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PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION[Planning and Zoning Work Session on October 2, 2024.]
WILL COME TO ORDER.UM, CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN NER.
AND COMMISSIONER MARRAZZO WAS OUT THIS EVENING.
DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? YES, WE DO.
UM, YOU INTRODUCED, UH, COMMISSIONER BROOKS.
I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, WELCOME MR. BROOKS TO LIEUTENANT BROOK.
PARDON ME, LIEUTENANT BROOKS TO HIS FIRST MEETING AND, UH, UH, OF THE FRONT ROYAL PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A WORD OR TWO ABOUT YOURSELF.
WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR FEW YEARS.
AND I'M HAPPY TO BE PART OF THE, UH, TEAM HERE.
WELL, WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU WELCOME A BOARD.
UH, LAUREN, YOU HAD SAID THERE WERE SOME HOUSEKEEPING THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.
WE WANNA JUST ADDRESS A COUPLE THINGS SINCE WE DO HAVE, OH, JOHN SAID, RIGHT? YEAH.
SOME NEW MEMBERS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION JUST TO REUNITE A FEW THINGS.
UH, PRIMARY ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO DETERMINE IF THE USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICATIONS ON THE DISTRICTS.
AND IF THE PROJECTS ALIGNS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, TRY TO USE THOSE TWO BASIS FOR YOUR DETERMINATION ON VOTES.
UH, ALSO WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, REMEMBER REFRAIN, REFRAIN FROM USING YOUR CELL PHONES THERE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING, SO WE'RE ASKING YOU, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM USING OR EVEN HAVING YOUR CELL PHONES UP FRONT.
UM, ALSO ON THE, UH, ON THE VOTES, UH, PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL VOTE, UH, FOR, FOR THE BUSINESS ITEMS THAT YOU DO HAVE, UH, MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR FOR YOU.
BEEN IN THE WORK SESSIONS, JOHN.
UH, YES, WE WOULD'VE PREFERRED THAT.
DO A ROLL CALL, VOTE ON THOSE.
UH, AND ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION, UH, TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATIONS.
THERE HAS TO BE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, EVEN IN THE WORK SESSION FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.
AND THAT NEEDS TO BE SECOND TO OPEN UP DISCUSSION IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
STANDARD, UH, WHEN YOU GO, RIGHT.
JUST SO WHEN YOU GO OVER TO STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR DISCUSSION PART, UH, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR, A MOTION NEEDS TO BE ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND TO OPEN UP DISCUSSION.
NOW, THAT MOTION CAN BE AMENDED IF YOU CHOOSE TO, OR YOU CAN PLACE CONDITIONS ON THE MOTION SO YOU CAN AMEND THE MOTION ONCE, ONCE YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, IT CAN BE AMENDED.
SO JUST WANT A LITTLE, FEW HOUSEKEEPING RULE, UH, NOTICES.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS.
UM, SO WE WILL DO PRESENTATIONS AT THE WORK SESSION FOR YOU.
WE WILL DO PRESENTATIONS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SOME OF THAT'S GONNA BE REPEATED, BUT SINCE IT'S FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE WILL, IS THAT THE SAME INFORMATION YOU ARE SHOWING HERE AT THE WORK SESSION THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, WILL BE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ALSO.
'CAUSE THE PUBLIC DOES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FOR THESE APPLICATIONS.
UH, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
UH, I'LL TRY NOT TO REPEAT MYSELF TOO MANY TIMES DURING THE PRESENTATION TO SUM THIS, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC.
AS IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THESE.
SO TONIGHT, DURING THESE WORK SESSIONS, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE, UH, GO RIGHT UP.
FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, UH, PART OF THE PROCESS.
'CAUSE, UH, OF THE THREE OF YOU HERE TONIGHT, UH, UH, LET, UH, FOR THE LATEST THREE THAT'S JOINED THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU HAVEN'T WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TRAINING, SO I JUST FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS, INTERRUPT.
I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN THESE PROCESSES ON THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS AND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS AS WE GO ALONG.
SO, JUST WANNA FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND INTERRUPT IF YOU NEED TO.
UH, IT'S BEST TO ASK THE QUESTIONS HERE IF YOU NEED TO ASK THE QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT.
UH, THOSE ARE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PART.
SO IF YOU MAKE, IF YOU HAVE NOTES THAT YOU WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT, THAT IS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PART, ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, THAT STAFF CANNOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THOSE APPLICATIONS, UH, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU MAKE A NOTE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, OR YOU CAN EVEN PREPARE YOUR QUESTIONS AND SEND THEM TO STAFF.
AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN TALK TO THE APPLICANT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AND EVEN PUT IT IN THE STAFF REPORT TO JUST, JUST TRY TO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE CAN, UH, START WITH THE WORK SESSION BUSINESS IF YOU'D LIKE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOHN? I'M SAYING WE HAVE THREE, THREE MEMBERS WHO HAVE NOT HAD THE TRAINING, SO DON'T, DON'T BE THE LEAST BIT SHY
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ABOUT ASKING JOHN A QUESTION OR SAYING WELL BACK OUT.I DIDN'T GET THAT BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU DIDN'T GET IT, PROBABLY SOMEBODY ELSE DIDN'T GET IT EITHER.
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 2 4 0 0 5 2 2, A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND 1 32 WEST KAISER RENTAL.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE THE TWO MONITORS NOW TO, HOWEVER Y'ALL WANT TO LOOK AT THAT.
BUT, UH, APPLICATION 24 0 0 5 22 IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL.
THAT'S AT 1 32 WEST CHRYSLER ROAD, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 2086 DASH 33 DASH B ONE LOT ONE B.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONE R THREE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UH, THERE'S THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY THERE ON WEST CHRYSLER ROAD.
IT IS A DUPLEX, IT IS THE, THE RIGHT UNIT OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THERE IS A SITE LOCATION OF IT, 1 32 WEST CHRYSLER ROAD.
SO THAT'S FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UH, ANOTHER VIEW OF PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS WAS POSTED TODAY.
UH, SO THE APPLICATION FOR THAT IS FOR A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL.
UH, THAT IS FOR, UH, SIX BEDROOMS, OR THREE BEDROOMS AND SIX OCCUPANTS.
UH, THE SITE INSPECTION HAS NOT HAPPENED.
UH, WE HAVE NOT ARRANGED, UH, TO GET THIS SCHEDULED TO DO THE IN-HOUSE INSPECTION, BUT IT IS FOR, UH, A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, THREE BEDROOM, SIX PEOPLE.
UH, THEY DO HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES ON THE PAVEMENT AND ONE PARKING SPACE IN THE GARAGE.
SO TOWN CODE REQUIRES EACH BEDROOM HAVE A PARKING SPACE.
SO THAT QUESTION COMES UP QUITE A FEW TIMES.
SO THEY DO HAVE APPROPRIATE OFF STREET PARKING FOR THIS APPLICATION.
UH, YOU, UH, PART OF THE, YOUR APPLICATION PACKET WILL BE A SURVEY PLA THE MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH IS REQUIRED.
AND THEY DO HAVE THE EMERGENCY DWELLING ACCU EVACUATION DIAGRAM INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
SO THE, THE COM APPLICATION IS COMPLETE.
UH, EVERYTHING WAS SUBMITTED, UH, BASICALLY FOR THIS, UH, APPLICATION TO KEEP IN MIND OFF STREET PARKING HAS BEEN MET.
UH, SO THIS WHOLE HOUSE, WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, THREE BEDROOMS FOR SIX PEOPLE, AND THEY DO HAVE APPROPRIATE PARKING FOR EACH ROOM.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION OR ANY COMMENTS, UH, WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS.
JUST WENT OUT TODAY WITH THE ADVERTISING.
AND WE WILL MAKE NOTE IF WE GET ANY COMMENTS, EMAILS, OR PHONE CALLS ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL, WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICATION? IT HAS NOT BEEN INSPECTED YET AS FAR AS THAT.
YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT INSPECTION BEFORE, BEFORE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING IF WE, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK OUT A SCHEDULE FOR THAT, UH, INSPECTION.
MR. QUESTION, I HAVE A QUESTION.
DO WE KNOW WHERE THE NEXT CLOSEST SHORT TERM RENTAL IS TO THIS ONE? UH, NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, NO.
DO YOU HAVE A SENSE THAT THERE'S OTHERS IN THE BLOCK OR IS THIS THE ONLY ONE IN THAT BLOCK? UM, THERE'S ONE ON PER ON CURVE.
FOOT PER FOOT I THINK WAS THE LATEST ONE.
THE LAST ONE WE DID WAS, UH, ONE ON TURF FOOT, IF REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
REMEMBER THAT THERE'S TWO ON FOOT CURVE FOOT BASICALLY, UH, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER.
CAN YOU SHOW US THAT MAP AGAIN? SO WE SEE THE NEW CAMERAS CAN SEE, CAN WE SEE CURVE FOOT ON THAT MAP? NO, WE JUST DID THE AERIAL, UH, IMAGE OF THIS HERE.
CHRYSLER ROAD CURVE FOOT'S LIKE BLOCK YOU A BLOCK.
IS THIS GOING TO BE, UH, EARLIER OCCUPIED? NO.
THEY HAVE WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL ON THIS RIGHT.
THE EMAIL ADDRESS HAS A CHURCH EMAIL ADDRESS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
IS IT PART OF AN INSTITUTION? I BELIEVE THAT'S UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF IT.
THE PEOPLE THAT OWN IT OWN IT IS UNDER THEIR OWNERSHIP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEE WHAT THE NEIGHBORS THINK.
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OKAY.COULD I INTERJECT? NO, REGARDING NOT THE ACTUAL SHORT TERM, THE CODE SECTIONS THAT ARE, UH, CITED.
I CAN PUT IT IN A PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WANT.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
ON THE APPLICATION PROCESS? YES.
THE NEXT ONE, SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE VEHICLE.
SO YOU JUST, UH, YOU HAVE ONE SPECIAL, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
THE NEXT APPLICATION IS FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
UH, SO THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS FOR, UH, THE RE RELIEF OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 48, 8 78 2 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6 54 B WEST 11TH STREET.
THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 20 A ONE DASH TWO DASH THREE, LOTS, THREE, AND FOUR.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT.
YOU'LL HAVE IN YOUR, UH, APPLICATION IN THE PACKET THAT WE'LL SEND OUT.
UH, YOU'LL HAVE THE APPLICATION, UH, THE PLANS SHOWING THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE PROPERTY IN THE APPLICANT'S LETTER STATING THE REASONS FOR THE REQUEST.
UH, THERE IS A PROPERTY, IT'S LOCATED, UH, NEAR THE CORNER OF WEST 11TH STREET IN MONROE AVENUE.
UH, IT PREVIOUSLY WAS USED AS A, OR WAS USED AS USED AS A RESTAURANT.
AND AT ONE TIME, PARKING WAS ALLOWED FROM THIS OTHER BUSINESS TO GET ACCESS IN HERE.
BUT A FENCE HAS BEEN INSTALLED ALONG THIS PROPERTY LINE.
SO THEY DO NOT HAVE SHARED PARKING FOR THOSE TWO BUSINESSES NOW.
SO AT ONE TIME, PARKING DID COME OFF OF MONROE STREET TO THE BACK OF THIS LOT, BUT THAT NOW HAS A FENCE INSTALLED.
SO THEY DO NOT DO SHARED PARKING ON THE, AT THIS BUSINESS.
UH, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA, THAT'S BEN STANLEY CUISINE.
THAT'S THE BUILDING, UH, THE PARKING THERE IN THE FRONT.
UH, WE DID PUT THE PUBLIC NOTICE SIGN UP TODAY FOR THAT.
UH, THEY DID SUPPLY A SURVEY PLAT OF THE PROPERTY, UH, SHOWING, UH, FOUR PARKING SPACES HERE ON THE FRONT OF 11TH STREET, UH, TWO HERE ON THE SIDE, AND ADDITIONAL FIVE HERE IN THE REAR.
UH, SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE RELIEF OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS STRUCTURE AND THIS APPLICATION.
UH, SO THEY DO, UH, WITH THEIR DRAWING THAT THEY SUBMITTED FOR THE PARKING, UH, THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE 11 PARKING SPACES ACCORDING TO THE DRAWING, WITH FOUR OF THEM BEING COMPACT.
UH, THAT EQUATES TO 36% OF THE PARKING BEING COMPACT SPACES.
SO, UH, THE CURRENT USE IS RESTAURANT.
SO WITH TOWN CODE 1 7 5 1 0 4, WHEN ALL NEW, WHEN ALL NEW USES OR DEVELOPMENT CHANGES, THEY SHALL COMPLY WITH THE OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO THEY DID APPLY FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE UNDER 24 DOUBLE 0 3 0 8 FOR AN ASSEMBLY USE.
BUT THAT, UH, BUSINESS LICENSE WAS DENIED FOR INSUFFICIENT PARKING.
SO THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR AN EXCEPTION, SPECIAL EXCEPTION ON THE RELIEF OF THE PARKING.
UH, SO WITH THAT UNDER ASSEMBLY USE, OUR CODE STATES OUT OF ONE, UH, CHAPTER 1 48, 8 70 A TWO, THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE ONE PARKING SPACE PER FOUR FIXED SEATS IN THE MAIN ASSEMBLY AREA, OR ONE PARKING SPACE PER A HUNDRED NET SQUARE FEET.
SO THE NET SQUARE FEET IS A TOTAL OF THE FLOOR AREAS OF THE BUILDING, EXCLUDING STAIRWELLS, ELEVATOR SHAFTS AND EQUIPMENT.
BASICALLY PAINT TO PAINT MINUS THE WALLS FOR OUR, SO, SO THEY DID SUBMIT, THEY DID NOT SUBMIT AN INTERIOR LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE AN ACCURATE NUMBER OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF NET SQUARE FEET.
THEY DID SUBMIT, GIVEN US A TOTAL OF THE BUILDING OF 1,692 SQUARE FEET.
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BASICALLY WITH THAT THEY NEED 17 PARKING SPACES.SO THEIR DRAWING SHOWS 11 ALSO.
UH, CHAPTER 1 48, 8 70 A SIX ONLY ALLOWS 20% OF THE TOTAL OF REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING SPACES TO BE COMPACT SPACES.
THEIR, UH, THEIR TOTAL GIVES US 36% COMPACT.
UH, THE CODE REQUIRES 17 SPACES.
THEY HAVE 11 SHOWN ON THE DRAWING.
UH, SO THE PARKING SPACES HAVE TO BE NINE BY 18.
CHAPTER 1 48, 8 78 7 TELLS US THAT PARKING SPACES HAVE TO BE NINE BY 18, OR THE COMPACT EIGHT BY 18.
THAT'S REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE, UH, 1 48, 8 78 8.
NOW, THE WIDTH OF ALL INTERIOR PARKING LOT AISLES PROVIDING DIRECT ONE-WAY ACCESS TO THE INDIVIDUAL PARKING SPACES SHALL BE AS FOLLOWS.
SO THEY NEED A MINIMUM AISLE WIDTH OF 12 FEET TO ACCESS THE PARKING.
AND WHEN THEY GET TO 90 DEGREE PARKING, THAT AISLE WIDTH NEEDS TO BE 22 FEET.
UH, WITH THE APPLICATION ALSO 1 48, 8 70 A NINE, THE PARKING SPACE SHALL BE AT LEAST THREE FOOT FROM THE SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY LINES.
AND 1 48, 8 78 10, THE PARKING SPACE WILL BE SET BACK A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET FROM ANY BUILDING.
SO THE PARKING SPACES HAVE TO BE THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND FIVE FEET FROM THE BUILDING AND 12 FEET OR ONE WAY TRAVEL AISLE.
UM, SO OUR CODE DO DOES ALLOW FOR AN EXCEPTION, 1 48, 8 70 A 18 DOES.
AS WITH STANDARDS OF THIS CHAPTER, ALL OFF STREET PARK REQUIRES, MAY BE WAIVED BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION ACCORDING WITH, UH, SECTION 1 48, 2 11 OF THIS CHAPTER.
NOW, IF WE GO BACK TO THE PARKING SKETCH THAT THEY SUBMITTED, THEY HAVE TWO COMPACT SPACES HERE, EIGHT BY 18, EIGHT BY 18.
THE TRAVEL WIDTH IS 10 AND A HALF FEET.
THE PARKING SPACES ARE AGAINST THE BUILDING.
PARKING HERE AT THE PROPERTY LINE IS THREE FEET.
SO THESE PARKING SPACES ARE THREE FEET OFF THE SIDE OR THE REAR AND SIDE PROPERTY LINE, AND FIVE FOOT OFF THE BUILDING UP FRONT.
THESE PARKING SPACES SHOULD BE FIVE FOOT OFF THE BUILDING AND A 12 FOOT TRAVEL WIDTH.
THEY DO HAVE THE 22 FOOT TRAVEL WIDTH WITH A 90 DEGREE PARKING, BUT THE ACCESS HERE BY CODE REQUIRES A 12 FOOT WIDTH.
AND THEY HAVE, AGAIN, UH, PUT IN FOR FOUR PARKING SPACES TO BE COMPACT.
UH, SO THEY, UH, SO THAT'S PART OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TOWN CODE REQUIRES THIS AISLE, THIS TRAVEL, ONE WAY TO BE 12 FOOT, THE PARKING SPACE, FIVE FOOT OFF THE BUILDING.
AND THEY WENT RIGHT NEXT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING? NEXT TO THE BUILDING? CORRECT.
AND WHERE, WHERE ARE THEY PROPOSING TO PUT THE COMPACT SPACES? UH, THEY DO HAVE TWO HERE AND TWO HERE.
AND HOW WOULD A CUSTOMER OR VISITOR, WHATEVER MEMBER ACCESS THE REAR PARKING LOT THROUGH THIS 10 AND A HALF FOOT TRAVEL WAY AS OF NOW? SO THEY COME IN WHERE OFF OF 11TH STREET THROUGH HERE, WHICH THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL WIDTH THERE OF, UH, 12 FOOT NINE.
SO THEY HAD TO TRAVEL WIDTH HERE, BUT WHEN IT GETS TO HERE, IT'S DOWN TO 10 AND A HALF FEET TO ACCESS THESE, UH, FIVE PARKING SPACES IN THE REAR.
SO THERE'S NO WAY TO ENTER OR EXIT THE REAR PARKING LOT, EXCEPT THROUGH THAT ALLEYWAY, UH, THROUGH THIS TRAVEL WAY HERE.
AND SO WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE ON THE SIDES OF THAT LOWER PARKING LOT? LOT THREE AND FOUR IS ONE OF THOSE, IS THERE A FENCE THERE OR THERE'S A FENCE, YEAH, THERE.
THIS, THIS HAS A FENCE HERE AND A FENCE HERE ON THIS SIDE.
IN THE REAR GUYS SAW IN THE PICTURE.
SO WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE FIRE ENGINE? THIS IS FOR PRIVATE PARKING.
BASED ON THE PARKING SPACES, THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU, RIGHT?
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RIGHT.BUT I MEAN, 10 IS, I THINK 18 FEET IS THE WIDTH THAT THE FIRE ENGINES NEED TO GET DOWN THE ROAD.
I, I WASN'T THINKING I WAS THINKING OF A FIRE IN THE PARKING LOT
BUT TYPICALLY, I THINK WHENEVER THEY REVIEW THE PLANS, THE COMMENTS USUALLY COME BACK AT 18 FEET DRIVE AISLES.
AND SO THEY DO HAVE 18, UH, TWO FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE BUILDING CURRENTLY.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PARKING AND THEN THE EXCEPTION THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
SO I JUST WANNA GO OVER THIS, UH, WITH THIS DIAGRAM.
SO THE, THE PARKING SPACES FOR THIS, UH, USE AT 1,692 SQUARE FEET TOWN CODE REQUIRES 17 PARKING SPACES.
UH, SO THEIR DIAGRAM, THEY HAVE, UH, PUT 11 IN THERE.
UH, TOWN CODE ALSO ASKS THAT TRAVEL WAY TO BE 12 FOOT, AND THE PARKING SPACES BE FIVE FOOT OFF THE BUILDING AND TOWN CODE ALSO REQUIRES THEM, UH, THEY COULD DO 20% COMPACT, AND THEIR APPLICATION IS AT 36%.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT FACTORS IN THERE.
THEY'RE NOT JUST ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE NUMBER PARKING SPACES.
THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION ON OTHER PARTS OF TOWN CODE RELATED TO PARKING.
YOU COLLEAGUES HAVE QUESTIONS.
THERE WAS IN, IN THE DOCUMENTATION, I KNOW IT'S NOT PART OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE, READING THROUGH YOUR DOCUMENTATION, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT A PURCHASE OF ADDITIONAL PARKING PLACES.
THAT WAS A LITTLE BLURRED TO ME.
YOU HAVEN'T MENTIONED ANY OF THAT HERE.
SO THAT'S NOT EVEN UNDER CONSIDERATION PURCHASE.
THAT IS NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION.
THAT IS PART OF THEIR BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
THAT IS BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT THEY SUPPLIED TO GIVE YOU AN OVERALL ON, UH, THE APPLICATION AND WHAT THEY'RE THEY'D LIKE TO DO AND THE REASONING BEHIND THAT.
JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE, WE, WE ONLY ARE PRESENTING, UH, WHAT THE CODE STATES IN THEIR APPLICATION.
IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, THAT IS NO, THAT'S GOOD ACCIDENT.
FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PART, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT WASN'T PART OF THE ACTUAL APPLICATION.
THEY SUBMITTED, THEY SUBMITTED A LETTER STATING THEIR REASONS WHY.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAIVER THAT THIS COURT THEY'RE GIVING YOU, THEY'RE GIVING YOU A BACKGROUND.
I JUST WANTED YEAH, THEY WERE GIVING YOU A BACKGROUND ON, ON THE INFORMATION TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
BUT AS STAFF'S, UH, POINT OBLIGATION IS SHOW YOU THE CODE, WHICH IS WRITTEN AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AND EXCEPTION FOR.
THE REASON I WAS ASKING THAT IT, IT HAD GAVE A, THE LINE, LIKE THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THIS OTHER STUFF, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT WAS, THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE QUESTIONS TO ASK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE APPLICANT.
THAT WAS JUST, JUST BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
JUST JUST MAKING SURE THAT, UM, SO WHEN THEY CHANGE OF USE, SO THAT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE A CHANGE OF USE THAT TRIGGERS COMPLIANCE WITH THE PARKING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT, THIS IS A CHANGE OF USE FROM A, A RESTAURANT TO THE APPLICATION.
AND THEN THAT WAS DENIED WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THAT TO US FOR THE BUSINESS LICENSE.
SO JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT.
UH, THE 20% THE SIZE OF THE PARKING, THE AISLE FLOW, AND, UH, SO THEY CAN BE GRANTED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UH, 1 48 TO 11, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE GENERAL REGULATIONS.
THIS CHAPTER MAY BE GRANTED BY TOWN COUNSEL.
SO, SO THAT, UH, 1 48 TO 11 A ONE TELLS, UH, POTENTIALLY WHY THAT CAN BE GRANTED.
BUT, UH, 1 48 TO 11 D PRIOR TO APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF ANY REQUEST FOR AN EXCEPTION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE 15.2, 2204.
SO THIS IS REQUIRED IN STATE CODE FOR YOU AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HEAR THIS MATTER, TO EITHER, UH, APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
SO WHEN YOU GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, PORTION OF IT, WE WILL GIVE BASICALLY THIS PRESENTATION AGAIN TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK, OBVIOUSLY AT THAT TIME TO PRESENT, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THEY WOULD LIKE.
UH, YOU WOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH A MOTION, UH, FOR DISCUSSION, AND THE PUBLIC HAS TIME.
SO YOU'LL HEAR THIS INFORMATION
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AGAIN, PLUS THE APPLICANT'S INFORMATION.QUESTION, JOHN, I GUESS SO WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AND PARKING BETWEEN THE RESTAURANT AND I NOW IT'S BEING AS AN ASSEMBLY, WHICH I KNOW IS DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, CRITERIA.
BUT WHAT WAS THE, UM, THE ORIGINAL, UH, CRITERIA FOR THE RESTAURANT? UH, IT WOULD DEPEND.
IT WOULD HAVE TO DEPEND IF IT'S A, UH, IF IT'S CARRY OUT, IF IT'S ONLY STRICTLY FOR OUT THERE, A, UH, UH, WE WOULD JUST USE THE, UH, AREA IN FRONT FOR THE CALCULATION OF THAT, NOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
IT WASN'T CARRY OUT AND THEY HAD, UH, AND THEY HAD SHARED PARKING AT ONE TIME.
AND THEY, THAT WAS, UH, ONE SITE
THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT'S WHY I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS.
WELL, SO FROM THE RESTAURANT, HOWEVER, THAT WAS PERMITTED SOME TIME AGO WITH THE PARKING.
HOWEVER, HOW LONG THAT BEEN THERE WITH THE PARKING THAT WAS DESIGNATED IN THERE.
NOW WE HAVE A CHANGE OF USE NOW UNDER CODE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF A, IF, IF A BUSINESS WAS GOING TO CONTINUE AND IT WAS A ZONING APPLICATION APPROVED IN THE PAST, THAT'S A REUSE OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT THIS IS A CHANGE OF USE CHANGE.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THOUGH, RIGHT.
WE, WE CAN GET THE NUMBERS FOR YOU, UH, BECAUSE I'M SURE THE OTHER ONE WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS WELL, THEN.
WELL, IF WE CAN CHECK THE RECORDS AND WE CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR YOU.
NOT BEING A MEMBER OF THE VFW, WHAT GOES ON AT A VFW THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, I WOULD SAY.
BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE, THE PLACE THAT BURNED OUT WAS A WHOLE LOT BIGGER.
AND I BELIEVE THEY, IN THAT LETTER OF JUSTIFICATION, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE GIVEN OUTLINE OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, BUT, BUT IF, IF THEY HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE FILL UP PREVIOUS BIGGER PLACE, THIS COULD BE IT.
IT'S A FACTOR OF WHETHER THIS IS GONNA WORK.
THAT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
THEY DID GIVE A LETTER THAT YOU, THAT'S PART OF YOUR APPLICATION, THEIR APPLICATION FOR YOU TO READ.
UH, SO I, I WOULD STRESS THAT YOU READ THEIR LETTER OF THEIR, UH, STATEMENT AND THE HISTORY ON THAT.
UH, AS PART OF IT, THEY GIVE A HISTORY BREAK GROUND.
THEY GIVE YOU A PROCESS OF, UH, HOW THEY TRIED TO, UH, ACQUIRE PARKING, UM, IN, IN, IN THE PAST.
AND, UH, WHY THEY HAVE CHOSEN THIS ROUTE FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
I I JUST STRESS THAT YOU READ YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PACKETS.
UH, THEN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, UH, DIRECTLY TO THE APPLICANT, ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY SHOULD SHED SOME MORE LIGHT THEN ON JUST, UH, THE REASONING.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS EXCEPTION.
I MEAN, WE'LL GET THEM TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR US.
BUT THE THING THAT I'M GRAPPLING WITH IN MY MIND, UM, IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CAN WE EXPECT THAT THIS WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AROUND THERE? I MEAN, IF THEY HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE EXCEED, YOU KNOW, A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING WHO ARE GONNA BE DRIVING, IS THAT GONNA, WHAT EFFECT IS THAT GONNA HAVE ON YOUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THERE? THAT'S THE PREMISE OF WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR DECISION.
YOU ARE LOOKING AT DOES THIS IMPACT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY? I THINK IF WE GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING, IS THIS USE APPROPRIATE? GO, GO OUT TO THE, HAVE YOU BEEN UP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH, YEAH.
NO, I USED TO GO TO S IT WAS ONE OF THOSE LITTLE RESTAURANT, SORRY, DISAPPEAR.
ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FIT THE PARKING LOTS GO OUT, I FLOW TO THE STREETS.
SO THOSE ARE QUESTIONS FOR THE, I DON'T I'M SURE HOW THAT WOULD BE HANDLED IN THAT, IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY DID GIVE YOU A LETTER STATING THE REASONING.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS EXCEPTION.
WE JUST ARE PRESENTING THE APPLICATION IN THE APPLICABLE CODE, WHAT YOU'RE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION FOR, I MEAN,
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BUT YOU CAN ALSO GET US YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE CAN RELAY THEM TO THE APPLICANT, OR YOU CAN DISCUSS THE BIT OF YOUR QUESTIONS HERE.THAT WAY THEY CAN WATCH THIS AND THEN BE PREPARED FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS.
THAT THAT'S GONNA BE ONE HOW, UM, HOW DO THEY EXPECT TO HANDLE THE OVERFLOW IF, IF THEY DO THAT.
AND, UM, THE, THE PARKING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS NOT UP TO SPEC AND IT'S, IT'S CLEARLY TO ME, IT COULD BE PRETTY DARN NARROW ON THE SIDE TO EXPECT TWO-WAY TRAFFIC TO GO THROUGH THAT IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION OF HOW THEY WOULD HANDLE THAT OVER FOR PARKING
YOU GRANTED CON THE CONSENT AGENDA, CONSENT AGENDA TO ADVERTISE THIS.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE ADVERTISED THAT.
AND TODAY THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGN WENT UP FOR THE MEETING HERE IN TWO WEEKS.
DID YOU LET, AT WHAT POINT DO LETTERS GO TO NEIGHBORS LETTERS HAVE ALREADY WENT OUT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AS PER STATE REGS.
SO THAT THEY SHOULD HOPEFULLY GET THAT LETTER THE DAY THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGN GOES UP.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE DONE OUR, YEAH, THAT'S ALL BEEN DONE.
MY RECOMMENDATION, WHEN YOU DO GET THESE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMITS OR PUBLIC HEARING, UH, PART, UH, FOR ONE MEMBER TO DO, ASK THE STAFF IF WE RECEIVED ANY PHONE CALLS, EMAILS, OR QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THESE PROJECTS, IF WE RECEIVE THOSE PRIOR TO YOUR PACKET GOING OUT, WE WILL INCLUDE THAT IN THE PACKET.
IF SOMEONE SENDS AN EMAIL YES.
ASKING QUESTIONS, THAT IS PART OF YOUR, UH, PACKET.
BUT WE, IF YOU ASK THAT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION FOR ANY OF THESE APPLICATIONS, WE WILL GIVE YOU, WE RECEIVE.
SOMETIMES WE MAY RECEIVE A PHONE CALL THAT DAY.
WE WOULD, WE KEEP TRACK OF THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE STAFF TO TRY TO RELAY TO THE APPLICANT TO GET ANSWERS FOR BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING
SO YOU'D HAVE A, A BACKGROUND OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THESE ARE GOING IN TO SEE IF THESE USES ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE DISTRICTS.
WE'LL TRY TO GIVE, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL 'CAUSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT WE DO ASK THAT YOU DO MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO VISIT THE SITES.
I THINK WE'VE LEARNED WHAT WE NEEDED TO HEAR.
SO THIS, UH, NEXT APPLICATION.
THIS IS A, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AGAIN, ANOTHER SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT NOT FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO THIS ONE WILL BE RELATIVELY SHORT, ACTUALLY.
SO THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS CONTAINING 90 APARTMENTS AND TWO SEPARATE THREE STORY STRUCTURES WITH A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 45 FEET ON A VACANT PARCEL OFF OF EAST ER ROAD, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 28 18 DASH FIVE DASH FIVE A ONE.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONE C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT IS LOCATED BETWEEN THREE 30 AND FIVE 40 EAST RYER ROAD.
AND THE PROPERTY ALSO HAS FRONTAGE ON REMOUNT ROAD, US 5 22, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, UH, PORTION OF IT.
UH, SO CHAPTER 1 75, 39 B FOR THE C ONE, THE FOLLOWING USES ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE C ONE DISTRICT ONLY BY APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, EXCEPT AS PROHIBITED OR RESTRICTED AND SEPARATE RESTRICTIONS OF RECORD THAT MAY PERTAIN TO THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE C ONE.
SO PART OF THAT RESIDENTIAL APARTMENTS OR DWELLING UNITS WITH FOUR OR MORE, OR WHEN LOCATED ON THE GROUND FLOOR, SUBJECT TO PROVISIONS, SECTION 1 7 5 1 13.
NOW SECTION 1 7 5 1 13 STRICTLY DEALS WITH APARTMENTS.
SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS, IS, IS ASKING FOR, IS THIS USE APPROPRIATE ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? SO YOU ARE NOT, UH, IF THIS WENT FOR APPROVAL, YOU'RE NOT APPRO APPROVING CONSTRUCTION WHERE YOU'RE JUST APPROVING.
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WOULD APARTMENTS BE APPROPRIATE ON THIS PIECE OF PARCEL, THIS PROPERTY? SO, UH, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA, HERE'S REMOUNT ROAD, EAST KREER ROAD, THE LIBRARY, AND THEY HAVE A, A PORTION OF THE LAND THAT JOINS HERE AT EAST KREER.AND THIS IS THE BACK OF THE RURAL KING SHOPPING CENTER.
SO THEY HAVE FRONTAGE HERE, ALBEIT HENDS, UH, HAPPY CREEK, BUT THEY HAVE FRONTAGE HERE ON REMOUNT ROAD, EAST RYER ROAD HERE, WHERE THEY HAVE THE ENTRANCE, UH, POTENTIAL ENTRANCE GONE IN.
AND THE SITE DEVELOPED HERE ON THIS VACANT LAND THAT SETS ADJACENT BEHIND RURAL KING.
THERE'S THE LIBRARY THERE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.
SO WE DID, UH, POST PUBLIC, UH, NOTICE SIGNS OUT HERE ON REMOUNT AND HERE, BUT THAT'S ONLY FOR THIS LITTLE PORTION FOR THE ENTRANCE COMING IN.
SO THIS IS THE, THE PROPERTY THERE, THERE AT THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT.
SO A GOOD PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, 1% OF ANNUAL FLOODING.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, HALF A PERCENT OF ANNUAL FLOODING.
UH, SO I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S BEEN IN THE NEWS WITH, UH, THE DEVASTATION FROM, UH, HURRICANE HELENE.
SO THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
SO JUST WANTED, UH, MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.
SO IT IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN, THAT PORTION OF IT IS, AND JOHN, WHAT IS HALF A PERCENT WHAT FORMALLY WAS CALLED A 500 YEAR FLOOD? OH, THAT'S NOT, SO IS MISCONCEPTION WHEN WE REFER TO THIS AS A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, PEOPLE HAD THE, UH, PRIOR MAYBE I THINK TO HURRICANE KATRINA IN 2005.
UH, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REDEFINED THE NAME OF THOSE.
SO WE USED TO CALL IT THE 100 YEAR FLOOD AND THE 500 YEAR FLOOD.
SO PEOPLE HAD THE, UH, MISCONCEPTION THAT YOUR CHANCES OF FLOODING WAS ONCE IN A HUNDRED YEARS, BUT IT'S 1% ANNUALLY.
OKAY? SO THERE WAS, UH, AFTER HURRICANE KATRINA IN 2005, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, WITH A LOT OF THE FAILURE OF THE LEVEES AND FLOOD PROTECTION THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, UH, KIND OF LOOKED AT THE REGULATIONS BUILDING IN THE FLOODPLAIN, AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN.
SO JUST A, THE LINE, THE FLOOD PLAIN STAYED THE SAME.
I JUST REDEFINED THE DEFINITION.
AND THEN DARK BLUE IS WHAT, WHAT WE FORMALLY CALLED THE 500 YEARS.
AND INSIDE THIS IS THE FLOODWAY.
SO THOSE, EACH OF THOSE THREE LEVELS HAVE DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS.
OKAY? SO WHAT WAS FORMALLY CALLED THE 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.
SO, BECAUSE WATER, UH, YOU KNOW, WATER'S GONNA SPREAD OUT HERE MORE.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE DARK BLUE HAS A ONE.
BUT AS, AS WE GET IN WITH THE DRAWING, I THINK, SO IT'S DE MARKED ON HERE.
IT'S DE MARKED ON THE PLAT HERE THAT YOU HAVE, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT TO YOU SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND HERE.
SO THIS IS THE ROYAL KING PARKING LOT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
UH, EAST RASER ROAD, THE VACANT PROPERTY.
SO WHAT THEY HAVE, UH, SUBMITTED, UH, HERE IS, AS YOU NOTICE THEY DID MARK DEMARKED, THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE OUT OF IT.
OKAY? SO THIS WOULD BE COMING OUT TO EAST RYER ROAD THAT WOULD ABUT BACK TO THE ROYAL KING SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THEY HAVE PROPOSED TO DO TWO BUILDINGS THERE, 45 APARTMENTS, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 90, UH, JUST ON THEIR CONCEPT DRAWING.
NOW, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT DRAWING WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
THIS WOULD, IF THIS WOULD BE APPROVED, IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT SOME POINT FOR MAJOR SITE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION MAJOR SITE DEVELOPMENT, UH, CHECKLIST WITHIN THE CODE, AND ALSO ALL THE REGULATIONS FOR PARKING OR FOR APARTMENTS IN 1 75, 1 13.
UH, SO SHOWING THE POTENTIAL LOCATION OF THE BUILDINGS OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
UH, SO THEY'RE BASED ON THAT DRAWING.
THEY'RE NOT BUILDING IN A FLOODPLAIN, BUT JUST MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.
IF SOMEONE ASKS, WHY AREN'T THEY BUILDING THE REST OF IT? WELL, HAPPY CREEK ROAD OR HAPPY CREEK.
AND, UH, THAT PORTION'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN STRICTER, UH, REGULATIONS TO BUILD THERE.
SO THEY'RE UTILIZING MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTIES
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TO THE WEST SIDE, UH, FOR TWO BUILDINGS WITH THAT.SO, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THIS WAS APPROVED, IT COMES BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT SOME POINT FOR MAJOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND PART OF THAT IS ALL THE REGULATION FOR APARTMENTS, SETBACKS, LANDSCAPING PLANNINGS, DISTANCE OFF THE PROPERTY LINE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, THAT CALL COMES AFTERWARDS, WORKS.
SO YOU'RE JUST LOOKING, IS THIS APPROPRIATE, THIS, THIS IS THIS USE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION BASED ON THE CODE, AND THEY NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO DO ANYTHING, UH, ON THE GROUND FLOOR IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
NOW, I, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THAT ENTRANCEWAY THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THAT STILL IS YEAH.
THAT THEY, THEY DID A MATCH SHEET HERE AND THIS OBVIOUSLY COMES DOWN HERE, ANDRIES OUR ROADS DOWN HERE.
SO JUST A CONCEPT, WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING, AND THERE'S, WHO KNOWS WHAT EARTH WORKS COULD BE DONE TOO, RIGHT? UH, BUT THE STIPULATION, YOU KNOW, THE 45 FOOT IS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
UH, WE ALLOW, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE, UH, UH, APPLIED FOR 45 H UH, 5 45 HEIGHT ON THE BUILDING.
BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF 1 7 5, 1 13 FOR APARTMENTS.
I THINK I GOT IT BACKWARDS ON THE FLOODPLAIN I WAS GETTING ON THERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE HUNDRED YEAR.
I'VE GOT THOSE KIND OF BACKWARDS.
IF I, IF I, I WAS GETTING ON YOUR NUMBERS THERE, TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT SO THAT, YEAH, THAT'S THE 500 WHAT WE FORMALLY CALL THE 500 YEAR.
AND THE HALF PERCENT MEANS YOU HAVE WHAT IT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE A HALF PERCENT A YEAR OF THAT FLOODING, LIKE, LIKE WHAT WE FORMALLY CALLED THE 100 YEAR THAT HAD A 1%.
SO THAT SAME THING, IT'S CUMULATIVE.
SO WHAT THEY TELL YOU, IF YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU BUILD IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND HAVE A 30 YEAR MORTGAGE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
YOU HAVE, IF YOU DON'T, AT SOME POINT AT, IN THAT 30 YEAR MORTGAGE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A 30% GETTING FLOODED.
'CAUSE 1% A YEAR IS ODDS OF GETTING FLOODED.
SO IF YOU'RE LIKE A BASEBALL PERSON LIKE ME, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HIT 300, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GO TO THE HALL OF FAME.
SO YOUR CHANCES OF GETTING FLOODED AND THAT FLOODPLAIN INCREASES EACH YEAR.
UH, WE KNOW, UH, I THINK OUR LAST, WE HAD A FLOOD HERE PROBABLY IN, UH, 1985.
RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S THE LAST MAJOR FLOODING BASED ON THE CATEGORIES HERE IN FRONT ROW.
SO YOU HAD ONE IN 85, 96 AND 2005.
RIGHT? SO IT'S BEEN ESSENTIALLY 20 COUPLE YEARS SINCE WE HAD EXPERIENCED MAJOR FLOODING.
I JUST DON'T THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE.
I REMEMBER THAT WE MAY HAVE HAD SOME MI UH, OTHER ONES THAT DIDN'T REGISTER ON THE SCALE AS MAJOR FLOODING BASED ON THE USGS FLOODING.
MAY HAVE ANOTHER ONE IN THERE IF I, BUT MAYBE THAT THOSE NUMBERS STICK IN MY MIND.
NO, I REMEMBER JANUARY NINE, SIX WAS A BIG ONE.
SO I THINK THE ONE YEAR WE HAD BACK TO BACK, SO JUST, BUT THEY'RE NOT BUILDING IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, SO JUST YOU HAVE IT RIGHT.
REALIZE THIS IS STILL CONCEPT, BUT ARE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE SHOPPING CENTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, THEY, UH, DID, UH, JUST ON THEIR SKETCH, THEY DID SHOW CONNECTION OF A TRAIL HERE.
UH, IS THIS AN EXISTING TRAIL? BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT HERE.
THIS TRAIL HERE IS NO, I MEAN, THERE IS A, BACK TO THE RURAL KING PARKING LOT, THERE'S AN EXISTING PATH THAT'S, THAT HAS SOME BAR, YOU KNOW, BIG PEOPLE MM-HMM.
BUT, UM, JUST WONDER IF THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPROVED OR EXTENDED.
UH, THAT COULD COME BACK WHEN WE DO THE MAJOR SITE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS PLANNING GOES, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL HERE YEAH.
UH, THAT MAY BE A SUGGESTION TO THE DEVELOPER TO, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE STUDENTS COME OUT THE ROAD AND DOWN THE STREET, THAT THEY PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF ACCESS TO CONNECT UP TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND ALSO CONNECT UP TO THE LIBRARY INSTEAD OF COMING WITH TRAFFIC AND OUT ON THE SIDEWALK.
UH, POTENTIALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THIS TRAIL, THE WIDTH OF THIS TRAIL TO HELP PEOPLE TRAVEL THE TRAIL, THE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, THAT'S PART OF THE, THAT'S ALL PART OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT.
RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED DOWN THE ROAD.
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WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT INITIALLY LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY DON'T SHOW IT.UH, THE, THE ENTRANCE HERE, UH, SOMEWHAT CONCERNING HERE WITH ACCESS THAT ALREADY GOES OUT HERE, UH, THROUGH THIS PROPERTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN A NEW ENTRANCE HERE.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ON THE PLANNING STANDPOINT FOR THAT.
UH, LOOKED LIKE THAT DID ENCROACH INTO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY AT THAT POINT.
AND OLD BELMONT ROAD DOES NOT ALIGN, UH, WITH THE INTERCEPTION AT, AT 90 DEGREES.
SO THERE IS SOME CONCERNS THERE.
SO YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ROADS.
SO IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE, YEAH, WE SEE, WELL SEE THAT, BUT THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD ON SITE.
SO HERE WHAT WE TALK ABOUT MAYBE ASKING THEM TO DO A CONNECTION HERE AND SOMETHING HERE MAYBE POTENTIALLY, UH, TO HELP, UH, WITH PEDESTRIAN USE OF IT AND LOOKS LIKE BASED ON THE COUNTY JS THAT THE, THE TRAILS EVEN ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AT SOME POINT THERE.
IF, IF THE GI IS IS CORRECT WITH THE BOUNDARY LINES.
AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT SURVEY GRADE, THAT'S JUST MAPPING.
UH, SO IT'S NOT LIKE SOMETHING NEW COMING OUT, UH, THAT YOU'RE UNAWARE OF.
UH, THEY DID GIVE SOME RENDERINGS, UH, WHAT THEY, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT.
THAT IS PART OF YOUR PACKET ALSO.
UH, SO THIS IS KIND THE BUILDINGS THERE POTENTIALLY A BUILDING.
THEY DID GIVE A LIST IN YOUR PACKET OF WHAT, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO THE EXTERIOR FEATURES OF THESE.
UH, SO THESE ARE SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR.
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD FOUR STORIES WOULD BE THREE.
BUT THIS IS JUST AN PICTURE BEFORE STORY, JUST JUST A PICTURE OF RENDERING.
UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UH, DRAWINGS THAT THEY HAD, UH, OF COMPLEXES THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
SO, UM, AND THEY DID, YOU KNOW, BRICK AND HARDY PLANK I THINK WAS ON THEIR APPLICATION.
THEY, UH, NO VINYL SIDING AT ALL AS PART OF THEIR APPLICATION.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA GIVE ME A BACKGROUND ON THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT IN THERE.
UH, ANOTHER RENDER OR ANOTHER PICTURE OF ONES THAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
THERE'S ANOTHER THREE STORY, UH, NEARLY ALL BRICK WITH HARDY PLANK SIDING ON IT.
THEY, I DO BELIEVE THEY'RE, UH, PART OF THE APPLICATION JUST FOR SOME BACKGROUND, BUT NOT PART FOR YOU TO JUST HAVE SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
UH, THEY ARE PROBABLY INSTALLING ALL ENERGY EFFICIENT APPLIANCES IN THE BUILDING.
UM, SO A FEW OTHER THINGS THEY ARE SAID THAT THEY WOULD DO, SOME OF THE, UH, UNITS WOULD BE COMPLETE A DA ACCESSIBILITY AS PART OF THAT.
SO YOU MAY WANNA READ THAT INFORMATION AND ASK THAT TO THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO I JUST ASK YOU TO READ PART WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, ASK SOME QUESTIONS ON, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE DETERMINING, IS THIS USE APPROPRIATE? IT MAY HAVE SOME, UH, UH, GOOD INFORMATION ON THE BACKGROUND OF HOW THEY ARE PROPOSING.
WHAT TYPE OF STRUCTURES WILL GO IN THERE.
UH, IT IS STATED NO VINYL SIDING FOR THOSE, BUT BRICK AND HARDY PLANK SIDING ON THE EXTERIOR, AND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THOSE WOULD BE COMPLETE 100% 88, UH, COMPATIBILITY FOR THEM.
AND THEY WOULD REACH OUT TO THOSE AND GEAR THAT FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
DO WE KNOW THE, THE ADDRESSES OF THE PREVIOUS PLACES? THE ONES THAT THEY CITED? UH, THAT THEY, THEY DID TELL, THEY JUST TOLD A COUPLE AREAS THAT THEY HAVE BUILT THESE IN AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SUBMITTED WITH THESE DRAWINGS OR PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT.
UM, SO THEY THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE PERTINENT, THAT YOU'D ACTUALLY SEE, UH, DRONE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE DRAWINGS THAT THEY HAVE COMPLETED IN THE PAST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO GO IN THERE.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PARKING AND ALL THE LANDSCAPING THAT COMES LATER, THEY HAVE TO MEET THAT CODE.
WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO DETERMINE IS THIS A USE APPROPRIATE? RIGHT.
SO THAT'S A CONCEPT THAT THEY'VE SAID THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BE SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS WITH THE HARDY FINE FROM BRICK.
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WORKS OUT.WE KNOW WHAT NEED, WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW.
BUT YOU CAN ASK, YOU KNOW, UH, I ASKED YOU TO REVIEW WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED WITH THEIR LETTER STATING THE STUFF.
IF SOME OF THAT INFORMATION MAY NOT BE PERTINENT, UH, FOR EURO'S, UH, DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT.
I DON'T WANNA GET, UH, TOO DEEP IN THE WEEDS FOR OUR PRESENTATION.
BECAUSE WE, WE, UH, DEAL STRICTLY WITH THE, THE CODE, WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS AND WHAT IS PERMITTED, UH, FOR YOU.
SO IF YOU ASKED, I'LL SAY THAT SEVERAL TIMES.
I'M NOT, UH, TRYING TO SKIRT THE ISSUE.
AND THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS THERE THAT NEED TO BE NOTIFIED.
UH, THEY'RE ACROSS CROSS CHRYSLER.
IT DOESN'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
SO ANYBODY THAT BORDERS THIS WILL GET A LETTER, THEY WILL GET THOSE, UH, AS WELL AS ACROSS THE STREET SCHOOL.
THEY WILL, THEY'LL GET LETTERS, UH, STATING THAT AND ACROSS, UH, ACROSS THE, YEAH, USUALLY THAT'S THE SHOPPING CENTER ACROSS THE
SO WE WILL LET, THEY WILL GET LETTERS.
RA WENT OUT ON FRIDAY ABOUT THIS.
UM, READY FOR, WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT USED TO BE THERE IN THE PAST? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UH, IT'S SCRUBBY AND, AND DIPPING.
IT'S HARD TO, HARD TO GET THROUGH.
THINK WE'RE READY FOR OUR NEXT ITEM.
UH, THAT'S THE THREE ITEMS FOR, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO WE DO HAVE OTHER ITEMS, UH, YOU WANTED TO JUMP RIGHT INTO THEM OR YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THESE THREE APPLICATIONS WE HAVE? I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THESE, THESE THREE APPLICATIONS.
IF YOU NEED ME TO REPEAT SOMETHING, YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, WE'RE HERE TO WORK SESSION.
AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, JOT THAT DOWN.
YOU CAN'T ASK THOSE AS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS? YES, WE DO.
YOU READY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE WAITING ON.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE WAITING ON.
I'M SORRY THAT NOT HERE BECAUSE SHE WAS, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS PRESENTATION
I MIND, DID YOU WANNA PULL IT UP ON THAT? WE CAN GET RID OF THAT.
HERE IS THAT THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT OUR WATER SITUATION AND AS A STATE, WHATEVER THE REGULATIONS, APPLICATION, SOME MUNICIPALITIES, HOUSING NEEDS, THE QUESTION HAS COME UP, WILL HELP.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST, THE PLANNING QUESTION TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT STRICTLY BECAUSE WE GET ASKED, UH, AND PART HERE GET ASKED HOW DO WE EXPLAIN THIS? SO THAT'S THE, WE ASK YOU TO COME.
UM, ROBBIE BOYER, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.
ROBBIE, ROBERT, I GET CALLED A LOT.
UM, SO I'M THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR THE TOWN FRONT RULE.
UM, I'M GONNA KIND OF JUST START BEFORE WE GET OUR WATER.
UM, SO THE TOWN HAS A SURFACE WATER, UH, WITHDRAWAL PERMIT, UM, FROM, UH, VIRGINIA APARTMENT HEALTH AND THE APARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.
UM, WE DRAW THE SOUTH FORK OF THE SHAND RIVER, UM, WHICH YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN INTO THE BOAT LANDING.
THERE'S A NEWER ONE OUT IN THE RIVER, AND THESE ARE OUR TWO, UH, THE NEWER AND THE OLDER PUMP STATIONS.
UH, WITH THESE, WE PUMP ON AN AVERAGE, UM, DAILY.
I, I THINK I HAVE ON THE WATER PLANT STUFF, UM, WHEN WE GET TO THAT, BUT A LITTLE BIT BACK.
SO THE WATER SYSTEM WAS ORIGINALLY PRIVATE OWNED, UM, BACK IN THE EARLY 18 HUNDREDS AND LATE OR EARLY, LATE 18 HUNDREDS, EARLY 19 HUNDREDS WHEN IT WAS FIRST.
UM, THE TOWN PURCHASED IT IN 1914.
UM, IT WAS A GRAVITY FEED SYSTEM AT THAT TIME, UM, FROM UP IN THE MOUNTAIN.
UM, IN 1958, THE TOWN, UH, I'M SORRY, 1914, THE TOWN BUILT ITS FIRST, UH, WING, MAIN GALLON PLANTS, UH, WHICH
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IS DOWN OF THE HILL FROM THE PLANT IS NOW, UH, 1958.UM, WHERE WE ARE NOW, WE DO 3 MILLION GALLONS.
UM, AND THEN WE UPGRADED IN 2008 TO DO, UH, 6 MILLION GALLONS PLUS.
WE ALSO, UM, AFTER THAT, ADDED SOME, UH, UV, UH, DISINFECTANT AS WELL TO THE, THE PLANTS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE PRODUCE, UH, ROUGHLY ABOUT 2.3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
UM, AVERAGE CONSUMPTION IS JUST UNDER TWO.
UM, WE ARE PERMITTED, LIKE I SAID, THROUGH THAT SOURCE WATER, UH, WITHDRAWAL PER TO DO 5.9 MG FIVE 5.94 MGDA DAY.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE LESS THAN A MAN MILLION GALLONS.
IT'S UNTREATED, BUT IT GRAVITY FEEDS INTO THE PLANT.
UM, BETWEEN THE WATER TANKS, THE RESERVOIR AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE IN DISTRIBUTION, WE GOT ABOUT A LITTLE LESS THAN 2 MILLION GALLONS THAT WE HAVE ON HAND.
UM, AT A TIME PER, THAT'D BE PER DAY.
THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT WE PULL OUTTA THE RIVER A DAY.
AND WE CAN DO UP, WE'RE PERMITTED.
UM, BUT OUTTA THAT, WHAT WE'RE PERMITTED, WE USUALLY USE ABOUT 2.3, UM, UNLESS WE HAVE A BAD WATER BREAK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, OUR WATER DISTRIBUTION, UH, OF COURSE WE HAVE, UH, DISTRIBUTION LINES OUT IN THE TOWN AND COUNTY.
UM, FOR THE WATER, WE HAVE, UH, 6,406 RESIDENTS.
UM, THE SEWER NUMBERS IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
WE DO HAVE A FEW RESIDENTS THAT HAVE TOWN WATER, BUT THEY'RE ON SEPTIC STILL.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE WATER NUMBER'S A LITTLE HIGHER.
UM, OUR SYSTEM HAS ABOUT 119 MILES OF WATER LINES, LIKE I SAID, BETWEEN THE TOWN COUNTY AND 124 SEWER.
UM, SANITARY SEWER, UM, CONSISTS OF 755 FIRE HYDRANTS.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON CALL 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, UM, FOR EMERGENCIES.
UH, THE WASTEWATER PLANT, UH, THE FIRST WASTEWATER PLANT ON MANASSAS AVENUE WAS OCTOBER, 1981.
THERE WAS ONE BEFORE THAT AT THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD, A REAL SMALL ONE.
THAT PLANT WAS UPGRADED IN 2015.
UM, ACTUALLY, YEAH, 2015 THERE WAS ONE IN 94.
AND THEN AGAIN, IN 2018 AS WELL.
UM, THE, UH, WASTEWATER COMPLAINT ALSO, UH, CONSISTS OF A SEPTIC, UH, RECEIVING STATION THAT WE SHARE WITH THE COUNTY.
UM, WE HAVE SOME RESIDENTS IN TOWN, A FEW.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ALL THE RESIDENTS IN TOWN, THEY HAVE SEPTIC.
UM, AND IF YOU NOTICE, WE DO TREAT 4.5 MILLION GALLONS OF SEWER A DAY.
UH, WHICH IF YOU NOTICE IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHAT WATER WE PUT OUT.
UM, SOME OF THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE, THE I NINE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT NUMBER DOWN.
UH, WE'RE JUST FINISHING UP A COUPLE MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT NOW IN THE SEWER.
UM, AND AS OF, UH, OCTOBER OF 2018, OUR PERMIT ALLOWED US TO PUMP, UH, 5.3 MGDA DAY.
AND THEN WE'D ADDED SOME, UH, NUTRIENT REMOVAL STUFF TO, UH, MEET THE CHESAPEAKE BAY, UH, ACT.
AND THEN WE OPERATE 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
UH, IT'S LIKE THE WATER PLANT.
THE ROW SAID THAT NUMBER'S COMING OUR WAY THOUGH.
IT'S COMING DOWN SLOWLY BUT SURELY.
UM, BUT THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE OVERVIEW OF THE, THE WATER AND SEWER, UH, SYSTEM.
I DON'T IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
THE NUMBER BEING HIGHER THAT YOU'RE TREATY VERSUS PUMPING, IF THAT'S LEAKY SKID.
OH, THE ION SENSOR, IS IT GROUND, IS IT GROUNDWATER OR SOUP? MOSTLY GROUNDWATER.
UM, OLD GASKETS, OLD CLAY PIPE, UH, COULD BE SEWER, CLEAN OUT CAPS.
UM, THERE USED TO BE A LOT OF DOWNSPOUTS, SUMP PUMPS.
WE'VE CALL A LOT OF THEM OVER THE YEARS, BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND OF COURSE, AS IT RAINS, WET YEARS ARE WORSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, DRY TIMES MAKES IT BETTER, BUT ANYTIME YOU GET A LOT OF RAIN OR THE RIVER GETS UP, YOU KNOW, MAKES IT WORSE AS WELL.
AND SO THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE CURRENTLY RECEIVING TOWN WATER, UH, THAT WAS A SLIDE AGO, I THINK.
AND THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN TOWN AND COUNTY WHERE WE GO OUT INTO THE COUNTY AS WELL.
THAT WOULD BE YOU ALL COMBINED THAT WE PROVIDE WATER TO.
UM, SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE LIKE HARMONY, HOLLOW, BLUE, RED SHADOWS, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE KIND OF AREAS AS WELL.
ARE TOWN AND COUNTY RESIDENTS TREATED THE SAME AS FAR AS PRIORITY OF IF THERE'S A SHORTAGE? AS, AS FAR AS IF YOU GO BEYOND THE CITY LIMITS, UH, OR IS THERE ANY, I GUESS, UH, A, A A GRACE DEGRADATION
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OF SERVICE? NO, IT'S ONE SERVICE.UM, SO 6,406 RESIDENTS ON A DAILY BASIS CONSUME 2.3 MILLION GALLONS OVER THERE? NO.
SO YOU GOTTA FIGURE ALL YOUR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, SO THAT'S LIKE DOMINION.
UM, YOU KNOW, ALL YOUR LIKE TORAY, EXALTA.
UM, WE, IS THERE ANY WAY TO DISTINGUISH? SO I CAN TELL YOU, UH, WE, UH, WE WERE LOOKING THE OTHER WEEK, WE PUMP ABOUT A HALF A MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO THE CORRIDOR.
AND MOST OF THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, YOU HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL LIKE BLUE RIDGE HAS, BUT MOST OF IT'S YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR, UH, BIGGER USERS LIKE THAT THAT USE THE MAJORITY.
SO IF YOU TAKE THAT, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU HAVE SOME INDUSTRIAL IN TOWN, BUT, UM, MM-HMM.
SO WHAT CHANGES WHEN THERE'S A DROUGHT TALK, TALK US THROUGH THE WHOLE DROUGHT PROCESS.
UM, SO I MEAN, OF COURSE WE HAVE IN OUR PERMIT HAS, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN POINT, UH, WE HIT, UH, VOLUNTARY AND WE HIT MANDATORY AND, YOU KNOW, WE HIT, UH, EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE, AND THAT ALL GOES OFF THE RIVER FLOW.
SO WE MONITOR THE RIVER FLOW, THE CUBIC FEET PER SECOND.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR, OUR, UH, WITHDRAWAL PERMIT IS OFF OF.
'CAUSE WE CAN DRAW 10% OF WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED OR, UH, YOUR SURFACE WATER IS 10% OF WHAT'S THERE.
A LOT OF TIMES 10% OF WHAT'S IN THE RIVER.
WELL, A LOT OF TIMES, UH, FOR SURFACE WATER.
NOW OURS IS, THAT IS A LITTLE LOWER.
UM, LIKE LAST YEAR, SAY FOR EXAMPLE 2023 IN AUGUST WAS, WE WAS IN THAT DROUGHT PERIOD, UM, DURING THEN THE LOWEST DAY FLOW WE GOT DOWN TO 132 CUBIC FEET THAT DAY.
BUT THAT WAS STILL, UH, THAT WAS 59,000 GALLONS A MINUTE THAT FLEW PAST THE INTAKE AT THE RIVER.
UH, SO YOU FIGURED THAT EQUALED, THERE WAS STILL 85 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER THAT FLEW THROUGH THE RIVER THAT DAY.
UM, SO YOU FIGURED WE DRAW, WE DRAW 2 MILLION GALLONS.
YOU THINK? I MEAN, THAT WAS DURING THE WORST PART OF THE DROUGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE I SAID, WE CAN DO UP TO SIX.
UM, AND ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE TO RENEW OUR PERMIT EVERY 10 YEARS.
UM, SO WE HAVE AN ELDER PROBABLY EIGHT, NINE YEARS, AND WE'LL HAVE TO, WE JUST RENEWED OURS RECENTLY.
UM, SO WHO, JUST ONCE YOU GET INTO THESE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DROUGHT OR WARNING, HOW IS IT REGULATED? I MEAN, WHO, WHO OVERSEES HOW? SO WE, UH, WE PUT OUT NOTICES, UM, PUT OUT IF IT'S NOT A OBEY, WHAT HAPPENS? UH, WELL IF, IF LIKE YOU MEAN LIKE EXCEED IF WE EXCEED LIKE WATERING OR STUFF LIKE THAT? NO, NO.
IF, IF THE TOWN EXCEEDS DRAW THE DRAW THAT IT IS STATED FOR THE DROUGHT CONDITION, WHAT HAPPENS? OUR, OUR, OUR PERMIT DOESN'T CHANGE.
LIKE LAST YEAR, EVEN WHEN IT GOT DOWN TO THE LOWEST, THE LOWEST DAY OF THE YEAR, WE CAN STILL DRAW OUR 6 MILLION, DO MEXICAN 6 MILLION GALLONS.
UM, NO MATTER, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THE WATER'S THERE, WE CAN DRAW IT.
UM, WE ARE GUARANTEED THAT 6 MILLION GALLONS FROM THE STATE.
UM, NOW FOR US ON THE OTHER PART, LIKE THE UM, THE DROUGHT STEPS THAT WE HAVE, A LOT OF TIMES, LIKE IF WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT KEEP DOING STUFF THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, LIKE WATERING OR WASHING, PARKING, WE HAVE THE PD GO OUT, YOU KNOW, AND TALK TO 'EM A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY TALK TO 'EM, THAT'LL USUALLY TAKE CARE OR WATERING FIELDS OR YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE'LL SEND THEM OUT AND ASK THEM TO TALK TO 'EM.
YOU JUST TALK, TALKING TO NEIGHBORS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
THEY HAVE THIS VISUALIZATION OF A DRY PIPE HANGING OVER THE THING.
ONCE WE GET TO A CERTAIN DROUGHT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF DROPS COMING AT IT.
YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN, IT IS DEFINITELY, THE FLOW HAS DEFINITELY GOT WORSE THE LAST FEW YEARS.
'CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DRYER YEARS.
BUT YEAH, LIKE I SAID, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT WAY TOO, THAT'S STILL A LOT OF WATER.
SO, UM, AND WE HAVE, UH, COUNSEL'S TALKED ABOUT LOOKING AT MCKAY SPRINGS YEAH.
TO SEE WHAT'S THERE POSSIBLY SOME QUARRIES, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT STUFF.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOME DIFFERENT PROACTIVE MEASURES.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH MCKAY SPRINGS? CAN YOU EXPLAIN? THIS IS OUR NEW BOARD MEMBER WHO, UH, SO MCKAY SPRINGS IS, UH, THEY'RE AT CEDARVILLE.
UM, SO THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT SELLING THE TOWN ENDS A PARCEL.
THE COUNTY ENDS A PARCEL AND THE TOWN OF COUNTY ENDS A PARCEL TOGETHER.
SO I THINK BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING, MY, MY UNDERSTANDING, I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO SEE WHAT WATER IS THERE.
UH, WE HAD HAD LOOKED INTO IT BEFORE AND THERE WAS ABOUT 750,000 GALLONS A DAY.
UH, BUT IF YOU DO SURFACE ORDER, THE 10% COMES IN.
SO YOU COULD ONLY DO ABOUT 70,000 GALLONS A DAY.
SO THEN IT'S KIND OF, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING FOR 70,000 GALLONS A DAY? SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF WELLS.
UH, SO, UH, LAST MONTH, UH, COUNSEL HAD GAVE OUR CONSULTANT, UH, CHA ENGINEERING THE OKAY TO DO SOME LOOKING INTO IF IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
AND IF SO, WHAT, WHAT COULD YOU, WHAT COULD COME OUTTA THAT AS A DAILY YIELD, IF IT WOULD BE MORE THAN ONE OR TO KIND OF SEE IF IT'S EVEN MORE PURSUING BEFORE YOU SPEND A LOT OF MONEY.
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OKAY.SO, UM, FROM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE OF LAND USE AND UH, GRANTING PERMITS FOR A HUNDRED NEW HOUSES, A HUNDRED NEW APARTMENTS, WHATEVER, USING ROUND NUMBERS, CAN YOU ANTICIPATE ANY IMPACT ON WATER FROM LIKE THAT? UM, SO RESIDENTIAL, I GUESS A LOT OF IT TOO, A LOT OF IT TOO WOULD DEPEND ON THE AREAS, UM, FOR US, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE PUMPED A LOT OF AREAS.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE THE PUMP CAPACITY OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE PERMITTING.
BUT LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE SOME GIVEAWAY WITH OUR PERMIT FOR NOW.
UM, BUT KNOW A LOT OF IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE JAMESTOWN, YOU KNOW, ONCE A PUMP GETS TO A CERTAIN POINT WHERE YOU'RE PUMPING SO MUCH, YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE THE PUMPS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD BE A COST, UM, OF COURSE IN THEIR OLDER PUMPS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DIFFERENT PRESSURE AREAS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN.
'CAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MAKING SURE YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE A PRV THERE, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE, UH, PRESSURE REDUCING VALVE.
THAT WAY IT'S NOT BLOWING STUFF IN THE HOUSE.
AND I BELIEVE THE COUNTY REQUIRES 'EM INSIDE AS WELL.
UM, BUT WE DO OUR PART TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WE DO IT ON OUR SIDE AS WELL.
UM, JUST THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO THE QUANTITY OF WATER IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF IT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF, AT LEAST WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF HUGE DEVELOPMENTS.
INDUSTRIAL COURSE IS A, IS ALWAYS A BIG CONCERN.
UM, YOU DEPEND ON THE USE, LIKE PAPER MILLS USE A PILE OF WATER, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, SO SOME OF THOSE, SOME BIG MANUFACTURERS, UM, YOU KNOW, STUFF WE, UH, WE LOST ONE OUT IN THE CORRIDOR FOR A YEAR, A FEW YEARS AGO.
COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THAT USED A LOT OF WATER.
SO THAT KIND, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY KIND OF HERDS A LITTLE BIT, BUT FREED UP SOME WATER, YOU KNOW, OUT IN THAT AREA.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND OBVIOUSLY THE SEWER, UM, THAT'S A BIG THING IS YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU GIVE THEM WATER, YOU GOTTA BE ABLE TO TREAT THE SEWER.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE INI HAS BEEN SUCH A BIG THING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET SOME OF THAT WATER OUT AND FREE UP THAT CAPACITY.
UM, WHAT ABOUT DATA CENTERS? UM, A LOT OF THEM ARE, ARE, I THINK ARE RECIRCULATING IT FOR COOLING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT DUMPING AS MUCH, UH, YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF THEM NOW ARE TRYING TO CUT BACK, I THINK, ON HOW MUCH ORDER THEY USE AS WELL.
A LOT OF YOUR BIGGER, AND WE, WE USED TO, SEWER METERS WAS A BIG THING AT ONE TIME.
WE HAVE LIKE ONE LEFT NOW, BUT YEAH, IT USED TO BE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO PAY, PAY WHAT THEY WERE YEAH.
UM, BUT YEAH, OF COURSE, I MEAN LIKE ANY BIG DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE STATE REGS, UM, NOW IT'S PER AVERAGE OR OUR AREA IS CONSIDERED 2.6 PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD, A HUNDRED GALLONS A DAY.
SO YOU FIGURE AN AVERAGE HOUSE HOUSEHOLD A SAVES ABOUT 260 GALLONS A DAY.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA ROUGHLY WHAT YOU KNOW OFF THE STATE REGULATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE USE 2.6 PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD PER DAY IS HOW MANY GALLONS.
UH, AND THEN TIMES A HUNDRED GALLONS.
SO LIKE THAT WOULD BE 260 GALLONS PER HOUSEHOLD.
AND I THINK IT LAST YEAR BEFORE LAST CHANGED.
SO YOU FIGURE A HUNDRED GALLONS PER DAY PER PERSON.
THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE SCAT REGS THE LAST TIME WE HAD PULLED IT.
SO IF, IF YOU ADDED ON ANOTHER 500 HOUSES, IT'D BE 130,000 GALLONS, SOMETHING PER DAY THAT SURE.
UM, JUST BACK OF THE ENVELOPE, YOU KNOW.
'CAUSE IF PEOPLE CAN COMPLAINING OR CONCERNED OF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD 10 MORE HOUSES, WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET THE WATER? FROM WHAT I'M HEARING YOU, WE HAVE SELF-IMPOSED REGULATIONS ON RESTRICTION, BUT THE AMOUNT OF WATER ACTUALLY AVAILABLE IS STILL THERE.
SO FOR FIVE, IF WE WERE, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF ADDITIONAL HOMES, NOT THOUSANDS BEING BUILT INTO THE CATTLE.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY IN THE NOISE.
THE BIGGEST THING FOR US WOULD BE WHEN WE GO BACK TO RENEW PERMIT, IF WE WANT MORE WATER, IT'LL REQUIRE UPGRADES.
LIKE AT THE RIVER, LIKE TO THE RIVER SCREENS.
BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR YEAH.
WE STILL HAVE, WE STILL HAVE SOME, YEAH.
WE STILL HAVE SOME LEEWAY THAT WE WE'RE ONLY MAYBE HALF YES.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE WATER.
WELL, I'M, I'M LISTENING TO CONCERNS TO PEOPLE THAT, THAT ALL THEY SEE IS A DRY PIPE HANGING OUT THERE IN THE FUTURE AND NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT WAS JUST EXPLAINED.
AND I MEAN, ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS, YOU KNOW, TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE.
YOU KNOW, AND REUSE WATER IS ALWAYS A PLUS, YOU KNOW? UM, DEFINITELY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY LIKE THIS YEAR WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO LOOK FOR DIFFERENT WAYS TO REWATER FROM LIKE THE WASTEWATER PLANT OR DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU KNOW, OTHER AREAS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CAN USE IT FOR THE TOWN TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, CUT BACK WATER USAGE.
AND NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO THE, THE CASE SPRINGS TO, TO, TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.
UM, WAS THE TEST WELL APPROVED YET? THAT'S CON CONFUSED THAT THAT'S CONFUS.
SO WE GAVE THE ENGINEER THE OKAY.
TO SEE IF IT WOULD BE EVEN BE FEASIBLE.
THAT WHAT DO YOU MEAN, FEASIBLE TO DO A TEST? WELL, YES.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE A, UM, THEY'RE, WELL PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE SITE AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY, I GUESS THEY HAVE A TEST THEY CAN DO TO SEE IF IT'S EVEN WORTH DRILLING THE, WELL, IF THEY THINK THERE'S WATER, ENOUGH WATER THERE, IT'LL TAKE SOME SAMPLES.
AND THEY HAVE A SYSTEM, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT THEY CAN ACTUALLY KIND OF CHECK AHEAD OF TIME TO SEE IF IT'S EVEN FEASIBLE TO DRILL
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A WELL.DO THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE IF, UH, FOR, FOR THOSE WELLS? HOW MANY GALLONS A MINUTE THAT THEY WOULD EXPECT IN ORDER TO DECLARE VICTORY? NOT YET.
UM, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH SOME OF THAT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T YET.
THEY LITERALLY GOT CUT LOOSE, UH, LAST MONTH.
UM, SO I WOULD IMAGINE PROBABLY TOWARDS, UH, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, LATE NOVEMBER, EARLY DECEMBER, WE'LL PROBABLY BE GETTING SOMETHING FROM THEM, UH, WITH SOME, WITH SOME COSTS ASSOCIATED, WHAT IT WOULD BE IF WE WANTED TO DO SOME WELLS AND, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
IT COULD BE USED IN THE COMMERCIAL SENSE MORE THAN ONE THAT, YEAH.
I, I THINK THE MAIN POINT IS THAT, THAT THERE'S NO, THERE ISN'T A SHORTAGE OF WATER EVEN WHEN WE'RE GONNA DROP SITUATION.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE STILL WANT PEOPLE TO CONSERVE AND NOT WASTE WATER, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE NOW IF YOU GO TO DOING THAT, OBVIOUSLY THAT DOESN'T HELP.
YOU KNOW, AND WE DO HAVE SOME LARGE INDUSTRIAL USERS, UM, THAT HAVE WITHDRAWAL PERMITS, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DRAW TO A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, BUT A LOT OF 'EM DON'T USE THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T WANNA PAY FOR THE WATER.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THING TOO, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD START USING THAT WATER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT FOR US, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE NOT USING THIS WATER, BUT THEY'RE PERMITTED UP TO THAT, UM, DRIVE ON THAT.
BECAUSE THEY'RE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH.
BECAUSE IT'S PERMITTED TO THEM.
SO IF THEY WANTED IT, THEY COULD TAKE IT.
SO, SO YOU, YOU CLEANED, UH, AND YOU GAVE A NUMBER FOR HOW, UH, MILLION GALLON OF SEWAGE YOU PROCESSED.
AND THEN THEY, THE CLEAN WATER GOES BACK INTO THE RIVER.
AND WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE SLAB? IT COMES OUT, UM, SO WE, UH, WE PUT IT THROUGH AN AAB SYSTEM THAT DRIES IT.
AND, UH, BECAUSE THE DRYER IT IS FOR US, THE BETTER IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PAY TO BY THE WEIGHT TO LANDFILL IT.
SO THE WEATHER IT IS, THE MORE WE HAVE TO AND MORE COST IT IS.
UM, SO WE RUN THROUGH THE AEDS.
UM, IT RUNS A HUNDRED SOME DEGREES.
WE LET IT DRY, AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BUILDING.
WE PUT IT IN, WE LET IT SET, AND THEN WE LOAD IT ON CONTAINERS.
AND WE, UH, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A, A COMPANY THAT HALS IT TO A BATTLE, UH, BATTLE CREEK BATTLEFIELD, UH, PAGE COUNTY LANDFILL.
YOU COULDN'T SELL AT THE TIME BECAUSE YOU SELL IT AS FERTILIZER.
UM, IT'S A WHOLE PILE OF STUFF YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
UM, WE TRIED SOME TESTS ONE TIME AND WE, WE COULDN'T GET IT THERE.
UM, NOT SAYING DOWN THE ROAD, IT MAYBE NOT POSSIBLE WHAT IT IS.
AND THE REQUIREMENTS, THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS ARE UNBELIEVABLE.
A CREEK CLEAN DEAL, CITY OF MILWAUKEE DOES THAT IN THE, THE FERTILIZER CALLED
LOUDOUN COUNTY, I THINK WAS GOING IT AT ONE TIME.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY STILL ARE NOW OR NOT.
SEWAGE CAPACITY, HOW MUCH MORE SEWAGE CAPACITY WE HAVE TO BE WITHOUT DOING MORE CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE, UH, WE'RE PERMITTED FOR FIVE THREE.
WE COULD GO BACK AND ASK FOR MORE.
UH, WE ACTUALLY, WE WE'RE, UH, WE'RE FINISHING UP HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.
UM, WE ARE REPLACING, UH, WHEN THE I INFLUENT PUMP TAKES ALL THE WASTEWATER COMING INTO THE WASTEWATER DRIP PLANT.
THERE WAS TWO BIG, TWO SMALL PUMPS.
UM, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF REPLACING THOSE PUMPS.
SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT FINISHED UP NOW.
UM, ALL THE DEW PUMPS ARE IN, UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO HEAD AWAY ON THE VFE CABINETS.
'CAUSE LIKE EVERYTHING NOW TAKES FOREVER TO GET STUFF.
UM, BUT ONCE THOSE ARE DONE, TECHNICALLY, I MEAN, LIKE IN A RAIN, WE COULD PUMP, UH, OVER 12 MILLION GALLONS THROUGH THE PLANT.
UM, BUT WE'RE ONLY PERMITTED FOR FIVE THREE.
UM, SO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF, IF WE GOT TO WHERE WE NEEDED MORE CAPACITY, UM, AND THEN ACTUALLY ONCE WE HIT OUR LIMIT, 90% OF OUR LIMIT FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO EQ THE PLAN OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT YOU GO BACK TO THE STATE FOR THAT PERMIT.
AND ACTUALLY, SAME WAY WITH THE WATER.
IF, IF WE, IF WE HAD OUR WITHDRAWAL PERMIT FOR THREE MONTHS CONSECUTIVE, THE 9% OF IT, THEY WOULD WANT TO KNOW IF THIS IS GONNA CONTINUE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WHAT'S YOUR PLAN? YEAH.
SO OUR, JUST, JUST TO GO BACK, HOW MUCH HEADWAY DO WE HAVE TODAY WITHOUT HAVING TO GET A NEW, UM, UH, MORE PERMISSION FOR SEWAGE? FOR SEWAGE? UH, WE'RE AT FIVE THREE.
SO YOU'RE ABOUT 800,000 GALLONS.
HOPEFULLY AS WE, WE FIX SOME OF THE EYE TO EYE, KEEP WORKING ON THAT, UM, THAT NUMBER WILL CONTINUE TO COME DOWN.
I'LL GO BACK TO MY 130,000, ASSUMING THAT GOES IN, PLUS THE 30% OF LEAKAGE OR WHATEVER.
BUT THOSE WOULD BE NEW PIPES THAT STILL BE WELL WITHIN WHAT YOUR CURRENT CAPACITY IS.
SO, AND LIKE I SAID, AND AS WE DO THE WORK, CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT NOW, HOPEFULLY THAT NUMBER WILL GO DOWN.
I MEAN, IT'S COME DOWN A FAIR BIT.
AND WE'RE GETTING READY, UH, TO DO SOME FLOW METERING.
UM, TO SEE WHAT BASIN AREAS ARE STILL GETTING A LOT OF WATER SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE TO GO NEXT.
WE HAVE THAT ONE DEVELOPMENT'S 105 HOMES AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL 90 APARTMENTS PLUS.
AND IF WE ASSUME, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER, UM,
THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, OLDER HOUSES IN OUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF 'EM STILL WOULD'VE PLAY PIPE.
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AND, UH, GRAINS.THANKS TO TREE ROOTS AND TIME
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
WELL, WE'RE TAKING A LOT OF TIME.
SORRY, BUT YOU, YOU CLEARED UP THIS FOR THIS FOR AT LEAST MY MIND FOR THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE CERTAINLY KNOWN ABOUT NOW, THERE IS NOT A WARRANTS ORDER AND SEWER CONCERN ABOUT CAPACITY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT THE WEATHER WILL DO DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, THE LAST COUPLE YEARS HAVE BEEN DRIER THAN YOU KNOW, BEFORE, BUT YEAH.
AND LIKE I SAID, IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK, UPDATE OUR PERMIT TO ASK FOR MORE WATER, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA, THERE'S GONNA BE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP TO DATE ON THAT'S GONNA COST US MONEY.
UM, BUT TOO BAD THAT ALL THIS RAIN DOESN'T HELP HELP THE PROBLEM.
IT WILL FOR A LITTLE BIT FOR A COUPLE WEEKS, THEN IT'LL BE BACK DOWN GROUND WATER TOO.
PEOPLE DON'T NEED WATER ALARMS AFTER, AFTER THIS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MUCH REALLY APPRECIATE.
YOU CLEARED UP A FEW THINGS THERE.
ALL THIS DATA IS, IS REALLY VALUABLE.
IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT WE CAN GET A COPY? YEAH, I CAN SEND IT TO, UH, CONNIE OR LAUREN.
YEAH, I'LL SEND IT IN THE MORNING WHEN I GET IN.
SO QUESTIONS COME UP AGAIN, GUYS.
YOU'LL HAVE THE DATA AT YOUR
OKAY, NOW ALONG WAY IS NEXT TITLE BUSINESS.
IF YOU, UH, LET ME GET ONE, PULL IT UP ON HERE.
SO YOU LOOK AT IT, WE ALL HAVE COPIES.
YEAH, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT THE, UH, OH, YOU'VE GOT THE RELEVANT PAGES.
LAUREN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE, UH, THE NEXT TOPIC? I CAN GET MY COMPUTER TURNED OFF.
SO ALL OF YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE DRAFT ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO ONE OF THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DECIDE TONIGHT IS HOW WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO TACKLE GOING WORK BY WORD THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT? SO TONIGHT I WANTED TO JUST GO OVER THE FIRST DIVISION.
IT'S ONLY THREE PAGES, BUT THE NEXT COUPLE OF DIVISIONS ARE NOT JUST GONNA BE THREE PAGES.
AND THEN WHEN WE START GETTING INTO THE ACTUAL ZONES, THERE'S GONNA BE A, A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND A LOT OF ANALYSIS AND CRITICAL THINKING OF, IS THIS APPROPRIATE AND HOW WE WANT THIS WORDED.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, DOES THIS BODY WANT TO HAVE SPECIAL WORK SESSIONS TO JUST HANDLE THE ZONING ORDINANCE MOVING FORWARD? ONLY WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH IT.
THIS MAKES FOR LONG NIGHTS WHEN YOU HAVE APPLICATIONS AND THEN YOU WANT HAVE TO DIG INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
I, I THINK, I THINK WE DO NEED SPECIAL, SPECIAL WORK SESSIONS WHERE WE COME WITH OUR CARD COPY AND WE GO THROUGH PAGE BY PAGE IN PARAGRAPH PARAGRAPH.
UM, SO WHAT I WILL HAVE BONNIE DO IS SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO ALL OF YOU, AND THEN LET'S START GETTING, UM, JUST A GENERAL, YOU KNOW, NIGHT TIME.
DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ONE OF THOSE CALENDARY, UH, TYPE, UH, PROGRAM PROGRAMS? THE DOODLES, THE DOODLE DOCS? YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT YOU CAN, THE DOODLES WE CAN, UM, I THINK WE CAN NEED FIGURE, SO, UM, GUYS, I, I THINK TWO HOURS WOULD BE ABOUT THE LIMIT OF THE MEETING PRODUCTIVITY, UNLESS YOU THINK YOU FOR LONGER.
SO THE IDEA IS JUST TO BRING IN AND THEN START REVIEWING IT THERE AND, AND TOGETHER AS OPPOSED TO WELL, YOU NEED TO HAVE REVIEWED IT AHEAD OF TIME.
BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY HAPPY TO BRING YOUR IDEAS.
BRING YOUR IDEAS, SHARE THEM WITH THE GROUP, AND THAT'S WHERE WE START HASHING IT OUT.
DO, DO YOU HAVE LAUREN A A DOCUMENT THAT HAS INTEGRATED ALL THE COMMENTS YOU'VE GOTTEN FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE COMMENTS? I'VE ONLY RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM MR. NEIL AND YOU.
SO AS WE START GETTING OTHER COMMENTS, WE CAN MAKE A MASTER DOCUMENT OF COMMENTS.
BUT THERE CURRENTLY ISN'T WHAT NO, I'VE BEEN GOING OFF MR. NEIL'S BECAUSE HE TYPED HIS COMMENTS IN, I PUT IN SOFT COPY.
AND SO THE THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT AS I GET THESE COMMENTS, OR EVEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN TRY TO SET UP A GOOGLE DOC OR A SHAREABLE DOCUMENT WHERE EVERYBODY CAN JUST START WRITING THEIR COMMENTS IN, IN A DIFFERENT COLOR.
BUT EACH OF YOU CAN PICK A DIFFERENT COLOR, A DIFFERENT FONT, AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN KEEP TRACK OF WHO'S COMMENTING WHAT.
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BUT IN THAT CASE, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS I WOULD NEED YOU TO INPUT YOUR COMMENTS INTO THAT DOCUMENT PRIOR TO THE WORK SESSION, PRIOR TO THE MEETING OR TO THE WORK SESSION.AND THAT WAY EVERYBODY HAS IT AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS.
AND THE IMPORTANT THING TOO IS GOING TO BE THAT, YOU KNOW, GEORGE OR AMANDA CAN SEE IT IF YOU'RE STARTING TO TWEAK LANGUAGE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S WRITTEN PROPERLY.
UH, IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT YOU'RE A TECHNOLOGICALLY PROFICIENT? YOU CAN USE WITH THE GOOGLE DOCUMENT IN TECHNOLOGY.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE, SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL NOT.
FORTUNATELY WORD, WORD IS KIND EASY TO WRITE IT IN THE BOOK, TALK ABOUT IT WHEN WE GET THERE.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, WE CAN TYPE WRITING IN YOUR COLOR
BUT THE DRAFT DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE, WHERE WE HAVE TEXTS THAT WAS PULLED FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS, UM, EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN OUR ORIGINAL ZONING ORDINANCE OR FROM OUR CONFERENCE PLAN IS IN LIKE TIMES NEW ROMAN AND ITS BLUE.
ANYTHING THAT'S AERIAL OR BLACK IS FROM OTHER CODES.
AND SO EVERYTHING'S SORT OF BEEN PULLED TOGETHER TO CREATE OUR NEW DRAFT.
UH, BUT THEN AT LEAST YOU CAN SEE WHERE THINGS ORIGINATED FROM AND, UM, TRY TO KEEP IT ORGANIZED.
AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THE FINAL DRAFT AND FINAL DOCUMENT, EVERYTHING WILL THEN BE CONVERTED INTO ONE COHESIVE FORMAT.
WELL, I GUESS THE NEXT STEP IS LET'S, LET'S WAIT FOR EMAIL FROM CONNIE WITH CALENDAR OPTIONS.
WE'LL TRY TO SEND YOU LIKE A NEW, AND WHAT TIMEFRAME ARE WE TRYING TO GET THIS COMPLETED WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS? UM, THAT WOULD BE VERY OPTIMISTIC SINCE IT'S THE HOLIDAY SEASON COMING UP SHORTLY.
JUST WANTED TO, AND I MEAN, WHAT WE CAN EVEN DO IS HAVE WORK SESSIONS ON THIS AFTER OUR REGULAR MEETINGS OR BEFORE REGULAR MEETINGS THAT EVERYBODY'S ALREADY AVAILABLE THAT NIGHT.
IS THERE ANY EXTERNAL ACTION FORCING YOU, ANYBODY? THERE ISN'T ANY EXTERNAL DEADLINE INION FROM NO COUNSEL OR ANYTHING.
THIS BODY HAS TO BY LAW REVIEW THIS DOCUMENT AND HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.
AND I HAVE A FEELING IT'S PROBABLY BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNSEL.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL.
THEN YOU SEND THE DOCUMENTS TO THEM.
BUT THEY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL.
AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULD SEND IT BACK AND THEN WE WOULD KEEP GOING UNTIL EVERYBODY'S HAPPY.
AND DO YOU WANNA KEEP ANY EXTRA WORK SESSIONS ON WEDNESDAY NIGHTS? BECAUSE WE DO HAVE MEETINGS OTHER NIGHTS OF THE WEEK.
MONDAYS, TUESDAYS, AND SOMETIMES THURSDAYS.
SO DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER STANDING MEETINGS ON WEDNESDAYS? NO.
SO YOU'RE FREE ON WEDNESDAY, RIGHT? WE ARE FREE ON WEDNESDAYS.
AND IF I CAN'T MAKE A WEDNESDAY, I'LL HAVE STAFF IN.
AND HOW, HOW ABOUT YOU ALL? AS FAR AS I KNOW, MR. MIKE, UH, WE'LL ASSUME THAT, THAT, UH, SILENCE GIVES CONSENT ON PART OF MR. ROSA
SO, UM, WE, WEDNESDAYS ARE, WEDNESDAYS ARE, ARE GOOD FOR ME.
UH, IS SIX O'CLOCK GOOD? COULD ANYBODY DO IT EARLIER AGAIN? WHAT TIME DO YOU GET WHAT TIME THROW? JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
OH, I THAT PROBABLY FIVE AT THE EARLIEST FOR ME.
WELL, LET'S AIM FOR A POSSIBILITY FOR, NO, THAT'S PUSHING.
I DIDN'T GET BACK TO TOWN UNTIL FIVE 20 TODAY.
SO
I MEAN, I'VE GOTTEN, I'VE GOTTEN, GOTTEN READY AND A LOT LESS.
SO DO WE WANNA SHOOT FOR FIVE 30? LET'S SEE IF IT WORKS.
JUST THROW IT OUT THERE AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN LET ME KNOW AND MAKE IT AS WELL.
WELL NOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE FIRST THREE PAGES.
NOW THAT WE KNOW WHO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT FOR REST, WHAT, WHAT, WHEN'S THE OF THE MONTH ARE YOU WANTING EVERYONE, ANY OTHERS THAT ARE NOT PLANNING, COMMISSION, WORK SESSION, OR PLANNING COMMISSION? SO FIRST, SECOND, THIRD, AND FOURTH WEDNESDAYS
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YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD YOU LIKE, WELL, IN ORDER TO MOVE IT ALONG AT AN EXPEDITIOUS RATE, WHICH IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, DOESN'T THAT EXPEDITED? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EVERY WEDNESDAY EXPEDITED, LIKE JUST ONE EXTRA WEDNESDAY A MONTH.WELL, NO, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY GERMAN COMING OUT THAT IF YOU'VE GOT A JOB TO DO, LET'S DO IT TIME TOGETHER.
BUT IF, IF THAT SENSE OF URGENCY IS NOT FELT BY THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE, THE STAFF OR BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I'M HAPPY WITH ONLY ONE EXTRA WEDNESDAY A MONTH.
I WOULD THINK I WAS ASSUMING THAT'S A LIKE FOURTH WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH.
BUT THAT'S MEETING ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WEEK.
COUNCIL MEETING ON THE FOURTH MONDAY.
THAT'S THE ONLY WEEK THAT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO, RIGHT? UM, UNLESS PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GIVE, LIKE ON SATURDAY.
OH, THE THING IS, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
I MEAN, THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY, LIKE IN NOVEMBER'S GONNA BE THANKSGIVING WEEK, THEN THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY OF DECEMBER, CHRISTMAS DAY.
SO YOU MAY WANT TO PICK THE SECOND WEDNESDAY, OTHER MONTH.
I'M JUST TO GET YOU OFF THE GROUND.
I'M JUST, BECAUSE YOU'RE RUNNING INTO, YOU KNOW, HOLIDAYS THERE ON NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.
UH, JUST TO BRING THAT OUT CALENDAR, UM, WENT TO YEP.
SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH'S.
WELL WE DO, UH, FOR NEXT, FOR NOVEMBER, HAVE WE RECEIVED THE APPLICATIONS FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOVEMBER? WE HAVEN'T.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA SO FAR THAT I'M AWARE OF.
I THINK THE DEADLINE'S MONDAY UHHUH FOR THE NOVEMBER.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THE MM-HMM.
AND THEN YOU COULD ALWAYS, IF IT IS LIGHT AND UH, THEN WE CAN, WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICATION IN.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT, THAT'S GOING ON THE CONSENT FOR PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THE DEADLINE IS MONDAY THE SEVENTH.
SO WE DO HAVE, UH, THREE DAYS, DAYS WE MAY RECEIVE AN APPLICATION.
UH, SO POTENTIALLY YOU COULD HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THE FIRST MONDAY TO, TO DO THE, THE FIRST WEDNESDAY, FIRST WEDNESDAY OF NOVEMBER.
THE 13TH WOULD BE THE IRREGULAR MEETING.
WE MAY NOT HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR YOU TO HEAR THAT WEDNESDAY, AND YOU COULD ALMOST, UM, USE WORK SESSIONS ON YOUR PUBLIC HEARING DAYS.
SO WE HAVE A MEETING THAT LASTS 15 MINUTES AND THEN WE GO INTO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST BRINGING THAT OUT.
UH, SO POTENTIALLY YOU COULD HAVE THREE WORK SESSIONS IN NOVEMBER.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, OCTOBER 7TH IS THE DEADLINE FOR APPLICATIONS.
JUST TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION, YOU COULD FINISH UP THREE WORK SESSIONS IN NOVEMBER.
WELL, WHEN CONNIE, WHEN YOU SEND US OUT OUR CALENDAR, UH, THING, BUT INSTEAD WAIT UNTIL MONDAY TO SENDS OUT AND THEN YOU'LL KNOW IF WE GOT YEAH.
AND DO THAT DOUBLE UP ON, ON OUR MEETINGS.
NOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE, UH, THE PAGE.
THE, THE, THE FIRST THOUGHT I HAD WAS, IS THERE GOING TO BE AN INDEX OF LIKE A TABLE CONTENTS? YEAH.
SO, I MEAN, IN THE DIGITAL VERSION IT IS INDEXED.
UM, OH, THAT'S JUST A SURVIVING TO THE PRINTED VERSION.
SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS THAT, I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN ADD AN INDEX IN THERE, BUT LIKE OUR CURRENT CODE DOES NOT HAVE AN INDEX.
WE JUST KNOW WHERE THINGS ARE.
IT'S AN INDEX, THE CURRENT ONE.
OH, YOU MEAN NO, IM THINKING OF THE OVERALL, RIGHT.
BUT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE DON'T HAVE A, UNLESS I'VE MISSED IT FOR THREE YEARS, A TABLE OF CONTENT THAT TELLS US WHERE EXACTLY TO GO TO.
I HAVE TO LOOK, LET ME LOOK RIGHT NOW.
SO WE CAN ADD THIS IN IF, YEAH, WE CAN ADD THIS IN.
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CAN CREATE A NEW ONE AND IT WILL, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY GENERATED FOR US IN THAT CURRENT DOCUMENT.UM, AND I THINK IT'S JUST CLICKING A COUPLE BUTTONS AND THEN ADDING, OKAY.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE OUR DIGITAL COPY AS WELL AS A PRINT COPY.
I THINK WE HAVE THE AVAILABILITY OF THE, OF THE CODE ELECTRONICALLY.
SO YOU JUST, YOU JUST TYPE IN THE CHAPTER AND GO TO IT.
WELL, MAYBE I'D BE IN A DINOSAUR TO THINK OF SUCH THINGS AS
SO WHEN I, WHEN I PULL THIS UP, I HAVE IT IN A WORD DOCUMENT AND I JUST OKAY.
JUST START SEARCHING FOR WORDS THAT I NEED.
SO THE PEOPLE THINKING OF THE END USERS, THE PEOPLE WHO USE THIS, THE PUBLIC WHO NEED TO KNOW SOMETHING IS THIS, WOULD IT, WOULD THIS THEY DO.
THEY, THEY LOOK AT IT DIGITALLY.
SO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE TABLE OF CONTENTS.
GENERAL PROVISIONS, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT? I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER LAWS, JUST ON THE GENERAL PURPOSE INTENT OF THAT FIRST SECTION.
WE DO LOOK SEVERAL OTHER TOWNS, WHICH WHAT I DID WAS JUST DO COMPARISON TO SEE IF THEY BROUGHT IT, IT WAS ALL CONSISTENT WITH OUR FACT, FACT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CAME FROM ORIGINALLY.
BUT ANYWAY, JUST TO WHAT, ANYWAY, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
SO, SO THESE ARE THE PURPOSES OF THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, RELATIONSHIP TO OTHERWISE 1.2.
UM, AND THE, THE, TELL US AGAIN, LAUREN, WHAT THE GREEN, UM, THAT DRAFT MEANS.
UM, THIS JUST KIND OF TIES BACK TO, UM, LIKE THIS EXPLAINS THE NEXT DIVISION WHERE LIKE NON-CONFORMING USES WILL BE TALKED ABOUT.
SO THEY MENTION IT HERE, BUT THEY'RE SAYING LIKE THE, UM, UM, NON-CONFORMING USES BASICALLY ARE GONNA BE REGULATED BY DIVISION 2.4.
SO WE HAVE AN ENABLING STATUTE HERE IN 1.27, BUT DIVISION 2.4 IS GONNA GO INTO ALL THE DETAIL.
SO THAT'S THAT, THAT GREEN IS JUST CALLING OUR ATTENTION.
AND THE ONLY REASON WE STILL HAVEN'T HIGHLIGHTED IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE, THESE NUMBERS AREN'T FINAL UNTIL JOHN COUNCIL ADOPTS UNTIL WE HAVE THE FINAL DRAFT, UNTIL THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL CHANGES.
SO THAT'S JUST FOR STAFF TO REFERENCE TO KNOW WHEN WE NEED TO, WHAT WE NEED TO CHANGE AS THIS EVOLVES.
SO THAT'S FOR STAFF'S BENEFIT.
THE TOWN IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR A, B, C AND D.
DO WE NEED TO SAY IN THERE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE? NO, I MEAN, IT SAYS THE TOWN WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING OR ENFORCING PRIVATE EASEMENTS, COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS.
ALTHOUGH THE COUNTY MAY ACQUIRE IF LAND IS SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENTS, COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS DURING THE REVIEW OF DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, PRIVATE EASEMENTS, COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS, NOTWITHSTANDING ALL DEVELOPMENT, UNLESS EXPRESSLY EXEMPTED BY THIS ORDINANCE, MUST COMPLY WITH THIS ORDINANCES MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS JUST BY THEIR OWN, BY THEIR VERY NATURE, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASICALLY DONE BY THE DEED DOCUMENT, THE, AND THAT CREATES THEM THAT CREATE THE EASEMENT.
AND WE'RE NOT PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE TO CITIZENS WHO WANT US TO INTERPRET THEIR PRIVATE EASEMENTS.
WHICH WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT.
SO THAT, THAT GETS THE TOWN OFF THE HOOK.
SO THIS KIND OF COVERS US NUISANCE OF NUISANCE REQUESTS.
ANY, ANY THOUGHTS? ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? NO.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU HAVE MARKED I IN MY, WHAT I SENT TO LAUREN ORIGINALLY? I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THAT WITH ME.
NOTHING JUMPS OFF THE PAGE AS A MEMO.
UM, YOU HAD, YOU HAD A COMMENT
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WHEN WE GOT DOWN TO, UM, EMAIL? YEAH.UNFORTUNATELY WE GOT ACCESS TO 360 TODAY AND I HAVEN'T UPLOADED THOSE THINGS FROM MY OWN COMPUTER TO IT.
1.2 0.9 EXEMPTIONS, RAILROAD AND PUBLIC UTILITIES.
ARE SOLAR FARMS ON PRIVATE LAND CONSIDERED PUBLICLY UTIL? WE DON'T HAVE NET
SO, UM, BUT A SOLAR FARM ISN'T JUST A, I MEAN SOLAR FARM IS AN ACTUAL, WELL IT'S A USE THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN OUR CURRENT WORKPLACE, BUT, UM, BUT DON'T WE HAVE A LITTLE ONE? THE TOWN DOES.
PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED.
WELL, BUT SOMEBODY PUTTING A COUPLE SOLAR PANELS UP ON THEIR ROOF IS NOT ROOF.
OBVIOUSLY NOT A SOLAR FARM, BUT, BUT THE SOLAR FARMS PRIVATELY OWNED.
BUT IS IT EXEMPTED, UH, FROM THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE OR IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT UP ANOTHER ONE? NO, THEY WOULD NEED TO, IT WOULD NEED TO BE MENTIONED IN, I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF HAVING A PERFORMANCE STANDARD CHAPTER FOR SOLAR FARMS AND SOLAR USES.
SO THAT WOULD BE LATER THAT SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED UNDER EXEMPTIONS IS ALL I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
SO LOUIS, YOUR COMMENT WAS IN SECTION 1.2 0.2, UM, WHERE IT SAYS, IF A PROVISION OF THIS ORDINANCE IS INCONSISTENT WITH ANOTHER PROVISION OF THIS ORDINANCE OR WITH A PROVISION FOUND IN OTHER CODE ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN, THE PROVISION THAT IMPOSES GREATER RESTRICTIONS OR MORE STRINGENT CONTROLS WILL COVER.
HE WROTE CONCERN THAT THIS WILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO INVALIDATE OTHER ORDINANCES OR REGULATIONS WITHOUT REGARD TO A GIVEN CIRCUMSTANCE.
WE CANNOT FORESEE EVERY POSSIBLE ORDINANCE OR CIRCUMSTANCE SUGGEST CHANGING THE LAST SENTENCE TO THE PROVISION THAT IMPOSES GREATER RESTRICTIONS OR MORE STRINGENT CONTROLS WILL GOVERN UNLESS OTHERWISE EXPRESSLY STATED OR MODIFIED BY THE APPEAL PROCESS.
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT LANGUAGE FROM? WELL, THAT WAS JUST MADE UP TO GO ON WITH WHAT THEY WERE ASKING ON HERE.
THAT WAS JUST A CONCERN BECAUSE THIS, LIKE, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS LIKE, LIKE WITH URBAN AGRICULTURE, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR URBAN AGRICULTURE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS CONFLICT WITH, I THINK IT'S CHAPTER 40 TOWN CODE THAT DEALS WITH ANIMALS AND THERE'S SOME INCONSISTENCIES IN REGARDS TO SLAUGHTER AND WHAT TYPES OF ANIMALS ARE ALLOWED.
SO IN OUR CASE, WE'RE HAVING TO HOLD, LIKE WE JUST NATURALLY HOLD TO THE STRICTER STANDARDS.
UM, BUT THIS JUST GIVES US, THIS JUST PUTS IT IN WRITING IN OUR CURRENT CODE THAT THE STRICTER STANDARD COPIES.
DO YOU THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE LANGUAGE WITHIN APPEAL? IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE NEED, SHOULD HAVE MORE WIGGLE ROOM THERE.
THAT'S IN A DIFFERENT SECTION IN THERE'S ORDINANCE, RIGHT? URBAN, THE APPEALS PROCESS.
SO YOUR CONCERN, ALAN, IS THAT IF THERE IS AN APPEAL, YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T POSSIBLY ANTICIPATE EVERYTHING THAT COULD HAPPEN.
AND IF WE, WE CAN BOX OURSELVES IN AND NOT LEAVE THIS THE WAY OF APPEALING TO MAKE IT MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THE STRICTER STANDARD THAT THAT WAS A CONCERN AT THE TIME.
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OKAY.NOT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I DON'T THINK WE DO, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T OKAY, THANK YOU.
AND SO THAT IS THE END OF THE THREE PAGES.
WE HAD TO DEAL WITH TIME PENDING WITH THE WORD HE INCLUDES.
THERE ARE NO OTHER, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT STAFF OR LEGAL TO LOOK AT IN THIS SECTION? CONSTRUCTION HERE? NOTHING ELSE JUMPS OUT.
A COMMENT IF I MAKING SECTION? OKAY.
SO FOUR PAGE I THINK WAS JUST SOMEONE I, I NEED MY OTHER DOCUMENT.
HOW LEGAL LANGUAGE IS REACTING TO CURRENT CHANGES IN USAGE? SO IN A, IT SAYS WORDS IN THE PRESENT TENSE INCLUDE THE FUTURE TENSE WORDS IN THE SINGULAR INCLUDE THE PLURAL WORDS IN PLURAL INCLUDE THE SINK.
AND THEN DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE THREE IT SAYS WORD.
HE INCLUDES SHE AND THEY, UM, THE THEY IS PLURAL AND HE, SHE IS SINGULAR.
SO I'M REALIZING USAGE THAT CAN NOW BE DIFFERENT, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED TO, WHEN YOU'VE GOT ONE PLAINTIFF VERSUS TWO PLAINTIFF, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SINGLE AND FLOW.
IS THAT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT? WELL, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT ALL OF THESE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'M SEEING THESE TO MAKE SURE.
SO I KNOW THAT THE, THE CHANGING STANDARDS OF COURT USAGE YES.
SOMETIMES CAN CONFOUND THE LAW.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE KEEP THE LANGUAGE WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
I'M LOOKING AT THAT WHOLE SECTION.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S THE OLD WORD IT THAT MIGHT, I GUESS THAT COULD BE SINGULAR.
THE REST OF THIS IS PRETTY, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF CONFLICT WITH THESE PAGES.
ONLY TOOK US 15 MINUTES JUST, BUT THESE FIRST COUPLE OF DIVISIONS WILL BE PRETTY EASY.
BUT ONCE WE GET INTO THE ZONES YEAH.
AND WHAT SHOULD BE SPECIAL USE, WHAT SHOULD BE BY RIGHT.
LOOKING AT THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS AND ACTUALLY THE DISCUSSION ON THAT WILL BE GOOD TO HAVE A GROUP INSTEAD OF JUST INDIVIDUAL LOOKING AT.
AND THEN BEYOND THE ZONES, AS WE GET INTO PERFORMANCE STANDARD CHAPTERS, DO WE WANNA HAVE CHAPTERS ON DATA CENTERS? HOW ARE WE INCORPORATING VAPE SHOPS? BECAUSE AS YOU WERE AWARE, COUNCIL TOYING AROUND WITH THE NEW VAPE SHOP ORDINANCE, WHICH THEY WILL EAT IT, SEND TO THIS BODY, HOLD IT PUBLIC HERE, THEN YOU GUYS SEND IT BACK AFTER YOU REVIEWED IT.
AND IT'LL HAVE TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS.
EVENTUALLY, YOU'LL HAVE TO MERGE THOSE TOGETHER.
SO THAT'LL, MY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO THROUGH PRIOR TO THIS GETTING COMPLETED.
SO THAT WILL BE AMENDED IN OUR CURRENT CODE AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MERGE THAT INTO HERE.
YOU HAD, YOU HAD A PLACEHOLDER FOR THE VACANT SHOP STUFF.
WE HAVE A PLACEHOLDER IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW, AND I, I KNOW IF I PUT A FEW WORDS, I DID SEE THE DRAFT BA UH, ORDINANCE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING, THE TOWN COUNCIL WAS LOOKING AT, WHICH HAD SOME OF THE SAME THINGS.
WERE YOU WISHING A MOTION TO ADJOURN MR. GIL? NO.
IS THERE YOU A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.