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I AM GONNA CALL THE TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR[Town Council Work Session on August 12, 2024.]
WORK SESSION TO ORDER FOR MONDAY, AUGUST 12TH.MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR RELL.
COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE IS ABSENT.
THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS ABOUT CLOSED MEETING.
UH, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2.
THERE'S 37 12 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FILING PURPOSE.
ONE PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH SEVEN 11 A EIGHT, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC HEY, HEY, UM, COUNCILMAN ABRA.
SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
IF YOU GO TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, IT'S THAT PARTICULAR CLOSED.
IT'S THE CLOSED MEETING FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
CAN I, DO YOU WANT ME TO SHARE? OKAY.
PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 37 11 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY THE CLERK OF COUNSEL AND COUNTY ATTORNEY.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, HERE, I'M GONNA H YOU THIS ONE 'CAUSE IT, I KNOW IT'S VERY CONFUSING 'CAUSE WE HAVE TWO CLOTHES TONIGHT, BUT I'M ACTUALLY POOR BRUCE.
DO YOU MIND READING THAT? NO, I GOT HER HERE.
UM, SO ME JUST START OVER CAME.
MADAM MAYOR, MOVED TO THE TOWN COUNCIL CON CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE.
UH, ONE PURSUANT TO CODE SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 33 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE DEMO MOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
MS. PRESBY, CAN WE DO ROLL CALL VICE MAYOR CACH ABSENT.
COUNCILMAN DAMON PAYNE IS ABSENT.
WE ARE NOW ENCLOSED I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, CERTIFY THAT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER'S AFFIRMATIVE VOTE THAT ONLY SET PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS WERE LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING BY COUNCIL.
AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF TOWN COUNCIL MAYOR.
COUNCILMAN D DEMON PAYNE IS ABSENT.
SO ITEM NUMBER THREE FOR OUR WORK SESSION TONIGHT IS ACTUALLY AN ACTION ITEM THAT REQUIRES A VOTE.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE ARE ALLOWED, UM, BY OUR TOWN CODE TO HAVE AN ACTION ITEM IN DURING WORK SESSIONS.
IT'S, UM, NOT REALLY NECESSARILY RECOMMEND IT, BUT WE, BUT WE ARE ABLE TO DO IT.
AND THIS PARTICULAR ITEM TONIGHT HAD SOME TIME SENSITIVITY TO IT.
AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE WENT AHEAD AND BROUGHT IT, UM, TO A WORK SESSION.
SO COUNSEL IS AWARE, BUT, UM, COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION FOR THE TOWN'S PARTICIPATION IN THE PROPOSED SETTLEMENT OF OPIOID RELATED CLAIMS AGAINST REGIONAL SUPERMARKET PHARMACY, KROGER COMPANY WITH SETTLEMENT FUNDS TO BE USED TO REMEDIATE AND ABATE THE IMPACTS OF THE OPIOID CRISIS.
THE SETTLEMENT ALSO CONTAINING INJUNCTIVE RELIEF GOVERNING OPIOID DISPENSING PRACTICES AND REQUIRES KROGER COMPANY TO IMPLEMENT SAFEGUARDS TO PREVENT DIVERSION OF PRESCRIPTION OPIOIDS AS PRESENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW COUNCIL'S AWARE, BUT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, UM, THAT IF, IF THIS, UH, RESOLUTION IS, UM, APPROVED, PART OF THIS IS THE MORE LOCALITIES THAT ACTUALLY JOIN IN ON THIS SETTLEMENT IS GONNA, UM, MAKE IT, UM, MORE POWERFUL, I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY FOR ME TO SAY THAT.
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UM, SO, UM, ANYWAY, UH, THE OTHER THING THAT, UM, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE AWARE IS THAT ONLY CERTAIN LOCALITIES WOULD RECEIVE MONEY FROM THE SETTLEMENT.FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE OTHER OPIOID SETTLEMENT OR ABATEMENT, UM, THE COUNTY RECEIVED THE FUNDS, THE TOWN DID NOT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THE SAME WITH THIS PARTICULAR, UM, THIS SITUATION.
UM, BECAUSE IT HAS TO HAVE A CERTAIN POPULATION THRESHOLD TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT.
I JUST WANNA OFFER THIS OR NOT OFFER IT.
STATE THIS, I KNOW THAT THE OTHER OPIOID ABATEMENT, I, I HOPE IF THE COUNTY RECEIVES FUNDS FROM THIS, THAT THEY CAN BE USED TOWARDS SOME OF THE DRUG COURT PROGRAMS. UM, WHEN, WHEN THE TOWN PARTICIPATED IN, UM, THE INITIAL LIKE SETTING UP OF THE DRUG COURT, THERE WAS THE, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT WHEN THESE SETTLEMENTS CAME IN, THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP FUND DRUG COURT AND SOME OF ITS PROGRAMS, UM, AND THINKING THAT THAT WAS COMING IN THE FUTURE.
SO I HOPE THE SAME IF, IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS SETTLEMENT THAT, UM, THAT THEY CAN USE, UM, USE SOME OF THE, THE BENEFITS OF THIS FOR THE DRUG COURT PROGRAM.
UM, I KNOW MR. WALTZ ARE ONE OF OUR, OUR DRUG COURT MEETINGS 'CAUSE MR. WALTZ AND I ATTEND, THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE OTHER SETTLEMENTS.
IT COULDN'T BE USED TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE, WHICH THE DRUG COURT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
HOWEVER, THE DRUG COURT ALSO LIKE, HAS STARTED DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND THINGS TO HELP, UM, THOSE THAT ARE THE PARTICIPANTS.
AND SO MAYBE IT COULD BE TOWARDS THE EDUCATION OR, OR OTHER THINGS FOR THEM.
SO, COUNCIL, HAVE ANY COMMENTS? ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? ANY THIS? WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION FIRST.
GO AHEAD, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL APPROVE RESOLUTION FOR THE TOWN'S PARTICIPATION IN THE PROPOSED SETTLEMENT OF OPIOID RELATED CLAIMS AGAINST REGIONAL SUPERMARKET PHARMACY, KROGER COMPANY WITH SETTLEMENT FUNDS TO BE USED TO REMEDIATE AND ABATE THE IMPACTS OF THE OPIOID CRISIS AS PRESENTED.
I FURTHER MOVE THAT COUNSEL AUTHORIZED THE TOWN MANAGER AND TOWN ATTORNEY TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.
SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? MY ONLY DISCUSSION WAS GOING TO BE TO NOTE THAT WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
I KNOW WHEN YOU SAT ON COUNCIL WITH ME AND IT, THE FUNDS DO GO TO THE COUNTY, BUT THIS IS KIND OF OUR WAY OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING AND JOINING THE EFFORT.
THIS ALSO I'LL ADD TO CLEARLY THIS IS A NATIONAL PROBLEM AND UH, THERE'S, I READ THAT, UH, THERE'S A BILLION DOLLARS THAT KROGER IS GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, PAY OUT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE NATION.
SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE SOME MONEY.
THE FIRST OPIOID ABATEMENT, UM, SETTLEMENT THAT OR, YOU KNOW, UH, YEAH.
SETTLEMENT CASE THAT THE TOWN WAS INVOLVED IN.
UM, THEY HAD, THEY REACHED OUT TO ALL THE LOCALITIES AND ASKED ANYBODY THAT WOULD COME ON BOARD AND THIS TOWN COUNCIL OR THE TOWN COUNCIL AT THE TOWN APPROVED THAT.
AND THEY HAD SAID THE MORE LOCALITIES THAT JOIN IN, THE MORE YOU KNOW, FORCE OR TEETH THAT WE GIVE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THE MORE THE STATE WILL RECEIVE.
THAT'S TWO SIGNIFICANCE OF LOCAL PARTICIPATION AND THAT PARTICULAR ONE, EVERY LOCALITY IN THE STATE JOINED IN ON THAT SETTLEMENT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, WAS, I WONDER HOW OFTEN THAT HAPPENS? YOU, BUT EVERYBODY GOT ON BOARD AND GOT ON.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S THE SAME CASE WITH THIS.
UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE? MS. MAYOR SEA'S ABSENT.
COUNCILMAN DEAMON PAINTS ABSENT.
ALRIGHT, MR. PASSES, I'M GONNA SIGN THIS RESOLUTION, MR. PRESSLEY, PASS IT DOWN TO YOU.
ALRIGHT, SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM FOUR A.
UM, AND THIS IS ABOUT THE MCKAY SPRING SITE EVALUATION.
UM, MR SHOULD I JUST TURN THAT OVER TO, OH, NO, I'M SORRY.
MR. BOYER AND, UM, STEVIE STEEL FROM CHA.
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I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT.UH, COUNSEL AGAIN, I WANTED TO COME AT THE HOW MANAGER'S REQUEST TO HAVE A LITTLE BACK AND FORTH, IF YOU MAY, ABOUT THIS EVALUATION.
I'VE GOT SOME SLIDES THAT I WANT TO PRE PRESENT FIRST AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT STAFF AND CHA ARE HITTING THE MARK ON WHAT COUNCIL IS TRYING TO GET OUT OF THIS EVALUATION.
MAYBE GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION IN REAL TIME TO PREVENT TRYING TO COMMUNICATE ONCE A ONCE A MONTH AT THE MEETINGS AND SO FORTH.
SO JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I PROVIDE IS EXACTLY WHAT COUNSEL WANTS OUT OF, OUT OF THE MCKAY SPRINGS AND AN ALTERNATIVE SOURCE.
SO, PROJECT OVERVIEW, THE TOP IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS THE ACTUAL SURVEYED PARCEL INFORMATION.
THE TOWN DOES OWN THIS PROPERTY WHEREVER KAY SPRING RESIDES.
THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THAT PROPERTY.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY UTILIZED TO SERVE A NEARBY TRAILER PARK.
BDH DISCONTINUED USE OF THAT AS A SOURCE IN 1990 SOMETHING I WANT COUNSEL TO BE AWARE OF.
THE REASON WE WOULD CONSIDER WELLS, INSTEAD OF JUST PULLING STRAIGHT OFF OF THE SPRING SURFACE WATER OTHER THAN QUARRIES, IF IT'S FLOWING STREAM, YOU HAVE TO LET 90% OF THAT FLOW GO BY.
SO B EQ ONLY ALLOWS YOU TO PULL 10% OF THAT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PURPOSES.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU GO IN THERE AND TAKE MORE THAN THAT.
YOU DRIVE A STREAM, YOU KILL WILDLIFE.
THERE'S A LOT OF IMPACT TO DOWNSTREAM WHERE THAT WATER GOES.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN, UH, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S COMING OUTTA THE SPRING ABOVE GROUND.
BUT IF YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO TAKE 10% OF IT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A LOT OF WATER THAT DEQ DOES, HOWEVER, ALLOW YOU TO TAKE A LOT MORE THAN THAT IF YOU INTERSECT THE WATER BEFORE IT GETS TO THE SURFACE.
SO, IN MANY INSTANCES WHERE SPRINGS EXIST, WE'VE DONE THIS IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT LOCALITIES.
IF YOU DRILL A WELL AND FIND THAT FRACTURE TRACE INTERSECTION BEFORE IT GETS TO THE TOP OF THE WATER, THEN YOU CAN TAKE 55% OF THE WELL YIELD.
WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE, THE WELL TECHNOLOGY MOVING FORWARD.
SO AS I SAID, WELL, DEVELOPMENT ALLOWS 65% OF THE TOTAL WELL YIELD.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAD A A WELL THAT PRODUCED A HUNDRED GALLONS A MINUTE, THAT WOULD BE THE SAFE, WELL YIELD VDH WOULD LET YOU UTILIZE 80,000 GALLONS A DAY OF THAT.
SO KEEPING THAT IN MIND, YOU CAN ALSO HAVE MULTIPLE WELLS ON THAT SITE.
THE KICKER IS A DRAW DOWN TEST IS DONE WHEN YOU DRILL A WELL, YOU HAVE A WATER LEVEL THAT COMES UP INTO THAT.
WELL, YOU PUT ENOUGH PRESSURE ON IT WITH A PUMP UNTIL YOU START SEEING THAT LEVEL GO DOWN.
WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THAT MEANS THAT'S AT THAT POINT YOU CAN'T REALLY DRAW ANY MORE WATER THAN THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE IMPACTING THE ABILITY FOR IT TO RECHARGE.
IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE WELLS ON THIS SITE, THEN YOU WOULD TEST WELL ONE, AND YOU WOULD GET A, WELL YIELD, YOU DRILL ANOTHER WELL WHILE YOU'RE PUTTING PRESSURE ON.
WELL, TWO, YOU HAVE TO MONITOR THE LEVEL IN WELL, ONE, BECAUSE IF THEY ARE INTERCONNECTED AND BOTH TAPPING THE SAME SOURCE, THEN YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TWO WELLS.
YOU HAVE TWO HOLES PULLING FROM THE SAME SOURCE OF WATER.
OUR GOAL, IF WE HAD MULTIPLE WELLS, WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY TO HIT DIFFERENT FRACTURE TRACE INTERSECTIONS SO THAT WE'RE IMPACTING DIFFERENT SOURCES OF WATER.
THEN YOU CAN UTILIZE 55% OF EVERY WELL THAT YOU DRILL AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT INTERCONNECTED.
AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND WHAT WE WOULD GO ABOUT GOING FOR THAT SCIENCE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? JUST OVERVIEW SO FAR? SO TO UTILIZE A GROUNDWATER SOURCE, THE FIRST THING WE WOULD DO IS WELL SITE IDENTIFICATION.
20 YEARS AGO YOU TOOK A STICK OUT THE, THE LOCAL FARMER THAT WAS REALLY GOOD AT THAT, AND IT TURNED DOWN WHEN YOU CAME TO A WELL SITE AND IT DID PRETTY GOOD FOR A LONG TIME.
WE HAVE BETTER TECHNOLOGY THAN THAT, THANKFULLY.
IT INVOLVES NON-INVASIVE RESISTIVITY TESTING AND ESSENTIALLY RODS ARE DRIVEN.
WE CREATE A, A CHECKERBOARD, SO TO SPEAK, YOU RUN A A, A RESISTIVITY ELECTRIC CURRENT THROUGH THE GROUND AND IT MAPS THE GEOLOGIC STRUCTURE BETWEEN THOSE
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POINTS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE RIF.AND THAT ACTUALLY JUST GIVES YOU IMPERVIOUS AREAS.
SO IT'S, IT SHOWS YOU WHERE VOIDS EXIST AND WHERE WATER ACTUALLY EXISTS IN THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
SO WE WOULD DO A GRID OF THOSE AND THAT WOULD IDENTIFY EVERYWHERE WE THINK USING THAT TECHNOLOGY, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE FOR YOU TO, TO HIT WATER.
AND WE WOULD CITE AS MANY WELLS AS, AS WE THOUGHT WERE REASONABLE.
AFTER THAT, THEN WE, WE WOULD LOOK AT A PRELIMINARY SIDE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ROOM FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED.
IF ONE OR MORE OF THOSE WELLS WORK, YOU DO HAVE TO DO SOME LEVEL OF TREATMENT ON WELL WATER.
MOST OF THE TIME IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT, NOTHING LIKE SURFACE WATER.
YOU MAY HAVE TO HIT IT WITH SOME CHLORINE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE IF YOU'VE GOT MANGANESE OR IRON, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY PREVALENT IN THIS PART OF THE, THE VIRGINIA FOOTPRINT.
SO WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE SITE WAS GENERALLY LAID OUT TO HAVE ALL THE FACILITIES NEEDED SO THAT WE DIDN'T DRILL A WELL.
AND THEN THERE'S NO ROOM FOR YOU TO PUT THE TREATMENT FACILITY JUST THINKING OVER THE WHOLE PRO, THE WHOLE AREA IN A HOLISTIC WAY.
THEN WE WOULD IDENTIFY LOCAL, WELL DRILLERS.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE LOCAL, BUT WHOEVER WE BELIEVE WOULD DO THE BEST JOB DRILLING TEST WELLS GET A COST FROM THEM ON THE PER FOOT COST.
AND THEN BASED ON THE RESISTIVITY TEST, WE WOULD KNOW GENERALLY HOW MANY FEET WE BELIEVE WE WOULD'VE TO DRILL TO HIT WATER.
AT THAT POINT, I WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, HERE IS WHERE WE THINK WE HAVE WELLS.
IF YOU WANT TO MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP, THAT IS A TEST.
WELL, AND A TEST WELL IS NOT A FULLY DEVELOPED, WELL, IT'S NOT CASED.
IT'S ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE HOW MUCH WATER YOU HAVE IN THAT HOLE BEFORE YOU SPEND THE NEXT BUCKET OF MONEY TO ACTUALLY CASE IT AND TURN IT INTO A CLASS B WELL, THAT VDH WOULD APPROVE FOR USE.
SO THAT IS THE, THE WELL OPTION.
AND AGAIN, DEPENDING ON COUNSEL'S DIRECTION, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SOURCE THAT IS REDUNDANT, YOU'RE PRODUCING ABOUT 2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO THE MATH ON HOW MANY, A HUNDRED GALLON A MINUTE WELLS.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO EQUAL 2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
SO JUST KEEP IT IN MIND, IF IF THE DIRECTION IS TOTAL REDUNDANCY, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA MAKE IT HARD FOR ENOUGH WELLS TO EQUAL THAT AMOUNT.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A, A SUPPLEMENT, SOMETHING THAT WOULD ADD TO YOUR EXISTING RIVER WITHDRAWAL SOURCE, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY AS WELL.
WHAT WOULD YOU NEED FOR THAT? OR CAN YOU PREDICT THAT YOU'RE SAYING 2 MILLION, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS A DAY.
WHAT WOULD IT BE FOR JUST A SUPPLEMENT? WELL, AGAIN, I, I, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
I'M WONDER, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF COUNSEL'S LOOKING FOR ENOUGH TO MAYBE SERVE A PORTION OF THE 5 22 CORRIDOR, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR ENOUGH TO SERVE THE ENTIRE 5 22 CORRIDOR? IS THAT EVEN SOMETHING THAT IS DRIVING, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE, THE COUNTY AND OTHER FOLKS, IF THEY'RE ASKING IF THERE IS A REDUNDANT SOURCE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THAT'S A QUESTION I CAN ANSWER, BUT I NEED TO KNOW IF THAT IS REALLY TRULY WHAT COUNCIL WANTS FULLY REDUNDANT SOURCE OR SOMETHING THAT COULD SUPPLEMENT WHAT YOU HAVE.
WHAT WOULD, WHEN THIS, WHEN COUNCIL BEGAN EXPLORING THE CASE SPRINGS, IT WAS ACTUALLY A ALMOST ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COUNCIL THAN WHAT'S HERE TODAY.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS EXPLORATION WAS FOR, UM, AN ALTERNATIVE SOURCE.
IN THE CASE OF INSTANCES LIKE WE JUST FACED WITH THE DROUGHT, UH, WHERE WE WERE IN A MANDATORY WATER CONSERVATION, UH, LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF FRONT ROYAL THAT WE EVER BECAME A MANDATORY, UH, WATER CONSERVATION LEVEL BEFORE THAT HAD ALWAYS BEEN VOLUNTARY.
UM, SO I KNOW MY DESIRE FOR COUNCIL IS NOT TO HAVE A REDUNDANT SOURCE.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANNA BE MINDFUL OF IS TO NOT HURT OTHER PEOPLE'S WELL IN THAT AREA, BUT ALSO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SOURCE FOR THE TOWN AND CASE OF EMERGENCIES.
UM, AND IT WAS ALSO KIND OF DIFFICULT BECAUSE AT THE TIME, MAYOR ER WAS SO COUNSEL WITH ME AND THE COUNTY WAS EXPLORING A REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY MM-HMM.
IT WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE OR A LIAISON, HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE TO CALL IT, WITH FREDERICK COUNTY AND A COUPLE OF OTHER COUNTIES.
AND IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO BRING THE WATER HERE.
BUT ALSO THE TOWN HAD ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THE REDUNDANT WATER LINE UNDERNEATH THE SHENANDOAH RIVER AT THE DUMP BRIDGES AT THE NORTH END OF TOWN
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CORRIDOR.SO WE HAD ALREADY PAID ALL THIS MONEY AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO SEND WATER OUT THERE, AND THEN THEY BEGAN LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS.
SO WE WERE LIKE, OKAY, WELL LET'S EASE THE MIND OF THE COUNTY THAT WE'RE, WE DIDN'T JUST PUT THIS REDUNDANT WATER LINE IN FOR NOTHING THAT WE STILL HAVE WATER TO PROVIDE 'EM.
WELL, WHEN MCKAY SPRINGS WAS ACTUALLY PURCHASED IN THE 1990S, I BELIEVE IT WAS 97, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, BUT IT WAS IN THE 1990S.
I, IT AT THAT TIME, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT COUNSEL AT THAT TIME, IT WAS IN CASE IT WAS IN A, IT WAS A JUST IN CASE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I I THERE'S A LOT OF WATER THAT GOES TO THE CORRIDOR.
DO I, HOW MANY DO, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY? IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF G THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, LIKE, I'M NOT EVEN SURE IT, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE, UNLESS I'M MISINTERPRETING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF WATER TO, TO, IT WOULD TAKE A LOT FROM A CASE SPRINGS TO BE ABLE TO, TO PROVIDE ENOUGH WATER TO THE WHOLE CORRIDOR.
AM I WRONG, JOE? I MEAN, SO YEAH, GO AHEAD JOSH.
UM, YEAH, SO I KNOW WHAT MY, MY THOUGHT IS ON THIS EVALUATION OF MCKAY SPRINGS IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT AS BEING A POTENTIAL WATER SOURCE AND IT IS STILL A POTENTIAL WATER SOURCE.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT PROPOSAL THAT CHA HAS PROVIDED US FOR THE EXPLORATION OF MCKAY SPRINGS, I THINK IT'S A NECESSARY STEP FOR US TO LEAST PROCEED DOWN BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT AS A WATER SOURCE, BUT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW THE VIABILITY OF IT UNTIL WE GET THIS STUDY DONE.
AND SO, UM, I KNOW STEVE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE TO ADDRESS THE WATER, BUT I STILL BELIEVE THAT IF WE TRULY WANT TO IDENTIFY THIS AS A POTENTIAL WATER SOURCE, WE NEED TO TAKE THIS NEXT STEP TO DO THESE WELL, UH, EVALUATIONS AND SEE IF IT'S FEASIBLE.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
I THOUGHT THE QUESTION WAS WHAT WE EXPECTED OUT OF IT, BUT AT THIS POINT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT OUT OF IT BECAUSE WE HAVE NO, UM, FACTUAL INFORMATION TO BACK IT UP.
I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN DEBATES ON WHETHER THE WATER IS EVEN, YOU KNOW, ABLE TO BE USED BASED ON, THERE'S A WEBSITE FOR MCKAY SPRINGS THAT THE FAMILY HAS STILL UP AND RUNNING.
UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, STEP ONE IS VIABILITY.
MY, SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S STILL 700,000 GALLONS PER DAY SURFACE.
SO I REMEMBER THAT WAS ESTABLISHED A LONG TIME AGO, SO WE WERE ONLY LOOKING AT 70,000 GALLONS A DAY JUST FROM THE SURFACE.
SO DRILLING ONE WELL WOULD, WOULD GET US 80,000 GALLONS PER DAY UP TOO, RIGHT? YEAH.
IF IT'S A HUNDRED GALLONS A MINUTE, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT WHAT YEAH, IT WOULD HAVE, I MEAN, TO BE FEASIBLE, I WOULD GUESS.
SO THERE, THERE, IN THERE, IN AND OF ITSELF, YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, OKAY, THERE'S 10,000 GALLONS DIFFERENT PER DAY BETWEEN A WELL AND A SURFACE POLE.
SO IN ORDER TO EVEN MAKE IT FEASIBLE OR MAY EVEN MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, TO ME OR AROUND THE GATE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL TO DRILL MULTIPLE WELLS.
IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE MULTIPLE WELLS.
SO I WAS GONNA SAY THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
SO UNLESS YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU'RE, UNLESS YOU'RE DEALING MORE THAN ONE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, BUT AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW THE UNTIL YOU ALL, UNTIL, UNTIL YOU SEE IT, YOU KNOW, YOU, I WOULD THINK THAT IF ANYTHING MORE THAN A WELL OR TWO IN THERE, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE DRAWN FROM THE SAME SOURCE, LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER.
I'M GLAD YOU POINTED THAT OUT THOUGH.
A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T THINK OF IT THAT WAY.
BUT KEEP IN MIND, FROM THE SURFACE WATER STANDPOINT AS WELL, YOU'RE GONNA PAY A LOT MORE.
SO, WELL, YOU CAN HIT IT WITH SOME CHLORINE, SEND IT INTO THE SYSTEM.
IF IT'S SURFACE WATER, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT A MINIMUM A MEMBRANE SYSTEM IN TO TREAT THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I PERSONALLY, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WOULD JUST NEVER, NEVER MEAN FEASIBLE.
STEVIE, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DIDN'T, THAT WASN'T A TYPE OF, UM, I'M LIKE, AMBER, I THOUGHT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING, YOU WERE SAYING, YOU WERE WONDERING WHAT THIS COUNCIL'S LIKE, NOT DIRECTION, BUT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
AND I, AND THAT'S WHERE I GOT CONFUSED.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING, ARE WE LOOKING FOR THIS TO, TO PROVIDE WATER TO THE CORRIDOR? ARE WE LOOKING FOR THIS AS AN ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCE? AND THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHY I STARTED OFF WITH THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH WATER THERE TO PROVIDE TO THE CORRIDOR.
BUT IS COUNSEL, THE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE, WE'RE
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THINKING ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCE.SO THIS WOULD BE NOT DEDICATED TO ANYTHING.
THIS WOULD CONNECT INTO OUR WATER SYSTEM AND BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY SORT.
IT WOULD JUST BE TO SUPPLEMENT WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
I DON'T, I DON'T GET THE EAR OF COUNCIL VERY MUCH.
SO JUST FOR ME TO HAVE A HOLISTIC UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO AT THE END, THAT WAS REALLY THE REASON FOR THAT QUESTION.
NO, I'M GLAD, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED IT BECAUSE, UM, I THINK IT'LL CHANGE WHAT I DO IMMEDIATELY TO JUST DETERMINE THE VIABILITY.
BUT IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET RIGHT TO AT THE END JUST HELPS ME TO FORMULATE MY PLAN A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
AND IT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION TO HAVE BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THE GAMUT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, HE'S GOT HIS HANDOUT.
I WAS GONNA SAY, STEVIE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE DO SURFACE WATER, WE'D HAVE TO DO A WHOLE WITHDRAWAL PERMIT JUST LIKE FOR THE RIVER.
WHICH IS A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE TOO.
AND PROBABLY TWO YEARS AT, AT, AT THE LEASE.
I'VE ALWAYS HEARD THAT THE SURF LIKE THAT, IF YOU'RE GETTING FROM THE SURFACE WATER, IT'S WAY MORE EXPENSIVE.
'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO PUT A WATER TREATMENT PLANT THERE, CORRECT.
SO THE PERMITTING AND THE FEES AND THE, UM, YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, THE RIVER ONE TOOK US ALMOST TWO YEARS LAST TIME ALREADY.
IT NEEDS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT VOLUME OF WATER TO JUSTIFY A SURFACE WATER PERMIT ACTIVITY.
THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT FOR ABSOLUTELY.
FOR ME AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT DIDN'T KNOW.
SO THE ONLY CONSENSUS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM COUNSEL TONIGHT IS THAT WE STILL WANT TO PURSUE HAVING THE VIABILITY EVALUATED TO SEE THE NEXT STEPS, RIGHT ON THE MCKAY SPRINGS, SHE'S GONNA MENTION SOMETHING ELSE.
SO I WANTED TO KIND OF PUT INTO Y'ALL'S PURVIEW.
SO IF I'M DOING MY JOB AS YOUR CONSULTANT, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE ANY STONES UNTURNED, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE POTENTIAL OPTIONS.
SO THIS NEXT ONE, IF IT DOESN'T GET LEGS, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OKAY, BUT I HAVE TO PUT IT OUT THERE JUST SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.
WE CAN SHUT THAT DOOR BEHIND US AND I WILL GLAZE INTO THE, INTO THE ACTIVITY THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, HAVE DIRECTED ME TO DO.
SO AN ALTERNATIVE SOURCE, YOU CAN LOOK THE, AT THE AERIAL AND SEE THESE BIG BODIES OF BEAUTIFUL WATER CENTRALLY LOCATED IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
THEY ARE NOT TREATED AS SURFACE WATER BY DEQ.
SO WHAT THAT DOES IS REALLY OPEN UP THE OPTION, LEMME TAKE THAT BACK.
THEY ARE NOT TREATED BY LIKE SURFACE WATER FOR PERMITTING FOR TREATMENT.
THEY DO, BUT FOR WITHDRAWAL, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GET A WITHDRAWAL PERMIT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PULL WATER OUT OF A QUARRY AND TREAT IT AT A PLANT, WHICH TAKES ALL THE PERMITTING OFF THE TABLE.
IT TAKES THE LENGTHY PERMIT PROCESS OFF THE TABLE.
IF YOU WERE TO ASK FOR A PERMIT ON THE SHENANDOAH RIVER RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A GAMUT OF THINGS FOR DQ TO APPROVE THAT.
YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOU'RE GONNA USE THE WATER.
YOU CAN ONLY GET APPROVED FOR THE AMOUNT THAT YOU CAN SHOW THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA USE.
IN THE PAST, IF YOU WANTED TO GET A 6 MILLION GALLON A DAY WITHDRAWAL PERMIT AND YOU ONLY USE A MILLION GALLONS A DAY, THAT'S OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT FOR YOU.
AND YOU CAN SIT ON THAT OTHER FIVE UNTIL THE END OF TIME.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY AS WATER BECOMES MORE VALUABLE, THEY HAVE STARTED FORCING PEOPLE TO PROVE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA USE THAT WATER BEFORE THEY'LL EVEN GIVE YOU THAT WITHDRAWAL PERMIT WITH THE QUARRY, THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN.
IT IS TREATED AS SURFACE WATER FOR TREATMENT, BUT THE WATER DOES NOT, IT DOES NOT GET TURBID, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO USE MEMBRANE TECHNOLOGY, WHICH DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE MANNED.
YOU CAN OPERATE THAT REMOTELY.
AND SO STAFFING IS, IS MUCH MORE REASONABLE.
THE ONLY REASON I PUT THIS OUT THERE IS IF YOU TRULY WANTED TO GET A SIGNIFICANTLY ROBUST ALTERNATIVE SOURCE, THIS IS THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD DO THAT.
WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT HOW MUCH YOUR WELLS WILL PRODUCE, AND THAT MAY BE MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN WE THINK.
BUT THIS BODY OF WATER, YOU CAN DRAW AS MUCH AS YOU CAN PULL OUT OF IT WITHOUT DROPPING THE LEVEL.
AND WE WOULD INVESTIGATE WHAT KIND OF PRESSURE YOU WOULD PUT ON IT.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD EVEN START UNLESS MORE INFORMATION WAS UNDERSTOOD ABOUT WHO OWNS THAT AND WHAT WOULD THE COST BE TO ACCESS THAT BODY
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OF WATER.THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER PIECE THAT WOULD HAVE TO OCCUR BEFORE THIS WOULD EVEN BE TOUCHED BY, BY MY EXPERTISE.
SO I, I FELT LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO COME BACK LATER AND HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE COMMUNITY OR COUNCIL SAY, WHY DIDN'T OUR ENGINEER OFFER THIS UP? FREDERICK IS DOING THIS RIGHT NOW.
THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE WITH THEIR DESIGN AND AND CONSTRUCTION, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY FOUND TO BE THE BEST OPTION FOR THEM.
SO IT, IT IS HAPPENING IN THE AREA WHERE THESE BODIES OF WATER ARE, ARE AVAILABLE.
AND FOR THE REASONS THAT I MENTIONED JUST NOW.
SO THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO EVEN MUDDY THE WATER RIGHT NOW, NO PUN INTENDED.
I'M JUST, I AM, UH, WANTING TO MAKE SURE AS YOUR ENGINEER, I AM BRINGING ALL OF THE THINGS I BELIEVE ARE IMPORTANT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON FOR THIS SLIDE.
I, I DON'T, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE AT THIS TABLE IS I'M IN NO WAY AN EXPERT ON WATER.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU USE THOSE WORDS.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT? IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU, I THINK THE CORRECT COURSE OF ACTION IS THE ONE THAT YOU ARE, ARE TAKING NOW.
OKAY? YOU OWN THE PROPERTY THAT THE SPRING IS ON.
THERE IS NO VIOLATING FOR HOW MUCH YOU SHOULD PAY THIS.
I CAN WALK ON THAT PROPERTY TOMORROW AND DO EVERYTHING THAT I NEED TO DO TO TELL YOU WHETHER THAT SOURCE IS VIABLE AND GET YOU A NUMBER THAT SAYS, LIKE IT OR NOT, THIS IS AS MUCH AS YOU'RE GONNA GET OFF OF THIS SITE.
THEN THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION IS IN YOUR TOOLBOX, AND AT LEAST YOU HAVE REAL NUMBERS WHEN YOU DISCUSS THIS IN THE FUTURE.
THEN IF THAT ISN'T ROBUST ENOUGH AND IT IS NOT HITTING THE MARK, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NEXT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.
AND I MEAN, IT COULD BE THIS, I, I TALKED TO MY PERMITTING FOLKS TO GET THE, THE INTAKE PERMIT.
AND AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO UPGRADE THE SCREENS AT THE EXISTING INTAKE.
AND AT THAT TIME YOU COULD ASK FOR ADDITIONAL FLOW TO BE PULLED OUT OF THE RIVER.
BUT THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTIONS.
IF THE DROUGHT SITUATION IS WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO ABATE, THEN DOES INCREASING YOUR WITHDRAWAL PERMIT IN THAT BODY OF WATER REALLY DO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO? AND THAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, IS NO.
IF WHEN THAT DROUGHT CONDITION COMES THE ADDITIONAL FLOW YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN, YOU CAN'T EVEN ACCESS IT.
SO LET'S, LET'S THINK ABOUT HOW, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE FOR THE CITIZENS AND THE BUSINESSES HERE, AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
JOE, YOU HAD, I JUST WANTED, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BRING THIS UP.
'CAUSE I THINK, UH, POSITION STAFF IS, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND SEE WHAT OUR NEXT STEP IS ON THIS.
'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO EXPLORE AS WELL.
I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE UPFRONT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL.
THAT WE'RE NOT JUST FOCUSED IN ONE AREA, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE QUARRY IN ITSELF.
I DO KNOW I DO HAVE SOME HISTORY IN MY FIRST TENURE, SO, UM, SO MAYBE WE CAN CONNECT THE DOTS, BUT, UM, MORE OR LESS I DO WANT PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MCKAY SPRINGS AND I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF GET THIS OUT THE FOREFRONT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH INTEREST IN COUNCIL TO AT LEAST START EXPLORING THAT OPTION AS WELL.
SO MY OPINION WOULD BE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT MCKAY SPRINGS UP WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL YEARS AGO, UM, AND I WANTED TO PRESERVE MCKAY SPRINGS.
I DIDN'T WANNA SEE IT TAPPED FOR THE USE OF THE TOWN.
I FELT THAT THAT HAD SOME REPERCUSSIONS THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REEL BACK IN.
AND I HAD BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE MCKAY FAMILY AND SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE HELPING WITH THE PRESERVATION OF THAT.
I WANTED TO SEE IT BE USED FOR SOMETHING RECREATIONAL.
SOMEBODY INDEPENDENTLY PURCHASED IT.
SO MY THOUGHT AND OPINION ON THIS WOULD BE THAT WE CONTINUE TO PURSUE BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY AND IF ANYTHING, THE VIABILITY OF MCKAY SPRINGS, NOT FOR OUR OWN USE, BUT WOULD BE FOR THE VALUE.
IF WE WANTED TO PARTNER OR HAVE FRIDA WORK WITH SOMEBODY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES OF MCKAY SPRINGS, THAT WOULD NOT BE SUCH A STRAIN STRAIN ON MCKAY SPRINGS, HOWEVER, USE A PORTION OF THE VIABLE WATER WITHOUT ABUSING IT AND THEN HAVE TO QUARRY AS SOMETHING TO SAY, OKAY, THE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY.
FROM MY TIME THAT I SAT ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, WE WERE BASICALLY TOLD FOR FREDERICK COUNTY, CLARK COUNTY, SHENANDOAH COUNTY, IT WE'RE NEVER COMING TO WARREN COUNTY.
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THOUGH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT THAT TIME, WHICH WAS A DIFFERENT BOARD, WE'RE PURSUING IT VERY HARD.IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE TO RUN THE WATER LINES PAST, UM, DINOSAUR LAND.
DINOSAUR LAND IN THE 5 22 CORRIDOR.
SO, UM, I WOULD LOVE THE IDEA OF EXPLORING BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY AND THEN WE NOT ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE A CASE SPRINGS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USE OF THE TOWN OF ROYAL.
THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A CAR, CAR SPRING STUDY DONE SOME YEARS AGO.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION THAT, THAT OCCURRED OUT, OUT IN THAT CORRIDOR AREA, UH, HAD COMPROMISED THE QUALITY OF THE WATER, UH, AT SOME POINT, UH, TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT HAD TO BE WATCHED BECAUSE OF, UH, UH, UH, CHEMICALS OR, UH, THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT NOT NECESSARILY DANGEROUS, BUT NEED TO BE CLEANED OUT.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE, WELL, THE WELLS YOU'RE GOING DOWN, UH, BELOW THE SURFACE, WOULD YOU HAVE BETTER RESULTS OF THE QUALITY OF THE WATER AT THAT POINT WITH, TO DRAW THE DRAW.
SO WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE BELIEVE WE'RE DEEP ENOUGH AND WE GOT THE YIELD THAT WE WANT, WE WILL TAKE SAMPLES OF THAT AT THAT POINT.
AND I'LL DO A 12 TO 15 PANEL EVALUATION OF EVERY ELEMENT THAT ANYBODY WOULD CONSIDER IMPORTANT TO TELL YOU THE QUALITY OF THAT WATER IS THERE.
IS THERE ALSO LIKE A, A, UH, HYDROLOGY STUDY OF THE AREA, UH, THROUGH MAPPING? DID IT FIND OTHER WATER SOURCES? WE, WE'VE DONE, WE CALL IT A DESKTOP HYDRO GEOLOGIC REPORT.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD MAPS AND DATA OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO SOME DESKTOP EVALUATIONS WITH THEIR GEOLOGISTS AND NOT SPEND A TON OF MONEY AND SAY, HEY, THIS REGION GENERALLY LOOKS LIKE THE BEST AREA OUT OF THIS ENTIRE TOWN.
AND SO IF WE WANTED TO EXPAND THIS TO, TO OTHER PARTS OF THE TOWN, THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE DONE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WANNA BITE OFF ALL AT ONCE, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU WANT ME TO FOCUS ON THIS ONE FIRST AND LET'S SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN DO AS MUCH AS, AS THE TOWN HAS AN APPETITE FOR.
THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT BROUGHT THAT UP IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MUNICIPALITY THAT ARE DRAWING FROM THE SHE DOOR AND, UH, UH, IT WE'RE SORT OF IN A SITUATION HERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA OUT THAT WAY, THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM IF YOU GO TO DOWN AROUND, UH, FREDERICKSBURG, THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE THE, THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING.
UH, SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I I I BRING THAT UP.
THERE'S, THERE ARE MORE SMALL TOWNS IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA THAT ARE LANDLOCKED FROM SURFACE WATER THAN, THAN, THAN YOU WOULD THINK.
SO THERE ARE SEVERAL VERY WELL KNOWN TOWNS THAT THEY DEPEND ON WELLS FOR THEIR WATER PERIOD.
AND SO I'M JUST THINKING OF LIKE PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY, THEY DRAW FROM RIGHT, THE AQUAN AND THEY DRAW FROM, UH, THE NA CITY AS A, A, A LAKE, UH, THAT THEY DRAW FROM THERE.
BUT CERTAIN AREAS DIRECTLY NORTH OF HERE, THEY ALSO ARE TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE AUTHORITY TO, FOR THAT, FOR THEM TO BE ATTRACTIVE.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE TOO FAR TO GET THE BIG AUTHORITY WATER AT A DISCOUNT.
SO THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE WELLS.
SO WELLS ARE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RELIABLE.
JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF OUR RISK TIED UP INTO A SINGLE SOURCE.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE IN A GREAT SPOT BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD SOURCE.
YOU'RE ONLY UTILIZING ABOUT HALF OF WHAT YOU WERE PERMITTED TO PULL OUTTA THAT RIVER.
SO I THINK IF WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT WHEN DROUGHT
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TIMES ARE UNUSUAL, THEN THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THIS, WE CAN, EVEN IF WE EVALUATE THE QUARRIES, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WE DO EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO DO TO TEE UP MAKING THAT DECISION.AND THEN MAYBE NOT NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO SPEND THE BIG DOLLARS, BUT YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO BE, BE PLANNING OR KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU DECIDE TO PULL THAT TRIGGER AND HOW MUCH TIME GOES BY FROM THE TIME THAT YOU SAY YES UNTIL IT'S ACTUALLY FULLY BUILT OUT AND READY TO PUSH WATER INTO THE SYSTEM.
IF YOU HAVE THOSE PLANS IN FRONT OF YOU, THEN YOU'RE IN THE BEST POSITION TO MAKE DECISIONS THEN, WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION NOW.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS I NEED TO ARM YOU WITH THE INFORMATION YOU NEED SO THAT YOU CAN PLAN AND MAKE DECISIONS APPROPRIATELY.
AND EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION I PROVIDE IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU GOT RIGHT NOW.
I JUST WANNA SAY TOO, SO I, I HAVE BEEN SERVING COUNCIL FOR THREE YEARS, STARTING IN 2020, AND OBVIOUSLY MAYOR SINCE JANUARY OF, UH, 23.
AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WATER.
LIKE I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE THAT SAY WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AND MCKAY SPRINGS CAME UP EARLY ON IN THIS, BUT SOME OF IT CAME UP BECAUSE THE COUNTY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THEY, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, MORE INDUSTRY COMING INTO THE CORRIDOR AND SAY WORRIED ABOUT WATER, RIGHT? BUT, BUT THERE WASN'T THAT, UM, THERE WASN'T THAT PUSH OR RUSH LAST SUMMER AS, AS, UH, COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS SAID LAST SUMMER WAS THE FIRST TIME IN THE, UH, WE ALL SAID THE HISTORY OF THE TOWN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT, UM, THAT WE GOT INTO THE TYPE OF CON WATER CONSERVATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, THAT WE WERE, WE WERE IN EMERGENCY WATER CONSERVATION AND THAT NEVER HAPPENED, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND SO THAT IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED PEOPLE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THIS SUMMER WE ENDED UP IN CONSERVATION SOONER THAN WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, EVEN THOUGH LAST WEEK WAS A HORRIBLE STORM.
UM, IT, WE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUT OF, UM, OUT OF MANDATORY WATER RESTRICTIONS.
SO, UM, BUT IT STARTED MAKING PEOPLE THINK EVEN MORE ABOUT THIS.
SO I FOUND WHAT YOU JUST SAID, EXTREMELY VALUABLE ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION, YOU, AS YOU CALLED IT, TEEING IT UP SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT IF WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
THREE YEARS AGO, NOBODY WAS, NOBODY WAS AS CONCERNED AS WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN.
AND THE THOUGHT OF SPENDING A TON OF MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WERE GOING TO NEED WAS WHY PEOPLE WEREN'T REALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
I THINK THE LAST TWO SUMMERS, UM, IT'S PUT MORE OF A SPOTLIGHT ON OUR WATER SITUATION AND THE WHAT IFS.
SO I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED LIKE, LET'S, LET'S GET THE INFORMATION AND THEN AT THAT POINT YOU CAN DECIDE, DO YOU WANNA SPEND BIG BUCKS? DO YOU, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE DO YOU WANNA OR WHERE, WHAT'S NEEDED? AND, AND AT LEAST YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION RIGHT NOW, OVER THE LAST YEAR WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MCKAY SPRINGS, BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN THIS, LIKE, IT WAS JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT NOT REALLY.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, HONESTLY, EVEN TONIGHT I LEARNED STUFF I DIDN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST YEAR.
SO, SO COUNSEL, I I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE BUDGET FUNDING FOR THIS, WE HAD ALREADY PUT IN OUR BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR.
WE HAD ALREADY SET ASIDE IN THE BUDGET, UM, $30,000 FOR A STUDY LIKE THIS.
AND THE PROPOSAL, UM, FROM CHA IS 40 TO FIVE, SO THAT'S 12,500 MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED FOR IT.
SO COUNCIL NEEDS JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M NOT, I DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE A TON OF MONEY, BUT I JUST THINK ABOUT LAST WEEK THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS ON THERE THAT WE, THAT IT LOOKED LIKE WE SPENT LESS THAN WHAT WE BUDGETED.
AND I THINK IT MIGHT, IT MADE UP FOR THAT 12 FIVE, RIGHT? SO IT'S 12 THREE ACCORDING TO OUR AGENDA.
YES, WE CAN, WE CAN ALLOCATE IT.
SO, SO IF WE JUST, OBVIOUSLY IF WE WANNA GO FORWARD WITH THIS, THE EXTRA 12 FIVE IS NOT, IT SHOULDN'T BE A STONE BLOCK IS ALL I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
SO IF IS EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND COUNCILMAN WOOD ASK A QUESTION.
UH, THE QUESTION I HAD WAS, UH, THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU HAVE HERE AT 42 5, AS I READ THROUGH THE MATERIAL, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE DRILLING THE TEST WELDS OR DOES IT DOES NOT INCLUDE DRILLING THE
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TEST WELDS.SO I WOULD COME BACK WITH WHAT WE THINK ARE APPROPRIATE DEPTHS BASED ON THE RESISTIVITY TESTING ALONG WITH PRICING FROM MULTIPLE DRILLERS AND REVISIT COUNSEL AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE IS GONNA BE THE GENERAL COST OF DRILLING AND SAMPLING THOSE, THOSE TEST WELLS.
AND JOE, GO AHEAD STEVE, QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE GET TO THAT TEST WALL, YOUR ANALYSIS WILL TELL US IF WE SHOULD VENTURE THAT WAY, RIGHT? YES.
IF, IF WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S GONNA PRODUCE FRUIT, THEN I'M, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN STANDING IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AND TELLING YOU THAT WE DRILLED A DRY HOLE MAYBE WHEN I WAS 26.
I DUNNO,
IT SAYS THAT THEY WOULD COMPLETE THE EVALUATION AND DRAFT REPORT WITHIN 60 DAYS OF AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED.
SO MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE WHAT I SEE, WHAT THAT EVALUATION AND DRAFT REPORT INCLUDES, BUT IT'S JUST WHETHER WE SHOULD EVEN DRILL A TEST WELL OR NOT, WE'LL KNOW WITHIN 60 DAYS OF THEIR AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED AFTER TONIGHT, CORRECT? YEAH, I, YEAH, I'M ALL FOR THIS.
UM, THE PROPOSAL ACTUALLY IS 42 3, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
WHY SAID IT WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET AGENDA ITEM, UM, MINOR CHANGE.
BUT THIS IS THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT REALLY FRUSTRATES ME WHEN WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BUDGETS AND PEOPLE THINKING THAT $50,000 ISN'T A LOT OF MONEY.
I'VE HEARD SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS OVER MY TENURE SAY THAT $50,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY AND IT CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUSTAINABILITY FOR OUR TOWN AND NOT.
SO I, UM, KNOW THAT IT'S A BURDEN TO BJ, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO ANOTHER REMINDER THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME FORWARD, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR THINGS OF THE TOWN, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT TO THEM, WHICH $50,000 IS A LOT TO ME.
I WAS RAISED DIFFERENT, I GUESS, BUT I THINK 12,300 OVER WHAT WE BUDGETED IS ABSOLUTELY WORTH IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT TYPE OF THINGS WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON AS A COUNCIL.
THAT'S THE JOB OF COUNCIL TO KEEP THE TOILETS FLUSHING THE WATER RUNNING AND THE LIGHTS ON.
I HAVE A QUESTION THAT IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT THIS.
I IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY BACK TO THAT PAGE, IT WAS QUESTIONED.
I'VE HEARD PEOPLE BE SAYING THAT AND, AND HONESTLY I HEARD THIS YEARS AGO TOO, BUT I KEEP HEARING IT TOO.
PEOPLE SAYING THAT, THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE NEAR HOMES OR WELLS THAT ARE NEAR MCKAY SPRINGS, THAT WE WOULD TAP IF WE WERE TO TAP INTO THIS, THAT IT WOULD AFFECT THEIR WELLS NEGATIVELY IMPACT THEIR WELLS.
IS THAT A YES OR NO ANSWER OR IS THAT A IT DEPENDS KIND OF ANSWER.
DO YOU I I JUST KNOW, I MEAN, HONESTLY, I'LL TELL YOU, MY UNCLE WHO OWNS FARM RELIANCE ROAD, AND HE'S BEEN GONE NOW FOR 10 YEARS, I CAN REMEMBER WHEN ALL THE DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING ON OUT THERE.
HE SWORE THAT HIS WELL WAS NOT PRODUCING LIKE IT WAS BEFORE THE ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THINGS WERE IS THAT TRUE? IT IS ABSOLUTELY A POSSIBILITY.
AND SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR, OKAY.
WHEN WE DO THIS, OKAY, NO DIFFERENT THAN IF WE DREW MULTIPLE WELLS ON THAT SAME SITE, YOU WOULD MONITOR A WELL WHILE YOU'RE DRAWING OUT OF THE, THE ADJACENT.
AND IF IT DROPS WHEN YOU'RE PULLING OUTTA THAT, WELL THEN YOU ARE IN THE SAME AQUIFER.
THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IF THE PEOPLE ALONG THE RELIANCE ROAD AND IN THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, IF THEY ARE IN FACT TAPPED INTO THE SAME AQUIFER, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW THAT YEAH.
AND DECISIONS BY COUNSEL WOULD BE MADE APPROPRIATELY AND YOUR WORK WOULD DETERMINE THAT WE WILL DO AT THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT AQUIFER IS GONNA BE IMPACTED.
BY, WELL, ON A CASE BREAK, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE, THE QUARRY OPTION AS WELL.
UM, AND, UH, UH, I, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU PUT A PREMIUM ON ON WATER? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UH, OUR BODY'S MADE UP IN 90% ON IT, RIGHT? SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PUT A PRICE ON YEAH, I WOULD NOT, NOT TAKING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO LOOK AT THIS AND I'M DOING PLANNING LIKE THIS IN A LOT OF PLACES, AND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS WHAT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE ELSE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR OPTIONS READY TO GO.
NOT, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S NOT A DROUGHT.
LET'S SAY A, A SERVER CENTER DECIDES IT WANTS TO LOCATE ON THE 5 22 CORRIDOR ANYWHERE THAT COULD BE SERVED BY THE TOWN.
HOW QUICKLY ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO COME UP WITH OPTIONS THAT WOULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN? AND IF YOU HAVEN'T STARTED ANYTHING, THEY'RE
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GONNA GO TO NORTH CAROLINA WHERE THERE'S A SITE THAT ALREADY HAS A PLAN, THEY'RE GONE.SO IF YOU ALREADY HAVE A PLAN TEED UP THAT SAYS, WE CAN USE A QUARRY, IT'S GONNA BE $10 MILLION.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE MONEY ASK IS WHEN YOU ENTER THOSE NEGOTIATION MEETINGS WITH THE SERVER FOLKS, THE COUNTY, YOU GOT YOUR STUFF READY INSTEAD OF CALLING ME AND SAYING, CAN YOU GET THIS READY IN A WEEK? NO, I CAN'T.
LET'S DO IT RIGHT WHEN WE GOT TIME.
SO THE INFORMATION'S READY WHEN YOU DO HAVE TO MAKE A QUICK DECISION.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING IN OTHER LOCALITIES.
AND IT'S JUST BEING RESPONSIBLE.
WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I KNOW MYSELF, I I, I WASN'T EVEN AWARE THAT THE COURT WOULD BE AN OPTION.
I I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THE EXACT OPPOSITE, LIKE IT WASN'T EVEN VIABLE.
THEY EVEN, THEY EVEN TRY, YOU KNOW? SO I'VE HEARD THE SAME THING, JOSH, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN WRITING, BUT I HAD HEARD IT FROM HIM.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY POINT.
I WAS LIKE, IT WAS ALWAYS SAYING, OH, SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOBODY IN HERE IN THIS ROOM AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED WAS EVER HERE, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS SOMEBODY IN THE PAST THAT SAID, OH, THAT WAS LOOKED AT INTO, LOOKED AT, INTO YEARS AGO.
YOU KNOW, I KIND OF TOOK THEIR WORD FOR IT.
SO I WAS LIKE, OKAY, MAYBE, MAYBE THEY'RE RIGHT.
BUT FREDERICK'S DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
FREDRICK'S DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
SO SAYING THAT'S, AND SAME THING WITH MY UNCLE, LIKE WHEN MY UNCLE WAS SAYING THAT I CAN REMEMBER A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WERE POO-POOING HIM AND I'M, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THIS
HE WAS THE SMARTEST I THOUGHT WAS
I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH, AND THIS KIND OF ECHOS WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL
I WILL NEVER BE IN FAVOR OF TAPPING AT SPRING FOR ANYTHING.
IF IT'S GONNA BE FOR BUILDING A BIG, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF MAJOR DON'T LIKE IT, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THAT.
NO, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF PRESERVING IT AS WELL.
AND LIKE I SAID, SHE, I SAID THIS A LONG TIME AGO AS WELL.
LIKE I, I, I'D BE MORE INTERESTED IN WHATEVER, IF IT COULD BE USED HAVING IT USED FOR, YOU KNOW, RECREATIONAL USE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT CAN'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, AFTER ALL THIS TAKES PLACE.
SO AGAIN, IN THAT CASE, I'M OKAY WITH THIS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS RIGHT NOW ARE TOTALLY CONFIDENT WITH THIS.
SO I DON'T LOOK FOR THEM TO SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT, BUT I'M SAYING THERE'S A CONSENSUS HERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
DO WE HAVE TO PUT THIS ON THE AUGUST? WE JUST, WE JUST DO IT.
I JUST, I WANTED JUST TO GET REALLY MORE, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE PULLING THE TRIGGER ON THE MCKAY SPRINGS EXPIRATION AND WANTED TO THROW, THROW THIS CORY THING OUT THERE AS WELL.
I ASSUME THE REASON IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ON AN AGENDA IS BECAUSE THIS WAS ALREADY A PART OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND IT, SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE TOWN STAFF.
UM, THERE IS A BUDGET CYCLE AND A BUDGET SEASON WHERE THESE THINGS TAKE PLACE AND THIS BUDGET ALLEGATION THAT'S SHOWN IN THE FUNDING PORTION OF THE AGENDA GOES TO SHOW THAT FOR AT LEAST A YEAR, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN EXPECTED AND AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE TOWN'S BUSINESS.
SO, CONTRARY TO WHAT SOME MAY SAY, THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR BUDGETING THE FUNDS FOR THIS, THE 12,003 HUNDRED'S, A LOT LESS THAN 42,000.
REALLY, I, I LIKE TO LEARN ANYWAY, THIS WAS A, THIS WAS A LEARNING OPPORTUNITY.
SO I'M, I'M THANK YOU FOR SHARING ALL THIS.
AND I UM, THE TOWN IS TRUST IN MY COMPANY WITH A LOT RIGHT NOW AND WE ARE VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT.
WE DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE REALLY GOOD SERVICE BECAUSE YOU ARE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE TO WORK FOR.
SO I'M PRETTY SURE THEIR COMPANY ALSO TOOK US TO DINNER AT VML LAST YEAR,
DO YOU HAVE COPIES FOR THE OTHER TWO COUNSEL? I GAVE THEM TO JOE.
SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS UM, THE B STAR STUDY UPDATE.
ADAM CAMPBELL'S GONNA BE PRESENTING ON ONLINE.
I WAS GONNA SAY I WAS LOOKING AROUND LIKE I THINK I KNOW EVERYBODY IN HERE AND ADAM IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
UM, BOY, WAS THAT A LONG DOCUMENT THOUGH? I JUST WANNA SAY 54 PAGES.
SO IS HE CALLING IN PRESENTING FROM THERE? OKAY, WE'LL LOOK AT ALL OF THAT THERE.
THIS ONE PUTS ME FAR CONCERN
JOHN AMBER WILL BE JOINING IS, WHAT'D YOU SAY? PUT A MOTLEY CREW THERE.
I DON'T REMEMBER DOING THIS EVER BEFORE WHERE THEY PRESENTED FROM THERE.
MAYBE, MAYBE ACTUALLY THE POLICE CHIEF ACTUALLY DID.
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THIS WAS THE NORMALLY COAT DURING COVID.SEE HOW IT IS THROUGH IT IF I NEED IT.
THESE ARE BAD MEMORIES FOR ME.
I I STARED AT MYSELF MANY ENOUGH TO SCREAM UNFORTUNATELY.
THEN IF HE DOESN'T HOP ON, I CAN TAKE HIM THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION REAL QUICK.
I WAS GONNA SAY WE COULD ALWAYS GO TO THE NEXT THING AND COME BACK TO IT IF YOU WANTED HIM TO BE HERE.
WE COULD PROBABLY, WE COULD RESCHEDULE THIS.
I GUESS IF WE CAN'T GET A HOLD OF ADAM.
UH, THE, THE DI MEETING, THE REQUIREMENT EARLY ON WAS THAT VDOT WANTED US TO PASS THE RESOLUTION SUPPORT FOR THE STARS PROGRAM, BUT THAT'S NO LONGER ADMITTED.
WASN'T SO THIS WAS JUST MORE OF AN UPDATE TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE RESULTS WERE OF THE STUDY.
I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT THOUGH, BUT I COULD CRACK AND WAIT UNTIL HE COMES BACK.
BUT ONE OF WHICH IS IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOT RECOMMENDING A LIGHT NOW AT GUARD HILL ROAD.
AND I'M GONNA REALLY HAVE TO EAT CROW.
'CAUSE I, THERE'S A LADY THAT'S BEEN CALLING TALKING TO ME ABOUT IT FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW.
AND I TOLD HER SIX MONTHS AGO, YOU'RE GOING TO HIT YOUR LANE NOW I'M GONNA SKIP CHURCH.
I DON'T EVEN EXPECT TO GET OUT THAT WAY.
I TURN AROUND AND GO BACK UP AND GO OUT.
I MEAN THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S HOW IT IS.
SO DO WE'LL HAVE TO RESCHEDULE.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL RESCHEDULE THE VOR STUDY UP DATE YET.
ANOTHER THING TO ADD TO FUTURE AGENDA.
UM, SO, UM, THE UPDATE ON THE REQUEST OF AK A PORTION OF AN ALLEY BEHIND 1 25 WEST EIGHT.
MINE JUST GOT AN EMAIL THAT'S NOT ABOUT ADAM CAMPBELL.
SOMEBODY JUST GOT AN EMAIL IN HERE.
SO, UH, TOWN COUNCIL HEAD OF HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY, JULY 22ND FOR THE VACATION OF THE, OF THE ALLEY BEHIND 1 25 WEST EIGHTH STREET CALLED MIKE MCCOOL VACATION.
UH, THERE WERE NO SPEAKERS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
TOWN COUNCIL AT THAT NIGHT APPOINTED A VIEWING COMMITTEE, UH, TO, UM, TO REPORT OF ANY INCONVENIENCE TO THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD RESULT IN THIS DISCONTINUATION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THE VIEWING COMMITTEE NOTED THAT IF THIS VACATION OF THE PORTION OF THE ALLEY WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, SEVERAL EXISTING LANDOWNERS WOULD NO LONGER HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS TO PORTIONS OF THE ALLEY.
SO THE VIEWING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT THE COUNCIL DENY THE APPLICATION DUE TO THE LOSS OF PUBLIC ACCESS BY OTHER LANDOWNERS.
AS YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE JUNE WORK SESSION, THERE WAS MY CONCERN OF THE AREA WEST OF THAT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN LANDLOCKED WITH, UH, NO ACCESS FOR EVEN THE TOWN TO ACCESS THAT EASEMENT.
UH, IS WHY WE SENT 23 REGISTERED LETTERS TO ALL THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ADJOINED THAT ALLEYWAY AS WELL AS THE ALLEYWAY BEHIND VIRGINIA AVENUE.
UH, OUT OF THOSE 23 REGISTERED LETTERS, I WAS CONTACTED BY ONE RESIDENT THAT NEVER RETURNED MY CALL AFTER I RETURNED THEIR CALL.
SO BEYOND THAT, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY, UM, CONTACT WITH ANY LANDOWNERS IN THAT AREA.
'CAUSE OUR, OUR DISCUSSION WAS, WAS THIS VERY ISSUE, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID RIGHT.
AND THE THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT REALLY THE ONLY WAY IT WOULD BE TO, TO VACATE EVERY, THE WHOLE PARCEL, LIKE THE WHOLE THING IN ORDER FOR IT TO EVEN BE FEASIBLE.
SO, WHICH ONLY ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS CAN PURCHASE.
SO WE WERE LIKE, EVEN IF THEY WOULD PURCHASE IT FOR A DOLLAR OR SOMETHING, NOT TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT, BUT IT LAND LOCKS THE REST OF THE ALLEY.
AND THERE ARE SHEDS AND STRUCTURES IN PLACE IN THE ALLEY.
THE MEETING THAT WE HAD, THE WORK SESSION STAFF WENT OVER THEIR CONCERNS.
THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE NEW BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENTS.
IT, THE WHOLE THING NEEDS TO BE VACATED.
WELL I, I WENT OUT AND I WALKED IT YESTERDAY.
IT'S THE WAY IT LOOKS LIKE THE, IT'S COMPLETELY TERMINATED ALREADY.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GET ACCESS TO IT EASILY.
THE GROWTH IS SUCH THAT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, UP NEAR, I THINK IT'S SMILES, DENTISTRY UP THERE ON THAT END, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OVERGROWTH THERE.
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DOWN TO GET DOWN INTO THE ALLEYWAY.AND THEN ON THE OTHER END, IF YOU'RE COMING, IF YOU'RE COMING UP, I THINK FROM EIGHTH STREET, SOME GUY'S GOT A SHED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THEIR ENTRANCEWAY WITH THIS MOTORCYCLE PARKED THERE.
AND THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN GAIN INTEREST THERE.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF NINTH STREET, THERE'S TREE OVERGROWTH, UH, AND YOU GOTTA WALK THROUGH SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY TO GET DOWN THERE.
SO REALLY THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACCESS TO IT ARE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE IN THEIR BACKYARDS.
UH, THE PUBLIC CAN'T EASILY GET ACCESS TO IT AND WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO GET ACCESS TO IT.
YOU KNOW, I, I'M RACKING MY BRAINS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, BUT IF YOU VACATED THAT PORTION OF THE ALLEY BEHIND MCCOOL'S, WE WOULD HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY WE HAD NO ACCESS TO.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BACK THERE, RIGHT? NO, BUT IF I HAD TO ADDRESS A DOWN TREE IN THAT ALLEYWAY, I WOULD HAVE TO TRANSVERSE OVER SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
SO WE ALL WANTED TO VACATE THIS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHO WASN'T AT THAT WORK SESSION.
WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT TO VACATE IT.
NOT TO MAKE, LIKE, IT'S NOT THAT THE TOWN NEEDS TO MAKE MONEY ON VACATING ALLEYS, BUT IT'S A HEALTH AND HUMAN SAFETY HAZARD TO VACATE THE MIDDLE OF A SECTION AND NOT THE OTHER SECTIONS.
LIKE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANTS TO GO HAVE A LEISURELY WALKED ON THIS ALLEY, BUT ONLY ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS CAN BUY IT.
SOMEBODY CAN'T COME IN WITH THAT SECTION AND OFFER TO BUY THE WHOLE THING.
SO EVEN IF IT'S A DOLLAR, BUT THEY MIGHT BE RENTERS OR SOMETHING.
WE NEED TO, I, I HAD THOUGHT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN JUNE, AND THEN OF COURSE WE, THE VIEWING COMMITTEE, I HAD HOPED THAT THE, THE APPLICANT AND, AND EVEN AS THE CITIZENS GOT THE LETTERS ABOUT IT, THAT MAYBE THERE WOULD BE ALMOST LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEM ALL GET TOGETHER AND BE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, THEY'D BE WILLING TO VACATE THIS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ALMOST LIKE, LET'S DO THIS ALL FOR ONE, ONE FOR ALL KIND OF THING.
LIKE LET, LET'S JUST, WE'LL VACATE IT AND, AND AS COUNCILWOMAN MOORE SAID, EVEN IF WE, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T, GAVE THEM A REALLY GOOD DEAL ON IT, UM, BECAUSE AS, AS COUNCILMAN, UH, RAP REPORT SAID, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE TO THAT LAND RIGHT NOW WHERE IT IS, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S NO UTILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WE'RE RESPONSIBLE, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY ONLY THING IS, IS THAT MAYBE IF PEOPLE KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT UNLESS THEY'RE ALL WILLING, UNLESS THEY'RE ALL WILLING TO JOIN IN.
BUT IF, I MEAN, WE CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE PASS OR WE CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE TAKE IT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT COUNCIL DOESN'T, IT'S NOT THAT COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO, UM, TO RESOLVE THIS AND HELP THE APPLICANT OUT OR GIVE THEM ACCESS TO IT, BUT IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT EVERYBODY WE KNEW THERE WERE NO UTILITIES AT THE PUBLIC HEARING WHERE I MADE THE MOTION FOR THE VIEWING COMMITTEE, BUT APPARENTLY, LIKE, I WISH IT WAS UP HERE ON PRESENTATION FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND THE PEOPLE AT HOME TO SEE YOU HAVE A PORTION IN THE MIDDLE THAT YOU'RE GONNA VACATE, BUT YOU CAN'T GET TO THE OTHER SIDE.
GEOGRAPHICALLY, I'M NO EXPERT, BUT IT MAKES ZERO SENSE.
WELL, LIKE JOE SAID, IT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A HUNDRED YEARS TO, I MEAN, BUT, BUT THERE'S THE ONE PROBLEM, LIKE A TREE BEING FALL, FALLING DOWN, THEN IT'S, THEN IT'S A TOWN ISSUE.
IT'S NEVER AN ISSUE UNTIL THERE IS AN ISSUE.
AND THEN IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA FIND OUT REAL QUICK TREE FALLS, OH YEAH, WELL THIS IS ON TOWN PROPERTY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, I, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, IT JUST WORST CASE SCENARIO, I'D LOVE TO GET RID OF THE WHOLE ENTIRE ALLEY.
BUT YEAH, I, I, I'D LIKE TO GET RID OF, I MEAN, PERSONALLY THESE ABANDONED ALLEYS AND STUFF LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, THAT AREN'T BEING USED FOR ACCESS, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I I, THAT'S WHY I WAS, WE CAN'T, CAN'T CAN'T GIVE IT AWAY.
IT'S GOTTA BE, THERE'S GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, VACATE IT AND THEN THEY GOTTA BUY IT AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
SO VACATE IT FIRST AND THEN SOLD TO A BUDDING OWNERS.
AND IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN THE VACATION IS VOID.
BUT IT'S TOWN'S JOB, WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS WHAT THE PLAN IS.
IF YOU GOT NO FEEDBACK, JOE, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
SO DO WE CAN, SO TONIGHT IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE VIEWING COMMITTEE.
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AS AN ACTION ITEM ON, UH, MONDAY, UH, THE 26TH.DO WE HAVE TO PUT IT AS AN ACTION ITEM ON AUGUST 26TH? OR, I'M JUST ASKING IS THERE ANY PO IS THERE A WAY TO LEAVE THIS OPEN FOR A LITTLE WHILE IN AN EFFORT TO HAVE MAYBE SOME OF THE ADJOINING LANDOWNERS LOOK AT IT? OR WAS THERE A DEADLINE? WE HAD TO DO IT WITHIN SO MANY DAYS, THE PROPOSAL IS JUST TO VACATE A PORTION.
I, WE'RE ONLY MAKING, SO EVEN IF WE DENY, EVEN IF WE DENIED IT ON AUGUST 26TH, THEY CAN BRING IT BACK SURE.
I WAS JUST SAYING THAT MAYBE NOT LEAVING IT OPEN.
MAYBE THE OTHERS CATCHING WIND OF IT WERE LIKE, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE WILLING TO PURCHASE.
I'M JUST ON THE PART THAT'S DOWN HERE.
MAYBE THOSE FOLKS WOULD BE RIGHT.
BUT TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S NO APPLICATION IN FRONT OF COUNSEL AT THIS POINT TO DO THAT.
I JUST WAS SAYING THAT TRYING, I WAS JUST TRYING TO KEEP FROM KILLING IT UNTIL, AND GIVING OTHERS, I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING MAYBE THE APPLICANT MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO ANY OF THOSE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS AND BE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS AN OPTION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXTEND YOUR YARD? UH, OR, AND MAY, AND THEY, AND AS BRUCE SAID, IT MIGHT BE THAT THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, I DON'T WANT THE, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD I WANT THAT? WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A MOTORCYCLE IN OR SHED OR WHATEVER IT IS.
WELL, THE NEIGHBOR, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS TOLD ME IT WAS LIKE A, HE WISH HE HAD A CANOE THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE OF THE, THE CONTOUR OF THAT.
AND HE SAID IT WAS LIKE A RIVER RUNNING THROUGH THERE.
SO, UH, IT IS REALLY A TERRIBLE PIECE OF, UH, YEAH, I'D LOVE FOR NOT TO BE THE TOWN, BUT IT, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
WE MEAN, BECAUSE IT BELONGS TO THE TOWN.
WE, THERE'S, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
SO LET'S TAKE IT TO THE AUGUST 26TH.
SO AUGUST 26TH MEETING, WE'LL BE TAKING ACTION ON IT.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS, UM, FIVE A, WHICH IS NEW BUSINESS.
SO COUNSEL IS AWARE THAT, UM, WE WERE REQUESTED TO DISCUSS, UM, A WAY TO RECOGNIZE OUR FORMER MAYOR, JOHN MARLOWE, WHO PASSED AWAY EARLIER THIS SPRING.
UM, AND I, THE REASON WHY IT WASN'T BROUGHT SOONER IS THAT, UM, I WANTED TO GIVE THE FAMILY AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME INPUT TO THIS.
UH, WE RECOGNIZED THE FORMER MAYOR, UH, GEORGE BANKS, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY THE FAMILY THAT BROUGHT FORWARD WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE, UH, BE DONE IN THE TOWN, UM, UH, IN HIS MEMORY, WHICH WAS TO RENAME A STREET.
UM, AND SO I SHARED WITH MR. MARLOWE'S FAMILY, UM, WHAT, WHAT HAD BEEN SUGGESTED THAT, THAT WE MAYBE DO SOMETHING IN THE MAIN STREET GAZEBO AREA TO RECOGNIZE, UH, MR. MARLOW AND IT, AND, UM, THEY HAD A LITTLE BIT OF TIME GETTING TOGETHER AND TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT I JUST, LAST WEEK, I WANNA BELIEVE ON WEDNESDAY, IT WAS, UM, THEY CONTACTED ME AND SAID THAT, UM, THAT YES THEY WOULD, THAT THEY, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, SOMETHING AROUND THE MAIN STREET GAZEBO AREA, IF THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T SOMETHING ELSE THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.
WE WANTED TO RESPECT THEIR WISHES, OBVIOUSLY, UM, BECAUSE, UM, WE, WE HAVE THAT, THAT WAS WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST.
SO, UM, WE WANTED TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL AND ASK LIKE, WHAT ARE YOUR ALL'S THOUGHTS ALONG THOSE LINES, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, HOW WOULD YOU, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN? I THINK COMMEMORATING THE GAZEBO TO MR. MARLOW WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA FOR ALL HE DID FOR THE DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL AND FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY AS A WHOLE.
UH, UH, I THINK THERE WAS SOME MENTION, UH, MAYBE POSSIBLY A RING NAME IN IT, MARLOW PLAZA.
I WAS, I WAS GOING BACK TO LOOK FOR THE EMAIL FROM THE FAMILY, UM, AND THEY SAID, WE THINK THAT DOING SOMETHING IN THE GAZEBO AREA OR WITH THE GAZEBO WOULD BE BEST.
SO, AND THEY SAID, THANK YOU FOR THANKING OF THEIR THAT.
SO, UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PLAZA.
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JUST FEEL LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF I THINK THAT, I THINK OF THAT AREA AS A PLAZA.I, WHEN I THINK OF PLAZA, I THINK OF, UM, ROYAL PLAZA SHOPPING.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE CALL THAT AREA THE VILLAGE COMMONS.
VILLAGE COMMONS IS WHAT I THOUGHT.
SO WE, WE CURRENTLY CALL IT THE VILLAGE COMMONS, WHICH INCLUDES THE GAZEBO, THE PARKING LOT, AND THE PAVILION REALLY THAT I BELIEVE, RIGHT.
CHIEF, THAT WHOLE AREA IS WHAT WE CALL AS THE VILLAGE COMMONS.
SO, UM, WHAT ARE YOU ALL, UM, THOUGHTS, GLEN? YOU HAVE THOUGHTS? I THINK THE WHOLE COMMON AREA, EITHER THE GAZEBO IS A STANDALONE OR THE COMMONS IS THE JOHN MARLOW COMMONS.
WHY CAN'T WE RENAME THE VILLAGE COMMONS OF JOHN MARLOW MEMORIAL COMMONS? THE WHOLE SECTION, OF COURSE.
UM, UM, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THIS COUNCIL WISHES TO DO DOESN'T LIKE THAT WOULD BURDEN ANY BUSINESSES EITHER.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS, OR JUST JOHN.
THE ONLY THING IS A LONG AS A SIGN IS THAT THAT'S A LONG TIME, JOHN.
I LIKE THE IDEA THAT GAZEBO ONLY BECAUSE THAT WAS, THAT WAS HIS, IT'S MY UNDER, LIKE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS HIS, HIS WORK.
THAT WAS HIS, THAT WAS HIS BABY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, THAT'S MY THING.
I LIKE WHAT HE SUGGESTED YOU RIGHT ABOUT THAT TOO.
THAT WAS HIS, YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS, I BELIEVE THAT WAS HIS SUGGESTION.
I EVEN HEARD HIS DAUGHTER TALK ABOUT THAT AT THAT DINNER.
UM, WE WENT TO LAST YEAR WHEN THEY WERE RECOGNIZED AS, UM, UM, WELL HE ALSO HAD THE, UH, THESE EAST, HE SPEARHEADED THE VISITOR CENTER, UH, RENOVATION
UM, I MEAN THIS IS PROBABLY PUTTING EVERYBODY ON THE SPOT TONIGHT.
YOU ALL WANNA TAKE SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT, AND THEN WE COME BACK IN SEPTEMBER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST MAYBE THINK ABOUT, DO WE WANNA DO THE WHOLE AREA? DO WE WANNA JUST DO A GAZEBO? UM, DO WE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE COME BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST TOO, THAT MAYBE JUST TOSS AROUND SOME NAMES, SEND IT AROUND TO EVERYBODY IN EMAILS.
SO EVERYBODY'S LIKE, TRYING IT OUT ON THEMSELVES.
LIKE YOU WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT FLOWS.
AND MY OTHER THING IS THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL USE.
LIKE I, THERE ARE SOME PLACES AROUND THIS TOWN THAT HAVE A NAME.
THERE'S ONE PARTICULAR I CAN THINK OF, UM, THAT, UM, WELL, IT'S ALL SIDE MEMORIAL GARDEN.
LIKE MOST PEOPLE JUST CALL IT BIG CROSS, LIKE YEAH, YEAH.
LIKE, I, I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE START TO USE.
LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT SO AWKWARD TO SAY, BUT THEY GET USED TO SAYING IT AND, AND THAT IT, THAT IT'S EASILY ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT TOO, IN A WAY.
UH, IT'S GOTTA BE SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN BE SEEN.
BECAUSE IF IT'S AN OBSCURE, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME PLAQUES AROUND HERE.
THAT'S A GOOD POINT, LORI, THAT THEY'RE JUST OBSCURE.
YEAH, I DO FOR TUDE BECAUSE, BUT I MEAN, IT, IT'S, THERE'S IN SPOTS WHERE PEOPLE JUST DON'T ALLY ROCK.
ITS, THAT'S WHY I WAS IN FAVOR OF JUST THE GAZEBO INITIALLY, BECAUSE YOU, IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO MAKE A NICE PLAQUE TO HANG ONE GAZEBO COULD SEE IT.
IT SAYS LIKE, MARLOW MEMORIAL GAZEBO.
I, I LIKE THAT BETTER THAN THE FULL NAME, BECAUSE AGAIN, THINKING ABOUT REFERRING THE MARLOW GAZEBO, YEAH.
SO THAT IT KINDA TRICKLES OFF YOUR TONGUE.
AND IT'S NOT LIKE SO WORDY THAT IT, PEOPLE JUST DON'T USE THAT.
SO, UM, SO THE, THE WHOLE AREA IS, IS REALLY, IT IS, IT IS A TOWN PARK.
AM I CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW THAT I CALL IT A TOWN PARK.
IT'S A PARK, IT'S A PUBLIC AREA.
IT'S TOWN LAND THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND HAS, RIGHT WHEN YOU GO UP NORTH, IT'S ACTUALLY, WELL, I WAS, I WAS JUST THROWING OUT, YOU CAN NAME IT.
I JUST THINK WHEN PEOPLE THINK A PARK, THEY DON'T THINK IF YOU, IF YOU THINK IT'S A PARK, BUT IF IT'S NOT A PARK, THEN I'M OKAY WITH THE, THE GAZEBO.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S MORE LIGHT SHED ON IT BEING DRESSED.
AND YOU CAN HONESTLY, HOW MANY PEOPLE REALLY CALL THAT THE VILLAGE COM? I KNEW THAT'S CALL YOU'RE GOING DOWN TO THE GAZEBO.
MIGHT, THEY MAY BE MORE QUICK TO SAY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? I'M GONNA GO DOWN TO THE MARLOW GAZEBO,
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YOU KNOW, AND SO, WELL, WE ALSO HAVE TWO MEMBERS THAT TONIGHT.YOU MIGHT WANT TO BRING IT BACK.
SO WE WILL IN SEPTEMBER, EITHER THE FIRST OR SECOND
MR WELL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE WOULD BE, BUT MAYBE WHEN IT'S WORDED ON THE AGENDA, IT'S TO GATHER SUGGESTIONS FOR, UH, THE NAMING OF THE GAZEBO AND HOW TO INCORPORATE THAT.
THANKS TO Y'ALL FOR BATTING AROUND THOSE IDEAS.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.
AND, AND I REALLY AM GRATEFUL THAT THE FAMILY WEIGHED IN ON THIS 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
AND MAYBE THEY'LL, MAYBE THEY'LL WANNA WEIGH IN ON THIS TOO.
LIKE, SO CHARLIE, SHE
ONE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 8 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL.
MORE SPECIFICALLY F-R-W-C-E-D-A LOAN DEFAULTS.
AND TWO, PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS OR POINT FEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE CLERK OF COUNSEL AND TOWN ATTORNEY.
COUNCILWOMAN DEAMON PAYNE IS ABSENT.