[Town Council Work Session on May 12, 2025.]
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ALL RIGHT, WE'RE OFF.I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE FRONT ROYAL REGULAR WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, MAY 12TH TO ORDER.
MS. PRESSLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR
AND I WOULD SAY WHAT THE FIRST ITEM IS, BUT UM, MY BOX IS STILL TRYING TO OPEN, IT'S STILL TRYING TO OPEN OFF HERS.
CAN I SEE PAPER COPY? THANK YOU.
UM, SO WE, WELL, I DON'T WANNA JINX THIS.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SHORT AGENDA TONIGHT, SO WE SHOULD SEE, SO WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS AND THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO ACCEPT A DONATION OF FUNDS FROM, FROM FRIDA ON BEHALF OF THE FESTIVAL LEASE COMMITTEE.
AND I BELIEVE MS. LEWIS IS HERE TO DISCUSS THAT, CORRECT? YES.
THIS ONE SHOULD BE SHORT AND SWEET GUYS.
UM, WE ARE IN NEED, WE HAVE A CONVERSATION INTERNALLY ABOUT SOME OTHER PRACTICE TRAFFIC SAFETY CONTROL DEVICES THAT WE MAY NEED.
UM, LOOKS LIKE WE NEED SIX MORE WATER BARRICADES.
UM, THOSE ARE THE BIG PLASTIC ORANGE, SOMETIMES WHITE, USUALLY ORANGE, UM, BARRIERS THAT WE USE AT THE END OF THE STREET.
OBVIOUSLY THEY FILLED WITH WATER.
UM, SO I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE FESTIVAL LEAVES COMMITTEE AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE US THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THOSE.
SO, UM, IF COUNSEL DECIDES THAT WE CAN ACCEPT THOSE FUNDS, WE PUBLIC, THE WORKS DEPARTMENT WILL ORDER 'EM AND WE'LL HAVE 'EM SEND AS THEY CAN GET.
NOBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, RIGHT?
ARE THEY GONNA BE HERE IN TIME FOR THE WINE FESTIVAL? NOT FOR WINE FESTIVAL LY.
UM, WE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO USE 'EM FOR A LOT OF THINGS.
UM, BUT I, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LEAD TIME IS.
I JUST WASN'T, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE MONEY WRONG,
YEAH, NO, I, NOT THAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT AT ALL.
JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE NEEDED HAVE HAD LIKE OH YEAH.
FORTUNATELY THIS IS ONE THAT WE CAN ORDER FROM A CATALOG.
I'M HOPING THAT IT'S IN STOCK.
UM, THIS WILL HAVE TO GO ON THE MAY 28TH, RIGHT.
SORRY, I KEEP SAYING THAT WRONG IN MY HEAD TOO.
SO WE'LL STILL HAVE TO VOTE TO ACCEPT IT ON MAY 27TH.
SO I WOULD SAY FIND THE CATALOG, BE READY AND ON MAY 28TH IN THE MORNING AND SEND THEY'RE READY.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
THANK THANKS TO THEM FOR BEING WILLING TO DO THAT.
UM, SO THE NEXT ITEM IS THE PRESENTATION FOR THE MANASAS AVENUE DISPOSAL SOLAR REQUIREMENT FIRING RANGE SITE.
AND THAT'S MR. BOYER AND MR. BOYER? I WOULD SAY MORE, BUT HONESTLY IT'S STILL THOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MINE IS STILL HOW MANY MEGABYTES? WHAT'S THE AGENDA? NO, IT'S NOT THAT.
I MEAN, LITERALLY MINE IS LIKE, ANYWAY, I'M, MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT YOURS.
DID YOURS OPEN? HERS ISN'T OPENING EITHER, SO JUST HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
DO YOU, IS YOURS THE ONE, DO YOU HAVE THE AGENDA? OKAY.
WELL, NO, I, I JUST WAS SAYING I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA SHARE EVERYTHING UP THERE.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST SLOW SERVER SLOW, BUT ANYWAY.
I'M GONNA LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY AND IF I DON'T HAVE IT BY THE NEXT ONE, I'M GONNA GRAB AND I DON'T, I JUST MEANT I CAN'T OPEN UP ALL THE EXTRA DOCUMENTS FOR EACH THING.
I'VE GOT THE LIST HERE, BUT ANYWAY.
UH, SO AS THE MAYOR SAID, THIS IS ABOUT THE, UH, TOWN'S FARM RECYCLING RAMP AREA THERE ON MANASSAS AVENUE.
THIS WOULD BE THE ELECTRIC APARTMENT WASTEWATER.
UM, THIS HERE'S A SOURCE OF SIES TO HOLD THE HOLD THE ROLLERS AND STUFF.
UM, SO THIS IS LIKE WHERE WE KEEP A MULCH, GRIND.
AND WE HAVE SOME DIRT DISPOSAL OVER HERE.
THIS IS LITTLE LEAGUE OVER HERE, RIGHT ON THE LEFT.
BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS HERE.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE ALL THE BALL FIELDS? YES, MA'AM.
IS IT STADIUM, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, SO THIS KIND OF JUST GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF UP AT THE TOP.
UM, THE TRACK LOADER WE USE FOR THE MULCH.
UM, WE USE TRACK LOADER TOO FOR PUSHING DIRT OFF ON THE OTHER SIDE.
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A BREAKDOWN OF THE EQUIPMENT UP THERE.UM, THE ROLL OFF IS MORE FOR THE METAL, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO IN A MINUTE.
UM, BUT THIS KIND OF TALKS ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, IT SHOWS YOU SOME PICTURES, LIKE I SAID, OF THE TUB GRINDER.
UM, THIS IS A DISTANT VIEW UP HERE, KIND OF FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, SO WE HAVE TWO PART-TIME EMPLOYEES THAT WORK THE, UH, GUARD SHACK AS ATTENDANCE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE'S NOT DUMPING STUFF.
UM, NO ROOT BALLS, NO TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS, TRASH LIKE THAT.
UH, WE HAVE ONE FULL-TIME, UH, SENIOR EQUIPMENT OPERATOR.
SO THEY KIND OF WORK IN SOLID WASTE.
SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY, UH, THEY RUN THE TUB GRINDER, UH, PUSH UP DIRT, HAUL THE METAL TO WINCHESTER AND THEN THEY ALSO FILL AND DRIVE THE TRASH TRUCK, BUSH, HOK AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF ON THE FARM SITE.
UM, THIS HERE KIND OF GIVES YOU THE, UH, YARD WASTE FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
THIS SHOWS YOU, UM, HOW MUCH WE'VE COLLECTED ON THE TRUCKS ON WEDNESDAYS, HOW MUCH TOWN RESIDENTS DROPPED OFF, AND HOW MUCH COUNTY RESIDENTS DROPPED OFF AT THE SITE, UM, FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND THEN THAT'S ALSO BROKE DOWN HERE TOO, THE NUMBERS.
ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, UH, IT'S AN OBSERVATION.
THE COUNTY RESIDENTS ARE ALMOST HALF GREAT.
YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT MATH TEACHER.
WELL, I WAS LOOKING AT THE BLUE AND GOING, DOUBLING IT UP.
THAT WAS MAKING, ANYWAY, REGARDLESS, IT'S SIGNIFICANT.
UM, SO THIS KIND OF SHOWS, UM, THE, UH, YARD WASTE HERE.
THAT'S A LARGE CONTRACTOR DUMP.
THIS IS A 25 IS A SMALL, WHICH ALSO SHOWS IT DOWN HERE.
THIS IS THE FREE FOR THESE YEARS.
SO LIKE, UH, 2022, WE HAD 172 CONTRACTORS PAID FOR THE $25 TICKET.
THE $15 IS THE FREE ON, SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE AN AIR CONDITIONER OR REFRIGERATOR.
ANYTHING HAS A FREE ON, THEY HAVE TO GO DOWN HALL, BUY A TICKET, AND THEN WHEN THEY BRING THE ITEM, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT IN ORDER TO DUMP IT.
UM, BUT THAT GIVES YOU THOSE YEARS.
UM, AND IT BREAKS IT DOWN HERE AS WELL.
SO ACTUALLY WE'VE WENT UP A FAIR BIT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
UM, AND THAT GIVES YOU THE SMALL LOADS AND LIKE I SAID, THE LARGE LOADS FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
AND THEN THE FREON STAYS PRETTY FOUR, SIX AND SIX.
SO WE DON'T GET A LOT ANYMORE FREE ON APPLIANCES.
UM, WITH THAT, THIS IS KINDA SHOWS YOU THIS, SO THIS WAS THE OLDER CYCLE RAMP.
SO NOW WE HAVE BINS WHERE LIKE IF WE DO A LARGE ITEM COLLECTION FOR IN TOWN RESIDENTS, WE'LL TAKE IT IN AND DUMP IT.
UM, OR RESIDENTS CAN BRING IN METAL AND DUMP IT IN THERE AS WELL.
AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE FREON, IT'S FREE.
IF IT HAS FREON, OF COURSE IT'S THE $15 AND THEN WE TAKE THE FREON OUT AND DISPOSE OF IT.
UM, JUST YARD WASTE IS JUST GONNA BE TOWN RESIDENCE 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S WHAT WE'RE PICKING UP, RIGHT? OR NO, SEE HOW IT'S GREEN YARD IS YARD WASTE.
UM, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT LIKE YES, METAL YARD WASTE, YARD WASTE, UH, IS YARD WASTE.
JUST JUST WHAT THEY'RE, PICK WHAT, SO OUR PEOPLE ARE PICKING UP ON THE SIDES OF PEOPLE.
LIKE PEOPLE CAN PUT OUT THEIR YARD WASTE ON WEDNESDAYS.
IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? OR IS THAT YES.
AND THEN THESE ARE THE TWO THAT, THAT, UH, WERE, THEY'VE DROPPED IT OFF, RIGHT? UH, IS THE, THE TOWN COUNTY ONES, YES.
SO THE ONES WE PICK UP ON WEDNESDAY ARE THE LARGER NUMBERS WHEN WE DO IT EVERY WEDNESDAY.
THEN, UH, ON THE TOP CORNERS, THE GUARD SHACK WHERE THE ATTENDANTS WORK, WHICH IS KIND OF ON THE FRONT OF THIS, WELL OVER HERE.
AND THEN THEY WRITE DOWN THE TAG NUMBER.
THEY DON'T HAVE A COUNTY STICKER.
THEY CHECK THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE.
UH, SO, BUT SO THE YARD WASTE STAYS THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, I'M, YES, I, I, I KNOW WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE ALL COUNSEL HEARS.
'CAUSE I ACTUALLY ASKED TO BRING THIS, UM, TO A WORK SESSION BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S BEEN, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN A COUNTY RESIDENT CAME IN AND, AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IN THE PAST, ALL TOWN RESIDENTS COULD BRING THINGS THERE AND COUNTY RESIDENTS COULD BRING THINGS THERE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, AND LOOKING AT OUR NUMBERS, I, WHEN WE CARRIED THINGS FROM THIS AREA TO THE TRANSFER STATION AND THERE WERE NO FEES, ADDITIONAL FEES, UM,
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THEN IT WASN'T, I MEAN, IT, IT WAS OUR LABOR OF TAKING IT THERE OR WHATEVER.BUT, UM, BUT NOW THAT WE PAY A TIPPING FEE, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD THE, WHAT OF THOSE THINGS WOULD WE BE TRANSPORTING FOR COUNTY FOLKS? NONE.
BECAUSE IT'S THE METAL WE, THE WHITE COULD RIGHT.
SO WE ACTUALLY GET A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY BACK FROM THAT.
AND THEN THE YARD WASTE AND THEN THE BRUSH THAT PEOPLE DROP OFF.
UM, LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE BUDGETED.
SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE GET SOMEBODY TO DRINK.
SO WE ACTUALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME, TWO, THREE MONTHS AGO, WE PUT OUT, GOT A BUNCH OF BIDS AND HAD TIMBERWORKS COME IN AND UH, 'CAUSE IT WAS BAD, HAD THEM GRIND.
AND, UH, SO THEY DID IT FOR THE FIRST TIME AND DID EVERYTHING, LIKE I SAID, LITTLE LESS THAN A WEEK.
UM, SO WE DID HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF GRINDING THE BRUSH FROM TOWN AND COUNTY, YOU KNOW, ON THAT.
DO YOU REMEMBER, I I KNOW YOU DON'T AND THAT'S OKAY.
RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE PAID TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND GET 26,020 6,000? THAT SOME CHANGE? YEAH.
AND, UH, IS WHAT IT WAS FOR, FOR THE 36 HOURS.
AND THAT MONEY COMES OUT OF WHICH BUDGET? SOLID, SOLID WASTE.
SO ANYBODY WHO'S A SOLID WASTE CUSTOMER IN THE TOWN IS PAYING FOR THAT WOULD BE PAYING FOR THAT SERVICE? YES, MA'AM.
BUT NOT ANYBODY THAT'S IN THE COUNTY THAT'S BRINGING THAT THERE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAYING NOTHING.
THEY'RE JUST GETTING THE SERVICE FOR FREE MM-HMM
BECAUSE IT'S COMING OUT SOLID WASTE.
AND THE FREON, THAT COST, THAT WOULD COST BECAUSE WE'RE RECOVERING THE COST FOR THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY PULL IT OUT AND THEN SHOP TAKES IT AND JUST, THEY, I GUESS DON'T REALLY DISPOSE OF IT, BUT YEAH.
SO THEY ACTUALLY ARE LICENSED TO TAKE IT OUT.
AND JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, HOW LONG, I MEAN, IT'S ONLY FOUR PEOPLE IN 2020.
IT WAS ONLY FOUR TIMES IN 2024, SO IT'S NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT.
BUT WHAT TYPE OF LABOR DOES THAT INVOLVE? I MEAN, IS IT A 10 MINUTE PROCESS? IT IT'S NOT REAL LONG.
BUT USUALLY IF THEY'RE BRINGING APPLIANCES LIKE AN AIR CONDITIONER, REFRIGERATOR, THAT'S USUALLY WHAT'S WRONG.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SHOT, IT'S OUT OF IT.
SO MOST OF THE TIME, I WOULD SAY 20 15, 20 MINUTES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, THIS SHOWS YOU A FEW MORE PICTURES.
ALL THE EXTRA TRASH CANS AS A RECYCLE AMP.
WE NO LONGER PROVIDE RECYCLING TUBS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
IT'S PROBABLY BEEN CLOSE TO 20 YEARS.
YEAH, WE STILL, UH, 96 GALLON AND UH, 32 GALLON TRASH CANS.
AND I THINK WHEN I ASKED ABOUT IT WHEN I WASN'T EVEN HERE, UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S TOO COST.
I MEAN, IT USED TO BE THAT YOU COULD COME TO TOWN HALL AND YOU GOT ONE OF THOSE, YOU PAID FIVE BUCKS AND YOU GOT A RECYCLING BIN OR WHATEVER.
YEAH, NO, NO, I, I, THE ONLY REASON WHY I HAVE TWO NOW IS BECAUSE MY NEIGHBOR, SHE USED TO, SHE HAD, SHE HAD A LARGER FAMILY AND SHE HAD MORE RECYCLING AND THEN SHE DIDN'T, AND I WAS COMPLAINING THAT I DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD ONE ANYMORE.
AND SHE LET ME HAVE TWO OF HERS, BUT I'M HOLDING ONTO 'EM WITH TEAR TO HER LIFE.
UM, BUT, BUT, UM, BECAUSE IT, THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD BUY 'EM FOR $5.
IN FACT, I ACTUALLY LOOKED ONLINE TO SEE IF I COULD FIND ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAD LIKE A, LIKE A TIERED THING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR PAPER, RIGHT? WHERE YOU COULD SEPARATE IT IN THE, IT WAS REALLY EXPENSIVE.
SO ON THE, UH, UH, RECYCLING SOLID STREAM, YOU, WE TAKE A TRUCK AND DUMP IT IN ITS ENTIRETY SOMEPLACE, UH, WINCHESTER.
UH, THEY'RE IN THE OLD PLUM LUMBER DOWNTOWN WINCHESTER, UH, WE USED TAKE TO, UH, REPUBLIC IN MANASSAS, BUT WE'RE ON OUR SECOND YEAR WITH THEM.
AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A, YOU HAVE A CARD, SO IF YOU NEED TO GO IN EARLY, SAY LIKE HOLIDAY OR SOMETHING, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO IN THEIR CLOSED SCAN WAY DUMP GIVES YOU A TICKET.
THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE THERE.
SO, UH, SO IT, IT WORKS OUT GOOD.
SO I ASKED TO BRING THIS FORWARD BECAUSE I GUESS JUST THE BOTTOM LINE IS DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE, UM, HAVE OUR CUSTOMERS PAY FOR, PAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S SERVICE AND THEY'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING TO IT.
I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY I CAN PUT IT THERE.
ANOTHER WAY, IS THERE ANOTHER WAY FOR ME TO SAY THAT? OTHER THAN THAT? I KNOW THAT LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT OUR SOLID WASTE, UM, STUDY AND THEY WERE SHOWING US DIFFERENT ITEMS, I KNOW THAT THEY LITERALLY BROKE IT DOWN INTO, OKAY, HERE'S ALL THE SERVICES THAT YOU ALL PROVIDE.
YOU DO THIS AND WE DO DOOR TO DOOR, YOU KNOW, PICKUP.
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CURBSIDE.AND WE PROVIDE, UM, THE YARD WASTE AND WE PROVIDE THE WHITE GOOD SERVICE AND WE PROVIDE ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS, THEY BROKE IT DOWN INTO LIKE A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU ALL DECIDED THAT YOU NO LONGER WANTED TO PROVIDE YARD WASTE, IT WOULD SAVE LIKE $4 A MONTH, YOU KNOW, AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO I'M GONNA BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT WHEN I SAY THAT.
I HAD NO IDEA THAT COUNTY CITIZENS COULD COME AND DROP THINGS OFF AT OUR LOCATION, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO TO THE TRANSFER STATION TO TAKE THE ITEMS. THIS IS NOTHING AGAINST ANYBODY FROM THE COUNTY.
I HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND DON'T LIVE IN TOWN.
BUT IT RECENTLY CAME UP BECAUSE, UM, 'CAUSE THERE WAS A COUNTY CITIZEN THAT WAS FRUSTRATED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED DOWN AT THE FARM.
AND THEN I WAS LIKE, WELL, WHY, WHY WERE THEY THERE? AND THEN THAT'S WHEN ALL OF THIS KIND OF CAME FORWARD.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I MEAN, YOU HEARD ABOUT THE STAFF AND, AND ABOUT PAYING FOR THEM TO COME IN AND GRIND AND WE GIVE THE MULCH FOR FREE, RIGHT.
COULD TOWN OR COUNTY COULD AT THIS POINT.
ANYBODY COULD GET THE FREE MULCH.
WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT SHOULD, SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO, UM, PROVIDE SERVICES THAT, THAT OUR CUSTOMERS ARE PAYING FOR THAT NOT EVERYBODY'S PAYING FOR? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TIPPING FEES IN THE COUNTY, THAT, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ANIMAL THAT I'M STILL DON'T THINK SEEMS FAIR, BUT WHATEVER.
BUT THIS, I FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, NOBODY'S CONTRIBUTING TO THIS OTHER THAN OUR CUSTOMERS, OUR REFUGE CUSTOMERS.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A NOTE TOO, ROBBIE MENTIONED TIMBERWORKS CAME AND THIS PROPOSED BUDGET, IT'S 50,000 FOR THE GRINDING SERVICES THAT WE'VE PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE TO USE THE GRINDER, NOT THE TUB GRINDER AS, UH, MR. BOYER MENTIONED, JUST BECAUSE OF THE STAFF AND THE AGE OF THE EQUIPMENT.
WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN LOOKING AT AUCTIONING IT ALL.
UM, AND BECAUSE THE SERVICES WORKS, WORKS SO WELL LAST SEASON, THAT GOES BACK TO MR.
ROBBIE, DIDN'T YOU SAY THE WHITE GOODS? I MEAN, US TAKING 'EM, I MEAN, WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING SOMETHING FOR THE METAL.
IT'S THE, UH, BRUSH THAT WE'RE HAVING TO, UH, EITHER PAY TO HAVE GRIND OR, OR USE OUR OWN, UH, GRINDR PEOPLE AND IT'S STAFF AND HOURS.
I MEAN, SO IT'S TWO PART-TIME PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE.
I MEAN, THE FULL-TIME PERSONS, YOU KNOW, BUT THE, IT'S THE PEOPLE CHECKING IN, YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE COME IN.
SO YEAH, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR, LIKE THE FULL-TIME PERSON, YOU KNOW, THIS TIME OF YEAR, OF COURSE A LOT OF PEOPLE IS CLEANUP BRUSH, SO YOU KNOW, THEY'LL SPEND MORE TIME UP THERE KEEPING THE BRUSH PILED UP, YOU KNOW, OUT THE ROAD SO THEY CAN, THE DUMP OR
HOW MUCH ARE WE GIVING AWAY? UM, IT, IT IS HIT OR MISS.
SOME PEOPLE COME GET A BUNCH, LIKE RIGHT AFTER WE GROUND IT, WE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE COME LIKE PULL TUBS AND SHELL IT IN, BUT THEN IT'LL HIT IT SOME LIKE AS THE UH, SOMETIMES WE'LL PUSH IT OFF AND JUST LEVEL IT AND JUST LET IT ROT.
UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GOT A LOT OF STUFF IN IT WHERE IT'S NOT REAL GOOD AND TRY TO SAVE THE BETTER SO PEOPLE GET IT, THEY'LL GET THE BETTER.
DO, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON STAFF ABOUT THIS? I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE YOU DO, BUT YOU FEEL FREE TO, I MEAN, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT IT? I MEAN, ABOUT HALF OF IT'S COUNTY.
SO YOU FIGURE IF YOU TAKE OUT HALF, THAT'S GONNA, IF WE BUDGETED 50, THAT WOULD CUT IT WITH THE 25 ROUGHLY.
I MEAN, JUST, JUST ROUGHLY, I MEAN YEP.
IT'S, AND WE'RE NOT RECOVERING ENOUGH EVEN CLOSE TO THAT IN INCOME.
NO WHITE GOODS OR ARE THEY METAL? MOST OF THE WHITE GOODS WE PICK UP WITH LARGE ITEM COLLECTIONS, UM, PEOPLE WILL SET 'EM OUT.
WE GO BUY 'EM ON THEIR TRASH DAY AND PICK 'EM UP FIRST ONE'S FREE.
UH, SO YOU CAN DO FIVE, FIVE LARGE ITEMS. A LOT OF TIMES YOU WE'LL GET STUFFED IN A LOT OF METALS.
I MEAN, ONLY TOWN CITIZENS GET THE PICKUP FOR THE WHITE GOODS.
BUT CAN COUNT, BUT CAN COUNTY CITIZENS BRING THEIR WHITE GOODS TO THE FARM? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.
RIGHT? WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING AN INCOME.
WELL, IT'S, WE'RE NOT GETTING AN INCOMER FOR RECOVERING THE FEE.
IT'S JUST, WELL, I MEAN, THIS PAST YEAR THERE WAS, WE'RE RECOVER THE FEE ON FREON, BUT WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING FOR THE METAL, FOR THE METAL SCRAP $4,800.
BUT I MEAN THE, THE, AS I RECALL, THE COST OF THE PART-TIME WORKERS
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WERE JUST THOSE TWO.IT WAS LIKE 48,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HOW, HOW OFTEN ARE WE GOING TO WINCHESTER DO YOU THINK? RIGHT OFF YOUR HEAD? I MEAN, IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW ROBBIE, LIKE I WOULD SAY WE MIGHT TAKE A CONTAINER EVERY TWO TO THREE WEEKS.
AND YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS TOO BECAUSE LIKE IF, UH, IF WE HAVE A WATER BREAK, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE'LL TAKE SOME OF THAT STUFF IF IT'S METAL, YOU KNOW, OUR CELLS AND PUT IN THERE AND TRY TO GET ANYTHING WE CAN, LIKE OLD MANHOLE, UH, FRAMING COVERS BROKEN MEAT IS TAKE ALL 'EM OUR CELLS AND TRY TO PUT IN AS WELL.
BUT THAT, THAT $4,800 ISN'T, THAT'S STILL COSTING.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING.
THERE'S NO WAY $4,800 IS GONNA COVER TRIPS TO TWO OR THREE, YOU KNOW, EVERY TWO OR THREE WEEKS GOING BACK AND FORTH TO, TO WINCHESTER.
MAY MAYBE ONCE A, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY MAYBE ONCE A MONTH IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A DUMPSTER IN THERE FOR THAT.
SO THAT TO ME IS EITHER A, I WOULD CALL IT A WASH OR EVEN A, A NEGATIVE.
IT'S INTERESTING TOO BECAUSE IT REALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE $25 AMOUNT, HOWEVER SLIDE THAT IS, UM, IT'S SLIGHTLY WRONG.
IN OURS IT'S 10, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY DID GO DOWN LIKE 1 72 TO 111 TO 76.
I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING, IT'S THE OTHER SLIDE, RIGHT? WHERE OR IS LIKE EITHER ONE PEOPLE'S WHITE GOODS, THEY'RE NOT TURNING RIGHT UNDER THE $25 AMOUNT.
NO, THAT'S, NO, SO THAT'S, UH, THE 25 IS FOR A, A SMALL CONTRACTOR LOAD.
THE 50 IS FOR A BIG CONTRACTOR LOAD.
SO THE 15 IS, IS THE, UH, FREON, BUT THE OTHER TWO ARE FOR, UH, OH, LIKE TREE CONTRACTORS.
IF THEY DON'T, THEY PAY EITHER THE 25 OR 50 BASED ON IF IT'S A BIG TRUCK OR A SMALL TRUCK.
SO THAT NONE OF THESE NUMBERS ARE REPORTING HOW MUCH WE GET FROM THE METAL.
AND THEN ACTUALLY IF YOU LOOK UP HERE, GIVES YOU THE WEIGHT AND IT GIVES YOU FOR THE YEAR.
SO YEAH, WHAT WE'RE GETTING BACK.
SO 20, SO THIS PAST YEAR, BOY, THE METAL WAS WORTH A LOT MORE, HUH? UM, WELL FOR 2024 THE METAL SAID $6,157.
IS THAT, AND I THINK PART OF THAT WAS WE DID SOME MANHOLE WORK.
SO WE HAD SOME FRAMING AND THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 2000 MARK.
BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD TOOK SOME, I THINK CAST AT THE TIME WE TOOK SOME ALS WAS LIKE $9 A TON.
SO WE HAD MADE UP PRETTY GOOD WHEN WE TOOK THOSE AND WE HAD A BUNCH OF METER LIDS.
SO IT'S NOT, THERE'S SNIPING REALLY NOT SIGNIFICANT COMMERCIAL, UH, DUMPING GOING ON THERE.
I MEAN FROM A, FROM A WEIGHT STANDPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, I I I WAS LOOKING AT THE FEES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I I GATHER WHAT HAPPENS IS WE DRIVE OVER A SCALE.
SOMEBODY DRIVES OVER A SCALE OR FOUR MAKE MAKE A DUMP FOR COMMERCIAL.
YOU MEAN FOR THE BRUSH, FOR, FOR WHATEVER.
THEY JUST EVALUATE IT BASED ON THE SIZE? YEAH.
LIKE SAND WAX WITH A DOUBLE WAX.
PARTICULARLY WITH THE, WITH THE METAL, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD TYP TYPICALLY WANT TO WANT TO GET A WEIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE WEIGHT OF THE TRUCK IS AND THEN WHATEVER IS MORE YEAH.
WHEN THEY COME OUT, YOU, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN WE TAKE THE SCRAP, WE GET, WE GET IT WEIGHED AND GET TICKETS, BUT WHEN RESIDENTS BRING IT, THEY DON'T.
I, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING WITH THE FEES.
IF, IF, IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GETTING BEAT ON THE FEES? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS AND WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.
I MEAN, MOST OF IT, IF THE RESIDENTS DROP IT OFF, IT'S SMALLER STUFF.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA MOVE A WHOLE PILE OF STUFF THEMSELVES.
LET'S TALK MORE ABOUT CO THE COMMERCIAL, THE RESIDENTS.
UH, NOW THE COMMERCIALS JUST BRUSH, IT'S JUST THE YARD WASTE ISN'T THERE? WHITE GOODS.
WE, WE WILL PICK THEM UP ON WEDNESDAYS PART OF THE, THE LIVE COUNT RESIDENT, BUT WE DON'T TAKE ANY TYPE OF OF THAT EVER.
IT'S ONLY JUST THE METAL AND YARD WASTE AND THE YARD WASTE A COMMERCIAL.
UM, BUT THE COMMERCIAL YARD WASTE, I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD BE LIKE A LANDSCAPER OR WHATEVER THAT'S DOING IT FOR THEIR, THEY THEY COULD BRING THERE, THEY HAVE COMMERCIAL TRUCK, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAD
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THE LOGO ON THE DOOR.THEY HAVE TO COME GET A TICKET.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S LIKE A SINGLE AXLE, LIKE A TON DUMP TRUCK OR IF IT'S A BIG TRUCK RIGHT.
AND IT'S ALL THAT DONE THROUGH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
SO YOU GUYS AREN'T HANDLING MONEY CREDIT CARDS.
THEY COME UP AND GET A UH MM-HMM
AND WE HAVE SOME, LIKE A LOT OF 'EM ARE THE SAME ONES.
SO THEY'LL COME GET FIVE OR SIX AT AT THE TIME THEN USE 'EM AS THEY COME HAVE 'EM WHEN THEY DO.
AND THE GUY AT THE GATE JUST TAKES THAT MM-HMM
AND SENDS 'EM UP THERE TO OPEN.
AND THEN WE JUST TURN 'EM IN AND SEND THEM BACK ONCE THEY'RE DONE.
SO THAT WAY THEY KNOW THEY'VE BEEN USED.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA THINK? OR YOU HAVE A THOUGHT? I JUST THINK SO.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT TIPPING FEE ISN'T IS ANOTHER MONSTER, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOTHING GOES TO THE TRANSFER SECTION.
IT'S JUST OUR FOLKS, IT'S JUST OUR STAFF AND THEIR TIME.
AND THEN THE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT AGAIN? THE GRINDR? IT'S JUST OUR, THE GRINDER.
SO SO HALF OF WHAT THEY'RE GRINDING IS WOULD BE, YEAH.
I MEAN ROUGHLY BASED ON THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW? YEAH, YEAH.
IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY OUT TO BENTONVILLE, SPEND THE TIME, THE MONEY IN THE FUEL, WHATEVER, AND DO IT FOR FREE IF YOU'RE A COUNTY COUNTY RESIDENT OR YOU COULD DUMP AT THE YARD FOR, UM, I DON'T KNOW, $15 OR PICK UP, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL OFFERING A CONVENIENCE.
I MEAN, THINKING HOW LONG IT TAKES TO DROP FROM HERE OUT TO VILLE, GET IN LINE, DO EVERYTHING, GET IT OFF AND DRIVE BACK.
AND THEN YOU'RE RECOVERING SOME OF THE FEE TO GRIND UP THE BRUSH.
IT YOU'RE OFFERING A CONVENIENCE.
WELL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU LIVE ON THE NORTH END OF THE TOWN, WHICH YOU FIGURE YOU HAVE TO DRIVE CLEAN THROUGH TOWN, CLEANED IT OTHER END.
IT'S PROBABLY MORE PEOPLE THERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT END IT'S EASIER.
PREFER THOSE LITTLE SPOTS THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE LIKE ACTUALLY IN THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE LITTLE TOWN OR COUNTY RESIDENTS RATHER THAT SHOULD BASICALLY BE TOWN RESIDENTS BASED ON THEIR LOCATION.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING COUNCILMAN WOOD ABOUT LIKE MAYBE JUST CHARGING FEE.
THE ONLY THING I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT IS, IS THAT, IS THAT THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO FINANCE AND GET A TICKET OR YOU KNOW, TO SAY, HEY, I'M A COUNTY PERSON AND I WANNA DUMP THIS YARD WASTE AND I'M GONNA PAY $15.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A LOT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S THEIR TIME.
AND THEN TOO, LIKE WHOEVER'S THERE, 'CAUSE HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT ALERTED ME TO THIS IS THAT SOMEBODY CAME AND OUR UM, OUR STAFF SAID, YOU, YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T LIVE IN TOWN.
AND THAT'S WHAT CREATED THE CONFUSION OR WHATEVER.
AND THE OTHER PERSON WAS ANGRY AND FRUSTRATED AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND I JUST THINK, DO WE REALLY WANNA PUT OUR STAFF INTO A SITUATION WHERE THEY GOTTA, WHEN THEY ROLL UP IN THERE, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A TOWN, YOUR COUNTY NO, YOU'VE GOTTA GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA GO BACK TO TOWN HALL TO DO IT.
IT IS A, IT IS A CONVENIENCE, BUT THE CONVENIENCE IS BEING PAID FOR BY OUR CUSTOMERS.
UNLESS I COULD TAKE A STOVE THERE, I COULD TAKE A MICROWAVE THERE FREE ON, IT'S FREE.
THEY'RE PAYING 15 UNLESS THEY HAVE FREE ON IT.
IT'S ONLY BEEN, ITS FREE ON LIKE, LAST TWO YEARS, BEEN WITH SIX AND THEN FOUR SO FAR THIS YEAR IT'S VERY, IT IS VERY MINIMAL FOR THE FREE ON, SO IT'S THE 2020.
IT'S, THAT'S, IT ENDED IN DECEMBER 31ST.
SO THOSE NUMBERS, THAT WOULD BE CALENDAR.
SO IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO DRAG THIS ON FOREVER AND EVER, BUT DO YOU ALL HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT? DO YOU WANNA CONTINUE TO SUBSIDIZE THE COUNTY YARD WASTE OR DO YOU WANT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU ALL THINKING? I, I THINK THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE A A, A CREDIT CARD PAY AS YOU GO THING GUY AT THE GATE'S GOT A PICK UP TRUCK THAT'S $15 FROM THE CAR.
SO YOUR SUGGESTION WAS TO IMPLEMENT A FEE.
WELL, I, I'M SAYING IF I HAD A, IF I LIVED IN THE COUNTY AND I WAS ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN, I'D MUCH RATHER TAKE $15.
NO, I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAID THE 15, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEW FEE, LIKE AN YES.
THAT WAS MY FIRST APPROACH OF $15 TO GET RID OF WHATEVER ON THE DUMP TRUCK TO SERVE IT AND HAVE A JUST SWIPE A CARD AND TAKE THE $15 INSTEAD OF HAVING CASH.
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THE TRUSTWORTHINESS.AND ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOR COUNTY AND COUNTY OR THIS COUNTY? NO, JUST FOR JUST THE COUNTY RECORD COUNTY.
I'D BE IN FAVOR OF EXPLORING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT A, YEAH, I'M NOT A FAN OF SUCH, THE STAFF GOTTA RUN CREDIT CARD AND SOMETHING GOES WRONG.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T WANT FOR STAFF TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR THEM.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE, BUT I, I, MY, I'M NOT A FAN OF SUBSIDIZATION BY ANY MEANS.
THAT'S WHY I WASN'T A FAN, YOU KNOW, BEFORE MY TIME ON COUNCIL, WHEN THEY WERE GONNA SUBSIDIZE THE CREDIT CARD FEES FOR PAYING YOUR UTILITY BILLS.
AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T USE A CREDIT CARD, SO THEY SHOULDN'T BE THE ONES TO PAY THAT FEE.
UM, BUT I WILL SAY MY CONCERN IS NOT JUST THE CONVENIENCE FACTOR, BUT THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO GET TO THE TRANSFER STATION.
SO I THINK WE COULD STILL PROVIDE THE SERVICE WITHOUT BEARING THE COST A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK ABOUT OLDER PEOPLE OR PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPROPRIATE VEHICLES.
SO THEY MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, A GRANDCHILD VISITING AND HELPING THEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET IT TO THE TOWN FARM THOUGH? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF THEY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S THERE THAT'S WILLING TO HELP THEM RIGHT.
VERSUS BENTONVILLE, I'D BE MORE INCLINED TO HELP MY GRANDMA TAKE IT TO TOWN THAN BENTONVILLE, BUT THAT'D HELP HER TO GET IT.
UM, I JUST DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THE INCONVENIENCE OF CHARGING THEM A FEE IS ANY MORE INCONVENIENT THAN WE'RE CURRENTLY DEALING WITH, WITH MAKING SURE EACH PERSON THAT COMES THROUGH ARE THEY TOWN, COUNTY, WE'RE ALREADY KEEPING TRACK OF THAT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IF THEY'RE TOWN OR COUNTY.
SO BY JUST SWIPING A CREDIT CARD AND IF THE CREDIT CARD MACHINE'S DOWN, WELL, SORRY, WE CAN'T TAKE IT THAT DAY.
AND NOT EVERYBODY HAS A CREDIT CARD OR A, OR EVEN A, SOME PEOPLE DON'T BANK MM-HMM
'CAUSE IF YOU GO TO MOUNTAIN POT AND YOU DON'T HAVE CASH, YOU GO TO ATT YOU'RE NOT, YOU HAVE TO GO TO AN ATT M THERE.
SO, I MEAN, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE REST OF THE PROBLEMS AREN'T FEEL LIKE THEY HOURS TO FIGURE OUT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR THEIR WASTE SHOULD BE PAYING FOR EVERYBODY.
THAT'S MAY I SUGGEST THAT WE KICK THIS BACK TO MR. PETTY AND LET HIM AND STAFF DISCUSS IT AND COME BACK WITH THE RECOMMENDATION SO WE CAN, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE CONSENSUS IS TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING.
WELL, I, I THINK STAFF TO MAKE A CHANGE, I THINK STAFF THAT'S BIG STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR US TO NOT PROVIDE IT TO THE COUNTY ANYMORE.
BUT WE CAN TAKE IT BACK AND LET YOU GUYS, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT, 'CAUSE MY THING IS THEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IT WORTH $15 IS WORTH 20? I MEAN, IF IT'S COSTING US $25,000 FOR THE GRINDER, IF IT'S 50 BUDGETED THIS YEAR AND 25,000, THEN YOU GOTTA LOOK AT HOW MANY LOADS DID THE COUNTY BRING IN AND DIVIDE THAT BY 25,000.
WELL I THINK ANYTHING TO REACH YOU, THE COST IS BETTER THAN NOTHING.
THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE DO TAKE OUT THE, THAT HELPS OUT.
ALRIGHT, NEXT STEP IS THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO TOWN CODE, UM, FOR THE ADOPTION BY REFERENCE OF THE STATE VEHICULAR LAWS AND FOR REVISION OF PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS OF LAWS ADOPTED FOR STUDENT.
WE DO KIND OF A HOUSEKEEPING THING.
EXACTLY, EXACTLY HOW I WAS GONNA CHARACTERIZE IT.
AN ANNUAL HOUSEKEEPING MATTER, UH, TO INCORPORATE STATE VEHICULAR LAWS INTO TOWN CODE.
UH, THEY CAN BE PROSECUTED BY THE TOWN.
AND IT'S NECESSITATED BY THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UH, TWEAKS THESE LAWS.
SO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CURRENT.
UM, AND IN THE PROCESS OF DOING, TAKING A LOOK AT THE BRIEF AMENDMENTS TO 1 58 6, I TOOK A LOOK AT 1 58, 6 0.1, THE PENALTY SECTION, AND THEN I FELT IT NEEDED SOME CLARIFICATION.
SO THERE'S CHANGES TO THAT FOR CLARIFICATION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SONNET? I DO.
UM, I, I KNOW THAT SINCE MY TIME ON COUNCIL, WE'VE SEEN SOME PRETTY BIG AMENDMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE FOR THE VEHICULAR LAWS, LIKE SECONDARY OFFENSES AND THINGS THAT WE CAN AND CAN'T PROSECUTE.
ARE THERE ANY MAJOR CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN NOTICED? IT IMPACTED OUR BUDGET PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY.
I THINK IT WAS MY FIRST YEAR ON COUNSEL, UM, THE, WHAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY PUT INTO PLACE.
UM, I PROBABLY SHOULD PUT TOGETHER A SUMMARY THAT'D BE GREAT.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAME AND PRESENTED ON HOW IT HAD IMPACTED IT, IT ALSO IMPACTED THE CRIME RATE ACROSS THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
UM, I'M NOT SURE COUNCILMAN V DOPA WAS THERE THAT YEAR, BUT AT VML WE ACTUALLY GOT TO, I, AS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR FRONT ROW, GOT TO ENGAGE IN A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW
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NOT BEING ABLE TO STOP VEHICLES FOR PRIMARY OFFENSES ANYMORE LED TO HIGHER CRIME RATES BECAUSE THERE WERE, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE KEEPING UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE ON THEIR VEHICLE, TAILLIGHTS, WHATEVER.AND THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO BE STOPPED AS A PRIMARY OFFENSE ANY LONGER.
SO I BELIEVE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF ADJUSTMENTS TO SOME OF THOSE.
I'D JUST BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT, SINCE I DON'T DO THE PROSECUTIONS I KNOW ANYMORE.
I'M NOT QUITE CURRENT, BUT I WILL THAT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW.
THE VML, UH, UH, WELL, WHEN, WHEN MELISSA AND I WERE THERE LAST YEAR, DML HAD DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO TELL THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT PULLING PEOPLE OVER FOR A DEAD INSPECTION STICKER WAS, WAS, UH, YEAH.
IT'S A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE, BUT
AND STATE POLICE, THEY'RE THAT ASK MY DAUGHTER-IN-LAW.
SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WHAT ALL, WHAT ARE THOSE? NO, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S A VERY CONTENTIOUS, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREAS OF VIRGINIA THAT ARE YEAH.
THAT HAVE THE UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES.
JUST, IT'S, BUT IT'S PRETTY SELFISH BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO THINK OF IT IN THE REGARD THAT IT'S, PEOPLE ARE PUTTING OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES AT RISK BY NOT, IT WAS, IT WAS, AND ALSO IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO INSPECT YOUR VEHICLE AT $20 A YEAR, YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T OWN A VEHICLE.
LIKE YOUR STUDENTS DON'T ONLY HAVE INSPECTIONS, BUT IT WAS, THAT WAS A REGIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS A REGIONAL, UH, VOTE, VOTE LINE ON THAT ONE.
WELL, IT'S A, IT'S ALSO POLITICAL.
I WAS EATING POPCORN BACK THERE, LIKE WATCHING MELISSA, LIKE YEAH, THIS WENT ON LAST YEAR TOO.
I WAS LIKE, WHAT? YEAH, I UP AND GOT THIS ONE LAST 20 MINUTES ARE THAT WAS A DISCUSSION AND I THOUGHT I, I CAN'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID.
SO MR. SOAK, YOU WANNA PUT TOGETHER A SUMMARY, BUT I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH, THAT EVEN WITH A SUMMARY, WE WILL STILL NEED TO TAKE ACTION IN MAY, IF NOT MAY, IT'S JUNE.
'CAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T COME INTO EFFECT ON JULY ONE.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE ALWAYS TRY TO DO IT IN MAY.
THE ADOPTION'S EFFECTIVE JULY ONE AS IT YEAH.
SO I, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH IT, WE CAN HAVE IT ON THE MAY MEETING.
THAT'S SO INTERESTING THAT WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT THE LEGISLATORS HAVE ALREADY
IT'S TOO LATE TO ADVERTISE FOR MAY.
BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT TAKES A FIRST.
CAN'T NOT, WE CAN'T NOT DO THESE.
WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO THIS? YEAH, I KNOW.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M SAYING LIKE WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO DO IT TO BE IN LINE WITH THE STATE SO WE CAN'T CHANGE IT.
WE CAN OBJECT IT, BUT THE POLICE STILL HAVE TO ENFORCE IT.
I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN MANY TIMES OF THE STATE, SO ADVERTISING FOR THE JUNE MEETING, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE IS JUNE 23RD, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UH, D IS THE DEED OF EASEMENT FROM RUSH MARK ROCKLAND ROAD, LLC TO THE TOWN FOR WATERLINE EASEMENT AND W RIGHTS AWAY ACQUISITION FOR TOWN WATER FACILITIES SERVING TEXAS MAP.
12 A DASH ONE 16 DASH A THREE.
SO THIS IS, I'LL CHARACTERIZE THIS AS A ROUTINE MATTER.
IT'S NECESSITATED BY THE FACT FACT THAT ANY CONVEYANCE TO A LOCALITY OF AN INTEREST IN REAL ESTATE MUST BE ACCEPTED BY THE LOCALITY.
AND THE REASON WHY UTIL EASEMENT IS INVOLVED HERE IS BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE OF TOWN LIMITS.
IN TOWN, UTILITIES ARE LOCATED WITHIN TOWN RIGHT AWAY.
SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR AN EASEMENT.
UM, THE TOWN WOULD ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO THE UTILITIES FOR MAINTENANCE AND SO ON.
SO WHEN YOU GET OUT IN THE CORRIDOR, UM, OR OTHER LOCATIONS OUTSIDE OF TOWN LIMITS, UM, IT'S NECESSARY FOR A LANDOWNER TO ACTUALLY, UM, CONVEY AN EASEMENT, UH, TO THE TOWN FOR, FOR ACCESS, FOR REPAIR, MAINTENANCE, SO ON.
ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. DO CONSENT? I'M SORRY, WHAT CONSENT, IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SINCE THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I WOULD ASSUME WE COULD DO CONSENT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
NEXT UP IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS SUBMITTED BY DEFENDANT AUXILIARY? IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT? ACADEMY FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL.
AND THAT WAS ON OUR, UM, THAT WAS ON THE WORK SESSION LAST WEEK.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THE COUNCIL WANTED WAS SOME DATA
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AND UM, THERE WAS SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE DATA OVER THE LAST WEEK.UM, SO, BUT, UH, LAUREN, I BELIEVE YOU WERE, IS LAUREN HERE? YEAH.
SHE'S STILL GONNA PRESENT, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, UM, FROM RURAL PD WAS ABLE TO PUT THE SPEED COUNTER OUT THERE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE SOFTWARE HAD A GLITCH IN IT, BUT IT'S BACK OUT THERE.
AND SO WE WILL HAVE DATA COMING UP OBVIOUSLY IS SIMILAR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING WE HEARD BEFORE.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE FOR NEXT, UH, REGULAR MEETING REGARDLESS.
SO WE ARE EARLIEST WOULD BE JUNE.
SO WE DO STILL HAVE TIME, BUT IT'S OUT THERE COLLECTING DATA NOW, WHICH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE SCHOOL WAS STILL IN SESSION.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CAPTURE IT.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME DATA FROM 2023.
IT IS DATED AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE.
BUT IT DOES SHOW, YOU KNOW, PEAK TIME 7:00 AM 4:00 PM THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING THROUGH UNION STREET.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET FROM THE ALL DATE.
WE'LL HAVE NEW INFORMATION FOR YOU, BUT LAUREN DOES HAVE A FEW UPDATES FOR YOU AS WELL.
SO, AND I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, SO ON THE JUNE 2ND WORK SESSION BY THEN, CORRECT? UM, SCHOOL WILL BE OUT AND THE DATA WOULD, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE, THAT SCHOOL WOULD BE OUT, BUT, BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE TIMES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HOPE TO HAVE IT DOWNLOADED BY NEXT WEEK, UM, BEFORE THE HOLIDAY AS WELL AND HAVE IT DONE.
I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD ACTUALLY.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THOSE THREE SCENARIOS.
DO YOU WANNA COME UP HERE JUST SO THEY CAN YES.
SO THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THOSE THREE SCENARIOS.
UM, I MET WITH THEM SINCE WE MET LAST WEEK.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE CONSIDERATION OR OPTION ONE IS WHAT THE APPLICATION IS GONNA, UM,
SO, UM, THEY'RE WILLING TO STAGGER PICK UP AND DROP OFF TIME AND THEN STAFF THE SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN ALSO, IF THEY'RE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT UNION STREET, THE APPLICANT WOULD ALSO BE WILLING TO UTILIZE ROYAL AVENUE TO PICK UP AND DROP OFF, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT CITIZENS DID WHEN IT WAS TOWN HALL.
SO THEY'D RUN THEIR UTILITY BILL IN, THEY'D PARK, RUN IT IN, RUN BACK OUT.
IT WOULD BASICALLY BE THE SAME THING THAT WAS ALL DAY.
WHEREAS THIS WOULD BE TWICE A DAY.
UM, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL? 'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN I WOULD DROP OFF MY, LIKE I GENERALLY PARKED ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S ONLY LIKE TWO OR THREE SPOTS IN THERE, RIGHT? THERE'S FOUR IN FRONT OF FIRST BAPTIST.
THERE'S NOTHING IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL.
SO THEY USE THE BACK AREA THERE.
THEY COULD COME AND PARK OVER IN PUBLIC PARKING, WALK OVER.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE ALL OPTIONS.
SO LAST WEEK WHEN THEY WERE TALK, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT ONE OF THE OPTIONS WAS THEY WOULD USE A PARKING LOT THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.
DID YOU CALL IT MADDOX LANE? MADDOX LANE, MM-HMM
BUT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT.
UM, THIS WOULD JUST BE TO KIND OF STREAMLINE AND HAVE CONDITIONS FOR PICKUP AND DROP OFF, UM, TO JUST MITIGATE ANY TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT COUNSEL WOULD HAVE.
SO THE LEASE PARKING ACROSS MADOX LANE IS TO MEET THE CONDITION OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FACILITY REQUIRE? YES.
THAT'S JUST THE ZONING ORDER, OR SORRY, SUBDIVISION ORDER REQUIREMENTS.
WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE, WHETHER THIS WAS SVP OR BUYRIGHT, THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THE PARKING.
THE WAY THEY CAN DO THAT IS THROUGH A LEASE WITHIN 300 FEET.
SO THAT WOULD HAPPEN WHETHER THIS WAS COMING BEFORE YOU OR NOT.
UM, SO WE, SO I, I THOUGHT LAST WEEK THERE WAS SOME TALK THAT WE COULD PUT A CONDITION ON THE SUP THAT THEY, THAT THAT'S WHERE THE EXCHANGE OF CHILDREN TO AND FROM, LIKE STAFF WOULD GO OVER AND MEET THEM IN THE PARKING LOT.
DID I, AM I DREAMING THIS UP? DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK? SO THAT THERE WASN'T KIDS LIKE WALKING ACROSS UNION STREET WITHOUT AN ADULT OR SOMEBODY PULLING INTO THE PARKING LOT, DROPPING THEM OFF? RIGHT.
THEY WOULD BE STAFFING THAT INTERSECTION, BUT I WAS JUST REITERATING, LIKE, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT PARKING REGARDLESS.
BUT THEN ONE OF THE CONDITIONS YOU CAN PLACE AND WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO IS THAT THEY WOULD STAFF THAT PARKING LOT SO THAT THESE KIDS AREN'T, WHICH, WHICH PARKING CROSSING, SORRY.
SO THESE KIDS ARE NOT UNATTENDED WHEN THEY'RE WALKING FROM WHERE THEY'RE DROPPED OFF TO
BECAUSE IT GOES THROUGH ANOTHER PARKING.
I'M GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CONDITIONING THAT, UM, THAT FEELS REALLY BIG BROTHER-ISH TO ME.
AND I, I KNOW I'LL PROBABLY DIE ON THIS HILL ALONE, BUT LISTEN, IF I CHOOSE TO LET MY KIDS CROSS THE BYPASS, IT'S NOT THIS COUNCIL'S JOB TO DICTATE IF THEY HAVE TO BE ESCORTED BY AN ADULT OR NOT.
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NO MATTER HOW I FEEL PERSONALLY ABOUT IT, A BIG ON PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHTS, AND I'M BIG ON, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMON SENSE AND LOGIC.SO I'M JUST GONNA PUT IT OUT THERE THAT I'M GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE ADDING A CONDITION TO TELL THEM HOW TO GET THEIR KIDS FROM A TO B.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S JOB.
WHILE I DO UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF THE TOWN IS OUR JOB, I THINK THAT TAKES IT A STEP FURTHER.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE WHEN WE WERE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSING DIFFERENT FACILITIES USES AND STAFFING.
LIKE, WHILE I AGREE WITH IT PERSONALLY, IT'S JUST NOT OUR JOB.
AND SO, I'M SORRY, YOU SAID IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO AS IT'S ZONED NOW, AND I DON'T HAVE MY IPAD WORKING STILL, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C TWO DOWNTOWN.
AND SO AS A C TWO DOWNTOWN BUSINESS, CAN YOU GIVE COUNSEL SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT COULD GO IN THERE BY RIGHT.
UM, YOU COULD DO BAKERIES BY, RIGHT.
YOU COULD HAVE A GROCERY STORE.
SO WE COULD HAVE A GROCERY STORE IN THERE.
AND THE CAPACITY OF THAT BUILDING IS PROBABLY A COUPLE OF HUNDRED, 150 PEOPLE CAPACITY.
IT'S SQUARE FOOT FOR THREE FLOORS.
THEY'RE REALLY SMALL ROOMS AS I RECALL, BECAUSE THAT WAS A CHILD THE LAST TIME FITTED INTO A COMMERCIAL USE.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF RETAIL SPACE YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE GENERAL ZONING FOR THE BUILDINGS ON MAIN STREET C TWO? SO ONE Q IS C TWO.
WHICH AT ANY TIME I THOUGHT WAS AN R TWO.
NOT IN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO THAT, UM, THE PORTION, THEY CHANGED IT THEN, BECAUSE AT ONE POINT THERE WAS SOME, SO ONCE YOU GET TO JACKSON STREET AND GO BACK, THAT'S R THREE AND THAT'S OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING IN HISTORIC AREA.
BUT CT ZONING IS THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, IT'S LIKE OUR HISTORICAL AREA.
SO THAT'D BE LIKE US PUTTING CONDITIONS ON ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN THAT THEY HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET A PARTICULAR WAY.
THOSE HAVE THE PARKING EXEMPTION, THAT PARKING
BUT THE PARKING'S NOT EVEN NECESSARILY MY CONCERN.
IT'S THAT AF WELL, WE KNOW, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF OUR PARKING ORDINANCES.
WE JUST APPROVED THE VFW WITH LESSER PARKING SPACES THAN REQUIRED.
WE'VE APPROVED SEVERAL SHORT TERM RENTALS WITH LESS.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS PARKING'S AN ISSUE IN FRONT OIL AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE FIXED TONIGHT, THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MORE, WE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS HAVE TO BE INVOLVED.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS JUST LIKE THE APARTMENTS THAT WE JUST TOOK ACTION ON OFF OF ROYAL LANE THAT WERE ZOOMED COMMERCIALLY, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY IF SOMETHING C TWO GOES IN THERE ON HOW THEY UTILIZE THEIR PARKING OR THAT ALLEY OR THE CROSSWALKS OR THEIR SAFETY.
SO I JUST, MY ISSUE WITH, WITH PUTTING A CONDITION ON IT IN TERMS OF THAT IS, IS WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THEM THE FLEXIBILITY.
'CAUSE I REALLY THINK ONCE THEY GET IN AND SEE HOW THE FLOW GOES, WE, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO COME BACK IF THEY NEED TO CHANGE THAT SLOW.
I WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO ADJUST.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'D BE UNIQUE TO ME.
THEY SAID I'M ON THE SAME PAGE AS HER PARKING.
I MEAN, DOESN'T SENSE THEY, THEY CAN TECHNICALLY PARK OUT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE IF THEY WANT IT AND WALK OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, OR THEY CAN PARK IN PRETTY MUCH ANY ONE OF OUR HOUSES RIGHT HERE FOR THAT MATTER AND GO OVER THERE.
SO WHERE DO YOU DRAW, WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE ON THAT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIGGER ISSUE.
AND, AND, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION ONLY RECOMMENDED THAT YOU CONDITION THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT OFF STREET PARKING, WHICH IS IN THE COURTS, WHICH IS, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO RECOMMEND THAT.
WE'VE SEEN IT WITH EVERY SHORT TERM RENTAL.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS REQUIRED TO RECOMMEND WHAT'S BY CODE, BUT THEY DIDN'T PUT THE ADDITIONAL, IT'S OUR JOB AS COUNCIL TO DECIDE IF THAT'S TRULY WHAT FITS OUR COMMUNITY AND THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY BEST.
AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY, LIKE WE SAID, WHEN WE HAD TO VACATE A PORTION OF THE ALLEY, YOU KNOW, BACK BEHIND NATIONAL MEDIA, THAT THERE WAS OPPOSITION TO, IT'S AN EMPTY, DILAPIDATED BUILDING THAT'S BEING OCCUPIED AND IMPROVED.
SO AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY YES, WE WANT GROWTH, WE HAVE A VISION FOR OUR COMMUNITY, OR JUST SIT STAGNANT.
I MEAN, I'M ALL ABOUT HAVING IT BEING OPERABLE AND LESS BLIGHT THAN TO, BECAUSE HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE, AND IT'S GONNA SOUND HARSH, BUT IT'S ANYBODY WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS THIS IS HOW I OBSERVE.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO A CHILD OR AN ADULT AS A RESULT OF THE ALLEY AND THE PEOPLE WHO DRIVE
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RECKLESSLY THROUGH IT, THAT IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY.I MEAN, WE HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO ARE THERE TO ENFORCE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY.
UH, THEY CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE AT ALL TIMES.
UM, I WATCHED A KID GET RAN OVER ON SIXTH STREET AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AN ACCIDENT.
BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING THE COUNCIL COULD HAVE DONE TO HAVE CHANGED THE PARKING LAWS TO HAVE NOT LET THE CAR THAT WAS COMING AROUND THE OPPOSITE WAY, SEEING HIM RUN IT OVER IN FRONT.
I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT THAT VERY SAME ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE B CAMERAS AND THE SAME ARGUMENT THAT PEOPLE SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS.
AND WE, AND WE HAVE POLICE OFFICERS.
SO, I MEAN, I WILL, WHAT'S THE SAME THING? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE SAME ABOUT WELL, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SPEED CAMERAS FOR, WE SAID IT WAS FOR CHILDREN'S SAFETY.
AND THAT WE HAVE POLICE OFFICERS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE AND ALL THAT.
SO THOSE SPEED CAMERAS WERE IDENTIFIED BY THE HIGHEST CRIME RATES OF SPEEDING WHERE CHILDREN WERE WALKING.
SO IF THIS SCHOOL TURNS OUT TO PRODUCE A HIGH NUMBER OF CRIME BASED ON SPEEDING, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF PUTTING A CAMERA SCHOOL ZONE SPEEDING CAMERA THERE.
I I JUST, IT'S, IT, IT'LL BE, I MEAN, THE SCHOOL WILL BE THE ONE THAT WILL, WILL LOOK AT THE DAY OF THE SCHOOL WILL BE THE ONE THAT'LL, THEY WILL MAKE SURE THEIR STUDENTS ARE SAFE.
AND WE DIDN'T GET TO DECIDE WHERE THE OTHER SCHOOLS THAT WE PUT THOSE CAMERAS AT OPENED.
I WOULDN'T HAVE CHOSEN WHERE MY SON GOES TO SCHOOL ON THE AUTO V LEE PARKWAY AND THEY RIDE THEIR BIKE ACROSS FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC.
IF I GOT TO PICK WHERE THAT SCHOOL WENT, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE PUT IT THERE.
A LOT OF KIDS BIKE AND WALK TO WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL.
UM, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT'S THERE.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS A REACTIVE ACTION TO ADDRESS THE SPEEDING AND SAFETY FOR THOSE CHILDREN.
WHAT'S THE SCHOOL CONSIDERED? IS IT LIKE, I KNOW IT'S AN INSTITUTIONAL USE, RIGHT? INSTITUTIONAL USE, THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED.
AND THAT COULD BE ANYWHERE WE PERMIT MET THE SCHOOLS IN JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE PART, RIGHT? YEP.
BUT IN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE INDUSTRIAL, THAT'S WHEN THAT KICKS INSPECTION USE.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE 25 STUDENTS MAX YEAR.
AND HOW MANY INSTRUCTORS ARE THERE GONNA BE THAT FROM THE OKAY.
UM, WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING DATA NEEDED TO BE FIGURED OUT WAS WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAD, THEY, THEY HAD THE PARKING BY THE NUMBERS.
I, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT, UH, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED FROM THE GET-GO.
WELL, THE NUMBER OF INSTRUCTORS IS GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED, WHICH IS GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON THE NUMBER OF STAFF AND THEN THE NUMBER OF, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S THE MISSING LINK.
BUT THEY CAN'T DETERMINE THAT, DON'T THEY? BUT, RIGHT.
I'M JUST BRINGING, I'M JUST BRINGING THAT UP.
AND THEN THERE'S THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, THAT'S WHY SPECIAL USE IS, IS KIND OF IMPORTANT.
WELL, THEY CAN BE REVOKED IF IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THE TOWN.
AND THEN, UH, THAT, THAT'S MY FIRST POINT.
THE SECOND POINT IS, UM, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SPEED CAMERAS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
WELL, WE DO HAVE A SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY WHEN PEOPLE SPEAK THROUGH THE STREETS.
SO I, I GO BY THERE ALL THE TIME AND I SEE PEOPLE SPEEDING UP THAT ALLEY.
UH, I THINK THAT A RACE SIDEWALK WOULD GO FAR TO SLOWING 'EM DOWN.
YOU MEAN A SPEED TABLE? IT'S A SPEED TABLE, BUT IT'S, YOU SAID SIDEWALK.
IT'S A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL CROSSING.
I GOT FEASIBILITY OF INSTALLING ONE OF THOSE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS NOT THE INTERSECTION COMING OUT THE BACK, LIKE RIGHT WHERE THEY CROSS, WHERE THE CROSSWALK, WHERE THE CROSSWALK.
AND THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THOSE, I THINK COMES FROM A PUBLIC WORK STANDPOINT, LIKE THE SNOW PLOW MAINTENANCE ON THE ROAD.
YOU CAN EVEN PUT REMOVABLE, UH, UNITS THERE AND, AND REMOVE THEM.
UH, WHEN THE SNOW'S CALM, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S, THEY THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE LIKE
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REMOVING THE DELINEATORS THAT WE REMOVED ONAND THEY HAVE 'EM OUT AT THE 15TH STREET.
AND, UH, THE SOCIAL SERVICES WE'RE THE ELECTION.
AND THAT BUT THAT'S MORE OF A SPEED HUMP.
SO, BUT, BUT IT, BUT IT WOULD SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
BUT YOU DON'T WANT PUT A SPEED HUMP THERE.
AND THEN DOWN KIND OF LIKE WHAT'S OUT ON SCO AT THE STATE PARK.
ALL YOU NEED IS, YOU WANT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
I WILL JUST SAY THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO BE, UM, ACCOUNTABLE FOR AND AWARE OF IS ANYTHING THAT GOES IN THIS BUILDING, THESE SAME CONCERNS ARE GONNA REMAIN, NO MATTER THE USE CONCERN WHEN IT'S TOWN HALL.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS NO MATTER WHAT.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UM, THE APPLICANT'S ISSUE, SO TO SPEAK.
I MEAN, WE HAD STAFF SPEAK OUT THE LAST WORK SESSION THAT IT WAS A CONCERN WHEN THEY WERE THERE AND IT WASN'T ADDRESSED THEN.
SO IT'S LIKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS WITH KICKING THE CAN, LIKE, OKAY, THERE'S A PROBLEM.
IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO US, WE SEE IT AND WE'RE AWARE NOW WHAT DO WE DO TO ADDRESS IT? AND I THINK THE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, I DID TOUCH ON THAT, BUT ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE ADDRESS THAT AS THIS GOVERNING BODY IS BY FUNDING THE POLICE AND CONTINUING TO FUND THE POLICE AND GIVE THEM THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ME SAYING WHAT I SAID WAS BEING IRRESPONSIBLE OR INCONSIDERATE.
I DO THINK THAT WE ADDRESS THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
WE GET THEM NEW CRUISERS WHEN THEY NEED IT.
MORE STAFF IN THE WAYS THAT WE CAN TO BE COMPETITIVE.
UM, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE PUNISH AN APPLICANT OR A BUSINESS BY ISSUES THAT REMAIN, WHETHER THEY GO THERE OR NOT.
NOW, I DON'T, THE ADULT PART, I GET IT.
I JUST, I JUST, I'VE SPENT 35 YEARS IN AN EDUCATIONAL SETTING AND WHERE KIDS GET DROPPED OFF AND PICKED UP AND IT CAN, THAT THAT IT'S COMING FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES.
LIKE TOWN HALL, YOU COULD PARK IN THE TOWN PARKING LOT, WALK OVER THE BACK AND COME BACK.
ONE WOULD HOPE ADULTS ARE GONNA LOOK BOTH WAYS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
I JUST GET NERVOUS ABOUT KIDS BECAUSE EVERY SCHOOL IN THIS COUNTY HAS A, THEY HAD TO COME UP WITH A DROP OFF AND PICK UP PLAN.
AND THERE IS STAFF THAT'S STANDING OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, NOT ALWAYS.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, WELL, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, AND I'M NOT DISCREDITING THAT, BUT AS A MOTHER WHO DOES PICK UP AND DROP OFF FOR ALL OF MY CHILDREN, THE OLDEST IS 14.
AND I DO IT EVERY SINGLE DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL YEAR.
IT'S MY JOB AND MY RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT HE MAKES IT INTO THE SCHOOL EVERY MORNING SAFELY.
AND I DO, I DROP OFF AND PICK UP THE KISS AND RIDE EVERY SINGLE DAY, FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
AND I WATCH MY CHILDREN EACH MAKE IT INTO THE BUILDING BEFORE I PUT MY CAR AND DRIVE AND PULL OFF.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S NOT, I'M TAKING A RISK BY ALLOWING MY KIDS TO WALK ACROSS THERE.
BUT THAT'S MY RISK AS THEIR MOTHER TO DECIDE, NOT THE GOVERNMENT.
AND I, I KNOW IT SOUNDS HARSH, BUT I TAKE THE STANCE ON EVERYTHING.
IT'S BEEN MY STANCE ON TOBACCO SHOPS OR MURALS.
IT'S NOT OUR JOB, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY INTERFERE WITH THAT.
IT'S PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHTS AND IT'S LOGIC.
AND UM, IN SOME REGARDS, ADULTS NOT LOOKING BOTH WAYS.
THAT'S NOT LIKE THAT BUILDING IS GONNA HAVE A DIFFICULT TIMING MEETING ANY PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
WE'RE GONNA FACE THIS ISSUE AGAIN AND AGAIN.
WELL, THE PARKING LOT THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT.
'CAUSE TECHNICALLY IT'S PARKED RIGHT, BUT THAT'S BEEN LEAKED.
SO IS IT, I THOUGHT THEY SAID NO.
IT'S, I ANYBODY CAN PARK THERE.
SO THE DAYCARE THERE AT THAT CHURCH, UM, I IMAGINE WE'LL START TO COMPETE WITH THE PARKING THAT'LL BE THERE.
OUR CODE REQUIRES PROVISION OF OFF STREET PARKING.
NO MATTER WHAT USE GOES IN THERE, THEY EITHER GET A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM THIS BODY OR THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO LEASE PARKING FROM SOMEWHERE WITHIN 300 FEET, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE.
AND WHICH WOULD BE SILLY BECAUSE IT'S TRANSIENT.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY, THEY'RE STOPPING AND THEY'RE WORKING, OR THEY'RE STOPPING AND SHOPPING, THEY'RE STOPPING AND DROPPING OFF.
SO IT'D BE RIDICULOUS TO MAKE A, YOU KNOW, A, A BIG PARKING LOT REQUIREMENT.
YOU KNOW, WELL, LIKE LORI, JUST ME OR MAYOR COCKWELL, I'M SORRY.
UH, WE HAD THIS COME BEFORE US ON CHESTER STREET, AND THERE'S A PORTION OF CHESTER STREET THAT'S BASICALLY ONLY STILL WRITTEN OUT TO BE A HORSE TRAIL, LIKE FOR HORSE AND BUGGY.
AND SO THEY WANTED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN SUP ABOVE
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A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ON THIS LITTLE CORNER OF CHESTER STREET, BUT THEY NEEDED THEIR OWN DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES TO DO THAT.BUT THE GAZEBO IS LITERALLY 25 FEET ACROSS THE STREET.
AND SO WE WAVED IT AND GAVE THEM AN EXCEPTION.
SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING UNPRECEDENTED BEFORE THIS COUNCIL IS, I GUESS MY POINT LAST COMMENT ON MAKE, SO THAT NOBODY THINKS I'M CRAZY, NOT JUST THIS COUNCIL, BUT THE PUBLIC.
SO LITERALLY EVERY DAY PARENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO DROP THEIR KIDS OFF IN THE DROP OFF LINE AT MY SCHOOL, AND THEY PULL INTO THE FRONT PARKING LOT AND OPEN UP THE DOOR AND LET THEIR KIDS CROSS THE BUS LANE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A BIG SIGN THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO WALK THEM IN.
SO, UNFORTUNATELY, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S THE PARENT'S RESPONSIBILITY.
I JUST THINK YOU KNOW THAT, THAT I'M, I JUST WANTED TO SAY LIKE, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT I'M NOT JUST SAYING THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK PEOPLE WON'T WATCH THEIR KIDS.
SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU I SEE IT EVERY DAY.
I WILL JUST SAY TO THAT SAME NOTE, YEAH, YOU HAVE CLEAR SIGNAGE.
YOU HAVE STAFF STANDING OUT THERE AND YOU HAVE PARENTS WHO KNOW THE RULES, YET THEY'RE STILL BREAKING THEM.
SO WE COULD CONDITION THEM TO HAVE A CROSSING GUARD.
WE CAN CONDITION THEM TO WALK THEM INSIDE, BUT THERE WILL STILL BE PEOPLE WHO DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES.
YOU'RE YOU'RE MAKING MY POINT.
IF A KID GETS HURT, I, YOU KNOW, NOT IN THIS PLACE.
EVEN AT MY SCHOOL, LIKE I AGREE, SOMEBODY GETS HURT.
THE, YOU STILL FEEL LIKE WE KNEW PEOPLE WERE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES.
SO, UM, SO ON JUNE 2ND, YOU'LL BRING THE DATA BACK, RIGHT? YEP.
IF WE GET IT BEFORE WE CAN SEND IT OUT TO COUNSEL.
NEXT UP IS THE REQUEST FOR WATER AND SEWER IN THE 5 22 CORRIDOR FOR INDUSTRIAL USE.
AND MR. PETTY, YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT THAT? YES.
SO LAST, UH, YEAH, THIS WAS LAST, LAST WEEK.
WE, WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS AND I KNOW THAT COUNSEL HAD A FEW QUESTIONS REGARDING THE FUTURE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MANY EMPLOYEES THEY PREDICT THAT THEY HAD.
SO WE REACHED OUT AND WE, I'M THANKFUL THAT BJ AND ROBBIE WERE KIND OF LEAVING THIS BEFORE I CAME IN.
SO THEY WERE COMMUNICATING WITH THE APPLICANT WHO IS HERE THIS EVENING TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS WE LOOK TO MOVE THIS FORWARD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
SO, UM, THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND, AND WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS.
I KNOW IF, IF YOU, YOU HAD DESIGN MADE A SPEAKER, UM, YOU CAN GO UP TO THE PODIUM AND, UH, YOU GUYS, I ALSO, WE ALL COME ON UP TOGETHER.
I'M GONNA DEFER TO MY CLIENTS ON COUPLE.
UM, SO LIKE YOU SAID, UH, NICHOLAS CUMMINGS HERE.
I'M AT THE LAW FIRM OF WALSH COLUCCI AND UH, I WAS IN ARLINGTON FIVE 50 AND I CAME DOWN HERE, TOOK AN HOUR.
ANYONE LIVE HERE? SO I KNOW IT'S NOT THAT EASY EVERY DAY, SO, UM, THANK Y'ALL FOR HAVING US.
IT'S PRETTY EASY EVERY DAY TO LIVE HERE,
WELL THAT I, AND I'VE BEEN HERE PLENTY OF YEARS TO KNOW THAT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE DRIVE IS PROBABLY NOT ALWAYS THAT EASY.
UM, SO I, I WATCHED THE VIDEO OF THE DISCUSSION LAST TIME.
I THINK THAT, UH, Y'ALL WERE FOCUSED ON THE POTENTIAL FUTURE USE OF THIS SITE.
SO OBVIOUSLY LIKE WITH SUMMARIZING THE PRIOR MEETING, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION IN WITH WARREN COUNTY, UM, FOR REZONING FROM OUR CULTURAL TO INDUSTRIAL PERMIT, WIDE VARIETY OF USES.
BUT THE USE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY THINKING THIS, UH, SITE WOULD BE IS AN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, LIKE WAS DISCUSSED.
UM, THERE ARE A WIDER RANGE OF USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THAT ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, I WAS LOOKING THROUGH IT EARLIER.
UM, A LOT OF THEM ARE, YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURING, LIGHT MANUFACTURING AND HEAVIER MANUFACTURING WOULD REQUIRE A DIFFERENT, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITT.
UM, BUT THOSE SORTS OF OTHER GENERAL INDUSTRIAL USES ALSO COULD BE PERMITTED.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE TO ADD TO THIS STAGE.
YOU ALL WANT TO SUSTAIN MORE OR NO, I THINK YOU COVERED, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT OF COURSE THIS WOULD BE FINALIZED AS WE GET CLOSER TO SITE PLAN.
UM, BECAUSE THE APPROVAL ITSELF WOULD PERMIT FOR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS ALLOWED UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UM, IN WARREN COUNTY WITH INDUSTRIAL ZONING.
SO I, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY FOR YOU GUYS, IT'S PROBABLY MORE FOR JOE, UM, OR GEORGE COUNSEL OR COUNSEL COUNSELORS TOWARDS YOU.
SO IT OCCURRED TO ME WHEN I WAS READING THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UM, WAREHOUSE REQUESTS, YOU KNOW, AND MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT RIGHT NOW DATA CENTER'S A HOT, A HOT TOPIC AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING LIKE IF, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SWITCH IT TO A DATA CENTER, TECHNICALLY THAT'D BE KIND OF LIKE A WAREHOUSE.
AND I'M CONCERNED, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE GATE AND SWITCH ON ANY OF THESE.
I WANNA KNOW, I WANNA KNOW IF SOMEBODY'S COMING.
HOW DO WE DO THAT? YEAH, I THINK, SO WE'RE APPROVING
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OR TOWN IS PROVING POTENTIAL WATERLINE SIZE AND CAPACITY.ANYTHING ELSE, LIKE I WOULD SAY MAYBE DATA CENTER OR LIKE A FOOD PROCESS OR SOMETHING MAY REQUIRE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE, UM, RESOURCES.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN ORDER TO UPGRADE THAT SYSTEM.
IN ADDITION, I CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY, BUT CURRENTLY I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY ORDINANCE THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE.
AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PUBLIC PROCESS THROUGH THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO CHANGE THAT USE, AS YOU SAID, LIKE A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S WITHIN THE REZONING, UH, TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALSO OVERLAY DISTRICT, UM, REQUIREMENTS TO THE COUNTY CONDITIONAL USE AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AND SO THAT'S ALL VERY SPECIFIC IN THE USE AS WELL.
AND SO ANY, SO YOU DON'T THINK WAREHOUSE COULD BE EXTENDED TO ENCOMPASS THAT? I MEAN, IN THEORY THE SPACE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, BUT IT WOULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE UTILITIES THAT WE ARE APPROVING, RIGHT, RIGHT.
FOR THAT USE, UM, IT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL MORE GALLONS PER DAY.
IF, IF THAT'S THE TYPE, LIKE I SAID, SOME TYPE OF BOTTLING, FOOD PROCESSING, DIFFERENT HEAVY MANUFACTURING MIGHT TRIGGER A QUESTION.
FOR THE OUT OF TOWN UTILITY CAN OFFER.
DO WE NEED TO PUT IT IN WRITING SOME AT SOME POINT TO SET? I MEAN WE HAVE AN ABSENCE OF WRITING TO ADDRESS IT IN THE CODE.
WELL THE TOWN DOESN'T DO ZONING IN THE COUNTY, SO OH, OH YEAH.
THE TOWN'S CONCERN IS CONNECTION SIZE, SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FEE, WHICH IS TIED TO THE USAGE AND, AND THE USAGE.
WHICH OF COURSE IS LIMITED BY THE CONNECTION SIDE.
UM, AND WHETHER, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, EXCESS CAPACITY.
IS THERE EXCESS AS LONG AS, AS WE HAVE EXCESS CAPACITY.
AND IF THAT CHANGES, THEN IF IT CHANGE THIS, RIGHT? LIKE IF WE END UP NOT HAVING THE SAME EXCESS CAPACITY RIGHT NOW WE, AND IT'S 4,500 GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY IS THE ESTIMATE, RIGHT? SO HOW, HOW, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THEY CAME UP.
HOW DID, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER GENIUSES HERE TODAY? GENIUS.
THAT'S, UH, AND THEN THE NUMBER IS, THE NUMBER'S KINDA ACTUALLY HARD TO GET, UH, UH, LOOKED AROUND DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH REGULATIONS.
I COULDN'T FIND SOMETHING SIMILAR.
UH, THE TOWN DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THEIR PUBLICATION.
SO I WENT ONLINE GOOGLE AND FOUND WHAT MADE SENSE AND 30 GALLONS PER DAY PER EMPLOYEE, WHAT'S THE NUMBER? AND WE TRY TO KEEP A, YOU KNOW, ON A HIGHER END RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU WANT TO ESTIMATE A LITTLE BIT MORE USAGE.
I, I, I CAN SPEAK TO, I MEAN THE CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BAIT AND SWITCH AND STUFF IS ENTIRELY FAIR.
WELL I WASN'T ACCUSING YOU ALL, IT JUST NO, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A BUNCH OF INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE REQUESTS LATELY AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ALL SNEAKING IN AS DATA.
MUCH FOR WATER IS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH OTHER APPLICATIONS.
I MEAN THAT HAVE BEEN INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE.
I MEAN WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF GALLONS OF WATER A DAY NOW THIS IS THE $4,500, 4,000 GALLONS DAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT ON THE HIGH.
IT'S RAISING SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, THREE SHIFTS, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, FOR US, IT'S VERY VAGUE.
YOU KNOW, 50 EMPLOYEES PER SHIFT, THREE SHIFTS, 30 GALLONS PER DAY.
AND THAT'S, I CALCULATE, YEAH.
THERE IS NO INTENTION RIGHT NOW TO PURSUE DATA THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, ON ANYONE'S RADAR.
AND MY ASSUMPTION, MY KNOWLEDGE FROM MY PARTNER WHO DOES A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THIS OUT OF OUR LOUD OFFICE IS THAT I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT IT WOULD BE LEGAL TO THE HIGH DISTRICTS IN WARREN COUNTY.
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN OF THAT.
UM, I, I'LL TELL YOU, THIS IS HILARIOUS.
THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT CAME UP YESTERDAY.
OTHER STATE DINNERS THAT EVERYONE WAS TALKING ABOUT ME GOING FRONT ROW THIS EVENT.
THEY'RE LIKE, DO THEY THINK IT'S GONNA BE A DATA CENTER
BUT THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENS THOUGH.
I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THOUGH THE FACT THAT YOU SAID THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.
VERY VAGUE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU HEARD IT YESTERDAY.
NO, THAT WAS MY UNCLE SAID THAT, SO, UM, YEAH, I GET IT.
YOU KNOW, UM, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT ON OUR RADAR RIGHT NOW AT ALL.
WELL, BUT FOR THE TOWN WE NEED, WE NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, I'D IMAGINE IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION FOR COUNTY FOR ME ANYWAYS, AGAIN, IS THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THIS BEFORE THE ZONING EVEN GETS APPROVED, WHICH MY TAKE IS ON.
I JUST, I WOULD, THE COUNTY LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, MATT WALLING SENT US A LETTER SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING YOU FOR THE PROOF THE WATER HOOKUP YET,
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BUT YET IT'S STILL VERY VAGUE, AT LEAST TO ME, WHAT'S GOING, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD RATHER, I WOULD RATHER HAVE THEM APPROVE THE ZONING FIRST, THEN COME BACK AND ASK FOR WATER.UP UNTIL NOW IT'S BEEN REALLY ABOUT RIGHT.
BUT MOSTLY WHAT'S BEEN UP THROUGH THERE.
SO WE'VE KNOWN WE HAVE AN IDEA AT LEAST OF WHAT TO EXPECT OR WE'VE HAD PRETTY CLEAR OR CLEAR DESCRIPTIONS, DESCRIPTION, DOESN'T SAY WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL ON THUS FAR.
SO WE WATER THIS INVOLVING A ZONING CHANGE IS A CONCERN.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
INDUSTRIAL ALWAYS HAS TO ASK ABOUT THE WATER.
SO COUNCIL, WHAT I WAS GONNA MENTION IN GOING TO THE, I GUESS MONTHLY DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS, WE HAVE THE SAME ISSUES THAT RAP ELECTRIC, THE PROVIDER HAS AGAIN, IN USE.
SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT SIZE KILOWATT LINE IN TRANSFORMERS, THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I MENTIONED TO THEM 'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME MORE THAT ARE COMING OUT THERE.
AND AGAIN, WHAT IS THE FINE USAGE? BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE, UH, TIED ON WATER DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS AND LIKE CITIZENS GONNA LOOK AT APPROVING THIS AND YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GIVING YOUR WATER AWAY AND DO WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER? THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERNS ARE COMING FROM.
AND AS, UH, COUNCILWOMAN DEMON PAYNE SAID, AS LONG AS THIS ISN'T A FRONT FOR SOMETHING BIGGER, SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ALL INTENDED IT TO BE, IT WAS OUR BEST ATTEMPT TO PUT TOGETHER A, YOU KNOW, CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE ON OUR SIDE NEEDING MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, LESS OF WHAT THIS WOULD UH, CONSUME.
AND IT REALLY IS THE THOUGHT IS INDUSTRIAL BUILDING WAREHOUSE EXACTLY.
WELL THERE'S BRAND NEW AND OUT THERE JUST NORTH OF THE JAIL.
BUT CAN I ASK HIM? WE COULD, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS USAGE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES, WE DON'T THINK THEY WORK AROUND THE CLOCK AND, AND WE'LL KNOW IT SITE PLAN.
AND OBVIOUSLY IF, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WE HAD TO MAKE THIS APPEARANCE OF THAT SORT OF DECISION.
IT MIGHT EVEN BE EASIER FOR US.
BUT WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH THIS.
AND FOR US, THE REASON WHY WE, BECAUSE IT DOES KEEP, IT'S BEEN A LOT, I KNOW WHEN I EMAILED MS. PRESLEY LAST WEEK, WE'VE GOT ALL THE DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES THAT EACH PLACE THAT'S COME BEFORE US TO ASK.
IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BEEN A LOT.
AND SO AS COUNCILMAN WOOD SAID WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE APPLICATIONS, IT, IN MY MIND I'M KIND OF DOING A RUNNING TOTAL OF HOW MUCH WATER, OKAY, THIS ONE NEEDS THIS MUCH AND THIS ONE NEEDS THAT MUCH BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, THAT INTO TOWN IS, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE FOR ALL OF THAT AND THE WATER AND THEN PUTTING, YOU KNOW, THAT PUTTING IN A WAREHOUSE DOESN'T MEAN NOW WE DON'T PUT IN THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S, THEY GOT ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY GOING AT THE SAME TIME.
THEY'LL FINISH UP AND WELL WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER AND WE MAY NEED TO EVALUATE YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN TOWN AND RESERVE THE WATER FOR IN TOWN DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT'S OUR MANDATE FIRST.
WE'RE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE ANYBODY THAT'S IN TOWN WATER.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THESE, THAT'S THE REASON WHY THESE APPLICATIONS KEEP COMING TO US IS BECAUSE NOT COMMERCIAL IN THE CORRIDOR BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE VSA, BUT INDUSTRIAL USES HAVE TO CASE CASE BY CASE.
IT'S CASE BY CASE BASED, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ASKING ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE CROSS ALL OUR T'S AND DOT ALL OF OUR I'S.
AND, BUT ANYWAY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THESE GENTLEMEN? THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT, THE ONLY THING THAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW IS YOU'RE ESTIMATING 4,500 GALLONS PER DAY.
AND WE ONLY KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SINKS, TOILETS AND SHOWERS.
AND THAT'S ALL WE KNOW AT THIS JUNCTURE.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE, PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW THE END USER OR THE TYPE OF FACILITY BECAUSE WE'LL REZONE, RIGHT? AND THEN THAT ZONING DISTRICT PERMITS A VARIETY OF USES BY WRITING YOU SIDE PLAN AND FINALIZE ALL THAT.
YOU GUYS WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO IT? I MEAN IT'S JUST TO NAIL IT DOWN AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK.
THEY DON'T, THAT'S WHY THIS IS SO TRICKY FOR US.
'CAUSE NOBODY COMES BACK AND ASKS US ONCE WE SAY, ONCE WE SAY YES, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE THE WATER, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE THE WATER, EVERYTHING ELSE WILL GO TO THE COUNTY, ANYTHING ELSE, THAT SITE PLAN, EVERYTHING ELSE WILL GO TO THE COUNTY.
AND AT THAT POINT WE DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT UNLESS AS WE SAID BEFORE, UNLESS OUR EXCESS USAGE BECOMES IN QUESTION, THEN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT LATER IN THAT PROCESS IS WHEN THE UH, CONNECTION SIZE WILL BE DETERMINED AND THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE
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THAT IS LATER IN THE PROCESSBUT THE, THE AMOUNT, UH, IS, IS UPFRONT THE AMOUNT OF WATER.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH IT AS WELL BECAUSE WE PUT THIS APPLICATION TOGETHER AND IT WASN'T ALL THAT EASY FOR US TO NAIL DOWN EXACTLY WHAT WE NEEDED.
BUT IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A STRONG IDEA THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE WATER AVAILABLE AS YOU PROCEED TOWARDS ATTEMPTING TO REZONE AND SPEND ALL THIS MONEY TO GO FORWARD.
ALRIGHT, SO FUTURE STEPS CONCERNING THE TOWN CONNECTION SIZE EASEMENTS THAT WE DEALT WITH TONIGHT.
UM, AND THE ULTIMATE WATER AGREEMENT.
MR. IN THE MOTION THOUGH, UH, IF THIS COUNSEL AGREES TO PROVIDE THAT, WILL THERE BE LANGUAGE AND MOTION BE THAT SAYS THAT IT'S A 4,500 GALLONS A DAY, BUT THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY? I CAN SURE THAT YEAH.
I, I JUST AM SAYING THAT BECAUSE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, NOT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A BAIT AND SWITCH, BUT EVEN SOMETHING ELSE, LIKE IF DECIDE TO BE A WATER BOTTLING PLANT THAT GOES IN THERE, THAT'S WAY DIFFERENT THAN WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTER.
'CAUSE WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTER'S NOT, IT'S JUST GONNA BE OUR EMPLOYEES.
LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE, BUT SEE IF WE, IF THE TOWN APPROVES A HALF INCH CONNECTION, HOW MUCH WATER CAN YOU PUSH THROUGH A HALF INCH IN 24 HOURS CONNECTION.
RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, SO THIS WOULD BE ON TO TAKE ACTION ON 27TH.
SO WE CAN DO THAT THIS MONTH IN MAY.
ALL YOUR OTHER ONES HAVE BEEN BUSINESS ITEMS. DO YOU WANNA LEAVE IT UNDER
I FEEL LIKE YOU WE'RE STILL GETTING INFORMATION TONIGHT.
IT NEEDS TO BE NOT CONSENT, NON CONSENT.
SO PEOPLE CAN, PEOPLE CAN, YOU KNOW.
I DID, I ENJOYED THE DISCUSSION IN PARTICULAR OF THE CHILDCARE USE PERMIT BECAUSE I DO A LOT OF THOSE, BUT I DO THEM IN ARLINGTON COUNTY WHERE I GOTTA TELL YOU THE COMMON SENSE OUT OF THIS ROOM AND YOU KNOW, THE ROLE THAT YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE PLAYING VERSUS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK THEY SHOULD BE PLAYING.
WHERE I
WE'RE, WE'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT HERE.
A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE MORE REALISTIC.
WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA, JUST TWO IS WRONG.
WE WILL COME TOGETHER ON TUESDAY, MAY 27TH, RIGHT.
SEVEN O'CLOCK AT THE GOVERNMENT MEETING.