* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY, [00:00:01] SO I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNTY LIAISON [Liaison Town Hall on January 30, 2025.] MEETING FOR THURSDAY, JANUARY 30TH. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL, DO WE? WE DO NOT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, WELCOME EVERYBODY. OUR FIRST 2025 MEETING THIS YEAR. WE HAVE NOT BEEN TOGETHER SINCE OCTOBER, I BELIEVE. RIGHT. MS. GROUP. MS. UM, SO WE JUST HAVE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE ON HERE AND OBVIOUSLY IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BRING ANYTHING ELSE UP THEY CAN, BUT, SO THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT THE, UM, FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. MS. CAPISH, DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU WANT ME TO SET THE STAGE FOR IT OR DO YOU MIND? UM, I, LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY OVERALL, JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO BRING THAT UP WAS, UM, SO I GUESS IT'S BEEN ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WE HAD TO DEVELOPER THAT WAS COMING. UM, AND THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT PROFFERS AND, UM, AND THE FISCAL IMPACT MM-HMM . AND SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS QUESTIONED, AND I DID MYSELF THAT IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS ENOUGH. MM-HMM . AND THEN WE, UM, I KNOW I TALKED TO PEOPLE ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, LIKE THERE WAS JUST MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. AND I KNOW WE WERE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE, WHERE DID THESE NUMBERS COME FROM? AND AT THE TIME, UH, THERE WAS, UM, THE ASSISTANT DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WAS HERE AND SHE HAD LIKE THE LONGEST TENURE IN THE COUNTY AT THAT TIME AND, AND REALLY HAD LONGEST TENURE OF ANY OF US SITTING AROUND THE TABLE. AND SHE SAID SHE THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE AT LEAST 10 YEARS OLDER OR MORE. AND SO, UM, THAT KIND OF STARTED THAT WHOLE THINKING OF LIKE, THESE NUMBERS, THIS CALCULATION, THIS FORMULA NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. AND THEN THERE WAS QUESTION IS WHO UPDATES IT? BECAUSE I THINK AT ONE POINT THE SCHOOL BOARD, LIKE I KEPT, I PERSONALLY SAID TO THEM, WOULD YOU ALL NEED TO GET YOUR NUMBERS? BECAUSE, UM, THEY WERE BASING IT ON LIKE A NEW L NEW SCHOOL AND THE COST OF A NEW SCHOOL. YOU REMEMBER THIS. AND I, AND SOME, LIKE THE NUMBER THAT WAS IN THERE WAS LIKE, MAYBE IT WASN'T EVEN LIKE 20 MILLION, MAYBE IT WAS 20 MILLION, MAYBE IT WAS LESS THAN THAT. BUT EVERYBODY AGREED THERE WAS NO WAY THAT YOU COULD BUILD IT FOR THAT AT THAT TIME. SO THAT'S HOW WE WERE LIKE, THE NUMBERS ARE DEFINITELY OUTDATED AND NOBODY'S GONNA AGREE TO GIVE ANY MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE GONNA ASK THEM TO GIVE. AND SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT. LAUREN, I, I KNOW I EXPLAINED THOSE TO YOU. WOULD YOU COME UP AND EXPLAIN MORE TO THEM? 'CAUSE DO YOU WANNA DO IT HERE OR YOU CAN DO IT WHEREVER. YOU CAN SIT AT THE TABLE. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. SIT SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN HEAR IT . RIGHT. AND SO THAT THEY CAN HEAR TOO. RIGHT. SO PART OF WHAT TRIGGERED THIS ALSO IS RECENTLY WE, OUR DEPARTMENT'S BEEN GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR MEETINGS FROM DEVELOPERS. AND WHAT I THINK IS HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF ANY MAJOR ECONOMIC COLLAPSE IS THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE. AND THIS IS LOOKING LIKE A VERY DESIRABLE AREA TO COME IN. AND WHAT THEY WANNA DO IS THEY WANNA REZONE AND WITHIN TOWN LIMITS, WE STILL HAVE SEVERAL LARGE PARCELS WHERE WE COULD BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, REZONINGS THAT ARE FROM, YOU KNOW, 150 HOMES TO 300 500 HOMES DEPENDING ON DENSITY IN THE GIVEN REZONING. SO IF THESE MODELS AREN'T UPDATED, WHEN I REQUIRE A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS TO GET SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, THEY'RE USING NUMBERS FROM THAT ONE DOCUMENT. IT LOOKS LIKE FISCAL YEAR 2000. SO I I CAN'T THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT YOU SAYING SURE. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO WHEN THEY'RE COMING BACK AND THE MODEL IS SAYING, OKAY, YOU SHOULD BE OFFERING POTENTIALLY $6,900 PER UNIT TO OFFSET THE COST OF ADDITIONAL KIDS BEYOND MY RIGHT. GETTING PUT INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. MM-HMM . I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S DOING THE SCHOOLS ANY FAVORS. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S DOING THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN ANY FAVORS. WELL, I KNEW THAT, UH, I TALKED TO, UH, ED EARLIER AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HE, HE SAID THAT, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THESE, UH, THAT THIS ANALYSIS ABOUT 20 YEARS OLD. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE CONSIDERING DOING A, A NEW STUDY AND WANTED TO KIND OF REACH OUT TO Y'ALL AND SEE IF, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THE STUDY WITH US OR, YEAH. WELL I THINK THAT WAS THE QUESTION, SIR, WAS, UM, WE DO NEED TO DO A NEW, UH, ANALYSIS. UM, THOSE RUN ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IS THE [00:05:01] ESTIMATE WE GET FROM THAT. MATT GOT FOR IT. UH, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PUT THAT IN THIS NEXT BUDGET. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN PROMISE ANYTHING IN THERE YET, BUT IT IS, IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SERIOUSLY WANT TO LOOK AT. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THE NEED THOUGH. UM, LIKE EVEN THE SIX, WHAT'D YOU SAY? $6,900 IMPACT? I MEAN, THAT ONE KID IN SCHOOL FOR ONE YEAR EATS UP LIKE $5,700. SO, UM, THAT'S BASED ON WHAT THE COUNTY GIVES TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM DIVIDED BY ENROLLMENT OF 5,000. RIGHT. SO, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT, BUT, BUT I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL GIVE. BUT YEAH, RESEARCH FEDERAL, IT'S CLOSE TO $15,000 PER YEAR TO EDUCATE ONE CHILD IN WARREN COUNTY. YEAH. YEAH. AND YOU ALL PROVIDE THE COUNTY. I SAY YOU ALL, WE, 'CAUSE WE ARE PART OF YOU ALL TOO, BUT IT'S, IT'S RELEASED ALMOST, ISN'T IT? LIKE 70? WOULD IT, AREN'T YOU ALL LIKE 60 70% OF YOUR BUDGET IS FOR THE SCHOOLS OR IS IT ONLY 50%? NO, NO, IT'S, IT IS CLOSE TO 60 OR 70% WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT, IT'S, YEAH, I THINK AT ONE POINT, UH, OUR BUDGET WAS AROUND, UH, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS CLOSE TO, WELL ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION. AND, UH, AND I, THESE ARE VERY ROUND NUMBERS. UH, THE SCHOOL BUDGET WAS ABOUT 75 OF THAT 75 MILLION. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING, LIKE, IS THAT YOU'RE, YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT ABOUT THAT NUMBER. UM, ALL I KNOW IS THERE'S A GREATER IMPACT THAN WHAT THIS NUMBER IS. YEAH. AND LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN'T, I MEAN, CAN'T FAULT A A DEVELOPER'S, NOT NOBODY'S GOING TO GIVE YOU MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. UM, AND WITH EVEN IN, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL AND, YOU KNOW, SITTING AS THE MAYOR, BUT EVEN WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, YOU JUST THINK ABOUT THE LAST FIVE YEARS, I MEAN, AND INFLATION AND WHAT COSTS HAVE GONE UP. OH, YEAH. UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN FIVE YEARS AGO THAT NUMBER WAS OUTDATED, BUT IT'S, AND THAT'S, IT WAS AT LEAST TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO THAT WE WERE TALKING TO THIS DEVELOPER AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS MM-HMM . RIDICULOUSLY LOW THEN. YEAH. IT, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS HETA OR IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T WANT, SAY WHO IT WAS. IT, IT WAS RON HOLMES. OKAY. N-V-R-N-V-R, I'M SORRY. ONE OF THOSE I REACHED OUT TO UM, UH, JOSH LUDWIG, WHO'S OVER ON FREDERICK COUNTY BOARD SUPERVISORS MM-HMM . AND I JUST SAID, HEY, WHAT DO YOU DO? WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO FOR THIS? AND UH, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS EXACT ANSWER, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE WAS OUR NUMBERS WERE WAY TOO LOW. WE NEED TO DO AN UPDATE. AND, UH, PART OF ME THOUGHT ABOUT BENCHMARKING OTHER COUNTIES JUST CALLING AROUND, BUT I MEAN, THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT DYNAMICS AND CIRCUMSTANCES. SO BASED OFF OF YOUR BUDGET. YEAH. SO WHEN THEY REQUEST THESE MM-HMM . UM, THEY'LL REQUEST THE, OUR BUDGET FROM US AND THEN THEY'LL REQUEST, UM, ALL OF YOUR BUDGET DOCUMENTS TOO. BUT THE IMPORTANT THING TOO IS THAT STATE CODE ONE, IT IS ALL VOLUNTARY, BUT THEY ONLY SHOULD HAVE TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF THE STUDENTS THAT ARE ADDITIONAL FROM BY. RIGHT. SO THEN YOU SUBTRACT OUT BY RIGHT. THAT'S WHY WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WE'RE ONLY PUTTING SEVEN EXTRA KIDS IN, IN REALITY, MORE THAN SEVEN KIDS ARE GETTING PUT INTO THESE SCHOOLS. YEAH. BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT TOO IS, I MEAN, ONLY FROM WHAT I'VE LEARNED TOO IS THAT, UM, IT'S THAT INSTRUCTIONAL, UH, CAPACITY. THAT'S THE OTHER PART. LIKE, UM, CERTAIN SCHOOLS HAVE MORE ROOM THAN OTHERS. YEP. MM-HMM . AND SO, RIGHT. AND THAT, LIKE THE LAST THING WE LOOKED AT, NUMBER WISE, THEY WERE BECAUSE LIKE THEY WERE REALLY LIKE TWO OR THREE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS THAT WERE OVER THE CAPACITY. YEAH. AND SO THEN AT THAT POINT, THEY DON'T PROFFER FOR THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE UNDER. SO LIKE YOU'RE GETTING NOTHING FOR MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE THOSE SCHOOLS AREN'T ANYWHERE NEAR THEIR CAPACITY. YEAH. THERE, THAT DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME. YOU STILL HAVE TO HIRE ADDITIONAL TEACHERS EVEN IF THE BUILDING HAS . RIGHT. YEAH. BUT THE REZONINGS ARE THE ONLY CHANCE YOU GET TO GET SOMETHING. YEAH. YEAH. WHEREAS LIKE BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT, YOU JUST GET NOTHING BUT ADDITIONAL COSTS. AND NOT THAT I DON'T, I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT ANYBODY'S LIKE, I'M NOT TRYING TO MILK THE DEVELOPERS BY ANY MEANS WHATSOEVER. I JUST THINK THAT FAIR SHARE. YEAH. JUST YEAH. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, UM, BECAUSE UH, YOU TALK ABOUT FREDERICK COUNTY. OKAY. YEAH. SO I WAS GONNA SAY, BEING BORN AND RAISED HERE AND MY FAMILY WAS FROM FREDERICK COUNTY, LIKE JUST THE WAY THAT'S GROWN OVER THERE AND THE AMOUNT OF SCHOOLS, I MEAN, WHEN I WAS, WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL, JAMES WOOD, , YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND NOW THERE'S JAMES WOOD, MILLBROOK STRAND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DEFINITELY GROWN. UM, AND IS IT REALLY FAIR TO ASK THE CURRENT TAXPAYERS TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF SO MANY EXTRA KIDS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS GONNA BENEFIT FROM FINANCIALLY? RIGHT. SO ANYWAY, JUST WANT, WE JUST FELT LIKE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND TALKED ABOUT IT. [00:10:01] UM, AND JUST REALLY JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP HERE JUST TO SAY WE ARE, ARE WE ON THIS? 'CAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE COMING TO US AND WE CAN'T ASK ANY MORE THAN WHAT, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, EVERY ONE OF THESE APPLICATIONS THAT I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE, THAT WAS ALWAYS A MAJOR CONCERN OF EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER WAS THE, UM, THE FISCAL IMPACT. AND IN SOME CASES IT, YOU KNOW, IT PLAYED HARDY IN THEIR CON IN THEIR DECISION MAKING BECAUSE, SO, UM, AND IT'S ALWAYS GONNA COME BACK WHEN WE RUN THOSE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. IT'S NET POSITIVE FOR THE TOWN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SCHOOLS IN FIRE AND THAT'S, YEAH. SO IT'S PROBABLY GONNA COME BACK IN NEGATIVE FOR THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S ALWAYS GONNA COME BACK POSITIVE FOR US. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE MAKING THEIR DECISIONS OFF OF. IS THE NUMBERS WORKING AND THAT'S LEGALLY WHAT THEY CAN CONSIDER. YEAH. YEAH. WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY YOU PUT A BIG DEVELOPMENT DOWN MARY SHADE LANE IN THE TOWN SIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, WE'D HAVE TO PUT A SCHOOL IN SOMEWHERE , YOU KNOW, SO, SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU HAD ASKED THE, THE, THE, THE COUNSEL, IF YOU WOULD ASK YOUR COUNSEL IF, UH, UH, IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO KIND OF PARTNER WITH THIS ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, SO I JUST WANNA SAY THIS 'CAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY THAT KNOWS ME IN THIS WORLD KNOWS STRAIGHT AND TO THE POINT. ARE YOU SAYING LIKE, PARTNER WITH YOU FINANCIALLY? BECAUSE I'M NOT OKAY. I, I'M NOT, I, WE COULD CERTAINLY GO BACK AND ASK THE COUNCIL, BUT I WILL SAY THAT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE TOWN AND COUNTY CITIZENS. SO THEY BE PAYING AS A TOWN CITIZEN AND PAYING AS A COUNTY CITIZEN. AS LAUREN SAID, THE TOWN, WHENEVER THEY COME TO US, THESE DEVELOPMENTS WE DON'T LIKE, THE DEVELOPERS ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, OH THIS IS GREAT. YOU GUYS ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY MAKE MONEY OFF THE DEAL. BUT HERE I'M LIKE, NOT REALLY. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR THOSE EXTRA STAFF AND EXTRA SCHOOL BUSES AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. I COULD CERTAINLY ASK YOU TO RAISE YOUR HAND. GO AHEAD. SO JUST TO TURN THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT, UHHUH AS TO WHAT I THINK THE BOARD WANTS TO ASK MM-HMM . IS WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING A NEW, TAKING THIS 2003 OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND UP HAVING A NEW STUDY DONE. MM-HMM . IT WOULD BE TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY SERVICES, FIRE AND RESCUE SCHOOLS AND SOCIAL SERVICES, UM, SOLID WASTE WOOD, THE TOWN. AND WE WOULD BE CONTRACTING TO DO THAT. WOULD THE TOWN WANT TO LOOK AT ANY TOWN SERVICES, UH, SUCH AS ROADS, UH, POLICE, WOULD YOU WANT ANY ANALYSIS OF THAT TYPE OF SER A TOWN SERVICE, NOT A COUNTY SERVICE, BUT A TOWN SERVICE INCLUDED IN THE STUDY? OR WOULD SHOULD WE JUST DO THE COUNTY SERVICES? YOU'RE LIKE SAYING AT WHAT POINT DO WE NEED ADDITIONAL LIKE POLICE OFFICERS OR STAFF MM-HMM . BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM . WE UTILITIES EVEN FIGURE INTO THAT. LIKE WATER AND POWER OR WELL, THEY PUT, THEY DO, UH, WATER AND POWER PLAY CERTAINLY PLAY INTO, BUT MOST OF THAT JUST PAYS FOR ITSELF. YEAH. OKAY. IT'S AN ENTERPRISE. UM, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR COVERING THEIR COST OF WATER FOR POWER, FOR SEW. OKAY. AND AS FAR AS LIKE, LIKE STUDIES, I MEAN, I'M JUST, SO IF YOU DON'T NEED IT, THAT'S FINE. WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, I'M JUST, BJ CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE, WE DO STUDIES, LIKE WE HAVE OUR OWN LIKE SOLID WASTE STUDY. UM, SO WASTE WATER, SEWER, ELECTRIC. YEAH. UH, NOT SO MUCH FOR, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHAT I, NEW POLICE OFFICERS NEED IT, BUT SOLID WASTE WE DO. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. AS FAR AS THOSE SERVICES OFFICERS, I'M SORRY, THERE'S A RATIO OF POLICE OFFICERS BY POPULATION, ISN'T IT? YEAH. YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW. I, I MEAN, I CAN CERTAINLY ASK, BUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I'M THINKING THAT WE, NONE OF THE SERVICES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, WILL DI WILL ONLY IMPACT TOWN CITIZENS. THEY WOULD BE THE, THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED, THEY'RE ALREADY COUNTY CITIZENS. SO THEY WOULD THOSE SERVICES, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT. BUT I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING OFF THE TOP OF OUR, I MEAN ROADS YEAH, ROADS MAYBE, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU LIKE, I THINK THAT'S [00:15:01] SOMETHING WE ALWAYS HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TOO. I'VE GOTTA, I'M PUT IT, WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING ON AN RFP FOR A TRANSPORTATION PLAN, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT WILL, THAT WILL SURVEY THE ROADS. RIGHT. BUT IT'S BUT THAT'S THROUGH THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, RIGHT? OR JUST THE TOWN? THE TOWN. IT'S JUST THE TOWN, YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IN THE CORPORATE LEVEL. YEAH. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I WAS THE ONLY STANDING BECAUSE THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE WAS, UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING WITH VDOT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET THEM TO DO. WE HAVE DONE TO WORK ON THE, UM, BDOT AREA FOR THE, UH, EAST WEST CONNECTOR. WE GOT THAT DONE AND THEN THEY DID THAT STAR STUDY. YEAH. AND THAT WAS TOWN AND COUNTY AND THEY UPDATED US AT THAT TRANSPORTATION. OKAY. I MEAN, I WILL ASK, BUT I, THERE ARE NO SERVICES THEN WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT. YEAH. IF THERE ARE ANY THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE, BUT I THINK YOU WOULD NEED DETAILS AS TO WHAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE STUDIED IN THAT TO EVEN ASK COUNSEL WOULD, YOU KNOW, SO WE, I WAS READING THIS AND IT TALKS IN THERE ABOUT THE IMPACT INTO THE TOWN, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, ET CETERA. AND IF THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS OF CONCERN THERE, THEN WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD, UH, AND DO OUR OWN AND THAT'S FINE. THIS IS ONLY AN OFFER IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED. NO, I'M JUST, I'M REALLY, FOR US, THAT WOULD BE LIKE IF THERE'S ENOUGH DEVELOPMENT THAT, UM, ONE OF OUR PUMP STATIONS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT IF IT LIKE KICKED US OVER CAPACITY OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER WOULD BE. BUT ISN'T THAT WHAT WE, I WAS GONNA SAY I WAS, I I JUST KNOW WHEN THEY JUST CAME BACK HERE AND WHENEVER LAST YEAR YEAR, YEAH. THE ONE SEWER WERE YEAH. YEAH. THEY WOULD GIVE US CAPACITY AND THEN THEY WOULD PREDICT LIKE THIS OR AS I RECALL, LIKE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN HANDLE THIS. BUT IF THERE'S GROWTH, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE HAPPY CREEK AREA, THAT'S A PARTICULAR ONE. THAT WAS THE SEWER CONCERN THAT IT WAS, IT WAS NOT GONNA BE LONG BEFORE, WE WEREN'T GONNA HAVE TO HAVE UPGRADES THERE. RIVERTON. SAME WITH THE RIVERTON UPGRADE IN THE PUMP STATION. YES. SO, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT FEES ON THE WATER, UH, PROVIDING A WATER AND SEWER IN THE CORRIDOR TOO. YES. AND IF THE POTENTIAL REZONING WAS GOING TO KICK THAT OVER INSULATION OF THE FAILURE, THEY IN THEORY WOULD WANT TO PROFIT THAT. UM YEAH. TO KIND OF MITIGATE THAT. UM, BUT THAT'S ALL PART OF THE APPLICATION. I CERTAINLY THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LETTING HER LOOK INTO IT. LET BJ THINK ABOUT IT. YEAH. BRING TO COUNSEL. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY IF THERE'S SOME, MAYBE JUST THINK ABOUT, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, THAT YOU THINK, UM, THAT WOULD BENEFIT US BY GOING ALONG WITH IT. OKAY. BECAUSE WHAT'S SCARING ME RIGHT NOW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WITH JUST SOME OF THE BUY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN LAST YEAR WE HAD 60 NEW DWELLING UNITS THAT WE APPROVED WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS, AND THAT WAS MOSTLY INFILL. UM, BUT LIKE WITH THE NEW APARTMENTS AND, AND JUST REZONING WE'RE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON FROSTBURG ROAD, WE'RE LOOKING IN AROUND THE ONE 50 MARK I THINK IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS WHEN THEY START GETTING DEVELOPED AND, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE LOOKING AT A COUPLE HUNDRED UNITS. AND NOW ARE THESE, WHEN YOU SAY UNITS, ARE THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR ARE THEY THEY'RE A MIXTURE. SO WE'RE JUST DWELLING UNITS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT APARTMENTS, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF TOWN HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN COMING AND, AND AND ARE COMING. THAT ARE COMING. YEAH. AND, AND A LOT OF THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ON, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF DUPLEXES AND THOSE WERE JUST ON LOTS THAT WERE A LITTLE BIT LARGER AND THEY'RE LARGER ENOUGH THAT WHEN THEY, THEY FELL OR LIKE SOMETHING BURNS, THEY'RE COMING IN AND SUBDIVIDING IT AND THEN YOU DUPLEX UP. OKAY. BECAUSE FOR SOME OF THESE, THEY JUST NEED EITHER AN R TWO OR R THREE ZONE AND THEN THEY NEED SEVEN TO 8,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, WHICH ISN'T MUCH. YEP. AND THEN WE'RE SEEING THE DENSITY AND IT'S BY RIGHT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT IN THAT DEVELOPMENT MEETING WITH YOUR COUNTY, UH, COUNTERPARTS. THERE IS A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE BOARD COMING. A LOT OF 'EM AS, UH, LAUREN SAID, UH, WELL INVOLVED TOWNHOUSES, UM, UH, DUCK STREET, UM, FOREST HILL BACK IN THERE BEHIND THE NURSING HILL. YEAH. BEHIND HERITAGE HALL. THERE'S GONNA BE, AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL ABOUT RIGHT. SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOTHING TO SAY OR DO. I MEAN, WE WILL GET THE TAP FEES AND, BUT THAT'S IN TOWN AGAIN, THAT'S NOT BLAH. I LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, MY, MY DAUGHTER, MY SON-IN-LAW HAD TO MOVE OVER TO LOURAY 'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T FIND A PLACE THAT WAS AFFORDABLE. OH YEAH. I DROVE UP. UM, WHAT STREET IS THE, UM, STOUTS NEW TOWNHOUSE IS ON IT. NINTH. NINTH. IT'S OVER THERE BY SHENANDOAH. BY THE OLD YEAH, NO, RIGHT, RIGHT OFF [00:20:01] SHANDRA AVENUE. STOUTS BUILT FIVE OR SIX. I MEAN, THEY JUST FISH. THERE'S CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY. YEAH. UM, AND YOU HEAR THIS, I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM AROUND HERE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO HIRE PROFESSIONALS, BRING 'EM IN HERE. AND, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT STEVEN HICKS THE OTHER DAY WHEN HE CAME HERE AND HIS INABILITY TO FIND HOUSING AND WAS LIVING OUTTA TOWN FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. IT'S, UM, TO FIND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR YOUR EMTS, YOUR, UH, YOUR POLICE DEPUTIES, UH, NURSES, I MEAN, UNTIL SOME OF THESE OTHER PROPERTIES COME ONLINE, IT'S GOING TO STAY TIGHT. HOPEFULLY THIS ONE ARE SELLING FOR FOUR 30. YEAH. THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. MINE, UM, GRASSY JEFF, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING WHAT, TWO YEARS PROBABLY BEFORE THAT WOULD EVEN COME ONLINE. AND THAT'S 92, I THINK IT'S 91. THAT'S 92. 90 HOMES, 90 UNITS. SO, AND SOME OF THAT IS, UM, SUBSIDIZED. WE HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT OUT HAPPY CREEK ROAD WITH, UH, HANOCK, LLC AND BY RIGHT. UM, WHAT, 8 8 82 82 HOUSES ABOUT. RIGHT. WE GET NOTHING. YOU GOTTA ESCAPE NOTHING. IS IT 1321 HAPPY CREEK CREEK? F*****G YEAH. THEY OWN, THEY OWN EDA PROPERTY. AND LUCKILY I THINK IT'S LUCKY FOR US IF THEY WANTED TO INCREASE THAT TO 104 OR WE WOULDN'T HAVE GOT ANYTHING OUT OF IT, NOR NOR WOULD THE SCHOOL. SO THERE'S SOMETHING COMING OUTTA THAT. BUT AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO AN OUTDATED, UH, PROPER STATEMENT OR WHATEVER IT IS. SO, UH, WAS IT A GOOD DEAL? UH, FOR 22 MORE HOUSES? WE GOT ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS IN CASH OR RIGHT OF WAY OR PARK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, SO THE THE REASON I WAS CHUCKLING IT WAS BECAUSE ED AND I HAVE A RUNNING JOKE. THE, UH, OUR PROPERTY BACKS RIGHT UP TO THAT, UH, TO THAT PROPERTY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND, UH, AND WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE BOARD, I, I JUST TOLD 'EM, I SAID, WELL, WHATEVER THEY DO, I, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE COMMERCIAL BACK THERE BECAUSE WE, WE LIVED IN A PLACE ONCE WHERE THEY HAD A ALL NIGHT CAR WASH MOVING BEHIND US. AND AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, LIGHTS WERE FLARING SO MUCH THAT YOU PUT THE SHADES DOWN, IT, IT'D STILL COME AROUND THEM. AND SO HE, HE KEPT ON, HE, HE'D LOOK AT ME AND SAY, WELL, I HOPE THEY DON'T PUT THAT CAR WASH IN BACK THERE. . SO, MR. DALEY, UM, IS THERE A TIME THAT YOU, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA HOLD, LIKE YOU SAID, IF WE WANTED TO, I DON'T WANNA HOLD Y'ALL UP WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO START THIS. DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT US TO DISCUSS THIS WITH COUNSEL AND, BECAUSE I'M THINKING THE THIRD, OUR AGENDA'S ALREADY SET THE 10TH, WE COULD ADD IT ON THERE FOR A CONVERSATION IF THERE WAS SOMETHING AND WE COULD LET YOU KNOW AFTER THE 10TH. AND THEN IF IT'S NOW I THINK WE'RE GOOD, THEN YOU ALL CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED AND NOT WAIT AROUND. I JUST, THAT'S GOOD. WELL, IF I HEARD MR. DALEY IT, DEPENDING ON THE BUDGET CYCLE TOO AND BEING ABLE TO RIGHT. BUT AT LEAST KNOWING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR US. IT'S JUST HOW WE WRITE THE SCOPE, THAT'S ALL. YEAH. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THAT? DO WE ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO DO FOR THAT ONE? THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THE NEXT ONE IS REALLY, UM, THIS WAS, THIS WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE ON, OR MAYBE NOT. WE OKAY. I KNOW WHAT IT WAS. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN OCTOBER TWO. JUST SOLID WAYS TO BE FEES IF IS THERE, IS THE, IS THE COUNTY THINKING ABOUT RAISING THOSE? AGAIN, THAT'S JUST REALLY, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT WE, UM, JUST CHANGED OUR FEE FEE STRUCTURE AND WE THOUGHT WE HAD A NUMBER AND THEN WE HAD TO CHANGE IT AFTER YOU GUYS RAISED THE, UM, TIPPING FEES ONE JULY ONE. AND WE ARE JUST REALLY, AS WE'RE IN OUR BUDGET SEASON, I'M SURE Y'ALL ARE TOO, BUT Y'ALL ARE RIGHT. JUST TRYING TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A THING AGAIN. AND THAT WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RAISE. 'CAUSE AS THEY SAID, THEY'RE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. SO OURS ARE DEFINITELY USER BASED. UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN WANNA SAY IF WE HAVE TO. I HOPE WE DON'T. 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH IT RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, NOT MAKING PEOPLE NOT HAPPY WITH US, BUT, WELL, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU TO DATE, WE'RE, WE'RE ABOUT, UH, IT'S ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE WHOLE AS FAR AS THE, UH, UM, THE REVENUE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN VERSUS THE EXPENDITURES. THAT REVENUE'S BEEN ABOUT $1.26 MILLION AND THE EXPENDITURES IS ABOUT, HAVE BEEN ABOUT $2.24 MILLION. SO THE, UH, SO I WAS TALKING WITH ED AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE BUDGET LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT THE BOARD DECIDES ON THIS, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE [00:25:01] GOING TO TRY AND INCREASE THE TIPPING, UH, FEES JUST A LITTLE BIT TO BE ABLE TO COVER SOME OF THIS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A, UH, A LITTLE BIT NUMBER, BOTTOM NUMBER ON THE BUDGET, THAT'S STILL ONE OF THOSE UNKNOWNS. SO YOU'RE NOT SURE. WE'RE NOT SURE. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHEN, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY BY THE TIME YOUR NEW BUDGET STARTS, BUT WHEN DO, WHEN ARE, OR WHEN DO YOU ALL APPROVE YOUR BUDGET? I KNOW LAST YEAR IT WAS LATE INTO JUNE, I MEAN LATE LAST WEEK, BUT IS THAT THE URGENT? ARE YOU, BECAUSE WE USUALLY HAVE, WE'RE APPROVED BY MAY, THE MAY MEETING, RIGHT? APRIL OH, DEFINITELY BY MAY. USUALLY, YEAH. APRIL IS USUALLY WHEN WE APPROVED. WELL, TYPICALLY WE'RE HELD HOSTAGE BY THE, BY THE STATE. SEE WHAT THEIR FUNDING NOW. SO THE, UH, SO I WOULD UH, I WOULD GUESS THAT MAY SOMETIME IN, IN MAY OR JUNE, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. SO WITH THE, UM, THE END OF, UH, MARCH, THE BOARD WILL GET, UH, THE FINAL ASSESSMENTS AND YOU'LL HAVE A NUMBER TO COMPLETE THE ROLLBACK. OKAY. AND THE BOARD, NOT TO SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT THE BOARD HAS INDICATED THAT SINCE THIS IS A REASSESSMENT YEAR, THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT LEVEL REVENUE TAXES THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO INCREASE, UH, ANYTHING. AND SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THE SANITATION AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO INCREASE THERE. AND WHAT THAT IS AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW. YEAH. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, SOME PLACE APRIL AND AFTER WE GET TOTALLY WHAT THE BOARD'S GONNA DECIDE WITH SCHOOLS, THAT'S A BIG DRIVER AND WE'LL BUDGET AND, UH, THEN WE, WE'LL KNOW WE PROBABLY DON'T ADOPT THE BUDGET UNTIL THE FIRST, LIKE THE FIRST WEEK OF MAY. SO IT'S, UH, SO, SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU, IF YOU EXTEND OUT WHAT THE EXPENDITURES HAVE BEEN VERSUS REVENUES WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND, AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT A $1.9 MILLION SHORTFALL OVERALL. UH, OVERALL, YES. BUT YOU'RE SAYING 1.1 MILLION OF IT IS IN THE SOLID WASTE? NO, NO, THEY, NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS IS IN SOLID WASTE. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, BECAUSE JULY THROUGH DECEMBER, IT WAS ABOUT A, UH, UH, ABOUT A, A $1 MILLION, UH, SHORTFALL. IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU EXTEND THIS OUT THROUGH THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT $1.9 MILLION SHORTFALL IN TRASH ALONE. YEAH. IN, IN, AND SOLID, IN SOLID WASTE IN THE DISPOSAL. WOW. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EXPENSIVE SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE. WE KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE, BECAUSE FROM OUR TAX FEES. YEAH. I MEAN, OUR TRASH FEES, WE GET IT. BELIEVE ME, WE JUST RAISED OURS QUITE A BIT. UM, OKAY. AND, AND JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, PART OF THAT IS IF WE HAVE TO RAISE OUR RATES AGAIN, UM, WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT. AND SO LIKE THIS PAST YEAR, BECAUSE WE WERE SO LATE FINDING OUT WE WERE IN THE HOLE FOR AT LEAST THE FIRST TWO MONTHS, RIGHT. OH, UNTIL OCTOBER. YEAH. OKAY. SO, SO YEAH, WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN BACK TO GOTTEN BACK FLUSH YET, HAVE WE? IT'S JANUARY. UM, ALL RIGHT. WELL, I HATE TO GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, BAD NEWS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S JUST, UH, YEAH. IT'S, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF IT. RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT TOPIC? I WAS GONNA SAY, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, UM, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, DO YOU ALL EVER DO STUDIES ON THAT EITHER? LIKE WE, LIKE WHEN WE, LIKE WE DID A STUDY ON IT AND IT TALKED, LIKE THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT OUT OF IT, MULTIPLE DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT LIKE REALLY DRILLING DOWN AT OUR DIFFERENT SERVICES AND WHAT WE PROVIDE AND LIKE, WE FOUND OUT, UM, LIKE WHAT RECYCLING COSTS US PER HOUSE AND WHAT, UM, SO WE ALL, WE ALSO OFFER, UM, I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY CALL NOW, WHITE GOODS IS WHAT THEY USED TO CALL IT, BUT LIKE ONCE A YEAR METAL COLLECTION. YEAH. WHAT DID IT SAY? UH, PICK METAL COLLECTION. YEAH. THE FREE PICKUPS. WE DO, SO WE DO ONE, WE DO ONE FREE PICKUP A YEAR, AND THEN AFTER THAT IT'S LIKE $50. SO I'M NOT SAYING EVERYBODY USED, LIKE I'VE NEVER USED IT, BUT, BUT IT'S AVAILABLE SO THAT, UM, THE YARD WASTE MM-HMM . UM, THERE'S THE FARM, I'M SORRY, THE FARM. YES. YES. SO YES, PROVIDING THAT TOO. SO THE OFF MANAS AVENUE. BUT SO WHEN THEY DID THIS, UM, STUDY FOR [00:30:01] US, THEY LOOKED AT EACH, UM, ITEM OR EACH SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS YOU. AND, UM, AND NOT TO BORE YOU ALL WITH IT, BUT I THINK YOU'LL FIND A LITTLE BIT INTERESTING. BUT YOU, YOUR TOWN TOO, YOU'RE, OR YOU'RE NOT TOWN COUNTY, RIGHT? JUST RIGHT UP THERE. JUST US. UM, BUT LIKE ONE OF THE OTHER SERVICES WE PROVIDE IS DOOR TO DOOR FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIKE MEDICAL CONDITIONS THAT CAN'T GET THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN'T GET THEIR CAN TO THE STREET OR WHATEVER, AND THEY GET CHARGED. UM, LIKE WE WERE CHARGING THEM LIKE $5 EXTRA AND NOW IT'S 20, I THINK IT'S 20, ALMOST 25. YEAH. 25. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT EXPRESSED FRUSTRATION, UNDERSTANDABLY. SO WHEN YOU'RE, IT IS UP, BUT THEN THEY, THEN I HAD OTHER PEOPLE REFLECT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? BUT IF I HAD TO PAY SOMEBODY TO COME BY AND PICK UP MY TRASH, UM, INSTEAD OF YOUR GUYS GOING YEAH. GETTING THE CANNED, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE FAMILY OR FRIENDS OR NEIGHBORS OR WHATEVER. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU ALL, HAVE THEY EVER DONE ANY KIND OF STUDY WITH YOUR, UM, SOLID WEIGHT, LIKE, JUST TO SEE? WELL, THE, THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE GOT IS THAT WE'RE PAYING PAGE COUNTY. RIGHT. NO, I KNOW. AND SO THE, FOR, FOR US TO DO A STUDY ON THIS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, FOR US TO DO A STUDY ON THIS, WE'D BE TAKING A LOOK AT SOMEBODY'S, SOMEBODY ELSE'S OPERATION. MM. PART OF IT IS WHAT, WHAT ARE THEIR FEES GONNA BE? RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT IMPACTS YOU. THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING OUR, YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GOTTA BUY A NEW LOADER FOR THE TRANSFER STATION MM-HMM . BUT WHAT PAGE YOU GONNA CHARGE NEXT YEAR? AND THEY'RE PUTTING, THEY'RE PUTTING NEW REQUIREMENTS TOO THAT MAKE, MAKE IT SO THAT WE NEED TO MORE CAREFULLY SEPARATE HOUSEHOLD WASTE FROM COMMERCIAL WASTE AND NEW, UH, NEW RISK SHARING, WHICH BITES US WITH COSTS IF LIKE THEIR EQUIPMENT GETS DAMAGED, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO ALL, ALL OF THIS IS IN THE MIX, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING, TRYING TO BLAME US, YOU KNOW? AND, AND WEDNESDAY'S THE, WHAT'S THE DAY THAT THERE IS THAT YOU'RE NOT OPEN? IS IT? WE WEDNESDAY THEY'RE NOT OPEN EXCEPT FOR BENTONVILLE. YEAH. BUT WEDNESDAYS, WEDNESDAY, THE COLLECTION SITES ARE CLOSED AND ONLY A COUPLE HOLIDAYS. I KNOW THAT. OR IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE JUST TWO DAYS. AND THEN WHEN YOU ARE CLOSED, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. YEAH. THE NEXT TIME I SEE ONE OUT OF RIVERTON. AND SAME THING, RECYCLING TOO. YOU UM, THAT GOES TO A DIFFERENT PLACE THOUGH, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. WE, WE ACTUALLY LOSE MONEY ON THAT TOO. , WE, WE DO AS WELL. UM, SAME, SAME. SO, SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT TAKING A, MY SON HAS AN OLD BIKE THAT I WANT TO GET RID OF, AND SO I WAS GONNA TAKE IT DOWN TO THE DUMP AND IT WAS WEDNESDAY. AND I GO, DO I WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY TO BENTONVILLE? NO, JUST WAIT. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. I, UM, I'M GONNA WRITE DOWN THIS PAGE COUNTY. 'CAUSE THAT'S, AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT LOSE MONEY ON RECYCLING. 'CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL THAT WAY, BUT LIKE, I ALWAYS THINK THOUGH, BUT IF THEY WEREN'T RECYCLING, IT'D BE GOING TO MUCH, THEN YOU, IT'D BE GOING TO THE LANDFILL, WHICH WOULD, YOU'RE TIPPING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, YOUR FEES ARE GONNA GO. AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND THOUGH, OUR, DOES OUR RECYCLING. 'CAUSE I, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR RECYCLING ISN'T REALLY BEING RECYCLED ANYMORE. IS IT ALUMINUM? THAT'S THE METAL IS A GOOD THING. IT'S A MONEY GENERATOR, GLASS PAPER. AND THE PLASTIC AND THAT OR, AND THE GLASS, EVEN THE GLASS ARE LOSING PROCESS. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T TAKE GLASS ANYMORE. RIGHT. WE, WE WERE PAYING THEM TO TAKE THE GLASS. YEAH. WHAT I MEANT BY THAT IS, IS THAT IT WOULD BE MORE TRASH BAGS. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. MM-HMM. YEAH. WAIT, I, I, I'M A BIG TIME RECYCLER AT MY HOUSE. YEAH. AND IT'S A FIGHT WITH OTHER PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN MY HOUSE. MM-HMM. AND, BUT WHEN I SAID, DOES MY SON LIVE AT ? SO, UM, AND, AND I, ONE DAY I SAID, FINE, FORGET IT. WE WON'T DO IT. AND AFTER ABOUT THREE WEEKS, EVERY DAY WE HAD A TRASH BAG THAT HAD TO BE CARRIED DOWN TO THE GARAGE FIRST. OH, WOW. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE THAT STUFF, WHEN YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE NOT RECYCLING TRASH. YEAH. WHEN YOU'RE NOT RECYCLING, IT'S GOING IN THE TRASH. THAT'S THE ONLY THING. THAT WAS MY LOGIC. I KEPT, I SAID, OKAY, WELL Y'ALL WANT TO QUICK COMPLAIN ABOUT CARRYING THE TRASH BAGS TO THE, TO THE GARAGE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE'RE SO, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT'S, TONIGHT'S RECYCLING NIGHTS TAKE IT OUT AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT ANYMORE. SOMEBODY ELSE TAKES IT OUT . YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. IT WAS MADE A POINT. IT WORKED. IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU, THAT YOU MENTIONED THIS BECAUSE THE, UH, NOW I I, I JUST ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT, UH, UH, A HOUSEHOLD, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE, WOULD GENERATE X AMOUNT OF TRASH. AND THEN I NOTICED AS MY DAUGHTERS, AS THEY AS, AS THEY LEFT HOME, THE AMOUNT JUST DECREASED AND DECREASED. AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. OH MY GOODNESS. I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH TRASH THAT EACH PERSON GENERATES. YEP. YEP. SHOULD HAVE YOUR KIDS LIVE WITH YOU WITH TWO, UH, YOUNG CHILDREN [00:35:01] AND DIAPERS AND STUFF. I MEAN, FILL THAT CAN UP PRETTY QUICK. I, I CAN IMAGINE. AND THEY MOVED OUT AND ONE OR TWO BAGS. YEAH. IT'S AMAZING. I JUST TOLD MY, MY SON'S 18 AND I JUST LOOKED AT HIM AND I SAID, NOW I JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO BE LIVING IN MY BASEMENT WHEN YOU'RE 35. YOU UNDERSTAND? AND HE SAID, YEAH, DAD, ODDS ARE HE'S GONNA GO OUT AND COME BACK AGAIN. I'M JUST TELLING HIM MY EXPERIENCE. ANYWAY, THE NUMBER FOUR WAS ACTUALLY THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE. AND I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE HAD A MEETING SINCE, UH, SINCE OCTOBER, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, OCTOBER, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER. THIS IS HERE. RIGHT. BUT I, UM, YEAH, JOHN'S ON THE COMMITTEE. YEAH, I'M ON IT TOO. OH, YOU ARE. I'M SO SORRY. WE DIDN'T HAVE, MAYBE THAT'S WHY WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF AN UPDATE LAST TIME. THERE WERE NOT, I RECALL WE WERE MISSING SOME PEOPLE AS WELL. UM, AND UH, THE ONE THING THAT'S OF KEEN INTEREST TO ME, UH, IS NOT REALLY IN THE TOWN, BUT IT'S THE EMERGENCY EXIT ON AT SIX SIX, WHICH AFFECTS THE TOWN BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE BEHIND THE TRACKS ARE IN THE TOWN BOUNDARY. YES. I GUESS, UM, THAT'S STILL KIND OF TIED UP AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL MM-HMM . BUT WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO LOOK AT IT. UM, A FRIEND OF MINE JUST WAS APPOINTED TO DOT AND SO I'M TRYING TO, HE'S GONNA GET ME A CONTACT TO, TO MAYBE AT LEAST LOOK AT OUR FILE SO IT'S NOT LOST IN, IN THE MIX SOMEWHERE. WE'LL SEE. YEAH. AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE, UM, OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE WAS, UH, TRYING TO CARRY A BILL FOR US ABOUT ROAD IMPACT FEES. IT'S LONG STORY SHORT, BUT UM, RIGHT NOW THE CODE SAYS IF YOU ARE AT 20,000 AND A PERCENTAGE OF GROWTH RATE THAT YOU CAN REQUEST ROAD IMPACT FEES. AND SO WE WERE ASKING TO REDUCE IT TO 15,000 'CAUSE THE TOWN'S JUST OVER 15,000. UM, AND THAT WAS ONE OF MY ARGUMENTS WHEN I WROTE IN TO, UM, BEFORE THE COMMITTEE, WAS THAT VERY SAME THING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR ROAD, THE MILLIONS AT ALL COST. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE WERE SAYING IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME, THE ABILITY TO POSSIBLY TRY TO GET SOME DOLLARS, UM, FROM DEVELOPERS. BUT I BELIEVE IT GOT TABLED. AND SO I DON'T, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE YET. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN UPDATE ON WHAT THAT WAS, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE, WE HAVE STILL, WE'VE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL TO GET AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ONE TO 66. SO, BUT I'M GLAD YOU YOU'RE STILL TRYING. 'CAUSE THAT WAS, YEAH, I MEAN I'M, I'M HOPEFUL HOPING IT'S, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME TO GET TO GET IT APPROVED. 'CAUSE IT'S A NO BRAINER REALLY. BUT, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE IT, YES. WHEN THE COUNCIL TALKS ABOUT THIS, UH, STUDY WE'RE GOING TO DO, MA'AM, THE ROAD IMPACT FEE IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET ACROSS. IS DOES THE TOWN WANT THIS CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT SUCH THINGS AS THE ROAD IMPACT FEE WITH A NEW DEVELOPMENT? OKAY. BUT WHAT I WAS JUST SAYING IS ALL I DON'T THINK WE CAN YEAH. I DON'T THINK BY STATE CODE RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T ASK FOR IT. THAT'S BECAUSE THE STATE CODE SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE A 20,000, UM, 20,000 OR HIGHER AND A 5% GROWTH RATE. UM, AND WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING AND WHAT DELEGATE OATS, UM, WROTE WAS TO LOWER ITS 15,000 WITH NO GROWTH. LIKE RIGHT NOW, THE TOWN'S IN LIKE A TWO TO 4%. WE USUALLY ARE LESS THAN TWO. I MEAN, WHEN LAUREN SAYS LIKE, IT'S PICKING UP. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW. I'M, I I GUESS MY QUESTION, MY ANSWER TO YOU IS I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WOULD EVEN IF WE DID THE STUDY AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, THIS IS THE AMOUNT THAT YOU SHOULD ASK. I DON'T NOW. THEY WERE, YEAH. THEY TABLED IT AND THEY WERE GOING TO THEY TABLE. I WATCHED IT, THEY TABLED IT AND THEY WERE GONNA DISCUSS IT AFTERWARDS. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THEY MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SOLUTION, BUT I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIND OUT YET. BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER TOWN IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA THAT, THAT IT FALLS IN THIS SAME, SO WE'RE A LITTLE OVER 15,000. UH, VIENNA IS A LITTLE OVER 16,000 I THINK, OR THEY WERE THE LAST CENSUS. AND THAT'S IT. EVERYBODY ELSE IS SMALLER. BELIEVE IT OR NOT. BRENT ROYAL IS THE SEVENTH SMALL, SEVENTH LARGEST TOWN IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S TRUE. I REALLY YOU ABSOLUTE THE SAME COURT TO, AND I'M LIKE, WHOA. NO, I KNOW MY BROTHER OVER. I KNOW, I KNOW. NO, BUT, BUT HERE'S THE THING WITH VIENNA, THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE SAME, THEY'RE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT. I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH VIENNA'S NOT DEVELOPED YET. DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? YEAH. HOUSES ON EVERYTHING. [00:40:01] YEAH. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW. WE'LL, WE'LL, I WILL MENTION THAT TO THEM, BUT LIKE I SAID, IF WE CAN'T REALLY ASK FOR IT ANYWAY. YEAH. I WISH WE COULD. YEAH. YEAH. WE WANT TO. YEAH, WE WANT TO. WE WANTED TO. SO WE'LL MAYBE THERE, SO THEN, SO THEN, ARE THEY, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE, UH, WITHIN THE STATE, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TOWNS AND CITIES, SO WOULD WE, ARE, ARE WE KIND OF LIKE IN THAT GROUP, TOWNS AND CITIES OR, SO SO YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE THE SEVENTH LARGEST MUNICIPALITY TOWN, TOWN, SEVENTH LARGEST TOWN. YES. TOWN. AND, AND LIKE HERNDONS BIGGER THAN I, I I, I, I ACTUALLY USED TO KNOW WHICH THEY WERE BECAUSE I WAS ALWAYS HAVING TO GIVE OKAY. SPEECHES IN IT. AND HERNDON WAS ONE, MAYBE LEESBURG, UM, THERE. YEAH, I I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS CHARLOTTES, IT, IT WAS WELL KNOWN PLACES THAT I WAS LIKE, WOW, WE'RE NOT THAT FAR THAT BIG, UH, TOWN DOWN THERE WITH THAT OTHER COLLEGE IN RIDGEWATER, BLACKSBURG, I OH, THAT, THAT LITTLE SCHOOL, THAT OTHER SCHOOL. BUT WE, WE WERE THE SEVENTH LARGEST TOWN STATE OF VIRGINIA. AND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, ONCE YOU BECOME A CITY, WHAT, WHAT CLASSIFIES WHAT THRESHOLD DO YOU HAVE TO MEET TODAY? IT CITY'S LIKE A COUNTY. YOU HAVE, UM, CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. REALLY? I LIVED FOR 10 YEARS IN MARTINSVILLE. AND IT'S THE SAME SIZE AS RIGHT. WE'RE ALL ABOUT RIGHT AROUND 13, 14,000 IN, IN THE CENTER OF HENRY COUNTY. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SCHOOL SYSTEM. FIRE RESCUE POLICE. THEY DID PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY ON SOCIAL SERVICES. UM, AND, AND TWO OR THREE OTHER THINGS WHERE THERE WERE SIMILARITIES OR SYNERGIES KIND OF LIKE, UH, I GUESS WINCHESTER, FREDERICK COUNTY WITH THE JOINT, UM, JUDICIAL CENTER, THEY, THEY DO PROJECTS TOGETHER. RIGHT. THEY'RE INDEPENDENT CITIES. RIGHT. THEY ARE. RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING SOMETIMES THEY CHOOSE TO, THE TWO JURISDICTIONS WILL CHOOSE TO PARTNER. BUT CHIEF, GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION. THE MINIMUM QUAL MINIMUM POPULATION FOR A CITY IS 5,000 AT CURRENT. YEAH. I WAS GONNA SAY WHEN YOU SAID THAT ABOUT THE CITY, BECAUSE THAT, UM, I USED HAVE TO TEACH VIRGINIA STUDIES, WHICH WAS A WHOLE BIG THING ON GOVERNMENT. BELIEVE IT OR NOT. IT'S, WE, WE WOULD QUALIFY POPULATION WISE FOR A CITY. BUT YOU AS, AS COUNCILMAN WOOD SAID, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE, UM, NOT BIGGEST, BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE'D HAVE TO HAVE OUR OWN SCHOOL SYSTEM. MM-HMM . I KNOW YOU WOULD LOVE THAT. YOU WOULD LOVE THAT YOU ONLY HAVE A JOINT SCHOOL SYSTEM. WELL, LIKE QUEENSBURG. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S TRUE. AND, UM, YEAH, I FORGET ONE OF 'EM DOWN IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA WHO COMBINED, UM, A COUPLE OF 'EM HAVE DONE THIS. BRI STILL COMBINED. I, I DON'T KNOW. THEY'RE DOWN THERE OFF TO THE RIGHT UP TOWARDS MOUNT RANGE. I CAN'T REMEMBER NOR NORTON, MAYBE TON. I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. ONE OF THOSE DOWN IN THAT CORNER. YEAH. YEAH. I USED TO LIVE IN, IN LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY. MM-HMM . LEXINGTON. AND, UH, FAYETTE COUNTY, IT'S A, IT'S CALLED A CITY COUNTY URBAN GOVERNMENT IN THE, IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ARE ONE MM-HMM . SO THERE, SO THERE'S NO COUNTY AND CITY GOVERNMENT. IT'S JUST ONE. I MEAN, PEOPLE WOULD, THERE WAS A MOVEMENT IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES HERE TO COMBINE THE TWO. BUT, UH, THE OPPONENT SAID, WELL, WE'LL BE PUTTING SIDEWALKS OUT TO BENTON BUILDINGS. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL TAKING, LOOK AT , YOU KNOW, OUT BY YOUR HOUSE, MS. COLORS. UM, I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT FOR THE SIZE OF OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SMALLEST COUNTIES AND THE TOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE SYNERGIES. YOU WOULDN'T NEED TWO FINANCES AND TWO TOWN OR ADMINISTRATOR AND A TOWN MANAGER THERE. THERE'S SOME SAVINGS, SOME SYNERGY THERE, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE ROLE OF THE PEOPLE. AND, BUT SO FAR HARRISONBURG IS AN INDEPENDENT CITY. RIGHT. BUT THEY HAVE CONSOLIDATED THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. NOW THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THE TREASURER AND THE COMMISSIONER ARE SEPARATE, BUT THE COURT OFFICERS, THE SHERIFF, THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY IN THAT, THEY ARE COMBINED WITH ROCKINGHAM COUNTY, WITH ROCKINGHAM. INTERESTING, INTERESTING. SO THAT THEY, I MEAN THEY CONSOLIDATE. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I MEAN, THERE'S DUPLICATION, OBVIOUSLY YOU GOTTA HAVE TWO FINANCE DEPARTMENTS, TWO HR DEPARTMENTS TOO CITY. AND IT MAKES SENSE. SAME CITY'S A CONSOLIDATE, EXCUSE ME, JAMES CITY'S A CONSOLIDATED SCHOOL SYSTEM WITH WILLIAMSBURG, ISN'T IT, MA'AM? I, I THINK SO. I CANNOT, COULD BE. I COULDN'T TELL YOU. I THINK THEY ARE. UM, [00:45:01] SO WHAT WOULD IT WOULD BE, WILL WILLIAMSBURG CITY SCHOOLS? I'M TRYING TO THINK. I JAMES CITY COMBINED CITIES HAVE REVERTED BACK. UH, MARTINSVILLE WAS GOING TO DO THAT WHEN I WAS STILL THERE. AND THEN THE FLAVOR CHANGED AND THEY REMAINED THE CITY, THEY STOPPED PURSUING IT. SO SOME PEOPLE GET VERY CONFUSED TOO ABOUT THE TOWN AND COUNT. I, I'M JUST SAYING HERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, LIKE EVEN ON ELECTION DAY, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN I DON'T GET TO VOTE IN FRONT ROYAL? I'M LIKE, WELL, YOU DON'T LIVE IN FRONT ROYAL. AND IT CAN, IT'S CONFUSING BECAUSE THEY, THEY SEE THIS TOWN AS THEIR TOWN. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT, UM, SO THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE ON OUR AGENDAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU ALL FEEL LIKE NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP AT THIS TIME? I CAN'T. ANYTHING. AND YOU'RE GOOD. I'M GOOD. AND SO WE WILL GET BACK TOGETHER IN APRIL. UM, YEAH. AND, UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME KIND OF A WATER REPORT SOON. YEAH. MONDAY. YEAH, MONDAY. I THINK MONDAY IS, YES. SO, UM, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS HEAR ABOUT TOO. AND YOU READ MANY TIMES PEOPLE THINK THE COUNTY PROVIDES SOME WATER AND THE COUNTY AT FAULT FOR THIS. YOU KNOW, THE BLAME GAMES GET, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE OPERA AT TIMES. SO IS THAT WATER REPORT JUST ABOUT MCKAY OR IS IT ABOUT OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL? IT, I KNOW WE'RE DISCUSSING ALTERNATIVES. UH, SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, PRESENTING, UH, MCKAY'S, UH, THE PRIMARY ONE THAT WE BE REVIEW, BUT WE HAVE OTHER ONES. OKAY. UH, OTHER OPTIONS, UH, THAT WE'LL BE PRESENTING TO SEE IF WE WANNA EXPLORE THOSE. OKAY. SO ARE, ARE YOU ON, UM, WELL, OR ARE YOU ON CITY ONE? I'M ON. WELL, WELL, OKAY. YOU KNOW, UM, ALSO IN OCTOBER, THIS WAS SOMETHING WE BROUGHT UP AND I DON'T THINK WE EVER CAME TO A CONCLUSION. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A CONCLUSION, BUT I DID WANNA BRING IT UP AGAIN. NOW, GRANTED WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SNOW AND WE'RE HOPING THE GROUNDWATER LEVELS ARE DIFFERENT LIKE THAT. WE, I WOULDN'T CARE IF WE HAD A LITTLE, LITTLE MORE SO WE CAN, UM, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT IN OCTOBER, UM, WHEN WE ARE ON A WATER CONSERVATION, LIKE HOW TO, UM, HOW THAT CAN BE ENFORCED IN THE COUNTY. I, I, I DON'T, WERE YOU ME? I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SURE. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO THE TWO PEOPLE WERE. IT WAS COLORS AND SOMEBODY ELSE. RICH. IT WAS, WAS IT RICH? IT WAS RICH. SO WHAT WE HAD BROUGHT UP THEN WAS THAT, SO LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE ON MANDATORY MANDATORY WATER, UM, RESTRICTION THAT CUSTOMERS IN THE CORRIDOR WERE NOT NECESSARILY FOLLOWING IT VERSUS LIKE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE TOWN. AND BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION, WE COULDN'T ENFORCE IT, BUT YET IT WAS OUR, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HEARD ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT WAS, SO THAT'S STILL KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S STILL IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND. LIKE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT, HOW YEAH. HOW TO ADDRESS THAT OR HOW TO, SO HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR COMMERCIAL? I MEAN, WHAT, LIKE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT TYPES OF VIOLATIONS WERE THEY LIKE RUNNING SPRINKLERS ON THEIR LANDSCAPING OR WHAT, UH, POWER WASHING IN THE DRIVEWAY. UM, THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF WATER CONSERVATION. YEAH. YEAH. AND RESTAURANT, THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS, LIKE THEY CAN SERVE WATER IF THEY'RE ASKED. THERE, THERE ARE THINGS LIKE FOR RESTAURANTS, NOT NECESSARILY JUST THE, BUT OTHER COMMERCIALS. BUT, UM, NOW CAR WASHES THAT WAS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY RECYCLED THEIR OWN WATER. BUT ANYWAY, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, LAST SUMMER, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE RESTRICTED. THEY START TO NOTICE WHO'S NOT . MM-HMM . RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU HAVE HANSEL STONE AT THE END OF V STREET AND YOU HAVE BLUE RED SHADOWS TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY, BUT ARE ON TOWN WATER AND SEWER. AND THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT ON OUR PART. YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE GOT INTO EMERGENCY, WE'VE NEVER SEEN THAT. BUT, UH, I JUST DON'T KNOW. JUST DON'T KNOW. BUT ACTUALLY THE SUMMER WE WERE ON EMERGENCY, RIGHT. I THOUGHT FOR A SHORT PERIOD. I BELIEVE WE NOT THIS SUMMER. IT WAS, WAS IT THIS SUMMER OR THE SUMMER BEFORE? MAYBE TWO WEEKS. I KNOW IT WAS A SMALL THINK IT WAS THIS, THIS SUMMER, I THINK. YEAH. I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT WAS A SMALL TIME PERIOD AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME IN LIKE OVER A HUNDRED. IT WAS LIKE, YEAH, IT LIKE 1940 OR SOMETHING. IT WAS LIKE SOMETHING THAT IT NOT, WE'D NEVER GOTTEN THAT LOW, BUT THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS THAT WHEN YOU GET THAT LOW, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT AGAIN, IT, IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT A COUNCIL MEETING AND, AND WE BROUGHT IT UP AT THE LIAISON. WE DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW A SOLUTION TO THAT. [00:50:01] HOW ABOUT, UM, PASSIVE SOLUTIONS? I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE LIKE SIGNAGE, UH, THERE PLENTY OF SIGNAGE GOING INTO THE TOWN, BUT WERE THERE SIGNAGE THAT WOULD CATCH PEOPLE GOING INTO THE SHADOWS? YOU KNOW, JUST TO REMIND THEM THAT THEY'RE UNDER THAT SAME RESTRICTION TOO. YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T GOING INTO PENCIL STONE AND I DOUBT IT THAT IT'S GOING INTO BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS. JUST EVEN A COUPLE SIGNS MIGHT HELP, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT. UH, BUT THAT DOESN'T GET YOUR COMMERCIAL QUALITY. YEAH. BUT COMMERCIAL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO PICK UP ON THAT STUFF AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO, TO DROP INTO A BUSINESS. BUT AGAIN, LIKE WE SAID, LIKE WHO'S DOING THAT? 'CAUSE WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD INCREASE THE RATES ON COMMERCIAL AND IT'S, WHEN IT'S A SURCHARGE, THEY HAVING A, A SURCHARGE ON COMMERCIAL WHEN THERE'S A WATER RESTRICTION. AND THEN IF THEY USE IT, THEY PAY. BUT THAT IS A, THAT'S, THAT IS A THOUGHT THOUGH. LIKE YOU SAID, THE SIGNS, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE USE THE TRAVEL, WE USE THE TRAVEL SIGNS, AND THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH, WE ONLY HAVE TWO, AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT 'EM GOING . WELL, BUT WE WE HAVE SOME FIXED SIGNS THOUGH OUT TOO. WE UNDER THAT'S TRUE. WE'RE UNDER THE VOLUNTARY WATER. BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD PUT FIXED SIGNS OUT AT BLUE RIDGE. THAT'S WHAT I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW. I SAYING YEAH, MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. RIGHT OF WAY MAY BE A QUESTION. WE CAN'T REALLY, UM, COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A PLACE THAT, FROM WHAT THE ATTORNEY TOLD US, THAT WE, WHERE WE CAN ENFORCE IT PER SE, BUT WE CAN'T PUT SIGN EACH OUT THERE. RIGHT. AND JUST TO REMIND THEM ALL NICE RED FLASHER THAT, UH, BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, RIGHT? YEAH. A LOT OF TIMES PEER PRESSURE CAN, YOU KNOW. YEAH. WELL THAT'S JUST A, AND UM, YOU KNOW, A SIMPLE THING, DON'T WASH YOUR CAR. I MEAN, SO WE DON'T WASH OUR CARS AND YOU GO OUT TO BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS AND THEY'RE WASHING THE CARS AND WATERING THE LAWNS AND YEAH. AND THERE WERE CERTAIN TIMEFRAMES TOO. IT WAS LIKE, YEAH, DON'T, DON'T DO IT BETWEEN THIS TIME OF THE DAY AND THIS TIME OF, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS THE KIND OF, BECAUSE THE FIRST ONE WAS VOLUNTARY, THEN IT'S MANDATORY, THEN IT'S EMERGENCY AND THEY EACH HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OR WHATEVER. BUT IT, BUT IT IS HARD. IT, IT IS HARD TO ADJUST TO TOO, TO THINK ABOUT IT. I KNOW, I, I, WELL, MY WIFE IS A MASTER GARDENER AND UH, SHE COULD NOT WAIT UNTIL THE, UNTIL THE, UNTIL THAT WAS OVER RESTRICTION AND AUGUSTLY, SHE GOT WATER. OH YEAH. SHE, SHE WAS JUST, UH, SHE SAID, OH, WELL ALL, ALL MY PLANTS ARE DYING. AND, AND, AND I SAID, WELL, THAT'S NO PROBLEM, SIR. SHE COULD HAVE HAD YOU OUT THERE TWO IN THE MORNING, WE'RE ALLOWED BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND YOU GO OR SOMETHING. DON'T TELL ME THAT. BECAUSE SHE WOULD HAVE ME OUT THERE. THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF OTHER IDEAS TOO. THE PEOPLE WERE, THAT I THOUGHT WERE INTERESTED LIKE PUTTING LIKE A BUCKET OR SOMETHING LIKE IN YOUR SHOWER AND YOU'RE COLLECTING THAT WATER AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH WATER IN A SHOWER YOU'RE CATCHING A BOTTLE. YEAH. IT WAS INTERESTING. SO, ALL RIGHT, WELL IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, UM, THE NEXT MEETING IS THURSDAY, APRIL 17TH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS, I, I'M ALMOST . THAT'S THE NIGHT BEFORE. GOOD FRIDAY THINKING. IT IS, IS IT? OKAY. GLAD TO KNOW THAT. JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, UM, IF THAT CONCERNS ANYBODY, BUT IF IT DOES, UM, LET US KNOW. 'CAUSE WE CAN, WE CAN ADJUST LIKE WE DID TONIGHT DAY BEFORE. IS IT? THAT'S WHAT I, I WAS THINKING THAT FRIDAY'S DAY. YEAH, I HAVE, UM, YEAH, GOOD. FRIDAY'S DAY, THAT'S THE WEEK OF SPRING BREAK. THAT'S THE WEEK OF OUR SPRING BREAK. DO YOU WANNA TAKE IT A WEEK EARLIER OR AFTER? NO, NO, I DON'T GO ANYWHERE ON SPRING BREAK ANYWAY, . UM, BUT UM, BUT YEAH, I WAS JUST THINKING, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT AFFECT ANYBODY ELSE THAT MIGHT BE GOING AWAY FOR THEIR, I GUESS DEPENDS ON WHO'S REPRESENTING NEXT TIME, BUT SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT BE GOING AWAY. BUT, UM, ANYWAY, MS. PRESLEY FOR THE 17TH, THEN WE WOULD NEED, UM, WE WOULD NEED AGENDA ITEMS BY PROBABLY I WOULD SAY WHAT, LIKE THE THIRD, FOURTH OR WHATEVER IF YOU WANT. IT'S THE WEEK BEFORE. SO IT'S THE WEEK BEFORE, LIKE THE 10TH. AND THEY, WELL, THE, THE COUNTY WILL BE DOING IT AGAIN. OH YEAH. WE'LL SEND YOU OUR IDEA. ZACH WILL BE DOING IT. SORRY. ARE WE, ARE WE HOSTING IT THEN TOO OR IS IT HERE? NOPE, IT'S THERE. WE CHANGED EVERY OTHER MEETING. WE'LL BE BACK AGAIN IN JULY. SO THESE, THE TWO LARGEST TOWNS IN VIRGINIA ARE BLACKSBURG AND LEESBURG, RIGHT? BLACKBURG NOT LARGE, IS IT? YEAH. BLACKSBURG IS 40 SOMETHING. IS IT REALLY? YEAH, IT'S 40 SOMETHING. I KNOW LEESBURG WAS IN ONE OF THOSE. I KNOW LEESBURG WAS IN THE TOP SEVEN. THEN THEY'VE GOT FERN IN. UM, THINK IF YOU WE'RE GOOD, WE, THIS, WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THIS OFF CAMERA, ABOUT THE SIZE, BUT YEP, WE'RE GOOD. SO, UM, MEDIA ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.