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I AM GONNA CALL THE, UH, FRONT ROW TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR[Town Council Work Session on December 2, 2024.]
WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, DECEMBER 2ND.TO ORDER MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKRELL HERE.
I'M GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING USED TO THAT ONE, ISN'T IT? RIGHT.
SO BEFORE WE GET STARTED TONIGHT, UM, OUR, UM, WARREN COUNTY REGISTRAR, UH, MATTHEW REISINGER, UM, HAS, UH, A PRESENTATION.
SO YOU WANNA COME FORWARD? SURE.
SO I HAVE, UM, THE ELECTORAL BOARD SIGN THE ELECTION CERTIFICATES, UM, JUST WITHIN THE LAST WEEK, AND THEY WANTED ME TO PRESENT THE, UH, CERTIFICATES.
YOU'RE WELCOME, MS. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. WOOD.
APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK THAT YOU DO.
I KNOW ELECTION SEASON'S A BUSY, CRAZY TIME FOR YOU.
I WAS GONNA SAY, WAYNE, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU DONE YOUR OATH YET? NO.
I WAS GOING THERE, BUT I COULDN'T GO THERE.
I THINK THE REST OF US ARE DONE.
YOU READY TO START? SO THE NEXT, UM, ITEM BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, SOMEBODY HAS A MOTION TO, UM, ADD AN ITEM TO OUR AGENDA.
MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD AN AGENDA ITEM.
UM, UNDER THERE IS, YEAH, I GONNA, THAT COUNSEL ADD AN ITEM TO THE AGENDA AS ITEM NUMBER 3D THE PURCHASE OF WOOD MEDIA FOR WASTEWATER TREATMENT.
UM, AND IT, UH, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ADD THIS TO BE UNANIMOUS VOTE MS. PRESS, CAN YOU ROLL CALL? SHEILA? YES.
COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES.
I ALMOST DIDN'T RESPOND TO YOU,
I WAS THINKING THAT WE'RE GONNA, I'M HAVE TO KICK YOU UNDER YOU NEW NAME.
UM, SO WE WILL BE ADDING THAT UNDER NEW BUSINESS 3D.
SO OUR FIRST ITEM TONIGHT, UM, IS THE MAIN STREET SOLID WASTE SERVICE AREA DISCUSSION.
AND IT'S, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A VIRTUAL PRESENTATION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND SO, UM, SO, AND I FEEL LIKE I DID THIS RECENTLY IN A JOINT MEETING WITH OUR, UM, SCHOOL BOARD, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, PARTICIPANTS AT OUR, UH, TRANSPORTATION OR JOINT MEETING.
WHEN THERE IS A VIRTUAL PRESENTATION, IT IS JUST REALLY HARD IF THERE ARE SIDE CONVERSATIONS.
SO WE WANNA LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION, I JUST ASK YOU TO, UH, JUST LIKE WE WOULD DO IN A MEETING, UH, ASK, UH, DIRECT, UH, YOUR REQUEST TO ME AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, MAKE ANY COMMENTS SO WE CAN HAVE GOOD THOROUGH CONVERSATION.
WHICH ONE OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO START, JOHN? OKAY.
I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT WITH THE MIC ON THIS TIME.
SO HOW WAS THE SOUND? I, I WE CAN HEAR IT? YEP.
UH, WE ACTUALLY CAN'T SEE YOU AND YOU CAN SEE US.
UM, UH, NICE TO BE BEFORE YOU AGAIN.
UM, I'M A PRINCIPAL OF MSW CONSULTANTS AND WE HAVE, UM, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWN FOR A LITTLE WHILE, UH, ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES, WHICH I'LL GO OVER.
AND, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A, JUST A NEED AT THIS TIME TO REVISIT SOME OF THE, THE BACKGROUND AND DETAILS AND JUST KIND OF KEEP A DIALOGUE GOING ABOUT, UH, PROVIDING SERVICES AND RECOVERING THE FULL COST OF PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES ON YOUR MAIN STREET AREA.
SO, UH, I'VE GOT A, UH, SOME SLIDES TO SHARE WITH YOU.
UM, I WOULD MENTION MY COLLEAGUE, CYNTHIA
UM, AND, UH, I MISSPEAK, UH, OR IF I'M REMEMBERING SOMETHING, UH, TO PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
AND, AND ACTUALLY, UH, CYNTHIA HAS BEEN, UH, OUR LEAD PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS.
AND SO SHE SHOULD INTRODUCE HERSELF AS THE REALLY, THE PERSON WHO'S DONE ALL THE HARD WORK.
I JUST GET TO STAND UP AND, AND, UH, AND PRESENT.
SO IT'S, IT WORKS WELL FOR ME.
WE TEAM, TEAM APPROACH AND, UH, ENJOY ALL THE HELP AND EVERYTHING.
WE'VE HAD INTERACTION WITH THE, WITH TOWN STAFF THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS.
SO I, I'VE GOT, UM, A COPY OF THE POWERPOINT,
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SO I'M GOING TO, UM, LET'S SEE HERE.THERE'S A BIT OF A SEQUENCE FOR ME TO GET THAT STARTED.
SO I THINK I'VE GOT TO FIRST SHARE AND THEN CUT OVER.
THINK IF I SHARE MY SCREEN AND THEN MINIMIZE THE LITTLE WINDOW.
THEN SOMEHOW I, OF COURSE I HAVE MY COMPUTER, UH, LOGGED IN.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THIS AIRED FULL SCREEN.
UH, IS EVERYBODY SEEING A FULL PAGE SLIDE? YES.
SO, UM, I AM HOPEFUL THAT, UH, QUITE A BIT OF, OF THIS, UH, THIS PRESENTATION WILL, UM, WILL, IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER IT SPECIFICALLY, HOPEFULLY WILL TRIGGER THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THIS BEFORE.
I DO THINK, UH, WE HAVE REALLY COLLABORATED EXTENSIVELY WITH TOWN STAFF AND DIGGING INTO SOME DETAILS.
SO I I, I THINK OUR HOPE, UH, IN MAKING THIS PRESENTATION IS TO, UH, GIVE A FULL REVIEW AND HOPEFULLY MAYBE UNCOVER, UH, SOME OF THE BACKGROUND AND SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT, UH, MAYBE GETS LOST IN THE SHUFFLE.
I'M PRETTY SURE YOU FOLKS HAVE A LOT OF OTHER PRIORITIES THAN JUST, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOUR SOLID WASTE SERVICES.
SO A LOT LESS TO KEEPING, KEEPING TRACK.
SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT SOME THINGS.
BUT, UM, I'LL JUST DO A QUICK BACKGROUND.
UM, THE TOWN RETAINED MSW CONSULTANTS INITIALLY, UH, TO DO A, UM, UH, ESSENTIALLY A SOLID WASTE UTILITY RATE STUDY, COST OF SERVICE AND RATE STUDY.
UM, THAT'S A FAIRLY COMMON, UM, SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, UH, CITIES, TOWNS, COUNTIES, UH, THAT ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF SERVING THEIR RESIDENTIAL AND OR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER BASES.
UM, WE'VE GOT, I THINK, SOME PRETTY SOLID, UH, TIME TESTED METHODOLOGIES, UH, TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE TOWN'S FINANCIAL INFORMATION ASSOCIATED WITH SANITATION SERVICES, YOUR CUSTOMER LISTS, THE TONNAGES OF MATERIAL THAT YOU'RE COLLECTING, AND WE ESSENTIALLY BUILD THE FINANCIAL MODEL.
AND OUR, OUR PHILOSOPHY IN DOING THIS WORK, UH, IS THAT WE TRY TO GIVE OUR CLIENTS GOOD INFORMATION SO THAT THEY CAN FINE TUNE THEIR RATES.
UH, AND I THINK PHILOSOPHICALLY WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, MINIMIZE SUBSIDIZATION BETWEEN CUSTOMER CLASSES AND WE'RE TRYING TO GUIDE OUR CLIENTS TOWARDS HAVING RATES THAT ARE GOING TO COVER FULL COST, BOTH DIRECT OPERATING EXPENSE AS WELL AS THE ABILITY TO REPLACE COLLECTION VEHICLES.
THERE ARE SOME CAPITAL INVESTMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED, THAT BEING THE MAIN ONE.
UH, AND SO REALLY THESE STUDIES ARE KIND OF A TUNEUP FOR YOUR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT OF YOUR SANITATION SERVICES TO ALL YOUR CUSTOMERS.
UH, AND SO I, YOU'VE HEARD ME MENTION CUSTOMERS, I ACTUALLY WANT TO GO OVER THE THREE TYPES OF CUSTOMERS, UH, THAT THE TOWN IS SERVING BECAUSE TWO OF THEM ARE SIMILAR AND ONE OF THEM IS VERY DIFFERENT.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO JUST JUMP THROUGH REAL QUICKLY WHAT DIFFERENT THE THREE MAIN CUSTOMER CLASSES LOOK LIKE IN FRONT ROYAL.
AND SO THE FIRST CUSTOMER CLASS IS PROBABLY WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS ABOUT WHEN COMES TO WASTE COLLECTION, RECYCLING COLLECTION, SO ON SO FORTH.
SO YOU'RE SERVING RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSEHOLDS, MAYBE SOME DUPLEXES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE UP TO SOME QUADS, BUT ESSENTIALLY RESIDENTIAL SERVICE.
WHILE SOME HOUSEHOLDS MAY ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON, SOME HOUSEHOLDS MAY BE A BIG FAMILY, YOU MIGHT HAVE FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN PEOPLE.
UM, THE AMOUNT OF WASTE GENERATED IN A RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLD, IT'S VERY RANGE BOUND AND THE LEVEL OF EFFORT REQUIRED BY THE TOWN TO COLLECT WASTE AND OTHER MATERIALS FROM RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLDS IS VERY UNIFORM.
UH, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, IN OUR BUSINESS, IT'S VERY COMMON TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER CLASS AS THE TOWN DOES.
AND THIS, THESE ARE JUST PICTURES THAT SHOW, UM, PRETTY, PRETTY SIMILAR IN DELIVERING THE SAME OR SIMILAR SERVICE AT THE SAME COST TO YOUR RESIDENTIAL SECTOR.
SO WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT WE DO THESE STUDIES.
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO SERVICE AND CHARGE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS? SIMILARLY, ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, UH, WHILE THE TOWN DOESN'T SERVICE A, A LARGE NUMBER OF NON-RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, UH, IT DOES PROVIDE SERVICE TO A NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE STANDALONE BUSINESSES, UH, AND ARE SERVED THESE LARGER CONTAINERS.
YOU CAN SEE THIS PICTURE OF A DUMPSTER.
AND, UM, THE, THE THING ABOUT COMMERCIAL SERVICE, IT ACTUALLY IS VERY SIMILAR TO RESIDENTIAL SERVICE BECAUSE THE SIZE OF THE DUMPSTER AND THE FREQUENCY OF COLLECTION ARE VERY STANDARDIZED.
SO IF YOU TOOK FIVE DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS AND THEY ALL HAD THE SAME SIZE DUMPSTER AND, AND IT WAS COLLECTED THE SAME NUMBER OF TIMES A WEEK, IT'S REASONABLE TO CHARGE ALL THOSE CUSTOMERS THE SAME AMOUNT FOR THEIR SERVICE BECAUSE IT, IT COSTS THE SAME TO COLLECT THE SAME DUMPSTER, THE SAME FREQUENCY.
SO AGAIN, UM, THERE'S A GOOD ABILITY IN SO WASTE SERVICES TO CHARGE CUSTOMERS IN THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR TO HAVE STANDALONE COLLECTION, UH, KIND OF A FAIR RATE ACROSS CLASSES.
AND THAT BRINGS ME TO YOUR MAIN STREET AREA, WHICH IS THE THIRD CUSTOMER CLASS AND SUGGESTED IN THESE PICTURES, AND I,
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I THINK PROBABLY ALL FOLKS HAVE A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING AND AWARENESS OF, OF THE VARIOUS MIXED USES THAT GO ON IN MAIN STREET AND THE HIGHER, UH, DENSITY OF BUILDINGS AND THE MORE LIMITED SPACE, EVEN PARKING.UH, AND SO IN INDOOR MAIN STREET AREA, UH, WE REALLY START TO LOSE THIS NOTION OF PROVIDING A WELL-DEFINED SERVICE TO EACH INDIVIDUAL WASTE GENERATOR.
AND WE GET MUCH MORE INTO A SITUATION OF SHARED SERVICES, UH, WHERE, UH, COLLECTING MATERIAL FROM A CONSOLIDATED SET OF SHARED CONTAINERS OPERATIONALLY IS THE, IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
UH, BUT THAT COMPLICATES HAVING A VERY SIMPLE, UH, KIND OF BILLING AND, AND REVENUE RECOVERY, UH, SITUATION.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT BRINGS US BACK HERE TODAY PRIMARILY.
UH, JUST REAL QUICK, UH, I WANTED TO, UH, JUST RECAP WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY CONSIDERING TO BE THE MAIN STREET AREA.
UM, I THINK THIS MAY HAVE CHANGED EVER SO SLIGHTLY OVER TIME, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS OUR LATEST GREATEST, BUT THIS IS THE PART OF THE TOWN, UH, WHERE, UH, IT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO PUT ONE CONTAINER FOR REFUSE FOR EACH OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND RESTAURANT AND ENTERTAINMENT AND RETAIL CUSTOMERS, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT A WHOLE BIG MIX OF CUSTOMERS.
SO, UM, MY NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES JUST, UH, SUMMARIZE WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE UNDERLYING COST OF SERVICES.
UM, AND I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL WHEN WE FIRST DID THIS THAT WE IDENTIFIED THAT THAT RATES ACROSS THE BOARD WERE A LITTLE BIT LOW.
THE TOWN WAS NOT ABLE RATES TO RECOVER FULL REVENUE.
AND SO YOU, FOR THOSE OF YOUR VISUAL, MS. BARNHART, UH, SHOWS THE THREE CUSTOMER CLASSES, RESIDENTIAL, UH, MAIN STREET AND COMMERCIAL.
AND IT SHOWS THAT THE, THE BLUE BAR IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE GREEN BAR.
UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, AB IN ABSOLUTE TERMS, THE RESIDENTIAL SERVICE RATES WERE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE LOWEST IN ABSOLUTE TERMS, BUT IN PERCENTAGE TERMS, I'M NOW GONNA JUMP OVER TO THAT SAME DATA, BUT IN
AND, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, KIND OF THE PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE RECOVERY, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL DUMPSTER RATES KIND OF UNIFORMLY A LITTLE BIT ON THE LOW SIDE, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTED A PATH FORWARD TO BUILD IN HIGHER RATES TO CLOSE THAT REVENUE GAP, BUT HIGHLIGHTED IN THE BLUE COLUMN YOU CAN SEE IN MAIN STREET.
SO NOT ONLY IS IT JUST NOT A UNIFORM CUSTOMER TYPE, LIKE YOU SEE IN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UM, WE HAVE A WHOLE MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PERCENTAGE SHORTFALL IS QUITE SIGNIFICANT IN THE MAIN STREET AREA.
AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS MEANS IS, UM, IN THE ABSENCE OF KIND OF TAKING SPECIFIC ACTION IN THE MAIN STREET AREA, UM, THERE'S A RISK THAT, UH, THE MAIN STREET, UM, UM, CUSTOMERS ESSENTIALLY HAVE THEIR SERVICE SUBSIDIZED BY OTHER RATE PAYERS, OTHER RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DUMPSTER, UH, RATE PAYERS.
SO IF WE, IF WE RIGHT SIZE AND GET THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DUMPSTER SERVICES ON A PATH TO BEING FULLY, UH, FULLY REVENUE SUFFICIENT AND WE DON'T DO THE SAME FOR MAIN STREET, THEN THAT SORT OF VIOLATES OUR NOTION OF TRYING TO MINIMIZE SUBSIDIZATION ACROSS DIFFERENT SERVICES IN DIFFERENT CUSTOMER CLASSES.
UM, BY THE WAY, I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY, SO I'LL TRY TO PAUSE, UH, AS I'M GOING THROUGH.
UH, AND IF ANYBODY DOES HAVE A QUESTION, UM, UH, THERE'S SOME WAY TO GET MY ATTENTION, I'LL TRY TO PAUSE ENOUGH TO, UH, TO LET THAT HAPPEN.
UH, IT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THESE VIRTUAL SETTINGS.
IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION, THEY'RE GONNA, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO GET MY ATTENTION TO, SO I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, SO ANYWAY, HAVING ESSENTIALLY COMPLETED THE PRIMARY EFFORT OF A SYSTEM COST OF SERVICE RATE STUDY, UM, I THINK WE COLLECTIVELY REALIZED IN COLLABORATION WITH TOWN STAFF, UH, THAT MAIN STREET, UH, BILLING AND REVENUE RECOVERY WAS NOT AS SIMPLE.
UH, AND SO, UH, WE DID SOME DEEPER DIVING.
UH, WE LOOKED AT AVAILABLE DATA SOURCES TO IDENTIFY THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE GENERATING WASTE.
UM, AND THEN WE LOOKED AT, UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO CHARGE THOSE CUSTOMERS, AND WE'RE GONNA GO TO THAT IN A MINUTE.
UH, AND FURTHERMORE, THERE'S A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, SMALL BUSINESSES, MEDIUM SIZED BUSINESSES, LARGER BUSINESSES, FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS, RESTAURANTS, THERE'S A WHOLE MIX OF WASTE GENERATORS.
AND SO, UH, SO JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE WERE ABLE TO TALK THROUGH THE, UH, THIS WITH THE TOWN.
UH, WE ACTUALLY HELD TWO STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS TARGETING, UH, MAIN STREET, UH, BUSINESSES AND RESIDENCE.
UH, AND BASED ON WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS ACTUALLY REALLY INFORMATIVE INPUT, UH, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T HUGELY ATTENDED, BUT THE ATTENDEES WERE VERY THOUGHTFUL IN THE FEEDBACK THEY PROVIDED.
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AND I THOUGHT WE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSIONS.UH, BOTH CYNTHIA AND I WERE PART OF THAT ALONG WITH TOWN STAFF, UH, AND IT RESULTED IN, UH, IN A RECOMMENDED CODE.
AND, AND I DO HAVE SOME SLIDES TO KIND OF REFRESH EVERYBODY.
AND I, I WILL SAY, UM, I DON'T RECALL IF EVERY ONE OF THESE SLIDES GOT, UH, PRESENTED IN, UM, THIS COUNCIL SETTING OR NOT.
SO, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THIS, BUT IT, SOME OF IT IS NEW.
HOPEFULLY IT ADDS TO SOME OF THE BACKGROUND THAT YOU MIGHT BE AWARE OF.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO CHARGING RESIDENTS ON MAIN STREET, UM, IT, IT'S NOT AS CLEAR 'CAUSE IT MIGHT SOUND.
AND SO, UH, IN DOING OUR RESEARCH AND DUE DILIGENCE, WE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED THREE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS TO RECOVER REVENUE, UM, FROM, UH, GOING TOP TO BOTTOM, SOLID WASTE TAX, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SOUNDS.
I WANNA GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE IN GENERAL.
SO YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M RATHER THAN, THAN TALK ABOUT ON THIS SLIDE, LET ME GO.
I'VE GOT THREE SUBSEQUENT SLIDES THAT DRILL DOWN INTO THESE DIFFERENT, UH, REQUEST RECOVERY OR REVENUE MECHANISM OPTIONS.
AND, AND THEY ALL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE KIND OF PROS AND CONS OF EACH.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, TAXES ARE, UH, UH, BASED ON A MILLAGE RATE THAT APPLIES TO THE VALUE OF THE UNDERLYING PARCEL.
UM, AND A SOLID WASTE TAX IS NO DIFFERENT.
UH, WE DO HAVE CLIENTS, UM, PRIMARILY ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST THAT HAVE RESORTED TO A, A TRUE SOLID WASTE TAX.
SO IT SHOWS UP AS A MILLAGE RATE AND ALL OF THE TAX REVENUE GOES SPECIFICALLY FOR SOLID WASTE SERVICES.
UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT RECOVERING MAIN STREET SOLID WASTE COSTS THROUGH A TAX, UH, THAT MIDDLE BULLET IS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT MEANT WE WOULD CHARGE, UH, THE DIFFERENT, UM, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UH, PARCEL OWNERS BETWEEN $10 TO $7,500 A YEAR.
SO THAT'S A HUGE RANGE AND IT IS BASED ON, ON PROPERTY VALUE.
AND I THINK ONE THING YOU MAY SORT OF INTUITIVELY FEEL THAT WE THINK IS TRUE IS THAT THE VALUE OF A PARCEL DOES NOT NECESSARILY CORRELATE DIRECTLY TO THE AMOUNT OF WASTE AND THE AMOUNT OF SERVICE THAT'S NEEDED.
UH, AND I THINK COMBINED WITH SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE, THE GAPS ON THE CUSTOMER TAX ROLL, UM, WE FOUND, UH, THAT NUMBER ONE, IF YOU WENT THIS ROUTE, YOU WOULD LITERALLY BE IMPLEMENTING A NEW TAX.
AND I THINK OUR PERSPECTIVE IS NOT TOO MANY, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS LIKE TO BE, UH, ANNOUNCING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT A NEW TAX.
IN THEORY, IF YOU DID THAT, YOU WOULD ALSO REDUCE YOUR VILLAGE POTENTIALLY BECAUSE YOU'D BE REDUCING SOME EXISTING SUBSIDY.
BUT ESSENTIALLY WE FOUND, AND WE THOUGHT, THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD WAS THAT THIS OPTION WAS NOT PURPOSE, JOHN.
SO ON THAT, ON THAT UM, SLIDE, IT SAID $10 AND 15 CENTS.
THE QUESTION WAS, UM, YOU SAID PER YEAR, RIGHT? SO YEAH, AND I'M GOING TO INVITE MY COLLEAGUE, CYNTHIA TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UH, THE FIRST ROW OR IS THE ANNUAL, THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE AN ANNUAL TAX THAT WOULD BE PAID AT THE PARCEL LEVEL.
SO WHOEVER IS THE PARCEL OWNER WOULD PAY THAT TAX.
AND THEN IN PARENTHESES, UNDERNEATH, UH, WE'VE CONVERTED THAT TO A MONTHLY RATE JUST BECAUSE SO MANY OF THE SERVICES IN OUR INDUSTRY, UH, TYPICALLY ARE, ARE QUOTED ON A PER MONTH BASIS.
I ONLY ASKED BECAUSE I THOUGHT $10 AND 15 CENTS FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR FOR, UH, THE REMOVAL OF THEIR SOLID WASTE DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS MAKING SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY.
YEAH, IT'S ALL BASED ON THE PARCEL VALUE THAT'S ON THE TAX ROLL.
SO LIKE, SO IF IT WOULD BE, CAN YOU GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING, BE LIKE AN APARTMENT? IT COULDN'T BE, UM, AND I DON'T THINK VERY MANY APARTMENTS WOULD'VE HAD THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL PARCEL OKAY.
SO A LITTLE PIECE OF LAND BASED.
WELL, CYNTHIA, DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF SPECIFIC PARCELS THAT WOULD'VE COME AT $10 A YEAR? I CAN'T THINK OF ANY SMALL STRIPS OF LAND.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL LOOK IT UP ON THE FILE WHILE, WHILE JOHN'S TALKING HERE.
I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE, OH YEAH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THAT'S LIKE, I THINK THEY USE IT FOR AN ATM OR SOMETHING AT ONE POINT.
THAT WOULD ME, I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT, OKAY.
IT'S OKAY THAT SOMEBODY SAID AT M BECAUSE I WAS THINKING LIKE, LIKE A SHED OR AN OUTBUILDING OR SOMETHING.
IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE A DIFFERENT PARCEL, BUT, UH, GOTCHA.
BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT IS EXCEEDINGLY LOW.
YEAH, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT'S NOT EVEN HALF OF WHAT A RESIDENTIAL, OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR, AGAIN, PLEASE INTERJECT IF, IF I'M GOING TOO FAST OR YOU KNOW, THAT CYNTHIA, IF I MISSED FEED.
ALRIGHT, SO HAVING LOOKED AT A TAX, AND, AND AGAIN, WE'VE DONE ENOUGH STUDIED AT OTHER COMMUNITIES TO FIND THAT THE TAX, UNLESS IT'S
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BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, UM, IT'S NOT TYPICALLY A DIRECTION WE WOULD ADVISE OUR, OUR CLIENTS TO GO.UM, ANOTHER, UH, SORT OF FLAVOR THAT IS NOT A TAX, BUT IT IS BILLED ON THE PROPERTY TAX ROLLS AND IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A LINE ITEM CHARGE ON A PROPERTY TAX BILL, BUT IT'S NOT A MILLAGE BASED CHARGE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT IS REALLY, UM, THAT'S A FANCY WAY OF SAYING WE'RE GOING TO USE THE PROPERTY TAX BILLS AS A MEANS TO ISSUE ESSENTIALLY A, A USER FEE TO CHARGE OUR FEES THROUGH A A, A PROPERTY TAX BILL.
AND IN THAT CASE, UH, A NON-AD WARM ASSESSMENT, UH, IS EQUIVALENT TO A USER FEE.
IT'S SET THROUGH THE, LIKE, THE TYPE OF FINANCIAL MODELING THAT WE DID.
UM, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME OPTIONS IN HOW TO CONSTRUCT THAT ASSESSMENT.
UH, YOU COULD HAVE EVERY PARCEL PAY THE SAME AMOUNT.
UH, YOU COULD, UH, START TO THEN SUBDIVIDE YOUR, YOUR PARCELS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL, OR YOU COULD ACTUALLY EVEN, UM, KIND OF DIVIDE YOUR PARCELS FURTHER.
UM, BUT THE MORE YOU DIVIDE YOUR PARCELS ON AN ASSESSMENT, A, IT'S HARDER AND HARDER TO KIND OF MANAGE THAT.
UH, AND I THINK AS WE DUG DEEPER, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH A NON OR ASSESSMENT IS THAT, UH, JUST INCOMPLETE DATA ON THE, ON THE CUSTOMERS, UH, ON THE TAX ROLLS AND ALSO THE RELIANCE ON A THIRD PARTY THROUGH THE TAX ASSESSOR TO ACTUALLY DO THAT.
UM, REVENUE COLLECTION, PROBABLY YOU'RE GONNA BE ASSESSED SOME SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE FEE TO DO THAT.
THERE'S PROBABLY SOME KIND OF CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP.
UH, AND I THINK FINALLY, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE WIDE VARIETY OF BUSINESSES IN THE MAIN STREET AREA, UM, WE DON'T FEEL THE ASSESSMENTS ARE, UM, THEY'RE PRETTY CLUNKY WHEN TRYING TO COME UP WITH, UM, MULTIPLE RATES TO SERVE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES WITH DIFFERENT WASTE GENERATION PROFILES.
AND SO THIS BRINGS ME TO OUR FINAL OPTION, UM, WHICH AS YOU KNOW, COUNTERPART OIL DOES PROVIDE UTILITY SERVICES AND ALREADY IS PROVIDING, UM, UTILITY BILLS THROUGH, UH, THROUGH ITS WATER AND ELECTRIC METERING SYSTEMS. AND SO, UM, THAT IS A GOOD CANDIDATE.
IN FACT, IT'S QUITE COMMON IN OUR INDUSTRY FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO ADD A SOLID WASTE USER FEE, UH, AS ANOTHER LINE ITEM ON AN EXISTING UTILITY BILL, WHETHER IT'S WATER, WASTEWATER, ELECTRIC, SOMETIMES ALL THREE OR FOUR.
UM, AGAIN, IN CRAFTING USER FEES TO GO ON A UTILITY BILL, UH, WE, THERE ARE SOME DECISIONS TO MAKE, UM, AND AGAIN, YOU COULD HAVE JUST A VERY BLUNT, UH, SAME FEE, SAME RATE FOR EVERYBODY.
AGAIN, YOU COULD JUST START SPLITTING RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS AND CHARGE THEM ONE FEE AND THEN MAYBE A, A SEPARATE FEE FOR COMMERCIAL.
BUT, UH, AS YOU'LL SEE, AS WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER, UH, AGAIN, THE WIDE VARIETY OF BUSINESSES IN THE MAIN STREET AREA, UM, WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, UH, TO GO INTO THAT TIERED STRUCTURE.
AND I SO ESSENTIALLY ON THE STRENGTH OF THE FACT THAT THE TOWN IS ALREADY IN THE UTILITY BILLING BUSINESS, UH, AND 'CAUSE OF THE VARIETY OF WASTE GENERATING BUSINESSES, AND ALSO BECAUSE IF YOU BILL SOLID WASTE SERVICE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON A WATER BILL AND A CUSTOMER DOESN'T PAY A WATER BILL HAS SOME ABILITY TO THREATEN TO TURN OFF THE WATER.
AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT IF STRUCTURED CORRECTLY, UH, JOINT SOLID WASTE AND WATER BILLING CAN REALLY REDUCE THE BAD DEBT JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A, YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A STAY, UM, UH, FOR FOLKS THAT DON'T PAY THEIR BILL AND IT'S ON A WATER BILL.
SO FOR THAT REASON, WE WENT WITH UTILITY BILL, AND THIS IS THE PART OF THE PRESENTATION WHERE I, UM, I, I FORESHADOW THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT I DON'T ACTUALLY SAY ANY DETAILS ABOUT IT.
I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS, MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND KIND OF, UM, REVISIT SOME OF THESE ISSUES, UH, WAS JUST TO, I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT THE SENSE ALREADY THAT THESE ARE NOT SUPER SIMPLE CONCEPTS, THESE DO TAKE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME PRETTY DEEP, UH, BACKGROUND WORK.
THIS HAS TAKEN A LOT OF COLLABORATION AND CONVERSATION BETWEEN US AS, AS YOUR ADVISOR AND WITH, UH, YOUR FINANCIAL AND YOUR OPERATION STAFF.
SO IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN QUITE A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT.
UM, BUT WE TOTALLY BELIEVE IN, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF OUTREACH AND SPREADING THE WORK.
AND SO, UH, WE SAT DOWN AND WE'RE TRYING TO THINK HOW, HOW COULD WE, UM, SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE BACKGROUND.
AND, UH, AS I SAID, I'M, I'M NOT INTENDING TO READ THIS, BUT, UM, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THE TOWN FROM, UH, EARLY ON, AT LEAST FROM OUR STANDPOINT, UH, WORKING WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, UH, REALLY MADE IT A POINT TO BOTH KEEP, UH, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL BRIEF, BUT ALSO EVEN TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC HERE WITH SOME OF THESE, UH, MAIN STREET ISSUES.
AND SO, UH, THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY.
UM, I'LL TAKE A QUICK PAUSE, UH, IN CASE ANYBODY, UM, YOU KNOW, WANTS TO QUESTION ANYTHING OR DIDN'T REMEMBER SOMETHING, BUT, UH, WE, WE DID WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO, UH, JUST TO KIND OF CHECK HOW WELL
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OR NOT WELL, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET OUT BEFORE THE FOLKS THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTED BY SOME OF THESE DECISIONS.JOHN COUNCILWOMAN DE DOMENICO PAY HAS A QUESTION.
UH, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF, IF ANY OF THE MODELS THAT YOU'VE EVER SEEN, UM, EVER BASE THE FEES ON REVENUE OF THE BUSINESS? SO, UM, THE, THE QUESTION IS INTERESTING AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT, UM, WE HAVE NOT, UM, IN THE SOLID WASTE INDUSTRY, UM, THE, SO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY MUCH A TONNAGE BASED INDUSTRY.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT WHETHER YOU'RE GENERATING AND, AND COLLECTING AND, AND REMOVING RECYCLABLES OR SOLID WASTE OR YARD WASTE, ALL OF THE EVENTUAL DISPOSAL FEES ARE ON A PER TON BASIS.
AND, UM, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY STUDIES THAT NECESSARILY CORRELATE REVENUE TO WASTE GENERATION.
UH, AND SO THE, THE KIND OF THE RATIONAL NEXUS, THAT'S A FANCY WORD THAT I'VE LEARNED IN MY YEARS OF, UH, OF DOING FINANCIAL AND RATE WORK.
BUT THE RATIONAL NEXUS TO SET RATES IN A SOLID WASTE UTILITY IS BASED ON, UM, THE, THE, UH, HOW COLLECTION IS DELIVERED, UH, WHAT KIND OF TRUCK AND HOW BIG IS THE CONTAINER, AND THEN HOW FREQUENTLY IS THAT COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL PROVIDED.
SO, UH, KIND OF A, A CONTAINER, YOU KNOW, A VOLUME AND A COLLECTION FREQUENCY ARE THE UNDERLYING BASIS, BUT NOT THE REVENUE.
WELL, I, AND I, AND I JUST ASKED BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE, YOU RULED IT OUT, BUT YOU WERE LOOKING AT A MODEL THAT SORT OF INCORPORATED THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, VALUE OR TAX.
SO I WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I MAY NOT HAVE HAVE STATED IT, BUT I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
I THINK THE SINGLE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE OF A SOLID WASTE TAX IS THAT BY BEING ON THE MILLAGE, UH, IT'S GOT A VERY HIGH COLLECTION, VERY LOW BAD DEBT, AND THAT'S A VERY STRONG REVENUE MECHANISM AS A CONSEQUENCE.
UM, I MEAN, TYPICALLY PEOPLE PAY THEIR TAXES.
AND SO THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH, UM, IT'S INTERESTING, WE'VE NEVER WORKED WITH A COMMUNITY THAT HAS IMPLEMENTED A NEW SOLID WASTE TAX, BUT WE'VE DONE VERY, UH, DETAILED AND THOROUGH ANALYSIS FOR COMMUNITIES THAT HAD AN EXISTING SOLID WASTE TAX.
AND TO BE HONEST, WE'VE POINTED OUT MANY OF THE SHORTFALLS BECAUSE WE THINK A SOLID WASTE TAX IS NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT VERY, UM, EQUAL TO CUSTOMERS.
IT, IT OVERCHARGES SOME CUSTOMERS AND THEN UNDERCHARGE OTHERS.
SO IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS NOT A LEVEL, UM, FIELD THAT IS RECOVERING COSTS, UH, ACCURATE.
UH, AND EVEN AFTER LAYING THOSE OUT, WE'VE HAD CLIENTS TELL US, GEE, WE REALLY LIKE, UM, A TAX AS A REVENUE.
UH, AND, AND CONSEQUENTLY WE, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE SEEN THE TAX BE PREFERRED IS WHERE IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
WE HAVE NOT EVER HAD A CLIENT WHO'S IMPLEMENTED TAX.
DO ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? JUST THOUGHT SINCE HE DID A LOT OF INFORMATION AND STUFF, IJI JUST, UH, I WAS LOOKING AT, UH, MANAS CITY AND THE WAY THAT THEY, UH, THEY LOOK AT IT AND, UH, THEY DO SOMETHING LIKE A, A, A, A SOLID WASTE FEE.
AND, UH, IT'S BASED UPON A, UH, LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, A TOWN HOME, UH, SMALL BUSINESSES AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND THEN IT'S LIKE A, IT WOULD SHOW UP ON A REAL ESTATE, UH, I GUESS BILL REAL ESTATE TAX BILL, BUT IT WOULD SHOW UP AS A FEE, UH, TWICE A YEAR BETWEEN LIKE JUNE AND, UH, DECEMBER IN TWO PAYMENTS, SIR.
BUT THAT WAS OPTION TWO, I BELIEVE.
SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, SO I HAVE TO CONFESS, I DON'T KNOW, UH, THE CITY OF MANASSAS SYSTEM, BUT WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE USING A, A A, AN ASSESSMENT, UH, ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILL TO COVER THE COST OF SERVICES.
UM, AND, AND ACTUALLY THAT MAKES TREMENDOUS SENSE FOR YOUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER CLASS.
UM, AGAIN, JUST GOING BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION, UH, THE COST TO DELIVER RESIDENTIAL COLLECTION SERVICE IS VERY UNIFORM.
UH, AND SO IT, IT'S A, UM, IT'S A KIND OF A SLAM DUNK IN RATE SETTING, UH, WHERE YOU CAN CALCULATE THE COST PER CUSTOMER AND IT'S VERY REASONABLY ACCURATE FOR ALMOST EVERY CUSTOMER.
SO THAT, THAT WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS A, IT SOUNDS LIKE A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NON-AG OR ASSESSMENT.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE HE CONTINUES THEN MODERATOR IN THE PRESENTATION? OKAY.
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SO, SUPER.AND, AND SO THIS, ACTUALLY, I'M HOPING THIS TABLE, UM, SO, UH, UM, BASED ON ALL OF THE WORK THAT WE DID AND SYNTHESIZING A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HARD FOUGHT DATA, UH, THAT, UH, UH, FOUND STAFF WERE ABLE TO HELP PULL TOGETHER, UM, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS WHERE WE LANDED AS, UM, A, UH, A GOOD BALANCE, UH, BETWEEN COMPLEXITY AND FAIRNESS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IN A PERFECT WORLD, WE COULD MEASURE EXACTLY HOW MUCH TRASH AND RECYCLING EVERYBODY ON MAIN STREET GENERATES AND GET CHARGED THEM THEIR EXACT COST, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S JUST NOT PRACTICAL.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THIS TABLE IS THAT, UM, WE LOOKED AT ALL THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS AND HAVE EQUILIBRATED, THE MAIN STREET RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS WITH ANY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING, AND, AND WE FELT GOOD ABOUT THAT, AND WE THINK THERE'S PRECEDENT FOR THAT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
SO ESSENTIALLY A RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER CLASS VERY MUCH ADHERES TO LIKE THAT CITY OF MANASSAS EXAMPLE WHERE THEY JUST HAVE A USER FEE AND IT'S CHARGED ON AN ASSESSMENT, BUT IT'S A RESIDENTIAL FEE.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE LANDED ON, WHETHER YOU'RE IN MAIN STREET IN FRONT ROYAL, OR WHETHER YOU, YOU KNOW, DON'T LIVE ON MAIN STREET IF YOU'RE A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING, THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL RATE.
NOW, LET ME SWITCH OVER TO BUSINESSES, AND YOU CAN SEE THE CLASSES ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
UM, WE HAD, WE ACTUALLY WORKED QUITE A BIT AND HAD SOME INTERNAL DEBATES, HOW TO DEFINE CLASSES, ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
AND YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT, UM, ATTRIBUTES OF BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET TO CREATE THESE CLASSIFICATIONS.
WE'VE GOT A SIZE OF THE BUSINESS, SO KIND OF A SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE, WHICH JUST GOES RIGHT IN LINE WITH CLASS ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, WE KNOW THAT SOME BUSINESSES ARE IN THE FOOD SERVICE BUSINESS.
UH, FOLKS PROBABLY KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, FOOD, UH, TENDS TO MAKE WEIGHT DENSER AND HEAVIER.
UH, AND SO WE TRIED TO WEAVE IN BOTH THE SIZE AND WHETHER THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, HEAVIER FOOD WASTE.
UM, AND THE LAST THING IS WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT AS MUCH AS WE CONSULTANTS LIKE TO THINK WE KNOW EVERY ANSWER, UM, WE REALLY DON'T.
AND SO WE THOUGHT IT TOTALLY APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE NOTION THAT IF A BUSINESS COMES INTO THE MAIN STREET AREA THAT IS JUST TOTALLY OFF THE CHARTS, UM, IS DOING SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT THAT IT SHOULD BE, THERE SHOULD BE A CAPABILITY FOR AN EXCEPTION.
AND, AND SO WE, UM, THANKFULLY THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED SIMILAR TIERED RATE STRUCTURES.
WE DIDN'T INVENT THIS, WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, MAKE THIS UP OURSELVES.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT THESE BEST PRACTICES AND HOW THEY FUNCTION ELSEWHERE AND THEN TAILOR THOSE PRACTICES FOR FRONT ROW.
AND SO, UM, SO THIS GOT IMPLEMENT, I THINK, I THINK TO FORESHADOW THE, THE FINAL COUPLE OF, UH, POINTS HERE, PRESENTATION.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE CLASS ONE BUSINESS AND EVEN THE CLASS TWO BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, 122 TO $120 KIND OF IN A RANGE, BUT THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT CLASS THREE RATE JUMPS UP QUITE A BIT, $425 A MONTH FOR A LARGE BUSINESS OR A RESTAURANT.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT COULD CREATE SOME CONCERN.
AND SO LET'S SEE IF I'VE DONE THIS RIGHT.
HEY, JOHN, AS A, BEFORE YOU KEEP GOING, WE HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT PREVIOUS, ON SLIDE 16.
UM, JOHN, I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHO IS CATEGORIZING OR DEFINING THE BUSINESSES IN THE MAIN STREET AREA, UM, BECAUSE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS IMPLIED, BUT I GUESS IN RETROSPECT IT'S VAGUE AS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SMALL BUSINESS AND A MEDIUM BUSINESS.
AND UNTIL THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE AND ONE OF THEM WAS A, I BELIEVE IT WAS A COMIC BOOK SHOP, SO THEY DON'T PRODUCE MUCH WASTE, AND THEY WERE PAYING $120 A MONTH SO THAT I WOULD'VE CONSIDERED A COMIC BOOK SHOP A SMALL BUSINESS.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT IT IS POSSIBLE IN ANY NEW, UH, GREAT STRUCTURE ALONG THESE LINES THAT IT, WE, IT'S POSSIBLE TO MISS A FEW USING BEST AVAILABLE DESKTOP DATA.
SO IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE, UM, A CUSTOMER FEELS LIKE THEY ARE NOT IN THE RIGHT CLASS, AND CYNTHIA, UM, AND OTHER TOWN STAFF IF APPROPRIATE, UM, YOU KNOW, PLEASE, PLEASE, UH, CONTRIBUTE.
BUT, UM, THAT'S NOT UNEXPECTED.
UM, THE NOTION OF, UH, ADJUSTING ASSESSMENTS BASED ON VERIFYING CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS, UH, IS REASONABLE FROM OUR STANDPOINT.
SO THAT MAY BE A CASE, MAYBE, MAYBE THEY, UM, THE SIZE OR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT BUSINESS MAY HAVE BUMPED IT UP INTO SOME OF THE MEDIUM.
UM, BUT THEN FROM A WASTE GENERATING PROFILE STANDPOINT, MAYBE IT IS BETTER IN A SMALL CATEGORY.
UM, I, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A BALANCING ACT.
UM, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR THE TOWN TO GO, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS BY BUSINESS AND HAVE A DEEP CONVERSATION WITH EVERY BUSINESS OWNER TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY GO.
UM, I THINK THE CIRCUMSTANCE YOU DESCRIBED IS TO BE EXPECTED, UH, AND, AND FRANKLY,
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SOMETHING THAT ONCE WORKED OUT INITIALLY, UM, SHOULD BE ABLE TO CARRY FORWARD.YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A ONE TIME ISSUE TO GET CALIBRATED, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
WELL, AND THERE COULD BE AN INSTANCE WHERE THAT, UM, ACCOUNT WAS PAYING FOR MAYBE SOMETHING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT PARTICULAR WHAT ADDRESS THAT IS AT, BUT I HAVE THE ADDRESS, I CAN SHARE IT WITH YOU, BUT THAT I, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS STILL UNANSWERED.
WHO WAS IT MSW CONSULTANTS OR THE TOWN OR TOGETHER, WHO CURRENTLY WHAT WITH WHAT IS CATEGORIZED IN THE MAIN STREET AREA, WHO DEFINED THEM? THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS IS ULTIMATELY THE ONE TO DEFINE.
THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN DEFINED SO FAR.
SO MR. WALTZ WENT UP, MR. WALTZ IS GONNA, UM, CLARIFY SOMETHING.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD A FEW COMMENTS ON THIS.
WHEN WE EXECUTED THIS AND ROLLED OUT THE CLASSES, WE DID HAVE QUITE A FEW BUSINESSES THAT WERE CLASSIFIED WRONG.
UH, IT OVERSIGHT, AND WE'VE DEALT WITH PROBABLY 95% OF 'EM AND GOT THEM BACK TO RECLASSIFICATIONS.
BUT, UM, THERE WAS THE, THE, THE ROLLOUT WAS FLAWED IN A FEW AREAS AND WE ADDRESSED THOSE IMMEDIATELY AND ACTUALLY ADDRESSED ONE LAST WEEK THAT JUST SURFACED UP.
SO WE'RE ADDRESSED 'EM IMMEDIATELY, WE'RE MAKING THE APPROPRIATE ASSUMPTIONS AND GETTING INFORMATION AND PUTTING 'EM TO THE PROPER CLASSIFICATION BECAUSE THERE WERE A FEW ACCOUNTS WHERE THEY WERE JUST VERY SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT THEY WERE CLASSIFIED AS A CLASS TWO.
AND WE KNEW RIGHT OFF WHEN WE STARTED TALKING TO THE BUSINESS THAT THAT WAS INCORRECT, BUT IT WAS JUST A ROLLOUT, IT WAS FLAW OVER.
MAYOR, UH, MAY, MAY, MAY I ADD ON TO THAT? UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY 99% OF THE BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET HAVE 10 OR LESS EMPLOYEES.
SO THE CLASSIFICATION, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LARGE BUSINESS MEETING BUSINESS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL, MOST ALL THE BUSINESSES ARE SMALL BUSINESSES.
MOST OF THE EL MC WAY IS A VERY, VERY BUSY RESTAURANT, NOT IN THE MAIN STREET DISTRICT, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE 10 OR LESS EMPLOYEES AT ALL TIMES.
AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF SOLID WASTE AND A LOT OF HEAVY DENT, WELL, TONS OF GARBAGE COMING OUT OF THAT RESTAURANT.
SO WE HAVE SOME RATHER LARGE RESTAURANTS ON MAIN STREET WITH LESS THAN 10 EMPLOYEES, BUT THEY DO A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF THE DEFINITION OF, I I, I HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE THAT A DEFINITION OF A LARGE, LARGE BUSINESS, BUT THE TYPE OF WASTE IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE ALL AGREED THIS IS AGREED ON BACK IN LIKE APRIL, I BELIEVE.
WELL, JUST, I, I JUST DON'T WANT THAT TO BE LOST THAT THESE ARE SMALL BUSINESSES.
WELL, WE DO HAVE A LATER SLIDE, LIKE I SEE NUMBER 21 COMING UP THAT, UM, TELLS THE NUMBER THAT FOR EACH ONE, YOU KNOW, AT THE, AT THE ONSET, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE MORE TO COME IN THE STORY.
AND FRANKLY, I THINK THESE ARE ALL COMPLETELY HEALTHY, UM, CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE AND FEEDBACK FOR THE TOWN TO ADDRESS.
AND, UH, I THINK THE WAY THE TOWN HAS HANDLED IT, I, I MEAN, I, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, WE LOVE TO GET IT PERFECTLY RIGHT OUR FIRST DAY OF IMPLEMENTATION, BUT, UM, WITH IT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS SANITATION BUSINESS, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MESSY, NO PUN INTENDED.
UH, AND SO THE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED MAY, MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE AS YOUR ADVISOR DIDN'T MAYBE WAIT THE FLAG AND UP AND SAY, GEE, THERE, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME GROWING PAINS ON THIS.
UM, BUT IT REALLY HAS GONE, UM, YOU KNOW, REASONABLY GIVEN, UH, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, DATA LIMITATIONS AND JUST THE PROCESS THAT'S NEEDED.
AND I ACTUALLY, I THINK THE TOWN'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB IN THE WAY IT'S GONE ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION AND DEALING WITH SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAPPENED DURING THE ROLLOUT AND, AND CORRECTING THOSE.
I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD SERVICE THAT THE TOWNS DELIVER.
ALSO, WHEN I JOINED COUNCIL, WE WERE HAVING SOLID WASTE ISSUES WITH OTHER PARTICULAR AREAS AND DUMPSTERS.
AND I WILL SAY THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SMALL BUSINESS CLASSIFIED BY EMPLOYEES THAT'S SERVING FOOD, AND, UM, A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SHOP THAT HAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WASTE, UM, ARE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY'RE NOT PROPERLY TAKEN CARE OF, WHICH IS AN ISSUE THAT WE FACE BEFORE ANYBODY'S SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE EXCEPT FOR YOU ARE HERE, WHICH IS RATS.
AND THE HUMAN HEALTH AND SAFETY RISKS INVOLVED WITH THAT.
SO THE WAY THAT THOSE ARE HANDLED, UM, IS A LOT DIFFERENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, GO AHEAD.
THAT DOES, THAT DOES SPUR A THOUGHT THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THE RIGHT TIME TO, TO JUST INTERJECT ON THAT VERY POINT.
DOES THE DEFINITION OF QUOTE UNQUOTE SERVICE DELIVERED TO MAIN STREET, UM, KIND OF UNLIKE RESIDENTIAL CURBSIDE COLLECTION AND DUMPSTER COLLECTION, UM, WE UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, TOWN STAFF ARE, UH, THAT THEY'RE APPLYING SOME, UH, A HEIGHTENED
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KIND OF DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, LITTER COLLECTION, BEAUTIFICATION OVERFLOW CLEANUP.IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S A HEIGHTENED LEVEL OF SERVICE, UM, I THINK TO MAKE THE MAIN STREET AREA THE DESIRABLE AREA THAT IT IS.
SO ANYWAY, THAT FELT LIKE THE RIGHT TIME TO INTERJECT THAT BASED ON THE COMMENT.
SO IN ESTABLISHING THE RESIDENTIAL LIVING UNIT, WHAT DID YOU, WHAT WAS THE CRITERIA FOR THAT? SO THE, UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD'VE PROBABLY USED THE TERM A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT.
SO ANY, ANY, UM, UH, ANY PARCEL THAT, UH, ANY MIXED USE OR IT COULD BE A, LIKE AN, YOU KNOW, MULTI-DWELLING UNIT, APARTMENT TYPE SITUATION.
UM, AND, AND I, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, BUT WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BOTH, UM, MIXED USE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE SOME APARTMENTS AND THEN SOME BUSINESSES ON MAYBE ON DIFFERENT FLOORS.
AND I BELIEVE YOU MAY ALSO HAVE JUST SOME MULTI-UNIT PARCELS IN THE MAIN STREET AREA.
I'LL STOP BECAUSE MY COLLEAGUE CYNTHIA WOULD MAYBE RECALL BETTER THAN I.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY ANY STAND, ANY STEADY DWELLING UNIT, UM, IN A MIXED USE OR MULTIFAMILY DEPARTMENT WOULD BE COUNTED DETERMINED BY WHAT, WHAT WAS USED TO DETERMINE THAT THE UTILITY BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE INFORMATION FROM THE TAX ROLL, BUT ALSO THE TOWN ON THEIR INVOICED, UM, THEIR CURRENT INVOICING, THEY HAVE ACCOUNT SYSTEM UP.
WE PREVIOUSLY HAD, UH, WE PREVIOUSLY HAD BUSINESSES SET UP AS A $26.
UM, THAT WAS THE RATE WE HAD A COMMERCIAL RATE FOR, FOR MAIN STREET.
AND THEN WE ALSO WAS CHARGING RESIDENTIAL RATES ON MAIN STREET.
SO IF YOU TAKE A BUILDING LIFE, THE MOVIE THEATER THAT HAS THREE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND THE MOVIE THEATER, SO ARE THERE NOW FOUR BILLS FOR THAT, THE BILLS ARE BASED ON THE UTILITIES.
SO IF THEY HAVE ELECTRIC AND WATER, THEN THEY WOULD BE CHARGED FOR GARBAGE BASED ON THE UTILITY.
IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A ELECTRIC OR WATER, THEN CORRECT.
IF IT WAS ALL UNDER A RIGHT, THERE'S THREE SEPARATE ACCOUNTS, THREE APARTMENTS, THREE RESIDENTS, THREE SEPARATE UTILITY BILLS, THEY'RE GOING, THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO GET BILLED AT THE RESIDENTIAL LIVING UNIT RATE.
SO YOU TAKE ANOTHER BUILDING LIKE MIDDLE OF MAINE, WHICH HAS A MULTITUDE OF BUSINESSES IN IT, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE METERED.
SO FOR EACH METERED BUSINESS, THEY'RE GOING TO GET SMALL BUSINESS NUMBER ONE FOR EACH METERED BUSINESS, CORRECT.
WHETHER IT'S A INSURANCE OFFICE OR SOMETHING ELSE, WHETHER IT'S A LARGE OR SMALL TYPE OR A TRASH GENERATOR TO THE, UH, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
OBVIOUSLY THE, UM, UH, I BELIEVE IN A FUTURE SLIDE HERE, IT, UH, WILL ADDRESS, UH, THERE WERE 19, UM, UTILITIES, UH, THAT ARE NOT CHARGED FOR, UH, GARBAGE BECAUSE THEY'RE BILLED ON ANOTHER ACCOUNT.
UH, FOR INSTANCE, UM, IF THERE'S, UH, UH, A SEPARATE ACCOUNT FOR ELECTRIC, A SEPARATE ACCOUNT FOR WATER, BUT THEY'RE BEING BILLED, THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA BILL BOTH ACCOUNTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, YES, IF, UH, UM, BUT IT'S ADDRESSED HERE ON THE FUTURE SPOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE HE MOVES ON? OKAY, JOHN, THANK YOU.
UM, APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION.
SO, UM, WANTED TO FOCUS ON LARGE BUSINESSES, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THAT CLASS THREE CHARGE JUMPS UP QUITE A BIT RELATIVE TO CLASS TWO.
UM, AGAIN, UM, WE, WE, THE, THE NOTIONAL DEFINITION OF WHAT MAKES A CLASS THREE, UH, ESTABLISHMENT, UH, IS JUST BASED ON IT THE LIKELIHOOD, SIZE, AND THE LIKELIHOOD THAT IT'S GENERATING MORE IN THE HEAVIER WASTE.
UM, AND SO, UH, WE AT THE, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, AFTER THE ROLLOUT, SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT THERE CURRENTLY ARE TWO ACCOUNTS THAT HAVE RETAINED THE CLASS THREE DESIGNATION, UH, AND THAT $425 A MONTH CHARGE, UH, THEY ARE, BY THE WAY, UM, THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE, ON OUR NEXT SLIDES, UM, WE'VE TRIED TO VALIDATE THIS CHARGE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE COST OF SERVING ANY CUSTOMER, ANY COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER, THE MORE TIMES A WEEK, THE HIGHER THE FREQUENCY THAT COLLECTION IS PROVIDED TO THAT CUSTOMER, THE HIGHER THE COST IS GONNA, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE TOWN'S PROVIDING A SERVICE OR A PRIVATE BUSINESS IS PROVIDING A SERVICE, YOU KNOW, THREE TIMES A WEEK COLLECTION IS GONNA COST MORE THAN ONE TIME A WEEK COLLECTION FOR THE SAME SIZE DUMPSTER.
AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THE TOWN IS PROVIDING, UH, IS THAT TWO TO THREE TIMES A WEEK IN THE MAIN STREET AREA.
SO THAT SAID, UM, UH, I THINK A THOUGHT EXERCISE THAT WE WANTED TO,
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TO JUST QUICKLY RECAP FOR EVERYBODY IS, UM, TAKE ANY OF THE BUSINESSES AND EVEN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL BUSINESSES OFF OF MAIN STREET AND PUT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE TOWN AND TELL THEM THEY HAVE TO GO AND GET THEIR OWN TRASH COLLECTION AND RECYCLING COLLECTION.WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THEY DO? WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? AND SO, UM, WE HAVE USED THAT CONCEPT, UH, AS YOU KNOW, HOW REASONABLE IS OUR RATE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ON MAIN STREET? WHAT WOULD SIMILAR BUSINESSES HAVE TO PAY? AND AND I'M FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON CLASS, UH, CLASS THREE AND, UH, YOU'LL NOTE THIS PICTURE OF THE DUMPSTER.
UH, THIS DUMPSTER, UH, IS DESIGNED TO BE COLLECTED BY A FRONT LOAD TRUCK.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE BIG FORK COMING OFF THE FRONT.
UH, THAT'S A VERY EFFICIENT FORM OF COLLECTION BECAUSE THE TRUCK AND THE VEHICLE WOULD ROLL UP.
MAYBE IT HAS TO OPEN A GATE, BUT, UH, IT'S BASICALLY THE TRUCK IS LIFTING THAT VERY EASILY SETTING IT DOWN.
SO WE DID SOME RESEARCH AROUND THE TOWN, UM, AND WE ALSO, UM, UH, TOOK SOME, UH, TOOK THE EFFORT AND I THOUGHT THIS ACTUALLY WAS VERY INTERESTING TO GET SOME QUOTES.
AND SO, UH, THE TOWN OBTAINED AN, YOU KNOW, AN UNOFFICIAL QUOTE FOR THREE TIMES A WEEK SERVICE FOR DIFFERENT SIZED, UH, DUMPSTERS FOR THREE TIMES A WEEK IN TOWN HALL.
AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, A FOUR YARD DUMPSTER THREE TIMES A WEEK IS, YOU KNOW, $700 GOING UP TO $900 FOR AN EIGHT YARD OR THREE TIMES A WEEK.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MEANINGFUL IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT THE KIND OF THE, THE NON MAIN STREET COST WOULD BE.
UH, WE ALSO, UH, HAD ACCESS TO A CONFIDENTIAL SERVICE AGREEMENT FROM A RESTAURANT THAT WAS NOT AT MAIN STREET, THAT HAD ONLY A ONCE A WEEK SERVICE FREQUENCY FOR AN EIGHT YARDER, AND THAT ONCE A WEEK FEE WAS TWO 50.
UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAINTY, BUT THE COST TO DO TWICE A WEEK IS ESSENTIALLY GONNA BE TWICE THE COST TO DO ONCE A WEEK.
SO THAT'S $500 FOR TWICE A WEEK.
AND IF THE TOWN IS PROVIDING TWO TO THREE TIMES A WEEK IN MAIN STREET, MAYBE THAT'S SEVEN 50.
SO THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE HERE IS NOT TO TELL YOU THAT THESE ARE EXACTLY THE PRICES THAT WOULD BE CHARGED, UM, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO THE PENNY, UH, IF BUSINESSES WERE NOT ON MAIN STREET, BUT ONLY TO SAY THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS INFORMATION IS SUPPORTIVE, THAT THE RATES THAT WE'VE ARRIVED AT FOR CLASS THREE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN ARE, ARE VERY REASONABLE IN THE MARKET, IN THE TOWN, THE REGION OF THE TOWN OF FRONTAL WITH.
SO, AND ALSO THESE CHARGES, AGAIN, ARE FOR FRONT LOAD SERVICE AND, UM, ON THE LEFT IS A FRONT LOAD TRUCK WITH A SINGLE OPERATOR THAT PULLS IN WITH THOSE GIGANTIC FORKS AND, UH, VERY QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY DUMPS THAT DUMPSTER.
AND SO THOSE ARE THE QUOTES THAT WE GOT FOR NON MAIN STREET SERVICE.
BECAUSE IT OUT OUTSIDE OF THE MAIN STREET AREA, YOU HAVE A LOT MORE SPACE TO ACCESS FRONT LOAD CONTAINERS.
HOWEVER, IN MAIN STREET, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE.
AND SO IT'S A DIFFERENT STYLE OF DUMPSTER THAT TAKES A DIFFERENT COLLECTION VEHICLE THAT'S NOT NEARLY AS EFFICIENT, WHICH ALSO DRIVES UP THE COST.
UM, AND AGAIN, I MEAN, WE COULD MAYBE DEBATE MAYBE OFF PENNIES OR NICKELS, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UM, OUR TAKEAWAY IS THAT THE TOWN IS PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, A HARDER SERVICE, A LESS EFFICIENT SERVICE, AND THAT THE RATES WE'VE ARRIVED AT FOR CLASS THREE CUSTOMERS, UM, FOR THAT LESS EFFICIENT SERVICE, WHICH IS NECESSITATED BY THE DIFFICULTY OF SERVING THAT AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT'S REASONABLE IN THE LOCAL MARKET.
SO, SO IN ANY CASE, UH, HAVING SAID ALL OF THIS, UM, THE FIRST MONTH WHEN SOMEBODY ISSUES WITH CLASS THREE BILLING EMERGE, SO THERE WAS ESSENTIALLY NO CLASS THREE, UM, YOU KNOW, REVENUE RECOVERED, BUT, UH, THIS TABLE SUMMARIZES THE 7 71 RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, 44 CLASS ONE BUSINESSES, 17 CLASS TWO BUSINESSES.
UH, SO A TOTAL OF 132 BUSINESSES BILLED.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS RECOVERING TWO THIRDS OF YOUR REVENUE, UH, YOU KNOW, SET WITH A LITTLE MORE, ACTUALLY SET 67 OUT OF 92,000 OF YOUR, YOUR, YOUR REVENUE REQUIRED, UH, WITHOUT THE CLASS THREE.
UH, AND SO, UH, AND THIS MENTIONS, UH, BJ MENTIONED SOME OF THE UTILITY ACCOUNTS THAT HAVE, UH, TWO KINDS OF METERS.
SO THAT DOUBLE BILLING WAS ELIMINATED.
OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA DOUBLE BILL ANYBODY.
UH, AND SO THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, FIRST MONTH.
SO NOW HAD THOSE JUST, JUST BY ADDING THOSE TWO CLASS THREE ACCOUNTS, IF THOSE COULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED, UM, AS THE SAME TABLE SHOWS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GENERATING ANOTHER 7,000 OR SO ABOUT 10,000 ABOVE OF REVENUE AND REALLY BRINGING DOWN, UM, THAT SUBSIDY.
SO, UM, YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THESE TIERED RATES IS IT LETS THE LARGER WASTE GENERATION, UH, THE WASTE GENERATORS, YOU KNOW, COVER THE HIGHER COST TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.
AND IT DOES, IT DOES HAVE A REAL IMPACT ON THE BOTTOM LINE OF REVENUE COMING TO THE TOWN.
SO I THINK, I THINK, LET ME STOP HERE BECAUSE MY, THE LAST
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SEVERAL SLIDES I HAVE JUST TALK ABOUT, UM, DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT, THAT IF, IF WHAT I'VE DESCRIBED TO THIS POINT, AND, AND I'M GONNA GO BACK TO IT 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.SO I, I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY, UH, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE SEEING THE, UH, THE ACCEPTED RATE RECOMMENDATION FOR MAIN STREET.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOUR ADVISOR, UH, WE, WE PROBABLY LOOKED AT HALF A DOZEN, UH, DOWNTOWN CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, MAIN STREET AREAS.
UM, AND, AND WE FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THIS MATRIX.
AND WHILE WE RECOGNIZE IT IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, LEAVE MAYBE SOME COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, IN AN ARGUMENTATIVE, UH, MODE, UM, I THINK THE WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS WOULD BE AVAILABLE DATA REALLY REFLECTS WELL ON THE TOWN BALANCING FAIRNESS WITH REVENUE RECOVERY.
UM, AND SO THAT SAID, UM, BEFORE WE WERE ASKED TO COME AND, AND KIND OF GO OVER THIS REFRESHER, UH, WE WERE ALSO ASKED TO, I'M GONNA FLIP AHEAD, SO I DON'T WANT GIVE THERE ANYBODY A HEADACHE HERE, BUT WE WERE ASKED TO COME UP WITH JUST KIND OF OTHER OPTIONS.
IF, IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHERE WE ARE NOW, UM, YOU'RE NOT STUCK THERE.
YOU CAN GO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
UH, AND SO MY FINAL SLIDES HERE TONIGHT BEFORE WE GIVEN SOME MAYBE MORE CONVERSATION, HAVE TO DO WITH JUST OTHER WAYS THAT THE TOWN OF FRED ROYAL COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD GO ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT HOW TO RECOVER IN THE FULL COST OF SERVING WHAT IS INHERENTLY A TRICKY AREA, UH, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE COLLECTION SERVICE.
AND SO SOME OF THESE ARE REPEATS, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST ESSENTIALLY SAYING, HEY, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE, WE'RE JUST GONNA CHARGE YOU THE SAME AMOUNT.
SO THOSE APARTMENT DWELLING UNITS 58.9 A MONTH, THE RESTAURANT 58, 29 A MONTH, HEY, EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME.
UM, NUMBER TWO, I DON'T PRODUCE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TRASH AS SOME OF THEM.
I'M SORRY, THE MAYOR AND I WERE JUST A LITTLE MUMBLING ABOUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM FAIR.
THAT IS SUBSIDIZING STILL, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS SUBSIDY REQUIRED ZERO, YOU'RE SUBSIDIZING IT TO EVERYBODY ELSE WHO'S NOT.
OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, I SHOULD, I SHOULD POINT OUT, UM, THE PHRASE ON THESE OPTIONS, THE PHRASE WHERE IT SAYS SUBSIDY REQUIRED, UM, THAT ACTUALLY IS INTENDED TO, UH, INDICATE THAT, UM, UH, WHETHER THE GENERAL FUND WOULD HAVE TO, UM, COVER CUSTOMERS THAT DON'T HAVE METERS AND CAN'T, CAN'T CONSEQUENTLY PAY.
UM, AND I, IF I DIDN'T EMPHASIZE THIS EARLIER, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, THE MAIN STREET AREA, UH, AND THE METER BASED BILLING IS STILL A LITTLE MESSY.
AND I THINK THERE ARE A, A SMALL SUBSET OF CUSTOMERS THAT ARE GENERATING WASTE, BUT MAYBE DO NOT HAVE A METER.
UH, SO THERE, THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL CLEANUP OVER TIME AND I GUESS I WOULD STOP THERE IF I, I CAN'T SEE, UH, IF BJ OR, UH, ANYBODY ELSE, UM, HAS ANY CORRECTIONS TO THAT.
BUT, UM, ON THESE OPTIONS, THIS NOTION OF THE SUBSIDY IS WHETHER OR NOT THE TOWN GENERAL FUND WOULD BASICALLY HAVE TO PAY SOME OF THE, FOR THE SERVICE BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A RATE PAYER THAT WE CAN REASONABLY GET A BILL TO.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE SUBSIDY REQUIRED, UH, REALLY MEANS NOT WHETHER OR NOT ONE CUSTOMER CLASS IS SUBSIDIZING ANOTHER.
I'LL JUST SAY JOHN IS CORRECT.
YES, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
I, I JUST, I WANTED TO ASK OR NOT WHAT TO SAY TO COUNSEL, DO WE WANT TO COMMENT ON EACH OF THESE CHOICES OR KEEP GOING AND DISCUSS IT LATER? I MEAN, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT ONE IS REALLY JUST, OBVIOUSLY IT'S SO FAR LEFT FIELD 'CAUSE THERE'S NO WAY OF, UH, A PERSON IN AN APARTMENT SHOULD BE PAYING THE SAME THING AS AS, I MEAN, SAME.
DO Y'ALL WANNA DISCUSS EACH OPTION OR WAIT UNTIL HE SAYS OTHER THINGS? OR WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANNA DO? KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING.
SO, UM, SO KIND OF, KIND OF ALL, BY THE WAY, ALL OF THESE OPTIONS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UH, FLAVORS ON SIMILAR THEMES.
UM, SO, UH, I'LL TRY TO, I'LL TRY TO STATE THEM AS CONCISELY AS I CAN, BUT OPTION TWO WOULD BE TO, AT A MINIMUM GET YOUR RESIDENTIAL RATE EQUIVALENT RATED THAN MAIN STREET FOR YOUR RESIDENT, YOUR MAIN STREET RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT WOULD BE THE QUICKEST AND EASIEST IMMEDIATE FIX IS BRING THAT RESIDENTIAL RATE DOWN AND THEN LUMP ALL OF YOUR COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS INTO THE BUCKET AND CHARGE THEM ALL THE SAME.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN EXCHANGE FOR GETTING YOUR RESIDENTIAL RATE DOWN TO THE SAME AS EVERY OTHER HOUSEHOLD IN THE TOWN AT 2205 A MONTH, THAT'S GONNA KICK UP WHAT EVERY BUSINESS PAYS.
SO EVERY SMALL BUSINESS, MEDIUM BUSINESS, LARGE BUSINESS, RESTAURANT, FOOD SERVICE, THEY'RE ALL GONNA PAY UNDER THIS OPTION.
NUMBER TWO, IF THEY ALL PAY THE SAME, THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.
AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD COVER THE FULL COST OF THE SERVICE,
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UH, DOWNTOWN BECAUSE WE WOULD JUST BE DIVIDING THAT FULL COST OVER THE KNOWN CUSTOMER BASE.ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? COUNSEL? ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU SHOWED US A MAP EARLIER OF THE AREA THAT THIS INCLUDED, BUT IT'S NOT ALL OF MAIN STREET AS I UNDERSTAND, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO IF I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MAIN STREET, I'M GONNA PAY A DIFFERENT RATE THAN IF I'M OVER HERE, I PAY ONE, RIGHT? WAYNE WOULD PAY A DIFFERENT RATE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND ARE YOU LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION WHY THAT IS? IT'S NOT THE SIDES OF THE STREET, IT'S WEST MAIN VERSUS THIS PART OF MAINE? CORRECT.
SO ABOVE THE GAZEBO, UM, WOULD HAVE, UM, THEIR OWN CONTAINERS.
THEY MAY HAVE THE OPTION FOR COMMERCIAL SERVICE, SO THEY WOULD BE PAYING DIFFERENT RATES.
SO, UM, IF A, UM, ABOVE THE GAZEBO, IF THEY'RE PAYING, IF THEY'RE, UH, IF THERE'S A SMALL BUSINESS UP THERE, UH, MOST LIKELY THEY HAVE A CONTAINER.
SO THEY'RE PAYING THE, UM, 2205 A MONTH WHERE, UH, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE DUMPSTERS.
UH, THIS IS FOR THE ACCESS TO THE DUMPSTERS IS WHAT THIS IS, UH, ENCOMPASSING.
SO THE AREA ONLY HAS DUMPSTERS CORRECT.
'CAUSE ONE BUSINESS OWNER SAID, PEOPLE ARE FILLING MY DUMPSTERS UP ALL THE TIME.
NO WONDER YOU HAVE TO EMPTY 'EM.
SO THAT'S A SHARED DUMPSTER WITHIN CORRECT.
WHOEVER COULD WALK THERE OR DRIVE IT AND PUT THEIR STUFF IN IT.
WHICH WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT.
IT MR. OR COUNSEL WOULD, BECAUSE I, I KNOW THAT WAS I, MY QUESTION'S ANSWERED.
NO, BUT I'M, I'M SAYING I HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT QUESTION.
HE WASN'T THE ONLY ONE IS THAT, I THINK WHAT'S VALID ABOUT THAT IS THAT I'D ASK TOO, LIKE IS THERE A WAY TO PUT LIKE, SOME KIND OF LIKE KEY OR SOMETHING WHERE NOT ANYBODY COULD THROW TRASH INTO IT? UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE, THAT, THAT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S A, THAT'S A, I'M GETTING IT OFF OUT OF MY HEAD BEFORE I SAY ANYTHING ELSE, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? YOU SAID YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION.
WELL, IF WE GO FURTHER AND LET HIM GET THROUGH THE SLIDES AND THESE OPTIONS AND PEOPLE EITHER DECIDE TO CHIME IN TONIGHT OR WAIT UNTIL, WELL, I DON'T, NEXT MONTH WILL BE A YEAR WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IT AND ASK QUESTION.
WELL, WE, WE WON'T BE DISCUSSING THIS AGAIN TONIGHT.
WE'RE NOT JUST LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW WE'RE WALKING OUT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNDERSTOOD AROUND THE TABLE.
WE'RE WALKING OUTTA HERE TONIGHT WITH DIRECTION FOR STAFF.
SO THANK YOU BECAUSE ALL RIGHT.
SO, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK A LOT OF TIMES UNDER THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, UH, AND, AND AS THE TOWN HAS EXPERIENCED THE HIGHER RATES, THE CLASS TWO AND THREE RATES, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE, THE, THE BIGGEST PUSHBACK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY KIND OF GO FROM A HIDDEN COST TO NOW THEY'RE VISIBLE.
UH, AND I THINK THAT HAS HAPPENED.
SO WE TRIED TO LOOK AT SOME, SOME RATES THAT, THAT, THAT FRANKLY DON'T RECOVER THE FULL COST FROM YOUR COMMERCIAL SECTOR.
UM, BECAUSE THAT PROBABLY THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR IS THE MESSIEST.
SO IN SOME REGARDS, UM, IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN MAKING A CONCESSION TO THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR, WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME RATES THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SHOWED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE RATES MORE PALATABLE TO YOUR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS.
BUT THEN THE OFFSET FOR THAT IS JUST THAT THE GENERAL FUND WOULD NEED TO EXPECT TO COVER THE COST THAT ARE NOT BEING RECOVERED FROM COMMERCIAL RATES.
SO, OPTIONS THREE AND FOUR, UM, AGAIN, I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD CONVICTION ABOUT, UM, KEEPING RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, ACQUI EQUILIBRATED ACROSS THE TOWN, BOTH IN AND OUT OF MAIN STREETS.
SO YOU CAN SEE IN BOTH, UH, OPTIONS THREE AND FOUR, WE RETAIN THAT.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, WE DID LOOK AT, UM, UH, WE LOOKED AT SOME, UM, ESSENTIALLY SUBSIDIZATION, UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DRIVE THE AVERAGE COMMERCIAL RATE.
YOU KNOW, DOWN, I, I HAVE TO BE HONEST, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW WE ARRIVED AT EXACTLY THESE NUMBERS.
UM, CYNTHIA, YOU MAY HAVE TO HELP ME.
UH, BUT I THINK THE POINT NUMBER THREE, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU WENT ON RESIDENTIAL FROM 1410 A MONTH TO 2205.
SO IF YOU TAKE THAT SAME PERCENT INCREASE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S TOWN WIDE AND YOU TAKE THAT SAME, SAME PERCENT INCREASE TO $26, YOU GET 40.
'CAUSE HISTORICALLY THE TOWN HAS HAD A FLAT RATE FOR ALL COMMERCIAL ENTITIES.
UM, SO, SO THAT 40, $40 AND 66 CENTS REFLECTS
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THE EXACT PERCENTAGE RATE INCREASE AS WAS RECOMMENDED ON THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR.UM, HOWEVER, TO DO THAT, YOU'RE LEFT, YOU KNOW, ALMOST $44,000 SHORT OF FULL REVENUE RECOVERY FROM MAIN STREET.
UM, AND THEN OPTION FOUR, UM, WE, I THINK WE'RE SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE KIND OF THE FULL COST AND THE, THE VERY HIGH SUBSIDY.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE UP AT 70, IF $75 PER COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IS YOUR BOGIE, UM, YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH ABOUT AN $18,600 SUBSIDY FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, IN ORDER TO KIND OF GIVE THAT LEVEL OF, OF EQUITY.
CAN I, I, I HAVE A QUESTION, JOHN, THAT'S NOT, NOT FOR YOU.
UM, MR. WILSON OR MR. WALTER, WHOMEVER, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS AROUND TOWN THAT MAYBE HAVE RESTAURANTS OR SMALL BUSINESSES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THE BUSINESS MAY HAVE THREE OR FOUR CONTAINERS AND WE WOULD CHARGE THE, THE 2205 IS BASED ON A 96 GALLON CONTAINER.
SO IF THEY HAVE TWO CONTAINERS, IT WOULD BE 44 10.
I'M TA I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE RESTAURANTS AROUND TOWN.
DO WE, UM, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY OR, OR I'M JUST ASKING LIKE, DO OTHER, THEY THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO ASK, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO PRI DO IT PRIVATELY? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
WELL, WE, WE DON'T, I'M SORRY, SORRY,
WE DECIDED BACK IN 20 17, 20 18 NOT TO BRING ON ANY MORE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS.
'CAUSE WE BELIEVE, I BELIEVE, AND STILL TO THIS DAY, THAT THAT MARKET IS HANDLED BY PRIVATE BUSINESSES THAT CAN OFFER A MORE COMPETITIVE PRICE THAN WE CAN, OKAY.
SO WE MADE THAT STANCE BACK IN 2018.
NOT TO BRING ON ANY MORE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS.
WE STILL HAVE COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS THAT ARE LEGACY, BUT WE NORMALLY STEER AWAY FROM COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS.
ARE ARE, ARE THERE, ARE WHAT THEY PAYING COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWN ON MAIN STREET? I'M CURIOUS, ARE YOU ALLOWED TO SAY THAT? YEAH, THE, I CAN NAME SOME BUSINESSES, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET THERE.
THE, UM, I'M TRYING TO SEE, UH, JOHN, CYNTHIA, DO YOU GUYS HAVE THE COMMERCIAL RATE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? I DON'T REMEMBER IT, BUT I HERE, YEAH, IF IT'S AN YARD, NO, THEY'RE ALL EIGHT YARDS AND ONCE, ONE TIME PER WEEK.
SERVICE IS NOW $275 A MONTH, TWICE A WEEK.
SO OUTTA MAYOR, CAN I ANSWER THAT QUESTION? I ACTUALLY, NO, I'M SORRY.
BUT I, I HAVE THE INFORMATION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
I I, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA DO THAT.
'CAUSE THEN WE START THAT THEN EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE AND THAT, THAT WE ARE TRYING TO, SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, CINDY, UH, BJ YOU'RE SAYING IF IT'S TWICE A WEEK, THAT PER MONTH IT'S 550, IF THAT'S WHAT WE CURRENTLY PROVIDE? YES.
BUT THAT'S JUST FOR A RESTAURANT, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NO, THAT, THAT'S FOR COMMERCIAL.
UH, THAT'S, UH, ANY BUSINESS COMMERCIAL.
YEAH, ANY BUSINESS FOR COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD HAVE THAT TWICE A WEEK.
PICK THAT, THAT ONCE, TWICE A WEEK PICK UP.
SO, UH, SO LET'S SEE HERE, UM, IN TERMS OF JUST AGAIN, KIND OF FURTHER REFINING, UH, THE THOUGHT PROCESS, UM, IF YOU WANTED TO, UM, UM, ESSENTIALLY CONSOLIDATE YOUR, UH, COMMERCIAL DOWN TO THE CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO.
SO THAT'S GONNA MOVE, UH, THE VERY SMALL NUMBER OF CLASS THREES DOWN INTO YOUR CLASS TWO, UM, THAT'S GONNA END UP WITH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT $25,000 THAT OF REVENUE THAT WOULD NOT BE RECOVERED IF YOU JUST CONSOLIDATE AWAY.
UM, IF YOU WANTED TO KIND OF, UH, RESET, UM, JUST TO CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO TO NOT LOSE ALL OF THAT SUBSIDY, YOU CAN SEE, UH, UH, OPTION SIX, YOU NEED TO BUMP UP YOUR CLASS ONE FROM 46 TO 58.
YOU NEED TO BUMP UP YOUR CLASS TWO FROM ONE 20 TO 1 75.
AND THAT'S GONNA BRING YOUR GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY DOWN QUITE A BIT.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL, WE'RE TRYING TO JUST GIVE SOME FLAVORS OF, OF HOW YOU COULD THINK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, WHETHER THE, THE TOWN WANTS TO EXTEND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SUBSIDY TO THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR IN THE MAIN STREET AREA.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR SORT OF IN, YOU KNOW, HIGHER OR LOWER SUBSIDIES FOR THAT AREA.
AND SO I THINK, I THINK THIS IS MY LAST SLIDE.
YOU MIGHT BE HAPPY ABOUT THIS.
UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AND I THINK I'VE EVEN HEARD SOME COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, FROM SOME OF YOU HERE ON THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IN THE MAIN STREET AREA, UH, TO LET YOUR MAYBE ONE OR TWO OR THREE OR FIVE LARGE GENERATORS JUST GO TO THE PRIVATE MARKET? BECAUSE AS WAS STATED, YOU DO HAVE A HEALTHY PRIVATE MARKET.
BUT I THINK, UM, AND SO THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE POSSIBLE FROM A, YOU KNOW, FROM A A A RATE SETTING STANDPOINT,
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IF WE COULD GO REMOVE CERTAIN GENERATORS AND SAY, OH, HEY, THIS, THIS RESTAURANT, THIS BUSINESS WILL GO, THEY'LL LEAVE THE SYSTEM.WE CAN RECALCULATE THE RATES ACCORDINGLY.
AND IN THEORY, THAT WOULD ALSO REDUCE THE OPERATING EXPENSE FOR THE TOWN TO SERVE THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
HOWEVER, WHAT WE THINK WE'VE LEARNED IN WORKING WITH MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES ON THIS ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKING THE DUMPSTER COLLECTION, UH, FOR A SINGLE RESTAURANT IN THE MAIN STREET AREA, UH, AND GIVING THAT TO A PRIVATE HOLLERER IS NOT LIKELY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE OVERFLOW AND LITTER CREATING ISSUES THAT CAN OCCUR IN THAT VERY DENSE AREA.
AND IT ALSO, UH, IS LIKELY GOING TO CAUSE SOME PARKING SPACES TO GO AWAY IN ORDER TO HAVE AN APPROACHABLE FRONT LOAD CONTAINER.
UM, WHICH IS GONNA FURTHER, YOU KNOW, CREATE SORT OF DENSITY ISSUES IN THAT DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, OFF EXPENSE TO JUST HAVING A, UH, A MAIN STREET BUSINESS GO TO THE PRIVATE MARKET.
THEY, THEY'RE KIND OF THESE UNINTENDED CON CONSEQUENCES THAT WE THINK WOULD BE A CONCERN IN FRONT ROYAL.
UM, THE, THE LAST THING WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, AND I WOULD ACTUALLY ASK CYNTHIA TO ELABORATE AS NEEDED.
UM, AT THE MOMENT, THE MAIN STREET AREA RELIES ON A SERIES OF SHARED DUMPSTERS.
UM, THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE MADE THE DECISION TO FIND A LOCATION FOR, UH, WHAT'S CALLED A COMPACTOR.
AND A COMPACTOR CONTAINER IS A MUCH LARGER CONTAINER THAT'S GOT A HYDRAULIC RAM IN IT THAT AS, AS YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES DEPOSIT WASTE IN THE CONTAINER, UH, THE RAM GETS ACTIVATED AND COMPACTS THE WASTE.
SO IT CAN HOLD A LOT MORE WASTE, AND THEREFORE YOU CAN ELIMINATE SMALLER CONTAINERS THAT DON'T COMPACT.
UH, AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING POTENTIALLY TO BE CONSIDERED.
HOWEVER, UM, PROBABLY THAT CREATES A LOT OF LONGER WALKING DISTANCES.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WOULD BE REMOVING MULTIPLE SMALLER CONTAINERS AND PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, ONE, TWO COMPACTOR CONTAINERS, AND THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF DIFFICULTY FOR BUSINESSES TO GET THE TRASH OUT THEIR BACK DOOR AND INTO THAT NEW COMPACTOR.
BUT THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE, HAVE KIND OF TALKED AND, AND I WILL SAY, CYNTHIA, I FEEL LIKE THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE GONE TO THE CENTRAL COMPACTOR, SOMETIMES THEY'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, UM, LIKE A SEPARATE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ORGANIZATION, UH, WHICH IS WHERE THE BUSINESSES SORT OF COLLECTIVELY DECIDE TO DO THAT THEMSELVES, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING, UM, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT DO IT.
UH, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED.
AND CYNTHIA, I FEEL LIKE YOU, UH, YOU AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ROBBIE AND SOME OF THE OTHER OPERATIONS FOLKS LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT TWO MAJOR ENCLOSURES RIGHT NOW.
IT'D BE A, IT WOULD BE A FEASIBILITY AT THOSE LOCATIONS, THEN YOU NEED TO DEAL WITH ACCESS TO THAT.
I BELIEVE ROANOKE, VIRGINIA HAS A LOCKED SYSTEM WHERE YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A CERTAIN WAY, UM, TO ACCESS THEM.
BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH THE BILLING AND HOW THAT BACKEND STUFF, UM, BY THE USE.
I THINK THEY'RE ALLOWED USE AND THEN SOMEBODY'S BACK BILLING BASED ON USAGE.
AND THEN, UM, I KNOW CITY OF COLUMBIA, MISSOURI HAS GOT MULTIPLE SMALL CONTRACTORS THROUGHOUT THEIR LARGE, UH, DOWNTOWN AREA, AND IT IS A SHARED, UH, BILLING SYSTEM WITH MAYBE NINE, UH, RATES IN THEIR STRUCTURE 'CAUSE OF MANY MORE BUSINESSES.
AND THEN, UM, LAWRENCE, KANSAS, THEY HAVEN'T MOVED TO THE CONTRACTORS YET THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT THEY DO HAVE THE SHARED BILLING STRUCTURE.
UM, LET ME SEE, AUBURN, ALABAMA, IT'S A DECENT ONE, I THINK.
UM, I THINK MY HOME STATE OF ORLANDO, UM, IN THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA, THEY'VE INSTALLED COMPACTORS AND THEN THEY'VE ASSIGNED LITTLE ACTIVATION CARDS TO ALL THE BUSINESSES.
SO THE BUSINESSES, UH, HAVE TO BRING A LITTLE WHATEVER MAGNET, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE CAR YOU GET AT A HOTEL WHEN YOU CHECK IN YOUR ROOM, THAT LITTLE PLASTIC CARD THAT, YOU KNOW, FLIPS THE SWITCH.
UM, SO, SO THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL USAGE TRACKING ABILITY THAT YOU GET WITH WHEN YOU GO WITH A COMPACTOR.
UM, BUT YOU NEED A LOT MORE SPACE AND YOU, UH, MAKE, UH, THE COLLECTION VEHICLE ACCESS, UM, IS POTENTIALLY TRICKIER.
UH, AND SO THAT, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
I, I WOULD CHARACTERIZE THAT AS, UM, IF, IF I, I THINK I WOULD CHARACTERIZE THE COMPACTOR SOLUTION AS ONE TO REVISIT IN A YEAR OR TWO IF THE CURRENT RECOMMENDED TIERED RATE STRUCTURE WITH THE CURRENT SERVICE DELIVERY IS JUST FLAT OUT NOT WORKING.
UM, I I, AND AGAIN, IT'S EASY FOR ME TO STAND HERE BEFORE YOU AND SAY THIS NOW.
UM, FUEL, WELL, I WOULD SAY THE, I WOULD SAY KEEP THE RATE STRUCTURE, BUT THEN INPUT THE COMPACTOR IN FOR POSSIBLY REDUCTION OF THE OVERFLOW THAT PEOPLE CAN STILL HAVE OVERFLOW WITH CONTRACTORS, BUT THE RACE STRUCTURE COULD STILL BE THE, THE SAME.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT'S, YEAH, IT IS.
AND I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, NIGHTMARES FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE STARTED WITH SOME KIND OF AN ACCESS SYSTEM THAT THEY HAD TO KEEP UP WITH AND KEYS
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AND CODES AND EVERYTHING.AND IT'S JUST, THAT'S HARD TOO.
SO THERE, THERE'S ADMINISTRATIVE END OF THAT THAT'S, UM, PROBLEMATIC, BUT YEP.
SO, SO I THINK THE POINT I WAS MAKING IS THE CENTRAL COMPACTOR WOULD BE SOMETHING TO REVISIT MORE IN THE MIDTERM AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING.
UM, I, I GUESS I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT COUNSEL DIRECTS STAFF TO GO AND IMPLEMENT COMPACTORS AS A RESULT OF THIS MEETING, BUT I THINK WE WANTED TO MENTION THAT AS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN YOUR BACK POCKET, MAYBE OVER TIME, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT THAT'S WORTH REVISITING AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME.
MR. WAL, YOU, I THINK ALL OF THIS AND, AND I WAS PRETTY SURE I WAS DONE.
UM, MY HOPE IS THAT THIS HAS BEEN A SUITABLE REFRESHER FOR THE MANY, YOU KNOW, NOT NONE, NO SINGLE ISSUE TO THIS IS, IS COMPLICATED.
BUT WHEN YOU THROW ALL OF THESE DYNAMICS TOGETHER, UM, IT JUST BECOMES, IT BECOMES CHALLENGING SOMETIMES.
AND SO I, UM, I THINK, I THINK WE FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT, UH, HAVING DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN WORKING WITH TOWN STAFF TO COMPILE A BASIS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION THAT'S BEEN ACCEPTED.
BUT THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOUR CUSTOMERS, UM, AND OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT THESE DETAILS, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND SERVE AS A RESOURCE FOR YOU, UM, AS YOU CONTEMPLATE WHETHER TO STAY THE COURSE OR WHETHER TO REVISIT SOME OTHER OPTION.
AND I FEEL LIKE WITH THAT, I CAN TURN IT BACK OVER, UH, TO THE TOWN, UH, TO PROVIDE APPROPRIATE GUIDANCE.
UH, BEFORE MR. WELTZ, 'CAUSE YOU WERE GONNA OFFER SOMETHING.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY ONE THING.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT EVERYBODY THAT'S SITTING AT THIS TABLE HAS BEEN HERE THE WHOLE TIME.
SO WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY NEW PEOPLE.
SO, UM, AT LEAST EVERYBODY'S A AWARE OF THAT TIMELINE.
AND WHAT, WHAT HAS GONE ON, MR. LTZ? YOU WERE, I I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT STAFF, UH, IS STILL EXPLORING THESE COMPACTORS.
I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO FIND A PASSPORT FOR THAT.
I THINK THAT WILL HELP OUT TREMENDOUSLY IN MAIN STREET.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, WE'LL BRING SOMETHING FORTH ONCE WE GET ENOUGH INFORMATION.
WE'VE GOT SOME PRICE QUOTES NOW LOCATION AND OTHER THINGS NEED TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT WE ARE EXPLORING THE CONTRACT.
SO COUNSEL, AT THIS TIME, DO YOU ALL WANNA GO BACK TO SLIDE 23 AND JUST LOOK AT EACH ONE AND I MEAN, WELL, FIRST OFF, MAYBE I SHOULD
THEY'VE GOT IT TOO, BUT NO, THAT'S GREAT.
UM, DO WE, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANNA CHANGE ANYTHING OR DO WE WANNA EXPLORE SOME OF THESE OTHER, UM, DO WE WANNA EXPLORE SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS, DISCUSS IT? OR WHAT'S THE PATH WHERE YOU ALL WANT TO GO ON FOR NOW? WELL, I'M, I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO ALL THIS AND WE'VE LEARNED THE LAST MEETING FROM WHAT WE'VE LEARNED PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
I MEAN, PROBLEMS WERE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT WEREN'T PAYING REALLY ANYTHING AT ALL.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE MISCLASSIFICATION OF BUSINESSES, WHICH WE'VE STRAIGHTENED UP OR WORKING ON STRAIGHTENED UP.
SEEMS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL RATE, MY TAKE IS ON IT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A RESIDENTIAL RATE, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL RATE THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT SEEMS, I THINK IT SHOULD BE ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAKE OF SIMPLICITY.
AND, AND I'M JUST, MY QUESTION MAYBE TO BJ, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, HOW MUCH CAN WE CLEAN UP OR HOW MUCH CAN WE EXPECT TO RECOVER IF WE ACTUALLY ENFORCE, YOU KNOW, CHARGING THESE UNITS INDIVIDUALLY AS IT SHOULD BE TO, TO GET, I MEAN, WOULD THAT CLEAN UP, LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE, LIKE OPTIONS THREE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS THREE THROUGH SIX FOR THE SUBSIDY THAT HE'S MENTIONING.
I MEAN, CAN WE, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO RECOVER WHAT WE SHOULD ALREADY BEEN BEEN CHARGING? BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING, WE GOTTA LOOK AT IT THIS WAY THAT WE, THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIX IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA, WE, WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE BITING THE BULLET WITH, WITH THE MONEY, BUT NOW WE GOTTA BITE THE BULLET FOR A SOLUTION.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO SIMPLIFY IT IN THE SENSE THAT WHAT WE, WHAT CAN WE FIX IMMEDIATELY? AND IT SEEMS, I MEAN, IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, IF, IF THAT NUMBER IS SHORT ON RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON MAIN STREET, WHICH I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE'S, THERE'S SOME SEVERAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT AREN'T PAYING ANYTHING AND THEY'RE GOING TO THE DUMPSTERS AND THROWING STUFF IN THERE AND NOT, NOT COUNTING KNOW AS CONSTABLE WOOD MENTION, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL PUBLIC USE OF THESE DUMPSTERS AS WELL.
THOSE ARE TWO PROBLEMS I THINK WE SHOULD, THAT WE COULD LOOK TO ADDRESS RATHER IMMEDIATELY.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, GET THE CORRECT NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS
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FOR THIS AREA.UM, I GUESS THE PROPERTY TO, TO BUILD.
SO DO WE BUILD A LANDLORD? WELL, YOU BUILD, WELL YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO BUILD A, I MEAN THE LANDLORD'S, THE LANDLORD.
IF YOU'VE GOT SIX APARTMENTS, THEN OKAY, THERE'S SIX TRASH COLLECTIONS.
NOW, HOWEVER, HOW WE DO THAT, LIKE I WAS SAYING NOW, NOW I'M SAYING THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA CREATE ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WAS BEING BROUGHT UP AS WELL.
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH SIX TRASH CANS? DO YOU ADD ANOTHER DUMPSTER? WELL, I'M JUST SAYING, BUT LET'S ATTACK IT ONE, ONE THING AT A TIME.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THOUGH, THAT'S GOTTA BE FIXED.
AND AT LEAST IN MY OPINION THAT THAT SHOULD BE FIXED.
SO LET'S FIGURE THAT PART OUT.
LET'S, LET'S GET THE CORRECT NUMBER OF UNITS ON MAIN STREET RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
AND I I, MY TAKE IS IF IT'S IN A, IF IT'S A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT, ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE LANDLORD IF THEY'RE GOING CHARGE YEAH.
BE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE FOR RENT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LIVE HERE IN TOWN, YOU GOTTA, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE PART OF, THAT'S ADDRESS ELECTION.
IF WE WANT PUT IT ON THE LANDLORD, BUT NOT ALL PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE UTILITY ACCOUNTS, THE THE UTILITY ACCOUNT MAY BE UNDER A WELL THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WELL THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A TRASH, TRASH BUILDING.
AND YOU ALSO SHARED ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WITH COUNSEL BACK IN.
THERE'S A SUMMARY OF ALL THE MEETINGS WE'VE HAD.
SO WE WERE ALL AWARE THAT THERE WERE ACCOUNTS NOT BEING BILLED PROPERLY RESIDENTIALLY BECAUSE THE LANDLORDS, AND SOME OF 'EM I WOULD LOOSELY CALL AN APARTMENT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO FIX, THAT'S A GLARING ISSUE THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET FIXED UNLESS WE USE SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I'M, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, UM, SO LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, RIGHT? LIKE I'M, WE'RE, I'M A LANDLORD OR MY, MY FAMILY WE'RE A LANDLORD, RIGHT? SO, WELL, WE, OUR RENT DOESN'T INCLUDE THEIR TRASH BECAUSE THEY HAVE A UTILITY ACCOUNT.
AND SO, UM, AT LIKE A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEY HAVE A DUMPSTER.
UM, I MEAN, UM, THAT'S A COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD, THEY HAVE A PRIVATE, UM, SOME, SO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX WOULD PAY THE BILL FOR THAT, THAT UH, SOLID WASTE REMOVAL.
AND I WOULD ASSUME THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD INCORPORATE IT INTO THEIR RENT SOMEHOW, RIGHT? USUALLY, SOMETIMES.
I MEAN, USUALLY THAT'S HOW THAT GOES.
SO, SO COUNCILMAN INGRAM BROUGHT UP A POINT AND I JUST WANNA ASK, IS THAT A GLARING PROBLEM WHERE WE HAVE RESIDENCES, APARTMENTS, RESIDENCES ON MAIN STREET THAT ARE NOT, THAT ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE SOLID WASTE AT ALL? UH, YES, MOST LIKELY WE DO.
UM, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SET UP A UTILITY ACCOUNT FOR GARBAGE ONLY, BUT THEN WHAT OUR ENFORCEMENT MEANS IF I DON'T HAVE A UTILITY WITH IT, SO THEN OUR BAD DEBT, YOU KNOW, COULD GO UP.
I CAN'T SAY THAT WILL OR WON'T.
AND THEN GETTING, WHICH IS THAT WOULD JUST CHARGE, CHARGE THE LANDLORD BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER.
BUT THAT WOULD UP TO THEM TO PASS THAT ACROSS TO THE POINT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THEY HAD
YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT WITH THAT.
THE NEXT PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT THE ASSESSMENT RECORDS, UM, AREN'T ENTIRELY ACCURATE TO BE ABLE TO TELL US THIS IS A, UH, SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ON MAIN STREET OR OLDER, YOU KNOW, IS THIS TOO DWELLING, YOU KNOW, WELL, AND THEY MAKE ONE APARTMENT INTO TWO, THEY IT WAY POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A HOUSING ISSUE HERE AND THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
SO I DON'T HAVE AN ACCURATE, I MEAN THAT'S, I MEAN, COULD WE DO A SURVEY? YES, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO A SURVEY.
UM, BUT UM, IF WE WANTED TO DO AN VALOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING THAT ON THE TAX BILL SO THAT WAY IT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER.
I'M JUST, LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT I JUST, IF THERE'S A WAY TO FIX THAT ISSUE, I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
'CAUSE IF IT'S NOT GETTING FIXED, IT'S FINE.
IF YOU HAD TO BALLPARK, IS THERE MORE THAN 20 UNITS THAT AREN'T BEING BILLED? 'CAUSE I JUST DID THE MATH AND IF WE CHARGE THE RESIDENTIAL RATE TO LESS THAN 20 FOR A YEAR'S WORTH, IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT WE, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T THINK SO.
I, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'VE BROKEN 'EM UP, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S MORE THAN 20.
SO, SO THAT, BUT THAT'S ONE ISSUE OF POSSIBLY RESOLVING SOME PART OF IT.
THIS TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION, SO THAT'S GOTTA JUST BE DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY BEHIND, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THIS TONIGHT.
WE KNEW ABOUT THAT WHEN THIS CAME UP OVER THE LAST YEAR AND NOBODY LIKE WAS PRESSED ABOUT IT AT THAT TIME.
LIKE THIS PART FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL RATES, THAT TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION.
WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL WE ADDRESS ANOTHER ISSUE.
SO, UH, NUMBER SIX IS THE ONE THAT, THAT HAS THE SMALLEST AMOUNT OF SUBSIDY REQUIRED, WHICH I GOTTA TELL YOU, I'M NOT A FAN OF TAKING ANY MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT HOW THESE ARE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND THE, YOU KNOW, THEIR USER FEES.
LIKE IF YOU'RE USING IT, THEN YOU PAY FOR IT.
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THEN YOU DON'T PAY FOR IT.UM, THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA SAY THOUGH IS, IS THAT IF YOU DO AWAY WITH THIS CLASS THREE OR WHATEVER, AND EVERYTHING GOES INTO LIKE $58 OR $175, THAT'S $175 A MONTH.
AND CYNTHIA JUST SAID THAT OTHER BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY MIGHT BE PAYING, UH, FIVE WHATEVER, FIVE 50.
IT'S LIKE FIVE 50 A MONTH FOR TWICE A WEEK PICKUP.
SO THIS CLASS TWO, IF WE WENT WITH OPTION SIX, CLASS TWO, SO THAT THEY'D BE GETTING THREE TIMES A WEEK PICKED UP FOR $175.
IS THAT A NORMAL COLLECTION? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COLLECTION, YES.
SO IT'D BE THREE TIMES A WEEK FOR $175 A MONTH.
THEY COULDN'T GET THAT PRIVATIZED.
THAT'S, I WAS NEVER BE IN FAVOR OF SUBSIDIZING A SERVICE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING BECAUSE GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED PROGRAMS WERE CREATED TO SOLVE A SHORT TERM PROBLEM.
BUT ONCE YOU SUBSIDIZE SOMETHING, YOU'RE NEVER COMING OFF OF THAT SUBSIDY.
YOU'RE NEVER GONNA WEAN IT BACK.
THAT'S BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GONNA, NEXT COUNCIL'S GONNA FACE THIS PROBLEM.
WOULD THERE BE ENOUGH CLEANUP TO NOT HAVE TO DO A SUB? I AGREE.
IF IT'S UNDER 20, THERE IS NOT.
YEAH, I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT I CAME AND SPOKE TO COUNSEL EIGHT YEARS AGO, OPPOSING, SUBSIDIZING THE CREDIT CARD, READING FEES AT THE TOWN, EVEN THOUGH I PAY, THE THING MAKES ME MAD.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY THE WRONG, I WAS GONNA SAY EVERY TIME, BUT MY GRANDMOTHER WHO USES CASH OR CHECKS DOESN'T DESERVE TO PAY FOR A SERVICE.
SUBSIDIZING IS NEVER THE SOLUTION.
I COMPLAINED ABOUT IT TOO, SO I AGREE.
UM, SO BACK TO, UNLESS THE SHORT TERM YEAH.
OPTION OPTION SIX, WHICH OPTION SIX, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT REQUIRES THE LEAST AMOUNT OF, AND, AND I'M SURE THESE ARE ESTIMATES, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS LIKE, BUT IS THAT FAIR? I MEAN, WE, WE HEARD, WE'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE THAT IT ISN'T FAIR AND I DON'T, AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE, IT IS IT THAT IT WASN'T FAIR TO BE GETTING CHARGED THIS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE GETTING CHARGED THAT AND SOME OF THE MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE IN THE TIER SYSTEM AND, AND HOW PEOPLE WERE PLACED THAT IT WASN'T FAIR.
AND I, AND I'M A VERY FAIR MINDED PERSON, SO I, THAT I EMPATHIZE WITH.
THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK ABOUT THAT THOUGH IS, IS THAT, BUT IS IT FAIR TO OTHER BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE GONNA PAY MORE THAN $175 A MONTH TO GET THEIR SOLID WASTE REMOVED THREE TIMES A WEEK? YES.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THOUGH, THAT THESE OTHER BUSINESSES WE KEEP TALKING TO HAVE EXCLUSIVE USE OF THEIR DUMPSTERS.
IF I HAVE A MEXICAN RESTAURANT OVER THERE AND I HAVE A DUMPSTER OUT BACK, THE ODDS ARE I'M THE ONLY ONE PUTTING ANYTHING INTO IT.
THESE DUMPSTERS LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN AREA, EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO 'EM.
AND I THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM BUSINESS OWNERS THAT PEOPLE PULL UP LITERALLY AND TAKE STUFF OUTTA THEIR CAR AND PUT IT IN THEIR, I I GUESS A CONVENIENCE.
EVEN THOUGH THEY COULD DRIVE TWO MILES OUT HERE AND THROW IT AWAY.
WALK THROUGH MY CAR WITH THE GAS STATION TRASH CAN.
AND SO THAT MIGHT, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY WAY TO PREVENT THAT? IS THERE ANY WAY TO, YOU KNOW, UM, SO I, I'VE DONE MORE THAN JUST TEACH IN MY LIFETIME AS A WAITRESS AT ONE POINT, AND I WORKED, JUST EVEN ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, I WORKED, UH, IN, UH, FOR WEIGHT WATCHERS AND IN WINCHESTER WE WERE IN A STRIP MALL KIND OF THING.
AND EVERY DAY AT THE END OF OUR MEETING, WE HAD TO TAKE OUR TRASH DOWN AND I HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER END OF THE STRIP MALL.
AND WE HAD A KEY AND NOBODY COULD USE IT.
AND, AND THERE WERE TIMES WHERE WE COULDN'T FIND THE KEY.
AND SO WE HAD TO TAKE THE TRASH HOME WITH US.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, AND YOU WOULD GO BACK THERE SOMETIMES AND PEOPLE HAD THROWN A TRASH BAG BACK THERE.
AND I KNOW THAT WAS AN ISSUE, BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, IS THERE A WAY, IS THERE A WAY THAT THAT, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO SECURE THOSE TRASH CANS, ESPECIALLY TOWARDS THESE CLASS THREE BUSINESSES SO THAT THEY CAN FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S THEIR TRASH AND
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NOT JUST, NOW I KNOW AT FESTIVALS AND MAINSTREAM EVENTS, MAIN STREET EVENTS, LIKE I GET THAT, THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TRASH THEN AT THAT TIME.UM, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE EVERY WEEKEND.
AND WE, WELL THE TOWN TAKES A HUGE HIT ON THOSE FESTIVALS.
WE CONTRIBUTE FINANCIALLY IN KIND RIGHT.
GREATLY WITH OUR STAFF AND STUFF.
BUT I, SO I'M ASKING THAT OUT LOUD.
ERIC AND BOBBY, IS THERE ANY TWO PAINT STREET USED TO HAVE CAMERAS? 'CAUSE WE HAD PROBLEMS, PEOPLE GOING FROM PAINT.
AND ACTUALLY WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO CHARLES, BUT MOST OF THE TIME WE HAD LEGAL DUMPING ISSUES.
THEY WOULD PULL, THROW IT OVER, UM, THEY WOULD GET OUT, YOU KNOW, AND GO INSIDE.
THEY WOULD JUST TOSS IT OVER THE TOP OF THE FENCE AND THE PAINT WOULD BE BUSTED.
OR A LOT OF TIMES IT WAS STUFF THAT THEY WASN'T SUPPOSED TO GET RID OF SO THEY WOULD DUMP IT THERE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TRASH BUT DON'T MUCH, A LOT OF LIKE PAINT AND STUFF.
NOT A LOT OF PAINT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FEEL LIKE IT HAD BEEN IN THE PAST OKAY.
SO, SO ARE WE SAYING THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OR IS IT IT A POSSIBILITY TO USED TO CONTACT, TO DETER THAT WE USED PD AND IF WE THOUGHT SOMEBODY WAS LEGALLY DUMPING A FEW YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD TRY TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE NO MORE THAN LOOKING AT CAMERAS TO SEE WHAT THE PERSON LOOKED LIKE.
WE, WELL, WE TRY, I DIDN'T MEAN IT THAT WAY.
TAG NUMBER IF YOU CAN SEE A CAR.
BUT A LOT OF IT USUALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE THE CAMERA IS.
USUALLY COULD TELL A LOT WOULD BE EARLY IN THE MORNING, TWO OR THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, SOMEBODY WOULD PULL UP, GET OUT.
LEAST A LOT OF TIME IT WAS PAIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THEY WAS TRYING TO GET RID OF THAT THEY, EVERYBODY HAS NO PLACE ELSE TO DUMP.
SO I'M HEARING THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE A SOLUTION.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? I'M, I'M TRYING.
I MEAN YOU COULD PUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOLKS MAY PUT SOME CAMERAS BACK ONE ON DETER IT.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING ASK.
WE CAN'T LIFT IT WITH THE TRUCK 'CAUSE THE DUMPSTER WILL HIT IT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IF THEY CAN THROW IT ON THE ROOF TOO, YOU HAVE TO GET HER AND GET IT OFF.
UM, BUT THAT BECOMES A STAFF ISSUE THEN.
YOU'RE UM, I WAS JUST, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
SO DO WE FEEL AT THIS POINT WE'VE GONE TO EACH OF THESE BUILDINGS AND FARED IT OUT ALL THE POTENTIAL USERS? I'M SEEING SOMEBODY SHAKE THEIR HEAD IN THE BACK, BUT NO.
I MEAN, WOULDN'T THAT BE OUR FIRST LOGICAL STEP IS MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE USERS AND THEY'RE BEING BUILT.
MY PROBLEM IS HE'S CHECKING US HEAD SAYING NO, WE HAVEN'T GONE TO EVERY BUSINESS.
AND BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE GO TO THE, WE GO TO THE, THE PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE EIGHT APARTMENTS, WE HAVE THREE ELECTRIC METERS.
WHO WAS BILLING? I BILL THE OWNER OR BILLING.
SO AT THAT POINT YOU'RE KIND OF GOING BACK TO PUTTING AS A TAX AND PUTTING IT ON THE REAL ESTATE.
'CAUSE UM, NOT ALL THE UTILITY ACCOUNTS MAY BE IN AND THEIR, SOME BUILDINGS WHERE OWNER DOESN'T HAVE A UTILITY ACCOUNT IN THEIR NAME.
SO DO I CREATE A SEPARATE, A UTILITY ACCOUNT? I CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, BUT I HAVE NO RECOURSE ON COLLECTION ON THAT.
WELL, AND, AND ANOTHER THING MIGHT BE TO LOOK AT, IF THERE'S 10 MAILBOXES IN THE HALLWAY, THEN THERE'S PROBABLY 10 RESIDENTS OR BUSINESS INSTEAD.
RIGHT? OF COURSE THEY CAN GET A PO BOX AND NOT HAVE IT.
IT COULD BE A MAILBOX THAT'S NOT BEING USED ANY LONGER.
MAYBE THEY'VE COMBINED THE, MAYBE THEY'VE SPLIT IT, MAYBE THEY'VE COMBINED IT.
BUT WE, I MEAN, COULD YOU DO A SURVEY? YES.
UM, UH, AS, UH, COUNCILWOMAN MORRISON HAD SAID THE UH, UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT IT WAS IT'S OKAY.
BUT, UM, UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S, UH, A LARGE NUMBER OF, UH, RESIDENTIALS THAT WE'RE MISSING.
WHAT I COME BACK TO, AND WE JUST ADDRESS THIS WITH COUNCILMAN INGRAM'S QUESTION IS WE AS A COUNCIL ALREADY VOTED AND TOOK ACTION ON THE RATE.
SO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS WHILE THE TOWN STAFF IS SIMULTANEOUSLY ADDRESSING THE OTHER, WE CAN'T JUST PUT IT ON HOLD AND SIT HERE AND DO NOTHING WHILE THEY FIGURE OUT THE OTHER ASPECTS TO IT.
LIKE WE, WE WERE ALL COMPLICIT IN THIS.
WE CAN'T JUST SIT HERE AND NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THE CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THEN TOO.
IF YOU GUYS GO BACK AND WATCH THE MEETINGS, WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS NO WAY TO ACCURATELY TELL HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS WERE IN THOSE BUILDINGS.
AND WE SAID, CAN WE WORK ON THAT? AND WE'RE ASKING THEM TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT, BUT WE CAN'T JUST SIT IDLE WHILE THEY WORK ON THAT.
AM I MISSING SOMETHING? IS THERE, IS THERE ANY KIND OF AN ESTIMATE ON HOW MANY BUILDINGS THAT WOULD HAVE THIS SITUATION? LIKE YOU SAID, WITH LIKE THREE METERS, BUT EIGHT APARTMENT? IS THERE, I MEAN, LIKE, THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IS, IS THERE A WAY FOR THOSE BUILDINGS TO WHERE THE LANDLORD HAS A UTILITY BILL AND THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO,
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TO, TO, UH, GET THAT BACK IN THEIR RENT? OR IT, I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING LIKE 10 OF 'EM? LIKE THREE OF 'EM? BECAUSE I MEAN, I'M NOT ABOUT TAX, LIKE ADDING AN EXTRA TAX OR A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL OF SOMETHING.BUT IF WE'RE, BUT IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT A FEW BUILDINGS, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I'M, I'M JUST, NO, I DON'T KNOW.
AND I WOULD ALSO IMAGINE THAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF TOWN TOO, RIGHT? LIKE AREN'T THERE BUILDINGS? MAYBE I'M THINKING IN CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN WHERE THERE'S LIKE, THEY TOOK AN OLD HOUSE AND THEY TURNED IT INTO APARTMENTS.
WE CAN MONITOR THEN BY THE CONTAINERS.
SO IF WE, IF WE HAVE ONE CONTAINER THERE AND IT'S FOUR APARTMENTS, I MEAN, WE'RE STILL PICKING UP THE SAME AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, GARBAGE.
BUT I'M ASKING THOUGH, LET'S JUST SAY AN OLDER HOME DOWN IN THE HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN AND SOMEBODY TOOK THAT HOME AND TURNED IT INTO FOUR APARTMENTS, RIGHT? EACH OF THOSE APARTMENTS HAVE THEIR OWN ELECTRIC ACCOUNT NORMALLY.
THAT I WAS JUST SAYING LIKE, IF, IF IT WASN'T THAT WAY, IS THERE JUST ONE, UH, SOLID WASTE ACCOUNT? IF IF THEY WERE, IF EVERYBODY, IF THEY WERE HEATING THE WHOLE THING OR YOU KNOW, WATERED THE WHOLE THING, THEN YES, IN SOME INSTANCES THERE'S A, THERE ARE ACCOUNTS WHERE THE LANDLORD HAS, UH, UTILITIES IN THEIR NAME AND WE'RE BILLING 14 CONTAINERS TO THE LANDLORD.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY MOVED DOWN THERE AND THERE, THE IMPACT OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE CASES WHERE THEY HAD LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A 1500% INCREASE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT JUST CAN'T, THEY CAN'T REACT TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WHATEVER IS DECIDED TONIGHT IS, YOU KNOW, I WANT, I WANT EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT THAT, UH, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES WON, MAY NOT EXIST OR THEY'LL LEAVE.
WELL, NONE OF THE RESTAURANTS WENT FROM $26 TO 425, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR.
RESTAURANTS WENT FROM $26 TO 420.
WELL, APPARENTLY I JUST HEARD A ZERO.
UM, WITHOUT SO PRIVATIZE IT AND, AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M WITH, UH, THE, THE TOWN MANAGER HERE IS ULTIMATELY WE PROBABLY WANT TO GET OUTTA THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT.
BUT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT RIGHT AWAY.
BUT ALLUDING TO YOUR COMMENTS, MAYOR, ON, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE TO SPEND THE PUBLIC MONEY, UH, ON THINGS, UH, LIKE THIS.
BUT THE, IF, IF YOU WERE, WERE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE IT, I, I WOULD CHOOSE NUMBER SIX.
BUT, UM, I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THE OTHER CONSIDERATION OF HAVING MAYBE THE LARGEST GENERATORS OPTIONS TO GO OUT AND, YOU KNOW, TEST THE MARKET FOR THEMSELVES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THAT WOULD OPEN US UP TO RE RECALCULATING THE RATES ON, UH, FOR THIS SMALLER BUSINESS.
AND I WILL SAY THIS WHEN, BECAUSE I, I ASKED THAT QUESTION TOO.
THE DOWN THE, THE, THE SIDE EFFECT OF THAT IS, I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT WOULD INVOLVE, UM, HAVING TO GIVE THEM A SPOT, WHICH AGAIN, I'M NOT, THAT'S ALL GOOD, BUT YOU LOSE SOME PARKING.
SO THAT'S MY ONLY THING IS, IS THAT
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THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE GIVE AND TAKE IS YOU GIVE UP A COUPLE PARKING PLACES OR FOUR OR SIX OR EIGHT PARKING PLACES, UM, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.BECAUSE I HONESTLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME, IF THEY WERE TO GO AND HIRE THEIR OWN TO CONTRACT IT, THEY'RE GONNA PAY MORE THAN THAN THE 4 25.
I GUESS IT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT WOULD BE WHEN I CALLED HER MOM THEN JUNE.
THEY DO NEGOTIATE, RIGHT? SURE.
THEY NEGOTI NEGOTIATE AND IT WOULD BE THEIR OWN AND NOBODY ELSE COULD PUT THEIR TRASH IN THERE.
LIKE I, I SEE THE TOTAL BENEFITS TO THAT.
AND WHEN YOU SAY TOO ABOUT A BUSINESS MODEL I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT LIKE FOR ME, AND NO, LET ME, DJ KNOWS I DON'T USE OUR TRASH.
WE TAKE OUR TRASH, THE COMMUNITY SITE 'CAUSE WE HAVE A BEAR ISSUE.
BUT IF YOU DO USE MORE THAN YOUR TRASH CAN, IF YOU PILE IT UP AND IT GOES OVER, YOU GET IN TROUBLE FOR THAT STUFF.
RIGHT? I MEAN, AND I THINK THEY CAN EVEN CHARGE YOU EXTRA FOR IT.
SORRY, Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, IS THAT IF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL WAS BASED ON THAT, ARE YOU PUTTING OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY AT A DISADVANTAGE? BECAUSE THEIR BUSINESS MODEL HAD TO INCLUDE 550 A MONTH FOR THREE TRASH PICKUPS.
DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? I I THIS HAS, THIS HAS BEEN A CONVENIENT, THIS HAS BEEN A COMPLICATED ISSUE FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO DO YOU THINK THE RESTAURANTS THAT RELOCATED TO MAIN STREET WEREN'T PAYING FOR TRASH SERVICE AT THEIR FORMER LOCATION? THEY WERE, BUT THEY, BUT UH, SO THEY GOT A GOOD DEAL.
THEY WEREN'T PAYING WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE QUOTING RIGHT NOW.
AND UH, AND THE TALK ABOUT THIS IS A WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE, BUT WE, WE DO NEED ADDITIONAL SURFACE PARKING.
UH, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ISSUE.
WE DEFINITELY WON'T SOLVE IT TONIGHT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT QUESTIONS.
DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WE'D HAVE TO GIVE UP? 'CAUSE I AM ALL, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ALL FOR GETTING OUT OF THE TRASH BUSINESS.
I SUPPORTED YOU GUYS WHEN YOU DID IT WHEN YOU WERE THE TOWN MANAGER BEFORE.
I WOULD HOW MANY? I WOULD SAY ROUGHLY TWO PER ENCLOSURE.
I WANT ONE WOULD MAKE IT AWFUL TIGHT.
AND THE ONLY CON TO THAT, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROS TO IT, AND I AM IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD WHEN I CAME ON COUNCIL WAS A PRIVATIZED BUSINESS WHO WAS NOT TAKING CARE OF THEIR OWN.
SO THE TOWN STEPPED IN AND DID IT AS A CONVENIENCE FOR A HEALTH AND SAFETY HAZARD TO KEEP OUR TOWN CLEAN AND NOT WASHINGTON C OR SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.
BUT, UM, I'M ALL FOR LOSING PARKING SPACES TO DO THAT.
UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME PRETTY NASTY BUILDINGS THAT COULD BE BULLDOZED TO MAKE A PARKING GARAGE.
I'VE BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT THAT.
ALSO, I'VE LIVED HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE, BORN AND RAISED MANY, MANY GENERATIONS.
SOMETIMES DO I HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN MAIN STREET, LOOP AROUND AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE? SURE.
HAVE I EVER NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET WHERE I'M GOING? BECAUSE PARKING IS A LITTLE BIT CON CONVOLUTED.
BUT I KNOW OBESITY AND HEALTH AND WELLNESS ARE NOT A PRIORITY IN 2024.
THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU CAN GET TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
YOU JUST HAVE TO WALK A LITTLE FURTHER.
YOU CAN'T PARK RIGHT OUT FRONT, WHICH IS VERY INCONVENIENT FOR SOME.
BUT THERE'S HANDICAPPED FOR THE ONES WHO NEED IT.
AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THOSE LOCATIONS, IF THIS IS WHAT YOU ALL THE ROUTE YOU Y'ALL WANTED TO GO, I WOULD ASSUME THOSE LOCATIONS WOULD BE BY THAT BUSINESS.
SO IT WOULD BE PARKING SPACES BY THAT BUSINESS.
THAT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD NEED WOULDN'T BE A LEASE, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOME TYPE OF LICENSE AGREEMENT TO OCCUPY TOWN PROPERTY FOR THAT PURPOSE.
SO, BUT, BUT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE NEAR THEIR BUSINESS.
RIGHT? LIKE I'M NOT SAYING WE WOULDN'T LIKE PICK SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA AFFECT SOME OTHER BUSINESSES.
LOGISTICALLY WE WOULD TRY TO LOCATE THE STREET.
SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE OF WHAT PARKING MAYBE AROUND BEFORE ALL OF THE DUMPSTERS SET ON TOWN PROPERTY AS IT IS NOW, UM, MAJORITY OF THEM, I DO BELIEVE WE MAY HAVE ONE OR TWO OWNED PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
COUNSEL, WE NEED TO GIVE TOWN STAFF A DIRECTION AT THIS POINT.
WHAT COUNCIL MOORE SAID, I MEAN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WEED IT IF WE CAN.
IT'S BEEN AN HOUR AND 40 MINUTES DIRECTION.
I DON'T CALL ME WHAT YOU WANT.
I'VE BEEN CALL, BUT I THINK JOE'S GOT A GOOD, GOOD TAKE ON IT.
UM, I THINK IF WE COULD JUST WEAN AWAY FROM THAT ALTOGETHER, SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, PART LEGACIES WE HAVE AND I I I, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA TOO, JUST NOT TAKING ANY MORE, UH, COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS.
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I REALLY NEED IT.BUT I THINK THOUGH WE'D HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO GO WITH ONE OR THE OTHER.
BUT IF WE GO WITH THE COMPACTOR SITUATION, IF THAT HELPS ALLEVIATE IMMEDIATELY, BECAUSE I, I, I DON'T AGREE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS, THIS IS UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO IMMEDIATELY ALLEVIATE THE ACCOUNTS THAT ARE ACCOUNTED FOR, BUT WE DO NEED TO LOOK INTO IT.
WE DO NEED TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING SOMEHOW, SOME WAY, UH, TO RECOVER THAT, YOU KNOW.
BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT IN FAVOR AGAIN OF, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE SUBSIDY OF, 'CAUSE WE'VE SUB WE, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY BEEN SUBSIDIZING IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS ANYWAYS.
I MEAN, $26 TO DUMP, YOU KNOW, $400 WORTH OF TRASH.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 400 SOME DOLLARS FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE TOWN'S MISTAKE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A BULLET THAT WE GOT A HUMBLY BITE.
SO YEAH, IT IS A TOUGH GOAL TO SWALLOW PAYING 26 BUCKS A MONTH.
BUT SO WHAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT COUNCIL RAPPAPORT SAID, SEE I GOT THAT NAME RIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS MOVING DOWN, YOU, IF, IF THEY'RE GETTING STRETCHED FROM ME, OF COURSE I'M GONNA BE LIKE, WELL, OKAY, I WAS PAYING $500 A MONTH FOR A DUMPSTER, NOW I'M PAYING 26 BUCKS A MONTH.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE USING THAT AS AN EXCUSE TO GET DOWN THERE, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN SHOULD, YOU KNOW, WE, AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN SUBSIDIZING IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
SO MY TAKE IS WHAT WE CAN DO TO CUT, CUT IT OUT, YOU KNOW, AND IF IT, IF IT BENEFITS THE, BECAUSE MAYBE THE BUSINESSES CAN PARTNER WITH ONE ANOTHER AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN GET A DEAL, YOU KNOW, WITH DUMPSTER OR SOMETHING.
BUT I MEAN, BUT ALSO TOO, BUT WITH THE IMMEDIATE SOLUTION OF, OF THE COMPACTORS, I I SAY, I SAY LET'S, LET'S GO FOR IT BECAUSE WE CAN IMMEDIATE, WE CAN WELL IMMEDIATE.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA MITIGATE PEOPLE ILLEGAL DUMPING COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT YOU CAN, IT'S GONNA DO IT ON ALLEYS LIKE THEY DO IN THE TOWN.
AND THERE ARE ALWAYS GONNA BE BAD APPLES.
YOU'RE GONNA GO CLEAR EVERYTHING ON THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MITIGATE IT TO AN EXTENT.
SO, BUT IF WE DID GO THAT ROUTE, THEN IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, THIS IS YOUR SITUATION.
IT CAN'T BE A, IT CAN'T BE A, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA LET YOU HAVE, WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE YOU DO YOUR OWN PRIVATIZE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GET YOUR OWN A SOLID WASTE SITUATION TAKEN CARE OF.
AND THEN SOMEBODY COME BACK AND SAY, NO, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER FOR US TO DO IT FOR 4 25 A MONTH.
WE'VE GOTTA, IT'S GOTTA BE ONE OR THE OTHER.
OR WE CAN'T, I MEAN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY? LIKE, WE DON'T WANNA BE LIKE THIS MONTH WE ARE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR OWN AND NEXT MONTH WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.
IT'S GONNA BE A, YOUR, YOUR CUSTOMER OF OUR SOLID WASTE OR NOT SOLID WASTE ENTIRELY.
WE BE IMPLEMENTED ALL AT ONE TIME.
I MEAN THE, THE, THE COST OR IS IT GONNA BE DONE OVER THE COST HAS ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED, RIGHT? NOT, NOT THE WHOLE THING THOUGH, RIGHT? IT IS WHERE WE SIT CURRENTLY WHEN WE, UM, PASS THE ORDINANCE FOR THOSE RIGHT CLASSES, I BELIEVE WAS IN SEPTEMBER.
SO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT STAFF'S LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS DO WE CONTINUE WITH THE CURRENT STRUCTURE WITH NO CLASS THREE, WHICH MEANS WILL YOU BE SUBSIDIZING OR WE WOULD HAVE 24,000 BUCKS APPROXIMATELY AND LOSS, OR DO WE REESTABLISH A CLASS THREE AT FOUR 20 OR DO WE PICK ANOTHER NUMBER? WHICH STAFF HAS A HARD TIME PICKING THAT NUMBER BECAUSE THESE NUMBERS ARE BUILT ON THE FOUR 20.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHAT STAFF NEEDS TO KNOW TONIGHT IS DO WE CONTINUE NOT CHARGING CLASS THREE OR, OR DO WE HAVE, AND NONE OF THIS WAS REFLECTIVE OF THE FEES THAT WERE DUMPED ON THE TOWN BY THE COUNTY FOR TIPPING SERVICES.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMIND THE PUBLIC, THIS COUNCIL AND ANYBODY THAT'S GONNA WRITE ABOUT OR READ ABOUT THIS MEETING, WE DID THIS BEFORE.
THAT HUGE BURDENSOME COST WAS DUMPED ON US.
SO WE'RE REALLY NOT FLATTENING IT.
AND SECONDLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S PICKING ON THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
I SPOKE TO A BUSINESS OWNER AND SEVERAL, A RESTAURANT, SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE OVER THE WEEKEND WHILE OUT AND ABOUT SHOPPING AND EATING ON MAIN STREET.
AND YES, IT'S HARD FOR A SMALL BUSINESS.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE HERE.
EVEN THE ONES THAT AREN'T GRATEFUL FOR ME, I SUPPORT THEM FINANCIALLY.
UM, BUT I WILL SAY THE ECONOMY IS HARD RIGHT NOW.
SO FEES HAVE INCREASED ACROSS THE BOARD.
I MEAN, WHEN I MOVED TO TOWN, MY RATE HAS GONE UP A LOT.
WELL, WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE A LOT FOR SOLID WASTE TO PICK UP.
'CAUSE I DON'T FILL MY BIN OR I DON'T TAKE IT OUT EVERY WEEK, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY THE WORLD WE'RE LIVING IN.
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BUT WHAT MY HOPE WOULD BE, AND WE'RE ALMOST LIKE, YOU KNOW, TWO HOURS IN ON IT IS IF WE'RE GONNA PRIVATIZE IT, WE MAKE THE SPACE FOR THE DUMPSTERS.WE GET OUT OF IT COMPLETELY FOREVER OR UNTIL ANOTHER COUNCIL GOES BACK AND DOES SOMETHING.
BUT, UM, 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN JUNE, THIS COUNCIL SITTING HERE, WE TALKED ABOUT CALLING AROUND AND GETTING THE RATES FOR PRIVATIZING IT AND SOME OF US DID.
SO, AND WE WERE LIKE, WE'RE OFFERING A CONVENIENCE AND ALSO THIS IS A NASTY JOB, SOLID WASTE SERVICE.
THOSE GUYS ARE DEDICATED AND LOYAL TO THE TOWN TOO.
LIKE, THEY'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
I'M, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THEM AND THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING SOME NASTY SITUATIONS AND THEY'RE DOING WORK THAT NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO.
AND SO, UM, THEY COULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOCUSING ON THE, UH, RECYCLING AND OTHER PROGRAMS IF THEY'RE NOT CLEANING UP THE DUMPED GREASE AND WASTE AND THINGS THAT I'VE, YOU KNOW, SEEN BEING AN ISSUE.
UH, JOE, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? WOULD, WOULD A HYBRID, A HYBRID SITUATION BE AN OPTION? UH, WHEN I SAY A HYBRID FOR, FOR THE CURRENT, IF WE, IF WE CHOSE TO DO AN OPTION SIX, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND SO THAT, THAT WOULD GIVE, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD GRANDFATHER THE, THE CURRENT FOLKS AND, AND, UH, OPTION SIX WITH, WITH THE GOAL OF ULTIMATELY ELIMINATING CLASS CLASS THREE COMMERCIAL OUT OF THE EQUATION.
AND SO IF, IF THE PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS, THEN YOU CAN ONLY APPLY YOU, YOU, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET COMMERCIAL SERVICE.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? YEAH, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOTTA RECOGNIZE IS THAT WE, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY DUMPSTER SYSTEM BACK HERE BEHIND MAIN STREET AND IT IS USED BY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
AND WHILE, WHILE IT MIGHT MAKE BUSINESS SENSE FOR SOMEBODY, UH, A LARGER BUSINESS TO GET THEIR OWN SERVICE, WE STILL HAVE TO SERVE THE OTHER MEMBERS ON MAIN STREET.
AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH ANYWAY, PARTICULARLY WITH ILLEGAL DUMPING.
THESE ARE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT.
I AM, UH, ONE OF THE IDEAS I HEARD TONIGHT, I THINK MAYBE A POTENTIALLY GOOD IDEA IS HOW COULD WE CONTROL ACCESS TO THOSE DUMPSTERS? YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT THERE MAY BE SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, THAT WE COULD HOPEFULLY FOR SALE ILLEGAL DUMPING OR, UM, UNNECESSARY DUMPING FROM OTHER RESIDENTS OR OTHER LOCATIONS.
BUT, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY THOUGH, THESE ARE COMMUNITY DUMPSTERS.
AND SO THAT IS WHY STAFF IS INCLINED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE PROBABLY WILL BE SOME SUBSIDIES HERE BECAUSE OF THE FACT IS WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DUTY TO KEEP THIS TOWN CLEAN AND THAT IS OUR, OUR GYM, OUR MAIN STREET, AND OUR TA COME AND UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD WHEN WE DID LOOK AT PRIVATIZATION FOR THE WHOLE TOWN IN SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES I TALKED TO AND WHAT THEY EXPERIENCED BY HAVING MULTIPLE TRASH TRUCKS RUN DOWN THE SAME ROAD AND, AND, AND FACE IT, UM, THEIR, THEIR TOWN WAS STARTING TO GET LITTERED BECAUSE IT WAS JUST, IT IT IS, IT'S BETTER TO BE MANAGED IN A GLOBAL ASPECT, BUT ON MAIN STREET IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO, SO SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID THAT I THINK IS VALUABLE THAT I'M HEARING THAT I DIDN'T HEAR BEFORE.
AND I, AND I'M ALWAYS WILLING TO SAY IF I'M NOT, IF I MADE A MISTAKE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING SO LIKE WE'RE GONNA SUBSIDIZE IT SOME IN SOME WAY.
I'M JUST SAYING, SO I'M LOOKING AT IT GOING, OKAY, SO IF WE WOULD BE SUBSIDIZING $7,220, THEN AT LEAST YOU COULD SAY WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING IS YOU THINK OF THAT IN TERMS OF, UM, FESTIVALS AND PEOPLE ARE DOWNTOWN, SHOPPING, EATING, YOU KNOW, JUST ENJOYING OUR, OUR DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND SO THAT'S ALMOST AN EXPENSE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, I WON'T CALL IT A TOURISM EXPENSE 'CAUSE WE HAVE LOCALS THAT USE IT TOO, BUT LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT ANGLE, THAT MAKES ME, THAT DOESN'T GIMME AS MUCH HEARTBURN.
'CAUSE I THINK OKAY, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, SO JUST HOPE THAT IT WILL REEL BACK AS THINGS ARE ADJUSTED APPROPRIATELY.
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'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE RATES, SEWER, WATER, TRASH, I'VE GONE UNTOUCHED, UNADDRESSED UNSTUDIED FOR A LONG TIME.SO WE'RE, WE HAVE BEEN CONSTANTLY PLAYING CATCH UP INFRASTRUCTURE, EVERYTHING.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, JOHN'S PROBABLY LIKE, HE'S LIKE IN, HE'S LIKE IN BED HAVING A SNACK.
I WAS GONNA SAY IF NUMBER SIX IS WHAT IT IS, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT? COULD YOU LIVE WITH THAT? I MEAN, I STILL THINK IT'S A GOOD DEAL FOR SOMEBODY $175 A MONTH TO HAVE TRASH SERVICE THREE TIMES A WEEK.
WELL, DO WE HAVE TO GIVE IT THREE? WE HAVE TO GIVE IT THREE AT 1 55? WELL, IF YOU DON'T, IT'S WHAT JOE WAS JUST SAYING.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DON'T THREE TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT I'M SAYING IF WE DON'T, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE TRASH.
I MEAN THEN IS THAT THE LOOK WE WANT? IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN THE COUNTY DECIDE TO DO THE TIPPING FEES, I SAID, WELL MAYBE WE JUST, THEN IF THE TOWN DOESN'T PROVIDE TRASH AT ALL, THEN THE COUNTY'S GOTTA PUT CONVENIENCE SITES ALL OVER TOWN AND IT'S GONNA COST SOME WAY MORE THAN THE MONEY THAT THEY WERE GONNA, YOU KNOW, CHARGE US.
BUT THEN THE DOWNSIDE OF THAT IS PEOPLE WOULDN'T DO IT.
YOU DON'T, YOUR TOWN'S TERRIBLE AND YOU KNOW, SO TIME BAGS THE TRASH HERE, WE, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE ALL THESE VOLUNTEERS PICKING UP TRASH ALL OVER TOWN RIGHT NOW BY PROVIDING CAMERAS AND SURVEILLANCE ACCESS CONTROL.
YOU'RE SUBSIDIZING IT IN A WAY, IN A WAY, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, IF, IF WE WERE TO DO TO, YOU KNOW, TO HELP TRY, YOU KNOW, TRY TO COMBAT SOME OF THE ILLEGAL DUMPING, IS THAT A, IS THAT A CHARGE, GEORGE? I'M SURE IT IS, BUT LITERALLY IS THAT LIKE SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY ILLEGALLY DUMPS THAT THERE'S A BOND TPA, ISN'T IT? I MEAN WE PROBABLY, WE'VE PROBABLY NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE, RIGHT? UM, I, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME NOW, OF COURSE WE DON'T BRING THE CHARGE.
THE COUNTY DOES, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT DOESN'T BRING THE CARDS.
BUT IT'S BEEN QUITE A LONG TIME BECAUSE I MEAN THAT'S CAN YOU HIRE SOMEBODY FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT? WAIT A COUPLE YEARS.
I, I JUST WAS THINKING THAT'S THE THING ABOUT THE CAMERAS, THE ONLY OTHER WAY TO DO IT IS PUT THEIR PICTURE OUT ON FACEBOOK, WHICH PEOPLE DO ALL THE TIME.
WHO DID THIS
THERE'S CAMERAS AND ACCESS CONTROL AND, AND UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT TECHNOLOGY'S EVER, EVER EVOLVING.
ONE POINT I WOULD MAKE AS WELL, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SUBSIDIZING THE LARGER BUSINESS DO GENERATE
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SUBSIDIZING SOMETHING, THEY ARE PAYING SOMETHING TO THE TOWN THAT THE GIFT SHOP OR THE LAWYER'S OFFICE OR THE INSURANCE OFFICE ISN'T DOING.
UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SUBSIDIZING, YES, BUT THEY ARE ALSO PRODUCING REVENUE STREAM THAT RIGHT.
OUR OTHER BUSINESSES ARE NOT NECESSARILY PRODUCING WELL NEIL TAX, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I SAY, THAT'S STUFF THAT'S SUPPOSED LODGING.
THE TAX IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING TOWARDS TORA, YOU KNOW, IN THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY PARTY.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE NO, I'M SAYING I, I I'M WITH YOU ACTUALLY.
I THINK THERE, THAT'S I THINK THE MAJORITY OPINION HERE TO SUBSIDIZE IT.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE PRIVATIZED, BUT WHATEVER, I'M THE MINORITY.
I THINK THAT, NO, I THINK THAT THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DON'T, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD BE WILLING TO SAY ANY CLASS COULD GO TO MAKE THEIR CHOICE TO BE ON OR OFF.
BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT THE WHOLE THING OF, UM, I, BECAUSE I THINK THEY WOULD RETURN THIS IS, I THINK HAS TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER? WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER? 'CAUSE I, I WOULD SUSPECT THE BUSINESSES WOULD JUST LIKE TO CONTRACT IT, KNOW WHAT THEY GOT AND BE DONE WITH THE WHOLE THING, BUT, AND KNOW THEIR TRASH, THEIR TRASH WELL AND RIGHT.
BUT WE'RE STILL, ACCORDING TO JOE, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE COMMUNITY DUMPSTERS FOR ALL THE APARTMENTS, THE RESIDENTS, THE SMALL BUSINESSES.
BUT, BUT I WILL SAY ONE THING, IF THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FOOD TRASH, THEN IT, I MEAN, WE'D STILL BE PICKING UP THE DUMPSTERS, BUT IT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE LESS, MAYBE ISN'T THREE TIMES A WEEK.
WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DID WHAT YOU WERE, WHAT WE SAID BEFORE IS THE, WE NEED TO BE PREPARED TO GIVE UP TWO PARKING PLACES PER BUSINESS.
AND HOW MANY ARE WE ESTIMATING? MIGHT TAKE US UP ON THAT.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT PROCESS, IT WILL HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION ON OPTION SIX.
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LIKE I SAID, RIGHT IN CLASS TWO IS 1 75, LIKE CLASS ONE.BECAUSE I, HERE, HERE'S THE THING.
I KNOW WE GOT BUSINESSES HERE ON MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT GENERATE REALLY NO MORE TRACTION.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR.
YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW LIKE THE, THE GIFT SHOP, YOU KNOW, THE CAR, THE COMIC BOOK SHOP, THE LITTLE THRIFT STORE IS JUST A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT A LITTLE BIKE SHOP.
SO THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GENERATING THAT MUCH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY, IF WE CALL THEM A CLASS ONE, SO BE, IF A CLASS TWO IS THE RESTAURANTS AND ANYTHING OF SUBSTANTIAL, LIKE SHULS OR WHATEVER, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT AS A, AS AN EXAMPLE OF A NUMBER.
BUT ANYWAYS, KNOWING THAT IF THEY WERE, IF THE CLASS TWO BUSINESS NOW WERE TO GO ELSEWHERE AND SEEK PRIVATIZATION, THAT THEY WOULD BE PAYING, YOU KNOW, $500 A MONTH, GIVE OR TAKE, OR $700 A MONTH DEPENDING ON WHAT WE, WE SAW HERE ON THE, ON THE SLIDES.
WHAT ABOUT JUST RAISING THE CLASS TWO RATE TO ELIMINATE THE SUBSIDY AMOUNT? WHAT WOULD THAT BE? I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS.
WAS THAT ONE OF THE OPTIONS OR MY MEMBERS BEING 80? I THINK IT TOOK ME UNTIL LIKE EIGHT.
I DON'T SEE IT, I DON'T SEE OPTION RIGHT HERE.
IT JUST SAYS ALL COMMERCIAL GO TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND 47 CENTS.
AND THAT, I WOULD'VE LIKED THAT, EXCEPT FOR, I THINK THAT THAT REALLY COVER ALLOWS US THE SMALL, THE SMALLEST OF YOUR BUSINESSES.
WELL, I'M JUST SAYING, BUT NO, NO, I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING FOR THE CLASS TWO, JUST RAISING THE CLASS TWO RATE UP TO COVER THAT SUB SUBSIDY.
NOT, NOT THE CLASS ONE BUSINESS.
I MEAN, NOW KEEP IN MIND THAT ITEM SIX, OPTION SIX SAYS CLASS ONE WOULD BE 58 MM-HMM.
UM, SO I'M JUST OFFERING THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR BACKLASH FOR THAT BECAUSE OKAY, INSTEAD OF 46, THERE'S GONNA BE 58 NOW.
AND THEY WERE 26, RIGHT? IT, SO THEY WERE, YEAH, BUT IT WAS, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN 120, WHICH SOME OF 'EM WERE WHEN THEY WERE MISS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY THING, AS I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE, BUT THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO, I MEAN, THERE'S NO, CAN SOMEBODY DO THE MATH? I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
AND I DON'T, I'M JUST LOOKING AT OPTION SIX.
LIKE LEAVE CLASS ONE AT 58 IS A SEVEN.
I'M, I'M JUST, I'M THINKING IN MY HEAD, ARE THE BUSINESSES THAT I KNOW OF, MATH IS, SO WE HAVE, IF YOU'RE SAYING INSTEAD OF 1 75 MAKING IT LIKE 200, ALL I'M SAYING IS, SO THAT'S, WELL, NO, YOU TAKE THE FIF, THERE'S 15 IN CLASS TWO.
SO YOU TAKE A, UM, SO YOU TAKE THAT 7 2, 2 0 AND DIVIDE IT BY 15.
AND THAT'S HOW MANY, HOW MUCH YOU WOULD ADD TO EACH PERSON'S.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS, WHAT I WAS GETTING THERE.
UNLESS YOU ALLOW THEM TO GET THEIR OWN DUMPSTER.
YOU WELL, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, LET'S JUST DO THE, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE MATH RIGHT HERE.
SO TAKE A 7 2, 2 0 DIVIDED BY 15.
OKAY? AND THEN YOU ADD THAT TO 1 75 AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET YOUR LAST TWO, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T BECAUSE $7,220.
OOPS, THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT.
THAT, THAT CAN'T BE, I THINK WE'RE DOING THAT BY 12 MONTHS.
WE CAN'T, WELL, NO, THAT WOULD BE ANSWER IS YOU CAN ELIMINATE NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THEN YOU DIVIDE IT BY 12 MONTHS AND IT'D BE $40 EXTRA MONTH.
THAT, THAT FINANCE WOULD BY 12.
THAT WOULD BE CLASS TWO AT TWO 15 THEN, AND THERE WOULD BE NO SUBSIDY.
SO YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT'S THE, YOU'RE SAYING I'M JUST, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT.
NO, NO, I'M SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING HAVE THE CLASS ONE BE $58 AND CLASS TWO WOULD BE $175.
SO EXACTLY WHAT THE CONSULTANT SAYS.
WELL, HE DIDN'T SAY IT UP THERE.
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT CLASS ONE, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS RIGHT NOW ANYWAY, AND AS MR. WAL SAID, WE, NONE OF THAT IS GONNA BE A, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN, WE CAN SAY THAT HERE TONIGHT.
OPTION SIX WOULD REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WOULD GO INTO LATE JANUARY.
UM, SO, BUT SO, SO IF WE LEAVE THINGS OUT, IF, IF PEOPLE WANTED TO LEAVE IT AS THEY, AS IT WAS UNTIL WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING IN JANUARY, WE'RE GOING UNDER EACH MONTH.
I MEAN, HE KIND OF ALREADY SAID THAT WE'RE 14 K AREA.
I MEAN, WE, WE PICKED OUR PRICES SO THAT WE COULD RECOVER FULL COVERAGE, THE CALL FULL COVERAGE.
SO ONCE WE CHANGED ALL THOSE RATES BACK TO ACCOMMODATE SOME,
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SOME FRUSTRATIONS WE'RE ALREADY IN THE RED FOR THAT.SO WE'D BE IN THE RED A LONGER MONTH ANYWAY, ANOTHER ONE.
SO WHAT BRUCE HAD, SO YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UH, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, THE CURRENT, ON THE CURRENT PLAN, IF YOU WILL, UH, WE, WE DO HAVE, UM, JOE, WE DO THE, UH, UH, MAIN STREET, UH, PROPRIETOR WOULD'VE AN OPTION TO COME IN TO APPEAL THIS CASE IF THE, IF HE THOUGHT IT WAS STILL
AND THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ERIC AND ROBBIE AS WELL AS ENGAGING BJ ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH 'EM.
UM, AND, AND A LOT OF 'EM, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CORRECT.
SOME, WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO COME TO TERMS ON, ON THE, ON WHAT THE CLASSIFICATION IS OR WHAT THAT COST.
THOSE FOLKS THAT WERE TOLD THEY WERE GONNA MOVE TO CLASS ONE, WHICH WAS $46.
UM, WAS THAT SET IN STONE? LIKE, I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, WOULD IT TOTALLY SURPRISE THEM IF WE CAME AROUND IN JANUARY AND SAID, NOW CLASS ONE'S GONNA BE 58, YOU WERE GONNA BE ADJUSTING, YOU GOT 44 AND CLASS ONE AND 15 IN CLASS TWO.
THEY, THEY'RE GONNA FILL THE PAIN.
AND WE HEARD IT DURING THE FIRST RATE INCREASE, SO WE'RE GONNA HEAR IT.
THIS IS THE JOB OF, I KNOW I'M GOING AROUND THE TABLE SO WE CAN MOVE ON.
WAYNE, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU, DO YOU, I MEAN, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO THROW OUT, WE'VE BEEN THROWING OUT SUGGESTIONS.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANNA DO? I GUESS OUR OPTIONS ARE ANY ONE OF THESE SIX, OR TO LEAVE IT AS IS AND OR TO RETURN BACK TO WHAT WE SAID, WHICH WAS TO HAVE THE CLASS THREE CLASSIFICATION THREE, UM, WHICH WAS A 4 25, OR, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT, UM, WHAT, SORRY, WAYNE, I DIDN'T MEAN TO NECESSARILY START WITH YOU, BUT I JUST WANNA IT'S OKAY.
I JUST, I, WE COULD, WE COULD TALK AND TALK AND TALK ALL NIGHT.
I, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON AT LEAST, DO WE WANNA LOOK AT SOMETHING DIFFERENT? DO WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD? STAFF WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BEFORE WE LEAVE HERE TONIGHT, WHAT IT IS WE WANNA DO SO THAT WE CAN, UM, ADDRESS PEOPLE'S CONCERNS AND SO THAT THEY KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.
BECAUSE AS SOMEBODY SAID HERE, WHAT'S TODAY, DECEMBER 2ND, IN 29 DAYS, WE WOULD'VE BEEN TALKED ABOUT THIS.
'CAUSE IT WAS JANUARY OF LAST YEAR.
NUMBER SIX, WITH THE PRICES AS THEY ARE, OR NUMBER SIX WITH WHAT JOSH SUGGESTED, WHICH IS THE CLASS TWO MOVING UP TO 215.
AND AGAIN, WE ACTUALLY, I JUST DID THE MATH, I MEAN, FOR 17, IT'D BE 2, 210 9 CENTS IF THAT WOULD BE, BUT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD DO THAT.
TWO TEN TWO WOULD BE, INSTEAD OF 1 75, 2 10.
ALL WAYNE, WAYNE, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE SUBSIDY.
SO WAYNE SAYS HE LIKES JOSH'S IDEA.
JOSH, I'M ASSUMING YOU LIKE YOUR OWN IDEA.
WELL, I DON'T REALLY LIKE IT, BUT I, WE'RE CHASING A CHICKEN AROUND HERE CHASING A MEALWORM.
SO IT'S JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS FOR, FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS, BUT I'M TRYING THINK SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE FAIR AND WE'RE GONNA, I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET KICKED BACK FROM IT FINANCIALLY, AND WE'RE GONNA GET KICKED BACK OF IT THROUGH COMPLAINTS.
UM, FINANCIALLY IT MAKES SENSE.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WRONG FOR YEARS AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIX IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO EASY WAY TO FIX THIS NO MATTER WHAT.
I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE, ALL THE INFORMATION I'VE SEEN, UH, I THINK IT'S THE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M THROWING OUT.
BUT AGAIN, THROWING OUT HERE IS AN OPTION, BUT I, AND SO THE FOLKS THAT WERE MOVED DOWN TO CLASS TWO, IT WAS ONE 20 A MONTH.
SO IF YOU'RE PROPOSING 210, THAT'S $90.
JOHN? UM, I, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.
I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND GOOD CONVERSATION, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING, UM, ABOUT SOME NOTION OF, OF SOME COMPROMISE TO BOTH CLASS THREE FOLKS WITHOUT KIND OF OVERBURDENING THE CLASS ONE AND TWO FOLKS, IT JUST STRUCK ME AS I WAS LISTENING THAT WE DIDN'T PUT AN OPTION SEVEN, BUT YOU COULD BRING BACK A CLASS THREE RATE AND REDUCE IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE 4 25 IS PROBLEMATIC, I, I GUESS I'M JUST, I'M JUST OFFERING THAT, UM, NOT TO NECESSARILY BE STUCK IN THE BOX ONLY OF THE SIX OPTIONS.
IT STRIKES ME THAT IF THERE'S A NOTION OF, UM, OF, OF FINDING SOME COMPROMISE, MAYBE RETAIN THE CLASS THREE,
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BUT REDUCE THE CLASS THREE RATES SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO INCREASE THE CLASS ONE AND TWO RATES AS MUCH, FOR EXAMPLE.SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT THAT POSSIBILITY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'M OUT OF LINE OR NOT, BUT I'M NO, HEY, JOHN, SO JOHN, SINCE YOU'RE THE CONSULTANT, COULD YOU GIVE US AN IDEA? I MEAN, NOT, NOT MAYBE ON THE SPOT, BUT COULD YOU, DO YOU, WOULD YOU NEED A LITTLE TIME TO THINK ABOUT, LIKE, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE A REASONABLE RATE FOR THE CLASS THREE SO THAT WE'RE NOT YES, SO I, I, I, I WILL, I, I WILL STATE BECAUSE I, I THINK IT'S OUR ROLE AS YOUR INDEPENDENT ADVISOR THAT I WILL STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT I THINK THE, THE RATES WITH THE THREE CLASSES THAT HAVE BEEN ADVANCED, I THINK THAT REPRESENTS PROBABLY THE BEST WE CAN BALANCE THE SERVICE LEVELS AND THE PRICING AND THE FAIRNESS AND, AND THE REVENUE RECOVERY.
BUT I THINK IF, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE LEARNED SOME THINGS, RIGHT? I'VE LEARNED SOME, SOME THINGS LISTENING TO THIS ABOUT POSSIBLE, UM, YOU KNOW, DECISIONS THAT BUSINESSES HAVE MADE TO RELOCATE DOWNTOWN.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHY THESE CONVERSATIONS, YOU ALWAYS LEARN SOMETHING IF YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION.
I THINK THIS HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL.
AND SO I'M HEARING, YOU KNOW, THIS NOTION OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE IS SOME COMPROMISE.
I, I, I THINK WE COULD DO THAT.
I, I THINK THE MORE WE REDUCE CLASSES AND THE MORE WE SHIFT AWAY FROM THE CURRENT ACCEPTED RATES, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE, KIND OF THE HARDER IT IS TO SWALLOW, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, THE, THE SECOND TIME EFFECTIVE RATE PAYERS.
BUT I THINK IF COMPROMISE IF, IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, CYNTHIA, I DO FEEL LIKE WE COULD LOOK AT BACKING OFF THE CLASS THREE RATE A LITTLE BIT, WHICH IS GOING TO REDUCE HOW WE, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU MIGHT INCREASE CLASS ONE AND TWO.
UM, AND, AND I GUESS, I GUESS TO BE HONEST, WE WOULD NEED TO THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT AND WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD THE BASIS BE FOR DOING THAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT AS I STAND HERE TODAY TALKING BEFORE YOU, IF I ADD, KEEP YOUR 58, WELL, LOOKING AT NUMBER SIX, KEEPING 58 AND 1 75, BUT THEN A THREE 70 FOR THAT CLASS THREE, YOU'RE, UM, ONLY SUBSIDIZING ABOUT 2,500 FOR THE YEAR.
BUT THAT MEANS YOU'RE RAISING THE LOWER TWO, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU'RE CLOSING THE GAP BETWEEN THEM.
SO WE CAN TRY ANY NUMBER OF SCENARIOS.
YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL TOO.
UM, SO WE WERE LOOKING AT JUST, UM, FOR NUMBER SIX, UPPING THE CLASS TWO.
BUT IF WE SPREAD OUT, UM, IF CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO EACH PAID $10 MORE, $10 19 CENTS MORE, THEN THE SUBSIDY WOULD BE ELIMINATED.
IT WOULD BE A CLASS ONE AT 68, AND IT WOULD BE A CLASS TWO AT 180 5 OR 180 6.
AND THE, AND THE REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TO ME, A LITTLE MORE EQUITABLE AND THEN STILL GET RID OF CLASS THREE WITHIN.
THE ONLY PROBLEM I SEE WITH THAT IS, IS THAT WHAT WE APPROVED WAS THAT THE CLASS ONE WAS $46.
AND SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THAT $68.
SO SOMEWHERE IN THE SHUFFLE, THE CLASS ONE BUSINESSES ARE GONNA PAY AN EXTRA 20 BUCKS SO THAT THE CLASS THREE PEOPLE COULD PAY LESS.
I, I'M JUST, THAT FEELS A LITTLE, THAT FEELS A LITTLE LIKE
ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMEBODY BROUGHT IN LIKE ONE, LITERALLY ONE TRASH CAN FULL FOR THE WEEK WAS ALL ONE OF THE BUSINESSES CAME IN.
SO, UM, I DIDN'T MEAN TO POO YOUR IDEA.
I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, IF I WAS THE CLASS ONE BUSINESS, I'M JUST TAKE, I'D LIKE, WAIT A SECOND, I GOTTA MORE, THERE'S WAY MORE CLASS ONES THAN CLASS THREES, GUYS.
I THINK WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE WRONG THING HERE.
YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT JUST LEAVE THE CLASS QUESTION OFF.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT LIKE THE CONSULTANT GAVE YOU THE OPTION FOR IT, RIGHT? LIKE, THIS HAS BEEN A LOT OF TRASH TALK.
SO WHAT ARE WE, SO WHERE, WHERE DO WE WANNA, ARE YOU, YOU SAID YOUR IDEA, DID YOU CHANGE ANYTHING? I OH, GUYS, AFTER NINE, IT'S OUR FIRST ITEM.
AND I, AND I'M NOT PRESSURING PEOPLE.
I'M JUST SAYING WE, YOU'VE GOTTA BE DECISIVE.
WE'VE GOTTA US ALL ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT.
LIKE, WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANNA DO HERE? I'M STILL STICKING WITH MY STATEMENT 'CAUSE I, I DON'T FEEL RAISING CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO IS FAIR, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE DROPPING CLASS, I MEAN, I, THAT'S, I I STILL NUMBER SIX, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SIX.
WITH MY IDEA OF RAISING CLASS WITH TWO 10, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BEST THAT I SEEN.
210 AND THE CLASS ONE PEOPLE ARE GOING UP $12.
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NOT LOWERING ONE.WELL NOW THEY WERE, WELL THAT'S ELIMINATING THE, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
WE HEARD FROM JOSH, YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF SIX.
WE CAN, WE JUST NEED TO MOVE ON AT THAT'S POINT.
HOW MANY PEOPLE IS IT THAT THAT IS TRUE THOUGH WHAT YOU JUST SAID THOUGH.
THE OTHER THING IS TO KEEP THE CLASS ONE AT 46 6 AND THE CLASS.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING BY INCREASING THE CLASS TOO.
LIKE WHY ARE WE JUST RAISING ONE? WELL THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
YOU KNOW, IF WE DID WELL, I STILL THINK THERE'RE, I GET IT.
NO, I THINK THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT AREN'T ANSWERED.
SORRY MS. WA MY RECOMMENDATION ONLY MY RECOMMENDATION IS LEAVE THE CLASS IN CLASS ONE AND CLASS TWO AS IT, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO REESTABLISH A CLASS THREE AND PUT IT AT A LOWER RATE.
THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO STAND ON RIGHT NOW IS THE TRUE COST IS 4 25.
SO AT WHAT COST DO YOU WANNA RECOVER? BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE BY, BY ADJUSTING CLASS ONE AND TWO, WE'D HAVE TO, I WOULD FEEL MORE CONFIDENT GOING BACK AND HAVING THE CONSULTANT RUN THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN BECAUSE THESE ARE BASED ON COST RECOVERY.
AND I, I, SO I, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES, I, I THINK WE OUGHT TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF CLASS ONE AND TWO, UM, GOING UP, I THINK IS HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
IT'S HARD TO REEL IT BACK IN ONCE YOU START OR LIKE TAKE SOMETHING BACK ONCE YOU GIVE IT WITH SUBSIDIZING.
SO YOUR SUGGESTION IS LEAVE CLASS ONE AT 46, CLASS TWO AT 120, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE CONSULTANT COME BACK TO US AND GIVE US A, A PRICE FOR CLASS THREE.
AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE'LL APPROACH THE BUSINESSES THAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE TIER CLASS, TIER CLASS THREE AND, AND HANDLE IT AT THAT TIME.
SO THE REAL COST HERE IS HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO SUBSIDIZE.
WE KNOW WHAT THE TRUE COST IS 4 25.
SO APPARENTLY THEY'RE WILLING TO SUBSIDIZE $7,220.
THAT'S WHAT THE APPETITE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN UP AND SAID WHAT THEY WANNA DO HAS BEEN.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD EQUATE TO FOR THE CLASS THREE.
UM, BUT WELL, WE'RE ONLY TALKING A COUPLE BUSINESSES FOR CLASS THREE, RIGHT? 2, 2, 2.
LIKE I SAID, THE ONLY THING ABOUT THAT IS CLASS ONE GOES FROM 40.
IF WE USE OPTION SIX, THEN WE ARE SAYING THAT'S NOT WHAT JOE IS SAYING.
OH, LEAVE IT AS JOE IS SAYING, LEAVE IT AS WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW TODAY.
I AGREE WITH JOE, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE LEFT, JOE, WHY DON'T YOU SAY TWO HOURS AGO TO PRIVATE PROBATION.
OKAY, WELL I THINK IF YOU'RE PRIVATIZING WE NEED TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER.
BUT LIKE IF WE GO PRIVATE, IT NEEDS TO BE ALL PRIVATE, NOT OFFER IT TO SOME AND NOT THE OTHER, THEN IT GUESS.
WELL, NO, BUT I'M, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT TONIGHT, RIGHT? WELL, ISN'T IT, ISN'T IT 300? I MEAN, IF YOU TAKE FOUR 20, NO, I MEAN, IF YOU TAKE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, OH NO, I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING.
I WAS LOOKING AT NUMBER SIX INSTEAD OF NUMBER FIVE.
SO WHATEVER WE DECIDE TONIGHT, WE, IF WE DECIDED TO READ READJUST CLASS THREE OR READJUST ALL THREE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT UNTIL THE END OF JANUARY ANYWAY.
'CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE PAST THE ADVERTISING PERIOD SINCE DECEMBER THE SHORT ONE FROZE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW MUCH DO WE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THE FULL COST IS 4 25 WITH WHAT THE, THE INFORMATION WE HAVE TODAY IS, DO YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, 80% OF THAT 4 25 IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA CHARGE ON.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEVEL OF COMFORT IS FOR COUNSEL.
WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS IT ONE MORE TIME BEFORE WE SET THAT RATE TOO.
SO IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FROM THE COUNCIL TO LEAVE ONE AND TWO AND FIGURE OUT THREE BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT TIME WE SEE EACH OTHER AND DO THIS FOR TWO HOURS.
WELL, I, I, I, I RETRACT WHAT I SAID IF THAT'S A BETTER OPTION.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S, IF THAT OPTION IS NOW FEASIBLE, THEN I, I TAKE THAT, I TAKE AND GO WITH THAT OPTION.
BECAUSE IF WE GO TO WHAT'S ON PAGE 22, WHAT'S ON PAGE 22 SAYS WE'RE SUBSIDIZING ABOUT $17,500.
SO, UM, I, I, SO ANOTHER THOUGHT THAT, THAT TO ME, UM, I ACTUALLY, TWO THINGS.
ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE REASON, THE BASIS OF SUBSIDIZATION.
UM, I DO WANT TO, I DO WANT TO MAKE A POINT THAT, THAT THERE IS SOME SUB SUBSIDIZATION GOING ON AND I WOULD INVITE VIJ TO CORRECT ME IF I MISSPEAK HERE.
BUT THERE, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE, UH, LACK OF AN EXISTING UTILITY, A METERED UTILITY ACCOUNT, THAT THERE ARE, UM, THERE ARE POTENTIALLY SOME CUSTOMERS WHO AREN'T GETTING BILLED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A METERED ACCOUNT THAT COULD IN THEORY BE SENT
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A BILL THAT IF THEY PAID, WOULD REDUCE THAT SUBSIDY.BUT THERE IS NO, UH, THERE WOULD BE NO, UH, KIND OF REASON TO MAKE THEM PAY IF THEY'RE NOT A METERED ACCOUNT.
SO, SO CAN I, I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION, MAYBE FOR MYSELF, MAYBE THAT'S OUR SETTLED BUSINESS, BUT PJ DO, DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT? AND CYNTHIA? YES.
AND I BELIEVE WE'VE COVERED IT A BIT AGO.
SO, AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUBSIDIZATION ON SOME OF THE SLIDES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE'RE FOCUSED ON, UM, JUST CHOOSING TO NOT RECOVER A COST THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY BILL AND RECOVER.
BUT TO THAT END, I, I GUESS I WOULD POINT OUT, UM, THAT IT IS THE, THE NUMBER OF CLASS THREE OR POTENTIAL CLASS THREE BUSINESSES IS SMALL ENOUGH AND THOSE BUSINESSES ARE LARGE ENOUGH THAT IT STRIKES ME.
UM, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY COMMON WAY TO, UH, ARBITRATE SUCH DECISIONS.
THE TOWN, I BELIEVE YOU COULD ISSUE QUITE COST EFFECTIVELY A SIMPLE INVITATION FOR BIDS FOR CONTAINER SERVICES AT THE, AT THOSE TWO TO FOUR BUSINESSES AND ISSUE THAT TO, YOU KNOW, ISSUE THAT AS A TOWN INVITATION FOR BIDS TO YOUR PRIVATE DOLLARS.
AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME, UH, LEGWORK TO ESTABLISH TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS, WHICH IS SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A, YOU KNOW, SIX YARD OR THREE TIMES A WEEK AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THIS PARKING SPOT.
I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO, TO DO IT FOR REAL, YOU COULDN'T FUDGE IT.
YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE REAL PLACES TO SPOT ACTUAL DUMPSTERS OF PARTICULAR SIZES.
BUT I THINK FOR ONLY FOUR BUSINESSES YOU COULD GO PRETTY COST EFFECTIVELY AND DO AN INVITATION FOR BIDS AND SEE WHAT THEY WOULD PAY IF THEY WENT TO THE PRIVATE MARKET AND SEE IF THAT CHANGES THINGS.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN DO IF THEY'RE GONNA PRIVA SIZE.
I JUST, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THE TOWN, AS THE CURRENT SERVICE PROVIDER FOR THOSE BUSINESSES, COULD OPT IN ITS CURRENT CAPACITY AS THE MAIN STREET SERVICE PROVIDER.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUTTA THAT SERVICE IS THE WHOLE POINT OF IT.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF IT.
SO I THINK, I THINK I, I WAS SUGGESTING THAT TACTIC MORE TO REVEAL WHAT THE TRUE PRICING IS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO DEFEND $425 A MONTH IF YOU'VE JUST GOTTEN THREE BIDS FOR $625 A MONTH.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSENSUS WAS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT TO LEAD THE CLASS ONE AND TWO AS IS AND THAT BEFORE OUR WORK SESSION IN JANUARY, WE HAVE A NUMBER FOR CLASS THREE.
AND IF THAT NUMBER, IF THAT NUMBER WORKS FOR EVERYBODY, FINE.
IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE ENTERTAIN GIVING UP SOME PARKING PLACES AND LETTING PEOPLE DO IT PRIVATE.
SO THE TWO BUSINESSES THAT, THAT WERE IN CLASS THREE HAVE BEEN, BEEN MOVED UP TO CLASS TWO.
IS THAT RIGHT? NOBODY IS BEING CHARGED AT THE CLASS THREE RATE RIGHT NOW.
PARDON? NOBODY IS BEING CHARGED.
SO, UH, BY DEFACTO, I'M, I'M AT THE NUMBER FIVE RATES.
WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE IS WHAT WE'RE CHARGING NOW, RIGHT? SO JUST LEAVE IT AS IS.
WE DON'T NEED TO PICK A NUMBER ON THAT SPREADSHEET JUST AS IS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CALL BACK? AND I APOLOGIZE THAT I THOUGHT WE COULD GET OUTTA HERE WITH A DECISION, MR. WA NO, THAT'S OKAY.
AT LEAST I KNOW MY CHRISTMAS, UH, UH, DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD.
WE'LL BE BACK ON JANUARY 6TH TO DISCUSS CLASS THREE AND ITS OPTIONS AND HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO SUBSIDIZE.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, UNTIL JANUARY HAPPENS, WE'RE TENTATIVELY SUBSIDIZING 25,000.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT, WELL, WE ARE RUNNING IN THE RENT.
WE'RE DEFINITELY RUNNING IN THE RENT.
SO WE NEED TO, SO HOPEFULLY BY JANUARY WE HAVE SOME, SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT WHERE TO GO WITH THIS OR NOT.
SO WE CAN TELL CYNTHIA AND JOHN BY YES.
I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO THEN GIVE THE MOTION THAT WE, UM, THAT WE DO COME UP WITH A PROCESS, A SURVEY, WHATEVER.
BUT I, I DO THINK AS, AND JOSH HAS ALLUDED TO THAT EARLIER, UM, WE NEED TO LOOK MORE INTO THE RESIDENTIAL, WHATEVER, WHATEVER KIND OF PROCESS YOU THINK MIGHT BE FEASIBLE TO GET MORE OF THAT INFORMATION ABOUT WHO'S RESIDENTIAL ON MAIN STREET.
HOW QUICKLY YOU WANT THIS DONE.
WELL, THAT'S, I'M, I'M HONESTLY ASKING NOT OVER THE, I MEAN, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO DO THAT, OF COURSE.
NO, BUT I MEAN, I, I, I WOULD EXPECT, I GUESS, DO YOU WANT TO SURVEY ALL
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THE, I WANTED YOU TO COME UP WITH A PROCESS.IF A SURVEY'S NOT FEASIBLE, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU WOULD, THE TAX RECORDS DON'T HAVE VISIT THE TAX RECORD STILL DOESN'T HAVE IT.
WE DON'T REALLY, FIRST I STARTED BUILDING PERMIT, OPEN THE STUFF UP.
YOU'RE COUNTING ON THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GONNA TELL THE TRUTH.
IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA VOLUNTARILY TELL YOU WE ONE FLOOR OPERATING RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I SAID WHATEVER, WHATEVER WAY, GET MORE THAT INFORMATION.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY NUMBER ONE I'M FOR ANY SUGGESTIONS.
WELL THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I DIDN'T KNOW IF, IF CHARGING THE LANDLORD WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD MAKE THEM BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL WAIT A SECOND, I GOTTA RECOVER SOME OF THIS THROUGH MY RENT.
WHICH I FEEL TERRIBLE SAYING THAT.
'CAUSE PEOPLE'S RENT ARE CRAZY RIGHT NOW ANYWAY.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT AT THE COUNCIL RETREAT NEXT, NEXT MONTH.
SO FEBRUARY, JANUARY WE'RE COMING BACK.
WE'VE GOT TO LET ME LOOK INTO IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S, WE, WE DO, WE ARE DOING THAT DEEP ANALYSIS NOW.
UM, LOOKING AT WHAT COUNCIL WE'RE NOT COVERING, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNOW WHERE THERE ARE SOME ACCOUNTS THAT ARE MASTER METERS, RIGHT? WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, FINANCIAL ADVISOR, SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY CAN EXPLORE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT INSTRUMENT'S GONNA BE.
I MEAN, I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO DO SOME TYPE OF INVENTORY.
I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW SURE, BY ALL MEANS, TAKE TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO DO THE PROCESS.
AND UH, AND I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S A FAIR SUGGESTION THAT IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSS AT OUR RETREAT.
IT'S OVER A HUNDRED BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET, I WOULD SAY.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN UNDERTAKING FOR STAFF.
AM THREE A BJ, IT'S THE PURCHASE AND REPLACEMENT TRUCK FOR DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SERVICES.
PERSONALLY THINK IT'S A NO BRAINER, BUT I THINK WE CAN, YEAH, WE, UH, THE MONEY'S BUDGETED.
UH, THE, UM,
I BELIEVE IT'S REPLACED AT A 2005, UH, UM, COLORADO PICKUP.
EVERYTHING'S, UM, UH, IN ORDER AS FAR AS PROCUREMENT, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
ALL OF THREE HAS ALL THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS.
I HAVE TO SAY TOO, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET, IT SAYS ELECTRIC DASH.
NO, I'M LAUGHING BECAUSE IT'S ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT.
WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT IT, I WAS LIKE, YOU'RE ELECTRIC.
IF NO ONE HAS ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.
YOU HAD QUESTIONS? SOME MIS ON TRACK TO GET OUTTA HERE.
IS ANYBODY NOT OKAY WITH PUTTING DOWN THE CONSENT AGENDA? HONOR MUL, WHERE DO WE PUT THE, THE, UH, WE MULCH IS 3D.
IS THAT YOU TWO? YEAH, IT CAN BE
LET'S DO THREE DI GET, THERE'S VERY FEW THINGS THAT I GET TO DO.
SO, UH, THIS IS, UM, UH, FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, WE HAD, UH, FUNDS BUDGETED THE, UM, UH, WE, UH, CHANGED DIRECTIONS A LITTLE BIT ON IT.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, IT'S A SOLE SOURCE AND WE NEED TO HAVE IT.
UH, HE MAY HAVE, UH, UH, GOT SOME OF THE AROMA FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT HERE RECENTLY.
AND SO HELPFUL
SO IF NO ONE, AND THAT'S BUDGETED TOO.
UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING AGAINST ANY NO.
SO THREE B IS THE, UM, THE, THE, UH, THE, YEAH, THE BUS, THE PASSENGER BUS SERVICE.
I I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S, YEAH.
THE, UH, FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH VIRGINIA REGIONAL TRANSIT HAS EXPIRED.
I THINK IT SAYS IN THE COVER SHEET THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 2004.
UH, BASICALLY WE'RE JUST RENEWING THE CONTRACT UNDER THE SAME TERMS IT'S BEEN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AND FY 23, THE TROLLEY TRANSPORTED 16,799 PASSENGERS AND YEAR TO DATE, 2007.
AND YEAR TO DATE, UP THROUGH OCTOBER, THEY HAVE TRANSPORTED 13,362.
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UTILIZED AND IT IS DEPENDENT ON AND CITIZENS ONLY 51,000.THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY ABOVE.
I, I I BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD DEAL.
SO THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
PUBLIC HEARING, SO THAT WILL NOT BE GOING TO CONSENT.
WHAT THE, THE WHO HAS TO BE THAT HAS TO, THAT HAS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT YEAH.
HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID ABOUT IT BEING A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE WE HAVE THE HAVE IT NEXT MONDAY NIGHT.
OH, DOES IT HAVE EXPIRED? YEAH, THAT WAS GOOD.
UM, MR. WALTZ, UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED REQUESTS FROM SALVATION ARMY FOR THEIR ANNUAL TREE PROGRAM ASKING FOR ASSISTANCE FOR THEIR UTILITIES.
UH, THEY, UH, UH, OCCUPIED FOUR 19 SOUTH STREET, WHICH WAS THE OLD DOMINO'S LOCATION AT ROYAL PLAZA CENTER.
UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING THREE MONTHS OF UTILITIES FOR THAT SITE.
UM, WE DID REQUEST, UH, THE APPLICANT TO DEFINE WHAT THOSE UTILITIES OR WHAT THAT COST WAS.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE THE EMAILS IN HERE.
WE DIDN'T GET A, A DIRECT ANSWER ON EXACTLY WHAT THE ASKED IS, EXCEPT, UH, I BELIEVE READING EMAILS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR U THE UTILITIES, UH, AT THAT LOCATION, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS ELECTRIC WATER AND TRASH.
BUT I I, I DID NOT GET ENOUGH, UH, ANSWER ON THAT.
SO, UM, I THINK SHE BECAME THROUGH CORRESPONDENCE OF THAT, THREE MONTHS.
UH, MID-NOVEMBER TO MID JANUARY.
I THINK THE UTILITIES HAVE BEEN TURNED ON.
I WASN'T HAVE THE LAST BOARD MEETING ON SIDE
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT'S NOT ON THE BOARD.
SO, DECLARING IT, IT'S FOR THE ANGEL TREE DISTRIBUTION.
SO IF YOU'RE BUYING STUFF, IT GOES THERE, THEN ALL THE STUFF HAS TO BE PUT TOGETHER.
THE REASON WHY I ASKED YOU THREE MONTHS DISTRIBUTION DAY IS LIKE THE MONDAY BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE ODD THAT IT WAS GOING ALL THE WAY INTO JANUARY.
BECAUSE I WOULD ASSUME THAT, THAT, I MEAN, BY THEN, YOU'RE NOT STILL NO, I, I DISTRIBUTING, I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT SHORTLY AFTER CHRISTMAS, IT SHOULD BE OVER WITH I THINK FIRST, THE 31ST.
WE SHOULD, IF WE DO IT, WE DO IT TILL THE 31ST.
I'M GONNA BE THE BEAR OF BAD NEWS HERE AND JUST REMIND YOU GUYS THAT THIS IS SETTING A PRECEDENCE THAT WE'VE NEVER SET IN THE HISTORY OF THE TOWN.
SO BE PREPARED IF YOU DO IT FOR ONE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY GOOD, VERY HELPFUL.
THERE'S A LOT OF NON-PROFITS IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
I SUPPORT THE ANGEL TREE CALLS.
I BUY SEVERAL OF THEM EVERY YEAR.
BUT I JUST, THAT'S REALISTICALLY SPEAKING.
I ACTUALLY THINK WE ACTUALLY WERE ASKED, I'M TRYING TO THINK.
SOMEWHERE IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, SOMEBODY CAME TO US AND ASKED US TO PROVIDE UTILITIES.
MIGHT HAVE BEEN REACHING UP NOW, BUT ANYWAY, I CAN'T THINK.
UM, HEY, I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH, GLEN, YOU MIGHT KNOW OR DON'T KNOW.
WHERE DID THEY DO THIS BEFORE? WHERE HAVE THEY DONE THIS LAST YEAR, LAST TWO YEARS.
THEY DONATED THE MEDICAL OFFICE.
IT WAS CHOPPED UP ROOMS. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT.
BUT VALLEY HEALTH DONATED IT IN IT, ITS ENTIRETY.
UM, SO THAT WAS JUST, I DON'T KNOW THE PARTICULARS THIS YEAR.
WHY THEY'RE NOT GOING BACK THERE.
AND NOW WE HAVE A NEW COMMANDER, SO A LOT OF THINGS ARE UP IN HERE.
OH, REALLY? WHO'S NOT AUNT? SHE'S LEAVING.
WELL THAT MIGHT BE, THAT MIGHT BE SOME OF THE CONFUSION.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? CONFUSION TOO.
'CAUSE MAYBE, 'CAUSE SHE PROBABLY TRIED TO GET LOCATIONS FOR THIS TOO.
WELL, NO, SHE HAD A DIFFERENT LOCATION IN THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN A LARGER FOR PLAN.
SOMEBODY KNEW THIS WAS AVAILABLE, MADE
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UP OF 'EM, SO.BUT IT, IT'S THE COUNCIL'S EVERYONE.
UH, A MEETING OR, I JUST WANNA SAY ONLY BECAUSE WE HAD THIS HAD, UM, BEEN LIKE, I KNOW MY FIRST YEAR ON COUNCIL, THE HUMANE SOCIETY CAME TO US AND ASKED US ABOUT DOING SOMETHING.
AND IT IS SO TRICKY BECAUSE COUNCIL DOESN'T, UM, DOESN'T FUND NON-PROFITS.
AND WHILE THIS ISN'T FUNDING THEM, IT IS, UM, IT IS IT JUST LIKE, I'M TRYING TO THINK THE LIAISON MEETING WHERE THEY WERE ASKING US TO, UM, OH.
AND I REMEMBER I TRIED TO EXPLAIN HOW YOU'RE, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TAX DOLLARS THAT WOULD BE DOING THIS.
WELL, I'M SAYING UTILITIES, IF YOU, I MEAN, TECHNICALLY YOU'RE, IT'S THE UTILITIES.
SO IF IT'S ELECTRIC WATER AND SEWER THAT'S COMING OUTTA ELECTRIC WATER AND SEWER FUNDS, WHICH IS EVERY CUSTOMER WHO PAYS INTO ELECTRIC WATER AND SEWER.
SO I, I WOULD BE, I WISH THERE WAS A NUMBER, LIKE I WISH THERE WAS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING $300, YOU KNOW, 5,000.
I MEAN OTHER THAN TOILET FLUSHING.
THE WATER AND SEW WOULD BE NEGLIGIBLE.
SO I THINK A 31, A ONE MONTH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE LIKE A FEE.
LIKE WE SOMETIMES WE'LL WAIVE THE FEES ON VARIOUS THINGS.
UM, WELL THAT WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF A 30 DAY, ONE MONTH, A ONE MONTH BILL.
MS. WALTZ, WHAT WERE YOU, OH, YOU SAID SOMEBODY HAD THEIR HANDS UP THERE? YEAH, I DID.
I I I WOULD RECOMMEND MAYBE DESIGNATING A DOLLAR AMOUNT BECAUSE I REALLY, I MEAN, WE COULD LOOK AT PAST HISTORY, BUT THAT WAS PIZZA OVENS AND STUFF.
SO WE REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT, UM, WHAT THAT USAGE WILL BE AND WHAT THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE.
SO I, IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE SHOULD STICK TO AN ACTUAL VALUE.
OH, FOR ONE MONTH, A HUNDRED DOLLARS IS WHAT? YEAH, $500 FOR ONE MONTH.
NO, I DON'T KNOW WHY I GOT A CIGARETTE.
I GOT SIX KIDS AND WE DON'T, WILSON WILSON MAY REMEMBER SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE OCCURRED IN THE PAST AND ONE BILL DID TURN OUT TO BE $2,000 FOR THE NONPROFIT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I, I'M NOT SAYING THIS WILL, I'M SAYING IT CAN HAPPEN.
THEY NEED TO BE, AND IT HAS HAPPENED OF IT.
AND NOT LIKE, LEAVE THE LIGHTS ON ALL NIGHT AT THE OTHER PLACE.
I MEAN, WE WERE IN THERE WITH THE COATS ON WORK AND IT WASN'T LIKE WE HAD TO HEAT UP ON 80 IN OUR STORES.
I MEAN, IT'S VOLUNTEERS DOING THIS.
WHAT AND WHAT, WHERE DO WE SAY IT? I KNOW I ORIGINALLY SAW IT WAS NOVEMBER.
I SAW, OR MAYBE IT WAS 'CAUSE JOE TOLD ME WE WERE ASKING MID-NOVEMBER TILL MID JANUARY.
I KNOW, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE ONCE EMAIL CHAIN AND I DIDN'T, BUT MY, MY, MY CONCERN WAS IN AN EMAIL CHAIN.
THEY, YOU KNOW, COULDN'T EVEN JUST, I KNOW THEY, THERE'S NO NUMBERS GIVEN IN WHAT THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.
WELL, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT I KNOW.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL IF THEY'D HAVE GIVEN US AN ESTIMATE LOOKING BACK AT HER PREVIOUS BILL FROM LAST YEAR OR SOMETHING, OR WHAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR BUDGET.
THEY AFFORD AND THEY NOT AFFORD ANYTHING AT ALL.
YOU WOULD'VE LOOK AT THE BEFORE SOMETHING WAS, I I KNOW, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
WE'RE ASKING FOR X, Y, Z QUITE HONESTLY, THE BUDGET ZERO BECAUSE IT IS ANGEL FREE.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T BUDGET MONEY FOR THIS.
I MEAN THAT'S, WELL, DO THEY ASK OTHER BUSINESSES THAT THEY COULD HOST IT THERE? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THEY'RE ASKING OTHER BUSINESSES TO ADOPT THE, THAT THAT'S THE EMPHASIS GETTING THE I DO IT, I DO THAT MOUTH.
AND I WAS GONNA SAY, I WAS TRYING TO THINK, I KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE THAT DID TOYS FOR DOGS HAD REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT, DID I KNOW ANY PLACE THAT WOULD, UM, WELL I REACHED OUT TO JOE KIND OF LIKE A WAREHOUSE KIND OF THING.
I MEAN, IF WE EVEN HAD A PLACE.
YEAH, NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M, I'M SAYING THAT KNOWING ERIN AND, AND HER TRYING TO FIND A PLACE FOR TOYS FOR TOTS, TRYING TO FIND A LOCATION FOR SOMEBODY TO ALLOW THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, TOYS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
DONATIONS, THAT IT'S HARD TO FIND A SPOT EVEN THOUGH IT FEELS THOUGH YOU GOT A TON OF PLACES EMPTY AROUND HERE.
UM, SO, UM, AGAIN, THE QUESTIONS THAT
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WE ASKED WERE, YOU KNOW, FOR THREE MONTHS, WHAT ARE THE HOURS AND DAYS OF THE WEEK? YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL THAT.'CAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THE VOLUNTEERS GET IN THERE.
WHAT DAY WILL THE UTILITIES BE CONNECTED IN YOUR NAME AND WHAT DAY WILL THEY BE DISCONNECTED? THEY'VE ALREADY, THEY'VE ALREADY CONNECTED THEM.
RIGHT? HONESTLY, I DID NOT LOOK.
IT SAID THAT IT'S LIKE TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY OF LAST.
SO RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND WE'RE ASSUMING BEFORE CHRISTMAS DAY THEY WOULD BE DISTRIBUTION THE 23RD, RIGHT? RIGHT.
NOW THERE WILL BE PEOPLE THAT WON'T PICK STUFF UP AND THEY'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT THE FOLLOWING WEEK, BUT IT'S USUALLY MINIMAL.
THEY PUT IT IN A CORE TRUCK AND THEY'LL JUST HAVE TO FIND SOME PLACE TO STORE.
COUNSEL, ARE WE WHO'S PAYING FOR THE ELECTRIC? FOR THE CHRISTMAS TREE? WE, UH, SET UP OVER IN RURAL PLAZA.
YOU KNOW, PLAZA ONE OF THE YEAH.
RURAL PLAZA SHOULD BE PAYING FOR IT.
IT'S, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A OKAY.
WE DON'T GIVE THEM ANYTHING FOR THAT.
COUNSEL, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WANNA DO? YOU'RE HESITANT TO DO? WANNA PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT? WE JUST NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, I THINK THERE'S GOTTA HAVE AN DOLLAR AMOUNT.
YOU CAN'T JUST OPEN A CHECKBOOK AND WRITE A BLANK CHECK THAT THAT'S REALLY NOT FAIRED.
ANY OF THE OTHER NONPROFITS DOING GOOD WORK THIS SEASON UP TO TWO 50.
ANYBODY HAVE A DIFFERENT, UH, A DIFFERENT AMOUNT? I THOUGHT I HAVE A CALENDAR.
UM, MY CONCERN IS WHAT COUNCILWOMAN BE.
PAUL SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, HE'S SETTING A PRECEDENCE.
I'M POINTING AT COULD YOU REMEMBER THEIR NAME? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MADE AN EFFORT THERE TO THINK IT THROUGH BEFORE I ATED IT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DO THIS, ARE WE GONNA BE EXPECTED TO DO THIS FOR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT COME THROUGH AND ASK US NOW? I'M NOT AGAIN, I JUST, I IT PUTS US, IT PUTS, YOU KNOW, MAKES IF YOU'RE SAYING NO AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA BASH YOU LIKE BEING A PUPPY HATER OR SOMETHING.
IF YOU SAY YES, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M RELUCTANT TO DO IT AT ALL.
SO I'M, I'M GOING TO BE THE, I'LL BE THE BAD GUY.
BUT I'M JUST, I'M GONNA SAY NO, JUST BECAUSE OF THE PRE THE PRESIDENTS THAT IT SETS.
BUT DO WE, HAVE WE EVER CAN, HAVE WE EVER HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD LIKE PEOPLE DONATE TO AN ACCOUNT? YES.
LIKE I, I'M ONLY SAYING LIKE, IF WE SAID IF WE YES, THE, UM, UM, UH, YES, WE, UH, WE HAVE A POSTCARD THAT, UH, A LITTLE GIFT CARD THAT WE CAN WRITE OUT.
SO IF YOU COME IN AND SAY, I WANT PUT $50 ON 1 0 2 EAST MAIN, IT'LL GO THERE AND WE'LL SEND A POSTCARD OUT AND IT SAYS THAT EITHER, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S ANONYMOUS, SOMETIMES I ONLY SAY THAT.
'CAUSE IF WE SAID IF WE OFFERED TO CITIZENS, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO CHIP IN TOWARDS THIS PARTICULAR UTILITY ACCOUNT, I, I'M JUST, I'M JUST BEING CREATIVE.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING DON'T HATE BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T FOR CHRISTMAS.
I DIDN'T WANNA ASK YOU IF YOU'RE LIKE, THAT'S A PAIN.
THAT PROGRAM'S PHOENIX CHRISTMAS COUNCIL COUNSEL, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO, WAYNE? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? SORRY, I KEEP PICKING ON YOU, WAYNE.
I DIDN'T MEAN, I'M JUST STARTING GOING LEFT, GOING RIGHT.
BUT GLEN, I WOULD SUGGEST, UH, UH, WITH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN DEMON PAYNE THAT I WOULD ADD TO HER $250 TOP, UH, TO END, UH, JANUARY.
I'M GOOD WITH, UH, THAT SUGGESTION.
UM, OR BOX TWO 50, BUT BY, BUT IT DID DECEMBER 31ST, YOU'RE SAYING.
WE ALREADY KNOW YOU OBVIOUSLY.
I, I SUPPORT THE SALVATION ARMY.
UM, RING THE BELL WITH MY TOWN ATTORNEY LAST YEAR.
PUT AN ANGEL TREE IN MY OFFICE EVERY YEAR.
I DO NOT THINK THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE WHEN THE NEXT ONE COMES ALONG, WE'LL HAVE TO JUSTIFY WHILE WE TELL THEM NO IF WE DON'T DO IT.
OR WE'RE OPENING THE DOOR TO DO IT CONSISTENTLY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A STANDARD IN PLACE YET.
SO, JOSH, THERE'S NOTHING
SAME, SAME WHAT SHE JUST SAID, COUNCILMAN ICE YOU.
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I SEE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.BUT I, I, I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE KIDS NOT HAVING ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
WELL, THE ELECTRIC'S ALREADY ON IT WASN'T SHUTTING IT DOWN.
WE WEREN'T COMING IN THERE AND TURNING THE ELECTRIC OFF.
JUST TO BE CLEAR,
WAIT, 3D WE ALREADY DID 3D, FOUR A.
THESE ARE REQUESTS FOR TOWN WATER AND SEWER IN THE CORRIDOR FOR INDUSTRIAL USE.
AND BY BEING, YES, BOTH OF THESE ARE, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT WE DID THREE.
THIS HAS TO GO TO BUSINESS ITEM, RIGHT? YOU MIGHT SALVATION HONOR DONATING MONEY.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AGENDA.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.
AND IS IT IT IS GOING ON NEW BUSINESS? IT'LL BE UNDER BUSINESS ITEMS. YES.
OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THIS MONEY, MONEY, THAT'S GOOD THINKING.
IS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION? GENERAL FUND OR ENTERPRISE FUND CAN BE EITHER TAXPAYER PAID OR THE USERS.
I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD BE THE ONE TO DECIDE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE DOING IT SHOULD BE THE ONE, JUST SAY WHICH FUND THEY WANT TO COME OUT OF.
I'M GONNA GO OUT ON A LIMB HERE.
I'M JUST GOING TO, I'LL WRITE YOU A CHECK FOR $250.
LET MYSELF, I I, I HONESTLY, I WANTED TO DONATE SOME MONEY THIS SEASON, SO I'M JUST GONNA WRITE THE TOWN A CHECK FOR $250.
WE WANT TAXPAYERS ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
'CAUSE MY HUSBAND WILL READ IT
SO I'M JUST GONNA DO, I'M STILL WORKING ON THE SOLID WASTE.
ALL YEAH, I, I'M JUST SAYING I JUST WOULD FEEL BETTER DOING IT THAT WAY THAN TAKING IN I DO, I DO THAT WITH MY COUNSELOR.
UM, OR, OR DO WE HAVE TO IN PUBLIC? WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
WELL, ONCE YOU VOTE IN POLITICS MONDAY, EVERY NONPROFIT DOES.
WELL, LET'S JUST SAY THIS IS MR ELSE.
FOUR A, UM, REQUEST FOR TOWN WATER AND SEWER.
SO BOTH OF THESE WERE THINGS WE'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT BEFORE.
AND, UH, I HANDED OUT, UH, PRIOR TO THE MEETING SOME, UH, NEW SHEETS ON OUR WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY.
SO THE FIRST SHEET YOU HAVE IS THE WATER CAPACITY.
BUT I WANT YOU TO FLIP TO THE SECOND PAGE.
AND WHAT YOU WILL SEE ON THE SECOND PAGE IS OUR SEWER CAPACITY THAT WE DISCUSSED BACK IN MARCH OF 24.
AND THEN WHEN YOU FLIP ON THE BACK, WHAT I, WHAT ROBBIE DID WAS I INSTRUCTED ROBBIE TO GET WITH OUR CONSULTANT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR AND REEVALUATE THESE NUMBERS AND DETERMINE WHAT OUR LIMITATIONS WERE OUT IN THE CORRIDOR FOR OUR WASTEWATER, UH, TREATMENT.
AND SO, AS YOU WILL SEE IN THE MARCH EDITION, THERE WERE SOME ASSUMPTIONS MADE AND WE HAD ZERO DOWNSTREAM CAPACITY.
UM, WE HAVE LOST A FEW USERS OUT IN THE CORRIDOR AND SO WE'VE RECALCULATED WITH SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE HAD.
AND SO WE'VE CHANGED THOSE LIMITATIONS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE DO HAVE AVAILABILITY, UM, BASICALLY AT EVERY STATION, BUT LIMITED AND VARIES, UH, ACCORDINGLY.
SO THE TWO REQUESTS THAT WE ARE TALKING TONIGHT, UM, THE FIRST ONE IS QUIS AND THE OTHER ONE IS TORE.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE, QUIS, THEY WERE ESTIMATING 4,200 GALLONS PER DAY.
UM, WHAT I WAS ABLE TO DO, UH, IN A DEEP DIVE IN WHAT THEIR NUMBERS ARE PROVIDING, UH, BASICALLY THEY'RE PROVIDING, UH, BYSTANDER, NORMALLY A WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTER IS NORMALLY BETWEEN 10 TO 25 GALLONS PER DAY.
THEY MADE THE ASSUMPTION OF 20 GALLONS PER DAY PER EMPLOYEE.
AND SO THAT'S HOW THEY CAME TO THAT NUMBER OF 4,200 GALLONS PER DAY.
THE OTHER ONE TORE, THEY DID NOT PROVIDE, UH, EMPLOYEES, UH, I WASN'T ABLE TO GET TO HOW THEY GOT TO
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THEIR 800 GALLONS PER DAY.UM, BUT STILL, UH, ALL IN, IN LINE WITH A WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTER.
I, I BELIEVE THAT THE TWO PRIOR REQUESTS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN NOVEMBER, UH, I BELIEVE THEIR NUMBERS MIGHT HAVE BEEN LOWER PROJECTIONS.
WHEN I'M LOOKING AT ALL FOUR OF THESE, IN REALITY, I THINK THOSE OTHERS TWO MIGHT HAVE.
SO THEY HAD A LOT OF SHOP AREA, THEY HAD A LOT OF SHOP AREA, GARAGE AREA.
THEY WERE LIKE WHAT, FOUR OR 500 GALLONS PER RIGHT? UH, FIRST ONE WAS 48, 4200 GALLONS A DAY.
THE TWO THAT WE DID IN NOVEMBER, I THINK WERE 6 75 COMES TO MIND AND I CAN'T THINK OF THE FOUR 50.
SO JOE, I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I JUST REMEMBER BACK THE CONSULTANT, WE HAD ISSUES IN RIVERTON WITH A PUMP STATION.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING FLOWS BACK TO RIVERTON AND, AND ROBBIE CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE INTELLIGENTLY ON THIS FIX THAT'S GONNA FIX.
WELL, UH, WE JUST GOT THE FIRST ROUND OF PLANS BACK, SO WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING THEM.
SO EVERYTHING FROM CROOKED RUNNING, WHICH HAS BEEN UPDATED FLOWS TO RIVERTON AND EVERYTHING FROM VISCO CITY FLOWS TO RIVERTON.
UM, SO WHO PUMPS ARE LIKE 82, 83? UM, SO WE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WORKING ON THE ENGINEERING NOW.
UM, WE SENT BACK SOME COMMENTS, UM, TO THEM.
THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH A FEW THINGS, UM, FOR THAT.
BUT I MEAN, FOR RIGHT NOW IT HAS TWO PUMPS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA ADD A THIRD WHEN WE UPGRADE THE PUMP STATION AS THE PLAN.
UM, BUT I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE CAPACITY THERE.
I THINK THE ISSUE, LIKE JOE SAID BEFORE WAS, IS WHEN THEY BROKE IT DOWN, THEY BROKE IT DOWN OFF THE PEAKY DAY AND NOT THE AVERAGE.
SO THE PEAK DAY IS BASED ON THE HIGHEST FLOW OF THE YEAR.
UM, SO LIKE BACK IN AUGUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAD OVER A 50 YEAR STORM.
IT'S LIKE AN INCH AND A HALF AWAY FROM A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
SO WHEN THEY DO THE PEAK DAY, IT SHOWS IT OFF OF THAT AND NOT YOUR DAILY AVERAGE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT MAKES IT LOOK SO, SO DIFFERENT BASED ON THAT.
OUR LAST URA MODEL WAS OH NINE, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON GETTING UPDATED NOW, WHICH WILL WILL HELP THAT AS WELL.
BUT YEAH, THAT WAY IT SHOWS IT A LOT BETTER THAT WAY.
UM, FAR AS CAPACITY, I DUNNO IF IT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION OR NO, I MEAN, IT WAS REALLY BASED ON WHAT HE HAD SAID EARLIER WHEN WE MADE A TOUR AROUND THE AREA.
BUT YES, IT, BUT IT IS DUE FOR UPGRADES.
YEAH, IT'S EVERYTHING'S LIKE EARLY EIGHTIES.
UM, AND I SAID WE, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE FIRST SET OF PLANS, UH, THE TESTA DOING THAT WORK.
UM, IT WAS MOSTLY MINIMAL STUFF, UM, THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED.
SO, UM, WHAT IS COUNT FOR? SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THINGS ON THE INFORMATION THAT I I HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF? YES.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT BASED ON GO AHEAD ROGER.
WELL SAY ON YOUR AVERAGE DAILY RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW, LIKE AT RIVER 10 ON YOUR DAILY AVERAGE, YOU'RE STILL ALMOST, UH, A LITTLE A MEAN AND THREE QUARTER, UH, CAPACITY LEFT AND CROOKED RUNS STILL HAS ALMOST A MEAN AND A HALF.
SO EVEN WITH THOSE FOUR, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE AVERAGE, YOU'RE STILL GOOD.
ANYTIME WE EAT LATER DOWN THE ROAD, DO THE UPGRADES AT, UH, RIVERSON, THAT'LL REALLY HELP WITH THE EXTRA COST.
AND THESE WILL BRING IN DEVELOPMENT FEES AND STUFF THAT WILL BACK YES.
THE, UH, THE ONE DIDN'T HAVE A FIRE SUPPRESSION, BUT BETWEEN THE TWO, SINCE WE'RE OUT OF TOWN, JUST BETWEEN THESE TWO SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FEES, IT'S ALMOST 350,000 AND THEN THAT ALL WAY TAB TO THE PUMP.
AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GET THE LARGE METER FEE AND THE FIRE SUPPRESSION FEE EVERY MONTH.
SO, I MEAN, IT'LL BE SOME, IT CAN BE A WIN-WIN.
IS, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS? NO.
SO TINA, WHERE, WHAT WILL THAT NEED? WHERE, WHERE CAN THAT BE? THIS IN INSIDE.
ALL THAT'S WHAT YOU DID THE LAST TIME.
SO FOUR B IS, WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 4:00 AM OKAY.
SO WE'RE, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE SO WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE AN, WE'RE JUST YES TO 4:00 AM B EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH BOTH THOSE, RIGHT? YES.
SO THEY'RE BOTH GONNA BE ON BUSINESS ITEM, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THANK MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.2
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DASH 3 7 1 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE.ONE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 VIRGINIA, A CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, EMPLOYED OR RETAIN BY PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE.
BY MORE SPECIFICALLY, A, THE INSOLVENCY OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THE ME FOR THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA, AND B, SUPPLYING LARGE INDUSTRIAL USERS OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN LIMIT AND C, IN POSITION FOR ROAD IMPACT FEES.
I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE MEETING WAS THE LARGER PORTION OF THAT.