* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. UM, SO [00:00:01] AGAIN, MY NAME IS SARAH BETH STEWART. I AM WITH RETAIL [Town Council Work Session on October 7, 2024.] STRATEGIES, UM, AND VERY EXCITED TO BE WITH YOU GUYS TODAY. SO, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT RETAIL STRATEGIES. WE WERE ACTUALLY BORN OUT OF A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FIRM. SO OUR SISTER COMPANY DOES MAJOR LIFESTYLE DEVELOPMENT TO, UM, BROKERAGE, TO PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, TO TENANT REPRESENTATION. AND WE FORMED RETAIL STRATEGIES, OUR MUNICIPAL CONSULTING SIDE, BECAUSE WE SAW THERE WAS A MISSING LINK BETWEEN MUNICIPALITIES AND COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE. UH, WE HAD, UH, OUR SISTER COMPANY WAS TRYING TO BUILD A REALLY UNIQUE HOME DEPOT, UM, AROUND THE LAST DOWNTURN OF OUR 2009, UH, TIMEFRAME. AND WE HAD WALKED INTO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OF A FAIRLY RURAL COMMUNITY HERE IN ALABAMA, AND WE ASKED FOR SOME INFORMATION ON THE, HE PULLED OUT SOME DUSTY, OUTDATED DATA, AND THAT WAS A, THIS IS WHAT SHE OFFER US, IS OUR AHA MOMENT, THAT THERE REALLY IS A MISSING LINK. TRADITIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS SO FOCUSED ON INDUSTRY MANUFACTURING, BIG TIME JOBS AND BIG TIME WAGES THAT RETAIL JUST FELL THE WAYSIDE. IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NETWORKING. IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF, UM, REAL ESTATE, DIFFERENT SET OF DATA, UH, AND AND ANALYSIS THAT COMES WITH IT. UM, SO WE HAVE FORMED RETAIL STRATEGIES TO BE THAT MISSING LAKE, TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, ALL THESE RETAILERS AND HELP THEM FIND LOCATIONS IN WELL-DESERVING COMMUNITIES. UH, SO THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE BRANDS THAT WE WORK WITH ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UM, AND IN VIRGINIA, UM, WE'RE, UH, VERY, UH, WELL, UH, UH, WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE FOR VIRGINIA. WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN THE STATE FOR, FOR 10 YEARS, PROBABLY IN OUR 13 OR 15TH YEAR. UM, IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. UH, WE HAVE 13 CURRENT RETAIL RECRUITMENT PARTNERSHIPS, AS WELL AS OTHER PARTNERSHIPS AROUND THE STATE. UM, WE HAVE SOME REALLY UNIQUE PARTNERSHIPS WITH BROKERS, DEVELOPERS, UM, AND WE ATTEND THE ICSC MIDLINE SHOW EVERY SINGLE YEAR ON BEHALF OF OUR VIRGINIA CLIENTS. AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT ICSC LATER ON IN THIS PRESENTATION. SO WE ARE HERE JUST TO BRIDGE THAT GAP. WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE YOU GUYS WITH THE NETWORK WITH TIME, RESOURCES, AND EXPERIENCE, UM, SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN COLLECT, UH, TAX REVENUE. SALES TAX IN VIRGINIA IS A PRETTY BIG PART OF YOUR BUDGET, AS WELL AS HAVING THAT MEALS TAX. IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, PART OF YOUR BUDGET. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, HAVING THESE RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES, UM, SO THAT IT FEEDS INTO YOUR CITY BUDGET AS WELL AS JOB CREATION, QUALITY OF LIFE, AND JUST HAVING NEW BUSINESSES FOR YOUR RESIDENCES AND YOUR, UH, CONSUMERS TO VISIT. SO THE FIRST PART OF OUR PROCESS, LOOKING AT YOUR COMMUNITY FROM A DATA PERSPECTIVE, RETAILERS, UM, DO NOT REALLY CARE ABOUT YOUR MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES. UM, THIS IS HOW YOU WOULD SEE YOUR COMMUNITY. IF YOU WANTED TO TALK TO CHICK-FIL-A OR WHOEVER IT MIGHT BE, YOU'RE GONNA SAY, WE'VE GOT ROUGHLY 15,000 POPULATION. HERE'S WHERE WE'RE LOCATED IN THE STATE. YOU MIGHT TALK ABOUT YOUR SCHOOLS OR YOUR FESTIVALS OR, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU GUYS WHEN IN REALITY RETAILERS JUST THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, THEY HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT DATA SET THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO MAKE MONEY IN YOUR COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S THE INFORMATION THEY WANT TO SEE. UM, SO THIS IS WHAT A RETAILER IS GONNA PULL UP ON, ON YOUR COMMUNITY. THEY'RE GONNA SAY MILE RADIUS, FIVE MILE RADIUS, 10 MILE RADIUS, AS WELL AS DIFFERENT DRIVE TIMES. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT HOUSEHOLD INCOME, LOOKING AT DAYTIME POPULATION. AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT DATA SETS ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU JUST MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS TO. AND THAT'S WHAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE. WE'RE ALSO GONNA TELL THEM AND RETAILERS, BROKERS, DEVELOPERS, RETAIL TRADE AREA. SO FAIR BAD, YOUR CONSUMERS FAIR BAD GEOFENCE. DOES SHE KNOW? YEAH. I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'RE CUTTING IN AND OUT. SO IF, IF, YEAH, SO I, WE MAY HAVE TO STOP YOU AND HAVE YOU REPEAT SOMETHING. OKAY. I HAPPY TO DO THAT. YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT Y'ALL NEED TO REPEAT AND I'LL DO IT OVER. OKAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL PUT TO GET, BECAUSE A CUSTOMIZED TRADE AREA, UM, THE MOBILE DATA REPORT. SO IF YOU HAVE A SMARTPHONE, WHICH MOST OF YOU HAVE ONE IF NOT TWO SMARTPHONE, IT IS TRACKING WHERE YOU ARE COMING AND GOING FROM, UH, IT'S CREEPY, IT'S VERY BIG BROTHER. BUT WE'RE ABLE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND CONSUMER PATTERNS, BUYING HABITS AND REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THESE CONSUMERS ARE DOING WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST YOUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE SHOPPING LOCAL. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING ALL ACROSS THIS COUNTY AND ACROSS THE STATE TO SHOP IN FRONT ROYAL. SO I, IT'S AROUND THE TARGET HERE IN FRONT ROYAL OR SOUTH ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF YOUR TOWN. UM, AND IT SHOWS US ABOUT 74,000 CONSUMERS. SO DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOUR CITY POP YOUR MUNICIPAL [00:05:01] BOUNDARIES SAY ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY. AND THIS SHOWS A BIGGER POOL OF PEOPLE AND CONSUMERS THAT RETAILERS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH IT. WE'RE ALSO BE LOOKING AT A RETAIL LEAKAGE. UM, SO YOU HAVE ABOUT $335 MILLION LEAVING THE COMMUNITY TO SHOP ELSEWHERE, WHICH IS NOT A SURPRISING NUMBER, BUT WE WANNA TAKE THAT NUMBER AND DECREASE IT. WE WANNA KEEP PEOPLE LOCAL, WE WANT 'EM TO SHOP IN FRONT OIL. WE WANT THEM TO SPEND THEIR MONEY IN YOUR COMMUNITIES THAT YOU CAN AGAIN HAVE, UM, ALL THE BENEFITS OF THAT. SOME OF THE CATEGORIES THAT WE SAW THAT WERE A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND ON THE HOME AND GARDEN CENTERS AS WELL AS CLOTHING. UM, AND THOSE CAN BE CHALLENGING AT TIMES JUST BECAUSE OF HOW WE AS CONSUMERS ARE DECIDING WE WANT TO GET OUR GOODS AND SERVICES SPECIFIC. UM, BUT BRANDS LIKE TJ MAXX AND MARSHALLS ARE EXPANDING LIKE CRAZY ACROSS THE COUNTRY 'CAUSE WE AS CONSUMERS WANT TO HAVE A DISCOUNT TYPE OF RETAILER. UH, SO WE THINK THAT'S A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. WE DID SEE THAT THERE WAS A SURPLUS OF FOOD SERVICES. NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TOO MANY FOOD AND BEVERAGE, UH, RESTAURANT TYPE OF PLACES. THAT JUST MEANS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THESE RESTAURANTS IN YOUR COMMUNITY. UM, AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING MORE. SO AGAIN, THEY STAY LOCAL. WE ALWAYS WANNA SEE A SURPLUS IN FOOD 'CAUSE IT REALLY MEANS THAT YOU'RE IN THE DESTINATION. THE NEXT PART OF THE PUZZLE IS REALLY LOOKING AT IT FROM A REAL ESTATE PERSPECTIVE. YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE DATA IN THE WORLD AND WE CAN SIT HERE AND NERD OUT ON DATA FOR HOURS, UPON HOURS, UPON HOURS. BUT TRUTHFULLY, THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION IS THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE. UH, SO WE ACTUALLY WILL SEND A TEAM TO YOUR COMMUNITY AND WE'RE GONNA BE CATALOGING DIFFERENT SETS. WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR THAT HOME RUN REAL ESTATE. SO LOOKING AT PARKING, LOOKING AT TRAFFIC PATTERNS. THE COTENANCY IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF RETAILERS. THAT'S WHY A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL SEE A HO A, A HOME DEPOT AND A LOWE'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER AND RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM A WALMART. WHILE THEY ALL HAVE VERY SIMILAR PRODUCTS, THEY'RE STILL, UH, FEEDING OFF OF EACH OTHER AND THEY WANT TO BE NEAR EACH OTHER. SIGNAGE IS A BIG PART OF THAT. AND THEN INGRESS AND EGRESS IS ALSO A PART OF OUR HOME RUN REAL ESTATE. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR THE AM AM SIDE OF THE ROAD AND PM SIDE OF THE ROAD. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS ON THE AM AM SIDE OF THE ROAD IS THE ROAD THAT MOST PEOPLE TAKE GOING INTO WORK EXCEPT THEIR AM TRAVEL TIME. UH, WE WANNA SEE COFFEE SHOPS, BREAKFAST PLACES ON THOSE TYPE OF AM ROUTES, WHEREAS ON THE PM SIDE OF THE ROAD, WE WANNA SEE MORE GROCERY STORES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WOULD BELONG ON THE PM SIDE OF THE ROAD. AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE COMING HOME FROM WORK, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE TO STOP A LIGHT, TAKE A LEFT TURN THING JUST TO GET A A GALLON OF MILK ON YOUR WAY HOME. YOU WANNA TAKE ONE RIGHT TURN IN ONE, RIGHT TURNOUT, GET WHAT YOU NEED AND GET ON YOUR WAY HOME. UH, SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THOSE DIFFERENT REAL ESTATE ASSETS. THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR COMMUNITIES, PULA COUNTY, VIRGINIA. SO NOT TOO FAR FROM YOU GUYS. UM, AND THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE CAP AT SOME OF THEIR REAL ESTATE ASSETS. AND WE'RE GONNA BE INVENTORYING THESE AND SAYING, OKAY, HERE IS THIS OPPORTUNITY. UM, SO THESE LITTLE GREEN DOTS ARE ALL THE ONES THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. NOW THAT COULD BE A, A VACANT SHOPPING CENTER, UM, OR IT COULD THAT'S FULLY LEASED, WHICH WOULD BE AWARE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT ASSETS THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. SO THAT WAY SOMETHING DOES CLOSE, WE'RE ABLE TO GET IN FRONT OF IT, OR IF, UH, WE KNOW A LEASE IS GONNA BE ENDING SOON, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN KEEP THAT TENANT THERE. UH, SO WE'LL WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WANT DO WITH THEIR SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY. NOW THIS IS WHERE, UM, EVERYTHING COMES TOGETHER BASED OFF YOUR REAL ESTATE ASSETS, BASED OFF YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS. AND THEN BASED OFF WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN RETAIL RIGHT NOW, BASED OFF WHO IS ACTUALLY EXPANDING IN THE STATE, HERE'S WHO WE SHOULD BE TARGETING FOR GROWTH. WE PUT TOGETHER A RETAIL RECRUITMENT PLAN THAT IS DELIVERED TO YOU GUYS. UM, AND THEN YOU GET TO SAY, YEAH, WE LOVE ALL THOSE BRANDS. WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THESE DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS, UM, AND OTHER TYPES OF RETAIL AMENITIES, WHETHER THAT'S HEALTHCARE, HOSPITALITY, ENTERTAINMENT, CLOTHING, UM, AND WE WANNA SEE ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT BRANDS IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE SAY, GREAT. SO THEN WE KICK INTO HIGH GEAR AND WE IMPLEMENT THIS RETAIL RECRUITMENT PLAN ON YOUR BEHALF. SO WE WOULD ACT AS THE EXTENSION OF CITY STAFF, OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF TO PROACTIVELY RECRUIT THE RIGHT RETAIL FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. SO YOU WILL DO A DELIVERABLE OF THE MARKET ANALYSIS, INCLUDING THE REAL ESTATE ANALYSIS AS WELL AS OUR RETAIL RECRUITMENT PLAN AND A MARKETING GUIDE TO BE USED TO REALLY SHOWCASING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL AND NATIONAL RETAIL. AND THIS IS THE TEAM THAT GETS TO DO IT. SO OF COURSE YOU HAVE ME, UM, FOR THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS AND THREE DAYS, BUT UNTIL I COME BACK FROM MATERNITY LEAVE. [00:10:01] UM, BUT I'M BACKED BY OUR PORTFOLIO DIRECTOR WHO WAS GOING TO BE YOUR MAIN POINT OF CONTACT, UM, IF YOU WERE EVER TO ENTER AN AGREEMENT WITH US. AND THAT'S MICHAEL WARSAW. UH, HE IS ACTUALLY A, UH, PRETTY, PRETTY WELL VERSED IN VIRGINIA. HIS FAMILY LIVES IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA AS WELL. SO HE IS THERE QUITE OFTEN. UM, AND HE ACTUALLY PRIOR TO KINDA RETAIL STRATEGIES, WORKED ON THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE SIDE IN VIRGINIA. SO HE HAS ACTUALLY DONE DEALS IN THE COMMONWEALTH. UM, SO HE IS VERY, UM, UH, JUST WELL VERSED IN THE STATE. UM, HE'S ALSO BACKED BY OUR RETAIL DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, JOHN MARKS. AND SO THEY'LL BE WORKING TOGETHER TO CALL THE RETAILERS, THE BROKERS AND DEVELOPERS, ANYONE WHO'S GOT A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND CONVINCING THEM THAT THEY NEED TO MOVE THEIR NEXT LOCATION TO. THEY'RE ALSO BACKED BY OUR MARKETING TEAM, OUR RESEARCH TEAM, AS WELL AS OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM WHERE WE SIT. UM, WE, WE, WE ACT AS YOUR STAFFED, UH, CALLING ON THE BROKERS, DEVELOPERS, THE RETAILERS, THE TENANT REPS, PROPERTY OWNERS, AND OF COURSE REPORTING BACK TO YOU ON WHAT IS SAID, THE GOOD, THE BAD, THE UGLY. IF IT'S A YES, GREAT, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? OR MAYBE IT'S A NOT RIGHT NOW. WELL, MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S JUST A NO. WHAT CAN WE DO TO TURN IT INTO A NO, IS THERE AN INCENTIVE? IS IT JUST THE RIGHT TIMING? UM, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP THOSE, UH, THOSE COMMAS COMING. SO NOT NO, BUT WE WANNA KEEP THAT COMMA ROLLING IN KEEPING THIS CONVERSATION FLOWING FOR OUR CLIENT COMMUNITIES. WE ALSO DO THIS BY ATTENDING RETAIL TRADE SHOWS. I KNOW I MENTIONED THAT IN THE BEGINNING. ICSC IS THE BIGGEST NETWORKING COMMUNITY FOR BROKERAGE, UH, COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE. UH, AND RETAIL LIVE IS ANOTHER BRAND VERY SIMILAR TO ICSC. AND WE ATTEND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT TRADE SHOWS ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENTS REPRESENTING YOU GUYS TO SAY, HEY, AND CONNECTING WITH THE RIGHT, UH, PURSE THAT WOULD LOCATE INSIDE OF MY RIGHT. AND THIS IS OUR RETAIL RECRUITMENT MATTER. UM, WE WANNA SEE YOU START, UH, WE KNOW, WE KNOW IT BUILDS UPON ITSELF. UM, RETAIL STARTS WITH THE THE DOLLAR GENERALS OF THE WORLD AND THEN YOU MOVE ON UP AND YOU MOVE ON UP AND IT ALSO INCREASES THE JOBS, THE QUALITY OF LIFE, AND OF COURSE THAT SALES TAX BASE. UM, SO WE REALLY TRULY SEE RETAIL AS A LADDER. YOU GOTTA START SOMEWHERE AND, AND HAVING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES PUT IN FRONT OF THE RIGHT PEOPLE IS CRITICAL. SO I KNOW I TALKED REALLY FAST AND I'M SORRY IF I WAS CUTTING IN AND OUT. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONNECTION THERE. WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU GUYS HAVE? OKAY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE US? I'VE SEEN IT. GREAT. YEAH, THERE'S A 160 MILES PER HOUR HURRICANE BEARING DOWN ON THE GULF. ARE YOU, ARE YOU NEAR THE GULF? UM, NOT, NOT TODAY. UM, WE'RE BASED IN BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA. UM, I DO SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN FLORIDA. MY HUSBAND DOES COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION. UM, SO WE WE'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT LUCKILY RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT, UM, NOT IN, NOT IN, NOT IN FLORIDA . WELL, WHAT, WHERE DO YOU SEE THE SUCCESS OF, UH, BASED ON A POPULATION BASE? I MEAN, TRUMP OIL PROPER IS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, JUST UNDER 16,000. UH, AND SO LIKE HOW FAR DO YOU HAVE TO BE FROM A, FROM A MAJOR INTERSTATE SYSTEM IN ORDER, YOU KNOW, TO SEE THIS KIND OF SUCCESS WHEN YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, LIKE CLOSER TO THE WASHINGTON AREA, IF I GO DOWN LIKE 29, I SEE, I SEE DICK SPORTING GOODS STORES, I SEE WEGMANS, I SEE ROSS, I SEE TJ MAX, I SEE ALL THESE, UM, TYPE OF BUSINESSES. YOU KNOW, HOW HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO FARM OIL? YEAH, THAT'S PART OF OUR PUZZLE IS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT BRANDS ARE MISSING FROM FRONT ROYAL THAT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MONEY IN FRONT ROYAL. UM, WHO IS EXPANDING THE REGION? SO I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AS YOUR COMMUNITY AND HOW YOU WOULD EXPLAIN YOUR COMMUNITY, BUT RETAILERS ARE LOOKING AT WHOLE DIFFERENT DATA SET. THEY'RE LOOKING AT ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT WE SPEAK. SO WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING TO THE RETAILERS SAYING, HEY, YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH 74,000 CONSUMERS. 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS TARGET SHOPPING CENTER TO SHOP. SO THOSE CONSUMERS, UM, WANT TO GO AND SHOP AT OTHER PLACES. SO WHAT OTHER STORES [00:15:02] GO TO BASED OFF THE DATA, UM, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, MARSHALLS TEACH THEM GOODS, THEY LIKE TO BE NEAR OTHER RETAIL SYNERGY. SO THEY'RE GONNA FOLLOW THAT PATH. AND SO IT'S OUR JOB TO GO IN FRONT OF THOSE DIFFERENT BROKERS, DEVELOPERS AND THE RETAILER TENANT REPS SAYING, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS SITE. IT FITS YOUR SITE SELECTION CRITERIA, DICK'S SPORTING GOODS OR WHOEVER IT MIGHT BE. WHAT IS IT GONNA TAKE TO GET YOU HERE? UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO A RETAILER THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. UM, AS I MENTIONED UH, A FEW SECONDS AGO ABOUT THE RETAIL LADDER, UM, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY. NUMBER ONE, WE DON'T WANNA CANNIBALIZE ANY OF THE RETAIL THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANNA OPEN A STORE THAT'S GONNA CLOSE IN TWO YEARS. THAT'S JUST A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY AND UM, BECOMES AN ICE STORM OF YOUR COMMUNITY. SO WE WANNA SEE BRANDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND ADD VALUE TO THE MARKET. MARY BETH, THIS IS HELEN WOOD. I SAW THIS PRESENTATION AT THE FREEDOM MEETING. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, UH, IN THE TOWN ITSELF VERSUS THE 5 22 QUARTER WHERE THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER YOU REFER TO IS SO ENGAGING YOU, WOULD YOU BE LOOKING ONLY AT THE TOWN OR WOULD YOU BE LOOKING AT NORTH OF THE TOWN ALONG THE 5 22 QUARTER? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM, SO IT'S OUR JOB TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE TOWN. UM, NOW I KNOW SOMETIMES, UH, AND IN THIS SITUATION IN VIRGINIA, YOU'VE GOT THE COUNTY AND THE MUNICIPAL RELATIONSHIP. UM, SO YOU NEED BE MINDFUL OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, LIKE WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR CLIENT COMMUNITIES. SO WE'RE GONNA PRESENTING THE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, THAT HAVE THE MOST POTENTIAL, UM, AND PUTTING THOSE IN FRONT OF THE RIGHT RETAILERS AGAIN TO SEE IT. SAY THAT AGAIN. OH, WE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. I BELIEVE IT WAS LIZZIE, YOUR FRIEND. OH, I'M SORRY. I DON'T HAVE THE STOP SHARING. I HAVE ANYTHING PULLED UP. OH, THERE. HEY LIZZIE. SORRY I DID, I MEAN TO HIT, I DIDN'T REALIZE MY MIC WAS ON. SORRY. WE GOT NAP IN THIS HOUSE. NO WORRIES. COUNCILMAN WOOD DID THAT, I'M SORRY, DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? HAVE TO ASK. NOT REALLY. BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE RETAILERS, AND WE KNOW THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE NEAR WALMART OR LOWE'S, THOSE ARE ON THE CORRIDOR, THOSE ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR TOWN LIMITS, RIGHT? UM, THE BENEFIT TO US WOULD BE NEGLIGIBLE WHILE WE HAVE TWO, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS IN OUR TOWN THAT HAVE VACANCIES, BRING IN A TJ MAXX MAY BE DESIRABLE, BUT IF YOU PUT IT OUT NEXT TO TARGET, THE BENEFIT WON'T BE TO THE TOWN, IT'D BE TO THE COUNTY. JOE, I BELIEVE YOU. YEAH. SO IT IS THE INTENT, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR FRITO, BUT IT IS OUR INTENT TO FOCUS ON OUR CORPORATE LIMITS, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. WELL I'M, AND I JUST AGAIN, WANT TO REITERATE THAT TO YOU. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TARGET AS A DRAW AND THE TARGET IS ATTRACTION, THAT'S OKAY TO GET 'EM HERE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DRIVE A MILE INTO ROYAL PROPER TO FIND THE, THE SHOPPING AND THE TAX BASE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE, I THINK. ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT CATALOGING THOSE REAL ESTATE ASSETS IN THE TOWN, UM, AND SHOWCASING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. LIZZIE, WELL, OUR LIZZIE WANTED TO SHARE SOMETHING. SARAH BETH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, FROM THE RECRUITMENT PIECE, HOW, HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHAT FITS FOR US OR ARE WE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AT THE END OF THE DAY? YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A FEW DUNKING DONUTS, WE'VE GOT A FEW STARBUCKS, SO WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE BRANDS THAT WE'RE RECRUITING, THAT YOU ARE RECRUITING FIT OUR MODEL. HOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE BALANCE THAT? HOW DOES THAT WORK? ABSOLUTELY. SO WITHIN THE FIRST WEEK OF OUR PARTNERSHIP, WE HAVE OUR KICKOFF CALL AND THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH OUR MAIN POINTS OF CONTACT AND OUR TEAM. AND YOU GUYS GET TO TELL US HERE'S WHAT WE WANT. HERE'S OUR GOALS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE WANNA SEE THESE TYPE OF BRANDS. THIS IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHO MIGHT BE SNIFFING AROUND. WHO HAVE YOU GUYS ALREADY BEEN TALKING TO? UM, I KNOW BACK IN THE DAY THERE WAS A CONVERSATION WITH CHICK-FIL-A SO WHAT DOES, WHERE DOES THAT SIT? WHAT WAS THE LATEST WITH THAT? UM, AND SO YES, YOU ARE ABS INPUT INTO THE CONVERSATION. I KNOW THAT THAT INFORMATION ON THE FRONT END, YOUR DATA EVALUATION, WE'LL DO OUR REAL ESTATE AND THEN WE PUT TOGETHER THAT RETAIL RECRUITMENT [00:20:01] PLAN. WE, YOU AND YOU'RE OUR BOSS. SO YOU GET TO SAY, YEAH, WE LIKE THAT PLAN. WE LIKE THOSE RE GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY. OR YOU MIGHT SAY TO US, HEY, WE HAVE ENOUGH COFFEE USERS, WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE COFFEE USERS AND WE'LL START, WE'LL REPLACE HIM WITH ANOTHER MORE APPROPRIATE. OR I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE, IN THE FREEDOM MEETING, I MADE THE COMMENT OF WE HAD A COMMUNITY IN LOUISIANA THAT THE MAYOR REALLY, REALLY WANTED A STAGE SHAKE THAT WAS HIS FAVORITE RESTAURANT STAGE SHAKE WAS NOT EVEN EXPANDING IN THE REGION. UM, THEY, I THINK STORE IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF LOUISIANA, I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN NEW ORLEANS, BUT HE, HE WANTED IT TO BE ON A RETAIL PROSPECT LIST. AND SEVEN YEARS LATER, THAT IS STILL A RETAIL ON OUR PROSPECT LIST BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE MAYOR AND WE ARE CALLING ON THEM, EVEN IF GIVE THE APPROPRIATE TIMING. BUT, UM, YOU ABSOLUTELY GET TO HAVE A SAY IN THE RETAILERS WE CONTACT. THANK YOU. I WANT A CHICK-FIL-A IN CASE ANYBODY, SUPPOSEDLY ANYONE REMAINS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SARAH? I HAVE INTERNAL QUESTIONS FOR US. ASK, I'M SORRY. I HAVE INTERNAL QUESTIONS FOR US. ASK. OH, OKAY. OKAY. SHOULD WE KEEP HER ON? SHOULD WE JUST, OUR INTERNAL QUESTIONS. OKAY. SO NO OTHER QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. I, I, I, WE THANK YOU FOR, UM, JUMPING IN AND SHARING YOUR ENERGY, ENTHUSIASM AND I CERTAINLY, UH, UM, WISH YOU WELL IN THE NEXT FOUR AND A HALF WEEKS UNTIL THE BABY ARRIVED. TAKE CARE OF YOURS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. IT WAS SO GOOD TO SEE ALL OF YOU AND, UM, WE DO HOPE TO WORK WITH YOU THE NEAR FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN , YOU SAID JUST SOME INTERNAL QUESTIONS. OKAY. YEAH, I WANTED TO, WELL FIRST FIND OUT LIKE HOW THEY CONNECTED WITH US. HOW DID DID THEY APPROACH US? DID WE APPROACH THEM? ACTUALLY WE HAD A, UH, PREVIOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS COMPANY MAYBE THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. AND, UH, THEY CAME BACK AND, UH, REACHED OUT TO ME AND WE STARTED A CONVERSATION AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE OKAY. AND, AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION WAS, DO WE HAVE ANY RULES, UM, AROUND PROCUREMENT OR, YOU KNOW, SIMILARLY LIKE, DO WE, DO WE HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, COMPARATIVE? RIGHT. SO THIS ONE HERE, FORTUNATELY IS WE CAN LATCH ONTO A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT, BUT I THINK IT'S STAFFORD COUNTY. SO AT THIS POINT IT'S REALLY IF COUNCIL WANTS TO ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS AND MOVE FORWARD 'CAUSE WE ARE A PART OF THAT COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT. SO ALL THE PYRAMID POLICY IS TAKEN CARE OF. YES. SO DO YOU WANNA JUST DISCUSS WHEN YOU SAY ABOUT THE FUNDS, THE COSTS AND WHAT WOULD BE, SO THIS IS A, MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS A THREE YEAR CONTRACT, $55,000 A YEAR. UH, MY UNDERSTANDING THE FIRST YEAR WILL REALLY BE SPENT ON THE DATA AND ANALYSTS AND INVENTORY OF THE ASSETS. UH, ALSO I WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THIS, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE COULD BAIL ON THIS CONTRACT AFTER THE FIRST OR SECOND YEAR. IF WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH RETAIL STRATEGIES, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO GIVE US A LEG OFF AND GIVE US THE BENEFIT OF GETTING SOMEBODY OUT THERE TO RECRUIT FOR US, THE TOWN FRONT ROW AND BRING SOME REAL, REAL RETAIL. I THINK THAT WE ALSO ARE GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT A HOTEL AND POTENTIALLY GROCERY STORES AS WELL. 'CAUSE IS A PART OF THE EQUATION. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THE GROCERY STORE BEEN FINE. I WAS GONNA SAY THAT'S DEFINITELY GROCERY STORE I'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN THE LAST SIX, SEVEN WEEKS. SO JUST, JUST LOOKING AT THEIR SAMPLES, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CLOSEST ONE THAT FITS OUR POPULATION IS PLAINVIEW, TEXAS. AND YOU LOOK AT THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES DOWN THERE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALREADY GOT ABOUT, WE GOT LIKE THREE OR FOUR OF 'EM, FIVE OF 'EM. WHICH PAGE ARE YOU ON, BRUCE? UH, NO, NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WHAT? YEAH, ON A PART ON, UH, WELL, ON THE, ON THE AGENDA IT'S PAGE 26. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO, WHERE YOU SEE THE BIGGER RETAILERS AND THAT TYPE OF THING IS IN THE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET INTO ABOUT THE 30,000 POPULATION, POPULATION 35. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THAT POINT UP, RIGHT, WAS WAS, BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IN OUR PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK BEYOND OUR CORPORATE LIMITS. AND SO WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT THOSE, WE WERE AT A CAPITAL AUDIENCE OF 70, 74,000. LIZZIE WANNA OFFER SOMETHING? [00:25:02] BRUCE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NO, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. UM, SO I, I WANTED TO ADD REALLY QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS THE KIND OF THE, THE CADENCE, SORRY, YOU GUYS KNOW MY PRACTICE, UM, THE CADENCE OF HOW THIS WORKS. AND SO THE FIRST THING THEY DO IS REALLY ALL OF THIS RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS. AND, UM, SO I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ABLE TO GO TO A CONFERENCE LAST WEEK IN ROANOKE, THE VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPERS ASSOCIATION BALL CONFERENCE. SO I WAS TALKING WITH SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES AND I JUST STARTED ASKING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD WORKED WITH ANYBODY LIKE THIS. AND I ENCOUNTERED ONE WHO HAD WORKED WITH THIS EXACT CONTRACTOR. AND SO I SAID, WELL, WHAT'D YOU THINK? AND HE SAID THAT FOR THEM, THAT DATA ANALYSIS, THAT THAT REPORTING THAT THEY GOT BACK WAS INVALUABLE. HE SAID, I WOULD PAY FOR THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS. HE SAID, THE WAY THAT THEY COME INTO YOUR MARKET, THEY LISTEN TO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. THEY ARE A UNBIASED OPINION BECAUSE YOU, YOU ARE PAYING 'EM TO BE EXPERTS AT THIS. UM, THEY, THEY DON'T LIVE HERE. SO THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SAME LENS OF WHAT WE HEAR CONSISTENTLY FROM OUR COMMUNITY. THEY'RE COMING TO IT WITH FRESH EYES AND THEY'RE COMING TO IT FROM A, A, A PLACE OF EXPERTISE. AND SO HE WAS VERY HAPPY WITH THE EXPERIENCE THAT THEY HAD WITH THEM. SO THAT, THAT BROUGHT ME A LITTLE COMFORT THAT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS WORKABLE FOR A COMMUNITY LIKE OURS. UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. SO, BUT HE LOVED THE DATA ANALYSIS, WHICH IS THE FIRST PIECE. SO THAT'S THE PART THAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE MOST, I THINK. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. UM, SO ONE, THAT ALL HAPPENS IN THE FIRST YEAR, RIGHT? THAT'S THE IDEA. SO IF IT'S A THREE YEAR CONTRACT, IT, I WAS JUST SAYING LIKE WE, WE CAN'T EXPECT NECESSARILY LIKE FIVE STORES ROLLING UP IN HERE BY THE END OF THE FIRST YEAR. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THIS WOULD BE MORE OF LIKE, LIKE KIND OF A RESEARCH AND THEN BRINGING FORWARD IT, IT DOES SEEM TO BE A PHASED APPROACH. YEAH, RIGHT. IT WOULD ALSO, I THINK, BE HELPFUL. I DON'T KNOW, LIKE IF THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, OUR LAND IS, IS SO ZONED, I WONDER IF THEY WILL LOOK AT THE JUST WHAT AVAILABLE LAND THERE IS, REGARDLESS OF HOW IT'S ZONED, YOU KNOW, TO SAY, HEY, YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT THIS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, BUT REALLY IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL AND, AND BE CONDUCIVE TO THIS. I MEAN, WILL THEY DO THAT KIND OF THING? RIGHT? I I BELIEVE THAT WARREN, UH, WILL BE HEAVILY INVOLVED BECAUSE THEY WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR US TO GET SOME OF THESE RETAILERS AND WHAT THEIR SITE PAD REQUIRES AND, AND OTHER THINGS. SO, MM-HMM. . NOW IS THE INTENTION OF THIS TO BE UNDER THE STEWARDSHIP OF, OF FRIDA MOSTLY, YES. THIS, THIS WILL BE THEIR, THEIR MAIN, THEIR FIRST PROJECT PILOT PROJECT. YEAH. OKAY. COUNCIL WOOD, I, I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION FRIDA DID CHALLENGE 'EM SOMEWHAT ON THE CONTRACT. IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY AFTER ONE YEAR, YOU RIGHT. YOU, YOU CAN GET OUT IT, BUT AFTER, LIKE YOU'RE DEDICATING THREE YEARS TO YEAH, WELL I WAS GONNA SAY AFTER THE FIRST YEAR YOU'D HAVE THE, THE INFORMATION. MM-HMM. . UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S YOUR PRODUCT THE FIRST YEAR. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. SO AT, BUT AT LEAST IT WOULD GIVE YOU INFORMATION AS TO WHAT, LIKE WHAT PROPERTIES MIGHT BE AVAILABLE AND WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. I ACTUALLY WAS THINKING AS I WAS LISTENING TO THIS THAT IN SOME WAYS I COULD SEE SOME OF OUR, UM, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OR YOU KNOW, ZONED THAT THEY, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THEY WOULD BE HAPPY IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE LIKE EMPTY STOREFRONTS OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD ALMOST BE AS THOUGH THIS GROUP WOULD KIND OF BE WORKING FOR THEM TOO, WORKING FOR ALL OF US. NOT, NOT IN ESSENCE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. ABSOLUTELY. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR JUST EMPTY LAND. THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST SHOVEL READY PROJECTS, IT'S IT'S EXISTING STRUCTURES, IT'S, IT'S ALL SORTS OF COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITIES. YES. WELL, ON THAT NOTE, DO THEY ASK THIS QUESTION? YES. BUT DO THEY, UH, LIKE FOR EXISTING BUSINESSES, RETAIL THAT'S ALREADY HERE, LIKE SAY, WILL THEY TALK TO LIKE HARBOR FREIGHT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU GUYS PARTNER WELL WITH THIS OTHER ENTITY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE GUYS TO COME, YOU KNOW, DO, DO THEY BRING THEM TO THE TABLE TOO, OR HEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A QUESTION THAT'S COME UP YET. WE WE'RE CERTAINLY O OPEN TO ASKING THAT FOR SURE. THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, IT NEVER HURTS TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN YOUR CORNER. SO I DON'T THINK, NO, I'M JUST WONDERING. I MEAN, BECAUSE THOSE GUYS, THOSE THOSE RETAILERS HAVE, I WOULD THINK A LOT OF 'EM HAVE, WELL, I MEAN, JUST LIKE THEY'RE SAYING THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE THEIR, UH, LOCATION REQUIREMENTS, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE, YOU KNOW, AND THEIR LOCATION REQUIREMENTS AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, UM, YOU, THEY'RE, UM, PAPER FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WELL [00:30:01] IF THIS BUSINESS HERE, IT PREFERS TO BE PART ACROSS FROM THIS BUSINESS, WELL, WE'VE HAVE ONE BUSINESS, BUT OKAY, ARE WE GONNA TALK TO THESE GUYS AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE BRINGING THESE OTHER GUYS AND WE'LL BRING THIS OTHER TEAM IN. YOU KNOW, HOW, WHAT ARE Y'ALL BRINGING TO THE TABLE FOR THIS? YOU KNOW? SO, OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. SO JUST REALLY JUST NEED SOME INPUT FROM COUNCIL. I KNOW THAT, UM, COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS AND I HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE FREEDOM, AND WE'VE SAID BEFORE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA FUND FREEDOM FUND SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN DO. YEAH. IF WE SET IT UP. UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE OFTEN HEARD PEOPLE SAY THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE FUNDS, THEY DO HAVE FUNDS, BUT IT WAS A MATTER OF FINDING A PROJECT. SO THIS IS A PROJECT, THIS COULD BE A JOE CALLED IT THE FIRST PROJECT OR FOR THEM. BUT, UM, DOES COUNCIL HAVE THOUGHTS ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD, UM, SUPPORT THIS? THE, THE WHOLE, WHAT THE STAFF IS LOOKING FOR, UM, IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA USE THE ALREADY BUDGETED FUNDS FOR FREEDOM TO BEGIN THE CONTRACT. NOW, I BELIEVE THE FUNDS WE HAVE THAT ARE 50,000, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET. SO YOU, SO OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 55 THEN YOU KNOW, WE COULD FIND THE FIVE FIVE, AND I'M ASSUMING YOU WOULDN'T, YOU ALL WOULDN'T BE ASKING. YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WE'D BE BRINGING IN IF WE DIDN'T THINK YOU ALL WOULD BRING, BRING IT FORWARD US IF YOU DIDN'T THINK WE COULD FIND THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS, UH, FOR THIS. SO YES, FOR ME, YES. ALRIGHT. THAT, THAT'S KINDA WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR FOLKS. WE GOT A YES NO, A THUMBS UP AND THUMBS DOWN. SO EVERYBODY GOOD WITH IT? YEAH. YOU GOOD WITH IT, BRUCE? MELISSA? YEAH, I'M FINE. I WAS JUST, YEAH, I'M FINE. WE DON'T, WE DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE ON THE FREEDOM. I, I REALLY DON'T THINK WE DO AT THIS TIME. WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. AND I THINK THIS IS GOING TO HELP STAFF AS WELL. THIS LEARNING CURVE IS GONNA ACCELERATE THIS AND I THINK WE'RE ALL GONNA BENEFIT FROM IT. AND FOR SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL, I KNOW DURING MY FIRST TENURE, UH, AND LORI WAS ON COUNCIL WITH ME, WE HAD STAFF REACH OUT. UM, I KNOW LAUREN AND I BOTH HAD FILLED OUT LIKE ONLINE REQUESTS TO SPECIFIC GROCERY STORES AND RETAILERS REQUESTING THAT THEY COME TO OUR AREA. THAT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH. THE ONE THING I SEE THIS COULD, THE OTHER POSITIVE TO THIS IS THAT IT SENDS THE MESSAGE TO PEOPLE THAT WE WANT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YEAH. THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE SEEKING THIS OUT AND SO THEREFORE WE, WE WANNA WORK WITH YOU, WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY WOULD, UM, IS INTERESTED IN ADDING TO OUR RETAIL, UH, SELECTION. SO IT SOUNDS IT'S GREAT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I I I, THERE'S A CONSENSUS, BUT IF ANYBODY HAS SOME CONCERNS, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME. BRUCE, I'M, I'M FEELING, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THIS? I FEEL LIKE A FEW SIDES OVER THERE, SO I DON'T WANNA I DON'T WANNA NOT GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY. WELL, I MEAN, UH, I I I WILL SAY THIS, I UNDERSTAND. WE, WE GOT RULE KING CAME HERE WITHOUT, THEY JUST CAME HERE, RIGHT? YEP. UH, SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU, YOU GOTTA START, YOU GOTTA START SOMEWHERE. BUT A A LOT OF IT'S THE SMALL BUSINESSES, THE SMALL FRANCHISE TYPE BUSINESSES IS WHAT IS GONNA BE PROBABLY ATTRACTIVE TO FRONT ROYAL. I DON'T BECAUSE THE CORRIDOR, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE INTERSTATE SYSTEM, SO YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE COMING IN FROM STRAWS, BUT YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE COMING IN FROM LONDON, YOU GOT YEAH, THEY BREAK OFF FROM STEVEN CITY IF THEY WANT TO COME TO FRONT ROYAL. SO YEAH. YOU KNOW THAT, UH, A LOT OF THESE BUSINESSES SEEM TO KIND OF FIND THEIR WAY OUT THERE AS OPPOSED YEAH, BUT I, I WILL SAY THAT THESE LARGER, THE LARGER YEP. THE TJ MAX'S SURE. THE ROSS, RIGHT, THOSE TYPES. AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE A CLOTHING RETAIL. I, I CAN REMEMBER WHEN I RAN IN 2020 PEOPLE, THAT WAS SOMETHING PEOPLE WERE ASKING. THEY WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY NO WOMEN'S CLOTHING CHOICES. BUT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER, I, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT. UM, WE HAVE FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN MARKHAM AND THEY LITERALLY COME TO FRONT ROW EVERY WEEKEND BECAUSE THEY SHOP HERE. UM, AND, AND MY, I HAVE RELATIVES THAT LIVE IN WHAT WE CALL THE PINE HILLS, BUT IT'S BETWEEN HERE AND, AND STEVEN CITY AND THEY SHOP AT OUR WALMART. SO I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD POINT THAT SHE MAKES PEOPLE WHEN THEY LOOK AT OUR 15,000 POPULATION IN FRONT ROYAL, RIGHT. THAT MAY BE TRUE, BUT [00:35:01] I CAN ASSURE YOU, YOU GO TO RURAL KING ANY SATURDAY OR SUNDAY, AND THOSE ARE NOT ALL FOCUSED IN FRONT, THEY'RE THERE, YOU KNOW, WE DO DRAW PEOPLE FROM OTHER LOCALITIES. JOE, WHAT WERE YOU ON? I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS BEYOND MY SIGN OF AUTHORITY. SO THIS WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE OCTOBER 28TH MEETING. OKAY. AND THEN I WOULD NEED TO KNOW IF YOU WANTED THIS UNDER CONSENT OR IF YOU WANTED THIS A SEPARATE BUSINESS. OKAY, SO CAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY, THE CONSENSUS IS WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD SOONER RATHER THAN LATER SO THAT WE CAN PUT IT ON THE OCTOBER QUESTION IS I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH PUTTING OUT A CONSENT. CONSENT. I'M OKAY. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT UP IS BLUE CREEK WIND POWER PURCHASE, UH, AGREEMENT. AND MR. HERE WITH US TONIGHT. WE GOT ANOTHER PRESENTATION, DON'T WE? WE DO. YES, WE DO. SO WE ARE GOING, TRYING TO GET A PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT WITH, UH, THE BLUE CREEK LAND FOR SIX MEGAWATTS, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. SO WE BROUGHT, UH, MR. CRAIG KLEIN HINES WITH UH, AN, HE'S THE VICE VICE PRESIDENT, ASSISTANT VICE PRESIDENT, ASSISTANT VICE PRESIDENT, , BUT, UH, HE'S THE EXPERT HERE, SO I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO HIM AND ANY QUESTIONS, HE'S GONNA GIVE US AN UPDATE TOO ON FIRE SUPPLY. YEAH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YEAH, SO, UM, JUST A REMINDER, AMP, WE ARE A COLLECTION OF MUNICIPALITIES ALL THROUGHOUT THE REGION OF VIRGINIA, OHIO, PENNSYLVANIA. AND ONE THAT WE TRY TO DO IS WE, WE AGGREGATE. SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR YOU GUYS TO GO OUT AND INDIVIDUALLY NEGOTIATE FOR BUILDING A, A BIG POWER PLAN OR POWER CONTRACT. SO WE DO THAT TO COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER WE HAVE 134 DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE ALL WORK TOGETHER WITH. SO STARTING OFF, I'M GONNA KIND OF LOOK AT YOUR OVERALL PORTFOLIO HERE. SO THIS IS A PIE CHART AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT SLICES AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE RECOMMEND IS DIVERSIFICATION. JUST LIKE WITH YOUR RETIREMENT PORTFOLIO, YOU DON'T WANNA PUT THAT ALL IN ONE STOCK. THAT'S THE SAME THING WITH YOUR POWER SUPPLY. YOU CAN SEE IT'S COMING FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS. ON THE BOTTOM LEFT THERE, THAT'S PRAIRIE STATE, UM, ABOUT 25% OF YOUR POWER. THAT'S FROM A, THAT'S A COAL PLANT IN SOUTHERN ILLINOIS. THE BOTTOM THERE, APEC OR AMP, FREMONT ENERGY CENTER, THAT'S A NATURAL GAS POWER PLANT LOCATED IN OHIO. ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT BLUE, THAT'S SOME DIFFERENT HYDROELECTRIC POWER. ON THE TOP LEFT WE HAVE, UM, THE CURRENT WIND CONTRACT AS WELL AS THE, UH, SOLAR CONTRACT INCLUDING THE SOLAR POWER YOU GUYS HERE HAVE IN THE PANEL. AND THEN ALL THAT WHITE AND GRAY, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE BUYING POWER FROM THE MARKET. WE HAVE THAT LOCKED IN THROUGH CONTRACTS. AND FINALLY THE YELLOW PIECE, UM, IS A BLOCK WHERE WE ARE BUYING, UM, FROM THE MARKET AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT COST LOCKED IN. SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS REPLACING THE LOCUS RIDGE CONTRACT THAT ENDS, UM, THAT'S A WINNING CONTRACT THAT ENDS NEXT YEAR, AS WELL AS REPLACING SOME OF THIS, UM, YELLOW SLICE THAT WE HAVE ON THE MARKET. SO IN GENERAL WE HAVE THREE KIND OF BLO UH, UH, TRANCHES OF RECOMMENDATIONS. THE FIRST WAS SOME, UH, MARKET POWER. I THINK WE PROPOSED THAT TO YOU GUYS LAST, UH, FALL. AND SO WE HAVE CONTRACTS AND WE ACTUALLY RECENTLY LOCKED THOSE TWO DIFFERENT BLOCKS IN PLACE. SO WE BLOCKED IN A BLOCK FOR 2025. UH, YOU'LL SEE ALL THE DOLLARS IN HERE IN DOLLARS PER MEGAWATT HOUR. I KNOW ON THE MUNICIPAL SIDE YOU GUYS DEAL IN CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR. SO I'LL JUST SAY THE CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR. SO THOSE BLOCKS, YOU CAN SEE WE LOCKED ONE IN AT 4.28 CENTS AND THE OTHER ONE IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER TERM. SO IT GOES OUT THROUGH 2028 AND WE HAVE THAT ONE IN AT 4.40 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR, OUR TWO RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, SO THAT KIND OF TAKES CARE OF THAT MARKET POWER SECTION. UM, AND THEN WE DO HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOME WIND POWER. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING ABOUT SIX MEGAWATT OR SIX. WE ARE RECOMMENDING SIX MEGAWATTS OUT OF, UH, THE BLUE CREEK WIND PROJECT. I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 10% OF YOUR OVERALL ENERGY NEEDS AS WELL AS WE'VE IDENTIFIED YOU GUYS COULD USE UP TO ANOTHER SIX MEGAWATTS OF SOLAR POWER, UM, TO REPRESENT ABOUT 12% TOTAL. THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ADDED THAT SIX MEGAWATTS WITH THE SOLAR PHASE TWO THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY IN, THAT WOULD TOTAL UP TO ABOUT 12%. UM, SO THE SOLAR PPA, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE. NOT REALLY. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TONIGHT ON THAT. UH, BUT WE DO HAVE, SO LIKE WE HAVE ONE THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE, UM, ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT AND THEN ONE IS A POSSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE. SO TALK, STARTING OFF TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE THE LOCUST RIDGE CONTRACT. UM, THIS IS, UH, 50 WIND TURBINES THAT ARE LOCATED [00:40:01] IN NORTHEASTERN PENNSYLVANIA. UH, WE HAVE THIS CONTRACT GOING THROUGH SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR. IS THAT A FIXED PRICE OF 4.70 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR? BUT WE DON'T RECEIVE ANY OF THE RECS OR THE CAPACITY CREDITS. I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE BLUE CREEK CONTRACT. UM, SO IT'S, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS ONE DOESN'T INCLUDE CAPACITY OF RECS. UM, SO WHEN WE WENT TO NEGOTIATE, UM, ORIGINALLY YOU GUYS ACTUALLY DID BUY POWER FROM BLUE CREEK WIND. WE HAD A CONTRACT BACK IN THE DAY FOR BLUE CREEK. WE WENT TO RENEGOTIATE THAT CONTRACT AND UH, BLUE CREEK WASN'T AVAILABLE. AND SO WE SWITCHED OVER TO THIS LOCUST RIDGE. UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING BACK TO BLUE CREEK, ACTUALLY. BLUE CREEK WIND IS AT A LITTLE BIT BETTER SPOT ON THE GRID ELECTRICALLY THAN LOCUS RIDGE. SO BLUE CREEK WIND FARM IS LOCATED IN NORTHWEST OHIO. UM, THERE'S 152 WIND TURBINES UP THERE OWNED BY EBA DRILLA, WHICH IS A, IS A, UH, A UTILITY, UM, FOR A TOTAL OF 304 MEGAWATTS. BECAME OPERATIONAL IN 2012. BACK THEN WHEN IT BECAME OPERATIONAL, YOU GUYS WERE ACTUAL PURCHASERS FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS OF THIS WIND PROJECTS LIFE, UH, FOR 1.7 MEGAWATTS. SO THIS IS A PROJECT WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH. UH, WE, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DELIVERABILITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR LIABILITY OF PRODUCTION. IT'S A PRETTY, A PRETTY GOOD KNOWN PROJECT. THE OTHER THING I'LL POINT OUT IS THIS IS A POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT. SO SOME OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE HAVE, YOU GUYS ARE PART OWNERS OF. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NATURAL GAS PLANT, THE HYDROS, THE COAL PLANT, YOU GUYS ARE ACTUALLY PART OWNERS OF THOSE. AND SO THAT MEANS WE'RE GETTING ALL OF THE PROS AND CONS, UH, MAKING ALL OF THE, THE DECISIONS LIKE OWNERS DO. THIS IS A POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENT WHERE WE'RE JUST NEGOTIATING TO BUY THE POWER FOR A SET PERIOD OF TIME. WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MAINTENANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THE, UM, THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT HANDLES IT. I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. SO YOU SAY THAT WE HAD IT FOR SO MANY YEARS AND THEN IT WASN'T AVAILABLE. UM, DO YOU, ARE YOU ABLE TO GO INTO THAT? 'CAUSE LIKE IS THIS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN TO US AGAIN OR IT WON'T BE AVAILABLE? YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS POSSIBLE. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN BEING, BEING THE EXISTING PURCHASER HELPS TO GIVE US KIND OF THAT RIGHT OF NOT, NOT RIGHT FOR FEAR OF REFUSAL, BUT THEY'LL COME TO US FIRST TO CONTINUE ON THE CONTRACT. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE, WE'VE KIND OF COME BACK TO THEM. WE LIKE THIS PROJECT, IT'S VERY WELL KNOWN. UM, AND SO WE'RE KIND OF LIKE TO GO BACK TO THIS ONE BECAUSE THE NEXT PHASE OF THIS AND AFTER THIS FIVE YEAR CONTRACT WINDOW, THEY'D PROBABLY BE LOOKING TO REPOWER THE WIND TURBINES. SO PROBABLY KEEP THE SAME FOUNDATION THERE, BUT PUT IN A NEW NEW, UM, BLADE. UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE NEXT KIND OF CONTRACT. SO THIS IS KIND OF ALMOST LIKE BRIDGING US UP TO THAT, THAT POTENTIAL. THANK YOU. SORRY, I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS ODD. OKAY, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TERM OF THIS CONTRACT, UM, WE'RE LOOK RECOMMENDING A, UM, UH, TERM OUT THROUGH 2029, UH, WE'D BE RECOMMENDING SIX MEGAWATTS. LIKE I SAID, THAT'S ABOUT 10% OF YOUR OVERALL ENERGY NEEDS THE PRICE. UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE PRICE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY EXPECTING THE PROJECT AND THEN THE PRICE THAT WE HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE. AND THE REASON IS, IS UNTIL WE GO AND SIGN THE FINAL DEAL, WHICH WILL BE IN DECEMBER, THE MARKET CAN MOVE UP AND DOWN A LITTLE BIT. SO RIGHT NOW THE PRICE THAT WE ARE EXPECTING THIS TO COME IN IS AT 5.60 CENTS. HOWEVER, THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE HAVING YOU GUYS CONSIDER, IT'S AN UP TO PRICE OF 5.9. SO THAT MEANS IF THE PRICE GOES ANY HIGHER THAN 5.9, WE EITHER NOT DO THE DEAL OR HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU GUYS TO GET ADDITIONAL APPROVAL. WE'VE, YEAH, LORI AND I ON COUNCIL HAVE FACED THIS BEFORE. IT'S A, IT'S IT'S AN EVER CHANGING MARKET THAT YOU HAVE TO GET IN. WHILE IT'S GOOD , WE LOCKING IT IN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE NO LONGER A PART OF WE MISSED, WE HAD DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAN WE DO NOW AND WE MISSED SOME OF OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO RENEW THOSE PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENTS AND STUFF WHEN I FIRST CAME ON COUNCIL. YEAH, AND THE ENERGY MARKET IS CAN BE VERY VOLATILE AND, AND SO TIMING, TIMING IS EVERYTHING, RIGHT? WE LEARNED ABOUT LOT ABOUT CAMP MY FIRST YEAR. SO IN ADDITION TO THE ENERGY, THIS CONTRACT ALSO CO INCLUDES CAPACITY CREDIT AS WELL AS RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS. THE CAPACITY CREDITS ARE A RELIABILITY CHARGE. THIS HELPS TO OFFSET SOME OBLIGATIONS YOU HAVE AND I'LL SHOW THAT IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES. UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BECOMING A MUCH BIGGER CONCERN IN OUR REGION AS POWER PLANTS ARE RETIRING AND WE'RE SHIFTING THE MIX OF OUR, UM, GRID CAPACITY OR THAT RELIABILITY COSTS IS INCREASING. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT THE CURRENT LOCUS RIDGE CONTRACT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE CAPACITY WHERE THIS ONE DOES. THAT CAPACITY IS WORTH ABOUT 1.30 CENTS. SO WE START WITH THE PRICE OF 5.6, WE [00:45:01] GET ABOUT 1.30 CENT CREDIT FOR CAPACITY. THE NEXT IS REX OR RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS. THIS IS THE RIGHT TO CALL THE POWER GREEN. UH, WE WANTED TO, UH, YOU GUYS ARE NOT SUBJECT TO A, UH, RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO STANDARD OR HAVING TO HAVE THAT GREEN POWER. SO WE WILL, WHAT WE WILL DO IS THEN WE'LL TURN AROUND AND WE WILL SELL THOSE RENEWABLE ENERGY CREDITS. THEY'RE WORTH ABOUT 0.30 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR. NOW YOU CAN ASK WHY WERE WE INTERESTED IN KEEPING THEM, WE INTERESTED IN KEEPING THEM AND TURNING WELL, NOT KEEPING THEM. WHY DO WE WANT THEM IN THE CONTRACT? AND THEN WE TURN AROUND AND SELL THEM. IT'S BECAUSE IF THE RULES WOULD EVER CHANGE AND WE NEED THOSE, RENEW THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL ATTRIBUTES, WE CAN JUST STOP SELLING THEM. IT GIVES US THAT FLEXIBILITY. SO, AND, AND, AND THE PRICE FOR THOSE WRECKS, UM, HAVE BEEN PRETTY STEADY. UM, ACTUALLY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, UM, THAN THAT RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT 0.30 CENTS. SO WHEN WE LOOK, WE TAKE THE 5.6 AND WE LOOK AT THE CAPACITY CREDIT IS 1.30 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR. THE REX 0.3, THAT BRINGS US DOWN TO AN ENERGY PRICE OF ABOUT FOUR OR 4 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR. AND NOW YOUR CURRENT CONTRACT'S ABOUT 4.7. SO THIS WOULD BE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT OF A DECREASE. NOW WE COULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLOAT AND WE DON'T KNOW ALL OF THESE COSTS FOR THE WHOLE TERM OF THE CONTRACT, LIKE HOW MUCH WE'RE GONNA GET FOR THE WRECKS OR THE CAPACITY. UM, BUT RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS, UH, PRETTY ATTRACTIVE AT LEAST COMPARED TO THE EXISTING PROJECT. UM, AND LOOKING AT THE MARKET. SO THE QUESTION COULD BE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THE WIND AND WE JUST WENT OUT AND DID MORE MARKET POWER? THIS IS THE COST OF, UM, THE EQUIVALENT MARKET POWER, UH, FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S BEEN GOING UP AND DOWN. UM, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S AT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AT A LOWER SPOT AND THAT'S AT ABOUT 4.50 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR. SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE STILL ABOUT A HALF A CENT A KILOWATT HOUR BELOW, UM, THE MARKET WITH UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO GO OUT ON THE MARKET VERSUS LOOKING AT THE BLUE CREEK LAND CONTRACT. GREAT. YEAH. UM, ALSO, UH, YEAH, SO YOU CAN SEE A LOT HIGHER. UM, YOU, WE WERE SAY TIMING IS EVERYTHING THERE. UM, AND THE NICE THING IS I PUT A LINE HERE WHEN WE RECENTLY BOUGHT THOSE, UH, MARKET CONTRACTS THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING, UH, YOU CAN SEE WE DID THAT AT A, YOU KNOW, THE TIMING RIGHT NOW LOOKS LIKE WE HAD PRETTY GOOD TIMING, RIGHT? UH, YOU KNOW, UM, SOME OF THE LOWER PRICES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST YEAR. SO THEN THIS IS WHAT YOUR OVERALL PORTFOLIO WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THAT CONTRACT. THE BLACK LINE IS THE TOWN'S OVERALL ENERGY NEEDS AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES LIKE THE, THE BROWN IS THE, IS THE PRAIRIE STATE, THE COAL AND THE MIDDLE IS THE HYDRO, THE RED IS NATURAL GAS. AND THEN, SO ON THE LEFT YOU CAN SEE CONTRACTS, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS THAT WHITE AND BLUE AREA. THAT WOULD BE THE BLUE CREEK WIND CONTRACT. AND THEN IF YOU GUYS ENDED UP, IF THAT SOLAR RECOMMENDATION I WAS MAKING THERE, THAT'S THAT YELLOW AND BLACK AREA THERE, UM, GOING, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT TONIGHT. THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT AN IDEAL PORTFOLIO GOING FORWARD. ALRIGHT, NOW I'M GOING TO SWITCH GEARS HERE BRIEFLY AND JUST KIND OF GIVE AN OVERALL COST UPDATE ON WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING FOR COSTS. UM, SO WHEN WE LOOK, THERE'S THREE MAJOR, AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T ON YOUR PACKET. THIS IS, UH, I SENT THIS OUT ON THURSDAY SO IT DIDN'T QUITE MAKE YOUR GUYS' PACKET. UM, BUT THIS IS, UH, THERE'S THREE MAJOR TYPES OF POWER COSTS. THERE'S YOUR OVERALL ENERGY COSTS. THIS IS ABOUT 75% OF YOUR OVERALL COST. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU USE POWER YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET IT. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT ALL THOSE PIE CHARTS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES THAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT. THE OTHER TWO BIG DRIVERS OF COSTS ARE TRANSMISSION AND INSTALLED CAPACITY TRANSMISSION IS THE COST OF BUILDING AND MAINTAINING ALL OF THE HIGH VOLTAGE POWER LINES. AND YOU PAY TO WHATEVER UTILITY YOU'RE LOCATED IN, YOU GUYS ARE LOCATED IN A PS SO WE HAVE TO PAY A PS AND THAT'S ABOUT 10% OF YOUR OVERALL WHOLESALE POWER COSTS. THE LAST 10 TO 15% IS INSTALLED CAPACITY. THIS IS A RELIABILITY CHARGE. IF YOU THINK ON THAT REALLY HOT DAY WHEN ALL THOSE AIR CONDITIONERS ARE RUNNING, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH POWER PLANTS OUT THERE AND YOU DON'T WANNA WAIT TILL THAT HOT DAY TO COUNT YOUR POWER PLANTS. 'CAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POWER PLANTS ON THAT REALLY HOT DAY, YOU GET BLACKOUTS. SO THERE'S A MARKET TO TO SECURE THAT. UM, AND WITH LIKE I SAID, ALL THE RETIREMENT THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING, WE'VE BEEN SEEING SOLID CAPACITY COSTS GO UP BROWN OUT . YEAH, NO, THIS IS NOT, KNOCK ON WOOD HERE. OKAY, SO THIS IS TRANSMISSION COST FOR THE TOWN. UH, FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IT USED TO BE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN A HALF A CENT A KILOWATT HOUR. AND RECENTLY WE'VE BEEN UP CLOSER TO 0.80 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR. AND BASED ON OUR CURRENT FORECAST WE COULD SEE COST AS HIGH AS 1.10 CENT A KILOWATT HOUR. SO WE'RE SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF A STEADY INCREASE HERE IN TRANSMISSION COSTS. THE BIG CHANGE THAT WE'VE SEEN HERE RECENTLY IS IN THE CAPACITY COST [00:50:01] OF THAT RELIABILITY CHARGE. YOU CAN SEE IT USED TO BE AROUND ONE SET OF KILOWATT HOUR AND IT'S GONE DOWN ALL THE WAY TO 0.1. SO IN OUR AREA THERE WAS A LOT OF NATURAL GAS PLANTS BEING BUILT THAT HELPED TO PROVIDE RELIABILITY. BUT THEN THEY DID A LOT OF RULE CHANGES AS WELL AS WE'VE HAD A RETIREMENT OF A LOT OF COAL PLANTS AND UM, NOT AS MUCH BUILDING OF NEW PLANTS AS THEY WERE EXPECTING. AND YOU CAN SEE THE COSTS ARE GOING STARTING NEXT JUNE, UM, FROM 0.10 CENTS TO 1.50 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR. THAT'S REALLY SCARY LOOKING. THAT IS VERY IN TERMS OF A GRAB TO GO. YES. AND, AND SO THE RED BAR IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE PAYING THE WHITE BAR IS WHAT THE SURROUNDING AREA YOU GUYS ARE GETTING CREDIT FROM HAVING ALL OF THESE POWER PLANTS OR HELPING TO OFFSET THIS COST. OKAY, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT, THE COST WOULD BE UP CLOSER TO 2.30 CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR RATE INCREASE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS, UM, THAT ALL THE DIFFERENT UTILITIES SURROUNDING YOU, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE MARKETS ARE SET UP, THEY'RE MOST LIKELY GONNA BE SEEING A 2.30 CENT A KILOWATT HOUR RATE INCREASE STARTING NEXT JUNE. AND THAT'S NOT JUST HERE IN VIRGINIA, THAT'S IN PENNSYLVANIA AND MARYLAND AND ALL THE, ALL THE STATES AROUND, UM, ARE LOOKING AT THIS VERY BIG COST. 'CAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST A LOCALIZED THING TO USE. THIS IS A, A BIG GEOGRAPHIC REGION SAVINGS COST IMPACTS. SO IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, WE CAN EXPECT COST INCREASE. YES. SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SKIP THIS SLIDE, UH, AND GO STRAIGHT TO THIS ONE. UM, SO THIS IS ALL THREE OF THOSE DIFFERENT PIECES ADDED TOGETHER. THE BLUE IS WHAT WE WERE, THAT THAT BLUE IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ORIGINALLY, YOUR OVERALL ENERGY COSTS. AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE HAVE BEEN HOLDING PRETTY STEADY. AND WE HAVE CONTRACTS ROLLING ON CONTRACTS, YOU KNOW, ENDING AND STARTING. UM, AND THAT'S BEEN PRETTY STEADY. THE WHITE HAS BEEN SLOWLY GROWING. THAT'S TRANSMISSION COSTS AND THE CAPACITY COSTS, THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN REALLY SMALL UP ACROSS THE TOP. AND THEN WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE HERE, UM, THAT WE'RE EXPECTING, WELL WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET AN INCREASE STARTING NEXT JUNE AND THAT ADDS ABOUT 1 CENT A KILOWATT HOUR TO YOUR OVERALL RATE. AND YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL RATE IMPACT THERE. UM, LIKE I SAID, THE AVERAGE CUSTOMER IN THE AREA IN PJM IS GONNA SEE A CLOSER TO A TWO TO TWO POINT A HALF CENT A KILOWATT HOUR RATE INCREASE. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS IT'S NOT AS BAD AS WHAT IT COULD BE, BUT THE BAD NEWS IS, IS WE'RE STILL EXPECTING A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE THERE. STARTING. MAY I ASK, UM, THE CAPACITY CALL, SO TO SPEAK OF THE NEW, THE NEWER PLANTS SHOULD BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. SO IF THEY'RE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT, IT SHOULD BRING THE COST DOWN. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN IS WE'VE NOT IN, IN THE MOST RECENT AUCTION THAT CLEAR, SO THEY DO AN AUCTION, THEY HAVE ALL THE POWER PLANTS, UM, FIT INTO THIS. WE'VE SEEN ALMOST NEW NO NATURAL GAS POWER PLANTS, UM, CLEARING IN THE AUCTION. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN BEEN PROPPING UP. WE'VE BEEN RETIRING COAL PLANTS AND BUILDING NATURAL GAS AND UM, NOW WE'RE SHIFTING TO WHERE WE'RE STILL RETIRING COAL PLANTS. BUT THERE'S NO MORE NATURAL GAS, NEW NATURAL GAS PLANTS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN CLEARING IN THE AUCTIONS IN THE, THAT HELP OFFSET THESE COSTS. UM, WE'VE SEEN SOME SOLAR COME ON, UM, BUT NOT NEAR AS MUCH AS WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED, UM, TO OFFSET THE RELIABILITY BEING SEEN IN NATURAL GAS PLANTS TALK ABOUT NUCLEAR, BRING THE NUCLEAR BACK, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS TALK OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THREE MILE ISLAND STARTING BACK UP. UM, AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S A LOT OF DATA CENTERS COMING IN AND THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE THING, MONITORING. SO WE TALK ABOUT THE THE CAPACITY, RIGHT? AND HAVING ENOUGH POWER PLANTS OUT THERE. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RETIREMENTS AND NEW PLANTS BEING BUILT. THE THING I DIDN'T BRING UP IS ALL THE DATA CENTERS, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING CONSTRUCTED AND THAT'S ADDING ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS TO THE SYSTEM. UM, SO THAT'S PART OF AND I KNOW WITH THREE MILE ISLAND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MIGHT, EVEN IF THEY BRING IT BACK, IT WOULD BE ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT TO GO TO A DATA CENTER. A LOT OF THAT CAPACITY. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT. BUT YEAH, GREG, I I HAVE TO ASK 'CAUSE I'M JUST CURIOUS. YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH ALL OUR RESOURCES FOR 2025, IF WE TAKE THE BLUE CREEK WIND FARM, HOW MUCH OF OUR ENERGY PERCENTAGE WILL BE RENEWABLE? UM, WE SHOULD BE UP FOR ABOUT, I'M GONNA GUESS AROUND 25% NOW. THAT'S INCREDIBLE FOR A COMMUNITY OF OUR SIZE, IF THAT AMOUNT OF RENEWABLES CAN STILL BE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE ON OUR ELECTRIC FREIGHT AND THIS, THIS BLUE CREEK WIND FARM WILL JUST ADD TO THAT PORTFOLIO FOR RENEWABLES AND THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS TO KEEP KIND OF LAYERING THAT STUFF IN AND YEAH. CAN YOU SWITCH BACK TO THAT ONE CHART, SCOTT? IT'S [00:55:01] FORWARD, IT'S A BAR CHART WHERE YOU'VE GOT ALL THE DIFFERENT COLORS. YEAH, YEAH. YEP. YEAH. CAN I LOOK AT THAT? JUST A SECOND. SO YOU'RE PHASING OUT. SO YEAH, WHAT ARE YOU PHASING OUT THERE? WE'RE PHASING OUT SOME MARKET CONTRACTS. SO WE'RE WE, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WIND IN HERE. UM, AND THEN WE'RE WE'RE REPLACING THE WIND, UM, WITH MORE WIND AND A LITTLE BIT OF MARKET CONTRACT. REMOVING WHAT ABOUT THAT LITTLE GRAY UNDER THE BLUE? YEAH. THAT THIS ONE HERE? UH, YEAH, BUT YOU, YOU'RE REPLACING WITH ALL SOLAR ON THE SAME, SO THIS IS SOLAR, THE YELLOW AND BLACK. GO TO THE LEFT. THIS ONE HERE? YEAH. THIS IS WHAT A BLOCK WE JUST PURCHASED. WE PURCHASED TWO BLOCKS. ONE FOR 2025 AND THEN ANOTHER ONE FOR 2025 THROUGH 2028. I SEE. THIS IS JUST A MARKET CONTRACT WHERE WE'VE GONE TO LOCK IN A POWER TO FIXED PRICE. OKAY. MM-HMM. , THERE'S NO CALL IN THERE, RIGHT? NO, NO. WE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CALL IN IN ANY OF THIS. I WILL SAY ON THE RED IS A NATURAL GAS POWER PLANT. ABOUT HALF THE COST OUT OF THAT NATURAL GAS PLANT IS NATURAL GAS. WE DO HAVE, UM, A LAYERING STRATEGY THAT HAS SOME CALLS IN PLACE FOR HEDGING OF NATURAL GAS FOR THAT POWER PLANT. BUT THERE'S NO CALLS. UM, NO, I DIDN'T SAY ALL. HE SAID COAL. OH, COAL. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T TALKING ABOUT THAT. OH YEAH, SORRY. YEAH. THE PRAIRIE STATE DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM, THIS IS COAL OUT OF, UM, OUT OF, UH, SOUTHERN ILLINOIS. PRAIRIE STATE. YES. SIGNIFICANT. ABOUT 25%. THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT. DO COUNSEL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST WANNA SAY THIS IS ONE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ONES THAT I FEEL SO VERY BLESSED THAT WE NOT ONLY HAVE MR. FEL, BUT OUR TOWN MANAGER SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME IN THIS FIELD AND IS KNOWLEDGEABLE AND, AND BOTH MR. SPELL AND, AND JOE. CARRIE AND JOE, YOU'RE BOTH SAYING THIS IS THE WAY TO GO. THIS IS, YEAH. THIS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD. RIGHT. THIS USED TO BE, I BROUGHT THIS PROJECT ORIGINALLY BACK WHEN WE STARTED GETTING INTO THE PORTFOLIO. SO DEFINITELY GUARANTEED PROJECT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL FOR STAFF OR, UM, I DON'T WANNA BE IN A POSITION OR COUNSEL'S TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS AND FIGURE IT OUT AFTER SOMETHING EXPIRES AGAIN. YEAH. ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, SO THIS PRESENTATION THAT YOU SENT? MM-HMM? . UM, BECAUSE OUR AGENDA GOES OUT TO THE PUBLIC. OKAY. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW. MS. PRESLEY, IF HE SENDS THIS, COULD YOU ADD THIS SOMEHOW SO THAT THE PUBLIC COULD SEE THIS IN CASE YOU CAN ADD INTO THE AGENDA? I THINK SO. I CAN DO IT. YEAH. AS LONG AS YOU CAN DO THAT THEN THAT WAY. 'CAUSE IF PEOPLE ARE LIKE US LOOKING FOR THAT ON THERE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT, SO, SO SHE'LL JUST ADD IT, JUST SO WE HAVE EVERYTHING. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'RE GOOD. PERFECT. SO COUNSEL, IF IT, WHEN WHEN WOULD THIS, IS THIS AN OCTOBER THING? YEAH, THIS WILL BE ON OCTOBER 28TH. OKAY. THIS WILL BE A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE IT'LL BE A RESOLUTION. OKAY. YEAH. AND I'LL HAVE TO GET WITH GEORGE ON HIS RETURN TO GET THE SQUARED AWAY, BUT WE'LL BE READY FOR OCTOBER 28TH. OKAY. ALL THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. TAKING YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SIR. YEP. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, MS. JUST GOING SAY WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD ON THE TIME. WE THOUGHT I SAY THAT 30. NO, WE SAID 30 MINUTES. 30 MINUTES. WE ARE ALMOST STOP. ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS MS. CAMPBELL AND HER ARE ALL, SO WE HAVE THREE PURCHASING BIDS. THANKS CARRIE. THANK YOU. THANKS CARRIE. GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE Y'ALL? ALRIGHT, GOOD. SO, UM, ITEM FOUR A ONE IS FOR THE BID OF WATER, TWO STAINLESS STEEL DUMP BED BODIES WITH HOIST AND HYDRAULIC SYSTEMS. UM, PURCHASING RECEIVED REQUEST FROM THE AUTO MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT TO PROCURE TWO DUMP BED BODIES FOR THE TWO DUMP TRUCK CHASSIS THAT WE JUST PURCHASED. THAT WAS APPROVED DURING COUNCIL'S REGULAR MEETING ON AUGUST 26TH. FEES WILL BE REPLACING ASSET NUMBER 7 63 AND 7 64 OF 2002 GMC 8,500 DUMP TRUCKS. THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT WAS SEALED. COMPETITIVE BIDDING I SET FORTH IN THE VIRGINIA PUBLIC PROCUREMENT ACT. UH, [01:00:01] SO ON SEPTEMBER 5TH WE HELD A PUBLIC BID OPENING AND RECEIVED ONE RESPONSE FROM GODWIN MANUFACTURING COMPANY OUT OF THAT NORTH CAROLINA. AND THE AMOUNT OF $106,542 WORTH THE QUANTITY FOR BOTH STAINLESS STEEL DUMP BED BODIES. UH, COUNSEL HAS REQUESTED TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF THE DUMP BED BODIES DURING THE REGULAR SCHEDULED OCTOBER, 2018. ALL GUIDELINES HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED ONE PRESENT EVENING. SO WE REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON, RIGHT. ONE PERSON, ONE BID. I'M ONE BID. YEAH. I'M SAYING HAPPENING. WELL THAT'S GOOD. WE GOT ONE, RIGHT? SO NOW DO YOU CHECK, I'M JUST CURIOUS FOR PROCESSING, I APOLOGIZE IF I SHOULD KNOW IT, BUT DO YOU CHECK FIRST FOR THAT SHARED PROCUREMENT FIRST BEFORE YOU PUT OUT A BID? WELL, THROUGH PROCUREMENT? YEAH. YEAH, ACTUALLY, UM, DON, HE'S REALLY GOOD ABOUT THAT. I HE'S GONNA CHECK IN THE VIRGINIA SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION OR A SOURCE WELL, OR WHATEVER. SO, UM, SO THERE WAS NO, NO OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE LIKE, I, I PRESUME NOTHING BECAUSE YOU WENT ON TO DO THIS, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THIS IS THE BEST DEAL WE'RE GETTING IS BASICALLY WHAT THE ONLY, THE ONLY. ALRIGHT, SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? I GUESS A, A QUESTION NOW WE'VE ALREADY BOUGHT THE CHASSIS, BUT COULD YOU LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF BUYING THESE TRUCKS ON THE MARKET WHOLE INSTEAD OF BUYING A CHASSIS, FIND THE BID. SO WE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN THE STATE CON, UH, WE USUALLY USE THE, UH, THE STATE CONTRACT FOR SHERIFF'S, UH, DEPARTMENT CONTRACT TO PURCHASE THE VEHICLES. AND THE VEHICLES USUALLY COME WITHOUT A, UM, ANY KIND OF BID BECAUSE THE CHASSIS ARE JUST FITTED FOR WHATEVER THE NEED IS. SO IT'S BETTER FOR US TO BUY THE CHASSIS SEPARATE FROM THE, UH, FROM THE ACTUAL BED OR, YOU KNOW, UTILITY BED OR DUMP BED OR WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA PUT ON THE BACK OF THEM. 90% OF YOUR VEHICLES JUST, THAT'S THE WAY THEY COME FOR INDUSTRIAL USE. I MEAN, YOU RIDE BY THESE INDUSTRIAL TRUCK BLOCKS AND YOU SEE THE TRUCKS WITH ALUMINUM BEDS. YEAH. AND YOU CAN GET 'EM THAT WAY. IT'S, IT'S, IT IS A BETTER BENEFIT FOR US AND CHEAPER FOR US TO DO IT THIS WAY. UM, THE, THAT'S THE ANSWER. OKAY. THE, UH, ONE OF THE DUMP TRUCKS THAT WE'RE GETTING, I THINK WE'LL HAVE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. THE OTHER ONE'S PROBABLY A YEAR OUT FROM PRODUCTION. SO THE, UM, UH, WE'LL HAVE THE BEDS SHIPPED TO MANUFACTURING AND INSTALL FOR US. THANK YOU. SO THE ANSWER IS AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS THAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT EFFICIENT, RIGHT? CORRECT. ALRIGHT, CAMPBELL, SO THAT'S GOING ON THE 28TH AND I'M ASSUMING, I'M ASSUMING IT CAN BE UNDER CONSENT, RIGHT? EVEN THOUGH IT'S LARGE PURCHASE ITEM. OKAY. EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH IT GOING ON CONSENT? YEAH. ALRIGHT, NEXT UP, PURCHASE OF REPLACEMENT POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR PATROL VIDEOS, VI VEHICLES. SORRY, . UM, SO WE, UM, YEAH, SO THIS IS FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, PATROL VEHICLES, WHAT YOU JUST SAID. UH, THREE OF THEM THAT ARE GONNA BE REPLACING, UM, 3 12 13 CHEVROLET AND PALACE AND VEHICLE NUMBER IS 2 0 2 2 11 AND 2 98. THEY'LL BE ASSIGNED TO THE PATROL DIVISION. THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT IS COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING. UH, IN THIS CASE WE ARE USING THE VIRGINIA SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION STATE CONTRACT. UM, AND WE RECEIVED A QUOTE ON THAT FROM HALL AUTOMOTIVE, WHICH WE DEALT WITH ACTUALLY QUITE OFTEN. UM, OUT OF VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA, UM, STAFF RECEIVED A QUOTE FOR 153,000 $136 98 CENTS FOR ALL THREE EQUALS. UM, THE DEPARTMENT HAS 29,000 IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR OPERATIONAL BUDGET FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE PATROL VEHICLES WITH THE REMAINING UTILIZE THE OUTFIT AND COMPLETE THE VEHICLES FOR DUTY. IT DOES , I'M SORRY, FITTINGS DONE BY FLEET MAINTENANCE? IS THAT WHAT THE QUESTION IS? YEAH. YES. OUR, WE DO FLEET THE . OKAY. ANYTHING, ANY, ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS BEING GOOD ON THE OCTOBER 28TH INCIDENT AGENDA? JUST SO THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT KNOW, CONSIDER HOW MANY MILES WE HAD ON THE OTHER VEHICLES. SOME OVER 2000, DIDN'T THEY? SOME OF THE PATROL VEHICLES THEY WERE AT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONES THAT WERE REPLACING OR HAVE AT A HUNDRED TO 110,000. I THINK THE ONES YOU REFERRED TO ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED. THEY, YEAH, WE DON'T LET 'EM GET THAT HIGH USUALLY, BUT I KNOW THIS IS ALSO [01:05:01] SOMETHING THAT HAD GOTTEN PUSHED BACK SEVERAL TIMES. SO WE WERE SEVERAL VEHICLES BEHIND ON, RIGHT? WE ARE BEHIND POLICE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. WE'RE STILL BEHIND, RIGHT? YEAH. I THINK THEY NEEDED SIX. SO THIS WILL GET US HALFWAY TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE BECAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN STAGGERED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, BUT WE HAD FALLEN BEHIND CAME. CERTAINLY DON'T WANT 'EM BREAKING DOWN. AND WHEN THEY REACH THAT LEVEL OF MILEAGE WHERE WE'RE NOT, HOW DOES THAT, I'VE ASKED THIS. I I FEEL LIKE I'VE ASKED THIS A HUNDRED TIMES. DOES IT GO INTO LIKE AN AUCTION OR DOES IT JUST TAKE PLACE OF THESE ONES THAT MIGHT HAVE 200,000? WE'LL REPURPOSE THEM THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. RIGHT. TAKE WE'LL TAKE THE, BASICALLY THE WORST VEHICLE OFF OUR, OFF OUR RIGHT INVENTORY. YEAH. SUBMIT THAT TO THE AUCTION. IF IT COULD BE USED IN HORTICULTURE PATROL VEHICLE. IF IT COULD BE USED IN ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. YEAH. SO IT JUST PUSHES EVERYTHING DOWN AND THE OLDEST GETS KNOCKED OUT. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO IN THEIR HOMES, RIGHT? THEIR OWN VEHICLES. ALL RIGHT, MS. CAMPBELL, YOU GOT ONE MORE? ONE MORE. THIS IS FOR, UM, THE PURCHASE OF VARIOUS GRADES OF ASPHALT FOR 3 25. UM, YOU GUYS WILL BE REQUESTED TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT FOR FIRM FIXED PRICING ON VARIOUS GRADES OF ASPHALT FOR THE GENERAL STREET PATCHING AND SURFACING OF TOWN STREETS. UM, REQUESTED TO APPROVE THE CONTRACT TO STEWART AND PERRY, UH, FOR BASE GRADE ASPHALT AT $83 A TON INTERMEDIATE, $83 A TON, AND FINISHED GRADE AT $85 A TON. THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE SOLICITED AN INVITATION FOR BIDS AS PER THE VPPA GUIDELINES USING EVA, THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA'S ONLINE PROCUREMENT WEBSITE ON THE PUBLIC DATA OPENING, RECEIVING ONE RESPONSE, WHICH WAS FROM STEWART AND PERRY. UM, THE FUNDS FOR THIS REQUEST ARE AVAILABLE IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE ON ITEM FOUR, HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES AND STREETS, UM, BI FUNDED REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES. IS THAT PRODUCED LOCALLY OR THAT AS ONE VERY ING MR. PERRY'S IN FREDERICK COUNTY, WINCHESTER AREA. I MEAN, UH, WE HAVE TO GO THERE TOGETHER. IT'S NOT OUT HERE. THEY HAVE BOTH. YEAH, IT'S BOTH. I THINK THEY TRY TO GO CLEAN, SO SOMETIMES IF THEY HAVE ENOUGH THEY'LL DO IT. THERE. NOT OBVIOUSLY WE TRY TO USE FRONT OIL FIRST. SO ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS GOING ON THE OCTOBER 28TH CONSENT AGENDA? GONNA BE A BIG CONCERN, AGENDA THAT LAST, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE CONSENT. ALRIGHT. ANY, ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. TAKE BACK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. WILSON. GOOD. YOU'RE UP FOR THE NEXT TWO, I BELIEVE? YES, MA'AM. SO FIRST ONE IS, UH, FISCAL BUDGET AMENDMENT GRANTING $3,000, UH, FOR INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST, UH, CHILDREN'S FUNDS, UH, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO BE USED FOR TECHN VAGINALLY, UH, TECHNOLOGIES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THEIR, UH, UH, THEIR DIVISION, UH, AND INVESTIGATIONS. UM, WE'VE DONE THIS, I THINK WITH THIS LAST YEAR, MAY HAVE DONE IT, UH, IN THE PAST. THE MONEY COMES IN AND SPENDS, WE REIMBURSE THERE. SO ANY QUESTIONS? I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF SIMPLISTIC TERMS. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S GOING ON. THE CONSENT. VERY GOOD. NEXT ONE I HAVE IS FOR THE, UM, UH, COMPREHENSIVE WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITY COST OF SERVICE STUDY. UH, WE TRY TO DO OUR COST OF SERVICE STUDIES EVERY FIVE YEARS. UH, LAST COST OF SERVICE STUDY WE DID FOR WATER AND SEWER WAS IN, UH, 2019. WE DID DO AN UPDATE IN 2021 WHEN WE RECEIVED THE ARPA FUNDS AND WAS ABLE TO ACTUALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, INCREASES THAT WE HAD TO HAVE FOR WATER AND SEWER. ACTUALLY, WATER'S REMAINED THE SAME, UH, SINCE UH, AND SEWER WAS, UH, DECREASED, UH, IN THOSE, UM, UH, VALUES. BUT, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO USE STANTEC, UH, AGAIN, UH, FOR THE STUDY. THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB FOR US IN THE PAST. I PROVIDED MODELS OF DEEP ANALYSIS, UM, AND THEY CAN GET THE, UH, UH, THE FIGURES TO US BEFORE WE, UH, UH, PROVIDE THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR COUNCIL THERE IN FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR. UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THE, UH, ONE OTHER THING I SHOULD SAY, THE AMOUNT OF THE ANALYSIS IS $49,895. [01:10:01] UH, WE DID, UH, BUDGET FOR THAT IN THE, UH, IT'S INCLUDED IN THE FISCAL 25 CURRENT PJ THAT'S UNDER EACH OF THE, UH, ENTERPRISE. CORRECT? UH, IT'LL BE SPLIT HALF WATER, HALF SEWER. I WAS GONNA SAY BEING AROUND WHEN WE DID USE STANTEC BEFORE, WELL, ACTUALLY WHEN I FIRST GOT ON 2020, WE WERE STILL USING THE INFORMATION, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY, THAT THEY DID THE QUALITY JOBS. SO I THINK GEORGE, UH, REVIEW THOSE CONTRACTS. GEORGE, DOES GEORGE REVIEW THOSE? HE WILL REVIEW THE CONTRACTS IF, IF WE AWARD A CON, YOU KNOW. OKAY. ALL, UH, ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS GO THROUGH LEGAL. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE. OKAY. CONSENT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WELL NUMBER FOUR D IS THE REASONING APPLICATION. WE GOT THE NEXT TWO ACTUALLY. SO THIS RE RESUME APPLICATIONS IN AN AREA Y'ALL HAVE SEEN BEFORE. BUT THIS IS, UM, KAREN ALEXANDER, UH, SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO RECLASSIFY A VACANT PARCEL FROM C ONE TO R THREE. UH, SO IT'S ABOUT A HALF ACRE LOT AND IT IS OVER, UM, IN THAT NORTHERN PORTION OF TOWN. BURG IS RIGHT THERE ON STRASBURG ROAD. UM, AND HERE'S THE CURRENT ZONING MAP. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THERE IS A SECTION OF R THREE ZONED LAND THAT IS ADJACENT TO IT. TOWNHOUSES ARE CURRENTLY BEING CONSTRUCTED THERE. UM, THIS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT IS ACCESSED BY THAT, UM, LIKE JUST SMALL ROAD THAT BEAT OUT INSTALLED WHEN THAT INTERSECTION WAS CONSTRUCTED. MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO WHEN WE SEARCHED BACK THROUGH THE HISTORY, WE FOUND OUT THAT IN 1980, THIS AREA THAT WAS INITIALLY RESIDENTIAL AND WAS USED IN RESIDENTIAL WAS REZONED C ONE. AND SINCE THEN, THE COMMERCIAL USES HAVEN'T OCCURRED THERE. THIS, IT'S STAYED RESIDENTIAL. MOST OF THESE USES ARE CONSIDERED LEGALLY NON-PERFORMING. SO AS LONG AS THEY DON'T CHANGE 'EM, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO, UM, OPERATE AS ASSETS. AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER, UM, AND SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES CALL FOR THIS AREA TO BE COMMERCIAL. BUT IN OUR COMMERCIAL, UM, DESIGNATION IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IT DOES SAY THAT HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL COULD BE APPROPRIATE. SO WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, A RESIDENTIAL REZONING IS IN COMPLIANCE HERE. WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR CON I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS AN AREA THAT GOT PASSED US WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING IT. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FORWARD THAT RECOMMENDATION OVER BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF REZONINGS, AND I'M ANTICIPATING ANOTHER ONE IN THIS AREA IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO, UM, WHEN YOU CONSTANTLY SEE REZONING APPLICATIONS FROM ONE ZONE TO ANOTHER, IN THIS CASE, ESPECIALLY DOWN ZONING, UM, IT MAKES IT, IT SAYS THAT THERE'S A, A PROBLEM WITH THE UNDERLYING ZONE. SO THE MARKET'S SAYING COMMERCIAL DOESN'T WORK HERE. AND IF I MAY ADD, WHEN THAT WAS RESOUND COMMERCIAL, OF COURSE THE NEW INTERSECTION DIDN'T EXIST, THAT ROADWAY, I, I THINK THE OWNERS FURTHER ON DOWN NEAR 5 22, 3 40 ENVISION MAYBE IN SHEETS OR SOMETHING GOING THERE. AND OF COURSE WHEN THEY RECONFIGURED EVERYTHING, UM, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING OUT THIS ROAD THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED. RIGHT. SEVERELY LIMITS THE COMMERCIAL VIABILITY OF THESE LAWS. YEAH. 'CAUSE I MEAN, WHO, I MEAN YOU COULDN'T PUT SOMETHING BACK THERE COMMERCIAL 'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO GO UP AND GO DOWN AND NOW IF IT POPPED OUT, WENT TO UM, FIVE 20. LIKE VIC YEAH. OR POPPED DOWN ON DUCK STREET. BUT THAT'S TRUE I GUESS. BUT I TELL YOU, DUCK STREET COULDN'T TAKE ANY MORE TRAFFIC TO, TO REACH FOR IT TO WORK ESSENTIALLY THAT ENTIRE CORNER THERE OR BASICALLY GIANT BLOCK WOULD NEED TO BE SOLD. MM-HMM. TO AND REDEVELOPED IN RIGHT. IN ONE FELL STREET. WELL, WE JUST REZONED OR DOWN ZONE, UM, RUFFNERS PROPERTY AND THAT'S, UH, WHAT HOLLOW IS GONNA PUT THE TOWNHOUSES ON. YEAH. WHERE IS THAT? CAN YOU JUST POINT AND I MEAN, WHERE ARE THOSE NEW TOWNHOUSE IS GOING? SO RIGHT HERE WHERE IT'S OUR THREE YEAH, THAT'S WHERE YOUR TOWN, THESE TOWNHOUSES ARE GONNA GO. SO IT WAS THESE TWO LOTS. OKAY. SO, BUT HE'LL ENTER THE, THE ENTRANCE WILL BE ON DUCK STREET. YOU'LL ON DUCK STREET. [01:15:02] SO I THOUGHT I READ WHERE THIS PERSON WANTED, UM, TO DO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR DUPLEX. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. SO ISN'T THAT COVERED UNDER R TWO THOUGH? IT YES, IT IS. SO WHY DID THEY GO TO R WHY ARE THEY REQUESTING THE HIGHER DENSITY R THREE? OH, YOU KNOW, NO, I MEAN R THREE WORKS THERE. IT'S GONNA WORK. THE LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE THE SAME. AND BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY ANOTHER R THREE LOT BEHIND IT, IT, IT WORKS. SO BECAUSE THERE'S AN ADJACENT LOT WITH THAT ZONING, THIS REQUEST WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. BUT THE OTHERS ARE TOO FURTHER DOWN. DECIDED THAT FURTHER DOWN. YEAH. OH, I WAS GONNA SAY FLIP UP TO THE NEXT ONE WHERE IT SHOWED IT. MAYBE THAT'LL ANSWER FOR YOU. NO, I THINK IT WAS THE BACK ONE. SORRY. YEAH, SORRY. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE R THREE. YEAH. OKAY. WHAT'S THE, UH, ONE, JUST ACCURATE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO I THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT CREEK. I THINK IT WAS MO NO, MATTHEW'S IS RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER. IT JUST SAID MO MOY. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. GOTCHA. ALSO ADD PART OF THIS, THEY TORE DOWN THE BURN DOWN HOUSE. OH DID THEY? OH GOOD. THAT'S GONE. YEAH, RIGHT AFTER THAT. SO, UM, COUNSEL IS EVERYBODY, UM, ARE WE OKAY WITH, UH, WELL ACTUALLY THE, IT SAYS STAFF SUPPORTS THE RECOGNITION OF THE REZONING FROM C ONE TO R THREE STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL DIRECT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO AMEN. NOT PLAN, WHICH LOOKS WHAT I SHOW THIS PORTION OF. SO REALLY? OR, OR WE, WE CAN'T ADD IT TO THE 28TH. DOESN'T HAVE TO PLAN AMENDMENT. NO, NO. I MEAN WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR OUT OF THIS FROM US TO PUT IT ON DOCTOR'S A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. THAT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. WELL I GUESS IT IS, WE'RE EARLY ENOUGH IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. THERE'S STILL TIME. OKAY. SORRY. SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET IN ON FOR THAT MONTH. BUT WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR NOVEMBER. IS IT? NO, IT'S FOR OCTOBER. I WAS GONNA SAY BECAUSE NOT THE SECOND CLIP WORK SESSION. FIRST IT'S NOVEMBER. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ISSUES WITH PUTTING THE QUESTION FOR LAUREN. SO AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE AREA OR JUST THIS LOT? UH, JUST FOR THIS, FOR THIS AREA. THIS, UM, WELL THE AMENDING THE AREA YES. THE WHOLE AREA. NOT JUST THAT LOT THAT YOU'VE COME BEFORE TONIGHT. CORRECT. SO I THINK STAFF'S OPINION IS THAT THIS AREA THAT'S BEEN REZONED C ONE SHOULD PROBABLY BE ZONED R THREE. THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA WORK IN THAT AREA. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT JUST SAYING, WELL THE COMP PLAN WITH THE, WITH THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DESIGNATE THAT SPECIFIC ZONE UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO BLANKET REZONE IT. BUT WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING IS YOU'D ESSENTIALLY SAY INSTEAD OF COMMERCIAL, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL USE WITH THAT IN THAT COMP PLAN. AND THAT WOULD BE THE, UM, THAT'S THE NOT A SINGLE FAMILY ZONING. AND I WOULD ASSUME AT THE PUBLIC HEARING IF ANYBODY OWNED ANY OF THAT PROPERTY AND THEY HAD AT SOME POINT THOUGHT THEY WERE BUYING IT 'CAUSE THEY WERE GONNA DEVELOP A COMMERCIAL, THEY THEY'D COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TALK ABOUT THAT. DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT? ANTICIPATE ANYBODY THAT'S GONNA GIVE US NOT LIKE THIS IDEA. NO. OKAY. JUST CURIOUS. THE LOTS ADJACENT TO THIS ARE FOR SALE IN THERE BEING MARKETED AS A POTENTIAL FOR, UH, TOWN HALLS. OKAY. WHICH IS ALREADY COULD BE OUR OR THREE OR THREE OR THREE WITH A REZONING. THAT'S HOW IT'S BEING MARKED. BUT THAT WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE. CORRECT. BUT IF WE AMEND THE COMP PLAN, WILL THEY, ALL YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE. OKAY. BUT HALF OF IT'S ALREADY IN RESIDENTIAL. BUT I'M SAYING THERE IS, WE WERE JUST SAYING LIKE IF WE AMEND THE COMP PLAN, THEY DON'T HAVE TO FILL OUT A NEW REZONING APPLICATION, WOULD THEY? NO, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO. OKAY. IT IT THE ZONING THE STAYS. RIGHT. BUT THE PLAN RECOMMENDS. GOTCHA. OKAY. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SAYING NOT SPOT, IT'S JUST CLEANING IT UP. YEP. I GOTCHA. I'D SAY THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE MESSED UP ON THAT GOLF PLAN WE DID. ALL RIGHT. 'CAUSE THERE WAS AN AWFUL LOT OF COURSE IN TOWN WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET FEEDBACK ON. YEAH. YEAH. PEOPLE AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH IT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP MS. ALSO HAS ITEM FOUR E, WHICH IS THE SOCIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE MURAL. YES. FOR ESTABLISHING. [01:20:01] SO THIS IS AN ARTISTIC MURAL AND IT'S EXCEEDING 60 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, WHICH WAS THE TRIGGER FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT NOW BEING NECESSARY. SO THE PROPOSED MURAL IS 268 SQUARE FEET. UM, IT IS AT 2 96 SOUTH STREET. SO THAT IS SALVATION ARMY BUILDING. UM, AND IT'S, SO TOWN CODE DEFINES THAT SIGN AS ANY DEVICE IN PULLING LETTERS, WORDS, SYMBOLS, ET CETERA. USE TEND TO ATTRACT ATTENTION FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO, UM, THIS DOES QUALIFY AS A SIGN AND THEREFORE SUBJECT TO THESE REGULATIONS, ESPECIALLY WALL SIGN. UM, IT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT IF IT'S PAINTED OR AGAINST A FLAT VERTICAL SURFACE, IT, IT UM, AND SO WITH THIS, ANYTHING THERE OVER 60 SQUARE FEET REQUIRES THIS. SO THIS IS THE RENDERING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED. UM, I IT SHOULD TELL THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT STAFF IS NOT MAKING RECOMMENDATION TO SUBJECT S ART OR VERY SUBJECTIVE AT YOUR PUBLIC HEARING. UH, JUSTIN PROCTOR SPEAK. SO PACE, THIS IS IN COORDINATION WITH THE ACES GROUP AND THE LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT. SO, UM, YES. AND THEY HAD ALREADY PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED, I BELIEVE REQUEST WAIVE THE, WE DISCUSS, WE DISCUSSED IT AT OUR LAST COUNCIL. WE DISCUSSED THE FEE WAIVER. BUT THIS IS WHAT, OKAY, SO THAT'S THE RENDERING. MM-HMM. WE'RE, I'M ASSUMING WHOEVER THE ARTIST IS, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. RIGHT? THAT IS WHAT IT'S OKAY. I ONLY ASK 'CAUSE YEAH, WE'VE GOTTEN THINGS BEFORE WHERE THEY SAID THAT'S WHAT IT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE AND DIDN'T REALLY TOTALLY LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THAT'S HOPEFULLY THAT'S, THIS IS WHAT IS APPROVED. ANY DEVIATION FROM THIS IS NOT APPROVED. OH. AND THEY WOULD BE GETTING . I'M SURE THEY'RE STRAP STRAP TO DO THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY, SO THAT IS ALSO, AND EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THIS GOING ON CONSENT? NOPE. THEY CAN'T GO ON CONSENT. A SPECIAL USE PERMIT HAS TO BE, OH, SORRY. HOW MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE WE AT NOW FOR OCTOBER? JUST TWO. OKAY. TWO. I THINK IT'S OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I TOO BECAUSE I THINK IF ANYBODY HAD ISSUES WITH THE, THEY ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT. ALRIGHT, MR. WE, YOU ARE THE LUCKY WINNER OF THE NEXT TWO ITEMS. F1 AND TWO. VERY GOOD. UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED, ACTUALLY I'VE GOT FOUR OUT OF TOWN UTILITY CONNECTIONS THAT I'M WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. AND TONIGHT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TWO THAT ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. UH, THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, PLY SMITH, ALSO CALLED BOND DRIVE, LLC. UH, THIS IS FOR, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE CORRIDOR AND AS YOU KNOW, UH, ACCORDING TO THE AGREEMENT, WE PROVIDE COMMERCIAL SERVICE BUT NOT INDUSTRIAL SERVICE IN THE CORRIDOR. AND SO THESE TWO APPLICATIONS THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT ARE INDUSTRIAL BUT IN THE CORRIDOR LIMITS. SO THE FIRST ONE, PLY SMITH IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD AND LANDSCAPING AND, AND UM, UH, LANDSCAPING SERVICES, THEY ESTIMATE THEY'LL HAVE A NUMBER OF 72 EMPLOYEES AT THAT FACILITY. AND ON THEIR UTILITY APPLICATION, THEY ARE ESTIMATING WATER USAGE AT 611 GALLONS PER DAY. AND JUST KIND OF PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, A HOME WOULD NORMALLY USE ABOUT 260 GALLONS PER DAY. SO THIS REQUEST IS BASICALLY THE USE OF TWO HOMES. DID YOU SAY 600? 11? 600, 11,000 AND A HOME USUALLY USES WAGES ABOUT 260. OKAY. A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 2 MILLION, BUT ABOUT LESS THAN THREE HOMES. LESS THAN THREE. JOE, I, I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THIS. WHEN SOMEBODY MAKES AN APPLICATION LIKE THIS, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY ESTIMATE THAT THEY WOULD USE, RIGHT? AND, AND LET'S SAY COUNSEL MOVES FORWARD AND SAYS, YES, IT'S OKAY. AND THEN IN THE END THEY USE YOU FIVE TIMES THE AMOUNT THEY'VE SAID. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'LL HAPPEN HERE, BUT, BUT JUST ANY APPLICATION RIGHT. CAN DO WE EVER HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME BACK AND SAY, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING IN EXCESS OF WHAT WE GAVE YOU PERMISSION FOR. I THINK THAT DURING THE EVALUATION, AND, AND ROBBIE'S HERE TONIGHT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE REVIEW ALL THESE APPLICATIONS, SITE PLANS AND EVERYTHING AS WELL. SO NORMALLY A GOOD INDICATOR [01:25:01] WILL BE THE SIZE OF THE PIPE COMING INTO THE FACILITY THAT WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE BANDWIDTH OR WHAT THEIR CAPACITY THAT THEY CAN PULL FROM THAT. SO THAT ADDS A LITTLE REALITY TO THEIR NUMBERS. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE WATER LINE, IT'S GONNA BE CERTAIN ONLY, ONLY ASK THAT QUESTION JUST FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S KNOWLEDGE IS UM, OR NOT KNOWLEDGE. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, YOU KNOW, WATER, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT MORE HOUSES PULLING MORE WATER. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS ISN'T GONNA BE A SITUATION WHERE THIS IS WHAT WE SAY AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW IT'S MORE. SO IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT THERE ISN'T GONNA BE ANY KIND OF MAKE AND SWITCH. WELL, I I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT, BUT WHAT IF IN THE FUTURE FIVE YEARS THEY SELL THE PROPERTY TO A BREWERY? I THINK IT FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY, CORRECT? CORRECT. THIS APPLICATION DOESN'T TRANSFER WITH THE IT DOES NOT. NO, THIS IS THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT THAT HAS FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION FOR YOU. THE CONNECTION IS UNDER THEIR NAME. BUT THAT IS, BUT SO, SO EVEN IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD, THE WATER, I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M LOOKING, BUT GEORGE HAS GONE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT WATER IS WITH THIS APPLICATION, THIS BUSINESS, THIS INDUSTRY, THIS APPLICATION, WE WILL HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY FOR THIS PROPERTY. GOTCHA. IT IS NOT TRANSFERRABLE AT ALL. OKAY. WELL I SAY THAT BUT I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE LEGAL GEORGE HAS COMMENTED ON THAT BEFORE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PLACES OUT OF TOWN AND IF THEY AREN'T USING IT FOR WHAT WE APPROVED IT FOR, WE DO HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO REVOKE THAT REVOCABLE. BUT ALSO, I MEAN THIS APPLICATION IS SOLELY IN THEIR NAME. RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. IF THEY SELL IT TO SOMEBODY OR LEASE IT TO SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT THE NAME OF THE APPLICATION. RIGHT. AND THEY LISTED THEIR GALLONS PER DAY, THEY LISTED THEIR EMPLOYEES, THEY LISTED THEIR USE. I MEAN IT'S ENCOURAGING TO KNOW THAT THAT'S THAT MANY MORE JOBS THAT ARE GONNA BE AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. 70 72. 72. 72 MORE JOBS. YEAH. AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS PART OF THE ED'S UM, REAL ESTATE ASSETS THAT THEY FINALLY SOLD OFF MAYBE. YEAH, IT WAS. YEAH. OKAY. ROBBIE DID TOO. WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE 'CAUSE THEY HAD TO HAVE SOME STUFF DONE BY THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THEIR USE WAS APPROPRIATE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? YES, LOOKING YEP. ME TOO. I'VE ANSWERED MINE. SO MR. WALTZ, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN WE, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS? I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF APPROVAL ON OCTOBER 28TH. BUT I'LL HAVE TO GET WITH LEGAL AND WE'LL WORK THAT OUT. YEAH. BUT I DO BELIEVE IT'LL BE APPROVAL AND I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND THAT IF WE DO ANYTHING OF THIS SORT, THAT IT WOULD BE A BUSINESS ITEM. I'M NOT CONSENT. OKAY. UM, AND I WOULD SAY WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS AVAILABLE ON OCTOBER OR 28TH IS GONNA BE WHETHER OR NOT LEGAL CAN GET IT PREPARED CORRECT. IN TIME. SO IF NOT, IT WOULD BE A NOVEMBER ITEM. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NEXT. ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT ONE IS ALSO OUT IN THE CORRIDOR. THE SAME PRINCIPLES. IT'S CALLED RUSH MARK ROCKLIN ROAD. THEY'RE AT THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE THREE 40 AND 5 22 IN ROCKLAND ROAD. THIS IS FOR, ALSO FOR AN INDUSTRIAL USE. UH, THIS WILL BE A WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION CENTER. UH, ON THEIR APPLICATION THEY SAY A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WILL BE 136, ESTIMATED WATER USAGE IS 675 GALLONS PER DAY. SO SAME STORY LESS THAN THREE HOUSES, LITTLE MORE THAN TWO, LESS THAN THREE. AND THAT'S A HUNDRED. SO JUST ROUGH CAL ESTIMATING. THAT'S LIKE 200 NEW JOBS IN OUR COMMUNITY. YES. THAT'S THAT'S WONDERFUL. YEAH. WHEN WE CAN, WE CAN, WE'RE DOING BETTER THAN THE GOVERNMENT . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, ANYBODY QUESTIONS? UH, YES. YES. GO AHEAD. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO OUR WATER STUDIES SHOW THAT WE HAVE CHALLENGES AT THE RIVERS AND PUMP STATION. CORRECT. SO WILL THIS IMPACT THAT IN ANY QUESTION? OH, IT'LL HAVE AN IMPACT, BUT I THINK IT'LL BE MINIMAL. I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA PUT US OVER THE THRESHOLD, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO LET ROBBIE ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I WAS GONNA SAY, AND I GUESS WE CAN'T SAY THE NAME, BUT WE LOST THE LARGE USER TWO YEARS AGO OUT THERE. IT WAS ONE OF OUR BIGGER USERS. THE LAUNDRY. YEAH. THAT FREED UP. SO ACTUALLY THIS WILL HELP US SOME. UM, BECAUSE WE REALLY TOOK A BEATING WHEN WE LOST THAT. IT MADE THE AMOUNT OF WATER. YEAH. IT MADE THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE COST OF THE REDUNDANT WATER LINE. BY LOSING THAT, THAT PERSON WE WERE SUPPLYING TO WAS ALMOST LIKE A SLAP IN THE FACE. 'CAUSE WE WERE ENSURING WE HAD THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PUSH THE WATER OUT THERE AND THEY STOPPED USING ICE. THEY WERE PAYING DOUBLE TOO. SO THAT REALLY IS THE DROP IN THE BUCKET. THESE PEOPLE WILL PAY DOUBLE AS WELL. CORRECT? YEAH, THEY'VE, SO IT'S LIKE PAYING FOR SIX POUNDS. . OKAY. THANK YOU HONOR. I MEAN, THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN. WE [01:30:01] KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES. YEAH, THERE ARE SOME, WE DO HAVE SOME CHOKE POINTS, PARTICULARLY IN RIVERTON AND THE SEWER SITE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS 12, 1300 GALLONS WILL, WILL PUT US, UH, THIS WILL HELP PAY FOR THE UPGRADES TO THEM. YEAH, I WAS ACTUALLY JUST SAY THAT'S WHAT I, ANY EXTRA MONEY THAT, THAT THIS IS BEYOND WHAT THEY'RE USING CAN GO TOWARDS THE DOUBLE TAP FEES. CORRECT. THE DOUBLE TAP FEES AND DOUBLE MONTHLY THE MONEY WILL HELP ADDRESS THE DESTRUCTION. SO THEY PAY DOUBLE WATER TOO, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO I'M HAVING A PROBLEM RUNNING, WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND 130 PEOPLE IN A FACILITY WOULD ONLY BE TWO AND A HALF TIMES A HOME. WELL, THEY'RE NOT SHOWERING OR ANYTHING. THEY'RE JUST USING THE BATHROOM. THEY'RE NOT SHOWERING, WASHING THEIR CLOTHES. SO WELL ANSWER IS SO MANY. SO PROBABLY IT'S A DIFFERENT THAN HAVING PEOPLE THERE ALL THE TIME THAN HAVING PEOPLE DISPATCHED IN THE FIELD. YEAH. SO WE'LL CITY OPERATE 12 HOURS, HOURS AN OPERATION. 12 HOURS. YEAH. THEY'RE OPERATING. SO REALLY ONLY THAT'S HALF A DAY. I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW. YEAH. BUT, BUT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS REALLY, THERE'S PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT 60 PEOPLE IN THERE IF IT'S 130, ABOUT 65 PEOPLE IN THERE AT A TIME. MM-HMM. . AND I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU WHAT THEY'RE USING THE WATER COURSE. YEAH. BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST BE WATER. I'M IMAGINING WATER TO DRINK, NO TUB, NO TUBS, NO SHOWERS. YEP. AND THEY'RE USING THE RESTROOM. YEAH. SO NOT COOLING MACHINES. RIGHT. SO THE UTILITY APPLICATION, ASK THESE TYPE OF QUESTIONS. RIGHT. SO LIKE THE ONE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, NUMBER TO, IT'S 12 FOUR URINALS, FOUR SINKS, NO TUBS OF SHOWERS. SO IT KIND OF TELLS YOU THERE MAY BE, I, WE COULD PROBABLY, PROBABLY, CAN YOU BACK INTO THAT NUMBER? 611 OR 675 GALLONS PER GALLONS? YEAH. SEE, I MEAN, LIKE, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING ON THE PLANS, IT MAY HAVE JUST SHOWS NORMAL BATHROOMS. AND ONE THING I DID FORGET TO MENTION, UM, THE ONE BALL DRIVE FOR THE, UH, THE WHOLESALE NURSE PART, UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ON THE ORIGINAL SITE PLANS. SO THEY'RE GETTING READY TO SHOW IT THOUGH. SO WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A WELL IN THE BACK. THEY WON'T BE CROSS CONNECTED FOR THE WATERING FOR THE PLANTS. UM, SO THAT WATER ALL BE COMES FROM THAT. WELL, SO DOES THE BATHROOMS. AND THEN THE SAME RUSH MARK, UM, THEIR PLANS SHOW SOME BATHROOMS AND BREAK ROOM IN THAT. YEAH. 'CAUSE 12 BATHROOMS THAT NOT, LIKE SOME HOMES HAVE THREE BATHROOMS HAVE PUSHING ON. AND LIKE THE BALL DRIVE PART OF THOSE TWO, BOTH THOSE BUILDINGS SHOW A SHOP AREA AND LIKE SOME STORAGE AND IT'S JUST SOME SMALLER OFFICES WITH BATHROOMS. THESE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS. THE THINGS WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES AS WE, BECAUSE UM, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, WE DON'T HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE WATER, UH, TO ANYBODY OUTSIDE THE TOWN LIMITS AND, AND IN THE CORRIDOR IT'S ONLY FOR COMMERCIAL THAT WE'RE OBLIGATED FOR. SO, UM, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS? BECAUSE, 'CAUSE IF YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD, THIS'LL BE A OCTOBER THING TOO, ASSUMING LEGAL CAN GET IT READY. I'D RATHER PROVIDE WATER TO FOUR OF THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA PROVIDE JOBS AND PAY DOUBLE THE TAP FEES AND WATER USAGE THAN TO A NATIONAL BUILDER WHO'S ONLY GONNA COST US SERVICES. SO I'M VERY ENCOURAG ABOUT 200 JOBS, 200 NEW JOBS RIGHT HERE IN WARREN COUNTY. MM-HMM. . UM, SO, UH, YES, I SAY LIKE RUSH MARK TOO FIGURED BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE FIRE SUPPRESSION AND UH, THE BALL DRIVES. I MEAN, THAT'LL BE ANOTHER MONTHLY FEE. GET A LARGE METER OF FEE. SO YEAH, IT'LL BE BE SEVERAL FEES. WE'LL GET OUT OF THAT. WE LOVE DOUBLE WE LOVE HEARING THAT . I MEAN, OF COURSE WE'RE IN BRU. WHAT ALL RIGHT. DOES IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH AT, DO WE, JOE, DO WE NEED TO, WE WOULD, WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR LEGAL, BUT IF IT'S OKAY, WE'LL DO IT OCTOBER. IF IT'S NOT READY THEN WE DO IT IN NOVEMBER AS A BUSINESS ITEM. AS A BUSINESS ITEM. CORRECT. AND I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH COUNSEL NEXT TUESDAY WHEN GEORGE RETURNS. OKAY. AS TO A TIME ESTIMATE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO THIS WRONG. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. AND, AND AS I, YOU INTIMATED OR YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU GOT TWO MORE THINGS. TWO MORE THINGS LIKE THIS, THIS, THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING UP. WOULD WE, WILL, WILL THEY MORE THAN LIKELY BE ON OUR NOVEMBER WORK SESSION? CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT FOLKS. UM, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS, THE PROPOSED DATE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW THAT WE DISCUSSED IT LAST MONTH'S WORK SESSION. THEN, UM, AT OUR COUNCIL MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, WE HAD SOME INPUT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT SOME OF YOU ALL HAVE GOTTEN FEEDBACK OR INPUT FROM CITIZENS SINCE THAT TIME. SO REALLY, UM, LEGAL NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT [01:35:01] WE WANT IN THIS ORDINANCE OR WHAT WE NEED, WHAT WE ARE PLANNING OR WHAT, WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING IN IT. UM, SOME OF THE, THE, THE, THE, WHAT WE WANNA DISCUSS TONIGHT IS THE ORDINANCES FROM QUANTICO, THE ONE THAT WE WERE, THAT, UH, WE RECEIVED BEFORE. AND OF COURSE IT'S ALSO IN HERE. UM, ANY WANT TO DIVERGE FROM ANY OF THAT? IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH WHAT WAS IN THERE? I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA DRAFT SOMETHING FROM US THE LAST TIME WE LEFT HERE. WE ALL GAVE OUR INPUT AND ASKED FOR SOMETHING TO BE DRY. WELL, IT, IT WAS, IT, IT DIDN'T COME ACROSS THAT WAY. AND SO WELL I WAS TOLD THAT WE NEED, THEY NEEDED MORE DIRECTION. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BACK ON THIS AGENDA TONIGHT. SO EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH WHAT IT SAYS IN QUANT? NO, I THINK I MADE IT VERY CLEAR. I THINK IT WAS COUNCILMAN WOOD SECONDED IT THAT I WANTED TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE IT AN SUP ITEM. WELL THAT'S WHY IT'S BACK ON HERE TOO, IS BECAUSE AT THE COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, UM, THAT WAS SOME OF THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC IS REALLY, I, BEFORE THAT MEETING WE DISCUSSED AT A WORK SESSION THAT WE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WE COULD CHANGE LEGALLY TO NOT GET IN TROUBLE WITH OUR ZONING ORDINANCES TO MAKE THEM AN SUP. SO EVERY SINGLE ONE COMES BEFORE COUNCIL AND GEORGE WAS HERE FOR THAT MEETING. IT WAS A WORK SESSION PRIOR TO THE PEOPLE SPEAKING AT SEPTEMBER SAYING WE HADN'T DONE ANYTHING. WELL, AND I WONDER, WELL, NOT TO DIVERGE TOO MUCH, BUT I JUST WONDER IF, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA BE READY TONIGHT 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT. RIGHT. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO PLACE A MORATORIUM WHEN THE GATE SHOPS UNTIL OUR POLICY IS COMPLETE? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT. WELL, I'M NOT LEGAL. SORRY, AMANDA. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I THOUGHT THEY TOLD US BEFORE THAT UNLESS WE HAD SOMETHING IN PLACE BECAUSE THEY'RE A BY RIGHT USE. RIGHT. OKAY. WHICH I'M GONNA BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT WITH EVERYBODY, THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANTED THIS ON HERE IS BECAUSE WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR WITH EVERYONE THAT IT WHAT WE WANTED AND WHAT WE NEEDED AND WHAT WE WANTED TO HAVE, WE DO NOT WANT THEM TO BE BY RIGHT. YEARS. UM, WE NOW HAVE, WE, WE UNFORTUNATELY IN THE LAST MONTH HAVE SOME EMPTY BUILDINGS IN FRONT ROYAL AGAIN. AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET SOMETHING IN PLACE BECAUSE, AND SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE OTHER BUILDINGS TAKE OVER. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION, CAN THEY WORK WITH LEGAL LIKE TO COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE AMENDMENT? YES. AND THEN YOU AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WORK WITH BEFORE THIS NEEDS TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION. RIGHT. WE IN A CONSENSUS HOLD. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT. I VERY, VERY VIVIDLY REMEMBER VERBATIM SAYING THAT THIS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING I STAND FOR POLITICALLY AND IN FREE MARKET BY RESTRICTING BUSINESSES AND THEIR RIGHTS WITH THEIR OWN BUILDINGS. BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT'S GONE TOO FAR. AND THE THE PROBLEM IS WITH IT BEING BY RIGHT. AND THE WAY THAT THE LANGUAGE IS VERY VAGUE. YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT WE HAD ONE COMING TO DOWNTOWN AND IT WAS GONNA BE LIKE A DELI AND A VAPE SHOP. LIKE, I MEAN, I JUST, SO YEAH. I WANT TO, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE BY. RIGHT. AND WHATEVER LEGAL AND PC AND WHOEVER ELSE NEEDS TO DO, IF WE HAVE A CONSENSUS FOR THAT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. WELL, WHATEVER, WHATEVER IS DONE, IF YOU READ, IF YOU READ THE QUANTA ONE THAT HAS TEETH MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT, IT HAS TO HAVE TEETH AND UH, OTHERWISE RIGHT. IT'S, UH, BUT WHAT NEEDS TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION IS, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR YOU. PLANNING COMMISSION CAN DRAFT THE ORDINANCE. IF YOU SAY YOU WANT PLANNING COMMISSION TO TAKE THIS UP, STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION CAN DRAFT IT. OKAY. I JUST, WE JUST NEED THAT DIRECTION. RIGHT. I THINK THE DIRECTION'S HERE, I, I REALLY THOUGHT THE DIRECTION WAS IN SEPTEMBER, BUT MAYBE NOT. IT'S CLEAR. ALL I'M SAYING IS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. I, I HOPE THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT TAKES SIX MONTHS. YES. GO BACK TO, I MEAN WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION EARLY ON. I DON'T KNOW, SPRINGTIME, THE, THE ONE GOLDEN NUGGET THERE IS PROHIBIT 'EM IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT. SO WE DON'T HAVE A GLARING FLASHING LIGHT DOWN ON MAIN STREET, WHETHER THEY'RE CALLING ADELA AND THEY HAVE A VAPE CHOP OR WHATEVER. BUT, BUT THERE'S ALSO HISTORIC LAND OUT BY THE DOUBLE BRIDGES. LIKE THERE'S SOME RANDOM PIECES OF ZONING AND THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH LAUREN. YEAH. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DOING IT IN CERTAIN AREAS, ONLY THERE WAS WELL, I JUST SAYING UNTIL WE REDO THE ZONING TO, TO THE MAYORS POINT. YEAH. TO YOUR POINT, WE DON'T [01:40:01] WANT ONE POPPING UP DOWNTOWN. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'D BE THE LAST, I DON'T WANT MORE POPPING UP ANYWHERE. WELL, YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU. BUT WE ALL SAID YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YOU'RE RIGHT. WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT WE DO SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY TO PROHIBIT THEM THERE AND THEN YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE TO CONTROL THEM. WELL WE LEGALLY PUT 'EM MORE TOWARD HIM. LAW. I DON'T THINK WE CAN, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHY NO, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT, THAT THAT, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I ADDED THIS BACK TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE WASN'T, UM, PEOPLE DIDN'T THINK THEY HAD A CLEAR DIRECTION. I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CLEAR DIRECTION AND THAT I FELT LIKE EVERYBODY IS GOING IN THE SAME, THIS COUNCIL UMS INPUT IS THAT WE WANT IT TO HAVE TEETH. UM, I THINK THAT AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH COUNCIL. IT'S GONNA TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, IT WOULD HAVE TWO PLAN. IT WOULD'VE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND TWO DIFFERENT BODIES THAT WOULD HAVE TO PROVE IT. SO THERE, THERE WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT JUST POPS UP OVERNIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM OUR CITIZENS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR FRUSTRATION. SO LEGAL JOE, LAUREN, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED FROM US JOE? WE WOULD NEED A RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNSEL, A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD BE ON OCTOBER 28TH TO SEND THIS ITEM BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO TAKE UP. OKAY. CAN I JUST ALSO SAY THAT I GET THAT WE NEED THE RESOLUTION, BUT CAN PEOPLE, PEOPLE COULD START WORKING ON IT NOW, RIGHT? LIKE I, I, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, KIND OF, WE KIND OF THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY GONNA BE HAPPENING SO IN A MONTH AGO. SO SOONER WE GOT SOMETHING, WE SEND THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN BOOM, THEY'VE GOT SOMETHING IN THEIR HANDS TO START LOOKING AT THAT. GOOD. BUT I LIKE, I THINK WE'RE DOUBLING UP TO MAKE SURE WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL WOOD SAY AS WELL. THE SHORT PICTURE AS WELL. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING ORDINANCE. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEGALITIES, BUT IF WE COULD JUST BE BANNED FROM THE IMPORTANT THING TO GIVE IT TO YOU IS ONE, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS GONNA BE THE DEFINITION. HOW DO WE DEFINE THESE? SO THAT'S THE FIRST PART. AND THEN THE ME, THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ACT, IS IT GONNA BE A THOUSAND FEET FROM A CHURCH OR A SCHOOL? IS IT GONNA BE 2000 FEET? IS DETERMINING ONE THE APPROPRIATE DISTANCE? AND THEN CAN WE MAKE IT SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE ENTRANCE FLOOR DOORS AND, AND IN THE, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO PLAY WITH IT. THAT'S WHERE PLANNING COMMISSION'S GONNA HAVE TO DIG INTO THE TEXT. AND I DON'T KNOW, DID DID GEORGE DO ANY WORK ON IT AT ALL? DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T THINK SO. YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO, SO THE OTHER THING IS, UM, WELL I, I KNOW SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED TO ME LIKE MAYBE SAYING IT HAS TO BE LIKE IN A, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR STRIP MALLS OR ONE OF OUR COMMERCIAL AREAS ALREADY. BUT REALLY IF WE, IF WE CAN MAKE IT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WE, WE DECIDE BE A CASE, I MEAN BE A CASE. WE'RE LITERALLY DECIDING HOW PEOPLE CAN RENT THEIR HOUSES SHORT TERM. WHY CAN'T WE DECIDE? I MEAN, COMMERCIAL USE FOR OUR MOST PRECIOUS REAL ESTATE. THANK YOU. AND YOU KNOW, SINCE I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT IS MY, MY THING TELL TOLD ME 80 45 WHAT WOMAN IS TELLING YOU TO COME BACK. I WAS JUST SAYING I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS MOVING FOR A LONG TIME AND I I FEEL LIKE THIS COUNCIL READY AND HOPEFULLY PLANNING COMMISSION, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, I REALLY JUST HOPE THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT TAKES MONTHS FOR IT TO GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE BECAUSE WE ARE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN WHAT WELL TODAY WAS, TODAY IS THE DEADLINE. I MEAN I CAN, I CAN GET IT READY FOR NOVEMBER. YEAH. BUT IF IT GOES TO THEIR WORK SESSION, RIGHT. UM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT PROBABLY TILL DECEMBER, JANUARY PROBABLY AT THE SOONEST. PROBABLY JUST BE AWARE OF THAT. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW NO SENSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCEDURES. NO. WE CAN JUST HOPE AND PRAY THEY DON'T TAKE GET ANOTHER BUILDING IN TOWN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE ALL GOOD. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE WE'RE GOING AND, AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR DIRECTION WHAT WE WANT OR AT LEAST WHAT WE WANT PEOPLE TO, TO CONSIDER IT IN COMMISSION. HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T GET STALLED ANYWHERE. UM, ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT IS LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING ITEMS. SO WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, UH, BUT WE JUST WANNA SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO ADD. JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ARE SENDING OVER IS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE INCREASE IN SOLID WASTE TIPPING FEES. AND QUITE FRANKLY, WITH ALL THE CONVERSATION THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THE INCREASE INCONTRACT FEES, THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE. UM, VAPE SHOP WAS ON OUR LIST. [01:45:01] I, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, I MEAN I GUESS WHAT WE COULD DO IS SHARE WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING OR WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING OUR PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER. IT MIGHT BE MORE OF JUST SO WE'RE JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE, WHAT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. UM, TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE WHEN JOSH, YOU'RE GONNA BE AT THE MEETING WITH ME. SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT UPDATE. UM, AND THEN THE REGIONAL SHOOTING RANGE FACILITY, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO, I'M JUST THINKING WE MIGHT WANNA WAIT FOR THE COUNTY TO DECIDE WHERE THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD. UM, YEAH. UM, SO I KNOW THAT, YEAH, WHEN YOU SAY, WHEN YOU SAY, WAIT, I MEAN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE A SHOOTING RANGE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE IMPROVEMENTS. I'M THINKING THEY WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN OUT IN THE SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY ARE UPSET ABOUT IT. OH, ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK WE'VE SEEN THE, OR AT LEAST I RECENTLY SAW SOMETHING ON, RIGHT. THE, THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY IS, IS THAT IT IS A CONVERSATION I THINK THE TOWN AND COUNTY SHOULD HAVE AND LOOK AT. I GUESS WHAT I'M THINKING IS THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS THINKING THAT THE TOWN SHOULD PROVIDE THIS. UM, SO JOE, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? RIGHT. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY OUR GUN RANGE IS PRIMITIVE TO ST. LOUIS. UH, IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE, UM, THE COUNTY AS WELL RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S WHY I, I THINK IT'S A BENEFIT TO FACILITATE A CONVERSATION, BUT ALSO WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT LANDFILL PROJECT WITHOUT US PARTICIPATING AT ALL. SO IF THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE, YEAH, I THINK THE CONVERSATION THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS LIKE A FUTURE, RIGHT? LIKE IF THEY'RE IN THE FUTURE WITH THE TOWN AND COUNTY, LIKE TO GO TOGETHER AND I BELIEVE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INDOOR FACILITY. STORM IS AN INDOOR YEAH. PER THE PERFECT PICTURE WOULD BE AN INDOOR. UM, I THINK SO. I MEAN WE CAN STILL LEAVE IT ON THERE AND ASK, YOU KNOW, BUT I ALMOST KIND OF FEEL LIKE IT'S A, IT'S ALMOST KIND OF A SILLY QUESTION. LIKE, WOULD Y'ALL WANNA PARTNER TOGETHER FOR AN INDOOR, WHY WOULD THEY SAY NO? LIKE WELL IT'S THEIR, IT'S THEIR ISSUE THOUGH RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO LIKE I FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO APPROACH US IF THEY'RE INTERESTED. THEY KNOW, THEY KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING. THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THEIR OPTIONS. SO I CAN LIKE LET THEM APPROACH US. I GOT A GRANT FOR IT. THEY HAVE THE MONEY FOR THIS. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE NEEDING FUNDING OR NEEDING LAND. THEY HAVE THE LAND, THEY GOT THE MONEY SO WELL, YOU KNOW, NO ONE WANTS A SHOOTING RANGE NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL OR I MEAN LIKE FOLKS THAT LIVE UP ON THESE 17TH STREET UP THAT WAY THEY CAN HEAR IT WHEN I WAS KNOCKING ON DOORS. UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, RIGHT? SO, SO IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN IF YOU GO DOWN TO CLARK BROTHERS DOWN IN UH, WARRENTON, OH YEAH. THAT'S AN INDUSTRIAL SECTION THERE. YOU'RE SHOOTING INTO A A BUR THAT HILL. WELL, THERE, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WHETHER THEY RIGHT. WANT TO SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER OR HELP IN ON. AND IT COULD BE JUST THE INITIAL LIKE, DO WE WANNA LOOK AT IT? BECAUSE I THINK JOE, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD JOE SAID AND OTHERS, OUR SITUATION COULD RAPIDLY CHANGE WHEN WE DO THE EAST WEST CONNECT. LIKE WE WON'T HAVE THAT SPACE ANY LONGER BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE BE A ROAD GOING THROUGH THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHEN THAT HAPPENS. SO OUR FUTURE IS OUR, OUR FUTURE RANGE FACILITY IS GONNA, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MAY NEED AN INDOOR FACILITY TOO. SO PARTNERING WITH THEM MIGHT BE THE THING TO DO. I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING WE CAN POP UP HERE IN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR. AND THEY'RE, THEY SEEM TO BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIRS BEING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO, WELL IT'S SOONER. YEP. SO WE CAN BRING IT UP. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I WON'T BE BACK TOGE WE WON'T BE BACK TOGETHER WITH THIS GROUP AGAIN UNTIL, UM, NEXT YEAR. YEAH, WELL NOVEMBER, I'M SAYING THIS GROUP RIGHT HERE. OH, I MEANT JUST, SHE MEANT, YEAH, SHE SCARED ME. I WAS LIKE, WHAT? UH, SO, BUT SINCE JOSH AND I'LL BE THE ONES THERE AT THAT MEETING, UM, IF THE QUESTION COMES UP, IS THE TOWN WILLING TO, TO LET PEOPLE USE OUR FACILITY RIGHT NOW, I'M ASSUMING THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS NOT IN THE CURRENT SITUATION THAT WE HAVE. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT, WE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TO HAVE [01:50:01] THAT MANY MORE, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THAT IS CORRECT. ASSESSMENT, RIGHT. WEIGH IN IF YOU WANNA WEIGH YEAH. BRIAN, IS THAT YOU GOT IT? IS THAT IT? OKAY, SO I'M JUST SAYING I WAS LOOKING AT BRIAN FOR . I WAS JUST SAYING IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF THAT CONVERSATION COMES UP, WOULD YOU ALL BE WILLING TO LET US RIGHT NOW I THINK OUR ANSWER'S GONNA HAVE TO BE, WE, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UM, SMOKE IT, IT WOULDN'T BE EFFICIENT IN RIGHT THERE IN THAT SETTING. BUT WE WANNA ENTERTAIN IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN ENTERTAINING AN INDOOR FACILITY IN THE FUTURE. CORRECT. I MEAN THIS IS A LONG RANGE GOAL. THIS WAS A LONG RANGE GOAL WHEN I WAS HERE THE FIRST TIME AND I PUT IT BACK ON THE RADAR FOR THIS. AND THAT'S WHY WHEN I HEARD THE COUNTY WAS LOOKING AT IT, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW FAR THEY WERE ALONG IS WHEN I APPROACHED CHERYL COLORS AND OVER BE INTEREST IN TOWN, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE STILL PROBABLY FIVE OR 10 YEARS AWAY. BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE NEED TO START PUTTING SOME MONEY TOWARDS. I CAN GET YOU SOME NUMBERS ON AN END ONE. OKAY. WELL YOU DO THAT THEY MIGHT WANT. SO, UM, AS FAR AS OTHER ITEMS FOR THE LIAISON COMMITTEE, I WANNA FLOAT SOMETHING OUT HERE TO YOU ALL. UM, EVEN IN TALKING WITH SOME OF THE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBERS AND SUCH I THIS TRIP, THE SUB THIS TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS BORN OUT OF LIKE INTEREST AND, AND QUESTIONS AND US WORKING TOGETHER BECAUSE RECOGNIZING THAT WE SOMETIMES HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER ON ISSUES. I I, I'VE BEEN APPROACHED AND PEOPLE SUGGESTED IT, AND I'VE THOUGHT THIS FOR A LONG TIME, IN FACT WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW YEARS AGO, IS THAT THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE PEOPLE TALKING AMONGST THE TOWN COUNCIL AND THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHEN MAJOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS ARE COMING IN AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THE SCHOOLS. UM, I KNOW THAT A FEW YEARS AGO THEY, WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT AND THE COUNTY HAD LIKE A NUMBER THAT THEY GIVE TO, UM, DEVELOPERS THAT'S LIKE A, A BUDGET NUMBER THAT SAYS TAKE THIS AMOUNT TIMES THIS. AND I KNOW AT THAT TIME SOMEBODY ON THE COUNTY SAID THOSE NUMBERS WERE LIKE 10 YEARS OLD. THEY'RE EVEN OLDER NOW. YEAH. AND THEY'RE EVEN OLDER NOW. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY'S REALLY LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WHEN WE'VE HAD, UM, ZONING APPLICATIONS OR DEVELOPERS COME IN, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT WHEN THEY LOOK AT PROFFERS THAT THEY, THAT IT DOESN'T RELATE THAT THE TOWN, THEY, THEY RECOGNIZE THE TOWN HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY IN TO TERMS OF FUNDING THE SCHOOLS, WHICH IS TRUE. WE DON'T, THE TOWN GOVERNMENT DOES NOT. HOWEVER, EVERY TOWN CITIZEN IS A COUNTY CITIZEN AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. SO I THINK THAT JUST LIKE THIS TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE, MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF A COUNCIL MEMBER AND A STAFF AND, AND A, A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBER AND A STAFF AND A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER AND A STAFF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE, LIKE THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE ONE THAT GOES TOGETHER AND TALKS ABOUT IMPACTS. MANY TIMES WE'VE BEEN CRITICIZED THIS, THIS COUNCIL OVER THE YEARS ABOUT MAKING DECISIONS THAT REALLY IMPACT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TOO. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT HAVING GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND, AND OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS. AND I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE'RE ALL IMPACTED. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LIKE WINCHESTER AND FREDERICK COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WINCHESTER HAS THEIR OWN SCHOOL SYSTEM AND FREDERICK COUNTY HAS THEIR OWN YEAH. WE CAN'T REFUSE TO TAKE ACTION ON THESE THINGS. RIGHT. JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T AFFECT, JUST BECAUSE THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE TO STAY OVER THE SCHOOLS. LIKE WE CAN'T NOT TAKE ACTION ON THINGS. RIGHT. NO, I'M HAVING CONVERSATIONS. I THINK THE PLACE TO DO THAT WOULD BE THE SCHOOL BOARD WOULD HAVE A PLACE ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE BECAUSE EVERY DEVELOPER THAT'S COME BEFORE THE TOWN HAS TO MY KNOWLEDGE, COME TO THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING EVERY LANDOWNER, EVERY DEVELOPER. I MEAN, BACK WHEN THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT ON NANDO SHORES ROAD, UH, THIS, THEIR PROPERTY, THEY, THEM AND THEIR LEGAL TEAM CAME TO EVERY TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, I JUST DON'T SEE IT ALL AS A TRANSPORTATION ISSUE. I, I MEAN, I THINK IT IS, I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER FACET OF, BUT THAT'S AN IMPACT. I DON'T KNOW. IT IS AN IMPACT. I'LL DEFER TO LEGAL. I KNOW SETTING UP THAT SUBCOMMITTEE WAS DIFFICULT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD CALL ANOTHER SUBCOMMITTEE. WELL, WE COULDN'T SET IT UP BY OURSELVES. YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A TRANSPORTATION. THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO DO A RESOLUTION. WE WOULD'VE TO DO ONE IN THE SCHOOL BOARD WOULD HAVE TO DO ONE. AND HERE'S THE THING. WE COULD BRING IT UP AT THE LIAISON MEETING AND THEY MAY SAY WE'RE NOT INTERESTED AT ALL. YEAH, NO, MY POINT WAS, I DON'T THINK YOU [01:55:01] COULD CALL IT LIKE AN IMPACT SUBCOMMITTEE BECAUSE THEN THAT OPENS US UP FOR LITIGATION FOR IMPACT STUDIES. RIGHT. SO MY, MY THING WAS MORE OF A LEGALITY ON, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? I JUST WAS THINKING A MORE FORMAL WAY TO, TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND COMMUNICATE RATHER THAN ONE PERSON CALLING SOMEBODY ONE PERSON, CALLING SOMEBODY. AND JUST REALLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S ABOUT OUR, THE FUTURE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT, UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER PIECE. AND LIKE I SAID, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN THE TOWN, AND AS THE LAST GROUP MENTIONED THAT, I DON'T KNOW, THEY MADE SOME COMMENT ABOUT LIKE, THIS IS A NET POSITIVE FOR US BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE HAVE TO, UH, REALLY, UM, PROVIDE ANYTHING FOR THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THE TOWN, BUT THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT'S COMING. AND THEN THE SCHOOLS ARE IMPACTED BY, YOU KNOW, 1300 HOMES THAT COULD BE BUILT BY. RIGHT. IF 0.5 CHILDREN ARE, IS WHAT THE NUMBER WE GET THAT'S, THAT'S 650 KIDS. THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER SCHOOL. SO I DO THINK THAT, I JUST THINK IT'S A CONVERSATION. SO YOU WANNA ADD IT TO THE LIAISON COMMITTEE? YEP. THAT'S ALL JUST TO SEE I SUPPORT, THEY WANNA DO THAT IF THEY ARE INTERESTED. I SUPPORT ADDING IT. I, I SUPPORT YOU ADDING IT. BUT I THINK IT'S THEIR PROBLEM. IT'S BEEN THEIR PROBLEM. THEY DON'T LOOK AT THEIR BUY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT. THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING UP HOUSES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, LOTS IN TOWN, AND THEN THEY WANT TO PAINT US AS THE BAD GUYS WHEN WE APPROVE 102 HOUSES INSTEAD OF 82 OUNCES. ALL YOU'RE OVERPOWERING. THE SCHOOLS WE'RE NOT OVERPOWERING THE SCHOOLS. THEIR UNBRIDLED DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS AND THEY'VE IGNORED IT. THEY'VE NEEDED A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEY'RE NOT DISCUSSING IT, BUT THEN THEY PAINT US AS A VILLAIN. OR YOU'RE LETTING 104 HOUSES IN, YOU'RE OVERWHELMING OUR SCHOOL RUN TO YOUR POINT, THEY RUN THE CALCULATIONS. I MEAN IT'S 35, IT'S LIKE 35 MILLION OR NO, 20. IT WAS 25 TO 30 MILLION FOR A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. YEAH. THE LAST, I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT THE COUNTY TOLD US THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, JOE REMEMBERS THAT YOU WERE THERE AS WELL. UM, THE PERSON'S NO LONGER WITH THE COUNTY, BUT THEY SAID THAT THOSE NUMBERS THAT THEY WERE USING AND THE NUMBERS THEY WERE GIVEN, THE DEVELOPERS WERE 10 YEARS OLD. AND SO THEY WERE LOOKING AT MAYBE AN ELEMENTARY, I'M JUST MAKING THIS NOT MAKING UP, BUT LIKE 20 MILLION WHEN ACTUALLY IT WAS GONNA BE 32 MILLION. THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT PROPERS. I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU DIDN'T TAKE INTO ENGINEERING. YEAH. YEAH. OPENING UP COMMUNICATION IS REALLY, ALL I'M LOOKING AT HERE IS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT WE'RE ALL NOT OUR OWN SEPARATE ENTITY. SO, BUT IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH ADDING IT? IF THEY SAY NO, NOT SEND AN INVITATION. YEAH, THAT'S IT. BECAUSE WE TALK WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WITH THE SCHOOL, SO, ALL RIGHT. SO WE CAN HAVE THAT. ANYBODY WANT? YES. WHAT ARE WE CALLING? THAT'S WHAT I DID. TOWN, TOWN COUNTY SCHOOL COLLABORATION. YEAH. AND JUST, AND WE CAN SAY, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN ? THE THING IS, I JUST STILL THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A LEGAL ISSUE. IF GEORGE WAS HERE, I THINK HE WOULD SAY NO, BECAUSE THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT IN THIS SCHOOL COLLABORATION. SO I THINK THE LEGAL ASPECT OF IT IS GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME OTHER TYPE OF COMMUNICATIVE COMMITTEE. WELL, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT COLLABORATING WITH THE SCHOOLS. WE DON'T FUND THE SCHOOLS. WE HAVE NO SAY WE HAVE NO VOTE. WE HAVE, BUT THAT WOULD BE AS US AS INDEPENDENT CITIZENS, WE, WE CAN BRING IT UP AND IF THE LEGAL SAYS ON BOTH PARTS NO, WE CAN, I'M JUST SAYING FOR THAT NAME. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING YOU'RE GONNA STRUGGLE WITH. JUST FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES, AT OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, THERE IS A MEMBER OF THE, UM, SUPERINTENDENT'S OFFICE. THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE PRESENT. THEY DO DISCUSS, UH, WHEN WE DISCUSS SUBMITTED PLANS OR SUBMITTED PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY WITH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND REZONINGS, THEY HAVE BEEN ATTENDING AT LEAST SINCE THIS NEW ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT HAS BEEN HIRED. SO THE LINES OF COMMUNICATION HAVE BEEN OPENED. NOW, STAFF IS, BECAUSE HE'S NEW, WE'VE ALSO BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THE COUNTY AND AND PLANNING STAFF THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN MOU IN PLACE. THE COUNTY IS THE ONE THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THOSE NUMBERS UPDATED. AND I, WE CAN'T GIVE DEVELOPERS THAT COME INTO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ANYTHING BUT WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE. SO THAT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED AND, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OVER THERE IS STARTING TO WORK ON IT. I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, BUT TWO OR THREE YEARS OF ASKING FOR THOSE UPDATED NUMBERS, IT'S SO, BUT I'M GLAD THAT SOMEBODY WE HAVE BEEN HAVING THAT MEETING. UM, [02:00:01] WELL, WE'LL BRING IT UP AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY AND IF, IF IT'S, WE CAN'T DO IT, WE CAN'T DO IT, I JUST, I WANT PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE WANNA WORK TOGETHER. UH, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE? WELL, YOU CAN JUST SAY COMMUNICATION INSTEAD OF COLLABORATION THEN IF, IF THAT'S A, I VIEW COLLABORATION AS JUST WORKING TOGETHER, BUT IF IT HAS A LEGAL IMPLICATION OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEN THEN IT DOES. BUT I SAY COMMUNICATION THEN. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE Y'ALL WANT ON THE LIAISON MEETING? I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, A COUNTY ORDINANCE ON WATER USE. OH NO, I, IN THE TOWN? NO, WAIT, I KNOW YOU WERE SAYING LIKE HOW DOES IT IMPACT? YEAH, I KNOW WHAT I REMEMBER IT WAS THE CORRIDOR, LIKE YOU HAD BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT WE, THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN WE'RE IN EMERGENCY WATER. YEAH. AND YOU CAN GO IN BLUERIDGE SHADOWS AND WASH YOUR CAR TIMES A DAY, RIGHT? YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. GLENN, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TAKING IT TO LIAISON, BUT THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE TO START. YEAH, I'M PRETTY SURE WE TALKED ABOUT TAKING LIAISON. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO TINA, YOU'RE GONNA ASK, WHAT DO WE TITLE AT? I THINK ELABORATIVE WATER. I CAN DO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. BUT WE CAN'T ENFORCE OUR ORDINANCES IN THE COUNTY, BUT WE SUPPLY THE COUNTY WATER. RIGHT. BUT WE NEED SOMEBODY, WE CAN'T WASH OUR CARS AND WATER OUR VEGETABLE. THEY CAN, YEAH. IT'S SOMETHING WRONG. YEAH. IF THEY'RE USING OUR WATER, THEY SHOULD. WELL, EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT. HOW TO GET THAT, HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I DON'T KNOW. PROBABLY JUST MAKE THE WARES WHERE OUT OF TOWN USERS ARE, WE CAN'T, THAT'S, WE CAN'T ENFORCE. SO SOMEWHERE WE'LL NEED TO GET, TO GET THE COUNTY TO COLLABORATE WITH US AND PUT SOMETHING IN THEIR, IN THEIR CODE. IF YOU ARE ON MUNICIPAL WATER, ASK THEM TO EMERGENCY IS CITIZENS RESPECT THOSE SAME YES. SAME GUIDELINES? SHOULDN'T BE, IT'S NOT, WE JUST CAN'T ENFORCE THAT. WE HAVE TO ASK THEM TO. WELL, I'M THERE. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? AND THE COUNTY HADN'T SENT US ANYTHING YET, BUT, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THEY HAD ON THE JULY ONE ARE DONE. I MEAN, LIKE, THERE'S LIKE THE HEALTHCARE STUFF. I'LL SEND THIS OUT TOMORROW. THAT'S THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO ASK. I KNEW THERE WAS ANOTHER, THE HEALTHCARE RESOLUTION IN TALKING WITH THE COUNTY, THEY PASSED RESOLUTION. WE PASSED RESOLUTION. THEY WANTED TO. WHAT WE WANNA DO, UM, WHEN I TALK TO THE BOARD CHAIR IS TO JUST, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? LIKE WHAT SHOULD WE BE? WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANNA DO FROM OUR STANDPOINT, THEIR STANDPOINT? IS IT SOMETHING WE WANNA DO A, YOU KNOW, A, A PRESS RELEASE OUT TO SAY WE WELCOME ANY HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS THAT WANNA BE INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, ARE INTERESTED. ARE YOU ADDING THIS TO I THAT'S, UH, PUT IT ON THERE BECAUSE IF IF THE COUNTY HASN'T, I KNOW THAT'S, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE JUST, I THINK IT'S BEEN COVERED IN THE PRESS. JUST NOT AS A JOINT PRESS RELEASE. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS BASICALLY, UM, IN THE PRESS. YEAH. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE NEXT STEPS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF COPN, YOU KNOW THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE READY TO GO INTO CLOSE. IF ANYBODY, UM, CAN RAISE THIS IN MAD MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL COULD BE IN A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.271 AND 2 2 7 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR FOLLOWING PURPOSES. ONE, PURSUANT TO 2.271 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE DEMOTION, SALARY DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY. MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE TOWN ATTORNEY BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, LOCAL BOARD OF BUILDING CODE APPEALS FRONT, ROYAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY. AND PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A SEVEN IN THE CODE OF VIRGINIA CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND BRIEFING BY STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR PROBABLE LITIGATION OR SUCH, CONSULTATION OR BRIEFING IN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING POSTURE OF THE PUBLIC BODY. MORE SPECIFICALLY, COUNTERPART ROYAL VERSUS FRONT ROYAL LIMITED PARTNERSHIP SERVICE. OKAY. MS. MAYOR ? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCIL RAPORT? YES. COUNCIL? YES. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE IN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.