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I'M GONNA CALL THE TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR WORK SESSION[Town Council Work Session on January 9, 2025.]
FOR MONDAY, JANUARY 9TH, WHICH IS A RESCHEDULE FROM, UH, OUR, OUR JANUARY 6TH MEETING.SHE SAID I WAS READING IT THURSDAY, JANUARY 9TH, WHICH IS A RESCHEDULE BECAUSE OF, OF, OF WEATHER.
UM, REMINDER, ROLL CALL HAS BEEN CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
COUNCILMAN DE DEMON PAYNE? HERE.
COUNCILMAN OR COUNCILWOMAN AUGH.
SO THE FIRST SITE, WE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, WORK SESSION OF THE YEAR.
THIS IS WHEN WE HAVE A, UM, SEVERAL OF OUR KIND OF, I WON'T CALL THEM HOUSEKEEPING THINGS, BUT JUST CHANGES 'CAUSE IT'S A NEW YEAR.
SO, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE APPOINTMENT OF VICE MAYOR.
SO ITEM MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION OR MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPOINT COUNCILWOMAN AS VICE KNOWLEDGE VICE MAYOR FOR OKAY.
YOU HAVE SECOND NOW? YEAH, SHE SECOND IT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I, THIS HAPPENED IN THE PAST FOR ME.
DO, IS THIS A TIME WHERE I'M, AM I SUPPOSED TO ASK FOR OTHER, OR YOU HAVE TO VOTE THIS ONE FIRST AND THEN MOVE ON.
BUT DO YOU, DO YOU RECALL THE YEAR THAT SOMEBODY SAID YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR ALL THE THINGS FIRST, BUT THEN THEY SAID IN THE END IT WAS, TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.
UM, WHAT'S THE, THE HEAR ALL THE THINGS I DIDN'T NO, THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT.
IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER, I THINK ONCE A MOTION'S ON THE FLOOR, THAT HAS TO BE ANSWERED.
BUT I, AS I SAID, THE YEAR OF WHATEVER, 2021, THERE WAS CONFUSION BECAUSE, UM, THEY TOOK IT JUST LIKE NOMINATIONS VERSUS AN APPOINTMENT OR A MOTION.
SO IS IT BECAUSE THERE'S A MOTION YOU HAVE TO ANSWER, ANSWER THAT.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.
SO THERE'S A MOTION ON FLOOR AND, UM, A SECOND.
AND SO THERE'S DISCUSSION, RIGHT? SO, ANY DISCUSSION, MADAM MAYOR? UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCILMAN INGRAM.
I AM THE SENIOR MOST MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL.
UM, I WAS INTERESTED IN THE VICE MAYOR POSITION THE LAST TIME IT CAME UP.
HOWEVER, I CHOSE TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE MOTION TO APPOINT VICE MAYOR SEA SEAWALK, AND I'VE SUPPORTED HIM IN BOTH OF HIS ELECTION CAMPAIGNS.
UM, I THINK AS EVERYBODY IS WELL AWARE, THIS IS MY LAST TIME SERVING THE TOWN IN MY TENURE CURRENTLY FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
UM, AND IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO SERVE AS THE VICE MAYOR.
AND I HAVE SHOWN OVER THE LAST TWO, UM, TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN ELECTED MY COMPETENCY OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER AND MY EFFICIENCY TO BE ABLE TO RUN A MEETING IN THE CASE OF YOUR ABSENCE AND EFFECTIVELY RUN A MEETING.
UM, SO I'M HONORED TO BE NOMINATED FOR IT.
AND THANK YOU TO COUNCILMAN INGRAM AND COUNCILWOMAN DEIDA, MONICA KING.
I KNOW LAST TIME I CHOSE TO SET MY PRIDE ASIDE AND IT WASN'T BECAUSE I WASN'T FIT FOR THE JOB, IT WAS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ON COUNCIL AT THAT TIME PERSONALLY DIDN'T LIKE ME.
AND I HAVE SHOWN THAT I WILL AND HAVE CONTINUED TO WORK FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY, UM, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR PERSONAL OPINIONS ARE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I, UM, I'M JUST GONNA OFFER THIS DISCUSSION JUST FOR YOU ALL.
IF YOU, UM, WHICH I'M SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS ALREADY, BUT THIS IS MORE FOR THE PUBLIC.
SO THE VICE MAYOR'S ROLE IS AN APPOINTMENT BY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THEY ACT IN THE ABSENCE OF THE MAYOR.
UM, I WAS VERY BLESSED, AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO SAY I SHOULD PROBABLY KNOCK ON WOOD, BUT I, UM, DURING MY TIME, MY FIRST TERM, MS. MAYOR, I NEVER, UM, HAD TO MISS A MEETING.
UM, I SERVED AS THE VICE MAYOR PRIOR TO THAT, AND I, UM, LED MANY MEETINGS.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, JUST FOR PEOPLE'S KNOWLEDGE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ACTION ITEM? ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO ROLL CALL.
REMEMBER, THIS ROLL CALL HAS CHANGED AS WELL.
SO THEY, THEY'RE NOT IN THE SAME ORDER.
ROLL CALL IS DIFFERENT THAN ROLL CALL FOR ACTION.
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COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES.UM, JUST FOR MY KNOWLEDGE, SO IT'S BACKWARDS FOR ACTION ITEMS? YES.
I MEAN, UH, OPPOSITE OF ALPHABETICAL ORDER.
AND IT, THAT'S WHY I KEPT KIND OF WAITING FOR WHO SHE WAS GONNA CALL AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE, FIGURE IT OUT.
AND IT'S GOOD TO CHANGE THAT EVERY YEAR.
GOOD THING FOR ACTION ITEMS, BUT IS ROLL CALL ALPHABET ROLL CALL? THAT'S JUST PRESENT.
GONNA BE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND THEN ALPHABET.
SORRY, I JUST WANT TO, FOR MY KNOWLEDGE.
SO, UM, WE, UM, SO ACTION ITEMS THREE A.
SO THIS IS SETTING THE REGULAR MEETING AGENDAS ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR 2025.
AND AGAIN, AGAIN, THIS IS PROBABLY MORE SO FOR, UM, THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE.
BUT, UM, EACH YEAR IN JANUARY, WE DETERMINE WHAT OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS IS AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT WE START WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHETHER OR NOT WE GO WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT IT HAS CHANGED IN MY TIME WHILE I SERVED ON TOWN COUNCIL.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THE LAST TIME, OR THE LAST TIME WE MADE THE CHOICE, WHICH PROBABLY WAS LIKE THREE YEARS AGO, IT SEEMED TO BE A GOOD FIT.
BUT IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE, UH, A PREFERENCE OR THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE CHANGING THINGS, I WILL TELL YOU, WE'VE HAD IT WHERE PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
WE'VE SAVED PUBLIC HEARINGS TO BE TOWARDS THE END.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE PUBLIC'S DESIRE IS THAT PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE CLOSER TO THE BEGINNING.
AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE AND PUBLIC COMMENTS AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THEY WANNA SHARE, THEY CAN COME AND NOT HAVE TO SIT ALL THE WAY THROUGH OUR BUSINESS.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES WE HAVE LONG MEETINGS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A DESIRE TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS OR FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO? HAVE YOU HEARD ANY INPUT FROM CITIZENS THAT WANTED IT CHANGED? I HAVEN'T.
I'LL JUST ADD, I KNOW THIS ISN'T CHANGING THE ORDER OF BUSINESS.
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO GET BACK TO TWO READINGS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION ON 'EM.
UM, THAT WAY WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO TAKE ACTION WHILE WE'RE GETTING NEW INFORMATION FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
NOBODY HERE, INCLUDING MYSELF.
I THINK IT CHANGED RIGHT BEFORE I GOT ONE.
YOU PROBABLY SHOULD GET EMOTIONAL ON THE FLOOR.
OH, I WAS, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
WELL, WE HAVE TO DO THE MOTION FOR THE AGENDA.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.
BUT, UH, MOTION FOR THAT FOR DISCUSSION.
BETTER MAYOR, I MOVE THE COUNCIL, APPROVE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR 2025, AS PRESENTED SECOND, UH, UH, ANY DISCUSSION.
SO THAT, THAT TOPIC I DON'T THINK IS ABOUT ORDER OF BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE ABOUT CHANGING.
UM, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT THAT ON FOR A MEETING.
AND, UM, YEAH, BECAUSE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST.
I FEEL LIKE WE ALWAYS END UP HAVING A SECOND READING OR KEEPING THEM OPEN ANYWAYS.
WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, OR I KNOW MS. PRESSLEY AND I TALKED ABOUT IT 'CAUSE I WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS TWO READINGS AS WELL, IS SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS NEED A SEC.
THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR PE FOR THE COUNCIL TO HEAR PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS.
AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE, IT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SECOND READING.
IT ALSO GIVES THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, UH, A SECOND STAB AT BEING ABLE TO OFFER THEIR THOUGHTS.
THE, UM, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM DO.
SOME OF, I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING THAT SOME THINGS AREN'T MORE IMPORTANT, I JUST MEAN SOME THINGS ARE, ARE MORE, YOU KNOW, JUST BUSINESS QUICK KIND OF THING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO I DO THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF ITEM ITEMS FOR PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE FELT LIKE NEEDED.
UM, MORE TIME IS TO BE ABLE TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
WE PROBABLY HAVEN'T DONE THAT EVERY TIME, BUT THAT IS THOUGHT.
SO, UM, THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO BRING IT UP.
MAYBE EVERYBODY GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT THINKING ABOUT IT.
WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT MS. PRESSLEY AND I EVEN TALKED ABOUT ONE TIME, WOULD THERE BE A WAY TO SAY THIS ITEM NEEDS TWO READINGS AND THIS ITEM NEEDS ONE, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S, YEAH.
AND I, I KNEW, I KNEW THAT MR. SON, THAT WAS NOT THAT YOU COULDN'T REALLY DO IT THAT WAY.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT ORDINANCE THEN.
SO, BUT LET'S DO THINK ABOUT THAT.
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UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GONNA COME BEFORE US IN THE YEAR, BUT, BUT THERE MIGHT, LIKE I SAID, SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC, SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC DOESN'T, UM, DOESN'T KNOW THEY AREN'T, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THEY AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION THE FIRST TIME IT COMES AROUND.AND THEN WHEN IT MAKES IT INTO THE PRESS AND THEY'RE LIKE, WAIT, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE GONNA DO THAT.
AND THEN THEY WANNA COME AND THEN THEIR OPPORTUNITY IS MISSED.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT OF THAT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY EASIER TO SAY.
COUNCILMAN NEED MONICA PAYNE? YES.
WE'LL KEEP THE SAME ORDER OF BUSINESS.
SO ITEM THREE B IS APPOINTMENT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VARIOUS COMMITTEES.
UM, AND SO YOU ALL KNOW THAT I HAD ASKED YOU ALL TO REACH OUT TO ME TO TELL ME WHAT THINGS THAT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN.
AND, UM, AND SO, UM, SOME COMMITTEES WERE MORE, UM, UH, APPEALING TO THAN OTHERS FOR SOME OF YOU ALL.
AND SO NOT, YOU KNOW, BELIEVE ME, BEING A TEACHER, I TRIED TO LOOK AT EVERYBODY AND THINK, THOUGHT, COULD I GIVE THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, MAKE, YOU KNOW, GIVE EVERYBODY SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED AND I JUST COULDN'T MAKE IT WORK ON PAPER.
SO I WANT TO BRING THAT UP TONIGHT AND GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE WAS ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY WAS MOST INTERESTED IN.
SO IF TINA, I'M NOT GOING, I'M NOT DOING THESE IN THE ORDER THAT'S IN THE AGENDA.
DOES IT? IF I, IF I STRAIGHT, LIKE IF I JUMP TO A DIFFERENT COMMITTEE FIRST, YOU CAN EITHER DO THESE INDIVIDUALLY OR YOU CAN DO THEM AS A WHOLE, RIGHT? NO.
I JUST WAS SAYING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE FIRST WITH THE OTHER.
SO THAT WAS THE ONE WHERE MORE PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED IN.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT ONE JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, UM, 'CAUSE I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS OF PEOPLE JUST TO MAKE SURE.
SO THAT IS A COMMITTEE THAT IS JOINT WITH THE COUNTY.
I ALSO BELIEVE STATE THE STAKE YEAH.
IT COULD BE VDOT, IT COULD BE SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS.
UM, AND SO SEVERAL DIFFERENT GROUPS MEET, UH, FOR THAT COMMITTEE.
CORRECT? YOU ALL SERVED ON IT? WELL, UNLESS, OR IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE LAST, THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MEETING, UH, QUARTERLY.
JUST BECAUSE THERE WASN'T, DEPENDING ON WHAT WAS ON THE, ON COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN.
BECAUSE I KNOW THE WERE TIMES, WERE YOU ALL MEETING BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ATTEND THOSE AS WELL.
FOR BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN.
SO BEFORE IT WAS MONTHLY, BUT NOW THERE'S A POSSIBILITY IT WOULDN'T BE, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'D ALSO MET DURING THE DAY.
IT WAS LIKE A FOUR O'CLOCK MEETING.
MAINLY BECAUSE, UH, SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS, UNLIKE OURSELVES WHO ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ARE WILLING TO MEET AT NIGHT, SOME OF THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S LIKE VDOT OR THE TRAIN OR, UM, THEY WANTED TO MEET WITHIN THEIR BUSINESS HOURS.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS, UM, AWARE OF THAT.
'CAUSE IT, LIKE I SAID, THIS, SO THIS WOULD BE A MEETING THAT YOU'D HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND AT 4:00 PM CORRECT.
AND DID, WASN'T IT, WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK WAS IT? WEDNESDAY.
THAT'S, I CALLED THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM LAKE NORFOLK SOUTHERN AND VDOT.
THEY ATTENDED EVERY SINGLE MEETING.
AND THEY COME FROM, EVEN FOR, THEY COME FROM LIKE STAFF STANTON DISTRICT.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, AMBER HAD SAID THAT YOU LIKED IT, BUT YOU WERE OKAY.
I'M WILLING TO, I'M WILLING TO.
LIKE, SO SHE, SHE WAS ALL RIGHT WITH THAT.
THE REST OF YOU THAT EXPRESSED AN INTEREST, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SHARE WHY THEY, UM, WHY, WHY THEY ARE INCLINED TO WANT TO DO THAT COMMITTEE? YEAH.
I, I MEAN, I'M ON IT NOW, BUT I'M ALSO WILLING TO LET SOMEBODY ELSE HAVE IT IF THEY WANT IT.
ALL RIGHT, THEN YOU MADE MY LIFE EASIER.
ANYBODY ELSE WANTS IT? THAT'S FINE.
WELL, THE REASON I WAS SAYING THAT IS BECAUSE, OR THE ONLY REASON, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF CONTINUITY, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE GOOD, I WOULD THINK FOR THE COMMITTEE ITSELF, IF AT LEAST ONE PER, I MEAN, CHERYL WAS THE CHAIR OF IT, UM, WHEN, YOU KNOW OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE LAST YEAR MM-HMM
AND IT WAS CHERYL AND JOHN FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON IT.
THAT I DON'T KNOW, THAT MIGHT CHANGE ON THEIR SIDE TOO.
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DON'T KNOW.UM, IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVE, I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK, AT LEAST FOR A LITTLE WHILE, MAYBE ANOTHER TERM OR SOMETHING, IF, IF, IF THEY HAVE SOMEBODY INVOLVED OR CHERYL CAN, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY.
'CAUSE SHE HAS A, YOU KNOW, OF INFORMATION.
IF IT WEREN'T FOR HER, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THOSE REPRESENTATIVES SPREAD.
SO SHE, SHE DID A LOT OF WORK TO GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER FOR THAT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS IT, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
I MEAN, COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT WOULD DO YOU ALL, OR DO YOU ALL STILL, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S YOUR FIRST CHOICE? YOU'D PREFER TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE? I, I HAVE, I HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT.
ONLY BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE, UH, I'M FINE.
WE'VE BEEN SPINNING OUR WHEELS ON IT, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE OF ANYONE.
MAYBE, MAYBE IF, UH, WE HAVE A NEW, A DIFFERENT LOOK AT IT, MAYBE, UH, THERE'S A, AN OPPORTUNITY.
WE GOT A BUNCH OF FREE GRANT MONEY TO HAVE THOSE STUDIES DONE, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
THAT THEY SAID USUALLY TAKE FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS TO HAVE DONE SO BECAUSE OF LAUREN AND THEM'S WORK.
TRANSPORTATION MOVES VERY, VERY SLOWLY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND FEDERALLY.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WELL, WEDNESDAY, IF THEY DO A WEDNESDAY MEETING, WILL THAT BE A PROBLEM? I MEAN, IF THEY'RE DOING IT QUARTERLY, IT SHOULDN'T BE.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE FOR ME.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING WHAT TIME THESE MEETINGS MEET.
'CAUSE I KNOW MYSELF, LIKE DAY MEETINGS, UNLESS IT'S AFTER THREE, I CAN'T MAKE IT TO THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE BOTH STILL INTERESTED IN IT, THEN I'M GOING TO SAY BOTH OF YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
SO, SO AMBER'S NOT, NO, I TOLD LORI FROM THE BEGINNING, I WAS WILLING TO, AND JOSH HAD SAID THAT AS WELL.
UM, I PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT, SO IT WAS A BIG COMMITMENT.
SO, AND I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I WAS JUST CHECKING THE TIME, BRUCE, I WAS WORRIED THAT THAT MIGHT CONFLICT WITH YOUR WORK SCOPE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU WORK FROM HOME ON WEDNESDAYS, BUT IF IT'S QUARTERLY, IT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD WORK.
IF FOR SOME REASON YOU COULDN'T ATTEND, WE CAN ALWAYS SEND ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER, RIGHT? YEAH, I DID THAT ONE.
I MISSED ONE MEETING AND I SENT YOU IN MY PLACE.
SO THEN THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA, UM, VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE, AND THAT IS ONLY A ONE, AND I HAD THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE EXPRESS INTEREST IN THAT.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT, UM, NOW, NOW I DO KNOW THAT ONE DOES MEET AT NIGHT, IS WHAT, UH, UH, MS. COUNSEL DID SIX OR SEVEN O'CLOCK.
SIX OR SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT? SIX.
AND THEN, AND THEN CAN YOU TELL ME HOW OFTEN, AGAIN, IT'S ONCE A MONTH AND I THINK IT'S LIKE THE THIRD THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.
SO, UM, WAYNE DID YOUR, WHEN YOUR TERM ENDED, LIKE WHAT, HOW'S THAT WORK? HOW'S THEIR TERMS GO? LIKE, IT'S JUST HOW I BEEN ON FOR TWO YEARS.
I THINK IT'S A FOUR YEAR TERM.
IT'S THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S TERM.
WHEN IT'S THE COUNCIL MEMBER TERM, YOU'RE ON IT TILL YOU'RE TERMED YEAH.
YOUR ELECTED TERMED BECAUSE THERE'S SOME NON ELECTED PEOPLE ON THERE.
I THINK LAUREN IS HELPING STAFF IS THREE YEARS, I THINK.
WELL, I, I, I EXPRESSED INTEREST JUST BECAUSE, UM, IT DOUBLES WITH MY EMPLOYMENT IN TERMS OF MY INTEREST, UM, BECAUSE I GRANT RIGHT.
FOR COLLEGE AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE LOCAL REGIONS AND I THOUGHT IT COULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR, UM, LEARNING AND CONTRIBUTING.
AND I, I FEEL LIKE I ATTENDED A LONG TIME AGO WHEN I WAS INVOLVED IN NON-PROFITS, YOU KNOW, ON OCCASION.
BUT, UM, JUST TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN AND ABOUT THE REGION.
SO COUNCILMAN
IF SHE WANTS IT, SHE CAN TAKE IT.
AND BRUCE, YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING, BUT SINCE YOU GOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, RIGHT? IS THAT OKAY? UNLESS YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
DO WE, OH, NO, WE'RE NOT DONE YET.
CAN WE ONLY GET ONE SEAT ON THAT? ONLY GET ONE SEAT.
ONE, I WAS GONNA SAY, I GUESS THAT IS THOUGH, ALL THE DIFFERENT LOCALITIES, RIGHT? SO AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND A STAFF MEMBER FOR THAT.
AND SO SOME OF THE STAFF, UH, LIKE STEVEN, CITY CENTER TOWN MANAGER.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE, BECAUSE I, WELL, TO SEE A COUNCIL.
UM, SO THEN THE OTHER TWO COMMITTEES ARE FINANCE AND AUDIT, WHICH IS THE COMBINED AND SCHOLARSHIP.
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NOW, I WANNA SHARE SOME WITH YOU ALL.'CAUSE A COUPLE PEOPLE WHEN THEY RESPONDED TO ME ALSO MENTIONED THE VML COMMITTEES THAT THEY'RE ON.
JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW THIS, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THESE.
SO YOU'LL, WE STILL NEED PEOPLE TO SERVE ON THOSE COMMITTEES.
THAT JUST HASN'T, THAT'LL BE THE NEXT, IT'LL BE IN THE SPRING.
'CAUSE THEY USUALLY MEET OVER THE SUMMER.
UM, ALTHOUGH THAT'S SURPRISING TO ME BECAUSE WHEN I, WHEN I WAS SERVING ON IT, WE MET, WE MET BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE MET, MET, SO THAT WE COULD BASICALLY DECIDE THE THINGS WE WANTED TO GO TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
WE NEED AFTER AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT 'EM.
IS HOW LONG DONE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON, IT'S, IT'S ALSO THAT JANUARY ONE YEAR FOR THE, THE EDUCATION, UM, HEALTHCARE COMMITTEE.
WELL, I THINK NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT, THEY DO IN THE SUMMER SO THAT THEY CAN PREPARE TO THE BIG VML THING IN OCTOBER.
AND THEN YOU'D BE PREPARED FOR JANUARY.
BECAUSE THEN THE VML CONFERENCE, THEY, THEY MEET ABOUT IT.
SO WE NEED TWO PEOPLE FOR SCHOLARSHIP AND TWO PEOPLE FOR FINANCE AUDIT.
NOW, SOMEBODY MADE THE SUGGESTION, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA, IS THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, UM, ROTATE, UH, NOT ROTATE, BUT SO THAT THE SAME PEOPLE AREN'T ON IT EVERY YEAR.
THAT'S, I THINK IT GIVES, I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIENCE THE, YOU KNOW, THE AUDITORS COMING IN AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND I SERVED ON IT WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL TOO.
SO, UM, WHO HAS ALREADY BEEN ON THE FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE? I'VE BEEN ON BOTH OF 'EM.
AND I TOLD YOU I'D SET ALL OF THEM OUT UNTIL UNFOR.
I WAS GONNA, SAYRE BEEN ON THE OTHER ONE TOO.
I BELIEVE, UH, UM, COUNCILMAN WOOD BEEN ON BOTH AS WELL.
IT'S THE SAME COMMITTEE FINANCE AUDIT, RIGHT? OR BML.
OH, BML
THAT YEAR WE WERE BOTH ON THE SAME TWO.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE WAYNE DO FINANCE, RIGHT? BUT WE NEED ANOTHER PERSON FOR FINANCE.
AND THEN WE NEED TWO PEOPLE FOR SCHOLARSHIP.
SO, IS THERE, WHO DOESN'T HAVE, BRUCE DOESN'T IN THE PROFFERS.
WHO, WHO, THIS IS TRUE THAT IT IS.
WHO DOESN'T HAVE A COMMITTEE? I, I DON'T HAVE ONE YET.
BUT I'VE BEEN ON ALL OF THESE.
AND I TOLD YOU UP FRONT, I'M WILLING TO, UNLESS SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE TWO SEATS.
WELL, SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO SERVE ONE TOO.
WE NEED TO, UNLESS SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT EXTRA.
IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS, I'LL DO IT.
BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO, I STILL STAY ON IT.
BUT I WAS KIND OF, I MEAN, HONESTLY, WHEN COME MY SCHOLARSHIPS, AMBER, YOU WANNA DO SCHOLARSHIP? YOU SCHOLARSHIP JOSH, YOU WANNA DO SCHOLARSHIP? YEAH.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE YOU GUYS DO BOTH, DO SCHOLARSHIPS.
SO I, I NEVER, I NEVER GOT TO BE ON, I LIKED ALL TIME I WAS ON THERE.
I MEAN, I LEARNED ALL THEM, BUT I KNOW TOO MANY THE KIDS.
BUT WE DO NEED ANOTHER PERSON FOR FINANCE, FINANCE AUDIT.
DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL DETAIL.
I'M JUST, I SERVED ON THAT, DIDN'T I? I THINK EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY HAS SERVED ON SEPARATE.
I GOT A MEETING FRIDAY, RIGHT? TOMORROW.
THEY NOTIFIED US A COUPLE HOURS AGO.
FOR, SO WHO'S ON FINANCE? FINANCE? VML.
SO, BUT THIS IS OUR, AM I ON THAT TOO? THIS ONE IS FOR, THIS IS FOR THE TOWN.
THIS IS JUST THE TOWNS AUDIT AND FINANCIAL.
THE TOWN WAS ME AND JOSH WHEN WE WENT FOR IT.
IS THAT'S, THAT'S THE TOWNS ONE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONE WHERE YOU ALL MEET WITH THE AUDITORS AND LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND I KIND STOP.
AND THEY, SO, UM, DID THAT CHANGE ANYBODY'S OPINIONS? THE ONE YOU JUST YEAH.
SO THAT'S THE ONE YOU JUST SIGNED UP FOR WAYNE.
RIGHT? BUT WE NEED THE FRIENDS.
SO WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE TO JOIN? WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE TO JOIN? WAYNE OR I THINK BRUCE, YOU WANT TO RAY? YEAH, I WAS GONNA JOIN.
BRUCE IS THE ONE WHO CRUNCHED NUMBER SO'S THE ONE WHO FIND BRUCE.
'CAUSE THERE WAS A YEAR YOU DIDN'T, YOU, SO THIS IS GOOD.
DIDN'T YOU HAVE A COMMITTEE AT ALL? NOW YOU'RE DOING DOUBLET.
WELL, SINCE, SINCE THE OTHER ONE IS ONLY QUARTER.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.
AND, UM, ONE OF YOU ALL HAS TO MAKE IT.
I SO DO WISH IT COULD BE, BUT I WILL.
SO YOU, UM, SO IF YOU ALL SAY IT, I'LL TELL YOU WHO THE NAMES ARE BECAUSE I, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE OKAY.
MADAM MAYOR, MAKE MOTION TO APPOINT, UH, COUNCILMAN, UM,
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RAPPAPORT AND COUNCILMAN, UH, WOOD TO THE, UH, JOINT TOWN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE FOR 2025 TO APPOINT COUNCIL WOMAN, UM, MELISSA OR DEAN MONICA PAYNE TO THE NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION AS A REP REPRESENTATIVE.UH, ALSO FOR THE SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE, UH, MY ION APPOINT MYSELF AND, UH, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, AL, OR VICE MAYOR AL FOR, FOR SCHOLARSHIP.
AND THEN FOR THE FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE, UH, COUNCIL COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT AND COUNCILMAN, UM,
YOU GOT A MOTION? YOU GOT A SECOND? I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.
I THINK WE DID THAT WELL ENOUGH.
COUNCILMAN DE DEMON PAINT? YES.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY NOT AS ARDUOUS OF A TASK AS I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE COMING INTO TONIGHT.
SO, UH, NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
AND THIS IS THE SPECIAL SPECIAL EXCEPTION BY BFW FOR THE RELIEF OF EXISTING HEARTENING AT 6 54 B WEST 11TH STREET.
AND MR.
IN FACT, SHE HAS, YEAH, SHE HAS THE NEXT FOUR.
WE PUT A, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR A FEW OF THESE.
SO FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE VFW, UM, THIS IS FOR RELIEF OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UM, IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO THE PROPERTY, THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS AT 6 54 WEST 11TH STREET.
SO IT'S, UH, THE OLD BENS FAMILY CUISINE BUILDING.
CURRENTLY THEY HAVE NINE PARKING SPACES.
WHAT THEY DID IS THEY SUBMITTED A BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATION, UM, THAT HAD TO BE DENIED.
AND THIS WAS THEIR, THEIR AVENUE TO MOVE FORWARD IS TO REQUEST THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S FOUR PARKING SPACES IN THE FRONT, AND THEN THERE ARE FIVE PARKING SPACES IN THE BACK.
THESE TWO ON THE SIDE, WE CAN'T COUNT IN THE PARKING SPACES BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, UH, WIDTH TO THE DRIVE AISLE.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO BASICALLY 1 75, 1 0 4.
SO IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE REQUIRE THAT ALL NEW USES OR DEVELOPMENTS OR CHANGE OF USE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF 1 48.
WE GO TO 1 48, 8 70 A TWO REQUIRES THAT FOR AN ASSEMBLY USE, WHICH IS WHAT THE VFW WOULD BE CLASSIFIED UNDER THAT THERE HAS TO BE ONE PARKING SPACE OR 100, UH, NET SQUARE FEET OR PER FOUR FIXED SEATS.
THE INTERIOR AREA OF THAT BUILDING CAME OUT TO 1,692 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WHEN WE RUN THE MATH, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE 17 PARKING SPACES TOTAL.
UM, THEY CAN DO SMALLER SPACES FOR COMPACT CARS, WHICH WOULD BE THOSE SPACES ON THE SIDE, BUT THEY'RE STILL NOT CONSIDERED LEGAL PARKING SPACES.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR CODE FOR DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.
WERE THEY ALSO, THAT IS A ASSEMBLY OF THEIR, NOT THAT IT MATTERS 'CAUSE THEY HAVE NO PARKING OVER THERE, BUT AT THEIR PRIOR LOCATION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT THING THEY SHOULD HAVE SO GRANDFATHERED IN.
'CAUSE IT WAS THERE FOR, BUT OVER THERE THEY HAD SUFFICIENT PARKING.
SO THEY HAD, THEY HAD PLENTY OF PARKING THERE.
YEAH, NO, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THEY, IF THEY QUALIFY FOR DIFFERENT, YEAH, IF THEY, IF THEY HAD A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION OF IT FOR THEM OTHER THAN ASSEMBLY, THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE.
THEY, UM, AND IN OUR CODE, THAT IS THE CLOSEST USE TO WHAT THEY DO THAT WE COULD GET TO.
WE DON'T PERMIT EVENT SPACES ASSEMBLY.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY THING I COULD CLASSIFY THEM AS.
UM, BUT WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS IS THAT WHEN THEY CAN'T MEET THE PARKING SPACES OR PARKING REQUIREMENTS, THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF OBTAINING PARKING, LIKE A PARKING LEASE WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY ATTEMPTED TO GET THAT FROM THE CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET AND FROM THE WARREN COUNTY EDA.
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WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE TO DO THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION HERE.UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE GIST OF IT.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? UM, I REMEMBER SAYING ABOUT THE EDA, UM, DENYING THEM DO WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE REASON OH, SURE.
I BELIEVE THE EDA HAD A, I THINK THEY HAVE AN INTENDED USE FOR THAT PARKING AREA.
SO, UM, AND WITH THE CHURCH, I KNOW THE CHURCH HAD ISSUES WITH THE AMOUNT OF TIMES THAT THEY WOULD, IT WOULD, THE LEASE WOULD HAVE TO BE FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THAT THE VFW OWNED OR OCCUPIED THAT BUILDING.
SO AT ANY GIVEN TIME, THE CHURCH WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM WITH EIGHT PARKING SPACES.
AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS AN ISSUE FOR THAT.
THEY COULDN'T DO AN ALTERNATIVE LEASE.
I'M SORRY, IT BE DURING CERTAIN HOURS.
THEY, THAT WOULDN'T BE, IF YOU NEEDED TO PROVIDE IT FOR ANY TIME THEY WERE OPEN, IT WAS GONNA, I DO BELIEVE WHERE THE EDA IS BEHIND IT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DO THAT NOW, BUT THERE WAS A TIME WHERE THAT PARKING LOT WAS USED FOR, UM, A TRACTOR TRAILER.
I THINK THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE.
AND THEN THERE WAS TALK ABOUT IT ONE POINT, LIKE HOUSE, LIKE HOUSING AND THINGS LIKE THAT BEING THERE.
I, AGAIN, THESE WERE IN THE PAST, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL MARKETING FOR SALE OR, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVEN'T, I DON'T, I DON'T GO.
DOES IT HAVE A FOR SALE SIGN BY? THAT'S INTERESTING.
UM, IS THERE, IS THERE, UM, THERE, IS THERE INTENT TO HAVE MAJOR EVENTS THERE? THEY'RE, THEY STATED THAT THEY WERE ATTENDING TO HAVE EVENTS A FEW TIMES A YEAR.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE THEM AS LIKE A, I THINK BRINGING REVENUE TYPE THING.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD RENT OUT THE SPACE FOR EVENTS.
UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO SAID THAT THEY WORKED WITH, OR THEY HAD A DEAL WITH THE PREVIOUS, I'M SORRY, THE NEW VFW OWNER, THAT THEY COULD HAVE EVENTS THERE, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ENDED UP NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T STATE THAT THEIR, THAT THE EVENTS WEREN'T GONNA NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE SURROUNDING AREA.
BECAUSE WHEN THEY DO HAVE EVENTS, THOSE PEOPLE ARE PARKING SOMEWHERE AND THEY'RE POTENTIALLY GONNA TAKE A PARKING
SO THIS, THE DISCUSSIONS HERE AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT IT.
UM, I JUST WANNA OFFER RIGHT NOW THAT I WOULD NOT, I WON'T BE TAKING ANY ACTION ON THIS BECAUSE, UM, I ACTUALLY OWN, UM, PROPERTY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT.
MY, MY SIBLINGS AND I OWN A, A RENTAL PROPERTY.
AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY, IF WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, I'LL BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF THE FOLKS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, YOU KNOW, COME OUT AND HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT.
JUST BECAUSE, BUT WHAT A SHAME BECAUSE I MEAN, IN READING ALL OF THIS, PREPARING FOR TONIGHT, IT'S JUST HEARTBREAKING TO ME THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND A HOME IN OUR COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S SAD.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD QUITE A BIT OF PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED AT THE PRIOR VFW.
AND IT'S, AND, AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO GATHER, YOU EVENTUALLY LOSE MEMBERSHIP.
UM, SO THEY WERE OPEN 365 DAYS A YEAR.
I GREW UP, UH, AS A CHILD BESIDE THE OLD VFW.
I LIVED ON BELMONT AT THE END OF BELMONT.
AND MY BROTHER IS A MEMBER OF THE VFW.
AND WHILE HE'S BEEN ACTIVE DUTY THE LAST 20 YEARS, HE COMES AND GOES AND VISITS THERE WHEN HE'S VISITING HIS HOMETOWN.
AND SO THAT, YOU MENTIONED IT, IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY SAD PSYCHOLOGICALLY WHAT A LOT OF THESE VETERANS WHO DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE TO GO ON HOLIDAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE OPEN FOR CHRISTMAS, THANKSGIVING.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, AS MANY TIMES AS I WENT THERE AND GOT QUARTERS TO FLAT ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE NINE MEMBERS THERE AT ONCE.
I MEAN IT, IN MY LIFETIME ALONE, THE MEMBERSHIP HAS
WELL, THAT'S WHY I REALLY WONDERED IF THEY NEED THAT MUCH PARKING.
AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GROW THEIR MEMBERSHIP.
AND I MEAN, BUT LIKE, I THINK ABOUT LIKE THE AMERICAN LEGION, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SIMILAR, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY'RE BUSY ALL, I MEAN, THEY, THEY'RE BUSY.
IT'S JUST A SHAME THAT THEY CAN'T FIND A PLACE BECAUSE I, I, I'VE BEEN IN BEN'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A HUGE PLACE
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ANYWAY.LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE LARGE EVENT IN THERE ANYWAY.
THEY RENTED IT OUT MORE OFTEN FOR PRIVATE USE FOR EVENTS THAN THEY USED FOR THEMSELVES.
I JUST, I JUST WISH THERE WAS SOME SPACE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL THAT IS, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM A LARGER SPACE SO THEY COULD GROW THEIR MEMBERSHIP, HAVE EVENTS, RENT IT OUT.
BECAUSE RENTING THINGS, I MEAN LIKE THE MOOSE AND PLACES LIKE THAT, I MEAN, YOU'RE RENTING THINGS OUT.
WHEN YOU'RE THE LEGION, YOU'RE, THAT HELPS GENERATE FUNDS FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION.
UM, BUT SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, I, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UH, DO WE MAIL THE LETTER OUT TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THIS AS WELL AS LIKE A REZONING OR SUP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE GO TO ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AND WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS POSTED OUT ON THE PROPERTY.
I, I WASN'T SURE ABOUT THE MAILING OF THE LETTERS.
ANY PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT AND LEAVE AND GO ACROSS THE STREET, THEN COUNSEL AND I DO THAT AS WELL.
DOES IT GO TO THE PERSON LIVING THERE OR THE PROPERTY OWNER? THE PROPERTY OWNER.
I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE IF THERE ARE OTHER, IF THERE ARE RENTAL PROPERTIES OUT THERE, WHICH I GOING TO THE OWNER.
WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF, BUT, BUT THE RENTER COULD COME AND SHOW UP ANYWAY 'CAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE JUST NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
THEY JUST NEED TO KNOW ABOUT, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THERE WILL BE A SIGN UP AND THERE'S A SIGNUP UP.
AND I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKING ABOUT IT.
LIKE SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, SHE NEEDS SOME REALLY GOOD FOOD.
SO, BUT THEY CERTAINLY HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL THEY, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE EXHAUSTED, THEY MADE A DILIGENT ATTEMPT TO SECURE PARKING.
BUT I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THEY'VE ALSO MADE A DILIGENT ATTEMPT TO FIND A PLACE THAT THEY COULD AFFORD IN OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT IF IT DOESN'T MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS, STAFF CAN'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
I'M SAYING IWI FEEL LIKE THERE'S OTHER EMPTY PLACES IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT I WISH THERE WAS ANOTHER BUILDING THAT THEY COULD UM, BIG LOTS.
THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN WE BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS TRUE
I WONDER, I WONDER IF THAT WAS LIKE A CHURCH OR SOMETHING THAT WAS OUT ON, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, BUT HAPPY CREEK IT WAS.
NO, IT WAS OUT ON, UH, ASH RIVERTON.
RIGHT? IT WAS AN OLDER, OLDER CHURCH.
WAS THAT, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL RIVER TERM.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE OLD CHAPLAIN THAT'S BEEN PURCHASED BY A BAPTIST CHURCH? YEAH.
A CHURCH ACTUALLY USES THAT NOW.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT'S A JEROMA I HAPPY CREEK ROAD, THE OLD HAPPY CREEK UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.
AND THAT JUST THIS PAST SUNDAY JUST STARTED, UM, I THINK IT'S CALLED ST.
SO, UM, SO 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER AREA THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, SO ANYWAY, SO YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU'RE IN THE PUBLIC AND YOU HAVE A SPACE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO HOUSE THEM SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR, UM, DIDN'T THEY PURCHASE THIS BUILDING THEN? I DON'T KNOW IF THEY PURCHASED IT OR IF THEY'RE STILL WAITING ON THIS TO GO THROUGH TO COMPLETE THE SALE.
OH, BECAUSE YOU SEE THE PRESS IS HERE AND THEY MIGHT WOULD'VE BROUGHT THAT UP, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT WATCHING.
FOUR B IS THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT PERTAINING TO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR TOBACCO SMOKE OR VAPE SHOPS.
SO THIS WAS AT THE REQUEST OF TOWN COUNCIL.
UM, IT HAS SINCE GONE THROUGH, UH, PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF A BY RIGHT MECHANISM AND A SPECIAL USE PERMIT MECHANISM.
SO AS WE STARTED WORKING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THERE'S A SECTION OF STATE CODE THAT WAS PASSED ON JULY 1ST, 2024.
SO THAT ALLOWS US TO REGULATE TOBACCO, NICOTINE AND HEMP PRODUCT RETAIL SALE LOCATIONS.
SO THIS ORDINANCE IS BASED OFF OF THIS SECTION OF TOWN CODE, OR SORRY, STATE CODE.
SO THE BUY RIGHT ORDINANCE WOULD STIPULATE THAT ANY TAB OR TOBACCO SMOKE OR VAPE SHOPS SHALL BE DEFINED AS A BUSINESS INVOLVING THE SALE OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS, NICOTINE VAPOR PRODUCTS OR ALTERNATIVE NICOTINE PRODUCTS AS THOSE TERMS ARE DEFINED IN THE STATE CODE OF
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VIRGINIA.SO WE ARE TAKING ALL THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE ALREADY IN STATE CODE AND THEY'D BE APPLIED HERE.
AND THE PERFORMANCE STANDARD FOR THAT, WHICH IS ENABLED PER THIS SECTION OF STATE CODE, WOULD BE THAT THEY SHALL NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF ANY CHILD OR DAYCARE CENTER AS DEFINED BY 22.1 UH, DASH 2 89 0 2.
WHEN WE PULL UP THAT DEFINITION, THERE'S A SECTION OF STATE CODE OR THERE'S A REGISTRY WITH THE STATE.
THERE ARE SIX LOCATIONS WITHIN TOWN THAT ARE REGISTERED AND FALL UNDER THAT DESIGNATION.
UM, BUT IT WOULD STOP BASICALLY ANYTHING WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THOSE WAIT SIX LOCATIONS THAT ARE A DAYCARE.
THAT ARE, AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO LIMIT IT BY THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND PUBLICS.
'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, THERE'S WAY MORE THAN SIX OH YEAH.
SCHOOLS, BUT THERE'S SIX DAYCARES THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT DEFINITION THERE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MECHANISM.
AND THAT IS THE SAME THING, EXCEPT WHEN THE PRODUCTS REPRESENT 25% OR MORE OF THE STORE'S TOTAL INVENTORY OR 15% OR MORE OF THE STORE'S TOTAL DISPLAY AREA.
THAT'S WHAT KICKS IT INTO REQUIRING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO WITH THE BUY RIGHT, IT'S ANY TOBACCO NICOTINE PRODUCT SOLD THERE, IT'S REGULATED AS A BY RIGHT USE.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A ZONING PERMIT FOR IT, AND THEN WE WOULD HOLD THEM TO THAT A THOUSAND FOOT STANDARD.
ONCE THEY, THEIR PRIMARY PRODUCT IS A TOBACCO OR VAPE PRODUCT THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND TO THIS COUNCIL.
SO IF THEY CODE OF VIRGINIA CHANGES, UM, WE ARE, WE ARE STILL COVERED EITHER WAY.
LIKE IF IT, IF THEY REVER, IF THEY REVERSE THAT, LET'S JUST SAY THEY REVERSE IT COMPLETELY.
SO THE STATE STATUTE IS AN ENABLING STATUTE.
LET'S NOT SELF EFFECTUATING IT.
IT ALLOWS LOCALITIES TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE IF THEY CHOOSE.
BUT SHE'S SAYING THAT IF THEY WERE TO TAKE THAT AWAY, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT THEN MEAN THE LOCALITIES COULD, COULD CHOOSE TO DO IT? HMM.
IT'S OKAY IF THEY REVERSE THE ENABLING STATUTE.
WOULD WE HAVE TO REMOVE THIS OR REPEAL IT FROM THE CODE? AND BASICALLY BECAUSE THEY ENABLED THIS AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS ENABLING STATUTE, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THIS IS WHY WE MORE RESTRICTIVE.
YEAH, THAT'S THAT WHOLE DYLAN, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING BEFORE JULY
IN OTHER WORDS, 500 FEET WOULD BE LESS RESTRICTIVE.
IT CANNOT BE MORE RESTRICTIVE SUCH AS 2000 FEET.
SO WE'RE BASICALLY GOING WITH THE, WITH THE, THE MAXIMUM THAT WE'LL KNOW BECAUSE THE MINIMUM WOULD BE 500 FEET.
SO, AND THE WAY THIS WOULD WORK TOO IS WHEN IF WE HAD A SPECIAL USE PERMIT COME THROUGH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN I WOULD ASSUME ULTIMATELY HERE WOULD BE THAT THOUSAND FOOT STANDARD.
SO I WOULD WANNA HOLD THEM TO THE SAME THING.
UM, BUT AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I CAN'T PUT THAT REQUIREMENT ON THERE.
WE HAVE TO COME FROM THE COUNCIL.
NO, AND I WAS SAYING THOUGH IS IS THAT IF WE WANTED TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE, WE COULD SAY THAT, THAT IT'S WITHIN A DISTANCE OF 500 LINEAR FEET FROM A DAYCARE OR SCHOOL.
I'M NOT SAYING WE WANT TO, I'M JUST SAYING CORRECT.
THEY COULD 500 FEET IS LESS RESTRICTIVE.
AND THEN WE LIMITED IT ONLY TO THE C ONE AND C3 DISTRICTS AS WELL.
SO C TWO IS OUR DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY DISTRICT.
THIS WOULD NOT PERMIT IT WITHIN MAIN STREET OR ANYTHING ZONED C TWO.
SO MAIN STREET HERE, LITTLE BIT OF CHESTER STREET, BASICALLY WHAT'S IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT LEAVES US BASICALLY WITH SOUTH STREET COMMERCE AND THEN, UM, SHENANDOAH SHENANDOAH COMING IN.
BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT ENTRANCE CORRIDOR REQUIREMENTS THERE.
YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT THERE.
SO, UM, AND THE ONLY C3 SECTION OF TOWN IS UP PAST THE BRIDGES OVER WHERE THE SHELL IS, UM, RIGHT AT THE END.
WHERE THE S AND THE HAMPTON NR MM-HMM
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PRIOR QUESTION, IF GENERAL ASSEMBLY REPEALED THE STATUTE, THEN I, AND IT WAS STILL ON THE BOOKS, SO TO SPEAK.I JUST, I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE UN ENFORCEABLE.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR STAFF OR, UM, UH, I'M JUST GLAD WE FINALLY GOT SOMETHING TOGETHER TO LOOK AT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
SO, AND, AND YOU DID IT WITHIN THE TIME PERIOD TOO.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU TOLD US YOU'D HAVE SOMETHING BY JANUARY.
SO WHAT IF, WHAT IF, WHAT IF, UH, THERE'S NOTHING TIME GOES BY AND GO THROUGH THE HISTORY UNDER THE SPECIAL USE.
IF THEY WERE INTERESTED, UM, THE ACTUAL BUSINESSES BEGIN TO EXPAND, EXPAND THEIR RIGHT VOLUME OF VAPE PRODUCT? WELL, YOU COULD ALWAYS IN THEIR, I MEAN, HOW DO WE YOU MEAN THEIR BUY RIGHT? HOW, HOW, HOW DOES PLANNING AND ZONING KEEP UP WITH THAT? HOW WOULD YOU EVEN KNOW? THAT'S THE TRICKY PART.
I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT LIKE OUR POLICIES THERE.
I MEAN, WOULD WE DO INSPECTIONS? UM, IF IT WAS LIKE A BUY RIDE TYPE THING, I WOULD POTENTIALLY THINK WHEN THEY GO TO RENEW THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE, MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOME TYPE OF MECHANISM TO REVIEW IT AT THAT POINT.
WHEREAS THE SUP WOULD BE COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
WHEREAS THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
COULD THEY NOT PUT A A, LIKE A STIPULATION ON THE SUP THAT IT'S GOOD FOR A YEAR OR THAT WE, WE INSPECT STAFF SPECS ON A BASIS.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DECIDE NOW IF WE WANT IT IN THAT LANGUAGE? NO.
YOU COULD DECIDE IT ON A CASE.
YOU DECIDE ALL ARE FOLLOW PUBLIC FOLLOW IN PUBLIC HEARING.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, DID YOU ALL HAVE MANY PEOPLE APPEAR FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING? I DON'T THINK ANY CAME.
I'M SURPRISED THE ROOM WASN'T PACKED.
HOW ARE YOU THOUGH? SURPRISED NOBODY EVER ACTUALLY SHOWS UP TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
OF COURSE IT WAS THE DECEMBER ONE, RIGHT? IT WAS THE DECEMBER ONE.
MAYBE THEY WERE BUSY WITH THEIR, UM, AND CERTAINLY THE EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION WITHIN THE GROUP THOUGH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT THIS TIME? OR ABOUT THIS? SO THIS, IT'S TOO, ARE WE, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR IT TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING? JANUARY 27TH? THE ADD OUT? ONLY BECAUSE, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I MISSED THE, THE DEADLINE WAS YESTERDAY, SO I HAD TO PUT IT OUT.
BUT YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REMOVE IT IF YOU'RE NOT READY FOR IT ON THE 27TH.
IS EVERY GOOD TO GO? WE'RE GOOD TO, WE'RE GOOD TO GO ON THE 27TH IF YOU WANNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I, I THINK EVERYBODY'S READY FOR THAT.
I READ THEW YOU WANT THAT ONE? I'M ASSUMING WE WENT THE BFW.
WELL THERE'S REALLY NO CHOICE, RIGHT? THAT ONE IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE YEAH.
SO, SO JANUARY 27TH WE WILL HAVE A AND B.
SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT C COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE AREA BETWEEN STRASBURG RIDGE, DUCK STREET TO RUGBY STREET, SO THIS COMPREHEND AMENDMENT YEP.
WAS, WAS WITH THE, UM, WAS BROUGHT ABOUT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUESTING, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SO MANY REZONING REQUESTS FOR THIS AREA, IT'S ONLY FITTING THAT THE COMP PLAN KIND OF FIT WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING THERE.
AND WHAT WOULD, UH, WORK FOR THE MARKET.
SO RIGHT NOW, THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS A FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL.
AND UM, THE REQUEST WOULD BE TO TAKE THE PARCELS HERE AT WEST STRASBURG ROAD AND DUCK STREET, UM, AND AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SHOW THEM AS AN R THREE, OR SORRY, A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, UM, DESIGNATION.
IT'S IN FITTING WITH WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE NOW.
SO THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED IN A COMMERCIAL CAPACITY.
IT WAS REZONED IN THE NINETIES TO COMMERCIAL MM-HMM
BUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS, IT WOULD REQUIRE ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE WOULD REQUIRE THAT ALL OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, ACT IN UNISON TO SELL THEIR PARCELS.
AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE HAMMERHEAD TURN THAT WAS INSTALLED HERE, THESE COMMERCIALS HAVE BEEN RENDERED.
IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR COMMERCIAL USE TO COME IN BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN OF THIS ROAD.
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BURG ROAD HERE.YEAH, THAT'S, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
WE DID, WE DID DISCUSS THIS, BUT THIS IS, BUT THIS IS NOW GOING TO CHANGE IT IN THE COMP PLAN.
SO RIGHT NOW, OH, OH, THAT PORTION OF THE COMP PLAN IS KEPT AS A DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL A LOT, OR LARGELY IN PART BECAUSE OF THE ANTICIPATED RAIL TRAIL.
SO THE THOUGHT WAS IT'S BECAUSE YOU GOT CONNECTED THE RAILROAD THERE, POTENTIAL RAIL TRAILS, SMALL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS COULD POTENTIALLY WORK THERE.
BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT THE MARK IS DICTATING THAT THIS WOULD WORK BETTER AS RESIDENTIAL.
AND AT ONE POINT WHEN I FIRST CAME ON COUNCIL, THERE WAS A SENIOR LIVING, NOT ASSISTED LIVING, LIKE A SENIOR LIVING APARTMENT COMPLEX LOOKING SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA.
THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE TRANSPORTATION FROM THE TROLLEY AND ALL OF THAT WAS THERE.
BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME STEEP SLOPE ISSUES OVER HERE.
UM, AND WITH THE WAY, OR LIKE THE TRANS, LIKE THE STANDARDS WOULD WORK WITH THIS INTERSECTION, IT WOULD, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TURN OFF HERE.
SO YOUR ONLY MECHANISM FOR ACCESSING THESE SITES IS THROUGH HERE OR THROUGH DUCK STREET.
BUT WITHOUT THAT CORNER BEING COMMERCIALLY, IT'S NOT AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.
UM, IT'S PRETTY MUCH PROHIBITED ALL OF THIS FROM BEING, I, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT DIDN'T, I MEAN, BECOME COMMERCIAL IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ROAD THAT WAS ALL DESIGNED AND STUFF.
IT'S AN ODD KIND KIND OF DESIGN, BUT THAT INTERSECTION COMPLETELY, IT, IT TOOK AWAY THE ABILITY FOR THAT TO BE COMMERCIAL.
WAS SUPPOSED TO GO THERE THEN.
THEY DIDN'T, THEY DECIDED TO GO.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY THOUGH, IF, IF, IF, IF COUNSEL WERE TO DECIDE TO CHANGE THAT IN THE COMP LAND, YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS STILL ON THE ROAD, IF THE PEOPLE THAT ALL OWNED THAT IN THERE DID DECIDE THAT AT ONE POINT THAT THEY WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND BUY THAT AS A COMMERCIAL STRIP.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CAN'T, THE ZONING DOESN'T, THE UNDERLYING ZONING HASN'T CHANGED.
THIS IS JUST THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
NOBODY HAS TO COME THROUGH WITH A REZONING APPLICATION TO ACTUALLY CHANGE.
THAT'S I JUST WAS WAS GONNA SAY, ISN'T THAT WHAT WE SAW ON THE VACANT LOT UP THERE? YEAH.
AND ALL THOSE CARS OVER THERE, THAT'S MATTHEW'S, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEN I THINK IT'S MOYER THAT'S OVER ON THE YEAH.
BUT THAT'S ON THE OTHER, THAT'S ON THE CORNER.
AND THAT'S ON INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S 'CAUSE THAT USED TO BE A PLANT IN THERE.
AND THEN IT WAS A BAR AND THEN IT BECAME THAT WITH AN AIRPLANE ON THERE.
I ROLLED WASTE ON THE ROOF IN ONE TIME.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? SO THAT WOULD ALSO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 27TH AND WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT THING FOR MS. CAPISH IS THE FINAL SUBDIVISION PLA FOR A MAJOR SUBDIVISION.
I BELIEVE IT'S SQUIRREL HILL, RIGHT? YES.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S BEEN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOREVER TOO.
IT'S UM, BUT PROBABLY BEEN TWO YEARS IN THE MAKING MM-HMM
TO GET AT LEAST, WELL HE WAS TALKING TO US WHEN WE WERE DOING THE, UM, COMP PLAN STUFF.
BUT BACK THEN IT WAS JUST GONNA BE LIKE SIX TOWNHOUSES, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
DUPLEXES, I THINK MAIN FOR LIVING.
SO WHAT THEY'RE STILL PROPOSING HERE WITH THIS PLAN IS THIS IS YOUR FINAL, UM, PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
SO AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE APPROVING THE 18 LOTS WITH 33 DWELLING UNITS.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE LOSING TWO OR THREE LOTS FOR THEIR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES.
AND THEN THE EXISTING HOME IS, HAS BEEN CARVED OUT.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE 18 LOTS AND NOT 36 HOUSES.
UM, SO THIS IS THE PARCEL THAT'S BORDERED BY WEST MAINE.
AND THEN ORCHARD STREET CUTS THROUGH, UM, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THIS, UM, THAT THIS PLAT GOES THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN IT WOULD COME TO TOWN COUNCIL.
SO AT THIS POINT THEY NEED TO, UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO START LIKE FILING THEIR APPLICATIONS FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ALL HAVE TO BE BUILT IN 36 MONTHS.
THIS APPROVAL IS GOOD FOR 36 MONTHS.
UM, SO THEY WERE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE PLAN.
SO YOU HAVE THE EXISTING HOUSE, YOU'VE GOT DUPLEXES THAT WILL FRONT WEST MAIN STREET, YOU'LL HAVE DUPLEXES THAT WILL FRONT ORCHARD STREET, THIS AREA HERE WHERE IT SAYS 10 AND 12.
THIS IS GONNA BE THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT POND.
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PROPERTY.YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TOPOGRAPHY.
EVERYTHING IS DRAINING DOWN HERE INTO THIS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT POND.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ESSENTIALLY APPROVING IS THIS ACTUAL SUBDIVISION FOR THESE LOTS.
THIS JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S THAT MUCH LAND THERE.
BUT THEY NEVER VACATED THAT ALLEY, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
NO, THEY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T NEED IT.
THEY DECIDED NOT TO, DIDN'T THEY? THEY COULD, YEAH.
OR ONE QUESTION, AND I CAN'T TELL FROM THIS AND MAYBE YOU CAN, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, ARE THEY GONNA PUT IN A SIDEWALK ALONG THE WEST? THEY, THEY HAVE TO.
SO OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT.
SO UNLESS THEY WOULD COME TO TOWN COUNCIL AND YOU APPROVE A WAIVER, THEY HAVE TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN THAT WOULD HELP US COMPLETE THE WEST MAIN OUT TO THE SKATE PARK.
ACTUALLY THE, THIS SHOWS SIDEWALK ON WEST MAIN.
THIS SHOWS SIDEWALK ON ORCHARD.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIDEWALK ON NORTH STREET.
SO THIS IS, THIS SHOWS YOUR SIDEWALK HERE.
SO PROPOSED, PROPOSED SIX FOOT WIDE CONCRETE WALK THERE.
THERE ALONG ALL THE WAY AROUND.
IT'S GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND.
IS THAT SO ODD? 'CAUSE VISCUS AVENUE GOES TOWN LIKE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I NOTICED THAT THE LIGHTING, UH, THE, THE POLES THAT I COULD MAKE OUT THAT THE REPRODUCTION, THE RESOLUTION OF THIS FLAT WAS REALLY GOOD.
I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THE ORIGINAL, BUT THE, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE THE LIGHTING WOULD RATHER SPARSE.
UM, WELL THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR, UM, WITH OUR DARK SKY SECTION AND JUST THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, UM, SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, WHATEVER DICTATES FOR THEM.
NOW THERE, THERE'S SO MUCH WOOD THERE NOW.
I KNOW THIS DEVELOPMENT WHEN, UM, MR. MCCARTY CAME AND STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING HAS CHANGED, BUT I KNOW WHEN HE CAME AND, UH, AT THE OPEN HOUSES FOR THE COMP PLAN AND STUFF MM-HMM
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY LOOKED AT IS NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY MM-HMM
AND IT WAS, I THOUGHT THE IDEA WAS THAT THESE, THESE WOULD BE DESIGNED SO THAT AN ORDER PER, BECAUSE IT'S A ONE LEVEL LIVING.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, BUT HE HASN'T SUBMITTED THE ACTUAL HOUSE PLANS TO US.
BUT I KNEW THAT WAS THE ID, THE IDEA.
AND ALSO THEY WERE, IT WAS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT WIDER SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE SPACE GOING OUT FOR SOMEBODY.
AND, AND HONESTLY, THE OLDER I GET, I CAN ALMOST SEE WHY PEOPLE START TO THINK THOSE.
MY SPLIT FOYER IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO GROW OLD IN.
UM, SO ANYWAY, BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS IN PARTICULAR? SO THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT, THANK YOU THAT THE TASK HERE IS TO, UM, ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AS A BACKSTOP TO STAFF.
AND WE'VE TAKEN IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE, SO WHAT'S THE NEXT STAGE WHEN THE BIG TEST? SO I BELIEVE THE NEXT STAGE IS THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, THEY'LL START THEIR SITE PLAN IS WHAT THE SITE PLAN AND THEN THEY'LL, UM, MOVE ON TO ZONING AND THEN, AND THEY'LL START, AND THEN THEY'LL START WORKING THROUGH THE COUNTY WITH THE GRADING PERMITS AND CLEARING EVERYTHING AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE STORM WATER SUB.
SO THERE'S STILL, THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT WAYS OUT FROM ACTUALLY MOVING DIRT.
I HAVEN'T KNOWING IN THAT AREA.
IT'S LIKE, IT, IT, IT'S LIKE A, IT LOOKS A LOT
IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, IT'S LIKE A LOT WHEN YOU'RE THERE, IT'S LIKE HOW, BUT IF YOU LOOK LIKE DOWN THAT STREET DOWN UM, WHAT IS IT, ORCHARD? YEAH.
BASICALLY WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS WHAT'S GOING, IT'S JUST GONNA GET COMPLETED THERE.
SO INSTEAD OF THOSE, THAT STRETCH OF WOOD, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHAT'S THERE, BUT NOWHERE.
BEFORE YOU HIT THE TOWNHOUSES WHEN YOU GO, I GUESS, WELL, ESSENTIALLY, LIKE SOME OF THOSE TOWN, THERE ARE DUPLEXES ON THAT STREET.
BUT THEY, BUT THEY ARE KEEPING THE ORIGINAL MCCARTY HOUSE THEN, I GUESS.
'CAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T, THAT COULD PROBABLY HAVE BEEN THREE OR FOUR MORE DUPLEXES.
I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THEY DIDN'T, UH, THAT THEY, IF
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IT'S HIGH, IF IT'S HIGH END, THEY CAN TURN THAT INTO THE CLUBHOUSE.SO AMY, IF WE'RE GOOD, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'LL BE ON THE 27TH.
SO, BUT SINCE YOU JUST SAID THAT BUSINESS ITEM, BUT NOT ON A, UM, NOT CONSENT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR CONSENT FOR THE 27TH YET, DO WE? WHO KNOWS? RIGHT.
ITEM FOUR E IS THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING ITEMS FOR JANUARY 16TH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NO MORE.
UM, THE COUNTY REACHED OUT TO US, AND, UM, THEY CANNOT MEET ON JANUARY 16TH.
I BELIEVE THAT MS. PRESLEY ASKED FOR OTHER DATES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD GOTTEN BACK WITH YOU.
NO, I, I, IT IS MY SUGGESTION.
UM, AND, AND HONESTLY, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE, MR. BUTLER'S, NOW THE CHAIRMAN, I HAD TALKED WITH MS. MCC, MS. COLORS, WHO WAS THE CHAIRMAN PRIOR TO TUESDAY.
C AND I CHAIRMAN ABOUT, UM, SOME OTHER DATES.
BUT IF THEY ARE WILLING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO IT JANUARY 30TH, WHICH IS A THURSDAY.
THERE'S ACTUALLY FIVE THURSDAYS IN JANUARY.
UM, AND THAT, I WAS THINKING THAT ONLY BECAUSE IF YOU LET GET TOO FAR OUT, THE NEXT ONE IS IN APRIL.
UM, AND FEBRUARY, WE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A BUSY MONTH IN FEBRUARY.
THIS COUNCIL DOES, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, TWO WORK SESSIONS.
ONE, UM, REGULAR MEETING AND TWO RETREATS.
SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT THEY WILL, UM, GO WITH JANUARY 30TH.
AND THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT, LIKE, DO WE EVEN NEED A MEETING? BUT, UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT MIGHT BE ON THE HORIZON.
SO, UM, THE FIRST THING THAT I'M GONNA ASK, UH, TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA IS, UM, THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS.
SO THE MODEL FOR THAT, UM, HOW THE NUMBERS ARE CALCULATED FOR A DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND, UM, ASK FOR A REZONING.
YOU ALL KNOW THIS BEFORE MM-HMM
THAT THIS HAS GONE ON MORE THAN ONE TIME, AT LEAST DEFINITELY SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
THAT, UM, THEY USE A CERTAIN FORMULA TO CALCULATE IT.
AND I KNOW THAT WHEN TARYN LOGAN WAS, UM, WITH THE COUNTY, SHE SPECIFICALLY SAID THOSE NUMBER, LIKE, THOSE CALCULATIONS WERE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YEAR IT WAS, BUT IT WASN'T ANYTHING RECENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 15 YEARS.
SO 15 YEARS, A LOT HAS CHANGED IN 15 YEARS IN OUR ECONOMY AND, AND EDUCATING CHILDREN AND ALL THE THINGS THAT COULD BE FISCAL IMPACT.
SO, UM, I KNOW THAT I'M NOT THE FIRST PERSON THAT'S ASKED ABOUT THIS.
AND AT ONE POINT SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, IT'S THE SCHOOL BOARD'S ROLE TO CALCULATE IT.
AND THEN THE SCHOOL, THEY WERE, THE SCHOOL BOARD WAS TOLD NO, IT'S THE COUNTY JOB RESPONSIBILITY TO CALCULATE IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I, I WANT ON THE AGENDA, LIKE, WHO'S GONNA BE CALCULATING IT AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE YESTERDAY.
BUT ALL SERIOUSNESS, BECAUSE, UM, WHAT HAPPENS IS, AND IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED TO US, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME IN AND THEY TALK ABOUT PROFFERS, WHICH ARE NOT, THEY'RE VOLUNTARY, I KNOW THAT, BUT THE PROFFERS THAT THEY'VE OFFERED HAVE BEEN BASED ON THESE OLD NUMBERS.
AND I, I KNOW COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT ONE TIME IN PARTICULAR, YOU, I REMEMBER YOU ASKED, AND WE ALL WERE LIKE, YEAH, HOW IN THE WORLD THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE ENOUGH MONEY.
UM, SO I'D LIKE, I, I THINK WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION OF WHEN IT'S GONNA BE DONE, WHO'S DOING IT, AND, YOU KNOW, AND JUST GET THE BALL ROLLING IF WE CAN.
WELL, WE, I THINK THAT WE TAKE THE WRAP, A BAD WRAP FOR OVERPOPULATING THE SCHOOLS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE GROWTH IN THE COUNTY OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF THE REALLY THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CREATE WHAT WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR.
S IT, IT HAS TO BE A COUNTY FUNCTION.
SO WHEN THEY SAY, WELL, YOU'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH MONEY, YOU'RE DOING THIS, YOU'RE, NO, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROCESS.
WE RELY ON OUR COUNTY PARTNERS TO TELL US WHAT IS THE CALCULATION, WHAT SHOULD WE BE ASKING ON A PER HOUSE OR WHATEVER, RIGHT.
AND HONESTLY, I, I, I COULD NAME THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT, UM, BUT I WON'T BOTHER.
BUT THAT'S WHEN IT FIRST CAME TO MIND
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THAT, THAT, AND WE ASKED QUESTIONS.AND LIKE I SAID, SOMEBODY WITH THE COUNTY, I WAS LIKE, WELL, WHEN, WELL, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS NUMBER FROM? AND THEY, THEY, THAT'S WHEN THEY SAID THAT I, I LET SAY 2010 OR PRIOR TO THAT EVEN, MAYBE.
AND I WOULD, THAT'S WHY I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THE NUMBERS DON'T SEEM, AND LET'S BE HONEST, THE DEVELOPER'S NOT GONNA COME IN HERE AND OFFER MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
THEY, THEY ACTUALLY START WITH THE COUNTY AND FIND OUT FROM THEM.
SO ANYWAY, IS ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UH, ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH ME TO ADD THAT TO THE LIAISON MEETING? NO.
OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE? OH, OH, I GOT ANOTHER ONE.
I, I'VE HAD LOTS OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS ONE, BUT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, UM, WE NEED TO ASK IF THERE IS A PLAN TO CHANGE THE TIPPING FEES
SO, UM, JUST, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TIPPING FEES, AND THEN THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF SOME OF OUR FEES MIGHT BE CHANGING THAT WOULD IMPACT THEM.
SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TOPIC FOR US TO HAVE AS PEOPLE ARE, UM, FORMULATING THEIR BUDGETS TO KNOW WHAT NUMBERS SHIFT THE POSS THE POSSIBILITY OF AN MOU TO ADDRESS THAT.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? WELL, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A BETTER TO ELIMINATE THE MYSTERY.
I WOULD, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD EXPAND IT TO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A FISCAL IMPACT INCREASE FOR US.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE ARE AT THEIR EMERGENCY FOR, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, THINGS I CAN THINK OF, I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT, THAT IMPACTS OUR CITIZENS IN THAT RESPECT.
NOT THAT WE, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT COULD IMPACT THEM.
UM, AND SO WE WILL MAYBE, YOU KNOW, FOR, DEPENDING ON WHEN WE MEET, WE MAY WANNA SHARE WITH THEM SOME OF OUR FEE STRUCTURES MIGHT CHANGE THAT COULD IMPACT THEM.
AND SO WITH THE SAME, WITH THE SAME HOPE THAT I MENTIONED IN OCTOBER AT THE LAST LIAISON MEETING, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE BE MORE COMMUNICATION IF THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GOING TO BE HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT COMMUNICATION HAPPENS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
WE WANNA DO THE SAME THING IN CASE OUR FEES ARE GONNA BE CHANGING AND IT WOULD IMPACT THEM.
WE WANNA BE AS TRANSPARENT WITH THEM AS WE HOPE THAT THEY WOULD BE WITH US.
WHAT OTHER ITEMS WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO SEE US? UM, I, I HONESTLY LOOKING, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD WAS THAT JOINT TOW BOARD DISCUSSION.
YOU WERE WITH ME, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BUT WE NEVER REALLY, THEY, THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE A DECISION THEN, BUT THEY ACTED LIKE THEY WERE GONNA BRING IT BACK.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA BRING THAT BACK IN JANUARY.
I KNOW YOU GUYS SAW THAT IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, BUT WHAT HAPPENED IN ALL, UM, IN WHAT HAPPENED IN OCTOBER IS, UH, THE JOINT TOW BOARD ASKED THAT WE CAP THE AMOUNT OF COMPANIES THAT WOULD BE ON THE TOW LIST.
I KNOW I'M PROBABLY SAYING THAT WRONG, BUT DO YOU UNDERS, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH, I, I RECALL THAT.
AND THERE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD CONVERSATION.
PART OF IT BEING THAT, UM, LIKE HOW DO YOU GET ON THE LIST? DOES ANYBODY ROTATE OFF THE LIST? UM, BECAUSE BY CAPPING IT BY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BUSINESSES, THEN YOU'RE RESTRICTING ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT WOULD WANNA GET ON IT.
BUT THE, UM, MISS KNOT THAT WAS, UM, REPRESENTING THE TOW BOARD, UM, SAID THAT IT IT, FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET ON THE LIST, THEY WANT THE COMFORT OF KNOWING THEY'RE GONNA BE ON THE LIST BECAUSE OF MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A GOOD CONVERSATION, BUT, BUT WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE ACTION.
THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNTY DOES MM-HMM
ISN'T THAT HOW YOU UNDERSTOOD, THAT'S HOW, TOO, YEAH.
BECAUSE IT'S A JOINT, UM, CHIEF, IS THERE ANYTHING I'M LEAVING OUT ON THAT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY? IT'S JUST BASICALLY IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, YOU AS THE PERSON IN THE ACCIDENT CAN REQUEST YOUR OWN TOWING COMPANY, BUT IF NOT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, IT'S A ROTATING LIST AND YOU ALL JUST CALL THE NEXT PERSON, NEXT PERSON, NEXT PERSON.
SO IF YOU'RE ON THAT LIST AND YOU'RE A TOWING COMPANY, THAT ALONE GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROBABLY GET MORE BUSINESS, I WOULD THINK, RIGHT.
BY BEING ON THE LIST, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
BUT LIKE YOU SAID THOUGH, IT WAS, THE, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT IT WOULD KEEP
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VETTED, UH, PROVI VETTED TOW COMPANIES ON IT.YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WAS HER MAIN CONCERN.
IT WAS MAKING SURE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND WHEN NEEDED.
SO, AND I KNOW I ASKED, I ASKED LIKE, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME ON THAT? LIKE, DO THEY STAY ON IT FOR THREE YEARS, TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS? AND I THINK WHAT SHE SAID IS, SHE SAID THEY JUST STAY ON IT UNTIL THEY, UNTIL THEY, THEY LONGER COMPANY OR SO, SO, AND I, AND I GET THAT.
THE ONLY THING ABOUT THAT IS LIKE, IN MY MIND, I THOUGHT, BUT IF YOU ARE LIKE A NEW TOW COMPANY, HOW DO YOU BREAK INTO THAT MONOPOLY IF YOU NEVER GET TO BE ON THE TOW LIST? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S LIKE MM-HMM
NOW THEY COULD BE CALLED IF THE PERSON IN THE ACCIDENT CALLS THEM, BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH.
LIKE, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN AN OR DEAL HERE, PROBABLY.
SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA WAIT TO SEE IF THE COUNT, IF THEY WANNA PUT THAT BACK ON OR WHAT.
AND THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, THAT PARTICULAR THING AT THE LIAISON, IT DIDN'T REALLY ADDRESS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO, TO BRING UP.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD HELP IF WE BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN OR NOT.
SO ANYWAY, UM, WE WILL NOT WAIT, NO.
IF WE, IF IT'S NOT TILL THE 30TH, WE WILL HAVE ALREADY TAKEN ACTION ON OUR VAPE SHOPS THING BY THEN.
NO, I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ON HERE.
WE AT THAT POINT, WE WILL, WE WILL KNOW MORE.
SO, UM, THE ONLY UNDERSTAND IS WE'LL, TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE THEN EITHER.
WE THE ONLY, HOWEVER, THOUGH, THAT MIGHT BE A, A POINT OF DISCUSSION MAYBE THE, THE WHO, THE COUNTY WHO, WHO THE COUNTY GONNA HAVE ON IT.
AND ALSO TOO, WHEN THE NEXT THEY, THEY MAY, THEY MAY DECIDE.
YOU MEAN THE COMMITTEE CAN CHANGE THE TIME TOO? I MEAN, WHEN IT MEETS TWO DEGREES, IF YOU GUYS GET TOGETHER.
SO MAYBE JUST A QUESTION OF WHEN DOES THE TRANSPORTATION IN MEETING WANT TO TAKE PLACE? YEAH.
OF COURSE, THAT COULD PROBABLY BE DONE THROUGH AN EMAIL, BUT MAYBE IT IS A GOOD TIME TO BRING IT UP THEN THE WATER YOU DITCH OUTSIDE THE TOWN LIMITS.
THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND IT DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY KIND OF RESOLUTION ABOUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO, I MEAN, MAYBE IF WE'RE REALLY LUCKY, WE WON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE THIS SUMMER, BUT WE'RE COLLECTING AROUND WATER I THROUGH THE SNOW RIGHT NOW.
BUT I, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT NEEDS TO, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE STILL NEED TO WORK OUT WITH THE COUNTY.
LIKE HOW, IF WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT IN THE COUNTY, WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE IT? I THINK WE NEED TO STILL, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP WATER ON THE AGENDA, UM, WHETHER EITHER WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SNOW STORM OR NOT.
AND, AND IT KEEPS US MOVING FORWARD TOO.
AND, AND TO TALK ABOUT WHATEVER STEPS WE'VE TAKEN.
I DON'T REMEMBER NOW WHAT OUR TIMELINE IS FOR FINDING OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR SECONDARY WATER SOURCE.
I THINK WE JUST ALWAYS, WE NEED TO KEEP IT ON THE, THE AGENDA.
YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN IN RICHMOND RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, THAT'S A, IT'S A BIG DEAL.
HOW ABOUT CALIFORNIA? OKAY, SO MS. PRESLEY, THE TOPIC COULD BE WATER
SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, MAYBE THE SUMMARY JUST TALKS ABOUT, IT COULD STILL BE THE WATER USAGE, OUTSIDE TOWN LIMITS, DURING TOWN WATER CONSERVATION, AND THEN JUST WATER IN GENERAL.
WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO THOUGH, IS PUT IN ON AN AGENDA IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO UPDATE ON.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY, WELL, WHAT IS OUR, I MEAN, YEAH.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY UPDATES OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS A TIMEFRAME SECONDARY WATER SOURCE WILL BRING, OR NOT SECONDARY, BUT OUR, UH, MCKAY SPRINGS, WILL WE BRING THEM BACK TO THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN FEBRUARY.
SO, SO THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONAL YEAH.
CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP THEM TO KNOW.
I MEAN, WE, WE JUST APPROVED, YOU KNOW, ALBEIT NOT MUCH OF AN IMPACT CON CONSIDERING OUR, OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, UM, CAPACITY, BUT LETTING 'EM KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE, THAT WE'VE APPROVED RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER A QUARTER A COUPLE BUSINESSES FOR ADDING ONE.
'CAUSE I THE BIGGEST, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS YEAH.
WHEN THEY, AND THEY REQUESTED THAT.
IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THEM FIRST.
SO, SO LET JUST, WE'LL SEE IF WE HAVE, IF WE, IF IT, IF THE MEETING'S BY JANUARY 30TH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD AN UPDATE ON THE CASE SPRINGS.
IF THEY WANNA PUT IT OFF FOR A COUPLE WEEKS, WE MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO, TO OFFER.
THEY ALSO JUST RECENTLY, I KNEW THEY WERE WORKING ON THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
DID THEY DO THEIR FINAL IT, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON IT WAS LAST NIGHT.
SO I WONDER IF WE MISSED ANYTHING THAT
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THEY WANNA SHARE WITH US THAT IS PERTINENT FOR US TO PAY ATTENTION TO.UM, YOU COULD ASK THEM FOR SOME SORT OF, OR GO AHEAD.
WE, WE'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN REVIEWING IT.
LIZZIE'S BEEN REVIEWING IT AND KIND OF GOING THROUGH.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALWAYS PRESENT TO YOU, OR, UM, TYPICALLY ONCE A YEAR, THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETS WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION TOO.
SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSS THERE.
LIKE WE CAN KIND GET A SUMMARY OR SOMETHING FROM MATT LEY OR MAJOR CHANGES.
I THINK ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WAS THE ADUS OUT IN SOME OF THE, UM, MORE RURAL AREAS.
IT WAS A BIG AUXILIARY PATROL USE.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE MEAN THAT WE HOPE HAPPENS
ANYTHING COMING UP ON THAT? SO NEXT IS, WHO WANTS TO GO WITH, OH, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS BELONGS ON THERE OR NOT, BUT, UH, I, I WAS SORT OF INTERESTED IN, UH, IF POSSIBLE WITH, WITHIN THE COUNTY, IF A TOWN COUNTY CO COOPERATIVE APPROACH BE, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES, COULD SOMEHOW OPEN UP CONVERSATION AGAIN WITH VALLEY HEALTH ABOUT, UH, POLICIES.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO REFUSED TO MEET THE LAST TIME WE HAD A MEETING SET UP WITH THEM.
THE COUNTY OR THE VALLEY HEALTH? VALLEY HEALTH.
OH, YOU MEAN THE COUNTY IMPLEMENTING POLICY? YEAH.
I'M ASKING AS A, UH, COORDINATOR MEMBER.
THEY COORDINATED EFFORT TO DO IT, AND IT, IT MAY, YOU KNOW, IT, MAYBE IT'LL, YOU KNOW, HELP BRING, BRING IT BACK TO THE TABLE.
UM, DOES, CAN THE COUNTY ASK FOR PILOT FEES OR JUST US? SINCE THEY'RE IN THE TOWN, WE HAVE TO DO IT ON OUR OWN.
THE CITY OF WINCHESTER DID IT.
BUT FOR TOWN'S INTEREST, IT'S PRIMARILY BPO.
UM, SO BPO'S UNIQUE TO THE TOWN, CORRECT.
REAL ESTATE WOULD NOT BE, I DUNNO IF THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION, BUT I THINK THE, THE MEAT ON THE BONE RIGHT.
WOULD BE, BE, UH, POTENTIALLY, BUT IT VERY WELL COULD BE A JOINT EFFORT.
I MEAN, IF YOU WENT FOR REAL ESTATE, I'M NOT AGAINST ADDING IT TO, THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA SAY IS JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, IF WE ADD IT TO THE AGENDA, WE HAVE TO COMFORT WITH INFORMATION.
LIKE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF I MEAN, OR AT LEAST WHAT THE REQUEST IS.
AND IS THE REQUEST THAT, THAT WE SEE IF THE COUNTY WANTS TO OR PURSUE A JOINT EFFORT TO COLLECT SOME KIND OF FEES FROM VALLEY HEALTH? IS THAT WHAT, IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? UM, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, UH, IT JUST SEEMS TO, TO BE, UM, A MISSED OPPORTUNITY THAT I, I, GEORGE ASKED US.
GEORGE ASKED US AS A COUNCIL TO BRING HIM MM-HMM
CONTEXT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
SO IF NOBODY ON COUNCIL'S BROUGHT ANYTHING TO GEORGE, THEN THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO, AND GEORGE SET UP A MEETING WITH VALLEY HEALTH AS THEY HAD REQUESTED ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO, AND THEY DECIDED IF I WAS GONNA BE A PART OF IT, THEY DIDN'T WANNA MEET COUNCIL AS COUNCIL WAS GONNA BE A PART OF IT.
SO MAYBE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO LIAISON IS, IS THAT DO, SHOULD WE ADD IT TO ONE OF OUR WORK SESSIONS SO THAT COUNCIL CAN GIVE? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE PATH FORWARD FOR THAT? I, PREVIOUSLY WE WENT INTO CLOSE.
SO WE'LL PUT THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION THEN, AND SEE WHERE, WHERE'S THE BEST PLACE TO PUT THAT? THAT WAS FOR LEGAL ADVICE.
UM,
AND MR. WILSON, THAT, WAIT, SORRY.
TINA, YOU WANT TO SOMEONE OH, YEAH, I'M SORRY.
SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO JOIN ME IF WE HAVEN'T IN JANUARY, WHO HAS IT? I THINK EVERYBODY'S BEEN NOW, RIGHT? MM-HMM
IS ANYBODY BEEN TWICE? I WAS THERE IN OCTOBER.
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OKAY.I THOUGHT YOU HAVE, YOU'VE BEEN TWICE.
SO, SO WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO IN JANUARY? DON'T EVERYBODY JUMP.
THERE'S M AND MS ON THE TABLE.
SO COUNCILMAN WILL JOIN ME FOR THIS ONE.
AND, AND HOPEFULLY, LIKE I SAID, MS. PRESLEY, I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY EMAILED, BUT MAYBE NOW THAT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT EMAIL, ASK THEM IF THEY'RE WILLING TO MEET ON JANUARY 30TH.
BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS THE ONE WE HOST RIGHT HERE.
AND IT'LL BE AT 6:00 PM MM-HMM
SO AS SOON AS WE KNOW FOR SURE, COUNSEL WOULD ALL LET YOU KNOW FOR SURE.
FY 26 BUDGETARY ITEMS FOR REVIEW.
SO, UH, BRINGING FORWARD TO COUNCIL, UH, THE HIGHLIGHTS, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE STAND OUT OR WOULD BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET, UH, THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING.
UM, THE, UH, THIS ISN'T EVERYTHING.
UH, UH, AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT IS EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
UH, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE OUT OF THE ORDINARY OR, UM, JUST WANNA BRING THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION OUTSIDE OF NORMAL OPERATING EXPENSES.
BASICALLY THE, UM, AND NOT LOOKING FOR, UH, ANY KIND OF APPROVALS OR ANYTHING THIS EVENING.
UH, BASICALLY JUST BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO, UH, GIVE COUNSEL A HEADS UP BEFORE WE ACTUALLY INCLUDE THESE ITEMS IN THE BUDGET.
SO IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION, ANYTHING WE WANNA PREPARE FOR, NO MORE ABOUT, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THE, UH, I'LL TALK, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EVERY LINE BY I HERE, UH, BUT I WILL, UH, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS A FEW, A FEW OF THE THINGS HERE.
UH, SO RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE THE, UH, UH, 7% MEDICAL INSURANCE INCREASE, ESTIMATED $123,000.
I PROBABLY WON'T RECEIVE THE ACTUAL MEDICAL UNTIL THE END OF FEBRUARY.
UH, SO MOST LIKELY, UH, UH, PROBABLY REQUEST IS TO MAYBE REVIEW THE REVENUES IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN WE'LL COME, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET, UH, THERE IN MARCH.
UM, BUT A 2.7, UH, COLA, UH, IMPLEMENTED IN JANUARY 26, UH, 2026 OF 159,000, UH, DOLLARS THERE, 2%, 2.7%, UM, BEING THE, UH, UH, CONSUMER PRICE INDEX FOR, UH, POSITIONS AND SALARIES.
UH, 3%, UH, MERIT, UH, INCREASE BEING IMPLEMENTED IN OCTOBER OF 2025, WHICH WOULD BE $318,000.
AND THEN, UH, THE ADDITIONAL, UH, POSITIONS THERE, UH, DO HAVE TO GET BACK FOR THE DEPARTMENTS THERE AND, AND, UH, GO THROUGH THOSE.
UH, BUT, UM, THE, UH, UM, YEAH, UH, WE WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME HERE ON THESE RIGHT NOW.
THE COLA AND THE MERIT, UM, IMPLEMENT.
I JUST WANNA, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING A COLA THIS JANUARY TOO, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
I JUST MEANT THIS IS FOR THE NEXT BUDGET.
THE CURRENT BUDGET HAS A 3%, UH, MERIT AND A 3% COLA.
SO THIS ONE WOULD BE A 3% MERIT AND A 2.7% COLA.
AND THE IDEA WAS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GET OUR SALARIES BACK IN LINE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHERE, LIKE IN THE COMP STUDY AND THINGS LIKE THAT? CORRECT.
BUT THE, UH, UH, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME FROM THE, UH, COMPENSATION STUDY, UH, WAS TO DO A, UH, UH, AN ANNUAL INCREASE, UH, BASED ON THE CPI.
AND THAT'S WHAT EXACTLY WAS CONCLUDED HERE.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, I I SHOULD KNOW THIS, BUT HOW OFTEN DO YOU SHOP THE MEDICAL INSURANCE? SO, UH, THE MEDICAL INSURANCE IS THROUGH, UH, THE LOCAL CHOICE.
UM, IT'S A POOL PROGRAM, UH, THROUGH THE COMMONWEALTH.
UM, RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, WE ARE WITH THE LOCAL CHOICE.
IF WE EXIT THE LOCAL CHOICE, UH, THERE IS A, UH, A BIG, A BIG PROCESS BEHIND THAT.
UM, OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE LEFT THE LOCAL CHOICE, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET BACK INTO IT AND HAVING VERY, A LOT OF DIFFICULTY.
THINK THE CITY OF WINCHESTER DID, DIDN'T THEY? SO IT'S THE, UM, WINCHESTER, THE OTHER WINCHESTER BACK WHEN, UM, UH, THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO AT THE SAME TIME YOU BROUGHT THE POOL TO PRISON TO US.
WE DID LOOK AT A, A DIFFERENT POOL.
UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE, NOT ONLY, UH, OTHER LOCALITIES, BUT THE STATE IS IN TLC, LITTLE CHOICE.
BUT, UM, UH, WHEN VALLEY HEALTH, UH, AND ANTHEM COULDN'T COME TO TERMS, OUR EMPLOYEES WERE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO HARRISONBURG, AND WE REALLY DOVE INTO IT AND LOOKED AT GOING TO UNITEDHEALTHCARE.
UM, AND, UM, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, IT WAS GREAT, BUT IF YOU LOOK BACK ON IT NOW, UNITEDHEALTHCARE IS IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
UM, SO WE DID LOOK AT IT HEAVILY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO MM-HMM
UM, BUT, UH, UM, AND IT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE,
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BUT I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T RECOMMEND LEAVING THE POOL.IT'S VERY HARD TO GET BACK IN.
WELL, THAT GROUP THAT CAME WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE BASICALLY STARTING A NEW POOL AND, AND THEY WERE GONNA GET ALL THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT WERE A PART OF IT, BUT THEN WHEN, WHEN THE RUBBER WENT, LIKE, WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO IT, A LOT OF THOSE PLACES WERE LIKE, NO, NO THANKS, WE'RE NOT GONNA JOIN YOUR POOL.
AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, YEAH, THEN WE'RE, UH, YEAH.
SO WE, HR IS SCRAMBLING TO GET OUR APPLICATION BACK INTO TLC 'CAUSE WE, WE HAD EVERYTHING SET UP TO EXIT THE POOL, UM, BECAUSE OF VALLEY HEALTH.
UM, WELL, THEY FIGHT EVERY YEAR, EVERY YEAR ALMOST.
AND, AND IT IS, UH, CERTAINLY SOMETHING, UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT A, UM, UH, RETAINING ANOTHER CONSULTANT FOR INSURANCE TO HELP US OUT TO NAVIGATE THESE WATERS, SHOULD SOMETHING ARISE.
UM, THE, UH, BUT, UM, UH, WE HAVEN'T, UH, WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED THAT YET.
'CAUSE WE DO WANNA HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR BACK P POCKET SHOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT ARISE.
UM, LAURA, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS? NO, I, I, I THINK YOU COVERED EVERYTHING.
UM, THE CONSULTANT WE HOPE TO HAVE ON BOARD, UH, BY THE END OF THE MONTH.
OR, OR THE, YEAH, I, LIKE I SAID, THE FIRST PAGE I THINK IS YOU WERE DONE, OR NO, THAT'S ALL THE SAME PAGE, ISN'T IT? NO, THAT WAS THE FIRST PAGE.
I WAS GONNA MOVE ONE HERE TOO.
I MIGHT HAVE JUST LOST MY TRACK NOW.
THE, UM, UM, THE ONE THING THAT I WAS GONNA POINT OUT HERE IS, UH, WITH, UM, UH, THE TOWNS, UH, PRE DIFFERENT WITH EDA, UH, WE DO HAVE, UM, UH, THE SEED MONEY IN THERE FOR THE OPERATIONS AND PROJECTS AS WELL AS THE, UH, RETAIL STRATEGIES, UH, TO FUND THAT.
UM, WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THE FUNDS FROM CARRY FORWARD, UH, FOR FREE FOR THE, UH, RETAIL STRATEGIES THERE.
SO THE CONSULTANT FOR THE FIRING RANGE, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S US RIGHT'S.
'CAUSE THERE WAS TALK ABOUT LIKE A JOINT, NOT THAT THERE WAS TALK, BUT WERE WE EVER GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT? HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
THIS IS, THAT'S NOT, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AND IT, UH, TO GET A CONSULTANT JUST TO EXPLORE THE OPTIONS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TO SEE, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD WHAT WE CAN, WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AND WHAT WOULD BEST FIT US.
UH, NO, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, UH, THE OTHER THERE, UM, UH, LET'S SEE HERE.
UPDATING THE STANDARD SPECIFICATION MANUAL.
UM, THAT'S, UH, UH, DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UH, UH, POWER SUPPLIES CONSULTING.
THIS IS WITH THE ENERGY SERVICES, UH, DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, EXITING FROM BLUE RIDGE POWER, UM, AND, UH, UM, UH, ATTAINING OUR OWN, UH, CONSULTING FORM FIRM, UH, FOR POWER.
WE WOULD STILL REMAIN WITH ANN, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, POTENTIALLY REMOVING OURSELVES FROM BLUE RIDGE POWER.
UH, WHICH WAS, WAS THAT, THAT CONSULTANT WIND WAS THE CONSULTANT THAT CAME AND REPORTED? IT'S NOT THEM? NO.
WAS BLUE RIDGE WIND, WAS THAT THE WIND? UH, WHERE'S CARRIE AT? WHEN I NEED, I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL OF OUR PORTFOLIOS, SO YOU GOT, YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE ME THERE.
I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE PORTFOLIO AND I, I THINK IT JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE SOME OF THE NAMES.
BLUE RIDGE POWER AND BLUE RIDGE WIND ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, LET'S SEE HERE, WHAT ELSE? UM, SO THE, UH, UNDER THE WATER TREATMENT PLAN, WE HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THERE.
IT SAYS IMPINGEMENT AND A STREAMING STUDY FOR SOURCE, UH, WATER INTAKES, UM, FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THERE IS, UH, HIRE AFFIRM.
UM, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD US TALK ABOUT THE SCREENS FOR THE SURFACE WATER, UH, THAT WE, UM, HAVE TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
INTAKE MADE SMALLER, RIGHT? YES.
UH, IT'S A $15 MILLION PROJECT.
WE, UM, WE, UH, THERE MAY BE, UH, ANOTHER ROUTE WE CAN GO AND WE WANT TO EXPLORE THAT.
UH, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT, UH, THAT IS TO DO TO MAYBE HELP, UH, WITH THE, THE PROJECT COSTS ON THAT.
UH, SO IT IS, UH, WE ARE EXPECTING THAT TO BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, BUT, UM, TO HELP MAYBE REDUCE THAT $15 MILLION IMPACT TO US, UH, COMING DOWN THE LINE.
UH, THE SEWER MODEL UPDATES, THE LAST SEWER MODEL UPDATE WAS, UM, MANY YEARS AGO AS WE, UH, KIND OF DISCUSSED THE WORK SINCE MAY A MONTH OR TWO AGO.
AND WE HAVE THAT UPDATED, UM, OUR TIPPING FEES, UH, WITH WARREN COUNTY WITH $270,000.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING, BUT WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S ON THE HORIZON, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASSUMING FROM LAST YEAR'S CHANGE, RIGHT? YES.
270,000, WHICH THEY SAID IT WAS GONNA, YEAH.
SO, BUT THAT'S BEING INCURRED THOUGH THROUGH OUR FEES, RIGHT? YES, IT IS.
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WASTE.NO, I JUST, WHEN YOU COMPARE THE 25 BUDGET TO THE 20, IT IS NOT IN THE 25 BUDGET YET.
OUR CURRENT BUDGET, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T PROCESSED THE BUDGET AMENDMENT.
WE'RE DISCUSSING IT AFTER THIS, BUT RIGHT, RIGHT.
UH, HORTICULTURE HAS SOME PROJECTS WITH ACES THERE.
THEY, WHAT'S THE CAMERA MAINTENANCE FEE? SORRY.
UH, THE CAMERA MAINTENANCE FEE.
UH, SO, UH, ABOUT, UH, IN NOVEMBER WE CAME TO, UH, TOWN COUNCIL WITH A REQUEST FOR, TO OBTAIN CAMERAS FOR THE GARBAGE TRUCKS.
UM, AND THAT IS THE MAIN, THAT IS THE MAINTENANCE FEE FOR THE GARBAGE TRUCKS.
AS FAR AS THE, UH, UH, THINKING ABOUT THE DUMP THE CAMERAS FOR THE, UH, THE DUMPSTERS HERE ON MAIN STREET, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THAT.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE MOVING FORWARD FOR THAT NOW, SO.
AND FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN ANYTIME.
THE, UH, UH, THE ACES LARGE TREE REMOVAL PROJECT, YEAR TWO OF TWO, UH, FUNDING THAT, UH, TREE PURCHASES, UH, YEAR TWO OF FIVE OF THE GREENWAY PROJECT FOR ACES, UH, THE YEARLY TREE CANOPY, YEAR TWO OF THREE, AND THEN THE HAZARDOUS TREE REMOVAL, UH, NOT REPLACEMENT.
THOSE ARE ONGOING PROJECTS WITH ACES FOR, UH, DISC.
CONTINUING WITH, UM, LET'S SEE HERE, CREATION OF NEW DEPARTMENT, THE VERY LAST ONE THERE, THE TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION, IT HAS 160,187 LISTED, UH, THAT WILL BE REDUCED.
AND, UM, WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS APPARENTLY THERE'S A LINE ITEM UNDER, UM, HIGHWAY STREET HIGHWAYS AND STREET MAINTENANCE, UH, FOR TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION.
UH, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS JUST BREAK THAT OUT INTO ITS OWN DEPARTMENT TO BETTER ALL OR BETTER SEE THE EXPENDITURES.
UM, UH, RIGHT NOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IS, IS THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT IS INVOICING THE HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE FUND FOR, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION.
AND RATHER THAN HAVE THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT INVOICE, UM, UH, THE HIGHWAY, UH, HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT, UH, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST JUST TO SHOW IT DOWN IN ITS OWN DEPARTMENT.
SO, I'M GONNA ASK A REALLY SILLY QUESTION, BUT EVEN IF WE CREATE A NEW DEPARTMENT, IT'S NOT GONNA CREATE LIKE A NEW DEPARTMENT HEAD OR A NEW NOSING CHANGES AS FAR AS THIS, I KNOW.
I DON'T WANNA GROW GOVERNMENT, THAT'S ALL.
YOU WILL SEE SALARIES UNDER IT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE THE PORTION OF THE, UH, SALARIES, UM, OF THE INDIVIDUAL THAT, UH, THAT WORKS IN THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT.
SO YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE IN THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT'S SALARIES AND AN INCREASE OVER, OVER ON THE HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE, BUT YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE LINE ITEM, UH, REMOVED FROM HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE.
I'LL, I'LL GO INTO DETAIL WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE BUDGET.
I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T LIKE A NO, NO.
AND I WAS LIKE, IT IS ANOTHER DEPARTMENT PER SE, BUT THE EXPENDITURES ARE GONNA EVEN OUT.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WHAT ALL, WHAT IT'S ALSO FOR, TO HELP US OUT WHEN WE'RE GOING FOR THE VDOT FUNDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIKE THE GRANTS, UH, RECENTLY WE HAD THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THROUGH VDOT, AND IT WAS A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO HAVE, I HAD TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK AROUND THERE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT IT'LL, IT'LL HELP OUT.
DID, DID YOU MENTION THE ASSET WORK ORDER SOFTWARE? THE ASSET, UH, THAT'S YEAR THREE OF FIVE, UH, FOR THE ENERGY SERVICES.
UM, THEY GOT THAT SOFTWARE TWO, THREE YEARS AGO, AND IT'S, UH, JUST, UM, IT'S THE MAINTENANCE FEE ON IT THAT IT'S CARRYING FOR.
UH, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE SERVICES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS AT THIS TIME? UH, LET'S SEE HERE.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE, UH, UNDER THE MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT, UM, THE, UH, UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, GETTING A NEW, UH, FINANCIAL SOFTWARE FOR A MI AND A HOST OF OTHER THINGS.
AND, UH, WE DO HAVE IN HERE, UH, SEED MONEY FOR A TIME CLOCK SYSTEM SO WE CAN, UH, TRY TO GET, UM, UP TO SPEED ON OUR TIMEKEEPING.
HOW, HOW DO WE COLLECT TIME NOW? UH, MANUAL TIME CARDS.
TIME CLOCK SEEMS LIKE THROWBACK.
NINE O'CLOCK C WAS LIKE A THROWBACK.
THAT SEEMS LIKE AN OLD SYSTEM.
I MEAN, IT'S A, WHERE SOMEONE, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE OTHER SYSTEMS. I, I DON'T KNOW THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEWEST TECHNOLOGY TERM FOR IT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S AVAILABLE NOW.
TIME CLOCK DOESN'T SEEM LIKE, SORRY, I'M OLD SCHOOL AND THAT'S JUST WHAT COME OUT.
UM, PRIMARILY YOU WOULD, YOU COULD CLOCK IN ON YOUR COMPUTER.
YOU CAN EVEN DO IT BY PHONE, MOBILE PHONE.
THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT IT IS CLOCKING IN AND CLOCKING OUT.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST LIKE THAT PUNCH CARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE A NUMBER OF EXEMPT EMPLOYEES THOUGH.
I'M SORRY? YOU DON'T HAVE A NUMBER OF EXEMPT, I GUESS YOU HAVE A LOT, LOT OF DIFFERENT HOURLY WAGE EXEMPT.
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YEAH.WE HAVE A LOT MORE NON-EXEMPT THAN YOU DO.
WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF EXEMPT IN PLACE.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN CLOCK OUT WITH FACIAL RECOGNITION.
UM, REPLACE COMPUTERS RUNNING, UH, WINDOWS 10 FOR $55,000.
AND THAT'S THE, UM, IS THE HD, UH, SYSTEM, UH, THAT WE HAVE THERE.
UM, UH, REPLACE CAMERA SYSTEM, NON-ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
UH, WE HAVE 30,000, UH, DOLLARS INCLUDED THERE.
THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE GAZEBO, THIS BUILDING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, EJ, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO DO EVERY LINE ITEM.
I'M, I'M REALLY JUST TRYING TO HIT THE, OKAY.
I WAS JUST GONNA, I JUST FEEL BAD 'CAUSE I'M LIKE, I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY'S SEEN THIS.
THEY, THEY LITERALLY HAD IT EXTRA BECAUSE WE HAD IT SINCE BEFORE MONDAY.
BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY ABOUT THE SNOWPLOW REPLACEMENTS BECAUSE LET'S BE HONEST, THEY REALLY HAVEN'T HAD TO USE THEM A WHOLE LOT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, BUT THIS WEEK THEY'VE BEEN USING THEM FOR PLENTY, HAVEN'T THEY? YEAH.
YOU DON'T WANNA SEE THAT BILL.
THE, UH,
UM, AND ALTOGETHER IT'LL BE ABOUT A $300,000 PROJECT, BUT WE IS SPLIT BETWEEN WATER, UH, SEWER LINE MAINTENANCE, SOLID WASTE, AND STREETS.
ALL THOSE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS USE IT.
UM, IT IS, YOU KNOW, 45 YEARS OLD OR 40 YEARS OLD.
UM, THE OTHER ONE HERE BELOW IT THERE, THAT QUEST CAMERA TRUCKS, THAT ACTUALLY SAYS TRUCK, BUT THAT IS THE ONLY THE CAMERA EQUIPMENT.
UH, THAT'S WHY IT IS ONLY, THAT'S UNDER MACHINERY EQUIPMENT.
THE EQUIPMENT IS OUTDATED AND THAT'S THE, UH, FOR THE SEWER LINE MAINTENANCE, UM, THAT THEY USE FOR CAMERAING CONSTANTLY.
UM, UH, THE, UH, NOTHING, UH, REALLY ANYTHING ELSE HERE THAT I REALLY WANNA POINT OUT ON THIS PAGE, ON THE NEXT PAGE, THE BOARD EXPLORERS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT 'CAUSE THEY'RE ONLY FOUR YEARS OLD, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE USED 24 7.
THEY HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES THAT TOWN.
AND, AND SO, AND I WANNA SAY THIS AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC, SO WE DON'T, THEY MIGHT HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES AND PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES ON THEIR VEHICLES, BUT WE ALSO PUT THOSE INTO LIKE THE AUCTION, RIGHT.
WELL, WE'LL AUCTION 'EM, BUT WE'LL ALSO REPURPOSE THEM IF THEY CAN BE USED IN ANOTHER DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE ANOTHER VEHICLE THAT'S, UH, AGED OR OUTDATED AND RIGHT.
UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT HAS 200,000 MILES ON IT.
UM, WE'LL WE'LL SWITCH OUT THE OTHER DEPARTMENT'S VEHICLE AND THEN WE'LL EVENTUALLY AUCTION ONE OFF.
AND I THINK THEY WERE OVER 150,000 LAST TIME WE REPLACED THEM BECAUSE THEY GOT GOT DELAYED.
BUT YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND IF, IF THAT CAR ROAD MILES, IT HAS 120,000 MILES ON IT.
I MEAN, SOMEBODY'S ALWAYS IN, THEY'RE READY TO BE REPLACED.
I WAS JUST POINTING THAT OUT FOR OTHERS.
OTHERS WHAT? SO ON THE NEXT PAGE THERE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, I WANTED TO UH, KIND OF POINT OUT THAT THERE'S SOME GREEN HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS THERE.
UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THE WATER SEWER, UM, RATE STUDY.
IT'S BEEN FIVE YEARS SINCE WE'VE COMPLETED THAT.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT, UH, WITH THE CONSULTANTS.
AND UH, THOSE GREEN HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO INCORPORATE INTO THE RATES TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN DEBT SERVICE FUNDING FOR THOSE.
UM, UH, THE FOUR H UH, STATION, UH, FOUR H PUMP STATION UPGRADES.
I THINK THOSE WERE FROM THE LATE SEVENTIES, UH, JAMESTOWN PUMP STATION UPGRADE.
THAT'S, UM, RIGHT, RIGHT AROUND THE SAME TIMEFRAME.
WHAT'D THEY JUST DO TO THE, TO THAT JAMESTOWN ROAD? THEY HAD THE ROAD, THEY PUT A VAULT PUT, PUT A VAULT OR SOMETHING IN, WHAT'S THAT? ALWAYS FIXING IT.
AND I KNOW I EVEN ASKED ROBBIE AND WE'VE DISCUSSED IT BEFORE, BUT I CANNOT REMEMBER TOP HEAD BANDAID WAS VAULT.
AND I THEY REPLACED THE VAULT.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I KNOW.
AND I THINK BJ POINTED OUT WHEN WE REPLACED THAT VAULT, THAT PRICE OF YES.
UM, LITERALLY THAT WAS THE PRESSURE REDUCING, UH, VALVE VAULT THAT WE REPLACED.
AND UM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DID SOMETHING ELSE THERE.
LEMME CIRCLE BACK AROUND WATER.
SO IF IT PUT A PRESSURE REDUCING VAULT OR VALVE IN IT, CAN THE HYDROGEN UP THE STREET BE USED INSTEAD OF BEING PAINTED BLACK? I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE INTERCONNECTION IS GOING TO HELP OUT WITH BECAUSE THE PRESSURE IS TOO HIGH RIGHT THERE, THERE, IT'S TOO DOWN THAT HIGH.
AND, UH, IF YOU LOOK DOWN HERE, THERE'S AN INTERCONNECTION.
THERE'S AN INTERCONNECTION SOMEWHERE THERE.
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UH, YEAH.YOU FOUND BORDER LINE MAINTENANCE.
AND I THINK THAT WILL HELP OUT SOME WITH THE PRESSURE THERE, UH, TO, UM, THE END GOAL IS TO EVENTUALLY MAKE THAT, UH, ACCESSIBLE.
BUT I KNOW THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.
UH, SO WE ARE WORKING TOWARD IT, BUT, UM, UH, NOT QUITE THERE YET.
UH, SO, UH, BUT ANYWAY, UM, GREEN HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS I DO WANNA, UH, LOOK AT GETTING SOME DEBT SERVICE FOR TO, UH, GET THOSE UP.
AND, UH, MOVING, UH, THE ONE OR ONE OF 'EM IS, UH, IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD PAY FOR ITSELF IS NOT EVEN AN OPINION, BUT, UH, THAT BASED ON ENGINEERING IS THE CENTRIFUGE PROJECT FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
UH, THAT WILL, UH, REDUCE, UH, CHEMICALS, UH, ELECTRIC WATER.
UM, IT'LL, IT SHOULD BASICALLY PAY FOR ITSELF ONCE WE GET THAT DEAD SURFACE THERE.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, OF COURSE THE PAVING, UH, OR THE UH, THE WATER, UH, WATERLINE UPGRADES DO, UH, COINCIDE WITH OUR PAVING PROGRAM.
AND THEN THE VERY LAST SECTION THERE, ONE, OUR ACTUAL DEBT SERVICE JUST BREAKS DOWN ALL THE DIFFERENT DEBT SERVICES THAT WE HAVE ALONG WITH THE INTEREST RATES FROM WHEN THEY END.
SO, UM, SO YOU HAVE ON HERE PAID TO WARREN COUNTY ON LEACH'S RUN.
ARE WE MAKING PAYMENTS ON LEACH'S ROOM? YES.
FOR THE, UH, UH, FOR THE VRA BOND, WE DO MAKE PAYMENTS TO WARREN COUNTY.
UM, AND THAT IS THE, UM, THAT'S THE BOND THAT WARREN COUNTY OBTAINED, UH, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THAT IS NOT THE PROPERTIES, UH, THAT IS, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF LEERA PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, UH, I KNOW, I KNOW THE ISSUE THAT THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THIS, BUT IT, IT BOTHERS ME THAT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY SEED MONEY IN THE, FOR THE WEST, WEST MAIN CONNECTOR AT SOME POINT.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, LOCATION OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, IN ORDER TO GET OVER TO VISCO CITY, AS THEY CALL IT, WHICH WOULD BE THE SOUTH END OF TOWN, YOU HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CITY AND THEN COME BACK UP TO MAKE IT.
AND AT SOME POINT WE NEED THAT ROAD, UH, TO GET OVER TO THE, IF NOTHING ELSE, FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.
UH, SO I, I, YOU KNOW, I I, I THINK THAT WE NEED, WE NEED TO, TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOME SEED MONEY INTO, UM, HAVING THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT ROAD BUILT AT SOME POINT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA STAY VACANT FOREVER.
THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE AN INTERCONNECTION AT SOME POINT.
BJ, ISN'T THIS THE LAST YEAR OF THE PAYMENT THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THE FRAUDULENT BOND ON THAT ROAD? UM, THE, UH, BASED ON THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH VDOT, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, APRIL IS WHEN WE CAN EXPECT THEM TO
WHICH WE'VE BEEN MAKING PAYMENTS THEN WE WOULD, SO THE TOWN HAD BEEN, WE HAD SEEDED MONEY FOR IT, BUT IT WAS A FRAUDULENT LOAN THAT, WELL IT WAS A FRAUDULENT GRANT THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING BACK.
BUT WHILE I AGREE WITH YOU, IT HAS COSTED US A LOT OF MONEY.
BUT, AND I, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER 'CAUSE WE HAVE A RETREAT NEXT MONTH, WHICH IS WHERE ALL OF US NEED TO BRING OUR DEMANDS, WISHES, AND REQUESTS.
ONE THING I WILL SAY THOUGH IS WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I USED TO KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT WAS.
HOW MUCH IS IT WE'VE BEEN SETTING ASIDE FOR THE LAST SO MANY YEARS? SIX GRAND.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT AFTER THIS YEAR WHEN WE'RE DONE SETTING THAT MONEY ASIDE, OUT OF THIS BUDGET, UM, I DON'T KNOW, FISCAL BE 26, THOSE FUNDS WILL BE FREED UP.
AND THEN MAY BE A DISCUSSION WE WANT TO HAVE DURING YEAH.
ARE WE, ARE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S ALL.
I, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR, UM, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME AFTER IF YOU'D LIKE.
UH, FIVE A, SO THIS IS THE MAIN STREET SOLID WASTE SERVICE AREA THREE CONTINUED DISCUSSION.
UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE TALKED AND TALKED AND TALKED ABOUT THIS.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE AT THE DECEMBER 2ND WORK SESSION, OUR CONSULTANTS VIRTUALLY PROVIDED A PRESENTATION AGAIN ABOUT OUR SOLID WASTE RATES.
WE GOT, HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF INFORMATION.
UM, WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT
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ABOUT THE FEE STRUCTURE? UM, BECAUSE WHEN WE KIND OF PAUSED THINGS WE'RE GOING IN THE RED FURTHER, I MEAN, RIGHT? I MEAN, YES.SO I MEAN, THAT'S THE LONG SHORT OF IT.
SO, UM, SO IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR AGENDA ON THE MEMORANDUM THAT BJ SENT OR THAT THE CONSULTANTS SENT TO BJ, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD ASKED THEM, WE ASKED THEM TO UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY PUT ALL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER 'CAUSE WE'VE DONE A WHOLE LOT OF TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO TABLE ONE, WERE ALL THE DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS.
RESIDENTIAL CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO, CLASS THREE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, TABLE TWO, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST HELPFUL IS THE, UM, WHAT THE SUBSIDY IS REQUIRED.
IT'S A SLIDING SCALE BASED ON WHAT THE YEAH, IT'S A SLIDING SCALE.
SO WE HAVE CLASS ONE WAS $46, CLASS TWO WAS $120.
AND WHAT WE HAD DECIDED ORIGINALLY WHAT WE APPROVED, I BELIEVE IN SEPTEMBER, RIGHT? IT WAS EITHER SEPTEMBER.
SEPTEMBER WAS 425 FOR THE CLASS THREE ACCOUNTS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE DISCUSSION CAME IN IS SOME PEOPLE FEELING LIKE, WELL, FIRST OFF PEOPLE WERE UPSET ABOUT WHERE THEIR CLASS WAS.
I BELIEVE THAT AS WE WERE TOLD AT THE DECEMBER 2ND WORK SESSION, THE MAJORITY OF ALL OF THAT WAS RE YOU KNOW, WE'VE ADDRESSED, YES, WE'VE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS, WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE CONCERNS.
THE ONLY THING LEFT IS WHAT TO DO WITH THE CLASS THREE FEE.
AND UM, IT'S CURRENTLY SUPPOSED TO BE $425.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY SET.
AND THEN THEY SAID, WE ASKED, WELL WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAD DIFFERENT AMOUNTS.
AND SO WHAT THEY DID WAS TO GIVE US, UM, SO THE CLASS THREE ACTUALLY HAS TWO ACCOUNTS, RIGHT? THERE ARE ONLY TWO ACCOUNTS IN THE MAIN STREET AREA THAT ARE AFFECTED BY, UM, THE CLASS THREE, UH, RATES, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD.
I'M GONNA SAY RATES, FEES, WHATEVER MONTHLY FEE.
SO, UM, IF WE LEFT EVERYTHING AS WE SAID IN SEPTEMBER WHERE THE RATES WOULD BE THE SAME, OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE NOW CLASSED DIFFERENTLY, BUT IF WE LEFT EVERYTHING AS IT IS, THEN WE ARE SUBSIDIZING FOR MAIN STREET $17,456.
UH, AND UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ON A SLIDING SCALE OF HOW MUCH, SO I GUESS WHAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO DECIDE IS WHERE YOU WANT THOSE RATES TO BE.
AND, AND A SIDE NOTE IS BASICALLY HOW MUCH DO YOU WANNA SUBSIDIZE MM-HMM.
TRASH SOLID WASTE FEES ON MAIN STREET FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, E EVERY, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK EVERYBODY AGREED TO THE, WELL, WE ALL DECIDED CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO.
THE ONLY THING WE NEED, YOU ALL NEED TO DECIDE TONIGHT IS WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE CLASS THREE RATES, WHICH AFFECTS TWO BUSINESSES.
CAN I SHARE INFORMATION WITH COUNSEL? MM-HMM
I SPOKE WITH A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS WHO ARE LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
THEY'RE EITHER ON MAIN STREET OR CHESTER STREET, BUT NOT IN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN WHERE THEY GET THEIR TRASH PICKED UP BY THE TOWN.
AND SOME OF THEM WERE WILLING TO SHARE 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE OUR SERVICE.
THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN PRIVATE SERVICE.
AND THEY WERE WILLING TO SHARE THE NAMES OF THOSE SERVICES AS WELL AS THE AMOUNTS WITH ME AND SAID I COULD SHARE IT WITH COUNSEL AND I SHARED IT WITH JOE.
I HADN'T GOT TO SHARE IT WITH BJ YET.
UM, REPUBLIC SERVICES OUT OF WINCHESTER IS THE POPULAR ONE WITH A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES IN FRONT ROYAL AS A WHOLE.
I TALKED TO SOME THAT WEREN'T ON MAIN STREET EITHER, BUT TO MAKE IT COMPARABLE TO THE PEOPLE ON MAIN STREET FOR CLASS THREE FOR ONCE A WEEK, TRASH PICKUP, IT'S $499.
AND UM, ONCE A WEEK IS NOT ENOUGH DURING APRIL TO NOVEMBER, WHICH IS CONSIDERED PEAK SEASON FOR DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT IS WHEN THEY PAY 1050 $3 A MONTH FOR TRASH PICKUP ONE EITHER MAIN STREET OR CHESTER STREET BY, IS THAT FOR TWO TIMES A WEEK FROM APRIL TO NOVEMBER? THAT'S FOR TWO TIMES A WEEK.
UM, AND PEOPLE ASKED FOR METRICS AND UM, SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS GAVE ME SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS FOR SALES COMPARISON.
UM, 'CAUSE AS WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS AND I WAS TALKING TO OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS, YOU KNOW, LIKE OBVIOUSLY PIZZA RESTAURANTS, LIKE MELTING POT FOR INSTANCE, THEY DO A LOT OF TAKEOUT
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AND CARRY OUT.SO LIKE WE CAN'T CONSIDER THEIR SALES TAX AND COMPARISON TO ON Q, WHO A LOT OF PEOPLE GO IN AND EAT AT THE BAR OR THE TABLES OR BARISTA FOR THAT MATTER DOESN'T DO AS MUCH TAKEOUT AS THEY DO IN PERSON SEATING.
PEOPLE GO THERE TO HAVE A MEAL.
UM, SO IF YOU WANTED TO GET A COMPARISON OF HOW THE CALCULATIONS COULD BE CONSIDERED, UM, LDS IS ON MAIN STREET.
MAIN STREET MILL IS ON MAIN STREET.
THERE'S ANOTHER RESTAURANT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE OFFERED TOWN PICKUP OPENING ON THE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE MILL ON MAIN STREET.
AND THEN THERE'S TWO PLACES THAT SERVE FOOD AND DRINKS ON CHESTER STREET.
UM, AND THE SALES TAX WAS BROUGHT UP TO COUNCIL AND WE WERE TOLD THAT WE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE US THE SALES TAX, THE MEALS TAX, WHICH THEY DO.
BUT THE, THE BUSINESS DOESN'T PAY THAT TO US.
THAT'S A PASS THROUGH FEE THAT THE CONSUMER PAYS.
AND I WAS TOLD THAT THE TOWN ACTUALLY GIVES THEM A DISCOUNT AS WELL AS THEY PAY THEM ON TIME.
SO ANY BUSINESSES THAT ARE PAYING THEIR MEALS TAX TO THE TOWN ON TIME IS GETTING A DISCOUNT ON THAT PASS THROUGH FEE THAT THE CUSTOMER'S PAYING.
AND THOSE CUSTOMERS ARE PAYING MEALS TAX AT ALL THE OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT AREN'T GETTING THE TOWN SERVICES AS WELL, LIKE LDS, LIKE THE MILL AND LIKE THE PLACES ON CHESTER STREET.
SO OURS ARE CHEAPER THAN ANYBODY ELSE IS PAYING, IS WHAT I'VE GATHERED FROM EVERY RESTAURANT I'VE TALKED TO.
CLASS THREE, CLASS TWO, WHATEVER.
HOW MANY PICKUPS A WEEK IS THIS? TWO? I THOUGHT IT'S THREE.
SO IT DEPENDS ON WHICH, HOW HEAVY THEY ARE.
I MEAN THEY'LL, THEY'LL CHECK IT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, A WEEK LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S SNOW, MAYBE NOT SO BUSY, BUT IN GENERAL, LIKE I SAID, APRIL THROUGH NOVEMBER WE'RE DOING THREE TIMES A WEEK.
BUT THEY'RE ALSO SHARE OF DUMPSTERS.
THEY'RE NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THE BUSINESS.
BUT THAT WAS WHERE I SAID THE MEALS TAX, THE WEIGHT OF THEIR DISPOSAL.
LIKE THE WHAT THEY'RE DISPOSING VERSUS, YOU KNOW, A PERSON THROWING A TRASH BAG IN.
AND EVEN IF YOU TOOK ONE WHOLE ONE OUT, SO IF WE ONLY PICKED UP ONCE A WEEK, I'D STILL THINK IT'D BE SAFE TO SAY THAT VIBRA AND ONE Q ACCUMULATE MORE OR EQUAL TO THE TRASH OF LDS OR THE MILL.
ARE THEY ARE, ARE, ARE WE WILLING TO SHARE WHAT THE DISCOUNT IS? OH, THE DISCOUNT IS 4%.
IT BE THAT THEY'RE NOT EVEN PAYING THE PASSWORD.
WHAT THE MEAL, WHAT'S TAX? I JUST TAKE, IT'S MORE LIKE A COMMISSION.
SO WHAT'S THE MEAL TAX? A MEALS TAX IS 4% AND THEN THE DISCOUNT IS 4% OF THE, OF THE TOTAL OF THE TOKEN.
WELL, GOSH, MATHEMATICALLY I'M, THAT'S NOT MAKING SENSE TO ME.
SO YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE DISCOUNT OF THE ENTIRE, NOT PAYING THE MEALS TAX BY PAYING ON TIME.
SO IF THEY'RE PAYING THE TOWN A HUNDRED DOLLARS IN MEALS TAX FOR THE MONTH, IT WOULD TAKE A $4 DISCOUNT.
I WAS GONNA SAY IT WAS LIKE 4%.
I WAS LIKE, THEN WHAT, WHAT DO WE HAVE? OKAY, THE A HUNDRED IS COLLECTED FROM THE CUSTOMERS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE HOLDING THE FUNDS FOR US IN TRUST.
AND SO THAT 4% ISN'T RETURNED TO THE CUSTOMER? NO, THE THE BUSINESS OWNER, THE BUS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT, THAT ARE KEEPING UP WITH IT AND, AND ALL THAT STUFF.
WHAT IS ONE TIME? 20TH OF THE MONTH? 20TH THE MONTH.
WELL, I MEAN I, I, I KNOW I WAS TALKING LAST TIME ABOUT HOW I DON'T LIKE THE TOWN HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY SUBSIDIZE.
BUT I, I DO UNDERSTAND TOO THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, I THINK THE TOWN HAS AN INTEREST IN AND MAYBE KEEPING SOME OF IT THERE BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S OUR SHOWCASE.
IT'S A TOWN, IT'S OUR TOWN SHOWCASE, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO A HUNDRED PERCENT CUT IT OUT.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOME SORT OF, RIGHT.
THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOME SORT OF COST THERE, SOME WAY OF FASHION OR ANOTHER.
YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE LIEU OF THINGS AS THEY ARE.
I MEAN, I, I I THINK THAT'S, I MEAN IF, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, FRIENDLY TO BUSINESS, IF THAT'S A, A RATE THAT'S CHEAPER, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN WE'LL BE GETTING ELSEWHERE.
YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, LIKE I SAID, I'M OKAY WITH, WITH HAVING A BIT OF SUBSIDY THERE MYSELF JUST, WELL, WELL IT ALREADY IS.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH DO YOU WANNA SUBSIDIZE? I MEAN THAT'S REALLY, I MEAN, I'M JUST GONNA SAY LIKE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS SO MANY TIMES THAT THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS HOW MUCH DOES COUNCIL WANT THE CUSTOMERS, UH, SOLID WAYS TO SUBSIDIZE.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT COMING OUTTA GENERAL FUND, IT'S COMING OUTTA ENTERPRISE FUNDS, RIGHT.
IT CAN COME OUTTA GENERAL FUND.
I'M SORRY? I SAID IT CAN COME OUT OF GENERAL FUND.
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THEN, YEAH, BUT THEN YOUR TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO FILE WASTE.I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I I'M JUST SAYING FOR ME THAT WOULDN'T I, I THINK WE'D BE BETTER OFF IT COMING OUT OF THE ACTUAL FUNDS.
SO I HAVE, ARE WE SURE NOW THAT EVERY UTILITY WE, WE PUT OUT A UTILITY BILL FOR ALL THE UTILITY DUMP OUT, ARE ALL THEM NOW INCLUDING A TRASH FEE ON IT? NO, BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE METERS THAT, AND FOR ACCOUNTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A WATER, IF YOU HAVE A UTILITY ACCOUNT FOR JUST WATER, BUT THEN ALL OF THE REST OF THE BUILDING HAS ELECTRIC, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU SHOULDN'T BE BILLING THE WATER.
WHAT IF WE USE ELECTRICITY AS THE, IF YOU BUY ELECTRICITY, YOU GONNA BUY A TRASH PICKUP? UM, AGAIN, YOU HAVE ALWAYSS, SO YOU, YOU KNOW, MEANS YOU HAVE A, A LANDLORD ACCOUNT WHERE ALL THE, YOU HAVE SIX APARTMENTS AND THEN YOU HAVE A, UM, A LANDLORD ACCOUNT THAT'S JUST FOR THE HALLWAY.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE IT IN THERE.
WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO SLIM THEM DOWN.
UM, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WITH CONFIDENCE THAT WE'VE BILLED ALL THE ACCOUNTS THAT, UM, SHOULD BE.
AS FAR AS WE KNOW, ALL OF THEM ARE BILLED.
WE'VE BILLED MORE THAT SINCE WE ENACTED THIS ORDINANCE, BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY WE COULD ONLY BILL ACCOUNTS IF THEY HAD, UM, UH, WATER OR SEWER.
WE TESTED THE TOWN SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM.
UM, UH, THAT WAS UNDER THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE.
UNDER THE ORDINANCE THAT WE ADOPTED IN SEPTEMBER.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHARGE THE ELECTRICS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING.
UM, SO WE WE'RE BILLING MORE NOW THAN WHAT WE WERE, UM, MUCH MORE.
BUT THAT HAS AN OFFSET, THE SHORTAGE THAT WE'RE FACING.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU IMMEDIATELY SAY WE'RE COLLECTING MORE MM-HMM
BUT WE STILL, ACCORDING TO THE CONSULTANT, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A SHORTAGE, UM, FOR THE MAIN STREET AREA.
THE OTHER DISCUSSION WAS AMONG GIVING THE TWO BUSINESSES THE OPTION TO OPT OUT.
NOW, WHAT AMBER SAYING IS TRUE, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IT IS IF I'M A BUSINESS OWNER, AND OKAY, YOU CAN THROW YOUR GARBAGE IN THERE FOR FOUR $24 A MONTH, OR WE WILL GIVE YOU A PARKING SPACE FOR YOUR OWN DUMPSTER, AND YOU CONTROL WHAT GOES IN AND WHAT DOESN'T, AND YOU PAY FOR THAT.
THE QUESTION IS, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS WOULD, WOULD WE HAVE TO, I THOUGHT THEY TOLD US US BEFORE WE TAKE TWO.
HOW MANY WOULD TO GO UP RIGHT OFF THE BAT? I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT'S, AND WOULD THEY BE RESPONSIBLE IF WE DID THAT? WOULD THEY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, SECURING IT? YES.
SO THAT NOBODY ELSE COULD PUT ANYTHING IN THERE.
IT'S LIKE OLD GAS STATION HAS RIGHT.
YOU'S THE KEY WHEN YOU TAKE THE TRASH OUT.
SO THEY CONTROL IT, WHETHER PEOPLE CAN USE IT OR NOT, WHETHER PEOPLE SEND STUFF IN FRONT OF IT.
WELL, IF PEOPLE PUT STUFF IN FRONT OF IT AND IF THEIR PERSON DOESN'T PICK IT UP, THAT'S A BIT DIFFERENT.
BUT YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WELL, THEY'LL HAVE TO BECAUSE THEY'RE CONTRACT SOMEONE WHO'S NOT.
I THINK IN A PERFECT WORLD, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION.
I THINK IN A PERFECT WORLD, MY ONLY CONCERN IS FOR PARKING PLACES IN AN AREA THAT, I MEAN, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOWNTOWN WHEN, WHEN SOME OF THE NEW BUSINESSES CAME IN THAT, THAT ARE STAYING PRETTY BUSY, WERE UPSET BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE, THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO THEIR CHURCH OR THEIR ESTABLISHMENT ARE NO LONGER CAN, YOU KNOW, GET PARKING.
PARKING'S GONNA ALWAYS BE THAT, THAT ANIMAL THAT, THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO CONTROL.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE TO LOSE FOUR PARKING PLACES.
WELL, THEY'RE GONNA ALREADY BE LOSING SOMETHING, BUT IT WOULD BE BY THEIR BUSINESS.
SO IT WOULD BE THEIR BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE, AFFECTS THEM MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
BUT THEY'VE ALREADY GOT, I MEAN, IF THEY'RE ALREADY USING, THEY'RE ALREADY USING SOMETHING.
THEY'RE USING, THEY'RE USING OUR TOWN DUMPSTER, WHICH IS A, IF YOU LOOK AT BEHIND ON Q, THERE WAS A DUMPSTER THERE THAT ON Q USES, BUT SO DO ALL THE OH, YEAH, YEAH.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHO ALL USES IT, BUT I MEAN, THE LOCATION WOULD, AND THEN YOU SAW THE PICTURE I SENT YOU WHERE THE MATTRESS AND YEAH.
WHERE SOMEBODY DUMP, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA FIX STUPID.
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WHAT DO Y'ALL WANNA DO?IT SHOULD BE A PRETTY DECENT HANDOFF THERE.
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS GONNA BE THE ONLY ISSUE WOULD BE LOSING PARKING PLACES.
WELL, AND LIKE I SAID, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY AFFECT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWN THERE AND OPENING IT UP FOR OTHERS.
YOU KNOW, OTHERS MAY WANT TO DO IT AS WELL.
WELL, WE, WE WOULD LIMIT IT TO THE CLASS THREE.
WE CAN, WE CAN DO, YEAH, I WOULD SAY CLASS THREE ONLY BECAUSE WE CAN'T, I MEAN, IF WE ARE GONNA GET INTO THAT THEN, BECAUSE WHAT WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO BE AT ALL OR NOTHING? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, WE WON'T BE PICKING UP TRASH FROM MAIN STREET, AND WE CAN NEVER DO THAT.
I MEAN, WE JUST COULDN'T DO THAT.
UM, BUT WE MAINTAIN THE FACT WE WANT TOTAL CONTROL OF THE AREA FOR AESTHETICS AND EVERY OTHER REASON.
AND THIS IS WHAT IT'S, YEAH, I THINK IT'S A COMPROMISE, HONESTLY, BECAUSE WE'RE, IF WE GO THE ROUTE OF SAYING, UM, WE UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE PRICE, OUR COMPROMISE IS YOU CAN EITHER DO IT AT THE PRICE THAT WE HAVE FLOATED OR YOU CAN, YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF SEEKING YOUR OWN.
AND, UM, YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE THE PARKING SPACES FOR WHERE, BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO PUTTING CAMERAS UP.
WELL, WE HAVE CAMERAS UP NOW, SO I'M NOT SURE.
WE HAVE 'EM, BUT THEY, THEY'RE OPERATIONAL.
DO WE THINK I'VE SEEN THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
THAT'S THE ONES THAT DOCTORS, YOU MEAN? MM-HMM
BUT I MEAN, EVEN WITH THE CAMERAS, YOU'D STILL HAVE TO LIKE, HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT? WELL, YOU THINK IT WOULD DETER PEOPLE.
IT LOOK AT THE, IT HELPED WITH THE GAZEBO.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL REMEMBER EVERY 10 YEARS AGO WHEN THERE WAS SOME HOODLUMS THAT WERE CAUSING ALL KINDS OF ISSUES DOWN ON MAIN STREET.
BUT THEY, I DON'T EVEN THINK THE CAMERAS WERE ACTUALLY UP.
THEY SAID THEY WERE AND THE KIDS LIKE SCURRY,
I DON'T THINK SOME OF 'EM WERE KIDS ACTUALLY.
YOU KNOW, THEY SAY IF YOU JUST PUT A, IF YOU JUST MAKE YOUR OWN SECURITY SIGN, PUT IT IN YOUR MM-HMM
PUT IT IN YOUR FLOWER BED, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG DETERRENT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT.
SO WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? BJ'S WAITING PATIENTLY.
I DON'T THINK WE MAKE A MOTION.
WE HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
THAT WOULD BE FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
RIGHT? IT, IT IS A CONSENSUS TO DECIDE TO AMEND.
BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CRAFT THE LANGUAGE AND THEN A PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL JUST ADD, I'VE ALREADY ADDED MY PART, BUT AFTER SPEAKING TO THE AMOUNT OF OTHER RESTAURANT OWNERS THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO, I'M CONFIDENT THAT OUR PRICING IS UNDER MARKET AND FAIR AND FOR THE SERVICE PROVIDED, EVEN IF PEOPLE ARE THROWING TRASH IN THERE.
AND, UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S NEVER A TIME WE'RE PICKING UP ONCE MM-HMM
AND, UM, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT, LIKE I SAID, THE MEALS TAX IS VERY ON POINT, IF NOT DOUBLE.
SOME OF THE OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT I NAMED TONIGHT, WHICH ARE COMPARABLE IN THIS DISTRICT.
UM, SO I STAND BY THE, THE FIGURES THAT JOE AND STAFF HAVE PROVIDED US WITH HONOR.
JUST KEEP IT WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WHAT KEEP IT.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOARD WITH THE FOR.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING YOU ALL SAY KEEP IT, BECAUSE THEY GAVE US ALL YEAH.
THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS WE HAD WERE 46, 1 24, 25.
SO I'VE HEARD FROM TWO PEOPLE.
I'M KEEPING ON GOING AROUND THE ROOM.
WELL, THE, THE, I'VE BEEN HEARING A SOME DIFFERENT THINGS HERE AND I'M GOING LIKE, UH, I MEAN, DO WE JUST NOT WANT TO SERVICE CLASS THREE, UH, DOWN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S SO FEW BUILDINGS THERE THAT, WELL, THE FUTURE WE HAVE CAN BRING THAT CAN BRING THAT, UH, TO THE TABLE.
I MEAN, IT'S A SMALL, I MEAN, DO, DO, DO, DO WE EVEN WANT TO BE IN THE, IN THE LARGER EXPENSE BUSINESS? I DO NOT WANT TO BE, BUT I THINK WE WOULD'VE TO SET A DEADLINE ON WHEN THEY COULD PROVIDE, WHEN WE COULD PROVIDE THE PARKING SPACES AND THEY COULD GET THEIR OWN SERVICE IN THERE.
WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION NOW UNTIL THE, WE, UNTIL THREE DAY TRANSITION PERIOD.
AND, AND THEN WE LOSE PARKING.
WHO DETERMINES MY QUESTION IS WHO DETERMINES WHERE THE PARKING, WHICH PARKING SPACES? WELL, THAT'S IDEA, UH, UH, PROBLEMATIC AS WELL.
BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON THE VENDOR THEY GO WITH, WHAT TYPE OF TRUCK THEY HAVE FOR PICKUP.
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THE FRONT LOAD SIDE, REAR SIDE.UM, SO IT MAY NOT BE THE, THE PARKING PLACES THAT'S CLOSEST TO THEIR BUSINESS THAT'S BEST FOR THEM.
I THINK IF THEY DON'T WANT THE SERVICE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, THEN WE GIVE THEM NOTICE TO TELL US WITHIN WRITING AND GIVE US THE TYPE OF PARKING SPACES THEY WILL NEED WITHIN X, Y, Z DAYS TO SEE IF THE TOWN CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S VERY GENEROUS.
AS I, I I AGREE WITH WHAT BRUCE WAS SAYING TOO.
THEY SAID THEY HAD ALREADY SHOP CLOSE, BUT I THINK THAT'S, BUT I'M SAYING IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT A PARKING SPACE, IF WE COULD ACCOMMODATE RIGHT.
FOR COMMERCIAL, AND WHAT BJ'S SAYING, OR WE ARE SAYING, AND I'M SURE ROBBIE WOULD SAY IS, IS THAT THEY SAY, WELL, WE NEED THIS AMOUNT TO BE ABLE TO ENTER IT FROM THIS WAY AND TO BE ABLE TO GET THE TRUCK AROUND THIS WAY.
SO PRETEND THEY NEED TO SUBMIT TO US.
THEY NEED, WE WILL NEED THEM TO SUBMIT TO US WITH REQUESTING.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF WE SAY, YOU KNOW, IF IT ENDS UP BEING LIKE, WELL, WAIT A SECOND, YOU'RE GONNA NEED FOUR PARKING PLACES ON THE CORNER ON THE END, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
I MEAN, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS AFFECT OTHER BUSINESSES EITHER LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA TAKE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT WAS CLOSEST TO THEIR BUSINESS BECAUSE THAT, THAT WELL, AND IT IS AFFECTING OTHER BUSINESSES BY BEING SUBSIDIZED.
SO JUST, JUST TO ADD THAT, UH, I, I'VE HAD ONE BUSINESS OWNER TELL ME THAT, UH, UH, IN WINCHESTER, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO UNDERCUT IT TO LIKE $250 A MONTH FOR THREE PICKUPS A WEEK.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THREE PICKUPS.
I WAS GONNA SAY, BECAUSE I BET THE SCHOOL DOESN'T LIKE IT.
LIKE, LIKE A PIECE OF THAT ACTION BECAUSE SO, UH, I MEAN, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY NEGOTIATED, YOU KNOW, YOU THAT'S, YOU CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THESE, UH, WITH THESE PLACES AS WELL.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE TOO, THE COMPANY NEGOTIATION MIGHT BE WHERE IS THE DUMPSTER LOCATED? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE TRYING TO GET A BIG TRUCK IN THERE, IS IT AN ENCLOSURE? IS IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO.
SO COUNSEL'S, I, I DIDN'T EVEN END UP GOING AROUND THE TABLE.
I SHOULD, YOU ALL WERE COMFORTABLE WITH KEEPING THE 4 25.
YEAH, BUT I, I'M ALSO TOO, WITH THE OPTION OF, OF COME UP WITH SOMETHING, GIVING THEM A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD TO PRESENT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, IF I CONCUR.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY? SO THE IDEA IS THAT YOU EITHER KEEP THE 4 25 RATE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BUSINESS OR YOU PROVIDE TO THE TOWN YOUR PLAN OF HOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE PLAN WOULD AND HOW IT WOULD ABOUT PARKING SPACES.
AND IF THAT'S, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN, THEN WE WOULD YOU SO SAY 60 DAYS MAYBE? I WOULD THINK SO.
I WAS THINKING TIME TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
BECAUSE ESPECIALLY IF THEY WANNA GET IT GOING BEFORE APRIL, IF THAT'S WHEN THE BUSIER SEASON IS APRIL, I MEAN, THEY MAY NOT KNOW BY MARCH, BUT, BUT, BUT UNTIL THEN THEY'RE PAYING THE 4 25.
WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, SINCE THERE WERE ONLY TWO BUSINESSES INVOLVED.
THAT, THAT I PERSONALLY, I WOULD'VE BEEN WILLING TO ABSORB A LITTLE MORE SUB SUBSIDIZING.
UH, I, I WOULD GO, I WOULD BE WILLING TO GO DOWN AS FAR AS 300, BUT THAT'S AS FAR AS I WOULD GO.
BUT THAT'S UP TO THE REST OF COUNSEL.
UM, AND THEN ALSO GIVE THEM THE POTENTIAL FOR AN OPTION TO GET OUT $300 FOR THREE PICKUPS A WEEK THOUGH, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE SAYING.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST THREW ANOTHER NO, I, ANOTHER TWIST.
I WOULD NOT, I AM, I STAND BY THE TOWN STAFF FIGURES AFTER SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE I'VE SPOKEN TO.
SO FOR ME THAT WOULD BE A NO OPTION.
AND THEN IT'S PROBABLY FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, BUT, UM, THEY HAVE TO STICK WITH THEIR PLAN.
AND IF THEY CHANGE THEIR PLAN, YOU HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT A SITUATION WHERE THEY SAY, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GET REPUBLIC, AND THEN THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING.
WELL, I, I WAS GONNA THROW THAT ON THE TABLE, WHICH IS THERE'S, THERE PROBABLY HAS TO BE SOME REPORTING WHERE THEY DEMONSTRATE TO THE TOWN THEY'RE PAYING.
HAVE TO A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR TO, TO REMAIN EXEMPT.
WHO DONT THE OTHER BUSINESSES OR NO, NO OTHER BUSINESS OUTSIDE OF MAIN STREET.
THOSE BUSINESSES HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO, THEY GIVE US A PROOF THAT THEY HAVE PROPERTY USE THAT NO.
SO BACK TO WHAT I WAS JUST WANT CLARIFY FOR STAFF AND THAT, SO UNTIL THEY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE IN PLACE, THE FEE WILL REMAIN WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT WE PASSED MM-HMM
RIGHT? SO WE DON'T NEED TO TAKE ANYTHING BACK TO A PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT.
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RIGHT.WELL, WE'RE CURRENTLY BILLING, UH, BILLING THEM AT THE 120 OR THE CLASS TWO RATE TWO.
SO I WAS THINKING MAYBE WE WOULD GIVE THEM NOTIFICATION AND ALLOW THEM 60 DAYS UNDER THE CLASS TWO RATE TO RIGHT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THEIR CHOICES ARE HE 4 25 OR COME UP WITH THEIR OWN PLAN, BUT THE PLAN, YOU KNOW.
AND IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH SUBJECT, BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU, THIS CAN'T BE LIKE TWO MONTHS.
THREE MONTHS WE'RE GONNA DO THAT.
'CAUSE BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE CONFUSING FOR THE PARKING SPACES TOO, SO YEAH.
SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE CON OKAY, GO ASK THAT.
UM, YES, GEORGE? UH, I'M UNABLE TO DRIVE.
UM, AM I ALLOWED TO CALL THEM TO CLOSE? UM, NO, I DIDN'T.
IF SHE WAS HERE, IT SHOULD BEEN DONE AT THE BEGINNING.
YEAH, I DIDN'T, I WASN'T SURE WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I WILL, I WILL, UM, UPDATE YOU.
UM, SO WE NEED TO, AT THIS POINT, YOU GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED FOR THAT, RIGHT? YES.
ME AND GEORGE WILL, UH, REVIEW THE ORDINANCE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE PRIVATE OPTING OUT.
OPTING OUT MAIN STREET MIGHT REQUIRE A TWEAK TO, YEAH, WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE A, AN AMENDMENT, UH, BUT IF WE'RE ALLOWING 60 DAYS, WE CAN GET THAT DONE.
WELL, AND THE OTHER THING IS, BEFORE WE DO AN OR CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, WHY, WHAT? LET'S TOUCH BASE WITH THE BUSINESSES.
FIND OUT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
BECAUSE THEY MAY CALL AROUND AND FIND OUT THAT IT'S NOT A BETTER DEAL AND THEY, AND THERE'S NO POINT IN US CHANGING AN ORDINANCE IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
WELL, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, THERE'LL BE OTHERS COME.
THERE'LL BE OTHERS IN THE FUTURE.
I THOUGHT WE SAID JUST CLASS THREE, RIGHT? CLASS THREE, BUT THERE MAY BE MORE CLASS THREE.
WE WE'RE NOT DOING ANY NEW COMMERCIAL STUFF.
I MEAN, WE, WE STOPPED DOING, WE, WE STOPPED.
AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL GOES, YES.
I MEAN, ASIDE FROM MAIN STREET OH YEAH.
WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL.
JUST TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS, IF WE EVER GET THE NEW RESTAURANT, THEY OVER WORN PAINT SUPPLY THAT'S OUTSIDE MAIN.
'CAUSE IT'S ACROSS FROM MAIN STREET MILL.
SO IT WOULD ONLY BE THOSE, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT, YOU GET THEIR OWN TRASH, CORRECT? YEP.
WITH THEIR IN PARKING PLACE OUT BATH.
SO, AND THEY SHOULD HAVE THE SPACE, RIGHT? OH YEAH.
JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND GOING, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT IS WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT CLASS THREE IN THAT AREA, RIGHT? YES.
WE'RE, I THINK WE HAVE WHAT I NEED.
YEAH, WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED.
UM, PLEASE, PLEASE, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE, PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ONE INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT ASSIGNMENT APPOINTMENT MOTION PERFORMANCE TO MOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINARY RESIGNATION, SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, A TOWN MANAGER POSITION RECORD.
UH, MR. PRE ROLL CALL MS. WOOD.