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WE CALL TO ORDER, UH, BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL[Board of Architectural Review on September 10, 2024.]
REVIEW FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2024.UM, I GIVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
MS. SNYDER, VICE CHAIRMAN VAUGHN? YES.
AND MS. AERS IS ABSENT THIS MORNING.
UM, WE GOT THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM JULY 9TH.
UM, I THINK WE GOT EVERYBODY WE NEED TO DO THAT HERE.
SO TWO, THOSE WERE WORK SESSIONS.
UM, MEETING WITH, DID EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE THAT STUFF? ANY ISSUES? NO.
GOT, UH, APPLICATION 2 4 0 0 4 7 9.
THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR, UH, SUBMITTED BY JULIE WISE CONSTRUCT 25 FOOT BY 35 FOOT GARAGE CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE BY A COVERED WALKWAY AT 2 41 CHURCH.
I THINK JOHN'S GONNA WALK US THROUGH THE, THAT YOU HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF PROP THIS 24 0 0 4 79.
THAT'S 4 25 BY 35 FOOT GARAGE.
UH, SO PART OF TOWN CODE, UH, WHY YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE APPLICATION.
UH, PART OF THE MAJOR REVIEW OR ACTIONS FOR THE BOARD IS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF ANY NEW MAIN BUILDING OR AN ACCESSORY BUILDING, WHICH EXCEEDS 500 SQUARE FOOT IN SIZE.
SO YOU HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS BEFORE YOU.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.
THEN WE HAVE ALSO FOR A NEW MAIN BUILDING OR THE SECOND APPLICATION.
BUT THIS APPLIES TO BOTH APPLICATIONS.
THESE ARE MAJOR ACTIONS FROM THE BAR.
UH, TOWN STAFF CANNOT APPROVE THESE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
THESE ARE MAJOR ACTIONS REQUIRED REVIEW BY THE BAR.
PART OF THE RE UH, FOR MAJOR ACTIONS, UH, THE BAR SHOULD TAKE IN CONSIDERATION OF NEW CONSTRUCTION SHALL FOCUS ON WHETHER THE PLANS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH, WITH AND ENHANCE THE HISTORIC OR ARCHITECTURAL VALUE OF THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES OR THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THAT IS, UH, WE DO HAVE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THERE IS, UH, IT DOES VARY THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AND BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S ONE PART OF YOUR REVIEW.
IF YOU DO, UH, FIND, IT IS A CASE FOR DISAPPROVAL.
YOU CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE APPLICANT WITH RESPECT TO DESIGN THE TEXTURE, MATERIAL, COLOR, UH, AND ET CETERA.
FOR THAT, UH, PROJECT, YOU HAVE TO STATE WHY YOU ARE, UH, DISAPPROVING SOMETHING.
AND THE REASON WHY I, UH, THE GUIDELINES IS WHAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO TAKE IN ACCOUNT FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, THE REVIEWING BODY SHALL CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE LISTED.
THOSE ARE INFORMED WITHIN YOUR PACKET FOR THE GUIDELINES.
UH, MAINLY AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THAT, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC STREET, UH, THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
UH, OTHER FACTORS THAT YOU DEEM PERMANENT ARE PERTINENT TO THE, UH, PROJECT, THE EXTERIOR PART OF THE BUILDINGS.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND THE BUILDINGS OF THE DISTRICT TAKING IN THESE CONSIDERATIONS.
THE GENERAL DESIGN, THE CHARACTER, THE FORM PROPORTION AND SCALE, THE CONFIGURATION, THE MASS ARRANGEMENT, TEXTURE MATERIAL, THE PERMANENT COLLAR OF THE EXTERIOR, EXCLUDING THE PAINT AND RELATIONSHIP OF SUCH ELEMENTS TO SIMILAR FEATURES OF STRUCTURES IN THE MEDIA AREA OR SURROUNDING AREAS AND THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THOSE ARE THE GUIDELINES YOU ARE LOOKING AT FOR THIS APPLICATION TO MAKE YOUR DECISION.
SO THIS IS A, THIS FIRST APPLICATION IS FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, LOCATED HERE AT THE CORNER OF CHURCH IN EAST PROSPECT STREET.
UH, THIS IS THE MAIN HOUSE HERE.
THE GARAGE IS PROPOSED TO GO HERE IN THE REAR OF THE LOT.
UH, THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HOUSE.
THE HOUSE HAS VINYL SIDING AND A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
CURRENTLY, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER VIEW OF THE HOUSE WITH THE STONE WALL IN THE FRONT AND THE SIDE VIEW.
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THERE IS AN EXISTING, UH, BUILDING HERE ON THE LOT.UH, THE HOUSE ITSELF IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UH, BUT IT IS IN VINYL SIDING.
AGAIN, WITHSTANDING SEEING METAL ROOF ON THE PRESENT HOUSE.
UH, THE LOCATION OF THE GARAGE WOULD BE BACK HERE IN THE BACK CORNER.
UH, THIS, THIS IS ENTIRELY FENCED IN.
UH, SO IT'S IN BEHIND THE HOUSE WOULD BE CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE WITH A WALKWAY.
THIS IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO THE LOT SETS, UH, HERE AT 2 41.
AND THE OVERVIEW OF THAT AREA, AGAIN OF 2 41.
THESE LOTS ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO GIVES YOU A GENERAL OVERVIEW.
THE CORNER OF CHURCH STREET AND EAST PROSPECT STREET AT 2 41, UH, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT SOMETHING, UH, AS A VISUAL FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, UH, WITH, UH, THE ROOF.
HOWEVER, IT'LL BE, UH, METAL ROOF LIKE THE HOUSE ARE SIMILAR TO THE HOUSE.
VINYL SIDING SIMILAR TO THE HOUSE GARAGE DOORS.
UH, AN EXAMPLE OF THE GARAGE DOOR AND THE WINDOWS WOULD BE THE SAME AS ON THE HOUSE.
UH, THEY'D BE CLA THE SAME MATERIAL.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOGRAPH IT IS VINYL SIDING.
AND THEY DID DO, UH, ALUMINUM ON THE WINDOWS WHEN THE WINDOWS WERE, UH, PUT IN THE HOUSE AGAIN WHEN THEY FIXED THOSE SOME TIME AGO.
THAT IS SO THE, UH, JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE HOUSE IS VINYL SIDING, METAL ROOF.
THEY ARE IN THE GARAGE WILL BE SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THE HOUSE.
UH, THIS PICTURE DOES AGAIN, SHOW AN ASPHALT ROOF, BUT THEY WILL PUT A STANDING SEAM, METAL ROOF ON THE GARAGE.
SO YOU ARE APPROVING OR DISAPPROVING THE, UH, THE MATERIALS.
UH, IF APPROVED, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME TO GET A ZONING PERMIT, WHICH WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE TOWN STAFF FOR THE LOCATION OF THE GARAGE.
AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR WARREN COUNTY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
SIR, YOU ARE ONLY REVIEWING, APPROVING, OR DISAPPROVING THE MATERIAL, NOT THE STRUCTURE ITSELF AS THE STRUCTURE, BUT NOT FOR THE PLACEMENT.
THE SIZE OF IT AND THE MATERIAL FOR THE ROOFING, THE SIDING, THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS.
YOU'RE NOT APPROVING THE LOCATION ON THE LOT, BUT YOU ARE APPROVING THE STRUCTURE.
THEY'D HAVE TO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR THAT DISTRICT, FOR THE LOCATION FOR THAT.
AND ONCE THAT WOULD BE APPROVED, FOR EXAMPLE, THEN THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY.
UH, WE DID INCLUDE SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT THE APPLICANT DID IN YOUR PACKET.
SO THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THAT, UH, APPLICATION AND, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT THERE.
UM, SO THIS IS A MAJOR ACTION BY THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
STAFF CANNOT APPROVE THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICATION? UM, YEAH.
DO WE KNOW HOW TALL THAT GABLE'S GONNA BE? WHAT THE PITCH OF THE ROOF IS GONNA BE? WE KNOW IT'S 25 BY 35 MM-HMM.
AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE OVERHEAD, IT'S LIKE SUBSTANTIAL COMPARED TO THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, AND THE ONLY THING I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STREET AND THE GARAGE IS GONNA LIKE BE BE LOOMING OVER THE HOUSE.
UH, TOWN CO DOES FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
THEY HAVE TO BE LESS THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE MAIN BUILDING.
LESS THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE MAIN
AND IT IS A TWO STORY HOUSE THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFICATIONS ON THE PITCH.
WE DO NOT HAVE SHOP DRAWINGS ON THE SPECIFIC OF THE LAYOUT OF THE ROOF PITCH.
IS THIS YOU GUYS? WE, YEAH, WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THEM, BUT THE PLANS THAT THE, TO GET ARCHITECTURAL PLANS WAS GONNA BE A THOUSAND DOLLARS OR, OR MORE FROM, FROM THE DIFFERENT PLACES.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS GONNA GO THROUGH OR THAT IT WAS GONNA BE APPROVED BASED ON THE BASIC INFORMATION.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GET STRUCTURAL PLANS DRAWN AND SUBMIT FOR APPROVAL FOR THE, UM, PERMITTING.
IT DOESN'T, DON'T WE NEED ALL THOSE SUBMISSIONS BEFORE WE APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH.
WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW HOW TALL IT'S GONNA BE.
BUT ONE, ARE YOU GUYS SET ON HAVING THAT GABLE STYLE? ARE YOU LOOKING TO HAVE THAT SPACE? NOT NECESS.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GENERALLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
SO WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE HOUSE WITH HAVING REALLY SMALL CLOSETS 'CAUSE IT'S SO OLD.
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NO STORAGE.AND WE ALSO HAVE CLASSIC CAR MOTORCYCLES IN OUR EVERYDAY VEHICLES.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS IS SOMEWHERE WHERE I CAN WORK ON THE VEHICLE IF NEED BE INSTEAD OF ON THE GRAVEL OR HURT MY KNEES
UM, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE, UH, LIKE YOU SAID, A ATTIC OR CONSIDER MAYBE A LOFT.
SO THE PITCH OF THE ROOF, THE STANDARD WOULD BE NOT MUCH SPACE.
SO WE COULD GO A LITTLE BEYOND THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA WORK OUT 'CAUSE WE'RE WONDERING POSSIBLY MAYBE PUTTING A LIFT IN IT.
UM, 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO REBUILD THE CAR AND I WANNA TAKE THE BODY OFF THE FRAME AND ALL THAT STUFF, YOU KNOW, SO YOU GOTTA HAVE WHAT, 12 FOOT CEILINGS FOR A LIFT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AT LEAST I, I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO IT ALL YET.
LIKE I SAID, WE WEREN'T PAYING, YOU KNOW, UPWARDS OF $2,000 FOR PLANS UNTIL WE KNEW YOU GUYS WOULD BE OKAY WITH THIS BUILDING IN GARAGE.
AND IF THERE NEEDS TO BE CERTAIN DIMENSIONS, THEN WE COULD THEN SORT THROUGH AND FIND THE PLANS.
I'M JUST ASSUMING YOU'RE GONNA FACE THE DOORS FOR THE GARAGE BACK TOWARDS THE ALLEY.
TOWARDS THE, NO, THE PROSPECT FACE PROSPECT.
SO THE, THE OVERHEAD DOORS AT FACE PROSPECT THERE WOULD BE PERPENDICULAR HOUSE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE KIND OF IN A CATCH 22 HERE 'CAUSE WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT A LIFT IN, WE NEED TO KNOW KNOW THAT'S GOING TO OBVIOUSLY CHANGE THE FIRST FLOOR HEIGHT, WHICH IS GONNA RAISE THE ROOF EVEN FURTHER UP AND YOU'RE GONNA ADD A STEEPER PITCH YOU NORMALLY WOULD TO ACCOMMODATE AN ATTIC.
SO WE JUST, WE KIND OF NEED ALL THAT BEFORE WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GONNA FIT.
WELL YOU COULD DO IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A HIGHER PITCH ON THE ENTIRE, IT WOULD JUST, WE WOULD BE HAVING JUST ONE LIKE SAY THIS LEFT HAND BAY, THEY DESIGN THE INTERIOR SO THAT WE COULD HAVE IT UP.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY HAVE THE CEILING HEIGHT A LITTLE HIGHER IN THERE AND THEN HAVE THE STORAGE ABOVE THE OTHER TWO BAYS.
SO THAT PITCH WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED FOR THAT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE THE STORAGE ON A, IT'S RIGHT.
AND THEY DO LIKE, I THINK THEY'RE CALLED SCISSOR UHHUH SOMETHING RAFTERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THEY COME UP HIGHER VERSUS THE ONES THAT SIT ON TOP OF THE TOP PLATE, THEY GO UP.
AND THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE, I THINK WHAT FOUR 12 IS THE STANDARD PITCH ROOF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEN YOU CAN STILL KEEP THE FOUR 12 AND NOT HAVE TO OPEN IT UP SO MUCH.
WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT LOOKING TO BE LIKE A TWO STORY.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT HAS REQUIRES DIFFERENT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND, AND THINGS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO JUST ONE STORY WITH A LOFT.
UM, SO IT WOULDN'T, AND THE HOUSE IS LIKE HE SAID, IT'S TWO STORY.
UM, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY GET, GET SOME PLANS.
WE JUST, LIKE I SAID, WE DIDN'T WANNA, IF IT WAS, IF THERE WAS NO CHANCE OF APPROVAL, WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO OUT AND SPEND A THOUSAND SOME DOLLARS TO GET PLANS DRAWN UP THAT THEN WE'RE DOING NOTHING WITH.
SO THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF OUR THINKING IS THAT WE WERE YEAH.
WE'RE ALREADY OVER 2000 AND GETTING THE PROPERTY LINE
BECAUSE WE HAD TO GET THE PROPERTY RESURVEYED AND GET THINGS.
ARE THERE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHAT IT CAN AND CANNOT BE? OR WHAT IS ALLOWABLE OR NOT ALLOWABLE? I DON'T WHAT WE NEED TO.
IT'S LIKE IT'S A CASE BY CASE.
DOES THAT LOOK PROPORTIONAL TO THE HOUSE? MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR HERE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A SMALL, VERY BASIC SMALL SHED.
I THINK IT WAS STILL WAS THAT ON THERE AS WELL? IT'S GONNA BE REMOVED.
WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING RID OF THAT IF WE BUILD A GARAGE.
WANT THE CHIMNEY STICKING OUT OF IT? NO, NO, NO.
THAT WAS, UH, THAT'S PERMANENT.
BUT IT'S, WE DON'T, THERE IS A SMALL SHED BACK HERE AT THE BACK.
IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S LIKE A, LIKE A PULL ON SITE THING.
NOT EVEN, IT'S ON, IT'S ON LOCK.
AND OBSTRUCTS THE VISION OF THAT.
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I MEAN I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE, ARE OPPOSED TO YOU GUYS BUILDING A GARAGE PROVIDED LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT SOME MONSTROSITY MON YEAH.BUT IN ORDER TO QUALIFY THAT WE NEED SOMETHING SPECIFIC.
WE CAN'T, I MEAN, HAVING THE PHOTO IS GREAT.
BUT WE NEED, WE NEED SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
SO IF YOU DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEN YEAH.
THAT WOULD BE VERY, VERY, VERY CLOSE TO, TO WHAT IT IS.
WHICH DOESN'T, AT LEAST TO ME, SEEM LIKE IT WOULD BE OVERBEARING TO CARRY THE HOUSE.
'CAUSE I WAS THINKING, UH, DORMERS WOULD OPEN UP FOR MORE STORAGE, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY EVEN MENTION IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO DORMERS ON THE HOUSE.
SO HOW WOULD YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT DORM ON THAT? UM, I DON'T, IT WOULDN'T BOTHER ME AT ALL.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK.
IT'S, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY EXAMPLES OF DORMERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US NEXT
SO NO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD NEED TO THAT REPRESENTED IN SOME FASHION.
SO TO FIND, FIGURE OUT THE PITCH OF THE ROOF AND HOW TALL.
YOU KNOW, SOME A A A DETAILED KIND OF DRAWING OF THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING AND OVER, YOU KNOW, A TOP PLAN VIEW SOME FACADE VIEWS OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WITH DIMENSIONS.
THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
WE HAVE TO WAIT A WHOLE NOTHER MONTH NOW.
UM, WE CAN TABLE THIS SO YOU GUYS AREN'T OUT THE APPLICATION FEE.
GET THE THING BACK AND WE CAN SAY IN YOUR NAME.
I'M NOT INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO HOLD YOU UP.
I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET IT DONE, BUT RIGHT.
UM, CONCRETE CARRYING WEATHER.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER WAY TO GET TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE TO BE SITTING HERE IN THIS ROOM TO MM-HMM.
I WISH YOU COULD JUST EMAIL IT TO US AND WE COULD ALL GO.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE SITTING IN THIS ROOM.
UM, WE WOULD NEED, IF YOU GET THAT INFORMATION TO OUR OFFICE AT LEAST MAYBE TWO WEEKS BEFORE THAT MEETING.
DO WE NEED TO REDO THE, THE ORIGINAL PACKETS OR THAT'S JUST OKAY.
YOU JUST SUBMIT WHAT THEY REQUESTED AND THEN WE CAN JUST BRING THAT BACK AND THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THOUGH IS PLANS.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE NECESSARILY FROM AN ARCHITECT.
THEY, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE SKETCH UP, YOU KNOW, UM, SOMETHING MORE THAN A NAPKIN AND LESS THAN AN ARCHITECT
SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OR DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER INPUT THAT THEY'D LIKE TO THROW OUT THERE BEFORE WE, WE WANT WE MAKING A MOTION? ARE WE JUST MAKING A MOTION TO TABLE? TABLE? YEAH.
I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS.
ALRIGHT, NEXT APPLICATION WE HAVE, UH, 2 4 0 0 4 8 0.
THAT IS FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A DUPLEX, A BRAND NEW BUILDING AT TWO 40 BLUE RIDGE.
IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT THE, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL VIEW APPROVED THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE FROM FIRE DAMAGE PREVIOUSLY AT TWO 40 BLUE RIDGE.
SO, UH, THAT'S THE PROPERTY AGAIN.
UH, THIS IS A NEW MAIN BUILDING.
SO THIS REQUIRES, UH, THE BOARD TO TAKE A MAJOR ACTION.
UH, TOWN STAFF CANNOT APPROVE THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY.
THIS IS A NEW DWELLING AGAIN, UH, YOU NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
YOU'LL FOCUS ON WHETHER THE PLANS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH AND ENHANCE THE HISTORICAL OR ARCHITECTURAL VALUE OF THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES OR SURROUNDING AREA.
UH, IF YOU DESIRE TO, UH, DISAPPROVE, UH, THE APPLICATION,
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YOU CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE APPLICANT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO DESIGN THE MATERIAL TEXTURE, UH, AND THE REST OF THE INFORMATION THERE.SO YOU CAN DO THAT IF YOU DO A DISAPPROVAL.
AGAIN, THE GUIDELINES, UH, FOR THIS, FOR MAJOR ACTION, UH, THEY WOULD NEED TO TAKE YOU NEED WOULD TAKE ALL THOSE IN CONSIDERATION.
UH, THE VIEW OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE PUBLIC STREET OR ROAD, THE PRESENT CHARACTER SURROUNDING AREAS, UH, RELATIONSHIP OF THE WOODED AREAS AND TREES, OTHER FACTORS.
AND GENERALLY THOSE OF, UH, FOR THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THE GENERAL DESIGN, THE CHARACTER FORM, PROPORTION AND SCALE MASS CONFIGURATION, ARRANGEMENT, TEXTURE, MATERIAL, COLLAR OF THE EXTERIOR MATERIAL, RELATIONSHIP TO THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING AREAS AND THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AGAIN, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DOES VARY THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
SO THESE ARE ON THE, ITS ITS OWN MERIT.
THESE APPLICATIONS ARE, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER THIS, THE HOUSE AT TWO 40 HERE AT THE CORNER OF TWO 40 IN EAST PROSPECT.
A HOUSE THAT WAS, UH, DEMOLISHED BY FIRE IN NOVEMBER OF 2023.
THE APPLICANT, UH, THERE'S THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT WAS THERE, UH, THE LOT FOR AN EXISTING HOME.
UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO A DUPLEX HERE.
UH, SO THOSE WOULD BE A TWO UNIT, UH, DWELLING.
IT WOULD BE SITUATED ON THE LOT.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY FOR ONE OF THE DUPLEXES ON PROSPECT STREET STREET AND THE OTHER ONE OFF OF BLUE RIDGE AVENUE.
AGAIN, UH, IF APPROVED, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING TO SUBMIT A PROPOSED HOUSE LOCATION SURVEY TO MEET THE SETBACK, UH, GUIDELINES FOR THAT DISTRICT IN THE, UH, OTHER INFORMATION FOR THE PROPOSED HOUSE.
SO YOU ARE NOT APPROVING THE LOCATION PER SE.
YOU ARE APPROVING THAT PART OF THE HISTORICAL PART OF THE GUIDELINES.
IT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL AREA.
YOU HERE AGAIN ON THE CORNER, TWO 40.
UH, THIS LOT IS IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE ADJACENT LOTS HERE ARE NOT, UH, THERE IS ONE HERE AT 3 0 2 BLUE RIDGE AND THOSE SOUTH OF 3 0 2 ARE NOT IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO IT'S RIGHT ON THE CORNER, BASICALLY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THE UH, SCOPE OF WORK THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS TO DO ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES, UH, VINYL SIDING, UH, LIMESTONE WATER TABLE IN THE FRONT ON BOTH UNITS.
UH, STAINING, SEEING BLACK METAL ROOF ON THE PORCHES AND BAY WINDOWS ONLY.
SO ARCHITECTURAL ON THE REST OF THE HOUSE, BUT STANDING SEA ON THE PORCHES AND BAY WINDOWS.
UH, THEY DO A DECORATIVE TRIM PIECES ON THE PORCH AT THE FRONT DOOR.
SOME AT THE FRONT, UH, THE PEAK.
UH, THEY'LL DO A FRONT ELEVATION IN A GABLE SCALLOP OR SHAPED VINYL SIDING.
THEY HAVE PICTURES OF THAT INCLUDED IN YOUR APPLICATION.
UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING A REAR TREATED DECK, 12 BY 16 WITH HANDRAILS.
WOODEN, UH, FRONT DOOR WITH BLACK METAL, UH, CONCRETE FOUNDATION, SIDEWALK AND FRONT STEPS.
WHITE ALUMINUM GUTTERS, DOWNSPOUT WHITE SOFTEN AND TRIM AND DOUBLE HUNG VINYL WHITE VINYL WINDOWS WITH NO GRILLS.
UH, THEY WOULD SOD, UH, LANDSCAPE THE, THE LOTS AND PUT IN THE DRIVEWAYS.
THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, UH, WITH THE VINYL SIDING, ARCHITECTURAL ASPHALT SHINGLES METAL ROOF ON THE BAY WINDOWS AND THE PORCH AREA.
THERE'S SOMETHING VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, BUT WOULD BE A DUPLEX.
UH, THEY WOULD PUT A BAY WINDOW ON THE PROSPECT SIDE, UH, LIKE SIMILAR TO THIS WITH THE METAL OVER TOP OF THE BAY WINDOW.
UH, THE FRONT WOULD HAVE A DECORATIVE ROOF THERE FOR THE DOOR.
THAT'S THE SCALLOP LOOK UNDERNEATH SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS.
UM, SO THAT IS, THERE'S MORE INFORMATION INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
THAT'S THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THAT.
UH, THEY DID INCLUDE SOME OTHER INFORMATION ALONG WITH THAT.
BUT, UH, FOR VIEWING PURPOSES, UH, THE DUPLEX WOULD LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THIS UH, UNIT HERE.
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IT'LL BE A DOUBLE UNIT, YOU KNOW, ONE SIDE BY SIDE, UH, UH, SUPPORT A DUPLEX.THAT IS WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING TO PUT ON THE LOT.
UH, UM, I HOPEFULLY YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND THE INFORMATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED FOR YOU.
WE JUST GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, UH, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE GUIDELINES FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR AS FAR AS THE APPLICATION FOR TOWN STAFF? UM, YOU SAID ONE THING ABOUT THE LOCATION I HAVE.
IT'S SET ON THE LOT AND WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THE POSITION.
WELL WE WOULD, PLANNING AND ZONING WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE CONFIGURATION OF THE LOT TO SEE IF THE HOUSE WOULD FIT ON THERE.
IT HAS TO MEET THE SETBACKS AND THE AREA REQUIREMENTS FOR DUPLEX ON THE CORNER LOT.
SO IT WOULD FRONT THE HOMES WOULD FRONT THERE ON BLUE RIDGE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SETBACK IS FOR THE FRONT FOR THAT? FOR THAT, UH, 30, NO, I KNOW IT'S ON THAT DRAWING, BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT IT NEEDS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THERE.
SO THAT'S SHOWING 32 FROM THE END, FROM THE CURB, UH, FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE.
MM-HMM
SO IT SAYS IT, THAT DRAWING DOES HAVE THE HOUSE WITHIN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE AREA THAT THEY COULD BUILD THE DUPLEX IN.
IF YOU GO BACK ONE TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
SO THE ORIGINAL HOME, UH, WHICH WOULD NOW BE CONSIDERED, IF THIS WAS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE HERE, THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE.
MEANING IT WAS BUILT AT SOME TIME PRIOR TO THE EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCE AND IT SETS TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
ALL THE HOUSES SIT THAT CLOSE MA A MAJORITY OF THEM DO IN THIS DISTRICT.
SO THE CODE, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THIS WOULD ALLOW IN ADDITION TO PUT ON THE HOUSE AS LONG AS THE NON-CON CONFORMANCE IS NOT ENLARGED.
SO THEY COULD NOT, FOR EXAMPLE, ADD TO THE FRONT OF THE HOME RIGHT.
SO THE NEW STRUCTURE, WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING, HAS TO BE OUT OF LINE WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSES ON THE STREET.
THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, THE GRANT OF VARIANCE THAT IS IN WITHIN THE CODE.
BUT YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY FOR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS REVIEW TO PROPOSE OR APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION ON THE SETBACKS.
YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS FOR THE APPLICANT TO ASK FOR VARIANCE TO THE STRUCTURE TO BE LOCATED CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN PROPOSED.
CAN YOU BRING UP THE GUIDELINES AGAIN? BUT THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT THE VARIANCE.
THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTS REVIEW DOES NOT UNDERSTOOD AND TOWN STAFF DOES NOT.
BUT YOU DO HAVE THAT PURVIEW IN YOUR, UH, AUTHORITY TO ASK FOR VARIANCE GRANTED FROM THE BZA.
YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, THE GUIDELINES.
YOU KNOW, MASS CONFIGURATION ARRANGEMENT THAT COULD BE INTERPRETED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND WHEN I WAS REVIEWING A BUNCH OF THESE FOR DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, THEY'RE GUIDELINES.
THEY SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT SETBACK IN THIS LIST.
AND I'M, IT'S CONFUSING TO ME WHY WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT IN, IN THE ZONING SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE WAY THE TOWN CODE SET UP FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION HAS TO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
THOSE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT CAN ONLY, UH, BE LOCATED CLOSER OR FIR UH, CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN ALLOWED BY THE ZONING SETBACKS ONLY A GRANT AND ASK FOR VARIANCE FROM THE BZA.
THAT IS HOW OUR CODE IS WRITTEN.
WE, WE CANNOT DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY.
AND YOU CANNOT APPROVE THAT THROUGH THIS UH, BOARD.
AND THAT'S YOUR DESIRE FOR, UH, PROJECTS LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE COULD TAKE TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TO HEAR THE CASE.
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GOT, DO YOU GUYS HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS OR WHAT? UM, I WANTED TO JUST ASK, DO WE KNOW, ARE ALL OF THE TREES STILL STANDING FROM PRIOR TO THE DEMOLITION? ARE THEY ALL STILL THERE? I DON'T KNOW.THEY'RE ALL, EVERYTHING'S STILL THERE NOW, BUT DEMOLITION, EVERYTHING'S STILL THERE NOW.
IS THAT JUST A HOLD UP WITH THE COUNTY OR IS THAT NO, THAT'S, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS APPROVED SO WE CAN TEAR THE HOUSE DOWN AND START CONSTRUCTION AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT AS I MENTIONED IN THE FIRST MEETING, SOME OF THE TREES ARE JUNK TREES AND THE BACK PROPERTY LINE, THEY WILL BE REMOVED AND WE WILL REPLANT NEW TREES BECAUSE THE TREES EXISTING IS SO LOW AND THEY'RE HANGING OVER EVERYTHING.
THE BIG OAK TREE, WE'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH THAT.
WE WOULDN'T DARE TOUCH THAT TREE OR NOTHING ELSE, BUT WE'LL ADD SOME DECORATIVE TREES BACK TO THE PROPERTY.
AND JUST TO REFERENCE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE SETBACK ON THE PROPERTY.
THE CAR WOULD BE RIGHT AGAINST THE HOUSE.
IT, IF YOU SEE THE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN HIS REFERENCE HERE? IF THEY INCLUDE THE SLIDE, THE HOUSE CLOSER, YOU'RE ENCROACHING ON THE, YOU'RE YOU'RE GONNA ENCROACH ON THE PARKING.
SO WE SET IT BACK SO WE COULD GET OFF STREET PARKING.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT BLUE RIDGE AVENUES IS.
I MEAN YOU CAN'T, THERE'S NO OFF STREET PARKING.
SO WE SET IT AT THE MINIMAL SO WE COULD GET OFF STREET PARKING.
AND I FIGURED THAT WAS BETTER THAN WELL SO THE TOWN REQUIRES OFF STREET PARKING TO BE NINE BY 18.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE 18 FOOT DEEP OFF THE FRONT.
BUT THE PARKING IS NOT UH, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR NEW TO HAVE OFF STREET PARKING.
YEAH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE OFF STREET PARKING.
YOU SEE WHEN THOSE, WHEN THOSE HOUSES WERE BUILT, THERE WASN'T ANY CARS.
WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO OFF STREET PARKING.
YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE OFF STREET PARKING.
OFF STREET PARKING IS REQUIRED FOR NEW, A NEW DWELLING.
PER TOWN CODE TWO PARKING SPACES.
AND YOU COULDN'T PROVIDE BOTH OF THEM ON PROSPECT? NO.
YOU HAVE TO WALK ACROSS THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD TO GET TO THE LEFT UNIT.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE GONNA BE INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
YOU'D HAVE ONE LOT HERE AND ONE LOT TO THE NORTH OWNERSHIP.
YOU CAN'T SCOOT THAT PARKING AREA FARTHER, CLOSER TO THE OTHER PROPERTY LINE, THE NORTH LINE.
WELL THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE TAKING UNDER, WELL THEN YOU END THAT TREE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN ON THAT LARGE TREE, IF WE, IF YOU GET OVER THERE AND START DIGGING AND YOU COULD KILL THAT TREE, THAT TREE'S RIGHT THERE.
UH, IT OVERHANGS THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY THAT'S EXISTING.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU GO OVER MY TRUCK TOUCHES IT A LITTLE, IT SPLITS THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT THERE.
THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS GET RID, GET OVER THERE AND MESS AROUND WITH IT AND KILL HALF THE NEIGHBOR'S TREE.
WHAT ABOUT THE SOUTHERN LINE? HOW CLOSE CAN WE GET TO THAT? ARE WE ALREADY AT THE LIMIT THERE? THERE'S A NUMBER THERE ON THE PLAN THERE, JOHN.
SO, UH, THEY HAVE IT 30 FOOT OFF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S ON A CORNER LOT.
SO CORNER LOTS ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE.
UH, SO THEY HAVE THAT AT THE, BASICALLY AT THE MINIMUM, UH, LITTLE OVER 30 FOOT THERE.
JUST BECAUSE THE, THE HOUSE IS LOCATED PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT LOT, NOT ON PROSPECTS.
SO THEY'RE BASICALLY AT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR THE SETBACK.
EACH LOT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN SIZE BY TOWN CODE TOO.
WE MOVE PROPERTIES, WE GOTTA MOVE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN IT'S A, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME SIZE LOTS.
AND TO ME, YOU WOULD WANT MORE YARD ON WHAT'S THE SIDE STREET THERE? PROSPECT.
PROSPECT THAN A HOUSE SHOVED OUT 20 OR 15 FEET FROM THE STREET.
TO ME IT LOOKS BETTER IF YOU HOLD IT BACK TO GIVE SOME YARD THERE FOR THAT.
WELL, WHAT WE GOTTA LOOK AT IS NOT JUST THIS PROPERTY.
WE GOTTA LOOK AT THE STREET AS A WHOLE, BUT LOOK ACROSS THE STREET AND LOOK BEHIND ME.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET NOW THAT THAT WAS BUILT BEFORE THERE WAS A BAR.
I WILL, I WILL NOT LET YOU DOWN ON THIS, BUT WE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING, WE DON'T JERK AWAY.
WHAT I WANT TO ACCOMPLISH HERE IS THAT EVERYBODY WINS.
BUT IGNORING THAT THING ACROSS THE STREET, THE REST OF THE STREET, ALL THE HOUSES ARE RIGHT IN LINE AND THEY'RE ALL OF A SPECIFIC KIND OF GENERAL STYLE.
YOU KNOW, THEY ALL HAVE A BIG FRONT PORCH.
THEY ALL HAVE WINDOWS ON ALL FACADES, MINUS THAT TOWNHOUSE.
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THEY'RE ALL, THEY ALL HAVE A CERTAIN AESTHETIC.THIS CHAIR'S REALLY? YEAH, THIS CHAIR'S REALLY ANNOYING.
UM, AND THE SETBACK IS IMPORTANT.
MAINTAINING THAT CHARACTER, I THINK, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON IT'S NOT MENTIONED IN OUR GUIDELINES.
AND IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE I SPENT ALL AFTERNOON AND SEVERAL OTHER AFTERNOONS REVIEWING GUIDELINES FROM OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS TO SEE HOW THEY HANDLED THIS TYPE OF SITUATION.
'CAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD TO DO THIS.
SO MAINTAINING THAT SETBACK AND KEEPING THOSE HOUSES IN LINE GOES A LONG WAY TO MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, IT'S, IT'S THE NATURE OF THE, THE DUPLEX, THE DESIGN THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED IT, IT JUST DOES, IT'S OUT OF PLACE WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IGNORING THE TOWNHOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, UH, ON THAT'S WE ARE ZONED R THREE, RIGHT? YEAH.
I DON'T WANT TO DENY YOU THAT.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE IT FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BETTER? WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S A WHAT WOULD BE YOUR SUGGESTION? LET'S GO THAT DIRECTION.
WELL, ONE THING WE'VE GOT, LET'S, I WROTE TOO MUCH STUFF.
WE ESTABLISHED IT'S SETBACK FROM THE HOUSE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLACE, THE TOWN, WE CAN USE THE TOWNHOUSE ACROSS THE STREET AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY YOU WOULD WANT THE SETBACK MAINTAINED.
'CAUSE IF YOU STAND NEXT TO THAT HOUSE, IT SEEMS WAY OUT OF PLACE.
IT'S WAY FAR BACK FROM THE SIDEWALK.
ALL THE OTHER HOUSES ARE RAIL CLOSE.
IT JUST LOOKS WRONG FOR SOME REASON.
AND IT DISRUPTS THE CONTINUITY LOOKING DOWN THE STREET.
NOW IF WE DO THE SAME THING ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE'RE JUST CAUSING MORE PROBLEMS. NOW THE OTHER THING WE LOOK AT IS THE PORCH.
WE LOOK, I DON'T, I WISH WE COULD PULL UP GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND WE DO THAT JUST THE ORIGINAL.
IF THAT WAS THEN THIS IS, THAT'S I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, LOOKING DOWN THE STREET.
SO YOU CAN SEE EVERY, EVERY SINGLE HOUSE HAS A BIG FRONT PORCH WITH COLUMNS OR, OR DECORATIONS OR THEY ALL HAVE A SIMILAR AESTHETIC.
AND THIS COULD YOU LIKE, JUST KIND OF BREAKS THAT UP.
IT DOESN'T ADD ANYTHING TO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ARE, IT'S OUR JOB TO FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT SAYS IN THE GUIDELINES IS TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT IT'S RESPECTFUL OF SURROUNDING HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
NOT SIMILAR PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, FROM ACROSS THE STREET HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
UM, NOW YOU, I LIKE THE FACT YOU'VE INCLUDED STANDING SEA METAL ON THE BAYS AND THE ROOFS AND THE NICE TOUCH.
THERE'S A SUBTLE NOD THERE WITH THE SCALLOP SIDING TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
NOW THE END, END OF IT THERE WHERE WE SAID WE WOULD DO THE BAY WINDOW, I COULD ADD YOU SOME FAKE WINDOWS OR SOME WINDOWS IN THAT GABLE END OF THAT WOULD FACE CHURCH OR WHATEVER.
SO WE PUT THE BAY WINDOW THERE AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT BAY WINDOW'S NOT IN IN THERE.
SO I IN WAS GOING TO INSTALL THAT IN THE DINING ROOM.
AND I COULD ADD YOU A COUPLE UPSTAIRS.
I MEAN I EVEN HAD THE IDEA OF PUTTING THEM UP THERE AND PUTTING SHUTTERS ON 'EM TO CLOSE ON 'EM.
AND THEY'D BE FAKE BECAUSE THEY'D BE IN THE BEDROOMS WHERE YOUR BED, YOU COULDN'T, I COULD PUT TWO UP THERE.
YOU WOULD'VE PUT ACTUAL WINDOWS IN.
WELL THE ONE WOULD BE IN THE, THIS HERE, THIS IS THE MASTER BEDROOM.
THIS HAS A BIG, UH, DESIGN TRIMMED WALL IN THAT, IN ON THE INSIDE.
AND YOU REALLY CAN'T PUT A WINDOW IN IT.
I MEAN, I GUESS I CAN TAKE THE ARCHITECTURAL ON THE INSIDE.
I CAN PUT A WINDOW ON THE OUTSIDE FOR YOU.
I COULD ADD TWO WINDOWS FORWARD.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE OTHER BIG STICKING POINTS FOR ME LOOKING AT WHAT YOU PROVIDED IS WALK DOWN THE STREET, WALK DOWN BLUE RIDGE AVENUE AND YOU LOOK AT EVERY OTHER HOUSE, THEY ALL HAVE WINDOWS ON EVERY SINGLE.
SO I CAN EDGE YOU A COUPLE WINDOWS TO THAT SECOND FLOOR.
BECAUSE ONE'S IN THE DINING ROOM.
WE, WE GOTTA EACH FLOOR I CAN, YEAH, THERE'S A BEDROOM BACK THERE AND WE COULD ADD 'EM IN.
I COULD DO THE BAY WINDOW AND THE MAIN AND DO TWO SINGLES ON THE TOP.
IS THIS HOUSE HERE, THE ONE THAT'S CAUGHT FIRE? THIS IS THIS SIDE OF IT.
THERE'S THE HOUSE THERE THAT'S UH, YEAH, FOR A VIEW ON THE PROSPECT STREET SIDE.
WE CAN ADD TWO WINDOWS, HE'S SAYING.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE OPPOSITE SIDE?
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THE SAME SIDE? WELL I CAN ADD TO, I CAN ADD ONE THE STAIRWAY.THAT'S THE STAIRWAY SIDE HOUSE.
PLUS IT WATERS THE TREES AND THE NEIGHBOR ON THE SIDE, THEY'RE REALLY NOT GONNA SEE IT.
WE ALWAYS REVERSE THE FRONT DOORS SO THE NEIGHBORS AIN'T TOGETHER.
SO I PUT ONE OVER HERE AND ONE HERE.
SO THAT'D BE THE STAIRWAY SIDE ON THIS HOUSE.
THE ONLY WAY WE COULD CHANGE IT IS HAVE TO FLIP THE HOUSE AND PUT TWO.
I NEVER LIKE THE NEIGHBORS TOGETHER.
SO YOU WANT THE DOORS SIDE SEPARATE.
I DON'T WANT THE DOORS SIDE BY SIDE ON ANY OF 'EM.
AND THEN YOUR DECKS ARE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA, THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO KEEP THEM.
AND THEN YOU ARE NOT SITTING ON YOUR DECK LOOKING AT YOUR NEIGHBOR COOKING OUT AT NIGHT.
WHAT CONSIDERATION HAVE YOU MADE TO FRONT PORCHES THAT WOULD MORE RESEMBLE THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? PRETTY GOOD WITH THAT
SO YOU LOSE THAT CHARACTER OF THE BAY WINDOW.
OTHER THAN, I MEAN BY PUTTING A PORCH ACROSS THE WHOLE FRONT OF IT, YOU'D LOSE THAT CHARACTER OF THE BAY WINDOW.
WE GIMME A PICTURE OF THE, I I JUST LIKED WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED, PROPOSED, UH, ON THAT WE HAVE ALREADY CONSTRUCTED.
IS THIS THE ONLY DESIGN THAT YOU ALL CONSIDERED FOR THIS LOT? YEAH, IT WORKS.
IT'S VERY, WELL I'VE LOOKED, IT'S HARD TO FIND SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE CUSTOM BUILDING THIS OR IS THIS LIKE A KIT? THIS IS CUSTOM.
I DON'T, I DON'T BUY ANYTHING BRINGING IN A BUNCH OF PANELS.
IT IT'S YOUR DESIGN OR IS IT YOUR, UH, IT'S ABOUT DESIGN.
YOU'RE PURCHASING THE DESIGN? WELL, WE'VE OWNED AS A DESIGN FOR YEARS.
WE, I'VE PROBABLY DONE IT 30 TIMES NOW.
BUT THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE CLEANEST.
THIS IS THE TOP ONE THAT WE HAVE.
I HAVE DESIGNED, IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THIS ON THE PLAN.
I MEAN, DO THEY HAVE THE WHOLE SEAT OF THE WHOLE WELL, IN THE BUILDING PERMIT.
BUT THESE PEOPLE DON'T GET TO SEE THAT THEY HAVE 'EM.
THEY HAVE EVERYTHING YOU SUBMITTED.
NOW THAT GO BACK, SUE, DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE? YEAH, I DID.
I DID NOT PUT A PICTURE OF THE ORIGINAL.
OH, IN THIS? YES, FROM THE SURVEY.
HIS HISTORIC, YEAH, WE GOT A BIG FRONT PORCH THERE WITH A, WITH A BAY.
NOW I KNOW THAT THAT WHOLE SECTION OF THAT HOUSE WAS KIND OF A TURRET.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT A BAY ON A PORCH.
YEAH, I DIDN'T SAY I COULDN'T LIKE THAT.
I JUST, BUT UH, WHAT'S YOUR, DO Y'ALL HAVE SOMETHING? YOU WOULD HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST THE CONCRETE PORCH TOO, RIGHT? OR WELL, YEAH, YEAH.
I THINK WE WOULD, I THINK SEE AND I UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, BUT THE ONLY THING THAT IS DOING IS CREATING A PROPER PROBLEM DOWN THE STREET FOR EVERYBODY TO RIDE DOWN THE REST OF BLUE RIDGE AND LOOK AT THE REST OF THE HISTORICAL HOUSES THERE THAT'S NOT PAINTED THE WOOD'S FALLING APART AND ALL THAT STUFF.
YOU GUYS COME, JUST COME UP HERE AND SIT, SIT AT THE TABLE WITH US.
I MEAN, I CAN DO A TREATED PORCH ON THE WHITE RAILS.
DO Y'ALL ALLOW TRACKS? YEAH, WE ALLOW TRACKS.
WHITE VINYL RAIL ON THE BACK BECAUSE WE, WE APPROVE, WE PUT ON THERE.
WE PUT ON THERE THAT WE WOULD DO A TREAT IT REAR DECK.
I USUALLY NEVER DO TREAT IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK, UH, AND VINYL RAILS, WE ALWAYS DO TRACKS AND VINYL RAILS.
BUT I, I THOUGHT SOMEBODY SAID THE LAST NAME.
THE VINYL RAILS WASN'T ALLOWED.
WELL WE TEND, WE, WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS WOOD.
WE WANT TO SEE WOOD AND PAINT.
THAT'S WHY WE DID THE WOOD FINISH.
TRADITIONAL MATERIAL WOOD, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIKE VINYL SIDING.
WE WANT TO SEE TRADITIONAL MATERIALS BECAUSE IT MATCHES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN WRAPPED IN VINYL IS, IT'S UNFORTUNATE.
AND A LOT OF IT WAS DONE BEFORE THE BAR EXISTED AND SOME OF IT WAS DONE WITHOUT THE BAR'S PERMISSION.
UM, AND WE'RE TRYING, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES THAT NEED A LOT OF WORK ON LABOR JACKET AND OWNING HAS TO WORK.
HOUSE IS, NOBODY TAKES CARE OF MAIN STATION NOWADAYS.
WELL, NOBODY, WELL, BOTH THEM SERVE HOMES.
BUT OUR JOB IS TO MAINTAIN CONTINUITY AND, AND PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
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ALL RIGHT.SO LET'S, UH, SO IF I, 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING FOR AN APPROVAL ON THIS THING SO I CAN PROCEED FORWARD AND UH, SO IF I PUT YOU A FOUR FOOT, FOUR FOOT LAG FRONT PORCH OR SOMETHING, I DEPENDS ON THE SETBACKS.
AND YOU'RE WANTING THE HOUSE MOVED OUT.
THERE IT IS AGAIN, WITH MY PARKING, WE CAN'T GO THROUGH A VARIANCE AND DO THAT.
I, I MEAN IT'S GOING THAT HEADACHE.
WHY NOT JUST BUILD A SINGLE THING AT HOME? BECAUSE IT AIN'T GONNA PAY THE BILL IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT GONNA BRING THE MONEY.
'CAUSE THEN YOU'RE GOING, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE HISTORICAL THING AGAIN.
YOU'RE GONNA WHAT WOODSIDE AND WOOD WENT.
I MEAN, NO, YOU'RE GONNA WANT ALL THIS STUFF.
I'M SAYING NOT YOU THE THE HISTORICAL PART OF IT AND THE MONEY'S NOT GONNA COME OUTTA BLUE RIDGE AVENUE.
I'M PUTTING MORE MONEY IN BLUE RIDGE AVENUE THAT DESERVES TO BE PUT IN BLUE RIDGE AVENUE.
I MEAN WE WOULD ALL LOVE TO SEE A BEAUTIFUL SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE THAT WOULD DO THE OLD HOME JUSTICE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A MASSIVE EXPENSE FOR ANYBODY.
YOU WON'T MAKE NO MONEY ANYWHERE IS NO MONEY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA SELL A $600,000, 700,000 HOUSE ON WEAVER JOB.
I WAS OFFERED THAT PROPERTY BEHIND IT FOR $250,000 FOR THE TWO LITTLE HOUSES BEHIND IT.
YOU CAN'T BUILD A $650,000 HOUSE BESIDE A 250,000 HOUSE.
THE NEIGHBORS WON'T, YOU WON'T SELL IT.
AND WHOEVER'S BUYING IT WILL SAY THE SAME THING.
AND YOU KNOW, THE TOWN NEEDS MORE RESIDENCES.
WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO THE THE THERE'S UTILITY IN A DUPLEX.
WHAT? I THINK WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A DESIGN, AND IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT DESIGN THAN THIS.
I'M THINKING IT MIGHT BE, IF YOU CAN MAKE SOMETHING WORK THAT MAKES THAT DUPLEX LOOK LIKE THE REST OF THE HOUSES ON THE STREET TO ONE DEGREE OR ANOTHER, I'M NOT GONNA, ALL RIGHT, LET'S ASK THIS QUESTION.
IF, IF I BRING, IF I TELL YOU I'M GONNA PUT A PORCH ACROSS THE FRONT OF BOTH OF 'EM AND I'M GOING PUT ON BOTH ENDS, I'M GOING ON BOTH SIDES.
I'M GONNA PUT YOU A BAY WINDOW.
'CAUSE THEN BOTH OF OUR DOORS WILL BE TOGETHER.
SO THE ONE ON THE STREET SIDE IS THE ONE I SAID PUT THE BAY WINDOW AND ADD THE WINDOWS UPSTAIRS.
UH, WOULD YOU APPROVE THE PLAN? I WOULD NEED TO, I'D NEED TO SEE IT.
AND CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? NO, I'M IN RESTORATION.
YOU KNOW WHAT THIS THING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WITH A PORCH? GIMME A PENCIL.
I'M NOT GOING, I'M NOT GONNA HAVE AN ENGINEER.
I'M NOT HAVING AN ARCHITECT DRAW A PORCH ON THIS PLANE FOR A PICTURE.
AND THAT'S GONNA LOOK WORSE TO ME THAN WHAT YOU HAVE IT TAKES.
BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA DO CON I MEAN WE'RE GONNA DO WOOD.
YOU'RE GONNA LOSE YOUR PRETTY LITTLE DOOR.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE OUS, THE CORDLESS.
YOU'RE GONNA LOSE ALL YOUR SCALLOPS HERE TO MAKE IT LOOK AND MATCH.
YOU'RE, TO ME IT'S GONNA LOOK CHEAPER PUTTING THE PORCH ON IT THAN IT WOULD TO KEEP IT LIKE THIS.
WELL THAT'S ALSO A MATTER OF OPINION.
AND WE CAN AGREE TO THE GOOD SCREW ON THAT ONE BECAUSE THAT WE CAN VERY GOOD
UM, BUT THEN PEOPLE WILL TEND TO STACK STUFF ON THE PORCHES AND IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE PAMPERS.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN SO YOU GOTTA THINK ABOUT THAT.
I WILL AGREE TO, I WILL AGREE TO YOUR PORCH.
IF WE LEAVE THE SETBACK WHERE IT IS SO I CAN GET OFF STREET PARKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
I DON'T THINK THEY CAN DICTATE THAT.
UM, NO, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN DICTATE.
'CAUSE WE GOTTA BE SO FAR BY SETBACK.
UNLESS IT'S ON APPEAL BOARD AND I STILL HAVE TO HAVE TWO PARKING SPOTS REQUIRED BY CODE.
DEPENDING ON WHERE, HOW CLOSE THAT OAK TREE IS.
WELL THE BUS, THE LOCKS HAVE TO, THE LOCKS ARE DESIGNED ARE, WE TOOK THE PROPERTY AND WE CUT THE LOT IN HALF.
SO THE ONLY THING IT CAN DO IS COME FORWARD.
WE USED THE EXISTING CUTS IN THE STREET AS THE TWO SEPARATE, THE APRONS THAT WAS ALREADY THERE IN THE STREET AS THE ENTRANCE IS FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
ONE'S ON THE SIDE, ONE IN THE FRONT.
BUT IT'S STILL LIKE IT COULD IT NOT LOOK LIKE WHAT'S ALREADY THERE STILL BE TWO SEPARATE DWELLINGS THAT LOOK LIKE AN OLD VICTORIAN WITH
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SIGHT ON PROSPECT AND ON BLUERIDGE.AND IT, THE STYLE WE WERE GETTING DOWN IN THE WEEDS ON STYLE, WHICH IS HARD NOT TO DO.
IT'S LIKE WE ALL HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT COULD OR MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT STYLE OF HOUSE TO BUILD.
AND I'VE LOOKED, THERE'S NOTHING AND I DON'T WANT TO IT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, IN MY MIND, IT WOULD BE AWESOME TO SEE AN ULTRAMODERN ALL GLASS FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT STYLE HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF THAT STREET.
EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION.
LOOK, EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT, EVERYBODY DIFFERENT OPINION.
AND SO EVERYBODY ELSE IS, IT'S ABOUT MASS AND SCALE AND PROPORTION.
IF YOU GET THAT RIGHT AND YOU LINE UP THE WINDOWS WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSES, YOU LINE UP THE FACADES, THE REST OF THE HOUSES AND THE PROPORTIONS ARE RIGHT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT STYLE IT IS.
SEE, I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHAT AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME FOR.
'CAUSE I JUST HANDED, I JUST OFFERED YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU ASKED FOR.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A RIGHT I YOU WANTED A FRONT PORCH.
I SAID I'LL GIVE YOU A FRONT PORCH.
NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HOUSE OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
WHAT CAN I I OFFERED YOU EVERYTHING YOU ASKED FOR.
ALL RIGHT, WELL LET'S LOOK AT OPTIONS.
YOU CAN'T STOP ME ON A DUPLEX.
SO BEST THING FOR US TO DO IS REMOVE OUR THOUGHTS FROM THE HOUSES.
AND I OFFERED YOU YOUR FRONT PORCH AND I OFFERED YOU WINDOWS FOR THE SIDE.
AND I'M GOING TO DO THE STEP, THE STONE AROUND THE FRONT DOWN PROSPECT AND RESEMBLANCE.
'CAUSE THE OTHER HOUSE HAD STONE FOUNDATION.
SO WE SAID WE WOULD MOVE THIS STONE TO THERE AND MAKE IT LOOK RIGHT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO OFFER YOU.
TELL ME ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE RAILINGS.
IS IT GONNA BE WOOD RAILINGS? VINYL RAILINGS? IS IT GONNA BE MY, MY THOUGHTS, MY WISHES AS A BUILDER THAT BUILDS TO SURVIVE IS VINYL.
I MEAN, I COULD PUT VINYL UP THERE AND PUT PAINT ON.
YOU NEVER KNOW THE DIFFERENCE SIR.
IF I PUT, IF I GO UP HERE TO LOWE'S AND BUY OUR 84 AND ORDER THEIR PINE RAILS AND THE PAINTER GOES OUT THERE AND PUTS TWO COATS ON IT, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, IF THE NEXT PERSON DON'T PUT PAINT ON THEM RAILS, THEY'RE GONNA BE ROTTEN IN AND FALLING OFF EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, TO ME THAT'S JUST, I UNDERSTAND THE WOOD STUFF IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, BUT I'LL TAKE THE VINYL WHEN PAINT IT AND YOU WON'T KNOW NO DIFFERENCE.
AND UM, IT'LL BE THERE FOREVER.
IS THERE A VINYL SYSTEM THAT'S MORE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE AESTHETIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN THE TYPICAL VINYL STUFF THAT LOOKS ALL BLOCKY AND WEIRD? MM-HMM.
DOESN'T YOU GET INTO SPECIAL OR NOW? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, MANY TIMES THAT'S CRAZY.
IT JUST, I MEAN COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN THEY DID THESE HOUSES IN 1900, ALL THOSE ON BLUE RIDGE AVENUE.
I HATE TO SEE SOME OF THE CUPOLAS AND ALL THE LITTLE DECORATIVE TRIM.
'CAUSE I WALKED AROUND MY HOUSE TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING I COULD STEAL OFF OF IT THAT, YOU KNOW, TO USE TO THE NEXT ONE.
WELL, YOU LOOK AT 'EM, SOME OF 'EM FIVE AND SIX PIECES OF TRIM PUT TOGETHER AND IT'S THIS BIG, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO THAT STUFF THESE DAYS.
I MEAN, JUST THE REFERENCE OF UH, THE COOK, THE VALS ON THESE HOUSES, UH, THEY'RE $245 A PIECE FOR EACH ONE THAT GOES BY THE FRONT DOOR.
THAT'S, THEY'RE NOT STRUCTURAL.
THEIR FOR LOOKS UNDER, IF YOU HAD THAT MADE, IF THAT HAD TO BE MADE, YOU HAVE 12, $1,500 IN BANK.
IT JUST, YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT.
AND YOU KNOW, WE OFFERED THESE HIGH IN THE GABLES UH, SCALLOPS AND WE WAS GONNA TRY TO MATCH THE SCALLOPS THAT WAS ON THE HOUSE.
THAT'S WHERE WE COME UP THE SCALLOP IDEA.
AND UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT THE DECORATOR PIECE UP HERE AND I SET, I WOULD ADD YOU A WINDOW HERE AND A WINDOW HERE AND YOUR BAY WINDOW THERE.
I MEAN IN MY, IN MY THING, IF YOU WANTED THE FRONT PORCH, I'D GIVE YOU THE FRONT PORCH.
I'D LIKE TO DO THE VINYL RAILS.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY GOT PAINT ON THEM.
IT'S A WASTE OF TIME TO PAINT.
BUT I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THE WOOD IS Y'ALL LUCKY WOOD.
I CAN'T SAY WE JUST DON'T WANNA RIDE BY IN 10 YEARS OF SOMEBODY.
I, I, WHEN I BUILD THINGS, I BUILD THINGS.
I RIDE BY MY PROJECT JUST LIKE THIS ONE HERE.
I PUT MY HEART AND SOUL IN THIS PROJECT, RIDE IT UP AND RIDE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
SEE IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, LOOKS LIKE THAT NOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS SITTING ON BLUE RIDGE AVENUE WHERE THE PORCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT OF IT AND SOME WINDOWS ON THE SIDE.
IT AIN'T GOING TO DISCREDIT ANYTHING ON THAT STREET.
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I WILL GUARANTEE YOU IT'S NOT GONNA DISCREDIT ANYTHING ON THAT STREET.EVERYBODY RIDES MY TOWN BY MY TOWNHOUSES.
THEY RENTED THEM AS AS FAST AS THEY WAS RENTED.
WE PUT, THEY SOLD AS FAST AS WE COULD SELL 'EM BECAUSE THE PEOPLE LOVED THE QUALITY AND LOVED THE WAY THEY LOOKED.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION BUT WE ALL GOTTA WORK TOGETHER AND GOD OFFERED YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU ASKED FOR, SIR.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT UM, AND I'LL DO THE METAL ON THE WHOLE FRONT PORCH COURSE.
NOT JUST THIS, OF COURSE BY CHANGING IT, IT'LL HAVE THE BLACK METAL ALL ACROSS THE HOLE.
STAND AND SEE 'EM ACROSS THE WHOLE FRONT PORCH.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THESE, UH, CONCESSIONS? WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE ROOF.
THE SHINGLE ROOF IS, THAT'S NOT OKAY.
THE SHINGLE ROOF IS PER COAT IN THE PLANS THAT IT IS LEFT IF YOU USE IT SAYS IF YOU USE 'EM IN NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY SHOULD BE, UH, DARK IN COLOR.
BUT IT CAN BE USED IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT AS LONG AS THEY'RE DARK IN COLOR.
BUT IF IT'S ALLOWED, YOU CAN'T DESIGN ME NEITHER.
IT'S AN AESTHETIC THING, WHICH IT'S UP TO US.
AND NO, ABOUT 50 OR 50 OF THE HOUSES ON BLUE RIDGE AVENUE, 50% OF 'EM HAVE NOT, I DON'T HAVE 50% OF 'EM HAVE, UM, ARCHITECTURE SHING ON.
HALF OF THEM HAVE WOOD SIDE, HALF THEM HAVE VINYL SIDE.
WE'RE NOT STICKING OUT LIKE WITH THE ODDBALL.
I MEAN WE'RE NOT THE ONLY SORE THUMB OUT THERE.
I MEAN THE ONE YOU PROVED EARLIER, SHE'S THE ORGAN.
THAT'S A REAL HAD VINYL, SOME OF 'EM HAVE METAL ROOF, SOME OF 'EM HAVE THE SHINGLES.
SO THERE'S A MIX ON THAT STREET YOU DON'T WANNA ADD TO THAT MIX AND THE WRONG DIRECTION.
HOLLY, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? YEAH, DEFINITELY.
I'M NOT THRILLED WITH MATERIALS AND ALL THAT.
I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE SEEN IT COME BACK AND SIMILAR TO WHAT LEFT.
MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS HARD TO SEE THAT.
WE WOULD ALL LOVE TO SEE THAT.
BUT THE REALITY OF THAT IS THAT LOT WOULD BE VACANT FOR YEARS UNTIL SOMEBODY CAME ALONG AND WANTED TO SPEND THAT KIND OF TRUE.
BUT THEY SAID THAT ABOUT THE MURPHY BUILDING TOO.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY ALL CAME ALONG AND DID A NICE JOB WITH IT.
SO THEY ALSO SAID LIKE THE AFTERNOON TOO.
GOOD AFTERNOON EITHER, EITHER WAY IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
IT'S SPECULATION, THAT'S FOR SURE.
TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE STORY.
AND IF WE, IF WE GO, IF WE GO IN THAT DIRECTION, THEN WE'RE JUST SETTING A PRECEDENT.
DO WE? I JUST THINK THAT ONE NEEDS TO COME DOWN AS SOON AS IT CAN FOR SAFETY STATE.
AND I LIKE CONCESSIONS HE'S MAKING BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GONNA REBUILD THAT A PLACE LIKE THAT THE WAY IT WAS UNLESS YOU HAVE MAJOR, MAJOR MONEY.
AND IF THEY, IF THEY WOULD COME TO THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO LET IT SIT.
THIS WOULD BE A PERFECT COUPLE.
I CAN'T, DON'T MEAN WE WANNA THROW MONEY AWAY BUILDING CUPS FROM HOMES.
BUILD YOU CUSTOM HOME ON THAT LOT, MAN.
BUT THE BAD THING IS WE GOT JUMPED BEHIND US AND WE GOT JUMPED ACROSS THE STREET.
I CAN'T IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT AS, AS A PROSPECT OF WHO'S GONNA BUY IT.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER VEHICLE HOMES ON THAT CORNER.
WHERE, I MEAN, MIGHT BE SOMETHING ACROSS THE STREET, BUT BEHIND ME THERE'S NOT ACROSS FROM ME IS NOT, AND WHAT I'M DOING IS NOT GONNA BE UGLY.
I MEAN, I'M GONNA DECORAT, I'M DECORATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.
THEY'RE SELLING FOR 400 BACK ON THAT STREET, STREET NEXT DOOR.
BUILD ANOTHER ONE AND RETIRE YOUR MONEY.
I FOUND THIS GREAT, UM, ARTICLE.
REALLY, CAN I READ YOU SOME OF IT.
IT'S FUNNY I WON'T BORE YOU TO DEATH,
THIS IS ONE PARAGRAPH THAT'S PERFECT FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAYS COMPATIBILITY.
AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPATIBILITY IN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE FOR NEW BUILDINGS, DEPENDING ON HISTORIC DISTRICT COMPATIBILITY REQUIRES MORE
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THAN SIMILARITIES.MASSING OR ABSTRACT REFERENCES.
IT MUST BE A PRIMARY OBJECTIVE OF THE DESIGNER AND AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS FOR PROJECTS IN HISTORIC SETTING.
WHAT MAKES BUILDINGS FROM DIFFERENT ERRORS AND STYLES COMPATIBLE THAT THEY SHARE THE SAME UNDERLYING PRINCIPLE OF SPACE, STRUCTURE, ELEMENTS, COMPOSITION, PROPORTION, ORNAMENT AND CHARACTER.
THESE PRINCIPLES ARE CONSISTENT AMONG THE BUILDINGS ALONG THE STREET OR AROUND THE SQUARE.
THEY WILL BE COMPATIBLE REGARDLESS OF STYLE.
WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING WE CAN.
WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE A DUPLEX AND MAKE IT LOOK HISTORICAL AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
WELL SEE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT'S KIND OF WE'RE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION ON BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW OBJECTION AND HISTORIC, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT MAKE IT LOOK HISTORIC BECAUSE TYPICALLY ALL THAT DOES, I CAN'T BUILD HISTORIC BECAUSE HISTORIC DON'T EXIST.
I MEAN, THOSE PEOPLE, I CAN'T CREATE, WHAT WAS THERE SIR, IN 1990? I'M NOT THAT'S, LISTEN WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO.
I'M ASKING YOU TO DO THE OPPOSITE.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO MAKE A NEW HOUSE LOOK HISTORIC BECAUSE IT ULTIMATELY, ALL IT DOES IS IT LOOKS LIKE A TACKY ATTEMPT AT REPLICATING A HISTORIC HOUSE.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT USING THE SAME MATERIALS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST NO WAY YOU CAN MAKE A BEAUTIFUL SCALLOP FACADE THAT WAS HAND CUT OUT OF VINYL, WHICH IS NOT GONNA LOOK THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.
SO WE HAVE TO FIND A CONCEPT THAT IS GOING TO FIT.
HOW DO YOU SAY, I DON'T, MY, LIKE I SAY I'M ZONED FOR DUPLEXES.
YOU CAN'T TURN ME DOWN FOR DUPLEXES.
THERE'S NOBODY GONNA TURN ME DOWN FOR DUPLEXES.
I'M NOT ATTEMPTING TO TURN DOWN FOR DUPLEXES.
WHAT I'M SAYING, HOW DOES MY DESIGN, YOU ASKED FOR SOMETHING, I GAVE IT TO YOU AND NOW YOU DON'T AGREE TO IT.
I'M ACCOUNTING FOR THE REST OF THE, THE WHAT DO THEY WANT? I MEAN, AND WE WE'RE GOING TO THIS, THIS PROPERTY'S GONNA END UP WITH A DUPLEX ON.
IT'S GOING TO END UP WITH A DUPLEX.
IT'S ZONED FOR DUPLEXES AND THERE WILL BE A DUPLEX ON IT.
I OFFERED YOU THE FRONT PORCH OFFERED YOU WINDOWS.
WHAT ELSE ARE YOU ASKING FOR? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING OFF IN DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT WE AIN'T REALLY, WE GOT TO THE METAL ROOF.
A COUPLE COMMENTS AND THEN WE WENT OFF IN THE LEFT FIELD.
WHY DON'T WE STICK TO METAL ROOF? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT A METAL ROOF? GO DOWN THE LINE.
IF WE'RE GONNA DO A METAL ROOF, WHY NOT DO WOOD SIDING? WELL, I WAS, THIS IS WHAT I WAS GONNA OFFER YOU.
I WAS GONNA OFFER YOU WOOD SIDING BUT NOT A METAL ROOF.
I WAS GONNA OFFER YOU METAL, UH, LP SMART LP SMART SIDING, BUT NOT THE METAL ROOF.
WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S LP? IT'S A ENGINEERED PRODUCT.
JUST PUT IT ON THE KELLER WILLIAMS BUILDING RIGHT BESIDE POPPY'S PLACE.
YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
IT BECOMES PRE-COATED FACTORY STAIN STAIN FROM A FACTORY STAIN.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PEELING AND CHIP IN IT.
YOU CAN TAKE THIS AND PUT IT IN A BUCKET OF WATER.
IT DON'T, EVERY PIECE, WHEN IT'S PUT TOGETHER, IT'S SEALED BY A WATER SEAL.
SO WE CAN FLOAT THIS FOR A WEEK AND TAKE IT OUT.
AND IT'S THE SAME, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE NOT PAINTING IT OR MAINTAINING OR TAKING CARE OF THE VINYL'S THE SAME WAY.
BUT THIS GIVES IT MUCH MORE WOOD RIGHT NOW.
IS IT IT IS INSTALLED IN PLANKS OR SHEETS OR 16 FOOT, UH, 16 OR 20 FOOT PLANKS.
SO IT KIND OF GOES UP LIKE A TRADITIONAL CLAPBOARD.
AND THEY'RE 100% STRAIGHT TOO.
I MEAN, IT MAKES IT VERY NICE LOOKING PRODUCT WHEN IT'S DONE.
WE USED, I DID A BUNCH OF A-FRAME STYLE HOUSES AND UH, THEY HAVE THIS IN A CEDAR COLLAR.
I PROBABLY DID A HUNDRED OF 'EM WITH THIS ONE.
WHAT'S THAT? WE'RE GONNA COMPROMISE THE ROOF THEN.
I DON'T WANT TO NO, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE, THIS IS FOUR TUBS MORE THAN THE VINYL.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S ARCHITECTURAL AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO THE ARCHITECTURAL LOOK IN THREE DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE.
WE'RE NOT JUST PUTTING A FLAT TAB, CHEAP SHINGLE ON.
BUT WITH THIS BEING FOUR TIMES AS MUCH, I GOTTA BE ABLE TO CUT COSTS AT SOME POINT TO PAY FOR.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE PUTTING A PORCH ON THE FRONT.
NOW WE'RE, NOW WE'RE ADDING COST WITH THE PORCH AND THE METAL PORCH.
WELL, NO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE WOOD 'CAUSE WE GOTTA DO WOOD.
SO NOW WE'VE GOTTA PUT A WOOD STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH OF IT AND ADD THAT'S ADDING ALL THE COST.
PLUS THE METAL ROOF HAS GONE UP FOUR OR FIVE TIMES IN SIZE.
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COST I GAVE YOU, I THEY GAVE YOU, UM, WELL, DOESN'T SEE WHAT THEY, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS, SO WHAT SHOULD, WHERE ARE WE AT NEXT? CAN WE WORK WITH THIS DESIGN AND SOME OF THESE, UM, CONCESSIONS OR CAN WE NOT? THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO ESTABLISH.BECAUSE WE'RE WASTING A LOT OF TIME WITH THE TIME.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE IT OR APPEAL IT OR DENY ME.
I CAN ACTUALLY WORK WITH THE DESIGN IF HE MAKES CONCESSIONS AND WHAT I JUST CAN'T GET OVER IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE A RYAN HOME TO ME.
THAT'S ALL I CAN OH, NOW DON'T EVEN COMPARE ME TO A RYAN HOME HOUSE.
I SAY STRAIGHT UP, DON'T EVEN COMPARE ME TO A RYAN HOME.
I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY LIKE IT.
I, KATIE REALLY LONG TIME WITH IT.
WELL IT'D BE REALLY NICE IF WE HAD THAT UP HERE.
I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY, NOW WE DON'T HAVE A TIE.
SO IF, IF THIS, IF YOU DENY ME, I CAN GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, GET APPROVED COUNCIL.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN APPEAL TO TOWN COUNCIL.
THEY CAN, IT'S UP TO THEM KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA LIKE THAT.
BUT I'M APPROVED BY, I'M APPROVED FOR, I CAN GET THE TOWNHOUSES, DUPLEXES APPROVED ON THAT LOT.
AND I CAN'T BE TURNED DOWN FOR THAT DESIGN ON THAT LOT.
SO WHAT IS THE, SO YOU, WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR NEXT WISH? I CAN'T GIVE SPECIFICS.
I JUST, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE CAN'T IF YOU DON'T GIMME SPECIFIC PER WELL, WE'RE NOT, AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE SPECIFIC DIRECTION ON DESIGN.
WE CAN APPROVE AND DENY THINGS.
WE, THERE'S LIKE JUST AN AESTHETIC THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW.
WE GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU'VE ASKED FOR THAT HE'S ASKED FOR.
UM, YEAH, WE'RE GETTING THERE.
BUT I THINK THE, THE MAIN HANGUP HERE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE YOU'RE PROPOSING A HOUSE THAT, THAT WE CAN'T GET AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT IT'S A NEW BUILDING AND IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A NEW BUILDING NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.
EVEN A HOUSE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE A NEW BUILDING, SIR.
A NEW HOUSE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE A NEW BUILDING.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, I GUESS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS FAR AS POSSIBLE FROM IS WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DISTANCE OURSELVES FROM.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO SEE, THIS IS SO HARD TO DESCRIBE BECAUSE AGAIN, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT WAS THERE.
WHAT ABOUT THIS, WHAT YOU GOT GO, IF I'VE GOT SOMETHING HERE FOR YOU TO WORK WITH.
WHAT IF HE PUTS, UH, YOU ONLY HAVE THE ONE ENTRANCE ON THE FRONT.
THE OTHER IS ON THE SIDE PROSPECT SIDE.
I THINK THAT'S ALREADY WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING? NO.
NO, I, BOTH OF THESE ARE FACING, PUT JUST ON THE PROSPECT SIDE.
I MENTIONED THAT EARLIER THOUGH.
AND I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE WAS ON THE SIDE.
THE DRIVEWAY IS, BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE ENTRANCE WAS TOO.
THE ENTRANCE TO THE HOME WERE ON THE FRONT.
IT WOULD JUST BE THIS SIDE BY SIDE.
IF THE DOOR'S ON THE OPPOSITE END.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS WHY NOT BUILD SOMETHING BACK SIMILAR AND STRUCTURE.
BUT YOU COULD STILL HAVE IT BE TWO SEPARATE RESIDENCES AND ONE COMES IN ON THE SIDE.
BUT YOU COULD HAVE A SIMILAR STRUCTURE.
IT IT IS JUST LIKE ALL THE HOUSES ALL OVER THAT ARE CHOPPED UP AND TURNED INTO APARTMENTS AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT MOVE IN THE KITCHEN.
I'M MOVING THE KITCHEN IN MY BRAIN AT THIS POINT.
THAT PORCH RIGHT, THAT PORCH ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, HOW IT KIND OF WRAPPED AROUND THE CORNER.
LIKE THAT WOULD BE AWESOME IF IT WRAPPED AROUND THE CORNER.
SO YOU'D HAVE EQUAL PORCHES FOR THE FRONT AND THE OTHER FRONT.
BUT IT WOULD HAVE THE WRAP AROUND LIKE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
SO HAVE TO ENTER IN, COULDN'T ENTER IN THE KITCHEN.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO ENTER IN THE CENTER, IN THE DINING ROOM BECAUSE YOU COULD.
BUT IT'D BE KIND OF FUN TO ENTER IN THE DINING ROOM.
WHAT ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE YOUR OTHER DOOR'S OVER HERE.
I WAS THINKING BECAUSE IS THAT DOOR IS THIS MM-HMM.
BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, IF YOU MOVE THE DOOR OVER HERE, PUT A LITTLE WRAP AROUND
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PORCH, WALK UP THE STEPS AND THEN COME INTO THE DOOR.AND THIS DOOR OVER HERE THAT MOVES MY STAIRWAY TO THAT SIDE.
THAT LOSES YOUR BAY WINDOW ON THAT SIDE.
THAT, UH, LOSES YOUR WINDOWS ON THE TOP FLOOR BECAUSE YOUR SECOND FLOOR STAIRWAYS ALL THE WAY ON THAT SIDE.
NO, I WOULDN'T HAVE TO ALL THAT, BUT, UH, YOU CAN'T MOVE THAT DOOR.
BUT YOU MOVE THE DOOR, YOU MOVE THE STAIRWAY.
I MEAN, THAT'S TOO MUCH FOR MY BRAIN BECAUSE THERE'S A POWDER ROOM IN THIS CORNER.
FRONT DOOR GOES IN THERE, THERE'S A POWDER ROOM THERE.
THE KIDS IN THERE ON THE RIGHT.
YOU CAN'T MOVE THE DOOR TO THE RIGHT.
YOUR DOOR WILL GO THROUGH YOUR POWDER ROOM.
DID YOU LOAD IT? I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD WORK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BUTCH THE, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK AESTHETICALLY I SIDE, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BUTCH THE INSIDE.
I MEAN, SO THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE YOU'RE STICKING WITH, YOU'RE REARRANGING THIS ONE DESIGN.
WELL, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT IS JUST A BOX WE GOTTA STAY IN THAT FITS ON THE LOT.
20 FOOT 10 INCHES BY 36 FOOT DEEP.
AND 38 FOOT DEPOT ON THE TOP FLOOR.
AND WHAT IF WE GOT YOU THE VARIANCE? NOW WE DON'T WANT VARIANCE.
I JUST GOTTA MAKE SURE I DON'T BUTCH THE INSIDE OF MY TOWNHOUSE UP BECAUSE I'LL SHOW YOU.
YOU'RE IN CONSTRUCTION, REMODEL, WHATEVER.
YOU ARE NOT BEING DISRESPECTED.
SO DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION, SIR.
DID YOU? WELL, HOW ARE YOU GONNA KEEP 'EM THE PORCH SEPARATE? YOU HAVE TO SEPARATE THE PORCH SOMEHOW IN THE MIDDLE.
SO THIS MAY RAIN ON THAT NIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE YOU'RE GONNA SHOW CONNIE? NO.
SEE IF YOU, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE LITTLE WRAPAROUND PORCH THING.
BUT IF, IF YOU COULD GET THE DOOR HERE.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE THIS OVER HERE.
'CAUSE THEN THE KITCHEN SHOULD BE THIS WAY.
I THINK I'M RIGHT IN THAT IF IT'S LESS THAN, IT'S LESS THAN 32.
WHAT'S THE SETBACK ON THAT ONE? IT'S, WE'RE RIGHT ON.
NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY REGULAR PORTS.
WELL, I MEAN, WELL BY EIGHT PORTS WOULD BE THE MOST, I THINK 32 SQUARE FEET.
YOU CAN ENCROACH INTO THE, WE CAN, UH, IF THE PORCH IS UN ENCLOSED, THE PORCH MAY PROJECT IN THE FRONT YARD NOT TO EXCEED 10 FEET.
UH, TYPICAL PORCH WITH NO SIDE.
WHAT FACES THE BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY OVERHANG.
BUT IT MAY EXTEND NOT TO EXCEED 10 FEET.
10 FEET BY WHAT? DOES IT HAVE ANY, NO.
SO GOING FORWARD FROM THE SETBACK LINE, IT MAY EXTEND, UH, NOT TO EXCEED 10 FEET.
UH, OF COURSE YOU CANNOT BE CLOSER THAN 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO YOUR HOUSE CURRENTLY SETS 30 FEET CORNER LOT THE SAME.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DUPLEX ON THE NORTH SIDE? IF YOU'RE PUTTING A PORCH THERE.
NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO, BUT THEY'RE DOING A PORCH ON THE NORTH SIDE ALSO, CORRECT? NO, NO, NOT ON THIS SIDE.
BECAUSE WE WANNA DO IT ON THE CORNER SIDE HERE.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE WANTING YOU TO PUT IT IN THIS WAY FROM THE FRONT AROUND TO THE SIDE.
TRYING TO HELP YOU FIND A SOLUTIONS.
LIKE THE ONE IS NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT, SEE HOW WHERE THE BAY WINDOW, WHERE THE, WHERE THAT'S THE ONE THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE FIRE WAS.
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DOWN.BECAUSE THERE'S YOUR DRIVEWAY AND THEN YOU COME IN, GO UP YOUR PORCH.
SO THIS COULD BE A CORNER PORCH RIGHT HERE TO GIVE THEM THEIR LITTLE, GIVE 'EM THAT ASPECT OF A WRAP AROUND PORCH.
THEY COULD DO WHERE'S MY PICTURE? THERE GO.
WE'RE THINKING IF YOU KEEP ON THE PROSPECT SIDE, YOU LOSE, I LOSE THIS.
IF YOU KEEP IT ON THE PROSPECT SIDE.
'CAUSE IT'S ON THE STREET SIDE AND THEN YOU'RE PARKING BACK HERE.
BUT CAN YOU GUYS LIKE THAT IDEA AS A, AS A CONSIDERABLE COMPROMISE? WE FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA LOOK MUCH MORE, MUCH CLOSER TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
I LIKE THE SIDING THAT YOU SHOWED.
WE TALK ABOUT THE METAL ROOF AGAIN WITH THAT PORCH
WE'RE AT, WE'RE LOOKING TO UM, THAT IS WAY TOO, WE ALL RIGHT.
SO IF WE DO, SO ARE YOU STILL TALKING, YOU WANT THE PORCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT AND WRAP IT AROUND THE CORNER OR I DON'T, WELL, I GUESS IT WAS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT.
IT WAS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT.
AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S HOUSES THAT HAVE 'EM ON THE STREET THAT ARE THE FULL LENGTH OR SOME OF 'EM THAT ARE, I WOULD RATHER LENGTH HERE LIKE THIS AND THEN WRAP IT AROUND THE CORNER.
UM, I KNOW IT'S MORE WORK, BUT I THINK IT WOULD HELP EVERYBODY IF INSTEAD OF THESE MARKED UP RENDERINGS, KIND OF EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO PIECE IT TOGETHER IN THEIR MIND.
WE CAN GET A, SOME KIND OF A, I CAN DO A FACADE DRAWN FOR THESE.
NOT IN, EVEN IF IT'S THE PHOTOS LIKE YOU GOT HERE.
SO WE CAN SEE WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE FROM THE CORNER.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A, YOU CAN PORCH RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, SIR.
I'M TRYING TO
ARE YOU REQUESTING THE PROSPECT SIDE BE THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE HOUSE? JUST THE ONE UNIT? I THINK ONE ONE UNIT.
THE FRONT WOULD BE FACING PROSPECT AND THE BLUE RIDGE AS THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE PHASING BLUE RIDGE.
ESSENTIALLY THE PROPERTY THAT'S THERE NOW, THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS ON THE FRONT, BUT THERE IS A REAR ENTRANCE.
HE HAD A SIDE ENTRANCE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE SIDE ENTRANCE.
AND ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS IF YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND, AND AGAIN, I AM NOT A BUILDER, BUT COULD YOU ALMOST TAKE THOSE TWO, SPLIT 'EM APART? LIKE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, DOING SPLIT APART AND KIND OF BACK UP.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK WITH YOU WITH THIS CORNER LOT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IF YOU'RE GONNA DETERMINE PROSPECT WOULD BE THE FRONT YARD.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE DESIGNATING THE FRONT ON PROSPECT ON ONE SIDE AND THE FRONT ON BLUE RIDGE ON THE OTHER, WE PROBABLY COULD ACCOMMODATE A 20.
UH, WE WOULD TREAT THAT AS A FRONT.
WE WOULD TREAT THAT AS A FRONT.
WE COULD TREAT THAT AS A FRONT ON PROSPECT WITH A 30 YARD, A 30 FOOT SETBACK.
BUT THEN THE PORCH COULD ENCROACH 10 FEET.
NOW I, I GOT, SHE'S, SHE'S COMING UP SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I, BUT THEN YOU GOT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE LOOKING LIKE THIS.
A SIDE OF ANOTHER ONE BUTTONED UP TO THE FRONT OF THIS ONE AND THE FRONT OF THAT ONE.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IN MY OPINION, IS LEFT DOOR, RIGHT DOOR WRAP AROUND PORCH COVERING THIS WRAP AROUND PORCH TO THE SIDE OVER HERE.
WRAP AROUND PORCH TO THE SIDE.
RIGHT? I WISH WITH PREACHER
AND I ACTUALLY, LIKE YOU SAID,
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LOOK AT PLANES LIKE THIS HIGH AND LOW.OR IF YOU DON'T WANT 'EM THE SAME, I'LL TAKE A BAY WINDOW OFF ONE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THE CORNER PORCH ON BOTH OF THEM.
THEY'D BOTH BE FACING SOME BLUE RIDGE AND THE DOOR, THE MAIN ENTRANCE DOOR WOULD BE ON THE CORNER.
PORCH WOULD DROP AROUND THE CORNER.
THERE'D BE A TWO BAY WINDOWS KIND OF SIDE BY SIDE IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU WANT TO ADD IN THE WINDOWS FOR PROSPECT STREET SIDE PORCH WOULD'VE A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
MAS WOULD'VE A STANDING CEMENT METAL ROOF.
I MEAN, UH, I THINK WHAT HOLLY WAS GETTING AT WAS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE SEE ONE THAT LOOKED LIKE ANOTHER HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
JUST, WELL, JUST ONE BIG HOUSE, BUT WELL, NO, I WAS LIKE, ONE HOUSE CUT UP INTERNALLY TO THE INSIDE.
BUT THE FIRE, IT'S NOT THAT EASY.
FIRE CODE WALLS GOTTA BE THROUGH.
I'VE DONE LOOK, TRUST ME, THROUGH THOUSANDS OF, AND WE HAVE TO DO A SEPARATION.
WE HAVE TO DO A SEPARATION LINE HERE.
BECAUSE THIS NEIGHBOR HAS TO KNOW WHERE HE'S AT.
AND THIS NEIGHBOR, WHEN THEY BUY A PROPERTY, IT HAS TO HAVE A SCENE RIGHT HERE WHERE THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT UNITS.
AND I COULDN'T OFFSET THIS UNIT TO GIVE IT A LITTLE CHARACTER.
INSTEAD OF A, IT'LL MAKE, IT'D GIVE IT A LITTLE CHARACTER.
IT'LL GIVE IT A LITTLE CHARACTER INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO FLAT FRONTS.
'CAUSE NOW WE'RE, MY TOWNHOUSE IS LIKE THESE, THEY'RE NOT FLAT FRONTS.
STAGGERED A LITTLE BIT, VERY LITTLE DEPTH.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S ALL THAT IS.
I CAN GIVE YOU, I GAVE YOU, I'VE OFFERED YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR.
I MEAN, IT STILL JUST LOOKS LIKE THAT.
I CAN, I'VE GAVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU'VE ASKED FOR.
IT'S A DUPLEX APPROVED FOR THAT LOT.
I GAVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU'VE ASKED FOR HERE.
I BRUNG A WINDOW WITH SMALL THINGS BECAUSE LAST MEETING WE WAS AT, IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT SMALL, UH, TRIM ON THE WINDOWS.
I BRUNG A WINDOW WITH VERY SMALL TRIM.
I, THAT ONE HAS GRILLS, BUT IT DON'T HAVE TO HAVE GRILLS.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS.
BUT WE CAN MATCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE WINDOWS.
IF YOU, YOU GUYS ARE WANTING TO SEE SOMETHING ELSE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU, NOT A BUILDER, BUT I JUST, I KNOW WHAT LOOKS CONSISTENT AND RESPECTFUL AND WHAT DOESN'T.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT ELSE TO HOW ELSE TO PUT IT.
SO THE LONGER THIS GOES ON, WE'RE NOT GOING
UM, BECAUSE THAT GOING, IT'S MY FAULT.
AND WITH UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
WELL, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, BUT AT THIS TIME, UM, WROTE SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NEXT.
THERE'S NO OTHER, THERE'S NO OTHER MAJOR DESIGN ALTERNATIVES THAT YOU CAN I YOU THE PROPERTY.
I WISH IF I'D LOVE TO LIVE ON BLUE RIDGE.
IF I HAD THE MONEY I'D, ID LOVE TO HAVE YOU BUILD YOUR HOUSE.
UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DESIGN ALTERNATIVES AT THIS TIME THAT YOU'RE
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WILLING TO SUBMIT DIFFERENT IDEAS, DIFFERENT LAYOUTS, UM, I'M OF THE MIND THAT WE HAVE TO DENY THIS APPLICATION.IF YOU, WE COULD TABLE IT IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK WITH A, A DIFFERENT IDEA.
SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY AT THIS POINT.
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO GOT BIT BY THE PIMPLES.
LIKE A, EVERYTHING STILL BE RECORDED.
MORE OF A BAD STAY ON TOPIC WHILE WE'RE RECORDING.
I UNDER IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT WAS JUST A HOUSE THAT HAD A PARTY WALL IN IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING, LOOKING FOR.
IT IS JUST KIND OF BUILD BACK A VERY SIMILAR HOUSE AND RIGHT.
ONE ENTRANCE ON THE SIDE BECAUSE THEY SPLIT UP THE MIDDLE STILL WELL, OR DOUBLE DOORS.
AND THEY GET, YOU KNOW, ONE DOOR AND ONE DOOR IS AGENT ENTRANCE BECAUSE THEY USED TO HAVE DOUBLE DOORS.
YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL SAYING VERY SIMILAR.
IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE BUT YOU KNOW, AND YOU SEE IT.
WHAT DO WE GOT? I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA OFFER IT 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA GET ME WHERE I WANT TO GO.
WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU THE METAL ROOF WOULD APPLY.
APPROVE IT AS WE SUBMIT, AS WE HAVE SUBMITTED IT WITH MY CHANGES.
THAT MEANS TELL YOU I'VE STOOD HERE AND I'VE THROW EVERY CARD OF MINE ON THE TABLE.
THE DESIGN OF THE TOWNHOUSE IS GOING TO BE THE SAME.
THE DUPLEX, IT'S GONNA BE THE BOX.
I CAN OFFSET IT FOR YOU, GIVE YOU THAT CHARACTER THAT IT DON'T LOOK LIKE A STRAIGHT LITTLE TOWNHOUSE BUILT ON EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD.
I'VE GAVE YOU YOUR PORCH, I'VE GAVE YOU YOUR METAL AND I GAVE YOU YOUR
BUT NOW I HAVE OFFERED YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR.
SO TO ME IT IS IN YOUR, YOUR DAY.
AND SO THAT'S US WORKING WITH YOU, BUT NOT GETTING NOTHING BACK FROM THIS SET.
WELL THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN OFFER IS
AND THAT'S, IS THERE ANY OTHER PLAN THAT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE? NO, I HAVE LOOKED COUNTLESS HOURS.
I'M TELLING YOU WE HAVE, I HAVE GONE THAT APPROACH.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY OPTION YOU'RE TELLING ME FOR A DUPLEX IS, IS A BOX IS A TWO.
IT'S IT, IT'S A COST EFFECTIVE BOX.
BUT I'M IN A BUSINESS TO SET TO, I HAVE OFFERED YOU EVERYTHING.
THIS THING RIGHT NOW, I'VE PROBABLY OFFERED YOU 40 TO $40,000 IN UPGRADES TODAY ON THIS UNIT.
THAT METAL ROOF'S GONNA COST ME $20,000.
I THAT GAVE YOU, I GAVE YOU THAT.
WHAT ELSE ARE WE GONNA DO TO A DUPLEX? MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT.
I HAVE LOOKED FOR PLANS AND PLANS.
I THINK I'VE DONE, I THINK I'VE DID EVERYTHING I CAN DO FOR YOU.
LET'S JUST VOTE ON WHAT? SO I THINK I'M JUST GONNA HAVE TO, UH, I DIDN'T COME WILLING TO GIVE YOU THE WORLD, BUT I GAVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU ASKED FOR.
I'VE OFFERED YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU ASKED FOR AND Y'ALL STILL DO NOT AGREE.
AND THAT YOU CAN'T TURN ME DOWN ON A DUPLEX SO THAT DUPLEX IS GOING THERE.
SO Y'ALL HAVE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT.
I GAVE YOU EVERYTHING FOR A DUPLEX.
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THERE.HE UNDERSTANDS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
Y'ALL HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH IT TOO.
AND I'M, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN WANT EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD, BUT LOGISTICALLY EVERYTHING AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
I CAN LEAVE THE HOUSE, STAND THERE AND IT LOOK LIKE THE AFTERNOON WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH IT.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA DO THAT.
I'M A CONSCIOUS PERSON OF WHAT I DO.
BUT SINCE I'VE COME TO THIS MEETING, I THINK I'VE THROWED EVERYTHING I COULD GIVE YOU.
AND I'VE GOT NOTHING IN RETURN.
I'VE GAVE YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR.
THAT'S $40,000 PER 40 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS I'VE OFFERED YOU AND UPGRADES ON THIS THING.
AND PLUS GET RID OF A HOUSE WITHIN A COUPLE WEEKS.
NOBODY WANTS TO SPEND MORE MONEY THAN THEY HAVE TO.
UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN WARREN COUNTY.
AND THEY, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY MORE VACANCIES? YOU ON THIS STORE? OKAY.
IS THAT A TOWN THING? UM, YEAH, YOU CAN SUBMIT APPLICATION.
UM, SEE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BOARDS.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS TO WARREN COUNTY.
WHAT'S THAT? THEY SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING WHEN WE'RE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF THESE BOARDS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE THE PEOPLE, NEVERMIND.
I'M GOING, I'M GONNA WITHDRAW A VOTE.
THE PROBLEM, HISTORIC DISTRICT CAN BE CLOSED.
THE PROBLEM IS JUST TAKE A VOTE.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE.
I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER FROM YOU.
WHAT ON IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO TABLE THIS? NO.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER DESIGN OPTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION.
JUST TAKE WHAT? I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I'M, UH, THE HOUSE IS, I WAS IN A HURRY TO GET THE PERMIT.
NO, WE GOTTA GET SOMETHING RESOLVED.
SO WE'RE GONNA COME BACK NOWHERE NEXT WEEK OR THE NEXT MONTH.
AND WE'RE GONNA WASTE A MONTH.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DO THE SAME THING.
SO WE GOTTA AGREE ON IF WE'RE GONNA TABLE IT.
THIS PLAN, THIS IS THE SIDING WE'RE GONNA USE.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT, WE'RE AIMLESSLY, WE'RE LOST.
WE'VE SPENT AN HOUR AND WE HAVEN'T RESOLVED ANYTHING.
THEN THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO FRUSTRATED.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA END UP IN THE SAME POSITION, I'D RATHER YOU JUST DENY IT.
IF THEY TELL ME THE SAME THING, THAT'S THAT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME POSITION IF WE HAVE A DIFFERENT DESIGN.
BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN ANOTHER JUROR.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT OFFERING ANOTHER DESIGN.
THE DESIGN IS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE CAN'T APPROVE WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED.
WELL YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY ON THAT BEHALF.
SO AS EVERYBODY DENYING IT, LET'S TAKE VOTE.
WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND AND A VOTE.
I HEARD HIM TRYING TO WORK IT IN HIS HEAD ON THE ONE WITH THE OTHER ENTRANCE, BUT THEY DIDN'T APPROVE THAT.
THEY DON'T WANT, THEY DON'T WANNA PROVE ANYTHING.
I SAT HERE AND I COULD REDESIGN THE WHOLE TOWNHOUSE INSIDE, OUTSIDE.
I GAVE THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANTED BUT THEY STILL DON'T LIKE IT.
WE'RE JUST SAYING GIVE US SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE AND NOBODY HAS AN ANSWER OF WHAT YOU DO WANT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE PLAN THAT SUBMITTED.
JUST, JUST STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO DENY THIS APPLICATION, YOU HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC WHY YOU ARE DENYING THIS APPLICATION AND THE REASONS FOR YOU REMEMBER OFFERED YOU EVERYTHING.
MAKE THE MOTION, DENY THE APPLICATION.
YOU HAVE TO STATE THE REASONS WHY YOU'RE DENYING THE APPLICATION.
SO SOME OTHER PIECES TO THAT THOUGH IS THAT HE HAS OFFERED TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN.
YOU CAN PROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS.
BUT I'M ASKING IN TERMS OF, SO I, I AM, I GUESS I'M ASKING HOW DO YOU DO THAT WHEN HE'S MADE SOME OFFERINGS BUT THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN WHAT'S SUBMITTED? YOU, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND LIST THE CONDITIONS SPECIFICALLY.
YOU CAN LIST METAL STANDING SCENE, METAL ROOF ON THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
THE NEW TYPE OF SIDING WITH THAT NAME OF THE SIDING.
THE SMART SIDING, THE OFFSET OF THE HOUSE.
THE PORCHES ON THE LEFT FRONT.
UH, IF YOU NEED TO WRITE THOSE DOWN OR WE CAN WRITE THOSE DOWN.
SO THE MOTION IS CLEAR IF, IS THAT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS? IF YOU'RE GOING TO DISAPPROVE IT, YOU ALSO HAVE TO LIST SPECIFICALLY WHY YOU ARE DENYING THIS APPLICATION.
I HAVE GAVE YOU EVERY SPECIFIC THING THAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR.
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YOU NEED IT TO HIT.UH, I'M WRITING DOWN WHAT YOU LP SIDING, METAL ROOF, FRONT PORCH LP.
SMART SIDING, SAGE AND COLOR BLACK STANDING SCENE, METAL ROOF ON THE PORCHES.
AND THE MAIN STRUCTURE, HOLD ON JUST A SEC.
OFFSET HOW FAR? TEDDY? TWO FEET.
SMART SIDING STAGE BLACK STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON BAY WINDOWS AND HOUSE TRUCTURE WINDOWS, PORCHES AND MAIN STRUCTURE.
FRONT PORCHES OFFSET TWO FEET.
DUPLEX OFFSET TWO FEET ON YOUR FRONT PORCH.
IT'S GONNA BE IN THE, THE LEFT FRONT THEN IN THE RIGHT FRONT.
OUT FOUR FOOT LEFT, LEFT FRONT.
I DON'T, THAT'S SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO WHERE, WHERE IT'S AT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO DO TRACKS AND VINYLS.
BUT ON THE DECK, YEAH, ON THE PORCHES FRONT.
PORCHES IS THERE DECKS IN THE BATH? 12 SIXTEENS? YES.
WELL YOU'RE GONNA CUT THAT BACK AT LEAST TO THREE COMPOSITE DECKING.
YOU'D RATHER DO COMPOSITE DECKING.
IT'S ONLY GONNA BE AND THE PORCH IS COMPOSITE DECKING.
AND I'LL PAINT 'EM BECAUSE WHEN I LEAVE I DON'T CARE.
HE SAID HE IS A, THEY, I MEAN I WOULD PUT THAT DECK.
WHO ELSE WAS ON THAT LIST? VINYL.
SO I GUESS WE'RE GONNA
WE ADDED, WE DID ADD, UH, TWO WINDOWS TO THE PROSPECT STREET SIDE.
LP SMART SIDING, SAGE, BLACK STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON BAY WINDOWS.
THE PORCHES AND THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
LEFT FRONT WRAPAROUND, RIGHT FRONT WRAPAROUND WITH COMPOSITE MATERIAL PORCHES, VINYL RAILINGS, DUPLEX OFFSET TWO FEET COMPOSITE DECKING IN THE REAR OR WHERE THE DECKS ARE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
ADD TWO WINDOWS TO THE CROSS CREEK.
I AM GOING TO MAKE, DO YOU WANT THIS OR DID YOU WAIT? OH NO, THAT SUMMARIZED.
UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
UM, BECAUSE, UM, IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE IN THE DESIGN WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR RESPECTFUL OF THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
AND BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN NO ALTERNATIVE DESIGN PROPOSED, UM, OTHER THAN JUST THE ONE THAT THEY'VE GIVEN US.
IT'S GONNA GET CLEAN NO MATTER WHAT.
THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I
HE, HE WAS, LET'S, UM, LET'S WRAP THIS UP.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS FOR THIS EVENING? UH, YOU'LL HAVE A MEETING, UH, SINCE YOU TABLED THE UH, FIRST APPLICATION YOU'LL HAVE THAT NEXT FUND.
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AS WELL AS A GARAGE ON VIRGINIA AVENUE.'CAUSE THE DEADLINE IS WAS TODAY.
UM, ANY NOTES ON THE GUIDELINES? ANYBODY HAVE TIME TO RANK ON THAT AT ALL? I KIND OF WENT THROUGH IT.
IT WAS, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL ELLEN IS AROUND UNTIL LIKE, HAVE EVERYONE DISCUSS IT OR AS LONG AS WE, EVERYBODY'S GOT A COUPLE OF NOTES JOTTED DOWN SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS FOR THE NEXT WEEK OR THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
YEAH, I HAD SOMETHING JUST TONIGHT FROM SEEING THE OTHER ONES.
SOME THINGS CONTRADICT THEMSELVES.
YEAH, I KNOW YOU'RE KIND OF WELL, AND I OUT, I AM ON MY WAY OUT THE DOOR.
UM, AND I, IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS, YOUR INPUT BEFORE YOU GO.
I DON'T HAVE A TON OF TIME TO DO THAT, BUT IF I CAN FIND SOME TIME, I'LL TRY.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS? SO JOE WILL BE YOUR LAST MEETING.
SO IT WOULD NOT COME BACK FOR NOVEMBER? UM, NO.
'CAUSE I THINK IT EXPIRES NOVEMBER 1ST.
1113 IS IS WHEN THE TERM IS UP.
LET ME LOOK AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING THAT IS.
UH, I I THINK IT WOULD BE, I THINK I WOULD DO IT.
ACTUALLY THE 12TH IS THE NOVEMBER 12TH MEETING.
THERE'S A CHANCE I WON'T BE ABLE TO OKAY.
YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO AT, AT THE, ON THE 12TH.
ALTHOUGH, HOLD IT, IT MIGHT NOT BE THE 12TH BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A HOLIDAY.
I'M SORRY, I'M THINKING OUT LOUD.
YOU GUYS VETERANS IS THE 11TH? YEAH, THE 11TH.
THE REASON BEING IS COUNSEL WOULD, HAS TO HAVE THE ROOM AND WE, I THINK WE HAD TO MOVE IT TO THE 13TH.
SO THE 11TH IS A HO TOWN HOLIDAY.
SO COUNSEL WILL HAVE THIS ROOM THAT THE BAR MEETING IN NOVEMBER IS THE 13TH.
LAST MEETING ON YOUR LAST DAY.
I'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW, SEE IF I WILL OR WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? WASN'T, DIDN'T ELLEN HAVE LIKE SHE WOULD SAID SHE WAS GONNA SEND LIKE COMMENTS? YEAH, WE DIDN'T DID SHE SEND YOU SOME COMMENTS? I'LL HAVE TO LOOK.
I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER QUITE HONESTLY.
SHE EMAILED ME COMPLIMENTS MM-HMM.
AND WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T READ THOSE ALOUD BECAUSE SHE'S NOT HERE.
I CHECKED WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
CAN YOU SHARE 'EM WITH US? NO, BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S OUT LOUD AT THE MEETING.
UM, WE, WE DID OFFER, UM, THERE'S A, CAN YOU SHARE AN EMAIL? SO IT'S, THERE'S A REMOTE PROCESS.
IT COULD, IT COULD HAVE BEEN ADOPT, ADOPTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING AND WE COULD HAVE CALLED HER AND SHE COULD CONFERENCE IN.
BUT SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
SHE WASN'T TRYING TO VOTE, SHE JUST WANTED TO SHARE COMMENTS.
YOU CAN'T SHARE 'EM WITH US IN EMAIL.
I MEAN, SHE COULD PROBABLY EMAIL YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
I'LL, I'LL, I WOULD EXPECT YOU TO BE BACK IN THE NEXT MEETING, SO YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE? SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I'LL SECOND THAT.
WAIT, SOMEBODY'S GONNA MAKE A, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
LET ME, UM, TAKE YOURSELF ME JUST CUT EVERYTHING.