* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY, I'M GONNA CALL THE TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR [Town Council Work Session on November 12, 2024.] WORK SESSION FOR TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH TO ORDER. UM, MR. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKRELL HERE. VICE MAYOR LOP. HERE. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. COUNCILMAN MORRIS? HERE. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? HERE. COUNCILMAN DE DAMON PAYNE. HERE. COUNCILMAN, WHAT IS THAT? OKAY, SO OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS OLD BUSINESS, AND THAT IS THE JOHN MARLOWE PLAZA SIGN AND DEDICATION. I BELIEVE MS. LEWIS IS GONNA PRESENT ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. SURE AM. I'VE GOT PAPER COPY FOR FOLKS. THANK YOU. THIS'LL BE RELATIVELY PAINLESS. I THINK YOU GOT IT. SO, UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE A TON OF INSIGHT ON WHAT YOUR ALL'S VISION WAS. SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THERE WERE A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS AND YOU TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING DOWN ON PAPER AND PUT FORWARD WHAT PUBLIC WORKS AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING. SO THE IDEA WAS TO DO A FORMAT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE CIVIL WAR TRAIL SIGNS, WHICH WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, KEEPING IT, UM, IN THE SAME AESTHETIC. ALTHOUGH WE HAD A GREAT SUGGESTION FROM ONE OF THE STREET'S TEAM MEMBERS TO USE WOOD STAINED TO MATCH THE PAVILION INSTEAD OF THE BROWN METAL. SO WE REALLY KIND OF TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER. UM, AND THEN I GOTTA SCROLL HERE. SO IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND PAGE. THANK YOU, TOM. MM-HMM. . UM, IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND PAGE, THE YELLOW BOX I DREW, AND I'M GETTING ALL CRAFTY. SO THE YELLOW BOX I DREW IS WHAT IS THE LOCATION WE HAD ENVISIONED? SO WHAT WE HAD PLANNED ON DOING WAS BRICKING THIS RECTANGLE, UM, TO MATCH. WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE MATERIALS SO THEY WOULD MATCH THE REST OF THE CONCRETE APRON. AND THEN DOING A SIGN, ONE MORE FOR ME, CHARLES, PLEASE. AND THEN DOING A SIGN, EXCUSE ME, IN A SIMILAR FOOTPRINT THERE IN THE BOX. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A RECTANGLE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE SAME SIZE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACTLY LIKE THAT. BUT THE IDEA WAS THAT I KNOW YOU WANNA MAKE THIS COMMEMORATION SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO DO IT. YOU WANNA MAKE IT MEANINGFUL. SO YOU'RE GONNA WANT SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PLAZA. YOU'RE GONNA WANT SOME INFORMATION ABOUT MAYOR MARLEY. YOU'RE GONNA WANNA HAVE THAT HISTORICAL CONTEXT. SO WE LIKED THIS LOCATION BECAUSE IT OVERLOOKS THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE PLAZA, BUT IT IS NOT IN THE WAY OF FUTURE GROWTH. SO IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE TREES OR MOVE TREES OR ADD TREES OR WHAT THIS, IT'S NOT IN THE WAY, IT'S NOT IN THE WAY VISUALLY WHEN YOU'RE TURNING OUT THE CONCERTS OR ANYTHING. I, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE LEAST IMPACTFUL WHEN IT COMES TO NEGATIVE IMPACT. UM, BUT VERY VISIBLE BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL SEE IT FROM MAIN STREET. YOU CAN SEE IT FROM A PARKING LOT. YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE VISITOR CENTER. UM, SO THAT WAS IN A NUTSHELL WHAT WE CAME UP WITH. I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK. ONE THING I WAS JUST GONNA SAY ABOUT IT BEING NEAR THE GAZEBO AND IN THAT AREA, IT'S ALSO NEAR THE, UM, VISITOR CENTER AND LIKE THE TRAIN AND STUFF. AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS ALL PART OF HIS INITIATIVE TOO. SO IT, IT WAS JUST THE GAZEBO. IT WAS THAT WHOLE, THE WHOLE CLOSET. SO IT KIND OF IS LIKE A NESTLE BETWEEN BOTH THINGS. SO I I SEE THAT AS A POSITIVE TOO. OKAY. OTHER FEEDBACK? UH, AS FAR AS THE LAYOUT OF THE SIGN, PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIKE A, UH, SORT OF A PICTURE OF WHO HE IS. ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND THEN A SHORT BIOGRAPHY. UM, COMPLETELY AGREE. COMPLETELY AGREE. YEAH. AND, UH, THE HIGH POINTS, I THINK WE MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO GRAB ONTO A SKETCH OR SOMETHING AT SOME POINT OF WHAT THE IDEATION OF THIS PLAZA WAS WHEN THEY WERE WORKING THROUGH THAT. MM-HMM. . UM, SO THAT WAS AN IDEA THAT WE HAD INTERNALLY AS WELL, TRYING TO SHOW KIND OF THE PROGRESSION AS TO WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY WELL, HONORING JOHN'S LEGACY AND, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A FACE TO THAT HISTORY AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. MAKE SURE YOU PUT IN THE LINE WHAT'S GOOD FOR FRONT GOING. IS IT GOOD FOR FRONT DOOR? IS IT GOOD FOR FRONT ROW? YEAH, THAT'S, HE ALWAYS SAID THAT. YEAH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY, IS IT GOOD FOR FRONT DOOR? IT'S KIND OF HIS LITMUS TEXT. I LIKE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. I LIKE THAT. AND EMILY PROBABLY, UM, HAS THAT TOO. WHAT BRUCE STUCK ABOUT WHEN HE WAS HONORED LAST YEAR AS THE STARS. MM-HMM. , UM, RECIPIENT. THEY FROM THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION? YES MA'AM. LOTS OF PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT IT. BUT WHEN HE, SEVERAL PEOPLE MENTIONED THAT VERY SAME THING. AND THEN WHEN JOHN SPOKE, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY JUST A FEW WEEKS BEFORE HE PASSED, HE WAS, UM, HE MENTIONED THAT AS WELL. AND I JUST, UM, SO I JUST PARTICIPATED A FEW WEEKS AGO. I WENT TO MARLOW MOTORS, THE, UM, HOUSE AND THE SENATE, UM, DID A RESOLUTION, LIKE A POSTHUMOUS RECOGNIZING JOHN. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION, [00:05:01] BUT THAT INFORMATION WAS ABOUT HIS WHOLE LIFE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THAT. THAT WOULD BE MORE ABOUT LIKE THAT DEDICATION YEAH. THAT, THAT SPACE AND HOW THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WAS WHAT HE ENVISIONED AND, AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF HE DID IT ON PURPOSE OR NOT, BUT I LIKE THAT IDEA OF HOW YOU PUT IT RIGHT HERE BY THE LIGHT. 'CAUSE THAT IS, IT KINDA HELPS TO, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. YOU READ IT. I LIKE OUT SPAC LIKE THAT TOO. I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT BRUCE SAID TOO. I THINK IT'S A GOOD, GOOD IDEA TO PUT MAYBE EVEN THAT PICTURE OF HIM WHEN HE WAS THE MAYOR. I MEAN, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT'S HIS MAYOR PORTRAIT. I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT A SIGN. I THINK PEOPLE WERE THINKING JUST A PLAQUE. MM-HMM. . BUT SINCE WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH A DIFFERENT THING, YOU'D HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD A PICTURE OF HIM TO MAYBE ADD SOME, YOU KNOW, A PICTURE OF WHAT IT MIGHT HAVE LOOKED LIKE. 'CAUSE HONESTLY, SOME PEOPLE PROBABLY FORGET WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE THE GAZEBO WENT UP AND, YOU KNOW. YEAH. I, I, YOU KNOW, A A PLAQUE IS WONDERFUL AND WE CAN CERTAINLY GO THAT DIRECTION IF THAT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE PROVIDING THAT HISTORICAL CONTEXT FOR THE FIGURE AS WELL AS FOR THE SPACE, I, I THINK THAT MAKES, I THINK THAT PROVIDES THE MOST VALUE IN MY OPINION. WELL, IT EDUCATES PEOPLE, WHICH IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING A NAME, KNOWING WHERE IT CAME FROM. SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER INPUT ON THAT? NO, I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. THAT'S WHAT WE, I THINK COLLECTIVELY ENVISIONED. SO, SO MOVING FORWARD, I GUESS THE IDEA NOW LIZZIE HAS BECOME YOUR PROJECT, THEN I GUESS I THINK THIS WOULD BE A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN MYSELF AND PUBLIC WORKS. OKAY. SO, SO YOU'RE GONNA GATHER UP WHAT YOU WANT THAT TO LOOK LIKE AND OR WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE PLAQUE. SO I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A STEP FIRST AS MAYOR. I'M NOT SURE. JOE, DO YOU WANNA TOUCH ON THAT? YOU LOOK LIKE YOU MAY HAVE WANTED TO WRITE DOWN? NO, I, I JUST WANTED TO RELAY THAT WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A SPRING EXECUTION OF THIS. WE'RE GONNA DO THIS MOST LIKELY IN HOUSE AND IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO PROVE THE, THE MATERIAL AND STUFF. BUT THAT'S OUR VISION IN THE SPRING BREAK. OKAY. AND THE WEATHER WILL BE NICE. YEAH. TO DO. UN YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD THING. ABSOLUTELY. I WAS GONNA SAY, I'M TRYING TO THINK. WELL THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN THE SPRING, BUT THERE'S EARTH DAY, THERE'S THE WINE. I DON'T EVEN, THEY CALL IT NOW DO THEY CALL IT NOW THE WINE, WINE CRAFT DAY. WINE AND CRAFT DAY MUSHROOM FESTIVAL. ANYWAY. SO NONE OF THIS WILL HAPPEN WITHOUT YOU ALL KNOWING WHERE WE ARE ON THE PROJECT. UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAD ENVISIONED KIND OF AS A TEAM. WE CAME TOGETHER AND FIGURED THAT WE COULD MAKE THAT WORK WITH A LOT OF MATERIALS WE ALREADY HAVE. GREAT. WELL THAT'S GREAT. I THINK IT IS WORTH SAYING, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T WANNA GET TOO MUCH IN THERE HISTORY THERE, I THINK IT IS VALUABLE TO SAY, UM, SOMETHING THAT AROUND, HE WENT TO SCHOOL HERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE WAS A SPORTS HERO HERE. HE WAS, UM, NOT JUST HERE. I BELIEVE HE WAS IN THE STATE HALL. HIM AS WELL. HE FOUR YEAR STARTER. HE ACTUALLY, HE WAS ACTUALLY A STARTER AT UVA ON TWO, TWO DIFFERENT SPORTS. A NICE LOOKING GUY. YEAH. AND, UM, I MEAN, I JUST THINK YOU SHOULD SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE A HOMETOWN GUY THAT, YOU KNOW, GREW UP HERE AND CONTRIBUTED BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. WE WILL DEFINITELY WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH HIS FAMILY TO COME UP WITH THAT LANGUAGE. ABSOLUTE. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL I'LL TAKE. I KNOW YOU GUYS GOT A FULL AGENDA. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR, UM, COMING UP WITH THE IDEA AND THE SPACE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. EXCUSE ME. ONLY YEAH, LIZZIE BRUCE IS OFFERING, NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE SPORTS PEOPLE, BUT HE'S ALSO ON THE ONLY UNDEFEATED FOOTBALL TEAM FOR BOARD COUNTY. AH, OKAY. WAS HE THAT HAD TO THAT? NO, I LOVE THAT. YEAH. HOLD HIM BACK. I, THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. NEW BUSINESS A MICHELLE, I BELIEVE YOU GET TO BE UP FOR THE NEXT COUPLE. THE FIRST ONE IS A TASK ORDER FOR ADDITIONAL DAM EVALUATION TASKS AND TO ACQUIRE AN OPERATION MAINTENANCE CERTIFICATE. YOU CAN TELL I BEEN TIME AROUND FIFTH GRADERS ALL DAY, RIGHT. SOON. LESS SAID IT. NO, IT IS AND I THINK IT'S HARD TO STAY THERE. UH, SO COUNSEL HAS REQUESTED TO APPROVE A TASK ORDER FOR POTA ENGINEERING IN THE AMOUNT OF 101 $101,000. 101, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? 1,100 TO PERFORM ADDITIONAL DAM EVALUATION TASKS AND TO ACQUIRE AN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE CERTIFICATE WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND REC RECREATION. THE TOWN'S 9.1 MILLION GALLON WATER TREATMENT PLANT RESERVOIR FALLS UNDER THE STATE DAM REGULATIONS BECAUSE THE HEIGHT ON ONE SIDE EXCEEDS 25 FEET. UM, FUNDS WERE PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR WATER PLANT RESERVOIR REPAIRS AND WERE SET ASIDE ON TOWN PURCHASE ORDER UNDER THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT PROFESSIONAL [00:10:01] SERVICES ACCOUNT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. CAMPBELL OR, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS. I CAN ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ALREADY. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, IF NOT, UM, HAS ANY QUESTIONS. SO WE, I'M SORRY IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED, I MEAN, I'M GONNA, YEAH, I TRUST THAT STAFF KNOWS WHAT WE NEED AND THAT WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT CONTRACT. UM, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT IS OPPOSED TO ADDING THIS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? BECAUSE IT'S $101,000. OKAY. I HAVE TO CONSENT. ALL RIGHT. CONSENT. IT IS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DON'T MOVE. GOTCHA. ANOTHER ONE. MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT ONE IS THREE B. THREE B COUNSEL IS REQUESTED TO APPROVE A TASK ORDER FOR CHA ENGINEERING AND THE AMOUNT OF $272,700 FOR THE PERFORMANCE OF THE SANITARY SEWER FLOW MONITORING PROGRAM FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH OF 2024. THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN EXCEEDED 95% OF THE FACILITY DESIGN CAPACITY TRIGGERING A NEED FOR A REOPENER PLAN OF ACTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN'S ASSOCIATED V-P-D-E-S PERMIT. PUBLIC WORKS HAS DIRECTED CHA TO PREPARE A SYSTEM-WIDE SANITARY SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM FLOW MONITORING PLAN THAT ACCOMMODATES THE B-P-D-E-S PERMIT REQUIREMENTS AND SUPPORTS DOCUMENTATION OF THE TOWN'S INFLOW AND INFILTRATION MITIGATION PROGRAM. FURTHERMORE, THE TOWN HOPES THAT THE SANITARY SEWER FLOW MONITORING WILL ASSIST THE TOWN IN HAVING THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY'S CONSENT ORDER REMOVED FROM THE TOWN, UH, FUNDS PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR I AND I ABATEMENT PROJECTS AND WERE SET ASIDE ON A PURCHASE ORDER UNDER THE SEWER MAINTENANCE. AND I, I ABATEMENT ACCOUNTS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? IT'S ALL THIS TOO, BUT WE ALL RIGHT. IT JUST EVEN MORE 10 OR 72,000. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH ADDING THAT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? WELL, THEY, THERE'S 400 OVER 400,000 STOLEN. NO, I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE SOMETIMES, UM, SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT LARGE THING, LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY BEING UNDER CONSENT AGENDA WITHOUT SOME EXPLANATION. BUT I FEEL LIKE THE SUMMARY ITSELF, THAT NIGHT ON THE AGENDA WILL TELL THE TABLE AND THE INI ABATEMENT PLAN WAS IN EFFECT MY FIRST TERM WHEN I WAS COMING INTO COUNCIL. WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT AND HOPEFULLY THE CONSENT WILL, AND THE GOOD THING HERE IS, IS THAT THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SHOW US, HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT THAT $2 MILLION WE'VE INVESTED OVER THE YEARS IN OUR I NINE. YEP. I'M GOOD WITH. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE, SO WE'RE GOOD CONSENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TO GET YEAH, I KNOW, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT BEEN HANGING AROUND. ALRIGHT, NEXT IS THREE C MR. WILSON, THIS IS THE BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE HALEEN STORM RECOVERY MUTUAL AID REIMBURSEMENT. CORRECT. SO THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SERVICES, UH, SOME STAFF MEMBERS AND EQUIPMENT DOWN TO HELP OUT WITH STORM RECOVERY EFFORTS, UH, FOR THE TROPICAL STORM. AND WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS, IS FOR COUNCIL TO, UH, INCREASE THE REVENUE, UH, FOR THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RECEIVING FROM THE OTHER LOCALITIES, AS WELL AS INCREASING THE EXPENDITURES THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UM, UH, WITH OUR STAFF MEMBERS GOING DOWN THE DOWNTOWN, UH, 50 AND FOUR, $55,226 AND 50 CENTS. UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? SO WE'RE JUST, BASICALLY IT'LL JUST BE TO ACCEPT THE MONEY. CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. I MEAN, YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANSWERED THIS. I JUST WONDERING, I MEAN, I KNOW WE WENT DOWN TO HELP THESE FOLKS OUT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I, WE WERE SENDING 'EM A BILL, BUT ARE THEY GETTING ANY, I MEAN, DO, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE GETTING ANY KIND OF FUNDING BACKED UP FROM THIS? I MEAN, I ASSUME THAT INSURANCE IS PAYING SOME OF THEM. IT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR CERTAIN, BUT I WOULD ASSUME I'LL BE GOING AFTER FEMA MONEY MOST LIKELY. OH, GOOD. OKAY. NEVERMIND. NOT GET ANYTHING THEN. GOT IT. OKAY. UM, AND SO THAT WILL ALSO BE ON CONSENT, RIGHT? YES, WE CAN. THAT CAN BE ON CONSENT. MM-HMM. , ANYBODY OPPOSED TO IT BE ON CONSENT? NO. NO. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP THEN, IS THE, UM, BUDGET AMENDMENT TO RECEIVE FUNDS FROM BURSA FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF A PEDESTRIAN PROJECT AND CAMERA GPS SYSTEM FOR SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT. UH, CORRECT. KIND OF THE SAME, UH, SCENARIO HERE. WE'RE, UH, WANTING TO INCREASE THE REVENUES, UH, BY THE, UH, $5,000 TO RECEIVE THE FUNDS AND THEN, UM, UH, PUT THAT OFF TO THE ASSOCIATED [00:15:01] EXPENSES, UH, $3,000 OF IT BEING USED, UH, FOR THE, UH, SOLID WASTE COMPUTER LICENSING, UH, FOR THE CAMERA SYSTEM. UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE MAINTENANCE ON THE, UH, CAMERA SYSTEMS. NO ADDITIONAL FUNDS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THAT. THERE'LL BE A CAMERA SYSTEM AND GPS AND THEN ALSO $2,000, UH, FOR A, A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THERE. UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I'VE GOT A, UM, MAN IN CHARGE AND RISK ASSESSMENT HERE, JOSE, HERE WITH ME TO HELP ANSWER ANYTHING THAT COME UP AS WELL. UH, THE HARDWARE BJ MM-HMM. , I MEAN, I KNOW I DO, I DO CAMERAS AND LICENSE AND I SEE ZEROS ON THE HARDWARE. I MEAN, I GUESS, SO THE, UH, THIS IS TO COVER THE LICENSING, THE HARDWARE. HOW MUCH DOES THE HARDWARE ? UM, THE CAMERAS THEMSELVES? YEAH, THEY, THE ALL CANS ARE 5,500 FOR THE CAMERAS THEMSELVES. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS WANTING TO KNOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CAMERAS, ? UH, IT'S SEVEN TRUCKS. IS THAT RIGHT? FIVE TRUCKS. FIVE TRUCKS. I APOLOGIZE. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? THAT WOULD ALSO BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IF, UNLESS THERE'S A MAJORITY OPPOSED TO THAT. NO. OKAY. ALL PROBABLY. THEN NEXT ITEM, WHICH WILL BE THE LARGEST TONIGHT DISCUSSION. MAYBE, MAYBE NOT . UM, . I AM THREE E. SO, UM, UH, CARRY OVER. YEAH. FISCAL, UH, IT SAYS FISCAL YEAR 24. BUDGET AMENDMENT. IT'S ACTUALLY FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET AMENDMENTS. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE OUTSTANDING PURCHASE ORDERS. IT'S TO CARRY OVER, UH, THE REMAINING BALANCES ON PURCHASE ORDERS FOR, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE'D SET ASIDE IN THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR. UM, WE'RE WANTING TO CARRY THESE FUNDS FORWARD. UM, MANY OF THE PROJECTS, UH, ARE, UH, PROJECTS THAT, UH, COUNCILS HAVE HAS ALREADY APPROVED. UH, SOME OF THEM ARE SEED MONEY THAT WE'VE SET ASIDE FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS. UH, A FEW THINGS, UH, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, UH, JUST WE'LL GO DOWN FROM THE, UH, UH, FROM THE TOP DOWN TO THE, UNDER THE SPECIAL PROJECTS. THERE IS, UM, $686,000, UH, OUTSTANDING ON THERE. UH, WOOD, UH, REQUESTING IS, UH, IT'S MOVED $220,000 OF THAT OVER TO PAVING FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS AND FLEET MAINTENANCE, UH, UH, BUILDING. UM, WE HAD SOME MONEY THAT HAS BEEN SET ASIDE FOR THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING FOR PAVING, UH, JUST KIND OF AROUND THE BUILDING THERE. UH, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS, THE $220,000 OVER, UH, FOR THE PAVING. AND THEN WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR THE REMAINING OF THOSE FUNDS IS, UH, TO, UH, SET THOSE ASIDE, UH, IN CASE, UH, PROJECT COSTS COME BACK. IN ADDITION FOR THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE AND PROSPECT STREET BRIDGE, UM, THESE FUNDS, UH, WERE SET PREVIOUSLY SET ASIDE FOR THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT, DEBT SERVICE, UH, TO THE WARREN COUNTY EDA. UM, THE, UH, CASES THERE HAVE BEEN NOT SUITED, NOT SUITED, JUST WORD. OKAY. UH, SO RIGHT. IT'S NOT SUITED IN THAT WAY, THE WORD WE USED. YES. UH, SO, UM, THE, UH, UH, SO YEAH, THAT'S, UM, KIND OF WHERE WE'RE HEADING WITH THAT. I, THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE, UH, THE BID FOR THAT IS OUT ON THE STREET NOW. UH, WE JUST HAD THE PRE-BID MEETING ON THAT. UM, THE, UH, AND THE BIDS ARE DUE BACK, MICHELLE, HELP ME OUT. DECEMBER 8TH, EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE. YES. DECEMBER 12TH. DECEMBER 12TH. DECEMBER 12TH. SO WE WILL HAVE A FINAL FIGURE ON, UH, EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE HERE IN DECEMBER 12TH. AND THEN, UH, PROSPECT HERE, UM, MOVING FORWARD, OF COURSE, UH, THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT, UH, NEXT THING THERE, THE FLEET MAINTENANCE. HEY, I'M SORRY. SORRY. I TOLD YOU AHEAD. I WARNED YOU. GO AHEAD. ASK QUESTION. GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO BASICALLY OUT OF THIS 686,000, UM, 220 OF IT, THERE, THE REQUEST IS TO MOVE THAT TO PAVING OF PUBLIC WORKS. AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, 466,000 MM-HMM. ARE YOU SAYING THE, THE FOUR 66,000? THE SUGGESTION WILL BE TO GO TO SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS, RIGHT. TO, UH, LET IT SIT THERE UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE OTHER THINGS, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOTCHA. YOU KNOW WHERE THEY COME IN AT? GOTCHA. I TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF A CUSHION. SO THE REPAYMENT OF WEST MAIN, LIKE THE VDOT GRANT AND STUFF, OKAY. YEAR TWO OF THREE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CARRYING FOR. WE HAVE THE THIRD YEAR FISCAL FOR YEAR 25. OKAY. SO WE'LL HAVE ALL THE FUNDS SET ASIDE TO REPAY THE VDOT FOR THE WEST MAIN CONNECTION. SO BY JULY ONE, THE JULY 1ST, 2025, JULY 1ST, 2024, UH, THAT'S ONE OUR, OUR CURRENT BUDGET WENT INTO EFFECT. YEAH. BUT I'M SAYING BY JUNE, JUNE 30TH, 2025, IT'LL BE DONE. WE WILL BE DONE SETTING MONEY ASIDE FOR THAT. YES, MA'AM. ASSUMING THEY ASK US FOR THE MONEY BACK. THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. THAT EXACTLY. WE CROSS OUR FINGERS THAT THEY FORGET. BUT ANYWAY, SO, ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S, SO, AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE WON'T HAVE TO SET THAT 200 AND SOME THOUSAND ASIDE EACH YEAR. CORRECT. [00:20:01] OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO, YEAH, SORRY, KEEP GOING. SORRY. UH, THE NEXT ONE I WAS GOING TO, UH, POINT OUT HERE IS, UH, THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING. UH, THE, SO WE HAVE, UM, UH, INCLUDED, UH, IS $81,505 AND 74 CENTS, UH, THAT WE'RE REALLOCATING UP, UH, OR WOULD LIKE TO REALLOCATE UP, UH, FROM THE TOWN ATTORNEYS, UH, UH, PURCHASE ORDERS THERE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE PAGE UNDER THE TOWN ATTORNEY, WE'RE RELEASING THE, UH, LEGAL FEES, UH, THAT WE HAD SET ASIDE, UH, FOR THE EDA, UH, OR SOME OF THEM, NOT ALL OF 'EM WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING $70,000 SET ASIDE, UH, BUT WE'RE, UM, UH, MOVING $81,000 UP. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ON PAVING, I BELIEVE IS, WAS ROUGHLY $455,000 IN TOTAL. UH, AND THAT WOULD DO THE ENTIRE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS COMPLEX. LAST TIME THE PAVING WAS DONE ON THAT WAS, UM, UH, BEEN TOTALED OVER 30 YEARS AGO. SO IT WOULD BE THE 205,000 LEFT OVER FROM FLEET MAINTENANCE PLUS THE 220,000 THAT IS FROM THE DEBT SERVICE, THE $205,000 THERE THAT WE HAVE. UM, UH, SOME OF THAT'S STILL TO, UH, THE LAST REMAINING PAYMENTS TO LANCE CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. AND WE ALSO HAVE A LIFT, UH, THAT WE'RE ORDERING, AND THEN SOME, UH, A COUPLE LITTLE ODDS AND ENDS. NO, NOTHING MAJOR. THOSE ARE THE MAJOR ITEMS. SO A LIFT, THE REMAINING PAYMENTS TO LANCE CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, FUNDS LEFT OVER FOR PAVING. OKAY. I, I NEED, WANT GO BACK TO WEST MAIN FOR A SECOND. SURE. UM, IS THERE LIKE A RULE ABOUT LIKE HOW LONG YOU WOULD WAIT? IT'S GONNA BE DOT'S GONNA BE BEHIND IN REQUESTING THE MONEY IF THEY EVER REQUEST IT. SO HOW LONG DO YOU GIVE IT BEFORE IT'S CONSIDERED ? HERE'S THE THING IS THAT THEY SHOULD BE REQUESTING IT HERE ANYTIME ORIGINALLY, THESE FUNDS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE RELEASED, OR I'M SORRY, THEY WERE, UH, THE CAPITAL OUTLAY AND THE PROJECT NEEDED TO BE COMPLETED. UM, RIGHT AROUND THE TIME OF COVID. UH, VDOT DID EXTEND THAT OUT, UM, UNTIL, I BELIEVE IT'S 20, 25, 26, SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA. I DON'T KNOW IT OFF, I DON'T REMEMBER IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THEY EXTENDED IT OUT. SO THE MONEY IS GONNA BE COMING, UH, DUE. UM, AND, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH ON IT. OKAY. SO I'LL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL WITH AN UPDATE HERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. BUT JUST TO CLARIFY FOR PEOPLE THAT, THAT MONEY IS, BECAUSE WE RECEIVED A GRANT FROM BOT AND IT WAS TIED TO PARAMETERS THAT THE WARREN COUNTY EDA HAD TO ABOUT, BASICALLY PARAMETERS THAT THEY THEN CHANGED FOR ONE OF THE, UM, BUSINESSES OUT THERE. AND WHEN THEY CHANGED THOSE PARAMETERS, WE LOST THE GRANT. SO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL HAS TO PAY BACK THAT GRANT MONEY BECAUSE OF THAT. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHY THIS MONEY, THIS, UM, IT'LL BE SIX OVER 600,000 BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE. RIGHT. I THINK, OR CERTAIN. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE'RE, WE HAVE TO PAY THAT BACK BECAUSE OF A DECISION MADE ON THEIR END. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ALONG. SORRY. MOVING ALONG. UM, AND THEN, UH, DOWN HERE UNDER TOURISM, THE GREEN HIGHLIGHTED AREA. SO THE, UH, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS, UH, TAKE THE, UH, THE FUNDS FROM THE CARRY OVER TOURISM FUNDS THAT WE'VE, UH, BEEN CARRYING FORWARD FOR A FEW YEARS THERE AND REALLOCATE THOSE TO THE VARIOUS PROJECTS. UH, SO WE HAVE $5,000 GOING TO BANNERS FOR MAIN STREET AND ROYAL AVENUE, UH, VEHICLE BRAND WRAPPING FOR $3,000 INFLUENCE TOUR PROJECT, UH, $15,000 TOURISM VIDEO COMMERCIAL PROJECT, $12,000, UH, VISITOR CENTER RENOVATIONS, $85,000. AND THEN VISITOR CENTER OUTDOORS SIGN REPLACEMENT FOR $85,000. UH, I'M SORRY, 85,000, I APOLOGIZE. $5,000. UM, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS ON THAT, BUT I DO HAVE MS. LEWIS HERE TO HELP ME OUT IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. , WHAT'S THAT? OH, I WAS GONNA SAY, THAT SIGN MUST HAVE FLASHING LIGHTS OR SOMETHING. NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. BRUCE . UH, SO WE'LL MOVE ALONG HERE TO, I'M SORRY, THE, WE COVERED THE, KIND OF COVERED THE TOWN OF TURNING THERE. SO ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN PLANNED FOR THOSE, THE THINGS AND THE LIGHT GREEN OR ANTICIPATED TO BE PLANNED FOR. WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, UH, WE'RE MOVING IF WE, YES, IF IF APPROVED, THEY ARE, UH, PLANNED. UM, THE, UH, SO THEN WE'LL MOVE OVER HERE TO THE NEXT PAGE. UH, SO UNDER PLANNING AND ZONING THERE, UH, WE'RE WANTING TO, UH, TRANSFER THE FUNDS UP, UH, FROM THE STANDARD [00:25:01] STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS, UH, FOR THE 19,284. MOVE THAT UP TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SUBDIVISION, UH, ORDINANCE REWRITE, UM, AS TO HOPEFULLY GIVE US ENOUGH FUNDS TO, UH, COMPLETE THE, UH, SUBDIVISION REWRITE, SUBDIVISION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SPENT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON THAT. AND, UM, WANTING TO, UH, FINISH UP THE, UH, AND THEN NEXT PAGE HERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SERVICES. UH, WENT TO TRANSFER, TRANSFER MONEY MONEY UP FROM A REPLACEMENT OF THE BUCKET TRUCK, UH, 3 47. WE HAD $32,000 LEFT OVER FROM THAT, FROM THE OUTFITTING OF THE TRUCK. WE, UH, DID REPLACE THE, UH, THE TRUCK WANTING TO MOVE THOSE FUNDS UP TO MOVE ALONG THE REPLACEMENT OF A 2017 FORD, UH, F FIVE 50, UH, NUMBER 360 4. UH, SO THAT WOULD GIVE US A TOTAL OF $71,000, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE 2017 FORD. AND THEN WE SELL THAT, RIGHT? YES. OR, OR KEEP IT IN ON, UH, IT COULD BE REPURPOSED, DEPENDING IF THERE'S A USE FOR IT. I BELIEVE THAT ONE'S ONE WITH UTILITY BODY ON IT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD RIGHT. UH, MIGHT BE ABLE TO REUSE THE CHASSIS. I DON'T KNOW. UM, UM, I HAVEN'T DUG INTO THAT ONE YET TOO MUCH. GOTCHA. UM, AND THAT'S A SUMMARY OF ALL THE CHANGES. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE CHANGES OR ANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS AS BEST I CAN. UM, BUT WE WOULD, WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IS, UM, UH, BECAUSE THIS EXCEEDS, UH, MORE THAN 1% OF OUR TOTAL BUDGET, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER. AND THEN, UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF SOMETHING WE DO EVERY YEAR, AS YOU GUYS PROBABLY REMEMBER, DON'T IT LAST YEAR OR IN PREVIOUS YEARS. BUT IT IS, UH, KIND OF A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM THAT WE HAVE TO DO. SO OUR, UM, MEETING IN DECEMBER IS DECEMBER 9TH, I THINK, RIGHT? CORRECT. MM-HMM. . SO WE WOULD'VE A WORK SET, WE WOULD'VE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT THAT NIGHT. BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? NOW? OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY BJ'S AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THESE THINGS BEFORE, BUT, UM, I, I, MAYBE I HEARD IT WRONG, BUT, UH, WAS THERE A TOTAL OF 400, 400,000 FOR, TO DO THE COMPLETE PAVING OF THE PUBLIC WORKS THAT THE ENTIRE FACILITY, AND EXACTLY. CAN YOU JUST SUMMARIZE ONCE AGAIN WHERE, WHERE THAT MONEY IS BEING MOVED? SO IT IS COMING FROM, WE ADDED AS, UH, SET IN THE SPEC UNDER THE SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND, UH, SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND, UH, INCLUDED. THERE WAS THE VERY, UH, TOP OF THE FIRST PAGE OF THE CARRYOVER PURCHASE ORDERS THERE. UM, AND, UH, WE HAD PREVIOUSLY SET THOSE FUNDS ASIDE, UH, TO PAY, UM, DEBT SERVICE, UH, ON THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, WHERE WE HAD THE, UH, WE'RE SUPPOSEDLY GETTING THE NEW MARKET TAX CREDIT AND, UM, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. AND, OKAY. THAT WAS THE 220,000? YEAH, THE, WELL, WE WERE TAKING IT OUTTA THE $686,000 THERE. OKAY. TAKING IT, UH, TAKING IT FROM THERE, WHICH WOULD, UH, BRING IT DOWN TO ROUGHLY $420,000. OKAY. UH, BUT WE TRANSFER THAT TO THE GENERAL FUND TO BE USED FOR, UH, PAVING OF THE PUBLIC WORKS. OKAY. BJ, UNDER INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, I KNOW WE'RE NOT MOVING ANYTHING THERE, BUT WHERE IT SAYS, SOFTWARE CONSULTED NEW FINANCIAL BILLING SYSTEM. MM-HMM. . AND THERE'S STILL 61,000. IS THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT THERE BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE MORE MONEY THAT NEEDS TO BE? THAT IS ACTUALLY THE MONEY. WE AWARDED A CONTRACT TO BARRY DUNN, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD WITH BARRY DUNN. MM-HMM. , UH, WE ACTUALLY RELEASED THE RFP FOR OUR SOFTWARE SERVICES, UH, LAST WEEK, MICHELLE. OKAY. UM, AND THAT'S DUE BACK IN JANUARY. SO THAT IS ACTUALLY JUST THE CONSULTANT. UM, ANNUALLY, WE, WE PAY, UM, UH, ANNUALLY WE PAY, UH, UH, ROUGHLY, ACTUALLY IT'S UPWARD OF PROBABLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST IN SOFTWARE FOR OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM, OUR TAX SYSTEM, UM, AND OTHER, OTHER, OTHER SYSTEMS. SO IT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING. UM, BARRY DUNN HAS BEEN EXCELLENT WITH US. THEY'VE BROUGHT IN EXPERTS TO WORK WITH US, UH, BUT TO REALLY DIAL IN WHAT WE NEED NOW AND WHAT WE CAN, UH, HAVE ROOM TO GROW FOR THE FUTURE. UM, AND IT'LL ENCOMPASS, UH, UTILITY BILLING, A MI, UM, TAXES, PERSONAL PROPERTY, REAL ESTATE TAXES. UH, WARREN COUNTY'S LOOKING TO MOVE THERE, UH, SOFTWARE AS WELL. UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM SO WE CAN DO OUR TAX BILLING. RIGHT. UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF INDICIES. I, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY HOURS STAFF HAS SPENT WORKING WITH THIS CONSULTANT, . UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S WELL WORTH IT. BUT, UH, THAT IS JUST FOR THE CONSULTANT. AND JUST, UH, CURIOSITY. WILL WE EVER BE IN A POSITION WHERE PEOPLE [00:30:01] CAN PAY THEIR ELECTRIC BILL ONLINE, LIKE AN ONLINE BILL PAY VERSUS, UH, USING A CREDIT CARD BOARD? THAT'S THE GOAL. . WELL, WE'RE WORKING, UH, JUST BECAUSE THAT STILL BE, PEOPLE WOULD STILL ASK ME ABOUT LIKE THAT. AND I TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT IT'S ALL BASED ON THE SYSTEM. AND I KNOW THE COUNTY'S GOING THROUGH THAT WITH THEIR TAX PART TOO, IS THAT PEOPLE WANNA DO THIS AND THEY CAN'T DO THIS. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE EXPLORING WITH THE CONSULTANT. WHAT OPTIONS DO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AVAILABLE? WHAT OPTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUT THERE? WHAT'S THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT MAY BE COMING DOWNLINE. YEAH. THAT MAY BE COMING DOWN. UM, AND THEY'VE BROUGHT A LOT TO OUR ATTENTION. UM, A HUGE, YEAH. E CHECK. YEAH. UM, BUT, UH, AND THEN THE SERVICES AT W-C-P-S-B, WHAT IN THE, I'VE LOOKED AT THAT. CHARLES SERVICES AT W-C-P-S-B 200 SKY, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT I JUST, SO WHAT WE PAID FOR WARREN COUNTY IS THAT WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL. $6,118 IS THAT CAROUSEL? THAT WAS THE CAROUSEL TO GET THE MICROWAVE TOWER CONNECTION WORKING. OKAY. UM, IT'S, UH, FOR THE COMMUNICATION. RIGHT. GOTCHA. ALL I JUST SAW WCP AND THAT WAS LIKE, THAT'S SCHOOL BOARD. UM, SO I WAS LIKE, WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE WE, OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE THERE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT? AND YOU'LL, AND YOU'LL, AND YOU'LL HAVE TIME. YEAH. STILL TO ASK. I MEAN, LITERALLY TILL DECEMBER NIGHT. AND THEN THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY'LL PROBABLY ASK QUESTIONS TOO. BUT ANYWAY, BUT I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUGGESTIONS. 'CAUSE ANYTIME WE CAN, YOU KNOW, USE THE MONEY TO GO TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING APPRECIATE THAT. THREE F ALSO ANOTHER BIGGIE. BUT, BUT ALL BROUGHT ABOUT BY CODE. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, LET'S SEE HERE. OKAY. UH, SO, UH, UPDATE TO THE TOWN ORDINANCE FOR 1 34 71. UTILITY ACCOUNTS, DEPOSITS, PAYMENTS, AND TERMINATIONS OF SERVICE. UH, THIS GOES BACK TO LEGISLATION, UH, THAT, UH, UH, THE COMMONWEALTH, THE VIRGINIA ENACTED EFFECTIVE, UH, JULY 1ST. UH, PRETTY MUCH CHANGING UP, UH, HOW I PROCEED PROCEDURALLY, UH, WE CAN DISCONNECT, UH, FOR NONPAYMENT ON UTILITIES, UH, UTILITIES, ELECTRIC, UH, AND WATER SERVICES. UH, WHAT THEY BROUGHT IN. SOME OF THE BIG, UH, UH, ITEMS WERE, UH, LISTED IN THE ORDINANCES THERE. UM, NOW THAT I'VE ATTACHED. BUT, UH, BEING, UH, DURING CERTAIN TEMPERATURES, WE CANNOT DISCONNECT SERVICES. UH, WHEN THE TEMPERATURE IS ABOVE, UH, X AMOUNT OR BELOW X AMOUNT, WE CAN'T DISCONNECT. UH, AND DIFFERENT TEMPERATURES FOR THE DIFFERENT UTILITIES. SO ELECTRIC AND WATER AND DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT UTILITIES. THERE ALSO CHANGED TO, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WAS, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TIME, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, THE TOWN'S ORDINANCE WAS, IS THAT, UH, WE WOULD DISCONNECT SERVICES IF, UH, FOR NONPAYMENT. IF WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE PAYMENT WITHIN 10 DAYS AFTER THE BILL'S DUE. UH, NOW, UM, WE HAVE TO ALLOW 45 DAYS. UM, ALONG WITH THAT, WE HAVE TO POST, UH, SOME OF THE NOTIFICATIONS IN SPANISH. UM, I HAVE MY STAFF WORKING ON IN SPANISH. I DID NOT INCLUDE THE SPANISH VERSIONS. UH, 'CAUSE WE, UM, WERE WORKING ON GETTING THIS PUT TOGETHER. UH, BUT BY THE TIME, UH, WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I WILL HAVE THE SPANISH VERSIONS AVAILABLE INCLUDE IN PACKET. UH, WE'LL HAVE THOSE POSTED. UH, AS WELL AS, UM, THE, LET'S SEE HERE, WE COVERED THE TEMPERATURES. UH, YOU CAN'T, UH, WE CAN'T DISCONNECT, UH, BEFORE OR AFTER HOLIDAYS. I'M SORRY. UH, YEAH. DAY BEFORE OR DAY AFTER A STATE HOLIDAY. UM, AND, UM, SORRY, THERE'S A LOT INTO THIS ONE. I GOTTA, FORGIVE ME HERE. I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. UM, OH, POLICY, POLICY VERSUS ORDINANCE. UH, SO THE, UM, UH, THE OTHER THING THAT THE CODE VIRGINIA REQUIRES IS THAT WE HAVE A POLICY, UM, UH, VERSUS HAVING IN THE ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S WHY THERE IS A SEPARATE POLICY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REQUESTING COUNSEL TO ADOPT AS WELL. UH, GOOD THING IS WITH THE POLICY THAT WE WILL HAVE THE POLICY THERE. UM, AND IF, UH, MOVING ALONG, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL, THIS IS NEW TO US, SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH EVERYTHING, BUT IF THERE WERE NEED TO BE A CHANGE, UH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE COME TO COUNCIL AND, UH, HAVE THE, UH, POLICY, UH, UPDATED. UH, THERE. UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER LITTLE, UH, TWEAKS AND THINGS, BUT I THINK I'VE COVERED ALL THE BIG TICKET ITEMS. UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GO DOWN INTO DETAIL. ANY ELSE THAT YOU LIKE? UH, THERE IS A LOT TOO. AND YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR FOUR MONTHS NOW. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. SURE. TINA, ON PAGE THREE, LEMME JUST START PAGE THREE OUT FOUR, WHERE IT'S NUMBER THREE, DISCONNECTION OF SERVICE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TYPE OVER, IT MAY NOT BE, BUT THE LAST WORD, VERY LAST WORD IS FINANCE, AND IT'S CAPITAL [00:35:01] F AND A CAPITAL Y FOR FINANCE. I DON'T, I'M JUST WRITING SOME MONEY KNOW. THAT'S PROBABLY ME. . WELL, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'LL DEPEND ON HOW, IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE COMPUTER PUTS IT UP THERE. RIGHT THERE. THAT SERVICE. IS IT IN THE ORDINANCE? YEAH. NOW I CAN TELL YOU, LARRY, I HAVE THE HYPER THAT'S THE HYPERLINK. AND ALL I DID WAS COPY THE HYPERLINK. SO IT'S PROBABLY LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO IT'S PROBABLY THAT IS THE HYPERLINK. OKAY. I GATHER THAT THE POLICY THAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN HAS TED BY COUNCIL, BY THE ATTORNEY. OH, YES. . SEVERAL SESSIONS. . ALL RIGHT. I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS. IT MAKES ME TOO PRETTY GOOD. UM, ALRIGHT, SO ON THIS, ON THE SERVICE DISCONNECTION, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, IT SAID THAT, UH, YOU WOULD GIVE PEOPLE'S DEPOSIT BACK, UM, UNLESS THERE WERE NO MORE THAN, UNLESS THEY HAD MORE THAN FOUR DELINQUENT PAYMENTS. AND MY QUESTION IS, SO, UM, IF THEY'VE HAD DELINQUENT PAYMENTS, AND THEN THEY USUALLY PAY A HIGHER, YOU KNOW, THEY PAY THE PENALTY OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . BUT IF THEY'VE GOT, IF THEY HAVE COMPLETELY SATISFIED ALL OF THEIR DEBTS, YOU STILL THINK IT, THEY SHOULD NOT GET ANY DEPOSIT BACK IF THEY POOR CUSTOMERS. IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY HAVE, THEY CONSISTENTLY PAID DELINQUENTLY, BUT AT THE END OF THEIR TIME, CAN THEY GET THEIR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT READS LIKE YOU CAN'T GET YOUR DEPOSIT BACK, UM, EVEN IF YOU PERMIT IT. YEAH. AND, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, ESPECIALLY MOVING. I WOULD LET IT REMAIN, UM, BECAUSE, UM, UH, THE, WE'RE MOVING TO 45 DAYS AND WE'RE GONNA SEE A CHANGE IN THAT. SO WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY GONNA BE ACCRUING TWO MONTH BILLS AT THAT POINT IN TIME. THE OTHER THING IS, IS WHEN YOU SEE OUR BAD DEBT COME UP, UH, THAT WE'RE WRITING OFF EVERY YEAR, A LOT OF THOSE CUSTOMERS ONE THAT FINAL BILL, THEY JUST UP AND LEAVE US. YEAH. UM, SO IF THEY WERE, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND LEAVING THAT. I MEAN, UH, COUNSEL CERTAINLY CAN CHANGE IT, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND LEAVING IT AS IS. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. UH, SORRY, ONE MORE THING ON THAT. YEAH. A FEW YEARS AGO, WE ACTUALLY DID CHANGE THE DEPOSITS. UM, I SAY A FEW YEARS AGO, PROBABLY BEEN CLOSER TO FIVE EIGHT. UM, AND WE DID CHANGE DEPOSITS AND WE HAD A HIGHER DEPOSIT. UH, AND UM, THAT WAS, UH, UH, WE HAD A, UH, UH, A LOT OF, UM, CUSTOMERS THAT COULDN'T COME UP WITH IT. SO WE DID LOWER THAT. WE DID REVISIT THIS. THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE IN EFFECT IS WORKING EFFICIENTLY ENFORCED RIGHT NOW, I DO BELIEVE. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, I WANTED, I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THIS AND I, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IT, BUT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT WHY. UM, YOU HAVE, LIKE THE ELECTRIC SERVICE, YOU HAD YOUR UPPER AND YOUR LOWER DEGREES, RIGHT? BUT IN WATER, IT WAS ONLY, YOU COULDN'T DISCONNECT IT IF IT'S ABOVE 92. SO YOU CAN'T, WHY NOT? WHEN IT'S FREEZING, THAT IS, UH, WHAT THE STATE CODE SAYS. WE TOOK IT DIRECTLY FROM THE STATE CODE. OKAY. UM, I WISH I HAD A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WAS BEHIND IT. UM, I FEEL THAT THIS WAS PASSED RATHER QUICKLY, UM, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION. UM, AND THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF FAULT PUT INTO IT. WE TRIED TO GIVE INPUT, RIGHT? YES. WE TRIED TO GIVE INPUT MANY A TIMES. WE TRIED TO GIVE INPUT TO THE LEGISLATURE ABOUT, ABOUT THIS. YOU, A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES TRIED TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS GONNA REALLY IMPACT US. AND YEAH, IT DIDN'T MATTER. UH, SO I WISH I HAD A BETTER ANSWER FOR YOU, BUT I'M SORRY, I DON'T. OH, WELL, . OKAY. THEN THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, I APPRECIATE THE THING ABOUT THE LANGUAGES FOR SPANISH, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS IN GENERAL, DO WE HAVE LIKE LANGUAGE LINES OR WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT OTHER LANGUAGES FOR THINGS LIKE THIS? SO I HAVE, UH, I HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN MY DEPARTMENT THAT ARE FLUENT IN SPANISH. UM, AND WE ACTUALLY, UH, WE IMPLEMENTED A PROGRAM FOR OUR, UH, EMPLOYEES THAT DO OUR BILINGUAL. UH, BUT WHAT ABOUT NOT SPANISH THOUGH? I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE, SOME OF THE OTHER LANGUAGES. SO LIKE THE TRANSLATOR LINES, UH, THERE IS TRANSLATOR LINES. I HAVEN'T ENCOUNTERED THAT. UH, SPANISH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE'VE REALLY ENCOUNTERED. UM, UH, I'VE BEEN WITH THE TOWN 17 YEARS AND SPANISH IS THE, THE ONE THAT COMES OUT. I, I HAVEN'T ENCOUNTERED MANY OF THE OTHER LANGUAGES, BUT IF IT WERE TO COME UP, WE COULD USE THE LANGUAGE LINE, I'M ASSUMING. BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE IT. WE JUST HAVEN'T, WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. YEAH, I DO BELIEVE WE DO. YES. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. OKAY. AND, AND AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS WHOLE THING AND THE SUMMARY AND STUFF, [00:40:01] KIND OF SCARY. YES, IT IS. IT'S ONLY BECAUSE I, THIS IS, I GUESS WHAT WILL THIS BE FOR ME? THE FIFTH YEAR THAT YOU HAD TO COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE ACCOUNTS THAT, THAT ARE SO PAST DUE. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING YEARS NOT LIKE PAST DUE A COUPLE MONTHS. I KNOW. I KNOW HOW MUCH WE'VE HAD TO WRITE OFF IN THE PAST. IT'S ABOUT 80,000, $90,000 A YEAR THAT WE WRITE OFF. YEAH. WE'VE, UH, IT'S ALREADY INCREASED HERE. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE GOING THROUGH, UH, THE WINTER WITH THESE NEW, UM, WITH THIS NEW LEGISLATION. UM, I DO ANTICIPATE THAT IT WILL, OUR BAD DEBT WILL INCREASE. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT, UH, UH, WE'VE REALLY, UH, OUR HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED ON WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO, MOVE FORWARD. , I, UM, I KNOW LIKE WE HAVE VML VIRGINIA MUNICIPALLY. SO DO YOU, DO YOU ALL HAVE AS LIKE A FINANCE DIRECTORS, LIKE A, UM, A GROUP OR A VOICE SO THAT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE END OF WINTER WE'RE LOOKING LIKE IT WON'T BE JUST US. I'M SURE IT'S LOTS OF LOCALITIES. IF WE, IF IF IT'S HAPPENING TO US, IT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING TO THEM, I WOULD PREDICT. RIGHT? MM-HMM. , WE'RE NOT IN THIS LITTLE, WELL LITTLE BUBBLE HERE, BUT IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, BECAUSE IT'S A SHORT SESSION FOR THE LEGISLATURE, IT'S NOT THE LONG SESSION. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE LOCALITIES COULD REACH OUT TO LEGISLATORS AND SAY JUST IN, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THIS FIRST YEAR, THE IMPACT IS ALREADY THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY? UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW. I'M, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, I FEEL LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, SOMETIMES PEOPLE MAKE THESE DECISIONS FROM ABOVE. THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY AWARE OF WHAT THE IMPACT IS TO THE LITTLE GUYS, WHICH I CONSIDER US THE LITTLE GUYS, RIGHT. UM, THAT, THAT BEFORE IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THAT, THAT WE TRY TO SAY TO THEM, HEY, HOLD ON, THIS ISN'T WORK AND Y'ALL, MAYBE NOT, MAYBE NOT FOUR, MAYBE NOT 10 DAYS, BUT MAYBE 25 DAYS OR DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK JOE? YEAH. UM, DURING THIS WHOLE PROCESS, UM, ALONG WITH BML, BUT ALSO WITH MEPA, IT'S AN ASSOCIATION WITH ELECTRIC MUNICIPALITIES IN VIRGINIA. WE LOBBIED AGAINST THIS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE INVESTOR OWNS AND COOPERATIVES WELCOME THIS NEW CHANGE. AND I DON'T KNOW THE A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND THIS, BUT THE IDEA IS TO PROTECT PEOPLE WHO CANNOT PAY THEIR UTILITY BILL AND DEBT A WINNER AND OF THAT SORT. SO THIS IS GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT RIGHT NOW, IT'S GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR BAD DEBT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THIS POLICY. BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'LL, WE'LL ADJUST OUR BUSINESS CASE FOR THIS AND, AND ADAPT. I DON'T REALLY THINK THIS IS GOING ANYWHERE. I I THINK THAT THAT, UM, THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO IT, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. LIKE NOT CUTTING OFF PEOPLE. I MEAN, I HAVE A HEART. I DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY. NO. I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT I I, YOU SEE IT IN OTHER THINGS. YOU SEE IT IN OTHER THINGS. IF, IF YOU, IF THAT'S NOT A PRIORITY, YOU KNOW? YEAH. THERE, THAT'S RIGHT. KINDERGARTEN GIVING MOUSE TELLS TO SUCK IT UP. YEAH. AND I, AND I JUST KNOW THAT REALLY WHAT THAT TURNS INTO IS THE REST OF THE CUSTOMERS HAVE TO SUCK IT UP. RIGHT? I MEAN, AM I WRONG? EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT'S HOW THAT GOES. OF COURSE. THAT'S REALLY THE, THAT'S THE WORLD, RIGHT? OR AT LEAST THE COUNTRY. UM, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL. THANKS JOE FOR OFFERING THAT. WHAT'S THE STATISTICAL PERCENTAGE OF BAD DEBT? SO OUR BAD DEBT PRIOR TO THIS, UH, WE WERE UM, RIGHT AROUND 1% OF BAD DEBT FOR OUR TOTAL ANNUAL, UM, BUDGET. UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT? I, I DON'T KNOW. STATISTICALLY, I, I WOULD PREDICT THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE MUCH MORE THAN THAT IF, I MEAN, I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE BECAUSE IN GENERAL, PE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO PAY, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO GET OVER. UM, OKAY. I MEAN, UH, I THINK HUMAN NATURE YES, MAJORITY, MAJORITY YOU, CORRECT. I WOULD SAY MAJORITY, BUT THE FEW BAD APPLES DO MAKE IT HARDER ON EVERYBODY ELSE. EVERY YEAR WE, WHEN WE WRITE OFF THIS DEBT, IT'S MORE THAN MUCH TO THINK JUST, YEAH. WELL WE HAD COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS THAT ABSOLUTELY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT WHEN I FIRST CAME ONTO COUNCIL. SO LAST YEAR TOO, RIGHT? ON SOME OF THEM. YEAH. SO WHAT'S INTERESTING IS WE ISSUE OVER 20 20%. WE SEND OUT DELINQUENT BELTS. THE SECOND NOTICE SAYING YOU HAVEN'T PAID IT IS OVER 20% EVERY MONTH. 20% OF OUR CUSTOMERS, 20% OF THE BILLS WE MAIL, WE HAVE TO MAIL AGAIN. UM, [00:45:01] IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE DISCONNECTING, IT'S JUST THEY'RE DELINQUENT, THEY'RE DE DELINQUENT. THE MAJORITY OF THEM GET AROUND THE PAIN, RIGHT? YOU NORMALLY WE'RE, WELL, WE'RE NOT DISCONNECTING NOW, BUT IT'S NORMALLY IN THE 3% RANGE. BUT, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE, WE'LL MAKE, UH, APPROXIMATELY THREE TO 400 PAYMENT AGREEMENTS EVERY MONTH. AND IT IS THE ACCESSIBILITY TOO. WHEN I MOVED FROM WARREN COUNTY WHERE I HAD RAPID ELECTRIC WITH AN APP ON MY PHONE THAT I COULD CONTROL EVERYTHING FROM TO THE TOWN WHERE I HAD TO BRING A CASH OR CHECK OR PAY 3% ON 400 PLUS DOLLARS A MONTH, LIKE, IT'S SO INCONVENIENT, ESPECIALLY WORKING OUT OF TOWN AND NOT BEING HERE TO GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH OR WHATEVER. SO THAT ACCESSIBILITY FACTOR IS A HUGE PART OF IT. IT'S JUST INCONVENIENT TO, WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. I MEAN, YEAH. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, HAVING MORE, HAVING MORE, IF I HAVE AN APP ON MY PHONE, I'M MORE INCLINED TO LIKE, TAKE CARE OF IT RIGHT AWAY THAN HAVING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE PAYMENT DOWN THERE AND THE BEST, THE BEST THING GOING, HUH? AND EACH CHECK OPTION OR SOME OTHER WAY. YEAH. THAT'S NOT SO HIGHLY PENALIZED. I, I WAS OPPOSED TO SUBSIDIZING THE COST FROM MY CAME COUNCIL UNDER A DIFFERENT MAYOR. WE HAD LOOKED AT AN OPTION TO ACCEPT E-PAYMENTS, BUT IT WAS GONNA BE SUBSIDIZED, WHICH MEANT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS GONNA PAY FOR IT. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DO DO CHECKS STILL. UM, AND I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF SUBSIDIZING THAT COST, BUT YEAH, IT'S UM, A CONVENIENCE FACTOR. IT'S THE BEST THING GOING, I'M TELLING YOU. 'CAUSE I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WAS ALWAYS DROPPING MY THING OFF AT THE LITTLE WINDOW ON THE DAY OF, YOU KNOW, I WAS, MY KIDS WHEN THEY WERE LITTLE, THEY LOVED PUTTING IT IN THE, IN THE LITTLE DROPBOX. UM, BUT IS YOU CAN SET UP THE AUTOMATIC WHERE IT AUTOMATICALLY TAKES IT OUTTA YOUR CHECKING ACCOUNT. I KNOW THAT NOT EVERYBODY LIKES THAT, BUT I NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING LATE BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN OUT AND I JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S TAKEN OUT LIKE TWO DAYS AFTER I GET PAID AND YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, THERE ARE OPTIONS. WE'VE HAD A SUBSTANTIAL UPTAKE IN THAT YEAH. OF THOSE SIGNING UP FOR IT PROBABLY. 'CAUSE I KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT. I EVEN TOLD PEOPLE AS I WAS TOUR KNOCKING WHEN THEY WOULD SAY THINGS ABOUT IT, YOU DO KNOW. THEY SAID, NO, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. AND I WAS LIKE, IT'S AVAILABLE. IT'S A GOOD, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY. ALRIGHT, BJ I GUESS THAT THAT IS ALSO GONNA BE, THAT'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING IN, UH, ONE DECEMBER, NINTH IN DECEMBER, AND THEN IT'LL ALSO BE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE POLICY. UH, SO WE'LL HAVE TO, ON THAT NIGHT, UH, APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AND APPROVE THE POLICY, UH, THE, UM, BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE DOES REFERENCE THE POLICY. OKAY. IT, I THINK IT, IT WILL BE IMPORTANT. I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT YOUR SUMMARY, BUT I MEAN, SOME OF THE STUFF IS NOT NEGOTIABLE. CORRECT. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TELL THE PUBLIC LIKE IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S NOT REALLY NOT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR, FOR THE ITEMS THAT ARE STATE LAW AND YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT. UHHUH . SO YEAH, OUR HANDS ARE ARE TIED IN SOME OF THESE MATTERS. CORRECT? YEAH. YEAH. IT IS. WHAT, YEAH, KINDA LIKE WHEN WE DO THE VEHICULAR THING EACH YEAR ON JULY ONE OR WHATEVER, IT'S LIKE WE DON'T, THAT COMES FROM THE STATE, WE JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW IT. SO, GOOD POINT. THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WITH THE SECONDARY LAWS AND STUFF, WHICH HAS CHANGED A LOT OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. ALL RIGHT, SO DECEMBER 9TH, IT'S GONNA BE A LONG NIGHT. WE, WE HAVE SOME OF THESE ARE CONSENT, BUT WE THAT'S TWO, THAT'S TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I THINK, AM I DONE? YEAH, I THINK YOU ARE. YES. YES. SO NEXT UP IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 1 3 2 WEST TRIER ROAD. OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, ON THIS ONE IN THE, ON THE COVER PAGE, IT SAYS 1 32 EAST. SO IF THAT GETS CARRIED OVER, IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO 1 32 WEST ON THE AGENDA. ON THE AGENDA STATEMENT, YEAH. I'LL CHANGE IT, BUT OKAY. I'LL MAKE SURE IT'S DEFINITELY WEST. YEAH, DEFINITELY. OKAY. MM-HMM. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION. UM, THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY TERESA ROBERSON AND THIS IS FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 1 32 WEST REER ROAD. UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R THREE, UM, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A THREE BEDROOM WHOLE HOUSE, SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, NO MORE THAN SIX OCCUPANTS. THEY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING, THEY PASSED STAFF INSPECTION, PLANNING COMMISSION HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING LAST, UM, MONTH, AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH NO CONDITIONS. THIS ONE'S VERY . UM, I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE IF YOU HAVE IT. AND NO ONE SHOWED UP AT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT? YEP. [00:50:03] ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? NO, UH, THERE'S NO, NO PLAN OF THE APPLICANT LIVING IN IT, RIGHT? NO, I DON'T. SO FULL DISCLOSURE, I KNOW THE APPLICANT, SO I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN THAT NIGHT. UM, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY MY PASTOR'S. UM, YEAH, SO I DON'T THINK THEY PLAN TO LIVE THERE. WHEN I SAID BEFORE ON THIS ONE THING WHERE IT IS A CASE OF EMERGENCY, UH, I BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE THE, THE FIREHOUSE NUMBER. IF THEY CALL THAT NUMBER, THEY MAY NOT GET AN ANSWER 'CAUSE THEY COULD BE OUT ON A CALL. THEY NEED TO CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE NUMBER. WE GOT THE FIVE FOUR, UH, 2 5 4 OH LISTED AS THE MEMBER CALL IF YOU HAVE, OR, OR 9 1 1 IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE 6 3 5 4 1 2 8. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE STANDARDIZED? GIVE THEM LIKE THAT PART? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE DID? NOW IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON THE APPLICATION APPLICATION. SO WE JUST, SO REALLY WE JUST NEED TO CHANGE THE APPLICATION, ADJUST THE APPLICATION THAT THIS WEEK. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE GOOD? SO THAT WOULD BE ON THE NINTH AS WELL, RIGHT? YEP. OF PUBLIC HEARING ON THE NINTH? YEP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THREE H. YEP. WELL, THIS NEXT ONE, JOHN AND I ARE GONNA CONTACT TEAM. THIS ONE. IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO TAKE IN. UM, SO THIS NEXT APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED BY, UH, SERVER DEVELOPMENT GROUP. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR APARTMENTS, UM, ON A VACANT PARCEL ON EAST ER ROAD THAT BACKS UP TO RURAL KING. SO THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED C ONE, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT. UM, AND IN THIS DISTRICT, APARTMENTS ARE A BY RIGHT USE UNTIL THEY'RE MORE THAN THREE, OR THEY'RE REQUESTED ON THE GROUND FLOOR. SO IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, THIS FALLS UNDER A CHAPTER 1 75, 39 B OF THE CODE BECAUSE THERE'S MORE THAN FOUR UNITS AND THEY'RE REQUESTING GROUND FLOOR AND, UM, THE UPPER FLOORS. UM, AND SO PART OF THIS TOLL PART, THIS IS NOT A REZONING, THERE ARE NO PROFFERS. YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT IS THIS USE APPROPRIATE ON THIS PARCEL? UM, YOU TYPICALLY LOOK AT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND STATE CODE REQUIRES, UM, THE HOUSING SECTION TO BE IN THE COMP PLAN. SO THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY FALLS IN LINE WITH THE GOALS AND THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX FOR HOUSING. SO, UM, PROVIDE ENERGY EFFICIENT RENTAL HOUSING, ENCOURAGE CONSTRUCTION, MORE AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS, PROMOTE HOUSING TYPES THAT ARE ATTRACTIVE POTENTIALLY TO SENIORS AGE IN PLACE. UM, THIS IS AGAIN LOCATED BEHIND THE RURAL PING, UH, SHOPPING CENTER. THERE'S ACCESS TO A TRAIL. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WITHIN 1200 FEET OF A TROLLEY STOP OF AN URGENT CARE. MARTIN'S, UH, SHOPPING THINGS. SO THIS IS CERTAINLY IN LINE WITH THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THEN JOHN IS GONNA TAKE IT FROM HERE AND ACTUALLY TAKE YOU THROUGH THE ACTUAL APPLICATION ITSELF. UH, THERE'S THE RENDERING THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, PROVIDED FOR YOU TWO APARTMENT BUILDINGS SET ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY. UH, EAST REISER ROAD THERE. IT DOES FRONT ON REMOUNT, UH, BACKS UP TO THE ROYAL KING, THE MARTIN SHOPPING CENTER, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA, UH, RIGHT THERE TOWARD AT THE LIBRARY, UH, THE PARK AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THERE ON EAST REISER. UH, THERE'S A AERIAL VIEW OF IT, UH, SHOWING THE, UH, THE VACANT PARCEL, UH, THE ROYAL KING, THE BACK OF ROYAL KING TO THE NORTH THERE. UH, THE PARK THERE WHERE THE, THE ROAD ENTRANCE WAS SPLIT BETWEEN THE PARK AND THE LIBRARY AND THE PORTION OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY. UH, HAPPY CREEK TRAIL, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, DOES RUN THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY. SAYS IT DOES TIE INTO THAT. SO IT'D BE FOR 90 APARTMENTS, TWO BUILDINGS, 45 IN EACH APARTMENT, UH, TWO SEPARATE STRUCTURES. UH, MAXIMUM HIDE WOULD BE 45 FEET. THAT'S PER CODE. THEY ARE, UH, TRYING TO DO, WELL, WE'LL DO 18 TWO BEDROOMS, UH, WITH 27 3 BEDROOMS. EACH OF THOSE UNITS, THE TWO AND THE THREE BEDROOMS, EACH WILL HAVE TWO FULL BATHS. UH, THEY WILL, UH, ALSO HAVE AT AT LEAST FIVE FULLY A DA ACCESSIBLE UNITS PER BUILDING. SO THIS IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING [00:55:01] PROGRAM BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT'S A LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT. SO THIS IS FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING, BUT IT'S UNDER THE FEDERAL CODE, UH, AND INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, THESE ARE SOME OF THE RENDERINGS OF APARTMENTS THAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. UH, THEIR MOST RECENT ONE IS IN, UH, I THINK IN AUGUSTA COUNTY, IN THE CITY OF STANTON. SO THESE ARE RENDERINGS. THEY CAME OF THE ACTUAL FOOTAGE. SO THEY WILL HAVE FIVE COMPLETELY 80 DA ACCESSIBLE APARTMENTS AT EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS. AGAIN, THE 18, UH, WE'LL GO BACK HERE, THE 18, UH, TWO BEDROOM, UH, UNITS. THERE'LL BE ABOUT, UH, 1,020 SQUARE FOOT FOR THE TWO BEDROOMS. UH, THE 27 OR THE THREE BEDROOMS, THE 27 UNITS, THAT'LL BE THREE BEDROOMS. THOSE THREE BEDROOM UNITS WILL BE PROBABLY AROUND 1,237 SQUARE FEET. SO PRETTY GOOD SIZE, UH, UH, FOR THE APARTMENTS HERE. UM, AGAIN, FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THROUGH THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT. UM, THAT IS BASED ON THE HUD PORTION OF THE, AND FOR THE ESTIMATE OF FAIR MARKET RENTS IN THE AREA. SO THEY DO STATISTICS NATIONALLY. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES THOSE ANNUALLY. UH, THEY PRODUCE THOSE EVERY YEAR. AND THEY DID WARREN COUNTY. SO IT'S BASED ON WARREN COUNTY'S, UH, INCOME. UH, AND EVERY APRIL THAT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REEVALUATES THAT. SO THE PRICES THEY GAVE US IS FOR 2024, BUT THE PRICES FOR THESE RENTALS WILL TAKE PLACE WHEN THE UNITS ARE AVAILABLE. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE 2026. DO THOSE EVER CHANGE? THEY CHANGE ANNUALLY. OKAY. SO THEY DID PROVIDE STATISTICS FOR THIS YEAR. SO THOSE WILL CHANGE. OKAY. UH, EVERY YEAR SET BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEY WILL DO THE STATISTICS ON THE ANNUAL INCOME FOR THIS COUNTY, FOR ONE COUNTY, AND SET THE PRICING FOR THESE. INTERESTING PART OF THIS. UH, I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS, UH, OF THE UNITS. SO, UH, 50% OF THE UNITS GET MY NUMBERS STRAIGHT HERE. 50% OF THE UNITS WILL BE FOR INCOMES THAT ARE IN THE THRESHOLD BELOW 6% OF THE INCOME. SO HALF OF THE UNITS, THEY WILL ADVERTISE THE PEOPLE THAT WILL GET UH, HAVE THESE APARTMENTS, THEY WILL EARN 50% OR LESS OF THE ANNUAL INCOME. VERY MEETING. WE SHOULD PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE, WARREN COUNTY IS HIGHER THAN FREDERICK COUNTY, CLARK COUNTY, PAGE COUNTY, ALL THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES. WARREN COUNTY AREA, MEDIAN INCOME IS HIGHER. LAST TIME I LOOKED, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 70 OR 80. SO THEY'LL BREAK DOWN THESE APARTMENTS. SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL GO FOUR CATEGORIES. USUALLY THEY'LL DO A 30%, A 50%, A 60%, AND 80%. SO THEY HAVE FOUR CATEGORIES. SO SOME CUSTOMERS WILL BE IN THE 30% OR RESIDENTS WILL BE IN THE 30% RANGE. SOME OF 'EM WILL BE IN THE 50%, AND THAT'LL ACCOUNT FOR OVER HALF OF THE APARTMENTS THAT YOU KIND OF FOLLOW THE LINE. SO THE 30 TO 50% OVER HALF OF THOSE WILL BE IN, THAT WILL HAVE THOSE APARTMENTS. THEN 60 AND 80% WILL GET THE REMAINDER OF THEM. UH, SO YOU COULD MAKE TOO MUCH TO LIVE IN ONE OF THESE APARTMENTS. ABSOLUTELY. WHICH IS THE PROBLEM WITH MOST OF NOTHING. UH, SAY THAT ONE. I'M SORRY. I WANNA ASK, SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. IF THEY MAKE MORE THAN THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, THEY CAN'T RENT ONE OF THESE PRIVATE. GOTCHA. THAT'S JUST THE COMMON ISSUE. YEAH. THAT'S WHEN COMMON TEMPORARILY. YEAH. CAN THEY NOT RENT 'EM OR DO THEY HAVE TO PAY THE FULL? RIGHT. SO THEY'LL PAY THE PRICE THAT ARE SET BY THE PERCENTAGE. NONE OF THE OTHER ONES IN TOWN WILL ALLOW YOU TO RENT THEM IF YOU'RE OVER IT. RIGHT. SO I TRY. SO YOU, YOU HAD TO FALL IN THAT INCOME RANGE TO QUALIFY FOR THOSE, AND THEY BROKE IT DOWN ON A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE OF THE INCOME THAT YOU, THAT YOU EARN. THERE'S 30 TO 80 THOUGH, RIGHT? WHAT IT 30 TO 80? YEAH. 30, 30, 50, 60 AND 80. THAT'S THE FOUR CATEGORIES. AND EACH OF THOSE WILL HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING. SO, UH, I THINK WHAT THEY HAVE BROKEN DOWN NOW, UH, FIVE UNITS WILL BE FOR THE 30% RANGE. 19 WILL BE FOR THE 50% RANGE, FIVE WILL BE THE 60% RANGE, AND 16 FOR THE 80%. SO ALMOST AS MUCH AS THE UNDER 50%. I MEAN, REALLY 19 AND 16 IS PRETTY CLOSE. SO, SO THEY KIND GOT SO 19 AND FIVE. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 24 OF THE 45 EARNING LESS THAN 50%. RIGHT. UH, THE BUILDING WILL BE, UH, LED, UH, CERTIFICATION. THEY GAVE YOU A LIST OF THAT. THAT'S BASED ON MATERIALS USED, WASTE MANAGEMENT, ENERGY SAVINGS, WATER EFFICIENCY, [01:00:01] INDOOR AIR QUALITY, AND SITE LOCATION. UH, THEY DID GIVE YOU A LIST, UH, WITH THAT. UH, THERE'S A, SOME OF THE, UH, PREVIOUS PROJECTS, UH, IT'LL BE, THE FACADE WILL BE BRICK, UH, MAJORITY OF IT'LL BE BRICK. AT LEAST 50% WILL BE BRICK WITH LIKE HARDY PLANK SIDING. THERE WILL BE NO VINYL SIDINGS ON THESE BUILDINGS. THERE'LL BE BRICK WITH HARDY PLANK WITH THOSE. SO NO VINYL SIDING ON THIS COM, THESE COMPLEXES OF THESE BUILDINGS. SO IN THAT PICTURE IS THE, I'M JUST AT, SO IN THAT PICTURE RIGHT HAND SIDE WOULD BE THE AREA CLOSEST TO, UM, UH, 5 22. RIGHT? AND THEN RIGHT HERE WHERE THIS FRONT OUT, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE PARALLEL TO WEST ER OR YEAH, THAT'S HOW THEY HAVE THE REAR WEST. THAT'D BE EAST CRIER. EAST CRIER, RIGHT. YEAH. SO THAT'S HOW THEY, UH, SO THE WESTERN, OR SORRY, EASTERN PORTION OF THE LOT WILL STAY IN VEGETATION AND THEN THE REST OF THE, RIGHT. SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL LOCATE THESE BUILDINGS TO THE LEFT SIDE OR THE WESTERN PART OF THAT LOT. SO YOU CAN SEE ABOUT, UH, ROUGHLY 35 TO 40% OF THE LOT IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN. SO THEY'LL CONSTRUCT THOSE BUILDINGS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN. UH, SO THEY'LL HAVE A LESS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON THE SENSITIVE AREAS. SO WE WANNA DISCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING IN THE FLOODPLAIN THAT'LL HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT LESSEN THE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. IT WILL CONNECT UP TO THE TRAIL, UH, AGAIN, WITHIN A HALF A MILE WALKING DISTANCE OF ALL THE BUSINESSES ON SOUTH STREET, THE MARTIN SHOPPING CENTER, ROYAL KING, THE BANKS, THE RESTAURANTS ALONG THERE, UH, THE SIDEWALK OR THE TRAIL FOR HAPPY CREEK TRAIL. AND IS THE GOAL OF THIS COUNCIL FOR SIDEWALKS AND ACCESSIBILITY, UH, DOES TIE INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? SO THIS AS A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR THIS. YOU HAVE THE LIBRARY, YOU HAVE THE PARK, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THE SHOPPING CENTERS THERE, UH, A WELL-PLANNED USE OF THIS PROPERTY. SO THEY PLAN ON, THEY PLAN ON MAKING SURE THERE'S ACCESS FROM THERE OVER TO THE SHOPPING CENTER. WELL, THAT'LL BE CONNECTED WITH THE TRAIL. UH, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO USE THE TRAIL TO GET TO THE SHOPPING. YEAH, WE, WELL, THEY TALKED TO US AND TOWN STAFF DIS DID DISCOURAGE THEM CONNECTING TO THE ROYAL KING SHOPPING CENTER WITH EMERGENCY ACCESS, BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. SO WE LOOKED AT THAT YOU WOULD NOT WANT EMERGENCY ACCESS DURING THE FLOOD, IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE UNDER WATER. RIGHT. SO, UH, PERHAPS THEY COULD DO, UH, ANOTHER EMERGENCY ACCESS ON ONE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. BUT WE LOOKED INTO THIS AND, UH, BUT THEY WILL HAVE THE TRAIL AND THEY WILL, UH, CONNECT TO THE TRAIL AND EVERYTHING. BUT WHETHER IT WILL NOT, UH, WE DISCOURAGE THEM TO DO AN EMERGENCY ACCESS TO ROLL. KING, I, WHEN I SAID EMERGE, I DIDN'T MEAN EMERGENCY DESK. I MEANT WALKABILITY. HAVE WALKABILITY. YES. YES. THAT THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. SO YES, THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO CONNECT, BUILD A TRAILER PATH FROM THE BUILDINGS TO YES. ON THE TRAIL IN THE EASEMENT, I THINK IT SHOWS UP ON THE, UH, YEAH, THERE, SO THEY HAVE A TRAIL DESIGNED ALREADY TO CONNECT UP TO HAVEIT CREEK TRAIL. SO WITH THESE APARTMENTS WORK A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT KICKS IT OVER TO 1 75, 1 13. SO THEY HAD TO MEET ALL THE CRITERIA FOR APARTMENTS. AND THIS IS JUST FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO APARTMENTS WILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COME BACK TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. SO THE ONLY THING YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOR THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND THE APPLICANT HAS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATENESS FOR ESTABLISHING A SPECIAL USE ON THIS PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED BY STATE CODE OR LAW TO DEMONSTRATE THESE ARE, THIS IS NOT A REZONING WHERE PROPERTIES ARE. RIGHT. SO PROFFERS IS A PART OF REZONING IS TO REDUCE THE IMPACT OF THE PROJECT ON PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. SPECIAL USE PERMITS. MY STATE CODE DOES NOT. THEY JUST HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. DEMONSTRATE THEY DON'T HAVE TO REZONE THIS. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. SO, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND IT'S, IT THINKING OF THAT AREA THAT'S NOT GONNA BE VISIBLE AT ALL. RIGHT. LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE NOT. RIGHT. AND ONE GOOD THING, UH, IF WE GO BACK TO HERE, THEY'LL HAVE THE SCREENING, UH, REAMP ROAD WILL REMAIN THAT PART OF THE, IT IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN WITH THE TREE THAT'LL BUFFER THAT. SO YOU, THAT'LL HAVE A, UM, YOU KNOW, SQUARE V VISION FROM REMOUNT ROAD. UH, THE ENTRANCE WILL BE OFF OF EAST ER TO GET BACK IN THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WON'T HAVE THE IMPACT ON THAT IS THERE'S AN EASEMENT FOR THAT TRAIL. YEAH. WASN'T THERE SOMETHING, THERE WAS SOME SORT OF ISSUE WITH THE SCHOOL? IS THERE THE SCHOOL BOARD LAND OR SOMETHING? THERE? THERE IS SEEM LIKE THERE IS AN ISSUE. UH, THE APPLICANT'S AWARE OF IT. SO HERE, UH, BY THE PARK, UH, [01:05:01] UNFORTUNATELY IT LOOKS LIKE THE, UH, THE PARK PROPERTY ENCROACHES ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, UH, WITH THIS ENTRANCE HERE AND PART OF THE TRAIL SYSTEM, UH, WITHOUT HAVING A COMPLETE SURVEY OF IT, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THEY DO ENCROACH ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. OH, SO THAT IS WHERE THE APPLICANT, THE PARK, YEAH. AND THE PARK TO, UH, AND THAT'S A POPULAR PARK, SO, RIGHT. YEAH. THEY DO IT, IT, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THEY DO ENCROACH ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT. SO OUR, AND YOU KNOW, THE ENTRANCE, THIS WILL BE DEALT WITH AT SITE PLAN, BUT I MEAN, IDEALLY YOU COULD HAVE ONE ENTRANCE THAT'S SHARED. WE, WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD WORK IN COOPERATION TO GET AN ENTRANCE THAT WOULD BE BEST SUITED FOR BOTH, UH, PARCELS. AND WE DON'T GET AN, LIKE, THEY, WHAT IT'S LIKE A CIVIL ISSUE. IF, IF, IF WE ALLOW THIS TO MOVE FORWARD, IT'S THEIR, THEIR ISSUE TO RESOLVE. YES. OKAY. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, BY RIGHT. THEY CAN BUILD ON IT. UNFORTUNATELY, THE PARK HAS ENCROACHED ON THEIR PRO THE APPEARS THAT WAY WITHOUT THE SURVEY DONE. THEY'RE AWARE OF IT. WHO'S GONNA GET THE SURVEY DONE? WELL, COUNTY, IF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS, UH, WHICH IS THE PASS FORWARD FOR THEM, IF THAT'S APPROVED, THAT WOULD BE THEIR NEXT STEP ON THE SITE DEVELOPMENT. MM-HMM. . BUT THERE'S NO SENSE IN THEM PAYING FOR THE ENGINEERING AND THE SURVEY UNTIL THEY KNOW THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, WITH THE PROPERTY. I MEAN, THEY CAN WORK OUT THE DETAILS WITH THIS ENTRANCE. THAT'S NOT A, UH, A BIG HINDRANCE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE REST OF THIS CONVERSATION. SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND INTERJECT NOW 'CAUSE IT'S STARTING TO COME UP. UM, THAT'S SOME INPUT THAT I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN FROM THE PUBLIC. I MIGHT ADD, UM, JUST COULD, JUST ASKING ABOUT LIKE THE ADDED TRAFFIC ON ER ROAD AND HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET PAST THE LIBRARY AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN BLAH BLAH. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THOUGH WE COVERED THAT. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS. MM-HMM. THAT PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO SAY. NOW GRANTED, THEY NEED TO COME AND SAY AT THE PUBLIC HEARING IF COUNCIL NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. UM, BUT THEN WE GOT ANOTHER, WE GOT SOMETHING IN THE LAST FEW DAYS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, RIGHT. SO YEAH, WE'LL COVER THAT. OKAY. I, I JUST KEEP GOING. WHY, LIKE ON ON THE ZONING MAP, WHY IS THE DRIVEWAY SHOWN AS R THREE AND THE REST IS SHOWING C ONE? IT DIDN'T SPLIT ZONING THAT PROPERTY. THE MAJOR PART OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WENT WITH THE, UH, YOU WANNA CALL IT THE ROYAL KING OR THE MARTINS SHOPPING CENTER. THAT WAS C ONE. SO THEY HAD TWO PARCELS HERE. THEY HAD THIS PARCEL AND THIS, UH, SMALL PARCEL HERE ON THE ROAD FRONTAGE. AND THAT WAS R THREE. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THEIR APPROVAL RECOMMENDED WITH THEIR APPROVAL THAT THIS REMAIN ONLY FOR THE ENTRANCE AND NOT TO BE UTILIZED AS THE R THREE. THAT'S WHY THEY MADE THAT, THEY MADE THAT CONDITION ON THEIR APPROVAL. THIS WOULD STAY, THIS MAJOR PARCEL WOULD SAY C ONE, THIS IS R THREE WITH SPLIT ZONING. AND THEY PLANNING COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY COULD ONLY UTILIZE THIS PORTION FOR THE ENTRANCE. THAT'S KIND OF WEIRD. IT WAS A LOT IN THERE THAT OVER THE YEARS THAT THE TOWN, UH, HAD BACK AND FORTH WITH THE, THE PARK HERE AND THE TRAIL. SO THAT WAS A LOT IN THERE AND THEY ACQUIRED THAT LOT. BUT WE'RE MAKING A DECISION THOUGH, BASED UPON TWO DIFFERENT ZONES AND NOT JUST ONE ZONE REALLY. WELL, THE R THREE IS ONLY FOR THIS PORTION OF IT. YEAH. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION ONLY THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE HERE. THEY COULD NOT USE THAT FOR R THREE HOUSING. THAT'S THEIR RECOMMENDATION. RIGHT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW, I KNOW YOU SAID SOME. I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT IT. I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IT. THAT'S ALL. I MEAN, IT HAS SPLIT ZONING WHAT WE REFER TO AS SPLIT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY. YEAH. I'VE JUST NEVER SEEN THAT. LIKE, I DON'T RECALL EVER SEEING THAT WHILE I WAS IN THE PAYING COMMISSION. BUT WE HAVE A FEW OF THOSE IN TOWN THAT HAS SPLIT ZONING. OKAY. THEY'RE JUST OLD RESIDUAL PARCELS THAT RIGHT. SO THEY HAVE THE HAS BEEN MOVED. YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S SOME LIKE SIDE BY SIDE AND THINGS. RIGHT. SO THEY JUST BASICALLY VACATED THIS PROPERTY LINE TO DO ONE PARCEL, UH, THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, VACATED THAT PROPERTY LINE IN BETWEEN THE LOTS, BUT THE ZONING REMAINED, THEY DIDN'T LOOK TO REZONE THAT SMALL PARCEL. UH, SO THEY DID DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS NOT REQUIRED. UH, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM. SO THEY DID DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. UH, SO THE PROJECT ON EAST ER ROAD, UH, ACCORDING TO THE VDOT UH, TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, BASICALLY 5,200 VEHICLES PER DAY TRAVEL EAST ER ROAD. THIS PROJECT WOULD PUT AN ADDITIONAL, BASICALLY 400 VEHICLES A DAY ON EAST CRIER ON TOP OF THE 5,200 THAT CURRENTLY USE THE ROAD. HOWEVER, UH, IN THE EVENINGS, [01:10:01] UH, THE PEAK TRAVEL TIME, UH, 44 VEHICLES WE USING AT BETWEEN FOUR AND 6:00 PM AND BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 9:00 AM 35 VEHICLES. SO, UH, THAT'S THEIR, UH, WHEN THEY DID THE STUDY. SO OUT THE 5,200 AT TRAVEL, THE ROAD WILL BE ADDING ANOTHER 400 PER DAY ALL HOURS OF THE DAY. UH, SO THEY DID THE STUDY ON THAT. SO NO LEFT TURN, LEFT TURN LANE IS WARRANTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT A RIGHT TURN LANE IS REQUIRED. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE CONSIST OF A HUNDRED FOOT PAPER AND A HUNDRED FOOT DECELERATION LANE ACCORDING TO THE VDOT INFORMATION THAT'S REQUIRED TO GENERATE THESE REPORTS. SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, UH, THEY'RE ESTIMATING 409 VEHICLES PER DAY, UH, 35 DURING THE PEAK TRAVEL AND 44 DURING THE EVENING, OR THE PM TRAVEL. UH, THEY DID THE ANALYSIS ON THE TOTAL, THE HIGHEST NUMBER. SO 433 WAS THE WEEKEND TRAVEL, AND THAT GENERATES THE MOST TRAFFIC 433 ENTERING THEIR PROPERTY. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY DID THE NUMBERS FROM. THEY PLUGGED THAT INTO THE VDOT CALCULATOR WITH THE 433, THE 5,200 VEHICLES THAT CURRENTLY USE THE, UH, ROAD WITH THE SPEED LIMIT OF 25. AND THE CONCLUSION WAS THEY HAD TO HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT OF TAPER AND THEN A HUNDRED FOOT OF DECELERATION LANE IN FRONT OF THE PARK. TWO THINGS. MM-HMM. ONE IS, IT'S NOT REALLY 25 BECAUSE THE SCHOOL, I'M JUST SAYING THE, THE, THE, THE TWO HOURS BEFORE THE TWO HOURS AFTER IT'S 15, RIGHT, BRIAN. RIGHT. SO IT'S 15. I'M JUST SAYING DURING THOSE THOSE TIMES IT'S GONNA BE 15 MILES PER HOUR. AND THEN ONE OTHER THING THAT I THINK ABOUT, ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PATCH IS DURING LEAF PEOPLE SEASON, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY GOES TO, RIGHT. SO I'VE BEEN TOLD THE WELL EVERY ANYBODY, THEY GO THERE AND THEY TRY TO CUT THROUGH KREER TO AVOID THE SOUTH STREET OR WHATEVER. NOT THAT THAT MATTERS, I'M JUST OFFERING THAT. I'D BE CURIOUS HOW THAT CHANGES FOR THAT MORNING. SO THEY DO THE STUDIES. NOW THE STUDIES HAVE TO BE DURING, DURING A TYPICAL WORK WEEK. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO SKEW THE NUMBERS, RIGHT. UH, LIKE DURING THE HOLIDAY OR SOME PEAK TRAFFIC. RIGHT. SO THAT'S HOW YOU DO THESE STUDIES, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK. RIGHT. AND GET A, A GOOD AVERAGE DAILY COUNT FOR THAT. RIGHT. THAT'S THE BEAT UP PROCEDURE FOR THAT. SO THE NUMBERS AREN'T SKEWED. IF YOU LOWERED THAT SPEED LIMIT DOWN TO 15, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD GET THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE RIGHT TURN LANE. SO BY PUTTING IT AT 25 AT THE HIGHER SPEED LIMIT, THAT'S GONNA GIVE YOU THE MORE CHANCE OF IT. I THOUGHT THAT THE, I THOUGHT THE LETTER THAT WE GOT SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO A LEFT HAND, BUT THEY'LL HAVE TO DO A RIGHT TURN. SO THEY'RE IN FRONT OF THE PARK COMING INTO THE PROPERTY ON EAST RYER. THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE A RIGHT, BUT THEY WON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LEFT LANE. YES. THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WE'VE RAISED THE SPEED LIMIT TO 25 SPEED LIMIT IS 25 POSTED FOR THE SCHOOLS. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE YOU CAN, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T. YEAH, I'M SAYING RIGHT NOW OUR, THE SPEED CAMERA THING, IT HAS TO BE 10 MILES LESS THAN WHAT IT ISN'T IT 10 MILES LESS THAN WHAT? 10 MILES? 10 MILES OR MORE OVER VIOLATION. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S 15. A VIOLATION IS 10 OR MORE OVER. NO, BUT JIM, I THINK STILL THE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING. THEY HAVE TO BE, I THINK THE CODE TO 10 MILES TO BE 10 MILES BELOW THE POST SPEED LINE, RIGHT? YEAH. BECAUSE 15, BUT THE TOWN HAS THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THAT OR VO BECAUSE LE RUNS 35 AND 25 MINUTES FLASHING. UH, THERE'S ANOTHER SPOT THAT'S AS ROADS 35, 25 MINUTES FLASHING. I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE VEHICLES PER DAY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN THIS OR NOT, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT 90 UNITS, THAT'S ALMOST FIVE VEHICLES PER UNIT. RIGHT? 94. 433 VEHICLES PER DAY. AND HOW MANY TRIPS? HOW MANY TRIPS? THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. DO YOU THESE YOUR TRIPS, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT, OKAY. THAT'S, SO THEY, THAT'S HOW MANY TRIPS ARE GONNA MAKE IN AND OUT OF THE OH, OKAY. OKAY. THEY ESTIMATED 430 TRIPS. ONE TRIP IS ONE OUT, AND THEN ANOTHER TRIP IS ONE END. SO IT'S OKAY. SO IF YOU LEAVE AND YOU COME BACK, THAT'S TWO TRIPS. OKAY. I WAS THINKING ABOUT VEHICLES AND I'M LIKE, IF YOU'RE 30% OF THE INCOME, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE 45. THAT'S SO, SO WHEN THEY DID THE PEAK TIME, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN PEOPLE TRAVELING TO AND FROM WORK, BUT THE TIMES THEY GAVE YOU, THEY'RE SAYING 35 DURING THE A M PEAK AND 44 AT THE EVENING PEAK, BUT THEY RAN THE STUDY BASED ON THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TRIPS IN AND OUT TO DETERMINE THE TURN LANE. [01:15:01] SO THEY TOOK THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, BASICALLY, IF YOU WANNA GO THAT WAY TO DETERMINE THE, UH, PAPER AND THE TURN LANE COMING IN. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. IS THAT MM-HMM. , IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THE, UH, VEHICLE PEAK AT THAT TIME OF DAY, THE MORNING SEEMS RATHER LOW THAN ME ON THE 35 AT, IN THE AM THAT'S THE ONE IN THE, UH, BECAUSE THERE'LL BE, YOU GOTTA FIGURE, LET'S SAY THERE'S TWO PEOPLE, 24 IN THE, AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE LIVING IN, IN THESE APARTMENTS. MM-HMM. . SO THE AVERAGE IS LIKE 2.5. SO THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AROUND 200 CARS ONCE IT GETS BUILT OUT. NOT EVERYBODY THERE WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD A VEHICLE IN 30% AREA MEDIAN INCOME RANGE. AND I WOULD SAY IT MIGHT NOT BE TWO ADULTS IN THERE BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF THE INCOME. IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE LOT . I'M JUST, I WAS JUST ASKING, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW YOU ESTIMATE HAS A CODE. MAYBE THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION. MAY WANT ASK THEIR TRAFFIC. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY, THEY MAY ABLE TO SHARE SOME MORE INSIGHT ON THAT, HOW THESE NUMBERS ARE GENERATED. SO TO MELISSA'S QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHICH I, I THINK I, I, I WAS WITH HER WHEN SHE ASKED IT, BUT, SO WHEN IT SAYS ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL 4 0 9 VEHICLES A DAY, SHOULD THAT SAY ADDITIONAL FOUR AMOUNT OF TRIPS PER DAY INSTEAD OF VEHICLES OR, UH, THEY SAID VEHICLES PER DAY. SO I SAYING VEHICLES, OTHER TIMES THEY'RE SAYING TRIPS. ALRIGHT. THAT'S JUST, LIKE I SAID, I GET WHY SHE ASKED WHAT SHE ASKED. SO IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST TRYING TO WRAP HER HEAD AROUND IT. THAT'S ALL. I DO RECALL ANOTHER VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL THAT THIS COUNCIL TOOK ACTION ON. THAT I QUESTIONED THE TRAFFIC STUDY OR LACK THEREOF. AND THE COUNCIL DIDN'T HAVE THE APPETITE TO HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE FOR THE IMPACT OF THAT. AND THIS ONE'S NOT REQUIRED EITHER. THEY DID WANT, THEY DID ONE BECAUSE YOU DO NOT, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS NOT REQUIRED UNLESS IT'S OVER A THOUSAND. SO THERE WAS CONCERNS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO THAT THE APPLICANT DECIDED YES, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY WOULD GENERATE THIS TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. IT'S NOT REQUIRED 'CAUSE IT'S LESS THAN A THOUSAND. AND VDOT SETS THE THRESHOLD SPEED DOT SETS THE COEFFICIENTS THAT A THOUSAND WHAT? TRIPS PER DAY. TRIPS PER DAY. SO WHEN WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN, IF THE ESTIMATED TRIPS PER DAY IS UNDER A THOUSAND, WE CANNOT REPAIR OUR CODE. WE DON'T REQUIRE TRAFFIC IMPACT. THAT S IS BS B. SO PER OUR CODES. SO MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE THAT WE DO LOOK AT AS FAR AS WHAT OUR CODE, BUT THE APPLICANT WAS. UH, BUT THEY DID IT ANYWAY. YEAH, THEY DID BEFORE. THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS, WHICH WAS LIES ON THEIR PART, I THINK. UH, SO YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. THAT'S WHERE I HEARD THE MOST. MM-HMM. LIKE, I MEAN I, I HEARD IT AND I TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WE, IT HADN'T EVEN COME TO COUNCIL YET. I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, RUMORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT? SO THEY'LL PUT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TURN LANE WILL COME HERE ON EAST CHRYSLER, YOU KNOW, THIS PORTION YOU HAVE A TURN LANE AND, AND A ACCELERATION LANE, DECELERATION LANE TO GO IN THERE. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S PROBABLY BENEFICIAL FOR THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS TO WORK OUT THAT ENTRANCE THERE. THAT'S NOT THE TOWN'S RESPONSIBILITY, UH, TO TAKE THAT IN ACCOUNT. UH, AND THE EXPENSE OF THE MAINTENANCE COULD POTENTIALLY BE COVERED BY THE DEVELOPER AND SHOW THAT. WELL, I'M TRYING TO, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE PARALLEL LIKE THIS, RIGHT? ONE HERE AND ONE HERE ON THE MAP. ONE TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE, RIGHT THERE. RIGHT. SO EAST REER, WE, THE ROAD'S HERE. SO THE ENTRANCE HERE, EAST REISER'S HERE. RIGHT THERE. SO THEY'LL COME IN. THAT'S THE HOW THE APARTMENTS ARE INSTEAD AND, OKAY, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS TOP THERE. YEAH. LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE SQUEEZED ONCE YOU TOOK AWAY THE, UM, THE FLOODPLAIN. IN OTHER WORDS, WELL, THE FLOOD PLAIN'S IN HERE, BUT IT'S DE MARKED HERE. SO THEY'RE OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. YOU CAN'T PUT A PARKING LOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT NO, THEY DON'T WANNA DO ANY STRUCTURE. SO THEY'RE HAVING THE LESS IMPACT, UH, ON THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY CAN JUST, WE DO ALLOW PARKING IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. THAT LINE BE MARKS THE FLOOD PLAIN. YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING, MAJORITY OF THE PARKING'S OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN. AND THAT'S PART OF HOW THEY GET THAT LEAD CERTIFICATION IS LIKE REDUCING THE ENVIRONMENT. THEY'RE TAKING AN AREA THAT YOU KNOW, CANNOT DEVELOP OR SHOULD NOT DEVELOP IN HERE. SHOULDN'T SAY CANNOT, BUT, UH, A LOT OF GOVERNMENT AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS BUILDING IN THE FLOODPLAIN. WE DON'T WANT THAT, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVE AREA. SO THEY'RE USING WISE USE AS A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE FOR THE PROPERTY. WHERE'S THE UH, THE CHIMNEY THING? LAUREN? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? UH, DOWN IN, IS THAT OVER HERE? YEAH, DOWN IN HERE. YEAH. SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S ACROSS ER ROAD I THINK, ISN'T IT? YEAH, IT WAS RIGHT THERE. IT'S [01:20:01] RIGHT THERE. IT'S, IT'S COMING OFF THE TRAIL. MM-HMM. . I WAS JUST CURIOUS. AND THAT'S GONNA BE PARKING IN BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES? YEAH, THEY'LL HAVE PARKING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE WHOLE, THIS GRAY AREA IS ALL PARKING. MM-HMM. . SO THEY'LL HAVE PARKING ALL THE WAY AROUND AND IN THE MIDDLE WITH THE TRAIL. DOES THE COUNTY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT PARK? IT'S THE COUNTY PARKED COUNTY PARK. YEAH. OKAY. SO I'M SAYING I, SO SO THEIR ENTRANCE AND EXIT OUT OF THERE IS GONNA BE ON EAST RYER? YES. THEY'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH HOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. MM-HMM. , WE DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN ANY OF THAT. THAT'D BE A PRIVATE ENTRANCE. YEAH. BUILT TO AND THEY'LL HAVE TO DEAL, THEY'LL HAVE TO. UM, AND THAT'S 'CAUSE I, I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT TRYING TO GO BEHIND BEHIND, UM, OFF THAT RED. YEAH. BEHIND WHERE WE USED TO PLAY AT REST LIKE THAT THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT THERE OR SORRY, I'M SORRY FOLKS. I JUST, OR HERE LIKE I HEARD THAT THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT MAYBE TRYING TO USE ACCESS TO GET INTO THE GOING OUT REY'S PARKING LOT. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT, HAS NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE TOWN STAFF. OKAY. AND THAT WOULDN'T BE A CONVERSATION WITH US ANYWAY. I MEAN, SO THEIR FRONTAGE IS HERE ON EAST REER AND THAT'S WHY THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED PUT A CONDITION THAT THIS LOT WOULD BE, THIS PART OF THE PARCEL WOULD BE SERVED FOR THE ENTRANCE. WHY WOULDN'T THE ACCESS MAKE MORE SENSE OFF REMOUNT ROAD? BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD PLAIN. YEAH, THE FLOOD PLAIN AND THE SPEED LIMIT ROAD BRIDGE THERE TOO. YEAH. SO YOU REALLY DO NOT WANNA ENCOURAGE TO PUT A BRIDGE HERE. IT WOULD BE COST FOR THEM. AND YOU'VE GOT FLOODPLAIN ISSUES. YOU HAVE SPEED LIMIT, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE ENTRANCES OFF OF HERE, WHICH DO NOT UNFORTUNATELY MEET THE VDOT STANDARDS FOR ENTRANCE SPACING. SO YOU WOULD NOT WANT ANOTHER ENTRANCE HERE ON REMOUNT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENTRANCES ON THAT SIDE. NO, BUT YOU NO, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO PICK AN ACCOUNT. THE WHOLE SPACING STANDARDS PER ENTRANCES ON THE STREET. JUST FOR ME, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S MORE SPACING OVER THERE IN THAT FIELD ON THAT SIDE OF REMOUNT ROAD THEN IN FRONT OF A PARK. BUT IT, A BRIDGE WOULD BE EXPENSIVE. NO, WELL, THE SPACING STANDARDS ARE BASED ON THESE ENTRANCES COMING OUT ON THE SPEED LIMIT. OH, OKAY. SO VDOT, VDOT THE SHOPPING CENTER. RIGHT. SO WAIT, VDOT LOOKS AT THIS. WE HAVE TOO MANY ENTRANCES COMING OUT ONTO THIS ROAD BASED ON THE SPEED LIMIT AND NO CONTROLLED INTERSECTIONS HERE. GOTCHA. THIS IS, THESE CAUSES MORE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, ACCIDENTS, PEOPLE PULLING OUT THE SPEED LIMIT HIGHER AND YOU HAVE THESE ENTRANCES NOT SPACED OUT ENOUGH. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE DANGEROUS TO HAVE. YEAH. THAT WOULD CREATE A MORE DANGEROUS SITUATION WITH TRAFFIC. SO TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT IF I CAN, IS I SAW THAT THEY USED THE SAME PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FOR THEIR, THEIR STUFF AND THAT PROPERTY MANAGEMENT IS, UM, ALL OVER THE PLACE. BUT THERE ARE COMPLAINTS, WHICH I'M SURE THERE ARE. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS WITH ANY PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS WHAT, DO WE HAVE ANY RIGHTS THAT WE CAN PUT UP FRONT IN TERMS OF REQUESTING HOW THEY MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY? WELL WE, WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY OUT OF TOWN AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME REPUTATION IN SOME AREAS OF NOT BEING GREAT AS A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO. YEAH. WE, WE HAVE INFORMATION IN OUR CODE, YOUR TOWN CODE ON MAINTENANCE OF PROPERTIES. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GRASS LITTER? YEAH. THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE CODE. IF THEY DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY, WE GET A COMPLAINT. WE DON'T. THEY GET A, THEY WOULD GET A VIOLATION LIKE ANYBODY ELSE. COMPLAINT BASED AS OF NOW. YES. ANCE END OF IT. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH IT WITH SPECIAL USE PERMITS. YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT CONDITIONS UP FRONT. UM, THAT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU CAREFUL, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY HAD THEIR OWN MAN. I MEAN, THERE'S A QUESTION YOU PROBABLY WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, MAKE IT ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE BAYMONT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT THEM TO PUT INSIDE INDOOR FURNITURE OUT ON THE PORCHES, LIKE SOME OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND FRONT OIL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO IT. THERE WAS NO WAY WE WERE ABLE TO PUT THOSE CONDITIONS ON THERE. I ASK, UH, JUST THROUGH THE, THE FOLKS THAT MAY HAVE GOTTEN TICKETS, UH, ON, ON THAT ROAD, THE PROXIMITY OF WHERE THE, UM, NO, I WAS GETTING DON'T SAY IT BRUCE. DON'T SAY IT TRANSPARENT. I'M BEING TRANSPARENT. I HAVE NOT GOTTEN IT [01:25:01] FROM THE SCHOOL SPEECH ON THAT. WHERE, WHERE, WHERE IS THE, UM, FLASHING LIGHT AT? IRRESPECTIVE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY. IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY. RIGHT OVER IN HERE. BACK DOWN. NO, BACK THE OTHER WAY. NO, THERE WAS A, THERE'S A SIGN OVER HERE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY COME OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA SEE IT. SO IF THAT'S WHAT, IF THAT'S WHERE THE FLASHING LIGHT IS AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY COME OUT AND YOU'RE IN THAT TIME OF THE DAY OF THE MORNING, YOU, YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE. YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GO FAST THERE. I MEAN THERE'S, OKAY. I DON'T WELL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET UP, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET UP TO SPEED TO GET, I MEAN IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF, OF WHERE, WHERE THEY, WHERE THE LIGHT WAS AND YOU'VE EXPLAINED THAT. SO I'M HAPPY. WELL, EVEN WITHOUT THE LIGHTS, IT'S ONLY 15. SO IF A COP WOULD'VE BEEN SITTING THERE, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN TICKETED THE BREAKING WALL. AND DID THEY SAY THEY WERE GONNA HAVE I LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. I DON'T REMEMBER WHETHER THEY SAID THEY WOULD HAVE LIKE SOMEBODY ON SITE, LIKE ON ONSITE CARRIER ON SITE. MM-HMM. . BUT YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT TO GO IN FURTHER DETAIL. THAT'S PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. I'M GONNA ASK THIS PRESENTATION THAT YOU JUST SHARED WITH US. MM-HMM? ALL OF IT'S NOT IN OUR AGENDA PACKET. UH, YEAH, THERE WAS AN EXTRA HALLWAY. NO PRESENTATION WE COMPLETED. NO, NO. WELL ALL THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN YOUR PACKET. WE DIDN'T INCLUDE ANYTHING IN HERE. THAT WAS NOT IN YOUR PACKET. THE PHOTOS? NO, THE PRESENTATION. WHAT SHE'S SAYING, THE PRESENTATION THAT WE JUST DID TODAY FOR THIS MEETING WAS NOT IN THEIR PACKET. OH, OKAY. I MEAN WE JUST, WE JUST TOOK ITEMS OUT OF HERE TO CONDENSE IT. I WASN'T YOU SENT THAT SEPARATELY, DIDN'T YOU? YOU SENT ANOTHER THING SEPARATELY FOR US THAT WAS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT NOW. SO WE RECEIVED LAST WEEK. SO WHAT I WAS ASKING, WHAT, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT. OKAY, THAT'S OKAY. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS BEFORE THE DECEMBER 9TH MM-HMM. . I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS BE PART OF WHAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE TOO. OKAY. BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE WE'RE, WE ARE HEARING INFORMATION THAT I THINK IS HELPFUL TO MAYBE DISPEL RUMORS OR GIVE PEOPLE MORE INFORMATION. AND SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I MEAN, I KNOW WE CAN'T ADD IT TO THIS AGENDA, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, TO HAVE THIS ATTACHED BEFORE THE, AND THE PUBLIC CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND WATCH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION IN PUBLIC HEARINGS. BUT WE JUST CONDENSE THIS FOR YOU. YOU HAVE A COMPLETE PACKET AND WE JUST CONDENSE THIS FOR YOU FOR, FOR THE WORK SESSION. CAN YOU SEND THAT TO US AS A LINK TOO? LIKE BEFORE TO SUMMARIZE WHATEVER THIS IS? YEAH, WE CAN PUT IT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'D LIKE THIS PRESENTATION SOMETIMES CAN DO THAT. YOU'D LIKE TO DO THE PRESENTA, THE SAME PRESENTATION, PUBLIC HEARING. I WOULD SAY WOULDN'T YOU ALL THINK THIS WOULD BE THE BEST ONE TO IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED. YEAH. IT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE, RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S, UH, IT'LL BE INCLUDED. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THERE'S A LOT TO GO INTO. WE TRY TO CONDENSE IT TO HIT THE HIGH POINTS IF YOU'VE, UH, SO DECEMBER 9TH THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL CAN TAKE ACTION IF THEY WANT TO OR THEY CAN TABLE IT TO GET MORE ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS IF THEY HAVE ANY. AND I ALWAYS SHARE THAT BECAUSE WE, WE, WE'VE BEEN IN THESE SITUATIONS BEFORE. PEOPLE, PEOPLE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE, THEY HAVE TO TAKE ACTION RIGHT AWAY. AND, AND, AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO. RIGHT. SO SPECIAL USE PERMIT, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND YEAH. THAT THEY NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF ESTABLISHING THE SPECIAL USE ON THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. THAT BY STATE CODE. THESE ARE NOT PROPERS OR REZONING NO. BY RIGHT. IT'S JUST AN SUP MM-HMM. . AND AFTER THAT, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THE THE NO, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH SITE PLAN. RIGHT. I KNOW. AND THEY GOTTA DO ALL THAT FOR PC TOO. ADAM, I DON'T KNOW, TO BE A SIX TO NINE MONTH PROCESS. I THINK THEIR ESTIMATE WAS 2026. SIX TO NINE MONTHS. SO THEY'D LIKE TO BREAK GROUND IN 2026. GOOD LORD. THAT'S A LONG WAY OFF. WELL, SITE DEVELOPMENT IS, ESPECIALLY FOR THIS, THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THE PLANS FOR THAT. THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND BACK TO YOU BEFORE THAT. IS IT GONNA BE MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD PLANE? THEY'RE NOT BUILDING IN THE FLOOD PLANE. NO, I KNOW, BUT I'M SAYING THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO, WE'RE ONLY A MONTH AND A HALF FROM 2025. AND OUR RESIDE CONSTRUCTION FOR ONE HOUSE, SIX 12 MONTHS. RIGHT. TIME OF PERMITS. ALRIGHT, SO DECEMBER 9TH, THIS WILL, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR IT UNLESS COUNSEL WANTS TO WAIT ON THAT. OKAY. NOPE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , BOTH OF YOU? YEP. ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS THE REQUEST FOR TOWN PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER IN THE CORRIDOR. AND THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ONES. AND MR. WAL [01:30:01] IS GONNA, I MEAN, I, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE ONE PRESENTING SO TO SPEAK, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY PRESENTING. PEOPLE HAVE THE INFORMATION. BUT GO AHEAD CHUCK. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE WATER REQUESTS. JUST A REMINDER, WE DID APPROVE TWO WATER REQUESTS THAT THE LAST WORK SESSION AND AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, THESE ARE SIMILAR, BUT, UH, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, WATER USAGE ON THESE THAN THE LAST TWO. SO THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IS THE TOWN HAS RECEIVED A JOINT REQUEST FROM THE WARREN COUNTY AND ECCLES DEVELOPMENT LP FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICE WITHIN THE CORRIDOR AREA. BUT THIS IS DESIGNATED AS INDUSTRIAL DOESN'T FALL UNDER THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THE CORRIDOR. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED OFF FALL DRIVE AND IDENTIFIED AS TAC MAT 13, SECTION ONE, PARCEL TWO, UH, THE INTENDED DEVELOPMENT FOR ANOTHER WAREHOUSE IN DISTRIBUTION CENTER, UH, ON THEIR UTILITY OUT OF TOWN UTILITY, UH, CONNECTION APPLICATION. THEY ESTIMATE THE FACILITY WILL REQUIRE 4,200 GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY. SORRY, MR. WA I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE DONE TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE, BUT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD. THE QUESTION IS, 'CAUSE I, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS THE LAST TIME. WHAT'S A HOUSE USUALLY USE IN A DAY? 260. 260 GALLONS. 260 GALLONS. SO THIS IS 4,200 GALLONS? CORRECT. SO YOU'RE TALKING 17, WHY CAN'T I DO THE MATH? BUT 17 TIMES A HOUSE. IT'S 42. NO, I'M IMPRESSED. HOLD ON. I, I, WELL I WAS GONNA ROUND UP 260, ABOUT 300 GALLONS. 300 INTO 4,300 IN 4,200 WILL BE 16. 2014 0.5 HOUSE, WHAT IS IT? JOE'S JUST ABOUT RIGHT. IT WAS 16, 16.15. OKAY. SO ABOUT 16. THAT WOULD BE LIKE ABOUT 16 HOUSES, CORRECT. FOR THIS ONE. AND I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT I'M SURE Y'ALL KNOW IT OR MAYBE YOU DON'T 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEE IT ANYWHERE. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY JOBS THAT FACILITY WOULD BE? YOU KNOW HOW THE LAST TWO WAS? TWO. TWO EMPLOYEES. OKAY. GOOD. RIGHT. I MEAN GOOD IN THAT, THAT IT WAS ON THERE. 210 EMPLOYEES AND BECAUSE IT'S A WAREHOUSE, THE WATER AND SEWERS JUST FOR THE EMPLOYEES PRETTY MUCH. RIGHT? I WOULD ASSUME WE THINK RIGHT? YEAH. THAT WOULD BE MY ASSUMPTION ON THE APPLICATION. SO 210 PEOPLE GOING TO THE BATHROOM AND USING WATER, RIGHT. WASHING THEIR HANDS AND WHATEVER. IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, BUT OKAY. JOE POINTED OUT THAT THIS IS INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE OUR CORRIDOR AGREEMENT SAYS WE HAVE TO PROVIDE WATER TO COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PREVENT, PROVIDE WATER TO INDUSTRIAL USE. HMM. WE CAN, UH, SINCE WE HAVE TWO, WE CAN'T REALLY LOOK AT THE NEXT ONE JUST YET, RIGHT. OR CAN WE COME BACK? THEY'RE BOTH UNDER THE SAME ITEM. WE CAN TALK ABOUT BOTH. AND BECAUSE REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS SAME CORRIDOR, SAME LIMITATIONS FOR BOTH OF THESE FACILITIES. SO, UM, SO FAR LESS ON THE NEXT ONE. I'M WONDERING, I, I KNOW THIS MAY BE UNREASONABLE TO ASK, BUT WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, IS THERE A WAY, 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE, WE KEEP APPROVING THINGS, YOU KNOW, APPROVING DEVELOPMENTS AND THAT THAT WATER, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A CAPACITY IN THE RIVER THAT'S QUITE HIGH. BUT THEN WE HAVE OUR, WHEN ONCE IT GOES TO OUR SYSTEMS, THAT'S MORE LIMITED. AND I ALMOST WOULD LIKE, LIKE A CHART, LIKE HOW MUCH WE'RE CHIPPING AWAY AT OUR CAPACITY SO THAT AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD AND MAKING THE INCISIONS ON THESE THINGS, LIKE WE KNOW LIKE, OKAY, WE ONLY GOT 90 GALLONS OF LEFT THAT CAN, THAT OUR SYSTEM CAN SUPPORT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. BUT IS THAT TOO MUCH? CAN WE DO THAT? NO. THAT, THAT IT'S EASILY ACHIEVABLE. OKAY. WHEN WE TALKED TO COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH AND WE TALKED ABOUT AT THAT MOMENT, THE CAPACITY OF OUR SYSTEM, WE CAN DETERMINE THAT. OKAY. I THINK, UM, I DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, I THINK WE HAD AROUND 800,000 GALLONS OF AVAILABILITY ON WATER. BUT THE THING IS, WHAT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IS SEWER'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL. AND FOR EXAMPLE, OUT IN THE CORRIDOR, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY CAPACITY LEFT FOR SEWER. UM, PARTICULARLY WITH OUR PUMPING STATION. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, I BELIEVE WHEN THEY PRESENTED TO US, RIGHT. THAT WAS, IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE DIOCESE APPLICATION, RIGHT? CORRECT. RIGHT AROUND THAT TIME. AND, AND I REMEMBER THINKING THIS IS PROBABLY GOOD INFORMATION FOR US TO BE FOCUSING ON TOO. SO, BUT MELISSA, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT. NOT THAT IT'S FOREVER, BUT JUST THAT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THE CAPACITY FOR SEWER BEFORE WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE UPGRADES TO IT. RIGHT. WHICH THE, IT'S IN [01:35:01] NEED OF UPGRADES. IT'S RIGHT, RIGHT. HAS DUE FOR UPGRADES, I'M JUST GONNA PAY FOR THOSE UPGRADES. SO I'M, THAT'S A NOT, I'M NOT, THAT'S NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION. THAT'S NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION. I'M, I'M, THAT WAS A SINCERE QUESTION. LIKE, WELL, THE THING, MY ISSUE WITH THIS IS, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE THE TOWN GOT BURNED ON IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS I TALK ABOUT OFTEN. LIKE WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT. IF WE ALLOW IT, WE START EXTENDING IT BEYOND THE COMMERCIAL, WHICH WAS WHAT WE ORIGINALLY, SO THE SECOND ONE, YOU KNOW THAT YEAH, GO AHEAD. I I CAN, I CAN ADDRESS THAT UHHUH. SO, UM, TWO STATE STATUTES THAT ARE COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE ANDY GUEST STATUTES, UM, CLEARLY STATE, UM, APPROVING FOR ONE DOESN'T MEAN THERE'LL BE APPROVAL FOR ANYBODY ELSE. YEAH. IT JUST MEANS THE TOWN'S GONNA GET MORE BLACK FOR NOT FROM MULTIPLE BODIES. BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS, LIKE MELISSA WAS MENTIONING, THE ISSUES THAT WE FACED WITH OUR WATER TABLE HERE IN TOWN IS WHEN WE EXTENDED TO COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, THEY'RE NOT UNDER THE SAME REQUIREMENTS FOR CONSERVATION AS WE ARE. WE CAN'T REQUIRE PEOPLE OUT WATER. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED IN OUR NEEDS LIAISON MEETING WAS HOW TOWN RESIDENTS ARE UNDER RESTRICTION AND HOW THEY'RE NOT UNDER RESTRICTION. SO I I I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, YOU OBVIOUSLY WERE THERE. WE DID GET A DEFINITIVE ANSWER. OF COURSE THAT WASN'T A REPORT OF THE MEETING, BUT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT WERE PRESENT THERE, UH, DURING THAT DISCUSSION, DID IT SEEM AMICABLE OR THEY UNDERSTOOD OUR DILEMMA? MM-HMM. . SO, YOU KNOW, IF, I THINK JUST TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THIS, I MEAN PROBABLY SOONER THAN LATER TO ADDRESS THIS, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, TO HELP MITIGATE THAT. YEAH. IF YOU ARE A CUSTOMER OF THE TOWN'S WATER, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT TO, TO SAY NOT JUST TOWN RESIDENTS IF WE'RE UNDER MANDATORY OR VOLUNTARY OR WHATEVER, THAT IF YOU ARE A CUSTOMER OF THE TOWN, WHETHER YOU LIVE IN THE TOWN OR NOT, CAN THOSE RESTRICTIONS BE, I'LL TAKE A CRACK AT THAT. I THINK THAT COULD BE, UH, IN THE CONTRACTS, BUT THEN IT'S ENFORCEABLE AS A, YOU KNOW, REACH A CONTRACT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE ENFORCING AN ORDINANCE. COULD WE DO ORDINANCE THOUGH? WE COULD DO ORDINANCE THAT'S RIGHT. DO ORDINANCE, BUT THE COUNTY COULD, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO MAYBE THE PATH FORWARD IS GETTING THE COUNTY TO BE TO POSSIBLY, AND, AND WE DID BRING IT UP AT THE LAST LIAISON MEETING, BUT AS JOSH SAID, IT WAS MORE OF A, HEY, HAVE YOU GUYS EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE IT REALLY JUST BECAME AN ISSUE FOR US. AND THEY, I THINK WE WILL BE WASTING OUR RESOURCES AND OUR BREATH TO TRY TO GET THE COUNTY TO PASS AN ORDINANCE TO PROTECT THE TOWN'S RESOURCES. WELL I GET THAT, BUT WITHOUT THAT, IF WE CAN TRY. BUT WE'VE TRIED, IF COUNCIL ALSO DECIDES TO NOT PROVIDE WATER TO THESE INDUSTRIES WHICH BENEFITS ALL THE COUNTY CITIZENS, WHICH IS UPTOWN CITIZENS AS WELL FINANCIALLY FOR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT, UM, OR JOBS OR, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE THINGS I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD WANT, THEY WOULD WANNA RESPECT THAT. WE'RE ASKING OF COURSE, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, IF BOTH OF THESE ARE WAREHOUSES RIGHT. WAREHOUSES AND DISTRIBUTION CENTERS. RIGHT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. YEAH. HERE'S THE THING. THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE JUST USING IT FOR BATHROOM PURPOSES, I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR CONSERVATION MEASURES ARE GONNA ADDRESS. I MEAN, WHAT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE WASHING THEIR VEHICLES I WOULDN'T THINK. OR WATERING PLANTS, RIGHT? AM I I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING AND HONESTLY WE SAW IT WITH THE DIOCESE, BUT UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY OVERESTIMATE THEIR WATER USE. YEAH, THAT SEEMS HIGH TO ME. I DON'T KNOW. 4,200 IS NOT, THAT SEEMS I AGREE. IT SEEMS TO ME, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE, THE USE 60, I DON'T KNOW. IT SAYS TOILETS, WHATEVER BATHROOM. IS IT A 20? IT'S A 24 7 OPERATION. YES, I HAVE, I HAVE NO, BECAUSE I DON'T, IT SAYS 24 HOURS OPERATION, ASSUMED 210 EMPLOYEES. ESTIMATED USAGE. 4,200 FOR EIGHT PLUS OR MINUS TOILETS. EIGHT PLUS OR MINUS URINALS AND FOUR SINKS. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S DEFINITELY AS MUCH AS IN EIGHT 16 OUNCE CONSISTENT. YEAH. [01:40:01] THAT, THAT WAS THE INCONSISTENCIES THAT I WAS ALLUDING TO WAS, UH, YOU COMPARED THE TWO, THE, THE, THE NEXT ONE, THE TORI ONE ESTIMATING 1800, THAT THEY HAVE 16 TOILETS, FOUR URINALS. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING, BRUCE. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY. AND SO, BUT YEAH, THERE'S NO ESTIMATION OF THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND WHEREAS ON THE OTHER ONE THEY ACTUALLY GAVE YOU SOME, IT ALSO DOESN'T SAY 24 HOUR OPERATION. YEAH, IT DOESN'T SAY 24 HOURS. SO THINK IS 24 HOURS IN. SO I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S, THERE'S SOME INFINITE INCONSISTENCY. IS THIS THE TORAY ONE? IS THIS JUST IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE IS THEIR BUSINESS? DON'T KNOW. I THINK THEY OWN THE PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ACTUALLY A TORRE, UH, WAREHOUSE. SO COUNSEL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT PEOPLE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? WHERE CAN WE GET THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS WHEN WE GO TO THE COUNTY COURT SO I CAN GET THE ANSWERS? I, I, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY A STANDARD ON WATER USAGE FOR TOLL AS URINALS AND SINKS. AND I THINK THAT'S HOW THEY, I I CAN BACK INTO THIS NUMBER TO DETERMINE THAT SO I CAN COME BACK WITH THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I THINK ALSO, WHICH WOULD BE APPARENT, AND I APOLOGIZE, DON'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION TO TONIGHT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WARRANTED TO DISCUSS THE UPGRADE REQUIRED AT RIVERTON AS WELL AS THE OTHER PUMP STATIONS BECAUSE, UH, EVEN WHILE THIS, WE'RE ALREADY, WE'RE ALREADY, WE HAVE NO CAPACITY. WE NEED TO KNOW THAT. AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY PERTINENT INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE WE MOVE. SO I CAN TAKE BOTH THESE APPLICATIONS IF YOU LIKE, AND BRING 'EM BACK TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION, UH, WITH THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. YEAH, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE BECAUSE ALSO, I MEAN THEY ARE PAYING 200% IN TOWN RATES. SO IF THEY USED A LOT THEN, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CONTRIBUTE THAT TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES. IT'D BE NICE IF THEY WERE LIKE, IT'S THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT CHARGE, THE CONNECTION FEE YEAH. TIMES TOO. SO THEY WOULD BE HAVING TO PAY THAT THEN THEY'D HAVE TO BE PAYING DOUBLE WATER AND SEWER AND WE COULD USE THAT TO TRY TO OFFSET SOMEBODY ELSE. I'M IN THE BUCKET AND PARIS. BUT YEAH. I GOT ONE MORE I RECEIPT TODAY THAT OH LORD, OUT IN THE SAME SPOT, INDUSTRIAL. DID THEY GIVE YOU ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF WATER THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT? THERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A ROBUST ECONOMY THOUGH. SIX, SIX TOILETS AND 50. I KNOW. HONESTLY, I DON'T REMEMBER. I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT VERY THOROUGH THIS MORNING, BUT I DID GET, WOW. I ASKED THIS QUESTION WITH THE DIOCESE AND I'M GONNA ASK IT AGAIN THIS TIME AND I WOULD IMAGINE THIS IS DIFFERENT, BUT IF WE WOULD SAY YES, IF COUNSEL WOULD AGREE TO PROVIDE THE WATER AND SEWER FOR THIS, AND THEN THERE COMES A TIME IN OUR FUTURE, MAYBE NOT EVEN IN OUR LIFETIME, WHERE WE SAY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH TO, TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER TO THOSE WE'RE OBLIGATED WITHIN THE TOWN LIMIT. 'CAUSE THAT THOSE, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY OBLIGATED. CAN YOU GO BACK ON THIS? UM, SORRY, GO BACK ON OUR AGREE. CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO BACK LATER? COUNSEL'S ALREADY DIRECTED ME TO INCLUDE THAT PROVISION IN THE ONES THAT WERE APPROVED LAST NIGHT. WE OKAY, THEN I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, X AVAILABILITY WILL BE A, IF WE DIDN'T PUT 'EM IN THE AGREEMENT, IF WE, AND I'M GETTING HYPOTHETICAL, IF WE, IF COUNSEL SAYS NO, WHAT IS THEIR ALTERNATIVE TO PUT IN GROUND WELLS? THAT WOULD BE A COUNTY ISSUE, RIGHT? I KNOW. I'M I'M BEING HYPOTHETICAL. IS THAT THE ONLY OTHER OPTION THEY GOT TO, RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN THEY WOULD HAVE TO. I'M NOT PERCENT SURE ON THAT. OKAY. I WAS JUST ASKING BECAUSE THEN THAT IMPACTS THE WATER TABLE OUT THERE FOR ALL THE OTHER CITIZENS IN THE AREA THAT HAVE WELLS TOO. UM, RIGHT. OR SO WE'VE BEEN TOLD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO MR. WALTZ, IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE ARE ASKING THAT WE GATHER SOME MORE INFORMATION. I WILL BRING BOTH THESE ITEMS BACK ON DECEMBER 2ND FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, THOUGH, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE GAVE MR. WALTZ A HEADS UP SO HE CAN ASK THEM OR TRY TO GATHER THE INFORMATION RIGHT INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL DECEMBER 2ND TO ASK AGAIN. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW YOU HAVE A QUESTION UNTIL YOU GET THE INFORMATION. THE LAST ITEM ON THIS PART IS ITEM THREE J, WHICH IS DOWNTOWN FRONT OIL. UM, SO MR. , IS IT YOU? YEAH, THAT'S ME. I'M TRYING TO [01:45:01] GET TO MY COVER SHEET. NO, IT'S OKAY. NO, NO, NO. I'M, I'M TALKING OUT LOUD. I COULD HAVE READ THAT. NO WORRIES. LIKE EASY. UM, WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL INC. UH, THEY ARE INTERESTED IN INSTALLING A DOWNTOWN FRONT ROW SIGN AT THE INTERSECTION OF COMMERCE. AND MAY, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE USED TO BE A SIGN THERE FROM 1999 TILL IT WAS REMOVED IN LATE 2018. UH, THE DBA WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THAT SIGN AND MAINTENANCE. UH, IN 2018, THEY DECIDED THAT THE SIGN WAS IN DISREPAIR AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO MAINTAIN IT ANYMORE AND WE REMOVED IT. SO, UH, DFR IS REQUESTING THAT KIND OF, THAT SAME PERMISSION THAT DBA HAD THE PERMISSION TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL A SIGN AT THAT, AT THAT, UH, PARTIAL THERE, UH, FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND SO WHAT THEY'RE SEEKING IS JUST, UH, BASICALLY WE DON'T GIVE LEASES. I GUESS IT WOULD BE A LICENSE TO OPERATE AND INSTALL THAT SIGN ON THERE. AND I PUT IN, IN THE PACKET, I PUT IN A, I WAS LUCKY APPLYING A PICTURE OF THE OLD SIGN THAT USED TO BE THERE, THAT IN 2018, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD SIGN. YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE SAME SIGN. I DON'T THINK SO. NO. I I HAVE NOT SEEN THE CONCEPT YET. THAT SON WAS DONE BY, UH, THE GUY THAT HAD HEAVEN SET, UM, SILL. I THOUGHT THOUGH, AND, AND AGAIN, THIS MIGHT BE MAYBE COUNCIL ONCE QUESTIONS ANSWERED ABOUT THIS TOO, BUT I THOUGHT THAT, I WAS TOLD THAT WHAT THEY WANTED TO PUT UP THERE WOULD BE A MORE PERMANENT THING THAT'S NOT, OH, IT WOULDN'T BE A PERMANENT SIGN. IT WOULD BE PERMANENT AND IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE. WHEREAS LIKE THIS WOODEN THING WOULD OBVIOUSLY REQUIRE MAINTENANCE OVER TIME. WERE THEY TALKING ABOUT A BRICK STRUCTURE? I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THEY ARE STILL IN THE EARLY STAGES. WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WAS MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD THE PERMISSION TO SPEND THE MONEY TO ACTUALLY GET A DESIGN DONE IN EVERYTHING. I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. YEAH, I AM TOO. ABSOLUTELY. AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALSO GONNA TRY TO GET, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA TRY TO GET SOME GRANT MONEY FOR IT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS JUST CONSENSUS THAT THEY CAN PROCEED. THEY WILL COME BACK AND SHOW YOU WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO DOWN THERE AND, AND YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THAT AS WELL. DUNK, I THINK IT IS TOO. LOVE LETTERS. OH YEAH. I THINK ANYTIME WE CAN ADVERTISE OUR DOWNTOWN MORE TO SEND PEOPLE THAT WAY IS GONNA BE ASSIGNED, PUT UP HERE BY SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT. WELL, RIGHT NOW THE LOVE LETTERS ARE THERE. RIGHT? AND THERE'S AN AGREEMENT FOR THEM. LOVE LETTERS THERE THAT WILL EXPIRE IN 2025. DON'T KNOW WHAT DATE THAT IS. I WANNA SAY IT WAS EARLIER IN THE YEAR WE, WE APPROVED IT WHEN IT, BUT BECAUSE THEY PAID LIKE A DOLLAR TO USE IT OR SOME KIND OF SOMETHING. GEORGE FRY. ACTUALLY I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT ONE. NO, NO, I'M SAYING IT. I I, YEAH, I THINK IT WAS FOR A DOLLAR. YEAH, IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE LOVE LETTERS, THAT WAS A BIG THING. THERE WAS LOVE LETTERS HERE AND LOVE LETTERS HERE AND LOVE LETTERS THERE. BUT ANYWAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE ALL GOOD TO THAT. YEAH, WE DON'T SEE ANY CONFLICT WITH THAT. EVERYBODY BEING SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. YEP. WE'LL BRING IT BACK ONCE WE GET CLOSER. OKAY. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS THE CLOSED MEETING. AND SO IF ARE WE NOT DO WANT ITEM NUMBER FOUR? OH GOSH, YES. SORRY. THAT WAS, THAT WAS ME. I WAS READY. IT WASN'T IN THE PAPER. SO, SO EVERYBODY THAT IS HERE, WE'LL BE HERE AGAIN IN JANUARY. AND I JUST WANT TO PUBLICLY SAY THAT IS THE FIRST TIME SINCE I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH TOWN COUNCIL. SO THAT IS THE CASE. NORMALLY IN JANUARY WE EITHER HAVE SOMEBODY NEW OR WE GOTTA APPOINT SOMEBODY. SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING IN JANUARY. THIS GROUP, BECAUSE WE'RE ON, THERE'S NOBODY THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE TRAINED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO MR. WATSON AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, GO AHEAD AND START PLANNING FOR A COUNCIL RETREAT WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT OUR GOALS AND, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT DATES YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT. WE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY END OF JANUARY, BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR. UM, I MEAN, WE COULD DO THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY'S SO IT'S SO MUCH GOING ON ONCE THE HOLIDAYS ARE OVER WITH. SO WE JUST NEED TO KNOW IF PEOPLE WANNA DO TWO EVENINGS. WE DID THAT THE LAST TIME. WE COULD DO TWO EVENINGS DURING THE WEEK OR IF PEOPLE WOULD WANNA DO A SATURDAY, MAYBE ONE LONG ONE. UM, WE, WE TOYED AROUND THE WHOLE FRIDAY NIGHT. SATURDAY. WE, WE'D DONE THAT BEFORE IN THE PAST, [01:50:01] BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU, THAT WAS NEVER A, THAT JUST BY FRIDAY NIGHT, EVERYBODY WAS JUST, THEY WERE SPENT AND YOU JUST DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH MUCH. AND THEN FRIDAY YOU CAME BACK TIRED TOO. UM, SO WHAT, WHAT IS THIS COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? DO YOU WANT TO DO TWO EVENING NIGHTS? I JUST THINK THE WHOLE ONE DAY THING, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT SINCE MY TIME ON COUNSEL, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE FOOD FOR THOUGHT DURING THESE. WE WRITE THINGS, WE DISCUSS THINGS AND THEN WE GO HOME AND WE SLEEP ON IT AND WE HAVE CLARITY AND WE'RE NOT LOCKED IN A ROOM TOGETHER IN OUR OWN FREE TIME AND WE COME BACK REFRESHED THE NEXT TIME EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT FUN. UM, SORRY, I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID IT LIKE THAT. NO, I, I, I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST, IT'S NOT FUN TO SPEND EXTRA EVENING. THAT'S, I'M, I DON'T ONE LONG SESSION. I, I FIND IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN WE USED TO HAVE LONG, LONG, WE USED LONGER WORK SESSIONS. BY THE TIME EVERYBODY, THEY'RE SLAP HAPPY, NOBODY'S THINKING CLEARLY OUR MISSION AND VISION CAME BACK CLEARER AFTER WE LIKE ALL WENT HOME AND PROCESSED AND THOUGHT ABOUT OUR MISSION STATEMENT AND OUR VISION STATEMENT. AND A LOT OF GOOD THINGS CAME OUT OF THAT COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AFTER WE HAD SHARED WHEN IT CAME BACK AND DECIDED. SO, AND I ALSO THINK THIS YEAR TOO, IT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT BECAUSE LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE SETTING GOALS AND ACTION STEPS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAD A LOT MORE GOALS, BUT WE TRIED TO PA IT DOWN TO MANAGEABLE THINGS. SO MAYBE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE IDENTIFIED LAST YEAR COULD RISE TO THE SURFACE BECAUSE WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED SOME THINGS. SO IT MAY NOT BE, IT, IT SHOULDN'T BE AS MUCH HOMEWORK PRIOR TO, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW LAST YEAR WE HAD A TON OF LIKE, SURVEYS TO DO BEFORE? SO THE QUESTION IS Y'ALL WANNA DO TWO EVENINGS OR AN EVENING WITH A BREAK AND AN EVENING OR AN EVENING AND THEN COME BACK THE NEXT WEEK? YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA REALLY DEPEND ON WHO WE GET AS A FACILITATOR TOO. BUT, SO I WOULD PREFER TO DO TWO EVENINGS. TWO, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT IN THE BEGINNING. OKAY. HOW ABOUT YOU MELISSA? I DON'T CARE. OKAY. AMBER SAID TWO EVENINGS. JOSH, I DON'T CARE. I'M FINE WITH ANYTHING. TWO EVENINGS FINE, TWO EVENINGS, WHATEVER. OKAY. DO THOSE EVENINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY WE ASKED EVERYBODY THAT I, WE BRING A CALENDAR TWO EVENINGS, BUT DO WE WANNA DO TWO EVENINGS BACK TO BACK OR IF WE FIND A FACILITATOR THAT WOULD LET US HAVE A BREAK IN BETWEEN, THAT WOULD BE REALLY COOL. SO I AM EXPLORING A FEW FACILITATORS. I'M NOT GOING BACK TO THE POOL THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH, BUT THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KIND OF SET THESE DATES AND THEN I'M GONNA FIND A FACILITATOR THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE OUR SCHEDULE. SO IF WE WANNA DO ONE AND THEN WAIT A WEEK OR TWO BEFORE DOING THE OTHER ONE, IF I HAVE THAT INFORMATION GOING IN, I CAN GET THE FACILITATOR, GO FIND. I'D LIKE ONE WEEK AND ONE WEEK. YEAH. I WOULDN'T WAIT. I WOULDN'T WAIT MORE THAN A WEEK. OKAY. I THINK IT, YEAH, WE'D LOSE MOMENTUM NOW. MM-HMM. . SO IF YOU'LL LOOK AT YOUR JANUARY AND YOUR FEBRUARY, IF EVERYBODY WILL LOOK AT THAT. SO JANUARY 20TH IS A MONDAY, BUT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING AND STAFF WON'T BE HERE EITHER BECAUSE IT'S ALSO MARTIN LUTHER KING TODAY. SO WE DEFINITELY WOULDN'T BE NEEDING TO DO THAT. NOW. WE COULD DO A MEETING THAT WEEK BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEET. LIKE THAT COULD BE A THAT WEEK. 'CAUSE WE ALREADY DON'T HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING. WE COULD MAKE ONE OF THOSE NIGHTS WORK. AND THEN, BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT THE NEXT WEEK WE WOULD HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING ON JANUARY 27TH. BUT IF YOU ALL WANTED TO DO, IF YOU ALL WANTED TO DO ONE WEEK AND THE NEXT WEEK, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD FIT. OR IF WE WENT INTO FEBRUARY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A COUNT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THE THIRD. WE'RE GONNA HAVE WORK SESSION ON THE 10TH. THE 17TH IS PRESIDENT'S DAY. SO MONDAY WE WENT AND HAD A MEETING ANYWAY. SO MAYBE LIKE A TU MAYBE A TUESDAY THURSDAY WOULD WORK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, TUESDAY THE 21ST AND THURSDAY THE 23RD. YEAH. GIVES YOUR DAY OF REST. BUT IT'S, I DON'T, MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY ALSO FALLS ON THE INAUGURATION. YEAH. OKAY. YEP. YEP. SO THE, SO YOU DON'T WANT 23RD, YOU DON'T WANT TO WAIT A WEEK OR, OR, OR WE COULD WAIT A WEEK, BUT WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING THE FOLLOWING WEEK AS WELL AS, UH, WELL SHOOT, WE HAVE A TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING THAT WEEK AND THE WEDNESDAY. SO WE'D MEET TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY. MM-HMM. . HOW ABOUT AGAIN? HOW ABOUT JANUARY 21ST? THAT'S A TUESDAY. MM-HMM. . AND THEN MAYBE THE NEXT THURSDAY ON THE 30TH. THAT'S FINE. DOES THAT BREAK IT UP ENOUGH? WHAT? SORRY? BE HERE ON THE 30TH. OKAY. UM, THAT'S LOCAL [01:55:01] GOVERNMENT DAY. OH, THAT RIGHT. BMS. TRUE. OKAY. WELL I JUST GOT OUR, OUR GREAT, WELL THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE HAS A MEETING IF THERE'S NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE, SO DON'T NOT DO IT THE SAME WEEK BECAUSE OF US. YEAH. SO WHAT, SO WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? LIKE IF WE DID THE 21ST AND THE 22ND. THE 21ST AND THE 23RD, OR YOU COULD BACK IT UP AND DO THE 16TH AND THE 21ST THURSDAY. I ACTUALLY WAS GONNA SAY THAT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF, IS THAT TOO SOON, JOE? FOR US TO GET READY FROM THE 16TH? IF WE STARTED LIKE JANUARY 16TH, THAT'S A THURSDAY, BUT THEN NO, I CAN AND THEN, AND THEN DID THE 23RD. I CAN'T DO 16TH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. JUST AND THE 23RD, 16TH. THANKS FOR SAYING THAT TINA. MM-HMM. . RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS THE THIRD WE'RE HOSTING. OKAY. I'M GONNA PUT THAT IN MY CALENDAR RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT ABOUT THE 21ST AND THE 28TH? BUT WE'D STILL BE HERE TWO NIGHTS BACK TO BACK WITH EACH OTHER. OH, WHAT ABOUT THE 14TH? SENT JOHN INVITE TO THE LIAISON. THIS IS WHY I DON'T LIKE THIS CALENDAR. 18. WHAT ABOUT WE GOT A WORK, OH, WE GOT A WORK SESSION ON THE 13TH. ON 14TH. MM-HMM. I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. WE MEET THE FIRST TWO. OH, THAT'S A WEDNESDAY SIXTH AND THE 13TH. WE'LL HAVE WORK SESSIONS. . WELL, DO WE ALL AGREE AT LEAST THAT JANUARY 21ST IS THE DAY THAT WE CAN MAKE WORK? 'CAUSE WE WOULD'VE BEEN OFF YEAH. THE DAY BEFORE. SO THE 21ST. I, I WOULD SAY THE 21ST AND 28TH. BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE 28TH WOULD FOLLOW A COUNCIL MEETING. THAT'S WHAT I, WE NEVER KNOW HOW LATE THAT'S GONNA BE. YEAH. UM, AND IF YOU'RE GONNA GET UP AND GO TO RICHMOND ON THE 30TH, THEN YOU DON'T WANNA DO THE LATE THE 29TH. TRUE. WELL WHAT WERE THE DATES WE WERE PROPOSING IN FEBRUARY? UM, FEBRUARY THE THIRD, THE 10TH. BETTER PRESIDENT STAYS ON THE 17TH. YEAH. WHAT IF WE DID LIKE THE 17TH AND THE 19TH OR FEBRUARY? YOU ALL? WELL, 17TH. EVERY, I WOULDN'T WANNA DO THAT. OH, NEVER PROBLEM. BUT WHAT ABOUT, IT'S SENT LIKE, UH, WHAT ABOUT THE 18TH AND THE 19TH? WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY THE 13TH AND THE 18TH BECAUSE IF Y'ALL WANTED TO HAVE A IN BETWEEN SO THAT WE'RE NOT BACK TO BACK WE COULD DO WELL EARLIER. SOMEONE, SOMEONE SAID THE 21ST AND THE 23RD OF JANUARY. WELL, I REMEMBER SAID SHE COULDN'T DO THE 23RD AND, AND OH REALLY? NO. WELL I KNOW WE CAN'T. UM, BUT THEN, AND THE 30TH WAS, WELL, WE GO INTO FEBRUARY. IT'S GONNA I'LL, IF IT DOES, WE WE CAN ALWAYS DO VIRTUAL IF WE HAD TO NO, TO THE 18TH AND THE 19TH OF FEBRUARY. WE DON'T MEET THAT WEEK. AND IT'S A SHORT WORK WEEK. HOW HOW ABOUT THIS JUST, I'M JUST STILL GOING INTO JANUARY. WHAT ABOUT THE NIGHT OF JANUARY? THAT'S A THURSDAY AND THE 15TH OF JANUARY? OR IS THAT TOO SOON? I WON'T BE HERE. NO, IT'S NOT TOO SOON. OKAY. YOU WON'T BE HERE. SEE, THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE BRING THIS CALENDAR. I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING IT THIS WAY INSTEAD OF SENDING TINA DATES. 'CAUSE WE'D BE ALL, HEY, UM, WAYNE, ARE YOU NOT GONNA BE HERE THAT WHOLE WEEK? I'M LEAVING ON THE EIGHTH AND BE BACK ON THE 15TH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SEVEN THE 21ST. I THINK IT'S TWO FAR. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THE 15TH AND THE 22ND? WHAT MONTH ARE WE IN NOW? JANUARY. . NOVEMBER. THIS IS ON CAMERA. SO SEE HOW BUSY WE ARE. OKAY. HOW ABOUT JANUARY 15TH AND THE 22ND? THOSE ARE WEDNESDAYS FINE. NO. YEAH, I WORKED. OH, OKAY. SORRY. BUT WE'LL BE FOR WHAT? 15TH, BUT WAYNE WON'T BE IN UNTIL LATE ON THE 15TH HE SAID. OH, OKAY. ON THE 14TH AND THE 22ND. WELL, THE ONLY THING WAS WE HAD A MEETING ON THE 13. HOW ABOUT THE, HOW ABOUT THE 21ST AND THE 29TH OF JANUARY. 21ST IS A TUESDAY AND THE 29TH IS A WEDNESDAY. SURE. YEAH. THAT WORKS FOR . DOES THAT WORK? YEAH. I DON'T, IT'S A MIRACLE. EVEN THOUGH I EVEN, I HAVE TO GET UP EARLY IN THE MORNING ON THE 30TH. BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE, WE TRY WHAT'S WRONG? [02:00:01] NO, I WON'T EXPLAIN THE DATES. THE 30TH. YEAH. RIGHT. BRUCE IS NOT GONNA BE HERE. BRUCE. WELL, HE'S, HE IS GOING DOWN THAT MORNING. HE DOWN THAT MORNING. WHAT TIME ARE WE GONNA GET OUT THAT NIGHT? WELL, I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO SAY WHEN HE BROUGHT IT UP, IF THESE WE CAN START EARLIER. WE CAN START THOSE AT SIX O'CLOCK. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT BY ANY KIND OF THING IN OUR CODE. CORRECT. IT'S WHATEVER TIME YOU, SO JUST LIKE WE DID YOU GET HERE BY SIX? YEAH, I CAN ON A WEDNESDAY. WE SHOULDN'T GO PAST, WE SHOULDN'T GO PAST 10 ANYWAY. WE'LL, WE'LL LOSE 10. I'M, I THINK WHAT WE DID, WE DIDN'T GO LATE LAST YEAR. I THINK MIKE CHANDLER LAST YEAR WE DID THREE HOURS. RIGHT. I THINK THE GOAL WOULD BE THREE. YEAH. I THINK THE GOAL WOULD BE, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS, THIS WILL BE A TIME WHERE WE HAVE DINNER. THIS WILL BE A TIME WHERE WE PICK OUR DINNER AND IT'LL BE AVAILABLE TO US SO PEOPLE COULD COME, YOU KNOW, AT FIVE 30 AND START EATING. SO AT SIX O'CLOCK WE START. OKAY. IS THAT BRUCE? SO HANG WHAT, HANG ON A MINUTE. OKAY. IT'S OKAY. THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. I JUST WANNA, AND HOPEFULLY THE GOODNESS COUNSEL, WE CAN MAKE THESE DATES. YEAH, WELL IT'S OKAY. IT'S TOUGH. I KNOW THAT'S GONNA BE TOUGH BECAUSE, UM, OKAY, WELL THEN LET'S, LET'S BACK IT UP. WE'LL GO INTO FEBRUARY. YEAH, I, YEAH, I DON'T WANT YOU TO, I DON'T KNOW. I'M THINKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC RIGHT IN THE MORNING. YEP. I GOT YOU. FEBRUARY. EVERYBODY PULL UP FEBRUARY ONE MORE TIME AND WE'RE GONNA ALRIGHT. WILL FEBRUARY THE 11TH AND 18TH WORK? I FEEL LIKE I'M REPEATING THE SAME THINGS, BUT THE 11TH. YES. AND THE 18TH. YES. SO THE 11TH WILL FOLLOW A WORK SESSION AND JOE, AND I'LL TRY TO A SMALLER AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 10TH. THAT'LL BE OUR GOAL, RIGHT JOE? YEP. SO THE 11TH AND THE 18TH. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL RETREAT. OKAY. AND IT'LL BE SIX TO NINE, RIGHT? SIX TO SIX TO 10, RIGHT. I'LL DO WHATEVER Y'ALL WANNA DO. , HOW WAS Y'ALL? NIGHT OWL . IT, IT'LL BE SIX, IT'LL BE 10. I'LL BE THERE AT 10. YOU'LL BE SITTING THERE TALKING TO YOURSELF. , I'LL BE IN BED AT 10 TONIGHT TOO, SO Y'ALL BETTER TALK FASTER. ALRIGHT. SIX TO 10. SIX TO NINE. SORRY, I, I DON'T, I'M ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST PUTTING IN MY CALENDAR. GOT LORI FLEX. SIX TO NINE. WE'RE DONE. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT COUNCILMAN WOOD KNOWS ABOUT THIS. Y'ALL HAVE TO GO ALL. GO AHEAD. I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES. ONE PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 11 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, THE LOCAL BOARD OF BUILDING CODE APPEALS FOR ROYAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY. AND TWO, PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A EIGHT OF THE CODE, CODE OF VIRGINIA CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE INSOLVENCY AND DISSOLUTION OF THE INVESTIG DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, AND THE COUNTY FOUR IN VIRGINIA. SECOND, PLEASE. YES, COUNCIL? YES. COUNCIL, YES. COUNSEL RAPPAPORT. YES. COUNSEL INDEED. DEMON. YES. COUNSEL WOOD. OKAY, SO NOW WE ARE NOW ENCLOSED. I'M. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.