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          YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO 
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CALL THE ORDER, THE FRONT ROOM TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR 
          [Town Council Work Session on April 7, 2025. ]
WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, APRIL 7TH TO ORDER MS. PRESBY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR  HERE. 
          VICE MAYOR AL HERE. 
          COUNCIL, I'M ON KING HERE. 
          COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. 
          COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? HERE. 
          COUNCIL OCK. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCILMAN BOY HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT THAT WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA IS AN AUTOMATED SPEED CAMERA UPDATE. 
          AND THAT IS THE CHIEF WHITE. 
          OH, ALRIGHT. 
          SO IN THE FIRST, UM, SIDE HERE, YOU SEE, UH, WE GET A MONTHLY, UH, REPORT FROM BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS, UM, WHICH HAVE THE PROCESS, UH, TICKET YOU, AS YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY PROCESSED FOR THE MAY, 2024 ALL THE WAY THROUGH TILL FEBRUARY 25. 
          YOU'LL SEE A DEAD MONTH, WHICH WOULD BE THE JUNE. 
          THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO SCHOOL DURING THAT TIME AND SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE GET, THEY'RE BEHIND. 
          SO BY THE TIME THEY PROCESS 'EM, BY THE TIME WE REVIEW 'EM, BY THE TIME THEY GET FILTERED OUT, THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA LOOK DIFFERENT. 
          SO JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE, LIKE WHEN YOU GET THE PAY CITATIONS, THEY'RE GONNA BE LOWER THAN WHAT YOU SEE, WHAT WAS PROCESSED OR VALID. 
          UM, AND THEN AS YOU SEE THOUGH, THE MONTHS THEY'LL CATCH UP. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THIS IS THE, ALL THE NUMBERS THAT WE PULLED ON THE MONTHLY STATEMENT THAT WE GET, THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. 
          UH, THIS IS BEFORE I RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM BLUE LINE, WHICH WE REACHED OUT, UM, WHICH WE'LL GET TO THAT POINT HERE. 
          BUT ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT AS FAR AS WHAT'S PROCESSED? UM, THE EXCEPTIONS PULLED ON ANY OF THE VALID CITATIONS AND THEN THE PAY CITATIONS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR COUNSEL FROM COUNCIL YET? DID THEY THINK THAT THAT WAS A, UM, A REASONABLE AMOUNT? SO, AND ON THE NEXT ONE, AND I'LL GET TO WHAT THEY PROVIDED ME. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE, WE REACHED OUT TO BLUE LINE, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY COMPARE TO WHAT WE WERE FOR ONE YEAR. 
          SO IT'S HARD TO DO JUST, YOU KNOW, IN MARCH OF, OF, UM, 18TH OF LAST YEAR IS WHEN WE STARTED IT. 
          SO BASICALLY THEY COMPARED MARCH. 
          SO THEY DID A WEEK'S WORTH THERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO COMPARE. 
          THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO PROBABLY LATER IN A FEW MONTHS, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS END OF LIKE FALL AND COMPARE MORE MONTHS. 
          WELL, I JUST MEANT IN TERMS OF LIKE EXCEPTIONS, LIKE THE PERCENTAGE OF EXCEPTIONS TO PROCESS AND, ALRIGHT, SO THE, SO JUST, SO THE PROCESS OF, UM, OBVIOUSLY IS WHAT THEY PROCESS THE EXCEPTIONS. 
          IT COULD BE ANYTHING THAT THEY SPOILED ON THEIR END. 
          YOU KNOW, IT CAN GO AS FAR AS VEHICLE COLOR BEING WRONG. 
          IT COULD BE AS, YOU KNOW, THE TAG JUST WRONG INFORMATION. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PROCESS IT AND SEND THAT THROUGH. 
          SOME THINGS DO GET THROUGH UNDER THE SPOOL PART OF IT, AND THEN WE'RE NOTICING THAT WE'RE PICKING IT UP TOO. 
          SO WE'RE NOTICING SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE SWITCHED AROUND. 
          COLORS ARE DIFFERENT. 
          WE'RE NOT SENDING THOSE OUT. 
          WE'RE MAKING SURE WE HAVE GOOD, VALID INFORMATION THAT MATCHES THE PICTURE DESCRIPTION THAT WE'RE SENDING OUT. 
          RIGHT? I'M SORRY. 
          SO THE SPOIL DON'T GET SENT OUT AT ALL, OR THEY GET SENT OUT AND THEN CORRECT IT? THEY DO NOT. 
          SO THEY COME TO US AND IT'S OUR OFFICERS CATCHING IT AGAIN. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE EXCEPTIONS, I ASSUME, LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THEY DO BEFORE IT GETS TO US. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BASICALLY IT IS BEING OVERLOOKED SEVERAL TIMES. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROCESSING EVERYTHING. 
          THEY'RE FINDING THEIR, THE ERRORS OF WORTH SAYING, NO, THIS IS NOT GOOD. 
          AND THEY'RE SPOILING THOSE, WE'RE GETTING IN THEM. 
          AND WHEN WE GET THEM, IF WE FIND MISTAKES OR ERRORS, THEN WE'RE CATCHING THAT, THAT WAY WE'RE NOT SENDING IT OUT BECAUSE THEN IF WE SEND SOMETHING OUT AND IT'S AFTER THE FACT AND IT JUST CREATES A WHOLE MESS AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO BACKTRACK THAT OR HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T PAY THAT. 
          AND THERE'S BEEN OCCASIONS LIKE THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE SENT OUT WITH THE WRONG HEAD OR WE DID HAVE ALL THOSE CORRECTED AND PEOPLE WERE, WERE REFUNDED ON THAT. 
          I GUESS I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHERE, LIKE, I KNOW A NEIGHBOR WHO GOT ONE GOING TO THE HOSPITAL WHO FELL AND BROKE THEIR FOOT. 
          THEY WROTE A LETTER, IT WAS AN EMERGENT SITUATION. 
          THEIRS WAS WAIVED, UH, BECAUSE THEY COULD PROVE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO THE HOSPITAL IN EMERGENCY. 
          SO SOME OF THOSE ARE BEING WAIVED BY THAT. 
          SO WOULD THAT BE UNDER EXCEPTIONS OR SPOILED? IT COULD BE UNDER EITHER ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT COULD BE UNDER THE SPOILED PART OF IT. 
          THEY GOT TO US ALREADY OR YEAH, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE THE SPOILED PART. 
          IF IT WAS A VALID TICKET, IT GOT TO US AND WE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, YEAH. 
          UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLE GOING THROUGH THERE BECAUSE THEY'LL GET, THEY FLASH IT WENT IN IN THEIR CAR, BUT THEY WERE BEING DRIVEN, SO YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT COULD BE PART OF THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT LOOKS AT IT, THEY, THEY'RE DEALING WITH IT RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S OFFICER HOUSE IS DEALING WITH IT. 
          SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS FLAG? I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, AFTER THE PEAK IN OCTOBER, UH, IT FLATTENED OUT IN DECEMBER, SORT OF JANUARY, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY. 
          IT'S MORE OF A STRAIGHT LINE. 
          SO I MEAN, DO DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO HOLD? I MEAN, NOT, I WAS SURPRISED. 
          REMEMBER THERE'S MORE, MORE PEOPLE SCHOOL IN SUMMER OF DECEMBER AND SUMMER OF JANUARY. 
          SO, AND ALSO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, SOME OF THESE EXCEPTIONS WOULD BE AT, AT SCHOOL IF THERE'S 
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ANY SCHEDULE CHANGING, UH, UH, LATE RELEASE OR EARLY, UH, DISMISSAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR, YOU KNOW, NO SCHOOL. 
          AND WE DIDN'T HAVE, THERE WAS A COUPLE SNOW DAYS AND WE HAD TO GIVE 'EM A CALL. 
          THINGS HAPPEN WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION GET PASSED ON, THEY'RE NOT GOING BACK BACKTRACKING AND SCRAPING THOSE DAYS, SO THEY WILL SHOW UP ON THAT AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO GO OFF TO THEIR REPORT. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE ON THE NEXT SLIDE TO SHOW THE REDUCTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANTED WHEN WE JOIN THIS AGREEMENT. 
          SO YOU WOULD NEED, WE NEED TO GET A FEW MORE MONTHS UNDER US SO WE HAVE A COMPARISON THAT'S FAR MORE PAID THAN I EXPECTED. 
          SO THE BALLOT CITATION IS 65 86. 
          AND THEN THE LAST LINE IS, OF THOSE I GUESS 57, ALMOST 900 LESS HAVE BEEN PAID. 
          DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY'RE BEING, UM, APPEALED OR SO SOME OF 'EM ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          SOME OF 'EM WOULD GO THROUGH THE COURT PROCESS. 
          SOME OF 'EM ARE ON PAYMENT PLANS, SOME OF 'EM ARE DELAYED AND IT TAKES A WHILE TO CATCH UP. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          READY? MOVE ON TO, ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT PART IS WHAT BLUELINE SENT US. 
          UM, AND BASICALLY THEY, THEY HIGHLIGHTED THE FOUR ZONES, WHICH WE HAVE IN THIS AS ROACH, RUSTY, JEFFREY, SCOTT MIDDLE, AND MORGAN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL. 
          UM, BLESS YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          ALRIGHT, SEE IF I CAN GET THIS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THEN I'M NOT GONNA, THIS IS THEIR SLIDE I DIDN'T PUT TOGETHER. 
          SO I DID REVIEW IT. 
          THEY BROKE IT DOWN INTO PHASES, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT THE, THE, THE STUDY AND THEN BROKE IT DOWN FOR THE PUBLIC INFORMATION. 
          SO REALLY WE DID, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WAS AWARE THAT WE HAD PUT IT OUT THERE 30 DAYS PRIOR THEN, THEN DID A WARNING PERIOD. 
          SO THERE'S SIX DAYS OF WARNING, BUT WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW IS HOW MUCH REDUCTION THAT WE GOT. 
          SO WHAT THEY DID IS THEY SHOWED US ON, LET'S SEE, THAT'S JUST SOME OF THE STUFF THEY'D BE LOOKING ON THE NEXT PAGE WITH WHAT WE SENT OUT. 
          THEY EXPLAINS THE PHASES, UM, AND IN THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY WHAT THEY DID WITH THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY, UH, WHAT WE LIKE TO LOOK FOR THE TOWN OF ROWS UNDER DMV. 
          SO IF YOU WANT TO, GOOD. 
          WHAT VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH LOOK UNDER DMV UNDER THEIR SAFETY AND THEY POST THAT IN THERE. 
          UM, HERE'S THEIR STUDY WHERE THEY BREAK IT DOWN. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM GRAPH WHERE IT, IT HAS THE, UM, THE PRE-PROGRAM ALONG WITH THE, THE PUBLIC INFORMATION AND THEN THE ONE, AND THEN THE POST ENFORCEMENT AND THEN END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR AND THEN WEEK ONE. 
          SO AS YOU SEE THOSE NUMBERS THERE, IT'LL, IT'LL SHOW A TOTAL REDUCTION. 
          THOSE ARE SOME OF THE NUMBERS YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING FOR. 
          AND THEN IT'LL, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, IT'LL BREAK IT DOWN BY ZONES. 
          SO THEN YOU'LL GET INTO THE SCHOOL ZONES. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALSO, THIS IS A MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. 
          WHAT THEY DID, SO THEY SHOWED FIVE DAYS ON HERE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD TO COMPARE WITH AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW FOR THIS PAST MARCH. 
          SO THEY WERE ABLE TO BREAK THIS DOWN, UM, TO SHOW A FIVE DAY. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF VEHICLE COUNTS, AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WOULD AVOID IN THE AREAS THAT WOULD THEN REDUCE THE NUMBER OF COUNTS AND THEN FAR AS THE SPEEDING. 
          AND THEY'LL SHOW YOU THE TOTAL COUNTS. 
          SO THE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, CHART B, WHICH IS THE AS ROADS ONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          YES. 
          SO JUST FOR KNOWLEDGE AND FOR PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, AND I KNOW THEY CAN'T SEE THIS, BUT IF THEY GO ONLINE AND SEE IT, SO LIKE ON MARCH 6TH, UM, THERE WERE 672 PEOPLE THAT WOULD PASS THE AREA, RIGHT? 670 YEP. 
          PEOPLES AND ONLY TWO SPEEDERS. 
          IS THAT WHAT SPD? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I GOTCHA. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT TIME UP THERE, IT WOULD BE BETWEEN SEVEN 30 AND EIGHT 30 IN THE MORNING, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          SO IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO WHEN THOSE FLASHERS ARE ARE, AND IT'S KIND OF INTEREST, WELL, FOR AS ROADS ANYWAY, THE NUMBERS ARE THE SAME AS FAR AS LIKE FIVE SPEEDERS, FIVE SPEEDERS. 
          BUT IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, LIKE THERE'S MORE THAN THE PM I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT, BUT IT'S INTERESTING TO ME. 
          UM, AND RUSTY JEFFRIES IS STILL, UM, WOW, THAT'S STILL AN ISSUE, HUH? I MEAN, NOT AN ISSUE, BUT I'M SAYING THE AFTERNOON IS A BIGGER ISSUE. 
          BUT DO YOU THINK THAT CHIEF, DO YOU THINK THAT COINCIDES WITH LIKE, PEOPLE GETTING HOME FROM WORK? I MEAN, I KNOW PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING HOME AT 2 45, BUT SOME PEOPLE THAT GO DOWN IN THE, LIKE I KNOW LIKE HE GOES, IF YOU GO TO WORK AT FOUR OR FIVE IN THE MORNING DOWN THIS CITY, YOU ARE GETTING HOME SOMETIMES BETWEEN 2 33. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU, RUSTY EVEN HAS A CROSSING GUARD SEEN NOW THERE THOUGH. 
          SO I WILL TELL YOU ON THE MIDDLE WITH, UM, YEAH, BUT THERE'S NO NEED A BACK UP HERE ON THE, UM, UP TOP WHERE IF YOU GO TO THIS SLIDE THAT I'M SHOWING HERE MM-HMM . 
          UM, WHERE IT SAYS SPEED REDUCTION BY VEHICLE BY BASIS, UH, THEY'RE SHOWING A 97% REDUCTION BY THE STATS, UH, THAT WE, SO 
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THEY'RE SHOWING A HUGE REDUCTION FOR THAT WEEK. 
          UM, BUT GO BACK TO, UM, RESTY JEFFRIES. 
          IT IS A HIGH TRAVELED AREA. 
          UM, I REMEMBER TIMES WHERE WE HAD TO CROSS THE CAR, CAR OUT WHEN I WAS ON THE STREET AND I WAS, YOU KNOW, DOING THAT. 
          THEY WOULD DISREGARD ME BEING, THERE WERE LIGHTS FLASHING, UM, AND VEHICLES GOING OBVIOUSLY FAST, UH, EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT GOT MY ATTENTION, BUT THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO 'CAUSE I CAN'T LEAVE THE CHILDREN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STAYING OUT THERE AS BEST YOU CAN. 
          SO IT IS HIGHLY TRAVELED TO SAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, A ROUTE THAT PEOPLE USE FOR COMMUTERS. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT IS, IT COULD BE. 
          UM, I WAS JUST SAYING FROM 37 TO 82, YOU KNOW, FROM MORNING SPEAKERS TO, I MEAN, THAT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE IN THE AFTERNOON. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          IT'S IN THE BOWL RIGHT HERE. 
          97%, 97% OVERALL FOR ALL THE OVERALL OH, I THOUGHT RU YEAH, NO, THAT WAS RUSTY I WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S A COMPARISON. 
          THEY DID FOR THE FIVE DAYS, THEY WERE ABLE TO COMPARE. 
          SO I'M SURE IT WENT DOWN. 
          I GOT A LOT OF NASTY CALLS AND EMAILS FOR THE FIRST PEOPLE TO GET THERE AND, AND I, AND, AND GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE WHERE IT SUCKS ABOUT SKYLINE MIDDLE AND WARM MIDDLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IT'S THE SAME THING AND PM AM VERSUS PM AT WARM MIDDLE. 
          BUT LIKE SKYLINE, IT'S CONSISTENT LIKE 18, 19. 
          YEAH. 
          I I I'M JUST SUCH A, I'M A NUMBER KIND OF PERSON AND I'M LIKE LOOKING GOING AT LIKE DOUBLE IN THE PM AT WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE. 
          BUT AGAIN, I, I KNOW PEOPLE USING  PARKWAY OR COME, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING OFF OF 55 MILES. 
          WELL, C COLLEGE AND THE ENTIRE INDUSTRIAL PARKLET AT THE SAME TIME AS THE SCHOOL TOO. 
          AND THAT'S 10 MILES PER HOUR HIGHER THAN ALL THE OTHER ONES. 
          THE SCHOOL SPEED LIMIT AT WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL WAS 25 WHEN FLASHING NOT 15 AT WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE. 
          YEAH, THAT, YEP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SO THAT'S 20, THEY'RE GOING 10 PLUS MILES PER HOUR OVER 25, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S THE AUTO BOMB FOR OIL. 
          IT HAS BEEN SINCE IT WAS BUILT. 
          CAN CAN WE GO BACK TO, UH, RUSTY JEFF? I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF WE, WE KNOW IF THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WERE RUNNING EAST VERSUS WEST, SO I PROBABLY CAN'T GET THAT BREAKDOWN FOR YOU. 
          UM, AS FAR AS WHAT DIRECTION ALL THAT GOES. 
          IT IS A DI UM, I KNOW WHEN THE WENT DOWN THAT HILL REVIEW THOSE ON OUR END, IT WILL SAY, UH, IT WAS EAST OR WESTBOUND. 
          WE WILL STATE THAT ON THERE, BUT IT, IT DIDN'T ON THE, THE CHART THAT THEY PROVIDED FOR THIS. 
          WHAT ABOUT RAISED SPEED BUMPS, LIKE KENRICK OUT? IS IT 15 OR 25 A DAY IS LIKE A GENERAL E IT WOULD BE NORMALLY 25 15. 
          JUST HIT THE JUMP. 
          JUST JUMP OVER TO SCHOOL 25 FLASH FRIDAY. 
          FRIDAY AFTERNOON, PEOPLE READ FARM PARKWAY WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD DROP FROM 35 TO 25. 
          THE SUMMER. 
          25 50. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA KEEP GOING. 
          WE JUST, THE CIRCLE EXPERIENCE WE STARTED. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS ABOUT IT. 
          UM, THAT WAS THE LAST PART ON THIS SLIDE, BUT THAT'S 97% JUST TO POINT OUT TO EVERYONE IN THE LAST YEAR, UH, UH, ACTUALLY YEAH, LAST YEAR WE WERE 96% 94. 
          94%. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          94% THIS YEAR IS WHAT, 97%. 
          SO JUST, JUST WANT EVERYBODY KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S ONLY A WEEK COMPARISON THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET. 
          UM, IT DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET THIS STUFF IN. 
          WELL, AND TWO, I MEAN, WE'RE INTO APRIL, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, WE DIDN'T START LAST YEAR UNTIL MARCH 18TH. 
          MARCH 18TH. 
          SO YOU REALLY CAN'T, IT WAS ONLY A COUPLE MONTHS OF THE SCHOOL YEAR TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. 
          Y'ALL MUST HAVE TO BE DOING IT THE SAME MONTH AND THE SAME. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE OVERALL SUMMARY OF YOUR PRESENTATION THAT I THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART TO, TO, UH, TO NOTE IS, IS THAT IT'S IMPACTED SPEEDING. 
          YES. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOTTA, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE OVERALL THING THAT I SEE ABOUT THIS IS, IS THAT FROM BEFORE THIS TO THAT, THAT THAT, THAT IT IS IMPACTING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SPEEDING IN THE SCHOOL ZONES. 
          AND THAT WAS REALLY THE COUNCIL THAT PUT THIS IN PLACE. 
          THAT WAS THEIR, THAT WAS THEIR PRIORITY WAS SAFETY. 
          SO YES, OVERALL AWARENESS. 
          UH, DEFINITELY EVEN OUTSIDE THE ZONES, UM, PEOPLE ARE STILL DRIVING SLOWER WHEN THEY'RE NOT FLASHING. 
          SO IT, IT IS WORKING. 
          OH YEAH. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, I SEE PEOPLE, I WALK ONLY RUN AND EVEN THOUGH I'M WALKING MY SCHOOLS OUT, YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE ARE COMING, COME, COME, COME AND THEN THEY SEE THE, AND IT'S NOT EVEN FLASHING, BUT IT TELLS 'EM WHAT THEIR SPEED IS. 
          YEAH. 
          THE THE FEEDBACK SIGN. 
          YEAH, THE FEEDBACK SIGN IS TELLING 'EM. 
          AND YOU CAN SO SEE PEOPLE START TO SLOW DOWN. 
          YES. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          SO ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY HELPED. 
          LIKE I SAID, BEING OUT THERE IN THE 
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CROSSING AREA, ESPECIALLY , UH, YOU KNOW, NO CROSSING GUARD AND YOU KNOW, THEY DISREGARD ME. 
          I THINK THIS HAS HELPED A WHOLE LOT TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN. 
          I NOTICED WHEN I GO TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, IN THE AFTERNOONS, THE CARS HAVE SLOWED DOWN TREMENDOUSLY ON RAY AVENUE. 
          THAT'S 15. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S 15. 
          I DON'T ALWAYS SEE AN ANTHEM, ANTHEM 'CAUSE I'M IN SCHOOL IN THE SOUTH, SO I NEVER REALLY BLEACH RUNS STILL BAD, BUT GOTTEN BETTER. 
          I HAVE PEOPLE FLY PAST THE I'M THEY'RE GONNA TAKE IT. 
          PRESSURE IS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF BIKE RIDERS FROM LEE RUN TO WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL. 
          SO THAT WAS, IT'S HELPED. 
          WAS THERE ANY PLANS, BRIAN, TO ADD MORE OF THESE TO SOME OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS? I HAVE NOT HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH, UM, BJ OR, OR GEORGE AT THIS TIME. 
          DO YOU FEEL LIKE, UM, I KNOW, I REMEMBER THAT YOU USED THE TERM LIKE FORCE MULTIPLIER, THAT IT WAS REALLY A HELP FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, FREE YOURSELF. 
          HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THAT THAT'S HELPED YOUR WORKLOAD AT ALL? UM, SO IT HAS HELPED US AS FAR AS SAFETY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, TO SAY THAT IT'S IMPACT OUR WORKLOAD. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I CAN'T SAY THAT, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY HELPED US FOR WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO BE OUT THERE. 
          AND IT HAS DEFINITELY SLOWED PEOPLE DOWN. 
          JUST MY EXAMPLE OF ME BEING IN THE INTERSECTION, GETTING THE CHILDREN ACROSS. 
          I CAN'T LEAVE WHEN I HAVE 15 VEHICLES GOING PAST ME. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, AFTER DOING IT FOR 20 SOME YEARS, YOU, YOU CAN TELL WHO'S DOING 15, 20 MILES AN HOUR OVER WITHOUT THE RADAR. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY EXCEEDING THAT WHEN I'M STANDING THERE WITH BLUE LIGHTS WHILE I'M OUT THERE. 
          AND THEY, THEY DO NOT CARE. 
          THEY SEEM TO CARE MORE WHEN THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTION WHEN IT HITS THEM IN THEIR POCKETBOOK. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S IT ALL. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF? NO, THANK YOU. 
          THANKS CHIEF. 
          THANKS CHIEF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ITEM THREE IS THAT FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 20 26 IS KIND OF CRAZY. 
          THE DAY FOR, AND WE'RE ALREADY SAYING 2026, BUT, UM, AND BUDGET PRESENTATION AND CALENDAR YEAR 2025, REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES DISCUSSION. 
          AND THAT IS, THAT WAS A MOUTHFUL. 
          . 
          I KNOW THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS JUST THE, UH, AGENDA, NOT THE SUMMARY. 
          I, YOU, THAT'S A, SO I DID HAVE A, A SLIGHT REVISION TO THE PRESENTATION. 
          UH, THE PAPER COPY THAT I GAVE TO YOU GUYS, UH, DOES HAVE A REVISION IN IT. 
          I'LL POINT IT OUT WHEN WE GET TO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT, SO WITH THAT, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY GETTING THIS OUT HERE. 
          SO HERE WE ARE. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY YOU DIDN'T HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. 
          BUT, UH, NO, I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR GUYS' PATIENCE AS WELL AS, UH, OUR, OUR GREAT STAFF. 
          UH, THEY'VE BEEN ACROSS THE FINISH LINE, SO HERE WE GO. 
          UH, SO JUST STARTING OUT WITH THE NEXT STEPS HERE, AND I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE NEXT STEPS. 
          WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, TONIGHT IS, UH, TO DISCUSS, PROVIDE STAFF WITH DIRECTION ON ADVERTISING THE PERSONAL PROPERTY AND REAL ESTATE TAX RATES FOR 2025. 
          UM, WE'LL GET INTO THAT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          UH, WE HAVE A FEW, UH, ADDITIONAL BUDGET WORK SESSIONS AS NEEDED TO CONTINUE DISCUSSING, DISCUSSING THE BUDGET, UH, APRIL 28TH, LOOKING TO HAVE THE REGULAR MEETING AND APPROVAL OF THE PERSONAL PROPERTY AND REAL ESTATE TAX RATES FOR 2025. 
          UM, I DID GET IN CONTACT WITH WARREN COUNTY AND SET THEIR RATES LAST WEEK, UM, EQUALIZING THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE AND, UH, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAPE TAX RATES WILL REMAIN THE SAME. 
          UH, THEY DO STILL HAVE SOME SANITATION DISTRICTS TO, UH, ADDRESS, BUT, UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT HERE IN A FEW WEEKS. 
          UM, SO IN MAY 5TH WE'LL DISCUSS THE, UH, WATER SEWER RATE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAD PROPOSAL FROM STANTEC, UH, COME IN THERE A MONTH OR TWO AGO. 
          AND, UH, ORDINANCE WILL MATCHES EXACTLY WHAT, UH, STANEC HAD PROVIDED TO US. 
          UM, THEN WE'LL ADVERTISE MAY 6TH FOR THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, OF COURSE. 
          AND THEN, UH, ACTUALLY VOTE ON THE BUDGET THERE, MAY 27TH. 
          UM, AND THEN I HAVE A LITTLE NOTE AT THE BOTTOM THAT THE ELECTRIC RATES WILL BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION ONCE THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY IS TO COMPLETE IT. 
          UM, THERE, UH, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT HERE IN A LITTLE BIT JUST AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, I'LL FOLLOW UP AT THE END WITH THIS. 
          BUT ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW AS WHAT OUR STEPS ARE? THE ELECTRIC RATES THING THOUGH, UM, AFTER THE STUDY COMES BACK, IT OBVIOUSLY IMPACTS THE BUDGET, BUT IT, WHAT OUR RATES ARE, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT THE GENERAL FUNDS. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S, I WAS JUST SAYING LIKE, SO IF WE HAVE TO, OR I SHOULD SAY HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO GO UP, UM, YES. 
          YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT IT IS LIKE FALL OR LATER BEFORE WE, I DON'T, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO WAIT THAT LONG. 
          OH, OUT OF THE UTILITIES AROUND US ARE ALREADY STARTING THE RIG . 
          WE HAVE SOMEBODY COMING IN FROM 
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AMP NEXT WEEK TO, UH, TO DISCUSS THAT WITH US. 
          UM, SO WE DO HAVE THE OPTION OF OUR POWER COST ADJUSTMENT. 
          UH, WE CAN, UH, RAISE THE POWER COST ADJUSTMENT, UM, UH, IF NECESSARY. 
          UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA JUST KIND OF SEE HOW THINGS PROGRESS. 
          UM, THE POWER COST ADJUSTMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          STAFF CAN DO THAT INTERNALLY BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS THAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCES. 
          UM, UH, BUT IF WE WANNA ACTUALLY RAISE RATES, UH, YES, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          UH, BUT THE PROJECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED FROM US, UH, FROM AMP AMERICAN MUNICIPAL POWER HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. 
          YOU'LL SEE THAT AS WE GO THROUGH. 
          VERY GOOD QUESTION. 
          NOTHING, NOTHING JUST CAME OUTTA RICHMOND FROM ANY MAGNITUDE FROM RICHMOND. 
          AS FAR AS THE ELECTRIC GENERAL ASSEMBLY, DOMINION, UM, THE, UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY UPDATES. 
          UH, CARRIE, YOU HEARD ANYTHING, DOMINION WOULDN'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. 
          OUR, OUR REASON IS THE PJM RATE INCREASE ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          SOMETHING, SOMETHING. 
          I WAS, LIKE I SAY, WE HAVE SOMEBODY COMING IN FOR NEXT, UH, WEEK'S WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS MORE THAN THIS, WANT A BETTER IDEA. 
          NEXT SPEED THEN. 
          BUT I MEAN, WHAT, WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA. 
          YOU HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IT, OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT, WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE. 
          YES. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE STAYED ON TOP OF THAT IN COMPARISON TO LIKE, THE TRASH RATE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY IT'S, WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT AS BAD AS SOME OTHERS. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, YEAH. 
          HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, SERIOUS DEFICIT. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY WELL REGARD. 
          I DON'T, I MEAN, NOT TO JUMP AHEAD INTO NEXT WEEK MM-HMM . 
          BUT, BUT, UM, IT'S ALL OVER. 
          YES. 
          IT'S NOT JUST US. 
          I MEAN, YOU PICK UP THE NEWSPAPER AND, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH RATES AND STUFF. 
          BUT ANYWAY, MAJOR IMPACT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON HERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE REVENUE FORECASTING, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, IS NOT, UH, UH, PRECISE SCIENCE. 
          I, WHEN I'M DOING THE REVENUE FORECASTING, I'M PULLING INFORMATION FROM MANY DIFFERENT PLACES. 
          COMMONWEALTH VIRGINIA REVENUES, UH, UH, PROVIDES THEIR REVENUE PROJECTIONS MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR. 
          WEATHER CAN SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT US. 
           WEATHER CAN SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT US INSIDE OUT. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY MORE AIR CONDITIONERS ARE BEING USED, SO FOLD OUT HEAT PUMPS. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, AS FAR AS THE DATA, I'M, I'M GETTING INFORMATION FROM OUR CONSULTING FIRM, STANTEC, UH, VDOT HISTORICAL TRENDS AND FAST, UH, STAFF'S FEEDBACK. 
          EVEN WITH THE REMOTE RELIABLE DATA, IT CONTINUES TO BE A LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY IN FORECASTING. 
          SO KIND A LITTLE BIT THERE. 
          MOVING RIGHT ON INTO THE SNAPSHOT OF THE FUNDS. 
          FREDERICK COUNTY, I'M SORRY, , YOU WERE SAYING FORECASTING. 
          I SAID, YET AGAIN, IF YOU READ THE NEWSPAPER ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN FREDERICK COUNTY, I GUESS THEIR NUMBERS ARE ALL, WERE, WHAT THEY PROJECTED WAS APPARENTLY REALLY OFF LITTLE BIT. 
          ANYWAY, MOVING ON. 
          , KNOCK ON WOOD, DON'T JINX . 
          I KNOW THE, UM, THIS IS AN OVERALL, UM, SO BOTTOM LINE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 10% INCREASE, UH, 5.1 MILLION, UH, IS THE TOTAL INCREASE. 
          UH, YOU'LL SEE THE 2.6 MILLION OF THAT IS IN ELECTRIC, AND THAT DOES RELATE TO PURCHASE POWER. 
          UM, SO THAT IS A 13% INCREASE IN ELECTRIC PRICE, AIR, UM, THE, UH, SOLID WASTE, OBVIOUSLY 'CAUSE OF OUR, UH, INCREASE THAT WE DID BACK IN, UH, SEPTEMBER. 
          UM, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE THERE, THE MINUS 56.7%, THE $216,000. 
          WHAT THAT IS, IS THAT IS THE MONEY WE WERE SETTING ASIDE FOR WEST MAINE FOR THE GRANT, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO PAY BACK PROBABLY HERE THIS MONTH, NEXT MONTH, UH, FOR THE $650,000 ON WEST MAINE, THOSE FUNDS MOVED BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO MILLION, UH, 45,000 THAT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND. 
          216,000 OF THAT JUST CAME FROM THE SPECIAL PROJECT FUND FOR THE REVENUE. 
          WE WERE TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE REVENUE, OUT OF THE REAL ESTATE TAXES TO, UH, REPAY THAT GRANT FOR WEST. 
          UM, WOOHOO. 
          THAT MONEY'S DONE. 
          IT'S NOT INCLUDED, BUT WE HAVE THE MONEY. 
          WE'VE BEEN PUTTING THAT MONEY ASIDE SINCE I GOT ON COUNCIL. 
          YES. 
          I WASN'T SURE I'D MAKE IT TO THE END, BUT I THINK , I'M HERE. 
          SO THERE'S THE SPECIAL FUND DECREASE THAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT. 
          UH, IT'S 216,000. 
          WE, TWO 50 OR $650,000 NOW SET ASIDE. 
          UM, AND WE WILL LIKELY BE PAYING THAT BACK IN THE NEXT MONTH. 
          SHOULD WE? UM, YEAH, VICE MAYOR, MY JUST SAID, FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, SHOULD WE, EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT IT, SHOULD, WE SHOULD PROBABLY. 
          SO JUST FOR PEOPLE'S KNOWLEDGE OF THAT, UM, FOR THAT MONEY, WE'RE PAYING BACK A GRANT THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO PAY, EXCEPT THAT, UM, THE FORMER DIRECTOR AT THE EDA CHANGED 
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SOME OF THE, THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT WAS GOING ON OUT ON THE AVTEC PROPERTY FOR THE IT FEDERAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WHEN THAT GOT CHANGED, WE NO LONGER QUALIFIED FOR THE GRANT. 
          AND WE ALREADY, UM, SO NOW WE HAVE TO, WE'VE BEEN SAVING THAT FOR, IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          IT'S BEEN ASIDE FOR THREE YEARS. 
          YEP. 
          AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH VDOT AND, UM, WE SHOULD BE RECEIVING THAT REQUEST ANYTIME NOW. 
          SO INSTEAD OF $650,000 SHORT SIDEWALKS OR UPGRADES TO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN NEEDS, IT'S PAYING BACK SOMETHING THAT WAS EXPERIENCED. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, THAT BEING SAID, THE UH, TOWN DOES NEED THAT CONNECTOR ROAD AT SOME POINT. 
          WELL, THAT PART DIDN'T GIVE US A DROP IN THE BUCKET FOR THAT CONNECTOR. 
          WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU GOTTA START SOMEWHERE. 
          WELL, I WOULD HOPE WITH THE CHILDREN WALKING INTO SCHOOL. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I THINK THE EMERGENCY, UM, TRANSFER FROM THE POLICE STATION ACROSS, UH, FROM, FROM, UH, NORTH TO SOUTH, IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT. 
          WELL, AND I, THE ONLY REASON WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP IS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, UM, PEOPLE MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE SAYING WE'RE PAYING SOMETHING BACK. 
          WELL, WE'RE PAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE MANY REPERCU WE THINK WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO BE DOING THAT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, MOVING ON. 
          MOVING ON. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          SO, REAL ESTATE TAX RATES. 
          SO WE'RE JUST GONNA JUMP RIGHT INTO IT HERE. 
          SO THE, UM, UH, 2024 TOTAL, UH, TOWN REAL ESTATE VALUE, UH, YOU SEE THE $1.8 BILLION, 20 25, 2 0.7 BILLION, UH, PROPERTY, UH, REASSESSMENT FIGURES SHOW THAT TOWN REAL ESTATE VALUES HAVE INCREASED ON AVERAGE APPROXIMATELY 48.3%. 
          UH, BASED ON THE 2025 REAL ESTATE ASSESSED VALUE OF 1 CENT OF REAL ESTATE TAX RATE EQUALS APPROXIMATELY $270,800. 
          UM, EQUALIZATION OF THE 2025 CALENDAR, YOUR REAL ESTATE TAX RATE WOULD BE, UH, 6.70 CENTS PER $100. 
          BJ, IS THAT NUMBER OF THE, UM, OF SECOND NUMBER 2.7 BILLION? UM, IS THAT THE MOST UPDATED NUMBER? I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT WAS APPEALING, UM, THEIR REAL ESTATE REASSESSMENTS WERE LITERALLY GETTING OVER THE LAST WEEK. 
          PEOPLE WERE JUST NOW GETTING THE UPDATED NUMBERS FROM THE APPEALS. 
          I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE STILL GETTING MINE. 
          I HAVEN'T RECEIVED MINE YET. 
          WHY? STILL WAITING? I'M SORRY. 
          OH, STILL WAITING. 
          YEAH, I, I GOT MINE. 
          SO, BUT I, AND YOU CAN GO ON THE GIS WEBSITE, WHICH I, I CAN TALK, SHARE THAT WITH Y WHY HASN'T UPDATED. 
          AND, UM, SO I, I WAS JUST ASKING LIKE, IS, IS THAT NUMBER, THAT'S THE MOST RECENT NUMBER THAT I WAS PROVIDED FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE? UM, I RECEIVED THAT NUMBER. 
          UM, IT WASN'T LAST FRIDAY. 
          IT WAS THE FRIDAY BEFORE, AND I TOUCHED BASE WITH HER ON IT ALL OF LAST WEEK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT IS THE MOST RECENT FIGURE. 
          UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT, I FIGURED IT WAS INCLUDED IN WARREN COUNTY'S, UM, ADVERTISEMENTS FOR THEIR ASSESSMENTS AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WAS CURIOUS. 
          'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, PEOPLE, THEY, WHEN YOU APPEALED IT, THEY SAID IT COULD TAKE SIX TO SO MANY WEEKS OR WHATEVER. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT AFTER THE APPEALS CAME BACK, BUT THAT NUMBER WASN'T DIFFERENT. 
          BUT IF THAT'S THE NUMBER WARREN COUNTY IS, AND THEN I'M, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD HAVE, YES. 
          THE MOST, THE ONE THAT HIRED THE REASSESS. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THINGS CAN CHANGE LATER DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THAT IS THE MOST RECENT FIGURE THAT I HAVE AT THIS POINT. 
          AND THE ONE WE WOULD USE FOR ADVERTISING, JUST, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE OF EVEN WHEN YOU DO GET YOUR REASSESSMENT BACK AND YOU, AND YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SEE, UH, YOU DO HAVE AN OPTION WITH THE, THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION. 
          UH, I THINK, UH, IT'S STARTING IN MAY. 
          I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS. 
          YES. 
          SORRY. 
          YES, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE I ACTUALLY KNOW SOMEBODY WHO APPEALED IT AND THE NUMBER WENT UP. 
          SO, SO YOU, THE GRAPH AT THE TOP THERE THAT OUR, OUR, UH, UM, OUR TAX RATES CHANGE WITH THE, UH, THE REASSESSMENTS, UH, REASSESSMENTS WERE PREVIOUSLY DONE EVERY FOUR YEARS. 
          NOW THEY'RE BEING DONE EVERY TWO YEARS. 
          UH, SO GOING FROM 2023, UH, 2024, 10 CENTS PER $100. 
          AND THEN THE REAL ESTATE, UH, UH, ASSESSMENT FOR PROJECTED EQUALIZATION IS SIX, UH, 0.70 CENTS PER $100. 
          THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN BUILT INTO THE BUDGET. 
          IT'S FOR EQUALIZATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          UM, SO EVERYONE HERE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE, UH, I 
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HAD MY LITTLE ERROR, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          UM, ON THE BOTTOM, UH, THERE, ON THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA, I HAD THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY ASSESSED AT 380,000 OR $400,000 THAT I ACTUALLY USED IN THE ASSESSMENT OF $380,000 AND NOT 400. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED. 
          SO IT'S RED. 
          WHAT'S THAT? WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YOU'VE GOT THE, I'M LOOKING FOR 400. 
          THIS, THE VALUE RIGHT HERE, UH, 380,000. 
          IT SAYS $400,000 IN THE AGENDA, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, 380,000 IS WHAT I'VE USED FOR THESE CALCULATIONS. 
          WE, WE HAVE THE CORRECT NUMBER ON THE PAPER. 
          WE HAVE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY, GOTCHA. 
          BUT WHAT THE PUBLIC COULD HAVE HAD ACCESS TO BEFORE. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, SO WHAT I HAVE HERE IS A, UH, CHART SHOWING THE, UH, REAL ESTATE TAX RATE PER $100, UH, FROM 6 CENTS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 10 CENTS THAT WE, UH, HAD PRIOR YEAR. 
          UH, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN ORANGE THERE FOR THE PRIOR YEAR, JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT, UM, UH, THINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE IF, IF WE CHOOSE THE, THE TAX RATE'S THE SAME. 
          SO, UM, ALL WE HAVE HERE IS THE PROPOSED AMOUNT WOULD BE EQUALIZATION, UH, 0.067. 
          UH, 2.068 IS 1%. 
          AND WHEN I SAY 1%, 1% IS WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO, UM, ADVERTISE. 
          OH MAN, I HERE GEORGE, ADVERTISE WITHOUT, UM, HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? NO, NOT HOLDING PUBLIC HEARING ADVERTISING. 
          THERE'S A DIFFERENT ADVERTISING, SPECIALIZED ADVERTISING, SPECIALIZED ADVERTISING. 
          IF WE GO OVER 1%, WE HAVE TO DO SPECIALIZED ADVERTISING, UM, WHICH ISN'T A PROBLEM. 
          IT'S JUST A, A LITTLE BIT MORE LEGWORK FOR STAFF. 
          AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS, IT'LL BE SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY IN THE BUDGET. 
          UM, AND THE BUDGET, YES, . 
          BUT, UM, UH, BUT WHAT I HAVE HERE IS, UH, THE, UH, REAL ESTATE, UH, TAX, UH, FROM 6 CENTS, LIKE I SAY, ALL THE WAY TO 10 CENTS THERE. 
          AND IT GIVES THE ESTIMATED, UH, TOTAL REAL ESTATE, UH, TAX REVENUE AND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT, UH, FROM EQUALIZATION, UH, GOING UP. 
          SO IF YOU SEE EQUALIZATION, WE ARE, UH, $11,000, 976, $11,976, UM, LESS. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE OUR TAX SYSTEM CANNOT HANDLE ANY MORE DECIMALS AFTER, UH, UH, THAT SECOND DECIMAL THERE. 
          UH, SO, UM, SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T DO SIX, SEVEN, YOU KNOW, 0.345, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T TAKE IT ALL THE WAY OUT, SO IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          UM, BUT, UM, 0.068 IS THE, UH, THE HIGHEST WE CAN GO WITHOUT HAVING TO, UH, DO THE EXTRA, UM, ADVERTISING. 
          SO JUST MAKE SURE I'M RIGHT. 
          SO IF WE EQUALIZED IT, HOW ARE THEY SAY THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY GO IN THE HOLES? ? WE'D, YEAH, 11.9. 
          YEAH. 
          $12,000. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW PEOPLE WERE LIKE, THAT'S, BUT THAT PAYS, OR WE COULD GO UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEN TAKE IT TO 15,112. 
          WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT. 
          IT'S STILL CONSIDERED EQUALIZATION. 
          LET ME BACK UP HERE. 
          IT IS STILL CONSIDERED EQUALIZATION FOR THE 1%. 
          UM, BUT THOSE ARE, I CAN'T GET US TO THE HALF CENT OR THE FULL SET TO YOU. 
          HALF CENT ONLY. 
          SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. 
          UM, SO THAT THE 0.067 CORRELATES TO THE, THE 48.3% MM-HMM . 
          ON THE CLOSEST, THE AVERAGE, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN 1 0 6 8 IS 1%. 
          UH, AND THEN THE BOTTOM OF THE, UH, CHART, UH, SHOWS WHAT A TAX BILL WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR, UH, PROPERTIES ASSESSED AT $380,000, UH, BASED ON THOSE VARYING TAX RATES. 
          UM, AND BREAKS IT UP BETWEEN THE BILL IS DUE JUNE, DECEMBER. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          SO AT THE BOTTOM, I'M LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          SO, UM, LET'S JUST GO UNDER THE WINNER SIX SEVEN, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          SEVEN 10, UH, THOUSANDS. 
          SO THE TOTAL ANNUAL REAL ESTATE BILL WOULD BE $255 MM-HMM . 
          AT THAT, WHICH WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THAT CATEGORY WOULD BE WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING. 
          RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THE EQUALIZED AMOUNT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          CLOSE TO IT. 
          I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY COULD CHANGE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT MIGHT BE A DOLLAR OR MORE YEAH. 
          WHATEVER, BASED ON THAT. 
          SO, SO, AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, THAT IF COUNSEL DECIDED TO GO WITH THE 0.068 
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PEOPLE'S TOTAL REAL ESTATE BILL WOULD GO UP $3? IS THAT TOTAL REAL ESTATE BILL? YES. 
          SEE, YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          BASED ON, YEAH, BASED ON THAT. 
          AND THEN, AND I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE. 
          SO IF WE, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO GO WITH 0.08, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          45, 40 $9 MORE FOR THE YEAR. 
          CORRECT. 
          WHICH IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, $4 A MONTH. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU LOOKED AT THE EMAIL. 
          WELL, I MEAN, I WAS JUST 40, $49. 
          WHY I BUY 12 BE $4 A MONTH, LITTLE BIT $4 AND SOME CHANGE. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT'S HOW I WAS UNDERSTANDING I GET THE WHOLE JUNE AND DECEMBER. 
          UM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING OVERALL FOR THE YEAR FOLKS, IT WOULD GO UP AND, AND IF THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE RATE AT ALL AND WENT WITH WHAT OUR CURRENT RATE IS, 10, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENCE OF THAT'S THREE 80 OVER THERE, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENCE OF $125 FOR THE YEAR ROUGHLY, WHICH IS ABOUT $10 A MONTH MORE IN REAL ESTATE TAXES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, BUT NOBODY'S PAYING IT. 
          I, SOME PEOPLE ARE, SOME PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WAITING SO THAT, SO THEY'RE NOT PAYING IT ON A MONTHLY BASIS, YOU KNOW? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          I, I JUST MEANT, I ALWAYS LOOK AT THINGS OF, LIKE, WHEN PEOPLE WILL SAY THINGS LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA COST YOU THIS MUCH MORE. 
          PEOPLE WILL SAY THINGS LIKE, THAT'S A COFFEE AT STARBUCKS, OR THAT'S IT. 
          I DON'T DRINK COFFEE. 
          AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BUY IT FROM STARBUCKS AT $5. 
          SORRY,  THREE BIG, THREE BIG THAT I CAN RELATE TO. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M COST 10 BUCKS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE PROBLEM IS IT'S NOT, I ENJOYED THAT PEOPLE AREN'T JUST PAYING THE TOWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          WHAT THE COUNTY THAT, YEAH, I ALREADY SAW WHAT THE COUNTY DIFFERENCES. 
          'CAUSE I DID GET MY UPDATE ONE, SO YEAH, I, I, YEAH, THAT'S, I JUST ABOUT THE PAYROLL. 
          I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT. 
          I'M CHECKING FOR MYSELF TO SAY, IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? SO LIKE BASICALLY $3 MORE, $11 MORE, $30 MORE, AND YOU KNOW, THAN WHAT THEY WERE PAYING THE YEAR BEFORE. 
          OKAY. 
          ROUGHLY, LIKE YOU SAY, IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE DIFFERENCE BASED ON THE VALUE FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY. 
          BUT YEAH, IN GENERAL, AND THE MOST IT WOULD BE, WOULD BE $125 MORE IN THE YEAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          NOT THAT I'M SAYING THAT'S, I, I JUST WANNA ANYWHERE FROM $3 TO $125 MORE IN THAT, IN THAT SPECTRUM, THAT RANGE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? NO, BECAUSE COUNTY, IF THEY EQUALIZE IT, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA GO UP IF YOUR ASSESSMENT WENT UP. 
          NO, BUT I'M SAYING USUALLY MY REAL ESTATE TAXES THREE TIMES AS MUCH FROM THE COUNTY. 
          YEAH. 
          FROM PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE US FOUR TIMES AS MUCH TO HAVE OUR TRASH IN THE SAME COUNTY. 
          BUT THAT'S TOPIC FOR LATER. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          UH, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES. 
          SO YOU SEE TO CHARGE THE TOP THERE, THE LAST TIME WE INCREASED PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES WAS 2010 TO 2011. 
          WE WENT FROM 60 CENTS PER $100 TO 64 CENTS PER $100. 
          UH, BASED ON PRELIMINARY FIGURES, UH, THE 2025 PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, UH, ASSESSED VALUES HAS DECREASED 11.7 UH, MILLION, APPROXIMATELY A 9% DECREASE IN TOTAL VALUE. 
          UM, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE PROPOSED TO REMAIN THE SAME AT 64 CENTS PER $100. 
          UM, 1 CENTS OF PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX OF THIS FIRST PROPERTY TAX RATE IS APPROXIMATELY $13,155 IN REVENUE. 
          UH, LOOKING TO INCREASE THE, UM, UH, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF FROM 42% TO 43% FOR QUALIFYING PROPERTY. 
          UH, THE TOWN IS MANDATED TO EQUALIZE THAT TAX RELIEF, UH, RATE, UM, THROUGH THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. 
          UH, THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA HAS PAID THE TOWN $287,000 FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF ANNUALLY, SINCE 2005, WHICH WAS A CAP SET BY THE 2005 GENERAL ASSEMBLY. 
          UH, AND THEN OUR REVENUES ASSOCIATED WITH PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX. 
          UH, IN THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET, IT'S $591,365, UH, VEHICLE LICENSE FEE, ALSO KNOWN AS DECALS, WHICH WE NO LONGER HAVE $390,050. 
          AND THEN OUR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF OF $287,000 THAT WE RECEIVED A LOT REALLY QUICK THERE, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY MAKE. 
          SO, SO WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA GET LESS REVENUE FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT YOU REMEMBER, WE ALWAYS CONSIDER THAT A ONETIME 
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REVENUE BECAUSE IT'S SPIKED REALLY HIGH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WE NEVER ACTUALLY, I COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH THOSE BUDGET AMENDMENTS TO REQUEST IT. 
          SO WE NEVER ACTUALLY INCLUDED THAT SPIKE IN OUR BUDGET. 
          SO WE ARE JUST FINE. 
          OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. 
          BUT WE WILL, BUT IT WILL BE LESS THAN WHAT WE GOT. 
          IT WILL INDEED BE LESS REVENUE. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, WE PROBABLY WON'T BE SEEING BEFORE OF, AND I THINK THAT I THINK THE DECREASES NOW OR BECAUSE OF STILL FROM THE COVID YEARS WHERE EVERYTHING WAS LIKE HIGHER WITH VEHICLES AND STUFF, RIGHT. 
          THE DEMAND HAS WENT DOWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT THAT EVENTUALLY YOU WOULD THINK THAT'S GONNA SETTLE IN AND LIKE IT, LIKE IT'S DECREASED DECREASE, BUT THEN SHOULD BE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS IT'S STARTING TO GET BACK IN LINE WITH, WITH WHAT THE TREND BEFORE COVID. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL SEE WHAT THE TARIFF SOUND. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          MOVING ON HERE. 
          UH, SO THE GENERAL FUND HIGHLIGHTS, UH, REVENUE HIGHLIGHTS. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE MEALS TAX, UH, UH, GOING UP 7%, 180,000 SALES TAX, I'M SORRY, 7%. 
          YEAH. 
          SALES TAX, 8% INCREASE $120,000. 
          UH, BUSINESS LICENSES, UH, 14%, 130, $132,000 INCREASE. 
          UH, BUSINESS LICENSE REVENUE IS DOING REALLY GOOD. 
          UH, AND THEN OUR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE, UM, DID NOT, UH, BUDGET FOR THAT LARGE INCREASE. 
          SO I ACTUALLY SEE A SLIGHT INCREASE BECAUSE WE WERE DOING, IS IT A ONETIME, UH, JUST ONETIME EXPENSES ON THE PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          IT'S A 12,000 TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY AND INTERMEDIARY TAX, UH, IS GOING DOWN $48,000, UH, MINUS 13%. 
          UH, THE AUTOMATIC AUTOMATED TICKETING, UH, SO WE DID, IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET, WE HAD BUDGETED 112,500. 
          UH, WE WERE BUDGETING $380,000 FOR, UH, NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          IT IS A 238%, UH, INCREASE OF 267,500. 
          AND THEN THE REAL ESTATE TAXES, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE KIND OF JUST TALKING ABOUT. 
          I PUT THE STAR THERE BECAUSE IT IS A 20% INCREASE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. 
          IT'S NOT A 20% INCREASE IN REAL ESTATE TAXES, IT'S JUST AN INCREASE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. 
          'CAUSE WE ARE MOVING THAT MONEY FROM THE ESPRESSO PROJECT FUND, UM, OVER, UH, TO THE GENERAL FUND. 
          SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A 20% INCREASE IN REAL ESTATE TAX. 
          BJ, THE TO, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I I THEY USED TO CALL IT THAT, BUT TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX, RIGHT? THAT'S OUR HOTELS. 
          LODGING. 
          LODGING. 
          BUT THAT ALSO IS SHORT TERM RENTALS, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          UH, SO SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WE DO HAVE IT UNDER A SEPARATE LINE ITEM, THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, UM, UH, WE'RE TRACKING THE SHORT TERM RENTALS SEPARATELY AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          SHORT TERM RENTALS, I BELIEVE. 
          I'M NOT TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MUCH IT'S, IT'S OKAY. 
          I MEAN, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, I, I ONLY ASKED, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THAT WAS PART OF IT. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD CONCERNS THAT ARE, THAT THERE ARE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT ARE GOING ON, BUT WE'RE NOT COLLECT, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING FOR IT. 
          AND, UM, IN FISCAL YEAR 24, WE RECEIVED $24,000 FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          UM, UH, FOR THE TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX. 
          UM, IN HOLD ON 24, YOU WERE SIX $24,153. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE BUDGETING FOR IN FEBRUARY 26, WE ARE BUDGETING FOR $35,160. 
          SAY IT ONE MORE TIME. 
          $35,160. 
          SO IS THAT BECAUSE WE THINK THAT THERE'S MORE SHORT TERM RENTALS OR 'CAUSE WE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE PAYING. 
          IT'S BECAUSE, UH, BASED ON TRENDS, , THE, UH, THE, YEAH, THAT'S A ANOTHER, I, THAT'S A TOPIC FOR ANOTHER DAY'S SEPARATE TOPIC . 
          BUT IT, BUT IT IS A TOPIC THAT, THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR, OUR STATE FOLKS TOO. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY COLLECTING IT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PAYING IT. 
          NO, IF YOU GET ANYTHING THROUGH AIRBNB, YOUR PEOPLE ARE PAYING IT, BUT WHOEVER HAS THE, THE AIRBNB IS SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, UM, GETTING THAT, GETTING ACCOMMODATION INTERMEDIARY IS THE RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT ALSO IN THE INTERIM, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR MEALS TAX AND SALES TAX, THOSE INCREASES ARE FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE TOURISTS COMING HERE AND STAYING IN SHORT TERM RENTALS, SPENDING THEIR MONEY AT THE REST OF IN SHOPS, EXCUSE ME, FRONT ROYAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IF ANYTHING, THAT OUGHT TO TELL US NO. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT OUGHT TELL THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE STAYING SOMEWHERE . 
          SO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, ENTERPRISE FUNDS, SALES OF SERVICE. 
          SO ELECTRIC CURRENT, UH, THIS IS JUST THE SALE FOR SERVICE. 
          THIS IS NOT THE ENTIRE FUND 
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SALES. 
          UH, SO ELECTRIC CURRENT, UH, WE ARE SHOWING, UH, UH, 12%, UH, INCREASE. 
          A DIFFERENCE IS 1.4 MILLION. 
          UH, THAT'S, UH, WHERE THE PURCHASE POWER IS GONNA COME INTO PLAY. 
          I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, WATER SALES IS AN 8% INCREASE. 
          UH, SO YOU GUYS MAY REMEMBER THAT, UH, DOMINION POWER, WE HAD A SPECIAL AGREEMENT WITH THEM. 
          UH, THE COUNCIL APPROVED FOR THEIR RATES. 
          UH, THEY'RE AT THEIR FULL, UM, THE FULL OUT OF TOWN RATES EFFECTIVE DECEMBER, I'M SORRY, YEAH. 
          TIMES TWO, UH, TIMES TWO OF IN TOWN RATES EFFECTIVE DECEMBER OF 2024. 
          SO WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT, UH, IN THIS BUDGET. 
          SEWER SALES, UM, HAS DECREASED SLIGHTLY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S VERY SLIGHT $34,000. 
          UM, THAT IS DUE TO, WELL I'LL TALK ABOUT THE NEXT SLIDE TOO HERE. 
          BUT IT'S, UH, DUE TO THE, UM, WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASED USAGE IN DURING OUR SUMMER SEWER PROGRAM WHERE, UM, RESIDENTS ARE ALLOWED TO WATER THEIR GARDENS AND, UM, THINGS WITHOUT BEING CHARGED. 
          UH, ADDITIONAL SEWER FEES. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE, UH, SOME OF THE INDUSTRIAL USERS OUT IN THE CORRIDOR SEEM TO HAVE, UH, FOUND MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS, UH, TO, UM, UH, FURTHER SEWER. 
          UM, AND THEN SOLID WASTE, UH, THAT IS, UH, AS A RESULT OF OUR, UH, FEES BEING INCREASED THERE. 
          LAST SEPTEMBER, UH, AS I MENTIONED, SOME OF THE REVENUE IMPACTS OF THE PREDICTED ELECTRIC PURCHASE POWER, JUST THE PURCHASE POWER EXPENSES, UH, INCREASING 17.7%. 
          SO WE WILL HAVE TO, UM, ELECTRIC RATES AND PER, UH, POWER COSTS AND OR POWER COST ADJUSTMENT WILL NEED TO BE INCREASED. 
          OFFSET THOSE EXPENSE. 
          I'M SORRY, I ASKED LORI, BUT SHE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND EITHER. 
          I JUST THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. 
          THE PEOPLE IN THE CORRIDOR ARE FINDING ALTERNATIVE ROUTES TO SAVE ON SEWER. 
          THE INDUSTRIAL, ARE THEY GETTING PORTA POTTIES? HOW ARE, UH, LIKE IF IT WAS JUST WATER , LIKE WATER, I CAN SEE RECYCLE WATER. 
          THEY HAVE A SEPARATE SEWER METER. 
          THEY DO, YEAH. 
          THEY HAVE A SEPARATE SEWER METER. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THEY'RE, WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH GOING BACK INTO THE SEWER. 
          UH, IT COULD BE A RECYCLER, IT COULD BE A, UH, THAT'S OKAY. 
          THE RECYCLERS. 
          OKAY. 
          LOST IN PROCESS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          LOST IN PROCESSING. 
          YEAH. 
          IT COULD BE EVAPORATED DURING PROCESSING. 
          UH, IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          NO, VERY GOOD QUESTION THOUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M SORRY, . 
          NO, NO, VERY GOOD QUESTION. 
          I THOUGHT I JUST, IT MADE ME GIGLE. 
          'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, WELL, HOW IN THE WORLD ARE THEY USING JOSH? NOW WE KNOW OUR CRAP. 
          YEAH. 
          , CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SOLID WAGE SALES. 
          YOUR PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW IS NOT KNOWING WHAT THE COUNTY'S GOING TO DO. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THIS IS JUST WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING BASED ON IF THINGS STAYED THE WAY THAT THEN WE WON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO UNTIL THEY DO IT. 
          WELL, THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE GONNA RAISE 'EM. 
          RIGHT? WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH. 
          BUT THEY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO, WELL EXPECT, I THINK THEY SAID THEY, SO WE, WE CAN TALK. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOSING MONEY, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW. 
          WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, IT'S AT THE LIBRARY. 
          WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS LATER, OR NOT LATER, I MEAN TONIGHT. 
          BUT WHEN, WE'LL, UM, I PLAN TO BRING THAT UP AT THE LIAISON MEETING NEXT THURSDAY THE 17TH. 
          LIKE IS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T WANNA GET CAUGHT BY SURPRISE AGAIN ON THE LAST DAY OF JUNE THAT THAT SOLID WASTE PRICES HAVE CHANGED. 
          SO. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, SO GOING BACK TO THE, UH, UH, THE TOP LINE THERE THAT WITH THE PURCHASE POWER, SO IT IS INCREASING 17.7%. 
          UH, WE WILL NEED TO RAISE ELECTRIC RATES AND OR THE POWER COST ADJUSTMENT, UH, TO OFFSET THIS EXPENSE. 
          I HAVE INCLUDED THE TOTAL, UM, UH, EXPENSE FOR, UH, PURCHASE POWER BASED ON AMP PROJECTION INTO OUR BUDGET. 
          UM, UH, WE'LL COVER THAT HERE ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE HERE SHORTLY. 
          UM, BUT WE WILL NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. 
          UH, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, SEWER, UH, USAGE, THE, UM, UH, SUMMER SEWER PROGRAM, HOT AND COLD. 
          AND, AND THEN WE JUST TALKED ABOUT SOLID WASTE. 
          SO, UM, I THINK WE'VE COVERED ALL THIS SLIDE ACTUALLY. 
          UH, SO THE WATER SEWER RECOMMENDED RATE INCREASES, UH, AS STANTEC, UH, HAD RECOMMENDED WATER RATE INCREASE OF 3%, UM, WATER TWO AND A QUARTER PERCENT SEWER RATE INCREASE, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 26. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT JULY 1ST, 2025 AS THE RECOMMENDATION WITH ANNUAL INCREASES. 
          UH, THE AMOUNTS LISTED ON THE NEXT SLIDE ARE RECOMMENDED, UH, FROM FISCAL YEAR 26 TO UH, 2030. 
          UM, AND THEN THIS SLIDE ACTUALLY TOOK DIRECTLY FROM STANTEC, UH, PRESENTATION THAT THEY HAD GIVEN US. 
          UH, SO YOU'LL SEE, UH, 3% IN WATER YEAR OVER YEAR UP TO 2030, 
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AND THEN TWO AND A QUARTER PERCENT ON SEWER, UH, YEAR OVER YEAR UP TO 2030. 
          OBVIOUSLY THIS IS BASED ON OUR CURRENT INFORMATION. 
          IF SOMETHING WERE TO CHANGE, WE WOULD, UH, UH, ADJUST, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID BACK DURING COVID WHEN WE HAD THE, UM, AMERICAN, UM, THE ARPA FUNDS. 
          SORRY, I CAN'T REMEMBER MY ACRONYM. 
          RESCUE FUND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AMERICAN RESCUE FUNDS AND IS ARPA. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THE QUARTER SEWER RIGHT THERE. 
          OKAY, VERY GOOD. 
          UH, SOLID WASTE. 
          WE KIND OF ALREADY TOUCHED ON THIS AS WELL. 
          WE'RE JUMPING ALL AROUND, AREN'T WE? ? SO THE, UH, YES, NO, UH, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET HAS BEEN DEALT WITH NO UPON NO INCREASES FOR SOLID WASTE. 
          OBVIOUSLY THAT IS, UH, CONTINGENT ON WHAT THE TIPPING FEES FROM WARREN COUNTY MAY BE. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS ACCORDINGLY ONCE WE RECEIVE NOTIFICATION. 
          SO THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME FOR ME TO BRING THIS UP TO COUNCIL, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT IN MAY, BUT I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE TEASE FOR RIGHT NOW, . 
          BUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOLID WASTE BEFORE, IF YOU ALL REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE LOOKING ABOUT WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE GONNA BE, UM, THE FORMER TOWN MANAGER TALKED ABOUT LIKE, IF WE DID AWAY WITH THIS, THAT COST US $4. 
          THIS, LIKE ALL THE DIFFERENT, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, UM, ALL THE DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT MAKE UP THAT AMOUNT. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE SERVICES IS THE MANASAS AVENUE STATION, RIGHT? UM, SO AT THIS TIME, ANYBODY FROM THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY CAN USE THAT. 
          UM, AND IT MADE SENSE. 
          MADE, BLESS YOU. 
          IT MADE SENSE BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT WENT THERE THAT WAS GONNA GO TO THE TRANSFER STATION, WE DIDN'T PAY ANYTHING TO TAKE IT THERE ANYWAY. 
          RIGHT? NO, WE DO, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M LIKE? RIGHT? BUT NOW WE DO MM-HMM . 
          SO, SO FOLKS FROM THE COUNTY THAT ARE USING THAT SERVICE, FOLKS FROM THE TOWN ARE ACTUALLY PAYING FOR THAT SERVICE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE FOLLOWING ME. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING THIS WAS, WE'RE PAYING FOR SCRATCH LIKE THREE TIMES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE WHITE GOODS OR THE LARGER ITEMS THAT, THAT OUR CITIZENS COULD DO LIKE A ONE TIME PICKUP, LIKE, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE CHARGE. 
          BUT, UM, SO BASICALLY OUR FOLKS ARE GETTING THAT SERVICE AND THEN WE ARE GONNA TAKE THAT TO THE TRANSFER STATION AND WE'RE GONNA GET CHARGED FOR THAT. 
          SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT MAY WE'RE, UM, I WAS GONNA BRING BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          OF COURSE IT'S GONNA BE BETTER ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THE TIPPING FEES ARE, BUT, UM, BUT I, I HONESTLY DON'T REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT I'M JUST GONNA SHARE WITH COUNSEL. 
          LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD'VE COUNTY CITIZENS USE THE TRANSFER STATION THAT OUR TOWN CITIZENS ARE PAYING FOR. 
          SO, UM, THAT MIGHT BE A CHANGE. 
          AND IF IT, IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO ENTERTAIN THAT CHANGE, IT CAN IMPACT, YOU KNOW, IT IMPACTS OUR STAFF AND OUR STAFF TIME AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, AND IT OBVIOUSLY IMPACTS WHAT WE'RE TAKING FROM, FROM MASS AVENUE TO THERE. 
          SO, LIKE I SAID, WE ACTUALLY ARE, I CAN SEE WHY THAT WAS ALWAYS DONE. 
          I, I CAN SEE WHY IN THE PAST THAT WAS, IT WASN'T AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, IT STILL HAD OUR STAFF TIME, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PAYING FOR IT, WE COULD LITERALLY BE TAKING THINGS THAT COUNTY SYSTEMS ARE DROPPING OFF THE TOWNS MANASCO AVENUE AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO PAY TO TAKE THEIRS TO THE TRANSFER STATION THAT ARE, THAT OUR TOWN CITIZENS ARE PAYING SAME AMOUNT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE COUNTY, IF THE COUNTY CITIZENS WANNA TAKE IT TO THE TRANSFER STATION, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PAY ANYTHING FOR IT IF THEY DROP IT OFF. 
          BUT IF WE TAKE IT OUT THERE, NOT WE AS IN THE CITIZENS, BUT WE AS IN THE TOWN, THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT. 
          SO STAY TUNED IN MAY. 
          I'M GONNA BE BRINGING THAT. 
          WE JUST, I DIDN'T WANNA, WE HAD ENOUGH GOING ON IN APRIL, BUT WE'LL KNOW MORE AFTER THE DAY'S NOT MEETING NEXT WEEK. 
          'CAUSE IF THE TIPPING FEES ARE GOING UP EVEN MORE, WE REALLY ARE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR SERVICES ARE AND WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING ON HERE. 
          THAT A TOTAL SNAPSHOT, WE'RE JUST GONNA BRING ALL THAT UP. 
          SNAPSHOT, 56.7 MILLION FOR THE BUDGET. 
          IT'S A 10% INCREASE. 
          UH, 5.1 MILLION, 2.6 MILLION OF THAT IS IN THE ELECTION PURCHASE POWER. 
          UH, $16 MILLION OF OUR, UH, BUDGET DOES GO STRAIGHT TO PERSONNEL. 
          SO THE CHANGES IN FULL-TIME POSITIONS FROM THE PREVIOUS BUDGET. 
          SO WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL POLICE DISPATCHER, UH, INCLUDED FOR 68,000 FOR HUNDRED $35. 
          UH, PLANNER POSITION, HOPEFULLY MAYBE GIS. 
          UH, 
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WE BUDGETED THAT FOR SIX MONTHS, UH, $51,000, UH, TO BRING THAT IN. 
          COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR. 
          UM, THAT WE ACTUALLY, UH, PUT IN CURRENT BUDGET, $65,000, 820. 
          UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS $52,170. 
          WE BUDGETED THAT FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          AND WHEN I SAY BUDGETED FOR SIX MONTHS, THAT MEANS THAT THE POSITION WOULD LIKELY START IN JANUARY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, UH, MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, AND THEN A WATER SEWER UTILITY LINE TECHNICIAN, UM, FOR $64,360. 
          UH, AGAIN, JUST SAID A LOT THERE. 
          SO HAPPY TO TAKE A SECOND. 
          SO IS THE POLICE DISPATCHER AND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR, ARE THOSE PD POSITIONS? NO, THE ADDITIONAL DISPATCHER IS INDEED POLICE DISPATCHER, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COORDINATORS TO, UH, HELP OUT IN TOURISM AND SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHEN WE SEE THESE SALARIES IS A SALARY PLUS THE BENEFIT LOAD. 
          THAT'S EVERYTHING. 
          THAT'S ALL INCLUSIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          ISN'T LIZZIE CURRENTLY LIKE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR? SO LIZZIE, UH, IS RUNNING KIND OF, UH, MULTIPLE ROLES AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          UM, SHE'S DOING THE, UH, SPECIAL EVENTS, , UH, THIS WAS A POSITION THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION HAD, UH, BROUGHT IN TO KIND OF HELP OUT WITH THAT, WHICH WOULD CHANGE HER RESPONSIBILITIES TO FRIDA AND ULTIMATE. 
          WHAT ELSE? OR TOURISM DIRECTOR. 
          UH, TOURISM AND SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD BE FOR TOO. 
          WELL, IT'S COORDINATOR, IT'S NOT THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF IT, I UNDERSTAND. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA, IT IS, UH, IT WOULD BE UNDER LIZZIE FULL TIME POSITION. 
          AND WITH THAT, I KNOW WHEN, WHEN WE ACTUALLY ADDED THE ORIGINAL POSITION IN, I WANT SAY 2020, I THINK IT WAS  UM, NO, IT WAS AFTER I CAME ON. 
          NO, NO. 
          TRUST ME. 
          . 
          I'M ALSO LIZZIE. 
          LIZZIE. 
          LIZZIE WAS WHEN I CAME ON COUNCIL. 
          NO, IT WAS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN BEFORE THAT. 
          NO, WHEN SHE GOT, I'M NOT THAT, YEAH. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL POSITION TO ACTUALLY, WHEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN COULDN'T MAKE A TOURISM BOARD WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL ACTUALLY WE HAD ALREADY, WE HAD ALREADY, UH, WE HAD ALREADY CREATED THAT POSITION AND, AND IN 2021 WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UH, CREATED THAT POSITION, AND, AND MAINLY IT WAS BECAUSE THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME SAID, WE NEED TO BE DOING, YOU KNOW, MORE THINGS LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR COMMUNITY AND DOWNTOWN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO WE DID CREATE, THAT WAS THAT POSITION. 
          UM, SO REALLY FIVE YEARS AGO THAT DIDN'T EXIST AT ALL. 
          BUT THE SALARY FOR THAT, UM, AT THE TIME WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AND DOING IT, WE USED LIKE, UM, THE TALKS AND THINGS LIKE, LIKE THAT'S HOW WE, THAT'S HOW WE, IT WASN'T THE CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S HOW WE JUSTIFIED BEING ABLE TO DO THAT POSITION. 
          THAT THAT WAS NOT A PART OF THE TOWN'S STAFF WAS BECAUSE WE USED MONEY THAT WE ASSUME, YOU KNOW, COMES IN FROM BIG. 
          YEAH. 
          FROM BIG T. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS THE IDEA. 
          SO, SO MY QUESTION IS DO ARE, DO WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS FROM BIG TI KNOW WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A LINE, SO TO BE ABLE TO FUND BOTH OF THOSE POSITIONS. 
          'CAUSE THE TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAXES HAVE DROPPED 20. 
          WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS GONNA BE COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND IN, IN GENERAL BECAUSE OF, UH, OF THE ASSISTANCE PROVIDED TO FREEDOM. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO PART OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT, SO PART OF THIS SALARY IS FROM NEIL'S TEXT, TODD, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF, AND FREDA. 
          BUT THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE JUST ASSUMING THAT THAT'S COMING FROM MORE, YOU KNOW. 
          YES. 
          UH, YES. 
          TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, UH, WE ARE, I MEAN, THEY COULD BE VIEWED, UH, A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          BUT I MEAN, WITH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, JUST MEALS AND LIGHTING TAGS, YES, IT WOULD SUPPORT IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE, BECAUSE I'M, SEE THAT'S HOW WE TESTIFIED. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THERE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE APPROPRIATE JOB IS TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT WE HAVE ALSO DISCUSSED ADDING A POSITION. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE US OUT. 
          A CIVIL ENGINEER. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD BE THE, UM, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OR NOT. 
          BUT, UM, WE DID, YOU LOOKED AT WHAT WE SPENT ON ENGINEERING SERVICES THIS YEAR, AND IT WAS SOMEWHERE NORTH OF WHAT, ONE 20? UM, IT WAS, UH, UH, IT 
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WAS PROBABLY NEAR A MILLION DOLLARS, WASN'T IT? MM-HMM . 
          AND WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO SPEND ENGINEERING MONEY EVEN IF WE HAD AN IN-HOUSE CIVIL ENGINEER. 
          WE USED THE TOWN USED TO, CORRECT, MM-HMM . 
          SEVERAL TIMES AGO. 
          WE'VE BEEN OFF AND ON WITH CIVIL, BUT WE STILL CONTRACTED OUT THE ENGINEERING FOR THE LARGER PROJECTS FOR THE LARGER PROJECTS. 
          AND THAT BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR DIRECT DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS IS IT'S COME OUT QUARTER QUARTER OF WHAT A CIVIL ENGINEER'S SALARY AND BENEFITS WOULD BE, PROBABLY MOST LIKELY. 
          THE, UM, THE LAST ONE WE HAD WAS, UH, UM, YEAH, THEY, THEY COULD GET RATHER EXPENSIVE. 
          IT WAS WELL OVER SIX FIGURES, AND THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME FOR SALARY AND THINGS TO GET MISSED, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ONE ON SIX. 
          NO, I AGREE. 
          WELL, I'D LOVE TO HAVE IT. 
          WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO HOW MUCH WE'RE GONNA RAISE TAXES TO PAY FOR IT, BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY. 
          LET'S, AND WE HAVE MISTAKES MADE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEER THAT I WOULD POINT TO THE CAR WASH THAT WE ALL SEE EVERY DAY. 
          UM, HAD WE HAD A ENGINEER ON STAFF AND PLANNING AND ZONING COULD HAD IT REVIEWED, I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT PERHAPS THEY WOULD'VE SAID, WELL, WE REALIZE THIS THINGS GONNA STICK UP 30 FEET IN THE AIR. 
          NOT, I MEAN, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER BEFORE THE MEETING. 
          I THINK WE ALL HAD THIS VISION OF A BUILDING THERE, MUCH LIKE WHEN THE RESTAURANT WAS THERE. 
          NOW WE HAVE THIS WELCOME FRONT ON A CAR WASH. 
          UM, BUT THAT WAS BUILT BY RIGHT? IT WAS BUILT BY, RIGHT. 
          BUT YOU HAVE, UH, A, YOU REVIEW THE PLANS AND YOU HAVE TO APPROVE THE PLANS. 
          AND AN ENGINEER WOULD'VE POINTED OUT TO US, HEY, THEIR PLANS ARE TO BUILD UP THIS END AND, AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING LOW AND VISUAL. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE UP IN THE AIR, BUT 30 FEET DOESN'T VIOLATE TOWN CODE. 
          SO I DON'T THINK A CIVIL ENGINEER COULD HAVE MADE THEM CHANGE THEIR PLANS. 
          AM I INCORRECT ON THAT, GEORGE? WELL, WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE PLANS. 
          WE COULD HAVE NOT APPROVE THE PLANS. 
          SURE. 
          THAT, BUT THEY DON'T, 30 FEET DOESN'T VIOLATE TOWN CODE. 
          IT'S 40 FEET. 
          CORRECT. 
          I DON'T KNOW, HONESTLY, SOMEWHERE BASED OFF OF MURPHY THEATER BUILDING SOMEWHERE IN THE THIRTIES. 
          I, ALL I'M SAYING IS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, HAD SOMEONE REVIEWED THAT WE MAY HAVE HAD A DIFFERENT OUTCOME. 
          AND THAT'S JUST ONE OF MANY, MANY THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON A REGULAR BASIS AROUND HERE. 
          I I, I DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY IT TO ME. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEER ON STAFF. 
          I JUST THINK THERE'S, WE HAVE A LOT OF MISSING STAFF RIGHT NOW, AND A CIVIL ENGINEER FEELS LIKE A PIPE DREAM FOR THE TOWN AT THIS POINT. 
          BUT I JUST ALSO THINK WITH THE CAR WASH, I HAD COMPLAINED ABOUT IT SINCE THE BEGINNING. 
          UH, PEOPLE CALLED ME AND SAID, YOU GUYS ALLOWED A CAR WASH? LIKE, WE DIDN'T ALLOW ANYTHING. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE WITH THE VAPE SHOP. 
          SO EVEN IF I DON'T LIKE IT, THEY'RE NOT BREAKING THE WALL. 
          SO I DON'T THINK A CIVIL ENGINEER COULD HAVE FORCED THEM TO CHANGE THEIR PLANS. 
          WELL, NO. 
          TO, TO TO MR. UH, COUNCILMAN WOOD'S POINT. 
          MAYBE THE POSITION OF WHERE THE, WHERE THE, UH, CAR WASH IS LOCATED COULD HAVE BEEN IN THE BACK AS OPPOSED BEEN IMPOSING ON THE ROAD. 
          I MEAN, IT IT'S ALMOST, IT ALMOST WHEN YOU DRIVE BY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          IT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONVINCE ME, BUT IT'S, IT'S THEIR BUSINESS AND THEREBY, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON. 
          WELL, YEAH, I WOULD, I'D BE, CAN I JUST ASK THESE POSITIONS, THE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, UM, I'M ASSUMING EACH OF THESE POSITIONS WERE THINGS THAT THOSE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS SAID, LIKE, THESE ARE WHAT WE NEED. 
          I'M, I'M JUST ASKING LIKE, LIKE OBVIOUSLY PD, UM, YOU KNOW, TOURISM, PUBLIC WORKS, UM, THE PLANNER POSITION. 
          IS THAT WHAT THE PLANNING, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SAID, WE NEED THIS? OR, SO THE, THE PLANNER POSITION, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORK, WERE, UM, UH, UH, WERE KIND OF A JOINT EFFORT, I GUESS TO SAY BETWEEN THE, UH, UH, THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UM, HOW MUCH, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT IT WASN'T . 
          SO IF, IF, IF COUNSEL WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, 'CAUSE THE ENGINEER THING HAS COME UP BEFORE, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME, YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED THAT. 
          UM, AND ACTUALLY FORMER ADMINISTRATION HAD EXPRESSED, UM, A NEED FOR THAT AT SOME POINT TOO. 
          I'M JUST ASKING IF WE, IF THAT POSITION WENT BACK TO DEPART, WENT BACK TO STAFF AND SAID, YOU KNOW, HOW NEED, HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD THIS IMPACT POSITIVELY IF WE HAD ONE OF THESE? AND IF SO, IS THERE ANYTHING OVER, 
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IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE LIST THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD, COULD WAIT? UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET, TO HAVE STAFF WEIGH IN ON IT AND SAY THIS OR THAT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF STUFF THAT WE DO IN MY JOB. 
          IT'S LIKE, YES, I'D REALLY LIKE THIS, BUT WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE THIS OR THIS, DEPENDING ON, SO THAT'S ALL I MEANT IS IF YOU COULD GO BACK AND MAYBE I, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE IN THE PLANNING, UM, BUT NOT JUST THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WOULD ENGINEER BE USED? WE COULD USE, USE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, I WOULD ARGUE THAT A CIVIL ENGINEER WOULD BENEFIT TOURISM BECAUSE IF OUR TOWN WERE BUILT ACCURATELY, I'VE SAID IT MANY TIMES, THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARGUED TOURISM FOR YEARS TALKED ABOUT AND COMPARED US TO TOWNS THAT WE'RE NOT COMPARABLE TO, LIKE ASHEVILLE AND SEDONA, ARIZONA. 
          AND YOU DRIVE THROUGH THESE PLACES AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS IN FRONT ROYAL AND THERE'S NO PARKING. 
          SO WHY WOULD I STOP MY CAR IF I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS HERE AND GET OUT AND WALK WITH MY FAMILY? OR IF WE WERE HANDICAPPED AND IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE, I WOULDN'T. 
          SO I WOULD ARGUE THAT A CIVIL ENGINEER IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR. 
          AND IF IT'S THE APPETITE AND PLEASURE OF THIS COUNCIL, WE COULD ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS TOWARDS THE CIVIL ENGINEER. 
          WELL, I WONDER IF THERE'S OVERLAP. 
          IS THERE OVERLAP BETWEEN THE CIVIL ENGINEER AND THE PLANNER OR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS TO WHERE YOU COMBINE THOSE SALARIES AND IT BE MORE COMPARABLE TO WHAT, LIKE MORE COMPARABLE TO WHAT A CIVIL ENGINEER MAKES? I MEAN, NOT THE PLANNER, BUT THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND THE COMMUNITY COORDINATOR THERE. 
          LET ME, UH, LET ME GET BACK WITH STAFF AND WILL, UM, I'LL RETURN, I'LL TRY TO RETURN NEXT WORK SESSION. 
          SURE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          RIGHT. 
          LET'S, WHEN YOU HAVE ONE ON BOARD, AND LET'S SAY IT WAS A DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL TO SEE THE SIDEWALK CONTINUE ON TO THE PARK AND THERE YOU GO. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU'RE NOT SUMMING THAT OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE CONTINUALLY USE THESE SUBCONTRACTORS AND, AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CHARM OF FRONT ROYAL IS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I'VE SAID SINCE BEFORE I EVER EVEN GOT INVOLVED IN THE COUNCIL ACROSS' GORGEOUS MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BRIDGES THAT OVERLOOK THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY, IT'S ABSOLUTELY SCENIC INTO THE MOST TRASHY PART OF TOWN. 
          NO OFFENSE, I'M BORN AND RAISED HERE IN LUBBOCK, BUT YOU HAVE LITTLE VEGAS ON THE RIGHT WITH THE VAPE SHOP WITH THE DANCING SIGNS, AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE PLAYING FROGGER ACROSS SHENANDOAH AVENUE FROM THE MOTEL TO WHATEVER SPEEDWAY. 
          SO I MEAN, IT JUST, THE LAYOUT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. 
          AND A CIVIL ENGINEER WOULD, WOULD INCREASE THE BIG T OF TOURISM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MR. WILSON, YOU'LL GO BACK AND YEAH. 
          MAY GO BACK AND, AND NOT TO SAY THAT ALL THESE POSITIONS I'M SURE ARE NOT IMPORTANT, IT'S JUST THAT, JUST MAYBE ASKING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOBODY'S THOUGHT ABOUT THAT OR MAYBE THEY DIDN'T KNOW. 
          COUNCIL WOULD ENTERTAIN ADDING AN ENGINEER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'LL COME BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOVING ON. 
          SO EMPLOYEE EXPENSE HIGHLIGHTS, UH, 2.7% CO INCREASE, WHICH IS EQUAL TO THE, UH, CONSUMER PRICE INDEX. 
          UH, TYPICALLY IMPLEMENTED JANUARY, 2026. 
          UH, THE COST OF THAT IS 197,000, UH, 3% MERIT INCREASE. 
          UH, TOTAL COST OF THAT WOULD BE $426,000. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED IN OCTOBER 25. 
          UM, THE NEXT ONE, YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY, SORRY, SORRY. 
          NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          KEEP GOING. 
          KEEP GOING. 
          UH, LEOS, UH, THE, UH, FOR CERTIFIED POLICE OFFICERS IS NOW INCORPORATED INTO VRS. 
          IT'S A, A NET ZERO EFFECT. 
          PREVIOUSLY MET ONE ITEM UNDER THE, UH, UH, SALARIES AND FRINGE BENEFITS. 
          UH, FOR LEOS, THAT'S BEEN ROLLED UP INTO VRS. 
          THERE'S NO IMPACT TO THE MP, UH, THE EMPLOYEE'S BENEFITS, NO IMPACT. 
          UH, IT'S KIND OF A NET ZERO THING. 
          I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET, YOU'LL SEE THE DS IS ZERO, BUT IT'S, THEY CHANGE SCORES. 
          UH, HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE IS SIX POINT A HALF PERCENT. 
          UH, THE TOWN'S PORTION WOULD INCREASE $119,000 ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          AND WE HAVE LEADERSHIP TRAINING AT 5,000. 
          EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION EVENT, 5,000 HOLIDAY LUNCHEON, 5,000 AND A QUARTERLY LEADERSHIP PROGRAM FOR 2000. 
          THE HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE THE TOWN'S PORTION. 
          I'M, I'M, SO WHAT IS, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, UH, WHAT IS THE HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE OVERALL? 6.5%. 
          6.5%. 
          AND THEN, SO IS THE TOWN GONNA PICK UP ALL OF THE INCREASE? WE SPLIT IT WITH THE EMPLOYEES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, IT ALWAYS GOES UP. 
          SIX POINT A HALF PERCENT TOWN'S GOES UP SIX POINT A HALF PERCENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT KIND OF WIPES OUT THE, IN SOME INSTANCES IT WILL CERTAINLY WIPE OUT THE WIPE. 
          UM, SO IT'S, WHEN I SAY AVERAGE MERIT, UH, FOR THAT, UH, THE, UH, EMPLOYEES ON THE LOWER END PAY SCALE, UH, ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A HIGHER PERCENTAGE THAN HIGHER PAY SCALE. 
          WE, UH, WE ADOPTED THAT SEVEN YEARS AGO. 
          UM, AND CONTINUE WITH THAT. 
          ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF, UH, IF THE TOWN WOULD COVER THE ENTIRE INCREASE, THAT WOULD BE 
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236,000? UH, NO. 
          I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO THE NUMBERS. 
          IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT PLANS. 
          AND, UM, LAURA, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW MUCH IT IS? I WOULD NOT. 
          I WOULD, UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT 15. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL KNOW ONE A TIME INSURANCE, WE'RE GETTING A RAISE. 
          AND THEN THE PAYMENT I INSURANCE. 
          SURE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH IT HAPPENS OFTEN. 
          IT DOES. 
          YEAH. 
          IT ON INSURANCE. 
          I THINK BETWEEN THE COLA AND THE MERIT THOUGH, IT SHOULD OUTWEIGH THE INCREASE TO THE EMPLOYEE. 
          IT DEPENDS ON THE ELECTIVES. 
          YEAH. 
          IF IT'S SINGLE PREMIUM, ALSO, WHICH POLICY? BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE GRANDFATHERED INTO POLICY, BUT WE DON'T WANT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT. 
          I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY. 
          ISN'T THERE DIFFERENT FAMILY POLICY? THERE'S SOME RETIREES. 
          I THINK IT'S RETIREES. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, I THOUGHT EVERYBODY WAS OFFERED THE SAME POLICY. 
          YES. 
          AS FAR AS I'M AWARE. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          RETIREES, IF THEY'RE IN, IF THEY WERE HERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, THEIR'S IS DIFFERENT. 
          UM, AND DOES EVERYBODY, I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT THESE THINGS 'CAUSE YOU SPELL 'EM OUT LIKE THIS, RIGHT? IS EVERYBODY STILL LIKE, DO YOU LIKE THE EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION EVENT IN THE SUMMER? ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THE ABSOLUTELY. 
          I KNOW WE DO. 
          I'M NOT SAYING WE DO. 
          I'M ASKING DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE EMPLOYEES DO? I KNOW, LIKE, I MEAN, I KNOW LIKE THE SUMMER, THIS SUMMER IT WASN'T AS MUCH, BUT IT WAS LITERALLY THE HOTTEST DAY, THE SUMMER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO I  BOTH ARE WELL ATTENDED. 
          UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE BANANA PUDDING AT THE CHRISTMAS EVENT. 
           GOOD TO KNOW. 
          AS LONG AS YOU DON'T MAKE A CURVE. 
          I THINK. 
          I THINK IT, I THINK ALL STAFF, IF THEY DIDN'T COME EVEN LIKE NIGHT SHIFT AT THE PD AND STUFF, WERE ALL TAKING TRADES. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'VE HAD REALLY GOOD ATTENDANCE. 
          UM, AND SO I WOULD, UH, GOOD. 
          DID THE, DO THE EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION EVENTS, DO THE EMPLOYEES APPRECIATE IT AS WELL? DID THEY NO. 
          I MEAN, DO THEY ARE LIKE, YEAH, NO. 
          I, I THINK IT'S VERY, UH, VERY WORTHWHILE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THERE? THEY ALWAYS SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES EVERY TIME WE DO IT. 
          WE'VE GOTTEN MOST, YEAH. 
          WE'VE GOTTEN IT CATERED BY LOCAL BUSINESSES AND HAD LOCAL DESSERT, WHATEVER. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT'S ALL AROUND GOOD. 
          UH, SO GENERAL FUND HIGHLIGHTS. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE DRUG COURTS, UH, 50,000 YEAR, THREE OF 10 TOWN SCHOLARSHIPS, 3000, UH, CONSULTANT FOR A POLICE FIRING RANGE, $20,000. 
          WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS TO, UH, FIGURE OUT OPTIONS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          CURRENTLY THEY'RE USING THE TOWNS FARM. 
          UH, WE GET A, SOME COMPLAINTS, UH, REGARDING THE NOISE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR OPTIONS. 
          THAT'S, UH, THAT WAS LOOKING TO GET A CONSULTANT MEETING FOR OFFICER. 
          DO YOU, DO YOU REALLY FEEL LIKE YOU NEED A CONSULTANT OR ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS PROVIDE INSIGHT INTO THAT, OR NO? ONE COST, MY THOUGHT WAS THE GIS PLANNER. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          BUT THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS. 
          DO WE NEED A CONSULTANT FOR IT? UM, BUT THE GIS PLANNER WOULD KNOW BECAUSE AS WE JUST SAW WITH THE COUNTY, NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF PIECE OF PROPERTY OR WHERE IT'S LOCATED, SOMEBODY'S NOT GONNA LIKE IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE DID TALK ABOUT THE, AT THE LIAISON MEETING, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WAS OCTOBER OR MM-HMM . 
          PROBABLY WAS, I THINK IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN OCTOBER, NOT THE JANUARY ONE. 
          UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, IS IT SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN AND COUNTY WOULD WANT TO GO TOGETHER ON, YOU'RE SAYING? NO. 
          NO. 
          YOU, I MEAN, WE DID ASK THAT'S YOUR OPINION, RIGHT, THOUGH? I'M JUST SAYING. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WAS, WE'VE GOT TWO OFFICERS OVER HERE. 
          I ASKED THEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I'M, NO, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT IT. 
          I SAY HE DID TALK ABOUT LIKE, IS THERE AN APPETITE? IS IT SOME, YEAH. 
          IS THERE AN APPETITE FOR THE TOWN AND COUNTY TO GO TOGETHER ON THE EXPENSE OF IT RATHER THAN HAVING TO, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE ARE TIMES, THERE ARE TIMES THAT THERE ARE THINGS WITH TOWN AND COUNTY COULD COME TOGETHER ON INSTEAD OF DUPLICATE, DUPLICATIVE, UM, THINGS. 
          THIS ONE DID SEEM LIKE, THIS DID SEEM LIKE ONE THAT IT COULD BE. 
          UM, AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS, IS THAT I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T THINK BY THE AMOUNT OF STAFF THAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN AND IN THE COUNTY THAT IT WOULD BE SUCH THAT IT WOULD BE SO CROWDED ALL THE TIME. 
          WHICH YOU, WHICH YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH TWO AGENCIES WHEN I WAS A FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR, ONE AGENCY, AND MAYBE NOT THE HEAD OF THE AGENCY, BUT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA LEAVE THE RANGE LIKE THEY FOUND IT. 
          UH, STUFF'S 
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GONNA, YOU KNOW, THE LESS PEOPLE CAN USE THE RANGE, IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE THE RANGE IS GONNA LAST LONGER. 
          UH, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE MAINTENANCE ON RANGES. 
          YOUR, YOUR BACKSTOPS, YOUR YOUR POINTS WHERE YOU HAVE TO, THE, THE EQUIPMENT HAS TO BE ON IT. 
          UH, THE RANGE IS NOT CHEAP. 
          MY ONLY THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND IT WAS THOUGH, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT THAN I AM. 
          I KNOW, UM, LIKE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR INSTANCE, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY PAY MONEY TO LIKE UTILIZE OTHER LOCALITIES EVEN OUT OF THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AT TIMES. 
          SO I JUST WONDERED IF WE DID THAT WITH OTHER LOCALITIES WHO NEEDED A RANGE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LACK OF RANGES, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S A LACK OF AVAILABILITY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT IF WE COULD MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT BY ALLOWING IT TO BE UTILIZED BY LIKE OTHER AGENCIES AND IT WAS A JOINT VENTURE BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE WOULD MAKE A DECISION ON IT, I REALLY THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A MEETING WITH THE CHIEF AND HIS COMMAND STAFF TO GET THEIR OPINION ON IT. 
          YOU KNOW, ABOUT MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS USING THE RANGE. 
          YEAH, I AGREE. 
          I SAME THING. 
          IT'S DOESN'T THE SHERIFF, DOESN'T THE COUNTY USE OURS NOW? DO THEY NOT GO DOWN THE FARM AT ALL? WE DON'T USE IT NOW, DIDN'T THEY? IN THE PAST. 
          SO WE HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO, WHEN THEY HAD TO HAVE EMERGENCY TO QUALIFY A FEW PEOPLE, WE DO ALLOW THEM TO GO DOWN THERE. 
          I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE FURTHER DISCUSSION BECAUSE OF THE NOISE THAT THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS AND WE CAN SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS. 
          AND WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE NOISE, I MEAN, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY'S BEEN DEALING WITH. 
          NOBODY, NOBODY WANTS IT NEAR THEIR PROPERTY. 
          WELL, NOBODY WANTS NEAR THEIR PROPERTY. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT AN INDOOR, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, I FELT THAT THAT WHEN WE DID THE TALK ABOUT WHEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN TALKED ABOUT IT, THE LIAISON MEETING, THEY TALKED ABOUT LIKE THE, AN EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, INDOOR. 
          ANYWAY, REGARDLESS, I'LL SAY THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE NOISE, EVEN FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. 
          SURE. 
          IS IT ANNOYING? YEAH, IT HAPPENS EVERY NOW AND THEN. 
          BUT THE SAME PEOPLE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, WANT A POLICE OFFICER WITH A GUN WHO KNOWS HOW TO USE IT WHEN THEY CALL 9 1 1. 
          SO IT'S THE SAME ARGUMENT AS DEFUND THE POLICE AND THEN CALL THE NINE ONE ONE FOR BACKUP WHEN YOU'RE SCARED. 
          SO I'D RATHER THEM, YOU KNOW, QUALIFYING TWICE A YEAR, DAY AND NIGHT THAN TO NOT HAVES WHAT THEY NEED TO BE DOING THEIR JOB. 
          YOU KNOW? SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE, THAT'S WHY I SAID WE'RE GONNA COMPLETE NO MATTER WHERE IT'S LOCATED. 
          I FEEL LIKE YEAH, IF IT'S OUTSIDE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, IF IT'S OUTSIDE AND INDOOR, I JUST DON'T SEE FEASIBILITY WISE, I GUESS MAYBE A CONSULTANT AT $20,000. 
          BUT YOU'RE TALKING BIG MONEY, YOU'RE INDOOR ROOM SEVERAL MILLION. 
          I THINK THAT WAS THE REASON WHY THE TALK CAME UP AT THE, I MEAN, 'CAUSE AT THE TIME THE COUNTY WAS HEAVY INTO THIS CONVERSATION AND LOTS OF FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS WHO LIVED NEAR SOME OF THE AREAS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT, UM, WERE SO OPPOSED TO IT BEING NEAR THEM THAT THEY, THAT THAT'S WHY THE, THE CONVERSATION CAME UP IS, IS, IS IT SOMETHING THAT, THAT PUTTING OUR MONEY TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN INDOOR FACILITY. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          IF IT'S A GOOD MILLION DOLLARS, WE CAN'T AFFORD IT EITHER. 
          BUT, UM, ANYWAY, IT WAS JUST, LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP. 
          BUT IF THAT'S NOT THE, IF THAT'S NOT WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT ANYMORE, UM, IT JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, THOSE OF YOU THAT KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY BETTER THAN I, UM, IS DID THE COUNTY HIRE A CONSULTANT ABOUT A FIRING RANGE? DO YOU KNOW, KNOW BY CHANCE? I DON'T KNOW EITHER. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          I WONDER IF IT'S OKAY. 
          I'M JUST, IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO. 
          YEAH, I JUST WAS WONDERING BECAUSE THEY, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT A LOT AND NOW I HAVEN'T HEARD A WORD ABOUT IT. 
          WELL, YOU HAVE A LIAISON MEETING COMING UP. 
          PERFECT. 
          UM, WE ONLY, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS I'LL BRING IT UP WITH THE LIAISON MEETING, BUT IF, IF WE'RE NOT, IF PEOPLE AREN'T, DON'T WANNA ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF DOING ONE TOGETHER, THEN I DON'T WANNA BRING IT UP AND GIVE THEM THE IMPRESSION LIKE WE DID THE LAST TIME, WHICH IS MAYBE WE COULD GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT IT. 
          EVEN IF WE DON'T DO 'EM TOGETHER. 
          MAYBE THEY'D BE SO GENEROUS TO BE, SHARE THEIR INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR CONSULTING SERVICES. 
          WELL, I THINK WE, BEFORE WE WOULD OFFER TO DO THE RINGS TOGETHER, AND IT'S NO OFFENSE TO THE SHERIFF OR TO THEIR DEPARTMENT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK TO THOSE WHO JOAN RIGHT BACK THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE OKAY WITH YEAH, I GOT, I AGREE BECAUSE, AND YOU SAY OKAY WITH IT, BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE NOW? WE HAVE GUYS GOING, GUYS AND GALS GOING OUT THERE BASICALLY IN OPEN AIR, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. 
          SO WHEN WE I OKAY WITH IT, THEY COULD PROBABLY TELL BETTER. 
          OH, BUT THAT, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS IT'S SOMETHING BETTER THAN NOTHING. 
          RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 
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NOTHING. 
          THAT'S ALL I, YEAH. 
          AND FOR ME, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING FOR THEM TO BE PROUD OF. 
          THERE'S A SENSE OF PRIDE IN THAT KNOWING LIKE, WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN ON THE FARM TO QUALIFY TODAY. 
          WE HAVE A RANGE. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY WHEN WE SAY THEY GO TO THE FARM, THEY'RE GOING TO THE FARM. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, AND JOE, WHEN HE DROVE ME AROUND WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED, HE SHOWED ME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, HIS VISION AT THE TIME WAS, YOU KNOW, THE GREATEST FACILITY OUT THERE AND INDOOR FACILITY YEAH. 
          UH, FOR OUR OFFICERS. 
          SO, SO HEY, LET US, UH, LET US COME BACK WITH QUICK. 
          YEP. 
          WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL CIRCLE BACK DOWN ON THAT. 
          ANYWAY. 
          UH, SO NEXT THING, UH, WE HAVE ON THERE IS THREE ADDITIONAL POLICE VEHICLES. 
          $158,000. 
          NOW THESE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL, UH, ADDING TO THE FLEET. 
          UH, ACHIEVEMENT IS HAVING GOOD CONVERSATIONS THAT IF WE, UH, ADD THESE VEHICLES IN, WE CAN LOWER THE MILEAGE, HOPEFULLY ALL THE WAY AROUND, UM, UH, BY ROTATING SOME OUT. 
          UM, I REALLY FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN GET THAT DONE AND MAKE THESE VEHICLES LAST MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND BETTER SHAPE. 
          DID WE ADD THREE LAST YEAR? UM, WE, UM, IT WAS REPLACEMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, I KNOW. 
          WE WERE LIKE SIX BEHIND LAST YEAR. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S WHY WE GOT THE REPLACEMENTS COMING IN. 
          TWO. 
          THESE WOULD BE ADDING TO THE FLEET ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WE WOULD TAKE THE BEST ONES, YOU KNOW, AND HOLD ONTO THOSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I REPLACE, UH, COMPUTERS RUNNING WINDOWS 10 $55,000. 
          I REPLACED THE, UH, CAMERA SYSTEM, NON ENTERPRISE FUND FOR $30,000. 
          SO THAT'S LIKE A TOWN HALL HERE. 
          UM, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? SHE IS, I SAID WHAT CAMERA? CAMERA SYSTEM. 
          I, I WAS LOOKING AT YOU SAYING IT AND SHE WAS WHISPERING IN HERE IN TOWN HALL. 
          WELL, THE TOWN HALL FOR LIKE MY CASHIERS AND THE UH, UH, I BELIEVE THAT CHARLES, IT'S THE WHOLE TOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          GAZEBO. 
          UH, BASICALLY JUST ANY PLACE WHERE WE HAVE CAMERAS TO NON-ENTERPRISE, IT WOULDN'T BE ELECTRIC WATER, SEWER, IT WOULD BE FOR NON-ENTERPRISE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          UM, SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          UH, THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF 'EM THERE FOR $27,000. 
          UH, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME ONES WE'VE DONE, UH, FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS WITH, UH, JULY 3RD. 
          FIREWORKS BEING ONE OF THE BIGGER ONES. 
          IS THAT, THAT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE SPENT, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I'M CORRECT. 
          MS. LIZZIE. 
          UH, YEAH, I THINK WE MAY HAVE INCREASED IT BY A THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST IN CASE FIREWORKS WENT UP BECAUSE WE EXPECT THEM TO, WE GOTTA REALLY LOOK ON THE FIREWORKS. 
          YEAH. 
          I ONLY SAID IT 'CAUSE IT WAS LIKE GENERAL FUND HIGHLIGHTS. 
          I THOUGHT THESE MEANT LIKE IN ADDITION TO, AND I WAS LIKE, I THOUGHT WE HAD, WE HAD MONEY ALREADY AND STUFF. 
          THEY'RE THE SAME. 
          UM, UH, GIS SERVICES FOR $50,000. 
          WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A, UH, A, A PLANNER POSITION COULD ALSO BE, THAT'S WHY THE PLANNER POSITION'S KIND OF SPLIT IN HALF. 
          SO WE CAN KIND OF NAVIGATE THE FIELD AND SEE WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO. 
          THERE IS TALKS OF SOME SORT OF JOINT EFFORT FOR GIS, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE GONNA LAND ON THAT, BUT THAT'S WHY WE DEFINITELY NEED JIS SERVICES. 
          NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. 
          HOW THAT PLAYS OUT, I JUST DON'T KNOW QUITE YET. 
          UH, BUT WE ARE WORKING, UH, DOWN THAT AND THEN PUBLIC WORK OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING REPAIRS YEAR ONE OF TWO. 
          SO WE'RE SPLIT THIS, THAT MONEY ASIDE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS IS BEING PAVED HERE. 
          HOPEFULLY THIS SPRING, UH, WE'LL SET THAT MONEY ASIDE AND LIKE TO HAVE A NICE LOOKING BUILDING TO GO WITH IT. 
          ONE QUESTION UP. 
          THE TOWN SCHOLARSHIPS, ISN'T THAT, IS THAT, ISN'T THAT FUNDED BY THE ELECTRIC COMPANY? THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE. 
          THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISN'T, YEAH, SO WE, WE ALL, THERE WERE TWO AND THEN SOMEBODY CAME IN MY FIRST YEAR ON COUNCIL A CITIZEN AND SAID, I WANT TO SPONSOR A THIRD ONE. 
          AND THEN THEY DID, AND THEN THEY DIDN'T SPONSOR IT AFTERWARDS. 
          AND SO WE JUST KEPT THE THREE. 
          UM, BUT THE ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I WANT TO SAY IT'S CALLED THE AMP, I THINK DID NO, NO, YOU DID THE Y'ALL WE DID THE TOWN. 
          Y'ALL DID THE TOWN. 
          THAT'S WHY I'S CONFUS. 
          YEAH. 
          WE DID THE, THE F1 IS ANYBODY WHO, ANYBODY WHO'S ELECTRIC IS PROVIDED THROUGH THEM CAN APPLY FOR IT. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST TOWN. 
          LIKE I JUST KNOW, UM, IAN HOLSCHER WANTED TWO YEARS AGO AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE HAD HAD ANYBODY WIN IN A WHILE RIGHT. 
          TO YOU. 
          AND, AND WHEN WE DID THAT, WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE TO FILTER THAT MONEY THROUGH THE TOWN, BUT AMP PAID THE TOWN FOR US. 
          WE DID A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR IT TO BRING THE MONEY BACK IN AND THEN FILTER THROUGH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I WANNA SAY THAT WAS LIKE 3000. 
          IT WAS LIKE YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          DECENT AMOUNT. 
          YEAH, IT WAS A DECENT AMOUNT. 
          THE ONES WE GIVE THREE $1,000 ONES, BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          BUT ANY CITIZEN, ANY CHILD WHO'S LIVES IN TOWN THAT'S GETTING ELECTRIC SERVICE THROUGH THE TOWN COULD APPLY FOR THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND THEY, WE SEND SOMETHING OUT FOR THAT TOO, OR DO THEY? YEAH, NO, WE SEND IT OUT ON BEHALF. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, GENERAL FUND HIGHLIGHTS, THESE ARE THE ACES 
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PROJECTS. 
          SO, UH, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL $25,000 FOR LARGE TREE REMOVAL, UH, AT THE GAZEBO. 
          UM, UH, THE TREE PUR PURCHASES, $11,000 GREENWAY TRAIL, HAPPY CREEK MAINTENANCE, 2000 HAZARDOUS TREE REMOVAL, 10,000. 
          AND THEN THE YEARLY TREE CANOPY A YEAR TWO OF FIVE FOR 5,000. 
          DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY LARGE TREES ARE BEING REMOVED AT THE GAZEBO? IS IT BECAUSE THEIR ROOTS ARE LIKE UNDER THE BRICKS AND STUFF? OH, IT'S DISEASE. 
          IT'S THE, UH, IT'S THE TYPE OF TREE AND THEY'RE ENDING THE LIFESPAN. 
          CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ROBIN. 
          THEY HAVE A DISEASE, BUT SEVERAL OF THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHEN, SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE REPLANT, ARE WE GONNA REPLANT THERE? SO THAT'S WHAT THE $25,000 IS TO REMOVE IT AND TO PLANT NEW ONES. 
          YES. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING BACK DOWN IN THERE. 
          YOU HAPPEN TO REMEMBER RILEY? NO. 
          ACES WAS GONNA TRY TO HELP PICK SOMETHING. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE SOME SORT OF TREE, UH, MIGHT NOT BE AS BIG NO. 
          BEGINNING. 
          THAT'S, THAT WAS MY POINT. 
          MY POINT WAS GONNA BE THERE IS GOING TO BE A CHANGE AROUND THAT AREA. 
          LARGE BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU HAVE, YOU'VE WORKED WITH DEPARTMENT OF IN THE PAST, RIGHT? SO I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T MONITORED IT TO KNOW WHETHER THERE, THEY OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT NEW JERSEY, WE'VE NEVER RECEIVED ANY UPDATES IN A COUPLE WEEKS, BUT LAST I HEARD EVERYTHING'S STILL ON HOLD. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BUT ALL THE REST OF THE STUFF WAS THINGS THAT WE WERE ALREADY DOING, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          SO THE ONLY CHANGE TO THAT BUDGET IS THE 25,000, RIGHT. 
          WHICH WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO. 
          I MEAN, IT'S COMING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          UH, SO THE GENERAL FUND CAPITAL DEBT EXPENDITURES. 
          SO WE HAVE THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING, REHABILITATION DEBT SERVICE, UH, FORTY THREE, A HUNDRED EIGHTY 4,000. 
          THAT'LL END IN 2043. 
          UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S BODY WOR CAMERAS. 
          UH, SO THAT DOES END HERE IN AUGUST OF 2025. 
          I THINK WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS TO BRING THAT BACK UP. 
          UM, AND THAT'LL SHOULD, WOULD REMAIN SEEN. 
          HOPEFULLY WELL WAIT IN THERE. 
          WELL, YOU LEASING? YEAH. 
          NOT, YES. 
          SO HAVE YOU TRIED THE, HAVE YOU TRIED THE, UH, GRANTS GONNA OUT AS WELL, CHIEF? YEAH. 
          KNOWING ABOUT THE GRANTS FOR THE, UH, BODY CAMERAS. 
          I THINK WE GOT A GRANT FOR TWO OF 'EM. 
          ONE TIME. 
          THEY, THEY PAID FOR ACTUALLY TWO, UH, CAMERAS, BUT IT WASN'T, UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING TO GET A FULL DO YOU KNOW ABOUT GRANTS FOR THAT? I DO KNOW ABOUT GRANTS FOR THAT, BUT I NEED TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT THEIR, UM, LIKE TWO WOULDN'T BE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S HELPFUL, BUT IT'S NOT YEAH, IT'S NOT AS HELPFUL. 
          IT WAS JUST BASICALLY BACKUPS AS I BELIEVE WHAT THEY WERE. 
          AND IT'S, YEAH. 
          THAT'S FEW YEARS AGO. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN I TOURED ON MY FIRST, ANYTHING WOULD BE BETTER THAN NOTHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE A GRANT WRITER. 
          NO, I KNOW THERE'S A, THERE'S A STATE FUND THAT WAS PAYING FOR IT, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR FORCE IS PROBABLY TOO BIG FOR THAT, FOR THE OTHER ONE, BUT I'LL LOOK HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WOULDN'T BE TILL THE SPRING ANYWAY. 
          SO YOU MEAN NEXT SPRING? NEXT SPRING. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE DONE PRETTY MUCH NOW. 
          AND A LOT OF TIMES THE LEASES GIVE YOU THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY WENT TO LEASES BECAUSE THE UPKEEP AND THE MAINTENANCE AND REPLACING THE TURNAROUND. 
          AND NOW IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THE RADI RADIO ASSISTANT DEBT SERVICE, UH, YEAR SEVEN TO 12 OR $71,000. 
          UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, CONSTRUCTION DEBT SERVICE, 369,000. 
          THAT'S AN END SITE. 
          WELL, IF YOU GOTTA BE OVER THERE, 2031, TO BE FAIR, BUT WE HAVE TO REFINANCE. 
          WE'RE IN CONTROL OF THIS DEBT. 
          WE'RE IN CONTROL OF THIS DEBT. 
          YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          . 
          WE NEED TO REFINANCE 6.1 . 
          OUR, OUR POLICE OFFICER'S HOME IS NOT GETTING REPOSSESSED DUE TO FRAUD . 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE WARREN COUNTY'S, UH, VRA BOND, UH, FOR  PARKWAY OF $148,000. 
          AND THAT DOES IN 2035. 
          SO, UM, IS THAT THE TOTAL, THAT IS THE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION PORTION OF IT. 
          THAT IS, UH, BUT I MEAN, IS IT THE TOTAL 148,000 OR THAT'S 148,000 EVERY YEAR. 
          THAT'S THE TOWN'S PORTION. 
          AND THAT'S EVERY YEAR TO 23 YEAR, 10 MORE YEARS. 
          WHAT ON HERE? I, ALL RIGHT. 
          STREET FUND. 
          SO THE, UH, HIGHLIGHTS ON THE STREET FUND, WE DID ADD A NEW DEPARTMENT, UH, FOR TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION. 
          UM, WHAT WE DID IS WE REMOVED A, UH, A LINE ITEM UNDER HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE AND ALSO REMOVED LINE ITEM, UH, UNDER A DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SERVICES. 
          PREVIOUSLY ENERGY SERVICES WAS BILLING THE STREET DEPARTMENT. 
          SO WHAT WE DID IS CREATE AN ACTUAL DEPARTMENT SO WE CAN BETTER TRACK THOSE EXPENDITURES. 
          UH, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA EXPENSE, UH, 
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PART OF THE EMPLOYEE'S SALARIES TO THIS DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, UH, OVERALL IT'S, IT, THERE'S, LIKE I SAY, IT'S MAINLY FOR ATTRACT TRACKING PURPOSES. 
          NO ADDITIONAL POLICE, OR NOT POLICE, BUT, UH, PERSONNEL, UH, FOR THIS DEPARTMENT. 
          BUT THE TOTAL FOR THE DEPARTMENT IS 108,360,000. 
          SO IT'S BASICALLY A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO YES. 
          RATHER THAN ONE BILLING OF THE OTHER ONE. 
          WE'RE GOING STRAIGHT TO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH WAY IS STAFF TIME AND IT'LL HELP OUT WITH, UH, UM, UH,  REPORTING AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE HIGHLIGHTS. 
          UH, SO WE HAD THE STORM SEWER MAPPING, UH, FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          YEAR TWO OF FOUR SNOW PLOW REPLACEMENTS. 
          20,000 LAST YEAR FOR THOSE SALT SPREADER REPLACEMENTS. 
          40,002 OF FIVE YEARS. 
          AND THEN, UH, REPLACING THIS, UH, 1988 TRACK LOADER, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS SPREAD ACROSS, UH, WATER, SEWER SOLID WASTE AND STREETS. 
          ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTS USE AS TRACK LOADER. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS OBVIOUSLY REPLACE IT. 
          SO WE'RE SPREADING THAT, UH, UH, COST AMONGST ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTS. 
          UH, THE HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT'S, UH, PORTION OF IT IS $50,000. 
          THAT'LL BE YEAR ONE AND TWO. 
          UM, REPLACING A 2004 CHEVROLET 3,500 PICKUP, UH, THAT IS YEAR TWO OF TWO. 
          AND THEN OUR STREET SWEEPER LOAN, $26,000, UH, YEAR EIGHT OF 10. 
          AND THAT ENDS IN APRIL, 2027. 
          DJ SOME OF THOSE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE YEAR FOUR OF FOUR SNOW PLOW REPLACEMENT, UM, THIS IS OUR LAST YEAR FOR THAT RATING. 
          OR I MEAN, THE ONE, YOU KNOW, 2026 BUDGET WOULD BE THE LAST YEAR FOR THAT RATING. 
          SO, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, IS THERE MORE THAN LIKELY GONNA BE IN THE 2027 BUDGET? NO PLOW REPLACEMENT AGAIN, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE THINGS SNOW PLOW REPLACEMENT SHOULDN'T COME BACK AGAIN. 
          UH, FOR A LITTLE WHILE. 
          NOW. 
          THE SALT SHACK IS GONNA DEFINITELY COME BACK NEXT YEAR. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAD TO TAKE THAT, WE HAD TO CUT THAT OUT OF THIS, OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO GET BALANCED. 
          BUT THE, UH, RIGHT. 
          UM, SO THE, UH, SNOW PLOW REPLACEMENT WON'T BE BACKED, BUT THERE WILL BE. 
          AND LIKE THE TRACK LOADER, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHEN THAT'S REPLACED, UH, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT TAKES THIS PLACE. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING, LIKE, SOME OF THESE THINGS WE'RE LIKE, OH, GOOD, WE'RE AT THE END OF THE, WE SEE LIGHT, THE END OF THE TUNNEL, BUT THEN SOMETHING ELSE JUST TAKES ITS PLACE. 
          UM, SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT DIDN'T SOUND RIGHT. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE, ALWAYS GONNA BE THAT NEED IS THE, UH, IS ONE OF THE TOP NOW THE STORM SEWER MAPPING, EVENTUALLY WE SHOULD GET TO THE, I MEAN, THAT WAS BECAUSE THAT WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON STUFF. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A STORM. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO AT THE END OF THAT FOUR YEARS, THAT'LL BE DONE AND OVER WITH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'LL BE DONE AND OVER WITH. 
          AND THAT INFORMATION WE CAN USE MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO THAT WON'T BE AN ONGOING, DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          NOW. 
          YOU'RE, WE'RE RUINING THE MONEY IN THE FOURTH YEAR TO BUY THE, SOMEBODY COME IN AND, UM, MAP THIS OUT AND SEE WHERE PROBLEMATIC AREAS ARE. 
          AND WHEN WE REPLACE A VEHICLE, IS IT BASED ON MILES AGE OR WHAT? SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR EVERYTHING. 
          THE, UM, SO WHAT GENERALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE'LL TAKE, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, UH, THE POLICE CRUISERS, IF THEY COME OFFLINE, WE'LL FILTER THOSE DOWN TO ANOTHER, A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE IT AND THEN REPLACE THE OLDEST OR THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE VEHICLE GIVING US THE MOST PROBLEMS. UM, UH, GENERALLY ON THE PICKUPS, UH, UH, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'VE HAD IT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT PICKUP IN PARTICULAR, NO, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK NOW. 
          UM, BUT USUALLY THE PICKUPS HAVE HAD IT, YOU FIGURE THEY'VE BEEN PUSHING SNOW AND MM-HMM . 
          SO IT'S A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF SERVICE, NOT NECESSARILY A LOT OF MILES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          MORE HOURS THAN MILES. 
          AND THE ONLY REASON WE GET AWAY WITH WHAT WE HAVE, LIKE THAT SALT SPREADER REPLACEMENT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED WHEN I CAME ON MY FIRST TERM, THE ONLY REASON WE GOT AWAY WITH PUSHING THAT OFF AS LONG AS WE DID IS 'CAUSE WE HAD GUYS THAT KNEW HOW TO WELD. 
          IT WASN'T PART OF THEIR JOB PERFORM. 
          I'LL TELL YOU THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN DAWN, WE WERE IN TROUBLE. 
          UM, AND JUST FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE, UM, BUCKET TRUCK  THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, AND THEN A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT USED THAT BUCKET TRUCK. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I, WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUCK TRUCK. 
          WE WERE GONNA DONATE TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. 
          AND AS IT TURNS OUT, THEY'RE, UM, THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN IT BECAUSE IT, IT HADN'T BEEN INSPECTED. 
          AND, AND TO BE ABLE TO, THEY SAID ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO TO GET INSPECTED, IT WAS JUST GONNA BE TOO MUCH. 
          SO I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO KNOW IF YOU NEVER SAW THAT SHOW BACK UP ON AN AGENDA, THAT'S THE REASON WHY. 
          SO WE CAN SELL THAT . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, I DIDN'T TELL YOU THAT. 
          I'M SO SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON RID OF SOMETHING USUALLY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S END OF LIFE. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, THEY TOLD ME THEY THANK YOU, 
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THANK YOU. 
          BUT, AND NOT IN A RUDE WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S LIKE, THANK YOU FOR THINKING OF US. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, SO THEN THE, UH, UH, CONTINUED HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE, UH, PRIMARY PAVING IS NORTH ROYAL AVENUE COMMERCE, THE SIXTH STREET, HUNDRED 34,000 SECONDARY PAVING. 
          THESE INCLUDE THE APPLICABLE CURB GUTTER SIDEWALKS, UH, FOR LERAY AVENUE, WEST 12TH STREET, 17TH STREET, VIRGINIA AVENUE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE PAVING PLAN IS PERFORMED IN CONJUNCTION WITH WATERLINE UPGRADES. 
          UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT HERE IN SMITH. 
          THAT'S ONE. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT IN HERE IS HAVING SIDEWALKS CLOSED. 
          YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE WE HAVE SIDEWALKS NEAR SCHOOLS. 
          SO THAT'S, UM, ESPECIALLY LERAY AVENUE SKY. 
          YEAH. 
          SKYLINE. 
          BECAUSE IT'S WHERE OUR, IT'S ALSO WHERE OUR WALKING TRAIL IS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ELECTRIC EXPENDITURES. 
          SO THERE'S OUR PURCHASE POWER INCREASE. 
          THE PURCHASE POWER IS INCREASING $2.6 MILLION, 17.6%. 
          UM, I SAY WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL NEXT WEEK AND HERE IN THE FUTURE WITH MORE INFORMATION ON THAT POWER CALL, UH, SUPPLY CONSULTING, $40,000, OUR ASSET SOFTWARE, YOUR THREE OR FIVE, 9,000 ADDITIONAL PLANNING FOR REPLACEMENT OF A, UH, FIVE 50 BUCKET TRUCK, UH, FOR $90,000. 
          UH, WE HAD SET MONEY ASIDE FOR THAT, UH, PRICE. 
          THE VEHICLES WENT UP. 
          SO, UH, WE NEEDED TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, ABBY, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. 
          I ASSUME FOR THE SECONDARY PAVING LURE AVENUE, WEST MAIN CREER ROAD, DO WE KNOW WHAT SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT'S GOING ON, ROBBIE? I WOULD SAY ON THE SCHOOL SIDE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS OUT, DOWN TOWARDS KILBY AND ALL THAT. 
          SO WE WOULD PROBABLY KEEP IT ON THAT SIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE IS ALREADY SOME YOU SAYING. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST THINKING THAT MIGHT ALSO HELP WITH SOME OF THE SPEEDING THROUGH THERE. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW FROM WEST MAIN TO CREER, SPECIFICALLY FROM THE SCHOOL TO CREER IS VERY WIDE THROUGH THERE. 
          I HAVE ONE KID THAT WE DROP OFF THERE AND I THINK THAT AIDS IN SPEEDING AND DRIVING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST, YEAH, IT'S A BIG ROAD. 
          BUT, SORRY, THAT'S, I WAS JUST WONDERING. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          UH, HAPPY CREEK SUBSTATION TRANSFORMER. 
          YEAR ONE OF FIVE OR $200,000. 
          UM, UH, PROBABLY REMEMBER WE SPENT A GOOD BALANCE, UH, TRANSFORMERS HERE RECENTLY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO DO AGAIN. 
          UH, WE DID CREATE A NEW LINE ITEM FOR VEGETATION MANAGEMENT. 
          THERE IS $200,000 UNDER THAT LINE ITEM. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK, UH, WE PREVIOUSLY HAD BUDGET OF VEGETATION MANAGEMENT, UH, UNDER REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE, TREE TRIMMING. 
          THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, PROPER TERM FOR THAT. 
          UH, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, UM, LINE ITEM FOR REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE WAS DECREASED. 
          IT'S JUST, LIKE I SAY, A BETTER TRACKING MAINTENANCE. 
          THE TRANSFORMER, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE SETTING ASIDE MONEY TO BUY IN FIVE YEARS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE'RE HOPING WE CAN MAKE IT FIVE YEARS. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S AN IDEA. 
          SO THIS IS NEW FOR GROWTH. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM HAPPY CREEK AREA. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          AND THIS WILL TAKE, THIS WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL ONE, THIS ADDITIONAL NEW TRANSFER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T TAKE FIVE YEARS TO GET IT. 
          ONCE WE HAVE THE MONEY AND WE'RE GOING ABOUT A ONE TO TWO YEAR NOW. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MAKE PAYMENTS ON IT. 
          UH, MOVING ALONG HERE. 
          WATER EXPENDITURE ALLIES. 
          SO WE HAVE REGULATORY COMPLIANCE FOR PAS AND LEAD AND COPPER REQUIREMENTS HERE. 
          1 0 2 FOR $25,000. 
          UM, IMPINGEMENT AND STREAM STUDY, UH, SOURCE FOR THE WATER INTAKE. 
          A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          SO THIS IS RELATING BACK TO THE, UH, THE VERY EXPENSIVE, UH, FILTER OR SCREENS THAT WE NEED TO PUT ONTO THE, UH, MAY, MAY NEED TO PUT ON. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE RIGHT AVENUE. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          THE, UM, UH, AND TRY TO DO A STUDY AND SEE WHAT OTHER OPTIONS MAY BE OUT THERE FOR US. 
          I SAID MAYBE WE CAN AVOID A, A LARGE, UM, EXPENSE HENDRICK'S TRAVEL SCREEN REPLACEMENT, $75,000 YEAR THREE OR FOUR, UH, RAW WATER, RIVER PUMP, MOTOR AND SWITCH GEAR. 
          YEAR TWO, $300,000. 
          UH, REPAIR THE OLD PRE PRE SETTLING BASIN. 
          75,000 RIVER PUMP ROOF REPLACEMENT, 40,000. 
          AND THEN THERE'S OUR WATERLINE UPGRADES THAT ARE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PAVING PLANS. 
          SO WE HAVE NORTH ROW AVENUE EAST SIX TO ACADEMY $425,000. 
          THAT IS ONE OF THE LARGER WATER LINES ONE THROUGH TOWN. 
          UH, THEN A JAMESTOWN ROAD INTERCONNECTION FOR $199,000. 
          I KNOW Y'ALL SAVE MONEY WHEN YOU REPLACE AND UPGRADE JAMESTOWN. 
          'CAUSE THAT THING IS DUG UP EVERY OTHER WEEK. 
          YEAH, IT IS . 
          I MEAN, THERE'S ALWAYS ISSUES WITH THE JAMESTOWN ROAD ONE BJ, THE, THE WATER LINE UPGRADES. 
          I, I JUST WANNA ASK THIS. 
          I KNOW WE TALKED, I KNOW IN THE PAST AND THEY START DOING THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AS YOU SAID, THINGS ARE GETTING DUG UP, BUT I KNOW 
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I, THAT WHEN WE REPLACED THINGS AND THE ROADS, YOU KNOW, ARE GETTING CHOPPED UP, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED ABOUT, UM, HOW IT LOOKS. 
          WE DON'T GO BACK AND PAVE IT UNTIL AFTER EVERYTHING, UNTIL THE WATERLINE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          I THINK, I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T GET THAT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE PUT DOWN SOME TEMPORARY, BUT YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA, RIGHT. 
          UH, I JUST KNOW WHEN WE DID THAT BEFORE, THERE WERE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT WERE UPSET ABOUT THINGS AND IT WAS LIKE, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA INVEST A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY ON SOMETHING UNTIL WE'RE READY TO THAT IT IS DONE. 
          AND, AND, AND THEN, YEAH. 
          AND THEN YOU WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S JUST A WASTE OF MONEY. 
          UM, THEN THE LAST ONE THERE, THE TRACK LOADER OR $25,000 IS TO WATER, UH, INTO YEAR ONE OF TWO IN THERE, SPLITTING THAT WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          IS THAT THE SAME ONE WE SAW? YEAH, IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT THROUGH FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT. 
          YOU SEE IT IN ALL DEPARTMENTS. 
          ONE QUESTION I HAD ABOUT THAT, I MEAN, LOOKING AT OUR PAVING PLAN, AND I'M LOOKING AT OUR WATERLINE UPGRADES, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA UPGRADE THE WATER LINES ON LIBERTY AVENUE FROM WEST MAIN CHRYSLER. 
          THEY DON'T NEED UPGRADE. 
          WE'RE GONNA PAVE UP OBJECT. 
          HOW DO WE DETERMINE, DETERMINE THAT THE WATER LINES DON'T NEED UPGRADE? WE HAVE HISTORIC INFORMATION. 
          AM I CORRECT ON THIS, ROBBIE? HOW OLD IT IS? YOU KNOW, LIKE, AND THE CONDITION OF IT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND WE TRY TO DO LIKE ALL THE TRANS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF BREAKS AND PRIORITIZING ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY BREAKS WE'VE HAD AND THE AGE OF IT. 
          WE HAVE SOME MAPS STREET AND I'M HAVE GONNA GO BY EXACTLY AND PLACE THE WATER LINE. 
          UM, BUT YOU FIGURE WATER LINE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS A LOT LONGER THAN A HAVENING. 
          I MEAN, LOOK AT THE ONES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DAY LEAVING THE PLANT. 
          , . 
          SO I'M NOT, BUT I, I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED IT, BUT WHAT I'M NOT SEEING IS, AND, AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN DISCUSS IT RIGHT NOW FOR SURE, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DISCUSS WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE FOR THE SECONDARY WATER SOURCE AND ARE THERE EXPENSES THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING FOR THE BUDGET FOR THAT? YEAH, I'M THE ONE THAT DROPPED THE BALL ON THAT, SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          BUT YES, MY GOAL IS IS TO GET THAT BACK, UH, UH, UH, HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT, UH, HERE, UH, BY MAY. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          BUT THAT IS ON ME. 
          AND YOU THINK MONEY, WILL THERE BE SOME MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH IT? YES, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          AND WE HAVE AN UPDATE COMING UP ON A FUTURE WORK SESSION FROM OUR LAST CONVERSATION WITH THE CONSULTANT, RIGHT? NO, WE, WE HAVE FOUR OPTIONS THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION, I BELIEVE. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION AND I'LL, I'LL BE SENDING OUT SOME INFORMATION ON THAT. 
          BUT I THINK FOR MELISSA'S, I WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, IS THAT HAVE WE PUT ANY MONEY IN THE BUDGET OR MAYBE ADDRESSING THOSE FOUR THINGS OR ADDRESSING THOSE THINGS? SO MY GOAL IS TO HAVE THE MONEY AND FIND THE MONEY IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET OKAY. 
          TO START MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. 
          SO, GREAT. 
          UM, YEAH, I'VE ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT I JUST, WE, SO YEAH, I NEED TO CIRCLE BACK AROUND COUNCILS AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          HE SAID THIS CURRENT BUDGET THOUGH, YOU MEANS RIGHT NOW, NOW IN THE END JUNE. 
          NOW IN JUNE 30TH. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU MEANT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE IDEA TO TRY TO GET TO IT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD QUESTION THOUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SEWER EXPENDITURE HIGHLIGHTS. 
          UH, WE HAVE A JET PUMP FOR $50,000. 
          UH, UPDATE THE SEWER MODEL, UH, $150,000. 
          THAT'S THE HYDRAULIC STUDY. 
          SO I HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE EVERYTHING'S GOING. 
          UH, CAMERA EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, UM, $60,000, YEAR ONE OF TWO. 
          UM, I AND I ABATEMENT TWO, UH, $250,000. 
          WE DID SPEND A LOT OF MONEY IN. 
          I AND I ABATEMENT. 
          UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET OUT OF THE CONSENT ORDER HERE SOON. 
          UH, BUT WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. 
          UM, AND $250,000 IS, IT WILL BASICALLY HELP US MAINTAIN. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO GET A LOT OF PROGRESS, BUT, UH, WE'VE DEFINITELY MADE A LOT OF STRIDES ON THAT. 
          OUR DEBT SERVICE ON OUR VAC TRUCK, 77,800, YEAR TWO OF SEVEN. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE TRACK LOADER AGAIN FOR THE SEWER SIDE. 
          UH, WATER SEWER DEBT SERVICE. 
          SO, UM, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN UPGRADE IS ROUGHLY 1.9 MILLION THAT ENDS IN 2037. 
          THAT'S OUR 0% FINANCING. 
          UH, WATER PLAN UPGRADES FOR 761,000, UH, ACTUALLY ENDS IN 2026. 
          SO WE'LL ACTUALLY PICK UP THAT REVENUE, UH, IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS. 
          UM, OR PICK UP THE, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO USE THAT FOR OTHER, THE OTHER EXPENDITURES. 
          UH, THE WATER PLAN UPGRADE, UH, FOR $203,000. 
          THAT DEBT SERVICE ENDS IN 2034. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE SOME NEW WATER SEWER DEBT SERVICE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, AND, UH, I'VE KIND 
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OF HIGHLIGHTED THE AMOUNT OF, UH, THAT'S IN SEWER AND THE AMOUNT THAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN WATER, UH, FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          $206,000 FOR SEWER, $193,000 FOR WATER. 
          THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO, UH, IS FOR THE, UH, UNDER SEWER, UH, THE RIVERTON SEWER PUMP STATION. 
          THAT'S $1.2 MILLION. 
          UM, ROBBIE, THAT, THAT FEEDS EVERYTHING OUT IN THE CORRIDOR, RIGHT? RIVERTON, EVERYTHING GOES TO CROOKED RUN, CROOKED GUN, CROOKED RUN GOES TO RIVERTON, ALL BISCO CITY AND DUCK STREET GOES TO RIVERTON. 
          SO IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S A, IT'S A BIG AREA. 
          SO, UH, THOSE ARE 82, 19 82. 
          THOSE PUMPS. 
          SO GENERATOR AND ALL THAT. 
          THEY'RE NOT MADE ANYMORE. 
          PROBABLY NOT. 
          I KNOW THE GENERATOR RELEASED IT. 
          UH, THE COMPANY WENT A BUSINESS IN 84  RIGHT AFTER THEY SOLD IT TO US. 
          RIGHT. 
          THINK NAPA CAN CROSS THE PARTS. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, CENTRIFUGE, UH, ESTIMATE OF 4.1 MILLION. 
          UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE, I REALLY WANNA GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE THAT'LL HELP US ON OUR EFFICIENCIES. 
          UH, THE WATER PROJECTS, WE HAVE THE CLEARWELL, UH, REPAIRS ESTIMATED AT 1.5 MILLION, UH, FOUR H WATER, UH, PUMP STATION UPGRADES ESTIMATE 1.2 MILLION. 
          AND JAMESTOWN WATER PUMP STATION UPGRADES 0.1 MILLION. 
          UM, YOU WILL SEE ME COMING BACK TO COUNSEL WITH A TASK ORDER FOR THOSE. 
          UM, FOUR HI BELIEVE WAS WHAT IN THE EIGHTIES PUT IN. 
          AND JAMESTOWN WAS A LITTLE BIT AFTER THAT, RIGHT. 
          . 
          UM, BUT, UH, THE CAPACITY OF JAMESTOWN IS, UH, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE'RE, UH, LOOKING FOR FOR THAT. 
          BUT WHAT I WAS SAYING IS, IS I'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL WITH THE TASK ORDER TO KEEP THOSE PROJECTS MOVING FOR THE ENGINEERING. 
          UH, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, UH, SET ASIDE FOR THE FINAL ENGINEERING AND KIND OF KEEP THOSE MOVING. 
          UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, UH, THE TOWN IS APPLYING FOR THE VIRGINIA ESTATE REVOLVING FUNDS, UH, FOR THE PROJECT. 
          WE'RE ANTICIPATING A 20 YEAR TERM. 
          UH, WE CAN GET ANYWHERE FROM HOPEFULLY 0.5%, 3% FINANCING. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR THOSE SEPARATELY. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE ME COME BACK THAT TO COUNCIL WITH WATER PROJECTS. 
          AND THEN SEWER PROJECTS ARE SEPARATE, I THINK, UH, WATER, UH, APPLICATIONS HERE IN APRIL. 
          AND I THINK SEWER IS JULY, I THINK. 
          AND THESE WERE ALL PART OF COUNCIL'S, UM, TOP THREE PRIORITIES FROM THE LAST TWO COUNCIL RETREATS THAT WE'VE HAD. 
          SO I DON'T SEE THIS BEING AN ISSUE. 
          YES. 
          AND YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          HALF A PERCENT FINANCE. 
          THAT'D BE GOOD. 
          WILL THAT CATCH US UP? I MEAN, WHEN KNEW, UH, WHEN WE HAD THE WATER SEWER PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THE DEFICIENCIES, LIKE AT THE RIVERTON AND HAPPY CREEK. 
          I MEAN IT'S THIS, THIS WILL HELP OUT TREMENDOUSLY. 
          UM, IT WON'T HELP OUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THERE'S STILL GONNA BE CERTAIN AREAS AROUND, BUT THIS WILL BE A, A HUGE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          UH, SOLID WASTE. 
          UH, WE HAVE BRUSH ROUNDING SERVICES, UH, FOR $50,000. 
          THE CAMERON GPS MAINTENANCE FEE, $6,000. 
          HERE'S THE TRACK LOADER AGAIN. 
           TRACK LOADER, AGAIN FOR $50,000. 
          THAT IS THE, UM, SOLID WASTE PORTION. 
          UH, REPLACING SOME DUMPSTERS FOR 30,000. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE'RE STARTING TO SET MONEY ASIDE FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF, UH, UH, SOME TRASH TRUCKS. 
          UH, 2008 INTERNATIONAL FOR $130,000. 
          THAT'LL BE YEAR TWO OF TWO. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS FOR THAT. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, 2012 INTERNATIONAL FOR $80,000 A YEAR OF ONE OF THREE. 
          AND WE, WHAT IS THE BRUSH GROUNDING SERVICE? UH, SO, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE STUMPS THE, UH, BRUSH THAT WE'RE TAKING OFF A TREE. 
          WE HAVE 'EM COME IN AND THEY CREATE MULCH AND WE USE THE MULCH. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE THE, UH, BIG GRINDER UP ON THE FARM ANYMORE. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE THE GRINDER STILL. 
          WE'RE GETTING READY TO SELL THAT. 
          UH, IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, IT SEEMS MORE FEASIBLE FOR US TO USE THE SERVICE FOR IT. 
          UH, RATHER THAN KEEP, UH, I THINK THAT MACHINE ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS, UH, AN LOTS ANSWERED TO EVERYTHING. 
          WE'RE GONNA GRIND OUT. 
          WE'RE GONNA MAKE MONEY ON THAT. 
          THESE TWO ACROSS THE STREET. 
          DON, WHAT WAS THAT 1.2 MILLION? IS THAT WHAT WE LOOKED AT FOR REPLACING THAT MACHINE? IT WAS. 
          THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. 
          IT WAS, YEAH. 
          SO, UH, SO ARE THOSE THE TREES, SOME THINGS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT THINGS THAT WE AS THE TOWN REMOVED OR ARE CITIZENS FOR THE PICKUP TOO? WELL, THE, UH, THE CITIZENS CAN TAKE, UH, BRUSH UP THEIR TOO, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IN ANY OF THOSE, UH, WHAT WE PICK UP, THE CITIZENS TAKE IT UP THERE AND THEN WE GRIND IT UP AND CITIZENS CAN GO PICK IT UP FOR FREE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE MULCH. 
          YEAH, THE MULCH. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          I KNEW THAT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH. 
          SO IF WE, IF THEY DIDN'T DROP IT OFF AT THE MONASAS AVENUE WHERE, WHERE THERE ISN'T IN A PLACE, THEY CAN DROP IT OFF VILLE. 
          OKAY. 
          A LOT. 
          DO THEY, DO THEY PROVIDE FREE MULCH THERE TOO? I THINK THEY DO. 
          THEY DO. 
          YEAH. 
          DO THEY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
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OKAY. 
          BUT YEAH, OUR GOAL IS TO, UM, UH, TO SELL THE TOUGH GROUND. 
          SO THEY COME IN AND GRIND IT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY EMPLOYEES AT ALL. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND UH, UH, THEY DID A FABULOUS JOB HERE FOR US. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          UH, 'CAUSE WE WANTED TO TEST AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS SERVICE WAS GONNA WORK OUT. 
          WE HAD INCLUDED IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET, UM, THE SERVICE HAND OUT VERY WELL FOR US. 
          UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, PROCURE, UH, CONTRACT WITH ONGOING SERVICES. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          SO BACK TO OUR NEXT STEPS, , THE, UH, SO WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR THIS EVENING IS, UH, FOR DIRECTIONAL AND ADVERTISING FOR THE PERSONAL PROPERTY AND REAL ESTATE TAX RATES. 
          UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, GOES ALONG WITH THE, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET IS TO, UM, ADVERTISE FOR EQUALIZATION OF REAL ESTATE TAX RATE AT 6.7, UH, 6.70 CENTS PER $100 FOR REAL ESTATE. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, PERSONAL PROPERTY REMAIN THE SAME WITH A 1% INCREASE FOR THE, UM, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF, UH, WHICH WOULD BENEFIT THE CITIZENS. 
          CAN YOU TAKE US BACK TO THE CHART FOR THOSE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          THOSE PLEASE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WELL, I GUESS I COULD HAVE LOOKED BACK TO, UH, THE, UH, OH, YEAH, SORRY. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          THERE YOU, HERE WE GO. 
          THAT ONE, SO STAFF'S PROPOSED REQUEST IS THE 0.67. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN THE, UH, BUDGET. 
          UH, WE CAN DO THE 0.68 WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ANYTHING SPECIAL CONSIDERED EQUAL. 
          YES. 
          IT'S STILL CONSIDERED EQUALIZATION. 
          UH, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. 
          UM, OR WE COULD ADVERTISE FOR, UH, IF WE GO, UH, TO THE LEFT OF THE GREEN LINE, WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TAKE OUT, UM, TO THE RIGHT WE CAN YEAH. 
          ADD A WHOLE BUNCH OF 15,000 . 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID. 
          15 THOUSAND'S, NOT GONNA YEAH. 
          THAT WOULDN, YOU PROBABLY PAID FOR ONE DEPARTMENT HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE WITH IT. 
          NOT EVEN THAT GIVES ME HEARTBURN. 
          IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING YOU'RE SAYING THAT HE'S ASKING YOU NEED TO KNOW TONIGHT. 
          YES. 
          IF WE, WELL, REALLY NOT NECESSARILY WHAT, JUST TO ADVERTISE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE CAN, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT STAFF, WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY, IF THEY'RE GONNA GO ANYTHING ABOVE THE 1%, WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE TO A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, WE'RE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARING EITHER WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S A SPECIAL ADVERTISEMENT THAT WE DO IF WE, IF IT'S CONSIDERED A TAX INCREASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF WE GO ANYTHING ABOVE THE, UH, 0.068, WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE AS, AS IT BEING A TAX INCREASE. 
          UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, THE ACTUAL, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING FOR VOTING, UH, WE CAN ALWAYS COME DOWN. 
          WE CANNOT GO UP FROM WHAT WE ADVERTISE FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT PART I KNEW, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          BUT IT HAS TO, WE NEED TO KNOW TONIGHT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE ON THE 28TH. 
          WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE. 
          WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO ADVERTISE . 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          AND WE CAN'T GO UP FROM WHENEVER WE ADVERTISE. 
          CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO YOU DO KINDA HAVE TO PICK A NUMBER TONIGHT THAT YOU WON'T GO ABOVE THAT YOU WON'T, YOU DON'T WANNA GO ABOVE. 
          YOU CAN GO BELOW, BUT YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE. 
          CORRECT. 
          I'M GOING TO SAY IT. 
          I WOULDN'T GO ABOVE 0.68, WHICH PAINS ME TO SAY, BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE MORE MONEY. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE FUND FREDA TO MAKE SOME EXACTLY. 
          MONEY. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE NEEDS WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED TONIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF WE WANT TO. 
          BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE BETWEEN THE CURRENT ECONOMY, THE INCREASED ASSESSMENTS, NOT ONLY ON REAL ESTATE, BUT PERSONAL PROPERTY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE HERE, WHERE THE PROPERTY WENT DOWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE VALUES , BUT THE VALUES WENT UP. 
          RIGHT. 
          PROFESSIONAL REMAIN THE SAME. 
          YEAH. 
          MY VALUE WENT UP, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          BUT THE RATE STAYED THE SAME. 
          SO I'M STILL PAYING MORE. 
          I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE WHO ARE ON A FIXED INCOME CAN AFFORD TO PAY MORE, EVEN THOUGH WE NEED MORE MONEY. 
          IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BURDEN OF TAXPAYERS BACK. 
          UH, WELL, AND I GO BACK TO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID. 
          WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND YOU BREAK IT OUT ON THE AVERAGE, AND, AND YOU SAY, WELL, ON A YEAR IT'S THIS. 
          AND IF YOU BREAK IT DOWN BY MONTH THREE TO $5, UM, AGAIN, UH, IF YOU GAVE UP, YOU KNOW, LUNCH AT MCDONALD'S ONE DAY, UM, AGAIN, THERE ARE JUST A LOT OF NEEDS. 
          WE'VE ALL ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE'VE SET ASIDE MONEY FOR SOME THINGS, BUT OTHER THINGS GO WITHOUT FUNDING. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SET GOALS LAST YEAR AND AGAIN, WITH A, A FLAT TAX RATE. 
          UM, 
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THE NICE THINGS THAT WE DID, WE WERE ABLE TO DO. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS REALLY NO COST ASSOCIATED TO IT. 
          BUT, UM, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT COUNCIL'S VISION IS, AND IT'S JUST ALL THE LINE, IT'S OVER THE LINE. 
          BUT, UM, THE MAYOR DID SAY THAT AT THE HIGHEST TIER, IT'S 125 ANNUALLY, ROUGHLY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I AGREE WITH THE ONE MCDONALD'S MEAL OR ONE COFFEE FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE STILL ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES HERE IN WARREN COUNTY WHO CAN'T AFFORD MCDONALD'S OR STARBUCKS. 
          SO THAT'S ALREADY NOT AN OPTION TO CUT OUT FOR THEM. 
          AND WE HAVE PEOPLE NOW THAT CAN, ARE STRUGGLING TO PAY WHAT IT IS TODAY, WHAT IT IS NOW. 
          I MEAN, WE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE RIGHT WHEN YOU GOT, YOU GO DOWN THERE AND I MEAN, I, I WENT, WHEN I WENT TO THE, WHEN I WALKED DOWN THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE TO THE GOVERNMENT CENTER, I MEAN, THERE WERE PEOPLE LINED UP FOR THEIR ASSESSMENT HEARINGS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, EITHER CORRECT SOMETHING OR JUST SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, AND I HEARD, I HEARD, I HEARD. 
          I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE HOW THEY SET IT UP DOWN THERE, I DON'T THINK. 
          I THINK IT'S, YOU'RE TALKING, YOU'RE HEARING PER PEOPLE. 
          I WAS SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO A GUY AND I WAS HEARING HIS PERSONAL INFORMATION. 
          IT IS A, I DON'T, AGAIN, IT'S A SEPARATE CONVERSATION, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOWN THERE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TREATED LIKE A NUMBER BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH NUMBERS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I, WHAT DO THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO LIE ABOUT? YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THE GUY WAS LITERALLY SPILLING HIS GUTS SAYING, YOU KNOW, HEY, I DON'T WANNA FIXED INCOME. 
          I, I, THAT'S ALL I CAN DO TO AFFORD, WHAT, WHAT MORE CAN I CAN CUT TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, AND OR PAY FOR THIS, YOU KNOW? AND HE SAID, I COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, AND HE'S RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I'VE SEEN AN ASSESSMENT IN MY HOUSE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ELSE ON THE COUNCIL FEELS, BUT I PERSONALLY WOULD, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO PAY FOR WHAT MY, NOW IT'S STILL UNDER MARKET VALUE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S STILL THE CASE, BUT MINE NOT. 
          I HAD AN APPRAISAL ON IN MINE, CAME OVER IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I MEAN, BUT AGAIN, BUT I WOULD, FOR WHAT THE MARKET'S LIKE IS NOT, I, I, I WOULD BE VERY, I SELL IT TO THE COUNTY FOR WHAT THEY THINK YOU ARE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          I, BUT THAT'S WHAT I TOLD. 
          UM, YOU AFRAID, YOU KNOW, BUT A LOT OF FOLKS NOW, I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T STUPID RIGHT AT THIS TABLE, BUT I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS THE LAST COUPLE DAYS ARE JUST TOOK A HECK OF A HIT. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY MONEY IN THE, OUT THERE IN YOUR OWN POCKET, SO, WELL, IT IS GONNA GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER. 
          I THINK IT'S GONNA GET BETTER IN THE LONG RUN, DON'T GET ME WRONG. 
          BUT, UM, INCREASING ANYTHING NOW BY ANY AMOUNT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          I, I WAS GETTING READY TO, SO, UM, I, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR YOU ALL. 
          I'M ASKING, SO, UH, COUNCIL, YEAH. 
          UH, VICE MAYOR AL SAID SHE WOULD NOT WANNA GO ANYTHING ABOVE 1%. 
          COUNCILMAN INGRAM. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE? I I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR YOU. 
          I'M JUST ASKING, ARE YOU SAYING YOU WOULDN'T WANNA GO ANYTHING ABOVE THE 1%? I WOULD, I WOULD SELECT LEAVE IT AS PROPOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYTHING ELSE, KEEP IN MIND I'D LOVE TO, BUT THERE'S A DEFICIT. 
          KEEP IT AS THE PROPOSED GONNA BRING IN LESS. 
          SO WE'RE SUBSIDIZING SOMETHING. 
          WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TAKE OFF 12,000 OFF SOMEWHERE. 
          UM, BUT, BUT I HEAR YOU. 
          WHAT? IT'S WHATEVER YOU I'M, I'M JUST WANNA 'CAUSE IT, AND I'M NOT RUSHING ANYBODY, BUT IT'S NINE O'CLOCK WHEN WE'RE ON ITEM THREE. 
          RIGHT? SO DO, OH GOD. 
          DON'T SAY THAT. 
          NO. 
          'CAUSE ONE WAS ROLL CALL . 
          ALL RIGHT, YOU GOT ME. 
          GOT COUNCILMAN. 
          SEE, LIKE WE'RE THINK THAT YOU, I'M SORRY. 
          LEAVE IT THE SAME. 
          YOU WANT TO BE AT THE PROPOSED OR THE 1% PROPOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          AT THE PROPOSED. 
          SO TAKE A LOSS, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A 12,000 LOSS. 
          I'M JUST ASKING THAT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE, THE PROPOSED LEAVE IT AT THE SAME, I THINK IT NEEDS TO STAY. 
          OKAY. 
          1%. 
          OKAY. 
          I I, I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT AN ADVOCATE FOR A TAX INCREASES, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE, I MEAN, WE COULD DO SOMETHING WITH THE 69,000 AND THAT WOULD, IF YOU TOOK IT TO 0.070, AND THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT A $12 A YEAR DIFFERENCE. 
          SO THERE COULD BE A LOT, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE TIGHT. 
          THIS BUDGET IS, IS TIGHT. 
          EVERYBODY'S WHOLE BUDGET IS TIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND, AND, UH, I WOULDN'T WORRY TOO MUCH. 
          UH, HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT THE, THE STOCK MARKET WILL COME BACK AT AT SOME POINT. 
          IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO, AND I'M AN OPTIMIST. 
          UH, SO, UH, I'M GONNA BE THE, THE OUTSIDER. 
          AND, UH, AND I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, ADVERTISING IF IT HAS TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING TO 0.07 TO GET THAT 69,000. 
          BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GONNA FIND THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED, 
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WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT. 
          AND THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE. 
          YOU SEE THE JUMP, THE JUMP IS FROM 15,000 TO 69. 
          UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF $8 FOR THE, IF YOU GO FROM THE 68 TO 70. 
          ANYWAY. 
          SO I HEARD, UH, COUNCILOR RAPPAPORT SHARED HIS THOUGHT. 
          YES. 
          COUNCIL WOOD, YOU SAID 1%, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I I PROBABLY THROW IN WITH BRUCE BECAUSE I, I, I, I TOO WORRY THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A YEAR THAT I THINK WE'RE BEING OVERLY OPTIMISTIC WITH SOME OF OUR, UH, PROJECTIONS. 
          I DON'T THINK THE ECONOMY'S GONNA BE ALL THAT GREAT THIS YEAR. 
          I, I WOULD CHANGE MINE TO 0.07, BUT IT'S, IF $69,000 SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IF WE RUN INTO A, A HOLE ANYWHERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CREATED ANY KIND OF CUSHION. 
          BEFORE YOU GIVE YOUR ANSWER, CAN I JUST FINISH? YEAH. 
          WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, I THE ONLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING WITH $69,000. 
          YOU COULD HIRE ONE EMPLOYEE. 
          MY PROBLEM IS THAT WE'RE NOT JUST INCREASING THE TAXES, WE'RE INCREASING THE ELECTRICITY RATES, WE'RE INCREASING THE WATER RATES, WE'RE INCREASING THE SEWER RATES, AND WE JUST INCREASE THE SOLID WASTE RATES. 
          SO WHEN WE SAY THINGS LIKE, IT'S ONLY $11, IT'S ONLY $8, WE INCREASE EVERYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST THIS. 
          AND THE HOPE BEHIND INCREASING THOSE OTHER SERVICES IS TO GET OUT OF A DEFICIT AND QUIT SUBSIDIZING THOSE SO MUCH. 
          SO THEREFORE, WHILE WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY FINDING MONEY, WE ARE MAKING UP THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE WERE LOSING IN SOME OF THOSE SERVICES. 
          OH NO, I DID NOT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS LIKE, IS HE TRYING TO MAKE A POINT? NO, I'M NOT . 
          SO THAT WAS MY ONLY THOUGHT IS IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ONLY INCREASING THIS. 
          WE'RE INCREASING EVERYTHING. 
          WHICH, BUT AREN'T WE MANDATED TO INCREASE TO COVER OUR COSTS WITH THE ENTERPRISES FOR TRASH? NO. 
          WE COULD HAVE CONTINUED TO SUBSIDIZE IT. 
          WE HAD THE OPTION, WE GAVE, WE GAVE STAFF THE DIRECTION ON WHETHER WE WANTED TO SUBSIDIZE IT OR INCREASE IT, AND WE INCREASED IT. 
          WELL, AND I THINK THAT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION. 
          I DO TOO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT, THIS, THIS ISN'T THE ONLY THING. 
          WE WE'RE COMING BACK TO DO ELECTRIC GRAPES, WHICH WE HAVE FANTASTIC ELECTRIC GRAPES. 
          WE HAVE A VERY UNIQUE SYSTEM HERE IN FRONT ROYAL, WHERE WE HAVE OUR OWN ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT, BUT, AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST ELECTRIC GRAPES. 
          YEAH. 
          IN THE STATE ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU COMPARE IT. 
          BUT, BUT THAT'S WHY PEOPLE LIVE HERE. 
          THAT'S WHY PEOPLE STAY HERE. 
          AND THAT'S, IF YOU LOOK, PEOPLE ARE STILL COMING HERE AND BUILDING, AND PEOPLE ARE STILL MOVING HERE IN DROVES. 
          AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD TO RAISE A FAMILY HERE. 
          AND WE DON'T WANT TO PRICE PEOPLE WHO ARE BORN AND RAISED HERE OUT OF BEING ABLE TO LIVE HERE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          WHEN WILL THE, UM, WHEN WILL, WHEN IS THE FINAL DATE ON ALL THE ASSESSMENTS? WHEN ARE THEY GONNA BE LIKE, WHAT'S THE DATE ON, LIKE, 'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL GETTING THEIR, THEIR NOTIFICATIONS. 
          I HAVEN'T GOTTEN MINE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I, IT WAS MY UNDER. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S WHAT I, LISTEN WHEN YOU SAY I SAID THAT, LIKE, I JUST READ THAT I DIDN'T LIKE NOBODY IN NO, I MEAN NOBODY OF, NOBODY OF AUTHORITY. 
          SHE GOT. 
          I DIDN'T GET THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEY'RE COMING IN. 
          BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THE LINK ON THE WEBSITE THAT, THAT INFORMATION IS THAT IT'S BEEN UPDATED, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY. 
          IT'S A FRIDAY. 
          MINE HADN'T. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I KNOW OVER THE WEEKEND I WAS TELLING SOME FAMILY TO, IF YOU DIDN'T GET IT IN THE, BECAUSE THEY, LIKE, IF YOU OWN TWO OR THREE PROPERTIES, WELL, I GOT IT FOR THIS ONE, BUT I DIDN'T GET IT FOR THAT ONE. 
          SO ANYWAY, SO YOU, SO IN OTHER WORDS, I KNOW THAT BJ THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WAS PRETTY RECENT. 
          I WAS JUST CONCERNED THAT, THAT THAT 11,000 COULD LIKE BLOSSOM BECAUSE OF ALL THE, YOU KNOW, WE DONE ASSESSMENTS. 
          IT SHOULDN'T CHANGE DRASTICALLY. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UM, I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE DOING ONE, UH, ONE PROPERTY, I MEAN, IT MIGHT CHANGE BY A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A DRASTIC CHANGE FOR US. 
          OUR TAX RATE IS MUCH LOWER THAN WARREN COUNTY'S. 
          SO, I MEAN, YOU SEE THE TOTAL TAX BILL ITSELF IS $266. 
          AND IF YOU REDUCE THAT, YEAH. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A DRASTIC CHANGE FOR US AS FAR AS THE ASSESSMENT. 
          UM, UM, I'M GONNA STAY WITH THE 1%, 1% INCREASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK YOU GOT YOUR, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE, WELL, IT WAS FOUR PEOPLE THAT SAID, WELL, NO, ACTUALLY I, THERE WAS TWO PEOPLE THAT SAID ME, THAT JOSH SAID AFTER YOU PASSED IT, WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I SAID 1%. 
          I I, SO WE'RE GONNA ADVERTISE FOR 1%. 
          WELL, WE HAVE THREE CONFIRMED. 
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WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S ALMOST CONSIDERED EQUALIZATION. 
          IT'S CONSIDERED EQUALIZATION. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          IT'S CONSIDERED IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT A TAX INCREASE. 
          NO, NO. 
          IT IS NOT CONSIDERED TAX INCREASE. 
          AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, LIKE SHE SAID, IF PEOPLE GO BACK TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION AND, YOU KNOW, AND GET ANYTHING CHANGED, IT COULD ACTUALLY GO DOWN FROM THAT. 
          I MEAN, NOT THAT THE 1% WON'T GO DOWN, BUT I'M SAYING IT MIGHT NOT BE 15,000. 
          IT MIGHT BE, WELL, OR IT COULD BE NEGATIVE. 
          SO WE'LL ADVERTISE FOR 0.68 OR 0.0 6.8%. 
          GOOD LORD. 
          SO TIRED. 
          I CAN'T THINK. 
          STRAIGHT . 
          6.80 CENTS, UH, PER $100 ON REAL ESTATE. 
          AND THEN ARE WE OKAY WITH PERSONAL PROPERTY, UH, REMAINING THE SAME WITH STATUTE RECOMMENDATION, 64 CENTS PER $100 AND UM, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          IT REMAINS THE SAME. 
          WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE OUR DIRECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          BJ? YES. 
          OR MR. WILSON? SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          IT'S ALL GOOD. 
          I'M WAY CASUAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, THANK FOR ALL YOUR WORK. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THAT I NEED TO THANK, I KNOW THAT. 
          NO, I KNOW. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I'M SAYING YOU, AND I'M ASSUMING YOU WILL SHARE FOR THOSE THAT ARE HERE, ALTHOUGH A LOT OF DARKNESS, ANY STAFF THAT'S HERE KNOW ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA. 
          HOPE SO, . 
          YEAH. 
          I KNOW THAT YOU WERE DOING THIS, YOU WERE DOING THIS AND DOING THE ENTERING ACCOUNT MANAGER CLUB. 
          YOU HAD LOTS OF, YOU'VE BEEN WEARING LOTS OF HATS FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS. 
          SO, UM, I APPRECIATE, UM, APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE SO VERY NO, THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. 
          YEP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO ONE OF NEW BUSINESS, AND I WAS RIGHT, THIS IS FOUR. 
          WE WERE ON THREE. 
          SORRY, I ONE WAS WRONG. 
          THAT WAS REALLY ALL RIGHT. 
          SO ESPECIALLY PERMIT SUBMITTED BY HERITAGE HALL FOR EXPANSION OF 20 BEDS AND ASSOCIATED FACILITIES. 
          AND THAT IT SAYS LAUREN. 
          BUT, UM, JOHN, YOU GOT STUCK WITH US AGAIN. 
          HITTING A LITTLE BIT. 
          SAVING FOR, YEAH, SHE KEEPS, I THINK BJ'S GOT THE COLLECTOR. 
          OH, I DIDN'T STEAL THE, I'M SORRY. 
          I JUST, I APOLOGIZE. 
          YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK? YOU READY TO DIVE INTO THIS? I WANNA 10 AFTER NINE. 
          WE BETTER GO FAST. 
          WE WON'T BE HOME. 
          GO BREAK. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL. 
          SO YOU GOT A REQUEST FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, PERMIT NUMBER 25 0 0 0 4 9. 
          UH, IS THAT THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA? IT IS A, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, HERITAGE TALL. 
          ALS FOUR A, UH, FOUR A. 
          DO YOU WANNA JUMP TO FOUR B AND BACK FOUR A? WE HAD THAT IN ORDER. 
          OKAY. 
          CHARLES, YOU HAVE THE WRONG, UH, DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WELL, IT'S JUST, WE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT? SERIOUSLY, I DON'T WANNA SPEND THE TIME TIME GOING BACK. 
          WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO IN AND DO THAT ONE AND WE'LL DO FOUR B AND THEN CHARLES AND BE LOOKING. 
          I LOOKED AT IT IN AN EMAIL TO YOU, CHARLES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GO AHEAD AND DO THIS ONE. 
          AND, AND, AND THEN WE WILL. 
          HE, WE FIND THE, WELL, THIS ONE HAS A LOT OF CHANGES TO IT. 
          OH, LORD. 
          OKAY. 
          OR SUE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU SENT AN EMAIL, A REVISED? YEAH, THERE'S A REVISED ONE. 
          CHARLES. 
          UH, ONE SECOND. 
          SO WHAT WE DOING FIRST? WE SHOULD BE DOING A FIRST. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I ALREADY MARKED IT OUT. 
          I'LL REWRITE IT. 
          I THINK HE'S TRYING TO FIND IT. 
          SO WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR AGENDA PACKET IS ACTUALLY FOUR A. 
          THEY'RE GONNA, HE'S BRINGING UP FOUR A. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          INHERIT CHILD, HERITAGE CHILD. 
          I, I, WELL, I, I'M JUST EXPANSION OF THE WELL, WHAT WE HAVE, IS IT CORRECT IN OUR POCKET? POCKET? RIGHT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WELL WAIT A MINUTE. 
          I, JOSH, YOU SAYING ABOUT BEING REVISED? NO, I DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          OKAY. 
          IT IS GOOD OR NOT GOOD? WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PACKET. 
          YOUR PACKETS ARE FINE. 
          IT'S THE PRESENTATION. 
          YEAH, PRESENTATION. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I HAVE FROM YOU, JOHN. 
          YEAH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE IT IN OUR PACKET. 
          GO AHEAD THROUGH THE PACKET. 
          DO YOU HAVE IT IN OUR PACKET? DO YOU HAVE, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, I WAS GONNA SAY NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          I WOULDN'T USE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S TOO, THAT'S FINE'S TOO. 
          UH, PUBLIC. 
          PUBLIC ANYWAY. 
          SO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ONE THAT WAS SENT TO YOU IN AN EMAIL. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          THREE 19 TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE, WE CAN CHANGE GEARS. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          [02:10:07]
ARE YOU READY, CHARLES? WHICH ONE DO YOU WANNA GO TO? A UH, HERITAGE TALL AIR TOAL, PLEASE. 
          SOCIAL USE PERMIT. 
          MAYBE IT'S ONE OF THE DIFFERENT THAT'S NOT ON, YOU DON'T SEE IT ON HERE. 
          IT IT, IT'S FINE. 
          HERE, JUST PULL UP THE SCREEN. 
          IT'S AT THE BOTTOM. 
          'CAUSE THIS PRESENTATION WAS REVISED. 
          SO IT'S AT THE BOTTOM. 
          IT'S AT THE SECOND ITEM ON HERE. 
          IS THIS A SMART BOARD? BECAUSE I CAN, NO, I CAN DRAG THAT DOWN. 
          YOU CAN DO WE'LL. 
          FINE. 
          WE'LL, WE WILL WORK THROUGH THIS. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO TO HERITAGE HALL. 
          THAT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          25 0 0. 
          WHAT HAPPENED? THAT DIDN'T WORK LAST WEEK. 
          REMEMBER YOU HAD TO CLICK THROUGH IT FOR ME. 
          IT'S WORKING NOW THOUGH. 
          HE'S CLICKING IT. 
          GET STARTED HERE. 
          54. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          HERITAGE HALL. 
          UH, SO THAT, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS FOR A NURSING HOME. 
          UH, SO THE HISTORY BEHIND THAT, UH, PROPERTY IS, UH, FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          UM, IN, UH, THEY, UH, UH, TOWN COUNCIL APPROVED A NURSING HOME, UH, IN SEPTEMBER OF 85. 
          MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT. 
          THEY APPROVED A BUILDING PERMIT IN 86 AND, OR IN 85, AND IN JANUARY OF 86 APPROVED A ZONING PERMIT. 
          BUT HOWEVER, UH, COUNSEL NEVER APPROVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO HE APPROVED EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO THE HERITAGE HALL WAS CONSTRUCTED. 
          UH, SO NOW, UH, SO THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO THEY'RE NEEDING TO DO AN EXPANSION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING. 
          SO IT'S AN EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING, UH, USE. 
          SO THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON S INN PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS, UH, THEY, UM, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO IF YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S AT 400 WEST FROSTBURG ROAD, THERE'S A VICINITY MAP. 
          UH, THERE'S A AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, SO THEY ARE WANTING TO DO, UH, IF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED, THEY'RE WANTING TO DO AN ADDITION OUT THIS END HERE AND ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING. 
          SO BASICALLY FOR THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IS JUST TRYING TO GET THEM IN COMPLIANCE OF THE USE THAT THEY HAVE THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOW. 
          SO THEY HAVE THE ROOM FOR THE PARKING AT ALL. 
          THEY WILL DO AN EXPANSION ON THE PARKING AND ADD THE ADDITION TO THE BUILDING IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND IT WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION, ALREADY WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          IT DIDN'T HAVE THEIR VOTES IN OUR PACKET. 
          WHEN I PULLED IT UP. 
          WHAT DID IT, WHAT WAS THE RESULTS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING? I THINK THAT WAS, IT WAS UNANIMOUS. 
          YES. 
          I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS TO THE, WITH THE AGENDA. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SORRY. 
          NO, THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, SO YOU CALLED IT AN EXPANSION, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S BRINGING IN THEM TO COMPLIANCE. 
          ARE THEY GETTING 20 MORE BIDS OR IS IT THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE GETTING WHERE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'RE GETTING BOTH. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU, THIS APPLICATION IS JUST TO GRANT THEM THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MM-HMM . 
          FOR THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE BASICALLY GOING BACK AND FIXING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T DONE RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          IS THAT HOW YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          SO NOW IT'S NON-CONFORMING. 
          RIGHT? I GOT YOU. 
          IT WAS GRANTED. 
          SO THAT TO GRANT EXPANSION, THEY NEED TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO THIS WILL ALLOW THEM A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          IF YOU APPROVE IT, THEN THEY CAN COME BACK WITH AN EXPANSION PLAN OF THE BUILDING AND THE PARKING. 
          WELL, IT SAYS IN OUR PACKET, IT'S FOR THE EXPANSION. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I  I'M GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE. 
          I THINK IF THEY, IF THEY REALLY WANNA EXPAND THEIR BEDS, I MEAN, I KNOW THIS IS NOT A POPULAR THING TO SAY, BUT THE NURSING HOMES HERE DON'T RATE HIGH. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNDERSTAFFED. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE SERVICES TO PEOPLE. 
          AND TO ADD 20 MORE RESIDENTS WOULD BE LIKE JUST WAREHOUSING PEOPLE. 
          UNLESS THEY HAVE A PLAN, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THEIR PLAN FOR STAFFING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE STR EVERYTHING. 
          I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING AGAINST THEIR STAFF. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY IS, YOU KNOW, JUST OVERRUN. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, I, IT CONCERNS ME TO HEAR THAT THEY WOULD ADD 20 MORE BEDS WHEN THEY HAVE, WHEN THE NURSING HOME INDUSTRY IS, IS SUFFERING FROM UNDERSTAFFING AND UNDER SERVICE. 
          I WILL SAY I GO TO HERITAGE'S HALL AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. 
          YEAH. 
          I'VE GOT A FAMILY MEMBER THERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PLACE LOOK AS NICE AS THAT ONE. 
          [02:15:01]
AND I HAVE NO, THEY HAVE MORE. 
          THEY'VE GOT STAFF. 
          I MEAN, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. 
          STAFF THEY HAVE AROUND THE BLOCK. 
          I I'VE SEEN DIFFERENT ONES. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          I, I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN A LOT. 
          YOU'RE NOT, THIS IS NOT APPROVING THE ADDITION, BUT THAT'S WHAT OUR AGENDA SAYS. 
          YEAH. 
          OUR AGENDA. 
          SAY THAT. 
          I THINK THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED DOWN THE ROAD. 
          WE CAN ADDRESS ALL THIS DOWN ROAD. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT FOR TONIGHT, YEAH. 
          BECAUSE OUR PACKET SAYS IT'S FOR AN EXPANSION. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO I WHERE UNDERSTAND. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THIS IS FOR THE USE PERMIT. 
          SO THEY CAN COME AND COMPLY WITH WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY GOT BUILT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY CANNOT DO AN EXPANSION WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          THIS IS STEP ONE. 
          AND IF THEY WANT THE EXPANSION, THAT'S STEP TWO. 
          SO STEP ONE IS WHAT THE ACTION WILL BE IN FRONT OF THIS COUNSEL ON APRIL 28TH. 
          IT WOULD BE, AND THEN, AND DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME, IF IT'S, IF THE MOTION PASSES AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK A SEPARATE TIME WITH THE EXPANSION. 
          AND AT THAT TIME, THE COUNCIL WOULD WEIGH IN ON THAT WHEN IT, THEY CAN'T BRING EXPANSION FORWARD IF THEY'RE NOT BROUGHT. 
          NO, I SAID, I SAID I'M DOING HYPOTHETICALS. 
          IF IT WOULD PASS COUNCIL, THE SECOND STEP WOULD BE THEM TO COME TO APPLY FOR AN EXPANSION AND NOT GO A PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE IT WOULD COME TO US. 
          RIGHT. 
          WOULD IT COME TO US? UH, THAT WOULDN'T EVEN COME TO US. 
          THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD GO THROUGH. 
          IT WOULD NOT COME TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WOULD BE, WOULD THAT BE CONFORMING AT THAT POINT? MY QUESTION FOR THE HYPOTHETICAL IS WHAT IF THIS DOESN'T GET APPROVED AND IT DOESN'T GET BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? IT'S JUST A NONCONFORMING USE, BUT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO STAY THERE BECAUSE IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN INFORMATION ON THE APPLICATION. 
          EXPLAINS THAT TO, I CAN'T ACCESS MY BOX. 
          SO I ONLY HAVE WHAT I'VE GOT PAPER. 
          CHARLES COULDN'T EITHER, WE'RE WE'RE TECHNOLOGICALLY ILLITERATE HERE TONIGHT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THE QUESTION BEFORE THIS COUNCIL IS, ARE YOU READY FOR THIS TO COME TO BE ON OUR AGENDA FOR OR 28TH TO TAKE ACTION ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? NOT ABOUT THE EXPANSION, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YOU'RE SAYING THAT ONCE THIS ONCE ACTION IS TAKEN, THEN IT, NOTHING ELSE WOULD COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL. 
          AGAIN, EVERYTHING WOULD GO BEFORE. 
          WELL, AND I'M NOT GONNA KEEP, I MEAN, I'M WITH BE SAYING LIKE, DON'T HAVE HERITAGE HALL. 
          I MEAN, BUT I'M JUST WELL, NO, WELL, YOU CAN'T. 
          I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          IT'S GRAND. 
          HERE'S, I SUGGEST THOUGH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PURPOSES, WE NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS JUST FOR THE USE VERSUS THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN. 
          FIRST WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW IN OUR FORM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN EXPANSION WOULD GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSIONER. 
          IT WOULDN'T COME TO US. 
          AND THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE PLANT COMMISSION TOO, FOR AN EXPANSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL, I'M THINKING JOHN'S SAYING, NO, HE WOULD NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WOULD BE PERFORMING THAT WE SHOULD MORE THAN THEY CAN DO IT. 
          BUT THEN WOULD BE GOING THROUGH BUILDING PLANS AND ALL OTHER STUFF. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT FOR, FOR PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, MAYBE WE JUST REVISE THIS SO THAT IT DOESN'T EVEN MENTION THE PROPOSED ADDITION AT THIS TIME. 
          OR MAYBE YOU CAN JUST BE A NOTE. 
          BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE MOTION, MAKE IT A CONFORMING. 
          MAKE IT A CONFORMING. 
          YEAH. 
          I WILL SAY, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT UNDERSTAFFING AND, UH, THE LESSER QUALITY OF CARE. 
          HOWEVER, MY QUESTION FOR THAT, AS I ALWAYS PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, IS, IS IT OUR JOB AS THE TOWN COUNCIL TO GOVERN THAT? BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT THE DAYCARES, AND IT'S NO SURPRISE, EVERYBODY IN FRONT ROWS, MY DAUGHTER GOT A SKULL FRACTURE IN DAYCARE 10 YEARS AGO THAT SENT US TO CHARLOTTESVILLE FOR 28 DAYS. 
          AND THERE'S NO LAWS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA ON WHAT TYPE OF CERTIFICATIONS OR CAMERAS OR WHATEVER. 
          AND I LOBBIED FOR THAT FOR YEARS. 
          BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE DON'T GOVERN THEIR STAFFING EITHER. 
          AND THEY EVEN USE GOVERNMENT FUNDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUNDS BECAUSE THEY DAYCARES HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THE FOSTER KIDS IN THE LOCAL SOCIAL SECURITY OR SOCIAL SERVICES OFFICE HERE. 
          SO MY THING IS JUST LIKE, THAT'S KIND OF OPENING PANDORA'S BOX OF DICTATING STAFFING FOR OVERSIGHT. 
          WE DON'T DO IT FOR ANYBODY ELSE. 
          HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR SOCIAL SERVICES. 
          AND I HEAR I, YEAH, THERE ARE, THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES THAT TAKE TO COVER ALL THAT. 
          I THINK BESIDES THEY DON'T DO IT WELL, THEY DON'T DO IT. 
          WELL, MAYBE, BUT WHATEVER. 
          IT'S, AND I, I HEAR WHAT YOU SAY. 
          UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE AS A COUNCIL DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER OR DI YOU KNOW, JURISDICTION OVER, BUT THERE ARE CHOICES LIKE THIS YEAH. 
          THAT WE DO HAVE. 
          BUT IT'S ONLY ONE, THEN WE ONLY HAVE OVER ONE. 
          SO YOU HAVE 10, YOU HAVE 10 NURSING HOMES IN FRONT ROOM, AND WE'RE ONLY DOING IT TO ONE THE DAYCARE. 
          SHE GOT HER SKULL FRACTURE AND IT'S STILL OPEN AND OPERATING WITH THE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL SOCIAL SERVICES KIDS TODAY WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS. 
          SO IT'S JUST LIKE, IF YOU PICK AND CHOOSE, THE ONE THING I WANNA SAY IS IT DOES, I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND 
          [02:20:01]
WHY EVERYBODY'S A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THIS ONE, BECAUSE IT DOES SAY A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING SKILLED NURSING FACILITY BUILDING WITH THE NEW BUILDING ADDITION FOR 20 BEDS AND ASSOCIATED FACILITIES. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S HOW THEY REQUESTED IT IN THEIR APPLICATION. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT WROTE. 
          IS THAT FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING SKILLED NURSING FACILITY BUILDING AWARE, YOU'RE THINKING THEY GET THIS APPROVED, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR EXPANSION. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IN WRITING. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          'CAUSE THEY CAME TO US TO DO THE EXPANSION. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY WHEN THEY WERE NOTIFIED THEY WERE ON. 
          AND THEN AS, UM, LIKE AFTER JOHN MET WITH THEM, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE CHECKED OUR RECORDS. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO THEY ARE GONNA EXPAND WHEN IT GETS APPROVED. 
          ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT WHAT SHOULD BE, WHAT WE SHOULD BE SEEING IS THE APPLICATION FOR WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT IS, IS NOT FOR AN EXPANSION. 
          WHAT IT IS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO BE TO, YOU KNOW, SO FIXING, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA BE A STICKLER, BUT THE, THE FACT THAT SIX SEVEN PEOPLE ARE SITTING UP HERE CONFUSED ON WHAT IT SAYS AND THE APPLICATION TELLS ME THAT MAYBE THE APPLICATION SHOULD BE CORRECTED SO THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE, TO DO THAT REVISION. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. 
          AND THAT WAY, IF THAT CAN BE DONE IN TIME, IF WE'RE CONFUSED, THE PUBLIC'S GONNA BE CONFUSED ABOUT THAT TOO. 
          I'M READY TO PUT THIS ON THE APRIL 28TH. 
          YEAH, I TOO, AS LONG AS IT'S, IF THEY IF, GO AHEAD, GEORGE. 
          SO WHAT'S GONNA BE IN FRONT OF COUNCIL IS WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT IS THE, THAT'S THE ISSUE. 
          UM, WAS IT TO BRING WHAT WAS EXISTING INTO COMPLIANCE? OR WAS IT TO EXPAND THE CURRENT USE? WELL, CAN WE ASK MS. KISH? YEAH. 
          SO THE, LET ME JUST SAY THIS, THAT IF, IF IT'S THE LATTER, WHICH IS TO EXPAND IT, IN MY VIEW, THAT WOULD MAKE THE ENTIRE USE CONFORMING IN ONE, ONE STEP. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM EITHER WAY. 
          I'M JUST SAYING IF, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS WHAT DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE IN FRONT OF IT? WHAT DID IT RECOMMEND? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUE SO AND SO WHAT DID, SO WHAT, WHAT DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION DO? MS. KAKI, WHAT DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION DO? PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UM, IT SAYS THAT THEY MOVED A, IT FORWARDED A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A BUILDING EDITION AT 400 WEST STRASBURG ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GEORGE, YOU'RE SAYING BY DEFAULT, IF WE APPROVE, THAT GETS APPROVED AND EVERYTHING ELSE GETS APPROVED BY DEFAULT? THAT'S MY, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THEN THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. 
          AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THAT EVERYTHING TO CONFORMITY, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST ME. 
          BUT I MEAN, I MAKE THAT JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, DID PLANNING COMMISSION WAS PLANNING COMMISSION AWARE THAT, THAT IT WAS NON-CONFORMING? THAT IT, THAT THE APPLICATION OR WHAT IT WAS THAT WAS BEFORE THEM? I THINK THIS WAS MS. KACI JUST SAID IS THAT THEY FOUND OUT WHEN THEY GOT IN HER OFFICE INTO PLANNING OFFICE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE ASKING WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER COMMISSION, I WANNA TALK ABOUT OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          I'M SAYING MR. SON SAID, WHAT, WHAT DID PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE? AND I'M SAYING THAT'S, THAT'S, BUT WHAT SHE DID READ IS COUNCIL AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THE COUNCIL DIDN'T UNDERSTAND PLANNING, WE'RE TRYING TO ASK, DID THE COMMISSION UNDERSTAND? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. 
          SINCE COUNCIL DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, LAUREN WE'RE ASKING, DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ACTUAL REQUEST WAS? SO WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECEIVED WAS A COPY OF THE APPLICATION. 
          AND THEN WE HAD AN, A LITTLE, A PARAGRAPH IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT SAID THE CURRENT USE OF THE PROPERTY AS A NURSING HOME IS LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING. 
          THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED ENLARGEMENT OF THE BUILDING OR EXTENSION OCCUPY A GREATER AREA, UM, THAN WAS ORIGINALLY PERMITTED, REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO THEN IT SAYS, AFTER A REVIEW OF OUR RECORDS, IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT NO SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS APPROVED FOR THE PROPERTY TOWN COUNSEL APPROVED THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN IN 1985. 
          THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED IN 86, INDICATING THAT IT WAS APPROVED BY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          BUT NO SUCH RECORDS EXIST. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE PLANNING COMMISSION KNEW. 
          THEY KNEW THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY KNEW. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE IN YOUR PACKAGE THAT I WAS REFERRING. 
          YEAH, I JUST READ THIS ONE. 
          WHAT YOU JUST READ TO US. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE STAFF APPROVES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IS EVERYBODY READY? SO, SO DOES EVERYBODY WANNA TAKE THIS TO THE 28TH? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          FOUR B IS THE, UM, HANOCK HD THAT'S AT THE BEGINNING HERE. 
          , 
          [02:25:09]
UH, THIS IS A SPECIAL USE, UH, SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 48, 8 20 D SIX, UH, FOR A REDUCTION OR REDUCED THE MINIMUM STREET PAVEMENT WIDTH. 
          UH, SO THERE'S, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY, THERE'S THE ARROW VIEW THERE. 
          1321 HAPPY CREEK ROAD. 
          UH, THERE WERE, UH, ODIN RIDGE SUBDIVISION HERE ON THE RIGHT AND HAPPY CREEK KNOLLS HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS THERE. 
          UH, THERE'S A TAX MAP OF VICINITY, MAP OF THE AREA, AND THEIR REQUEST FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM 1 48 TO 11. 
          YOUR CURRENTLY, YOUR TOWN CODE, UH, REQUIRES STREETS, UH, UP TO 2000 A DT TO BE 36 FEET WIDE. 
          UH, THOSE, UH, UH, HIGHER THAT FOR COLLECTOR STREET, UH, YOUR CODE REQUIRES THE PAVEMENT TO BE 40 FEET WIDE. 
          THE STREET, UH, VO STANDARDS FOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, UH, UH, FOR THE TRAFFIC VOLUME UP TO 2000, THEY ONLY REQUIRE IT TO BE 29 FOOT WIDE AND PARKING ON TWO SITES. 
          SO TOWN CODE 36, VDOT 29. 
          UH, SO OVER 2000 A VDOT REQUIRES 36. 
          BUT OUR CATEGORY, IT IS IN, UH, THE VDOT STANDARDS FOR SUBDIVISIONS 29 FOOT WIDE WITH PARKING ON TWO SIDES. 
          AND DO THEY, DO THEY HAVE A RULE ABOUT HOW MUCH CLEARANCE? 'CAUSE I, I ACTUALLY LOOKED, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVE SUVS AND TRUCKS, RIGHT? AND IF WE'VE GOT THAT, IF THEY'RE NINE FEET WIDE, IT ONLY FITS THREE. 
          SO I WAS WONDERING HOW YOU COULD HAVE TWO WAY TRAFFIC AND YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE MORE PARKING ALONG ONE SIDE. 
          RIGHT? LIKE, BUT IS THERE A CLEARANCE LIKE THAT ONLY LEAVES TWO FEET OF, OF CLEARANCE BETWEEN VEHICLES? SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A RULE ABOUT WHEN YOU HAVE A, A WIDTH OF A STREET, HOW MUCH CLEARANCE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BETWEEN TWO VEHICLES? THEY DO IT ON LANE WIDTH, SO, OKAY. 
          THE, THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE A 24 FOOT WIDE STREET FACE A CURB TO FACE THE CURB WITH PARKING ON ONE SIDE. 
          SO THAT, THAT, THAT JUSTIFIES THE LANE WIDTH FOR THE STREETS. 
          SO BASICALLY FOR THIS SUBDIVISION HERE, THEY, THEY'RE ADDING A COUPLE, UH, THINGS HERE. 
          THIS IS ODIN STREET HERE. 
          UH, SO YOU WOULD ENTER IN OFF DEN STREET. 
          THIS IS A CONCEPT DRAWING AND WHAT THEIR, THEIR DRIVES ARE. 
          SO THEY WOULD PUT A THREE-WAY STOP HERE WITH A PEDESTRIAN, A RAISED WALK HERE. 
          UH, EACH OF THESE SIDE STREETS WOULD HAVE A STOP SIGN. 
          THEY'D HAVE A THREE-WAY STOP HERE, A STOP ON THIS SIDE STREET. 
          A THREE-WAY STOP HERE, AND A THREE-WAY STOP HERE. 
          SO THIS WOULD NOT BE LIKE A CUT THROUGH FOR TRAFFIC. 
          THEY WOULD, AT THESE INTERSECTIONS, THEY WOULD ALSO STOP THERE WITH TRAFFIC. 
          COMMON MEASURES. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOR THIS COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED LAST AUGUST. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND, UM, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, I ZOOMED IN FROM A DIFFERENT TIME ZONE THAT THIS DEVELOPER COULD BUILD BUYRIGHT X AMOUNT OF HOUSES. 
          BUT WITH THIS APPROVAL, THEY COULD BUILD X AMOUNT OF HOUSES, BUT IT WOULDN'T ACTUALLY EQUATE TO THAT MANY HOUSES BECAUSE BY THE TIME THEY BUILT THE ROAD TO STATE STANDARDS AND PUT SIDEWALKS, CURB AND GUTTER, IT WOULD BRING THE NUMBER OF HOUSES BACK DOWN. 
          WAS THAT CORRECT? THAT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT WAS HAD AT A WORK SESSION PRIOR TO TAKING, YES. 
          SO ACTUALLY WHAT IN THEIR, UH, DRAWING, UM, WITH EVEN OUT THE ROADS, THEY HAVE ELIMINATED LOTS. 
          THEY HAVE REDUCED THE NUMBER. 
          THAT WAS BEFORE ON THE REZONING. 
          THEY'VE ACTUALLY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW MANY, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          UH, DOWN TO 97, I THINK. 
          OKAY. 
          90 THINK 95. 
          89 5. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT DEPENDS ON SOME OF THESE, UH, PARK AREAS. 
          SO THEY'RE KIND OF EXPANDING SOME OF THOSE, EXPANDING THE PARK. 
          BUT THEY ARE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF LOTS BECAUSE I THINK FIVE RIGHTS, THEY COULD DO 80, 82. 
          82, BUT THEY GOT APPROVED FOR 104, I THINK. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THEY SAID THEY WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO DO THAT BY THE TIME THEY BUILT THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NOT CHANGING. 
          SO DON'T GET CONFUSED. 
          THEY'RE NOT TAKING ROAD WIDTH AWAY TO ADDING LOTS. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY ARE. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ARGUMENT OF WHILE WE'RE APPLYING FOR 102, BUT WE CAN'T BUILD THAT BECAUSE OF THE ROADS. 
          THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION 
          [02:30:01]
ALMOST A YEAR LATER. 
          BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK OUT TO PLAN. 
          NO. 
          SO THEY'RE JUST, 'CAUSE I DON'T APPRECIATE IT BEING CONVOLUTED. 
          NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE, THE REDUCTION IN THE PAVEMENT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          WHICH SAVES THEM A LOT OF MONEY. 
          SO THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T REQUEST THIS, BUT DID BY CHANCE THEY OFFER TO PROFFER THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE SAVING BY REDUCING THE PAVING FOR WHAT THEY HAD ALREADY PLANNED TO PUT IN THERE? WELL, WE'LL SAVE TOO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO UPKEEP ON IT, YOU KNOW, SO IF IT'S LESS, WE DO UPKEEP ON THINGS THAT AREN'T BUILT TO STATE STANDARDS. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY A BURDEN BURDENS OF STAFF. 
          IT, IT'LL, IT'LL BE THE TOWN ORDINANCE SAY IS 36 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'RE EXCEEDING THE STATE STANDARDS. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY'RE ASKING TO COME DOWN EVEN, WELL, THEY, THEY'D STILL BE EXCEEDING THE STATE STANDARDS. 
          LET US KIND OF WORK THROUGH THESE A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR PROPOSAL HERE, UH, WITH THE, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. 
          SO TYPICALLY FOR VDOT, THEY ALLOW A 29 FOOT WIDE ROAD WITH PARKING ON TWO SIDES. 
          SO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING A 29 FOOT WIDE ROAD WITH PARKING ON ONE SIDE, FAR EXCEEDING WHAT VDOT REQUIRES. 
          WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY FAR. 
          IT'S ONE THING DIFFERENT. 
          THEY'RE NOT OFFERING NO PARKING ON EITHER SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA ASK QUESTIONS DDOT NOW. 
          SORRY JOHN. 
          I'M GONNA GO WITH A 24 FOOT WIDE STREET AND PARKING ON ONE SIDE. 
          I CAN SEE. 
          HAVE YOU EVER DRIVEN UP STONEWALL DRIVE, MARSHALL AND CHARLES? WELL, THAT, THAT WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO ASK. 
          AND JOHN, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD KNOW THIS. 
          IT MIGHT BE MORE OF A STAFF QUESTION JUST TO ASK IS, SO ON THE STREETS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN TOWN THAT ARE ONLY ALLOWING PARKING ON ONE SIDE, DOES THAT REALLY ACTUALLY HAPPEN? YEAH. 
          PARKING ON ONE SIDE THAT WOULD RESTRICTED YES. 
          CHIEF, YOU KNOW, LIKE ON SOME PLACES THEY'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE ON ONE SIDE, BUT THEN PEOPLE ARE LIKE PULLING OVER AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          THERE'S RESTRICTIONS. 
          WERE PROHIBITED. 
          WE ARE ENFORCING THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          NO, I KNOW, I I'M NOT SAYING YOU AREN'T ENFORCING THAT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I, EVEN IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY, THEY'RE GONNA PARK THAT. 
          RIGHT? EVEN PICTURE THAT THEY SHOW, LIKE I, I KNOW LIKE IN STEVEN CITY PLACE LIKE THAT, THEY HAVE THOSE SAME KINDA LOOK, BUT THEN PEOPLE WILL STILL KINDA TRY TO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A PARTY AND THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO PARK. 
          SO ANYWAY, KEEP GOING. 
          SO I WAS JUST ASKING, THEY'RE PROPOSING 29 FOOT WIDE AND PARKING ON ONE SIDE, EVEN THOUGH IF THIS IS THE VDOT, ALLOWS PARKING ON BOTH SIDES. 
          SO PARKING ON ONE SIDE, VDOT IS 24. 
          SO THEY'RE GOING 29 WITH PARKING ON ONE SIDE. 
          UH, SO YOUR CODE CONSIDERATIONS UNDER, FOR THIS EXCEPTION IS UNDER TWO. 
          PART OF THAT ON TWO IS WHEN IT'S DEMONSTRATED TO USE OF ALTERNATIVE REGULATIONS FOR PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT WOULD BETTER ACHIEVE AT LEAST ONE OF THE GOALS LISTED BE BELOW. 
          SO THE GOALS ARE TO DESIGN EMPHASIS ON PRINCIPLE OF TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN, INCLUDING PEDESTRIAN FINING ROADS, INTERCONNECTION OF NEW LOCAL STREETS, AND THE CON, UH, CONSERVATION OR THE USE OF SITE NATURAL FEATURES PROTECT WATER QUALITY. 
          SO WITH THIS STAFF BELIEVES THEY MAY, MAY MET TWO OF THE THREE, WHICH THEY'RE ONLY NEEDED TO DO IS PROVIDE ONE BY YOUR CODE. 
          SO THEY MET TWO OF THE THREE GOALS. 
          UH, YOUR CODE ALLOWS THEM ONLY TO MEET ONE OF THOSE FOLKS. 
          SO YOUR CONSIDERATIONS, UH, PROVIDED THAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION WOULD NOT DIMINISH PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, OR GENERAL WELFARE. 
          UH, STUDIES SHOW THE PLANNING LITERATURE AND TRANSPORTATION STUDIES SUPPORT NARROW STREETS AS A TRAFFIC COMMON MEASURE. 
          MEANING IT'S A MECHANISM TO PROMOTE SAFER STREETS, UH, CONSIDERATION THAT ADEQUATE PROVISIONS ARE PROVIDED TO ENSURE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE OF PUBLIC AND SHARED PRIVATE FACILITIES. 
          SO THE DEVELOPER WILL INSTALL THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE, THE TOWN IT IS BE BUILT TO BE OUT STANDARDS TOWN WOULD RECEIVE MAINTENANCE FUNDS BUILT TO VDOT STANDARDS. 
          THEN WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR SNOW REMOVAL, UH, MILLING OF THE ASPHALT AND REPAVING THE STREETS DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UH, THE DESIGN EMPHASIS ON PRINCIPLE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN. 
          UH, IT MEETS THAT CONDITION BECAUSE IT TIES ODIN RIDGE AND HAPPY CREEK ROAD TOGETHER INCREASING INTERCONNECTIVITY FOR LOCAL STREETS, WHICH IS PART OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          UH, THE CONSERVATION OR USE OF SA UH, ONSITE NATURAL FEATURES, IT'S GOING TO REDUCE THE PAVED ROAD SURFACE BY ABOUT ONE ACRE. 
          UH, WHICH DOES, UH, PEOPLE WOULD HAVE MORE GREEN AREA THERE AND THAT'D BE LESS STORM WATER BEING TREATED, UH, IN THE BMPS. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE REDUCING ONE ACRE OF PAVEMENT. 
          [02:35:01]
NO, I GOT A QUESTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WITH THE, WITH THE ROAD BEING 29 FEET WIDE AND A CAR ON EACH SIDE, IT'D BE NO CAR. 
          ONE SIDE CAR PARKING ON ONE SIDE. 
          DID YOU WORK? HAVE A FIRE TRUCK DOWN THERE, THERE,  IT, IT NEEDS THE FIRE CODE. 
          NO SIR. 
          YES, IT MAY MEET THE CODE, BUT THE FIRE TRUCKS GET BIGGER EVERY YEAR. 
          AND WE HAVE A LADDER TRUCK DOWN HERE. 
          WHEN YOU SET IT UP, YOU GOTTA HAVE 20 SOMETHING FEET TO SET THAT THING UP. 
          WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, IF ANY, IF SOMETHING ELSE GOES ON UP THE ROAD AND YOU CAN'T GET ANYBODY TO HELP SOMEBODY? WELL, MAYBE THEY'LL PROFFER THE MONEY THEY'RE SAVING FROM PAVING TO THINK WE ALREADY REZONED. 
          SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A PROFFER AMENDMENT TO GIVE YOU GUYS, IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME SOMEBODY AMENDED THEIR PROFFER. 
          . 
          YOU CAN DO IT FOR LIKE 10 YEARS. 
          BUT WAY THE MARSH WOULD BE REVIEWING THE SITE PLAN WHEN IT GETS THERE. 
          SO THEY WOULD BE THE ONES COMMENTING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE FIRE TRUCKS COULD FIT. 
          YEAH, WE, WE SEND THIS TO THE, UH, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA FIT A LADDER TRUCK, I'M AFRAID IF THEY GO IN TO SET UP SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BRIAN HELPED ME OUT. 
          THOSE JACKS COME OUT WITH SIX FEET ON EACH SIDE OF THE TRUCK AT LEAST. 
          AND YOU GOT FOUR JACKS YOU GOTTA PUT OUT. 
          THEY HIT US, SET UP ON A WRONG AVENUE, UM, WHAT, SUNDAY, SATURDAY. 
          AND THEY HIT ON A WRONG AVENUE BLOCK WITH IT. 
          AND RAW AVENUE SURE IS, IS W THAN 29 FEET. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF STREETS IN THIS TOWN THAT ARE ALSO LESS THAN 36 FEET. 
          OKAY, SO LET'S START FIXING OUR PROBLEMS. MAKING THEM 36 LIKE TOWN CODE SAYS AND TAKING PEOPLE'S FRONT YARDS AND THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO. 
          I'M NOT SAYING TAKING, BUT AS PEOPLE ARE BUILDING STUFF, HOW MUCH MORE OF THE PRESENTATION DO WE HAVE? OH YEAH. 
          YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH THIS QUICK FOR YOU? YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BEDO STANDARDS 29, UH, PARKING ON TWO SIDES. 
          A 1 29 PARKING ON ONE SIDE. 
          UH, THERE'S A 36 FOOT WIDE STREET PARKING ON TWO SIDES. 
          WHAT THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES. 
          UH, BDOT SAYS YOU CAN DO 24 FOOT WIDE WITH PARKING ON ONE SIDE, BUT THEY'RE SO DEN STREET ACTUALLY IS 40 FOOT WIDE UP THERE. 
          WE CHECKED THAT TODAY, CONFIRMED THAT. 
          SO NOW ODIN STREET IS 40 FOOT WIDE. 
          THE PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING OR VOICED THEIR CONCERNS ON THE REZONING THAT PEOPLE GO BY THERE TOO FAST. 
          RIGHT? IF YOU DRIVE THESE STREETS HERE ON ODIN STREET AND BOWDEN DRIVE, YOU'LL SEE KIDS WITH BASKETBALL HOOPS SET UP OUT ON THE PAVEMENT SINCE, BECAUSE IT'S INCIDENT CAUSES 40 FOOT WIDE TRAFFIC GOES FASTER ON A WIDER ROAD. 
          UH, THERE'S THE, UH, HAPPY CREEK KNOLLS IN THE ODIN STREET THERE. 
          UH, AGAIN WITH THE TRAFFIC COMMON MEASURES THEY'RE PROPOSING WITH THE STOP SIGNS, WITH THE NARROWER STREETS, UH, BACK TO 29 PARKING ON ONE SIDE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          UH, THERE ARE SOME OTHER, UH, PROJECTS THEY DID PREVIOUSLY WITH A 29 FOOT WIDE ROADWAY. 
          ONE PARKING, ONE SIDE, ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH FOR YOU. 
          PARKING ON ONE SIDE, 29 FOOT WIDE. 
          SO THE RIGHT OF WAY WON'T CHANGE BUT THE PAVEMENT WIDTH WHEEL. 
          SO YOU'D HAVE MORE GREEN AREA IF YOU DRIVE IN THE ODIN STREET OR UH, IN BODEN DRIVE AREA, YOU'LL SEE THE TREES, THE OAK TREES ARE PLANTED. 
          UH, THE ROOT BALL IS COMING. 
          IT'S BREAKING UP THE SIDEWALKS. 
          'CAUSE THOSE STREETS ARE 40 FOOT WIDE. 
          YOU HAVE LESS ROOM TO PLANT THE TREES. 
          SO THIS WOULD HELP ON THE TREE PLANTING. 
          YOU WOULD'VE EXTRA GRASS OR LAND THERE WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY TO PLANT TREES. 
          UH, SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ARE YOUR TOWN CODE ONLY REQUIRES TWO PARKING SPACES OFF STREET. 
          THEY ARE GOING TO FURNISH SIX TWO IN THE GARAGE AND ALL SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          TWO IN THE GARAGE AND FOUR IN THE DRIVEWAY. 
          SO YOUR CODE REQUIRES TWO. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO FURNISH SIX OFF STREET PARKING. 
          UH, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          UH, WITH NO, THEY DON'T NEED ANY ON STREET PARKING TO MEET THE CODE. 
          ALL THEIR PARKING SPACES WOULD BE ON OFF THE STREET AND ON IN THE PEOPLE'S, UH, DRIVEWAY OR IN THE GARAGE. 
          SIX PARKING SPACES. 
          SO TWO IN THE GARAGE, FOUR IN THE DRIVEWAY, SIX PARKING SPACES, 582 FOR THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION. 
          IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO GO WITH A 36 FOOT WIDE STREET, YOU COULD HAVE 11 PARKING SPACES PER LOT WITH PARKING ON TWO SIDES OF THE STREET, OR OVER A THOUSAND PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE FOR THAT SUBDIVISION. 
          AND THEY'RE STILL PROVIDING SIX FOR EACH HOUSE. 
          THEY'RE PROVIDING SIX, EVEN AT 36 FEET. 
          11 PER LOT WITH PARKING ON TWO SIDES. 
          IF WE DO THE REDUCTION DOWN TO PARKING ON ONE SIDE, YOU WOULD JUST BE OVER ABOUT EIGHT STASIS PER LOT. 
          WELL, IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY 11 PER LOT BECAUSE THAT ANYBODY I COULD GO PARK IN FRONT OF ONE OF THOSE HOUSES ON THE TOWN STREET. 
          IT'S NOT DEDICATED TO THAT HOUSE. 
          NO, IT'S NOT. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS PER HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          [02:40:01]
I JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT THE ONES BY THAT WATER THERE, THAT'S PUBLIC. 
          YEAH. 
          PUBLIC STREET PARKING. 
          SO THIS ONE, IF YOU'RE PARKING ON TWO SIDES, UH, YOU COULD HAVE 11. 
          IT WORKS OUT ABOUT 11 SPACES PER LOT. 
          UH, IF YOU GO WITH 29 FOOT WIDE PARKING ON ONE SIDE, YOU GET ABOUT 11 8, 8 PARKING SPACES PER LOT DOWN TO 838 SPACES FOR THE UH, SUBDIVISION. 
          IF YOU WENT WITH A 24 FOOT WIDE STREET, YOU'D HAVE 582 FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY PARKING ON ONE SIDE, 838 PARKING ON BOTH SIDES, OVER A THOUSAND PARKING SPACES. 
          WITH THIS REDUCTION, UH, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA AT 24 WOULD BE THREE ACRES. 
          3.8 AT 29, 4 POINT, UH, 4.77 ACRES OF PAVING. 
          UH, SO WE WOULD BE SAVING ABOUT AN ACRE OF PAVING ON THAT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT GRAPH TO COUNCILMAN HAWK'S QUESTION. 
          COULD WE MAKE AN IF FOR WHAT WE'RE TAKING ACTION ON, COULD WE APPROVE 29 WITHOUT ANY STREET PARKING? DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT TO SAY NO STREET PARKING? NO. 
          IF WE REDUCE IT FROM 36 TO 29, THAT WOULD GO BELOW. 
          NO, THAT IS, THAT'D BE MORE THAN STREET PARKING. 
          IS PUBLIC PARKING ONLY THROUGH PARKING REGULATIONS. 
          SO HOW CAN WE GUARANTEE IT'S ONLY ONE SIDE THEN IF WE CAN'T GUARANTEE IT'S ONE SIDE OR NO SIDE? THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT WE CAN SAY, WE CAN SAY THAT. 
          BOTH IS MY QUESTION. 
          GEORGE. 
          WE TOWN REGULATES PARKING. 
          ONCE WE HAVE THE STREET, WE CHANGE. 
          WHAT IF THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THIS BEAUTIFUL SUBDIVISION THOUGH AND THEN WE'VE GOT NO PARKING SIGNS. 
          SO YOU CAN YELLOW THE CURB. 
          A LOT OF THESE HOAS TRUE. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          YELLOW THE CURB. 
          AND THEY HAVE SIGNS UP THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, CALL, THEY CALL IT A FIRE LANE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU CAN'T PARK THERE. 
          YOU CAN'T STAND STAND THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE WOULDN'T DO THAT OVER ON, UH, ROYAL LANE, REMEMBER? YEAH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          PEOPLE THOUGH, WHY I, I DO WANNA MAKE ONE OBSERVATION THAT I, YOU KNOW, IN AUGUST, 'CAUSE THIS WAS APPROVED IN AUGUST, I'M PRETTY SURE REZONING. 
          YEAH. 
          THE REZONING WAS APPROVED IN AUGUST. 
          I I REMEMBER THAT MEETING WELL. 
          UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT A MAJOR CONCERN OF PEOPLE THAT CAME IN AND TALKED AND THEN QUITE HONESTLY, BECAUSE I WAS DOOR KNOCKING AT THE TIME FOR MY REELECTION CAMPAIGN. 
          I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA OR RIGHT AROUND THE TIME THAT THIS WAS ALL COMING BEFORE US. 
          AND PEOPLE WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPEEDING AND THEIR, WELL A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT SPEEDING IN TOWN. 
          BUT I REMEMBER THAT BEING AN ISSUE. 
          AND I REMEMBER PEOPLE WHEN THEY CAME TO THE MEETING THAT NIGHT, THEY WERE AFRAID THAT, ESPECIALLY ODIN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, THE WAY IT WAS GONNA ACCESS. 
          AND THE FACT THAT YOU SAID IT'S 40 FOOT WIDE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S ALL PART OF IT TOO. 
          I KNOW WALKER, SO I LIVE OFF OF WALKER AND IT, YOU TALK ABOUT THE AUDUBON, YOU KNOW, WALKER'S ALWAYS BEEN 'CAUSE IT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT AND THE STREETS ARE WIDE. 
          AND SO I DO THINK THERE'S, I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S OBVIOUSLY AN ARGUMENT THAT THE WIDER THE STREET IS, THE FASTER PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO. 
          'CAUSE THEY THINK THEY HAVE MORE SPACE. 
          SO KIND OF SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON IT NO MATTER WHAT. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          YOU KNOW, MADAM CHAIR, JUST A REMINDER, THE TASK IS WHETHER COUNCIL'S READY TO MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          YEP. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND WIN. 
          YES. 
          SO JUST, JUST TO NOTE, CHRIS HOING, WHO WAS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF, UH, RAPPA, LLC, YOU KNOW, HE, HE LISTENED TO THESE PEOPLE AND, AND HE'S DESIGNED THIS BASED UPON WHAT HE HEARD. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND UH, SO THIS IS WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE GETTING. 
          I KNOW, I I, THAT WAS THE OBSERVATION I MADE WAS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE AGAINST THIS, WELL, THERE WAS LOTS OF REASONS FOR AGAINST US, BUT THE, BUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OF PEOPLE WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPEEDING. 
          I'M READY TO PUT IT ON THIS MONTH'S AGENDA. 
          SO IF, IF, IF, DOES ANYBODY NEED MORE TIME TO NOT ON THAT, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT TRANS. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE TRANSITION. 
          SO YOU GOT A 40 FOOT ROAD IF YOU GO TO 29, WHEN DOES THAT TRANSITION HAPPEN? DOES THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE A BIG SIGNAGE THING. 
          HAD A THREE-WAY STOP. 
          IT'S AT THE OPENING OF IT. 
          I WOULD THINK IT'S RIGHT AT THE OPENING. 
          DO YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THAT LITTLE, LITTLE CARS WHEN YOU GET THERE? IT GETS NARROW AND YOU SLOW DOWN. 
          SO IT'S, 
          [02:45:02]
WELL, IT'S RIGHT AT THE CUL-DE-SAC. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S GO BACK THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHERE, SO THERE WHERE'S ODIN? IS THERE ODIN'S HERE? SO THAT GOES FROM A 40 FOOT INTO, THAT'LL GO DOWN TO THE 29. 
          AT SOME POINT YOU'LL PAY FOR THAT. 
          THAT GETS A TRANSITION. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S GONNA BOTTOM MY, MY DAD ASKED ME. 
          I'M JUST GONNA SAY THIS POINT, I MEAN, AND THIS GOES TO WHAT COUNCIL OR VICE MAYOR VIAL JUST SAID EARLIER AND PLUS WHAT, WHAT COUNCILMAN  SAID AS WELL. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I THINK SHE MADE A POINT ABOUT YOU GOING THROUGH THE PARKING. 
          BUT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS, OF THE, TO ME, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT ORDINANCE IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, IN OUR STREET REGULATIONS IF WE'RE GONNA ALLOW IT HERE. 
          IF THIS EXCEPTION GETS PASSED, THEN ESSENTIALLY WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE OKAY. 
          WE'RE OKAY WITH 29 STREETS ACROSS THE 29 WIDE STREETS ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          AGAIN, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH WHAT'S BEING SAID THERE. 
          I MEAN, MAYBE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE POINTS THAT ARE BEING MADE ARE TAKEN INTO FACT. 
          I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM A, FROM AN ORDINANCE STANDPOINT THAT I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BEING CONSISTENT, BEING CONSISTENT, I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THIS SHOULD GO, I THINK THIS WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF WE DID AN ORDINANCE CHANGE COMPLETELY TO, TO A COPY CASE INSTEAD OF DOING SPECIAL, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S, SO THIS TABLE HERE HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED RECENTLY TO MEET THE VDOT REQUIREMENTS FOR STREET SUBDIVISIONS. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT IS IN YOUR CODE. 
          YEAH, AND I, I AGREE TO THAT. 
          I I AGREE. 
          OUR CODE'S PROBABLY OUTDATED. 
          SO THE NEW, BUT I AGREE. 
          BUT I, I'M SAYING JUST, JUST, JUST FROM AN OFFICIAL STANDPOINT, FROM MY, FROM, FROM MY VIEW OF THIS IS THAT WE, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THIS FOR AN SEXUAL EXEMPTION. 
          I, I WOULD RATHER FOR LOOK AT THIS. 
          GO LOOK AT OUR REGULATIONS FOR, OR ORDINANCES FOR, UH, FOR SUBDIVISIONS FOR STREET WITH AND CHANGE IT THERE INSTEAD OF DOING A SPECIAL EXEMPTION. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          'CAUSE THEN JUST LIKE WITH PARKING SPACES AND CURB AND GUNNER, YOU HAVE PEOPLE SAYING, ORDINANCE, WE DID IT FOR THEM, NOT US. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD FIX THE ORDINANCE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          BECAUSE IF WE DO IT THIS, THEN YEAH. 
          I MEAN WE CAN SAY ALL, IT'S A SPECIAL, IT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. 
          EVERY CASE IS SPECIAL, BUT IT'S NOT. 
          IT'S, IT SETS A PRECEDENCE OF WHAT, WHAT THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO AGREE TO DO IN THE FUTURE. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. 
          AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH WHAT'S BEING SAID ABOUT THE SAFETY FEATURES AND THE MORE GREEN AREA, ALL THAT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING IN PRINCIPLE, FROM, FROM A, FROM AN ORDINANCE STANDPOINT, THAT'S ALL I WILL SAY. 
          AND MY ONLY COMMENT IS LIVE ON KESSLER ROAD. 
          I WISH THAT IT WAS NARROWER. 
          I WISH THAT IT WAS NARROWER. 
          IT WOULD SLOW PEOPLE DOWN. 
          THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED AT THE OLD HOSPITAL. 
          O ONCE WE HAD A PEDESTRIAN ON, WE WENT IN AND PUT IN THOSE BUMP OUTS. 
          BUMP OUTS AND IT SLOWED PEOPLE DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WIDER THE ROAD. 
          THE FASTER WE GO, THE MORE NARROW GO DOWN BLUE RIDGE AVENUE. 
          SEE HOW FAST YOU'RE GONNA GO. 
          RIGHT. 
          CARS ON BOTH SIDES. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, IT'S JUST A FACT OF LIFE. 
          IT'S HUMAN NATURE. 
          SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, WHAT'S BEEN BROUGHT, UH, BY COUNCILMAN INGRAM IS, IS WOULD COUNCIL PREFER TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE FIRST? I THINK WE HAVE VISIT TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S ON THE AGENDA. 
          WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS. 
          JOSH MAKES A GOOD POINT. 
          AND TYPICALLY THE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE THEY'RE IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, POINT OUT THE FLAWS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHAT TELLS US. 
          LIKE WE HAVE SOME PARKING ISSUES IN TOWN AND RIGHT. 
          EVERYONE TELLS US WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR STANDARDS TO MAKE DDOS. 
          WE DO. 
          BUT I ASKING THIS LIKE COUNCIL MAKING EXCEPTIONS ON EVERYTHING ELSE, IF WE JUST, EXACTLY. 
          WHAT I'M ASKING IS, SHOULD WE UPDATE THAT FIRST? SO WE HAVE TO ACT ON THIS FIRST IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          IF WE WERE TO ACT ON THIS AND IT WERE TO BE APPROVED AND THEN WE WERE TO CHANGE OUR ORDINANCES, THEN IT WOULD NO LONGER BE CONSIDERED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. 
          IT WOULD JUST BE WHAT IT IS. 
          IT STILL EXISTS. 
          THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS STILL IN THE RECORD. 
          RIGHT. 
          I AGREE. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY THE MISUSE OF THE WORD, BUT IT WOULD BECOME MOOT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY WANTS TO PUT THIS ON FOR THE 28TH. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE LAST ONE IS THE, UM, RULE LANE. 
          AND YOU'RE DOING THAT TOO, JOHN? NO, I WAS GONNA SAY, I THOUGHT LAUREN'S THE ONE WHO ASKED ME FOR THAT ADDITION. 
          SO WITH THIS ONE, IF YOU REMEMBER THE APPLICANT'S WANTING TO DO THEIR 36 APARTMENTS, UM, AT THE END OF ROYAL LANE THERE, IT ZONED COMMERCIAL. 
          SO YOU NEED THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          UM, AND WE HAD, WE GOT HERE AT THE LAST WORK SESSION TO KIND OF GO OVER DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES FOR POTENTIALLY IMPROVING THAT INTERSECTION. 
          BUT THE APPLICANT HAS REVISED THEIR APPLICATION TO STATE IS BASICALLY THAT IF THIS WAS APPROVED, IF WE WOULD PERMIT THEM TO DO THE ONE ENTRANCE IN, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE ROAD 
          [02:50:01]
EXTENDED ALL THE WAY TO THE END WHERE THERE WOULD BE TWO ENTRANCES, THEY COULD THEN BOND THE COST OF THESE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, THE RES STRIPING, AND THE SIGNAGE TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $34,852, WHICH IS THE ESTIMATE PUBLIC WORKS RECEIVED. 
          SO NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED IN THE APPLICATION OTHER THAN THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THESE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. 
          IF THIS IS APPROVED, I DON'T SEE IT ON THERE. 
          UH, LAUREN, BUT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, DON'T KNOW ROBBIE AND I RIGHT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT IT. 
          WOULDN'T THAT ALSO INCLUDE STRIPING OF ROW LANE AND CREATING TWO DEDICATED LANES AT THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT DOWN THERE? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING THE STRIPING AS WELL. 
          SO HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT, UH, CORRECTED THE BACKUPS, UH, ON LANE? SO AS, UM, JOE JOHNSON, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WAS HERE LAST TIME AND HE EXPLAINED THAT WITH THIS STRIPING ALTERNATIVE, YOU HAVE A DEDICATED TURN LANE, YOU'VE GOT A DEDICATED THROUGH LANE. 
          SO IT GIVES THE PERSON TURNING LEFT CONFIDENCE THAT IF SOMEBODY IS HERE, THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT TURN. 
          SO IT WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE AS THE RACE T INTERSECTION. 
          BUT THIS WOULD CERTAINLY IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW. 
          AND I DON'T, I DON'T PER, AGAIN, I SAID LAST TIME, I DON'T LIKE AN IDEA OF SOME OF HAVING AN EXTRA TURN OR HAVING AN, SOMEBODY'S GONNA PULL OUT FROM HERE BE LIKE, TURN AROUND AND HAND YOUR KID A, YOU KNOW, CHICKEN NUGGET OR SOMETHING AND BE LIKE, OH LOOK. 
          AND THEN BAM IN THIS LANE RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW. 
          OH, THAT'S IT. 
          THOSE TWO LANES ALREADY EXIST THERE THOUGH. 
          I, YEAH, BUT IF THEY STRIKE, BUT IF THEY STRIKE A, IN THAT MIDDLE, THEY PUT SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT HERE THOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M SURE WE WOULD PUT A SIGN THAT SAYS TWO. 
          HELL, I'D PROBABLY DO IT MYSELF NOT KNOWING, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHTTIME, YOU KNOW, UNTIL YOU GET USED TO IT. 
           UNTIL I HIT A FEW PEOPLE. 
          AND IF YOU LIVE THERE AND YOU'RE COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE, EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA BE THE ONE THAT'S GONNA BE SEEING IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I'M, I'M ASKING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT THAT? WE WEREN'T GONNA LET ANYBODY PARK HERE OR HERE? YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE TOWN CAN . 
          WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. 
          THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          THIS IS INCLUDE THE STRIPING AND TWO DEDICATED LANES AND RESTRICTING PARKING ON ROYAL LANE. 
          SO, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE TOWN MANAGER'S OFFICE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO PUT UP THE NO PARKINGS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO PUBLIC WORKS WE CAN GO THROUGH AND THEN THE PD WILL CERTAINLY ENFORCE IT IF IT'S ENACTED. 
          I THINK WE WANTED TO DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          NOW WE WANTED TO DO THAT. 
          I MEAN THE LAST WORK SESSION WE WENT OUT THERE TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          COULD WE IMPROVE THE SITUATION NOW BY PUTTING A MIDDLE STRIKE DEDICATED LEFT, DEDICATED, RIGHT. 
          RESTRICTING ABOUT FIVE PARKING SPOTS ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          AND THEY ARE COMMUTER VEHICLES. 
          MOST OF 'EM ARE THEY? YOU GO BY THERE AND YOU SEE THE SAME ONES EARLY IN THE MORNING. 
          YES. 
          WELL, SO BASICALLY THE INFORMATION MS. KAKI IS GIVING US MAKES SENSE IS JUST FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION BEFORE TO AS AN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THE 28TH. 
          SO THAT IF THAT WORKS, OBVIOUSLY IT'LL PROVE THAT PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT. 
          I STILL QUESTION ABOUT TRAFFIC ITSELF A LITTLE, BUT IF THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I SAW SOMETHING THE OTHER DAY GOING TO A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT ON THE SO ROAD WHERE THE STATE PUT THE DELINEATORS DELINEATORS YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, WHERE, YOU KNOW WHERE THE CURVE IS AND IT'S LIKE GETTING ON A HAY MARKET, GETTING ON 66 AT HAY MARKET. 
          YOU GO HEAD ON AT THE TRAFFIC LEFT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WAS THE ONE TO DO. 
          YEAH, I MEAN THIS IS A FOUR LANE ROAD AND THEY PUT THE, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO LEFT, YOU CAN ONLY GO RIGHT HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE, CAN YOU ADMIT THAT YOU MISSED A SHOT? WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, THE TURN LANES ON RURAL AVENUE AND THEN NO PARKING. 
          AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK IF WE DECIDE, BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE, I MEAN EVEN THIS ROUTE, BECAUSE THEY'RE, AND LIKE WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT WAS JUST PAINT AND THEY'RE PAYING FOR THE PAIN ANYWAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT, THEN WE'RE GONNA CHANGE IT FOR SAFETY. 
          I THINK I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE THERMO. 
          SO WE'D HAVE TO BE GROUND OFF. 
          SO IT'D BE LIKE THE PAVING OF MILLING THAT THEY DID WHEN THEY TOOK THE STUFF OFF AT THE OTHER SLEEVE. 
          IT MAY INFL, IT MAY IMPROVE, UH, THE FLOW. 
          JOHN, IT DOES NOTHING FOR ROYAL LANE. 
          I MEAN, THE ENGINEER SAID THAT IT WOULD HELP. 
          IT STILL GONNA BE BACKUPS ON ROYAL LANE EVERY MORNING THERE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I, I AGREE. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          AND ALSO SECONDARY X. 
          SO THERE'S A BACKUP EVERY MORNING OF A SCHOOL COMING OFF OF WEST. 
          YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY DRY WALKER AVENUE WALKER COMING OUT THERE. 
          THERE'S A BACKUP THERE EVERY DAY AND EVERY DAY AT CLOSED TOO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
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OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU ALRIGHT, NUMBER FIVE IS THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING ITEMS. YOU CAN SEE THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY ON THERE. 
          UM, I AM GONNA SAY ABOUT A, SO A AS YOU ALL SAW THAT ABOUT THE JOINT TOWING BOARD REQUEST THAT ACTUALLY CAME, THE LADY TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AT THE LIAISON MEETING AND WE WERE SUPO THE IDEA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TO COME BACK TO EACH OF OUR INDIVIDUAL BOARDS AND GET SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          SO I JUST WANNA SAY, I WANT YOU'ALL TO THINK ABOUT A, AND GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS BECAUSE I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS THEY WANT TO CAP THE TOWING COMPANIES. 
          OKAY. 
          CHANGE OUR ORDINANCE AND CHANGE OUR ORDINANCE. 
          THAT WOULD MEAN THAT FIVE, THERE WOULD ONLY BE FIVE TOWING COMPANIES. 
          AND THOSE FIVE TOWING COMPANIES ONCE APPROVED WOULD STAY ON THERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID THERE, REDUCED IT DOWN TO FOUR. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, MAYBE I HAVE THEIR NUMBERS ON I DON'T, COMPANIES IT DOESN'T SAY. 
          WELL I KNOW WHEN SHE PRESENTED IT BEFORE, IT WAS LIKE THEY WANTED TO CAP IT AT FIVE. 
          I THINK IT'S IN YOUR ORDER AMENDMENT THAT I HAVE IN THE PACKET. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT COUNSEL UNDERSTANDS WHEN THAT WAS SHARED BEFORE AND IT WASN'T JUST TOWN. 
          THERE WERE PEOPLE WITH THE COUNTY TOO THAT ASKED THE SAME THING. 
          THE ONLY PART OF THAT IS, IS THAT IT'S FIVE. 
          THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. 
          SO, SO THAT MEANS FIVE TOWING COMPANIES, RIGHT? SO IF A NEW COMPANY COMES INTO TOWN, THEY, THERE'S NOT REALLY A FREE MARKET. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE IF SOMEBODY NEW COMES IN, THEY CAN NEVER GET ON THAT LIST UNLESS SOMEBODY COMES OFF OF IT OR YOU THROW SOMEBODY OFF OR WHATEVER. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL THE TOWING BOARD WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD REMOVE THEM OFF, WHICH ARE THE TOWING, BUT WHICH ARE THE TOWING COMPANIES THAT ARE ON THE BOARD. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I'M JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND. 
          SHE'S GONNA COME SPEAK NEXT WEEK AT THE LIAISON MEETING. 
          SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND EXPLAIN IT AGAIN. 
          BUT I JUST KNOW THAT THAT WAS, THAT SEEMED TO BE THE ONE PART OF IT THAT HAD THE MOST QUESTIONS THAT NIGHT. 
          AND SO, UM, I I, I WILL ASK AGAIN. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT NIGHT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I I PERSONALLY THINK EVEN IF IT LIKE, WELL THEY'LL STAY ON THAT LIST FOR THREE YEARS AND THEN WE'LL REEVALUATE. 
          BUT DO YOU NEVER GET IN? NOBODY EVER GETS A CHANCE TO BREAK IN TO IT, BREAK INTO THAT MARKET. 
          BUT ANYWAY, ANYBODY WANNA ADD ANYTHING ELSE ON THERE? OR ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTION? I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AND JUST ASK THEM IF THEY HIRED A CONSULTANT FOR THE GUN RANGE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'VE ALREADY HAD A DISCUSSION. 
          IT COULD BE A CONTINUED DISCUSSION TO ASK IF THEY HIRED A CONSULTANT AND IF THEY'D SHARE THE RESULTS WITH THOSE. 
          AND THAT COULD BE, YEAH, WE COULD RECYCLE SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR BY OUR TAX DOLLARS TOO. 
          'CAUSE WE PAID ACCOUNTING TAXES. 
          SO DO YOU GUYS WANT LIKE THE SEPTIC CALL RATE? BJ IS GOING TO BE DO I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          YEP. 
          HE'S GONNA EXPLAIN THAT TO THE LIAISON. 
          UM, LAUREN'S GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE MOU REGARDING BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT DISCUSSION AND THEN, UM, YEAH. 
          AND THEN GEORGE HAS GOT THE OTHER TWO ITEMS TO DISCUSS AND THEN WE'LL ASK, BUT NOT AT LE NOT AT LIAISON. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL WE JUST ATTORNEY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BRING THIS ATTORNEYS DON'T PARTICIPATE, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE GONNA EXPLAIN IT TO EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW THEN? IS THAT, IS THAT THE IDEA? 'CAUSE IT HAS YOUR NAME BY, I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT OKAY. 
          IF WE'RE READY FOR THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FIRST THREE ABOUT WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT? SO THE FIRST THREE, THE JOINT, THE SEPTIC, AND THE, UH, NO, NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FIVE D UM, THIS IS THE, UM, BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT. 
          UM, THIS CAME TO LIGHT LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD SURVEY DONE MM-HMM . 
          ALONG EAST AND WEST REER MM-HMM . 
          AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE ROADWAY WERE NOT IN TOWN LIMITS. 
          UM, SO THIS WAS ON THE TO-DO LIST OF THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION AND NOT SURE, I'M NOT SURE WHY IT DIDN'T PROGRESS, BUT THIS IS AN EFFORT TO, TO HAVE IT PROGRESS, UM, UNDER STATE LAW. 
          UM, IT'S NOT AN ADVERSARIAL SITUATION. 
          IT'S, UH, THE CODE SECTIONS THAT ARE CITED THERE, UM, SIMPLY REQUIRE, UM, MUTUAL RESOLUTIONS, UH, BY THE LOCALITIES AND THEN IT GOES TO THE CIRCUIT COURT AND THE SUMMARY OF THIS IS GONNA BE IN THE PACKET FOR COUNTY 
          [03:00:01]
AND TOWN TO LOOK AT IT. 
          SO IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL WE'LL TRY TO TACKLE IT BETWEEN ALL OF US. 
           THAT WE WILL BE THERE. 
          ONLY TWO OF YOU CAN TALK. 
          I KNOW, I, I MEANT THE, I MEANT THE STAFF. 
          UM, I, I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THIS, BUT I KNOW WHEN WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE UH, UH, ON THE SIDEWALK GOING THROUGH THERE, I THINK, I THINK WE BROUGHT THIS UP BRIEFLY. 
          I DON'T THINK WE ANY ANY IN DEPTH ON IT, BUT I THINK THIS WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT WE OWN, WELL WE OWN, INITIALLY IT WAS THOUGHT THAT MOST OF THE ROAD WASN'T IN THE TOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          THE LAND WAS LIKE, AND THEN IT WAS RESURVEYED. 
          THE TOWN BOUNDARY DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL OUR ROADS. 
          WE OWN PROPERTY TECHNICALLY IN THE COUNTY. 
          CORRECT? YEAH. 
          THE TOWN OWNS THE LAND, BUT THE BOUNDARY DOES NOT ENCOMPASS ALL OF THE LAND. 
          BUT I WANNA SAY I DON'T THINK WE WANT ANY DEPTH ON THIS FROM A LIAISON MEETING, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD MAYBE MENTIONED IT TO SAY, HEY, THERE'RE HAVE TO BE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE. 
          THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT YEAH, THEY DIDN'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN WELL WE, WE DIDN'T EITHER. 
          I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YEAH, RIGHT. 
          YEAH, IT DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. 
          IT'S JUST THAT BASICALLY WE BOTH AGREED THAT WE DID CLEANUP NEEDED TO BE DONE. 
          SO OUR, OUR REQUEST IS GONNA BE TO, OUR REQUEST IS GOING TO BE FOR THEM TO ASSIST, COOPERATE WITH A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO STATUTES, UM, ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          UH, THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS 31 0 6, 15 0.231 AND SIX. 
          WHENEVER TWO OR MORE LOCALITIES WISH TO RELOCATE OR CHANGE THE BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN THEM, THE GOVERNING BODIES OF SUCH LOCALITIES MAY BY AGREEMENT ESTABLISH, RELOCATE OR CHANGE SUCH BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN THEM. 
          VERY SIMPLE. 
          SO WE'RE JUST GONNA BRING THIS UP TO THEM AND THE NEXT ONE, AND IF THEY'RE GET THE LEGALS TOGETHER, WE'LL TELL YOUR, TELL YOUR ATTORNEY TO CALL OUR ATTORNEY. 
          AND SO THE NEXT STATUTE JUST TALKS ABOUT, UM, UM, THAT THERE HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BY EACH LOCALITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND RESOLUTIONS. 
          AND THEN YOU GO TO THE CIRCUIT COURT. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE, UM, IS THERE A MONETARY IMPACT NO. 
          FOR THEM OR FOR US? NO, IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME SIDEWALK AND SUCH ON THE EAST. 
          CROSSER IS TECHNICALLY IN THE COUNTY. 
          COUNTY. 
          WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH, PUT IN THE SIDEWALK, PUT IN THE LIGHTS. 
          WE'VE IMPROVED THE COUNTY. 
          WELL WE PUT IN A YEAH, WELL THIS WAS EVEN WELL WHEN WE WERE IN THE TRANSPORTATION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THIS WAS TOUCHED ON. 
          AGAIN, IT WASN'T EVEN ANY, ALRIGHT. 
          SO EVERYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE SUMMARY IS GONNA GIVE US THE ABILITY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THEM AND EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT IT IS. 
          SHOULD CLEAR A PICTURE. 
          RIGHT? IF THIS LINE YEAH, MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME TOPOGRAPHICAL AND LIKE IMAGE AND FREE COAT SECTIONS THAT ARE MADE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I'M SAYING LIKE A TOPICAL TO BE LIKE, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS MUCH. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND IT DOES THAT COULD PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR US SOMEHOW. 
          NO ONE'S REVENUE IS BEING TOP OF TOPIC. 
          RIGHT. 
          HAVE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          EI JUST WANNA E IS JUST THE MOU WITH OR YEAH. 
          APTEX PROPERTY DISCUSSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IN 19 99, 3 PARTIES ENTERED INTO AN MOU. 
          SO INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE COUNTER FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN, COUNTER FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARD. 
          AND WELL, IT'S SELF-EXPLANATORY. 
          UM, BUT I POINT OUT, UM, PARAGRAPHS THREE AND FOUR IN PARTICULAR, WHICH CALL FOR THE, UM, UH, THE MEETING OF CERTAIN PARCELS TO THE COUNT COUNTY OR TOWN AS THOSE PARTIES MAY FROM TIME TO TR TIME MUTUALLY AGREE. 
          UM, I'M NOT CLEAR ON THE STATUS OF THOSE. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER SOCCER FIELDS WHICH IT STARTED WITH THE SOCCER FIELD, WHICH MAY BE PART OF THIS, BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR. 
          SO, UM, IT'S FOR DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY TO DETERMINE, UH, DETERMINE WHAT THE ADA'S OBLIGATIONS ARE TO THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY WITH RESPECT TO LAND. 
          I'M ASSUMING YOU MEAN THAT AS THEY'RE SELLING THINGS OFF? LIKE WHAT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY THE AFTER? WELL THE, THESE TWO PARAGRAPHS CALL FOR DIRECT DEEDING TO EITHER THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AS THOSE PARTIES DETERMINED, BUT WITHOUT A MAP. 
          IT'S HARD TO SAY. 
          PARTIAL TOO OF 10 ACRES. 
          WELL, WHERE IS THE MAP? WELL, THERE, RIGHT, THERE IS A CONCEPT PLAN ATTACHED. 
          UM, BUT, UM, I THINK PLANNING, UH, WE'LL BE WORKING ON THIS TO CLARIFY WHICH PARCELS ARE INVOLVED. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE I 
          [03:05:01]
I I, I DON'T KNOW OBVIOUSLY US BRINGING IT UP, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDER THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT THOSE PIECES ARE AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE EFFORT WILL BE TO, UM, TO RECONCILE, I GUESS IS THE WORD THIS, THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S ATTACHED TO THIS MOU AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY AS FAR AS, UH, THERE WAS A REZONING IN 2014 MM-HMM . 
          AND YES. 
          SO WELL YOU HAVE . 
          YOU WANNA GIVE THEM A SUGGESTION IN ADVANCE OF WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD PREFER. 
          I'M SORRY I DIDN'T, I SAID WE WOULD YOU WANNA GIVE THEM A SUGGESTION ON WHAT WE WOULD PREFER IN ADVANCE? IN ADVANCE OF ADVANCE, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          BRINGING THE TOPIC UP WITH THEM. 
          I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON I I DON'T, I THINK YOU JUST NEED THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          UM, THE TWO PARAGRAPHS TALK ABOUT MUTUAL AGREEMENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S EVER OCCURRED. 
          YEAH, I, I DON'T MUTUAL AGREEMENT. 
          I KNOW. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING IF WE WANTED TO PUT DOWN WHAT WE BOUGHT . 
          I DON'T THINK IT WOULD DO ANY GOOD. 
          YEAH, THIS IS, AND THEY'RE GETTING READY TO LIST THE PROPERTY NOW. 
          NOW AGAIN, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT TOWN AND COUNTY. 
          WELL YEAH, THAT'S, IT SAYS THE DDA WILL CONVEY BY DEED TO THE TOWN AND OR COUNTY DEPENDING ON THE TOWN AND COUNTY'S AGREEMENT. 
          AND WHERE IS THE TOWN AND COUNTY'S AGREEMENT? WE NEED ONE . 
          THAT'S THE, SO I THINK THAT'S THE POINT OF GOING TO LIAISON. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BASICALLY LIAISON, WE'RE JUST GONNA BRIDGE THE SUBJECT AND SAY ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS? AND WHERE, WHERE ARE WE AT ON THAT? AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT WE AGREE SHOULD BE CONVEYED. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM OR, WELL, I GUESS IT WOULD BE UP TO BOTH OF US TO APPROACH THE EDA ABOUT IT. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF IT AND START A CONVERSATION BEFORE ALL OF IT GETS SOLD OFF . 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WAS EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU ALL WANT US TO, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO INCLUDE? OKAY. 
          THE, THE MOU ABOUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, IS, IS THAT WHERE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY PROVIDE AND YES. 
          FOR US? YES. 
          UM, OKAY, SORRY. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          YEP. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU, I'LL GIVE YOU JUST A BRIEF STATEMENT. 
          SO WHAT WE DISCOVERED WITH THE CURRENT MOU YOU HAVE, UH, IT DOES CITE SOME CODES THAT NO LONGER EXIST IN THE STATE REGULATIONS. 
          UH, SO I THINK THE ORIGINAL MOU WAS IN 83 THEN WE REVISED THAT IN UH, 22. 
          22, 22. 
          UH, AND HOWEVER IT CITED THE WRONG REGULATIONS IN THE CODE. 
          WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IS TWO SEPARATE MOUS BECAUSE THE, WHAT YOU REFER TO AS THE BUILDING CODE THAT'S UNDER THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND C COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THAT UNDER THAT THEY HAVE THE VIRGINIA CONSTRUCTION CODE, THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE AND MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          SO WE HAVE MAINTENANCE CODE HERE THAT'S THROUGH OUR, IF YOU ALL ATTENDED LAST WEEK'S TRAINING, WE HAD THE MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          THE COUNTY PROVIDES THE OTHER TWO PART, BUT WE LUMPED IN EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL IN THAT MOU EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL COMES UNDER THE STATE WATER CONTROL BOARD AND DEQ. 
          SO THOSE, THERE'S TWO ENTIRELY STATE DIFFERENT STATE ORGANIZATIONS THAT RUN THE REGULATIONS. 
          SO FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE TWO SEPARATE MOUS. 
          ONE ADDRESSES THE BUILDING CODE AND ONE ADDRESSES EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE YES. 
          BROACHING WITH THEM. 
          AND I'M JUST GONNA ASK MAKES SENSE. 
          STAFF WILL BE THERE NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE. 
          YES, WE HAVE THAT CURRENTLY. 
          OH, MOU COVERS TOO, BUT ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD? 'CAUSE WE WON'T BE, OH, GOING BACK TO JULY. 
          NOTICE THE MATH, MATH OF THE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          AND THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS LERE AVENUE, IT SHOWS THE TOWN DOES NOT OWN, OR IT'S OUT OF THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE TOWN. 
          THAT INTERSECTION'S LIKE HALF AND HALF WHERE IT GOES UP THE HILL, . 
          [03:10:01]
THERE MAY BE SOME CLARITY NEEDED FOR YOU GUYS ON LURAY AVENUE DOWN TOWARDS THE, UH, BOAT LAUNCH. 
          THE REST OF IT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY. 
          WE'RE ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD. 
          WE NEED TO BE ON THAT SIDE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF PUBLIC WORKS. 
          ROB BURTON STARTING. 
          I WENT TO THE BOAT RAMP SPEED DOT OKAY THEN THAT'S OKAY. 
          WE'RE NOT LOOKING BUT I'M SAYING THE RED LINE THERE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO ADJUST LRE AVENUE. 
          JUST EAST CHRYSLER. 
          WEST CHRYSLER. 
          I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A POINT OF YEP. 
          MISUNDERSTANDING. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, WELL NO WE WON'T, WE WON'T HAVE STAFF THERE FOR THAT CONVERSATION, BUT WE WILL DO THE BEST WE CAN. 
          THE REST OF US  IF, IF THE TWO PICTURES IN THERE BLOWN UP WHERE YOU CAN READ 'EM AND SEE THE CURRENT GALLERY, IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO IS HAVE ENOUGH FOR EACH OF THEM TO LIKE A BLOWN UP PICTURE ON THE COPIER TO BE ABLE TO PASS THAT OUT FOR THEM. 
          YES, YES. 
          AND, AND IT SHOULDN'T BE A SURPRISE. 
          'CAUSE WE DID BRING THIS UP BEFORE, BUT IT WAS A CASUAL THING. 
          SO ANYWAY. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD TO LIAISON? GO AHEAD, TINA. 
          FIRST YOU'RE GONNA ADD THE FIVE THAT'S ON HERE, RIGHT? YES. 
          AND THEN WHAT ABOUT THE GUN RANGE? IS THAT GONNA BE ANOTHER ONE? THAT'S F THAT WOULD BE F ANOTHER ONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THERE'S SIX TOTAL, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE WE HAVE. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I, I NOW COUNTY'S HOSTING THIS. 
          I'M JUST GONNA BE SENDING HIM RIGHT HERE. 
          I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA TALK TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BEFORE WE WENT TO, ALL I ASKED WAS IF WE COULD ASK IF THEY HIRED A CONSULTANT AND IF THEY'D SHARE THEIR INFORMATION WITH US NOT TO DO IT TOGETHER. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA SEND OVER THE SUMMARY TO THEM NOT YEP, THAT'S FINE. 
          ALL I WAS ASKING THOUGH IS, IS COULD, YOU CAN GET A MAP FOR IT. 
          LIKE WHEN WE GET TO THAT ITEM, I'D LIKE YOU JUST WANT A PAPER COPY? YEAH, I MEAN, BECAUSE, BECAUSE I'M GONNA SEND IT IN THE PACKET, BUT YEAH. 
          WELL WHAT GLEN WAS SAYING IS SOMETHING TO BE ENLARGED MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. 
          WE MOVE TO THE CLOSE. 
          YEAH. 
          MAY I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE IN A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES. 
          ONE PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, OR INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY. 
          MORE SPECIFICALLY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. 
          AND TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL. 
          MORE SPECIFICALLY, STORMWATER ISSUES ON WEST COMMONWEALTH DRIVE. 
          AND THREE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A EIGHT OF DAKOTA OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL, MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE INSOLVENCY AND DISPOSITION OF ASSETS, INCLUDING THE AVTEC PROPERTY OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF HER ROYAL, AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY, ROLL CALL. 
          COUNCILMAN WOODS? YES. 
          VICE MAYOR . 
          YES. 
          COUNCIL ? YES. 
          COUNCILMAN DAVENPORT? YES. 
          YES. 
          COUNCILMAN BUR? YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          TWO MINUTES.
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