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SO WE'RE MATCHING.[Town Council Work Session on April 14, 2025.]
I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE FRONT ROLL TOWN COUNSEL WORK SESSION FOR APRIL 14TH TO ORDER.MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU DO ROLL CALL? MAYOR RE HERE.
OUR FIRST, I, WELL, BEFORE I EVEN GET STARTED, I JUST WANNA WELCOME MR. PETTY TO THE OTHER END OF THE TABLE THERE.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING OUR, UM, WONDERFUL STAFF HERE.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
LET'S HOPE YOU, I WAS GONNA SAY SOMETHING HUMOROUS AND SAY, I HOPE YOU LOOK FORWARD, I HOPE A YEAR FROM NOW YOU LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING THAT.
UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, TONIGHT IS AMP.
UM, THIS IS THE 20 25, 20 26 POWER COST PROJECTION PRESENTATION, AND IT'S BY MR.
AND, UM, I GUESS WE, THERE'S NO DRINKING INVOLVED TONIGHT AS FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE BRINGING, UH, MR. CRAIG KLEINE FROM AMP TO DISCUSS OUR POWER SUPPLY UPDATE.
UM, WE MIGHT BE HAVING A, WELL, WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING A RATE INCREASE OF, HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE REASONS WHY AND GIVE YOU ALL A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF OUR PORTFOLIO.
UH, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
UM, LIKE CARRIE SAID, I'M CRAIG KLEINS.
I'M WITH AMERICAN MUNICIPAL POWER.
UM, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT AMERICAN MUNICIPAL POWER IS.
WE'RE A COLLECTION OF 135 DIFFERENT MUNICIPALS JUST LIKE YOURSELF.
UM, SO WE'RE A NON-FOR-PROFIT, UH, GOVERNMENT ENTITY THAT, THAT BASICALLY AGGREGATES, UM, ALL, ALL DIFFERENT MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC UTILITIES SO THAT WE CAN DO THINGS ON BULK, UM, LIKE SOME OF THE STUFF WE'LL TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO, UM, SO I DO HAVE A POWERPOINT, UH, PRESENTATION WALKTHROUGH HERE.
UH, KIND OF HIT SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL GET INTO THE, UH, CAPACITY.
UH, THE REASON WHY I'M HERE IS THAT CAPACITY COST INCREASE.
SO STARTING OFF, UH, THREE MAJOR TYPES OF POWER CHARGES, THERE'S ENERGY TRANSMISSION AND INSTALLED CAPACITY ENERGY.
THAT ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE SIMPLE.
THE MORE POWER YOU USE, THE, UM, THE MORE WE HAVE TO PURCHASE.
SO YOU GUYS DEAL IN CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR.
SO TONIGHT I'LL, I'LL, UM, EVEN IF IT SAYS DOLLARS PER MEGAWATT HOUR, I'LL JUST SAY THE CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR.
AND ENERGY'S ABOUT 75% OF OUR OVERALL WHOLESALE POWER COSTS.
WHEN YOU GUYS ARE BUYING POWER, I'M, WHEN YOU GET YOUR FAILED PERMIT, IT'S ABOUT 75%.
SO THAT LEAVES THE QUESTION OF IF THAT'S 75%, WHAT'S THE OTHER 25? BUT WE HAVE TWO OTHER MAJOR COSTS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY TRANSMISSION AND INSTALLED.
CAPACITY TRANSMISSION IS THE COST OF BUILDING AND MAINTAINING THE HIGH VOLTAGE POWER LINES.
SO IF YOU DRIVE AROUND VIRGINIA AND YOU SEE THOSE REALLY BIG TRANSMISSION LINES, WE'RE USING THOSE.
AND SO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT.
THAT COST GOES TO LOCAL, TO THE LOCAL INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY.
UM, AND THAT'S ABOUT 10% OF OUR OVERALL COST, UM, FOR THE TOWN'S ELECTRIC.
THE OTHER THIRD COST IS INSTALLED CAPACITY.
THIS IS A RELIABILITY CHARGE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH POWER PLANTS OUT THERE AT THE TIME OF THE PEAK.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT A REALLY, REALLY HOT DAY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF POWER.
THERE'S A LOT OF AIR CONDITIONERS RUNNING, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S A HOT DAY.
YOU NEED TO HAVE A LOT OF POWER PLANTS TO SUPPLY POWER TO ALL THOSE AIR CONDITIONERS.
WELL, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH POWER PLANTS FOR THAT REALLY HOT DAY? YOU DON'T WANNA WAIT TILL THAT REALLY HOT DAY AND COUNT HOW MANY POWER PLANTS YOU HAVE AND BE LIKE, OOPS, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.
AND SO THEY HAVE A MARKET, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, SO THEY HAVE A MARKET CALLED INSTALLED CAPACITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH GENERATION AT THE TIME OF THE PEAK.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT LATER TONIGHT, WHERE THAT'S BEEN A VERY LOW COST ITEM AND THAT IS GREATLY INCREASING AND GOING FORWARD, WE'RE EXPECTING THAT TO BE ABOUT 15% OF YOUR OVERALL WHOLESALE POWER COSTS.
BUT BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT TRANSMISSION SOLID CAPACITY, I DO WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT OTHER 75%.
UM, THIS IS A CHART OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PLACES THAT YOU'RE GETTING POWER FROM.
AND YOU NOTICE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WEDGES HERE, AND THAT'S BY DESIRE.
IT'S JUST LIKE YOUR RETIREMENT PORTFOLIO.
YOU DON'T WANNA PUT ALL THAT IN ONE STOCK.
THIS IS THE SAME THING WITH THE, UH, THE TOWN'S ELECTRIC SUPPLY.
WE WANNA DIVERSIFY WHERE WE'RE GETTING OUR POWER FROM.
SO SOME BIG ONES, I WANT TO POINT OUT, THE BOTTOM LEFT THAT ORANGE, THAT'S PRAIRIE STATE.
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THE BOTTOM HERE, THIS PURPLE, UM, THAT STANDS FOR AMP FREMONT ENERGY CENTER.THAT'S A NATURAL GAS POWER PLANT.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT GREEN UP MELD ALL AMP HYDRO, THOSE ARE ALL HYDROELECTRIC FACILITIES.
WHEN WE TOOK LOOK AT THE TOP LEFT, YOU CAN SEE, UM, AMP, SOLAR PHASE TWO.
THAT INCLUDES THE SOLAR, SOME OF THE SOLAR THAT IS IN THE TOWN HERE, AS WELL AS WE HAVE A COUPLE OF WIND CONTRACTS.
AND THEN UP TO THE TOP RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'VE JUST BOUGHT MARKET CONTRACTS.
SO, UM, SOME OF THESE ARE A GENERATION THAT YOU GUYS OWN.
SOME OF THESE ARE GENERATION YOU GUYS HAVE CONTRACTED FOR.
AND THEN SOME OF THESE WE'VE BOUGHT STRAIGHT FROM THE MARKET.
IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS SHOWS THAT SAME PIE CHART, BUT IT SHOWS IT OVER TIME.
AND YOU CAN SEE THESE LONG BLOCKS HERE, LIKE DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM.
THAT'S THE COAL PLANT, THE HYDRO AND BLUE, THE NATURAL GAS AND RED, THE, UH, SOLAR AND YELLOW.
YOU CAN SEE THOSE ALL CONTINUE WELL INTO THE FUTURE.
I WAS HERE LAST FALL AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE BLUE CREEK WIND CONTRACT.
AND SINCE THEN WE'VE EXECUTED THAT CONTRACT THAT GOES NOW OUT THROUGH 2029.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE SOME OTHER PURCHASES THAT WE HAVE THERE.
RED AND WHITE IS OPEN POSITION.
SO WE TRY TO GET YOU GUYS TO THE POINT WHERE YOU HAVE ABOUT 90% OF YOUR POWER LOCKED IN.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE FOR THIS YEAR.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF NEED, UH, FOR 2026 AND 27.
THAT'S MOSTLY IN THE SUMMER AND THE WINTERTIME WHERE WE'LL BE LOOKING TO PURCHASE SOME BLOCKS FOR THAT FOR JUST THE SUMMER AND WINTER RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HOLD OFF UNTIL LATER IN 2025 TO PURCHASE THOSE.
UM, I'LL KIND OF SHOW WHY WE'RE HOLDING OFF AND THAT'S BECAUSE, UM, THE PRICES HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT UP RECENTLY UNTIL I PUT TOGETHER THIS CHART.
AND AS SOON AS I PUT TOGETHER THIS CHART AND WE HAD ALL THESE TARIFF ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRICES HAVE COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UH, THIS IS THE PRICE OF POWER FOR 2026 HERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S COME DOWN, UH, THROUGH LAST SUMMER AND THEN SINCE LAST SUMMER, ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH LAST THROUGH THE WINTERTIME AND THE SPRING PRICES HAVE BEEN INCREASING.
CUT A LITTLE BIT OF A DIP HERE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T LOCKED IN.
YOUR FINAL NEEDS FOR 2026 YET IS WE KIND OF WATCHED THIS.
UM, AND WE'LL PROBABLY LOOK TO BE DOING SOMETHING, UM, EITHER THIS SUMMER OR LATER THIS FALL TO LOOK IN LOCKING IN THAT LAST LITTLE BIT OF POWER FOR, UH, 2026.
BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, YOU GUYS ARE, YOU KNOW, UP OVER 80% HEDGE.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THAT LAST, YOU KNOW, 10, 15% ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
JUST, UH, UM, BASICALLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, A LITTLE BIT OF, OF WINTER POWER AND SUMMER POWER IS WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT.
UM, THAT'S THE SAME AMOUNTS AS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IN 2025.
UM, LOOKING TO DO THAT LATER THIS YEAR.
AND IT DOESN'T, UM, IMPORTANT NOTE HERE, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE OR REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION.
SO WE HAVE TO GET LEGISLATION FROM YOU GUYS FOR ANYTHING THAT'S A YEAR OR LONGER.
BUT WHEN WE'RE MAKING THESE MONTHLY BLOCK PURCHASES, WE JUST HAVE TO GET, UH, EMAIL APPROVAL, UM, TO DO THOSE SHORTER TERM PURCHASES.
THE PRICE, THE THING THAT SAYS PRICES ARE CURRENTLY SLIGHTLY ELEVATED.
UM, UH, OH, IT DOES SAY FOUR 14.
THE OTHER ONE SAID FOUR SEVEN.
THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, SO THAT, THAT'S TODAY.
YEAH, AND, AND, AND HONESTLY, UM, JUST THE LAST TWO DAYS SINCE I DID MY UPDATE TO THE, THE ORIGINAL PRICES HAVE COME DOWN WITH, WITH THE TARIFFS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY.
IT'S STILL ELEVATED FROM ONE PAPER STILL.
UM, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOOKED RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY PUT PICKING UP SOME POWER FOR SOME OF OUR MEMBERS FOR THE FALL.
UH, PRICES REALLY HAVEN'T DROPPED ENOUGH FOR NEXT YEAR THAT WE THINK IT'S A GOOD TIME TO BUY FOR THAT YET.
IT'S BEEN A WILD COUPLE OF DAYS HERE IN THE MARKET.
SO
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S THE ENERGY SIDE, THAT'S THAT 75% OF YOUR OVERALL BILL.
NOW WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE OTHER 25.
UM, AND I, BEFORE I GO INTO CAPACITY, I DID WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON TRANSMISSION COSTS.
UM, THIS RED HERE BAR IS HOW MUCH YOU ARE PAYING FOR TRANSMISSION AS A COMPONENT OF YOUR OVERALL RATE.
AND THIS IS IN DOLLARS PER MEGAWATT HOUR.
BUT WHEN WE LOOK HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE FOR 2025 IT SAYS $11, THAT'S 1.10 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR.
SO, UM, ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, 10% OF YOUR OVERALL WHOLESALE POWER COSTS, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S BEEN INCREASING AS THEY'VE BEEN FOCUSING MORE ON INVESTMENT IN THE TRANSMISSION LINES.
AS YOU DRIVE AROUND, YOU MIGHT SEE THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING MORE WORK ON THE TRANSMISSION LINES THAT, UM, CREATES HIGHER COSTS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WE TRACK IS WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR PEAK HOUR OF THE YEAR, THAT'S HOW TRANSMISSION IS SET.
YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR WHATEVER YOUR LOAD IS DURING APSS PEAK HOUR OF THE YEAR.
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THAT'S BEEN IN THE WINTERTIME THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.UH, WE BUDGET FOR THAT, UM, BECAUSE YOUR LOAD, UM, IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER, UM, IN THE WINTER TIME.
AND SO WHEN THE PEAK IS IN THE WINTER TIME, WE SEE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER TRANSMISSION RATES.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD SEE LOWER RATES IN 2026.
UM, BUT WE, WE TRY TO STAY CONSERVATIVE AND BUDGET HIGHER TRANSMISSION COSTS JUST IN CASE.
I'M GONNA ASK A STRANGE QUESTION.
I HOPE IT'S NOT STUPID, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S GONE UP, GONE.
RIGHT? BUT ISN'T THAT, COULD THAT STILL BE CONSISTENT WITH INFLATION TOO? BECAUSE THE, WHOEVER, YOU KNOW, THEIR WORKERS, THEIR MATERIALS, LIKE, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO TRANSMISSION'S BEEN GOING UP AROUND 10 TO 15% A YEAR.
I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN SOME YEARS WHERE WE'VE HAD CLOSER TO THAT, BUT, UM, TRANSMISSION'S REALLY BEEN GOING UP, UM, ACROSS ALL OF THE AREAS THAT WE SEE BY ABOUT THAT MUCH FOR THE LAST, UM, IT'S BEEN ALMOST 10 YEARS NOW.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UH, WHEN YOU GO BACK 10, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GO BACK ABOUT 20 YEARS OR SO, A LOT OF THE BIG UTILITIES, THEY OWN POWER PLANTS AND TRANSMISSION LINES, AND THEIR BIG BUSINESS WAS THE POWER PLANTS.
THEY'VE GOTTEN OUT OF THAT BUSINESS.
UM, THE POWER PLANTS WEREN'T MAKING IN THEM AS MUCH MONEY, AND SO THEY ARE JUST NOW FOCUSED ON THE TRANSMISSION LINES.
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT'S AN AREA OF THEIR BUSINESS THEY WEREN'T REALLY FOCUSED ON FOR A WHILE.
AND SO NOW THEY'RE MORE FOCUSED ON IT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THE MAJOR TRANSMISSION LINES IN OUR COUNTRY, THEY WERE PUT IN IN THE FIFTIES, SIXTIES, SEVENTIES.
AND SO NOW THEY'RE GETTING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 30, 40, 50 YEARS OLD.
SO A LOT OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS DUE FOR, UM, MAINTENANCE.
UM, SO THAT'S PART OF, SO SOME OF THAT IS INFLATION AND THAT'S DEFINITELY HIT THE ELECTRIC SECTOR.
UM, BUT SOME OF IT IS THEY ARE NOW MORE, THE TRANSMISSION COMPANIES ARE NOW MORE FOCUSED ON, ON UPGRADING THEIR TRANSMISSION INFRASTRUCTURE.
IS THIS BEING DRIVEN BY DATA CENTER? UM, SO YES AND NO.
SO WE HAVEN'T SEEN A BIG IMPACT IN THE TRANSMISSION RATE, UH, FOR DATA CENTERS YET.
NOW, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN THE DATA CENTERS ARE GOING IN, THEY'RE GOING IN ON AREAS OF THE TRANSMISSION GRID THAT DON'T NEED A LOT OF UPGRADES.
UM, YEAH, THEY HAVE TO PUT A SUBSTATION IN.
UM, BUT WHEN THOSE, THOSE DATA CENTERS COME IN, THEY'RE ALSO PAYING A TRANSMISSION BILL SO THEY BECOME A CUSTOMER JUST LIKE YOU GUYS ARE.
SO THAT COULD ACTUALLY ALSO HELP.
SO WE'RE NOT REALLY SEEING A MAJOR IMPACT IN TRANSMISSION COSTS.
UM, BUT WHAT I'M ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT NEXT, THE CAPACITY COST, THAT RELIABILITY CHARGE, THAT'S BY FAR AND AWAY WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE BIGGEST IMPACT OF THESE DATA CENTERS COMING IN.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S CREATING A HUGE ISSUE.
NOW, COULD IT, UM, THERE IS CONCERN OF, YOU KNOW, HOW RELIABLE ARE THESE TRANS, THESE DATA CENTERS, THEY'RE BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE TO SERVE THESE DATA CENTERS? ARE THEY GOING TO BE HERE AND 10, 20 YEARS FROM NOW? THAT'S, THAT'S AN UNKNOWN QUESTION.
AND, BUT THEY ARE BUILDING, AND IF THEY'RE NOT HERE TO PAY THE TRANSMISSION BILL, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LEFT ARE GONNA PAY IT, WHICH MEANS ALL OF US
BUT THAT'S MORE OF A, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
I WAS GONNA WAIT A COUPLE SLIDES AND THEN ASK IT BECAUSE I WAS ASKING SO MANY, BUT I'M GLAD YOU DID ASK THAT BECAUSE THAT'S CERTAINLY ON EVERYBODY'S MIND.
YOU KNOW, I, I'M FROM COLUMBUS AND WHERE I LIVE, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO BIG, IN THE EASTERN UNITED STATES, THERE'S TWO BIG REGIONS RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S SEEING TONS OF DATA CENTERS.
ONE IS COLUMBUS AND THE OTHER IS THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
AND, UM, WHEN I WAS FLYING IN THIS AFTERNOON, IT WAS, YOU COULD SEE AND DRIVING OVER, YOU COULD SEE ALL OF THESE DATA CENTERS.
SOME OF THEM ARE EXISTING, SOME OF THEM UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND THAT IS A BIG AVENUE FOR CHANGE.
UM, THAT'S REALLY IN JUST THE LAST TWO YEARS REALLY TAKEN OFF.
UM, THIS IS JUST A MAP OF PJM.
SO WHEN WE WE'RE GONNA START TALKING ABOUT PJM HERE, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ORGANIZE THE MARKET, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COLORED AREAS ARE ALL DIFFERENT INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES, UM, OR ELECTRIC COMPANIES THAT ARE IN PJM.
SO PJM GOES FROM NEW JERSEY ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE THROUGH VIRGINIA, ALL THE WAY OUT TO CHICAGO.
IT ACTUALLY INCLUDES CHICAGO AS WELL.
SO IT'S A PRETTY BIG GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
WHAT PJM DOES IS THEY TELL EVERYBODY WHAT TO DO, AND PRIMARILY THEY DO THAT THROUGH MARKETS.
THEY REPORT TO FERC, WHICH IS PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY.
UM, SO THEY'RE BASICALLY KIND OF LIKE THE TRAFFIC COP.
THEY TRY TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS RUNNING, UH, SMOOTHLY.
AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS ON THE ENERGY SIDE.
THEY'RE THE ONES TELLING ALL THE POWER PLANTS WHEN TO TURN ON AND WHEN TO TURN OFF.
THE WAY THEY DO THAT IS THROUGH THE PRICE.
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GO UP, BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE TURNING ON LIGHTS, THEY ESCALATE THE PRICE OF POWER THAT GETS POWER PLANTS TO RAMP UP.WHEN THE LOADS GO DOWN OVERNIGHT, THEY LOWER THE PRICE OF POWER, POWER PLANTS TURN OFF.
SO THEY ARE THE ONES SETTING THAT PRICE OF POWER EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF THEIR MARKETS.
UM, THE NEXT, THE OTHER BIG EXAMPLE IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT NEXT IS RELIABILITY.
SO PJM NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LIGHTS STAY ON, NOT JUST TONIGHT, BUT THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GONNA STAY ON FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE START TALKING ABOUT THE INSTALLED CAPACITY MARKET.
LIKE I SAID, PJM DOESN'T OWN ANYTHING, SO HOW ARE THEY GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S POWER PLANTS AROUND FOR THE PEAKS IN THE FUTURE YEARS? WELL, THEY'RE GONNA PAY THOSE POWER PLANTS AND THEY'RE GONNA PAY THAT THROUGH THEIR INSTALLED CAPACITY MARKET.
SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY HAVE AN AUCTION, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THAT AUCTION THREE YEARS IN ADVANCE.
THAT WAY THERE'S TIME TO REACT FOR THE MARKETS.
SO THEY SAY IN THREE YEARS FROM NOW, WE THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA NEED A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS WORTH OF POWER DURING THE PEAK, AND SO THEY HAVE A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS WORTH OF POWER PLANTS THEN BID TO SERVE THAT, THAT LOAD.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA BUY POWER, IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE AROUND ON THOSE REALLY HOT DAYS OR COLD DAYS TO GENERATE POWER.
SO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HOLD THESE AUCTIONS THREE YEARS IN ADVANCE.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING FOR A WHILE.
BUT THEN WE STARTED HAVING ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE RULES.
UM, THERE WAS ARGUMENTS AROUND HOW TO TREAT SUBSIDIZED POWER PLANTS.
UM, THAT WAS A BIG ARGUMENT, UM, THAT DELAYED AUCTIONS.
SO, UM, WE DID, WE HAD THIS PERIOD FOR OF ALMOST A COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE THEY DIDN'T RUN AN AUCTION WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO 'CAUSE THEY WERE DELAYING.
AND THEY FINALLY RAN AN AUCTION, UM, LAST JULY.
AND WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THAT AUCTION THAT'S GONNA START IMPACTING OUR COST HERE SOON.
BUT, UM, THE NEXT TWO AUCTIONS IS THEY'RE GONNA HOLD ANOTHER ONE THIS JULY, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA HOLD ANOTHER ONE IN DECEMBER.
NOW, WHY THEY'RE HOLDING IT EVERY SIX MONTHS IS BECAUSE THEY'RE BEHIND.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THREE YEARS IN ADVANCE RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE ONLY ABOUT 10 MONTHS IN ADVANCE, SO THEY NEED TO PLAY CATCH UP.
OKAY, SO ONE MORE THING BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT THE RESULTS.
WHAT CAN WE DO AS LOAD, RIGHT? WELL, WE'RE HAVING TO BUY PJM IS OUT THERE BUYING CAPACITY ON OUR BEHALF, BUT IF WE HAVE GENERATION ASSETS, WE CAN SELL THOSE INTO THE AUCTION TO OFFSET OUR COSTS.
SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT PIE CHART I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN THE, YOU KNOW, I SHOWED IN THE BEGINNING WE HAVE PRAIRIE STATE OF COAL PLANT, WE HAVE A NATURAL GAS PLANT, THESE HYDRO PLANTS, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT RESOURCES THAT WE CAN SELL INTO THE AUCTION TO HELP OFFSET YOUR COST.
AND THAT CAN BE REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE SHOW THE IMPACT TO THE TOWN.
SO WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
SO WE CAN SEE THIS IS, UM, THE CAPACITY PRICE OVER TIME.
AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IT WAS SLIGHTLY ELEVATED.
THAT'S HOW WE, WE HAD A LOT OF COAL PLANTS RETIRING, CAUSING SOME SLIGHTLY ELEVATED COSTS HERE TO THE LEFT.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THIS PERIOD OF DECLINING WHILE WE'RE BUILDING A LOT OF NATURAL GAS POWER PLANTS HERE THAT HELPED TO PUSH DOWN COST EVEN THOUGH THE COAL WAS RETIRING, WE WERE REPLACING THAT WITH NATURAL GAS, AND YOU COULD SEE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOT TO THESE REALLY LOW PRICES, THIS LOWEST PRICE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLAYING PAYING TODAY, AND THAT PRICE LASTS THROUGH TILL THE END OF MAY.
THEN LAST YEAR, AFTER A COUPLE YEAR, A COUPLE YEARS DELAY, THEY FINALLY RAN THE 25 26 AUCTION.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT WENT FROM 90 CENTS ALL THE WAY UP TO $8 AND 21 CENTS A KILOWATT MONTH.
A HUGE INCREASE THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE
SO WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THERE, BUT BEFORE I DO, I WANT TO SAY WHAT THE IMPACT IS TO THE TOP.
THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE REAL BIG THING HERE.
SO I'VE GOT TWO BARS ON THIS GRAPH, A WHITE BAR AND A RED BAR.
THE WHITE BAR IS HOW MUCH CAPACITY IS IMPACTING YOUR OVERALL BILL IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL THOSE POWER PLANTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER MM-HMM
SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING'S DOWN HERE IN THIS $1 MEGAWATT HOUR, THAT'S 0.10 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR.
SO VERY LITTLE IMPACT, BUT STARTING IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, CAPACITY WOULD BE ADDING ALMOST 2.3, 2.40 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR TO YOUR OVERALL WHOLESALE POWER COSTS.
BUT YOU GUYS HAVE SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT RESOURCES TO HELP TO OFFSET THAT COST.
SO THE ACTUAL IMPACT IS CLOSER TO 1.40 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR.
SO THAT'S, UM, A PRETTY, YOU KNOW, A, UH, ALMOST A WHOLE SET A KILOWATT HOUR THAT HAVING ALL THOSE GENERATION ASSETS ARE HELPING TO PROTECT YOU GUYS FROM THOSE HIGHER CAPACITY COSTS.
SO IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT HEDGE BECAUSE YOU GUYS STILL HAVE SOME
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PEAK, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY NEEDS, ESPECIALLY ON THE PEAKING SIDE.UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE A A, A GOOD CHUNK OF IT IS LOWER.
THIS BECOMES IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY AROUND YOU, THEY'RE MORE SUBJECTIVE TO THIS WHITE BAR ON THE INVESTOR ROOM.
UTILITIES, THEY DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE GENERATION, RIGHT? LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE GOTTEN OUT OF THE GENERATION BUSINESS MOSTLY, AND SO THEY'RE MUCH MORE SUBJECTIVE TO MARKET RATES.
SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
SO WHAT HAPPENED? UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS RECENT AUCTION, UH, THE TOTAL COST THAT ALL, YOU KNOW, THAT BIG MAP OF AREA OF OF PJM, THAT'S GONNA BE PAYING $14.7 BILLION IN CAPACITY TO GIVE YOU, UM, THIS, THIS, THIS YEAR.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ONLY PAYING 2.3 BILLION, SO AN INCREASE OF $12 BILLION.
UM, TO GIVE A SENSE OF HOW BIG THAT WAS, THE AVERAGE RATE IMPACT TO THE WAY A CUSTOMER IN PJM IS 2.60 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR LAST YEAR CAPACITY ADDED ABOUT HALF A CENT A KILOWATT HOUR.
SO IT'S OVER A 2 CENT A KILOWATT HOUR INCREASE THAT'S GONNA BE AFFECTING PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY IN THAT PJM AREA.
UM, THE, THE, WHEN WE BOIL THAT DOWN, THAT'S ABOUT $300 A YEAR FOR AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD.
UM, INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY AND CO-OP RATES.
UM, EVERYBODY'S SEEING THIS IMPACT.
UM, SO THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO YOU GUYS.
IN FACT, YOU GUYS ARE MORE PROTECTED, LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE GENERATION ASSETS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE.
UM, SO A LITTLE BIT OF A LESS IMPACT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S NOT AN IMPACT, IT JUST MEANS IT'S BEEN LESS.
SO WHAT HAPPENED? LIKE, WHY DID IT CHANGE SO MUCH? WELL, THERE'S SEVERAL, SEVERAL THINGS.
UM, AND I'LL BE TALKING IN MEGAWATTS HERE TO GIVE YOU AN OVERALL CONTEXT OF PEAK.
THAT WHOLE PJM AREA, THE PEAK LOAD IS AROUND 155,000 MEGAWATTS.
SO WE HAD SEVERAL THINGS THAT HAPPENED.
THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED WAS AN INCREASE IN THE LOAD FORECAST OVER OF 3000 MEGAWATTS.
WHAT CAUSED THAT? THAT WAS THE DATA CENTERS.
UM, THAT WAS, AND THAT'S JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG OF THE DATA CENTERS.
THAT'S JUST THE ONES THAT HAD COME ON THAT WERE COMING ONLINE.
THEY INCREASED THEIR RESERVE MARGIN OR THEIR SAFETY MARGIN.
THIS IS, UH, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE SAFETY MARGIN, IT'S HOW MANY POWER PLANTS DO YOU HAVE IN RESERVE? RIGHT? AND BACK DURING WINTER STORM ELLIOT, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THEY GOT DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO LOSING THE GRID.
THIS REALLY SCARED PJM, AND THEY SAID, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE MORE POWER PLANTS AT THE TIME OF THE PEAK.
WE'RE GONNA INCREASE OUR SAFETY MARGIN.
SO THEY INCREASED IT, UM, BY ONLY A COUPLE PERCENTAGE POINTS, BUT THAT ENDS UP ADDING ANOTHER 4,000 MEGAWATTS OF NEED.
AND WE HAD THE IMPACTS FROM THE GENERATION.
WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF POWER PLANTS ANNOUNCED RETIREMENT, 6,000 MEGAWATTS AND ONLY 110 MEGAWATTS OF NEW GENERATION CLEARED IN THE AUCTION.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS NOBODY'S REALLY BUILDING COMBINED CYCLE PLANTS LEASED UP THROUGH THE LAST AUCTION, AND THERE'S A LOT OF RENEWABLE POWER PLANTS, BUT FOR A WHOLE BIG DIFFERENT FROM REGULATORY REA REGION REASONS TO POLITICAL REASONS, THOSE ARE GETTING HELD UP.
UM, AND SO WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE MUCH NEW GENERATION BEING, UH, CLEARED IN THE LATEST AUCTION.
THE LAST THING THEY HAVE IS THIS THING CALLED ELCC, UM, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT BASICALLY IT LOOKS AT THE RISK OF THE UNITS.
SO IF YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF NATURAL GAS UNITS, UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT INDIVIDUALLY PERFORM WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE LOSE THE WHOLE NATURAL GAS SYSTEM? SO THEY, THEY, THEY ADDED, UM, THIS ELCC THING THAT ADDED ANOTHER ALMOST, UH, WELL, 2,600, UH, MEGAWATTS OF ADDITIONAL SUPPLY NEED.
WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL OF THAT IN, IN COMBINED, THAT'S 15,000 MEGAWATTS OF A DECREASE.
THAT'S A 10% DECREASE IN ONE YEAR OF GENERATION RESOURCES, WHICH THAT'S A LOT OF OF GENERATION TO GO AWAY IN JUST ONE YEAR.
NOW, NOT ALL OF THAT WAS RETIREMENT.
SOME OF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NEW LOAD, SOME OF IT WAS INCREASING THE SAFETY MARGIN AND THEN DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT THIS IS WHAT CAUSED THE HIGHER PRICES IS THIS BIG OF AN IMPACT IN ONE YEAR.
YOU DID SAY THE DATA CENTER PART WAS PART OF THE, UM, INCREASED LOAD FORECAST.
SO THAT'S THAT THE AUCTION WE JUST HAD LAST JULY.
SO THE QUESTION BECOMES WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE FUTURE AUCTIONS? SO WHEN WE LOOK, THE NEXT AUCTION IS SCHEDULED TO RUN THIS JULY, JULY, THE 26 27 AUCTION.
SO THAT THE PRICE THAT THE AUCTION THAT CLEARED LAST YEAR, THAT IS FOR, UH, JUNE OF THIS YEAR THROUGH MAY OF NEXT YEAR.
THE AUCTION THAT RUNS THIS JULY IS GONNA BE FOR 20 MAY OF 20 JUNE OF 26 THROUGH MAY OF 27TH.
SO THEY'VE ALREADY ANNOUNCED A COUPLE OF CHANGES.
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UM, THEY RECENTLY INCREASED THEIR RESERVE MARGIN AGAIN FROM, UM, UP ANOTHER 7.3%.THEY'VE UPPED THEIR LOAD FORECAST ANOTHER 3.5%.
AS THESE DATA CENTERS START TO COME ONLINE, MORE AND MORE OF 'EM, THEY'RE RAISING THEIR LOAD FORECAST OF HOW MANY POWER PLANTS THEY'RE GONNA NEED.
UM, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE TWO THINGS, THAT MEANS THEY'RE GONNA NEED ANOTHER 12,000 MEGAWATTS TO CLEAR IN THE NEXT AUCTION IN ORDER FOR THE PRICE TO STAY FLAT.
YOU MAKING OUT, I JUST JUST WANNA MAKE SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK ABOUT LIKE DATA CENTERS.
THE THOUGHT IS IS THAT IF IT'S NOT IN YOUR AREA, THEN IT'S NOT IMPACTING YOU.
AM I, AM I COMPREHENDING THIS TO SAY THAT EVEN IF IT'S NOT IN OUR AREA, IT'S DEFINITELY IMPACTING US.
RIGHT? IT'S DEFINITELY IMPACTING US.
IT'S GONNA IMPACT WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR ELECTRICITY.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE CAPACITY MARKETS, THAT HUGE MAP THAT GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO CHICAGO, THAT WHOLE AREA IS IMPACTED BY DATA CENTERS THAT ARE GETTING INSTALLED IN OHIO AND YOU KNOW, EASTERN VIRGINIA AND ALL OVER.
AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE NUMBER ONE, NORTHERN VIRGINIA IS NUMBER ONE.
NORTHERN VIRGINIA IS THE NUMBER ONE AREA OF THESE DATA CENTERS COMING IN.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS OF OF EASE OF BEING ABLE TO INTERSECT WITH THE TRANSMISSION GRID.
WHAT'S THE INTERNET SPEED? CAN YOU CONNECT TO THE FIBER, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, LAND.
AND THEN ALSO YOUR PROXIMITY TO THE EAST COAST AND THE, YOU KNOW, WASHINGTON DC ALL HELPS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUT IN OHIO, YOU KNOW, COLUMBUS, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY ONCE AGAIN A LOT OF THOSE THINGS, BUT WE'RE ALSO KIND OF SITTING GEOGRAPHICALLY CLOSE TO THE POPULATION CENTER OF THE, OF THE EAST COAST.
SO A LOT OF THE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS IN OUR AREA ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SECURITY AND AIRSPACE SAFETY THAT'S REQUIRED FOR DATA CENTERS.
YOU HAVE REAGAN, DULLES, AND BWI AND NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
AND YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, SORRY, KEEP GOING OFF.
DO YOU SEE THAT CHANGING FOR THE, FOR THE BETTER OR FOR THE WORSE? SO SOME OF THE RE ONE OF THE BIGGEST REGULATORY ISSUES IS BACK WITH PJM TO CONNECT TO THE TRANSMISSION GRID, YOU HAVE TO GET A STUDY.
UM, THEY GOT OVERWHELMED BY ALL OF THIS RENEWABLE GENERATION SAYING THEY WANTED TO BUILD.
UM, AND SO THEY GOT BACKED UP WITH THEIR STUDIES.
THE HARD PART WITH THAT IS IT WAS ALL OF THESE LITTLE POWER PLANTS, THESE LITTLE SMALL RENEWABLE PROJECTS, AND SOME OF THEM WERE GETTING BUILT, SOME OF THEM WEREN'T, BUT THEY ALL WERE APPLYING AND IT BACKED EVERYTHING UP.
THEY'RE WORKING TO CLEAR THAT BACKLOG.
SO THAT'S ON THAT REGULATORY SIDE.
UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO STARTING TO SEE ON A SOLAR IN PARTICULAR, A LOT MORE PUSHBACK, UM, FROM LOCAL OPPOSITION TO SOLAR FACILITIES.
THAT'S, THAT'S STARTING TO MAKE THINGS MORE DIFFICULT ON THE LOCAL REGULATORY, UH, SIDE.
SO, UM, YOU GUYS AREN'T AFFECTED DIRECTLY BY ANY OF THAT, THAT'S JUST MORE ON A HIGHER LEVEL.
UM, YOU KNOW, UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING ACROSS THE WHOLE REGION, AND I THINK WE WERE TOLD AT ONE OF THESE THAT SOLAR WAS NOT NECESSARILY THE, UM, MOST EFFECTIVE, UM, FOR ENERGY ANYWAY, RIGHT? WELL, ESPECIALLY FOR CAPACITY.
SO THIS LEADS ME INTO THE, SO WHEN WE LOOK THIS NEXT AUCTION, WE'RE GONNA NEED ANOTHER 12,000 MEGAWATTS.
SO BASED ON THE WAY THEY COUNT CAPACITY TO SERVE THAT WITH SOLAR, YOU NEED 150,000 MEGAWATTS OF SOLAR.
THAT'S THE ENTIRE PEAK OF PJM RIGHT NOW IS THE PEAK LOAD YOU'D HAVE TO INSTALL.
SO SOLAR, WE CAN'T BUILD OUR WAY OUT OF THIS WAS SOLAR.
UM, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S WHAT IS LOOKING TO BE, THAT'S THE ONLY THING RIGHT NOW THAT'S KIND OF THAT THAT'S GETTING BUILT AND MASS, UM, BATTERIES ARE STARTING TO COME UP, BUT THAT'S STILL, IT'S STILL NOT REALLY A MUCH OF A PLAYER.
BUT WE NEED 25,000 MEGAWATTS OF BATTERIES.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY COULD HELP US IS NATURAL GAS POWER PLANTS.
WE NEED ABOUT 17,000 MEGAWATTS OF THAT.
THAT'S 24 COMBINED CYCLE PLANTS.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE FREMONT, THAT'S A COMBINED CYCLE PLANT.
I THINK THERE'S A COMBINED CYCLE PLANT JUST NORTH OF TOWN HERE.
UM, YOU WOULD NEED 24 OF THOSE BUILT IN ONE YEAR TO KEEP CAPACITY PRICES FLAT.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE BECAUSE WE SAW THIS HIGHER PRICE IN THIS LAST AUCTION.
THAT'S THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG OF THE PROBLEM OF THAT WE'VE RETIRED COAL PLANTS, WE'RE NOT BUILDING COMBINED CYCLE, AND NOW WE'RE ADDING ALL OF THESE DATA CENTERS.
HAVE YOU BEEN HEARING SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT BRINGING COAL BACK? YES, THERE IS SOME TALK OF THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS A LOT OF THESE COAL PLANTS, WHEN THEY'RE DECOMMISSIONED,
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IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THEM BACK ONLINE.THE THE BIGGEST THING RIGHT NOW IS THERE'S TALK OF TWO DIFFERENT, UH, NUKE PLANTS, ONE IN MICHIGAN AND THREE MILE ISLAND IN PENNSYLVANIA, BRINGING THOSE BACK.
UM, BUT I, UH, THE BIGGEST THING RIGHT NOW YOU CAN DO IS TO STOP THE BLEEDING ON THE COAL SIDE OF, TO GET THE COAL PLANTS THAT ARE AROUND TO QUIT RETIRING IS, IS THE BIGGEST THING.
BUT THAT'S STILL NOT, YOU'RE INCREASING THE REQUIREMENT.
AND THE QUESTION IS, IS WHERE IS THAT GONNA COME FROM? THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR, THIS IS MORE MS. PRESLEY.
SO THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE AND, AND IS, I'M ASSUMING THE ONE THAT WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC IS THE ONE THAT'S IN BOX? YES.
AND IT, AND HE'S CHANGED THESE NUMBERS SINCE THEN.
I I ONLY ASK, I'M ONLY SAYING THAT HER, IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO, I CAN PUT THE UPDATED ONE ON, BUT WOULD IT TAKE OFF THIS OLD ONE? YEAH, JUST, OKAY.
SORRY, I JUST, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING GOING, I GOT, I'M ON THE WRONG PAGE IN THAT THIS CAME OUT LAST WEEK.
THAT WASN'T, THAT WASN'T A CRITICAL, THAT WAS JUST AS P AS YOU'RE SAYING THESE NUMBERS NEED 12,541.
WHAT WE HAD WAS NEED 2007 OR 96.
THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OH, ABSOLUTELY.
WHAT PEOPLE ARE WITH THE NUMBER THAT THE PUBLIC COULD HAVE SEEN AHEAD OF TIME.
NOT TO SAY THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD ALL THIS 'CAUSE WE'RE GETTING THE PRESENTATION, BUT ANYWAY, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT WE HAVE IS ACCURATE.
YEAH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT'S, THIS HAS ALL BEEN CHANGING VERY QUICKLY.
UM, THE NEXT THING I'LL TALK ABOUT, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL OF THIS, THIS LEADS TO THE PRICES ARE GONNA CLEAR REALLY HIGH.
SO IT LEADS TO THE QUESTION OF WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM PRICE? 'CAUSE THERE IS A MAXIMUM PRICE FOR THIS AUCTION.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN AUCTION LAST DECEMBER.
THEY ACTUALLY DELAYED THAT TILL THIS JULY BECAUSE THEY HAD RAISED THE MAXIMUM PRICE ALL THE WAY UP TO 25.
IF YOU REMEMBER, WE'RE AT 90, LIKE 90 CENTS.
I'M HERE BECAUSE PRICES WENT TO EIGHT AND THEIR MAXIMUM PRICE WAS 25.
AND EVERYBODY SAID, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE WE'RE GONNA CLEAR AT THIS MAXIMUM PRICE.
SO THEY DELAYED THE AUCTION, THEY IMPLEMENTED THE OLD PRICE, THE OLD CAP OF $15.
THE GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA GOT WIND OF THIS AND SAID, WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU KNOW, $8 IS A HUGE INCREASE AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING TO DOUBLE THAT.
AGAIN, WE CAN'T THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THE, THE GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA WAS REALLY UPSET ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF POWER PLANTS IN PENNSYLVANIA.
PENNSYLVANIA EXPORTS A LOT OF ELECTRICITY.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE POWER PLANTS AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA CHARGE EVERYBODY IN OUR STATE, UM, A LOT MORE FOR CAPACITY.
SO, UM, PJM AND THE PENNSYLVANIA GOVERNOR REACHED AN AGREEMENT OF A NEW CEILING AND A NEW FLOOR.
SO HISTORICALLY THERE'S NOT BEEN A FLOOR PRICE.
THAT'S WHY THE PRICE RIGHT NOW IS AT 90 CENTS.
THEY'VE PUT A NEW FLOOR PRICE OF $5 IN AND A NEW CEILING AT $9 AND 88 CENTS.
UM, THAT WAS THE AGREEMENT THEY REACHED.
THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR TWO YEARS.
SO FOR THE AUCTION, UH, THAT WOULD BE FOR THE 26, 27 AND 27 28 TIME PERIOD.
THIS AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW IS CURRENTLY AT FERC, WHICH IS PART OF THE GOVERNING BODY, UM, TO GET APPROVED AND MOST LIKELY IT PROBABLY WILL.
SO THIS IS SOME GOOD NEWS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S A HIGH CHANCE BASED ON LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE GONNA CLEAR AT THE MAXIMUM PRICE GOING FORWARD.
UM, AND IF THE MAXIMUM PRICE IS 9 88, THAT'S NOT TOO FAR OFF OF WHERE WE JUST CLEARED IN THE LAST AUCTION.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS GETS PUT INTO PLACE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE $15, UM, WHICH WOULD BE, I MEAN, I, THAT'D BE ANOTHER RATE INCREASE, RIGHT? UM, VERSUS IF WE CLEAR IT AT 9 88, THAT'S KIND OF WITHIN THE RANGE OF WHERE WE CURRENTLY JUST CLEARED IN THIS LAST AUCTION.
ALL RIGHT, SO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, THIS JUST SHOWS WHY THIS PROBLEM IS NOT GOING AWAY AND ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.
THIS IS APSS, THIS AP S IS THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITY THAT WE'RE LOCATED IN THE BLACK LINE WAS THEIR FORECAST BACK IN 2022.
THEY SAID, AH, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, LIKE LOADS PRETTY FLAT, RIGHT? LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE AS WE GO OUT.
AND JUST IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY CHANGED THEIR FORECAST TO.
AND THIS IS DATA CENTERS, RIGHT? UM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE UPPED THEIR FORECAST 30%.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL ACROSS PGM, THEY'VE, THEY'VE UPPED THEIR FORECAST, UH, YOU KNOW, 30,000 MEGAWATTS THAT WOULD TAKE ALMOST 50 COMBINED CYCLE PLANTS THAT NEED BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THESE DATA CENTERS SCORING IN, WHICH IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT.
UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST A-P-S-A-E-P IS UP 41% DOMINION, ANOTHER BIG UTILITY IN THE AREA OF 28%
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OF THEIR FORECAST JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.SO HUGE, HUGE INCREASE IN THEIR FORECAST.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT WE CAN DO.
UM, SO THE WAY THEY BILL FOR TRANSMISSION AND CAPACITY IS OUR LOAD DURING THE PEAK TIME OF THE YEAR.
IT'S WHEN, UM, THE INVESTOR ON THE A PS HAS ITS PEAK FOR CAPACITY.
IT'S WHEN PJM HAS ITS PEAK, UH, WHICH IS IN THE SUMMERTIME.
AND SO WE CAN LOOK AT LOWERING OUR LOAD DURING THOSE TIMES.
THAT HELPS TO, YOU KNOW, ON THOSE REALLY REALLY HOT DAYS, IF WE CAN LOWER OUR USAGE, THAT LOWERS HOW MUCH CAPACITY THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
SO WE SEND OUT ALERTS TO ALL OF OUR MEMBERS SAYING, HEY, WE THINK THIS IS A, UH, THIS MIGHT BE ONE OF THE PEAKS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS CAN DO ON THE COMMUNITY LEVEL IS ON THOSE REALLY, REALLY HOT DAYS.
IF WE CAN LOWER HOW MUCH WE'RE USING, THAT'S LESS THAT WE HAVE TO BUY, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTS WILL STAY ON.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST AN ECONOMIC THING.
AND WHEN CAPACITY PRICES ARE LOW, NOT AS BIG OF A DEAL, AND NOW THAT CAPACITY PRICES ARE GOING UP, UM, ANYTHING WE CAN DO ON THOSE HOT DAYS DEFINITELY HELPS OUT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT A HUNDRED WATT LIGHT BULB, IF YOU TURN IT OFF DURING THE SIX PEAK HOURS OF THE YEAR, THAT'S $23 A YEAR, UH, THAT WE SAVE IN CAPACITY AND TRANSMISSION HOURS.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC HAD A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHEN THEY GOT THE ALERT MM-HMM
BECAUSE THEY'RE THINKING, OKAY, I PAID MY ELECTRIC BILL, THIS IS MY SERVICE AND I CAN USE IT AS MUCH AS I WANT.
NOT SAYING THAT, UM, PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN THEY'RE USING IT, IT IMPACTS EVERYONE FOR THE WHOLE YEAR AND THEIR CAPACITY FOR THE YEAR.
SO IT'S A HARD, IT'S KIND OF A PRETTY TECHNICAL CONCEPT.
SO, AND, AND THE, THE PEAKS THAT WE SET THIS SUMMER ARE FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO IF YOU GUYS DO A GOOD JOB THIS YEAR OF LOWERING YOUR LOAD DURING THOSE PEAKS, THEN THAT'S LESS THAT WE HAVE TO BUY IN THE FUTURE.
UM, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THE LIGHTS WILL GO OUT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE PAYING IS BASED ON THE LOADS THAT WE SET LAST SUMMER.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OF HOW TO GET THAT MESSAGE CROSSED TO THE PUBLIC? BECAUSE WE HAD TRIED THAT THIS YEAR.
WE GOT A LOT OF, UH, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
UM, WE ARE GONNA START WORKING ON TRYING TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC WITH OUR, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF PRESS RELEASE, SOME TYPE OF INTERNET, SOCIAL MEDIA BLAST.
SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR GOALS YEAH.
IS TO BETTER EDUCATE, TO LET YOU KNOW WHY I, I MEAN WE SEND OUT, HEY, PLEASE PEAK SAVE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY.
BUT YEAH, IT'S KIND OF A GENERIC.
SO, AND, AND, AND YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
IT'S LIKE, IS IT WITHOUT ANY BACKGROUND? THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT MAYBE THIS, UM, MAYBE THIS WILL MAKE A BIGGER IMPACT TO SAY THIS IS WHY.
UM, AND IT'S NOT A RELIABILITY THING, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST TRYING TO, TRYING TO SAVE MONEY.
UH, THAT, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY EFFECT, UH, FOR LIKE BROWNOUTS.
UH, IT DOES I ON THOSE HOT DAYS.
UM, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE KIND OF IDEA BEHIND IT.
BUT IN GENERAL, LIKE PJM, THEY, THAT'S THAT RESERVE MARGIN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THEY BUILD IN THOSE SAFETY MARGINS.
SO HOPEFULLY ON THOSE HOT DAYS WE NEVER HAVE, YOU KNOW, BURN THROUGH ALL THAT SAFETY MARGIN.
BUT THEY STILL BILL US BASED ON THOSE REALLY HOT DAYS.
SO THIS IS, UH, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYALS WHOLESALE POWER COSTS FROM AMP.
SO THIS IS HOW MUCH, UM, YOUR BILL FROM US IS, AND I'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT COLORS HERE, AND THEN WE ROLL UP TO THE OVERALL COST.
WHEN WE LOOK HISTORICALLY, THE OVERALL COST HAS BEEN RIGHT AROUND 8 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR.
WITH THAT CAPACITY INCREASE, THAT PUSHES US UP TO 9.20 CENTS.
UM, KIND OF GOING FORWARD, AND YOU CAN SEE I'VE GOT A DIFFERENT SECTION.
SO ENERGY TRANSMISSION, UH, IS ON THE BOTTOM.
TRANSMISSION, UM, IS IN THE MIDDLE, THE WHITE AREA, AND THEN THE TOP IS CAPACITY.
YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT THE ENERGY COST PRETTY FLAT WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT HEDGES AND EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE AND ALL THE DIFFERENT POWER PLANTS.
THAT'S WHY WE LAYER ALL THAT DIVERSIFICATION IN.
UM, SO THAT WE HAVE PRETTY STEADY COSTS HERE.
ON THE ENERGY SIDE, UH, WHAT'S BEEN INCREASING IS THE TRANSMISSION GRADUALLY AND THEN THE CAPACITY, YOU CAN SEE THAT REALLY CHANGED FROM 24 TO 25.
SO THERE'S NO REAL, LIKE YOU COULDN'T CHANGE THE GEOGRAPHY OF IT.
FOR INSTANCE, LIKE WE COULDN'T SAY, OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA FROM A DIFFERENT STATE WITH A DIFFERENT KIND OF ENERGY, BECAUSE THEN THE TRANSMISSION RATE WOULD PROBABLY BE HIGHER.
I MEAN, THERE'S, SEE THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, WE CAN DO MORE BUILDING OF CAPACITY RESOURCES.
SO I KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON OUR SIDE ON THE AMP SIDE TO, TO BRING TO YOU GUYS IS PROJECTS LIKE, UH, WE'RE WE, WE'RE EVALUATING SOME BATTERIES, WE'RE EVALUATING SOME PEAKING UNITS.
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WE PUT IN TO JUST RUN DURING THOSE PEAK DAYS.UM, BASICALLY D LIKE, RIGHT, ONLY THINGS WE'VE BEEN PUTTING A LOT IN ARE BASICALLY DIESEL TRUCK ENGINES ESSENTIALLY.
AND THEN WE JUST RUN THEM DURING THOSE REALLY, REALLY HOT DAYS TO LOWER OUR COSTS.
UM, THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN MORE SUCCESSFUL.
UM, WE ARE EVALUATING SOME MORE SOLAR, UM, AND SOME OTHER RESOURCES, BUT THE BIG ONES WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW ARE SOME MORE OF THOSE LIKE UNITS THAT ARE EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE, BUT CHEAPER TO PUT IN.
BUT WE ONLY OPERATE A COUPLE HOURS A YEAR DURING THESE HIGH TIMES.
UM, OUR PART WITH THAT IS INFLATION,
UM, SO THAT, THAT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE TRICKY, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, WE'RE SEEING THESE COSTS ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, AND THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT IS MORE GENERATION.
UM, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A SILVER LINING.
LIKE I SAID, YOU GUYS, UM, ARE LOOKING TO GO UP ABOUT A CENT AND A HALF, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE INVESTOR OWN UTILITIES AROUND YOU AND CO-OPS, WE'RE LOOKING MORE AT A 2 CENT A KILOWATT HOUR RATE INCREASE.
SO, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT DOMINION, UM, GOING FROM 14.3 TO 16.5, UM, UM, I'M, I'M, THANK YOU
UM, THEY'RE GOING UP ABOUT 2 CENTS.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT APPALACHIA POWER, APPALACHIAN POWER, UM, ABOUT THE SAME.
SO, AND YOU CAN SEE OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, ALL OF THOSE UTILITIES HAVE BEEN, UM, LOOKING AT SOME REALLY BIG RATE INCREASES.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING I KNOW NOBODY LIKES TO TALK ABOUT.
RATE INCREASES, UM, RATE INCREASE IS STILL A RATE INCREASE, BUT, UH, COMPARED TO THE OTHER UTILITIES, UM, I THINK IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, WHAT ARE WE AGAIN COMPARED TO THE, I MEAN I KNOW THEY ALL WENT UP TOO, BUT WHOOPS, WHAT'S OUR NUMBER GONNA BE? SO HERE'S WHERE I THINK YOU GUYS ARE.
THESE ARE RATES
SO THIS IS NOT WITH THE INCREASE.
UM, BUT THIS IS WHAT RATES ARE AS OF TODAY.
AND WE'RE SHOWING THAT YOU GUYS ARE ABOUT, UH, 4 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR ROUGHLY, OR, OR A LITTLE BIT MORE LOWER THAN ALL OF THE SURROUNDING UTILITIES.
AND THAT GAP SHOULD INCREASE, UM, BY AT LEAST ANOTHER UM, HALF CENT SET.
WITH THE HIGHER PRICES WE SEE IN JUNE, WE, THE SPECULATION IS THAT WE'D BE LIKE 12.7.
NO, WE ONE AND A HALF, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU'D BE, SO WE'D BE CLOSER TO 12 TWO, LET'S SEE A CENT AND A HALF ON THAT.
AND THEIRS WOULD BE GOING UP TWO, NOT THAT IT MATTERS 'CAUSE WHATEVER ANYBODY ELSE PAYS, BUT I MEAN, IT'S GOOD THAT IT'S BETTER, BUT IT'S STILL WE'RE GOING UP.
BUT YOU EXPLAINED WHY WE'RE GOING
SO I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT A SILVER, SILVER LINING, BUT IT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS SEEING AND ONE THING YOU GUYS SHOULD BE PROUD OF IS, IS NOT ONLY YOUR RELIABILITY AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS, BUT THE HAVING AN ELECTRIC, MUNICIPAL ELECTRIC.
BUT, UM, YOU GUYS ARE SEEING THOSE COSTS COMPARED TO A LOT OF THE OTHER THAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THAT
I KNOW IT'S BECAUSE I GET TO THE LAST, UM, AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT AT COSTS, UM, THIS IS LOOKING AT YOUR GUYS ON YOUR, YOUR FISCAL YEAR, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE THIS THROUGH JUNE, WHEN WE SEE THOSE HIGHER COSTS, THOSE ARE GONNA HIT THIS JUNE.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT YOUR 24 25, YOU ARE ONLY GONNA HAVE ONE MONTH OF THAT HIGHER COST.
IT'S REALLY NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, THE 25 26 BUDGET, UH, WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE FULL IMPACT OF THOSE HIGHER COSTS.
'CAUSE EARLIER, UM, THE PGM THAT LIKE, IT WAS LIKE $310 A YEAR, THAT WAS EARLIER IN YOUR PER UM, PRESENTATION, RIGHT? UM, SO FROM THIS, LIKE THE RATE THI THIS IS, THIS ISN'T BY PERSON OR IT IS BY PERSON MONTHLY RATE DIFFERENCE.
SO THIS IS THE OVERALL RATE FOR THE TOWN.
UM, SO THE, THE, THE REAL THING HERE IS, IS IS WHEN WE LOOK AT LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, WE'RE COMING IN CLOSE TO ABOUT $15.7 MILLION.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS COMING YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING CLOSER TO $17.4 MILLION.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FOR THE PUBLIC, LIKE, BUT I KNOW IT'S TOO HARD TO SAY LIKE ABOUT WHAT EACH HOUSEHOLD, EARLIER IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU HAD $310 A YEAR AND IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BETWEEN 12 MONTHS, THAT'S $26 A MONTH.
BUT THAT DOESN'T, IT FEELS LIKE IT SHOULD BE MORE FROM WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BUT, SO THAT WAS BASED ON A THOUSAND KILOWATT HOURS.
UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE, UH, THE HOUSES AROUND HERE ARE 2025 KILOWATT HOURS.
SO IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF HOUSE, WHAT THEIR ENERGY IS AND HOW MUCH THEY USE, HOW THEY HEAT IT, HOW THEY COOL IT, AND HOW UH, WHEN WE DO OUR COST OF SERVICE STUDY, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING CATERED TO OUR AREA TO SHOW WHAT THOSE DIFFERENCES WOULD BE.
BUT IT STILL WOULD BE DIFFERENT
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BASED ON THE HOUSE.BUT WE'LL HAVE A, A BETTER AVERAGE FOR THIS AREA ITSELF.
I, I KIND OF HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION, MR.
THE LAST ONE ABOUT THE EARLIER TOO.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE MONTHLY PURCHASES, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND YOU SAID THAT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION.
SO MY, I GUESS THAT'S A TWO PART QUESTION.
LIKE, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING LIKE, UH, 1.2 MILLION A MONTH? WHAT WOULD BE YOUR, YOUR MONTHLY PURCHASE FOR OUR AREA? SO THIS IS, THIS IS YOUR PROJECTED COST FOR ELECTRICITY, UM, FOR THAT INCLUDES WHAT WE WOULD SPEND ON THOSE PURCHASES.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THAT BUDGETED IN.
UM, AND THEN IF WE CAN PURCHASE THAT BELOW THE BUDGETED PRICE, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BRING THIS DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
SO I THINK THAT'S MY QUESTION FOR, I GUESS PROBABLY BJ.
SO LIKE WHEN WE BUDGET LIKE AN ELECTRIC FOR THE, FOR THE YEAR, RIGHT? AND THEN HE'S GOING IN AS LONG AS HE STAYS WITHIN THAT THRESHOLD, WE DON'T NEED TO COME BACK EVERY MONTH AND 'CAUSE THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SO 17.4 MILLION IS WHAT WE INCLUDED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET.
MM-HMM
UH, TO ADJUST THE POWER COST ADJUSTMENT.
UM, WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL TO ADJUST THE OVERALL RATE STRUCTURE, UH, FOR ELECTRIC.
UM, BUT UH, THE POWER COST ADJUSTMENT IS HOW WE CAN, UM, UH, REACT TO WHAT THE MARKET IS DOING.
IF YOUR POWER COST ADJUSTMENT GETS OVER 1 CENT, UM, USUALLY THAT'S WHEN YOU WANT TO DO A RATE INCREASE OR YOU KNOW, OVERALL RATE RATHER THAN HAVE IT JUST FLUCTUATE WITH THAT POWER COST ADJUSTMENT.
YOU SEE THE, WHEN I'M SAYING POWER COST ADJUSTMENT, IT SHOWS UP ON THE ELECTRIC BILL AS PCA, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
IT'S A SEPARATE LINE ITEM AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S REFLECTED OF IS THE DIFFERENCES IN THE UH, UH, MARKET.
BUT OF THAT 17.4 MILLION, UM, A LOT OF THAT IS ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, LIKE THE PRAIRIE STATE BILL, THE TRANSMISSION BILL, ALL OF THAT OTHER STUFF.
SO THAT PART THAT WE DON'T HAVE LOCKED IN, I WOULD HAVE, I'M GONNA KIND OF GIVE YOU A ROUGH BALLPARK, BUT THAT MIGHT BE ONLY A MILLION DOLLARS OF THAT 17.4.
THE REST OF THAT IS ALL, UH, PRETTY STABLE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE MORE COMPLICATED TOPICS, THIS CAPACITY AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD TO TALK ABOUT, YOU SAID, SAW HOW IT WAS LOW FOR, FOR SEVERAL YEARS WHERE IT WASN'T EVEN REALLY AN IMPACTING YOUR RATE AND THEN WE'VE HAD, BECAUSE OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT INCLUDING THE DATA CENTER, SOME REALLY BIG CHANGES HERE JUST IN THE LAST YEAR.
AND WE'LL GET THE UPDATED ONE.
SO ITEM NUMBER THREE IS PROPOSED BUDGET.
WE WILL BE GO, WE ARE WORKING ON THE RATE STUDY CURRENTLY.
JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW WE ARE GOING OUT TO BID.
WHY DON'T YOU COME ON UP HERE AND THAT WAY THEY UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST DON'T WANT THEM TO MISS THAT.
SO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WE ARE CURRENTLY PUTTING THAT RFP FOR OUR RATE STUDY.
WE DID ONE LAST YEAR, AS Y'ALL KNOW, WITH THIS HAPPENING, WE HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN.
SO WE'RE GOING OUT CURRENTLY FOR THAT AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY BE COMING BACK TO Y'ALL LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL WITH WHERE WE NEED TO GO TO ADJUST OUR RATES.
YOU TWO DID THAT LITTLE VIRGINIA IMAGE.
JUST MAKE THAT, DID, DID YOU GUYS MAKE THAT? UM, OH, NOW THE LITTLE THING ON THE FRONT THAT HAS VIRGINIA WITH THE, IT IS, IT'S ALMOST LIKE GEOGRAPHICAL.
IT'S THE VISUAL THIS DID WE MAKE THAT? NO, Y'ALL STOLE IT OFF INTERNET SOMEWHERE.
WELL, WE LIKE IT SO WE MIGHT FIND IT TOO.
UM, OKAY, SO NOW I IN NUMBER THREE.
UM, YEAH, SO, SO THIS IS THE 25 26 PROPOSED BUDGET, ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
UM, AND THIS IS COUNSEL'S OPPORTUNITY.
IT SAYS STAFF WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO HELP ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AND SEE IF COUNSEL HAS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR, IT'S NO PRESENTATION FROM YOU.
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COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT.UM, I DO HAVE ONE SMALL UPDATE.
THIS QUESTION RAISED AS TO HOW MUCH THE, UH, HEALTH INSURANCE WAS GONNA COST EMPLOYEES FOR THE 6.5% INCREASE.
UH, THAT IS, UH, ABOUT, UH, $28,800 IS JUST THE EMPLOYEES PORTION FOR THE YEAR.
UH, NO, I TAKE THAT BACK OR WHAT WAS THAT? YOU'RE CLOSE.
IT WAS, UM, YES, THAT IS RIGHT.
28,800, UH, IS BEING OVERALL, OVERALL THAT IT WOULD COST THE TOWN TO PICK UP THEIR, THEIR INCREASE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? UM, THAT'S WHAT WE PASSED ALONG TO THE EMPLOYEES FOR THEIR PERCENTAGE OF THE INCREASE, BUT SO THE SIX AND A HALF PERCENT INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD, THE TOWN IS PAYING SIX AND HALF PERCENT MORE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE FOR THE EMPLOYEES.
AND THE EMPLOYEES ARE PAYING SIX AND HALF PERCENT, THE EMPLOYEES SIX AND A HALF PERCENT IS THE 28,800.
BETWEEN ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES? YES, FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES.
SO 170 EMPLOYEES, 28,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO DOES THAT MEAN THE INCREASE WAS THIR? I MEAN I'M 13%, RIGHT? UM, OR IS IT JUST THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
NO, IT'S SIX POINT A HALF PERCENT OVERALL.
BUT IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THE, THE EMPLOYEES WENT UP SIX POINT A HALF PERCENT.
AND THE TOWNS WENT UP SIX POINT A HALF PERCENT.
OVERALL, IT'S STILL SIX AND A HALF.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATES TO BRING TO COUNCIL AT THIS TIME.
WE'LL BE COMING BACK, BUT, UH, INTERESTED TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR ANYTHING WE PREPARE FOR.
SO I KNOW SOME PEOPLE HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THIS, SO THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT QUESTIONS, CONCERNS.
COUNCIL WOODS, BJ UH, UNDER HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE BRIDGE REPAIRS 80,000.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT'S IN REGARD TO INSPECTIONS? WE HAVE TO HAVE, UH, INSPECTIONS DONE AND THEN THERE IS ALSO SOME, UH, IS THAT RAIN? YEAH, MY DAUGHTER SOFTBALL GAME SUSPEND ABRUPTLY.
THE, UM, SO THERE'S, UH, PERIODIC BRIDGE INSPECTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DO AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THEY COME UP, BUT I'LL GET THAT INFORMATION AND BRING IT BACK.
I WASN'T QUITE CLEAR UNDER THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, UH, THE AUTOMATIC TICKETING MM-HMM
WENT FROM, UH, WELL YOU SAID THE ACTUAL WAS 1 46 AND 24.
THE ADOPTED FOR 25 WAS ONE 12, BUT THE PROPOSED IS THREE 80 AND WE KNOW THAT IN THE REPORT WE HEARD THERE WAS 480.
SO I, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE WE SAY THE TICKETS ARE GOING DOWN, BUT WE HAVE GREATER REVENUE PROPOSED FOR THE 26 BUDGET.
SO WE DID HAVE GREATER REVENUE PROPOSED, BUT WE DID NOT, I'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A BUDGET AMENDMENT, UH, PROPOSAL IN MAY FOR THE, UH, ADDITIONAL REVENUE ON THE AUTOMATIC TICKETING.
UH, SO, UH, THIS FISCAL YEAR, UM, THE REVENUES HAVE FAR EXCEEDED THE BUDGET.
UH, THE $408,000 WAS, UH, FROM THE TIME THAT WE IMPLEMENTED THE, UH, UH, SPEED CAMERAS LATE MARCH OF 24, I BELIEVE.
SO IT HAD A LITTLE BIT OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR BUDGET.
WELL, APRIL, MAY, PERHAPS CORRECT AFTER THE WARNING PERIOD.
SO THE, UM, UH, SO ALTHOUGH YES, IT, IT IS A, UH, AN INCREASE FROM THE AMOUNT THAT WE BUDGETED, AS YOU'VE SEEN WITH THE TICKETS, THE AMOUNT OF TICKETS ARE DECREASING.
SO THAT MONEY IS IN THE GENERAL FUND NOW, CORRECT? MOST OF THE 408,000 CORRECT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO AMEND THAT NUMBER TO THREE 80 DOWN ROUGHLY.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THIS MONTH COMES IN AT, BUT YES.
OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I HAVE A LOT
NO, YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK IT'D BE BETTER IF YOU JUST ASKED ALL YOURS AND THEN PEOPLE CAN I OFFICE I'LL THROUGH THE LIST AND TRY TO BE QUICK? NO, I DIDN'T, DIDN'T COME FROM THE VISITOR CENTER AND WE PROJECTED THAT TO GROW, UH, IT WAS 12,000.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS 12,000 ACTUAL AND 24 18 AND ADOPTED 25, AND WE THINK IT'S GOING TO 25.
THE, UM, SO YOU, UH, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THE UM, UH, VISITOR CENTER JUST, UH, STARTED RAMPING UP THEIR SALES ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND THEY'VE BEEN PURCHASING.
SO YES, UH, I'VE GOTTEN WITH LIZZIE LOOKING AT THE DAILY OR THE MONTHLY FIGURES, UM, AND I BELIEVE WE MISSED SOME OF THE PEAK SEASONS WITH SOME OF THE MERCHANDISE THERE, BUT WE ARE GETTING BACK ON TRACK AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL, I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY PROBLEM SENDING
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THOSE NUMBERS.AND SO WITH THE VISITOR CENTER.
I JUST WANNA MAKE THIS COMMENT, IS THAT THERE WAS A TIME WHERE MERCHANDISE WAS SOLD THEN FOR A LONG TIME, MERCHANDISE WASN'T SOLD.
AND NOW IT'S, THEY BROUGHT, OBVIOUSLY THEY BROUGHT IT BACK AND, AND ADDING THINGS TO IT.
AND I THINK REALLY TAKING MORE, JUST MAKING REALLY SOUND DECISIONS ON WHAT TO SELL.
SO HOPEFULLY IF THERE IS AN INCREASE, NOT THAT THAT'S GONNA PAY ALL THE BILLS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING, IT'S SOMETHING, EVERY DOLLAR HELPS SIGNIFICANT GROWTH GRANT PROCEEDS.
WE SEE NOTHING ON THE VERIZON FOR THE NEXT YEAR OF ANY TYPE OF GRANT FUNDING.
UH, THE ONLY GRANT THAT I BELIEVE WE'VE BUDGETED FOR AT THIS TIME IS THE $4,500 FOR THE, UH, ARTS GRANT.
IT SHOULD BE ON A SEPARATE LINE ITEM UNDER
UH, ASIDE FROM THAT, UM, WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T BUDGETED FOR ANY GRANTS.
IF WE DO RECEIVE A GRANT, WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
UNDER STREET FUND REVENUE, UM, CURB AND GUTTER CHARGE.
IN THE PAST, WELL, UH, ACTUAL WE HAD $2,400 AND 24.
UH, WE DON'T, I, I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS.
SO LIKE, UM, WE WILL BE GETTING EITHER, THIS IS WHERE I'M CONFUSED.
LIKE DOCK STREET, THE CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO PUT IN CURB AND GUTTER AND SIDEWALK.
THE REVENUE IS ACTUALLY FOR THE 50 50 PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOWN ORDINANCE.
UM, SO IF A, UH, RESIDENT COMES IN AND WANTS TO, UH, INSTALL CURB AND GUTTER, UM, VOLUNTARILY, UH, THE TOWN WILL SPLIT THE COST WITH THEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE, UH, KIND OF BUDGETED FOR.
THAT ONE'S A HARD ONE TO BUDGET FOR 'CAUSE NO, NO.
IT, IT WAS NOTHING THIS YEAR OR FOR NEXT YEAR.
THAT'S, I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT QUESTION THOUGH, UH, TOURISM, BECAUSE I HEARD A COMMENT MADE THE OTHER DAY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS WRONG THAT THE INDIVIDUAL SAID.
SO UNDER TOURISM IN OUR BUDGET, FIRST OF ALL, O AND M IS OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE.
UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE PERSONNEL AND FRIENDS.
AND WE HAVE ANOTHER COLUMN OPERATING MM-HMM
SO UNDER TOURISM, FOR INSTANCE, UH, 2 13 5.
NINE FIVE, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE SALARIES, INFRINGED BENEFITS, THEN 1 92 9.
UM, GLEN, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT PAGE YOU'RE ON? OH YEAH, SURE.
ACTUALLY I DIDN'T BRING MINE UP UPSTAIRS HERE.
YOU WANT MINE? HUH? CAMERA SPLIT.
MELISSA'S JUST GONNA SHARE WITH ME.
SO WE KNOW WHAT THE, UH, SALARIES S ARE.
THE 1 92 90 IS THAT, THAT, THAT'S A LOT LESS THAN OUR ACTUAL FROM THIS YEAR.
SO IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THIS YEAR WE HAD INCLUDED, UH, SOME MONEY FOR, UH, SOME VISITOR CENTER REPAIRS BECAUSE WE HAD THOSE FUNDS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, FOR THE TOURISM THAT WE WERE HOLDING ONTO FOR SO MANY YEARS.
I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T UNDERFUND IT BECAUSE WE SPENT, LET'S TAKE A LOOK HERE.
THIS WHOLE YEAR, 24, WE SPENT ALMOST 300,000 AND WE'RE ONLY BUDGETING LESS THAN 200,000.
UH, SO IF I'M READING THAT CORRECTLY, I MEAN, IF NOT, PLEASE CORRECT ME.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 45, THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE TOURISM BUDGET, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE OPERATING EXPENSE, UM, IS ABOUT $8,000 HIGHER, UH, THAN OUR CURRENT ADOPTED BUDGET.
UH, SO THE ACTUAL IS INDEED FROM, UH, THOSE, UH, THOSE ONE TIME EXPENDITURES THAT WE, UM, HAD AT THE VISITOR CENTER.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK THERE WAS SOME REMODELING THAT WE DID AND A COUPLE OTHER ODDS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER 'EM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET SOME MONEY FROM THE COUNTY FOR, TO PAINT IT AND DO THINGS.
THAT NEVER CAME TO FRUITION, I GUESS.
UM, WELL, THAT, THAT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH WHEN WE WERE GONNA DO IT JOINTLY WITH THE VISITOR CENTER.
AND THEY WERE, EVERYBODY WAS GONNA SHARE IN THE COST, BUT THEN WHEN, UM, AND I THOUGHT THEY GOT A GRANT OR SOMETHING FOR THAT AND THEY HAD TO SPEND IT AND THEY AGREED PART OF IT WOULD GO TOWARDS.
AND I THINK THAT ALL FELL THROUGH, I THINK WHEN THE WHOLE TOUR, I THINK WHEN
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THE TOURISM KEPT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE YEAH.I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR MONEY.
I JUST KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T YEAH.
SO THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT FINDING THEIR OWN BRICK AND MORTAR.
AND SO I THINK WE JUST, WE WENT ON AND DID WHAT WE KNEW NEEDED TO BE DONE WITH WHAT WE HAD.
BJ, WHILE WE'RE ON 45, MY QUESTION, SO ADVERTISING 27,000, THAT'S UP SLIGHTLY, BUT THAT'S ALL THE ADVERTISING WE DO REGIONALLY AND ACTUALLY, WHATEVER, RIGHT? CORRECT.
OUR EARLIEST WE ONLY SPEND 25,000, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE GETTING AT.
WHAT DID PROMOTION'S DIFFERENT FROM ADVERTISING? UM, YOU KNOW, YES.
AND I WISH I HAD LIZZIE HERE TO HELP ME OUT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
BUT I, I CAN, I'LL GET THAT INFORMATION AND COME BACK.
THE BUS SYSTEM, UM, THAT'S GONE UP A LITTLE BIT, THE TROLLEY, AND THAT'S A GREAT THING.
DOES THE COUNTY OFFER ANY MATCH ON THAT? BECAUSE, SO THE TOWN, THE TOWN, THE COUNTY, AND RMA ALL PAY FOR THE BUSES AS VIRGINIA TRANSIT.
SO WE ALL PAY A PORTION OF IT.
AND OUR PORTION, THIS IS OUR PORTION OF IT.
WELL, THAT, THAT EXPLAINS THAT.
UH, OH, YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK? NO, GO AHEAD.
NO, THIS WAS JUST A QUICK, A QUICK ONE ABOUT, UH, LOU OF TAXES.
UH, YOU LOOK AT, DID YOU, UH, THIS ONE PAGE 10 I I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IN TOWN, OKAY? MM-HMM
WE LOOKED FROM, UH, 2022, UH, APPROXIMATELY 5 31 K 23, 5 60 5K 24, 660 5K LAST YEAR, 670 4K.
UH, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU DO? I LOOK AT ALL THE VACANT, UH, BUILDINGS IN RIVERTON.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT'S, SO YOU'RE SEEING A DECREASE.
AND I VERIFIED THAT, UH, UM, UH, WITH THE, UH, COMMISSIONER, THE REVENUES OFFICE, THEY'RE SEEING THE SAME THING.
SEE, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT WITH ALL THE INFILL AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, THAT WE WOULD SEE AN INCREASE.
WE, WE'VE SEEN IT IN THE PILOT, PILOT RENEWAL FORMS OVERALL, UH, THAT WE'VE RECEIVED HERE JUST IN THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS WHEN WE WERE RECEIVING THEM, I WAS CONCERNED AS WELL.
THAT'S WHY I REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTER CLOCK PART.
AND THEY'RE SEEING A SOMEWHAT DECREASE, MEANING THERE'S LESS BUSINESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
LESS, LESS BUSINESSES AND ALSO, UH, DOING LESS BUSINESS IN GENERAL.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN THAT RIGHT.
AND THAT ACTUALLY PROBABLY IS CONSISTENT OR SO, SO IT SEEMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THEY SAY PEOPLE WERE SPENDING LESS OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, EXPENDABLE INCOME AS, AS PRICES WENT UP AND WELL, WE'RE HAVING DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE AREN'T IN IT YET EITHER.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS TOO? I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A, A LOT, WE HAVE SEVERAL NEW TOWNHOUSES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN UNTIL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THOSE DON'T PAY THE PILOT.
IT'S ONLY THE ACCOUNTING DEVELOPMENT.
IT, IT'S BASICALLY WE PROVIDE SERVICES TO OUTSIDE THE CORRIDOR.
THAT'S WHERE IT'S ALRIGHT THEN THAT'S CONFUSING POINT.
GOOD THING PEOPLE ARE STILL EATING.
IT DIDN'T SLOW DOWN, BUT, BUT IN ALL HONESTY, IT MAY NOT HAVE.
IT MAY NOT, IT IS MORE, BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THEIR PRICES ALL WENT UP TOO.
I MEAN, I WAS GONNA SAY, SO TRUE.
I MEAN, THE TRUTH, LIKE I SAID, EVEN LIKE A SUBWAY SUB WENT UP A COUPLE DOLLARS.
SO YOU FIGURE, YOU FIGURE THE TAX ON THAT IT DID SLOW, BUT IT'S JUST, UM, IT'S STILL, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THE PRICES WENT UP.
SO I MEAN YOU'RE STILL, YOUR TAX WENT UP PERCENT OF THE LARGER YEAH.
YOU'RE INCREASING AND, AND DECREASING.
SO GEORGIA, SO AS A REMINDER, THE TOWN DOES NOT COLLECT MEALS AND LODGING PILOT FEE THROUGH THE PILOT PROGRAM.
AND IN LIEU OF THAT, WE RECEIVE WHAT FROM THE COUNTY, WE RECEIVE A PORTION OF THE MEALS AND LODGING TAXES THAT THE COUNTY RECEIVES.
AND THAT'S SHOWN IN THE LINE ITEM ABOVE, UH, OR BELOW, UH, WHERE IT SAYS PILOT, UM, COUNTY.
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BE CLEAR, THAT THAT LOD TAX PILOT DOESN'T EXIST.I MEAN IT COULD, BUT IT DOESN'T.
AND SO IN LIEU OF THAT, THERE'S AN MOU WITH THE COUNTY THAT THE COUNTY WILL SHARE THEIR REVENUE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CORRIDOR.
BUT THAT'S JUST FOR MALES TALKING ABOUT THE QUARTER, WHICH IS PILOT IS COMMERCIAL IN THE CORRIDOR.
AND BY STATE CODE? BY STATE CODE, THE COUNTY HAS TO USE, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER, I WANNA SAY TWO.
ONE OF THEM FOR SCHOOLS, THEY HAVE TO, WELL NO, THEY HAVE TO USE A PORT.
THEY HAVE TO USE A, A PORTION OF THEIRS FOR TOURISM.
AND I WANNA SAY IT'S, I WANNA SAY IT'S A 2 CENTS WHATEVER BECAUSE THE STATE ALLOWED IT, WHAT IS IT? THREE I BELIEVE IF YOU GO OVER FOUR YEAH.
THEN YOU HAVE TO EARMARK MARK.
AND I THINK YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE SIX, YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE FIVE.
ANYTHING OVER TWO HAS TO BE DEDICATED TO TOURISM.
SO, AND IT'S CHANGING OCCUPANTS TAX.
BUT WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY'S REQUIRED FOR APPORTION FOR THEIRS TO GO EARMARK TO TOURISM.
ALTHOUGH I DO BELIEVE WE, WE OBVIOUSLY DO FUND, YOU KNOW, WE DO SPEND MONEY ON TOURISM, BUT ABSOLUTELY.
BUT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO, AND WE ARE NOT JUST SAYING THE INDIVIDUALS SHOULD BE TALKING TO THE COUNTY.
'CAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY KIND OF TOURISM PROMOTION.
WE PROBABLY COULD PUT THAT ON THE, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS AGENDA LAST JULY, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ONLY HAVE THE AGENDA THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE COUNTY IN FAVOR CONSIDERING USING THEIR, THEIR FUNDS WERE REQUIRED TO BE IMARK TOWARDS LIKE BOAT LANDING UPGRADES AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR TOURISM.
A CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT HOW AND WHY THEY'RE SPENDING THEIR TOURISM DOLLARS THE WAY THEY ARE WOULD PROBABLY, BUT I THINK THEY JUST STARTED A NEW, I THINK THEY JUST STARTED A NEW COMMITTEE AGAIN.
THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE WHEN THEY'RE RECRUITING.
AND I THINK THEY'RE TRYING, I THINK THEY'RE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE HIRING LIKE A DIRECTOR.
THEY HAD SOMEBODY AND THEN THEY LEFT AND NOW THEY, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S THE PLAN.
I THINK IT'S THE DIRECTOR OF EDA AND TOURISM.
I JUST, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH.
BUT YEAH, BECAUSE AT FUTURE TIME FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
UM, BRUCE, DID YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS OR CAN GLEN GO BACK TO HIS, GLEN CAN GO BACK.
Y'ALL CAN JUST GO BACK AND FORTH.
SO PAGE 18, BJ UH, ACCOUNT COUNSEL.
JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND OUR EXPENSES.
UH, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE DRUG COURT THAT'S IN MOU.
WE'RE FUNDING THAT, UM, THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT, UH, THE $70,000 IS FOR THE AUDIT AND THE ACTUARIAL REPORT FOR THE AUDIT.
WHERE, WHAT ABOUT OUR SPENDING, LIKE OUR RETREAT? WHERE, WHERE, WHAT LINE IS THAT? COUNCIL EXPENSE? PARDON ME? COUNCIL EXPENSE.
IT'S THAT THREE HAS $3,000 IN THERE.
YOU'LL SEE IN, UH, 3 24, IT WAS $6,422.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE, THAT OBVIOUSLY ISN'T THE, UM, STIPENDS.
THE STIPENDS IS UP IN SAL'S PART TIME.
BUT THAT'S NOT JUST THE RETREAT.
IT'S ALSO IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO THE CONFERENCE, NO, WELL, THAT'S TRAVEL.
BUT THE, UH, THE COUNCIL EXPENSES, IF WE WE'RE HAVING A MEETING, WE'D BUY, YOU KNOW, DINNER OR OKAY.
OR, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A CATCHALL MORE OR LESS RETREAT MEALS OR FACILITATORS.
AND MIGHT I ADD THAT YOU CAN SEE OVER TIME IS
SORRY, I'M JUST, I'M LAUGHING AT THE, AMBER ALWAYS GIVES ME A HARD TIME BECAUSE, WELL, I DON'T WANNA BUY, AT LEAST AS GLEN JUST MENTIONED THAT I SAY OFTEN.
AND YOU GUYS SEE THE COUNTY HAS A VENDING MACHINE.
SO LIKE LAST MONDAY, ALMOST MIDNIGHT THIS MONDAY, PROBABLY ALMOST MIDNIGHT.
AT LEAST I COULD GO SPEND MY OWN MONEY TO BUY A HONEY BUTTER.
I JUST HAVE TO POINT OUT WE HAVE, YEAH, WE WERE EATING.
PAGE 21, UH, UNDER THE HR BUDGET, PROFESSIONAL FEES.
THEY'VE, WELL, I MEAN THEY'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE FOR THE
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PAST TWO YEARS.SO, UM, THAT IS THE, A LOT OF THAT IS THE CONSULTANT THAT WE HAVE FOR, UM, HEALTH INSURANCE.
WE DID, UH, DISCONTINUE THE HEALTH INSURANCE CONSULTANT THERE IN
UM, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF SECURING ANOTHER FIRM.
WE DID DO AN RFP FOR, UH, FOR FIRM.
UM, WE WEREN'T QUITE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS ON THAT.
SO WE'RE DOING ANOTHER QUOTE, PAY STUDIES.
UM, UM, WELL WE DID ALSO DID THE PAY STUDY THERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
ALSO TO NOTE THAT CASE STUDY RECOMMENDED AN INCREASED STIPEND.
SAY THAT AGAIN? UH, JUST UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS MAINTENANCE SERVICE CONTRACTS.
MAINTENANCE SERVICE CONTRACTS IS THE, UM, UH, FOR INSTANCE, THE, UH, UH, THE MACHINES THAT THEY HAVE DOWN THERE THAT THEY HAVE TO DO UPGRADES ON OR, YOU KNOW, GET THE DATA FOR OR, UM, UH, THE DIAGNOSTICS, DIAGNOSTICS, THE, THE LANDING MACHINE, THE, UM, UM, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND, UM, YEAH, IT'S BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT FOR THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
I, I, AGAIN, LAST YEAR I WAS THREE MONTHS ON THE COUNCIL
AND I CAN, I WANNA SAY COUNCILMAN WOOD, UH, MR. WILSON WOULD TELL YOU FOR MY FIRST TWO YEARS, WE WOULD BE MEETING FOR TWO AND THREE HOURS IN HIS OFFICE AND ME GOING OUT, TELL ME WHAT THIS IS.
SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS, THIS AWESOME TIME, BUT HE'S BEEN BUSY.
REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES, BUT WE'RE ALSO REPLACING OUR FLEET PRETTY GOOD.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT THAT TOO MUCH, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WE, UH, WE ARE INDEED, WE'RE PLAYING, UH, KETCHUP.
UH, THE PRICE OF PARTS HAVE GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT IS AMOUNTING TO.
UM, UNDER YOUR, UM, PAGE 29 MM-HMM
POSTAGE, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
CAN WE HAVE ONE, I SHOULD SAY CONSIDERED CONVERTING TO EMAIL TO SEND OUT AUTO DRAFTS? IN OTHER WORDS, I PAY MINE EVERY MONTH.
THE UH, UM, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING SOFTWARE DEMONSTRATIONS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR, UH, LAST, UH, UH, DEMONSTRATION HERE ON WEDNESDAY.
AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING TOGETHER, BUT WE'RE STILL, UM, AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR OUT FROM HAVING THAT SOFTWARE IMPLEMENTED.
BUT THAT IS A GOAL ABSOLUTELY.
TO GET TO, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE EMAIL AND HAVE THOSE OPTIONS.
IF WE HAVE A HOUSE IN NORTH CAROLINA, EVERYTHING, WE GET DOMINION, POWER COMES ELECTRONICALLY.
THE EVERYTHING WE GET THE CABLE, EVERYTHING COMES.
OUR CURRENT SOFTWARE JUST DOESN'T PROVIDE IT RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
AND THAT'S ONLY GONNA GO UP THERE.
AND REALLY THE STAFF THAT IT, I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING IT IS THE POSTAGE, BUT IT'S ALSO THE STAFF THAT'S PREPARING 'EM.
AND I, I HAPPEN TO WALK THROUGH TODAY WHEN YOU SAW 'EM STUFFING AND I SAW THEM STUFFING ENVELOPES AND I WAS LIKE, WHOA, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK.
SO PAGE 32, ME, JUDGE, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
JUST CURIOUS WHAT MAINTENANCE SERVICE CONTRACT IS.
UM, THAT IS THE MAINTENANCE SERVICE CONTRACT.
ZACH, DO YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, IS THAT, UH, I'M LOOKING TEMPERATURE.
SORRY, DO BODY CAMERAS, THE, UM, IT'S, I KNOW IT'S ONE OF THE CAMERA SYSTEMS. IT'S MORE THAN 70.
UM, LET ME CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO YOU ON THAT.
I WAS HOPING IT WASN'T BUILDING MAINTENANCE.
BUILDING MAINTENANCE IS ALL UNDER GENERAL PROPERTIES.
SO, UH, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY, $20,000, BUT THAT ALSO INCLUDES, UH, RANGE AMMOS, IT INCLUDED IN THAT.
THEN IT, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD.
MAYBE IT'S ON A DIFFERENT LINE.
SETTING ASIDE, IS THAT PROFESSIONAL SERVICES? YES.
THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR STUDY ON THAT AND WHATEVER THEY FIND OUT WITH THE COUNTY AND CORRECT.
I'M ACTUALLY SURPRISED THE AUTO MAINTENANCE IS AS LONG AS IT IS
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TO ME THAT'S LOW.I MEAN, WOULD YOU, DO YOU THAT MAJOR KING, WE HAVE A BUDGET OF $3,000 FOR AUTO MAINTENANCE.
I, TO ME IT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY JUST GAS ISN'T, NO, GAS IS POL, THAT'S MAINTENANCE, THAT'S PATROL OIL STILL.
I MEAN, YEAH, ACROSS ALL THE DEPARTMENTS I, DEPENDING ABOUT, SO THE FLEET MAINTENANCE THAT WE WAS LOOKING AT WAS ACROSS ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND FLEET MAINTENANCE, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A NEGATIVE LINE ITEM AND A POSITIVE LINE ITEM THAT OFFSET EACH OTHER.
AND THOSE ARE SPREAD ACROSS ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.
SO THAT'S PAYING FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR TRACK LOADER, YOU KNOW, UH, THE FLUSH TRUCK THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST
I JUST, I JUST THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY BE HIGHER.
UM, WELL, IT'S JUST THE OUT, IT'S JUST THE, THE MAINTENANCE THAT GOES BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE IN IN HOUSE, RIGHT? NO, THIS, THIS, UH, SO FLEET MAINTENANCE, BILLS, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING UNDER FLEET MAINTENANCE, THERE'S A $300,000 NEGATIVE LINE ITEM, A 300,000 POSITIVE LINE ITEM.
WHAT THEY DO IS, IS THEY WILL, UM, UH, THEY, UM, PAY FOR THE PARTS OUT OF ONE LINE ITEM AND THEN THEY, THEY'RE BILLING THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS FOR THE OTHER LINE ITEM.
SO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS PAY FOR THEIR PARTS.
THEY DON'T PAY FOR LABOR, THEY DON'T PAY FOR.
UM, UM, BUT THEY, THEY PAY FOR THE PAR THE ACTUAL PARTS TO FIX THE EQUIPMENT.
IS THAT JUST OBVIOUSLY AN AN, UH, SO IT'S INFORMATIONAL TO BE ABLE TO SAY YES.
AND IF IT'S STUFF FOR, IF IT'S STUFF FOR, UH, LIKE SAY ELECTRICAL AND STUFF, THAT, THAT CAN BE TAKEN OUTTA ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WHAT HAPPENS.
UH, PLANNING ZONING, PAGE 21, YOU'VE GOT FEES LISTED, 4302, 6 AND SEVEN.
ARE WE, DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE'RE COVERING OUR COSTS WITH OUR FEES? NO.
UM, UH, THAT IS COMING BACK TO COUNSEL, UM, YOU IN THE FUTURE.
UM, I MAY, THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION YEAH.
IN FACT, I THINK FOR WEDNESDAY IT IS.
I DIDN'T MISS TOO MUCH OF THE SOFTBALL GAME AFTER ALL.
IS THAT STREET POINTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT A LINE ITEM IN HERE OR IS THAT JUST YOUR, IS THAT UNDER MAINTENANCE? REPAIR, REPAIR MAINLY BEFORE, SO WE HAD SOME, YEAH, SOME ENGINEERING THINGS.
UM, BUT UH, UH, AND THEN THE GI SERVICES IS WHERE WE WAITED
JUST TO, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH WAY WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THAT JUST YET, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT THAT, ALONG THAT SAME LINE THOUGH, BECAUSE SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP THE ENGINEERING LAST YEAR OR LAST WEEK, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY, IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE SPEND IN OUTSIDE ENGINEERING SERVICES? IT WOULD BE UNDER THAT LINE.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T BUDGET ANYTHING FOR IT, UM, IF WE DID, AND OBVIOUSLY WE DID GET AN ENGINEER, WE'LL HAVE TO TRANSFER FUNDS TO COVER THAT, WHICH WOULD BE FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND THEN SOMEWHERE.
I WAS JUST ASKING HOW IN 2025, WE DIDN'T HAVE A NUMBER FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT WE DO THIS YEAR.
AND, AND I MEAN, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT 2024 WAS.
AND I, FOR LIKE ME, I HAVE NO IDEA WHY 2022 WAS AS LARGE AS IT WAS 105,000 FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLANNING DIRECTOR AND WE WERE PAYING, UH, OUTSIDE.
SO YOU GOT THE BREAKDOWN BELOW.
WHY DID WE BREAK OUT LEACH RUN? UM, PARKWAY MINIMUM.
I'M JUST BREAKING IT OUT TO SHOW WHAT THAT $77,000 COMES BREAKS DOWN TO.
THAT IS ARE THE, THE LINE ITEM.
WE DO HAVE AN OUTSIDE, UH, VENDOR THAT DOES LEACH RUN.
REALLY? UH, THEY MOW LEACH RUN THE SUBSTATIONS.
AND THEN ANDREW, RONNIE, UH, WE DO EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB ON LERA AND IT'S A, IT'S A LOCAL GENTLEMAN.
UM, I MEAN I'M, I I'M JUST LIKE, I WALK LERA A LOT IN THE SUMMER AND I'M ALWAYS LIKE, I'LL STOP AND SAY TO THEM, YOU'RE DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB.
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THEY STOP.THAT'S JUST ANOTHER INTERESTING POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, CONTINUED CONVERSATIONS OVER OWNERSHIP OF LE RUN PARKWAY AND FINISHING A COMPLETION OF LE RUN PARKWAY, YET THE TOWN IS STILL CARRYING THE BILL TO CONTINUE TO CLAIM.
SO WE DO, WE HAVE TOTAL MAINTENANCE OF IT.
THE VDOT GIVES SOMETHING BACK FOR PLOW SNOW OUT THERE.
WE RECEIVE V MAINTENANCE FUNDS.
I, IT JUST, I, AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL RELEVANT.
SO OUR HORTICULTURE IS ALMOST A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND I JUST LOOK, I I LOOK AT OUR YARD OUT FRONT OF THE TOWN HALL THAT DAY BEFORE WE EAT SOME BEAR CLOTHS.
I IT IS WE JUST HARRISON SOME SEASONAL.
WELL IT COULD BE, AND THAT'S A GOOD EXPLANATION.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO THE JOB, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, OUR PRIDE AND JOY ON MAIN STREET AND YOU KNOW, OUR YARD JUST DOES NOT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING I THINK THAT DOWN SHOULD WHY FROM SOME PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH AND NOT USING SIDEWALK DO.
IT IS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WEEDS TOO ANYWAY.
UM, WHERE UP FRONT THEY LITERALLY JUST HAD TWO RETIREMENTS AND THEY'VE BEEN DOWN TO LIKE ONE AND THEN THEY HIRED ONE.
AND SO THEY, THEY'VE BEEN RUNNING PRETTY SLIM.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD
SO WE USUALLY GET COMPLIMENTS.
I KNOW LAST YEAR WE DID, I WAS HERE THE OTHER DAY IN THE DAY AND, AND JUST LOOK AT, UM, IS THERE ANY LOGIC? I'M GOING TO 68.
AND WE HAVE THE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN STARTING TO SET ASIDE ON A FIVE, I BELIEVE IT'S A FIVE YEAR PLAN TO MAP THE SEWER.
HAVE WE, HAVE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT JUST GETTING THAT DONE UNDER OUR LOAN THAT WE'RE TAKING OUT FOR OUR, UH, THOSE ARE ENTERPRISE FUNDS LOANS.
WE'D HAVE TO DO A SEPARATE, UH, THOSE ARE ONLY FOR WATER AND SEWER.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A SEPARATE LOAN FOR THAT IF WE WANTED TO ELECTED TO DO IT.
WELL, ALL I'M SAYING IS, I MEAN, OUR DEBTS COMING DOWN.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE LOAN FOR THE, UH, CENTRIFUGE AND YES.
I I'M JUST WONDERING, COULD WE, YEAH, WE CERTAINLY COULD IF WE WANTED TO ADVANCE IT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW DETRIMENTAL IT IS.
AGAIN, THAT'S THE REPLACEMENTS THAT YOU'VE BROKEN OUT HERE.
SNOW PLOW, SALT SPREADERS, AND THEIR PORTION OF THE TRACK LOADER.
UH, AND THEN WE GET INTO, UH, MOTOR VEHICLES.
I ASSUME THAT'S CONTINUING TO WIDEN IT.
UM, SO THAT WAS A, UM, UH, THAT'S A, A LIGHT ITEM.
I OBVIOUSLY FOR HAPPY CREEK ROAD, UH, WE'VE NOT BUDGETED ANYTHING FOR HAPPY CREEK, BUT IT COULD BE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE, UH, NEXT PHASE OF IT.
WE COULD PUT MONEY ASIDE FOR THAT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NO, I MEAN, WE HAVE THE LAND GONNA BE DONATED TO US.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT HANOCK THING? THAT WHOLE SMALL PIECE.
THAT, THAT PIECE IS GONNA BE YEAH.
WE'RE GONNA NEED, WE'RE GONNA MORE.
WELL, I MEAN, BUT THAT'S A START.
AND WE HAVE, UH, IF I UNDERSTOOD IN THE TRAFFIC COMMITTEE, THEY WOULD, THE GUY SAID SOMETHING, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR MATCHING FOX.
HAPPY CREEK, PHASE TWO HAS NOT EVER BEEN ELIGIBLE SINCE EVEN BEFORE I CAME ON COUNCIL.
UM, UNDER THE STUDIES, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF FACTORS THAT PLAY INTO IT.
BUT ONE OF 'EM IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND RESIDENTIAL.
SO ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENT OUT IN, UH, CHAND SHORES, LEACH RUN PARKWAY, THE HOSPITAL, NONE OF THAT COUNTED AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR WILL COUNT AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'LL NEVER PROBABLY QUALIFY FOR THE BDO MATCHING MA'AM PROGRAM.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE'RE EVER THINKING WE WANT TO DO IT, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A KNOWN COUNCIL FOR 20 YEARS TO WIDEN IT, ESPECIALLY THROUGH THAT DANGEROUS CURVE BEAR NOW TO HOSPITALS OUT THERE, AND THE SAME WITH NEW SIDEWALK.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, WALKABILITY IN OUR TOWN.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE, UH, PROJECT UP ON WEST CHRYSLER, BUT WE HAVE TWO LINES THERE.
I'M, I'M JUST POINTING THIS OUT.
WE'VE CHOSEN AT THIS POINT NOT PUTTING MONEY IN THERE.
SO THERE ARE NEW SIDEWALKS INCLUDED WITH THE
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PAINTING PLAN, RIGHT.FOR VIRGINIA AVENUE AND, UH EXACTLY.
I, ASIDE FROM THAT AND THE HAPPY CREEK PROJECT, IT WAS WHEN I VERY FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY MILLIONS AND MILLIONS, PHASE TWO OF HAPPY CREEK BREAD WAS GOOD.
WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT WITH THE COUNTY ONLY NUMBER, BUT I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE 31 MILLION.
YEAH, 30 OVER WAS, IT'S FOR HAPPY CREEK.
PHASE TWO, A FLYOVERS OVER 67 MILLION.
I CAN'T, CAN'T, I WILL SAY ONE THING I SAW IN THE PAPER FRIDAY MAYBE, OR WHEREVER THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD IS MEETING IN MAY AND STANTON, AND THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE CAN GIVE INPUT, UM, ABOUT PROJECTS, CAPITAL PROJECTS AND STUFF.
AND HONESTLY, I THOUGHT ABOUT LIKE CHERYL'S GOTTEN FUNDING FOR SOME THINGS IN SOUTH RIVER FROM THOSE, BUT I JUST WISH WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET FUNDING FOR HAPPY.
WE HAD STAFF ATTEND THE, UH, THE
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S HOW, UM, I KNOW I'VE GOT, GOT THE TURN ON.
FOLKS WENT DOWN HERE, UNFORTUNATELY WENT DOWN.
PART OF THEM GETTING, IT WAS FOUR FOR, UNFORTUNATELY THEY SCORED HIGHER BECAUSE OF FATALITIES.
WE'VE BEEN TOLD MULTIPLE TIMES, AND I DON'T EVEN WANT TO SAY IT, BUT HAPPY CREEKRIDGE IS THERE'S NO, WE DON'T QUALIFY.
WHICH I'LL, THAT'S WHY I, YEAH, I'M GRATEFUL FOR, BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S HOW IT HELPS YOUR SCORING.
HOW SAD IS THAT? BUT IT'S TRUE.
WELL, IT IS IN YOUR PRESENT TAKEN.
AND I JUST HAD A COUPLE NOTES.
SO THE $16 MILLION IN PERSONNEL IS, IS, THAT'S THE TOTAL ALL AREAS ENTERPRISES? CORRECT.
WHERE DO REPAIRS TO CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE COME FROM TO FIX THINGS LIKE JOHN MARSHALL? IS THAT IN THE BUDGET? IS THAT A LINE ITEM? I MEAN, UH, NORMAL REPAIRS, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S JUST AVERAGE REPAIRS, IT'S UH, PART OF OUR NORMAL LINE ITEMS. THERE'S A, UH, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE.
UH, UH, REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES $130,000, UH, UNDER, UH, ON PAGE 68, THE HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE FUND.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE, LIKE YOU SAY, FOR A, A NORMAL REPAIR, IF WE HAD A, A PIECE OF, UH, POTHOLE TO BE REPLACED AND YOU HAD TO PUT SOME PAVEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND UNDER THAT WE HAVE THE LINE PAINTING AND EVERYTHING.
AND THAT'S ALL CONTRACTED OUT THOUGH, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THE CROSSWALKS 50,000, I DIDN'T SEE THAT EARLIER, BUT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, WHEN WE SAY CROSSWALKS 50,000, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT IT'S THE RE PUT NEW THERMOPLASTIC DOWN ON CROSSWALKS.
UM, SO EACH CROSSWALK, THE CROSSWALKS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
UH, SO YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A, UM, UH, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR TAKING IT UP AND IT'S NOT TAKEN UP CORRECTLY.
WE'VE KIND OF SEEN WHAT HAPPENED AT THE INTERSECTION HERE.
BUT, UH, SO THAT'S NO FLASHING TOP.
THAT'S JUST MAINTAINING THE, THE THERMOPLASTICS, THE DRIVING AND THE, OKAY, WELL THAT'S GOOD.
SO, UH, WITH THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, IF WE DO ONE REPAIR AT 130,000, WE'VE SHOWN OUR COURSE WARRANT THIS YEAR.
ONE OTHER THING, AND IT CAME UP WHEN I, I WAS TALKING TO CARRIE, I THINK I MENTIONED AT THE COUNCIL THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS.
I BELIEVE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT FALLS, BUT, UH, CARRIE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHEN NEW SUBDIVISIONS GO IN, THEY PUT IN CURVE BETTER SIDEWALK, THEY RUN THE CONDUIT, BUT THEN CARRIE AND THE CREW TAKE THE LIGHT POLE OUT AND PUT IT OUT.
AND WE SHOULDN'T BE SUBSIDIZING THAT.
I FEEL THE DEVELOPER SHOULD, I THINK THEY'RE GETTING AWAY WITH IT.
SO IN OUR TOWN CODES PER LOT CHARGE, IF IT'S A NEW SUBDIVISION, THEY'RE CHARGED $2,500 PER LOT.
SO THERE'S JUST TAKE MARSHALL GLENN.
UM, BUT THERE'S A HUNDRED LOTS UNDER OUR CURRENT CODE.
SO WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO TO? BACK TO THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT? IT GIVES IN SERVICE CHARGES FOR THE OH, OKAY.
UM, BUT WE, IT IS, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS, THAT'S ONE OF OUR RATE STUDY
WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THIS.
SO YOU THINK THAT THE RATE STUDY MIGHT
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SHARE, SHOW US WHETHER OR NOT THAT NUMBER IS NOT, WE'RE LOW JUST WITH INFLATION ALONE AND THE COST OF, OF MATERIAL.I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN ADJUSTED IN PROBABLY 20 YEARS AT LEAST.
LAST QUESTION FOR ME, I BELIEVE IS, UM, WELL, I APOLOGIZE.
I HAD IT HERE A SECOND AGO, BRUCE.
OH, HE'S LOOKING FOR HIS LAST QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE TELL MY NAME? HE DID.
I JUST HAD A, HAD A QUESTION AND I THINK, I THINK IT, IT MAY HAVE BEEN, UH, ADDRESSED LAST WEEK.
IT HAD TO DO WITH THE, THE NEW POSITION FOR THE, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
IT WAS ONLY BUDGETED FOR SIX MONTHS.
I WANTED TO GIVE THE, UH, ONE TO, UH, FREE UP FUNDING BECAUSE, UH, NEXT YEAR SOME OF THOSE DEBT SERVICES WILL DROP OFF FROM ONE OF THOSE FUNDS.
UH, BUT THE OTHER THING WAS TO GIVE THE, UM, UH, GIVE US TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE WANT THAT STRUCTURE TO LOOK.
SO THE, I MEAN, THE JOB DESCRIPTION IS KIND OF STILL.
SO ALONG THAT LINE, I'LL BRING THIS UP.
SOMEBODY ELSE ALREADY MENTIONED IT, BUT IT CAME UP LAST WEEK ABOUT AN ENGINEER AND WE, THIS BEEN THE FIRST TIME THAT IT'S COME UP.
EVEN FORMER STAFF BROUGHT THIS UP.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT ENGINEER COULD THAT ONE OF THESE POSITIONS, OBVIOUSLY SOME OF 'EM KNOW, BUT WHERE WE COULD HIRE AN ENGINEER THAT THEY COULD DO SOME OF THESE THINGS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PAY THEM MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT BUDGETED HERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, I DO FEEL LIKE AS MORE AND MORE DEVELOPMENTS COMING INTO TOWN AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND JUST EVEN SOME ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW, THAT HAVING AN ENGINEER ON STAFF, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT YEAR I'M NOT.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD AN ENGINEER ON STAFF? I WANNA SAY IT WAS RIGHT WHEN I WHAT? 2020? 20.
IT WAS RIGHT WHEN I CAME IN MM-HMM
I CAME IN AND THEY WERE GOING OUT.
UM, SO ANYWAY, I WAS JUST SAYING, LIKE I, I KNOW, I KNOW COUNCILMAN WOOD AND I DISCUSSED THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AND SO, I MEAN, I'M JUST ONE, I KNOW, I KNOW THE BUDGET'S TIGHT AND I'M SO VERY GRATEFUL THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO GIVE US A BUDGET THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, APPEAR AS THOUGH IT ALLOWED FOR NO TAX INCREASE.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, THAT THAT WAS SEEMED TO BE A PRIORITY FOR SOME PEOPLE.
BUT I'M JUST ASKING, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY WIGGLE ROOM IN THERE WHERE WE COULD, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DIRECT DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, COULD THERE, COULD THAT, COULD WE HAVE A POSITION THAT'S AN ENGINEER AND MAYBE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING? WHAT? I DON'T KNOW.
I I DON'T, I DON'T, ROBBIE'S NOT HERE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
AND I STARTED, BUT, AND I'VE STARTED THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH THE DEPARTMENTS.
UM, AND WITH MR. PETTY ON BOARD NOW WE'RE GONNA, UH, HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
I PLAN ON COMING BACK IN MAY OKAY.
TO COUNSEL WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT THAT.
BECAUSE THOSE POSITIONS, IT DID SEEM LIKE PEOPLE HAD COUNSEL LAST WEEK WHEN PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT THESE POSITION, THE NEW POSITIONS THAT WE HAD QUESTIONS.
AND IT WASN'T THAT WE DON'T THINK THAT THE POSITIONS ARE VALUABLE, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE IN YOUR OWN HOUSE, YOU, YOUR WANTS YOUR NEEDS.
LIKE IS IT A NEED OR IS IT A WANT? OR IS IT ALMOST A NEED BUT NOT QUITE A NEED YET? AND, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT A PRIORITY.
THAT, THAT WAS THE THING IS SO THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASK.
YOU KNOW, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT SOME PEOPLE REACHED OUT TO US AND SHARED WHAT, WHAT THEIR, UM, WHAT THEIR, UH, PERCEPTION OF WHAT THOSE POSITIONS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE IDEA THAT ENGINEER HAS COME UP MORE THAN ONCE.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING LIKE HOW MUCH MONEY WE SPEND AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES CONTRACTING OUT IS THE WAY TO GO.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT PAYING RETIREMENT, YOU'RE NOT PAYING MEDICAL INSURANCE, YOU DON'T WANT AN OFFICE.
BUT, BUT IT, BUT AGAIN, IN WHAT'S GOING ON NOW AND WHAT WE MIGHT SEE IN THE HORIZON
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IS WOULD WE, DO WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED AN ENGINEER? UM, SO ANYWAY, SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT AMONGST STAFF.SO IS THAT OKAY WITH PEOPLE TO, TO ASK THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND STAFF.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND COUNCILMAN WOOD BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER TALKING ABOUT TOURISM AND HOW MUCH WE FUND OF TOURISM AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR, FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION OF FORT ROYAL TO HEAR.
BUT THIS DISCUSSION WAS HAD PREVIOUSLY WITH PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND I KNOW, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER LLOYD AGREED WITH THIS SENTIMENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CONTRIBUTED.
IT'S, IT SHOULD BE APPRECIATED EVEN IF IT'S MARGINAL.
SO I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUNDING AN ENGINEER VERSUS TOURISM, AN ENGINEER SHOULD ALWAYS BE 10 TIMES HIGHER PRIORITY.
BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BIG T AND LITTLE T AND TOURISM AND HOW IT IMPACTS OUR, OUR REVENUE, WE MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT SHORT.
BUT IF OUR TOWN HAD AN ENGINEER, WHICH IS INVALUABLE, IN MY OPINION, WE'RE GONNA BENEFIT A LOT MORE THAN JUST BY ADDING $50,000 A YEAR TO THE TOURISM BUDGET.
AND ALSO THAT GOES TO SAY, TALKING ABOUT SUBSIDIZATION AND GOVERNMENT NOT BEING THE ANSWER AND SOLUTION TO ALL PROBLEMS. THIS WAS THE UNCOMFORTABLE POINT THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T WANNA ACCEPT.
WHILE WE'RE FUNDING TOURISM, WHICH IS PROMOTING AND INCREASING REVENUE FOR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE DOWNTOWN MARKET AND SOME IN THE CORRIDOR ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN, IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO INCREASE THE SALES REVENUE OF THOSE INDEPENDENT BUSINESS OWNERS.
WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE BUSINESS OF FARMERS, OF LAWYERS, OF ACCOUNTANTS, OF ANY OTHER INDUSTRY THAT'S NOT TOURISM RELATED.
THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT INFUSING MONEY TO INCREASE THEIR SALES REVENUE.
SO IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I STRONGLY FEEL WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING TOURISM AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING AN ENGINEER.
TOURISM IS BESIDE THE WAYSIDE.
AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT IT'S ALSO BECAUSE THANKFULLY WE LIVE IN AN AREA FILLED WITH ECOTOURISM.
I MET WITH A LADY OUT OF DC LAST WEEK WHO CAME TO ME.
SHE LEFT MANHATTAN, MOVED TO DC SHE'S LEAVING DC TO MOVE HERE.
SHE'S LIKE, YOU'VE GOT A NATIONAL PARK, YOU'VE GOT A STATE PARK IN THE CANOE CAPITAL OF VIRGINIA.
WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS WITHOUT EVEN DUMPING TAXPAYER FUNDED DOLLARS INTO IT.
SO I JUST THINK, AND I HOPE THAT, UM, THE SENTIMENT WILL BE HEARD THAT IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO INCREASE SALES REVENUE OF BUSINESS OWNERS.
UM, AT ANY TIME THAT WE DO OR WE CAN, IT SHOULD BE APPRECIATED.
AND UM, YEAH, SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FUNDING THOSE TWO, THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT I'D BE WILLING TO FUND IN AN ECONOMY LIKE THIS.
AND THAT WOULD BE AN ENGINEER.
UH, HE COULD BE THE UH, OR SHE COULD BE THE, UH, I GOT, I GOT IT.
D EI BE THE CHECK AND BALANCE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN PLANS ARE BEING REVIEWED AND WHATNOT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION OF ALL OF THE FACTORS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING WATER, WATER, UH, MITIGATION ISSUES.
UM, OUR TOPOGRAPHY HERE IS CHALLENGING TO SAY THE LEAST.
SO, UM, CERTAINLY, UM, WE, WE'VE LOST, WE'VE LOST A LITTLE BIT BY NOT HAVING AN
IF WE HAVE A VISION AND WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE STAFF, THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE HERE.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST CAPITALISM DOING ITS THING IS WHEN YOU INCREASE THE QUALITY, YOU INCREASE THE COMPETITION, YOU DRIVE DOWN PRICES, YOU INCREASE BUSINESS.
I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S A, IT'S A DOMINO EFFECT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT'S WHY I SAID AN ENGINEER SHOULD TRUMP ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO TOURISM FROM THE TOWN, WHICH IS FUNDING THAT WAS ALREADY GRACIOUS ON OUR PART.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE STAFF, IT SOUNDS LIKE STAFF IS AWARE OF WHAT WE ARE THINKING.
MIGHT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT, MIGHT BE SOME KIND OF TWEAKING IF WE'RE ABLE TO YEAH, WE, WE'LL COME BACK AND BANG.
YEAH, I'M GIGGLING BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK BRUCE TOUCHED ON SOMETHING.
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DOING OUR WATER STUDY.ARE WE GONNA GET THAT DONE UNDER THIS BUDGET HERE? WATER STUDY'S DONE, BUT WE HAVE OPTIONS.
WE GOTTA LOOK AT OPTIONS AND HOW TO FUND WHICH OPTION FROM THE WATER STUDY.
I MEAN WE HAVE THE WATER SECONDARY FOUR OPTIONS SECONDARY.
THEY WANT US TO COME BACK AND SAY OF THESE PICK AND CHOOSE.
AND HE THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE WATER RATE THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE WATER, THE WATER STUDY FOR THE REWRITE.
YOU MEAN THE SECONDARY WATER SOURCE? YES.
I'LL UM, YOU'RE HOPING TO GET THAT DONE UNDER THIS BUDGET? CORRECT.
UM, I WILL HAVE, UH, UH, GIVEN ME UNTIL THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
I'LL HAVE SOMETHING OUT TO COUNCIL RIGHT NOW.
NOW WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? IS IT GONNA BE ANOTHER RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING, JUST LIKE THE SIDEWALKS, JUST LIKE THE OTHER THING I MENTIONED.
WE HAVE A LINE ON THEM, BUT WE HAVE NO MONEY WE'RE SETTING ASIDE.
SO NEXT YEAR IN THE WATER WATER FUND, WE WILL HAVE SOME DEBT SERVICES PAID OFF.
SO THAT MAY BE AN OPTION FOR THAT.
THAT WAS MY LAST NOTE THAT ARE WE THINKING ABOUT THAT IN OUR NEXT BUDGET? BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN WE, OUR RETREAT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS A, THAT WAS SOMETHING ON OUR, OUR, UM, ON OUR FOR INDULGENCE.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IF YOU ADJUST ANY OF THOSE RATES FOR HOOKUPS OR WHATEVER FOR THE, FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, MIDSTREAM.
DO THEY, ARE WE TIED INTO OLD RATES? LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 2,500 FOR THE POLL REPLACEMENT? WE'RE NOT TIED.
NO, THEY GO EFFECTIVE UPON APPROVAL USUALLY.
SO IF WE, WELL, THE WATER RATES WILL MAKE EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST AND TESTING.
I THINK YOU MEAN IF THE DEVELOPMENT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BUT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED? YEAH.
THE RATE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE CHARGED IS WHEN IT'S DEVELOPED.
NOT FROM WHEN IT WAS APPROVED.
WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY PAYING THE FEES.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET THEIR ZONING APPROVED FOR DEVELOPMENT, DON'T DEVELOP IT FOR 20 YEARS.
IN TERMS ALL I APPRECIATE THAT.
ARE WE GOOD? AND OBVIOUSLY MR. WILSON IS AVAILABLE ANYTIME IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TOO.
WELL, WE'LL BE MORE AVAILABLE NOW, BUT HE DOES LIKE, UM, HE DOES LIKE QUESTIONS.
YOU TOLD ME THAT ONE TIME UNLESS YOU WERE JUST YEAH, NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
THAT HE WAS LIKE, I LOVE THE FACT YOU ASKED ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
HE WAS MAKING YOU FEEL BETTER.
HE SAID, I GOD, LORI'S COMING IN AGAIN.
HE SAID I WAS ONE OF THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ASKED QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME, THAT DETAIL, AND THEN, UH, CORRECTED ALL MY MISSPELLINGS IN THE BUDGET.
BUT BEFORE YOU WALK AWAY, I JUST WANNA SAY, I KNOW THAT AS OF TODAY, MR. PETTY IS HERE AND WE ARE GRATEFUL TO HAVE HIM HERE.
OBVIOUSLY WE, I AM RELIEVED FOR YOU SO THAT YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO WEAR TWO HATS.
WE, UH, WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOU AND ANOTHER STAFF KEEPING THIS BOAT AFLOAT.
BUT NOW YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT YOU CAN MANAGE THE TOWN AND BALANCE THE BUDGET TIME.
UH, NO THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING SO PATIENT WITH ME.
'CAUSE I, I MEAN YES, SOME THINGS DID DROP OFF.
WE, I DIDN'T FEEL THAT I SEE THAT.
BUT, UH, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM.
I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT OUR TEAM THAT WE HAVE HERE.
THEY'RE, UH, OF ALL THE, UH, STAFF PICKED UP AND HELPED ME OUT.
I COULD HAVE DONE WITHOUT YEAH, I I JUST SAID THIS AMONGST US, THE COMMUNICATION ACTUALLY IMPROVED.
I MEAN, YOU KEPT US, UH, THE POLICE ARE OVERDOING THIS.
NO, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW BECAUSE WE HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? WHY ARE THEY TEARING UP THE STREET? WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE INFORMED THANKS TO YOU.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE TALKED TO MR. WILSON ABOUT BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE HAD THAT IN THE PAST AND, AND IT MAY BE JUST A QUICK TEXT, BUT IT'S NICE TO HEAR IT BEFORE YOU SEE IT ON FACEBOOK.
I MEAN THE STAFF, YOU, IT'S JUST EVERYBODY KEEPING, EVERYBODY KEEPING.
IT WAS A ONE PAGER BUT IT WAS A LOT.
ALRIGHT, I AM FOUR AND THE PURCHASE THE DOOR CIRCLE BREAKERS.
SO MICHELLE ACTUALLY HAS THE NEXT FOUR ITEMS. OH, WE'LL GO GET TIRED.
YOUR P ARE USUALLY QUICK UNLESS PEOPLE HAVE LAST QUESTIONS, SO.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, BJ AND CARRIE ARE HERE TONIGHT, SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS,
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I IT TOO.ALL RIGHT, WELL, UM, ITEM FOUR A AGENDA ITEM FOUR A IS FOR THE PURCHASE OF OUTDOOR CIRCUIT BREAKERS FOR THE HAPPY CREEK SUBSTATION EXPANSION PROJECT.
UM, WE ASKED THAT COUNSEL ASKED THAT IS GONNA BE ASKED TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF 2 38 KV, UM, OUTDOOR CIRCUIT BREAKERS.
UM, ON THE APRIL 28TH, REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING, PURCHASING RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY TO SOLICIT AN INVITATION FOR BID FOR THE CIRCUIT BREAKERS AND RECEIVE FOUR RESPONSES.
STAFF IS REQUESTING THE COUNCIL REWARD THE BID TO THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE AND RESPONSIBLE BIDDER CS INCORPORATED, UM, LINE EQUIPMENT SALES OF GLEN ALLEN, VIRGINIA IN THE AMOUNT OF $95,624.
ALL GUIDELINES FOR COMPETITIVE SEAL BIDDING AS SET FORTH IN THE VIRGINIA PUBLIC PROCUREMENT ACT HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED.
UM, FUNDING HAS BEEN BUDGETED AND IS AVAILABLE IN THE FISCAL YEAR 25 ELECTRIC
LOOK, MY PEN FOOT WORKING, SORRY.
YEAH, I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? NO.
SO, UM, AND I COULD SAVE YOU SOME TIME.
SO ITEM FOUR B IS THE PURCHASE OF THE TRUCK CHASSIS AND DUMP BED FOR HORTICULTURE.
OBVIOUSLY STAFF HAS READ THE SUMMARY.
IT TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE QUOTES, UM, AND UH, AND THE FACT THAT WE'VE ALREADY SET SOME MONEY ASIDE IN PREVIOUS BUDGETS.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVING.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? JUST ONE ABOUT THE BID PROCESS TO UNDERSTAND ON AUTOMOBILES WHEN, OKAY, SO THIS IS AUTHORIZED OR THEY TELL YOU TO GO OUT AND DO THIS.
DO YOU JUST GO LOOK AT THE SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE USE? OR IS IT BID OUT? UH, COULDN'T THE FORD DEALER OUT HERE ON 5 22 BID ON IT? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, IT BIDS GO OUT ON THE STATE, ON THE STATE'S WEBSITE EVO.
WELL ANYBODY IN THE STATE COULD BID ON IT.
WE WOULDN'T GO LIKE PENNSYLVANIA TO A MASS FORWARD PLACE UP THERE.
UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I JUST, YEAH, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, THE BED CROP CENTER DUMP BODY IS FROM NORTH CAROLINA.
I JUST WONDERING HOW THEY PARTICIPATE OR DON'T.
AND USUALLY WITH THE FLEET SALES, IT'S GOTTA BE ON A LARGER SCALE.
IS GSA IS GSA, IS THAT ONLY FEDERAL OR IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU DEAL WITH AT ALL? OH, WE'VE DONE GSA ONCE OR TWICE IN THE PAST, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
A LOT OF THOSE CONTRACTS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY TO USE.
SO, UM, WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE WE USE? MICHELLE? IT'S NOT STATE CONTRACT, IT'S THE, UM, WE USE IT A LOT.
WE USE SOURCE WELL'S A BIG ONE.
THEY WERE DOWN AT, UM, NORTH CAROLINA.
YEAH, LIKE THE, LIKE I GET NOTICES FOR GSA, I DON'T KNOW WHY.
YEAH, IT'S ON SOME SITES SOMEWHERE AND, UM, BUT IT, IT'S FROM ALL OVER THE NATION, BUT A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR TRANSPORT.
SO YOU, FOR THESE DO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR TRANSPORT FOR SOME OF THESE? WE'LL GO GET THEM.
UM, USUALLY THEY BRING 'EM TO US.
YEAH, WELL IT'S GODWIN'S BASED.
GODWIN SELLS TRUCK ALL OVER THE WORLD.
SO EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH PUTTING THAT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO FOUR C.
AND THIS IS A PURCHASE OF A TRUCK CHASSIS AND SERVICE BODY FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SERVICES.
AND YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT WAS COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING, UM, QUOTE FROM THE SAME FOLKS HAUL AUTOMOTIVE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, AND UH, AND THE, THE BUDGET, THE MONEY FOR THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THIS FY 25 BUDGET.
SO IT IS, IT SAYS FUNDS TO PURCHASE THE TRUCKER INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT FY 25 BUDGET.
SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS ABOUT THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVING THAT CONSENT AGENDA? SO CONSENT AGENDA, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
ALRIGHT, WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR D, WHICH IS THE PURCHASE OF A TRUCK CHASSIS WITH UTILITY BED AND CRANE FOR THE FLEET MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.
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IS IN THIS BUDGET AS WELL.AND THAT WAS COOPERATIVE CONTRACT IN HAUL AUTOMOTIVE.
THEY OUGHT TO GIVE US A DEAL WITH THE THREE AND THREE THINGS AT ONCE.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF, I'M JUST KIDDING.
GUESS WE DON'T GIVE DISCOUNT FOR THREE THINGS? UM, HOPEFULLY WE'RE GETTING DISCOUNT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT DRUNK? SO DRY CONSENT AGENDA.
CONSENT AGENDA UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY, IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT ONE TOO? I KNOW EVERYBODY HAD THIS INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M GOING THROUGH IT AS QUICK AS I, I CAN 'CAUSE IT.
THEY HAD THIS SINCE LAST THURSDAY, SO.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S FOUR ITEMS THERE.
THE CONSENT AGENDA ON THE 28TH, MS. PRESLEY.
I'M SORRY, WHAT YOU FOR FOUR? YEAH, YOU, I THOUGHT THAT WAS FOUR.
THAT WAS FOUR ITEMS. YOU'RE FIVE.
SO THE BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT GRANT, WAIT, NO WAIT, I'M SORRY.
OH WELL I KNOW BUT IT SAYS CHIEF WHITE SO THAT'S YEAH, HE'S, HE'S OUTSIDE GOING.
THE UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT RECEIVED A GRANT FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THE, UH, LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT GRANT.
SORRY, THE EXPENDITURE DOWN, DOWN THERE HAS A, UH, A TYPO WHERE THE FOUR IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE ER SIGN.
I WAS LIKE THAT'S, I WAS LIKE, UM, WORD IS THIS JUST GONNA GO TOWARD IT.
LIKE I KNOW, I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA PICK UP SOME OTHER ONE.
BUT, UH, UH, BUYING A NIGHT VISION BINOCULAR, UH, FOR THE OFFICERS THERE.
UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THAT WOULD'VE BEEN REALLY NICE FOR A SECOND.
WE NEED TO THANK THESE GUYS FOR WHAT THEY DID THIS PAST WEEK AND I KNOW Y'ALL HANDLED NORTH AVENUE THERE.
NOBODY GOT HURT, RIGHT? UH, THE SUSPECTS.
WELL AND THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT PARTNERED WITH THE FRONT ROYAL PD.
'CAUSE THE FRONT ROYAL PD WERE BUSY WHEN THAT WENT DOWN.
UNFORTUNATE TO HAVE A LOT OF YEAH, THAT WAS YOU HAD WHAT? 40, BUT ANYTIME YOU CAN GET THROUGH A SITUATION WITHOUT ANYBODY GETTING HURT IS IS YEAH.
SO I APPRECIATE BUT WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE, WE HAD HOW MANY? WE HAVE ONE HO WE HAVE ONE NEGOTIATOR ON OUR SIDE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY WARREN COUNTY SUPPLIED.
OFFICER WALLER WAS THE NEGOTIATOR THAT WAS THERE WITH HIM AND THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB GETTING HIM OUT WITH NO PROBLEM.
I MEAN NOT I, I WON'T SAY BRUTE FORCE, BUT BRUTE FORCE AND THE PEACEFUL YOU.
DEFINITELY OUR PEOPLE WERE IN HER PAST.
ALRIGHT, ANYBODY, UM, THIS WILL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TOO, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY.
UM, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GETTING CALLED.
BILLY DID YOU DO YOU C SUGGESTS CALLED YOU BILLY.
OH, DID THEY? IS THAT WHERE IT COME FROM? YES.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS NAME.
THIS IS, THAT'S NOT DC GS WILD RIGHT THERE.
SO IF YOU'RE BILLY, YOU MAY BE BILLY FOR MARIJUANA.
ALRIGHT, SO NEXT UP IS ITEM FOUR F AND THIS IS MR. WILSON'S, UH, FOUR H AND JAMESTOWN PALM STATION'S ENGINEERING DISASTER.
SO WE, UM, THIS IS A TASK ORDER TO KIND OF KEEP THE PROJECTS MOVING.
UM, AS WE DISCUSSED, UH, THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET HAS DEBT SERVICE ALLOCATED IN IT, UH, FOR THESE PROJECTS.
UM, THIS IS NOT THE FINAL ENGINEERING ON THE PROJECTS, BUT THIS WILL INDEED KEEP THE ENGINEERING MOVING FORWARD.
SO THAT WAY, UM, WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY GET A, UH, UM, A BETTER RATE WHEN WE GO FOR APPLICATION TO SHOW OUR COMMITMENT FOR THESE.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE KEEP BOTH OF 'EM MOVING ALONG, UH, IS TO SHOW OUR COMMITMENT TO GET THESE THINGS DONE.
UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL ONCE, UH, ADDITIONAL FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE HOPEFULLY WITH THE LOAN, UH, TO FINALIZE THE ENGINEERING.
BUT WE'RE REQUESTING, UH, COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE $150,000 CASH WORK TO KEEP THESE MOVING.
SO 2025 IS THE BML POLICY COMMITTEE NOMINATIONS.
YOU GUYS KNOW THAT USUALLY SUMMERTIME IS WHEN THEY TEND TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS AND WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE.
SO EVERYBODY'S TERM ACTUALLY ENDED DECEMBER 31ST.
UM, THE BEAUTY IS THAT WE'RE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE HERE JUST ABOUT WE HAVE CHANGE IN TOWN MANAGER, BUT, UM, SO YOU SEE THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES.
COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FINANCE, GENERAL LAWS, HUMAN DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
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NOW, IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THOSE WERE THE PEOPLE THAT SERVED ON THOSE COMMITTEES.I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO ANYBODY CHANGING IF THEY WANT TO, AS LONG AS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO CHANGE WITH THEM.
UM, BUT, BUT IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S LIKE, I REALLY DIDN'T ENJOY THAT AND I WENT OFF THAT THING? I'D LIKE TO GET OFF FINANCE AND QUITE HONESTLY, I ATTENDED TWO MEETINGS AND OKAY.
IT'S LIKE AN HOUR OF MY LIFE I'LL NEVER GET BACK.
TALK ABOUT SCHOOLS THINGS HAVE NOTHING.
YEAH, I'VE SERVED ON ALL OF, I HAD ONE EDUCATION SCHOOLS WHENEVER I WAS ON THAT, IT SPENT TWO HOURS.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I HAVEN'T SERVED ON.
AND WE, IT DIDN'T AFFECT US, BUT THAT WAS THE COMMITTEE.
UM, SO I'M STAY ON GENERAL LAWS WITH GEORGE.
IT WAS ABOUT THINGS THAT WE COULDN'T CHANGE THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DID AND WE HAD TO BOW DOWN.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE WHAT I, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW I WAS MOVING IS EVERY, MAYBE WHAT I NEED TO SAY IS NOT WHO WANTS ALL, WHO'S WILLING TO TAKE SOME OF THESE ONE? YEAH.
THERE'S TOO MANY, NO ONE'S GONNA JUMP FINANCE AFTER GLEN'S COMMENT, BUT I MIGHT, I MIGHT JUST DRAW STRAWS HERE, FOLKS, IF THERE'S, IS THERE TOO MANY OR LIKE, IS THERE NOT ENOUGH? I MEAN, TOO MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SERVE, SO I'LL BE ON NONE.
SEE, SACRIFICE MY POSITION, JOSH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT LISTED HERE.
YOU HAVE MORE LIFE THAN WHAT ONE DO I WANT HERE? SO, NO KIDDING.
I MEAN, ALL SERIOUSNESS, LET'S MAKE THIS, IT'S TWO MINUTES.
WHAT DID YOU ALL LIKE? HE CAN HAVE FINANCE AND GLEN CAN HAVE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T EVER WANNA BE ON IT AGAIN.
UM, SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE COUNCILMAN WOOD.
UM, WITHOUT LIZZIE BEING HERE, I DON'T, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK SHE WOULD STILL WANNA BE ON THAT.
UM, UNLESS THERE IS SO THAT THE POINT IS, UNLESS, UNLESS MR. PETTY, YOU WOULD HAVE A PREFERENCE TO BE ON THAT AT THIS TIME.
YOU OR WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHAT LIZZIE IF LIZZIE, YEAH.
THAT'S AN APPOINTED, THE TOWN MANAGER APPOINTS THE STAFF FOR THOSE ACTUALLY, YES.
SO, SO ONE YEAR THE TOWN MANAGER SAT AT THAT AND THEN WHEN LIZZIE GOT PROMOTED LAST YEAR, JOE APPOINTED HER.
'CAUSE HIS PLATE WAS REALLY FULL.
BUT YEAH, SO, UM, BJ HAS OBVIOUSLY STILL SHOULD BE ON THE FINANCE ME, UM, AND GENERAL LAWS SHOULD STILL BE GEORGE, UM, AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
I THINK HAVING ROBBIE BOYER THERE MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
OBVIOUSLY BRUCE, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GOOD WITH WHAT YOU ARE.
AND MELISSA, YOU LIKED THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT EDUCATION? WELL, IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVE THE MOST.
THEY, THEY DON'T, IT'S STILL AN HOUR I DON'T LIKE EITHER, BUT
BUT, UM, I WOULD, AND THEN I'M NOT SURE WHY JOE SIGNED UP FOR THAT IN PARTICULAR, LIKE IF THAT'S RELEVANT FOR THE TOWN MANAGER.
I DON'T, I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS NOBODY UP.
THAT ONE WAS THE ONE, WE COULDN'T THINK OF ANYBODY FOR HUMAN DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SCHOOLS.
SO I THINK JOE, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A, A STAFF, THERE'S A FEW THINGS LIKE MAYBE WE TALKED ABOUT LEFT, BUT WE'LL LEAVE THAT.
WELL GONNA, THAT'S WHAT SAID, JESS SAID SHE'S NOT HERE.
NO, I WAS LUCKY I WAS STUDYING.
SO WE, WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU WHERE YOU THINK, BUT I, THERE ARE CERTAIN STAFF MEMBERS, THEY JUST NEED TO BE ON IT.
BUT THOSE TWO, UM, HUMAN DEVELOPMENT EDUCATION, MAYBE ASSIGN SOMEBODY OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT, BECAUSE I WAS SERVED ON IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS WHEN I WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEY SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOOLS AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE LAST SUMMER THERE WAS A LOT ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND YEAH, BUT IT, BUT THERE WAS A LOT ABOUT DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND SCHOOLS.
AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL DOES NOT OVERSEE EITHER OF THOSE RESOURCES.
HEY, WE DON'T OVERSEE THE LAWS THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IMPLEMENTED FOR SECONDARY OFFENSES THAT CAUSED A BUNCH OF ERRONEOUS ACCIDENTS AND DRUGS TO GO BY.
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OKAY.WHAT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPOINT A STAFF MEMBER.
OH, WE DON'T, NO, IT'S UP TO ONE THAT HAS TO BE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE STAFF MEMBERS, IT'S OKAY.
I THINK FOR GENERAL LAWS, WE NEEDED GEORGE BECAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE, I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE SAID SHOULD PROBABLY STILL BE ON IT.
RIGHT? YOU KNOW, MORE THAN LIKELY.
BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS RIGHT.
BUT I'M SAYING IN LIZZIE'S POSITION, I THINK THAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY STILL NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY.
WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE YOU, LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.
SO, UM, THE NEXT THREE ITEMS, UM, FOR COUNSEL'S KNOWLEDGE, UM, WE DECIDED WE WERE GONNA DO THE PROCLAMATION SOME PROCLAMATIONS TONIGHT.
UM, MAINLY BECAUSE THE 28TH WE HAD JUST AS MANY IF NOT MORE ON THAT NIGHT.
AND SO RATHER, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY THEIR, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, BE RECOGNIZED.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, UM, HAS THAT.
SO THE, UM, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA READ IT OUT HERE.
MS. PRESLEY, DID YOU UNPLUG THE LANCE? I'M SORRY THERE IS HERE.
THAT ONE WASN'T ON THERE, BUT YES, I GOT YOU.
SO, UM, OUR FIRST PROCLAMATION IS NATIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATORS WEEK.
UM, AND THAT'S APRIL 13TH THROUGH THE 19TH.
SO WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THAT WEEK, WHEREAS NATIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATIONS WEEK IS HELD ANNUALLY TO HONOR PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATORS FOR THEIR COMMITMENT, SERVICE, AND SACRIFICE.
AND WHEREAS N-P-S-T-W INITIALLY STARTED IN 1981 BY PATRICIA ANDERSON OF THE CONTRA COSTA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN CALIFORNIA IN 1994, PRESIDENT WILLIAM J. CLINTON SIGNED A PRESIDENTIAL PROCLAMATION DECLARING THE FIRST WEEK IN APRIL AS A TIME TO CELEBRATE AND THANK TELECOMMUNICATIONS PERSONNEL ACROSS THE NATION FOR SERVING OUR COMMUNITY, CITIZENS AND PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL.
24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
NOW THEREFORE, THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL FOR CLAIM, APRIL 13TH THROUGH 19TH 2025 AS NATIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATIONS WEEK IN THE TOWN OF FRONT WORLD, RECOGNIZING OUR OWN TELECOMMUNICATIONS PERSONNEL AT THE FRONT WORLD POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THANK THEM FOR DEDICATING THEIR LIVES TO SERVING THE PUBLIC AND TO RECOGNIZE THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
I'M GOING TO CALL OUT THEIR NAMES, SAMARA BURROWS, I HOPE I'M SAYING THESE CORRECTLY.
PAM RO, CASSIE COURTNEY, JOHN DEAVER, BRITTANY DENNIS, ROBIN DOTSON, BRITTANY STEELE, ERICA VE AND ALICIA W.
AND SO THOSE ARE OUR DEDICATED, UH, TELECOMMUNICATE TELECOMMUNICATORS SO THAT, UM, THAT PROCLAMATION GOES OUT.
UM, THIS ONE I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, WELL, I'LL DO THE ONE THAT IN THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA.
UM, IAAP IS THE NATIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS DAY, WHEREAS DURING WORLD WAR II, THE NEED FOR SKILLED ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY, PARTICULARLY IN THE UNITED STATES.
AND TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS, THE NATIONAL SECRETARIES ASSOCIATION WAS FORMED.
AND WHEREAS OVER TIME, THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS, IAAP WAS FORMED EMPHASIZING EDUCATION, TRAINING AND EXCELLENCE IN ADMINISTRATIVE WORK.
THUS PROMOTING NATIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONAL DAY WITH THE FIRST OBSERVANCE LAUNCHED IN 1952, HIGHLIGHTING THE CRUCIAL ROLE OF ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS ACROSS VARIOUS SECTORS OF THE MODERN ECONOMY AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORLDWIDE.
AND WHEREAS NATIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS DAY RECOGNIZES THE WORK OF ALL ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO SECRETARIES, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANTS, OFFICE MANAGERS, RECEPTIONISTS, AND OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT STAFF WHO PLAY ESSENTIAL ROLES IN KEEPING THE OFFICE RUNNING SMOOTHLY AND EFFICIENTLY EVERY DAY.
AND WHEREAS ORGANIZATION FLEXIBILITY AND ABILITY TO HANDLE THE UNEXPECTED ARE KEY TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONAL SUCCESS, REQUIRING ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE AND COMMUNICATIONS, OFFICE TECHNOLOGY, PROJECT MANAGEMENT, TIME MANAGEMENT, AND CUSTOMER SERVICE TO NA VIEW.
NOW THEREFORE, THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL HEREBY RECOGNIZ AND RECLAIM APRIL 23RD, 2025 AS ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONAL DAY IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, SALUTING THE VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS OF ALL ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS ON THE TOWN STAFF, AND ENCOURAGE ALL EMPLOYERS TO SUPPORT CONTINUED TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS.
RECOGNIZING THAT A WELL-TRAINED WORKFORCE IS ESSENTIAL FOR SUCCESS.
AND SO I I DO WANNA SAY THAT, UM, WELL THIS
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RECOGNIZES OUR TOWN STAFF.THIS IS FOR ALL THAT, UM, THAT, UH, WORK IN FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, EMPLOYERS IN THE TOWN PARK.
WELL, LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS OUR TREE CITY USA PROCLAMATION.
AND I DO WANNA SAY THAT, UM, OUR, UM, LOAN TIME DAY IS SUNDAY, APRIL 27TH.
SO IT'LL ACTUALLY, WE WON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO PROMOTE THAT BEFORE OUR APRIL 28TH MEETING.
UM, SO WHEREAS IN 1872, THE NEBRASKA BOARD OF AGRICULTURE ESTABLISHED A SPECIAL DAY TO BE SET ASIDE FOR THE PLANTING OF TREES.
AND WHEREAS THIS HOLIDAY CALLED ARBOR DAY WAS FIRST OBSERVED WITH THE PLANTING OF MORE THAN A MILLION TREES IN NEBRASKA.
AND WHEREAS ARBOR DAY IS NOW OBSERVED THROUGHOUT THE NATION AND THE WORLD.
AND WHEREAS TREES CAN BE A SOLUTION TO COMBATING CLIMATE CHANGE BY REDUCING THE EROSION OF OUR PRECIOUS STOPS SOIL BY WIND, WATER CUTTING, HEATING, AND COOLING COSTS, MODERATING THE TEMPERATURE, CLEANING THE AIR, PRODUCING LIGHT, GIVING OXYGEN, AND PROVIDING HABITAT FOR WILDLIFE.
AND WHEREAS TREES ARE RENEWABLE RESOURCE, GIVING US PAPER WOOD FOR OUR HOMES, FUEL FOR OUR FIRES, AND COUNTLESS OTHER WOOD PRODUCTS AND TREES IN OUR CITY, INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES, ENHANCE THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF BUSINESS AREAS AND BEAUTIFY OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WHERE ITS TREES, WHEREVER THEY ARE PLANTED, ARE A SOURCE OF JOY AND SPIRITUAL RENEWAL.
NOW, THEREFORE, THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL DO HEREBY PROCLAIM FRIDAY, APRIL 25TH, 2025 IS ARBOR DAY IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
AND I URGE ALL CITIZENS TO CELEBRATE ARBOR DAY AND TO SUPPORT EFFORTS TO PROTECT OUR TREES AND WOODLANDS AND FURTHER OUR URGE ALL CITIZENS TO PLANT TREES, TO GLADEN THE HEART, PROMOTE WELLBEING OF THIS AND FUTURE GENERATION.
AND THIS IS DATED FOR TODAY AND AGAIN APRIL, SUNDAY, APRIL 27TH IS OUR L PINE DAY.
AND ON THAT DAY THERE WILL BE TREES.
I, I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY AT THIS POINT, BUT THERE WILL BE TREES GIVEN AWAY ON THAT DATE DOWN.
OKAY? THE GENERAL EXAMINER JUST COVERS PROPERTY.
UM, AND THERE'LL BE LOTS OF PEOPLE THERE FOR THAT EVENT, THINGS FOR KIDS AND ADULTS.
AND SO, UM, IT'S GOTTEN BIGGER EVERY YEAR WE WILL PLANT, I WILL BE PLANTING A TREE, UM, SOMEWHERE AROUND THE TOWN AREA.
SO JUST COME ON DOWN ON APRIL 27TH.
ALRIGHT, SO MS. PRESSLEY, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THESE PROCLAMATIONS, THERE'RE SIGNED AND NEXT UP IS OUR CLOSED MEETING.
OKAY? AND MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL TO BE IN CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 AND 2.2 DASH 37 12, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA TO THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE, ONE, PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 37 11 A ONE, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, OR INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, MOTION, PERFORMANCE MOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, EMPLOYEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY, MORE SPECIFICALLY TOWN ATTORNEY AND TO PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 3 7 11, A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE AS COUNSEL FOR SPECIFICALLY A STORM WATER ISSUE ON WEST COMMONWEALTH DRIVE, AND B, THE INSOLVENCY AND DISPOSITION OF ASSETS, INCLUDING THE ETHICS PROPERTY FOR THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA.