* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. MOMENT OF SILENCE] [00:00:05] OKAY. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE BRENT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING FOR APRIL 28TH TO ORDER, AND WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE. [2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] OKAY. NEXT, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND AS YOU KNOW, AS MAYOR, I INVITE STUDENTS FROM THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL TO LEAD OUR COUNCIL IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. THIS MONTH WE WELCOME ISAIAH AND ELI TALT. CAN YOU BOYS COME FORWARD? AS ELI AND ISAIAH ARE COMING FORWARD, I'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT ISAIAH AND ELI ARE THE SONS OF KENNY T**T. THEY'RE LOVED BY LOTS OF GRANDPARENTS TOO. TERRY AND JULIA T**T, JEANETTE ALLISON AND MARK AND LISA. AY ELI'S IN THE THIRD GRADE AT RUSTY JEFFRIES ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHERE HE IS PART OF THE JAGUAR PILES AND GETS TO READ TO THE KINDERGARTNERS. HE ENJOYS PLAYING SOCCER AND HIS FAVORITE FOOD IS STEAK. AND ELI WANTS TO BE A GEOLOGIST LIKE HIS DAD WHEN HE GROWS UP. ISAIAH IS IN THE FIRST GRADE AT RUSTY JEFFRIES AND IS MADE ALL O'S ALL YEAR. HE ALSO ENJOYS PLAYING SOCCER AND HIS FAVORITE FOOD IS PIZZA. AND ISAIAH WANTS TO BE A CEO OF HIS OWN COMPANY WHEN HE GROWS UP. BOTH BOYS SHARED THAT THEIR FAVORITE HOBBIES ARE LEGOS, MINECRAFT, AND PLAYING OUTSIDE WITH FRIENDS. AND THEY HAVE CHOSEN THEIR GIFT CERTIFICATES FROM ME TO C AND C FROZEN TREATS. ISAIAH AND ELI WILL BE RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE THANKING THEM FOR THEIR PATRIOTISM AND PARTICIPATION IN THE FRONT WALL TOWN COUNCIL MEETING ON APRIL 28TH, 2025. SIR, ARE YOU GUYS READY? ALRIGHT, EVERYONE, PLEASE STAND. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR SAINTS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY. AND JOSEPH FOR, HOLD ON. OKAY, [3. ROLL CALL] MS. PRESLEY, ARE WE READY FOR THE ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKRELL. HERE. VICE MAYOR ENTAL. HERE. COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE. HERE. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? HERE. COUNCILMAN OCK? HERE. COUNCILMAN WOOD HERE. [4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] OKAY. AND THE NEXT ITEM IN OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. DO I HEAR A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR? I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, APPROVE THE COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES OF THE MARCH 24TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING. APRIL 7TH, 2025. WORK SESSION IN APRIL 14TH, 2025. WORK SESSION AS PRESENTED. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR ENTAL? YES. COUNCILMAN OCK? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. [5. ADDITION/DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA OR REVISION TO ORDER OF BUSINESS] OKAY. NEXT, ARE THERE ANY ADDITION OR DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA AND OR REVISION TO AN ORDER OF BUSINESS? UH, MADAM MAYOR, IN ORDER TO, UH, INVO, UH, AVOID FIGHTING WORDS BETWEEN, UH, FROM DIFFERENTIATING FORD AND A CHEVROLET, UH, I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVED. WELL, I MOVE THAT COUNSEL CHANGED THE WORDING OF THE, OF A PROPOSED MOTION FROM, UH, FOR [00:05:01] ITEM 10 D FROM CHEVROLET TO FORD. SECOND. OKAY. SO WHEN WE GET TO ITEM 10 D, THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF OUR CONSENT AGENDA. REMIND EVERYONE 'CAUSE AS WE ALL JUST DISCUSSED EARLIER, EXCHANGING CHEVROLET FOR FORD MIGHT BE FIGHTING WORDS FOR SOME. SO WHEN WE DO ITEM 10 D, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE NOTE THAT IN OUR MINUTES. DO WE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE, WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. IT'S JUST CHANGING THE WORDS, RIGHT? OKAY. ALL [6. RECOGNITIONS/AWARDS/REPORTS/PRESENTATIONS] RIGHT. NEXT UP ARE REC RECOGNITIONS AWARDS, REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS. AND I'M EXCITED TO SAY WE HAVE QUITE A FEW OF THOSE TONIGHT. SO IT'S GONNA BE A, UM, A WONDERFUL NIGHT OF RECOGNIZING LOTS OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS. SO FIRST UP IS A RECOGNITION OF CULLEN OLDLAND OBTAINING CLASS ONE WATERWORKS OPERATOR'S LICENSE. AND MR. ROBBIE BOYER IS GONNA COME FORWARD. UH, MADAM MAYOR MEMBER COUNCILS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. UH, IT'S MY PLEASURE TONIGHT TO PRESENT AN OPERATOR FROM THE TOWN OF FRONT RULES WATER TREATMENT PLANT COLIN OLAND FOR HIS ACHIEVEMENT OF THE VIRGINIA CLASS ONE WATER OPERATOR'S LICENSE. COLIN HAS BEEN EMPLOYED FOR THE TOWN FOR A LITTLE OVER TWO, TWO YEARS THIS MONTH. AND IN THAT TIME HAS RISEN TO THE CHALLENGE OF BECOMING A CERTIFIED WATER TREATMENT PLANT OPERATOR AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. HE HAS EXCEEDED THE EXPEC EXPECTATIONS AND SUCCESSFULLY REACHED THE GOAL OF OBTAINING HIS CLASS ONE LICENSE. UH, COLIN HAS FULFILLED A REMARKABLE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF PASSING ALL FOUR STATE LICENSE EXAMS ON THE FIRST ATTEMPT. THESE EXAMS ARE EXTREMELY CHALLENGING, COVERING A WIDE VARIETY OF TOPICS, INCLUDING TREATMENT TECHNIQUES, STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS, MATH, GEOMETRY, SAFETY, AND MANAGEMENT, UH, CALLING ACHIEVEMENTS. SH UH, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF HIS HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO THE TOWN. WE'RE PROUD TO HAVE HIM AS PART OF OUR STAFF AND WE HAVE A PLAQUE THAT'S WONDERFUL FOR CALLING. THAT'S WONDERFUL. COLIN, WE'RE GONNA COME DOWN THERE AND TAKE A PICTURE WITH YOU IF THAT'S OKAY. . THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO. I SAID TO COLIN THAT, THAT I WOULD LOVE FOR HIM TO TELL MY STUDENTS HOW MATH, HOW HE USED MATH IN REAL LIFE TO HELP HIM PASS THOSE, ALL OF THOSE EXAMS AND DO HIS JOB. NEXT IS OUR RECOGNITION OF PROMOTIONS AND THAT IS GONNA BE CHIEF WHITE. WE GOT OURSELVES A FULL HOUSE BACK THERE, DON'T WE? DON'T BE SHY. COME ON UP, . SO, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I WANNA APPRECIATE THANK YOU FOR, UH, RECOGNIZING EVERY ONCE TONIGHT HERE AT OUR OFFICE. THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS. WE STARTED THIS BACK IN LIKE DECEMBER. UH, WE WORKED THROUGH JANUARY AND DUE TO SOME OF THE THE STAFFING, WE FINALLY GOT UP THE STAFFING ROOM AND PUT, UM, SUPERVISORS IN PLACE. SO I'LL BE REAL QUICK TONIGHT. SO I'M GONNA INTRODUCE, UH, CAPTAIN DAVE FOGLE. HE WAS PROMOTED FROM SERGEANT. HE COMES TO US, UH, HE HAS 21 YEARS OF SERVICE, IF I'M CORRECT ON THAT. 21 YEARS OF SERVICE, UM, WITH THE POLICE WORK. SO HE MADE IT THROUGH THE PROMOTION. LET ME BACK UP ON OUR PROMOTIONAL PROCESS. IT IS A, UH, THREE PHASES. WE HAVE OUTSIDE PANELS, WE COME THROUGH, WE DO TESTING. SO THESE GUYS REALLY DID SHINE THROUGH IN RECOMMENDATION OF AN OUTSIDE PANEL. SO IT REALLY DOES HELP TO GIVE US INSIGHT. SO ANYWAY, CAPTAIN, UH, DAVID FOGEL AND THEN TO THE RIGHT [00:10:01] OF HIM IS, UH, SERGEANT SCOTT BAKER. SO SERGEANT SCOTT BAKER, HE COMES TO US WITH SEVEN YEARS OF SERVICE. PRIOR TO THAT, HE WAS 11 YEARS WITH THE UNITED STATES ARMY AND HE SERVED AS A CAPTAIN, SO I'M PROUD TO PROMOTE HIM AS WELL. AND THEN I DO NOT HAVE SERGEANT TYLER SMITH. UH, HE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. AND THEN ALSO, UM, CORPORAL JEREMY SEALE. HE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE WITH US TONIGHT AS WELL, WHATEVER HERE IN THE SUIT. I ALSO HAVE CORPORAL, UH, ZACH WALLACE. HE'S ASSIGNED TO OUR DETECTIVE DIVISION. SO NOW TO PROMOTE HIM, HE COMES TO US WITH, UH, SEVEN YEARS OF SERVICE AS WELL. AND THEN THESE TWO RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THEIR FUTURE RIGHT HERE WITH THE REST OF THEM. UM, BROOKE DEVAL AND THEN ALSO ANDREW PAVS. SO THEY WERE OUR NEW HIRES THAT CAME IN, UM, JULY. THEY WENT TO THE ACADEMY AND THEN GRADUATED IN NOVEMBER. SO AFTER ABOUT 20 WEEKS OR SO IN THE ACADEMY, THEN THEY COME OUT WITH ABOUT 13 WEEKS OF FIELD TRAINING. SO THEY JUST COMPLETED THE FIELD TRAINING. SO THEY'RE NOW FULL SERVICE OFFICERS WITH US. SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. WE DEFINITELY HAVE, UH, A FEW MORE POSITIONS TO FIELD. AND THEN I LOOK TO FILL THE ACADEMY COMING UP HERE SOON WITH FIVE BRAND NEW OFFICERS. SO WE'LL PROBABLY BE DOING IT AGAIN ABOUT THIS TIME, UH, NEXT YEAR. SO IT TAKES ABOUT A YEAR OR SO TO GET 'EM IN SERVICE. SO ANYWAY, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU. UM, WE'RE GONNA COME DOWN THERE TOO. SORRY, THE, WE'RE A PHOTO OP KIND OF GROUP. SO ANYWAY, WE'RE GONNA COME DOWN THERE AND SEVERAL OF US HAVE ALREADY STAYED DOWN THERE 'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF UP AND DOWN. SO GETTING OUR STUFF. HOW ABOUT, I WAS LIKE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO SCRUNCH IN A LITTLE BIT MORE. YOU WANT, LIKE, MAKE THOSE NOT A STRAW STAIN. SURE. SO BRUCE, YOU'RE GONNA TO SCOOT UP A LITTLE BIT? NO, MELISSA, YOUR FAVOR. ME TOO. TURN A LITTLE BIT. NOPE, NOPE. OKAY. WE'RE ALL TURNING THIS WAY. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU TO ALL THE FAMILIES THAT CAME OUT TO SUPPORT YOUR LOVED ONES TOO, FOR THOSE PROMOTIONS. SO NEXT UP IS ITEM SIX C, WHICH IS A RECOGNITION OF ENERGY SERVICES DEPARTMENT FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC POWER ASSOCIATION. AND I BELIEVE THAT MR. AL IS GONNA COME FORWARD. CARRIE, HOW ABOUT IF I MEET YOU DOWN THERE WITH ALL OF THESE? THAT'S FINE. IS THAT OKAY? YES. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL LET THESE GUYS STAND HERE. THEY STAND BEHIND. YOU GONNA GO UP THERE AND TELL EVERYBODY WHAT THESE ARE? ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE. ALRIGHT, SO WE RECEIVED THREE AWARDS. UM, WE RECEIVED FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC POWER ASSOCIATION. WE GOT A NATIONAL RECOGNITION FOR THE EXCELLENCE IN SAFETY AND, UH, EXCELLENCE IN RELIABILITY. AND WE HAD THE RP THREE DESIGNATION. UM, SO THE RP THREE DESIGNATION IS FOR AMERICAN PUBLIC POWER ASSOCIATION. UH, IT'S FOR PROVIDING RELIABLE AND SAFE ELECTRIC SERVICE. UM, WE'RE PROFICIENT IN FOUR KEY AREAS, RELIABILITY, SAFETY, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, AND SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS. SO THIS IS, UH, FOR THREE YEARS [00:15:01] RECOGNITION. I MEAN, OUR DEPARTMENT IS TOP NOTCH. UH, MOST OF Y'ALL KNOW THAT. SO IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT THEM. EXCELLENT. MR. PETTY, DID YOU HOLD ONE OF THESE? CARRIE CAN HOLD ONE, THEN I CAN HOLD ONE. WE'LL HAVE ALL THREE BECAUSE THESE ARE, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE? I THINK THIS ONE HEARING. OH, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO? THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING. OKAY, SO NEXT IS ITEM 60, WHICH IS A PROCLAMATION FOR THE PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPALS CLERK WEEK. AND I'M GONNA READ THAT NOW. SO WHEREAS THE INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE OF MUNICIPAL CLERK IIMC INITIATED MUNICIPAL CLERKS WEEK IN 1969 ON FEBRUARY 13TH, 1984, CONGRESS BY SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION 92 DESIGNATED THE FIRST FULL WEEK IN MAY AS MUNICIPAL CLERKS WEEK AUTHORIZING AND REQUESTING THE PRESIDENT TO ISSUE A PROCLAMATION AND OBSERVANCE OF THAT WEEK. AND WHEREAS THE MUNICIPAL CLERK IS THE OLDEST OF PUBLIC SERVANT POSITIONS AND A CRITICAL PART OF EFFICIENT AND RESPONSIVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROVIDING A DIRECT LINK BETWEEN PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE BY PRESERVING RECORDS FOR POSTERITY AND IMPLEMENTING GOVERNMENTAL DECISIONS. AND WHEREAS THE MUNICIPAL CLERK HAS PLEDGED TO ENSURE THE SMOOTH TRANSITION OF DAILY GOVERNMENT BUSINESS KEEPING MINDFUL OF NEUTRALITY AND IMPARTIALITY, RENDERING EQUAL SERVICE TO ALL. AND NOW THEREFORE, THE MAYOR INTOWN COUNCIL PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF MAY 4TH THROUGH THE 10TH 2025 AS THE 56TH ANNUAL PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL CLERKS WEEK IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT MRS. PRESLEY IS, UM, WHO WE BE RECOGNIZING IN THIS WEEK. AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, SHE HELPS. SHE KEEPS THE SHIP GOING, DOESN'T SHE? EVERYBODY? AND WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT PRESERVING, UM, RECORDS FOR POSTERITY, I HAVE YET IN MY FIVE YEARS TO BRING UP SOMETHING ABOUT THE PAST. LIKE, WELL, WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? AND, AND MS. PRESLEY, USUALLY BEFORE I CAN CHECK MY EMAIL AGAIN, FINDS IT, SENDS IT TO US. SO SHE IS ABOUT AS EFFICIENT AS THEY GET. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK FOR ALL OF US AND THE CITIZENS. SO NEXT UP IS OUR PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL POLICE WEEK. NOW I'M SO GLAD YOU GOT STUCK AROUND WHERE NATIONAL POLICE WEEK IS A TIME TO HONOR THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN IN BLUE WHO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND OFFERS HONOR, REMEMBRANCE, AND PEER SUPPORT, WHILE ALLOWING LAW ENFORCEMENT SURVIVORS AND CITIZENS TO GATHER AND PAY RESPECT TO THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES IN THE LINE OF DUTY. AND WHEREAS IN 1962, PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY SIGNED A PROCLAMATION WHICH DESIGNATED MAY 15TH AS PEACE OFFICERS MEMORIAL DAY, KNOWN TODAY AS NATIONAL POLICE WEEK, AND NOW THEREFORE THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL PROCLAIM MAY 11TH THROUGH THE 17TH AS NATIONAL POLICE WEEK IN THE TOWN OF FRONT RULE, RECOGNIZING OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND REMEMBER WITH SOLEMN RESPECT THOSE OFFICERS WHO MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE, NEVER FORGETTING THEIR COURAGE AND SERVICE. THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU. WE HAVE ONE MORE, THE 65TH ANNUAL NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK PROCLAMATION, WHICH WILL, UM, THAT WEEK WILL BE MAY 18TH THROUGH THE 24TH PEOPLE PURPOSE PRESENCE. WHEREAS PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS FOCUS ON INFRASTRUCTURE, FACILITIES AND SERVICES THAT ARE OF VITAL IMPORTANCE TO THE SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT COMMUNITIES AND TO PUBLIC HEALTH, HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE AND WELLBEING OF THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. AND WHEREAS THESE INFRASTRUCTURE, FACILITIES AND SERVICES COULD NOT BE PROVIDED WITHOUT THE DEDICATED EFFORTS OF PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS [00:20:02] WHO ARE ENGINEERS, MANAGERS, AND EMPLOYEES AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR REBUILDING, IMPROVING AND PROTECTING OUR NATION'S TRANSPORTATION, WATER SUPPLY, WATER TREATMENT, AND SOLID WASTE SYSTEMS, PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND OTHER STRUCTURES AND FACILITIES ESSENTIAL FOR OUR CITIZENS. AND WHEREAS IT IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST FOR THE CITIZENS, CIVIC LEADERS AND CHILDREN IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE OF AND MAINTAIN AN ONGOING INTEREST AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF PUBLIC WORKS AND PUBLIC WORKS PROGRAMS IN THE RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS THE YEAR 2025 MARKS THE 65TH ANNUAL NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK, SPONSORED BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION, CANADIAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION, BE IT NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL TO HEREBY DESIGNATE THE WEEK OF MAY 18TH THROUGH THE 24TH AS NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, URGING ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND ACTIVITIES, EVENTS AND CEREMONIES DESIGNED TO PAY TRIBUTE TO PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS, ENGINEERS, MANAGERS, AND EMPLOYEES. WE RECOGNIZE THE FOLLOWING CONTRIBUTIONS AND HARD WORK OF APPROXIMATELY 70 TOWN OF FRONT ROW PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES WHO WORK HARD EVERY DAY AND ON CALL 24 7, PROTECTING OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY, ADVANCING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL DURING EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, TAKING THEM AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES. I'M ABOUT TO READ, UM, SOME PRETTY AMAZING STATISTICS HERE. THEY MAINTAIN 143.74 MOVING LANE MILES, PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ROADS. THEY MAINTAIN 92 MILES OF STORM SEWER, MOW WHEAT, EAT, AND TRACTOR MOW TOWN PROPERTIES RIGHT OF WAYS AND MEDIANS, PLANTS, DESIGNS, INSTALLS AND MAINTAINS FLORAL LANDSCAPES, HANGING BASKETS. AND OVER 350 TREE PLANTINGS COLLECTS TRASH RECYCLING YARD WASTE FROM 6,290. CUSTOMERS CLEANS DISINFECTS TOWN BUILDINGS AND PERFORMS SKILLED MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS TO TOWN BUILDINGS FABRICATES STALLS AND REPLACES TOWN STREET SUNS AND MAINTAINS CROSSWALKS, PERFORMS PAVING POTHOLE AND STREET REPAIRS, BRIDGE MAINTENANCE AND STREET SWEEPING, PERFORM SIDEWALK, CURB GUTTER INSTALLATION REPAIRS, STORM DRAIN INSTALLATION, REPAIRS AND STORM CLEANUP. ASSIST TOWN WITH COMMUNITY EVENTS AND ROAD CLOSURES, ONCALL 24 7 FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS SUCH AS SNOW REMOVAL, REPAIR OF WATER BREAKS AND SEWER BACKUPS, SORRY, PROVIDES WATER TO 6,481 CUSTOMERS AND SEWER TO 6,181. CUSTOMERS WASTEWATER TREATS AN AVERAGE OF 4.5 MILLION GALLONS OF SEPAGE PER DAY. WATER PRODUCES 2,300 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, MAINTAINS 119 MILES OF WATERLINE, 124 MILES OF SANITARY SEWER AND 756 FIRE HYDRANTS, REVIEWS AND INSPECTS ALL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN TOWN LIMITS AND IN THE COUNTY WHERE WATER AND SEWER ARE PROVIDED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH TOWN STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS. MR. BOYER, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO RECOGNIZING, UH, YOUR, UH, STAFF. AND THAT'S JUST AMAZING TO ME. ALL OF THESE THINGS WE MIGHT, I MIGHT CLIP THIS AND PUT THAT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CELEBRATING THAT WEEK. [7.A. Special Use Permit Application Submitted by Pennoni Associates, Inc. on behalf of Bereen and Berry Investments LLC, for Multi-Family Apartments and An Office Building on a Vacant Parcel off Royal Lane.] ALRIGHT, SEVEN. UM, ITEM SEVEN, WE NOW COME TO THE PORTION OF OUR MEETING THAT IS FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING. UH, WE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNSEL TO LEARN OF INFORMATION OF WHICH THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY AWARE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE RECOGNIZED AND COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND INDICATE IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. IF THE COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, YOU MAY SIMPLY STATE THAT YOU AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. THERE IS A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR SPEAKERS. AFTER THREE MINUTES, THE MICROPHONE WILL CUT OFF. PLEASE REMEMBER, YOU ARE TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNSEL AND TO REFRAIN FROM WORDS OR STATEMENTS WHICH ARE DEFAMATORY TO SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS OR DISPLAY OTHER DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT INCLUDING OBSCENITY AND VULGARITY. SO OUR FIRST, UM, ITEM, OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY PANIA ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED ON BEHALF OF BOREEN AND BERRY INVESTMENTS, [00:25:01] LLC FOR MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS AND AN OFFICE BUILDING ON A VACANT PARCEL OFF, UM, ROYAL LANE. AND SO, MS. PRESLEY, I'M GONNA HAVE YOU READ THE SUMMARY. OKAY. COUNSEL'S RECEIVED THE REQUEST. COUNSEL'S RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM PAN ASSOCIATES INC. IN CARE OF MIKE ARTS ON BEHALF OF MARINE AND BARRY INVESTMENTS, LLC FOR MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS CONTAINING 36 UNITS AND THREE SEPARATE APARTMENT HOUSES CONTAINING 12 UNITS EACH. IN AN OFFICE BUILDING ON A VACANT PARCEL OFF OF ROYAL LANE, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP TWO OH A ONE SEVEN DASH ONE DASH 14 B ONE, AND ZONED C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE SUP WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AN APPROPRIATE BARRIER OR FENCE BE INSTALLED TO ISOLATE THE PROPERTY FROM THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. NUMBER TWO, UPGRADE THE PRIVATE DRIVE AS SHOWN ON THE MAP. NUMBER THREE, EXTEND THE ROAD TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND NOT JUST END AT THE CUL-DE-SAC. THANK YOU MS. PRESLEY. SO AT THIS TIME, STAFF WE'RE IN A, UM, ALLOW THEM TO, SO THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, STARTED BACK IN DECEMBER. UM, SO THIS IS FOR A 36 UNIT, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEX AT, AT THE END OF ROYAL LANE. UM, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONE C ONE. THAT'S WHY WE NEEDED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM, SO HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE. SO IT WOULD BE THREE APARTMENT HOUSES CONTAINING 12 UNITS EACH. UM, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT, SO YOU SAW THIS IN YOUR WORK SESSION. SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS THAT THERE WOULD BE ONE ENTRANCE TO ACCESS ALL THREE STRUCTURES, UH, 12 APARTMENTS IN EACH STRUCTURE. THEY'VE GOT SUFFICIENT PARKING. THEY'RE, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THERE, THEY'RE WILLING TO DEDICATE THE 60 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY LINE. UM, AND THEN, SORRY, THAT WAS IT. UM, THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE, BUT THE APPLICANT IS ON THEIR WAY. UM, SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW YOU WANNA HANDLE THAT. UM, THEY WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT THOUGH. I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, ASK DOES COUNCIL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? I MEAN, I KNOW AS, AS MS. KAKI SAID THAT WE'VE HAD THIS AT MULTIPLE WORK SESSIONS, BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY NEW QUESTIONS? UH, MADAM MAYOR, I JUST, UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT DO, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE PRIVATE DRIVE IS SHOWN ON THE MAP. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT ONE. IS THAT THE PRIVATE DRIVE? THE PRIVATE DRIVE THAT THE, INTO THE PROPERTY. OKAY. INTO THE PROPERTY. OKAY. I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. THAT'S WHY I JUST MM-HMM . WANNA MAKE SURE IT WOULDN'T NO. SO THE GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, THE ACCESS TO THE SITE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S 60 FOOT WIDE, SO IT WOULD COME, IT WOULD JUST EXTEND ROYAL LANE. BUT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THEY WOULD JUST DEDICATE THAT AREA INSTEAD OF DEVELOPING IT. THE ONE ENTRANCE IS SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT THEY NEED. AND THEN AT A LATER DATE, IF THE TOWN EVER COMES IN AND CONNECTS FREEMOUNT ROAD, THEN THEY WOULD DEDICATE THAT PROPERTY TO, UM, THE TOWN. AS I UNDERSTAND YOU SAID THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE YET. IT, THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY. OKAY. SO, UH, UM, NORMALLY WE WOULD LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, MS. PRESLEY, HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE HAVE TWO. OKAY. FIRST ONE'S. THERESA NORTH. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS MY CONCERNS. I'M THERESA NORTH AND I LIVE AT 1 24 ROBINSON ROAD IN FRONT ROYAL, AND I'M ASKING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE INFORMA SOME INFORMATION THAT PERTAINS TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ON ROYAL LANE. UM, AND WE'VE SENT THIS INFORMATION, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT I REPEAT, UM, THIS INFORMATION TO YOU GUYS. ROYAL LANE IS 1100 FOOT LONG AND THERE'S ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF IT. AND CURRENTLY THERE ARE 90 APARTMENTS, NINE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND THERE ARE 75 DAYCARE FAMILIES THAT [00:30:01] ACCESS THAT ROAD AND THREE PROFESSIONAL OFFICES. AND THOSE CURRENT, UM, ENTITIES MAKE 13 OVER 1300 TRIPS A DAY ON THAT ROAD. AND THE PROPOSED 36 UNITS WILL ADD AN ADDITIONAL 252 TRIPS A DAY ON THAT ROAD. SO IT'S WELL OVER 1500 TRIPS A DAY. UM, AT THE WORK SESSION ON MARCH THE 10TH, THERE WERE POSSIBIL POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAD VDO COME IN AND THE TOWN OFFERED A SOLUTION, A POSSIBLE STRIPING AND THAT, AND, UM, I'M REQUESTING THAT ALL THESE OPTIONS BE CONSIDERED. UM, TODAY WHEN I WENT ON MY LUNCH BREAK, THE STRIPING THAT ADDRESSED THE STACKING OF THE CARS AND THAT WHEN YOU TURNED IN THE ENTRANCE OF ROYAL LANE, THERE WERE 18 CARS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD UP TO THE FIRE HYDRANT THAT I'M PRETTY SURE THE, THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICES USED TO PARK. AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIRE HYDRANT, THERE WERE TWO ADDITIONAL CARS. AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE THE NO PARKING IS, THERE WERE FIVE CARS THERE, AND THAT PARKING LOT WAS FULL. AND SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO OUT, IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN AND SOMEBODY'S MAKING A RIGHT TURN AND THERE ARE FIVE CARS HERE, THEN EVERYBODY'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE HUNG UP. SO THE STREET'S ALREADY OVERWHELMED. AND I WORRY ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC THAT THIS CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA ADD TO THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, CARS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND THE TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF THE APARTMENTS. UM, I KNOW THAT JOHN MARSHALL'S ALREADY ON YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO IT'S A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND THE TOWN'S AWARE OF IT. BUT I JUST ASK THAT IN REGARDS TO THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THE PROBLEMS THAT WE ALREADY KNOW EXIST AND POSSIBLY DELAY THIS WHILE WE LOOK INTO ALL THE OPTIONS FOR THE SAFETY OF ALL THAT TRAVEL THAT ROAD, THERE'S A SCHOOL BUS THAT GOES IN AND OUT. THERE ARE TWO DAY GEAR VANS THAT ARE TR TRAVELING WITH STUDENTS IN THEM. AND IN THE SUMMER MONTHS WE'RE DOING FIELD TRIPS AND THAT, SO THERE'S JUST A CONSTANT FLOW AND NOWHERE FOR IT TO GO. ONCE YOU HIT JOHN MARSHALL, YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STUCK BECAUSE IT'S JUST A STEADY STEAM STREAM OF TRAFFIC. THANK YOU. THANK GUYS LISTENING TO ALL OF OUR COMMENTS AND CONCERNS. THANK YOU RICK NOVAK. HI, I'M RICK NOVAK. UH, I, UM, OWN THE BOWLING CENTER THAT KIND OF ABUTS THIS AREA A LITTLE BIT AT FOUR 30 REMOUNT ROAD. AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APARTMENTS. UH, APARTMENTS ARE VERY NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY AND UH, I MEAN, I OWN LOTS OF APARTMENTS IN TOWN, SEVERAL APARTMENTS ANYWAY. AND, UH, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH DEMAND FOR APARTMENTS AND QUALITY APARTMENTS AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE GONNA BE NEW SO THERE'LL BE QUALITY. SO I JUST AM HERE TO SAY, I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. NOVAK. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING? GOOD. HI, MY NAME IS FAYE CAMPBELL. I AM THE MANAGING MEMBER OF BARON AND BARRY INVESTMENTS. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY MY PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. UM, MY ENGINEER HAD AN EMERGENCY, HE'S RUNNING LATE AND HE WAS PREPARED TO SPEAK. I AM NOT PREPARED AT ALL. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UM, IN THE VDOT COMMENTS FOR THE UPGRADES AND APPROVALS TO THE ROAD. WE HAD DONE A PROPOSAL AND SENT IT OVER, BUT I WAS ASKED TO PRESENT IT TO YOU TONIGHT. UM, FOR THE SIGNAGE AND THE CONTINUOUS GREEN TEE SHOWN IN THE EXHIBIT PROVIDED BY THE VDOT ON ROYAL LANE ON JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY. UH, THE PROPOSAL IS, IS THAT, UM, I WOULD TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE $34,000 TO PAY TO HAVE THAT DONE, WHICH WOULD BE A TOWN EXPENSE IF THE TOWN WAS TO DO IT THEMSELVES. AND IT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT AS WELL TO GIVE THE PREVIOUS SHOWN EXTENSION TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, ACCESS TO THE TOWN IF THEY FURTHER WISH TO DEVELOP THE ROAD OUT TO REMOUNT ROAD. UM, PERSONALLY, I LIVE AND RESIDE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY AND I'M FULLY AWARE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ON JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY. AND, AND I DO KNOW THAT IT IS A PROBLEM. UM, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT THE [00:35:01] PROPERTIES ACTUALLY ZONE COMMERCIAL. SO IF I WAS TO PUT A WAREHOUSE BACK THERE, TRUCKS TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING WOULD BE MORE THAN WHAT AN OWNERSHIP OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BACK THERE. SOMEONE COMING AND GOING. I THINK THE APARTMENTS WOULD BE THE LESSER OF THE TWO EVILS IN MY PERSONAL OPINION. AND HOUSING IS A MUCH NEEDED THING HERE. UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, WE, WE PLAN TO, TO MAKE THESE NICE AND EASILY ACCESS TO 66 AND, AND ALL OF THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO ADD TO THE ACTUAL APPLICATION IS THAT WE ARE WILLING TO TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY, UM, THE $34,000 FOR THE STRIPING AND CONTINUANCE THAT'S NEEDED. AND I HOPE THAT YOU CONSIDER MY APPLICATION FOR THE GOOD OF EVERYONE. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. SO, SO YOU SPOKE ACTUALLY DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS FINE. UM, IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS TOPIC, I'M GONNA ACTUALLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW I WAS SUPPOSED TO SPEAK BECAUSE NO, NO, NO. YOU, MR. R IS NOT AN EMERGENCY. YOU'RE TOTALLY FINE, NO, I KNOW. AND I, I HAVE A FEELING THAT YOUR ENGINEER'S NOT HERE, BUT I, I HAVE TO. SO I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN, UM, AT THIS TIME WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO IS COUNSEL MIGHT ASK THE APPLICANT SOME QUESTIONS. SO WE'RE, I'M, WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU SOME, IF HE COMES IN AND THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE NEED, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. MR. WOODS. I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER. I KNOW. AND IT, AND IT'S OKAY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. 'CAUSE I, I WAS WONDERING WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY ASK THE APPLICANT SOME QUESTIONS. WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED? MR. SONIC, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? WELL, THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT, SO NO, I, SHE CLOSED. I CLOSED. OH, YOU, I'M HEARING SO NOW, DIDN'T I, I, I, I THOUGHT I BANGED OUT. YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD. SORRY. WE'RE NOW MEANT TO BE LOUDER. . OKAY. GEORGE STILL HAS SOMETHING FOR YOU. UH, THE SPEAKER'S NOW PRE UH, PRESENTING AS THOUGH AS THE APP. AS THE APP, OKAY. THANK, I APOLOGIZE. NO, YOU, YOU, NO APOLOGY, APOLOGY NECESSARY. WHAT MY QUESTION WAS AROUND, SO TONIGHT THE PROPOSAL HAS COME FORTH AND WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING AS COUNCIL, WHAT COULD WE DO AS A TOWN? VDOT OFFERED UP, I WANT TO SAY MS. KAMINSKY, THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR JOHN MARSHALL. IN ADDITION TO US LOOKING AT THE STRIPING OF RURAL LANE AND RESTRICTION OF SOME, UH, OF A PARKING. I BELIEVE WHEN ROBBIE AND I WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT IT, UM, TAKING AWAY SOME PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE AND STRIPING TWO LANES. SO I THINK MISS NORTH SAID IF YOU'RE MAKING A LEFT HAND TURN LANE, YOU CAN'T GO. RIGHT. THERE WOULD BE TWO INDIVIDUAL TURN LANES. UH, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TODAY IS YOUR COMPANY'S GOING TO PAY FOR THE VDOT PROJECT OF GOING OUT AND, AND MAKING THE LANES SPECIFIC TO TURNING AND PERHAPS RELIEVING SOME OF THAT PRESSURE OF TURNING LEFT OUT OF THERE BY IF, AND I DON'T KNOW I'M USING THE RIGHT TERM, BUT BY MAKING A LEFT HAND TURN AREA INTO WESTBOUND, UM, JOHN MARSHALL. AND THEN ALSO BRINGING, UM, THE FOLKS COMING FROM THE EAST THERE, A, A STRIPED AREA SPECIFICALLY TO TURN INTO THE PROPERTY AND REDUCING THE FLOW GOING EAST INTO ONE SPECIFICALLY. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. YEAH, I WAS LOOKING THROUGH YOU. OKAY. I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE PACKET 'CAUSE I REMEMBER THE PRESENTATIONS FROM VDOT, THEY'RE NOT IN THERE, BUT I YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE COMING FROM LYDON. OKAY. LET'S JUST FROM JAMESTOWN ROAD THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE LIKE A MIDDLE, LIKE A MIDDLE THING THAT WAS GONNA BE STRIPED IN THERE. SO, UM, AND THAT'S THE IDEA, RIGHT? IS THAT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PAY FOR THE COST OF THAT. AND I THINK WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT AT THE WORK SESSION THAT THIS MIGHT BE A, THIS MIGHT BE A TRIAL RUN. LIKE WE MIGHT TRY THAT AND FIND OUT THAT THAT DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T, WASN'T AS NECESSARY AS WE THOUGHT. SO, BUT ANYWAY, COUNCILWOMAN DO, PAYNE DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DO. UM, MY QUESTION, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THOUGH, AM I ALLOWED TO ASK, UM, LIKE GEORGE A QUESTION DURING THIS PERIOD? OR DOES THAT HAVE TO WAIT FOR DISCUSSION? I THINK WELL, SO, UH, I I GUESS YOU CAN ASK IT NOW. USUALLY WE'RE ASKING APPLICANTS, WELL, I'M WONDERING, SHE, SHE'S MADE THIS, THIS OFFER OF MM-HMM . OF PAYING FOR THIS. SO DOES THIS, UM, IS THIS CONSIDERED A PROFFER THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO WRITING OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, BEFORE WE MAKE THE, UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION CONSIDERING THAT, SO THIS [00:40:01] IS NOT A PROFFER, THIS IS NOT A REZONING. THESE ARE CONDITIONAL. SO SHE WAS CONDITIONALLY LIKE SHE WAS JUST OFFERING VOLUNTARILY OF HER OWN LIKE FRUITION TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE TOWN IF THIS IS APPROVED. SO WHEN DOES THAT GET INTO WRITING AND CONSIDER FOR CONSIDERATION? SO YOU WOULD DO IT AS LIKE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. SO THAT WAY WHEN WE ISSUE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THOSE CONDITIONS ARE PLACED ON THERE. SO IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THIS, LIKE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WOULD BE THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD DEDICATE A 60 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE TOWN AT A, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ASK FOR IT. UM, AND THEN YOU WOULD ALSO, I GUESS GEORGE CONDITIONALLY PUT A CONDITION ON THERE THAT THEY WOULD BOND $34,000 FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS, UM, TO RESPOND TO THAT. I DON'T THINK THE BONDING'S NECESSARY, IT'S JUST, IT'S A CONDITION. UM, TO ANSWER, UM, COUNSEL A WOMAN'S QUESTION ABOUT CONDITION. SO TWO ARE BEING VOLUNTARILY OFFERED, BUT YES, THEY'D BE WRITTEN AS CONDITIONS IF THE SUV'S APPROVED, OF COURSE. WOULD WE NOT NEED TO ADD THAT AS A CONDITION IN THE MOTION TO APPROVE IF IT WERE APPROVED AS THE OTHER TWO CONDITIONS ARE LISTED? I, I AGREE AND I HAVE DRAFT LANGUAGE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOES, DOES, WHICH I, WHICH I CAN OFFER NOW OR LATER YOU, LET'S SEE IF STAFF, IF COUNSEL HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. SORRY, . IT'S OKAY. I, I APOLOGIZE. I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT YOUR COLLEAGUE THOUGH, BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL NOT HERE. HOPEFULLY THE EMERGENCY IS NOT DEVASTATING EMERGENCY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNSEL FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, I KNOW WE'VE, WELL, AND ONE POINT OF INFORMATION, UM, THIS CONDITION THAT'S BEEN VOLUNTARY OFFERED IS IN LIEU OF TWO ENTRANCES AND EXITS FROM THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. SO IT CHANGES THE ORIGINAL DRAFT DRAWING OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT AT OUR WORK SESSIONS, UM, TO HAVE LESS IMPROVEMENTS AT THE END OF THE ROAD. BUT MY QUESTION FOR STAFF IS, WHEN THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING WAS BUILT AT THE END OF THE ROAD, UM, IS THAT BUILT TO THE TOWN CODE FOR REQUIRED PARKING SPACES FOR THREE COMMERCIAL SPACES TO BE IN THAT MIXED OFFICE? I HAVE NOT CHECKED THEIR ZONING CLEARANCE. UM, BUT I CAN CHECK THAT. YEAH, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I MEAN, AS WE'VE CONTINUED TO HEAR ABOUT THE PARKING ON THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT BEING A CONTINUAL ISSUE AND THE PARKING LOT BEING FULL, IT MAKES ME WONDER, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE REQUIRED TO BE WITHIN THE TOWN CODE FOR THREE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES TO OPERATE OUT OF THERE. UM, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, UM, AND I THINK THIS IS FOR STAFF. UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT IS AN SUP FOR MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS AND AN OFFICE BUILDING, BUT AT ONE POINT IN ONE OF OUR WORK SESSIONS, IT WAS PROPOSED TO COUNSEL THAT THE APPLICANT WAS ACTUALLY CONSIDERING CHANGING THIS TO OWNER OCCUPIED CONDOS, NOT APARTMENTS. AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TAKING ACTION ON TONIGHT, BUT AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS WITH THIS SUP, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SPEAK TONIGHT ABOUT IT BEING APARTMENTS, BUT IT ACTUALLY MAY BE OWNER OCCUPIED CONDOS, WHICH WOULD BE SOLD. UM, AT WHAT POINT WOULD THAT COME BACK TO COUNCIL OR WOULD IT NOT? THAT WOULD NOT SO THE CONDOMINIUM, UM, ISSUE THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S AN OWNERSHIP ISSUE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LAND USE ISSUE. SO, BUT THE ZONING FOR THAT IS, IS FINE IF THIS SUP FOR APARTMENTS WERE TO GO THROUGH. YEP. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. AND THEN JUST ANOTHER POINT OF INFORMATION, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ARE DIFFERENT FOR WAREHOUSING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE IT'S NOT INDUSTRIAL USE BACK THERE, IT'S COMMERCIAL. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. ANY, ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT BEFORE I, BEFORE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR? UM, I KNOW THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY TOTALLY PERTAIN, UH, TO THE SUBJECT MATTER, HOWEVER, IS THERE, THIS TAKES OFF, IS THERE ADDITIONAL PLANS FOR EXPANSION? I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND. WELL, I PLAN TO BUILD THREE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. YOU, YOU PLAN TO BUILD THREE, BUT IF, IF, UH, IT'S SUCCESSFUL, DO YOU HAVE ANY FUTURE [00:45:01] PLANS FOR EXPANSION? I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S SPACE THERE, UM, TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL BUILDING OKAY. TO DO ANY ADDITIONAL EXPANSION. OKAY. SO NO WOULD BE THE ANSWER FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY TO COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT. SO THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT SHE CAN HAVE IS CAPPED BY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT. 36 WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM THAT SHE COULD FIT ON THERE. OKAY, THANK YOU. IF NO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. UM, BUT I'M GONNA ASK MR. SONNETT IF YOU CAN, UM, SHARE THAT DRAFT LANGUAGE, IF THAT, IF COUNCIL SO CHOOSES. RIGHT, RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, SO LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED MOTION, UM, NUMBER TWO, I WOULD SUGGEST A COMMA AFTER REVISED EXHIBIT, UM, TO BE DEDICATED UPON THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE SPECIAL USE AND ACCEPTANCE BY THE TOWN. AND THEN, UM, A CONDITION TO ADDRESS THE LANE MARKING AND SO ON WOULD BE NUMBER THREE. FUND THE MARKING AND SIGNAGE FOR THE CONTINUOUS GREEN T AS SHOWN IN THE EXHIBIT PROVIDED BY VDOT, NOT TO EXCEED 34,000. MR. MR. SHAUNA, DO YOU HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE? I DO. , DID YOU NOT PASS? THINK EVERYBODY WAS TRYING TO NOTES, BUT THAT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN, THAN 50 ACRE OF SHORTHAND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS I COUNSEL ON, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME. OKAY, MADAM MAYOR, UM, IN FURTHERANCE OF THE, UM, PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES CONTAINED IN TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH ONE B, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO BARON AND BARRY INVESTMENTS. LLCS SUBMITTED BY PEN ASSOCIATES FOR MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT HOUSES CONTAINING 36 UNITS AND THREE SEPARATE APARTMENT HOUSES, PARDON ME, CONTAINING 12 UNITS EACH. AND AN OFFICE BUILDING ON A VACANT PARTIAL OFF OF RURAL LANE IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP TWO ZERO A ONE SEVEN DASH ONE DASH 14 B ONE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, NUMBER ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, PRIVACY FENCING OR PRIVACY SCREENING AS DEFINED IN 1 75 DASH THREE OF THE TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE BE INSTALLED TO ISOLATE THE PROPERTY FROM THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. NUMBER TWO, DEDICATE 60 FEET RIGHT OF WAY ROYAL LANE EXTENSION TO THE SOUTHERN END OF THE PROPERTY AS SHOWN ON THE REVISED EXHIBIT TO BE DEDICATED UPON THE COM COMMENCEMENT, COMMENCEMENT, COMMENCEMENT OF THE SPECIAL USE AND AN ACCEPTANCE BY THE TOWN NUMBER THREE, FUND THE MARKING AND SIGNAGE. FOUR, FOUR, WHAT WAS THAT? THEY CAN'T READ HIS HANDWRITING. . THE CONTINU. THE, THE, THE CONTINUOUS THE CONTINUANCE. GREEN TEA, GREEN TEA AS SHOWN IN THE EXHIBIT PROVIDED BY VDOT, NOT TO BE EX NOT TO EXCEED $34,000. MS. PRESLEY, I'M ASSUMING YOU'LL NEED THAT FOR YOUR MINUTES. . OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S A SEC. GIMME A SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY, SO I'LL MAKE A SECOND SO WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION SO THE MOTION DOESN'T DIE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. NOW IT'S TIME FOR DISCUSSION. SO COUNSEL, MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE TO REUSE MY, REUSE MYSELF AND VOTING ON THIS 'CAUSE PART OF THIS IS IN YOU GOING TO INVOLVE SOME OF MY FAMILY. OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBERS, [00:50:01] THIS IS A TIME FOR DISCUSSION. ANY, ANY DISCUSSION NECESSARY OR ANYBODY? UM, YEAH, MADAM MAYOR, I'D JUST LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT TWO, UH, TWO COMPELLING POINTS, UH, EACH OF WHICH ARE ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF, UH, GONNA BE OPPOSITE SIDES OF DISCUSSION HERE. UH, ONE POINT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, NONE OF, AT LEAST IN MY, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, I, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING PROPOSED TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC SITUATION ON RURAL AVENUE. I SEE TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS FOR GOING ON ROUTE 55, BUT AS FAR AS TRAFFIC ITSELF ON RURAL LANE, I HAVE YET TO SEE ANYTHING THAT I, THAT I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE ISSUE. IN FACT, YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA CAUSE MORE TRAFFIC. HOWEVER, ON THE OTHER HAND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAD, YOU KNOW, AFTER, AFTER LOOKING AT THIS MULTIPLE TIMES AND IT FINALLY SUNK IN MY HEAD AND THE APPLICANT BROUGHT THIS POINT UP, UH, DURING HER DISCUSSION, IS THAT THIS IS INDEED ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL. SO IF THERE WERE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BUILT BESIDES APARTMENTS THERE, UM, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING BUILT BY RIGHT THERE, UH, THAT COULD HAVE EQUAL IMPLICATIONS ON THE TRAFFIC ON RURAL AVENUE LANE. RURAL LANE, SORRY, LANE. YEAH, SORRY, I I I'LL LOOK AT RURAL AVENUE A LOT MORE THAN I DO RURAL LANE . UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT THIS IS AN SUP FOR THIS USE, BUT IF, IF, IF THIS APPLICANT WASN'T COMING THROUGH FOR THIS SUP, ANY COMMERCIAL BUSINESS CORRECT? COULD ESTABLISH THERE, THEY DON'T COME BEFORE US FOR AN SUUP, CORRECT? THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE MADAM MAYOR. YES. AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COMMERCIAL IS, WITH A LOT OF TRAFFIC, THERE WOULD BE TRAFFIC AND WE WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO CONTROL THAT ANYWAY. YES, THAT'S CORRECT, MADAM MAYOR. THAT'S THE POINT THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S AWARE OF, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, STATED CLEARLY IN THAT, IN THE APPLICATION, CLEARLY ON THE ZONING MAP. UH, I, I JUST WANNA BRING THAT POINT TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION. OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NO OTHER, GO AHEAD. OKAY, I'LL GO. OH YES, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. LET'S, UH, LET MR. WOOD GO FIRST. NO COUNCILMAN RAP BEFORE YOU STARTED. GO . ALRIGHT. UH, I, I CAN APPRECIATE THE, THE, WHAT, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO DO. WE DO NEED APARTMENTS FOR SURE. UM, HOWEVER, WHAT CONCERNS ME IS A COUPLE OF THINGS. UH, CURRENTLY, UH, WE HAVE SOME SERIOUS TRAFFIC BACK BACKUPS AND IN THE MORNING, IN CERTAIN TIMES DURING THE DAY. THANK YOU. BLESS YOU. UH, AND ALLUDING TO, UH, COUNCILMAN INGRAM'S POINT THAT, UH, AS FAR AS THE EFFORTS OF VDOT, UH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S GONNA DO ANYTHING TO ALLEVIATE THAT, UH, EFFORT. AND THERE'S SOME OTHER OTHER POINTS, UH, THAT CONCERN ME. UH, NOT SO MUCH ABOUT, UH, YOUR, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLANS. IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY AND IT'S NOT GETTING BETTER. AND THAT TRAFFIC SITUATION THAT THE FOUR LANE HIGHWAY RUNNING TO ESA LANE, IF YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS, IS AT THE COUNTY LINE, HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR LIKE OVER 20 YEARS, PROBABLY 25, AND THERE'S NO MONEY TO DO IT. THE PROBLEM IS, IS WE'VE HAD OTHER DEVELOPMENT COMING OFF LEACH'S RUN, UH, PARKWAY. WE'VE HAD, UH, SOMETHING CALLED THE HERITAGE, UH, OVER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF JOHN MARSHALL. AND, UH, THERE'S SCHOOLS OUT THAT WAY. THE NUMBERS INDICATE THAT, UM, OUR AVERAGE, AVERAGE ANNUAL DAILY TRAFFIC BETWEEN 2014 AND 2023 HAS INCREASED 17%, [00:55:01] UH, FROM 12,000 VEHICLES PER DAY TO 14,000 VEHICLES PER DAY. AND THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, THE AVERAGE ANNUAL WEEKDAY TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED 27% IN THAT SAME TIMEFRAME FROM 13,000 VEHICLES PER DAY TO 16,000 VEHICLES PER DAY. SO THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH THIS, BECAUSE THERE'S NO SECONDARY ROAD, AND BY THE WAY, EVEN IF WE WERE TO TRY TO PUT A ROAD IN AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GIVE US THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGING EFFORT AND PROBABLY A VERY COSTLY EFFORT, UH, TO THE TAXPAYERS. UH, SO THOSE, MY SAFETY IS MY CONCERN. I DON'T WANT TO SEE PEOPLE PLAYING FROGGER TRYING TO GET OUT OF THERE. UH, AND I'M NOT SO SURE THAT THE STRIPINGS GOING TO DO IT. UM, THEY DID SHOW SOME ISLANDS IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING AND THERE, THERE COULD BE SOME, SOME BLIND AREAS, ESPECIALLY WHEN BIG TRUCKS COME THROUGH AND I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, UH, DURING LEAF, PEOPLE SEE . UH, SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. UM, SAFETY NUMBER ONE, IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF CHEMICAL LEAK AND FIRE TRUCKS CAN'T GET UP THAT WAY. UH, FOR SOME REASON AN ACCIDENT. THERE'S NO SECOND SECONDARY EXIT. I LIVE, I LIVED IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS, AND I CAN TELL YOU I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN DEVELOPMENT GO TO THESE DEAD ENDS AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A PRETTY THING ON TRAFFIC BACKUPS ALL THE TIME. SO, UH, THAT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MY CONCERNS. I'M, I'M A STRAIGHT SHOOTER, UM, FRANK ABOUT THINGS. ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS THAT. AND, UH, I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE THAT WITH YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WOOD. I BELIEVE YOU WANTED TO SPEAK NEXT. WELL, I, UH, HAVE, UH, WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC WORK SKY HERE TONIGHT ALONG WITH BJ, WHO BEFORE, UM, BEFORE JOE MR. PETTY JOINED US, WE DISCUSSED THIS. UM, ROBBIE AND I DROVE OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT ROW LANE. ROBBIE AND I DROVE OFF OF, UH, REMOUNT ROAD UP THE COW PATH, UH, AROUND THE SUBSTATION THAT, UH, TO MR. COUNCILMAN, RAPID POINT, UH, POINT, UM, THAT WOULD TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO CONTINUE RURAL LANE OVER TO REMOUNT, UH, MONEY WE DON'T HAVE. UM, AND IT, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S RIGHT TO TRY TO SAY THIS APPLICANT OF, OF ANY OTHER APPLICANTS SHOULD PAY FOR THAT. UH, THEY'RE GONNA ADD TRAFFIC, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY OWN THE LAND, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE RIGHT TO DO WITH IT. THEY'RE ASKING TO BUILD APARTMENTS, POSSIBLY CONDOS INSTEAD OF, UM, RETAIL. BUT I, I'M PUTTING YOU GUYS ON THE SPOT. WEREN'T WE PLANNING TO GO AHEAD AND STRIPE ROLLING WITH THE CENTER LINE AND A LEFT HAND TURN AND A RIGHT HAND TURN? YES. EVERYBODY SEE MM-HMM . OKAY, SO THE TOWN'S GOING TO TRY THAT. IT'S A A PRETTY LOW COST PROBLEM. WE KNOW THAT THE ISSUES EXIST WITH RURAL LANE AND THE TRAFFIC ESPECIALLY, UH, WITH THE CARS PARKED ON THE EAST SIDE, MAKING ROOM FOR TWO DEDICATED LANES, PEOPLE GOING LEFT, PEOPLE GOING RIGHT? SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TRYING IN A LOW COST EFFORT TO FIX THE SITUATION, BUT IT IS A TOWN'S ISSUE. IT'S NOT THE APPLICANT'S ISSUE. UM, THE TOWN THROUGH PLANNING, THROUGH PAST WHATEVER, ALLOWED THIS TO BE A, A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S NOT TWO WAYS IN AND OUT. UM, WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET FOR THIS, NOR DO I SUSPECT FUTURE COUNCILS WILL SEE THIS UNLESS THERE'S A TRAGEDY. AND THEN ALL LET'S BUILD A ROAD. SO NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH [01:00:01] THAT. NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE STRIPING OF THE ROAD, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THESE, BUT THE DELINEATORS, UM, COULD ACTUALLY BE PUT OUT ON 55 AND DELINEATORS THE PLASTIC THING. YOU SEE 'EM GOING DOWN 66. THAT GIVES YOU A VISUAL OF WHERE YOUR LANES ARE AND WHERE YOUR LANES ARE NOT. I THINK A COMBINATION OF STRIPING AND DELINEATORS AND BUY EXTRAS BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GET MOWED DOWN UNTIL PEOPLE LEARN A TRAFFIC PATTERN. I THINK THAT THAT VISUAL WILL HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND GOING OUT OF TOWN, THERE'S ONE LANE, THERE'S A THROUGH LANE, THERE'S NOT TWO LANES. AND ALSO COMING INTO TOWN, THE TURN LANE THAT'S DESIGNATED TO TURN INTO THERE AND FOR THEM TO COME OUT INTO THE MIDDLE LANE AND THEN MERGE INTO THE TRAFFIC. UM, TO THE APPLICANT'S POINT, CAN THEY BUILD OTHER THINGS THERE? THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN, AND I WOULD SUSPECT THAT THEY WOULD BUILD THAT. UM, MR. NOVAK MENTIONED WE NEED HOUSING. UM, WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN ALL KINDS OF CONDITIONS HERE THAT APARTMENTS OR PERHAPS CONDOMINIUMS, UH, WOULD CERTAINLY HELP FIX THAT PROBLEM. UM, WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UH, YOU CAN'T PUT IT ON THE APPLICANT TO TELL YOU TONIGHT, WELL, I'M GONNA RENT IT FOR 300 OR 3000. UM, THEY'RE GOING TO RENT IT FOR WHATEVER THE MARKET ALLOWS. UM, AND THAT'S NOTHING, UH, FOR OR AGAINST THEM. I THINK THAT WE'RE MISSING A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO ADD TO OUR HOUSING STOCK, UM, AND WHILE WE'RE BLAMING THE APPLICANT FOR A SITUATION THAT ALREADY EXISTS. SO, THANK YOU. UM, ANYBODY ELSE? MADAM MAYOR, I HADN'T INTENDED TO SPEAK. WE HAVE A LENGTHY AGENDA AND I DIDN'T WANNA ADD TO IT, BUT, UM, UNFORTUNATELY I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN VIEWED BY MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND A MAJORITY OF THE CONSTITUENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY IS ANTI-DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS IRONIC BECAUSE AS WE SIT HERE AND REVIEW THIS TONIGHT, TO A DEGREE I AM ANTI-DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO, UM, PRICE PEOPLE LIKE ME AND MY FAMILY OUT OF FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY AND BECOME A BEDROOM COMMUNITY TO WASHINGTON, DC AND THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T APPRECIATE THE BEAUTY OF FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY. HOWEVER, OWNER-OCCUPIED CONDOMINIUMS, I'M A HUGE FAN OF. UM, WE HAVE NONE OF THOSE AT ALL IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO HAVE A SENSE OF OWNERSHIP WHILE ALSO TAKING PRIDE IN IT. SO YOU'RE LEAST LESS LIKELY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE OUTDOOR OR THE INDOOR ROCKING CHAIR SITTING ON THEIR OUTDOOR PATIO AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, I WOULD RATHER SEE 36 APARTMENTS TUCKED AWAY ON A STREET THAT WAS ALREADY INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING 15 YEARS AGO THAN TO SEE 36, $600,000 HOMES THAT PEOPLE THAT WORK AND LIVE HERE CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE FACT THAT THE PERSON WHO'S GONNA MANAGE THE PROJECT IS ALSO LOCAL, SPEAKS VOLUMES TO THE WORK THAT THEY'LL DO IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND IT'S ALSO UNLIKE ANY PROJECT THAT'S BEEN BEFORE THIS COUNCIL, BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES ARE INVOLVING FUNDING FROM VHDA AND THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A NEED FOR. BUT AS I'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY, MANY TIMES DURING MY TENURE ON COUNCIL, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY FOR SECTION EIGHT HOUSING. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR TEACHERS, OUR, UM, RESIDENT DOCTORS AT THE HOSPITAL, OUR FIRE AND RESCUE, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY TO RENT FROM ANY OF THE OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN TOWN. BUT THEN THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH TO RENT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S GOING FOR THREE TO $5,000 A MONTH IN FRONT ROYAL RIGHT NOW. UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT IS ZONED COMMERCIAL, WHICH MEANS A STRIP MALL COULD GO THERE, A GROCERY STORE COULD GO THERE. UM, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS COULD GO THERE THAT WOULD CAUSE FAR MORE TRIPS. AND TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUES ON ROYAL LANE AND JOHN MARSHALL, THEY EXIST. I LIVE OFF OF JOHN MARSHALL. IT'S A HUGE PAIN AND INCONVENIENCE. I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S BLAMING THE APPLICANT. I THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY FORWARD, UM, SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I THINK ANY IMPROVEMENTS ARE AN IMPROVEMENT AT THIS POINT. AND, UM, ALSO TO TALK TO, LIKE THE LEAF PEOPLE TRAFFIC, ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN FRONT ROYAL KNOWS YOU STAY HOME THAT WEEKEND OR YOU WALK. UM, I LOVE LEAF SEASON, BUT I ALSO LOVE IT WHEN THEY LEAVE. UM, SO I, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S CENTRAL LOCATION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE THAT GIVES PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO WALK [01:05:01] TO THE GROCERY STORE, WALK TO THE BOWLING ALLEY, WALK DOWNTOWN, RIDE THEIR BIKE ACCESSIBILITY WALKABILITY. UM, SO LIKE I SAID, I'D MUCH RATHER SEE 36 NICE QUALITY APARTMENTS OR CONDOMINIUMS TUCKED AWAY AT THE END OF A ROAD THAN 36, $600,000 HOMES ON AGRICULTURAL LAND. UM, AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO OFFER TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE CONDITIONS, BUT THEY COULD COMMERCIALLY DEVELOP IT WITH NO CONDITIONS. YOU KNOW, IT SPEAKS A LOT TO, UM, THE CHARACTER AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT SOLELY FOR PROFIT. GET AS MANY AS WE CAN MAKE A BUNCH OF MONEY AND GET OUT OF FRONT ROYAL BECAUSE WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS AND WE DO HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS AND IT IS THIS GOVERNING BODIES, UM, DUTY TO ADDRESS IT. AND I LIKE THIS OPTION MORE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER ONES THAT HAVE BEEN ANTI-DEVELOPMENT ONE. OKAY. ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WISH TO SPEAK? NO, I, THIS HAS, I I JUST, TWO THINGS. ONE STAFF IS GONNA LOOK INTO THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE NEARBY WITH PARKING. HOWEVER, IF THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING THERE FOR THEIR THREE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, UM, THEY CAN PARK ON THE TOWN STREET BECAUSE IT'S A TOWN STREET. IT'S NOT, IT'S PUBLIC. SO ANYBODY COULD PARK ON THAT SIDE. SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE REALLY CAN DO ABOUT THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE. HOWEVER, THOUGH, WHERE THERE ARE NO PARKING SIGNS, WE KNOW THERE'S FIVE CARS THERE THAT CONSISTENTLY PARK THE SAME CARS EVERY DAY. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO MAKE, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF TONIGHT, WE NEED THE, IF THERE'S NO PARKING SIGNS THERE AND FIVE PEOPLE ARE PARKING THERE EVERY DAY, WE GOTTA MAKE, WE GOTTA MAKE A MOVE THAT, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT, WE GOTTA ENFORCE THAT. WE EITHER GOTTA, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WARNINGS WOULD BE NICE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT SAYS NO PARKING. I MEAN, I KNOW MY LIKE GO IN SOME OTHER TOWN AND PARK WHERE IT SAYS NO PARKING, YOU'RE GETTING TOWED. SO, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, A WARNING WOULD BE NICE TO LET 'EM KNOW, HEY LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THIS, BUT AFTER, YOU KNOW, AFTER A WARNING, THAT'S FIVE CARS THAT WOULDN'T BE THERE. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE RIGHT WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN ROYAL LANE TO COME INTO JOHN MARSHALL. SO THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE, NOT QUITE AS TIGHT. LIKE I SAID, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL DECIDES TO DO TONIGHT, IF IT SAYS NO PARKING THERE, IT SHOULD BE NO PARKING THERE. AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT EVERY WORK SESSION. I JUST DON'T THINK WE'VE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE BIT THE BULLET AND SAID IT'S, IT'S GOTTA HAPPEN. SO REGARDLESS TONIGHT, THAT THAT REGARDLESS, THAT'S GOTTA HAPPEN. IF IT'S NO PARKING, THEY SHOULDN'T BE PARKING THERE. AND MAYBE THAT'LL HELP, UM, REDUCE SOME OF THE, THE BOTTLENECK, UM, AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF TONIGHT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, THERE'S EMOTION ON THE FLOOR. MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL OR DO, DO WE NEED TO REVIEW THE MAYOR? MAY I? YES. MM-HMM . JUST SAY, I SAW A A GENTLEMAN WALK IN, DON'T KNOW IF HE'S THE MISSING. WE CAN'T HE THE MISSING PERSON. YEAH, BUT WE, WE, WE ALREADY WENT INTO DISCUSSION, SO YEP. NO, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IF THERE WAS ANY QUESTIONS AMONGST COUNSEL BEFORE THEY NOTICED FOR STAFF THAT HE COULD ANSWER I ALL WALKER. NO, I UNDERSTAND. UM, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE ALL GOOD. IS EVERYBODY READY FOR A ROLL CALL? OKAY. MS. PRESLEY. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR ENTAL? YES. COUNCILMAN LOC ABSTAIN. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? NO. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. [7.B. Special Use Permit Application Submitted by Heritage Hall XIII, LLC for the Expansion of the Existing Skilled Nursing Facility at 400 W. Strasburg Road] UM, UP ITEM SEVEN B IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY HERITAGE HALL EIGHT LLC FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING SKILLED NURSING HOME FACILITY AT 400 WEST STRASSBURG ROAD. THE SUMMARY IS COUNSEL HAS RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM HERITAGE HALL, A LLC FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING SKILLED NURSING FACILITY BUILDING WITH A NEW BUILDING ADDITION FOR 20 BEDS AND ASSOCIATED FACILITIES LOCATED AT 400 WEST CHARLESBURG ROAD IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP TWO OH A ONE ONE SECTION FOUR, LOT 23, AND ZONED R TWO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE SUP WITH NO CONDITIONS. THE CURRENT USE OF THE PROPERTY AS A NURSING HOME IS LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING. THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED ENLARGEMENT OF THE BUILDING OR EXTENSION TO OCCUPY A GREATER AREA OF LAND THAN WAS ORIGINALLY PERMITTED REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. TOWN COUNCIL APPROVED THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN IN [01:10:01] 1985 WHEN I GRADUATED, AND A ZONING PERMIT WAS ISSUED IN JANUARY, 1986 INDICATING THAT IT WAS APPROVED VIA A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO, MS. PRESLEY, UM, I'M GONNA, IS STAFF WANT, DOES STAFF HAVE ANY, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED TO TELL US OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COUNSEL WANTS TO ASK YOU BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO I THINK ALL THE INFORMATION WE'VE HAD FROM THE WORK SESSION, REMEMBER IT IS, AND WE ARE THI THIS PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MS. PRESLEY, HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE HAVE ONE. BETTY HUDSON. MY NAME IS BETTY HUDSON. I LIVE AT 3 77 WEST DUCK STREET, UH, FRONT ROYAL, AND I LIVE DIRECTLY BEHIND HERITAGE HALL NURSING HOME. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE, UH, STORM WATER DRAINING DOWN ON MY PROPERTY. I HAVE A TERRIBLE TIME WITH IT NOW. IT FLOODS MY PROPERTY. IF WE GET A, A HARD RAIN AND EVERYTHING AND I'M AFRAID WITH MORE CONCRETE AND BUILDINGS, I'M GONNA GET EVEN MORE WATER DOWN THROUGH THERE. AND I DON'T WHETHER YOU CAN SEE IT. I HAVE SOME PICTURES OF THE WATER, BUT I I CAN PASS IT DOWN IF YOU'D LIKE. UH, OKAY. CA COUNSEL MIGHT PASS THIS DOWN. EVERYBODY. I, I'VE BEEN THERE AND SEEN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I JUST MM-HMM . LAST, LAST SPRING AT WORKS. THE ROAD OUT THE REBUILD . OKAY. I'LL PASS THE DOWN AND WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU AT THE END. IS THERE ANYBODY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO USE YOUR THREE MINUTES OF SPEAKING FOR? IS THERE ANY ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SAY? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING'S DONE THAT, THAT I DON'T GET ANY MORE WATER. I COME THROUGH THERE BECAUSE IF I GET ANY MORE, IT COULD BE UP IN MY HOUSE. AND WHEN, UH, WHEN THEY FIRST BUILT THE NURSING HOME, IT HAD A, A BIG, UM, GALVANIZED PIPE UP BY THE GROUND AND ONE OF THE, THE, UH, LOWER PLACES, BUT THAT PIPE IS GONE NOW. IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. THAT'S THE RETENTION UPON OUT FRONT, RIGHT? WHAT? WELL, WE'RE GONNA LET HER FINISH AND THEN WE'LL ASK STAFF TO DO OKAY. HE, HE'LL ASK LATER. THIS IS YOUR THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN IF, IF HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL ASK WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DONE. NO, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MS. HUDSON. MM-HMM . IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS, UH, THIS TOPIC? NO ONE. OKAY. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL THERE. ANYBODY? I THINK WE MADAM MAYOR, IN FURTHER INTO THE PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES CONTAINED IN TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH ONE BI MOVE THAT COUNCIL APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR HERITAGE HALL LLC FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING NONCONFORMING USE FOR OF A, FOR A SKILLED NURSING FACILITY BUILDING WITH A NEW BUILDING FOR 20 BEDS AND ASSOCIATED FACILITIES LOCATED AT 400 WEST STRASSBURG ROAD IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP 20 A ONE ONE SECTION FOUR, LOT 23 WITH NO CONDITIONS. SECOND. OKAY, THERES A MOTION A SECOND. AND NOW WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION. COUN UH, COUNCILMAN, UM, OG DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT? NO, I WAS JUST MAKING A STATEMENT. I THOUGHT THAT THE, UM, I GO OUT THERE A LOT. SO IT'S, UM, UM, THERE'S STILL A RETENTION POND DOWN IN THE FRONT, CORRECT? I THINK THESE GENTLEMEN ARE FROM HERITAGE'S. WHAT? I'M LOOKING, WHO IS, UH, OKAY. MADAM MAYOR. YES. SO AT THE WORK SESSION, I, I DID MENTION THIS, BUT, UM, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TELL THE PUBLIC THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH, BUT THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION OF IT. SO TONIGHT WE'RE AT A PLACE WHERE WE, WE HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE HERE AT CHARLES'S ALREADY THERE, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, AND, UH, I DID LOOK AT THE RATINGS AGAIN FOR THE NURSING HOME, AND I DO SEE THAT THEIR, THEIR RATINGS HAVE GONE UP EXCEPT FOR STAFFING, WHICH REMAINS MY CONCERN. UM, AND [01:15:01] NOW WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT, I MEAN, AS, AS THE, THE, UM, EXPERT CONGRESSWOMAN TOLD ME, I MEAN, CONGRESSWOMAN PUT YOU UP, COUNCILWOMAN PUT UP, AS SHE MENTIONED, UM, DURING THE WORK SESSION. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT OUR ROLE TO, TO TELL HOW YOU DO A BUSINESS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, BECAUSE THE NEXT TIME THAT THIS COMES FORWARD, IT DOESN'T COME TO COUNCIL, IT GOES TO THE, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO FOR ALL THE EARS, IF NOW WE CHO CHOOSE TO EXPAND AFTER THIS LEVEL, PLEASE, BEFORE YOU PUT, UM, PUT PEOPLE IN IT, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE STAFFING OR MAKE SURE YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT A PLAN FOR GETTING, UH, IN THE WORKFORCE PIPELINE FOR STAFFING. BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS WAREHOUSE PEOPLE. AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TURN INTO IF WE CONTINUE TO PUT PEOPLE IN BUILDINGS. SO THEY'VE GOT A ONE RATING ON THE MEDICAID. I KNOW. SO DO WE HAVE, I WAS GONNA SAY, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS SUP? DID YOU WANNA I JUST WANNA SAY I GO TO HERITAGE. I HAVE FAMILY OUT THERE AND I SEE STAFF EVERYWHERE. UM, I MEAN, YOU WALK INTO PLACE, IT'S CLEAN, IT'S, YEAH, THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE SEEM HAPPY. UM, AND I, I MAYBE THERE IS STAFFING ISSUES, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A STAFFING ISSUE. SO I JUST WANNA REMIND COUNSEL. MAYOR, I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE SUBJECT. THAT'S WHY I WAS CALLING. I HAVE THE FLOOR. UM, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT, THAT WHAT IS BEFORE US TONIGHT IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION, UM, TO, UH, FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING NONCONFORMING USE FOR A SKILLED NURSING FACILITY. AND I ONLY SHARE THAT BECAUSE, UM, IT'S, IT'S OUR DUTY TO LOOK AT THE APPLICATION AND, AND HOW THEY RUN THEIR BUSINESS IS CERTAINLY, UM, IS, WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. AND AS, AS COUNCILWOMAN DE DOMENICO PAYNE SAID IS IF, IF INDEED THERE IS AN EXPANSION OF THIS EXISTING USE, UM, THEY WOULD COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. AND SO THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. SO ANY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT? I, I HAVE A QUESTION. MM-HMM . FOR PLANNING AND ZONING, IF I MAY? MM-HMM . THANK YOU. MAYOR. UM, WAS THERE, WAS THERE, I SEEM TO RECALL THAT THERE WAS A PICTORIAL, UH, IN OUR WORK SESSION REGARDING THE CONTOUR OF THE, OF THE, OF THE LAND. MM-HMM . RUNNING BACK TOWARD DUCK STREET. IT, AM I MISTAKEN? NO. SO YOU WERE LOOKING AT, UM, I THINK WE PROVIDED MAYBE A TOPOGRAPHIC, UH, MAP FROM THE GIS, UM MM-HMM . SO THE, THERE'S ESSENTIALLY A, WHERE THE WHAT OR THE RETENTION POND IS. THERE'S A RAVINE THAT THEN RUNS BACK INTO DUCK STREET, BUT WHEN, JUST AT THE FIRST GLANCE, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE'S ALMOST ABOUT 50 ACRES INCLUDING, UM, WHAT'S, I GUESS, SOUTH OF S STRASSBURG ROAD THAT IS JUST RUNNING RIGHT INTO DUCK STREET. SO THERE'S A LARGER DRAINAGE PROBLEM THAN JUST HERITAGE HALL. UM, BUT IT'S BEEN, IT'S JUST BEEN DEVELOPED A LITTLE TOO DENSELY OVER THE YEARS. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. KAMINSKI. CAN I JUST ASK COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT, WERE YOU DONE? OH, YEAH. THE, WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE, I WAS LOOKING FOR THE, WHETHER THE CONTOUR OF THE LAND WAS RUNNING, UH, EAST OR WEST. IT'S TECHNICALLY RUNNING NORTH TO THE RIVER. SO IT'S BASICALLY IT'S RUNNING NORTH. YEAH, IT'S PERPENDICULAR TO, UM, THE, THE FACILITY. SO, UM, SORRY, IT'S THE FACILITY'S FACING SOUTHWARD. UM, THE RAVINE IS KIND OF GOING TO THE, UH, NORTHWEST, RUNNING INTO DUCK STREET. IT'S RUNNING NORTHWEST, YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE RETENTION POND DOES NOT HOLD WATER. OKAY. COUNCIL HAS WATER IN IT. COUNCILMAN WOOD. I BELIEVE IT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY. OH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE DRAWING HERE. FROM THE PROPOSED ADDITION, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WILL BE A RETENTION POND OUT NEXT TO 55. IS THAT, YES. SO THERE'S CURRENTLY A RETENTION POND, AND THAT EXPANSION WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW. THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP, BUT, UM, THEY WILL NEED TO UPGRADE OR THEY'LL NEED TO SHOW HOW THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE STORM WATER ON SITE. AND ANY ADDITION IS GONNA CREATE THE NEED FOR THEM TO EXAMINE THAT [01:20:01] AND PROBABLY ENLARGE OR AUGMENT THE EXISTING FACILITY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL ON THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION? UH, ONE, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION. UH, MAYOR MM-HMM . UM, AS FAR AS THE RETENTION, THE EXISTING RETENTION POND, UH, THAT'S A COUNTY ISSUE, CORRECT? THAT'S ENS OR THE, THE TOWN? DOES THE THE TOWN MONITOR THE RETENTION POND? THAT DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A STORMWATER, UM, AGREEMENT WHETHER OR NOT THE REGULATOR, THE REGULATOR IS WORKING. CORRECT. SO, OKAY. I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH HERITAGE HALL, BUT I CAN FIND OUT THAT THAT WAS MY ONLY, YEAH. UM, COMMENT, MADAM MAYOR WAS TO MS. HUDSON, UM, THAT EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL, UM, IS MONITORED BY THE COUNTY IN CONJUNCTION WITH DEQ. SO, UM, I GUESS LAUREN'S GONNA LOOK INTO IT TO PROVIDE US WITH ANSWERS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT SHE WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN FROM THE COUNTY AS WELL. AND IF THERE'S ANY IMPROVEMENTS DONE TO THE PROPERTY, WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE COUNTY'S ENS GO BACK OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SATISFIED. AND IF IT'S CURRENTLY NOT UP TO CODE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO IT, AND THAT WOULD BE OVERSEEN BY THE COUNTY WHO'S THEN OVERSEEN BY DEQ ON A STATE LEVEL. UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HEARD HER CONCERNS. AND I DON'T THINK THIS PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY WAS THE ONE WHEN COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TOPOGRAPHY MAP THAT YOU SHOWED US AT ONE OF THE WORK SESSIONS. IT SHOWED THAT THE STORM WATER RUNOFF FROM THIS PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY IS ACTUALLY GOING NOT TOWARDS THE ADDRESS THAT SHE PROVIDED TO US AT ANOTHER MEETING. IT'S GOING TOWARDS A DIFFERENT PART OF DUCK STREET. WHILE IT IS DRAINING, IT'S JUST NOT DIRECTLY TOWARDS HER RESIDENCE, SO TO SPEAK. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION THAT COUNSEL? OKAY. YEP. ALL. SO WE'RE READY FOR, UM, A VOTE. MS. PRESLEY. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN LOC? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. ITEM [7.C. Special Exception Submitted by Rappahannock HC LLC to Reduce the Required Minimum Street Pavement Width for Marshall’s Glen – 1321 Happy Creek Road] SEVEN C, WHICH IS OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION SUBMITTED BY HANOCK, UM, H-C-L-L-C TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED MEDIA MINIMUM STREET PAVEMENT WIDTH FOR MARSHALLS GLEN AT 1321 HAPPY CREEK ROAD. THE SUMMARY IS SHORT AND SWEET COUNSEL HAS RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION PURSUANT TO TOWN CODE 1 48 DASH TWO 11. TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED MINIMUM STREET PAVEMENT WIDTH FROM 36 FEET TO 29 FEET FROM MARSHALLS GLEN FROM HANOCK H-C-L-L-C. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH NO CONDITIONS PURSUANT TO TOWN CODE. SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS MAY BE GRANTED BY TOWN COUNCIL. UM, I'M GOING TO, I DON'T, IS THERE STAFF? I DON'T THINK YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONES, YEAH. JUST, JUST A REAL QUICK, I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE GOOD JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT WHAT STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER FOR US. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO LEMME GET TO THIS ONE. ALRIGHT, SO THIS WAS THE 42 ACRE PROPERTY THAT YOU REZONED BACK, I THINK IN DECEMBER OF 2024. AUGUST. AUGUST, SORRY. AUGUST. UM, OKAY. SO THEY'RE REQUESTING UNDER 1 48 TO 11, A REDUCTION OF ROAD WIDTH FROM 36 FEET DOWN TO 29 FEET. THIS WAS IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC CONCERNS ABOUT SPEEDING AND SAFETY ON ODIN STREET AND THROUGHOUT THE EXISTING HABBIT CREEK KNOLLS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SORRY, LET ME GET TO, OKAY, SO OUR REQUIREMENT AGAIN IS THE 36 FEET VDO T'S REQUIREMENT, UM, IS 24 FEET WITH PARKING ON ONE SIDE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE EXCEEDING THAT BY FIVE FEET. UM, SO THEY WOULD HAVE SUFFICIENT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE OFF STREET PARKING, TYPICALLY FOR ABOUT SIX, FOUR TO SIX VEHICLES, UH, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE. AND THEN THEY WOULD, UM, YOU'D HAVE ONE SIDE ON STREET PARKING. I THINK IT TOTALS OUT TO SIX TO EIGHT SPOTS PER UNIT. UM, THE TOWN CODE PROVIDES THE CONSIDERATIONS, UH, FOR YOU IN THIS INSTANCE. BUT BASICALLY WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS, YOU WANNA LOOK [01:25:01] AT, UM, THE HEALTH SAFETY, GENERAL WELFARE PLANNING LITERATURE SUPPORTS THAT, THAT ANYTIME YOU NARROW THE STREETS, THEY'RE GONNA BE SAFER. UM, CONSIDERATION THAT ADEQUATE PROVISIONS ARE PROVIDED TO ENSURE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE OF PUBLIC AND SHARED PRIVATE FACILITIES. SO WITH THIS REDUCTION IN WIDTH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE ACRE LESS OF PAVED SURFACES. SO, UM, AS THE TOWN HAS TO REPLACE THAT EVERY 10 TO 15 YEARS, THAT'S AN ACRE LESS OF PAVEMENT THAT WE NEED TO MILL AND, AND PAY FOR, UM, DOWN THE ROAD. UM, AND THEN THE DESIGN EMPHASIS ON THE PRINCIPLES OF TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN. UH, THESE ARE LIKE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, THESE ARE INTERCONNECTED LOCAL STREETS. THIS IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN OUR, AND IN THE, UM, SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. SO WITH THIS ONE, THEY ACCOMPLISH THAT BY TYING INTO ODIN RIDGE AND THEN COMING OFF OF HAPPY. SO NOW YOU'LL HAVE BASICALLY A ROUNDABOUT ACCESS FROM HAPPY CREEK TO, UM, LE RUN PARKWAY THROUGH THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND THEN THE CONSERVATION OF ONSITE NATURAL FEATURES. SO IN A, IT PROTECTS THE, THE STORM WATER RUNOFF BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT LARGER LOTS BASICALLY. SO THERE'S MORE GRASSY AREA, LESS PERMEABLE, OR SORRY, PAVED SURFACES, UM, FOR WATER TO RUN OFF ONTO. SO, AND THEN PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL IS AS QUICK AS I CAN MAKE IT. OKAY. DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, MS. KAMINSKY, UH, THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR UM, 104. FOUR, SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT FOUR FOR? UM, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 104 UNITS WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THE CONCEPT PLAN. I THINK IT CAME IN AROUND 95 OR 96 I THINK. SO WE'RE DOWN. WE'RE DOWN. YEAH. THEY, THEY LOST A FEW LOTS I THINK MOSTLY 'CAUSE OF TOPOGRAPHY. SO THIS ISN'T REDUCING, THE STREET WIDTH IS NOT GOING TO ADD HOUSES TO IT? NO, IT'S GONNA HAVE LARGER LOTS, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA ADD ADDITIONAL UNITS. AND OUR SUBDIVISION PLAN CALLS FOR SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREETS. AND THE ONE WALKING. YES. SO THERE WOULD STILL BE SIDEWALKS, IT'D STILL BE WALKABLE. UM, IT'S JUST NARROWING THAT STREET DOWN FROM 36 DOWN TO 29 FEET. THANK YOU. , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, NO. I ASKED THIS AT THE WORK SESSION, BUT I DON'T RECALL IF YOU KNEW HOW MUCH MONEY THE DEVELOPER WILL SAVE BY LESSENING THE SIZE OF THE STREETS. DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY SAVE. I THINK WHEN WE CALCULATE IT UP WITH OUR COSTS, LIKE RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'D BE LIKE A $31,000 SAVINGS IF I DID THE MATH RIGHT. SO IT'D BE FAIR TO SAY THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE SAVING AT LEAST THE SAME AMOUNT. YEAH. AND THAT WAS JUST IN THE MATERIAL COST. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ACTUAL LIKE WORK OR SORRY, THE, YOU KNOW, THE LABOR COSTS. RIGHT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THOUGH, FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT OVER TIME, OVER TIME THE TOWN WILL, I WON'T SAY SAVE MONEY, BUT WON'T HAVE TO PUT OUT AS MUCH MONEY FOR REPAVING THE, YOU KNOW, REPLACING NO. THE STREET SHE STAFF SAID WE WILL SAVE MONEY. MY, I ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS NOT HERE FOR THE AUGUST 20, 24 PUBLIC HEARING. I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND I KNOW THE PROFFERS WERE A BIG QUESTION MARK FOR ME. AND SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS AT HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL MONEY THIS WAS SAVING THE DEVELOPERS THAT COULD PERHAPS BE PUT TO SOMETHING THAT THEY CHOSE TO DO IN THE COMMUNITY, WILLINGLY, VOLUNTARILY. UM, AND THE ONLY REASON, UM, I WAS ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE THEY KNEW ALL ALONG THEY WEREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO DEVELOP 104 HOMES THERE. I WAS THERE FOR THE WORK SESSIONS AND ALL ALONG IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE HIGH EIGHTIES ONCE THEY PUT IN THE CURB AND GUTTER SIDEWALKS BROUGHT THE STREETS UP TO CODE AND ALL OF THAT. SO. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. DID YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING HEARING? OH, I'M SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. I'M SO, I'M SORRY. LET ME, I'M SORRY. I'M OPENING UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE HAVE THREE. OH, OKAY. WILLIAM DAWSON. GOOD THING WE HELLO. I'M WILLIAM DAWSON. I LIVE AT 1212 ODEN STREET. I WOULD LIKE TO START BY SAYING THANK YOU TO RAPPAHANNOCK LLC FOR HEARING AND LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS. NOW, IF WE CAN GET THE TOWN TO DO THE SAME, MAYBE WE COULD STEP, TAKE A STEP TOWARDS PROGRESS. THE TOWN NEEDS TO BE MORE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE. WHAT I MEAN BY THIS IS LET'S NOT WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO GET KILLED ON OUR STREET, ODIN STREET LIKE THEY DID ON SHANANDOAH AVENUE BEFORE CHANGES ARE IMPLEMENTED TO CURB THE SPEED WITH THE CHANGES THAT RAPPAHANNOCK LLC ARE MAKING TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THE TOWN IS ENCOURAGED TO TAKE NOTICE [01:30:01] AND INSTEAD OF DOING A STUDY COMMITTEE MEETING OR OTHERWISE PROLONGING THE PROGRESS, YOU SHOULD START A SAFETY FOR THE CHILDREN INITIATIVE BECAUSE THESE, THE KIDS ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BE IMPACTED THE MOST BY ADDING, BY ADDING THE PRICE FOR SPEED HUMPS OR SPEED TABLES ON THE PROFFERS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONTRIBUTED BY THE DEVELOPER. ALSO INCREASED TOWN'S REVENUE BY START ADDING ADDITIONAL 200 FI $200 FINES TO THE SPEED ZONES LIKE THEY DO OUT IN, UH, WARRENTON. UH, ALSO GET THE POLICE TO STOP MAN IN THE FAVORITE SPOTS THAT ARE WELL KNOWN SUCH AS LEACH RUN HAPPY CREEK 55 BY THE CHURCH AND IN FRONT OF TWO FAT BUTCHERS AND BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITIES. LET'S STOP WITH THE FEW MILES OVER THE RULE AND GET STRICTER WITH OUR SPEED ENFORCEMENT. IN THE VIDEO I WATCHED LAST WEEK AT YOUR, OR A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AT YOUR WORK SESSION, THERE WAS MORE TALK ABOUT CONTROL PARKING ON THE SIDE OF THE STREETS AND HOW FIRE TRUCKS AND SUVS WILL FIT DOWN THE NARROW STREETS. WHEN THIS WOULD BE REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S DONE ON MAIN STREET AND CLOUD STREET FOR THE FIRETRUCK, YOU SHORT STACK THE FIRETRUCK. ANY FIREFIGHTER WHO DRIVES THE TRUCK SHOULD ALREADY KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. AS VEHICLES DO NOT TYPICALLY GET WIDER BECAUSE OF THE LANES THEY DO GET LONGER. SO THE REAL CONCERNS SHOULD BE PARKING FROM THE CORNERS. SO VEHICLES WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE TURNS IN ANY SITUATION IN THE DEVELOPMENT. SO NO PARKING SO CLOSE TO THE CORNER, THE FIRE TRUCK CAN MAKE THE TURNS WE'RE GOOD TO GO. UH, ALSO INCREASED FINES FOR PARKING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE STREET. AS DISCUSSED EARLIER, YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE PARKING ON OTHER STREETS THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF. SO WHY AREN'T THESE GETTING FINED? THEN THE FINES GO BACK TO THE TOWN. NOW WE CAN HAVE SPEED HUMP, SPEED TABLES AND DO STUFF. WE DON'T HAVE MONEY. HERE'S YOUR WAY TO MAKE MONEY, UH, BY ADDING THE $200 ADDITIONAL FINE IN THE COMMUNITIES. ANYBODY CALLED SPEEDING THAT MONEY NOW GOES TO THE TOWN. I HEARD BEFORE, UH, SOME OF THE MEMBERS SAYING ON THEIR OWN STREETS, THEY GET TO SPEED IN AND YOU HAVE CONCERNS WHERE YOU LIVE. WELL, HERE WE GO. HERE'S THE MONEY. LET'S START PUTTING SPEED TABLES IN. UH, BUT NONE OF THIS WILL MATTER WITHOUT OUR POLICE IN THE COMMUNITY. UNLIKE WHAT I HEARD FROM THE OFFICER AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, THERE WAS NOTHING HE COULD DO WHEN SOMEONE SPED, UH, THROUGH THE SCHOOL ZONE THAT HE WAS STAFFING. BUT HE HAD COULD, HE COULD HAVE TAKEN THE SAME APPROACH THAT I WAS. IS THAT MY TIME? IT IS. I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHRISTINE DAWSON. . THERE YOU GO. CAN IT? YEP. YES I CAN. VERY INTERRUPTING. OKAY, SO TO FINISH MY HUSBAND'S UM, STATEMENT, I'M CHRISTINE DAWSON, BY THE WAY, 1212 AVENUE STREET. UM, SO HE WAS TOLD WHEN HE CALLED THE POLICE DUE TO THE SPEEDING ON THE STREET BY OUR LOCAL NEIGHBORS, HE WAS TOLD TO TAKE A PICTURE OF THE VEHICLE, IDENTIFY THE AND THE PERSON DRIVING, GET THE PLATE NUMBERS, IDENTIFY THE PERSON DRIVING, AND THEN HEAD TO THE MAGISTRATE TO ISSUE A WARRANT FOR IT TO BE HANDLED FROM THERE. THIS WAS THE OFFICER THAT RESPONDED TO THE CALL, UM, AT THE POLICE STATION FOR THE RESIDENCE AT 1218 ODIN STREET. BUT LET'S NOT FORGET OUR NEIGHBORS AT 1209 AND 1213, WHO ALSO ENJOY A GOOD CRUISE DOWN THE STREET GOING FASTER THAN THEY SHOULD BE. UM, IT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THE HOMEOWNER, BUT IT COULD BE OTHER OCCUPANTS OR THE VISITORS, THEIR ADULT CHILDREN ARE THERE NOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM, BUT BEFORE YOU SAY GO TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, WE PREFER NOT TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THEIR IGNORANCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN DIS ALREADY BEEN DISPLAYED BY DRI THEIR DRIVING BEHAVIORS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY APPEALING THE COUNCIL TO HAVE THESE REOCCURRING ISSUES ADDRESSED BEFORE WE ADD MORE RESIDENTS TO THE AREA. LET'S CALL THIS APPROACH THAT WE ARE HERE TODAY, CONFLICT RESOLUTION BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVES, IF, IF ONE OF OUR CHILDREN ARE HIT BY A SPEEDING VEHICLE, IT WOULD ADD TO THE LAWSUITS SO THAT THE TOWN ALREADY HAS ADDRESSING AND IF POSSIBLE TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THOSE AWARE OF THE ISSUES BUT NOT AND BUT NEGLECTING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT AS THE TOWN SHOULD LOSE THEIR IMMUNITY IF THEY HAVE ANY. MOVING ON TO MY PART, GOOD EVENING. AS MY THIRD PUBLIC HEARING TO VOICE MY CONCERNS. I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF. WHILE SPEAKING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGREED THAT THERE IS AN ONGOING ISSUE ON MANY OF THE WIDER STREETS WITHIN THE TOWN PERIMETER. BUT IT WASN'T A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION FOR THAT SESSION AND IT WOULD BE REFERRED TO THE COUNCIL FOR MITIGATION AFTER, AFTER THAT SPECIFIC HEARING, ANOTHER SPEAKER AND MYSELF BOTH SPOKE WITH CHRIS WHO IS HERE TODAY AND HE AGREED THAT IF THE TOWN WOULD'VE LET HIM, HE WOULD BE WILLING TO [01:35:01] ADD THE SPEED TABLES TO EIGHT IN OUR STREET. SINCE HE KNOWS THAT THE PROBLEM ONLY GROWS AS WE ADD TO THE POPULATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. FROM THE DOCUMENTS SHOWN TODAY FROM THE DOCUMENTS SHOWN THAT DAY, AND AGAIN HERE TODAY, THERE WERE ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO 11 CARS PER HOUSEHOLD DEPENDING ON THE PARKING SITUATION, WHICH MEANS THAT OUR STREET WOULD GREATLY BE IMPACTED AS IT WILL ONLY TO AS IT IS THE ONLY ACCESS POINT TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT DOES NOT HAVE A TURN RESTRICTION. THIS MEANS THAT THE AVERAGE OF 30 CARS PER DAY THAT OUR CURRENTLY THE ISSUE WILL INCREASE TO A MINIMUM OF 580 CARS AND THIS IMPACT WILL BE SIGNIFICANT TO THAT STREET. REMEMBER, IT ONLY TAKES ONE SPEEDING CAR AND A LITTLE BAD WEATHER FOR A TRAGEDY TO TAKE PLACE AS A LIFELONG RESIDENT TAXPAYER. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, MOTHER, I URGE EVERYONE HERE TODAY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AND LET ROB HANOCK LLC INSTALL THE SPEED TABLES AS PART OF THE FIRST PERMIT REQUESTED TO ENSURE THAT CHANGES ARE MADE. AND IF POSSIBLE LET'S LEAN ON THEIR GENEROSITY TO SEE IF THEY'LL ADD A FEW MORE TO ELL STREET AS THEY WILL BE GREATLY IMPACTED AS WELL. ADDITIONALLY, THE TOWN SHOULD LOOK AT ODIN STREET AND ELL STREET AS A FOUR-WAY STOP. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. YOU DID GOOD. YOU GOT ONE AND A HALF IN THERE, RIGHT? , ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? I BELIEVE YOU SAID THERE WAS A THIRD PERSON, RIGHT? MARTIN WIN WINE. WINE . I'M MARTIN WINE. I LIVE AT 1210 ODIN STREET. THE DEVELOPER HAS REQUESTED ALONG WITH THE NARROW OF THE STREET TO PUT IN SPEED TABLES. I THINK HE'S ALSO WILLING TO ADD SPEED TABLES TO THE EXISTING PART OF ODIN STREET WITH SOME COOPERATION FROM THE TOWN WHEN THEY COME OUT OF DEVELOPING THIS PART OF ODIN STREET AS A STRAIGHT SHOT RED TO LEACH FROM PARKWAY. I WALK LEERO PARKWAY QUITE REGULARLY SINCE I'VE BEEN UP HERE SIX YEARS. WE GOT NEVER, IT TAKES ME AN HOUR. I'VE NEVER WALKED THAT PARKWAY WITHOUT SEEING AT LEAST ONE POLICEMAN. WE GOT STRIPES, WE GOT STOP SIGNS, WE GOT THE SPEED CAMERAS. THE TRAFFIC ONLY SLOWS DOWN WHEN HE SEES THAT POLICE CAR WHEN HE GOES THROUGH THAT CAMERA, WHICH IS ON PART OF THE DAY. WALK THE PARKWAY FACING TRAFFIC. THEY GOT A NICE BICYCLE LANE THERE. PEOPLE GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BICYCLE LANE, HIT THE CURB, JUMP THE CURVE. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THIS TRAFFIC'S GOING TO DO TO ODIN STREET. NOT ONLY THE KIDS, WE GOT PROBABLY 12 SENIOR CITIZENS THAT'S GOTTA WALK IN STREETS, GOTTA BACK INTO THAT ROAD DEVELOPER. IT SEEMS LIKE HE IS TRYING TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT BY EVERYBODY. AND I THINK IF HE'S GOING TO GET HIS NARROW STREETS, WE GET OUR SPEED BUMPS. AND MAYBE THIS WOULD CONTINUE THROUGH THE Y'ALL'S NEIGHBORHOODS TOO, IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER TO HELP Y'ALL. 'CAUSE I KNOW THE STREETS MOST OF Y'ALL LIVE ON EXCEPT MISS C. LIKE HE GOT A NICE QUIET STREET, YOU KNOW, . THANK Y'ALL. ALRIGHT MARTY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? SO HOLD ON ONE SECOND THERE. ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SO YOU'RE THE APPLICANT, SO I I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN THE JUST, WE DID IT DIFFERENTLY BEFORE 'CAUSE THE PERSON STOOD UP DURING THAT TIME. SO IF THERE'S NOBODY ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DOES THE APPLICANT, UM, I IF, IF WE HAD ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU OR FEEL FREE TO SHARE WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY, MADAM MAYOR, BEFORE THERE'S A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT FOR THE POINT OF INFORMATION. ACCORDING TO ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, CAN WE ADDRESS THAT? SPEED TABLES FROM THE APPLICANT HAVE NEVER BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THIS COUNCIL. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'VE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE TOWN'S PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR, BUT THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PRESENTED TO THIS COUNCIL, WHICH IS WHY I BROUGHT UP THE FACT OF HOW MUCH MONEY THEY WOULD SAVE BY CHANGING AND LESSENING THE SIZE OF THE ROADS. WAS THAT PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT SPEED TABLES? THEY WERE IN THAT TRAFFIC CALMING PLAN AND I THOUGHT WE HAD MENTIONED THEM IN OUR PRESENTATION, BUT I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE WORK SESSION. SO I I JUST WANNA SAY BEFORE, BEFORE IT WAS PRESENTED THIS APPLICATION, THIS WHAT IS IN FRONT OF COUNSEL TONIGHT IS ABOUT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED MINIMUM STREET PAVEMENT WITH, UM, TO 29 FEET. AND I, AND I DO REALIZE THAT THERE WAS OTHER COMMENTS MADE DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS PORTION, BUT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT IS ABOUT REDUCING, UM, THE, THE REQUIRED, UH, STREET PAVEMENT. THE THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT CAME UP WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION, RIGHT? SO WE WOULD REVIEW THOSE, [01:40:01] LIKE IF YOU WANNA DO THE STREET OR THE, THE SPEED TABLES, THAT WOULD BE, WE WOULD REVIEW THAT DURING SPEED. I JUST WANTED TO ENSURE BEFORE A PRESENTATION WAS GIVEN AND ANY MISINFORMATION CONTINUED THAT THE PUBLIC, THE STAFF, THOSE WATCHING FROM HOME, THE PRESS HERE TONIGHT KNOWS THAT SPEED TABLES ARE NOT WHAT WERE TAKING ACTION ON AND THEY HAD NOT BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL. THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. HI, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRIS HORN. I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF RAP DEVELOPMENT GROUP. UM, AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION, WE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC CALLING PLAN THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE A CONDITION OF THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WHICH I BELIEVE SHOWS 12 SPEED TABLES IN OUR DEVELOPMENT. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WASN'T PRESENTED OR DISCUSSED, BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS SHOWS. IT SHOWS THREE-WAY STOPS AT ALL OF OUR INTERSECTIONS SHOWS NARROWER STREETS, IT SHOWS SPEED TABLES. SO, UM, IT'S IN THERE. UH, WHETHER IT WAS PRESENTED BY STAFF OR DISCUSSED DURING YOUR MEETING, I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING TO DO IN EXCHANGE FOR AS A CONDITION OF A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. UM, YOU CAN SEE THEM IN WHITE ON THAT DRAWING. UM, IF I CAN POINT 'EM OUT OVER HERE, ABSOLUTELY. UM, THEY'RE LABELED AS RAISED CROSSWALKS. HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE AND HERE AND HERE THROUGHOUT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO MOVING, UH, MOVING ON FROM THAT, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS. UM, WHEN WE WERE HERE DURING THE REZONING, THERE WERE TWO MAJOR COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM CITIZENS AND CONCERNS FROM TOWN COUNCIL. ONE WAS EXISTING DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WERE OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY. UM, PRIMARILY DRAINAGE COMING FROM ODIN RIDGE THAT WAS DRAINING ONTO THIS PROPERTY, THAT WAS CREATING SOME FLOODING HAZARDS THROUGH PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS. WORKING WITH TOWN STAFF AND OUR ENGINEERS, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME REDESIGNING HOW WE ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED THIS PROJECT, INCLUDING PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACES THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT TO HELP TRANSITION THE SLOPE AS YOU WENT THROUGH THE PROJECT. AND INCREASING THE SIZE OF OUR STORMWATER FACILITY TO HELP WITH THAT DRAINAGE PROBLEM. ALL OF THESE AREAS HERE WERE INTENDED TO HAVE LOTS THAT WE'VE ELIMINATED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE STORM WATER. SO IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE STORM WATER ISSUE, WE COULD HAVE FREE FLOWED THAT AND PICKED UP A FEW MORE LOTS. WE WOULD'VE GONE FROM 97 TO PROBABLY 102. SO WE HAD ONLY LOST ABOUT TWO LOTS. SO IT WAS THE INTENT TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT ADDRESSED THAT CONCERN. THE OTHER WAS THE SPEEDING, WHICH IS WHY WE SUBMITTED THIS TRAFFIC CALLING PLAN TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT. UM, ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE PROJECT AS TO WHY WE WERE SEEING SPEEDING IS THAT MANY OF THE STREETS IN THE AREA ARE VERY WIDE AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY STRAIGHT AND IN MANY CASES, LONG DOWNHILLS. UM, THE NUMBER ONE THING RECOMMENDED BY TRAFFIC PLANNERS TO REDUCE SPEEDS IS TO DECREASE THE WIDTH OF THE ROADWAYS. NOW IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A PERCEIVED WIDTH OF THE ROADWAY AND AN ACTUAL WIDTH OF THE ROADWAY. UM, THE PERCEIVED WIDTH IS BECAUSE THIS 36 FOOT, UH, FOOT WIDE SECTION ALLOWS FOR PARKING ON BOTH SIDES, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT BEING UTILIZED. SO IT LOOKS LIKE A FREEWAY. IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THIS PICTURE HERE OF M BODEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO PARKING ON AN AVERAGE DAY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD DURING THE DAY. IT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO DRIVE FASTER BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN GO FASTER, THEY FEEL SAFER. UM, WE ALREADY WENT OVER THAT. JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT A ROAD LIKE THIS, UH, WITH A 36 FOOT WIDE STREET SECTION HAS PARKING ON EITHER SIDE SEVEN FEET WITH A 22 FOOT TRAVEL LANE. UM, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE'VE DONE IN SPOTSYLVANIA THAT IS A 29 FOOT ROADWAY LIKE WE'RE PROPOSING WITH PARKING ON ONE SIDE. AGAIN, IT'S A 22 FOOT TRAVEL LANE, IT JUST HAS PARKING ON ONE SIDE, SO WE'RE NOT REDUCING THE WIDTH OF THE ACTUAL LANES. WE'RE ELIMINATING PARKING ON ONE SIDE. NOW, WHEN YOU'RE REDUCING THOSE LANES, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TAKE IT FROM 36 TO 29 AND YOU DO IT IN THE WAY WE'VE DESIGNED, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE LONG STRAIGHTAWAYS, THE IMPACT IS THE, THE VISUAL APPEARANCE OF THE ROADWAYS, YOU'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE TRAFFIC SPEED WITHOUT IMPACTING EMERGENCY VEHICLES OR, UM, MAKING IT UNSAFE AND TOO NARROW, UH, OF A ROADWAY. SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE SAME ROADWAY YOU WOULD HAVE ON A 36 FOOT WIDE JUST WITH PARKING ON ONE SIDE. UM, THE MAIN REASON, AND THIS IS JUST AN ILLUSTRATION OF THAT, THIS IS A 24 FOOT RIDE ROAD THAT VDOT WOULD ALLOW WITH A 17 FOOT TRAVEL WAY. UM, THIS IS PERMITTED FOR TRAFFIC BELOW 2000 VEHICLES PER DAY. I BELIEVE THAT WARREN COUNTY'S CODE DEFAULTS TO VDOT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THIS SECTION ON A SUBDIVISION STREET WITH UNDER 2000 VEHICLES PER DAY. UM, THIS IS A 36 FOOT WIDE ROADWAY WITH, YOU CAN SEE THE SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH HAS THAT SAME 7 22 AND SEVEN. AND THEN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, [01:45:01] WHICH IS JUST SIMPLY ELIMINATING THE PARKING ON ONE SIDE. SO IT WOULD BE 22 AND SEVEN, SAME WIDTH, BUT, UM, WITHOUT THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING. ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT ODIN RIDGE AND HAPPY CREEK KNOLLS THAT HAS ACCOMMODATIONS FOR PARKING ON BOTH SIDES, BASED ON OUR CALCULATION AROUND 5% OF THAT PARKING CAPACITY IS BEING USED. UM, IT'S NOT NEEDED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE, ON THE ROADS, ON ON ANY DAY YOU GO OUT THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF AVAILABLE SPACE ON THE STREETS. UM, THIS IS THE WOODBURY MANOR PROJECT WE DID IN SPOTSYLVANIA. SAME KIND OF DESIGN PARKING ON ONE SIDE. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT REALLY TIGHT, UM, ROADS THAT YOU HAVE TO NAVIGATE, BUT IT DOES HAVE THE IMPACT OF HELPING TO REDUCE, UH, THE SPEED THROUGH THERE FROM A PARKING STANDPOINT. UM, PARKING IS NOT REQUIRED TO MEET PARKING CODE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRIVEWAYS WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE GARAGES, YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE UP TO 582 SPACES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT WOULD BE SIX CARS PER LOT. WE'RE NOT SAYING THERE WILL BE SIX CARS PER LOT, I'M JUST SAYING WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH SPACE THAT YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE A LARGE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ON EACH LOT WITHOUT HAVING TO USE STREET PARKING. IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A 36 FOOT WIDE PARKWAY, WE COULD ACCOMMODATE 1050 PARKING SPACES, WHICH WOULD BE ALMOST 11 SPACES PER LOT. JUST SIMPLY NOT NEEDED. UM, IT'S A WASTE OF EXTRA SPACE. AND I, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE VDOT ALLOCATION THAT YOU GET FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IS BASED ON LANE MILEAGE. YOU DON'T GET ANY MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING PARKING ON THE STREET. SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE YOU MORE MONEY BECAUSE THE ROAD IS 36 FEET WIDE BECAUSE THAT PARKING DOESN'T COUNT IN THE VDOT ALLOCATION OF, OF FUNDING. UM, FOR ONE SIDE ROADWAY, YOU STILL HAVE ABOUT 8.6 SPACES PER LOT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. WE DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT PARKING, BUT IT CAN ACCOMMODATE FAR MORE THAN WILL EVER BE NEEDED WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A SUMMARY THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, JUST LOOKING AT HOW MUCH PAVEMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND, UM, SUMMARIZING THE TOTAL SPACES PROVIDED. UM, AS FAR AS COST SAVINGS ON THE ROADWAY, UM, THERE IS A COST SAVINGS, BUT WE ARE PUTTING IN ALL OF THE DRAINAGE, WE'RE PUTTING IN ALL THE CURB, WE'RE PUTTING IN ALL THE BASE STONE FOR THE PROJECT, WE'RE DOING ALL THE GRADING FOR THE PROJECT. THE ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT WOULD HAVE SOME SAVINGS, BUT WE'RE ALSO BUILDING MORE DRIVEWAY. WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY ON SPEED TABLES. WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY ON TRAFFIC, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. WE REALLY DON'T SEE IT AS A SAVINGS. WE SEE IT AS A WAY TO REDUCE THE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE COSTS, REDUCE THE STORMWATER RUNOFF THAT COMES FROM IT, AND INCREASE THE OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. AND JUST THE COMMENT ON THE FIRE TRUCKS, AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME ROAD DIMENSION. 22 FEET, OOPS, I'M SORRY, 22 FEET WITH A 36 FOOT WIDE AND A 24 OR 29 FOOT WIDE. SAME SPACE FOR THE A FIRETRUCK TO NAVIGATE THE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR FIRE TRUCKS FOR THE FIRE CODE IS 20 FOOT WIDE TRAVEL LANE. UM, AND IN WARREN COUNTY, THEY ALLOW IT TO FOLLOW THE, THE VDOT STANDARDS, WHICH THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY WIDER THAN. UM, SO UNDER THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS, WE FEEL THAT THE CURRENT CODE ON A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION WITH LARGE LOTS JUST CREATES FAR MORE EXCESS PAVEMENT THAN WHAT'S NEEDED. UM, IT RESULTS IN HIGHER VEHICLE SPEED, INCREASED STORM RUNOFF, A WIDER ROAD PRISM, WHICH MEANS ELSEWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE ROADWAY. LOTS GET STEEPER. WE'VE TRIED VERY HARD TO KEEP ALL SLOPES BELOW A THREE TO ONE SLOPE WITHIN THE PROJECT. UM, SMALLER YARDS AND OPEN SPACE AND HIGHER FUTURE MAINTENANCE COSTS TO THE TOWN. UH, THE 29 FOOT WOULD REDUCE THOSE PAVEMENT AREAS, DECREASE THE STORMWATER RUN STORMWATER RUNOFF, PROVIDE FLATTER SLOPES, LOWER VEHICLE SPEEDS PROVIDE LARGER YARDS AND OPEN SPACE. STILL BE MORE PARKING THAN NEEDED AND THE LANE ONES WOULD REQUIRE, UH, WOULD BE ADEQUATE TO ACCOMMODATE EMERGENCY SERVICE VEHICLES. UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING WE DID TALK ABOUT ADDITIONAL AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE DID TALK ABOUT SPEED, ADDITIONAL SPEED TABLES. UM, WE DID PROVIDE TO STAFF AN EXHIBIT SHOWING AN ADDITIONAL, UM, SPEED TABLE WE'D BE WILLING TO, UH, INSTALL ON ODIN STREET OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY SUBJECT TO TOWN APPROVAL. UM, WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LOCATION THAT WOULD BE, UH, FAVORABLE TO THE TOWN, TOWN STAFF. WE, WE SELECTED AN AREA, BUT UM, DIDN'T WANT TO PRESUME THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT SPOT. UM, BUT IT WOULD IN, IT WOULD INCLUDE IN THAT ONE AREA SORT OF REDUCING THE LANE WIDTH. SO YOU WOULD ELIMINATE, UM, A SMALL AREA OF PARKING. YOU'D PROVIDE A RAISED, UH, CROSSWALK WITH A SPEED TABLE. AND, UM, AND WE WOULD BE WILLING TO INSTALL THAT AS A ADDITIONAL CONDITION IN ADDITION TO THE TRAFFIC CALMING PLAN THAT WE SUBMITTED. UM, AND THAT'S IT FOR MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU ALL FOR MY HOUSE UP. YOU WANNA PUT IT FRONT? THANK YOU, . OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. DOES COUNSEL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UM, IT'S CHRIS, [01:50:01] RIGHT? YES. CHRIS. AND THERE'S TWO CHRIS'S IN THE APPLICATION. WHICH CHRIS ARE YOU AGAIN? IS MOHN OR H-O-R-N-U-N-G? I'M, UH, THE OWNER, DEVELOPER. THE OTHER ONE IS OUR ENGINEER. HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, CHRIS, SO I'M HO HO. SO WHICH ONE ARE YOU? HORNUNG? THAT'S H-O-R-N-U-N-G. OKAY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HORNUNG AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE, UM, THIS IS STILL AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, ANYBODY? OKAY. UM, GO AHEAD. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UH, WELL, SINCE I'M SORRY. SINCE WE'RE TALKING, UH, SPEED TABLES, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, UH, MR. HOING, IF, UH, IF, UH, IF SIGNAGE ARE YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE SIGNAGE THAT WILL STATE, UH, SPEED TABLES AHEAD? YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY ON THE STRAIGHT SHOTS? YES. I KNOW IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY, IT, IT'S A REQUIREMENT, UM, IN THE, UH, SUBDIVISIONS, UH, YES SIR, THEY WOULD BE. AND, AND THE, THE DRAWING SHOWS WHERE THOSE SIGNS GO. BUT YES, THEY WOULD BE ADVANCED SIGNAGE FOR EVERY SPEED TABLE CROSSWALK. AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THESE ARE SPEED TABLES, BUT THEY'RE SPEED, A COMBINATION SPEED TABLE WITH A CROSSWALK, SO RIGHT. AS FAR ASRA RAISED, UH, CROSSWALK. CORRECT. CORRECT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE CALLING, YES. YEAH. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DESIGNED TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN, CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND FULL DISCLOSURE, I JUST WANNA SAY IF WE SEEMED A LITTLE BIT, SO THAT WASN'T BROUGHT UP IN THE WORK SESSION, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU, IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, MEETING, BUT IT WASN'T BROUGHT UP HERE. YES. UM, OR AT LEAST THE PRESENTATION BY STAFF WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS UP THAT WE TALKED, IT WAS PREDOMINANTLY ABOUT THE CHANGING THE WIDTH OF THE STREET, NOT ABOUT THE OTHER PARTS OF THE, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE PLAN. UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU KNEW THAT. SO I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN THINK COUNCIL HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK STAFF ABOUT, UM, THE RAISED CROSSWALKS SPEED TABLES BECAUSE THAT, UM, THAT WILL LIKE, ONCE IT'S IN, THAT INVOLVES STAFF AND SNOW REMOVAL AND ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHEN WE WERE BRINGING THAT UP. I WAS, I IT HADN'T BEEN A CON IT HADN'T BEEN INFORMATION THAT WAS PASSED ON. OH, THAT'S, IN LOOKING THROUGH YOUR APPLICATION AND YOUR LETTER AND ALL THAT STUFF, I SEE A PORTION ON THERE. BUT, UM, I, I FEEL LIKE AT THE WORK SESSION THERE WAS A HEAVY DUTY PRESENTATION ABOUT CHANGING THE WIDTH OF THE STREETS AND PARKING AND, AND ALL THAT STUFF, BUT THERE WASN'T REALLY ANY TALK ABOUT THE OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE WAS I GOTCHA. THE WIDTH OF THE SPEED. OKAY. OR THE WIDTH OF THE STREETS, SO, OKAY. ALRIGHT. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, SO, UM, I WILL, I WILL, UM, OPEN THIS UP TO COUNCIL. MADAM MAYOR, IT'S CLOSED. IT'S BEEN CLOSED, HUH? MADAM MAYOR. I MOVE THAT WE LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, UM, TO ALLOW COUNSEL TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT WITH STAFF, THE APPROPRIATE STAFF TO DISCUSS THE SIGNAGE, TO DISCUSS THE LOCATION AND TO DISCUSS THE MAINTENANCE TO INCLUDE SNOW REMOVAL OF THE RAISED CROSSWALKS. SECOND, NOW THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSION, WE NEED DISCUSSION ON THAT NOTION. NOW THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSION, I WOULD JUST LIKE IT TO BE KNOWN FOR THOSE HERE TONIGHT WHO ARE UNAWARE. UM, ONE OF MY PRIMARY GOALS WHEN I GOT ONTO COUNCIL IN MY FIRST TERM WAS WALKABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY AND SAFETY FOR CHILDREN. UM, I'M A MOTHER OF THREE TEENAGERS WHO RIDE THEIR BIKES IN TOWN, UM, THROUGHOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I ALSO, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, WITNESSED A CHILD BE RAN OVER ON HAPPY CREEK ROAD AND STOPPED TO ADMINISTER HELP UNTIL 9 1 1 COULD ARRIVE. UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, SIDEWALKS, CROSSWALKS HAVE ALL BEEN A HUGE PART OF MY CAMPAIGN AND HOW PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE CAME TO FRUITION BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY THAT COUNCILMAN INGRAM AND, UH, SUPERVISOR COLORS SAT ON AS WELL WAS TO ADDRESS. SO, AND IT WAS THE SEVEN OF US SITTING HERE TODAY THAT IMPLEMENTED, UM, WITH THE BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS, UM, TO MUCH OF THE PUBLIC'S DISMAY, THE, UH, CROSSWALKS AND THE SECURITY CAMERAS DURING THE SCHOOL ZONES. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID NOT GET RECEIVED WITH, UM, POSITIVE FEEDBACK FOR IMPLEMENTING THOSE. HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOTICED A HUGE INCREASE IN THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN, UM, ON WHAT I CALL THE AUTO BONNA FRONT ROYAL LEACH RUN PARKWAY, WHERE [01:55:01] THERE IS A HUGE SPEEDING PROBLEM. AND I JUST LIVED TWO STREETS OVER. SO I'M VERY WELL AWARE. HOWEVER, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE COUNCIL THAT I'M AWARE OF, THE ONLY MEETING I MISSED WAS IN AUGUST OF 2024 WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED. BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT SPEEDING HAS COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL THAT I'M AWARE OF, UM, AS A CONCERN. AND I WILL JUST TELL YOU, I KNOW THAT YOU CALLED IN ON HOW TO REPORT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, BUT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THERE'S SPEEDING AND SUSPICIOUS THINGS HAPPENING, I JUST CALL AND ASK FOR INCREASED PRESENCE. AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL POLICE DEPARTMENT IN MY SIX YEARS OF LIVING IN TOWN HAVE ALWAYS SENT AN OFFICER OUT TO PATROL. WHEN YOU CALL, THEY'LL DRIVE THROUGH. I KNOW THAT DOESN'T HELP FOREVER, BUT IT HELPS SOME WHAT, AND I DO KNOW, UM, WHEN IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE AREAS THAT ARE PATROLLED HEAVIER THAN OTHER AREAS. UNFORTUNATELY, NOT ONLY THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. UM, AND I JUST READ IT IN AN ARTICLE AGAIN THIS WEEK, HAVE REALLY STRUGGLED, AND WE HEARD HERE TONIGHT WAS STAFFING ISSUES. UM, WHICH IS WHY WHEN THE CAR FLEW THROUGH THE SCHOOL ZONE AT RUSTY JEFFRIES, NOTHING COULD BE DONE ABOUT IT BECAUSE DESPITE PAYING A CROSSWALK GUARD AND A POLICE OFFICER, WE'VE REMAINED SHORT STAFFED OF QUALIFIED PATROLMEN. UM, BUT THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE AND CHILDREN SPECIFICALLY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TAKEN LIGHTLY. UM, BEFORE MY TIME ON COUNCIL, WHICH I THINK I'VE PROBABLY BEEN HERE THE LONGEST, ASIDE FROM THE MAYOR ON THE COUNCIL, UH, SOUTH STREET HAD A HUGE INITIATIVE BEFORE MY TIME AFTER THERE WERE DEATHS ON SOUTH STREET. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE TAKE LIGHTLY, AND THAT'S WHY I'M PROPOSING WE SEND THIS BACK TO A WORK SESSION. WE WERE GIVEN A LENGTHY PRESENTATION, BUT NEVER ONCE WERE SPEED TABLES DISCUSSED. AND I KNOW OUT IN VISCO CITY NEAR THE SOCCER COMPLEX, THERE ARE RAISED CROSSWALKS WHICH HAVE HELPED DETER THE SPEEDING GREATLY, UM, AND MADE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SAFER FOR ALL THAT GO THERE, ALL THAT LIVE THERE. UM, HOWEVER, I DO LIKE THE MAYOR MENTIONED, KNOW THAT THERE IS, UM, STAFF INVOLVEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WHEN IT COMES TO SNOW REMOVAL, MAINTENANCE, SIGNAGE AND PLACEMENT OF THESE MAY THE MAYOR. YES. UH, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SNOW REMOVAL WITH REGARD TO SPEED TABLES, IT'S A MISNOMER THAT THEY'RE DAMAGED. UH, I, I HAVE, IF YOU'VE LIVED IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, YOU'VE SEEN SPEED TABLES AND THEY, THEY HAVE 'EM IN FREDERICKSBURG AS WELL. I CAN, UH, UH, THEY HAVE 'EM HERE. WELL, WE HAVE TWO WINCHESTER VALLEY AVENUE. YEAH, YEAH, WE HAVE TWO GO AHEAD COUNCILMAN. AND YOU CAN ALSO HAVE, UH, SPEED TABLES THAT ARE REMOVABLE, LIKE THE DELINEATORS ARE REMOVABLE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS AND, UM, THE, THE KEY BEHIND ALL OF THIS IS WE WANT TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN AND THE POLICE CAN'T. I, I WATCH FROM MY PORCH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST FLYING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD. YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE, YOU CAN'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE. SO THE SPEED TABLES ARE A, A VEHICLE TO SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN. AND, UH, AND WHEN, AND WHEN, UH, GOING TO THE GENTLEMAN'S POINT REGARDING THE, UH, SCHOOLS, UH, THE SCHOOL AREAS, WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT LIGHT'S NOT FLASHING, PEOPLE ARE GETTING IT. OKAY. MM-HMM . UH, SO, UM, IF THEY DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GET A TICKET, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AFRAID. SO I WANT TO, AT THIS POINT, I REALLY DON'T WANNA BRING IT BACK TO A A A A ANOTHER SESSION. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TONIGHT AND MAKE THE PROPOSED MOTION, THE ORIGINAL PROMO PROPOSED MOTION AND LET'S JUST GET ON WITH IT. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR WE YES. OR DO YOU WANNA MAKE THAT PROPOSED MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT SUBSTITUTE MOTION. I'D SECOND THAT. THANK YOU. WELL, I THINK HE HAS TO MAKE IT, AND I'M READING, I'M GONNA READ THE MOTION, WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE A CONDITION FOR SPEED TABLES, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDED IS WHAT WAS SAID AT THE BEGINNING. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS PROPERLY, MS. PRESLEY, HE'S GONNA MAKE THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. [02:00:01] AND THEN ARE WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION'S. WHAT WE THEN CONSIDER THE MOTION WE HAVE ON THE FLOOR IS TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND I WILL ADD, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO RAISED CROSSWALKS OR SPEED TABLES OR REDUCING SPEEDING. WE RECEIVED NEW INFORMATION HERE TONIGHT THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS NEVER SEEN OR HEARD BEFORE. AND I THINK IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AND OUR DUE DILIGENCE AS THE GOVERNING BODY TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THIS. SO, AS WAS SAID EARLIER, WE ARE BEING PROACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTIVE. WE RECEIVE NEW INFORMATION, WE SHOULD REVIEW SET INFORMATION. THAT'S MY ONLY POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION. IT'S NOT THAT I'M OPPOSED TO THIS. MS. PRESLEY, I'M ASKING ARE WE SUPPOSED TO ACT ON THAT FIRST OR CAN WE GO AHEAD AND ENTER, I MEAN, AND A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, MR. SONIC, UM, AND THE CHAIR CAN ENTERTAIN THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'LL ENTERTAIN THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. OKAY. IN FURTHERANCE OF THE PURPOSES AND OBJECTIVES CONTAINED IN TOWN CODE 1 48 DASH ONE 10 B, I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED MINIMUM STREET PAVEMENT WIDTH TO 29 FEET FOR THE MARSHALL GLEN FROM HANOCK H-C-L-L-C SECOND. OKAY. NOW THERE'S A MOTION, A SECOND AND THE DISCUSSION, AND I'M GONNA ASK FIRST, SO THIS MOTION JUST TALKS ABOUT THE STREET PAVEMENT WIDTH TO 29 FEET. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE A CONDITION, WHICH IS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY. SO THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THEIR ALTERNATE. I WANT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I USE THE LANGUAGE, UM, EVEN IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S PART OF OUR APPLICATION. IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE SPEED TABLES AND STUFF. SO, UM, NOW THE APPLICATION THAT THE APPLICANT MADE, IT DOES SAY SEEKING APPROVAL OF ALTERNATIVE STREET DESIGN STANDARD WITH A MINIMUM PAVEMENT WITH THE 29 FEET PARKING ONE SIDE WITH SUPPLEMENTAL TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. SEE ATTACHED LETTER TO LAUREN KAKI AND ATTACHED TRAFFIC CALMING PLAN IN THAT PLAN THAT CAME, THAT'S PART OF THE LETTER. I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE VERY LAST PART, ALTERNATIVE STANDARD. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING MR. SONNET IS THAT THE MOTION THAT IS ON THE FLOOR IS, WOULD ONLY APPROVE CORRECT THE WIDTH OF THE STREET. IT DOESN'T APPROVE THE ANY OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. AM I CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION IS, RIGHT? WELL, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, UM, WAS WHAT YOU JUST RECITED CONSIDERED AN AMENDMENT TO THE WHAT SITE PLAN TO THE IT'S THEY DIDN'T SUBMIT A SITE PLAN. IT'S A A DEVELOP. YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A DEVELOPMENT PLAN. DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YEAH. SO THE QUESTION I THINK IS, HAS STAFF TREATED THAT AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN? AND, AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION WAS BECAUSE WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US AT THE WORK SESSION NEVER TALKED ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, WE, WE HAD PRESENTED, IT WAS A LONG PRESENTATION, BUT IT WAS A WHOLE LOT ABOUT SPEED AND NARROWING THE ROAD, WHICH FOR THE RECORD, I WALK ON LEECH RUN PARKWAY. IN FACT, I WAS THERE TONIGHT ABOUT HOUR AND 15 MINUTES, AND I COME UP ELL STREET, YOU PROBABLY SEE ME WITH MY LITTLE PUPPY. SO I, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT ELL STREET IS TOO WIDE. I MEAN, AND LEECH RUN PARKWAY. THAT'S NOT AN EXAGGERATION. SO YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. I, I GET ALL THAT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, SO TO SPEAK. AND WE'RE SAYING, YEAH, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, THE MOTION IS TO, TO TO CHANGE THE WIDTH OF THE STREET, WHICH IS WHAT'S BEFORE US. THAT IS ALL THAT MOTION ENCOMPASSES. RIGHT? BUT YES, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S, AND EVEN MR. SIMON'S QUESTION IS ADDRESSING WHAT MY QUESTION WAS IS THAT WHAT EXACTLY IS THIS COUNCIL HAVE BEFORE THEM IN THE MOTION? WHAT DOES IT INCLUDE? BECAUSE AS I SAID AT THE WORK SESSION, THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT ANY OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING OTHER THAN WIDTH OF THE STREET, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED TO SEND THIS BACK TO A WORK SESSION. IF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TAKING A VOTE BEFORE ME TONIGHT WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS IS INEFFICIENT AND INEFFECTIVE TIME OF OUR GOVERNING DUTIES HERE TONIGHT. THE MOTION IS NOT CONDITIONED UPON ANYTHING OTHER THAN 29 FEET. SO THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WE ARE GONNA TAKE ACTION ON AFTER THIS DISCUSSION IS ONLY FOR THE WIDTH OF THE STREET. NOT TO INCLUDE SPEEDING TABLES, NOT TO INCLUDE RAISED CROSSWALKS. AND THEY MAY HAVE FANTASTIC INTEGRITY AND BE GREAT PEOPLE, BUT [02:05:01] THAT'S A GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE A PART OF THE MOTION AS WE'VE DONE WITH EVERY OTHER DEVELOPER OR SPECIAL EXCEPTION THAT WE'VE DONE HERE TONIGHT. SO THAT WAS MY REASONING FOR SENDING THIS BACK TO A WORK SESSION, WAS TO TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTION. SO IT, UH, MY QUESTION IS FOR THE APPLICANT, MY QUESTION'S NOT FOR THE A FOR YOU TO ANSWER. IT'S ON YOUR BEHALF. WHAT PROCESS THEN WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN IF WE PASS THIS MOTION AS IS TO 29 FEET? UM, THEN WHAT DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE TO DO IF THEY WANT TO DO? WHAT ARE THEY REQUIRED TO DO IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THESE SPEED TABLES? WELL, ARE YOU ASKING GEORGE PLAN? OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE STANDARDS FOR SPEED TABLES IN THE TOWN. SO OUR PUBLIC WORKS COMMENTS THAT ARE IN OUR SYSTEM STATE THAT TOWN COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO APPROVE THE SPEED TABLES BECAUSE OF A LACK OF STANDARDS. SO THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL JUST NEEDS TO COME BACK TO YOU ANYWAYS WITH THAT REQUEST. AND I WANTED TO BE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY ALL AT ONCE WITH THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION. AND I, I AGREE TO THAT MADAM MAYOR AND THE TWO SPEAKERS THAT SPOKE HERE TONIGHT, SHED A LOT OF LIGHT ON THIS. THEY SEEM TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT, HONESTLY, THAN WHAT WE DID. WHICH I MEAN, WE, I HONESTLY WE'RE WE'RE BEING TRUTH, BUT WE DIDN'T SEE THIS BEFORE. THAT'S WHY WE WANNA BRING IT TO, TO THE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. YEAH. FOUND OUT AND THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE TO HIM AFTERWARDS. YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE SPOKE. AND I APOLOGIZE BY OFFENDED YOU DIDN'T OFFEND ANYONE. YOU DIDN'T OFFEND ME. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M GLAD IT'S NEW INFORMATION FOR US. ALRIGHT. YEAH. NO, NO, NO, NO. HEY LOOK, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT YOUR NO, NO, NO. YEAH, NO, YOU DIDN'T OFFEND ANY. IT TAKES A LOT TO OFFEND. I WATCHED A KID THAT WASN'T MINE GET RAN OVER. I'M GONNA GO BACK TO STAFF. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS BECAUSE, AND HE'S AGREEING FOR LIKE, AGAIN, AGAIN. SO REALLY BACK TO THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S BEFORE THIS COUNCIL TONIGHT IS JUST TO APPROVE THE, THE WIDTH OF THE STREET AND THE EXCEPTION TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE WIDTH OF THE STREET AND THEN, AND THAT'S IT. AND WHEN THAT'S DONE, THEN THE NEXT, IF IF SPEED TABLES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S GOTTA COME BACK TO COUNCIL. IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? ACCORDING TO OUR COMMENTS AND OUR SYSTEM COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STANDARDS. YEAH, BUT OKAY, GOTCHA. WHAT? OKAY. YEP. AND I JUST WANNA SAY LAUREN, AND MAYBE I'M LIKE THAT I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS. IT'S NOT PART OF OUR PACKET FROM PUBLIC WORKS. THAT'S FROM PUBLIC WORKS. SO, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY HOW IT GOT LOST IN THE SHUFFLE HERE IS THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR IT AT THE WORK SESSION. AND THEN, SO ALL RIGHT BEFORE THIS COUNCIL, RIGHT NOW, THE MOTION, MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU READ THE MOTION? WELL THE MOTION'S, WHAT THE MOTION YOU HAVE IN THE PACKET AND THAT IS TO ONLY APPROVE THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO REDUCE THE REQUIRE MINIMUM STREET PAVEMENT WITH THE 29 FEET FROM MARSHALLS GLEN FROM HANOCK H-C-L-L-C. THE LAST POINT OF MY DISCUSSION, MADAM MAYOR, I PROMISE I'M URGING MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VOTE NO TO THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. SO THIS CAN BE DONE FOR THE DEVELOPER'S SAKE, FOR THE RESIDENT'S SAKE, FOR THE COUNCIL'S SAKE, FOR THE STAFF'S SAKE. ALL RIGHT. AND ONE FELL SWOOP. OKAY, MR. PRESLEY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, MR. PRESLEY, GO AHEAD. COUNCILMAN WOOD. YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? NO. COUNCILMAN SEELO? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? NO. COUNCILMAN DE DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES WITH NO. RIGHT. AND THEN, AND THEN AFTER THAT YOU DECIDE AND AGAIN, MY KIDS GET HIT. YEP. NO, I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR , SIR, I'M SO SORRY. WE, WE, WE GENERALLY DON'T. YEAH. ONCE, SO AFTER THIS CONVERSATION, AS I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS PART WAS APPROVED TO, TO CHANGE THE WIDTH OF THE STREET AND THEN ANY OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES WILL BE BROUGHT BACK, CORRECT? YES. AFTER STAFF. STAFF, YES. I'LL BRING INVOLVED. OKAY. SO I, I DO WANNA SAY, I KNOW, I KNOW, UM, THE CITIZEN HAS LEFT, BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THERE WON'T BE SPEED TABLES OR OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. CORRECT. IT'S JUST THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE AT ITS OWN WITH ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT? YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS A PUBLIC HEARING. NO, THAT WOULD JUST BE APPROVAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE AN APPLICATION, IT WOULD JUST BE A ADDITION TO THE PLAN. OKAY. SO A REGULAR MEETING WITH ACTION BY COUNSEL THOUGH. SO IT WOULD BE NEXT MONTH AT THE ABSOLUTE EARLIEST WE COULD MAKE A DECISION. THE TIME THAT I PROPOSED WE BRING THIS BACK TO WELL AND THEN WE THANK YOU. WE'LL COME BACK, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER WHEN IT'S GONNA BE ON A WORK SESSION AGENDA WITH, WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND SUCH. ALRIGHT, [7.D. Lease Agreement Between the Town and On Cue Sports and Billiards LLC and Front Royal Brewing Co., LLC to Use a Specific Area of Town Property Located in Peyton Street Parking Area for Private Solid Waste Containers and Related Facilities] NEXT UP IS SEVEN D, THE LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND ON Q SPORTS AND BILLIARDS. THANK [02:10:01] YOU MR. HOR, LLC AND FRONT WORLD BREWING COMPANY LLC TO USE A SPECIFIC AREA OF TOWN PROPERTY LOCATED IN PAINT STREET PARKING AREA FOR PRIVATE SOLID WASTE CONTAINERS AND RELATED FACILITIES. THE SUMMARY IS COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM ONE Q SPORTS AND BILLIARDS LLC AND FRONT ROW BREWING COMPANY LLC TO USE A SPECIFIC AREA OF TOWN PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE PEYTON STREET PARKING AREA FOR PRIVATE SOLID WASTE CONTAINERS AND RELATED FACILITIES. THE TWO BUSINESSES ARE CLASS THREE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES WITHIN THE MAIN STREET SOLID WASTE SERVICE AREA WISHING TO OPT OUT OF TOWN. SOLID WASTE COLLECTION AS PERMITTED BY TOWN CODE. I DON'T THINK I ASKED STAFF TO HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS BECAUSE WE'VE CERTAINLY TALKED ABOUT THIS ENOUGH. I BELIEVE THE LAST THING THAT STAFF PRESENTED TO US WAS ACTUALLY THE AGREEMENT AND THAT'S BEEN UPDATED. AND SO I, AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK MS. PRESLEY? NOBODY. WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE NOW AND I'M LOOKING AROUND. IT'S MOSTLY OF THE STAFF. SO DOES ANYBODY WANNA SPEAK TO THIS? ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL. MADAM MAYOR, I'M, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL APPROVE A LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND ON Q SPORTS AND BILLIARDS LLC AND FRONT ROW BREWING COMPANY LLC TO USE A SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC AREA OF TOWN PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE PEYTON STREET PARKING AREA FOR PRIVATE AND SOLID WASTE CONTAINERS AND RELATED FACILITIES AS PRESENTED AND AUTHORIZE THE TOWN MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN. OKAY, DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? NO. OKAY. MS. PRESLEY, ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN OCK? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. OUR LAST [7.E. Adoption of the 2025 Real Estate and Personal Property Tax Rates] PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS SEVEN E AND IT'S ABOUT THE ADOPTION OF THE 2025 REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES. COUNCIL'S REQUESTED TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE 2025 REAL ESTATE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES AS PRESENTED THE REAL PROPERTY TAX RATE AT 0.068 PER A HUNDRED DOLLARS ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH REPRESENTS NO INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT YEARS RATES. THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE AT 0.64 PER A HUNDRED DOLLARS ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH REPRESENTS NO INCREASE OVER CURRENT YEARS RATES. THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF RATE FOR QUALIFYING VEHICLES AT A RATE OF 43% OF VALUE ON THE FIRST 20,000 OF ASSESSED VALUE FOR QUALIFYING VEHICLES WITH AN ASSESSED VALUE GREATER THAN A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND A PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF RATE OF A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR QUALIFYING VEHICLES WITH AN ASSESSED VALUE A THOUSAND DOLLARS OR LESS PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 58.1 DASH 3 52. ONCE APPROVED, THE FRONT ROW TOWN CODE CHAPTER 75 DASH 44 C REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE WOULD BE AMENDED. ACCORDINGLY, THE TAX RATES WILL BE EFFECTIVE UPON ADOPTION. UM, AND WE HAD A WORK SESSION HELD ON THAT ON APRIL 7TH, SO I KNOW THERE'S NOTHING THAT STAFF NEEDS TO PRESENT ON THIS. UM, AND SO I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ABOUT THE REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES? WE HAVE ONE WE DO? MM-HMM . OKAY. P I'M SORRY. NO, WE DON'T. NO, WE DON'T. NOPE. OKAY. I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY WANNA SPEAK AND SAY THAT THIS IS NOT SAY THE SAME, BUT OKAY. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL AND IT'S A LONG ONE. MOTION MADAM MAYOR. I MOVE THAT COUNCIL ADOPT THE 2025 REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES AS PRESENTED THE REAL PROPERTY TAX RATE AT POINT AT 0.068 PER $100 ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH REPRESENTS NO INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT YEAR'S RATES. THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE AT 0.64 PER $100 ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH REPRESENTS NO INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT YEAR'S RATES, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF RATE FOR QUALIFYING VEHICLES AT A RATE OF 43% OF VALUE ON THE FIRST $20,000 OF ASSESSED VALUE FOR QUALIFYING VEHICLES WITH AN ASSESSED VALUE GREATER THAN $1,000, AND A PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF RATE OF 100% FOR QUALIFYING VEHICLES WITH AN ASSESSED VALUE OF $1,000 OR LESS, PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 58.1 DASH 3 52, AND THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN CODE CHAPTER 75 DASH 44 C BE AMENDED ACCORDINGLY AND IS PRESENTED SECOND. [02:15:01] OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, MADAM MAYOR, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I'LL, I'LL GO WITH COUNCILMAN WOODFORD SYSTEM. WELL, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE NOT VOTING FOR A TAX INCREASE. AND FOR MOST PEOPLE THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING. WE'RE IN TOUGH TIMES. AND, UM, CALLS FOR MEASURES OF BEING PRUDENT AND PHYSICALLY RESPONSIBLE. I WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS TONIGHT UNTIL WE GOT INTO THIS ELONGATED DISCUSSION ABOUT SPEED TABLES AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND EVERYTHING. AND I WANT TO REMIND COUNSEL THAT, UH, WE RECEIVED A WINDFALL OF OVER $400,000 IN FINE REVENUE FROM THE SPEED CAMERAS. NOW, I WAS NOT ON THE LAST COUNCIL WHEN THE SPEED CAMERAS WERE APPROVED. I MEAN, I HAD MS. PRESLEY GO BACK AND THE LAST COUNCIL DISCUSSED USING THE REVENUE ON PUBLIC SAFETY. HOWEVER, IT WAS NEVER VOTED ON. SO THE DECISION OF THIS COUNCIL WAS TO ROLL THIS 400 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS INTO THE GENERAL FUND. AND I WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE HAVE A FUND GENERATED BY SPEED CAMERAS FOR THE SAFETY OF CHILDREN, AND IT'S A GOOD THING. I LIVE ON THE STRAWS ROAD. IT HAS CERTAINLY IMPACTED IT. THE CHIEF CAME TO LAST MEETING TO REPORT THE, UH, DECREASE IN SPEEDING IN OUR SCHOOL ZONES. BUT, OKAY, WHAT'S THE ENCORE FOR THIS AT THIS POINT? UH, DO WE PUT 'EM IN OTHER SCHOOL ZONES? UM, WHEN CITIZENS ADVOCATE FOR BETTER ROADS, UH, NEW ROADS, SIDEWALKS, UM, CROSSWALKS, SIGNAGE, UM, THEY NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WE DID NOT RAISE TAXES AND WE TOOK THE MONEY FROM THE SPEED CAMERAS TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. SO, UH, WHEN PEOPLE ASK ME ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS, UM, WE BUDGETED NO IMPROVEMENTS. WE HAVE ZERO IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET FOR NEW SIDEWALKS. WE HAVE ZERO IN OUR BUDGET FOR HAPPY CREEK ROAD. AND WHILE THAT'S BEEN A WISH, A DESIRE OF THIS TOWN COUNCIL FOR WELL, WELL OVER 20 YEARS TO WIDEN HAPPY CREEK ROAD, AND EVEN OUR COUNTY CITIZENS USING IT TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND THE HIGH SCHOOL OR THE JUNIOR HIGH, WE ARE PUTTING NO MONEY ASIDE FOR THAT. AND IT'S A ROAD THAT THE STATE IS NOT GONNA HELP US FUND. WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA SCORE HIGH ENOUGH UNLESS WE HAVE A TRAGEDY AND, AND DEATH OCCURS LIKE IT DID ON SOUTH STREET. SO I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND, NO, TAXES ARE GREAT. NO, TAXES ARE WONDERFUL, BUT WHEN THERE ARE NO NEW TAXES, THERE'S NO EXTRA FOR ANYTHING ELSE. AND THAT'S MY COMMENT. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT. YEAH. WELL, UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, YEAH, I'M, I'M GONNA, I WAS ABOUT TO TAG ON TO, UH, COUNCILMAN WOODS WORDS. UM, I DON'T LIKE TAXES. I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE CAPITAL GAINS TAXES. I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T LIKE TAXES. UH, DIDN'T WE GO TO, DIDN'T WE THROW THE BRITISH OUT AT ONE TIME OR SOMETHING ABOUT TAXES? UH, HOWEVER, IN ORDER TO GET THINGS DONE, YOU NEED MONEY AND YOU NEED TO PUT THE MON PUT MONEY AWAY OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS. AND A LOT OF PROJECTS NEVER, NEVER GET ADDRESSED. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, AS I UH, MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY, THE WIDENING, THE WIDENING OF THAT ROAD, UH, UH, IT IS BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR 20, 25 YEARS. AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE'S NO MONEY THAT HAS BEEN PUT AWAY, UH, FOR THE FUTURE, UH, IN ORDER, IN ORDER TO, TO IMPROVE IT. IT'S STILL A TWO-LANE HIGHWAY, AND I'LL PROBABLY BE, UH, AT ANOTHER LEVEL BEFORE I, I SEE THAT FOUR LANE HIGHWAY. HOWEVER, UM, THERE'S OTHER THINGS. UH, THERE WAS A CONNECTOR ROAD THAT, I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THE, INTO THE SUBJECT MATTER OF IT, BUT IT, IT, IT WAS IN THE PLAN [02:20:01] 20, 20, 25 YEARS AGO AS WELL THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO RUN FROM KENDRICK LANE OVER TO VISCO CITY. AND, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S AN ENTIRELY ANOTHER ISSUE. BUT WE, WE'VE NEVER, WE'VE NEVER, WELL, WE HAD MONEY, UH, BUT WE HAD TO PAY, WE HAD TO PAY IT BACK. UH, HOWEVER, WE'VE NEVER PUT ANY MONEY AWAY OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS IN ORDER TO, IF SOMEDAY WE, WE, UH, GET A RIGHT OF WAY TO, TO BUILD THAT ROAD, IT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYTHING IN THE COFFERS TO, UH, GET A HEAD START ON IT. SO THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT I THINK, UH, MR. WOOD WAS TALKING ABOUT, INCLUDING SIDEWALKS. I MEAN, WE HAVE A SIDEWALK, UH, IN THE PLAN THAT'S OUT THERE ON RAZA ROAD. UH, HOWEVER, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK RUNNING TO THE SKATE PARK FROM, UH, THE TOP OF, UH, WEST MAINE, UH, AT SAY NORTH STREET ALL THE WAY TO THE SKATE PARK. SO KIDS HAVE TO WALK IN THE STREET. AND, UH, AND FROM A TOURISM STANDPOINT, THE, I SEE THE TOUR. I LIVE ON WEST MAINE, SO I SEE THE TOURISTS WALK UP THE STREET AND THEY STOP AT NORTH STREET BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK. SO THEY NEVER GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT BEAUTIFUL VISTA OF THE MACNUTT MOUNTAINS AND REALLY SHOW THE TOWN OFF ON FOOT. SO THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AS A COUNCIL AND, UH, TO BE PROACTIVE TO, TO PUT MONEY AWAY, A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AWAY OVER TIME IN ORDER TO DO THESE THINGS TO IMPROVE THE LOOK OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO, UM, WITH THAT, MAYOR, THAT ENDS MY COMMENT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? I, I JUST NEED A CLARIFICATION. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BUDGET IS NOT IN STONE YET. WE STILL HAVE NEGOTIATIONS OVER VARIOUS PARTS OF THE, THE BUDGET, CORRECT? CORRECT. BEFORE THE FINAL BUDGET. SO TONIGHT, TONIGHT'S MOTION WAS JUST ABOUT THE TAX RATE FOR THEN THE, UM, FINANCE DIRECTOR TO START GOING INTO DE DEEPER DETAILS WITH US OVER WHAT OUR PRIORITIES WERE. AND SO, MY POINT BEING THAT WHEN MR. WOOD MENTIONED ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, I THINK WE CAN REVISIT THAT, TALK ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE, THE WINDFALL THAT WE HAD. UM, AND I THINK WE SHOULD, I, I THOUGHT WE VOTED ON IT AS PART OF IT, BUT MAYBE MY MEMORY IS WRONG. BUT, UM, NO. SO TONIGHT'S TONIGHT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US. THIS IS ABOUT THE ADOPTION OF THE REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES. THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET, I BELIEVE IS GONNA BE AT THE END OF MAY, CORRECT, BJ, OR IS THE BEGINNING OF JUNE . UM, WE'RE BE, WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL ON MAY 5TH, UH, TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET MORE. OKAY. UM, AND WE HAVE A, THEY HAVE A COMPLICATION, UH, ON THE DATE WILL SET. WE'LL DISCUSS THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ADOPTION, THE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, THE MOTION? YEAH, I, MADAM MAYOR, TOO WAS GOING TO REFRAIN FROM ADDING COMMENT FOR THE SAKE OF THE AGENDA LENGTH AND TIME TONIGHT. BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS I'M SITTING HERE REVISITING MY NOTES FROM EVERY COUNCIL MEETING WE'VE EVER HAD. UM, MOST RECENTLY WE DISCUSSED THE TAX RATES, UM, ON APRIL 7TH. UM, IT WAS A PROPOSED, UM, FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 20 26 BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2025. UM, AND WE NEEDED TO PROVIDE STAFF WITH DIRECTION ADVERTISING FOR THAT. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATION THAT WENT INTO WHETHER WE SHOULD RAISE THE TAXES OR WHETHER WE SHOULD KEEP THE TAX RATE FLAT OR BIG PROPONENT OF DROPPING THE TAX RATE. LISTEN, IN THIS ECONOMY AND IN THESE PRICES, PEOPLE ON FIXED INCOME, THEIR INCOME ISN'T GOING UP. SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA ON APRIL 7TH THAT THE COUNCIL DISCUSSED WAS THE ELECTRIC RATES THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE ESTIMATE OF SUMMER 2025 [02:25:01] WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL. NOW, TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE INCREASED THE WASTE, THE TRASH SERVICES COST. WE HAD TO, IT WAS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. WE'VE INCREASED, NOW WE'RE GETTING READY TO INCREASE THE ELECTRIC RATES, AND WE'VE INCREASED THE WATER AND SEWER RATES. AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS GROCERIES HAVE INCREASED. THE COST OF LIVING AND GAS HAVE INCREASED INSURANCE. OUR PROPERTY VALUES SKYROCKETED DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE DOING IT MORE OFTEN TO KEEP THEM MORE BALANCED. AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY MORE. NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, HAD WE RAISED THE TAXES SLIGHTLY TO HAVE SAVED MONEY AND PUT MONEY IN THE SAVINGS FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, THEN SO BE IT. BUT WE SAW NUMBERS THAT LOOKED LIKE AN ADDITIONAL 50,000 TO $150,000 BY RAISING THE TAXES. SO WE WOULD RAISE THE TAXES ON EVERY CITIZEN IN FRONT ROYAL TO MAKE $150,000 WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THE EXPANSION OF JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY COSTS $50 MILLION, THAT'S NOT A DROP IN THE BUCKET TOWARDS A COST LIKE THAT. AND WE ACTUALLY DID ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR THE SIDEWALK ON ER ROAD, WHICH ARE BEING MET WITH A MATCH FROM, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO WE ARE ALLOCATING THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WE FIND IN OUR BUDGET TO THINGS THAT MOVE OUR INITIATIVES FORWARD. AND I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO CONTINUE. I KNOW THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT DON'T LIKE TO HEAR IT, BUT TO FULFILL THE TOWNS AND THE CONSTITUENTS AND THE CITIZENS' NEEDS WITHOUT RAISING TAXES, EVERY TIME THERE'S A BUDGET SEASON, UH, THE COST OF VEHICLES HAS GONE UP. UM, WHICH MEANS EVEN IF KEEPING THE TAX RATE FLAT, THE BILLS HIGHER BECAUSE IT'S VALUED AT MORE. THERE ARE SO MANY IMPLICATIONS. AND AT NONE OF THE PRICE POINTS FOR INCREASING OUR TAXES, DID WE SEE OVER A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHICH DOESN'T EVEN PAY FOR PROBABLY ENOUGH CROSSWALK TABLES TO GO INTO THE SUBDIVISIONS. AND ACTUALLY, I KNOW FOR A FACT IT WOULDN'T PAY FOR ENOUGH OF THOSE. SO FOR ME, I COULD NOT JUSTIFY RAISING TAXES ON THE PEOPLE OF FRONT ROYAL TO PUT $150,000 INTO THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT. NOT NOW, NOT THIS YEAR. PERHAPS THERE'S A TIME IN THE FUTURE, OR PERHAPS WE INVEST OUR MONEY INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL THEN INCREASE THE TAX REVENUES, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE MONEY OFF OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL SALES, TAXES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, REAL ESTATE TAXES FROM THOSE PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND OCCUPY ALL THESE VACANT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. THERE'S OTHER WAY TO CREATE AND GENERATE MORE REVENUE THAN TO PUT IT ON THE BACKS AND BURDEN THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND CALL THIS HOME. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM SEVEN E'S MOTION? NO. ALRIGHT. WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL. WELL, OH, LET ME, MAY, MAY I COMMENT? SURE. OKAY. I JUST WANT FOR, FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T SEE THE WORK SESSION AND DID NOT, UH, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE, THE GREAT INFORMATION THAT OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR BJ WILSON PUT TOGETHER FOR US, WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN WE, WE WERE AT 10 CENTS PER 100, AND WE EQUAL EQUALIZED DOWN TO 0.068. SO THAT WAS ONE PERC 1% INCREASE. UM, THE, WE DIDN'T INCREASE THE REVENUE DIFFERENCE FROM EQUALIZATION INDICATED AT 0.068, WE WOULD BE AT $15,112. LIKEWISE, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE COMPARISON OF THE REAL ESTATE TAX BILL BASED ON PROPERTY ASSESSED AT 380,000 AT 0.068, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TOTAL ANNUAL REAL ESTATE TAX BILL OF $258. NOW THAT THAT GETS YOU $15,112 HAD, HAD WE SATIS DECIDED TO GO WITH 0.075, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ESTIMATED TAX REVENUE WOULD'VE BEEN IN TWO POINT, UH, ZERO 3 MILLION, [02:30:03] HOLD ON, UH, COMPARED TO THE, UH, 0.068, UH, SO-CALLED INCREASE OF WHICH WE WOULD'VE COLLECTED, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, 1.842 MILLION WITH THE REVENUE DIFFERENCE OF $15,112. SO WITH THE 0.075, WHICH WE WOULD'VE COLLECTED OVER $2 MILLION, WHICH WOULD BE A DIFFERENCE OF $204,731, THE ANNUAL, UH, REAL ESTATE TAX BILL WOULD'VE BEEN $285. SO $285 LESS, 2 82 58, WE'RE LOOKING, WE'RE LOOKING AT A $27 DIFFERENCE IN ORDER TO GET $204,731 INSTEAD OF $15,112 OF ADDITIONAL, UH, TAX REVENUE THAT WE COULD HAVE PUT TO SIDEWALKS OR SOMETHING. SO I JUST WANT THE PEOPLE AT HOME TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPALITIES ONLY HAVE CERTAIN WAYS OF RAISING REVENUE AND, UH, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE PEOPLE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A, A LOT OF LAND IN TOWN IN ORDER TO BRING IN A LARGE MANUFACTURING ORGANIZATION, UH, AT THIS TIME. UH, SO I WANNA BE, WE DID THAT LET OF THAT KNOW TO TAKE THE TAX BURDEN OFF THE PEOPLE. THE ONLY OTHER ANGLE WOULD BE TOURISM, WHICH IS, IS WHAT, WHAT WE DO A LOT OF HERE. AND I'M IMPRESSED WITH WHAT, WHAT WE CAN COLLECT THROUGH TOURISM, BUT IT, IT'S, THAT'S ONLY ONE PIECE OF THE PIE. THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE ON. AND, UH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT, UH, SOMETIMES YOU NEED AN INCREASE OF SOME SORT IN ORDER TO HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE OTHER THAN GOING INTO YOUR, UH, UH, REVENUE, UH, UH, REVENUE FUNDS. OKAY. YOU REALLY DON'T, THAT MONEY THAT THAT IS PUT AWAY IN THESE, UH, SPECIAL FUNDS THEY NEED, WE NEED TO, UH, KEEP THOSE THINGS FOR EMERGENCIES IF, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. SO, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. MAYOR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A POINT THAT, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE DON'T, WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN COLLECT AND WHEN WE DON'T COLLECT IT, WE DON'T HAVE FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES. I JUST WANTED TO ADD, IF ANYBODY THAT'S WATCHING WANTED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NUMBERS AND THOSE THINGS THAT COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT WAS TALKING ABOUT ON THE APRIL 7TH WORK SESSION ON PAGE 17 OF THE AGENDA, IT WOULD SHOW THE, THE DIFFERENT NUMBERS. UM, WE, UM, WHEN COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT SAID ATTACKS INCREASE, UM, ACTUALLY, SO BECAUSE WE, UM, DISCUSSED EQUALIZATION IT, IF WE WOULD'VE GONE WITH THE 0.067, UM, THE TOWN ACTUALLY WOULD'VE GONE IN THE HOLE LESS THAN WHAT WE COLLECTED LAST YEAR. UM, THE NUMBER THAT, UM, WE AGREED TO ADVERTISE WAS 0.068. UM, AND BECAUSE THAT'S WITHIN 1% OF EQUALIZATION, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A TAX INCREASE. IT WILL GARNER $15,000 MORE. ANYWAY. ALRIGHT, WE'RE READY FOR, UH, A ROLL CALL, I BELIEVE. AND DOES ANYBODY NEED ME TO REMIND YOU WHAT THE MOTION IS? I HOPE NOT. 'CAUSE I HAVE TO GO TO A DIFFERENT SCREEN TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE WERE DOING. KEEPING THE TAX RATE FLAT IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION [02:35:01] ON. YEAH. RIGHT. SO IT IS NU YEAH. OKAY. THE, I'M NOT REREADING THAT MOTION. IT'S LIKE 18 LINES LONG . SO HOPEFULLY YOU ALL REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. ALRIGHT. DO ROLL CALL. JUST A REMINDER. UH, TAX RATES REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS VOTE OF THE MEMBERSHIP. OKAY. FOR APPROVAL. COUNCILMAN WOOD, NO. VICE MAYOR VIAL FOR THOSE ALICE FAMILIES AND THE CHILDREN LIVING IN OUR MOTELS AND THOSE ON SOCIAL SECURITY, WHERE $30 ISN'T A LOT FOR THOSE PRIVILEGED, BUT IT MAKES A NIGHT AT A HOTEL. STAY FOR THEM. THE A HUNDRED CHILDREN WE HAVE IN MORTON COUNTY. YES. COUNCILMAN SEA LOT? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPORT? I SAID THAT. UM, COME ON BRUCE, YES OR NO? OKAY. ALRIGHT. YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. [8. PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS] SO OUR NEXT PART OF OUR AGENDA IS OUR, UM, ACTUALLY THE PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, WE HAVE ONE. OKAY. I THOUGHT SO. I THINK I KNOW EXACTLY WHO IT IS. THE ONLY PERSON IN THE ROOM THAT DON'T RECOGNIZE , EVERYBODY ELSE'S STAFF AND, AND A COUPLE EXTRA PEOPLE I'M FAMILIAR WITH. AND DID YOU WELL, HE'S GONNA INTRODUCE THE HIMSELF. YES. YES. MAYBE I'M HERE TO LIFT SPIRITS A LITTLE BIT. LET'S HOPE. UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL. UH, MY NAME IS PAUL MAHAN. I'M A RESIDENT OF FRONT ROYAL AND I ATTEND DYNAMIC LIFE, UH, PRAISE AND WORSHIP CENTER. UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ANNOUNCE THIS YEAR'S OBSERVANCE OF THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER, WHICH IS, UH, THIS WEEK. IS IT THIS WEEK? SORRY. IT IS, IT'S THURSDAY. OKAY. I WAS THINKING IT WAS THIS SUNDAY. UM, THE IDEA OF SETTING ASIDE TIME FOR NATIONAL PRAYER HAS BEEN PART OF AMERICA'S HISTORY SINCE THE FOUNDING OF THE COUNTRY. THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS IN 1775. IN 1952, PRESIDENT HARRY S TRUMAN, FOLLOWING A JOINT RESOLUTION OF CONGRESS, OFFICIALLY ESTABLISHED THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER AS AN ANNUAL OBSERVANCE. IN 1988, PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN SIGNED A LAW SETTING IT ON THE FIRST THURSDAY OF MAY OF EACH YEAR. IT IS A DAY WHERE AMERICANS OF ALL FAITHS ARE INVITED TO PRAY FOR OUR NATION, ITS LEADERS AND ITS PEOPLE. ON THURSDAY, MAY 1ST AT 6:00 PM AT THE DOWNTOWN GAZEBO, A UNITED EFFORT OF INTERDENOMINATIONAL CHURCHES OF ALL TRADITIONS IN FRONT ROYAL WILL BE GATHERING AT THE GAZEBO DOWNTOWN TO CELEBRATE THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. WE ARE INVITING EVERYONE TO ATTEND THIS TOWN, THIS TOWN COUNCIL, AND YOUR FAMILIES, YOUR YOUR SUPPORTING STAFF, AND EVERYONE HERE AT THE FRONT ROYAL GOVERNMENT CENTER. FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT ATTEND THIS THURSDAY, I WOULD LIKE TO USE MY SPEAKING TIME TO PRAY FOR YOU TONIGHT. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WITH GRATEFUL HEARTS FOR OUR TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. WE THANK YOU FOR ITS PEOPLE AND FOR MANY WAYS YOU HAVE BLESSED OUR COMMUNITY. LORD, WE LIFT UP THE NEEDS OF OUR TOWN TO YOU. WE PRAY FOR OUR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND ALL CITY EMPLOYEES TONIGHT. WE WANNA PRAY SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR OFFICIALS WHO LEAD FRONT ROYAL. WE ASK FOR THEIR SAFETY, WISDOM, AND DISCERNMENT AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS THAT IMPACT THE LIVES OF SO MANY. BLESS OUR MAYOR, OUR VICE MAYOR, AND OUR TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR TOWN MANAGER, OUR CLERK OF COUNCIL, OUR TOWN ATTORNEY PLANNING ZONING DIRECTOR, AND ANYONE WHO I MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN MAY THEY LEAD WITH INTEGRITY, COMPASSION, AND THE HEART. THEY SEEK FOR THE GOOD OF ALL. FATHER, WE LOVE OUR COMMUNITY OF FRONT ROYAL. HELP US TO BE FAITHFUL STEWARDS OF YOUR BLESSING IN THIS TOWN. IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS TIME TONIGHT, AND I HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE ON THURSDAY NIGHT AND I'LL, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE THING TO GIVE EACH OF YOU IN GOD TRUST. SORRY. THANK YOU MR. MEGAN. I, I'VE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE FIVE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN SITTING UP HERE, BUT I BELIEVE THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE NICEST ONE. GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU DON'T MIND ? SO, 6:00 PM AT THE GAZEBO, RIGHT? YEP. YOU CAN HANG THAT UP IF YOU HAVE A BREAK ROOM OR SOMETHING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK, [02:40:01] WE NEEDED THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH, HE WAS, MR. WALMART'S ACTING ABOUT THE OTHER DAY IN HIS HOUSE. AND I, WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL HAS THEIR SCHOLARSHIP AWARD CEREMONY THAT NIGHT. THAT'S THE REASON WHY I KNEW THAT THERE WAS A CONFLICT FOR ME. NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS. [9.A. Report of Town Manager] OKAY. UM, SO NEXT UP IS NUMBER NINE, THE REPORTS, AND IT'S THE REPORT OF THE TOWN MANAGER. AND BEFORE HE STARTS, I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS OUR FIRST NIGHT WHERE MR. UH, PETTY IS GONNA BE GIVING THE REPORT OF TOWN MANAGER. SO, WELCOME ABOARD MR. PETTY. THANK YOU FOR JOINING OUR SHIP . WELL, THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU, TOWN COUNCIL. IT'S, UH, IT'S BEEN A GREAT TWO WEEKS. UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY A TESTAMENT TO STAFF TO SEE WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE ABSENCE OF A TOWN MANAGER. UM, BETWEEN BJ AND THE TEAM LEADERSHIP OF ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, THEY'VE REALLY CARRIED IT WELL. AND, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, VERY PATIENT WITH ME DURING THIS LEARNING PROCESS. I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT DEPARTMENT LEADERSHIP THAT WE HAVE THERE. SO I, I DEFINITELY WANTED TO GIVE THEM A SHOUT OUT AND JUST SAY THANK YOU. BUT IT'S BEEN A GREAT TWO WEEKS. I'M THRILLED TO BE PART OF THIS TEAM, BE BACK IN THIS ROOM IN THIS CAPACITY, BEEN SPENDING THE TWO WEEKS MEETING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS, TAKING TOURS OF THE FACILITIES, REALLY GETTING A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND, 'CAUSE I KNOW I HAVE A LOT TO LEARN AND A LOT TO CATCH UP ON. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING MORE DIALOGUE DURING THESE MEETINGS AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. UM, BUT JUST A FEW QUICK UPDATES FROM OUR OFFICE. WE, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO BE DOWN AT LONE PINE DAY YESTERDAY, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL WEATHER, GREAT TURNOUT. WE HAD STAFF DOWN THERE AGAIN SUPPORTING THAT. UM, ALSO BEGINNING TODAY, YOU MAY SEE OUR PUBLIC WORK STAFF OUT THERE FOR A BIANNUAL HYDRANT FLUSHING. SO, UM, WE PUT THAT NOTICE OUT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. UH, BEGINNING FEBRUARY 12TH, A BIG ONE, THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE RECONSTRUCTION WILL BE TAKING PLACE. AND THAT'S GONNA BE GOING ON UNTIL FEBRUARY OF 2026. SO YOU WILL HAVE TO GO AROUND, UM, TO GET THE BING CROSBY STADIUM AND THE POOL THIS SUMMER. BUT, UM, JUST BE PATIENT WITH US. WE ALSO HAVE A SURPLUS AUCTION GOING ON CURRENTLY. UM, WE HAVE SOME ITEMS THERE, SO NOBODY UP HERE CAN BID ON THEM, BUT PLEASE TELL YOUR FRIENDS. AND THEN FEW, UH, OTHER ITEMS COMING UP. UM, FAMILY FUN DAY ON MAY 10TH, WINE CRAFT ON MAY 17TH. AND THE FARMER'S MARKET STARTS THIS SUNDAY, AND IT'S GOING ON EVERY SUNDAY THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THAT DOWNTOWN. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR UPDATES. HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE A LONGER LIST NEXT TIME. BUT THANK YOU AGAIN. THAT WAS ACTUALLY A REALLY LONG LIST. THAT WAS, THAT WAS A LOT, A LOT GOING ON THERE. AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE GOES UNTIL FEBRUARY, 2026. BUT YOU, I THINK YOU SAID FEBRUARY 12TH, I THINK YOU MEANT MAY 12TH. MAY 12TH. I APOLOGIZE. MAY 12TH. NO, THAT'S OKAY. MAY 12TH. YES. THIS YEAR. MAY 12TH. YEAH. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU SAID FEBRUARY, I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT IT HADN'T STARTED YET. WE'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT. NEXT [9.B. Report of Councilmembers] UP IS THE REPORT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS. WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE FIRST MAYOR. CAN I SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK? YES. I JUST WANT TO, I'LL JUST, UH, FOR THE SAKE OF, UH, BREVITY, I GOT TWO THINGS TO MENTION, UH, BOTH OF WHICH WERE FROM YESTERDAY'S EVENTS. UH, ONE, I'D LIKE TO GIVE A BIG SHOUT OUT TO THE, UH, SKYLINE, FFA FOR THE, UH, UH, CAR TRUCK AND TRACTOR SHOW THEY HAD YESTERDAY. UH, IT, IT WAS A REALLY GREAT TURNOUT. UH, I WAS THERE MYSELF WITH MY JEEP. I GOT TO TAKE, GOT TO SPEAK TO A LOT OF, UH, FELLOW, UH, CAR ENTHUSIASTS. UM, IT SEEMED, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT WAS, THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE THERE THIS YEAR THAN WHAT TO WAR LAST YEAR. SO, UH, SHOUT OUT TO THEM. HOPEFULLY THAT CONTINUES TO GROW. OF COURSE, UH, LONE PINE DAY, UH, AS I WAS THERE YESTERDAY, MYSELF, UH, GREAT TURNOUT. I'LL TALK TO TRAVIS, UH, WITH ACES, UH, BRIEFLY. UH, HE SAID, HE HAD MENTIONED THAT PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY LINED UP BEFORE IT OPENED TO GET TREES. SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY BECOME A, A MAJOR EVENT FOR OUR, FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND AGAIN, I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO, UH, ON THAT NOTE, I'D LIKE TO EXTEND A, UH, SHOUT OUT TO OUR, UH, TOWN STAFF. UH, THOSE GUYS WERE OUT THERE IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS, CLEANING THINGS UP, GETTING THE STREET BACK IN ORDER. SO, UH, AGAIN, I THINK THAT WAS A SUCCESSFUL EVENT. UM, AND, UH, WELL, I SAID, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SO THANKS. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN. I JUST GOT ONE OR TWO THINGS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL SAW THIS PAST WEEK, UH, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD AN INCIDENT ON HILL STREET AND ONE OFFICER, AND ONE MEDIC WAS ASSAULTED CHIEF. UH, JUST KEEP THOSE GUYS IN YOUR PRAYERS ON. THEY'RE OKAY NOW THOUGH. JUST KEEP THOSE GUYS IN. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, THOSE GUYS DON'T KNOW, OR THE GUYS DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY LEAVE HOME IF THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT BACK OR NOT. UH, BUT PLEASE KEEP THAT OFFICER AND THAT MEDIC IN YOUR PRAYERS. UM, AND AGAIN, THE TOWN CREW, UH, [02:45:01] BJ THANKS FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE OVER THE PAST, WHAT, SIX MONTHS, UH, ROBBIE, I KNOW WE BUG YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE CALL, YOU'RE ALWAYS THERE FOR US. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST KEEP IT UP AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY GOOD. SO, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. I MADAM MAYOR, I WILL BE BRIEF. I, UM, JUST WANT THE PUBLIC, THE PRESS, THOSE WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT TO KNOW THAT MY PASSION FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE WAY THAT I SIT ON THIS DICE, AND THE REASON I RAN A SECOND TERM IS BECAUSE I LOVE FRONT ROYAL. I LOVE WARREN COUNTY. I THINK THAT THE FRONT ROYAL IS BLESSED WITH THE MOST AMAZING EMPLOYEES, AND I AM VERY BIASED. THEY BRING INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND DECADES OF EXPERIENCE TO MAKE US WHO AND WHAT WE ARE. AND I AM PROUD TO CALL FRONT ROYAL HOME, AND I INTEND TO CONTINUE TO BE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. BUT ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN FROM ME ON THIS COMES FROM PASSION AND MY LOVE AND RESPECT FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND ITS PEOPLE. OKAY. ANY, ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS? I DON'T WANNA LEAVE ANYBODY OUT. UH, MADAM MAYOR, I JUST HAVE A FEW THINGS AS WELL. I ATTENDED THE, UM, UH, NORTHERN SHE VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION MEETING. UM, I ALSO, UM, EARLIER THIS WEEK AT THE SAME DAY AS THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL FESTIVAL THAT YOU HAD, UM, I WENT TO THE PHOENIX PROJECT SURVIVOR ART, UH, EXHIBIT THAT WAS DOWNTOWN. AND, UM, UH, THAT WAS, UM, THAT'S A GOOD GROUP. AND IT WAS, UH, QUITE AN EMOTIONAL THING. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO THEM AND LEND THEM YOUR SUPPORT. UM, AND I ALSO WENT TO BARKS AND BAGS AS SOME OF THE OTHERS DID. AND, UH, GOT TO WITNESS THE GENEROSITY OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR THE HUMANE SOCIETY. AND THAT'S IT CELEBRATED, UM, YOU KNOW, EASTER. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CELEBRATED PASS PASSOVER AND EASTER OR ANYTHING ELSE, I HOPE YOU HAD A GOOD ONE. SO THANK YOU. MM-HMM . GREAT. I BELIEVE IT'S YOUR TURN. YOU'RE, I THINK NO, NO, I CAN DO IT. I CAN DO IT. GO AHEAD. I DON'T NEED TO BE LAST. IT'S OKAY. UH, I WAS AT, UH, LONE HYUNDAI YESTERDAY FROM ABOUT 10 TO MAYBE 1230. AND, UH, I GOT A TREE AND I PLANTED. THEY SAID, NOW YOU GOTTA GO PLANT IT. OKAY. SO I DID, I PLANTED MY TREE. SO, AND I WATERED IT. I HAVE LIZ AND I WATERED IT BEFORE I CAME DOWN HERE TONIGHT. . OKAY. OKAY. SO, UH, . OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE, I HAD TO BREAK US UP A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW. OKAY. THIS WAS A TOUGH, THIS WAS A TOUGH NIGHT. UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, UH, SOMETHING THAT I FOUND ON THE INTERNET, UM, UM, WORLD@LIST.COM, GET A, GET A HOLD OF YOURSELF, , I DUNNO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. WORLD WORLD ATLAS.COM. OKAY. IT'S A, UH, ONLINE GEOGRAPHY, UH, THAT WAS LAUNCHED IN 1994 WHEN THERE WAS, UH, THEY WERE ONE OF 2,700 WEBSITES ON THE INTERNET AND ONE OF THE LARGEST PUBLISHERS OF RESOURCES AND GEOGRAPHY, SOCIOLOGY, DEMOGRAPHY, ENVIRONMENT, AND ECONOMICS, POLITICS AND TRAVEL. IN 2019, IT SERVED OVER 160 MILLION READERS WORLDWIDE. THE REASON I'M, I'M BRINGING THIS UP TONIGHT, MAYOR, IS, UM, IN THAT THE ARTICLE THAT I SAW THAT PICKED 11 BEST PLACES TO LIVE IN VIRGINIA IN 2025, AND THEIR TARGET AUDIENCE WAS FOR O OPEN TO YOUNG FAMILIES, LOAN PROFESSIONALS, RETIREES LOOKING FOR A SWEET SPOT TO LAY DOWN ROOTS. UH, DOESN'T THAT SOUND PRETTY FAMILIAR? UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE FRONT ROYAL TO ME, THE TOWN ATTRIBUTES, UH, THAT THEY LOOKED AT WAS EASYGOING SCENERY, ACCESS TO OUTDOOR OPPORTUNITIES, STRONG SENSE OF COMMUNITY, STILL SOUNDS LIKE FRONT ROYAL WINNERS LISTED WITH STANTON, AMHERST, BUENA VISTA, PARISBURG, WARSAW, WOODSTOCK, ABINGTON, WEST POINT, BRIDGEWATER, STRASBURG, AND WINCHESTER. [02:50:03] NOW, NOW I THINK WE, SOMEBODY ON OUR STAFF NEEDS TO CALL WORLD ATLAS.COM AND GET IN TOUCH TO 'EM AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE HERE. UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IMPRESSED ME ABOUT IT WAS THE 165 MILLION, UH, READERSHIP AROUND THE WORLD. UM, I'VE GOT EXACTLY THE STAFF NUMBER TO SUGGEST YEAH, I DO TOO. , UH, COMMON ATTRIBUTES WERE NATURAL ENVIR, UH, NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS, SUPPORTIVE COMMUNITY, RELIABLE SOCIAL AND HEALTH AMENITIES. SO YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THAT, WHAT IS ALL THAT EQUAL NET POSITIVE TOURISM, NET POSITIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CAN LEAD TO LOWER TAX, UH, BURDENS ON RESIDENTS WHILE IMPROVING SERVICES AND RESIDENTS. AND I HAVE A CONTACT NUMBER IF YOU WANT. I, I, I, I YOU SEND IT TO ME AND I'LL GET IT TO THE RIGHT STAFF MEMBER. OKAY. OKAY. OTHER THAN THAT, MAYOR, I HOPE YOUR TREE LIVES. I, I HOPE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CHECK IN. YEAH. NEXT MONTH. I'M GONNA ASK YOU DURING YOUR REPORT TO GIVE US . OKAY. I'M SERIOUS. PLEASE DON'T. SO I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK. BE ATTENDANT FREEDOM FRIDA MEETING, UH, ON FOUR SEVEN, THEY GOT, UH, THEY WERE HOPING TO GET A REPORT FROM RETAIL STRATEGY THAT HASN'T COME ABOUT YET. BUT, UM, OUR ELECTRICAL, UH, DEPARTMENT, CARRIE CAME AND, UH, GAVE THEM A VERY FASCINATING, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT OUR TOWN ELECTRICAL GRID. UM, ANSWERED MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SUCH A WONDERFUL STAFF. ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS SIT AND LISTEN TO 'EM. YOU'RE GONNA LEARN SOMETHING. ALSO, MET WITH A GEOLOGIST ON OUR, OUR WATER SOURCE ISSUES. HAULED SOME MULCH DONATED BY THE COUNTY TO THE COMMUNITY GARDEN. UH, PARTICIPATED IN THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THE HANG KIT AND CAR WASH. UM, THE SHOUT OUT TO THOSE FOLKS, UM, WE MET 'EM ALL. THEY HAD ALL THEIR EMPLOYEES THERE, AND I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE FACT THAT THEY PARTNER WITH NONPROFITS AND GIVE MONEY BACK. SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE A GIRL SCOUT TROOP AND THEY SELL CAR WASHES FOR 25 BUCKS, THEY GET 1250 OF EVERY CAR WASH BACK. SO THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. VERY, VERY NICE EMPLOYEES, AND VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE. UH, PARTICIPATED IN A CLEANUP OF OUR GREENWAY. UH, WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO FISH ONE SHOPPING CART OUT OF THE CREEK. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET IN THE CREEK, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE WIDENESS OF THE CREEK. UM, CONGRATULATIONS TO LOCAL, UM, UH, CARS CHANGING LIVES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A MINISTRY OUT OF, UM, AUTO CARE CLINIC. THEY JUST GAVE AWAY CAR NUMBER 70, AND THAT'S TO PEOPLE WHO, UH, IT CHANGES THEIR LIVES, OBVIOUSLY. UH, SATURDAY, UH, RIDING WITH ROTARY OR NEW TOWN MANAGER WAS THERE ON HIS BICYCLE, ALONG WITH, UH, ABOUT 60 OTHER PEOPLE. AND, UH, VERY POSITIVE COMMENTS FROM ALL THE VISITORS HERE. UH, THEY RODE THROUGH WARREN COUNTY AND INTO CLARK AND BACK, UM, VERY, VERY, UH, WELCOMING, VERY, UH, WONDERFUL EVENT. AND LASTLY, ATTENDED A FABULOUS TASTE OF BOOKS, UH, FUNDRAISER AT SAMUELS SATURDAY NIGHT. THANK YOU. [9.C. Report of the Mayor] UH, AMIT. RIGHT? EVERYBODY GOT A CHANCE? OKAY. SO I ALREADY SAID ABOUT WELCOMING MR. PETTY, BUT IT'S IN MY NOTES. I DID WANNA SAY THAT I LOOK FORWARD TO A LONG TENURE YEAR WITH YOU, MR. PETTY. SO THANK YOU FOR COMING ON BOARD. UM, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO SEVERAL THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE. ONE, I ATTENDED THE LAUNCH OF THE HIGH KIDS FOUNDATION, CLOTHED THE KIDS. UM, THIS IS A WONDERFUL INITIATIVE WHERE THEY HOPE TO PROVIDE CLOTHING AND SCHOOL SUPPLIES FOR 200 LOCAL STUDENTS IN AUGUST BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS. UM, THAT DAY THERE WERE SO MANY COMMUNITY PARTNERS THERE TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT. JUST A LITTLE PLUG. THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING A FUNDRAISER ON JUNE 27TH, WHICH IS A DUELING PIANOS DISCO NIGHT. UM, AND THIS IS GONNA BE A BIG NIGHT FOR THEM TO HELP RAISE FUNDS FOR THEIR CLOTHED THE KIDS INITIATIVE. IF YOU CAN ATTEND, BUT WOULD LIKE TO DONATE TO THAT CAUSE PLEASE REACH OUT TO THEM OR ME, AND I CAN GET YOU IN TOUCH WITH THEM. ON APRIL 5TH, I HAD THE PLEASURE TO SAY, UH, WORDS AT THE FRONT ROW, LITTLE LEAGUE OPENING DAY, AND THEN WATCH THE CHALLENGER LEAGUE GAME. UH, THE FIELD WAS PACKED WITH, UH, THAT MORNING WITH BOYS AND GIRLS FROM T-BALL TO SENIOR LEAGUE. UM, SO MANY VOLUNTEERS MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY. ALL THESE CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY WE'RE BLESSED TO HAVE ALL THESE [02:55:01] MEN AND WOMEN WHO GIVE UP THEIR TIME FOR CHILDREN. UH, APRIL 8TH, I SPOKE WITH THE LOCAL BOY SCOUT PAC ONE 18 ABOUT THE ROLE OF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND THE IMPORTANCE OF VOTING. UM, THEY, THEY WERE WORKING TO EARN A PATCH. UM, THEY HAD SOME GREAT QUESTIONS TOO. NOT JUST THE KIDS, BUT EVEN THE PARENTS THAT WERE THERE. UM, ASKED ME LOTS OF QUESTIONS. UH, APRIL 11TH, I ATTENDED THE ANNUAL BARKS AND BAGS EVENT, WHICH IS A FUNDRAISER FOR OUR LOCAL HUMANE SOCIETY. COUNCILMAN, UH, DEE DOMENICO PAYNE MENTIONED THAT. AND SHE AND VICE MAYOR VIAL WERE ALSO THERE. IT WAS ACTUALLY MY FIRST TIME, HOPE IT WON'T BE MY LAST, BUT IT REALLY WAS CRAZY WHAT PEOPLE WILL PAY FOR A PURSE. UM, BUT IT ALL GOES TO A GREAT CAUSE. UM, I THINK ONE OF THE PURSES WENT, IT WAS 5,000, RIGHT? NO, NO, NOT ONE, BUT NOT, NO, NOT YOU. I'M, SHE WON ONE IN THE, IN THE, UH, LIKE A CAKE WALK, BUT IT WAS A PURSE WALK WHERE YOU COULD USE, BUT SOMEBODY, ACTUALLY, IT WAS 5,000, UM, FOR THE PURSE. I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A DIME TO PUT IN IT. IT WAS MATCHED. YEAH. AND IT WAS MATCHED BY, UM, KENNY EVANS. IT WAS MATCHED, SO IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL YELLOW PURSE, I WILL SAY. UM, SO APRIL 17TH, I ATTENDED THE WARREN COUNTY FRONT ROLE LIAISON MEETING. UM, IT WAS SHORT AND SWEET. UH, VICE MAYOR BETHAL WENT, CAME WITH US, CAME WITH ME. UH, THE TOWN WAS THE ONLY ONE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE AGENDA. HOWEVER, THE DISCUSSIONS WERE VALUABLE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THOSE ITEMS, UM, THAT WE SAID WE WERE WANTED TO, UM, WANTED OUR STAFFS TO GET TOGETHER ON. UM, SO HOPEFULLY BEFORE WE HAVE OUR NEXT, THE I MEETING, WE WILL HAVE SOME, UM, SOME RESOLUTION FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS. APRIL 23RD, I ATTENDED THE WARREN COUNTY ADULT RECOVERY COURT MEETING. I WILL TELL YOU, IT IS NO LONGER CALLED DRUG COURT. IT'S CALLED RECOVERY COURT. UM, UH, I'M VERY PLEASED TO HEAR THAT THERE ARE SOME PARTICIPANTS THAT WILL BE READY FOR GRADUATION SOON. UM, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO ATTEND THAT CEREMONY AND CELEBRATE THE HARD WORK THAT THESE PARTICIPANTS PUT INTO THEIR OWN RECOVERY AND TRANSFORMING THEIR FUTURE. YESTERDAY, APRIL 27TH, I HAD THE ABSOLUTE PLEASURE OF ATTENDING LONE PINE DAY, AS SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT. UM, IT WAS TAKE A TREE HOME AGAIN. I DID NOT TAKE A TREE HOME. UM, SO THERE'S A STORY FOR ANOTHER DAY. I WON'T DIGRESS. IT'S THE FOURTH YEAR THIS EVENT. AND IT, AND IT REALLY HAS GROWN EVERY YEAR. UM, IT WAS PACKED. UH, THERE WERE, I BELIEVE, 50 ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE 50 CONSERVATIONIST STYLE, UM, ORGANIZATIONS REPRESENTED THERE. THEY GAVE AWAY 500 TREES. FOUR FREE COUNCILMAN REP RAPPAPORT GOT ONE OF THOSE 500. UM, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ACTUALLY DUE TO A DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY GRANT. UM, TOWN MANAGER PETTY AND I PARTICIPATED IN THE TREE PLANTING, UH, COMMEMORATING ARBOR DAY THIS YEAR. THERE WERE TWO NATIVE TREES PLANTED EASTERN RED BUDS, AND THEY WERE RIGHT BESIDE THE P RIGHT BEHIND THE PAVILION BESIDE THE MAPLE THAT WE PLANTED TWO YEARS AGO. REALLY DOES LOOK NICE, DON'T YOU AGREE? REALLY, REALLY DID LOOK NICE. UM, LONE PINE DAY IS AN EVENT THAT IS SPONSORED BY THE TOWN AND THE ACES COMMITTEE. HOWEVER, ALONG WITH OUR ACES COMMITTEE ARE SO MANY OTHER PARTNERS, SUCH AS THE TREE STEWARDS, THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY, OUR OWN PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, UM, AS WELL AS LIZZIE LEWIS, OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM. I WILL SAY, WITHOUT ALL THE HANDS AND MINDS COMING TOGETHER, THESE TYPES OF EVENTS WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. UH, ROGER BIANCHINI WITH THE ROYAL EXAMINER WROTE AN EXCELLENT ARTICLE. UM, I JUST READ IT TODAY ABOUT THE EVENT IN SOME HISTORY BEHIND, UM, ACES, UM, AND HOW THAT EVOLVED IN OUR COMMUNITY. THERE'S LOTS OF PHOTOS, UM, SO YOU CAN CHECK OUT ON THEIR WEBSITE. UM, I WILL SAY I DID NOT ATTEND THE ROTARY RIDE, BUT I DID SEE LOTS OF PICTURES ABOUT THAT. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR VERY OWN JUSTIN PROCTOR, RIGHT? SO JUSTIN PROCTOR, WHO IS JUST A SUPERHERO IN MY MIND, UM, HE HEADS UP OUR ACES. UM, HE'S ALSO, I BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE ANTI-LITTER ASSOCIATION. AND, UM, HE WAS IN ALL HIS GLORY YESTERDAY. REALLY, REALLY ENJOYED THAT EVENT. BUT HE TOLD ME THAT HE, ANOTHER GENTLEMAN THAT HE INTRODUCED ME TO YESTERDAY WON THE RIDE. RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? THEY HAD THE BEST TIME. THEY FINISHED. THEY FINISHED. OKAY. THEY FINISHED. THAT'S WINNING. THAT'S A WIN. OH, THAT'S A WIN. ESPECIALLY 60 MILES. OKAY. WELL, I, I, I MUST HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD 'CAUSE HE INTRODUCED ME TO, I THOUGHT HE SAID THEY, YEAH. OKAY, NEVERMIND. GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. ANYWAY, THAT'S IT. [10. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS] MOVING ON. ITEM 10 IS THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. I DO WANNA RE REMIND EVERYBODY, [03:00:01] REGARDLESS OF THE MOTION THAT ITEM 10 D IS NOT A CHEVROLET FOUR BY FOUR TRUCK CHASSIS. IT IS A FORD FOUR BY FOUR TRUCK. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNSEL, APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, ROLL CALL. WHO SECOND? I'M SORRY. JOSH. JOSH. OKAY. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN SETLOCK? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DE DEMON PAINT? YES. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. AND ONE OF THOSE ITEMS JUST TO SAY I ALWAYS LIKE TO MENTION MARIA DUTTON IS, UH, BEING REAPPOINTED TO THE BZA. WE REALLY DEPEND ON OUR CITIZENS TO SERVE ON THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO THANK YOU TO THOSE THAT ARE WILLING. THERE ARE NO, THERE ARE NO BUSINESS ITEMS. [12. CLOSED MEETING] UM, SO NEXT UP WOULD BE OUR CLOSED MEETING. I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES, ONE PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, OR INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY, MORE SPECIFICALLY THE TOWN ATTORNEY. AND TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL. MORE SPECIFICALLY, A STORMWATER ISSUE ON WEST COMMONWEALTH DRIVE AND THE INSOLVENCY AND THE DISPOSITION OF ASSETS, INCLUDING THE AVTEC PROPERTY OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN VIRGINIA. EXACTLY. ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN WOOD. YES. VICE MAYOR AL. YES. COUNCILMAN SEA LOCK? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN THE DEMON PAYNE? YES. YEAH. OKAY. WE ARE NOW ENCLOSED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.