED R THREE.
THEY'RE ASKING TO REZONE LOCK FIVE C AND SIX TO MATCH THIS ONE.
SO IT'S NOT ON THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR AND IT'S NOT ON ROYAL AVENUE.
AND PART OF LOOKING AT ALL THOSE BUSINESSES OR THOSE COMMERCIAL AROUND THAT ARE ON THE ROAD BY CHANGING THIS, WOULD IT IMPACT THEIR BUSINESSES OR THEIR EXPANSION? SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE.
I MEAN, SO I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THESE, THESE ARE, UH, TOWN HOMES HERE, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE TOWN HOMES HERE, BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU KNOW, HAS THEM AS SINGLE FAMILY.
SO THAT OH, GENERAL VISUAL GENERAL, YEAH.
SO JUST, AND, AND FYI, THE PURPLE, THE BIG PURPLE THAT'S PROSPECTING SURGERY.
UM, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW I LOT TO TAKE IN FOR THIS? UM, NO, JUST, JUST LOOK, LOOK, I'VE GOT MY, MY MAGIC CHECKLIST THAT I HAVE.
SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T FORESEE ANY IMPACT, NEGATIVE IMPACT FROM THE OTHER.
OF COURSE, WE'LL HAVE TO GET, UM, IT'S BEEN SENT OUT THE NOTICES AND SIGNS AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING FOR THE FOLKS AND FOR THE PUBLIC OPINION, WHEN WE HAVE OUR REGULAR MEETING, THEY FEEL, WE RECEIVED A COUPLE PHONE CALLS.
DID YOU RECEIVE A COUPLE OF PHONE CALLS? AT LEAST EMPIRICALLY, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING IN THE WAY STOPPING.
IT'S NOT AFFECTING THE CORRIDOR OR THOSE BUSINESSES OPERATIONS AS FAR AS I CAN TELL AT THIS POINT.
WELL, I MEAN, AT THE, AT THE SAME TIME IT'S THE UNTIL WE KNOW, RIGHT? YEAH.
THERE'S NO ACTUAL PLAN BEING PROPOSED.
IT MIGHT BE, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, AT LEAST FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT EFFECT, PUTTING THIS TO R THREE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE ON THE SURROUNDING AREA,
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THERE'S ONE SMALL ENTRANCE ON AN ALREADY SEEMINGLY RELATIVELY TIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD STREET.AND IF THAT IS THEN THE ENTRANCE EGRESS POTENTIALLY, RIGHT? I MEAN, IS THIS, UM, IT, I THINK IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT IF THEY HAD COME AND SAID, HEY, WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, POTEN, THIS CONTINGENT AGREEMENT TO THIS POTENTIAL AGREEMENT WITH THE, UM, THE SENIOR CARE FACILITY.
BUT THEY'RE JUST SAYING INSTEAD WE WANT VERSATILITY, WHICH I CAN APPRECIATE ON THE ONE HAND, LIKE, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING VERSATILITY AND OPTIONS IS BAD WHATSOEVER, BUT THERE'S SUCH AN UNKNOWN TO THIS AND WHAT THAT USE WOULD BE.
AND THE RESTRICTIONS OF THIS GEOGRAPHICALLY, I DON'T THINK WOULD BE REALLY UNDERSTATED IN THAT WAY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND, AND IS IT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY TO DO AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ULTIMATE, UH, TO GO ALONG WITH.
SO WE WE'RE NOT MAKING THE DECISION TONIGHT.
WE'RE JUST TALKING MR. SONNET CHAIRMAN, THE RISK OF GETTING OUT OF MY LANE.
UM, IT'S POSSIBLE TO CALCULATE HOW MANY DWELLING UNITS COULD GO IN R THREE, CORRECT? UM, BASED, JUST BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED, BUT NOT REALLY BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY.
I GUESS ONE DIFFICULTY IS YOU SAY THAT THERE'S, UM, TOPOGRAPHICAL, UH, CONSTRAINTS MM-HMM
CAN ALMOST SEE THE ROCK FROM THIS PICTURE
IT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY ROCKY, BUT, BUT WE DON'T, THERE'S NO, THE APPLICANT HASN'T PROPOSED A NUMBER OF NO UNITS.
THEY HAVE NOT PROPOSED AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANY ENGINEERING OR ANY STUDIES.
ONLY, ONLY THE, UH, CONCEPT THAT THEY, THEIR VISION WAS BASED ON THAT.
SO, UM, LOOKING THAT LITTLE EGRESS THING, THAT'S CERTAINLY WIDE ENOUGH FOR A ROAD THAT IT ISN'T LIKE THEY'RE GONNA STAND THE CAR ON TWO WHEELS IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH THERE.
IT'S UH, I THINK THE RIGHT OF WAY IS, UH, 50 FOOT WIDE THERE, OR BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINES 50 FOOT.
SO THEY DO HAVE 50 FOOT OF WIDTH THERE.
SO IF THEY WERE GOING TO DO FOR LIKE, UH, SOME TYPE OF HOUSING IN HERE, UH, I'M ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE WIDE ENOUGH FOR TOWN STREET, BUT THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD BE A PRIVATE DRIVE OR SOMETHING ELSE DEPENDING ON TOWN CODE.
WHATEVER THEY DECIDE TO PUT IN THERE, THAT'S THEIR ONLY ACCESS THEY HAVE.
UM, WE, IF THEY CAME TO WITH A RESIDENTIAL, UH, CERTAIN TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN CALCULATE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, UH, IS A MORE OF A VARIABLE TRYING TO CALCULATE, UH, THE NUMBER FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL USES, SO IT'S HARD TO, A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO, TO FIGURE OUT THE TRAFFIC COUNT WHAT'S A COMMERCIAL USE THAN IT IS RESIDENTIAL.
YOU POINT OUT THAT IT, IT'S DETERMINING IF IT'S THE BEST INTEREST AND THAT THAT'S TOUGH IN SOME CASES.
IS IT BETTER? YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT THIS, IF THIS USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS REZONING.
THE OTHER THING IS ON ALL OF THE CONCEPT DRAWINGS COMPARED TO THE ACTUAL OVERVIEW, THEY, UM, AND GRANTED THIS IS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT IES, WHICH IS CONCEPTS THAT CAN DRAWN HOWEVER, BUT THE, UH, LENGTH OF THE BOTTOM OF THE L PIECE, RIGHT.
THE, THE PURPOSE, YOU KNOW, ALMOST, UH, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR HERE FACING ALMOST NORTH SOUTH, THAT EXTENDS FURTHER WELL, UH, THE ACTION.
THIS HERE IS THIS, THIS CONCEPT HERE INCLUDES SOMEONE ELSE'S LOT OR PROPERTY.
I WISH THEY HADN'T INCLUDED THESE, QUITE FRANKLY.
WELL, I'M ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE, THE CARE FACILITY.
THEY'RE SHOWING THIS AS IF THERE CAN BE THIS, UM, PARKING AND TRAFFIC ABILITY AROUND THE SIDE OF THE ASSISTED CARE FACILITY.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THE SATELLITE IMAGE, THERE'S ALMOST NO ROOM AND DEFINITELY NOT ROOM FOR ENOUGH PAVEMENT LIKE THAT UNLESS THEY WERE TO CHOP OFF PART OF THE BUILDING.
HOW CLOSE THAT IS COMPARATIVELY LIKE THAT.
I THINK THEY HAVE A VISION OF A ROAD COMING DOWN HERE AND
I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY PART OF THE LOSS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, BUT GIVEN THAT THESE ARE THE CONCEPTS THEY'RE SHOWING US, THERE'S AN ASPECT LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT EXIST UNLESS THEY CUT THE BUILDING.
YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THAT'S SHOWING MORE SPACE BETWEEN THE END OF THE CITY LIVING PLACE.
LIKE I SAY, I ALMOST WISH THEY
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HADN'T PUT 'EM IN THERE BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY HAD ITS CONFUSION BECAUSE REALLY IT'S JUST EYE IN THE SKY.NOT THESE ANYTHING WITHIN THE R THREE.
BUT WITH IT BEING WHAT IS COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL C ONE RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, THAT COULD BE ANYTHING TOO.
ANYTHING WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL AND THERE'S OVERLAP BETWEEN THE TWO.
NO, JUST LIKE THEY COULD, THEY COULD DO THE, THE NURSING HOME EXTENSION IN C ONE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO YEAH, I MEASURE THE RESIDENTS OF THE NURSING HOME WOULD PROBABLY PREFER RESIDENTIAL QUIETER.
WANT TO TWO ON WHEN WE GET TO THE, GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION, IS IT FAIR TO ASK WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE BEEN? THE PHONE CALLS YOU'VE GOTTEN? UH, I THINK THE COMMENTS, UH, NO, WE HAVE TO WAIT.
I MEAN, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY MUST BE ONLY JUST THE TWO HOUSES ON EL C DRIVE.
I MEAN, WHO ELSE WOULD'VE BEEN NOTIFIED? NO.
WELL, WE HAD TO POST, WE POSTED PUBLIC HEARING SIGNED.
ANYWHERE YOU SEE A DOT, OH, THEY GOT LETTERS.
OTHER THAN THESE TWO, OF COURSE THESE DOTS, THESE PEOPLE, BUT THESE ARE VACANT ONES.
BUT THE, THE OWNERS OF, OH, THE OWNERS OF, SO THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS ARE, THEY WERE THE ONLY THREE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY MEET THAT DOT THAT ONE.
AND THAT TRIANGLE LOT'S OWNED BY THE SAME GROUP ANYWAY.
THAT'S LEASE THREE OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON.
SO COMMONWEALTH DIDN'T GET, DOESN'T HAVE THE RED DOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT ADJACENT.
IT'S NOT, SEE, THIS IS NOT, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE ZONING OF THIS ONE JUST SEEMS TO RIGHT.
NOT CHANGING, NOT HAVING TO BE QUESTIONED.
DOES THAT RED.IN THAT DRAWER IN THE NON BLUE ZONE, DOES THAT MEAN ANYTHING? YEAH, DOES THAT MEAN ANYTHING? UH, I CAN'T, I'D HAVE TO LOOK ON THE, MAYBE SOMEBODY JUST HAD A RED TENT SET UP THERE.
NO, IT, IT IS, UH, I THINK IT MAY BE A, A FIRE HYDRANT.
IT'S FIRE HYDRANT BASED ON THE COUNTY GI S'S.
THERE'S A FIRE HYDRANT IN BACK OR A LADY BUG ON THE LAND.
THEY JUST SHOW JUST GENERAL LOCATIONS.
WHERE TO COME? NO, YOUR THOUGHTS MR. BROOKS, YOU'VE BEEN SILENT.
OKAY, WELL, I GUESS WE HAVE ALL WE NEED TO KNOW HEARING, AND THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ARTICLE 11 OF THE VANESSA ORDINANCE REDRAFT.
LAUREN, ARE YOU, UH, AVAILABLE? YES.
SO THIS SECTION WAS DRAFTED PRIOR TO, UH, THE COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD.
SO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE OUR VAPE, UM, DEFINITIONS.
UM, BUT WHAT I'M WORKING ON BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT TIME WE LOOK AT THIS, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY BE AT THE, UM, REGULAR MEETING, UM, WOULD BE THAT, UM, I'M TRYING TO MATCH UP THE USES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR USE MATRIX WITH THE DEFINITIONS THAT WE HAVE ON THE SHEET.
SO AT THE TOP OF THE SHEET, THERE'S KIND OF A KEY TELLING YOU WHERE SOME OF THESE DEFINITIONS CAME FROM.
SO THE RED ONES ARE, ARE EXISTING FROM OUR ORDINANCE, THEN WE HAVE SOME FROM FLOODPLAIN, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME, UM, HERE, I BELIEVE FROM ANOTHER ORDINANCE.
THE, THE SIGN ORDINANCE, I BELIEVE IS THE THIRD ONE.
UM, BUT FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO, YOU KINDA NEED TO LET ME KNOW.
AND THEN WE NEED TO KIND OF DISCUSS WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED.
UH, REAL QUICK, FOR NUMBER SIX,
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IT'S GREEN, T-W-C-E-N BLOOD.CAN, CAN YOU, UH, WHAT IS THAT OR WHAT'S THE ABBREVIATION? STANDING FOR THE DCR? YES, THAT IS LET GET TO IT.
GOTTA BE ON TWO DEVICES TO KIND OF MAKE THIS WORK.
UM, JUST FROM THE FLOOD PLAIN ORDINANCE.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? THOSE ARE FROM THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE.
SO WHAT'S THE GREEN TW? YEAH, SO THAT, THAT IS FROM, THAT'S JUST THE TYPE OF FONT, THAT NAME OF FONT.
SO, AND THAT, UM, CAME FROM FEMA AND WARREN COUNTY.
SO WARREN COUNTY WAS OUR FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR THING.
NO, THE DARK BLUE IS FROM WARREN COUNTY.
UM, THESE ARE DIRECTLY FROM THEME, I BELIEVE.
ARE THOSE THE CURRENT DEFINITIONS OR ARE THOSE THAT CAME OUT OF OUR, UH, FLOODPLAIN SECTION? UM, I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION.
THESE ARE CURRENTLY FROM OURS.
SO WARREN COUNTY UPDATED THEIRS.
THAT'S WHY THOSE DEFINITIONS ARE IN DARK BLUE.
AND THEN, UM, OURS IS IN TWO, OURS IS IN GREEN.
AND YOU SAID THE NEXT LOOK, NEXT LOOK WE GET AT THIS LAWRENCE IS GOING TO BE WHEN, SO WHEN WE MEET, UM, OR DO THE NEXT WORK SESSION ON THE ORDINANCE, WHAT I'M GONNA HAVE FOR YOU IS I'M GONNA LINE THESE DEFINITIONS UP WITH THAT USE MATRIX.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, I SENT IT TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT.
I SENT IT TO THESE CONFERENCE ROOMS, BUT IT TYPICALLY GOES TO THE JUNK SECTION.
THERE'S A USE MATRIX THAT WE HAVE.
IT'S A SPREADSHEET WITH ALL OF OUR ZONES AND THEN ALL OF THE USES THAT WE HAVE LISTED IN OUR ZONES.
SO WHAT I'M WORKING ON IS LINING THESE DEFINITIONS UP WITH THOSE USES SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHICH USES WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT ARE NOT DEFINED, AND THEN GETTING DEFINITIONS FOR THOSE.
AND THEN WE NEED TO ADD IN WHICH DEFINITION OR ANY NEW DEFINITIONS.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, ONCE WE HAVE THAT TABLE, WE CAN ALSO, THAT GOES INTO THE NEXT SECTION WHERE WE START LOOKING AT THE INDIVIDUAL CELLS AND WHAT USES NEED TO BE BY EITHER BY RIGHT OR BY SPECIAL USE.
UH, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF WALK OFF OF THAT TABLE WITH THE USE MATRIX, UH, THAT YOU SENT OUT ARE THE LETTERS THAT ARE IN RED, THE, THE ONES THAT ARE BEING ADDED OR BEING PROPOSED TO BE ADDED AT LEAST.
AND THE BLACK IS WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
OH, IS THERE FOR THE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, IT SAYS RED IS 1 75 0.30, NO, NO, NO.
I TALKING ABOUT THE USE MATRIX THAT SHE SENT OUT RIGHT BEFORE THIS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AS I GO TO LOOK THROUGH THIS.
LAUREN, DID YOU EMAIL, DID YOU EMAIL THAT MATRIX TO THE EAST CONFERENCE ROOM? YES, BUT IT GOES INTO THE, ANYTIME WE EMAIL, IT GOES INTO THE JUNK MAIL.
DO YOU WANT ME TO TRY TO FIND IT AND PULL IT UP IF YOU CAN.
SO LAUREN, AT THIS POINT, AS FAR AS THE EXISTING DEFINITIONS YOU HAVE ON THERE, ARE YOU LOOKING IN FOR ANY INPUT ON THE EXISTING DEFINITIONS OR YOU WANNA LEAVE THAT ALONE FOR NOW? IF, IF YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT'S, IF THIS BODY SEES ANYTHING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO CHANGE WITH 'EM, THEN UM, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY CHANGE 'EM.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME THAT PROBABLY NEEDS SOME CLARIFICATION.
SO I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE ADD IN OUR, OUR ALTERNATIVE HOUSING DEFINITIONS.
I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE KIND OF PUT IN SOME OF THOSE HISTORIC, UM, DISTRICT, YOU CAN KIND OF IMPLEMENT SOME OF THOSE.
YEAH, THAT WAS PART OF THE SHEET I HAD SENT OUT, ADDED ALL THAT, THAT STUFF IN FOR THE FUTURE.
AND, AND THAT WAS, OH, YOU GOT THE COPIES OF THOSE EMAILS.
EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE GOT THAT.
AND, UM, IF THEY'RE ONLY ON THE, ON THE SHEET ITSELF, THE ONLY THING I WAS THE ALL WEATHER SURFACE, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WANTED TO MODIFY THAT DEFINITION A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IT, IT, WHICH ONE? ALL WEATHER SURFACE IT CURRENTLY SAYS CRUSHED
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ROCK GRAVEL OR SIMILAR SURFACE SHALL CONSTITUTE ALL WEATHER SURFACE.AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER DEFINITION THERE, HARD SURFACE WHICH COVERS UP, BUT ALL WEATHER SURFACE ON ANY OTHER DEFINITION I CAN LOOK UP ALL ALSO COVERS HARD SURFACE.
ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT NOT BE HARD TO, ANYWAY, I, I PROPOSED, AND IT'S IN THAT SHEET I SENT OUT WITH THE NEW DEFINITIONS AT THE VERY BOTTOM WHERE IT SAID A SURFACE CONSTRUCTED AND MAINTAINED TO SUPPORT HEAVIER VEHICULAR TRAFFIC UNDER ALL NORMAL WEATHER CONDITIONS THAT MAY INCLUDE ASPHALT, CONCRETE, GRAVEL OR OTHER MATERIALS APPROVED TO, DESIGNED TO EXCESS RUD EROSION OR MUD.
AND YOU CAN THANK PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY FOR THAT DEFINITION.
AND IT'S OKAY TO KIND OF MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, FROM ANOTHER JUROR ANYWAY, THAT, THAT WAS ONE.
AND THAT, AND THEN IN ADDITION, PART OF WHY I WAS LOOKING FOR IS INPUT FROM, FROM YOU AND THE OTHERS OF, OF, UH, WE'RE PUTTING THESE THINGS IN ADVANCE.
WE HAVE ANTICIPATION OF THINGS THAT ARE COMING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AND GO AHEAD AND GETTING THOSE DEFINITIONS IN.
AS, AS YOU MENTIONED FOR THE, UM, THINGS LIKE THE, UH, UPCOMING, UH, ADU AND, UM, THE, UH, SPECIAL PURPOSE HOUSING.
WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT THAT WENT WHERE WE HAVE A NEW DEFINITION FOR THE STUFF WE WENT THROUGH AND, AND YEP.
AND I'LL JUST MENTION, I HAVE THREE OTHER ONES IN HERE BASED ON PUBLIC INPUT AND THEIR CONCERNS AND I I ANTICIPATION OF ENERGY INTENSIVE USER WATER INTENSIVE USER AND INDUSTRIAL NORRIS STANDARD MAXIMUM FOR ANY LARGE SCALE TYPE INDUSTRIAL USER TO
AND THAT WAS ONE THAT, UH, JUST, JUST, UM, JUST LISTENING TO WHAT FOLKS ARE SAYING, WHAT THEY'RE CONCERNED.
THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TOO MUCH POWER.
THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT TOO MUCH WATER AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BIG UGLY THINGS.
UM, LEMME TRY TO, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THE 55 DECIBELS? THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, THAT, THAT'S YOU AND I TALKING RIGHT HERE.
THIS WOULD BE ABOUT 50 DE DID YOU FIND THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE THOUGH? YES.
I MEAN, I CAN ARROW UP AND DOWN, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I HAD TO GO, I HAD TO GO LOOK UP WHAT 55 WAS.
BUT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A NORMAL CONVERSATIONAL ONE.
AND THAT WOULD BE AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
IS THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS THAT EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR USE IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE ADJACENT TO UP TO IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHERE THE NUMBER CAME.
I, I, UM, I'M USED TO USING DBAI MAY HAVE TO MOVE IT AROUND IF YOU BROADCAST SHOW IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT OBJECT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, TONIGHT'S CONTENTION WASN'T TO GO THROUGH DEFINITION BY DEFINITION.
UM, I JUST WANT THEM TO BE AWARE THAT WE HAVE THE DEFINITION SECTION.
WE CAN, AFTER YOU GUYS HAVE HAD TIME TO LOOK AT IT AND DIGEST THIS AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, COME BACK WITH DEFINITIONS THAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO EITHER ALTER OR ADD.
UM, AND THEN I DON'T WANNA TOUCH WHAT'S, WHAT'S WORKING AS FAR AS THESE DEFINITIONS GO.
YEAH, I, I DON'T ANTICIPATE A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES IN THESE.
WELL, IF THERE'S A GLARING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN SOME OF THESE USES THAT WE HAVE, UM, IN THAT USE TABLE, LIKE SOME OF LIKE THE COMMERCIAL, UM, RECREATION, LIKE WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION FOR EVENT VENUES IN TOWN.
AND, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A POPULAR ASK.
UM, THE, THE HOUSING, UM, YOU KNOW, SHELTERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, ADDED IN SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A, A GOOD DISCUSSION ON IT.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TODAY IS JUST REALIZE WHAT THIS IS AND THEN TAKE IT HOME AND PUT OUR TEETH INTO IT.
AND CAN I JUST ASK, WHEN, WHEN THERE ARE A COUPLE OF INSTANCES WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE DUPLICATES, THEY'RE NOT, 'CAUSE THEY'RE CLEARLY FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES, LIKE ANIMATED SIGNS AND THEN AGAIN ANIMATED SIGNS.
ARE YOU JUST SHOWING BOTH? GO AHEAD.
SO AT THAT POINT, LIKE THE, UH, LET ME GO BACK TO THE KEY HERE.
UM, OKAY, SO THE, THE BLUE DEFINITION IS THE ONE THAT WE SHOULD BE USING IN MY OPINION BECAUSE THAT CAME FROM THE, UM, THINK THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ATTORNEYS, THEY CAME OUT WITH A MODEL SIGN ORDINANCE.
WE, THE PLAN IS, IS THAT OUR SIGN SECTION WOULD JUST BE AN ADOPTION OF THAT.
SO, UM, THOSE DEFINITIONS, I WAS JUST GONNA KIND OF DEFAULT TO THOSE AND THEN REMOVE THE DUPLICATES.
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OKAY.SO WHERE THERE ARE DUPLICATES AND ONE'S IN BLUE AND ONE'S NOT, THEN THE BLUE ONE WOULD BE THE PREFERRED DEFAULTS ONE.
THAT'S MY OPINION, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO WHICH DEFINITION PLANNING COMMISSION THINKS IS BETTER.
BUT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE DEFAULT TO THE BLUE ONE.
THAT, UM, MODEL ORDINANCE CAME OUT LIKE TWO YEARS AGO AND IT WAS FROM A GROUP OF, UH, ATTORNEYS LAND USE ATTORNEYS.
SO, AND WE ALL KNOW ATTORNEYS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT, ALWAYS
SOMEONE JUST TOOK A BOW IN CASE YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT.
NO, I CAN'T SEE YOU GUYS, BUT, UM, YEAH, GEORGE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO SIT THROUGH THAT ONE AND REVIEW THAT WITH, UH, JOHN AND I PRETTY MUCH LINE BY LINE.
SO IN OUR NEXT WORK SESSION WE GO THROUGH THIS LINE BY LINE.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS MORE THAN A WEEKEND TO READ IT.
YEAH, I, YEAH, I, I WOULD SUGGEST BECAUSE OF WHAT THIS IS, WE ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER COMMENTS AND, AND BRINGING IN OUR CONCERNS PRIOR TO COMING TO THAT MEETING AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO SIT HERE AND GO LINE BY LINE WILL NEVER GET THROUGH.
I JUST WANT THE, I JUST WANT THE COMMENTS.
I DON'T YEAH, I DON'T WANNA GO LINE BY LINE WITH YOU.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A FACTOR.
OTHERWISE WE'LL DRIVE LAUREN TO DRINK
AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THESE DEFINITIONS STUFFED OUT, THEN THAT'S WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY START WORKING IT THROUGH THE USES.
AND THEN WE HAVE A ICE TABLE THAT KIND OF OUTLINES EVERYTHING AND WE CAN LOOK AT EACH, WE'LL HAVE THE DEFINITION THERE AND THEN BE ABLE TO LOOK AT, OKAY, WHAT ZONE IS THIS APPROPRIATE? SHOULD IT BE BY RIGHT.
SHOULD IT BE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT? SHOULD WE HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS? THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO I THINK IT'LL JUST BE A HELPFUL TOOL TO HELP US ORGANIZE THE REST OF IT.
ALSO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS AND SEE WHETHER THEY WANT IMPACTED ACROSS THE BOARD SO WE DO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HURT ANOTHER PORTION VERY TIMELY.
WE'VE GOTTA DEFINE NEW URBANISM IN A DEFINITION, BUT THEN, PARDON? THEY WANT TO, THE DEFINITIONS IN HERE THAT STANDARDS THAT, UH, COMPLY WITH THE NEW URBANISM, BUT THEN THERE'S NO NEW URBANISM.
NEW URBANISM IS A MOVEMENT WITHIN, UM, NO, I KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT IF, IF WE'RE ALLUDING TO IT, SHOULDN'T IT BE DEFINED? WE CAN, WE CAN WE CAN THROW IT.
THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS TO ADD IN.
WE'LL PUT, PUT TOGETHER A MAIL AND PUT THE HEAD OF THE MEETING.
THAT WAY SHE CAN HAVE 'EM READY, PUT 'EM UP ON THE BOARD AND EVERYBODY CAN LOOK AT EVERYONE'S INPUTS.
IS THERE A SPECIAL FORMAT THAT YOU WANT NEW URBAN LOOK UP? UH, INSIDE FLORIDA? THEY WERE A NEW URBANIST COMMUNITY.
UM, UM, UH, LAUREN, IS THERE ANY FORMAT YOU WANT US TO SEND THIS TO YOU IN OR JUST, UH, WORD DOCUMENT WITH THE DEFINITION AND COMMENT? YEAH, JUST ELECTRONICALLY SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF COPY AND PASTE.
I DON'T HAVE TO RETOUCH ANYTHING.
IF YOU WANNA SWIPE WHAT I SENT OUT EARLIER, YOU CAN BORROW THAT LINE FORMAT THAT I HAD IN HERE.
JUST DELETE THE WORDS OUT OF IT IF YOU WANNA.
SO YOU DON'T WANT US TO TAKE WHAT YOU SENT US AND DO A, A TRACK CHANGES ON IT? THAT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY FINE TOO.
I JUST NEED IT IN SOME TYPE OF ELECTRONIC FORM.
WE HAVE OUR MARCHING ORDERS FOLKS.
SO THE THOUGHT IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE WORK SESSION AND REGULAR MEETING JUST TO WORK ON THE USE THAT TIME TO JUST WORK ON THE ORDINANCE IN THAT CASE FOR PUBLIC HEARING BY, YOU KNOW, SEPTEMBER.
UM, IN THAT CASE, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE REGULAR JULY MEETING EFFECTIVELY A WORK SESSION, UM, DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS POSSIBLY PULLING IT UP TO SIX O'CLOCK SO YOU ONE HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME? TWO, MIC IT OUT A LITTLE BIT.
CAN WE LEGALLY DO THAT, GEORGE? SO YOU'RE AT GONNA ADD A WORK SESSION, ADD A WORK, BUT CANCEL THE REGULAR MEETING AND ADD A WORK SESSION.
THERE IS, THERE'S NOTHING ON THE AGENDA.
GET ON THE AGENDA FOR AT WHAT POINT, WHAT'S THE CUTOFF DATE WHERE WE KNOW FOR SURE THERE'S NOTHING ON THE I DON'T THINK THAT UNIT NINTH.
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HAVE IT.MY FINGERTIPS RIGHT DOWN CODE VERSUS YOUR BYLAWS.
LAURA SAYS, I I THINK IT'S NEXT.
THINK I GET BACK, THINK IT'S DEPENDENT ON YOUR BYLAWS AND I DON'T HAVE 'EM IN FRONT OF ME.
WHEREAS TOWN COUNCIL FOR INSTANCE, IS CODIFIED.
I THINK YOU HAVE MORE, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT.
WELL, WE CAN HAVE ANY KIND OF SPECIAL IF, IF WE WERE TO, I GUESS WE NOTICE THAT THERE'S NO, THAT'S AN GENERALLY CANCEL IT.
WE PUT OUT A NOTICE THAT WE'RE HAVING ANOTHER WORKING GROUP MEETING AT THAT TIME.
AGAIN, WHATEVER YOUR BYLAWS, I THINK.
YEAH, BECAUSE YEAH, EVERYBODY I KNOW IF EVERYONE'S HEARD THAT WHAT SHE'S, WHAT'D YOU SAY? SHE'S GONNA FIGURE IT OUT NEXT WEEK OR SO.
IF WE'RE GOING BACK, I'LL FIGURE IT OUT AND I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO EVERYBODY.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, THE ONLY THING WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA FOR OUR ACTUAL OFFICIAL MEETING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH IS THIS.
EVERYBODY CLEAR WHAT WE'RE DOING SESSION AFTER THAT? THIS ONE MORE THING, I JUST, JUST ONE MORE THING WITH, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T NO, WE I WAS, I WAS JUST THINKING OUT LOUD AND IF YOU HAVE THE REGULAR MEETING WE HAVE IN THE MONTH, SHOULD WE CONSIDER HAVING A FORMAL SESSION? OH, RIGHT AFTER AFTER THAT MEETING.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA MEET AT THE MEETING AT SEVEN.
DO YOU THINK IT'S, I THINK YOU HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THE BYLAWS IN FRONT OF YOU.
IT'S JUST A THOUGHT WE COULD AREN'T HAVE THE DETAILS IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
IT YOU THOUGHT MAYBE THAT'D BE POSSIBILITY BE WE'RE GONNA MEET AT SEVEN, UH, ONE ITEM.
UH, WOULDN'T THINK THAT WOULD TAKE ALL NIGHT LONG.
SO WE, IF WE DON'T RECEIVE ANY OTHER APPLICATIONS PRIOR TO JUNE 9TH OKAY.
THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE A, A SCHEDULED PUBLIC MEETING AND UH, OR AN ITEM FOR THE PUBLIC MEETING IN JULY.
BUT WE STILL HAVE A WEEK TWO APPLICATIONS.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? YEAH, JUST, JUST WANTED TO MENTION IT'S KIND OF REPORT OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, OF ALL THIS, UH, UH, ALL THESE, THESE MEETINGS AND STUDIES AND MEETING WITH THE VARIOUS FOLKS IN THE
AND WE PUT OUT THE, THE DRAFT TEXTS AND WE RAN IT THROUGH THIS, THIS GROUP, UH, WHAT THAT WOULD, UM, WOULD, WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR, UM, SPECIAL PURPOSE HOUSING.
NOW IT RESTS WITH THE TOWN INPUT AND WHENEVER YOU GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW, AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE.
UM, ALSO GOES THE, UM, ZONING CHAIN THAT IS RESCUE WITH THE TOWN AS WELL.
WE, WE DID OUR BID ON THAT FOR WHAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ASKED FOR.
UM, THERE'S ONE MORE THING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT GROUP AND I OWE YOU MORE EXPLANATION AND I PLAN ON OUR NEXT WORKING GROUP MEETING TO BRING SOME CHARTS AS WELL AS THE DRAFT TEXT FOR AN ADDITIONAL ZONING CHANGE FOR, UM, UH, ADUS GRANNY FLATS, WHICH IS, UM, AUXILIARY DWELLING UNITS.
AND I'LL, I'LL JUST DEFINE IT REAL, REAL QUICK.
THOSE ARE EXTERNAL OR INTERNAL, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL HOUSING WITHIN VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UM, FOR, UH, AFFORDABILITY REASONS AND OTHER REASONS.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE CALL 'EM GRANNY FLAT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
BUT THERE'S UH, THERE'S MORE SAUSAGE TO BE MADE BEFORE I'M READY TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU.
SO WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE DOWNFLOW AS WELL BECAUSE, AND, AND ONCE WE, ONCE WE GET THAT AND I ANTICIPATE AFTER OUR REGULAR MEETING, I'LL SEND OUT THAT, THOSE CHARTS AND THAT DRAFT TEXT WE GO ALONG WITH IT TO, TO DISCUSS OUR NEXT WORKING.
I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW WHERE IT WAS AND, AND ALL THAT PROCESS.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS PARTICIPATION AND HELP.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND ADDITION TO THE DEFINITELY GREAT MOTION, THE CHAIR.