* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. HEY, [00:00:01] I AM GONNA CALL THE REGULAR TOWN COUNCIL MEETING FOR MARCH 24TH [Town Council on March 24, 2025.] TO ORDER, AND WE ARE GONNA START OFF WITH A, OKAY, NEXT UP WE'RE GONNA DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND TONIGHT, SINCE, UM, WE'VE CHANGED LOCATIONS, IT'S A LITTLE TIGHT IN HERE. WE DIDN'T HAVE A STUDENT COME. SO I'M GONNA ASK COUNCILMAN INGRAM TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR HERE TWICE. MAYOR AL HERE. COULD YOU STATE YOUR LOCATION AND REASON FOR REMOTE TONIGHT? YES, MA'AM. MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND COURT. I AM REMOTE, PARTICIPATING FROM HOME TONIGHT DUE TO ILLNESS. ILLNESS. COUNCIL MEDIDA MONICA PAYNE? HERE. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? HERE. COUNCILMAN LOC? HERE. COUNCILMAN WHAT? HERE? ANY OBJECTION? IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO, UH, VICE MAYORAL BEING REMOTE? NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS OUR APPROVAL OF MINUTES. DO I HEAR A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR, MOVE THAT. COUNCIL COMMITTEE. COUNCIL MEETING. MINUTES UP. FEBRUARY 24TH, 2025. REGULAR MEETING. MARCH 20, MARCH 3RD, 2025. WORK SESSION IN MARCH 10TH, 2025. WORK SESSION AS PRESENTED. SECOND. OKAY. ANY, ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN OCK? YES. COUNCILMAN RAMPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN DE DAMON PAINT? YES. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. ARE THERE ANY ADDITION OR DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA OR ANY REVISION TO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS? OKAY. HEARING NONE. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX, WHICH IS OUR RECOGNITIONS AWARDS, REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS. FIRST UP. UM, AND WE'RE NOT, OKAY. WE'RE REMOVING THIS. YES. SO, UM, PROBABLY SHOULD, WE SHOULD, DID WE NEED TO DO THAT IN NUMBER FIVE? YOU DON'T NEED TO VOTE TO REMOVE THOSE. NO. RIGHT. SO, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY, UM, I AM GONNA DO C THOUGH, RIGHT? OKAY. MORE, YEAH. I'LL, UM, JUST 'CAUSE THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. SO, UM, AGAIN, IN THE LOCATION THAT WE'RE IN, WE OPTED TO, UH, RECOGNIZE SOME OF OUR, UH, PROMOTIONS AND, UH, RECOGNITIONS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. HOWEVER, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THE TOWN, UM, BEING, UM, IDENTIFY IDENTIFIED IN THE, UH, TREE CITY, USA ANOTHER, UM, THE TOWN'S ACHIEVING TREE CITY USA STATUS FOR THE 26TH YEAR. UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT, I'M NOT GOING, I'M NOT GONNA READ THE LETTER THAT THEY SENT ME. UM, YOU ALL DON'T MIND, DO YOU? I WON'T READ THE LETTER FROM THE HARBOR DAY FOUNDATION. UM, I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY PUTS IT ON THEIR CALENDAR. UM, IT IS APRIL 27TH, IT'S A SUNDAY, AND THAT IS OUR LONE PINE DAY. UM, AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN AT THE APRIL MEETING. BUT, BUT, UM, FOR THOSE WATCHING, UM, THAT IS THE DAY WE'RE GONNA BE DOWNTOWN. THERE'S GONNA BE ALL KINDS OF VENDORS AND ACTIVITIES, AND WE WILL BE PLANTING A TREE IN, UM, IN HONOR OF THIS DAY. AND SO OUR ACES COMMITTEE HAS LOTS OF THINGS PLANNED AND WE HOPE THAT EVERYBODY YOUNG AND OLD CAN JOIN US ON THAT DAY. SO, NEXT UP IS, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING. [00:05:01] UM, AND SO I'M GONNA, UM, READ SOMETHING FIRST. WE NOW COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE AGENDA. PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO LEARN OF INFORMATION OF WHICH THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY AWARE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AND COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND INDICATE IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. IF THE COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, YOU MAY SIMPLY STATE THAT YOU AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. THERE IS A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR SPEAKERS. AFTER THREE MINUTES, THE MICROPHONE WILL CUT OFF. PLEASE REMEMBER, YOU TO, YOU ARE TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE MERIT AND COUNSEL AND TO REFRAIN FROM WORDS OR STATEMENTS WHICH ARE DEFAMATORY TO SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS OR DESPITE OTHER DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT, INCLUDING ITY AND BULGAR. AND SO, UM, THE ONLY PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT IS A SALE OF 180 SQUARE FEET OF KIBBLER STREET THAT ADJOINS TWO 19 EAST SEVENTH STREET, PREVIOUSLY CONDITIONALLY VACATED BY ORDINANCE. UM, MS. PRESLEY, WOULD YOU MIND READING THE SUMMARY? COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO APPROVE THE SALE OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY, 180 SQUARE FEET OF KILER STREET, ADJOINING TWO 19 EAST SEVENTH STREET, PREVIOUSLY CONDITIONALLY VACATED BY ORDINANCE TO THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNER TO APPLE CONTRACTORS, INC. CARLOS CAMACHO FOR $2,500. OKAY. UM, MS. PRESSLEY, IS ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK FOR AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING? WELL, IF, IF WE COULD HAVE THE, WOULD YOU OKAY. THE APPLICANT? YEP. IF, IF YOU WANT, YES, YOU WOULD. YOU LIKE TO SPEAK. MR. NAPIER IS NOT THE APPLICANT, BUT YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THE HAZARD. YES. MAYOR MAY COUNSEL, UH, GIVES HIS APOLOGIES ABOUT BEING HERE. HE'S, UH, UNDERGOING SURGERY, SO HE CAN'T BE HERE. I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU, OKAY. SO COUNSEL, MR. NAPIER IS REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT A WORK SESSION. WE HAVE ALSO TALKED ABOUT A COUNSELING FOR. AND TONIGHT, WHAT IS, UH, BEFORE US IS WHETHER OR NOT TO, WE'VE ALREADY VACATED IT, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, COUNSEL WANTS TO APPROVE THE SALE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING? I DO. OKAY. GOTTA CATCH MY BRAIN FIRST. SORRY. YOU DIDN'T TAKE THE ELEVATOR. . NO, I RAN UP THE STAIRS. MIKE MCCOOL HERE. I OWN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT ON THE ALLEY WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SELL. I SPOKE AT YOUR OTHER MEETINGS WHEN YOU VACATED THE ALLEY. THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THE TOWN IS GIVE AWAY OUR PROPERTY. YOU DID IT FOR MOTEL SIX. YOU LITERALLY DIDN'T EVEN SELL IT, AND YOU JUST GIVE IT AWAY. BIG CHUNK OF OUR ROAD. THE TOWN GOVERNMENT ACTS AS A FIDUCIARY WHEN IT MANAGES OUR PUBLIC RESOURCES. LIKE LAND BUILDINGS OUR MONEY. THAT MEANS THAT PUBLIC OFFICIALS, OUR TOWN OFFICIALS, ARE EXPECTED TO ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC, NOT FOR PERSONAL OR POLITICAL GAIN. IF THE GOVERNMENT DECIDES TO SELL TOWN OWNED ASSETS, THEY ARE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS SHOULD BENEFIT THE COMPANY AS THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. THE PROCESS IS TRANSPARENT AND FAIR. THE VALUE RECEIVED FROM THE SALE IS REASONABLE AND USED TO IMPROVE PUBLIC SERVICES. IF THE TOWN SELL ITS ASSETS WITHOUT PROPER OVERSIGHT, COMMUNITY INPUT, OR CLEAR BENEFITS TO ITS RESIDENTS, IT COULD BE ARGUED THAT IT BREACHES ITS JUDICIARY DUTY THAT MIGHT RAISE LEGAL OR ETHICAL CONCERNS. ESPECIALLY IF THE SALE APPEARS RUSHED, SECRETIVE, OR BENEFITS A SMALL GROUP AT THE EXPENSE OF A BROADER PUBLIC. ONE PERSON IS GONNA BENEFIT FROM THE SALE. ONE OUT OF THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF OUR COUNTY. YOU DIDN'T EVEN CONTACT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. WELL, YOUR PROPERTY DOESN'T ACTUALLY TOUCH THAT PROPERTY. WELL, IT'S, I CAN SEE IT. I CAN REACH OUT AND TOUCH IT FROM MY BUILDING. SO YES, IT'S ONLY A SMALL PART, BUT IT'S A PART OF A BIGGER PICTURE. UH, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T REMOVE, YOU CAN VACATE THE ALLEY, BUT THE BUILDING IS STILL IN VIOLATION OF YOUR TOWN ORDINANCES. IT'S A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. TWO, IT WAS COMPLETELY, WELL, I THINK I'LL GIVE CREDIT. THE COUNTY SCREWED YOU OVER, BUT [00:10:01] THE TOWN IS NOT, DID NOT FOLLOW UP ON ANYTHING. THEY WERE TOLD MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE TIMES THAT IT WAS A VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCES, BUT THEY WENT AHEAD AND DID IT ANYWAY. YOU LET THE MAN BUILD HIS BUILDING. HE DID A GREAT JOB, BUT HE DID IT WRONG. HE DID NOT FOLLOW THE RULES. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ZONING. IF WE DON'T HAVE ZONING, LIKE TRUMP SAYS, WE DON'T HAVE A BORDER. WE DON'T HAVE A COUNTRY. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ZONING IN YOUR TOWN, YOU DON'T HAVE A TOWN. WE'LL LOOK LIKE WEST VIRGINIA. THEY HAVE NO ZONING. AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE. I CAN BUILD MY HOUSE HERE AND A GUY SHOWS UP AND PUTS HIS TRAILER THERE. IT'S 50 YEARS OLD RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT. IT'S NOT PROPER. IT'S NOT PROPER FOR US EITHER. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING ZONING, BUT I'M SORRY, I'M OUT OF BREATH 'CAUSE I RAN UP THE STEPS. BUT IT, IT AGGRAVATES ME THAT IT'S LIKE A SELECTIVE THING. WE WANT TO HELP ONE PERSON AT THE, AT THE RESULT OF CHANGING IT. IT'S JUST THE IDEA. YOU DID IT WITH THE MOTEL SIX. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN 50 YEARS FROM NOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW, WE MIGHT NEED THAT ROAD. WE DON'T KNOW. THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PROPERTY. THINGS THAT BELONG TO THE COMMUNITY, TAKING NINE INCHES OUT OF A ROAD TO HELP ONE PERSON THAT HAS A VI A HOUSE THAT'S STILL NOT GONNA BE IN CODE. IT'S GONNA BE A NON-CONFORMING ISSUE. I THINK THAT UNDERLYING ISSUE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. YOU JUST CAN'T DO ONE THING THINKING YOU'RE FIXING IT WHEN YOU'RE NOT. WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE ENFORCE THE ORDINANCES WE HAVE? OR LET'S GET RID OF THEM. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. MAKE UP YOUR MIND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT A TOWN THAT'S NICE AND PEOPLE LIKE TO LIVE HERE, ENFORCE THE ORDINANCES WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS. THANK YOU MR. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. YES. AND I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GREAT THINGS YOU DO. DO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANKS, MIKE BREATH. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING? STAB AT ME. YOU, MR. NAPIER. DID YOU WANNA REBUT ANYTHING THAT WAS, THAT'S BEEN SAID OR YOU DON'T? THIS PRESSURE? I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IS THAT IT IS A, UH, CODE PROVISION BOTH IN THE STATE CODE AND TOWN CODE FOR THIS PROCEDURE TO TAKE PLACE. SO WE'RE NOT VIOLATING AN ORDINANCE. THAT'S FINE. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS AVOID VIOLATING AN ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK. OKAY. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL. I THOUGHT WE HAD SNOWBOARD. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. THERE. ANYBODY COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION WITH THREE BOARD ENOUGH. WE'VE ALREADY, UM, WE HAVE, YEAH, WE ALREADY GOT THE, UH, WHEN WE VACATED, WE ALREADY GOT THE VIEWING COMMITTEES MM-HMM . RECOMMENDATIONS. SO ANYBODY IT AND, AND I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UM, WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH OUR, UM, WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY AND GETTING PEOPLE UP TO SPEED. SO IT MIGHT BE THAT NOT EVERYBODY HAS THEIR MINUTES PULLED UP. ARE YOU GOOD? OH, I CAN'T. DO YOU WANNA USE I THE MAYOR? YES, MAYOR. I, I, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. MAYOR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE GO LET THE, LET THE POLICY MAYOR. GO AHEAD. VICE MAYOR. MAD MAYOR. I MOVE. THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THE SALE OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY KNOWN AS 180 SQUARE FEET OF KIBBLER STREET, ADJOINING 219 EAST SEVENTH STREET, PREVIOUSLY CONDITIONALLY VACATED BY ORDINANCE TO THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNER APPLE CONTRACTORS, INC. IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,500 SUBJECT TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE ORDINANCE. THERE ARE SECONDS. SECOND. OKAY. SO NOW WE CAN DISCUSS, UM, THERE'S MOTION AND A SECOND. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANNA OFFER? I DO HAVE DISCUSSION AND YOU CAN JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN IT'S MY TURN SINCE I CAN'T SEE THE COUNCIL. GO AHEAD AND START. YOU CAN START. OKAY. OKAY. THIS WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE. THIS WAS NO, UM, EPISODE OF ALLOWING THE PERSON TO BUILD THE BUILDING, OR ONE, AN ISSUE OR A MISTAKE WAS MADE RECTIFYING THE SITUATION. THE BUILDING WAS ALREADY BUILT AND THE IMPROVEMENTS HAD ALREADY BEEN MADE. SO I ALSO WILL SAY THAT I DISAGREE THAT THIS IS ONLY BENEFITING ONE PERSON. OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, BENEFITS WHEN A DILAPIDATED BUILDING IS IMPROVED AND STRUCTURES ARE MADE SOUND AND THERE'S AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE OVERALL APPEARANCE AND AESTHETIC OF THE TOWN OF FOR ROYAL. IT'S WHAT WE'VE ALL COLLECTIVELY AGREED ON SINCE WE HOSTED, REVITALIZE OR DIE DOWNTOWN AS INDIVIDUALS THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OWNERS. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS IN OUR TOWN THAT HAVE SOME MIXED RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR VICE VERSA. THERE'S SOME RANDOM COMMERCIAL AREAS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I UNDERSTAND [00:15:01] THE COMPLAINTS OR THE CONCERNS, BUT AS MR. NAPIER ALLUDED TO, IS THAT WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANY ORDINANCES CURRENTLY. AND THIS COUNCIL AND THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY TO REMOVE OR CHANGE AND UPDATE ORDINANCES THAT ARE OUTDATED OR NO LONGER RELEVANT AND PERMIT THOMAS BUR ROYAL. SO I WILL JUST SAY WHEN IT FIRST CAME BEFORE COUNSEL, I WAS PERTURB TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY HAD, YOU KNOW, BUILT OR ACCESSED AND DUG ON OUR LAND AND FELT THAT THEY WERE OWED, UM, OR ENTITLED TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THAT PIECE OF LAND. BUT WE'RE NOT GIVING IT AWAY FOR FREE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, ANOTHER GOVERNING BODY WAS INVOLVED. AND THIS, UM, UNFORTUNATE OVERSIGHT IS ALL THAT I CAN SAY. SO I, I AGAIN REITERATE, LIKE I SAID, THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING THAT I EMPATHIZE WITH THIS APPLICANT AND THE TOWN HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THAT PROPERTY BEING APPROVED. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE, ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WISH TO SPEAK? YES. YES. UH, GO AHEAD MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. UH, I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT IT DOES MEET OUR CONFIDENTIAL PLAN AND SINCE THAT, UH, THAT THAT SMITH IS MIXED. MIXED MM-HMM. HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN? IT'S, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE. UH, OUR FUTURE COMP PLAN, IF I RECALL, IS THAT, IS THAT TRUE UPON MS. ? YOU'RE SAYING THAT REDEVELOPMENT NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, ISN'T IT? IT IS, IT IS ZONE AS LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED FOR, YES. OKAY. SO IT DOES, IT DOES MEET OUR FUTURE COMMON PLAN. UH, I DO, I DO UNDERSTAND, UH, MR. MCCOOL'S POSITION, UM, FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, IT PROBABLY NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, BUILT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE AT, UNFORTUNATELY. UH, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING IS THERE, UH, ARE WE GONNA MAKE 'EM TEAR IT DOWN? YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME, TEAR DOWN. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE DONE A VARIANCE, BUT I DID WANT TO DO THE VARIANCE. IT MAKES MORE SENSE IN SELLING THE UH, HUNDRED NINE SQUARE FEET. UH, I THINK THE AMOUNT IS, IS FAIR AND, UH, I THINK THIS IS A, UH, A FAIR REMEDY. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. MAYOR. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WISH TO, TO, UM, ADD ANYTHING TO THIS DISCUSSION? OKAY, SINCE THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN OT? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCIL MEDIDA MONICA PAY? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. SO, NEXT UP IS, ARE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARING. MS. PRESSLEY, IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO AT OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS? COULD BE ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. OKAY. I I WOULD. OKAY. WE NEED TO COME UP. YOU DO. AND, UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I'M GOING NEED TO, I'M GONNA READ MY LITTLE, UH, DECOR REAL QUICK. WHEN NOW COMES TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FORCE, THE AGENDA IS THE DUTY OF THE MAYOR TO CONDUCT THIS MEETING IN A MANNER PERSONS ADDRESSING THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, OR ASKED TO LIMIT THEIR REMARKS TO THOSE RELEVANT TO THE BUSINESS OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. NO PERSONS IN ATTENDANCE SHALL BE ALLOWED TO VOICE REMARKS EXCEPT AS RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR OR THE CLERK OF COUNSEL. UPON RECOGNITION BY THE MAYOR OF THE CLERK OF COUNSEL, THE SPEAKER SHALL STATE THEIR NAME, ADDRESS, AND INDICATE THAT THEY'RE A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL DIRECT. THEIR COMMENTS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL SHALL NOT, SHALL NOT ADDRESS THE SUBJECT MATTER OF A PUBLIC HEARING BEING HELD DURING THE SAME MEETING, SAY WITHIN THE ALLOTTED THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT. AFTER THAT TIME EXPIRES MIGHT BE AT ALL REFRAIN FROM WORDS OR STATEMENTS WHICH ARE DEFAMATORY TO SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS OR DISPLAY OTHER DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT INCLUDING OB, SEMI VULGARITY GROUPS OR INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE CREATING THE ATMOSPHERE DETRIMENTAL. TWO OR DISTURBING THE ORDERLY CONDUCT OF ME WILL BE WARNED TO REFRAIN FROM SUCH CONDUCT. AND ANY ADDITIONAL DISTURBANCE AFTER THE MORNING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. THE MAYOR WILL HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO ASK THE CHIEF, UH, PLEASE TO REMOVE THE INDIVIDUAL [00:20:01] GROUP OR CLEAR THE ROOM. AND THAT WAS NOT AT ALL DIRECTED TOWARDS YOU, IT'S JUST THAT HAD NOBODY SPOKEN, I COULD HAVE SAVED THAT THREE MINUTES, UH, SPIEL. SO, YES, GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS DR. MICHELLE ANN PATRON. I LIVE AT 20 BLUE RIDGE AVENUE. AND YES, I AM A RESIDENT OF FRONT ROYAL. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHEN THE VICE MAYOR SAID THERE WAS AN OVERSIGHT, HOW DOES, AS A DOCTOR OF MANAGEMENT AND ORGANIZATIONAL LEADERSHIP, WHEN I HEAR MISTAKES, I ALSO LIKE TO HEAR WHAT CAN BE DONE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MISTAKE IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. HOW DOES THE COUNCIL SEE ITSELF CORRECTING THAT MISTAKE IN THE FUTURE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY. JUST, UM, AM I GONNA SAY THIS CORRECTLY, PATRON, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO JUST, UM, JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, LIKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE PEOPLE COMPOSE QUESTIONS, BUT IT IS AT A TIME OF DISCOURSE BETWEEN COUNSEL AND CITIZEN. IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO, DURING THEIR COUNSEL REPORT, ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THEY'RE CERTAINLY ABLE TO. AND IF NOT, WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU LATER. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA KNOW, SINCE THIS WAS YOUR, PROBABLY YOUR FIRST TIME NOT YES. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. DURING I, DURING YOUR MA UH, COUNSEL REPORT, YOU CAN ANSWER, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER POINT OF INFORMATION. ARE WE ALLOWED FOR A POINT OF INFORMATION HERE OR ELSE CAN YOU JUST PLEASE ASK THAT PERSON TO REMAIN UNTIL MY COUNCIL MEMBER'S REPORT? DO YOU PLAN TO STAY UNTIL THE CA UNTIL THE NEXT SECTION? SURE. OKAY. SHE'LL BE HERE. THANK UHHUH . OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP ARE THE REPORT. SO FIRST IS THE REPORT OF THE INTERIM TOWN MANAGER. YES, MA'AM. MAYOR, UH, THE I'D LIKE TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT THE COUNTER FRONT ROYAL WILL RESUME UTILITY DISCONNECTS, UH, UTILITY SERVICE DISCONNECTS DUE TO NON-PAYMENT EFFECTIVE APRIL 15TH. UH, CUSTOMERS WITH OUTSTANDING BALANCES ARE ENCOURAGED TO TAKE ACTION TO AVOID SERVICE INTERRUPTIONS. DELINQUENT SHUT OFF NOTICES REGARDING OVERDUE ACCOUNTS WERE MAILED BEGINNING MARCH 3RD. UH, IF YOU RECEIVE A DELINQUENT SHUT OFF NOTICE AND ARE UNABLE TO PAY THE AMOUNT IN FULL, UH, PLEASE CONTACT THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE PRIOR TO THE DATE OF DISCONNECTION, UH, FOR POTENTIAL PAYMENT ARRANGEMENTS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THE POLICE REPORT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NEXT ARE THE REPORT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS VICE MAYOR. AL, DO YOU WANNA GO FIRST? YES, MA'AM. I DON'T HAVE A COUNCIL REPORT DOES THIS MONTH. I'LL FOREGO THAT SINCE I'M ATTENDING REMOTELY. I DID JUST WANNA LET THE TOWN RESIDENT WHO'S ALSO A CONSTITUENT KNOW THAT THE MISMANAGEMENT, THE MISSTEP IN THE OVERSIGHT WAS NOT REGARDING THE TOWN OF FRONT OIL OR OUR GOVERNING BODY. THEREFORE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OR DICTATION TO CORRECT THAT ISSUE GOING FORWARD. IT WASN'T THE WARREN COUNTY GOVERNMENT. UM, AND THAT IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS CONTROL OVER THE BUILDING CODE, UM, AND HAS A BUILDING INSPECTOR. SO I'M HAPPY TO ELABORATE FURTHER IN DETAIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REACH OUT TO MYSELF OR ANYBODY FROM THE TOWN VIA EMAIL OR DURING REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS. UM, BUT THERE'S NOTHING, NO CORRECTIVE ACTION TO BE TAKEN ON THE TOWN'S PART BECAUSE IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE HAD ANY SAY IN. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. WHO WOULD LIKE, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS A REPORT TONIGHT? OR I'LL WELL, I'M GONNA START. OH, YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THE LINE? NO, I, I, I NEVER KNOW. DO YOU WANNA SERVE BRUCE? EVERYBODY'S VOTE FOR VOTING. THEY'RE APPOINTING YOU. I'M GONNA START, I LIKE GOING LAST, YOU KNOW. NICE. GUYS. FINISH LAST . UH, ALL RIGHT. UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, LAST WEEK I ATTENDED, I, UH, ATTENDED A MOVIE WAS, UH, AT ROYAL CINEMA CALLED JOIN OR DIE. AND BASICALLY IT WAS ABOUT, UH, UH, SINCE ABOUT THE 1970S AND EIGHTIES, WE WERE, WE WERE SORT OF AT OUR PINNACLE OF CLUBS. AND EVER SINCE THEN, UH, WITH THE ADVENT OF THE PERSONAL COMPUTER, UH, CELL PHONES AND, UM, OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA DEVICES, UH, WE, UH, WE TEND TO NOT JOIN CLUBS ANYMORE. SO PEOPLE AREN'T TALKING TO EACH OTHER. AND, UH, I GUESS THE POINT IS, IS THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING INVOLVED, UH, IN COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. SO, UH, CLUBS LIKE THE LIONS CLUB, THE, UH, JCS ROTARY, [00:25:01] UH, THEIR, THE, THE POP THE, THE, UH, ATTENDANCE OR JOINING OF THE CLUB, UH, THEY'RE DROPPING IN MEMBERS. SO, UH, THESE ORGANIZATIONS DO A LOT OF GOODS FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND I GUESS THE END POINT WAS EVERYBODY JOIN A CLUB AND GET MORE INVOLVED IN YOUR COMMUNITY. AND THIS WAS BASED ON, UH, I BELIEVE HE WAS, UH, A PROFESSOR AT HARVARD. HIS NAME WAS ROBERT, UH, PUTNAM. UM, AND, UM, SO THAT WAS THE FIRST THING. UH, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING THAT I, UH, ATTENDED WAS THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING. AND LOCALLY ON THE TOWN WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE, A STREET BRIDGE, UH, REPLACEMENT AND COMMUNITY IMPACT MEETINGS. UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'RE ON SCHEDULE WITH THAT, UH, TO BASICALLY START SHORTLY THIS SPRING AND BE COMPLETED, UH, HOPEFULLY BY THE FALL. UH, SECONDLY, UH, THEY SPOKE, WE SPOKE ABOUT, UM, UH, POSSIBLE REMEDIES TO CONGESTION ON ROYAL AVENUE, UH, UH, AS WELL AS, UM, POSSIBLE TURN LANES PLACED BETWEEN SECOND AND THIRD AVENUE. UH, I MEAN THIRD STREETS ON COMMERCE AVENUE. UH, ED CARTER, I BELIEVE, IS GOING TO DO A IMPACTS STUDY THERE. UM, BUT AS FAR AS ANY COST, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE TOWN, UH, TO CARRY THAT COST TO POSSIBLY PUT IN ANY, ANY TURN LANES IN THERE. I'M SPEAKING ABOUT TURN LANES IN FRONT OF THE FIREHOUSE, TURNING INTO THE POST OFFICE, TOWARD THE POST OFFICE AND TURNING LANES AT SECOND STREET. SO, UM, THE OTHER THING I THINK WE SPOKE ABOUT WAS, UH, THE UPDATE ON THE WEST CHRYSLER ROAD SIDEWALK PROJECT. I BELIEVE EVERYTHING IS BETWEEN MOUNT VISTA AND THREE 40. UM, THAT I THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT OF THE ENGINEERING STAGE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENTS, BUT, UH, I KNOW WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, THE, POSSIBLY A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE, UM, PART OF THAT LAND BELONGS TO THE, UM, UH, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. UH, THE, UH, UH, THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR CAME UP AND SOME IDEAS WERE FLOATED AROUND. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE EMERGENCY, UH, THE TALK ABOUT THE EMERGENCY EXIT AT ROUTE 66 ON 2, 6 0 6, THAT, UH, RESOLUTIONS INVOLVING ALL OPTIONS HAVE KIND OF EXPIRED. UH, UH, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT POSSIBLY. YEAH. THEY WERE, THEY, WERE THEY HADN BEEN THE, THIS IS COUNCILOR . YEAH, THEY, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AND IT ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY TRACTION AT ALL. THEN IT WAS GAINING SOME TRACTION. AND THEN, LIKE YOU SAID, IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE IT JUST KIND OF SUCKED OFF THE RADAR FORM. BUT YEAH. BUT THERE WAS A, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE WERE ANY OFFICIAL DRAWINGS IN PLACE. THERE WAS CON CONCEPT IN PLACE. NO, WAS CONCEPT CONCEPTUAL, BUT I THINK IT INVOLVED, IT INVOLVED PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE TROUBLE WAS, IS THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO ASK A PRIVATE CITIZEN TO BE ABLE TO USE THEIR LAND TO, TO REACH IT. AND I, I THINK I'M, I'M, I HOPE I'M NOT TERM, BUT IT WAS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT WAS IN HOWARD ADMINISTRATION. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THEY LOOKED, THEY THREW OUT A, A, A NUMBER, I BELIEVE IT WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT. UH, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT, ED CARTER IS GOING TO INVESTIGATE THAT FURTHER WITH VDOT GRAVE GATE EVEN SAID BILL DIDN'T MAKE IT. SO THAT'S WHERE, RIGHT. UM, AND SOME, SOME IDEAS [00:30:01] ABOUT THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR THAT WERE FLOATED, UH, WAS POSSIBLE REVENUE SHARING VERSUS, UH, POSSIBLE, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITIES, UH, IN ORDER, IN ORDER TO, UH, GET THE ROAD BUILT AT SOME POINT. UH, THIS IS ALL CONJECTURE. THERE'S NO, NO FIRM PLANS, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU GOT PROPERTY OWNERS OUT THERE, THEY HAVE TO COME ON BOARD, UH, IF ANY OF THAT'S GOING TO COME TO FRUITION. UH, WHAT ELSE? UH, I THINK, I THINK I'VE COVERED PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IN THE TOWN. AND OTHER THAN THAT MAYOR, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT, EXCEPT I WOULD LIKE TO GET IN A FUTURE WORK SESSION. SOME TALK ABOUT GETTING, UH, PAVING, UH, POSSIBLY DONE ON THE WEST MAIN, THE WEST MAIN STREET. OKAY. UH, IN A FUTURE WORK SESSION, WE WILL LOOK AT WHATEVER THE PAVING PLAN IS AND, AND AT LEAST GET AN UPDATE. NOT, IT'S NOT ON IT, NOT ON PAVING PLAN. ALRIGHT. WE'LL HAVE TO, I'D LIKE GET ON THE PAVING PLAN. GOTCHA. I'M, I'M MOVING ON. I'M DOING, I MEAN, I'M, I'M MAKING YOU BE NEXT. I'M NOT WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO OFFER. WELL, MAD MAYOR. UM, I GUESS THE ONE ACTION ITEM I HAVE YOUR, I HAVE YOUR REPORT ON IT IS NOW WHAT YOU AND I, WHEN WE ATTENDED THE, UM, GRAND OPENING OF THE ART CENTER ON MAIN STREET. I'M GLAD YOU REMEMBERED THAT, . YEAH. UM, OF COURSE WE HAVE A NEW, A NEW BUSINESS HERE, UH, AN ART GALLERY DOWN HERE ON, UH, ON MAIN STREET HERE. JUST, JUST, OH, STEM BRANCH. YEAH. BRANCH. UM, UH, MAYOR CRAW AND I ATTENDED THE OPENING, UH, SESSION FOR THAT. AND THEY HAD A NICE RECEPTION. THEY HAD SOME, UH, UH, SOME APPETIZERS, UH, SOME, SOME, UH, SOME REFRESHMENTS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD ADDITION. I MEAN, THE THING THAT WAS IN THERE WERE, THEY HAD AN ARTIST WHO SPECIALIZED IN, IN, UH, LIKE RURAL FARMS OF THE NANDO VALLEY, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY COOL. UM, SO I, I, UH, WISH I, YOU KNOW, WISHED THEM ALL THE BEST AND I WAS, UH, GLAD TO BE THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT WAS LAST. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA OFFER? OH, HANG ON. I'VE GOT, UM, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK, BJ, THEY HAD A PARA OUTAGE ON THE, ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN. AND I WAS REALLY SURPRISED AS QUICK AS THEY GOT IT BACK ON. SO OUR CREWS NEED A, A THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, THOSE GUYS WORK HARD. ABSOLUTELY. BUT IT WAS LESS THAN AN HOUR. I THINK THEY HAD IT BACK ON. MM-HMM . SO I JUST WANNA BRING THAT UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, MAD MAYOR, I HAVE A FEW THINGS AND I'LL ADD TO, UH, COUNCILMAN SEA LOCK'S COMMENTS. I BELIEVE THE OUTAGE WAS ACTUALLY CAUSED BY, UH, HANOCK ELECTRIC, DROPPING THE, YEAH, IT WAS SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR CREWS RESPONDED. I LIVE OUT THERE AND, UH, FIRST UH, THING I KNEW IS THE LIGHTS ARE OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, CHIEF HAD PEOPLE OUT THERE, RIVERTON, 'CAUSE THAT'S A VERY BUSY INTERSECTION. SO KUDOS TO THE POLICE, WERE REACTING PAST NO TRAFFIC ISSUES. AND LIKE COUNCILMAN SAID, WITHIN AN HOUR, WE HAD OUR POWER BACK ON. I MEAN, AND, UH, THOSE GUYS DESERVE A LOT OF CREDIT, AS DO OUR WATER AND SEWER. PEOPLE WERE OUT HERE. WE HAD A ROAD CLOSURE TO DEATH SUSPECT IT WAS WATER RELATED. I MEAN, WE HAVE OLD INFRASTRUCTURE RIGHT NOW. THE PIPES ARE GONNA BREAK SOMETIMES WHERE OUR GUYS GO OUT MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, RAINY, 29 DEGREES, WHATEVER, THEN THEY GET THE JOB DONE. SO THANKS TO PUBLIC WORKS AND THANKS FOR, UH, PD CHIEF FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO. UH, ALONG WITH COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT, I ATTENDED THE, UM, UM, TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. AND A COUPLE THINGS I'LL MENTION, IT'S PROBABLY OF GENERAL INTEREST. I WON'T GO WAY OUT THE COUNTY, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BEING CONSIDERED BY VDOT, AND IT AFFECTS THE TOWN, BUT MORE IN THE COUNTY, WAS SOME IMPROVEMENTS ALONG AS THE 5 22 QUARTER, UH, MAKING A DEDICATED LANE FOR 66, UM, SEALING OFF ONE OF THE ENTRANCES INTO MCDONALD'S SO THERE'S NOT TRAFFIC GOING ACROSS, UM, SOME LIGHTS AND SOME OTHER THINGS ON UP TO FAIRGROUNDS ROAD. WELL, WE FOUND OUT THAT THAT DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR SMART SCALE. SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S IT. I GUESS IT WILL BE REVISITED. IT, IT IS FRUSTRATING AS A CITIZEN WHEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SIMPLE THINGS. THEY COULD GO OUT AND TAKE DOWN THE SINUSES RIGHT ON RED AND PEOPLE WOULDN'T COME OUT THERE AND TRY TO GO ACROSS THE TRAFFIC. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VDO. UM, IF YOU GO [00:35:01] OUT ROCKLAND ROAD THAT'S ON SCHEDULE, THEY'VE SET ALL THE STEEL ACROSS THE RAILROAD ON THAT FLYOVER, AND THE SCHEDULE MEANS NOVEMBER. BUT THEY'RE INCENTIVIZED. IF THEY GET DONE EARLIER, THEY'LL GET A BONUS. AND CITIZENS USE TRANSVERSING, ROCK AND ROAD WILL NOT HAVE TO GO UP TO FAIRGROUNDS AND COME ALL THE WAY AROUND. THEY MAY BEAT IT TOO, HUH? LOOKS LIKE THEY MAY BE. IF, IF THE WEATHER HOLDS OUT AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THEIR STUFF COMES TOGETHER. WELL, IT SHOULD. UM, ANOTHER THING FOR OUR CITIZENS WHO COMMUTE IN AND OUT OF TOWN ON 55 EAST, UH, THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE GOING WESTBOUND AT HIGH KNOB HAS BEEN APPROVED. SO I KNOW I PERSONALLY WAS OUT THERE THE OTHER DAY AND SAW SURVEYORS THAT WORK. SO THAT'S TO MITIGATE THE ISSUE OF THE TRAFFIC COMING INTO TOWN. PEOPLE ARE STOPPING TO TURN THE HIGH KNOB, CREATING THE SITUATION. BDOS GONNA PUT A MENTAL TURN LANE THERE SO TRAFFIC CAN CONTINUE TO FLOW. THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS OF PEOPLE COMING OVER THE HILL NOT KNOWING TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP. ACCIDENTS. THEY HAVE PUT A, UH, SIGNAL OUT THERE NOW THAT SAYS FLASHES, UH, TRAFFIC STOP AHEAD OR SOMETHING. BUT THEY SAY THAT THAT'S BEEN, UH, FUNDED AND, UH, WE SHOULD SEE SOMETHING GOING. UM, THEY ALSO TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ROYAL LANE, UH, SITUATION, WHICH WE HAD ASKED THEM TO WEIGH IN ON. AND IT'S NOTHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN OUR WORK SESSIONS, THE THREE PROPOSALS, THE LIGHT, THE ISLANDS, THE STRIKING, AND, UM, OTHERWISE, UM, I WAS THERE LATE WITH YOU GUYS. I DIDN'T GET THE PICTURE FOR THE ARTS OPENING. YES, AND THAT'S A, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL GALLERY, JUST LIKE A BUILDING UP FROM US HERE. UH, YOU SEE THE FRONT OF IT FROM MAIN STREET, BUT THERE IN THE BACK THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A PRETTY LARGE PERFORMANCE CENTER TAKING THE TOUR LATER AND HAVE A GRAND PIANO. SO IT'S ANOTHER GREAT ADDITION FOR OUR COMMUNITY, UH, CAN BE FOR PERFORMING ARTS, COULD BE GIRL SCOUTS PRACTICING A PLAY. I MEAN, THEY'RE VERY OFTEN WELCOMING TO GETTING PEOPLE IN THERE AND USING IT. UH, COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE MOVIE JOIN OR DIE. UH, UH, I'M PLEASED TO REPORT TO NOT ONLY THE COUNCIL, BUT CITIZENS, UH, LFK PLAYGROUND IS GETTING A RENOVATION IN JUNE THANKS TO, UH, CIVIC CLUBS AND ROTARY CLUBS OF WARREN COUNTY SENATOR OR VALLEY WANDERERS AND THE QUANTAS CLUB WHO COMBINED HAS CONTRIBUTED OVER $20,000 TOWARDS RENOVATING THAT PLAYGROUND. SO, UM, IF YOU GO UP THERE, THE PLAYGROUND UP ON THE HILL, WE'LL GET IT. WE'LL TEAR DOWN SOME SWING SETS. WE'RE GETTING NEW SWING BAYS IN THERE, GETTING ANOTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. WE'RE ALSO GONNA REFURBISH SOME OF THE EXISTING STUFF. AND THEN DOWN BELOW IN THE PRESCHOOLER, THEY'RE REPLACING AN OLD SLIDING BOARD THAT WE ALL PLAYED OFF. WELL, WE, WE ALL PLAYED OFF AS KID. YES. YOU'RE ALMOST AS OLD AS I, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, HE AND I DIDN'T PLAY ON IT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, IT'S THE, THE POWER OF COMMUNITY. SO WHEN ONE OF THESE GROUPS IS HAVING A FUNDRAISER LIKE BOOTS AND BOURBON OR THE INE PANCAKE, THAT'S JUST WHERE YOUR MONEY GOES. IT'S PLOWED BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE IT BETTER. SO A BIG SHOUT OUT TO EVERYBODY THAT HELPS WITH THAT. AND, UH, WE'LL, THERE'LL BE MORE ON THAT COMING UP, UH, IN IN JUNE, I'M SURE. THANK YOU. AND I'M, I'M GONNA BE QUICK. APPARENTLY I DIDN'T ATTEND ANY ACTIVITIES THIS MONTH, WHICH IS PRETTY SHOCKING TO MYSELF WHEN I LOOK BACK AT MY CALENDAR. 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN VERY BUSY SOMEHOW. BUT, UM, I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND THANK ALL OF THE, UH, TOWN STAFF. AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WITHOUT A TOWN MANAGER FOR A WHILE. AND, UM, BJ HAS STEPPED IN. BUT WHAT'S REALLY, UM, WHAT'S REALLY NICE IS THAT IT'S VERY APPARENT THAT THERE'S A GOOD STRUCTURE IN IN THE TOWN. I MEAN, COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN GOOD. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING THEIR JOBS. UM, YOU, YOU CAN'T GO WITHOUT A LEADER FOREVER. UM, BUT EVERY, EVIDENTLY EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING, YOU KNOW? AND, UM, AND THE COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN FABULOUS. AND ALSO OUR TOWN MANAGER PROCESS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS COMING CLOSE, I THINK TO AN END. BUT ANYWAY, THROUGH THAT PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD, UM, I FELT VERY MUCH IN SYNC WITH, UM, WITH OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A FEW MOMENTS OF CONFLICT LIKE WE DO EVERY TIME, UM, BUT . BUT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED THROUGH 'EM. AND I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A GOOD PROCESS. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU, THANK YOU BJ, FOR STEPPING UP. I KNOW IT'S A, A LOT. I MEAN, TO, TO BE DOING THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF, UM, TRYING TO COME UP WITH A BUDGET, [00:40:01] UM, A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BUDGET FOR AN ENTIRE TOWN AND RUN THE TOWN IS, IS, UM, PRETTY PHENOMENAL. SO APPRECIATE. BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYONE, HR, UM, YOU KNOW, PURCHASING PUBLIC WORKS, ALL OF THEM. EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE'LL COME TO THE REPORT OF THE MAYOR. UM, AND I'M LAUGHING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I USUALLY HAVE LIKE TWO PAGES AND I WAS LIKE PULLING UP. I WAS LIKE, I DIDN'T ATTEND ANY LIKE BECAUSE I'M LIKE YOU, I'M MORE EXHAUSTED OVER THE LAST MONTH THAN I THINK OF ALL THE OTHER STUFF WE HAD GOING ON. BUT, UM, BUT, UM, SO WHEN YOU SAID THAT ABOUT THE STONE BRANCH CHARGE, I WAS LIKE, HOW DID I NOT HAVE THAT IN MY CALENDAR? BECAUSE I, I DID THAT. WE WERE AT THAT RIBBON AND CUTTING. UM, AND IT IS GONNA BE A SPACE FOR OTHERS TO USE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S IN THE OLD WHERE, UM, REWE WAS, UM, UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE MOVIE THEATER. BUT, UM, SO THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO SAY, I'M LAUGHING BECAUSE WE'RE ALL KIND OF INSTINCT SOMETIMES UP HERE. 'CAUSE WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS WHAT, SO I'M JUST GONNA READ IT. I WANNA FIRST START OFF BY SAYING HOW MUCH I'M APPRECIATIVE OF OUR STAFF OVERALL, BUT TONIGHT I'M GONNA GIVE A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO MR. WILSON FIRST FOR FILLING IN AS OUR INTERIM TOWN MANAGER, WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND PREPARING OUR DRAFT BUDGET FOR 2026, MS. PRESLEY FOR ALWAYS KEEPING US ON TASK AND BEING THE BEARER OF ALL THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE TOWN, UH, TO MR. SONIC FOR ANSWERING LAST MINUTE PHONE CALLS OR EVALS WITH QUESTIONS ON NOT ONLY INTERPRETING OUR TOWN CODE OR CHARTER, BUT WRITING LEGAL DOCUMENTS AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE. AND THEN LASTLY, I'M SO GLAD SHE'S HERE. UM, I WANNA THANK ARGUMENT RESOURCE DIRECTOR, MS. LAURA MCINTOSH. UH, THIS COUNCIL DECIDED IN JANUARY THAT WE WOULD ATTEMPT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF FINDING THE NEXT TOWN MANAGER WITHOUT HIRING A COMPANY TO HELP US WITH THAT AS WE'VE DONE IN, IN, IN, AS THIS TOWN HAS DONE IN YEARS PAST. THE ESTIMATES WE WERE GETTING FOR THIS TYPE OF SERVICE WAS AROUND $30,000. UH, MS. MCINTOSH TOOK THE LEAD ON GETTING JOB POSTINGS OUT TO EVERY OUTLET POSSIBLE. UH, DRAFTED INITIAL QUESTIONS FOR CANDIDATES, DID VIRTUAL INTERVIEWS FOR COUNCIL, A REVIEW ORGANIZED IN PERSON INTERVIEWS ALONG WITH SO MANY OTHER FACETS TO THE HIRING PROCESS. AND SHE DID ALL OF THIS WHILE ALSO DOING HER DAY-TO-DAY TASKS AS THE HR DIRECTOR. SO I WANT MS. MCINTOSH TO KNOW THAT YOUR EFFORTS HAVE NOT GONE UNNOTICED AND THAT THE CITIZENS OF FRONT ROYAL SHOULD BE GRATEFUL THAT YOUR ADDED EFFORTS SAVED TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT, UM, CAN BE SPENT IN OTHER AREAS OF NEED. AND I KNOW I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, BUT I THINK IT BEARS REPEATING THAT WE HAVE THE BEST STAFF AROUND RIGHT HERE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. AND I AM VERY HUMBLED TO GET TO BE A PART OF THIS ORGANIZATION. I ALSO WANT TO EXPRESS MY SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR THIS COUNCIL. UM, YOU GUYS GAVE UP A SUNDAY AFTERNOON FOR THE RESCHEDULING OF OUR RETREAT, RETREAT DUE TO WEATHER. UH, THE SECOND RETREAT WAS NOT ONLY EFFICIENT, BUT IT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF COLLABORATION AND COOPERATION AMONGST ELECTED OFFICIALS. OUR ABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER GETS STRONGER WITH EVERY MEETING, EVEN THOUGH YOU MENTIONED LIKE SOME CONFLICTS. BUT, UM, WE ALWAYS WORK THROUGH THEM. EVERYONE'S RESPECTFUL AND OPEN TO EACH OTHER'S IDEAS. AND I'M PROUD OF THIS GROUP, UM, THAT'S SITTING UP HERE WITH ME. THIS GROUP OF DEVOTED PEOPLE. WE'VE BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH A LOT, EVEN WHEN WE WERE FACED WITH ADVERSITY. AND I FEEL CERTAIN THAT OUR NEXT TOWN MANAGER WILL SEE THE BENEFIT OF WORKING WITH THIS BODY AS WE MOVE FRONT ROLL FORWARD. SO THAT'S IT. UH, N THANK YOU. THAT WAS SINCERE. I READ IT, BUT IT WAS YES, IT'S SINCERE AS I'M WRITING IT. . SO, UM, NEXT UP IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. UH, DO I HEAR A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS LISTED SECOND. ANY DIS I DON'T THERE ANY, THERE'S NO NEED FOR DISCUSSION FOR THIS 'CAUSE IT'S CONSENT. BUT, UM, MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO ROLL CALL? COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYORAL? YES. COUNCILMAN ? YES. COUNCILMAN RAMPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN DEMON. MONICA PAYNE? YES. OKAY. SO NEXT UP ARE OUR BUSINESS ITEMS AND WE HAVE FOUR TONIGHT. AND SO THE FIRST ONE IS A NOTE AND DEED OF TRUST AGREEMENT WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY FOR DEFERRED PAYMENT OR WAIVER FOR ELECTRIC SEWER WATER CONNECTION FEES FOR THREE. UH, ARE Y'ALL SAYING, UH OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING UHHUH. I WAS LIKE, UHHUH, SO I'M SORRY. I WAS LIKE, WAIT, I'M READING. SO, UM, AND SO [00:45:01] THE SUMMARY FOR THAT IS, COUNCIL'S REQUESTED TO CONSIDER A NOTE DEED OF TRUST AGREEMENT WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, A 5 0 1 C3 TAX EXEMPT NONPROFIT FOR THE DEFERRED PAYMENT OR WAIVER OF ELECTRIC SEWER AND WATER CONNECTION FEES TOTALING $11,093 FOR 3 57 OH SAGE THREE TAX MAP, TWO 20 A DASH WAIT NO, 20 A SEVEN DASH SIX LOT 47. HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IS BUILDING A DUPLEX AT 3 57 AND 3 59 OSAGE STREET. UTILITIES CURRENTLY EXIST AT 3 59 OSAGE STREET. UM, AND, UM, JUST A NOTE, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY ORIGINALLY REQUESTED A WAIVER FOR UTILITIES AT 3 53 O SAGE STREET AS WELL. HOWEVER, OUR STAFF IS DETERMINED THAT THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT IS INTENDED TO BE SOLD. UM, IF STAFF RECEIVES A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER FOR THIS PROPERTY, IT WILL BE REVIEWED BY COUNSEL AT A FUTURE WORK SESSION. AND SO, UM, AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNSEL, APPROVE A NOTE DEED OF TRUST AGREEMENT WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AT 5 0 1 C3 TAX EXEMPT NONPROFIT FOR THE DEFERRED PAYMENT OR WAIVER OF ELECTRIC SEWER AND WATER CONNECTION FEES TOTALING $11,093 FOR 3 57 OH SAGE STREET TAX MAP, 20 A SEVEN DASH 6 5 47 WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO PREPARE AND RECORD THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. SECOND. OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION MADAM MAYOR? UH, THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF REVITALIZATION. UH, I WANT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO WANT TO THANK, UH, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY FOR, UH, THEIR DILIGENCE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THIS AREA THAT HAS BEEN IGNORED AND MAKE, MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE LONG OVERDUE. UM, SO, UH, THAT'S, UH, I DUNNO, THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL. I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB AND, UH, SINCERELY APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW ALL THE COUNSEL APPRECIATES IT AS WELL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, IF I CAN ASK MR. SONNETT, AS I UNDERSTOOD IN OUR WORK SESSIONS DISCUSSION, THIS WILL BE WAY AFTER 20 YEARS THAT THE PERSON MUST LIVE THERE. IF THEY SELL THE HOUSE BEFORE 20 YEARS, PRORATE IT, THEY, THE SELLER WOULD THEN PAY BACK TO THE TOWN. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, RIGHT. SO THE, UM, MAKE IT TO THE DEFINITION HERE, UM, THE ASSIGNEES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. OKAY. SO THE ASSIGNEES OF HABITAT FOR HUMANITIES DEFINED WILL BE DEFINED WHEN THIS IS EXECUTED. UM, UH, ARE, UM, THERE THERE WOULD BE OWNERS THAT, UH, ARE QUALIFIED HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, HOMEOWNERS UNDER THE BYLAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS PERTAINING TO HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. SO, GOING FORWARD, SO LONG AS, UH, THE PROPERTY'S OWNED BY AN ASSIGNEE UNDER THAT DEFINITION, UH, THE, THE, THE AMOUNT DUE IS REDUCED OVER 20 YEARS. UH, AT WHICH POINT IT WOULD BE WAIVED IF IT, IF IT'S OWNED BY, UH, SOMEONE NOT QUALIFYING UNDER THAT DEF DEFINITION, THEN IT WOULD TRIGGER, UH, PAYMENT OF WHATEVER THE BALANCE IS AT THAT POINT. THAT'S WHY IT'S WORDED, UM, DEFERRAL OR WAIVER. RIGHT. WELL, I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT WAY THAT WE CAN PARTNER WITH HABITAT. UH, THE CITIZENS ARE REALLY NOT PUTTING OUT MONEY. THESE ARE FEES THAT WE'RE WAIVING WITH THE CONDITION THAT, UH, SHOULD THE PERSON OCCUPYING IT NOT BE QUALIFIED WITH HABITAT, THEN THE FEES WOULD BE PRORATED PAID BACK. BUT, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING, UH, PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO GET INTO A HOUSE, UM, IT, IT, THEY'RE WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION TO PARTNER WITH. AND, UH, THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, I GUESS, IN THE FUTURE WITH OSAGE STREET TO TURN WHAT WAS SOMEWHAT STILL IS A BLIGHTED AREA INTO A NICE NEW LIVING, UM, HOUSING. AND I'M, I'M VERY PROUD TO BE ON THE COUNCIL THAT PARTNER WITH SUCH A WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION. SO, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I WANTED [00:50:01] TO ECHO, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD ORGANIZATION. WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT IS THAT IT ENGAGES THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT ALSO ENGAGES THE PEOPLE WHO WANNA LIVE IN THE HOME. YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO PUT IN THEIR SWEAT EQUITY. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OBLIGATION OF THEM TO LIVE IN THEIR LONG TERM. AND, AND EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ROBERT PUTNAM THING, ABOUT, UM, CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. YOU KNOW, PIECE OF THAT IS PEOPLE HAVE TO BE POSITIONED TO DO THAT. SO, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHEN WE INVEST IN PEOPLE AND, UM, HELP THEM GET TO A PLACE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ECONOMIC STABILITY, THEY'RE GONNA BE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO ENGAGE BACK IN THE COMMUNITY IN A POSITIVE WAY. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD. IT'S A, ULTIMATELY A GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR US. SO THANK YOU. AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE. MS. , CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SORRY. UM, ACTUALLY NO, I'M SO SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. , I MEAN, JUST 'CAUSE THIS ISN'T A, A LEGAL, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY YES MADAM HERE. YES, GO AHEAD. I'M OPEN FOR PHONE CALL COMMUNICATION. RIGHT. WITH RESPECT TO ANY OF THE TERMS IN THIS. RIGHT. OKAY. SO, BUT WHAT THIS COUNCIL'S TAKEN ACTION ON IS WHAT IS BEFORE THEM NOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MS. PRESLEY. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN ? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. 11 B IS PASS, SORRY, 11 B IT'S A REQUEST FOR FINAL SUBDIVISION PLA APPROVAL FOR MAJOR SUBDIVISION BY ALI. BE HOPE I'M SAYING THAT CORRECT. IT'S FROM ONE 3.52 ACRE PARCEL INTO EIGHT RESIDENTIAL LOTS. ONE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT LOT AND A RESIDUE LOT AT 3 36 WEST STRASSBURG ROAD. MS. PRESLEY, DO YOU MIND READING THE SUMMARY? COUNCIL'S REQUESTED TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT FOR A MAJOR SUBDIVISION SUBMITTED BY ALLIE OU FROM ONE 3.52 ACRE PARCEL AND EIGHT RESIDENTIAL LOTS. ONE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT LOT AND A RESIDUE LOT AT 3 36 WEST CHARLESBURG ROAD. THE EIGHT LOTS, THE EIGHT LOTS CAN BE DEVELOPED AS DUPLEXES BY RIGHT. SINCE THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R TWO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, I'LL OPEN UP TO COUNCIL. UM, I JUST, I JUST SAID I, I DROVE OUT THERE, BRUCE, WE, WE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION IN ORDER TO DISCUSS IT. THAT'S OKAY. LEMME MAKE THE MOTION. I'LL MAKE MOVE. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR DISCUSSION. I MOVE THE COUNCIL APPROVE OF FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT OR A MAJOR SUBDIVISION SUBMITTED BY ALL BELOW FROM, UH, ONE 3.52 ACRE PARTIAL INTO EIGHT RESIDENTIAL LOTS. ONE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT LOT AND A RESIDUE LOT AT 3 36 WEST CHARLESBURG ROAD. RIGHT HERE. A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. NOW WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION. GO AHEAD. COUNCILMAN REPPORT. YES. UM, I, I GUESS WHEN I DROVE OUT THERE OVER THE WEEKEND AND I LOOKED AT IT, I I I DID NOT, I DID NOT GO ALL THE WAY UP STRS ROAD. I WENT DOWN FOREST HILL DRIVE AND, UM, THE, THE PLAT THAT, THAT, THAT I LOOKED AT, UM, INDICATED TO ME THAT THE ENTRANCE WAS GOING TO BE OFF FOUR SEVEN DRIVE. UM, IS THAT CORRECT TO, ON MS. KAKI? HOLD UP HERE. PAGE 59 OF OUR AGENDA HELPS LIKE IT BASED ON WHAT WE HAD IN OUR AGENDA HERE. YEAH, THERE WERE MORE. YEAH. OKAY. SEE, IT COMES IN THE CURVE OR IT LOOKED LIKE AT THE BIG CURVE. AT THE CURVE. IT DOES LOOK AS THOUGH IT IS COMING OFF FOREST HILL DRIVE. YES. OKAY. UH, I DIDN'T, I DID NOT SEE, SEE ANY, UH, PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS. THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAN. OKAY. THIS ISN'T, SO THEY WERE, THEY WERE REMOVED. WELL, THIS WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION LAST MONTH. PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED IT, AND THEN IT, IT'S COMING TO YOU. THIS IS LIKE TONIGHT. THIS ISN'T A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. BECAUSE ONE OF THE RESIDENTS CAME OUT AND SPOKE TO ME AND APPARENTLY THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO, UH, MRS. THIS IS MORE IN THE, IN THE MANNER OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACT RIGHT. BY COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT'S LIKE A [00:55:01] BACKSTOP TO STAFF. UH, OUR TOWN CODE IS WORDED THAT WAY TO CREATE THIS. THAT'S, AND AGAIN, I CHARACTERIZE IT AS A BACKSTOP TO STAFF FOR MORE EYES ON WHAT IS OTHERWISE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ACT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY IT'S WHERE THERE'S A PLA APPROVAL. RIGHT. SO NOT ZONING, IT'S NOT A LAND USE ISSUE. IT'S ALREADY BY RIGHT. ALREADY REZONING. OKAY. NOT A LAND USE. IT DOESN'T REZONED. IT WAS THIS IS BY RIGHT. IT'S ZONED R TWO. SO THEY, THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO, THAT'S WHAT CALL, SO THIS IS NOT A LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE. OKAY. AND MS. PENSKI, I CAN'T SEE WHEN I, EVEN WHEN I BLOW THIS UP IN THIS SITE PLAN, DO WE HAVE A UH, UH, UH, WATER RUNOFF RETENTION POND? THERE WILL BE A, OKAY. THERE WILL BE ONE. UM, BUT THIS IS NOT THE SITE PLAN. THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAN. RIGHT. SO THAT BASICALLY THE SITE PLAN'S GONNA COME NEXT. WELL, WE KNOW THAT WE HAD A SPEAKER COME BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL ABOUT RUNOFF ON DUCK STREET. SO YEAH. UH, THAT'S GONNA BE A PAVED SURFACE. SO, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CURB AND GUTTER, UM, AND WATER RUNNING INTO A RETENTION POND, NOT GOING DOWN AND DROWNING OUT PEOPLE. AND, I MEAN, COUNSEL'S THE ONLY ONE AT THIS POINT THAT CAN WAIVE CURBING GUTTERS. SO FOR THEM TO NOT HAVE IT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT. BUT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE THIS, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN IF THEY DIDN'T ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THAT. SO, SO IT'S, IT'S REQUIRED. YEAH. WHICH WOULD ADDRESS THAT CONCERN. THAT'S, THAT'S ABOVE THE COUNT. IT'S THANK YOU COUNTY. EXACTLY. YEAH. VICE MAYORAL, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? I DID. WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING YET ON THIS ITEM. AND THIS IS NOT THE FINAL REVIEW, BUT I DID WANT TO KNOW FOR, UM, COUNCILMAN LLOYD MENTIONED THE PERSON WHO CAME AND SPOKE AT OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING. AND THEN I KNOW, UH, COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT SAID HE HAD SPOKE TO SOME CONCERNED, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AT OUR LAST WORK SESSION WHERE THIS WAS ADDED TO THE AGENDA. IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THE PERSON WHO SPOKE AT OUR REGULAR MEETING LAST MONTH, THEIR PROPERTY WILL NOT BE IMPACTED AND IS NOT EVEN IN THE RUNOFF AREA OF THIS, UM, SITE PLAN THAT'S BEING SUBMITTED. SO THAT WAS ADDRESSED AT OUR LAST WORK SESSION. I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY. AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES WITH RUNOFF ON DUCK STREET. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GONNA PREVENT HAVING A FUTURE PROBLEM WITH ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS BELOW. 'CAUSE WATER AS WELL NOW RUNS DOWN THE, AND IF SEES ITS OWN PATH, THAT'S GONNA FIND ITS PATH. I WILL, I WILL ADD, MAYOR, THAT, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTOUR OF THE ARROW MAP, IT RUNS AWAY FROM, IT RUNS AWAY FROM, UH, THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT ON DUCK STREET. HOWEVER, IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD DRIVE, IF YOU WOULD DRIVE OUT TO THAT PROPERTY, THAT PROPERTY IS AT A LOW POINT. IT'S UNFORTUNATE. IT'S AT A LOW POINT. AND I, I KNOW ALL ABOUT LOW ONES. , I LIVE, I LIVE IN A PROPERTY THAT HAS, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU, IT'S SORT OF A BALL WE'RE GOING, BUT THE COUNCILMAN WOOD POINT, IT, IT, IT, THERE THERE ARE SOME MITIGATION, MITIGATION THINGS THAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF THAT'S DONE PROPERLY AND THAT WILL BE THE NEXT STAGE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR, SO EVERYBODY'S READY? OKAY. MS. PRESBY, CAN WE DO THE VOTE? COUNCIL ? YES. VICE MAYOR FEL? YES. COUNCILMAN ? YES. COUNSEL MEDICAL COURT? YES. COUNCIL ? YES. COUNCILMAN DE DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. MS. UM, PASSES 11 C IS A REQUEST FOR REVISIONS TO THE SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PLAN BY MIRANDA HOLMES. HOPE I'M SAYING THAT ONE RIGHT TOO. FOR HAPPY CREEK SECTION FOUR LOT 4, 5, 6, 29 AND 30. SO THE SUMMARY FOR THIS IS COUNCIL'S REQUEST TO CONSIDER REVISIONS TO A SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PLAN SUBMITTED BY MIRANDA HOLMES INCORPORATED, [01:00:01] PREP CREEK, NO, SECTION FOUR LOTS, 4, 5, 6, 28 AND 30. SONY APPROVAL WAS ISSUED ON THE LOTS ON THE FOLLOWING DATE, SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2024. OCTOBER 23RD, 2024. LOT SIX WAS SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2024. LOT 29 WAS SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2024 AND LOT 30 WAS SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2024. UH, THE ZONING PERMITS WERE APPROVED CONTINGENT UPON THE CONSTRUCTION AND COMPLETION OF A RETAINING WALL PRIOR TO THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY BEING ISSUED FOR EACH LOT. TOWN CODE SECTION 1 48 DASH 3 15 4. A REVISION TO SUBDIVISION DESIGN REQUIRES THAT ANY CHANGE MUST BE APPROVED BY THE TOWN IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCEDURES OF THIS CHAPTER. PRIOR TO FIELD CHANGES, THE EXTENT OF THE REVISION DETERMINES WHETHER THE CHANGE TO THE PLANS CAN BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY OR BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE INITIAL APPROVAL BY THE TOWN WAS FOR NO SLOPE TO BE GREATER THAN A THREE TO ONE RATIO UNLESS RETAINING WALLS ARE CONSTRUCTED. THE PROPOSED CHANGE CHANGES, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, NO RETAINING WALLS CANNOT BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. AND THIS, THIS CONSTITUTES A REVISION TO THE MAJOR SITE DEVELOPMENT. AND MS. CAPISH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING DID, DID, DID YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THIS EXTRA HONOR? IT'S BASICALLY EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, BUT I'VE GOT PHOTOS IF YOU WANT SEE THEM. OKAY. SO LET ME JUST SAY THIS. SO COUNSEL HAD, UM, DURING THE WORK SESSION, UM, QUITE A LONG PRESENTATION FROM OUR PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF. AND, UM, MS. CAP HAS SOME PICTURES UP THERE JUST TO REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MEMORY ABOUT THAT. UM, MR. WARE GAVE US, UM, A VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE, DO YOU ALL WANT HER TO REVIEW ANY OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PRESENTATION OR DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY I THINK SHE SHOULD SHOW THE PICTURES OF THE SLOPES OF THE ACTUAL HOUSES. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THE CLICKER. I DON'T HAVE A CLICKER. IS THE CLICKER UP HERE? THERE'S SIX. YEAH, I THINK IT'S OKAY. YOU READY? IS THIS THE CLICKER? YEAH, JUST THE, THE NO, THE ACTUAL OKAY. YOU KNOW, AT THE HOUSE. OKAY. NOT WORKING. NO, NO. CHARLES. YEAH. NICK. CLICKER'S NOT WORKING. SO I CLICK DOWN. OH, MOVING NOW IS SEE THE CLICKER? HE MIGHT BE, YOU MAY BE OVERRIDING. CARL, ARE YOU MOVING THIS? YEAH, I, ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS JUST THE AERIAL VIEW OF LOTS. 29, 30, UH, FOUR, FIVE AND SIX. SO 29 AND 30 ARE THE, UH, TOP TWO LOTS. 4, 5, 6 ARE YOUR LOWER LOTS. THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR STORM WATER RETENTION POND. ALRIGHT, CHARLES, GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. YES. UM, KEEP GOING. OKAY. THIS IS JUST THE, UM, JOHN ACTUALLY PUT THESE TOGETHER FOR US. SO THIS JUST SHOWS GRAPHICALLY WHAT THE SLOPE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE FOR EACH LOT. SO THIS IS LOT FOUR. SO AS HE STATED IN THE WORK SESSION, EVERYTHING THAT WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO THIS WAS A THREE TO ONE SLOPE. RIGHT NOW IT HAS BEEN GRADED. I BELIEVE IT'S A 2.2 TO ONE. AND THEN CHARLES THE NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE. YEP. AND THEN LOT FIVE. IS THAT A, I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE A 1.89 TO 1.9. YEP. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ONE. ACTUALLY, THIS ONE IS LIKE A 2.5. I DON'T . UM, BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT WAS APPROVED. SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING TONIGHT IS THAT YOU GUYS GO AHEAD AND APPROVE NOTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS BECAUSE WITHOUT THE RETAINING WALLS, THE GEOTECH REPORTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, IT APPEARED AS THOUGH FROM OUR CONSULTANT THAT THEY TESTED UNDERNEATH THE, THE FOUNDATIONS. THEY DID NOT NECESSARILY TEST THE SLOPES, WHICH IT STAFF OPINION DOESN'T DO. BUT IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE PHOTOS. SO THIS IS LOT FIVE. THIS IS ACTUALLY BEHIND 5, 4, 5 AND SIX. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, YOU CAN JUST SEE THE STEEPNESS AND HOW CLOSE THE EDGE OF THAT SLOPE IS TO THE, TO THE REAR OF THESE HOMES. AND SO WHAT STAFF'S BASICALLY ASKING IS THAT BY DENYING THIS, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT THE RETAINING WALLS IN THAT WILL KEEP THE DIRT IN PLACE AND ITSELF. HOW DON'T KNOW RETAINING WALLS BE WHAT THEY I I DON'T THINK THAT WE ALLOW 'EM A, IT [01:05:01] SIX, FOUR FEET, JOHN FOR RETAINING WALL. JOHN, WHAT'S IT LIKE THOUGH? WHAT DID WE APPROVE? MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWED BY TOWN CODE IS SIX FEET. SIX FEET, OKAY. AND THESE HOUSES DO HAVE BASEMENTS DOWN. AT LEAST THE ONE THERE, THAT ONE ON THE END DOES. AND I, I THINK ALL THREE OF 'EM DO ACTUALLY. YEAH, THEY, WE EVEN SAW SOME PICTURES AND LIKE ON THE SIDE WHERE THE LITTLE STAIRS WENT DOWN THE SIDE. WELL, AND I'M THINKING ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION. YES, YES, YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M SORRY. YOU HAS THE NEXT ONE. IT SHOULD ANOTHER ONE. WE SAW ALL THESE PICTURES BEFORE IT HAD, SO THAT ONE HAS, THAT ONE HAS IT TOO OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND THERE WAS SOME TALK THAT THESE WERE SOLD, RIGHT? ALREADY THESE HAVE ALL BEEN SOLD. SO I MEAN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOLKS MAY SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE BOUGHT 'EM OR WHATEVER. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT THE FIRST TIME I BOUGHT A HOME, YOU KNOW, I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE HOUSE. I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A SLOPE AND THE WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, SO, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHO BOUGHT THIS THAT THEY WOULD REALLY KNOW WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN. RIGHT. UM, AND IT COULD BE DISASTROUS FOR THEM ECONOMICALLY. SO, UM, ANYWAY, YES. AND HAD LIVING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT'S UP TO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS 55, IT'S CREATED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S ENDED UP OVER, I MEAN LIKE LITERALLY CREATED DIVOTS IN PEOPLE'S FRONT YARDS. LIKE, BECAUSE AS YOU SAID EARLIER, WATER IS GOING TO FIND ITS, IT'S GONNA GO. AND, UM, AND SOMEBODY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T HAVE THE FORESIGHT THAT, THAT WAS, THAT THAT COULD EVENTUALLY CAUSE CREATE ISSUES. NOT FOR THE, THE ORIGINAL HOMEOWNERS, BUT THE PEOPLE, UM, IN OTHER PLACES. SO, AND THIS HAS BEEN A DROUGHT PERIOD, YOU KNOW? YEAH. SO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT ALL THE STAFF WAS OUT THERE AFTER IT RAINED BETWEEN WHEN THEY GRADED AND WHEN IT RAINED. AND AS WE WERE STANDING OUT THERE, YOU, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADD THAT THIS IS THE EXACT THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ITEM BEFORE THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING BEFORE COUNCIL. SO COUNCIL SHOULD JUST BE MINDFUL THAT WE'RE SETTING THE PRECEDENCE THAT THIS WAS ONCE REQUIRED IN REGARDS TO THE STORMWATER RUNOFF AND RETENTION. AND NOW IT'S BEING CONSIDERED TO BE WAIVED. AND THIS IS THE EXACT THING THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING FOR THE ITEM BEFORE THIS. JUST ADDING THAT IT SETS THE PRECEDENT. CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES? THE ITEM ON CHARLESBURG ROAD REGARDING THE STORMWATER RUNOFF? GO. I THINK ONE OR TWO MORE. KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING UNTIL WE GET TOGETHER. ALRIGHT, STOP. THERE YOU GO. RIGHT HERE IS, THIS IS LOT 29. UM, IT'S 29. AND THEN, UH, WHERE I BELIEVE WHERE JOHN IS STANDING, THE PHOTO IS LINE THIRD. WHERE'S JOHN? HE WAS TAKING THE PHOTOS. I WAS LIKE, JOHN, YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, JOHN, ARE YOU BEHIND THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT. GOTCHA. JOHN, GET OUTTA THE OFFICE THAT DAY. . BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, THESE WERE THE SLOPES THAT IN THE GEOTECH REPORT WHEN CHA REVIEWED THIS AND COMMENTED ON IT FOR US, BUT THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY ADDRESS WHETHER THE STABILITY, IF WE DENY THIS, WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN TO THEM? THEY HAVE TO, THEY EITHER THEY PUT THE RETAINING WALLS IN PLACE OR THEY HAVE TO FIND SOME WAY TO MAKE IT A THREE SMOKE. WHICH THOSE CURRENT HOMES, WELL, MOST OF 'EM THEY CAN BECAUSE THAT WOULD COME INTO THE HOUSE. COME INTO THE HOUSE. INTO THE HOUSE, RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, SO STAFF HAS PRESENTED, UM, AND I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY MADE A MOTION YET. , SO WE STAFF PRESENTED. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WHAT, WHAT'S THE RATIO ON THIS PARTICULAR, UM, 29. IF GO BACK, YOU CAN GO BACK TO LOT 29. THAT GRAPHIC THERE. THERE YOU GO. GO BACK. THERE YOU GO. UM, NO, THAT'S, NO, IT'S LOT 29. THAT'S LOT 29. IT'S TWO AND A HALF. GO ONE MORE. GO TO LOT 30. GO TO LOT 30. THAT, YEAH, THERE YOU GO. LOT 30. SO THAT'S THE ONE WHERE, UM, THE SLOPE WOULD GO INTO THE HOUSE IF YOU MAINTAIN THE THREE OR MORE. THIS IS THE SUNROOM. OH BOY. IF YOU LOOK AT IT. OH, YEAH. BUT THIS IS THE MOST, THIS IS THE WORST ONE. I I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. UM, ALL I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO ASK. RIGHT. FOR CLARIFICATION. THEY WERE AWARE MM-HMM . [01:10:01] OF WHAT THE SLIP SHOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT. PRIOR TO APPROVED CONSTRUCTION. RIGHT. SO, SO THEY WERE AWARE WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. AND AFTER IT'S BUILT, THEY'RE ASKING TO, THEY PURCHASED, FINISHED LOTS FROM ANOTHER DEVELOPER. OKAY. SO THIS IS NOT THE INITIAL DEVELOPER OF THIS SITE. RIGHT. SO WHEN MIRANDA HOLMES CAME IN AND BOUGHT THESE, THEIR EXPLANATION IS THAT THEY WERE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THESE WERE GRADED APPROPRIATELY. OKAY. UM, I, THAT'S NOT OUR VERIFY IF IT WAS GRADED TO THE PLAN, BUT THAT'S NOT, UM, THAT'S NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TOWN BEFORE SOMEBODY PURCHASE IT, IS IT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THEY HAD EVERY, THAT IS PART OF THEIR DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS. RIGHT. OKAY. I I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WASN'T A MISTAKE OF THE TOWN. RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YOU SAY IT WAS AFTER A RAIN AND YOU WERE THERE AND THE, THE DIRT WAS, THEY WERE, AND THEY HAD THE EQUIPMENT OUT THERE. SO THEY WERE BRAIDING, THEY WERE MOVING DIRT IN A ANOTHER AREA, BUT THE DIRT WAS FALLING DOWN AS WE WERE SICK. I, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR CLARITY. ON THE MOTION ON MOVE COUNSEL DENY THE REVISIONS. THEY'RE ASKING FOR REVISION, THEY'RE ASKING. SO WE HAVE THE WALLS, WE DENY. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE, UM, SO YOU SAY THEY, THEY, MIRANDA PURCHASED IT AFTER THE HOMES WERE ALREADY BUILT? NO, MIRANDA PURCHASED THE FINISHED LOTS. SO THESE LOTS WERE SUBDIVIDED OUT, I BELIEVE IN 2015. THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THAT TIME APPROVED A RATIO OF THREE TO ONE SLOPES, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN OUR, UM, SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. BUT WITH THE GEOTECH REPORT STATING THAT THE SOIL IS STABLE, IT'S ACCEPTABLE, THEY APPROVED IT. THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED THREE TO ONE SLOPE. WHEN THIS, THESE LOTS WERE PURCHASED, THEY NEEDED TO BE GRADED AT A THREE TO ONE SLOPE. MIRANDA HAS EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. THEY SHOULD HAVE CHECKED THESE HOUSES ARE NOT THE SAME HOUSES THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY THOUGHT. THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION, WAS THEY WERE, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SPLIT LEVEL. RIGHT. AND IF THEY HAD BEEN SPLIT LEVEL, IF THEY REMAINED SPLIT LEVEL WOULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT SLIGHTLY. BUT I THINK ALSO, I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT WHEN THEY TOOK DIRT AWAY, THEY CUT THE LOT DOWN SO THAT INSTEAD OF KIND OF GOING UP THE HILLY DRIVEWAY MM-HMM . IT'S JUST FLAT MM-HMM . AND BY DOING THAT, THEY, THEY ESSENTIALLY MADE IT, THEY MADE IT STEEPER THAN IT IT ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE BEEN. AND THE, THE FOOTPRINTS OF THOSE HOMES ARE, ARE MUCH LARGER THAN, UM, WHAT I THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT LOT. IT STILL FITS WITHIN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT JUST DOESN'T FIT IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR STANDARDS. SO YEAH, IT'S, UM, OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTION, I'LL OPEN UP, UM, TO COUNSEL FOR A MOTION. I SAW SOMEBODY WITH A BLUEPRINT OR SOMETHING RUNNING AROUND HERE. IS THERE, HE'S BEEN OUT. HE LOVES, HE WAS WITH THE, HE WAS WITH THE PREVIOUS SUBDIVISION. OH, OKAY. BECAUSE HE WAS SITTING BESIDE MADAM MAYOR. I MOVE THAT THE COUNCIL DENY REVISIONS TO SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PLANS SUBMITTED BY RHONDA HOMES INCORPORATED FOR HAPPY CREEK KNO. SECTION FOUR BLOCKS 4, 5, 6, 28 AND 30. THERE'S A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I'M SORRY. UH, UH, COUNCILMAN ? ANY DISCUSSION? I FEEL LIKE WE'VE ASKED LOTS OF QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SAY COURT. WE WERE JUST TALKING AGAIN. UM, IT JUST TO BE SURE. 28 AND 30. SO 29, 34, 5 AND SIX. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MOTION SAYS. SO I NEED TO AMEND MY MOTION. MADAM CLERK FOUR, FIVE AND 6 29 AND 30, CORRECT? YEAH, MS. KAMINSKY. ALRIGHT. WE JUST HAD A TY ON. OKAY. I AMEN. MY MOTION TO 29 30. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THERE WAS A MOTION. THERE WAS A SECOND VICE MAYOR ENTAL, DID YOU HAVE DISCUSSION? I HAD A QUESTION DISCUSSION. UM, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAD HEARD SOMEBODY FROM OUR LEADING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT SAY THAT PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, RECOMMENDED BACK IN 2015 WHEN THEY WERE SUBDIVIDED THE THREE ONE RATIO. BUT THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY WHAT WE REQUIRE. WHAT IS IT WAS A STUDENT, THE, THE, OH, I'M SORRY. THE GO REPORT. WHAT IS, WHAT THE TOWN TYPICALLY REQUIRES? SO IT'S TYPICALLY BETWEEN, UH, I THINK IT'S LESS THAN 15%, BUT THERE ARE STIPULATIONS FOR SLOPES BETWEEN LIKE 15 TO 25% BASED [01:15:01] ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A HIGHLY ERODIBLE SOIL OR, UM, WHETHER IT'S STABLE OR NOT. AND WHETHER A SOIL ENGINEER DETERMINES IT'S STABLE. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? SO LET'S TAKE A VOTE. THE MOTION IS TO DENY COUNCILMAN WOOD. YES. VICE MAYOR AL. YES. COUNCILMAN ? YES. IN ? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. SO THE MOTION PASSES TO DENIED. UH, LAST BUSINESS ITEM WE HAVE TONIGHT IS A WAIVER, WAIVER OF CURB, GUTTER AND SIDEWALK FOR AARON HIKE AT, UH, 10 11 AND 10 13 VIRGINIA AVENUE. AND, UM, MS. KISH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVE, I KNOW IT WAS THIS CONFUSING AS, UM, THIS LAST ONE WAS GONNA BE BE JASON TO BE THE MIDDLEMAN AGAIN. SORRY, YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE GONNA BE PLAYING A GAME OF TELEPHONE HERE. YES. YEAH. I DON'T NEED THE CLICK. NOPE. CLICKER DOESN'T WORK. WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE CLICKER ALL. GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE. THAT RIGHT? YEAH, RIGHT THERE. THERE. YEAH. OH, ONE MORE. ONE MORE. OKAY. I'M GONNA HAVE TO TURN AROUND BECAUSE IT'S SO SMALL. OKAY. THERE WE GO. A LITTLE BIT BETTER. ALRIGHT. SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CURB AND GUTTER WAIVER AT, UM, 10 11 AND 10 13 VIRGINIA AVENUE. SO THE APPLICANT HERE, THEY ARE CONSTRUCTING A DUPLEX ON THIS LOT. UM, PURSUANT TO 1 48, 8 50, COUNSEL CAN WAVE THE CURB AND GUTTER, UH, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH THERE ARE NOT. UM, STAFF IS JUST RECOMMENDING DENIAL IN THIS INSTANCE BECAUSE THE PAVING PLAN THAT WE HAVE, UM, ANTICIPATES THAT WE WILL BE PAVING THERE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. UM, AND THE ALTERNATIVE TO THE WAIVER IS THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN PAY FOR THE CURBING GUTTER AND THE TOWN CAN INSTALL IT AT A LATER DATE. UM, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO JUST HAVE A SMALL SECTION OF CURB AND GUTTER HERE. I THINK YOU'RE GONNA CAUSE EROSION ISSUES. YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE THE VELOCITY, UM, INTO THE TWO ADJOINING PARCELS. UM, BUT YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IS EVERYBODY ELSE SUBSIDIZING THE COST OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THAT IS WHAT MS. CAPISH, THE KEVIN'S HOUSE HAS DEVELOPED ACROSS THE STREET RECENTLY. UM, DIAGONAL THE PICTURE THAT NOW ON THE RIGHT, UM, WAS THERE A BOND PUT IN PLACE FOR THE SIDEWALKS OR CURB AND GUTTER RATHER FOR THOSE? NO. AND THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHY CURB AND GUTTER WASN'T INSTALLED AT THAT POINT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A WAIVER. I BELIEVE THAT WAS, I THINK THAT WAS PRIOR TO US BEING HERE. I KNOW LAST YEAR THERE WAS ANOTHER DEVELOPER THAT WE ENDED UP JUST TAKING A BOND FOR THE SIDEWALKS. I THINK THEY PAID LIKE 13 OR $16,000 TO THE TOWN SO THAT WE WOULD JUST GO IN AND INSTALL IT OURSELVES WHEN WE'RE READY. BUT ACROSS THE STREET, ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE HAD URBAN GUN INSTALLED. BUT THAT WAS PRIOR TO YOUR TIME HERE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YEAH. UM, PERHAPS THE ONES I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD THAN THEY'VE BEEN DEVELOPED WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS. THE ONES THAT FORM THE BILL. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. PURCHASE SOONER THEN. UM, DO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CAPISH? I HAVE IT FOR BJ. OH, GO AHEAD. SINCE ROBBIE ISN'T HERE. SO WE HAVE A PLAN ON VIRGINIA AVENUE UP THROUGH THERE TO REPLACE WATER. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SEWER, BUT CURB AND GUTTER AND SIDEWALK THERE. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF REGARDING THIS? SO IT'S YOUR ADVICE, OPINION, OR RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, THAT WE HOLD TRUE AND HAVE THE DEVELOPER PLACE A BOND. SO WHEN WE DO DO IT, HE IS, THE DEVELOPER HAS PAID FOR HIS SECTION. RIGHT. IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR IT TO BE INSTALLED AT THIS TIME. IT MAKES SENSE. RELEVANT TO BE INSTALLED AT THE RIGHT. SO, BUT THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS ON THE REQUEST. AND I KNOW I, I'VE SHARED THIS, BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED ON MY STREET. WE PAID AHEAD OF TIME, BUT THEY SAID YOU'RE GONNA GET A MUCH, UH, CLEANER PROJECT IF YOU JUST WAIT UNTIL THE TOWN COMES IN AND DOES THE WHOLE STREET. AND [01:20:01] THOSE OF US THAT PAID FOR IT HAD ALREADY PAID FOR IT. AND THOSE THAT DIDN'T, THEY HAVE A LIEN ON THEIR PROPERTY SO THAT WHEN THEY GO TO SELL IT, THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY THE TOWN BACK FOR THAT. SO, SO, AND, AND I'VE BEEN HERE ALL TWO YEARS. SO PAST PRACTICE HAS BEEN FOR THE DEVELOPER AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT, PUTTING AT LEAST CURB GUTTER. AND AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE SIDEWALK DISTANCES, I KNOW WE JUST HAD THE CASE DOWN AT ON CROSBY ROAD, CROSBY, YOU KNOW, YOU GO DOWN, UH, AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SAYING THAT MORE WE CLOSE EIGHTH STREET, BUT MM-HMM . YOU GO DOWN CROSBY DRIVE CROSBY WAY OR WHATEVER, AND THERE'S TOWNHOUSES THERE HAVE CURB GUTTER, PROBABLY THE WIDTH OF THIS ROOM AND THE THEORY BEHIND IT, THE REASON WHY IT'S IT'S IN THE CODE IS TYPICALLY THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE TOWN SHOULDN'T BE SUBSIDIZING THE COST OF NEW INFRASTRUCTURE AND NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU REQUIRE THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS THE CURB AND GUTTER. AND EVENTUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS, IN THEORY, YOU WOULD JUST START, THE TOWN WOULD START TO FILL IN MM-HMM . BUT FOR LONG SECTIONS OF TIME, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE SIDEWALKS TO NOWHERE OR LITTLE LIKE SECTIONS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, 20, 30 FEET WIDE. WE HAVE THIS AND WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S CAUSES A MAINTENANCE ISSUE AND IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHY THE, UM, WHY WE WOULD NOT HAVE PART OF THE BOND IN THE MOTION. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S JUST A DENIAL WITH NO OPPORTUNITY. DON'T, DON'T WE NEED SOMETHING IN THE MOTION THAT ALLOWS THEM TO PUT A BOND ON IT THAT'S IN TOWN. SORRY. UM, THAT'S IN TOWN CODE COVERED. SO WE DENY THIS. THEN TOWN CODE TAKES OVER IN THE BUILDER. THE DEVELOPER FOLLOWS THE, IT FOLLOWS THE NORMAL COURSE. THE ACTION IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL IS TO APPROVE OR DENY THE WAIVER. UM, IF THE, IF IT'S APPROVED, THEN IT'S WAIVED. IF IT'S DENIED, THEN IT REVERTS BACK TO TOWN CODE. WHICH I DO THINK, UM, THE FACT THAT IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IN THE ABSENCE OF A TOWN ENGINEER, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A TOWN ENGINEER, THEN COUNCIL IS TASKED WITH THAT. AND I KNOW THAT I HAVE THOUGHT FOR A WHILE, UM, THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT TOWN CODE AT SOME OF THE PLACES WHERE IT SAYS WAIVERS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, YOU JUST, YOU ASK SOMEBODY ASKED ABOUT OTHER PROPERTY, UM, DEPENDING ON WHO'S SITTING HERE, SOMETIMES THE WAIVERS GO THROUGH AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. MM-HMM . AND I THINK THAT THAT SENDS A MESSAGE OF INCONSISTENCY TO OUR CITIZENS AND TO THE BUILDERS AND CONTRACTORS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE. YES AND NO. YES. AND SO IF YOU TAKE THAT DECISION AWAY FROM THE COUNTY, I MEAN, THERE'S A TOWN ENGINEER, IT'S DIFFERENT. BUT IN THAT CASE, IN TIME CODE, IT LEAVES IT UP TO THE COUNCIL DEPENDING ON WHO'S SITTING HERE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT SHOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, MOVING FORWARD, WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT REMOVING THE WAIVERS. I THINK WE SHOULD PUT THE WORK SESSION. WE'VE DISCUSSED IT TWICE BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL HAS SEEN AN UNPRECEDENTED NUMBER OF A ALLEY VACATIONS AND B CURB AND GUTTER WAIVERS. RIGHT. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANNA KEEP AND WHAT DO WE NOT WANT? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE SMART TO KEEP AS A WAIVER AND WHAT WOULD NOT BE, WHAT'S MOST EFFICIENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS? OKAY, THANK YOU. SO I WILL OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL AND MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL DENY THE WAIVER OF CURB, GUTTER SIDEWALK INSTALLATION OF 10, 11 AND 10 13 VIRGINIA AVENUE AS REQUESTED BY AARON. MIKE SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? PROBABLY NOT. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE GO AHEAD. SORRY. I HAVE TO MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO ADD IT NOW BEFORE THE VOTE TAKES PLACE THAT I WILL BE ABSTAINING FROM THIS VOTE. I DO NOT HAVE ANY FINANCIAL INTERESTS IN THIS PROJECT, AND I'M NOT PERSONALLY TIED TO IT. HOWEVER, I DO WORK WITH PIKE CONSTRUCTION, SO I WILL ABSTAIN FROM VOTING ON THIS PROJECT AND ANY FUTURE PROJECTS WITH HIM. OKAY. MADAM MAYOR, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, I KNOW IT'S IN OUR PLAN FOR, TO DO THIS, UH, SIDEWALK, CURB AND GUTTER FOR THIS SECTION OF THE STREET. BUT AS WE'VE SEEN BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD TURN ON A WHIM WITH OUR, WITH BUDGET CONSTRAINTS AS WE FACE EVERY YEAR. SO MY CONCERN IS THAT IF THIS APPLICANT IS FORCED TO BUILD THIS, UM, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY BUILD BEFORE THIS GETS BUILT. YOU KNOW, ARE WE, ARE, ARE, ARE WE GONNA LET THEM, I MEAN, WE GOT HOUSES ARE ALREADY UP. YEAH, BUT I MEAN, YOU MEANS THE CURB AND GUTTER CURB AND GUTTER MEAN, IF THE CURB AND GUTTER GETS BUILT, THEN WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A YEAR'S WORTH OF, OR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG OF, OF, LIKE YOU SAID LAUREN, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID IT [01:25:01] MULTIPLE TIMES WITH JUST A SECTION OF STREET, YOU KNOW, CHANNELING WATER FURTHER DOWN, YOU KNOW, DOWNSTREAM TO WASH OUT PEOPLE'S YARDS. I MEAN, IS THAT A POTENTIAL, IF WE DENY THIS, COULD THAT HAPPEN? I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M YOU DENY IT. HE YEAH, HE HAVE, IT'S EITHER IT OR PAY FOR IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YEAH, WE HAVE IT, OUR PLAN TO DO PAVING, BUT, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE, A STREET BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, THAT GOT, YEAH. SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT MY, MY WORRY, I'M ALL, I I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I, UM, SAYING THAT I, I, I AGREE. I THINK THE BUILDERS SHOULD PAY FOR, FOR CURB AND GUTTER WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE. I TOTAL, I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT IS JUST, IF IT'S GOTTA BE BUILT AND IT DOESN'T CONSTRUE WITH WHAT'S AROUND IT, THEN YOU'RE DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD, YOU KNOW, IN CERTAIN, IN MOST CASES. SO, AND THAT'S JUST COMING FROM EXPERIENCE WORKING ON INSTALLING CURB AND GUTTER IN MY CAREER. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE UPON A LIFETIME I DID THAT KIND OF WORK. SO THAT'S, MY VOTE IS GOING TO BE TO APPROVE THE WAIVER. BUT I JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY. AND NOW I, I, I RESPECTFULLY, I AGREE WITH, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I AGREE WITH THE POINTS THAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE MAKING, YOU KNOW, AND I, I, I RESPECT THE VOTE IF IT GOES THE OTHER WAY, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M VOTING. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, I JUST WANNA STATE THE REASONS WHY THAT I, I APPROVE OF IT JUST FOR THOSE, JUST FOR THOSE REASONS. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY, THE AUTHORITY TO ASK THEM TO SET THE MONEY ASIDE AND TO WAIT TO BUILD IT UNTIL WE DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME. DO WE WE DON'T HAVE THAT. I, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY? I MEAN, COUNCILMAN INGRAM BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT, BUT, BUT, UM, IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, THEY GET THE OPTION OF DO IT THEMSELVES OR THE BOND, RIGHT? I'LL, I'LL ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THAT. SO THE BONDING PROVISIONS ARE IN TOWN CODES. MM-HMM . THERE'S VARIOUS WAYS TO SATISFY THAT. MM-HMM . UH, WITH A SURETY, WITH A CASH, UH, CASHIER'S CHECK, UH, I THINK I'M MISSING ONE. AND THEN YOU MUST PERFORM WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME OR YOU DEFAULT. SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE'S A CASH SURETY, CASH BOND, IF YOU WILL, UH, AND IT'S, YOU NEED TO DO THE IMPROVEMENT WITHIN A YEAR AND YOU FAIL, THEN THAT MONEY IS, UM, THAT MONEY JUST GOES TO THE TOWN. UH, FOR FUTURE WE JUST, WE SIGNED FOR BOND GOING ANY BOND WORK, WORK . WELL, MY, MY QUESTION WAS, AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER IS NO, BUT I'M JUST ASKING IT FOR PUBLIC. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, PLEASE DON'T BUILD THE CURBING GUTTER YET, BUT YOU'RE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. COULD WE COLLECT THE MONEY? KIND LIKE WHAT I SAID, WHAT HAPPENED WITH ME, LIKE ON OURS THREE, I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO. OKAY. SO IF THEY BUILD IT, THEY BUILD IT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, UM, SO JUST, I, I JUST WANTED TO ASK. SO THEY, BUT THEY COULD, THEY COULD SET ASIDE THE MONEY TO THE TOWN IN TODAY'S, TODAY'S DOLLARS. IN TODAY'S DOLLARS. THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS GONNA YEAH, I GOTCHA. BUT SO I ALSO THINK THAT PRUDENT TO ADD, YOU TALKED ABOUT, IN YOUR CASE, LORI, THAT THERE WERE LIENS PUT AGAINST THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS. IS THAT STILL THE CASE? IS THAT SOMEWHERE IN TOWN CODE? LIKE IS OTHERWISE THAT'S NOT THE SAME SCENARIOS HERE. ONLY THE ONLY THIS PROPERTY WILL BE PAID FOR THEIR PORTION. ARE THERE GONNA BE LIENS PUT AGAINST THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS IN THIS AREA THAT GET IT? NO. LIKE THE OTHER TOWNHOUSE THAT WERE DEVELOPED ON VIRGINIA AVENUE? NO. NO. THERE WILL NOT BE LIENS PLACED ON THE OTHER PROPERTIES. UM, AT THIS TIME. UH, THAT WAS A PROGRAM FROM YEARS AGO THAT IT WAS A, A COUNCIL INITIATIVE. YEAH. MINE WAS BACK IN 2003 AND SINCE THAT TIME, AND IT WASN'T ABOUT SALE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T THINK YOU GET TO PICK, AND PEOPLE AREN'T OPTING IN TO THIS, SO IT'S NOT LIKE, OKAY, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THEIR PORTION AND THEN THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE A BOND OR A LIEN AGAINST THEIR PROPERTY. NOBODY ELSE WILL BE PAYING FOR THEIR PORTION. WHICH, AND THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING, AGAIN, THERE'S NO BIAS IN THIS, BUT THERE WAS OTHER TOWNHOUSES BUILT ON VIRGINIA AVENUE AND MY TIME ON COUNCIL EVEN. SO THAT'S WHY, AND YOU, YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH IT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M FOR PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE. THIS IS NOT THE SAME SCENARIO. NOBODY ELSE WILL BE PAYING FOR THEIR PORTION. NO OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS WILL HAVE A LIEN AGAINST THEIR PROPERTY LIKE IT USED TO BE. NO, BUT ANY DEVELOPER BUILDER IN TOWN WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CURB AND GUTTER IN ANY, I'M SAYING LIKE IN ANY OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND STUFF, THEY, OR THEY HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, WE HAVE RIGHT. OR INFIELD OR INTEL. OKAY. OR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? WELL, I, I BELIEVE THAT THIS [01:30:01] IS JUST A SMALL PART PARCEL OF, OF THE APPLICANT'S, UH, COMPLETE PARCEL BACK THERE. AND THE LAND, THE LAND CONTOUR, UH, KIND OF ROLLS BACK, ROLLS DOWN TOWARD A HILL. THERE'S MY OBSERVATION WAS THERE'S NOT ANYTHING BACK THERE RIGHT NOW. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE, HE, IF HE DE DECIDES TO DEVELOP, THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME WATER MITIGATION DONE ANYWAY. SO THERE PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE THE STORM WATER POND, UH, DRY PONDS PUT IN AND WHATNOT. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT PART OF IT'LL BE TAKE TAKEN CARE OF ITSELF. MM-HMM . SO I DON'T THINK THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE ANY RUNOFF TO OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ON THAT STREET. IT'S ALL GOING TO BE BACK TOWARD THEM OR DEVELOPING. IF THAT EVEN HAPPENS, OTHER PROPERTIES ARE HIGHER THAN MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO A VOTE, MS. PRESLEY. AND THE MOTION IS TO DENY THE WAIVER. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I COUNCILMAN WOOD. YES. VICE MAYOR FEL ABSTAIN. COUNCILMAN LOC? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? NO. COUNCILMAN DE DEMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. UM, PASS THIS. SO OUR LAST ITEM TONIGHT IS, UH, NUMBER 12, WHICH IS OUR CLOSED MEETING. UH, SOMEBODY ON COUNCIL CAN READ THAT MOTION. MAYOR. OH, YOU WANT BRUCE? I'LL READ, GO AHEAD. YEAH. MAD THE MAYOR. I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 37 11 AND 2.2 DASH 37 12 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE. ONE, PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 37 11 A1 OF THE DAKOTA OF VIRGINIA. FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, OR INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE TOWN MANAGER POSITION. YOU SECOND. OKAY. COUNCILMAN OCK, SECOND ROLL CALL. COUNCIL WOOD. YES. VICE MAYOR? YES. COUNCILMAN OCK? YES. DAVENPORT? YES. COUNCIL INGRAM? YES. COUNCIL? YES. AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S AWARENESS, UH, COUNSEL, UH, MAY TAKE ACTION COMING OUT OF CLOSED. I, THAT'S JUST THE PEOPLE. THEY'RE DOING THEIR BUILDING. WE'RE ALL OKAY? WE OKAY? UM, WE, UH, COUNCILMAN INGRAM, DID YOU HAVE A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR? I MOVE THAT COUNCIL CERTIFIED TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER IS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS OFTEN EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH YOUR CLOSE MEETING WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED END THE CLOSED MEETING BY COUNCIL ONE THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF TOWN COUNCIL SECOND. OKAY. ROLL CALL. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR VIAL? YES. COUNCILMAN SEELO? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DEAMON PAYNE? YES. SO AT THIS TIME, WE ARE OUT OF CLOSED MEETING AND WE'RE BACK IN AN OPEN MEETING, AND I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN D DOMINIC HAS A MOTION. YES. I MOVE. THE COUNCIL APPOINT JOSEPH W. PETTY AS TOWN MANAGER FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THE EFFECT OF APRIL 14TH, 2025, AND RATIFY AND APPROVE THE TOWN MANAGER EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT DATED THE 24TH DAY OF MARCH, 2025 WITH THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF TOWN COUNCIL. SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. UM, I, YEAH. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ANYBODY WANNA, THERE'S NO PRESSURE. JUST, JUST, I'M, I'M REQUIRED TO SAY ANY DISCUSSION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, I THINK WE'LL SAVE OUR, OUR, UH, COMMENTS FOR THE FUTURE. BUT [01:35:01] ANYWAY. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. VICE MAYOR BETHAL? YES. COUNCILMAN ? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN DEAMON PAYNE? YES. OKAY. I AM EXCITED FOR ALL OF US THAT WE WILL WELCOME MR. PETTY AS OUR TOWN MANAGER TO BEGIN ON APRIL 14TH WITH NO OTHER BUSINESS. I ADJOURN THE MEETING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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