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OKAY.[Board of Architectural Review on January 14, 2025.]
ORDER, UM, BOARD MARK TO REVIEW FOR TUESDAY, JANUARY 14TH, 2025.UM, SO WE START WITH A ROLL CALL.
THAT'S MS. SCHNEIDER'S ABSENT VICE CHAIRMAN VAUGHAN HERE.
UM, JOHN, WE, YOU GOT ON THE AGENDA HERE, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GUIDELINES.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO GO OVER AGAIN OR CAN WE MOVE INTO THAT? UH, THAT WAS FOR YOUR WORK SESSION.
SO YOU'RE MOVING ON TO APPROVAL OF THE OKAY.
AT THE SEVEN O'CLOCK MEETING BOARD.
UM, YOU GUYS TOOK A LOOK AT THE MEETING THEN.
YEAH, I THINK I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT YOU NEEDED TO, TO CHANGE ON THAT, SO I'LL MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
AND WE'VE GOT A FEW BUSINESS, UM, GOT THREE APPLICATIONS THIS EVENING.
I'LL WALK THROUGH THROUGH 'EM INDIVIDUALLY.
WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE.
UH, 2 0 7 SOUTH LOW AVENUE, JOHN.
SO, UH, APPLICATION 24 0 0 6 9 3 IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SUBMITTED BY SHELLY COOK FOR THE INSTALLATION OF STAIRS.
INSTALLATION OF A SECOND LEVEL DECK AND RAILINGS, REMOVAL OF WINDOWS REPLACED WITH A DOOR ON THE SECOND STORY, ACCESSING THE DECK AND REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF SECOND STORY FRONT AND SIDE.
WINDOWS AT 2 0 7 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE, IDENTIFIED THE T MAP 20 A SEVEN DASH FOUR, LOT 1 0 6.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONE C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT AND IS IN, IS LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UH, A VAST PORTION OF THE WORK IS COMPLETE.
UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE STAFF REPORT, UH, A LE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION LETTER, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPLICATION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SURVEY.
A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE BUILDING.
THERE'S THE, UH, VIOLATION LETTER THAT WAS SENT OUT SEPTEMBER 5TH, UH, CITING TOWN CODE SECTION 1 75 88 1 75 89.
UH, THAT WAS INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR PACKET.
THERE'S THE ARROW VIEW OF THE PROPERTY, UH, JUST LOCATED SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH ROYAL AND WEST STONEWALL DRIVE.
UH, THERE'S A PLAT OF THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN YELLOW AND RED IS THE SECOND FLOOR DECK AND THE STAIRS.
UH, THE BUILDING WAS ESTIMATED DATE OF CONSTRUCTION BETWEEN 1880 AND 1900.
IT IS LISTED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITH A MODERN COMMERCIAL ADDITIONS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING OCCURRING IN THE 1960S OR SEVENTIES.
AND A ONE STORY EXTENSION BUILT BEHIND A SECOND STORY L BETWEEN 1902 AND 1907.
UH, THIS RESOURCE IS AS SIGNIFICANT AS A LATE 19TH CENTURY VERNACULAR DWELLING.
AND ALTHOUGH IT HAS BEEN ADAPTED TO A NEW USE AS A STORE, IT RETAINS ENOUGH OF ITS ORIGINAL FORM AND DETAILS TO CONVEY ITS SIGNIFICANCE.
UH, THE BOARD OF OUR TEXTUAL REVIEW NEEDS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE FOLLOWING, THE CONVERSION OF THE WINDOW INTO A DOOR ON THE UPPER REAR OF THE STRUCTURE THAT NOW ACCESSES THE SECOND FLOOR DECK WOOD TO VINYL WINDOWS IN THE ADDITION OF THE SECOND FLOOR REAR DECK AND STAIRS.
INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE GUIDELINES WORKSHEET FOR THE EVALUATION OF THE PROJECT.
UH, THERE'S A SKETCH THAT WAS SUBMITTED AFTER THE, UH, DECK AND STAIRS WAS INSTALLED.
UH, PICTURES OF THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE NEWLY INSTALLED STAIRS THAT LEADS UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR DECK, UH, MADE OUT OF PRESSURE TREATED LUMBER.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SIDE VIEW OF THAT IN BETWEEN THE PARTS OF THE BUILDING.
UH, AGAIN, THE STAIRS PART OF THE DECK.
UH, PRESSURE TREATED LUMBER, UH, STAINED IN TWO DIFFERENT, UH, STYLES OR TYPES OF STAIN.
YOU CAN SEE A DARK STAIN THERE ON PART OF THE RISERS.
AND THE OTHER STAIN THAT THEY USED ON THE OTHER PART OF THE DECK, IT
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WAS OUT OF PRESSURED TREATED LUMBER.UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE WHERE THE STAIN, UH, THAT THEY STAINED THE, SOME OF THE STAINED MATERIAL DRIPPED OFF, GOT ON THE, THE PLATES HERE AND ON THE GUTTERING.
UH, RECENTLY DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, THERE WAS ONE OF THE WINDOWS ON THE BUILDING THAT WAS REPLACED WITH A VINYL WINDOW AND A WINDOW THERE WITH OSB, UH, COVERING THAT WINDOW.
UH, THOSE WINDOWS, AGAIN FROM A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT.
AND THE FRONT WINDOWS, UH, THERE REPLACED WITH VINYL WINDOWS.
UH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE TRIM HAS BEEN REMOVED HERE WITH THE COLLAR VARIATION ON THE SIDING.
AND, UH, THE WORK HAS NOT BEEN 100% COMPLETED ON THOSE WINDOWS, BUT THE VINYL WINDOWS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED.
UH, THEY REPLACED THE WOOD WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE.
UH, THERE'S THE DOOR THAT WAS ADDED TO THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH WAS A WINDOW.
UH, THE OPENING WAS CONVERTED TO A DOOR TO LEAD TO THAT SECOND FLOOR DECK.
UH, THERE'S THE, UH, REMAINING WINDOW THAT'S BOARDED UP WITH OSB SIDING.
SO YOUR DETERMINATION, YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE, UH, ONE AT THE CONVERSION.
UH, WE'LL GO BACK HERE AS THE CONVERSION OF THAT DOOR FROM THE WINDOW TO THE DOOR IS APPROPRIATE.
ALSO, UH, DIVINE, UH, REMOVAL OF THE WOODEN WINDOWS TO VINYL AND, UH, THE INSTALLATION OF THE REAR DECK AND STAIRS, UH, PRESSURE TREATED, TREATED LUMBER FOR THAT, UH, ADDITION TO THE STRUCTURE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, FOR TOWN STAFF, BUT INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE GUIDELINE WORKSHEET FOR THE EVALUATION OF THE PROJECT IN THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE, JOHN, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE DOOR STRAIGHT AHEAD? UH, THE DOOR WOULD BE UP RIGHT AT THE TOP.
THAT WAS A WINDOW AT ONE TIME.
UH, WOODEN STEPS AND RAILING AT IT.
AND A WIN, UH, THE DOOR REPLACING THE WINDOW THERE.
AND THAT, UM, ADDITION ONTO THE BUILDING WAS EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.
IS THAT WHAT HE SAID? SO THE WINDOW HAD THAT CAME OUT, HAD SOME, SOME VALUE OR WAS IT ALREADY REPLACED OR, UH, HAD SOME VALUE? YES.
THAT EXTENSION OF THE BUILDING, UH, THEY ESTIMATE BETWEEN 1902 AND 1907.
THE WINDOW THAT CAME OUT THOUGH, WAS THERE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WHETHER IT WAS DATED FROM THAT TIMEFRAME? I DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE.
THE WINDOW WAS ALREADY REMOVED IN THE DOOR INSTALLED PRIOR TO, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT ARRIVING ON SITE.
SO I ASSUME THAT, UH, WE'RE REVIEWING IT BECAUSE CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS DETERMINED THAT, THAT IT'S SUITS THAT, UH, THEY DID WORK.
UH, A COUPLE PARTS OF THE VIOLATION OR NOTICE OF WARNING.
UH, ONE, THEY DID NOT GET A BAR APPROVAL CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO DO THE WORK.
UH, THEY DID NOT GET, UH, APPROVAL FOR ZONING PERMITS FOR THE TOWN TO DO THE WORK.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH US.
THEY DID WORK WITHOUT PERMITS, UH, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STAIRS AND DID NOT RECEIVE, UH, WHICH IS NOT PERTAINING HERE.
THEY DID NOT SEE RECEIVE AT THE TIME, UH, BUILDING PERMITS FROM WARREN COUNTY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STAIRS AND THE DECK.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST STEP TO BRING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE DOOR? NO.
SO I, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ARE THERE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT, THAT HAVE TO BE MET THAT BEFORE WE EVEN THAT WOULD BE ENFORCED BY WARREN COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT? SO THAT'S AFTER WE REVIEW IT? YES.
YOU HAD TO DETERMINE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE OR THESE CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE.
BUT WHAT IF WE SPEND TIME ON THIS AND THEY SAY, WELL, IT DOESN'T NEED BUILDING CODE, IT HAS TO COME HOME.
THAT'S YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MATERIALS.
ARE THE MATERIALS APPROPRIATE? RIGHT.
THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THOSE WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED.
WHATEVER WINDOWS YOU SAY YOU NEED TO GET INSTALLED THERE, INSTALLED PROPERLY.
THE OPPOSITE SIDE, LOOKING AT THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, HE'S CHECKING TO SEE ONE FROM THE SIDE.
WELL, WELL, SO FROM A BUILDING CODE STANDPOINT, HE'S LOOKING UP AT THOSE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS.
I REALIZE WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BUILDING CODE.
BUT THE FACT THAT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S INSTALLED SAFELY OR MEETS CODES AND STUFF, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
BUT IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT AFTER WE REVIEW IT, THAT BUILDING CODE, PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY NO.
WHAT PHOTOGRAPH WAS YOUR LINE AGAIN? UM, THE, I WAS LOOKING NOT BESIDE THE DECK IS ON, BUT IT'S LOOKING AT THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IT WAS LOOKING AT THOSE, YEAH, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
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IS THAT AN OVERHANG IN THE WAY OF THE CHIMNEY? THAT'S AN, THAT'S THE NEXT, UH, THIS HERE, THIS IS FROM THE JOINTING PROPERTY THERE? NO, NO.I CAN'T TELL IF IT'S A WHITE PART OF THE SOFFIT, NOT THE CHIMNEY ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS A MASSIVE CHUNK OUT OF IT.
I CAN'T TELL IF THAT'S AN ACTUAL CHUNK MISSING OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING BLOCKING THE VIEW FROM THE ANGLE OF THE PHOTO.
IT'S, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE PIECE OF THE CHIMNEY MISSING THERE.
SO THIS, YEAH, WE'VE GOT SOME, BUT THEY DID NOT, UH, SERIOUS MAKE A, UH, APPLICATION TO REPAIR THE CHIMNEY.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE TONIGHT.
IF YOU WANNA ASK QUESTIONS OF THE PROPERTY.
PICTURE YOU WERE JUST MM-HMM
SO IN THE BACK HERE, THIS IS THE ADDITION FROM 1909? YES.
SO THE FRONT PART WHERE THE WOOD COVERING THE WINDOWS, THE ORIGINAL EIGHT IN THE BACK PART.
WHAT DO YOU WANT THE PHOTOGRAPH AT? ANY LOCATION FOR? UH, UM, WELL, I GUESS THIS IS A PERFECT ONE.
WE CAN START WITH THE, THE WINDOWS.
UM, CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT BEFORE YOU GUYS? I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO I HAVE, I WASN'T ABLE TO GET COPIES, BUT AS FAR AS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE DECK, DAN HOEK IS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD, AND HE HAS ALREADY WORKED WITH WARREN COUNTY ON THE DECK AND CERTIFIED THAT IT MEANT REGULATION AND BUILDING CODE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE UPSTAIRS DOOR, THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSY.
IT SHOWED AS A WINDOW BECAUSE THEY HAD WOOD OVER IT THAT COVERED FOR A WINDOW.
BUT WHEN THEY REMOVED IT TO REPLACE IT, THAT WAS WHERE THEY HAD TO PUT THE DOOR.
BECAUSE WHAT WAS, THERE WAS NOT A WINDOW.
IT HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN A DOOR AND THERE WAS A SMALL, I EVEN BROUGHT IT IN.
OR WAS THERE ACTUALLY A DOOR PANEL THERE THAT THEY JUST NO, IT WAS JUST, THEY, WHEN I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY TO TRY TO GET IT BACK INTO CONFORMANCE, THIS IS GOOD TO WHAT I WALKED INTO.
I BOUGHT THIS AND IT WAS LEAKS EVERYWHERE.
SO WHERE I MADE THE MISTAKE, UH, WAS THE DECK.
UH, THAT'S MY FAULT COMPLETELY.
I ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT.
I LEFT THE JOB, THEY PUT THE DECK ON.
THERE WAS NO REGRESS GOING BACK.
I HAVE FIVE JOBS GOING, AND I JUST DIDN'T GO BACK THERE TO SEE THAT THEY HAD DONE IT.
TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS, I THOUGHT IT WAS FINE TO REPLACE A WINDOW THAT WAS BOARDED UP.
I HAD NO IDEA THAT IT WAS CODE AS LONG IT'S CODE COMPLIANT TO KEEP A PLYWOOD WINDOW, BUT NOT CODE COMPLIANT TO FIX IT.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW YOU COULDN'T REPLACE IT WITH VINYL.
THAT IS UP TO DATE AND UP TO ENERGY STANDARDS.
SO THERE WAS NO WINDOW THERE AT ALL.
IT WAS JUST AN OPENING REQUIRED.
IT WAS, THERE WAS A WINDOW THERE, SIR, BUT IT WASN'T TOGETHER.
SO BASICALLY THEY HAD DRAFTS, UHHUH COMING IN THE BUILDING, UM, RODENTS, BATS.
IT WAS THE SAT, LIKE THE UPPER SASH WAS NAILED UP.
AND NONE OF THE PAINS WERE IN IT.
AND BASICALLY THIS UPPER HOLE HAD AIR JUST MOVING THROUGH IT.
UM, AND THEN PLYWOOD OVER THEM PAINTED TO LOOK LIKE WINDOWS.
IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY.
SO WHAT WAS BEHIND THE PLYWOOD? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THAT IS WHAT WAS OVER THERE.
THAT'S WHAT THE CREWS FOUND WHEN THEY WENT IN TO START REMOVING THIS PLYWOOD WAS ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. AND THEN THEY GOT ATTACKED BY BATS AND BY RACCOONS AND, UM, HENCE THE CHIMNEYS UNWORKABLE.
AND THERE IS A CHUNK I HAD THERE PHOTOS OF THE WINDOWS THAT WERE BOARDED OVER.
SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOS OF THE WINDOWS THAT WERE BOARDED OVER? I DIDN'T TAKE PICTURES.
I THINK IN THAT PACKET THERE WAS A PICTURE OF THE BUILDING FROM THE 19 HUNDREDS.
AND I ACTUALLY PUT, UH, BROUGHT A PICTURE IN AND HIGHLIGHTED THE METAL DECK THAT WAS ON THE SIDE WHERE THE DECK WAS REPLACED.
IT WAS ONE OF THE CATWALKS THAT YOU HAD PUT DOWN BECAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN APARTMENT.
UM, NO ONE'S LIVING THERE RIGHT NOW.
THERE IS SOMEONE MOVING THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S OKAY TO BOARD UP A WINDOW.
MAYBE THAT'S NOT A BEDROOM IN BACK.
THERE'S NO BOARDED UP WINDOWS NOW, MA'AM.
MA'AM, I DIDN'T BRING THAT PICTURE.
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YEAH, THOSE ARE COOL, COOL LAYOUT.I GUESS THEY WERE SHUTTERED AS WELL.
THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING SINCE I TOOK IT OVER.
AND THERE'S JUST BOARDS EVERYWHERE.
THE WAREHOUSE HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED.
UM, BUT IT'S GOT, THAT'S COMING UP.
IT'S GOT BOARDS ALL OVER IT TOO.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S HOW THE WHOLE PROPERTY WAS.
IT WAS BOARDED UP, KIND OF EVERYTHING WAS BOARDED UP.
UM, I HAD SPEND $32,000 JUST ON THE ROOF TO SAVE THE BOOKSHOP THERE BECAUSE EITHER THAT OR SHUT THE BOOKSHOP DOWN ALTOGETHER.
AND THAT'S STILL, I MEAN, I CAN'T KEEP POURING MONEY GOOD.
I HAVE TO MAKE SOME ACCOMMODATIONS OR I JUST BOARD 'EM BACK UP.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR THE GIRLS.
UH, I, IT SEEMS HAD WE BEEN STARTING TO SCRATCH THAT, AN APPLICANT WOULD'VE COME IN AND, UH, REQUESTED INPUT AND THE SUGGESTION WOULD'VE BEEN MADE, PUT IN WINDOWS THAT WERE MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE PERIOD OF THE HOUSE.
HOPEFULLY ANYTHING, THE PATTERN OF THE ORIGINAL ONE, SINCE WE DO HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF IT.
I'D LIKE TO START FROM SCRATCH.
AND MAYBE THERE'S A HAPPY MEDIUM HERE.
UM, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR THE, UM, TO TRIM THESE THINGS OUT? SO THAT'S WHAT IT, THAT'S THE CURRENT CONDITION.
THERE'S NO TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS.
IT'S BECAUSE I'M GONNA PUT SIDING, WHICH I'VE ALREADY GOT A, UM, WHATEVER THAT'S CALLED.
LAUREN GAVE ME THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR WHATEVER FOR THE SIDING.
WHY DID WE DO THAT? IT WAS ISSUED THE YELLOW.
THEY ISSUED THAT FOR RESTAURANT.
NOW THE HOUSE, THE, NO, IT WAS THE, FOR THAT.
I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME THAT I CAN SAY.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
WELL, IT'S NOT A, IT WAS A, IT WAS THE SIDING TO GO BACK ON IT.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING RED OR YELLOW.
I HAVE TO DO SIDING ON THAT AT SOME POINT OR JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS AND PAINT IT.
UM, WELL, YEAH, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE ALL JUST A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THE, IN THE MINOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE WITHOUT COMING HERE FIRST.
AND CAN I ASK YOU, DID YOU, DID YOU, WERE YOU AWARE THAT YOU NEEDED TO COME TO THE BAR? SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS NOT WITH THE WINDOWS, THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS.
I THOUGHT IF THEY WERE COVERED THAT YOU WERE ALLOWED TO REPLACE THOSE.
I WILL TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CREW.
DID IT THINKING THEY HAD THE PERMITS FOR IT BECAUSE WE WERE DOING ANOTHER DECK.
UHHUH,
DID YOU HAVE A, DID YOU GO TO THE COUNTY? AND I HADN'T EVEN BEEN TO THE JOB FOR A MONTH.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ANY CONSTRUCTION WAS GOING ON.
DID YOU HAVE, DO YOU GO ON THE TOWN WEBSITE? HAVE YOU EVER REVIEWED THE, UH, GUIDELINES THAT ARE ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR LOOKED AT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MAP? YOU WERE AWARE THAT THAT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOUR PROPERTY? YEAH, I WAS AWARE THAT IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BUT AGAIN, I DIDN'T KNOW, JUST LIKE, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT A BOARDED UP WINDOW WAS COMPLIANT.
SO YOU HAD NEVER REVIEWED THE GUIDELINES? NO, SIR.
UM, YEAH, I THINK AT A, AT A BARE MINIMUM, UM, WE WOULD WANT TO SEE A DIFFERENT STYLE OF WINDOW IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
I THINK WE WOULD ON THE FRONT.
I WOULD'VE MADE IT ON THE FRONT.
I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY INVESTED QUITE A BIT OF MONEY INTO THIS PROPERTY AND YOU ALMOST $75,000.
AND I REALLY GOTTA BE HONEST WITH YOU GUYS, IF IT COMES DOWN TO, AND IT GETS TO BE TOO MUCH, I'LL JUST PUT THE WOOD BACK UP.
I MEAN, I'VE GOTTA BE REALLY HONEST WITH YOU.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO WHAT YOU WANT.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH IT.
I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I, I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT COMES TO A POINT THAT THE BUILDING IS, IS REALLY, IT OUTWEIGHS FIXING IT UP.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHY THE OTHER OWNER DID IT, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, THERE'S NOT AN ENERGY EFFICIENT WAY TO PUT
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A WOOD WINDOW IN THERE.WELL, WE HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE.
I MEAN, FOR A LOT OF MONEY, I'M SURE A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS A WINDOW.
YOU COULD, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE THE POINT.
I'M JUST HERE TO SAY I'LL DO THE BEST I CAN.
BUT AT THE POINT THAT I CAN'T AFFORD IT LIKE ANYBODY ELSE, I HAVE TO MAKE THE RESPONSIBLE CHOICE TO JUST BOARD IT UP.
I'M NOT SAYING I DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I UNDERSTAND ARCHITECTURALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M SAYING I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM A FEASIBILITY.
THESE GIRLS CAN PAY $800 A MONTH.
IT'S EITHER THAT OR SHUT THE BOOKSTORE DOWN.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO KEEP THESE GIRLS GOING BECAUSE I'M FUNDING MOST OF IT.
YOU DID BUY A HOUSE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I BOUGHT A, A HOUSE IN THE STORE DISTRICT TO SAVE THE BOOKSTORE.
UM, I IT'S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.
THOSE LADIES ARE LIVING UPSTAIRS, YOU SAID? NO MA'AM.
THEY HAVE FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE UPSTAIRS WAS AN APARTMENT.
THERE'S A NURSE THAT STAYS THERE FOR A MONTH.
I DIDN'T PUT ANYBODY FULL-TIME IN THERE.
BECAUSE IT'S ALSO NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.
BUT YOU CAN'T BOARD UP A WINDOW IN A BEDROOM.
I WOULD, I WOULD EVICT THEM, MA'AM.
ALL ONE WAY THAT WE CAN REACH A COMPROMISE ON THESE WINDOWS IS IF YOU WERE WILLING TO REPLACE THE FRONT ONES WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE AGE AND THE STYLE OF THAT BUILDING.
AND THEN WE COULD WAVE THE FACT THAT THE OTHERS HAVE ALL BEEN REPLACED WITH VINYL SINCE THEY'RE NOT AS PROMINENT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE COMPROMISE, WOULDN'T YOU? YEAH, I WILL DO MY VERY BEST TO DO WHATEVER YOU ASK ME TO DO.
I, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU ALL.
AND IN NO WAY AM I TRYING TO SEEM ARBITRARY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST.
WELL, AND I THINK THAT GOES THE OTHER DIRECTION TOO.
WE ARE TRYING NOT TO BE ARBITRARY.
OR, UH, OVERLY, OVERLY AGGRESSIVE AND YEAH.
HOW WE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
WE GOTTA WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE SAME BALANCE.
YOU ARE UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY.
YOUR APPROVAL WAS FROM SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2023.
AND IT WAS CHANGE THE PAINT COLOR.
I CAN APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVE PAINT COLOR, CHANGE THE CHANGING PAINT COLOR FROM BARN RED TO YELLOW TO MATCH THE ADJOINING STRUCTURE SHE CAME TO, TO THE ZONING FOR THE TWISTER.
I MEAN, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THE SIDING ON THERE, THAT IS GONNA HAVE TO COME TO THEM.
SO YOUR APPROVAL IS FOR PAINT.
I, I THOUGHT WE HAD BEEN APPROVED FOR THE COMPOSITE.
'CAUSE I PUT THE OTHER BUILDING, UH, FOR COMPOSITE.
AND YOU HAD, YOU HAD GONE TO THE BAR FOR THAT BUILDING? YES.
AND SO I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE HAD DONE.
SO WHAT DATE DID THEY GO TO THE BAR? THAT WOULD'VE BEEN EARLIER.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN BACK IN 2023.
AND YET YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD TO COME TO THE BAR FOR THIS ONE? THIS MA'AM, THIS WAS FOR SIDING.
I THINK I SAID I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE WINDOWS.
SO I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR A REVIEW BOARD IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE CHARACTER OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT CAN BE LOST PEACE BY PEACE AND
JACK EVANS IS EVIDENT OF THAT.
AND, AND THIS IS ONE I LOOK OUT MY DOOR.
I LOOK OUT MY DOOR AND SEE JACK EVANS.
I LOOK ACROSS THE STREET AND I SEE THE SLUM HOUSES THAT NOTHING IS DONE WITH AND THEY'RE ALL BOARDED UP.
I NOW LOOK AT THE PLACE WHEN I COME THROUGH TOWN AND IT'S BOARDED UP WINDOWS.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE HERE.
I HAVE TRIED TO FIX OTHER BLIGHTED BUILDINGS IN TOWN, SO YES.
BUT THIS ONE, I DID NOT KNOW THAT I COULDN'T REPLACE THE WINDOWS THAT WERE BOARDED UP.
I THOUGHT IT WAS FINE TO REPLACE THE WINDOW.
SO, ALRIGHT, THAT'S, WE'VE GOT A ROUGH IDEA OF WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THE WINDOW SITUATION.
WHAT ABOUT THE DECK? WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A DECK ON THE BACK.
IT NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, ITS PRESSURE TREATED LUMBER.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME SO MUCH.
IT ALSO WAS NOT IMPACTING ANY OF THE ORIGINAL FABRIC BUILDING.
AND THE DOOR AT THE TOP, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS A DOOR THEY HAD THEN THERE WAS STAIRS ORIGINALLY BACK THERE.
THERE WAS A, THERE WAS SOME KIND OF ACCESS.
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YOU PUT UP THERE.AGAIN, UM, IT'S ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S EASILY CHANGED IN THE FUTURE.
UH, I DON'T IF WE CAN, I AM WILLING TO SAY YES TO THE METAL DOOR.
IN THE FRESH AND TREATED DECK AND WITH WINDOWS IN THE FRONT.
AND THE VINYL WINDOWS ON THE SIDE IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN YEAH.
MAKE THE FRONT LOOK HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE AND KEEP IT THAT WAY.
YOU MAY NEED TO GIVE HER DETAILS ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
WHICH WOULD REQUIRE WOOD WINDOWS TO GO BACK IN WHERE THERE WERE WOOD WINDOWS JUST IN THE FRONT FORCE IT, YOU NEED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PANES YOU WANT IN THERE.
IT'S JUST WHAT CIRCA WHAT IS THIS 93 FROM? IS THIS PHOTO FROM THE NINE THREE SURVEY? YES.
AND CLAD WOOD WINDOWS ARE ACCEPTABLE.
WHAT WAS THAT? CLAD WOOD WINDOWS.
AND THEN YOU MAY NEED TO SPECIFY WHAT KIND OF TRIM YOU WANNA SEE AROUND THE WINDOWS TOO.
DO YOU WANNA SEE THE WOOD TRIM? DO YOU, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE I THREE? 'CAUSE IF YOU DON'T SPECIFY NOT TO WRAP IT IN VINYL.
WELL, THAT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO THE, THE SIDING QUESTION AS WELL.
WHAT TYPE OF, WHAT TYPE OF TRIM THEY GO WITH.
UM, HOW TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE SIDING BECAUSE IT'S GETTING EATEN OUT BY YEAH.
ARE YOU PLANNING TO, UM, COME BEFORE THE REVIEW BOARD ABOUT THE SIDING? I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE SIDING BECAUSE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THE SIDING HAS TO COME OFF BECAUSE OF THE TERMITES.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO TABLE THE TRIM, UH, REVIEW UNTIL WE GET THE SIDING APPLICATION? IT PROBABLY DOES.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CARVE THAT.
I MEAN, CAN WE CARVE THAT OUT OF THIS OR DO WE HAVE TO TABLE THE WHOLE APPLICATION? CAN WE, WE CAN'T CARVE A LITTLE PIECE OUT OF AN APPLICATION, CAN WE? YEAH, WELL THEY CAN APPROVE THE, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ONE UNTIL SHE COMES BACK WITH THE SIDING.
AND YOU CAN MAKE, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AND PUT CONDITIONS ON THE MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE, REGARDING THE WINDOWS.
PUT A CONDITION ON THE, IT'S APPROVED THE TWO OVER TWO WOOD WINDOW IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, CONTINGENT UPON THE APPLICANT.
I GUESS WE'LL DEAL WITH THE TRIM QUESTION AT, WITH THE, WITH THE SID MATCH PUTS ON POPPY'S PLACE.
AND LIKE AT THE END, UNDO COLOR.
IT'S, IT'S LIKE A, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A, A BROWN YELLOW.
JOHN, CAN YOU BRING US A PHOTO OF THAT FRONT AGAIN, PLEASE? CAN TELL.
DID THE S SEALS GET CUT OFF? IT LOOKS LIKE IT.
THOSE ARE THE EXACT WAY THAT THEY WERE.
THE ONLY THING WE DID WAS PUT A WINDOW IN THERE.
THERE WAS A BOARD THAT WAS OVER TOP OF THOSE WINDOWS.
THE ONLY THING I DID WAS PUT THE WINDOWS IN.
I'M HAPPY TO PUT A SILL BACK THERE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S ALSO VERY CHEAP TO PUT A SHUTTER, A WOODEN SHUTTER.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
MY PROBLEM IS GONNA BE, IF YOU WANT SOMETHING AGE APPROPRIATE AS A WOOD WINDOW WHERE I'M GONNA HAVE TROUBLE FINDING THE WINDOW THAT IT IS ENERGY EFFICIENT, YOU WON'T HAVE TROUBLE LIFTING.
UM, I DO THINK WE HAVE SOME RESOURCES, SHELLY.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST PERSON THAT'S COME RECENTLY ABOUT OLD WOOD WINDOWS.
AND SO WE DID, THEY WANTED TO REPLACE MM-HMM
WITH VINYL AND WE DENIED THAT.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE THREE DIFFERENT, I BELIEVE THREE DIFFERENT SOURCES WHERE WOOD WINDOWS ARE AVAILABLE.
I'VE NEVER DONE IT, BUT I MEAN, LITERALLY IT'S A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE, THE SHUTTERS, WOODEN SHUTTERS.
BUT I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.
AND THE SILLS YOU CAN MAKE, I DON'T HAVE A, THE SHUTTERS AREN'T REAL SHUTTERS AND THEY'RE NOT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.
THEY DON'T REALLY SERVE A PURPOSE.
THERE'S NO SENSE IN PUTTING MONEY INTO SHUTTERS.
IT'S MORE ABOUT GETTING THAT, THAT TWO OVER TWO STYLE THAT WAS IN, UM, IN THIS 1993 PHOTO, WHICH WE CAN ONLY
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ASSUME WERE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY WOULD'VE BEEN.AND, UM, AND GETTING THAT, THAT THE JAM IN THE SILL THAT THAT PRO PROTRUDES OUT.
SO TYPICALLY A NEW WINDOW WOULD COME WITH THE JAM IN THE SILL.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN SAY SOMETHING LIKE, UH, A VINYL CLAD WOOD, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE MAINTENANCE, UM, ON IT, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE OVER WINDOW.
DID WE WANNA GO AS FAR TO SAY SIMUL RIGHT AWAY ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF THE GLASS? AND DO YOU CARE? I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I WOULD WANNA SEE REAL HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS IN THOSE OPENINGS.
YOU KNOW? UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE MORE EXPENSIVE.
SO, UM, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THAT'S A REASONABLE COMPROMISE.
YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL WORK ALL AROUND TOWN.
YEAH, NO, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT I WON'T DO IT, ELLEN.
I MEAN, I'M VERY AGREEABLE AND I, I UNDERSTAND WHY I'M HERE AND THAT'S MY FAULT.
SO I DON'T, AND, AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO RECTIFY THIS SITUATION, I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT THAT I CAN STILL CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD.
AND THE WINDOW'S IN THE FRONT, I'M FINE.
I CAN'T REPLACE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM AND REPLACE ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH ME.
YOU PULL UP THE SIDE, THE OTHER SIDE.
I THINK YOU GOT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE LOOKS OF IT.
DO YOU HAVE ONE THAT SHOWS THE SILT? THE ONE THAT YEAH, IT'S CUT OFF.
IS THE SIT ON THAT VINYL WINDOW THAT YOU SEE IN THAT PHOTO? I'M SORRY, SIR.
UM, THE ONE ON THE SIDE THAT'S NEXT TO THE ONE THAT'S CORDED UP.
IS THE SILL GONE ON THAT ONE TOO? WELL, I DON'T WANNA LIE TO YOU, SIR.
I CAN, I CAN LOOK, BUT I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE REALLY GOOD WOODSMAN AND I WOULDN'T HAVE PROBLEMS PUTTING THOSE SILLS BACK UHHUH IF THAT WOULD MAKE YOU ALL HAPPY.
I DON'T, THAT'S A VERY MINIMAL COST BECAUSE WE DO A LOT OF WOODWORKING.
I MEAN, LITERALLY IT WAS ON EITHER SIDE AND IT WAS, IT HAD CAUGHT FIRE.
SO WE ALSO HAD TO CUT OUT A LITTLE BIT AROUND IT BECAUSE THE, THE WOOD WAS BURNT.
UM, SO THERE IT WAS JUST A MESS.
AND THAT'S HOW THE RODENTS WERE GETTING IN, THAT WERE GOING DOWNSTAIRS TO THE GIRLS.
UM, YEAH, WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE FRONT AGAIN, JOHN? SORRY, ASKING YOU TO BOUNCE AROUND.
UM, IT'S LIKE THE WINDOWS THAT YOU'VE GOT STUCK IN THERE.
THEY'VE TAKEN, THEY'VE LEFT THE, THE SILL THAT HAD THE, IT'S ROTTED OFF AND THEY JUST KNOCKED THE FACE OFF.
'CAUSE THEY HAD A PIECE OF PLYWOOD SCREWED TO THE WALL.
AND THEY DIDN'T CUT THE FACE OF THE SILL OFF.
THE PLYWOOD WOULD'VE SNUCK OUT.
SO THE GUY SAID, WELL, LET'S CUT THAT OFF.
SIT INSIDE THE OPENING UP AND I, THEY MIGHT EVEN SIT INSIDE THE JAM OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOW SO THAT THE WINDOW ITSELF IS EVEN SMALLER THAN THE ORIGINAL ONE WOULD BE.
YOU'RE LOSING ABOUT THREE INCHES BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE JAM OF THE NEW WINDOW PLUS THE JAM OF THE OLD WINDOW.
THEY'RE NOT SITTING IN THE OPENING OF THE WALL.
THEY'RE SITTING IN A, THE ORIGINAL JAM AND SITTING ON TOP OF THE ORIGINAL SILL, WHICH HAS BEEN CUT OFF.
IF THAT'S THE CASE FOR THE ONES ON THE SIDE, I WOULD BE SPECULATING IF I SAT HERE AND TOLD YOU, BECAUSE I, I WAS NOT THERE WHEN THEY REPLACED THE WINDOWS.
THE ONLY THING I CAN TELL YOU IS THERE WAS SEVERAL OF THESE WINDOWS BECAUSE OF THE FIRE THAT THEY HAD TO CUT OUT THE BURN AND, AND GET NEW TUB BY FOURS AND PUT IN THERE BECAUSE THEY WERE ROTTEN FROM TERMITES.
SO THAT TELLS ME THAT IT ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THEY WERE, I DON'T KNOW THE SIZES OF THE WOODEN WINDOWS THAT WERE IN THERE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THEY WERE NAILED IN LIKE NAILED SHUT.
AND SO WHEN THEY TOOK THOSE OUT, THEY PUT THESE IN AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY HAD TO CUT THEM MORE, SIR.
BUT AGAIN, I WOULDN'T WANT TO TELL YOU A LOT.
UM, SO ALLS I COULD DO IS DO WHAT IS THERE AND DO IT WITH A WOOD LOOK WINDOW AND, UM, PUT BACK AS CLOSE AS I CAN TO THE PICTURE THAT WAS PROVIDED.
WELL WE NEED TO KIND OF CRAFT A MOTION HERE SO WE CAN GET THIS THING MOVING.
I JUST WANNA, I FEEL LIKE THAT WE CAN'T MAKE THIS MOTION WITHOUT HER APPLICATION FOR THE SIDING.
YEAH, I THINK WE KEEP THAT SEPARATE.
AND WE'LL JUST LEAVE THE TRIM ISSUE FOR THE SIDING.
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YEAH, AGREE.WE JUST NEED TO MENTION IT IN THIS.
I, I WOULD SAY I AGREE WITH THAT.
SO, UM, WHAT IS THE APPLICATION NUMBER? YEAH, 2 4 0 0 6.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA MAKING MOTION TO APPROVE THE DECK.
BUT THE FRONT FACADE AS INSTALLED ON THE CONDITION THAT THE FRONT FACADE VINYL WINDOWS ARE REPLACED WITH A, A CLAD WOOD WINDOW, A CLAD WOOD WINDOW THAT MORE ACCURATELY REPLICATES THE WINDOWS DEPICTED IN THE 1993 SURVEY PHOTO, WHICH ARE TWO OVER TWO BY LIGHT, DOUBLE ONSET OVER TWO.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT BELONG? YEAH.
WOOD EXCEPT ON THE FRONT, THE SAW, BUT THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT SAW REPLACED WITH TWO OF THE TWO DOUBLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS.
ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE SALES TOO.
THE HOLD ON THE FOUND TO 2019, THE GOOGLE STREET IMAGES SHOWS THOSE ORIGINAL WINDOWS THERE.
UM, JUST TRYING TO GET IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
MY THING IS, WE HAVE THOSE, WHAT'S THE DATE OF THAT? UM, PHOTOGRAPH 93.
SO THERE WERE BLACK SHUTTERS THERE AND THEN YES.
THEY'RE DIVIDED LIGHT TWO OVER 2 20 18.
SO TO PREVENT JUST SASHES GOING IN THERE, MAYBE WE CAN ADD A FULL WINDOW UNIT, INCLUDING, I DO WANNA CALL THESE OR LABELED LIST.
THIS IS WHAT, BUT THIS IS STILL HERE.
SO A REPLACEMENT WINDOW, THAT'S A, THAT LOOKS LIKE PART OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS DO THAT.
THE REPLACEMENT THEIL WOULD COME WITH THE UNIT.
YEAH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING SEPARATE.
THIS IS THE GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE FROM 2018.
AND IT'S GOT THE SASH ON LINE.
SO HOW WOULD YOU WANT ME TO ADD THAT? UM, LAURA, CAN YOU TAKE A PRINT SCREEN ON THAT? YEAH.
COMPLETE WINDOWS, JAM, SASH AND SEAL.
ONE, TEST AND SEAL DIVIDED LIGHT.
BUT ONE BENEFIT, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE APPLICATION 2 4 0 0 6 9 3.
UM, APPROVING THE REAR DECK, THE DOOR, THE VITAL WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURE, EXCEPT THE FRONT FACADE.
THE FRONT FACADE CONDITIONAL UPON THE FRONT.
TWO WINDOWS BE REPLACED WITH DIVIDED LIGHT.
TWO OVER TWO DOUBLE HUNG WOODEN WINDOWS COMPLETE WITH WOODEN SASH AND SILT JAM AND SILT CAN AND IL JAMIL MS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
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NEXT ITEM.WE'VE GOT APPLICATION 6 9 4 APPLICATION 24 0 0 6 94.
CERTIFICATE OF APPROACHING THIS, UH, APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY SHELLY COOK OF COOK ROYALTY FOR BUILDING TO HOUSE AN OUTDOOR PIZZA OVEN AT 2 0 1 SLASH 2 0 5 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE.
IDENTIFIED TAX MAP 2087 DASH FOUR, BOX 1 0 8 AND 1 0 9.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT IS LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND THE BUILDING HAS ALREADY BEEN ERECTED.
UH, PART OF, UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE STAFF REPORT.
UH, NOTICE OF WARNING NOTICE LETTER, UH, STATING VIOLATIONS OF TOWN CODE 1 75 88, 1 75, 89 0.182, AND 1 75, 1 34.
UH, THE TOWN RECEIVED NOTICE FROM WARREN COUNTY THAT A STRUCTURE WAS, UH, BEING BUILT WITHOUT A COUNTY BUILDING PERMIT.
UH, THEY, WE, THEY NOTIFIED THAT OUR CODE COMPLIANCE, CODE COMPLIANCE WENT OUT THERE AND DID A, AN INVESTIGATION IN THE FIELD.
UH, AND THAT'S HOW IT BROUGHT ABOUT THE, UH, STRUCTURE NEXT DOOR ALONG WITH THIS, UH, BUILDING WITHOUT HAVING PERMITS THAT BROUGHT TO THE BAR.
UH, SO THERE'S THE BUILDING LOCATED THERE AT THE CORNER OF, UH, SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE IN, UH, WEST STONEWALL DRIVE.
UH, THE BUILDING WAS ESTIMATED THE DATE OF CONSTRUCTION BETWEEN 1880 AND 1900.
IT IS LISTED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THE HOUSE BEGAN WITH A T-SHAPED PLAN CREATED BY A TWO AND A TWO AND A HALF STORY INTERSECTING SECTIONS BETWEEN 1907 AND 1912.
AN A WAS ADDED, TAKEN AWAY THE ORIGINAL REAR PORCH AND ADDING ONE ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ALE.
BETWEEN 1919 AND 1927, THAT PORCH WAS APPARENTLY ENCLOSED AND BECAME PART OF THE ALE, AND THE PRESENT BACK PORCH WAS ADDED.
UH, THEY STATED THAT THIS RESOURCE IS SIGNIFICANT FOR ITS ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, WHICH IS WELL PRESERVED AND HAS BEEN RETAINED IN THE BUILDING.
SUCCESSFUL ADAPTATION TO, TO COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.
UH, SO THE, WHAT THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTED AS A, AS A BUILDING AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, A 10 BY 13 BUILDING AT THE REAR OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
UH, THERE YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, BUILDING LOCATED THERE.
OSB BOARDING CURRENTLY ON THE SIDES.
ANOTHER VIEW OF IT HOUSING, THE PIZZA OVEN, UH, THE DOOR THERE COMING OUT OF THE BACK OF THE, UH, STRUCTURE.
ANOTHER VIEW FROM THE PARKING LOT AND ANOTHER SIDE VIEW THERE, UH, WITH THAT.
SO, UH, ALSO IN YOUR PACKET IS THE GUIDELINES DETERMINING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THIS BUILDING.
UM, YOU ARE TO MAKE DETERMINATION IF THE CLADDING AND THE DESIGN OF THIS STRUCTURE IS APPROPRIATE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, ANOTHER ISSUE WAS WITH THIS BUILDING, UH, THAT IT WAS BUILT ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE HERE.
UH, SO IT WAS ANOTHER VIOLATION OF TOWN CODE.
IT WAS BUILT ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE.
SINCE THEN, THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS RECTIFIED THAT WITH DOING A VACATING THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THOSE PROPERTIES, UH, CURRENTLY IS UNDER ONE LOT.
SO IT'S NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE BUILDING SETBACKS AT THIS TIME.
UM, WHAT, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS YOU WANNA LOOK AT? THAT'S A GOOD ONE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF? SO THAT'S HOW IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S NO SIDING, NO PAINT, NO NOTHING.
THEY TOLD ME TO STOP CONSTRUCTION.
I, IT WAS AN OPEN, I CALLED THE COUNTY BEFORE I EVER STARTED AND THEY SAID AS LONG AS IT WAS UNDER 260 SQUARE FEET, I DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT.
I WASN'T THINKING THAT I HAD TO HAVE FOR AN OPEN STRUCTURE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE A STORAGE.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY TO BUILD THAT.
SO THEN I GOT A VISIT FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE COUNTY WHO SAID, WELL, YEAH, NO, BUT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IT
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IS TOUCHING THE OTHER STRUCTURE.AND THEN ON, ON TOP OF IT, IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND YOU CAN'T PUT A BUILDING.
SO THE NEXT APPLICATION NOT MOVING FORWARD IS FOR ME TO MOVE THAT INSIDE.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM IN POPPY'S.
SO I WAS TRYING TO DO THIS ALL AT ONCE, BUT WE NEEDED SOMETHING, UH, TO BAKE OUR PIZZAS IN.
SO WE GOT AN OUTDOOR OVEN AND WE JUST PUT SOMETHING OVER THE TOP OF IT.
I WAS GONNA PUT THE SAME SIDING, BUT THEY TOLD ME TO COMPLETELY STOP AND NOT DO ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, SO IT IS ATTACHED TO THAT DI IT'S NOT OKAY, BUT THEY SAY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ATTACHED, BUT THEY TOLD ME YOU CAN SEE.
UM, BUT THEY SAID, BECAUSE IT, IT COULD POTENTIALLY TOUCH IN SOME AREA.
AND WHERE I, THEY SAID, I THOUGHT IT WAS MOVABLE, BUT BECAUSE I PUT THE PINS DOWN IN THE, TO ANCHOR IT SO IT DIDN'T BLOW INTO JACK EVANS CHEVROLET IN THE WIND, UH, THEN IT BECAME PERMANENT.
SO THEN THEY WANTED ME TO PUT A 18 BY 24 INCH FOOTER UNDERNEATH OF IT.
AND I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T DO THAT.
SO
SO I SAID, WELL, LET ME JUST COME TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THIS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIX THESE BUILDINGS UP.
AND I, I DIDN'T GO ABOUT EVERYTHING THE RIGHT WAY.
BUT I TRULY, ON THIS ONE, I DID CALL DOWN.
I ASKED HER IF, IF IT WAS AS LONG AS IT WAS OPEN IN THE FRONT, SHE, IN HER DEFENSE, SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS GOING.
SO IT'S A TEMPORARY, IT'S A TEMPORARY YES MA'AM.
UNTIL I CAN GET THE OTHER BUILDING.
I HAVE NO INTENTION OF KEEPING THAT UP THERE.
THE OTHER ONE YOU PUT IT ON WHEELS.
HUH? WHERE YOU PUT IT ON WHEELS?
I SAID, I CAN'T SEEM TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT GUYS.
BUT I, I, I, I REALLY, THERE WAS, I TRIED TO MAKE THIS LOOK NICE.
I WAS GONNA EVEN PUT THE COMPOSITE, 'CAUSE I KNEW IT WOULD BE ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE I COULD GET EVERYTHING DONE.
IT'S IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
WE USE IT JUST TO BAKE OUR PIZZAS.
WE'RE OPEN, YOU KNOW, A FEW HOURS A DAY.
THAT'S ALL REALLY IS, IT'S, IT'S CLEARLY A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING.
YOU SAY TEMPORARY, WHAT'S SORT OF TIME PERIOD.
SO THE NEXT APPLICATION, MA'AM, THAT YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT IS WHERE I'M TRYING TO MAKE THE WAREHOUSE.
MY ONLY CONCERN WITH HOW IT'S ORIENTED RIGHT NOW IS THAT SHED STYLE ROOF IS DIRECTING EVERY BIT OF WATER THAT HITS IT RIGHT AT THE BUILDING.
AND THAT'S GONNA, WELL, AND THAT WAS DO A NUMBER ON YOUR SIDING.
UM, IT, THEY, THEY DIDN'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB ON THAT BUILDING.
SO, AND IT WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE IN THEIR DEFENSE.
IT WAS ON, THEY, THEY MADE THEM COME BACK AND DO SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE OF THE, THE VENT.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE HVAC GUY BECAUSE THEN THEY HAD TO COME, IT IF BECAME A WHOLE ORDEAL.
WE HAD TO MAKE THE HOLE BEGGAR, THEN WE HAD TO PUT FIRE CAULK AROUND IT.
WE HAVE WORKED DIRECTLY WITH DAVE HOEK AND DAVID BEAN'S OFFICE AND KEVIN, THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE MULTIPLE TIMES.
THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS ALSO BEEN OUT THERE AND THEY'RE FINE WITH IT.
BUT I HAVE NO INTENTION OF KEEPING A PERSON OUT IN THE FREEZING COLD.
IT IS MY HOPE THAT THAT GOES AWAY SOON.
AND IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET? NO, NO.
THE SIDE OF IT IS FROM, FROM STONEWALL DRIVE.
IF YOU'RE WILLING TO THROW SOME SIDING ON IT, AWESOME.
BUT I THINK PAINT AT THE MINIMUM TO MATCH THE BUILDING.
AND THEN I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT I'D STOPPED 'CAUSE THEY TOLD ME TO STOP.
AND I ALREADY WAS IN ENOUGH TROUBLE.
SO I'VE BEEN, IF YOU CAN'T MOVE IT AWAY FROM THE OTHER BUILDING, YOU NEED SOMETHING, YOU NEED A GUTTER ON THE BACKSIDE TO KEEP WATER.
AND IN ALL HONESTY, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S NOT GONNA LET ME KEEP IT THERE ANYWAY.
I'M JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU GUYS.
I WILL PAINT THIS, BUT THEY TOLD ME THEY WOULD LET ME DO IT TEMPORARILY, BUT IT CAN'T STAY THERE BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A FOOTER.
AND I CAN'T DIG UP BRAND NEW ASPHALT THAT I JUST DID THIS.
SO THAT THE ELDERLY COULD GET THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AND GET INTO THE BOOKSTORE.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GONNA SIT THERE FOR A YEAR.
SO I'M TRYING TO GET THIS APPLICATION SO THAT I CAN GET THAT OUT THERE INTO THE OTHER BUILDING.
BUT I'M GONNA PAINT IT EITHER WAY.
PAINT ON IT AND PUT A GUTTER ON THE BACK.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, SIR.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE THERE, THERE THEN.
IT IS A, IT IS NOT A GOOD PLACE TO BE WHEN THE OVEN KEEPS YOU WARM TO A POINT.
THIS TIME YOU YEAH, NO, JUST DOESN'T WORK WITHIN, YEAH.
WE NEED TO PUT A, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS.
I BELIEVE HER DISCUSSION, SHE'S, SHE'S ASKING THAT TO REMAIN THERE FOR SIX MONTHS.
IS THAT JUST WHY I CAN GET THE OTHER OH, YOU'RE NOT ABOUT TO DO THE WORK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
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SHE WANTS THE GUTTER AND THE PAINT WITHIN.BUT WE HAD NO, I MEAN, THAT'S NO PROBLEM.
THAT'S NOT UNDER OUR PURVIEW, IS IT? HOW LONG IT SIT YOU HAVE TO TURN AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO REMAIN THERE MM-HMM
DO YOU WANT JUST WHAT FOR INSTANCE IS THE, IF THE BUILDING REMAINS THERE LONGER THAN SIX MONTHS, IS IT APPROPRIATE JUST TO PAINT THE OSB BOARD? HMM.
OR IF IT'S LONGER THAN SIX MONTHS AT THAT POINT, ARE YOU WANTING
I MEAN, I DO, I, THE, THE OSB SHOULD BE FINE TO PAINT FOR THAT LONG.
UH, IF YOU ABSOLUTELY WANT ME TO PUT THE SIDING ON, IT'S JUST VERY EXPENSIVE.
I I I DO FEEL LIKE THAT IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE WORK THAT YOU DO.
SO I, I DO, I THINK THAT YOU WILL NOT BE LEAVING IT THERE.
AND I THINK I'M FINE WITH PAINT ON IT.
I BELIEVE ME, I WOULD NEVER OUT THERE 12 MONTHS AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE BACKSIDE OF THAT BUILDING THAT'S GOT THE, UM, YOU'VE ALREADY REPLACED THE SIDING.
AND I WENT WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY, VERY NICE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE YELLOW HOUSE IN THAT HOUSE, ALL THE MORE REASON TO PUT A GUTTER ON THAT.
SO I WAS GONNA SAY, IF IT RUINS HER SIDING, SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE'S GOTTA GET BACK INTO TO, TO FIX THAT.
UM, YEAH, I THINK IF WE KIND OF WORD THE MOTION TO SAY PAINT AND A GUTTER, UM, WE'LL SICE FOR NO LONGER BE 12 MONTHS.
I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE APPLICATION NUMBER 2 4 0 0 6 9 4.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER.
UM, WITH THE CONDITION OF PAINT TO MATCH AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, A GUTTER ALONG THE BACKSIDE AND NOT TO EXCEED LONGER THAN 12 MONTHS FROM TODAY.
BUT IT REALLY WON'T BE ANY GOOD TO PAINT THIS DOWN HERE YET.
THIS IS NOT A NUMERICAL ORDER.
CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY COOK ROYALTY.
SHELLY COOK FOR EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS TO HOUSE OF FUTURE KITCHEN FOR A RESTAURANT LOCATED BEHIND 2 0 1 AND 2 0 5 SOUTH RURAL AVENUE.
THE STRUCTURAL WILL BE ASSIGNED THE ADDRESS OF 10 WEST STONEWALL DRIVE, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 2087 DASH FOUR.
THAT, UH, COMES IN WITH THE, UH, BOUNDARY LINE, A VACATION OF THE TWO LOTS.
SO THE NEW, UH, LOT WILL BE 1 0 8.
IT IS IN THE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT AND OBVIOUSLY LOCATED IN HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE STAFF REPORTS CERTIFICATE, APPROPRIATE APPLICATION, HISTORIC DISTRICT SURVEY, UH, THE BUILDING, UH, EVEN THIS BUILDING HERE AT THE REAR, UH, THERE IT IS AT LOCATED THERE AT STONE.
UH, 10 STONEWALL DRIVE, WEST STONEWALL DRIVE THAT IN THE REAR, UH, THAT BUILDING WAS LISTED AS THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE REPORT.
SO, UH, THAT'S IT OUTLINED IN BLUE THERE.
SO IT IS IN REPORT AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
UH, SEVERAL ITEMS. UH, SO THERE'S SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE BUILDING.
YOU HAVE A, SHE MENTIONS A ROLL UP GARAGE DOOR ON THE PARKING LOT SIDE THERE.
UH, OTHER WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN BOARDED UP.
UH, A COUPLE DIFFERENT VIEWS WITH THAT.
UH, ANOTHER, A ROLL UP, UH, DOOR THERE ON THE STONEWALL DRIVE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND A COUPLE MORE PICTURES THERE.
UH, SHE DID GIVE AN EXPLANATION OF CHANGES REQUESTED.
UH, SO YOU NEED TO MAKE DETERMINATION THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE CLADDING MATERIAL FOR THE STRUCTURE, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
THE REMOVAL OF THE ROLL TOP ROLL UP DOOR AND PLACE IT WITH A STANDARD DOOR REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
NOW MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE BOARDED UP AND I HAVE A PICTURE OF WHAT I'M INTENDING TO DO THAT.
AND THE, UH, REMOVE THE FRONT ROLLUP DOOR AND PLACE IT WITH A NEW GLASS
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AND WOOD AND METAL ROLLUP DOOR.UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACK IS THE GUIDELINE WORKSHEET FOR EVALUATION OF THIS PROJECT.
SO AGAIN, UH, I'M SORRY, GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION THERE FOR YOU.
SO PICTURES OF THE BUILDING IN THE WINDOWS ARE BOARDED UP, CHANGES TO THE DOOR AND A, UH, RENDERING OF, UH, WHAT THE PROJECT COULD LOOK LIKE OR THE INTENTIONS, WHAT THE PROJECT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE ROLL UP DOOR WITH GLASS AND WOOD AND METAL.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LADDER PLEASE? THE SLIDE.
SO WORK HAS NOT STARTED ON THIS PROJECT.
I CHOSE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MINIMALLY EVASIVE TO CHANGE.
SO IF YOU LOOK, IT'S JUST THE, IT ALMOST LOOKS THE SAME.
IT'S THE BLACK AT THE TOP IS ALL I DID.
UM, I WOULD KEEP THE BUILDING THE CINDER BLOCK AND THE YELLOW REPLACE THE, THE WOOD.
UM, MAKE IT HAVE SOME WOOD SIDING IN THE FRONT SO THAT IT IS AESTHETICALLY, UM, PLEASING.
SO I DID WANT SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT COMPLEMENT THE STRUCTURE, BUT YET STILL LOOK, KEEP THE SHAPE.
I KEPT THAT SAME STEP DOWN SHAPE AND JUST PAINTED IT AND TRIED TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE.
IT'S NOT EASY TO, IT'S, I SUSPECT THAT STONEWALL FACADE IS PROBABLY WHAT PUSHED IT INTO, IF YOU GO BACK TO A COUPLE PICTURES, YOU'LL SEE HOW THAT STEP DOWN IS THE SAME RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN IF YOU GO FORWARD, YOU CAN SEE IF I CHANGED THAT BLACK AT THE TOP, UM, THEN I WOULD JUST DO THE CEDAR AND PUT A GLASS, UH, LIKE A ROLL UP GLASS DOOR.
I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT ONE WINDOW IN THE FRONT BY THE TREE AND MAKE THAT A REGULAR DOOR FOR ENTRY.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT WOULD ALL REMAIN THE SAME.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT TYPE OF DOOR YOU'RE PLANNING.
IT'S UH, IS THAT WHAT THE SECOND ONE ON? SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA USE THAT SAME WINDOW? YES.
I'M TRYING TO USE THE SAME WIDTH.
YOU SEE HOW THAT IS? SO IT'S KIND OF WIDE.
WOULD BE ANOTHER ROLL UP DOOR.
I TRIED IN THE LEFT IS NOT ROLL UP, IS IT? NO, IT'S ACTUALLY, BUT IT'S A DOUBLE DOOR.
SO THE WIDTH OF THAT WINDOW WOULD STAY THE SAME.
WE WOULD JUST CUT IT OUT A LITTLE HIGHER AND THEN IT WOULD BE A GLASS KIND OF, NOT A STOREFRONT, BUT A PUSH GLASS LIKE YOU PUSH IN.
SO YOU WOULD RETAIN THE SHAPE OF THE YES.
OPENING THAT'S BEEN BOARDED UP, BUT JUST MAKE IT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND.
I'D HAVE TO GO A LITTLE HIGHER TOO.
IT'S NOT QUITE HIGH ENOUGH FOR THAT.
THERE'S A OTHER WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN BOARDED UP.
ARE THEY, ARE THOSE ORIGINAL WINDOWS STILL THERE? NO, THEY'RE GONE.
AND THE, THE ROOF IS FALLING IN TOO.
UM, I'VE GOTTA GET THAT FIXED.
THERE'S SEVERAL TRUSSES, UM, THAT ARE NOT GOOD.
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING FOR REPLACEMENTS FOR THE OTHER WINDOWS? I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP IT AS, AS SIMILAR AS I CAN TO WHAT WAS THERE.
BUT IT'S VERY HARD BECAUSE IT'S CINDER BLOCK AND IT'S, I I, I GUESS I WOULD LOOK FROM YOU GUYS AS TO WHAT YOU THINK YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THERE.
WELL IT HAD THESE REALLY BEAUTIFUL CASEMENT WINDOWS FROM THIS.
WERE THEY METAL? THERE'S ALSO NO, THEY'RE WOOD CASE WINDOWS.
WHAT DID THEY SLIDE CASE CAN'T TELL.
THEY MIGHT BE METAL, BUT IT'S A PRETTY DEEP METAL.
IT'S A VERY DEEP, THOSE WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS HAD METAL WINDOWS.
THEY'D BE METAL JAM DEEP THOUGH.
THAT'S 'CAUSE IT'S A BLACK WALL.
THAT'S REALLY, I DON'T THINK METAL WOULD LOOK BAD THERE AS LONG AS I COULD KEEP IT BLACK BECAUSE LOOKING DEEP THE BOTTOM, I COULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
USUALLY THE, THE STEEL CASE THIN ALL WAY AROUND.
THERE'S DARK GREEN AC ALL TAKE THOSE ARE WOOD.
WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO, UM, PUTTING METAL IN THOUGH? OR DO YOU WANT NO, I'M FINE WITH THAT I THINK.
BUT PUTTING CASEMENT WINDOWS IN IT WOULD BE, YEAH.
WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO FOR SURE.
I THINK FOR THE, THE WIDTH AND THE HEIGHT, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE MY ONLY OPTION, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET A STANDARD.
I MEAN, I GUESS YOU COULD HAVE 'EM MADE, BUT I CAN'T AFFORD THAT.
UM, THIS IS JUST THE WAY THAT I CAN, I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP IT, UH, VERY MUCH LIKE WHAT IT IS WITH THE CONCRETE FLOORS, THE CENTER BLOCK WALLS.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO, YOU KNOW, PUT LIPSTICK ON A PIG AS THEY SAY.
I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
AND THEN THE PIZZA OVEN WILL BE IN THE REAR.
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BUT I TRIED MY BEST TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK NICE, BUT WITH A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF CHANGE.SO THEN WE WOULD JUST KEEP THE PAINT THE SAME ON THE SIDES AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD CHANGE WOULD BE THE FRONT.
AND IT'S GOT A METAL ROOF ON IT RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU'RE PUTTING A NEW METAL ROOF ON IT.
YOU'RE PUTTING A TRUE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON OR ARE YOU DOING LIKE THAT SHED STYLE METAL ROOF? I HAVEN'T REALLY PRICED IT OUT YET, SO I CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU.
I WAS GONNA TRY THE BEST I COULD TO REPLACE IT WITH WHAT IT IS AND, OKAY.
SO WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? WELL, THE, THE METAL ROOF, IF SHE'S REPLACING LIGHT FOR LIGHT STANDING, SEEN WITHSTANDING METAL SEEN, THEN THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADMINISTRATIVE.
WELL, WHAT I'M SEEING A LOT AROUND TOWN IS PEOPLE THAT HAD UPSTANDING SEA METAL ROOFS, METAL ARE PUTTING THAT FAKE SHED ROOF STUFF ON.
'CAUSE IT'S MUCH, MUCH CHEAPER.
GIANT PANELS AND IT LOOKS LIKE HELL, IT'S UM, OH NO, I'M NOT DOING THAT.
I HAVE A, A METAL GUY THAT'S COMING TO PUT THE THREE FORM.
SO IF IT'S, IT IS, IF IT'S ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, I DID THE SAME THING ON THE HOUSE.
IF YOU GO BY THE YELLOW HOUSE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A CURRENT PICTURE OF THAT.
IT WOULD BE THE SAME METAL ROOF AS WHAT I DID ON THE YELLOW, WHICH IS HOUSE.
SO FOR THIS, WHAT YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION ON IS THE TYPE OF, SORRY, WHETHER OR NOT THIS GARAGE DOOR, THIS ROLL OF METAL GLASS GARAGE DOOR WITH THE BLACK FRAME UHHUH IS APPROPRIATE.
WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BOTH ENLARGE THAT WINDOW, OPENING UHHUH TO A DOOR AND USE A BLACK METAL AND GLASS.
'CAUSE SHE'S GOT CONFORM TO THE COMMERCIAL STANDARDS, THAT'S GONNA BE A THING.
THEN POTENTIALLY WANNA LOOK AT THOSE WINDOWS AND SPECIFY CASEMENT WINDOWS THAT ARE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.
AND, YOU KNOW, METAL WOOD, WHATEVER YOUR PREROGATIVE IS.
UM, AND, AND TO ADDRESS THE OPENING, LIKE NO ENLARGING THE OPENINGS RIGHT ON THOSE, THE OTHER BACK DOOR.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GONNA SAY, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE KITCHEN IS GONNA BE IN THE BACK.
I FORGOT TO SAY THAT IN THE REAR.
I HAVE TO, UM, CHANGE THAT DOOR SOMEWHAT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CLOSE THAT IN.
I PERSONALLY AM OKAY CLOSING THAT ONE IN.
IF THE SIZE OF THE OPENING ON THE FRONT DOESN'T CHANGE, IT'S NOT, I'M GONNA, I'M DOING A GLASS DOOR THERE, THAT ONE I HAVE TO DO BECAUSE OF THE KITCHEN.
AND UM, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT BACK BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PUT THE UNITS FOR THAT AIR.
THE, THE VENT FOR THE PIZZA OVEN, IT HAS TO COME OUT AND IT CAN'T HAVE THAT MUCH AIR THAT COMES INTO THE BACK.
SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA FLOCK IT UP AND PUT A NORMAL DOOR.
YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF MATERIAL YOU WANT THIS CLOSED IN WITH.
I'M GONNA USE CINDER BLOCK, THE SAME THING.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE EIGHT LIGHTED, YOU KNOW, CASEMENT WINDOWS, I THINK.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY LIGHTS ARE ON THOSE ONES? SIX.
PARDON ME? SO EACH SASH HAS SIX LIGHTS.
THAT WAS THE, I THINK THE STANDARD BACK THEN.
I, I REMEMBER IT WAS WHEN I WAS WALKING DOWN THE ALLEY, IT WAS THAT GREEN, THAT DARK GREEN BED.
I REMEMBER THEY HAD, THEY HAD HIM IN SCHOOL.
LEFT THE, THE NEW, THE NEW PEOPLE DOOR ON THE FRONT.
I'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE THE SAME MATERIAL IT MADE OF THE SAME MATERIAL AS YOUR ROLLUP DOOR.
IT'S VERY HARD BECAUSE YOU SEE HOW THAT, HOW IT'S SEPARATED, IT'S, IT'S HARD.
IT BECOMES, UM, SO YOU HAVE TO DO A GLASS DOOR AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THAT PIECE OF GLASS MADE ON THE OTHER SIDE TO KEEP IT THAT SIZE.
THE, THE A, B, C CONSULTANTS AND THE ANDERSON GENTLEMAN, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN DO TO HELP ME WITH THAT.
BE LIKE AN OFFSET SIDE LIGHT KIND DEAL.
IT'S A PEOPLE DOOR WITH A SIDE LIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.
AND THE SIDE LIGHT IS FIXED IN PLACE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
I'M TRYING NOT TO MAKE IT TOO MUCH WIDER, BUT I HAVE TO KEEP THAT.
WAIT, I THOUGHT YOU SAID JUST TALLER.
IT'S, IT HAS TO BE A LITTLE WIDER THAN WHAT THAT IS IN ORDER FOR IT TO FIT.
IF YOU LOOK, I'M HOPING THAT IT COULD BE THE SAME SIZE, BUT IF, IF YOU SEE, GO BACK TO THAT.
THERE'S NO WAY TO MAKE THAT FIT INTO WHAT YOU JUST SAW.
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THAT LOOKS WIDER THAN A PEOPLE DOOR.WELL, LET'S A PEOPLE DOOR WITH A NARROW SIDE LANE.
I'M GONNA DO THE BEST I CAN TO STICK BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA GO ANY MORE THAN I HAVE TO EITHER SIX INCHES OR WHATEVER.
I'M INCLINED NOT, I'M INCLINED TO LEAVE, BE OPEN TO LEAVING THE, LETTING THE HEIGHT CHANGE.
BUT I WOULD BARELY LIKE TO SEE THE WIDTH STAY THE SAME.
I THINK YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIT THE DOOR TO THE WIDTH OF THAT OPENING AND IF YOU'VE GOTTA GO HIGHER, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STICK TO THE, THE WIDTH.
AND YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE THE OTHER WINDOW, RIGHT? SHELLY? BEHIND THE TREE? YEAH.
IT'LL JUST BE A REGULAR WINDOW.
SO IT'LL BE THAT DOOR AND THEN THE OTHER DOOR IN THE FRONT.
AND THEN PAINT THE TOP BLACK AND THEN PUT CEDAR SIDING ON THE REST OF IT AROUND.
WHEN YOU SAY THE TOP, WHERE'S THE DIVIDING LINE? AT THE TOP OF THE DOOR OR? YEAH, IT'S THE TOP OF THE DOOR.
CAN WE SEE THAT PICTURE AGAIN? SO YOU'RE PUTTING CEDAR SIDING OVER THE CI JUST A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S ACTUALLY MADE OF LIKE A COMPOSITE.
IT'S NOT TRU CEDAR, WHICH IS REVERSIBLE.
WELL THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN YOUR MOTION IF YOU'RE GONNA PERMIT DECIDING.
I'D LOVE TO, I'D LOVE TO KNOW IS THE DECIDING MATERIAL, YOU SAID IT WAS A COMPOSITE.
WELL, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPECIFY THE BRAND AND THE MOTION.
I MEAN, I HAVEN'T EVEN, I JUST CAME TO GET THE APPROVAL.
I'M JUST TRYING WHAT EXACTLY WE WERE DOING.
'CAUSE WE, I MEAN I'LL JUST PUT REGULAR CEDAR, THEN WE GOT A BULLET POINT ALL THIS STUFF OUT.
'CAUSE CEDAR CAN JUST COME RIGHT OFF IF I HAVE TO.
IT SOUNDS LIKE PRETTY WEATHER RESISTANT TOO.
SO YOU WOULD USE LIKE WHAT? LIKE DUTCH LAP CEDAR? YEAH.
WELL IT'S JUST, IT'S A CEDAR SIDING.
THEY COME IN ALL DIFFERENT SHAPES AND SIZES.
SO I WOULD USE THE PLANKS JUST LIKE SHOWN.
JUST LIKE IN YOUR, IN YOUR IMAGE.
THAT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT A SEVEN.
THAT'S LIKE A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A DUTCH LAB.
SO THIS, UM, I NEED TO, I NEED TO POINT 'CAUSE I CAN'T TALK GOOD
THIS, THIS DOOR RIGHT HERE WOULD BE YOUR PEOPLE DOOR.
BUT THIS TRANS, THIS SIDE LIGHT HERE WOULD BE QUITE A BIT NARROWER, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT AT ALL BECAUSE IF WE DON'T MAKE IT WIDER, IT'LL JUST BE THE DOOR.
I THINK YOUR DOOR PEOPLE WILL BE BE ABLE TO COPY WITH THAT.
AND THEN THE, THE WOOD WOULD, IT WOULD, I'M GONNA DO THE BEST I CAN TO MAKE IT MATCH THAT IMAGE.
WE LIKE IT NEEDS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, CEDAR DUCK LAB SIDING.
COULD THEY SAY SEE IMAGE WITH CEDAR SIDING? WELL, IT'S DIFFICULT.
YOU CAN'T JUST LIKE DOWN THE ROAD IF AND ABOVE, WE'RE NOT HERE TOMORROW.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA PAINT THE EXISTING.
THEY'LL PUT THAT STRIP THAT'S JUST LIKE THAT AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE A STRIP THAT STOPS IT AND THEN IT'LL BE PAINT.
ARE THOSE THE LIGHT FIXTURES YOU'RE DEPENDING ON USING? YES.
WILL IT BE TWO OR ONE OR TWO? AND YOU'RE GONNA PAINT IT BLACK.
THE CINDER BLOCK AND YES, YOU NEED TO MAKE A LIST.
HOW MANY LIGHTS DID YOU WANT? OR HOW MANY? SIX PER SASH.
YOU WANT WALK? I GET A COPY OF THIS.
SHOULD WE BE EVEN MORE SPECIFIC AND SAY TWO OVER THREE? WE'LL ISSUE YOU A LETTER TWO OVER THREE WITH EVERY DETAIL ON THAT.
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SIX LIGHT BUT SO THAT YOU DON'T GETWELL I WOULD JUST SAY SIX LIGHTS.
GOOD THING I BROUGHT A PENCIL.
YOU CAN ALSO SAY, SEE THE 1993 SURVEY PHOTO FOR, THERE YOU GO.
A REFERENCE METAL OR WOOD CA STYLE WINDOWS.
SIX LIGHTS PER S PLACEMENT OF ROLL UP.
INFILL REAR ROLL UP DOOR WITH CINDER BLOCK.
UH, DON'T KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, THAT'S NOT A STANDARD METAL DOOR WOULD BE FINE BACK THERE.
I THINK THE BUILDING CODE WOULD DICTATE THE SIZE ON THAT.
IT'LL DICTATE THAT IT'S GOTTA BE STEEL OR SOMETHING.
A STANDARD DOOR PER OR DOOR PER BUILDING.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PAINT COLOR.
SO I MEAN, WOULD THAT BE THE, THE EASTER, THE EAST DOOR? THE EAST WINDOW ON THE PRO SIDE? YEAH.
SO AT THE DOOR IN BILL, IT HAS TO REMAIN THE EXISTING WIDTH LAST DOOR, THE GLASS SIDE.
TO MATCH THE ROLL, YOU KNOW, MATCH THE STYLE OF THE ROLL UP DOOR ON THE FRONT.
THAT RIGHT ADD, WHAT ARE WE CALLING THIS SIGN? WE CALL THAT A DUTCH LAP.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TALL THAT IS.
IF YOU WANNA GIVE HER SOME LEEWAY, YOU CAN SAY BETWEEN FIVE TO SEVEN OR FIVE TO EIGHT INCHES AND WIDTH.
I'M JUST SAY SAYING DUTCH LAUGHING BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO YEAH, YOU CAN GET THAT REAL YEAH.
I THINK THAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK NICE.
THE WIRES BETWEEN FIVE AND SEVEN.
SO DO YOU WANT TO PUT A HEIGHT ON HOW FAR UP THE DUTCH SIDING CAN GO? IT'S GONNA GO UP TO THE TOP OF THE ROLL UP DOOR.
THERE, THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM ABOVE IT.
YOU COULD SAY NOT TO EXCEED HEIGHT AT THE ROLL UP DOOR.
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ALMOST CONTEMPORARY LIGHT HAND TURN, LAN TURN LIGHTS ABOVE AND YOU'RE PUTTING BOTH LIGHTS ABOVE THE, THE PEOPLE DOOR OR ONE ABOVE THE ROLL UP AND ONE ABOVE THE PEOPLE DOOR.UM, I HAD PLANNED ON JUST DOING IT ON THE PEOPLE DOOR.
ARE YOU PUTTING LIGHTS ABOVE THE WINDOWS? MM-HMM.
I WAS GONNA TRY TO KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD BE WELL ENOUGH LIT WITH THE TWO LIGHTS THAT YOU SHOULD GET.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE A STREETLIGHT.
SO I'M TRYING TO NOT MAKE IT, I JUST WONDERING ANY MORE EVASIVE THAN I HAVE TO.
SO WONDERING, I THINK THAT MAKES IT CLASSY.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE WIDTH OF THAT OPENING LIKE IT IS IN THAT PHOTO.
NO, I, I DON'T GOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO.
I, I WON'T KNOW AESTHETICALLY UNTIL I, I GET TO SEE IT, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO MORE THAN TWO.
I'M GOING TO, NOT EVERYONE SHOOT ME, BUT THIS IS SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN.
UM, SHELLY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT TYPE OF SIGNAGE THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT ON THIS BUILDING? OR, I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I I, I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
BUT YOU BECAUSE AT, AT THIS POINT, AM I ALLOWED TO DO LIKE JUST A BANNER THAT'S ACROSS THE TOP HORN? AM I ALLOWED THAT ATTACHES TO THE BUILDING? KIND OF LIKE THE KELLER WILLIAMS DID.
AM I ALLOWED? ITS JUST LIKE, THIS IS JUST LIKE THE HOO BOBBY'S PLACE, ISN'T IT? THE SIGNS ARE GONNA NEED TO BE SEPARATE SO WHEN SHE COMES BACK FOR THE SIDING, SHE CAN COME BACK TO SIGNS.
SO YOU DO HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THE OKAY.
SHE, WHEN YOU COME BACK TO THE SIDING FOR THE OTHER BUILDING, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
BUT THE SIGNS ARE GONNA REQUIRE REVIEW.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SUBMIT THE PLANS.
IT'S NOT JUST A OFF THE CUFF THING BECAUSE I WAS JUST PLANNING TO GET LIKE A METAL SIGN AND THAT'S FLAT AND JUST SAYS POPPY'S PLACE AND PUT IT RIGHT ON.
I WAS JUST GONNA TRY TO PUT IT RIGHT IN THE BLACK AND SAY POPPY'S PLACE.
I WASN'T GONNA GONNA DO ANY BELLS AND WHISTLES.
I WASN'T TRYING TO MAKE IT ELABORATE.
IT'S ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE KNEW IT WAS A RESTAURANT.
SO POPPY'S PLACE RESTAURANT
SO, SO SHE HAS TO COME BACK WITH A SEPARATE APPLICATION FOR THE SIGN.
AND THERE ARE GUIDELINES ABOUT SIGNS.
I NEED AN ASSISTANT JUST TO READ THE, SO DO I HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THE SIDING? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID UP TO ON THE OTHER BUILDING? OKAY.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE JUST DID THE LAP SIDE AND THAT'S WHY I WAS OKAY.
WELL PAINT FROM THE TOP OF THE CEDAR SIDE TO THE PARA.
IT, THAT'S PART OF THIS, RIGHT? YES.
BUT I DON'T THINK, DID WE GET INTO THE BUSINESS PAINT? IT DEPENDS ON HOW SIGNIFICANT OF A PAINT CHANGE.
I MEAN, BLACK PAINT IS, OH, A WHOLE BUNCH OF BLACK PAINT IS A SIGNIFICANT, IF YOU'RE, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE MUCH.
SEE THE HEIGHT OF THE DOOR IS HOW TALL THE CEDAR'S GONNA BE.
IF YOU WANNA INCLUDE THE CHANGE FROM YELLOW OR TAN, WHATEVER THAT IS TO BLACK TO THE MOTION.
HERE MY QUESTION, YOU'RE GOING BLACK OUT THE DARK GREEN FROM MY DAUGHTER.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THIS SIDE, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT BOTH SIDES.
IS THE CEDAR GONNA COME ALL THE WAY OVER TO HERE? YES.
IT'S GONNA COME TO THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE DOOR.
RIGHT, BUT HOW FAR HERE? ALL THE WAY HERE? YES.
AND LEFT ABOVE THE WHOLE FRONT FACADE WILL BE THE WHOLE FRONT BECAUSE THAT WAY I CAN CAP IT ON THE SIDES.
YOU DOING ANYTHING WITH THE PARAPET AT ALL? I'M SORRY? ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING WITH THE PARAPET WHILE YOU'RE DOING THE CHAIR PARAPET? I'M SORRY.
THE ROOF'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARAPET.
IT'S THE, IT'S JUST THE, THE TOP PORTION OF THAT WALL WHERE THOSE STONES, THAT IT'S THE WALL ABOVE THE ROOF.
IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE ROOF, YOU'LL SEE THE BACKSIDE OF A PIECE OF THE WALL.
I'M AND WHERE IT STICKS UP IS
NOW I DIDN'T PLAN TO DO ANYTHING, BUT IF IT'S BROKEN I'LL HAVE TO, WELL USUALLY THOSE ARE PROBABLY CAPSTONES OF SOME KIND.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS METAL ON IT OR NOT.
BUT IT'S USUALLY SEGMENTED STONE.
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YES SIR.AND THERE'S A JOINT IN BETWEEN EACH STONE AND THAT THEY USUALLY FILL 'EM UP WITH CLOCK AND THAT CLOCK FAILS AND ALL THE WATER COMES INTO THE WALL AND RUINS YOUR BUILDING.
SO IT'S JUST, WELL, I'LL PROBABLY GUESS THAT WE DO FLASHING THAT PROBABLY FLASH IT, I WOULD ASSUME WHEN WE DO THE ROOF, SO OKAY.
IS THAT MORE OF A MAINTENANCE THING? IT'S A MAINTENANCE THING, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU, IF SHE'S GONNA CLAD THEM.
OH, WITH METAL AT A, THAT'S AN AESTHETIC THING.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU, YOU WERE CONSIDERING THAT WITH THE METAL ROOF, BUT I HONESTLY HADN'T CONSIDERED ANY OF IT.
BUT I, I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN WE GET IN THERE THAT THEY'LL CAULK IT AND DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE ROOF.
I WOULD FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE BETTER 'CAUSE OF THE BLOCK THAT WOULD PARGE IT.
BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT WE GET UP THERE, DO I HAVE TO COME BACK? IF THEY HAVE TO FLASH IT? UM, I DON'T KNOW.
BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST BE, IT WOULD CONTINUE AS PART OF THE ROOF.
IT'S, IT'S, IT WOULDN'T BE LIGHT FOR LIGHT.
WOULD BE MORE THAN JUST PAYMENT.
I WOULD JUST HAVE TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE EXTENT OF THE DAMAGES.
IF IT'S TOO MUCH AND THEY GET UP THERE TO DO THE ROOF AND THEY SAY, HEY, YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING OR IT'S GONNA CRUMBLE.
THEN I'D HAVE TO JUST CALL AND LET WELL KNOW AND I GUESS I'D HAVE TO COME BACK.
I MEAN I CAN ONLY DO, NO I AT THIS POINT NOBODY'S ASSESSED IT.
THEY, THEY HAVEN'T SAID THERE'S ANY PROBLEM.
THEY GOT UP THERE TO LOOK AT THE ROOF AND THAT'S WHEN THEY TOLD ME THE ROOF WAS, HAD TO COMPLETELY COME OFF AND SEVERAL OF THE TRUSSES HAVE TO BE REPLACED ON THE INSIDE BECAUSE THEY HAVE, UM, FAILED.
IT'S ALWAYS WITH, I DON'T TAKE EASY ONES ON
ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO END THIS LIST? I DON'T THINK SO.
THIS ONE'S GONNA BE PRETTY SIGNED BUT SINCE THAT'S GONNA BE A SEPARATE APPLICATION, WE'LL REMOVE THAT.
YOU LUCKY THAT'S NOT MY, LET'S HOPE IF I CAN READ IT.
UM, AND THEN I HAVE 2 4 0 0 7 1 OH.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE APPLICATION NUMBER 2 4 0 0 7 1 0 AS SUBMITTED.
THE CONDITION OF AS SUBMITTED ON THE CONDITION OF THE FOLLOWING AS STANDING SEED METAL, ROOF METAL OR WOOD CASEMENT STYLE WINDOWS WITH SIX LIGHTS PER SASH.
INFILL THE REAR ROLL UP DOOR WITH CINDER BLOCK AND ADD A STANDARD DOOR PER BUILDING CODE.
REPLACE THE FRONT ROLL UP DOOR WITH A METAL AND GLASS BLACK FRAME DOOR.
REPLACE EAST WINDOW ON THE FRONT FACADE WITH A DOOR AND SIDE LIGHT TO MATCH THE ROLL UP AND KEEPING TO THE CURRENT WIDTH OF THE EXISTING WINDOW.
ADD DUTCH LAPS, CEDAR SIDING, FIVE TO SEVEN INCHES TO THE FRONT FACADE, NOT TO EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE ROLL-UP DOOR AND PAINT BLACK ABOVE THE CEDAR SIDING.
AND AT THE ADDITION OF UP TO TWO BLACK LANTERN STYLE LIGHTS ABOVE THE ENTRANCE FOR PEOPLE.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SIGNAGE 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK ABOUT THAT.
WELL THEN I'LL SECOND THE, THE MOTION.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY AND SHOOT FOR A WORK SESSION NEXT MONTH.
HOPEFULLY KATIE CAN MAKE THAT ONE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE KATIE'S PHONE NUMBER? I DO.
COULD YOU SEND IT TO ME? I COULD JUST CHECK IN AND, UM, ON THE RECORD.
LAUREN, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO EMAIL SHELLY THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES? YES.
YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT RESOURCE.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE THREE WINDOW RESOURCES.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS LIKE AN OFFICE DOCUMENT THAT COULD BE SHARED? THEY ADDED THEM.
WEREN'T THOSE ADDED TO OUR, I BELIEVE THEY GOT ADDED SOMEWHERE WHERE THE PUBLIC COULD ACCESS THEM.
THE RESOURCES THAT YOU ALL FOUND AFTER THAT SHOULD
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BE ON OUR WEBSITE, I BELIEVE.I THINK THEY GOT ADDED TO THE WEBSITE.
THAT NEEDS TO BE LIKE A RUNNING LIST THAT, YOU KNOW, EACH TIME THESE ISSUES COME UP, WE CAN, WE NEED TO START, I MEAN, YOU CAN GO TO LOWE'S AND ORDER A WOOD WINDOW, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE SPECIALTY STUFF, YOU KNOW? YES.
STUFF THAT'S NOT EXACTLY AT LOW'S.
IT, THERE'S, THERE'S MUCH MORE AVAILABLE.
YOU JUST GOTTA, YOU GOTTA HUNT AND PECK FOR IT AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND IS, BECAUSE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU COLIN, IS OUR, UM, OUR ARCHITECTURAL OLD HOUSE CART STORE A RESOURCE FOR FACEBOOK THAT SURE.
BEFORE HE MOVED HE HAD SCADS AND SCADS OF WINDOWS AND DOORS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE CHANCES.
THE CHANCES OF FINDING WINDOWS MULTIPLES THAT ARE SIMILAR.
BUT IT SEEMED LIKE I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THERE AND I FEEL LIKE YOU'D HAVE, I MEAN, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR TWO THAT NEED TO GO BACK IN HER FRONT BUILDING, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST PLACE I WOULD START.
SO MAYBE IS THERE A PROBLEM LISTING THEM AS A RESOURCE ALSO A LOCAL BUSINESS? YEAH, A LOCAL BUSINESS.
THEN WE GOTTA GET EVERY, GET THE APPLICANTS OVER THE HUMP.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE TERROR OF RESTORATION.
YOU MENTIONED, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT FIXING THE WINDOWS TO PEOPLE? AND THEY'RE JUST LIKE, AH, BUT I'M, I'M THIS CLOSE TO OFFERING CLASSES AT MY SHOP.
DIDN'T I TELL YOU I WANTED TO GO TO ONE AND IT WAS LIKE $5,000 IN FLORIDA? YEAH.
AND IF I HAD TIME, IF I WASN'T MOVING, I WOULD GO JUST TO LEARN.
IT'S, I BELIEVE I COULD DO IT IF SOMEONE TAUGHT ME.
SO YOU'RE GONNA EMAIL THE GUIDELINES TO HER AND ADD THE ARCHITECTURAL OLD HOUSE PARTS TO OUR WEBSITE FOR OUR RESOURCE.
SO ARE YOU SENDING THAT TO HER BY EMAIL? I CAN.
WILL YOU JUST MENTION THAT THE RESOURCES ARE ON THE WEBSITE? MM.
OH, I'M, I'LL MAKE SURE WHEN I EMAIL COPY FILE YOU ALL HAVE A EMAIL THAT YOU CAN DO THIS.
UNLESS WE'RE DOING A WORK SESSION BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING.
NO, I THINK WE STICK TO THE PLAN THAT WE HAD THIS TIME AND DO IT BEFORE.
BEFORE 5:00 PM YEAH, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
UM, ONE, DO YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? DOY I MOVE TO ADJOURN DE THIS? SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION.