* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. FURTHER, THE, UH, [00:00:01] TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR WORK SESSION OF MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 9TH. [Town Council Work Session on September 9, 2024.] TO ORDER MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR RO HERE. VICE MAYOR . ABSENT. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. COUNCILMAN MORRIS? HERE. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? HERE. COUNCILMAN HERE. COUNCILMAN WOOD HERE. SO OUR FIRST ITEM THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS OUR V STAR STATE. OH, I'M SO SORRY. CAN WE MAKE CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? ABSOLUTELY. I MOVE THAT COUNSEL, ADD TO THE AGENDA AND ITEM TO THE CLOSED MEETING, SPECIFICALLY TO BE THE CONDITIONAL VACATION AND SALE OF A PORTION OF NORTH ROYAL AVENUE AND AN UNIMPROVED ALLEYWAY BETWEEN NORTH ROYAL AVENUE AND VIRGINIA AVENUE, AND TO THE REGULAR AGENDA UNDER NEW BUSINESS AS ITEM 3D DMV MATCHING GRANT FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND BUDGET AMENDMENT SECOND. OKAY. UM, LET'S JUST DO A ROLL CALL. VICE MAYOR ABSENT. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT HERE? YES. SORRY. COUNCILMAN ? YES. COUNCILMAN WOOD? YES. OKAY. SO WE WILL ADD THOSE TWO ITEMS. UM, THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE ENCLOSED AND THAT'LL BE PART OF THE CLOSED MEETING MOTION. AND THEN, UM, UH, TO NEW BUSINESS ITEM THREE. SO ITEM TWO TONIGHT IS THE BDO STAR STUDY UPDATE. AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE, WE HAD THAT, UM, ON ONE OF OUR WORK SESSION IN THE PAST AND SOMETHING HAPPENED, UM, AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO IT. AND SO ADAM CAMPBELL IS HERE TONIGHT VIRTUALLY, WHICH I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC CAN SEE HERE AND HERE NOW. SO, UH, ADAM, ARE YOU READY? GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. CAN YOU HEAR ME ALRIGHT? YES, I THINK SO. DOES EVERYBODY FEEL LIKE, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR HIM OVER THERE? MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LOUD. LET'S SEE. , I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON OUR END OR, UH, I THINK I HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHARE MY SCREEN, SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL UP MY RIGHT. ARE YOU ALL ABLE TO SEE MY SCREEN? YES. WELL, I CAN. UM, YES. YES. . OKAY. WELL, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, PRESENT YOU ALL TONIGHT. UM, AS I'M SURE MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, UH, VDOT IN COLLABORATION WITH, UM, WARREN COUNTY AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL HAS BEEN WORKING ON A STARS STUDY TO LOOK AT ROADWAY OPERATIONS AND SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ALONG US 3 35 22, UH, BETWEEN THE NORTH TO, UH, BRIDGE THEDO RIVER, UH, EXTENDING NORTHWARD UP TO, UM, EXIT SIX WITH I 66, UH, AND ON TO COUNTRY CLUB ROAD, THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTRY CLUB ROAD. UM, SO TONIGHT I WAS GONNA BE GIVING THE SAME UPDATE THAT I GAVE TO THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD SUPERVISORS EARLIER . UM, IT IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE FINAL STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OUR STUDY INTERSECTIONS AND KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF OUR FINAL, UH, ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. WE DID AN ONLINE SURVEY TO PRESENT THE STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS AND TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC. UM, SO AGAIN, UH, STAR STANDS FOR STRATEGICALLY TARGETED AFFORDABLE ROADWAY SOLUTIONS. UM, IT'S ONE OF THE VDO T'S PRIMARY STUDY PROGRAMS. UH, WE GET CANDIDATE, UH, ROADWAY SEGMENTS FROM VDOT CENTRAL OFFICE IN RICHMOND EVERY YEAR BASED ON CRASH DATA AND CONGESTION DATA. UH, SO THIS SECTION OF 5 22 3 40, UH, ROSE AS A CANDIDATE LOCATION, UM, LAST YEAR. UH, SO THAT'S WHAT, AND IT WAS MAINLY, IT WAS MAINLY ON SAFETY, THE CRASH HISTORY ALONG THE CORRIDOR, BUT THERE WERE ALSO ALSO SOME, UH, PM PEAK HOUR, UH, CONGESTION EASE ALONG THE CORRIDOR ALSO. SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHAT INITIATED THE STUDY. UM, SO I MENTIONED OUR, OUR PUBLIC SURVEY THAT WE DID. WE, WE HAD IT OPEN FOR TWO WEEKS BACK IN JUNE. UM, TO PRESENT THE STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WE HAD 237 TOTAL PARTICIPANTS WITH 290 COMMENTS IN THE 1900 TOTAL RESPONSES BETWEEN COMMENTS AND THE, THE RANKINGS OF, OF, UH, THE IMPROVEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, JUST TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON WHERE THE PARTICIPANTS THAT TOOK THE SURVEY CAME FROM, THE ONES THAT REPORTED, UM, YOU SEE A 67% ARE FROM THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY ZIP CODE FROM A HOME ZIP CODE ADDRESS. UH, AND THEN ABOUT A QUARTER SPREAD BETWEEN THE MIDDLE COUNTY AREA, STEVENS CITY AND BURG, UH, FOR WORK ZIP CODES, ROUGHLY THE SAME 63% [00:05:01] FROM ROCK ROYAL WARREN COUNTY, UM, AREA. AND THEN THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY PEAKS FROM THE WORK STANDPOINT OUTSIDE OF THAT WAS ROUGHLY 7% FROM, FROM THE MIDDLETOWN AREA. AND, UH, I'LL NOTE AS WE GO ALONG, FEEL FREE TO, UH, INTERRUPT ANY OF ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, UM, ON THE SLIDES. ADAM, I JUST WANNA SAY AS FAR AS THE MIDDLETOWN ZIP CODE GOES, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN WARREN COUNTY, BUT THEY HAVE A MIDDLETOWN ZIP CODE. OKAY. BELIEVE IT OR NOT. SO IT COULD VERY WELL BE THAT THOSE MIDDLETOWN FOLKS, BECAUSE OUT RELIANCE ROAD AND EVEN AS FAR OUT PAST GUARD HILL ROAD, THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY, THEY LIVE IN WARREN COUNTY, BUT THEY HAVE A MIDDLETOWN ZIP CODE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK. UM, SO WE'LL START WITH OUR STUDY INTERSECTIONS FROM STARTING WITH THE SOUTHERN MOST, WORKING OUR WAY NORTH ALONG THE CORRIDOR. SO OUR FIRST ONE HERE IS THE INTERSECTION OF 3 45 22 AND GUARD HILL ROAD. UM, THIS, THIS INTERSECTION, THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION IN THE STUDY BASED ON OUR TRAFFIC FORECASTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR AND OPERATIONAL CONCERNS WITH THAT FORECAST WAS IN FACT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. UM, HOWEVER, ONCE WE DID A LITTLE FURTHER ANALYSIS, UH, WE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SUPPORTING, UH, SIGNAL JUSTIFICATION REPORT, UM, IN ORDER TO SUPPORT A SIGNAL. UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN WITH THE FORECASTED VOLUMES WE HAD LOOKING OUT TO, TO ROUGHLY 2035, THERE'S JUST, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TRAFFIC ON THE SIDE STREETS TO WARRANT, UM, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THIS LOCATION. SO WE KIND OF FELL BACK TO, UH, A, AN INTERIM SOLUTION, UH, THAT WE THINK CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE CRASH TRENDS WE SEE. WE SEE WITH THE FIVE YEARS OF CRASH DATA WE LOOKED AT. UM, AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR, MONITOR THIS INTERSECTION FOR IF AND WHEN, UH, SIGNAL WARRANTS ARE MET IN THE FUTURE. UM, BUT BASICALLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO IMPROVE THE, THE GUARD HILL APPROACH TO THE INTERSECTION WITH SOME MEDIA CHANNELIZATION. UH, THIS WILL HELP IMPROVE SITE DISTANCE AND HAVE A BETTER, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF TURNING VEHICLES AS THEY APPROACH THE INTERSECTION TO HELP THAT GUARD HILL ROAD TRAFFIC, UH, GET INTO 3 45 22. UH, WE'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING SOME ADVANCED WARNING SIGNAGE FOR THE INTERSECTION COMING SOUTHBOUND FROM 66 ON 3 45 22. UM, SINCE THIS IS KIND OF A LOW COST RECOMMENDATION, THIS, THIS IS ONE WE'RE ACTUALLY HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH, UH, WORKING WITH THE VI AND THE RESIDENCY AND OUR VDOT STANTON DISTRICT TRAFFIC ENGINEERING. WE HOPING, WE'RE HOPING WE CAN IMPLEMENT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS MORE IN THE SHORT TERM, UH, SINCE IT IS A RELATIVELY LOW COST, UM, IMPROVEMENT THERE. ADAM, UM, COUNCILMAN MORRIS, I'M ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE AS WELL, THAT YOU'VE MET WITH A FEW TIMES. WHAT PART OF, UM, WARRANTING A STOPLIGHT WASN'T MET THERE? WAS IT THE TRAFFIC COUNT, THE ACCIDENTS? WHAT PART OF IT DIDN'T WARRANT A TRAFFIC LIGHT? SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE NUMEROUS, UH, WARRANTS, THERE'S EIGHT WARRANTS IN TOTAL. SOME OF THEM, SOME OF THEM DON'T APPLY TO ALL, UH, ALL SITUATIONS, RIGHT? FOR THIS CASE, WE LOOKED AT WHAT IS AN EIGHT HOUR WARRANT. SO THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT HAS A CERTAIN VOLUME CRITERIA FOR EIGHT HOURS OF THE DAY THAT THERE'S FOUR HOUR WARRANTS. UM, THAT LOOKS AT FOUR HOURS OF TRAFFIC WARRANT, THE DAY, PEAK HOUR WARRANT, WHICH LOOKS AT THE SINGLE MOST, UH, HIGHEST VOLUME OF THE DAY. AND, UH, CRASH WARRANT, WHICH LOOKS AT FIVE YEARS OF CRASH DATA. UM, IT DID NOT MEET THE OWNER WARRANT, IT MET WAS THE PEAK HOUR WARRANT. AND DOES NOT TYPICALLY SUPPORT TRAFFIC SIGNALS, UH, FOR, FOR ONE HOUR OF VOLUME A DAY. IT'S JUST THAT THE SIDE STREET VOLUMES HERE, GUARD HILL ROAD, I MEAN THE MAINLINE VOLUMES BE IT THE WARRANTS ALL DAY. IT'S JUST THE GUARD HILL ROAD VOLUMES ARE SO LOW IT DOESN'T MEET THE FOUR HOUR, EIGHT HOUR AWARDS. I JUST WANT, I WANNA APOLOGIZE, TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE TALK TO ME ABOUT A LIGHT THERE AND WHEN WE HAD OUR INITIAL, UM, MEETING WITH YOU, AND WE THOUGHT THAT THAT, THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A LIGHT. SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT. SO THIS IS, THIS IS A, A CHANGE FROM WHAT WE SAID BEFORE. UM, SO, BUT I, I GET IT. IT'S, IT'S BASED ON YOUR DATA. I JUST WAS SAYING THAT WE KINDA, UM, WE KINDA TOLD PEOPLE THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A LIGHT THERE, SO, SO THIS WILL BE A CHANGE. YES. AND I'LL NOTE THAT, UM, BASED ON OUR OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS, UH, WE, WE THINK IT IS, I MEAN, IT IS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE WARRANTS ARE MET. SO, UH, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS WHY WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO MONITOR, UM, MOVING FORWARD FOR WHEN THE SIGNAL IS WARRANTED. ULTIMATELY, WE THINK THAT IS THE IMPROVEMENT AT THIS LOCATION. YEAH. UH, I, I'M, UH, [00:10:01] BRUCE REPORT, UH, ADAM, MY, MY MAIN CONCERN AT THIS POINT, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE WARRANTS, UH, ACTIVITY AND ALL, BUT MAKING A LEFT TURN COMING FROM THE RIVER, IF YOU'RE CROSSING, UH, IF, IF YOU CAN, CAN YOU STILL MAKE A LEFT TURN COMING FROM THE RIVER COMING NORTH ON 3 45 T TWO STILL, UH, ON THE SIDE STREET, UH, ON THE BOTTOM, ON THE BOTTOM RIVER YOU WANT ME TO POINT TO FROM RIVER, FROM THE RIVERTON LANDING? YEAH, YOU WILL. YES. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING ANY TURNING MOVEMENTS WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE. YEAH, THAT , THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE HAIRY WITH THAT BLIND TURN. THAT'S A BLIND TURN THERE. UH, AND UH, SPEED LIMIT GOES UP TO 45 MILES PER HOUR THERE, IF I RECALL. UH, I JUST HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT A POTENTIAL FATALITY, SERIOUS FATALITY THERE. I THINK IT MOVES TO 45 PAST WHERE NOVA'S ARK USED TO BE, RIGHT? NO, THE SPEED LIMIT CHANGED TO 45. CHIEF, WHERE THE TOWN LIMITS ON IS ONCE IT, ONCE IT HITS THE BRIDGE, IT GOES 35 BRIDGE. IT'S 40. YEAH. SO AT BIRD HILL IT'S 45. YEAH, IT'S 45. 45 GOES IT. 45 TO 35 RIGHT THERE. BRIDGE . YEAH. AND YOU, AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, WHEN ALL THESE, ALL THESE SLIDES ARE ALL THE RECOMMENDATION SLIDES I'LL SHOW YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE AVERAGE RATING OUT OF A RATING OF FIVE BEING THE HIGHEST, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC SURVEY. SO ANYTIME WE HAVE A RATING BELOW THREE, IT'S, IT'S LOWER BASED ON OUR AVERAGE TREND. SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS MANY COMMENTS SUPPORTING, REQUESTING A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THIS LOCATION THAT, THAT THIS IS NOT ENOUGH. SO WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION AND CONCERNS AND LIKE I SAID, WE, THIS IS A LOCATION WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR. OKAY, MOVING UP TO THE NEXT LOCATION. UH, SO THIS IS A COMBINED IMPROVEMENT WITH THE EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE PARK AND RIDE AND THE EXISTING UNSIGN FULL ACCESS MEDIUM BREAK AT THE MCDONALD'S, UM, DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO WITH THIS ONE, WE SAW A HIGH NUMBER OF ANGLE CRASHES, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE FULL ACCESS UNSIGN CROSSOVER AT MCDONALD'S LOCATION. UM, SO BASED ON, BASED ON THE, THE SPACING DISTANCE BETWEEN THESE TWO INTERSECTIONS AND THAT PREVAILING CRASH TREND, UM, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STUDY IS TO DO A REDUCED CONFLICT INTERSECTION, WHICH BASICALLY CONVERTS THE FULL ACCESS CROSSOVER TO A NORTHBOUND LEFT IN, UM, ONLY, AND THEN MAINTAINING SOUTHBOUND RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT. SO, UH, VEHICLES LEAVING THE MCDONALD'S WISHING TO GO BACK TO THE NORTH BACK TO THE INTERSTATE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO TAKE A RIGHT. AND THEN THE SIGNAL EXISTINGS OF THE PARK AND RIDE WOULD BE REBUILT, UM, WITH A, WITH AN, AN IMPROVEMENT IN THE, I SEE. THIS WOULD BE THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE INTERSECTION TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, TURNING RADIUS FOR ALL VEHICLE TYPES. UM, SO THEY WOULD BASICALLY COME DOWN HERE AND MAKE A U-TURN AT THE EXISTING SIGNAL TO HEAD BACK TO THE NORTH. UM, THAT'S EXPECTED TO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CRASHES THAT WE SEE HERE WITHIN THE THIGH HERE, CRASH PERIOD. AND, UH, ALSO THIS, THIS WOULD ALSO IMPROVE HELP REBUILDING THE SIGNAL WOULD ALSO IMPROVE SIGNAL OPERATIONS HERE BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S SOME, SOME THINGS WITH HOW IT WAS SIGNAL WAS BUILT IN THE PAST THAT'S, UH, UNDESIRABLE IN TERMS OF SIGNAL AHEAD PLACEMENT, UH, FOR THIS APPROACH. SO WE EXPECT THERE BE TO BE SOME OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS WITH THIS SIGNAL REBUILD AS WELL. ADAM, DO YOU, DO YOU FORESEE ANY ISSUES WITH, UH, PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THERE MAKING A RIGHT TO GO DOWN TO DO THE U-TURN? THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CROSS A CROSS ACROSS SEVERAL LANES TO GET IN THE LEFT LANE AND IN PEAK TIME, UM, IS THERE A DISTANCE THAT YOU GUYS MONITOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET OVER IN THAT LEFT LANE TO MAKE THAT U-TURN? YES, WE DID CONSIDER THAT. AND THAT'S WITH THE, THE SPACING THAT WAS HERE, THAT IT WAS DETERMINED TO BE ADEQUATE TO MAKE THAT MANEUVER SAFELY. TRUCK TRACTOR, TRACTOR, TRACTOR TRAILER, TRACTOR TRAILERS. BUT , THAT'S AN EXCELLENT AND, AND A HAMPTON INN NOW. YEAH, THEY DO GO DOWN THERE. YEAH. STRUCTURE DELIVER FUEL. YEAH. [00:15:01] YEAH, THEY GO, I WILL SAY THIS ONE DID HAVE A, YOU'LL HAD HIGHER RATING 3.35. THERE WAS GENERAL SUPPORT AND THROUGHOUT THE COMMENTS, UH, WITH THE MAIN CONCERN BEING MAKE SURE THAT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WITH THE U-TURN MOVEMENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE U-TURN IS NECESSARILY WHAT COUNCILMAN DE DOMINICO PAYNE'S CONCERN WAS, BUT IT'S GETTING OVER ALL THE LANES TO THE LEFT TO MAKE THE U-TURN AND THAT SHORT STRETCH, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE PULLING OUT INTO THE RIGHT LANE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GET OVER ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT TO MAKE THE U-TURN. I GUESS IT'S NOT, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME IN TOWN AND TURN FOR A TRUCK. WELL, HE'S SAYING THEY'RE GONNA EXPAND IT. OKAY. COULD BE. NOW THERE COULD BE AN OPTION BECAUSE THERE ALREADY IS A TWO LANE APPROACH, UM, OUT OF THIS INTERSECTION, THERE COULD BE AN OPTION WHERE YOU DO, IT COULD, IT WOULD BE TRICKY BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE HERE. YOU'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME CREATIVE SIGNAGE OR END PAVEMENT MARKINGS. BUT THERE COULD BE A WAY TO, TO SEPARATE TRAFFIC THAT WANTS TO TAKE A RIGHT JUST TO HEAD SOUTH BACK INTO TOWN OR TO TAKE A RIGHT TO MAKE A U-TURN. UM, YOU COULD HAVE THEM TURNING INTO THE DESIGNATE, THE OUTSIDE LANE TO MAKE THE U-TURN MOVEMENT. SO YOU BASICALLY WAIT THERE UNTIL YOUR GAP, UNTIL YOU HAVE A GAP TO GET INTO THAT INSIDE LANE. AND SO YOU'RE ALREADY READY TO MERGE INTO THE U-TURN LANE THAT IS ADAM. ISN'T THAT SOMEWHAT DEPENDENT ON WHAT YOU DO WITH THE, UH, 66 RAMP AND WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA STOP THE TRAFFIC OR ALLOW THEM A MERGE, BECAUSE ALLOWING A MERGE MEANS TRAFFIC CAN FLOW EVEN WHEN THE LIGHT, WHEN THE LIGHT IS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO COME OFF 66, UM, HITTING MEANS. YEAH. SO THAT WILL, THIS SHOULD ALSO HELP, UM, CREATE THIS, THIS IS MOVING TO THE NORTH, TO THE EASTBOUND RAMPS. UH, THIS SHOULD ALSO HELP WITH THE IMPROVEMENT HERE, CREATE GAPS. UM, THIS, THE WEAVE THAT'S CREATED NOW WITH THE FREE FLOW, UH, EASTBOUND OFF RAMP, RIGHT TURN, UM, LANE THAT TURNS INTO THE RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE MCDONALD'S, UH, BASED ON THE WEAVE PATTERN AND THE CRASHES WE ARE SEEING THERE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO REMOVE THAT FREE FLOW, UH, CHANGE THE SINGLE RIGHT TURN, UM, INTO A DUAL RIGHT TURN THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THE EXISTING SIGNAL. SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE VEHICLES TO STOP AND WOULD HELP CREATE ADDITIONAL GAPS FOR THESE VEHICLES TRYING TO TAKE A RIGHT OUT OF THE MCDONALD'S. SO I WILL NOTE THAT THIS ENDED UP BEING SUBMITTED AS A SMART SCALE APPLICATION. UM, AND IT WAS, IT WAS GROUPED. SO THIS PRO, THIS IMPROVEMENT WITH THE RAMP IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'LL WALK THROUGH, WERE ALL SUBMITTED AS AS A GROUP, UH, APPLICATION AND SMART SCALE. I, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO CREATE A QUEUE ANY QUEUE TIME FOR, BECAUSE WHEN THOSE CARS ARE COMING OFF THAT DUAL RIGHT LANE, I MEAN, SOME OF 'EM ARE GOING TO YIELD AND OTHERS ARE JUST GONNA TRY TO BLEND IN. UH, WELL, I MEAN THIS IS GONNA BE, THIS IS GONNA BE CONTROLLED BY THE SIGNAL, SO THERE'LL BE NEW SIGNAL HEADS. THERE WILL, THERE WILL BE A SIGNAL. OKAY. OKAY. IT'S GONNA BE TIED INTO THE EXISTING SIGNAL FOR THE, UH, FOR THE LEFT TURN. I GOT IT. THANK YOU. ADAM. DO YOU KNOW WHEN, UM, DECISIONS WILL BE MADE ABOUT THE SMART SCALE APPLICATIONS? UM, THEY'RE CURRENTLY, APPLICATIONS ARE CURRENTLY UNDER STATE REVIEW, UM, AND SCORING AND A RECOMMENDED FUNDING SCENARIO WITH THE PROJECT SCORES WILL BE RELEASED IN JANUARY. OKAY. THEY WERE DUE JULY ONE, I THINK AUGUST 1ST. AUGUST 1ST. OKAY. SO IN ADDITION TO THAT IMPROVEMENT FOR THE EASTBOUND RAMPS, UH, WE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST OPERATIONAL ISSUES WE SAW ON THE CORRIDOR WAS FOR THE NORTHBOUND 3 45 22 APPROACH TO THE INTER INTERCHANGE. UM, GIVEN THE, THE DESIRE TO, OR VEHICLES TO POSITION IN THE, UH, I 66 WESTBOUND LOOP RAMP, UH, WE SAW, UM, LANE PREFERENTIAL JUST FOR VEHICLES QUEUING INTO THAT, THAT WAS IMPACTING THE OPERATIONS OF THE SIGNAL. SO IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THAT, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ACTUALLY PULL THIS SHORT RIGHT TURN LANE, FEEDING THAT, THAT LOOP RAMP, PULL IT ALL THE WAY BACK, EXTEND IT BACK THROUGH THE SIGNAL AS INTERSECTION AND BACK THROUGH DOWN THIS WAY. [00:20:01] UH, BASICALLY THE, THE EXISTING RIGHT TURN LANE TO GET ON EASTBOUND 66 WOULD BECOME THAT THIRD APPROACH LANE THAT WOULD FEED DIRECTLY INTO THE LOOP RAMP. AND THEN WE WOULD REBUILD A NEW RIGHT TURN LANE ONTO THE EASTBOUND RAMP. KIND OF LIKE IN FREDERICKSBURG START WAY, WAY BEFORE NINE FIVE. YEAH, YOU GET THE, GET THE SIGNS OUT THERE, IT'S JUST LIKE NINE FIVE SOUTH, UH, THAT IMPROVES THE OPERATIONS. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT GOING ON TODAY, THERE WERE, UH, A HIGH NUMBER OF REAR END CRASHES HERE AS WELL THAT WE BELIEVE THIS RECOMMENDATION WOULD ADDRESS. UM, THIS ONE AGAIN WAS A HIGHER RATED FROM ALTERNATIVE 3.6 OUT OF FIVE, AND EVEN THIS IS GOING EVEN FURTHER. SO, UH, WITH THE CONSERVATIVE HELPING TO CREATE GAS OF EVEN, THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMENTS OF EVEN CONSIDERING A NEW RIGHT ON RED FROM THIS JUST TO THESE RATINGS ARE THE RATINGS THAT VO GIVES. CORRECT. THIS, THIS, THIS IS FROM THE 200. AND SO PARTICIPANTS THAT TOOK THE SURVEY, IS THAT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN THE APPLICATION? UH, IN, IN THE SMART SCALE APPLICATION? NO, IT'S JUST, WE, WE CAN ALWAYS DO A FINAL ROUND OF PUBLIC OUTREACH FOR, FOR ONLINE SURVEY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS JUST TO GET SOME ACTUAL, TO GET ACTUAL PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEING PRESENTED. IT'S NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THIS FORM. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NOW, NOW ON THE, ON THE WESTBOUND RAMP, UH, WE ARE KIND OF, THE RECOMMENDATION IS PRETTY MUCH THE, THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ON THE EASTBOUND RAMPS. UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THESE DUAL RIGHT TURN LANES COMING OFF THE INTERSTATE. AND, UH, IT WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY IN THE BEGINNING BECAUSE OF CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, AGAIN, VEHICLES POSITIONING THEMSELVES TO, TO SUCCESSFULLY MERGE DOWNSTREAM TO GET TO WHERE THEY WANT TO BE. WITH THESE HIGHER GENERATING COMMERCIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROADWAY, UH, THAT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING. UM, IN OUR OBSERVATIONS, UH, ALMOST MORE THAN 90% OF THE EXITING VEHICLES IN OUR TRAFFIC COUNTS UTILIZED THE OUTSIDE RIGHT TURN LANE. UM, AND AS A RESULT, THIS WAS ACTUALLY IN THE RAMP HERE WAS OUR HIGHEST CRASH FREQUENCY ALONG THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR OF RELATED TO JUST SUDDEN LANE CHANGES OR SUDDEN, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGING YOUR MIND ABOUT WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. SO AS A RESULT, WE'RE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING TO REDUCE IT DOWN TO A SINGLE RIGHT TURN LANE, UH, FREE FLOW ON THIS LOCATION. AND THIS ONE WAS SUPPORTED HERE BECAUSE WHEN THESE TWO NEWER DEVELOPMENTS CAME IN, IT WAS AT A TIME WHEN BA HAD ALREADY ESTABLISHED OUR ACCESS MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS AND THERE IS PROPER SPACING BETWEEN THIS RAMP INTERSECTION AND THE INTERSECTION WITH COUNTRY CLUB ROAD. SO WE FEEL THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE SPACE TO MAKE THESE, THIS MERGING MOVEMENT IF YOU WANNA GO TAKE A LEFT AT THE TARGET. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, WE NEED TO BE MONITORED IF TRAFFIC WERE TO GROW MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED IN THE STUDY, OR IF, IF THERE WAS A SCENARIO WHERE CROOKED RUN BOULEVARD DOES GET EXTENDED AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, OF THE WATERWAY RAVINE AREA. UM, BUT THE GOOD THING IS THIS COULD ALL BE HANDLED WITH PAYMENT MARKINGS SO IT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK IF THERE EVER IS A TIME WHERE THE DUAL RIGHT TURNS ARE, ARE IN FACT NEEDED. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE DUAL RIGHTS GOING GOING INTO, UM, COUNTRY CLUB ROAD INTO THE WALMART SHOPPING CENTER WERE NOT NECESSARY AS WELL. WE SAW SEVERAL REAR END CRASHES AND LANE CHANGE SIDESWIPE CRASHES RELATED TO THOSE DUAL RIGHTS ALSO. SO THERE'S RECOMMENDED TO JUST REDUCE THE PAVEMENT WIDTH ON THAT APPROACH TO THE INTERSECTION TO MAKE IT, UM, MORE SIMPLE FOR DRIVERS, MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TO REDUCE, UH, POTENTIAL CONFLICT POINTS. UM, SO THAT COMPLETES THE PACKAGE THAT WENT IN AS THE SMART SCALE APPLICATION. UH, THE NEXT STUDY INTERSECTION WAS, IS DEFINITELY, UH, THE MOST [00:25:01] CHALLENGING OF THE STUDY CORRIDOR. SO CROOKED RUN THREE 40 AND COUNTRY CLUB ROAD, UM, HAS THE HIGHEST, HIGHEST VOLUMES OF ANY INTERSECTION IN THE COUNTY. HIGHEST NUMBER OF OVERALL CRASHES, UM, AT THIS INTERSECTION. AND THEY'RE KIND OF, THEY'RE KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY'RE HAPPENING WITHIN THE INTERCEPT INTERSECTION AND THE TYPE OF CRASHES THAT ARE OCCURRING. UM, SO AS A, AS A HIGH VOLUME LARGER INTERSECTION, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KIND OF BUILT OUR WAY OUT OF FROM A TRADITIONAL INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT TYPE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES. UM, SO WE LOOKED AT, UH, SEVERAL INNOVATIVE INTERSECTIONS WE COULD CONSIDER. AND I WILL NOTE THAT GOING INTO THIS, UH, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T FIND ONE THAT WAS BY ANY MEANS, PERFECT. THERE ARE CHALLENGES WITH BOTH THE ALTERNATIVES WE PUT FORWARD, UM, BUT WE DID, THERE ARE POSITIVES FROM THIS, ESPECIALLY FROM THE DELAY IN REDUCING CONFLICT POINTS TO IMPROVE SAFETY STANDPOINT. SO WE WANTED TO PUT TWO RECOMMENDATIONS OUT FOR PUBLIC FEEDBACK. UM, AND THIS ONE I'LL LET YOU KNOW, ENDED UP BEING THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE JUST AS REPORTED IN THE STUDY. UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE DO INDICATE IN THE STUDY THAT THERE'S, UH, A LOT MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED BEFORE, UH, ANY TYPE OF FUNDING APPLICATION WOULD BE ADVANCED FOR THIS, FOR THIS INTERSECTION LOCATION. SO THE FIRST ONE IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS A A THROUGH CUT INTERSECTION. SO BASICALLY THE IDEA WITH INNOVATIVE INTERSECTIONS IS WE'RE TRYING TO RELOCATE CERTAIN TURNING MOVEMENTS. UM, SO WE CAN ELIMINATE PHASES FROM THE SIGNAL THAT ALLOWS US TO GIVE MORE GREEN TIME TO OTHER PHASES TO ENHANCE, UM, IMPROVED DELAY THROUGH THE INTERSECTION WHILE, WHILE REMOVING MOVEMENTS FROM THE INTERSECTION ALSO REDUCES CONFLICT POINTS WHERE ACCIDENTS CAN HAPPEN. SO THE THROUGH CUT, THE IDEA IS WE WOULD REMOVE THE ABILITY TO GO STRAIGHT, UH, FROM THE SIDE STREETS, SO YOU WOULD NO LONGER BE ABLE TO GO STRAIGHT FROM COUNTRY CLUB ROAD OVER TO CROOK ROAD BOULEVARD AND VICE VERSA. IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THAT MOVEMENT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A RIGHT OR A LEFT AND DO A DOWNSTREAM U-TURN AND THEN COME BACK AND TAKE THE LEFT INTO THAT LOCATION. I WILL NOTE THAT THIS ENDED UP BEING THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE FROM THE STUDY BECAUSE OF THE THREE ALTERNATIVES WE CONSIDERED THIS ONE RELOCATES, THE, THE, THE SMALLEST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FROM THE SIGNAL, THE, THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IS IMPACTED WITH THIS, WITH THIS IMPROVEMENT TYPE. UM, BUT YOU CAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND WE EXPECTED IT, IT IS A, IT IS A LOWER, IT'S THE, THIS ENDED UP BEING THE LOWEST RATING FROM THE OPTIONS WE PUT OUT THERE AT 2.1. NOW I'LL JUST WARN YOU FOR THE NEXT ONE TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND. IT'S NOTHING NEW. WE WENT OVER THIS. THAT'LL WORK. SO, SO THIS IS, UH, WHAT IS KNOWN AS A A BOW TIE INTERSECTION. UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT AT COUNTRY CLUB AND CAROLINE DRIVE, UH, WE THOUGHT THAT THEIR ROUNDABOUT COULD BE CONSIDERED AT, AT CROOKED RUN, UM, HERE, UM, THAT WAY YOU COULD UTILIZE THE ROUNDABOUTS TO ACHIEVE YOUR LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS AT YOUR PRIMARY INTERSECTION. SO WE ANALYZED A FULL BOW TIE INTERSECTION, WHICH IS WHERE YOU REMOVE EVERY LEFT TURN FROM THE PRIMARY INTERSECTION. SO BASICALLY YOU TAKE A RIGHT, GO ROUND THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEN MAKE A THROUGH MOVEMENT FOR EVERY APPROACH. AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK AT A PARTIAL WHERE WE WOULD KEEP A PAIR OF LEFT TURNS EITHER FROM THE SIDE STREET OR FROM THE MAIN LINE AND THEN JUST RELOCATE TWO OF THE LEFT TURNS. UM, THIS ONE GOT SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THE THROUGH CUT ALTERNATIVE, BUT NOT BY MUCH. UM, THE BENEFIT FROM A DELAY STANDPOINT IS, AND THEY'RE ROUGHLY THE SAME. UM, THE PARTIAL BOW TIE, THE FULL BOW TIE AND THE THROUGH CUT ALL REDUCED THE FUTURE, UM, FUTURE SCENARIO DELAY IN HALF. SO IT IMPROVED DELAY FOR THE AVERAGE TRAVELING VEHICLE THROUGHOUT THE PEAK HOUR TO CUT IT IN HALF, WHICH IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. AND THEN THE FINAL STUDY RECOMMENDATION, AND THIS ONE ENDED UP BEING A SMART SCALE PROJECT SUBMITTED BY WARREN COUNTY AS WELL, IS TO, UM, MODIFY THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUT AND, AND WE TESTED THE BOW TIE ALTERNATIVE WITH THIS MODIFICATION. UM, BUT BASICALLY, [00:30:01] UH, AND THIS IS NOT UNIQUE, UH, ACROSS THE STATE, UH, THERE'S THIS, WE'VE BEEN SEEING ISSUES WITH FULL TWO LANE ROUNDABOUTS JUST WITH SIDESWIPE CRASHES OCCURRING IN THE ROUNDABOUT. UM, FORTUNATELY THE CRASHES ARE OFTEN PROPERTY DAMAGE ONLY BECAUSE OF THE LOWER OPERATING SPEEDS, BUT THERE ARE A HIGHER TREND OF, OF SIDESWIPE CRASHES IN FULL TWO LANE ROUNDABOUTS. SO WITH THIS ONE, SINCE THE PRIMARY DESIRE MOVEMENT FOR THIS ROUNDABOUT IS TO COME COMING FROM 3 45 22 AND TO GO INTO THE WALMART CHOPPING CENTER, WE'RE PROPOSING A CHANNELIZATION TO MAKE THIS OUTSIDE LANE THE RIGHT TURN LANE ONLY. AND THEN THE INSIDE LANE WOULD BE THE CIRCULATING LANE AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. UM, ALSO BECAUSE COUNTRY CLUB ROAD DOES NOT NEED THE FOUR LANE CAPACITY THAT IT HAS TO THE EAST OF THE ROUNDABOUT, WE'RE PROPOSING TO DROP IT DOWN TO TWO THROUGH LANES AND THEN USE THAT OUTSIDE LANE FOR RIGHT TURN DESIGNATED RIGHT TURN LANES. UM, THAT WOULD REDUCE CONFLICT POINTS AS WELL TO LOWER CRASHES. UM, AND THEN THE, THE FINAL PART IS TO COMPLETE THE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK NETWORK OUT HERE WHERE THERE'S GAPS IN IT TODAY, UM, AND REPLACE THE CROSSWALKS WITH HIGH VISIBILITY CROSSWALKS TO THE, UM, SO ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN AND SAFETY. SO, UM, THIS IS, THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS OLD, THIS IS FROM WHEN I GAVE, UM, PRESENTATION BACK IN JULY TO WARREN COUNTY, BUT IT AUGUST 1ST. UM, THOSE WERE THE TWO APPLICATIONS FROM THE STUDY THAT WARREN COUNTY SUBMITTED WITH RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT. UH, THE STUDY TEAM HAS REVIEWED A DRAFT OF THE FINAL STUDY REPORT. UH, WE HAVE COMMENTS INTO OUR CONSULTANT A TCS, AND THEY SHOULD BE DELIVERING THE FINAL DRAFT REPORT ANY DAY NOW. THEY SAID IT, THEY WOULD GET IT TO US IN THE FIRST PART OF SEPTEMBER. UM, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTION YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE. LINWOOD, UM, I, I HAVEN'T HEARD YOU MENTION REDUCING THE SPEED LIMIT FROM THE NORFOLK BRIDGE THROUGH COUNTRY CLUB ROAD INTERSECTION. UH, SOME OF THESE CRASH CRASHES I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO EARLIER, ARE OCCURRING DUE TO SPEEDING THROUGH THE AREA. IT'S A 45 MILE AN HOUR AREA. WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVING GIVEN TO REDUCING THE SPEED THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR STRETCH, YOUR BYWAY? UM, SO ANY, ANY COMMENTS ON SPEEDING WERE RELATED TO, TO CITIZEN PUBLIC INPUT? UM, OUR DATA COLLECTION, UH, OUR COUNT, OUR COUNT DATA COLLECTION DID INCLUDES SPEED DATA. UM, SPEED SPEEDING IS A, IS A TRICKY SUBJECT WHEN IT COMES TO DDO BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA, DDOS NEVER GONNA ARTIFICIALLY LOWER A SPEED LIMIT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, UNLESS YOU'RE OUT THERE ENFORCING IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE. DRIVER'S BEHA DRIVER BEHAVIOR, WE LOOK AT THE 85TH PERCENTILE TRAVEL SPEED OF THE CORRIDOR IN ORDER TO SET, SET THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT AND THE SPEED DATA WE COLLECTED CONFIRMED THAT THAT, THAT THE 85TH PERCENTILE IS WHAT'S BEING OPERATED ON THE FACILITY TODAY. SO THAT'S HOW BI HAS ALWAYS LOOKED AT SPEED. UM, CONSIDERATION OF LOWER SPEED LIMITS. WE REALLY RELY ON WHAT ARE, WHAT IS THE, THE, THE TRAVELING SPEED THAT PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THE CORRIDOR. BECAUSE IF YOU LOWER BELOW THAT, LIKE I SAID, YOU HAVE TO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO RELY ON FULL-TIME ENFORCEMENT IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE EFFECTIVE. UM, ADAM, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR, I DON'T RECALL IN THE STUDY, UM, SAYING A LOT ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN ASPECT OF IT, AND I SEE YOU, YOU HAVE HERE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING CONFLICT GAPS IN THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS, BUT I DON'T REALLY THINK OF THAT AREA AS A HEAVY PEDESTRIAN AREA, YOU KNOW, BUT PEOPLE TO, THERE'S NOT A HOUSING NETWORK REALLY CLOSE. THERE IS A HOTELS MM-HMM, , BUT THERE'S NOT, UM, THERE'S NOT LIKE A HOUSING AND I THINK WHEN PEOPLE GET THERE, THEY'RE GONNA BE GETTING THERE BY PRIVATE VEHICLE OR BY BUS. AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE THERE, IT'S LIKELY THAT THERE WILL BE ONE OR TWO MAYBE SITES. AND THIS IS JUST ANECDOTALLY, BUT THINKING ABOUT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE OUT THERE, NOBODY'S GONNA GO TO LIKE THREE OR FOUR RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WALK. IT'S NOT LIKE THE MAIN STREET WHERE YOU'VE GOT A, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF SHOPS. UM, IT'S LIKE RESTAURANTS AND THERE'S A FEW SHOPPING, BUT NOT REALLY A LOT OF SHOPPING. SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE NECESSARILY WALKING. BUT DID YOU STUDY THAT TO SEE LIKE WHAT THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IS LIKE? UH, WE, OUR COUNT, OUR TRAFFIC DATA DID INCLUDE PEDESTRIAN COUNTS ON OUR STUDY INTERSECTIONS AND IT WAS, IT WAS LOW. THIS, THIS ONE WAS BY FAR HAD [00:35:01] THE MOST ACTIVITY. THAT'S WHY WE, AND, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF CORRIDOR, WE DID NOT, WE SPECIFICALLY DID NOT FOCUS ON PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS LOCATION, LIKE YOU SAID, BECAUSE OF THE HOTEL HERE AND PER WARREN COUNTY, I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER HOTEL ON CONSIDERATION ON CAROLINE DRIVE. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S WHERE THE COUNTY WAS REALLY WANTED TO SEE US TO COMPLETE THE NETWORK HERE. UM, BUT ON THE 3 45 22 CORRIDOR ITSELF, WE DID ACKNOWLEDGE WITH WARREN COUNTY AS THEY ARE WORKING ON THEIR COMP PLAN UPDATE, THEY'RE WORKING ON KIND OF TAKING A, A NEW LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE PLANNED IN TERMS OF MULTIMODAL BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATIONS ALONG 3 45, 22. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GETTING READY, THEY WANT TO PROBABLY SHIFT TOWARDS MORE OF A SHARED USE PATH ALONG, UM, ONE SIDE OF THE, OF THE ROADWAY. SO WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT MAKING SURE THAT THESE IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, COULD ACCOMMODATE A SHARED, A FUTURE SHARED USE PATH ALONG THE CORRIDOR. IT'S THE COUNTY. SO MAYBE WE COULD ADD IT TO THE LIAISON MEETING IN OUR ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS TO ASK THEM WHAT AS WHATEVER THE CONCERNS OR PLANS ARE WITH THE ACCESSIBILITY THERE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ADAM? OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK, FOR YOUR EFFORTS TO SHARE ALL THIS WITH US. YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME. AGAIN, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I APPRECIATE IT. YEP, THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. YOU TOO. SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS THREE A, WHICH IS THE BID FOR CHEMICALS WITH THE WATER AND WASTEWATER TREAT COMPLIANCE AND THE BID. ARE YOU BOTH OF THE NEXT TWO ITEMS? MM-HMM. . OKAY. I AM BOTH MY FAVORITE. IT SAYS BID ON GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, GOOD. UH, SO ITEM THREE A IS FOR THE BID FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT CHEMICALS. UM, WE ISSUED A SOLICITATION FOR WATER FOR THE CHEMICALS, UM, THROUGH EVA PUBLIC PROCUREMENT USING, UM, THE VIRGINIA PUBLIC PROCUREMENT ACT. THE METHOD OF WAS COMPETITIVE SEAL BID BIDDING. SO ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 31ST, WE HELD AN OPEN PUBLIC BID OPENING, UM, AND RECEIVED NINE BIDS. SO WE'RE REQUESTING THAT COUNSEL APPROVE THE FOLLOWING WATER AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT CHEMICALS AT FROM FIXED PRICING. UM, DID YOU WANT ME TO READ THROUGH THOSE? NO, I HAVE NEED TWO, BUT THE ACTUAL ESTIMATED ANNUAL TOTAL WOULD COME OUT TO LIKE $475,000 TOTAL. BECAUSE I KNOW DOWN HERE WE HAVE BUDGETED LIKE 830,000, BUT JUST BASED OFF OF PREVIOUS USAGE IT WOULD COME OUT TO ABOUT 475,000. AND ACTUALLY THESE PRICES ARE, IT'S ABOUT 4,000 LOWER THAN WHAT WE SPENT LAST YEAR. HMM. ABOUT, THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY THING IN THIS WORLD THAT'S GOING DOWN THE BUILDING GOT BETTER. YEAH. OH MY GOOD. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, EVERYBODY IS OKAY. GIVE THUMBS UP. EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THIS ONE? THE CONSENT AGENDA, RIGHT? NO QUESTIONS. NOBODY HAS ANY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NEXT ITEM. ALL ITEM 3D IS FOR THE BIDS FOR VARIOUS GRADES OF STONE. UM, SO WE ISSUED A SOLICITATION FOR THE STONE AND HOW THE PUBLIC BID OPENING ON AUGUST 20TH RECEIVING TWO BIDS. UM, THE PROCUREMENT METHOD WAS COMPETITIVE SEAL BIDDING FOR BPPA GUIDELINES USING EVA, THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA'S ONLINE PROCUREMENT WEBSITE. AND SO WE ARE REQUESTING THAT, UH, COUNSEL APPROVE THE BID FOR THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE, RESPONSIBLE BID RESPONSIVE AND RESPONSIBLE BID CARUS AMERICAS AND CARUS LINEMAN STONES FACILITY LOCATED IN CHARLESBURG. UH, THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL TOTAL AMOUNT IS 65,000 $150 AND FUNDING IS BUDGETED. UM, AND THE PUBLIC WORKS HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE, WATER MAINTENANCE AND SEWER MAINTENANCE. MICHELLE, THIS PART WORKS IS A PARENT LOAD BIDDER. THAT'S NOT THEM THOUGH. IT'S THIS ONE, RIGHT? THIS, UNLESS I'M READING IT WRONG, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. THAT COULD BE A TYPO. TYPO, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. NO, NO. I DON'T EVEN THINK I LOOKED AT THE BOTTOM. OH YEAH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, 'CAUSE WE COPIED LAST YEAR. YEAH. SO THIS GROUP IS IS SHE IN LAST YEAR? THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. SEE, WANNA CHANGE THAT? OH YEAH. BECAUSE I THINK THEIRS WAS ABOUT THE SAME. IT WAS THE SAME PEOPLE. OKAY. OKAY. WELL IT'S KIND OF GOOD THAT IT'S STRASBURG. I MEAN, I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. LOCAL, BUT NOT LOCAL. [00:40:01] UH, WHEN YOU SAY THE, THE COMPANY IN STRASSBURG, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE GONNA HAUL THE, UH, GRAVEL FROM STRASSBURG AND NOT OUT HERE? SO WE HAVE TO TRAVEL TO STRASBURG. YOU GET THESE PRODUCTS? YES. INSTEAD OF WE KEEP SUB PILE UNTIL THE CLERKS RIGHT. AS WELL. RIGHT. SO WE DID. THAT'S UM, PART OF THE, UM, BID IS ADDING IN THE COST FOR THE HAUL RATE JUST TO, TO UM, DETERMINE WHICH THE OVERALL COST, WHAT IT WOULD, WOULD COST. UM, SO IN THIS CASE WE USED, UM, FEMA'S, UM, SCHEDULE OF EQUIPMENT RATES, WHICH IS WHERE WE GOT THE HOURLY HAUL RATE FROM FOR, UH, LIKE 18 TONS IS ABOUT WHAT WE NORMALLY HAUL. SO EVEN SO EVEN FIGURING IN THAT ALL OF THAT IN CARUS WAS STILL QUITE A BIT CHEAPER. ALMOST HALF. WOW. GEEZ. I LIKE THE WAY THIS, THIS MEANS DON'T GET YOU SOMETHING. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? OKAY. UM, EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH IT BEING ONLY CONSENT AGENDA, RIGHT? YES. CONSENT AGENDA. EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT? ALRIGHT. GOOD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD. YOU TOO. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANKS FOR COUNCILMAN COURT. SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM THREE C. UM, AND THE ITEM IS THE PROPOSED VAPE ORDINANCE. UM, AND SO JUST A LITTLE LEAD UP TO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY, WELL ACTUALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE ANYBODY SEE ON THIS COUNCIL WAS HERE 'CAUSE I WAS ON THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME. AND SO IT'S, WE HAVE CERTAINLY TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE SATURATION RATE OF, UM, OF VAPE SHOPS IN OUR TOWN AND CERTAINLY OUR, OUR CITIZENS ARE TALKING ABOUT IT AS WELL. UM, SO, UH, MR. SONNET, UM, WAS, UH, SAW A, UH, UH, SOMETHING THAT WENT ON IN THE TOWN OF QUANTICO AND SHARED. SO, AND COUNCIL HAS, UM, TAKEN A LOOK AT IT. IT'S, IT'S IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET. BUT BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THAT, DOES ANYBODY WANNA SHARE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT, UM, I MEAN, COUNCIL'S TALKED ABOUT THIS AS I SAID, HONESTLY PROBABLY, I WANNA SAY IT MIGHT HAVE STARTED AT THE END OF 2020, IF NOT, IT WAS DEFINITELY THE BEGINNING OF 2021. UM, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT EVERY YEAR SINCE, UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN A JOINT PLANNING TOWN COUNCIL MEETING. CORRECT. THAT WAS THIS YEAR, WASN'T IT? I BELIEVE. UM, AND SO, UM, YEAH, THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION. SO, UM, DOES ANYBODY WANNA TALK ABOUT LIKE, UM, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT A, UH, ORDINANCE, DOES ANYBODY WANNA TALK ABOUT LIKE WHY THEY, THEY MIGHT WANNA ENTERTAIN IT OR NOT WANNA ENTERTAIN IT? I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT JUST SO THAT IT'S IN THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING, ANYBODY WANNA TALK ABOUT IT? I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE MY FIRST TERM ON COUNCIL. UM, UNFORTUNATELY I THINK WE HAVE 17 PLUS VAPE SHOPS IN THE TOWN LIMITS OF THE TOWN OF PARK ROYAL, NOT INCLUDING THE ONE IN THE COUNTY. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SATURATED AS AN UNDERSTATEMENT. I THINK WE HAVE SEVEN ON SOUTH STREET ALONE. AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE THE TOWN COUNCIL, UP UNTIL THIS POINT, HANDS HAVE BEEN TIED IF SOMEBODY, THAT COUNCIL DOESN'T VOTE TO APPROVE VAPE SHOPS. AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG THING THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED FOR THE PUBLIC THAT'S WATCHING OR WILL READ THE MINUTES OR THE ARTICLES. THEY DON'T, EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE DOESN'T COME BEFORE US. IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCES, THEY APPLY FOR THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE AND THEIR PERMITS, THEY CAN OPEN A STOREFRONT WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF COUNCIL. IT'S NOT A REZONING FOR THESE. UM, AND AS WE KNOW, SEVERAL OF THEM IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL ARE OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER. UM, AND FOR WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DECIPHER SINCE BEFORE MY TIME ON COUNCIL, THEY'RE ALL IN THE RUNNINGS FOR THE LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THE LOTTERY, WHICH THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO REGULATE BY THAT LOTTERY TO BE ABLE TO SELL THIS PRODUCT. SO WHAT WE'VE FEARED FOR YEARS IS THAT THEY'RE BUYING UP THESE COMMERCIAL SPACES OR LEASING THEM, THEY'RE MAKING MAJOR, UM, CHANGES TO THEM. AND THEN IF THEY'RE NOT SELECTED FOR THE LOTTERY, THEY'RE LIKELY GONNA BECOME ANOTHER VACANT EMPTY COMMERCIAL BUILDING [00:45:01] IN THE TOWN OF FAIR ROYAL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CONCERN. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT AND I THINK WE'VE TALKED IT TO DEATH, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE NEXT STEP IN DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. YEAH, ONE OF THE TOP TWO THINGS I GET ASKED, LIKE, WELL, WHY AREN'T YOU GUYS APPRO THIS? WHY ARE YOU GUYS APPROVING THIS? WHY ARE YOU GUYS APPRO THIS? YOU YOU, WE DON'T SEE IT UNTIL AFTER, AFTER THE FACT. SO I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THE ONE AT THE OLD BANK ON THE CORNER. I TOO, YEAH. BUT APPARENTLY HE OWNS TWO OTHER ONES AND ONE OF THOSE CLOSED THE OLD PIZZA HUT. SO HOPEFULLY WE GOT RID OF TWO BY ADDING ONE. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. WELL, IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO HAVE SOME STRICT CRITERIA SO THAT IF THEY HAPPEN TO CLOSE, THEN UH, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, CHANGE THE PARADIGM. AND, UH, SO I'VE BEEN A OUTSPOKEN ADVOCATE TO REGULATING VAPE SHOPS AND I'M STILL ADVOCATE. SO WHEN COUNCILMAN MORRIS SAID 17, I CAN REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I ASKED ABOUT IT, THERE WERE THREE. AND I REMEMBER, UM, I REMEMBER OTHERS MAKING ME FEEL AS THOUGH THAT I SHOULDN'T WORRY, THERE'S THREE . AND, AND I THINK SO, AND, AND I WILL, I JUST WANNA SAY ABOUT THIS, ANY KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS IS THAT I KNOW THERE, THERE'S LOTS OF THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FREE MARKET AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA PICK WINNERS AND LOSERS ABOUT BUSINESSES AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL IS THINKING ALONG THOSE LINES. UM, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THAT, UM, THIS IS THE, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE IN COMMERCIAL AREAS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT PART OF THIS ORDINANCE, BUT I EVEN, OR THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEFORE US FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT. BUT I ALMOST WISH THAT IT WAS MORE ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN A STRIP MALL OR IN A, IN A SHOPPING CENTER, NOT NECESSARILY OTHER PLACES LIKE A, A SPECIFIC THING. UM, AND YOU KNOW, AS, AS I'VE SHARED WITH OTHER PEOPLE THAT, UM, EACH ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE ANY BUSINESS. ANY BUSINESS. AND SO IT COULD BE THAT SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS MAY BE A DIFFERENT RETAILER WOULD'VE CHOSEN THAT LOCATION. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, A A A CLOSED RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, THAT BECAME A VAPE SHOP. YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT A DIFFERENT RESTAURANT MAYBE WOULD'VE ENTERTAINED THAT. UM, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY A REQUEST FROM OUR CITIZENS OR MORE RETAIL OPPORTUNITIES, RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, CLOTHING STORES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO ANYBODY ELSE WANNA ADD TO THIS BEFORE WE KIND OF PICK OR AT LEAST LOOK AT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US? UM, AND I THINK THIS IS A DISCUSSION TONIGHT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THE END ALL BE ALL, BUT, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND MAYBE THERE'S THINGS THAT PEOPLE, UH, MR. SONNET IS THE BEST WAY YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT THIS IS TO LOOK AT WHAT QUANTICO HAD AND MAYBE TALK ABOUT THE MERITS, THE PROS, THE CONS, IF SOMEBODY SEES OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT MAYBE TO DISCUSS SOME OF THOSE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS. OKAY. OBVIOUSLY THIS NEEDS TO BE REWORKED TO RIGHT? FIT TOWN CODE. AND THE OTHER THING IS, UM, WOULD COUNCIL BE INTERESTED IN THIS, PUSHING THIS FORWARD AS A STANDALONE OR ROLL IT INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE COMING? I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE NOTE BEFORE FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT THE VAPE SHOPS THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THIS WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY THESE ORDINANCES. THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN. SO THIS ISN'T GOING TO MAKE ANY OF THE CURRENT ONES GO AWAY, WHICH IS WHAT I WISH I COULD HAVE. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC BY IMPLEMENTING THIS, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE 17 THAT ARE ALREADY HERE. IS THERE A WAY AROUND THAT? LEGALLY? OKAY. IT'S A VESTED RIGHTS ISSUE. YEAH. OKAY. SO I THINK I ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WANNA AVOID AN, AN ABSOLUTE RESPONSE, BUT THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE A VESTED RIGHTS ARGUMENT. MR. I I BELIEVE MR. YOU SAID WHETHER OR NOT COUNSELS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS BEING A STANDALONE OR WHETHER WE ROLL IT INTO, YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION IS WHEN WILL, DO WE HAVE AN ETA OF WHEN WE'RE GONNA BE READY FOR THAT? UM, I MEAN IT'S IS IT SOMETHING THAT GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT MONTH AND THE NEXT TWO MONTHS? MR. I WOULD, I WOULD GUESS, UM, THIS IS A BIG TALL ORDER. [00:50:01] I WOULD SAY AT LEAST PROBABLY WE'RE LOOKING SIX TO NINE MONTHS, WOULDN'T YOU THINK, LAUREN? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE ZONING ORDINANCE OR JUST THIS CHAPTER? THE ENTIRE ZONING ORDINANCE TO BE ALL ROLLED INTO ONE. I WOULD SAY PROBABLY SIX TO NINE MONTHS IS A HEALTHY GUESS. SO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE JUST WAS PUT OUT IN AUGUST TO PLANNING COMMISSION. WE JUST HAD FULL PLANNING COMMISSION THIS PAST WEEK. SO I'VE GOT WHAT, TWO, THREE NEW MEMBERS THAT HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED AT THE DRAFT YET. IT WASN'T A JUDGMENT ON THE LENGTH OF TIME FOR THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCES I WAS ASKING BECAUSE, UM, WHEN MR. SONNET ASKED, DO WE WANT THIS TO BE A STANDALONE OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO, AND MY THOUGHT ON THAT IS THAT, UM, THAT IF COUNSEL WANTS TO, UH, TAKE ACTION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, UM, AND, AND FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, SO THAT THREE MORE DON'T POP UP BEFORE WE GET A CHANCE TO GET A ZONING ORDINANCE IN PLACE. I DON'T, I DON'T, MY APPETITE WOULD BE TO DO IT AS A STANDALONE, AS GEORGE HAS USED THE REFERENCE BEFORE TO ADD TEETH TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE EXISTING. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE. WHICH, AND I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT EVEN MAYBE ADDING A PROVISION THERE ABOUT BEING IN SPECIFIC LOCATIONS. YEAH. IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S THE WAY I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY BEFORE YOU CAN DO IT'S LOCATION TIME. AND THERE'S ONE OTHER THING THROUGH THE STATE'S LOCATION TIME, THERE'S ANOTHER THING, I CAN'T THINK WHAT IT WAS, BUT IT WAS LIKE THINGS THAT YOU COULD LIKE RESTRICT, LIKE WHERE IT CAN BE WHAT HOURS, ANY MAYBE SIGNAGE, WHAT'S YEAH. OR I'M THINKING SOLD. WE'VE DONE PRIME. YEAH. THIS ADDRESS SIGNAGE TOO. WE'VE IMPLEMENTED SIGNAGE HERE ALREADY. MANY MINORS WE'RE AND THAT'S IN THERE TOO. I WAS JUST THINKING, I THINK IT'S VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO. UM, AND SO I THINK LOCATION IS ONE OF THEM, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . WELL THE, THE GENERAL RULE HERE IS, UM, THE REGULATION HAS TO HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS, RIGHT? GROUNDED IN HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE. MM-HMM. . SO I, I SO ECONOMIC ECONOMY ISN'T A RATIONAL BASIS, I'M GUESSING. IT'S OKAY. I IT, IT'S OKAY IF IT'S NOT DEPENDS. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT. LIKE I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY NO. OKAY. SO I, UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE PARAMETERS OF THIS. I WOULD RECOMMEND IF GEORGE CAN DRAW UP ONE THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AND REALLY ANY, ALL OF THE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE THOUSAND FEET AND THE UM, THE NOTES ON THE MONITORS, ALL THOSE THINGS SEEMED FINE TO ME. UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT GEORGE START ON A COPY FOR US TO TAKE FORWARD AND MOVE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FAST. I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR US TO MOVE ON THIS. I THINK THAT WE NEED, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT ENOUGH. EVERYBODY'S PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, ON THE SAME PAGE AROUND THE TOPIC. UM, AND, UH, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO WAIT. IT GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING I STAND FOR IN GOVERNING. HOWEVER, I MEAN, THEY HAVE THEIR RIGHT AND THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE MONEY BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE BEATING DOWN OUR DOOR TO OPEN RESTAURANTS. PIZZA HUT SAT, SAT VACANT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, UH, AS DID A COUPLE OF THE OTHER RESTAURANTS THEY TOOK UP. HOWEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IT'S JUST LIKE, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. UM, AND AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I WOULD BE OFFENDED. I THINK I'VE DISCUSSED THIS, IT'S IN THE COUNTY, BUT THOSE GORGEOUS BUILDINGS OUT BETWEEN CHIPOTLE AND FIVE GUYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, A VAPE SHOP IN BETWEEN THEM. SO I THINK THE LOCATION WILL DETER FUTURE BUSINESSES FROM BEING INTERESTED. NOT THE ONES WHO ALREADY WEREN'T. UM, BUT YEAH, IT GOES AGAINST MY BELIEFS, HOWEVER, I AM IN FAVOR OF IT AND HAVE CONTINUED TO BE YOUR BELIEFS FOR FREE MARKET. WELL THAT TOO, BUT I DON'T, THERE, I I'M TYPICALLY NOT ONE FOR ADDING REGULATIONS. MM-HMM. . AND FOR THE GOVERNMENT BEING IN, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS OF, UM, RESTRICTING BUSINESS. I DO WANNA JUST SAY ONE THING, AND THIS IS MORE FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY IN HERE KNOWS THIS ALREADY, BUT I THINK THERE'S A BELIEF THAT IT'S A FRONT ROYAL THING. NO, AND, AND I I JUST WANNA SAY IT'S NOT, IT'S, I MEAN, I WAS GONNA SAY WINCHESTER HAS A TIME. I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE WAS THREE ON THE SAME STREET IN STEVEN CITY. I KNOW WHEN I WAS IN ROANOKE THERE, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY, UM, AND I KNOW IT PROBABLY FEELS LIKE THAT TO, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS IN FRONT ROYAL, BUT WE ARE NOT [00:55:01] THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE EXPERIENCING THIS. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THE CASE OR THERE WOULDN'T BE ALL THESE OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE FINDING, YOU KNOW, OR CRAFTING ORDINANCES. UM, SO WHILE IT MAY FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST US, IT REALLY ISN'T. UM, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE STATE'S GONNA LOOK AT THIS, BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY. SO MR. SONNET, IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE WANT YOU TO CRAFT SOMETHING. IS THERE ANY PARTS OF THIS THAT ANYBODY THOUGHT THEY, THAT THEY WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH? OR IT NEEDED TO BE DIFFERENT? LIKE, LIKE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET, UH, FROM A SCHOOL OR A FAMILY HOME DAYCARE USE CENTER, COMMUNITY CENTER WAS A THOUSAND FEET. ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? DID YOU WANT IT TO BE LESS? DID YOU I THINK THAT'S THE MINIMUM. ISN'T THAT A STATE THING? I HAVE NO, I I I THOUGHT WE, I DIDN'T READ THAT ANYWHERE BEFORE. THERE'S A STATE NUMBER. THAT'S THE MINIMUM. THERE'S, I THINK YOU HAVE IF IT'S, I THINK IT VARIES. AND IS THERE, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT SAYS ABOUT LOCATION . IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT LIKE SO THAT IT IS, I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING A VAPE SHOP IN THE RURAL PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER IN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE SHOPPING, I THINK THAT IS COMPLETE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S REASONABLE. THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT TO HAVE ONE ON EVERY CORNER, I THINK WE COULD PUT THAT'S NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREA, NOT RESIDENTIAL OR HISTORIC. AND THIS DRAFT HAS INDICATES THE ZONING DISTRICT. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE LIMITED BY ZONING DISTRICT, BUT IT CAN'T BE LIMITED BY A SPECIFIC LIKE SHOPPING AREA, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. BUT I THINK HISTORIC AND RESIDENTIAL, DEPENDING ON THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S SOME PRETTY WONKY ZONING AREAS STILL. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S A HISTORIC DISTRICT DOWN BEHIND SEVEN 11 IN BETWEEN THE DOUBLE BRIDGES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH IS ALSO RESIDENTIAL. SO. RIGHT. OUR TOWN ZONING IS STILL NOT, OBVIOUSLY HASN'T BEEN REWRITTEN. SO I THINK THAT WOULD HELP COVER A LOT OF GROUND. YEAH. I THINK, I THINK THE INTENT IS TO, TO CONTROL HOW THEY ARE RELATED TO LIKE HEALTH. MM-HMM. FACILITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOUNG KIDS HANG OUT. I MEAN LIKE, I'M NOT GONNA MENTION ANY PARTICULAR, UM, SHOPS, BUT, UH, IT BOTHERS ME WHEN I SEE YOUNG KID KIDS HANGING OUT IN THE PARKING LOT ON THEIR FACILITY THAT BOTHERS. SO I DON'T KNOW OF ANY IN THE TOWN THAT ALLOW THEM TO ENTER THOUGH. I MEAN, THEY ALL ORDERED UP TO BUY TOBACCO TO ENTER. YEAH. IT'S JUST INTERESTING WHY THEY, WHY ARE THEY HANGING OUT THERE? SO, BUT ANYWAY, HOW WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMBAT AND BE IN THE PARKING LOT. THE ONLY, THE ONLY WEIRD, UM, ONE I SAW SOMEWHERE, I'M NOT, I CAN'T PUT MY HANDS ON IT RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE WAS SOMEWHERE IN THERE WHERE THERE WAS A REGULATION AROUND THAT YOU CAN'T, UM, USE OR, OR, UM, VAPE WHILE YOU'RE ON THE PREMISES. MM-HMM. . UM, THAT I WOULD QUESTION ONLY BECAUSE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON A BUSINESS YOU COULD GO OUTSIDE AND SMOKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE IN A HOTEL YOU COULD GO OUTSIDE AND SMOKE. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, THAT WE WOULD, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE, UM, ENFORCEABLE, UM, OR REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T, UH, VAPE ON THEIR PREMISES. YOU KNOW, THEY'D BE RIGHT THERE IN THE PARKING LOT. WELL, I'M GONNA SAY WHERE I WORK, YOU CAN'T SMOKE ON OUR PROPERTIES. RIGHT. AND YOU CAN'T AT THE HOSPITAL EITHER, RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, THERE ARE PLACES THAT EVEN IF YOU'RE THE EMPLOYEE IN THE PORT LOT. YEAH. UM, GEORGE, I THINK SOMEBODY ASKED THIS BEFORE, I'M GONNA ASK IT AGAIN. THIS CANNOT BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT? THIS COULD NOT VAPE, VAPE SHOPS COULD NOT BE, UH, BE, BE REQUIRED TO BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST A A WHERE THEY CAN APPLY. RIGHT. IS IT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IS IT ABOUT BUYRIGHT? RIGHT NOW IT'S BUYRIGHT CONSIDERED UNDER RETAIL, RIGHT? WE DISCUSSED IT WITH LAUREN AT ONE POINT. YEAH. SOMEBODY ADDED LIKE A DELI OR A BAKERY IN WITH IT. SO THEN IT WASN'T JUST A VAPE SHOP. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, IT'S MULTI-USE AND THAT'S THE LOOPHOLE TO THAT. SO WE MADE SURE TO LIKE EXCLUDE THAT OR DEFINE THAT SEPARATELY. YEAH. I, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER AS TO WHETHER [01:00:01] THERE COULD BE A SPECIAL USE PERMISSION. THAT WOULD BE THE PREFERENCE. I CAN CERTAINLY GET BACK TO COUNSEL. YEAH. I ONLY ASK BECAUSE I, AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC'S PERCEPTION IS THAT WE APPROVE EACH THING THAT HAPPENS, EACH THEY CHOP THAT'S COME TO TOWN. AND, AND WE DON'T, THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN WOULD BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND I, I THOUGHT WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN. BUT MAYBE, MAYBE. I FEEL LIKE IF IT COULD, SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD'VE ALREADY DONE IT IN VIRGINIA. DON'T CHEW OFF THINGS THAT SO WELL IF THI IF THIS IS, IF THIS IS ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED BY THE, BY BY THE TOWN OF, UH, QUANTICO, UH, IT'S VERY, UH, IT HAS A LOT OF TEETH. I MEAN, I MEAN THIS IS A, A PRETTY STRICT, UH, CRITERIA THAT, THAT IS ESTABLISHED TIED INTO THEIR ORDINANCES. UH, SO QUESTION IS, IS IT WORKING THERE? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T, WELL THIS SAYS IT WAS ADOPTED FEBRUARY 13TH, 2020. I'M JUST, ANYBODY BEEN TO QUANTICO LATELY? LOOKED AROUND, WOULD STAFF MIND CONTACTING QUANTICO AND ASKING THEM WHAT KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, HAS, WHAT KINDS OF EFFECTS THIS HAS HAD OR NOT HAD? OR I CAN REACH OUT. YEAH. YOU MIND? WELL KEEP IN MIND THE QUANTICO WHAT SETTING OF IT IS TOO. YOU KNOW, IT'S, I GREW UP AROUND THERE. YEAH. I'LL, I'LL GET SOME FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY'RE WELL I THINK WE DON'T WAIT THOUGH. I MEAN I THINK THAT THESE, EVEN IF FOR WHATEVER REASON MAYBE IT'S NOT WORKING SO WELL THERE, I MEAN I I I THINK IT COULD BE WORTH A TRY FOR US TO WORK HERE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. PEOPLE ARE CALLING FOR IT. I AGREE. I'M JUST INTERESTED IF IT COULD BE AN SUP FIRST AND FOREMOST, THAT'S THE ROUTE I WOULD WANT TO GO INSTEAD OF ADDING THE ORDINANCE. IT'S AN SUP. WE HAVE FINAL SAVER. EVERY SINGLE ONE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I CAN ARGUE BOTH SIDES OF THIS THAT I HAVE WITH MYSELF AND OTHERS, BUT I THINK IT'S A 26% VJ'S NOT HERE TAX THAT THEY PAY TO THE LOCALITY ON TOBACCO. SO WE WERE ALSO MAKING MONEY OFF OF THESE SALES. UM, BUT ANYWAY, LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE 17 THAT ARE ALREADY OPENED ANYWAY. BUT I WOULD BE THE MOST INTERESTED IN THE SUP VERSION. I'D EVEN WONDER HOW MUCH SALES THERE ARE. 'CAUSE IF YOU, THERE ARE CERTAIN LOCATIONS YOU GO BY AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY CARS IN THE PARKING LOT. AND THEN, I MEAN, IT IS AWESOME SOME LOCATIONS, HOUR OR SO THAN OTHERS. BUT REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME AND TALKED TO COUNCIL? YEAH. UM, HERE LOCALLY. UM, WHO, YOU KNOW, DEFENSE CLOSED I BELIEVE. I THINK I THOUGHT HE, TWO OF THEM CLOSED IN THAT OFFICE. WELL HE CAME AND HIS PARENTS CAME AND SPOKE BEFORE COUNCIL, BEFORE MOST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE TODAY WERE HERE ABOUT HOW THE GOOD HE'S DONE IN THE COMMUNITY, HIS PARENTS WERE LIFETIME SMOKERS AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT SMOKING BASED ON HIS PRODUCT. HE RAN MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL AWARENESS TYPE SHOP TO HELP PEOPLE GET OFF OF NICOTINE ENTIRELY. SO THEY'RE NOT ALL DOING BAD WORK. OH, NO. SO MR. SONA, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH? DO YOU GUYS HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION? AND NOW WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, WE WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA NEED TO LOOK AT IT BEFORE WE GO TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. AND THE SOONEST THAT WOULD BE WOULD BE IN OCTOBER AND END OF OCTOBER BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE. UM, WE ONLY ONE WORK SESSION IN OCTOBER. SO EVEN IF YOU BROUGHT BACK A DRAFT IN OCTOBER, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE END OF OCTOBER. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ASSUMING EVERYTHING IS PERFECT SCENARIO. SO, BUT UM, IS THAT HOW EVERYBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL SEES THE TIMELINE? MR. WELTZ SAYS THAT SOUND LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT ANY KIND OF TIME. BEST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE THAT AND WORST CASE COULD BE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I WON'T TAKE ME LONG TO REACH OUT TO QUANTICO. IT'S REALLY GEORGE'S WHAT ON GEORGE'S POINT TO DO. MAYBE YOU COULD LET COUNSEL THAT THROUGH AN EMAIL, FIND OUT THAT MIGHT BE ALRIGHT. I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SUP PART OF IT. UM, I'M SURE WHY IS IT NOT BY RIGHT. IN A CERTAIN DISTRICT WITH THESE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. YEAH. AGAIN, THE RATIONAL BASIS FOR TAKING IT OUT AS A BY RIGHT USE IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. SOME OF OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS HAVE STUFF FOR THE YOUTH THOUGH, SO WHILE IT MIGHT NOT BE CONSIDERED A SCHOOL, IT WOULD STILL BE IN A THOUSAND FEET. LIKE WE'RE A PRETTY SMALL TOWN. [01:05:01] SO I THINK THE PROXIMITY WOULD BE REASON ENOUGH TO ARGUE THAT WHEN IT'S IN A BUY RIGHT AREA, IT STILL COULD BE IN THE SAME PLAZA AS SOMETHING THAT'S SOLELY DEDICATED TO THE YOUTH OR CHURCHES. WE HAVE CHURCHES IN OUR SHOPPING CENTERS IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, AND SOME OF THOSE CHURCHES OPERATE FULL OR CHILDCARE TYPE PROGRAMS. WELL, ARMY STARTED BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AND SO RIGHT. THEY'RE RIGHT THERE ON SOUTH STREET. SO I THINK THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, ASPECT OF IT HAS SOME, I DON'T WANNA SAY LOOPHOLES, BUT DEFINITELY SOME POLLS IN IT REGARDING THE PROXIMITY. OKAY. WELL, BUT, BUT IT DOES APPEAR AS THOUGH THIS COUNCIL PREROGATIVE IS TO DEFINITELY EXPLORE THIS. YES. SO I'M SURE THERE'LL BE MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE HAPPY, AND I'M SURE THERE WILL BE MANY PEOPLE THAT WILL COME AND TELL US, UH, WHAT THEY'RE THINKING. THEY'RE STILL 17, THEY CAN SHOP AT 3D . UM, SO THE ITEM WE ADDED FOR BU IS, IS THE DMV MATCHING GRANT FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND BUDGET AMENDMENT. AND I BELIEVE, UM, MR. WALKS, WERE YOU GONNA SHARE THAT INFORMATION, KEITH? YEAH, I, OR WHOEVER'S I CAN SHARE, I CAN SHARE THE INFORMATION KALE'S IN THE AUDIENCE IF HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. UH, WE DO APPRECIATE, STAFF DOES APPRECIATE YOU ADDING THIS TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT. UH, THERE IS A DEADLINE FOR THIS GRANT OF OCTOBER 1ST. UH, SO, UH, WE APPLIED FOR THIS GRANT ANNUALLY THROUGH THE DMV AND THEY'RE MATCHING GRANTS FOR SPEED ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS ALCOHOL ENFORCEMENT. UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, CA CAN ANSWER YOU HERE, BUT THESE ARE MATCHING GRANTS THAT WE'D LIKE TO GO AFTER. WE GO AFTER 'EM EVERY YEAR. UM, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY TALKING TO MATCHING FUNDS OF $37,798. APOLOGIES FOR THE LAST MINUTE. WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT UNTIL THE END OF LAST MONTH. AND YEAH, IT'S A PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND, SO WE HAD TO GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU QUICKLY. IN FACT, JOE AND I WERE ON THE PHONE EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON. UM, MOST OF THE MATCHING GRANT, UH, FUNDAGE FROM THE TOWN COMES FROM VEHICLE MAINTENANCE AND, AND POL GAS, SOME OF THE VEHICLE COSTS. SO THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT A VERY BIG, UH, IMPACT TO OUR BUDGET AT ALL. BUT IT'S, IT'S 30, ROUGHLY $37,000 THAT THE, THAT WE WILL RECEIVE FROM , UH, SPEEDING UP ON. AND IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THIS GRANT BUDGET LINE, IT IS SOME FOR PERSONNEL, SOME FOR TRAINING, SOME FOR EQUIPMENT. RIGHT. THAT'S, THAT'S THE IDEA. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? SO OUR CONTRIBUTIONS, BASICALLY EXPENSES THAT WERE ALREADY INCURRED, SO CORRECT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NO ONE, UM, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THIS, THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER ITEM FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT. COUNCILMAN WOOD, YOU'RE GOOD WITH THIS DEAL ON CONSENT AGENDA, BRUCE? YEAH. MELISSA? UH, YEAH, JOSH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN 3D UM, SO FOUR A IS LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING ITEMS FOR OCTOBER 17TH. AND I JUST WANNA SAY THE , THE BEAUTY OF SOME OF THIS IS THAT SINCE WE NEVER HAD THE JULY MEETING, UM, MANY OF THESE THINGS STILL PROBABLY NEED TO BE CARRIED. I WON'T EVEN SAY CARRIED OVER 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T EVEN REALLY GET TO HAVE 'EM. SO, UM, AND I'M ASSUMING, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'LL BE AT THE COUNTY. MM-HMM. SINCE IT, IT'S THEIR MONTH EVEN THOUGH WE NEVER HAD THE TOWN ONE YEAH. IN JULY. OKAY. UM, I'M GONNA GO OVER WHAT WAS ON, WOULD'VE BEEN ON JULY AND WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER WE STILL WANT IT OR TAKE IT OFF. IT WAS INCREASE IN SOLID WASTE TIPPING FEES. UM, DO WE STILL WANT TO HAVE THAT ON THERE? NO, I THINK SO. OKAY. OKAY. UM, AND THEN NUMBER THREE, IT WAS VAPE SHOPS, UM, WHICH WE WERE GONNA BRING IT UP BECAUSE OF THEIR RECENT DISCUSSIONS ON A CIGARETTE TAX, AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF THIS OR NOT, BUT THEY, IT DID NOT PASS. MM-HMM. . YEAH. COUNTY DID NOT PASS IT. SO, UM, NOW BY OCTOBER, I MEAN WE CAN LEAVE IT ON THERE AND SHARE WITH THE COUNTY WHAT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TONIGHT AND WHAT WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS AT THE WORK SESSION IF, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT. LIKE AT LEAST TELL THEM WHAT WHAT COUNCIL'S, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THEY HAVE HOW MANY IN THE COUNTY? ONE, TWO. TWO. THEY HAVE TWO NOW. ONE IN, [01:10:01] UM, RIVER AND COMMON THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT AND THEN THERE'S ONE THE A C STORE. YEAH. OKAY. SO THERE'S TWO IN THE COUNTY. OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. SO IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH AT LEAST LEAVING THAT ON THERE? IT MIGHT NOT BE A REAL LONG DISCUSSION, BUT AT LEAST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SHARE WHAT WE'RE DOING. UH, TRANSP TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE. AND THAT KIND OF HAS BEEN A STANDING, UM, THING TO HAVE AT THE LIAISON MEETING BECAUSE IT IS A SUBCOMMITTEE AT A LIAISON. SO, UM, WE PROBABLY SHOULD LEAVE THAT ON THERE. WILL YOU ALL HAVE HAD A MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? YEAH, WE MEET, YEAH, WE MEET EVERY MONTH. RIGHT. OKAY. SO NOW THE NEXT WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE IN AUGUST THOUGH. PEOPLE WERE ON VACATION. YEAH, YEAH, WHEREVER. ONE IN SEPTEMBER. BUT BY THE TIME OCTOBER 17TH ROLL AROUND, YOU'LL HAVE HAD SEPTEMBER, POSSIBLY EVEN OCTOBER AND WE HAD JULY. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO FIVE AND SIX, WELL, FIVE IS THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. AND UM, HONESTLY I THOUGHT THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT WERE GONNA BE, THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT, OH, I KNOW WHAT I WAS THINKING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM THE APRIL MEETING, THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DEFERRED TO THE JULY MEETING. ONE WAS PROCESSING HOUSING VIOLATIONS AND TENANT AND LANDLORD ENFORCEMENT POLICY. THOSE WERE TWO ITEMS THAT WERE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA WAS THAT, UM, THAT THAT, UM, THE COUNTY DIDN'T, WASN'T GONNA PRESENT IN APRIL AND THEY WERE GONNA PRESENT IN JULY. SO, UM, AND WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN IN JULY WAS THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. MR. BEAN WAS GONNA DISCUSS THE FLOW CHART REGARDING HOUSING VIOLATIONS AND THE PROCESS FROM INCIDENT TO COMPLAINT. WOULD THAT INCLUDE TENANT AND LANDLORD ENFORCEMENT? DO Y'ALL KNOW ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEA? MR. , DO YOU KNOW THAT IF THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UM, TENANT AND LANDLORD, IF WHAT WOULD THEY WOULD'VE DISCUSSED IN JULY WAS PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE THAT HE WAS, THAT MR. BEAM WAS GONNA DISCUSS THE FLOW CHART REGARDING HOUSING VIOLATIONS IN THE PROCESS FROM INCIDENT TO COMPLAINT? SO MAYOR, I, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A COUNTY ITEM, SO I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHAT THEIR INTENT IS ON THIS ITEM, SO, OKAY. BECAUSE I, I KNOW I, I'M STILL GETTING LOTS OF, UM, FEEDBACK ABOUT LANDLORD STUFF IN TOWN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, IS THAT WHERE WE, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE STARTING THAT AT OUR LEVEL OR, OR I GUESS IF IT'S THIS LAST WEEK WHEN DANIEL WAS TALKING, SOME OF THAT STUFF HAD TO BE THROUGH THE COUNTY, RIGHT? LIKE HOW THIS IS THE ONLY PART THAT'S THROUGH THE COUNTY IF IT VIOLATES THE MAINTENANCE CODE. OKAY. RIGHT. SO THEY'RE, THE COUNTY IS THE, LIKE, EVENTUALLY THEY'RE KIND OF THE REMEDY TOO, BECAUSE WHEN WE CITE THEM, THEY MAY NEED TO GO TO THE COUNTY TO PULL A BUILDING PERMIT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL THERE. RIGHT. THE LANDLORD TENANT ACT OF THE STATE ACT. YEAH. IN RELATIONSHIP. OKAY. I JUST KNOW THAT THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSED IN APRIL AND IT SAID THE ITEM WAS DEFERRED TO THE JULY 18TH MEETING BECAUSE SOMEBODY WASN'T READY. SO I GUESS WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S COME UP BEFORE IN A LIAISON MEETING. SO ANYWAY, I I, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE COUNTY TO PRESENT, BUT THAT WAS THEIR THING. UM, THEN ALSO IN JULY THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WATER CONSERVATION DUE TO THE DROUGHT CONDITIONS AND THE COUNTY WAS GONNA INQUIRE ABOUT A DROUGHT ACTION PLAN IN CORRELATION WITH POTENTIAL HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. I GUESS WE SHOULD JUST SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY ADD IT TO AGAIN. MM-HMM. , IS THAT THE IDEA? YES. UM, AND THEN THE YOUTH CENTER UPDATE ON FUNDING, THAT WAS THE COUNTY. AND OBVIOUSLY IF THEY WANNA UP, IF THEY WANNA, IF THEY WANNA ADD IT, FINE, IF NOT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK 'EM. SURE. UM, AND THEN THE REGIONAL SHOOTING RANGE FACILITY, UM, WHICH YEAH, I'M THINKING THEY, SO YES, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT. I I THINK WE NEED TO START DISCUSSIONS ON THAT. YES. IT SAID THE COUNTY. I THOUGHT WE ADDED IT LAST TIME. YEAH. IT SAYS COUNTY BESIDE IT. WELL. OH. AND THEN IT SAYS IN THE SUMMARY THAT YOU SUGGESTED A, UM, YEAH, THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE SO COUNCIL MEMBERS. IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU THINK AT THIS TIME? I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION AND I GUESS IT'S MORE FOR MR. WALTER [01:15:01] OR MR. SONIC. DURING OUR WATER CONSERVATION, WHEN WE GO INTO MANDATORY WATER CONSERVATION, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN? WE HAVE THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON DUCK STREET, NOT A PENCIL STONE. AND WE HAVE BLUE AND SHADOWS. WE HAVE A CODE IN TOWN THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T WASH YOUR DRIVEWAY AND DON'T WATER BETWEEN CERTAIN HOURS AND WHATEVER OUR CODE SAYS ABOUT THE CONSERVING WATER. BUT WHEN WE GO INTO THE COUNTY, WE SUPPLY THAT. BUT I WOULD SUSPECT OUR ORDINANCES DON'T APPLY TO, CORRECT. RIGHT. CORRECT. SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK FOR IN PARTICIPATION, COOPERATION FROM THE COUNTY, THAT WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. IT'S NOT JUST TOWN CITIZENS CUTTING BACK ON OUR WATER USE. YEAH. UH, DON'T HAVE APPLEBEE'S OUT THERE SPRAYING THEIR DRIVEWAY OFF EVERY DAY. WE CAN'T DO THAT HERE. BUT THEY NEED TO, TO HAVE A MECHANISM OBVIOUSLY TO, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA SAY THEY DON'T PROVIDE WATER, BUT THE MECHANISM NEEDS TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THOSE USERS IN THE QUARTER. AND I'M NOT CLEAR, BUT I WOULD SUSPECT THEN THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO ENFORCE I, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT, BUT IT, BUT IT IS UNFAIR THAT OUR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE PUT UNDER MANDATES AND, AND THOSE RESIDENTS AND, AND UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT. WELL THE RESIDENTS AND THE, IT WOULD ONLY BE THE RESIDENTS STILL THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE PRIVATE WELLS, BUT THE COMMERCIAL ABOUT THE WE PROVIDE WATER, THEY DON'T AND HEADS SOME STONE. THOSE ARE OH, THE RESIDENTS AND DEXTER, I WOULD SAY, I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ONES DO HAVE SOME THINGS IN PLACE. SOME OF 'EM HAVE WATER RECYCLERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WELL, I WOULD SUSPECT THE CAR WASH DOES OUT THERE. MM-HMM. . WELL, I DON'T THINK, BUT I KNOW SOMETIMES SOME OF THE, SOME OF OUR, UM, RESTRICTIONS SAY THINGS LIKE AT RESTAURANTS ONLY SERVING WATER IF THEY ASK. I MEAN IT'S THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT THAT IS A GOOD POINT BECAUSE THE RESTAURANTS IN THE CORRIDOR ARE USING OUR, YOU KNOW, CHILD PROVIDED WATER. SO I THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD CONVERSATION REALLY TO HAVE. BUT I WILL SAY THEY'RE PAYING TWO TIMES THE RATE. RIGHT. JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THEY'RE NOT PAYING THE SAME AS WHAT WE PAY FOR WATER IS NON-RESIDENTS. RIGHT. BUT IF WE'RE RUNNING UP NO, I KNOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE AFFECTING IT. SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION. AND I KNOW THERE WAS LOTS OF CONVERSATION OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT IT TOO, WHERE NOT ABOUT THAT, BUT JUST PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, I'M OUT IN THE COUNTY, I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. AND THEN OF COURSE PEOPLE WERE BATTING BACK AND FORTH, WELL, WHEN YOUR WELL DOOR RUNS DRY AND BLAH, BLAH BLAH AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO, SO THAT IS A GOOD CONVERSATION, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY WERE BRINGING, THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UH, WATER CONSERVATION. THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US. SO YOU COULD ADD THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UM, THAT COUNSEL WAS INTERESTED IN? UM, YEP. WELL THIS IS JUST BECAUSE THIS IS ON OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL HEALTHCARE SERVICE PROVIDERS, THEY ALREADY, THEY ALREADY, THEY ALREADY PASSED THEIR, THEY PASSED THEIR RESOLUTION. IS THAT SOMETHING WE WERE, WELL, WE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT ANYWAYS, SO IF WE WOULD, BUT THEY, THEY ALREADY PASSED IT. I MEAN, WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THEY PASSED IT BEFORE WE, UH, TALKED ABOUT IT. SO ANYTHING ELSE? IT'S NOT LIKE WE DON'T, IT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY A LENGTHY ONE. AND SO BE THINKING ABOUT, UM, WHO IS GONNA ATTEND WITH ME AS WELL IN OCTOBER OUT. I THINK IT WAS MELISSA'S TURN. WAS IT? IS IT I WAS SIGNED UP TO DO THIS. GLEN WAS THE LAST TIME'S BEEN A WHILE? I, I DID IT NOT TOO LONG AGO. LIKE MAYBE YOU WERE ON VACATION, BUT NOW DO IT FINE, BILL. NO, I JUST, I'M NOT GONNA VOLUNTEER. I WAS GONNA DO IT FOR, FOR JULY. OKAY. OH, YOU WERE GONNA DO IT FOR JULY. SO THEN YOU IF THEN YOU GUYS OCTOBER. THAT'S GOOD. AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE IT. UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT ITEM IS THE RESOLUTION REQUESTING ADDITIONAL HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS. UM, AND SO THE, UM, WHAT IS IN OUR PACKET WAS SOMETHING THAT A CITIZEN FROM THE COUNTY SHARED, BUT ALSO THE, UM, RESOLUTION THAT THE COUNTY PASSED. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, I'M READY TO PASS THE RESOLUTION. I MEAN, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT PRIOR. [01:20:01] SO THE, UM, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T DONE LINE BY LINE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY DID. WAS, WAS THERE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, WHAT THE COUNTY PASSED AND WHAT WAS SHARED WITH US? NO. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COUNTY TALKED MORE ABOUT MATERNITY AND YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, IN WATCHING THAT, THAT'S WHAT I CALL YEAH. IN WATCHING THEM THAT NIGHT, I THOUGHT THAT THEY FOCUSED MORE ON, UM, UH, LOCALLY ACCESSIBLE, AFFORDABLE, AND TIMELY MATERNITY AND WOMEN'S HEALTHCARE. YEAH. IT WAS MORE ABOUT THAT. UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF THE NEEDS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN APPOINTMENT TO GO TO URGENT CARE. IF YOU BREAK YOUR LEG OR YOUR ARM WHERE WE HAVE AN X-RAY FACILITY AT URGENT CARE, YOU CAN'T BE SEEN WITHOUT AN APPOINTMENT. I'LL TRY TO, AGAIN, YOU GOTTA LEAVE UNTIL YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT AND COME BACK. THERE'S NOTHING URGENT ABOUT THAT CARE. QUICK ABOUT QUICK CARE. YOU CAN'T BE SEEN AT QUICK CARE EITHER WITHOUT AN APPOINTMENT. SO IT'S A PRIMARY HEALTHCARE PROVIDER IS WHAT IT IS. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT THE, THE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE COUNTY BASICALLY HAS THE SAME WORDING SOMEWHAT. THEY JUST TOOK OUT. THEY DID. THEY ADDED, NO, THEY WERE SPECIFIC WITH WOMEN'S CARE. SO I GUESS THE MATERNITY AND WOMEN'S HEALTHCARE. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHAT DOES THIS COUNCIL, UM, WHAT, WHAT TYPES OF THINGS DO YOU WANT IN IT? I MEAN, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THE COUNTY HAS OR DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE? UM, CHANGE THE WORDING. I MEAN, COUNCILMAN RAT REPORT IS CORRECT. THAT DEFINITELY THE FOCUS. 'CAUSE IT EVEN SAYS WHEREAS THIS BOARD RECOGNIZES THAT THE LACK OF ATTORNEY AND WOMEN'S MEDICAL SERVICES IS RESULTING IN HIGHER FREQUENCY OF MEDICAL TRANSPORT TO FACILITIES OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA, WHICH COMES WITH ADDITIONAL RISK AND EXPENSE, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, I WOULD LIKE OUR RESOLUTION TO INCLUDE ON THE FIRST EXAMPLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. WHEREAS FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY IS IDEALLY SITUATED IN THE SHERO VALLEY AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO MAJOR HIGHWAYS. I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE INCLUDED IN OUR RESOLUTION. UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T SEE ANY TO CHANGE ANYTHING FROM THE FIRST. OKAY. THE LAST EXAMPLE, THE LAST PARAGRAPH KIND OF LIKE SUMS IT UP. WHICH ONE? THE COUNTIES OR THE ONE THAT WAS SHARED WITH US? THE, THE, THE INIT, THE, THE, THE FIRST ONE THAT CAME UP, THE, THE RESOLUTION WAS THE ADDITIONAL ONE ELSE HERE. PROVIDER WHERE IT SAYS, LET IT HEREBY BE RESOLVED THAT THIS BOARD PUBLICLY INFORMALLY STATES ITS DESIRE TO EXPAND THE MEDICAL CARE AVAILABLE IN FRONT OLD WARREN COUNTY. AND WE ENCOURAGE PROVIDERS TO BEGIN THE PROCESS AS NEEDED TO DO SO. I LIKE THAT ENTIRE RESOLUTION VERBATIM. I THINK IT'S FACTUAL, IT'S DIRECT AND IT SHOULDN'T BE OFFENSIVE. YEP. AND I THINK IT'D MAKE IT MUCH EASIER TO ALIGN WITH, WITH WHAT'S ALREADY OPEN THE DOOR UP FOR THE ONLY THING YOU DO BY OPENING THE DOOR IS INCREASING THE QUALITY OF CARE AND DECREASING THE COST. I MEAN, IT'S SIMPLE ECONOMICS, APPLYING DEMAND. SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY WOULD BE OFFENDED BY THIS. UM, AND I'M HEARING, UH, THAT THAT FIRST ONE, UH, THE FIR VERY FIRST LINE IS JUST GONNA REMAIN HEALTHCARE. NOT JUST MATERNITY AND WOMEN'S HEALTHCARE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE. HEALTHCARE. I AGREE. WE LACK MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY. WE LACK, UM, UROLOGY. WE LACK PATHOLOGY AND ONCOLOGY. WE LACK DENTAL. WE LACK, YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF SERVICES THAT WE LACK IN WARREN COUNTY PEDIATRIC. THERE'S NO PEDIATRIC SPECIALIST. SO AM I HEARING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR MR. SONNET TO BASICALLY CRAFT ONE THAT'S MUCH LIKE THE FIRST ONE, BUT WITHOUT, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANYBODY WANTS ANY CHANGES TO IT. THE FIRST ONE, YES OR NO? IT, I, IT DID. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY SAY THAT, BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU DID, THIS WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY. WELL, I, I LIKE IT SUCCINCT AND I THINK IT'S TO THE POINT I DON'T SEE NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING FOR ME. I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TOO THAT BY DOING SO, IT SHOWS A JOINT TOWN COUNTY EFFORT I THINK AS WELL. SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S IS MORE SPECIFIC TO WOMEN'S CARE, I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AND AND HONESTLY WE, YOU KNOW, I I KNOW THOSE WERE MY COMMENTS TO, UM, VALLEY HEALTH WAS THAT REALLY, THIS WAS MORE OR LESS JUST SAYING WE'RE OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, HAVING OTHER PEOPLE PROVIDE SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT ARE BEING UNMET. RIGHT? CORRECT. SO THAT, YEAH. [01:25:01] ALL RIGHT. YES. NO, EVERYBODY GOOD HAVING GEORGE CRAFT SOMETHING? NOW THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS A, DOES THIS HAVE A, UM, THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? THIS IS JUST A RESOLUTION IS JUST, IT DOESN'T REQUIREMENT. YEP. SO THE NEXT QUESTION IS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE READY FOR THE 23RD OR WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE MOVE IT TO OCTOBER'S MEETING? I THINK IT'S GOOD TO GO. I PREFER IT BE ON SEPTEMBER 23RD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I MEAN, UNDER BUSINESS, OR I THINK IT SHOULD BE UNDER BUSINESS. THERE ARE NO MATERIAL CHANGES TO WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US NOW. SO BUSINESS, BUSINESS WOULD ALLOW FOR IT THERE TO BE DISCUSSION. SO, SO INSTEAD OF CONSENT, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, THE ONLY THING THAT THAT STOOD OUT TO ME THAT MIGHT BE MISSING IS CRITICAL CARE. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING. I MEAN, YOU CAN READ, YOU CAN READ INTO IT. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHY DO YOU WANT TO GET INTO SPECIFICS? YOU KNOW? WELL THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE SAYING WHEN THESE LADIES HAD SAID LIKE, YOU'RE THINKING MORE, UM, BROAD RANGE OF HEALTHCARE, THEN IT DOES, LIKE, IT GIVES PARAGRAPHS ABOUT CERTAIN MEDICAL SERVICES. RIGHT? CERTAIN. BUT I'M SAYING LIKE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE MOTHER BABY THING, BUT IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE OFFERING LIKE CRITICAL CARE. UM, I GUESS YOU DO HAVE A STEP DOWN HOSPITAL. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, THEY CUT THE NUMBER OF BEDS IN HALF UNLESS SOMEBODY COMES IN AND BUILDS ANOTHER HOSPITAL. WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING THAT BAD. OKAY. SO IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH, UM, THE FIRST ONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . YEAH. NOTHING IN THAT WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM, FROM ADDRESSING BROADER NEEDS. YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE OPEN-ENDED. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, SO THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS CLOSE ME AND, UM, PLEASE SOMEBODY USE THE REVISED MOTION. DOES THAT INCLUDES THE ITEM WE ADDED AT THE END? HOW DID THAT LOOK? NO, NO, NO. IT'S THIS ONE. WHAT DID, IT'S ALREADY THERE. TINA REREAD THE, OH YEAH, I GOT YOU. OKAY. REVISED MOTION TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING. ARE WE READY FOR IT? MM-HMM. . ALRIGHT, MADAM MAYOR, I'LL MOVE THAT TOWN. COUNCIL, CONTINUE CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2, UH, DAKOTA OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES. AND THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER TAKING ACTION ON THESE MATTERS IN OPEN SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY OR SPECIFICALLY TO TOWN ATTORNEY. AND TWO, PURSUANT TO 2.2 SECTION, SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, EMPLOYEE, OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING A PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL, OR SPECIFICALLY A, THE DISSOLUTION OF A DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA, AND B, THE CONDITIONAL VACATION AND SALE OF A PORTION OF NORTH ROYAL AVENUE AND AN UNAPPROVED ALLEYWAY BETWEEN NORTH ROYAL AVENUE AND VIRGINIA AVENUE. SECOND. OKAY, THANKS, MAYOR SEA. ABSENT. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES. MS. ? YES. OKAY. SO WE'RE ENCLOSED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.