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YOU MS. PRESLEY.CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAYOR
[Town Council Work Session on February 3, 2025.]
YES, I'M HERE.I JUST WANTED TO, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, I AM ATTENDING TONIGHT REMOTELY BECAUSE I HAVE THE BLUE AND I AM AT MY HOME IN THE TOWN OF
AND I WILL ALSO BE TURNING THE MEETING OVER TO VICE MAYOR AL TONIGHT.
SHE'LL BE RUNNING THE MEETING IN MY, UM, IN, IN MY, UH, LACK OF BEING PRESENT IN THE ROOM.
UM, SO MADAM VICE MAYOR, WE HAVE A REQUEST TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY, UM, THAT SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
IS, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION? OKAY.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO MAYOR C**K RULES OR REMOTE PARTICIPATION? NO.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSE? MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 37 11 AND 2.2 DASH 37 12 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES, PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 37 11 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, OR INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
COUNCILMAN THE DEMON PAINT? YES.
CHA CONSULTING WILL PROVIDE TOWN COUNCIL WITH AN UPDATE ON FINDINGS REGARDING THE CASE SPRINGS AS AN ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCE, AS WELL AS OTHER OPTIONS THE TOWN MAY WANT TO CONSIDER AS AN ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCE.
SO HERE TONIGHT WE HAVE CHA CONSULTING.
WE HAVE C STEEL HERE PRESENTING FOR US WITH CHA.
UM, SHE BRING IT UP RIGHT NOW THE PRESENTATION AND MAYOR RE IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.
IS THIS THE BEST WAY FOR ME TO PRESENT? YES.
APPRECIATE COUNSEL HAVING ME HERE AGAIN TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE FOUND AT BOTH MCKAY SPRING AND OTHER OPTIONS THAT THE TOWN MAY WANT US TO INVESTIGATE CONSIDERING WHAT I PRESENT TO YOU ABOUT MCKAY SPRING TONIGHT.
SO WHEN I WAS HERE LAST I EXPLAINED AT A HIGH LEVEL WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE WERE WELL SITES THAT WERE ADVANTAGEOUS TO CONTINUE TO EVALUATE OR IF THAT SITE DIDN'T HAVE ANY WELL SITES AT ALL.
AND SO, JUST TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW, THE TOWN DOES OWN THIS MCKAY SPRINGS PROPERTY EASEMENT, PLATS HAVE BEEN PREPARED.
SO THERE'S A FULL SURVEY ON THIS PROPERTY AS SHOWN IN THE INSET AT THE TOP RIGHT CORNER.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED TO SERVE A NEARBY TRAILER PARK THE SPRING THAT IS AND WAS DISCONTINUED IN 1990.
TO USE THE SPRING, WHILE IT'S ON THE GROUND ABOVE, ABOVE GROUND IN A STREAM FORM, YOU HAVE TO ALLOW 90% OF THAT WATER TO FLOW PAST WHERE YOU WOULD TAKE WATER OUT.
IF IT WAS A LARGE RIVER, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO LET 90% OF THAT WATER PASS.
YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO WITHDRAW 10% OF IT.
SO WE DO THIS A LOT WHEN THAT IS THE CASE AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN GET TO THE SOURCE UNDERGROUND AND THAT DEQ REQUIREMENT NO LONGER APPLIES AT THAT POINT.
YOU CAN DRAW AS MUCH AS THEY WILL ALLOW YOU TO PULL FROM A WELL, AND THAT IS 55% OF THE TOTAL WELL YIELD.
THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS WE TALK LATER, IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD DO A TEST, WELL, WE WOULD DO A DRAW DOWN TEST THAT WOULD SEE HOW MUCH WATER WE COULD DRAW, WHICH WOULD BE PUMPING FROM THAT.
WELL MONITORING THE LEVEL AND WHEN YOU PUMP ENOUGH THAT THE LEVEL STARTS TO DROP, THAT'S AS MUCH
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AS YOU CAN PULL OUT OF THAT.WELL, DOES DEQ TELL YOU HOW DEEP YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO? THEY DO NOT.
AS MUCH AS YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY, THEY DO TELL YOU WHAT THE, WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN TO TURN IT INTO A VDH WHEEL, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH GROUTING AND CASING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
DEPENDING ON THE, THE MAKEUP OF THE BEDROCK THAT YOU'RE IN AND THIS AREA, THERE'S NO CHANCE YOU'RE GONNA GET AWAY FROM HAVING THE CASE.
SO I CAN, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT MUCH.
SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN UPDATE ON THE HISTORY WE DID, WHAT WE'VE DONE ALL OVER THE PLACE WHEN PEOPLE WERE LOOKING FOR WELLS, IT'S, IT'S CALLED A RESISTIVITY TESTING.
YOU DRIVE RODS IN THE GROUND AT EACH OF THESE POINTS AND THEN YOU RUN CURRENT FROM ONE ROD TO THE, TO THE OTHER.
AND IT MAPS THE GEOLOGIC STRUCTURE BASED ON RESISTIVITY OF THAT MATERIAL.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT'S GONNA TELL YOU WHERE YOU HAVE HARD ROCK, WHERE YOU HAVE SEMI HARD ROCK AND WHERE YOU HAVE TOTAL VOIDS AND THAT GENERATES THESE IMAGES.
SO ALL THESE DIFFERENT COLORS TELL YOU WHAT RESISTIVITY YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THAT WE FOUND OUT WOULD BE GOODWILL SITES.
EACH OF THESE WE'VE DETERMINED HOW MANY FEET WE THINK YOU'D HAVE TO DRILL BEFORE YOU WOULD GET TO A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WATER TARGET ONE 150 TO 200 FEET AS WELL AS TARGET TWO.
TARGET THREE WAS ALMOST TWICE AS DEEP BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY HIT WATER.
THIS IS PRETTY TRIED AND TRUE AND I'VE ACTUALLY TESTED WITH, UH, SOME OLD FOLKS THAT STILL USE THE WATER WITCH STICK AND IT'S AMAZING THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY HIT THESE SPOTS PRETTY CLOSE EVEN AFTER WE'VE DONE ALL OUR TECHNICAL SCIENTIFIC WORK.
I KNOW THAT THAT, THAT YOU GUYS WANTED TO KNOW.
WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD ENTAIL MOVING FORWARD IF YOU WANTED TO DO THE, THE DRILLING AND GET THE DRAW DOWN? SO TARGET ONE 32,000, TARGET TWO IS THE, THE CHEAPEST.
AND I'LL SHOW WHY HERE IN A SECOND.
AND THEN TARGET THREE, ABOUT 33,000.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE GETTING TO THE SITE, DRILLING A TEST.
WELL, DOING THE DRAW DOWN AND DETERMINING HOW MUCH WATER YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO PULL OUT OF THAT.
WELL, IT WOULD NOT BE REAMING IT OUT TO A FULL WELD DIAMETER AND THEN CASING IT.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER NUMBER ALTOGETHER, WHICH DETERMINED, DETERMINED BY HOW MANY FEET AND WHAT TYPE OF ROCK YOU ACTUALLY DO ENCOUNTER WRONG.
SO THIS IS THE SITE, HERE ARE THE TARGETS.
YEAH, SIMILAR IN PRICE, BUT THE ACCESS TO TWO MAKES IT THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS SITE.
SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO CUT A BUNCH OF TREES DOWN.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A ROAD.
YOU GET THE RIG IN THIS, THIS THING IS RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE, THE ROAD.
PRETTY EASY TO, TO GET THE EQUIPMENT YOU WOULD NEED TO DO THAT WORK ONTO THAT SITE.
SO I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE THREE LOOK LIKE THEY'RE SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER THAN THAN THE OTHER.
BUT THIS ACCESS MAKES THIS ONE THE MORE ATTRACTIVE SITE.
OBVIOUSLY IF THAT WERE THE LOCATION FOR SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT FROM A BUILDING OR GRADING STANDPOINT, YOU'D WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANTED TO USE THAT FOR THE WELL, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT ANYTHING VERY CLOSE TO THOSE WELLS ONCE THEY GO IN.
THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION.
DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR FROM THEM FROM THAT? WELL, THERE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED LAND DISTURBANCE.
WE USUALLY DO A HUNDRED BY A HUNDRED BOUNDARY AROUND THOSE.
AND THAT'S A BDH DRIVEN REQUIREMENT.
AND ALSO THERE'S A, THERE'S A HOST OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
IF THERE'S DRAIN FIELDS NEARBY, WE HAVE TO BE BELOW RIGHT.
THERE'S GONNA BE THE CHURCH NOW, ISN'T IT? THAT'S ONLY, ONLY, ONLY THING HERE.
IT'S THE ONLY THING OUT THERE.
NOW UJ, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK LIKE GOING NORTH JUST UP FROM WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR, THE FIRST WELL LINE, UH, THAT YEAH.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I THINK HAS A RAIN FOOT OUT THERE NOW.
UM, AND THEN THE CORNER OF THAT LOT WHERE TARGET NUMBER TWO IS PJ, THERE'S JOINTLY OWNED PROPERTY, CORRECT.
SOUTH OF WHERE TARGET NUMBER TWO IS THE DOWN, UH, RIGHT BELOW THAT NUMBER TWO.
DO YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU DO EITHER OF, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY OR I DON'T SEE ON THE PLA HOW I COULD FIGURE OUT HOW FAR IT IS FROM THAT.
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A REASON I ASKED.I UNDERSTOOD THE, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY FIND THAT OUT AND COME BACK.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT RIGHT.
SO I GUESS IT'D BE LIKE WHERE 1314 IS.
AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE TARGET NUMBER TWO IS AROUND 1112.
SO YOUR QUESTION IS HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE JOINT FROM THE JOINT LI PROPERTY IS THAT TARGET? CORRECT.
BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN PROPOSED FAILED, BUT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THAT LOT.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO, WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WHATEVER THE TOWN DECIDES TO DO WITH THE CASE SPRINGS, YOU KNOW, IT COULD IMPACT A LOT OF THINGS FOR THAT CORNER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? WELL, I ALONG THE SAME LINES, YES.
THE, THE COUNTY DOES OWN SOME, IT'S SEPARATE.
WE OWN SOME AND THEN WE OWN SOME JOINTLY.
SO WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS EARLIER, I HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS.
UM, AND I, I LIKE YOU THOUGHT THAT THE LAND CLOSER TO THAT CORNER, THEY DID WANT TO DEVELOP THAT.
AND, BUT IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME IN LOOKING AT DENNIS PAST, WELL, AND I THINK IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION FROM THE LAST DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY DISCUSSED, I DON'T THINK, I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE TOO MUCH OF AN ISSUE BECAUSE TO THE NORTH END OF THAT PROPERTY, WHAT THEY WOULD NEED IS JUST PAD SITE DEVELOPMENT, JUST LIKE A PARKING LOT.
THEY DON'T NEED TO DIG INTO THE GROUND AND DISTURB IT TOO MUCH.
UM, SO IF THERE'S THE ABILITY TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCE THERE AND POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WAS SMALL, A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT.
UM, I THOUGHT THAT, I THOUGHT THEY WERE ACTUALLY GONNA GO ON RELIANCE ROAD RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THE STORY WHERE THE YELLOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT INVESTORS MM-HMM
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHERE THEY WANTED TO GO.
WOULD, WOULD THERE, WOULD THERE BE THIS, IF THERE'S DEVELOPMENT NEARBY, WOULD THERE BE DISTURBANCE TO THE THE WELL HE SAID THAT THEY HAVE A 100 BOW, 100 BOUNDARY.
WHAT WE WOULD WANNA AVOID IS IF THEY HAD TO HAVE A DRAIN FIELD, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE, WELL OBVIOUSLY DRAIN FIELDS WORK BY THE SOIL ACCEPTING ALL OF THE SEWAGE.
IT COMES AFTER AFTER IT COMES OUTTA SEPTIC TANKS.
SO IT CAN, IT COULD POTENTIALLY LEACHATE DOWN TO YOUR WATER SOURCE, WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T WANT THOSE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO A WELL, UM, THE ONLY OTHER THINGS I COULD IMAGINE, I WOULD PROBABLY NOT APPROVE ANY BLASTING DURING THE CONSTRUCTION IF THEY HAD TO DO ANY OF THAT SINCE YOU COULD UPSET THE GEOLOGIC MAKEUP UNDERNEATH AND CHANGE THE FRACTURE TRACE MM-HMM
INTERSECTION, WHICH IS WHERE YOU WANT TO BE TO GET THE MOST WATER YOU CAN.
AND IF IT SHIFTS THOSE IN ANY WAY, WE HAVE THIS ALL THE TIME WHEN, WHEN WE'RE BUILDING WATER LINES OR EVEN DIGGING FOOTERS FOR BIG STRUCTURES, IF THEY'RE WELLS COOKED BY WHOEVER'S GETTING READY TO DO THAT WORK BETTER GET READY TO DRILL ANOTHER WELL IF THEY, 'CAUSE WE'LL DO PRE DRAWDOWNS ON ALL THOSE WELLS.
TELL THE CONTRACTOR IF THESE WELLS DON'T HAVE THE SAME DRAW DOWN WHEN YOU FINISH.
AND THAT'S ON YOU TO, TO MAKE THAT RIGHT AND WHOLE.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS I WOULD AVOID.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT I THINK THE HUNDRED BY HUNDRED BUFFERS TO TRY TO MEDIATE SOME OF THAT.
BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU A MUCH, I CAN DO AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS SPECIFICALLY WHERE THAT JOINT LIVING PROPERTY BEGINS AND ENDS MM-HMM
WELL TARGET ON THAT ON A MUCH MORE ZOOMED IN SCALE IF THAT'S YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.
AND ANOTHER REASON THAT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD THAT IT'D BE VERY RELEVANT IS BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN CONSIDERATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS, UM, FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND OFFERS FOR THEM TO BUY OUR PORTION.
I KNOW I'VE OFFERED FOR US TO FIND A WAY TO BUY THEIR PORTION, UM, OR DO SOMETHING JOINT, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WILL EVER COME TO FRUITION.
SO NOW THAT WE HAVE SOME NUMBERS, IT'S EASIER FOR US TO PUT A VALUE ON THAT LAND FOR THE TOWN.
AND THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, THERE WAS A TRAILER PARK THERE, THERE WAS A STORE THERE.
DO WE KNOW WHERE THOSE SEPTIC FIELDS ARE? I, I DOUBT IT.
ANYBODY PULLED THEM OUT WHEN
THEY'RE THEY TOWARDS WHERE TARGET ONE IS THAT FAR? I THINK THEY'RE ABOUT THEY THERE FOR, BECAUSE THE, THE TRAILER PARK SET DOWN NEXT TO THE CREEK AND I,
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I THINK, I THINK THE DRAIN FIELDS WENT OUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CREEK.TARGET ONE IS NORTH, RIGHT? NO, WELL, NO, WELL, I GUESS THE NORTH SIDE.
BECAUSE THE, THE DRAIN FIELDS WENT DOWN TO THE BACK OF THE, OF THE, THE TRAILER PARK.
MAYOR CORPORAL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? IF I MISSED SOMETHING, PLEASE TELL ME.
BUT I KNOW THE LAST TIME WHEN YOU MET WITH US, YOU TALKED ABOUT MAYBE AT SOME POINT WE MIGHT WANNA EXPLORE OTHER WATER SOURCE LIKE, UH, QUARRIES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
DID YOU BRING, DID YOU BRING THAT UP TONIGHT OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A DIFFERENT STUDY? WE, I THINK FURTHER INTO HIS PRESENTATION, THERE'S ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCES.
UM, I JUST, SINCE WE WERE STOPPED ON THE GROUNDWATER WELLS AT MCKAY SPRINGS, I JUST THOUGHT I'D OFFER YOU THE OPPORTUNITY.
BUT WE STILL HAVE SEVERAL SLIDES OF ALTERNATIVE SOURCES.
I CAN'T SEE, I CAN'T SEE THAT WELL FROM WHERE I AM ON THE SCREEN.
WELL IT'S IN GROUND GROUNDWATER WELLS ON YOUR AGENDA.
BUT I'LL, I'LL ALERT YOU WHEN WE GET TO THE END FOR QUESTIONS AFTER WE GET TO ALTERNATIVE SOURCES.
WE'LL, UH, WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNSEL WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
THE, THE PRICE, UH, FOR TARGET NUMBER ONE, WHICH YOU BELIEVE YOU ALLUDED TO WAS YOU THOUGHT WAS THE BEST IS WHY YOU LABELED IT.
NUMBER ONE IS THE ACCESS TO IT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT UM, IT WOULD BE $8,000 MORE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SITE WORK AND I'M NOT SURE, I THOUGHT TARGET NUMBER TWO WAS BETTER FOR ACCESSIBILITY.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID WAS WELL, TARGET TWO IS MORE ACCESSIBLE, EASILY ACCESSIBLE TARGET TWO IS WHERE THE STORE USED TO BE.
BUT I'M SAYING TARGET ONE, THE PRICE DIFFERENTIAL IS THE SITE WORK.
BUT THAT'S ONLY, IF YOU GO BACK, IT'S ONLY $2,000 DIFFERENCE THERE.
BUT WHEN YOU SAY THE PRE-DRILLING PERMIT, I'M TRYING TO GET THESE NUMBERS.
UH, THE PRE-DRILLING PERMITTING IS THE SAME FOR ALL THREE TARGETS.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN SHOULD NUMBER TWO BE 28,000? 'CAUSE IF YOU GO UP NUMBER TWO, ISN'T IT 4,000 THERE? YEAH.
AND SAME WITH TARGET NUMBER THREE.
IT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE PRE-DRILLING PERMITTING IN THOSE TOTALS.
ALL ALL I'M SAYING IS IT LOOKS LIKE FOR $4,000 WOULD GO FOR THE BE IF, IF THIS WAS THE WAY WE WANTED TO GO.
$4,000 IS THE PRICE DIFFERENTIAL TO GO THE NUMBER ONE, YOUR NUMBER.
WE ACTUALLY NEED TO ADD 4,000 TO TARGET TWO AND TARGET THREE.
THEY WEREN'T ADDING 28 AND 37.
YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I WASN'T UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENTIAL OF 8,000.
WELL I THINK MY INTENT WAS MAYBE TO, TO SHOW A COMPARISON BETWEEN THOSE, ASSUMING THAT THE PRE-DRILLING WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT.
BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IS THE SITE WORK COMPONENT.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROS AND CONS.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EASY IS ACCESSIBLE NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO ACCESS AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WHERE HE'S TARGETING WE ACTUALLY HAVE SEE YEAH, WE'LL LOOK AT THE IMPACTS.
WHAT CITATION YOU PUT IN THE GROUND FOR A WELD THAT'S OUT OF THAT EIGHT, PROBABLY EIGHT INCH CASING HAVE TO GR AT THE BOTTOM 300 FEET PROBABLY.
AND ALL THAT MEANS IS IF WE'RE NOT IN SOLID BEDROCK MM-HMM
THAT THE CASING, IF IT'S NOT IN THERE, THEN THE, THE WALLS CAN GRADE AND, AND GET INTO THE WELL ITSELF.
SO YOU GOTTA CASE IT IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY ANYWAY.
AND I I SEEM TO REMEMBER WHEN YOU PRESENTED BEFORE THAT, UM, YOU WERE LOOKING FOR AREAS WHERE YOU COULD DIG IN AND THEY, THEY MAY BE SEPARATED UNDERNEATH IN THE, IN THE ROCK AREA SO THAT YOU COULD DRAW MAYBE FROM SEPARATE WATER SOURCES.
IS THAT CORRECT OR NO? AM I REMEMBERING WRONG? I, I MENTIONED THAT IF TO GET THE AMOUNT OF WATER YOU WOULD NEED TO EQUAL WHAT YOU'RE PULLING OUT OF THE RIVER RIGHT NOW, THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY NEED MULTIPLE WELLS TO DO THAT.
AND IF YOU DRILL MULTIPLE WELLS ON A SITE, LET'S JUST SAY THAT YOU DECIDED YOU WANTED TO DO ALL THREE OF THESE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO A DRAWDOWN TEST WHILE MEASURING THE OTHER TWO TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU WERE PULLING OFF OF THIS, WELL YOU WEREN'T PULLING
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THE LEVEL DOWN IN THE OTHER TWO.'CAUSE IF YOU ARE, YOU'RE STILL IN THE SAME AQUIFER.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY HOLES YOU DRILL, IF YOU'RE PULLING FROM THE SAME SOURCE OF WATER, YOU CAN'T TAKE THREE TIMES THAT AMOUNT OUT.
YOU CAN ONLY TAKE THE AMOUNT THAT THAT AQUIFER CAN GIVE YOU.
AND THESE THREE ARE THE SAME SOURCE OF WATER.
WE YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU DRILL IT.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE PERMITTING TOO.
SO IF YOU WENT FOR ALL THREE, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE TO PAY 4,000 ONCE AND COULD IT COVER ALL THREE? WE, IT WOULD BE, IF YOU DID ALL THREE THAT WOULD BE PERMITTING WOULD ONLY HAVE TO BE PAID ONE TIME, WHICH WAS KIND OF THE INTENT OF THAT SLIDE.
BUT IT, IT CONFUSED EVERYBODY.
THE NEXT SLIDE'S GONNA PROBABLY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE ON WHAT COUNSEL THINKS ABOUT THIS.
SO IT, IT LOOKS LIKE TARGET NUMBER WAS TARGET NUMBER ONE.
YOU KNOW, MAY FALL INTO MOSTLY THE PARCEL THAT, UM, THE TOWN PROPERTY MAN.
YEAH, WELL WE HAVE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THAT BJ SAID HE IS GONNA GET US THE PROPERTY LINES ON ALL OF IT, BUT WE DO HAVE, WE OWN REPORT FOR THE TARGET TOO.
WE OWN WHERE TARGET TWO ISN'T.
WE, WE OWN ALL OF THOSE TARGETS, CORRECT? YES.
WE OWN COURSE, BUT THEY'LL GET US THE BOUNDARY LINES SENT TO COUNCIL, WHAT IMPACTS IT MAY BE ON THE OTHER PROPERTY GOING FORWARD.
THERE'S PREVIOUS STUDIES AND ALTERNATIVE SOURCES IF WE DON'T DECIDE TO GO THIS ROUTE, SO RIGHT.
IF THERE AREN'T ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE WELLS, WE CAN JUST MOVE ON.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE THINK MAY BE UNDER THE GROUND THERE AT THOSE THREE TARGETS, THE WELLS IN THE COUNTY, WE DID A FULL BLOWN INVESTIGATIVE SEARCH OF WHAT VDH HAD ON RECORD FOR WELLS IN THE COUNTY.
AND THEY, WELL THEY RANGE FROM 10 TO 70 GALLONS A MINUTE.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DRAW THOSE WELLS DOWN FOR 48 HOURS STRAIGHT UNTIL YOU FIND OUT THE SWEET SPOT OF HOW MUCH YOU CAN DRAW WITHOUT DRAWING THE LEVEL DOWN.
WHICH MEANS IF YOU'RE DRAWING RIGHT UP TO THE POINT THAT IT MOVES DOWN AN INCH, YOU KNOW YOU GOTTA STOP THERE BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY RECHARGING ITSELF THE SAME AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE PULLING OUT.
IF YOU GO PAST THAT POINT, THEN IF YOU CONTINUE TO DRAW THAT MUCH, IT CAN'T KEEP UP AND YOU WILL PUMP THE WELL DRIVE.
SO THAT'S WHERE VEH COMES UP AND THEY STILL ONLY GIVE YOU 55% OF THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE TO BE WRONG AND THEY DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH RISK ON.
UM, SO I THINK IN TO, TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT, I MEAN YOU GUYS PROBABLY WHAT, TWO AND A HALF TO 3M GD IS WHAT WE PUSHED THROUGH THAT WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
ROUGHLY BETWEEN TWO AND TWO AND A HALF HALF.
SO WE NEED ABOUT, WE NEED FIVE OR SIX WELLS AT THIS GPM TO EQUAL THAT.
AND SO I I I WILL, I WILL WORK AT THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL WITH THE HAVING ENOUGH WELLS TO MAKE ENOUGH SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO HAVE A TOTALLY ALTERNATIVE, REDUNDANT WATER SOURCE IS GOING TO BE VERY CHALLENGING.
SO FIVE TO SIX WELLS WOULD DO THAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? I WOULD SAY YOU WOULD NEED THAT MANY AT A SIGNIFICANT YIELD.
SO BASICALLY, BASICALLY BE ABLE TO REPLACE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
SO IF YOU WANNA SUPPLEMENT DURING A DROUGHT, RIGHT.
WELLS COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD, MAY WANT TO INVESTIGATE.
IF YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT IS ROBUST ENOUGH THAT IF THE PLANT DIDN'T RUN ANYMORE OR YOU HAD A PROBLEM ON THE RIVER THAT COULD KEPT YOU FROM WITHDRAWING WATER ANYMORE, THE WELLS WOULD NOT DO THAT.
SO I'M GONNA NEED A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL ON WHAT LEVEL OF ALTERNATIVE SOURCE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
DO YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT WILL PATCH YOU THROUGH DURING A DIFFICULT TIME OR DO YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TELL EVERYBODY IF THE PLANT GOES DOWN, WE LITERALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO PROVIDE WATER TO THE ENTIRE TOWN WITH THIS ALTERNATIVE SOURCE.
SO THERE'S BEEN TWO ISSUES THAT HAVE BROUGHT US HERE TODAY WHERE WE ARE.
UM, WITH EVEN PREVIOUS COUNCILS, THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSION AND MULTIPLE TOWN MANAGERS.
UM, BUT SUPPLEMENTARY WAS INITIALLY THE CONCERN.
WE STARTED FACING, UM, UNPRECEDENTED DROUGHTS THAT HAD NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE.
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AND NOT JUST FRONT ROYAL, NOT JUST WARREN COUNTY, NOT JUST THE NORTHERN CDO VALLEY.I KNOW THE STATE OF VIRGINIA TWO YEARS AGO, UM, WAS SEEING THAT.
SO SUPPLEMENTARY WAS INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED.
UM, AS FAR AS THE PLEASURE OF COUNSEL, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO ENTIRELY REPLACE IT.
WE DID HAVE A SITUATION, MAYBE MAYOR COCKRELL OR SOMEBODY HERE ON STAFF MAY KNOW WHERE THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH, UH, THE RIVER.
BUT WE DIDN'T LOSE THE ABILITY TO PULL FROM THE RIVER BECAUSE OF THAT.
IT WAS A SCARY TIME BECAUSE OF SOME BACTERIA OR ALGAE OR THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS WITH YEAH.
IS THAT THE ALGAE THEY FOUND UP IN GENERAL COUNTY ON TOP OF ALL OF IT?
THERE WAS A SPECIFIC TYPE OF BLOOM THAT WE HAD NEVER SEEN IN THIS AREA BEFORE THAT WAS STUDIED.
TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO RIGHT, BECAUSE WE HAD TO TAKE SAMPLES.
WE HAD TO SAMPLE IT LIKE REGULARLY.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR COUNCIL.
I KNOW SUPPLEMENTARY FOR ME IS THE BIGGEST THING RIGHT NOW.
AND FINANCIALLY, I MEAN WE DON'T, I'M LOOKING AT THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND THE TOWN MANAGER.
I DON'T THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE, UM, THE BUDGETED FUNDS OR EVEN CONSIDERED TO ENTIRELY REPLACE THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL'S WATER SOURCE IF NEED BE SUPPLEMENTARY I THINK IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND WHAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON, IN MY OPINION, TOUCH WITH THE FIRST, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD LATER IF WE WANT TO.
SO TO GIVE CHA DIRECTION, WELL LOOK MY WAY.
SO, SO I, I'VE LISTENED NOW FOR TWO AND A HALF MEETINGS AND YOU GUYS HAVE ME HERE 'CAUSE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS.
SO LET ME GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OKAY.
AND EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY I THINK WHAT I'M GONNA PUT TOGETHER IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED.
FOR SHORT TERM MIDTERM AND, AND LONG TERM.
I THOUGHT YOU ASKED FOR DIRECT.
CAN YOU COUNSEL ANSWER THE QUESTION OF UM, WHEN YOU SAY UNDER THE INFLUENCE, UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF WHAT GROUNDWATER, THAT MEANS THAT IT IS NOT TOTALLY ISOLATED FROM WATER UP THE SURFACE, MAKING IT BACK DOWN TO THE WELL IN SOME WAY OR FASHION.
I WAS THINKING THAT YOU MEANT THERE WAS SOME LEVEL OF POLLUTION OR YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S ANY SURFACE WATER INFLUENCE AND MOST WELLS ARE, UNLESS YOU HAVE AN AQUIFER THAT JUST ISN'T BEING INFLUENCED BY SURFACE WATER, IT JUST MEANS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FULL TREATMENT PROCESS TO TREAT THAT WATER.
IT CAN'T JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THE HOUSE LIKE A RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, SO THERE WOULD BE A BUILDING THERE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT SOME LEVEL OF CHEMICALS IN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER MET VDH REQUIREMENTS BEFORE IT ACTUALLY WENT OUT TO THE CUSTOMERS.
SO FOR ME TO GIVE THE COUNCIL A FULL VISION OF WHAT OPTIONS THEY HAVE, WE'LL CALL IT AN ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCE MENU.
YOU NEED TO KNOW ALL THE OPTIONS YOU HAVE AVAILABLE.
YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT LEVEL OF FINANCIAL INVESTMENT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR EACH ONE.
AND YOU KNOW WHICH ONE IS GONNA PRODUCE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE SOURCE.
YOU HAVE NOW 50% OF THE SOURCE OR LESS.
SO I THINK AFTER LISTENING TO COUNSEL, YOU NEED THAT SUMMARIZED SO THAT YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH YOU WANNA SPEND TO GET WHAT YOU THINK IS REASONABLE FOR EITHER SUPPLEMENTARY OR FULLY REDUNDANT.
AND ME JUST EVALUATING CASE SPRING, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE OUT THERE AND I THINK YOU NEED A FULL PICTURE BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION ON ANYTHING.
SO LET ME GET THROUGH THE, THE ONES THAT I BELIEVE ARE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS TO INVESTIGATE.
SO RECENTLY THERE WAS SOME INTEREST FROM THE CITY OF WINCHESTER TO CONSIDER AN INTERCONNECT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BENEFIT BOTH PARTIES FROM WHAT I CAN TELL.
THEY WOULD WANT TO ENJOY POTENTIALLY HAVING SOME RELIABILITY BACKUP AS WELL FROM THE TOWN, AS THE TOWN WOULD ENJOY THAT SAME THING FROM THEM IF THEY WERE IN ANY KIND OF A BAD SPOT.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO ALIGNMENTS THAT I JUST LOOKED AT AT A DESKTOP LEVEL.
BUT THIS WOULD BE LIKE A, A WATER AUTHORITY THEN BASICALLY IT WOULD NE NOT, NOT NECESSARILY AN AUTHORITY, YOU WOULD'VE A MASTER AGREEMENT IN PLACE TO EXPLAIN HOW ALL THAT WOULD WORK.
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY SO I'LL NOT TOUCH THAT.
YOU JUST HAVE CERTAIN UNDERSTANDINGS OF WHAT TRIGGERS WHEN ONE WOULD GET WATER, HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE PER THOUSAND, ET CETERA.
YOU SAY RECENTLY THERE WAS AN INTEREST FROM THE CITY OF WINCHESTER.
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I SAT ON THE PROPOSED REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY BOARD TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS AGO.THAT WAS CREATED OUT OF A LIAISON MEETING UNDER A DIFFERENT COUNCIL ON BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN WARREN COUNTY.
AND WINCHESTER WITHDREW FROM THAT REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY PROPOSAL BECAUSE IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE TO BRING THE WATER LINES, UM, FROM WINCHESTER TO WARREN COUNTY, NOT EVEN TO THE TOWN.
SO HOW RECENT WAS THIS NEW INTEREST? A MONTH AGO? UM, THEY HAVE A INTERESTING, THEY HAVE A WATER PLANT IN, WELL IN THE COUNTY MM-HMM
SO 5 22 WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED ROUTE AND IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO GET PAST DINOSAUR LAND AT THE TIME THAT I SAT ON THAT REGIONAL WATER COMMITTEE.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WERE INTERESTED IN LIKE AS AN EMERGENCY ONLY THING.
'CAUSE THEY PULL OUT THE NORFORK, WE PULL OUT THE SORT SOUTH FORK.
SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S I GUESS INTERESTING TAKING ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY, BUT IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.
SO THIS DID NOT, THEY ACTUALLY PULL, WINCHESTER ACTUALLY PULLS ALL THEIR WATER OUTTA WARREN COUNTY.
SO THIS DID NOT COME FROM CHA ROBBIE BOYER.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION.
I WAS WORKING WITH THEM PREVIOUSLY.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED HOW RECENT THEY YEAH.
MAYBE THEY'VE HAD A CHANGE OF 30 DAYS ELECTED OFFICIALS OR SOMETHING.
THEY SENT A MAP WITH AN ALIGNMENT THAT SAID THIS IS WHERE IT COULD WORK.
AND WE'LL WE'D BE WILLING TO SHARE THE FIRST THREE MILES AND YOU GUYS DO YOUR THREE MILES.
AND IS THIS FRED WINCHESTER WIN WINCHESTER? I THINK THE ONE THAT WAS PROPOSED FOR 5 22 WAS FREDERICK WAS FREDERICK TO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
IT WAS, IT WAS PROPOSED TO BASICALLY TAKE FRONT ROYAL OUT OF THE COUNTY'S AGREEMENT.
WELL THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THERE'S, THE TOWN HAS BUILT ALL THOSE LINES OUT THERE.
WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING 'EM WHEN THIS WAS PROPOSED, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS AN ISSUE.
YOU HAVE TO BUILD ALL YOUR OWN LINES BESIDE THE ONES YOU GUYS HAVE IN THE GROUND.
SO THERE'S REGIONALIZATION THAT ALWAYS OPENS SOME FUNDING OPPORTUNITY, FUNDING MECHANISMS. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHEN PARTNERS GET TOGETHER.
I, THIS IS AS MUCH AS YOU SEE ON THIS SCREEN IS ALL THAT I'VE LOOKED INTO THAT JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT IT'S OUT THERE.
THERE'S PROBABLY PROS AND CONS.
THE THING THAT I WOULD WORRY ABOUT IF WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR REDUNDANCY DURING EMERGENCY, IF LI TOWN FRONT ROYAL'S IN A DROUGHT, THE CITY OF WINCHESTER'S PROBABLY IN A DROUGHT, EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO, WHO GETS IT.
AND SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
WHAT ARE WE REALLY LOOKING FOR? IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SITUATION THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED TO THE CITY OF WINCHESTER AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT A DE RATIO, A DROUGHT, SOMETHING THAT'S FAIRLY CLOSE TO HOME.
BOTH PARTIES ARE GONNA BE POTENTIALLY DEALING WITH ISSUES THAT HAPPENED LAST SUMMER WITH THE TOWNS TO THE SOUTH OF US.
THEY WERE HAVING THE SAME ISSUES BECAUSE THE DROUGHT WAS VALLEY LOGGING.
IT DIDN'T MATTER WHICH SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN WE WERE ON, BUT NOW THAT I I KNOW IT, I CAN'T UNKNOW IT.
SO NO, NO, I'VE GOTTA BRING IT TO THE TABLE.
PUT A NUMBER ON IT, TELL YOU WHAT THE COSTS ARE, THE PROS AND CONS.
THE NEXT ALTERNATIVE SOURCE IS AN ADDITIONAL INTAKE ON THE OTHER FORK OF THE SHENANDOAH.
YOU CANNOT HAVE ANOTHER INTAKE ON THE ONE THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY POINTING OUT OF NOW.
AND YOU, WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH THAT FORK.
HAVING ANOTHER POINT OF WITHDRAWAL DOESN'T HELP YOU.
BOTH WITHDRAWALS ARE GONNA BE UNDER THE SAME STIPULATIONS IF THEY'RE ON THE SAME FORK OF THE RIVER.
SO THIS WOULD PROPOSE A WITHDRAWAL ON THE OTHER FORK.
AND THIS IS THE POTENTIAL WITHDRAWAL AREA.
JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME HIGH LEVEL, YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST FIVE MILES DOWNSTREAM FROM ANY SEWAGE DISCHARGE LOCATION.
SO THE CLOSEST THING TO THAT IS THE STRASBURG SEWER TREATMENT PLANT.
THAT FIVE MILE RADIUS IS HERE WHEN YOU GET ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO FRONT ROYAL, WE ARE NOT JUST FIVE MILES, WE'RE THREE TIMES AS FAR AS REGULATIONS REQUIRE.
THAT'S SOMETHING POLITICALLY I'VE SEEN MANY TIMES.
PEOPLE REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE WATER WORKS WITH DISCHARGING SEWER HERE.
TAKING IT OUT TO DRINK DOWN HERE ON A HIGH LEVEL, THEY'D BE LIKE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE LUNACY.
WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING? BUT WE'VE GOT LOTS OF MEASURES IN PLACE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
WHEN YOU SAY IT WAS THREE TIMES OR FIVE TIMES THE REQUIRED, I'D SAY THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF MILEAGE THAT IS REQUIRED.
SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, WITHDRAWAL PERMIT ON TOTALLY SEPARATE FORK OF THE RIVER.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WITHDRAWAL PERMIT WITH DEQ, WHICH IS NOT SUPER CHEAP.
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I THINK I NEED TO LAY OUT ALL THE THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN TO INVESTIGATE THIS.THIS BY FAR IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY FOR YOU TO GET AS CLOSE TO A FULLY REDUNDANT SOURCE BECAUSE YOU'RE LITERALLY DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING ALREADY, JUST ON A DIFFERENT FORK OF THE RIVER.
SO THERE HAD TO BE ANOTHER, UM, PURIFICATION SYSTEM WHERE THAT COMES OUT.
I WOULD LOOK AT THAT OR PUMPING IT THROUGH THE EXISTING TREATMENT PLAN AND SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN COST UPGRADES.
SO HOW, EXPLAIN TO ME, I KNOW THAT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT I RECALL THAT, UM, THE ISSUE WAS NOT HOW MUCH WE COULD TAKE FROM THE RIVER THAT WE'RE NOT AT THE THRESHOLD OF TAKING.
IT'S THE QUESTION IS WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER AND WE, WE CAN'T TAKE ALL THAT WE CAN BECAUSE THE WATER WASN'T THERE.
SO THE WAY YOUR PERMIT IS WRITTEN, YOU'RE ONLY ABLE TO TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT IS FLOWING BY THAT WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IS WHAT, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH FORK IF, IF THERE WE'RE IN A DROUGHT AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, THERE'S THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE THOUGH IN THE, WELL, WELL I THINK A LOT OF IT THOUGHT WOULD BE IF ONE SIDE GETS CONTAMINATED, MAYBE YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO GET SOME OUT OF THAT SIDE COMPARED.
OR IF ALGAE'S BAD IN ONE FORK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEN THERE'S DIFFERENT WATERSHEDS THAT FEED BOTH OF THOSE FORKS.
BEFORE THEY COME TOGETHER IN ONE MAJOR RIVER.
SO YOU'RE PULLING FROM THIS ONE.
ALL OF THE DRAINAGE SHED FEEDS THIS ONE THAT RESULTS IN THE AMOUNT OF FLOW IN THAT RIVER D EQ DETERMINES HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE AND THE DROUGHT ONLY TRIGGERS YOU NOT BEING ABLE TO PULL WATER IF IT DROPS BELOW A CERTAIN LEVEL AND FLOW.
AND THEN YOUR PERCENTAGE YOU'RE ABLE TO TAKE OF THAT IS STILL THE SAME.
BUT THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF WATER FLOWING BY THAT, THAT PLANT IS LESS.
SO IF IT'S 10% YOU CAN TAKE, YOU CAN TAKE 10% OF THAT SMALLER AMOUNT THAT'S FLOWING BY THAT.
THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S LIKE VERY CLOSE TO WHERE THE DAM WAS.
AND THEY REMOVED THE DAM FOR THE UH, SO WHAT WOULD, SO THE E COULD, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PROPOSAL WITH IT WAS WITHDRAWAL THERE I THINK ABOUT OUR, UH, INTAKE UP OFF OF LURE AVENUE.
BUT ARE YOU SAYING TO PUMP THAT WATER UP TO UM, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT? SO I WOULD LOOK AT AN ONSITE TREATMENT FACILITY AND HOW THAT COMPARES TO PUMPING IT ALL THE WAY TO THE FACILITY YOU ALREADY HAVE.
AND THE FACILITY WE ALREADY HAVE NEEDS A LOT OF MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AS WE KNOW.
BUT, UM, AND I WOULD HAVE TO LAY THAT OUT FOR YOU, BUT TO BUILD ANOTHER FACILITY THAT YOU HAVE TO OPERATE ALL THE TIME AND MAINTAIN AND MAINTAIN FROM WHEN YOU MAY NEED IT WOULD BE A VERY HARD STRETCH COMPARED TO PUMPING IT SOMEWHERE THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE TO MAINTAIN AN OFFER.
I LIKE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN.
I BELIEVE WHEN THEY MADE THEIR UPGRADES AND IMPROVEMENTS AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO JUST PROBABLY MAKE UPGRADES WHEN WE IMPROVE THE CURRENT WATER TREATMENT FACILITY THAT WE HAVE.
WE'RE GETTING IT FROM THAT POINT UP THERE.
AND THEN YOU CONSIDER A NEW LINE VERSUS AN ENTIRELY DEMAND FACILITY ONLY WHEN YOU NEED IT.
SO AGAIN, THIS, YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT ALL THE TIME.
BE ANOTHER REDUNDANT WATER LINE ESSENTIALLY.
BUT THIS MATRIX IS, IS INTENDED TO GIVE YOU ALL THAT DATA.
AND WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, I TALKED TO AN EXPERT AND THEY SAID IF YOU'D GO ON THE OTHER FORK OF THE RIVER, YOU CAN GET ALL THE WATER YOU WANT.
YOU FLIP TO PAGE FIVE OF WHAT I'M GONNA PREPARE YOU AND SAY THAT'S GONNA COST US $15 MILLION.
YOU STILL EXCITED ABOUT THAT? YES.
AND THEN YOU GUYS HAVE ALL, YOU NEED TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
SO GOING BACK JUST FOR A MOMENT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE TREATMENT OF SURFACE WATER IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM GROUNDWATER OR QUARRY WATER.
SO IF WE HAD A PACKAGE PLANT AT MCKAY SPRINGS, IT'S MUCH LESS INTENSE.
IT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TREAT THE WATER BECAUSE SURFACE WATER IS DIFFERENT BACTERIA.
IT IS DEFINITELY DIFFERENT IN THE TREATMENT PROCESS.
SO AT MCKAY SPRINGS, WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT A SMALL PACKAGE PLANT PERHAPS? YES.
'CAUSE WELL WATER DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME.
AND BESIDES THE FACT THAT YOU'RE ONLY GONNA BE TREATING 70 TO A HUNDRED GALLONS A MINUTE OF WATER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SMALL PUMP HOUSE WITH A COUPLE OF CHEMICAL INJECTION PUMPS IN IT.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, IF Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT GETTING WITH, UM, THE CONSERVATION CENTER RIGHT BEHIND
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THE PLANT AND SEE IF I SINKING SOME, SEE THE GOVERNMENT LET US SINK SOME WELLS UP THERE AND THAT WOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH PIPE TO RUN DOWN OVER THE HILL WITH IT ROBBIE IN THE CONSERVATION.I MEAN WE HAVE THE, WHAT WAS THAT? MAYBE QUARTER MILE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHERE WAS THAT UP THERE? GOOD WATER UP THERE DEALING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THEN SEE PERMITTING IS GONNA BE, THEY MAY NOT BE THERE.
UH, I PUT A WATERLINE RECENTLY THROUGH A CORRIDOR THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT FOR THE U FOR THE US FOREST SERVICE FOR A WATERLINE.
TWO YEARS AND $150,000 LATER I FINALLY GOT PERMITTED FOR WHAT THEY SAID WAS THE CORRECT USE FOR IT.
SO I MEAN, EVEN JUST THE SIDEWALK THAT WE WANTED TO PUT ON WEST RIGHT.
OR IS PARTIALLY FEDERALLY OWNED PROPERTY.
WHEN YOU INVOLVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN ANYTHING, YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST GIVE IT TO WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'D BE WORTH FIVE FUTURE COUNCILS.
TRY TO AT LEAST TRY TO BEAT WITH THEM.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT POLITICALLY DRIVEN, THAT'S WHAT GLEN WAS TALKING ABOUT.
LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA GET FUNDED AND WHAT'S NOT AND HOW LONG THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S GONNA OWN AND OPERATE THAT PROPERTY.
SO WE COULD PUT AN ENTIRELY ALTERNATIVE SOURCE OF WATER FROM THAT.
AND THEN THAT'S NO LONGER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THEY DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH US ANYMORE.
I MEAN THERE'S, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY, IN MY OPINION, GIVING IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO DICTATE WHEN IT'LL BE VIABLE ONCE WE GET IT COMPLETED.
I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU TREAT WHERE YOU PUT AN ASSET THE SAME WAY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO OPERATE IF YOU BORROWED MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT OR ANY OTHER FUNDING AGENCY.
THEY WILL NOT LET YOU INVEST IN AN ASSET THAT YOU DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY THAT IT'S GONNA BE LOCATED ON, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
SO IF YOU OWN THE PARCEL THAT THE WELL'S ON AND YOU HAVE AN, UH, EASEMENT TO ACCESS IT IN PERPETUITY, THEN YOU'RE PROTECTED NO MATTER WHO OWNS IT.
IN AN AGREEMENT WITH A PARTY THAT COULD CHANGE OWNERSHIP.
AGAIN, I'M DRIFTING INTO GEORGE'S LAND, SO I'M GONNA STAY I AGREE WITH YOU SO FAR.
THAT'S WHY I'M GONNA STOP RIGHT THERE BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T, WE'D BE SOMEBODY ELSE'S LAND AT THE TOWN'S EXPENSE.
I WE CAN DESKTOP STUDY AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT QUESTION IS PUT TO BED.
I THINK ANY SUGGESTION THAT'S MADE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO RUN IT TO GROUND BECAUSE I NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING.
WELL, TALKING ABOUT THIS SITE HERE, UH, THE, IT'S JUST CALLED THE RIVER INSIDE.
UM, WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA, WHAT, WHETHER ONE WOULD CHOOSE TO, TO, TO RUN A PIPE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT OR, OR BUILD A SALINATION PLANT THERE.
YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE DO YOU PUT, WHERE DO YOU PUT THE UH, THE COST ON A, ON ON WATER, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A PREMIUM GOING FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR IT SOMEDAY.
AND THE LONGER YOUR WEIGHT TO DO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE MORE IT'S GOING TO COST.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THINKING AHEAD.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION.
SO I, I BRIEFLY SPOKE ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST PRESENTATION AND THERE'S NOT A LOT CHANGED OTHER THAN JUST REITERATING THAT THIS WOULD BE TREATED JUST LIKE A SURFACE WATER SOURCE AND THAT IT CAN'T HAVE THE SMALL PACKAGE SYSTEM THAT A WELL WOULD HAVE, IT'D BE FULL-BLOWN TREATMENT.
YOU COULD EITHER TRY TO PUMP IT TO THE EXISTING PLANT OR AGAIN, HAVE A PACKAGE PLANT MEMBRANE PACKAGE PLANT RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU WITHDRAW AND THEN RUN THROUGH THE PACKAGE PLANT AND THEN IT CAN GO OUT INTO THE SYSTEM.
SO THE, THE UPSIDE TO THIS IS THERE'S VERY FEW REGULATIONS THAT DEQ CAN USE TO DECIDE HOW MUCH YOU CAN WITHDRAW OUT OF THAT QUARRY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVE THAT IT'S INTERCONNECTED WITH ANY RIVERS.
AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ALL THE WAY BACK IN THE STEVE BURKE DAYS THAT THERE WAS PERHAPS SOMETHING THAT WAS GONNA MAKE THAT QUARRY NOT ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE IT WAS INTERCONNECTED WITH THE RIVER.
WELL THE CHANCES OF TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT ARE PROBABLY TECHNICALLY RIVER TO COOPERATE.
WE WOULD DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE AND WE WOULD PUT SOME PRESSURE ON IT AND SEE HOW MUCH WE COULD DRAW OUT OF IT AND SEE IF
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WE COULD DROP THE LEVEL ANY, BUT I GUESS AS WE COULD BRING AS MANY PUMPS IN AS WE COULD FIND AND WE WOULDN'T, WE'D NEVER BE ABLE TO DO THAT.SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS, THERE'S A COUPLE OF QUARRIES HERE CLOSE BY, BUT OWNERSHIP IS PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED.
AND IF THERE WAS EVEN ANY INTEREST FOR WHOEVER HAS THE RIGHTS TO THOSE TO CONSIDER PROVIDING THEM IN IN ANY FASHION.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD SOFT PEDAL THIS ONE AND SAY THAT PROBABLY NEED TO DO SOME HOMEWORK UP FRONT BEFORE I SPEND ANY TIME.
'CAUSE IF YOU CAN'T GET TO 'EM THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THEY'RE GOOD SOURCES OR NOT.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST PUTTING THE FATE OF THE TOWN'S WATER IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S HANDS WITH THE, WELL I WOULD RECOMMEND FULL OWNERSHIP, NOT A PARTNERSHIP THAT GIVES YOU RIGHTS TO SOME OF THE WATER.
APPROACHING SOMEBODY AND ASKING THEM IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN.
SO PARTNERSHIP ASK IN A NUTSHELL, IF I WERE GONNA TELL COUNSEL WHAT THEY NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO PLAN NOW IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE, IN THE LONG TERM, YOU WOULD NEED TO KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT ALL OF THESE.
WHAT IT WOULD COST, WHAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY GET OUT OF EACH SOURCE.
AND THEN FROM NOW TILL THE END OF TIME WHEN THAT CONVERSATION CONTINUES TO COME UP, YOU GOT A MAP THAT TELLS YOU WHY THIS IS NOT THE BEST OPTION.
OR ARE WE WILLING TO INVEST EIGHT TO $10 MILLION IN SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T REALLY NEED, BUT ONCE EVERY 10 YEARS.
HOW MUCH DO WE NEED TO INVEST TO GET THAT DETAILED BOOKLET OF INFORMATION? THAT'S, I GUESS I'LL ASK THE QUESTION THEN.
I MEAN THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S THE QUESTION HERE.
WHAT DO WE NEED TO SPEND AND INVEST TO HAVE THE ROADMAP TO ALL THE ANSWERS FOR THE FUTURE? UH, SAY YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE $150,000 RANGE.
SO TO HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS TO DECIDE WHICH ALTERNATIVE SOURCE WE WANTED TO PURSUE BECAUSE WE'RE HEADED TO A RETREAT WHERE WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT KIND OF BUDGET UNDERSTOOD WE'RE ALLOCATING GOING FORWARD.
UNDERST SO THIS IS UNDERSTOOD.
NO, I ASSUME I WAS READY TO PRESENT THAT NUMBER AT STAFF'S DIRECTION, BUT I ALSO NEED TO SAY THAT THAT'S, SORRY BJ, THAT'S, THAT'S ASSUMING THAT I WOULD LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF THESE.
IF FOR SOME REASON WE DROP ONE OR MORE OFF, THAT NUMBER GETS BETTER.
SO BUT HOW MUCH, LIKE IF IT 150,000 SET TO EACH OF THE, IS THERE A BUDGET? SORRY, THERE'S THREE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF US, CORRECT.
CORY MCKAY, SPRING NORTH WINCHESTER AND NORTH NORTH 4 0 4.
WHAT THAT SO OF THE 150,000, IS THAT DIVIDED BY FOUR? IF WE DROPPED ONE OFF, WE DROP IT.
I'LL BE VERY, I'LL JUST BE VERY DIRECT IF THEY WANT THE ANSWER TO ALL OF THEM.
WELL, AND THEN, OKAY, SO LIKE THE, THE OWNER COMMUNICATION AND RESEARCH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING OUR STAFF WOULD HAVE TO DO ON, ON OUR END.
I THINK THAT SOMEBODY WITH A CHA SHIRT ON SHOWING UP AT A HOUSE TO ASK ABOUT THEIR QUARRY IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.
EVEN IF I SAY I'M REPRESENTING THE TOWN AS A CONSULTANT, I'VE, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BEST FOR THAT KIND OF THING TO COME FROM THE TOWN.
IF, IF YOU ALL ARE OR IN ALL INTERESTED, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE.
I THINK WHAT I NEED TO PROVIDE TO YOU BEFORE YOUR RETREAT IS A SCOPE AND FEE THAT BREAKS DOWN THE COST FOR EACH ONE RIGHT.
AND YOU CAN, CAN YOU DO THAT IN A WEEK? MM-HMM
'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN OUR RETREAT STARTS.
MY STAFF WATCHING THIS JUST FELL DOWN AND YOU'RE ROLLING AROUND IN PAIN.
OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR AT THE END OF THE TABLE IS PROBABLY ROLLING AROUND IN PAIN.
JUST REMEMBER FAST IS NOT CHEAP.
SO I GET THE INFORMATION FROM STEVIE ON THAT AS WELL.
AND SO THAT WAY YOU'VE GOT A MENU THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SAY, WELL I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS ONE'S EVEN SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLE.
WE CAN NOT PUT A CHECK BESIDE THAT ONE.
WELL, REALISTICALLY THE QUARRY IS OBVIOUSLY MY FAVORITE.
FEWEST DEQ REGULATIONS, LIKE KEEPING THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT.
WE ALL KNOW I'M A BIG FAN OF THAT BUREAUCRACY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A PIPE DREAM.
WELL, THERE'S MORE THAN ONE QUARRY WE CAN I KNOW.
BUT, AND WITHOUT KNOWING, WITHOUT KNOWING WHO I, 'CAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA.
WITHOUT KNOWING ARE OR WHAT THE SITUATION IS.
YOU MAY, YOU MAY FIND THEY WANT TO GET RID OF IT.
YOU DON'T KNOW IF I OWNED WATER AND WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, I WOULD KNOW I HAD GOLD.
AND FOR THOSE WATCHING AT HOME, AND I'M SURE THE MAYOR WILL APPRECIATE ME REITERATING THIS IS A CONTINUED ONGOING CONVERSATION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED BACK IN STEVE BERKS, THIS WATER HAS BEEN A CONTINUOUS FOREFRONT FOR THE TOWN.
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MM-HMMNOT, WE'RE NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON WE'RE, I'M DOING THIS IN A LOT OF PLACES IN THE PAST, YOU COULD GO TO DQ AND SAY, WE WANT RIGHT TO PULL 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND WE'RE ONLY GONNA USE A MILLION FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
SO EVEN WHEN WE EVALUATE THIS OTHER FORK, WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME REASON THAT WE WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT WATER SO THAT WE DON'T GET IT AND SIT ON IT.
AND THEN COMMUNITIES DOWN THE RIVER THAT ACTUALLY DO NEED IT, ACTUALLY NEED IT.
'CAUSE WE'RE SITTING ON 5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF WITHDRAWAL RIGHTS AND WE DON'T USE IT FOR 20 YEARS.
WE HAVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF IT AND BE RESPECTFUL TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANNOUNCING THINGS ON THE DICE.
LIKE WHEN I, I WAS GROWING UP HERE IN FORT ROYAL, WARREN COUNTY, THEY USED TO TELL US IN SCHOOL TO TURN OFF THE WATER WHILE YOU WERE BRUSHING YOUR TEETH AND YOU KNOW, JUST BE MINDFUL OF IT.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION THAT GOES INTO THIS ISSUE TOO.
UM, MAYOR COEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHA OR STAFF? NO, I, NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.
I, I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS.
UM, AND AS, UH, VICE MAYOR BIDEN ALL SAID, IT'S A CONSTANT DISCUSSION.
AND I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE WANT US TO HAVE ANSWERS LIKE YESTERDAY AND THERE'S, THERE'S STILL A LOT TO CONSIDER AND A LOT TO FIGURE OUT.
WELL, THE ANSWERS
I MEAN, I NEED YOU GUYS TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE INVESTING IN SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HELP YOU OVER AND OVER FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS.
AND SO THAT'S, IF IT'S NOT A DOCUMENT THAT IS USABLE MORE THAN JUST ONCE, THEN THAT'S, I'M NOT DOING MY JOB.
WELL AND I OFTEN SAY THAT THE WORK OF THESE CURRENT COUNCILS, 'CAUSE I HAVE APPRECIATED IT.
WE'RE DOING THE WORK FOR FUTURE COUNCILS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS ROADMAP'S GONNA PROVIDE.
LIKE I WON'T BE SERVING BY THE TIME YOU GUYS HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCE.
AND THE ANSWERS, AS MAYORAL ALLUDED TO, PEOPLE WANT ANSWERS YESTERDAY.
THE ANSWERS COST MONEY AND THEN THE SOURCES COST MONEY.
I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A MONEY TREE OUT BACK.
I WAS TOLD THAT MY FIRST COUNCIL MEETING AND IT REMAINS TRUE.
AND I THINK FOR, FOR ME TO FRAME HOW DIRE THE, THE ISSUE IS FROM MY STANDPOINT IS IMPORTANT TOO.
WE'VE LOOKED LIKE 50 YEARS AT THE DROUGHT INFORMATION AND TRIED TO PICK OUT HOW MANY TIMES IT WOULD'VE BEEN BAD ENOUGH THAT YOU WOULD'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO TELL PEOPLE THEY COULDN'T TURN THEIR WATER SPIGOT ON.
AND I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN MOST RECENTLY.
SO WHEN YOU PUT THAT IN CONTEXT IN THE FRONT PARAGRAPH OF THE REPORT I'M GONNA DO THAT GOES AHEAD AND SETS PEOPLE'S MIND, OKAY, I'M GETTING READY TO SEE OPTIONS THAT ARE 10, $15 MILLION, 30, 40% RATE INCREASES.
HOW MUCH AM I WILLING TO PAY TO BE OUT OF WATER FOR A DAY POTENTIALLY EVERY 50 YEARS? AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHERE I LIVE IN AS AN ENGINEER.
YOU GOTTA PUT IT ALL IN CONTEXT AND IN BIGGER CITIES WHERE NOBODY EVER WANTS THEIR WATER TO BREAK EVER AND THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY THAT THEIR WATER RATE IS THREE TIMES WHAT IT IS IN A RURAL COMMUNITY.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST HAPPEN TO RICHMOND WITH THEIR WATER RATE.
THEY STILL DIDN'T HAVE WATER FOR A WEEK.
ANOTHER STORY, UM, DID, DID YOU MENTION ON THE QUARRIES THAT THERE WAS LIKE A, A 60% UP TO A 60%, UH, FIGURE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD PULL NO, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS.
NO, IT'S NOT REGULATED BY D EQ.
AND AGAIN, MINE TREATMENT NOT THE FULL FOR A FOR QUARRY.
THEY DO SURFACE WATER GETS THE FULL TREATMENT.
SO WE BASICALLY NEED TO BUY THE QUARRY AND EITHER COMPLETELY UPGRADE OUR CURRENT WATER PLANT AND PUMP IT OUT TO IT OR PUT A NEW BACKUP WATER PLANT ON THAT SITE.
SO, AND THIS COULD BE PHASED AS A MASTER PLAN WHERE MULTIPLE COUNCILS SEE, OKAY, THIS IS NOW THE TIME IN THE ROADMAP WHEN WE DO ACTION ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PREVIOUS COUNCIL GOT US THIS FAR.
I MEAN IT MAY BE THAT FAR OUT PLANNING ONCE YOU SEE THE NUMBERS AND IF YOU WANT IT IMMEDIATE, I ABLE TELL YOU HOW MUCH YOU GOTTA PULL OUT THE BUDGET TO DO SOMETHING FAST.
I ALSO HAVE BEEN INFORMED SINCE THIS DISCUSSION HAS STARTED TONIGHT THAT THE QUARRY, UM, PUMPS OUT OF THE DIG SITE INTO THE CREEK 24 7 MM-HMM
SO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
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NO PUMPS THAT CAN GET IT DRY ENOUGH FOR 'EM TO KEEP OPERATING.THEY LEAVE ENTIRE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT DOWN THERE WHEN THEY FLOOD.
I'VE TAKEN UP QUITE A BIT OF COUNCIL.
AND I'LL WORK WITH BJ AND STAFF TO GET THE OTHER ANSWERS CLEARED UP.
IT'S FOR A RETREAT AND I GOT WHEAT TO GET YOU SOME NUMBERS.
WE'VE GOT THE WATER TREATMENT PLAN.
THAT'S THE WATER TREATMENT PLAN.
WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS KEEP GIVING CHA AND WE ARE PROUD TO BE PART OF THE TOWN AND UH, HOPEFULLY HELP YOU WITH THE DECISIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE FOLKS HERE.
SO YOU HAVE BACKED UP OUR SENTIMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY TONIGHT, SO WE APPRECIATE YOU
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR, YOUR OKAY.
ALRIGHT, NEXT ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS.
UM, FOUR A IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS AND AN OFFICE BUILDING OFF OF ROYAL LANE
AND THAT IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED BY MS. OKAY.
SO THIS SPECIALLY USED PERMIT, UM, IS FOR THAT PROPERTY BEHIND, UH, WE A LANE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.
WE A LANE THAT'S ABOUT 1100 FEET BACK FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT'S OUR COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT.
UM, THAT'S WHY THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR THE APARTMENTS.
YOU HAVE MORE THAN THREE APARTMENTS AND THEN YOU'RE, UM, LOOKING ON THE GROUND FLOOR BOX.
UM, SO WITH THIS PROJECT, I, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE PLAN HERE, UM, THERE'S THREE BUILDINGS, 36 APARTMENTS TOTAL.
12 APARTMENTS IN EACH BUILDING ARE WHAT'S PROPOSED.
UM, WHEN THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WAS DONE, AND MIND YOU, THIS TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS BACK IN 2014, UM, THIS PROJECT WOULD WARRANT, UM, TWO IMPROVEMENTS.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE A LEFT LANE AND RIGHT LANE, UM, TAPER.
UM, SO 125 FOOT LEFT LANE WOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE, UH, UM, THE INTERSECTION THERE AND THEN THE RIGHT LANE TABLE WOULD BE THE COMING IN.
WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE FOR STAFFING? LOOKING AT THIS PROGRAM, I'M TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC.
ROYAL LANE PRESENTLY IS NOT UM, STRIPED OR LINED, CORRECT? RIGHT.
DID I READ SOMETHING IN THERE? UM, RECOMMENDING CREATING A, UM, A LEFT HAND AND A RIGHT HAND TURN LANE TO UM, I I ASSUME NOW WITHOUT ANY MARKING, PEOPLE JUST STACK UP WHERE THEY GOING LEFT.
SO ONE OF THE RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE THAT THIS BE STRIKE APPROPRIATELY SO YOU COULD DRIVE TRAFFIC SO YOU HAVE LEFT ON THE WAY TO RIGHT.
IS NOT WAITING ON SOMEONE MAKING A UP TO GO ACROSS TRAFFIC.
AND IN YOUR PICTURES HERE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, HEADING WEST INTO TOWN, WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE BOTTOM.
THAT'S A, UH, LEFT HAND TURN LANE FOR EITHER, UM, YEAH.
EITHER UH, EASTBOUND OR WESTBOUND.
SO TURNING ONTO ROYAL LANE ABOUT WHERE THAT CAR IS, I BELIEVE IN THE PICTURE.
SO THERE IS A STACKING LANE IN THE MIDDLE THAT CAN BE USED FOR THAT TRAFFIC TO WAIT TO MAKE THE LEFT ONTO THE PROPERTY.
AND WE ALREADY HAVE A RIGHT ONLY LANE IN PLACE, THE TOP WHEN WE'RE LOOKING EASTBOUND.
IS THERE A TRAFFIC STUDY ON THE AGENDA? THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A CURRENT ONE BEING DONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10, 12 YEARS AGO.
THIS IS WHAT WE RAN INTO WITH THE DEVELOPMENTAL LAKE RUN PARKWAY THAT DIDN'T HAVE A TRAFFIC.
SO I'VE REACHED OUT TO FEED OUT WHEN WE WERE AT OUR LAST DRC MEETING, THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO JUST TRY TO DO A QUICK ANALYSIS FOR ME.
I'M TRYING TO GET THAT BEFORE I GO.
CAN, CAN YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE THE MAYOR'S ON THE BOX AND I'M OLD.
SO AT THE LAST DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, VITA WAS THERE.
I ASKED IF THEY WOULD JUST KIND OF DO A QUICK REVIEW FOR ME.
OF THIS, JUST THE IN AND OUT ON THE AVERAGE DAY.
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252 TRIPS FOR THIS USE.UM, I'M JUST GONNA SEE IF THEY CAN RUN THE NUMBERS FOR ME, AND I'M TRYING TO GET THAT BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING.
SO I SAW A SUGGESTION FROM A COMMUNITY MEMBER ABOUT, UM, POSSIBILITY OF, OF ENTRY FROM REMOUNT ROAD, BUT WOULD IT BE, WOULD THERE BE A POTENTIAL ENTRY THERE OR WOULD IT HAVE TO CROSS PRIVATE LAND? THAT WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.
SO THERE ARE TWO ROADS UP THERE.
WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED WOULD BE THAT THE, UM, THERE WOULD BE A CUL-DE-SAC THAT WOULD TERMINATE.
SO THEY WOULD BE EXTENDING ROYAL LANE AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A CUL-DE-SAC, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW CONNECTION HERE.
UM, BUT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, I DON'T LIKE THE BOWLING ALLEY AND ALL THAT.
I THINK THIS IS THE BOWLING ALLEY HERE.
SO IT'S THE RIGHT, RIGHT OF WAY.
THERE'S SOME KIND OF ROAD THAT, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE AMBER THAT RUNS BEHIND THE TOWN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS, IS THIS THE TOWN, IS THIS OUR WATER? MM-HMM
SO THEY WOULD NEED TO CONNECT IN AND WE WOULD HAVE TO, I GUESS HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM, BUT THEY'RE PROVIDING THE RIGHT OF WAY TO THE EDGE HERE SO THAT IF THE TOWN EVER CHOSE TO CONNECT IN, WE COULD.
I THOUGHT THAT BACK WHEN THE EDA AND I, I'M NOT QUITE CLEAR ABOUT THIS.
WHEN THE EDA WAS LOOKING AT DEVELOPING IT, I THOUGHT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT A CONNECTOR ROAD THAT WOULD COME OUT OPPOSITE OF KAISER RIGHT HERE.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D BE RIGHT THERE.
IF THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TWO WAYS IN AND OUT AND RIGHT.
WOULD HELP WITH, UH, THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE.
NO, THERE WAS, BECAUSE WE HAVE LIKE A SAVING PLAN AND THE LAND CURRENTLY IS ZONED WHAT? C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS.
SO THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY FOR RETAIL USES, UM, HIGHWAY ORIENTED, UH, COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, THIS SITE IS A LITTLE FAR BACK FROM THE, THE MAIN ROAD, UM, FOR MOST COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, AND ANY COMMERCIAL USES GENERATE WOULD GENERATE HIGHER DENSITY OF HIGHER AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, UM, THAN ANY RESIDENTIAL USE IS GOING TO.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S ABOUT RURAL LANE IN THE EVENING AND IN THE MORNING IT BACKS UP CLEAR UP TO THE APARTMENTS.
AND IF YOU PUT ALL THOSE APARTMENTS IN THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE, THERE'S GONNA NEED TO BE SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE AT THE END OF JOHN MARSHALL.
THAT ROLL LANE TURN LEFT TRAFFIC ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS WARRANTED ON PAPER IS THAT TURNING LANE.
SO, BUT THAT WAS 12 YEARS AGO.
AND I MEAN, TRAFFIC IS PROBABLY AT LEAST DOUBLED BY THAT TIME.
BUT YOU'VE GOT A COMMERCIAL, YOU'VE GOT A DAYCARE FACILITY BACK THERE THAT'S GONNA GENERATE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC AND THE WARNINGS AND THEN THE AFTERNOONS.
UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE 90 OR SO APARTMENT, THESE UNITS HERE.
I IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A, A, THE PROPOSED FIASCO RIGHT DOWN AT THE END OF JOHN MARSHALL AND ROLL LANE.
WELL, THE PROPOSED USE FROM THAT, THE CURRENT CALCULATION ON GENERATES 252 TRIPS A DAY, WHICH IS IN COMPARISON TO THE 1700 THAT THE OTHER USES GENERATE ABOUT RIGHT.
DOES ANYBODY RECALL AT THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD HOW MANY APARTMENTS ARE IN THE NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WAS JUST APPROVED? 9 90 90.
AND WHAT, WHAT WAS THE TRIP COUNT FOR THAT THEY HAD A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY WHAT WAS THAT? MAYOR, GO AHEAD.
UM, UH, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, BECAUSE I HAVE HAD PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
UM, MUCH LIKE WHAT COUNCILMAN
FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU'RE COMING OUTTA RURAL LANE, YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE A LEFT OR MAKE A RIGHT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BUT I KNOW THAT GETTING IN AND OUT OF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, UM, I DO TRAVEL THAT ROAD A LOT, ONLY BECAUSE I DO LIVE ON THAT END OF TOWN.
UM, AND THERE ARE BUSINESSES THERE, THERE'S APARTMENTS THERE, THERE'S A DAYCARE THERE.
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THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.I THINK GOING INTO IT, MAKING A RIGHT INTO IT IS THE, THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE COMING OUT OF IT, IT'S COMING OUTTA ITS LEFT.
TO TRY TO GET BACK INTO TOWN WHEN EVERYBODY'S COMING DOWN 55 DOWN MARSHALL HIGHWAY COMING BACK, YOU KNOW, UM, COMING BACK INTO TOWN, WHETHER THEIR COMMUTERS OR THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC OR WHATEVER.
UM, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I'VE, I'VE OFFERED THIS BEFORE, UH, COMING ON OFF OF WALKER AVENUE TO TRY TO GET ONTO JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.
I, I LITERALLY DRIVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GO TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT SO THAT I CAN MAKE SURE I CAN GET OUT OF THERE.
SO LAUREN, THAT WOULD NOT BE AN OPTION.
WOULD IT BE TO SAY THAT YOU COULDN'T MAKE A LEFT? I THINK THAT'S AN ANSWER.
IS THAT AN ANSWER YOU CAN GIVE? I I CAN ADDRESS THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A CONDITION THAT COULD BE PLACED ON THIS SUV.
SOUNDS LIKE THE ONLY WAY WE COULD DO THAT IS IF THE TOWN PUT A ROUNDABOUT THERE.
WELL, I THINK HE WOULD'VE TO HAVE FAILURE OF THAT INTERSECTION ON PAPER.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE TO DO THE ANALYSIS FOR ME, IF THAT FAILS WITH THIS TRIP GENERATION, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN START LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, WHAT'S NEEDED TO IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION.
I THINK THERE END, I THINK AT THE END OF, AT THE END, SAME ROAD, END OF SOUTH STREET WHERE IT MEETS ROYAL AROUND ABOUT A CONTINUOUS FLOW OF TRAFFIC OF PEOPLE AND HOW TO USE ONE IN LEAVE SEASON.
YOU'RE NOT WAITING ON LIGHTS TO CHANGE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, I I, FOR ME, THAT'S A PUBLIC RELATIONS NIGHTMARE.
I MEAN, I, I COULDN'T IMAGINE LIVING ON THAT STREET AND THEN SUDDENLY SOMEBODY'S TELLING ME I CAN'T TURN LEFT OFF OF MY STREET BECAUSE YOU PUT IN, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF APARTMENTS AND I'VE GOTTA GO ALL THE WAY UP TO LEE RUN AND GO DOWN HAPPY CREEK TO GET THE SMOOTHEST RIDE.
WE CAN'T MAKE THEM MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO A ROAD THAT DOESN'T TOUCH THEIR PROPERTY.
YEAH, IT DOES AT THE END OF THE ROAD.
OH, YOU MEAN TO REMOUNT? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY.
BUT THE TOWN WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE WILLING TO BUILD A ROAD.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A ROAD THERE, BUT THEN WHEN THEY CONNECT TO, IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL ROAD.
NO, IT'S A BABY STREET RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS NOT A ROAD IS WHERE THE, THE SUBDIVISION IS.
THAT IS WHERE IT WOULD GO OUT TO REMOUNT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HERE, BUT YOU WOULD NEED TO CONNECT BY THE VALLEY.
THIS IS THE ROAD THAT'S THERE.
THIS IS WHERE LIKE THE COMCAST BUILDING IS.
THIS IS THE TOWNS, WHICH IS NOT AN ACTUAL ROAD.
IT WOULD'VE TO BE MADE INTO A ROAD.
WHAT ANOTHER THING THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, IT'S STATING THAT, UH, THEY WANT TO MAKE AN EXTENSION, UH, FOR THE END QUALITY SIDE ALL THE WAY TO THE, YEAH.
ALL THE WAY IN FRONT OF WHERE IT'S GOING BE BUILT TO THE END OF PROPERTY, TO THE END OF THE PROPERTY WITH, THERE WAS A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT SAID THAT IT COULD BE EXTENDED FOR THE FUTURE.
SO YOU'RE OPENING ONE THING YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, YOU'RE GONNA PUT, IF IT'S APPROVED, YOU PUT ADDITIONAL, WHAT IS IT? 36 IS IT IS UNITS.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA EXTEND, POTENTIALLY YOU COULD BE IN THAT POSITION.
I, I WORRY ABOUT AN ANOTHER EXTENSION THAT SOMEONE ELSE MAY WANT TO DO GOING, GOING FORWARD.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND AN INTER, AN INTERCONNECTION CONTINUATION? BLESS YOU.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS GOING FORWARD.
WELL, YOU, WELL, IT DOESN'T EXIST.
WELL, IT DOESN'T EXIST, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T THINK ABOUT IT FROM IN, IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, TO, TO PREVENT A MISTAKE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THESE OKAY, THESE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE SOUTH OF, IF THEY'RE LANDLOCKED.
I MEAN, IF THEY EVER WANT TO DEVELOP IT, MAYBE THEY HAVE TO.
THAT'S THE TOWN'S WATER PLANT SOUTH OF IT.
THIS IS OUR WATER PLANT, THAT'S OUR WATER TREATMENT FACILITY SOUTH OF IT.
THIS PEAK HERE, THAT'S OUR WATER TREATMENT FACILITY.
SO THIS IS THE END OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN ACTUALLY HERE ON THE ZONING MAP, YOU CAN SEE, SO THIS IS YOUR, THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN BUILT UP THE ROAD.
AND THEN THAT'S, THERE'S A NON-EXISTENT ROAD THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SO THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO CONNECT ALL THE WAY HERE, LIKE THROUGH WITH TOWN PROPERTY.
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TO BUILD THIS ROAD TO CONNECT, TO GET IT TO WHERE THEY CAN BASICALLY JUST MAKE A LOOP.THEY COULD OFFER IT, THEY COULD OFFER IT, THEY COULD OFFER IT VOLUNTARILY, BUT THE TOWN ALSO DO AN AGREEMENT.
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND WE'D HAVE TO TAKE IT INTO OUR ROADWAY SYSTEM AND STATE
SO WE'D HAVE TO BE WILLING TO TAKE IN ANOTHER ROAD TO MAINTAIN FOR 36 APARTMENTS, CURB AND GUTTER SIDEWALKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT, ALL THAT.
WHICH ALSO, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I SEE THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE ISSUE IS I LIVE ON THAT END OF TOWN NEAR THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, TURN ON AND OFF OF JAMESTOWN EVERY MORNING AND NIGHT AFTER FOUR SCHOOL DROP OFFS.
AND I HAVE BEEN HAVING TO STOP EVERY EVENING.
THERE'S A KID WHO WALKS FROM, I GUESS THE HIGH SCHOOL AND CROSSES AT JAMESTOWN ON JOHN MARSHALL, WHICH IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
BUT I KNOW THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED OUR SENTIMENTS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS WHO WALK.
AND SO YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU'VE GOT ROYAL LANE APARTMENTS BACK THERE.
DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE CHILDREN WHO GO TO SCHOOL AND ARE THEY GONNA WALK TO AND FROM BUS STOP GONNA BE, THAT'S IT.
THEY'RE ALREADY CROSSING FROM THE SIDE.
'CAUSE THE SIDEWALK IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE JAMESTOWN IS AND THEY'RE CROSSING TO GO OVER.
UM, AND I'VE BEEN SEEING THAT EVERY EVENING LATELY, UH, AT THE SAME EXACT TIME.
THEY, SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE GONNA BE ADDED TO THAT.
AND THEY'RE RUN ACROSS THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE AFRAID NOT RUN ACROSS THE STREET.
AND IT'S DARK EARLY RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE THE, I DON'T EVEN THINK THE ROAD'S BIG ENOUGH.
IF WE WANTED TO, WE COULD PUT A SIDEWALK ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF JOHN MARSHALL RIGHT THERE.
I'M ALSO, THERE'S A PRIVATE ROAD THERE.
I ALSO WANTED TO ASK CHIEF, JUST FOR CURIOSITY, LIKE, UM, HOW MANY, UM, IS ROYAL LANE A A HIGH LAW ENFORCEMENT INTERACTION AREA AS IT IS NOW? AS IN AS IN CALLS? CALLS? IT'S NOT A CALL FOR SERVICE DAY.
YOU ONLY OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD AND PROBABLY ISN'T A HYATT.
NO, I GOT RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF HEAD.
ALSO, I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THE ACCIDENT, LIKE HOW MANY ACCIDENTS TYPICALLY AT JOHN MARSHALL AND THE ENTRANCE TO ROYAL LANE, UM, FOR A YEAR.
ESPECIALLY THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S STUFF THAT WE'VE ASKED THE FORMER CHIEF.
THEY RUN THE NUMBERS FOR THE, UM, STAR STUDY V YEAR RECENTLY.
SO I THINK IT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE.
I CAN ALWAYS PULL THAT AND TRY TO HAVE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA TAKE THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS MONTH OR WANT ME TO GATHER MORE DATA FROM VDOT AND WHAT WAS THE DAILY TRAFFIC COUNT ON JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY? THAT SECTION THAT WAS 252, UM, ON JOHN MARSHALL.
UM, I'M NOT ASKING THAT QUESTION.
I'M ASKING THE COUNT ON JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.
I DON'T THINK SHE DID ONE, WHICH THAT'S GONNA BE THE COMMUTER TRAFFIC.
THAT'S GONNA BE A HELL OF A LOT MORE.
NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THAT ON THE, WE'D HAVE TO GET THAT FROM VO PROBABLY.
I MEAN, UH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE TRIP COUNT IS IN 2012 OR 2014 VERSUS TODAY.
SO TINA, IF OKAY, IF COUNSEL WANTED MORE INFORMATION ON THIS, WE'D HAVE TO BE, BRING IT BACK TO ANOTHER WORK STUDY, JUST HER WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS IF WE WANTED TO TAKE IT TO A PUBLIC HEARING THIS MONTH, WE'D HAVE TO DECIDE TONIGHT.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S MORE INFORMATION THAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
MAYOR COCKRELL, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? YES, ACTUALLY I'M, I'M GRATEFUL THAT THAT'S, UM, BEEN BROUGHT UP.
'CAUSE AS I SAID, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME CITIZENS THAT HAVE CONCERNS.
UH, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN WE DO IT.
SO MAYBE ONCE WE GET THE INFORMATION WE NEED, THEN WE'LL BE READY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DESIRE OF COUNSEL IS TO GET MORE INFORMATION FROM VDOT REGARDING THE TRIPS ON JOHN MARSHALL, AND THEN MORE INFORMATION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REGARDING IF IT'S A HIGH CALL VOLUME AREA AND THEN ALSO ACCIDENTS FOR ROYAL AND JOHN MARSHALL.
AND THEN THE MAYOR AND TOWN MANAGER WILL SET THAT FOR A FUTURE WORK SESSION, BUT IT WON'T GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING THIS MONTH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU GUYS WANT STAFF TO GET ANSWERS FOR? NO.
AND IF SO, YOU HAVE TIME TO EMAIL THEM BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT WORK SESSION WHEN IT'S ONE SOONER YOU CAN GET THAT EMAIL OUT BETTER.
YOU DO HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE STEP, DID YOU WANT THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN MARCH? YES.
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ROL THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN MARCH.RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT WOULD, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE INFORMATION PEOPLE WANT.
AND THEN THAT WOULD SAVE, LEAVE ENOUGH TIME TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MARCH.
SO FOR ANYBODY WATCHING TONIGHT, OR FOR COUNSEL, DEPENDING ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED AT THE FIRST SHORT SESSION OF MARCH, WE WOULD PLAN TO TENANT, TYPICALLY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE END OF MARCH.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU ON THAT ONE, BUT THE NEXT ONE'S YOURS, IF YOU WANNA STAY HERE UNDER NEW BUSINESS ITEM FOUR B, WE HAVE A REZONING APPLICATION TO RECLASSIFY ADDRESSES IN A VACANT LOT ON WEST STRASSBURG ROAD FROM C ONE TO R THREE.
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OKAY, SO THIS IS, UM, FIVE LOTS.
SO WE'VE GOT 10 30, 44, 52, 60 IN THE VACANT LOT STRASSBURG ROAD TO BE REZONED FROM C ONE TO R THREE.
YOU JUST PASSED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO SHOW THIS AS RESIDENTIAL.
SO NOW THIS IS AN ACTUAL REZONING REQUEST TO GO FROM THE C ONE ZONING TO THE R THREE ZONING.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT HAMMERHEAD.
SO THERE ARE EXISTING HOMES ON A FEW OF THESE.
UH, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, I THINK, TWO VACANT PARCELS.
UM, AND THE INTENTION WOULD BE TO DEVELOP THIS, UH, FOR TOWN HOMES.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THREE OF EIGHT FOUND HOMES HERE, 1 24.
ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK WE ALL EXPECTED THE, WE TALKED ABOUT BURNED OUT.
BURN OUT ONES THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT DONE ROOF.
JUST BE A STOP SIGN, PROBABLY
MAYOR COCKLE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM? NONE OF COUNSEL DOES.
WELL THAT WAS PRETTY PAINLESS.
PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY, OCTOBER 4TH.
SO THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AT FEBRUARY'S REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
NEXT, ON THE AGENDA UNDER NEW BUSINESS, WE HAVE ITEM FOUR C, WHICH IS A REQUEST FROM HABITAT FOR HUMANITY FOR THE WAIVER OF UTILITY CONNECTION FEES ON OSAGE STREET.
UH, SO WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM HABITAT AND HUMANITY FOR WATER SEWER CONNECTIONS AND ELECTRIC CONNECTIONS THERE ON MAY, SAGE STREET, UH, THERE ARE, UH, THREE PROPERTIES THAT HABITATS, UH, LOOKING TO CONSTRUCT.
UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING WATER AND SEWER, UH, CONNECTION FOR ONE OF THE PROPERTIES.
UH, SO THEY ARE REQUESTING, UH, TWO WATER AND SEWER CONNECTIONS AND THE ELECTRIC CONNECTION, UH, THE ONE PROPERTY WAS DEMOLISHED, UM, UH, YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, WHAT THE SUGGESTION IS, IS TO DO A LIEN LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST FOR THE OTHER HABITAT HUMANITY PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE DONE, WHERE WE PUT A PLACE, A LIEN ON THE PROJECT AS LONG AS THE, UH, RESIDENT RESIDES THERE FOR 20, UH, ROUGHLY 20 YEARS.
UM, AND THEN IT IS, UH, FORGIVEN ANYTHING, UH, LESS THAN 20 YEARS THAT IT'S ATED IF THEY SELL THE PROPERTY, IF THEY SELL THE PROPERTY, VACATE THE PROPERTY OR, OR, CORRECT.
I THINK FROM MY TIME ON HABITAT FROM HUMANITY THERE, THIS, THAT TOWN, UM, WAY OF DOING BUSINESS GOES BACK PREDATING BASICALLY MY EXISTENCE BECAUSE THERE WERE HABITAT HOUSES UP IN THE BELMONT, UM, WHERE WE RENAMED THE ROAD.
UH, AND THAT AREA, THOSE WERE HABITAT HOMES THAT HAD BEEN OCCUPIED FOR 30 PLUS YEARS THAT WE DID THAT SAME EXACT, BASICALLY, YEAH.
WE'VE DONE THREE OR FOUR OF THEM.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ARRANGEMENT.
AND, UM, I MAY DEFINITELY, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS THE PROPERTY THAT, UM, I WENT FOR THE OPEN HOUSE, OR NOT OPEN HOUSE, BUT LIKE GROUNDBREAKING YEAH.
SO, AND THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR, LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
SO WAS THIS PRESENTED TO HAVE A TEST AS A DEFERRAL? DO THEY, ARE THEY AWARE OF THIS PROPOSAL TO DEFER, HAVE, UH, ARE THEY LOOKING FOR A DONATION? UM, I HAVEN'T PRESENTED THE DEFERRAL TO THEM, BUT I'M, I'M ANTICIPATING THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTING, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO.
UM, I JUST WANT TO COVER THE DONATION CORRECT BASE, WHICH STATE LAW DOES ENABLE IT, UM, FOR A CHARITABLE INSTITUTION,
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UH, LOCATED WITHIN RESPECTIVE LI UH, LIMITS OF THE LOCALITY OR OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF SUCH INSTITUTION OR ASSOCIATION PROVIDES SERVICES TO RESIDENTS OF THE LOCALITY.AND I THINK, SO I, I, I WOULD JUST WANT TO COVER, IF WE'RE GONNA GO THE DONATION ROUTE, I WOULD JUST WANT HABITAT TO CONFIRM THEIR MISSION IS CHARITABLE.
UM, YEAH, THIS IS ALSO THE PROPERTY WHERE THERE WAS A FIRE, UM, THAT TOOK PLACE RECENTLY.
UM, AND I THINK ALL OF THE COMMUNITY KNOW, IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR MANY YEARS FOR THE REVITALIZATION OF OSAGE IN DOWNTOWN ROYAL AND THAT AREA, NOT DOWNTOWN AS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE, THERE'S BEEN SOME IMPROVEMENTS MADE.
IN THE LAST 90 DAYS, THERE WAS A HOUSE ON THE CORNER THAT'S BEEN REHABILITATED BY A PRIVATE INVESTOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAUSED THE ARSON AND THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY HAD MOVED DOWN TO ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT'S SINCE BEEN PURCHASED AND CHANGED OWNERSHIP AND HAS BEEN COMPLETELY REVITALIZED AND IS A GORGEOUS PROPERTY.
UM, IF THEY HAVEN'T, IT WAS LISTED FOR RENT.
UM, AND THE HOME IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL NOW.
BUT DOES COUNSEL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? YOU SAID WE'RE GOOD WITH THE DEFERRAL? I WOULD PREFER THE DEFERRAL THAT ALSO HELPS THE MISSION OF THE HABITAT FOR WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO AND REVITALIZING AND HELPING THE COMMUNITY AND GIVE BACK BECAUSE IT MAKES SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T COMING IN AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HABITAT FOR COMMUNITY.
I SAT ON THE, UM, SOME OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY UP UNTIL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PROGRAM AND HOW MANY PEOPLE NEED THAT PROGRAM.
AND WHAT THEY'VE BUILT IN WARREN COUNTY ARE GORGEOUS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NICER THAN A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, REGULAR TOWNHOUSES AND HOMES THAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND THE PLANS ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL TO SEE WHAT THEY'VE PLANNED TO BUILD THERE.
I THINK ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE, UH, IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA IN PARTICULAR, UH, IT'S BEEN A FORGOTTEN AREA FOR MANY YEARS AND I THINK, UH, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP THEM.
MAYOR RELL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? NOPE.
I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE HIT EVERYTHING.
UH, I THINK THAT IT COULD BE A WIN-WIN, UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT, UM, THE IDEA OF WHAT I WOULD SAY HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BUY THE HOUSE LIVE IN THE HOUSE FOR 20 YEARS, UM, IS A GOOD WAY TO, TO ENSURE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT IT IS ABOUT REALLY HELPING SOMEBODY ESTABLISH HOME OWNERSHIP.
WELL, HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, THIS WILL GO ON THE FEBRUARY REGULAR MEETING AGENDA.
UM, LET CONFIRM WITH, LEMME CONFIRM WITH HABITAT.
WE WILL GET IT ON THE FUTURE MEETING, BUT EXCEPT FEBRUARY.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER COUNCIL NEEDS IN A WORK SESSION.
UNDER NEW BUSINESS WE HAVE ITEM FOUR D, WHICH IS AN FY 25 BUDGET AMENDMENT AND ACCEPTANCE OF BID FOR EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECT.
THE, UH, SO, UH, UH, WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE COUNCIL IS, UH, UH, LIKE I SAY, UH, REQUEST TO APPROVE THE AWARD OF A BID, UH, AND, UH, FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
UH, THE BUDGET AMENDMENT IS TO BRING IN FUNDS, UH, FROM VO FOR REVENUE SHARING WOULD BE HALF OF THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION AMOUNT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, HALF BEING 900, $9,000, I CAN'T EVEN SAY 900, $9,000, ALMOST, ALMOST 900, $10,000.
UH, AND THEN THE, UH, TO AWARD CONSTRUCTION TO WG CONSTRUCTION COMPANY OF FAIRFAX WAS THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE, RESPONSIBLE BIDDER IN THE AMOUNT OF, UH, ONE MILLION EIGHT HUNDRED NINETEEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED NINETY EIGHT THOUSAND FIFTY CENTS.
UM, WE WERE VERY PLEASED ON THE, UH, BIDS THAT WE GOT ON THIS.
UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THEY DID, UH, UH, THEY WERE, SOME OF 'EM WERE RATHER CLOSE, BUT, UM, UH, WE WERE VERY HAPPY THAT THIS, UH, WHERE THE FIGURE CAME OUT, THE DOWN DOES HAVE ITS FUNDS SET ASIDE IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD TO CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND THAT MR. BOYER HERE TO ASSIST MEETING.
THIS WAS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT, LIKE BJ SAID, WE'VE HAD BUDGETED FOR YEARS.
WHEN I CAME ONTO COUNCIL, I GOT TO MEET WITH THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT WAS DOING THE PLANS FOR THIS.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS VOC CAME UP AND THEY WERE READY TO REVENUE SHARE AND WE HAD TO STOP THE PAVING MONEY THAT WE HAD ALLOCATED AND YEP.
AND AMEND THE BUDGET TO PUT IT TOWARDS THIS PROJECT.
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HAVE ANY QUESTION? UM, ONE QUESTION.MADDEN AND CRAIG, THE ENGINEERING, UH, SURVEYORS, ARE THEY OUR, UM, IT'LL BE OUR, UH, PROJECT REPRESENTATIVE.
UH, THEY HELPED US OUT WITH, UH, ER RIGHT.
HELPED US OUT WITH ER ROAD BRIDGE.
ARE THEY, ARE THEIR FEES IN THE BID? NO, WE'VE ALREADY CONTRACTED THEM SEPARATELY.
OH, THAT PREVIOUSLY, WHEN THEY COMPLETED IT, PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO, COUNCILMAN INGRAM, COUNCILMAN DEAMON PAY AND MYSELF ACTUALLY WENT TO THEIR CHRISTMAS PARTY FOR ALL OF THEIR, UM, I GUESS VML.
WELL, BUT IT WAS INDEPENDENT OF VML.
THEY SENT OUT AN INVITATION TO US HERE ON COUNCIL, AND THEY HOSTED AT THE SAME TIME AS VML, SO IT WAS DOWN IN NORFOLK.
AND THEY HAD COMPLETED THEIR ENGINEERING STUDY BACK 2023 NOVEMBER, I THINK.
SO THEIR, THEIR LETTER IS JUST THEIR APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACTOR WE'VE SELECTED? EXACTLY.
YES, WE HAVE THEM VET, UH, WE USUALLY HAVE THE ENGINEERING FIRMS VET 'EM OUT AS WELL.
UM, JUST IF THERE HAPPENS TO BE SOMETHING THERE WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF, AND IT'LL BE JUST LIKE THE KREER ROAD BRIDGE FROM WHAT MY CONVERSATIONS WERE WITH THEM, WHICH ELEVATED IT FOR THE UNDERFLOW, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT.
FOR THE TREE BRUSH AND STUFF THAT WERE CLOGGING IT UP AT EIGHTH STREET, WHICH CAUSED IT TO FLOOD, ONLY CALL BE GONE.
THE CALL BE SPAN IT WITH ONE COLUMN IN THE MIDDLE.
AND IT'LL BE BE A COUPLE FOOT HIGHER MM-HMM
THEN CREER NO, THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.
WE TRIED TO RAISE IT MORE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE FLOW AND WATER BACK TWO AND A HALF FOOT.
SO IT SHOULD PREVENT A LOT OF THE FLOODING THAT CLOSES THAT AREA.
UM, PRETTY OFTEN WHEN WE GET HEAVY RAINS.
MAYOR CREL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I'M GOOD.
ONE, ONE QUESTION FOR ROBBIE ON, AS I UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE THE ELEVATION TO GET THAT, IS IT GONNA HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE WEST SIDE, UM, WHERE THE YOUTH CENTER IS IN THE CAR DEALERSHIP? NO, THERE'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE THE SIDEWALK FROM COMMERCE TO THE FIRST ENTRANCE OR THE STADIUM SO THAT THE ENTRANCE TO THE YOUTH CENTER WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE.
SO NOW WHERE YOU COME OUT RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION.
UM, THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE SIDEWALK AND IT'LL BE IN THE, IT'LL BE SPLIT IN THE CENTER TO MAKE IT SAFER IMPROVEMENT.
WE'VE BEEN, UH, WE SENT, ACTUALLY SENT THEM A CONSTRUCTION PLAT.
IN, UH, MARLOW IN THE COMMUNICATION BECAUSE IT'LL BE CURB ON MARLOW'S SIDE TOO.
SO IT'LL BE IMPROVEMENT ALL AROUND.
SO, UH, AND UH, I DON'T THINK I SAID IT BEFORE, BUT THE, THIS WILL REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE, UH, IT IS A BUDGET MINIMUM, UH, ABOVE 1% OF OUR TOTAL BUDGETED AMOUNT.
WELL, HEARING NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MAYOR RELL WILL HAVE THIS ON THE FEBRUARY'S REGULAR MEETING AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT, THAT IF WE DO IT TONIGHT, IT CAN GET IT
NO OPPOSITION FROM COUNCIL TO HAVE THIS ON FEBRUARY'S PUBLIC HEARINGS.
NEXT STEP UNDER NEW BUSINESS, WE HAVE ITEM FOUR E.
UM, THANK YOU BJ AND ROBBIE FOR THAT.
I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY THE LAST THING FOR ROBBIE.
WE HAVE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER FOUR, ADMINISTRATION OF GOVERNMENT
THIS IS JUST A HOUSEKEEPING KEEPING.
THIS IS JUST HOUSEKEEPING ORDINANCE.
FOYA CHANGED JULY 1ST, UM, FOR REMOTE MEETINGS, FOR PARTICIPATION IN REMOTE MEETINGS.
THEY CHANGED IRONY IN THE TIMING IRON.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TODAY.
THESE ARE THE, UM, REASONS THAT YOU HAVE YOUR REMOTE PARTICIPATION.
I CAN GO THROUGH THEM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, IT'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY WHAT THEY ADDED.
ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO IT ARE NICE.
UM, THANKFULLY THIS COUNCIL HASN'T REALLY HAD TO EXPERIENCE IT TOO MUCH.
I KNOW COUNCILMAN WOOD HAS BEEN ABLE TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY, WHICH IT'S NICE TO HAVE THAT OPTION WHEN NEEDED.
UM, BUT EVERYBODY HERE DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF, DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS OR WANT TINA TO ELABORATE ON ANY OF THESE? WELL, THE SECOND PART OF THIS IS ACTUALLY, UM, OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS AND OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
I JUST UPDATED THE WORDING BECAUSE THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS LOOK A LITTLE OUTDATED.
SO WHAT THIS IS, IS JUST SELF-EXPLANATORY ON HOW YOU REMOVE AND ADD ITEMS TO YOUR CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, AND WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE A PROCESS TO REMOVE ITEMS FROM AN AGENDA, SO THAT'S BEEN ADDED AS WELL.
SO THIS WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING AT FEBRUARY'S MEETING.
IF COUNCIL HAS NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR
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STAFF, AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, I HAVE A MINOR EDIT ON THE FIRST ISSUE.IT'S JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, UH, WHILE THE MAYOR IS NOT A MEMBER OF TOWN COUNCIL, THE MAYOR IS A MEMBER OF THE GOVERNING BODY, AND UNDER FOIA, UH, UM, CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SAME MM-HMM
ANY, I, IT IS JUST A COUPLE OF WORDS I HAVE TO ASK.
AND THEN ONCE YOU HAVE THAT, YOU'LL HAVE IT TO TINA AND TIME MM-HMM
LAURA, MAYOR RELL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, I JUST WANNA SAY I, JED MYSELF TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN I SAID THAT I
MAYOR COCKRELL HAD NEVER MISSED A MEETING IN HER TIME ON COUNCIL OR AS MAYOR.
UM, AND THEN DECIDED TO BREAK ME IN.
IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT'S PART OF IT.
DIDN'T THEY ALSO ADD THE ABILITY TO CARE FOR A LOVED ONE TO BE A REASON SHE ASKED TOO, RIGHT? YES.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING HAD, RIGHT? MM-HMM
I THINK THAT, I THINK IT'S CAREGIVER, YES.
THAT ACTUALLY WAS THE BIGGEST, THAT WAS OF THE MEMBER OF THE MEMBER FAMILY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT WAS THE THING THAT WAS MOST NOTEWORTHY, I WOULD SAY.
UM, ALRIGHT, HEARING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, STAFF NOTES THAT THIS IS GOOD TO GO FOR THE FEBRUARY'S REGULAR MEETING AND WE WILL CONTINUE MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS A CLOSED MEETING.
I'LL MOVE THE TOWN COUNCIL, CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.271 AND 2.27, DAKOTA, VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES.
ONE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 CODE VIRGINIA FOR DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, LEARNING VIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CADENCE FOR EMPLOYMENT, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SCIENCE, DISCIPLINE, OR SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY OR SPECIFIC SIGN MANAGER POSITION.
WE ARE OFFICIALLY ENCLOSED IF ANYBODY NEED.