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THIS IS THE WORK SESSION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL OF APRIL THE SECOND.IT 6:00 PM MS. POTTER, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN NER.
I'M HERE, VICE CHAIRMAN NEIL? I'M HERE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEWLY CERTIFIED MEGAN ZO
[2500051 – An Ordinance Amendment to amend Front Royal Town Code Chapter 175-137 pertaining to Fees, Charges and Expenses and Chapter 148-1100 Fees.]
ITEM NUMBER ONE, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT ON FEES, CHARGES, EXPENSES.DO WE HAVE ANYTHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT WE DID NOT DISCUSS BEFORE? YEAH, THERE'S, GIVE US AN UPDATE.
SO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON THIS ITEM HERE, WHICH WANTS TO GO FIRST.
LET ME JUST, UH, QUICKLY GO OVER THE GENERAL RULES IN STATE LAW FOR FEES.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UM, UM, UH, IT SAYS THERE SHALL BE, UM, A MANDATORY ORDINANCE, UH, FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF SUCH ORDINANCE, NOT INCONSISTENT WITH PROVISIONS CONVEYING THIS CHAPTER.
AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THE IMPOSITION OF REASONABLE FEES AND CHARGES FOR THE REVIEW OF PLATS AND PLANS, AND FOR THE INSPECTION OF FACILITIES REQUIRED BY ANY SUCH ORDINANCE TO BE INSTALLED FOR FEES AND CHARGES.
SUCH FEES AND CHARGES SHALL IN NO INSTANCE EXCEED, EXCEED IN AMOUNT COMMENSURATE WITH THE SERVICES RENDERED, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE TIME, SKILL, AND ADMINISTRATOR'S EXPENSE INVOLVED.
SO THAT'S SUBDIVISION ZONING IS, UH, UM, YOU HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE AN ORDINANCE, UH, FOR THE COLLECTION OF FEES TO COVER THE COST OF MAKING INSPECTIONS, ISSUING PERMITS, ADVERTISING OF NOTICES, AND OTHER EXPENSES INCIDENT TO THE ADMINISTRATION OF A ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, OR TO THE FILING OR PROCESSING OF ANY APPEAL OR AMENDMENT OR TWO.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE STATE TELLS US IN OUR DISCUSSION LAST TIME, HADN'T, WE PRETTY MUCH FOUND THAT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, UH, WENT BELOW.
SO WE CHANGED THE FORMAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
UH, AT YOUR OTHER MEETING LAST MONTH.
UH, STAFF INADVERTENTLY, UH, LEFT OUT ONE PART OF THE CHAPTER.
SO WE DID NOT ADVERTISE THAT CORRECTLY.
THAT'S WHY THAT, UH, WAS PULLED FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE'RE DOING THE FEES OUT OF CHAPTER 1 75, 1 37, AND ALSO OUT OF 1 48, 1100.
THAT'S THE TWO SECTIONS OF THE CODE, UH, THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO CHANGE, UH, FEES AND EXPENSES AND CHARGES.
SO UNDER, UH, 1 7 5 1 37, THAT'S THE ZONING.
SO THESE ARE THE FEES, UH, THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE ASKING OR YOU HAVE REVIEWED TO IMPLEMENT OR TO FORWARD TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR DECISION.
SO, UM, SO THE, THERE ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT FEE WE CHARGE AND THE PROPOSED FEE THAT WE ARE ASKING.
SO WE HAVE THE, UH, UH, BROKEN DOWN.
YOU HAVE, UH, CURRENTLY, AND THE ONE THING THAT WE HAVE CHANGED THAT, UH, WE DO NOT COLLECT FOR BUSINESS LICENSE REVIEW.
SO, UH, WE ISSUE A GOOD MANY, UH, BUSINESS LICENSES, WHICH WE HAVE NOT CHARGED A FEE IN THE PAST.
SO THAT TAKES STAFF TIME AND ALSO COULD INCLUDE SITE VISITS.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE BUSINESS LICENSES, UH, THE PROPOSED BUSINESS LICENSE THAT WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT PARKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITH BASICALLY LIKE CHANGE OF USES OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A FEE TO GO FROM NO CHARGE TO $50, UH, THAT WE HAVE THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS THAT CERTAIN CATEGORIES THERE, UH, THOSE FEES ARE BASICALLY JUST TO COVER ADVERTISING, INCREASE IN, UH, FEES THERE FOR ADVERTISING FOR THOSE THREE AREAS THERE, UH, DOWN TO THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS, THAT'S THROUGH THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
AGAIN, WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE FOR THOSE.
SO THOSE FEE INCREASES TO COVER THOSE COSTS.
UM, A COUPLE OF THOSE HAVE CHANGED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, FINAL INSPECTIONS, UH, REQUEST FOR RE-ADVERTISING, UH, THAT HAS CH STAYED THE SAME.
UH, THEN WE GET TO THE REZONING.
WE HAVE, UH, ASKED FOR AN INCREASE IN THE REZONING, UH, PROPER AMENDMENTS.
UH, THOSE ARE ONE ACRE OR LESS.
UH, THOSE PROPERTIES ARE REZONING OVER ONE ACRE.
UH, WE INCREASE THAT FEE THERE.
UM, SPECIAL USE PERMITS LIKE THE
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ONE WE RECEIVED.WE HAVE TWO SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
WE'RE ASKING FOR, UH, AN INCREASE IN THE FEES THERE.
UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE ON SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UH, WE ALSO ADDRESSED TOWER COMMUNICATIONS, UH, AND WE ALSO DID A ZONING DETERMINATION.
UH, BASICALLY NOW WE DO NOT CHARGE FOR ZONING DETERMINATION.
A GOOD BIT OF OUR TIME IS WHEN PEOPLE STOP IN OR ASK QUESTIONS.
WE GET TO VOTE SOMETIMES A COUPLE HOURS OF OUR TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF ZONING, IF IT IS ALLOWABLE OR NOT.
CURRENTLY, WE'RE ASKING FOR A FEE TO BE FOR $100.
THAT'S FOR ALL THE STAFF TIME.
UM, I THINK WE'RE RUNNING CLOSE TO AROUND 225 WALK-INS PER MONTH.
UH, NOT ALL THOSE ARE ZONING DETERMINATIONS, BUT THOSE ARE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS, UH, ZONING DETERMINATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME FOR STAFF FOR THOSE.
UH, SO WE DO, UH, ZONING PERMITS FOR COMMERCIAL.
WE'RE ASKING THAT TO BE INCREASED FROM A HUNDRED, 1 25.
UH, NEW ZONING, COMMERCIAL UP FROM 100 TO 300, UH, A COUPLE THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND ZONING PERMITS FOR, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UH, INCREASE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AND, UH, LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE ON THE SIGN PERMITS.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU LOOKED AT LAST MONTH IN, IN MARCH.
SO WE JUST PUT THIS CHART TOGETHER.
UH, PROBABLY WHEN IT COMES BEFORE YOU HERE IN TWO WEEKS, WE WON'T HAVE THE EXPLANATION PART OF THAT.
SO THAT WAS JUST FOR YOU TO REVIEW WHY WE ARE CHANGING THOSE THAT YOU REVIEWED HERE IN MARCH.
SO THEN WE GO TO CHAPTER 1 48, 1100 FOR FEES.
WE'RE KEEPING THE SAME, UH, WE ARE PUTTING IN AN INCREASE ON PERFORMANCE BOND RELEASE, PARTIAL OR FULL.
BASICALLY THAT'S WHERE A DEVELOPER PUTS UP A PERFORMANCE BOND ON THE PROJECT.
AND THEY WILL, WE'LL JUST SAY THEY'RE HALFWAY COMPLETE, AND THEY WOULD LIKE STAFF TO GO OUT TO EVALUATE WHAT THEY'RE ASKING TO HAVE THE AMOUNT REDUCED TO.
SO STAFF WOULD'VE TO DO AN INSPECTION ON THAT TO GET THE, A PARTIAL BOND RELEASE.
SO WE'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN THAT.
UH, WE DO A LOT OF RIGHT OF WAY UTILIZATION PERMITS, UM, WITH THAT, SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS WILL GO UP AND WE CHANGE SOME OF THE FEES WITH THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH THOSE, YOU HAVE MINOR AND MAJOR PRELIMINARY PLANS, UH, WHICH WE WILL HAVE ONE COMING UP, MAYBE TWO COMING UP IN MAY.
UH, BUT THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED.
SO THOSE, THOSE WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY THE, UH, PRELIMINARY.
THE INCREASE THAT WE'RE, UH, SEEKING ON THOSE, UH, FINAL PLATS, UH, ACTUALLY FOR A MAJOR WILL STAY THE SAME.
UH, BUT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD INCREASE, UH, THAT A LOT OF TIME THAT REQUIRES FOR THOSE REVIEW OF THOSE PLANS.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED BACK IN MARCH.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN AS WE JUST PUT THE, THE CHARTS TOGETHER.
UH, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, YOU GET REIMBURSED SUBSTANTIALLY, RIGHT? OH, YES.
WE'RE GETTING GOOD IN OUR OLD DAYS.
SO, UH, THE B, CA, UH, ONCE A MONTH, A BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND THE L-B-B-C-A, UH, UH, THOSE FEES THERE, OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL WORK, UH, MEET MORE THAN, UH, OR AT LEAST TWICE A MONTH ON THAT.
SO THOSE FEES ARE, UH, STAYING THE SAME WITH THOSE.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CHARTS? I KNOW WE REVIEWED THAT AT ANOTHER WORK SESSION, OR TWO WORK SESSIONS, ONE IN FEBRUARY AND ONE IN MARCH.
SO WE KIND OF CONDENSED THE CHART DOWN, SEPARATED THOSE FROM THE ZONING OF 1 75 INTO THE SUBDIVISION.
MY ONLY COMMENT IS THAT I LOVE THE FORMAT AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE TIME PUT INTO ALL OF IT.
YEAH, WE HAVE CHANGED, UH, WAY THE, THE FORMAT WORKS NOW IN TOWN CODE IS JUST GRAPHICALLY PRESENTED IN THE CODE, WHICH, UH, STAT FELT THAT THAT WAS A LITTLE CUMBERSOME TO READ.
SO WE, UH, CAME UP WITH THIS CHART IDEA.
SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT, WHETHER TOWN COUNCIL REVIEW THIS, WHATEVER, THEY MAY MAKE SOME CHANGES.
WE'RE ASKING FOR TABLES TO BE ADDED.
SO IT'LL BE SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THESE TABLES HERE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PROPOSED FEE, BUT SOME OF THAT'LL BE BROUGHT OUT.
BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR TABLES TO BE ADDED INSTEAD OF JUST ALL THE WORDING.
UH, IT SEEMS CUMBERSOME FOR PEOPLE TO PICK UP WHAT FEE WE CHARGE FOR THESE.
UH, WE MAY PUT ON THE FEE SCHEDULE, WE'LL PROBABLY PUT, UH, WE'LL MAKE A STAFF, UM, CHEAT SHEET, SO TO SPEAK, SO WE CAN EXPLAIN ON THE SIDE, UH, HOW THESE WOULD FIT FOR THE APPLICATION.
SO SOMEONE WOULD KNOW WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A, UH, MINOR SUBDIVISION AND A MAJOR SUBDIVISION.
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PROBABLY PUT AN EXPLANATION OVER ON THE STAFF'S PART SO WHEN SOMEONE COME, SOMEONE COMES IN, WE WOULD KNOW, UH, WHAT FEE TO CHARGE THEM WITH THAT BASED ON THE LOT SIZES AND STUFF.SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING WITH THAT.
WHEN IT COMES, UH, WE'RE HOPING TOWN COUNCIL WILL TAKE AN INITIATIVE TO PASS THIS IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK THIS, WE, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE WENT THROUGH THIS BEFORE AND WE, WE WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF TESTING SOME OF THE NUMBERS TO GO THROUGH AND, AND DID THE DILIGENCE THERE.
AND AS MR. BROOKS SAID AT THE TIME, NOW CLEARLY YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING
SO, UM, SO WE'LL BRING THIS UP, UH, LIKE I SAID, IN TWO WEEKS, BUT WE'LL, UH, IN THAT WE'LL PROBABLY TAKE SOME EXPLANATION PART OUT OF THE, UH, UH, YEAH, PART OF THE A, UH, FOR THE STAFF REPORT.
UH, THIS IS JUST FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW WHY WE'RE MAKING THESE CHANGES THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS.
IT'LL BE IN THE FORMAT THAT'S GONNA BE IN OUR ORDINANCE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IT'LL BE A TABLE, WE'LL, WE'LL DRESS UP A TABLE, UH, SEPARATING THESE, UH, WITH THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? UH, LIKE I SAID, WE DISCUSSED THAT FOR TWO OTHER WORK SESSIONS.
NOTHING NEW, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT ON THE FORMATTING BACK AND FORTH.
[2500062 – A Zoning Text Amendment to Town Code Chapter 175-12.1 to allow lodging houses by Special Use Permit in the R-1 zoning district. ]
ARE YOU READY FOR NEXT ITEM 2, 5 0 0 0 6 2 LEARNING TEXT AMENDMENT WHILE LAUNCHING HOUSES BY SUPR ONE MR. WAY? OR YOU GOT ME ON THIS ONE? I GOT YOU ON THIS ONE.BASICALLY, UH, THE APPLICANT HAD SUBMITTED A STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET.
THEY LISTED OUT, I THINK, FIVE OR SIX REASONS AS TO WHY THEY FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE.
UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT YOU, YOU'VE DISCUSSED IT HERE, BUT YOU MAY WANNA JUST MOVE THAT ONE ALONG BECAUSE THE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT ABOUT ALTERNATIVE HOUSING, I THINK JUST NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION, SEPARATE ITEM FROM WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, UM, WITH THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION OR THAT REQUEST.
SO WE HAVE AN APPLICATION AND WE, WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT SINCE IT'S ALREADY WAS SUBMITTED.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS A TIMELINE TO TAKE ACTION.
SO, UH, WE, UH, WE HAVE TO DO, YES.
SO TRYING TO, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SOME OTHER, UH, MR. NEIL, WE TAKE IT UPON THE, TO COME UP WITH SOME OTHER DEFINITIONS IN THE FUTURE THAT CAN BE ADOPTED THAT WE'LL DISCUSS LATER.
BUT WE HAVE TO MOVE THIS APPLICATION FORWARD AND, AND THIS, THIS WAS KIND OF A LEARNING PROCESS YES, TOO, AS WE WENT THROUGH, BECAUSE THERE WAS A BIT OF CONFUSION.
WE, WE GOT THIS VERY SPARTAN TWO LINE THING.
WE, WE, WE, WE MOVED IT FORWARD, MORE INFORMATION CAME IN.
SO, SO IT BROUGHT BACK, SO IN A, IF, UH, IN A PERFECT WORLD WE SEE ANOTHER TWO LINE APPLICATION, WE PROBABLY SHOULD JUST SAY NO, BRING US MORE INFORMATION SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
BUT, BUT WITH THIS ONE, AND YOU'RE CORRECT, IT DOES NOT, IT KIND OF CONTRADICTS THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT.
WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO TOWN COUNCIL THAT THEY MAY BE AMEND OR JUST STRIKE THAT PORTION IF THEY WANT TO APPROVE IT OR WHATEVER THEY WANNA DO.
THEY CAN ALWAYS CHANGE THAT INTENT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
AND, AND, AND STILL FROM WHAT THEY SUBMITTED AFTERWARDS, STILL WOULD'VE THE SAME, I BELIEVE THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD IN OUR DISCUSSION BEFORE WE EVEN SAW IT.
AND LIKE I SAID, BUT IT DID SPUR, UM, A WHOLE SERIES OF OTHER WORK AFTERWARDS.
BUT IF WE COME TO A CONCLUSION WITH, YOU KNOW, THE ALTERNATIVE HOUSING SECTION OF THE AGENDA, WE COULD ALSO RECOMMEND A TOWN COUNSELING JUST TO SUBSTITUTE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, THIS IS A SEPARATE APPLICATION ON ITS OWN.
SO THIS, OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS EITHER UP OR DOWN.
SO THIS ONE YOU, YOU'RE JUST MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION, COUNSEL'S MAKING THE FINAL DECISION.
SO MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION HOW YOU SEE FIT YEAH.
ULTIMATELY, HOPEFULLY SOMETHING GOOD COMES OUT OF THIS.
MS. HENRY, GETTING A QUESTION.
UM, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT HOW THIS RELATES TO ALL THE OTHER WORK FOR THE ALTERNATE HOUSING THAT ALTERNATE TOTALLY UNRELATED.
SO YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, NUMBER 62 FOR A ZONING TAX AMENDMENT.
AND THEN THAT'S ONE WITH THE SIX POINTS ABOUT SAYING, THIS IS WHY WE THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I FELT THAT WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I I, I DIDN'T FIND, I DIDN'T THINK THAT SOME OF THOSE ITEMS WERE, ARE NECESSARILY RELEVANT.
WELL, AND IT ALSO FELT LIKE THEY WERE ASKING FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.
THAT DIDN'T, UM, LIKE NUMBER TWO DIDN'T FIT.
UM, NUMBER TWO WAS KIND ONLY ECONOMIC GROWTH.
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BUT, UM, THAT'S A, IT'S, IT'S MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE IT TO COUNCIL.WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHO WILL COME IN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS TOO, AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE.
SO THE ONE THING THAT I WAS WONDERING, I MEAN, I QUICKLY WENT OUT AND DID SOME RESEARCH ON IMPACTS OF LODGING HOUSES ON LOCAL COMMUNITIES AND FOR EVERYTHING THAT, UM, MR. HE PUT HERE AS A PLUS, IT'S ALSO THERE AS A NEGATIVE, LIKE ALSO INCREASED RISK OF INFECTIONS OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, AND ONE THING THAT JUST STRUCK ME, I WAS LIKE, WELL, WHAT, WHY DID IT, WHY DOES IT SAY IN THE, IN THE CODE TO EXCLUDE LODGING HOUSES? DO WE KNOW THE REASON FOR THAT BEING IN THE ORDINANCE ORIGINALLY, TRADITIONALLY IN THOSE LIKE R ONE, THOSE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONES, IT, IT WAS RESIDENTIAL ONLY.
IT WAS LIKE SINGLE FAMILY ONLY.
SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST TRADITIONAL EUCLIDEAN ZONING, BUT, UM, IN A SOMEWHAT DENSELY DEVELOPED TOWN, THAT'S WHAT THE FLIGHT COMMISSION HERE TO DETERMINE.
I MEAN, IS IT, WELL, WE CAN REALLY GET APPROPRIATE TO HAVE LODGING HOUSES IN AN R ONE.
WELL, WE CAN GET INTO WHAT'S APPROPRIATE WHEN WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION DOWN HERE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE GET INTO, WE OPEN UP THE BIGGER QUESTION SHELTERS AND ALTERNATIVES, BECAUSE THAT'LL BE YEAH.
BUT THIS STANDALONE THING IS, IS IS STILL LOOKING AT AS A STAND, SORRY, YEAH.
LOOKING AS A STANDALONE, NOT, NOT CONFUSING IT WITH THE OTHER RESEARCH, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHERE, LIKE THE PROBLEMS YOU'RE SAYING GOING IN AND THEN WE HEAR, YEAH.
SO IN LOOKING AT THIS ONE, UH, YES.
YOU KNOW, THERE OF COURSE IS THE ASPECT OF, YOU KNOW, MOBILE HOMES OR ROOMING HOMES ARE PROHIBITED, RIGHT? THERE'S AN EXPLICIT THING THERE.
THE OTHER ASPECT OF, OF THE INTENT IS PROMOTING AND ENCOURAGING A SUITABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR FAMILY LIFE WHERE THERE ARE CHILDREN PROVIDE AREAS OF SUITABLE EXPANSION, SUCH AS FACILITIES, ET CETERA, AND PROHIBITED COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.
SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, HAVING HOMES THAT ARE GONNA HAVE QUICK TURNOVER, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND OF OR FLAVOR OF TURNOVER THAT IS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FITS WITH THE FULL STATEMENT OF INTENT, ASIDE FROM JUST THE, THE PROHIBITION, UH, ITSELF.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT SURE.
I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK AS WELL, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, AND I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT COMING BACK WITH, HERE'S ALL THESE REASONS.
THAT'S DEFINITELY, IT'S, IT'S THOROUGH.
UM, BUT TAKING IN THE BROADEST OF STROKES WHEN YOU, ACROSS ALL THE CATEGORIES, I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT, THAT IT DOESN'T SIT VERY WELL.
MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, SO, UH, FOLLOWING PUBLIC HEARING, UM, WHETHER THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OR REJECTION OF THE AMENDMENT, I THINK THE COMMISSION SHOULD MAKE A FINDING, UH, WITH RESPECT TO MAGIC AREAS IN STATE LAW, WHICH ARE, UM, THIS IS REGARDING AMENDING THE TEXT, UH, PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE, OR GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
COULD YOU REPEAT THOSE PLEASE? SO, AGAIN, I THINK COUNT THE, THE COMMISSION SHOULD CITE ONE OR MORE OF, OF THE FOLLOWING, PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, GENERAL WELFARE OR GOOD ZONING PRACTICE IN, IN, IN, UH, IN THE RECOMMENDATION WHETHER, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT OR TO REJECT.
IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE AS 15.2, 2286, PARAGRAPH SEVEN.
AND THEN 2286, THAT'S PARAGRAPH SEVEN.
PERHAPS I'LL PUT THAT ON, UH, PRESENTATION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR YOU.
YOU MIGHT NEED TO DISCUSS THIS ANY FURTHER.
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THANK YOU.SO WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SEVEN TWO
SO NOW WE HAVE, UH, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, REQUEST, UH, FOR A LODGING HOUSE AT 5 0 6 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE, IDENTIFIED TEX MAP 28 5, SECTION SEVEN, BLOCK 18, LOTS, THREE AND FOUR.
IT IS IN THE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT, AND IT IS LOCATED IN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.
UH, SO, UH, YOU WILL HEAR ME REPEAT THIS QUITE OFTEN ON THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
UH, SO THE PUBLIC IS INFORMED HOW YOU MAKE A DECISION ON SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
SO THE GOVERNING BODY IS AUTHORIZED TO GRANT SPECIAL USE PERMITS UNDER SUITABLE REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS.
THAT'S BASED ON THE VIRGINIA CODE.
UH, UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, THE CONDITIONS IMPOSED, IF YOU AS A PLANNING COMMISSION ARE IMPOSING CONDITIONS, THEY MUST BEAR A REASONABLE RELATIONSHIP TO THE LEGITIMATE LAND USE CONCERNS AND PROBLEMS GENERATED BY THE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, SPECIAL USE PERMITS SHALL DEMONSTRATE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF ESTABLISHING THE SPECIAL USE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHY EACH SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS BASED ON ITS OWN MERIT.
UH, TYPICAL STANDARDS FOR THESE ARE THE IMPACT OF THE SPECIAL USE ON THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT, THE IMPACT OF THE SPECIAL USE ON THE WELFARE OF THE LANDOWNERS AND THE OCCUPANTS OF THE LAND, WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OTHER FACTORS YOU COULD, SHOULD CONSIDER OR MAY CONSIDER, IS THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY, THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC, AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND DO WE HAVE THAT TEXT HERE, OR COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? THOSE, THOSE FOUR OR FIVE THINGS THAT YOU'RE ENUMERATING HERE? UH, YES.
SO IT'S THE IMPACT OF THE SPECIAL USE ON THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT.
THE IMPACT OF THE SPECIAL USE ON THE WELFARE OF THE LANDOWNERS AND OCCUPANTS OF THE LAND IN THE DISTRICT ON THE WELFARE OF LANDOWNERS AND OCCUPANTS IN THE DISTRICT.
AND WHETHER IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THOSE ARE THE MAIN THREE CATEGORIES.
AND YOU MAY CONSIDER THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.
NOW, UH, SPECIAL USES OR CONDITIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN, UH, PROFFERS OR REZONING.
THOSE ARE TOTALLY TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
SO THAT'S HOW YOU SHOULD MAKE A DECISION.
AND THEN YOU'LL HEAR ME REPEAT WHEN I ASK YOU OR MAKE A STATEMENT.
YOU HAD TO DETERMINE IS THIS SUITABLE FOR THE LAND USE.
UH, SO THAT'S WITH ANY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO HERE ON THIS, UH, 1 75, 39 C ONE, UH, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED, AND UNDER MISCELLANEOUS 1 39, 1 75, 39 B, UH, BOARDING HOUSES, CLUBS, AND LODGING HOUSES.
SO THAT IS PERMITTED WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, SO UNDER OUR CODE, A LODGING HOUSE, THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING OTHER THAN A MO HOTEL MOTEL OR BED AND BREAKFAST HOME WHERE LODGING IS PROVIDED FOR COMPENSATION ON A REGULAR BASIS PURSUANT OF PREVIOUS ARRANGEMENTS, BUT IT'S, WHICH IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR TRANSIENT.
YES, MEALS MAY BE PROVIDED TO RESIDENTS IN A CENTRAL LOCATION, HOWEVER, NO PROVISION SHALL BE MADE FOR COOKING IN INDIVIDUAL ROOMS OR UNITS IN THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ROOMS OR UNITS SHALL BE CONTROLLED BY THE AREA REQUIREMENTS OF THE DISTRICT, WHICH IS LOCATED.
BUT IN NO CASE SHALL THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LODGING ROOMS OR UNITS EXCEED 10.
SO A LODGING HOUSE IS ALSO KNOWN AS A ROOMING HOUSE OR BOARDING HOUSE BASED ON OUR DEFINITIONS.
SO THIS IS OUT OF TOWN CODE 1 75 3.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A LODGING HOUSE.
UH, SO WHEN WE DO A CHANGE OF USE 1 7 5 1 0 4, WHEN YOU DO A CHANGE OF USE, IT IS REQUIRED THAT YOU MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
RIGHT? SO OUT OF 1 48, 8 70 OUT OF PARKING AND LOADING AREAS, A, UH, TWO LODGING AND BOARDING, UH, BED AND BREAKFAST REQUIRE ONE PARKING SPACE PER ROOM, AND ADDITIONAL TWO FOR SPACES FOR EMPLOYEES.
SO WITH THE SPECIAL USE, THEY'RE DOING A CHANGE OF USE.
AND SO IT REQUIRES THAT THEY MEET
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THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.SO THERE'S THE, UH, OVERALL GIS AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY, UH, LOCATED THERE AT 5 0 6 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
AND WE'LL TAKE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE PROPERTY, OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
UH, SO THEY DO HAVE POTENTIALLY, SO IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY HAVE FOUR ROOMS, WHICH REQUIRE EACH ROOM REQUIRES A PARKING SPACE AND TWO FOR EMPLOYEES.
SO THEY ARE PROPOSING SIX PARKING SPACES.
SO THEY DO NOT HAVE PARKING FOR SIX ON SITE PRESENTLY.
SO YOU MAY WANNA MAKE A CONDITION ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH WE WILL PUT IN THE STAFF REPORT AS ONE OF THE PARTS OF THE CONDITION THAT THEY ARE, YOU'RE GONNA REQUIRE THEM TO INSTALL THE PARKING PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, SO THEY, WE HAVE TO HAVE PARKING HERE.
THEY DON'T HAVE PARKING, BUT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ADD A PARKING LOT IN THERE WITH THE SIX SPACES.
DOES THAT, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT? KIND OF FOLLOWING MY LINE OF THINKING HERE.
SO YOU MAY WANNA, UH, WE WILL PROBABLY PUT ON THE STAFF REPORT A MOTION WITH ONE OF THESE CONDITIONS.
SO YOU NEED TO EVALUATE, UH, WITH THE APPLICATION YOU RECEIVED, IF YOU NEED TO, IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING ANY OTHER, UH, CONDITIONS WITH YOUR MOTIONS.
BUT ONE STAT'S GONNA RECOMMEND IS THE PARKING.
UM, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND WHAT THEY'RE, UH, INTENDED.
WELL, IT'S UNDER LODGING HOUSE, UH, BUT IT'S, UH, BASED ON WHAT THE APPLICANT, THEY DID SIT, SUBMIT A, UH, STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION WITH THAT, UH, OUTLINING WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND FOR THE HOUSING ON THERE, UM, YOU'VE PROBABLY COUNT QUESTIONS, FOUR ROOMS OR SIX BED WOMAN'S RECOVERY.
SO IT'S ONE PARKING SPACE PER ROOM PER ROOM, NOT PER RESIDENT, CORRECT? YES.
THE PARKING IS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ROOMS, NOT ON THE OCCUPANTS, THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN.
SO THEIR APPLICATION IS FOR FOUR ROOMS AND TWO EMPLOYEES, WHICH THEY MEET THAT WITH THE PROPOSED PARKING MS, WHERE JOHN PAT HAD ASKED THEM SOME QUESTIONS TOO, AND THIS, IT DID MAKE IT INTO THE STANDARD PACKAGE.
AND I KNOW IT WAS FORWARDED TO EVERYBODY ON, ON THE BOARD.
UM, I DID MAKE A HARD, I HAVE SOME, YEAH, I DID MAKE A HARD COPY IF ANYBODY WANTS THAT.
I HAVE A PRINT OUT A FEW TOO, IF ANYBODY HASN'T SEEN IT AND WANTED TO LOOK AT BRIEFLY.
THAT WAS A VERY, VERY THOROUGH, YEAH, THERE WAS, I WAS PLEASED WITH ANSWER TERM WAS THAT HE HAD ASKED HIM ALL THERE.
I DIDN'T, NO, I HAVE THAT HISTORY QUESTION, JOHN.
IS THIS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD AN APPLICATION FOR A WOMEN'S, UH, FACILITY LIKE THIS? I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A MEN'S ONE A LONG TIME, BUT THIS IS NO, THERE'S, THERE'S, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE THIRD ONE.
I'M TOLD THIS BE THE THIRD ONE IN OPERATION OF, OF WOMEN.
WELL, THIS, THEY'RE CHANGING THE ONE THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT IS WOMEN TO MEN BECAUSE IT'S LARGER AND THEY'RE GONNA USE THIS ONE FOR WOMEN IN THE HOUSES.
BUT WE PREPARED WOMEN, BUT THEY'VE DONE THAT ONCE.
WE APPROVED WOMEN'S, I THINK THE MEN TOO.
WE'VE DONE ONE WOMAN AND ONE MAN.
SO THIS WILL BE THE SECOND ONE.
THE FIRST ONE WAS FOR A MAN'S UNIT.
AND THEN WHEN THEY OPENED THE ONE, UM, AT THE CORNER OF RURAL AVENUE AND SOUTH STREET, THEY MOVED, UM, THE MEN TO THAT ONE AND MADE THE ORIGINAL ONE TO WOMEN.
ALL ON JOE, I HAVE A QUESTION UNRELATED TO THIS ACTUAL BACK, BACK UP ABOUT FOUR SLIDES WHERE YOU HAD THAT CODE OF THE DEFINITION OF LODGING HOUSE THERE.
IF SOMEBODY HAS GRANDMA LIVING IN THE BASEMENT AND PUTS IN A LITTLE REFRIGERATOR AND A COOKING AREA FOR HER, DOES THAT MAKE IT A BLUNTING HOUSE? WELL,
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YOU, WE'D HAVE TO CHECK THE ZONING IN THE R ONES.R ONE, R ONE, UH, IF YOU THINK IN THE R ONE ONE MEANS ONE, ONE DWELLING UNIT.
SO THOSE, WE DO GET APPLICATIONS OR PEOPLE WANTING TO CONVERT THE BASEMENT TO ANOTHER DWELLING UNIT.
THOSE ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE R ONE R TWO DISTRICT.
IF YOU THINK R TWO MEANS TWO, YOU CAN DO A, WHAT THE CODE REFERS TO IS A TWO FAMILY DWELLING.
A DWELLING UNIT HAS TO HAVE INDEPENDENT COOKING AND SLEEPING FACILITIES THERE.
SO IN THE R TWO, YOU CAN HAVE TWO DWELLING UNITS IN A STRUCTURE.
BUT THE R ONE EXCLUSIVELY IS FOR ONE, ONE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT? NO, WE DO NOT PERMIT, UH, CONVERSIONS OF BASEMENTS, UH, THAT HAVE INDEPENDENT COOKING AND SLEEPING FACILITIES IN THERE.
SO PART DON'T HAPPEN IN IRON ONE.
THAT'S HOW THE CODE IS WRITTEN.
THAT'S HOW THE CODE IS WRITTEN.
JUST SO SOMEONE THAT R ONE, JUST THINK ONE AND ONE ONLY.
UH, WE DO GET, WE HAVE APPROVED SOME FOR CONVERSIONS IN R TWO, UH, DISTRICT RECENTLY, AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE CAME IN FOR THE R ONE, WHICH WE TELL THEM THAT THE CODE DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO DO A CONVERSION.
WE'RE INDEPENDENT COOKING AND SEED FACILITIES.
OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN RENOVATE, WE RENOVATE THEIR BASEMENT AND HAD BEDROOMS FOR SOMETHING FOR, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR FAMILY.
BUT NO INDEPENDENT COOKING AND SLEEPING FACILITIES, LAW APARTMENTS, DWELLING UNITS AS THE CODE IS DEFINED.
THIS PROPERTY ITSELF, WHERE IT'S SITTING IT AS NEXT DOOR TO IT IS A LAW OFFICE ACROSS THE SPEED.
OH, MISSED BEHIND IT IS RESIDENTIAL.
MY QUESTION WAS TOTALLY UNDER.
AND, AND IT IS ACTUALLY A LARGE LOT.
SIX, SIX PARKING PLACES IS NOT A CONCERN.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CLEANING UP THE JUNK AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND THE ALLEYWAY BACK THERE IS ACTUALLY IS, IS VERY WELL PAVED.
I LIVE A BLOCK AWAY FROM THIS PLACE, BLOCK AND HALF OR TAKE.
UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, ACCESSING EVEN LIKE SOME OF THE ALLEYWAYS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CAN BE PRETTY HARD TO GET THROUGH.
THIS ONE IS ALWAYS REALLY CLEAN.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUE THAT WAY FROM JUST, YOU KNOW, A BROADER STANDPOINT OF EVEN GETTING TO THESE PARKING SPACES.
IT'S NOT THAT THAT'D NECESSARILY BE RELEVANT, BUT, UM, THIS AS A NOTE, IF NOTHING ELSE QUESTION.
AND, AND I BELIEVE THE CONCERNS OF THE QUESTIONS WERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHAT OBJECTIONS MAY THEY RAISE? AND THAT WAS WHAT THE QUESTIONS HOPEFULLY WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS THAT WOULD COME BACK.
SO AS WE GO TO THE FINAL MEETING, THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE RECORD.
DO WE KNOW IF A DECISION HAS BEEN MADE ON THEIR REQUEST TO WAIVE THE FEE? UH, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF IRRELEVANT TO THE APPLICATION COUNSEL.
ADMINISTRATIVELY, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
NOW THE ANSWERS WERE ALL VERY GOOD AND VERY MUCH WHAT I WOULD VE WHEN THEY COME BEFORE US, BEFORE NEIGHBORS CAME AND SPOKE ABOUT WHAT GREAT NEIGHBORS THEY WERE.
AND I KNOW THE, THE LAW, THIS NEXT DOOR WAS ALL, ALL INVOLVED, ALL EXCITED.
THEY, THEY'RE INVOLVED HEAVILY WITH THE COURTS AND THE COURT SUPERVISION.
I MEAN, THERE'S, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? OKAY.
NOW WE GET TO MOVE ON TO THE FORMER TOWN HALL.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER MARRAZZO AND THEN WENT FOR THE TRAINING AND GOT THEIR CERTIFICATION, UH, KIND OF EXPERIENCED FROM, UH, HOW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HOLD WORK SESSIONS AND, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO, UH, I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF EYEOPENING THAT SOME LOCALITIES DO NOT DO A WORK SESSION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, I HAVE NO IDEA.
SO BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION, AND WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, WE TRY TO PUT THE CODE UP AS RELEVANT FOR THESE PROJECTS.
SO NOT TRYING TO BE REDUNDANT, BUT SINCE THESE ARE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, WE HAVE TO, THE PUBLIC HAS TO UNDERSTAND WHY, FOR EXAMPLE, SPECIAL USE PERMITS CAN BE PERMITTED AND IF YOU PLACE CONDITIONS ON THOSE.
SO WE TRY TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH ALL OF THESE.
SO, UH, EVERY TIME WE HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE WILL PUT THE CODE UP FOR, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE APPLICABLE CODE, UH, THAT WE HAVE.
SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS HOW THESE COME FORWARD.
AND YOU HAVE THE WORK SESSION TO
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DISCUSS THAT.BUT WE WILL BRING SOME OF THIS INFORMATION UP AGAIN AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO NOT TRYING TO, UH, UH, BROWN BEACH WITH THE INFORMATION.
IT'S SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND IT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
WHAT IS, IS THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR ARE, UH, THE ENTRANCE CORE IS, OR IS THAT SEGMENT OF, UH, NORTH ROYAL AND SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE, BASICALLY FROM THE BRIDGES AS YOU COME INTO TOWN, PROGRESSING SOUTH ALL THE WAY TO ER ROAD AT THE, UH, SEVEN 11.
SO ANY BUSINESSES LO LOCATED ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT STREET IS IN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.
ALL THAT IS AN ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS AUTHORITY, UH, WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR FOR CERTAIN, UH, NEW BUILDINGS, THE GROUND MOUNTED SIGNS AND A FEW OTHER THINGS, THEY HAD TO COME BEFORE YOU WITHIN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT CORRIDOR THAN OTHER, OTHER AREAS.
IT'S NOT THE SAME AS HISTORIC DISTRICT, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S TWO SEPARATE OVERLAYS.
BUT IF IT, IF IT NEEDS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ALSO INTERIM FOUR OR HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERRIDES THOSE RULES.
SO YOU ALWAYS GO TO THE STRICTER.
SO, UH, SO THIS IS A PERMIT 25 0 0 100.
THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ALSO, BUT FOR ANO A DIFFERENT USE, UH, THAT'S LOCATED AT 16 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 28 5, SECTION 11, LOCK 15.
UH, SO IT IS IN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT, AND IT ALSO IS LOCATED WITHIN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.
SO AGAIN, UH, UNDER 1 48, UH, 1 75, 48 IN THE C TWO, UNDER A UNDER ORGANIZATION, UH, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR SCHOOLS.
SO AGAIN, WE GET CHANGE OF USE.
SO WITH THAT CHANGE OF USE, UH, IT REQUIRES THE PARKING.
SO 1 48, 8 70, UNDER PARKING UNDER A TWO UNDER PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS FOR THE PARKING, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE PARKING SPACE PER, PER, PER EMPLOYEE, PLUS THE PARKING SPACE FOR SCHOOL AUDITORIUMS AS NOTED ABOVE.
SO THEN WHEN YOU GO BACK UP IN THE COVE FOR CHURCHES, THEATERS, AND OTHER ASSEMBLY BUILDINGS AND AUDITORIUMS, THEY HAVE TO FURNISH ONE PARKING SPACE EITHER FOR FOUR FIXED SEATS OR ONE PER 100 NET SQUARE FEET OF THE BUILDING.
SO THEY HAVE TO DETERMINE, UH, WHICH ONE THEY WANNA MEET THE PARKING REGULATIONS ON THIS.
UH, SO, UM, PART OF YOUR, UH, WITH THE APPLICATION, OUR CODE UNDER 1 48, 8 70 A ON PARKING AREAS, FOUR A FOUR, UH, IF THEY CANNOT, IF A BUSINESS CANNOT MEET THE PARKING ON SITE, THAT REGULATION ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE OFF STREET PARKING AREAS, UH, WITHIN 300 FOOT WALKING DISTANCE.
SO THEY CAN SECURE PARKING AGREEMENT WITH ANOTHER BUSINESS.
AS LONG AS THAT PARKING AREA IS WITHIN 300 FOOT OF THE BUSINESS, THE APPLICANT'S BUSINESS, BUT THEY CANNOT MEET THAT ON SITE.
OUR CODE DOES ALLOW THEM TO SEEK ALTERNATIVE OR ADDITIONAL PARKING, UH, OFFSITE.
SO SOMETIMES THAT GETS BROUGHT UP.
UH, SOME BUSINESSES, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, CAN'T MEET THE PARKING, BUT THEN THEY CAN'T GET AN WRITTEN AGREEMENT WITH EACH 300 FOOT, UH, WITH THAT.
SO THAT WAS A PART OF YOUR APPLICATION.
THEY DID SECURE A LETTER, UH, THAT THEY HAD, UH, COULD, UM, HAVE PARKING, UH, RESERVED FROM ANOTHER BUSINESS, BUT THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY AT THAT POINT AND BE COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CHAPTER.
SO THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY A CONTINGENCY OR A CONDITION, I SHOULD SAY, ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO YOU COULD APPROVE THE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ON YOUR MOTION, BUT PLACE THE CONDITION ON THERE.
'CAUSE NOW WE KNOW THEY DO NOT NEED THE ONSITE PARKING.
IS THAT KIND OF, IF YOU, IF YOU FOLLOW ALONG.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE OTHER ONE FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THEY HAVE PARKING AVAILABLE, BUT THEY HAVE NOT INSTALLED IT.
THIS SITE DOES NOT HAVE PARKING.
ENOUGH PARKING, BUT OUR CODE ALLOWS THEM TO LEASE PARKING.
SO THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU PUTTING, WE WOULD PUT IN THE MOTION
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FOR APPROVAL FOR, FOR EXAMPLE.THAT THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE DOCUMENT THAT THAT HAD BEEN, OTHER THAN SAYING IT HAD BEEN WHY THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN TO THE ATTORNEY FOR APPROVAL.
WELL, IS IT JUST WE'RE IN THE PROCESS.
SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE DENIED BY TOWN COUNSEL, THEY WOULD BE NO REASON TO HAVE A PARKING AGREEMENT OFFSITE FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
SO I GUESS THAT'S A REAL QUESTION.
WHEN DO THEY GET THAT PERMISSION? PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO YOU PLACE THAT UP ON CONDITION, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WOULD FORWARD THAT TO TOWN COUNSEL AND WE'LL JUST ASSUME IT GETS APPROVED.
SO THEY SHOULD MAKE THE MOTION WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THIS RETENTION OF OFF STREET PARKING.
WE WOULD NOT ISSUE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT UNTIL THEY GET THE AGREEMENT IN WRITING AND APPROVED BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
THEY GET THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BRING IT BACK TO TOWN COUNTY.
THEY DON'T, NO, THEY DON'T GET, I DON'T SIGN THE PIECE OF PAPER GIVING THEM THE PERMIT UNTIL THEY HAVE THAT AGREEMENT.
WELL, I'M SAYING, BUT IT'S AFTER THE TOWN COUNCIL SAYS, OKAY.
AFTER THE TOWN COUNCIL SAYS, OKAY.
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN THEY DO IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
THEY WOULD BRING THE AGREEMENT IN, UH, OUR TOWN ATTORNEY WOULD REVIEW IT TO SEE IF IT MEETS ALL THE CONDITIONS.
UH, IF IT DOES, THEN WE WOULD OPT BE AUTHORIZED AT THAT POINT WITH THE, THE AGREEMENT ATTACHED TO THE APPLICATION TO APPROVE THAT.
I DIDN'T, SO THIS LETTER PROCESS IS NOT SUFFICIENTLY DETAILED.
AND WITH THE CONDITION, ONCE YOU HAVE THAT CONDITION IN PLACE, THEY FAIL TO MEET IT, THEN THE SEP GOES AWAY.
THAT'S WHERE YOU, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REVOKE IT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE AN ONGOING CONDITION.
THAT THEY HAVE TO RETAIN PARKING, WHICH HERE, WHICH MAKES COMPLETE SENSE.
SO TIED IN THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE THIS SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD THAT, UH, THE WRITTEN AGREEMENT, THEY DID NOT WISH TO REMOVE THAT OR WHATEVER.
THEY STILL HAD TO MEET THE PARKING.
UH, SO THERE'S, UH, THE AERIAL OVERALL VIEW FROM THE COUNTY GIS THERE, 16 NORTH WALL AVENUE, UH, PROBABLY SHOULD BE QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THIS BUILDING HERE IN TOWN.
THE OLD, UH, THE OLD TOWN HALL.
UM, SO THEY DO HAVE SOME PARKING ON SITE, UH, BASED ON THE, UH, SURVEY PLAQUE THERE.
SO THEY DO HAVE A FEW PARKING SPACES ON SITE.
SO THEY WOULD EITHER AT SOME POINT DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF FIXED SEATS WITHIN THE BUILDING, OR USE THE NET SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING, UH, DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR THEM TO HAVE A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THAT WOULD MAKE THIS APPROPRIATE.
UM, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, SO THE OTHER ONE, THEY HAD PARKING ON SITE WHEN THIS ONE DOES NOT.
BUT AGAIN, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHERE YOU CAN PLACE CONDITIONS, UH, ON THE MOTION.
UM, ARE WE, UH, WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS? THERE'S SOME OTHER INFORMATION OBVIOUSLY IN YOUR PACKET AND WE JUST BRIEFLY
UH, SO THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IMPACT TO THIS AREA, UM, IS THERE ANY, OH, I GUESS IS STUDENTS AROUND TO GET DROPPED OFF AND THE TRACK AREA ALREADY GETS KIND OF BAD DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME OF DAY YOU'RE THERE? UM, YOU KNOW, I, IT, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING, AND MAYBE I MISSED IT, IF SO, BUT I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE TRANSPORTING STUDENTS TO THIS SCHOOL, UM, SHOULD THEY GET IT.
UH, THEY DID, UH, BRIEFLY OUTSIDE LINE SOMETHING, UH, WITHIN THE APPLICATION, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
WITH THEIR, UH, STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION.
UH, AND IT IN A THREE, UH, PACKET OR LETTER USE OF THE BUILDING WILL POTENTIALLY, THAT CONGESTION, UH, COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE WOULD BE A LARGER BURDEN.
WE INTEND TO CAUSE AS LITTLE IMPACT AS POSSIBLE AND HAVE ESTABLISHED A TRACK RECORD, UM, STRUCTURE PARKING AND TRAFFIC FLOW PATTERNS IS WHAT THEY DID OVER WORK AT ST.
THERE'S NOT, IS THERE SPACE ON THE ROADS AROUND IT TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO, TO STRUCTURE TRAFFIC FLOW? UH, I LIKE, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REALLY COMMONLY USED AREA BY EVERYBODY.
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THE FACT THAT THE STUDENTS ARE 13 YEARS OLD AND UP, MAYBE THEY'RE ASSUMING THAT STUDENTS CAN WALK 300 FEET FOR THE ONES THAT EITHER HAVE OLDER SIBLINGS OR ARE 16 AND HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE AND HAVE A CAR AVAILABLE FOR THEMSELVES.WELL, BUT IF THE PARENTS CAN DROP TO WALK 300 FEET AWAY, THEY CAN WALK, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE APPLICANTS IF WE WANT 'EM ASK, WELL, THEY CAN ASK QUESTIONS HERE BE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE ASSUMPTION, THE ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THE DROP OFF WOULD HAVE TO BE BEHIND THE BUILDING ON THAT ALLEYWAY IS THE ASSUMPTION.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE HAVE TO ASK THEM WHEN, WHEN THE TIME COMES.
BUT, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT WAS THE SAME QUESTION I WROTE DOWN ON HOW THAT WAS GONNA, HOW THEY PICK UP AND DROP OFF THE STUDENTS' GOING TO OCCUR.
IF THEY'RE HERE, THEY KNOW OUR CONCERN
I MEAN, I, I MEAN, I THINK THE LETTER ITSELF IS, IS WELL DONE.
LIKE THE LITTLE NOTE, YOU KNOW, IT'S CITING THE COMP PLAN.
UM, AND I'LL, I GUESS I'LL WONDER BECAUSE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND EVERYTHING, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING BEING UPKEPT IS, IS GOOD.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY THINGS ARE ARE SET UP THERE.
I I, I THINK MY CONCERN IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO, UH, ONCE SCHOOL GETS OUT, ARE THEY JUST GONNA FLOOD THE MAIN STREET? 'CAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, THAT'S WHAT WE DID, WENT TO THE SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE STREET WHEN SCHOOL GOT OUT.
UM, COFFEE SHOPS WOULD SHOPS WOULD BE SO HAPPY.
THEY WEREN'T TOO HAPPY TO SEE ME
SO JUST A COUPLE OF LOGISTICAL UNDERSTANDINGS OF HOW WHAT IS GONNA BE ACTUALLY DONE SO THAT YOU KNOW, OR, OR MITIGATED RATHER WHEN IT COMES TO THE IMPACT TO MAIN STREET, ESSENTIALLY.
UM, OR YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT GENERAL AREA.
I MEAN, YOU MAY, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, I THINK WE HAD PRO, UH, POTENTIAL PROBLEMS AT A PREVIOUS LOCATION OR PRIVATE SCHOOL.
UH, SO YOU MAY ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT STAGGERED DROP OFFS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, UH, AT THE TIME.
AND THIS CLASS GOING TO OPEN UP, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE SAME TIME FOR EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY GETS DROPPED OFF AND PICKED UP THE SAME TIME.
OR ARE THEY GONNA STAGGER DROP OFF AND PICKUPS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S, UH, QUESTIONS YOU MAY WANNA THINK ABOUT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ASK THE APPLICANT, UH, THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AS FAR AS THE BUILDING ITSELF GOES, IT'S A, IT IS A NOVEL AND A, I THINK GREAT USE FOR THE SCHOOL.
JUST THE DETAILS, WORKING THE DETAILS, RIGHT.
AND LIKE WITH ANY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED 'CAUSE IT IS SOME TYPE OF IMPACT RIGHT? THEN, THEN WHAT IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.
SO YOU MAY, UH, MAKE SOME NOTES OR ASK SOME QUESTIONS, UH, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE ADDRESSED IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICLE TRAFFIC AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA ADDRESS THAT.
OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.
THAT'S THE, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO THESE, UH, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE THESE SAME SLIDES AGAIN, MAJORITY OF 'EM, WE'LL ADD SOME PHOTOGRAPHS WITH YOUR STAFF REPORT FOR THE BUILDINGS.
UM, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ANY OF THESE APPLICATIONS, BUT WE WILL AGAIN, YOU KNOW, PRESENT THAT TO THE PUBLIC AT THE SAME TIME, UH, WITH THIS INFORMATION.
SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE REDUNDANT, BUT THE PUBLIC IS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION THAT THAT'S ALL FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. NOW COMES THE HARD PART,
I WAS JUST LIKE, WHICH ONE IS THIS? IS THE, THIS IS THE SHELTERS AND ALTERNATIVE HOUSING.
SO ONCE WE STARTED DOWN THIS PATH AND DISCUSSION OF LODGING HOUSES, THE FIRST THING WE LOOK AT ARE THE DEFINITE IS THE DEFINITION OF IT.
AND SO THAT'S IN 1 25, 3, THAT IS NOT COMPLETELY INCLUSIVE OF THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO LODGING HOUSES DON'T NECESSARILY FIT ALL TYPES OF HOUSING, UM, RIGHT.
THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE.
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GOING THROUGH THIS ZONING REVISION, THIS FELT LIKE WE SHOULD MAYBE TAKE A PAUSE AND LOOK AT THESE ALTERNATIVE COMMENTS.SO WHAT VICE CHAIRMAN NEIL HAS GRACIOUSLY DONE, HE STARTED RESEARCHING AND RESEARCH OR REACHING OUT TO DIFFERENT GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY, KIND OF ASSESS THE NEEDS THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
SO REACH OUT TO THE PHOENIX PROJECT, TO THE BARN COALITION.
THE NORTHWEST COMMUNITY SERVICES WITH THE HOPE, WARREN COUNTY AND HARVEST MISSION OUTREACH CENTER.
AND I'VE DONE SOME REACHING OUT TO SOME OF THE, UM, TO, UH, THE VETERANS GROUP.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO, UH, REVEREND WHO, YEAH, SHE, SHE'S THE ONE THAT'S HARVEST MISSION.
AND THERE'S A TIE WITH UNITED WAY IN THERE SOMEWHERE THAT I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND.
BUT, SO BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE DOING IS TRYING TO PAINT THE PICTURE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE NEED IN TOWN? LIKE WHAT ARE, WHAT, WHAT WE NEED HERE IN FRONT ROYAL.
UM, AND I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS THAT ONCE WE KIND OF PAINT THIS PICTURE, WE CAN START FIGURING OUT HOW DO WE DEFINE IT.
AND THEN ONCE WE DEFINE IT, THAT HELPS US CODIFY IT.
AND LIKE WITH PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, SO LIKE WITH THE, SOME OF THE SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING, LIKE THAT'S WHERE YOU START THINKING, OKAY, IF WE, WE HAVE LIKE A LODGING HOUSE OR LIKE A HALFWAY HOME BOARDING HOUSE TYPE SITUATION, WHAT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS NEED TO GO ALONG WITH IT TO HELP ACCOMMODATE THESE INDIVIDUALS? UM, AND ZONING DOESN'T ALWAYS ADDRESS JUST UNCONVENTIONAL HOUSING TYPES IN GENERAL CAN BE A BARRIER TO KIND OF THE IMPETUS FOR THIS CONVERSATION.
IN, IN THE PACKET, THERE WAS ONE BIT OF THE RESEARCH THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE AUTISTIC, UM MM-HMM
AND THERE'S FOUR OTHER SETS OF RESEARCH THAT I, I OFFERED UP TO LIKE, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND JUST SEND THEM TO YOU ALL.
SO I GUESS THE BACKGROUND DIVIDED INTO THOSE TWO PARTS, JUST LIKE THE
WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS VERSUS SOME OF THE ZONING POSSIBILITIES.
AND, UM, WE, UM, HAVE SET UP WITH TWO FOLKS SO FAR TO TALK TO.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO TRY TO COORDINATE WITH YOU.
UH, THESE ARE OUT CYCLE FOR OUR REGULAR MEETINGS.
SO IF A COUPLE, IF MORE THAN TWO OF US CAN ATTEND THIS, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE MEETING.
NOTICE ONE OF THE SECOND ONE WE PLAN ON HAVING HERE.
LEMME JUST PUT THE DATES ON HERE.
BRIDGET HOPE HAS AGREED TO MEET WITH, UM, A SUBSET ON THE 17TH OR 18TH.
UNFORTUNATELY THE 18TH IS GOOD FRIDAY, SO THE 17TH OF THIS MONTH.
IT HASN'T BEEN SAID WHERE, BUT, UM, THERE'S A FLEXIBILITY WHERE WE COULD HAVE ANYWHERE FROM A COFFEE SHOP IF IT IS JUST, UH, UH, INTIMATE GROUP, SO TO SPEAK.
OR WE CAN MAYBE COME HERE OR SOMETHING ELSE ON 17TH.
WE ALSO HAVE IT WITH, UM, HARVEST MISSION OUTREACH CENTER ANYTIME THE WEEK OF THE APRIL 22ND.
AND I, I'VE ASKED IF WE CAN GET A ROOM THERE, BUT THE, THE DATE HASN'T QUITE BEEN SENT.
AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE QUESTION TO YOU GUYS IS ARE YOU AVAILABLE ON THE 17TH AND WHAT DAYS OF THE WEEK OF THE, THE 21ST? IF, IF AT ALL.
UM, I WILL UNFORTUNATELY FILL OUT MY CALENDAR.
AND, AND THAT WAS, UH, PART, PART OF RIGHT NOW, UM, I, I WON'T BE HERE THE WEEK TILL THE 22ND EASTER WEEK ANYWAY, THE MORE THE MERRIER IS, IS IS THE GROUP AND, UH, THE 17TH, AS LONG AS IT'S, IT, THE MORNING IS THE PREFERENCE ON THE 17TH, BUT THAT IT'S NOT LOCKED IN.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
UM, IF IT'S THE MORNING, THE EARLIER, THE BETTER AND I JUST WOULD'VE TO GO IN LATE TO WORK POTENTIALLY.
SO I, I'D BE TENTATIVE ON THIS ONE UNTIL I KNOW MORE OF THE DETAILS.
AND THEN FOR THE OTHER ONE THAT IN THE WEEK OF, YOU SAID THE 20, THE WEEK OF THE 21ST OR ANY OF THE DAYS.
WHO'S AVAILABLE? WHAT DAY, WHAT'S THE BEST DAY FOR EVERYBODY ON THAT? WELL, WE ARE LOOKING AT MORNING OR EVENING.
JUST PAY THE, SHE'S VERY FLEXIBLE.
UM, I COULD, I CAN PRETTY EASILY DO ANY EVENINGS, ANY, ANY, BOTH AFTERNOONS AND AFTERNOONS.
LIKE, LIKE I AM, I HAVE OFF WORK AT FIVE.
I CAN PROBABLY SNEAK OUT A LITTLE WHILE.
UH, OR IF IT NEEDS TO BE A MORNING AS LONG AS I HAVE NOTICE I SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE IT WORK.
AND HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE? SAME FOR ME.
BUT TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 22ND
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OR 27TH, I'M PRETTY SURE I'M GONNA BE OUT OF TOWN THAT WEEK.IT'S NOT SET IN STONE YET, BUT I WOULD BE AVAILABLE 17TH.
SO WE HAVE, WE USUALLY GOTTA HAVE THREE OF, SO WE NEED THAT NOW.
WE'LL I'LL GET THESE TIMES WRITTEN DOWN AND THEN WE'LL SPEAK CORRECT.
AND SO IT'LL BE SOMEWHERE ON THE TUESDAY THROUGH THE FRIDAY.
I'LL TALK TO, TALK TO HER TO SEE WHAT'S THE BEST ONE.
AND THEN I'LL GET BACK AND THEN YOU ARRANGE A CONFERENCE ROOM OR SOMETHING.
I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT, UM, I THINK HEALTH PUT OUT LIKE A COMMUNITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT OR SURVEY.
YEAH, I'M TRYING TO TRACK THAT DOWN.
I HAVEN'T, IT, IT WAS PRINT OUT 2022.
UM, LET ME TELL YOU, IT'S A DEPRESSING READ.
IT'S A VERY DEPRESSING HOUSE ON THE FRONT.
IT COVERS WARREN, UM, PAGE AND HANOCK COUNTIES.
AND, AND SO, BUT IT, 'CAUSE LIKE RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALLOWING, LIKE WITH A THERMAL SHELTER, THAT'S AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A CHURCH, BUT IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S REALLY COLD OR REALLY HOT, IT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS NEEDS HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY DESIGNATED YOU YEAR AROUND PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO GO THAT AREN'T THESE LOGIC HOUSES.
THEN WE CAP IT IT WITH LIKE 10 BEDROOMS. 10 BEDROOMS. UM, AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WITH YOU DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, OVER 18, THAT, AND, AND IT, WHAT WAS IMMEDIATELY WHAT I RAN INTO THIS, THIS IS LIKE TRYING TO, TRYING TO EAT A DINOSAUR IN A SINGLE BITE.
I MEAN THE, THE PROBLEM OF, SO FROM TRYING TO PUT THE BLINDERS ON FROM A ZONING POINT OF VIEW, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST A LITTLE PIECE IN THIS PUZZLE IS AN ENABLER OF TRYING TO DO THAT.
SO AS I SEE IT, I MIGHT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT'S KIND OF, UM, UH, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE COULD BETTER IN THE COMMUNITY SERVE THESE SPECIAL GROUPS' NEEDS.
AND I, I PROPOSE THOSE FIVE CATEGORIES YOU SAW IN THERE, WHICH AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ME RUNNING AMUCK.
SO I CERTAINLY INTO, UM, INPUT MAYBE WE WANT DEFINE, WE DON'T WANNA DEFINE THEM WITH SUCH AS, SUCH AS AUTISM BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO, WE JUST UMBRELLA.
THAT ISN'T HOW WE DO DEVELOPMENTALLY AND PEOPLE OR DISABLED PEOPLE.
UH, I LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DOMESTIC ABUSE, UH, I REACHED OUT TO PD AND I'LL SEND THIS OUT TO EVERYBODY.
THEY HAD 400 SOME DOMESTIC CALLS LAST YEAR.
NINE OF THEM RESULTED IN PEOPLE NEEDING TO LEAVE THE HOME AND BE PLACED WITH THE PHOENIX PROJECT TO HELP THEM NINE FIND ALTERNATIVE HOUSING OR SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS.
I, UM, ONE OF THE BARRIERS THAT THEY DISCUSSED ON THE PHONE WAS THAT THEY DON'T WANNA LEAVE THEIR PET THINK ABOUT IT, BUT THEY WON'T LEAVE THEIR DOG OR CAT AND THEN THEY DON'T LEAVE WITH THAT SITUATION.
THEY JUST GO RIGHT BACK TO IT.
AND AS YOU SAW IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE WENT OUT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT PETS AND HOW, HOW THEY HANDLE IT IN, IN THOSE THOSE SYSTEMS. THE QUESTIONNAIRE IS ANOTHER THING I, I'D LOVE SOME INPUT ON THAT.
I DID, I COVER THIS SORT OF THINGS 'CAUSE THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE'RE ASKING TO PEOPLE IN ADVANCE.
BUT ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GOING TO, WE HAVE OUR R ONE, R TWO AND R THREE AND IN FACT WE KNOW THE C ONE AS IT EXISTS NOW WITH THE STANDARD SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SO ON.
BUT WHERE ARE THESE THINGS APPROPRIATE? ARE ALL APPROPRIATE? ARE THEY APPROPRIATE ONLY WITH SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, CONSIDERATIONS OF, UH, PRIVACY COME UP IN SOME CASES.
AND IF, IF THAT'S EVEN TRUE, UH, THE CASE WHERE, UH, LET SAY, UH, YOU, YOU DESIRE SOME MEMBER OF THE FAMILY NOT TO KNOW WHERE THE OTHER MEMBER OF THE FAMILY IS.
BUT IN A TOWN LIKE THIS, IF YOU HAVE A FIXED ADDRESS AND OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S NOT GONNA STAY SECRET VERY LONG.
SO IT, IT IS THAT EVEN A CONCERN THOUGH.
SO ALL THESE THINGS WILL HELP US, BUT WE NEED INPUT FROM THE SPEAKERS TO TELL US.
WE CAN DO ALL THE ONLINE RESEARCH WE WANT, BUT WE NEED THAT INPUT FROM THE SPEAKERS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE REACH OUT TO PHOENIX AND VETERANS AND THESE TWO FOLKS, THEY'RE WILLING TO TALK TO US.
WELL, I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE I TRIED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DUNNO, IT WAS BEFORE YOUR TIME, BEFORE GEORGIA'S TIME.
I FORGET HOW MANY YEARS AGO IT WAS.
UM, PROBABLY BECAUSE REMEMBER I, I, I WORKED WITH THE NATASHA ON COUNCIL.
AND WE ACTUALLY GOT A MEETING TOGETHER, FILLED THIS TABLE, UM, WITH PEOPLE.
YOU DID, DO YOU HAVE YOUR NOTES? 'CAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE CONFERENCE PLAN.
WE HAD A DISCUSSION WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE CONFERENCE.
AND UH, DID YOU HAVE NOTES FROM THAT? NO, NO, UNFORTUNATELY.
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BUT WE, WE DID HAVE, WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAD ISSUES AND HAD PROBLEMS. YOU PROBABLY MET 'EM.SO I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE BRINGING THAT BACK TO LIFE.
WE'RE, WE'RE WITH ANY LUCK, WHAT WE COME UP WITH OUT OF THIS IS GONNA BE FAR MORE THAN WE NEED JUST FOR THE ZONING CODE.
WE'LL HAVE SOME USEFUL INFORMATION.
BECOME AN EXPERT ON THIS SUBJECT.
WELL, WELL, IF WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL FORM WOULD BE, A WHITE PAPER CHARTS SUMMARY OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE TO TURN THAT OVER TO TOWN COUNCIL, OTHERS TO USE.
I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO JUST TRY TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE GONNA NEED TO PRIORITIZE THE STRONGEST NEEDS.
AND THEN START LOOKING AT THE, THE, UM, PIECES THAT IMPACT IT.
SO IS IT MORE IMPORTANT FOR SECRECY OR LOCATION? DOES IT NEED TO BLEND IN? DOES IT NEED TO BE CLOSE TO TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES? SO THESE PEOPLE, ARE THEY GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO CARS? THEY CAN BE ABLE TO GET TO WORK AND, AND THAT'S THE DISCUSSIONS WE'RE GONNA NEED TO HAVE.
BUT EVERYTHING'S GONNA HAVE TO BE RANKED.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PRIORITIZE.
AND SO IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT EASY TO GO ON IN AND WE'RE JUST DOING A LITTLE PIECE OF IT.
SO JUST ON THE LOGIS, I MEAN LOGISTICAL FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF EDUCATING ME AND HOW TO GO ABOUT LOOKING AT SOME OF THIS STUFF.
UM, BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS I GOT REALLY NERVOUS WHEN I SAW TEMPORARY SHELTER FOR AT-RISK CHILDREN.
UM, IT JUST FEEL, AND, AND THE REASON, THE REASON I GOT NERVOUS WAS BECAUSE, GOSH, WHEN IT COMES TO CHILDREN, IT, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MANY LIKE LEGAL PROTECTIONS THAT ARE NEEDED AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
AND THAT JUST MADE ME THINK LIKE, UM, SOMETIMES IF SOMEONE'S RECEIVING FEDERAL FUNDING TO SUPPORT A HOUSE LIKE THIS, THERE ARE A LOT OF REGULATIONS THEY HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO QUALIFY TO RECEIVE THIS FUNDING.
TOTALLY EXAGGERATED THOUGHT, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REQUIRED, UM, MASSIVE SPOTLIGHTS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS REALLY WELL LIT.
FENCES WITH BARBED WIRE, YADA YADA.
THAT I'M, I'M SAYING THIS IS EXAGGERATED, RIGHT? BUT TO MAKE THE POINT OF JUST SAYING WHAT'S THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE FEDERAL WOULD OUTWEIGH WOULD OUTWEIGH US? YES.
BUT THEN ARE WE OPENING OURSELVES UP AGAIN? THAT'S REALLY HARD TO THINK ABOUT.
BUT JUST WHAT HAPPENS, LIKE WHEN SOME OF THOSE EXTERIOR REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO FINANCE A PLACE KICK IN, WHERE WE START LOSING KIND OF, ESPECIALLY IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS OF, YOU KNOW, THESE FENCES OR LIGHTING SHOULD SECURITY SYSTEMS, WHEN THE, THE FED, WHEN THE, WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IMPOSES THEIR OWN RESTRICTIONS OR REQUIREMENTS FOR A PROPERTY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY EITHER OWN OR, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE THAT INVOLVED, IT SUPERSEDES US.
AND SO, SO THEN WE JUST WOULDN'T GIVE THEM THE SUP.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE SOME, IT WOULD BE, THE CONSIDERATIONS WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN IF IT WAS NOT SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
BUT JUST BY THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE SO FAR, WHEN THESE SORT OF THINGS, IT, IT DOESN'T GET QUITE TO THAT EXTENT.
THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE GUIDELINES, FEDERAL AND STATE GUIDELINES THAT HAVE TO BE ABIDE BY AND THEY VARY.
AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE NEED, THE INPUT FROM THESE GROUPS TO FIND OUT WHAT FEDERAL AND STATE GUIDELINES ARE FOLLOWING AS WELL.
ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT ENFORCING THEM, WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THEM.
IF IT GOES ON, IT MAY IMPACT WHAT WE, IT MAY IMPACT OUR DECISIONS, SAY OR DO OR, UH, EVEN WHAT OUR WORDING MIGHT BE, BECAUSE IF WE KNOW THAT THE FED, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS ARE GONNA REQUIRE SPOTLIGHTS.
WELL THEN WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE IT SO THAT YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR SPOTLIGHTS, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP.
WE WANNA DO ADDITIONAL SCREENING, I THINK.
OR IT'D BE PRETEND DEPEND ON WHICH PROPERTY IT WAS.
ITS CONFIGURATION AND ALL ULCER.
BUT I, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO BARBED WIRE AND F NO EXTREMES.
BUT EXTREMES ARE JUST LAYOUT WHAT ARE ISSUES.
THIS IS WHERE WE PARSE IT TOO.
AND IT GETS REALLY, REALLY IN THE WEEDS WHERE YOU'RE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT VIOLENT OFFENDERS AND THAT, THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE TRANSITIONING TO SOCIETY SURE.
FROM A, A CONDITION OR A TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR, UM, FOR A FAMILY WHOSE HOUSE WAS BURNED DOWN.
OR, OR THESE ARE THE SORTS OF THINGS NO.
IN THE CATEGORY WE SAY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE VIOLENT OFFENDERS.
HOW ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT IN A WAY? NO, I, I, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE PARSING THOSE STILL EXIST, BUT NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO A WHOLE DIFFERENT OTHER SET.
SO OUR DEFINITIONS WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC ENOUGH TO MAKE IT SO THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY INCLUDED IN THIS.
I KIND OF MADE AN ATTEMPT AT SOME OF THAT DEFINITION IN WRITING HERE OF THE TYPE OF, 'CAUSE THIS, LIKE I SAY, IT'S A DINOSAUR.
IF WE TRY TO EAT THE WHOLE DINOSAUR, WE'RE GONNA CHOKE.
SO WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS THIS THING DOWN.
BUT I THINK, I THINK THE REASON WHY I WAS MAKING ALL THESE EXAGGERATED SCENARIOS WAS IN THINKING WHEN IT COMES TO CHILDREN,
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THERE'S JUST A WAY WHERE SO MANY PROTECTIONS HAVE TO BE PUT INTO PLACE.THAT THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS BALANCING BETWEEN, AND EVEN FUNDING REQUIREMENTS.
IF YOU, YOU KNOW, TODAY I MAY NOT BE RECEIVING FEDERAL FUNDS, BUT TOMORROW I MAY, THE GOVERNMENT SAYS WE'RE GONNA OFFER SOMETHING I APPLY FOR THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS.
AND THEN IF I DO, THEN I HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, COMPLY IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
WELL, THAT THIS ALL COMES FROM HOW WE SET THE RULES.
THAT'S WHY THE DEFINITION IS SO IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHY, AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE HAVE TO NARROW THE SCOPE DOWN AND JUST BE SPECIFIC.
SO THAT'S WHY WE IDENTIFY WHAT THIS BODY THINK IS THE BIGGEST NEED IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN WE LOOK AT JUST HOW DO WE PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF HEALTH? HOW DO WE DEFINE THAT TYPE? WHAT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS DO WE NEED TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT TO EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND IT? THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
DOES IT NEED TO BE A SPECIAL USED PERMIT? DOES IT NEED TO BE BY RIGHT.
THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT ON, ON THE CONCERN, LIKE I SAY.
WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THERE AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE GROUP AND THE DISCUSSION.
BUT I WAS JUST, UH, LET'S JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE WANT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND, AND I'M JUST GONNA THROW THIS OUT THERE.
UH, MY SISTER-IN-LAW HAS WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH DISABLED, WITH AUTISTIC DOWN SYNDROME.
SHE WORKED FOR A PLACE WHERE THEY LIVED IN COMMUNITY.
BUT ON A PRACTICAL LEVEL, SHE'S HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IF THAT, IF THAT WOULD BE OF ANY USE.
THAT'S WHY TO ANYBODY WAS ASKING IF, IF YOU HAVE KNOWN EXPERTS OR NO, PEOPLE, LIKE ONE OF THE PEOPLE I TALKED TO WAS A MOTHER OF AN AUTISTIC CHILD, A 27, SHE'S 22 YEARS OLD NOW IN TOWN.
AND SHE WAS VERY HELPFUL GOING THROUGH, BUT, UM, SHE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO US
WELL, MY SISTER-IN-LAW ASKED HER IF I COULD BRING HER NAME UP AND SHE SAID ABSOLUTELY.
SHE'S ACTUALLY BEEN INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IF WE SET UP A TIME FOR HER TO COME IN AND TALK TO US, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE JUST IN THE INFORMATION RESEARCH.
WE'RE INFORMATION JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO TO TALK TO.
KIND OF A STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT.
GETTING PEOPLE WHO TO TALK TO, GETTING, GETTING THEM TO COME AND TALK AND THEN MOVING FORTH AND THEN PARSING IT ALL OUT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S ACTIONABLE BECAUSE IT CERTAINLY NEED YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
WHICH ZONES TO AND WITH WHICH ALLOWANCES.
I MEAN, AND THEN AFTER, AFTER ALL THAT, THEN WE HAVE TO PACKAGE IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S PALATABLE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GIVE UNDERSTAND.
AND PALATABLE TO, TO, TO, SO IT'S NOT EASY, BUT ALL OF, BETWEEN THE MIX OF OUR SKILLS, WE SHOULD BE ABLE PULL THIS OFF.
THAT'S WHY PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
YOU FIGURE THAT OUT AND SOMETHING WORTHWHILE.
WELL, YEAH, NO, I, I, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE WORK AND
LIKE I'M BEING, TO HEAR WHAT THAT IS.
I'M VERY GLAD TO SEE ALL OF IT.
UM, AND IT'LL BE SOME REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.
START DIGGING INTO AND TAKING ONE BITE AT A TIME.
ARE THERE OTHER CODES THAT WE COULD LOOK AT TO SEE HOW THEY'VE HELPED WITH THIS RANGE OF THINGS? ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE DONE, I'LL SAY A BETTER JOB THAN WE HAVE.
RICHMOND IS BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF STUFF GOING ON.
I GET IN TROUBLE WITH ARLINGTON, FAIRFAX BACKGROUND.
THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THE, THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE.
AND WE WANT TO KIND OF KEEP IT TO LOOKING IN VIRGINIA JUST BECAUSE IF THEY'VE JOTTED THERE, WE CAN, IF WE GO TO LIKE A HOME RULE STATE, WHEN YOU GO TO EACH OF THESE TOWNS, YOU'RE GONNA FIND THIS THINGS ARE THE SAME AND THINGS ARE DIFFERENT.
AND YOU CAN GET REAL CONFUSING THERE TOO, BECAUSE THE WAY THEY, THEY MIX THINGS.
UM, YOU CAN FIND RESO LIKE RICHMOND RESOLUTION TO, THEY ALLOW CERTAIN TYPES OF GROUP HOMES FOR THESE SORT OF CATEGORIES IN AN R ONE.
WELL, THEY MADE THE RESOLUTION, BUT IT'S NOT IN THEIR CODE YET.
BUT IT IS IN THEIR CODE FOR R TWO AND THREE FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE PARED DIFFERENTLY.
AND I THINK OUR, OUR ANSWER, OUR ANSWER IS GONNA BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN ANYONE ELSE'S.
'CAUSE WE'RE A TOWN OF 15,000.
I'LL BORROW WITH HOW MANY, HOW MUCH OF A GREAT EXAMPLE THEY ARE IN CERTAIN OTHER THINGS.
THEY DON'T HAPPEN TO HAVE STUFF LIKE THIS.
DO THEY? I MEAN, THERE'S SOME STATE CODE GUIDELINES ON SHELTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YEAH.
SHE LIKES TO LAND USE LITTLE HANDBOOK.
I WAS JUST LIKE, WAIT, IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE? THAT'D BE INTERESTING.
UM, BUT, AND HONESTLY, ARLINGTON'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF INTEGRATING ALL THIS STUFF.
IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD PLACE TO START.
BUT, UH, SAY BURY YOURSELF FOR A LIFETIME IN, UNLESS YOU WANT TO
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AND, AND I WANTED KIND OF A, UM, A CONFIRMATION TOO FROM YOU GUYS THAT WE'RE HEADING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH ON THIS TOO.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HOPE TO BE.
PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT FROM BAR.
SO, UM, I'M SURE MANY OF YOU RECALL ONE ON BLUE RIDGE AVENUE.
THERE WAS A HOUSE FIRE LIKE TWO THANKSGIVINGS AGO.
AND SO THAT'S BEEN DEMOLISHED THAT WENT THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
AND THAT, UM, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING THERE HAS SPURRED A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW MM-HMM
UM, BETWEEN THE BUILDERS AND THE TOWN AND FIGURING OUT NEIGHBORS WHAT'S, AND NEIGHBORS AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE TO BUILD BACK IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE HAVE GUIDELINES, UM, BUT THEY ARE, THAT THEY'RE GUIDELINES.
UM, AND WHAT THE BAR WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE IS THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WOULD BASICALLY PROHIBIT, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF MULTIFAMILY DUPLEXES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO IF THERE'S LIKE ANOTHER FIRE AND SOMETHING DESTROYED, UM, THEY WANT TO ONLY BE ABLE TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY BACK IN KEEPING WITH THE CARE.
THAT WOULD STILL INCLUDE INFIELD LOTS.
WHICH THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THEM.
BUT, SO OUR, THE THOUGHT WAS, AND I SPOKE WITH UM, ONE OF THE BAR MEMBERS IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THEY CAN KIND OF REALLY DISCUSS, I GUESS THEIR GOALS, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND INSTEAD OF STAFF BEING THE GO BETWEEN WITHOUT JUST GETTING PRETTY AROUND THE TABLE, WOULD BE A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE.
THEY'RE ALSO CONSIDERING POTENTIALLY A TOUR WHERE WE WOULD WALK AROUND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE TOWN OR THE, SORRY, THE MAIN STREET PORTION, WHICH IS OUR COMMERCIAL SECTION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THEN YOU'VE GOT THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION.
UM, AND IN THE, UM, BAY ZONE R THREE.
SO DUPLEXES, TOWN HOMES, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THOSE AREN'T ALWAYS IN KEEPING WITH LOOKING IN THE HISTORY DISTRICT.
I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR Y'ALL TO PUT EYES ON IT AS WE START TO DISCUSS TECH.
I THINK ONE THING THAT WAS AT THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSIONS TRAIN, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT THAT OR NOT, BUT THE CITY OF ROOKE TO HELP WITH HOUSING, UH, UH, YES.
THEY HAVE ADAPTABILITY HOUSING, WHICH IS, THEY CONSIDER, UH, BASICALLY IN THEIR HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEY ONLY HAVE CERTAIN MODEL HOMES THAT WOULD BE APPROVED.
SO THEY ONLY HAVE, WE'LL JUST SAY FIVE HOMES WITH SOME TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
SO THE A WOULD HAVE TO BUILD ONE OF THOSE TYPES OF HOMES, I DON'T WANNA SAY A MODEL HOME, BUT IT WOULD FIT THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
I THINK WHAT THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, UH, HAS PROBLEMS WITH, UH, WHICH WE RECOGNIZE IS WE ONLY HAVE GUIDELINES.
SO THEN THAT IS OPEN UP TO INTERPRETATION.
AND, UM, I THINK THE, THE BUILDERS ARE A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
AND THE BOARD ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW IS REALLY A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH THE BUILDER TRYING TO COME TO CONSENSUS ON THESE GUIDELINES, YOUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT YOU'RE REQUIRING.
SO THE BUILDER USUALLY LIKES TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO BUILD.
I NEED APPROVAL, NOT IN A NEGOTIATION OF WHAT TYPE OF ROOF MATERIAL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO OTHER COMMUNITIES BASICALLY DID HAVE A STYLE OF HOME THAT THEY WOULD PERMIT SOMEONE, SAY LIKE A MODEL HOME, BUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT STYLES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED.
SO THE BUILDERS WOULD KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WHAT TYPE OF MATERIALS THEY COULD USE.
UH, THE ROOF MATERIAL, SIDING MATERIAL, IF FORCES ARE REQUIRED AHEAD OF TIME, WHAT TYPE OF MATERIAL WAS ON THE DECK INSTEAD OF JUST GENERAL GUIDELINES THAT FIT THE AREA FOR INTERPRETATION.
SO, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING I GOT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION TRAINING THAT 'CAUSE THERE IS A NEED FOR HOUSING.
I MEAN ALL, ALL THROUGH THE COMMONWEALTH AND THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HOUSING SHORTAGE.
SO SOME LOCALITIES HAVE LOOKED UP HOW THEY CAN STREAMLINE THE PROCESS TO HELP BUILDING TO GO A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
AND THE DISCUSSION GOT TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES OF HISTORIC AREAS, DISTRICTS WITHIN THE COMMONWEALTH.
AND UH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT KIND OF COMES TO A GRINDING HALT.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE GUIDELINES THAT,
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YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURE REVIEW MAY HAVE NEW MEMBERS FIVE YEARS LATER, WHAT THEY THINK IS PROGRESSIVE ARCHITECTURAL MAY NOT ALIGN WITH WHAT THE, THE BAR THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST.SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY MAY WANT TO CONSIDER.
Y'ALL MAY WANT CONSIDER, UH, WITH THAT ALSO.
THAT WAS PART OF THE QUESTION IS HOW, HOW FAR DO WE TAKE THIS TOO? AND THAT WAS WHAT I WAS SAYING NOW.
'CAUSE LIKE LEEBURG, IF YOU LOOK AT THEIRS ONLINE, OUTSTANDING, I MEAN IN THE DETAIL THAT IT HAS OF, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, MATERIALS IN, IN CONSTRUCTION HAS ALL THE REFERENCES GOING BACK TO ANY, ANY FEDERAL STUFF.
IT GETS INTO THE GRANTS, IT GETS INTO ALL, ALL THAT ON THE, AND IT'S ALL ON THEIR WEBSITE.
AND LEESBURG IS A TOWN OF MILLIONAIRE TOO.
BUT WHILE, BUT SEE THAT'S THE THING WITH THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER COSTS.
SO WHEN WE SAY, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE SLATE CAN SEE METAL, YOU KNOW, THE WOOD SIDING MM-HMM.
THE FIRST THING OUTTA MOST APPLICANT'S MOUTH IS, YOU KNOW, HOW EXPENSIVE THAT IS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WATCH SEPTEMBER, I THINK, AND SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER AND DECEMBER AND JANUARY, OR IT WAS THE LAST TWO MEETINGS LAST YEAR AND THE FIRST MEETING OF THIS YEAR ALL DEALT WITH THAT HOUSE THAT BURNED DOWN ON ROYAL AVENUE.
THEY PROVED THAT THE SECOND ONE, THEY CAME, CAME TO THE ARCHITECTURE COMMITTEE WHEN THEY WANTED TO BUILD A BOX AND, AND THE ARCHITECTURE BE, HE SAID NO BOX.
SO THEY CAME BACK WITH A THIRD TIME WITH SOMETHING MORE STEADILY PLEASING, BUT IT'S A DUPLEX.
AND, BUT WHICH THEY COULD DO BY RIGHT.
AND THEY, THEY NEGOTIATED IT OUT, BUT IT WAS ENDLESS DISCUSSION ON THE, UM, LIKE THEY SAY MATERIALS, SIDING, SIDING, WHAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, WHAT ARCHITECTURAL ROOF.
JOHN WENT THROUGH A LONG EXPLANATION OF WHAT ARCHITECTURAL ROOF WAS AND WHAT THAT MEANS, LOOKING LIKE SLATE.
AND THEN THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION THAT WENT ALONG ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S JUST GUIDELINES AND NOT, ALTHOUGH IT DOES CALL OUT IN, IN, IN THE, UM, THE RANKS THERE, THAT ARCHITECTURAL ROOF IS OKAY, PROVIDED IT'S BLACK AND LOOKS LIKE SLATE OR SOME WORDS ALONG THOSE, THOSE LINES.
BUT THERE'S, UM, ANYWAY, THAT THAT'S WHAT IT'S WHAT KIND OF DETAIL DO, CAN WE GET TO AS A PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORKING WITH THE R TO DO THIS.
AND THEN ANY OF THE REGULATIONS ARE, ARE TOOTHLESS IF IT DOESN'T GO FOR A RESTORATION PLAN OVERALL FOR, FOR THE AREA.
SO THE OVERALL PLAN, NOW I'M REALLY BITING, I'M REALLY TAKING A DIFFERENT DINOSAUR, I'M BITING INTO IT, BUT THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT ALL SHOULD BE A PART OF A PLAN AND HOW BUSINESS, UM, BUSINESS AND PRIVATE WOULD WORK TOGETHER TO RESTORE AREAS.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S A MYRIAD OF IDEAS OUT THERE THAT COULD BE, BUT WE'RE ALSO A SMALL TOWN.
WE'RE WORKING WITH VOLUNTEER GROUPS AND, AND I UNDERSTAND HOW THAT GOES.
I WONDER, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I WONDER HOW ALEXANDRIA HANDLES IT.
THEY HAVE A, THEIR, THEY THEY ARE, THEY'RE INCREDIBLY STRICT.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER LIKE WHEN I, MY OLD COMPANY WE BUILT THERE AND UM, YOU KNOW, THE WORDLESS STREET WAS, WE WERE THE ONLY ONE OF THE ONLY ONES ALLOWED TO, BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL RESTRICTION.
NOW DO WE NEED TO GET THE LEVEL OF ALEXANDRIA? PROBABLY NOT
THE TOWN OF WARRENTON IS REALLY GOOD.
UM, IF YOU WANT, I CAN SEND OUT THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, THINK THE, UM, GUIDELINES OR AT LEAST A LINK, I'LL SEND EVERYBODY THE LINK TO THE LEESBURG ONE THAT I HAVE HANDY.
BUT SO LIKE IN SOME OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS, THEY, THEY GO AS FAR AS LIKE RESTRICTED PAINT COLORS.
WE KIND OF CONTROL HOW DIFFERENT IT IS.
SO YOU CAN'T DO LIKE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
BUT, UM, WE DON'T TELL PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN'T PAINT THEIR, YOU KNOW, BUILDING BRIGHT COLOR, UM, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THE BAR WANTS TO TAKE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS.
I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT, CAN WE STOP, YOU KNOW, TOWN HOMES FROM GOING IN MM-HMM
AND CAN WE AT LEAST REQUIRE THE, THE METAL ROOFS AND THE WOOD SIDING HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIALS, NOT JUST, IT'S POSSIBLE TO BUILD A TOWNHOUSES THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE ONE VICTORIAN.
YOU CAN, AND IT'S AS SIMPLE AS BUILDING A PORTICO, CLOSING IT IN AND THEN YOU WOULD ENTER ONCE YOU'RE INSIDE DO SOMETHING WITH THE ROOF.
BUT WITH THOSE, THEN YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW THE MAINTENANCE IS GOING TO WORK.
BECAUSE VERY OFTEN WHEN YOU HAVE, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP WITH THE, WITH THE DUPLEX, IS YOU HAVE A SHARED SPACE IN THAT'S EXTERIOR TO THE HOME.
PEOPLE JUST TYPICALLY DON'T KEEP IT MAINTAINED BECAUSE, WELL, IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
SO SOMETHING LIKE A TOWN HOME, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S CAUTIONS TO BE PUT IN PLACE AND UM, AND I, I'VE HEARD A FEW THINGS AS WELL OF PEOPLE JUST
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LIKE THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA SAYING, I, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WISH WE COULD JUST HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HERE.'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT HISTORICALLY IT WAS.
THESE ARE ALL RELAT, MOST OF 'EM ARE RELATIVELY TIGHT LOTS.
YOU'RE GETTING THIS STUFF INTO, SO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER DOES, DOES MAKE SENSE.
ON THAT POINT, I THINK THAT, UH, TO PURSUE THAT WOULD REQUIRE AMENDING THE VARIOUS, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS.
YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T ACCOMPLISH THAT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE.
AND THAT WAS FIRST QUESTION TOO IS BY
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO GO TO EACH DISTRICT HANDLE.
SO THAT, THAT LINE, THE ENTIRE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, MOST OF IT IS R THREE.
SO I THINK WE'D PREDOMINANTLY BE LOOKING AT THE R THREE DISTRICT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I THINK THE IN-PERSON MEETING BETWEEN THE TWO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
MEETING IS IDEAL BECAUSE IT, IT'S LIKE A, IT'S A SNOWBALL EFFECT.
SO WE CHANGE ONE, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE OTHER IS, THIS IS ALMOST SOMEWHAT RELATED, BUT IS THE, UH, HISTORIC AREA LIKE THIS, THESE AREAS THAT ARE R THREE AND ALSO HISTORIC, IS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS BEHIND THE, UH, THIS SEVERE CUTTING OF THE SETBACKS IS SO THAT THESE THINGS ARE NO LONGER NONCONFORMING FOR LIKE THAT AREA? IT HELPS.
AND A LOT OF OUR LOTS, UM, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS WERE OFTENTIMES LARGER, ESPECIALLY IN THE R THREE DISTRICT THAN THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE.
SO IT'S LIKE FOR ANY IN, WE WERE MAKING INFILL DEVELOPMENT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.
AND MOST OF THE DEVELOPABLE LAND LEFT IS UP NORTH PAPPY CREEK.
AND THAT'S GOT ITS OWN CHALLENGES WITH THE TRAIN AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO, UM, THE GOAL IN THE COMP PLAN WAS TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE INFILL DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT THE MECHANISM TO DO IT.
THAT'S, IT'D BE A WHOLE PICK A PASSION TO PURSUE THAT THROUGH FRUITION.
HAVE THEY ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR THAT BURNED OUT LOT? IT'S GONNA BE A DUPLEX THAT'S LIKE GREEN AND BROWN.
IT'S CRAFTSMAN STYLE AESTHETIC.
SO IT'S GOT THE TAPERED CRAFTSMAN COLUMNS IN THE FRONT.
UM, BUT IT IS GONNA BE VINYL SIDING.
BLACK ASPHALT SHINGLES HAVE A WRAPAROUND PORCH PARTY WRAP PORCH.
I THOUGHT THEY AGREED ON THE WRAP AROUND PORCH.
SMART WITH, WITH THE DIVIDER BETWEEN THE TWO PL.
SO IT WOULD BE PRIVATE PARKING.
I MUST HAVE LIVING, I THINK THE DRIVEWAY'S GONNA, I THINK THERE'S TWO SEPARATE, I THINK THERE'S TWO SEPARATE DRIVEWAYS.
SO ONE, ONE WILL COME IN THE SIDE.
ONE ON ONE STREET AND ONE ON THE OTHER STREET.
ONE PROSPECT, ONE ON THE OTHER STREET.
THERE'S WHAT THEY, BUT IT'S FA IT IS FASCINATING.
IF YOU WANNA TO WATCH THE VIDEOS 'CAUSE THE, THE INTERPLAY WITH THE DEVELOPER MM-HMM
AND THE DEVELOPER, HIS, HIS, UH, KIND OF VISION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AH, KNOW THEY JUST PUT A BUNCH OF JUNK ON THE PORCH ANYWAY.
YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE THIS STUFF, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, WELL I CAN'T SELL THIS HOUSE FOR ANY VALUE BECAUSE THE PLACE ACROSS THE STREET LOOKS LIKE THIS, THAT, THAT, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHERE, WHERE I WAS KICKING AROUND WITH YOU, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE WHOLE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE FOR AN IDEA OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT.
AND, AND AS OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH, UH, EVENTUALLY TERMITES COULD EAT IT SO BAD IT'S GONNA FALL DOWN ANYWAY.
BECAUSE A LOT OF 'EM AREN'T BEING MAINTAINED.
THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE SPECTACULAR MM-HMM
BUT IF YOU COULD DEVELOP THIS, THIS IS ME PIE IN THE SKY, BUT IF YOU COULD TAKE CERTAIN AREAS AND DO DEVELOPMENT WITH, UM, WITH WHATEVER RESOURCE, LIKE A NON-PROFIT OR WHATEVER PROFITABLE AFTER YOU GET PAST A CERTAIN POINT THAT BRINGS IN EXTERNAL MONEY.
'CAUSE NOW IT BECOMES A DESIRABLE, THEN IT STARTS RAISING AND THEN IT CAN SNOWBALL FROM THERE.