[Board of Architectural Review on October 8, 2024.]
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ALL RIGHT, LET'S CALL THE ORDER, UM, MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR TUESDAY, OCTOBER 8TH, 2024.UH, CAN WE GET A ROLL? CHAIRMAN WATERS PRESENT.
MS. RODER, SHE'S ABSENT TONIGHT.
MS. AERS PRESENT? WE HAVE A QUORUM.
UM, DID EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES? YES.
ANYONE LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? I WANTED TO PROPOSE A CORRECTION.
UM, I WANTED TO ADD THAT, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT'S FOR THE BLUE RIDGE, HAVING THE HOUSE THAT COLIN FIRST ASKED THE APPLICANTS IF THEY HAD CONSIDERED ANY OTHER DESIGNS FOR THE DUPLEX, UM, TO WHICH THEY STATED THAT THEY DID NOT, AND THEY WERE USING THE DESIGN THEY ALWAYS USE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SELLS.
WE MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? YEAH.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THOSE CHANGES OKAY.
OR I CAN CHANGE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING, SO YOU CAN CONFIRM WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REVISIT AN INCIDENT NEXT MEETING.
NEW BUSINESS APPLICATION 2 4 0 0 5 3 3 FOR, UM, ONE 16 VIRGINIA AVENUE.
SO STAFF HAS PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER FOR, UH, YOU HAVE TWO, UH, ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FOR NEW BUSINESS AND ONE FOR OLD BUSINESS.
UH, SO THE, THE NEW ONE FOR THE NEW BUSINESS, THE CURRENT ONE, AND THE OLD BUSINESS IS FOR, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
SO WE'RE GONNA HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
SO YOU HAVE THREE APPLICATIONS TONIGHT.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS HERE ON VIRGINIA AVENUE HERE IN THE, UH, DOWNTOWN BUSINESS AREA.
THE SECOND APPLICATION IS HERE IN THE CHESTER STREET AREA, AND THE THIRD APPLICATION IS DOWN HERE, THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE APPLICATIONS FOR YOU TONIGHT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, SO JUST SOME MAJOR ACTIONS WHILE WE'RE MEETING FOR THESE ITEMS. UH, PER TOWN CODE 1 75 89, UH, THERE'S SEVEN UNDER A, THERE'S SEVEN CRITERIA FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE, UH, TO HEAR FOR A MAJOR ACTION.
UH, SO UNDER NUMBER TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF ANY NEW MAIN BUILDINGS OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WHICH EXCEEDS 500 S SQUARE FEET IN SIZE WITHIN THE DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT, OR AN ADJACENT SITE TO A DESIGNATED LANDMARK.
SO THAT'S ITEMS ONE AND THREE, UH, ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
IT'S A MAJOR ACTION FROM THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND NOT FROM STAFF.
ALONG WITH, UH, THAT PART OF THE CODE, UH, A, B OR B, C AND D UH, JUST HIGHLIGHTED A FEW THINGS.
THE BAR SHOULD GIVE REASONS FOR ITS DECISIONS AND ACT PROMPTLY ON THE APPLICATION BEFORE AND SHALL COORDINATE ITS PROCEDURES WITH THOSE OTHER AGENCIES AND INDIVIDUALS CHARGED WITH ADMINISTRATION OF THIS ARTICLE.
AND TO KEEP IN MIND, FOR PLANS INVOLVING NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE BOARD'S CONCERN SHALL FOCUS ON WHETHER SUCH PLANS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH AND ENHANCE THE HISTORIC OR ARCHITECTURAL VALUE OF SURROUNDING STRUCTURES, UH, SURROUNDING STRUCTURES OR THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO WE DO HAVE, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION ON TWO OF THESE APPLICATIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT OR BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION, WHY THESE ARE, UH, CONSIDERED MAJOR ACTIONS.
UH, THESE ARE ALL PART OF TOWN CODE, AND WE DID, UH, AND THE GUIDELINES.
SO 1 75 91 IS THIS GUIDELINES FOR THE REVIEW FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, UNDER A, THERE ARE EIGHT ITEMS, ONE THROUGH EIGHT AND UNDER EIGHT, ACTUALLY, UH, A THROUGH L.
SO THESE ARE PART OF THE CHECKLIST THAT YOU SHOULD, UH, REVIEW FOR THESE APPLICATIONS.
THEY SHOULD, UH, THOSE ARE PART OF THE STAFF REPORT, AND IT IS ALSO PART OF THE GUIDELINES THAT
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YOU RECEIVE WHEN WE DO HAVE THESE APPLICATIONS.SO THOSE ARE THE GUIDELINES YOU SHOULD REVIEW, BE REVIEWING THESE APPLICATIONS BASED ON THESE GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL.
UM, THE REVIEWING BODIES SHALL NOT ADOPT OR IMPOSE ANY SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IN ADMINISTRATION OF THIS ARTICLE.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION, UH, WITH, WITH THAT PART OF THE GUIDELINES.
UH, SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, PART OF THE GUIDELINES, WE TOOK A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE GUIDELINES, JUST SO FOR THE PUBLIC'S GENERAL VIEW.
I'M SURE Y'ALL REVIEWED THE GUIDELINES OR, AND KNOW THOSE QUITE WELL.
SO JUST UNDER PART OF THAT, FOR THE PUBLIC, UNDER SITE IMPROVEMENTS, GARAGES OUT BUILDINGS AND SITE FEATURES.
SO YOU HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS FOR THIS.
THIS IS RIGHT OUT IN THE GUIDELINES FOR YOUR REVIEW.
UH, THINGS FOR YOU SHOULD CONSIDER, UH, MANY HOUSES IN FRONT ROW HAVE GARAGES, OUTBUILDINGS, AND DISTINCTIVE SITE FEATURES.
SOME TYPICAL OUTBUILDINGS INCLUDE GARAGES OR CARRIAGE HOUSES.
SO UNDER ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE DESIGN OF NEW GARAGES OR OUTBUILDINGS SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE STYLE OF MAJOR BUILDINGS ON THE SITE, ESPECIALLY THE MATERIAL AND ROOF SLOPE.
NEW GARAGES OR OUTBUILDINGS SHOULD BE LOCATED IN THE REAR OF THE MAIN HOUSE, OR THEY SHOULD BE PLACED TO THE SIDE OF THE MAIN HOUSE WITHOUT, WITHOUT EXTENDING IN FRONT OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE HOUSE.
AND THE SCALE OF NEW BUILDINGS OR OUTBUILDING, OR NEW GARAGES OR OUTBUILDINGS, SHOULD NOT OVERPOWER THE EXISTING HOUSE OR THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING LOT.
SO THAT'S PART OF YOUR GUIDELINES FOR, UH, GARAGES, OUTBUILDINGS, AND SITE FEATURES.
ALSO, UNDER THE GUIDELINES, THERE IS A SECTION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT'S WHAT THESE TWO APPLICATIONS ARE GONNA BE CONSIDERED NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UH, JUST TO POINT OUT, THE GUIDELINES OFFER GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE DESIGN OF ALL NEW BUILDINGS IN THE FRONT ROYALS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THE FOUNDATION IS PART OF THAT.
UH, THE FOUNDATION SHOULD DISTINGUISH THE FOUND FOUNDATION FROM THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE.
UH, IT SHOULD ALSO, WE, YOU SHOULD TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION WITH RESPECT TO HEIGHT AND CONTRAST TO MATERIALS AND UNDER MATERIALS AND TEXTURES.
THE SELECTION OF MATERIALS AND TEXTURES OF A NEW BUILDING SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH AND COMPLEMENT THE NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS IN ORDER TO STRENGTHEN THE TRADITIONAL IMAGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS OF THE SORT DISTRICT, BRICKEN WOOD SIDING ARE MOST APPROPRIATE MATERIALS FOR NEW BUILDINGS.
OF COURSE, THIS IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, SO THE STANDARDS ARE A LITTLE BIT LESS FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAN THEY ARE ON PRIMARY DWELLINGS OR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
UH, SYNTHETIC SIDINGS, INCLUDING VINYL, ALUMINUM AND SYNTHETIC STUCCO, LIKE FINISHES, ARE NOT CLOUDY MATERIALS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THEIR, AND THEIR USE SHOULD BE AVOIDED.
SO THAT'S PART OF, UH, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER ALSO CONSIDERED A, THE SIZE OF THE NEW BUILDING CAN EITHER CONTRIBUTE OR BE IN CONFLICT WITH HISTORIC AREA.
HE AND WIDTH CREATES SCALE OR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND THE SIZE OF THE PERSON.
SCALE ALSO CAN BE DEFINED AS RELATIONSHIP OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING TO NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS AND OF A BUILDING TO ITS SITE.
SO THOSE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD ALSO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE GUIDELINES.
NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD RELATE TO THE FOOTPRINT AND MASSING OF THE MAJORITY OF SURROUNDING HISTORIC DWELLINGS.
AND ALSO, YOU SHOULD TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE ROOF, THE ROOF DESIGN, THE MATERIALS, TEXTURES, UH, COMMON FORMS INCLUDE HIP ROOFS, GABLE ROOFS, CROSS GABLES, GAMBLE ROOFS, AS WELL AS A COMBINATION OF THE ABOVE.
ALSO FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE USE OF ROOFING MATERIAL, SH SH UH, SHOULD BE SUCH AS METAL OR SLATE.
HOWEVER, ASPHALT SHINGLES DO NOT USE LIGHT COLLARS.
CONSIDER USING DARKER TEXTURED SHINGLES THAT RESEMBLES SLATE OR WOOD SHINGLES.
AND THEN THESE ARE JUST GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.
SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER DEN, BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU USED THE PART OF TOWN CODE, UH, AND THE CHECKLIST PROVIDED, UH, FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THESE APPLICATIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH A LOT OF STUFF, BUT I'M, I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THESE GUIDELINES.
I JUST WANNA, SINCE WE HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, JUST BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND TO THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, WHERE THESE COME FROM.
SO THIS IS OUR FIRST APPLICATION.
UH, THIS IS FOR A NEW CONSTRUCTION OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
IT'S A 20 BY 48 GARAGE AT ONE 16 VIRGINIA AVENUE.
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R THREE, IT IS IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, AND OF COURSE LOCATED IN HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.UH, IT'S LOCATED HERE AT BASICALLY NEAR THE CORNER OF VIRGINIA AND WEST 15TH STREET.
THE PRESENT HOME THERE WAS ACTUALLY, THIS WAS A VACANT LOT, AND THEY DID CONSTRUCT A NEW DWELLING ON IT IN 2016, APPROVED BY THE BAR.
SO THIS HOUSE HERE WAS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, IN 2016 AND WAS APPROVED WITH THE BAR.
AND THAT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
SO THERE'S NOT A HISTORICAL, UH, REPORT ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, THAT IS A PHOTOGRAPH.
AND WE KIND OF CONDENSED THIS PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
YOU HAVE EVERYTHING THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED WITH ADDITIONAL PHOTOS.
WE WON'T SHOW EVERYTHING HERE TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S PART OF YOUR PACKET HERE TO REVIEW.
SO THERE'S A VIEW OF THE HOUSE ON ONE 16 VIRGINIA, VIRGINIA AVENUE, AND THE REAR LOCATION SH SHOWING, UH, THE SCALE AND PROPORTION OF THE GARAGE TO THE EXISTING HOUSE THERE.
IT'LL BE LOCATED IN THE REAR OF THE LOT BEHIND THE HOUSE.
THIS IS THE HOUSE ON VIRGINIA, THE DRIVEWAY TO THE BACK THAT'S PAVED IN THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE GARAGE, UH, WITH THE LOCATION OF THE GARAGE.
IT DOES MEET THE SETBACK FOR THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO THE PLACEMENT OF THE GARAGE IS WITHIN THE BUILDING SETBACK LINES REQUIRED BY THE ZONING FOR THAT DISTRICT.
UH, SO THEY DID FURNISH SOME ADDITIONAL SKETCHES FOR YOU.
UH, THAT'S THE, UH, SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE GARAGE WITH THE GARAGE DOORS.
IT WOULD BE A THREE BAY GARAGE WITH A SIDE DOOR THERE, AND A VIEW FROM THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE REAR OF THE GARAGE WITH THE WINDOWS.
UH, THEY DID FURNISH MATERIAL, UH, OF THE, UH, SIDING.
THIS, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE, UH, CURRENT HOUSE THERE.
SO THE SIDING WILL BE THE SAME.
UH, WITH THAT, THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2016.
FOR THE MAIN DWELLING, IT WOULD BE A THREE K, UH, THREE BAY GARAGE.
UM, WITH THAT, THAT'S THE LOCATION OF THE GARAGE PLAN.
AND THEY DID, I DID INCLUDE THIS DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPOSAL.
I'M ASSUMING YOU HAD CHANCE TO READ WHAT THEY ARE, UH, WITH THEIR PROPOSAL, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS.
IT'LL BE A ONE STORY THREE BAY GARAGE, UH, 960 SQUARE FEET IS THEY, IT IS SET BACK, THE ACQUIRED, UH, DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, THE GARAGE IN THE HOUSE TOGETHER WILL ONLY, UH, OCCUPY 18% OF THE LOT, WHICH IS UNDER THE REQ, UH, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT'S REQUIRED.
SO THE WIND COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, THEY ARE PROPOSING, UH, DOING A CONCRETE SLAB, THE CLAPBOARD SIDING WITH A STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF.
UH, THEY DID THE, WITHIN YOUR PACKET, THEY DID SHOW EXAMPLES OF THE ROOFING MATERIAL AND OF THE SIDING.
UH, THEY DID GIVE A PITCH ON THE ROOF ALSO.
UH, THEY DID GIVE A, SO A FURNISH, EXCUSE SOME EXAMPLES OF THE GARAGE DOORS AND THE WINDOWS THERE WITHIN YOUR PACKET.
UM, SO YOU DO HAVE THE REST OF THE INFORMATION WITHIN YOUR PACKET THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED.
AGAIN, JUST A CONDENSED VERSION FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AND, UM, I'M SURE YOU ALL READ THROUGH THE PACKET AND THE APPLICATION.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS POINT? UM, NO.
TRIED TO CONDENSE IT DOWN AND THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT THEY SUPPLIED AN EXCELLENT PACKET FOR YOU TO REVIEW.
SO WE JUST TRIED TO, UH, HIGHLIGHT THE MAIN POINTS, UH, QUESTIONS THAT YOU PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE IN THE PAST.
THEY DID GIVE A FOOTPRINT OF THE GARAGE.
THEY SHOWED THE, UH, ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING, THE SIDE VIEW OF IT, UH, THE LOCATION OF IT ON THE LOT FROM THE HOUSE, UH, THE SCALE AND PROPORTION OF ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW, JOHN, YOU MIGHT, THE ANSWER TO, OR YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE THE ANSWER TO THE, THE HOUSE, THE PROPERTY'S KIND OF ON A HILL, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND NOW, IS THE GARAGE GONNA BE SET CUT INTO THIS CUT INTO THE HILL, OR IS IT GONNA BE RAISED UP IN A, IN A, HOW ARE YOU? IT'S GONNA BE SLIGHTLY CUT IN.
SO THE, UM, THE WEST ELEVATION WILL END UP BEING A PARTIAL RETAINING WALL ABOUT, OKAY, THAT'S MY QUESTION.
YOU'RE GONNA DROP THREE TALL? YEAH, A LITTLE RETAINING WALL.
UH, SO THEY WERE GONNA TO BASICALLY MATCH THE MATERIAL OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE GARAGE AS WAS APPROVED FOR THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
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DO A STANDING SCENE, METAL ROOF, AND THE SIDING WOULD BE THE SAME.AND THE, UH, WINDOWS WOULD BE THE SAME.
UH, THE GARAGE DOOR, THEY DID FURNISH AN EXAMPLE OF THE GARAGE DOORS OF THE MATERIAL FOR THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD GO THERE.
YEAH, I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY GREAT.
I, YOU GUYS DID AN AWESOME JOB ON THE PACKET.
PLENTY OF INFORMATION, LOTS OF PHOTOS.
THE DRAWINGS OF EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO SEE.
I MEAN, THIS IS GOOD EXAMPLE OF, OF HOW TO DO IT.
UM, YEAH, I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK REALLY COOL HOW FAR I, I GUESS I CAN SEE IF THE, THE PLAN VIEW, HOW FAR BACK IS IT FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? UM, LET'S SEE HERE.
UH, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET PROBABLY.
THEY HAVE THE PAVE DRIVEWAY COMING UP AND HAVE THIS DECK IN THE BACK.
SO YEAH, IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SETBACK.
SO WE'LL BE PUSHED BACK A LITTLE BIT FROM THE HOUSE, THE WAY THEY HAVE THE DRIVEWAY SET UP.
I WAS LOOKING AT IT ON, ON STREET VIEW.
UM, IF YOU FOLLOW THE, UH, THE UH, ANGLE, I MEAN, THIS KIND OF SHOWS IT, BUT THIS IS NOT THE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MORE OPEN HERE.
THEN THAT, THAT ACTUALLY DEPICTED ON THAT AERIAL VIEW THERE.
IF YOU WENT BY, I'M HOPING Y'ALL WENT BY AND LOOKED AT OR DROVE BY AT LEAST AND STOPPED AND LOOKED AT THE SITE AND THE CURRENT, UH, LOCATION OF THE HOUSE.
YEAH, I GO LIKE THAT
YOU WOULD BE, I MEAN, DRIVING BY THE STREET, YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THE WHOLE THING, BUT IT WOULD MATCH IN THE HOUSE.
I THINK IT WOULD BLEND IN JUST FINE.
UM, YEAH, YOU GUYS AREN'T PLANNING ON PUTTING UP A FENCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? PRIVACY FENCE.
THERE IS A FENCE ALONG ON THE FAR SIDE, THE NORTH SIDE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
NO, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY DENSE, UM, WITH VEGETATION ALONG THAT SIDE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT DATE THIS IS FROM.
UM, NO, I THINK IT'S A GREAT, THAT'S GREAT.
EVERY TIME I WALK BY IT, IT'S SO TINY FROM SO NICE.
AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, THIS IS WHAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE HOUSE AND THIS IS THE COLOR WE'RE CHOOSING FOR THE, AND THIS IS THE METAL FOR THE ROOF, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING SIDE, RIGHT? YEAH.
OKAY, NEXT UP WE'VE GOT, UM, 5 75 THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NEXT.
SO, UH, ARE YOU READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA? SO, OKAY.
SO THIS IS, UH, ALSO AN APPLICATION, A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION SUBMITTED TO, TO INSTALL AN A DA ACCESSIBLE RAILING AT THE TOWN'S GAZEBO.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE C TWO DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT AND OF COURSE IS LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO HERE PER, PREDOMINANTLY HERE IN THE CENTER OF TOWN.
UH, SO WHY IS THIS CONSIDERED, UH, GO TO THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW? SO IT'S UNDER MAJOR ACTIONS UNDER ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, A SEVEN, ANY MAJOR ACTION, NOT SPECIFICALLY COVERED BY THE TERMS OF THIS SECTION, BUT WHICH WOULD HAVE AN SUBSTANTIAL EFFECT ON THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WE DEEM THAT TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR THIS APPLICATION.
UH, THINGS TO CONSIDER, AGAIN, THESE ARE THE GUIDELINES, UH, WITHIN TOWN CODE IN INCLUDED IN THE, UH, GUIDELINES AND ALSO IN YOUR APPLICATION TO MAKE DETERMINATION IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
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UH, THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER, UH, IS THE HISTORIC ARCHEOLOGICAL OR ARCHITECTURAL VALUE AND SIGNIFICANCE OF THE STRUCTURE AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE HISTORIC VALUE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.SO WE HAVE THE ZEBO, UH, CENTER DOWN THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF CHESTER STREET AND MAIN STREET.
UH, IS A GENERAL COMPATIBILITY OF THE SITE PLAN AND THE EXTERIOR DESIGN ARRANGEMENT, TEXTURE AND MATERIALS PROPOSED TO BE USED.
AGAIN, THE VIEW OF THE STRUCTURE OR AREA FROM THE PUBLIC STREET OR ROAD.
SO IT'S LOCATED THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS YOU SHOULD CONSIDER.
I ALSO SHOULD CONSIDER THE PRESENT CHARACTER OF THE SETTING OF THE STRUCTURE OR AREA AND ITS SURROUNDINGS.
UH, OTHER FACTORS INCLUDING AESTHETIC FACTORS WHICH ARE REVIEWING BODIES DEEMED PERMANENT PERTINENT.
AND ALSO UNDER ITEM EIGHT, WHICH IS IN YOUR CHECKLIST, AGAIN, ITEMS EIGHT A THROUGH A, YOU SHOULD TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THAT THE GENERAL DESIGN TO CHARACTER, THE FORM PROPORTION AND SCALE THE MASS CONFIGURATION, ARRANGEMENT, TEXTURE AND MATERIAL, UH, ON DOWN THE LINE.
SO THOSE ARE ITEMS WITHIN THE CHECKLIST FOR THIS APPLICATION.
THE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL FOR THIS APPLICATION.
UH, AGAIN, THAT'S PART B AND C OF THE GUIDELINES OUT OF 1 75 91.
UH, LOCATED AGAIN HERE AT THE GAZEBO, HERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF CHESTER STREET AND EAST MAIN STREET.
NOW THE GAZEBO IN THAT AREA WAS, UH, APPROVED IN 1988.
IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT IN THE GAZEBO.
SO THAT WAS PRIOR TO THE, UH, ADOPTION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE GUIDELINES IN 93.
UH, SO IF YOU'RE F SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA OF TOWN, UH, WE HAVE THE, UH, STEPS GOING UP TO THE GAZEBO, UH, FROM THE AGGREGATE CONCRETE THERE, UH, GONE UP FOR THE STEPS IN A CIRCULAR PATTERN.
THE HERRINGBONE PATTERN OF THE BRICK SETS THIS OUT WITH A COPPER ROOF ON THAT, ON THE GAZEBO AND THE VIEW FROM CHESTER STREET, UH, SHOWING THE, THE BRICK OUTLINE AND THE STEPS, UH, SET PREDOMINANTLY THERE IN TOWN, UH, A FOCAL POINT OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UH, SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS A METAL RAILING, UH, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN UH, WE'RE SEVEN FOOT 10, UH, TO SEVEN FOOT 10 AND A HALF INCHES LONG.
UH, OR TO ACCESS THE GAZEBO OF THE STEPS.
THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION? YES.
ANY IDEA WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT? THIS ONE, UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, THE APPLICATION STATED THEY'RE JUST GONNA PUT ONE, UH, RAILING THERE.
THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE NORTH SIDE, SOUTH SIDE.
UH, THEY DID NOT INDICATE WHERE THE RAILING WOULD GO.
I HAVE THINK THAT I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE ONE PERSON THAT REALLY WANTS IT.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE VICE MAYOR.
AND THE REASON THEY WANT THAT IS BECAUSE CERTAIN PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING UP THOSE STEPS WHEN THEY HAVE WEDDINGS TO GO TO.
SO THEY COULD THEORETICALLY PUT IT ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WELL, I SAID THEY DID NOT WANT IT ON THE SIDE WHERE THE BAND SET UP AND FRONT PLAY TOWARDS.
SO IT SHOULD COME ON BECAUSE MAYBE THAT'S SIDE RIGHT THERE.
I WAS GONNA ASK, IS THERE LIKE A DEMAND FOR THIS OR THEY JUST, ONE, WE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FOR THIS, BUT IS THERE ANY REASON WHY? UM, I JUST SAID THE REASON WHY, UH, THAT IS PART OF THE APPLICATION.
I DIDN'T INCLUDE EVERYTHING WITH THE APPLICATION PACKET.
UH, BUT PART OF THAT, IF YOU REVIEWED THAT, UH, THEY DID STATE THEY NEED A HANDRAIL AND GET MARRIED, UH, TO BE GROUND MOUNTED, UH, THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
WELL I THINK, AND TO MY MIND, THIS HANDRAIL IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE STYLE OF THE GAZEBO.
THAT THE STYLE OF THAT DOESN'T MATCH UP.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT ALL THOSE KIND OF WROUGHT IRON LOOKING BALLISTERS AROUND THE PERIMETER.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T HAVE AN A DA COMPLIANT WROUGHT IRON OR BLACK HANDRAIL.
THAT WOULD MATCH THE AESTHETIC OF THE GAZEBO.
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WHAT, WHAT SIDE THEY WANNA PUT IT ON.SO
ON THE LOCATION AND WE NEED AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL FOR THE MATERIAL AND THE STYLE OF THE HANDRAIL THAT JUST DOES NOT FIT.
UM, SO WE DID TRY TO TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH TO SHOW BOTH ELEMENTS OF THE CHESTER STREET SIDE, UH, HERE WITH THE EXPOSED AGGREGATE CONCRETE FOR THE STEPS, THE OUTSIDE HERE AND THE BRICK PATTERN, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS.
UM, THAT'S FROM THE MAIN STREET.
THAT'S FROM THE MAIN STREET THERE FOR THE VIEWING AREA.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD COMING OFF THAT RIGHT SIDE TOWARDS THE VISITOR CENTER.
SO IT'S NOT POINTING AT THE CORNER, YOU KNOW WHERE THE MOST PROMINENT VIEWPOINT OF THAT.
IT'S NOT POINTING TOWARDS THE CROWD FOR FANS, BUT WE NEED DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
SEE THIS GUY, YOU WANT A JOB IF YOU PUT TWO OF 'EM AT AN ANGLE LIKE THAT AND LOOK AT IT WHERE YOU PUT IT.
'CAUSE IT WOULD LOOK INVITING YOU ADD SOME SYMMETRY TO IT AND IT WOULD LOOK INVITING AS WELL.
IS THE TOWN, DID WE TELL WHO THIS? I KNOW WHO'S THE TOWN PERSON.
WHY IS NO ONE HERE TO TALK TO US FROM THE TOWN? UM, WE RECEIVED THE APPLICATION JUST PART, UH, THAT WAS DIRECTED TO GET AN APPLICATION TO COME IN FROM THE TOWN FOR THIS, FOR THIS APPLICATION.
LET'S TABLE THIS, LET'S TABLE IT AND HAVE WHOEVER SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION TRY TO GET THEM HERE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, LIST CERTAIN QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD UH, YEAH.
WE NEED THE NUMBER OF RAILINGS.
NO, THAT WELL WE NEED BETTER ONE.
SO I THINK WE JUST NEED 'EM HERE.
GONNA ASK, WE NEED AN ALTERNATE STYLE CHOICE.
WE NEED A NUMBER CHOICE AND WE NEED A PLACEMENT CHOICE.
SO WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION TO TABLE, INCLUDE THAT IN.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS APPLICATION TO OUR NEXT MEETING.
UH, AND INCLUDE THOSE THREE QUESTIONS.
HOW MANY RAILS AND ALTERNATE, UM, MATERIAL AND PLACEMENT.
WE GOT THE GARAGE ON CHURCH STREET.
UM, DO YOU NEED ME TO GO BACK IN AT THE FIRST PART THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER? FOR THE FIRST PRESENTATION ON NEW CONSTRUCTION? WOULD YOU LIKE DO NOTHING? ALL WE HAD TO DEAL WITH WITH THEM WAS THE, WAS THE HEIGHT, WASN'T IT? WE WERE TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF THIS, OF THE SCALE OF THIS THING AND HOW IT WAS GONNA, AND I, WE JUST GOT THIS LATE, SO I APOLOGIZE.
IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU GAVE ME? NO, WE'VE GOT THIS IN OUR BACK.
THE SAME THING IS THIS THAT WE JUST GOT THAT SO WELL THAT ONE'S, WHEN HE SENT ME THE BILL, HE ACTUALLY PUT MEASUREMENTS ON THAT.
SO THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
WELL, PACKET WE ASKED FOR, IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HE BROUGHT INTO THE OFFICE THE OTHER DAY? OH, WHAT YOU BROUGHT IN THE OTHER DAY.
IS THIS WHAT YOU BROUGHT IN THE OTHER DAY? YEAH, BUT I THINK HE ADDED, HE JUST ADDED DIMENSIONS.
BECAUSE REMEMBER I REMEMBER I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SCALE.
SO IN THESE TWO ARE ACTUAL PLANS THAT I CAN GET ONLINE.
UM, AND SHE HAD SHOWED ME SOMETHING SOMEBODY DID WHERE THEY KIND OF JUST LIKE TOOK A PICTURE AND SAT BACK.
BUT IT MAKES IT LOOK HORRIBLE DOING THAT.
'CAUSE THIS IS 10 FEET, SIX INCHES FROM HERE TO THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT, STANDING BACK LIKE THAT, IT WOULDN'T LOOK, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT HIGH.
IT JUST MAKES IT LOOK THAT WAY.
'CAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY, YOU WOULD BE STANDING ON THE OTHER END OF THE GARAGE LOOKING AT IT.
IT'S GONNA COME UP ROUGHLY TO WHERE THE MIDDLE OF THOSE WINDOWS ARE.
SOMEWHERE WHERE THE PEOPLE WILL BE.
BECAUSE IT'S GOING, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE, OH S**T, WE JUST FIGURED OUT.
I THOUGHT I SAW MAYBE THAT WAS THE OTHER ONE WE WERE LOOKING AT.
BUT THE PLANS, THE PLANS HAVE THIS GONNA BE BOOKED.
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FOUR 12 PITCH I DIDN'T WANT, SO I CAN DO IT ANYWAYS.SO I'M NOT PAYING TO FIX ANYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S WAY TOO MUCH AS IT IS
UM, SO IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE PITCH WOULD BE OKAY, SO IT WOULD BE THIS.
YEAH, ROUGHLY IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A 7, 14, 17, 18 FEET TALL ROUGHLY.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STAFF TO GO OVER THE PRESENTATION OR DO YOU UH, DON'T, I MEAN WE, WE KIND, I THINK WE GOT IT.
I THINK WE JUST, I'M GONNA PULL UP THE UM, MR. YOU HERE, BEAR WITH ME.
I'LL SHOW YOU SOMETHING IF YOU'RE GONNA GO FROM THE PROSPECT SIDE TOO.
IF WE SEE HOW THE HOUSE HAS GOT TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS.
I ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT, 'CAUSE WE WANTED TO DO A LIFT IF I COULD FIND IT TO WHERE THIS PORTION WOULD BE HIGHER AND THAT'D BE LOWER AND IT WOULD MATCH THAT FROM THAT QUEUE AS WELL.
TWO DIFFERENT PITCHES BECAUSE LOOKING IT ESSENTIALLY LOOK LIKE THIS KIND OF NOT TWO DIFFERENT PITCHES, TWO DIFFERENT HEIGHTS.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, WOULD COME TO RIGHT THERE AND THIS ONE WOULD BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER.
UM, BUT WE CAN'T, I COULDN'T FIND ANY PLANS THAT HAD THAT.
IT LIKE ALL RV ONES AND THEY WERE LIKE WAY TOO HUGE I GUESS ON WHAT ASKED.
I THINK LEAVING IT ONE, ONE LEVEL, ONE PITCH WOULD BE KIND OF MORE IN LINE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
REMEMBER WE DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE.
UHHUH?
SO THAT FAR LEFT BAY WOULD HAVE A GIGANTIC DORM WOULD HAVE, YEAH.
YOU WOULD JUST BASICALLY HAVE TWO BIG DORM ROOMS INSTEAD OF THREE SMALLER ONES.
WHICH, SO THAT WOULDN'T LOOK, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD LOOK AS WELL AS ODD.
I MEAN IT HAS SOME DESIGNS THAT ARE COOL THAT HAVE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, BUT THAT KIND OF THROWS OFF HAVING THE STORAGE UP THERE BECAUSE THEN IF YOU HAVE THE DORM ROOM LIFT IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO GET OVER THAT UP THERE.
SO I WAS THINKING MAYBE AN ATTIC ACCESS TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
BUT I THINK JUST HAVING A HIGHER PITCH AND DOING THE BOTTOM FOUR.
CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? DAVID FOCHE.
DID YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? F-O-U-S-H-E-E.
UM, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
UM, DID IS THERE ANY LIKE, DETAIL ABOUT THE, THEY SAY THAT THE GARAGE IS GONNA BE CONNECTED BY A WALKWAY.
THE COVER ROOM COVERED WALKWAY.
IT WOULD, I DON'T EVEN THINK WHAT YOU WOULDN'T NOTICE.
YOU WOULD NOTICE FROM CHURCH SCREEN.
YOU MIGHT NOTICE IT WALKING ABOUT PROSPECT IF YOU LOOKED BACK.
IF, BECAUSE THAT OTHER SHED YOU BLOCK IT BECAUSE YEAH.
THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE, ALL THE GARAGES ARE SEPARATE OR ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, OUTBUILDING IS LIKE SEPARATE FROM THE HOUSE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A DOOR FOR THAT UTILITY ROOM.
SO WE'RE GONNA JUST COME OFF OF THAT.
'CAUSE RISE IS GONNA BE OVER HERE.
SO WE'LL JUST COME RIGHT INTO THAT STAIRWAY BECAUSE THE WALKWAY, THE ENTRANCE DOOR'S GONNA BE UNDERNEATH THERE.
BUT YEAH, THE BIG EXISTING SHED THAT'S ON PROSPECT STREET, YOU, IT WOULD BLOCK ANY VEHICLE.
THAT'S, THAT'S PLUS THE PRIVACY FENCE BOX.
EVERYTHING FROM PROSPECT AND OF COURSE THE FENCE HELPS.
THAT BIG SHED THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE TRUCK THAT YOU SEE THERE.
HAVE ANY OTHER CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS? I THINK SO.
METAL, ROOF, VINYL SIGNING TO MATCH THAT.
AND WHEN DOES TO MATCH WHERE WE'RE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS AMENDED WITH THIS.
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FOR A LITTLE MORE DETAILS.THEN AS SUBMITTED THEN I'LL SECOND IT ALL.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING BACK.
UH, SHE WANTS TO GO DARKER IN THE FUTURE ON THE SIDE NOTE.
WE HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS FOR THAT AS WELL.
UM, DARKER VINYL SIDE OFF THE PLATE.
I THINK IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE SIDING ON THE HOUSE, YOU GOTTA, IT'S KIND OF REMAINED THE SAME STYLE, THE SAME EVERYTHING.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE A DARKER COLOR.
DOES IT DEPEND ON JUST LIKE THE TYPE OF COLOR THE FAMILY OF COLOR DOES IT, IT WOULD JUST BE A DARKER GRAY.
JUST IT'S VERY VAGUE AND THEY'RE NOT CHANGING.
THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE UH, THOSE LIGHTS.
WERE LIGHT PART OF THE APPLICATION OR PART OF YOUR GUIDELINES.
I'LL UH, BACK TO THE BEGINNING.
WE TO THROW THAT LAST MINUTE BUILDING THE GARAGE IF WE WERE GONNA DO, WE DON'T WANNA BUY THAT ONCE OR TWICE OR THEY JUST BUY IT ONCE.
WHAT COLOR ARE YOU GUYS? DARK BISCUIT.
JUST A DARK, DARKER GRAY, GRAY, UM, PART.
THE GUIDELINES DOES HAVE, UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT COLOR.
IT DOES, BUT I THOUGHT ABOUT THE COLOR.
IT THEY'RE NOT ON, YOU'RE NOT TEARING OFF WOOD SIDE AND PUTTING A FINAL NO, NO, NO.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE, THAT'S THE STUFF USUALLY COMES BEFORE US.
THEY, I THINK HE ACTUALLY WAS TALKING TO HIM ON THE PHONE.
HE'S LIKE, WELL THAT'S ASPHALT.
I'M LIKE MAN, IT HADN'T BEEN ASPHALT SINCE LIKE THE SEVENTIES RIGHT? YEAH, BECAUSE IT WAS WOOD ONLY PERSON AROUND ASPHALT.
I'M THE ONLY ONE I REMEMBER WOULD BE AN ASPHALT SITTING AROUND HERE RIGHT NOW.
IS ALL THAT STUFF STILL ON THERE? YEAH, IT'S ALL ON.
WELL IT WAS ON THE, ON THE SHED.
WE NOTICED THAT IT WAS STILL, THEY HAD DONE.
OH IT LOOKED, IT LOOKED LIKE THE SHINGLES YOU PUT ON A ROOF WAS YEAH, SURE.
THESE I'VE REPLACED THE NEW BOARD THAT
AND THERE WAS ASPHALT ON TOP OF THAT.
AND THEN THE VINYL, I WONDER IF THE WOOD IS STILL ON THE HOUSE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE I TOOK IT OFF.
UM, TO REPAIR, TO RUN THOSE WHERE I RAN THE DOORBELL WIRE WHEN I RAN IT ON AROUND THE HOUSE AND I PUT IT BEHIND THE SIDE.
I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS ASPHALT SHINGLES BEHIND OF THAT.
THAT'D BE REALLY COOL IF YOU TORE THE FINAL OFF.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, I WOULD LOVE TO SIDE.
THAT WOULD BE, I STARTED SAYING ASPHALT SHINGLES ARE ACTING THAT MORE AS A INSULATION NOW.
I MEAN 80 GRIT AND CUSHION TRYING TO YEAH.
UM, IF THE REPLACING VINYL WAS VINYL, I DON'T, THEY DON'T NEED TO COME.
UH, BUT NOT COME BACK TO THE BARN.
IT WOULD NOT BE A MAJOR ACTION.
THE APPROVAL FOR THIS TOO LATE AND WE'LL JUST APPLY, UH, SEPARATELY FOR CONSTRUCTION COMMENT PERMIT.
WELL LET'S, LET'S TALK TO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT YESTERDAY WHEN I SAW IT.
I'M STILL LOOKING FOR COLOR 'CAUSE IT ADDRESSES IT IN HERE SOMEWHERE.
UH, SINCE WE HAD THE FIRST TIME AS A BOARD, WE HAD RAN INTO THAT THING ON BLUE RIDGE, YOU KNOW, UHHUH, WE WERE HAVING TO REPLACE AN OLD STRUCTURE WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE REDO THE THING WE'RE WORKING ON MM-HMM.
LIKE IF IT, INSTEAD OF BUILDING A OBVIOUS DUPLEX TO BUILD LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, LOOK LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT IT IS STILL A DUPLEX WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
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WAY SOMEHOW OR NOT.THAT'S WHAT KATIE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT FROM.
NO, WE NEED THE GUIDELINES ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A GOOD STARTING PLACE.
BUT WHAT WE NEED IS A, IS A PROCESS TO WALK THROUGH THAT'S A LITTLE MORE ELABORATED THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
IDEALLY IT WOULD BE, THERE'D BE LIKE A PRE APPLICATION.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT LIKE A MONTH INSTEAD OF A FEW DAYS.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD, HOW WE STRUCTURE THAT.
IT'S LIKE IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORD IT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE'LL HAVE TO WORD IT SO THE REALTOR KNOWS TOO.
AND THEY'RE NOT SELLING SOMETHING TO A BUILDER THAT THEY'RE NOT ONLY GONNA BE ALLOWED TO DO.
AND IT HAS TO BE A, A DISCUSSION.
YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE A, A LONG FORM DISCUSSION.
YOU KNOW, TAKE OR LEAVE SITUATION.
YOU WALK UP, I WALKED DOWN BLUE RIDGE THE OTHER DAY AND I WALKED IN AND LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE HOUSE AND MOST OF 'EM, ALL THE APARTMENT ONES ARE APARTMENTS NOW WERE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
WE SHOULD HAVE PAINT CARS AND OTHER THAN THE TOWN OUTLET THAT WERE BUILT WHEN THERE WAS NO BOARD MARK AS WERE VIEWED.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY ALL WERE SINGLE FAMILY OWNERS NOW THEY'RE CUT UP IN APARTMENTS.
THIS IS A, I THINK THIS SHOULD TAKE PRIORITY IN OUR FREE TIME AS WE HAVE IT.
I WAS GONNA ASK IF YOU COULD CALL A WORK SESSION.
BUT ON A SATURDAY WHERE WE CAN ALL BE HERE TOGETHER OR SUNDAY OR SATURDAY'S.
I DON'T GO INTO MY OFFICE ON WEDNESDAYS.
TO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE EASIER.
I THINK SO BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE EASIER IF WE WERE ALL HERE TOGETHER DOING IT AS A GROUP.
AND IT MIGHT TAKE MORE THAN ONE.
BUT I WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO DOING THAT.
BECAUSE THE ONLY PLACE, TO YOUR POINT IT SAYS SETBACK, SPACING AND GENERAL MASSING OF THE NEW DWELLING ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT CRITERIA.
IT SAYS IT, BUT IT'D BE NICE IF THERE WERE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OR SOME EXAMPLES SO PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AND IF WE WANTED TO ADD A PRE-APPLICATION CLAUSE UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T DO THAT.
ARE YOU ASKING TO UH, TO REVISE THE GUIDELINES OR TO AMEND THE TOWN CODE? WELL, AT A MINIMUM WE NEED TO REVISE THE GUIDELINES.
IDEALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO REVISE THE TOWN CODE.
SO YOU MEAN TO ASK FOR A PRE-APPLICATION WOULD BE AMENDING THE CODE OR JUST THE PROCESS? OR IS THE PROCESS THE CODE? THE PROCESS IS THE CODE.
WELL ANYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE TOWN CODE HAS TO BE BROUGHT FORTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL IF YOU'RE CHANGING WORDING WITHIN THE TOWN CODE.
SO THE TOWN CODE SETS FORTH WHEN AN APPLICATION HAS TO BE TURNED INTO US.
SO THEN YES, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
BUT THE WORK SESSION, OBVIOUSLY WE GOT OUTLINE ALL THAT YES.
EVEN CAN CONSIDER GIVING IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THAT WOULD GIVE US A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WITH GUIDELINES.
I'M TIRED WHEN I COME IN HERE AT NIGHT.
WE'VE ALL WORKED ALL DAY AND USUALLY WE HAVE, I HAD ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THREE OF THEM.
I'D LIKE TO START FRESH WITH IT.
YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN A WORK SESSION LIKE THAT OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT HAS TO BE ANNOUNCED TO THE PUBLIC.
WE CAN'T, IT HAS TO BE, I'M PRETTY SURE OUR WORK SESSION HAS TO BE PUBLIC SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE PAPER OR ANYTHING.
BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE LIKE NOW I POST IT ON THE WEBSITE.
HOW MUCH IS IT LEAD TIME? DO WE NEED, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
I KNOW JOE LIKES ALL THE MEETINGS.
UM, THE RECORDED IS FINE, BUT YEAH, I'LL FIND OUT FOR SURE.
HOW MUCH LEAD TIME DO YOU NEED, CONNIE? SO WE CAN SCHEDULE THIS THING YOU GUYS THROUGHOUT SOME DATES.
I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WEEKEND WITH STAFF.
I, I, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU GUYS THREW OUT SOME DATES AND IDEAS AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
AND YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SET IT UP.
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OKAY.THE DATES, YOU KNOW, MOST WEEKENDS I'M NOT FREE DURING THE DAY.
HOW FAR OUT DO YOU KNOW YOUR WORK SCHEDULE? DEPENDS ON WHO GETS A PHONE CALL.
I'M TALKING ABOUT BOOKINGS BECAUSE I OH, 'CAUSE THE GIGS.
UM, FRIDAY OF THE 18TH, DOES THAT WORK FOR ANYBODY? I'M OUT OF TOWN ALL NEXT WEEK.
UM, SO THAT THE 20 YEAH, THAT WOULD WORK FRIDAY THE 25TH.
I'M MOVING I THINK THE NEXT DAY OUTTA TIME.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
'CAUSE I HAVE TO MAKE SURE LAUREN'S AVAILABLE AS WELL.
WHAT TIME? SO YOU'RE, SO FRIDAY WHAT? THE 25TH? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YEAH.
WHAT TIME WORKS FOR IF YOU GUYS CAN GET IN EARLY AT ALL, LIKE WHAT TIME? ANYTIME AFTER NINE WORKS FOR ME.
WHAT TIME WORKS BEST FOR YOU? WELL WHAT GUYS? WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU, I MEAN, COULD YOU ALL COME DURING THE DAY OR WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT EVENING? NO.
OH, I WORK ON FRIDAYS TAKE OFF.
ANYTIME AFTER FOUR IS GOOD FOR ME ON FRIDAYS.
I MEAN, I CAN DO AFTER FOUR ON THAT FRIDAY.
BUT IS THERE ANOTHER DAY THAT YOU CAN WORK IN THE, DO IT IN THE DAY? WELL, WHEN SHE SAID WEDNESDAYS I'M FREE ON WEDNESDAYS ALWAYS.
SO WEDNESDAY THE 23RD, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
THAT GIVES HIM TWO WEEKS TO LIKE WORTH WITH ME.
I DO HAVE, UM, AN APPOINTMENT AT 10 O'CLOCK WITH MY CPA THAT I CAN'T GET OUT OF, BUT IT WILL PROBABLY ONLY LAST NO MORE THAN AN HOUR.
SO ARE YOU GONNA COME WITH LIKE IDEAS AND MARKUPS OR WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? YEAH, WELL WE NEED TO, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE SOME IDEAS JOTTED DOWN THAT YOU WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE GUIDELINES.
BUT I THINK REALLY WE JUST WANT TO HAVE A, A DISCUSSION ON YES.
HOW TO APPROACH THESE IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY BE ABLE TO SET BACK AND WHAT, WHAT DO WE, WHAT EXAMPLES CAN WE INCLUDE? MM-HMM.
WHAT KIND OF CHANGES CAN WE LOOK AT IN THE PROCESS THAT WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY INCLUDE FOR A, A TOWN CODE REVISION, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD GIVE US MORE TIME TO REVIEW THESE THINGS.
UH, DEFINITELY AND I WOULD LIKE, UM, YES.
AND ALSO I THINK WHEN WE MET, WELL I WASN'T HERE WHEN I WATCHED THE MEETING AND THE SETBACK WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION HAVING TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW SETBACK GUIDELINES.
NOWHERE IN THAT MEETING THAT NIGHT THAT I LISTENED TO IT, DID I HEAR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DID I SAY DID I HEAR THE OR ADJACENT WITH THE ADJOINING PROPERTY THAT CAME UP LATER AT THE COUNCIL TOWN COUNCIL MEETING WHERE I WAS.
SO WE NEED SOME, DEFINITELY SOME MORE SPECIFICS IN AROUND THAT.
AND CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM FOR WHAT PART OF THE LANGUAGE THAT IT SAYS THAT? DEPENDING ON THE ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THAT IS NOT AN OVERALL, UH, PART OF EVERY ZONING DISTRICT.
SO TO COLLIN'S POINT, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT IS ZONED THEN.
WELL THERE'S GONNA BE ZONED DIFFERENTLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
AND THEN WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHERE THAT SETBACK.
SO THOSE, THOSE WOULD APPLY EXCEPTION APPLY THOSE ZONING.
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REPLY FOR EACH ZONING DISTRICT, WHETHER IT'S R ONE, R TWO, R THREE, OR COMMERCIAL.THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ZONING SETBACKS FOR THOSE DISTRICTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY LIE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO MY QUESTION IS THE PROVISION THAT LAUREN PRESENTED THAT THAT PROVISION OR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, IS THAT FOR THE ENTIRE HISTORIC DISTRICT? NO.
IS THAT FOR THE OVERLAY? NEITHER.
THAT
FOR EXAMPLE, IT COULD BE AN R ONE, R TWO AND R THREE, BUT NOT IN ALL, ALL THREE OF THOSE DISTRICTS.
SO COULD YOU, WHEN WE MEET, ARE YOU COMING OR COULD YOU EMAIL IT TO US BEFORE? MM-HMM.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN R ONE, R TWO AND R THREE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? OKAY, SO R ONE MEANS ONLY SINGLE FAMILY.
ONE R TWO MEANS TWO FAMILY OR A DUPLEX.
SO FOR TWO AND R THREE IS FOR MULTIFAMILY.
COULD BE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE TOWN HOMES OR TRIPLEX.
WOULD OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT BR THREE OR R TWO.
SO YOU, SO YOU HAVE THESE DISTRICTS STAR ONE, R TWO AND R THREE PRIOR TO THE CREATION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WE WANT, DO WANNA CHANGE THE THING THEN? YES.
UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, ASKING FOR A, UM, AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
POTENTIALLY JUST THE COMP PLAN.
WELL, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, I WOULD'VE, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK, YOU MAY HAVE TO DO, ASK FOR AN AMENDMENT BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TOWN COUNCIL FOR AN AMENDMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THESE DISTRICTS.
IF YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE ASKING FOR A CHANGE.
WELL I THINK THEN THAT WOULD BE AMENDMENT OF THE CODE.
I THINK IT'S IN, IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.
I MEAN, BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS FOR, OR WE COULD SEE ECONOMIC DEVELOP OF THE ACCOUNT.
IF WE COULD SEE IF WE CAN, UH, AMEND THOSE SECTIONS OF THE CODE ONLY AND NON AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
DEPENDING HOW MUCH REVISIONS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE OR CONSIDER.
R ONE
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
'CAUSE THERE'S, THAT'S ALREADY FULL US.
SEE WE CAN'T EVEN DO THAT EITHER.
'CAUSE THE WAY, WAY IT'S SET UP, THERE'S, LOOK, THIS IS THE CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE AT THE WORK TIME AT THE MEETING.
SO LET'S WRAP UP THIS, EVERYBODY GET BACK.
LET'S, UM, LET'S WRAP THIS THING OUT.