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UH, WELCOME EVERYBODY TO, UH, OUR FIRST[Economic Development Authority on February 3, 2025.]
MEETING OF THE YEAR.THE LAST ONE GOT SNOWED OUT, IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER.
UM, AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE MET, BUT THERE HAD BEEN NOBODY HERE.
SO, AND THE DOORS WOULD BE LOCKED, PROBABLY
SO, UH, ANYWAY, WELCOME TO THE FRONT WORLD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING ON FEBRUARY 3RD AT NOON.
AND, UH, HILLARY, CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? SURE.
ROBERT ELLIOT IS AL AND PRINCE ST.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER MEETING, PLEASE? SO MOVED.
GOT A COUPLE OF SECONDS THERE.
ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE MINUTES? ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE ANY EDITS TO 'EM OR ANYTHING OR, OR WE GOOD? WE'RE GOOD? GOOD.
HEARING, UH, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SIGNIFY THE SAYING AYE A.
SO, UM, HONESTLY, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS OUTSIDE THE MEETING, SO, UH,
UM, HAVE EVERYBODY HERE DOING THIS HAVE ME ELECTION OF OFFICERS, I'M FINE TO KEEPING UP.
I WAS THAT I HAD, I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT ALL FOUR OFFICERS, AS THEY STAND NOW, MAYBE HILLARY COULD READ 'EM OR YOU COULD SAY 'EM, BUT, UM, BE RENEWED FOR ANOTHER TERM.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT.
SO CAN WE, UM, STATE WHAT THAT IS FOR THE RECORD, I GUESS? UM, CHAIRMAN, UM, RICK NOVAK, VICE CHAIRMAN, NICK B TREASURER, UM, ESELMAN AND SECRETARY, HILLARY ONG.
ANYBODY OBJECT TO THAT? ALL RIGHT.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SIGNIFY SAYING AYE.
SO, OLD BUSINESS, UM, ALL RIGHT.
SO, THE EXISTING BUSINESS SURVEY, UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY NEW TAKERS IN ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF.
UM, SO WE ENDED UP WITH 68 RESPONSES.
UM, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, MOST OF THESE QUESTIONS WERE QUALITATIVE, NOT QUANTITATIVE.
SO I, UM, FULL DISCLOSURE, I USED MICROSOFT COPILOT TO COMB THROUGH ALL OF THOSE RESPONSES.
UM, AND IT IS 19 PAGES WORTH OF RESPONSES.
SO, UM, I HAVE THAT DOCUMENT AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS VIA EMAIL IF YOU'D LIKE IT.
UM, IT IS TRULY A COLLECTION OF COMMENTS FROM FOLKS, MOST OF WHICH WE'VE HEARD BEFORE.
UM, THERE WAS ALMOST NOTHING THAT WAS SHOCKING OR EVEN REMOTELY EYEBROW RAISING IN, UH, IN THOSE COMMENTS.
BUT I DO LOVE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY ENGAGING WITH THE SURVEY.
I THINK THAT IT WAS A GOOD START TO GET FOLKS TALKING ABOUT WHAT FRIDA IS DOING.
UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO TALK MORE ABOUT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO SHINE PUBLICLY.
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH IT, I'LL SEND YOU AN EMAIL WITH THE 19 PAGE SUMMARY DOCUMENT, UM, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
AND WE CAN, WE'LL, THE SURVEY IS STILL OPEN.
WE'RE CONTINUING TO COLLECT RESPONSES IF FOLKS UTILIZE IT.
UM, WE JUST HAVEN'T SEEN ANY IN, IN A LITTLE WHILE.
DO, UM, DOES THE SUMMARY DOCUMENT SAY WHO IT IS? OR, I CAN'T REMEMBER.
I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL AND, AND IF WE BUMP INTO THEM, WE MIGHT SAY, HEY, WE SAW YOUR SURVEY.
AND YEAH, YOU KNOW, GLAD YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THIS.
SORRY, YOU WEREN'T HAPPY WITH THAT.
NOW, THE SURVEY, SO THE SUMMARY DOCUMENT DOES NOT ATTRIBUTE AN AUTHOR TO A COMMENT.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE, UM, CONFIDENTIAL THAN THAT.
UM, BUT I CAN INCLUDE THE LIST OF FOLKS WHO RESPONDED.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? NO, I'M GLAD YOU CAN KEEP IT OPEN.
AND WHO KNOWS, SOMEONE MAY WATCH THIS TODAY AND GO ONLINE AND DO IT RIGHT, SO.
I CARRY AROUND A FEW OF THOSE BUSINESS CARDS WITH ME STILL ALL THE TIME.
UH, RETAIL RECRUITMENT UPDATE.
SO I DID HAVE A KICKOFF CALL WITH RETAIL STRATEGIES, JUST ME MM-HMM
UM, TO GO OVER KIND OF WHAT THE FORMAT WAS GONNA BE.
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ASKED CHAIRMAN NOVAK, UM, AND VICE CHAIR NICK BASS HERE, IF WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE KICKOFF CALL WITH JUST THE TWO OF THEM, SINCE WE CAN ONLY HAVE TWO.THE RULE OF TWOS FOR MEETING, UM, OUR CONTACT WITH RETAIL STRATEGIES THOUGHT THAT I WAS COORDINATING AND I THOUGHT HE WAS COORDINATING, AND SO THE BALL GOT DROPPED, BUT WE'RE GONNA GET THAT CALL DONE THIS WEEK.
UM, THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED THE DATA GATHERING PROCESS.
UM, THEY USE A SOFTWARE CALLED VAPE CAMP FOR ALL OF THEIR PROJECT MANAGEMENT MM-HMM
AND I'VE BEEN GETTING ALL KINDS OF NOTIFICATIONS THIS MORNING OF DIFFERENT INFORMATION THAT THEY'VE ALREADY CULMINATED FOR US IN OUR MARKET.
UM, THEY WILL BE ON SITE IN FRONT OIL ON FEBRUARY 18TH AND FEBRUARY 19TH.
THEY ARE LOOKING TO SET A MEETING WITH ME ON THE 18TH.
UM, I'M HOPING THAT I CAN HAVE THAT WHERE WE CAN HAVE MORE FOLKS IN THAT ROOM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE JUST SAYING HELLO OR IF THEY WANNA ACTUALLY TALK STRATEGY, BUT I'LL FIND OUT.
UM, AND THEN ON THE 19TH, THEY ARE IN OUR MARKET, UM, LOOKING AT FAITH REAL ESTATE.
I THINK IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD GET IN A ROOM TO AS MANY OF US THAT WANT TO BE THERE.
AND SO WHATEVER KIND OF PROPER NOTICE WE CAN GET.
SO TUESDAY AND A WEDNESDAY GET A HEADS UP.
SO AS SOON AS I HAVE MORE DETAILS ON THAT, I'VE GOT A NOTE OUT TO MICHAEL.
BUT YEAH, THEY'RE EAGER TO MEET WITH US, SO.
YEAH, THAT'S MY UPDATE RIGHT NOW.
I CONTACTED, UH, THE, UH, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR WHERE BIG LOTS IS.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE ALL KNOW THAT BIG LOTS IS GOING OUT OF BUSINESS, NOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S OUT THERE THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY TRYING TO BUY 'EM STILL, WHATEVER.
BUT, UM, THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM RETAIL STRATEGIES.
UM, THEY DO HAVE SOME RELATIONSHIPS WITH A COUPLE OTHER GROCERY STORES MM-HMM
THAT SAID THAT ANY HELP THAT THEY COULD BRING, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THEM.
I SPOKE WITH MOLLY
SO YEAH, I JUST KIND OF USE THEIR ADVERTISING AND REACH OUT.
NO, ONE OTHER QUESTION ON RETAIL, IT'S OLD BUSINESS, SO I'LL WAIT UNTIL NEW BUSINESS WHEN RETAIL RECRUITMENT.
OR OPEN DISCUSSION OR SOMETHING.
SO, UH, I GUESS WE'RE MOVING ON TO, UH, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING.
LAUREN KTI, IS THAT, IS THE TABLE UP HERE? YES.
I HAVEN'T YET FIGURED OUT A WAY TO PRINT THIS NICELY YET.
UM, I TRIED, IT WAS VERY SMALL
UM, BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE CREATED HERE IS JUST A MATRIX THAT'S A USE MATRIX WITH OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO IT HAS ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT ZONES AND THEN EVERY USE THAT WE HAVE LISTED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
I JUST WANTED A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK FROM THIS BOARD AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE USES THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT INCORPORATING IN THE DRAFT.
RIGHT NOW, THESE DRAFT ZONING ORDINANCE IS GOING THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.
I WOULD EXPECT IN THE NEXT MONTH THAT THEY'RE GONNA START ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT ZONES.
BUT THIS IS THE TIME TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN THERE THAT'S NOT CORRECTLY? SO WHAT'S CROSS? CAN YOU READ THOSE OUT FOR THE SITE CHALLENGE? SO, UM, BASICALLY WE HAVE ALL OF OUR ZONES.
SO WE'VE GOT OUR AG, OUR A ONE OR ESTATE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, B GREEN, UM, TO THE YELLOW ARE OUR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
THAT'S NOT REALLY GONNA IMPACT THIS BOARD.
UM, WHEN WE GET INTO THE ORANGE, THAT'S OUR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S WHERE THEY ALLOW
UM, PND, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PND ZONES OR PROPERTY ZONE, PND, WE HAVE ONE.
UM, BUT THEN WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE RED AND THE PURPLE AND THE BLUE, THAT IS OUR COMMERCIAL GO.
AND THEN IN THE DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL ZONES ARE BASED ON INTENSITY.
SO C ONE, OUR COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT, THAT'S LIKE OUR, UM, RETAIL ORIENTED, HIGHWAY ORIENTED, YOU KNOW, GET IN YOUR CAR, DRIVE THERE, GET WHAT YOU NEED, GO HOME.
THE C TWO IS OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS THAT'S, THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO THE MORE OF THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN C3 IS HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
THOSE ARE USES THAT ARE STARTING TO GET INTO INDUSTRIAL, MAYBE START MIXING A LITTLE BIT.
THEY'RE HIGHER INTENSITY, THEY GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC.
THEY'RE COMPLETELY AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED.
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MCD, WE ONLY HAVE, I THINK ONE PROPERTY IN TOWN OWNED THIS.IT'S AT MIXED USE CAMPUS DEVELOPMENT.
IT WAS, UM, RIGHT THERE AT A TECHS.
UH, I THINK THAT TRANS PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE INDUSTRIAL, WHICH IS BLUE.
SO THAT'S THE I ONE, THE LIMITED INDUSTRIAL THAT'S LIKE THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK OUT AT, UM, ALSO HAVE CREEK.
AND THEN, UM, YEAH, IT TOO IS THE INDUSTRIAL EMPLOYMENT.
SO THE P AND D, UM, MEAN THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT MAKING SOME CHANGES TO THAT CODE, YOU KNOW, FOR A, SOMEBODY WHO WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, DO A P AND D.
UM, HAVE WE MADE ANY CHANGES? THOSE CHANGES WEREN'T MADE SO THAT, THAT REQUEST WAS DENIED.
NO, I KNOW IT WAS DENIED, BUT I MEAN NOW YOU'RE, NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS STUFF, UM, THAT, THAT, UH, MINIMUM ACREAGE HAS NOT CHANGED IN THE NEW DRAFT.
NOW IF WE GET FEEDBACK TO CHANGE IT, RIGHT.
UM, SO AS PLANNING COMMISSION IS STARTING TO REVIEW THIS, AND I'M GETTING JUST LITTLE BITS OF COMMENTS IN HERE AND THERE, WE CAN KIND OF MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF ADJUSTMENTS ARE GONNA COME AFTER WE HOLD THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE GET THE COMMUNITY INPUT.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE SHOW UP TO THAT MM-HMM
AND THEN THEY CAN, THEY HAVE JUSTIFICATIONS TALKING TO THESE CHANGES.
SO WHAT WAS YOUR OPINION? YOUR OPINION? I BELIEVE YOU RECOMMENDED A CHANGE.
UM, AND CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THAT? I MEAN, 'CAUSE LIKE WITH THE P AND D? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, LIKE WHY, WHY IS THE OLD CODE, WHICH IS WHAT, 20 YEARS OLD? 2020? YEAH.
RIGHT? SO 20-YEAR-OLD CODE, HOW COULD IT BE UPDATED? OR SHOULD IT BE UPDATED, YOU KNOW, FOR P AND D THAT, THAT PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? YES.
PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S A VERY FLEXIBLE ZONE IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE 20 ACRE MINIMUM IS NECESSARY.
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH SEVEN PUBLIC HEARING PROCESSES, SEVEN DIFFERENT PUBLIC APPROVAL STEPS.
SO IF SOMETHING'S NOT APPROPRIATE, IT CERTAINLY WOULD NOT MAKE IT TO DEVELOPMENT OR ATTORNEY DIRT.
UM, PRIOR TO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE STOPPED IF IT WAS FOUND.
THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT.
OR MAKE AMENDMENTS AND ADJUST.
THE, THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT CODE IS FOR HOW MANY ACRES? 20 ACRES.
BUT IT'S ARBITRARY BECAUSE CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT ARE JUST NOT GONNA FIT CERTAIN SITES.
EVERY SITE IS DEVELOPED ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A, IT'S JUST, IT'S, SORRY, IT'S SPECIFIC TO THAT SITE.
IT'S NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA PERMIT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T NEED THE SETBACKS OR USE ISN'T INAPPROPRIATE, THAT TYPE OF THING.
THERE'S A LOT OF REVIEW THAT GOES INTO THAT.
ALL WHAT ENTITY LAUREN DETERMINED AT 20 ACRES.
THAT WAS JUST THE CODE AS IT COUNCIL ADOPTED THAT CODE.
AT SOME POINT IN TIME TO GET THAT CHANGE, I, I ATTENDED THE COUNCIL MEETING WHEN THEY WERE DISCUSSING IT, AND SOMEBODY HAD APPLIED AND THEY WANTED IT REDUCED DRAMATICALLY.
WHAT WAS THEIR ACREAGE? THEY WERE ASKING, THEY REQUESTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED FIVE.
SO DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO APPLY TO GET THAT CHANGED? I MEAN, IS IT A WAY THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF, YOU KNOW, SIX OR FIVE OR IN THIS PROCESS? YEAH, SO PLANNING COMMISSION, WE CAN PUT THE DRAFT OUT THERE.
WE CAN CHANGE THE DRAFT TO BASICALLY SAY FIVE.
THE THING IS, IS THAT IT GOES THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC DOESN'T COMMENT ON IT OR DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, IT GOES TO TOWN COUNCIL.
TOWN COUNCIL'S THE ONE THAT MAKES THE FINAL DECISION ON ANY CODE CHANGES.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A REQUEST IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
YOUR HONOR, YOUR HONOR, THIS, UM, BUT WE DO ALREADY HAVE THAT DRAFT OUT.
SO I THINK THE BEST FORCE OF ACTION FOR THIS PIECE, BECAUSE THE DRAFT IS ALREADY PUBLIC AND ON THE, WOULD BE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE PUBLIC FEEDBACK.
WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, SOMETHING THAT FALLS WITHIN LIKE THE S VERSUS A P AND D? SO THE P AND D ALLOWS ONE, IT ALLOWS LIKE A DIFFERENT FORM OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT ALLOWS YOU ONE, MIX THE HOUSING COUNT, AND THEN IT ALLOWS YOU TO INTRODUCE COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE SPACE, DAYCARE, CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, ANYTHING THAT FITS, LIKE INSTITUTIONAL USES ALSO.
AND IT ALLOWS FOR CLUSTERING SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME SETBACKS.
AND THE SITE CAN BE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO THAT SITE AND WHAT WORKS GEOGRAPHICALLY.
UM, IT, IT ALLOWS YOU TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE POCKETS OF LIKE APARTMENTS AND THEN YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY AREA, TOWN, HOME AREA.
ANY LOCAL EXAMPLES OF THAT AROUND THIS AREA, OTHER THAN, UM, LIKE WILLIS ASHBURN VILLAGE COULD HAVE BEEN, COULD BEEN, UH, UH, BY THE GOLF COURSE, UH, OUT, OUT IN THE CORRIDOR.
YOU'VE GOT A COMMUNITY THERE THAT I THINK HAS A MIXTURE OF SINGLE FAMILY.
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SHADOW HAS SINGLE FAMILY AND TOWN HOME.BUT THAT'S THE CLOSEST THAT WE WOULD HAVE.
YOU WERE A MIX A, A DAYCARE OR SOME, SOME SORT OF LIKE A PRE-K DEVELOPMENT OR A SMALL MOM AND POP GROCERY STORE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THOSE EXIST OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNTY.
I JUST DON'T KNOW OF ANY EXAMPLES IN THIS COUNTY.
BUT THIS IS A COMMON ZONE THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
UM, THIS PLANNED, BUT IN DIFFERENT, LIKE IN DIFFERENT STATES, IT'S CLUB, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
YOU GOT PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S SPECIFIC TO THAT JURISDICTION, WHICH YOU CALL IT.
SO IT'S A PIECE OF LAND SET ASIDE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, TOWNHOUSES, DUPLEXES.
AND BECAUSE IT'S REZONING, ALL EXISTING COMMERCIAL, EVERY ASPECT OF THAT SITE DESIGN IS PROFFERED AND NEGOTIATED THROUGHOUT THE PUBLIC PROCESS.
SO THAT'S SORT OF LIKE A COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY SIDE, YOU COULD CREATE COMMUNITY WITHIN A COMMUNITY, BUT LAUREN, AN AWFUL LOT OF THE TOWN IS A P AND D BY JUST THE WAY IT GREW.
RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S DAYCARES ACROSS FROM, YOU KNOW, UH, LITTLE STORES ACROSS FROM HOUSES AND, AND IF YOU SAID, I WANT TO DO A P AND D AND I WANT TO HAVE IT MADE UP OF THAT.
WOULDN'T THAT, I MEAN, THAT MIGHT QUALIFY, RIGHT? OR NO? SO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU START MIX, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MIXED USE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WHEN YOU START DOING THE MIXED USE, THOUGH, TRADITIONAL EUCLIDEAN ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW FOR MIXED, DON'T USE THE BIG WORDS LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE WHEN ZONING FIRST BECAME A THING, THE IDEA WAS TO SEPARATE OUT THE USES MOSTLY FOR HEALTH, BECAUSE YOU HAD PEOPLE LIVING RIGHT NEXT TO FACTORIES AND THERE WERE HEALTH CONCERNS.
AS TIME HAS GONE ON, PLANNING IS STARTING TO LEARN THAT MAYBE THAT WASN'T THE BEST WAY TO UTILIZE LAND, AND THAT'S NOT THE BEST FOR PRESERVING COMMUNITIES.
I MEAN, NORTHERN VIRGINIA HAS LIFESTYLE CENTERS, ISN'T THAT WHAT THEY CALL? YES.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY, SO THERE'S LIKE A PD, IT, IT TAKES YOU BACK SHOPPING AND RESTAURANTS AND APARTMENTS.
AND THAT TAKES YOU BACK TO THE WAY DEVELOPMENT ORGANICALLY HAPPENED.
SO THE WAY IT USED TO BE PRIOR TO HAVING CARS AND MASS TRANSPORTATION, IT WAS EVERYTHING HAD TO BE WITHIN ONE CONCENTRATED AREA BECAUSE EVERYBODY WALKED.
WHEN YOU HAD CARS, YOU WERE ABLE TO SPREAD EVERYTHING OUT.
NOW YOU'RE SEEING A REBOUND EFFECT BACK TO EVERYTHING CAN JUST BE IN ONE, YOU KNOW, SMALL CONCENTRATED AREA.
THE IDEA COMES FROM RIGHT NOW, A PARCEL HAS TO BE AT LEAST 20 ACRES FOR SOMEBODY TO APPLY FOR A P AND D.
SO IF I HAVE A EIGHT ACRE PARCEL RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T APPLY FOR A P AND D.
AND THAT'S WHERE TO ENCOURAGE PROPER DEVELOPMENT, WE NEED TO LOWER OUR STANDARD A LITTLE BIT.
IS THAT PROBABLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PROB PROBABLE STANCE IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE IF WE WANTED, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THE DISCONNECT WITH THAT ONE WAS THAT IT WAS JUST SUCH A DRAMATIC CHANGE FROM 20 DOWN TO TWO.
IT FELT LIKE AN ARBITRARY NUMBER.
FIVE WOULD'VE SUFFICED 10 WOULD'VE, BUT NOT 20, I THINK WAS WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS GETTING AT.
UM, BUT THIS IS A CHANCE TO, TO CHANGE THAT.
UM, BUT ALSO WHEN WE START LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE TOWN, WE HAVE A LOT OF PRESSURE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMES THAT ARE IN PROCESS.
UM, WE ISSUED 60 ZONING PERMITS LAST YEAR FOR NEW DWELLING UNITS, WHICH IS DOUBLE, BUT A YEAR BEFORE THAT, AND I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE THREE YEARS, BUT EACH YEAR IT WAS LIKE 31, 32.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN LAST YEAR TO 60, UM, WE HAVE BETWEEN A HUNDRED TO 200 HOMES OR DWELLING UNITS IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW GOING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO I THINK IN THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT NEEDS TO FOLLOW THAT IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE BETTER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE IN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA START TO HAVE SOME BUDGET ISSUES.
WELL, YOU'RE SEEING AN INCREASE IN TOWN HOMES AS WELL, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I MEAN, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SEVERAL PROJECTS, LAUREN, RIGHT NOW INVOLVING TOWN HOMES.
SO SAY WHAT? SO HOW CAN WE INFLUENCE THAT? LIKE HOW CAN WE, UM, SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT IF THIS BOARD, IF THIS BODY THOUGHT, OH, WE THINK YOU SHOULD REVISE IT OR ALLOW FOR 10 ACRE P AND DS, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOOD INPUT.
UM, ALSO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD'S THOUGHTS ON, ARE YOU IN THE FUTURE, ARE YOU GOING TO BE SOLICITING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, LIKE MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT? WHAT TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY? ARE YOU TRYING TO EVENTUALLY GO OUT AND DATA CENTERS? I KNOW THAT'S A FOUR LITTLE WORD HERE, BUT I MEAN, WHAT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT ARE WE GONNA BE LOOKING AT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS? NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO TRY TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE
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CODE, IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEA.SO DO YOU HAVE SOME DATA CENTER CODE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE INSERTED? BECAUSE STICKING OUR HEADS IN THE SAND IS NOT REALLY A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK THAT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDING DATA CENTERS TO IT, I THINK THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT IS TO CREATE A ZONE THAT IS ONLY THAT ZONE WOULD PERMIT DATA CENTERS, WHICH WOULD FORCE THE REZONING, FORCE PROFFERS, AND ALLOW US TO KIND OF SET THE STANDARDS AND HAVE A GOOD BIT MORE CONTROL.
AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT AND PUT IN AS A CHAPTER.
SO THERE'S A MECHANISM TO DO IT WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC RETAINS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONTROL OVER IT.
AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE WISE, GIVEN THE CURRENT CLIMATE TO, WE CAN'T IGNORE IT.
AND, BUT, AND I MEAN IT'S A, IT'S, UM, IT'S A POTENTIALLY A CASH COW THAT HAS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL, UH, DOWNSIDES, POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE WATER AND POWER.
BUT IF WE CAN DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, IN A WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL ACCEPT, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK, BUT INFRASTRUCTURE WISE, LIKE SOMETHING LIKE A DATA CENTER USE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BRING ITS OWN INFRASTRUCTURE UP OR PAY TO UPGRADE THE INFRASTRUCTURE MM-HMM
BY REQUIRING A REZONING THAT WOULD BE, IN THEORY, THAT WOULD BE PROPER, THAT WOULD BE NEGOTIATED.
AND AREN'T THEY LIMITED TO WHERE THEY CAN BE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY NEED TO BE NEAR POWER AND WATER AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE DON'T, IT'S NOT LIKE SOMEBODY'S GONNA PUT A DATA CENTER IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE A SHOPPING CENTER IS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THE DATA CENTERS, AREN'T THEY LIMITED TO WHERE THEY COULD LOCATE HERE IN THE COUNTY? IT WOULD BE LIMITED BASED ON ACCESS TO LIKE THE, THE TRANSMISSION LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT? WELL, AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT SIZE DATA CENTERS.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE MICRO DATA CENTERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT A DATA CENTER SMALL ON A TELEPHONE POLE.
THEY'RE TAKE, UH, YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE LIKE OLD KMARTS OR OLD RETAIL SPACES RETROFITTED INTO DATA CENTERS BECAUSE THE DATA CENTERS ARE BECOMING MORE EFFICIENT AND NOT THEMSELVES TOO.
THE SERVER, THE ACTUAL COMPONENTS OF IT ARE GETTING SMALLER, WOULD CHECK OUT OF AN EMPTY BUILDING, NOT PAYING ANY TAXES AT ALL.
WELL, AND TYPICALLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING MORE EFFICIENT TOO WITH THE TAXES, WITH THE WATER USAGE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT INTERNAL PULLING MECHANISMS. BUT THAT'S ALL THAT IS DEALT WITH
WHAT, FROM A ZONING POINT, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DECISIONS ON DO WE HAVE LIKE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT WHERE DATA CENTERS ARE APPROPRIATE OR, OR CREATING THIS LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE FOR DATA CENTER, SOLAR FACILITIES, WHATEVER THESE USES NEED TO BE.
BUT THAT'S INPUT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS.
UM, HOW ABOUT ONE OF THE THINGS IN, IN TRAVELING THROUGH TOWN AND TALKING TO FOLKS, UM, EVENT BUILT BUSINESSES MM-HMM
UM, BUSINESSES THAT ARE WITHIN A, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY'RE ON A HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, YET THEY'RE CREATING, UM, DISTRACTION NOISE.
UM, NOT UNREASONABLE FOR THE LOCATION, BUT I MEAN, FOR THE BUSINESS, BUT POSSIBLY UNREASONABLE FOR THE LOCATION.
HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED OR IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT OUT THERE? THAT'S A, THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND NOISE VIOLATIONS WOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE PD, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A DEFINED USE FOR THESE EVENT CENTERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY FALL INTO THE EVENT ITSELF.
IS IS, UH, SECONDARY TO SAY AN OVERNIGHT LODGING OR THAT TYPE, THAT'S THE MAIN, THE PRINCIPAL USE, AND THEN WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE DOING ON THAT PROPERTY ONCE THEY'VE RENTED IT, YOU'RE HAVING A PARTY.
IT'S ANOTHER ISSUE FOR US TO DEAL WITH, BUT WE COULD CREATE A NEW USE FOR EVENT CENTERS AND, AND HAVE ADDITIONAL REGULATION.
AND THE BEST WAY TO MAYBE CONTROL SOME OF THOSE SIDE EFFECTS WOULD BE TO MAKE IT A SPECIAL USE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, WE CAN PUT IN THE
SO IF WE CREATED, UH, SOME SORT OF DOCUMENT THAT GENERICALLY SAID, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT EVENT CENTERS YEAH.
AND CERTAINLY KNOW AND, AND SOME DATA CENTER CODES.
AND, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A KIND OF A LIST OF USES, LIKE WHERE DO YOU SEE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT GOING IN THE TOWN IN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS? WHAT USES DO YOU THINK ARE GONNA BE RELEVANT? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, LIKE BREWERIES ARE GREAT, RIGHT? LIKE PEOPLE LOVE THEM, BUT ON THE BACK END OF THINGS, RIES PUT MORE BACTERIA INTO OUR WATER TREATMENT AND IT MAKES IT MORE EXPENSIVE FROM THAT END TO TREAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE STATE CODE ALLOWS THEM ALMOST BUY RIGHT IN THOSE PLACES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF USES DO WE WANNA ENCOURAGE? YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE AREAS YOU'RE
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TALKING ABOUT THAT DON'T EXIST LOCALLY.I'M FAMILIAR WITH SOME AREAS BASED ON MY OWN CONSTRUCTION OPPORTUNITY OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT I GET TO SEE.
AND SO LIKE IN GAINESVILLE AND PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY, THERE'S A, I THINK IT'S OVER BY LIKE GLEN KIRK AREA.
THERE'S A COMMUNITY OVER THERE AND THEY HAVE LIKE A STRIP MALL IN THERE THAT HAS LIKE A DAYCARE.
YOU KNOW, IT HAS SOME AMENITIES WHERE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DRIVE INTO TOWN TO FIND THAT STUFF.
I, I'M SITTING HERE WITH A, A BLANK OF WHERE THAT WOULD, WHERE WE WOULD, WOULD PUT THAT IN THIS AREA IF WE WERE TO SAY, OKAY, HEY, TOWN OF FOR ROYAL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATED TO HAVE THAT ABILITY, WHAT IS ALREADY THERE? LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT APTEX, LIKE DATA CENTERS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T LIVE THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO MUCH THERE.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT AREA WOULD BE AN AREA OF INTEREST, BUT IS THERE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, HIGH, YOU KNOW, HIGH PRIORITY OR, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION HASN'T BEEN REALLY LOOKED INTO THAT WE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT.
LIKE, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR, WELL, THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY LARGE PARCELS RIGHT IN TOWN THAT ARE REALISTICALLY GONNA BE DEVELOPED IN THE NEXT 15, 20 YEARS.
UM, BUT OUR COMMERCIAL SPACES, AND LIKE SOME AREAS ALONG COMMERCE, I THINK WHAT WE MAY START TO SEE OR NEED TO SEE WOULD BE REDEVELOPMENT OF, RIGHT, LIKE 28 IN MANASSAS FOR YEARS AND YEARS, YOU NEVER KNEW WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN THERE.
AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY STARTED THIS 10 YEAR REBUILD.
AND YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THINGS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THE POTENTIAL TO GO UP.
THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING, LIKE UNNECESSARY AMOUNT OF PARKING IN SOME OF OUR COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTERS THAT COULD BE UTILIZED AS PAD SITES.
UM, BUT WE, WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE THAT.
YEAH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING THERE.
THERE'S, THERE'S TWO PAD SITES THERE IN FRONT OF THE BIG LOT SHOPPING CENTER, BUT, AND THEN COMMERCE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S POTENTIAL.
SO WHAT, SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SHOULD MEET AT THE NEXT MEETING.
MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF AND, AND SEND YOU SOME FEEDBACK.
I JUST WANTED IT ON YOUR RADAR THAT, YOU KNOW, PLANNING COMMISSION IS GONNA START GOING THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL ZONES.
AND I WANTED, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME INPUT ON WHERE YOU THINK THE TOWN'S GOING WITH THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.
THAT'S, UM, RESIDENTIAL'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE IN, IN THAT TAX.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF RECRUITMENT, UM, NEEDED OR REQUIRED FOR THE SITE BESIDE THE SEVEN 11 OR THE CORNER OF COMMERCE IN SHENANDOAH? OR NOT COMMERCE? UM, BBT.
BBT, I MEAN, IS THERE, SO THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THE WORK SESSIONS ON WEDNESDAY.
SO THEY HAVE A BUSINESS FOR THAT.
THEY'VE SUBMITTED A, A PLAN, A ZONING PERMIT BECAUSE IN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR IT NEEDS TO GO BEFORE THEM.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE IS AFTER THAT, AFTER THEY GET THAT APPROVAL FOR THE ALTERATIONS THAT THEY WANNA DO.
WELL, AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE THING FROM A DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE YOUR TOWN LOOK GOOD WITH BETTER IMPROVED, UM, YOU HAD A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THERE AND IT WAS SOLD AND AN IMMEDIATE DEMOLITION HAPPENED, AND THEN IT ALL CAME TO A HALT AND IT'S BEEN EYESORE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WELL, AND TYPICALLY WHEN PEOPLE GET THOSE PERMITS, THOSE DEMOLITION PERMITS, THEY START WITH US, THEY END UP AT THE COUNTY, AND THE, THE DEMOLITION PERMIT, I THINK AT THE COUNTY IS GOOD FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
THEN IT'S SIX MONTHS, I BELIEVE THEY CAN FILE AN EXTENSION.
SO THERE IS TIME BUILT IN, AND I THINK THAT SEEMS TO MAYBE NOT BE AS UNDERSTOOD, BUT THEIR TIME COMPONENTS, AND WE DON'T HAVE A LIMIT, A TIME LIMIT ON SOME OF OUR ZONING APPROVALS TOO.
SO ONCE WE REVIEW IT AND THEY GET APPROVAL, IT, IT'S, WE'RE KIND OF AT THE MERCY OF THE OWNERS AS TO WHEN THEY WANNA START DOING THINGS.
YOU WOULD, IT WOULD SEEM YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT WAS DONE UNLESS YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE.
WELL, THEY WOULD, THEY SUBMITTED PLANS.
WE HAVE THEM, WE REVIEWED THEM, IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR CODE, BUT IT'S STILL WITHIN THEIR, THERE'S A TIME ABOUT A ONE YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF JUST FROM A A, A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT.
IT JUST, UH, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FROM A PERSON WHO'S LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I THINK WE, WE'VE ALL THOUGHT, WHEN, WHEN IS IT, WHEN ARE THEY GONNA START? YOU KNOW? AND, AND THEY'RE NOWHERE NEAR STARTING APPARENTLY.
I MEAN, THEY STILL NEED TO GET THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION A GENERAL PERMIT ALSO.
I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT.
AND SO THE BUILDING PERMIT IS ONE YEAR, RIGHT.
ABOUT YEAR, AND THEN THEY CAN FILE FOR EXTENSIONS.
ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S INVOLVED, BUT I, I DON'T THINK, AND, AND THE BUILDING PERMIT HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR, NOT JUST WITH YOU, BUT THE COUNTY AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY SENT TO THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, IF THEY DID DEMO, THEY MUST HAVE DONE A BUILDING PERMIT.
THERE'S ONLY A FEW PEOPLE IN TOWN THAT DO IT THEIR OWN WAY AND, AND
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GO AGAINST THE GRAIN AND JUST START DOING BUILDING AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS.I'M ASSUMING ONE SPECIAL USE AND THE OTHER'S PERMITTED.
THERE'S JUST NO KEY ON THERE, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE.
SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YEAH.
THOSE GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCILS AND THEN THE FEES JUST PERMITTED BY.
SO THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THROUGH PLANNING.
IS THAT, WHAT ARE THE RED KEY? THE RED FEES ARE NEW TO THE NEW ORDINANCE.
SO PRIOR TO THIS DRAFT, UM, NO TITLE WROTE, I THINK THIS IS SUPPOSED TO GO HERE.
THE, UM, LIKE THE DUPLEXES WEREN'T PERMITTED IN THE R ONE A PRIOR TO THIS CODE.
NOW THAT PROPOSAL WOULD BE THAT YOU COULD PUT A DUPLEX IN.
IS THAT TO ADDRESS THE HOUSE THAT BURNED DOWN OR THERE'S NOTHING REALLY IN THERE THAT'S MORE TO JUST ADDRESS.
IT'S ONE OF THE MECHANISMS YOU CAN TRY TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I MEAN, DESPITE OPINIONS ON WHETHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS REAL OR NOT.
PLANNING RESEARCH AT LEAST SAYS THAT WHEN YOU PREVENT LIKE DIFFERENT T TYPES AND ALMOST ALL YOUR RESIDENTIAL ZONES, IT ENCOURAGES INFIELD DEVELOPMENT AND HELPS INCREASE THE PORTABILITY.
WELL, I THINK AT THE TIME THAT SOMEONE INQUIRED, UM, A CONTRACTOR INQUIRED ABOUT REBUILDING THAT PARCEL, UH, INTO A DUPLEX.
THE, THE BAR GOT INVOLVED, AND YET THERE'S MIXED USE DOWN THERE.
THERE'S, THERE'S OLD TOWNHOUSES THAT ARE 30 YEARS OLD.
OH, THAT, THAT WAS, UM, THAT ONE'S ZONED.
A MY, SO THAT ONE, THE TOWN HOMES ON THAT INSTANCE WERE BY RIGHT DUPLEXES WERE BY RIGHT THERE.
THE ISSUE WAS WHAT THEY SUBMITTED IN THE MATERIALS AND, UM, JUST THE STYLING OF IT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THE OTHER TOWN HOMES THAT EXISTED EXISTED PRIOR TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BEING CREATED.
HEY, NEXT, I GUESS OPEN DISCUSSION.
UM, I'LL, UH, I'LL, SO LIZ, YOU'LL GET BACK TO US ABOUT FEBRUARY 18TH, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE TIME THAT RETAIL STRATEGIES WILL BE IN TOWN.
I WAS HOPING THAT WE COULD INVITE, UH, SOMEONE FROM THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT HERE TO TALK ABOUT NET METERING AND WHERE WE ARE ON THAT.
I'VE BEEN APPROACHED A NUMBER OF TIMES OVER THE YEARS ABOUT PUTTING SOLAR ON THE ROOF OF, UH, EITHER THE THEATER OR THE BOWLING CENTER AND THE TOWN DOESN'T DO NET METERING.
AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW, I MEAN, I, I THINK I'VE BEEN TOLD THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT, AND SO I WANT TO KNOW THE STATUS OF IT.
OR IS THEIR STATUS, OR HAS THE TOWN RULED IT OUT? OKAY.
I'M JUST LOOKING FOR WHAT THE POWER DEPARTMENT THINKS ABOUT NET METERING,
IN MY, IN MY RESEARCH, THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA ALLOWS LOCALITIES THAT OFFER POWER THE ABILITY TO OPT OUT OF NET METER, RIGHT? MM-HMM
EVERYWHERE ELSE, IT'S, IT'S NECESSARY THAT THEY DO IT.
UM, HISTORICALLY TOO, NET METERING HAS BECOME LESS AND LESS, UH, I GUESS NOT NECESSARILY PROFITABLE TO THE SOLAR INSTALL, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT MM-HMM
IT, THEY'VE RATCHETED DOWN WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY BACK.
UM, SURPRISINGLY, GIVEN THE, THE RATES OF POWER GOING UP, RIGHT.
THE POWER COMPANIES NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY WHAT THEY WERE PAYING BACK IN THE DAY.
UM, THE DIFFICULTY IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL OR IN A LOT OF THESE PLACES THAT, UH, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A UNIQUE METERING SYSTEM HERE WHERE ANY ENERGY GOING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER COUNTS AGAINST YOU.
SO IF YOU INSTALL SOLAR, AM I RIGHT? OH, I'M NOT, NO COMMENT.
FRANK
AND YOU RUN IT ANYWHERE NEAR THAT METER, YOU, YOU COULD BE PAYING FOR THE, THE SOLAR POWER YOU GENERATE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
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WELL, ANYWAY, I WANNA INVITE THE, SO THEY DON'T HAVE A BIDIRECTIONAL METER.I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE PROS AND CONS OF NET METERING FOR OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE AT, YOU KNOW, BUT DATA CENTERS REQUIRE POWER.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POWER FOR THE FUTURE.
WE ARE ALL, WE'RE GONNA NEED POWER
AND NO MATTER WHAT ANYBODY SAYS, WE'RE GONNA NEED POWER.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE IT.
IS IT, IT, HOPEFULLY IT'S A COMBINATION OF RENEWABLES AND, AND MAYBE IT'S NUCLEAR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WE ARE GONNA NEED POWER.
I'M, I'M HAPPY TO TALK WITH CARRIE, UM, IN THE ENERGY DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE TAKE TIME TO COME CHAT WITH US.
I DO KNOW THAT OUR CURRENT POWER MIX HERE, WE PURCHASE POWER.
UM, AND OUR, OUR MIX HERE IS ABOUT 20% RENEWABLES.
SO, UM, WE, WE ARE INVESTED IN A VARIETY OF WAYS WITH SOLAR.
I MEAN, THE TOWN HAS ITS OWN SOLAR FARM WATER.
ANYWAY, I I'M NOT ON ANY PARTICULAR THING.
I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU NEED IT.
IT NEEDS TO COME FROM ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT PLACES.
AND IT'S IN EVERYBODY'S BEST INTEREST TO HELP, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE IT.
MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE CURRENT METERING SYSTEM IS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THAT ANYBODY THAT DOES INSTALL, YOU INSTALL JUST ENOUGH WATTAGE TO JUST ABOUT COVER YOUR USE SO THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT PUTTING MORE BACK INTO IT.
'CAUSE IT'LL STILL MAKE YOUR METER GO.
IF YOU'RE, IF HAVING YOUR ELECTRICITY, YOUR ELECTRICITY GO BACK INTO THE GRID, IT WILL STILL MAKE YOUR METER.
I, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT TRACK IT BACK AND FORTH.
THEY EXIST, BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE IN
I MEAN, I, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH US GETTING THE ANSWERS DIRECTLY FROM THE, FROM THE TEAM.
I'D RATHER NOT TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE, EXCEPT JUST HAVE THE TEAM COME IN AND TELL US ABOUT NET METERING AND THE PROS AND CONS AND HOW IT'S ACHIEVED AND NOT ACHIEVED.
MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THERE'S SOME INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
AND SO, UM, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF I'M GONNA CONSIDER A, A SOLAR PROJECT, PERHAPS SELLING SOME OF THE EXCESS POWER TO THE COMMUNITY IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ME.
I KNOW WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT A M FIRST.
WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT A MI FIRST, AND THAT'S OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT TLA, THAT'S A STRUGGLE.
SO A MI IS THE AUTOMATIC READING METERS, UHHUH, THAT'S THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE WE CAN DO THAT.
SO THERE, IT'S, IT'S BEING LOOKED AT, IT'S BEING WORKED ON.
ANYWAY, I I KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN TOMORROW OR NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MONTH, OR PROBABLY NOT EVEN NEXT YEAR, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT IT'S GOOD TO LOOK FOR, I THINK IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT QUESTION, AND WE NEED TO GET THE INPUT OF THE TECHNOLOGY FOLKS AND THE, UH, AND THE POWER DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHERE WE STAND WITH THAT.
AND ARE WE GOING TO, ARE WE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, RIGHT.
OR IS IT JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN IS INTERESTED IN DOING? SO ANYWAY.
ANYBODY ELSE? OH, COME ON GUYS.
I DID HAVE SOMETHING, BUT IT WAS COVERED IN OUR DISCUSSION WITH LAUREN.
SO, SO I'M JUST GOING TO, I'M JUST GONNA TALK ABOUT PARKING.
YOU WALK DOWN, YOU KNOW, BUT HEY, IT IS PRETTY FULL OUT THERE IN THE PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S COURT IN SESSION AND THERE'S NOT PARKING SPACES.
UM, BUT I DROVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND ROUND AND, AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT PARKING, BUT IT, IT IT AWAY.
WAS THERE ANY AVAILABLE ON JACKSON STREET? I DIDN'T GO TO JACKSON.
OH, I GUARANTEE YOU THERE WERE SPACES BEHIND THE MOVIE THEATER.
YEAH, BECAUSE
I MEAN, THE BUILDING THAT I OWN, I HAVE A BACK PARKING LOT AND WE HAD TO PUT SIGNAGE UP, YOU KNOW, FOR TOWING IF YOU'RE NOT A CUSTOMER, BECAUSE WHEN COURT IS IN SESSION, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE COURTHOUSE PARKING AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING A PARKING GARAGE DOWNTOWN.
I, I KNOW THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL SEE THIS AND THAT'LL LAUGH OR CHUCKLE.
I REMEMBER WHEN THEY PUT THE FIRST PARKING GARAGE IN WINCHESTER, THERE WAS A LAUGH AND A CHUCKLE, AND NOW THEY'RE EVERYWHERE DOWN THERE.
AND ULTIMATELY, IF WE WANT TO INCREASE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OUR TOWN, UH, ESPECIALLY OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, OUR CENTER POINT, UM, I THINK A PARKING GARAGE
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IS HUGE.AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING MAYBE WHEN COUNCIL GOES INTO THEIR RETREAT OR SOMETHING, THEY'LL, THEY'LL DISCUSS IT AND TALK ABOUT IT BEING ON A PLAN.
UM, BUT WE HAVE AVAILABILITY ON LAND, UM, WHERE THE OLD SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT USED TO BE.
UH, SO THERE, THERE IS AVAILABILITY.
SO I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
IT IS, IT IS A, A TROUBLESOME THING, BUT UNTIL SOMEBODY STARTS REALLY LOOKING INTO IT, THERE ARE EVEN GRANTS THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR, UM, TO ASSIST.
SO, UM, IN A FUTURE MEETING, I, I, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE, I SAT IN ON A, I WAS INVITED TO SIT IN ON A-U-S-D-A PRESENTATION ABOUT RURAL ENERGY RE PROGRAMS. UH, AND, AND THERE WERE LIKE FOUR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT USDA WAS OFFERING.
AND, UM, I I, I THINK THAT IT, IT, IT WAS ONLY AN HOUR PROGRAM AND, UH, UH, ANYWAY, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO HEAR ABOUT IT IN THIS ROOM.
UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE GRANTS AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE FACADE GRANTS, I THINK WERE PART OF A-U-S-D-A, UH, POT OF MONEY WAY BACK WHEN.
AND, AND SO, UH, THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THIS.
INDIVIDUALS CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS.
AND SO THIS LEADS INTO MY SOLAR, UH, QUESTION AS WELL.
ANYWAY, UM, ANYBODY ELSE ELSE? WELL, IF WE'RE BRINGING UP PARKING, WE GOTTA BRING UP TRASH TOO THEN.
WELL, UM, SO I, THE, THE, THE LAST BIT OF IT THAT I HEARD THERE, THE, THE FORMER TOWN MANAGERS INTERESTED IN SENDING ALL COMMERCIAL TRASH ON MAIN STREET TO PRIVATE SECTOR, WHICH WERE TRUE FACILITATE OR CREATE THE NEED FOR, FOR SITES TO LAY DUMPSTERS.
UM, AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TAKING AWAY PARKING SPACES, NOT AT, DO YOU KNOW IF, UH, DO YOU KNOW WHERE WE LANDED ON THAT? I MEAN, I KNOW JOE ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, STAFF COULD STAFF SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL? I THOUGHT SO.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, COUNSEL TOOK A HARD LOOK AT THIS ONCE AGAIN.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE, THEY STUCK WITH THE ORIGINAL CATEGORIES THAT THEY HAD, THAT THEY HAD CREATED.
AND I BELIEVE THERE WERE TWO CUSTOMERS THAT WERE IN A CERTAIN CATEGORY WHO WERE EXPLORING THE OPTION OF COMMERCIAL, UM, OF HAVING AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR PICK UP THEIR REFUSE.
UM, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYONE ELSE DOING THAT, NOR AM I AWARE OF ANYONE TRYING TO DO THAT FOR ALL OF MAIN STREET EITHER.
I MEAN I, THE TWO, THE TWO BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THAT, THEY WERE, THEY WERE LARGE RESTAURANTS.
THEY'RE WORKING, THEY WERE GROUPED IN THE CATEGORY CALLED LARGE.
THEY ARE WORKING WITH THE TOWN TO TAKE OVER THE DUMPSTER BEHIND VIBRA.
SO THEY, THE ENTITIES INVOLVED ARE PRESENTING TO, I THINK THE TOWN COUNCIL AND A WORK SESSION YEP.
THEIR PROPOSAL FOR WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE KNOW.
ALRIGHT, WELL, UM, IF THERE'S NOT ANYTHING ELSE, CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.
I JUST WANNA MENTION, SINCE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRICITY, THE COUNCIL WILL BE HEARING, UM, PRESENTATION BY A CONSULTANT TONIGHT ON WATER SPECIFICALLY, UH, UH, THEIR STUDY ON MCKAY SPRINGS.
SO IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN TUNING IN OR ATTENDING, IT'LL BE RECORDED, RIGHT? IT WILL BE RECORDED TONIGHT.
UH, EARLY ON THE PRESENTATION WILL BE THE CONSULTANT GIVING US AN UPDATE ON MCKAY SPRINGS AND THE VIABILITY OR NOT OF A SUPPLEMENTAL WATER SOURCE.
THERE'S A RATE STUDY INCLUDED IN THAT AS WELL, CORRECT.
RATE STUDY INCLUDED IN THAT AS WELL.
I I THINK IT'S JUST THE VIABILITY, HOW MUCH WATER
WELL, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
WELL, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE THE MOTION.
OH, AND YOU CAN SECOND MOTION.
WE HAVE FRANK ALL, ALL ABOUT ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY TO SAY AN AYE AYE.