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OKAY.[Planning and Zoning Work Session on August 7, 2024.]
I WILL CALL THIS DIGGING ORDER OF THE ROYAL PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSIONS.UH, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS OF BUSINESS BEFORE THE
UM, FIRST I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE ALAN NEIL, A NEWLY APPOINTED MEMBER OF ROLL CALL.
ROLL CALL BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE.
OKAY, MS. POTTER, CALL THE ROLE PLEASE.
AND I WONDER AND INTRODUCE ALAN NEAL, WHO IS THE NEWEST MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
HE'S A RESIDENT OF FRONT ROYAL.
HE'S A, UH, HAS A PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND AS A SYSTEMS ENGINEER.
SO THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND THE OTHER ITEM OF INTERNAL BUSINESS IS THAT WE NEED TO ACCEPT THE RECOGNIZ RESIGNATION OF, OF PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER MICHAEL WAITS, UH, WHO WAS SENT A LETTER SAYING THAT HE WISHES TO NO LONGER SERVE.
SO, UH, UH, EVEN THOUGH HIS TERM HAS NOT EXPIRED YET, FOR A FEW MORE DAYS, WE WANNA RECOGNIZE AND ACCEPT HIS FUTURE.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? I, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE MOTIONS AT THE WORK SESSION, DO WE? YEAH.
MAY I HAVE A SECOND? YEAH, GO AHEAD,
YEAH, JUST MAKE THE POINT THAT HE MADE IT EFFECTIVE.
AUGUST 31ST, RIGHT? THAT WAS IN HIS LETTER.
HE MADE IT EFFECTIVE AUGUST 31ST.
AND SO WHEN AUGUST 31ST COMMENTS, WE WILL HAVE ACCEPTED HIS RESIGNATION IN ADVANCE.
SO, IS THERE ANY, MR. SONNET, DO WE NEED A MOTION IN A WORK SESSION? UM, YOU COULD JUST, UH, DO A VOICE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO ACCEPTING OKAY.
THE RESIGNATION, AND ARE THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO ACCEPTING MR INFORMATION? THEREFORE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACCEPTS THE RESIGNATION.
AND THANKS MR. WILLIAMS FOR HIS PASS SERVICE.
AND NOW ONTO THE AGENDA, FIND NEW BUSINESS, DISAPPEARED AGAIN.
THE FIRST ITEM IS NUMBER 2 4 0 0 4 2 1.
THE REQUEST FOR PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL FOR A MAJOR SUBDIVISION.
UH, AND I WILL CALL UPON JOHN TO FILL US IN AND TELL US.
UH, SO TONIGHT BEFORE YOU, YOU DO HAVE TWO PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVALS, UH, FOR MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS.
UH, SO STAFF IS TAKING THE TIME FOR A LITTLE BIT OF AVOCATIONAL.
UH, PART OF THE BEGINNING OF THIS, UH, SINCE WE DO HAVE NEW PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS ON, SINCE WE LAST HAD A MAJOR SUBDIVISION, I THINK THE LAST MAJOR SUBDIVISION WE HAD WAS IN 2019.
SO THE PROCEDURES FOR APPROVING THESE PRELIMINARY PLAN AND THE SITE PLAN, UH, STAFF DECIDED TO LAY THIS OUT SO YOU'LL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU ARE APPROVING, WHAT YOU WOULD REVIEW, AND WHAT YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR.
UH, SO FOR MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS WITH TOWN CODE, MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS ARE DEFINED.
THEY NEED TO BE MORE THAN EIGHT LOTS MORE THAN EIGHT LOTS, AND THEY WOULD BE A MAJOR SUBDIVISION IF THEY CREATED ANY NEW PUBLIC STREETS.
THE INSTALLATION OF DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGH ONE OR MORE LOTS OR THE EXTENSION OF PUBLIC WATER OR SEWER.
SO WE'VE HAD SOME MINOR SUBDIVISIONS HERE IN THE PAST ON EXISTING STREETS WHERE, UH, WATER AND SEWER WAS ALREADY AVAILABLE FOR THE MINOR SUBDIVISIONS.
SO THESE BY TOWN CODE ARE DEFINED AS MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS.
MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS ARE THEREFORE REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE FIRST STEP FOR A MAJOR SUBDIVISION IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAN PER TOWN CODE.
THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, THE PRELIMINARY PLAN SHOULD SHOW THE PROPOSED LOTS, ANY REMAINING PARCELS, THE STREETS,
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STORM DRAINAGE, AND PUBLIC UTILITIES.BASICALLY, THAT'S WHAT COMPRISES OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAN WOULD BE THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN AND THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.
NOW, UH, PER TOWN CODE, THE PRELIMINARY PLAN DOES NOT AUTHORIZE THE CONSTRUCTION OF IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THIS IS NOT APPROVAL, UH, FOR THESE PRELIMINARY PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION 1 48 3 10 DH
SO ONCE A PRELIMINARY PLAN IS APPROVED, IT IS A VALID FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS, PROVIDED THE SUBDIVIDED SUBMITS THE FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT WITHIN ONE YEAR.
SO YOU CAN HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVED.
IF THEY DO NOT SUBMIT ANYTHING WITHIN THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD, THEN THAT PRELIMINARY PLAN IS VOIDED.
SO ONCE THE PRELIMINARY PLAN IS APPROVED AND THEY SUBMIT A FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN WITHIN ONE YEAR, THAT GIVES HIM FIVE YEARS TO COME UP WITH A FINAL SITE PLAN.
NOW THEY, THE APPLICANT SHALL NOT HAVE MORE THAN 36 MONTHS AFTER RECEIVING OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION OF APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN TO FILE WITH THE TOWN AND APPLICATION FOR MAJOR SUBDIVISION.
IF THEY DO, DO NOT DO THAT, THE PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL IS NULL AND VOID.
SO THIS IS ONLY FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAN.
SO THERE'S A TIMEFRAME FOR THEM TO SUBMIT THE FINALS.
THE PRELIMINARY PLAN IS APPROVED.
THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A SUBDIVISION PLAT PLATING THE PARCELS OR THE LOTS OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT GIVES THEM, THAT'S SUBMITTED WITHIN ONE YEAR.
THAT GIVES THEM THAT PRELIMINARY PLAN IS GOOD FOR FIVE.
THEY HAVE A TOTAL OF 36 MONTHS TO SUBMIT WHERE THE PLAN IS NULL AND VOID.
SO THIS IS ONLY FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR THE TWO, UH, ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
SO ONCE A PRELIMINARY PLAN IS APPROVED, THEY GO THROUGH THE NEXT STEP.
THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A MAJOR SUBDIVISION PLA THAT'S SUBDIVIDING INTO LOTS AND A MAJOR SUBDIVISION PLAN.
THOSE COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO THESE TWO PROJECTS, IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO GO FORWARD AFTER APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, YOU WILL SEE THESE PROJECTS AGAIN.
THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A PLAT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
ONCE THAT'S APPROVED, THEY WOULD SUBMIT THE MAJOR SUBDIVISION PLAN OR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PART OF IT.
SO YOU WILL SEE THESE TWO PROJECTS.
IF THE APPLICANT GOES FORWARD WITH EACH OF THESE, YOU'LL SEE THESE FOR THE PLAT AGAIN, AND FOR THE CIVIL ENGINEERING DRAWINGS AGAIN.
SO, UH, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS WITH THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? SO WE DON'T WANNA GET TOO DEEP IN THE REVIEW OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, 'CAUSE THAT'S PRELIMINARY.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF COMPONENTS OF THESE DRAWINGS.
SO, SO FOR MAJOR SUB DEVELOP, UH, SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT YOU'RE NOT REVIEWING THIS PART, I JUST WANNA OUTLINE THIS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
SO OUT OF THE MAJOR SUBDIVISION PLAN ZONING CHAPTER 1 75, WE WILL LOOK AT THE LOT SIZE, LOT WIDTH, LOT DEPTH SETBACKS, FRONT, REAR, AND THE SIDES, AND ANYTHING THAT, UH, COMES INTO PLAY WITH THE ZONING.
THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OUTTA CHAPTER 1 75.
THEN WE WILL ALSO LOOK FROM SUBDIVISION CHAPTER 1 48.
WE'LL, WE'LL DO A REVIEW OF THE STREET DESIGN, UTILITIES AND SERVICES, SANITARY SEWER WATER SUPPLY.
AND I'LL MAKE AN ASTERISK HERE FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS, BUT WE WILL ELABORATE ON THIS PART OF IT HERE MOMENTARILY.
ALSO, WE'LL LOOK AT STREET IMPROVEMENTS, STREET LIGHTS, CURB AND GUTTER, AND SIDEWALKS.
ALSO, 1 48, 8 60, THE ENVIRONMENTAL
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IMPROVEMENTS.WE WILL LOOK AT STEEP SLOPES, EROSION AND SEDIMENT.
AND I'LL PUT AN ASTERISK BY THIS TO ALSO HERE.
EROSION AND SEDIMENT AND LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S THE, UH, TREE PLANNING REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR SUBDIVISIONS.
THAT'LL BE THE CIVIL ENGINEERING DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THAT'S WHERE ALL THOSE COMPONENTS GET REVIEWED IN.
NOW, TO MAKE MANNERS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFUSING FOR YOU, AND PART OF THIS PLAN IS THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL TOWN DOES NOT REVIEW THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN.
WE NOT, WE ARE NOT THE PROGRAM AUTHORITY TO REVIEW THAT.
THE ROSEN AND SEDIMENT IS NOT PART OF OUR, THE TOWN'S AUTHORITY TO APPROVE OR REVIEW THAT PART OF THE PLAN.
STORM WATER MANAGEMENT THAT IS REVIEWED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, OR DEQ FOR SITES OVER ONE ACRE.
THEY REVIEW THE WATER QUALITY AND WATER QUANTITY OF THE SITE.
SO THOSE TWO PARTS OF THE PLAN, WE DO NOT REVIEW.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE AGENCIES REVIEWING THESE PLANS.
AND SO TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, WHEN WE GO FORWARD WITH THESE PROJECTS, STAFF MAY MAKE A RECOMMENDA RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT PUT A CONDITION ON THE APPROVAL, THE PARTS THAT WE, THE TOWN IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, I THINK THE, I THINK, UH, CHAIRMAN MARSH, YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAD A, A DEVELOPMENT PLANNING CAME FORTH.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED IT.
BUT WE WAS WAITING ON COMMENTS BACK FROM DEQ AND SOME COMMENTS FOR THE EROSION SEDIMENT.
WELL, WHEN THEY HEARD THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE PLANS, THEY THOUGHT THE NEXT DAY THEY'D COME IN TO GET BUILDING PERMITS.
SO THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF DELAY BEFORE TOWN WOULD SIGN THE APPROVAL BLOCK.
SO, UH, SO KEEP IN MIND, THREE AGENCIES REVIEW THESE PLANS.
TOWN WILL SEND THAT TO ENERGY SERVICES AND PUBLIC WORKS STAFF WILL REVIEW THE ZONING AND CHAPTER 1 48 OF SUBDIVISIONS.
THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PLANS WILL GO TO WARREN COUNTY.
STORM WATER WILL GO TO DEQ TOWN, SEND IT THE PUBLIC WORKS OF THE TOWN.
YES, TOWN PUBLIC WORKS AND ENERGY SERVICE THAT HAVE COMMENTS ON PUBLIC STREETS, INFRASTRUCTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE COMPRISE A COMMENT LIST FROM OUR DEPARTMENTS AND SEND THAT BACK TO THE APPLICANT OR HIS, UH, ENGINEER.
AND DOES THAT HAPPEN BEFORE IT COMES TO PLANNING COMMISSION? YES.
WE LIKE TO HAVE COMMENTS BACK AND COMMENTS ADDRESSED AND FULL FIELD ALL THE COMMENTS BEFORE WE BRING THAT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO YOU, YOU ARE NOT APPROVING PLANS THAT ARE INCOMPLETE PER SE BY THE TIME WE SEE THIS.
AGAIN, ALL THESE STEPS WERE CONDUCTED.
AGAIN, THIS IS ON AFTER PRELIMINARY PLAN.
I JUST WANNA GIVE, THESE ARE PART OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA REVIEW THOSE.
WHEN WE SENT THE COMMENTS OR THE PLANS TO DEQ, THEIR RESPONSE IS THEY WILL NOT BASICALLY REVIEW THE PRELIMINARY PLAN BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL SUBMISSION.
THEY CAN DISCUSS THE PROJECT WITH THEIR CIVIL ENGINEER, BUT THEY ARE NOT GONNA REVIEW THE PLANS.
THEY CAN LOOK AT THE CONCEPT, YES, YES, THIS LOOKS GOOD, IT SHOULD WORK.
BUT THEY WILL NOT DO A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THESE PRELIMINARY PLANS.
OKAY? SO IT'S A PART OF THE PROCESS.
YOUR DEPARTMENT IS A CLEARINGHOUSE OF ALL THIS COMING TOGETHER, RIGHT? SO IT GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THREE AGENCIES BETWEEN THE TOWN, THE COUNTY, AND DEQ REVIEWING THESE PLANS.
ALL THOSE HAVE TO BE, COME BACK, ALL THOSE COMMENTS ADDRESSED, EVERYTHING FULFILLED BEFORE, WE WILL DO AN APPROVAL SIGNATURE.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE PLANS OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT COMPLETE.
IS THERE A CHECKLIST OR A FULL CHECKLIST? YES, WE HAVE A CHECKLIST FOR PRELIMINARY PLANS.
IF THEY INCLUDE EVERYTHING ON THE CHECKLIST, THAT'S OUR REVIEW PROCEDURE.
AND WHEN THAT CHECKLIST IS COMPLETE, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'LL SEE IT.
SO WE'RE JUST DOING THE WORKS.
WE SENT OUT COMMENTS BACK FOR BOTH OF THESE.
UH, NOW WHETHER THEY CAN ADDRESS THE COMMENTS IN TWO WEEKS
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BEFORE YOUR AUGUST, UH, REGULAR MEETING, WE, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COMMENTS AND COMPLETED PRIOR TO THIS MONTH'S MEETING.IF IT'S NOT COMPLETED PRIOR TO THIS MONTH'S MEETING, THEN IT WOULD GO TO SEPTEMBER.
BECAUSE IF THE PLANS ARE INCOMPLETE BASED ON THE CHECKLIST, UM, WE WOULD ASK YOU FOR TO DISAPPROVE IT, WHICH WE, YEAH, WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DO THAT AND START OVER AGAIN.
SO IF THEY CAN ADDRESS ALL THE CON COMMENTS SATISFACTORILY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD PROBABLY WAIT TILL SEPTEMBER TO BRING THIS BACK UP.
BUT WE WANTED TO GET THIS ON THE WORK SESSION, TRY TO GET THE COMMENTS OUT.
AND WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH A COUPLE DIFFERENT AGENCIES, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T GET EVERYTHING FLOWING, UH, WITH THE TIMELINES.
SO WE DECIDED TO TRY TO GET THIS THROUGH THE WORK SESSION FOR THIS MONTH AND POTENTIALLY GET IT TO THE MEETING THIS MONTH FOR, UH, APPROVAL.
AS LONG AS THE, THE ENGINEERING FIRM GOES THROUGH THE CHECKLIST, ADDRESSES OUR COMMENTS.
THEY HAVE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING IN TOWN CODE.
SO THESE APPLICATIONS, THESE ARE BY, RIGHT? THESE ARE NOT, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
THEY ARE NOT FOR REZONING, THEY ARE NOT FOR PROPERS.
BOTH OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS ARE BY RIGHT SUBDIVISIONS.
SO AS LONG AS THEY MEET EVERYTHING WITHIN THE CHECKLIST WITHIN THE TOWN CODE, UH, THEY SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.
THEY DON'T GO TO THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, JUST TO PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BASICALLY, IT'S LIKE, I GUESS IF YOU THINK YOU'RE AT A TRAFFIC LIGHT WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, YOU'RE JUST TURNING THE LIGHT YELLOW TO TELL THEM, YES, GO AHEAD WITH THE, AND COMPLETE THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT, BUT THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU FOR THE SUBDIVISION PLA AND FOR THE CIVIL ENGINEERING DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THE PROCESS FOR ALL AGENCIES TO REVIEW THEM ANO FOR THE FI FOR THE COMPLETE REVIEW OF THE PLANS.
DOES THAT SOUND EVERYBODY CONFUSED NOW? OKAY.
SO YOU HAVE TH SO WARREN COUNTY IS THE PROGRAM AUTHORITY FOR EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL DESIGNATED BY THE STATE.
THAT'S THROUGH THEIR ORDINANCE.
UH, AND AT TIME WHEN, AT ONE TIME, THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, IF WE GO THROUGH, UH, I MAY HAVE MISSED A SLIDE SOMEWHERE.
UH, SO AT ONE TIME, HOW DID, WHERE THIS KIND OF GETS CONFUSING WITH PEOPLE SINCE WE HAVEN'T DID THESE PROJECTS IN A LONG TIME.
AT ONE TIME, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WAS UNDER EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL BY THE STATE, UH, 10 YEARS AGO.
IN 2014, JULY, 2014, THEY SEPARATED STORM WATER MANAGEMENT OUT OF EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PROJECTS UNDER ONE ACRE.
STILL WERE UNDER THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL FOR MS 19.
THAT'S, THEY HAVE 19 MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT THEY WILL REVIEW THE PLANS FOR ENS PROJECTS OVER ONE ACRE.
THE STATE INITIATED STORM STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ACT, AND THIS COMES IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS.
AT ONE TIME, THEY ONLY HAD TO DO THE QUANTITY OF WATER.
UH, NOW THEY HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WATER QUALITY.
AND I WANNA BRING THAT UP BECAUSE BOTH SUBDIVISIONS ADDRESS THIS IN A NOTE.
SO POTENTIALLY WE COULD PUT A CONDITION ON THE APPROVAL, NOT FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, BUT FOR THE SUBDIVISION PLAN.
AND I WANNA SHOW YOU WHY THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY, SO THAT WE HAVE THE STEPS AND THE PROCEDURES.
DOES EVERYBODY HAVE A, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO BE REVIEWING THE ENS, THE STORM WATER, ANY OF THOSE.
WE ARE NOT THE PROGRAM AUTHORITY TO TAKE THAT ON.
UH, WE ARE NOT CERTIFIED BY THE STATE TO DO SO.
SAME WAY WITH STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
UH, SO, UH, HOW WE, WE GET INTO THE FIRST, UH, PART, UH, CONNIE, THE FIRST SUBDIVISION.
WHERE'S THAT LOCATED AT? WE GOT HERE.
OKAY, SO THIS IS ONLY FOR PRELIMINARY PLAN.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL START THE PROCESS ON THESE TWO PROJECTS.
AND THEY DO HAVE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE HERE.
IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT THE TOWN, UH, HASN'T ADDRESSED SUFFICIENTLY, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE THE UH, ANSWER TO, THEY COULD GO IN A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH
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WITH THAT.SO LET US LOAD UP BOTH OF THOSE, UH, PRESENTATIONS.
SO JUST REITERATE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A CHECKLIST WE GO THROUGH THAT'S INCORPORATED IN THE CODE FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAN.
IT GIVES US, I THINK, 30 SOME STEPS TO, UH, LOOK AT.
AND, UH, WE REVIEW THOSE WITH THE OTHER, UH, TOWN DEPARTMENTS, PUBLIC WORKS, AND ENERGY SERVICES.
SO AS LONG AS THEY MEET WHAT'S PART OF THE TOWN CODE, UH, THEN THESE, THIS SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.
KNOW WHY ALL THIS IS COMING UP THERE? EARLIER YOU MENTIONED ZONING CODE SECTION.
I'M ASSUMING THAT EVEN IF ZONING CODE CHANGES, THIS IS GRANDFATHERED IN UNDER THE EXISTING PREVIOUS ZONING CODE BEFORE THE CHANGES.
I THINK I, NO, IT'S SOUNDS NOT RIGHT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE SCREEN.
SO THE FIRST ONE, UH, FOR YOU TO, UH, PART OF YOUR REVIEW PROCESS IS THE SUBDIVISION OFF WEST STRONGBERG ROAD.
THE RE, UH, PLACE HERE, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SETS, UH, RIGHT HERE TO THE RIGHT OF THAT OFF OF FOREST HILL DRIVE.
THAT'S WHERE THAT'S LOCATED AT.
SO THE STRS ROAD, STRASSBURG ROAD SUBDIVISION IS, UH, ZONED, UH, FOR USE R TWO DUPLEXES.
SO WE'LL GET INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT.
THEY, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THEM.
THEY INCORPORATED SOME GENERAL NOTES AND STANDARDS, UH, EXPLAINING THE PROCESS THERE, CONSTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING THAT WE KIND OF REVIEW ON THAT PART, UH, LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THERE'S FOREST HILL DRIVE, OR FOREST HILL ROAD, UH, WHERE THE SITE IS NOW, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THERE.
AND THIS IS THE TRACK OF LAND, UH, THAT THEY PLAN ON DEVELOPING, UH, THREE AND A HALF ACRES THERE.
UH, THAT'S THE LAYOUT OF THE LOTS.
THERE'LL BE EIGHT RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN FUTURE SUBDIVIDED INTO DUPLEX LOTS, AND A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT LOT HERE AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
SO THAT'S THE LOT LAYOUT OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
UH, THERE'S A DRAWING OF CONCEPTIONAL, DRAWING OF HOW THE DUPLEXES WILL FIT IN.
UH, THEY'LL HAVE THEIR DRIVEWAYS, THE DUPLEXES, THE STREET, AND AGAIN, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT LOT THERE.
UH, THEY DID, UH, FOR THIS DRAWING FOR THIS, UH, WE DID HAVE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BECAUSE, UH, TOWN CODE REQUIRES CURB AND GUTTER ON NEW STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.
UH, THEIR, UH, DRAWING INITIALLY THEY HAVE NOW, UH, IS JUST AS A PAVEMENT.
THEY CAN ASK FOR A WAIVER FROM TOWN COUNCIL.
AND TOWN COUNCIL ONLY CAN APPROVE A WAIVER.
UH, MY RECOMMENDATION TO THEM, IF THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR A WAIVER, DO SO PRIOR TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, COMING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL, BECAUSE IF IT DOES NOT MEET THE CODE, IT MAY BE A REASON TO DISAPPROVE IT.
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CURB AND GUTTER AND SIDEWALKS FOR NEW SUBDIVISIONS.BUT THEY CAN ASK FOR A WAIVER.
WE INFORM THAT THEY CAN'T ASK FOR A WAIVER OF THE CURB AND GUTTER AND THE SIDEWALKS.
SO THEIR DRAWING NOW HAS, UH, JUST EDGE OF PAVEMENT AND, UH, CULVERTS IN THE DITCH LINE UNDERNEATH THE DRIVEWAYS.
BUT THEY COULD ASK FOR A WAIVER.
UH, THAT'S UP TO TOWN COUNCIL TO HEAR THEIR CASE ON THAT.
UH, THEY, THE, THEY'D HAVE TO RUN NEW WATER LINE OFF OF FOREST HILL DRIVE AND NEW SEWER LINE.
UH, THE TOWN, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DID MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE SEWER LINE.
UH, SINCE IT'S A FORCE MAIN, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DOES NOT WANT THAT, UH, SEWER LINE IN THE ROAD.
SO THE, THEY'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT PART OF THE, UH, UTILITIES THERE ON THAT.
UH, THEY DID PROVIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING PROFILES OF THE SEWER LINE AND THE WATER MAIN, UH, A GRADING PLAN OF THE LOTS, SHOWING HOW THE NEW GRADING'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
AGAIN, THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UH, CHAMBER THERE.
SO WE'LL HAVE TWO OF THESE PROJECTS.
AND THE CIVIL ENGINEER, THEY USE TWO DIFFERENT METHODS FOR THE STORM WATER.
THIS IS WITH A CHAMBER HERE, UH, FOR THE STORM WATER.
AGAIN, WE DO NOT REVIEW THOSE.
DQ WILL REVIEW THESE WHEN THEY COME FOR THE ACTUAL CIVIL ENGINEERING DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
NOW WE REVIEW ALL THESE NUMBERS BASED ON THAT, UH, THE DESIGN AND EVERYTHING.
SO THEY HAVE TO MEET WATER QUALITY AND WATER QUANTITY FOR THESE PROJECTS.
UM, THAT'S A PART OF THE ROAD.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM, UH, VDOT ON THAT.
UH, I THINK MONDAY, UH, THEY DID HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SITE DISTANCE.
WE WILL SEND THAT TO THE APPLICANT AND HIS ENGINEER ABOUT THAT, WHERE IT TIES INTO FOREST HILL DRIVE.
UH, THEY DID HAVE A BUNCH OF NOTES HERE BASE.
AND THAT'S THE, UH, EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL NARRATIVE.
AGAIN, WE WILL NOT REVIEW THAT.
WE'RE NOT THE PROGRAM AUTHORITY.
JUST WANNA REITERATE, SO YOU DON'T WANNA GET TOO MUCH INTO THIS.
SO, THE EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL WOULD BE REVIEWED BY WARREN COUNTY.
THEY DO THE INSPECTIONS PLAN REVIEW AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS.
UH, THAT THERE IS PHASE TWO OF THE GRADING OF THE ENS PLAN.
UH, AND WE'LL GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
UH, THERE'S SOME, UH, DETAILS FOR THAT AND WITH OTHER DETAILS AND DETAILS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION DETAILS OF THAT.
UH, SO THEY DID THEIR CALCULATIONS ON THE DRAINAGE AREAS.
THIS IS ALL RELATED TO STORM WATER.
OKAY? SO WE DO NOT REVIEW THAT DEQ WOULD REVIEW THAT.
UH, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT ALL THESE NUMBERS AND CHARTS TOGETHER FOR DEQ TO REVIEW, UH, REVIEW THESE, UH, TYPE OF STRUCTURES OF GOING IN FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS PROJECT? THEY CANNOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR REDUCTION OF THE QUALITY OF WATER, THE STORM WATER.
THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THEY DO THESE NUMBERS, WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO FOR THE QUALITY OF WATER, LEAVING THE SITE STORM WATER.
AND THEY HAVE FELL SHORT ON THEIR DESIGN.
OKAY? SO THEY HAVE HERE BY STATE LAW, THEY CAN PURCHASE CREDITS.
OKAY? THEY CAN PURCHASE CREDITS FROM WITHIN THE WATERSHED TO BUY CREDITS TO OFFSET THE STORMWATER STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
OKAY? SO THIS IS WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET DOWN THE ROAD.
YOU COULD APPROVE SOMETHING, BUT TOWN STAFF WOULD WANT THIS LETTER OF CREDIT APPROVE APPROVED PRIOR TO SIGNATURES ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO THAT'D BE LIKE A CONDITION WE WOULD PLACE ON THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS? JUST FOR THE QUALITY OF WATER.
IF THE TOWN DOESN'T AGREE WITH THE CONCLUSION, DEQ REVIEWS THIS, THEY'RE GONNA RUN THE NUMBERS AND COME UP WITH, I MEAN, WITH THE TOWN CREDIT, IF THEY'RE GIVEN CREDIT AND THE TOWN DOESN'T AGREE WITH THAT, THERE'S A NUTRIENT BANK AUTHORIZED BY THE STATE THAT THEY PURCHASE THESE CREDITS FROM BY THE STATE.
SO THEY, THEY'RE A NUTRIENT BANK, UH, WITHIN THE, THE WATERSHED THAT'S AUTHORIZED.
IT'S AT THAT LEVEL BACK INTO THE, YEAH, BACK INTO THE RIVERS AND THAT SORT OF THING, RIGHT? SO THEY, THEY CAN PURCHASE CREDITS TO OFFSET THIS, TO MAKE THIS A VIABLE SITE.
BUT WE WOULD REQUIRE THIS LETTER BE INCORPORATED
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IN THE PLAN APPROVAL.SO HOPEFULLY WHAT THEY'RE STATING HERE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CREDIT AVAILABLE OR THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE LETTER APPROVAL AND THEY WOULD SUBMIT WITH THE PLANS.
UM, SO JUST FOR, I'M JUST USING THAT IN EXAMPLE.
THAT'S WHERE CONDITIONS STAFF WOULD PLACE.
THIS IS REALLY OUT OF OUR HANDS, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE THE PLANS.
SO THEY HAVE THE CREDIT THERE.
WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS.
AND THAT'S SOMETIMES WHERE YOU GET IN, I'M SURE YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER GILLESPIE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU GET IN YEARS PAST, PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN'S SLOWING US DOWN ON THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE NOT GOING FORWARD.
WHAT'S TAKEN SO LONG? YOU HAVE MULTIPLE AGENCIES REVIEWING THESE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE TOWN, UH, DOING THIS.
YOU HAVE OTHER AGENCIES REVIEWING THESE, AND ESPECIALLY FOR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, WHEN THOSE REGULATIONS CAME OUT 10 YEARS AGO.
UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER REVIEW PROCESS AND THEN A DIFFERENT THING TO WORK WITH.
DRILLING DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, THE QUALITY OF THE RUNOFF.
WHAT, WHAT MAKES QUALITY IN A RUNOFF? WELL, NOT TO GET TOO DEEP INTO THE WEEDS.
SO THEY WOULD, AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE BASIC SCENARIO.
THEY HAVE A PRE-DEVELOPMENT SITE.
AND THEY HAVE A POST DEVELOPMENT AREA.
SO WHEN THEY PUT THE SUB, UH, SO WHATEVER THIS LAND IS, WE'LL JUST SAY FOR AN EXAMPLE, IT'S FOREST LAND.
THEY HAVE CALCULATIONS ON FOREST LAND.
KNOW WHAT THE RUNOFF IS FOR FOREST LAND.
NOW WE'RE CHANGING THAT FROM FOREST LAND TO PUTTING A ROAD HOUSES IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THERE.
SO NOW THE WATER'S GOING TO FLOW ACROSS THAT FASTER.
SO THEN, BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA TREAT THE, UH, PHOSPHORUS THAT'S GENERATED OFF THIS SITE OF THE POLLUTANTS THAT ARE WITHIN ANY SUBDIVISION, ANY KIND CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER IT'S TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS, NITROGEN, AND THE PRIMARY DRIVER IS PHOSPHORUS.
SO THEY HAVE TO RUN THE NUMBERS, FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THEY'RE GONNA GENERATE, HOW MUCH THIS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BASIN IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL.
AND WHEN THEY DON'T MEET THAT THRESHOLD, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PURCHASE CREDITS SOMEWHERE.
AND THE PHOSPHORUS COMES FROM CONCRETE AND HILLS.
IT IS GEN GENERATED ON THE SITE.
I MEAN, A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH PHOSPHORUS ENTERING THE WATER SYSTEM.
LIKE ANYBODY ELSE, YOU LIVE IN TOWN, MAYBE NOT THIS SUMMER.
EVERYBODY PUTS FERTILIZER IN THE YARD 'CAUSE THEY WANTS IT NICE AND GREEN AND GRASS AND EVERYTHING.
THEY PUT IT DOWN THREE HOURS LATER, COME TO RAINSTORM.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT GOES BACK.
I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO, BUT THEY HAD THE NUMBERS BASED ON THE WATERSHED.
UH, DEQ REVIEWS ALL THIS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF THE COMMONWEALTH FOR EACH WATERSHED DISTRICT, THEY HAVE THE NUMBERS BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE GOING FROM.
IF YOU'RE GOING FROM, UH, MANAGED TURF, IF THIS WAS A HAYFIELD OR SOMETHING, THERE'S ONE NUMBER TO RUN THIS OR THIS IS FOREST LAND.
THEY HAVE OTHER NUMBERS TO RUN FOR THAT.
NO, I DON'T NEED YOU TO GET TOO DEEP.
THIS, BUT THE DISTURB SOIL OF COURSE CHANGES THE, THE, THE ACIDITY AND SO ON THIS ONE OFF THE BOARD, IS THIS DONE THE STUDIES FROM THROUGH CONSTRUCTION AND THEN FINAL DEVELOPMENT? I MEAN, IS THERE DIFFERENT STANDARDS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION? NO.
SO THEY'RE GOING FROM WHAT OR WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY TO THE FINAL PRODUCT, BECAUSE INITIALLY THE IS GONNA BE DIRT FOR A WHILE BEFORE EVERYTHING'S PUT DOWN.
SO THAT, THAT PROFILE WILL LOOK QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHEN IT'S FINISHED.
SO, UH, SO THAT'S THE NUMBERS THEY RAN WITH THE SPREADSHEET AGAIN, SAID THEY COULD NOT MEET THE NUMBERS.
THEY STATED THAT CLEARLY ON THE PLANS THAT THEY COULD NOT MEET THE NUMBER REDUCTION.
SO DEQ, WHEN THEY REUSE THAT, THEY KNOW, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A CREDIT AVAILABLE, PURCHASE THAT FROM A NUTRIENT BANK SOMEWHERE, UH, TO OFFSET WHAT'S REQUIRED.
AGAIN, THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT GOES TO DEQ FOR THEM TO REVIEW.
THAT MUST BE THE LAST SHEET FOR THAT, UH, FOR THAT, UH, SUBDIVISION.
SO WE DID HAVE COMMENTS FOR THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION, PRIMARILY THE CURB AND GUTTER AND SIDEWALK, UH, WITH THAT.
UH, BECAUSE FOREST HILL DRIVE IS CURB AND GUTTER NOW, UH, BUT THEY DESIGNED IT WITH EDGE PAVEMENT AND, UM, CULVERTS UNDERNEATH THE DRIVEWAYS.
WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE FOREST MAIN BEING IN THE STREET.
UH, WE'RE ASKING THEM TO LOOK AT THAT.
UH, WE SENT THAT OUT THE OTHER WEEK.
UH, NOW WHETHER THEY CAN ADDRESS ALL THOSE ISSUES
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BY THE AUGUST MEETING IS UP TO THEM.SO YOU MAY, THEY CAN'T GET ALL OF 'EM ADDRESSED.
SO WE CAN REVIEW IT ONE MORE TIME.
PRIOR TO YOUR AUGUST MEETING, WE WOULD ASK THAT TO GO TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING.
AND THE REASON WE DO THIS FOR IS OUR CODE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO ACT WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD WHEN THEY FIRST SUBMIT.
SO SINCE WE HAD A WORK SESSION AND, UH, WE HAVE THE COMMENTS, WE'RE IN THAT THRESHOLD, SO IT COULD GO TILL SEPTEMBER BASED ON THEIR COMMENTS.
SO THEY NEED TO GET THE COMMENTS BACK TO US, UH, OR ADDRESS THE COMMENTS SATISFACTORY AND MAKE A DECISION.
UH, IF THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR A WAIVER, MY RECOMMENDATION TO THEM WOULD BE ASK FOR A WAIVER, UH, PRIOR TO COMING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR TO TOWN COUNCIL.
UH, AND IF PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE TOWN COUNCIL DOES APPROVE A WAIVER ON THE CURB AND GUTTER, THEY MOVE FORWARD.
IF THE PLANNING OR THE TOWN COUNCIL DENIES THE WAIVER, THEN BASICALLY, IF THIS CAME BEFORE YOU IN A HEAD EDGE OF PAVEMENT, IT WOULD NOT MEET THE CHECKLIST OF OUR CODE.
IT WOULD NOT MEET THE CONDITIONS THAT'S REQUIRED WITHIN TOWN CODE, FOR EXAMPLE.
DOES THAT KIND OF, SO IT'S, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A PROCESS, UH, FOR THESE PLANS.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS PROJECT ITSELF? THE REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE, UH, TO DISCUSS THIS PROJECT.
THESE ARE BY RIGHT DUPLEXES ARE BY, RIGHT UP HERE.
UH, THE PRELIMINARY, THEY LOOK WITHIN THE TOLERANCE LEVEL OF THE SETBACKS.
UH, WHEN WE DID THE INITIAL REVIEW, IT DOES, YOU KNOW, DOES MEET THE INITIAL REVIEW ON THE LOTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, THERE'S THE STORM WATER, SO IT DOESN'T, IT DOES MEET WHAT, UH, PART OF THE CODE REQUIRES ARE, ARE THESE, MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR OVER HERE ARE, ARE THEY DUPLEXES? ONE STORY, TWO STORY, THREE STORY, WHAT SORT OF DUPLEXES? UM, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS.
FOR PRELIMINARY PLAN, WE JUST BASE THAT ON THE HEIGHT IN THE R TWO, IT TELLS US THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO, WE STICK WITHIN THAT PARAMETERS OF THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS PLAN, A PRELIMINARY PLAN, BUT THEY WOULD TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION.
BUT WE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIAGNOSIS OR, I THINK THEY DO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD THERE.
BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT IN THAT PART OF THE, THE REVIEW PROCESS AT THIS POINT.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE, WE CAN'T ASK THEM.
IT, THIS IS, IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF YOUR
I'M JUST THINKING OF THE VIEW.
THE OFF OF 55 WILL BE, THIS IS LOCATED OFF OF 55.
THIS IS TUCKED UP NEAR HERITAGE FOREST HILL AROUND THE CURVE DOWN, THIS IS RIGHT.
SO BACK THERE, FOREST HILL DRIVE GOES TO DUCK STREET.
IF YOU REMEMBER, YOU, UH, I'LL GO BACK TO, SO THERE'S 55, THIS PARCEL, PART OF THE PARCEL WILL REMAIN.
SO THE SUBDIVISION HAS GONE BACK ON THIS PART OF IT.
IT WON'T AFFECT THE VIEW FROM 55.
SO IT, THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE THIS RESIDUE HERE, MAYBE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR SOMETHING.
SO THIS SUBDIVISION WILL BE CUT OFF HERE.
UH, ACCESS WILL ONLY BE OFF OF FOREST HILL DRIVE AND NOT OFF OF WEST BURG ROAD.
UM, SO YOU SAID THAT, UH, THAT VDOT IS GONNA, LOOKING AT THE, AT THE SITE LINES THERE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GOOD.
IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT STRUCK ME IS THAT THAT'S A SHARP CURVE
SO THEY, IT MAY NOT BE A BUSY ROAD.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE ENTRANCE THERE AS BEING ON THE NARROWER SIDE FOR PEOPLE STOPPING AND, YOU KNOW, OR NOT SEEING AS THEY'RE GOING AROUND THAT CURVE.
SO WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO A SITE, UH, DISTANCE ON THAT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE PICKED UP TO SEE IF THIS DOES MEET THE SITE DISTANCE.
AND WE DID ASK FOR, UH, A TRAFFIC COUNT ON THAT ROAD TO SEE IF IT WARRANTS ANYTHING ELSE.
SO, UM, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE HERE? I MEAN, BASICALLY JUST A COUPLE MORE.
LEAVING ALL THE STORM WATER STUFF HOME THERE.
THEY, THEY'LL HAVE A FORCE MAIN, THESE WILL HAVE A FORCE MAIN, SO IT'S NOT GRAVITY SEWER.
THEY'RE GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE SOMEHOW TO PUT A PUMP STATION IN THERE THAT THE TOWN WILL NOT MAINTAIN.
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THAT IS UP TO, UH, UH, WE DO NOT MAINTAIN THESE PRIVATE LEE, UH, MANAGE PUMP STATIONS FOR THE SEWER.SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, AGAIN, JUST PRELIMINARY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO JUST IN GENERAL HOLD THAT STATEMENT.
HOLD TRUE WITH THE SO AREA MAINTAIN MAINTENANCE.
WHAT'S THAT? NOW THE SO AREA, THE, UM, SW, RIGHT? SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH, UH, AND PART OF OUR COMMENTS WAS ON HERE, ON THIS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN IS NOT GOING TO DO MAINTENANCE ON THAT.
THEY'LL HAVE TO ESTABLISH WHO'S GONNA DO THE INSPECTIONS AND THE MAINTENANCE ON THAT.
AND, UH, THE WHOLE PROCESS FOR THAT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREA.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE GONNA PUT THAT GOING AND PUT THAT IN THERE.
THAT'S WHY THE TOWN HAS ASKED FOR THE SEWER.
UH, THE FORCE MAIN NOT BE PUT IN THE ROAD.
THAT'S NOT GONNA BE OUR FORCE MAIN, BUT IT WILL BE OUR ROAD.
SO THE TOWN, UH, WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT PUBLIC WORKS WOULD LOWER, HAVE FORCE MAIN OUT OF, OUT FROM THE PAVEMENT AND NOT UNDERNEATH THE ROAD.
AND ONE LAST THING, AND I'LL SURE.
THE WATER AND SEWER EXISTING CONNECTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE, ARE THEY, HAVE THEY ALREADY BEEN LOOKED AT? DOES THE TOWN HAVE AN IDEA WHAT CONDITION THEY'RE IN? OF CONDITION OF THE PIPE? YEAH, WELL OF, YOU KNOW, THE CONNECTIONS, THE PIPE AND WHAT WOULD TAKE THAT? I SEE THERE'S CALCULATION FOR FLOW RATE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IT SEEMS, BUT JUST THE, THEY'RE NOT NEW PIPES.
UM, I GUESS THE BEST WAY, DO YOU, DOES THE TOWN EVER GO OUT AND DO A PRELIMINARY SAY BEFORE, YOU KNOW YEAH.
THEY HAVE AN INVENTORY OF THE P OF THE WATER IN THESE AREAS IN ALL TOWN STREETS.
THEY KNOW THE AGES OF THESE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IF IT COMES UP, THEY THINK THOSE NEED REPLACE BEFOREHAND.
THEY WOULD ADDRESS IT DURING THE FAMILY REVIEW COMMENTS.
YEAH, WE ROUTED TO PUBLIC WORKS.
WE ROUTED TO ENERGY SERVICES ROUTED TO THE COUNTY.
YEAH, I SAW SOME, SOME, SOME OF THAT IN THERE.
BUT THAT PARTICULAR POINT, I WASN'T, WASN'T SURE THAT WAS BEING ADDRESSED.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW TILL YOU DIG THE HOLE.
PUBLIC WORKS REVIEWS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD MAKE THE COMMENTS ON THAT.
AND THEY DID, THEY ADDRESSED THE COMMENTS THEY NEEDED FOR THE, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE WATER, UH, THE STORM PIPING AND ALSO FOR THE SANITARY SEWER.
UM, NO, I MEAN, I, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, UM, DOWN STAFF HAS ADDRESSED, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST PRELIMINARY, SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THIS IS THE TIME FOR Y'ALL TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYBODY WANT, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO, AT THIS POINT? WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO BE GIVEN TIME TO DO MORE OF WORK.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM? THE NEXT STEP FOR PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS.
OKAY, SO WAY THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE WE WOULD TOWN STAFF SHOULD RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE, THE APPLICANT'S CIVIL ENGINEER TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS.
IF THOSE ARE ADDRESSED ADEQUATELY, UM, PRIOR TO THE, THE MONTHLY MEETING HERE IN AUGUST, WE WILL GO FORWARD WITH THAT.
WE WOULD REVIEW THAT, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE TO PUT SOME CONDITIONS ON YOUR APPROVAL, UH, BUT THAT ONLY GIVES THEM TWO WEEKS, UH, TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS.
BUT WHAT'S THEIR TRACK RECORD IN GETTING BACK TO
SO, UM, WE TRIED TO GET THE COMMENTS, COMMENTS OUT AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD.
UH, BACK TO 'EM PRIOR TO TODAY'S MEETING.
IT DIDN'T WORK OUT JUST BECAUSE THE, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, REVIEW IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, USUALLY IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, THREE TO FOUR WEEKS.
WE TRIED TO GET IT OUT IN LESS THAN TWO WEEKS TO MAKE IT FOR THIS WORK SESSION.
TO, TO GET YOU ALL INVOLVED WITH THIS PROCESS, UH, WITH THAT, SO LONG AS WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE DEALING WITH THIS.
RIGHT? THIS ONE HERE, UH, THE NEXT ONE, UH, IT'S ANOTHER MAJOR SUBDIVISION.
THIS ONE IS IN THE BLOCK OF THE 3 44 WEST MAIN STREET, WEST MAIN STREET, AND ACTUALLY NORTH STREET ORCHARD AND VISCO AVENUE.
SO IT HAS, UH, FOUR EXISTING STREETS THERE, THREE PARCELS OF LAND.
UH, MOST OF IT YOU CAN SEE ON THE AREA THERE IS FOREST LAND, UM, WITH A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE, EXISTING HOUSE UP HERE ON THIS LOT.
SO MOST OF THAT IS FOREST LAND ON THERE.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.
UH, SO CAN YOU, UH, YEAH, I'M SURE SETH DON'T MIND HAVING HIS NAME RIGHT HERE.
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ADVERTISE IT.SO, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAN, SITE PLAN FOR THE SQUIRREL HILL DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, THEY GIVE A SITE PLAN HERE, UH, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS, UH, DRAWING.
THEY GAVE US THE PLAN DATA, SITE DATA, THE AREA TABLE, THE SHEET INDEX WITH EVERYTHING ON THERE.
THEY GAVE THE VICINITY MAP, UH, ON THIS ONE HERE, I THINK MAYBE MIGHT NEED TO LOWER A LITTLE SMALLER.
SO THEY, AGAIN, THEY ADDRESSED THE GENERAL NOTES FOR CONSTRUCTION ON THIS.
THEY GAVE A, A LEGEND ON HERE FOR ALL OF THE PARTS OF THE PLAN.
COULD YOU REDUCE THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR CONNIE? MM-HMM.
SO THESE ARE THREE PARCELS HERE.
YOU HAVE THIS PIECE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ORCHARD STREET HERE.
SO WE HAVE A, A PARCEL OF LAND SOUTH OF ORCHARD STREET, THIS PARCEL HERE, AND WHERE THE EXISTING HOUSE IS.
SO ALL THE, YOU KNOW, MAJORITY, IT'S ON EXISTING STREETS.
IT HAS EXISTING WATER AND SEWER ALONG THE STREETS.
UH, THAT'S A TOWN STREET THROUGH THERE.
THOSE, YEAH, THOSE ARE TOWN STREETS.
ORCHARD STREET NORTH, NORTH STREET, WEST MAIN, AND MISCO AVENUE.
SO ALL THOSE FRONT ON EXISTING STREET.
UH, SO THAT SHOWS THAT THERE A LITTLE BIT OF DEMOLITION PLAN.
UH, THAT'S AS PART OF THE ENS PHASE ONE.
UH, SO THEY'D HAVE TWO CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE TO ACCESS THE SITE.
THEY WOULD PUT IN A SEDIMENT TRAP HERE AND A SEDIMENT BASIN THERE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S, UH, THEN THEY GO WITH PHASE TWO OF THE ENS SHOWN THE LOTS, THE GRADING AND THE SEDIMENT, UH, BASIN CONVERTED INTO A DRY POND.
AND IT WOULD OUTFLOW HERE INTO EXISTING STORM WATER MANAGEMENT OR PIPES THAT WE HAVE ON INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO THE WATER WE COLLECTED ON SITE ROUTED TO THIS POND AND OUT THIS EXISTING ONE FOR THE STORM WATER.
UH, ALSO WITH THAT FOR THE ENS NOTES, THE LOT LAYOUT.
UM, SO THESE ARE DUPLEX LOTS AGAIN.
SO THEY'LL FURTHER SUB THESE WERE ALREADY FURTHER SUB SUBDIVIDED INTO A DUPLEX LOT.
SO IF WE WOULD REVIEW THAT ONCE WE GET THE FINAL PLAT TO MAKE SURE ALL THESE DIMENSIONS ARE CORRECT, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT STREET FRONTAGE, THE RIGHT DEPTH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOTS THAT COMES UNDER OUR PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS.
UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, SHOWING, UH, THE DUPLEXES WITH DRIVEWAYS.
AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A DRY POND DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
UH, THEN THE UTILITY LAYOUT, EXISTING WATER AND SEWER ON THESE STREETS.
AND THEY WOULD RUN, UH, LATERALS, UH, TO CONNECT UP THE WATER AND SEWER.
UH, THE MAIN INFRASTRUCTURE'S ALREADY IN ON THIS PLACE.
UH, THEY DID A, THERE WILL BE A SANITARY LINE OFF THE STREET TO SERVE A COUPLE OF THE UNITS.
UH, THEN THEY DID A GRADING PLAN SHOWING HOW THE SITE WILL BE GRADED.
UH, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS BROUGHT UP.
THEY DO HAVE A COUPLE RETAINING WALLS ON THE SITE.
UH, THOSE RETAINING WALLS ARE ONLY, UH, LIKE FOUR FOOT TALL, UH, ON, SO THERE'S SHORT RETAINING WALLS JUST TO HELP WITH THE GRADING BACK HERE.
WHAT WAS RELATIVELY STEEP ON A COUPLE OF THOSE LOTS.
I MEAN, UH, SOMEONE ALREADY MADE COMMENTS.
THEY THOUGHT THE RETAINING WALL WHEN HE SAID 50 FOOT, IT WAS 50 FOOT TALL.
SO AGAIN, SO THEY DID A, THE STUDY ON THE DRAINAGE AREAS, WHICH IS REQUIRED, UH, THE CONCENTRATED FLOW, HOW THE WATER IS THERE CURRENTLY.
AND THEY DID A, A ONE AFTER THE FACT THAT'S REQUIRED BY DEQ TO COME UP WITH AN ANALYSIS.
UH, SO THEN THEY INCORPORATED THAT ON THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, SHOWING HOW THE STORM WATER'S GOING TO BE ROUTED AFTER THE, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT IS FINISHED AND EVERYTHING, WHICH IS REQUIRED, BUT WE DON'T REVIEW THOSE.
BUT THESE ARE PART OF THE PLANS.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET TO A PART WHERE YOU'RE DWELLING IN THIS, BUT DEQ WILL REVIEW THIS INFORMATION.
THEY WILL CHECK ALL THOSE CALCULATIONS AND EVERYTHING ON THERE TO RUN THAT THROUGH THERE.
UH, BUT THAT'S, IT HAS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN, BUT WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
SO THEY'LL PUT A DETENTION BASIN IN, UH, THEY GAVE THE CALCULATIONS WHERE THE WATER LEVEL WOULD BE DURING THE ONE ONE YEAR POOL, THE 10 YEAR AND
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A HUNDRED YEAR, WHICH IS REQUIRED.UH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WE'LL GET A LOT OF RAIN THIS WEEKEND OR THIS WEEK, YOU KNOW.
SO THAT'S REQUIREMENT FROM THE STATE.
HOW YOU ANALYZE, UH, RUNOFF WITH THAT.
IS THAT THE LAST GENE CONNIE? MUST BE, YEAH.
SO THAT'S, UH, BUT THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER ONE.
UH, THEY'RE DOING A DRY POND THERE.
THE OTHER ONE IS DOING A CHAMBER, BUT ONCE THE STORM WATER COLLECTS, IT GOES OUT AND TIES INTO THE EXISTING THING.
SO VUQ WILL LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS WHEN IT COMES TO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
THEY WILL REVIEW THAT AND MAKE COMMENTS ONCE WE GET TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
BUT THIS JUST NEEDS TO BE BY OUR PRELIMINARY PLAN.
THIS HAS TO BE REQUIRED TO BE PUT IN THERE.
UH, LIKE I SAID, WE SENT THE INFORMATION TO DEQ.
THEY SAID THEY WOULD NOT, UH, REVIEW A PRELIMINARY PLAN, BUT THEY WOULD BE GLADLY TALKED TO THE CIVIL ENGINEER TO DISCUSS THEIR, UH, IDEA OR DESIGN TO SEE IF IT WOULD WORK AND, UH, BUT NOT DO AN IN-DEPTH STUDY ON THE PLAN REVIEW.
WARREN COUNTY WOULD REVIEW THAT AT THAT TIME FOR EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL AGAIN, BY, RIGHT.
UH, THESE UNITS ARE BY, RIGHT.
UM, UH, THEY WOULD DO DUPLEXES THERE.
UH, THEY WOULD FRONT ON FRONT ON THE STREETS, THEY WOULD'VE PARKING OFF STREET, UH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE TOWN CODE.
THEY HAD TO FURNISH THE PARKING SPACES OFF STREET FOR THESE, UH, ALL OF IT.
UH, THE PRELIMINARY LOOK, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE PLAN.
THERE WAS NO GLARING, UM, PROBLEMS THAT WE SEEN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, UNLIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE WHERE WE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SEWER AND THE CURB AND GUTTER AND SIDEWALKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE BASICS OF THIS SUBDIVISION.
UM, SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET OVERWHELMED.
IS THIS ONE LESS FAR ALONG IN THE COMMENTS BACK PROCESS? WELL, UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T GET COMMENTS OUT TO THEM UNTIL THIS WEEK, EARLIER THIS WEEK.
IT JUST, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD THE COMMENTS BACK.
I MEAN, IT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY HAVE TO, WE HAVE THIS BACK TO YOU, JOHN.
SO THEY, THEY THINK THEY CAN ADDRESS THE COMMENTS AND HAVE THE ADDRESS THE COMMENTS.
WE WOULD HAD TO DO A, WE'D HAVE TO DO ANOTHER REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THEY ADDRESS THE COMMENTS.
IF WE CAN GET THAT AND THEY ADDRESS THE COMMENTS, NOTHING GOES BACK AND FORTH.
UH, THEY'RE SAYING THEY CAN HAVE THIS, THIS WOULD GO TO THE MONTHLY MEETING HERE IN AUGUST FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAN, FOR THE OFFICIAL ACTUAL MEETING.
FOR YOUR PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL.
SO THAT WOULD GIVE, SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THAT GOES FORWARD HERE IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST AND YOU DO, UH, APPROVAL, THAT GOES BACK TO THE BEGINNING.
THEY WOULD HAVE, UH, ONE YEAR TO DO THE LOT LAYOUT THE SUBDIVISION PLAQUE, AND THAT GIVES THEM FIVE YEARS TO DO THE SITE PLAN.
UH, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY PROBABLY WANNA MOVE FORWARD FASTER THAN THAT.
SO, SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, ONCE WE DO THE PRELIMINARY PLAN APPROVAL, THAT GIVES THEM, THEY'RE GONE FROM THE YELLOW LIGHT AT THIS TRAFFIC LIGHT TO THE GREEN LIGHT, THEY WILL START ENGINEERING, UH, DOING A COMPREHENSIVE ENGINEERING PLAN.
UH, PUT AN EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN TOGETHER A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN AND RESUBMIT THE TOWN.
WE WILL ROUTE THAT TO DEQ FOR STORMWATER TO WARREN COUNTY FOR ROSE AND SEDIMENT CONTROL AND TO, WITHIN THE TOWN DEPARTMENTS FOR OUR REVIEW.
AGAIN, IF THEY ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS, THAT, THAT IT COMES BACK TO YOU AND THEN GETS FORWARD TO TOWN COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S WHY I JUST WANNA REITERATE TO YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO THESE, SOME PEOPLE HAVE THE IDEA, YOU KNOW, I CAN GET THIS TURNED AROUND IN, IN TWO MONTHS, DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE SOMETIMES 45 TO 60 DAYS TO REVIEW THAT.
AND SO YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND WHERE VALLEY REGIONAL OFFICE FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, THEY REVIEW A MAJORITY OF THE PLANS WITHIN THE, THEIR DISTRICT.
SO IT'S NOT ONLY, UH, FRONT RURAL, WARREN COUNTY, THESE OTHER LOCALITIES THAT OPTED OUT TO DO THEIR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN REVIEW.
SO THEY HAVE A TIMELINE TO MEET, AND SO DOES THE COUNTY.
THEY HAVE CERTAIN SO MANY DAYS AUTHORIZED BY THE STATE TO REVIEW THE PLANS.
WE TRY TO GET OURS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, UH, BACK, 'CAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE TO ADDRESS COMMENTS FROM THE OTHER TWO AGENCIES.
QUESTIONS, UH, JUST WANNA CONFIRM ON LOT 23, JUST THE BOTTOM LEFT, UM,
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IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE DRAWING THERE IS A DRIVEWAY, BUT IT'S NOT COLORED GRAY.IS THAT, AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? YEAH, PROBABLY.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T GET A DRIVEWAY.
YEAH, A LITTLE BIT BIGGER BACK HERE.
SO DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT GIVES THEM TO GO FROM THE CAUTION LIGHT TO THE GREEN LIGHT.
WE APPROVE YOUR CONCEPT ON HERE.
IT MEETS MAJORITY OF THE CODE AS FAR AS TOWN CODE FROM PRELIMINARY, THEN WE WOULD REALLY GET INTO THE DEPTH OF THE PLAN REVIEW.
SO AFTER THIS, THEY WOULD NEED TO DO THE SUBDIVISION PLAQUE FROM A LICENSED SURVEYOR.
WE WOULD CHECK ALL THE LOTS AGAIN, DIMENSIONS, SETBACKS, EVERYTHING WOULD BE, UH, REVIEWED.
UH, THEY WOULD COME BEFORE YOU AND YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
BASICALLY, WE HAVE A CHECKLIST TO GO WITH.
WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO SIT DOWN AT THESE MEETINGS AND GO OVER THE CHECKLIST.
IF YOU'RE NOT, UH, MR. ASK A QUESTION, MR. NEIL.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC STUDY TO EITHER, WELL, WE, UH, WE WILL SEND THIS TO VDOT.
UH, V VDOT MAY SUGGEST FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY.
IT'S MAINLY THE FOUR LOTS UP ON MM-HMM.
THERE'S A BACKING OUT THAT ROAD.
RIGHT? WE ARE FAR BELOW THE VDOT THRESHOLD FOR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSES.
SO, UH, THEY, THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT COMMENT, BUT WE DON'T TRIGGER ANY OF THE, UH, MIDLAND THRESHOLD THAT SECTION'S A LITTLE WIDER THAN IT IS FARTHER DOWN, GETTING CLOSER TO TOWN.
AND ACTUALLY, WE ARE WIDENING THESE STREETS AS WELL.
THEY ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT SUBSTANDARD OKAY.
TO THE, TO THE TOWN STANDARDS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE WELL IN EXCESS OF VDOT STANDARDS, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LOWER WHEN HE DOWN, ANSWER THAT QUESTION HERE AT THE MIC, PLEASE.
COULD YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION HERE, PODIUM? SURE, SURE.
THE QUESTION WAS JUST MERELY YEAH, SURE.
I'M WITH MONTE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN STUDIO REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
THE QUESTION WAS FROM REGARD TO, UH, VDOT AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE MAY BE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT'S REQUIRED.
WE ARE FAR BELOW THE THRESHOLDS FOR A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
THE OTHER PROJECT, QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE IS A LOW VOLUME THRESHOLD WHERE IF YOU ARE SUB 400 TRIPS PER DAY ON THAT ROADWAY, AND YOU ARE MORE THAN DOUBLING, WELL, THAT ROAD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THRESHOLD, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC VOLUMES THERE ARE AROUND THERE.
BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A ROAD THAT ONLY HAS FOUR HOUSES ON IT AND YOU'RE ADDING FOUR MORE, YOU'RE EFFECTIVELY DOUBLING THAT TRAFFIC.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT STANDARD, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE A REAL SMALL DEVELOPMENT, THIS DEVELOPMENT'S A LITTLE BIT LARGER, BUT IT'S SCATTERING THOSE, THOSE TRIPS OVER FOUR DIFFERENT ROADWAYS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOW VOLUME THRESHOLD.
SO THE EXISTING ROADWAY HAS MORE THAN 400.
THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK AT IT THE SAME WAY.
SO, SO IN THAT ESSENCE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FAR BELOW THAT, BUT THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND AGAIN, THE OTHER QUESTION WAS REGARDING, UH, THE ROADWAYS IN THE WITS.
UH, THE TOWN STANDARD IS ACTUALLY WIDER THAN VDOT STANDARDS.
SO THESE ROADS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SOMEWHAT OLDER, UH, AND SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SUBSTANDARD.
SO WE'RE DOING SOME MINOR WIDENING JUST AT THE SHOULDERS JUST TO MAKE IT A UNIFORM WIDTH TO MATCH THE UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM SECTIONS.
UM, LIKE THEY HAVE A, WELL, THAT'S RIGHT OVER BY THE CORNER OF THE ONE PROPERTY, IT LOOKED LIKE ON ONE OF THE DRAWINGS.
AND, UH, WHAT HAD, UH, I, I DON'T HAVE A FEEL FOR THE IMPACT ON THAT HOME, UH, OF THIS EXISTING CONSTRUCTION ROOM.
I THINK THEY'RE A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THE ONES BY YOURSELF.
UM, UM, MY BROTHER'S NOT, UH, I WAS BORN IN THIS HOUSE IN 1960, AND MY FAMILY HAS LIVED HERE.
UH, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 19 15, 19 1 5.
UH, THERE, IN FACT, IT'S FUNNY YOU SAY, I, I NEVER SAW A, WELL, THERE ACTUALLY IS A LOCATION WHERE THERE IS A, WELL, THAT I WAS AWARE OF GROWING UP THAT WAS NEVER USED BY US, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S HOOKED TO, UH, THE TOWN, WATER AND SEWER, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN IN MY LIFE.
SO THAT'S AN OLD, OLD, WELL, OLD STRUCTURE I SAW, I'M SURPRISED IT SHOWS, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE OLD SURVEYS, BUT OKAY.
ARE YOU OTHER QUESTIONS, ARE YOU INTENDING TO KEEP THAT HOUSE? I MEAN, FOR, FOR YOUR FAMILY, YOU'RE GONNA BE LIVING IN THAT HOUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, UH, WE ALL HAVE, UH, GROWN AND MOVED AND RAISED FAMILIES IN, IN OTHER AREAS NEAR, I'M IN FAIRFAX.
I HAVE A BROTHER IN DEPLANE, VIRGINIA, AND THEN, UH, NEIL IS IN, UH, SILVER SPRING, MARYLAND.
BUT, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE BACK HERE IN THAT HOUSE.
I MEAN, WE, WE'RE GONNA MAIN, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE HOUSE EXISTING.
WE, WE DON'T WANT DEMO OF THE HOUSE.
AND, UM, STRUCTURALLY IT'S VERY SOUND, BUT IT, IT NEEDS A, A MAJOR RENOVATION.
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I MEAN, I'M LOOKING WAY DOWN THE ROAD.MAY, IT WOULD BE A PERFECT BEND BREAKFAST BEING ACROSS FROM RMA AND ALL THE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT HOUSE HAS A GREAT FUTURE.
I'M JUST NOT CERTAIN OF HOW THAT MIGHT EVOLVE.
UM, YOUR VIEW WILL CHANGE SUBSTANTIALLY.
WELL, THAT'S, WELL, I DO KNOW THAT THAT'S A FACT.
UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS NOT, NOT A, UH, NEW IDEA.
UM, MY, MY FATHER IN THE EIGHTIES CONSIDERED DOING THIS BACK THEN.
I'LL, I'LL SHARE ACTUALLY, IN 1960, WHEN MY FAMILY, WHEN MY FAMILY PURCHASED THIS, IT WAS ONE CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY, AND WE HAD THE BEST PLAYGROUND IN THE WORLD, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WOODS IN THE BACK, AND OF COURSE THERE WERE WOODS ALL AROUND AS VISCO AVENUE DIDN'T EXIST BACK THEN.
BUT, UH, IN MY, IN 74 WHEN THEY BUILT THERE WAS A RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE ROAD FOR ORCHARD STREET.
AND WHEN THEY CAME IN AND DID THAT, I WAS JUST DEVASTATED.
THEY, THEY WERE LIKE, HOW COULD THEY TAKE MY PLAYGROUND? THIS IS WRONG, YOU KNOW? BUT OF COURSE IT WAS, UH, RIGHT.
AND
BUT OTHER QUESTIONS JUST TO COMMENT.
I'M VERY GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE HOUSE IS STAYING.
OH, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THAT WAS NO, IT IS SO LONG AGO.
IT HAS GREAT, GREAT BONES, GREAT POTENTIAL.
THIS IS ALL CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S AROUND IT ALREADY, SO, CORRECT.
IT, IT IS, IT'S, IT IS, UH, ZONED CORRECTLY, BE NEW.
IT'LL ACTUALLY MAKE IT LOOK BETTER.
IT'S, UH, UH, ONE OF THE BETTER, UH, PROJECTS WE'VE SEEN COME ACROSS OUR DESK, UH, UTILIZING THE POTENTIAL OF THE PROPERTY, UM, WITH THE STREETS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE PLANS WERE VERY SOUND GOOD ENGINEERING ON THAT AND ON THE STORM WATER, WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.
UH, SO IF HE SAYS HE CAN GET IT IN TWO WEEKS, I IMAGINE THEY'LL GET IT IN TWO WEEKS.
YEAH, WE HAD VERY DO VERY FEW COMMENTS WITH THESE PLANS HERE FOR THE PRELIMINARY PART OF IT, SO, OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THERE'S A LOT TO TAKE IN, UH, FOR NEW MEMBERS FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAN AND, AND THESE MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE COMING UP.
SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THOSE BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE APA HANOCK, UH, PROJECT THAT YOU ALL, UH, HAD THE REZONING ON, IF THAT GETS APPROVED, FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN IF THEY DON'T GET APPROVED, IF THEY GO FORWARD WITH THAT, AGAIN, A PRELIMINARY PLAN WILL COME REGARDLESS IF IT GETS REZONED OR THEY DO IT BY, RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE JUST BACK TO THE SAME PROCESS.
AND WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE MET, I THINK EARLY JUNE ABOUT ANOTHER SUBDIVISION, 20 SOME LOTS.
SO THIS, THIS PROCESS WILL BE, YOU'LL GET ACCUSTOMED TO IT.
SO JUST YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO GET IT WHERE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA REVIEW AND WHAT YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ONCE YOU GET IN A LOT OF STUFF THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
WITH THIS, WHEN, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, AND I KNOW THAT WATER AND EVERYTHING IS, YOU KNOW, DONE BY A DIFFERENT GROUP.
UM, WERE THERE ANY INITIAL COMMENTS MADE ABOUT WATER QUALITY OR QUANTITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH, WITH THIS PROJECT? NO.
UH, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THESE MAJOR SUBDIVISION APPLICATIONS DON'T GO TO PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE DYNAMIC, LIKE WE JUST HAD WITH THE APPLICANT QUESTION AND ANSWER AND SO ON, UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT BECOMES MORE PROBLEMATIC IF, IF YOU HAVE A, UH, SOMETHING GOING TO PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO RESERVE THAT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I DON'T, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT, I'M JUST MAKING A DISTINCTION HERE OF THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION VERSUS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE EVEN MORE FREELY ASKED QUESTIONS WITH THESE.
IF YOU'RE NOT, OKAY, SO THESE ARE BY RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, YOU NOT, NOT HOWEVER YOU FEEL ABOUT DUPLEXES OR WHAT DOES THE BY RIGHT STIPULATE TOWNHOUSES OR THEY'RE ALLOWED OUR TWO, YOU KNOW, SO BASICALLY THINK OF R ONE ONE, SINGLE FAMILY, R TWO, DUPLEXES TWO, YOU KNOW, OR, OR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS.
I THINK IT'LL FIT REALLY NICELY AS WELL WITH WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON.
JUST TELL, TELL DESPERATELY NEED.
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OKAY.I GUESS WE'RE, WE DON'T NEED TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT OR THE ENGINEER AGAIN, WE'RE ALL SET.
THANK YOU FOR THE LOVELY PRINTED COPIES.
YES,
THE ONLY TIME YOU GET PRINTED COPIES, LOT OF PAPER.
UM, A LITTLE LIGHT READING FOR THE REST OF THE SUMMER,
WELL, AND THAT'S THE THING AFTER I DO THIS PRESENTATION, IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT ZONING AND YOU WANNA DIG IN? I CAN SEND YOU A TON OF LITERATURE, BUT I FIGURE WE'LL KIND OF DO A BRIEF INTRO AND THEN WE'LL GO.
SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR COMMENTS ON IT ITSELF RIGHT NOW? NO.
I WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE, I ORDINANCE GET, GET YOU GUYS CAUGHT UP AS TO HOW WE GOT HERE, AND THEN OUR HOMEWORK IS THEN TO WELL, I'LL GET THERE.
SO JUST INITIALLY I WANTED TO GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON ZONING.
SO, UM, WANT YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND ZONING IS A PROCESS OF CLASSIFYING LAND IN THE LOCALITY OF THE DISTRICT AND ESTABLISHING REGULATIONS REGARDING THOSE DISTRICTS.
SO WITH ZONING WE'RE LOOKING MOSTLY AT USES AND DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS.
UM, IF YOU GET INTO LIKE THINGS LIKE FORM BASED CODE, THEN YOU START GETTING INTO AESTHETICS.
BUT FOR OUR ORDINANCE, WE'RE LOOKING MOSTLY AT USES AND DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS.
UM, SO, AND BASICALLY WHAT GAVE RISE TO ZONING IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED TO ABATE NUISANCES.
SO, UM, IN THE YEARS BEFORE ZONING LAND USES WERE REGULATED NOT ONLY BY ACTION SEEKING COMMON LAW, UH, COMMON LAW, REMEDY OF NUISANCE, BUT ALSO THAT'S WHEN YOU STARTED SEEING BUILDING AND FIRE CODES STARTING TO POP UP.
UM, AND ALL THIS STARTED HAPPENING IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.
UM, SO WHAT WE USE OUR MECHANISM OF POWER HERE IS POLICE POWER.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS LIKE WE CAN CONTROL HOW PROPERTY IS USED.
SO ALL PROPERTY IN THIS COUNTRY IS HELD UNDER THE IMPLIED ALLEGATION THAT THE OWNER'S USE OF IT SHALL NOT BE INJUR TO THE COMMUNITY.
BASICALLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ONE PROPERTY OWNER DOES ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR RIGHTS COULD BE LIMITED TO AN EXTENT TO NOT CAUSE A NUISANCE.
UM, SO IN VIRGINIA, UH, 15.2, 2201 OR 2200 IS WHERE, SO IT STARTS.
BUT UM, BASICALLY THIS STARTED BACK IN LOS ANGELES IN 1909.
THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME ZONING WAS USED TO CREATE DISTRICTS.
IN 1916, NEW YORK PASSED THE FIRST COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND THEN IN 1926, THAT'S WHEN THE
SO EVERY TIME STAFF SITS THERE AND SAYS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF ZONING, YOU KNOW, HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE, THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S WHERE THIS IS DERIVED FROM.
AND THEN WITH VIRGINIA, WE ARE A DILL RULE STATE.
WE HAVE DI RULE STATE HOME RULE STATE.
BASICALLY IT SAYS THAT IT'S A RULE OF STRICT CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE ARE LIMITED, OUR LOCAL AUTHORITY IS LIMITED TO THE POWERS THAT ARE EXPRESSLY BRANCHED FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UM, NECESSARY OR FAIRLY IMPLIED OR FROM EXPRESSLY GRANTED POWERS OR ESSENTIAL INDISPENSABLE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
15.2 OF THE STATE CODE DOESN'T TELL US WHAT YOU DO.
UM, AND THEN WHERE PLANNING COMMISSION COMES IN, 15.2 2285 BASICALLY SAYS THAT THE DIRECTION OF THE GOVERNING BODY OR ITS OWN INITIATIVE PREPARES AND RECOMMENDS AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, INCLUDING MAPS, UM, SHOWING THE ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE LOCALITIES.
SO ZONING IS NOT ACTUALLY A REQUIREMENT IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IF WE HAVE IT, HAS TO.
OKAY, SO THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, THE, WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN HERE THREE YEARS AGO, THE INITIAL PURPOSE OR THE PLAN WAS WE WOULD CREATE THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, THEN WE WOULD REWRITE THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES TO BOTH END WITH IT.
SO THE CONFERENCE PLAN AS THE GUIDE AND THEN THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS HOW WE BRING THAT INTO FRUITION.
SO WE HAVE, IN OUR CONFERENCE PLAN, WE HAVE OUR APPLICATION MATRIX THAT KIND OF LAYS OUT OUR GOALS, OBJECTIVES, GIVES US TIMELINES AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT SO WE CAN START CHECKING BOXES.
THIS IS HOW WE, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS TO BEING ABLE TO CHECK THOSE BOXES.
UM, AND THE WAY WE DID THIS IS WE TOOK OUR INITIAL ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, CONSULTANTS AND STAFF, UM,
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AND WE REFORMATTED IT, WE REORGANIZED IT AND HOPEFULLY THIS CREATES A MORE NAVIGABLE DOCUMENT THAN THE ONE THAT WE HAVE.UM, SO THERE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES.
THERE'S NEW INTRODUCTORY LANGUAGE EXPLAINING THE TOWN'S AUTHORITY TO ENACT THE ZONING ORDINANCE, ITS PURPOSE, INTENT IN RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER LAWS.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH STATE CODE AND OUR CODE AND MADE SURE THAT OUR, THIS CODE IS NOW IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE CODE.
THEN THE SECOND THING THAT HAPPENED IS, UH, THE PURPOSE SECTION OF THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE.
WE KIND OF REMOVED THE, UH, 1970S LANGUAGE ABOUT LIGHT AND AIR AND STARTED INCORPORATING SOME OF THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, AND, AND THE WAY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS BROKEN DOWN, WE'VE GOT THESE FOUR BIG IDEAS YOU CAN KIND OF START TO SEE THOSE WOVEN IN LIGHTLY INTO THIS SECTION IS ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND THEN THERE'S A NEW SECTION WHICH KIND OF SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT EARLIER.
UH, SO DIVISION 2.3 OUTLINES TRANSITIONAL PROVISIONS.
THAT'S HOW DO WE TRANSITION FROM THE OLD ZONING ORDINANCE TO THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND BASICALLY WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT ANYTHING THAT IS IN EFFECT, UM, CURRENTLY OR UNTIL THIS IS PASSED BY TOWN OR ADOPTED BY TOWN COUNCIL IS STANDARD TO THE SUBJECT TO THE OLD ORDINANCE.
ANYTHING AFTER THAT DATE IS SUBJECT TO THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE A NEW SECTION CALLED ADMINISTRATION DECISION MAKING AND ENFORCEMENT.
AND THAT UH, OUTLINES THE ROLES OF STAFF POSITIONS IN ELECTED AND APPOINTED BODIES IN THE LAND USE.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE BEFORE.
UM, AND SO LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURE REVIEW, THAT DESCRIPTION SAID HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE SECTION FROM THE HISTORIC OVERLAY SECTIONS AND AND REFERENCES HAVE BEEN CHANGED ACCORDINGLY.
THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW WE REORGANIZED IT.
SO YOU HAD UM, SECTIONS ABOUT BZA KIND OF SCATTERED THROUGHOUT.
YOU HAD REFERENCES TO THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS.
EVERYTHING'S JUST BEEN COALESCED TOGETHER IF IT'S RETURN FOR.
IS THIS ALSO REDEFINING SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TOO, WHAT THEY ARE? YES.
SO IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, WE HAVE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THEN WE HAVE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
INSTEAD OF COMPLETELY CREATING BRAND NEW ZONES, WE AUGMENTED THE EXISTING ZONES TO COORDINATE THAT WAY IT WAS LESS DRASTIC OF A CHANGE.
I THOUGHT THAT WOULD HONESTLY BE AN EASIER PILL TO SWALLOW.
UM, SO THE MAJOR CHANGES, UM, IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, SO R ONE A WE ADDED SINGLE FAMILY, ATTACHED TWO FAMILY DWELLING AND TOWNHOUSES AND WE REDUCED THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE WIDTH GUARDS, LOT COVERS.
SO THESE ARE YOUR DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS, YOUR FLOOR AREA RATIOS, YOUR SETBACKS, UM, YOUR MINIMUM LOT SIZES.
AND THE SAME THING WAS DONE IN THE R TWO, ADDING THE TOWNHOUSES, UM, AND REMOVING THEM, UM, FROM BEING IN SPECIAL USE JUST TO BEING A A PRINCIPAL USES BY RATE USE.
AND THEN IN THE R THREE, THE MINIMUM, UM, LOT WIDTH, THE SETBACKS WERE REDUCED AND THE WAY THESE REDUCTIONS CAME ABOUT, IT WAS NOT ARBITRARY.
WHAT WE DID WAS WE DID A GIS ANALYSIS.
SO WE LOOKED AT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS AND TYPICALLY IN SOME OF THESE, UM, IT RANGES WHAT I THINK 7,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, BUT THEN WHEN WE DID THE ANALYSIS, WE STARTED SEEING THAT A LOT OF THE LOTS WERE SMALLER THAN THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE'VE ESSENTIALLY MADE, WE'VE ZONED LAND TO BE NON-DEVELOPMENT, LIKE IT'S NOT PERFORMING HOUSE ON IT OR WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR STANDARDS, WHICH GETS DEALT WITH IN ANOTHER SECTION FOR NON-CONFORMING LOTS.
AND IT JUST MAKES IT MORE COMPLICATED.
SO BY DOING THAT ANALYSIS, WE DECIDED THIS WAS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE IN TIME TO REDUCE SOME OF THOSE DOWNS AND MEET THE AVERAGE.
AND WHEN YOU REDUCE THAT AVERAGE, THAT LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT, YOU NEED TO REDUCE THE SETBACKS AS WELL SO THAT THINGS FIT.
AND THEN IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WE HAVE THESE MIXED USE COMMERCIAL CATEGORIES OF DIFFERENT DENSITIES.
THAT'S WHERE THESE CHANGES TO THE C ONE COMMUNITY DISTRICT AND THE C TWO BUSINESS DISTRICT.
WE'VE BEEN NOTICED THERE'S BEEN PATTERNED WHERE IN THESE C ONE DISTRICTS THEY'RE EITHER REQUESTING DUTY ZONED TO LIKE R THREE OR DOWN TO A RESIDENTIAL, THEY'RE ASKING FOR DOWN ZONINGS.
OR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ESPECIALLY USE PERMITS CONSISTENTLY COMING IN BECAUSE THEY WANNA DO MULTI-FAMILY.
WELL IF THE INTENTION IS TO MIX THE USES IN THESE DISTRICTS, WHY NOT JUST
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ALLOW THE RESIDENTIAL USES THERE? SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE DID.SO IT WILL PERMIT, UM, JUST COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
YOU CAN HAVE RESIDENTIAL, YOU CAN POTENTIALLY HAVE IT ON THE SAME LOT.
SO WE JUST KIND OF OPENED THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN AGAIN, UM, WORKED ON THE HEIGHT, UH, THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS MADE, MADE CHANGES TO THOSE.
AND THE C TWO BUSINESS DISTRICT OUT OF TOWNHOUSES, MULTIFAMILY WELLINGS IS PERMITTED BY PRINCIPAL.
UM, USES, SO THOSE ARE YOUR BY RIGHT USES.
WE ALSO AMENDED RETAIL STORES TO EXCLUDE TOBACCO AND ELECTRONIC VAPOR PRODUCTS.
SO THAT IS THE FIRST STEP TO KIND OF REGULATING SOME OF THE VAPE STORES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S UNDER RETAIL BUY, RIGHT? THIS IS JUST A VERY SIMPLE WAY TO REGULATE THAT AND WE CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THERE, BUT WE CAN DIG INTO THAT WHEN IT'S TIME AND IT'S IDEAL GARAGES AND SALES LOTS, THEY ARE BY RIGHT? THOSE HAVE ACTUALLY WE'RE MOVING THOSE TO SPECIAL USE PERMITS THAT WOULD REQUIRE LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL FROM TOWN COUNCIL.
SO THIS BODY WOULD NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT YES, WE NEED ANOTHER AUTOMOBILE SALES LOT OR SERVICESHIP.
UM, AND THEN WE LOWERED THE MINIMUM DISTRICT SIZE FROM 10 ACRES DOWN TO FIVE ACRES JUST PER DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT.
AND THEN WE SAW ONE OF THE BIG THINGS, UH, WAS THAT THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SPECIAL PERMIT WERE USED INTERCHANGEABLY.
ALL OF THAT HAS JUST BECOME SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR CLARITY.
AND THEN I'M GONNA PULL UP THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE HERE AND TAKE YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE MORE IMPORTANT THERE.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN SEE THE NOTES FROM THE CONSULTANT, HER LETTER OR HER LETTER TO YOU.
SO THAT LETTER IS BASICALLY WHAT I JUST READ HERE.
IT REALLY OUTLINES THE MAJOR CHANGES.
THERE ARE NOTES AND THESE NOTES KIND OF JUST HELP GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE DOCUMENT.
NEW LANGUAGE IN THIS ORDINANCE, COMPLETELY NEW LANGUAGE IS IN BLACK LIBRE.
EXISTING LANGUAGE FROM OUR OLD ORDINANCE IS IN TIMES NEW ROMAN AND IN ITS BLUE YOU SHOULD HAVE THE COLOR CODED COPY.
SO ANYTHING IN BLUE TIMES NEW ROMAN, THAT'S THE EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCE, CHAPTER 1 75.
AND THEN LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADAPTED OR BORROWED FROM OTHER ORDINANCES.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN PIECED TOGETHER IN THIS NEW ORDINANCE.
AND THEN WHAT WE ALSO HAVE ARE WE ARE THE REFERENCES TO FROM 1 75 INTO THE NEW ONES.
YOU CAN SEE HOW IT WENT FROM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 1 75, YOU KNOW, 4, 7, 8 B, WHATEVER.
AND NOW THEY'RE IN ARTICLES, DIVISIONS, AND IT'S JUST OUTLINED DIFFERENTLY.
THESE NOTES WILL GUIDE YOU THROUGH IT.
AND AT THIS POINT, YOUR JOB FOR THE NEXT MEETING IS THAT TO START ACTUALLY DIGGING INTO THIS TEXT, READING IT WITH THE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ON THAT, THAT HAT OF A HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
QUESTIONS, EMAIL STAFF, MAKE SURE YOU EMAIL MYSELF AND CONNIE AND THAT WAY WE CAN START COMPILING QUESTIONS TO ANSWER THE NEXT.
YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THIS? WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT SOME POINT.
UM, YOU ALL, I NEED TO, HOW LONG WE GOT OUR HOMEWORK? WHEN DOES THE HOMEWORK DUE? YEAH, WELL FOR THE NEXT MEETING YOU NEED TO START READING AND I'M, THERE'S SOME, YOU COULD, YOU HAVE SOME DISCUSSION HERE.
IF YOU AS OR COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FEW CHAPTERS AT A TIME, WE CAN DO THAT.
FOR THE NEXT MEETING, YOU'D LIKE TO READ THE FIRST ARTICLE OR AT THE NEXT PUBLIC MEETING, WE NEED TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE DOING WORK SESSIONS UNTIL THIS BODY HAS READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT.
SO NOTHING'S GONNA BE PUBLIC MEETING.
AND THEN WHEN IT'S READY WE'LL TAKE IT TO PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION IS GONNA BE, THAT'S NOT THE, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE POINT AT WHICH IT'S GONNA GET SENT TO COUNCIL BECAUSE IF THERE IS SIGNIFICANT INPUT
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FROM THE PUBLIC, IT'S GONNA NEED TO COME BACK TO ADDITIONAL WORK SESSIONS TO HASH OUT ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS AND DETAILS AND, AND WHAT THIS BOARD FEELS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, WHAT'S RELEVANT, WHAT'S IRRELEVANT.AND WE'LL NEED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
BUT THE FIRST STEP IS THIS BODY GETTING COMFORTABLE WITH THIS DOCUMENT AND, UM, JUST, JUST UNDERSTANDING HOW IT'S LAID OUT AND WHAT'S IN IT.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT AND I JUST RANDOMLY CAME TO PAGE 1 0 6 AND SIGNS.
IT SETS FORTH AN ARTICLE 10 IS IN GREEN AND LATER STOPPING CENTERS IN DIVISION 9.5 AND THERE IN GREEN.
WHERE DO I GO TO LOOK AT ARTICLE 10 AND SEE HOW THAT FITS IN THE REST OF OUR JUST RANDOMLY PICKED THIS PAGE THAT SAYS ARTICLE 10.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THE SECTION OF OUR NEW ORDINANCE, THE GREEN.
SO RIGHT NOW THE SIGNS ARE LIKE WHAT? 1 0 6, CORRECT.
SO IT'LL BE FIND ARTICLE 10 HERE.
UM, THAT THE LETTER IN THE WORD DOCUMENT THAT YOU'VE BEEN SENT, THAT WINDOW THAT POPS UP IS THE OUTLINE AND YOU CAN JUST CLICK AND YOU CAN, IT'LL JUST RAPIDLY GO TO THAT PARTICULAR SECTION.
BUT UNTIL WE TAKE THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING THESE REFERENCES, UNTIL WE ADOPT THIS AS OUR, OUR ORDINANCE, THESE REFERENCES ARE GONNA BE KEPT IN THERE.
DO I NEED TO SEND THEM THE WORD VERSUS PDF? 'CAUSE WHAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW IS PDF D YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
LET SEND THEM A WORD DOCUMENT.
I'LL SEND THAT OUT TO, AND THAT MAY BE, I THINK THE FILE'S LARGER AS A WORD.
THEY NEED TO JUST ACCESS IT IN BOX.
YEAH, IF IT'S TOO LARGE, I'LL, I'LL PUT IT IN BOX AND SEND YOU THE LINK BOXES.
IS THAT SOMETHING? YEAH, SO DO I ACTUALLY, I DON'T HAVE A LICENSE.
I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
MEGAN, IF YOU GIVE ME YOUR BILL, I'LL WRITE DOWN MR. HUTCHINS NAME.
I, I EMAILED HIM BEFORE AND I JUST WAS, UH, WAITING.
UM, HONESTLY IT'S, I DON'T WANNA TROUBLE PEOPLE GOING LIKE GETTING LICENSING WHEN I HAVE TO BE.
I WOULD HAVE TO BE REAPPOINTED IN AUGUST AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HAPPENING.
WELL I'LL JUST LET THAT SIT UNTIL, WELL, HOW ABOUT I TRY TO GET HIM, I'LL SEE HIS AVAILABILITY FOR THE SEPTEMBER WORK SESSION.
I WON'T MAKE PROMISES, BUT I WILL SEE IF HE IS AVAILABLE.
WHO, WHO IS ABLE TO USE THEIR TOWN EMAIL RIGHT NOW? SO EVERYBODY BUT GARY.
AND I'LL ALSO SEND OUT A NEW, AN UPDATED PC CONTACT LIST TO YOU ALL.
UM, I'LL LEAVE GARY'S PERSONAL EMAIL ON THERE RIGHT NOW JUST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THE TOWN TO WORK.
SO, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE'S WILL JUST LIST THE TOWN.
I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH ME IS, IS FROM I WAS SET UP AS COUNCIL.
COUNCIL, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
QUESTIONS ON THE HOMEWORK, SPENDING A LOT OF TIME THROUGH FIRST PASS AND THEN FROM WHAT YOU SENT OUT, I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS WHERE I'LL YOU JUST SAY YOU WANT THOSE SENT TO YOU IN WRITING AND THAT WAY WHEN THAT WAY WE CAN ADDRESS ALL THE COMMENTS IN ONE.
AND I, AND I, AGAIN, IT WAS MY FIRST PASS BECAUSE OF THE TIME WE HAD.
UM, JUST ONE QUICK ONE AS FAR AS, UH, THERE'S TABLES AND STUFF THAT AREN'T POPULATED, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
IS THAT OKAY? AND WE'LL ALSO, ONCE WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THIS, WHAT I'M STILL WORKING ON WITH OUR CONSULTANT IS WE'RE TRYING TO ADD DEFINITIONS FOR USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT DEFINED IN THESE ORDERS ARE HOURS,
THAT'S KIND OF AN ONGOING THING, IS TRYING TO PLUG THOSE IN.
THAT WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU AS WELL.
IS, IS CHECKING THESE DEFINITIONS, MAKING SURE THAT THEY FIT
THEY ARE, BUT THERE ARE DEFINITIONS THAT THERE ARE USES THAT WE HAVE LISTED IN HERE THAT ARE NOT DEFINED.
SO THEN THAT OPENS THE DOOR UP.
IT JUST, IT CREATES GRAY AREA.
THAT'S THE BASIS OF EVERYTHING.
MAKING ANY KIND OF DETERMINATION.
THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE SONY ORDINANCE.
AND THE WAY EACH SECTION IS LAID OUT, THE USES
UH, THOSE ARE THE USES THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE IN THAT ZONE, BUT MAY NEED SOME SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE EXTRA APPROVAL PROCESS AND REVIEW COMES IN.
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OUT YOUR DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS AFTER THAT.SO THAT'S THE GENERAL PROCESS OR LAYOUT OF EACH SECTION.
THIS WOULD BE GREAT TO END THIS ALL.
IT, THERE'S, THERE'S A, GOING FROM GENERAL TO SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE GENERAL USE IS SORT LIKE HOW EVEN THE, THE COMP PLAN IS SET UP, RIGHT? YOU GO TO THE GENERAL SPECIFIC AND JUST, IT MAKES YOU REALLY CLEAR AND STEP BY STEP.
THIS REPRESENTS YEARS OF WORK, YEARS OF WORK HERE TO WORK LONG, A LONG, ALL NEEDED.
ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? UH, MOTION TO ADUR OBJECTIONS I SEND YOU, HOLD ON.